From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 13:34:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12501; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00302; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access2.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07785; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dipaula@localhost) by access2.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA28151; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:33:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: Baltimore Cycles mailing list , DC Cycles mailing list Subject: painting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII okay... are there any shops (paint shops, auto body shops, etc.) in the greater baltimore-washington metropolitan area that will do a high-quality paint job on a motorcycle? (full fairings, a honda cbr). no repairs are needed, i would remove/install the parts myself, etc.; i'm just trying to determine what it would cost to change the appearence of my bike, which currently looks like a bad acid trip flashback. by high-quality, i mean stripping the old tank, multiple layers of smooth color, and a good thick hard clearcoat, such that (with normal washing and waxing) i can count on to be just as pretty 10 years from now with no cracking, fading, etc. -D- Lela is healthy and the baby is due June 10th. My 1988 Mazda MX-6 is for sale, email me if interested. My 1989 Honda CB-1 (CB400F) is for sale, email me if interested, or read my CB-1 description From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:43:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15179; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01942; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16744; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA21972 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0); Thu, 1 May 1997 14:42:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199705011842.AA21972@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 1 May 1997 14:42:09 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 1 May 1997 14:42:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:39:21 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: painting To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11hUJL00002Yh ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME Riders Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church (703 241-0733) recommended the paint/body shop next door. There's a guy there that does motorcycles off hours (custom painting etc), for a very reasonable price. We took my Magna and my wifes Shadows gas tanks over there to get them repainted and the job he did was outstanding. The paint job was *much* better than the factory job from Honda and he was able to have it done within two weeks. He charged us $100 per tank and it included stripping the tank down to bare metal, primer, filled in several small dings and several coats of paint and topped it off with clearcoat. It's been two years now and the tanks both look brand new. The day we went over there, he had a Sportster that he just repainted and the job was really something..don't know how much he charged for it but I think it was less that $500 for the entire bike and the job was truly professional. (He's the master painter there at the shop). You might want to give Riders a call and see if that guy is still doing that kind of work. You'll need to get whatever decals though ant (gag) Coleman down the street which has a good supply of them (albeit at outragous prices). Riders has *some* but most of them are aftermarket so if you want factory decals you'll need to get them from a dealer. cheers, -aki > okay... > > are there any shops (paint shops, auto body shops, etc.) in the greater > baltimore-washington metropolitan area that will do a high-quality paint > job on a motorcycle? (full fairings, a honda cbr). no repairs are needed, > i would remove/install the parts myself, etc.; i'm just trying to determine > what it would cost to change the appearence of my bike, which currently > looks like a bad acid trip flashback. > > by high-quality, i mean stripping the old tank, multiple layers of smooth > color, and a good thick hard clearcoat, such that (with normal washing and > waxing) i can count on to be just as pretty 10 years from now with no > cracking, fading, etc. > > -D- > > Lela is healthy and the baby is due June 10th. > My 1988 Mazda MX-6 is for sale, email me if interested. > My 1989 Honda CB-1 (CB400F) is for sale, email me if interested, or read my > CB-1 description > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:59:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26244; Fri, 2 May 1997 09:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15102; Fri, 2 May 1997 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16071; Fri, 2 May 1997 09:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC56DF.19309000@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 May 1997 09:56:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Nice day, did you ride? Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:56:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 18 TEXT What a beautiful morning for a ride... Just curious, now that it's nicer outside, how many folks on this list ride their scoots to work (mostly) everyday in and around the DC area? If so, do you take advantage of any HOV lanes during your commute? For me, I live in Dale City, and ride the 13.5 miles to Manassas along the nice new Prince William Parkway every chance I get. I work in a casual dress atmosphere, so I don't have to put up with the riding clothes/ shirt-and-tie mess anymore! No HOV lanes along the way, but I do get to park in a special motorcycles-only parking spot up in front of the building at work. Well, back to work. I'm looking forward to the ride home. It should only take me a couple of hours! ;-) Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 10:27:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26552; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15414; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunrise.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17787; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuttle.northgrum.com (shuttle.northgrum.com [155.104.244.11]) by sunrise.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA23745 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.essd.northgrum.com (mail1.essd.northgrum.com [155.104.245.99]) by shuttle.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA25377 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgmd002.md.essd.northgrum.com (xcgmd002.md.essd.northgrum.com [155.104.117.59]) by mail1.essd.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA28264 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705021427.KAA28264@mail1.essd.northgrum.com> Received: by xcgmd002.md.essd.northgrum.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:26:39 -0400 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Nice day, did you ride? Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:27:58 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC56E3.52232090" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC56E3.52232090 Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX[SMTP:dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 9:56 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Nice day, did you ride? > > What a beautiful morning for a ride... > OOOOOH Yeah! > Just curious, now that it's nicer outside, how many folks on this list > ride > their scoots to work (mostly) everyday in and around the DC area? If > so, do you take advantage of any HOV lanes during your commute? > I ride to work every chance I get. Haven't driven the cage since Monday as a matter of fact. Average about 2 to 3 trips a week to work, year round. Nope, don't take the HOV lanes, since I am against traffic all the way. > For me, I live in Dale City, and ride the 13.5 miles to Manassas along > the nice new Prince William Parkway every chance I get. > I live in Alexandria and work in Herndon.... 29 miles each way to the office. Average about 55 mph including traffic. > I work in a > casual dress atmosphere, so I don't have to put up with the riding > clothes/ > shirt-and-tie mess anymore! > Same here, casual dress. It's great for the bike commute. > No HOV lanes along the way, but I do get > to park in a special motorcycles-only parking spot up in front of the > building at work. > We have more motorcycle parking than motorcycles :-) Nice change from my last job, that had no MC parking. > Well, back to work. I'm looking forward to the ride home. It should > only > take me a couple of hours! ;-) > > Horkster > Enjoy! chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > Christopher A. 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In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-X-Sender: morris@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yep, I ride whenever it's not raining or there's no chance of frozen water. Unfortunately in my 2 mile, :-), commute I do not encounter HOV lanes. However, we are currently waging a war with some of the powers that be in my office over MC's should be allowed to park. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX, http://www.glue.umd.edu/~morris/ MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:19:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27170; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16096; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21363; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA17727; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:19:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA29810; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA24655; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:19:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: CC: Subject: Re: Nice day, did you ride? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970502151907.AAA24655@localHost> Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Nice day, did you ride? Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:56:24 -0400 Encoding: 18 TEXT >What a beautiful morning for a ride... Dont'cha wish everyday were this nice! >Just curious, now that it's nicer outside, how many folks on this list ride >their scoots to work (mostly) everyday in and around the DC area? If so, >do you take advantage of any HOV lanes during your commute? I live and ride from W. Springfield everyday. If it is raining bad in the morn., I'll drive. Re: no good rainsuit. However, just bought a Darien, and plan to ride everyday. I use the HOV right off of the Springfield/Franconia Pkwy.. It is great!!! >For me, I live in Dale City, and ride the 13.5 miles to Manassas along Exactly 15 m. to Pentagon City. Looking over a used ST1100 tonight, and I am so excited!!! Ride Safe! Todd '92 NiteHawk CB750.....Ride it every day! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:25:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27235; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16188; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mm1 by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21766; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mdow.lccinc.com ([204.243.124.2]) by mm1.sprynet.com with SMTP id <148469-4113>; Fri, 2 May 1997 08:24:23 -0700 Message-ID: <336A077B.7184@travelin.com> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:25:47 -0400 From: "Michael \"Sash\" Dow" Reply-To: mdow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice day, did you ride? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morris Berman wrote: [snip] However, we are currently waging a war with some of the powers > that be in my office over MC's should be allowed to park. > > -Mb I tried this before my office moved in February. I sent a mail to the facility administrator asking her if provisions had been set for MC parking. She said the thought hadn't even occurred to anyone in their group. To my surprise a week later, a global mail went out asking riders to respond in order to get a head count. Unfortunately, that is the last we have heard, despite having close to a dozen riders. I guess MC parking just doesn't rank high enough in priorities for the cage-bound. -Sash From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:46:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28240; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17194; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scdh-99.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27232; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by scdh-99.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02320 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:46:02 -0400 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199705021646.MAA02320@scdh-99.umd.edu> Subject: STOLEN MC SPAM (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded from a friend not on dc-cycles- feel free to distribute all over the place. > Alan Lapp writes: > X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > Reply-To: HawkGT List > Sender: HawkGT List > From: Alan Lapp > Subject: STOLEN MC SPAM > To: HAWKGT-L@XXXXXX > > Last night (5/2/97) Between the hours of 12:30 am and 9:30 am, My 1994 > Honda VFR750 was stolen from my home in Wheaton, Maryland. The bike > has the following distinguishing features: missing the lower fairings, > custom paint (silver main color with a navy blue strip on the top) > Supertrapp exhaust (sounds just like a 5 liter Mustang). The upper > fairing is held together with lots of duct tape around the > turnsignals. > > > I want this bike back. Any sitings or leads should be reported *first* > to the police, then to me. My home phone is 301-933-6203, and my pager > is 202-668-5001. If you use the pager, please include your area code > with your phone number followed by *(star) 750 so that I will respond > immediately. If your lead results in recovery of this MC, I will wine > and dine you a fine restaurant of your choice in the DC area. > > > Vehicle > > VFR750 > > > Vehicle Tag No. > > 009D58 > > > VIN > > JH2RC3606RM401122 > > > Police Phone Number > > 301-279-8000 > > > Case Number > > W97104369 > > > Officer in charge > > PTRA1 Urcia > > Officers ID No. > > 9U19 > > Al > > level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:58:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28411; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17317; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.ttc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28179; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.ttc.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id MAA21011; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ttc.com(157.234.7.6) by gatekeeper.ttc.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020904; Fri, 2 May 97 12:57:21 -0400 Received: from ccmail.ttc.com (ccmail.ttc.com [157.234.7.7]) by relay.ttc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04440; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by ccmail.ttc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA862603085; Fri, 02 May 97 11:18:30 EST Date: Fri, 02 May 97 11:18:30 EST From: "Steve Bradford" Message-Id: <9704028626.AA862603085@ccmail.ttc.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Subject: Re: Nice day, did you ride? I dont get to ride to work nearly as often as I'd like :( . I car pool with my wife and daughter (our commute is 45 miles one way by car...60 by bike and for various reasons my wife feels more comfortable when we ride together). I do however try to ride in at least once a week. Yeah, I ride the HOV lanes at times, but only when I have to. I've had too many occasions where a cage got tired of sitting in a backup and decided to dart out into the HOV lane. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Nice day, did you ride? Author: at INTERNET Date: 5/2/97 10:10 AM What a beautiful morning for a ride... Just curious, now that it's nicer outside, how many folks on this list ride their scoots to work (mostly) everyday in and around the DC area? If so, do you take advantage of any HOV lanes during your commute? For me, I live in Dale City, and ride the 13.5 miles to Manassas along the nice new Prince William Parkway every chance I get. I work in a casual dress atmosphere, so I don't have to put up with the riding clothes/ shirt-and-tie mess anymore! No HOV lanes along the way, but I do get to park in a special motorcycles-only parking spot up in front of the building at work. Well, back to work. I'm looking forward to the ride home. It should only take me a couple of hours! ;-) Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 13:27:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28712; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17674; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00141; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:27:38 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA02823 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970502132704_-1768270286@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Did you ride? NO. I'm an idiot. Although my wife hates it when I ride on the Beltway (from Howard County to Tysons). Oh well. Have a great weekend. JB Haller 1990 Suzuki VX-800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 13:51:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28997; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17987; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01811; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA24878 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA05728 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:50:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [166.32.84.50] by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA23459 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:50:30 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Nice day, did you ride? Date: Fri, 02 May 97 13:46:03 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" X-Mailer: messageMCI v3.3 Message-ID: <19970502175030.AAA23459@[166.32.84.50]> -- [ From: Linda J. Tanner * EMC.Ver #3.3 ] -- I ride every day I can. The car gets started up once a week whether it needs it or not to do grocery shopping. HOV is heaven. I live in Springfield and work near the Pentagon. 16.6 Miles from parking space to parking space. 20 minutes on a good day. I definitely would not be comfortable having to ride in the regular 395 lanes. The fact that the HOV is completely separate is very important. I've ridden 66 HOV and I didn't like having the non-HOV so close. I kept expecting them to pop in any time. No special motorcycle parking. I pay for a regular parking space (cage) in the underground parking lot in my building. We went business casual last year. That's an improvement over suits but still not riding clothes, so I still have to carry stuff back and forth and duck into the phone booth (or something) to convert from biker to business person. Ridin' every day and smilin' LindaT. 95 F3 -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Friday, 02-May-97 08:56 AM > > From: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX \ Internet: (dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX \ Internet: (dc-cycles@XXXXXX) > > Subject: Nice day, did you ride? > > What a beautiful morning for a ride... > > Just curious, now that it's nicer outside, how many folks on this list ride > their scoots to work (mostly) everyday in and around the DC area? If so, do > you take advantage of any HOV lanes during your commute? > > For me, I live in Dale City, and ride the 13.5 miles to Manassas along > the nice new Prince William Parkway every chance I get. I work in a > casual dress atmosphere, so I don't have to put up with the riding clothes/ > shirt-and-tie mess anymore! No HOV lanes along the way, but I do get > to park in a special motorcycles-only parking spot up in front of the > building at work. > > Well, back to work. I'm looking forward to the ride home. It should only > take me a couple of hours! ;-) > > Horkster > > -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:06:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29623; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18213; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darden.gbus.Virginia.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03811; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by darden.gbus.Virginia.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC5701.701F6220@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kitchell, Mark" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'FakeTree@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Did you ride? Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:02:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT JB is definitely an idiot. I can attest to that! Mark (that man that corrupted JB and made him buy a bike). Kaw ZL600 >---------- >From: FakeTree@XXXXXX[SMTP:FakeTree@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 1:27 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Did you ride? > >NO. I'm an idiot. >Although my wife hates it when I ride on the Beltway (from Howard County to >Tysons). Oh well. Have a great weekend. >JB Haller >1990 Suzuki VX-800 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:11:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29780; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18346; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailstorm.dot.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04313; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msc-uscg-mil.dot.gov ([152.120.121.2]) by mailstorm.dot.gov (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02998 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970502141522.36774204@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Nice day, did you ride? I finally got to resume riding to work this morning!! My tires finally arrived, and I ended up putting the rims back on at 11 last night (thanks to an unprepared Naval Architect and a delayed inclining experiment in Philly yesterday). Riding in to work was the first outing on them, but you can bet I'm gonna miss a turn or two on the way home. I ride in on 66 from the Tyson's area every day (barring frozen stuff on the ground) into the DOT bldg in SW DC. It's all HOV from there, and by going around the city rather than through (via 110) it takes me about 20 minutes. We have indoor parking with m/c near the entrance. Not too shabby for $6/month! See ya'll out there this weekend. I plan on thoroughly abuzing my new Avon Azaro's all weekend :) Collin (202) 366-0067 (703) 356-4279 check out the ride sheet page additions...and send me more!!! http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:26:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00423; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18957; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06295; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.0) for ; id OAA403.02; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:25:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970502142516.00960a60@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:25:16 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Nice day, did you ride? In-Reply-To: <19970502175030.AAA23459@[166.32.84.50]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > The fact that >the HOV is completely separate is very important. I've ridden 66 HOV and I >didn't like having the non-HOV so close. I kept expecting them to pop in any >time. You're the second one to mention how nice it is having separate HOV lanes (not like I-66 outside the Beltway). As one who rode those I-66 HOV lanes for 8 months recently, I sure agree that it's a concern, but what I did was: 1. Stay to the left of the lane, to give plenty of space cushion. 2. Be visible. Headlight on at all times. 3. Keep speed down so I can react. It was nice to have a full shoulder (most of the time) rather than being next to concrete barriers. 4. Sometimes I'd tuck in behind an HOV car, staying close enough for them to be a blocker for me, but not so close that I was tailgating. I had more trouble with HOV cars behind me wanting to drive at unsafe speeds and tailgating me, than I had trouble with cars pulling out in front of me. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:32:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00656; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19195; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07081; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.0) for ; id OAA403.42; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:31:36 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970502143202.00966210@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:32:02 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Nice day, did you ride? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970502141522.36774204@mail.geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:10 PM 5/2/97 -0400, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >I ride in on 66 from the Tyson's area every day (barring frozen stuff on the >ground) into the DOT bldg in SW DC. It's all HOV from there, and by going >around the city rather than through (via 110) it takes me about 20 minutes. >We have indoor parking with m/c near the entrance. Not too shabby for $6/month! I think I saw you this morning. Southbound on 110, on a GSXR, about 6:50am? I wear a red Aerostich, white helmet, and an old silver Honda with black luggage. I park behind the FAA building. Can contractors park under the DOT building? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 18:22:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04631; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23483; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24774; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.16 (pix000010.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.22]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA18409 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:19:44 -0400 Message-ID: <336A3024.6D@digex.net> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 18:19:38 +0000 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice day, did you ride? References: <19970502175030.AAA23459@[166.32.84.50]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Tanner wrote: > HOV is heaven. I live in Springfield and work near the Pentagon. > 16.6 Miles from parking space to parking space. I live in Springfield and work in Oakton, so I have a nice, comfortable ride up the Fairfax Parkway. Until 2 months ago, I used to work in Beltsville, MD, which meant Beltway to 295N. I couldn't take advantage of the HOV lanes. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet Sales Engineer One DIGEX Plaza mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 12:46:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06067; Sun, 4 May 1997 12:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10956; Sun, 4 May 1997 12:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27826; Sun, 4 May 1997 12:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (man-as2s36.erols.com [207.172.56.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18591 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 12:45:21 -0400 Message-ID: <336C8633.4270@erols.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 05:50:59 -0700 From: "David & Alane O'Neill" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: '93 ZX-11D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Burgandy, essentially the same bike and color as the '96 (everybody asks me if it's a '96). The ride on this bike is incredible. Before the suspension updates, the ride was harsh and punishing. Now the ride is really smooth, and it really is confidence inspiring. Excellent Condition 12.8K miles New (500 miles) Metzler MEZ1/2 tires Race Tech remote resevoir rear shock kit Race Tech Gold Emulators and .95 Kg front fork springs Stainless braided front brake lines w/EBC Green stuff pads Corbin Gunfighter and Lady Saddle Scorpio alarm with pager Factory manual $7,400 Dave 703-461-6789 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 19:56:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16162; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15830; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06696; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as20s30.erols.com [207.172.121.114]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25166 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:53:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970504184734.006be4dc@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 18:47:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Avon Azaro's..first impressions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, Saturday I managed to sneak out of the house for a nice ride to break in the new tires. At first I was taking it real easy to sluff of that slick outer layer all new tires seem to have, but I was really surprised at how quickly they became comfortable feeling. Compared to my old Dunlop Sportmax 2's, these tires don't have that pinnacled feeling. What I mean is, the Dunnies feel like you're riding on a knife edge while upright, and then really fall into turns with minimal effort. The Avon's require a hair more input going into turns. They track nicely until you get a nice steep lean angle, then i encountered a resistance point that required a little work to get past. However, in only one ride, I've been able to take these tires down pretty deep with only two slides....One due to a little overthrottel on my part , the other simply from the corner speed. Looking at the tread after the ride, it is evident that they can be pushed to even steeper lean angles (I still had about an eighth inch or so that hadn't even been touched yet). It is also evident, that the rear is not going to last all that long. It peels off pretty good when its heated up. >From the marketing, I expected a tire designed to last a bit longer than the Dunlop's, but after seeing the wear on it already, I doubt that is the case. Also, according to Jay at Crossroad's Cycle, he has heard that they wear pretty fast too. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'll post a follow up somewhere around the 1000 mile mark or so. Right now they've only seen about 150 miles. Oh, did I mention that the rear tread pattern is real nifty looking:) Similar to Pirelli Dragons, but more like S shaped treads. The front is so so looking. Collin ____________________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (and introducing the newest addition: Connor Timick) (703) 356-4279 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 20:37:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17335; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16258; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11081; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as20s30.erols.com [207.172.121.114]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24301; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:42:01 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970504223422.006a1128@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 22:34:22 -0400 To: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, 103126.2533@XXXXXX, 74537.1737@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, CPMJ69A@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, DavidW@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, ethyberg@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, GRALNGAA@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, JBerkin@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, Joe_Snider@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, kbass@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, Loupil@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, Michael_Dow@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, names@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, nicole@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, walt@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Avon Azaro's..first impressions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, Saturday I managed to sneak out of the house for a nice ride to break in the new tires. At first I was taking it real easy to sluff of that slick outer layer all new tires seem to have, but I was really surprised at how quickly they became comfortable feeling. Compared to my old Dunlop Sportmax 2's, these tires don't have that pinnacled feeling. What I mean is, the Dunnies feel like you're riding on a knife edge while upright, and then really fall into turns with minimal effort. The Avon's require a hair more input going into turns. They track nicely until you get a nice steep lean angle, then i encountered a resistance point that required a little work to get past. However, in only one ride, I've been able to take these tires down pretty deep with only two slides....One due to a little overthrottel on my part , the other simply from the corner speed. Looking at the tread after the ride, it is evident that they can be pushed to even steeper lean angles (I still had about an eighth inch or so that hadn't even been touched yet). It is also evident, that the rear is not going to last all that long. It peels off pretty good when its heated up. >From the marketing, I expected a tire designed to last a bit longer than the Dunlop's, but after seeing the wear on it already, I doubt that is the case. Also, according to Jay at Crossroad's Cycle, he has heard that they wear pretty fast too. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'll post a follow up somewhere around the 1000 mile mark or so. Right now they've only seen about 150 miles. Oh, did I mention that the rear tread pattern is real nifty looking:) Similar to Pirelli Dragons, but more like S shaped treads. The front is so so looking. Collin ____________________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (and introducing the newest addition: Connor Timick) (703) 356-4279 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 20:37:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17340; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16257; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11080; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as20s30.erols.com [207.172.121.114]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24177; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:40:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970504183422.006a1128@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 18:34:22 -0400 To: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, 103126.2533@XXXXXX, 74537.1737@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, CPMJ69A@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, DavidW@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, ethyberg@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, GRALNGAA@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, JBerkin@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, Joe_Snider@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, kbass@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, Loupil@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, Michael_Dow@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, names@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, nicole@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, walt@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Avon Azaro's..first impressions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, Saturday I managed to sneak out of the house for a nice ride to break in the new tires. At first I was taking it real easy to sluff of that slick outer layer all new tires seem to have, but I was really surprised at how quickly they became comfortable feeling. Compared to my old Dunlop Sportmax 2's, these tires don't have that pinnacled feeling. What I mean is, the Dunnies feel like you're riding on a knife edge while upright, and then really fall into turns with minimal effort. The Avon's require a hair more input going into turns. They track nicely until you get a nice steep lean angle, then i encountered a resistance point that required a little work to get past. However, in only one ride, I've been able to take these tires down pretty deep with only two slides....One due to a little overthrottel on my part , the other simply from the corner speed. Looking at the tread after the ride, it is evident that they can be pushed to even steeper lean angles (I still had about an eighth inch or so that hadn't even been touched yet). It is also evident, that the rear is not going to last all that long. It peels off pretty good when its heated up. >From the marketing, I expected a tire designed to last a bit longer than the Dunlop's, but after seeing the wear on it already, I doubt that is the case. Also, according to Jay at Crossroad's Cycle, he has heard that they wear pretty fast too. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'll post a follow up somewhere around the 1000 mile mark or so. Right now they've only seen about 150 miles. Oh, did I mention that the rear tread pattern is real nifty looking:) Similar to Pirelli Dragons, but more like S shaped treads. The front is so so looking. Collin ____________________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (and introducing the newest addition: Connor Timick) (703) 356-4279 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 20:39:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17351; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16369; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11223; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as20s30.erols.com [207.172.121.114]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25092; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:52:58 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970504184639.006be4dc@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 18:46:39 -0400 To: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, 103126.2533@XXXXXX, 74537.1737@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, CPMJ69A@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, DavidW@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, ethyberg@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, GRALNGAA@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, JBerkin@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, Joe_Snider@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, kbass@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, Loupil@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, Michael_Dow@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, names@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, nicole@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, walt@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Avon Azaro's..first impressions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, Saturday I managed to sneak out of the house for a nice ride to break in the new tires. At first I was taking it real easy to sluff of that slick outer layer all new tires seem to have, but I was really surprised at how quickly they became comfortable feeling. Compared to my old Dunlop Sportmax 2's, these tires don't have that pinnacled feeling. What I mean is, the Dunnies feel like you're riding on a knife edge while upright, and then really fall into turns with minimal effort. The Avon's require a hair more input going into turns. They track nicely until you get a nice steep lean angle, then i encountered a resistance point that required a little work to get past. However, in only one ride, I've been able to take these tires down pretty deep with only two slides....One due to a little overthrottel on my part , the other simply from the corner speed. Looking at the tread after the ride, it is evident that they can be pushed to even steeper lean angles (I still had about an eighth inch or so that hadn't even been touched yet). It is also evident, that the rear is not going to last all that long. It peels off pretty good when its heated up. >From the marketing, I expected a tire designed to last a bit longer than the Dunlop's, but after seeing the wear on it already, I doubt that is the case. Also, according to Jay at Crossroad's Cycle, he has heard that they wear pretty fast too. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'll post a follow up somewhere around the 1000 mile mark or so. Right now they've only seen about 150 miles. Oh, did I mention that the rear tread pattern is real nifty looking:) Similar to Pirelli Dragons, but more like S shaped treads. The front is so so looking. Collin ____________________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (and introducing the newest addition: Connor Timick) (703) 356-4279 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 22:26:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18143; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16961; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16574; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as20s30.erols.com [207.172.121.114]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01663 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970504211847.006ba37c@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 21:18:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: SORRY!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry about the accidental posting of my previous message four times. I've been having some computer problems. The original message wasn't going out properly (or didn't appear to be) so I resent it. Again, sorry for the multiple msgs Collin ____________________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (and introducing the newest addition: Connor Timick) (703) 356-4279 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 22:24:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18214; Mon, 5 May 1997 22:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09836; Mon, 5 May 1997 22:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15182; Mon, 5 May 1997 22:24:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BKVA1@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA05953 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 5 May 1997 22:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 22:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970505222104_1255388101@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Law Ride 97 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Law Ride ‘97 Events: May 10, 1997 (Saturday) - Poker Run Depart Cycle Sport, 632 Grant St. Herndon, VA 20170 Registration 9:00am-11:30am First Bike out 9:00am Last Bike in 4:30pm Directions: From Tysons Corners at the intersection of Route 7 and the Washington beltway (IH 495) take Route 7 West for 7.1 miles. Turn left at the light at Baron Cameron Avenue. Go 3.6 miles (Baron Cameron becomes Elden Street). Turn left onto Grant Street and into Cycle Sport May 11, 1997 (sunday) - Law Ride Stage at parking lot 5 at RFK stadium between 9:00am - 12:00n. Group departs at 12:00n in formation through the streets of the Nation's Capital to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial. Open to all riders. May 12, 1997 (Monday) Ninth Annual Candlelight Vigil National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund 8:00 pm at Memorial Grounds (400 Block of E Street, NW) May 13, 1997 (Tuesday) National Police Survivors' Seminars Concerns of Police Survivors 9:00 am to 4:30 pm Radisson Plaza Hotel at Mark Center, Alexandria, VA May 14, 1997 (Wednesday) National Police Survivors' Seminars Concerns of Police Survivors 9:00 am to 4:30 pm Radisson Plaza Hotel at Mark Center, Alexandria, VA May 14, 1997 Third Annual National Memorial Police Pipe Band March and Ceremony Band will assemble at 4:30pm at Holiday Inn, 415 New Jersey Avenue, NW., with step- off promptly at 5:40pm. March will proceed to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial for a brief ceremony at 6:00pm. All parties interested in participating should contact: Michael Mitchell, Director National Memorial Police Pipe Band March 1500 N.W. 12th Avenue; Apartment 1821 Miami, Florida 33136 305/545-8677 May 15, 1997 (Thursday) 16th Annual National Peace Officers' Memorial Day Service Grand Lodge, Fraternal Order of Police Auxiliary Grand Lodge, Fraternal Order of Police 1:00 pm, West Front of the United States Capitol, Washington, DC Chairpersons: Rose Dodson, Marty Pfeifer, National Police Week Committee 309 Massachusetts Avenue, NE; Washington, DC 20002. Honor guards wishing to participate are asked to fax your agency name and contact person, mailing address, number of officers in honor guard and daytime telephone number to 202/547-8190. Please stop by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Visitors Center during your visit to Washington to pick up a final schedule of all Police Week Activities. Come see our museum to law enforcement and our gift shop. The Visitors Center is located at 605 E Street, NW, and will be open extended hours during Police Week. CONTACT GROUPS: National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial (NLEOMF) 202-737-3400 Concerns of Police Survivors (COPS) 314-346-4911 Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) 202/547-1651. This is a voice mail number, which is accessed frequently. Honor Guard Vigil Information - Officer Kenneth Roden 703/360-5421 Washington, DC Accommodations - Hotel Reservations, Experts in arranging overnight accommodations. Just state the event you are attending. 800/554-2220. TravelTime Services - The exclusive travel services company of the Fraternal Order of Police. 800/ 777-4203. It is advised that Survivors & Escort Officers participating in the May 15th Peace Officers Memorial Day Ceremony stay at the following hotels: Radisson Mark Center - Alexandria, VA 703/845-1010 Sheraton National - Alexandria, VA 703/521-1900 Special Hotel Rate: Quality Inn Governor, $55/room (reg. $85) 6650 Arlington Blvd, Falls Church, VA 22042 703 532-8900 (ask for Donna) Email Gary Lyons, MPO, Falls Church PD: LawRide@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 13:31:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01896; Tue, 6 May 1997 13:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24952; Tue, 6 May 1997 13:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12817; Tue, 6 May 1997 13:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA29759; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:23:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA32337; Tue, 6 May 1997 13:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA14429; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:23:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Distribution@XXXXXX Subject: Room for rent... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970506172311.AAA14429@localHost> This msg sent via DOC mode to CAMS and DC-Cycles. _________________________________________________ All, I know, I know. This is a motorcycle topics list so why am I wasting your time? Simply put, I want to target motorcyclists/enthusiasts. So if you'd like to live in West Springfield VA, read on, else delete and sorry to bother you. _____________________________ I own the house, so that makes me the sleazy landlord. There is currently just one other guy living here. I am interested in: Motorcycles, making beer, hiking/camping, mechanics, reading, motorcycling. Employed as: Computer Systems Analyst. Other guy is interested in: Computers (graphics), civil war, hiking/camping, gaming. Employed as: Computer Graphics Artist / Cartographer ____________________________ You are an "Employed" guy/gal, non-smoker that can get along in a roommate situation. Expectations are to clean up after yourself, and general courtesy. Prefer you ride and/or enthusiastic about bikes. BTW, nothing against pets, it's just something I nor my current roommate want to deal with right now. ____________________________ Details: West Springfield VA - 3 miles from I95, EASY access to HOV. Room: 11x12 on upper floor, blue carpet, one window, 5x2 closet, no phone outlet (but can be dropped). Full bath directly across hall from room for your exclusive use 98% of the time (other 2% reserved for guests, so keep it straight). Full use of Kitchen. There is a rec-room and upstairs living room and dining room. WD/DW/WW and fireplace. Walk-out screened porch. This is a large furnished home with extra storage area in the attic. Three people fit very comfortably! The garage is generally off-limits UNLESS you have a motorcycle. ____________________________ Terms: $450.00 / month paid on or before the 1st of the month. Security deposit of $450, which is NOT the last months rent. Rent includes all utilities except long distance calls in excess of my allowance (I work for MCI). FYI - Utilities cost on a monthly basis $275, and include: Water, Electric, Gas, Trash removal, Basic Cable TV, Telephone. _____________________________ What a deal, huh? Call now to see it. Serious inquiries only. Todd (703) 644-2695 '91 Blackhorse ST1100.... Just bought it!!! '92 NiteHawk CB750..... 26k miles and rising!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 7 09:01:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05879; Wed, 7 May 1997 09:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15473; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.rv.tis.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10199; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay.rv.tis.com; id JAA18343; Wed, 7 May 1997 09:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dira.rv.tis.com(10.0.1.43) by relay.rv.tis.com via smap (3.2) id xma018303; Wed, 7 May 97 09:13:04 -0400 Received: (from richard@localhost) by dira.rv.tis.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id IAA09571 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:58:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Clark Message-Id: <199705071258.IAA09571@dira.rv.tis.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Please UNSUBSCRIBE me. I'll be email-impaired for about a month... :( Richard H. Clark richard@XXXXXX (for another 2 days) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 7 22:59:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02166; Wed, 7 May 1997 22:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29940; Wed, 7 May 1997 22:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10008; Wed, 7 May 1997 22:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA24824 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 May 1997 22:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970507225430_-565394713@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for CAMS (again) Just a quick request - does anybody have the e-mail address for John Weinstein? I'd like to get back onto the CAMS mailing list. (Is he still heading up that function?) Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 8 10:10:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06746; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06333; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08357; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA02905; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA24440; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:07:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA8848; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:07:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles , cb750 , st1100 Subject: insurance X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970508140741.AAA8848@localHost> FYI. If you haven't, check out Russ Browns page @ http://www.russbrown.com/russbrow.html There is a section there about non-insured liability coverage that you all should really consider, given that most accidents are the fault of some cagey knucklehead. Cost? Super-nominal for what you get, and (at least in VA) it applies to family members living w/you, and even if you are driving your cage! See ya, Todd '91 Blackhorse ST1100.... Just bought it!!! '92 NiteHawk CB750..... 26k miles and rising!!! For Sale '83 Shadow VT500c miles 48k Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 03:33:26 -0400 (EDT) To: cb750@XXXXXX Subject: insuance Message-ID: <19970508.002047.7359.1.R.Cuttler@juno.com> From: r.cuttler@XXXXXX (robert cuttler) Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 01:24:01 EDT Sender: cb750-request@XXXXXX Resent-Message-Id: Resent-From: cb750@XXXXXX On Wed, 7 May 1997 10:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Scotster81@XXXXXX writes: >I live on LI too and am paying in an average of $200 for each of two >big >bikes. Where do u get coverage for $95 and $75? Considering that >anything >over 350cc is considered a "big" bike. > >Scott I use Fucci and Freidman Brokers, located on Merrick Ave., East Meadow. I believe the "big bike" cutoff is 700 cc but couldn't swear. Turns out, through a catch 22 I'm paying $104 for the 550. The actual policy is $69 but the broker has a $35 paper work fee if their commission is below a certain level, so it was added in, and I'm actually paying $9 more than the Aspencade. This is for 12 month policies. But I'm not complaining as the rates are still reasonable, and they have been good to me for the last 20years pprox. I've been using them. I've made no claims, but never had any hassle, and everyone I know pays more. By the way, this is for the mandatory minimun of $50,000-$100,000 liability only. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 8 10:33:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07056; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06648; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09605; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA04510; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA00727; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:19:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA17341; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:19:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 10:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: cb750 , Stephen Milligan , dc-cycles , "'Loupil'" , "'SLee'" , "Akers, Philip" , annie mundy , baldwin2 , baretta , Berri Reminick , Biker413@XXXXXX, "'bill in richmond'" , Bill Maggs , Bill Schmidt , blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco , Bob Tobias , botcher2 , "'Bryan T. Douglas'" , BWEINER , chris kleponis , chris norloff , Clark Dorman , "Jones, William COL - G3" , "Collin T. Fagan" , conteh , curtis hintze , dale coyner , Daniel Dutch , Dark Hacker , dave otis , Dave Strout , "'david silver'" , "Mantei, Debra, SFC, OSD/C3I +" , "'dennis hughs'" , Doug Bellomo , "'drew cooper'" , Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, erica rosen , frank supik , gcraddoc , Graling_D , HDWarp80 , herb manell , hugh maher , jae , james w carr , "'Jay Levine'" , jay levine-home , jckozyn@XXXXXX, Jeff Poretsky , "'Jeffrey Berkin'" , jimb , jimi , Joe Snider , john claman , john schaaf , "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , jrduffy@XXXXXX, judy soukup , Ken Bour , larry wilson , linda tanner , louis betancourt , louis caplan , mackinto , Matt Elliott - DIGEX , "'matt farina'" , matt hayes , Matthew Ducey , Michael Dow , "'Mike Lee'" , Morris Berman , mxc11@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, "Paul A. Douglas" , "Paul W. Wisneskey" , pdenno , "Perry D. Coleman" , peter soukup , Randy Chartier <74537.1737@XXXXXX>, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, Robert M Darden , sae pak , sbeck@XXXXXX, scotje , slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox , Steele Gordon , "STEPHEN R. LOHMAN" <103126.2533@XXXXXX>, steveb , STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, "Higdon, SFC Thomas" , thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, "tod r. botcher" , Tracy Minter , "Osidach, Vera Z." , "w.r. ohara" , "McLoone, William J." Subject: TN senator kills MC driver X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970508141937.AAA17341@localHost> Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 08:24:07 -0500 From: Tom Catron Subject: TN senator kills MC driver To: STOC Message-id: <3371D3F6.57D8@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> Organization: Vanderbilt University Sender: owner-st1100@XXXXXX >From today's Tennessean: Maryville, TN: Sen. Carl Koella pleaded no contest yesterday to a misdemeanor charge of leaving the scene of an accidentthat left a 52-year-old Ohio man dead. Koella, 62, was sentenced to 30 days of community service and fined $2,500 by Judge Steve Bevil of Chattanooga. "I don't believe society would benefit from locking Senator Koella up, especially given his physical condition," Bevil said. Koella, a Republican who has represented Blount County in the Senate for 24 years, suffers from multiple sclerosis and other health problems. He was indicted by a Blount COunty grand jury in March on a felony charge of leaving the scene of an accident, but pleaded no contest to the lesser misdeamor. Koella was turning left across U.S. 321 to go to his house Oct 22, 1996, when a MC driven by Terry Barnard of Huron, OH clipped the right rear bumper of Koella's van. Bernard was thrown into another car behind Koella and killed. Koella said yesterday that he did not realize that he had been in ana accident. He saw there had been an accident, he said, and stopped at a nearby business to call police. Bernard's widow, Joyce, said she was dissatisfied: "We came down here today looking for justice and we're still looking for justice". She said she felt Koella received special treatment because he is a senator. Joyce Bernard has a $15 million wrongful death lawsuit Koella pending in federal court. Prosecutor Gus Radford of Carroll County said he felt the plea agreeement was fair and that Koella was treated like any other person. He said the state considered trying him on a felony charge of vehicular homicide but decided not to because there was no evidence that he had been drinking or was driving dangerously, nor that he tried to hide his van or erase the marks left on it by the motorcycle. Bevil also heard testimony from Joyce Barnard, who said her husband would have turned 53 yesterday. Her voice was shaking with anger, she said Koella's actions have "left me with a lot of rage to deal with, and it's all directed at you. Any decent person would have run to the scene to see if he could help out. Why didn't you?" She said if it were up to her she would revoke Koella's law license and driver's license, and put him in prison. Koella's attorney, Jerry Cunningham, said Koella has surrendered his driver's license and has no intention of trying to get it back. He has not practiced law since entering politics. END From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 8 12:35:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08823; Thu, 8 May 1997 12:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08963; Thu, 8 May 1997 12:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17527; Thu, 8 May 1997 12:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28934; Thu, 8 May 1997 12:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id MAA28308; Thu, 8 May 1997 12:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 12:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705081629.MAA28308@clark.net> To: 103126.2533@XXXXXX, 74537.1737@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, GRALNGAA@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, Joe_Snider@XXXXXX, Loupil@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, Tracy-Minter@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, bsajim@XXXXXX, cb750@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, dotis@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, elliottm@XXXXXX, engine14@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, jcclaman@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, jlevine@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, jrduffy@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, larry_wilson@XXXXXX, levine97@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, mducey@XXXXXX, mjhayes@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, mxc11@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, philipa@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, saturnsr1@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, slarrab@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, spak@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, stephen.milligan@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, wjm1@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TN senator kills MC driver Cc: hacker@XXXXXX From Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Thu May 8 10:30:58 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 10:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: cb750 , Stephen Milligan , dc-cycles , "'Loupil'" , "'SLee'" , "Akers, Philip" , annie mundy , baldwin2 , baretta , Berri Reminick , Biker413@XXXXXX, "'bill in richmond'" , Bill Maggs , Bill Schmidt , blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco , Bob Tobias , botcher2 , "'Bryan T. Douglas'" , BWEINER , chris kleponis , chris norloff , Clark Dorman , "Jones, William COL - G3" , "Collin T. Fagan" , conteh , curtis hintze , dale coyner , Daniel Dutch , Dark Hacker , dave otis , Dave Strout , "'david silver'" , "Mantei, Debra, SFC, OSD/C3I +" , "'dennis hughs'" , Doug Bellomo , "'drew cooper'" , Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, erica rosen , frank supik , gcraddoc , Graling_D , HDWarp80 , herb manell , hugh maher , jae , james w carr , "'Jay Levine'" , jay levine-home , jckozyn@XXXXXX, Jeff Poretsky , "'Jeffrey Berkin'" , jimb , jimi , Joe Snider , john claman , john schaaf , "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , jrduffy@XXXXXX, judy soukup , Ken Bour , larry wilson , linda tanner , louis betancourt , louis caplan , mackinto , Matt Elliott - DIGEX , "'matt farina'" , matt hayes , Matthew Ducey , Michael Dow , "'Mike Lee'" , Morris Berman , mxc11@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, "Paul A. Douglas" , "Paul W. Wisneskey" , pdenno , "Perry D. Coleman" , peter soukup , Randy Chartier <74537.1737@XXXXXX>, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, Robert M Darden , sae pak , sbeck@XXXXXX, scotje , slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox , Steele Gordon , "STEPHEN R. LOHMAN" <103126.2533@XXXXXX>, steveb , STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, "Higdon, SFC Thomas" , thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, "tod r. botcher" , Tracy Minter , "Osidach, Vera Z." , "w.r. ohara" , "McLoone, William J." Subject: TN senator kills MC driver From: Tom Catron Subject: TN senator kills MC driver To: STOC Maryville, TN: Sen. Carl Koella pleaded no contest yesterday to a misdemeanor charge of leaving the scene of an accidentthat left a 52-year-old Ohio man dead. "I don't believe society would benefit from locking Senator Koella up, especially given his physical condition," Bevil said. Oh, I see. But given his physical condition, it's ok for him to continue driving on the road and posing a danger to other motorists. Good thing he surrendered his licence. If the roles were reversed and the BIKER rode away from the scene of the accident, they would have thrown the biker in jail for life and the headlines would have read "Thrill-Crazed Biker Murders US Senator". We are NOT pleased... - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 8 17:14:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15077; Thu, 8 May 1997 17:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21606; Thu, 8 May 1997 17:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x13.boston.juno.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10454; Thu, 8 May 1997 17:14:05 -0400 (EDT) From: mxc11@XXXXXX Received: (from mxc11@XXXXXX) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id R{Q07514; Thu, 08 May 1997 17:04:09 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Opinions wanted for roads, jacket Message-ID: <19970508.170235.2863.1.mxc11@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-9,11-13 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:04:09 EDT Lingering questions do still tease my mind at this hour: (1) Can anyone here recommend a few good roads around here to ride? I loved Skyline Drive, but hear that it gets clogged in the summer. (2) I'm going to have to purchase a jacket soon. Can anyone recommend a good one? Can anyone recommend a good source to purchase from? Unfortunately, I don't have the time to read this newsgroup, so please address all responses to: MXC11@XXXXXX. Thanks! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 8 22:45:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23790; Thu, 8 May 1997 22:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00667; Thu, 8 May 1997 22:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04667; Thu, 8 May 1997 22:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp145.visuallink.com [206.151.68.125]) by visuallink.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA20242; Thu, 8 May 1997 22:45:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3372B9E1.2E52@visuallink.com> Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 22:45:05 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mxc11@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Opinions wanted for roads, jacket References: <19970508.170235.2863.1.mxc11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mxc11@XXXXXX wrote: > > Lingering questions do still tease my mind at this hour: > > (1) Can anyone here recommend a few good roads around here to ride? I > loved Skyline Drive, but hear that it gets clogged in the summer. > Don't know where your coming from...but get on I-66 west. Go all the way to the end at milepost 1...go south on I-81 to the second exit. Make a right on rt. 55 towards WV. LOTSA twisties, little traffic and unbelievable scenery. Or...buy a very detailed road map (one with lotsa leeetle squiggly lines) of the state of West Virginia and take you pick! :-) How do I know? It's only about 10 minutes from my front door! Sincere apologies to all city-dwellers... ;-> ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 9 00:51:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25404; Fri, 9 May 1997 00:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02512; Fri, 9 May 1997 00:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08935; Fri, 9 May 1997 00:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA27294; Fri, 9 May 1997 00:45:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 00:41:27 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: TN senator kills MC driver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199705081629.MAA28308@clark.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 May 1997, Dark Hacker wrote: > We are NOT pleased... Damn right.Anyone know if the AMA is looking into this? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Lightning GATB#1121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 9 09:59:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29788; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08140; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16388; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA13117; Fri, 9 May 1997 08:57:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vie-va16-24.ix.netcom.com(204.32.176.152) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013106; Fri May 9 08:57:47 1997 Message-ID: <33735797.1430@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 09:57:59 -0700 From: Bill Schmidt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TN senator kills MC driver References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > On Thu, 8 May 1997, Dark Hacker wrote: > > We are NOT pleased... > > Damn right.Anyone know if the AMA is looking into this? They've been following the story since the start. The current issue of the magazine--published before the verdict--the letters section has an interesting exchange Between a Koella apologist and the editor. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 9 11:40:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01723; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09656; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21057; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcmahon-g ([140.139.12.64]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21204 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:40:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970509153754.008e67b8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: gerrymc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 11:37:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Gerry McMahon Subject: for sale 1982 KZ 650 CSR 8400 miles, new tires - carbs cleaned and balanced ... runs great, cushioned grips, baby buckhorn bars, tach, Klymer maintenance manual, black with chrome fenders and laced wheels. JPG's available on request. Passed MD inspection in August 1996. 1500.00 Call Gerry at 301-845-0627 and leave a message after 6 rings. (Sony decided this was the optimal setting and will not allow it to be changed) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 9 13:16:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04210; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10914; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x13.boston.juno.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26597; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: mxc11@XXXXXX Received: (from mxc11@XXXXXX) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id N[Q19374; Fri, 09 May 1997 13:14:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jacket/road query Message-ID: <19970509.131301.2471.1.mxc11@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,8-9,13-16,20 Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 13:14:16 EDT Okay, I guess I should have clarified this: (1) Since my previous leather jacket has bit the dust (sort of), I need a replacement. Soon. In fact, hopefully before Sunday's CAMS ride to Harper's Ferry. Can anyone recommend a jacket (street, temperature versatile, hopefully w/ armor, for not *too* expensive)? Better yet, can anyone recommend a local, but cheap, establishment from which I might purchase it from? Would love to get a Vanson Avenger, but $550 (armor costs extra) is a bit out of my league. (2) I live in Arlington. Thriving on instant gratification, I was hoping for a nearby twisty road that didn't first involve a few hours of droning on the highway. Or at least a nifty road on the way to said twisty roads. Speak up ye capital area denizens. Your opinions I do crave. Again, please respond directly to MXC11@XXXXXX as I don't read this newsgroup -- my mailbox is already clogged from the daily intake from the Hawk GT Newsgroup. (88 grey, if there are any other Hawksters out there.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 9 14:20:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06834; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12931; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03335; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 37368f70; Fri, 9 May 97 14:12:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:20:42 -0400 Message-ID: <37368f70@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: TN senator kills MC driver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part 1 If you got their magazine, you would know that that indeed, they are. The lower court misdemeanor ruling has been overturned. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: TN senator kills MC driver From: "Gil M. Nissley" at ddn Date: 9,5,97 12:41 AM On Thu, 8 May 1997, Dark Hacker wrote: > We are NOT pleased... Damn right.Anyone know if the AMA is looking into this? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Lightning GATB#1121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 9 15:16:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09305; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14582; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08458; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC5C8B.B308A8F0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Nice day, did you ride? Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:14:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 98 TEXT Thanks for the reply. I'm glad you were able to escape the DC area traffic snarl. I'm sorry that the better half will be dragging you back to it in a couple of years... It sounds beautiful out there in Northern Idaho. I cut across the SE corner of Idaho a few years ago on a business trip (alas, rental car, not bike) and I loved every second of it. I hit Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming in one gorgeous, wonderful day. I felt right at home in those mountains. I'd love to get back there on a bike someday, but I'd have trouble keeping eyes on the road, knowhatImean? It's rainy in DC today, had to take the rain bike to work (92 Nissan Stanza). I'm still not big on getting drenched. Rubber side down! Horkster ---------- From: Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho[SMTP:dimon@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 8:04 AM To: Horstman, Dale R @ MAN Subject: Re: Nice day, did you ride? > Just curious, now that it's nicer outside, how many folks on this list ride > their scoots to work (mostly) everyday in and around the DC area? If so, do you take advantage of any HOV lanes during your commute? Who needs nice weather? When I lived in Wheaton, I rode to work every day, year-round. Oh, there would be ten - fifteen days when snow or ice would force me to ride the Metrobus but the Gold Wing took me to work every other day of the year. Electric vest and hand grips helped me tolerate winter's chill. I'm comfortable down to thirty degrees. I fought Viers Mill Road and Randolph Road to get to my office 5 miles away. It would take from 15 to 35 minutes most days. My customer site was in Carderock, next to the American Legion Bridge at Cabin John. He was 15 miles from home and I needed 30 minutes to get there in the morning and 55 minutes to get home. I could not take the traffic. My blood pressure was around 140 over 95. My nerves were shot and I was an angry wreck when I got home in the evening. Since moving to North Idaho (90 miles from the Canadian border and further north than Maine, I had to join a winter carpool from November through March. It snows a lot here but I have ridden the bike to work in every month except December. It was 41 degrees this morning on the way into work and will be 72 when it's time to go home. My daily commute is 35 miles and it takes 40 minutes to ride it. Instead of traffic, I ride through prairie and forest before reaching the Navy Research Detachment at a stunning mountain lake. And my blood pressure is stable at 120 over 80 since moving here two years ago. What could be wrong with this scenario? My wife misses her family and wants to return to the mid-Atlantic region in two years: WAAH! A curious side note. I spent last week in Los Angeles on a business junket and saw very few bikes. The weather there was gorgeous. Lows in the mid-fifties and highs in the mid seventies. A stiff off-shore breeze kept the air clear and flowers bloomed everywhere. In spite of that good weather, motorcycles were rare on the streets. It seems that people do not commute on bikes in sunny So Cal. Almost all of the motorcycles were CHP bikes. Some speculated that the riders were put off by the traffic. That's the other funny thing. LA traffic was not nearly so bad as DC traffic. They drive fast and tail gate like crazy but traffic flows instead of crawls. I was only in stop and go crawl twice and both times for just a half-mile. I never saw the need to lane-split although it is legal in California. Only once did I see a lane-splitting motorcyclist. He was riding between the two left lanes while traffic moved at forty miles an hour! Since he had to brake for lane-changing cars, he was going only slightly faster than me. I was riding the Wing in the right lane. The risk did not seem worth it. Some California roads are as great as they say. If I can just find a reason to go to another training course in LA or San Francisco! North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 9 16:24:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12090; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18345; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mm1 by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14593; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mdow.lccinc.com ([204.243.124.2]) by mm1.sprynet.com with SMTP id <148568-19073>; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:22:19 -0700 Message-ID: <337387C8.1BA0@travelin.com> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:23:36 -0400 From: "Michael \"Sash\" Dow" Reply-To: mdow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: MC Prices Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if there is a site where one can look up new and used MC prices on the Web? There are similar sites for cars (ie, Kelley Blue Book, Edmunds, etc.) but so far I can't find one for bikes. -Sash From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 9 23:14:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17592; Fri, 9 May 1997 23:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22870; Fri, 9 May 1997 23:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28544; Fri, 9 May 1997 23:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA02607; Fri, 9 May 1997 23:08:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 23:07:09 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re:TN sen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mea Culpa guys.I haven't been reading my AMA mags.Read the latest one today and saw the article. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Lightning GATB#1121 "Always mount a scratch monkey." Vax Tech "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 10 23:36:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00365; Sat, 10 May 1997 23:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01680; Sat, 10 May 1997 23:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21613; Sat, 10 May 1997 23:35:31 -0400 (EDT) From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA01221; Sat, 10 May 1997 23:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970510233459_188164333@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Upcoming Road Events... AMA District 7 1997 Motorcycle Event Schedule NOTE: This schedule was complied in November 1996. Changes can and DO occur. Always call and check before going to an event. All events are open to AMA and Non-AMA members alike. MAY 18 Road Meet (Concours) British Motorcycle Day Committee, Butler'sOrchard, Germantown, MD(301)424-7010. 18 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Diamond Motorcycle Club,US 13, Diamond Motor Sports Center, Camden,DE(302)398-9193. 18 Custom Bike Show - Start 10:00AM - American Bike Explosion, 14900 Pennsylvania Avenue, Upper Marlboro, MD (718) 842-1890. JUNE 8 Road Meet - (Charity Ride) - Start 10AM - Blue Ridge Road Riders,Inc. (BRRR) - JT Motorsports, Rt 355, Frederick MD (410) 374-9687. 22 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 11AM - Maryland Competition Riders,Cycle Connections, Elkridge, MD(410)922-0334. 29 Road Meet (Buffet Run) Start 9AM - Western Maryland Motorcycle Association, McDonald's I-70 at Rt 17, Myersville, MD (410)775-7209. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 11 09:57:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04169; Sun, 11 May 1997 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05612; Sun, 11 May 1997 09:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idt.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00794; Sun, 11 May 1997 09:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ajclark.ios.com (ppp-13.ts-2.dc.idt.net [169.132.21.13]) by idt.net (8.8.3/IDT) with SMTP id JAA00679; Sun, 11 May 1997 09:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705111356.JAA00679@idt.net> X-Sender: ajclark@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vfr@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Allan Clark Subject: FS '91 VFR Reluctantly selling '91 VFR 6900 miles, immaculate Yoshimura slip-on plus orig pipe $4800 includes seat cowl (hardly used because my girlfriend always wanted to go) shop manual, disk lock Available: tank bag, seat bag, soft saddlebags (never used) Please e-mail me direct: ajclark@XXXXXX Allan Clark Baltimore/Washington area From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 09:18:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17224; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17454; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailstorm.dot.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29491; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msc-uscg-mil.dot.gov ([152.120.121.2]) by mailstorm.dot.gov (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA27119; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970512092104.2757dd88@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mxc11@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: USCG Marine Safety Center Subject: Re: Opinions wanted for roads, jacket >Lingering questions do still tease my mind at this hour: > >(1) Can anyone here recommend a few good roads around here to ride? I >loved Skyline Drive, but hear that it gets clogged in the summer. I have five or six ride sheets posted on my web page from around the area. Most rides are about 150 miles long, give or take a bit. Feel free to e-mail me any of your favorite ride sheets so I can add them too. Collin http:\\www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 09:33:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17390; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18785; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00173; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from overload.nova.org (overload.elkrun.nova.org [208.218.26.231]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05608; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 06:25:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini To: USCG Marine Safety Center cc: mxc11@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Opinions wanted for roads, jacket In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970512092104.2757dd88@mail.geocities.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rt 55 out of Gainsville VA is still my favorite sport ride. It parallells 66, and has stretchs on it that you can see the road for a mile in advance. This ensures safer terminal velocities when you broach that 54 mile per hour barrier. There are also some high speed sweepers where you can test if the sides of your tires actually do work. I enjoy this on my beemer as well as my ninja. Pick your favorite unmarked side road, and your in the middle of Virginia estate pasteur land, or maybe creepy crawl down some back country dirt road. Take the gainsville exit off 66, and it should be your first right. The road runs all the way out to front royal. -pierre -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 10:36:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18293; Mon, 12 May 1997 10:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20320; Mon, 12 May 1997 10:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03572; Mon, 12 May 1997 10:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA04216; Mon, 12 May 1997 10:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <337754BB@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 May 97 10:34:51 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: Thomas Piergallini Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Opinions wanted for roads, jacket Date: Mon, 12 May 97 10:32:00 PDT Message-ID: <337754BB@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Actually 55 is a good road well into WV. Keep going through Front Royal and directly on the other side of the River (on 522) turn left back onto 55. From there its probably another 30 miles to WV. If you get that far and want more than go south on WV 259 back into VA to Broadway. From there its almost a straight shot to New Market on US 211. Take 211 back over 2 mountain ranges (with lots of twisties and great scenery) to Warrenton and shoot up 29 back to 66. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX >Rt 55 out of Gainsville VA is still my favorite sport ride. It parallells >66, and has stretchs on it that you can see the road for a mile in >advance. This ensures safer terminal velocities when you broach that 54 >mile per hour barrier. There are also some high speed sweepers where you >can test if the sides of your tires actually do work. I enjoy this on From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 13:58:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22554; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24406; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17983; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:56:58 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA22843 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970512135621_1008005157@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Harley Hey all. Thought you'd enjoy this joke. JB Haller FakeTree@XXXXXX --------------------- Forwarded message: From: QSmith@XXXXXX (Smith, Quentin) To: faketree@XXXXXX ('Jon Haller') Date: 97-05-12 13:51:31 EDT -----Original Message----- From: etrainer@XXXXXX [SMTP:etrainer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 5:34 PM To: Trainer, Rob Subject: The Harley >A young man has always dreamed of owning a Harley Davidson. One >day he has finally saved up enough money so he goes down to the >dealer. > >After picking out the perfect bike the dealer asks if he would like the >extra chrome protection added to the bill. The young man is upset >because he does not have the extra money and is now afraid that the >chrome will rust as soon as it gets wet. The dealer tells him not to >worry. There is an old biker trick that will keep the chrome like new. >All >he has to do is to keep a jar of Vaseline handy and put it on the chrome >before it rains & everything will be fine. The young man happily pays for >the bike and leaves. > >A few months later the young man meets a woman and falls in love. She >asks him to come home and meet her parents over dinner. He readily >agrees and the date is set. > >At the appointed time he picks her up on his Harley and they ride to her >parents house. Before they go in she tells him that they have a family >tradition that whoever speaks first after dinner must do the dishes. > >After a delicious dinner everyone sits in silence waiting for the first >person to break and get stuck doing the dishes. After a long fifteen >minutes the young man decides to speed things up so he reaches over >and kisses the woman in front of her family. > >And no one says a word... > >Next he decides to take a more direct approach so he throws her on the >table and has sex with her in front of everyone. > >And no one says a word... > >Now he is getting desperate so he grabs her mother and throws her on >the table. They have even wilder sex. > >And no one says a word... > >By now he is getting very worried and is thinking what to do next when >he hears thunder in the distance. His first thought is to protect the >chrome on his Harley so he reaches in his pocket and pulls out his >Vaseline. > >And the father says "Okay dammit I'll do the dishes!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 09:50:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07158; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16761; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07231; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA07598; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA27661; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:49:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA30059; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:49:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: cb750 , dc-cycles Subject: Re: insurance X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970513134931.AAA30059@localHost> Listen, For about another $5 to $50 a year you can also get 'Uninsured Motorist Insurance' added to your policy. The following was taken directly from Russ Browns Web site. Go visit it, it's very informative. http://www.russbrown.com/russbrow.html "Uninsured motorist coverage is the most important insurance you can buy. In many metropolitan areas the other drivers are uninsured. These uninsured drivers can make up as high as 40% of the drivers on the road! As you know, the motorcycle driver is not at fault in most accidents. Therefore, you have a high probability of being hit and injured by a driver who has no insurance. The only way you can protect yourself is to purchase uninsured motorist coverage. Uninsured motorist coverage pays for medical expenses, property damage, and pain and suffering (however, there are limitations in no-fault states). We strongly recommend that you purchase this insurance and do not drive without it. Many riders mistakenly believe uninsured motorist coverage pays only for medical bills, and that they do not need it because they carry health insurance. WRONG! -- it pays for medical expenses, as well as loss of earnings, and pain and suffering. It is a good idea to talk to your agent, or talk to several agents, to determine the best coverage that will provide the most protection against loss. You need to remember that different insurance companies have different exclusions to their insurance policies. The most common for motorcycle policies is the passenger exclusion, which means that your insurance company will not pay for injuries to your passenger under your bodily injury liability coverage if you were at fault. There are other types of exclusions that, unless you ask, you may never know about until it is too late. Therefore, the most important thing you can do is to fully understand your entire coverage." See ya, Todd '91 Blackhorse ST1100.... '92 NiteHawk CB750..... For Sale '83 Shadow VT500c miles 48k Jumping to the topic: Last Daytona bike week I got a quote from Progressive (sp?) which was very good. It was $70/yr for the 10/20/10. That's the lowest I've seen with well known companies. I also got a local quote for $50/yr. For $20 difference I'll go for the Progrssive. Ram '81 CB750K > On Wed, 7 May 1997 10:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Scotster81@XXXXXX writes: >>I live on LI too and am paying in an average of $200 for each of two >big >bikes. Where do u get coverage for $95 and $75? Considering that >anything >over 350cc is considered a "big" bike. > >Scott I use Fucci and Freidman Brokers, located on Merrick Ave., East Meadow. I believe the "big bike" cutoff is 700 cc but couldn't swear. Turns out, through a catch 22 I'm paying $104 for the 550. The actual policy is $69 but the broker has a $35 paper work fee if their commission is below a certain level, so it was added in, and I'm actually paying $9 more than the Aspencade. This is for 12 month policies. But I'm not complaining as the rates are still reasonable, and they have been good to me for the last 20years pprox. I've been using them. I've made no claims, but never had any hassle, and everyone I know pays more. By the way, this is for the mandatory minimun of $50,000-$100,000 liability only. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 10:13:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07505; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17143; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08609; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.0) id KAA451.24; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:11:12 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970513100454.009832e0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:04:54 -0400 To: cb750 , dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: insurance In-Reply-To: <19970513134931.AAA30059@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > For about another $5 to $50 a year you can also get 'Uninsured >Motorist Insurance' added to your policy. The following was taken >directly from Russ Browns Web site. Go visit it, it's very informative. > >http://www.russbrown.com/russbrow.html Tom McGrath recently wrote an article in _Winding Road Motorcycle Times_ about how insured Virginia drivers were automatically covered for uninsured and underinsured drivers (by State law). Better check your local laws. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 11:25:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08305; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19073; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12384; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA23287; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA00850; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:24:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA5838; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:24:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: cb750 , dc-cycles Subject: Insurance...... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970513152449.AAA5838@localHost> note..if you got this twice sorry. -------------------- Chris is correct, in VA you are automatically covered. However, if your limits of liability are only '10/20/10' your 'Uninsured' is the same. In other words, you can only collect another $20k for an accident that is not your fault. Is $20k enough these days? I'm not sure how the laws work in other states, but in VA you can't get the additional 'Uninsured' unless you purchase additional liability. The additional 'Uninsured' costs just a few dollars more. The article is in the March/April 1997 edition. Tom McGrath is an attorney in VA, who also rides. He has recently helped push for legislation to assure that part of moto-registration fees go directly to Motorcycle Education (in the form of new MSF training outlets, and a new roving MSF trainer). If you'd like to speak with Tom on the insurance subject for VA, he can be reached at 1-800-321-8968. I found him to be very informed. In fact, after speaking with him, I was convinced that having the 'Uninsured Motorist Ins..' was a good move. For other states (and VA), talk to your agent. Points to consider: 1. If you carry this insurance, family members living with you are covered under the same conditions. 2. Shop. You can carry this insurance on you car policy and it will cover you on your bike. It may be less expensive on your car policy! 3. You don't need to carry it on both car/bike as per point 2. BTW, w/my carrier (Recreational Products), I purchased the 100k/300k liablity (the limit in VA) and ended up paying about $70 more a year for that and the additional 'Uninsured Motorist Insurance'. IMO, this is money well spent. Todd Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970513100454.009832e0@norloff.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:04:54 -0400 To: cb750 , dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: insurance In-Reply-To: <19970513134931.AAA30059@localHost> > For about another $5 to $50 a year you can also get 'Uninsured >Motorist Insurance' added to your policy. The following was taken >directly from Russ Browns Web site. Go visit it, it's very informative. > >http://www.russbrown.com/russbrow.html Tom McGrath recently wrote an article in _Winding Road Motorcycle Times_ about how insured Virginia drivers were automatically covered for uninsured and underinsured drivers (by State law). Better check your local laws. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 11:45:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08625; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19610; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lamp0.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13673; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lamp0.arl.mil (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA09236; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:44:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:42:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles , Baltimore Cycles Subject: Track Day Interest Message-Id: X-X-Sender: morris@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm on a CO DoD list and they just had a track day. I was wondering if there was any interest in that here. Here is what they did... About 3 of their local racers (some of whom had instruction experience) volunteered to "teach" a group of others. They spent a few hours in the morning in a classroom and then went out to the track. They rented out the entire track to themselves for the day. They self divided into three groups on the track and then spent the track time either following the "instructors" or being followed by the "instructors" and getting pointers. This could be either racing pointers or just increasing comfort level on the bike pointers. Tech-in for the track sessions consisted of taping the taillights and ensuring that no one was leaking any fluid, no safetwiring or water/antifreeze swapping, etc. They also arranged to have a doctor on-site, just in case. As well as some refreshments. They shot for a max of 10:1 instructor:students ratio, with a maximum of 30 students. The cost was $100.00/person for the day. The Doc was a friend of the group and was happy to be there, so he just received the left over money. They money included the track rental/insurance/refreshments/doc. I have no idea what a similar event would cost around here, or where it could be run (other than Summit Point). I was just wondering if there was any interest, either from people who would want to participate or racers who would volunteer to come out and speak to a captive audience. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX, http://www.glue.umd.edu/~morris/ MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 13:27:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10154; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21500; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19226; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tgimer.smart.net (a2p11dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.43]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17048 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:26:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3378A3FD.1591@smart.net> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:25:17 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Organization: Smartnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Beach riding Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm thinking of bringing a couple of street-legal Honda XRs with me to the shore this summer with the hope of finding some decent places to ride (perhaps some dune riding?) Anyone know of areas near the coast (Rehobeth - Assateague (sp)) worth taking a look at? Otherwise, I'll just bring my golf clubs and plenty of [fill in favorite vice]. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 14:19:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11667; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23900; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23821; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 378adeb0; Tue, 13 May 97 14:07:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:59:54 -0400 Message-ID: <378adeb0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Track Day Interest To: Morris Berman , DC Cycles , Baltimore Cycles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Definitly, I am interested. 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Call Mehran @ 301-380-3879 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 17:26:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18143; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27834; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darden.gbus.Virginia.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13159; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by darden.gbus.Virginia.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC5FC2.C34E1620@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kitchell, Mark" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Thomas H. Gimer'" Subject: RE: Beach riding Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:26:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT I have lived in Bethany during summer off and on for 10 years and never seen a bike on the beach. I believe that the local authorities frown on that....but you could chugg around the back roads for fun. >---------- >From: Thomas H. Gimer[SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 1:25 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Beach riding > >I'm thinking of bringing a couple of street-legal Honda XRs with me to >the shore this summer with the hope of finding some decent places to >ride (perhaps some dune riding?) > >Anyone know of areas near the coast (Rehobeth - Assateague (sp)) worth >taking a look at? > >Otherwise, I'll just bring my golf clubs and plenty of [fill in favorite >vice]. > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 19:39:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21143; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00786; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22359; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:39:19 -0400 (EDT) From: ISOcredo@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA22438; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970513193746_811569054@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beach riding In a message dated 97-05-13 14:47:42 EDT, tgimer@XXXXXX (Thomas H. Gimer) writes: << I'm thinking of bringing a couple of street-legal Honda XRs with me to the shore this summer with the hope of finding some decent places to ride (perhaps some dune riding?) Anyone know of areas near the coast (Rehobeth - Assateague (sp)) worth taking a look at? >> Definitely nix the dune riding idea. Running any kind of vehicle (and even walking, for that matter) on dunes destroys them in pretty short order -- they're extremely fragile. If you do find a beach that's legal to ride on around here, stick to the sand down near the water, where you'll do the least damage. Thanks! --Linda '96 Virago 535 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 21:07:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21960; Tue, 13 May 1997 21:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01449; Tue, 13 May 1997 21:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26105; Tue, 13 May 1997 21:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as24s14.erols.com [207.172.37.205]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23449; Tue, 13 May 1997 21:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19960513193441.006c5104@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:34:41 -0400 To: Morris Berman , DC Cycles , Baltimore Cycles From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Track Day Interest In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would be very interested too if something like that could be worked somewhere in that cost range. Cycle Sport has a track day, but the cost is something like $170, and from what I understand, you don't get all that much time on the track, and they put some pretty strict limits on speeds. As for setup, I think they require glass to be taped and oil plug to be safety wired. Myself, if allowed out on the track, I would like the opportunity to push/develop my skills. That means going pretty fast. Just for info, John Koh, who rode with CAMS this past weekend is a doctor out at Leesburgh hospital, but I'm sure that he would want to be riding either his 916 or that spiffy little Aprillia RS250 of his. (So who fixes him if he goes down?) If we can make it happen great, but if not, oh well, life will go on. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 23:43:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24280; Tue, 13 May 1997 23:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03185; Tue, 13 May 1997 23:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04986; Tue, 13 May 1997 23:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (spg-as10s53.erols.com [207.172.34.116]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA09166; Tue, 13 May 1997 23:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3378B272.4211@erols.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:26:58 -0700 From: "David & Alane O'Neill" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Day Interest References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know of at least 3 people that would do this on any weekend. Morris Berman wrote: > > I'm on a CO DoD list and they just had a track day. I was wondering if > there was any interest in that here. Here is what they did... > > About 3 of their local racers (some of whom had instruction experience) > volunteered to "teach" a group of others. They spent a few hours in the > morning in a classroom and then went out to the track. > > They rented out the entire track to themselves for the day. They self > divided into three groups on the track and then spent the track time > either following the "instructors" or being followed by the "instructors" > and getting pointers. This could be either racing pointers or just > increasing comfort level on the bike pointers. > > Tech-in for the track sessions consisted of taping the taillights and > ensuring that no one was leaking any fluid, no safetwiring or > water/antifreeze swapping, etc. > > They also arranged to have a doctor on-site, just in case. As well as > some refreshments. They shot for a max of 10:1 instructor:students ratio, > with a maximum of 30 students. The cost was $100.00/person for the day. > The Doc was a friend of the group and was happy to be there, so he just > received the left over money. They money included the track > rental/insurance/refreshments/doc. > > I have no idea what a similar event would cost around here, or where it > could be run (other than Summit Point). I was just wondering if there was > any interest, either from people who would want to participate or racers > who would volunteer to come out and speak to a captive audience. > > -Mb > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX, http://www.glue.umd.edu/~morris/ > MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 00:57:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25531; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05200; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07932; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA12627; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:01:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 01:01:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Thomas H. Gimer" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beach riding In-Reply-To: <3378A3FD.1591@smart.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Thomas. As a long-time hiker and biker, I'd ask you to think twice before riding on barrier-island dunes: * The vegetation that holds the dunes in place is fragile. Please protect it. * Motorized noise on quiet beaches is pretty annoying, at least to me. I've done stuff like that, so I can't be too much holier-than-thou, but it really is an abomination. * Sand is hell on motor vehicles. (Might as well toss in an appeal to self interest ;) * Two alternative suggestions: take a canoe and explore the Sound (west) side of Assateague Island [there were also park ranger tours, with them providing the boats, but I don't know if this is currently available]; or go further south to Nags Head and do some hang gliding--great fun [lessons and big dunes there, too]. And golf's pretty good near the shore---they've got some wonderful sand traps! --garcia (asbestos suit ready) oliver p.s.: Sorry if I've been obnoxious, but I feel strongly about this. "Remember: Always pillage BEFORE you burn." On Tue, 13 May 1997, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > I'm thinking of bringing a couple of street-legal Honda XRs with me to > the shore this summer with the hope of finding some decent places to > ride (perhaps some dune riding?) > > Anyone know of areas near the coast (Rehobeth - Assateague (sp)) worth > taking a look at? > > Otherwise, I'll just bring my golf clubs and plenty of [fill in favorite > vice]. > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 10:08:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29146; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09032; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lccinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21878; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgw.lccinc.com by lccinc.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00219; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:06:56 -0400 Received: from ccMail by smtpgw.lccinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA863629536; Wed, 14 May 97 09:49:33 edt Date: Wed, 14 May 97 09:49:33 edt From: "Matthew Farina" Message-Id: <9704148636.AA863629536@smtpgw.lccinc.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Don't I know where I am? Okay, boy did I ever brainlock yesterday. CORRECT contact info and mileage to follow: Most grudgingly for sale: Stock 1986 Shadow 500, black, 19.7k miles, excellent condition; always garaged/covered. $1800. call (703) 873-2241 (w); (703) 521-6030 (h) or email if interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 12:28:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00867; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12193; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alau.al.mt.np.els-gms.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29214; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:55:42 -0500 From: lvarouxis@XXXXXX (Lisa G. Varouxis) Received: from lvarouxis by attmail; Wed May 14 16:25:12 GMT 1997 Phone: +1 703 277 3927 Fax-Phone: +1 703 277 3976 Subject: Final Valerie Run Message To: cmellick@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dcdetails@XXXXXX, jcagney@XXXXXX (Jane G Cagney), jhughes@XXXXXX (Jeffrey P Hughes), weinstej@XXXXXX, Neweiss@XXXXXX, schichester@XXXXXX (Steve E Chichester), tormond@XXXXXX, tritondo@XXXXXX, shackleford@XXXXXX (Walt I Shackleford), wkellar@XXXXXX (Wayne C Kellar), shoresda@XXXXXX X-MAPI-Message-ID: 0000000085AF9D2C4175D011A8A9080009BB5E3484E02000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_3379e7d4.56ec.0_alaumail.att.net=_" Message-ID: > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. --_3379e7d4.56ec.0_alaumail.att.net=_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seeing as it's Wednesday, and the ride is only two days away, I decided to send this final message out with the latest information I have on the Valerie Run. (I pulled the information off of their web page this morning). The ride will start from the Westview Business Park on Route 17/50 just west of I-81 in Winchester at 10 a.m. It will follow Route 50 East to Route 17 North to I-66 West. Exit onto Route 522 North and follow to Route 642 West. Take the Route 37 by-pass to Route 50 West. Take a left and go under Route 37 and through the traffic light. Take the first cross-over in the median to the Livestock Exchange. The Farmer's Livestock Exchange on Route 50 West in Winchester is the location of the end of the ride party. The local fire department and emergency personnel in Winchester request all riders carry emergency contact information in the event of an accident. (Somber reminder, eh?) You can register for the ride on May 14th and May 15th at the Holiday Inn in Winchester from 7 a.m. until 9 p.m., or the morning of the ride at the Westview Business Center beginning at 6:30 a.m. There is a legal release authorization that needs to be signed prior to participation. To obtain your ride sticker, you will be required to complete the release and pay the $5 participation fee. The latest weather forecast calls for partly cloudy skies with a high around 68. (But that's for the Washington Metro area). Hope to see you Friday. 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Dark blue, shaft drive, 20-something thousand miles, minor leak from right fork seal, probably broken ignition switch, may have a Va. tag expiring in June 97. Taken from Mt. Pleasant. My phone number is 202-234-9229; DC police report number 258-262. The Yamaha RD-400 reported stolen here a couple of weeks ago was found by a neighbor, abandoned in a garage 3 blocks from here. The bike was stored with no battery, which may have prevented its being started and ridden. Ignition and lock destroyed. Later. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 14:39:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03923; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15603; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09245; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC6074.40433370@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:36:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: 1 stolen, 1 recovered Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:36:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 29 TEXT Wait, I have that old email, you said it was a Yamaha RD-350. *IF* I had seen a 400 that matched your description, I wouldn't have thought twice about it. Oh well. Glad you got one back. Sorry you lost another one. Time to move? Horkster ---------- From: Garcia Oliver[SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 2:24 PM To: dc-cycle Subject: 1 stolen, 1 recovered Another stolen bike: 1981-2 Suzuki GS 850 VIN JS1GS72GXC2102064 (easy to remember, right?). Dark blue, shaft drive, 20-something thousand miles, minor leak from right fork seal, probably broken ignition switch, may have a Va. tag expiring in June 97. Taken from Mt. Pleasant. My phone number is 202-234-9229; DC police report number 258-262. The Yamaha RD-400 reported stolen here a couple of weeks ago was found by a neighbor, abandoned in a garage 3 blocks from here. The bike was stored with no battery, which may have prevented its being started and ridden. Ignition and lock destroyed. Later. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 14:54:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04594; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15872; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11138; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 160.marasconewton.com ([38.245.184.160]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA18243 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:54:12 -0400 Message-ID: <337A0B9A.61E4@erols.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:59:38 -0400 From: Bryndyn Weiner Reply-To: rzbean@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: 1 stolen, 1 recovered References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garcia Oliver wrote: > The Yamaha RD-400 reported stolen here a couple of weeks ago was found by > a neighbor, abandoned in a garage 3 blocks from here. The bike was stored > with no battery, which may have prevented its being started and ridden. Reminds me of when my father's girlfriend's Honda Civic was stolen and recovered a block away across the street from a house from where they had stolen a Mazda Miata. These people are so fickle. BTW, sorry to hear of your misfortune and I'll keep an eye out. Good luck. -- Bryndyn Weiner email: rzbean@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 15:50:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06926; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18011; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17646; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tgimer.smart.net (a2p30dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.62]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18654 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:50:55 -0400 Message-ID: <337A173F.629D@smart.net> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:49:19 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Organization: Smartnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beach riding References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to set the record straight for those who envisioned me ripping up the East Coast shoreline: Garcia Oliver wrote: > > Hi, Thomas. > > As a long-time hiker and biker, I'd ask you to think twice before riding > on barrier-island dunes: I was actually thinking more of any riding areas from Southern Delaware to Assateague (notice "near the coast"), not actually on the barrier islands where the ecology obviously has top priority. > * The vegetation that holds the dunes in place is fragile. Please > protect it. > What, no roosting? Joke. > * Motorized noise on quiet beaches is pretty annoying, at least to me. > I've done stuff like that, so I can't be too much holier-than-thou, but > it really is an abomination. Obviously I was not thinking of riding up the Carousel beach, but looking for places designated for motorized recreation (or noteworthy trials). > * Sand is hell on motor vehicles. (Might as well toss in an appeal to > self interest ;) I am a worse hell to my motor vehicles. My bike would welcome sand with open arms if it thought it had a better chance of losing me. > * Two alternative suggestions: take a canoe and explore the Sound (west) > side of Assateague Island [there were also park ranger tours, with them > providing the boats, but I don't know if this is currently available]; or > go further south to Nags Head and do some hang gliding--great fun [lessons > and big dunes there, too]. Thanks for the tips. > And golf's pretty good near the shore---they've got some wonderful sand > traps! I actually try to avoid those. > --garcia (asbestos suit ready) oliver > > p.s.: Sorry if I've been obnoxious, but I feel strongly about this. No problem. > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > > > I'm thinking of bringing a couple of street-legal Honda XRs with me to > > the shore this summer with the hope of finding some decent places to > > ride (perhaps some dune riding?) > > > > Anyone know of areas near the coast (Rehobeth - Assateague (sp)) worth > > taking a look at? > > > > Otherwise, I'll just bring my golf clubs and plenty of [fill in favorite > > vice]. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 17:09:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09537; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19636; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24973; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA11034 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX(dc-cycle); Wed, 14 May 1997 17:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970514170710_121425856@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycle) Subject: Re: 1 stolen, 1 recovered Sorry to hear the news about the cocksucking motorcycle thieves. Good luck. In a message dated 97-05-14 14:25:05 EDT, you write: << Subj: 1 stolen, 1 recovered Date: 97-05-14 14:25:05 EDT From: garicao@XXXXXX (Garcia Oliver) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycle) Another stolen bike: 1981-2 Suzuki GS 850 VIN JS1GS72GXC2102064 (easy to remember, right?). Dark blue, shaft drive, 20-something thousand miles, minor leak from right fork seal, probably broken ignition switch, may have a Va. tag expiring in June 97. Taken from Mt. Pleasant. My phone number is 202-234-9229; DC police report number 258-262. The Yamaha RD-400 reported stolen here a couple of weeks ago was found by a neighbor, abandoned in a garage 3 blocks from here. The bike was stored with no battery, which may have prevented its being started and ridden. Ignition and lock destroyed. Later. --garcia ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 14:24:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by emin06.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-1.0.1) with ESMTP id OAA08267; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15150; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07068; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA15481; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:24:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: 1 stolen, 1 recovered Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 17:40:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09794; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20042; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26426; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA19573; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:40:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:40:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 1 stolen, 1 recovered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 May 1997 dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > Wait, I have that old email, you said it was a Yamaha RD-350. *IF* I had seen > a 400 that matched your description, I wouldn't have thought twice about it. Whoops! Senile decay, brain-fade, and what's-his-name's-disease (you know---where you can't remember things). This one REALLY is a GS-850, though. > > Oh well. Glad you got one back. Sorry you lost another one. Time to move? Nope. > > Horkster --garcia "Criminals and tyrants prefer unarmed victims." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 20:38:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11504; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23718; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04253; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from explorer2.clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.5]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA18621; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:37:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by explorer2.clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id UAA02368; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705150038.UAA02368@explorer2.clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rzbean@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 1 stolen, 1 recovered I hate theft, particularly when its something as personal as a motorcycle. They ought to have their hands cut off... Of course, if we did that to everyone who pirated software... :-) - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 09:32:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17042; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29535; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25457; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:07:54 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:07:37 -0400 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: for sale 87 250 Rebel, 4K miles, mint condition. 88 Kaw 454 tinted windshield, leather saddle bags, 7K miles, Very very nice. 87 Yamaha XT 350 enduro, 9K miles, nice. if you want any details email me at triolos@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 14:40:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21226; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04938; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alau.al.mt.np.els-gms.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12312; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:54:26 -0500 From: lvarouxis@XXXXXX (Lisa G. Varouxis) Received: from lvarouxis by attmail; Thu May 15 18:36:04 GMT 1997 Phone: +1 703 277 3927 Fax-Phone: +1 703 277 3976 Subject: Correction to the location To: cmellick@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jhughes@XXXXXX (Jeffrey P Hughes), Neweiss@XXXXXX, schichester@XXXXXX (Steve E Chichester), tormond@XXXXXX, tritondo@XXXXXX, shackleford@XXXXXX (Walt I Shackleford), shoresda@XXXXXX X-MAPI-Message-ID: 0000000085AF9D2C4175D011A8A9080009BB5E3464E42000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_337b5828.2143.0_alaumail.att.net=_" Message-ID: > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. --_337b5828.2143.0_alaumail.att.net=_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Correction: The Westview Business Center is located approximately 2 miles East of Route 81, not at the junction Route 50/17 and I-81. According to Mike Nehmsmann, that's approximately 10 miles west of the river. Just wanted to correct the location. 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Cost, bike prep requirements, rider protective gear requirements, track time, classroom time, instructor quality, etc. Tim -- Tim Morrow Herndon, Va. Morrows@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 22:20:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29460; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10336; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11896; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:20:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA06029 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970515222008_88030724@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Valerie Run Last minute reminder: The Valerie Run - Purple Ribbon Ride is being held tomorrow (Friday, May 16). The ride has been organized to bring attention to the horribleness of child abuse. Cost is $5 per person and the money goes to some good organizations. Ride starts at 10 a.m. at the Westview Business Park on Route 50, 2 miles east of I-81. It will wind around through Middletown and end in Front Royal. If you're not familiar with the story of Valerie Smelzer, check out the Internet page (sorry, I don't have the address here, but you should be able to run a search for it). Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 07:33:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03655; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14141; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25497; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA02181 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 04:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC61CB.A1E5F970@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:34:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Riding on Military Bases Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:34:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got a question for the .mil guys/gals out there. As an Ex-Air Force dependent, I remember that there are additional regulations for riding on military bases ... little orange jacket, extra safety course, etc. I am planning on attending the Andrews Airshow this weekend ... will they turn me away at the gate if I show up on the bike? It is an "open house", but I would hate to ride all the way over there and find out that I either have to go back and get a cage, or park at the gate and hoof it all the way to the runway. If anyone works on Andrews, could they find out if they are relaxing these regs for the open house and post the answer? I am sure others are probably interested in knowing as well. TIA, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 07:48:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03712; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14248; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26046; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02451; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from overload.nova.org (overload.elkrun.nova.org [208.218.26.231]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA14160; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:48:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini To: DC-Cycles , "Meier, Christopher" Subject: Re: Riding on Military Bases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In a former life I used to be the Air Force motorcycle safety officer for the pentagon. So that makes me god's authority on earth, right? :-) As general guidance army bases are more sticklers for motorcycle safety then the airforce is. But this is what the requirments were/are: Boots (shoes that cover the ankles) Long Pants Jacket that covers arms Gloves, helmet, eye protection A reflective safety Vest. the last one of course is the killer, cause all of use do at least the first 4. It is tuff to look cool on your ZX-7 when you have orange safety vest on. And they are not cheap. Good ones are $40. I got a jogging reflective vest for $20 at the Base exhange. it was cheasy, but legal. I bet you will be cut a break on Air day, without having the vest. But pull up in shorts and sneakers and a t-shirt and I doubt they will let you in. Remember when maryland was NO-HELMUT? Funny to watch all the dumb squids pull up to the gate, AND THEN put their helmut on. Jeeeeezzz... -pierre -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 08:49:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04039; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14848; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27985; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA30151; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s02.erols.com [207.172.110.2]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29236; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970516084828.345f04cc@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Meier, Christopher" From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Riding on Military Bases Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:34 AM 5/16/97 -0400, Meier, Christopher wrote: >Got a question for the .mil guys/gals out there. > >As an Ex-Air Force dependent, I remember that there are additional >regulations for riding on military bases ... little orange jacket, extra >safety course, etc. > >I am planning on attending the Andrews Airshow this weekend ... will >they turn me away at the gate if I show up on the bike? It is an "open >house", but I would hate to ride all the way over there and find out >that I either have to go back and get a cage, or park at the gate and >hoof it all the way to the runway. I dont know about Andrews, but we ride all around and through Quantico marine base often. Its beautiful out there. When its warm enough out, I dont wear any kind of jacket, and I always wear one of those "novelty" helmets. Complete with attached horns and a "barabarian mask", which make it VERY obvious that its not actually a "legal" helmet. We've never been bothered or harrassed by anyone on the base. Ever. Just waved at, smiled at, or they'd yell hi. I sincerely doubt that anyone at Andrews would turn away a civilian just because he doesnt have on the "proper" gear. Especially since you're going to an "open to the public" event. Besides, Im also an ex-air force brat of many years, and I remember the folks in the air force as being the most carefree, tolerant, brave, trustworthy, wonderful people around. MUCH better than the people in those OTHER branches of the service that were always striving to BE like our guys. But were never quite making it..... :) Squeakers http://www.erols.com/squeaks Whats the difference between a man and a catfish? One's a bottom feeding scum sucker. The other's a fish. What did God say after creating man? I can do better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 08:50:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04049; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14877; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28121; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08280; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s02.erols.com [207.172.110.2]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29904; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970516085158.0bd7d7b4@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Meier, Christopher" From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Riding on Military Bases Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:34 AM 5/16/97 -0400, Meier, Christopher wrote: >Got a question for the .mil guys/gals out there. > >As an Ex-Air Force dependent, I remember that there are additional >regulations for riding on military bases ... little orange jacket, extra >safety course, etc. > >I am planning on attending the Andrews Airshow this weekend ... will >they turn me away at the gate if I show up on the bike? It is an "open >house", but I would hate to ride all the way over there and find out >that I either have to go back and get a cage, or park at the gate and >hoof it all the way to the runway. I dont know about Andrews, but we ride all around and through Quantico marine base often. Its beautiful out there. When its warm enough out, I dont wear any kind of jacket, and I always wear one of those "novelty" helmets. Complete with attached horns and a "barabarian mask", which make it VERY obvious that its not actually a "legal" helmet. We've never been bothered or harrassed by anyone on the base. Ever. Just waved at, smiled at, or they'd yell hi. I sincerely doubt that anyone at Andrews would turn away a civilian just because he doesnt have on the "proper" gear. Especially since you're going to an "open to the public" event. Besides, Im also an ex-air force brat of many years, and I remember the folks in the air force as being the most carefree, tolerant, brave, trustworthy, wonderful people around. MUCH better than the people in those OTHER branches of the service that were always striving to BE like our guys. But were never quite making it..... :) Squeakers http://www.erols.com/squeaks Whats the difference between a man and a catfish? One's a bottom feeding scum sucker. The other's a fish. What did God say after creating man? I can do better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 08:50:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04054; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14883; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28125; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05044; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s02.erols.com [207.172.110.2]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29472; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970516084933.345f420e@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Meier, Christopher" From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Riding on Military Bases Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:34 AM 5/16/97 -0400, Meier, Christopher wrote: >Got a question for the .mil guys/gals out there. > >As an Ex-Air Force dependent, I remember that there are additional >regulations for riding on military bases ... little orange jacket, extra >safety course, etc. > >I am planning on attending the Andrews Airshow this weekend ... will >they turn me away at the gate if I show up on the bike? It is an "open >house", but I would hate to ride all the way over there and find out >that I either have to go back and get a cage, or park at the gate and >hoof it all the way to the runway. I dont know about Andrews, but we ride all around and through Quantico marine base often. Its beautiful out there. When its warm enough out, I dont wear any kind of jacket, and I always wear one of those "novelty" helmets. Complete with attached horns and a "barabarian mask", which make it VERY obvious that its not actually a "legal" helmet. We've never been bothered or harrassed by anyone on the base. Ever. Just waved at, smiled at, or they'd yell hi. I sincerely doubt that anyone at Andrews would turn away a civilian just because he doesnt have on the "proper" gear. Especially since you're going to an "open to the public" event. Besides, Im also an ex-air force brat of many years, and I remember the folks in the air force as being the most carefree, tolerant, brave, trustworthy, wonderful people around. MUCH better than the people in those OTHER branches of the service that were always striving to BE like our guys. But were never quite making it..... :) Squeakers http://www.erols.com/squeaks Whats the difference between a man and a catfish? One's a bottom feeding scum sucker. The other's a fish. What did God say after creating man? I can do better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 09:01:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04193; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15233; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28508; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03381; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA22447 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970516090103_-2001506563@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding on Military Bases Some years ago I was stationed at RAF Bentwaters, a USAF base in England. I rode onto base one fine rainy morning on my 63 Matchless; there was an alert exercise on and gas masks were required. When I got to my parking place, I started to open my gear bag when a security car pulled up behind me. They busted me for being on base without wearing a gas mask. I tried to point out to them that it would be difficult (and illegal) to ride with a gas mask on in lieu of a helmet. You can guess how far that went. Our top kick had a pretty good laugh when he was notified of the incident. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 09:19:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04540; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15391; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29082; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04483; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s02.erols.com [207.172.110.2]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA04325; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970516091756.0bd7d3ae@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Meier, Christopher" From: Squeakers Subject: it replicated and ran Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX No, I did not try and send the military base one three times. My damn ISP grabbed it, and then cloned it. First sheep. Now this. Where will it all end? Squeakers http://www.erols.com/squeaks How do you save your man from drowning? Take your foot off his head. Why are men like laxatives? They irritate the s*** out of you. (bleeped for the sensitive) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 09:50:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04804; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15642; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00460; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22917; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA08586 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 06:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC61DE.A96DCA70@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:51:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: DC-Cycles , "'Thomas Piergallini'" Subject: RE: Riding on Military Bases Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:50:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Thomas Piergallini[SMTP:pierre@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, May 16, 1997 7:48 AM >To: Meier, Christopher; DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Riding on Military Bases > >-snip- >As general guidance army bases are more sticklers for motorcycle safety >then the airforce is. But this is what the requirments were/are: > >Boots (shoes that cover the ankles) >Long Pants >Jacket that covers arms >Gloves, helmet, eye protection >A reflective safety Vest. OK, I just called AAFB Security Police. They said that you don't need an orange vest, but all the others above do apply. MUST have long pants, shoes "that cover the toes", jacket, helmet, and eye protection. All the stuff I ride with anyway, I was just concerned about the vest thingy. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 10:30:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05461; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16108; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02234; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pressroom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA31132; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <337C358D.71C2@pressroom.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:23:09 +0000 From: "Dr. Moze" Reply-To: DrMoze@XXXXXX Organization: The Pressroom Online Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Riding on Military Bases References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Piergallini wrote: > As general guidance army bases are more sticklers for motorcycle safety > then the airforce is. But this is what the requirments were/are: > > Boots (shoes that cover the ankles) > Long Pants > Jacket that covers arms > Gloves, helmet, eye protection > A reflective safety Vest. > > the last one of course is the killer, cause all of use do at least the > first 4. It is tuff to look cool on your ZX-7 when you have orange safety > vest on. And they are not cheap. Good ones are $40. I got a jogging > reflective vest for $20 at the Base exhange. it was cheasy, but legal. I took the MSF Advanced Safety Course last Fall. (Passing an MSF course is required to get a vehicle sticker here at NRL.) It was free (held at Ft. Belvoir), my boss gave me the day off to take the course, and as a bonus, they gave us each a free orange/reflective safety vest! These are pretty thin nylon/plastic(?) mesh things, and look like they would cost much less than $20. Dunno where to buy them, though. -- Dr. Moze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 10:44:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05570; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16353; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02847; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA11747 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:44:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id KAA04643 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705161444.KAA04643@clark.net> Subject: Re: Reflective vests To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:44:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: "Dr. Moze" > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Riding on Military Bases > > I took the MSF Advanced Safety Course last Fall. (Passing an MSF course > is required to get a vehicle sticker here at NRL.) It was free (held at > Ft. Belvoir), my boss gave me the day off to take the course, and as a > bonus, they gave us each a free orange/reflective safety vest! These are > pretty thin nylon/plastic(?) mesh things, and look like they would cost > much less than $20. Dunno where to buy them, though. I bought mine at a construction store. It was about $7. Sure it's not fancy, but it is visible, it's what the construction peole at the side of the roads use. I've been using it for about 1.5 years now, no problems. It's tough, it got caught in my zipper more than once and hasn't torn. If if anything ever does happen, I can just get another one for $7. I got it from the construction store off 395, in the Shirlington area. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 12:44:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06796; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17646; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08658; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02854; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 37c5d810; Fri, 16 May 97 09:13:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:11:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37c5d810@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Riding on Military Bases Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >I remember the folks in the air force as being the >most carefree, tolerant, brave, trustworthy, wonderful people around. MUCH >better than the people in those OTHER branches of the service that were >always striving to BE like our guys. But were never quite making it..... :) Yeah, the armed forces do have this security attitude that seems to affect their personnel, the reason that the Air Farce doesn't suffer from this is that they aren't one. :) Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 17 11:06:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24189; Sat, 17 May 1997 11:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28670; Sat, 17 May 1997 11:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25467; Sat, 17 May 1997 11:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (spg-as24s51.erols.com [207.172.37.242]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18774 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 11:05:02 -0400 Message-ID: <337DF2CB.220E@erols.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 11:02:51 -0700 From: "David & Alane O'Neill" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.motorcycles,alt.motorcycle.sportbike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: '93 ZX-11D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Burgandy, essentially the same bike and color as the '96 (everybody asks me if it's a '96). The ride on this bike is incredible. Before the suspension updates, the ride was harsh. Now the ride is really smooth and controlled, really confidence inspiring. Excellent Condition 12.9K miles New (500 miles) Metzler MEZ1/2 tires Race Tech remote resevoir rear shock kit Race Tech Gold Emulators and .95 Kg front fork springs Stainless braided front brake lines w/EBC Green stuff pads Corbin Gunfighter and Lady Saddle Scorpio alarm with pager Tank Bra Factory manual $7,100 Available in N. Virginia/Washington D.C. metro area From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 19 11:25:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10606; Mon, 19 May 1997 11:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19379; Mon, 19 May 1997 11:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tcs_gateway2.treas.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27798; Mon, 19 May 1997 11:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov id AA04321 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 19 May 1997 11:24:01 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Mon, 19 May 1997 11:24:01 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Mon, 19 May 1997 11:24:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:24:47 -0400 Message-Id: <000AD92D.1950@ccmail.irs.gov> From: Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX (Randy Chartier) Subject: Americade anyone???? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Is anyone on the list heading up to Americade??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 19 16:10:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20817; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26578; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25482; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alumni.umbc.edu by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13286; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pverst1@localhost) by alumni.umbc.edu (8.8.5/Alumni) id QAA25539; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) From: The Flying Dutchman Message-Id: <199705192011.QAA25539@alumni.umbc.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kz@XXXXXX Subject: Re: poor running KZ-400D Cc: michaelp@XXXXXX Michael Palmer[SMTP:michaelp@XXXXXX] said: * * I have a friend here in the office with a '75 KZ-400D that is having * problems. He is trying to get this bike to run properly, but it is * stubbornly refusing. * BTW, I have not seen this bike myself yet, just listened to his * stories and offered some advice. * * Symptoms: * The bike will run sometimes. After it has run for a while (~3 miles) * it dies when he tries to accelerate. * The spark plugs are constantly fouling with black soot. * No gas smell in the exhaust when it dies. * It never idles well. * The choke has been checked and cleaned and is not sticking. * The carbs have been cleaned and reassembled, inc. new o-rings, etc. * Spark seems strong (visual observation). * New inline fuel filter. * The tank has been cleaned and cream coated. * The petcock is clean. Gas comes out free and clean to the carbs. * Sounds like the coil is going kaput. The motor gets warm, and things start expanding, including any minute cracks inside the coil. It'll run fine for a while, then start dying out; choke'll help a little, but not for very long at all. The black plugs are a matte color, right. Not glossy at all? Glossy means oil is burning, but I suspect you'd've mentioned the characteristic blue smoke in you list of symptoms. You should be able to take the coil in to get tested, but a cold test will probably pass. A Dyna coil for your bike shouldn't be that expensive; two for my 80 Honda CB650 cost less than 1 C-note. (and I can't sing worth a $#!+) :o Good luck. L8r, P8r. kz-ltd #9 (the dirty dozen) pverst1@XXXXXX =;) "Tao k'o Tao fei ch'ang Tao (Tao called Tao is not Tao)" - Lao-tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 19 16:47:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21552; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26967; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27442; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00467; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jgodfrey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id QAA06551; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:52:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:52:25 -0400 (EDT) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: The Flying Dutchman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kz@XXXXXX, michaelp@XXXXXX Subject: Re: poor running KZ-400D In-Reply-To: <199705192011.QAA25539@alumni.umbc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You say the spark is strong. When? Has your friend checked the spark after the three-miles-and-it-starts-running-like hell phase? if not, do so. Then check to see if the bike is still running poorly. Second, has he or she checked the valves? Wouldn't hurt. ttfn john thank you for your continued support From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 19 18:06:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23017; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28082; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01870; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17565 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancelot.campus.vt.edu (dam-as7s25.erols.com [207.172.138.152]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09937 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970519173809.006b010c@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: mrubinst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:38:09 +0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mitch Subject: Riding on Military Bases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just to clarify things. Even though the airshow is over... Military personnel are (at their discretion) covered by Services Group Life Insurance. Which basically means that if they get killed, in combat or otherwise, their next of kin gets 200,000 bucks. If that military person gets killed on their bike, on base or otherwise, and they are NOT wearing their reflective vest, then the SGLI will not be honored. That's the reflective vest thing. Also, for all you military people out there. Go to your safety NCO/Officer and register your motorcycle with them. They will issue you a free reflective vest. Nifty, huh? Mitch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 19 19:28:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24142; Mon, 19 May 1997 19:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29097; Mon, 19 May 1997 19:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05441; Mon, 19 May 1997 19:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03972; Mon, 19 May 1997 19:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.177.25.196]) by mail.his.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA02930 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 19:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970519192754.0073adf0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:27:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: poor running KZ-400D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:11 PM 5/19/97 -0400, somebody wrote: >Michael Palmer[SMTP:michaelp@XXXXXX] said: >* Symptoms: >* The bike will run sometimes. After it has run for a while (~3 miles) >* it dies when he tries to accelerate. >* The spark plugs are constantly fouling with black soot. >* No gas smell in the exhaust when it dies. >* It never idles well. >* The choke has been checked and cleaned and is not sticking. >* The carbs have been cleaned and reassembled, inc. new o-rings, etc. >* Spark seems strong (visual observation). >* New inline fuel filter. >* The tank has been cleaned and cream coated. >* The petcock is clean. Gas comes out free and clean to the carbs. I'm always a little dubious of statements that the carbs "have been cleaned." When I was working at the motorcycle shop in college a lot of bikes came in to the shop that had alledgly had their carbs clean. I would find partially restricted slow speed jets, torn vacuum & accel pump diaphragms etc. Cleaning modern carbs is not an simple task. For example, were the fuel screws removed and idle circuit flow checked? I'm not saying this to state it is difficult, or trying to discourage a shade tree mechanic, but I can't tell you the number of people who think carb cleaning is just cleaning the bowels & blowing thru the main jets. That said, the symptoms described are consistent with float valves that are hanging up intermittently & a restricted idle or slow speed circuit that is cause by foreign debris in the carb. Do the carbs have a manual slide or are they CV's? Are the carbs equipped with a "choke" or an "enrichener"? There is a difference in both the cause & effect of problems associated with same. How long did the bike sit with gas in it? Stephen (who has more time on his hands to do contribute to DC-cycles since he cut 1/2 thru his leg with a chain saw) Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 19 21:42:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25405; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01372; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10701; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as5s02.erols.com [207.172.33.2]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15138 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970519214251.006a6f00@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:42:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Poor running KZ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recently picked up a KZ-550 (cheap) from a past DC resident and it has the exact same problem. Started great when I added new battery and plugs, ran fine for about fifteen miles, then bluggh... It started running as if the charging system had gone kaput and the bike ran well until the battery was drained. My theories are either the charging system or the coil. Both of which could produce the problems I have. For yours, if the battery is staying charged, I would lean towards the coil. I haven't been able to check mine out, since the next time I tried to start it, the starter was frozen. Opened it up and am amazed that it ever started the first time. About half the stator was disentigrated. And with no money to put into second/third bikes, it still sits in the garage pending....(new baby and a GSXR eat up all the cash) Just my $.02 _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 21 11:28:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24930; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25770; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07681; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02013; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA13041; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:31:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:31:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: The Flying Dutchman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kz@XXXXXX, michaelp@XXXXXX Subject: Re: poor running KZ-400D In-Reply-To: <199705192011.QAA25539@alumni.umbc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Too many possibilities here to make a confident diagnosis. I would check (1) spark timing (if this bike has points) (2) carbs (especially if the bike has been sitting for a few months), as the most likely source(s). Less likely, but easy to check and thus worth doing first, are (3) dirty/clogged air filter or blocked air intake? (4) right spark plug? and (5) coil working? --garcia On Mon, 19 May 1997, The Flying Dutchman wrote: > Michael Palmer[SMTP:michaelp@XXXXXX] said: > * > * I have a friend here in the office with a '75 KZ-400D that is having > * problems. He is trying to get this bike to run properly, but it is > * stubbornly refusing. > * BTW, I have not seen this bike myself yet, just listened to his > * stories and offered some advice. > * > * Symptoms: > * The bike will run sometimes. After it has run for a while (~3 miles) > * it dies when he tries to accelerate. > * The spark plugs are constantly fouling with black soot. > * No gas smell in the exhaust when it dies. > * It never idles well. > * The choke has been checked and cleaned and is not sticking. > * The carbs have been cleaned and reassembled, inc. new o-rings, etc. > * Spark seems strong (visual observation). > * New inline fuel filter. > * The tank has been cleaned and cream coated. > * The petcock is clean. Gas comes out free and clean to the carbs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 21 15:36:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03703; Wed, 21 May 1997 15:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00351; Wed, 21 May 1997 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minet.marriott.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28614; Wed, 21 May 1997 15:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mih.marriott.com by minet.marriott.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41933; Wed, 21 May 1997 15:33:26 -0400 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.marriott.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA864243611; Wed, 21 May 97 15:40:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9705218642.AA864243611@ccmail.marriott.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Wed, 21 May 97 15:38:11 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouzbakht" To: Subject: 2 U2 tickets for 5/26 @7:30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you or anyone you know is interested, let me know. The tickets are $55 each in Row 11, Seat 19+20, Sec. 318 They are very good seats, if you don't know RFK stadium pretty well. I will not be able to make it myself cause I'm taking a ride to the beach with 9 other bikers. Mehran@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 21 17:33:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06275; Wed, 21 May 1997 17:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02469; Wed, 21 May 1997 17:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05294; Wed, 21 May 1997 17:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA07603; Wed, 21 May 1997 17:38:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:38:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: parts wanted, parts available Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wanted: front end (or, preferably, entire parts bike) for Yamaha Seca 550, ca 1982. Air filter, speedo cable, maybe intake manifolds for KZ-440 Ltd. Left side cover for 1980 Suzuki 550-L (sort of equilateral triangle shape) Ignition switch from any RD250-400 Yamaha (for the stolen/recovered one) Available: Front end from Honda 750 F, ca 1980 Some electrics (mostly Suzuki) Brake pads for a fair number of 1970-1983 bikes Lots of odds and ends --garcia "The Law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor from stealing bread, begging in the streets, and sleeping under bridges." [Anatole France] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 22 13:10:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20251; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15572; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14929; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 160.marasconewton.com ([38.245.184.160]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00150 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:08:40 -0400 Message-ID: <33847F72.477@erols.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:16:34 -0400 From: Bryndyn Weiner Reply-To: rzbean@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Progessive Insurance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody got a number for Progressive Insurance? Please supply. Thanks, Bryndyn Weiner email: rzbean@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 22 13:42:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20677; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16030; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cagw2.att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16589; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.dcn.att.com by caig2.att.att.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.2 sol2) id NAA17531; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:49:29 -0400 Received: from dulles.UUCP by internet.dcn.att.com with UUCP id AA21367 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles); Thu, 22 May 1997 13:39:47 -0400 Received: from dulles by dulles; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:40 EDT Received: by dulles with Microsoft Mail id <33848515@dulles>; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:40:37 EDT From: "Carver, John" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Subscribe Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:39:00 EDT Message-Id: <33848515@dulles> Encoding: 5 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text I would like to subscribe to your mailing list. --John jcarver@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 22 13:45:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20703; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16063; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16670; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA06633; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <3384B029@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 May 97 13:44:25 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: Bryndyn Weiner , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Progessive Insurance Date: Thu, 22 May 97 13:41:00 PDT Message-ID: <3384B029@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Why do you want to use those rapists? There prices are terribly high. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >Anybody got a number for Progressive Insurance? Please supply. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 22 13:45:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20708; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16089; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16676; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by msexchange.calibresys.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC66B6.7C8EDDF0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 May 1997 13:46:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'Bryndyn Weiner'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Progessive Insurance Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:46:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT Try 1-800-888-7764 Amit ---------- From: Bryndyn Weiner[SMTP:rzbean@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 1997 1:17 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Progessive Insurance Anybody got a number for Progressive Insurance? Please supply. Thanks, Bryndyn Weiner email: rzbean@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 22 15:47:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22571; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nemo.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18036; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nemo.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01666; Thu, 22 May 1997 19:46:32 GMT Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:46:32 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) Message-Id: <199705221946.TAA01666@nemo.cs.umd.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Progessive Insurance bw == Bryndyn Weiner writes: bw> Anybody got a number for Progressive Insurance? Please supply. 1-800-377-2925 gd == "Dysart, Glenn B." replies: gd> Why do you want to use those rapists? There prices are terribly high. I definitely have to disagree with this statement, tho' I only carry liability and not comprehensive. I have five of my motorcycles covered with Progressive: '82 CBX, '82 GS850, '79 CX500, '76 RE5, '72 H2. Coverage levels are 20K/40K bodily injury (BI), 10K property damage (PD), 20K/40K un(der)insured motorist BI and 10K un(der)insured motorist PD ($250 deduct on UM/PD only). Total bill for all five bikes is $261 per year. I know _I_ don't consider these prices "terribly high." Of course, I'm also not considered a high risk rider: 36 yr old, 17 yr experience, clean record, MSF discount, AMA discount, multibike discount... Not to imply that Glenn _is_ a high risk rider, mind you... ;-) YMMV. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! 4 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 7 Suzukis +----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 22 16:35:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23141; Thu, 22 May 1997 16:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19304; Thu, 22 May 1997 16:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25137; Thu, 22 May 1997 16:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tgimer.smart.net (a2p44dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.76]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26010 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 16:36:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199705222036.QAA26010@gemini.smart.net> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:33:28 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Organization: Little or No Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Progessive Insurance References: <199705221946.TAA01666@nemo.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Bill wrote: > > bw == Bryndyn Weiner writes: > bw> Anybody got a number for Progressive Insurance? Please supply. > > 1-800-377-2925 > > gd == "Dysart, Glenn B." replies: > gd> Why do you want to use those rapists? There prices are terribly high. > > I definitely have to disagree with this statement, tho' I only carry > liability and not comprehensive. I have five of my motorcycles covered > with Progressive: '82 CBX, '82 GS850, '79 CX500, '76 RE5, '72 H2. Coverage > levels are 20K/40K bodily injury (BI), 10K property damage (PD), 20K/40K > un(der)insured motorist BI and 10K un(der)insured motorist PD ($250 deduct > on UM/PD only). Total bill for all five bikes is $261 per year. I know > _I_ don't consider these prices "terribly high." Of course, I'm also not > considered a high risk rider: 36 yr old, 17 yr experience, clean record, > MSF discount, AMA discount, multibike discount... Not to imply that Glenn > _is_ a high risk rider, mind you... ;-) YMMV. > > Mr. Bill > -- > Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! > 4 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 7 Suzukis +----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" > AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" I'm with you, Mr. Bill. Two bikes (one dual purpose, one street), liability only, $436/year. 26 years old, single, 15 years experience, dirty record, MSF, AMA. Also, Progressive has a convenient online method for checking your account status; and the claims people have been helpful (they also insure my truck). -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX '90 XR600R '93 XR250R '94 ZX-6E AMA#549096 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 22 18:03:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24511; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22302; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29907; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as3s21.erols.com [207.172.111.148]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17794 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970522180420.006addb0@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:04:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Progressive insurance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've heard they are pretty steep (similar thread on Suzuki-L list right now), but have never dealt with them after they quoted me $2k/yr for liability on a 93 GSXR750 (clean record). I have been pretty loyal to State Farm for many years with nothing but happiness. I am 24, Married, one claim, and pay only $27/month for full coverage on my aforementioned GSXR. My deductibles are $250 for comprehensive, $500 for collision (if it falls over, you can bet it exceeds $500 to repair :) and my coverage is 50/100/50. For some reason, State Farm doesn't car what the model is, only the displacement. I pay the same for my GSXR750 as someone similar riding a CB750 (I bet that makes someone unhappy :) The only catch is that you have to have your cage insured by them too. Then again, the rates for that are excellent too. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 22 18:41:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25031; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22677; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01918; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.177.25.196]) by mail.his.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA21790; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970522184039.00733450@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:41:00 -0400 To: rzbean@XXXXXX, DC Cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Progessive Insurance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:16 PM 5/22/97 -0400, Bryndyn Weiner wrote: >Anybody got a number for Progressive Insurance? Please supply. > >Thanks, >Bryndyn Weiner email: rzbean@XXXXXX >"It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." >RZ350, CB-1 800 AUTO PRO Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 22 19:01:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25229; Thu, 22 May 1997 19:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA23221; Thu, 22 May 1997 19:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02726; Thu, 22 May 1997 19:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id SAA10264; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <3384F978@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 May 97 18:57:12 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'mike@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Progessive Insurance Date: Thu, 22 May 97 18:53:00 PDT Message-ID: <3384F978@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Well, you're paying a lot more than I am from the rapists. I have just about your same stats (single, age, experience, record, etc.) with only one bike (no multi discount) and I just renewed for $166 year. My current policy is with Universal Underwriters Insurance Company, Recreational Products Insurance Division. Hey Mike (who I originally flamed), their number is (800) 238-2446. I have been with these guys since 88. Actually, these guys took over for a local place that used to be called Cycle Insurance. I'm sure some of you had them. When I first got the policy I was 18 and had multiple tickets. So much so that I could hardly find anyone to give me insurance for my cage. These guys then were only $225 year. Since I have had them there price one year was down to $125 and since then its creeped up several dollars a year (last year was $164). I even tried Rider magazines insurance deal. You have to subscribe to the mag to get the insurance. They claim to have some of lowest cost insurance in the country. Their price was still about $75 more then what I pay. Just my .02 Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna ---------- >Two bikes (one dual purpose, one street), liability only, $436/year. 26 >years old, single, 15 years experience, dirty record, MSF, AMA. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 05:31:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA01433; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA05022; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA17331; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id FAA17912 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:30:27 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma017908; Fri, 23 May 97 05:30:23 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id FAA05122 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA864380043; Fri, 23 May 97 05:34:06 -0500 Message-Id: <9705238643.AA864380043@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 23 May 97 05:29:35 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: argh.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I changed e-mail addresses, and need to resubscribe, but I can't find the www page I used the first time. Yes, I did keep the original subscription letter, but it was destroyed with my old account (quite suddenly and unexpected). So.. if someone could be so kind as to forward the information to me. (so I don't get tons of return e-mails, only send something if time is before 12-midnight, May 23rd, 1997. Thanks Kindly.. Brian vf500f -scrappy (scrapey?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 05:37:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA01460; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA05251; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.nmaa.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA17503; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucas.m ([204.91.49.30]) by mail.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA215 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:38:50 -0400 Message-ID: <33858144.478C@nmaa.org> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 05:36:36 -0700 From: lucas.m@XXXXXX (Mark Lucas) Reply-To: lucas.m@XXXXXX Organization: National Multimedia Association of America X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Progessive Insurance References: <3384F978@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys and gals.....if you're not an AMA member, then you're not getting the additional 10% off your Progressive insurance..... 1-800-AMA-JOIN You're also not helping them protect our right to ride. You can check them out at http://www.ama-cycle.org. (was this a shameless plug or what?) -- Peace, Mark Lucas http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm PGP Public Key available on request From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 07:47:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02165; Fri, 23 May 1997 07:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06322; Fri, 23 May 1997 07:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22405; Fri, 23 May 1997 07:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (spg-as11s42.erols.com [207.172.34.169]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA15601; Fri, 23 May 1997 07:47:01 -0400 Message-ID: <33858374.55E5@erols.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 07:45:56 -0400 From: john schaaf X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Progressive insurance References: <3.0.1.32.19970522180420.006addb0@mail.geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > I've heard they are pretty steep (similar thread on Suzuki-L list right > now), but have never dealt with them after they quoted me $2k/yr for > I don't want to start a falme war, i.e., geico but, my rate with progressive for my VFR is $523.00/yr, 300/300/300, collison and theft. Even filed a claim with them two years ago for a totaled ST1100 and one speeding violation. No rate increase at all. john schaaf '92 vfr750f ps. maybe colin the difference is age, i'm 44 and have been riding for 26 years. my two cents From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 09:17:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02855; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nemo.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08015; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nemo.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03419; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:17:26 GMT Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:17:26 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) Message-Id: <199705231317.NAA03419@nemo.cs.umd.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Progressive insurance john schaaf writes: > ps. maybe colin the difference is age, ... Another point that hasn't been mentioned yet is where you live. I've seen significant differences in insurance just by citing a couple zip codes one way or the other. I'm sure part of why my rates are so low is because I live out in the boonies. They were higher when I lived in Temple Hills or Greenbelt than when I was in Accokeek or Fallston. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! 4 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 7 Suzukis +----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 09:23:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02947; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08312; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25659; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA17480; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA32595; Fri, 23 May 1997 08:21:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA17069; Fri, 23 May 1997 08:21:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: cb750 , "Dysart, Glenn B." CC: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "'DC Cycles'" , "'mike@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Progessive Insurance X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970523132138.AAA17069@localHost> <> >Well, you're paying a lot more than I am from the rapists. I have just >about your same stats (single, age, experience, record, etc.) with only >one bike (no multi discount) and I just renewed for $166 year. My >current policy is with Universal Underwriters Insurance Company, >Recreational Products Insurance Division. Hey Mike (who I originally > <> I agree 100% with Glenn. I was with progressive back in '83 paying $180~ for a '73 cb350 w/just simple liability. That bike was sold and I eventually got back into mc's, buying a used '83 VT500. Progressive only B**tF**ked me for $225~, simple liablity. When I bought (new) my CB750 from (the dreaded) Coleman Powersport, they introduced me to Recreational Products. I've been w/them since. I now pay $600/yr for full coverage and 100/300k liability plus uninsured motorists coverage on a CB750 and an ST1100. If I were with those fisters at progressive, I'm sure it would be closer to $1000. Todd 35, single, dirty rec., one claim ever. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 09:35:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03172; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08626; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26359; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:35:50 -0400 (EDT) From: ChrisHMann@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA01913 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970523093513_1123989289@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Progressive insurance In a message dated 5/23/97 9:24:52 AM, leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) wrote: >john schaaf writes: >> ps. maybe colin the difference is age, ... > >Another point that hasn't been mentioned yet is where you live. I've seen >significant differences in insurance just by citing a couple zip codes one >way or the other. I'm sure part of why my rates are so low is because I >live out in the boonies. They were higher when I lived in Temple Hills or >Greenbelt than when I was in Accokeek or Fallston. > >Mr. Bill zip makes a BIG difference....i got my 82 seca 550, in charlottesville, got insurance thru progressive, full coverage for $183 a year. Then i moved to arlington and they bumped the rate to $750 a year. Needless to say, i switched over to my car's insurance company (USAA), now only pay $135 a year. -chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 09:39:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03182; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08659; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inside.sinai-balt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26407; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c2smtp.sinai-balt.com (sinai-balt.com) by inside.sinai-balt.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00150; Fri, 23 May 97 09:38:13 EDT Received: from fonger-portable.sinai-balt.com (21.120.63.92) by c2smtp.sinai-balt.com (Connect2-SMTP 4.20A.00001E1); Fri, 23 May 1997 09:37:36 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970523093914.0068b8b0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:39:14 -0400 To: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Progressive insurance Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199705231317.NAA03419@nemo.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just bought a new BMW. Allstate quoted $1800 per year compared to Progressive's $520 for full coverage 500/500 with $250 deductable and AMA discount. Harry Bethesda '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (stolen) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 09:54:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03408; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09003; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27149; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (spg-as11s42.erols.com [207.172.34.169]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29925 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:53:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3385A127.4BF4@erols.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:52:39 -0400 From: john schaaf X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: insurance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit to all listers, if you think your insurance is too high there is a solution. I know of several people who have "blacklisted bikes" and pay very low rates. How they do it is to get the insurance company to insure them not the bikes or cars that they drive. several insurance companies offer this type of liability insurance. Ask your company if they offer this type of service. john Schaaf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 10:09:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03593; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09214; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27834; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA08038; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:08:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA22806; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA31667; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:08:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dchoat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) CC: cb750 , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Re[2]: Progessive Insurance X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970523140843.AAA31667@localHost> Dave wrote: > Where is Recreational Products? I want to get a quote from them! > > Dave > > David Choat, Visionary > '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX > "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you > damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, > the duty to take the consequences." > PJ O'Rourke Dave, They have a web page: http://www.uuic.com/ Also, the number I use for customer service is 1-800-238-2446. Do check them out! Until later, Todd '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' [---------------------------STOC #487----------------------------]] "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it would be no life at all" -- Hans Hass "Who bravely dares must sometimes risk a fall." --Tobias G. Smollett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 10:13:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03623; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09304; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27925; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA08445 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:12:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA05836 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:12:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA18925 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:12:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970523141224.AAA18925@localHost> >to all listers, > >if you think your insurance is too high there is a solution. I know of >several people who have "blacklisted bikes" and pay very low rates. How >they do it is to get the insurance company to insure them not the bikes >or cars that they drive. > >several insurance companies offer this type of liability insurance. Ask >your company if they offer this type of service. > >john Schaaf Now John, this is a good idea! Of course If anyone is considering this, take a long look at your bike first. If you can't, go for it;^) Until later, Todd '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' [---------------------------STOC #487----------------------------]] "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it would be no life at all" -- Hans Hass "Who bravely dares must sometimes risk a fall." --Tobias G. Smollett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 11:53:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04803; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11497; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02963; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp67.visuallink.com [206.151.68.227]) by visuallink.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04353 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:55:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3385E73D.2ED1@visuallink.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 11:51:41 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Progressive insurance References: <3.0.1.32.19970522180420.006addb0@mail.geocities.com> <33858374.55E5@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit john schaaf wrote: > > I don't want to start a falme war, i.e., geico but, my rate with !@#$%GEICO...don't get me started! Let's not forget THEIR (and probably many others) nasty little habit of supplying state and local law enforcement agencies with thousands of FREE RADAR UNITS each year. Let's see...THEY supply the radar...the cops give us speeding tickets...THEY use the tickets as an excuse to screw us with more exorbitant rate increases...after paying the ticket. Of course, I believe their argument is something like "we are capable of screwing the masses, therefore, WE MUST SCREW THE MASSES! Geez, I feel better now. ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 12:31:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05330; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12499; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04797; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id MAA04894 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <3385EFA3@XXXXXX>; Fri, 23 May 97 12:27:31 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Progressive insurance Date: Fri, 23 May 97 12:25:00 PDT Message-ID: <3385EFA3@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 While we are talking about those f**ksticks at GEICO. They also give away laser units. When you have a claim, they try to push off cheap parts instead of OEM. Even on vehicles that are only 1 and 2 years old. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >!@#$%GEICO...don't get me started! Let's not forget THEIR (and probably >many others) nasty little habit of supplying state and local law >enforcement agencies with thousands of FREE RADAR UNITS each year. Let's see...THEY supply the radar...the cops give us speeding tickets...THEY use the tickets as an excuse to screw us with more exorbitant rate increases...after paying the ticket. Of course, I believe their argument is something like "we are capable of screwing the masses, therefore, WE MUST SCREW THE MASSES! Geez, I feel better now. ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 13:07:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05768; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13055; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06876; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (spg-as11s42.erols.com [207.172.34.169]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22520; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:07:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3385CE81.2025@erols.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:06:09 -0400 From: john schaaf X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B." CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Progressive insurance References: <3385EFA3@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B. wrote: > > While we are talking about those f**ksticks at GEICO. now folks, if memory serves me right we have all been down the geico road before. let's consider that and stop the geico thread. been there and done that, as all of us on the dc list have. i mentioned geico because the general topic of insurance is akin to child abuse on this list- people become downright mean. it seems that when i said that i didn't want to start a flame war i started one anyway. let's hope that we can all respond to an insurance question in a manner which reflects a kinder and gentler approach. which leaves me with a question, why is insurance so personal? the answer never fails to allude me. i mean, if i don't like pepsi, i won't by it. and, if someone asks me about my opinion on pepsi i'm sure not to repsond by saying those "fucksticks". if i don't like an insurance company i don't insure with them. enough said, From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 13:37:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06206; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13885; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08163; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA05456; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <3385FFC6@XXXXXX>; Fri, 23 May 97 13:36:22 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: john schaaf Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Progressive insurance Date: Fri, 23 May 97 13:33:00 PDT Message-ID: <3385FFC6@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 You seem quite sure that EVERYONE has used GEICO. Maybe they haven't. In this case I think its worth warning people about their bad practices. I think its unfair to try and compare a 50 cent soda to insurance which you could be paying hundreds or maybe thousands of dollars difference not to mention the hidden things you may or may not know about. If someone has had a bad experience with some business that I might deal with in the future I would like to know about so that maybe I could avoid that company. With all that said I think insurance CAN be PERSONAL. Why? Because no one likes to get screwed and it seems that insurance companies do it all the time. Hell, I've only be screwed once by Coca-Cola. That was when they got ride of the Original formula. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >now folks, if memory serves me right we have all been down the geico >road before. let's consider that and stop the geico thread. been there >and done that, as all of us on the dc list have. i mentioned geico >because the general topic of insurance is akin to child abuse on this l>which leaves me with a question, why is insurance so personal? the >answer never fails to allude me. i mean, if i don't like pepsi, i won't From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 13:40:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06238; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13971; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08504; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jgodfrey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA21052; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:45:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:45:50 -0400 (EDT) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Progessive Insurance In-Reply-To: <3384F978@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hate to be overly sensative, but here I go. I am a little distressed by the cavalier use of the term "rapist." Kind of a touchy subject for me. ta john thank you for your continued support From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 13:57:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06417; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14399; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09124; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alumni.umbc.edu by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01409; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pverst1@localhost) by alumni.umbc.edu (8.8.5/Alumni) id NAA19692 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:58:58 -0400 (EDT) From: The Flying Dutchman Message-Id: <199705231758.NAA19692@alumni.umbc.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Progressive insurance "Dysart, Glenn B." , said: * * You seem quite sure that EVERYONE has used GEICO. Maybe they haven't. * In this case I think its worth warning people about their bad practices. * I think its unfair to try and compare a 50 cent soda to insurance which * you could be paying hundreds or maybe thousands of dollars difference not * to mention the hidden things you may or may not know about. If someone * has had a bad experience with some business that I might deal with in the * future I would like to know about so that maybe I could avoid that * company. With all that said I think insurance CAN be PERSONAL. Why? * Because no one likes to get screwed and it seems that insurance * companies do it all the time. Hell, I've only be screwed once by * Coca-Cola. That was when they got ride of the Original formula. * It's only that the Geico thing resurfaces rather often; be it in a motorcycle or cage discussion. That's all. I'll take yet another opportunity to plug Dairyland; I'm 29, single :(, insured for 4 years so far, paying about $85/year for full-time coverage. Started out at around $125/year for liability-only on my 80 Honda CB650C, and has steadily gone down each year. Never made a claim, and they didn't make a fuss about my 2 speeding convictions. Needless to say, I haven't had a chance to test their customer-service and claims departments, and I'd like to keep it that way. :) The year-round coverage is a real bonus for me. BTW, I've been drinking RC ever since that fateful summer of, '84 was it? L8r, P8r. pverst1@XXXXXX =;) "Tao k'o Tao fei ch'ang Tao (Tao called Tao is not Tao)" - Lao-tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 14:21:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06857; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14744; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10300; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (spg-as11s42.erols.com [207.172.34.169]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29813 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:21:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3385DFE6.4A6F@erols.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:20:22 -0400 From: john schaaf X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe dc-cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 14:32:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07014; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14885; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11015; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tgimer.smart.net (a2p25dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.57]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16116; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:34:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199705231834.OAA16116@gemini.smart.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:32:04 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Organization: Little or No Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Progessive Insurance References: <3384F978@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B. wrote: > > Well, you're paying a lot more than I am from the rapists. I have just > about your same stats (single, age, experience, record, etc.) with only > one bike (no multi discount) and I just renewed for $166 year. My I haven't been able to find insurance for under $768 (yes, liability only for one bike--from any company) for the past 8 years. That should at least paint a picture of how I look to insurance companies. Now I've got two bikes insured for less than $450. Needless to say, I am quite pleased with Progressive. :-) -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX '90 XR600R '93 XR250R '94 ZX-6E AMA#549096 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 14:51:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07520; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15281; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from umailsrv0.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12544; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iwr1winslow ([155.75.107.173]) by umailsrv0.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02537 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970523145343.098f6d86@umailsrv0.umd.edu> X-Sender: ew52@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:53:43 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: Progessive Insurance In-Reply-To: <199705231834.OAA16116@gemini.smart.net> References: <3384F978@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just to add another one to this for what it's worth. I've been with GEICO for car and motorcycle (only motorcycle at the moment) for over 5 years and have been pleased with rates and service. (Car was stolen in Philadelphia.) The full coverage on my bike has been dropping in price nicely each year. I went to Progressive for a quote when I bought my Suzuki GS500E, but they wanted to treat that bike as a sportbike with the higher rates that goes along with such a designation (they didn't treat a Seca II as a sportbike!?). GEICO, on the other hand, at least had the good sense to treat the GS500E as the standard motorcycle that it is. This is an experience that might be helpful for someone. Eric M. Winslow 1-800-AMA-JOIN At 02:32 PM 5/23/97 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >Dysart, Glenn B. wrote: >> >> Well, you're paying a lot more than I am from the rapists. I have just >> about your same stats (single, age, experience, record, etc.) with only >> one bike (no multi discount) and I just renewed for $166 year. My > >I haven't been able to find insurance for under $768 (yes, liability >only for one bike--from any company) for the past 8 years. That should >at least paint a picture of how I look to insurance companies. Now I've >got two bikes insured for less than $450. Needless to say, I am quite >pleased with Progressive. :-) > > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > >'90 XR600R '93 XR250R '94 ZX-6E AMA#549096 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 15:46:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08375; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15786; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15299; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:45:53 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA12981 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970523154521_-2033601626@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 I'm looking for a new bike (Suzuki Marauder) and I would like to know if anyon e has purchased a new bike recently from Freestate Cycles on Route 1 in Bladensburg? If so, what did you think of the transaction and customer service? Anyone have any particularly strong impressions of interaction with them (sales, service, etc.). Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 16:06:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08693; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16212; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alau.al.mt.np.els-gms.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16313; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:01:26 -0500 From: lvarouxis@XXXXXX (Lisa G. Varouxis) Received: from lvarouxis by attmail; Fri May 23 20:04:04 GMT 1997 Phone: +1 703 277 3927 Fax-Phone: +1 703 277 3976 Subject: Ride to Work Day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cmaretzky@XXXXXX (Charles H Maretzky), jcagney@XXXXXX (Jane G Cagney), mnehmsmann@XXXXXX (Michael E Nehmsmann), Neweiss@XXXXXX, pbritt@XXXXXX, sullivan@XXXXXX, schichester@XXXXXX (Steve E Chichester), tormond@XXXXXX, tritondo@XXXXXX, shackleford@XXXXXX (Walt I Shackleford), wkellar@XXXXXX (Wayne C Kellar), shoresdw@XXXXXX X-MAPI-Message-ID: 0000000085AF9D2C4175D011A8A9080009BB5E34A4F32000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_3385f881.2370.1_alaumail.att.net=_" Message-ID: > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. --_3385f881.2370.1_alaumail.att.net=_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wednesday, July 16 is Work to Ride/Ride to Work day. This annual event encourages motorcyclists around the world to bring their bikes to work to raise public awareness of the sport. Just thought I'd give you an early heads up! 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Winslow" Subject: Re: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 In-Reply-To: <970523154521_-2033601626@emout04.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I bought my 93 GS500E there two and a half years ago and found all interactions with them with buying the bike to be pleasant. The parts department has been helpful and friendly whenever I needed something. One thing that has kept me away from them for servicing the bike (I do most of the basic stuff myself) is the slow turn around time. They've wanted to keep my bike too long for most jobs and sometimes were unable to give me a firm idea of when I'd get my bike back. A seal replacement under warranty also took an interminably long time as they waited for the gasket to be sent by Suzuki. They should have had that part sent overnight right at the start. As it was I was without the bike for over a week for a simple gasket replacement. I expect one day turnaround times for motorcycle work just as it is with almost all auto shops. I now take my bike to the Dirt Shop in College Park when I don't feel like doing the job or don't have the knowledge or time. Eric M. Winslow 1-800-AMA-JOIN At 03:45 PM 5/23/97 -0400, FakeTree@XXXXXX wrote: >I'm looking for a new bike (Suzuki Marauder) and I would like to know if anyon >e has purchased a new bike recently from Freestate Cycles on Route 1 in >Bladensburg? If so, what did you think of the transaction and customer >service? Anyone have any particularly strong impressions of interaction with >them (sales, service, etc.). Thanks. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 18:20:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10838; Fri, 23 May 1997 18:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18895; Fri, 23 May 1997 18:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23270; Fri, 23 May 1997 18:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: ISOcredo@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA10324 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 23 May 1997 18:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 18:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970523181953_-129359653@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: harley dealers O.k., so there are about a million beautiful Harleys in town this weekend for the Run to the Wall or whatever it is and I'm thinking I should just quit being so damn stubborn and buy one like everyone else. A Dyna Convertible (or, if I'm sensible, a Super Glide) is starting to look pretty good. Anyone have any experiences, positive or negative, you'd like to share about buying a Harley in the DC area? Any knowledge about which shops sell at more or less MSRP, and which shops gouge shamelessly? Anybody know what the wait is for Dynas around here? Anyone know of a place I can actually look at one, other than a catalog? Anyone know if it's true that they make you get a tattoo before they let you get the bike? Thanks for any info! --Linda '96 Virago 535 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 19:17:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11315; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20223; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25565; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbass.clark.net (kbass.clark.net [207.97.11.146]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA10819; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: kbass@XXXXXX (Ken Bass) To: ISOcredo@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: harley dealers Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:12:51 GMT Message-ID: <33892412.1260250@168.143.0.10> References: <970523181953_-129359653@emout04.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <970523181953_-129359653@emout04.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 23 May 1997 18:19:55 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >O.k., so there are about a million beautiful Harleys in town this weekend for >the Run to the Wall or whatever it is and I'm thinking I should just quit >being so damn stubborn and buy one like everyone else. A Dyna Convertible >(or, if I'm sensible, a Super Glide) is starting to look pretty good. Save your money and buy a Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic. In fact, I run a mailing list for Vulcan owners. vulcan-request@XXXXXX with SUBSCRIBE in the subject to join and ask some questions. With the money you'll save, you can buy lots of other stuff. -- kbass@XXXXXX Software Engineering Consultant VROC #1, '96 Vulcan 1500 Classic, Jefferson, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 23 22:32:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12977; Fri, 23 May 1997 22:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20994; Fri, 23 May 1997 22:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03201; Fri, 23 May 1997 22:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (dialup25.illuminet.net [205.215.55.25]) by server2.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA21397 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 22:44:13 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970524023331.00689c78@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:33:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: harley dealers Linda wrote: >>about a million beautiful Harleys and I should >>buy one like everyone else. Then Ken wrote: > Save your money and buy a Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic. In fact, >With the money you'll save, you can buy lots of other stuff. I have to agree with Ken. With the money I saved by buying a Kawasaki, I was able to put a John Deere green and yellow paint job on mine. The painter hasn't finished yet, but I suspect I might even have enough money left over to buy a milk crate to put on the back. ;-) Sorry I can't help much with the dealer part of the question, but for what it's worth, when I went to the Harley dealer to buy a new chain for my Hondamatic, East Coast in Dumfries said it wouldn't fit, that Harley's were different. Whitt's, the dealer in Manassas was happy to sell the chain I asked for and even gave me a little genuine Harley parts sticker to put on my Honda. I bought the chain from Harley because I couldn't find anyone else open on Sunday. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 24 13:47:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20273; Sat, 24 May 1997 13:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25291; Sat, 24 May 1997 13:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27970; Sat, 24 May 1997 13:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jteitel.clark.net (jteitel@XXXXXX [168.143.16.248]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA22385 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 13:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Teitel Reply-To: Jeffrey Teitel To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Rolling Thunder Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A couple of questions. First, how organized is the Rolling Thunder event? Is there registration and all that hoopla, or is it just 'show up and ride?' Second, is there any plan for us on-line riders to get together? Jeff Teitel DoD# 1365 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 24 14:14:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20458; Sat, 24 May 1997 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25483; Sat, 24 May 1997 14:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28869; Sat, 24 May 1997 14:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA13556 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 11:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC684C.F6E55880@XXXXXX>; Sat, 24 May 1997 14:15:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: FW: Rolling Thunder Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:15:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, forgot to cc the list ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Meier, Christopher >Sent: Saturday, May 24, 1997 2:14 PM >To: 'Jeffrey Teitel' >Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder > >I think it is just show up and ride. > >Speaking of, what time does the ride begin? > >Later, >chris >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > >---------- >From: Jeffrey Teitel[SMTP:jteitel@XXXXXX] >Sent: Saturday, May 24, 1997 1:41 PM >To: DC Cycles Mailing List >Subject: Rolling Thunder > > >A couple of questions. First, how organized is the Rolling Thunder event? >Is there registration and all that hoopla, or is it just 'show up and >ride?' > >Second, is there any plan for us on-line riders to get together? > > > Jeff Teitel > > DoD# 1365 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 24 17:11:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21566; Sat, 24 May 1997 17:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26171; Sat, 24 May 1997 17:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04178; Sat, 24 May 1997 17:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA17662; Sat, 24 May 1997 16:10:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705242110.QAA17662@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Received: from spg-as9s62.erols.com(207.172.34.62) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma017361; Sat May 24 16:06:43 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: DC Cycles Mailing List , Jeffrey Teitel Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:06:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Bill Schmidt" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) > > A couple of questions. First, how organized is the Rolling Thunder event? Not very. > Is there registration and all that hoopla, or is it just 'show up and > ride?' The staging area (starting at 8am) for the noon departure is the Pentagon parking lot. No fuss. Just show up and ride. Bill Schmidt billsch@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 24 19:33:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22555; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26975; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA08630; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA20082; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:33:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id TAA07704; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 19:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705242333.TAA07704@clark.net> To: FakeTree@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 I've always been pleased with every aspect of Freestate. Impressions are all positive. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 24 19:36:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22568; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26989; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA08651; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA20647; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:35:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id TAA08049; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 19:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705242336.TAA08049@clark.net> To: ISOcredo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: harley dealers Bately Cycle in Gaithersburg has lots of Harleys and other esoterica. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 24 21:07:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23048; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27254; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11374; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:07:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA00884; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 21:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970524210611_237593178@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: billsch@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jteitel@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Just for clarification, it's the south parking lot of the pentagon. Lots of bikes....lots of stop and go and stop.... Should be some vendors there, too, selling ride "momentos". I choose not to ride due to the volume of bikes and different riding styles, but to each their own. Watch out for the pedestrians lining the road as you cross the Memorial Bridge and go down Constitution Avenue. Understand the police did not hold them back last year and they came right up to bikers with hands outstretched. I'll be one of the many on the sidelines at the Pentagon as you go up the exit. Ride safely if you decide to ride - it may be wet tomorrow. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 24 21:37:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23198; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27326; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12192; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp54.visuallink.com [206.151.68.214]) by visuallink.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA27317; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3387C137.2E6C@visuallink.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 21:33:59 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX CC: billsch@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jteitel@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder References: <970524210611_237593178@emout07.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX wrote: > > Just for clarification, it's the south parking lot of the pentagon. Lots of > bikes....lots of stop and go and stop.... > My mom and step-father (1 tour Korea, 2 tours Nam) rode it twice on a H-D Heritage Classic. Lisa means it when she says "stop and go and stop." Make sure you've got plenty of clutch when you get there because you'll burn most of it once there! :-) ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 24 22:34:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23612; Sat, 24 May 1997 22:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27566; Sat, 24 May 1997 22:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13900; Sat, 24 May 1997 22:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial41.netsys.hn [207.42.181.3]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA18827; Sat, 24 May 1997 20:31:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3387979B.2A12@netsys.hn> Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:36:27 -0500 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: CURACAO de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SUBSCRIBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SUBSCRIBE From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 25 17:48:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00434; Sun, 25 May 1997 17:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03636; Sun, 25 May 1997 17:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13098; Sun, 25 May 1997 17:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA11771 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 16:47:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA17676 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 16:47:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.177]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA16562 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 16:47:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 17:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970525214709.AAA16562@localHost> If you made it, hope you enjoyed it. later, Todd Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Teitel Reply-To: Jeffrey Teitel To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Rolling Thunder Message-ID: A couple of questions. First, how organized is the Rolling Thunder event? Is there registration and all that hoopla, or is it just 'show up and ride?' Second, is there any plan for us on-line riders to get together? Jeff Teitel DoD# 1365 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 25 17:48:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00444; Sun, 25 May 1997 17:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03645; Sun, 25 May 1997 17:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13131; Sun, 25 May 1997 17:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA11775; Sun, 25 May 1997 16:47:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA18387; Sun, 25 May 1997 16:47:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.177]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB16562; Sun, 25 May 1997 16:47:14 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 17:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: billsch@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jteitel@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970525214709.AAB16562@localHost> Lisa Wrote: >I choose not to ride due to the volume of bikes and different riding styles, >but to each their own. Watch out for the pedestrians lining the road as you >cross the Memorial Bridge and go down Constitution Avenue. Understand the >police did not hold them back last year and they came right up to bikers with >hands outstretched. I'll be one of the many on the sidelines at the Pentagon >as you go up the exit. Aw shucks Lisa, I was hoping to be able and find you in the crowd and say hi :-) The Peds were'nt too terrible, but did anyone chatch that old codger at the turn to Constitution? Man, that guy looked like he wanted to kick each an every bikers ass, one at a time,...Ha! What was his deal? >Ride safely if you decide to ride - it may be wet tomorrow. It was. See-ya, Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 25 22:46:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02897; Sun, 25 May 1997 22:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04358; Sun, 25 May 1997 22:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22888; Sun, 25 May 1997 22:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA28414 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 25 May 1997 22:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 22:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970525224600_-1330842486@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: new member Hey, y'all- I just joined the list. I have an 87 VFR700, which is quite nice, and a 92 VFR750, which I sold a few months ago and just bought back, totalled. So I need parts. Plastic, radiator, left rider peg, shifter, mirrors, brake pedal, probably a bunch of special screws and brackets for the plastic, stuff like that. If anybody has anything for sale (including damaged but repairable parts), or knows of a good junkyard in the area (or out of the area), please let me know. I'm an AMA member, a VFR list member, and an NRA member (as if you care). I shop at Battleys, Cycles USA, Freestate, Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg, and Cycle Accessory Warehouse in College Park, and I like them all. I'm also a student at UMCP, and I live in Potomac MD. My girlfriend, who lives in NC, has a Bandit 400, which is a blast. The 87 VFR used to be hers. Do listers get together for rides? I'd like some more riding buddies. Any 400 Bandit owners? I want to build a 400 Bandit page eventually. Thanks Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 25 23:29:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03188; Sun, 25 May 1997 23:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04600; Sun, 25 May 1997 23:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24036; Sun, 25 May 1997 23:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA27841; Sun, 25 May 1997 23:24:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:11:55 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970525214709.AAB16562@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 25 May 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > Lisa Wrote: > >I choose not to ride due to the volume of bikes and different riding styles, > >but to each their own. Watch out for the pedestrians lining the road as you > >cross the Memorial Bridge and go down Constitution Avenue. Understand the > >police did not hold them back last year and they came right up to bikers with > >hands outstretched. I'll be one of the many on the sidelines at the Pentagon > >as you go up the exit. > Aw shucks Lisa, I was hoping to be able and find you in the crowd and > say hi :-) If you saw a *bright* blaze-orange full-face helmet going through the mess,that was me. Is it just me,or was the ride this year more of a cluster-bang than it was last year?Saw some seriously bad riding,especially given the wet conditions.There also wasn't as many people attending this year;only about half of North Parking was full. > The Peds were'nt too terrible, but did anyone chatch that old codger at the > turn to Constitution? Man, that guy looked like he wanted to kick each an > every bikers ass, one at a time,...Ha! What was his deal? Didn't see him.Was too busy checking out those three cute chicks on Harleys with thin tops and no rain suits. ;-) > >Ride safely if you decide to ride - it may be wet tomorrow. > It was. Yep.Last year and the year before too.Seems like it's a tradition. At least last year it waited till we got to the Wall. At least it was sunny Sat to catch the Blue Angels down at Pax River. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Lightning GATB#1121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 25 23:59:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03374; Sun, 25 May 1997 23:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04817; Sun, 25 May 1997 23:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25064; Sun, 25 May 1997 23:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA28000; Sun, 25 May 1997 23:54:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:39:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: harley dealers To: ISOcredo@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <970523181953_-129359653@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 May 1997 ISOcredo@XXXXXX wrote: > O.k., so there are about a million beautiful Harleys in town this weekend for > the Run to the Wall or whatever it is and I'm thinking I should just quit > being so damn stubborn and buy one like everyone else. A Dyna Convertible > (or, if I'm sensible, a Super Glide) is starting to look pretty good. I demo rode a Covertible.Nice bike.Personally,I'd go with the Super Glide instead.With the money you save you can get a set of bags,a shield, and a proper 4 pot caliper to make up for the lack of a 2nd disk and still have enough left over to put some into the engine. > Anyone have any experiences, positive or negative, you'd like to share about > buying a Harley in the DC area? Any knowledge about which shops sell at more > or less MSRP, and which shops gouge shamelessly? Anybody know what the wait > is for Dynas around here? Anyone know of a place I can actually look at one, > other than a catalog? Anyone know if it's true that they make you get a > tattoo before they let you get the bike? I've bought bikes from both Rockville Harley/Battley Cycles in Rockville and Washington DC Harley/Clinton Cycles in Oxen Hill.Both gouge on prices for Harleys.Examples:Rockville-Sportster Sport;MSRP $8400,their price $10,250.Wash HD-used Dyna Sturgis;worth about $12K,their price $18k.Used prices also tend to be high in this area. On the up side,if you want a Dyna,up at Rockville they have a black Dyna Super Glide w/laced wheels that is being raffled by MD ABATE for $5 a chance.You might want to try your luck. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Lightning GATB#1121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 00:52:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04299; Mon, 26 May 1997 00:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06241; Mon, 26 May 1997 00:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26103; Mon, 26 May 1997 00:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA20162; Mon, 26 May 1997 00:49:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Harry Greenspun To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970524023331.00689c78@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 09:40:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08422; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10049; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cagw1.att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08309; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.dcn.att.com by caig1.att.att.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.2 sol2) id JAA29774; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:33:48 -0400 Received: from dulles.UUCP by internet.dcn.att.com with UUCP id AA02716 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles); Mon, 26 May 1997 09:40:04 -0400 Received: from dulles by dulles; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:40 EDT Received: by dulles with Microsoft Mail id <338992EA@dulles>; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:40:58 EDT From: "Carver, John" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: TICKET!!! Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 09:39:00 EDT Message-Id: <338992EA@dulles> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text A friend of mine told me to post my original e-mail to the D.C. cycles list as some of you out there may have some advice. The most pressing question is: Should I invest in a lawyer? (I've had a mixed response to this) I'm already enrolled in a defensive driving course in N.J. to hopefully prove to the judge in VA that this was an isolated incident. How likely is the judge to drop the reckless charge? --John jcarver@XXXXXX I was out riding yesterday by Washington VA. I was nailed with a capital "N". I was clocked at 85 in a 55. Woe is me. (Stupid is me) Since I have an out of state license I'm not exactly sure what is going to happen or what the best course of action is. I'm going to call and see what the fine is and how many points it is. What's annoying is on the ticket it lists reckless driving and speeding. Duh?? Well, I've seen worse driving on the beltway but . . . . What do you think??!! --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 10:07:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08617; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10426; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09056; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from overload.nova.org (overload.elkrun.nova.org [208.218.26.231]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03221; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 04:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini Reply-To: Thomas Piergallini To: "Carver, John" cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: TICKET!!! In-Reply-To: <338992EA@dulles> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 26 May 1997, Carver, John wrote: > I was out riding yesterday by Washington VA. I was nailed with a > capital > "N". I was clocked at 85 in a 55. Woe is me. (Stupid is me) Since I have > an out of state license I'm not exactly sure what is going to happen or what > the best course of action is. I'm going to call and see what the fine is > and > how many points it is. What's annoying is on the ticket it lists reckless > driving and speeding. Duh?? Well, I've seen worse driving on the beltway > but . . . . That depends. what are the other citations? Is it speeding only (+30) or did the officer also cite you with wreckless driving? It is not automatic, he still has to site you. with a wreckless citation, you have no choice but to go to court with lawyers and all that stuff. The lawyer will get it knocked down to some lesser charge, you will pay lots of money, but be on your merry way. if it is speeding only, pay the fine. Your state has little chance of having a resceprosity with VA, so things really should not show up on your record there. -p -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 10:24:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08744; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10657; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09791; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.30A; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:22:04 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:18:17 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("dc-cycles@XXXXXX") Subject: Re: TICKET!!! Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway AFAIK, the points don't follow you to NJ. You'd only get points if the infraction took place in your home state or if the offense were vehicular manslaughter, etc. The fine, however, will. You may want to contest the ticket if you feel you were innocent of the charges and have time to travel to Virginia to appear before a judge. If you are enrolled in a driving course in NJ, you should know this already. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 10:44:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08881; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10916; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10422; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA02514 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 07:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC69C1.FCB5AAA0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:45:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "'Adams, Bill'" Subject: RE: TICKET!!! Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:45:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know about NJ, but ... I got two speeding tickets in last 3-5 years ( both in a cage). The points did hit my VA license from both the ticket I got in MD and the ticket I got in NC. Just an FYI. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Adams, Bill[SMTP:badams@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, May 26, 1997 10:18 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: TICKET!!! > >AFAIK, the points don't follow you to NJ. You'd only get points if the >infraction took place in your home state or if the offense were vehicular >manslaughter, etc. The fine, however, will. You may want to contest the >ticket if you feel you were innocent of the charges and have time to >travel to Virginia to appear before a judge. If you are enrolled in a >driving course in NJ, you should know this already. > >Bill Adams >3D Artist/Animator >'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, >'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: >"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 10:52:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08966; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10988; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10740; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from overload.nova.org (overload.elkrun.nova.org [208.218.26.231]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03765 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 05:33:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: TICKET!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 26 May 1997, Meier, Christopher wrote: > I don't know about NJ, but ... I got two speeding tickets in last 3-5 > years ( both in a cage). The points did hit my VA license from both the > ticket I got in MD and the ticket I got in NC. Just an FYI. > > Later, > chris Ah, but that is virgina, a state that has little respect for personal freedoms and such as they pertain to traffic laws. What do you expect from a state that makes radar detectors illegal? A state who has both personal income and property tax? A state who cuts deals with neighboring states (MD, DC, NC), so as to facilitate the complete rape of your traffic ticket pocketbook. It could be worse though. You could live in Maryland. -p -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 11:00:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09040; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11031; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10813; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA02624 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 07:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC69C4.11077860@XXXXXX>; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:00:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "'Adams, Bill'" Subject: RE: TICKET!!! Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 11:00:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to add to my own comment here ... Both of these tickets were on the open highway by STATE police. Does it make a difference if the ticket is issued by state, county, local or sheriff's police depts? Or are the points assessments all handled by the DMV? Later, chris >---------- >From: Meier, Christopher >Sent: Monday, May 26, 1997 10:45 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'Adams, Bill' >Subject: RE: TICKET!!! > >I don't know about NJ, but ... I got two speeding tickets in last 3-5 >years ( both in a cage). The points did hit my VA license from both the >ticket I got in MD and the ticket I got in NC. Just an FYI. > >Later, >chris >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------------ >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------------ > > >>---------- >>From: Adams, Bill[SMTP:badams@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Monday, May 26, 1997 10:18 AM >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: TICKET!!! >> >>AFAIK, the points don't follow you to NJ. You'd only get points if the >>infraction took place in your home state or if the offense were vehicular >>manslaughter, etc. The fine, however, will. You may want to contest the >>ticket if you feel you were innocent of the charges and have time to >>travel to Virginia to appear before a judge. If you are enrolled in a >>driving course in NJ, you should know this already. >> >>Bill Adams >>3D Artist/Animator >>'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, >>'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: >>"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" >> >> >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 11:38:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09610; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11517; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12564; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA02986 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 08:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC69C9.96891340@XXXXXX>; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:40:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: TICKET!!! Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 11:40:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Thomas Piergallini[SMTP:pierre@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, May 26, 1997 5:33 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: TICKET!!! > >On Mon, 26 May 1997, Meier, Christopher wrote: > >> I don't know about NJ, but ... I got two speeding tickets in last 3-5 >> years ( both in a cage). The points did hit my VA license from both the >> ticket I got in MD and the ticket I got in NC. Just an FYI. >> >> Later, >> chris > >Ah, but that is virgina, a state that has little respect for personal >freedoms and such as they pertain to traffic laws. What do you expect >from a state that makes radar detectors illegal? It's actually funny that they do. One of the best ideas I have heard to slow speeding on the Capital Beltway is to legalize radar detectors, and set up several dummy radar guns in various (and changing) locations. I think the authorities and traffic safety folks oppose the idea due to concern that people will hit the brakes when the radar goes off and cause an accident. However, it is probably a mute point since the entire beltway will probably be equipped with photographic tickets in the next few years anyway. :-( That's gonna be a real joy! > A state who has both >personal income and property tax? A state who cuts deals with neighboring >states (MD, DC, NC), so as to facilitate the complete rape of your traffic >ticket pocketbook. > >It could be worse though. You could live in Maryland. True! ;-) > Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 16:38:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16224; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13879; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02161; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00370; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net ([205.215.55.61]) by server2.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24573; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:51:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970526204032.0068d708@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 16:40:32 -0400 To: "Carver, John" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: TICKET!!! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't know much about it, but 1) Somebody does know about what to do. You can hire a lawyer to answer your questions for you, I'm sure there are several that will be happy to do that. 2) You can do the basic research yourself. The National Motorists Association has a packet about fighting tickets. They are at http://www.motorists.com/ The state code of Virginia (it will tell you exactly what you are charged with) is also on the web. It's somewhere under the state legislature, you can start at http://www.state.va.us Once you find out more information you can decide whether it's worth it to hire a lawyer or take your chances alone. 3) FWIW, I've never paid more than the amount of the face value of the ticket by showing up in court, and did get one dismissed once. In Virginia, any speeding that is more than 20 mph over the speed limit (75 in a 55) or more than 80 mph (in a 65 zone) is automatically reckless driving. By showing up in court (even without preparing) and being polite and well-dressed, you might get the prosecutor to agree to a reduced charge but probably the full fine. At 09:39 26-05-97 EDT, you wrote: > A friend of mine told me to post my original e-mail to the D.C. cycles >list as some of you out there may have some advice. The most pressing >question is: > > Should I invest in a lawyer? (I've had a mixed response to this) I'm >already enrolled in a defensive driving course in N.J. to hopefully prove to >the judge in VA that this was an isolated incident. How likely is the judge >to drop the reckless charge? > --John >jcarver@XXXXXX > > I was out riding yesterday by Washington VA. I was nailed with a >capital >"N". I was clocked at 85 in a 55. Woe is me. (Stupid is me) Since I have >an out of state license I'm not exactly sure what is going to happen or what >the best course of action is. I'm going to call and see what the fine is >and >how many points it is. What's annoying is on the ticket it lists reckless >driving and speeding. Duh?? Well, I've seen worse driving on the beltway >but . . . . > > What do you think??!! > > --John > > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 16:47:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16584; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14027; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03121; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06772; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:47:36 -0400 (EDT) From: SBruce30@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA24449 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970526164702_-1498464673@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Please unsubscribe me from this mailing list. E-MAil: SBruce30@XXXXXX Thank you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 17:24:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17979; Mon, 26 May 1997 17:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14378; Mon, 26 May 1997 17:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06511; Mon, 26 May 1997 17:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial45.netsys.hn [207.42.181.7]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05696; Mon, 26 May 1997 15:20:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3389F1C9.31B6@netsys.hn> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 15:25:45 -0500 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: CURACAO de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Please read the attached! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You were alitle concerned the other day when I sent an e-mail with the word "SUBSCRIBE" on it. The attached e-mail address can help you understand why I did so. I am very much into the motorcycles world, therefore I take any opportunity available to getting info. Again, sorry for the inconvinience but then again.....! Saludos, Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 Tegucigalpa, Honduras From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 17:25:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18008; Mon, 26 May 1997 17:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14392; Mon, 26 May 1997 17:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06529; Mon, 26 May 1997 17:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial45.netsys.hn [207.42.181.7]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06070; Mon, 26 May 1997 15:22:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3389F238.770C@netsys.hn> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 15:27:36 -0500 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: CURACAO de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Fwd: Ride to Work Day and DC Cycles] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1DC677A926" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1DC677A926 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You were alitle concerned the other day when I sent an e-mail with the word "SUBSCRIBE" on it. The attached e-mail address can help you understand why I did so. I am very much into the motorcycles world, therefore I take any opportunity available to getting info. Again, sorry for the inconvinience but then again.....! Saludos, Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 Tegucigalpa, Honduras --------------1DC677A926 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from babe.globecomm.net (babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08425 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:42:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pc099.computeroutlet.com (pc099.computeroutlet.com [165.254.158.99]) by babe.globecomm.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA06716 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from liststar.mcf.com (165.254.158.8) by pc099.computeroutlet.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 2.0b9); Fri, 23 May 1997 16:26:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970523161758_-1733227718@emout19.mail.aol.com> From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Subject: Ride to Work Day and DC Cycles To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX Precedence: Bulk Errors-to: suzuki-l-request@XXXXXX X-URL: http://www.mcf.com/pages/suzuki.html FYI on two things: 1) There is a Washington DC cycles on-line group. To subscribe, send "subscribe" to dc-cycles@XXXXXX 2) See message forwarded below re: ride to work day. >From: lvarouxis@XXXXXX (Lisa G. Varouxis) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Wednesday, July 16 is Work to Ride/Ride to Work day. This annual event >encourages motorcyclists around the world to bring their bikes to work to >raise public awareness of the sport. >Just thought I'd give you an early heads up! >Lisa V. Thanks, have a great Memorial Day weekend (three day weekend for U.S. bikers!) JB Haller 1990 VX-800 --------------1DC677A926-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 18:17:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18631; Mon, 26 May 1997 18:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14583; Mon, 26 May 1997 18:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08214; Mon, 26 May 1997 18:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA24458 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 17:16:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA04448 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 17:16:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.159]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA9895 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 17:16:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 18:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: TICKET!!! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970526221653.AAA9895@localHost> <> >> >>Ah, but that is virgina, a state that has little respect for personal >>freedoms and such as they pertain to traffic laws. What do you expect >>from a state that makes radar detectors illegal? >It's actually funny that they do. One of the best ideas I have heard to >slow speeding on the Capital Beltway is to legalize radar detectors, and >set up several dummy radar guns in various (and changing) locations. I >think the authorities and traffic safety folks oppose the idea due to >concern that people will hit the brakes when the radar goes off and >cause an accident. Dude, be real. VA doesn't really give a rats ass if you slow down or not! They do care, as you should, about agressive drivers though. Legalizing radar detectors is like a hard won tax collection, lost. VA (like uncle sam) wants you...to pay your taxes! >However, it is probably a mute point since the entire beltway will >probably be equipped with photographic tickets in the next few years >anyway. :-( That's gonna be a real joy! Do something about it and stop whining. later, Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 26 23:24:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20770; Mon, 26 May 1997 23:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16852; Mon, 26 May 1997 23:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00043; Mon, 26 May 1997 23:24:03 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Mon, 26 May 1997 23:21:28 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser Received: from charlie [207.168.31.36] by dclink.com with smtp id BHBFBHBN ; Mon, 26 May 1997 23:21:22 -0500 From: "Charlie Keyser" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 23:30:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.18088.698@207.168.31.36 subscribe ckeyser@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 07:53:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24811; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20692; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from comptroller.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27804; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Payroll.umd.edu ([129.2.32.196]) by comptroller.umd.edu (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA310; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:50:45 -0400 Message-ID: <338ACBE1.1A8F@comptroller.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 07:56:17 -0400 From: dhowell@XXXXXX (Delonte M. Howell) Reply-To: dhowell@XXXXXX Organization: University of Maryland, Office of the Comptroller X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FakeTree@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 References: <970523154521_-2033601626@emout04.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did not buy my bike rrom Freestate, but did have it serviced there since the prices are cheaper than Cycles USA. The guy in charge of the service area needs a class on customer care. I think I may end up paying the extra $30 next time and go to Cycles. Call me silly, but if I am going to give someone my money, at least they can try to make me feel good about it. Did not have much dealings with the guys in sales, but the guy in parts seemed to be a nice guy. Good Luck! FakeTree@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'm looking for a new bike (Suzuki Marauder) and I would like to know if anyon > e has purchased a new bike recently from Freestate Cycles on Route 1 in > Bladensburg? If so, what did you think of the transaction and customer > service? Anyone have any particularly strong impressions of interaction with > them (sales, service, etc.). Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 08:41:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25238; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20932; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popemh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29447; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil (unverified [131.218.30.246]) by popemh3.arl.mil (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:40:15 -0400 Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 38ad35b0; Tue, 27 May 97 08:28:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: <38ad35b0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 To: FakeTree@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I go there for service, I bought my Suzuki in Baltimore, and regret it mightily. Freestate is pretty damn decent, and I give them high marks. I think that the minor amount of money that I saved by going elsewhere was negated by the hassle I had with the other dealership. Freestate has gotten my trade for 4 years now, and I have no complaints at all, well except that they get real busy in the summer. Buy there, they all ride, and they have been there for years. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 From: FakeTree@XXXXXX at ddn Date: 23/5/1997 3:45 PM I'm looking for a new bike (Suzuki Marauder) and I would like to know if anyon e has purchased a new bike recently from Freestate Cycles on Route 1 in Bladensburg? If so, what did you think of the transaction and customer service? Anyone have any particularly strong impressions of interaction with them (sales, service, etc.). Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 08:55:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25436; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21085; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popemh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29934; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil (unverified [131.218.30.246]) by popemh3.arl.mil (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:54:18 -0400 Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 38ad7aa0; Tue, 27 May 97 08:46:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:57:51 -0400 Message-ID: <38ad7aa0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 From: dhowell@XXXXXX at ddn Date: 27/5/1997 7:56 AM I did not buy my bike rrom Freestate, but did have it serviced there since the prices are cheaper than Cycles USA. The guy in charge of the service area needs a class on customer care. I think I may end up paying the extra $30 next time and go to Cycles. Call me silly, but if I am going to give someone my money, at least they can try to make me feel good about it. Did not have much dealings with the guys in sales, but the guy in parts seemed to be a nice guy. Good Luck! The guys are all brothers-Dave Myers runs parts, Keith is the Service Manager. SInce motorcycle wrenchers are some of the most underpaid folks in the world, they don't have to kiss my butt when I bring my bike there. Yeah Keith can be curt, he is pretty damn busy whenever I see him, and I go there pretty often. On a relative scale though, I have known some far more nasty mech types who aren't as competent. Inasmuch as what they charge much less than comparable shops in our area, they are worth it*. It also doesn't hurt to be a regular customer, familiarity helps. Freestate does a first come first serve thing on Saturdays. Show up, get in line and they take your bike. It is good for minor stuff or dropping the bike off for other stuff. I don't know who else does this, but it can be a lifesaver if something comes up suddenly. * Chris Meier had his RFs 7500 mile service done there, and it was because they were cheaper than the other Suzi mechs in the area. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 09:06:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25562; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21223; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00479; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id IAA02556; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338B03D5@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 May 97 08:55:01 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "Carver, John" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: TICKET!!! Date: Tue, 27 May 97 08:52:00 PDT Message-ID: <338B03D5@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 70 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I'll give my .02 on the subject since I went through the same thing several months ago. So far everyone's input has seemed to be pretty much right on the money. Just to summarize, in Virginia you can be charged with Reckless Driving for a bunch of different things: Excessive Speed (anything over 80 regardless of speed limit, or 20 over the posted limit), weaving in and out of traffic, spinning your tires, running past a school bus (with the lights flashing). There might be others, I can't remember off the top of my head. I would definitely get a lawyer. Preferably one that is familiar with the court you are going to. The reason is the lawyer will know the judges and prosecutors. Although there might not be that many judges and prosecutors out where you were. Reckless driving is considered a class 1 misdemeanor in Virginia. With that in mind, you could go to jail for up to one year and I think the maximum fine is $1500. Now I have never heard anyone getting slammed for the maximums, but that is the way the law is written. I got my ticket in lovely Fairfax county. While I was sitting in court I liked listening to others cases. I heard the judge tell several others to go hire an attorney that had been charged with reckless driving. So the same might happen to you if you go without one. Another thing, since it is a 6 point Virginia offense the judge CAN suspend your license if he wants to. And watching people in court, he did. If the judge doesn't take your license the ticket may or may not transfer. I had ticket in Florida 2 years ago and it did transfer to my Virginia license. I also had a ticket in Pennsylvania 4 years ago which never transferred. And yes if you have a Virginia license the points come with the transfer. Don't know about Jersey. It all depends on the state. I was very lucky in my case. My friend was the attorney and he got mine reduced to improper driving which is the same points as getting a speeding ticket for 1-9 miles over the limit (3 points). I was clocked doing 83 in a 55 on 95 south at Woodbridge. When I told my friend about the ticket he said "I'm glad you were not going over 90". Apparently they hit you a lot harder for speeds over 90. Most attorneys will tell you to get your speedo calibrated before going to court. Which mine did to me. Virginia has a law that if your speedo is out of calibration the evidence is admissible in court.. Well the sucko part is that almost no one does these for motorcycles. I checked all over the place. Fortunately for me I decided to have my faulty speedo cable replaced at the dealer for $30 (wink). This little bit of evidence helped swing the prosecutor to a lesser charge. According to my lawyer the cop didn't know about our little plea bargain or he would have been pissed. Good luck no matter what you do. Virginia really seems to throw the book at you worse than other states. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > A friend of mine told me to post my original e-mail to the D.C. cycles list as some >of you out there may have some advice. The most pressing question is: > Should I invest in a lawyer? (I've had a mixed response to this) I'm already >enrolled in a defensive driving course in N.J. to hopefully prove to the judge in VA >that this was an isolated incident. How likely is the judge to drop the reckless >charge? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 09:09:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25574; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21288; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00533; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA19622 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 06:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC6A7D.DEA65430@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:10:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles , "'Todd B Peer'" Subject: RE: TICKET!!! Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:10:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh Todd, what set you off? I don't think I was whining there ... merely passing along info. You obviously have a sore spot about this one. I'll look forward to hearing from you once you are *rational* again I agree that speeding tickets are a racket, but yes, VA does have an interest in slowing down motorists. That would be for emergency services, traffic backups, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Todd B Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, May 26, 1997 6:07 PM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: RE: TICKET!!! > ><> >>> >>>Ah, but that is virgina, a state that has little respect for personal >>>freedoms and such as they pertain to traffic laws. What do you expect >>>from a state that makes radar detectors illegal? > >>It's actually funny that they do. One of the best ideas I have heard to >>slow speeding on the Capital Beltway is to legalize radar detectors, and >>set up several dummy radar guns in various (and changing) locations. I >>think the authorities and traffic safety folks oppose the idea due to >>concern that people will hit the brakes when the radar goes off and >>cause an accident. > >Dude, be real. VA doesn't really give a rats ass if you slow down >or not! They do care, as you should, about agressive drivers though. >Legalizing radar detectors is like a hard won tax collection, lost. >VA (like uncle sam) wants you...to pay your taxes! > >>However, it is probably a mute point since the entire beltway will >>probably be equipped with photographic tickets in the next few years >>anyway. :-( That's gonna be a real joy! > >Do something about it and stop whining. > >later, >Todd > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 09:30:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25867; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21827; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popemh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01475; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil (unverified [131.218.30.246]) by popemh3.arl.mil (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:29:43 -0400 Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 38adff70; Tue, 27 May 97 09:21:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:32:32 -0400 Message-ID: <38adff70@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: TICKET!!! To: "'DC Cycles'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Always go to court. The cop could be late, or fail to show up. The worst thing that can happen is you get the violation anyway. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 09:32:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25881; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21866; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01512; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA03101; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338B0C37@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 May 97 09:30:47 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "ISOcredo@XXXXXX" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: harley dealers Date: Tue, 27 May 97 09:28:00 PDT Message-ID: <338B0C37@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 The way I understand it is that Harley dealers are territorial. Which ever one you live closest to is the one you have to buy it from. A buddy of mine bought a Fat Boy from the dealer in Clinton, he lives in Merrifield. He sold the Fat Boy and then decided he wanted an Electra Glide. The same dealer sent him away saying that he must buy his Harley from a closer dealer in Virginia. Not sure which one it was but he couldn't buy it from the dealer in Clinton. I've also heard that some of them don't give a damn whether or not you buy the bike. Since they are pretty much sold by the time they get the bikes they are not much for customer service on the purchase. Just things I have heard from friends who have bought Harleys, not my own experience. Not being able to buy the bike where I wanted would be enough to turn me away from the brand. Personally, unless you like the prestige I wouldn't spend that much on a bike. Just my thoughts. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >O.k., so there are about a million beautiful Harleys in town this weekend for >the Run to the Wall or whatever it is and I'm thinking I should just quit >being so damn stubborn and buy one like everyone else. A Dyna Convertible (>or, if I'm sensible, a Super Glide) is starting to look pretty good. >Anyone have any experiences, positive or negative, you'd like to share about >buying a Harley in the DC area? Any knowledge about which shops sell at more >or less MSRP, and which shops gouge shamelessly? Anybody know what the wait From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 09:51:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26057; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22353; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02254; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA01379 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:50:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000734; Tue May 27 08:45:54 1997 Message-ID: <338AE58F.2225@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:45:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 References: <38ad35b0@emh3.arl.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to use Freestate for parts all the time, and really liked 'em. But the last several times I've called they have been lousy. Either they put me on hold forever (more than 10 minutes and I hang up), or couldn't quote me a price for a part, or promised to call me right back and never did - even after I re-called them 3 times. So I suppose they're having some staff problems right now. Hate to say it, but I'm back to Coleman's until Freestate gets their act together. I am willing to pay the difference for the service. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 10:07:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26309; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22606; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02967; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:07:04 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA10842 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970527100629_613038275@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Freestate Answers and Coleman Questions Thanks to everyone for answers on Freestate. Results: Overall opinion was very positive. Now, hate to bother you again, but any opinions on Coleman (Northern VA)? Promise this is the last one. I'm shopping around for a new bike. Thanks, JB Haller 1990 Suzuki VX-800 FakeTree@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 10:15:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26406; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22763; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03364; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA23679 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca002.xcg.northgrum.com ([157.127.135.254]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA10915 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca002.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.13) id <01BC6A6D.FE768150@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:17:11 -0700 Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by xcgca002.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.13) id MCQ0CHK8; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:17:06 -0700 Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA23665; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA00338; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA25824; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:07:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com Message-ID: From: Todd B Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" Cc: dc-cycles , "'Todd B Peer'" Subject: RE: TICKET!!! Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 06:59:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Uh Todd, what set you off? > >I don't think I was whining there ... merely passing along info. You >obviously have a sore spot about this one. I'll look forward to hearing >from you once you are *rational* again > >I agree that speeding tickets are a racket, but yes, VA does have an >interest in slowing down motorists. That would be for emergency >services, traffic backups, etc. Ok Chris, I apologize. Since I knew the list would also be reading I wanted all to know how I feel about Taxes. I'm sure everyone feels this way to some degree. Yes 'Virginia' - that's you and me and every other Virginia citizen - has an interest in keeping our roads safe. Especially in hazerdous conditions. However, I don't consider speeding to be hazerdous, unless it is mixed in with just plain agression (ie, quick lane checking to gain that extra car length). My point is that the state constantly dips into your wallet when other means of law enforcement make more sense. A radar gun slows traffic in the vicinity, and sometimes not even then. Some of you know what I mean, when you see Mr. Officer issuing a ticket, ur thinking '..hmm, he's got someody, no need to slow down..'. My voice is against radar assisted tax collection entirely. I think your statement about the legality of using a detector in this state was a good arguement for speed reduction, if VA really cared. They don't. They want your money, period! Speeding does not kill. If that were true, everyone would die at the indy 500. Bad driving/riding, bad judgement and riding outside your ability is what should be of concern. When the focus is turned towards aggressive, non-chalant and discourteous attitudes and away from the big-bad speeder, I'll be less irate. Maybe:^) Todd PS: I'm really serious about doing something about the so called photo-radar systems. Civil-disobediance will surely rise if something like this happens, but I'd be more interested in preventing it. Any VA-ABATErs out there discussing this issue? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Todd B Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, May 26, 1997 6:07 PM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: RE: TICKET!!! > ><> >>> >>>Ah, but that is virgina, a state that has little respect for personal >>>freedoms and such as they pertain to traffic laws. What do you expect >>>from a state that makes radar detectors illegal? > >>It's actually funny that they do. One of the best ideas I have heard to >>slow speeding on the Capital Beltway is to legalize radar detectors, and >>set up several dummy radar guns in various (and changing) locations. I >>think the authorities and traffic safety folks oppose the idea due to >>concern that people will hit the brakes when the radar goes off and >>cause an accident. > >Dude, be real. VA doesn't really give a rats ass if you slow down >or not! They do care, as you should, about agressive drivers though. >Legalizing radar detectors is like a hard won tax collection, lost. >VA (like uncle sam) wants you...to pay your taxes! > >>However, it is probably a mute point since the entire beltway will >>probably be equipped with photographic tickets in the next few years >>anyway. :-( That's gonna be a real joy! > >Do something about it and stop whining. > >later, >Todd > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 10:23:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26532; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23049; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03903; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA07507; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:22:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA25474; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA21148; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:22:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Re[2]: TICKET!!! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970527142219.AAA21148@localHost> >Always go to court. The cop could be late, or fail to show up. >The worst thing that can happen is you get the violation anyway. > >Dave True, true. I've posted this before, but it may be worth a second look, since the issue is heating up again. Go see: http://www.motorists.com/ticket1.htm Until later, Todd '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' [---------------------------STOC #487----------------------------]] "I can't drive...55" -- Sammy Hagar From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 10:23:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26548; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23082; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mm1 by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03914; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mdow.lccinc.com ([204.243.124.2]) by mm1.sprynet.com with SMTP id <148117-10854>; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:21:42 -0700 Message-ID: <338AEE52.6A18@travelin.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:23:14 -0400 From: "Michael \"Sash\" Dow" Reply-To: mdow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FakeTree@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Freestate Answers and Coleman Questions References: <970527100629_613038275@emout17.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Now, hate to bother you again, but any opinions on Coleman (Northern VA)? > Promise this is the last one. I'm shopping around for a new bike. Here we go... ;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 10:47:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26947; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23638; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04826; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA25653 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 07:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC6A8B.A48ACED0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:49:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Dave_Choat@XXXXXX'" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:49:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX[SMTP:Dave_Choat@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 8:57 AM >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re[2]: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 > >--snip-- > > * Chris Meier had his RFs 7500 mile service done there, and it was >because > they were cheaper than the other Suzi mechs in the area. > > Dave I was impressed with them. The turn around time was great, but then again, I hit my 7500mi in Feb. Cheaper? Yes _much cheaper then_ Coleman, Cycle Sport, and Cycles USA. By cheaper I mean in the hundreds of dollars!!!!! For a factory service!!! Also, I am going to put a MEZ1/MEZ2 tire combo on soon. Price quotes I got ... Coleman: $158.00 Z1 Front, $211.00 Z2 Rear Cycle Sport: $158.00 Z1 Front, $200.00 Z2 Rear Freestate: $139.00 Z1 Front, $169.00 Z2 Rear Also they have cheaper rates to mount and balance than the others shops. You do the math and let me know what you would do ... (BTW, I prefer not to use mail order, I like these guys and am willing to support them) YMMV, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 11:03:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27158; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23884; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05725; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA26701 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC6A8D.E6880C60@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:05:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "'FakeTree@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Freestate Answers and Coleman Questions Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:05:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here we go again ... :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: FakeTree@XXXXXX[SMTP:FakeTree@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 10:06 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Freestate Answers and Coleman Questions > >Thanks to everyone for answers on Freestate. Results: Overall opinion was >very positive. >Now, hate to bother you again, but any opinions on Coleman (Northern VA)? > Promise this is the last one. I'm shopping around for a new bike. Thanks, >JB Haller >1990 Suzuki VX-800 >FakeTree@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 11:41:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27951; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24520; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07893; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02099; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA27334 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:40:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026995; Tue May 27 10:39:09 1997 Message-ID: <338B001A.4420@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:39:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TICKET!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd: Well, no, we don't all feel the same way you do about taxes. Frankly, I think we pay very little in taxes, and not only would I happily pay more - I voluntarily do. But I DO agree with you that speed is not in and of itself a killer or problem. It's primarily unskilled drivers and riders. I agree that speeding traps are merely revenue mills for states; there really is no interest (outside of making money) in giving speeding tickets. You probably all know about the 85% rule. As for the photo radar, well, beyond the license plate covers (you've probably seen 'em; polarized plastic which only permits viewing from direct line, not angles), or spray painting the camera lens, I guess our only defense is to question politicians before we vote 'em into office and find out how they'll vote on this issue. I personally think there's a problem without proof the owner was also the driver, but maybe they'll solve that with a "rebuttable presumption" kind of thing. Then again, I can imagine a very "James Bond" kind of device, cable actuated from the handlebar, which moves a "dummy" plate over yours at the push of your thumb. Hehe - in that case I'd prefer the camera to a patrolcar. Find your worst enemy and make a fake plate of his numbers for your "dummy tag." PS - there's a Honda SOHC/4 ride coming up June 7th, if you're interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 11:47:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28187; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24631; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08746; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA00117 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca002.xcg.northgrum.com ([157.127.135.254]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA12963 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca002.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.13) id <01BC6A7A.C8FB0660@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:48:44 -0700 Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by xcgca002.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.13) id MCWK4221; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:48:36 -0700 Received: from popemh3.arl.mil (popemh3.arl.mil [131.218.204.63]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA00106; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil (unverified [131.218.30.246]) by popemh3.arl.mil (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:44:04 -0400 Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil Message-ID: From: "Dave_Choat@XXXXXX" To: "Meier, Christopher" Cc: "c=US;a= ;p=NG;o=VA001;dda:SMTP=dc-cycles@XXXXXX;" Subject: Re[4]: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:40:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >You do the math and let me know what you would do ... (BTW, I prefer not >to use mail order, I like these guys and am willing to support them) YMMV, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yay Chris, my sentiments to the letter! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 12:04:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28892; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25267; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10699; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA14979 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 27 May 1997 09:03:18 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 27 May 1997 09:03:18 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Photo Radar & Cycles Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:02:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 26 TEXT, 47 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 The only photo-radar that seems to be effective in the US (presumption of innocence and all that) is that which clearly shows the driver's face and license tag. I don't see where this is a major problem for cycles, unless one is in the habit of sitting backwards with no helmet on (whereupon one isn't likely to get up enough speed before being busted for general inanity.). Even mandating a front tag still begs the question of the driver's face being obscured by a helmet (maybe the hard core HD types will be buying full-face lids :-)) Either that or wearing the beanies over their faces (with, one would assume, eye holes)... Either way - photo radar doesn't seem to be a major threat for the helmeted set. 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Give me a wink or something....or at least put me on your charity list;-) <> >PS - there's a Honda SOHC/4 ride coming up June 7th, if you're >interested. Tell me more, where - when? I may be in western MD attending the MD ABATE Cumberland Campout that weekend, but if plans change...... Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 13:16:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02278; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27014; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19422; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA05764; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338B3F28@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 May 97 13:08:08 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "FakeTree@XXXXXX" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Freestate Answers and Coleman Questions Date: Tue, 27 May 97 13:04:00 PDT Message-ID: <338B3F28@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 OK, I'll bite on this one. Coleman Powersport (AKA a Coleman Ripoffsport). Just had a buddy of mine go down there and apparently during this time of year they add another $200 or $300 above the sticker price on bikes. I can't imagine paying sticker price for a vehicle must less 2-300 above. But I guess people by them or they wouldn't be doing it. I once put $100 down on a used bike they had. They sold the bike out from underneath me and then it took 5 separate trips to get the money back! Want more? E-mail me directly, I have many more stories that these. Have you tried Atlantic Cycles right below Waldorf? My friend bought his EX500 there a few ago and they seemed OK. Don't know much than that. They were about $600 cheaper on the bike than Coleman was. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >Thanks to everyone for answers on Freestate. Results: Overall opinion was >very positive. >Now, hate to bother you again, but any opinions on Coleman (Northern VA)? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 14:03:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04247; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27945; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24463; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:01:09 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA29430 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:00:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma028483; Tue May 27 12:54:26 1997 Message-ID: <338B1FD1.69EF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 13:54:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: COLEMAN'S VILLIFICATION References: <338B3F28@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't want to prolong any discussion again on Coleman's, although I probably am by even starting this, but every time their name comes up we have a big unnecessary flame war. Face it, Coleman's is a business, not a demon. If they ask $200-$300 over list for a bike, and they consistently get it, why get mad at them? They'd be stupid not to charge what the market will bear. They're in the business to make money, not to make our lives easier or more fun. It's a simple cost/benefit analysis on their part. If the customers all collectively said "No, thanks, I'll go somewhere else," Coleman's would change. As it is, there's apparently a very willing market to pay more for the kind of instant gratification Coleman's can deliver. I'm a part of that market. Sometimes I buy from Coleman's, despite the higher price. Why? Because they have it in stock NOW, and don't have to order it. Sometimes it's worth the cost - to me - of having it right now. Not always though; I don't shop any single dealer consistently. I live in DC, so since I have to go a ways just to get to a dealer I spread my business around. Freestate, Colemans, Cycles, etc. I use 'em all, depending on what I need, how soon, etc. Nobody has been so good I'd always go to them, and nobody has been so bad I'd never go back. I've gotten some great deals at Coleman's. I've also walked away from some stinker deals there. Remember, you usually have the option of saying "no thanks" to getting screwed. As for Glenn, if you'd deposited on a bike and signed a deal, and they sold it "out from underneath" you, why didn't you make them get you another similar bike? You also can take them to small claims court, which you can handle pro se for virtually nothing, and seek not just the benefit of your bargain but all losses, including the time you waste making another deal, any difference in price from their bike and the one you eventually buy, and interest on the deposit they held. If a business unlawfully or unethically takes advantage of you, you can hold their feet to the fire for it. The second thing to remember is if you don't get the opportunity to say "no thanks" to the screwing, you can always say "okay, hope you enjoyed it, now pay up." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 14:03:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04248; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27971; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24707; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jgodfrey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA24706; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:08:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 14:08:22 -0400 (EDT) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: Thomas Piergallini cc: "Carver, John" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: TICKET!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > That depends. what are the other citations? Is it speeding only (+30) or > did the officer also cite you with wreckless driving? It is not > automatic, he still has to site you. Just to clarify.If you go in to protest the speeding ticket, there is no reason they can't up the charrge to reckless driving. conversely, if you have only been charged with speeding and pay the ticket, they cannot then charge you with reckless. Double jeopardy that would be. thus, you will note that often people are not immediately charged after an accident. That is to prevent someone guilty of vehicular homicide from quickly pleading to reckless driving. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 15:02:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07059; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29606; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popemh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02346; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil (unverified [131.218.30.246]) by popemh3.arl.mil (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:01:18 -0400 Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 38b2dac0; Tue, 27 May 97 14:53:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 14:49:23 -0400 Message-ID: <38b2dac0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: TICKET!!! Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Just to clarify.If you go in to protest the speeding ticket, there is no >reason they can't up the charrge to reckless driving. *WRONG*! You cannot get additional moving violations assigned to you in court. You only get tried for the one you went in with. The officer or judge cannot add any more violations, unless you commit them right there. (Like being irate with the judge or something). If you don't have a reckless citation, you won't get one later on in court. Period. Speeding is not a crime, it is a viloation of rules. The judge cannot change the violation, they CAN increase the fine though. The judge is a referee. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 16:21:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08359; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01875; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m9.sprynet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06910; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server (dd51-094.compuserve.com [199.174.183.94]) by m9.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02999; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:20:35 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC6AB9.ED043060@mgroves02@sprynet.com> From: Mark Groves To: "'FakeTree@XXXXXX'" , "DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Freestate Answers and Coleman Questions Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:48:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4025 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would not suggest buying a bike a Coleman. They have a great selection. But they don't want to work with you very much on the price. My friend wanted a '96 VFR 750 there they did not want to work with the price at all. They try to tell you if you get so much in accessories, they can work a better deal on the bike. But when it comes down to it the manager said that did not matter in the bike price. They wanted almost the same price for the '96 as the '97. They said that it was a hot moving bike, well I am grad to say that bike is still there, three months later. I just don't trust them very much. They thrive on people that don't know what the bike costs or don't care. Mark Groves Powerlink Technologies mgroves02@XXXXXX On Tuesday, May 27, 1997 10:07 AM, FakeTree@XXXXXX [SMTP:FakeTree@XXXXXX] wrote: > Thanks to everyone for answers on Freestate. Results: Overall opinion was > very positive. > Now, hate to bother you again, but any opinions on Coleman (Northern VA)? > Promise this is the last one. I'm shopping around for a new bike. Thanks, > JB Haller > 1990 Suzuki VX-800 > FakeTree@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 17:15:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09556; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03699; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10176; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tgimer.smart.net (a2p2dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.34]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA01773 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:18:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199705272118.RAA01773@gemini.smart.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 17:14:38 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Organization: Little or No Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Freestate Answers and Coleman Questions References: <01BC6AB9.ED043060@mgroves02@sprynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Groves wrote: > > I would not suggest buying a bike a Coleman. They have a great selection. > But they don't want to work with you very much on the price. My friend > wanted a '96 VFR 750 there they did not want to work with the price at all. > They try to tell you if you get so much in accessories, they can work a > better deal on the bike. But when it comes down to it the manager said > that did not matter in the bike price. They wanted almost the same price > for the '96 as the '97. They said that it was a hot moving bike, well I am > grad to say that bike is still there, three months later. I just don't > trust them very much. They thrive on people that don't know what the bike > costs or don't care. > They also refused to give me credit. Coleman's treatment of me should definitely be one of your major concerns!! Obviously I'm just joking. I have, however, had good experiences in dealing with Heyser Cycle of Laurel, MD. Relatively small shop means low overhead, which in my book means there is no need to attempt to squeeze every last dime out of a potential customer's pocket. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX '90 XR600R '93 XR250R '94 ZX-6E AMA#549096 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 17:33:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09808; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04874; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11058; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10026 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:32:56 -0400 Received: by bergie.erols.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BA2C57.E19DC4E0@XXXXXX>; Sat, 27 May 1995 17:32:46 -0400 Message-ID: <01BA2C57.E19DC4E0@bergie.erols.com> From: Bergie Frazier Jr To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: '95 ZX11 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 17:32:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm CONSIDERING parting with my ZX11 soon, and was wondering if anyone knew the current market value and what I can expect to get from it: Mint condition Kawasaki '95 ZX-11D, color; Black Purple Metallic, about 5100 miles, new tires, brakes, Tsubaki Gold chain, new 16T (-1) steel front and 47T (+2) gold aluminum rear sprockets, recently full serviced including valve adjustment and synthetic oil. Lockhart Tinted Euroscreen (still have original), foam grips, Corbin GunFighter & Lady Seat (detachable back rear), Scorpio Alarm, Kawasaki Service Manual, 55/100W headlight, Muzzy Titanium Gold Exhaust, K&N Filter & DynoJet Jet Kit, (still have original exhaust too). 2nd Place Winner of Fast Lane Cycles Annual Dyno HP Shootout the last two years @ 134.2 horsepower (measured at rear wheel). Obviously I have alot of time and money invested, but I'm considering selling it to make room for a newer '98 model (yet to be decided). Anyone interested in making an offer or anyone with information regarding the current market value or trade-in value please reply. Thanks! Bergie 968-3023 (w: 9-6 M-F) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 17:38:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09863; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05366; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11183; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA14285 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:37:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vie-va24-13.ix.netcom.com(205.184.183.205) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma014269; Tue May 27 16:37:43 1997 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 17:37:10 -0700 To: "DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)" From: dwkaiser@XXXXXX (David & Michele DeJong Kaiser) Subject: RE: Freestate Answers and Coleman Questions I've been dreaming of a Kawasaki concours (used older variety) to replace my sold off Shadow 750. I found an '87 that was pretty beat up at Coleman. So I looked it over. It had been dropped on both sides, one of the mirrors was not functional (couldn't hold it's position), and the bike was missing it's hard bags (probably broke in the crashes). Coleman wanted $4700 for this piece! It would be a $2500-$3000 in average condition. After I actually laughed (more of a snort of disgust) in the sales manager's face and pointed out the prices as per the Motorcycle Consumer News article of the same month he said that they had put a lot of work into the engine (the odometer read over 70,000) and that he would find someone who wasn't educated on that model who would buy it. So that's their attitude. On the other hand, I found a beautiful '95 Concourse at the Potomac Mills Coleman for $6,999 with about 7,000 miles on it. This seemed like a fair deal. Does anyone else note a difference between the Falls Church and Potomac Mills store, or is it just chance on my part? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 19:44:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14569; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07589; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA23756; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:43:30 -0400 (EDT) From: ISOcredo@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA28011 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970527194235_-1498312700@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speeding (was re: TICKET!!!) In a message dated 97-05-27 10:23:02 EDT, you write: << Since I knew the list would also be reading << I wanted all to know how I feel about Taxes. I'm sure everyone feels < << Speeding does not kill. If that were true, everyone would die at the < To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re(2): speeding (was re:TICKET!!) Well, I got so carried away with my own ranting that I forgot to properly attribute the object of my wrath. It should have read: "In a message dated 97-05-27 10:23:02 EDT, Todd B. Peer wrote: << Since I knew the list would also be reading << I wanted all to know how I feel about Taxes. I'm sure everyone feels < << Speeding does not kill. If that were true, everyone would die at the <; Tue, 27 May 1997 20:47:12 -0400 Message-ID: <338B9C3F.4753@nmaa.org> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 20:45:19 -0700 From: lucas.m@XXXXXX (Mark Lucas) Reply-To: lucas.m@XXXXXX Organization: National Multimedia Association of America X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: [Fwd: Re: Freestate Cycles on Route 1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll second this.....excellent service...friendly helpful staff....fair prices :) Dark Hacker wrote: > > I've always been pleased with every aspect of Freestate. Impressions are > all positive. > > - Hacker -- Peace, Mark Lucas http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm PGP Public Key available on request From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 21:11:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16482; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08394; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29215; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial43.netsys.hn [207.42.181.5]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06167; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:07:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <338B78A8.B@netsys.hn> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:13:29 -0500 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: CURACAO de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FakeTree@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day and DC Cycles References: <970523161758_-1733227718@emout19.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> 1) There is a Washington DC cycles on-line group. To subscribe, send "subscribe" to dc-cycles@XXXXXX For the SUZUKIers: Correction to the address above: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX with the "SUBSCRIBE" message. I already did it and it proves another excellent option for MOTORCYCLES and riders experiences discussions. For the DC-CYCLESers: You're welcome to join our list at suzuki-l-request@XXXXXX same ritual! Lets all make this a special world wide motorcyclists group! Yeeaa! :):) By the way guys, I am planning on starting our own Motorcycle Enthusiasts Club here in Honduras, any ideas or leads? >>Wednesday, July 16 is Work to Ride/Ride to Work day. This annual event encourages motorcyclists around the world to bring their bikes to work to raise public awareness of the sport. Think this is a great idea! >>Just thought I'd give you an early heads up! Thanks Lisa V. but in Honduras we don't celebrate Memorial day :( Have a good one everybody! :) Saludos, Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 Tegucigalpa, Honduras From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 21:28:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16612; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08542; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29859; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (earuiz@XXXXXX [128.8.70.109]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17513 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (earuiz@localhost) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11622 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:28:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac9.wam.umd.edu: earuiz owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 21:28:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Eduardo Alfredo Ruiz To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Coleman Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Coleman has two distinctly different sales managers and which one you deal with depends on the day of the week. One is real friendly and courteous; the other is an arrogant a--hole. When I was shopping for a new bike, I went to Coleman. Unfortunately I went on the day the a--hole was working. First of all, he gave me a very low estimate on the trade-in, even though I'd bought that bike from them. Then he flat out refused to budge on the price of the new bike. When I persisted with the customer loyalty bit, he became testy and started insulting me. He told me Coleman was the largest dealer in the area and that they sold so many bikes they didn't need my business. I became so angry that I stormed out swearing I would never go back. I don't know why, but two weeks later I did. Luckily, I got the other manager. He was so friendly and helpful. Not only that, but his estimate on the trade-in was almost 1,000 more than what the previous manager had quoted. He even knocked another thousand off the price of the new bike with very little effort on my part. In all I believe I got the sweetest deal ever! Unfortunately I can't remember the manager's name, but I strongly suggest you deal with him; he's the younger looking of the two, with a fuller head of hair. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 22:02:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16898; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08594; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29930; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.116.66.216]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA25731 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 01:33:44 +0000 Message-ID: <338B8993.29D6@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 21:25:39 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: MORROWS@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speeding Dangers References: <970527194841_353616650@emout03.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ISOcredo@XXXXXX wrote: > Who would pay for the ambulance that comes to scrape you up off > the pavement when you zoom through a curve at a safe 95mph and hit gravel? > Or when trash flies out of the truck in the next lane and you can't avoid it > because you're going too fast? Certainly the above comments contain their own presumptions about the habits of others. Just because someone opines that speeding in and of itself is not necessarily dangerous does not mean that they condone (let alone engage in) the above practices. > < < < > << Speeding does not kill. If that were true, everyone would die at the > < << ability is what should be of concern. > > Hey Einstein! Number one, everyone in the Indy 500 is going about the same > rate of speed. One of the most dangerous aspects of speeding in the real > world is the large difference it creates in rates of speed of different > vehicles, which is inherently dangerous. Your reasoning is less clear than that of the gentleman you're flaming. Bad driving (and or riding), poor judgement and riding outside one's ability are all more prevalent contributing factors in motorcycle accidents than excessive speed. Read the literature. By your own example, simply raising the speed limit to, say, 90 mph on the beltway and strictly enforcing a minimum 80 mph speed would mitigate the speed differential and thus one of the most dangerous aspects of speed. Of course, such an approach would fail to take into account the rather large differences in rider/driver ability, judgement, vehicle performance, environmental factors, etc. > Number two, everyone in the Indy > 500 is an experienced racer who knows how to handle the speed. Well, not this year! > Even if you > happen to be Indy 500 caliber, which I doubt, the rest of us on the road > aren't, and we don't necessarily know to expect Speed Racer coming up behind > us at a high rate of speed, or what to do if Speed Racer loses control. Let's not raise the speed limit to 90mph, then! > Number three, "speeding does not kill" is about as intelligent a statement as > "guns do not kill". Quite true. Both are unerringly accurate. > Maybe speeding doesn't kill, but speeders do. Thought not nearly so often as drunken, inattentive, distracted, and/or the criminally unskilled do. > Choosing > to ride at extreme speeds on anything other than racetracks is itself bad > judgment, and it seems to be a choice made by individuals who often are not > particularly good at recognizing their own limits or the limits imposed by > the roads and traffic situations they're in. Or perhaps a choice made by individuals who have racetrack experience and know when and how speed can be utilized without endangering self or those around them. At least some speeders are the latter. > Personally, I resent people who speed (meaning REALLY speed, which in my > definition would certainly include 80mph in a 55 mph zone) because I believe > they're endangering my life and the lives of others. I believe it's a sign > of an inconsiderate person with a lot of regard for themselves and not much > regard for anyone else. You're certainly welcome to your opinion. Since I have on rare occasions actually exceeded the speed limit, I suppose I fall into the above category. In my opinion, I pose much less a danger to you than the semi-comatose, inert cagers bumbling their way to work, cellular phone in ear and McDonalds coffee in their minivan cupholders. At least I'm concious of what I'm doing out there. > I wish the cops did a lot more speed enforcement, > and I wish it were harder for speeders to get their fines reduced. I wish > people who habitually speeded and were repeatedly caught would lose their > licenses. What about those of us who 'habitually' speed and have only been caught once in the last thirteen years? Perhaps the cops need more training, equipment, or manpower! -- Tim Morrow Herndon, Va. Morrows@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 22:24:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17078; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10401; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02154; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:24:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA04860; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970527222042_1491701192@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: bergie@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '95 ZX11 According to the March 1997 issue of Motorcycle Consumer News, the national average full retail value for a stock Kawasaki ZX1100-D is $7500. Obviously, you've dropped some money into this bike and can get more. No idea how much more, but I hope that provides you with a baseline. Also, if anyone is interested, and doesn't already know, you can subscribe to the AMA Official Motorcycle Value Guide by calling (800) 972-5312 for the complete breakdown of any particular motorcycle. Individual issues run $12.95, while a yearly subscription is $30 for 3 issues. Supposedly, this mag provides the dealers with the prices they use for both trade-ins and wholesale. The guide includes information on personal watercraft, dirt bikes and ATVs. (Sorry if this sounds like a sales pitch -- it's not). Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 22:39:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17191; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10578; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02597; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-010.hamilton-01.ican.net (ppp-010.hamilton-01.ican.net [206.248.179.10]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28278 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ppp-010.hamilton-01.ican.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BC6AEF.A6620160@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:45:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC6AEF.A6620160@ppp-010.hamilton-01.ican.net> From: Stephen To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Speeding Dangers Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:34:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps you (collectively) could agree to disagree, and we wouldn't all = have to be subjected to the same old tripe both sides of this argument = have to air. Face it, neither side is going to convince the other that = they are correct. I personally speed, but whenever I'm caught, I fess up, and take the = penalties (if any). Guilty as charged. Remember that you can only plead = guilty to a charge, and not a warning. Until the laws change, that's = the way society (or the portion of it you happen to live in) wants it. = It's dictated to us by our democratically elected representatives. = There's nothing more fair in America, and we (at least the road going = public "we") are all going to have to like it because it's not going to = change any time soon. Get over it! Stephen Dobson -----Original Message----- From: Tim Morrow [SMTP:MORROWS@XXXXXX] Sent: May 27, 1997 9:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speeding Dangers ISOcredo@XXXXXX wrote: [Stephen] <> Tim Morrow Herndon, Va. Morrows@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 27 23:03:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17385; Tue, 27 May 1997 23:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11568; Tue, 27 May 1997 23:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03604; Tue, 27 May 1997 23:03:29 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA18852 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 May 1997 23:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970527230249_-1297163854@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Value Guide Hey, y'all- I think the AMA guide is the most realistic one available, but it is also the lowest. If I was trying to sell a bike, I'd show the buyer the NADA book, and try to negotiate from there. If I was buying one, I'd show the seller the AMA book. I bought my 92 VFR for $1000 below NADA book, rode 10000 miles in 2 years, sold it for NADA book. That gave me a net cost of $200 for 2 years of riding. Buy low, sell high. Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 00:07:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18192; Wed, 28 May 1997 00:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13294; Wed, 28 May 1997 00:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06002; Wed, 28 May 1997 00:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dale.his.com (shiva1-mclean-237.his.com [205.252.121.237]) by mail.his.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA06660; Wed, 28 May 1997 00:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705280407.AAA06660@mail.his.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dale Coyner" Organization: Appalachian Highways To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, weinstej@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:15:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Tenting Tonight anyone? Reply-to: dale@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <970527230249_-1297163854@emout05.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53) Hey folks: I'm thinking about doing an overnight campout soon and wondered if anyone was interested, too. I won't be going far and, this time, I won't be on my bike, but it would still be nice to sit around the campfire with like-minded folks. Disclaimer: I'm bringing my 3-year old camping, but he's been out before and shouldn't be a factor after, say, 8:30 . I was thinking about Mountain Lake Campground. Haven't been there yet for a site visit...has anyone on the list been there? It's situated along Route 649 near Route 50 just over the line in Warren County. Would be a nice launching point for a day ride into West Virginia or western Maryland. Not sure exactly when, but within the next couple of weeks. If anyone is interested, I'll post updates. Thanks. d. -------------------------------------------------- Take a tour on Appalachian Highways... http://www.his.com/dale From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 06:35:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20805; Wed, 28 May 1997 06:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16373; Wed, 28 May 1997 06:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA13084; Wed, 28 May 1997 06:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id GAA00890 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 06:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338C33AD@XXXXXX>; Wed, 28 May 97 06:31:25 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: COLEMAN'S VILLIFICATION Date: Wed, 28 May 97 06:29:00 PDT Message-ID: <338C33AD@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 BLAH BLAH BLAH! >have a big unnecessary flame war. Face it, Coleman's is a business, not >a demon. If they ask $200-$300 over list for a bike, and they >consistently get it, why get mad at them? They'd be stupid not to >charge what the market will bear. They're in the business to make >money, not to make our lives easier or more fun. It's a simple Once again its not getting mad, its informing others of their business practices. I guess when your in a metro area such as ours is almost doesn't matter how bad you rip-off the public cause more people will be walking in the door that have no idea. > I'm a part of that market. Sometimes I buy from Coleman's, despite the >higher price. Why? Because they have it in stock NOW, and don't have >to order it. Sometimes it's worth the cost - to me - of having it right Good, maybe your keeping them in business. > As for Glenn, if you'd deposited on a bike and signed a deal, and they >sold it "out from underneath" you, why didn't you make them get you >another similar bike? You also can take them to small claims court, >which you can handle pro se for virtually nothing, and seek not just the Sure, and be another one of those idiots in court suing someone for nothing, Sorry, I'd rather get my money back and spend it in decent establishment. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 07:18:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20994; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16511; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14270; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26562; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (dialup17.illuminet.net [205.215.55.17]) by server2.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA27117 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:32:17 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970528071958.00678dc0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 07:19:58 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: speeding That was a great!!!! You really had me going for a while. I almost didn't recognize it for the parody of nanny-state liberalism that it was. ROTFLMAO. > >Actually, I don't agree with you here. . . . a bunch of really funny stuff snipped here. > >Flame away. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 09:01:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21738; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17185; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17678; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:01:05 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA13510 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:00:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013022; Wed May 28 07:54:28 1997 Message-ID: <338C2AFE.64C0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:54:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: COLEMAN'S VILLIFICATION References: <338C33AD@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B. wrote: > > BLAH BLAH BLAH! > Sure, and be another one of those idiots in court suing someone for > nothing, Sorry, I'd rather get my money back and spend it in decent > establishment. > Glenn: If, by your own words, Coleman's actions amounted to "nothing," then why are you bellyaching about it years later to an entire mailing list? If what Coleman's did was unethical, you have available remedies. If what they did was not unethical, then out of simple fairness you shouldn't be badmouthing them. BTW, nobody gets sued for "nothing." That's what a motion to dismiss is for. > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 09:50:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22187; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18488; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19574; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA16552 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA19555 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:49:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA15903 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:49:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speeding Dangers X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970528134915.AAA15903@localHost> Thanks Tim. You beat me to it. Linda, take a chill pill. Your blood pressure is what's gonna get you, not us nasty speeders..;^) Ok everyone, maybe we can get back to 'Motorcycling'! Todd the chastised. Message-ID: <338B8993.29D6@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 21:25:39 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: MORROWS@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speeding Dangers References: <970527194841_353616650@emout03.mail.aol.com> ISOcredo@XXXXXX wrote: > Who would pay for the ambulance that comes to scrape you up off > the pavement when you zoom through a curve at a safe 95mph and hit gravel? > Or when trash flies out of the truck in the next lane and you can't avoid it > because you're going too fast? Certainly the above comments contain their own presumptions about the habits of others. Just because someone opines that speeding in and of itself is not necessarily dangerous does not mean that they condone (let alone engage in) the above practices. > < < < > << Speeding does not kill. If that were true, everyone would die at the > < << ability is what should be of concern. > > Hey Einstein! Number one, everyone in the Indy 500 is going about the same > rate of speed. One of the most dangerous aspects of speeding in the real > world is the large difference it creates in rates of speed of different > vehicles, which is inherently dangerous. Your reasoning is less clear than that of the gentleman you're flaming. Bad driving (and or riding), poor judgement and riding outside one's ability are all more prevalent contributing factors in motorcycle accidents than excessive speed. Read the literature. By your own example, simply raising the speed limit to, say, 90 mph on the beltway and strictly enforcing a minimum 80 mph speed would mitigate the speed differential and thus one of the most dangerous aspects of speed. Of course, such an approach would fail to take into account the rather large differences in rider/driver ability, judgement, vehicle performance, environmental factors, etc. > Number two, everyone in the Indy > 500 is an experienced racer who knows how to handle the speed. Well, not this year! > Even if you > happen to be Indy 500 caliber, which I doubt, the rest of us on the road > aren't, and we don't necessarily know to expect Speed Racer coming up behind > us at a high rate of speed, or what to do if Speed Racer loses control. Let's not raise the speed limit to 90mph, then! > Number three, "speeding does not kill" is about as intelligent a statement as > "guns do not kill". Quite true. Both are unerringly accurate. > Maybe speeding doesn't kill, but speeders do. Thought not nearly so often as drunken, inattentive, distracted, and/or the criminally unskilled do. > Choosing > to ride at extreme speeds on anything other than racetracks is itself bad > judgment, and it seems to be a choice made by individuals who often are not > particularly good at recognizing their own limits or the limits imposed by > the roads and traffic situations they're in. Or perhaps a choice made by individuals who have racetrack experience and know when and how speed can be utilized without endangering self or those around them. At least some speeders are the latter. > Personally, I resent people who speed (meaning REALLY speed, which in my > definition would certainly include 80mph in a 55 mph zone) because I believe > they're endangering my life and the lives of others. I believe it's a sign > of an inconsiderate person with a lot of regard for themselves and not much > regard for anyone else. You're certainly welcome to your opinion. Since I have on rare occasions actually exceeded the speed limit, I suppose I fall into the above category. In my opinion, I pose much less a danger to you than the semi-comatose, inert cagers bumbling their way to work, cellular phone in ear and McDonalds coffee in their minivan cupholders. At least I'm concious of what I'm doing out there. > I wish the cops did a lot more speed enforcement, > and I wish it were harder for speeders to get their fines reduced. I wish > people who habitually speeded and were repeatedly caught would lose their > licenses. What about those of us who 'habitually' speed and have only been caught once in the last thirteen years? Perhaps the cops need more training, equipment, or manpower! -- Tim Morrow Herndon, Va. Morrows@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 10:22:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22635; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19031; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21633; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA03809 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338C68F6@XXXXXX>; Wed, 28 May 97 10:18:46 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: COLEMAN'S VILLIFICATION Date: Wed, 28 May 97 10:16:00 PDT Message-ID: <338C68F6@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Correction, I didn't say their actions amounted to nothing, I said a law suite would amount to nothing. I mean come on don't we have enough of these stupid little law suites in courts already... Is it going to be worth suing them? For what purpose? To make them get me another bike? I think its a lot easier plus I felt better to just get my money back even if it was a hassle and take my business elsewhere. I'm not crazy about giving my business to people I don't like. Additionally, If their sales department is that bad why would I want to buy the bike and worry about to taking it to their service department (who is also bad from what I understand) if its provided with a warranty (other than a factory warranty). The bottom line is my experiences at Coleman and from what I can tell others on the list, plus several of my friends has been very poor in general. I think its great you love Coleman Powersport. If you want to spend money there than go ahead, but if someone on the list asks for an opinion on a particular place I'm giving mine which in Coleman's case is they pretty much suck for customer service and price. I'm not going to recommend a place to anyone with such a poor reputation when there are a ton of other establishments that don't treat the customer like dirt. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >Glenn: If, by your own words, Coleman's actions amounted to "nothing," >then why are you bellyaching about it years later to an entire mailing >list? If what Coleman's did was unethical, you have available >remedies. If what they did was not unethical, then out of simple >fairness you shouldn't be badmouthing them. BTW, nobody gets sued for >"nothing." That's what a motion to dismiss is for. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 10:59:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23361; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20331; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gates.ejbell.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23766; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gates.ejbell.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:05:44 -0400 Message-ID: <31794BF4BD72CF11BC3F0040C71114F819EDCB@gates.ejbell.com> From: "Gilley, Lester" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: I can'ts take's no mo!!! Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:05:42 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Blah, blah, blah. Speeding in Washington VA is dumb. My friends and I painfully ride through there at 60-65 so we don't get tickets. Same goes for coming back from Front Royal on 66 where there is always a cop sitting on one of the bridges there. No cops checking for speeders would lead to a social anarchy in my opinion. Many people ride/drive in ways that they aren't capable of but they do it any way. Taking away checks for these people would be bad for everyone (the individual, the other person, the road crews, the hospitals, Insurance companies, etc.). Citizens with cell phones can help here. You see a butthead on the Dulles Toll Road weaving in and out of traffic in the mornings, give the VA police a call. They'll pick'm up. Taxes, taxes, taxes. Enough said. Colemans is a hard place to buy a motorcycle. I've purchased two there. One I got a really good deal on (bought a '94 CBR1000 in '95 for $7,400). I just bought a '97 YZF1000 and paid $200-$300 more than what other people have been paying. If you are a savvy business person, Coleman's can be a great place. Coleman's will also take any amount of money you're willing to pay. As for motorcycle stuff (assuming that someone is still reading that crap). Six of us took a 420 mile adventure through Skyline Drive, Right on US33 through Harrisonburg all the way to Elkins WVa. From there we took Rt. 219 to Rt 50 in WVa back home to Chantilly. This was an excellent ride. Long as hell but it was great. One more thing, I got a bit over 50 miles a gallon on my YZF. That was nice. If I'm not banished from the list, perhaps I'll see some more rides posted later today. - Lester '97 YZF1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 11:43:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24160; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21485; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26485; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA14824 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:42:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013718; Wed May 28 10:35:36 1997 Message-ID: <338C50C3.5D18@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:35:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I can'ts take's no mo!!! References: <31794BF4BD72CF11BC3F0040C71114F819EDCB@gates.ejbell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gilley, Lester wrote: > > If I'm not banished from the list, perhaps I'll see some more rides > posted later today. Lester: You'd never be banished. Despite all our divergent views on politics, taxes, speeding, Coleman's, the best riding suits (just figured I'd start another string from hell), all is forgiven if you come up with a great ride to recommend to the group. That last one sounds terrific. Thanks for sharing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 11:48:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24237; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21662; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26858; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 38c51a10; Wed, 28 May 97 11:39:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <38c51a10@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: I can'ts take's no mo!!! To: "'DC Cycles'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part _______________________________________________________________________________ >As for motorcycle stuff (assuming that someone is still reading that crap). Six of us took a 420 mile adventure through Skyline Drive, Right on US33 through Harrisonburg all the way to Elkins WVa. From there we took Rt. 219 to Rt 50 in WVa back home to Chantilly. This was an excellent ride. Long as hell but it was great. One more thing, I got a bit over 50 miles a gallon on my YZF. That was nice. Congrats on the new ride. I saw another new YZF on Saturday, up north in Stroudsburg. Looked very nice. MCN just put out a very favorable review of your bike. Is it comfortable to wear for that long? New bikes are great, everything works. My last new bike was sold to me with just enough gas in it to get me halfway through the Fort McHenry tunnel. :P Sounded like the ride was a good one, was it all secondary roads? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 12:23:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24915; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22750; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28759; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.10.223.134] (ip134.washington4.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.223.134]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15814 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:23:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970527194235_-1498312700@emout20.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:33:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: speeding (was re: TICKET!!!) Easy there killer! You sound so angry. ><< Since I knew the list would also be reading ><< I wanted all to know how I feel about Taxes. I'm sure everyone feels >< >Actually, I don't agree with you here. I wouldn't have bothered to reply, >except that you're presuming to speak for me and others. If you and I and >everyone else didn't pay taxes, who would pave the roads you so enjoy >speeding on? Who would pay for the ambulance that comes to scrape you up off >the pavement when you zoom through a curve at a safe 95mph and hit gravel? > Or when trash flies out of the truck in the next lane and you can't avoid it >because you're going too fast? My beef with taxes is how they are spent, not that I have to pay them. I'd gladly pay 20% more in taxes if I were guaranteed perfect pavement, ambulances that arrive in a timely manner, and street sweepers to come along and get rid of the trash on the road. >Hey Einstein! Number one, everyone in the Indy 500 is going about the same >rate of speed. As a racer (shameless plug: races this weekend at Summit Point - grab a friend and go!), I can say that (as a slow guy) the fast guys are significantly faster, and being hit by one would suck. The real benefit of racing is that everyone is paying full and complete attention to the task at hand, rather than their cellphone/book/makeup/zits/screaming brats and or spouse. One of the most dangerous aspects of speeding in the real >world is the large difference it creates in rates of speed of different >vehicles, which is inherently dangerous. Number two, everyone in the Indy >500 is an experienced racer who knows how to handle the speed. You raise a good point: going fast isn't rocket science. However, maintaining control of your vehicle when something unexpected comes up at high speed is. Even if you >happen to be Indy 500 caliber, which I doubt, the rest of us on the road >aren't, and we don't necessarily know to expect Speed Racer coming up behind >us at a high rate of speed, or what to do if Speed Racer loses control. Again, it's about experience and control. Most citizens (as opposed to die-hard speed junkies) freak and do something stupid when presented with a rapidly approaching vehicle. >Number three, "speeding does not kill" is about as intelligent a statement as >"guns do not kill". If I were truly pedantic, I'd point out that unless the gun in question were used as a blunt object, that guns *don't* kill people, bullets do, and then only when some idiot points them at a person and pulls the trigger. Maybe speeding doesn't kill, but speeders do. Choosing >to ride at extreme speeds on anything other than racetracks is itself bad >judgment, and it seems to be a choice made by individuals who often are not >particularly good at recognizing their own limits or the limits imposed by >the roads and traffic situations they're in. I was listening to NPR this AM, and there was a very interesting segment on Drivers Ed. One point that was made was that teaching the motor skills involved in operating a vehicle was the easy part. Teaching judgement and maturity proves to be nearly impossible. > >Personally, I resent people who speed (meaning REALLY speed, which in my >definition would certainly include 80mph in a 55 mph zone) because I believe >they're endangering my life and the lives of others. So, I take it then, that you never ever exceed the speed limit? In for a penny, in for a pound. Let's take a look at the percentages here: I take your statement to mean that 15mph over in a 55 zone is irresponsible. However, 45 in a 35 zone is fine, because it is only 10mph over the posted limit. 80 in a 55 zone is 27% over the posted limit, while 45 in a 35 is 28% over, making it a greater infraction of the law. If the law weren't black and white, this would actually make a difference. :) I believe it's a sign >of an inconsiderate person with a lot of regard for themselves and not much >regard for anyone else. There is no room in your world for a person who can go faster than traffic and *not* cause a problem? I.E. speed considerately while retaining complete control of their vehicle, not cutting people off, not tailgating? I wish the cops did a lot more speed enforcement, >and I wish it were harder for speeders to get their fines reduced. I'd never wish that on anyone. Mostly because it is like inviting the devil into your house - where or when does the increase in authority end, and what impact will it have on the general population (i.e. how focused could the enforcement be and still be constitutional)? I believe that the penalties should be stiffest for causing an accident, not for breaking a rule that was created when the average car was 3500 pounds, had skinny bias ply tires, and going over 100mph was the mark of a fine sports car. I wish >people who habitually speeded and were repeatedly caught would lose their >licenses. They do. Perhaps the word permantently fits your intent? So there you have it. My personal opinion, which I have a right >to express just like you do. I would have kept mine to myself if you had >kept yours to yourself. I love a well expressed opinion, and have great respect for anyone who can articulate it well. > >Flame away. I hope that this isn't perceive as a flame, but rather a thought provoking discourse. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 13:09:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25729; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24474; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01542; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA20524 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA22117 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA13269 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:07:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I can'ts take's no mo!!! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970528170758.AAA13269@localHost> Tony wrote: <<>> >figured I'd start another string from hell), all is forgiven if you come >up with a great ride to recommend to the group. That last one sounds >terrific. Thanks for sharing it. Hey Tony and everyone else, check Collin Fagens page of Assorted Ride sheets at: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ride.html I can't vouch for all, but the PARR runs I sent him are pretty nice - especially that first. Some shameless adverts for you Collin, if your on ;-) later, Todd '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' [---------------------------STOC #487----------------------------]] "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it would be no life at all" -- Hans Hass "Who bravely dares must sometimes risk a fall." --Tobias G. Smollett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 13:47:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26805; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25490; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04911; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27077 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705281746.NAA27077@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: I can'ts take's no mo!!! Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 13:46:41 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Speeding is dumb. My friends and I painfully ride > through there at 60-65 so we don't get tickets. Hmm... that's funny, 'cause Tom and Rich BOTH got tickets the first week of May. You forget that already? Although neither you nor I were there, they're still part of our riding group. > Citizens with cell phones can > help here. You see a butthead on the Dulles Toll Road weaving in and > out of traffic in the mornings, give the VA police a call. They'll > pick'm up. > Taxes, taxes, taxes. Enough said. You have GOT to be kidding! Right? Oh man I hope so. Just think Dean, if half of 1% of the people you have passed at 100+ MPH in the last MONTH called on you, you would undoubtfully either be in jail or without license I'm sure. I'm not saying that I wasn't with you or wasn't doing the same thing, but then again I also am not telling people to call the police on riders either! > Colemans is a hard place to buy a motorcycle. I've purchased two there. I was there, and it's no more difficult to buy there than anywhere else, if you are prepared before you go. The reason you paid more this time vs. when you bought the CBR is because we didn't have pricing from other dealers in advance, and we both bought motorcycles at the same time. IMHO you got a GOOD deal on your new YZF, considering the condition of your trade. Undoubtedly you could have saved a couple hundred more if you were not trading in and paying cash, but you had a trade in. You also saved yourself the hassle of selling your bike on your own. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend Coleman, because I believe given the same amount of effort anyone can get a better deal somewhere else, but the key is availability and effort. > - Lester > '97 YZF1000 Bergie '95 ZX11D PS: I've heard that this coming Saturday is the brute horsepower shootout up at Fast Lane Cycles, can anyone confirm? Too bad I won't be in town. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 13:53:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27085; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25651; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05465; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA06406 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338C9ACD@XXXXXX>; Wed, 28 May 97 13:51:25 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: I can'ts take's no mo!!! Date: Wed, 28 May 97 13:49:00 PDT Message-ID: <338C9ACD@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Great ride, how come you didn't invite any of us? Anyone else ever take the roads in WV? There are a lot of great roads out there, just takes a hour or 2 to get there. So many good ones. These are some of my favorites: WV 55, WV 259, of course US 33, US 250, and WV 9. Anyone else heads out that way let me know so I can tag along. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >As for motorcycle stuff (assuming that someone is still reading that >crap). Six of us took a 420 mile adventure through Skyline Drive, Right >on US33 through Harrisonburg all the way to Elkins WVa. From there we >took Rt. 219 to Rt 50 in WVa back home to Chantilly. This was an >excellent ride. Long as hell but it was great. One more thing, I got a >bit over 50 miles a gallon on my YZF. That was nice. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 14:24:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28314; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26186; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gates.ejbell.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08920; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gates.ejbell.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:30:49 -0400 Message-ID: <31794BF4BD72CF11BC3F0040C71114F819EDD0@gates.ejbell.com> From: "Gilley, Lester" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: I can'ts take's no mo!!! Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:30:46 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > > Speeding is dumb. My friends and I painfully ride > > through there at 60-65 so we don't get tickets. > > Hmm... that's funny, 'cause Tom and Rich BOTH got tickets the first > week > of May. You forget that already? Although neither you nor I were > there, > they're still part of our riding group. > > If you read the message instead of being a fool, you'd know that we never speed through Washington, VA or on 66 by the bridge with the cops. Maybe that's why we never get tickets there????? I guess that you've been riding with someone else. > Rich and Tom got tickets on Rt. 29 heading out of Gainsville towards Manassas (50 miles from where I was talking about) one Friday evening. They were also being hassled by a car with at least two drunk people in it. The next car came speeding up on them so they speed up to clear themselves from danger. It just happened to be an unsimpathetic cop. Then again, I don't remember that part. > > Citizens with cell phones can > > help here. You see a butthead on the Dulles Toll Road weaving in > and > > out of traffic in the mornings, give the VA police a call. They'll > > pick'm up. > > Taxes, taxes, taxes. Enough said. > > You have GOT to be kidding! Right? Oh man I hope so. > Just think Dean, if half of 1% of the people you have passed at 100+ > MPH > in the last MONTH called on you, you would undoubtfully either be in > jail > or without license I'm sure. > > Nope, I'm not kidding. With the one exception of a high speed pass through Skyline, we never speed through heavy traffic (weaving in and out of traffic or shoulder riding) like what is on the Toll Road in the mornings. Riding fast has it's places. Other places don't. Then again, I've never lost my licence which must mean that I don't drive like a nut where I'm not supposed to. > My statement on this could be taken any way by anyone that wants to listed to it. Obviously opinions vary. > As for Coleman, nothing new was said, only confirmation. Coleman is a good place for savvy business people (like yourself). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 14:25:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28454; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26222; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09111; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tgimer.smart.net (a2p2dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.34]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27046 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:28:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199705281828.OAA27046@gemini.smart.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:25:10 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Organization: Little or No Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speeding (was re: TICKET!!!) References: <970527194235_-1498312700@emout20.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ISOcredo@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Personally, I resent people who speed (meaning REALLY speed, which in my > definition would certainly include 80mph in a 55 mph zone) because I believe > they're endangering my life and the lives of others. 80 mph in a 55 on a motorcycle and you're scared for your life? Better stay home in the safety of your living room. Safe driving has very little to do with speed limits. Those are for generating income. > I believe it's a sign > of an inconsiderate person with a lot of regard for themselves and not much > regard for anyone else. In an ideal world we would all care deeply about everyone else. Is this that kind of world? > I wish the cops did a lot more speed enforcement, > and I wish it were harder for speeders to get their fines reduced. I wish > people who habitually speeded and were repeatedly caught would lose their > licenses. Ok....wish granted. Read up on the dispositions of recent license hearings. > So there you have it. My personal opinion, which I have a right > to express just like you do. I would have kept mine to myself if you had > kept yours to yourself. Where's the fun in that? > Flame away. > > --Linda -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX '90 XR600R '93 XR250R '94 ZX-6E AMA#549096 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 14:55:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29824; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26780; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12551; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13395 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705281855.OAA13395@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: I can'ts take's no mo!!! Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 14:54:51 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Great ride, how come you didn't invite any of us We normally do post a message, but of the four or so attempts at organizing a group ride through the dc cycles list, none have been successful. Only our regular group shows up, so far, nobody new. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 15:07:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00403; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27113; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13960; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:07:26 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA22581 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:06:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019445; Wed May 28 13:46:23 1997 Message-ID: <338C7D7B.CCA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:46:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: WVA Riding References: <338C9ACD@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ride in West Virginia almost every weekend, and yes it's great. ALMOST HEAVEN, like the song says. I have a weekend place near Berkeley Springs, and virtually every road around that area is a) well maintained, b) twisty, c) low traffic density, d) not highly patroled, and e) beautiful scenery. Come out some weekend and ride 'em. You'll fit right in; there's usually a few other riders out there enjoying it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 15:29:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01244; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27431; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16338; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:29:39 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA11739; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970528152827_813117562@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: VFR@XXXXXX Subject: Kawasaki rider killed today in Wheaton MD (no VFR content) My friend saw a (probable) Kawasaki sportbike (green) go by in the opposite direction on Randolph Rd near Georgia Av in Wheaton MD around 1pm today (wed). He heard 3 full-throttle up-shifts as the bike approached, and heard the guy go most of the way thru 4th. That's around 120mph on a 4 lane, winding, heavily traveled road. A small schoolbus with a wheelchair lift in the side made a left turn in front of him, into the county bus facility. Obviously, the driver did not percieve the cycle's closing speed. My friend watched all this in his rear view mirror. The rider tried to go around the bus, but came up about 3 feet short. He hit the bus square in the wheelchair lift. My friend arrived on the scene just as the bus driver was opening the rider's face shield. I will not describe what he saw, nor what he saw when the paramedics removed the helmet. You can imagine. He/she was obviously killed on impact. I don't know anyone with a green Kawasaki. If you do, and he/she might do something like this, maybe you want to give him/her a call. I don't know if the bike was all green, or if it was another type of bike painted Kawasaki green. I have no description of the rider, including gender. Try to have a nicer day than this rider. Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 15:34:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01446; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27706; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17053; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA24320; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970528153347_-697429122@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: vfr@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 90-93 VFR wanted in MD area Hey, y'all Frances has decided she might be able to live with a red VFR so she doesn't have to travel all over the east coast or wait until winter to get one she can afford. So if you know of one under $6000, and the further under, the better, please let me know. (She was holding out for a 92-93 only) We're going to look at a 91 near Annapolis tonite. Thanks Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 15:36:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01516; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27743; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17183; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:35:40 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:35:23 -0400 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tjoseph@XXXXXX Subject: WVA Riding -Reply Hey, I also have a place out there! Maybe we can get together in WV. June 14th there are motorcycle races at Summit Point anyone interested in meeting and riding there or meeting there? sandy >>> 05/28/97 02:46pm >>> I ride in West Virginia almost every weekend, and yes it's great. ALMOST HEAVEN, like the song says. I have a weekend place near Berkeley Springs, and virtually every road around that area is a) well maintained, b) twisty, c) low traffic density, d) not highly patroled, and e) beautiful scenery. Come out some weekend and ride 'em. You'll fit right in; there's usually a few other riders out there enjoying it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 15:37:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01537; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27756; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from multi3.netcomi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17192; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cimpro@localhost) by multi3.netcomi.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) id OAA14191; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:37:03 -0500 Received: from jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (jeeves.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.37.11]) by multi3.netcomi.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14185 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:35:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16421; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:35:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 28 May 1997 14:35:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA16402 for vfr-outgoing; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:35:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16398 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:35:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com (emout02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.93]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00181 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:35:21 -0500 (CDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA24320; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970528153347_-697429122@emout02.mail.aol.com> Old-To: vfr@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 90-93 VFR wanted in MD area Sender: owner-vfr@XXXXXX Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk X-Loop: joglevee@XXXXXX To: joglevee@XXXXXX Hey, y'all Frances has decided she might be able to live with a red VFR so she doesn't have to travel all over the east coast or wait until winter to get one she can afford. So if you know of one under $6000, and the further under, the better, please let me know. (She was holding out for a 92-93 only) We're going to look at a 91 near Annapolis tonite. Thanks Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 15:41:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01737; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27847; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17829; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA07609; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338CB3D3@XXXXXX>; Wed, 28 May 97 15:38:11 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: Bergie Frazier Jr , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: I can'ts take's no mo!!! Date: Wed, 28 May 97 15:35:00 PDT Message-ID: <338CB3D3@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 One post would do it for me. That's all I need. Just give me the time and date and I'll be there baring any other commitments or disasters. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >We normally do post a message, but of the four or so >attempts at organizing a group ride through the dc cycles >list, none have been successful. Only our regular group >shows up, so far, nobody new. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 16:12:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02984; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28998; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from comptroller.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21202; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Payroll.umd.edu ([129.2.32.196]) by comptroller.umd.edu (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA133; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:09:41 -0400 Message-ID: <338C9251.4F28@comptroller.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:15:13 -0400 From: dhowell@XXXXXX (Delonte M. Howell) Reply-To: dhowell@XXXXXX Organization: University of Maryland, Office of the Comptroller X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KLThomas77@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, VFR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki rider killed today in Wheaton MD (no VFR content) References: <970528152827_813117562@emout17.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine just called me at work from her car and said that the traffic there is not moving at all. If you have to go this way in the next half an hour or so think about another route. Sorry to hear about this guy, but the rest of you be safe. Delonte' KLThomas77@XXXXXX wrote: > > My friend saw a (probable) Kawasaki sportbike (green) go by in the opposite > direction on Randolph Rd near Georgia Av in Wheaton MD around 1pm today > (wed). He heard 3 full-throttle up-shifts as the bike approached, and heard > the guy go most of the way thru 4th. That's around 120mph on a 4 lane, > winding, heavily traveled road. A small schoolbus with a wheelchair lift in > the side made a left turn in front of him, into the county bus facility. > Obviously, the driver did not percieve the cycle's closing speed. My > friend watched all this in his rear view mirror. The rider tried to go > around the bus, but came up about 3 feet short. He hit the bus square in the > wheelchair lift. My friend arrived on the scene just as the bus driver was > opening the rider's face shield. I will not describe what he saw, nor what > he saw when the paramedics removed the helmet. You can imagine. He/she was > obviously killed on impact. > > I don't know anyone with a green Kawasaki. If you do, and he/she might do > something like this, maybe you want to give him/her a call. > > I don't know if the bike was all green, or if it was another type of bike > painted Kawasaki green. I have no description of the rider, including > gender. > > Try to have a nicer day than this rider. > > Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 16:30:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03613; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29398; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23004; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by mail1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12976; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <338CC023.461D@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:30:43 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bergie Frazier Jr CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: I can'ts take's no mo!!! References: <199705281855.OAA13395@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: > We normally do post a message, but of the four or so > attempts at organizing a group ride through the dc cycles > list, none have been successful. Only our regular group > shows up, so far, nobody new. Hey Bergie, I resemble that last remark ;) I'm pretty sure I rode with you guys on Saturday, unless someone else has a BERGZX license tag ! (I was the one holding you guys up ;^D JK ======================================================================== John C. Kozyn |"When we have just gotten out of the way of a 1985 VF700F | vehicle, we are most in danger of being run over." "Interceptor" | http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/ (F. Neitzsche) ======================================================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 16:55:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04635; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00356; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25913; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:55:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA22979 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970528165408_22230577@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Freestate Cycles on Route 1 In a message dated 97-05-27 10:05:39 EDT, tjoseph@XXXXXX writes: << Hate to say it, but I'm back to Coleman's until Freestate gets their act together. I am willing to pay the difference for the service. >> I have to say that Coleman's (Falls Church VA) is the anti-Christ. They are rude and just all-around jerks. We tried to buy from them, but were so disgusted we went out and found *much* better elsewhere (price and service). That said: Hi! I'm Sharon, my husband is Jon. We have a Ninja and a Shadow. We live in Falls Church and would love to go riding - esp. on Sundays (we're both off). Keep the sticky side down! Sharon Barbelle14@XXXXXX --------------------- Forwarded message: From: tjoseph@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 97-05-27 10:05:39 EDT I used to use Freestate for parts all the time, and really liked 'em. But the last several times I've called they have been lousy. Either they put me on hold forever (more than 10 minutes and I hang up), or couldn't quote me a price for a part, or promised to call me right back and never did - even after I re-called them 3 times. So I suppose they're having some staff problems right now. Hate to say it, but I'm back to Coleman's until Freestate gets their act together. I am willing to pay the difference for the service. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 17:54:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06955; Wed, 28 May 1997 17:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01984; Wed, 28 May 1997 17:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03063; Wed, 28 May 1997 17:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17653; Wed, 28 May 1997 17:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705282154.RAA17653@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "John C. Kozyn" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: I can'ts take's no mo!!! Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 17:54:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I resemble that last remark ;) > > I'm pretty sure I rode with you guys on Saturday, unless someone else > has a BERGZX license tag ! (I was the one holding you guys up ;^D Yeah but you were dragged to our meeting by a member of our group! So that doesn't count. What I meant to say is that posting a message has yet to yield any new members of our weekend rides.. Hehe, but yeah it was cool meeting you and hopefully you'll join us again! Berg(ZX) As you so mentioned.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 18:10:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07531; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02580; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwwnni.us.newbridge.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04566; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from herndon-gw1.us.newbridge.com (herndon-gw1 [204.177.219.66]) by wwwnni.us.newbridge.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA09616 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hernmaster.us.newbridge.com ([138.120.108.6]) by herndon-gw1.us.newbridge.com via smtpd (for wwwnni.us.newbridge.com [204.177.219.11]) with SMTP; 28 May 1997 22:10:28 UT Received: (from smap@localhost) by hernmaster.us.newbridge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA19016 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:10:27 -0400 Received: from mako.us.newbridge.com(138.120.85.99) by hernmaster.us.newbridge.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019006; Wed May 28 18:09:58 1997 Received: from erebus.nni by mako.us.newbridge.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA22366; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:08:59 -0400 Received: from erebus by erebus.nni (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA09028; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:08:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: John Donovan X-Sender: jdonovan@erebus To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: '92 GSX1100G forsale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well I dont want to do it.... but I'm in need of cash for other projects...so This is Suzuki's Big bore standard shaft drive, not the GSXR sportbike 4600 miles, progressive springs, new metzler rubber, in good shape. $4500 703.736.5929 Work 703.715.8352 Home -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John Donovan Sys. Admin. So now I think I'll leave you jdonovan@XXXXXX with your bishops and your guilt Newbridge Networks Herndon, VA so until the next time DOD#-96 1992 Suzuki GSX1100G have a good sin 1997 Dodge 2500 Diesel 4x4 -Iron Maiden Only The Good Die Young The above is my personal view and is not, and should not be interpreted as, the views, policies or position of Newbridge Networks or any of its employees. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 19:53:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10944; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05142; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14269; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ISOcredo@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA09608 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970528195302_-1866644692@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: speeding: apology and stats I know we'd all like to "get back to motorcycling", as said in another post, and I wholeheartedly agree. I promise to refrain from any more posts about the evils of speeding if others promise not to request info on how to beat speeding tickets or brag about going 110 in a 55 mph zone. But if the topic comes up again and noone else criticizes speeding, I'll speak up. Hopefully next time I won't be so angry, so maybe the message will get across more clearly and less offensively. My apologies for the volume level; and by the way, for those who care, my blood pressure's fine. ;-) For those of you who like facts, here's the one I worry about when people say speeding isn't unsafe. According to the National Safety Council, based on reports from 11 state traffic authorities, "speed too fast or unsafe" was reported as the cause of 19.5% of fatal accidents and 11.9% of all accidents in 1994. By the way, this does not include other "improper driving" like improper overtaking, crossing the centerline, following too closely, etc. This is just plain going too fast. You make your own decisions everytime you turn the key. Be smart, for your own sake and for the sake of everyone else who has to share these too-crowded roads with you. --Linda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 22:26:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12871; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06478; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21362; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as10s48.erols.com [207.172.34.111]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01096 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:25:20 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970528222638.006adb30@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:26:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: SGLI & Orange Vests Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings all, I saw a post here a little while back that I was pretty sure was BS, but it made me start thinking. The original poster claimed (rather adimately sp?) that Servicemen's Group Life Insurance (which most all military members carry) would not pay if you were not wearing all of the DOD prescribed gear. In particular, the discussion was aligned at the orange vest that so many like to take off right outside the gates. I didn't want to open my big mouth without all of the facts (although I've been known to do that before), so I decided to contact SGLI about the issue. What it boils down to is that they will pay for all deaths except suicides (does purposely driving triple digits on back roads count as suicide :). I specifically addressed the riding gear issue with the rep, and I was informed that this didn't matter. Upon further investigation, (since I was the m/c rep at my last unit) the only time the riding gear issue comes up is for your MEDICAL benefits while riding on base. If you aren't wearing the gear on base and get in an accident, the gov't doesn't have to cover your medical expenses. Now for you DOT boys, there might be some internal policy that extends this medical clause to riding off base, but from the folks I've talked to that is generally not the case. Being a Coasty (I know, bring on the 6' tall jokes), we have the great pleasure of being DOT. As such, the only time the riding gear is applied to me is when I go onto a base. However, I wear all but the nifty orange vest all the time anyway. I am planning on buying one though, I've seen too much traffic around here in the past year not to. A little on the side, I see a lot of the guys heading onto bases who are wearing their orange vests like good soldiers, unfortuneately it doesn't do a heck of a lot of good with a dark backpack on over it. If you see someone like this, be smart and remind our fellow service members to get it on the outside where it can be seen and do its job. Ride Safe. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 22:43:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13098; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06668; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22185; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id WAA10791 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338D165E@XXXXXX>; Wed, 28 May 97 22:38:38 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: speeding: apology and stats Date: Wed, 28 May 97 22:35:00 PDT Message-ID: <338D165E@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I agree that going excessive speeds is probably not a safe thing to do but going the absolute speed limit may not be either. Take for instance the Beltway. Everyone is going 65-70. If you are going 55 you are more likely going to get run over than doing 65. In a situation like this I think speeding is necessary to help save your life. Just my thoughts Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >the evils of speeding if others promise not to request info on how to beat >speeding tickets or brag about going 110 in a 55 mph zone. But if the topic >comes up again and noone else criticizes speeding, I'll speak up. Hopefully >next time I won't be so angry, so maybe the message will get across more >For those of you who like facts, here's the one I worry about when people say >speeding isn't unsafe. According to the National Safety Council, based on >reports from 11 state traffic authorities, "speed too fast or unsafe" was >reported as the cause of 19.5% of fatal accidents and 11.9% of all accidents From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 28 23:29:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13601; Wed, 28 May 1997 23:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08749; Wed, 28 May 1997 23:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23790; Wed, 28 May 1997 23:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as10s48.erols.com [207.172.34.111]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA12738 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 23:28:30 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970528232959.006b881c@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 23:29:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Opinions...delete if ya don't wanna hear em Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Opinions are all my own, please, please, please, post replies to me and not the entire group. It took me over an hour to weed through all the muddle tonight. 55mph speed limit: This came about due to the gas shortages back in the 70's (?? before my time) Federal reports from then and now both showed hard evidence that there were fewer accidents when the speed limit was at 80 (then) and 65 (now). In fact, the places where the speed limit was basically unlimited during daylight hours had the lowest accident rates. As for speeding in congestion though, I am a firm believer in backing off. I still like to stay a mile or two per hour faster or slower than the cages so that I don't "blend" in to their zombie stares. Speeding in residential areas I am even more adimant about. DON'T DO IT...You never know when a kid or small animal will be in front of you. Yes, In the back woods, I go into the triple digits quite often and I like to scrape things on the ground. But I do it out yonder where a lot of the city factors aren't in the way to cloud my brain. Crashing: There are two types of riders: Those that have been down and those that are going down. Anyone that says they have never been down and never will are flat out lyers. I have only come across one person who has been riding >15-20 years that never had the misfortune of meeting the pavement. Taxes: Idon't mind paying, but for you VA residents, you're getting raped, and what do you get for it...Lousy roads, closed schools, underpaid public servants (police/fire/ambulance..not the politicians...they make plenty) Not to mention the double taxing: income/property Photo Radar: It will suck, but we will probably see it in the area eventually. As for the flip up tags, some of the NEDOD listers up in the Mass. area have already fitted them! Guns: I own....1,2...3...well OK, 8. 4 handguns, 1 shotgun, 1 very high powered hunting rifle (338 winmag), and an MAK90 (very similar to AK47). As with vehicles, they themselves are perfectly harmless. Irresponsible people can make either deadly. Insurance: I use State Farm and like it. Coverage is high, rates are cheap. I'm under 25 (for another month and a half), have one claim, no tickets (that they know about). When I got married it did not change the rates. Surprisingly, neither did changing zip codes from first the Oregon boonies, to Loudoun cty, and now to fairfax cty. Riding: I love to ride. Do it every day, more on weekends. Ride to suit the occasion: cruise when with cruisers, zip around with sport bikes. Anyone wanting to join me, feel free to holler. and oh yes, I'm a moderate republican. :) but I really don't care for where politicians have gone on either side of the fence Whew....I know there were a few other things from the monster 70 posts over the past few days that warranted comments, but I can't remember all of them. Can't we all just be friends??? Please take all the above with a little smile. As someone mentioned, it's just like any other social issue (abortion, speeding, etc.): It's highly unlikely that we're going to change anyones opinions, so let's let it rest and get back to riding in this beautiful weather. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 00:05:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14185; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09728; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25440; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id AAA06673 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:03:09 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma006667; Thu, 29 May 97 00:03:08 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id AAA24186 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA864878805; Thu, 29 May 97 00:06:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9705298648.AA864878805@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 28 May 97 18:53:36 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: cheap sunglass...er, motorcycle? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, Anyone have a cheap, but running and legal, motorcycle for me? I want to do some work on my main bike. My problem is that my bike is the only means of transportation I own... wondering if someone has something they want to more or less give away. If not, not... I'll go spend $500 on this piecer truck I pass on the way to work everyday... but would rather have a bike... Thanks in advance.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 00:05:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14211; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09747; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25462; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id AAA06686 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:03:39 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma006680; Thu, 29 May 97 00:03:10 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id AAA24191 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA864878807; Thu, 29 May 97 00:06:48 -0500 Message-Id: <9705298648.AA864878807@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 28 May 97 19:19:44 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: motorcycle salvage yards? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello again.. Ok, how about motorcycle salvage yards in arround the D.C./Baltimore areas? Anything within about 60 miles of D.C... thanks.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 00:40:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14627; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10686; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26403; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp5.visuallink.com [206.151.68.165]) by visuallink.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA30047; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:40:51 -0400 Message-ID: <338D31CE.1269@visuallink.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:35:42 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B." CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: I can'ts take's no mo!!! References: <338C9ACD@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B. wrote: > > Great ride, how come you didn't invite any of us? Anyone else ever take > the roads in WV? There are a lot of great roads out there, just takes a Really?!! > hour or 2 to get there. So many good ones. These are some of my Sorry, I can't help myself...let's see... > favorites: WV 55, 55's 10 minutes from my driveway...if I take my time... > WV 259, 15 minutes... > of course US 33, Whew, that's 45 minutes, might pack the tankbag for that one... > and WV 9. Oh, let's see...less than 30 minutes... Skyline Drive...25-30 minutes... How long to a nearly deserted, twisty, beautiful, two-lane mountain road? Bout the time I hit 3rd gear...God I love this place!! :-)) Seeya down the road... ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 00:57:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14851; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10970; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26739; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp5.visuallink.com [206.151.68.165]) by visuallink.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA30560; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:57:43 -0400 Message-ID: <338D35C6.2133@visuallink.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:52:38 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sandy Triolo CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tjoseph@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WVA Riding -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy Triolo wrote: > > Hey, > > I also have a place out there! Maybe we can get together in WV. June > 14th there are motorcycle races at Summit Point anyone interested in > meeting and riding there or meeting there? > Sounds like a plan, Sandy. I live about 12 miles west of Winchester and am planning on going to Summit Point that weekend also. Anyone else? Seeya down the road... ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 01:20:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15014; Thu, 29 May 1997 01:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11596; Thu, 29 May 1997 01:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27171; Thu, 29 May 1997 01:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by mail1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA13337 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 01:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <338D3C41.2918@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 01:20:17 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Moto List Subject: Re: speeding: apology and stats Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ISOcredo@XXXXXX wrote: > But if the topic > comes up again and noone else criticizes speeding, I'll speak up. Hopefully > next time I won't be so angry, so maybe the message will get across more > clearly and less offensively. Linda, I have yet to see it mentioned here that speed limits on roadways in the United States, and other countries for that matter, were set for automobiles and not quicker-stopping and quicker-accelerating two-wheeled machines. > For those of you who like facts, here's the one I worry about when people say > speeding isn't unsafe. According to the National Safety Council, based on > reports from 11 state traffic authorities, "speed too fast or unsafe" was > reported as the cause of 19.5% of fatal accidents and 11.9% of all accidents > in 1994. I would like to see a statistical breakdown here more relative and germane to this list. For example, out of the 19.5% fatal accidents, how many of these drivers (riders?) were impaired by too much alcohol? In that respect I daresay the latter factor played a far more significant role than that of simply exceeding the posted speed limit. > You make your own decisions everytime you turn the key. Be smart, for your > own sake and for the sake of everyone else who has to share these too-crowded > roads with you. I do not speed when there are cars in front of me. Nor do I speed when in a residential area etc... I have no qualms however, in light of the above, about regularly doing the "standard 20 over" - all other conditions permitting. Seriously, I am far from the most agile rider out here, but I _know_ I can easily take a 35 mph curve at 60-65 and do it _safely_ ! C'mon Linda, it's a bike not a cage - have some fun :) JK ======================================================================== John C. Kozyn |"When we have just gotten out of the way of a 1985 VF700F | vehicle, we are most in danger of being run over." "Interceptor" | http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/ (F. Neitzsche) ======================================================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 07:35:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17469; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15580; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03899; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id HAA01401 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338D9348@XXXXXX>; Thu, 29 May 97 07:31:36 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: speeding: apology and stats Date: Thu, 29 May 97 07:28:00 PDT Message-ID: <338D9348@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >I have yet to see it mentioned here that speed limits on roadways in the >United States, and other countries for that matter, were set for >automobiles and not quicker-stopping and quicker-accelerating >two-wheeled machines. Lets not forget those big beasts trucks. Talk about a hard time stopping. >I would like to see a statistical breakdown here more relative and >germane to this list. For example, out of the 19.5% fatal accidents, how >many of these drivers (riders?) were impaired by too much alcohol? In >that respect I daresay the latter factor played a far more significant >role than that of simply exceeding the posted speed limit. Check out this site: http://www.bmwscruz.com/tech/tech006.html It doesn't show statistics but it does show some details. For instance the median crash speed was 21.5 mph, the one-in-a-thousand crash speed is approximately 86 mph. This is a good study, everyone should check it out. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 08:03:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17552; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15788; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04811; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id HAA01632; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338D98FE@XXXXXX>; Thu, 29 May 97 07:55:58 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: Brian McCoy , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: motorcycle salvage yards? Date: Thu, 29 May 97 07:52:00 PDT Message-ID: <338D98FE@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I think your best bet is to look in the back of the motorcycle magazines. There is a salvage yard near Potomac Mills mall but I'm not going to give my opinion on the place. I just don't feel like getting grief for it today. But, if you really want to go there its called H&H Used Motorcycle Parts. Their number is: (703) 730-2833. If you want the names of some mail order places than let me know. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Ok, how about motorcycle salvage yards in arround the D.C./Baltimore >areas? Anything within about 60 miles of D.C... >thanks.. > Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 08:43:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17861; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16241; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06126; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.30A; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:40:32 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C748C3301BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 8:39:07 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki rider killed today in Wheaton MD (no VFR content) Importance: High MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway This is called "thinning the herd" Darwin was right! Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 08:44:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17868; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16244; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.shentel.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06144; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from workstation1 (pm07a27.shentel.net [204.111.3.155]) by sherman.shentel.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA22047; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:48:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199705291248.IAA22047@sherman.shentel.net> From: "L.D. Graham" To: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: cheap sunglass...er, motorcycle? Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:42:36 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, I've got a '77 Honda 550 which runs great and has new rubber on the rear. I'll take $500 for it. Unfortunately I'm out in the Shenandoah Valley (well not so unfortunate if you like good motorcycle roads) near Harrisonburg. If you want more details email paladin@XXXXXX or call 540-828-4388. Later, L.D. Graham ---------- > From: Brian McCoy > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: cheap sunglass...er, motorcycle? > Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 7:53 PM > > > Ok, Anyone have a cheap, but running and legal, motorcycle for me? I > want to do some work on my main bike. My problem is that my bike is > the only means of transportation I own... wondering if someone has > something they want to more or less give away. If not, not... I'll go > spend $500 on this piecer truck I pass on the way to work everyday... > but would rather have a bike... > > Thanks in advance.. > > Brian > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 09:18:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18141; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17343; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07671; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09938 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 29 May 1997 06:17:42 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 29 May 1997 06:17:42 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: John Donovan , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: '92 GSX1100G forsale Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 06:16:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 44 TEXT, 58 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Unsolicited testimonial follows: I have about 33K miles on mine in about 3 years - it's a truck inna twisties, but will cruise comfortably all day long and has a SERIOUS throttle. 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References: <9705298648.AA864878807@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote: > > hello again.. > > Ok, how about motorcycle salvage yards in arround the D.C./Baltimore > areas? Anything within about 60 miles of D.C... You might find this useful: http://www.mshopper.eurografix.com/salvage/salvage.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 09:39:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18335; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17925; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08261; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA23331 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA18214 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:37:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA24351 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:37:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I can'ts take's no mo!!! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970529133720.AAA24351@localHost> >How long to a nearly deserted, twisty, beautiful, two-lane mountain >road? Bout the time I hit 3rd gear...God I love this place!! :-)) ....brag, brag, and keep rubbing our noses in it. :-p >Seeya down the road... ...See you! later, Todd '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' [---------------------------STOC #487----------------------------]] "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it would be no life at all" -- Hans Hass "Who bravely dares must sometimes risk a fall." --Tobias G. Smollett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 10:37:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18843; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18783; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10959; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: SackcoD@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA14974 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970529103647_1291539774@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki rider killed today in Wheaton MD One of our correspondents writes: This is called "thinning the herd" No, it's called "bad public relations" and the rest of us have to pay. I have no knowledge of why this particular accident happened at this time and at this place, but perhaps one or several of us had the opportunity to nudge this fallen comrade toward a real race track, or nudge him away from the keg or crack pipe. It isn't our job or responsibility to prevent these accidents, but it is in our best interest. Did the rider in this accident read this list's recent posts making excuses for speeding on the public roads? Probably not. But he would have been encouraged by them -- right up to that forth and final shift yesterday afternoon. Let's figure out how to enjoy riding safely. If that means staying within the expectations that other motorists have, so be it. Speed isn't the only thrill. Completing a ride with the knowledge that there are many more rides to come has been more satisfying for me than approaching the ragged edge. I encourage those of you who feel too strongly the siren call of speed to get to a track, get a new attitude, or get a new hobby. I hope we can all still be riding as The Senior Citizens of DC-Cycles. David Sackrider From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 10:45:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18922; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18972; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inetgw.fs.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11385; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:45:32 -0400 (EDT) From: michael.ditullio@XXXXXX Received: (from mail@localhost) by inetgw.fs.lmco.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id KAA111092 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705291445.KAA111092@inetgw.fs.lmco.com> Received: from wmavm7.gbg.fs.lmco.com(158.187.3.3) by inetgw.fs.lmco.com via smap (V1.3) id sma097400; Thu May 29 10:45:05 1997 Received: from WMAVM7 by WMAVM7.GBG.FS.LMCO.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7896; Thu, 29 May 97 10:43:49 EDT Date: Thu, 29 May 97 10:31:17 EDT To: dc-cycles%cs.umd.edu@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speeding: apology and stats Reply-To: michael.ditullio@XXXXXX Organization: Lockheed Martin News-Software: UReply 3.1 >For those of you who like facts, here's the one I worry about when people say >speeding isn't unsafe. According to the National Safety Council, based on >reports from 11 state traffic authorities, "speed too fast or unsafe" was >reported as the cause of 19.5% of fatal accidents and 11.9% of all accidents >in 1994. By the way, this does not include other "improper driving" like >improper overtaking, crossing the centerline, following too closely, etc. > This is just plain going too fast. > Yes, but unless Car&Driver magazine was lying, they claim these agencies distort the facts to support their reason for being. For example, if I'm travelling 45mph in a 40mph zone and you run a red light and kill me, my death is added to the 'death by speeding' column. I'm doing 40mph in a 40mph zone but now it's raining. You still run the red light and kill me. According to NHTSA I shouldn't have been doing speed limit in the rain, I should be doing less than ANY posted limit because the posted speed is only for optimum conditions. So once again it is a speed induced accident. As I said, unless C&D is lying, and admittedly they have their own a agenda, this is a gross manipulation of facts. Oh, one other thing they noted was that police and other authorities routinely credit speed as the cause of the accident in their reports unless there is 110% easily found evidence that something else caused the accident. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |mailto:michael.ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me| |mailto:spazman@XXXXXX | Southern NJ: Land of No twisties | |1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 GTI,89 HawkGT,95 ST1100 STOC#105 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 11:12:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19249; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20218; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12838; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA09472 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA13054 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA2634 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:11:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Moto Oil... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970529151149.AAA2634@localHost> The ST1100 list has a pretty good thread going about motorcycle oils. Someone mentioned a recent article in Motorcyclist about viscosity and the changes car oils are going through (thinning out). Anyone read this article that would like to comment? Specifically, the debate is about the pros/cons of using Mobile 1 (20w-50..at least), as opposed to using the motor oil sold by your particular marquee taste. I personally have been using Mobile1 (10w-50) in my CB750 and am now approaching 27k on it...no probs. I will, unless otherwise convinced to, use it in my ST. The reason I switched to Mobile 1 in the first place was because of an article MCN(date?) put out that debunked all the MC Motor oil claims. Comments, experiences? Until later, Todd '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' [---------------------------STOC #487----------------------------]] "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it would be no life at all" -- Hans Hass "Who bravely dares must sometimes risk a fall." --Tobias G. Smollett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 11:13:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19255; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20256; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12989; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp47.visuallink.com [206.151.68.207]) by visuallink.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA11296; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:14:53 -0400 Message-ID: <338DC646.6560@visuallink.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:09:10 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B." CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: speeding: apology and stats References: <338D9348@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B. wrote: > > Lets not forget those big beasts trucks. Talk about a hard time > stopping. > Thanks for pointing that out, Glenn. Just gettin' ready for work. I'm a union driver for a national LTL carrier with 1.75 million miles under my belt. Today I will be cut off, tail-gated, crowded out of my lane, and have at least one "OH SHIT" experience because...the moron will be: -lighting or dropping their cig., -drinking or spilling their coffee, (or beer) -putting on their makeup, -READING THE PAPER!! -Oh, let's not forget the ol' cell phone weave, -slapping, yelling, or some other nastiness to their "beloved" kids, -fist-fighting with their SO, -cleaning their vehicle interior, -flirting w/ another driver, -masterbating, -yelling at someone else for one of the above, The moron will be doing anything except SAFETLY OPPERATING that rolling explosive device they are sitting in or on. Rarely they realize that they (and their passengers, innocent others) are within a second or two of a fiery, hellish death. I've seen this TOO many times. BTW, notice none of the above mentioned speeding. If a person is driving or riding within THEIR LIMITATIONS (reaction time, following distance, attentiveness, knowledge of road and weather conditions, and AWARE of what's going on around them) they aren't a danger to themselves or anyone else. Whew, I feel better now. Think I'll call my kids and tell them I love them before leaving... Seeya down the road... ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 11:41:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19644; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21280; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14326; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA14620 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [166.32.84.50] ([166.32.84.50]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with SMTP id KAA10392 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:40:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705291540.KAA10392@omzrelay.mcit.com> To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Moto Oil... Date: Thu, 29 May 97 11:36:21 -0500 From: "Linda J. Tanner" X-Mailer: messageMCI v3.3 -- [ From: Linda J. Tanner * EMC.Ver #3.3 ] -- I remember reading an article in some motorcycle mag in the last few years that talked about how you need to run oil in your bike that is specifically made for bikes. Oh yes, I said. Then some old time Harley guy asked me why and I went blank. I remember something about specific ratings of some sort, but he said he's been running with penzoil since the year one and it's been fine. So what is the deal? I've been running golden spectro in my F3 since I got it at 5K and it's got 18k now. Am I being stupid? not thrifty? sheeplike? overly cautious? (never) Any comments? LindaT 95 F3 and commuting to work -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Thursday, 29-May-97 10:04 AM > > From: Todd B Peer \ Internet: (todd.b.peer@XXXXXX) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX \ Internet: (dc-cycles@XXXXXX) > > Subject: Moto Oil... > > The ST1100 list has a pretty good thread going about motorcycle oils. > > Someone mentioned a recent article in Motorcyclist about viscosity > and the changes car oils are going through (thinning out). Anyone > read this article that would like to comment? > > Specifically, the debate is about the pros/cons of using > Mobile 1 (20w-50..at least), as opposed to using the motor oil sold > by your particular marquee taste. I personally have been using Mobile1 > (10w-50) in my CB750 and am now approaching 27k on it...no probs. > I will, unless otherwise convinced to, use it in my ST. > > The reason I switched to Mobile 1 in the first place was because of an > article MCN(date?) put out that debunked all the MC Motor oil claims. > > Comments, experiences? > > Until later, > Todd -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 11:48:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19788; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21390; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inetgw.fs.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14770; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:48:50 -0400 (EDT) From: michael.ditullio@XXXXXX Received: (from mail@localhost) by inetgw.fs.lmco.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id LAA73482 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705291548.LAA73482@inetgw.fs.lmco.com> Received: from wmavm7.gbg.fs.lmco.com(158.187.3.3) by inetgw.fs.lmco.com via smap (V1.3) id sma091618; Thu May 29 11:48:23 1997 Received: from WMAVM7 by WMAVM7.GBG.FS.LMCO.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8195; Thu, 29 May 97 11:47:07 EDT Date: Thu, 29 May 97 11:45:51 EDT To: dc-cycles%cs.umd.edu@XXXXXX Subject: Moto Oil t was not found) Reply-To: michael.ditullio@XXXXXX Organization: Lockheed Martin News-Software: UReply 3.1 In a previous message, you wrote: >Specifically, the debate is about the pros/cons of using >Mobile 1 (20w-50..at least), as opposed to using the motor oil sold >by your particular marquee taste. I personally have been using Mobile1 >(10w-50) in my CB750 and am now approaching 27k on it...no probs. >I will, unless otherwise convinced to, use it in my ST. > >The reason I switched to Mobile 1 in the first place was because of an >article MCN(date?) put out that debunked all the MC Motor oil claims. > At the Rider Rally this weekend there was a guy from Spectro oils doing a talk on oils. It seems the biggest problem is that within the last 6 or so months the API has come up with a new set of oil standards. It's these new standards that motorcyclists have to worry about. They call for lower wear inhibitors (zinc and phosphorous I think) since they are hazardous to catalytic converters. And more FM's (friction modifiers) to raise gas mileage and lower internal friction. The FM's are not compatible with bikes' wet clutches. It's these 2 factors that are making some long time proponents of auto oil use in bikes, rethink their position. The Specto Oil guy said he wrote to the API about these changes and their effect on motorcycles and the API basically said they didn't give a damn about bikes, they're driven by cars. The Spectro guy also said that the moto mfgs, that up to now have had no problem recommending auto oils, will/have issued statements to the contrary. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |mailto:michael.ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me| |mailto:spazman@XXXXXX | Southern NJ: Land of No twisties | |1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 GTI,89 HawkGT,95 ST1100 STOC#105 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 11:59:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19889; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21564; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15239; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.5/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id LAA01638; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705291557.LAA01638@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Sandy Triolo cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tjoseph@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WVA Riding -Reply In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 May 1997 15:35:23 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:57:30 -0400 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard Sandy Triolo say: >I also have a place out there! Maybe we can get together in WV. June >14th there are motorcycle races at Summit Point anyone interested in >meeting and riding there or meeting there? If you think you'll be going, how about posting it to the list? I also have a weekend home in WV in Gerrardstown (SW of Martinsburg), and would love to spend an afternoon out riding the are with others. -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX Shop as usual...........................and avoid panic buying From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 12:28:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20171; Thu, 29 May 1997 12:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22014; Thu, 29 May 1997 12:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16502; Thu, 29 May 1997 12:28:11 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA07289 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:27:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005585; Thu May 29 11:19:55 1997 Message-ID: <338DACA5.31CD@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:19:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki rider killed today in Wheaton MD References: <970529103647_1291539774@emout20.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SackcoD@XXXXXX wrote: > >Message deleted; David: I couldn't agree more with your sentiments. A couple of years back Peter Egan, one of my favorite motorjournalists, wrote a really terrific column on why we should observe some common sense on public roads. He didn't advocate NO speeding at all, but to sum up his argument, it was this: "I love this sport SO much that I want to do it as long as I possibly can. I won't risk cutting short my enjoyment by unnecessarily risking my neck (or anybody else's)." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 13:02:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20557; Thu, 29 May 1997 13:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22416; Thu, 29 May 1997 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcgw1.att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18188; Thu, 29 May 1997 13:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.dcn.att.com by kcig1.att.att.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.2 sol2) id LAA00390; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:54:40 -0500 Received: from dulles.UUCP by internet.dcn.att.com with UUCP id AA20532 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles); Thu, 29 May 1997 13:02:07 -0400 Received: from dulles by dulles; Thu, 29 May 1997 13:03 EDT Received: by dulles with Microsoft Mail id <338DB6C1@dulles>; Thu, 29 May 1997 13:02:57 EDT From: "Carver, John" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Cc: "bandit-talk@XXXXXX" Cc: "suzuki-l@XXXXXX" Subject: NEW OIL . . . . Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:01:00 EDT Message-Id: <338DB6C1@dulles> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text Does anyone know what the timeframe for this new oils' introduction is? I want the oppotunity to stock up on the old stuff before hand. I'm not going to miss the boat like I did for Freon. What's the deal with motorcycle dealerships charging so damn much for their oil? I would gladly pay up to .50 cents/qt. more for something which will be better in the future .....but .....c'mon $5.00 a quart. Independent tests have shown that the automotive oil of today is *superior* to that of the so-called motorcycle specific oils. I used Castrol GTX in my Kawa EX500 and now Mobil 1 in my Bandit. No problems/complaints. With todays advanced chemistry, it's really not rocket science when you have to choose an oil. Maybe when this *new* oil standard begins we should start bulk ordering from a manufacturer of Motorcycle oils to save us all money from the dealerships. My .02. --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 13:50:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21105; Thu, 29 May 1997 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22894; Thu, 29 May 1997 13:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20261; Thu, 29 May 1997 13:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 38dbee10; Thu, 29 May 97 13:37:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:46:13 -0400 Message-ID: <38dbee10@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Moto Oil... To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >So what is the deal? I've been running golden spectro in my F3 since I got it at 5K and it's got 18k now. Am I being stupid? not thrifty? sheeplike? overly cautious? (never) Any comments? -------------- I asked a Spectro rep the same question at a Rally this last week. He said that Spectro works just fine for my bike, which I have ' used since it hit 750 miles. I also have an expensive set of riding gear too. No complaints on that either. Dave David Choat, Visionary '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." PJ O'Rourke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 14:22:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21670; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23325; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21996; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA29201; Thu, 29 May 1997 13:14:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vie-va9-22.ix.netcom.com(199.183.208.118) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma029180; Thu May 29 13:14:34 1997 Message-ID: <338DF1B7.6632@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:14:31 -0700 From: Bill Schmidt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd B Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Moto Oil... References: <19970529151149.AAA2634@localHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, The Wings group has beaten this subject to death--several times in fact. If you are curious about their thoughts you might look at the searchable archives at: http://www.armchair.mb.ca/wings/archives/index.html Todd B Peer wrote: > > The ST1100 list has a pretty good thread going about motorcycle oils. > > Someone mentioned a recent article in Motorcyclist about viscosity > and the changes car oils are going through (thinning out). Anyone > read this article that would like to comment? > > Specifically, the debate is about the pros/cons of using > Mobile 1 (20w-50..at least), as opposed to using the motor oil sold > by your particular marquee taste. I personally have been using Mobile1 > (10w-50) in my CB750 and am now approaching 27k on it...no probs. > I will, unless otherwise convinced to, use it in my ST. > > The reason I switched to Mobile 1 in the first place was because of an > article MCN(date?) put out that debunked all the MC Motor oil claims. > > Comments, experiences? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 15:03:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22368; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23713; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24302; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:03:18 -0400 Message-ID: <8C701AD947BED011ABF300805FC1F062034355@MSEXCHANGE> From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: NEW OIL . . . . Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:03:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Hey, I'm no mechanic or oil specialist, but when I was in Spain on a Honda CB750 modified to a 1000 (and therefore a somewhat more delicate engine) I asked for oil & received ...sludge....or honey...or something similar they called oil. That engine then ran about 80,000 miles mostly at 160mph (my sympathy to the speed haters out there) and never had a problem. I believe Japanese multi's are designed with great tolerances & quality of oil is not important, but frequency of oil change is. Amit '93 CBR1000F ---------- From: Carver, John[SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 1997 1:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: bandit-talk@XXXXXX; suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: NEW OIL . . . . Does anyone know what the timeframe for this new oils' introduction is? I want the oppotunity to stock up on the old stuff before hand. I'm not going to miss the boat like I did for Freon. What's the deal with motorcycle dealerships charging so damn much for their oil? I would gladly pay up to .50 cents/qt. more for something which will be better in the future .....but .....c'mon $5.00 a quart. Independent tests have shown that the automotive oil of today is *superior* to that of the so-called motorcycle specific oils. I used Castrol GTX in my Kawa EX500 and now Mobil 1 in my Bandit. No problems/complaints. With todays advanced chemistry, it's really not rocket science when you have to choose an oil. Maybe when this *new* oil standard begins we should start bulk ordering from a manufacturer of Motorcycle oils to save us all money from the dealerships. My .02. --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 15:24:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23390; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24417; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27052; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:23:50 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA19914 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970529152316_22325918@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: speeding: apology and stats --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: speeding: apology and stats Date: 97-05-29 15:22:57 EDT From: KLThomas77 To: jckozyn@XXXXXX Keep in mind that police officers are not trained to address many causes of accident, like inattention and lack of vehicle control skills, and are often unable or unmotivated to do any meaningful investigation of the true cause of accidents. "Speed" is a handy box to check off on a form. Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 15:41:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24122; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25621; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29166; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC6C46.7E818820@XXXXXX>; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: speeding: Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:39:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 45 TEXT Of course "speed" is a factor in most accidents - when was the last time two stationary vehicles got in an accident together? One could likewise argue that deaths caused by guns are speed related - if that nasty bullet was just travelling at a reasonable rate of speed, no one would have been hurt. I do my fair share of "above the posted limit" riding & driving. No casualties yet. I am far more concerned with the ignorant cagers weaving in & out of traffic, blowing through red lights, talking on cell phones, doing makeup, reading, looking at maps, rubbernecking at accident scenes, lighting cigarettes, trying to brush off ashes from said cigarettes. I wish the cops would give out more tickets for such reckless and foolish behaviour. Leave the modest speeders alone, they aren't the biggest threat on the road. Just the easiest to catch "in the act". Horkster ---------- From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX[SMTP:KLThomas77@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 1997 3:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: speeding: apology and stats --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: speeding: apology and stats Date: 97-05-29 15:22:57 EDT From: KLThomas77 To: jckozyn@XXXXXX Keep in mind that police officers are not trained to address many causes of accident, like inattention and lack of vehicle control skills, and are often unable or unmotivated to do any meaningful investigation of the true cause of accidents. "Speed" is a handy box to check off on a form. Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 15:58:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24860; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25976; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01142; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000039.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.51]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA02802 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:57:11 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9705291556.AA58183@204.91.98.131> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:56:58 -0400 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: Subject: Re: speeding: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline I thought we were off this thread? Speeding, in and of itself, does not kill riders/cagers; it's the way these riders/cagers speed (in wreckles manners, around traffic, etc). Likewise, guns, in and of themselves, do not kill; it's the irresponsible users. But we're getting the same thoughts/opinions, just worded differently, in countless emails. Let's get back to cycles, rather than debates on speeding, gun control, abortion, right vs. left, etc, etc. (Hey Linda, don't you have an F3? Tell me that rocket goes above 55.. :-) ) On a separate, , riding note, what is a good day trip to take that involves some twisties, farms, low traffic, and around 250 miles? Starting from Herndon/Fairfax area. Thanks much, Matt 95 Nighthawk 750 > Of course "speed" is a factor in most accidents - when was the last > time two stationary vehicles got in an accident together? > > One could likewise argue that deaths caused by guns are speed related - > if that nasty bullet was just travelling at a reasonable rate of speed, > no one would have been hurt. > > I do my fair share of "above the posted limit" riding & driving. > No casualties yet. I am far more concerned with the ignorant > cagers weaving in & out of traffic, blowing through red lights, talking > on cell phones, doing makeup, reading, looking at maps, rubbernecking > at accident scenes, lighting cigarettes, trying to brush off ashes > from said cigarettes. I wish the cops > would give out more tickets for such reckless and foolish > behaviour. Leave the > modest speeders alone, they aren't the biggest threat on the road. > Just the easiest to catch "in the act". > > Horkster > > ---------- > From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX[SMTP:KLThomas77@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 1997 3:23 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fwd: speeding: apology and stats > > > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > Subj: Re: speeding: apology and stats > Date: 97-05-29 15:22:57 EDT > From: KLThomas77 > To: jckozyn@XXXXXX > > Keep in mind that police officers are not trained to address many causes > of > accident, like inattention and lack of vehicle control skills, and > are often > unable or unmotivated to do any meaningful investigation of the > true cause > of accidents. "Speed" is a handy box to check off on a form. > > Kevin > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 16:21:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25829; Thu, 29 May 1997 16:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26346; Thu, 29 May 1997 16:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03519; Thu, 29 May 1997 16:21:17 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA02463 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:20:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001877; Thu May 29 15:17:10 1997 Message-ID: <338DE442.3A5D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:17:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride! References: <9705291556.AA58183@204.91.98.131> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt: I'd head out 66, to 81 north. From there, take any of the backwood or smaller roads. My favorite route/loop is 37 west to 522 north for 12 miles, to 137 west, to rt. turn on 29, to rt. turn on 9, and enjoy the incredible winding of Rt. 9 east until you get into Berkeley Springs, WV. Maybe stop somewhere there for lunch. From there, if you really liked the route, you can simply backtrack and go home. I usually run a loop (from Berkeley, take 522 south until I get back to 137, and loop 137/29/9 again back into Berkeley). Believe me, the scene from the OVERLOOK is worth it, not to mention the twisties and hills. You'll have a good time. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 18:45:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00821; Thu, 29 May 1997 18:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28138; Thu, 29 May 1997 18:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17616; Thu, 29 May 1997 18:43:52 -0400 (EDT) From: khafre@XXXXXX Received: from jwilson_5268.nova.att.com (spg-as8s12.erols.com [207.172.33.203]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA04600 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 18:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <338E053A.27DB@erols.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:37:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 19:36:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02545; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28853; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22843; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as1s14.erols.com [207.172.111.14]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20874 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970529193715.006ea714@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:37:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: WVA Riding -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > 14th there are >motorcycle races at Summit Point anyone interested in > meeting and riding >there or meeting there? > Sounds like a plan, Sandy. I live about 12 >miles west of Winchester and am planning on going to Summit Point that >weekend also. Anyone else? Seeya down the road... ------------------ I'll most likely be heading out to the races that weekend too (from falls church), but I generally cage it there in the truck. That way the wife and kiddo can come (his first races!!!) and I can throw a cooler of food an pop (yes I'm from the midwest) in the back. Anyone that wants to throw some stuff in the back while they ride out is very welcome. I tend not to ride out for a couple of reasons: 1) Hard to carry pick i nick stuff on the bike 2) Hard to take family and friends 3) It's very humbling to see how much faster the top racers are than I am, so I end up going pathetically slow for days afterwards in apathy. I'll be in Miami (w/o bike) next week, but feel free to drop a note or call the house. The truck can hold tons of stuff. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 19:50:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03009; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29011; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24142; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as1s14.erols.com [207.172.111.14]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25492; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970529195158.0068a88c@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:51:58 -0400 To: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Ride sheet was Re: speeding: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9705291556.AA58183@204.91.98.131> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:56 PM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote: (Hey Linda, >don't you have an F3? Tell me that rocket goes above 55.. :-) that was a different Linda, unless she uses two seperate e-mail accounts. Linda Tanner has the F3, and she always puts her full name at the bottom. ) On a >separate, , riding note, what is a good day trip to take that involves >some twisties, farms, low traffic, and around 250 miles? Starting from >Herndon/Fairfax area. Check out my page below. There are several rides that start from that area (all of the CAMS rides). Most are only around 150-165 miles, but look at the road numbers. You can combine a couple of the rides very easily and come up with 250 miles Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 20:30:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04288; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29589; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27938; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA00958 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [166.41.110.222] ([166.41.110.222]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with SMTP id TAA17714 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:29:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705300029.TAA17714@omzrelay.mcit.com> To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: speeding: Date: Thu, 29 May 97 20:25:08 -0500 From: "Linda J. Tanner" X-Mailer: messageMCI v3.3 -- [ From: Linda J. Tanner * EMC.Ver #3.3 ] -- Just as an FYI - there is more than one Linda on this list. I'm the Linda with the F3 and I just lurked during the speed thread. So, do not accuse the other Linda of hypocrisy. LindaT 95 F3 that has been known to exceed the posted on occasion -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Thursday, 29-May-97 02:56 PM > > From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX \ Internet: (elliottm@XXXXXX) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX \ Internet: (dc-cycles@XXXXXX) > > Subject: Re: speeding: > > I thought we were off this thread? Speeding, in and of itself, does not kill > riders/cagers; it's the way these riders/cagers speed (in wreckles manners, > around traffic, etc). Likewise, guns, in and of themselves, do not kill; it's > the irresponsible users. > > But we're getting the same thoughts/opinions, just worded differently, in > countless emails. Let's get back to cycles, rather than debates on speeding, > gun control, abortion, right vs. left, etc, etc. > > (Hey Linda, don't you have an F3? Tell me that rocket goes above 55.. :-) ) > > On a separate, , riding note, what is a good day trip to take that > involves some twisties, farms, low traffic, and around 250 miles? Starting > from Herndon/Fairfax area. > > Thanks much, > Matt > 95 Nighthawk 750 > > Of course "speed" is a factor in most accidents - when was the last > > time two stationary vehicles got in an accident together? > > > > One could likewise argue that deaths caused by guns are speed related - > > if that nasty bullet was just travelling at a reasonable rate of speed, > > no one would have been hurt. > > > > I do my fair share of "above the posted limit" riding & driving. > > No casualties yet. I am far more concerned with the ignorant > > cagers weaving in & out of traffic, blowing through red lights, talking > > on cell phones, doing makeup, reading, looking at maps, rubbernecking > > at accident scenes, lighting cigarettes, trying to brush off ashes > > from said cigarettes. I wish the cops > > would give out more tickets for such reckless and foolish > > behaviour. Leave the > > modest speeders alone, they aren't the biggest threat on the road. > > Just the easiest to catch "in the act". > > > > Horkster > > > > ---------- > > From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX[SMTP:KLThomas77@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 1997 3:23 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Fwd: speeding: apology and stats > > > > > > --------------------- > > Forwarded message: > > Subj: Re: speeding: apology and stats > > Date: 97-05-29 15:22:57 EDT > > From: KLThomas77 > > To: jckozyn@XXXXXX > > > > Keep in mind that police officers are not trained to address many causes > > of > > accident, like inattention and lack of vehicle control skills, and > > are often > > unable or unmotivated to do any meaningful investigation of the > > true cause > > of accidents. "Speed" is a handy box to check off on a form. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 21:48:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06304; Thu, 29 May 1997 21:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00508; Thu, 29 May 1997 21:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04022; Thu, 29 May 1997 21:47:45 -0400 (EDT) From: dbrewste@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA00055; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:47:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:47:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sjx-ca58-15.ix.netcom.com(205.186.122.143) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000019; Thu May 29 20:46:35 1997 To: jcarver@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: bandit-talk@XXXXXX Message-Id: <1997529184621541@> Subject: Re: NEW OIL . . . . X-Mailer: NETCOMplete v3.25, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John, Not to worry. There will always be oil for heavy duty trucks. For instance Mobil Delvac 1200 Super comes in a 15W-40 that meets SH,SG and a whole bunch of tougher specs like Detroit Diesel 7SE270, Cat TO-2, Allison C-4 MIL-L-2104F. Note that the Allison spec is for heavy duty transmissions that use clutch packs and have highly loaded gears in them! MIL-L-2104F is a military spec that also requires some tough testing in transmissions and clutch packs. The Detroit Diesel spec requires the oil to survive in highly turbocharged two cycle diesels. If it says MIL-L-2104F (not MIL-L-2104E, that is an older less demanding spec), it will usually meet the CAT, Detroit Diesel and Allison specs because the MIL spec includes similar tests. There are other brands with simmilar performance, but I don't have any info on them. On 05/29/97 13:01:00 you wrote: > > Does anyone know what the timeframe for this new oils' introduction is? > I want the oppotunity to stock up on the old stuff before hand. I'm not >going to miss the boat like I did for Freon. > > What's the deal with motorcycle dealerships charging so damn much for >their oil? I would gladly pay up to .50 cents/qt. more for something which >will be better in the future .....but .....c'mon $5.00 a quart. Independent >tests have shown that the automotive oil of today is *superior* to that of >the so-called motorcycle specific oils. I used Castrol GTX in my Kawa EX500 >and now Mobil 1 in my Bandit. No problems/complaints. With todays advanced >chemistry, it's really not rocket science when you have to choose an oil. > Maybe when this *new* oil standard begins we should start bulk ordering >from a manufacturer of Motorcycle oils to save us all money from the >dealerships. My .02. > > --John > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 22:29:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06557; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00677; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05440; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA08573 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [166.41.110.222] ([166.41.110.222]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with SMTP id WAA30376 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705300227.WAA30376@ndcrelay.mcit.com> To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: speeding: Date: Thu, 29 May 97 22:22:46 -0500 From: "Linda J. Tanner" X-Mailer: messageMCI v3.3 -- [ From: Linda J. Tanner * EMC.Ver #3.3 ] -- Just as an FYI - there is more than one Linda on this list. I'm the Linda with the F3 and I just lurked during the speed thread. So, do not accuse the other Linda of hypocrisy. LindaT 95 F3 that has been known to exceed the posted on occasion > -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > > > Date: Thursday, 29-May-97 02:56 PM > > > > From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX \ Internet: (elliottm@XXXXXX) > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX \ Internet: (dc-cycles@XXXXXX) > > > > Subject: Re: speeding: > > > > I thought we were off this thread? Speeding, in and of itself, does not kill > > riders/cagers; it's the way these riders/cagers speed (in wreckles manners, > > around traffic, etc). Likewise, guns, in and of themselves, do not kill; > it's > > the irresponsible users. > > > > But we're getting the same thoughts/opinions, just worded differently, in > > countless emails. Let's get back to cycles, rather than debates on speeding, > > gun control, abortion, right vs. left, etc, etc. > > > > (Hey Linda, don't you have an F3? Tell me that rocket goes above 55.. :-) > ) > > > > On a separate, , riding note, what is a good day trip to take that > > involves some twisties, farms, low traffic, and around 250 miles? Starting > > from Herndon/Fairfax area. > > > > Thanks much, > > Matt > > 95 Nighthawk 750 > > > Of course "speed" is a factor in most accidents - when was the last > > > time two stationary vehicles got in an accident together? > > > > > > One could likewise argue that deaths caused by guns are speed related - > > > if that nasty bullet was just travelling at a reasonable rate of speed, > > > no one would have been hurt. > > > > > > I do my fair share of "above the posted limit" riding & driving. > > > No casualties yet. I am far more concerned with the ignorant > > > cagers weaving in & out of traffic, blowing through red lights, talking > > > on cell phones, doing makeup, reading, looking at maps, rubbernecking > > > at accident scenes, lighting cigarettes, trying to brush off ashes > > > from said cigarettes. I wish the cops > > > would give out more tickets for such reckless and foolish > > > behaviour. Leave the > > > modest speeders alone, they aren't the biggest threat on the road. > > > Just the easiest to catch "in the act". > > > > > > Horkster > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX[SMTP:KLThomas77@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 1997 3:23 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Fwd: speeding: apology and stats > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > Forwarded message: > > > Subj: Re: speeding: apology and stats > > > Date: 97-05-29 15:22:57 EDT > > > From: KLThomas77 > > > To: jckozyn@XXXXXX > > > > > > Keep in mind that police officers are not trained to address many causes > > > of > > > accident, like inattention and lack of vehicle control skills, and > > > are often > > > unable or unmotivated to do any meaningful investigation of the > > > true cause > > > of accidents. "Speed" is a handy box to check off on a form. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- > > ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 22:34:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06622; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00729; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05572; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA22361 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970529223311_1375760504@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: room for rent in Silver Spring Hi, We have a room available in our house June 15. The house: near Metro and the library, hardwood floors, trees, fireplace, washer/dryer, piano, garage space for one motorcycle, ample street parking for cars, some basement storage. Quiet neighbors. The room: sunny corner room with hardwood floor. Nice size closet, plus an extra closet in the hall. Us: two employed, non-yuppie motorcycle riders, ages 32 & 44. Usually left-leaning. Two boys, ages 8 & 12 are here about 25% of the time. We don't want to share our house with furry pets, television addicts, or cigarette smokers. You: at least partly like us! The cost: $425 a month plus 1/3 utilities. We will share the phone, but you must get a different line if you plan to be on-line at home. $425 deposit. e-mail or call Lex or Colleen at 301/589-8869 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 29 23:03:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06847; Thu, 29 May 1997 23:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01237; Thu, 29 May 1997 23:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daisy.snet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06927; Thu, 29 May 1997 23:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (hrfr03-sh3-port158.snet.net [204.60.8.158]) by daisy.snet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5/SNET-1.5) with SMTP id XAA15447; Thu, 29 May 1997 23:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <338E42FD.6CE@snet.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:01:17 -0400 From: Glen Farney Reply-To: glen.farney@XXXXXX Organization: http://www.ferret-fact.org/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "bandit-talk@XXXXXX" , "suzuki-l@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: NEW OIL . . . . References: <338DB6C1@dulles> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carver, John wrote: > > What's the deal with motorcycle dealerships charging so damn much for > their oil? I would gladly pay up to .50 cents/qt. more for something which > will be better in the future .....but .....c'mon $5.00 a quart. Independent > tests have shown that the automotive oil of today is *superior* to that of > the so-called motorcycle specific oils. I used Castrol GTX in my Kawa EX500 > and now Mobil 1 in my Bandit. No problems/complaints. With todays advanced > chemistry, it's really not rocket science when you have to choose an oil. > Maybe when this *new* oil standard begins we should start bulk ordering > from a manufacturer of Motorcycle oils to save us all money from the > dealerships. My .02. > > --John http://homepage.cistron.nl/~peterh/gsresources/oil.html read up. There is a difference (other than the price) Glen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 10:05:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12132; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07333; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23245; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:04:58 -0400 (EDT) From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA10578 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970530100427_-794597031@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride sheet was Re: speeding: In a message dated 5/30/97 8:59:39 AM EST, cfagan@XXXXXX (Collin T. Fagan) writes: << ) On a >separate, , riding note, what is a good day trip to take that involves >some twisties, farms, low traffic, and around 250 miles? Starting from >Herndon/Fairfax area. >> Ride to Seneca Rocks in WV. Has all the above plus its a cool place when you get there. Consult a map; a number of ways to get there. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 10:19:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12274; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07605; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24077; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:18:53 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA11454 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970530101820_-1698954652@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Used Bike Pricing Hey all, Anyone know where I can grab used bike pricing on-line? I need a quote for mint 1996 Honda Shadow VLX Deluxe. Thanks, JB Haller 1990 Suzuki VX-800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 10:41:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12603; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08249; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tcs_gateway2.treas.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25266; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov id AA16424 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 30 May 1997 10:40:52 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Fri, 30 May 1997 10:40:52 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 30 May 1997 10:40:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:40:03 -0400 Message-Id: <000B9166.1950@ccmail.irs.gov> From: Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX (Randy Chartier) Subject: Re[2]: Ride sheet was Re: speeding: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Seneca Rocks is also a great place to spend the night camping. Excellent federal camp ground and a nice private one right on a stream...... Randy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Ride sheet was Re: speeding: Author: SRFox@XXXXXX at Internet Date: 5/30/97 10:04 AM In a message dated 5/30/97 8:59:39 AM EST, cfagan@XXXXXX (Collin T. Fagan) writes: << ) On a >separate, , riding note, what is a good day trip to take that involves >some twisties, farms, low traffic, and around 250 miles? Starting from >Herndon/Fairfax area. >> Ride to Seneca Rocks in WV. Has all the above plus its a cool place when you get there. Consult a map; a number of ways to get there. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 10:48:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12679; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08683; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25641; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA14477; Fri, 30 May 1997 09:47:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA03733; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA22303; Fri, 30 May 1997 09:47:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "bandit-talk@XXXXXX" , "suzuki-l@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: NEW OIL . . . . X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970530144722.AAA22303@localHost> --->Thanks Glen, --->This is good info. Man I love the internet! --->Todd Carver, John wrote: > > What's the deal with motorcycle dealerships charging so damn much for > their oil? I would gladly pay up to .50 cents/qt. more for something which > will be better in the future .....but .....c'mon $5.00 a quart. Independent > tests have shown that the automotive oil of today is *superior* to that of > the so-called motorcycle specific oils. I used Castrol GTX in my Kawa EX500 > and now Mobil 1 in my Bandit. No problems/complaints. With todays advanced > chemistry, it's really not rocket science when you have to choose an oil. > Maybe when this *new* oil standard begins we should start bulk ordering > from a manufacturer of Motorcycle oils to save us all money from the > dealerships. My .02. > > --John http://homepage.cistron.nl/~peterh/gsresources/oil.html read up. There is a difference (other than the price) Glen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 13:05:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14097; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12194; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01940; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.5/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id NAA06173 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705301704.NAA06173@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Matthew Whalen Subject: lane splitting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:04:12 -0400 Sender: mwhalen@XXXXXX I'm wondering if lane splitting is legal in VA, DC, MD, and/or WV.. The AMA web site doesn't mention lane splitting legality, and I don't recall it being mentioned in the booklet to study from for the written test (of course, it's been a while since I've looked at it). -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX '97 Buell S3 UUcom, Inc. '94 Harley-Davidson Sportster Unix & Network consulting From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 13:32:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14392; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12461; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03179; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA05927; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338F382C@XXXXXX>; Fri, 30 May 97 13:27:24 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: Matthew Whalen , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: lane splitting Date: Fri, 30 May 97 13:24:00 PDT Message-ID: <338F382C@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 In Virginia its illegal. I see lots of people doing it in DC but I don't know if its legal. Don't know about the other states. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna ---------- >I'm wondering if lane splitting is legal in VA, DC, MD, and/or WV.. >The AMA web site doesn't mention lane splitting legality, and I don't >recall it being mentioned in the booklet to study from for the written >test (of course, it's been a while since I've looked at it). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 13:37:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14461; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12563; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from comptroller.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03313; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Payroll.umd.edu ([129.2.32.196]) by comptroller.umd.edu (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA329; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:34:11 -0400 Message-ID: <338F10E1.A97AD95A@comptroller.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:39:45 -0400 From: dhowell@XXXXXX (Delonte M. Howell) Reply-To: dhowell@XXXXXX Organization: University of Maryland, Office of the Comptroller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Whalen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705301704.NAA06173@tangerine.uucom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I think it is illegal in every state but CA.. Matthew Whalen wrote: > I'm wondering if lane splitting is legal in VA, DC, MD, and/or WV.. > The AMA web site doesn't mention lane splitting legality, and I don't > recall it being mentioned in the booklet to study from for the written > > test (of course, it's been a while since I've looked at it). > > -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX > '97 Buell S3 UUcom, Inc. > '94 Harley-Davidson Sportster Unix & Network consulting From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 13:38:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14493; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12579; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03504; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.0) for ; id NAA355.91; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:37:03 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970530133835.00924200@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:38:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: lane splitting In-Reply-To: <199705301704.NAA06173@tangerine.uucom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I'm wondering if lane splitting is legal in VA, DC, MD, and/or WV.. >The AMA web site doesn't mention lane splitting legality, and I don't >recall it being mentioned in the booklet to study from for the written >test (of course, it's been a while since I've looked at it). It's illegal in VA for two vehicles to share a lane -- whether they're bikes or cars, so lane-splitting is illegal. In MD it's legal to ride two bikes side-by-side, but you can't share a lane with a car, thus making lane-splitting illegal. In DC I doubt it's legal, but if you're prudent you probably won't get stopped. There's a lot more give-and-take in the city. I've been noticed and ignored by DC police when I was splitting (usually just advancing to the front of the line at a traffic light). One great way to get through traffic is to use the mini "motorcycle lane" that results from cars parking on the right side of the street. There's a nice space between the parked cars and the dotted line -- it's probably legal to use. Obviously, you need to be careful about car people opening their doors in front of you! as always, YMMV, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 13:44:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14582; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12629; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03729; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s63.erols.com [207.172.110.126]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01280; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:44:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:44:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970530134600.0c374112@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Matthew Whalen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: lane splitting At 01:04 PM 5/30/97 -0400, Matthew Whalen wrote: > >I'm wondering if lane splitting is legal in VA, DC, MD, and/or WV.. >The AMA web site doesn't mention lane splitting legality, and I don't >recall it being mentioned in the booklet to study from for the written >test (of course, it's been a while since I've looked at it). > I dont positively know the legalities of it in VA, but when I took the MSF course last year, they SAID that it was illegal here. I prefer to not share the lane, anyway. I like having room to react if someone has to swerve to avoid a pothole, gravel, pedestrians, the car thats partly into your lane cuz the guy is so busy staring at you that he doesnt watch where he's going, etc etc. ( you know that old "you go in the direction that you're looking at" thing ) The zigzag formation of group riding works well, even if its only two people. As long as you stay kinda tight, generally no one will try and break in, AND you still have an entire lane to work with. Squeakers http://www.erols.com/squeaks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 13:47:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14617; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12847; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03809; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.5/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id NAA06716; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705301746.NAA06716@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Squeakers cc: Matthew Whalen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 May 1997 13:44:03 EDT." <1.5.4.16.19970530134600.0c374112@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:46:22 -0400 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard Squeakers say: > I dont positively know the legalities of it in VA, but when I took the >MSF course last year, they SAID that it was illegal here. I prefer to not >share the lane, anyway. I like having room to react if someone has to swerve >to avoid a pothole, gravel, pedestrians, the car thats partly into your lane >cuz the guy is so busy staring at you that he doesnt watch where he's going, >etc etc. ( you know that old "you go in the direction that you're looking >at" thing ) The zigzag formation of group riding works well, even if its >only two people. As long as you stay kinda tight, generally no one will try >and break in, AND you still have an entire lane to work with. I probably should have been a little more specific about what I meant. I meant to ask if it was legal when the other vehicles are at a stop (which should significanly reduce the risk from the cages). Luckely I'm not often in traffic backups anyway :) Thanks -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX Shop as usual...........................and avoid panic buying From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 14:51:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16467; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nemo.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14256; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nemo.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13682; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:51:18 GMT Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:51:18 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) Message-Id: <199705301851.SAA13682@nemo.cs.umd.edu> To: dc-cycles%cs@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting dhowell@XXXXXX (Delonte M. Howell) writes: > I think [lane splitting] is illegal in every state but CA.. Actually, it's not legal in California either, per se. There's just no language in their MVL that *prohibits* it, so there's no specific statute to file a charge under. A subtle difference in legal circles, but on the street it works just the same. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! 4 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 7 Suzukis +----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 14:51:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16472; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14283; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09236; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA27813 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA04305 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:51:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA23231 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:51:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970530185112.AAA23231@localHost> --->No, Don't do it.....unless....well, there have been times when --->the HOV on 95 has been completely stopped (anyone remember that --->bus fire?). There is only so long I can sit on hot tarmac, --->giving my clutch fingers and clutch a work out while one cage --->at a time passes....whatever. ---> --->Split, I will. But only on these special occasions. I know, --->I know...giving bikers a bad name. But --->every cager I've spoken to (but one, and best friend) said they --->wished they had a bike at those times. ---> ---> Todd ---> --->ps- Hows' that Buell treating you? Big smiles I hope. I'm wondering if lane splitting is legal in VA, DC, MD, and/or WV.. The AMA web site doesn't mention lane splitting legality, and I don't recall it being mentioned in the booklet to study from for the written test (of course, it's been a while since I've looked at it). -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX '97 Buell S3 UUcom, Inc. '94 Harley-Davidson Sportster Unix & Network consulting From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 14:59:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16769; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14473; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10109; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:59:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Neweiss@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA24252 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970530145905_-1229612398@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SUBSCRIBE Please put me on your emailing list From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 30 15:25:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17783; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14978; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12996; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA07153 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <338F537C@XXXXXX>; Fri, 30 May 97 15:23:56 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FW: lane splitting Date: Fri, 30 May 97 15:21:00 PDT Message-ID: <338F537C@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 If I remember correctly, Cycle World did a write up on this topic several years ago. If I dig far enough I might be able to find it. But I think I recall it being legal in more than just CA. I think it was something like 14 or 17 states that permit it. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >I think it is illegal in every state but CA.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 31 11:12:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28554; Sat, 31 May 1997 11:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26292; Sat, 31 May 1997 11:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20557; Sat, 31 May 1997 11:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA11142 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 11:10:35 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma011136; Sat, 31 May 97 11:10:09 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA20920 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 11:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA865091643; Sat, 31 May 97 11:14:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9705318650.AA865091643@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sat, 31 May 97 11:09:44 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Summit point races.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know if there are races over the weekned of june 14-15? I haven't found any listings that I can remember..... Thanks. Brian P.S. if not, anyone up for an overnight trip? I'm free most weekends, and would like to take longer trips.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 31 12:27:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28927; Sat, 31 May 1997 12:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26535; Sat, 31 May 1997 12:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22738; Sat, 31 May 1997 12:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as21s15.erols.com [207.172.37.15]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20377; Sat, 31 May 1997 11:43:24 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970531114450.006ea35c@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 11:44:50 -0400 To: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, 103126.2533@XXXXXX, 74537.1737@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, CPMJ69A@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, DavidW@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, ethyberg@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, GRALNGAA@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, JBerkin@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, Joe_Snider@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, kbass@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, Loupil@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, Michael_Dow@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, names@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, nicole@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, walt@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, EOFFALCON@XXXXXX, Barbelle14@XXXXXX, EOFFALCON@XXXXXX, elliottm@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Last minute ride Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy all, I'm planning on going out for a little riding this afternoon. Anyone interested give me a shout. Quite honestly, I intend to keep a pretty fast pace, but if there is enough interest, I can slow it sown and lead a larger group out through the backroads west of Leesburgh. I'll be leaving from the Falls Church area around 1 or so. I have to mow the grass and clean up still. I'll check the ole mail at 12:45ish or call at the home number below. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 31 13:19:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29171; Sat, 31 May 1997 13:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26695; Sat, 31 May 1997 13:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24087; Sat, 31 May 1997 13:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA09023; Sat, 31 May 1997 13:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970531131820_1990431997@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: bmccoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit point races.. Yes, there's WERA this weekend (31-1), CCS Jun 14-15, again on Jul 19-20, WERA on Sept 6-7, CCS on Oct 4-5. That's the whole deal for MC racing at the point this season. I'll be trying to get to a few of them. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 31 14:51:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29622; Sat, 31 May 1997 14:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26969; Sat, 31 May 1997 14:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26568; Sat, 31 May 1997 14:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp16.visuallink.com [206.151.68.176]) by visuallink.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13224; Sat, 31 May 1997 14:52:19 -0400 Message-ID: <33909C53.701C@visuallink.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:46:59 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit point races.. References: <9705318650.AA865091643@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote: > > Anyone know if there are races over the weekned of june 14-15? I > haven't found any listings that I can remember..... > Summit Point's 1997 Schedule is at: http://www.bsr-inc.com/bsr/summit/SCHEDSP.HTM Seeya down the road... ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 31 15:00:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29661; Sat, 31 May 1997 15:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27029; Sat, 31 May 1997 15:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26881; Sat, 31 May 1997 15:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp16.visuallink.com [206.151.68.176]) by visuallink.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA13539 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 15:01:59 -0400 Message-ID: <33909E97.3C5F@visuallink.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:56:39 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Summit Point Webpage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those interested in the many forms of roadracing at Summit Point. They have a webpage at: http://www.bsr-inc.com/bsr/summit/index.html Great racing, facilities and folks there. Seeya down the road... ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 31 20:05:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03753; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28509; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11671; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA18026; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA09960; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.85]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA18712; Sat, 31 May 1997 19:03:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles , st1100 , editor@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970601000330.AAA18712@localHost> > Incidently, highly friction-modified car type oils have (as far as I'm > aware) been the norm in Australia since back in the 1980's. Anyone able to > confirm this ? Tom Barrett ? Peter Holt ? Laurie Maroney ? Tony Schick ? > Peter Shelley ? Anyone ? Dave, Prior to trying the Castrol 20w-50, I had used Honda's cheaper GN-4 straight petroleum oil. My bike shifted kinda clunky. The cage Castrol was slightly worse. I went to the HP-4 Honda semi-synth and shifting was noticably smoother. Someone forwarded my first posts on this to Fred Rau at Motorcycle Consumer News, so hopefully we'll have some objective information soon. It was MCN's oil comparo a while ago that convinced me that the cage oils were OK. ---> That was me. I sent to Fred, but never got a reply. The MCN --->article that came out that 'changed the world' for motorcyclists --->was dated Feb-1994. So I guess its about time to do it again, --->what with all the hoopla goin on about the damnage that will surely --->happen if we continue to save our money. ---> --->Ok, I am copying MCN (editor) here to once again try to get them --->to ring in. We need another 'consumer' report. Not something from --->Spectro, et al.. I encourage all subscribers to MCN to do the --->same. Not a subscriber?...consider it. It is a good rag, and --->almost every issue has something you want to read. ---> --->BTW, I just changed mine again (Mobile 1 15w-50) last nite. Seems --->OK to me..... ---> --->Until later, --->Todd ---> '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' --->[---------------------------STOC #487----------------------------]] ---> "A life spent in constant anxiety ---> over losing it would be no life at all" ---> -- Hans Hass From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 31 20:08:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03797; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28525; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11820; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA13320 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 19:07:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA02040 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.87]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA26181 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 19:07:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Reflection and Contrast X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970601000734.AAA26181@localHost> --->From the ST1100 pages.....(moral, don't buy a boat!).. Todd I had a boat once. Today especially, I clearly remember the very day I sold the boat. I was filled with joy. I was ecstatic. I sold the boat. My boat, that miserable hole in the water into which I poured money. This boat, which I fell off and broke my back. The boat which lost its' lower drive on the second outing and had to be towed to shore and then once again repeated this same drill within the year. The boat that cost a bundle to slip, to gas, to store, to drive. The boat that was once wedged between the collapsing docks during a violent summer storm and was scratched all to hell. The boat that had to be constantly cleaned of algae and slime. The boat whose wood trim seemed to rot before my very eyes portrayed in real time as if it was somehow happening in time-accelerated photography. The boat that was piloted with white knuckles and a eye to the sky for any quick unannounced storm. This boat of which I never quite felt in complete control. This boat which made no pretense to conquer or subdue nature while quickly succombing to any of her many threats. This boat that steering was always an approximation and whose stopping could never be assured. The boat whose any odd sound would mean great gobs of money to dampen. That boat whose slight quiver or mere shudder meant impending doom or pending financial bust. The boat whose ventillation system must be run lest it and me be blown to kingdom come during refueling and even then there is no guarantee. This conglomeration of pieces and parts designed first for some other application, then crudely adapted for marine usage. An auto engine forced to fit in a fiberglass tub. A transmission and drive that would make Rube Goldberg proud. A propeller instantly damaged when touching anything but water. The boat, a crude attempt at integration where the whole is less than the sum of the many parts. The boat with batteries costing a king's ransom and lasting but one season. The boat when ridin on weekends among the drunk and drugged revelers without a clue of seamanship, safety or courtesy. This boat never provided reassuring recreation. I sold my boat. I was happy, I am happy I sold my boat. I do not yearn for its return. I sold my boat. I lost a bundle. I sold my boat. I felt richer. I sold my boat. There will not be another. Today I sold my motorcycle. I am not happy. Already I yearn for its return. This striking marvel of iron, plastic, steel and rubber. This pristine example of craftsmenship. How proud I was to claim ownership. How wonderful the feeling of air slipping by while the rhythm of the ride soothes the soul and lifts the spirit. The pull, the acceleration, the forces of banking, no threading through canyon passes at speeds unthinkable by any other means. The mastery of the road. The promise of power. That promise fulfilled with a simple flick of the hand. The feeling of absolute control and connection with the machine and the mastery of all things mechanical. It was purpose built and its pieces in the aggregate where greater than the sum of their individual contribution. The engine and transmission came from no other design. The components even is dissasembly revealled their true and ultimate purpose for they were for a motorcycle, my motorcyle. This in a world and in a time that most skills can not be truly mastered and that one realizes that time can not be controlled. It at least delivered upon the illusion of conquering both time and nature. How wonderful it was to buff to a glistening sparkle. How sensuous it was to clean and polish. The smooth metal carressed beneath the chamois clothe. What a marvel to look at. What a wonder to ride. What a sound to hear. My motorcyle was fun. It was rewarding. It gave back more than was given. It expanded my horizons and enriched my life. It transported me to places I would not even consider traveling to by any other means. I met and made friends that otherwise would be unknown. This master of the road is gone. This Big Motoring Wonder is now but fond history. I sold my motorcycle. I am not really happy. I sold my motorcycle. I have more money. I sold my motorcycle. I am somehow poorer. I sold my motorcycle. There soon will be another. Warren, -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Warren Harhay, System Administrator Access Nevada http://www.accessnv.com "A Dam Site better ISP" Internet host of www.hooverdam.com STOC #174 HSTA #6854 AMA #500320 BMWMOA BMWRA#21750 BOOF#101 IBA SS1000/BBG Amateur Radio: K8NPI ARRL/OO From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 31 23:32:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08954; Sat, 31 May 1997 23:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29975; Sat, 31 May 1997 23:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27211; Sat, 31 May 1997 23:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.116.64.3]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA16891 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 03:31:24 +0000 Message-ID: <3390EBD3.3D8E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:26:11 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: MORROWS@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Safe Riding Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SackcoD@XXXXXX (David Sackrider) wrote: > Let's figure out how to enjoy riding safely. If that means staying within > the expectations that other motorists have, so be it. Other motorists expect you to not be there when they're turning left, changing lanes without looking, or speeding up to be the third car through on the red light. That expectation I live up to, because I want to live. Other motorists expect you to pass them on the right when they're dawdling along in the left (passing) lane, expect you to understand their inability to wait five seconds for you to turn left on a two-lane road, instead roaring around you in your own lane at anywhere from 15-45 mph. Those expectations I live up to because I have no choice. Other motorists expect you to wait in a 20-minute backup that you could easily slip through on your motorcycle because "damn it, I have to sit here, why should that biker get ahead?". This expectation I live up to because one of those fellow motorists is likely to be armed, or willing to open a door on me, or happy to swerve into me as I wend my way by. I want to live. > Speed isn't the only > thrill. Completing a ride with the knowledge that there are many more rides > to come has been more satisfying for me than approaching the ragged edge. Speeding does not necessarily mean that one is riding on the ragged edge. Nor does riding on the ragged edge necessarily mean that one is speeding. Completing a ride wherein I have exercised my riding skills without approaching the ragged edge is extremely satisfying to me. Even commuting to work every day provides the opportunity to enhance my skills. I've been riding for 19 years, and have improved each of those years. > I encourage those of you who feel too strongly the siren call of speed to get > to a track, get a new attitude, or get a new hobby. This is rather harsh. Part of the joy of riding for some riders is the thrill of riding a high performance bike. The problem is responding _inappropriately_ to that siren song; not the mere fact that some riders do hear the call and respond. Not all fast riding requires a race track - I've been a licensed road racer in the past, and I prefer brisk road riding to racing. Notice I said brisk, not insane. There is a difference. > I hope we can all still be riding as The Senior Citizens of DC-Cycles. As do I. More than hoping, I'm doing something about it. Like teaching 47 MRC:RSS classes and even a few ERC classes (one of them tomorrow, at Loudoun Campus of Northern Virginia Community College) over the last five years. I believe the results of those weekends have had a more profound effect on my fellow riders and the general motoring public than any opinions I've posted to this newsgroup regarding the _relative_ dangers of speeding versus other riding habits. For the record, if the rider who was killed this past week was riding at triple-digit speeds (no mention of which was made in the news reports I saw on the accident), he was not riding in any manner that I would condone on the street. I don't mean this as a flame; I just feel strongly that riding safely consists of much more than merely watching one's speed, and that riding over the posted speed limit, while illegal, is not necessarily the riskiest part of street riding. Tim -- Tim Morrow Herndon, Va. Morrows@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 31 23:51:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09508; Sat, 31 May 1997 23:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00312; Sat, 31 May 1997 23:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28886; Sat, 31 May 1997 23:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA10134; Sat, 31 May 1997 23:46:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:41:39 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: lane splitting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970530185112.AAA23231@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 May 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > --->ps- Hows' that Buell treating you? Big smiles I hope. > > -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX > '97 Buell S3 UUcom, Inc. > '94 Harley-Davidson Sportster Unix & Network consulting Hopefully better than mine.Thurs I made another warranty claim for the front brake rotor and the rear fender.Both had been replaced about a month ago. :-( The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Petty Hate Machine"