From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 06:47:54 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Videos A couple of videos from 'Vegas trip organized by some riders on the 'Busa message board: vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction.wmv (small ~20mb version) vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (large ~144mb version) vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (small ~8mb version) vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/crazytrain.wmv (large ~86mb version) Some guys on the board asked if he was geared up in the first video. The bike is stock. He, and the others with him on the trip, said the sensation of speed doesn't translate into the video. The cars they were passing in the desert were generally moving at 90 or more. Just passing on some enjoyable viewing. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 06:52:17 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:03:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Videos On Thu, 1 May 2003, Wayne Edelen wrote: > A couple of videos from 'Vegas trip organized by some riders on the 'Busa > message board: > > vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction.wmv (small ~20mb version) > vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (large ~144mb version) > > vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (small ~8mb version) > vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/crazytrain.wmv (large ~86mb version) Oops, the small version of vid 2 is http://216.93.190.20/crazytrain-SM.wmv :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 07:31:12 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: Subject: Re: Videos Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:27:25 -0400 On Thursday 01 May 2003 06:58, Wayne Edelen wrote: > A couple of videos from 'Vegas trip organized by some riders on the 'Busa > message board: > > vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction.wmv (small ~20mb version) > vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (large ~144mb version) > > vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (small ~8mb version) > vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/crazytrain.wmv (large ~86mb version) > > Some guys on the board asked if he was geared up in the first video. The > bike is stock. He, and the others with him on the trip, said the > sensation of speed doesn't translate into the video. The cars they were > passing in the desert were generally moving at 90 or more. > > Just passing on some enjoyable viewing. :-) > Ah well. Can't view the proprietary formatted media. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 07:58:54 2003 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:34:36 -0400 From: Tom de To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Videos Carl (and others fighting the empire), Sounds like you need: http://xinehq.de/ or http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design6/news.html both compile on solaris and come with windows dll's. And there are mozilla plugins (that opera can use). You'll be able to view apple's quicktime and windows avi/wmv. 'busas are damn fast. Tom de '98 VTR Carl Schelin wrote: >On Thursday 01 May 2003 06:58, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >>A couple of videos from 'Vegas trip organized by some riders on the 'Busa >>message board: >> >>vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction.wmv (small ~20mb version) >>vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (large ~144mb version) >> >>vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (small ~8mb version) >>vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/crazytrain.wmv (large ~86mb version) >> >>Some guys on the board asked if he was geared up in the first video. The >>bike is stock. He, and the others with him on the trip, said the >>sensation of speed doesn't translate into the video. The cars they were >>passing in the desert were generally moving at 90 or more. >> >>Just passing on some enjoyable viewing. :-) >> >> >> > >Ah well. Can't view the proprietary formatted media. > >Carl > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 08:03:24 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:03:19 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Videos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >A couple of videos from 'Vegas trip organized by some riders on the 'Busa >message board: [Dave] Thanks Wayne... The morning's a little brighter... 2 things I noticed were (and I only viewed most of the 1st one ) - 1: Not a whole lotta horizon tilting to be had there... 2: They're not as Eyeabusive from the cockpit ;-) well, ok, 3 things If I read things right, at indicated 170, he still had a little over 1k rpms left to red line... I only run 2 more teeth in the rear sprocket... Of course, there's no real _practical_ places around here to uncork that kind of speed... As the geezer in the '76 Buick station wagon with wood on the sides taught me ;-) Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 08:18:44 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: Tom de , "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Videos Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:15:08 -0400 On Wednesday 30 April 2003 19:34, Tom de wrote: > Carl (and others fighting the empire), > Sounds like you need: > http://xinehq.de/ > or > http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design6/news.html > Windows DLLs on my Solaris box? I've begun the download process for mplayer. I see the OGG packages as well so I'm more interested in that than the windows FPOS. Thanks for the pointers. > both compile on solaris and come with windows dll's. And there are > mozilla plugins (that opera can use). You'll be able to view apple's > quicktime and windows avi/wmv. > > > 'busas are damn fast. > Yea but Windows is damn slow ;-) > Tom de '98 VTR > -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:10:45 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 09:09:46 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: bare bones minimum... Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. My previous scoots: A 90cc Kawi street bike. WOT it would do 70 at a zillion RPM, and if I tucked in it would get up to 77 at a gazillion RPM. Not very comfy, and the two-stroker would fry a plug every 100 miles or so at that speed. 250cc Kawi triple. That sucker would spin up to triple digits, but it handled like a pig. Also fried the center plug at Warp 3 speeds. Not to mention the buzz would numb your paws, your feet, and your ass. 350cc Honda, 4-stroke twin. Gag and puke. Without a doubt the worst handling bike I've ever owned. At 80 it was dangerous, despirately wanting to go into a dreaded tank slapper. However, the engine was bulletproof and would crank all day long without a whimper. 550cc Suzuki: The best bike I owned. 4 cyl UJM. Solid handling, a dream to ride, turned in 58 MPG at Warp 3 and never missed a beat. That one had a frame mount Quicksilver fairing and tail trunk. I piled the miles up on that puppy, more than adequate for the long haul. 1340 EVO Harley bagger. Okay, very comfy on the road, lots of storage space, but it's aerodynamically dirty and the milage at road speed blows. Not known for handling, but the Hawg is very forgiving. It will accept radical changes in speed while blazing thru a turn without getting twitchy. But it do suck gas. I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a well engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:31:11 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In Europe Honda and Kawasaki both sell a parrallel twin 500cc bike. Ride magazine talked about these as popular city bikes, but would work do alright on the highway also. A GS500 with a tailpack and mounted screen is probably the minimum bike you can get in the US. In Germany I rented a Honda Deauville, which is a 650 vtwin with full fairing and integrated luggage. Weight brought the fuel efficiency down, but it was a very practical and easy to handle touring bike. Keith > > I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a > well engineered > *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing > and tail trunk. > Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. > > Bill > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:32:15 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:32:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bill ponders - >Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive >a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a >frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but no side >bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab speeds of >steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. > >My previous scoots: ... >I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a well >engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing >and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. [Dave] It depends on whether you're asking what is the bare bones minimum hp needed to drive a bare bones minimum standard motorcycle with economical & efficient fairing down the highway at speeds of 75-80 mph, or to be able to cruise comfortably at that speed (not topped out). This 'econobike', would not have top speed for a goal, nor handling, so it won't need the 'widest, stickiest gumball tires, but still radials. I'll bet our econobike could get by with a 300cc twin, maybe a hair less. I'm guessing to be comfortable cruising at 75-80, you'll need 35-40 hp peak, and enough torque to get it to that speed, making a twin not such a bad idea. I'm guessing also that an econo-scoot could be pared down to about 300# wet, and have an overdrive. You may be able to get by with 25-30 hp, but that would be a stretch... IIRC, an evo big twin with ~55 hp, tops out just around the ton mark. Clean up the air, drop 200 pounds, and I think 35 hp would be enough to comfortably (well, reasonably so) cruise 75... of course, that's accounting for the far superior chain drive, using synthetic oil, with chain wax, and no rear brake... ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:40:53 2003 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:16:54 -0400 From: Tom de To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Holly crap! this sounds like a scooter discussion. The silverwing is a parrallel twin (650cc), Suzuki make big (250cc++) scooters. Tom de '98 VTR - i need to wash my hands now... scooters, eeww Dave Yates wrote: >Bill ponders - > > >>Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive >>a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a >>frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but no side >>bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab speeds of >>steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. >> >>My previous scoots: >> >> > > > >... > > >>I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a well >>engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing >>and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. >> >> > >[Dave] It depends on whether you're asking what is the bare >bones minimum hp needed to drive a bare bones minimum >standard motorcycle with economical & efficient fairing down >the highway at speeds of 75-80 mph, or to be able to cruise >comfortably at that speed (not topped out). >This 'econobike', would not have top speed for a goal, nor >handling, so it won't need the 'widest, stickiest gumball >tires, but still radials. I'll bet our econobike could get >by with a 300cc twin, maybe a hair less. I'm guessing to be >comfortable cruising at 75-80, you'll need 35-40 hp peak, and >enough torque to get it to that speed, making a twin not such >a bad idea. I'm guessing also that an econo-scoot could be >pared down to about 300# wet, and have an overdrive. You may >be able to get by with 25-30 hp, but that would be a >stretch... IIRC, an evo big twin with ~55 hp, tops out just >around the ton mark. Clean up the air, drop 200 pounds, and >I think 35 hp would be enough to comfortably (well, >reasonably so) cruise 75... > >of course, that's accounting for the far superior chain >drive, using synthetic oil, with chain wax, and no rear >brake... ;-) > > >Dave Yates > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:49:22 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX My old Kawi 454 LTD had belt drive, 454cc vertical-twin engine, probably around 40hp, top speed of 100. If you put on a fairing on the front and a milk crate on the back seat, you'd essentially have what you guys are talking about. It cost me $500 IIRC. Chris Weaver --- Dave Yates wrote: > Bill ponders - > >Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP > to drive > >a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road > bike with a > >frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but > no side > >bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab > speeds of > >steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. > > > >My previous scoots: > > > > ... > >I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a > well > >engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame > mount fairing > >and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around > 500cc. > > [Dave] It depends on whether you're asking what is > the bare > bones minimum hp needed to drive a bare bones > minimum > standard motorcycle with economical & efficient > fairing down > the highway at speeds of 75-80 mph, or to be able to > cruise > comfortably at that speed (not topped out). > This 'econobike', would not have top speed for a > goal, nor > handling, so it won't need the 'widest, stickiest > gumball > tires, but still radials. I'll bet our econobike > could get > by with a 300cc twin, maybe a hair less. I'm > guessing to be > comfortable cruising at 75-80, you'll need 35-40 hp > peak, and > enough torque to get it to that speed, making a twin > not such > a bad idea. I'm guessing also that an econo-scoot > could be > pared down to about 300# wet, and have an overdrive. > You may > be able to get by with 25-30 hp, but that would be a > > stretch... IIRC, an evo big twin with ~55 hp, tops > out just > around the ton mark. Clean up the air, drop 200 > pounds, and > I think 35 hp would be enough to comfortably (well, > reasonably so) cruise 75... > > of course, that's accounting for the far superior > chain > drive, using synthetic oil, with chain wax, and no > rear > brake... ;-) > > > Dave Yates > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:50:09 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: bare bones minimum... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:50:06 -0400 If you're shooting for mileage: (1) Aerodynamics. Most of your friction at 75 mph is air. #1, I think, would be the Eyeabuser. (2) Rolling friction: Trade in wide stickies for narrow hards. Think road bicycle. (3) Engine: Along with (1), biggest factor in gas mileage. I'll bet dollars to donuts that a v. smart mechanic could take the Eyeabuser and remap the EFI for mileage (lean, lean, lean). It'd still be a HP vice MPG design, but pretty good. If money is no object in your quest, rip out the engine, replace with some super efficient & small lean-burn four stroke that is operating at max efficiency at highway rpms. Minimum theoretical HP would be: HPmin = Constant * Force * speed Constant = buncha unit conversions to make it come out in HP Force = rolling friction + air resistance Rolling friction is something like: Ffr = cf * Weight of bike&rider Where cf is coefficient of rolling friction, dependant on tire deformation and adhesion to road surface Air friction is: Fafr = constants * velocity**2 Where constants are drag coefficient, cross sectional area, and air density Note that air friction goes up as square of velocity, but rolling friction is constant. When you calc HPmin, you multiply by speed (again!), so that's why 55mph is better than 75mph for gas mileage. Bottom line: I'll bet it takes on the order of a half dozen horsepower to maintain highway speed. --jon -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:10 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bare bones minimum... Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. My previous scoots: A 90cc Kawi street bike. WOT it would do 70 at a zillion RPM, and if I tucked in it would get up to 77 at a gazillion RPM. Not very comfy, and the two-stroker would fry a plug every 100 miles or so at that speed. 250cc Kawi triple. That sucker would spin up to triple digits, but it handled like a pig. Also fried the center plug at Warp 3 speeds. Not to mention the buzz would numb your paws, your feet, and your ass. 350cc Honda, 4-stroke twin. Gag and puke. Without a doubt the worst handling bike I've ever owned. At 80 it was dangerous, despirately wanting to go into a dreaded tank slapper. However, the engine was bulletproof and would crank all day long without a whimper. 550cc Suzuki: The best bike I owned. 4 cyl UJM. Solid handling, a dream to ride, turned in 58 MPG at Warp 3 and never missed a beat. That one had a frame mount Quicksilver fairing and tail trunk. I piled the miles up on that puppy, more than adequate for the long haul. 1340 EVO Harley bagger. Okay, very comfy on the road, lots of storage space, but it's aerodynamically dirty and the milage at road speed blows. Not known for handling, but the Hawg is very forgiving. It will accept radical changes in speed while blazing thru a turn without getting twitchy. But it do suck gas. I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a well engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:54:30 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" My Ninja 250 has a tall windscreen and a large tail trunk. It's got 27 HP and will run at 75+ all day. The fastest I've ever seen on it was 95, but there was a bit of help with gravity to get to that. It'll get pretty close to 90 on the level. It's sold as a sport bike, but the ergonomics really aren't much different than a standard. It's built for short folks, so the pegs are a bit high, but other than that it's good. Leon. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP > to drive a scoot down > the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame > mount fairing and > at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up > the airflow. Figure > super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with > traffic. > > My previous scoots: > > A 90cc Kawi street bike. WOT it would do 70 at a > zillion RPM, and if I > tucked in it would get up to 77 at a gazillion RPM. > Not very comfy, and > the two-stroker would fry a plug every 100 miles or > so at that speed. > > 250cc Kawi triple. That sucker would spin up to > triple digits, but it > handled like a pig. Also fried the center plug at > Warp 3 speeds. Not > to mention the buzz would numb your paws, your > feet, and your ass. > > 350cc Honda, 4-stroke twin. Gag and puke. Without a > doubt the worst > handling bike I've ever owned. At 80 it was > dangerous, despirately > wanting to go into a dreaded tank slapper. However, > the engine was > bulletproof and would crank all day long without a > whimper. > > 550cc Suzuki: The best bike I owned. 4 cyl UJM. > Solid handling, a > dream to ride, turned in 58 MPG at Warp 3 and never > missed a beat. That > one had a frame mount Quicksilver fairing and tail > trunk. I piled the > miles up on that puppy, more than adequate for the > long haul. > > 1340 EVO Harley bagger. Okay, very comfy on the > road, lots of storage > space, but it's aerodynamically dirty and the milage > at road speed > blows. Not known for handling, but the Hawg is very > forgiving. It will > accept radical changes in speed while blazing thru a > turn without > getting twitchy. But it do suck gas. > > I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a > well engineered > *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing > and tail trunk. > Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. > > Bill > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 10:15:38 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "'William J. Huson'" , Subject: RE: bare bones minimum... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:15:34 -0400 So, if we assume max HP at 90 mph, and all due to air friction: HP=k*v**3 27 = k*90**3 k= 3.7*10**-5 HP at 60 mph = 3.7*10**-5 * 60**3 HP at 60 mph = 8.0 --jon -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:54 AM To: William J. Huson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... My Ninja 250 has a tall windscreen and a large tail trunk. It's got 27 HP and will run at 75+ all day. The fastest I've ever seen on it was 95, but there was a bit of help with gravity to get to that. It'll get pretty close to 90 on the level. It's sold as a sport bike, but the ergonomics really aren't much different than a standard. It's built for short folks, so the pegs are a bit high, but other than that it's good. Leon. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP > to drive a scoot down > the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame > mount fairing and > at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up > the airflow. Figure > super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with > traffic. > > My previous scoots: > > A 90cc Kawi street bike. WOT it would do 70 at a > zillion RPM, and if I > tucked in it would get up to 77 at a gazillion RPM. > Not very comfy, and > the two-stroker would fry a plug every 100 miles or > so at that speed. > > 250cc Kawi triple. That sucker would spin up to > triple digits, but it > handled like a pig. Also fried the center plug at > Warp 3 speeds. Not > to mention the buzz would numb your paws, your > feet, and your ass. > > 350cc Honda, 4-stroke twin. Gag and puke. Without a > doubt the worst > handling bike I've ever owned. At 80 it was > dangerous, despirately > wanting to go into a dreaded tank slapper. However, > the engine was > bulletproof and would crank all day long without a > whimper. > > 550cc Suzuki: The best bike I owned. 4 cyl UJM. > Solid handling, a > dream to ride, turned in 58 MPG at Warp 3 and never > missed a beat. That > one had a frame mount Quicksilver fairing and tail > trunk. I piled the > miles up on that puppy, more than adequate for the > long haul. > > 1340 EVO Harley bagger. Okay, very comfy on the > road, lots of storage > space, but it's aerodynamically dirty and the milage > at road speed > blows. Not known for handling, but the Hawg is very > forgiving. It will > accept radical changes in speed while blazing thru a > turn without > getting twitchy. But it do suck gas. > > I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a > well engineered > *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing > and tail trunk. > Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. > > Bill > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 10:21:09 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:20:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Finally, a question with which I have some experience. --- Dave Yates (in response to Bill Huson) wrote: > [Dave] It depends on whether you're asking what is > the bare > bones minimum hp needed to drive a bare bones > minimum > standard motorcycle with economical & efficient > fairing down > the highway at speeds of 75-80 mph, or to be able to > cruise > comfortably at that speed (not topped out). > This 'econobike', would not have top speed for a > goal, nor > handling, so it won't need the 'widest, stickiest > gumball > tires, but still radials. Why radials? Perhaps I don't ride hard enough, I've swapped back and forth between radials and bias ply tires on my ZX6 and there doesn't seem to be much difference in handling or wear either way. >I'll bet our econobike > could get > by with a 300cc twin, maybe a hair less. I'm > guessing to be > comfortable cruising at 75-80, you'll need 35-40 hp > peak, and > enough torque to get it to that speed, making a twin > not such > a bad idea. I'm guessing also that an econo-scoot > could be > pared down to about 300# wet, and have an overdrive. > You may > be able to get by with 25-30 hp, but that would be a > > stretch... I think 300 lbs wet is an unreasonably low number. The specs on the motor I had rebuilt for the Iron Butt Rally this fall called for no more than 30 HP. I can't afford to beef up the bottom end of the motor to take more than that. It was balanced, got all new main bearings, cylinders cleaned up, new rings, new oil pump (with higher pressure relief) and the valve seats were reground. This year's Iron Butt rally calls for a minimum performance requirement of 65 mph on a 7% upgrade below 4000 ft elevation. With 600 lbs total weight I can meet the performace specification with about 23 HP. I did 3 1000 mile days in April with this bike, part of that ride included 2783 miles in three days. You don't need 40 HP, but you do need to be able to call on 25 HP most of the time. Again, using the Ninja 250 as an example, if I ride it like it's a BMW touring bike, the motor only lasts about 30,000 miles. My commuter bike has 37,000 on it and I expect that motor to last well over 60,000. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 10:27:38 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:27:29 -0400 > > From: "William J. Huson" > 350cc Honda, 4-stroke twin. Gag and puke. Without a doubt the worst > handling bike I've ever owned. At 80 it was dangerous, despirately > wanting to go into a dreaded tank slapper. However, the engine was > bulletproof and would crank all day long without a whimper. Gee, I had two of these (a 68 or 69, later a 71). Once I replaced the worn out bronze swingarm bushings they handled decently, for the era. But those bushings were good for 10,000 miles MAX. Better to replace them by 6000 miles. And yeah, they were pretty much bulletproof. I remember running the superslab hour after hour at 7000 rpm (about 70mph) and the bike never even whimpered. Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 11:14:15 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:13:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: some got it, some don't... the ability to multi-task while driving, that is. Some folks can scarf lunch, chnage CDs, carry on a conversation, and still maintain the intended path of travel for their vehicle. And then there are the ones who can't... In preperation for my volunteer duty as cargo hauler for Milady's school fund raising shindig, I went uptown to fuel up the van. Coming back to home port I was stopped in the left turn lane at John Marr and Backlick. A car on Backlick goes to turn right on John Marr - YIKES! Not enough wheel crank and he's headed right for my door! *eek* driver stops car inchs from impact. I see the problem. He tried and failed to turn the wheel far enough with his right hand. His left hand had a cell phone plastered to his ear, hopefully a cell phone that produces enough radiation to crispy his TINY BRAIN! Sheesh! Mouth still yammering, he regrips the steering wheel, cranks it over, and motors off, front bumper dang near close to my van to scrape the road crud off. Tis times like this when I wish marking offensive driver's cars witha paint ball gun loaded with day-glo was legal. Or better yet, an anchient siege weapon that could launch a two-ton boulder on top of their vehicle *splat* oh yeah, one less dim bulb driver to worry about. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:15:47 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:15:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dave Yates wrote: > > Bill ponders - > >Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive > >a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a > >frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but no side > >bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab speeds of > >steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. > > > >My previous scoots: > > > > ... > >I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a well > >engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing > >and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. > > [Dave] It depends on whether you're asking what is the bare > bones minimum hp needed to drive a bare bones minimum > standard motorcycle with economical & efficient fairing down > the highway at speeds of 75-80 mph, or to be able to cruise > comfortably at that speed (not topped out). > This 'econobike', would not have top speed for a goal, nor > handling, so it won't need the 'widest, stickiest gumball > tires, but still radials. Why radials? This is an econobike. There are bias ply tires out there that offer sufficient grip, outstanding tread life, and decent cost. Radials tend to be pricey and wear out too quickly. > of course, that's accounting for the far superior chain > drive Fully enclosed chain drive, right? That's the only way to get decent life out of a chain & sprockets. We are talking economy again... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:23:54 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:21:27 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Leon Begeman Cc: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Leon Begeman wrote: > > My Ninja 250 has a tall windscreen and a large tail > trunk. It's got 27 HP and will run at 75+ all day. Hi Leon, welcome back. Do stock 250s have any problems running with semi's on the highway? Or are they clean enough to get around them and stay ahead? I know your rally- equipped bike has a bit more plastic to push through the air, and you had mentioned the drafting effect before. A 400cc twin would probably do just fine. I liked the belt-drive suggestion. Lighter than a fully-enclosed chain. Topbox instead of saddlebags to help the aero package. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:28:20 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:27:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Brian and Laura Saturday wedding? To: Brian Roach Cc: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Brian Roach wrote: > If you're actually interested, Laura put together a website ... > http://www.lauraandbrian.com > > We'll be in sunny Jamaica for a week, then back in ... lovely DC ... on > the 12th. > > - Brian & Laura Congratulations, you two! Best wishes, long and happy life, yadda yadda... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:31:46 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... I've been following this disussion with interest, as I keep musing about doing an SS1k on my GS500 at some point (if I can get it working, that is). It seems like everyone is assuming that you need a windscreen -- is that for comfort, efficiency, or is it basically just too tiring to do a long day without one? Steve Miller's schweet SV650 had a nice Givi windscreen, which looked verrry pretty. Dunno if I could afford to slap one on the GS this year, though. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:35:06 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:34:40 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7901bab027baf4f368133a089ecb70428f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I opined about the econobike running radials: > > Why radials? This is an econobike. [Dave] Ok, where's the tire guy? I *thought* I remembered reading that radials offered lower rolling resistance (generally) than bias ply??? Of course, I'm still shaking off the Nyquil haze . Are radials more economical? > Fully enclosed chain drive, right? That's the only > way to get decent life out of a chain & sprockets. > We are talking economy again... :) [Dave] Short run, or long run ? don't shafts take up more hp ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:35:35 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:35:27 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: Fish Flowers Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Cc: DC-Cycles Given what you were willing to pay for the SV, you'd think that you could scrounge up $125 or so for the windscreen. ;-) BTW I sold the SV in the middle of last week and then bought it back this past Monday. I couldn't live without it! On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 02:31PM, Fish Flowers wrote: >Steve Miller's schweet SV650 had a nice Givi windscreen, which looked >verrry pretty. Dunno if I could afford to slap one on the GS this year, >though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 15:11:28 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:10:28 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Dale Horstman CC: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Dale Horstman wrote: > > of course, that's accounting for the far superior chain > > drive > > Fully enclosed chain drive, right? That's the only > way to get decent life out of a chain & sprockets. > We are talking economy again... :) > > Horkster Harley tried that. No surprise, the cases leaked like screen doors. Next plan, the belt, which is the perfect solution. No lube required. Long life. And I've never found an adjustment neccessary between rear tire changes = ~16K miles. Power loss to rear wheels is way less than shaft drives. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 15:11:35 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:11:32 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... In response to the actual question, you should try riding at 75 mph on an interstate for several hours without a windscreen of any sort. YES, the wind beats you up. Big time. It's what you notice if you already have a comfy seat and riding position. After that, you're wishing for cruise control. On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 02:31PM, Fish Flowers wrote: >I've been following this disussion with interest, as I keep musing about >doing an SS1k on my GS500 at some point (if I can get it working, that >is). It seems like everyone is assuming that you need a windscreen -- is >that for comfort, efficiency, or is it basically just too tiring to do a >long day without one? > >Steve Miller's schweet SV650 had a nice Givi windscreen, which looked >verrry pretty. Dunno if I could afford to slap one on the GS this year, >though. > >Fish. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 15:17:17 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:16:20 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Fish Flowers wrote: > I've been following this disussion with interest, as I keep musing about > doing an SS1k on my GS500 at some point (if I can get it working, that > is). It seems like everyone is assuming that you need a windscreen -- is > that for comfort, efficiency, or is it basically just too tiring to do a > long day without one? I like a frame mounted fairing for stability, wind gusts don't seem to bother my aim as much as the clip-on windscreen I have now. A friend - age 60+ - rode a naked H-D Superglide to California and back - twice. He averaged around 400+ miles per day, no rush, he was seeing `Murica. But I have no desire to put the miles down without some windbreak in front of me. I'd say comfort is the top score. > Steve Miller's schweet SV650 had a nice Givi windscreen, which looked > verrry pretty. Dunno if I could afford to slap one on the GS this year, > though. > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 15:21:30 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:20:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Stephen Miller CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Stephen Miller wrote: > In response to the actual question, you should try riding at 75 mph on an interstate for several hours without a windscreen of any sort. YES, the wind beats you up. Big time. It's what you notice if you already have a comfy seat and riding position. After that, you're wishing for cruise control. Had a Vista Cruise on my old Suzuki - luved that thang on long hauls. On my recent trip to FL I snapped on a "Throttle Boss" AKA throttle rocker on the twister thang. Easy to adjust and it really works. Kind of annoying at first when you decide to shut down and pull off for gas or whatever (butt break!). Kind of induces a few unintentional throttle blips until you get used to it being there. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 16:05:00 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:02:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Fish Flowers wrote: > > I've been following this disussion with interest, as I keep musing about > doing an SS1k on my GS500 at some point (if I can get it working, that > is). It seems like everyone is assuming that you need a windscreen -- is > that for comfort, efficiency, or is it basically just too tiring to do a > long day without one? I'm considering doing a SS1000 with my '82 GS850 (naked standard) if I ever get it running consistently on all 4 cyclinders. :) I don't think a windscreen is necessary. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 16:06:40 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:04:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Ok, where's the tire guy? I *thought* I remembered reading that > radials offered lower rolling resistance (generally) than bias ply??? I had heard that in the past, but don't know if it's right or not. > > Fully enclosed chain drive, right? That's the only > > way to get decent life out of a chain & sprockets. > > We are talking economy again... :) > > [Dave] Short run, or long run ? don't shafts take up more hp ? And probably suck up some mpgs, too. I like the belt drive suggestion someone posted earlier. Best of all worlds for a small economical tourer. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 16:40:59 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:40:29 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: horkster@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brian and Laura Saturday wedding? I still say Brian should change his last name to Granato. :-) Scooter In a message dated 5/1/2003 1:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > Brian Roach wrote: > > > If you're actually interested, Laura put together a website ... > > http://www.lauraandbrian.com > > > > We'll be in sunny Jamaica for a week, then back in ... lovely DC ... on > > the 12th. > > > > - Brian & Laura > > Congratulations, you two! Best wishes, long and happy > life, yadda > yadda... :) > > Horkster > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 17:16:11 2003 From: Jason Picton To: Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: bare bones minimum... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:14:35 -0400 While a windscreen doesn't seem to make a big difference, it does. I have two small bikes - bandit 400 and a hawk gt.. both are about the same size and hp give or take. The gt has a small targa screen the bandit doesn't. When I have taken either of them to work - 15 minutes in dc and 20 minutes on I95 - there is a huge difference. You don't fight the wind as much - not a big deal on short trips, but it takes it's toll on the longer ones - and you don't feel as battered when you get their (ok, and you don't have as many bugs go splat on you either) just my $.02 jason From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 17:26:06 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:26:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Carbs. Well, since I so clearly bollocksed up my carbs the last time I tried to clean them, I thought I'd have another go at damaging them this afternoon. I haven't yet diassembled them, but noticed the following odd thing: I unscrewed the drain plugs, but only one carb (the left one) had gas in it; the other one didn't drain a drop. Does this mean anything to anyone, or is it just an odd coincidence? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 17:41:18 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 17:41:15 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Carbs. I am no carb expert, but from working on old Honda 4-cylinders I know a little. There are a couple of things that come to mind: 1) The float level for one or both carbs is not right, generally this will make a carb overflow (gas flows into the carb but not out) or run dry (gas flows out faster than it can get in); 2) the dry carb is getting no gas. For that you need to clean jets, fuel filters if you have them, etc. Sometimes there's just a fuel filter at the petcock and any problems will happen to both carbs, but sometimes with home mechanics or maybe even with factory ones there'll be an individual fuel filter for each carb. As for jets, it depends on the design, but generally the smallest jets (idle jets, pilot jets, whatever they're called) get clogged FIRST and so simply poking them out with a small piece of wire will do the trick. Now the true carb experts can say how wrong I am. - Steve On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 05:26PM, Fish Flowers wrote: >Well, since I so clearly bollocksed up my carbs the last time I tried to >clean them, I thought I'd have another go at damaging them this afternoon. >I haven't yet diassembled them, but noticed the following odd thing: I >unscrewed the drain plugs, but only one carb (the left one) had gas in it; >the other one didn't drain a drop. > >Does this mean anything to anyone, or is it just an odd coincidence? > >Fish. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 17:42:17 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Carbs. Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:53:03 -0400 Son, you have many issues with those carbs. Perhaps worrying about all the little individual problems right now shouldn't be your focus. Get thee a carb rebuilt kit. It will have new jets, needles, screws, valves, gaskets, o-rings, etc. Put ALL new bits in there, adjust them to spec, and start from there. That's what that means to me... Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [SMTP:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:26 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Carbs. > > Well, since I so clearly bollocksed up my carbs the last time I tried to > clean them, I thought I'd have another go at damaging them this afternoon. > I haven't yet diassembled them, but noticed the following odd thing: I > unscrewed the drain plugs, but only one carb (the left one) had gas in it; > the other one didn't drain a drop. > > Does this mean anything to anyone, or is it just an odd coincidence? > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 17:56:27 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 17:56:25 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Carbs. Bah. Why not just throw the money away? This bike hasn't been sitting in a barn for 20 years, it just got a little gummed up between November and April. On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 05:53PM, Michael Lynch wrote: >Son, you have many issues with those carbs. Perhaps worrying about all the >little individual problems right now shouldn't be your focus. Get thee a >carb rebuilt kit. It will have new jets, needles, screws, valves, gaskets, >o-rings, etc. Put ALL new bits in there, adjust them to spec, and start >from there. > >That's what that means to me... > >Mike >96 VFR >88 Hawk >76 CB400F > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 18:08:01 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Ow. Brief public service announcement: carburetor cleaner in the eye hurts like the Dickens. Fish. you have been warned From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 18:30:04 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Ow. Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:29:34 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f0bea05423274ec710089343ac0d7ede350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Fish warned us: > Brief public service announcement: carburetor cleaner in the eye hurts > like the Dickens. > > Fish. > you have been warned [Dave] They do lack the clarity of the Claymore "Front Towards Enemy" warning... Hopefully you're using aerosol cleaner, and lots of it... let's jack that hydrochloroflourocarbons into the atmosphere so next winter will be warm & toasty ;-) Spray safe ! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 18:46:03 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Stephen Miller'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Carbs. Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:57:12 -0400 Ya think? Found a rebuild kit for a GS500 : Float Bowl Gasket, O-Rings, Float Needle & Seat Assy $12. If he keeps looking down one end of the jets and squirting up the other, he'll have those cleaned up in no time, so the kit covers everything else. :-) Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Miller [SMTP:freecat@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:56 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Carbs. > > Bah. Why not just throw the money away? This bike hasn't been sitting in > a barn for 20 years, it just got a little gummed up between November and > April. > > > On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 05:53PM, Michael Lynch > wrote: > > >Son, you have many issues with those carbs. Perhaps worrying about all > the > >little individual problems right now shouldn't be your focus. Get thee a > >carb rebuilt kit. It will have new jets, needles, screws, valves, > gaskets, > >o-rings, etc. Put ALL new bits in there, adjust them to spec, and start > >from there. > > > >That's what that means to me... > > > >Mike > >96 VFR > >88 Hawk > >76 CB400F > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 18:49:30 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:49:28 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ow. Fish Flowers wrote: > > Brief public service announcement: carburetor cleaner in the eye hurts > like the Dickens. > > Fish. > you have been warned bah. carb cleaner is no worse than gasoline in the eye. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 19:39:31 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:38:34 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ow. Fish Flowers wrote: > Brief public service announcement: carburetor cleaner in the eye hurts > like the Dickens. > > Fish. > you have been warned Heh - discovered one of those "blind" holes in the carb casting, eh? Squirt in, instant out ... AARRGGGHHH! Safety glasses. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 22:39:04 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 22:35:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Carbs. From: Stephen Miller To: Well jeez for $12... obviously not a Coleman's price! ;) BTW, love the image of Fish spraying through a jet into his eye. on 5/1/03 6:57 PM, Michael Lynch at MLynch@XXXXXX wrote: > Ya think? Found a rebuild kit for a GS500 : > Float Bowl Gasket, O-Rings, Float Needle & Seat Assy $12. > If he keeps looking down one end of the jets and squirting up the other, > he'll have those cleaned up in no time, so the kit covers everything else. > :-) > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Miller [SMTP:freecat@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:56 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: Carbs. >> >> Bah. Why not just throw the money away? This bike hasn't been sitting in >> a barn for 20 years, it just got a little gummed up between November and >> April. >> >> >> On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 05:53PM, Michael Lynch >> wrote: >> >>> Son, you have many issues with those carbs. Perhaps worrying about all >> the >>> little individual problems right now shouldn't be your focus. Get thee a >>> carb rebuilt kit. It will have new jets, needles, screws, valves, >> gaskets, >>> o-rings, etc. Put ALL new bits in there, adjust them to spec, and start >>> from there. >>> >>> That's what that means to me... >>> >>> Mike >>> 96 VFR >>> 88 Hawk >>> 76 CB400F >>> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 00:39:23 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 00:33:22 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Willville Bike Camp this weekend... Hey Ya'llz, Just writting to announce that I'm heading down to Willville bike camp this weekend in Meadows of Dan, VA. It's 1 mile off the BRP. If anyone happens to be going down or would like to meet up and ride down Sat and come back Sunday let me know. I'll be on a black Bandit1200 with bags bristling from every pore. :) I know it's short notice but I thought I'd just put it out there anywayz just in case someone's soul needs to get out an reall shake their bike and brains down before the season gets really going...although for lots of us it has. :) Paz, Carl who is also a traveling Carl. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 01:44:43 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike thefts Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 01:24:47 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out and using them to steal motorcycles. So keep your eyes open for minivans that look tampered with and missing both rows of back seats.. especially going into self storage unit facilities. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 01:56:52 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: stolen 01 gsxr - $1500 reward if found Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 01:36:16 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- $1500 Recovery Reward: 2001 black/yellow suzuki GSXR has yellow disk lock on rear wheel, black disc lock on front wheel no rear seat or cowl installed at time of theft blue paint on right side of frame near the seat stock except frame sliders There is a $1500 reward for the recovery of the bike, no questions asked, soley as a finders fee for the bike being recovered. I didnt' have full coverage since I was planning on selling the bike on sunday. So I'd rather lose out on $1500 than the bikes value. It was stolen from the cheverly / bladensburg area. If you see any bike resembling this bike, that wasnt' there before monday, please let me know. Or if you have any other info... leading to the recovery of the bike.. please let me know. If you know of any mini vans stolen around last weekend, please let me know of that too. Danny 240-353-9175 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 06:13:20 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 06:09:43 -0400 On Thursday 01 May 2003 14:31, Fish Flowers wrote: > I've been following this disussion with interest, as I keep musing about > doing an SS1k on my GS500 at some point (if I can get it working, that > is). It seems like everyone is assuming that you need a windscreen -- is > that for comfort, efficiency, or is it basically just too tiring to do a > long day without one? > I have a detachable one and prefer to ride without it. With it on, the updraft I get buffets the helmets in such a way that my vision is jittery. With my full faced helmets, if I leave the smallest crack, the wind catches it and can flip the shield up. I've had it on for the past couple of days and one of the annoying things is the updraft blows right into my nose (if you've seen me, I have a fairly long and large nose :-) It almost feels like it's being wiggled around by the wind. Without the windscreen, the various road crud and bugs smack into any exposed skin. A minor drizzle feels funny to lightly painful. The buffeting seems to be lots less although the slightest opening in the jacket sometimes causes it to become a sail forcing full zip ups. I had a nice gooshy bug hit the end of my nose Wednesday and leave a nice splat under my left eye. Rita complains about the smell from the road when I get home. Garbage trucks are the most fun :-) In general, it seems that I get better gas mileage without the screen. I haven't been able to take much of a long trip with or without it to see the comfort level. If I could figure out the best way to pack it, I'd probably switch it out. Have it mounted for a bit and packed for a time. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 07:20:18 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: bike thefts Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:20:15 -0400 OK, I'll bite. Why (and HOW for that matter) are they using minivan seats to cart off bikes? Wouldn't be easier to just push the bikes? ----- Daniel wrote: Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out and using them to steal motorcycles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 07:31:03 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: bike thefts Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:27:27 -0400 Not with those wheel locks. I'd use four guys and two 4' pipes. Those wheel locks make it easy. A pipe through each wheel (which is now fixed in place) and a guy on each end of the pipe (ewww) and the bike "walks". Maybe the seats are to sit on. Minivan seats are sometimes fairly comfortable. Carl On Friday 02 May 2003 07:20, Jon Strang wrote: > OK, I'll bite. Why (and HOW for that matter) are they using minivan > seats to cart off bikes? Wouldn't be easier to just push the bikes? > > ----- Daniel wrote: > > Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out > and using them to steal motorcycles. -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 07:50:13 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:01:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: bike thefts On Fri, 2 May 2003, Jon Strang wrote: > OK, I'll bite. Why (and HOW for that matter) are they using minivan > seats to cart off bikes? Wouldn't be easier to just push the bikes? haha :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 07:59:40 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: bike thefts Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:59:34 -0400 Y, I didn't realize Daniel had his own bike stolen when I read the first post (re: minivans). -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:27 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: bike thefts Not with those wheel locks. I'd use four guys and two 4' pipes. Those wheel locks make it easy. A pipe through each wheel (which is now fixed in place) and a guy on each end of the pipe (ewww) and the bike "walks". Maybe the seats are to sit on. Minivan seats are sometimes fairly comfortable. Carl On Friday 02 May 2003 07:20, Jon Strang wrote: > OK, I'll bite. Why (and HOW for that matter) are they using minivan > seats to cart off bikes? Wouldn't be easier to just push the bikes? > > ----- Daniel wrote: > > Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out > and using them to steal motorcycles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 08:00:23 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ow. On Thu, 1 May 2003, Skip Smith wrote: > bah. carb cleaner is no worse than gasoline in the eye. No, not really. But the only time I've seen gasoline spray at the same velocity is when I didn't fully relieve the fuel pressure in my cage when yanking the fuel filter. Addendum: gasoline in the eye _also_ hurts. For the record, I was spraying _away_ from me, through one of the little bitty jets. It just turned out to be a little _too_ bitty, and most of the cleaner pulled a Frenchman and fled from the jet. Into my eye. Ow. So I gave it up and went to the ballgame instead. Curve 7, Baysox 2. Dastardly Altoona. Somehow I always end up backing the losers. Fish. maybe next year From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 08:01:20 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Carbs. On Thu, 1 May 2003, Michael Lynch wrote: > Ya think? Found a rebuild kit for a GS500 : > Float Bowl Gasket, O-Rings, Float Needle & Seat Assy $12. Oh -- where? Haven't seen one that cheap. Does that include float bowls? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 08:32:49 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Carl Schelin , DC-Cycles Carl, I think you need a different windscreen or the one you have needs to be mounted in a different place. You could also use Saeng edge molding or Baker air wings to move the airflow a few inches. With those options, you should be able to find a combination that works. Once you get close to the right airflow, then get a windscreen that doesn't need all the funny attachments to put the air where it works best. Leon. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > I have a detachable one and prefer to ride without > it. > > With it on, the updraft I get buffets the helmets in > such a way that my > vision is jittery. With my full faced helmets, if I > leave the smallest crack, > the wind catches it and can flip the shield up. I've > had it on for the past > couple of days and one of the annoying things is the > updraft blows right into > my nose (if you've seen me, I have a fairly long and > large nose :-) It almost > feels like it's being wiggled around by the wind. > > Without the windscreen, the various road crud and > bugs smack into any exposed > skin. A minor drizzle feels funny to lightly > painful. The buffeting seems to > be lots less although the slightest opening in the > jacket sometimes causes it > to become a sail forcing full zip ups. I had a nice > gooshy bug hit the end of > my nose Wednesday and leave a nice splat under my > left eye. Rita complains > about the smell from the road when I get home. > Garbage trucks are the most > fun :-) > > In general, it seems that I get better gas mileage > without the screen. I > haven't been able to take much of a long trip with > or without it to see the > comfort level. If I could figure out the best way to > pack it, I'd probably > switch it out. Have it mounted for a bit and packed > for a time. > > Carl > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a > National Security risk if > Windows Source Code is made > public. > So why are they releasing it to the > Chinese Government? > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, > Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for > phone and address > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 08:56:56 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: spam: Lexmark printer & cartridges Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:56:21 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7902cd6b160a39d69b1ef7407423cba3b4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c A couple weeks back, my lexmark 3200 printer started screwing up, feeding incorrectly. I don't know if it's worth saving, and don't care, I have a new printer now. The 3200 uses expensive cartridges; 12a1980, 12a1985, 12a1990 (photo) & 12a1970(black ink). all the ink cartridges are used, but have ink left. There's one each color & black in the printer, 1 photo cartridge, and 2 color that I have no idea how much ink is left... I can't use them anymore, and they're taking up valuable space - free to good home, let me know off list Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:13:19 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 06:13:15 -0400 (EDT) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: Stephen Miller , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Carbs. I don't need to be a carb expert to know that you're wrong ... about pretty much everything. %^) -------Original Message------- From: Stephen Miller Sent: 05/01/03 05:41 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Carbs. Now the true carb experts can say how wrong I am. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:31:28 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:31:17 EDT Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/1/2003 4:05:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > I'm considering doing a SS1000 with my '82 GS850 GS850, G or L? One of the best long haul saddles ever put on a bike. 1,308mi. nonstop on mine (850G), not because I was trying to do miles but because I just did not feel like stopping. Damn fine bike. (Uses no oil at city speeds BUT at highway speeds it uses a _lot_ I had to add oil about every other gas stop. And no it was not just mine, it was common for that bike. Just check it when on the highway. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:33:06 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: bike to work... Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:32:31 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790bae46155ae67349431a5b14466fc9e0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I guess this is 'bike to work' day. One can't help but know this, it's been on / in every news outlet around - WTOP, at least NBC, The Wash. Post, Wash Times, Journal... How come "Ride to Work" day doesn't generate ANY publicity, much less even a little? :-/ Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:33:06 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:29:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bike thefts To: Daniel Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Daniel wrote: > > Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out > and using them to steal motorcycles. Let's get our local legislatures to pass laws to outlaw these mommyvans, before the problem gets worse! Act now! For the good of all moto-riding humanity! Then again, they are probably stealing mostly chain-driven motorcycles, so this isn't really a crisis yet. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:35:21 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:34:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bike thefts To: Jon Strang Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Jon Strang wrote: > > Y, I didn't realize Daniel had his own bike stolen when I read the first > post (re: minivans). Me neither, when I wise-cracked about chain-driven bikes. Sorry, Daniel. That sucks. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:35:58 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: bike thefts Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:35:22 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792f578ea0a091d2e0467cedade58fbaa5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Hork jumped up on the stump & pontificated: > Let's get our local legislatures to pass laws > to outlaw these mommyvans, before the problem > gets worse! Act now! For the good of all > moto-riding humanity! [Dave] Dale - please refer to them correctly, they're Assault vehicles. Night operating optics, high capacity passenger compartments, sliding side doors often used for drive by bayonettings... Oh the humanity. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:48:06 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:46:45 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bike thefts To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dave Yates wrote: > > Hork jumped up on the stump & pontificated: > > > Let's get our local legislatures to pass laws > > to outlaw these mommyvans, before the problem > > gets worse! Act now! For the good of all > > moto-riding humanity! > > [Dave] Dale - please refer to them correctly, they're Assault vehicles. > Night operating optics, high capacity passenger compartments, sliding side > doors often used for drive by bayonettings... Oh the humanity. Yeah, but "Assault" equipment usually looks pretty grim and effective. A mommyvan on the other hand, looks kinda silly and poofy in comparison... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:48:08 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:47:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bike to work... To: Dave Yates Cc: DCCycles Dave Yates wrote: > > I guess this is 'bike to work' day. One can't help but know this, it's been > on / in every news outlet around - WTOP, at least NBC, The Wash. Post, Wash > Times, Journal... > > How come "Ride to Work" day doesn't generate ANY publicity, much less even a > little? :-/ > > Dave Yates First I heard of it. But what do I know? I retired 10 months ago. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:53:20 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:53:05 EDT Subject: Re: Ow. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/2/2003 8:00:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > For the record, I was spraying _away_ from me, That stuff has a targeting system that would make a smart bomb jealous. I have no idea how they get a targeting system in there, but that shit will make a 180deg. turn for no apparent reason and go right into your eye. Or if necessary due to safety glasses it will bank off of your cheek bone just below the glasses and into your eye. Not that eye have any experience. Not that you have brought back painful memories. OW! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:53:30 2003 Subject: Re: bike to work... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Kevin_Hawkins@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:49:54 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ITXF2ALN09/InternetMail(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 05/02/2003 09:50:04 AM Because motorcycles don't impede traffic the way bicycles do. Yeah, I know....share the road....yada...yada... Kevin Hawkins kevin_hawkins@XXXXXX http://www.kevinhawk.com Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 //'93 Yamaha GTS1000 "Calling upon my years of experience, I froze at the controls." - Stirling Moss +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I guess this is 'bike to work' day. One can't help but know this, it's been on / in every news outlet around - WTOP, at least NBC, The Wash. Post, Wash Times, Journal... How come "Ride to Work" day doesn't generate ANY publicity, much less even a little? :-/ Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:54:28 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:52:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 5/1/2003 4:05:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm considering doing a SS1000 with my '82 GS850 > > GS850, G or L? > > One of the best long haul saddles ever put on a bike. 1,308mi. nonstop on > mine (850G), not because I was trying to do miles but because I just did not > feel like stopping. > Damn fine bike. Mine's a G model. Haven't been more than 60 or 70 miles from home on it yet, so haven't had a chance to really try out the saddle. I do appreciate being able to scoot back or forward, these modern saddles that lock your butt into one place aren't all that comfy, IMO. > (Uses no oil at city speeds BUT at highway speeds it uses a _lot_ I had to > add oil about every other gas stop. And no it was not just mine, it was > common for that bike. Just check it when on the highway. Thanks for the tip, I'll keep an eye on it. I envision this bike being used for more around-town hot-weather cruising, but it sure would look cool with an IBA plate frame on the back. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:57:18 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:57:09 EDT Subject: Re: bike thefts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/2/2003 9:48:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > A mommyvan on the other hand, looks kinda silly and poofy They do not look poofy at all when they are coming at you #8-P> John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:59:16 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:56:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Willville Bike Camp this weekend... To: Carl Parker Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Carl Parker wrote: > I know it's short notice but I thought I'd just put it out there anywayz > just in case someone's soul needs to get out an reall shake their bike > and brains down before the season gets really going...although for lots > of us it has. :) D'oh! I'd go if I didn't have kids soccer games to attend to this weekend. Willville is a cool new campground. That's a neat area to ride around in, as well. Enjoy. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:59:41 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:56:49 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive a scoot down > the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame mount fairing and > at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up the airflow. Figure > super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. I had a GS550e that I thought was just find on the highway. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 10:03:49 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:01:11 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... find == fine doh Skip wrote: > > "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > > Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive a scoot down > > the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame mount fairing and > > at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up the airflow. Figure > > super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. > > I had a GS550e that I thought was just find on the highway. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 10:14:43 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:10:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Carbs. From: Stephen Miller To: DC-Cycles When I mentioned carb experts on the list, I certainly wasn't talking about YOU. You're the bodywork spraybomb expert. ;-P on 5/2/03 6:13 AM, cvkgpena@XXXXXX at cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't need to be a carb expert to know that you're wrong ... about pretty > much everything. %^) > > -------Original Message------- > From: Stephen Miller > Sent: 05/01/03 05:41 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Carbs. > > Now the true carb experts can say how wrong I am. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 10:34:23 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:34:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > [Dave] Short run, or long run ? don't shafts take up more hp ? >And probably suck up some mpgs, too. I like the belt drive >suggestion someone posted earlier. Best of all worlds for >a small economical tourer. >Horkster One of the guys in the USEnet sportbike group did a belt conversion on his Interceptor 500. Man, I'd have loved to have owned that bike for a while, but he sold it last year without telling the group that it was for sale. 8;( On the original subject, my GS-500E would cruise no sweat at 80 with its measly 43 hp and my 210 lbs.. Buzzy, but cruising. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:16:00 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:14:56 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Larry Larson wrote: > > [Dave] Short run, or long run ? don't shafts take up > more hp ? > >And probably suck up some mpgs, too. I like the belt > drive > >suggestion someone posted earlier. Best of all worlds for > >a small economical tourer. > >Horkster > > One of the guys in the USEnet sportbike group did a belt > conversion on his Interceptor 500. Man, I'd have loved to > have owned that bike for a while, but he sold it last year > without telling the group that it was for sale. 8;( > > On the original subject, my GS-500E would cruise no sweat > at 80 with its measly 43 hp and my 210 lbs.. Buzzy, but > cruising. > > -- Larry My `81 GS550E was a great road bike. Adding a Quicksilver fairing did the trick - halogen headlight mega-watts briter than the OEM sealed beam. My only beef was, and Hork will love this, the dang chain! Soemwhere on those week long getaways I'd be eatting breakfast with greasy hands while adjusting the frigging chain. A PITA. And one long haul thru rain musta washed the lube off `cause the next day I noticed the center part of the rollers had turned gun metal blue! Heat I reckon. Hey, I wasn't going that fast, although the Joan Claybrook (85 MPH) speedo needle had these wierd litte dents on the pin side. Methinks that run cooked the O-ring dealies too. Chain went TU at about 10K. I cut it off and used normal chain after that. I miss that bike. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:16:04 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Carbs. Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:27:01 -0400 You need float bowls too? Those carbs are worse off than we thought. https://www.partsnmoreonline.com Shows the kits, but no float bowls. I'd say ebay or OEM for that. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [SMTP:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:01 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: Carbs. > > On Thu, 1 May 2003, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > Ya think? Found a rebuild kit for a GS500 : > > Float Bowl Gasket, O-Rings, Float Needle & Seat Assy $12. > > Oh -- where? Haven't seen one that cheap. Does that include float bowls? > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:49:21 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike thefts Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:45:52 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- The irony is, you know times are bad, when at first only honest people used to use their minivans against us... now that dishonest people are using them against us, the world has gone to hell! (just joking around). hey if anyone stores their bike in a storage facility and sees anyone with a large storage unit with a lot of bikes, let me know. I had a friend whos' bike was stolen last year and was found in a storage unit with about 20 bikes.. the unit was found because, a person was arrested for something, and gave up the location for a lighter sentence. and in exchange for a lighter sentence. So keep your eyes open for unusual minivans and unusual storage units. On Fri, 02 May 2003 09:29:42 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Daniel wrote: >> >> Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out >> and using them to steal motorcycles. > >Let's get our local legislatures to pass laws >to outlaw these mommyvans, before the problem >gets worse! Act now! For the good of all >moto-riding humanity! > >Then again, they are probably stealing mostly >chain-driven motorcycles, so this isn't really >a crisis yet. > >:) > >Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:50:41 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike thefts Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:47:09 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- it's okay.. life happens. hopefully i'll get lucky.. if i don't, then that's life, take the good with the bad. On Fri, 02 May 2003 09:34:40 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Jon Strang wrote: >> >> Y, I didn't realize Daniel had his own bike stolen when I read the first >> post (re: minivans). > >Me neither, when I wise-cracked about chain-driven bikes. >Sorry, Daniel. That sucks. > >Hork From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:52:17 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ow. Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:51:33 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- It's pretty freaking scary when you get stuff in your eye... i've gotten "air-craft" paint remover, and water/battery acid in my eye... it's kinda embarasing too.. . I run in the house while dropping my gloves for no apparent reason (from a spectators view) then run into the shower to rinse my eye out scared as hell, and it burns a little... where did i put my goggles again.. oh that's right i bought some glasses. and geeze those werne't even sprays.. the battery splashed overfill water, and the paint remover flicked back from a brush. sheehs. On Fri, 2 May 2003 09:53:05 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 5/2/2003 8:00:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >fish@XXXXXX writes: > >> For the record, I was spraying _away_ from me, > >That stuff has a targeting system that would make a smart bomb jealous. >I have no idea how they get a targeting system in there, but that shit will >make a 180deg. turn for no apparent reason and go right into your eye. Or if >necessary due to safety glasses it will bank off of your cheek bone just >below the glasses and into your eye. >Not that eye have any experience. >Not that you have brought back painful memories. >OW! > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:09:32 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Shock Revalve & Respring? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Does anyone know of a local shop that can revalve and respring a motorcycle shock? Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:22:54 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 12:24:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Shock Revalve & Respring? From: Steve Miller To: Excellent question, Chris. I have a GSX-R shock that needs to be revalved and resprung for my SV. I seem to remember reading that Computrack will do this, in addition to their other services. - Steve on 5/2/03 12:09 PM, Chris Weaver at chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anyone know of a local shop that can revalve and > respring a motorcycle shock? > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:37:38 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:37:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Shock Revalve & Respring? To: Steve Miller , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yes I need this too....... --- Steve Miller wrote: > Excellent question, Chris. I have a GSX-R shock > that needs to be revalved > and resprung for my SV. I seem to remember reading > that Computrack will do > this, in addition to their other services. > > - Steve > > on 5/2/03 12:09 PM, Chris Weaver at > chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a local shop that can revalve > and > > respring a motorcycle shock? > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:42:57 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Carbs and beer. Awright, that's it. I have a six-pack of beer (your choice) for anyone who'll sit down with me for an hour or two and _show_ me how to properly clean a carburetor. Two carbs -- you clean one and I watch, then I clean one and you can tell me how I've fucked up. I'll even buy pizza. Beer offer does not extend to Chimay or equivalent (I'm a poor man) or Michelob Ultra. Fish. i also promise not to spray carb cleaner in your eye From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:59:31 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 12:58:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Carbs, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Fish mentions being interested in getting tech advice on cleaning carbs. The NEDOD folks have periodic "wrenching 101" days where people bring their bikes, parts, tools, to a volunteer's house (preferably one with a garage, tools, know how) and help one another with bike repairs, etc. I'm not long on the tools and garage aspects, but would be interested in attending such a thing in this area, and, if nothing else, bringing beer -- prolly along the lines of something from Old Dominion or Cap City, where I can get growlers (~2 liter resealable glass bottles) filled. Anyone? Anyone? Also, if there are any oilhead owners here, with knowlege of the (in)famous surging issues, I'd appreciate having someone take my RT for a spin and tell me what they think. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 13:11:12 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Daniel H. Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Carbs, etc. Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:21:54 -0400 A buddy has an RS and is selling it for the surging reason alone. Without riding it I can tell you what I think... I think it needs the European spec map in the FI instead of the US spec one. I think BMW designed it to run fine in Europe. When the bike didn't meet (EPA or CARB or whoever in the US) spec when it got here, BMW threw another map on it to get it to pass. *poof* Instant surging. Just MHO Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel H. Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:58 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Carbs, etc. > > > Fish mentions being interested in getting tech advice on cleaning carbs. > The NEDOD folks have periodic "wrenching 101" days where people bring > their > bikes, parts, tools, to a volunteer's house (preferably one with a garage, > tools, know how) and help one another with bike repairs, etc. > > I'm not long on the tools and garage aspects, but would be interested in > attending such a thing in this area, and, if nothing else, bringing beer > -- > prolly along the lines of something from Old Dominion or Cap City, where I > can get growlers (~2 liter resealable glass bottles) filled. > > Anyone? Anyone? > > Also, if there are any oilhead owners here, with knowlege of the > (in)famous > surging issues, I'd appreciate having someone take my RT for a spin and > tell me what they think. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 13:14:04 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:11:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Shock Revalve & Respring? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Fri, 2 May 2003, Chris Weaver wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:09:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Weaver > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Shock Revalve & Respring? > > Does anyone know of a local shop that can revalve and > respring a motorcycle shock? As always, Check CrossRoads. I think they're certified for at least some brands. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 13:43:15 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:42:08 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Daniel CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ow. YIKES!!! Aircraft stripper !!! That stuff is vicious. Stripped a car with it once, didn't wear an OSHA approved respirator and could taste that crap for days. Not to mention walking kinda funny, a la le drunk person. I recall a careful application `cause it eats everything that isn't metal, window seals, weatherstripping, body filler, propylene parts, and even fiberglass parts. Your eyeballs had to hurt, even a splash on bare skin hurts - like a jellyfish sting. Bill Daniel wrote: > It's pretty freaking scary when you get stuff in your eye... > i've gotten "air-craft" paint remover, and water/battery acid > in my eye... it's kinda embarasing too.. . I run in the house while > dropping my gloves for no apparent reason (from a spectators view) > then run into the shower to rinse my eye out scared as hell, > and it burns a little... where did i put my goggles again.. oh > that's right i bought some glasses. > > and geeze those werne't even sprays.. the battery splashed overfill > water, and the paint remover flicked back from a brush. sheehs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:05:50 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:04:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Carbs and beer. To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Fish Flowers wrote: > > Awright, that's it. > > I have a six-pack of beer (your choice) for anyone who'll sit down with me > for an hour or two and _show_ me how to properly clean a carburetor. You had me until *properly*... lol! Sorry, although I'm sure someone on here will help you out. > then I clean one and you can tell me how I've fucked up. I could have nailed this part, too. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:09:48 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Carbs and beer. Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:05:26 -0400 On Friday 02 May 2003 12:42, Fish Flowers wrote: > Awright, that's it. > > I have a six-pack of beer (your choice) for anyone who'll sit down with me > for an hour or two and _show_ me how to properly clean a carburetor. Two > carbs -- you clean one and I watch, then I clean one and you can tell me > how I've fucked up. > > I'll even buy pizza. Beer offer does not extend to Chimay or equivalent > (I'm a poor man) or Michelob Ultra. > I don't know if this'll help but my carb project pages are at http://www.schelin.org/chopper. Head down to Dec 21st. Or you can go directly to the pages I used: http://www.cyclemaintenance.com/mechicscorner/cb750_carbs.html You may have to wander around cyclemaintenance to see if your specific carb/bike is listed. > Fish. > i also promise not to spray carb cleaner in your eye Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:12:30 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:07:49 -0500 From: "Michael Moore" Reply-To: To: , "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Shock Revalve & Respring? I also have a GSXR shock for my GS500 I bought off ebay. How can I tell if it needs to be rebuilt? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Daniel H. Brown" Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:11:26 -0400 (EDT) >On Fri, 2 May 2003, Chris Weaver wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:09:24 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Chris Weaver >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Shock Revalve & Respring? >> >> Does anyone know of a local shop that can revalve and >> respring a motorcycle shock? > >As always, Check CrossRoads. I think they're certified for at least some >brands. > > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:17:22 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Question on Starter/Brushes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Okay, I fixed my pilot screw problem with a tap but now the starter seems to have given up. My battery is new and has 100% charge, having just come off the charger. The bike turns over a couple times semi-strongly and then just seems to struggle and turns over very slowly if at all. My thought is that the brushes in the starter motor could be worn (Bike never turned over very powerfully in the 1.5 months I've had it). Measuring the brushes shows that they are 11mm and 10mm long. Suzuki service manual says 9mm minimum. How long are new brushes and how quickly do they wear? Am I right in thinking that this is the most likely source of the problem? Brush that comes off the wire from the battery IS pretty chipped. Thanks, Adam Reinhardt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:35:07 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:32:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Shock Revalve & Respring? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Fri, 2 May 2003, Michael Moore wrote: > > I also have a GSXR shock for my GS500 I bought off ebay. How can I tell if it needs to be rebuilt? Put it on the bike and see if it damps like it should? Prolly are more scientific methods. Maybe these will help: http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/SuspensionTuningFAQ.htm http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0006_susp/ -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 15:01:40 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:00:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Michael Lynch CC: "'Daniel H. Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Carbs, etc. Michael Lynch wrote: > A buddy has an RS and is selling it for the surging reason alone. Yep - sell it. I've been following the oilhead surge prob in MCN. Maybe a BMW engineer could fix the problem, but then BMW would have to *admit* they have a problem. Rider error, the factory toots. But the surge may keep you off the bike so you wouldn't run up against the next problem - the trannys going tits up around 30K. And you wouldn't have to sweat the sudden failure and loss of control when the rear splines puke. Or maybe that's on another model Beemer. Bill > Without riding it I can tell you what I think... I think it needs the > European spec map in the FI instead of the US spec one. I think BMW > designed it to run fine in Europe. When the bike didn't meet (EPA or CARB > or whoever in the US) spec when it got here, BMW threw another map on it to > get it to pass. *poof* Instant surging. > > Just MHO > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel H. Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:58 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Carbs, etc. > > > > > > Fish mentions being interested in getting tech advice on cleaning carbs. > > The NEDOD folks have periodic "wrenching 101" days where people bring > > their > > bikes, parts, tools, to a volunteer's house (preferably one with a garage, > > tools, know how) and help one another with bike repairs, etc. > > > > I'm not long on the tools and garage aspects, but would be interested in > > attending such a thing in this area, and, if nothing else, bringing beer > > -- > > prolly along the lines of something from Old Dominion or Cap City, where I > > can get growlers (~2 liter resealable glass bottles) filled. > > > > Anyone? Anyone? > > > > Also, if there are any oilhead owners here, with knowlege of the > > (in)famous > > surging issues, I'd appreciate having someone take my RT for a spin and > > tell me what they think. > > > > > > -- > > Dan Brown > > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 15:24:49 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Carbs, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Fri, 2 May 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > A buddy has an RS and is selling it for the surging reason alone. > > Yep - sell it. I've been following the oilhead surge prob in MCN. Maybe > a BMW engineer could fix the problem, but then BMW would have to *admit* > they have a problem. Rider error, the factory toots. They've been suggesting I need to keep the RPM's over 4000 for "normal" riding. I've been keeping it down around 2500 to 3500 -- big surge zone. >But the surge may > keep you off the bike so you wouldn't run up against the next problem - > the trannys going tits up around 30K. I'd settle for the MoDiTec computer (BMW's super shop diag tool) being functional when I went to the dealer to have them look at it. I'm 0 and 2 for recent visits. The pickup sensor they hook to the spark wire keeps fritzing out when they're trying to sync the throttle bodies. They've had to resort to a Twinmax Syncronizer (computerized carb stick kinda thing) to do the job. > And you wouldn't have to sweat the sudden failure and loss of > control when the rear splines puke. Or maybe that's on another model Beemer. Ya, the spline issue supposed to be fixed. There's a ton of engineering I really dig though. Lots of nice whizzy features. Useful Mirrors to start with. Great suspension. ABS. 2 part seat that is comfy for both pilot and pillion. On the fly adjustable windshield. Heated grips, stock. Many Etc. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 15:42:30 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:42:13 EDT Subject: Re: Carbs, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/2/2003 3:25:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > > And you wouldn't have to sweat the sudden failure and loss of > > control when the rear splines puke. Or maybe that's on another model > Beemer. > > Ya, the spline issue supposed to be fixed. Yea, they fixed the rear splines when they eliminated them with the bolt on wheel. At the same time they moved from a wet (gear oil) to a dry driveshaft. So its splines started burning out. And that assumes you keep the clutch splines lubed so they do not burn out. BMW cannot make splines. And yes I put 200,000mi. on one, I have the right to bitch. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 21:02:10 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 21:00:41 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ow. X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.157.8.211] at Fri, 2 May 2003 20:01:59 -0500 Skip Smith wrote: > Fish Flowers wrote: > > > > Brief public service announcement: carburetor cleaner in the eye hurts > > like the Dickens. > > > > Fish. > > you have been warned > > bah. carb cleaner is no worse than gasoline in the eye. > > Skip Here's another Public Service Announcement. Carb cleaner sprayed on Styrofoam makes poor man's Napalm. Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director The Suzuki Owners Club -USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 23:26:33 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Ow. Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 23:25:49 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79df6b496897b71c17a10463a8f8d24228350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Steve took us pretty far off topic with: > Here's another Public Service Announcement. > > Carb cleaner sprayed on Styrofoam makes poor man's Napalm. [Dave] ok, Steve started it ;-) A miscreant acquaintance of mine used to work at Sheehy Ford. He was magnafluxing some stuff for me, so I stopped by to pick the parts up and got there a little early. When left to his own devices, the entire world was in immediate danger. Sure enough "hey Dave, check this out" WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH He had some cannister of brake cleaner under unbelievably high pressure, and had lit the stream with a lighter. His demonstration did not go unnoticed either... from the back of his ( I think the tool room ), past the parts counter, to where the mechanics in the bay saw it... That was a loooong way. He got yelled at for 10 minutes, there was some impressive profanity thrown about. uhhhh....huhuhuhuhuh ... Fire is COOL ... huhuh... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 00:33:48 2003 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 00:32:17 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: DCCycles Subject: Ow..... X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [141.157.8.211] at Fri, 2 May 2003 23:33:35 -0500 uhhhh....huhuhuhuhuh ... Fire is COOL ... huhuh... > > Dave Dave, Just so I can explain how I Know Carb cleaner on Styrofoam makes Napalm............. Way back when.......... about the time that the V-max was just introduced and I was Parts, Service & Sales person for $4.25 an hour at a Maryland MC Stealership, we had this Mechanic that used that mixture on a rat that he had trapped in the service bay. I enter the service bay to see this flaming "thing" streaking across the parking lot, dripping flaming bits, until it stopped after a run of 30 flaming yards, only to find the new guy explaining precisely what he did. I didn't last much long there, after that ........ but I'm always on the lookout for a MD serial Killer. This guy had the potential. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 12:04:46 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen GSXR $2000 reward Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:02:21 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- $2000 for any information leading ot the recovery of the GSXR listed below. I didnt' have full coverage on the bike as I was planning on selling it immediately. So I'd rather take a smaller financial loss and pay for the return of the bike. While a part of me would like to bring pain to the theives or send them to their judgement day immediately (diplomaticly speaking), I let those thoughts go. I'm not interested in who stole the bike, I'm not into religion, but I believe God is our judge, so they can account for thier sins with him, not me. I believe to be merciful and forgiving is a virtue of a higher character and intellect, and blessed, special person, so that's all i'm trying to be. I certainly see power, wisdom, advantages and benifits of being merciful and forgiving, for non hanieous acts. It's not for me to judge anyone, nor cast the first stone. While i'm certaintly capable and willing to harm deserving people, I don't believe in initiating violence merely out of anger. They didn't attempt to bring any harm to me anyway, I can respect that, and leave it on that level.. and forgive and be merciful. So now, I have no ill will or interest in who they are for any vengance type of reason, I'm just tryng to recover the bike. If the identity is needed for that, that's fine. If the bike can be recovered without it, I don't need to know who they are. But there is a $2000 reward for any information leading to the recovery of the bike, be that vehicle location, identifying the persons who stole it, reporting suspicious storage facilities with numerous bikes that seems out of the ordinary, or even working with the theives themselves to have the bike recovered I do not care if the theives profit, for we all create our own destinies, which catch up with us, good or bad. bike description: 2001 GSXR 750 yellow black unique features: 750 forks/engine/swingarm, with the 01 yellow and black 600 plastics/bodywork paint scheme the 600 sticker was removed from the tail section, sticker residue was on the left side of the tail white frame sliders at the time it was stolen there was no rear seat or cowl on it, rear wheel had a yellow disc lock and the front wheel had a black disc lock. there is a blue paint spot on the right side of the frame near the seat. (which of course is not permenent) tag number: O11M63 vin number: js1gr7ha612103739 If you see any suzuki 01 GSXR's that look suspect, wether the color of my bike or not, give me a call, maybe I can still identify it. Spread the word to your friends Danny 240-353-9175 vin last four #'s: 3739 put the last four digits of my VIN # in your cell phonebook under my name as a secondary phone # , so if you see any parked GSXR's that look suspect, you'll have access to check it immediately. Also look for VIN number alterations, such as sanding or scratching out or changing of the numbers, and contact the police if the bike looks suspect. oh and please forward this post to any bike clubs you know of online. Thanks, Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 12:37:00 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen Hiyabusa $5,000 Reward Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:29:24 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- please forward this to other lists A custom hiyabusa was stolen. painted White, with a blue panther painted on the side fairings. chrome and polished out The owner is offering a $5,000 reward more info coming later, but in the mean time, contact me if you have any information. Danny 240-353-9175 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 12:44:26 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen honda 954 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:43:11 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Tim with the 954, who rides his dog on the gas tank had his 954 stolen. Red and black, wheels painted gold/bronze type of color bronze sticker kit to replace the factory sticker scheme and match the wheels if you see such a customized 954, it's stolen, notify the police. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 12:57:42 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Stolen honda 954 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:56:52 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7996fdb6154870f78bcfacffff01821e20350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Is there any kind of pattern WRT the 3 stolen bikes? common acquaintances, stolen from geographically close locations, owners all belong to common group ??? anything (other than the fact that they're sport bikes) ? Dave Yates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel" To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: Stolen honda 954 > Tim with the 954, who rides his dog on the gas tank had his 954 > stolen. > > Red and black, > wheels painted gold/bronze type of color > bronze sticker kit to replace the factory sticker scheme and match the > wheels > > if you see such a customized 954, it's stolen, > notify the police. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 20:24:14 2003 From: "George B" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Un-PC Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:23:52 +0000 >While a part of me would like to bring pain to the theives or send >them to their judgement day immediately (diplomaticly speaking) Why be diplomatic about it? Off with their throttle hand! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 20:28:15 2003 From: "George B" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen Bikes Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:28:08 +0000 A buddy of mine had a '79 Triumph Bonneville... after nearly shaking it apart over a 2 year period, he finally left it downtown with the key in it. No one stole it, so he took it back in, learned to wrench it and eventually traded it for a Norton 850. I think he had to pay some cash along with the trade. It looked cool, but mechanically it was a POS. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 22:29:50 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: Subject: OT: Military operation Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 22:29:26 -0400 Thought everyone might get a kick out of this and at the same time take pride in your country. This will give a hand to the men and women who serve this great country. http://www.operationsendbeer.com/ On the other hand, do people from DC Cycles want to do something on the Friday before memorial day to welcome in the many motorcycles that are coming from California and parts abroad? Schedule seems to me mid afternoon meeting at the Lincoln Memorial as always. Scott Russell From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 11:36:06 2003 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 11:35:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Louis Caplan In Roadbike To: DC Cycles Elvin315@XXXXXX wrote: > > Louis Caplan, MSF Instructor and COG member, is featured in the June 2003 > issue of Roadbike Magazine. The focus is work with hearing-impaired students. > I've said before that COG has the best people on two wheels and this is proof. > > Elvin Fyi, Louis is far to humble to announce this on his own... :) Way to go, Louis! Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 14:20:46 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Stolen GSXR $2000 reward Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:02 -0400 From: Daniel . . . snip tag number: O11M63 . . . snip MD/VA/DC/??? (though the tag may be shredded/altered by now). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 16:37:00 2003 From: "rich hall" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: impact wrench Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:36:40 -0400 I'm trying to get a 17mm bolt off a SVS to mount frame sliders. It won't budge w/ a regular wrench. The SVRider list told me to expect this and either use an impact wrench or a wrench that'a 2' long for leverage. Does anyone near Ballston have one? Thanks, Rich '02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 16:42:36 2003 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:52:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: impact wrench On Sun, 4 May 2003, rich hall wrote: > I'm trying to get a 17mm bolt off a SVS to mount frame sliders. It won't > budge w/ a regular wrench. The SVRider list told me to expect this and > either use an impact wrench or a wrench that'a 2' long for leverage. Does > anyone near Ballston have one? > Thanks, > Rich '02 SVS I have all the tools, but I'm way up in Frederick, MD :-) I'd suggest a run to Sears or Home Depot and getting a big breaker bar for leverage. You can get a pipe to fit over your existing wrench or a long ratchet. Good luck! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 17:22:17 2003 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 17:21:11 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: rich hall CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: impact wrench rich hall wrote: > I'm trying to get a 17mm bolt off a SVS to mount frame sliders. It won't > budge w/ a regular wrench. The SVRider list told me to expect this and > either use an impact wrench or a wrench that'a 2' long for leverage. Does > anyone near Ballston have one? > Thanks, > Rich '02 SVS Annandale VA - have 1/2' drive impact wrench & air compressor to drive it. Problem is the air hose falls a wee bit short of Ballston. Like Wayne sez, slide a long pipe over the breaker bar handle and stomp on it. If you use Craftsman sockets they'll replace it when you bust your 17mm in half :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 21:47:52 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'rich hall '" Cc: "'DC-Cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: impact wrench Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:58:51 -0400 And when you put a 6' pipe on the ratchet and stand on it, Craftsman will replace that too. ;-) Got lazy one day and used the 1/2" ratchet as a hammer since it was within reach. Of course, snap, there goes good bits. Landmark Sears has a help yourself return rack of ratchets. Drop your old, obviously abused ratchet in there and grab yourself a new one. Brilliant. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson If you use Craftsman sockets they'll replace it when you bust your 17mm in half :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 22:56:51 2003 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Home Depot sells an Impact Driver that you whack with a Mallet. They also sell the impact sockets to use with it. I'm in Springfield and have the impact driver, impact socket, dead blow mallet, and the desire to try it all on someone elses bike :-) > I'm trying to get a 17mm bolt off a SVS to mount frame sliders. It won't > budge w/ a regular wrench. The SVRider list told me to expect this and > either use an impact wrench or a wrench that'a 2' long for leverage. Does > anyone near Ballston have one? > Thanks, > Rich '02 SVS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 23:09:33 2003 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald Subject: Ideas? To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Either my bike has discovered how to create oil or somehow gas is working its way into my crankcase. Mechanic says its probably a stuck carb and might work itself out on its own, just keep draining the crankcase so it doesn't get too high. Not sure I like that, any better ideas? Bike is a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 if that helps. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 23:50:37 2003 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 23:44:33 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , richallmc@XXXXXX Subject: Re: impact wrench HAHAH I busted a 17mm working on my old Prelude. I had my back up against the garage wall with the heel of my foot on the very end of the wrench trying to get off a frozen strut pinch bolt. KERCHANG! What the f?*?!? Stinking 12 sided...I never buy 12 sided anymore. It was a Craftsman though so all I did was take it in they gave me a new one sho' nuff'! Gotta love that. What works well for the pipe extenstion to slip over the ratchet is a piece of ehxaust pipe. Usually you can go to an auto store and find a few different lengths and diameters; barring anything rediculuous...it should be strong enough. Impact wrench is the way to go though if you can...man I love those things. Ya know occasionally I hear people bashing Craftsman tools but I'd say they're good quality tools for the price and the fact that they're available almost everywhere helps too. I wouldn't turn down a box full of Snap-ons but until then... Paz, Carl who is still a wee bit of a Carl.. >Like Wayne sez, slide a long pipe over the breaker bar handle and stomp on >it. If you use Craftsman sockets they'll replace it when you bust your 17mm >in half :-) >Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 07:24:00 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:23:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: David Fruehwald cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ideas? X-Loop-Detect: 1 It does sound like gas is diluting your crankcase oil. Probably *not* a good idea to rely on that for engine lubrication. You may be able to reduce the problem by always turning off the fuel valve at the gas tank. If it's a vacuum actuated valve, then maybe it wants replacement. hth, -ph On Sun, 4 May 2003, David Fruehwald wrote: > Either my bike has discovered how to create oil or > somehow gas is working its way into my crankcase. > Mechanic says its probably a stuck carb and might work > itself out on its own, just keep draining the > crankcase so it doesn't get too high. > > Not sure I like that, any better ideas? > > Bike is a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 if that helps. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 07:28:19 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 04:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Ideas? To: David Fruehwald , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Sounds like MFI, when I wanted them to find the short or whatever was draining the battery on my ATV, they said to buy a trickle charger. So now I guess I have a non environmentally friendly electric ATV since I have to plug it in every few days. Todd W. --- David Fruehwald wrote: > Either my bike has discovered how to create oil or > somehow gas is working its way into my crankcase. > Mechanic says its probably a stuck carb and might > work > itself out on its own, just keep draining the > crankcase so it doesn't get too high. > > Not sure I like that, any better ideas? > > Bike is a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 if that helps. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:04:54 2003 From: "rich hall" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tow Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:04:46 -0400 I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II won't start. Anyone have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington area? Rich 94 Seca II 02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:10:29 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "rich hall" , Subject: Re: tow Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:10:00 -0400 The only one around that I know of is Kenny at Independent Motorcycle Transport, maybe he can give you an idea. 301-946-5412 Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" To: Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: tow > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II won't start. Anyone > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington area? > > Rich > 94 Seca II > 02 SVS > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:15:03 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 05:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: tow To: DC Cycles Rich - Have you asked the shop where you'll be taking it to? They may have someone... Brian Ray '80 kz440 --- rich hall wrote: > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II > won't start. Anyone > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington > area? > > Rich > 94 Seca II > 02 SVS > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:18:04 2003 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:18:05 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: impact wrench Carl Parker wrote: > Ya know occasionally I hear people bashing Craftsman tools but I'd say > they're good quality tools for the price and the fact that they're > available almost everywhere helps too. I wouldn't turn down a box full > of Snap-ons but until then... When you use your tools to earn a living all day, every day, doing the stupid stuff like putting 3 feet of pipe on the ratchet and swinging from it, your tools have to be able to take it. From my experience, the name brand tools, Snap-on, Mac, Matco, really are superior. They withstand significantly more abuse than craftsman tools, and that's important, because you need that 17mm socket all day. For most home use, craftsman is sufficient. if you're going to earn with your tools, having (and relying on) Craftsman becomes a royal p.i.t.a. as always, your mileage may vary significantly. Do not attempt. Professional driver on a closed course. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:23:54 2003 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:23:56 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: David Fruehwald , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ideas? *ahem* "Danger Will Robinson! Danger Will Robinson!" Gas in the crankcase reduces the effectiveness of the oil drestically. if you're leaking fuel into the crankcase, you need to not run the bike. period, the end. Gas in the crankcase also creates a significant fire hazard. figure out how it's getting in there, ASAP. Your crank bearings will thank you by not seizing. Your Cams will thank you by not shedding their lobes. Skip David Fruehwald wrote: > > Either my bike has discovered how to create oil or > somehow gas is working its way into my crankcase. > Mechanic says its probably a stuck carb and might work > itself out on its own, just keep draining the > crankcase so it doesn't get too high. > > Not sure I like that, any better ideas? > > Bike is a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 if that helps. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:31:47 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tow Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:31:39 -0400 I'm thinking Crossroads, need to call them though. Was planning on asking them too. >From: Brian Ray >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: tow >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 05:14:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Rich - > >Have you asked the shop where you'll be taking it to? >They may have someone... > >Brian Ray >'80 kz440 > >--- rich hall wrote: > > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II > > won't start. Anyone > > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington > > area? > > > > Rich > > 94 Seca II > > 02 SVS > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 09:45:51 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 06:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: tow Rich, Definitely talk to Denny at Crossroads. While I'm sure they don't have a regular tow service, I do know that he's got a big trailer for hauling motorcycles around. If he's doing the work, then he's got at least some incentive to help you get the bike to his shop. Chuck -------Original Message------- From: rich hall Sent: 05/05/03 08:31 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tow > > I'm thinking Crossroads, need to call them though. Was planning on asking them too. >From: Brian Ray >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: tow >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 05:14:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Rich - > >Have you asked the shop where you'll be taking it to? >They may have someone... > >Brian Ray >'80 kz440 > >--- rich hall wrote: > > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II > > won't start. Anyone > > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington > > area? > > > > Rich > > 94 Seca II > > 02 SVS > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 10:33:24 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:32:50 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: tow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rich, Henry's will tow motorcycles, they're licensed and insured. Make damn sure you watch them (whomever you choose) hook the bike up. If you can't go with them, snap some pictures of the bike "pre hookup". A bum tow 3 or 4 years ago earned me about $600 in damage to the fairing, and a gouge in one fork leg. Whatever insurance you carry on the bike will not cover you while being towed. . good luck, Dave >I'm thinking Crossroads, need to call them though. Was planning on asking >them too. > >>From: Brian Ray >>To: DC Cycles >>Subject: Re: tow >>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 05:14:30 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Rich - >> >>Have you asked the shop where you'll be taking it to? >>They may have someone... >> >>Brian Ray >>'80 kz440 >> >>--- rich hall wrote: >> > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II >> > won't start. Anyone >> > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington