From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 16:22:32 1996 Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 13:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Trip Plans To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey all, I'm planning a trip to the west coast this August and I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas on stuff to see or hints on how to do it. (This will be my first long trip). I plan to leave DC and shoot straight up (I-75) through Michigan, across into the upper peninsula, and to Sault Ste. Marie. I'm then going to take the drive around Thunder Bay (some neat Canadian NAtl parks and provincial parks). I'll then cut down through Minnesota and across I-90 for a few states, going through Rushmore, Badlands, Wind and Jewel Cave, etc. and then take off to see Yellowstone (at Buffalo, WY). I'll spend a few (non-weekend days there) and then go through Sawtooth country in Idaho and then go up to Spokane, my final destination. I'm going to try to see as many Nat'l Parks and Monuments as possible. I will take about 2 weeks to do the trip and I plan to camp every night. I'd like to eat at cool places, but I think I'll stick to fast food in the interest of economy and time. I'll use soft luggage to take the bare minimum of clothing, etc. and my tent and sleeping bag. I've enrolled in Motorycle Towing Services in case anything goes wrong. Any ideas? Am I missing anything? TIA, from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 Yamaha Seca II From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 18:36:14 1996 Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 18:33:09 -0700 From: lucas.m@XXXXXX (Mark Lucas) Organization: National Multimedia Association of America X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Trip Plans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tools (including some electrical tape and wire)? Raingear? Second lock for the bike (disk lock)? The clothes you are taking, can they be layered in case of cold weather? One good trick if you are using soft luggage, put your clothes etc. in garbage bags, put the bags in your soft luggage and they will stay dry in the heaviest downpour if you close the tops up by twisting them up and tucking the ends down the side of your luggage. One last thing to take - a sense of humor! Good luck, and don't ride if you are feeling worn out! that is downright *deadly*! Get some sleep, or at least rest off the bike first! -- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@XXXXXX / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 19:00:16 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:59:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trip Plans Take credit cards. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 20:28:59 1996 Date: Wed, 1 May 96 20:28:28 EDT From: acoope00@XXXXXX (Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cross-country trip If you are trying to see a lot of national parks, an annual park pass (at ~$25) is a good deal. Also, note that there is a lot of neat stuff around the Michigan U.P. Sit down with a map and some guides of one sort or another to get a general idea of what's out there. Sometimes the off-beat and little known stuff is the most fun. I've done a route rather similar to yours. If I can be of further assistance, drop me an e-line. Good luck and enjoy!! =Drew Cooper Cooper@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 14:39:42 1996 From: crosen@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:39:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi, I am new to this list. Just wanted to say hello. I Ride a 94 VFR mostly for commuting, for fun when I am actually not at work. Regards, -charles Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD Department of Neurosurgery 4940 Ashby Street George Washington University Washington, DC 20007 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue (202) 337-0745 Washington, DC 20037 (202) 994-3321 '94 VFR750F crosen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 15:20:09 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:22:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) Subject: Re: newcomer > Hi, >I am new to this list. Just wanted to say hello. I Ride a 94 VFR mostly >for commuting, for fun when I am actually not at work. > >Regards, >-charles > > Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD > >Department of Neurosurgery 4940 Ashby Street >George Washington University Washington, DC 20007 >2150 Pennsylvania Avenue (202) 337-0745 >Washington, DC 20037 >(202) 994-3321 '94 VFR750F >crosen@XXXXXX Which just goes to show: even smart, overeducated people ride bikes. Welcome! ------------------------ Kim Bieler American Writing Corp. Washington, DC kim@XXXXXX '80 CB650 '90 FZR600 ------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 22:11:36 1996 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:11:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael James Lester X-Sender: mjl@XXXXXX To: Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cross-country trip In-Reply-To: <9605020028.AA19051@ad0.reach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 2 May 1996 Justin: I was told to take two things when I rode from San Francisco to Baltimore: first, a gun (?), which I chose not to bring; and second, an American flag stuck in a prominent place, presumably for the same reason. I don't know if it was responsible, but no cops or good old boys in general fucked with me or my bike. I think a gun is probably a little excessive. Good luck. Michael Lester -------------------------------------------------------------- Urban Studies University of Maryland SOHC4 #104 VJMC #1367 mjl@XXXXXX http://www.wam.umd.edu/~mjl/homepage3.html ______________________________________________________________ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 07:06:11 1996 Date: Fri, 3 May 96 07:06:07 EDT X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Mackintosh Subject: Ducati 750SS for sale Posted for a friend (do not reply to this account): ---- For Sale: 1993 Ducati 750 Super Sport less than 3500 miles, excellent condition garage kept, red, gray frame, black wheels $5750 Call Aneil at: (301) 601-9260 located in Germantown, Maryland (DC area) ---- The bike is in _superb_ condition, he is the second owner but it appears to still have the original Dunlops on it. It looks identical to the current 900 CR (half fairing) but has the aluminum swingarm of the SP model and a single front disc (although the fork and wheel will take a second caliper and rotor). It's obviously never been down and cosmetically it is perfect except for small scratches on the forward corner of each muffler (stock) and one spot on the upper fairing (protruding corner just behind right turn signal lense). The bike is 100% stock. He's got it advertised in the paper this weekend, so act fast! You can anonymous ftp some picture files (not his bike), including a spec sheet, from oasys.dt.navy.mil in the /pub directory. The file is "750SS.ZIP". Please call him and mention where you saw the ad, do not reply to this account. David Mackintosh '87 Integra RS, '96 Integra SE mackinto@XXXXXX '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 Germantown, MD, USA '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 12:52:32 1996 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: fwd from writer Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 12:52:25 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos In case anyone is interested: ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:04:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX From: nku050@XXXXXX (Nanci) Subject: Magazine Article Hello. My name is Nanci Kulig, and I am a working on a story about Skyline Drive for a new magazine called The Motorcycle Journal. Dale Coyner, author of a book about motorcycle travel through the Appalachians, directed me to contact your group. I am looking for people who have travelled along Skyline Drive in Virginia. I would love to chat with anyone who fits that bill about their experiences along the Drive. You can reach me at (847) 467-1784 or e-mail me at n-kulig@XXXXXX Thanks so much, Nanci ------- End of Forwarded Message From dc-cycles-request Sat May 4 11:08:15 1996 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 11:08:46 -0400 To: Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Re: Cross-country trip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hello all--I don't usually read this group, but I stumbled across this query regarding traveling cross-country. I did it a few years back and it was a blast. My advice is take a friend (on their own bike) and stop at small bike shops. I also recommend the central or northern routes over the southern (fewer good ol' boys, but no desert scenery). If you're starting on this coast though, you might want to go north because, well, the central route is boooring. I started from Arcata, Ca., toured points south, then went north through Oregon, headed east through yellowstone, south through the tetons, and east again through the high desert in wyoming (there's a great side road off highway 80 in eastern Wy that takes you through the Medicine Bow mountains). My traveling companion was a japanese guy who spoke almost no English, so I expected to get a lot of hassles. Instead, everyone was thrilled that a Japanese guy was interested in seeing the U.S. We camped mostly at KOAs (I had a discount card) and state parks. People were great and truly interested in us and what we were doing. So can the gun and US flag, be smart about where you stop, and check with locals at bike shops for good eats and places to see. Also, RV folks will tell you about scenic places to check out (just don't get caught behind any of 'em). have fun--I'm gonna do it again sometime. yours, Leslie Sturges From dc-cycles-request Sat May 4 11:49:45 1996 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 11:50:15 -0400 To: Harry Mantakos , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: summary of skyline trip Following is the article that I published in the winter issue of the 1993 MARRC Newsletter, detailing the trip my wife and I made. I think it was mid-october. Leslie and I were still sitting in the kitchen at 10am, drinking coffee and waiting for the rain to at least slow down. We were about to begin a week-long bike trip through the Appalachian Mountains, and starting off in the rain seemed unnecessary. Eventually we were on the road; Virginia Rt. 29 to be exact, driving south. It was very windy but at least it was dry. The mountains grew closer but no more appealing. We found a pleasant motor lodge in the heart of Roanoke and made a few adjustments to the bikes; mine a Hawk GT and her's a CB-1. It was Sunday night and an after-dinner walk through the downtown area revealed little night-life. Monday morning was cloudy but we were nonetheless excited to begin our tour of the Blue Ridge Parkway. The cool weather allowed us to take our time with breakfast and re-packing the bikes, and even allowed a trip to Woolworth's to buy some Totes boots and a scarf. Up to the Parkway we headed, to leave the interstates behind for the rest of the week. The Parkway, a 470 mile mountaintop road that runs all the way down to the Smokey Mtns, is in excellent shape and normally would offer breathtaking views of the Appalachian Mtns. However, an hour of riding under low cloud cover, combined with low-thirties temperatures, had us headed downhill for some dryer, warmer riding. Eventually the mist turned to a steady rain, and we were stopping for coffee about every hour. By the time we pulled into the Mountain Hearth Bed & Breakfast, (just off the parkway near the VA/NC border) we were cold, tired, and wet. By halftime of the Oilers-Bills game, we were snoring way. Tuesday, after one of the best omelets I've ever had, we saddled up once again. It was still unseasonably cold, but it was hard to really care much... the scenery offered by our first day of clear weather was just unbelievable. We took a few photos but knew full well that film could not possibly capture the land that unfolded around each twist of the Parkway. After lunch we took a side road to find gas (there is little actually on the Parkway). I ended up having so much fun twisting down an un-named side road that I ran completely out of gas, much to Leslie's dismay. I asked the first person I found were the nearest gas station was, and the gentleman actually drove me to it and loaned me a gas can! This typified the attitude we found throughout the trip. Near sunset we took a detour just off the Parkway to ride up Mt Mitchell, the highest peak east of the Mississippi. This climb to over 6600' accentuated a problem we had been experiencing all day; the bikes were rapidly losing horsepower at the higher elevations, and keeping them at an idle was a challenge; why, my Hawk would barely wheelie any more. We spent close to an hour on Mt Mitchell, then hi-tailed it south to make Asheville just after dark. A day was spent in Asheville poking around and drinking more coffee, then we continued south and took a room in Maggie Valley, a tiny town near Smokey Mtn National Park. We stayed here for two days so that we could ride on Thursday without having to lug our gear with us, and we even did some laundry. Friday morning we rode the final section of the Parkway and headed across the center of the Great Smokey Mt Park, a move that proved the worst decision of the trip. This road (Rt. 441) was so packed with tourists that passing eventually became impossible and we were relegated to the ranks of your average 'leaf peaker'. After a brief stop in Gatlinburg, TN, we found a better road; the Foothills Parkway south of the Park. The lack of traffic had us once again averaging about 60mph and squirting past the motorhomes. >From the Foothills Parkway we turned north and rode the infamous 11 miles of Rt 129 in Deal's Gap. It's supposed to have over 300 curves but I lost count. We stopped at a few Cherokee attractions on our way back to Maggie Valley, where considerable effort was spent in trying to find a restaurant open after 9pm. Friday we headed back toward Asheville, sampling as many of the local roads and Cherokee craft shops as we could before the end of our get-away week. It's a trip I'd recommend to anyone who enjoys mountain scenery, twisty roads, or greasy breakfasts. The best source of information on this section of our great county is the BRP Assoc., PO Box 453, Asheville, NC 28802. Ask for the directory. After a thousand miles of riding the best roads in the country, we were looking at a 600 mile interstate-only trip home, in the rain. Finding the thought too horrible to contemplate, we rented a Ryder truck and sang songs all the way home. From dc-cycles-request Sun May 5 12:48:13 1996 Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 12:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: DEAN MIDDLETON Subject: Army of Darkness overruns Atlanta: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960504155015.006a05ac@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII AOD was at Road Atlanta for a beautiful weekend of racing and watching 96 GSXr's blow up. The full story should be up on the web page by Wed. or so (http://www.13x.com/aod) but for those who want the quick scoop: We had trouble getting the bike to run on Friday (new motor after the LA crankshaft mutiny) but all three riders (Sam, John and myself) quickly got down to 1:32's (with some 31's in there for good measure) on the YZF 600. After six grueling hours of 6 or 7 red flags, burning GSXr's and highsiding Buells, I went out for the last 20 min and diced for 2nd place. I got him by 3 bike lengths at the line! We finished 2nd in class (Middle Weight Super Bike) and 8th overall (out of 49 teams). We were on the same lap as the 1st place superbike. We are very happy. Look for a great race at Summit in two weeks! Jim Williams From dc-cycles-request Sun May 5 19:29:46 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 19:29:38 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Carolina Boot Co. phone number? Does anyone have the phone number for the Carolina Boot Co? Good looking boots. Haven't found their address or phone number in any of the biker mags so far. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 15:49:42 1996 Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 12:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Oil Filters To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am still a rookie rider and I have a question about oil filters. Do most of you experienced folks use regular mail order Fram-type filters? A local Yamaha shop guy told me that it is reckless and foolish to use anything but genuine Yamaha filters. He said he know of 2 guys with Gold Wings that needed several thousands of dollars of engine repairs because they used Fram filters. It seemed like he was pulling my chain (pardon the pun), does this sound like good advice? Also a question about frequency of filter changes: my owner's manual says oil every 4000 and filter every 8000. This seems high. Do most riders change their filter with every oil change? In normal riding conditions, am I safe with 3000 oil and 6000 oil-filter intervals? Thanks for any advice! from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 Yamaha Seca II From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 16:17:49 1996 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: John Donovan X-Sender: jdonovan@mako To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Oil Filters In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 May 1996, Justin V. Laubach wrote: > Also a question about frequency of filter changes: my owner's manual > says oil every 4000 and filter every 8000. This seems high. Do most > riders change their filter with every oil change? In normal riding > conditions, am I safe with 3000 oil and 6000 oil-filter intervals? filters are cheap, engines are expensive... I do the filter at every change. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John Donovan Systems Engineer So now I think I'll leave you jdonovan@XXXXXX with your bishops and your guilt Newbridge Networks Herndon, VA so until the next time DOD#-96 1992 Suzuki GSX1100G have a good sin 1996 Dodge 1500 4x4 CC -Iron Maiden Only The Good Die Young The above is my personal view and is not, and should not be interpreted as, the views, policies or position of Newbridge Networks or any of its employees. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 16:49:52 1996 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: DMG To: "Justin V. Laubach" cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Oil Filters In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 May 1996, Justin V. Laubach wrote: > I am still a rookie rider and I have a question about oil filters. Do > most of you experienced folks use regular mail order Fram-type filters? > A local Yamaha shop guy told me that it is reckless and foolish to use > anything but genuine Yamaha filters. He said he know of 2 guys with Gold > Wings that needed several thousands of dollars of engine repairs because > they used Fram filters. It seemed like he was pulling my chain (pardon > the pun), does this sound like good advice? Yes fram filters suck.. (some models at least) though supposedly they are better now.. (some racing assocs banned their use because of their problems) BUT.. in the way of getting factory equipment.. its VERY expensive.. and generally not worth it.. There are many other filters out there.. check around! > > Also a question about frequency of filter changes: my owner's manual > says oil every 4000 and filter every 8000. This seems high. Do most > riders change their filter with every oil change? In normal riding > conditions, am I safe with 3000 oil and 6000 oil-filter intervals? > > Thanks for any advice! > I hate to tell you this.. but its just like cars.. they say change it very 6000 miles or 6 months.. 1/2 that is ok in real life. that 6000 mile figure is generated with a specific lifespan of the vehicle, plus in ideal conditions.. I take it you want your bike to last much longer then some average lifespan, AND it isnt in optimal conditions ( fram oil filter, pollen in the air.. that kinda thing) Replace the oil and the filter EVERY 2000 miles.. 20 bucks if you are using dino oil.. and about 35 if using synthetic.. (you can go longer on synthetic then dino) VERY cheap insurance if you ask me.. remember.. just look at the rpm guage of the bike.. then sit in your car, does the rpm guage even reach what would be a redline on your bike? Bikes run FAST and HARD, oil can break down.. that is BAD. Soapbox mode off..... Have fun with your bike! Scot '95 Ducati 900ss/cr - Yosh pipes/Dynojet Stage II/ Maybe possibly Powerbronze system soon!!! From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 16:58:16 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Oil Filters Date: Mon, 06 May 96 16:56:00 EST Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >>On Mon, 6 May 1996, Justin V. Laubach wrote: >> Also a question about frequency of filter changes: my owner's manual >> says oil every 4000 and filter every 8000. This seems high. Do most >> riders change their filter with every oil change? In normal riding >> conditions, am I safe with 3000 oil and 6000 oil-filter intervals? >John Donovan said: >filters are cheap, engines are expensive... I do the filter at every change. I will respond by sharing something I recently learned, filters actually filter better after they have been in service for a time. Basically as the filter cleans the oil, the particles behind enhance its filtering ability. Therefore a brand new filter lets more particles through it than a seasoned one does. Obviously after a time the filter gets clogged and it's ability to flow oil is reduced. Hence the factory recommendation of changing an oil filter every other time you change the oil. This seems to make sense to me so I will be adopting the practice on my vehicles. As far as filter brand goes, I would not have a problem buying a Fram filter, they are reputable and have been making filters for generations. I have not had a bike long enough to totally dismiss your mechanics claim but frankly, I don't buy into it. As long as you buy a decent filter you should be okay. MHO, YMMV. Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (SOLD) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (all mine) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 17:30:19 1996 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:30:23 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Oil Filters Paraphrasing what John Donovan said "Oil and filters are cheap, engines are expensive." I use Mobil 1 oil and JC Whitney filters. I change oil and filter every 3000 miles (usually that's 6 weeks) or before riding it if it hasn't been changed in the last 6 months. The CX went 80,000 miles using Castrol GTX oil. The GL sounds better at 75,000 than the CX did at 60,000 miles. I think Mobil 1 is the difference, both bikes use the same water cooled 650 twin. I can't justify the expense of Golden Spectro. Even if the engine would never wear out, it is cheaper to replace the motor every 80,000 miles and use Castrol than to replace the Golden Spectro every 3000 miles. If you use an out-of-the-box-new motor (rather than a $200 junk yard special), or don't do your own work, then the Golden Spectro may compare more favorably. The oil needs to be changed fairly often because it gets contaminated with stuff other than the big chunks of metal that the filter can catch. Lawn Mowers seem to do fine without oil filters. I think I could get a motor to go 50,000 miles without bothering with an oil filter. Perhaps the FRAM clogged up and didn't let the engine get any oil, maybe it came apart and contaminated the engine with fibers, otherwise I don't see how the filter could be the problem. I only buy Honda filters for mine when I run out of JC Whitney filters, and I buy those 6-10 at a time. Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 75Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 18:03:35 1996 Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 18:01:39 -0400 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Oil Filters In-Reply-To: Leon Begeman "Re: Oil Filters" (May 6, 5:30pm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > ...Perhaps the > FRAM clogged up and didn't let the engine get any oil, maybe it came apart > and contaminated the engine with fibers, otherwise I don't see how the > filter could be the problem. If my memory serves me correctly, the problem with the Gold Wing filter seemed to be that under acceleration (or was it deceleration?), the oil pressure dropped precipitously low because of some flaw in the filter design. I also remember a discussion about some aftermarket filters for the Honda V4 engines that, from the outside, looked exactly like the stock Honda filters, but were missing some internal component that also allowed the oil pressure to drop too low. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Upper Marlboro, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 18:05:12 1996 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:05:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kashif Shahzad Tajammul X-Sender: kashif@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 18:10:05 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:09:56 -0400 (EDT) To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX, jdonovan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Filters Speaking of oil filters, my Honda manual says I needa special "tool" to get the filter off of my bike. Presumably this is just a plastic adapter that fits onto the filter, giving you enough leverage to break the adapter forcing you to use a sledge hammer to knock it off... :-) So what is this tool and can I use a generic one and where can I get this generic "tool"... ? - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 19:54:38 1996 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:58:49 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tires: Track Take offs In-Reply-To: <199605062209.SAA19264@clark.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was talking to Walt Schafer (the Michelin rep at Road Atlanta) this weekend about getting the _softest_ DOT tire I can get for my street going CBR900. He recommended the TS (I think, I can't remember the model name). Over in the corner I saw an exact copy of the tire that said 'TS race'. Being a squid, I said 'I want the TS race'. Walt said 'I can sell you that tire but what are you planning to do with it? If you plan on running fast on it for more that five minutes it will come apart'. Basically, the 'race' versions of some of the sportbike tires available at the track (like the Dunlop 364) are different than what you buy at the shop. They are slicks which are put in the DOT tire mold while they are still hot. Slicks are are designed to generate their own heat. On the racetrack the tires will have a chance to cool because you are not WFO for very long (except at Daytona, where many teams were having 'chunking' problems). On 66 West at 3am at 85 mph its a different story. They also have soft sidewalls which can bend soft rims. So... The moral of this story is... If you are going to buy take-offs at the track don't trust the DOT label. It doesn't mean they are safe for street use! If you do buy them (like I sometimes do) don't go touring with them. Impress your friends at the Crowbar with your golfball sized balls of rubber hanging off the sidewall of your tires, make a lot of noise when you leave and ride home really slowly! ;) Well, just don't go too fast for too long. Anyone who has been reading Roadracing World will find a lot of this familiar. I always realized it would not be a good idea to run slicks on the street (for obvious reasons). I never considered the issue of heat. Now that we have slicks disquised as 'DOT' tested tires it could lead to some very bad situations. Jim Williams AOD From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 23:41:20 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: explorer2.clark.net: jteitel owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Teitel X-Sender: jteitel@explorer2 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Filters In-Reply-To: <9605061801.ZM3185@ocampa.HITC.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was under the impression that certain lot numbers of FRAM oil filters had a manufacturing defect that caused them to come off the bike at high RPMs. Jeff ============================================================================ Keep the Rubber Side Down jteitel@XXXXXX '92 Seca II DoD#1365 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 00:21:28 1996 Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 21:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Thanks for the replies To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks for the replies about the oil filters! (and also about my trip plans for the summer). The folks on this list seem to be quite helpful and friendly. I thought that there might be a problem with synthetic oils since my bike has a "wet" clutch, but I guess that is not a problem. I think I'll go ahead and use Yamalube oil every 2500 and a new fram filter every oil change. Estimated costs: Standard Moto oil: 4*$2.25=$9.00 Oil filter: ~$10.00 OIL/FILTER cost: $19.00/2500 miles (so at 7500 miles/year this is ~$80.00 Synthetic oil: 4*$5.00=$20.00 OEM Filter: $15.00 OIL/FILTER cost: $35.00/2500 miles (so at 7500 miles/year ~$140.00 This is a pretty significant difference. Over 10 years it would be about $600.00 more to use the latter products. It seems that motorcycle maintenance is pretty expensive overall. I wonder how much I should expect to spend for parts/labor etc. to run my bike (Yamaha Seca II) for a year. (say 7500 miles) OIL/FILTER CHANGES (see above) ====$80.00 Spark Plugs =======================$20.00 Battery (20% of $50.00)============$10.00 Annual Tune Up/Valve adjustment = $175.00 1 set of tires ===================$180.00 1 set of brake pads ===============$45.00 Tire/Pad Installation =============$60.00 This total comes out to $570/year. This is a pretty substantial number, since it assumes only routine stuff (not gas), and no mechanical problems or repairs. A new chain and sprockets, even, will up my total substantially (not to mention the cool riding gear I'd like to get). With about $200.00 for gas and a couple hundred bucks of other stuff, this number comes very close to a thousand dollars per year. Any comments? Do these numbers seem about right? This assumes that the only work I do myself is oil/filter changing. The rest goes to a shop. Thanks for the help. from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 Yamaha Seca II From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 08:13:35 1996 From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Date: 7 May 96 20:16:00 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" Original-From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Original-To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Fram and Oil! Original-Date: Tue May 07 20:16 EDT 1996 Encoding: 43 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text My .02 Cents. Fram oils filters don't suck. They had a recall last year on a batch of PH6017 oil filters that were made in Singapore. Most of the 6017s up to that point were made in Canada. It clearly states on the side of the filter Made in Canada. The current model is PH6017A and is made in Canada again, not Singapore. The ones that were recalled would blow off under high pressure racing conditions due to poor tolerances on the threads. I've been using the 6017 on my GTS1000 for 26,000 miles now with no problems. I keep a stock of 5 PH6017s on the shelf and never once came accross one that was made in Singapore. Any motorcycle mechanic that tells you that you MUST use OEM filters is wrong as the OEMs and aftermarket filters are usually made by the same companies. A motorcycle shop's existence and livelyhood depend much on the sale of overpriced accessories and maintenance items, therefore they will also tell you that you need to use their dino juice at around $3+ a quart. Motorcycle Consumers News dispelled this around 2 years ago when they scientifically proved that automobile oils (Castrol GTX) performed justed as well, if not better (Mobil 1) than high priced motorcycle oils. Personally, I brake in my bikes with Castrol and switch to Mobil 1 after around 2000 miles. The Fram PH6017A can be purchased at my local AutoZone dealer for $6.58. 4 quarts of Mobil 1 - $16.00 1 Fram PH6017A - $6.58 -------------------------------------------- Total $22.58 One last thought......If synthetic oil's only advantage over regular oil is that you can leave it in the crank longer, why do manufacturers say to break in an engine using regular oil and then switch to synthetic if you desire. Hint.....synthetics have higher actual viscosity and better viscosity retention. Whew, sorry for the bandwidth! YMMV. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // klhawkins@XXXXXX '95 900CR (Desmo) // '93 GTS1000 (RADD Boy) From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 09:57:22 1996 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:57:23 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DC Cycles From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Thanks for the replies The numbers look about right to me. You could probably let the plugs go for two years, but I've never had a battery go 5 years. Bikes aren't designed to be transportation. They cost more for maintenance than cars. If you include the purchase and resale prices of the bike, you might be able to compare a little more favorably. At 21:21 5/6/96 -0700, Justin V. Laubach wrote: >I wonder how much I should expect to spend for parts/labor etc. to run my >bike (Yamaha Seca II) for a year. (say 7500 miles) >OIL/FILTER CHANGES (see above) ====$80.00 >Spark Plugs =======================$20.00 >Battery (20% of $50.00)============$10.00 >Annual Tune Up/Valve adjustment = $175.00 >1 set of tires ===================$180.00 >1 set of brake pads ===============$45.00 >Tire/Pad Installation =============$60.00 > >This total comes out to $570/year. This is a pretty substantial number, >since it assumes only routine stuff (not gas), and no mechanical problems or >repairs. A new chain and sprockets, even, will up my total substantially >(not to mention the cool riding gear I'd like to get). With about >$200.00 for gas and a couple hundred bucks of other stuff, this number >comes very close to a thousand dollars per year. > >Any comments? Do these numbers seem about right? This assumes that the >only work I do myself is oil/filter changing. The rest goes to a shop. >Thanks for the help. > > >from, >Justin V. Laubach >(JLaubach@XXXXXX) >92 Yamaha Seca II > > Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 75Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 10:14:55 1996 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:14:57 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Kawasaki Vulcan 750 for sale My neighbor has a 1994 Kawasaki Vulcan 750 for sale. He bought it new at Cycles Woodbridge two years ago. It has about 830 miles on it. He never rides in cold weather, never rides if it looks like it might rain or the roads are wet. He often takes his 8 year old son for a ride. It lives in his garage (which is cleaner than my carpeted basement). For all practical purposes, it's a new 1994 Vulcan. He might have cleaned it a couple of times, but for the life of me I can't figure out why, it's never been dirty. He's asking $4500, he's already said he would take $4200. He offered to let me ride it, but I'd better not, if I ever get a new bike I plan to put that many miles on it before it's two _days_ old. Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 75Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 10:51:20 1996 MR-Received: by mta WBHQB1; Relayed; Tue, 07 May 1996 14:48:09 +0000 MR-Received: by mta GATEWY; Relayed; Tue, 07 May 1996 14:47:17 +0000 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 14:48:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: Maintenance costs, etc. To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Tue, 07 May 1996 14:48:07 +0000 (GMT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: B620IHE2BEXK X400-MTS-identifier: [;90844170506991/8915491@WBHQB] A1-format: ASCII A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 FWIW: I normally commute from Gaithersburg to Downtown DC via Metro. When I can, I try and ride my bike. The costs to ride Metro include: $2.50 to park in the garage at Shady Grove (can be $1.00 if you get there early and park in the lot) and $6.50 round-trip on Metro. This gives a total of $7.50 to $9.00 a day. For me it is $9.00 as I prefer to pay the premium to park under cover (and I have enough trouble getting to Metro before 8:00am...) The costs to ride my bike is essentially the fuel to do a 50 mile round-trip. Granted, there are "wear and tear" costs, but overall I would say they are minimal. Figuring 35 mpg (being pessimistic,) I need about 1.5 gallons of high-test (currently about $1.55/gallon - YUCK!) and I get to park for free. So, my commuting cost on the bike is about $2.25 (or less if the gas prices go back down!) If you can't park for free, there are motorcycle meters that charge $.25 per hour, so a full day is another $2.00 - $2.25, making your total cost about $4.50/day, worst-case. What all this means, at least to me, is that I can save a minimum of $3.00/day or a maximum of $7.00/day by riding my bike to work. If I commute on my bike 50 times during the year, I will save at least $150.00 and maybe as much $350.00 for the year (more like $350 for me.) This pays for the insurance and other "expendables" that I use during the year, essentially allowing me to ride "for free" the rest of the time. I also try to do most of the "routine" maintenance myself. Things like oil changes, tune-ups, batteries, etc. are pretty easy even for the "mechanically-challenged" and can save you shop charges of $50/hour. Anyway, this works for me. As always, YMMV... Ride lots! Perry From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 13:55:49 1996 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:55:45 -0400 X-Sender: richwest@XXXXXX (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: richwest@XXXXXX (Rich Westbrook) Subject: Summit Point Does any know if there are races at Summit Point this weekend (May 11-12)? How do you get there? How much does it cost? Is there any other important information that I need to know? Rich Westbrook From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 14:16:05 1996 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:20:15 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams To: Rich Westbrook cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Does any know if there are races at Summit Point this weekend (May 11-12)? Yes. CCS I think. > How do you get there? >From MD: Rt 340 to Charlestown. Straight thru to the end of town to Summit Point Road. Take Summit Point Road 10 mi to racetrack. >From VA: Rt 7 west to Rt 9 to Charlestown. Left onto the main drag (340) to the end of town. Take Summit Point Road 10 mi to racetrack. > How much does it cost? Is there any other important information that I > need to know? I think its $20 now for the whole weekend. You can camp there if you want. Summit Point road is fun, but be careful. There are usually more crashes on the way to and from the track than at the track itself. Bring earplugs if you plan on sleeping there. Jim From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 14:19:02 1996 From: "Osidach, Vera Z." To: "'dc cycles - all'" Cc: "'rich'" Subject: RE: Summit Point Date: Tue, 07 May 96 14:17:00 EST Encoding: 7 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Rich Westbrook asks: Does any know if there are races at Summit Point this weekend (May 11-12)? This (5/11-12) is a MARRC Roadracing School/CCS weekend -- usual entry fee is around $15 (for the track, not the school %-)). You can search out the MARRC homepage for directions and all sorts of pertinent information. -Vo From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 23:55:28 1996 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Dark Hacker Date: Tue, 7 May 96 23:45:32 -0500 To: brdowney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Filters > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "brian downey" > To: Dark Hacker > Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:55:40 .5way > Subject: Re: Oil Filters > > Mr Hacker (may I call you Dark?) ... Dark, and other oil changers > out there: > > I don't know what the Honda tool looks like, but I'll bet the > generic TrakAuto filter wrench will do the job. These look a > little like an overgrown strap type pipe wrench and they're so > cheap as to be nigh disposable. The filter on my CB750 Nighthawk is buried behind four pipes. I think they designed the bike so that you HAVE to buy this (probably very expensive) special oil filter tool to get the thing off. I suspect that the Trak universal filter wrench won't work 'cause there isn't much maneuvering room back there. Ain't life at the bottom of the food chain just grand? - hacker From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 08:00:52 1996 From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Date: 8 May 96 20:03:00 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" Original-From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Original-To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil Filters Original-Date: Wed May 08 20:03 EDT 1996 Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text Hackman sez: >The filter on my CB750 Nighthawk is buried behind four pipes. I >think they designed the bike so that you HAVE to buy this (probably >very expensive) special oil filter tool to get the thing off. I >suspect that the Trak universal filter wrench won't work 'cause >there isn't much maneuvering room back there. Hmm.. I had a '91 Nighthawk 750 and just used a pair of channel locks. Works like a charm. I also used Fram PH6017 on this bike for the 2 years and 16,000 miles that I put on it. Kevin From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:08:14 1996 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:05:00 -0400 From: "Goddard, Jay" Subject: Jet kit HELP To: DC Cycles X-Mailer: Worldtalk(NetConnex V3.50c)/stream OK, so I put this great shiny new slip -on (D&D) on the bike (ZX9R) last night. I bought the slip-on because the bike is fast enuff, I just wanted to smooth out the power and look good, plus I am cheap I wanted to avoid buying a jet kit. Well the bike now runs rough. What I would like to know is, what is in a jet kit, how hard are they to install and is there a easy way to fix this trouble without a jet kit. It idles fine but if I give it gas instead of a nice VROOOMM I get a VR VR VR VR ROOM at any RPM in any gear. TIA, Jay Goddard Goddardj@XXXXXX 94 ZX9R 91EX500 for sale From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 12:57:40 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 08 May 96 12:20:10 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Goddard, Jay" Subject: Re: Jet kit HELP Most likely the slip-on flows more freely and therefore your mixture is too lean at 1/4 to 3/4 throttle. Disclaimer: The following is my understanding of how jet kits are used, and of course my understanding could very well be a MIS-understanding so if someone else out there knows better (likely) feel free to comment. Jet kits often supply one or more larger main jets to richen 3/4 to full throttle openings, an adjustable jet needle which will affect 1/4 to 3/4 throttle openings, stiffer slide springs to provide crisper throttle response, and a drill bit used to increase the hole in the bottom of the slide which also hightens throttle response. I recently read an article in Motorcycle Consumer News where they applied a jet kit to a Hawk GT to go with a freer flowing pipe. One conclusive thing they found was that you should only increase the hole in the bottom of the slide for race applications. In some cases, the pilot screw will need to be adjusted out 1/4 turn or so but that varies. Since you say it idles OK it is probably fine. The middle position on the adjustable jet needle is the same as the stock setup. To richen the mixture, move the circlip on the needle down a position or two as needed. Moving it up will lean out the mixture. Some pipe manufacturers will supply jet kits for a specific pipe application; they should at least recommend something. The best thing to do is get the kit and set it up rich and gradually lean it out. Starting out lean can result in a seizure or other damage. It can be a tedious process, but not doing it can make riding unenjoyable, uneconomical as well as dangerous in some extreme cases. The other option is to take it to a shop with a dyno and have them do the jetting for you; less tedious but more expensive. Good luck, Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX <---new address "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." <---old sig. RZ-350, CB-1, RD400F <---older bikes ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Jet kit HELP Author: ,"Goddard, Jay" at MNGNET Date: 5/8/96 11:51 AM OK, so I put this great shiny new slip -on (D&D) on the bike (ZX9R) last night. I bought the slip-on because the bike is fast enuff, I just wanted to smooth out the power and look good, plus I am cheap I wanted to avoid buying a jet kit. Well the bike now runs rough. What I would like to know is, what is in a jet kit, how hard are they to install and is there a easy way to fix this trouble without a jet kit. It idles fine but if I give it gas instead of a nice VROOOMM I get a VR VR VR VR ROOM at any RPM in any gear. TIA, Jay Goddard Goddardj@XXXXXX 94 ZX9R 91EX500 for sale From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 15:19:37 1996 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: DMG To: BWEINER@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jet kit HELP In-Reply-To: <9604088315.AA831583210@uu2455.marasconewton.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: Jet kit HELP > Author: ,"Goddard, Jay" at MNGNET > Date: 5/8/96 11:51 AM > > > OK, so I put this great shiny new slip -on (D&D) on the bike (ZX9R) last > night. I bought the slip-on because the bike is fast enuff, I just wanted > to smooth out the power and look good, plus I am cheap I wanted to avoid > buying a jet kit. Well the bike now runs rough. What I would like to know > is, what is in a jet kit, how hard are they to install and is there a easy > way to fix this trouble without a jet kit. It idles fine but if I give it > gas instead of a nice VROOOMM I get a VR VR VR VR ROOM at any RPM in any > gear. > Yep.. you need a jetkit.. There are quite a few out there.. And the other message someone posted has all that info about what is in the kits n stuff.. but when he said it is tedious.. he is dead on.. Plus you can seriously screw up your bike.. Dyno setting it up costs about 150-300 (depending on the difficulty of getting to the carbs..) a twin with no ferring will be cheap.. a vfr750 is. well.. expensive :> the difference is amazing.. very smoothe response.. and generally more power.. makes riding a new experience on some bikes.. (and just a little more plesent on others) The kits are about 150-300 also.. You can get stage 1, 2 or race ones.. 1 is the least invasive, and works very well.. (you can use the stock airbox in 99%of the applications.. if you get a stage ii.. you will probably need to get a K&N filter and maybe a new/removed airbox top.. (ducati 900ss's remove the top of the airbox completely.) all in all.. do it.. you wont be sorry!#$ Scot - '95 Ducati 900ss/cr From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 17:59:22 1996 From: RIdeY@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:58:50 -0400 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Commutes In a message dated 96-05-07 10:12:12 EDT, mrider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) writes: >Bikes aren't designed to be transportation. They cost more for maintenance >than cars. If you include the purchase and resale prices of the bike, you >might be able to compare a little more favorably. > > I strongly disagree. In many countries around the world, bikes, of all kinds are used for transportation. In some places (Israel for one) modern bikes cost like small to medium cars (which cost twice as much as in the U.S. anyway) so most bikers have to choose between a bike and a car. On the plus side, the weather in most of these places allows year round riding, and lane splitting is expected (as well as parking on the sidewalks) so the bike grants you a great commuting advantage. It's true that maintainance is expensive, but if done alone (and properly) it balances out with the gas consumption. Too bad insurance in Israel for bikes is murder. Just my 2 cents. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 21:00:12 1996 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:55:50 -0700 X-Sender: nranone2@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: nranone2@XXXXXX (Nick Ranone) Subject: need to rent 2 bike trailer I am planning on going to florida this weekend for four days. I have a little 250 I want to give to my dad. It will fit in the back of my Bronco. But I would like to bring my road bike as well. Does anyone have a two bike trailer I can rent from 10 to 15 May? Nick From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 21:30:10 1996 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 01:30:09 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RCR-V *** Second Call for Checks *** RCR-V I'm spamming this to numerous regional mailing lists up and down the east coast, as well as to rec.moto. Sorry if you see it more than once. ...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V... Second (2nd) Call for Checks for the 5th Annual Right Coast Ride (RCR-V) ***************************** BREAKING NEWS ***************************** Please have your registration materials in to me NO LATER THAN 6 June 1996. That's right, it's *D-Day* for RCR registration! This will allow me time to finalize arrangements with the caterer, beer distributor and others who are putting together the details for this fabulous event. ***************************** BREAKING NEWS ***************************** The Right Coast Ride started in 1992 when a Denizen (#0111), recently transplanted to the east coast, noted a lack of a major gather such as the UniCoastal IronHorse Joust in California or the Ride 'n Feed in Colorado. Seeking to remedy the situation, he created the Right Coast Ride. There were about thirty attendees at this first RCR (or RCR-I as it came to be known), and due to its raging popularity has become an annual event ever since. Last year's event drew over 90 participants. Once a year, Denizens and other motorcycling inhabitants of the 'Net on the North American east coast have crawled from behind their terminals to meet one another face-to-face. This is the fifth such installment of the RCR. Here are the particulars for this year's edition: Date: Friday, June 21st (noon) to Sunday, June 23rd (noon) Place: Camp West Mar, in Thurmont Maryland (near Frederick) Price: $25.00 per person. (but read on) Included: * bunkhouse lodging for two nights (Friday and Saturday) for the first 120 or so of us. Camping is the same price. If we run out of bunkhouse space, you'll have to camp. (I tend to doubt this happening. If we fill the bunkhouses and you don't want to camp, I'll return your money.) * Dinner Saturday night (1.5 hours catered buffet). Buffet will feature fried chicken and barbeque pork. Vegetarian meals will be available on ADVANCE REQUEST only. Non-alcoholic beverages provided for dinner and the Saturday night party are an assortment of sodas, Snapple, etc. * Coffee/tea/juice service Saturday and Sunday mornings. We will also lay in a stock of donuts and bagels for Saturday morning. There will likely be day-old's on Sunday morning for the brave and/or famished. Beer will be supplied at $10.00 per person for Saturday night. If expenses go better than expected, there may be some beer and soda for Friday night as well, but don't count on it. You might want to BYOB for Friday night. Beers to be supplied are the typically snooty variety preferred by the usual crowd in attendance: Pilsner Urquel, Newcastle Brown, Wild Goose, Pete's Wicked, Sierra Nevada, Dinkel Acker, etc. Your $10 will be well spent! Some things you may want to bring: * Towels, toiletries: I plan to stock the bath houses with soap, toilet paper and paper towels. Everything else is up to you. * Bed "linens" (sleeping bag, sheets and blanket, whatever) and a pillow. The bunk beds have vinyl covers on the mattresses so something to lay on would be a good idea. * Swimsuit. There is a pool at the camp, and if weather/interest/finance warrants we can hire it for the weekend as well. Note that there will not be a hired lifeguard, and I'm rather inclinded to close it once the beer starts to flow. To allow us to use the camp I HAVE to have a release form signed by ALL attendees. I'm adding some extra information to it that you may fill in for emergencies. This idea came to us at the Spring Fling a couple years ago when there was an accident. Hopefully we won't need it, and I promise not to give or use this information for any other reason. I will also destroy this information after the RCR. So if you want to attend, print the following form, fill it out, write a check and send it all to: Bill Leavitt 2206 Larchmont Drive Fallston, Maryland 21047-1610 I will acknowledge receipt of each form that contains a valid email address. I'll ask for phone numbers but won't use them unless absolutely necessary. There is an official email list for the RCR. If you plan to attend, I very strongly encourage you to subscribe to keep abreast of the latest news, verify directions to the camp, etc. The list's name is EAST, and to subscribe send email to with the following in the message body: SUBSCRIBE EAST your name My email address is . Please direct any other questions to this address. +++++++++++++++++++++++ cut here and print +++++++++++++++++++++++ MANDATORY section - all this information must be supplied. Name: ____________________________________________________________ Address: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ (Optional) phone numbers: ___________________ ___________________ Internet EMAIL address: ____________________________ Lodging Preference: Bunkhouses ______ Camping ______ (planning purposes only) Number of attendees desiring a vegetarian meal Saturday: _______ (The vegetarian meal is a vegetable lasagna and MUST be ordered in advance) Number of attendees: _________ X $25.00 = $__________ Number of attendees drinking beer: _______ X $10.00 = $__________ Amount enclosed: $__________ (Canadian attendees, et al, please make these in US Funds only) RELEASE FORM: Camp West Mar will not be responsible for any accidents happening to any person or persons of the rental groups. We, the undersigned, hereby agree to adhere to all the rules and regulations regarding the use of Camp West Mar. Signatures of attendees: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Send to: Bill Leavitt 2206 Larchmont Drive Fallston, MD 21047-1610 ++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++ OPTIONAL SECTION: In case of emergency contact:_________________________________________________ name _________________________________________________ Phone number _________________________________________________ name _________________________________________________ Phone number I'll leave it up to you to decide if there are any other things you'd like to add that usually accompany "emergency" forms. Again, this information will go nowhere else. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #0224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C KAW: 72 H2 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 75 RE5, 75 RE5, 73 GT380 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 22:55:18 1996 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:42:18 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Oil Filters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9605080445.AA00505@adenine.computation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 May 1996, Dark Hacker wrote: > > From: "brian downey" > > I don't know what the Honda tool looks like, but I'll bet the > > generic TrakAuto filter wrench will do the job. These look a > > little like an overgrown strap type pipe wrench and they're so > > cheap as to be nigh disposable. > The filter on my CB750 Nighthawk is buried behind four pipes. I > think they designed the bike so that you HAVE to buy this (probably > very expensive) special oil filter tool to get the thing off. I > suspect that the Trak universal filter wrench won't work 'cause > there isn't much maneuvering room back there. The special tool is the same as the one Yamaha produces;ie,it will work for both Hondas and Yams.It's a overgrown socket that's large enough to fit over the filter(that's why there are flats on the end of the filter) and goes on a standard 3/8 drive.An old riding buddy of mine had one for his FZR and I used it for my old CBR.I think he paid $12 for it. Just remember that Honda has two sizes of oil filter so you'll need to get the right one. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 22:55:45 1996 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:55:19 GMT From: harry@XXXXXX (Harry Mantakos) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: test oihwef oweihuf From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 23:11:37 1996 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:57:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Jet kit HELP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199605081408.KAA23225@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 May 1996, Goddard, Jay wrote: > OK, so I put this great shiny new slip -on (D&D) on the bike (ZX9R) last > night. I bought the slip-on because the bike is fast enuff, I just wanted > to smooth out the power and look good, plus I am cheap I wanted to avoid > buying a jet kit. Well the bike now runs rough. What I would like to know > is, what is in a jet kit, how hard are they to install and is there a easy > way to fix this trouble without a jet kit. It idles fine but if I give it > gas instead of a nice VROOOMM I get a VR VR VR VR ROOM at any RPM in any > gear. Before getting the jet kit,how bad is the hesitation?You might be able to get away with just playing with the carb's mixture screws. BTW,just how _loud_ is this can?A muffler that flows free enough to need a jet kit might also flow enough noise to be not-quite-legal. :-P gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 Thunder(un)bolt GATB#1121 "Most problems in life can be fixed with a chainsaw." Bill D. Cat "But pessimism IS realism!" D. L. Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 08:37:55 1996 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:37:56 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Bike vs. Car costs (was Commutes) All of your points are well taken, but I stand by my original position. Countries such as Israel deliberately skew the comparison to favor motorcycles by taxing motor vehicles according to engine size (or vehicle weight) and by putting taxes on fuel such that the tax paid is 3 or more times the cost of the fuel itself. In low annual mileage situations and where fuel price is disproportionate to the true cost of fuel, motorcycles may be cost effective transportation. In most US situations, a motorcycle is a toy, and if you try to use cost to justify keeping it, you had better hope that she doesn't do a comprehensive check of your figures. ;-) >mrider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) writes: >>Bikes aren't designed to be transportation. They cost more for maintenance >>than cars. If you include the purchase and resale prices of the bike, you >>might be able to compare a little more favorably. >> At 17:58 5/8/96 -0400, RIdeY@XXXXXX wrote: >I strongly disagree. In many countries around the world, bikes, of all kinds >are used for transportation. In some places (Israel for one) modern bikes >cost like small to medium cars (which cost twice as much as in the U.S. >anyway) so most bikers have to choose between a bike and a car. >On the plus side, the weather in most of these places allows year round >riding, and lane splitting is expected (as well as parking on the sidewalks) >so the bike grants you a great commuting advantage. >It's true that maintainance is expensive, but if done alone (and properly) it >balances out with the gas consumption. >Too bad insurance in Israel for bikes is murder. > Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 75Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 09:19:29 1996 X-PMrqc: 1 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:10:09 GMT+200 From: Darrell Mackriel Subject: subscribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Organization: National Accelerator Center X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Darrell Mackriel" Dear sir Please subscribe me to this mailing list. My email address is as follows: williedl@XXXXXX Thank you. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 11:48:53 1996 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:52:58 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams To: Leon Begeman cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike vs. Car costs (was Commutes) In-Reply-To: <199605091237.IAA01246@server1.illuminet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 May 1996, Leon Begeman wrote: > In most US situations, a motorcycle > is a toy, and if you try to use cost to justify keeping it, you had better > hope that she doesn't do a comprehensive check of your figures. ;-) > I would differ. I commute on a 1995 CBR 900 RR that I paid $2500 for and so far I have had to change the oil (after 7000 mi). My insurance costs are only $600/yr (no comprehensive since it has no bodywork). A good friend of mine has a 1988 BMW k100 that he paid $3800 for (with 28k) and he has put 50k mi on it commuting. He doesn't do _anything_ to it besides tires, brake pads and oil (believe me, it looks like it). He doesn't own a car. I have to ride from client to client during the day and I get reimbursed $.28 /mi and the bike is cheaper than my car. My car sits in the garage unless it snows. I (and my friend) do all the work on the bikes ourselves. But I do the same for my car as well. Jim From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:07:00 1996 Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 13:05:23 -0400 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Oil Filters In-Reply-To: Dark Hacker "Re: Oil Filters" (May 7, 11:45pm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > The filter on my CB750 Nighthawk is buried behind four pipes. I > think they designed the bike so that you HAVE to buy this (probably > very expensive) special oil filter tool to get the thing off. I used to remove the exhaust on my 81 CB750F. I eventually had the procedure down to about 1-1/2 minutes to get the exhaust off...til the day I broke off one of the bolts in the cylinder block. :( -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Upper Marlboro, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:44:52 1996 Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 10:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Re: Bike vs. Car costs (was Commutes) In-reply-to: <199605091237.IAA01246@server1.illuminet.net> To: Leon Begeman Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > may be cost effective transportation. In most US situations, a motorcycle > is a toy, and if you try to use cost to justify keeping it, you had better > hope that she doesn't do a comprehensive check of your figures. ;-) I also disagree. While a motorcycle may be more expensive to use (mile per mile) the low initial investment cost makes it very worthwhile. I just bought a 1992 Yamaha Seca II last summer for under $3000. This is a very low mileage bike. It looks like new and should run for at least 50K miles without any major work. For this same $3000, I could have gotten a mid-late 80's economy sedan that would have about 90K or more. This car would have been no fun to drive and would have been ugly to boot. My motorcycle, on the other hand, is faster than anything this side of a 911 Turbo (or maybe a Viper). It is also really good looking (read: Chicks dig it! :-) Anyway, I am only worried that in Spokane, WA, where I go to college, that it will be too cold to ride (ice on the roads) for a decent part of the winter. BTW, does anyone know where I can get a good new or used electric vest cheap? (off season rate?) Thanks, Justin 92 yamaha seca II From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:49:13 1996 Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 10:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Re: Bike vs. Car costs (was Commutes) In-reply-to: To: James Williams Cc: Leon Begeman , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > I would differ. I commute on a 1995 CBR 900 RR that I paid $2500 for and > so far I have had to change the oil (after 7000 mi). My insurance costs > are only $600/yr (no comprehensive since it has no bodywork). A good a 95 CBR900RR for $2500??????!!!!!! What kind of shape is it in? Wanna trade? Unbelievable Deal! Man, I gotta check the classifieds more often...... Also- Isn't comprehensive for fire/theft? justin, jlaubach@XXXXXX 92 Yamaha Seca II (cost more that $2500 last summer) From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 14:12:20 1996 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams To: "Justin V. Laubach" cc: Leon Begeman , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike vs. Car costs (was Commutes) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > a 95 CBR900RR for $2500??????!!!!!! What kind of shape is it in? Wanna > trade? > Unbelievable Deal! Right place/right time. The guy crashed on the way to Summit Point. I was the first to offer $$$. I told him I give him $500 more then the insurance co. wanted. It has almost _no_ body work. Looks like a street fighter. > Also- Isn't comprehensive for fire/theft? I have fire/theft but if I drop it they won't cover it (unless someone else is liable). Jim From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 17:08:12 1996 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Oil Filters - A solution in Motorcyclist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:08:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Forwarded message: > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 8 08:15 EDT 1996 > From: "Hawkins, Kevin" > Date: 8 May 96 20:03:00 -0400 > To: "'DC Cycles'" > Original-From: "Hawkins, Kevin" > Original-To: "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: RE: Oil Filters > Original-Date: Wed May 08 20:03 EDT 1996 > Message-Id: <31908CBE@XXXXXX> > Encoding: 14 TEXT > X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 515 > > Hackman sez: > > >The filter on my CB750 Nighthawk is buried behind four pipes. I > >think they designed the bike so that you HAVE to buy this (probably > >very expensive) special oil filter tool to get the thing off. I > >suspect that the Trak universal filter wrench won't work 'cause > >there isn't much maneuvering room back there. > > Hmm.. I had a '91 Nighthawk 750 and just used a pair of channel > locks. Works like a charm. I also used Fram PH6017 on this bike > for the 2 years and 16,000 miles that I put on it. > > Kevin In Motorcyclist magazine (May '96, pg 118) someone wrote in this suggestion: (summerized) Take a nylong strap, about 1/2" by 12-14 inches. Wrap the strap around the filter, grip the loose ends (best with vise grips) and use the high end of the grips in the direction of the turn. Sort of like a ratchet. Assuming you can get the vise grip through the pipes, maybe this will work. I haven't tried it yet myself, so I can't speak from experience. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 23:15:17 1996 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:10:07 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re:Jet kit HELP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 May 1996, Goddard, Jay wrote: > OK, so I put this great shiny new slip -on (D&D) on the bike (ZX9R) last > night. I bought the slip-on because the bike is fast enuff, I just wanted > to smooth out the power and look good, plus I am cheap I wanted to avoid > buying a jet kit. Well the bike now runs rough. What I would like to know > is, what is in a jet kit, how hard are they to install and is there a easy > way to fix this trouble without a jet kit. It idles fine but if I give it > gas instead of a nice VROOOMM I get a VR VR VR VR ROOM at any RPM in any > gear. Before getting the jet kit,how bad is the hesitation?You might be able to get away with just playing with the carb's mixture screws. BTW,just how _loud_ is this can?A muffler that flows free enough to need a jet kit might also flow enough noise to be not-quite-legal. :-P gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 Thunder(un)bolt GATB#1121 "Most problems in life can be fixed with a chainsaw." Bill D. Cat "But pessimism IS realism!" D. L. Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 00:34:00 1996 From: sanjay@XXXXXX Subject: know of any inspection stations???? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:33:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit greetings, i was wondering if any one knows of a inspection place on connecticut or wisconsin aves, wehrei can drop the bike off in the morning, grab public transport to work in downtown dc and pick it up in the evening. i searched all m/c listing in the yellow pages and found only one m/c shop listing inspection!! thanks for the info. sanjay -- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' Standard disclaimers apply. VT 700C 'nonameyet' From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 08:53:24 1996 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 08:57:34 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams To: sanjay@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: know of any inspection stations???? In-Reply-To: <9605100433.AA45553@ssc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Green Meadow Exxon on Riggs Road where it crosses 410 (Hyattsville I think). These guys are _very_ good. I've had four bikes inspected by them with no hassle. I was rejected once for a bad tire (but It was _bad_). Jim On Fri, 10 May 1996 sanjay@XXXXXX wrote: > > > greetings, > > i was wondering if any one knows of a inspection place > on connecticut or wisconsin aves, wehrei can drop the bike > off in the morning, grab public transport to work in downtown > dc and pick it up in the evening. > > i searched all m/c listing in the yellow pages > and found only one m/c shop listing inspection!! > > thanks for the info. > sanjay > > > -- > Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. > DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. > CB 650 'The Cow' Standard disclaimers apply. > VT 700C 'nonameyet' > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 09:23:58 1996 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 06:26:57 PST Subject: Re:Jet kit HELP Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) On Wed, 8 May 1996, Goddard, Jay wrote: > OK, so I put this great shiny new slip -on (D&D) on the bike (ZX9R) last > night. I bought the slip-on because the bike is fast enuff, I just wanted > to smooth out the power and look good Smooth out the power? Most aftermarket exhausts will cut off the midrange power in favor of a little more peak horsepower. That will make the power delivery rougher. You will not have as much torque in the middle of the RPM range. You will have to rev the bike higher to get the extra power near the redline. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 09:28:02 1996 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 06:30:55 PST Subject: Re: know of any inspection stations???? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) > i was wondering if any one knows of a inspection place > on connecticut or wisconsin aves, wehrei can drop the bike > off in the morning, grab public transport to work in downtown > dc and pick it up in the evening. > Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. I do not even know of any Cycle shops within the District. I thought they were all in the suburbs. I'm assuming you need a D.C. inspection. If you are talking about Maryland, I think all the bike shops will inspect your bike. So will many gas stations. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:42:52 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 May 96 10:25:14 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Jet kit HELP Technically, making any adjustments to the carbs or exhaust system that results in a richer mixture than the stock setup is illegal. But without enforcement of this, it is commonly done. Maryland has no emmissions or noise tests (that I know of) for motorcycles, althought I think you can be given a ticket for having exorbitantly noisey exhaust. It could probably be easily contested. Anybody had this happen to them? Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX <---new address "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." <---old sig. RZ-350, CB-1, RD400F <---older bikes ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Jet kit HELP Author: "Gil M. Nissley" at MNGNET Date: 5/9/96 9:43 AM On Wed, 8 May 1996, Goddard, Jay wrote: > OK, so I put this great shiny new slip -on (D&D) on the bike (ZX9R) last > night. I bought the slip-on because the bike is fast enuff, I just wanted > to smooth out the power and look good, plus I am cheap I wanted to avoid > buying a jet kit. Well the bike now runs rough. What I would like to know > is, what is in a jet kit, how hard are they to install and is there a easy > way to fix this trouble without a jet kit. It idles fine but if I give it > gas instead of a nice VROOOMM I get a VR VR VR VR ROOM at any RPM in any > gear. Before getting the jet kit,how bad is the hesitation?You might be able to get away with just playing with the carb's mixture screws. BTW,just how _loud_ is this can?A muffler that flows free enough to need a jet kit might also flow enough noise to be not-quite-legal. :-P gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 Thunder(un)bolt GATB#1121 "Most problems in life can be fixed with a chainsaw." Bill D. Cat "But pessimism IS realism!" D. L. Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:14:36 1996 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:14:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: Laptop Recommendations Well it had to happen some time -- my PowerBook has gone belly up, evidently the victim of a drop that I was unaware of. I'm thinking about a replacement that I'd like to carry on the bike and thought the list might have some recommendations. I'd like to be able to write and access Internet e-mail at a minimum. A big plus would be the ability to use Netscape. Any ideas? What about handbook size computers, does anyone have experience with them? d. *************************************************************************** Ask me about "Kickstart" -- The Next Generation in Motorcycle Magazines!! http://www.kickstart.com *************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:19:40 1996 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:21:29 -0400 (EDT) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: BWEINER@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Jet kit HELP In-Reply-To: <9604108317.AA831749114@uu2455.marasconewton.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 May 1996 BWEINER@XXXXXX wrote: > > Technically, making any adjustments to the carbs or exhaust system that > results in a richer mixture than the stock setup is illegal. Illegal? According to federal, state or local law? What if a stock engine needs tuning? Would it be illegal to make the mix richer then? What if you leaned out a rich-running stock engine and then later needed to enrichen it? enquiring minds want to know. john From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:22:44 1996 Subject: Re: Laptop Recommendations From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) To: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 May 96 11:22:38 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A-1 >Well it had to happen some time -- my PowerBook has gone belly up, >evidently the victim of a drop that I was unaware of. I'm thinking about a >replacement that I'd like to carry on the bike and thought the list might >have some recommendations. > >I'd like to be able to write and access Internet e-mail at a minimum. A >big plus would be the ability to use Netscape. Any ideas? What about >handbook size computers, does anyone have experience with them? > >d. Dale, They're a bit pricey, but we use the Dell Latitudes (Pentium). They are fairly light, good screen, and pretty reliable. One of our guys uses the Compaq Contura, and likes it a lot, but it is also up there in price. The Latitude 133 is about $4300 or so, depending on what you get with it, and the Contura is not a pentium, but is about $3500, again, depending on what you get with it. These are our negotiated prices with vendors, so YMMV. Caron From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 12:27:15 1996 Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 96 12:21:19 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:27:23 -0400 From: B.Elwell@XXXXXX (Bill Elwell) Subject: Jet Kit HELP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > Technically, making any adjustments to the carbs or exhaust system >that results in a richer mixture than the stock setup is illegal. > >Illegal? >According to federal, state or local law? >What if a stock engine needs tuning? Would it be illegal to make the >mix richer then? What if you leaned out a rich-running stock engine >and then later needed to enrichen it? >enquiring minds want to know. >john Yes, illegal. Federal and most state laws cover tampering with any emissions related components. For example, cars built after the early 70's with carbs also had limiting caps on the mixture screws. It is illegal to set the mixture beyond that which the cap would allow (rich or lean). As the law reads, it is illegal to remove, modify, or tamper with any emissions related equipment. As the law reads, it does not matter if the tampering results in no change in emissions, it is the act of tampering that is illegal. The only exception to this rule is when installing components with an EPA exemption order, though this is at the Federal level and some states don't recognize exemption orders. Welcome to politics today! Bill Elwell b.elwell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 12:30:37 1996 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:30:32 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Laptop Recommendations The gov't lets me use a TI TravelMate 4000 (486/50 w/540MB HD, 20MB RAM). I haven't had an opportunity to use it on the bike (yet), but I did notice that the new Texas Instrument series(Pentium based) uses 12V power as a standard, that would mean no need to get transformer for it. I think I would probably want to keep the laptop in a saddlebag, and use a remote screen and trackball if I were going to try to use it while moving. Is there a good automap style program that can take the input from a GPS box and display it on the screen so that I am always located in the center of the map, I have the choice to display either my current direction or north as 'up' and I can choose the map resolution based on travel time to the edge of it? At 11:14 5/10/96 -0400, Dale Coyner wrote: >Well it had to happen some time -- my PowerBook has gone belly up, >evidently the victim of a drop that I was unaware of. I'm thinking about a >replacement that I'd like to carry on the bike and thought the list might >have some recommendations. > >I'd like to be able to write and access Internet e-mail at a minimum. A >big plus would be the ability to use Netscape. Any ideas? What about >handbook size computers, does anyone have experience with them? > >d. > >*************************************************************************** > Ask me about "Kickstart" -- The Next Generation in Motorcycle Magazines!! > http://www.kickstart.com >*************************************************************************** > > > Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 75Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 12:35:56 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:35:33 -0400 (EDT) To: jim@XXXXXX, sanjay@XXXXXX Subject: Re: know of any inspection stations???? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 08:57:34 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams Subject: Re: know of any inspection stations???? Green Meadow Exxon on Riggs Road where it crosses 410 (Hyattsville I think). These guys are _very_ good. I've had four bikes inspected by them with no hassle. I was rejected once for a bad tire (but It was _bad_). Let's hope they're good. The last place (Merchants Tire) I had my bike inspected screwed me over. They inspected the bike and passed it ok, but the inspector put the state sticker on the fork above the fork seals. After about 5 miles half the sticker was rubbed off and I now have a fouled fork seal and a fork oil leak. God how could anyone be so f***g stupid. Maybe as stupid as me for taking a bike to be inspected at a tire place. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 23:05:29 1996 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:48:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Re:Jet kit HELP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199605101217.IAA10394@pafosu1.hq.af.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 May 1996, Goddard, Jay wrote: > Well you see I am a dumb ass. I was working on the water pump at the same > time, after starting and stopping the 30 time I fouled the plugs bad. I > replaced the plugs and it is almost perfect. Don't feel bad.This reminds me of a problem that I had with my '86 VFR750 Interceptor.I had just gotten the 8k mile service done for the valves.I went to start the bike a couple days later and it wouldn't run without the choke.This bike happened to be a Calif model,and cool-blooded as hell,so I didn't think that much about it until I tried to ride.It would not rev past 3k under load.First I checked the airbox and filter looking for an obstruction.Then I checked the mufflers and made sure all the pipes were equal temp.Then I drained and replaced the gas,all to no avail. Just before I decided to rip into the carbs my dad told me I better check the plugs to make sure they weren't fouled.I hadn't bothered to check them because they were brand new with only 100 miles on them. When I pulled them out they were trashed.The boneheads at the shop had put anti-seize stuff on the threads and got too much on them.The stuff got baked onto the electrodes and caused the problem. I had gone through all that work and the fix was the first thing my dad would've checked. :-P gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 Thunder(un)bolt GATB#1121 "Most problems in life can be fixed with a chainsaw." Bill D. Cat "But pessimism IS realism!" D. L. Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request Sat May 11 08:42:37 1996 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <199605101514.LAA09492@mail.his.com> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.3) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Sat, 11 May 96 08:50:12 -0400 To: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: Re: Laptop Recommendations Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have used about 3 different laptops within the past year. Low end to high end. Maybe a better way to answer the question is to recommend feature sets, then specific models. My current box is a Toshiba 410CS a) Must have PCMCIA slots. You will hate it if it does not. b) Active color matix is awesome, but adds $1000 to the cost. c) I like Intelipoint mice (trackball) but they get dirty and seem to go bad too soon. Nipple mice seem to be the standard, never tried a track pad. d) Get a minimum of 800 MB HD and 16 MB memory. Best to spend your money there, even if it is a 486. --pierre From dc-cycles-request Sun May 12 19:50:43 1996 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Motorcycle problems in the rain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:50:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lately (since I got my rainsuit) I've tried riding my bike in the rain. (Especially on the way home from the totally drenching Law Run Saturday) There's a problem I've noticed that does not occur when it's not raining. The power begins to feel very weak. If I'm waiting at a light, the idle is low, and it feels like the bike could stall at any moment. (I twist the throttle a little to keep it going). When I start moving, there's almost no power at all, I barely move, then after holding the throttle open for a few seconds (and getting honks from the car behind me) it's like a rush of power suddenly comes, and the bike starts moving again. My passenger said it felt exactly like that to her too, so it wasn't just my paranoia at riding in the rain. I also feel this weakness when I'm moving (in the rain), I believe it's more when I'm accelarating, but I don't remember exactly. I'll roll-on more of the throttle, but not feel any power. The bike accelarates a little bit, nowhere as fast as it normally does, then after a little while (5-10 seconds or so) I'll feel it kick in. When riding later, after the rain stopped, the bike behaved fine. Unless they cancel it again, I'll be taking the motorcycle maintence course this coming weekend, but I would really like to figure out, and hopefully correct this problem as soon as possible. I'm planning on riding up to Pittsburgh for Memorial Day, and would like to have one less worry on my mind. So if anyone has any ideas as to what might be the cause, and possible solutions, I'd appreciate you passing it on. Thanks Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. From dc-cycles-request Sun May 12 19:59:38 1996 From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:59:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Enjoyable DIce Run... Thought I would share this ride report with you. If you missed this one, check out other organized AMA rides coming up soon! Martha Fleming writes: Have you ever been on a dice run? No! What's a dice run? A dice run is the same thing as a Poker Run except that you roll dice instead of drawing cards. The person in charge of the run decides if he wants high or low roll to win. Great news! On Sunday April 28th, 1996, the Blue Ridge Road Riders of Frederick (MD) held a dice ride. There were a total of 89 drivers and passengers to sign up for the ride. There were 61 AMA drivers and passengers and 28 Non-AMA drivers and passengers on the ride. We even had seven District 7 members to sign up. The ride left J&T Motorsports (Frederick, MD) and proceeded onto some nice country roads. Entering Washington County, known as barf county because while my husband and I were laying out the run, I got sick after we entered the county. Passing Fort Ritchie, we eventually entered Pennsylvania. We passed several stone houses and a pretty stone church. Old Forge Road we traveled through Michaux State Forest which was a nice winding road to test your skills on. At Red's Market, which was the check point, everybody could stretch their legs. The second half of the ride was very pretty. Traveling through South Mountain, then Caledonia State Forest was another pretty ride. After the ice and snow from the cold winter, the sunny blue skies, pink and white blooming dogwoods, purple lilac trees, weeping cherry trees, colorful tulips, and white faced calves brought new life to another riding season in 1996. Listen up! How many people saw the big pink rock a the corner of Lake Meade Road and Big Rock Road? Who saw the elk, deer, llamas, geese, ducks, and ostrich on the ride? I can't forget those long-horns with the six foot horns. I'm just glad they were on their side of the fence and that I was able to out run them. The ride ended in downtown Hallam, Pennsylvania about four miles east of York at Don's Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Sea-Doo. Don had an open house for everyone to enjoy. Hot dogs, apples, sodas, chips, and pretzels were enjoyed by all with the proceeds going to charity at a later time in June. Cash money went to the winners of each class and Don also gave out some door prizes. I would like to thank Russell, my husband, for an enjoyable ride. We would both like to thank everyone that helped and participated, Don and Bobby for their help and the use of Don's shop, Ted for the starting location, and Red's for the checkpoint. We had a really successful day with everyone's help. Posted by Jeff at Antietam M.C. If you would like a copy of organized road riding events in the Maryland/DC/Delaware area, drop me a note at AntietamMC@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 03:24:34 1996 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 00:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: unsubscribe In-reply-to: <9605111250.AA09125@overlord.nova.org> To: list-proc@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT unsubscribe dc cycles I hope this works. I'll be back again in the fall. Thanks for all the help, folks! from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 XJ600 Seca II From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 08:18:50 1996 From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Date: 8 May 96 23:14:00 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Jay Goddard'" Original-From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Original-To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Jay Goddard'" Subject: RE: Jet kit HELP Original-Date: Wed May 08 23:14 EDT 1996 Content-Type: text Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >OK, so I put this great shiny new slip -on (D&D) on the bike (ZX9R) last >night. Piece o' cake Jay. If you don't want to buy a jet kit, you simply need to richen up the idle mixture screws and place a small washer under the needles. A K&N air filter would help things a bit too, but you've got to richen up those carbs now. If you'd like detailed instructions on this email me at klhawkins@XXXXXX Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // klhawkins@XXXXXX '95 900CR (Desmo) // '93 GTS1000 (RADD Boy) TIA, Jay Goddard Goddardj@XXXXXX 94 ZX9R 91EX500 for sale From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 09:24:44 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 09:26:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) Subject: Re: Motorcycle problems in the rain I used to have the same problem on my CB 650 (1980). It's been a while, but I think the problem was the spark plugs. If you're replacing them, you might consider a higher-end brand than stock. ------------------------ Kim Bieler American Writing Corp. Washington, DC kim@XXXXXX '80 CB650 '90 FZR600 ------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 13:09:36 1996 X-Sender: mark@sport X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:13:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mark Vicuna Subject: Ninja 250 Help... I know there are a few people on the list who have Ninja 250's. Sorry to bug the rest of you with this. :| I was fiddling with this now thats below the Carbs, watching in fun as it changed the RPM's of the bike. I don't have a manual so I have no idea what it REALLY does, or what it should be set at. Warm it idles at around either 1.25 or 1.65 depending what I don't know. Of course after I did that, I can sometimes hear a noise at high RPMs in Neutral that sounds like popcorn popping, I don't remember that noise before. I also smell oil burning I think. It didn't used to do that either. It had been sitting for the last 3 weeks while I waited for a part so I could put a new chain on it. It runs fine as far as I can tell, It feels like it pulls more now too. I'm sorry to bug you guys with this. This is my first Moto and I don't know anyone who has one. Thanks again, MarkV. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 13:23:34 1996 From: sanjay@XXXXXX Subject: Re: know of any inspection stations? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:23:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a big thank you to all of you folks. my apologies for not clarifying my query. i wanted to get a MD inspection. i called around and quite a few garages said they can't inspect a mc as their mechanics are licenced only for auto inspection. i know where to go now. thanks sanjay p.s. a neat place to patronize is a honda dealer in dover delaware. (diamond motor sports). the nice thing about them is that they ship. i ordered air filters for my shadow from them. paid $8.95 each, no tax, $3 shipping and i received it from them the next day. if the item you ask for is not part of the inventory management system, the guy will put you on hold till he physically grabs one off the shelves for you and put's it in front of him. talk about hassle free shopping. also, no guilt feelings about not supporting local dealers. :-) their number is (302) 697-3222. ask for parts dept. -- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' Standard disclaimers apply. VT 700C 'nonameyet' From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 14:20:11 1996 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:20:08 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ninja 250 Help... > I was fiddling with this now thats below the Carbs, watching in fun as it >changed the RPM's of the bike. I don't have a manual so I have no idea what >it REALLY does, or what it should be set at. Warm it idles at around either >1.25 or 1.65 depending what I don't know. > > Of course after I did that, I can sometimes hear a noise at high RPMs in >Neutral that sounds like popcorn popping, I don't remember that noise >before. I also smell oil burning I think. It didn't used to do that either. My vote says the problem is hypochondria. A placebo or two should cure it. I don't have a Ninja 250, but in general, there are 2 adjustments on carbs. the idle speed which is relatively easy to get at (usually this can be adjusted by hand) and the idle mixture, which is usually protected under the carbs (one little screw for each carb) and is used to set the idle richness as part of the balancing of the carbs. I suspect you were changing the idle speed, this does no harm, and can be set (within reason) anywhere you'd like it. The popping noise at high RPM in neutral is probably similar to the popping that occurs when slowing the engine with the throttle closed. It is unburned fuel being lit outside the cylinder, it is an indication of a lean mixture and is normal under the conditions you describe Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 75Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 14:58:15 1996 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:50:54 -0400 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) To: motolist@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thumper@XXXXXX Subject: I fought the law... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: MFGyr/PgJdkHlU4yayOQMw== AND I WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been hold out on talking about this until the case has cleared court, but here is the deal... Back in March (the 17th to be exact) I was pulled over on my way to work by one of Richmond, Virginia's finest. The charge? RECKLESS DRIVING! Officer Waid claimed that I had been weaving in and out of traffic without signalling for something like 10 city blocks. I was angered by this, because I didn't think that I had been doing anything wrong. Needless to say, I kept my cool while I was talking to him. First piece of advice, don't argue with the cop, you aren't going to win. I was polite and courteous and he told me that he would mention that to the judge when it came up in court. If you argue with them, they will still give you a ticket and you are screwed. So in Richmond, VA, a reckless driving rap carries 6 points on your license. I'm not sure what the fine is but I would bet that it is somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 at least (any one have any ideas about this?). My neighbor, Quentin, who is an ex-lawyer, kept pressuring me, saying "You got to take care of this, Dan! It's as bad as a DWI!" He gave me the name of a lawyer friend of his who specialized in traffic cases, or at least he does a lot of them. I wasn't able to get in touch with this friend, Dannie R. Sutton, until a few days before the court date. I went to his office and explained what had happened, at least my version of it. Basically, I had been riding down one of the main streets leading into the downtown part of Richmond. It was before 9am so there was no parking allowed. I was approaching a stop light. There were four lanes, three of which had traffic in them. The curb lane had no traffic in it. I checked my mirrors and changed lanes (2) to get into the right hand curb lane. I honestly don't remember if I used my turn signals or not. As I came up to the line at the stop light, it changed to green and continued through the intersection. I rode about a block in the curb lane and then changed into the lane 2nd from the right hand curb. Two reasons for this. I don't like being that close to the curb, i.e. no manuvering room, and the pavement sucked. Cars are parked on it all day so the asphalt is very bumpy. So I drove on a couple of more blocks in that lane and looking in my mirror I noticed a patrol car a block or so behind me. He didn't have his lights on so I wasn't concerned. The lights are timed on this section of Franklin Street so if you go any faster than 30mph you just get to sit at each light anyway. The problem was that as I approached another light, there was a van in my lane. The light turned to green and the van didn't move. Finally, after what seemed like an hour but must have actually been the few moments as I slowed and slowed and tried not to have to come to a complete stop, the van pulled over into the curb lane to park (still in a no parking zone). I continued forward in my lane as soon as the space opened up. Didn't change lanes, why signal? Two blocks further on I was getting ready to make a right hand turn on 5th street which is one way in that direction. 3rd street is also one way and the car in front of me was also turning right. I changed lanes to the left, w/o signaling this time, to get around the car, changed back to the right after 3rd street and then made my right hand turn when 5th street came up. Two blocks down 5th street, while sitting at the red light, I saw the patrol car come screaming around the corner with it's lights blazing. The officer pointed at me, so I pulled over to the side. Much light hearted banter ensued, as one can imagine. Officer: Don't those turn signals work?! Me: (Speechless at this point, what is the proper response to this question, "Duh, do you?) Anyway, he gave me a ticket for reckless driving. He didn't clock my speed and I kept saying "Well, I was only going with the flow of traffic. I couldn't have been going that fast because there were cars around me the entire time." If I hadn't said that, he probably would have gotten me for speeding also. So this is the story that I give to Dannie. He said he would take the case for $300. I said OK. He met me at the courthouse two days later (April 11th). We were hoping that Officer Waid would not show. If he did, Dannie was going to sound him out on how he was going to testify. Dannie was late for another case so our main aim was to get a continuance until a later date. Basically, the cop showed up and was out for blood so we took a continuance until May 13th (this morning for those of you who don't know what day it is). Fast forward to May 13th (this morning....) I showed up at the courthouse. My legal counsel showed up at the the courthouse. Guess who didn't show up at the courthouse? That's right boyz and grrlz, Officer Waid. Cased dismissed... What have I learned from this experience? First, don't argue with the cop. Second, if you are going to fight it, get a lawyer. Let them figure out how to proceed. Third, don't whine about getting a ticket if you were breaking the law. He got me for reckless driving which, in the state of Virginia, is defined as "20 mph over the posted speed limit or driving so to as endanger the lifes of others". I wasn't driving 45 mph in that traffic and I hadn't endangered any of my fellow commuters. If he had gotten me simply for speeding, I probably wouldn't have fought it, although I'm not sure. later, uncle dan From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 15:29:43 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:28:34 -0400 To: dpcook@XXXXXX, motolist@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thumper@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I fought the law... good story and congratulations. Lets capitalize on this. If you can recommend good traffic lawyers in our area send their names (and phones if possible) and I will compile and publish the list. Steve From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 15:39:30 1996 Date: Mon, 13 May 96 15:37:59 EDT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Subject: British Bike Day/Germantown Does anyone have directions from central VA (Richmond) to British Bike Day? When it was in Olney, I usually ended up taking I-95 to the Beltway to get around DC. Is the Beltway still the best way? Is their a way to avoid the Beltway without giving up too much time? I'd rather follow Rte.1 and avoid the hassle of the expressway if possible. TIA Frank George fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... mailbox is the company's" From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 15:41:42 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 May 96 14:55:08 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, Mark Vicuna Subject: Re: Ninja 250 Help... Sounds like you are describing the idle adjustment screw. I assume when you say 1.25 you mean 1250 rpm. I don't have any experience with your particular bike but I would guess that between 1100 and 1400 rpm when warm is the correct idle speed. 1650 sounds a little high to me. You really should check the manual though. As for the popping sound and the oil smell. It could be any number of things: from improper carburation to improper valve timing/clearances to worn rings to bad plugs to poor ignition timing to a clogged air filter to a clogged fuel filter etc. Start checking the easiest and cheapest things first. Good luck, Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX <---new address "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." <---old sig. RZ-350, CB-1, RD400F <---older bikes ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Ninja 250 Help... Author: Mark Vicuna at MNGNET Date: 5/13/96 2:18 PM I know there are a few people on the list who have Ninja 250's. Sorry to bug the rest of you with this. :| I was fiddling with this now thats below the Carbs, watching in fun as it changed the RPM's of the bike. I don't have a manual so I have no idea what it REALLY does, or what it should be set at. Warm it idles at around either 1.25 or 1.65 depending what I don't know. Of course after I did that, I can sometimes hear a noise at high RPMs in Neutral that sounds like popcorn popping, I don't remember that noise before. I also smell oil burning I think. It didn't used to do that either. It had been sitting for the last 3 weeks while I waited for a part so I could put a new chain on it. It runs fine as far as I can tell, It feels like it pulls more now too. I'm sorry to bug you guys with this. This is my first Moto and I don't know anyone who has one. Thanks again, MarkV. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 16:08:26 1996 Date: Mon, 13 May 96 16:06:56 EST From: "Matt Plowman" Encoding: 73 Text, 22 Text To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, mark@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Ninja 250 Help... I'll venture a guess that you are messing with the idle *mixture* screw as oppossed to the idle *speed* screw. The speed screw adjuster probably acts as a throttle return stop. Adjusting this regulates the closed throttle RPM. The idle mixture screw controls the AF ratio at idle. Refer to your book for proper settings but usually you wind it shut gently seating it (so as not to damage the tip) and wind it out anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5 turns. >From what I could piece together from your description ... > Of course after I did that, I can sometimes hear a noise at high RPMs in > Neutral that sounds like popcorn popping, I don't remember that noise > before. I also smell oil burning I think. It didn't used to do that either. If your carb idle pilot circuitry is not completely bypassed at high RPM's your popping is caused because you've probably leaned the bike out too much. Lean also makes the engine run hotter ... ergo the hot sweet oil smell. Hope it helps, Matt XS850, CBR600 ___________________________ Reply Separator ________________________________ Sounds like you are describing the idle adjustment screw. I assume when you say 1.25 you mean 1250 rpm. I don't have any experience with your particular bike but I would guess that between 1100 and 1400 rpm when warm is the correct idle speed. 1650 sounds a little high to me. You really should check the manual though. As for the popping sound and the oil smell. It could be any number of things: from improper carburation to improper valve timing/clearances to worn rings to bad plugs to poor ignition timing to a clogged air filter to a clogged fuel filter etc. Start checking the easiest and cheapest things first. Good luck, Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX <---new address "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." <---old sig. RZ-350, CB-1, RD400F <---older bikes ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Ninja 250 Help... Author: Mark Vicuna at MNGNET Date: 5/13/96 2:18 PM I know there are a few people on the list who have Ninja 250's. Sorry to bug the rest of you with this. :| I was fiddling with this now thats below the Carbs, watching in fun as it changed the RPM's of the bike. I don't have a manual so I have no idea what it REALLY does, or what it should be set at. Warm it idles at around either 1.25 or 1.65 depending what I don't know. Of course after I did that, I can sometimes hear a noise at high RPMs in Neutral that sounds like popcorn popping, I don't remember that noise before. I also smell oil burning I think. It didn't used to do that either. It had been sitting for the last 3 weeks while I waited for a part so I could put a new chain on it. It runs fine as far as I can tell, It feels like it pulls more now too. I'm sorry to bug you guys with this. This is my first Moto and I don't know anyone who has one. Thanks again, MarkV. From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 May 96 14:55:08 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, Mark Vicuna Subject: Re: Ninja 250 Help... From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 16:17:41 1996 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:19:01 -0500 (EST) From: dcjohnson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ninja 250 Help... In-reply-to: <2.2.32.19960513171314.00930568@sport> To: Mark Vicuna Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 13 May 1996, Mark Vicuna wrote: > > I was fiddling with this now thats below the Carbs, watching in fun as it > changed the RPM's of the bike. I don't have a manual so I have no idea what > it REALLY does, or what it should be set at. Unless you were using a screwdriver, it was the idle adjustment. Check w/ a bike shop for the correct rpm it should be set at- probably 900 to 1200 rpm. Warm it idles at around either > 1.25 or 1.65 depending what I don't know. sounds a bit high though that could be right. Warm idle is all that matters- startup idle is controlled by the choke/enrichener. > Of course after I did that, I can sometimes hear a noise at high RPM in > Neutral that sounds like popcorn popping, Hmmm... could be either unburnt charge igniting in the exhaust system (sort of a backfire) or maybe sticking valves- too high an idle leads to undue corbon buildup, then sticking valves. Could also be something more sinister :-0 How many miles are on the bike? Can you trace the source of the noise? Is it the pipes or the head? Carb possibly? I don't remember that noise > before. I also smell oil burning I think. It didn't used to do that either. Oil is gen. burnt only when: 1) valve guides/ oil seals are worn fron use or rust on the valve stem rips the seal 2) rings are VERY worn and no longer seal properly 3) Oil was spilled/ leaks over the pipes or engine The last is usually the easiest to fix. Is there oil smoke anywhere? > > It had been sitting for the last 3 weeks while I waited for a part so I > could put a new chain on it. It runs fine as far as I can tell, It feels > like it pulls more now too. New chains and sprockets can often add power -sometimes several horsepower compared to old/kinked/rusted drive components. 3 weeks is not a long time for a bike to sit. Which bike shop made you wait 3 weeks for a part? > I'm sorry to bug you guys with this. This is my first Moto No problem. We all had "first Motos"- though mine wasn't as quick as your Ninja and it taught me more than I ever wanted to know about how to work on bikes. and I don't > know anyone who has one. I don't generally ride on the street, but now you know someone who also has a bike. Happy riding. Douglas From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 16:44:33 1996 Date: Mon, 13 May 96 16:00:32 EDT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: , , , From: "Frank George" Subject: re:I fought the law... ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) AND I WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <> ===================================================================== Congrats. Nice to see someone win one every now and then. Worst case scenario would have probably been "improper driving" (depending on the judge). I've never had to visit Richmond traffic court, though I've spent some time in the surrounding counties. Here's a good point for VA riders. If your record is clean, you can have a ticket "dismissed" in court. When you show up, tell the bailiff (or clerk) that you would like to attend driving school. If you have a clean record AND you haven't used this method in the past three years, your ticket will be dropped pending successful completion of the school. (you'll actually plead "no contest") I used this a couple of years ago when I was part of a seven car pile-up in my cage. I was nailed for "following too close" and was definitely going to be found guilty. I pleaded "no contest" and left the building while the other drivers' lawyers were still arguing. Two weeks later, no ticket, clean record. It's a nice solution when they've got you by the short ones. (I don't think it would work for "reckless driving" though) L8R Frank George fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... mailbox is the company's" From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 16:55:30 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:55:22 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Alternative to kerosene? Are there alternatives to kerosene that are safe for my drive chain with O rings? The bike manual says "high flashpoint solvent like kerosene." What do they consider a high flashpoint solvent that I can buy in a can at the store and won't gum up or unduly dry out my chain? - hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 17:15:04 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:11:00 -0400 (EDT) To: FEGeorge@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dpcook@XXXXXX Subject: re:I fought the law... Date: Mon, 13 May 96 16:00:32 EDT From: "Frank George" Subject: re:I fought the law... Here's a good point for VA riders. If your record is clean, you can have a ticket "dismissed" in court. When you show up, tell the bailiff (or clerk) that you would like to attend driving school. If you have a clean record AND you haven't used this method in the past three years, your ticket will be dropped pending successful completion of the school. (you'll actually plead "no contest") I don't think it would work for "reckless driving" though Works for Reckless Driving too. I was in an accident last year and got charged with 6 points Reckless Driving. Really sucked because all I did was run off the road into the gravel and busted my arm. This is reckless and deserves 6 points? As if the accident and medical bills weren't enough. But... I got off with the charge dismissed because I had a clean record and took the MSF advanced course. Cool. I was going to take the course anyway. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 17:38:30 1996 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:42:41 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I fought the law... In-Reply-To: <9605131850.AA22558@factotum.rmc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I wanted to share a recent experience: I was driving (in my cage) on 95 N just after Baltimore. I was pulled over for 71 in a 55. I was in the center lane with traffic on both sides. I was in a van and I was the biggest target. I went to court. I plead 'guilty with an explanation' hoping for a break on the points. The judge asked me how my driving record was. I was on the spot and I couldn't remeber when the last time I received a ticket was so I said it was good. She said 'what about the ticket in VA a year and a half ago' and before I could blink she said 'guilty' and I was sent home $60 lighter. :-( The moral: Get a copy of your driving record before you go to court! (A lawyer is a good idea as well, but $300 seemed a little steep for this situation). I was pulled over for doing rear wheel slides in the rain at 60mph in a 35 (on my CBR900) and I got a warning! Go figure! Jim From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 18:13:08 1996 X-Sender: mark@sport X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:16:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mark Vicuna Subject: More info on Ninja 250 Help... Ok, I'm all very confused about everything now. Here is an answer to some of the questions. Its a 94 250R with 17k miles and I've all ways used 93 or 91 gas in it. I did put Tri-Flow on the chain and some did get flung off onto the pipes and etc. Does Tri-Flow smell like burnt oil? It is also all most time for the valve adjustment. Probably is time. The engine is running a lot warmer, so I leaned out the AF mixture to much when I was twisting the nob? One other thing, I had left it almost empty while it was sitting for the 3 weeks and most of what was left had evaporated. Could it just be some water or something in the fuel? Thanks to everyone again. Thanks, MarkV. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 18:19:13 1996 X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:25:08 From: IIIDmentia@XXXXXX (WILLIAM ADAMS) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: BB Day Directions >From Richmond, VA: I-95 N to I-495 West (Capitol Beltway) I-495 to I-270 north I-270 approx 8 miles to Germantown exit (RT 118) going east (right) towards MD 355. at MD 355 turn left (north) and follow till you see sign for 27 North-( Darnstown Rd.) Take 27N for about a mile where you'll likely see a Butler's Orchard sign. There is a traffic signal at Brink Rd. Turn right at Brink and then the first left, Wildcat Rd. By this time you should be seeing plenty of indicators for the action, but if not continue on Wildcat Rd. to the first stop sign and go left. You can't miss it. At my last recollection, there was a good deal of construction activity in the Germantown/Rockville area, so follow the route numbers and you won't go wrong. Also, there will probably be some directing device either on 355 or 27 and at the intersections. Bill Adams 3Dmentia computer animation 4016 Spruell Drive Kensington, MD 20895 301-949-9475 '66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel ...all there From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 22:23:42 1996 To: "Justin V. Laubach" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 May 1996 00:24:24 PDT." X-uri: http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/harry/ Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 22:23:07 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >unsubscribe dc cycles >I hope this works.... It doesn't. This is an excerpt from the short note that everybody who has subscribed in the past few years received when they first subscribed: Welcome to dc-cycles! To send to the list, send to 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'. For administrative requests, (like unsubscribing from the list) send to 'dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX'. ... -harry From dc-cycles-request Mon May 13 23:36:29 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 23:36:18 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jim@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I fought the law... Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:42:41 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams Subject: Re: I fought the law... said 'what about the ticket in VA a year and a half ago' and before I could blink she said 'guilty' and I was sent home $60 lighter. :-( The moral: Get a copy of your driving record before you go to court! (A Another reason to have a copy of your record is to present it as evidence if your record is clean. It's bad form to say "my driving record is clean" and just assume they have a copy of it (which I'm sure they always do). - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Tue May 14 07:54:25 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "motolist@XXXXXX" , "thumper@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 14 May 96 08:01:51 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I fought the law... [...] >Officer: Don't those turn signals work?! [...] >What have I learned from this experience? First, don't argue with the cop. >Second, if you are going to fight it, get a lawyer. Let them figure out how >to proceed. Third, don't whine about getting a ticket if you were breaking >the law. He got me for reckless driving which, in the state of Virginia, is >defined as "20 mph over the posted speed limit or driving so to as endanger >the lifes of others". I wasn't driving 45 mph in that traffic and I hadn't >endangered any of my fellow commuters. If he had gotten me simply for speeding, >I probably wouldn't have fought it, although I'm not sure. Fourth, use your turn signals so other drivers know what you're planning and so you don't give cops a reason to pull you over. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com Norloff's OS/2 BBS From dc-cycles-request Tue May 14 09:21:42 1996 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 14 May 96 09:19:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re:I fought the law... In-Reply-To: <199605132111.RAA01773@clark.net> > > Date: Mon, 13 May 96 16:00:32 EDT > To: , , > , > From: "Frank George" > Subject: re:I fought the law... > > Here's a good point for VA riders. If your record is clean, > you can have a ticket "dismissed" in court. When you show up, > tell the bailiff (or clerk) that you would like to attend > driving school. If you have a clean record AND you haven't > used this method in the past three years, your ticket will be > dropped pending successful completion of the school. (you'll > actually plead "no contest") > > I don't think it would work for "reckless driving" though > > Works for Reckless Driving too. I was in an accident last year and got > charged with 6 points Reckless Driving. Really sucked because all I > did was run off the road into the gravel and busted my arm. This is reckless > and deserves 6 points? As if the accident and medical bills weren't enough. > > But... I got off with the charge dismissed because I had a clean record and > took the MSF advanced course. Cool. I was going to take the course anyway. > > - Hacker > just keep in mind that the DMV watches very closely your driving record for the next year after you take one of their courses inlieu of points. Judges also frown upon anyone who has taken a remedial driving course and gets another violation within 12 months. Under certain conditions, if you take the course and get a subsequent ticket less than 12 months later, the DMV can AUTOMATICALLY suspend or revoke your driving privs.... DMV figures you shouldn't get something for nothing...and they're supposed to tell you this when you sign up for the course but sometimes they don't...so beware...I've also heard of judges that have come down REALLY hard and awarded the maximum sentence to repeat offenders who have taken the remedial courses...so be careful folks! ...from an ex-DMV employee... ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Tue May 14 11:19:38 1996 Date: Tue, 14 May 96 11:19:33 EDT X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Frank George" From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: British Bike Day/Germantown Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Does anyone have directions from central VA (Richmond) to British >Bike Day? When it was in Olney, I usually ended up taking I-95 to the >Beltway to get around DC. Is the Beltway still the best way? Is their a >way to avoid the Beltway without giving up too much time? > > I'd rather follow Rte.1 and avoid the hassle of the expressway if >possible. I live in Germantown, MD, only about 5 miles from Butler's Orchards (site of BBD). I'm not too familiar with much south of northern VA, but if you'd like to go west of DC, try coming up Rt. 15 to Whites Ferry (or Point of Rocks), cross into MD, take Rt. 28 to Rt. 118, cross I-270, left onto 355, right onto 27. Butler's is off of 27 after another couple of miles. David Mackintosh '87 Integra RS, '96 Integra SE mackinto@XXXXXX '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 Germantown, MD, USA '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 14 12:22:37 1996 Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:22:31 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: David Mackintosh , "Frank George" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: British Bike Day/Germantown Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX David said. . . >west of DC, try coming up Rt. 15 to Whites Ferry (or Point of Rocks), cross >into MD, take Rt. 28 to Rt. 118, cross I-270, left onto 355, right onto 27. >Butler's is off of 27 after another couple of miles. > To get to 15, you could take 33 northwest out of Richmond. There are other roads out that way as well, most are very pretty. You might also look at 29, it is very fast most of the way from Charlottesville to the area near Dulles Airport. Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 75Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Tue May 14 13:28:10 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 May 96 12:08:12 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, Mark Vicuna Subject: Re: More info on Ninja 250 Help... Here are my contributions to further confusion: 1) "Tri-flow" ,if it is lubricant, will probably smell like burnt oil if it gets onto a hot exhaust pipe but it won't remain there very long. 2) Your engine is running hotter either because there is something wrong with engine e.g. lean mixture, head gasket leak, OR because the coolant system is not working correctly. When was the last time you changed coolant? Is the fan coming on at the right time? Is it actually running hot or is the temp guage out of whack? Is the thermostat opening at the correct tempurature? 3) From your description yesterday, I think you adjusted the idle screw (throttle stop screw). This will not effect air/fuel mixuture, only the butteryfly opening at idle (on a CV/CD carb). When you open up the butterfly valve more, more air flows through the carbs and more fuel, proportional to air flow, will get sucked throught the pilot jet. 4) Check your tank for rust. If it really rusty, your carbs may be slightly clogged with rust particles. If so, have them cleaned, replace the fuel filter, and have the tank derusted. 5) I'm sure I've given you some ideas that are intimidating, but diagnosing why a motorcycle is running rough without seeing/hearing the bike or knowing its history is a crap shoot. It could be one simple thing or several complicated things. If you are not prepared to dive head first into learning about the inner workings of your bike, and I wouldn't blame you if you aren't, take it to a shop. I've spent plenty of time and money "trying this change, or replacing that part" on guesses and hunches, but I was also prepared to spend the time and money becuase I was willing to learn by fire. I have asked, and still do ask, tons of questions of people who have tons more experience than myself. Good luck and dive on in, Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX <---new address "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." <---old sig. RZ-350, CB-1, RD400F <---older bikes _____________________________ Reply Separator ________________________________ Subject: More info on Ninja 250 Help... Author: Mark Vicuna at MNGNET Date: 5/13/96 6:34 PM Ok, I'm all very confused about everything now. Here is an answer to some of the questions. Its a 94 250R with 17k miles and I've all ways used 93 or 91 gas in it. I did put Tri-Flow on the chain and some did get flung off onto the pipes and etc. Does Tri-Flow smell like burnt oil? It is also all most time for the valve adjustment. Probably is time. The engine is running a lot warmer, so I leaned out the AF mixture to much when I was twisting the nob? One other thing, I had left it almost empty while it was sitting for the 3 weeks and most of what was left had evaporated. Could it just be some water or something in the fuel? Thanks to everyone again. Thanks, MarkV. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 14 14:34:38 1996 From: Hal@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:34:06 -0400 To: mackinto@XXXXXX, FEGeorge@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: British Bike Day/Germantown Can someone fill me in a bit on this event? When, where, etc....bikes for sale? Thanks! Hal McCabe America Online Sports Burke VA BMW 95 R1100GS From dc-cycles-request Tue May 14 16:07:36 1996 Date: Tue, 14 May 96 16:01:46 EDT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: , From: "Frank George" Subject: re:Re: British Bike Day/Germantown ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:Hal@XXXXXX Can someone fill me in a bit on this event? When, where, etc....bikes for sale? <> ===================================================================== British Bike Day is a M/C rally held every spring in MD. As the name implies, it is a celebration of all British makes, and has been sponsered by Classic Bike magazine in the past. I *believe* its one of the largest classic bike rallies on the east coast. (no flames please, its just a guess). Besides a councours and swap meet, there is plenty of good food and beverage. What makes the rally even more fun is that the parking lot is an unofficial rally itself, with bikes ranging from Indians to Laverdas to early Japanese stuff (and yes, even Harleys). If you are a fan of two wheeled machinery, this is your best chance to see it all in the Mid-Atlantic region. I'll be riding my '91 Kawasaki Councours that I just got back on the road this week. Look for a big red Kaw with "battle damage". My riding buddy will either be on his Sportster or his wife's CB400F. Look us up. It'd be nice to put some faces to these signature files. L8R Frank George fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... mailbox is the company's" From dc-cycles-request Tue May 14 22:58:26 1996 Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 22:45:08 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Motorcycle problems in the rain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199605122350.TAA28976@clark.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm...that is a weird problem.I had an '84 Nighthawk S(over in England no less) and never had any problems in the rain with the engine.You do have to be careful with the shaft-reaction,buy that's another story. One problem I did have was carb-icing,which this kind of sounds like.When the weather was really cold and damp the bike wouldn't idle right at first and wanted to die unless the motor was above 2k rpm.I learned that if I shut off the motor for about a minute the heat from the engine would warm up the carbs and I would then be able to ride normally.Next time,try pulling over and shutting down for a minute or two before going on.If this solves it,then it's carb-icing.A jet kit would then probably fix this. Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Buell R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 Thunder(un)bolt GATB#1121 "Most problems in life can be fixed with a chainsaw." Bill D. Cat "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request Thu May 16 17:39:37 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:39:42 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Another accident Damn I hate writing these. Last night on my way home, I wrecked my bike (again). I was headed south on Rt 28 between Rt 66 and Manassas about two miles north of Prince William County. Traffic was the usual mess, I obviously wasn't paying attention, I was going about 20-25 and the car in front of me was stopped. I think I swerved some, I don't think I braked, I hit the right rear corner of her mini-van with the left front of my fairing (the one I just put on last weekend after repainting it). The impact knocked the bike (and me) to the right then it (and me) fell over on the left side. After sliding to a stop I was about even with the front bumper of the car in front of the one I hit. Damage to the bike: fairing has a lot of cracks The fairing mount is bent, the fairing is out of place. The fairing lower is broken, but still in place. The left footpeg, shiftlever and center stand are bent ~$200 and a couple of weekends of work Damage to the car: broken tail light, tail light mount, wrinkled fender. ~$500?? I have bruises on my left hip and right knuckle, the car driver wasn't hurt. One of the comments that a bystander made was "It's a good thing you had your helmet on". I thought about saying something but didn't. My helmet didn't hit the ground, It did no more good than the seatbelt in the car drivers car, it simply wasn't a factor. What did keep me from being injured was 1) that big barndoor fairing from a 1983 GoldWing 2) My Aerostich suit, although I do think I'm going to order hip pads for it 3) The glancing blow which gave me (and bike) two car lengths to come to a stop. Thanks to Bob Patnoe of Cycle Therapy on Rt 28 in Yorktown (north of Manassas) for letting me borrow enough tools to bend stuff out of the way so I could ride it the rest of the way home. So if you see a John Deere Green and Yellow bike with crash damage, that's me. It'll look like that for a few months, maybe by then I'll get caught up (again) and fix it, Gotta go ride. Take it easy out there, stay awake. Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 75Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Thu May 16 22:46:36 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:46:09 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another accident Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:39:42 -0400 From: Leon Begeman Subject: Another accident County. Traffic was the usual mess, I obviously wasn't paying attention, I was going about 20-25 and the car in front of me was stopped. I think I swerved some, I don't think I braked, I Good instincts! A rider of lesser experience (and I know you have a good bit of experience Leon) would have locked up the brakes. It's easy to veg while either in boring stop-and-go traffic or while enjoying the countryside going by. I've noticed (in my limited riding experience), a tendency to enjoy the ride a little too much... simply wasn't a factor. What did keep me from being injured was 1) that big barndoor fairing from a 1983 GoldWing 2) My That's why some people buy cadillacs and now that I think of it, probably an advantage of owning a HEE-UGE bike with a big fairing. Ablative shielding. So if you see a John Deere Green and Yellow bike with crash damage, that's me. It'll look like that for a few months, maybe by then I'll get caught up (again) and fix it, Gotta go ride. Take it easy out there, stay awake. Didn't the cops give you a ticket or anything? Geeze, they homed right in on me when I cracked up. I don't think I like the trend here... first the brother of a friend of mine is killed in an MC accident, then Sash gets hit by a cage, and now this... all within 4 days. Not a good sign at all... - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Fri May 17 08:01:45 1996 Subject: Re: Another accident From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) To: mrider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 May 96 08:01:34 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A-1 >Damn I hate writing these. Last night on my way home, I wrecked my bike (Details snipped) Aw shoot.. I'm sorry to hear about your accident. Each time I hear of, or see a bike accident I get the willies.... >Damage to the bike: fairing has a lot of cracks >The fairing mount is bent, the fairing is out of place. >The fairing lower is broken, but still in place. >The left footpeg, shiftlever and center stand are bent >~$200 and a couple of weekends of work It's a shame that you'd just gotten it repainted, too.. $200 is a lot of money, but I'm sure it could have been much worse.. Don't beat on yourself about 'not paying attention'. Even when you're paying close attention, things happen. > >Damage to the car: broken tail light, tail light mount, wrinkled fender. >~$500?? Ouch! > >I have bruises on my left hip and right knuckle, the car driver wasn't hurt. > Well that's good. Bruises heal much faster than breaks. (And they look cooler, too!) - I know - that was sick. But when I had my accident, and I had bruises all the way up my leg, everyone either said 'Ouch!' or 'Cool!' when they saw them.. >One of the comments that a bystander made was "It's a good thing you had >your helmet on". I thought about saying something but didn't. My helmet Sure sure.. that helmet did a lot to protect those hips of yours, right? But I'm sure the person meant well.. It was good that you kept your cool. >Thanks to Bob Patnoe of Cycle Therapy on Rt 28 in Yorktown (north of >Manassas) for letting me borrow enough tools to bend stuff out of the way so >I could ride it the rest of the way home. > That was very nice of him. I didn't know that place was there. Is it a repair shop or is it a parts shop? >So if you see a John Deere Green and Yellow bike with crash damage, that's So tell me.. is that the *normal* color? >me. It'll look like that for a few months, maybe by then I'll get caught up >(again) and fix it, Gotta go ride. Take it easy out there, stay awake. Good advice for everyone, Leon. Take Care and hope you're all healed soon. Caron From dc-cycles-request Fri May 17 08:04:15 1996 Subject: Re: Another accident From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) To: hacker@XXXXXX (Dark Hacker), dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 May 96 08:04:06 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A-1 > >I don't think I like the trend here... first the brother of a friend of mine >is killed in an MC accident, then Sash gets hit by a cage, and now this... >all within 4 days. Not a good sign at all... All in 4 days? I think I'd stay off the bike for a few days, Hacker. But that's the superstitious side of me.. > >Hacker Caron From dc-cycles-request Fri May 17 08:41:49 1996 Date: Fri, 17 May 96 08:30:15 EST From: "Daren Magness" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Another accident Damn I hate writing these. Whenever I hear about an accident involving a m/c rider - I start to evaluate my participation as a motorcyclist. Last night on my way home, I wrecked my bike (again). I was headed south on Rt 28 between Rt 66 and Manassas about two miles north of Prince William County. Traffic was the usual mess, It always is, I know exactly where you are talking about. I obviously wasn't paying attention, I was going about 20-25 and the car in front of me was stopped. I think I swerved some, I don't think I braked, I hit the right rear corner of her mini-van with the left front of my fairing (the one I just put on last weekend after repainting it). The impact knocked the bike (and me) to the right then it (and me) fell over on the left side. After sliding to a stop I was about even with the front bumper of the car in front of the one I hit. Sounds like you kept your cool and thought about what was happening while the accident was going on. Damage to the bike: fairing has a lot of cracks The fairing mount is bent, the fairing is out of place. The fairing lower is broken, but still in place. The left footpeg, shiftlever and center stand are bent ~$200 and a couple of weekends of work Damage to the car: broken tail light, tail light mount, wrinkled fender. ~$500?? I have bruises on my left hip and right knuckle, the car driver wasn't hurt. Just pissed off and a little humiliated. One of the comments that a bystander made was "It's a good thing you had your helmet on". I thought about saying something but didn't. Most cagers know very little about m/c riding and the persons verbal delivery of the comment could tell if the comment was made scarcastically or sincerely. Look at it this way - at least someone stopped! In this area most of the time, you are shit out of luck getting help from anyone on the road. They usually just drive by, look for blood, and keep on moving. My helmet didn't hit the ground, It did no more good than the seatbelt in the car drivers car, it simply wasn't a factor. It is those "what ifs that will haunt you in your on-going personal evaluation of the accident.... What did keep me from being injured was 1) that big barndoor fairing from a 1983 GoldWing 2) My Aerostich suit, although I do think I'm going to order hip pads for it 3) The glancing blow which gave me (and bike) two car lengths to come to a stop. Thanks to Bob Patnoe of Cycle Therapy on Rt 28 in Yorktown (north of Manassas) for letting me borrow enough tools to bend stuff out of the way so I could ride it the rest of the way home. So if you see a John Deere Green and Yellow bike with crash damage, that's me. It'll look like that for a few months, maybe by then I'll get caught up (again) and fix it, Gotta go ride. Take it easy out there, stay awake. Safe riding! Daren 1985 CB650 Nighthawk - 13530 miles Magness@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri May 17 09:44:14 1996 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:44:13 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Another accident Hacker said >Good instincts! A rider of lesser experience . . . might have been paying attention. >It's easy to veg while either in boring stop-and-go traffic or while >enjoying the countryside going by. I've noticed (in my limited riding >experience), a tendency to enjoy the ride a little too much... I think that worked against me in this case. I find it is much easier to pay attention in a car because I don't drive as many miles as I ride. >Didn't the cops give you a ticket or anything? Geeze, they homed right in on >me when I cracked up. > No, just lucky I guess, however, I think clean shaven, with white shirt and tie, m/c training patches (w/instructor patch) may have helped. >> So if you see a John Deere Green and Yellow bike with crash damage, that's >> me. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Gil M. Nissley wrote: > I've seen you around here somewhere before.The fairing's yellow and the >tail's green,right?Just out of curiousity,why the lemon/lime paint job? I've always liked John Deere's, I learned to drive on about a dozen of them, this year John Deere is sponsoring Chad Little in the NASCAR Busch series. The team is owned by Greg Pollux and Mark Rypien. I didn't intend for it to look like the 'after the race' picture. >>Thanks to Bob Patnoe of Cycle Therapy on Rt 28 in Yorktown (north of >>Manassas) for letting me borrow enough tools to bend stuff out of the way so >>I could ride it the rest of the way home. >> At 08:01 5/17/96 -0400, Caron Rose wrote: >That was very nice of him. I didn't know that place was there. Is it a repair >shop or is it a parts shop? > Bob's is a repair shop. Right now he only works on Harley's. He's thinking about working on other bikes, but the problem with those is getting parts. There are lots of places other than the dealer to get Harley parts, but for other brands, the dealer is often the only place to get parts. That drives up his costs and makes it difficult to compete. At 08:30 5/17/96 EST, Daren Magness wrote: >Whenever I hear about an accident involving a m/c rider - I start to >evaluate my participation as a motorcyclist. I agree. This is important. Mine was a stupid mistake, now I have to figure out how to keep from repeating it. Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 75Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Sat May 18 02:20:31 1996 Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 02:10:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Anyone For the Run? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello all, I was wondering how many dc-cyclers are going to Rolling Thunder next Sunday.It would be neat to meet some of you and put faces to the sig files.I was thinking maybe we could all get together for breakfast somewhere before the run or something. What do you say,guys? Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Buell R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 GATB#1121 HSB#38DT "Most problems in life can be fixed with a chainsaw." Bill D. Cat "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request Sun May 19 21:16:18 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 21:16:07 -0400 (EDT) To: crose@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another accident Subject: Re: Another accident From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) >So if you see a John Deere Green and Yellow bike with crash damage, So tell me.. is that the *normal* color? I think he needs to get some big "Deere" stickers to put on the side of the bike. That would be a hoot! - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Sun May 19 21:27:30 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 21:27:14 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone For the Run? Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 02:10:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Anyone For the Run? Hello all, I was wondering how many dc-cyclers are going to Rolling Thunder next Sunday.It would be neat to meet some of you and put faces to the sig files.I was thinking maybe we could all get together for breakfast somewhere before the run or something. What do you say,guys? A get together would be fun although I probably won't be attending Rolling Thunder itself. I'm not thrilled about overheating my engine idling in a parking lot or traffic. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Sun May 19 23:08:57 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:08:40 -0400 (EDT) To: crose@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another accident Subject: Re: Another accident From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) >I don't think I like the trend here... first the brother of a >friend of mine is killed in an MC accident, then Sash gets hit >by a cage, and now this... all within 4 days. All in 4 days? I think I'd stay off the bike for a few days, Hacker. But that's the superstitious side of me.. Too late. This past weekend I went on a 700 mile "Round The World Tour" of Virginia with the Capital Area Motorheads Society and had a blast! Virginia has lots of wonderful countryside and twisty mountain roads (with good gravel-free asphalt) just begging to be ridden on. We had no mishaps and enjoyed sunny (albeit hot and humid) weather for the greater majority of the 3 days. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 08:30:47 1996 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:30:24 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Dark Hacker , crose@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Another accident You haven't seen it have you? It's got Chad Little's number 23 on each of the side covers, "John Deere" on each of the saddlebags, and a picture of the car with the number 23 on the back of the tail trunk. As soon as I get the front end refinished, it will also have a "running Deere" logo on the front and on each side of the fairing. As far as it's 'normal' color, once long-long ago Honda made a gray SilverWing, after I bought it, I had it painted red. From now on, it's normal colors are green and yellow. I wrote - > >So if you see a John Deere Green and Yellow bike with crash damage, > Caron Rose wrote - > So tell me.. is that the *normal* color? > At 21:16 5/19/96 -0400, Dark Hacker wrote: >I think he needs to get some big "Deere" stickers to put on the side of >the bike. That would be a hoot! > >- Hacker > > Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 75Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 09:04:18 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:04:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: British Bike Day Hope those of you who made it enjoyed it as much as I did. Nice to see two rideable, unrestored Vincents. New location is great, though I gotta say the entrance was well hidden. Steve R65 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 11:02:38 1996 Sender: barryf@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:09:41 -0400 From: Barry Frise Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.01 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: locked up front brakes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A buddy of mine neglected his 1982 Honda CB900F for about three years and just let it sit in his yard deteriorating. A month ago he decided he wanted to see about getting it on the road again and had Coleman's take a look at it for an estimate, which came in at ~$1500. He said "no thanks" and trucked it up to Berkeley Springs, WVA, where he has a vacation house, and found a local guy who does repairs on the side to supplement his park ranger income. He got it running pretty well, and also freed up the two front calipers by disassembling them and cleaning them up as well as he could, although there was some corrosion pitting that remained, he said. I drove my friend up there to pick up the bike yesterday and by the time he had ridden the bike down from this guy's shop into town the front brakes had stuck on. We called the guy, who came down with some tools and openned the bleeders to relieve the pressure, and rode the bike back up to his shop staying off the front brake. At the shop we bled the brakes again, took it for a test ride, and the brakes still seemed to freeze up. The guy said that although he was trying to save Mike (my buddy) some money it looked like it was going to require new calipers. I mentioned that it could be air in the line that expands when heated, but the guy claims to have bled the brakes completely and thoroughly. He feels that there was too much corrosion and that when the calipers heat up the piston can't retract. Didn't someone else on the list have a similar problem recently? Anyone else have any ideas? Thanks. Barry Frise barryf@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 11:38:30 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "hsta@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:46:08 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Cool vest for summer riding? I was sending a few rambling ideas to a friend, and though I'd toss them out for all. Ideally, I'd like a way to keep cooler in city heat, while wearing an Aerostich, gloves, boots, and helmet -- and while wearing office-type clothes (slacks, nice shirt, tie). That may be asking too much. But maybe not ... Chris Norloff I wonder if a cool vest would be a possibility for attaching inside an Aerostich. All I can think of for cooling would be fan-forced air, or perhaps cool water pumped through a vest. The fan-forced air would be cheaper, but how and where to mount itty-bitty 12-volt fans? The water vest would be better at cooling, but how to cool the water? A separate water cooler would be too cumbersome, and anything light enough to be man-mounted would probably be real expensive. I've seen 12-volt coolers to plug into the car and keep a six-pack (or bigger, maybe) cool, for less than $100. I wonder if it could be cannibalized. Any idea how much power those need? Maybe carry blue-ice packages, and keep them in the office refrigerator? That'd be cheap and simple. One in each breast pocket? Or in the back "map" pocket? Arai (?) had an electrically-cooled helmet some years ago. I wonder what a vest-sized unit would cost and weigh? cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 11:49:11 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:56:55 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: locked up front brakes [...] He got it running pretty well, and also freed up the >two front calipers by disassembling them and cleaning them up >as well as he could, although there was some corrosion pitting >that remained, he said. I drove my friend up there to pick up the >bike yesterday and by the time he had ridden the bike down from >this guy's shop into town the front brakes had stuck on. I'd recommend rebuilding the brakes with new rubber parts. If the rubber seals lose their pliability, they won't pull the pistons back after the brakes are actuated. Two dust seals and two sealing rings per caliper came to about $20-25 the last time I did it, I think (1981 Honda CB750F). It could be that corrosion has destroyed the pistons, but they can be replaced, too (though by then it may be cheaper to buy new/rebuilt calipers). My current 1982 bike sat for most of its life until I got it. All the brakes dragged a bit when I started riding it, but after the brake system got exercised, they worked okay. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 11:54:42 1996 Subject: Re: Another accident From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) To: hacker@XXXXXX (Dark Hacker), dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:54:24 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A-1 >Too late. This past weekend I went on a 700 mile "Round The World >Tour" of Virginia with the Capital Area Motorheads Society and had a >blast! Virginia has lots of wonderful countryside and twisty >mountain roads (with good gravel-free asphalt) just begging to be >ridden on. We had no mishaps and enjoyed sunny (albeit hot and humid) >weather for the greater majority of the 3 days. > >Hacker > Well Great! I'm glad all went well. Maybe you've broken that cycle.. We didn't get to ride this weekend at all. Spent saturday out on Lake Manassas with a wussy little electric motor.. *TRYING* to catch some fish... Sunday I spent getting ready for an interview, so I missed the Parr Poker Run. - Did anyone go on this one? Mr. Bill?? Caron From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 11:58:45 1996 Subject: Re: Another accident From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) To: mrider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:58:36 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A-1 >You haven't seen it have you? It's got Chad Little's number 23 on each of >the side covers, "John Deere" on each of the saddlebags, and a picture of >the car with the number 23 on the back of the tail trunk. As soon as I get >the front end refinished, it will also have a "running Deere" logo on the >front and on each side of the fairing. > >As far as it's 'normal' color, once long-long ago Honda made a gray >SilverWing, after I bought it, I had it painted red. From now on, it's >normal colors are green and yellow. Ahh Ok - No offense intended on that question about the normal color. It's visible - Right? Up at Myers Cycle I saw an extremely bright orange (made hunter orange look pale) sport bike. Whew! It was a rainy day, and it was STILL bright in that one little parking spot.. Caron From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 12:05:31 1996 From: Snider@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:44:51 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Commuting I am a fairly new rider and also new to this group. I have recently begun commuting on my 1980 Yamaha 400 Special. My problem is clothing, since I need to wear dress clothes at work. I have been wearing my jacket with jeans and boots and then changing in the bathroom at work. Does anybody have any other cheap solutions to good protection and dress clothes? My commute is only about 10-15 mins, so I am not too concerned about getting too hot or a little wet. Thanks, Joe Snider snider@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 12:42:46 1996 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:42:44 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DC Cycles Mailing List From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: locked up front brakes At 11:09 5/20/96 -0400, Barry Frise wrote: > He feels that there was >too much corrosion and that when the calipers heat up the piston >can't retract. Didn't someone else on the list have a similar >problem recently? Anyone else have any ideas? Thanks. > I've had this happen a couple of times. I've got a bike like that right now. I don't ride it, and won't until I get a chance to work on the brakes. Usually this can be fixed by getting a rebuild kit for the calipers. It's cheap, only about $20. All you get is the gasket that goes between the caliper and the piston. Take the caliper apart, use emery paper and clean the outside of the piston and the inside of the caliper. Clean the grit away thoroughly and reassemble it. Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 76Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 12:51:36 1996 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:51:33 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "hsta@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cool vest for summer riding? At 11:46 5/20/96 +0600, Chris Norloff wrote: >Ideally, I'd like a way to keep cooler >in city heat, while wearing an Aerostich, gloves, boots, and >helmet -- and while wearing office-type clothes (slacks, nice >shirt, tie). That may be asking too much. But maybe not ... > I wonder if a cool vest >The fan-forced air >itty-bitty 12-volt fans? >A separate water cooler >Maybe carry blue-ice packages, --------KISS------------- Keep it simple, sir. the blue ice might work. One advantage of commuting on a bike is that the weather is cooler in the morning, you don't need that stuff. In the afternoon, you change after getting home, you're allowed to smell bad in your own house. You could also put the shirt and tie on after you park. Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 76Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 13:02:25 1996 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:02:23 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Snider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Commuting For summer get a pair of denim coveralls, in winter a snowmobile suit. If you shop carefully you can get both for about $100. The converalls provide at least as much protection as jeans, and they're easier to get in and out of. If this works and you're still commuting in a couple of years then save your money and get a rainsuit ($30-$100), an electric vest ($100), Totes ($25), an Aerostich ($600), electric gloves ($100) etc etc etc :-) At 11:44 5/20/96, Snider@XXXXXX wrote: > >I am a fairly new rider and also new to this group. I have recently begun >commuting on my 1980 Yamaha 400 Special. My problem is clothing, since I need >to wear dress clothes at work. I have been wearing my jacket with jeans and >boots and then changing in the bathroom at work. Does anybody have any other >cheap solutions to good protection and dress clothes? My commute is only about >10-15 mins, so I am not too concerned about getting too hot or a little wet. > Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 76Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 13:08:35 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 96 12:34:54 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: locked up front brakes Is the corrosion/pitting on the pistons or the calipers themselves? If it's on the pistons, try rebuilding the calipers with new pistons and seals before forking over $200+ dollars each for new calipers. Getting all the air out of the brake lines is a frustrating task to say the least, especially if the bike in question has a crossover/1-into-2 setup. It can take a day and a lot of shaking for all the air bubbles to float up to the master cylinder. Good luck, Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX <---new address "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." <---old sig. RZ-350, CB-1, RD400F <---older bikes ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: locked up front brakes Author: Barry Frise at MNGNET Date: 5/20/96 11:49 AM [snip] I mentioned that it could be air in the line that expands when heated, but the guy claims to have bled the brakes completely and thoroughly. He feels that there was too much corrosion and that when the calipers heat up the piston can't retract. Didn't someone else on the list have a similar problem recently? Anyone else have any ideas? Thanks. Barry Frise barryf@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 13:13:36 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 20 May 96 13:21:20 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Commuting >I am a fairly new rider and also new to this group. I have recently begun >commuting on my 1980 Yamaha 400 Special. My problem is clothing, since I need >to wear dress clothes at work. I have been wearing my jacket with jeans and >boots and then changing in the bathroom at work. Does anybody have any other >cheap solutions to good protection and dress clothes? My commute is only about >10-15 mins, so I am not too concerned about getting too hot or a little wet. Well, it's not cheap, but my solution is to use an Aerostich. I change to boots, fold my jacket into the trunk, and wear the Aerostich over my slacks, shirt, and tie. Works quite well. Chris Norloff P.S. I used to wear a leather jacket, and put leather chaps over my dress slacks. Gave good protection, except for my butt. cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 13:24:22 1996 Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 96 13:17:51 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:18:37 -0400 From: B.Elwell@XXXXXX (Bill Elwell) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Commuting Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.836216238" --IMA.Boundary.836216238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Unbelievable, I was just about to write an similar message. I would like to ride the bike to work more often. I can't wear jeans/boots very often though. What do the other commuters on the list do? Please post your response to the list since there is more than one of us looking for information. Thanks, Bill Elwell b.elwell@XXXXXX ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Commuting Author: Snider@XXXXXX at INTERNET Date: 5/20/96 11:44 AM I am a fairly new rider and also new to this group. I have recently begun commuting on my 1980 Yamaha 400 Special. My problem is clothing, since I need to wear dress clothes at work. I have been wearing my jacket with jeans and boots and then changing in the bathroom at work. Does anybody have any other cheap solutions to good protection and dress clothes? My commute is only about 10-15 mins, so I am not too concerned about getting too hot or a little wet. Thanks, Joe Snider snider@XXXXXX --IMA.Boundary.836216238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 96 12:10:40 EDT From: Snider@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:44:51 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Commuting --IMA.Boundary.836216238-- From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 13:32:47 1996 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:26:33 -0400 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: locked up front brakes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: kQBUolvAtpsGMT/SOS569g== I haven't thought about this much but why would air in the lines cause the piston to stop moving? If anything, I would think that it would cause the opposite problem. Odds are that you simply need to pull out the pistons and give them a good cleaning. As someone else already said, sand them with very fine sand paper or steel wool to get all the surface rust off. Replace gaskets, etc and then reassemble and you shouldn't have any problem. I had to do the same thing on an RZ350 which had sticking brakes. uncle dan From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 14:27:55 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Brian Downey" Organization: PSA To: Snider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:27:21 +0000 Subject: Re: Commuting (apparel) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.20) > From: Snider@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:44:51 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Commuting > > I am a fairly new rider and also new to this group. I have recently begun > commuting on my 1980 Yamaha 400 Special. My problem is clothing, since I need > to wear dress clothes at work. I have been wearing my jacket with jeans and > boots and then changing in the bathroom at work. Does anybody have any other > cheap solutions to good protection and dress clothes? My commute is only about > 10-15 mins, so I am not too concerned about getting too hot or a little wet. Hey Joe and DC-Cyclers, I'm in a similar situation - commuting about 30 min each way. I use a heavy leather jacket and leather pants over my work clothes. I wear the ususal boots, gloves, etc. In the winter I just add layers of sweater(s) and thermals underneath, and a scarf at the neck. Its no fashion statement, believe me, but it works. A rain suit was my first m/c investment, even before the leather. A wet ride, even for a short time can ruin your whole day. In a pinch, the rain gear can serve as clothing protection over your business wear, but be aware that it offers *no* impact or abrasion protection. I also have half my wardrobe at work full-time. I keep dress shoes, ties, and suit jackets (all of 'em) in the office. This keeps the bulk down and prevents wrinkles. On the clothes, anyway. When I get to work, I strip off all the moto gear and become Mr Normal (!) again. Keep the shiny side up, BD _____________________ ===(')(') __________________bfd_____ Brian Downey "" Falls Church, Virginia brdowney@XXXXXX AMA470620 DoD4657 exUSN 2 cool boys now: '94 VFR750 was (& soon for sale): '84 750 Interceptor From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 16:59:10 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 96 16:29:06 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: locked up front brakes The air can expand due to the heat developed in the caliper from braking. The brake fluid doesn't. Water in the lines has the same effect. Usually though, air in the lines makes the lever feel mushy because the air is more compressible than is the fluid. Mushy brakes will often not work well enough to allow the heat build up. Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX <---new address "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." <---old sig. RZ-350, CB-1, RD400F <---older bikes ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: locked up front brakes Author: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) at MNGNET Date: 5/20/96 4:12 PM I haven't thought about this much but why would air in the lines cause the piston to stop moving? If anything, I would think that it would cause the opposite problem. Odds are that you simply need to pull out the pistons and give them a good cleaning. As someone else already said, sand them with very fine sand paper or steel wool to get all the surface rust off. Replace gaskets, etc and then reassemble and you shouldn't have any problem. I had to do the same thing on an RZ350 which had sticking brakes. uncle dan From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 17:05:04 1996 X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 16:08:09 From: IIIDmentia@XXXXXX (WILLIAM ADAMS) To: barryf@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: locked up front brakes >He feels that there was >too much corrosion and that when the calipers heat up the piston >can't retract. Didn't someone else on the list have a similar >problem recently? Anyone else have any ideas? Thanks. > >Barry Frise >barryf@XXXXXX I think it would be foolish to try and refurbish what are obviously a set of completely shot pistons and sleeves. The money you save is not worth the possibility of a serious accident caused by questionable front brakes. I would advise replacement of the caliper and pistons along with the rubber seals at the very least. You can't afford to scrimp on brakes on any vehicle, least of all a motorcycle. This is a relatively easy DIY project that can be accomplished in half a day, you'll save a lot in labor costs. I would also suspect the master cylinder if the bike has been in the open for three years. Bill Adams 3Dmentia computer animation 4016 Spruell Drive Kensington, MD 20895 301-949-9475 '66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel ...all there From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 19:53:35 1996 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Another accident/ PARR Run To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:53:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Another accident > From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) > > Well Great! I'm glad all went well. Maybe you've broken that cycle.. intended..> > > We didn't get to ride this weekend at all. Spent saturday out on Lake Manassas > with a wussy little electric motor.. *TRYING* to catch some fish... Sunday I > spent getting ready for an interview, so I missed the Parr Poker Run. - Did > anyone go on this one? Mr. Bill?? > > Caron I went on it. Another good run, lots of woods, farms and stuff. One long, one lane, bridge. I'm glad no-one popped up on the other side, cuz I was not going to back up! It was interesting to see how many people went with just shirts on, no jackets. (more than half) I wore my new (pre-owned) Scout leather jacket with all the vents open, and except for at long stop lights, I was comfortable. Not cool, but not hot either. One nice twist is that the person who won third place AMA-Passenger also won for lowest hand. There were only 3 AMA-passengers. But they wouldn't give her to low hand award, they thought it should go to someone who didn't win a trophy, so they called up the second lowest hand. At the end of the run, they were taking a survey. They wanted to see if maybe people would prefer a cash award instead of the trophies. Interesting idea. I kinda like having the trophies, something to remember the fun with. But then again, can buy something for the bike with the cash. I wonder what they'll decide to do. The run ended about 35 miles south of Alexandria, off I-95, and there was some heavy traffic coming back, but all in all it was another good run. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 20 21:45:38 1996 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:45:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Re: British Bike Day At 09:04 AM 5/20/96 -0400, SRFox@XXXXXX wrote: >Hope those of you who made it enjoyed it as much as I did. >Nice to see two rideable, unrestored Vincents. It was kinda cool. (well actually about 95 deg hot!) It's the first time I'd been to it, so that was worht the $10. Since I have little interest in a brit bike right now I doubt i'd go again. I followed a guy in with plates that said 'ONLNE'. Who was that? rich From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 08:04:28 1996 Subject: Re: PARR Runs From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) To: louis@XXXXXX (Louis F. Caplan), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Tue, 21 May 96 08:04:24 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A-1 Louis wrote: >At the end of the run, they were taking a survey. They wanted to see if maybe >people would prefer a cash award instead of the trophies. Interesting idea. >I kinda like having the trophies, something to remember the fun with. But >then again, can buy something for the bike with the cash. I wonder what >they'll decide to do. > I like the trophies. In fact, though I won lowest hand, and got a certificate for free registration for the next run, I would have liked the novelty of having a trophy stating that I had gotten low hand. Something to laugh about years from now. >The run ended about 35 miles south of Alexandria, off I-95, and there was >some heavy traffic coming back, but all in all it was another good run. Parr runs usually are. They really try to pick good roads - both in riding quality, and condition. Hearing that this one ended down near fredericksburg makes me glad we didn't get on it. I'd much rather ride a long way to the beginning, and then end close to home. After riding all day, it's a bit tiring having to ride another 50 miles home.. Thanks for the report, Louis! Caron > >Louis > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX >Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC >DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 09:17:44 1996 From: STURGES_RICH@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:05:57 -0400 Subject: Recovery of Tracy Poole To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles Group) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Folks had asked about Tracy, the rider who was flown out of Summit Point last weekend after a nasty turn 10 crash. He took a direct hit on the head from one of the three other bikes involved in the crash, hard enough to break his helmet. Tracy started coming around last Wednesday and should start rehab today or tomorrow. A 100% full recovery is expected. He's already sick of the hospital. Good news indeed. rich From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 09:17:51 1996 From: STURGES_RICH@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:08:50 -0400 Subject: Memorial Service for Harry Morse To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles Group) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part WERA race director and MARRC founder Harry Morse passed away this past weekend. Memorial services will be held at the Ives Pierrson (sp?) Funeral Home in Arlington (2847 Wilson Blvd, near Filmore) GodSpeed, Harry rich From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 09:40:36 1996 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:20:17 -0400 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: locked up front brakes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: fqUldLb3OsYsaQ8wMhRbvQ== > > I think it would be foolish to try and refurbish what are obviously a set of > completely shot pistons and sleeves. The money you save is not worth the > possibility of a serious accident caused by questionable front brakes. I > would advise replacement of the caliper and pistons along with the rubber > seals at the very least. You can't afford to scrimp on brakes on any vehicle, > least of all a motorcycle. This is a relatively easy DIY project that can be > accomplished in half a day, you'll save a lot in labor costs. I would also > suspect the master cylinder if the bike has been in the open for three years. While I agree that it would indeed be foolish to try to refurbish bad gear, he might want to at least look at the pistons and see if they are still rusty. If you replace the caliper and piston with brand new, manufacturer replacements, you are looking at a not insignificant chunk of change. If you replace them with used parts, you are looking at the same problem that you are facing at the moment, i.e. making sure that your brakes work. Brakes are pretty simple devices actually. What shape are the lines in? What color was the fluid before he drained it? Did the guy drain it or just top it up? uncle dan From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 09:47:50 1996 From: Snider@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 May 96 09:22:02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Choke I have recently acquired a 1980 Yamaha 400 Special. It has 2 out positions on the choke. I am wondering if anyone knows the proper use of this choke. How should I use it differently in warm weather as opposed to cold weather? How long should it be in the out position(s) after the engine has started without fouling the plugs? I am also having some problems with stalling. Especially when it is just starting, I can't get it to idle without stalling. I constantly have to be feeding it with the throttle. I also am having some trouble even getting it started (which lead me to wonder if I am using the choke properly). Once a little warm, though, it starts right up again. The stalling seems to lessen when the engine gets warm, but it still happens occasionally. Also, recently it has begun to pop a little when first started (this is mixture? a choke problem?). There is also hesitation sometimes when I first turn the throttle. Is it possible the timing needs adjusting and/or the points need gapping, as well? Regarding the commuting attire question I posed yesterday, I discovered another cheap solution in my double layer army pants. They fit nicely over work pants, are made of solid material, and are two layers thick, giving me three layers (including the dress slacks) of material between me and the asphalt. A little on the warm side though. Thanks, Joe Snider snider@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 10:48:17 1996 From: Hal@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:48:13 -0400 To: sturges@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: British Bike Day I followed a guy in with plates that said 'ONLNE'. Who was that?>>> That would be me... I was actually looking to buy an older BSA or Norton, but didn't see any there I really liked...except for ones that were already sold. Have a lead..but if any of you guys know of a 1960's era BSA or a Norton Commando S...let me know. :) Hal McCabe America Online Sports '95 R1100GS From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 10:54:43 1996 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:52:06 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams To: STURGES_RICH@XXXXXX cc: DC-Cycles Group Subject: Re: Memorial Service for Harry Morse In-Reply-To: <1a199410@hq.navsea.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I can't believe it. I was talking with Harry at Atlanta two weeks ago and he was telling me about the bike he was going to be racing at Summit this weekend (if his foot felt better). He never mentioned that he was sick. Harry always looked out for me 'cause I was riding two strokes. If I could only count the times he turned the decible meter a little to the left as I went by. I will miss him dearly. Jim On Tue, 21 May 1996 STURGES_RICH@XXXXXX wrote: > WERA race director and MARRC founder Harry Morse passed away this past > weekend. Memorial services will be held at the Ives Pierrson (sp?) Funeral > Home in Arlington (2847 Wilson Blvd, near Filmore) > > GodSpeed, Harry > > rich > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 11:01:44 1996 Sender: barryf@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:08:47 -0400 From: Barry Frise Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.01 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: locked up front brakes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Cook wrote: >Bill Adams wrote: >> I think it would be foolish to try and refurbish what are obviously a set of >> completely shot pistons and sleeves. The money you save is not worth the >> possibility of a serious accident caused by questionable front brakes. I >> would advise replacement of the caliper and pistons along with the rubber >> seals at the very least. You can't afford to scrimp on brakes on any vehicle, >> least of all a motorcycle. This is a relatively easy DIY project that can be >> accomplished in half a day, you'll save a lot in labor costs. I would also >> suspect the master cylinder if the bike has been in the open for three years. > > While I agree that it would indeed be foolish to try to refurbish bad gear, > he might want to at least look at the pistons and see if they are still > rusty. If you replace the caliper and piston with brand new, manufacturer > replacements, you are looking at a not insignificant chunk of change. If you > replace them with used parts, you are looking at the same problem that you > are facing at the moment, i.e. making sure that your brakes work. Brakes are > pretty simple devices actually. What shape are the lines in? What color was > the fluid before he drained it? Did the guy drain it or just top it up? > > uncle dan The way Dennis (the mechanic) and Mike (the bike owner) left it on Sunday was that new calipers and possibly the master cylinder would be purchased. After reading all the replies to my original message it would seem to be the way to go. Dennis disassembled the calipers and did the best he could to remove all the corrosion, but said that some pitting remained. He didn't mention the condition of the rubber parts and I don't think he replaced any of them, but I have to assume that if he thought they needed replacement he would have. The fluid was completely replaced. One of the two retaining screws for the master cylinder resevoir cover has broken off at the threads, and Dennis said that functionally the master cylinder was OK today but that it should be replaced as it's just that much easier for moisture to enter the system, and could fail soon due to it having sat for so long. Again, serious dollars, and Dennis was under orders to minimize costs, so you can't blame him for trying to follow orders. For safety's sake I'm going to recommend to Mike that he bite the bullet, instead of the pavement, and replace everything, including the lines, which don't show any external signs of weakness, and be done with it. It's not worth it to try and get by rebuilding cores that are marginal. Thanks again for everybody's input! As far as Dennis' mechanical abilities go, I didn't see anything that raised any flags for me. He's an AMA member and a racer, currently on a Suzuki Quad he claims to have over $10,000 invested in and that was clean enough to eat off, as was the rest of his garage. He had shelves full of trophies, I counted over 50 including a couple from Blackwater, and is also just finishing up a '49 Chevy pickup restoration that looked sweet. He works for the Park Service, when there's work, and wrenches when there isn't. Right now there's plenty of work and he's been very busy helping to rebuild the C&O Canal, so Mike's bike is all he has time for. Barry... From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 11:16:46 1996 Date: Tue, 21 May 96 11:15:22 EDT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: , Cc: "Charles R. Bent" From: "Frank George" Subject: re:Re: British Bike Day ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:Hal@XXXXXX <> .but if any of you guys know of a 1960's era BSA or a Norton Commando S...let me know. :) ===================================================================== Contact Chuck Bent, President of the Virginia British Motorcycle Club, (804) 749-3118. I *think* his e-mail is crbent@XXXXXX. Here inside Reynolds Metals, I can only see his local address. Also keep your calendar open in the fall for VBMC's British/European bike rally in Richmond. (sometime in Sept/Oct). Its like Germantown (formerly Olney) without the heat. Frank George fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... mailbox is the company's" From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 11:49:54 1996 From: STURGES_RICH@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:36:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Memorial Service for Harry Morse To: James Williams , dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles Group) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part When are the services? 7:30 pm > WERA race director and MARRC founder Harry Morse passed away this past > weekend. Memorial services will be held at the Ives Pierrson funeral > Home in Arlington (2847 Wilson Blvd, near Filmore) > > GodSpeed, Harry > > rich From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 14:15:23 1996 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:15:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: richwest@XXXXXX (Rich Westbrook) Subject: Re: Commuting I was in a bicycle store the other day and saw one of those new camel back water bottles. They are very flat and strap onto your back like a small back. If you filled one with water and put it in the freezer the night before it would probably fit under a leather jacket easily. It would at least keep you cool for a short commute. I have never tried this idea, but it seems like it could work. Rich Westbrook From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 14:58:43 1996 From: ChrisHMann@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:58:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Commuting (Gloves?) okay first a question, what kind of gloves does anybody recommend for summer riding? right now i've got a nice pair of winter gloves with thermal lite lining and stuff...but a bit too hot in the summer time to wear. The only summer gloves i have are crap. For some reason they decided that the wrist opening should be about 6 times bigger than the hand opening, so i guess if you're popeye they'd fit fine, but hey...i'm not. So i'm looking for a pair of gloves that aren't too flimsy, (i.e. leather, with padding) and yet still have some sort of cooling mechanism built in and don't cost an arm and a leg. any ideas? i rode in this morning, and was actually a bit chilly. I think, as someone said before, the earlier you leave in the morning the better. I left for work around 7:30, and it was great. We'll see how it is this afternoon though. I'd recommend the motoport canyon jacket. It's got enough vents and openings to help keep you cool, but it is also pretty durable. I was in a crash last fall and the jacket didn't even get scuffed up, even after flying over the car. The also make pants to go with the jacket, but i don't have those. The only drawback is that it's not waterproof unless the liner is in. chris From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 17:17:46 1996 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:18:01 PST Subject: Re: Another accident/ PARR Run Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) > At the end of the run, they were taking a survey. They wanted to see if maybe > people would prefer a cash award instead of the trophies. Interesting idea. Years ago, the AMA said clubs could not give cash prizes for amateur events. I guess they were worried about blurring the distinction between amateur and professional. Sounds ridiculous but maybe the AMA was worried about the rise of "professional" poker runners. ;-) North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 17:23:54 1996 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:23:47 PST Subject: Re: Memorial Service for Harry Morse Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) > WERA race director and MARRC founder Harry Morse passed away this past > weekend. Memorial services will be held at the Ives Pierrson (sp?) Funeral > Home in Arlington (2847 Wilson Blvd, near Filmore) I remember Harry and Judy from their days as president of PARR. As I remember they have three girls. What killed him? Where can I send a sympathy card to Judy? North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 21 19:06:57 1996 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark HOLM Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Commuting In-Reply-To: <1a0a91f0@ccmail.mi04.zds.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 May 1996, Bill Elwell wrote: > Unbelievable, I was just about to write an similar message. I would like > to ride the bike to work more often. I can't wear jeans/boots very often > though. What do the other commuters on the list do? Please post your > response to the list since there is more than one of us looking for > information. I keep a few sets of dress clothes (mostly skirts) at work. I often ride a bicycle as well as a motorcycle. Wherever your office keeps coats in the winter, that's the place to store your clothes now! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| We're all mad here. I'm mad and you're mad. jholm@XXXXXX | If you weren't mad, you wouldn't be here! holm@XXXXXX | - Lewis Carroll (approximately) l | DoD #1604 AMA #397939 1987 Virago 535 "Kate" | 1995 rec.moto "newbie of the year" UKMC# 00001 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 22 16:16:01 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 22 May 96 16:01:19 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Attention FZR400 riders Are there any out there listening? If so, I've got a friend who is interested in making some mods to his FZR400 and wants to know where would be a good place to start. I figured here is as good place as any. Any of you folks know? Thanks a ton, Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX <---new address "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." <---old sig. RZ-350, CB-1, RD400F <---older bikes From dc-cycles-request Wed May 22 19:11:03 1996 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:11:38 -0400 To: BWEINER@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Re: Attention FZR400 riders At 04:01 PM 5/22/96, BWEINER@XXXXXX wrote: >Are there any out there listening? If so, I've got a friend who is >interested in making some mods to his FZR400 and wants to know where would >be a good place to start. I figured here is as good place as any. Any of >you folks know? The best place to start is to determine what he wants the bike to be... better looking? more power, better handling? More expensive? rich From dc-cycles-request Wed May 22 21:14:43 1996 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <9604228328.AA832806079@uu2455.marasconewton.com> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.3) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Wed, 22 May 96 21:22:42 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Attention FZR400 riders For a street bike I would spend money in this order. Front fork springs $60 Pipe and header $350 Jet kit $80 Rear shock $400 Fresh up top end $1000 These will get you the most bang for the relative buck, IMHO. --- pierre From dc-cycles-request Wed May 22 22:41:22 1996 From: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:40:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Roaring Thunder or Rolling Thunder? I have never seen an RT. When is it, Where is it , and where is the best seat in the house to view it.? TIA Dallas Thomason From dc-cycles-request Wed May 22 23:04:24 1996 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:57:03 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Roaring Thunder or Rolling Thunder? To: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <960522224049_496795932@emout12.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 May 1996 THOMASONCO@XXXXXX wrote: > I have never seen an RT. When is it, Where is it , and where is the best > seat in the house to view it.? When:This Sunday,I'm not exactly sure of the time,but I think it starts around noonish. Where:Starts in North parking of the Pentagon,goes to the Vietnam Memorial. Best Place:Why,to ride in it,of course.Some guys from work are going with me if you're interested. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 23 06:41:59 1996 Date: Thu, 23 May 96 06:41:55 EDT X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: Attention FZR400 riders >For a street bike I would spend money in this order. > >Front fork springs $60 >Pipe and header $350 >Jet kit $80 >Rear shock $400 >Fresh up top end $1000 > >These will get you the most bang for the relative buck, IMHO. I don't have an FZR, but most sporty or sports bikes have decent power but poor suspension (except maybe some of the newest ones), so I would do things a little differently. The order of this list assumes you can't afford to do everything at once. The best tires you can afford, correct size for rim (not necessarily stock size) Front fork springs, fresh oil (probably heavier) Fox rear shock Lindemann fork rebuild or Race Tech Cartridge Emulators Stainless front brake line Jet with stock pipe -or- Pipe, jet, maybe intake mods (together) The FZR400 has more than adequate power (probably stronger than my Hawk on the top end) for the street (OK, I'd rather have a 900RR), but I'd be carefull about putting a pipe on it that might reduce the low and midrange, which are pretty week. Later, David Mackintosh '87 Integra RS, '96 Integra SE mackinto@XXXXXX '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 Germantown, MD, USA '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Thu May 23 15:26:32 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" , "Motolist" , "LD Rider" , "HSTA" Date: Thu, 23 May 96 15:34:23 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Ins. Inst. for Hwy Safety web page Here's the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety web page. They have some motorcycle-related stuff there, mostly about helmet use, helmet effectiveness, and helmet laws. http://www.hwysafety.org/ Chris Norloff P.S. I'll send this to a couple lists; apologies in advance for those who may get this more than once. cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS From dc-cycles-request Thu May 23 16:58:24 1996 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:04:53 -0400 X-Sender: naa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: naa@XXXXXX (Matt Farina) Subject: helmet advise My whole time riding I have always used a full-face helmet. Recently I borrowed a friend's shorty-style for an around-the-block ride on his bike and _really_ liked the open-air, unencumbered quality to it. I'm therefore considering buying a shorty-style too. First question is what do you do about eye protection? I suppose wrap-around sunglasses would work as long as it was sunny out, but not so good at night or when it's overcast. I've seen folks riding around with aviator-style goggles, but not sure if this would look really silly on a Honda Shadow. Suggestions? Second question is more directly safety-related. Anybody have hard evidence on whether shorty-style helmets are significantly less protective? I suppose I _am_ a little worried about having my chin and face hanging out. Would really appreciate some insight on this one. /// ---------------------------------------oo0(. .)-0oo-------------- Matt Farina (_) National Aeronautic Association naa@XXXXXX 2 + 2 = 5 for very large values of 2. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 23 17:30:34 1996 From: "skip farmer" Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:32:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: naa@ids2.idsonline.com (Matt Farina) "helmet advise" (May 23, 5:04pm) X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.1 10apr95 MediaMail) To: naa@XXXXXX (Matt Farina), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Eye protec (Re:helmet Advise) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't forget that some states have eye protection requirements and the regulations may be strictly enforced. Just keep an eye on that when you buy your eye protection to make sure that you don't end up with a $100 ticket because you weren't wearing the right shades. Skip '87 Suzuki GS450 On May 23, 5:04pm, Matt Farina wrote: > Subject: helmet advise > My whole time riding I have always used a full-face helmet. Recently I > borrowed a friend's shorty-style for an around-the-block ride on his bike > and _really_ liked the open-air, unencumbered quality to it. I'm therefore > considering buying a shorty-style too. > > First question is what do you do about eye protection? I suppose wrap-around > sunglasses would work as long as it was sunny out, but not so good at night > or when it's overcast. I've seen folks riding around with aviator-style > goggles, but not sure if this would look really silly on a Honda Shadow. > Suggestions? > > Second question is more directly safety-related. Anybody have hard evidence > on whether shorty-style helmets are significantly less protective? I suppose > I _am_ a little worried about having my chin and face hanging out. > > Would really appreciate some insight on this one. > > /// > ---------------------------------------oo0(. .)-0oo-------------- > Matt Farina (_) > National Aeronautic Association > naa@XXXXXX > > 2 + 2 = 5 for very large values of 2. > > >-- End of excerpt from Matt Farina From dc-cycles-request Thu May 23 23:06:07 1996 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 22:54:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: helmet advise To: Matt Farina cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199605232104.RAA16776@ids2.idsonline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Matt, Just MHO,but don't do it.I hit some gravel in an ess curve on my old V30 Magna and flipped it(day after I bought it,narf).I was wearing an open face helmet with a facesheild.When I rolled on the ground the facesheild got chewed up pretty bad.I was lucky my chin didn't get torn up.After that little experience I started wearing a full face. If I hadn't had a facesheild I wouldn't be near as good-looking as I am now.I would definitely recommend staying with a full face,or at the very least,a 3/4 with facesheild.I _might_ consider a 1/2 shell if I was only riding on base,buy there's no way I'd ride around DC with one. JMHO,YMMV,etc. Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Buell R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 GATB#1121 HSB#38DT "Most problems in life can be fixed with a chainsaw." Bill D. Cat "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson On Thu, 23 May 1996, Matt Farina wrote: > My whole time riding I have always used a full-face helmet. Recently I > borrowed a friend's shorty-style for an around-the-block ride on his bike > and _really_ liked the open-air, unencumbered quality to it. I'm therefore > considering buying a shorty-style too. > > First question is what do you do about eye protection? I suppose wrap-around > sunglasses would work as long as it was sunny out, but not so good at night > or when it's overcast. I've seen folks riding around with aviator-style > goggles, but not sure if this would look really silly on a Honda Shadow. > Suggestions? > > Second question is more directly safety-related. Anybody have hard evidence > on whether shorty-style helmets are significantly less protective? I suppose > I _am_ a little worried about having my chin and face hanging out. > > Would really appreciate some insight on this one. > > /// > ---------------------------------------oo0(. .)-0oo-------------- > Matt Farina (_) > National Aeronautic Association > naa@XXXXXX > > 2 + 2 = 5 for very large values of 2. > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 24 04:28:33 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04624; Fri, 24 May 1996 04:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA18674; Fri, 24 May 1996 04:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04774 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 24 May 1996 08:28:21 GMT Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 24 May 1996 08:28:21 GMT Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 24 May 1996 08:28:21 GMT Message-Id: <9605240827.AA05653@rootboy.interactive.visa.com> To: naa@XXXXXX (Matt Farina) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet advise In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 23 May 1996 17:04:53 -0400. <199605232104.RAA16776@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 04:27:43 -0400 From: Phil Kester On Thu, 23 May 1996 17:04:53 -0400 Matt Farina wrote: > Second question is more directly safety-related. Anybody have hard evidence > on whether shorty-style helmets are significantly less protective? I suppose > I _am_ a little worried about having my chin and face hanging out. Less protective in what sense? The degree of risk of impact injury to the brain is probably slightly (but tolerably) higher in an open face helmet. But, IMO, the risk of having your face chewed up by asphalt is surely way more significant. Just yesterday a friend was telling me about a spill he had in a shorty helmet. His upper lip was damn-near torn off. As an alternative, you could remove the face shield from a full-face and wear shades for day rides. I have an Arai Signet helmet, and it is relatively easy to remove/replace the face shield. It isn't *quite* the same thing, but hey, a nose graft is something I can do without. Phil From dc-cycles-request Fri May 24 07:43:18 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05443; Fri, 24 May 1996 07:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby.os2bbs.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23817; Fri, 24 May 1996 07:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.123.182.169] by quimby.os2bbs.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; id AA7695; Fri, 24 May 96 07:42:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9605241142.AA7695@quimby.os2bbs.com> From: "Chris Norloff" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "Matt Farina" Date: Fri, 24 May 96 07:51:15 +0600 Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: helmet advise >and _really_ liked the open-air, unencumbered quality to it. I'm therefore >considering buying a shorty-style too. > >First question is what do you do about eye protection? [...] >Second question is more directly safety-related. Anybody have hard evidence >on whether shorty-style helmets are significantly less protective? I suppose >I _am_ a little worried about having my chin and face hanging out. OSHA-approved eye protection (real safety glasses) are available in many styles. Your local motorcycle shop is probable a good choice, just make sure the glasses will do more than look good. ANSI 2 and VESC 8 are two standards that are approved for motorcylist eye-protection. Are shorty-helmets less protective? Well, yes and no. Since your face is uncovered there is more risk of facial injury. There is possibly less risk of brain injury from frontal impact due to the sinus cavities attenuating the impact. You won't look good but you'll live. An Australian study about 1989 identified full-face helmets as contributing to injury by transferring the impact load to the chin strap, and breaking the rider's neck. Shorty helmet users lived and healed. However, this study was based on such a small sample size (about 10 helmeted riders) that it is not valid. This didn't stop the anti-helmet crowd from adding it to their "helmets kill" mantra, of course. The famous Hurt report in 1980 identified that DOT minimal helmets (shorties) provided or would have provided the necessary protection to save the rider's life in 95% of the accidents they investigated (about 3,000 accidents). The bottom line is that all protecive equipment is a compromise. If you're not wearing race-weight leathers with full body armor, you're compromising. Most all of us do, of course, for some very practical reasons. I wear a Shoei Duotec (flip-front) helmet and will occasionally ride with the chin bar up. Lots of nice breeze (and bugs, etc) in my face. Very nice on very hot days. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS From dc-cycles-request Fri May 24 12:05:46 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07179; Fri, 24 May 1996 12:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03496; Fri, 24 May 1996 12:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA18437; Fri, 24 May 96 12:05:42 EDT Received: from BAYVIEW/SMTPQueue by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury 1.11); Fri, 24 May 96 9:06:53 PST Received: from Mailqueue by BAYVIEW (Mercury 1.11); Fri, 24 May 96 9:06:41 PST From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:06:35 PST Subject: Re: helmet advise Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <4A47AE278C@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > look good but you'll live. An Australian study about 1989 > identified full-face helmets as contributing to injury by > transferring the impact load to the chin strap, and breaking the > rider's neck. Shorty helmet users lived and healed. However, > this study was based on such a small sample size (about 10 > helmeted riders) that it is not valid. This didn't stop the > anti-helmet crowd from adding it to their "helmets kill" mantra, > of course. The Doctor who conducted the study just happens to hold a patent on a full-face helmet design that does not use a chin strap. Even with his study as "proof" of the design's superiority, he has nad a hard time selling his invention. Please pass the grain of salt. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 24 12:08:26 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07208; Fri, 24 May 1996 12:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03739; Fri, 24 May 1996 12:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA18700; Fri, 24 May 96 12:08:16 EDT Received: from BAYVIEW/SMTPQueue by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury 1.11); Fri, 24 May 96 9:09:28 PST Received: from Mailqueue by BAYVIEW (Mercury 1.11); Fri, 24 May 96 9:08:59 PST From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:08:56 PST Subject: Re: helmet advise Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <4A51864706@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > As an alternative, you could remove the face shield from a full-face > and wear shades for day rides. I have an Arai Signet helmet, and it is > relatively easy to remove/replace the face shield. It isn't *quite* > the same thing, but hey, a nose graft is something I can do without. My Shoei also has a faceshield that's easy to remove and install. It's so nice to choose between dark, clear, or no shield. It's a great feature. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 24 15:07:31 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10307; Fri, 24 May 1996 15:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psci.sas.upenn.edu by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27918; Fri, 24 May 1996 15:07:30 -0400 (EDT) From: sanjay@XXXXXX Received: from ssc (SSC.SAS.UPENN.EDU [130.91.92.118]) by psci.sas.upenn.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA47620 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 15:07:24 -0400 Received: by ssc id AA29255; Fri, 24 May 1996 15:07:24 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 15:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <9605241907.AA29255@ssc> Subject: tool choices: what do you suggest? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 15:07:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit while working on the bikes, there are many occasions when a spanner is absolutely neccessary. one can choose between using an adjustable one or getting individual pieces. at 7-9$ a shot, individual ones are getting expensive. i can probably get a adjustable one for 25$ or so and never have to worry about spanners, even if i buy a non-metric bike. i was wondering what some of the enlightened readers think about usig adjustable vs. fixed width spanners. ride safe sanjay p.s. will be using it in the 16-30 mm range for high torque items such as axles etc.. already have the smaller ones. -- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' Standard disclaimers apply. VT 700C 'nonameyet' From dc-cycles-request Fri May 24 17:01:34 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12502; Fri, 24 May 1996 17:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mis.mi04.zds.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16358; Fri, 24 May 1996 17:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccmail.mi04.zds.com (ccmail.zds.com) by mis.mi04.zds.com with SMTP (5.65c/051995-1) id AA28576; Fri, 24 May 96 16:54:50 EDT Received-Date: Fri, 24 May 96 16:54:50 EDT Received: from ccMail by ccmail.mi04.zds.com (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 1a621b70; Fri, 24 May 96 16:53:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:17:31 -0400 Message-Id: <1a621b70@ccmail.mi04.zds.com> From: B.Elwell@XXXXXX (Bill Elwell) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tool choices: what do you suggest? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.091179238" --IMA.Boundary.091179238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Don't even think about using an adjustable for high torque! If you are working with axles and such, you should be using sockets with a torque wrench. If you can't get a socket into the spot you are working on, use a crows foot on the torque wrench. Unless you have quite a bit of experience at turning wrenches, you won't be able to accurately arrive at the correct torque value by using the seat of your pants. Seems to me that if you are doing your own work, you ought to do it correctly. Who cares if you save some money if you break off a stud (too much torque) or drop a wheel (too little torque). Buck-up. Go and buy a kit. Don't buy the individual pieces. Piece by piece, you will spend 4 or 5 times as much money. Just my thoughts, Bill Elwell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: tool choices: what do you suggest? Author: sanjay@XXXXXX at INTERNET Date: 5/24/96 3:07 PM while working on the bikes, there are many occasions when a spanner is absolutely neccessary. one can choose between using an adjustable one or getting individual pieces. at 7-9$ a shot, individual ones are getting expensive. i can probably get a adjustable one for 25$ or so and never have to worry about spanners, even if i buy a non-metric bike. i was wondering what some of the enlightened readers think about usig adjustable vs. fixed width spanners. ride safe sanjay p.s. will be using it in the 16-30 mm range for high torque items such as axles etc.. already have the smaller ones. -- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' Standard disclaimers apply. VT 700C 'nonameyet' --IMA.Boundary.091179238-- From dc-cycles-request Fri May 24 20:10:14 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13469; Fri, 24 May 1996 20:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from svcs1.digex.net by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22900; Fri, 24 May 1996 20:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.181.17.188] (dyn000442.belt.digex.net [206.181.17.188]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00992; Fri, 24 May 1996 20:10:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 20:10:08 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: list-proc@XXXXXX From: coresys@XXXXXX (Mike Hartley) Subject: unsubscribe Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX unsubscribe dc cycles from, Mike Hartley From dc-cycles-request Fri May 24 23:03:45 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14335; Fri, 24 May 1996 23:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.uspto.gov by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27984; Fri, 24 May 1996 23:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pioneer.uspto.gov (pioneer.uspto.gov [151.207.128.1]) by mailgate.uspto.gov (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23920; Fri, 24 May 1996 23:04:15 -0400 Received: (from doneill@localhost) by pioneer.uspto.gov (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA21767; Fri, 24 May 1996 23:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 23:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "David O'Neill" To: sanjay@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tool choices: what do you suggest? In-Reply-To: <9605241907.AA29255@ssc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't worry about the spanners, worry about the magnetic pickup tool. Dave Gtown. On Fri, 24 May 1996 sanjay@XXXXXX wrote: > > > while working on the bikes, there are many occasions when > a spanner is absolutely neccessary. > > one can choose between using an adjustable one or getting > individual pieces. at 7-9$ a shot, individual ones are getting > expensive. i can probably get a adjustable one for 25$ > or so and never have to worry about spanners, even if i buy > a non-metric bike. > > i was wondering what some of the enlightened readers think > about usig adjustable vs. fixed width spanners. > > ride safe > sanjay > > p.s. will be using it in the 16-30 mm range for high torque > items such as axles etc.. already have the smaller ones. > > > -- > Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. > DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. > CB 650 'The Cow' Standard disclaimers apply. > VT 700C 'nonameyet' > From dc-cycles-request Sat May 25 03:32:42 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA15414; Sat, 25 May 1996 03:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lamp0.arl.army.mil by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA05785; Sat, 25 May 1996 03:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lamp0.arl.army.mil (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA09156; Sat, 25 May 1996 03:32:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 03:32:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman X-Sender: morris@lamp0 Reply-To: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Cc: Conrad Jacoby Subject: Brake Sage Advice Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Topic One: I had asked some Q's about Brake Master Cylinders a few weeks ago and got some good respoinse, but my brakes still aren't working quite right. So any advice that anyone might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated. The symptoms are that I can pull the brake lever just about to the grip, futher than I had been able to pull it prior to the winter. I have done the following: 1. Rebuilt master cylinder (new rubber/piston). There is a tiny roughness in the master cylinder, but it appears to be beyond the range of motion of the piston. 2. Bled the lines, after doing number 1. 3. Set the piston all the way back into the caliper and then rebled the lines some more. At this point I noticed that the pads were nearing the end of their useful life (but there was still some groove left in the middle) 4. Inspected for leaks...found none. 5. Inspected the lines for bulges when pressurized...Found none. 6. Run out of ideas...hence this message. Is there any net.wisdom that could help me determine what component might be causing the problem? Something specific to look for. Typical causes for this type of problem. A typical problem that is difficult to inspect for and you must look for something specific or hard to find. A good local shop that might be able to help to diagnose the problem (I'm a pretty decent wrence and can handle most things...especially when I know what the problem is.). Any help is GREATLY appreciated, thank you in advance. Topic Two: Anyone going to RCR from the Silver Spring/I-495/I-270 Area Looking for a possible riding partner? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX, http://www.glue.umd.edu/~morris/ MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee Yamaha XJ550M [Yorick] (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- From dc-cycles-request Sat May 25 08:26:16 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16600; Sat, 25 May 1996 08:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby.os2bbs.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12670; Sat, 25 May 1996 08:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csn.os2bbs.com by quimby.os2bbs.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; id AA1357; Sat, 25 May 96 08:25:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9605251225.AA1357@quimby.os2bbs.com> Date: Sat, 25 May 96 07:26:41 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) Reply-To: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: tool choices: what do you suggest? >while working on the bikes, there are many occasions when >a spanner is absolutely neccessary. > >one can choose between using an adjustable one or getting >individual pieces. at 7-9$ a shot, individual ones are getting >expensive. i can probably get a adjustable one for 25$ >or so and never have to worry about spanners, even if i buy >a non-metric bike. > >i was wondering what some of the enlightened readers think >about usig adjustable vs. fixed width spanners. Fixed wrenches / spanners are the only way to go. Adjustable are too big, and more easily round off the nuts and bolt heads. A set of sockets is also very nice. good tools cost money, good bikes cost more, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Sat May 25 08:33:44 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16639; Sat, 25 May 1996 08:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby.os2bbs.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12913; Sat, 25 May 1996 08:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csn.os2bbs.com by quimby.os2bbs.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; id AA1367; Sat, 25 May 96 08:32:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9605251232.AA1367@quimby.os2bbs.com> Date: Sat, 25 May 96 07:34:08 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) Reply-To: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Brake Sage Advice >I had asked some Q's about Brake Master Cylinders a few weeks ago and got >some good respoinse, but my brakes still aren't working quite right. So >any advice that anyone might be able to provide would be greatly >appreciated. The symptoms are that I can pull the brake lever just about >to the grip, futher than I had been able to pull it prior to the winter. I can pull my brake lever back that far, but since the front wheel locks a long time before that, it doesn't bother me. It sounds like you may still have some air in the lines. The best way I've found to remove all the air is to bleed the brakes every day for several days (perhaps tapping all the lines and fittings to get the air bubbles loose), or emptying the brake system and filling it from the bottom with a pump (or large hypodermic). with the master cylinder open, filling from the bottom allows all the air to rush out the top. We usually fill from the top and bleed from the bottom -- which is opposite to the way the liquid and the air would rather move. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Sat May 25 18:13:21 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00682; Sat, 25 May 1996 18:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04123; Sat, 25 May 1996 18:13:20 -0400 (EDT) From: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA16782 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 25 May 1996 18:12:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 18:12:49 -0400 Message-ID: <960525181248_120940036@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rolling Thunder - Would any one know the time and route of RT on Sunday the 26Th. TIA Dallas Thomason From dc-cycles-request Sun May 26 17:32:14 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09899; Sun, 26 May 1996 17:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.nmaa.org by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14513; Sun, 26 May 1996 17:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp24.nmaa.org ([204.91.49.24]) by mail.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA209 for ; Sun, 26 May 1996 17:34:20 -0400 Message-ID: <31A8F798.1FF3@nmaa.org> Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 17:30:16 -0700 From: lucas.m@XXXXXX (Mark Lucas) Organization: National Multimedia Association of America X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: helmet advise References: <199605232104.RAA16776@ids2.idsonline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before you go buy a shorty helmet, put one on, get that chin strap good and snug, then reach to the back of the helmet and pull forward. My MSF Instructor did this in class, the helmet comes right off. That should give you some idea of just how safe one of those things are. By the way, the only reason Police Departments use them is public image - most people are intimidated enough by police, a full face would only intimidate them more. Many Police Depts. are switching to the 3/4 helmets, which offer significantly more protection but still give you that "open" feeling. Obviously, the decision is up to you, only my $.02 worth. -- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@XXXXXX / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== From dc-cycles-request Mon May 27 10:45:00 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21828; Mon, 27 May 1996 10:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15469; Mon, 27 May 1996 10:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA09476; Mon, 27 May 96 10:44:55 EDT Received: from BAYVIEW/SMTPQueue by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury 1.11); Mon, 27 May 96 7:46:53 PST Received: from Mailqueue by BAYVIEW (Mercury 1.11); Mon, 27 May 96 7:46:29 PST From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 07:46:20 PST Subject: Re: helmet advise Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <90F38A1A60@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > By the way, the only reason Police Departments use them is public image - > most people are intimidated enough by police, a full face would only > intimidate them more. Many Police Depts. are switching to the 3/4 > helmets, which offer significantly more protection but still give you > that "open" feeling. I read that the California Highway Patrol recently allowed its officers to choose any style of helmet they want. All but one opted for a full face helmet. The officer quoted in the article does not thik the helmet interferes with his ability to communicate with the public; he takes it off before talking. Interesting that the guys and gals who investigate accidents choose full-face over any other helmet. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 27 20:33:18 1996 Received: from nemo.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25749; Mon, 27 May 1996 20:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nemo.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16252; Tue, 28 May 1996 00:33:17 GMT Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 00:33:17 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) Message-Id: <199605280033.AAA16252@nemo.cs.UMD.EDU> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FINAL Call for Checks for RCR-V I'm sending this (for the last time, I promise :-) to various mailing lists up and down the east coast, as well as to rec.moto. Sorry if you're receiving this more than once. ...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V...RCR-V... **FINAL** Call for Checks for the 5th Annual Right Coast Ride (RCR-V). Please have your registration materials in to me NO LATER THAN 6 June 1996. This will allow me time to finalize arrangements with the caterer, beer distributor and others who are putting together the details for the event. The Right Coast Ride started in 1992 when a Denizen (#0111), recently transplanted to the east coast, noted a lack of a major gather such as the UniCoastal IronHorse Joust in California or the Ride 'n Feed in Colorado. Seeking to remedy the situation, he created the Right Coast Ride. There were about thirty attendees at this first RCR (or RCR-I as it came to be known), and due to its raging popularity has become an annual event ever since. Last year's event drew over 90 participants. Once a year, Denizens and other motorcycling inhabitants of the 'Net on the North American east coast have crawled from behind their terminals to meet one another face-to-face. This is the fifth such installment of the RCR. Here are the particulars for this year's edition: Date: Friday, June 21st (noon) to Sunday, June 23rd (noon) Place: Camp West Mar, in Thurmont Maryland (near Frederick) Price: $25.00 per person. (but read on) Included: * bunkhouse lodging for two nights (Friday and Saturday) for the first 120 or so of us. Camping is the same price. If we run out of bunkhouse space, you'll have to camp. (I tend to doubt this happening. If we fill the bunkhouses and you don't want to camp, I'll return your money.) * Dinner Saturday night (1.5 hours catered buffet). Buffet will feature fried chicken and barbeque pork. Vegetarian meals will be available on ADVANCE REQUEST only. Non-alcoholic beverages provided for dinner and the Saturday night party are an assortment of sodas, Snapple, etc. * Coffee/tea/juice service Saturday and Sunday mornings. We will also lay in a stock of donuts and bagels for Saturday morning. There will likely be day-old's on Sunday morning for the brave and/or famished. Beer will be supplied at $10.00 per person for Saturday night. If expenses go better than expected, there may be some beer and soda for Friday night as well, but don't count on it. You might want to BYOB for Friday night. Beers to be supplied are the typically snooty variety preferred by the usual crowd in attendance: Pilsner Urquel, Newcastle Brown, Wild Goose, Pete's Wicked, Sierra Nevada, Dinkel Acker, etc. Your $10 will be well spent! Some things you may want to bring: * Towels, toiletries: I plan to stock the bath houses with soap, toilet paper and paper towels. Everything else is up to you. * Bed "linens" (sleeping bag, sheets and blanket, whatever) and a pillow. The bunk beds have vinyl covers on the mattresses so something to lay on would be a good idea. * Swimsuit. There is a pool at the camp, and if weather/interest/finance warrants we can hire it for the weekend as well. Note that there will not be a hired lifeguard, and I'm rather inclined to close it once the beer starts to flow. To allow us to use the camp I HAVE to have a release form signed by ALL attendees. I'm adding some extra information to it that you may fill in for emergencies. This idea came to us at the Spring Fling a couple years ago when there was an accident. Hopefully we won't need it, and I promise not to give or use this information for any other reason. I will also destroy this information after the RCR. So if you want to attend, print the following form, fill it out, write a check and send it all to: Bill Leavitt 2206 Larchmont Drive Fallston, Maryland 21047-1610 I will acknowledge receipt of each form that contains a valid email address. I'll ask for phone numbers but won't use them unless absolutely necessary. There is an official email list for the RCR. If you plan to attend, I very strongly encourage you to subscribe to keep abreast of the latest news, verify directions to the camp, etc. The list's name is EAST, and to subscribe send email to with the following in the message body: SUBSCRIBE EAST your name My email address is . Please direct any other questions to this address. +++++++++++++++++++++++ cut here and print +++++++++++++++++++++++ MANDATORY section - all this information must be supplied. Name: ____________________________________________________________ Address: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ (Optional) phone numbers: ___________________ ___________________ Internet EMAIL address: ____________________________ Lodging Preference: Bunkhouses ______ Camping ______ (planning purposes only) Number of attendees desiring a vegetarian meal Saturday: _______ (The vegetarian meal is a vegetable lasagna and MUST be ordered in advance) Number of attendees: _________ X $25.00 = $__________ Number of attendees drinking beer: _______ X $10.00 = $__________ Amount enclosed: $__________ (Canadian attendees, et al, please make these in US Funds only) RELEASE FORM: Camp West Mar will not be responsible for any accidents happening to any person or persons of the rental groups. We, the undersigned, hereby agree to adhere to all the rules and regulations regarding the use of Camp West Mar. Signatures of attendees: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Send to: Bill Leavitt 2206 Larchmont Drive Fallston, MD 21047-1610 ++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++ OPTIONAL SECTION: In case of emergency contact:_________________________________________________ name _________________________________________________ Phone number _________________________________________________ name _________________________________________________ Phone number I'll leave it up to you to decide if there are any other things you'd like to add that usually accompany "emergency" forms. Again, this information will go nowhere else. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #0224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C KAW: 72 H2 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 75 RE5, 75 RE5, 73 GT380 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Tue May 28 10:30:26 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00361; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26190; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18634; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:30:24 -0400 Received: from tgate1 (tgate1.mitre.org [128.29.154.210]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id KAA28738; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:20:04 -0400 Received: from mail03.mitre.org (128.29.250.2) by tgate1.mitre.org (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.60) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:18:11 -0400 Received: by mail03.mitre.org; (5.65 EXP 2/15/95/1.1.8.2/22Jun94-0628PM) id AA09020; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:20:03 -0400 Subject: Short-timer From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) To: sbl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <960528102001.24275@mail03.mitre.org.0> Date: Tue, 28 May 96 10:20:02 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A-2 Well folks, I'm gonna have to say goodbye for now. I'm changing jobs , and I have no idea when I'll have email back. Right now, they have no office space for me and the other guy they hired. They mentioned something about sharing the conference room... I don't know when I'll get a computer yet, so it may be a few weeks, or it may be a month before I get email back. I'll check in when I do get it. I'll be at this address till thursday, when they cut my email here. OB Moto: I'll be working at the same company as my boyfriend, so we'll be able to 'moto-pool' on his 'Wing. They get a kick out of him showing up for work in leathers. (He keeps threatening to show up at the client's site in leathers, if they keep making him go there. ) Now there'll be two of us! Catch-ya later! Caron Rose 87 Candy Apple Red 450 Rebel Virginia - CANDY8 (ate what?) From dc-cycles-request Tue May 28 10:43:44 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00477; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26862; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18950; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:43:42 -0400 Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id HAA29811; Tue, 28 May 1996 07:43:40 -0700 Received: from sundc.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA04806; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:43:36 -0400 Received: from opal.East.Sun.COM by sundc.East.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.3-900117) id AA27965; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:43:33 +0500 Received: from pinmaster.East.Sun.COM by opal.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03019; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:32:44 -0400 Received: by pinmaster.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA18873; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:43:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 10:43:57 -0400 From: jbaum@XXXXXX (Jeff Baum - SSE Sun Vienna Va.) Message-Id: <199605281443.KAA18873@pinmaster.East.Sun.COM> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For Sale: XJ650 Maxim X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII All, I have an 82 Yamaha XJ650 Maxim that I would like to sell. It has 12k miles an is in great shape. I'm asking $850. If you're interested I can be reached at the following numbers. Work 703-204-4269 Home 703-742-6873 email jeff.baum@XXXXXX Thanks! --- Jeff Baum From dc-cycles-request Tue May 28 11:43:31 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00968; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29364; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20226; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:43:25 -0400 Received: from 13n240-ti4000 ([156.40.170.10]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17217 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:42:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:42:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199605281542.LAA17217@server1.illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Classics for sale I heard of a couple of classic bikes for sale. A '64 Royal Enfield 350cc single and a '42 BSA 350cc single. I haven't seen them, but heard that they are both in very good condition and that he wants $10,000 for both. Contact Joe Coyle at (703) 369-5084 for more info. Leon. mrider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 76Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 16Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Tue May 28 11:46:51 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00982; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29618; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20276; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:46:49 -0400 From: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from 13n240-ti4000 ([156.40.170.10]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17177; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:40:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:40:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199605281540.LAA17177@server1.illuminet.net> From dc-cycles-request Tue May 28 12:22:34 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01250; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01051; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip226.idsonline.com (ip226.idsonline.com [204.157.204.226]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27959 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:29:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:29:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199605281629.MAA27959@ids2.idsonline.com> X-Sender: naa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: naa@XXXXXX (Matt Farina) Subject: bike wanted Friend of mine is looking for a clean cruiser -- Shadow, Magna, like that -- 500-750cc. for general weekend riding. Willing to spend $4k, up to $6k for really primo machine. Request dc-cycles keep their collective radar up and advise if you see anything promising. thanks, /// ---------------------------------------oo0(. .)-0oo-------------- Matt Farina (_) National Aeronautic Association naa@XXXXXX 2 + 2 = 5 for very large values of 2. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 28 18:13:49 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06050; Tue, 28 May 1996 18:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28001; Tue, 28 May 1996 18:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from periplum.cdinet.com by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29776; Tue, 28 May 1996 18:13:46 -0400 Received: from [198.77.80.38] (icarus.cdinet.com.80.77.198.in-addr.arpa [198.77.80.38]) by periplum.cdinet.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA12399; Tue, 28 May 1996 18:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605282215.SAA12399@periplum.cdinet.com> Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 18:15:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) Subject: desperately seeking a YZF Cc: marke@XXXXXX My boyfriend -- oops! -- fiance is looking for a YZF 600 for around $5k. Cosmetics not important as long as all the running gear is in order. Would consider a racebike that could be returned to more or less stock condition without too much trouble. Bonus points if it's been spray-painted matte black (will save him the trouble). If you have any leads, please email them to him at: marke@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed May 29 16:32:13 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16866; Wed, 29 May 1996 16:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26772; Wed, 29 May 1996 16:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.161.65.74] (richwest.cais.com [206.161.65.74]) by cais.cais.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA15385 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 16:32:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:32:08 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: richwest@XXXXXX (Rich Westbrook) Subject: Intercom Systems My girlfriend has been complaining that she cannot yell at me while she is riding on the back of my motorcycle. Personally I like the moments of quiet we have together :-). Does anyone have experience with intercom systems. I have a Honda VFR and we both have full face helmets. I'am really worried about the wind noise. I have heard that some systems are real crap at highway speeds. Does anyone have any reccomondations? Thanks Rich Westbrook From dc-cycles-request Wed May 29 17:01:02 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17292; Wed, 29 May 1996 17:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29330; Wed, 29 May 1996 17:01:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Hal@XXXXXX Received: by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA06638; Wed, 29 May 1996 17:00:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:00:29 -0400 Message-ID: <960529170027_313235752@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: richwest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Hal@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Intercom Systems Autocom if you can spend the $. A dude on the BMW mailing list just reviewed it for it...awesome. It hasa wind noise sensor that adjusts the volume for you at speed. He was very impressed. Hal McCabe 95 BMW R1100GSA From dc-cycles-request Wed May 29 18:15:34 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19078; Wed, 29 May 1996 18:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12466; Wed, 29 May 1996 18:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from niccolo.gsfc.nasa.gov by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24652; Wed, 29 May 1996 18:15:31 -0400 Received: by niccolo.gsfc.nasa.gov (4.1/1.34) id AA09264; Wed, 29 May 96 18:19:54 EDT Date: Wed, 29 May 96 18:19:54 EDT From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) Message-Id: <9605292219.AA09264@niccolo.gsfc.nasa.gov> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Intercom Systems richwest@XXXXXX (Rich Westbrook) sayz: * * My girlfriend has been complaining that she cannot yell at me while she is * riding on the back of my motorcycle. Personally I like the moments of * quiet we have together :-). Does anyone have experience with intercom * systems. I have a Honda VFR and we both have full face helmets. I'am * really worried about the wind noise. I have heard that some systems are * real crap at highway speeds. Does anyone have any reccomondations? * NADY's garbage, from what I hear. ChatterBox! works fine for me. But, since you've got full-face lids, wind noise shouldn`t be much of a problem. The 3/4 and shorty lids expose the mic, allowing any wind in your face to interfere with you voice. Better yet, don't get anything, save your $$$ and enjoy the quiet! :) L8r, P8r. payter@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request Thu May 30 01:44:44 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22395; Thu, 30 May 1996 01:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00754; Thu, 30 May 1996 01:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (leader@localhost) by marlin.ssnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA00634; Thu, 30 May 1996 01:43:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 01:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: my own worst nightmare To: Rich Westbrook cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Intercom Systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 29 May 1996, Rich Westbrook wrote: > My girlfriend has been complaining that she cannot yell at me while she is > riding on the back of my motorcycle. Personally I like the moments of > quiet we have together :-). Does anyone have experience with intercom > systems. I have a Honda VFR and we both have full face helmets. I'am > really worried about the wind noise. I have heard that some systems are > real crap at highway speeds. Does anyone have any reccomondations? yes - the HJC chatterbox system - they make it for in-between-bike use, and for just in-between-rider-on-same-bike use :) retail is about $90 for the latter, much more ($225?) for the former... just decide which you need, and go that way - they have voice activation that is not easily affected by wind noise, and are high quality units... if you need more info, let me know, i work in a parts dept and kinda get paid to know about such things ;) seth From dc-cycles-request Thu May 30 08:20:14 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24372; Thu, 30 May 1996 08:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daffy.bgcc.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01556; Thu, 30 May 1996 08:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cherylg.bgcc.com (binky.bgcc.com [204.255.12.22]) by daffy.bgcc.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA12089; Thu, 30 May 1996 08:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605301200.IAA12089@daffy.bgcc.com> X-Sender: cherylg@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: my own worst nightmare From: cherylg Subject: Re: Intercom Systems Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX hey, seth! do they work even slightly ok with shorty style open face helmets?? Im riding on my OWN bike now, behind my hubby, and I definitely need to be able to talk to him sometimes. You know, like "HEY! YOU! slow down, I cant keep up!" or "Well, how about a TURN signal next time, so Ill know which way we're going!" or "Hey! That looks like a great place to stop and walk around for a while!" (when my butt's a little sore, right?) Or how about "hahahaha, this is great! You just made a wrong turn!! and you say YOU'RE the one that knows how to read a map!! hahahaha " I really, really need to be able to bitc...er..talk to him sometimes when we're riding. Think they'll work????? >yes - the HJC chatterbox system - they make it for in-between-bike use, >and for just in-between-rider-on-same-bike use :) >retail is about $90 for the latter, much more ($225?) for the former... >just decide which you need, and go that way - they have voice activation >that is not easily affected by wind noise, and are high quality units... >if you need more info, let me know, i work in a parts dept and kinda get >paid to know about such things ;) >seth > > > > __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) cherylg@XXXXXX http://www.bgcc.com/~cherylg/pat3.html Diplomacy - the art of letting someone have your way. '96 red HD Hugger "lil grape" '87 rebel cmx250c (no, it's NOT a toy!... vroom vroom!) If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me. The opinions expressed here are MINE and ONLY mine, but since Im NEVER wrong, they MUST be right!! From dc-cycles-request Thu May 30 09:02:25 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24619; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02969; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07068; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:02:22 -0400 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA05201; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:02:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:02:22 -0400 Message-ID: <960530090221_1073751485@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: payter@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Intercom Systems In a message dated 96-05-29 18:31:50 EDT, payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) writes: << Better yet, don't get anything, save your $$$ and enjoy the quiet! :) >> Amen. Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu May 30 09:08:43 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24664; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw3.att.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03432; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrncgate.UUCP by ig4.att.att.com id AA06461; Thu, 30 May 96 09:00:09 EDT From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Date: 30 May 96 09:07:00 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" Received: from hrncgate by hrfocus; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:08 EDT Received: from hrncgate by hrncgate; Thu, 30 May 96 09:06 EDT Received: by hrncgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AD9D66@hrncgate>; Thu May 30 09:06 EDT 1996 Original-From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Original-To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Cheryl G.'" Subject: RE: Intercom Systems Original-Date: Thu May 30 09:07 EDT 1996 Message-Id: <31AD9D66@hrncgate> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text >do they work even slightly ok with shorty style open face helmets?? Im >riding on my OWN bike now, behind my hubby, and I definitely need to be able >to talk to him sometimes. You know, like "HEY! YOU! slow down, I cant keep >up!" or "Well, how about a TURN signal next time, so Ill know which way >we're going!" or "Hey! That looks like a great place to stop and walk around >for a while!" (when my butt's a little sore, right?) Or how about "hahahaha, >this is great! You just made a wrong turn!! and you say YOU'RE the one that >knows how to read a map!! hahahaha " I really, really need to be able to >bitc...er..talk to him sometimes when we're riding. Think they'll work????? This is exactly why I wouldn't dare use one of these!!! In your husbands case, Cheryl, I'd recommend Duck Tape.......... Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // klhawkins@XXXXXX '95 900CR (Desmo) // '93 GTS1000 (RADD Boy) From dc-cycles-request Thu May 30 13:14:29 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27187; Thu, 30 May 1996 13:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14428; Thu, 30 May 1996 13:14:27 -0400 (EDT) From: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA04920 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 30 May 1996 13:13:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:13:57 -0400 Message-ID: <960530131357_123998477@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Intercom Systems > >This is exactly why I wouldn't dare use one of these!!! In your >husbands case, Cheryl, I'd recommend Duck Tape.......... > Cherly, we all had a chuckle at the above. However, many of us males long for our significant other to participate in any kind of a ride. Dallas Thomason From dc-cycles-request Thu May 30 13:43:37 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27439; Thu, 30 May 1996 13:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby.os2bbs.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15790; Thu, 30 May 1996 13:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.123.182.169] by quimby.os2bbs.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; id AA2280; Thu, 30 May 96 13:43:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9605301743.AA2280@quimby.os2bbs.com> From: "Chris Norloff" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 30 May 96 13:51:52 +0600 Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Intercom Systems >My girlfriend has been complaining that she cannot yell at me while she is >riding on the back of my motorcycle. Personally I like the moments of >quiet we have together :-). Does anyone have experience with intercom >systems. I have a Honda VFR and we both have full face helmets. I'am >really worried about the wind noise. I have heard that some systems are >real crap at highway speeds. Does anyone have any reccomondations? I've used the Maxon intercom/radio systems for about 10 years and have been happy with them (the basic unit clips to your belt, and the mike and speaker fasten inside your helmet. They use the 5 FM channels used by little radios like these, older cordless phones, and baby monitors). They are definitely worth the money, however they ARE marginal systems -- they can get drowned out by wind noise, they pick up electrical interference from overhead power wires, and they pick up baby monitors and cordless phone calls. (This offers some entertainment value, when you hear a baby cry, holler into the mike "Get in here and check on this baby!") But for $70-80 each (in hunting & fishing catalogs, more in bike catalogs), they're worth it. They have all 5 channels so you can find the clear one. They have both a remote push-to-talk switch and a voice-actuated capability. They also have a plug-in for a second headset, so your passenger can talk over the wire, or the passenger can carry their own radio and talk to you that way. I prefer not having the radio attached to the helmet (like the Chatterbox), but it would be handier not having the radio separate and falling out of the helmet when I park the bike. To make them work I've found: 1. Always use fresh batteries; a new set every day. I don't use rechargable batteries since they don't deliver full voltage (a nominal 1.5 volt rechargeable NiCad charges to only about 1.35 volts) For frequent use, consider a 12-volt converter from Radio Shack and power the intercom/radio from the bike. 2. Don't bother unless you have a full-face helmet -- there's just too much wind noise otherwise. 3. Don't try to use the voice-actuated capability at speeds over 50 mph -- use the remote push-to-talk switch. Stray wind blasts will turn on the transmitter, irritating you and the people listening to your wind noise. 4. Don't expect to use the radios at speeds over about 60-65 mph. This depends on the wind noise of your helmet and windscreen. 5. Don't expect to get an effective range of more than a few hundred feet. With the wind and road noise, I get a usable range of 100 to 200 feet. Up to 300 feet if not moving. The best? Probably an integrated J&M-like setup. They cost A LOT, but they perform better than these units. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS From dc-cycles-request Thu May 30 14:01:37 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27602; Thu, 30 May 1996 14:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mis.mi04.zds.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16782; Thu, 30 May 1996 14:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccmail.mi04.zds.com (ccmail.zds.com) by mis.mi04.zds.com with SMTP (5.65c/051995-1) id AA23497; Thu, 30 May 96 13:54:34 EDT Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 96 13:54:34 EDT Received: from ccMail by ccmail.mi04.zds.com (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 1ade08e0; Thu, 30 May 96 13:53:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:02:37 -0400 Message-Id: <1ade08e0@ccmail.mi04.zds.com> From: B.Elwell@XXXXXX (Bill Elwell) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Intercom Systems Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.897874338" --IMA.Boundary.897874338 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >> >>This is exactly why I wouldn't dare use one of these!!! In your >>husbands case, Cheryl, I'd recommend Duck Tape.......... >> > >Cherly, we all had a chuckle at the above. However, many of us males long for >our significant other to participate in any kind of a ride. > >Dallas Thomason There are two or three different people who are regular passengers on my bike. I have always wanted to give them little warnings. A simple "hold on" when approaching a sharper than normal turn or sudden stop will keep the passenger from being surprised. There is one woman who rides with me who claims to be "so relaxed" that she starts to fall asleep. Scared the do-do out of me the first time I heard that! I would really like to talk to her as we ride. In either case, both my passenger and I will be more comfortable being able to easily communicate. Along these lines, my wonderful wife just bought me a Chatterbox and an extra headset for her helmet. I will let you know how things go. Bill Elwell --IMA.Boundary.897874338-- From dc-cycles-request Thu May 30 16:01:30 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00148; Thu, 30 May 1996 16:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05819; Thu, 30 May 1996 16:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18315; Thu, 30 May 1996 16:01:27 -0400 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA16170 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 30 May 1996 16:01:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 16:01:27 -0400 Message-ID: <960530160125_1107308932@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Nighthawk for sale A friend of mine has the following bike for sale. It is in excellent condition; a like-new bike for $1500. Owners name is Mike Fultz. 1983 Honda CB550 Nighthawk. 4000 original miles, original owner, garage kept, never crashed, never been in the rain. Still in showroom condition. New tires on it in 1995. $1500 with helmet 703-758-0651. Steve From dc-cycles-request Fri May 31 12:25:40 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10158; Fri, 31 May 1996 12:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02266; Fri, 31 May 1996 12:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lassie.intelsol.com by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08423; Fri, 31 May 1996 12:25:37 -0400 From: steveb@XXXXXX Received: by lassie.intelsol.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA59614; Fri, 31 May 1996 12:17:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:17:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9605311617.AA59614@lassie.intelsol.com> To: 103126.2533@XXXXXX, acoope00@XXXXXX, b.elwell@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, cpmj69a@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, davidw@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hdwarp80@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, jnelson@XXXXXX, jrd1@XXXXXX, loupil@XXXXXX, names@XXXXXX, rfraer@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, us001471@XXXXXX, vzo1@XXXXXX, walt@XXXXXX, weinstej@XXXXXX, wjm1@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, wweiss@XXXXXX Subject: Hill Climb This is very short notice. So I will not be suprised if no one responds. But for those of you who check your mail obsessivly and have nothing to do this sunday 6-2-96, you might want to condiser going to the Nat'l Professional Hill Climb sponsored by the White Rose Motorcycle Club in Jefferson PA. This is a very cool event and worth the ride. It's about 100 miles from Washington DC. I intend to leave Sunday morning somewhere around 9 to 10 oclock. If anyone is interested in riding up with me, you can reach me by emailing back to me or you can call me at work at 703-538-3532 until 5 pm. Or you can call me at home 703-941-9264 anytime after 5:30 pm friday. If I get any responses, I'll decide on a place to meet Sunday morning and we can take it from there. I look forward to hearing from some of you. And if you could, please resend this message to others you know. I have an incomplete list of people in the CAMS, and some of them won't get this message. I don't want them to feel left out. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri May 31 14:47:02 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by tove.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11470; Fri, 31 May 1996 14:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from igate1.hac.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08601; Fri, 31 May 1996 14:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EDEN1.HAC.COM by igate1.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26194; Fri, 31 May 96 11:44:01 PDT Received: from eos.hitc.com by EDEN1.HAC.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #5884) id <01I5CRSEIW74000KS0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 31 May 1996 11:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from yamato (yamato.HITC.COM) by eos.hitc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19075; Fri, 31 May 96 14:41:39 EDT Received: by yamato (5.x) id AA02090; Fri, 31 May 1996 14:40:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:40:51 -0400 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Bike Trip West To: BDC Refugee List Cc: Yazz , Chad Westphal , Chris Herron , Chris Kraenzle , Christy , "D'L'Aire" , DC Cycles , Deb McIntire , EJ , Echele , Eileen Fox , Jan Griffith , Janet , Jannelle Richardson , Jean Schutty , Jean-Claude , Jeff Temple , Jess , Joe Coughlin <76352.1072@XXXXXX>, Julia Holm , Kathy Denise Norris , Kelly Myers , Massoud <0003827563@XXXXXX>, Paul Brannigan , Roberta DiPasquale , Roberta Long , Viki Grubic Message-Id: <9605311440.ZM2088@yamato.HITC.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Well, folks, tomorrow's the big day. I am heading out at about 7AM on my motorcycle trip to Colorado. Well, the *plan* is to leave at 7AM. We'll see if I have actually finished packing by then. The intinerary is: Saturday, 1 June- DC to Harriman, Tennessee Sunday, 2 June - Ft Smith, Arkansas Monday, 3 June - Amarillo, Texas/Clovis, New Mexico Amarillo is home of The Big Texan...gotta stop there for a burger Texan style. Clovis is just the jewel of the Southwest, so I hear. Tuesday, 4 June - Pagosa Springs, CO Wednesday, 5 Jun- Durango, Cortez, CO The Anasazi Indian ruins are near Cortez. Thursday, 6 Jun - Silverton, Ouray, Black Canyon of the Gunnison, CO Silverton is an old mining town. I think there are hot springs in Ooray. Rumor has it that there is a canyon at Black Canyon. Friday, 7 Jun - Leadville, Climax (!), Colorado Springs, CO Leadville is another mining town. Climax is...well, climactic. The Air Force Academy is in Colorado Springs. Saturday, 8 Jun - Denver, Boulder, Estes Park. Anyone know of a good chiropractor in Denver? Sunday, 9 Jun - Hot Springs, Steamboat Springs, CO I dunno. Some hot springs or something. Monday, 10 Jun - Denver, Pueblo, CO Pueblo is where you send to to get the Consumer Information Catalog. I'll pick up some copies for y'all. Hey, wait a minute! We've got some out in the front lobby. ...never mind... Tuesday, 11 Jun - The return trip. Also Mom's birthday. Can't forget that. Raton, NM, Clayton, McLean, TX. Wednesday, 12 Jun- Russellville, TN Thursday, 13 Jun- Harriman, TN Friday, 14 Jun - Washington, DC Saturday, 15 Jun Sleeping. Don't bother calling, I won't answer the phone. That's about it. It should be a fantastic trip. If I have your address, you get a postcard. If you have to get in touch with me, leave a message on my machine at home. See you when I get back! -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Upper Marlboro, MD "If Michael Jackson just loves children so much, where are all the little girls?" - Howard Stern ************************************************************************