From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 2 11:52:26 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Speedy Sidecars Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 11:51:35 -0400 An oblique view at more stability -- One-third page from 4/30 NYT: Not So Sedate: Sidecars Fitted for Speed http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/30/automobiles/30AUTO.html (may require registration) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Mo' wheels? Need mo' power Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 2 12:59:31 2004 Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:59:13 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Speedy Sidecars Good article! Here's Symington's website, with lots of good info - and pics and video - of modern high-performance sidecar rigs. http://hometown.aol.com/sidebike99/index.html And another site that may be of interest: http://www.inb.net/hannigan/new%20pages/sport.html Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "W.S." Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 11:51:35 -0400 >An oblique view at more stability -- One-third page from 4/30 NYT: > > >Not So Sedate: Sidecars Fitted for Speed >http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/30/automobiles/30AUTO.html (may require >registration) > > >Bill S. / DC >'99 VN750 > Mo' wheels? Need mo' power >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 01:22:52 2004 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 00:22:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: WERA National weekend @ Nashville Superspeedway My first attempts at motorsports photography! There are only a few pics posted right now - there are (alot) more to come. Let me know what you think! Stay tuned for more pics! (Thanks to Jordan elder for hosting space!) http://michaelj.smugmug.com/gallery/109620 - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 07:23:47 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Got a parking ticket in DC? Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 07:12:24 -0400 This was sent to me via another list. Someone posted a question here regarding a ticket not too long ago. Maybe this can help. No affiliation....just a messenger. Check out this story from NBC 4 - http://www.nbc4.com/money/3251191/detail.html Or go straight to the website - http://parkingticket.com This guy will fight it for you and if he gets it dismissed you pay him only half the fine, if he loses you pay nothing. And check out the special where you can try it for free (even if he wins) until May 6th. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 08:35:13 2004 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:34:12 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: camping site recomadations? Looking for a short overnight stay. About 2-3 hours away from Leesburg would be good. Any recommendations? Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 08:39:10 2004 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: camping site recomadations? On Mon, 3 May 2004, dan wrote: > Looking for a short overnight stay. About 2-3 hours away from Leesburg > would be good. Which direction? > Any recommendations? There should be many along the Blue Ridge Parkway. What kinda accomodations do you need/want? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 08:51:35 2004 Subject: RE: camping site recomadations? Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:51:25 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Daniel H. Brown" , I second the comments for campgrounds along the BRP. http://www.insiders.com/blueridge/main-parkway2.htm Otherwise, for a little further out, you might try a day trip to Seneca Rocks, great roads, scenic beauty, and a lovely campground with showers. http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/mnf/rec/rog_campgrounds/senecashadows_campground.htm Robert Verde -----Original Message----- From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:39 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: camping site recomadations? On Mon, 3 May 2004, dan wrote: > Looking for a short overnight stay. About 2-3 hours away from Leesburg > would be good. Which direction? > Any recommendations? There should be many along the Blue Ridge Parkway. What kinda accomodations do you need/want? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 08:51:54 2004 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: camping site recomadations? Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:49:33 -0400 Seneca Shadows campground, Seneca Rocks, WV. http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/mnf/rec/rog_campgrounds/senecashadows_campground.htm Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: camping site recomadations? > Looking for a short overnight stay. About 2-3 hours away from Leesburg > would be good. Any recommendations? > > Dan > > -- > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 08:53:12 2004 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:52:13 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: "Daniel H. Brown" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: camping site recomadations? > Which direction? Probably west, but not too particular. > > > Any recommendations? > > There should be many along the Blue Ridge Parkway. What kinda accomodations > do you need/want? I've thought about a few on skyline (BRP is too far away for this trip). Would prefer to have showers/bathroom facilities, electricity is not a must have. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 09:24:44 2004 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 09:24:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: camping site recommendations? At 08:34 AM 5/3/2004, dan wrote: >Looking for a short overnight stay. About 2-3 hours away from Leesburg >would be good. Any recommendations? St.Mary's Wilderness (down 81 an hour) is beautiful and fun on the App trail. We are headed to Harper's Ferry (up the App trail along the Rappahannock) this weekend. There are easy and difficult hikes, seclusion and public campgrounds. Seneca Rocks is good too. Very pretty. Great climbs there and the very close Great Falls park. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 10:39:41 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: camping site recomadations? Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 10:38:31 -0400 Dan, How about Blackwater Falls State Park in Davis (I think...) West Virginia. Good road choices to get there and a nice place to camp. Or, Swallow Falls out near Deep Creek Lake. I haven't been there in a long time, though. It used to be nice. Perry >From: dan >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: camping site recomadations? >Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:34:12 -0400 (EDT) > >Looking for a short overnight stay. About 2-3 hours away from Leesburg >would be good. Any recommendations? > >Dan > >-- > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 12:03:28 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:03:15 -0400 Subject: Carb sync tool I'm *considering* doing a carb sync myself on my '92 Seca II and have been looking at the Holeshot Carb Sync Gauge Set(s), but $170 is a little steep -- does anyone know a cheaper source? Also, what do you guys think of the "do it yourself" version here: http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp -Sean "Wash DC... please!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 12:08:52 2004 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:10:35 -0400 To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: camping site recomadations? At 08:38 AM 5/3/04 -0400, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >On Mon, 3 May 2004, dan wrote: >> Looking for a short overnight stay. About 2-3 hours away from Leesburg >> would be good. > >Which direction? And how fast will you be moving? :-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 12:19:45 2004 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:19:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Carb sync tool On Mon, 3 May 2004, Sean Steele wrote: > Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:03:15 -0400 > From: Sean Steele > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Carb sync tool > > I'm *considering* doing a carb sync myself on my '92 Seca II and have > been looking at the Holeshot Carb Sync Gauge Set(s), but $170 is a > little steep -- does anyone know a cheaper source? > You can get a "twinmax" electronic synchronizer for $77 http://tinyurl.com/2lnx7 This is the device that Morton's BMW has used the last two times my bike has been in there because their fancy BMW machine failed. And, ya, I know it only has 2 inputs. For bikes that have more than 2 cyls you just have to repeat the operation a couple times. > Also, what do you guys think of the "do it yourself" version here: > http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp Suppose it depends on how good you are at building tools. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 18:17:02 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Carb sync tool Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:19:43 -0400 I have a mercury gauge that's free to anyone who wants to come to Winchester and get it! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele [mailto:sean@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:03 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Carb sync tool I'm *considering* doing a carb sync myself on my '92 Seca II and have been looking at the Holeshot Carb Sync Gauge Set(s), but $170 is a little steep -- does anyone know a cheaper source? Also, what do you guys think of the "do it yourself" version here: http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp -Sean "Wash DC... please!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 19:12:29 2004 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/03/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Gary Foreman" I have a mercury gauge that's free to anyone who wants to come to Winchester and get it! =========== Now, that's a deal! You might also wanna try jcwhitney.com. I got the MotionPro tool (mercury gauge) for around $45, I think. John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 21:29:40 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/03/04 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:29:54 -0400 Yep, the el cheapo mercury gauge from Motion Pro works great for me. Just be careful and don't let the Hg spill out. Might be overkill if you have a twin, though. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kozyn" > From: "Gary Foreman" > > I have a mercury gauge that's free to anyone who wants to come to > Winchester and get it! > > =========== > > Now, that's a deal! > > You might also wanna try jcwhitney.com. I got the MotionPro tool > (mercury gauge) for around $45, I think. > > John Kozyn (D-mode) > 1999 900SS > 1995 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 21:38:27 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dc-Cycles" , Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:38:42 -0400 Sounds like the ldrider list might be a good resource for you, if you haven't checked it already. I've not noticed any interference with the GPS. I have the Delphi SkyFi, not the Roady. There are some XM discussion lists for the Roady. Some people have said the Roady's small buttons are hard to manipulate with gloves. I like the SkyFi, as I use it at home as well. I get good reception inside the house, even with the vehicle kit. See it here, with my RAM mount, in the "Farkles" directory. http://community.webshots.com/user/dchondarider/1 It's great for those long slab drones, although I tend not to use the music as much in more challenging riding situations, esp. the talk radio channels. ;-) They've recently added a weather and traffic service, which I use a great deal. DC is XM channel 214, and it's prevented me for getting caught in snarls when I'm out and about on the bike. They have traffic channels for most major cities, with more on the way. I have the Boosteroo amp. The output on the SkyFi is not sufficient to power helmet speakers to overcome wind noise and earplugs. My setup performed flawlessly on my four-day ride this past weekend. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Dc-Cycles" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: RE: XM Radio on the bike? > Paul Wilson does. He is riding his bike to Ohio as we > speak. Ask him next week. > > > --- customtankbags wrote: > > Quite a few of the LDRiders are running these. > > There is some problem with > > interference with a GPS, but other than that, > > everyone seems happy. > > > > LindaT. > > http://www.customtankbags.com > > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > > Hollywood, FL > > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > > 95 F3 Purple Haze > > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:23 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: XM Radio on the bike? > > > > > > Anyone using XM Radio on their bike? I'm looking at > > picking up the XM Roady > > for a greater variety than my MP3 player and wanted > > to know if anyone had > > experience with this yet? > > > > Scooter > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 21:39:14 2004 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 21:38:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: dan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: camping site recomadations? dan wrote: > Looking for a short overnight stay. About 2-3 hours away from Leesburg > would be good. Any recommendations? Sorry, can't say I've ever moto-camped that close to home. I have been known to take a short nap on a picnic table at the odd rest area on I-81 now and then, coming home from places like Texas or Missouri. :) I *can* highly recommend the Willville Bike Resort, down on US-58 at the Meadows of Dan, VA, a short ways off of the BRP. Nice motorcycle-only campground. I plan on going back again sometime. http://www.willvillebikecamp.com/ Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 3 21:58:37 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:58:52 -0400 Hmmm, I reckon the real riders are the ones who don't have a deathgrip on the bars and can manage to wave back. ;-) Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Allis" > You guys are really long distance motorcycle WIMPS! 1200 miles, 2,400 miles > or 5,000 miles a year? Don't talk to me about being a real rider until you > approach 10,000 miles a year. .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 08:23:58 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 08:23:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights Paul Wilson wrote: > Hmmm, I reckon the real riders are the ones who don't have a deathgrip on > the bars and can manage to wave back. ;-) > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Allis" > > > >>You guys are really long distance motorcycle WIMPS! 1200 miles, 2,400 > > miles > >>or 5,000 miles a year? Don't talk to me about being a real rider until > > you > >>approach 10,000 miles a year. .... I can't talk to Doug yet, I don't have 10,000 miles yet this year. Maybe by August. :) Horkster, having a slow year, mileage-wise -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 09:03:37 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 06:03:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And retired to boot, shame on you! Glenn --- Dale Horstman wrote: > I can't talk to Doug yet, I don't have 10,000 miles > yet this year. > Maybe by August. :) > > Horkster, having a slow year, mileage-wise __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 09:28:13 2004 Subject: OT - Non-moto accident Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:28:02 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: I apologize for the waste of bandwidth, but something's been bugging me... ;-) Last Thursday, on my way home through Tyson's Corner about 6:30 PM, there was an extensive traffic back-up on the west-bound side of Rt. 7 right at Tyson's Corners, opposite the Borders store. Drawing near, I could see that traffic was routed off of Leesburg Pike and than back on a block later, apparently to avoid the scene of a traffic accident. There was a car with a damaged windshield, and some distance away a police officer was spraypainting around a single shoe in the road. Grim scene (reminded me of the list discussion of the lane-splitting FL motorcyclist), but the reason I brought it up is that I have been unable to find a single news reference to this event online. I don't take the WP, so it might have been mentioned therein, but if anyone could suggest alternative places to check, I'd appreciate it. It just seems odd that an accident like this would not make any news outlets, but maybe that's my closet idealism speaking! Thanks! Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 09:37:44 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:37:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: OT - Non-moto accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Robert V. Reported: >Last Thursday, on my way home through Tyson's Corner about 6:30 PM, there was an extensive traffic back-up on the west- bound side of Rt. 7 right at Tyson's Corners, opposite the Borders store. Drawing near, I could see that traffic was routed off of Leesburg Pike and than back on a block later, apparently to avoid the scene of a traffic accident. There was a car with a damaged windshield, and some distance away a police officer was spraypainting around a single shoe in the road. > >Grim scene (reminded me of the list discussion of the lane- splitting FL motorcyclist), but the reason I brought it up is that I have been unable to find a single news reference to this event online. I don't take the WP, so it might have been mentioned therein, but if anyone could suggest alternative places to check, I'd appreciate it. It just seems odd that an accident like this would not make any news outlets, but maybe that's my closet idealism speaking! [Dave] Next week, you can check here: http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/police7.htm check the weekly summary of incidents and crimes... HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 09:38:11 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 09:38:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Dulles Expo Bike Show? Are they doing another bike show at Dulles Expo this year? I can't find one on the schedule. Last year was much better than the one downtown or even in Baltimore. http://www.dullesexpo.com/main/main.htm ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 09:39:24 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 09:39:04 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Paul, Thanks for the info. I picked up a Roady on Friday and ordered the Home Kit yesterday along with a Boosteroo. Funny thing though, I also bought a headphone extension cable with inline volume control at Radio Shack yesterday for $5 and tried it out for shits and giggles. I think I could get away without the Boosteroo. :-) That little sucker almost blasted my eardrums out at full blast. =8-0 I had the Roady volume set all the way up, as well as the inline volume, and I could hear it across the room just coming out of my headphones. Full volume was louder than full volume on my MP3 player. Anyway, I tried the Roady out on the bike Saturday. Only problem I had was everytime I hit a big bump it would turn off. Either the dc plug wasn't getting a good connection or my dc socket has a loose wire. I'm gonna check it out tonight. It's actually a nice setup otherwise. Came with a mounting kit, antenna, dc cable, cassette adapter kit and a wireless car kit for vehicles without cassette players. Haven't ried it in the car yet. That's this weekend. :-) Scooter In a message dated 5/3/2004 9:38:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: > > > Sounds like the ldrider list might be a good resource for you, if you> haven't checked it already. I've not noticed any interference with the GPS.> I have the Delphi SkyFi, not the Roady. There are some XM discussion lists> for the Roady. Some people have said the Roady's small buttons are hard to> manipulate with gloves. I like the SkyFi, as I use it at home as well. I> get good reception inside the house, even with the vehicle kit.> > See it here, with my RAM mount, in the "Farkles" directory.> > http://community.webshots.com/user/dchondarider/1> > It's great for those long slab drones, although I tend not to use the music> as much in more challenging riding situations, esp. the talk radio channels.> ;-) They've recently added a weather and traffic service, which I use a> great deal. DC is XM channel 214, and it's prevented me for getting caught> in snarls when I'm out and about on the bike. They have traffic channels> for most major cities, with more on the way. I have the Boosteroo amp. he> output on the SkyFi is not sufficient to power helmet speakers to overcome> wind noise and earplugs. My setup performed flawlessly on > my four-day ride> this past weekend.> > Paul in DC> 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Mark Kitchell" > To: "Dc-Cycles" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:44 PM> Subject: RE: XM Radio on the bike?> > > > Paul Wilson does. He is riding his bike to Ohio as we> > speak. Ask him next week.> >> >> > --- customtankbags wrote:> > > Quite a few of the LDRiders are running these.> > > There is some problem with> > > interference with a GPS, but other than that,> > > everyone seems happy.> > >> > > LindaT.> > > http://www.customtankbags.com> > > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings> > > Hollywood, FL> > > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW> > > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy> > > 95 F3 Purple Haze> > > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Sco! oterFZR@ aol.com [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX]> > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:23 PM> > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX> > > Subject: XM Radio on the bike?> > >> > >> > > Anyone using XM Radio on their bike? I'm looking at> > > picking up the XM Roady> > > for a greater variety than my MP3 player and wanted> > > to know if anyone had> > > experience with this yet?> > >> > > Scooter> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > __________________________________> > Do you Yahoo!?> > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs> > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 09:44:56 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 06:44:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Scoot: What headphones/plugs are you using? --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Paul, > Thanks for the info. I picked up a Roady on Friday > and ordered the Home Kit yesterday along with a > Boosteroo. Funny thing though, I also bought a > headphone extension cable with inline volume control > at Radio Shack yesterday for $5 and tried it out for > shits and giggles. I think I could get away without > the Boosteroo. :-) That little sucker almost > blasted my eardrums out at full blast. =8-0 I had > the Roady volume set all the way up, as well as the > inline volume, and I could hear it across the room > just coming out of my headphones. Full volume was > louder than full volume on my MP3 player. Anyway, I > tried the Roady out on the bike Saturday. Only > problem I had was everytime I hit a big bump it > would turn off. Either the dc plug wasn't getting a > good connection or my dc socket has a loose wire. > I'm gonna check it out tonight. It's actually a > nice setup otherwise. Came with a mounting kit, > antenna, dc cable, cassette adapter kit and a > wireless car kit for vehicles wi! > thout cassette players. Haven't tried it in the > car yet. That's this weekend. :-) > Scooter > In a message dated 5/3/2004 9:38:42 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Sounds like the ldrider list might be a good > resource for you, if you> haven't checked it > already. I've not noticed any interference with the > GPS.> I have the Delphi SkyFi, not the Roady. There > are some XM discussion lists> for the Roady. Some > people have said the Roady's small buttons are hard > to> manipulate with gloves. I like the SkyFi, as I > use it at home as well. I> get good reception > inside the house, even with the vehicle kit.> > See > it here, with my RAM mount, in the "Farkles" > directory.> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/dchondarider/1> > > It's great for those long slab drones, although I > tend not to use the music> as much in more > challenging riding situations, esp. the talk radio > channels.> ;-) They've recently added a weather and > traffic service, which I use a> great deal. DC is > XM channel 214, and it's prevented me for getting > caught> in snarls when I'm out and about on the > bike. They have traffic channels> for most major > cities, with more on the ! > way. I have the Boosteroo amp. The> output on the > SkyFi is not sufficient to power helmet speakers to > overcome> wind noise and earplugs. My setup > performed flawlessly on > my four-day ride> this > past weekend.> > Paul in DC> 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - > www.wilsonline.org> ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Mark Kitchell" > To: > "Dc-Cycles" > Sent: Friday, > April 30, 2004 1:44 PM> Subject: RE: XM Radio on the > bike?> > > > Paul Wilson does. He is riding his > bike to Ohio as we> > speak. Ask him next week.> >> > >> > --- customtankbags > wrote:> > > Quite a few of the LDRiders are running > these.> > > There is some problem with> > > > interference with a GPS, but other than that,> > > > everyone seems happy.> > >> > > LindaT.> > > > http://www.customtankbags.com> > > Now - TankBags > for 1800 Wings> > > Hollywood, FL> > > AMA IBA HSTA > BMWBMW> > > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy> > > 95 F3 Purple > Haze> > > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Te! > nzing> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Sco! > oterFZR@ > aol.com [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX]> > > Sent: > Friday, April 30, 2004 1:23 PM> > > To: > dc-cycles@XXXXXX> > > Subject: XM Radio on > the bike?> > >> > >> > > Anyone using XM Radio on > their bike? I'm looking at> > > picking up the XM > Roady> > > for a greater variety than my MP3 player > and wanted> > > to know if anyone had> > > > experience with this yet?> > >> > > Scooter> > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > __________________________________> > Do you > Yahoo!?> > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! > HotJobs> > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover> > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 09:57:29 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 09:57:15 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Mark, I picked up a set of in helmet speakers from www.clearercom.com at the bike show a couple months ago. They fit in the helmet really nice. You can't even tell they're there unless your looking. The MP3 player powered them pretty good for volume but, the XM radio doesn't technically have a volume control. You're supposed to use the volume of your car radio. Anyway, the cable I bought from Radio Shack, http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F010&product%5Fid=42%2D2559 (Gold-Plated Volume Control Cable for Stereo Headphones) really works well so far on the XM radio. Just gotta try it on the bike now. :-) Scooter In a message dated 5/4/2004 9:44:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > Scoot: > > What headphones/plugs are you using? > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > Paul, > > Thanks for the info. I picked up a Roady on Friday > > and ordered the Home Kit yesterday along with a > > Boosteroo. Funny thing though, I also bought a > > headphone extension cable with inline volume control > > at Radio Shack yesterday for $5 and tried it out for > > shits and giggles. I think I could get away without > > the Boosteroo. :-) That little sucker almost > > blasted my eardrums out at full blast. =8-0 I had > > the Roady volume set all the way up, as well as the > > inline volume, and I could hear it across the room > > just coming out of my headphones. Full volume was > > louder than full volume on my MP3 player. Anyway, I > > tried the Roady out on the bike Saturday. Only > > problem I had was everytime I hit a big bump it > > would turn off. Either the dc plug wasn't getting a > > good connection or my dc socket has a loose wire. > > I'm gonna check it out tonight. It's actually a > > nice setup otherwise. Came with a mounting kit, > > antenna, dc cable, cassette adapter kit and a > > wireless car kit for vehicles wi! > > thout cassette players. Haven't tried it in the > > car yet. That's this weekend. :-) > > Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 10:04:53 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:04:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Mark, I picked up a set of in helmet speakers from www.clearercom.com at the bike show a couple months ago. They fit in the helmet really nice. You can't even tell they're there unless your looking. The MP3 player powered them pretty good for volume but, the XM radio doesn't technically have a volume control. You're supposed to use the volume of your car radio. Anyway, the cable I bought from Radio Shack, http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F010&product%5Fid=42%2D2559 (Gold-Plated Volume Control Cable for Stereo Headphones) really works well so far on the XM radio. Just gotta try it on the bike now. :-) Scooter ------------- Great minds think alike. :) I've got the clearer.com speakers and the Radio Shack inline volume control. I still think you're going to need the Boosteroo to hear the music at speed. I usually have the volume control at its highest setting on the highway, and turned down in stop and go stuff. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 10:25:45 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 07:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? To: Paul Wilson , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX I never found the inhelmet speakers loud enough so I use the Koss ear plugs/phones. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > Mark, > > I picked up a set of in helmet speakers from > www.clearercom.com at the bike show a couple months > ago. They fit in the helmet really nice. You can't > even tell they're there unless your looking. The > MP3 player powered them pretty good for volume but, > the XM radio doesn't technically have a volume > control. You're supposed to use the volume of your > car radio. Anyway, the cable I bought from Radio > Shack, > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F010&product%5Fid=42%2D2559 > (Gold-Plated Volume Control Cable for Stereo > Headphones) really works well so far on the XM > radio. Just gotta try it on the bike now. :-) > > Scooter > > > ------------- > > Great minds think alike. :) I've got the > clearer.com speakers and the Radio Shack inline > volume control. I still think you're going to need > the Boosteroo to hear the music at speed. I usually > have the volume control at its highest setting on > the highway, and turned down in stop and go stuff. > > > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 10:35:52 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 10:35:41 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. :-) Scooter In a message dated 5/4/2004 10:04:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > Mark, > > I picked up a set of in helmet speakers from www.clearercom.com at the bike show a couple months ago. They fit in the helmet really nice. You can't even tell they're there unless your looking. The MP3 player powered them pretty good for volume but, the XM radio doesn't technically have a volume control. You're supposed to use the volume of your car radio. Anyway, the cable I bought from Radio Shack, http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F010&product%5Fid=42%2D2559 (Gold-Plated Volume Control Cable for Stereo Headphones) really works well so far on the XM radio. Just gotta try it on the bike now. :-) > > Scooter > > > ------------- > > Great minds think alike. :) I've got the clearer.com speakers and the Radio Shack inline volume control. I still think you're going to need the Boosteroo to hear the music at speed. I usually have the volume control at its highest setting > on the highway, and turned down in stop and go stuff. > > > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 10:39:55 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 10:39:41 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 I have a set of those also. They have just been bugging the hell out of me lately. They either come out when I put on my helmet or shift afterwards and start hitting in the wrong places. Having to take them out and play with them to get them in right everytime you stop and take off your helmet is a pain. The speakers from Clearercom velcro in and the cable & connector tuck in out of site. We'll see how well they do on the bike with just the inline volume control and then the Boosteroo. :-) Scooter In a message dated 5/4/2004 10:25:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > I never found the inhelmet speakers loud enough so I > use the Koss ear plugs/phones. > > > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > > > > Mark, > > > > I picked up a set of in helmet speakers from > > www.clearercom.com at the bike show a couple months > > ago. They fit in the helmet really nice. You can't > > even tell they're there unless your looking. The > > MP3 player powered them pretty good for volume but, > > the XM radio doesn't technically have a volume > > control. You're supposed to use the volume of your > > car radio. Anyway, the cable I bought from Radio > > Shack, > > > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F010&product%5Fid=42%2D > 2559 > > (Gold-Plated Volume Control Cable for Stereo > > Headphones) really works well so far on the XM > > radio. Just gotta try it on the bike now. :-) > > > > Scooter > > > > > > ------------- > > > > Great minds think alike. :) I've got the > > clearer.com speakers and the Radio Shack inline > > volume control. I still think you're going to need > > the Boosteroo to hear the music at speed. I usually > > have the volume control at its highest setting on > > the highway, and turned down in stop and go stuff. > > > > > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 10:47:32 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 07:47:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX They are a pain but the only way I can hear music on the bike. I modified them a bit by cutting off about 1/3rd of the plastic tube that goes in your ear. Much less painful that way. --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I have a set of those also. They have just been > bugging the hell out of me lately. They either come > out when I put on my helmet or shift afterwards and > start hitting in the wrong places. Having to take > them out and play with them to get them in right > everytime you stop and take off your helmet is a > pain. The speakers from Clearercom velcro in and > the cable & connector tuck in out of site. We'll > see how well they do on the bike with just the > inline volume control and then the Boosteroo. :-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated 5/4/2004 10:25:37 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > I never found the inhelmet speakers loud enough so > I > > use the Koss ear plugs/phones. > > > > > > > > > > --- Paul Wilson > wrote: > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > I picked up a set of in helmet speakers from > > > www.clearercom.com at the bike show a couple > months > > > ago. They fit in the helmet really nice. You > can't > > > even tell they're there unless your looking. > The > > > MP3 player powered them pretty good for volume > but, > > > the XM radio doesn't technically have a volume > > > control. You're supposed to use the volume of > your > > > car radio. Anyway, the cable I bought from > Radio > > > Shack, > > > > > > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F010&product%5Fid=42%2D > > 2559 > > > (Gold-Plated Volume Control Cable for Stereo > > > Headphones) really works well so far on the XM > > > radio. Just gotta try it on the bike now. :-) > > > > > > Scooter > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > Great minds think alike. :) I've got the > > > clearer.com speakers and the Radio Shack inline > > > volume control. I still think you're going to > need > > > the Boosteroo to hear the music at speed. I > usually > > > have the volume control at its highest setting > on > > > the highway, and turned down in stop and go > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 10:55:30 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: XM Radio on the bike? Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:59:28 -0400 For speakers in the helmet, I find that buying a good quality set of headphones works best. Rip the band off, pull back the helmet liner, hollow out just a small hole for the speaker to recess in the helmet (usually there already for your ears to fit in), glue the speakers in, and reattach the liner. Clean install, they never move, they sound good, etc. Done it with the last 2 helmets, and love it. Can't turn the ipod all the way up because it's TOO loud. YMMV. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [SMTP:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:40 AM > To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? > > I have a set of those also. They have just been bugging the hell out of > me lately. They either come out when I put on my helmet or shift > afterwards and start hitting in the wrong places. Having to take them out > and play with them to get them in right everytime you stop and take off > your helmet is a pain. The speakers from Clearercom velcro in and the > cable & connector tuck in out of site. We'll see how well they do on the > bike with just the inline volume control and then the Boosteroo. :-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated 5/4/2004 10:25:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > I never found the inhelmet speakers loud enough so I > > use the Koss ear plugs/phones. > > > > > > > > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > I picked up a set of in helmet speakers from > > > www.clearercom.com at the bike show a couple months > > > ago. They fit in the helmet really nice. You can't > > > even tell they're there unless your looking. The > > > MP3 player powered them pretty good for volume but, > > > the XM radio doesn't technically have a volume > > > control. You're supposed to use the volume of your > > > car radio. Anyway, the cable I bought from Radio > > > Shack, > > > > > > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname= > CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F010&product%5Fid=42%2D > > 2559 > > > (Gold-Plated Volume Control Cable for Stereo > > > Headphones) really works well so far on the XM > > > radio. Just gotta try it on the bike now. :-) > > > > > > Scooter > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > Great minds think alike. :) I've got the > > > clearer.com speakers and the Radio Shack inline > > > volume control. I still think you're going to need > > > the Boosteroo to hear the music at speed. I usually > > > have the volume control at its highest setting on > > > the highway, and turned down in stop and go stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 11:03:42 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 11:03:33 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 The speakers I bought aren't really the problem. They are good quality and so far work great with my MP3 player. It's the fact that teh XM unit wasn't built for being used without being plugged into a car radio or home stereo to supply the volume. At it's highest setting, it still isn't very loud. That's why the inline cable works so well with it. It is supplying the external volume control that the receiver needs. Scooter In a message dated 5/4/2004 10:59:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MLynch@XXXXXX writes: > > > For speakers in the helmet, I find that buying a good quality set of > headphones works best. Rip the band off, pull back the helmet liner, hollow > out just a small hole for the speaker to recess in the helmet (usually there > already for your ears to fit in), glue the speakers in, and reattach the > liner. Clean install, they never move, they sound good, etc. Done it with > the last 2 helmets, and love it. Can't turn the ipod all the way up because > it's TOO loud. YMMV. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [SMTP:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:40 AM > > To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: XM Radio on the bike? > > > > I have a set of those also. They have just been bugging the hell out of > > me lately. They either come out when I put on my helmet or shift > > afterwards and start hitting in the wrong places. Having to take them out > > and play with them to get them in right everytime you stop and take off > > your helmet is a pain. The speakers from Clearercom velcro in and the > > cable & connector tuck in out of site. We'll see how well they do on the > > bike with just the inline volume control and then the Boosteroo. :-) > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated 5/4/2004 10:25:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > I never found the inhelmet speakers loud enough so I > > > use the Koss ear plugs/phones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > > I picked up a set of in helmet speakers from > > > > www.clearercom.com at the bike show a couple months > > > > ago. They fit in the helmet really nice. You can't > > > > even tell they're there unless your looking. The > > > > MP3 player powered them pretty good for volume but, > > > > the XM radio doesn't technically have a volume > > > > control. You're supposed to use the volume of your > > > > car radio. Anyway, the cable I bought from Radio > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > > > > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname= > > CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F010&product%5Fid=42%2D > > > 2559 > > > > (Gold-Plated Volume Control Cable for Stereo > > > > Headphones) really works well so far on the XM > > > > radio. Just gotta try it on the bike now. :-) > > > > > > > > Scooter > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > Great minds think alike. :) I've got the > > > > clearer.com speakers and the Radio Shack inline > > > > volume control. I still think you're going to need > > > > the Boosteroo to hear the music at speed. I usually > > > > have the volume control at its highest setting on > > > > the highway, and turned down in stop and go stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 11:50:03 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 11:49:48 -0400 Subject: Comagination brake flasher Any lister(s) installed one of these brake flashers before: http://www.comagination.com/bflasher.htm If so, whatchya think? -Sean Wash, DC '92 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 12:44:50 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:44:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Koss Plugs (was Re: XM Radio on the bike?) On Tue, 4 May 2004, Mark Kitchell wrote: > They are a pain but the only way I can hear music on > the bike. I modified them a bit by cutting off about > 1/3rd of the plastic tube that goes in your ear. Much > less painful that way. > Have you guys tried using generic ear plugs with the Koss Plugs? The foam crap that comes with them SUCKS. Check out : http://www.headwize.com/projects/cmoy4_prj.htm Good info on modifying them, for me they work 100% better this way. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 13:11:35 2004 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Carb sync tool On Mon, 3 May 2004, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > You can get a "twinmax" electronic synchronizer for $77 > > http://tinyurl.com/2lnx7 > It looks interesting, but its a Frenchie product...blah. These seem to get good reviews too: http://www.carbtune.com/carbpric.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 13:31:26 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX do scooter riders have a wave policy? i rarely get a return wave from those pitiful little fucksticks. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Hmmm, I reckon the real riders are the ones who don't > have a deathgrip on > the bars and can manage to wave back. ;-) > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Allis" > > > > > You guys are really long distance motorcycle WIMPS! > 1200 miles, 2,400 > miles > > or 5,000 miles a year? Don't talk to me about being a > real rider until > you > > approach 10,000 miles a year. .... > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 13:45:22 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 13:45:08 -0400 Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights I'd rather aim my fury at the SUVs, personally, but if we must pick on scooter riders, my thought is simple: why would they wave? If I rode around on a lawnmower with a seat I wouldn't wave to anyone either... -Sean Tom Gimer wrote: > do scooter riders have a wave policy? i rarely get a > return wave from those pitiful little fucksticks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 14:11:16 2004 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Comagination brake flasher Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:11:07 -0400 I've not used the brake flasher, but I do have a comagination headlight modulator. I can report that it seems to be high quality, and has worked reliably for the past year. Bob Meyer > > From: "Sean Steele" > Date: 2004/05/04 Tue AM 11:49:48 EDT > To: "DC Cycles" > Subject: Comagination brake flasher > > Any lister(s) installed one of these brake flashers before: > http://www.comagination.com/bflasher.htm > > If so, whatchya think? > > -Sean > Wash, DC > '92 Seca II > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 14:13:08 2004 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dulles Expo Bike Show? Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:13:00 -0400 If it's not on the schedule, I think you've answered your own question, eh? Bob Meyer > > From: Troutman > Date: 2004/05/04 Tue AM 09:38:06 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Dulles Expo Bike Show? > > Are they doing another bike show at Dulles Expo this year? I can't find > one on the schedule. Last year was much better than the one downtown or > even in Baltimore. > > http://www.dullesexpo.com/main/main.htm > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '01 ST1100 A, "teSTarossa" '92 ST1100, "red STag" '02 919, "still looking for a name" A steady job and a wife have ruined more good bikers.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 14:18:13 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:18:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Dulles Expo Bike Show? At 02:13 PM 5/4/2004, Bob Meyer wrote: >If it's not on the schedule, I think you've answered your own question, eh? I never would have expected a smart ass response on DC Cycles.... If they aren't doing it again this summer, I can't see why not. They were packed all weekend. Any other local shows anyone is planning to attend en masse? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 14:25:50 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'dan'" , Subject: RE: Carb sync tool Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:28:35 -0400 I have a CarbTune. Excellent! -----Original Message----- From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:32 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Carb sync tool On Mon, 3 May 2004, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > You can get a "twinmax" electronic synchronizer for $77 > > http://tinyurl.com/2lnx7 > It looks interesting, but its a Frenchie product...blah. These seem to get good reviews too: http://www.carbtune.com/carbpric.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 14:31:12 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:28:19 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights I had one give me a beep on the horn, so I returned the beep. --skip Sean Steele wrote: > > I'd rather aim my fury at the SUVs, personally, but if we must pick on > scooter riders, my thought is simple: why would they wave? If I rode > around on a lawnmower with a seat I wouldn't wave to anyone either... > > -Sean > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > do scooter riders have a wave policy? i rarely get a > > return wave from those pitiful little fucksticks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 14:32:08 2004 Reply-To: "louis-mc" From: "louis-mc" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Dulles Expo Bike Show? Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:32:41 -0400 > If they aren't doing it again this summer, I can't see why not. They were > packed all weekend. Any other local shows anyone is planning to attend en > masse? If you mean by the same company, the Cycle World Expo shows, they are pretty much done for the year. I agree that their show in Dulles was much better than their show in DC. They had much more room, and the demos were great. Their new calendar isn't up yet. Hopefully it will be soon. Maybe they'll learn from their mistake? But then again, from one of the big dealers that I talked with, the Dulles show really didn't have high numbers compared to other motorcycle shows. So they make scrap DC altogether. I hope not, but of course they want to make money off the whole thing. I also spoke to one of the smaller vendors. She said they lost money that weekend, they got a lot of people looking, but not too many buying. She likes the Harley shows better. But then again, I guess it depends on your mercandise and the particular audiance for the show. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 14:42:57 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dulles Expo Bike Show? Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:23:54 -0400 Are you referring to the "International Motorcycle Show" or whatever sponsored by Cycle World & Toyota, which was at Dulles Expo Center last yr in March, that was at the DC Conv Center this past Jan? If so it moved to DC and was in Jan. Otherwise I don't know. >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Dulles Expo Bike Show? >Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:18:10 -0400 > >At 02:13 PM 5/4/2004, Bob Meyer wrote: >>If it's not on the schedule, I think you've answered your own question, >>eh? > >I never would have expected a smart ass response on DC Cycles.... > >If they aren't doing it again this summer, I can't see why not. They were >packed all weekend. Any other local shows anyone is planning to attend en >masse? > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 15:04:11 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:52:55 -0400 Tom, Don't bother. It seems to me that Scooter riders (as opposed to riders named Scooter) don't wave at Motorcycle riders and vice versa. I've sort of, hesitantly, waved at a few, but given up since they never wave back. I just don't think they get it... Perry >From: Tom Gimer >To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights >Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT) > >do scooter riders have a wave policy? i rarely get a >return wave from those pitiful little fucksticks. > > > >--- Paul Wilson wrote: > > Hmmm, I reckon the real riders are the ones who don't > > have a deathgrip on > > the bars and can manage to wave back. ;-) > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Allis" > > > > > > > > > You guys are really long distance motorcycle WIMPS! > > 1200 miles, 2,400 > > miles > > > or 5,000 miles a year? Don't talk to me about being a > > real rider until > > you > > > approach 10,000 miles a year. .... > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 15:05:44 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 15:05:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Re: Dulles Expo Bike Show? At 02:30 PM 5/4/2004, louis-mc wrote: >If you mean by the same company, the Cycle World Expo shows, they are >pretty much done for the year. I agree that their show in Dulles was much >better than their show in DC. They had much more room, and the demos were >great. Their new calendar isn't up yet. Hopefully it will be soon. Maybe >they'll learn from their mistake? I didn't realize it was the same show :-( Hopefully they come back to Dulles again in the future. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 15:17:08 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 15:16:59 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Thanks for the clarification Perry. I sorta wave at scooter riders every once in a while but, then I give up. Scooter In a message dated 5/4/2004 2:52:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > Tom, > > Don't bother. It seems to me that Scooter riders (as opposed to riders named > Scooter) don't wave at Motorcycle riders and vice versa. I've sort of, > hesitantly, waved at a few, but given up since they never wave back. I just > don't think they get it... > > Perry > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights > >Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT) > > > >do scooter riders have a wave policy? i rarely get a > >return wave from those pitiful little fucksticks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 15:36:34 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT - Non-moto accident To: "Verde, Robert" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news. the shoe, a 2002 pennyloafer, was pronounced dead at the scene. i found the full writeup in the fashion section of saturday's post. --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > I apologize for the waste of bandwidth, but something's > been bugging me... ;-) > > Last Thursday, on my way home through Tyson's Corner > about 6:30 PM, there was an extensive traffic back-up on > the west-bound side of Rt. 7 right at Tyson's Corners, > opposite the Borders store. Drawing near, I could see > that traffic was routed off of Leesburg Pike and than > back on a block later, apparently to avoid the scene of a > traffic accident. There was a car with a damaged > windshield, and some distance away a police officer was > spraypainting around a single shoe in the road. > > Grim scene (reminded me of the list discussion of the > lane-splitting FL motorcyclist), but the reason I brought > it up is that I have been unable to find a single news > reference to this event online. I don't take the WP, so > it might have been mentioned therein, but if anyone could > suggest alternative places to check, I'd appreciate it. > It just seems odd that an accident like this would not > make any news outlets, but maybe that's my closet > idealism speaking! > > Thanks! > > Robert Verde > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 15:57:43 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 15:57:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT - Non-moto accident when are the services? I have a wing tip that knew her. At 03:36 PM 5/4/2004, you wrote: >i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news. the shoe, a 2002 >pennyloafer, was pronounced dead at the scene. i found the >full writeup in the fashion section of saturday's post. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 16:00:09 2004 Subject: RE: OT - Non-moto accident Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:59:57 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Tom Gimer" Cc: Thanks to the tip from Dave Yates I found the police report on the Fairfax County site: http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/reports/news.htm (Fatal pedestrian crash in Tyson's Corner area). No mention of shoes. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:36 PM To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT - Non-moto accident i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news. the shoe, a 2002 pennyloafer, was pronounced dead at the scene. i found the full writeup in the fashion section of saturday's post. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 16:14:56 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: OT - Non-moto accident Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:14:24 -0400 Obviously you need to do some sole searching. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "This email contains a minimum of 50% post-consumer electrons." -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT - Non-moto accident when are the services? I have a wing tip that knew her. At 03:36 PM 5/4/2004, you wrote: >i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news. the shoe, a 2002 >pennyloafer, was pronounced dead at the scene. i found the >full writeup in the fashion section of saturday's post. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 16:16:48 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:16:33 EDT Subject: Re: OT - Non-moto accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/4/2004 3:36:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Yea. And the cola coming out of my nose was bad news also.......... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 16:50:03 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:49:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: OT - Non-moto accident To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX You heel. Arch guys like you never last long before getting the boot from this group. Some day you'll be tapped out, on your uppers, and someone will give you a thorough tongue lacing. Better polish your act and brush up on your manners. -- Larry --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: Obviously you need to do some sole searching. > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > when are the services? I have a wing tip that knew her. > > >i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news. the shoe, a 2002 > >pennyloafer, was pronounced dead at the scene. i found the > >full writeup in the fashion section of saturday's post. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 16:53:33 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'pltrgyst@XXXXXX'" , bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: OT - Non-moto accident Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:53:17 -0400 You guys are corny. I couldn't resist. -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 4:50 PM To: bernescut@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: OT - Non-moto accident You heel. Arch guys like you never last long before getting the boot from this group. Some day you'll be tapped out, on your uppers, and someone will give you a thorough tongue lacing. Better polish your act and brush up on your manners. -- Larry --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: Obviously you need to do some sole searching. > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > when are the services? I have a wing tip that knew her. > > >i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news. the shoe, a 2002 > >pennyloafer, was pronounced dead at the scene. i found the > >full writeup in the fashion section of saturday's post. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 16:58:04 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX It's that whole Mods vs Rockers thing don't you know. Hugh --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Tom, > > Don't bother. It seems to me that Scooter riders (as opposed to riders named > Scooter) don't wave at Motorcycle riders and vice versa. I've sort of, > hesitantly, waved at a few, but given up since they never wave back. I just > don't think they get it... > > Perry > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 17:02:06 2004 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: OT - Non-moto accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ahhhh, so that's how The Short Happy Life of the Brown Oxford ends. Hugh --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news. the shoe, a 2002 > pennyloafer, was pronounced dead at the scene. i found the > full writeup in the fashion section of saturday's post. > > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 17:54:59 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 17:54:48 -0400 Yeah, I was thinking about "Quadrophenia" the whole time... Perry >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights >Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:57:41 -0700 (PDT) > >It's that whole Mods vs Rockers thing don't you know. > >Hugh > >--- Perry Coleman wrote: > > Tom, > > > > Don't bother. It seems to me that Scooter riders (as opposed to riders >named > > Scooter) don't wave at Motorcycle riders and vice versa. I've sort of, > > hesitantly, waved at a few, but given up since they never wave back. I >just > > don't think they get it... > > > > Perry > > > > >===== >Hugh Caldwell >http://www.twowheelsgood.net > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 21:07:47 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Tom Gimer , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:09:06 -0400 Never got a wave from a scooter rider. Maybe it's cause I was passing them so fast :-p Rob On Tue, 4 May 2004 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Gimer wrote > do scooter riders have a wave policy? i rarely get a > return wave from those pitiful little fucksticks. > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > Hmmm, I reckon the real riders are the ones who don't > > have a deathgrip on > > the bars and can manage to wave back. ;-) > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Allis" > > > > > > > > > You guys are really long distance motorcycle WIMPS! > > 1200 miles, 2,400 > > miles > > > or 5,000 miles a year? Don't talk to me about being a > > real rider until > > you > > > approach 10,000 miles a year. .... > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 22:27:37 2004 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 22:27:19 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Glenn Dysart CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights Glenn Dysart wrote: > And retired to boot, shame on you! > > Glenn > Alas, all good things have to come to an end. I'm a working stiff again, just started up a couple weeks ago. I've got a ridiculously pleasant commute into Manassas now, only 15 miles each way, takes a little over 20 minutes. Good news is, part of the reason for going back to work is that I desperately want a Garage-mahal out back for the bikes. I've still gotta look into all the permits & stuff first, but I think it's do-able. 2 bays, 2 floors, 2 cool. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 4 22:31:04 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Sunday's Race Photos from Summit Point Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 22:33:50 -0400 Enjoy! http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/040502/ Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 08:39:53 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:39:48 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: DUI killer skates on most serious charge To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From today's Times: DUI driver eludes charge of homicide ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (AP) )B— An Ellicott City woman who was legally drunk when she rear-ended a motorcycle last year, killing its rider, faces no more than a year in prison after paying a $275 ticket before she could be charged with vehicular homicide. In essence, Susan Elizabeth Williams, 35, pleaded guilty to a lesser charge before a more serious one could be leveled. "She kind of found a crack in the system," State's Attorney Timothy J. McCrone said. As a result, police issued a memo advising officers not to issue tickets for negligent driving in drunken-driving cases involving injuries until the case is reviewed. Miss Williams had faced several charges, including driving while intoxicated and vehicular homicide, in the death of Dennis Jerry Sullivan, 42, a mechanic and father of two. Miss Williams had just left work at a Burger King on Baltimore National Pike when she crashed into Mr. Sullivan. Officers tested her on the scene, decided she was intoxicated and arrested her, police spokesman Richard Malcolm said. But because Mr. Sullivan did not appear critically injured )B— although he was taken to a hospital complaining of back injuries )B— the investigating officer did not call the traffic investigation division, which would have been the routine in accidents involving serious injuries, Mr. Malcolm said. The officer charged Miss Williams with several citations related to the accident, including negligent driving. Mr. Sullivan died of internal injuries days later, and prosecutors filed papers to drop the lesser counts. In the meantime, Miss Williams had paid the $275 fine for negligent driving. A Circuit Court judge agreed and dropped the vehicular homicide charge against Miss Williams on April 1. On Monday, she pleaded not guilty to driving under the influence but waived her right to a trial, and Judge Dennis Sweeney found her guilty. Sentencing was set for July 7. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 09:12:48 2004 From: "John White" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:12:42 -0400 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:12:42 -0400 That's f**ked up! Wow! She has to pay some how. The family should file a wrongful death suit against her. Tap into her assets and insurance or something. I know that won't bring him back, but to let her just walk away like that.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: DUI killer skates on most serious charge > From today's Times: > > DUI driver eludes charge of homicide > > > > ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (AP) )B— An Ellicott City woman who was > legally drunk when she rear-ended a motorcycle last year, > killing its rider, faces no more than a year in prison after > paying a $275 ticket before she could be charged with > vehicular homicide. > In essence, Susan Elizabeth Williams, 35, pleaded guilty > to a lesser charge before a more serious one could be > leveled. > > "She kind of found a crack in the system," State's > Attorney Timothy J. McCrone said. > As a result, police issued a memo advising officers not > to issue tickets for negligent driving in drunken-driving > cases involving injuries until the case is reviewed. > Miss Williams had faced several charges, including > driving while intoxicated and vehicular homicide, in the > death of Dennis Jerry Sullivan, 42, a mechanic and father of > two. > Miss Williams had just left work at a Burger King on > Baltimore National Pike when she crashed into Mr. Sullivan. > Officers tested her on the scene, decided she was intoxicated > and arrested her, police spokesman Richard Malcolm said. > But because Mr. Sullivan did not appear critically > injured )B— although he was taken to a hospital complaining of > back injuries )B— the investigating officer did not call the > traffic investigation division, which would have been the > routine in accidents involving serious injuries, Mr. Malcolm > said. > The officer charged Miss Williams with several citations > related to the accident, including negligent driving. > Mr. Sullivan died of internal injuries days later, and > prosecutors filed papers to drop the lesser counts. > In the meantime, Miss Williams had paid the $275 fine for > negligent driving. > A Circuit Court judge agreed and dropped the vehicular > homicide charge against Miss Williams on April 1. On Monday, > she pleaded not guilty to driving under the influence but > waived her right to a trial, and Judge Dennis Sweeney found > her guilty. > Sentencing was set for July 7. > > Dave Yates > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 09:16:05 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'dan@XXXXXX'" Subject: camping Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:18:00 -0400 From: dan <> camping site recomadations? Looking for a short overnight stay. About 2-3 hours away from Leesburg would be good. Any recommendations? Dan In addition to the others IIRC Boyer W(BG)V has a motorcycle friendly campground. Plus, because camping season is upon us, here's some snips from 2002: From: Custer, Carl Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:00 PM Cc: 'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX' Subject: camping Start here: continue: Also the Cherokee campground in Tellico Plains is bike friendly. [2004: Alas, the Cherokee was pretty run down last year but was still cheep and as a bonus the gravel was deeper =8^O. There's a new KOA in Tellico Plains but sites are in the sun.] Finally end up here: Lori 13Mar03: Cherokee Campground 6624 Hwy. 360 Tellico Plains, TN (423) 253-3094 Cherokee offers tent sites, showers, restrooms. Dirt cheap. Other campgrounds are: KOA 7310 Hwy. 360 (423) 253-2447 KOA has primitive campsites, basic cabins, and RV sites. Tellico Plains has 2 bed & breakfasts: Magnolia House 305 Hwy. 165 (423) 253-2022 The Tellico Inn 415 Hunt St. (423) 253-7600 Cabin rentals in the area are: Telliquah Resort 152 Rafter Rd. (423) 253-7360 Tellico Vacation Rentals 113 Scott St. (423) 253-2253 Caney Creek Village 5854 Hwy 360 (423) 253-3670 (800) 251-9658 I have stayed at these cabins. They are very nice, the cost is low. The down side is the driveway - very deep, very loose gravel. They are about 4 miles from Cherokee Campground on the same road. Mountain View Log Cabins 1609 Reliance Rd. (877) 597-0911 Mountain View Cabin Rentals Rafter Road (423) 253-5349 This lady has a 2 bedroom cottage on the Tellico River. I have stayed here also. It is very nice, sleeps up to 6 (I think). Riverbend Cabin Rentals Rafter Road (423) 253-4683 Cabins and cottages on the Tellico River The nearest hotels are in Madisonville, about 15 miles away. Motor Inns of America 4740 New Highway 68 Madisonville, TN (423)442-9045 I've been at this one. Decent. There are a couple of others, but I'm not sure I'd even refer my worst enemy to them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 09:17:21 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 06:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge To: John White , DC Cycles I doubt there are too many assets if she worked at Burger King. That is SO screwed up. Even regular DUI convicts get much more penalties than that. --- John White wrote: > That's f**ked up! Wow! She has to pay some how. > The family should file a > wrongful death suit against her. Tap into her > assets and insurance or > something. I know that won't bring him back, but to > let her just walk away > like that.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Yates" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:39 AM > Subject: DUI killer skates on most serious charge > > > > From today's Times: > > > > DUI driver eludes charge of homicide > > > > > > > > ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (AP) )B— An Ellicott City woman > who was > > legally drunk when she rear-ended a motorcycle > last year, > > killing its rider, faces no more than a year in > prison after > > paying a $275 ticket before she could be charged > with > > vehicular homicide. > > In essence, Susan Elizabeth Williams, 35, > pleaded guilty > > to a lesser charge before a more serious one could > be > > leveled. > > > > "She kind of found a crack in the system," > State's > > Attorney Timothy J. McCrone said. > > As a result, police issued a memo advising > officers not > > to issue tickets for negligent driving in > drunken-driving > > cases involving injuries until the case is > reviewed. > > Miss Williams had faced several charges, > including > > driving while intoxicated and vehicular homicide, > in the > > death of Dennis Jerry Sullivan, 42, a mechanic and > father of > > two. > > Miss Williams had just left work at a Burger > King on > > Baltimore National Pike when she crashed into Mr. > Sullivan. > > Officers tested her on the scene, decided she was > intoxicated > > and arrested her, police spokesman Richard Malcolm > said. > > But because Mr. Sullivan did not appear > critically > > injured )B— although he was taken to a hospital > complaining of > > back injuries )B— the investigating officer did > not call the > > traffic investigation division, which would have > been the > > routine in accidents involving serious injuries, > Mr. Malcolm > > said. > > The officer charged Miss Williams with several > citations > > related to the accident, including negligent > driving. > > Mr. Sullivan died of internal injuries days > later, and > > prosecutors filed papers to drop the lesser > counts. > > In the meantime, Miss Williams had paid the > $275 fine for > > negligent driving. > > A Circuit Court judge agreed and dropped the > vehicular > > homicide charge against Miss Williams on April 1. > On Monday, > > she pleaded not guilty to driving under the > influence but > > waived her right to a trial, and Judge Dennis > Sweeney found > > her guilty. > > Sentencing was set for July 7. > > > > Dave Yates > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 09:32:13 2004 From: Richard Westbrook To: "DC-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Motorcycle Blogs Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:28:44 -0400 Does anyone know of any good web logs about motorcycling? I have read so much about blogs but have yet to find one worth reading. Maybe one with some motorcycle content would make it worth while. -Rich 95 vfr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 09:44:15 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:43:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Richard Westbrook , "DC-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Blogs -----Original Message----- From: Richard Westbrook Does anyone know of any good web logs about motorcycling? I have read so much about blogs but have yet to find one worth reading. Maybe one with some motorcycle content would make it worth while. -Rich 95 vfr ------------- Not really, that I know about. Besides the "real riders" --according the Doug Allis Formula ;-) -- might be too busy riding to devote the kind of time it takes to do a really good blog. I've been keeping a moto journal on-line for about two years now. Follow the link. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 09:53:44 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 09:53:36 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge At 09:16 AM 5/5/2004, you wrote: >I doubt there are too many assets if she worked at >Burger King. That is SO screwed up. Even regular DUI >convicts get much more penalties than that. It wasn't *her* that screwed up either. She did what I'm sure her lawyer recommended she do. It was the *system* that screwed up. Now let me get this straight, she just left work at BK and she was trashed? Since when did BK have an ABC license? 8-P -aki - From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 10:04:19 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 07:04:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge To: Aki Damme , DC Cycles You obviously never worked in a restaurant. --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:16 AM 5/5/2004, you wrote: > >I doubt there are too many assets if she worked at > >Burger King. That is SO screwed up. Even regular > DUI > >convicts get much more penalties than that. > > > It wasn't *her* that screwed up either. She did > what I'm > sure > her lawyer recommended she do. It was the *system* > that > screwed up. > > Now let me get this straight, she just left work at > BK and > she > was trashed? Since when did BK have an ABC license? > 8-P > > -aki > > - > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 10:07:09 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:07:01 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge At 10:04 AM 5/5/2004, Mark Kitchell wrote: >You obviously never worked in a restaurant. ..actually I have but the idea that the BK weenies are running off to the freezer for a quick slug just seems weird. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 10:35:25 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 07:35:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE Mileage Bragging Rights To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX which one does the pc800 have? --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > It's that whole Mods vs Rockers thing don't you know. > > Hugh > > --- Perry Coleman wrote: > > Tom, > > > > Don't bother. It seems to me that Scooter riders (as > opposed to riders named > > Scooter) don't wave at Motorcycle riders and vice > versa. I've sort of, > > hesitantly, waved at a few, but given up since they > never wave back. I just > > don't think they get it... > > > > Perry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:09:20 2004 Cc: "DC-Cycles (E-mail)" From: Sunil Doshi Subject: Re: Motorcycle Blogs Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:09:16 -0400 To: Richard Westbrook Here are two that I check every now and then: http://blogs.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf http://neobike.net/ And mine is listed below, but it's never updated (and of little interest to people other than me!). On May 5, 2004, at 9:28 AM, Richard Westbrook wrote: > Does anyone know of any good web logs about motorcycling? > > I have read so much about blogs but have yet to find one worth reading. > Maybe one with some motorcycle content would make it worth while. > > -Rich > 95 vfr > > sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ '03 Honda Shadow ACE 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:23:45 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:23:27 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge So why can't she be charged with everything she did? She was guilty of negligent driving, but she was also DUI and committed manslaughter. Why can't she be charged with all of them? If they can go after the Rodney King cops for multiple charges based on the same event, why not this woman? -- Mike B. At 08:39 AM 5/5/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >>From today's Times: > >DUI driver eludes charge of homicide > >ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (AP) )B— An Ellicott City woman who was >legally drunk when she rear-ended a motorcycle last year, >killing its rider, faces no more than a year in prison after >paying a $275 ticket before she could be charged with >vehicular homicide. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:23:50 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:25:40 -0400 To: "John White" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge At 09:12 AM 5/5/04 -0400, John White wrote: >That's f**ked up! Wow! She has to pay some how. The family should file a >wrongful death suit against her. Tap into her assets and insurance or >something. I know that won't bring him back, but to let her just walk away >like that.... She works at Burger King...how many assets do you figure she has? She drives drunk, what sort of insurance do you think she has? On the other hand, it says she just left work...drunk. Some smart lawyer may be able to involve Burger King in this...goofier things have happened. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:26:13 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:23:30 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles , sabmag Subject: Road Rash A while back I saw a website where a guy detailed his crash injuries to help encourage folks to wear gear by learning from his mistake. I need to find that site again. A guy I work with rides an R6. He's about 20 or 21. We were leaving work last night at 12:30am, I'm putting on my jacket and gloves. he is just holding his helmet. I say, "did you leave your jacket outside?" "nah... I've got a nice ass jacket, but I never wear it..." He rides off in a polo shirt. sigh. so I want to point him to a graphic display of the risks he's taking. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:33:45 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:33:30 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 I think it has something to do with paying the fine before the other charges could be filed. Basically, by paying the ticket written at the time of the incident, she plead guilty to a lesser charge. If she would not have paid it, they could dismiss the lesser charges and then go after her for the others. Not sure though. Gimer? Scooter In a message dated 5/5/2004 11:23:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > > > So why can't she be charged with everything she did? She was guilty of > negligent driving, but she was also DUI and committed manslaughter. Why > can't she be charged with all of them? > > If they can go after the Rodney King cops for multiple charges based on the > same event, why not this woman? > > -- Mike B. > > At 08:39 AM 5/5/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > >>From today's Times: > > > >DUI driver eludes charge of homicide > > > >ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (AP) â)Bâ‚$)B¬Â)B” An Ellicott City woman who was > >legally drunk when she rear-ended a motorcycle last year, > >killing its rider, faces no more than a year in prison > after > >paying a $275 ticket before she could be charged with > >vehicular homicide. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:34:16 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:34:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Road Rash At 11:23 AM 5/5/2004, Skip wrote: >A guy I work with rides an R6. He's about 20 or 21. We were leaving work >last >night at 12:30am, I'm putting on my jacket and gloves. he is just >holding his >helmet. I say, "did you leave your jacket outside?" "nah... I've got a nice >ass jacket, but I never wear it..." He rides off in a polo shirt. sigh. > >so I want to point him to a graphic display of the risks he's taking. Keep in mind - you run the risk of coming off like the asshats in my building that chose to tell me all about how dangerous riding is and how they know so and so that got killed or maimed riding. Or in college, the guy on the hall that brought full size posters of smokers lungs into our room because my roommate smoked. He got his ass kicked. If he owns a coat and chooses not to wear it, road rash pics aren't going to change his mind. Besides - it was COLD last night and the night before. He must be insane. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:38:33 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:38:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Subject: Re: Road Rash To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.cmyoung.com/bikewreck.html --- Troutman wrote: > At 11:23 AM 5/5/2004, Skip wrote: > >A guy I work with rides an R6. He's about 20 or > 21. We were leaving work > >last > >night at 12:30am, I'm putting on my jacket and > gloves. he is just > >holding his > >helmet. I say, "did you leave your jacket > outside?" "nah... I've got a nice > >ass jacket, but I never wear it..." He rides off > in a polo shirt. sigh. > > > >so I want to point him to a graphic display of the > risks he's taking. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:39:47 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge To: Mike Bartman , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX double jeopardy --- Mike Bartman wrote: > So why can't she be charged with everything she did? She > was guilty of > negligent driving, but she was also DUI and committed > manslaughter. Why > can't she be charged with all of them? > > If they can go after the Rodney King cops for multiple > charges based on the > same event, why not this woman? > > -- Mike B. > > At 08:39 AM 5/5/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > >>From today's Times: > > > >DUI driver eludes charge of homicide > > > >ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (AP) )B— An Ellicott City woman who > was > >legally drunk when she rear-ended a motorcycle last > year, > >killing its rider, faces no more than a year in prison > after > >paying a $275 ticket before she could be charged with > >vehicular homicide. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:40:51 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: Road Rash To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > If he owns a coat and chooses not to wear it, road > rash pics aren't going > to change his mind. I see it all the time on the road and the way i see it, its their choice. They are adults and they can make their own decisions. If they wanna get skinned alive by the tarmac, by all means let them eat cake. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:41:56 2004 Subject: Road Rash Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:45:30 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" If you recall I mentioned a sense of foreboding a few weeks ago. Wednesday last, three of us were riding to Adams Morgan- all in protective gear. An r6 and a Ducati monster sharing one lane. An R6 in the other. We were joking around (visors up) and having a general good time. We are at Florida and 18th street. The light goes green and we all take off. A second later, a taxi makes a left turn into our path. I have to brake sharply and turn left. Ducati stops safely. The third R6 rider, mashed on his brakes to the point the rear wheel was well off the ground. He t-bones into the cab. Hurt wrist, damaged rims and ruined forks as well as broken brake lever. The law took a good hour to arrive, even after I made an appearance at local station. Taxi driver gets a ticket. Night is ruined and we all feel bad. Last night, a gent walks into my bar with tremendous lumps, scrapes, wrist case and other wrist bandages. Bar fight or moto accident. He was cut off by a cab turning into his lane. His destroyed Ducati 748s pin wheeled. He slid eighty feet or so in a t-shirt. He has a broken wrist- two places, a sprained wrist and his skin looks like some sort of gravel-human tissue pock marked hybrid. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:43:30 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road Rash On Wed, 5 May 2004, Troutman wrote: > >so I want to point him to a graphic display of the risks he's taking. > > Keep in mind - you run the risk of coming off like the asshats in my > building that chose to tell me all about how dangerous riding is and how > they know so and so that got killed or maimed riding. I tend to agree with Troutman, no amount of dogma or preaching is going to help if they guy insists on being an idiot. FWIW, though, here's a tale from someone who used to read dc-cycles many years ago [1]. Kinda hit home for me, as I was at the gathering he was going home from when this happened: http://www.dd.org/~tale/bikewreck/ [1] Some of the older readers and folks who have been around the net since the dark ages may know of him too... -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:44:17 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:41:37 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road Rash that's the one. thanks! Bryce wrote: > > http://www.cmyoung.com/bikewreck.html > > --- Troutman wrote: > > At 11:23 AM 5/5/2004, Skip wrote: > > >A guy I work with rides an R6. He's about 20 or > > 21. We were leaving work > > >last > > >night at 12:30am, I'm putting on my jacket and > > gloves. he is just > > >holding his > > >helmet. I say, "did you leave your jacket > > outside?" "nah... I've got a nice > > >ass jacket, but I never wear it..." He rides off > > in a polo shirt. sigh. > > > > > >so I want to point him to a graphic display of the > > risks he's taking. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:46:59 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:44:19 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road Rash I'm willing to be the asshat once. I figure, maybe he doens't know... maybe he just needs to see the possible results. kind of like they do in driver's ed, where they show you the results of an accident where one guy was wearing his seatbelt and the other wasn't. Some people learn from that shit, me being one of them. :~) I was -well- known for wearing my seatbelt in highschool, and walked away unscathed from 3 crashes that wounded the other occupants. No... I wans't the driver in any of them... but yeah, it was the same driver all three times :~) No one else would ride with the guy, so I always had shotgun. ;-D and yeah, it was pretty chilly last night. I got a bit cold on my 5 minute ride home. dunno how he made it the 30 minutes out to his place in leesburg... --skip Troutman wrote: > > At 11:23 AM 5/5/2004, Skip wrote: > >A guy I work with rides an R6. He's about 20 or 21. We were leaving work > >last > >night at 12:30am, I'm putting on my jacket and gloves. he is just > >holding his > >helmet. I say, "did you leave your jacket outside?" "nah... I've got a nice > >ass jacket, but I never wear it..." He rides off in a polo shirt. sigh. > > > >so I want to point him to a graphic display of the risks he's taking. > > Keep in mind - you run the risk of coming off like the asshats in my > building that chose to tell me all about how dangerous riding is and how > they know so and so that got killed or maimed riding. > > Or in college, the guy on the hall that brought full size posters of > smokers lungs into our room because my roommate smoked. He got his ass > kicked. > > If he owns a coat and chooses not to wear it, road rash pics aren't going > to change his mind. > > Besides - it was COLD last night and the night before. He must be insane. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > One who knows the enemy and knows himself > will not be in danger in a hundred battles. > One who does not know the enemy but knows himself > will sometimes win, sometimes lose. > One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself > will be in danger in every battle. > - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:50:23 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:50:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road Rash -----Original Message----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" On Wed, 5 May 2004, Troutman wrote: > >so I want to point him to a graphic display of the risks he's taking. > > Keep in mind - you run the risk of coming off like the asshats in my > building that chose to tell me all about how dangerous riding is and how > they know so and so that got killed or maimed riding. I tend to agree with Troutman, no amount of dogma or preaching is going to help if they guy insists on being an idiot. --------------- Dogma and preaching, or "information"? Put the information in their hands. If they still choose to ignore it, they've made an informed choice, albeit a poor one. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:53:59 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:53:47 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road Rash X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 I personally think all hackycab drivers in the DC metro area are agents of Satan. Only one out of 1000 speaks english, knows where they are going and doesn't drive like an asshole. The rest think that they own the roads and everyone else, pedestrians on the sidewalks also, be damned. I avoid taxis as much as possible because of this fact. Scooter (taxius-avoidicus to the maximus) In a message dated 5/5/2004 11:45:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > If you recall I mentioned a sense of foreboding a few weeks ago. > Wednesday last, three of us were riding to Adams Morgan- all in > protective gear. An r6 and a Ducati monster sharing one lane. An R6 in > the other. We were joking around (visors up) and having a general good > time. We are at Florida and 18th street. The light goes green and we all > take off. A second later, a taxi makes a left turn into our path. I > have to brake sharply and turn left. Ducati stops safely. The third R6 > rider, mashed on his brakes to the point the rear wheel was well off the > ground. He t-bones into the cab. Hurt wrist, damaged rims and ruined > forks as well as broken brake lever. The law took a good hour to > arrive, even after I made an appearance at local station. Taxi driver > gets a ticket. Night is ruined and we all feel bad. > > > Last night, a gent walks into my bar with tremendous lumps, scrapes, > wrist case and other wrist bandages. Bar fight or moto accident. He was > cut off by a cab turning into his lane. His destroyed Ducati 748s pin > wheeled. He slid eighty feet or so in a t-shirt. He has a broken wrist- > two places, a sprained wrist and his skin looks like some > sort of > gravel-human tissue pock marked hybrid. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:57:20 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:57:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Road Rash At 11:50 AM 5/5/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >Dogma and preaching, or "information"? Put the information in their >hands. If they still choose to ignore it, they've made an informed >choice, albeit a poor one. If he rides and he owns a jacket, he has the information already. I'm about to ride to lunch. I'm not wearing my Phoenix pants, just my slacks and Kenya jacket for the two mile trip at low speed. I am aware of the risk, I have the information. Why isn't it 90 and humid yet? This is still DC isn't it? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 11:58:49 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:56:09 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road Rash Paul Wilson wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Daniel H. Brown" > > On Wed, 5 May 2004, Troutman wrote: > > >so I want to point him to a graphic display of the risks he's taking. > > > > Keep in mind - you run the risk of coming off like the asshats in my > > building that chose to tell me all about how dangerous riding is and how > > they know so and so that got killed or maimed riding. > > I tend to agree with Troutman, no amount of dogma or preaching is going > to help if they guy insists on being an idiot. > > --------------- > > Dogma and preaching, or "information"? Put the information in their hands. If they still choose to ignore it, they've made an informed choice, albeit a poor one. > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] That's where I'm coming from. I'll make sure he knows the additional ricks he's taking and leave it at that. I do the same thing with newbies in skydiving doing stupid things... I let them know what they did wrong, what could happen and let them make the decision as to whether or not to mitigate or accept that risk. If I know that they are doign something that increases their risk, and they don't know it, and I don't say anything, I am complicitous in their stupidity. once they know, the onus is on them to address or accept the outcome. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 12:01:16 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:58:37 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road Rash Troutman wrote: > > At 11:50 AM 5/5/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > >Dogma and preaching, or "information"? Put the information in their > >hands. If they still choose to ignore it, they've made an informed > >choice, albeit a poor one. > > If he rides and he owns a jacket, he has the information already. > > I'm about to ride to lunch. I'm not wearing my Phoenix pants, just my > slacks and Kenya jacket for the two mile trip at low speed. I am aware of > the risk, I have the information. > > Why isn't it 90 and humid yet? This is still DC isn't it? I'm betting he bought the jacket because it matched the bike, like the helmet. like I said. I tell him once, and then my conscience will be clear. it is, after all, about me. :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 12:05:14 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:05:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road Rash -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX I personally think all hackycab drivers in the DC metro area are agents of Satan. Only one out of 1000 speaks english, knows where they are going and doesn't drive like an asshole. The rest think that they own the roads and everyone else, pedestrians on the sidewalks also, be damned. I avoid taxis as much as possible because of this fact. Scooter (taxius-avoidicus to the maximus) -------- Yeah, you'd think they'd get better out of sheer repetition. As for not knowing where they're going, I stepped into a cab in front of my house, and (as Dave Barry sez) I swear I'm not making this up, the cabbie asks me for the best way to get to National Airport. Criminy, you only go there, what, fifty-sixty times a week and need directions! ::eye roll:: And don't even get me started on that cockamamie zone system that's tailor-made for fleecing clueless out of towners. It's a shame they're not all yellow, like NYC. It makes 'em easier to spot and avoid. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 12:10:02 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Road Rash To: Paul Wilson , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bunch of BABIES! I love DC cabs. If you know the zone system it can be very beneficial to your wallet. I know it better than the cabbies. SOme interesting drivers too, many african doctors, middle eastern professors, etc. I have left many boring dinner parties only to have engaging intellectual discussions with the cabbie. Last interesting ride was with a hatian voodoo practitioner. Don't cross me. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > I personally think all hackycab drivers in the DC > metro area are agents of Satan. Only one out of > 1000 speaks english, knows where they are going and > doesn't drive like an asshole. The rest think that > they own the roads and everyone else, pedestrians on > the sidewalks also, be damned. I avoid taxis as > much as possible because of this fact. > > Scooter (taxius-avoidicus to the maximus) > > -------- > Yeah, you'd think they'd get better out of sheer > repetition. As for not knowing where they're going, > I stepped into a cab in front of my house, and (as > Dave Barry sez) I swear I'm not making this up, the > cabbie asks me for the best way to get to National > Airport. Criminy, you only go there, what, > fifty-sixty times a week and need directions! ::eye > roll:: > > And don't even get me started on that cockamamie > zone system that's tailor-made for fleecing clueless > out of towners. It's a shame they're not all > yellow, like NYC. It makes 'em easier to spot and > avoid. > > > > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 12:15:26 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:17:51 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge Non-responsive. Double Jeopardy has to do with being tried twice for the *same offense*. Driving drunk, negligent driving, and manslaughter are not the same offense...though they are often committed simultaneously. In the Rodney King case the officers were charged with things like excessive use of force, and found innocent. Then they were charged with violation of civil rights for the same actions...and convicted. If that wasn't double jeopardy, then charging this woman with manslaughter now wouldn't be either. The "pleading guilty to a lesser charge" thing is plea bargaining. That's the "if you'll agree you did X, we will agree not to go after you for Y". It hasn't got anything to do with double jeopardy. It's an efficiency thing in the system to let more cases get settled *somehow* in a given time and with given resources. It's expediency, not justice. -- Mike B. At 08:39 AM 5/5/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >double jeopardy > > > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> So why can't she be charged with everything she did? She >> was guilty of >> negligent driving, but she was also DUI and committed >> manslaughter. Why >> can't she be charged with all of them? >> >> If they can go after the Rodney King cops for multiple >> charges based on the >> same event, why not this woman? >> >> -- Mike B. >> >> At 08:39 AM 5/5/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >> >>From today's Times: >> > >> >DUI driver eludes charge of homicide >> > >> >ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (AP) )B— An Ellicott City woman who >> was >> >legally drunk when she rear-ended a motorcycle last >> year, >> >killing its rider, faces no more than a year in prison >> after >> >paying a $275 ticket before she could be charged with >> >vehicular homicide. >> > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 12:22:14 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:22:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Taxis was Re: Road Rash On Wed, 5 May 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > Yeah, you'd think they'd get better out of sheer repetition. As for not > knowing where they're going, I stepped into a cab in front of my house, and > (as Dave Barry sez) I swear I'm not making this up, the cabbie asks me for > the best way to get to National Airport. Criminy, you only go there, what, > fifty-sixty times a week and need directions! ::eye roll:: That, my son, is a test to see what kinda chump you are. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 12:35:02 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:34:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge To: Mike Bartman , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > Non-responsive. i have no details to work with other than the blurb, but my bet is that the decision in this case turned on the concept of double jeopardy. > Double Jeopardy has to do with being tried twice for the > *same offense*. and, paying a fine often constitutes "being tried." > Driving drunk, negligent driving, and manslaughter are > not the same > offense...though they are often committed simultaneously. being convicted of a lesser included offense often bars a subsequent proceeding based upon the offense which, for whatever reason, was not charged or pursued. > In the Rodney King case the officers were charged with > things like > excessive use of force, and found innocent. Then they > were charged with > violation of civil rights for the same actions...and > convicted. If that > wasn't double jeopardy, then charging this woman with > manslaughter now > wouldn't be either. is this the rodney king case we're discussing? no? then the above is a perfect model example of non-responsiveness. > The "pleading guilty to a lesser charge" thing is plea > bargaining. That's > the "if you'll agree you did X, we will agree not to go > after you for Y". > It hasn't got anything to do with double jeopardy. It's > an efficiency > thing in the system to let more cases get settled > *somehow* in a given time > and with given resources. It's expediency, not justice. and i now officially have no idea what you're talking about. all i heard is somebody paid a ticket and then the state was barred from proceeding on a subsequent charge which arose out of the same facts and circumstances. > At 08:39 AM 5/5/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >double jeopardy > > > > > > > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> So why can't she be charged with everything she did? > She > >> was guilty of > >> negligent driving, but she was also DUI and committed > >> manslaughter. Why > >> can't she be charged with all of them? > >> > >> If they can go after the Rodney King cops for multiple > >> charges based on the > >> same event, why not this woman? > >> > >> -- Mike B. > >> > >> At 08:39 AM 5/5/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > >> >>From today's Times: > >> > > >> >DUI driver eludes charge of homicide > >> > > >> >ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (AP) )B— An Ellicott City woman > who > >> was > >> >legally drunk when she rear-ended a motorcycle last > >> year, > >> >killing its rider, faces no more than a year in > prison > >> after > >> >paying a $275 ticket before she could be charged with > > >> >vehicular homicide. ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com **This material is being sent by a law firm and is intended only for the addressee. Various legal protections including the attorney-client privilege can apply to this material and no consent is given to its being read or used by anyone other than the intended recipient. Any other use is unlawful. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 13:22:21 2004 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:22:16 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Road Rash To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Kitchell writes: >Bunch of BABIES! I love DC cabs. If you know the >zone system it can be very beneficial to your wallet. >I know it better than the cabbies. SOme interesting >drivers too, many african doctors, middle eastern >professors, etc. I have left many boring dinner >parties only to have engaging intellectual >discussions with the cabbie. [Dave] As a comment and opinion, I would offer that my cab rides around here have been absolutely sedate compared to the one trip I made to Philly for a few days on the company dime. Those cabbies were fearless. Foolhardy in fact. The concierge did manage to land us some more calm drivers on the last day I was there though... I didn't find these guys interesting, I found them to be road menaces... ;-) > >Last interesting ride was with a hatian voodoo >practitioner. Don't cross me. [Dave] Bah ! My voodoo powers are far beyond yours! I've been pinning my Admin's Voodoo doll for about 1 year 5 months now since she got me sick with some form of cold virus. I don't even hide it from anyone. Yes, I do get some furrowed brows, and disapproving scowls, and yes, I should use my powers only for good, but she deserves it! ;-) Dave > > >--- Paul Wilson wrote: >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >> >> I personally think all hackycab drivers in the DC >> metro area are agents of Satan. Only one out of >> 1000 speaks english, knows where they are going and >> doesn't drive like an asshole. The rest think that >> they own the roads and everyone else, pedestrians on >> the sidewalks also, be damned. I avoid taxis as >> much as possible because of this fact. >> >> Scooter (taxius-avoidicus to the maximus) >> >> -------- >> Yeah, you'd think they'd get better out of sheer >> repetition. As for not knowing where they're going, >> I stepped into a cab in front of my house, and (as >> Dave Barry sez) I swear I'm not making this up, the >> cabbie asks me for the best way to get to National >> Airport. Criminy, you only go there, what, >> fifty-sixty times a week and need directions! ::eye >> roll:: >> >> And don't even get me started on that cockamamie >> zone system that's tailor-made for fleecing clueless >> out of towners. It's a shame they're not all >> yellow, like NYC. It makes 'em easier to spot and >> avoid. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >> 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] >> > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 13:31:02 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:30:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Screw Taxis..check THIS out. good god...and to think we're bitching about cicadas... Just pulled this off of r.m.h. ************************************************************************** Howdy, thought I had remembered seeing something on Nova or something dealing with all the nasty things crawling around Australia, (not just the men and some women..) So, I went and looked this up.. Oh, little did I know that even the Platypus has a toxic bite, who woulda thunk.. "Hello, I'm Doug, and I've approved this message" http://www.abc.net.au/science/slab/shorter/story.htm Along with the red-back and its mythical toilet-seat antics, the funnel web spider holds a special place in the Australian psyche. But what most people think of as "the funnel web" is actually a collection of about 35 different species of spiders, most of which are dangerous. The one that gets most publicity is the Sydney funnel web (Atrax robustus), the species responsible for Australia's 13 recorded funnel web fatalities. The males are the deadly ones and Jamie Fletcher, who studies funnel web toxins at the University of Sydney, says the venom is packed with at least 40 different toxic proteins (called peptides). Only one of them is dangerous to humans as far as anyone can tell, but it's more than effective enough on its own. Called robustoxin, the peptide is another neurotoxin that disrupts nerve signals. However, it works in the opposite way to the taipan venom. Instead of shutting-down nerve signalling, it switches it all on at once causing massive electrical over-load in the body's nervous system. The protein attaches itself to nerve synapses and prevents them from switching off - salivary glands, tear ducts and sweat glands all start running uncontrollably, muscles begin to spasm, blood pressure climbs as blood vessels contract and then falls to dangerously low levels. Ultimately, most funnel web fatalities occur from either cardiac arrest or a condition known as pulmonary oedema, where the capillaries around the lungs begin to leak and the patient effectively drowns. Death can come as quickly as two hours after a bite. (sounds like a very unpleasant way to go, much rather just have my CNS go and put me down fairly quietly, this is like death by an "Ebola Bite") ************************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 14:34:59 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Road Rash Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:34:43 -0400 Well said. I ride with my father in law who never wears any gear aside from a 3/4 helmet. I joke around with him and say he better protect that art work I designed for him (tattoos). He knows about the risks and besides my wife gives him grief about not wearing gear. I can't wait till those cicadas come out he'll where gear then. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road Rash At 11:50 AM 5/5/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >Dogma and preaching, or "information"? Put the information in their >hands. If they still choose to ignore it, they've made an informed >choice, albeit a poor one. If he rides and he owns a jacket, he has the information already. I'm about to ride to lunch. I'm not wearing my Phoenix pants, just my slacks and Kenya jacket for the two mile trip at low speed. I am aware of the risk, I have the information. Why isn't it 90 and humid yet? This is still DC isn't it? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 14:38:10 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:40:48 -0400 To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Screw Taxis..check THIS out. At 01:30 PM 5/5/04 -0400, Aki Damme wrote: >Oh, little did I know that even the Platypus has a toxic >bite, who woulda thunk.. Only those who haven't read carefully about Platypi? They don't have a toxic bite. The males do have a poisonous spur on the rear legs though. I don't believe they ride though. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 5 14:39:42 2004 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:37:14 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DUI killer skates on most serious charge At 09:34 AM 5/5/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> Double Jeopardy has to do with being tried twice for the >> *same offense*. > >and, paying a fine often constitutes "being tried." Yes, for the offense one is paying the fine for. Not for other offenses one may or may not have committed. >> Driving drunk, negligent driving, and manslaughter are >> not the same >> offense...though they are often committed simultaneously. > >being convicted of a lesser included offense often bars a >subsequent proceeding based upon the offense which, for >whatever reason, was not charged or pursued. I don't know what often happens. I'm talking about what should be happening. Often the officer at the scene will fail to cite for a given offense. Does that mean that all such offenses should be excused? Of course not. Does pleading guilty to burglary excuse me from a charge of murder of a resident of the dwelling committed as part of that burglary? If not, why should pleading guilty to negligent driving excuse manslaughter? If you say it's because the charges were already brought for the lesser offense, and pled to, what if the murder wasn't discovered until a week after I'd been arrested for the burglary? Any change in the situation? If not, I think we have a loophole that will allow murder to be committed. Just commit it in conjunction with some lesser crime, make sure the murder isn't discovered until after you've been arrested, charged and pled guilty to the lesser charge, and you are home free. "Doubl