From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 06:47:54 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Videos A couple of videos from 'Vegas trip organized by some riders on the 'Busa message board: vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction.wmv (small ~20mb version) vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (large ~144mb version) vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (small ~8mb version) vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/crazytrain.wmv (large ~86mb version) Some guys on the board asked if he was geared up in the first video. The bike is stock. He, and the others with him on the trip, said the sensation of speed doesn't translate into the video. The cars they were passing in the desert were generally moving at 90 or more. Just passing on some enjoyable viewing. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 06:52:17 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:03:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Videos On Thu, 1 May 2003, Wayne Edelen wrote: > A couple of videos from 'Vegas trip organized by some riders on the 'Busa > message board: > > vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction.wmv (small ~20mb version) > vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (large ~144mb version) > > vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (small ~8mb version) > vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/crazytrain.wmv (large ~86mb version) Oops, the small version of vid 2 is http://216.93.190.20/crazytrain-SM.wmv :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 07:31:12 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: Subject: Re: Videos Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:27:25 -0400 On Thursday 01 May 2003 06:58, Wayne Edelen wrote: > A couple of videos from 'Vegas trip organized by some riders on the 'Busa > message board: > > vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction.wmv (small ~20mb version) > vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (large ~144mb version) > > vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (small ~8mb version) > vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/crazytrain.wmv (large ~86mb version) > > Some guys on the board asked if he was geared up in the first video. The > bike is stock. He, and the others with him on the trip, said the > sensation of speed doesn't translate into the video. The cars they were > passing in the desert were generally moving at 90 or more. > > Just passing on some enjoyable viewing. :-) > Ah well. Can't view the proprietary formatted media. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 07:58:54 2003 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:34:36 -0400 From: Tom de To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Videos Carl (and others fighting the empire), Sounds like you need: http://xinehq.de/ or http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design6/news.html both compile on solaris and come with windows dll's. And there are mozilla plugins (that opera can use). You'll be able to view apple's quicktime and windows avi/wmv. 'busas are damn fast. Tom de '98 VTR Carl Schelin wrote: >On Thursday 01 May 2003 06:58, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >>A couple of videos from 'Vegas trip organized by some riders on the 'Busa >>message board: >> >>vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction.wmv (small ~20mb version) >>vid 1 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (large ~144mb version) >> >>vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/moreaction-big.wmv (small ~8mb version) >>vid 2 - http://216.93.190.20/crazytrain.wmv (large ~86mb version) >> >>Some guys on the board asked if he was geared up in the first video. The >>bike is stock. He, and the others with him on the trip, said the >>sensation of speed doesn't translate into the video. The cars they were >>passing in the desert were generally moving at 90 or more. >> >>Just passing on some enjoyable viewing. :-) >> >> >> > >Ah well. Can't view the proprietary formatted media. > >Carl > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 08:03:24 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:03:19 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Videos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >A couple of videos from 'Vegas trip organized by some riders on the 'Busa >message board: [Dave] Thanks Wayne... The morning's a little brighter... 2 things I noticed were (and I only viewed most of the 1st one ) - 1: Not a whole lotta horizon tilting to be had there... 2: They're not as Eyeabusive from the cockpit ;-) well, ok, 3 things If I read things right, at indicated 170, he still had a little over 1k rpms left to red line... I only run 2 more teeth in the rear sprocket... Of course, there's no real _practical_ places around here to uncork that kind of speed... As the geezer in the '76 Buick station wagon with wood on the sides taught me ;-) Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 08:18:44 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: Tom de , "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Videos Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:15:08 -0400 On Wednesday 30 April 2003 19:34, Tom de wrote: > Carl (and others fighting the empire), > Sounds like you need: > http://xinehq.de/ > or > http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design6/news.html > Windows DLLs on my Solaris box? I've begun the download process for mplayer. I see the OGG packages as well so I'm more interested in that than the windows FPOS. Thanks for the pointers. > both compile on solaris and come with windows dll's. And there are > mozilla plugins (that opera can use). You'll be able to view apple's > quicktime and windows avi/wmv. > > > 'busas are damn fast. > Yea but Windows is damn slow ;-) > Tom de '98 VTR > -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:10:45 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 09:09:46 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: bare bones minimum... Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. My previous scoots: A 90cc Kawi street bike. WOT it would do 70 at a zillion RPM, and if I tucked in it would get up to 77 at a gazillion RPM. Not very comfy, and the two-stroker would fry a plug every 100 miles or so at that speed. 250cc Kawi triple. That sucker would spin up to triple digits, but it handled like a pig. Also fried the center plug at Warp 3 speeds. Not to mention the buzz would numb your paws, your feet, and your ass. 350cc Honda, 4-stroke twin. Gag and puke. Without a doubt the worst handling bike I've ever owned. At 80 it was dangerous, despirately wanting to go into a dreaded tank slapper. However, the engine was bulletproof and would crank all day long without a whimper. 550cc Suzuki: The best bike I owned. 4 cyl UJM. Solid handling, a dream to ride, turned in 58 MPG at Warp 3 and never missed a beat. That one had a frame mount Quicksilver fairing and tail trunk. I piled the miles up on that puppy, more than adequate for the long haul. 1340 EVO Harley bagger. Okay, very comfy on the road, lots of storage space, but it's aerodynamically dirty and the milage at road speed blows. Not known for handling, but the Hawg is very forgiving. It will accept radical changes in speed while blazing thru a turn without getting twitchy. But it do suck gas. I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a well engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:31:11 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In Europe Honda and Kawasaki both sell a parrallel twin 500cc bike. Ride magazine talked about these as popular city bikes, but would work do alright on the highway also. A GS500 with a tailpack and mounted screen is probably the minimum bike you can get in the US. In Germany I rented a Honda Deauville, which is a 650 vtwin with full fairing and integrated luggage. Weight brought the fuel efficiency down, but it was a very practical and easy to handle touring bike. Keith > > I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a > well engineered > *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing > and tail trunk. > Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. > > Bill > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:32:15 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:32:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bill ponders - >Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive >a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a >frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but no side >bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab speeds of >steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. > >My previous scoots: ... >I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a well >engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing >and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. [Dave] It depends on whether you're asking what is the bare bones minimum hp needed to drive a bare bones minimum standard motorcycle with economical & efficient fairing down the highway at speeds of 75-80 mph, or to be able to cruise comfortably at that speed (not topped out). This 'econobike', would not have top speed for a goal, nor handling, so it won't need the 'widest, stickiest gumball tires, but still radials. I'll bet our econobike could get by with a 300cc twin, maybe a hair less. I'm guessing to be comfortable cruising at 75-80, you'll need 35-40 hp peak, and enough torque to get it to that speed, making a twin not such a bad idea. I'm guessing also that an econo-scoot could be pared down to about 300# wet, and have an overdrive. You may be able to get by with 25-30 hp, but that would be a stretch... IIRC, an evo big twin with ~55 hp, tops out just around the ton mark. Clean up the air, drop 200 pounds, and I think 35 hp would be enough to comfortably (well, reasonably so) cruise 75... of course, that's accounting for the far superior chain drive, using synthetic oil, with chain wax, and no rear brake... ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:40:53 2003 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:16:54 -0400 From: Tom de To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Holly crap! this sounds like a scooter discussion. The silverwing is a parrallel twin (650cc), Suzuki make big (250cc++) scooters. Tom de '98 VTR - i need to wash my hands now... scooters, eeww Dave Yates wrote: >Bill ponders - > > >>Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive >>a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a >>frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but no side >>bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab speeds of >>steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. >> >>My previous scoots: >> >> > > > >... > > >>I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a well >>engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing >>and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. >> >> > >[Dave] It depends on whether you're asking what is the bare >bones minimum hp needed to drive a bare bones minimum >standard motorcycle with economical & efficient fairing down >the highway at speeds of 75-80 mph, or to be able to cruise >comfortably at that speed (not topped out). >This 'econobike', would not have top speed for a goal, nor >handling, so it won't need the 'widest, stickiest gumball >tires, but still radials. I'll bet our econobike could get >by with a 300cc twin, maybe a hair less. I'm guessing to be >comfortable cruising at 75-80, you'll need 35-40 hp peak, and >enough torque to get it to that speed, making a twin not such >a bad idea. I'm guessing also that an econo-scoot could be >pared down to about 300# wet, and have an overdrive. You may >be able to get by with 25-30 hp, but that would be a >stretch... IIRC, an evo big twin with ~55 hp, tops out just >around the ton mark. Clean up the air, drop 200 pounds, and >I think 35 hp would be enough to comfortably (well, >reasonably so) cruise 75... > >of course, that's accounting for the far superior chain >drive, using synthetic oil, with chain wax, and no rear >brake... ;-) > > >Dave Yates > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:49:22 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX My old Kawi 454 LTD had belt drive, 454cc vertical-twin engine, probably around 40hp, top speed of 100. If you put on a fairing on the front and a milk crate on the back seat, you'd essentially have what you guys are talking about. It cost me $500 IIRC. Chris Weaver --- Dave Yates wrote: > Bill ponders - > >Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP > to drive > >a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road > bike with a > >frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but > no side > >bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab > speeds of > >steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. > > > >My previous scoots: > > > > ... > >I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a > well > >engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame > mount fairing > >and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around > 500cc. > > [Dave] It depends on whether you're asking what is > the bare > bones minimum hp needed to drive a bare bones > minimum > standard motorcycle with economical & efficient > fairing down > the highway at speeds of 75-80 mph, or to be able to > cruise > comfortably at that speed (not topped out). > This 'econobike', would not have top speed for a > goal, nor > handling, so it won't need the 'widest, stickiest > gumball > tires, but still radials. I'll bet our econobike > could get > by with a 300cc twin, maybe a hair less. I'm > guessing to be > comfortable cruising at 75-80, you'll need 35-40 hp > peak, and > enough torque to get it to that speed, making a twin > not such > a bad idea. I'm guessing also that an econo-scoot > could be > pared down to about 300# wet, and have an overdrive. > You may > be able to get by with 25-30 hp, but that would be a > > stretch... IIRC, an evo big twin with ~55 hp, tops > out just > around the ton mark. Clean up the air, drop 200 > pounds, and > I think 35 hp would be enough to comfortably (well, > reasonably so) cruise 75... > > of course, that's accounting for the far superior > chain > drive, using synthetic oil, with chain wax, and no > rear > brake... ;-) > > > Dave Yates > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:50:09 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: bare bones minimum... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:50:06 -0400 If you're shooting for mileage: (1) Aerodynamics. Most of your friction at 75 mph is air. #1, I think, would be the Eyeabuser. (2) Rolling friction: Trade in wide stickies for narrow hards. Think road bicycle. (3) Engine: Along with (1), biggest factor in gas mileage. I'll bet dollars to donuts that a v. smart mechanic could take the Eyeabuser and remap the EFI for mileage (lean, lean, lean). It'd still be a HP vice MPG design, but pretty good. If money is no object in your quest, rip out the engine, replace with some super efficient & small lean-burn four stroke that is operating at max efficiency at highway rpms. Minimum theoretical HP would be: HPmin = Constant * Force * speed Constant = buncha unit conversions to make it come out in HP Force = rolling friction + air resistance Rolling friction is something like: Ffr = cf * Weight of bike&rider Where cf is coefficient of rolling friction, dependant on tire deformation and adhesion to road surface Air friction is: Fafr = constants * velocity**2 Where constants are drag coefficient, cross sectional area, and air density Note that air friction goes up as square of velocity, but rolling friction is constant. When you calc HPmin, you multiply by speed (again!), so that's why 55mph is better than 75mph for gas mileage. Bottom line: I'll bet it takes on the order of a half dozen horsepower to maintain highway speed. --jon -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:10 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bare bones minimum... Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. My previous scoots: A 90cc Kawi street bike. WOT it would do 70 at a zillion RPM, and if I tucked in it would get up to 77 at a gazillion RPM. Not very comfy, and the two-stroker would fry a plug every 100 miles or so at that speed. 250cc Kawi triple. That sucker would spin up to triple digits, but it handled like a pig. Also fried the center plug at Warp 3 speeds. Not to mention the buzz would numb your paws, your feet, and your ass. 350cc Honda, 4-stroke twin. Gag and puke. Without a doubt the worst handling bike I've ever owned. At 80 it was dangerous, despirately wanting to go into a dreaded tank slapper. However, the engine was bulletproof and would crank all day long without a whimper. 550cc Suzuki: The best bike I owned. 4 cyl UJM. Solid handling, a dream to ride, turned in 58 MPG at Warp 3 and never missed a beat. That one had a frame mount Quicksilver fairing and tail trunk. I piled the miles up on that puppy, more than adequate for the long haul. 1340 EVO Harley bagger. Okay, very comfy on the road, lots of storage space, but it's aerodynamically dirty and the milage at road speed blows. Not known for handling, but the Hawg is very forgiving. It will accept radical changes in speed while blazing thru a turn without getting twitchy. But it do suck gas. I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a well engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 09:54:30 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" My Ninja 250 has a tall windscreen and a large tail trunk. It's got 27 HP and will run at 75+ all day. The fastest I've ever seen on it was 95, but there was a bit of help with gravity to get to that. It'll get pretty close to 90 on the level. It's sold as a sport bike, but the ergonomics really aren't much different than a standard. It's built for short folks, so the pegs are a bit high, but other than that it's good. Leon. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP > to drive a scoot down > the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame > mount fairing and > at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up > the airflow. Figure > super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with > traffic. > > My previous scoots: > > A 90cc Kawi street bike. WOT it would do 70 at a > zillion RPM, and if I > tucked in it would get up to 77 at a gazillion RPM. > Not very comfy, and > the two-stroker would fry a plug every 100 miles or > so at that speed. > > 250cc Kawi triple. That sucker would spin up to > triple digits, but it > handled like a pig. Also fried the center plug at > Warp 3 speeds. Not > to mention the buzz would numb your paws, your > feet, and your ass. > > 350cc Honda, 4-stroke twin. Gag and puke. Without a > doubt the worst > handling bike I've ever owned. At 80 it was > dangerous, despirately > wanting to go into a dreaded tank slapper. However, > the engine was > bulletproof and would crank all day long without a > whimper. > > 550cc Suzuki: The best bike I owned. 4 cyl UJM. > Solid handling, a > dream to ride, turned in 58 MPG at Warp 3 and never > missed a beat. That > one had a frame mount Quicksilver fairing and tail > trunk. I piled the > miles up on that puppy, more than adequate for the > long haul. > > 1340 EVO Harley bagger. Okay, very comfy on the > road, lots of storage > space, but it's aerodynamically dirty and the milage > at road speed > blows. Not known for handling, but the Hawg is very > forgiving. It will > accept radical changes in speed while blazing thru a > turn without > getting twitchy. But it do suck gas. > > I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a > well engineered > *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing > and tail trunk. > Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. > > Bill > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 10:15:38 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "'William J. Huson'" , Subject: RE: bare bones minimum... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:15:34 -0400 So, if we assume max HP at 90 mph, and all due to air friction: HP=k*v**3 27 = k*90**3 k= 3.7*10**-5 HP at 60 mph = 3.7*10**-5 * 60**3 HP at 60 mph = 8.0 --jon -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:54 AM To: William J. Huson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... My Ninja 250 has a tall windscreen and a large tail trunk. It's got 27 HP and will run at 75+ all day. The fastest I've ever seen on it was 95, but there was a bit of help with gravity to get to that. It'll get pretty close to 90 on the level. It's sold as a sport bike, but the ergonomics really aren't much different than a standard. It's built for short folks, so the pegs are a bit high, but other than that it's good. Leon. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP > to drive a scoot down > the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame > mount fairing and > at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up > the airflow. Figure > super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with > traffic. > > My previous scoots: > > A 90cc Kawi street bike. WOT it would do 70 at a > zillion RPM, and if I > tucked in it would get up to 77 at a gazillion RPM. > Not very comfy, and > the two-stroker would fry a plug every 100 miles or > so at that speed. > > 250cc Kawi triple. That sucker would spin up to > triple digits, but it > handled like a pig. Also fried the center plug at > Warp 3 speeds. Not > to mention the buzz would numb your paws, your > feet, and your ass. > > 350cc Honda, 4-stroke twin. Gag and puke. Without a > doubt the worst > handling bike I've ever owned. At 80 it was > dangerous, despirately > wanting to go into a dreaded tank slapper. However, > the engine was > bulletproof and would crank all day long without a > whimper. > > 550cc Suzuki: The best bike I owned. 4 cyl UJM. > Solid handling, a > dream to ride, turned in 58 MPG at Warp 3 and never > missed a beat. That > one had a frame mount Quicksilver fairing and tail > trunk. I piled the > miles up on that puppy, more than adequate for the > long haul. > > 1340 EVO Harley bagger. Okay, very comfy on the > road, lots of storage > space, but it's aerodynamically dirty and the milage > at road speed > blows. Not known for handling, but the Hawg is very > forgiving. It will > accept radical changes in speed while blazing thru a > turn without > getting twitchy. But it do suck gas. > > I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a > well engineered > *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing > and tail trunk. > Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. > > Bill > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 10:21:09 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:20:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Finally, a question with which I have some experience. --- Dave Yates (in response to Bill Huson) wrote: > [Dave] It depends on whether you're asking what is > the bare > bones minimum hp needed to drive a bare bones > minimum > standard motorcycle with economical & efficient > fairing down > the highway at speeds of 75-80 mph, or to be able to > cruise > comfortably at that speed (not topped out). > This 'econobike', would not have top speed for a > goal, nor > handling, so it won't need the 'widest, stickiest > gumball > tires, but still radials. Why radials? Perhaps I don't ride hard enough, I've swapped back and forth between radials and bias ply tires on my ZX6 and there doesn't seem to be much difference in handling or wear either way. >I'll bet our econobike > could get > by with a 300cc twin, maybe a hair less. I'm > guessing to be > comfortable cruising at 75-80, you'll need 35-40 hp > peak, and > enough torque to get it to that speed, making a twin > not such > a bad idea. I'm guessing also that an econo-scoot > could be > pared down to about 300# wet, and have an overdrive. > You may > be able to get by with 25-30 hp, but that would be a > > stretch... I think 300 lbs wet is an unreasonably low number. The specs on the motor I had rebuilt for the Iron Butt Rally this fall called for no more than 30 HP. I can't afford to beef up the bottom end of the motor to take more than that. It was balanced, got all new main bearings, cylinders cleaned up, new rings, new oil pump (with higher pressure relief) and the valve seats were reground. This year's Iron Butt rally calls for a minimum performance requirement of 65 mph on a 7% upgrade below 4000 ft elevation. With 600 lbs total weight I can meet the performace specification with about 23 HP. I did 3 1000 mile days in April with this bike, part of that ride included 2783 miles in three days. You don't need 40 HP, but you do need to be able to call on 25 HP most of the time. Again, using the Ninja 250 as an example, if I ride it like it's a BMW touring bike, the motor only lasts about 30,000 miles. My commuter bike has 37,000 on it and I expect that motor to last well over 60,000. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 10:27:38 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:27:29 -0400 > > From: "William J. Huson" > 350cc Honda, 4-stroke twin. Gag and puke. Without a doubt the worst > handling bike I've ever owned. At 80 it was dangerous, despirately > wanting to go into a dreaded tank slapper. However, the engine was > bulletproof and would crank all day long without a whimper. Gee, I had two of these (a 68 or 69, later a 71). Once I replaced the worn out bronze swingarm bushings they handled decently, for the era. But those bushings were good for 10,000 miles MAX. Better to replace them by 6000 miles. And yeah, they were pretty much bulletproof. I remember running the superslab hour after hour at 7000 rpm (about 70mph) and the bike never even whimpered. Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 11:14:15 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:13:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: some got it, some don't... the ability to multi-task while driving, that is. Some folks can scarf lunch, chnage CDs, carry on a conversation, and still maintain the intended path of travel for their vehicle. And then there are the ones who can't... In preperation for my volunteer duty as cargo hauler for Milady's school fund raising shindig, I went uptown to fuel up the van. Coming back to home port I was stopped in the left turn lane at John Marr and Backlick. A car on Backlick goes to turn right on John Marr - YIKES! Not enough wheel crank and he's headed right for my door! *eek* driver stops car inchs from impact. I see the problem. He tried and failed to turn the wheel far enough with his right hand. His left hand had a cell phone plastered to his ear, hopefully a cell phone that produces enough radiation to crispy his TINY BRAIN! Sheesh! Mouth still yammering, he regrips the steering wheel, cranks it over, and motors off, front bumper dang near close to my van to scrape the road crud off. Tis times like this when I wish marking offensive driver's cars witha paint ball gun loaded with day-glo was legal. Or better yet, an anchient siege weapon that could launch a two-ton boulder on top of their vehicle *splat* oh yeah, one less dim bulb driver to worry about. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:15:47 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:15:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dave Yates wrote: > > Bill ponders - > >Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive > >a scoot down the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a > >frame mount fairing and at least a tail trunk, but no side > >bags to mess up the airflow. Figure super-slab speeds of > >steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. > > > >My previous scoots: > > > > ... > >I'm thinking the ideal efficient scoot would be a well > >engineered *standard* bike with a sleek frame mount fairing > >and tail trunk. Power, a V-twin for torque, around 500cc. > > [Dave] It depends on whether you're asking what is the bare > bones minimum hp needed to drive a bare bones minimum > standard motorcycle with economical & efficient fairing down > the highway at speeds of 75-80 mph, or to be able to cruise > comfortably at that speed (not topped out). > This 'econobike', would not have top speed for a goal, nor > handling, so it won't need the 'widest, stickiest gumball > tires, but still radials. Why radials? This is an econobike. There are bias ply tires out there that offer sufficient grip, outstanding tread life, and decent cost. Radials tend to be pricey and wear out too quickly. > of course, that's accounting for the far superior chain > drive Fully enclosed chain drive, right? That's the only way to get decent life out of a chain & sprockets. We are talking economy again... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:23:54 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:21:27 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Leon Begeman Cc: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Leon Begeman wrote: > > My Ninja 250 has a tall windscreen and a large tail > trunk. It's got 27 HP and will run at 75+ all day. Hi Leon, welcome back. Do stock 250s have any problems running with semi's on the highway? Or are they clean enough to get around them and stay ahead? I know your rally- equipped bike has a bit more plastic to push through the air, and you had mentioned the drafting effect before. A 400cc twin would probably do just fine. I liked the belt-drive suggestion. Lighter than a fully-enclosed chain. Topbox instead of saddlebags to help the aero package. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:28:20 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:27:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Brian and Laura Saturday wedding? To: Brian Roach Cc: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Brian Roach wrote: > If you're actually interested, Laura put together a website ... > http://www.lauraandbrian.com > > We'll be in sunny Jamaica for a week, then back in ... lovely DC ... on > the 12th. > > - Brian & Laura Congratulations, you two! Best wishes, long and happy life, yadda yadda... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:31:46 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... I've been following this disussion with interest, as I keep musing about doing an SS1k on my GS500 at some point (if I can get it working, that is). It seems like everyone is assuming that you need a windscreen -- is that for comfort, efficiency, or is it basically just too tiring to do a long day without one? Steve Miller's schweet SV650 had a nice Givi windscreen, which looked verrry pretty. Dunno if I could afford to slap one on the GS this year, though. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:35:06 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:34:40 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7901bab027baf4f368133a089ecb70428f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I opined about the econobike running radials: > > Why radials? This is an econobike. [Dave] Ok, where's the tire guy? I *thought* I remembered reading that radials offered lower rolling resistance (generally) than bias ply??? Of course, I'm still shaking off the Nyquil haze . Are radials more economical? > Fully enclosed chain drive, right? That's the only > way to get decent life out of a chain & sprockets. > We are talking economy again... :) [Dave] Short run, or long run ? don't shafts take up more hp ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 14:35:35 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:35:27 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: Fish Flowers Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Cc: DC-Cycles Given what you were willing to pay for the SV, you'd think that you could scrounge up $125 or so for the windscreen. ;-) BTW I sold the SV in the middle of last week and then bought it back this past Monday. I couldn't live without it! On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 02:31PM, Fish Flowers wrote: >Steve Miller's schweet SV650 had a nice Givi windscreen, which looked >verrry pretty. Dunno if I could afford to slap one on the GS this year, >though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 15:11:28 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:10:28 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Dale Horstman CC: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Dale Horstman wrote: > > of course, that's accounting for the far superior chain > > drive > > Fully enclosed chain drive, right? That's the only > way to get decent life out of a chain & sprockets. > We are talking economy again... :) > > Horkster Harley tried that. No surprise, the cases leaked like screen doors. Next plan, the belt, which is the perfect solution. No lube required. Long life. And I've never found an adjustment neccessary between rear tire changes = ~16K miles. Power loss to rear wheels is way less than shaft drives. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 15:11:35 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:11:32 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... In response to the actual question, you should try riding at 75 mph on an interstate for several hours without a windscreen of any sort. YES, the wind beats you up. Big time. It's what you notice if you already have a comfy seat and riding position. After that, you're wishing for cruise control. On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 02:31PM, Fish Flowers wrote: >I've been following this disussion with interest, as I keep musing about >doing an SS1k on my GS500 at some point (if I can get it working, that >is). It seems like everyone is assuming that you need a windscreen -- is >that for comfort, efficiency, or is it basically just too tiring to do a >long day without one? > >Steve Miller's schweet SV650 had a nice Givi windscreen, which looked >verrry pretty. Dunno if I could afford to slap one on the GS this year, >though. > >Fish. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 15:17:17 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:16:20 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Fish Flowers wrote: > I've been following this disussion with interest, as I keep musing about > doing an SS1k on my GS500 at some point (if I can get it working, that > is). It seems like everyone is assuming that you need a windscreen -- is > that for comfort, efficiency, or is it basically just too tiring to do a > long day without one? I like a frame mounted fairing for stability, wind gusts don't seem to bother my aim as much as the clip-on windscreen I have now. A friend - age 60+ - rode a naked H-D Superglide to California and back - twice. He averaged around 400+ miles per day, no rush, he was seeing `Murica. But I have no desire to put the miles down without some windbreak in front of me. I'd say comfort is the top score. > Steve Miller's schweet SV650 had a nice Givi windscreen, which looked > verrry pretty. Dunno if I could afford to slap one on the GS this year, > though. > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 15:21:30 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:20:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Stephen Miller CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Stephen Miller wrote: > In response to the actual question, you should try riding at 75 mph on an interstate for several hours without a windscreen of any sort. YES, the wind beats you up. Big time. It's what you notice if you already have a comfy seat and riding position. After that, you're wishing for cruise control. Had a Vista Cruise on my old Suzuki - luved that thang on long hauls. On my recent trip to FL I snapped on a "Throttle Boss" AKA throttle rocker on the twister thang. Easy to adjust and it really works. Kind of annoying at first when you decide to shut down and pull off for gas or whatever (butt break!). Kind of induces a few unintentional throttle blips until you get used to it being there. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 16:05:00 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:02:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Fish Flowers wrote: > > I've been following this disussion with interest, as I keep musing about > doing an SS1k on my GS500 at some point (if I can get it working, that > is). It seems like everyone is assuming that you need a windscreen -- is > that for comfort, efficiency, or is it basically just too tiring to do a > long day without one? I'm considering doing a SS1000 with my '82 GS850 (naked standard) if I ever get it running consistently on all 4 cyclinders. :) I don't think a windscreen is necessary. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 16:06:40 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:04:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Ok, where's the tire guy? I *thought* I remembered reading that > radials offered lower rolling resistance (generally) than bias ply??? I had heard that in the past, but don't know if it's right or not. > > Fully enclosed chain drive, right? That's the only > > way to get decent life out of a chain & sprockets. > > We are talking economy again... :) > > [Dave] Short run, or long run ? don't shafts take up more hp ? And probably suck up some mpgs, too. I like the belt drive suggestion someone posted earlier. Best of all worlds for a small economical tourer. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 16:40:59 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:40:29 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: horkster@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brian and Laura Saturday wedding? I still say Brian should change his last name to Granato. :-) Scooter In a message dated 5/1/2003 1:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > Brian Roach wrote: > > > If you're actually interested, Laura put together a website ... > > http://www.lauraandbrian.com > > > > We'll be in sunny Jamaica for a week, then back in ... lovely DC ... on > > the 12th. > > > > - Brian & Laura > > Congratulations, you two! Best wishes, long and happy > life, yadda > yadda... :) > > Horkster > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 17:16:11 2003 From: Jason Picton To: Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: bare bones minimum... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:14:35 -0400 While a windscreen doesn't seem to make a big difference, it does. I have two small bikes - bandit 400 and a hawk gt.. both are about the same size and hp give or take. The gt has a small targa screen the bandit doesn't. When I have taken either of them to work - 15 minutes in dc and 20 minutes on I95 - there is a huge difference. You don't fight the wind as much - not a big deal on short trips, but it takes it's toll on the longer ones - and you don't feel as battered when you get their (ok, and you don't have as many bugs go splat on you either) just my $.02 jason From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 17:26:06 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:26:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Carbs. Well, since I so clearly bollocksed up my carbs the last time I tried to clean them, I thought I'd have another go at damaging them this afternoon. I haven't yet diassembled them, but noticed the following odd thing: I unscrewed the drain plugs, but only one carb (the left one) had gas in it; the other one didn't drain a drop. Does this mean anything to anyone, or is it just an odd coincidence? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 17:41:18 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 17:41:15 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Carbs. I am no carb expert, but from working on old Honda 4-cylinders I know a little. There are a couple of things that come to mind: 1) The float level for one or both carbs is not right, generally this will make a carb overflow (gas flows into the carb but not out) or run dry (gas flows out faster than it can get in); 2) the dry carb is getting no gas. For that you need to clean jets, fuel filters if you have them, etc. Sometimes there's just a fuel filter at the petcock and any problems will happen to both carbs, but sometimes with home mechanics or maybe even with factory ones there'll be an individual fuel filter for each carb. As for jets, it depends on the design, but generally the smallest jets (idle jets, pilot jets, whatever they're called) get clogged FIRST and so simply poking them out with a small piece of wire will do the trick. Now the true carb experts can say how wrong I am. - Steve On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 05:26PM, Fish Flowers wrote: >Well, since I so clearly bollocksed up my carbs the last time I tried to >clean them, I thought I'd have another go at damaging them this afternoon. >I haven't yet diassembled them, but noticed the following odd thing: I >unscrewed the drain plugs, but only one carb (the left one) had gas in it; >the other one didn't drain a drop. > >Does this mean anything to anyone, or is it just an odd coincidence? > >Fish. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 17:42:17 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Carbs. Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:53:03 -0400 Son, you have many issues with those carbs. Perhaps worrying about all the little individual problems right now shouldn't be your focus. Get thee a carb rebuilt kit. It will have new jets, needles, screws, valves, gaskets, o-rings, etc. Put ALL new bits in there, adjust them to spec, and start from there. That's what that means to me... Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [SMTP:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:26 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Carbs. > > Well, since I so clearly bollocksed up my carbs the last time I tried to > clean them, I thought I'd have another go at damaging them this afternoon. > I haven't yet diassembled them, but noticed the following odd thing: I > unscrewed the drain plugs, but only one carb (the left one) had gas in it; > the other one didn't drain a drop. > > Does this mean anything to anyone, or is it just an odd coincidence? > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 17:56:27 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 17:56:25 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Carbs. Bah. Why not just throw the money away? This bike hasn't been sitting in a barn for 20 years, it just got a little gummed up between November and April. On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 05:53PM, Michael Lynch wrote: >Son, you have many issues with those carbs. Perhaps worrying about all the >little individual problems right now shouldn't be your focus. Get thee a >carb rebuilt kit. It will have new jets, needles, screws, valves, gaskets, >o-rings, etc. Put ALL new bits in there, adjust them to spec, and start >from there. > >That's what that means to me... > >Mike >96 VFR >88 Hawk >76 CB400F > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 18:08:01 2003 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Ow. Brief public service announcement: carburetor cleaner in the eye hurts like the Dickens. Fish. you have been warned From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 18:30:04 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Ow. Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:29:34 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f0bea05423274ec710089343ac0d7ede350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Fish warned us: > Brief public service announcement: carburetor cleaner in the eye hurts > like the Dickens. > > Fish. > you have been warned [Dave] They do lack the clarity of the Claymore "Front Towards Enemy" warning... Hopefully you're using aerosol cleaner, and lots of it... let's jack that hydrochloroflourocarbons into the atmosphere so next winter will be warm & toasty ;-) Spray safe ! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 18:46:03 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Stephen Miller'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Carbs. Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:57:12 -0400 Ya think? Found a rebuild kit for a GS500 : Float Bowl Gasket, O-Rings, Float Needle & Seat Assy $12. If he keeps looking down one end of the jets and squirting up the other, he'll have those cleaned up in no time, so the kit covers everything else. :-) Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Miller [SMTP:freecat@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:56 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Carbs. > > Bah. Why not just throw the money away? This bike hasn't been sitting in > a barn for 20 years, it just got a little gummed up between November and > April. > > > On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 05:53PM, Michael Lynch > wrote: > > >Son, you have many issues with those carbs. Perhaps worrying about all > the > >little individual problems right now shouldn't be your focus. Get thee a > >carb rebuilt kit. It will have new jets, needles, screws, valves, > gaskets, > >o-rings, etc. Put ALL new bits in there, adjust them to spec, and start > >from there. > > > >That's what that means to me... > > > >Mike > >96 VFR > >88 Hawk > >76 CB400F > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 18:49:30 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:49:28 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ow. Fish Flowers wrote: > > Brief public service announcement: carburetor cleaner in the eye hurts > like the Dickens. > > Fish. > you have been warned bah. carb cleaner is no worse than gasoline in the eye. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 19:39:31 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:38:34 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ow. Fish Flowers wrote: > Brief public service announcement: carburetor cleaner in the eye hurts > like the Dickens. > > Fish. > you have been warned Heh - discovered one of those "blind" holes in the carb casting, eh? Squirt in, instant out ... AARRGGGHHH! Safety glasses. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 1 22:39:04 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 22:35:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Carbs. From: Stephen Miller To: Well jeez for $12... obviously not a Coleman's price! ;) BTW, love the image of Fish spraying through a jet into his eye. on 5/1/03 6:57 PM, Michael Lynch at MLynch@XXXXXX wrote: > Ya think? Found a rebuild kit for a GS500 : > Float Bowl Gasket, O-Rings, Float Needle & Seat Assy $12. > If he keeps looking down one end of the jets and squirting up the other, > he'll have those cleaned up in no time, so the kit covers everything else. > :-) > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Miller [SMTP:freecat@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:56 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: Carbs. >> >> Bah. Why not just throw the money away? This bike hasn't been sitting in >> a barn for 20 years, it just got a little gummed up between November and >> April. >> >> >> On Thursday, May 01, 2003, at 05:53PM, Michael Lynch >> wrote: >> >>> Son, you have many issues with those carbs. Perhaps worrying about all >> the >>> little individual problems right now shouldn't be your focus. Get thee a >>> carb rebuilt kit. It will have new jets, needles, screws, valves, >> gaskets, >>> o-rings, etc. Put ALL new bits in there, adjust them to spec, and start >>> from there. >>> >>> That's what that means to me... >>> >>> Mike >>> 96 VFR >>> 88 Hawk >>> 76 CB400F >>> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 00:39:23 2003 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 00:33:22 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Willville Bike Camp this weekend... Hey Ya'llz, Just writting to announce that I'm heading down to Willville bike camp this weekend in Meadows of Dan, VA. It's 1 mile off the BRP. If anyone happens to be going down or would like to meet up and ride down Sat and come back Sunday let me know. I'll be on a black Bandit1200 with bags bristling from every pore. :) I know it's short notice but I thought I'd just put it out there anywayz just in case someone's soul needs to get out an reall shake their bike and brains down before the season gets really going...although for lots of us it has. :) Paz, Carl who is also a traveling Carl. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 01:44:43 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike thefts Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 01:24:47 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out and using them to steal motorcycles. So keep your eyes open for minivans that look tampered with and missing both rows of back seats.. especially going into self storage unit facilities. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 01:56:52 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: stolen 01 gsxr - $1500 reward if found Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 01:36:16 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- $1500 Recovery Reward: 2001 black/yellow suzuki GSXR has yellow disk lock on rear wheel, black disc lock on front wheel no rear seat or cowl installed at time of theft blue paint on right side of frame near the seat stock except frame sliders There is a $1500 reward for the recovery of the bike, no questions asked, soley as a finders fee for the bike being recovered. I didnt' have full coverage since I was planning on selling the bike on sunday. So I'd rather lose out on $1500 than the bikes value. It was stolen from the cheverly / bladensburg area. If you see any bike resembling this bike, that wasnt' there before monday, please let me know. Or if you have any other info... leading to the recovery of the bike.. please let me know. If you know of any mini vans stolen around last weekend, please let me know of that too. Danny 240-353-9175 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 06:13:20 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 06:09:43 -0400 On Thursday 01 May 2003 14:31, Fish Flowers wrote: > I've been following this disussion with interest, as I keep musing about > doing an SS1k on my GS500 at some point (if I can get it working, that > is). It seems like everyone is assuming that you need a windscreen -- is > that for comfort, efficiency, or is it basically just too tiring to do a > long day without one? > I have a detachable one and prefer to ride without it. With it on, the updraft I get buffets the helmets in such a way that my vision is jittery. With my full faced helmets, if I leave the smallest crack, the wind catches it and can flip the shield up. I've had it on for the past couple of days and one of the annoying things is the updraft blows right into my nose (if you've seen me, I have a fairly long and large nose :-) It almost feels like it's being wiggled around by the wind. Without the windscreen, the various road crud and bugs smack into any exposed skin. A minor drizzle feels funny to lightly painful. The buffeting seems to be lots less although the slightest opening in the jacket sometimes causes it to become a sail forcing full zip ups. I had a nice gooshy bug hit the end of my nose Wednesday and leave a nice splat under my left eye. Rita complains about the smell from the road when I get home. Garbage trucks are the most fun :-) In general, it seems that I get better gas mileage without the screen. I haven't been able to take much of a long trip with or without it to see the comfort level. If I could figure out the best way to pack it, I'd probably switch it out. Have it mounted for a bit and packed for a time. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 07:20:18 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: bike thefts Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:20:15 -0400 OK, I'll bite. Why (and HOW for that matter) are they using minivan seats to cart off bikes? Wouldn't be easier to just push the bikes? ----- Daniel wrote: Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out and using them to steal motorcycles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 07:31:03 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: bike thefts Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:27:27 -0400 Not with those wheel locks. I'd use four guys and two 4' pipes. Those wheel locks make it easy. A pipe through each wheel (which is now fixed in place) and a guy on each end of the pipe (ewww) and the bike "walks". Maybe the seats are to sit on. Minivan seats are sometimes fairly comfortable. Carl On Friday 02 May 2003 07:20, Jon Strang wrote: > OK, I'll bite. Why (and HOW for that matter) are they using minivan > seats to cart off bikes? Wouldn't be easier to just push the bikes? > > ----- Daniel wrote: > > Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out > and using them to steal motorcycles. -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 07:50:13 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:01:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: bike thefts On Fri, 2 May 2003, Jon Strang wrote: > OK, I'll bite. Why (and HOW for that matter) are they using minivan > seats to cart off bikes? Wouldn't be easier to just push the bikes? haha :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 07:59:40 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: bike thefts Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:59:34 -0400 Y, I didn't realize Daniel had his own bike stolen when I read the first post (re: minivans). -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:27 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: bike thefts Not with those wheel locks. I'd use four guys and two 4' pipes. Those wheel locks make it easy. A pipe through each wheel (which is now fixed in place) and a guy on each end of the pipe (ewww) and the bike "walks". Maybe the seats are to sit on. Minivan seats are sometimes fairly comfortable. Carl On Friday 02 May 2003 07:20, Jon Strang wrote: > OK, I'll bite. Why (and HOW for that matter) are they using minivan > seats to cart off bikes? Wouldn't be easier to just push the bikes? > > ----- Daniel wrote: > > Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out > and using them to steal motorcycles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 08:00:23 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ow. On Thu, 1 May 2003, Skip Smith wrote: > bah. carb cleaner is no worse than gasoline in the eye. No, not really. But the only time I've seen gasoline spray at the same velocity is when I didn't fully relieve the fuel pressure in my cage when yanking the fuel filter. Addendum: gasoline in the eye _also_ hurts. For the record, I was spraying _away_ from me, through one of the little bitty jets. It just turned out to be a little _too_ bitty, and most of the cleaner pulled a Frenchman and fled from the jet. Into my eye. Ow. So I gave it up and went to the ballgame instead. Curve 7, Baysox 2. Dastardly Altoona. Somehow I always end up backing the losers. Fish. maybe next year From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 08:01:20 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Carbs. On Thu, 1 May 2003, Michael Lynch wrote: > Ya think? Found a rebuild kit for a GS500 : > Float Bowl Gasket, O-Rings, Float Needle & Seat Assy $12. Oh -- where? Haven't seen one that cheap. Does that include float bowls? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 08:32:49 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: Carl Schelin , DC-Cycles Carl, I think you need a different windscreen or the one you have needs to be mounted in a different place. You could also use Saeng edge molding or Baker air wings to move the airflow a few inches. With those options, you should be able to find a combination that works. Once you get close to the right airflow, then get a windscreen that doesn't need all the funny attachments to put the air where it works best. Leon. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > I have a detachable one and prefer to ride without > it. > > With it on, the updraft I get buffets the helmets in > such a way that my > vision is jittery. With my full faced helmets, if I > leave the smallest crack, > the wind catches it and can flip the shield up. I've > had it on for the past > couple of days and one of the annoying things is the > updraft blows right into > my nose (if you've seen me, I have a fairly long and > large nose :-) It almost > feels like it's being wiggled around by the wind. > > Without the windscreen, the various road crud and > bugs smack into any exposed > skin. A minor drizzle feels funny to lightly > painful. The buffeting seems to > be lots less although the slightest opening in the > jacket sometimes causes it > to become a sail forcing full zip ups. I had a nice > gooshy bug hit the end of > my nose Wednesday and leave a nice splat under my > left eye. Rita complains > about the smell from the road when I get home. > Garbage trucks are the most > fun :-) > > In general, it seems that I get better gas mileage > without the screen. I > haven't been able to take much of a long trip with > or without it to see the > comfort level. If I could figure out the best way to > pack it, I'd probably > switch it out. Have it mounted for a bit and packed > for a time. > > Carl > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a > National Security risk if > Windows Source Code is made > public. > So why are they releasing it to the > Chinese Government? > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, > Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for > phone and address > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 08:56:56 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: spam: Lexmark printer & cartridges Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:56:21 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7902cd6b160a39d69b1ef7407423cba3b4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c A couple weeks back, my lexmark 3200 printer started screwing up, feeding incorrectly. I don't know if it's worth saving, and don't care, I have a new printer now. The 3200 uses expensive cartridges; 12a1980, 12a1985, 12a1990 (photo) & 12a1970(black ink). all the ink cartridges are used, but have ink left. There's one each color & black in the printer, 1 photo cartridge, and 2 color that I have no idea how much ink is left... I can't use them anymore, and they're taking up valuable space - free to good home, let me know off list Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:13:19 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 06:13:15 -0400 (EDT) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: Stephen Miller , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Carbs. I don't need to be a carb expert to know that you're wrong ... about pretty much everything. %^) -------Original Message------- From: Stephen Miller Sent: 05/01/03 05:41 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Carbs. Now the true carb experts can say how wrong I am. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:31:28 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:31:17 EDT Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/1/2003 4:05:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > I'm considering doing a SS1000 with my '82 GS850 GS850, G or L? One of the best long haul saddles ever put on a bike. 1,308mi. nonstop on mine (850G), not because I was trying to do miles but because I just did not feel like stopping. Damn fine bike. (Uses no oil at city speeds BUT at highway speeds it uses a _lot_ I had to add oil about every other gas stop. And no it was not just mine, it was common for that bike. Just check it when on the highway. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:33:06 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: bike to work... Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:32:31 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790bae46155ae67349431a5b14466fc9e0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I guess this is 'bike to work' day. One can't help but know this, it's been on / in every news outlet around - WTOP, at least NBC, The Wash. Post, Wash Times, Journal... How come "Ride to Work" day doesn't generate ANY publicity, much less even a little? :-/ Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:33:06 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:29:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bike thefts To: Daniel Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Daniel wrote: > > Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out > and using them to steal motorcycles. Let's get our local legislatures to pass laws to outlaw these mommyvans, before the problem gets worse! Act now! For the good of all moto-riding humanity! Then again, they are probably stealing mostly chain-driven motorcycles, so this isn't really a crisis yet. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:35:21 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:34:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bike thefts To: Jon Strang Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Jon Strang wrote: > > Y, I didn't realize Daniel had his own bike stolen when I read the first > post (re: minivans). Me neither, when I wise-cracked about chain-driven bikes. Sorry, Daniel. That sucks. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:35:58 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: bike thefts Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:35:22 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792f578ea0a091d2e0467cedade58fbaa5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Hork jumped up on the stump & pontificated: > Let's get our local legislatures to pass laws > to outlaw these mommyvans, before the problem > gets worse! Act now! For the good of all > moto-riding humanity! [Dave] Dale - please refer to them correctly, they're Assault vehicles. Night operating optics, high capacity passenger compartments, sliding side doors often used for drive by bayonettings... Oh the humanity. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:48:06 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:46:45 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bike thefts To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dave Yates wrote: > > Hork jumped up on the stump & pontificated: > > > Let's get our local legislatures to pass laws > > to outlaw these mommyvans, before the problem > > gets worse! Act now! For the good of all > > moto-riding humanity! > > [Dave] Dale - please refer to them correctly, they're Assault vehicles. > Night operating optics, high capacity passenger compartments, sliding side > doors often used for drive by bayonettings... Oh the humanity. Yeah, but "Assault" equipment usually looks pretty grim and effective. A mommyvan on the other hand, looks kinda silly and poofy in comparison... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:48:08 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:47:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bike to work... To: Dave Yates Cc: DCCycles Dave Yates wrote: > > I guess this is 'bike to work' day. One can't help but know this, it's been > on / in every news outlet around - WTOP, at least NBC, The Wash. Post, Wash > Times, Journal... > > How come "Ride to Work" day doesn't generate ANY publicity, much less even a > little? :-/ > > Dave Yates First I heard of it. But what do I know? I retired 10 months ago. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:53:20 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:53:05 EDT Subject: Re: Ow. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/2/2003 8:00:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > For the record, I was spraying _away_ from me, That stuff has a targeting system that would make a smart bomb jealous. I have no idea how they get a targeting system in there, but that shit will make a 180deg. turn for no apparent reason and go right into your eye. Or if necessary due to safety glasses it will bank off of your cheek bone just below the glasses and into your eye. Not that eye have any experience. Not that you have brought back painful memories. OW! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:53:30 2003 Subject: Re: bike to work... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Kevin_Hawkins@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:49:54 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ITXF2ALN09/InternetMail(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 05/02/2003 09:50:04 AM Because motorcycles don't impede traffic the way bicycles do. Yeah, I know....share the road....yada...yada... Kevin Hawkins kevin_hawkins@XXXXXX http://www.kevinhawk.com Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 //'93 Yamaha GTS1000 "Calling upon my years of experience, I froze at the controls." - Stirling Moss +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I guess this is 'bike to work' day. One can't help but know this, it's been on / in every news outlet around - WTOP, at least NBC, The Wash. Post, Wash Times, Journal... How come "Ride to Work" day doesn't generate ANY publicity, much less even a little? :-/ Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:54:28 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:52:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 5/1/2003 4:05:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm considering doing a SS1000 with my '82 GS850 > > GS850, G or L? > > One of the best long haul saddles ever put on a bike. 1,308mi. nonstop on > mine (850G), not because I was trying to do miles but because I just did not > feel like stopping. > Damn fine bike. Mine's a G model. Haven't been more than 60 or 70 miles from home on it yet, so haven't had a chance to really try out the saddle. I do appreciate being able to scoot back or forward, these modern saddles that lock your butt into one place aren't all that comfy, IMO. > (Uses no oil at city speeds BUT at highway speeds it uses a _lot_ I had to > add oil about every other gas stop. And no it was not just mine, it was > common for that bike. Just check it when on the highway. Thanks for the tip, I'll keep an eye on it. I envision this bike being used for more around-town hot-weather cruising, but it sure would look cool with an IBA plate frame on the back. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:57:18 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:57:09 EDT Subject: Re: bike thefts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/2/2003 9:48:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > A mommyvan on the other hand, looks kinda silly and poofy They do not look poofy at all when they are coming at you #8-P> John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:59:16 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:56:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Willville Bike Camp this weekend... To: Carl Parker Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Carl Parker wrote: > I know it's short notice but I thought I'd just put it out there anywayz > just in case someone's soul needs to get out an reall shake their bike > and brains down before the season gets really going...although for lots > of us it has. :) D'oh! I'd go if I didn't have kids soccer games to attend to this weekend. Willville is a cool new campground. That's a neat area to ride around in, as well. Enjoy. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 09:59:41 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:56:49 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive a scoot down > the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame mount fairing and > at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up the airflow. Figure > super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. I had a GS550e that I thought was just find on the highway. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 10:03:49 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:01:11 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... find == fine doh Skip wrote: > > "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > > Curious, what do y`all think would be a minimum HP to drive a scoot down > > the highway? I'm thinking a road bike with a frame mount fairing and > > at least a tail trunk, but no side bags to mess up the airflow. Figure > > super-slab speeds of steady 75/80 to stay with traffic. > > I had a GS550e that I thought was just find on the highway. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 10:14:43 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:10:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Carbs. From: Stephen Miller To: DC-Cycles When I mentioned carb experts on the list, I certainly wasn't talking about YOU. You're the bodywork spraybomb expert. ;-P on 5/2/03 6:13 AM, cvkgpena@XXXXXX at cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't need to be a carb expert to know that you're wrong ... about pretty > much everything. %^) > > -------Original Message------- > From: Stephen Miller > Sent: 05/01/03 05:41 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Carbs. > > Now the true carb experts can say how wrong I am. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 10:34:23 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:34:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > [Dave] Short run, or long run ? don't shafts take up more hp ? >And probably suck up some mpgs, too. I like the belt drive >suggestion someone posted earlier. Best of all worlds for >a small economical tourer. >Horkster One of the guys in the USEnet sportbike group did a belt conversion on his Interceptor 500. Man, I'd have loved to have owned that bike for a while, but he sold it last year without telling the group that it was for sale. 8;( On the original subject, my GS-500E would cruise no sweat at 80 with its measly 43 hp and my 210 lbs.. Buzzy, but cruising. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:16:00 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:14:56 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bare bones minimum... Larry Larson wrote: > > [Dave] Short run, or long run ? don't shafts take up > more hp ? > >And probably suck up some mpgs, too. I like the belt > drive > >suggestion someone posted earlier. Best of all worlds for > >a small economical tourer. > >Horkster > > One of the guys in the USEnet sportbike group did a belt > conversion on his Interceptor 500. Man, I'd have loved to > have owned that bike for a while, but he sold it last year > without telling the group that it was for sale. 8;( > > On the original subject, my GS-500E would cruise no sweat > at 80 with its measly 43 hp and my 210 lbs.. Buzzy, but > cruising. > > -- Larry My `81 GS550E was a great road bike. Adding a Quicksilver fairing did the trick - halogen headlight mega-watts briter than the OEM sealed beam. My only beef was, and Hork will love this, the dang chain! Soemwhere on those week long getaways I'd be eatting breakfast with greasy hands while adjusting the frigging chain. A PITA. And one long haul thru rain musta washed the lube off `cause the next day I noticed the center part of the rollers had turned gun metal blue! Heat I reckon. Hey, I wasn't going that fast, although the Joan Claybrook (85 MPH) speedo needle had these wierd litte dents on the pin side. Methinks that run cooked the O-ring dealies too. Chain went TU at about 10K. I cut it off and used normal chain after that. I miss that bike. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:16:04 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Carbs. Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:27:01 -0400 You need float bowls too? Those carbs are worse off than we thought. https://www.partsnmoreonline.com Shows the kits, but no float bowls. I'd say ebay or OEM for that. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [SMTP:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:01 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: Carbs. > > On Thu, 1 May 2003, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > Ya think? Found a rebuild kit for a GS500 : > > Float Bowl Gasket, O-Rings, Float Needle & Seat Assy $12. > > Oh -- where? Haven't seen one that cheap. Does that include float bowls? > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:49:21 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike thefts Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:45:52 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- The irony is, you know times are bad, when at first only honest people used to use their minivans against us... now that dishonest people are using them against us, the world has gone to hell! (just joking around). hey if anyone stores their bike in a storage facility and sees anyone with a large storage unit with a lot of bikes, let me know. I had a friend whos' bike was stolen last year and was found in a storage unit with about 20 bikes.. the unit was found because, a person was arrested for something, and gave up the location for a lighter sentence. and in exchange for a lighter sentence. So keep your eyes open for unusual minivans and unusual storage units. On Fri, 02 May 2003 09:29:42 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Daniel wrote: >> >> Bike theives are stealing minivans and taking the seats out >> and using them to steal motorcycles. > >Let's get our local legislatures to pass laws >to outlaw these mommyvans, before the problem >gets worse! Act now! For the good of all >moto-riding humanity! > >Then again, they are probably stealing mostly >chain-driven motorcycles, so this isn't really >a crisis yet. > >:) > >Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:50:41 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike thefts Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:47:09 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- it's okay.. life happens. hopefully i'll get lucky.. if i don't, then that's life, take the good with the bad. On Fri, 02 May 2003 09:34:40 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Jon Strang wrote: >> >> Y, I didn't realize Daniel had his own bike stolen when I read the first >> post (re: minivans). > >Me neither, when I wise-cracked about chain-driven bikes. >Sorry, Daniel. That sucks. > >Hork From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 11:52:17 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ow. Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:51:33 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- It's pretty freaking scary when you get stuff in your eye... i've gotten "air-craft" paint remover, and water/battery acid in my eye... it's kinda embarasing too.. . I run in the house while dropping my gloves for no apparent reason (from a spectators view) then run into the shower to rinse my eye out scared as hell, and it burns a little... where did i put my goggles again.. oh that's right i bought some glasses. and geeze those werne't even sprays.. the battery splashed overfill water, and the paint remover flicked back from a brush. sheehs. On Fri, 2 May 2003 09:53:05 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 5/2/2003 8:00:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >fish@XXXXXX writes: > >> For the record, I was spraying _away_ from me, > >That stuff has a targeting system that would make a smart bomb jealous. >I have no idea how they get a targeting system in there, but that shit will >make a 180deg. turn for no apparent reason and go right into your eye. Or if >necessary due to safety glasses it will bank off of your cheek bone just >below the glasses and into your eye. >Not that eye have any experience. >Not that you have brought back painful memories. >OW! > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:09:32 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Shock Revalve & Respring? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Does anyone know of a local shop that can revalve and respring a motorcycle shock? Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:22:54 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 12:24:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Shock Revalve & Respring? From: Steve Miller To: Excellent question, Chris. I have a GSX-R shock that needs to be revalved and resprung for my SV. I seem to remember reading that Computrack will do this, in addition to their other services. - Steve on 5/2/03 12:09 PM, Chris Weaver at chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anyone know of a local shop that can revalve and > respring a motorcycle shock? > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:37:38 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:37:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Shock Revalve & Respring? To: Steve Miller , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yes I need this too....... --- Steve Miller wrote: > Excellent question, Chris. I have a GSX-R shock > that needs to be revalved > and resprung for my SV. I seem to remember reading > that Computrack will do > this, in addition to their other services. > > - Steve > > on 5/2/03 12:09 PM, Chris Weaver at > chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a local shop that can revalve > and > > respring a motorcycle shock? > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:42:57 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Carbs and beer. Awright, that's it. I have a six-pack of beer (your choice) for anyone who'll sit down with me for an hour or two and _show_ me how to properly clean a carburetor. Two carbs -- you clean one and I watch, then I clean one and you can tell me how I've fucked up. I'll even buy pizza. Beer offer does not extend to Chimay or equivalent (I'm a poor man) or Michelob Ultra. Fish. i also promise not to spray carb cleaner in your eye From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 12:59:31 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 12:58:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Carbs, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Fish mentions being interested in getting tech advice on cleaning carbs. The NEDOD folks have periodic "wrenching 101" days where people bring their bikes, parts, tools, to a volunteer's house (preferably one with a garage, tools, know how) and help one another with bike repairs, etc. I'm not long on the tools and garage aspects, but would be interested in attending such a thing in this area, and, if nothing else, bringing beer -- prolly along the lines of something from Old Dominion or Cap City, where I can get growlers (~2 liter resealable glass bottles) filled. Anyone? Anyone? Also, if there are any oilhead owners here, with knowlege of the (in)famous surging issues, I'd appreciate having someone take my RT for a spin and tell me what they think. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 13:11:12 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Daniel H. Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Carbs, etc. Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:21:54 -0400 A buddy has an RS and is selling it for the surging reason alone. Without riding it I can tell you what I think... I think it needs the European spec map in the FI instead of the US spec one. I think BMW designed it to run fine in Europe. When the bike didn't meet (EPA or CARB or whoever in the US) spec when it got here, BMW threw another map on it to get it to pass. *poof* Instant surging. Just MHO Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel H. Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:58 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Carbs, etc. > > > Fish mentions being interested in getting tech advice on cleaning carbs. > The NEDOD folks have periodic "wrenching 101" days where people bring > their > bikes, parts, tools, to a volunteer's house (preferably one with a garage, > tools, know how) and help one another with bike repairs, etc. > > I'm not long on the tools and garage aspects, but would be interested in > attending such a thing in this area, and, if nothing else, bringing beer > -- > prolly along the lines of something from Old Dominion or Cap City, where I > can get growlers (~2 liter resealable glass bottles) filled. > > Anyone? Anyone? > > Also, if there are any oilhead owners here, with knowlege of the > (in)famous > surging issues, I'd appreciate having someone take my RT for a spin and > tell me what they think. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 13:14:04 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:11:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Shock Revalve & Respring? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Fri, 2 May 2003, Chris Weaver wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:09:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Weaver > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Shock Revalve & Respring? > > Does anyone know of a local shop that can revalve and > respring a motorcycle shock? As always, Check CrossRoads. I think they're certified for at least some brands. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 13:43:15 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:42:08 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Daniel CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ow. YIKES!!! Aircraft stripper !!! That stuff is vicious. Stripped a car with it once, didn't wear an OSHA approved respirator and could taste that crap for days. Not to mention walking kinda funny, a la le drunk person. I recall a careful application `cause it eats everything that isn't metal, window seals, weatherstripping, body filler, propylene parts, and even fiberglass parts. Your eyeballs had to hurt, even a splash on bare skin hurts - like a jellyfish sting. Bill Daniel wrote: > It's pretty freaking scary when you get stuff in your eye... > i've gotten "air-craft" paint remover, and water/battery acid > in my eye... it's kinda embarasing too.. . I run in the house while > dropping my gloves for no apparent reason (from a spectators view) > then run into the shower to rinse my eye out scared as hell, > and it burns a little... where did i put my goggles again.. oh > that's right i bought some glasses. > > and geeze those werne't even sprays.. the battery splashed overfill > water, and the paint remover flicked back from a brush. sheehs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:05:50 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:04:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Carbs and beer. To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Fish Flowers wrote: > > Awright, that's it. > > I have a six-pack of beer (your choice) for anyone who'll sit down with me > for an hour or two and _show_ me how to properly clean a carburetor. You had me until *properly*... lol! Sorry, although I'm sure someone on here will help you out. > then I clean one and you can tell me how I've fucked up. I could have nailed this part, too. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:09:48 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Carbs and beer. Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:05:26 -0400 On Friday 02 May 2003 12:42, Fish Flowers wrote: > Awright, that's it. > > I have a six-pack of beer (your choice) for anyone who'll sit down with me > for an hour or two and _show_ me how to properly clean a carburetor. Two > carbs -- you clean one and I watch, then I clean one and you can tell me > how I've fucked up. > > I'll even buy pizza. Beer offer does not extend to Chimay or equivalent > (I'm a poor man) or Michelob Ultra. > I don't know if this'll help but my carb project pages are at http://www.schelin.org/chopper. Head down to Dec 21st. Or you can go directly to the pages I used: http://www.cyclemaintenance.com/mechicscorner/cb750_carbs.html You may have to wander around cyclemaintenance to see if your specific carb/bike is listed. > Fish. > i also promise not to spray carb cleaner in your eye Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:12:30 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:07:49 -0500 From: "Michael Moore" Reply-To: To: , "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Shock Revalve & Respring? I also have a GSXR shock for my GS500 I bought off ebay. How can I tell if it needs to be rebuilt? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Daniel H. Brown" Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:11:26 -0400 (EDT) >On Fri, 2 May 2003, Chris Weaver wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:09:24 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Chris Weaver >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Shock Revalve & Respring? >> >> Does anyone know of a local shop that can revalve and >> respring a motorcycle shock? > >As always, Check CrossRoads. I think they're certified for at least some >brands. > > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:17:22 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Question on Starter/Brushes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Okay, I fixed my pilot screw problem with a tap but now the starter seems to have given up. My battery is new and has 100% charge, having just come off the charger. The bike turns over a couple times semi-strongly and then just seems to struggle and turns over very slowly if at all. My thought is that the brushes in the starter motor could be worn (Bike never turned over very powerfully in the 1.5 months I've had it). Measuring the brushes shows that they are 11mm and 10mm long. Suzuki service manual says 9mm minimum. How long are new brushes and how quickly do they wear? Am I right in thinking that this is the most likely source of the problem? Brush that comes off the wire from the battery IS pretty chipped. Thanks, Adam Reinhardt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 14:35:07 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:32:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Shock Revalve & Respring? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Fri, 2 May 2003, Michael Moore wrote: > > I also have a GSXR shock for my GS500 I bought off ebay. How can I tell if it needs to be rebuilt? Put it on the bike and see if it damps like it should? Prolly are more scientific methods. Maybe these will help: http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/SuspensionTuningFAQ.htm http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0006_susp/ -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 15:01:40 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:00:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Michael Lynch CC: "'Daniel H. Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Carbs, etc. Michael Lynch wrote: > A buddy has an RS and is selling it for the surging reason alone. Yep - sell it. I've been following the oilhead surge prob in MCN. Maybe a BMW engineer could fix the problem, but then BMW would have to *admit* they have a problem. Rider error, the factory toots. But the surge may keep you off the bike so you wouldn't run up against the next problem - the trannys going tits up around 30K. And you wouldn't have to sweat the sudden failure and loss of control when the rear splines puke. Or maybe that's on another model Beemer. Bill > Without riding it I can tell you what I think... I think it needs the > European spec map in the FI instead of the US spec one. I think BMW > designed it to run fine in Europe. When the bike didn't meet (EPA or CARB > or whoever in the US) spec when it got here, BMW threw another map on it to > get it to pass. *poof* Instant surging. > > Just MHO > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel H. Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:58 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Carbs, etc. > > > > > > Fish mentions being interested in getting tech advice on cleaning carbs. > > The NEDOD folks have periodic "wrenching 101" days where people bring > > their > > bikes, parts, tools, to a volunteer's house (preferably one with a garage, > > tools, know how) and help one another with bike repairs, etc. > > > > I'm not long on the tools and garage aspects, but would be interested in > > attending such a thing in this area, and, if nothing else, bringing beer > > -- > > prolly along the lines of something from Old Dominion or Cap City, where I > > can get growlers (~2 liter resealable glass bottles) filled. > > > > Anyone? Anyone? > > > > Also, if there are any oilhead owners here, with knowlege of the > > (in)famous > > surging issues, I'd appreciate having someone take my RT for a spin and > > tell me what they think. > > > > > > -- > > Dan Brown > > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 15:24:49 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Carbs, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Fri, 2 May 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > A buddy has an RS and is selling it for the surging reason alone. > > Yep - sell it. I've been following the oilhead surge prob in MCN. Maybe > a BMW engineer could fix the problem, but then BMW would have to *admit* > they have a problem. Rider error, the factory toots. They've been suggesting I need to keep the RPM's over 4000 for "normal" riding. I've been keeping it down around 2500 to 3500 -- big surge zone. >But the surge may > keep you off the bike so you wouldn't run up against the next problem - > the trannys going tits up around 30K. I'd settle for the MoDiTec computer (BMW's super shop diag tool) being functional when I went to the dealer to have them look at it. I'm 0 and 2 for recent visits. The pickup sensor they hook to the spark wire keeps fritzing out when they're trying to sync the throttle bodies. They've had to resort to a Twinmax Syncronizer (computerized carb stick kinda thing) to do the job. > And you wouldn't have to sweat the sudden failure and loss of > control when the rear splines puke. Or maybe that's on another model Beemer. Ya, the spline issue supposed to be fixed. There's a ton of engineering I really dig though. Lots of nice whizzy features. Useful Mirrors to start with. Great suspension. ABS. 2 part seat that is comfy for both pilot and pillion. On the fly adjustable windshield. Heated grips, stock. Many Etc. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 15:42:30 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:42:13 EDT Subject: Re: Carbs, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/2/2003 3:25:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > > And you wouldn't have to sweat the sudden failure and loss of > > control when the rear splines puke. Or maybe that's on another model > Beemer. > > Ya, the spline issue supposed to be fixed. Yea, they fixed the rear splines when they eliminated them with the bolt on wheel. At the same time they moved from a wet (gear oil) to a dry driveshaft. So its splines started burning out. And that assumes you keep the clutch splines lubed so they do not burn out. BMW cannot make splines. And yes I put 200,000mi. on one, I have the right to bitch. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 21:02:10 2003 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 21:00:41 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ow. X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.157.8.211] at Fri, 2 May 2003 20:01:59 -0500 Skip Smith wrote: > Fish Flowers wrote: > > > > Brief public service announcement: carburetor cleaner in the eye hurts > > like the Dickens. > > > > Fish. > > you have been warned > > bah. carb cleaner is no worse than gasoline in the eye. > > Skip Here's another Public Service Announcement. Carb cleaner sprayed on Styrofoam makes poor man's Napalm. Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director The Suzuki Owners Club -USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 2 23:26:33 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Ow. Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 23:25:49 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79df6b496897b71c17a10463a8f8d24228350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Steve took us pretty far off topic with: > Here's another Public Service Announcement. > > Carb cleaner sprayed on Styrofoam makes poor man's Napalm. [Dave] ok, Steve started it ;-) A miscreant acquaintance of mine used to work at Sheehy Ford. He was magnafluxing some stuff for me, so I stopped by to pick the parts up and got there a little early. When left to his own devices, the entire world was in immediate danger. Sure enough "hey Dave, check this out" WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH He had some cannister of brake cleaner under unbelievably high pressure, and had lit the stream with a lighter. His demonstration did not go unnoticed either... from the back of his ( I think the tool room ), past the parts counter, to where the mechanics in the bay saw it... That was a loooong way. He got yelled at for 10 minutes, there was some impressive profanity thrown about. uhhhh....huhuhuhuhuh ... Fire is COOL ... huhuh... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 00:33:48 2003 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 00:32:17 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: DCCycles Subject: Ow..... X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [141.157.8.211] at Fri, 2 May 2003 23:33:35 -0500 uhhhh....huhuhuhuhuh ... Fire is COOL ... huhuh... > > Dave Dave, Just so I can explain how I Know Carb cleaner on Styrofoam makes Napalm............. Way back when.......... about the time that the V-max was just introduced and I was Parts, Service & Sales person for $4.25 an hour at a Maryland MC Stealership, we had this Mechanic that used that mixture on a rat that he had trapped in the service bay. I enter the service bay to see this flaming "thing" streaking across the parking lot, dripping flaming bits, until it stopped after a run of 30 flaming yards, only to find the new guy explaining precisely what he did. I didn't last much long there, after that ........ but I'm always on the lookout for a MD serial Killer. This guy had the potential. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 12:04:46 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen GSXR $2000 reward Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:02:21 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- $2000 for any information leading ot the recovery of the GSXR listed below. I didnt' have full coverage on the bike as I was planning on selling it immediately. So I'd rather take a smaller financial loss and pay for the return of the bike. While a part of me would like to bring pain to the theives or send them to their judgement day immediately (diplomaticly speaking), I let those thoughts go. I'm not interested in who stole the bike, I'm not into religion, but I believe God is our judge, so they can account for thier sins with him, not me. I believe to be merciful and forgiving is a virtue of a higher character and intellect, and blessed, special person, so that's all i'm trying to be. I certainly see power, wisdom, advantages and benifits of being merciful and forgiving, for non hanieous acts. It's not for me to judge anyone, nor cast the first stone. While i'm certaintly capable and willing to harm deserving people, I don't believe in initiating violence merely out of anger. They didn't attempt to bring any harm to me anyway, I can respect that, and leave it on that level.. and forgive and be merciful. So now, I have no ill will or interest in who they are for any vengance type of reason, I'm just tryng to recover the bike. If the identity is needed for that, that's fine. If the bike can be recovered without it, I don't need to know who they are. But there is a $2000 reward for any information leading to the recovery of the bike, be that vehicle location, identifying the persons who stole it, reporting suspicious storage facilities with numerous bikes that seems out of the ordinary, or even working with the theives themselves to have the bike recovered I do not care if the theives profit, for we all create our own destinies, which catch up with us, good or bad. bike description: 2001 GSXR 750 yellow black unique features: 750 forks/engine/swingarm, with the 01 yellow and black 600 plastics/bodywork paint scheme the 600 sticker was removed from the tail section, sticker residue was on the left side of the tail white frame sliders at the time it was stolen there was no rear seat or cowl on it, rear wheel had a yellow disc lock and the front wheel had a black disc lock. there is a blue paint spot on the right side of the frame near the seat. (which of course is not permenent) tag number: O11M63 vin number: js1gr7ha612103739 If you see any suzuki 01 GSXR's that look suspect, wether the color of my bike or not, give me a call, maybe I can still identify it. Spread the word to your friends Danny 240-353-9175 vin last four #'s: 3739 put the last four digits of my VIN # in your cell phonebook under my name as a secondary phone # , so if you see any parked GSXR's that look suspect, you'll have access to check it immediately. Also look for VIN number alterations, such as sanding or scratching out or changing of the numbers, and contact the police if the bike looks suspect. oh and please forward this post to any bike clubs you know of online. Thanks, Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 12:37:00 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen Hiyabusa $5,000 Reward Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:29:24 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- please forward this to other lists A custom hiyabusa was stolen. painted White, with a blue panther painted on the side fairings. chrome and polished out The owner is offering a $5,000 reward more info coming later, but in the mean time, contact me if you have any information. Danny 240-353-9175 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 12:44:26 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen honda 954 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:43:11 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Tim with the 954, who rides his dog on the gas tank had his 954 stolen. Red and black, wheels painted gold/bronze type of color bronze sticker kit to replace the factory sticker scheme and match the wheels if you see such a customized 954, it's stolen, notify the police. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 12:57:42 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Stolen honda 954 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:56:52 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7996fdb6154870f78bcfacffff01821e20350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Is there any kind of pattern WRT the 3 stolen bikes? common acquaintances, stolen from geographically close locations, owners all belong to common group ??? anything (other than the fact that they're sport bikes) ? Dave Yates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel" To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: Stolen honda 954 > Tim with the 954, who rides his dog on the gas tank had his 954 > stolen. > > Red and black, > wheels painted gold/bronze type of color > bronze sticker kit to replace the factory sticker scheme and match the > wheels > > if you see such a customized 954, it's stolen, > notify the police. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 20:24:14 2003 From: "George B" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Un-PC Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:23:52 +0000 >While a part of me would like to bring pain to the theives or send >them to their judgement day immediately (diplomaticly speaking) Why be diplomatic about it? Off with their throttle hand! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 20:28:15 2003 From: "George B" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen Bikes Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:28:08 +0000 A buddy of mine had a '79 Triumph Bonneville... after nearly shaking it apart over a 2 year period, he finally left it downtown with the key in it. No one stole it, so he took it back in, learned to wrench it and eventually traded it for a Norton 850. I think he had to pay some cash along with the trade. It looked cool, but mechanically it was a POS. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 3 22:29:50 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: Subject: OT: Military operation Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 22:29:26 -0400 Thought everyone might get a kick out of this and at the same time take pride in your country. This will give a hand to the men and women who serve this great country. http://www.operationsendbeer.com/ On the other hand, do people from DC Cycles want to do something on the Friday before memorial day to welcome in the many motorcycles that are coming from California and parts abroad? Schedule seems to me mid afternoon meeting at the Lincoln Memorial as always. Scott Russell From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 11:36:06 2003 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 11:35:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Louis Caplan In Roadbike To: DC Cycles Elvin315@XXXXXX wrote: > > Louis Caplan, MSF Instructor and COG member, is featured in the June 2003 > issue of Roadbike Magazine. The focus is work with hearing-impaired students. > I've said before that COG has the best people on two wheels and this is proof. > > Elvin Fyi, Louis is far to humble to announce this on his own... :) Way to go, Louis! Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 14:20:46 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Stolen GSXR $2000 reward Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:02 -0400 From: Daniel . . . snip tag number: O11M63 . . . snip MD/VA/DC/??? (though the tag may be shredded/altered by now). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 16:37:00 2003 From: "rich hall" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: impact wrench Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:36:40 -0400 I'm trying to get a 17mm bolt off a SVS to mount frame sliders. It won't budge w/ a regular wrench. The SVRider list told me to expect this and either use an impact wrench or a wrench that'a 2' long for leverage. Does anyone near Ballston have one? Thanks, Rich '02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 16:42:36 2003 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:52:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: impact wrench On Sun, 4 May 2003, rich hall wrote: > I'm trying to get a 17mm bolt off a SVS to mount frame sliders. It won't > budge w/ a regular wrench. The SVRider list told me to expect this and > either use an impact wrench or a wrench that'a 2' long for leverage. Does > anyone near Ballston have one? > Thanks, > Rich '02 SVS I have all the tools, but I'm way up in Frederick, MD :-) I'd suggest a run to Sears or Home Depot and getting a big breaker bar for leverage. You can get a pipe to fit over your existing wrench or a long ratchet. Good luck! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 17:22:17 2003 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 17:21:11 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: rich hall CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: impact wrench rich hall wrote: > I'm trying to get a 17mm bolt off a SVS to mount frame sliders. It won't > budge w/ a regular wrench. The SVRider list told me to expect this and > either use an impact wrench or a wrench that'a 2' long for leverage. Does > anyone near Ballston have one? > Thanks, > Rich '02 SVS Annandale VA - have 1/2' drive impact wrench & air compressor to drive it. Problem is the air hose falls a wee bit short of Ballston. Like Wayne sez, slide a long pipe over the breaker bar handle and stomp on it. If you use Craftsman sockets they'll replace it when you bust your 17mm in half :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 21:47:52 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'rich hall '" Cc: "'DC-Cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: impact wrench Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:58:51 -0400 And when you put a 6' pipe on the ratchet and stand on it, Craftsman will replace that too. ;-) Got lazy one day and used the 1/2" ratchet as a hammer since it was within reach. Of course, snap, there goes good bits. Landmark Sears has a help yourself return rack of ratchets. Drop your old, obviously abused ratchet in there and grab yourself a new one. Brilliant. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson If you use Craftsman sockets they'll replace it when you bust your 17mm in half :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 22:56:51 2003 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Home Depot sells an Impact Driver that you whack with a Mallet. They also sell the impact sockets to use with it. I'm in Springfield and have the impact driver, impact socket, dead blow mallet, and the desire to try it all on someone elses bike :-) > I'm trying to get a 17mm bolt off a SVS to mount frame sliders. It won't > budge w/ a regular wrench. The SVRider list told me to expect this and > either use an impact wrench or a wrench that'a 2' long for leverage. Does > anyone near Ballston have one? > Thanks, > Rich '02 SVS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 23:09:33 2003 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald Subject: Ideas? To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Either my bike has discovered how to create oil or somehow gas is working its way into my crankcase. Mechanic says its probably a stuck carb and might work itself out on its own, just keep draining the crankcase so it doesn't get too high. Not sure I like that, any better ideas? Bike is a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 if that helps. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 4 23:50:37 2003 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 23:44:33 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , richallmc@XXXXXX Subject: Re: impact wrench HAHAH I busted a 17mm working on my old Prelude. I had my back up against the garage wall with the heel of my foot on the very end of the wrench trying to get off a frozen strut pinch bolt. KERCHANG! What the f?*?!? Stinking 12 sided...I never buy 12 sided anymore. It was a Craftsman though so all I did was take it in they gave me a new one sho' nuff'! Gotta love that. What works well for the pipe extenstion to slip over the ratchet is a piece of ehxaust pipe. Usually you can go to an auto store and find a few different lengths and diameters; barring anything rediculuous...it should be strong enough. Impact wrench is the way to go though if you can...man I love those things. Ya know occasionally I hear people bashing Craftsman tools but I'd say they're good quality tools for the price and the fact that they're available almost everywhere helps too. I wouldn't turn down a box full of Snap-ons but until then... Paz, Carl who is still a wee bit of a Carl.. >Like Wayne sez, slide a long pipe over the breaker bar handle and stomp on >it. If you use Craftsman sockets they'll replace it when you bust your 17mm >in half :-) >Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 07:24:00 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:23:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: David Fruehwald cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ideas? X-Loop-Detect: 1 It does sound like gas is diluting your crankcase oil. Probably *not* a good idea to rely on that for engine lubrication. You may be able to reduce the problem by always turning off the fuel valve at the gas tank. If it's a vacuum actuated valve, then maybe it wants replacement. hth, -ph On Sun, 4 May 2003, David Fruehwald wrote: > Either my bike has discovered how to create oil or > somehow gas is working its way into my crankcase. > Mechanic says its probably a stuck carb and might work > itself out on its own, just keep draining the > crankcase so it doesn't get too high. > > Not sure I like that, any better ideas? > > Bike is a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 if that helps. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 07:28:19 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 04:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Ideas? To: David Fruehwald , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Sounds like MFI, when I wanted them to find the short or whatever was draining the battery on my ATV, they said to buy a trickle charger. So now I guess I have a non environmentally friendly electric ATV since I have to plug it in every few days. Todd W. --- David Fruehwald wrote: > Either my bike has discovered how to create oil or > somehow gas is working its way into my crankcase. > Mechanic says its probably a stuck carb and might > work > itself out on its own, just keep draining the > crankcase so it doesn't get too high. > > Not sure I like that, any better ideas? > > Bike is a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 if that helps. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:04:54 2003 From: "rich hall" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tow Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:04:46 -0400 I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II won't start. Anyone have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington area? Rich 94 Seca II 02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:10:29 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "rich hall" , Subject: Re: tow Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:10:00 -0400 The only one around that I know of is Kenny at Independent Motorcycle Transport, maybe he can give you an idea. 301-946-5412 Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" To: Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: tow > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II won't start. Anyone > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington area? > > Rich > 94 Seca II > 02 SVS > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:15:03 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 05:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: tow To: DC Cycles Rich - Have you asked the shop where you'll be taking it to? They may have someone... Brian Ray '80 kz440 --- rich hall wrote: > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II > won't start. Anyone > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington > area? > > Rich > 94 Seca II > 02 SVS > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:18:04 2003 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:18:05 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: impact wrench Carl Parker wrote: > Ya know occasionally I hear people bashing Craftsman tools but I'd say > they're good quality tools for the price and the fact that they're > available almost everywhere helps too. I wouldn't turn down a box full > of Snap-ons but until then... When you use your tools to earn a living all day, every day, doing the stupid stuff like putting 3 feet of pipe on the ratchet and swinging from it, your tools have to be able to take it. From my experience, the name brand tools, Snap-on, Mac, Matco, really are superior. They withstand significantly more abuse than craftsman tools, and that's important, because you need that 17mm socket all day. For most home use, craftsman is sufficient. if you're going to earn with your tools, having (and relying on) Craftsman becomes a royal p.i.t.a. as always, your mileage may vary significantly. Do not attempt. Professional driver on a closed course. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:23:54 2003 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:23:56 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: David Fruehwald , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ideas? *ahem* "Danger Will Robinson! Danger Will Robinson!" Gas in the crankcase reduces the effectiveness of the oil drestically. if you're leaking fuel into the crankcase, you need to not run the bike. period, the end. Gas in the crankcase also creates a significant fire hazard. figure out how it's getting in there, ASAP. Your crank bearings will thank you by not seizing. Your Cams will thank you by not shedding their lobes. Skip David Fruehwald wrote: > > Either my bike has discovered how to create oil or > somehow gas is working its way into my crankcase. > Mechanic says its probably a stuck carb and might work > itself out on its own, just keep draining the > crankcase so it doesn't get too high. > > Not sure I like that, any better ideas? > > Bike is a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 if that helps. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 08:31:47 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tow Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:31:39 -0400 I'm thinking Crossroads, need to call them though. Was planning on asking them too. >From: Brian Ray >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: tow >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 05:14:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Rich - > >Have you asked the shop where you'll be taking it to? >They may have someone... > >Brian Ray >'80 kz440 > >--- rich hall wrote: > > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II > > won't start. Anyone > > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington > > area? > > > > Rich > > 94 Seca II > > 02 SVS > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 09:45:51 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 06:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: tow Rich, Definitely talk to Denny at Crossroads. While I'm sure they don't have a regular tow service, I do know that he's got a big trailer for hauling motorcycles around. If he's doing the work, then he's got at least some incentive to help you get the bike to his shop. Chuck -------Original Message------- From: rich hall Sent: 05/05/03 08:31 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tow > > I'm thinking Crossroads, need to call them though. Was planning on asking them too. >From: Brian Ray >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: tow >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 05:14:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Rich - > >Have you asked the shop where you'll be taking it to? >They may have someone... > >Brian Ray >'80 kz440 > >--- rich hall wrote: > > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II > > won't start. Anyone > > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington > > area? > > > > Rich > > 94 Seca II > > 02 SVS > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 10:33:24 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:32:50 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: tow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rich, Henry's will tow motorcycles, they're licensed and insured. Make damn sure you watch them (whomever you choose) hook the bike up. If you can't go with them, snap some pictures of the bike "pre hookup". A bum tow 3 or 4 years ago earned me about $600 in damage to the fairing, and a gouge in one fork leg. Whatever insurance you carry on the bike will not cover you while being towed. . good luck, Dave >I'm thinking Crossroads, need to call them though. Was planning on asking >them too. > >>From: Brian Ray >>To: DC Cycles >>Subject: Re: tow >>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 05:14:30 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Rich - >> >>Have you asked the shop where you'll be taking it to? >>They may have someone... >> >>Brian Ray >>'80 kz440 >> >>--- rich hall wrote: >> > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II >> > won't start. Anyone >> > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington >> > area? >> > >> > Rich >> > 94 Seca II >> > 02 SVS >> > >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >>http://search.yahoo.com >> > > >_____________________________________________________________ ____ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 10:53:48 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:51:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tow My kid probably can't say this 'cause he'd be soliciting - but Thomas is working for Hunter Woods towing and carries motorcycle tiedown equipment on his truck. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 11:13:53 2003 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:12:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: rich hall CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tow My Harley has been on the hook four times, three for transfers after a wreck and a fourth after Crossroads Cycles failed to properly torque the cam gear bolt, which let go rendering the scoot powerless. Lacking plastic fairings, a pair of straps and a lift with the hook sufficed for towing. The tow guy also strapped the wheels to the snatch blocks. No damage, no problems. Henry's did the deed. Bill rich hall wrote: > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II won't start. Anyone > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington area? > > Rich > 94 Seca II > 02 SVS > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 11:14:06 2003 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Date: Mon, 5 May 103 11:14:03 EDT To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: excellent - Willville Bike Camp Just wanted to pass on the great facilities at the Willville Bike Camp - a motorcycles-only campground. It's located at the Meadows of Dan, Virginia (South of Roanoke). It's 3/4 mi. off the Blue Ridge Parkway, west on Rt. 58. http://www.willvillebikecamp.com/ I stayed there this weekend and was really impressed. Nice, drained sites. Babbling brook. Bath-house with hot showers. The $12/night fee even includes a sausage or chicken biscuit and a cup of coffee in the morning. I don't know how he can keep the fee so low! I met the owner, Will, who is a real low-keyed nice guy. He's put a lot of thought and energy into making a very nice campground. Check it out! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 11:19:31 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:19:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: excellent - Willville Bike Camp To: Chris Norloff , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" I agree. That place is great. Went there last year. Will is very nice and let us use his computer to check weather at our possible destinations. mark --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Just wanted to pass on the great facilities at the > Willville Bike Camp - a motorcycles-only campground. > It's located at the Meadows of Dan, Virginia (South > of Roanoke). It's 3/4 mi. off the Blue Ridge > Parkway, west on Rt. 58. > > http://www.willvillebikecamp.com/ > > I stayed there this weekend and was really > impressed. Nice, drained sites. Babbling brook. > Bath-house with hot showers. The $12/night fee even > includes a sausage or chicken biscuit and a cup of > coffee in the morning. I don't know how he can keep > the fee so low! > > I met the owner, Will, who is a real low-keyed nice > guy. He's put a lot of thought and energy into > making a very nice campground. > > Check it out! > > Chris Norloff > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 11:25:06 2003 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Date: Mon, 5 May 103 11:25:04 EDT To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: excellent - Willville Bike Camp Yeah, it's about 300 mi. from here (at least it is if you ride the Skyline Drive from Rt. 211 Thornton Gap south, then ride the Blue Ridge Parkway all the way to Meadows of Dan. It's on the Definite List for the future, and the wonderful North Carolina mountains and Blue Ridge Parkway is near. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Kitchell Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:19:28 -0700 (PDT) >I agree. That place is great. Went there last year. >Will is very nice and let us use his computer to check >weather at our possible destinations. > >mark > > >--- Chris Norloff wrote: >> Just wanted to pass on the great facilities at the >> Willville Bike Camp - a motorcycles-only campground. >> It's located at the Meadows of Dan, Virginia (South >> of Roanoke). It's 3/4 mi. off the Blue Ridge >> Parkway, west on Rt. 58. >> >> http://www.willvillebikecamp.com/ >> >> I stayed there this weekend and was really >> impressed. Nice, drained sites. Babbling brook. >> Bath-house with hot showers. The $12/night fee even >> includes a sausage or chicken biscuit and a cup of >> coffee in the morning. I don't know how he can keep >> the fee so low! >> >> I met the owner, Will, who is a real low-keyed nice >> guy. He's put a lot of thought and energy into >> making a very nice campground. >> >> Check it out! >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> > > >===== > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 11:26:39 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'William J. Huson'" , rich hall Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: tow Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:37:43 -0400 Henry's may tow motorcycles, but the drivers don't all know how to do it. After my CB1000 wreck, the guy couldn't figure out how to lash it to the flatbed. Granted the front wheel was sideways and stuffed up under the motor, but he couldn't even figure out how to get it ON the flatbed. He ended up laying it on its side and dragging it up. No kidding. Then just left it like that on the bed, on it's side. I got pictures. Don't let this happen to you. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:13 AM > To: rich hall > Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: tow > > My Harley has been on the hook four times, three for transfers after a > wreck > and a fourth after Crossroads Cycles failed to properly torque the cam > gear > bolt, which let go rendering the scoot powerless. Lacking plastic > fairings, > a pair of straps and a lift with the hook sufficed for towing. The tow > guy > also strapped the wheels to the snatch blocks. No damage, no problems. > Henry's did the deed. > > Bill > > > > rich hall wrote: > > > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II won't start. > Anyone > > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington area? > > > > Rich > > 94 Seca II > > 02 SVS > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 11:34:59 2003 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:34:00 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Michael Lynch CC: rich hall , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tow The mistake was "flatbed". A wide expanse of slick aluminum. I have no clue, other than pinned down chocks, how one goes about keeping a scoot upright on a flatbed. I imagine some flatbeds are equipped with proper tie downs and chocks, but any hook truck can hoist a bike. The ideal would be a cycle trailer. Most M/C shops have acces to those. Bill Michael Lynch wrote: > Henry's may tow motorcycles, but the drivers don't all know how to do it. > After my CB1000 wreck, the guy couldn't figure out how to lash it to the > flatbed. Granted the front wheel was sideways and stuffed up under the > motor, but he couldn't even figure out how to get it ON the flatbed. He > ended up laying it on its side and dragging it up. No kidding. Then just > left it like that on the bed, on it's side. > > I got pictures. Don't let this happen to you. > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William J. Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:13 AM > > To: rich hall > > Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: tow > > > > My Harley has been on the hook four times, three for transfers after a > > wreck > > and a fourth after Crossroads Cycles failed to properly torque the cam > > gear > > bolt, which let go rendering the scoot powerless. Lacking plastic > > fairings, > > a pair of straps and a lift with the hook sufficed for towing. The tow > > guy > > also strapped the wheels to the snatch blocks. No damage, no problems. > > Henry's did the deed. > > > > Bill > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 12:08:44 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: FS: 2000 Blue SV650 (not mine) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A friend of a friend is selling his standard-model 2000 SV650. Looks to be in fantastic shape, but I've never seen it in person. Bike is located in Alexandria. Take a look: http://www.geocities.com/vasv650/index.html Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 12:48:04 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "rich hall" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: impact wrench Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:47:57 -0400 Rich: What I generally do in lieu of a 2 foot long wrench: Go to Home Depot and buy a two or three foot length of steel pipe big enough to fit over the end of your wrench. If that won't do it, you're in trouble. HTH, Bob > > From: "rich hall" > Date: 2003/05/04 Sun PM 04:36:40 EDT > To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: impact wrench > > I'm trying to get a 17mm bolt off a SVS to mount frame sliders. It won't > budge w/ a regular wrench. The SVRider list told me to expect this and > either use an impact wrench or a wrench that'a 2' long for leverage. Does > anyone near Ballston have one? > Thanks, > Rich '02 SVS > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 12:54:03 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: 2000 Blue SV650 (not mine) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:55:49 -0500 You yahoo site has exceed it's transfer limit. How much is your friend asking for it? Rob On Mon, 5 May 2003 09:08:41 -0700 (PDT), Chris Weaver wrote > A friend of a friend is selling his standard-model > 2000 SV650. Looks to be in fantastic shape, but I've > never seen it in person. Bike is located in > Alexandria. Take a look: > > http://www.geocities.com/vasv650/index.html > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 13:00:13 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:00:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: FS: 2000 Blue SV650 (not mine) To: Rob Sharp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX He's asking $4,000 and IIRC, it's got about 6k miles on it. Blue and completely stock and undamaged as far as I can tell. I'll get more info if I can. If not, try checking back on the site tomorrow. Chris Weaver --- Rob Sharp wrote: > You yahoo site has exceed it's transfer limit. > > How much is your friend asking for it? > > Rob > > On Mon, 5 May 2003 09:08:41 -0700 (PDT), Chris > Weaver wrote > > A friend of a friend is selling his standard-model > > 2000 SV650. Looks to be in fantastic shape, but > I've > > never seen it in person. Bike is located in > > Alexandria. Take a look: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/vasv650/index.html > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > -- > Rob Sharp > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 13:04:03 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: FS: 2000 Blue SV650 (not mine) On Mon, 5 May 2003, Rob Sharp wrote: > You yahoo site has exceed it's transfer limit. Guess I got in fast. From the website: 2000 SV650Y (Blue) 6462 original miles Never dropped or raced. Bought from Coleman PowerSport in 05/2000. Two years scheduled maintenance performed by dealer. Well kept, all stock. Cover, tools, manual included. Three HJC helmets, battery charger also available. $4000 obo Alexandria, VA 571-239-6831 Fish. too bad it's blue From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 13:08:47 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:08:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: FS: 2000 Blue SV650 (not mine) On Mon, 5 May 2003, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2003, Rob Sharp wrote: > > > You yahoo site has exceed it's transfer limit. > > Guess I got in fast. From the website: > > 2000 SV650Y (Blue) > 6462 original miles > Never dropped or raced. > Bought from Coleman PowerSport in 05/2000. > Two years scheduled maintenance performed by dealer. The two lines above worry me. -dave -- cerberus@XXXXXX Little bunny Cthulhu hopping through the forest, www.ginch.org picking up fieldmice and ripping out their souls. Your screams, my music. Fight the break of dawn. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 13:25:16 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: impact wrench Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:26:11 -0400 A quick glance at the torque specs on a VFR shows nothing torqued to more than 80 ft.-lbs. That's for the rear wheel nuts. OK, there is one exception, the rear axle big honking nut is 141 ft-lbs. One of the many things I enjoy about working on motorcycles is that you don't need a "jesus" bar, AKA "break-it" bar, or impact wrench to loosen things up (unlike automobiles and farm equipment) unless something is seriously wrong, seized up or mis-threaded. I have a 24" long 1/2" drive socket (with 6-point sockets) that's been more than adequate to the task for everything on a bike. Paul in DC, who's yet to break a Craftsman tool, but maybe I haven't tried hard enough. :) The Snap-On truck visits the service station at the end of the block once a week. It's bad when temptation comes to your doorstep. 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Smith" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: Re: impact wrench > Carl Parker wrote: > > Ya know occasionally I hear people bashing Craftsman tools but I'd say > > they're good quality tools for the price and the fact that they're > > available almost everywhere helps too. I wouldn't turn down a box full > > of Snap-ons but until then... > > When you use your tools to earn a living all day, every day, doing the > stupid stuff like putting 3 feet of pipe on the ratchet and swinging > from it, your tools have to be able to take it. From my experience, the > name brand tools, Snap-on, Mac, Matco, really are superior. They > withstand significantly more abuse than craftsman tools, and that's > important, because you need that 17mm socket all day. > ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 13:45:36 2003 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:44:44 -0400 From: Skip To: Paul Wilson CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: impact wrench Paul Wilson wrote: [snip] > Paul in DC, who's yet to break a Craftsman tool, but maybe I haven't tried > hard enough. :) The Snap-On truck visits the service station at the end of > the block once a week. It's bad when temptation comes to your doorstep. > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org Don't get on that truck to browse. you will emerge in debt. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 14:37:27 2003 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: impact wrench Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:37:11 -0400 Too True. A nice distraction (and office and wallet-safe) is to go to www.snapon.com and look up part number 9400GMBO. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC Don't get on that truck to browse. you will emerge in debt. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 14:55:56 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "'rich hall'" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: impact wrench Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:55:53 -0400 I've got a huge wrench. And WD-40. If you interested, let me know off line. Seriously, I'm v. close to the Pentagon (5 minutes from Ballston). --jon -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:37 PM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: impact wrench I'm trying to get a 17mm bolt off a SVS to mount frame sliders. It won't budge w/ a regular wrench. The SVRider list told me to expect this and either use an impact wrench or a wrench that'a 2' long for leverage. Does anyone near Ballston have one? Thanks, Rich '02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 14:58:02 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "'David Fruehwald'" , Subject: RE: Ideas? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:57:59 -0400 You have two problems: (1) bad vacuum-actuated petcock (2) carb float-needle-valve that doesn't float or doesn't valve. Fix it and change your oil. --jon -----Original Message----- From: David Fruehwald [mailto:dfruehwald@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:09 PM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ideas? Either my bike has discovered how to create oil or somehow gas is working its way into my crankcase. Mechanic says its probably a stuck carb and might work itself out on its own, just keep draining the crankcase so it doesn't get too high. Not sure I like that, any better ideas? Bike is a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 if that helps. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 17:35:44 2003 From: ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:35:31 EDT Subject: Re: tow / solicitation To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX I work for/co-manage Hunter's Woods Towing, covering the northern VA area... I PROPERLY tow motorcycles on my flatbed on a regular basis, using ancra tie-downs, canyon dancer bar harness, etc... Many Harleys (and we all know how anal Harley owners are about their chrome)..... Never had a problem or incident. Insured and all that good stuff... 703-928-9674 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 18:44:34 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: , Subject: RE: tow / solicitation Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:44:32 -0400 Jesus, I hope I NEVER have to do business with you!!! (But I'm putting your number in my wallet for sure!) Thanks! Gary Foreman TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com -----Original Message----- From: ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX [mailto:ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 5:36 PM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tow / solicitation I work for/co-manage Hunter's Woods Towing, covering the northern VA area... I PROPERLY tow motorcycles on my flatbed on a regular basis, using ancra tie-downs, canyon dancer bar harness, etc... Many Harleys (and we all know how anal Harley owners are about their chrome)..... Never had a problem or incident. Insured and all that good stuff... 703-928-9674 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 19:24:14 2003 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald Subject: ZR-7 Carb problems To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Thanks to all who responded. I think the vacuum petcock is OK since it does not leak when I remove the tank and provides fuel when connected to vacuum. I suspect a stuck float or valve in one or more carbs (what mechanic suggested). At least thats the theory I'm inclined to chase down at this point. The last time I rode the oil level did not increase so I may have sorted it out with my tuneup/carb synching/fuel system cleaner. I will however be keeping a close eye on the level to be sure its OK. Note for those concerned I did empty out the previous oil before the test ride. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 5 22:41:44 2003 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 21:33:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Semper Fi, Ducati Style.... http://www.carolinabreeze.com/img/photo/vir-apr-semper.jpg Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 01:14:16 2003 From: Daniel To: "Mobacc" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Stolen GSXR $2000 reward Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:54:23 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Maryland On Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:02 -0400, "Mobacc" wrote: >From: Daniel >. . . snip >tag number: O11M63 >. . . snip > > MD/VA/DC/??? (though the tag may be shredded/altered by now). > >Bill S. / DC >'99 VN750 >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 06:56:40 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: And in the news today Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 06:52:15 -0400 Three bike accidents in today's Washington Post A Calvert County man died yesterday after a traffic collision Saturday in which the motorcycle he was riding struck a car driven by a 17-year-old girl who was crossing a busy highway, a scenario that police said has become a deadly pattern in Southern Maryland. Michael W. Phelps, a 23-year correctional officer in Calvert County, died at Prince George's Hospital Center from injuries he suffered when he was thrown from his 2002 Harley-Davidson motorcycle on Route 5 in St. Mary's County, Maryland State Police said. Phelps, 46, was headed south on Route 5 about 12:30pm when the teenager, driving a 1993 Ford Escort, tried to make a left turn from Mechanicsville Road onto the divided highway, said Trooper Bob Rezza. To make the turn, she had to cross the side of the highway on which Phelps was traveling. [Several paragraphs on how dangerous the intersection is due to inexperienced teenagers, obstructed views and inadequate signage.] Maj. Thomas C. Hajl of the Calvert County sheriff's office said a formal police funeral was being planned for Phelps. "He was just a nice person," Hejl said. "He was always a very careful biker." In the same article at the end: Jay D. Rhode, 29, of St. Mary's was killed about 1pm Sunday when his motorcycle was hit head-on by a pickup truck on Route 231, police said. In the A section, Nation in Brief: Hobe Sound, Fla. - Motorcyclist Christopher Jude Doyle, 44, died after striking a cow that had wandered onto Interstate 95 through a hole cut in a fence. The cow also died. Florida fences on grazing land have been cut in recent years by people trying to reach psychedelic mushrooms that grow around cow manure. Let's be careful out there. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 07:04:20 2003 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 07:04:16 -0400 From: Skip Smith CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And in the news today Carl Schelin wrote: > > Three bike accidents in today's Washington Post > [snip] > In the A section, Nation in Brief: > > Hobe Sound, Fla. - Motorcyclist Christopher Jude Doyle, 44, died after > striking a cow that had wandered onto Interstate 95 through a hole cut in a > fence. The cow also died. Florida fences on grazing land have been cut in > recent years by people trying to reach psychedelic mushrooms that grow around > cow manure. speed kills. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 07:21:50 2003 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 07:21:18 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Semper Fi, Ducati Style.... That's cool. I bet the other racers never see him coming. Or going for that matter. :-) Scooter In a message dated 5/5/2003 9:33:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.carolinabreeze.com/img/photo/vir-apr-semper.jpg > > Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 08:12:51 2003 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:12:44 -0400 From: Larry Meyer To: DC Cycles List Subject: FS: 100th Anniversary V-Rod A friend of mine has a brand new Harley Davidson-silver 2003 V-ROD 100th anniversary edition for sale, asking $17K for it. It's located in Florida and I believe it's never been ridden. They won the bike in some sort of contest. Contact me off list if interested and I'll connect you with the owner. Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 08:24:33 2003 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 05:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: tow To: rich hall , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX independent m/c transport: 301 946-5412 --- rich hall wrote: > I've given up on trying to figure out why my Seca II > won't start. Anyone > have a favorite MC tow company in the Arlington area? > > Rich > 94 Seca II > 02 SVS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 09:22:48 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "'David Fruehwald'" , Subject: RE: ZR-7 Carb problems Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:22:45 -0400 David, I still would suspect the petcock. You can't fill up the crankcase with raw gasoline while the engine is running. The worst you'll get is super-rich blubbering. The petcock must be letting gasoline past while the engine is off. --jon -----Original Message----- From: David Fruehwald [mailto:dfruehwald@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:24 PM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ZR-7 Carb problems Thanks to all who responded. I think the vacuum petcock is OK since it does not leak when I remove the tank and provides fuel when connected to vacuum. I suspect a stuck float or valve in one or more carbs (what mechanic suggested). At least thats the theory I'm inclined to chase down at this point. The last time I rode the oil level did not increase so I may have sorted it out with my tuneup/carb synching/fuel system cleaner. I will however be keeping a close eye on the level to be sure its OK. Note for those concerned I did empty out the previous oil before the test ride. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 09:41:58 2003 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:40:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Semper Fi, Ducati Style.... To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sean Jordan wrote: > > http://www.carolinabreeze.com/img/photo/vir-apr-semper.jpg > > Sean Jordan Ooh-rah! :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 09:56:19 2003 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:54:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Falling Water? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Any recommendations for roads and places to stay near FLW's Falling Water, near Farmington, PA? Going to head up there in a couple weeks. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 10:09:25 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Semper Fi, Ducati Style.... Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:09:00 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798cd12c2e36e0ef354fc1ebe1714a57f9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > > > > http://www.carolinabreeze.com/img/photo/vir-apr-semper.jpg > > [Dave] I'm just waiting for R. Lee Ermey to have this featured on Mail Call ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 10:21:15 2003 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald Subject: RE: ZR-7 Carb problems To: Jon Strang , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX I'll take a closer look at the petcock if the level increases again. Due to work and weather it will probably sit till Friday or Saturday, if its leaking it should have done something by then. I think I got it fixed on Sunday but only time will tell if it is truely fixed or not. At least now its running good enough for me to go back and get the inspection sticker they forgot when they did the other work. --- Jon Strang wrote: > David, > > I still would suspect the petcock. You can't fill > up the crankcase with > raw gasoline while the engine is running. The worst > you'll get is > super-rich blubbering. > > The petcock must be letting gasoline past while the > engine is off. > > --jon > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 12:02:05 2003 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:01:35 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Falling Water? Don't know if this will help you or not but, I've been rafting with these people before and their website has some area lodging. http://www.parafting.com/Frank_Lloyd_Wright_Falling_Water.htm Also, here's the official Falling Water website. http://www.wpconline.org/fallingwaterhome.htm My folks live about 40 minutes away but, I don't know the roads too well. However, any of the ones in the area should be good. :-) Scooter In a message dated 5/6/2003 8:54:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Any recommendations for roads and places to stay near FLW's Falling > Water, near Farmington, PA? Going to head up there in a > couple weeks. > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 12:58:30 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: MD speed trap (I-68) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:59:23 -0400 >From another list. MD's finest and a speed trap MO. You have been warned. ................... On Rt 68 [I-68, ed.] in Maryland, near the West Virginia border ... we discovered some of MD's finest as we came around a bend and got clocked at 87 in a 65. There were 3 officers there (two plain clothes acting as broken down motorists with the patrol car sandwiched between them) and they were all really really nice. I had a cold this weekend and didn't sleep as well as I wanted to, so I had loaded up on caffeine at each gas stop to make sure I'd make the trip without getting sleepy ... so, as I was handing my paperwork to the cop, my hands were shaking. Bam! Out comes the drug sniffing dog they had hidden in the back of the "broken down" Cherokee. The officer was still really nice, the golden retriever was cute, and the uniformed officer handed us both tickets for 74 in a 69 ... only a $60 ticket. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 13:09:45 2003 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: MD speed trap (I-68) To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list I have never seen a 69 speed limit... --- Paul Wilson wrote: > From another list. MD's finest and a speed trap MO. > You have been warned. > > ................... > On Rt 68 [I-68, ed.] in Maryland, near the West > Virginia border ... we > discovered some of MD's finest as we came around a > bend and got clocked at > 87 in a 65. There were 3 officers there (two plain > clothes acting as broken > down motorists with the patrol car sandwiched > between them) and they were > all really really nice. I had a cold this weekend > and didn't sleep as well > as I wanted to, so I had loaded up on caffeine at > each gas stop to make sure > I'd make the trip without getting sleepy ... so, as > I was handing my > paperwork to the cop, my hands were shaking. Bam! > Out comes the drug > sniffing dog they had hidden in the back of the > "broken down" Cherokee. The > officer was still really nice, the golden retriever > was cute, and the > uniformed officer handed us both tickets for 74 in a > 69 ... only a $60 > ticket. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 13:34:15 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: MD speed trap (I-68) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:33:50 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c86b35a048f0dbcf3798d40ad5e861e5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Kitchell Kommented: > I have never seen a 69 speed limit... [Dave] Wasn't that a Harley Davidson? ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 13:42:29 2003 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: [ma] NC: Speeding ticket lawyers Any suggestion on lawyers? I'll pass them on to my friend's friend. Thanks! -- Wayne ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:57:56 -0500 Subject: [ma] NC: Speeding ticket lawyers A friend got busted for speeding on I-66; he is alleged to have gone 88 in a 55. He definitely needs an attorney. I've seen Ray Morely mentioned here. Has anyone actually used him themselves? What results? Any other attorneys that you guys recommend? Yusuf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 14:19:03 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: "New" hwy in VA, US 48 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:46:41 -0400 For those interested in hwy. numerology and "collecting" highways (you know who you are!) Virginia has a "new" US highway, as of last month, and as witnessed by yours truly over the weekend. VA 55 is now signed as US 48 between Strasburg and the WV line. Apparently the entire "Corridor H" hwy. in WV (Wardensville to Elkins) will receive the US 48 number when it is completed. For those who are into these things, what's now I-68 across western Md. carried the US 48 number while it was under construction. It is a bit of an oddity to have 48 *south* of 50. The even-numbered east-west US highways are supposed to be numbered sequentially, increasing as you go south. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 18:11:59 2003 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:10:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mark Kitchell CC: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: MD speed trap (I-68) Mark Kitchell wrote: > I have never seen a 69 speed limit... > I should introduce you to a few of my former girlfriends.. >8-]~ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 18:22:06 2003 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:21:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: MD speed trap (I-68) To: dc-cycles list --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I have never seen a 69 speed limit... > > I should introduce you to a few of my former > girlfriends.. >8-]~ Geez, Bill, isn't Kitchell getting married soon? (As if anyone could track the recent spate of dc-cycles nuptials. SAMS: Sudden Acute Matrimonial Syndrome.) Don't go rubbing it in just because all life's pleasures as he knows them are coming to a screeching halt.... -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 18:41:27 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: Semper Fi, Ducati Style.... Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:41:22 -0400 > http://www.carolinabreeze.com/img/photo/vir-apr-semper.jpg But Ossifer, I didn't see the motorcycle... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 18:44:54 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: Falling Water? Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:44:49 -0400 > Any recommendations for roads and places to stay near FLW's Falling > Water, near Farmington, PA? Going to head up there in a couple weeks. Take the old US-40 out of Cumberland, MD - better than the slab. There ain't shit in Ohiopyle unless you have your own tent (there's a state park). Cumberland is about the closest point to civilization as we know it. I didn't even see a B&B the last few times I was up there. This is fairly serious boonies Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 6 20:57:36 2003 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:57:14 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Falling Water? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 06:44 PM 5/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > Any recommendations for roads and places to stay near FLW's Falling > > Water, near Farmington, PA? Going to head up there in a couple weeks. > >Take the old US-40 out of Cumberland, MD - better than the slab. Thanks. Kinda thinking 50 out of Arlington to Beltway to 267 to 15 or some such, up to something to 40, etc. >There ain't shit in Ohiopyle unless you have your own tent (there's a state >park). Cumberland is about the closest point to civilization as we know it. >I didn't even see a B&B the last few times I was up there. There's a couple BnB's, actually, according to my wife's research. Hard part will be finding one that doesn't have 8 billion weddings that weekend. Note to people thinking about getting married - don't pick a weekend when you'll have to fight with every other couple on the east coast for hotel's, BnB's, restaurant reservations, etc. >This is fairly serious boonies hehehe... my plan is working. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 7 08:14:23 2003 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 08:14:17 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: MD speed trap (I-68) Larry Larson wrote: > Don't go rubbing it in just because all life's pleasures as > he knows them are coming to a screeching halt.... You know why women smile so broadly on their wedding day? They know they've given their last blowjob. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 7 09:38:04 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:37:53 EDT Subject: Re: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/4/2003 10:56:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dfruehwald@XXXXXX writes: > impact > driver, impact socket, dead blow mallet, If you mean the plastic thingy filled with shot it will not work worth a damn on a hand held impact, you need a sharp impact to get the most turning force. Just use an old fashioned steel hammer. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 7 09:50:33 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:50:19 EDT Subject: Re: tow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/5/2003 11:35:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Most M/C shops have acces to those. Access? ACCESS?????? Any bike shop that does not have means of picking up broken bikes is no motorcycle shop at all. Not even close. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 7 10:07:24 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:07:14 EDT Subject: Re: And in the news today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/6/2003 6:57:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Florida fences on grazing land have been cut in > recent years by people trying to reach psychedelic mushrooms that grow > around > cow manure. Baloney! For crissakes it is easy to just climb over a fence, BTDT, push down on top, throw leg over. No one is going to go to the trouble of cutting down a fence just to get to a cow pie. This is just the usual "blame it all on drugs" bullshit (no pun). I grew up in Fl, I learned to ride and rode many, many miles there. I have damn near hit a cow myself. I once herded a cow off the road to prevent someone from hitting it. Guy brought his bike in for crash repair, seems he hit a _black_ angus on a dark moonless night, "I missed the first four!" I have known folks who sought the "magic" mushroom. Fences fall, cows go for a walk, get hit, got nutten to do with drugs. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 7 10:33:07 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: And in the news today Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:31:59 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec795569bbbfaf53d790e9899f544a96f2c6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c PB pointed out: > > Florida fences on grazing land have been cut in > > recent years by people trying to reach psychedelic mushrooms that grow > > around > > cow manure. > > Baloney! > > For crissakes it is easy to just climb over a fence, BTDT, push down on top, > throw leg over. No one is going to go to the trouble of cutting down a fence > just to get to a cow pie. [Dave] I have a friend in loudon that used to raise cattle on his mini farm. They're stubborn, and if their mind is set on going somewhere, that's what they're going to do... Most fences are not an issue to the average bovine - FWIW, his bull - 'big dumb sluggo' was 1800 # DRESSED. They would plow through wooden plank fence, bowl over chain link, ignore the current from electrical fences (except the calves). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 7 11:49:26 2003 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:49:21 -0400 From: Jeff Conlin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: VFR800 Givi tubular sideracks, new SV >:) X-AvMilter-Key: 1052322863:2bb7ae4c508e2265a41a14f6c4dbcc07 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey I got a little excited two weeks ago when I thought I was going to fall back into the cult of the V4. But it was not to be (well, for now). So I've got a recently-ebayed set of '98-'01 VFR sideracks here, with all mounting hardware, in great shape. $75 takes 'em. Instead of selling the GPz and picking up the VFR as middle-ground, I decided (for now) to hang on to the Kawi, and pick up an SV-S for both sides of the spectrum. ('01, 30k(!), Racetechs, Givi screen, spoiled rotten but well-flogged... $2900!) Financially, it works out to about the same as just having the VFR, too. One-waying it out ot Cinncinati tomorrow, then taking a leisurely ramble back through KY, OH, and WV over the next few days with some SabMag folks and some rain. Whee... -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com '01 SV650S - "Cake" '95 GPz1100 - "Eat It" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 7 16:34:57 2003 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:34:17 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald Subject: Back in the shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I didn't get the fuel problem sorted out so its back in the shop for them to clean/rebuild the carbs and some other stuff (valve adjustments). Valve adjustments and carbs are a little deeper than I feel comfortable with right now. Thanks to all who helped to try and diagnose the problem. Suffering from withdrawl for another couple of weeks :-( __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 7 21:51:42 2003 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 21:49:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: archive issue I recently upgraded the server for dccycles.com to Apache 2.0. This seems to have broken mime for archive retrieval. You can still search - you just can't get to the documents. I'm working on it - but if anyone running Apache 2 has a hint, I'm welcome to hear it. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 8 09:43:30 2003 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:43:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Archives back online Archives are back on http://www.dccycles.com ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 8 10:03:23 2003 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:03:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Archives back online At 09:55 AM 5/8/2003, De Boeser, Thomas wrote: > What was you issue/fix for apache2? I'm looking at an upgrade. I think > I've got it sorted, but any info would be helpful. I'll post it to the list because it was short. The new mod_mime_magic interprets email archives as a binary stream and fails to send it as generic plain text. Since I don't have a lot of document types on the server (just basic html, images, videos) I commented out mod_mime_magic in httpd.conf. The solution was easy - finding the problem was not. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 8 19:16:33 2003 X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 Reply-To: shanesr74@XXXXXX From: "Shane Ross" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: gs 500 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:16:20 -0400

hey all,
i mentioned this before but now i am serious about selling my gs 500.  it is in good shape 1991 8200 mi
blue but in need of a good cleaning up etc. i am asking 1400, but am open to offers etc.  thanks and cross
your fingers for a little less rain, it was kinda stingy on my neck today!!!
shane
01svs
91gs 500
 
--- Shane  Ross
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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 9 23:18:43 2003 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Urgent charging/battery question To: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles Got a brand new battery Thursday. I thought it was charged properly. It worked great for 2 days. Tonight, after my longest ride in a while (30 mins around 4, 30 more about 10PM) it just died on Mass ave. Still some battery power but not enought to start. Pushed it off to a parking space and hoofed home. 1991 VFR. What do you think this is? COuld it be the regulator/rectifier which is a VFR problem area? Or a bad first charge? Or the alternator? Regardless, it sucks to have the bike die in the middle of the street. )-: ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 10 00:09:55 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Urgent charging/battery question Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:09:13 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a4e84460b2264d76e57096971c981532350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Got a brand new battery Thursday. I thought it was > charged properly. It worked great for 2 days. > > Tonight, after my longest ride in a while (30 mins > around 4, 30 more about 10PM) it just died on Mass > ave. > Still some battery power but not enought to > start. Pushed it off to a parking space and hoofed > home. > > 1991 VFR. What do you think this is? COuld it be the > regulator/rectifier which is a VFR problem area? Or a > bad first charge? Or the alternator? [Dave] When you say "thought it was charged properly", can you be more specific? Start with the cheapest... try to ressurrect the current battery by putting it on a charger overnight ( a slow charger, but more powerful than the battery tender ). If this works, and it doesn't die again the next couple of days, chances are this battery won't last as long as normal, but should be ok for the season. If that fails ( it won't start after charging ), you could've gotten a battery that was a POS... It does happen. Try a replacement. If you've only taken the bike out in "traffic situations", no open road driving, you may have just killed it. Bikes have wimpy alternators ( for the most part ), and low rpm, lugging, sitting in traffic will kill the battery. It could also be that regulator thingie... You'll need VFR specific help for that. I've slain my share of batteries over the years, but ZX11's tend to cook the batteries, not undercharge them... With diligent water monitoring & a battery tender though, I've had very good luck. HTH Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 10 07:07:55 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:07:38 EDT Subject: Re: Urgent charging/battery question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/9/2003 11:19:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > COuld it be the > regulator/rectifier Damn Skippy! Or yes. Word of general advice, _never_ replace your battery without checking your charging system _first_! The number of perfectly good batteries replaced because of charging problems boggles the mind. (And costs bikers one hell of a lot of money.) BTW All you need to check is a simple _cheap_ voltage meter, if you do not have one you should get one. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 10 08:00:59 2003 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:00:34 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Urgent charging/battery question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:18 PM 5/9/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Got a brand new battery Thursday. I thought it was >charged properly. It worked great for 2 days. > >Tonight, after my longest ride in a while (30 mins >around 4, 30 more about 10PM) it just died on Mass >ave. Still some battery power but not enought to >start. Pushed it off to a parking space and hoofed >home. > >1991 VFR. What do you think this is? COuld it be the >regulator/rectifier which is a VFR problem area? Or a >bad first charge? Or the alternator? Either of those are possible. I have a service manual for my 92 (which should cover your 91), with specs, if you want. You can check the diodes in the RR and the coils in the alternator with a VOM. The service manual has instructions on how to do this. I note that there are a couple of the manuals on eBay at the moment. Another thing with the VFR's - they have a lot of connectors between the battery and where the power needs to go. My might want to trace cables and clean/polish any metal you can find. There's a relay right there near the battery which, on mine anyhow, had some corrosion -- it looked like moisture had gotten under the tank or seat and gotten into it. >Regardless, it sucks to have the bike die in the >middle of the street. )-: yes. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 10 08:30:32 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Urgent charging/battery question Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:30:22 -0400 > Got a brand new battery Thursday. I thought it was > charged properly. It worked great for 2 days. > > Tonight, after my longest ride in a while (30 mins > around 4, 30 more about 10PM) it just died on Mass > ave. > > 1991 VFR. What do you think this is? Don't rule out Occam's Razor (the most obvious solution is often the answer) - it could be a bad battery. They do die right out of the box on occasion. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 10 10:02:28 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:02:16 EDT Subject: Re: Urgent charging/battery question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/10/2003 8:30:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > Don't rule out Occam's Razor VERY good point. But to work in the mechanical/electrical sense you have to add _simple_to_check_and_cheap_ While a bad battery may be the simplest answer (and the one most riders jump on) it is not in fact the easiest to check or the cheapest. A $15+- volt meter is both easy and cheap. And experience _lots_ of experience says check the charging system first. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 10 11:02:20 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , Cc: "Mark Kitchell" Subject: Re: Urgent charging/battery question Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:02:41 -0400 Another thing to consider, a fresh battery might act as a band-aid, for a time, if the charging system is dodgy. Electrex USA has a good charging system diagnostic flow chart (even though their aftermarket rectifier/regulators have a sketchy reputation, in VFRs at least). http://www.electrexusa.com/electrex_fault_finding.html Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Urgent charging/battery question > In a message dated 5/10/2003 8:30:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > > > Don't rule out Occam's Razor > > VERY good point. But to work in the mechanical/electrical sense you have to > add _simple_to_check_and_cheap_ While a bad battery may be the simplest > answer (and the one most riders jump on) it is not in fact the easiest to > check or the cheapest. A $15+- volt meter is both easy and cheap. And > experience _lots_ of experience says check the charging system first. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 10 23:24:17 2003 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/10/03 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: A whole buncha good, helpful stuff about VFRs, batteries and charging systems... Not sure if I have much to add to MK's VFR problem, but I think Paul's suggestion was spot-on. But you do need the multimeter to use the Electrex diagnostic chart. I did waste a battery before I found that my '95 VFR's R/R was indeed the problem. Not sure if your 91 had an R/R problem though Mark. And Jordan "p)Bère's" citing of Occam's razor remains sound advice indeed. JK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 10 23:58:27 2003 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 23:58:26 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Laura Granato CC: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brian and Laura Saturday wedding? Laura Granato wrote: > Thanks to everyone for their well wishes! We are very excited! Keep your > fingers crossed for good weather on Saturday. I'll make sure to put up > pictures once we get back. And, maybe after the wedding, Brian can get our > street bikes all ready and we can get out and ride with everyone again. > > LAG (soon to be LAR) So, after sending Brian and Laura my wishes directly, they let me know that their wedding was taking place at Tarara winery. My best friend's sister's husband (Ian Lade) is Tarara's "preferred DJ" for weddings and events, and he does a lot of gigs out there. So I Told Brian to give him a message. I saw Ian today. he walked up to me and said, "you really fucked with my head." I had, of course, completely forgotten about the message Brian was supposed to deliver, and didn't know if Brian actually *would* deliver the message, so I was a bit confused. He then relates the story of the evening where he's standing there after the wedding, and the bride and groom come over, and he congratulates them, gives the bride a hug, and the groom says, out of nowhere, "Skip says you're a bloody wanker". this guy is *never* at a loss for words, and he said he was completely flummoxed for a good 30 seconds. Well done Brian! Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 00:37:43 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:37:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: My new SVS... X-AvMilter-Key: 1052714557:6a7c72e969b7faace69fce295d3ecc60 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey WV16 chewed me up and spit me out... literally. http://jeffconlin.com/eyes/0305%20-%20sme79/index.htm Thanks to SabMag, the bike had a new front wheel (with DOT race tire) in record time, and I've got a lawyer (at the urging of both the local sheriff and fire dept.) All told, though, it was a great weekend (US50/VA7 home today in the breeze), and I can't say enough about how great that little bike is. -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com '01 SV650S - "Over Easy" '95 GPz1100 - "Cruise Missile" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 01:13:49 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:11:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: My new SVS... Ahh...I recognize that tire well. The venerable yet highly sticky Bridgestone BT56SS. I raced those on my FZR400 for two years. Very grippy. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 07:27:06 2003 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Dave Yates'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Holy Cow Batt Man! Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:23:50 -0400 Charge your batt. Put your multi-meter on the terms -- it should read 12 VDC + or - a volt or two.... Start your bike. Put your multi-meter on the terms it should read 12 VDC + maybe 12.5 maybe 13. The indication at that point is that your batt is receiving a charge. If your batt is not receiving a charge then you have other issues which will need further trouble-shooting. gb > Got a brand new battery Thursday. I thought it was > charged properly. It worked great for 2 days. > > Tonight, after my longest ride in a while (30 mins > around 4, 30 more about 10PM) it just died on Mass > ave. > Still some battery power but not enought to > start. Pushed it off to a parking space and hoofed > home. > > 1991 VFR. What do you think this is? COuld it be the > regulator/rectifier which is a VFR problem area? Or a > bad first charge? Or the alternator? [Dave] When you say "thought it was charged properly", can you be more specific? Start with the cheapest... try to ressurrect the current battery by putting it on a charger overnight ( a slow charger, but more powerful than the battery tender ). If this works, and it doesn't die again the next couple of days, chances are this battery won't last as long as normal, but should be ok for the season. If that fails ( it won't start after charging ), From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 08:15:08 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:13:56 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'Dave Yates'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Holy Cow Batt Man! Methinks your numbers are off. A fully charged battery will read close to 13 volts. With the engine running you should see a hair over 14 volts. Just for giggles I checked mine this AM - 12.6 volts sitting, 14.5 volts engine running at idle. Bill "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > Charge your batt. Put your multi-meter on the terms -- it should read 12 > VDC + or - a volt or two.... > > Start your bike. Put your multi-meter on the terms it should read 12 VDC + > maybe 12.5 maybe 13. The indication at that point is that your batt is > receiving a charge. If your batt is not receiving a charge then you have > other issues which will need further trouble-shooting. > > gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 08:47:05 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 05:46:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Lurking Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hello All, Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a couple weeks ago (I'd been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the Nighthawk 250 that I rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted to throw my hat into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs well for $1,500 or less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season and then perhaps upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My main concerns are that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that it runs well. I'd like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the bike. I'm located in Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me know if there are any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC motorcyclists! -Kipp Elsbernd. lurking444@XXXXXX ===== "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland." -Adolf Hitler __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 09:04:09 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 06:04:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: My new SVS... To: Jeff Conlin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Glad to see that your spill was not too bad and you are ok. If you are interested in a Givi hard bag for your SV, let me know. It is better than bungee cording your stuff to the back. My wife did not like hers, so we took it off. Todd W. --- Jeff Conlin wrote: > WV16 chewed me up and spit me out... literally. > > http://jeffconlin.com/eyes/0305%20-%20sme79/index.htm > > Thanks to SabMag, the bike had a new front wheel > (with DOT race tire) in > record time, and I've got a lawyer (at the urging of > both the local > sheriff and fire dept.) > > All told, though, it was a great weekend (US50/VA7 > home today in the > breeze), and I can't say enough about how great that > little bike is. > -- > Jeff Conlin > Beltsville, MD > http://jeffconlin.com > '01 SV650S - "Over Easy" > '95 GPz1100 - "Cruise Missile" > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 09:07:04 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Lurking" , Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:04:38 -0400 If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I am 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lurking" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Hello All, > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a couple weeks ago (I'd > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the Nighthawk 250 that I > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted to throw my hat > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs well for $1,500 or > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season and then perhaps > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My main concerns are > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that it runs well. I'd > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the bike. I'm located in > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me know if there are > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC motorcyclists! > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > lurking444@XXXXXX > > ===== > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 09:16:45 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:15:43 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "S. Russell" CC: Lurking , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course "S. Russell" wrote: > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I am > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. Horsepucky. A 500 has more than enough power to shove a bike and a 220 pound rider down the road at scary speeds. The cc size isn't a deal breaker, tis the frame size. A 600 Kawi Eliminator is way to dinky for my 6', 180 frame, but several bikes in that cc range fit fine. It's a sit on it and check the comfort deal. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 09:17:43 2003 From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:24:36 -0400 S. Russell wrote: >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I am >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. snip.... No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You should be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year or so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, I know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for your size and ride. Note: This is my opinion and advice. Danny '78 FJ40 '02 FZ1 '02 XR250R CSBA #150 TLCA #13436 -----Original Message----- From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I am 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lurking" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Hello All, > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a couple weeks ago (I'd > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the Nighthawk 250 that I > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted to throw my hat > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs well for $1,500 or > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season and then perhaps > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My main concerns are > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that it runs well. I'd > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the bike. I'm located in > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me know if there are > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC motorcyclists! > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > lurking444@XXXXXX > > ===== > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 09:19:51 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Subject: Re: Holy Cow Batt Man! Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:18:13 -0400 Yep, a fully-charged lead-acid battery should read somewhere north of 12.5 V. On the VFR I have a voltmeter installed as an early warning system for electrical system meltdown. It reads about 12.8V at idle and around 14.4V when the RPMs are up. Other bikes do seem to put out lowing charging voltages though, so YMMV. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > Methinks your numbers are off. A fully charged battery will read close to 13 > volts. With the engine running you should see a hair over 14 volts. Just for > giggles I checked mine this AM - 12.6 volts sitting, 14.5 volts engine running > at idle. > > Bill > > "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > > > Charge your batt. Put your multi-meter on the terms -- it should read 12 > > VDC + or - a volt or two.... > > > > Start your bike. Put your multi-meter on the terms it should read 12 VDC + > > maybe 12.5 maybe 13. The indication at that point is that your batt is > > receiving a charge. If your batt is not receiving a charge then you have > > other issues which will need further trouble-shooting. > > > > gb > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 09:38:11 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Dan Thompson" , "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:37:12 -0400 After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. That was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have said was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. Sorry Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > S. Russell wrote: > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > am > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > snip.... > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You should > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year or > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, I > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for your > size and ride. > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > Danny > '78 FJ40 > '02 FZ1 > '02 XR250R > CSBA #150 > TLCA #13436 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I am > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lurking" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > Hello All, > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a couple > weeks ago (I'd > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > Nighthawk 250 that I > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted to > throw my hat > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs > well for $1,500 or > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season and > then perhaps > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My main > concerns are > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that > it runs well. I'd > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the > bike. I'm located in > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me > know if there are > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC motorcyclists! > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > ===== > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 09:45:32 2003 From: "Dan Thompson" To: "S. Russell" Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:52:25 -0400 Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter of personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two smoke" 125's. :) Danny '78 FJ40 '02 FZ1 '02 XR250R CSBA #150 TLCA #13436 -----Original Message----- From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:37 AM To: Dan Thompson; Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. That was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have said was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. Sorry Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > S. Russell wrote: > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > am > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > snip.... > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You should > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year or > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, I > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for your > size and ride. > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > Danny > '78 FJ40 > '02 FZ1 > '02 XR250R > CSBA #150 > TLCA #13436 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I am > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lurking" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > Hello All, > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a couple > weeks ago (I'd > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > Nighthawk 250 that I > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted to > throw my hat > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs > well for $1,500 or > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season and > then perhaps > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My main > concerns are > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that > it runs well. I'd > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the > bike. I'm located in > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me > know if there are > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC motorcyclists! > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > ===== > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 09:51:18 2003 From: To: "Dan Thompson" , "S. Russell" CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 9:51:10 -0400 for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a beginner, just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes half that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group rides. cheers, -aki > > From: "Dan Thompson" > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > To: "S. Russell" > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter of > personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two smoke" > 125's. :) > > Danny > '78 FJ40 > '02 FZ1 > '02 XR250R > CSBA #150 > TLCA #13436 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:37 AM > To: Dan Thompson; Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. That > was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have said > was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. > > Sorry > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Thompson" > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > S. Russell wrote: > > > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > > am > > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > snip.... > > > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You should > > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year or > > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, I > > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for your > > size and ride. > > > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > > > Danny > > '78 FJ40 > > '02 FZ1 > > '02 XR250R > > CSBA #150 > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > am > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then > > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new > > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > > > Scott > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lurking" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a > couple > > weeks ago (I'd > > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > > Nighthawk 250 that I > > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted > to > > throw my hat > > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs > > well for $1,500 or > > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season > and > > then perhaps > > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My > main > > concerns are > > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that > > it runs well. I'd > > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the > > bike. I'm located in > > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me > > know if there are > > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC > motorcyclists! > > > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > > > ===== > > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 10:12:48 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:08:05 -0400 It's the mentality. The Motor Company has done too good a job of pushing themselves without a good lower end bike to fall back to. Yamaha V-Stars for example. The 650 Custom is just the right bike for my wife who's a beginner. They have the Sportster which is a top-heavy 883 or 1200cc bike that some Harley folks call "half-a-harley". So fighting the stigma of either a "jap bike" or a "half-a-harley", they overextend themselves and get a full sized hawg. They need to take that 883 motor and put it into a Softail type frame. Carl On Monday 12 May 2003 09:51, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a beginner, > just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes half > that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group > rides. > > cheers, > -aki > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > To: "S. Russell" > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter > > of personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two > > smoke" 125's. :) > > > > Danny > > '78 FJ40 > > '02 FZ1 > > '02 XR250R > > CSBA #150 > > TLCA #13436 > > -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 10:12:51 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , "Dan Thompson" Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:11:53 -0400 Speaking of HOG groups, was there a HOG convention downtown this weekend. I saw the VA state troopers and all harleys there around the convention center this weekend. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dan Thompson" ; "S. Russell" Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a beginner, just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes half that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group rides. > > cheers, > -aki > > > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > To: "S. Russell" > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter of > > personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two smoke" > > 125's. :) > > > > Danny > > '78 FJ40 > > '02 FZ1 > > '02 XR250R > > CSBA #150 > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:37 AM > > To: Dan Thompson; Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. That > > was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have said > > was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. > > > > Sorry > > > > Scott > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > S. Russell wrote: > > > > > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > > > am > > > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > snip.... > > > > > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > > > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You should > > > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > > > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year or > > > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, I > > > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for your > > > size and ride. > > > > > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > > > > > Danny > > > '78 FJ40 > > > '02 FZ1 > > > '02 XR250R > > > CSBA #150 > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > > > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > > am > > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > > > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then > > > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new > > > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lurking" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > > > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a > > couple > > > weeks ago (I'd > > > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > > > Nighthawk 250 that I > > > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted > > to > > > throw my hat > > > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs > > > well for $1,500 or > > > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season > > and > > > then perhaps > > > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My > > main > > > concerns are > > > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that > > > it runs well. I'd > > > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the > > > bike. I'm located in > > > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me > > > know if there are > > > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC > > motorcyclists! > > > > > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > > > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > > > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 10:15:10 2003 From: To: "S. Russell" , "Dan Thompson" CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:15:03 -0400 I believe last weekend was the annual LAW ride. Wait until the Memorial Day weekend for REAL fun. Our local chapter, Fairfax HOG, is sponsoring the Va. State HOG Rally which will be held in the Chantilly Expo Center this year. -aki > > From: "S. Russell" > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 10:11:53 EDT > To: , > "Dan Thompson" > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > Speaking of HOG groups, was there a HOG convention downtown this weekend. I > saw the VA state troopers and all harleys there around the convention center > this weekend. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Dan Thompson" ; "S. Russell" > > Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a > beginner, just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes > half that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group > rides. > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > > To: "S. Russell" > > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter > of > > > personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two > smoke" > > > 125's. :) > > > > > > Danny > > > '78 FJ40 > > > '02 FZ1 > > > '02 XR250R > > > CSBA #150 > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:37 AM > > > To: Dan Thompson; Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. > That > > > was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have > said > > > was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. > > > > > > Sorry > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > S. Russell wrote: > > > > > > > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a > 600. I > > > > am > > > > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > snip.... > > > > > > > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > > > > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You > should > > > > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > > > > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year > or > > > > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, > I > > > > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for > your > > > > size and ride. > > > > > > > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > '78 FJ40 > > > > '02 FZ1 > > > > '02 XR250R > > > > CSBA #150 > > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > > > > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. > I > > > am > > > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > > > > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > > > > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it > then > > > > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a > new > > > > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lurking" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > > > > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a > > > couple > > > > weeks ago (I'd > > > > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > > > > Nighthawk 250 that I > > > > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and > wanted > > > to > > > > throw my hat > > > > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that > runs > > > > well for $1,500 or > > > > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall > season > > > and > > > > then perhaps > > > > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. > My > > > main > > > > concerns are > > > > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and > that > > > > it runs well. I'd > > > > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on > the > > > > bike. I'm located in > > > > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let > me > > > > know if there are > > > > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC > > > motorcyclists! > > > > > > > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > > > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this > great > > > > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and > protect > > > > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 10:56:10 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:48:39 -0400 People get too hung-up on engine displacement as the measuring stick. There are other things to think about: seat height, ergos (bar reach, footpeg placement, etc.), type of riding you intend to do, overall machine weight, throttle response, not to mention what the displacement actually puts on the ground in terms of torque and hp. I started out on a fairly gentle beast, a CB750 Nighthawk, but now that I have the VF500F, I wish I had started a bit "smaller" and sportier. The 500 produces as much torque and HP as the Nighthawk, but it's about 100 pounds lighter. As a newbie, I think I would have appreciated that. And it corners like a dream compared with the porky Nighthawk and its "tractor" like steering. It probably would have helped my cornering and low speed skill development too. It's a bit sad that the Japanese OEMs (save Kawasaki) have virtually abandoned the sub-600 cc class sportbike market in the USA. I was having this discussion with a biker pen pal from New Zealand. Apparently Honda imports all sorts of small sporty bikes into NZ (all of 4 million people live there), including the VTR250, which hasn't been sold in the USA in more than a decade. I don't know if NZ's licensing laws encourage this, but that may be part of it. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dan Thompson" ; "S. Russell" Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a beginner, just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes half that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group rides. > > cheers, > -aki > > > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > To: "S. Russell" > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter of > > personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two smoke" > > 125's. :) > > > > Danny > > '78 FJ40 > > '02 FZ1 > > '02 XR250R > > CSBA #150 > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:37 AM > > To: Dan Thompson; Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. That > > was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have said > > was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. > > > > Sorry > > > > Scott > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > S. Russell wrote: > > > > > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > > > am > > > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > snip.... > > > > > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > > > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You should > > > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > > > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year or > > > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, I > > > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for your > > > size and ride. > > > > > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > > > > > Danny > > > '78 FJ40 > > > '02 FZ1 > > > '02 XR250R > > > CSBA #150 > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > > > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > > am > > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > > > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then > > > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new > > > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lurking" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > > > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a > > couple > > > weeks ago (I'd > > > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > > > Nighthawk 250 that I > > > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted > > to > > > throw my hat > > > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs > > > well for $1,500 or > > > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season > > and > > > then perhaps > > > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My > > main > > > concerns are > > > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that > > > it runs well. I'd > > > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the > > > bike. I'm located in > > > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me > > > know if there are > > > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC > > motorcyclists! > > > > > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > > > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > > > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 10:59:58 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: adamme1@XXXXXX, "S. Russell" , Dan Thompson Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > I believe last weekend was the annual LAW ride. > Wait > until the Memorial Day weekend for REAL fun. My experience has been that the Law Ride is always more fun than Rolling Thunder. You get the same experience of a giant rumbly collection of bikes but you don't have to stand in a parking lot for 6 hours to do it. You don't have to go home to use the bathroom because it is faster than waiting in line. Also, I can't think of too many folks that party harder than cops at National Police Week. Who's gonna arrest you? I had a really good time at my 4th Law Ride yesterday and while I know I will also have a good time at Rolling Thunder this year, I also know I will have to suffer more. Just my opinion! cheers, Patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 11:21:59 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:20:53 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Carl Schelin wrote: > They have the Sportster which is a top-heavy 883 or 1200cc bike that some > Harley folks call "half-a-harley". Huh? I thought it was called a "Harley-Lite" > They need to take that 883 motor and put it into a Softail type frame. That would be cool. Methinks the 883 has dern near the HP of an EVO anyway, and one can always yank the jugs and bump it up to 1200cc for under a grand when they feel the need for more punch. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 11:23:06 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:23:03 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: buy "Then Came Bronson" If anybody wants the Then Came Bronson pilot movie, I found a company selling it for $25 http://www.hondahog.com/drcatalog/product.asp?intProdID=130 It's a good copy, but not a perfect one. A little dark in places, and the volume varies quite a bit. Still, it's sure worth $25. Gotta love that bike - street bike, sand bike, and champion hillclimber - why don't they build bikes like that now! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 11:31:06 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:30:54 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I started out on a fairly gentle beast, a CB750 Nighthawk, but now > that I have the VF500F, I wish I had started a bit "smaller" and > sportier. Not to be Paul's echo or anything but I likewise started on a 90's series Nighthawk 750. After owning a Suz GS500e there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the GS or it's equivalent should have been my first ride. A newbie rider's primary enemies are excessive power on-tap and vehicle weight. > than a decade. I don't know if NZ's licensing laws encourage this, > but that > may be part of it. Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's "Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing programs. Where the requirement to own a modest vehicle is a legal requirement, the suppliers will step in. IMO the AMA, MSF, every insurance company, and the state licensing bodies should be waging an all out effort to bring mandated graduated licensing to this country. The Europeans don't always get things right but this one, they have done correctly. ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 11:31:14 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:26:32 -0400 On Monday 12 May 2003 11:20, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > They have the Sportster which is a top-heavy 883 or 1200cc bike that some > > Harley folks call "half-a-harley". > > Huh? I thought it was called a "Harley-Lite" > Back in '82 I was looking at buying my first Harley. The Sportster was in my price range but my friends ragged me about buying a "half-a-harley". Maybe the "harley-lite" came into being when the "lite" beers came out; mid 80's? Oh, and I didn't get the bike because the Army didn't want a 5 lb overweight illustrator. > > They need to take that 883 motor and put it into a Softail type frame. > > That would be cool. Methinks the 883 has dern near the HP of an EVO > anyway, and one can always yank the jugs and bump it up to 1200cc for under > a grand when they feel the need for more punch. > Maybe that's why they don't. It would infringe on the full sized Softails. $8,500 for a Softail Junior compaired to $13k for the full sized one and $22k for the Senior class tourer :-) > Bill Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 11:41:18 2003 From: To: patti rodgers , "S. Russell" , Dan Thompson CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:41:12 -0400 > > From: patti rodgers > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 10:59:55 EDT > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, "S. Russell" , > Dan Thompson > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > I believe last weekend was the annual LAW ride. > > Wait > > until the Memorial Day weekend for REAL fun. > > My experience has been that the Law Ride is always > more fun than Rolling Thunder. You get the same > experience of a giant rumbly collection of bikes but > you don't have to stand in a parking lot for 6 hours > to do it. You don't have to go home to use the > bathroom because it is faster than waiting in line. > Also, I can't think of too many folks that party > harder than cops at National Police Week. Who's gonna > arrest you? > > I had a really good time at my 4th Law Ride yesterday > and while I know I will also have a good time at > Rolling Thunder this year, I also know I will have to > suffer more. > > Just my opinion! > > cheers, > > Patti > oh I agree 100% Patti...I was being sarcastic about RT. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 11:45:12 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've also found that one's wallet size or perceived status can lead a newbie to choose a ride entirely inappropriate to their experience and skill level. I taught a very senior corporate officer at a large institution at my recent MSF class. Despite the instructors' remonstrance to the students to consider cheap and otherwise suitable mounts to begin with, he decided to buy a 2004 BMW with all of the trimmings. Clearly he can afford to do so, and I wish him nothing but success. But his marginal skills during the class make we considerably nervous as to what his future will hold. ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 11:45:46 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:45:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course At 11:30 AM 5/12/2003, you wrote: >Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's >"Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous >vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing >programs. And here I thought you were a libertarian. You want more government intervention in our motorcycle lives? Promote PR campaigns that push for the MSF courses, smaller bikes to start and a healthy dose of easy-does-it. We don't need a law for everything. I don't think new riders should be on GSXR-1000s, but I don't see anything wrong with them hopping on a Honda F4. We've had this discussion many times before and digression is imminent. If anything size, weight and handling are more important considerations than horsepower. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 11:48:36 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:43:53 -0400 On Monday 12 May 2003 11:30, matthew patton wrote: > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > I started out on a fairly gentle beast, a CB750 Nighthawk, but now > > that I have the VF500F, I wish I had started a bit "smaller" and > > sportier. > > Not to be Paul's echo or anything but I likewise started on a 90's > series Nighthawk 750. After owning a Suz GS500e there is absolutely no > doubt in my mind that the GS or it's equivalent should have been my > first ride. A newbie rider's primary enemies are excessive power on-tap > and vehicle weight. > I started off on some bike I don't remember that my Uncle let me use/gave me. The first one I bought was a Yamaha 250. I moved up to a 360 and then a 650 and finally the Harley. A couple of times I looked at sport bikes and almost bought one once but bailed out. Riding so long holding my head up seemed like it'd be very tiring. I understand though that the wind helps keep your head up so it's not as tiring as it would appear. Had I known that then, or had sportbike friends, I might have travelled a different route. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 11:55:48 2003 From: To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:55:41 -0400 > > From: Carl Schelin > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 11:43:53 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > On Monday 12 May 2003 11:30, matthew patton wrote: > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > I started out on a fairly gentle beast, a CB750 Nighthawk, but now > > > that I have the VF500F, I wish I had started a bit "smaller" and > > > sportier. > > > > Not to be Paul's echo or anything but I likewise started on a 90's > > series Nighthawk 750. After owning a Suz GS500e there is absolutely no > > doubt in my mind that the GS or it's equivalent should have been my > > first ride. A newbie rider's primary enemies are excessive power on-tap > > and vehicle weight. > > > > I started off on some bike I don't remember that my Uncle let me use/gave me. > The first one I bought was a Yamaha 250. I moved up to a 360 and then a 650 > and finally the Harley. > > A couple of times I looked at sport bikes and almost bought one once but > bailed out. Riding so long holding my head up seemed like it'd be very > tiring. I understand though that the wind helps keep your head up so it's not > as tiring as it would appear. Had I known that then, or had sportbike > friends, I might have travelled a different route. > > Carl > -- ..my first bike was a Honda SL90, but then again, I started when I was 10. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 11:56:29 2003 Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:56:20 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Out of ignorance, most new riders approach a bike purchase the way they approach a car purchase. Bigger IS better. The quality of the bike is defined by it's performance stats, # of CCs, and overall looks. Most people don't know what MSF is. I distinctly remember myself and my buddy thinking about what bikes we should get during one slow summer. He wanted to get the biggest harley he could affort, and I wanted to get a 600ss. I passed on litre bikes because they were more expensive :) Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:06:15 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:06:02 -0400 From: "Troutman" > At 11:30 AM 5/12/2003, you wrote: > >Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's > >"Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous > >vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing > >programs. > > And here I thought you were a libertarian. You want more government > intervention in our motorcycle lives? Promote PR campaigns that push for > the MSF courses, smaller bikes to start and a healthy dose of > easy-does-it. We don't need a law for everything. > > I don't think new riders should be on GSXR-1000s, but I don't see anything > wrong with them hopping on a Honda F4. We've had this discussion many > times before and digression is imminent. If anything size, weight and > handling are more important considerations than horsepower. Well here, for the most part, the State of Washington is an exception, pass a rudimentary test on a small bike and you can hop on and ride pretty much any two-wheeled gene pool remover you can afford to buy and ensure. And that's for riders who bother with observing legal niceties like endorsements. For a time I had to put on my best poker face whenever a MSF student admitted during the introductions that he has "ridden for years" but is taking the class to "get his endorsement." But, actually, no poker face is needed anymore, since it's so common. It's not something legislators and law enforcement takes very seriously either. I think in DC, riding w/o endorsement carries no points and a small fine. Ditto with the helmet law. No points. I guess we in the US of A (and Canada) prefer to substitute common sense for state coercion when it comes to licensing and displacement classes, but as we all know common sense is sometimes not very common. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:07:29 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Sears. Just finished applying for a job as a Tool ConslutantTM at my local Sears Tool TerritoryTM. Whee. Does anyone know the base pay for a Tul Dood? Is there an employee discount? (Visions of cheap shiny wrenches dancing in my head.) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:10:49 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:09:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Troutman wrote: > And here I thought you were a libertarian. You want more government > intervention in our motorcycle lives? Nonono, you must understand the ultra-conserv mindset. BAD government intervention (laws) are ones that personally affect the ultra-conserv. It's okay if the laws repress the rights of *others*. > Promote PR campaigns that push for > the MSF courses, smaller bikes to start and a healthy dose of > easy-does-it. We don't need a law for everything. Agreed. Education and PR works. Many laws fail to work because of poor enforcement, and if enforced a graduated M/C law would be a PITA. How many times a month would I be stopped on my *heavy* scoot and asked to prove I was qualified to ride it? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:15:32 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:15:28 -0400 From: Jeff Conlin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SV front wheels for sale/repair? X-AvMilter-Key: 1052756430:887c12ede7e23d0e9fca7e32258c1f98 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey Well, the guy who lent me his spare race wheel needs it back for WERA endurance at VIR in a week and a half. Are there any recommended local places that could repair my broken wheel in the next few days, or does anyone have any good SV front wheels they'd like to sell? Thanks- -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com '01 SV650S - "Over Easy" '95 GPz1100 - "Cruise Missile" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:24:55 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:23:57 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Troutman Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Paul Wilson wrote: > Well here, for the most part, the State of Washington is an > exception, pass a rudimentary test on a small bike and you can hop on and > ride pretty much any two-wheeled gene pool remover you can afford to buy and > ensure. And that's for riders who bother with observing legal niceties like > endorsements. For a time I had to put on my best poker face whenever a MSF > student admitted during the introductions that he has "ridden for years" but > is taking the class to "get his endorsement." But, actually, no poker face > is needed anymore, since it's so common. It's not something legislators and > law enforcement takes very seriously either. I think in DC, riding w/o > endorsement carries no points and a small fine. Ditto with the helmet law. > No points. > > I guess we in the US of A (and Canada) prefer to substitute common sense for > state coercion when it comes to licensing and displacement classes, but as > we all know common sense is sometimes not very common. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org Guilty as charged. Many moons ago a screwed up while renewing my permit and failed to carry over the M endorsement. No prob at the time, I was racing outboard boats and not riding a scoot. But the lure of two-wheels returned and I got a big ol' Harley scoot. Rode it home, no endorsement, rode it around a week or so to practice for the test, rode it to the DMV and failed the test - rode it home. Then I borrowed a Yamahar 750 V-twin and rode back to the DMV where I passed the test - just in time. Got home to recieve a shrieky phone call from my State Farm agent. He'd discovered I had no endorsement, a Maalox moment for him since he'd writtena policy on me'n my bike. I scooted down to his office to display my ink-wet permit But the question remains - is State Farm the only company that checks out their drivers/riders? Are the endorsementless scofflaws also riding bareback, as in no insurance? Are their tags even legal? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:26:47 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:26:45 -0500 Unfortunetly CC's isn't always the greatest judge of proformance/power. A Sportster 1200CC has about 68 HP, 71 torque and about 493 lbs dry. A Honda CBR 600CC F3 has about 80 HP, 41 torque and about 407 lbs dry. An Aprilla RS 250CC (two stroke) has about 60 HP, 30 torque and about 308 lbs dry. My honda hawk gt is 650CC and about 50 hp and 40 torque and it's plenty fast for me right now. I am a new rider too. I can beat most non exotic sports cars off the line (not that I try :), hey they started it!) As you can see CC doesn't always give a true judge of power. Do your research and you should be just fine. Regards, Rob On Mon, 12 May 2003 10:08:05 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote > It's the mentality. The Motor Company has done too good a job of > pushing themselves without a good lower end bike to fall back to. > Yamaha V-Stars for example. The 650 Custom is just the right bike > for my wife who's a beginner. > > They have the Sportster which is a top-heavy 883 or 1200cc bike that > some Harley folks call "half-a-harley". > > So fighting the stigma of either a "jap bike" or a "half-a-harley", > they overextend themselves and get a full sized hawg. > > They need to take that 883 motor and put it into a Softail type > frame. > > Carl > > On Monday 12 May 2003 09:51, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a beginner, > > just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes half > > that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group > > rides. > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > > To: "S. Russell" > > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter > > > of personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two > > > smoke" 125's. :) > > > > > > Danny > > > '78 FJ40 > > > '02 FZ1 > > > '02 XR250R > > > CSBA #150 > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk > if Windows Source Code is made public. > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl > Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:27:25 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sears. Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:27:23 -0400 Fish wrote: > (Visions of cheap shiny wrenches dancing in my head.) Carburetors everywhere are quivering in anticipation. --jon Sorry, Fish, I just couldn't resist. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:36:38 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:36:02 -0400 From: Tom de To: Superhawk , "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: How many poser points are these worth... http://www.cycletires.com/ SuperCool! Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:38:47 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:37:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sears. Fish Flowers wrote: > Just finished applying for a job as a Tool ConslutantTM at my local Sears > Tool TerritoryTM. Whee. > > Does anyone know the base pay for a Tul Dood? Is there an employee > discount? (Visions of cheap shiny wrenches dancing in my head.) > > Fish. Good luck. I did that last year in an attempt to scrounge up extra X-mas cash. Methinks I was viewed as grossly overqualified or some such. The dude kept grilling me on my past positions with titles like General Sales Manager and Chapter S corporate president, owner/manager of a large retail store. Reckon I failed to convey that going for the brass ring was history, I'm into semi-retired chill now, done with the rat race. I think you'd be looking at $10/hr plus. I would hope anyway. And yes, employee discounts, fairly routine in the retail bizz. I use to sell my employees stuff at cost, around 40% off. Sometimes I'd give them stuff if they promised to display the finished product for a spell. And there was always the freebies so we could educate ourselves on the workings of a new hobby inovation. True, my store wasn't wildly profitable, but we sure had fun! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:40:17 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:40:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: Jon Strang Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sears. On Mon, 12 May 2003, Jon Strang wrote: > Carburetors everywhere are quivering in anticipation. Hehehe. They had better be. I was in there over the weekend eyeing this freakin' massive 1.5" combination wrench, and idly fantasized about buying it and then using it to club my carbs to smithereens. But I'm sending my carbs to Matt Patton, in exchange for the (working) ones he's sending me, so I don't get that cathartic thrill. Alas. I'm thinking a nice big wrench would make a pretty good home security device. Grippy, heavy, long, and if it breaks over some goblin's head, you can just bring it in and get a new one. Neat! Fish. cheaper'n .357 sig rounds, that's for damn sure From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:44:34 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:44:36 -0500 I think the best way to determine overall power is weight to HP ratio. lets see a 600 CC CBR600F3 is 80 hp and 390 lb + 220 lb rider or 80/610 = 0.13 hp per lb a 1200 CC Sports is about 68 HP and 493 lbs + 220 lb rider or 68 / 713 = .09 HP per lb. A common compact car is about 140lbs and 2500 lbs. 140/2500 = .056 HP per lb. I realize the Harleys are more tuned for torque, honestly I don't see why becuase your not towing a trailer, any Harley riders care to chime in regarding the benifits of more torque than HP?? Rob On Mon, 12 May 2003 11:56:20 -0400, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote > Out of ignorance, most new riders approach a bike purchase the way > they approach a car purchase. Bigger IS better. The quality of the > bike is defined by it's performance stats, # of CCs, and overall > looks. Most people don't know what MSF is. > > I distinctly remember myself and my buddy thinking about what bikes > we should get during one slow summer. He wanted to get the biggest > harley he could affort, and I wanted to get a 600ss. I passed on > litre bikes because they were more expensive :) > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:47:30 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:47:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Almost no one (except maybe Paul and Matt) has addressed the original question, as to what are some good sub 600 bikes that can be had for around $1500.00, and would also be good for someone who is 6.3. Unfortunately, I can't give any advice on the height issue. You'll just have to sit on many bikes and see how you feel. That said, some bikes you might be able to find in your price range include: Suzuki GS500e (standard/sport) Kawasaki Ninja 500 (sport) Kawasaki Vulcan 500 (cruiser) Yamaha Virago 535 (cruiser) Honda VFR 500 Honda Magna 500 (made in 84-85) Becuase of the low number of < 600 displacement bikes in the US, you may also want to look at some bikes in the 600 range that are known for having tame engines. The Yamaha Seca II and Suzuki Bandit 600 both fit this description. Good luck on your hunt. We may run into each other some time as I live in Reston near Lake Anne, and ride a red Suzuki SV650. Let me know what you get, and I'll keep an I out for you. Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:49:40 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > At 11:30 AM 5/12/2003, you wrote: > >Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's > >"Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous > >vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing > >programs. > > And here I thought you were a libertarian. heh, yes I am. No, I would rather the gov't not have to play a role but driving IS a regulated activity (abismally regulated in the US purhaps) and if every other country's citizens can apparently deal with such a program, then clearly it can be accomplished. It's not like we're charting new ground. More than a dozen major western civilizations have effective programs and none of them include random road-side checks that I am aware of. > easy-does-it. We don't need a law for everything. But as Bill is quick to point out, the state of VA has seen fit to define acceptable behavior in one's bedroom. I'm still awaiting reports of state-sponsored installation of monitoring equipment during change of ownership as a means of enforcement... > times before and digression is imminent. If anything size, weight > and handling are more important considerations than horsepower. Then I would suggest that the DoT require manufacturers to implement a foolproof means of restricting the output of hyperbikes to say 55HP and to limit the derestriction of same to only authorized outlets. The UK is the most sport-bike crazy country in the entire world and yet their system manages to operate reasonably well. Those who are bent on dodging the law will of course, always find a way to do so. Businesses are already a regulated entity. If you make it illegal for them to sell a vehicle to any unauthorized person as well instruct the DMV's to refuse title, and the insurance companies to refuse cover you've got most of the bases covered. Heck, if someone got creative they might even write the regs such that the successful completion of an ERC would trim 6 months from the rider's restricted status. That would not only encourage the pursuit of training, it would even result in better trained riders. This country is the most rich and supposedly technologically advanced one in the world. Yet our information systems operate like some 3rd world backwater. ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:50:05 2003 From: "Charlie Ozark" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC rider road test Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:49:46 -0400 hello all. thanks to everyone on the board who gave me advice about dealing with the DC DMV earlier this year (march-ish). My bike has been insured, inspected, registered, titled etc without having to doubleback during the process. however i have one final obstacle, the DC rider road test - does anyone know what it consists of? I took and passed MSF in NoVA in April and have been practicing off and on but have no idea what types of tests to expect. In the course i was graded on: figure 8 in 20x40 box, emergency swerve and brake, 2nd gear curve and possibly something else I can't remember right now. i've experimented some with recreating the class tests but am hoping for more input. i want to get this right becuase the wait list for the road test is two months long -- and i can't wait to get out of the city. thanks for the advice (DC specific or otherwise) -Charlie 99 SV650 _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:52:58 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:51:15 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Sears. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Fish clued us in - >> Carburetors everywhere are quivering in anticipation. > >Hehehe. They had better be. I was in there over the weekend >eyeing this freakin' massive 1.5" combination wrench, and >idly fantasized about buying it and then using it to club my >carbs to smithereens. [Dave] Hmm... This has potential Fish... ... lifetime DC Cycles Craftsman tool discount.... >I'm thinking a nice big wrench would make a pretty good home >security device. Grippy, heavy, long, and if it breaks over >some goblin's head, you can just bring it in and get a new >one. Neat! > >Fish. >cheaper'n .357 sig rounds, that's for damn sure [Dave] Wow. That's a heckuva cheap wrench... Even the premium rounds are only about $0.20 / round... :-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:56:42 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:56:32 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX as to bikes - SecaII's (a couple locally available), GS450/500's, EX250/500's, various light/middleweight cruisers even Victory has a nice one, CB650's or your 80's vintage UJM or similar. I have a more complete but definately not exhuastive list that I hand out to each MSF student at the completion of the course. Basically with a pricepoint of roughly $2k and a max HP figure of 60HP it wheedles the selection down a bit. Then it becomes a matter of finding a bike with workable ergo's. I know of quite a few tall (and heavy) guys who ride GS500's. --- Troutman wrote: > At 11:30 AM 5/12/2003, you wrote: > >Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's > >"Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous > >vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing > >programs. > > And here I thought you were a libertarian. heh, yes I am. No, I would rather the gov't not have to play a role but driving IS a regulated activity (abismally regulated in the US purhaps) and if every other country's citizens can apparently deal with such a program, then clearly it can be accomplished. It's not like we're charting new ground. More than a dozen major western civilizations have effective programs and none of them include random road-side checks that I am aware of. So let's not invent boogy-men out of thin air. > easy-does-it. We don't need a law for everything. But as Bill is quick to point out, the state of VA has seen fit to define acceptable behavior in one's bedroom. I'm still awaiting reports of state-sponsored installation of monitoring equipment during change of ownership as a means of enforcement... > times before and digression is imminent. If anything size, weight > and handling are more important considerations than horsepower. Then I would suggest that the DoT require manufacturers to implement a foolproof means of restricting the output of hyperbikes to say 55HP and to limit the derestriction of same to only authorized outlets. The UK is the most sport-bike crazy country in the entire world and yet their system manages to operate reasonably well. Those who are bent on dodging the law will of course, always find a way to do so. Businesses are already a regulated entity. If you make it illegal for them to sell a vehicle to any unauthorized person as well instruct the DMV's to refuse title, and the insurance companies to refuse cover you've got most of the bases covered. Heck, if someone got creative they might even write the regs such that the successful completion of an ERC would trim 6 months from the rider's restricted status. That would not only encourage the pursuit of training, it would even result in better trained riders. This country is the most rich and supposedly technologically advanced one in the world. Yet our information systems operate like some 3rd world backwater. ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:58:30 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:58:28 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: How many poser points are these worth... Cool! I don't know about posers, but I've always wondered why colored tires never caught on. Black ones are colored black, why not try other colors - you want gangster whitewalls? How about all white! Fun. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Tom de Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:36:02 -0400 > > >http://www.cycletires.com/ > > >SuperCool! > >Tom de '98 VTR > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 12:59:53 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: Sears. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX you forgot to factor in the gun license (in MD no less) as well the cost of the shell invigorator (ie gun). Not to mention clubbing somebody over the head does not entail the same legal morass that shooting someone (in even the most clear-cut case of self-defense) entails. Plus, you gotta figure a few rounds to make sure at least one of them hit the perp especially if you didn't budget for regular target practice. ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 13:05:13 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:04:52 -0400 From: Tom de To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (was: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course) Now torque, torque, torque Rob Sharp wrote: >I realize the Harleys are more tuned for torque, honestly I don't see why >becuase your not towing a trailer, any Harley riders care to chime in >regarding the benifits of more torque than HP?? > I don't ride a Harley, but I ride a v-twin. You probably know HP is a combo of torque and RPM. To some racers (I forget names) it's torque to weight that matters most. Torque is the master of HP. Because of many properties of a v-twin the usable torque is availble sooner, so then is the power. A v-twin's power (torque) is also better distributed through out the RPM range. This allows the rider not to have to wind the motor to the peak of its RPM range and keep it there in order to use the power. During last weeks 600cc race, watching the R6s beat (spank) Honda's new "more HP" 600rr, I heard the commentator mention the R6's have a better mid-range and can use the torque better then the 600rr. I've heard reports that Yamaha's M1 GP bike HP was brought down in favor for torque, so that during slides the power would be usable during/after wheel spin. IMHO, torque is the street riders friend, good power when you need it, and you don't have to run WFO to get it. V-twins rule, Tom de '98 VTR - dreaming of the Aprilla Tuono > >Rob > >On Mon, 12 May 2003 11:56:20 -0400, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online >Services wrote > > >>Out of ignorance, most new riders approach a bike purchase the way >>they approach a car purchase. Bigger IS better. The quality of the >>bike is defined by it's performance stats, # of CCs, and overall >>looks. Most people don't know what MSF is. >> >>I distinctly remember myself and my buddy thinking about what bikes >>we should get during one slow summer. He wanted to get the biggest >>harley he could affort, and I wanted to get a 600ss. I passed on >>litre bikes because they were more expensive :) >> >>Witold >>www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 >> >> > > > >-- >Rob Sharp >CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 >Network Security Engineer > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 13:06:04 2003 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:05:55 -0400 Well,I'm not a Harley rider, but my impression is that torque is something you "feel" especially in the seat of the pants. Torque is more interesting when dealing with typical "street legal" kind of speeds. HP becomes more interesting when you want to go real fast. Unfortunately, unless you're on a racetrack, you're kind of limited to how fast you can (safely) go. However, how quickly you get from zero to whatever speed you can safely go, is what torque gets you. As an example, my Concours is a 16-valve, 1000cc inline four, with a redline in the low 5-digit range. You'd think it would be tuned for high-end HP. I test rode a Ducati ST2 with a 4-valve, 900cc v-twin expecting a real torque monster. I was wrong. My Concours would outpull that Duck until about 100 mph and then it was all over. Once the Duck got some RPM's the HP kicked in and it ran great. However, trying to find a gear to go with the road speed at anything less than about 6K RPM was a PITA. I can lug the Concours down to about 2K, or run it up to about 8K and have plenty of torque. Admittedly, this is all very unscientific, but it works for me. I kept the Concours and passed on the Duck. (I don't have that kind of panache, anyway...) ;^) Perry >From: "Rob Sharp" > >I realize the Harleys are more tuned for torque, honestly I don't see why >becuase your not towing a trailer, any Harley riders care to chime in >regarding the benifits of more torque than HP?? > >Rob > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 13:06:17 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:06:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Sears. On Mon, 12 May 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > Hmm... This has potential Fish... ... lifetime DC Cycles > Craftsman tool discount.... Yeah, I was thinking about that too... one reason why I'm curious about the discount. ("I violate the terms of my employee discount, and pass the savings on to you!") > Wow. That's a heckuva cheap wrench... Even the premium rounds are only > about $0.20 / round... :-) Well, yeah, but you have to _practice_, right? If you go through a couple of boxes a session and you're practicing once or twice a month, then you're quickly into the not-small-change-anymore territory. Practicing with a bigass wrench is cheap. Hold wrench. Hit carbs. Repeat. Broken wrench? Get a new one! Plus, even the polymer-frame SiGs and Springfields are really freaking expensive. Fish. but fun From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 13:07:32 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:07:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course At 12:56 PM 5/12/2003, matthew patton wrote: >as to bikes - SecaII's (a couple locally available), GS450/500's, >EX250/500's, various light/middleweight cruisers even Victory has a >nice one, CB650's or your 80's vintage UJM or similar. I have a more >complete but definately not exhuastive list that I hand out to each MSF >student at the completion of the course. Basically with a pricepoint of >roughly $2k and a max HP figure of 60HP it wheedles the selection down >a bit. Then it becomes a matter of finding a bike with workable ergo's. >I know of quite a few tall (and heavy) guys who ride GS500's. I am 6'1" and 210lbs. I rode L.Granato's GS500, and found it to be tiny and underpowered. This was before L.G. had it tuned and transformed of course. I would never recommend one for someone 6' or over. I do think it is a great all around bike though. My first real bike was the '91 CB750 I found advertised on this very list. I had two mostly dirt bikes growing up, riding one on the street for a short period - '79 Yamaha DT125 P.O.S. I still think the Nighthawk was a great learning bike - easy to steer, gentle power, sufficient power. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 13:29:15 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: DC rider road test To: Charlie Ozark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I took the DC road test in late 2001. Back then, the only place to take it was at a temporary DMV trailer on the same road as the postal facility that was closed due to anthrax (Brentwood?); the road test was stunningly brief: a figure 8 on a side street between the 2 curbs (widthwise) and 2 telephone poles (lengthwise); i don't remember the dimensions, but it was much bigger than the MSF box; i remember seeing the distance I had and being relieved that the figure 8 was going to be that easy; after I did that, I was waiting for the next drill, and he told me that I'd passed; there was nothing else; couldn't believe it; it could be that he watched my ride from the parking lot to the side street, and perhaps that constituted part of the test; I had to make a couple of turns, so I guess he could have made sure I used my turn signal and didn't run a stop sign; anyway, if it still the same thing, you will pass easily; jib --- Charlie Ozark wrote: > hello all. thanks to everyone on the board who gave > me advice about dealing > with the DC DMV earlier this year (march-ish). My > bike has been insured, > inspected, registered, titled etc without having to > doubleback during the > process. however i have one final obstacle, the DC > rider road test - does > anyone know what it consists of? I took and passed > MSF in NoVA in April and > have been practicing off and on but have no idea > what types of tests to > expect. In the course i was graded on: > > figure 8 in 20x40 box, emergency swerve and brake, > 2nd gear curve and > possibly something else I can't remember right now. > i've experimented some > with recreating the class tests but am hoping for > more input. > > i want to get this right becuase the wait list for > the road test is two > months long -- and i can't wait to get out of the > city. > > thanks for the advice (DC specific or otherwise) > > -Charlie > 99 SV650 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 13:31:56 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Charlie Ozark" , Subject: Re: DC rider road test Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:00 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Ozark" > hello all. thanks to everyone on the board who gave me advice about dealing > with the DC DMV earlier this year (march-ish). My bike has been insured, > inspected, registered, titled etc without having to doubleback during the > process. however i have one final obstacle, the DC rider road test - does > anyone know what it consists of? I took and passed MSF in NoVA in April and > have been practicing off and on but have no idea what types of tests to > expect. In the course i was graded on: > > figure 8 in 20x40 box, emergency swerve and brake, 2nd gear curve and > possibly something else I can't remember right now. i've experimented some > with recreating the class tests but am hoping for more input. > > i want to get this right becuase the wait list for the road test is two > months long -- and i can't wait to get out of the city. > > thanks for the advice (DC specific or otherwise) > > -Charlie > 99 SV650 > Charlie, As far as my addled brain can recall, by DC "road" test (taken in 1999) consisted of the following. A sweeping turn in second gear. Quick stop using both brakes. Tool around the parking lot to a stop sign. Stop (duh). Put on your blinker and execute a sharp left hand turn. Cancel blinker. A figure eight in a space about 24' wide. This would be the same space requirement as that used in the MSF evaluation, although it was a true figure-eight, not two U-turns. BTW, the examiner gave every indication of having made up the test on the spot. The location was the former DMV Brentwood Rd. facility, which is now under about 20' of fill with a Giant supermarket on top. I can't give you much guidance as to how to practice, not having seen the new setup that they use. Pity there's no reciprocity agreement with adjoining states to cut through this utterly worthless bureaucratic hoop for MSF card holders. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 13:56:13 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:56:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Here's a possible starter bike, especially for the tall. Don't know if it fits your riding style, but who knows. From the DSN_KLR650 list.... '96 KLR 650 for sale in Northern Virginia area. Progressive springs, new battery last fall, new Duro tire last fall. Acerbis lever guards, stainless steel fasteners upgrade. Braided front lines. Extra 14t sprocket for offroading. Runs excellent. Asking $1950. Title in hand and pictures available upon request. Serious enquiries send email to twinflames_tnt@XXXXXX. p.s. Also have lowering kit available(Quality engine 1.5 inch dogbones and shortened sidestand) in addition to dipped Corbin saddle if a shorter rider would be interested in converting this bike for a lower saddle height. Thanks, Todd __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 14:19:56 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:19:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: How many poser points are these worth... To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX colored re-treads? fun? huh, maybe you're right. human lawn darts might be fun (but only as a spectator). --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Cool! I don't know about posers, but I've always > wondered why colored tires never caught on. Black ones > are colored black, why not try other colors - you want > gangster whitewalls? How about all white! > > Fun. > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: Tom de > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:36:02 -0400 > > > > > > >http://www.cycletires.com/ > > > > > >SuperCool! > > > >Tom de '98 VTR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 14:22:10 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX perry: you picked the wrong duc (for both torque and panache) --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Well,I'm not a Harley rider, but my impression is that > torque is something > you "feel" especially in the seat of the pants. Torque is > more interesting > when dealing with typical "street legal" kind of speeds. > HP becomes more > interesting when you want to go real fast. Unfortunately, > unless you're on a > racetrack, you're kind of limited to how fast you can > (safely) go. However, > how quickly you get from zero to whatever speed you can > safely go, is what > torque gets you. > > As an example, my Concours is a 16-valve, 1000cc inline > four, with a redline > in the low 5-digit range. You'd think it would be tuned > for high-end HP. I > test rode a Ducati ST2 with a 4-valve, 900cc v-twin > expecting a real torque > monster. I was wrong. My Concours would outpull that Duck > until about 100 > mph and then it was all over. Once the Duck got some > RPM's the HP kicked in > and it ran great. However, trying to find a gear to go > with the road speed > at anything less than about 6K RPM was a PITA. I can lug > the Concours down > to about 2K, or run it up to about 8K and have plenty of > torque. Admittedly, > this is all very unscientific, but it works for me. I > kept the Concours and > passed on the Duck. (I don't have that kind of panache, > anyway...) ;^) > > Perry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 14:24:42 2003 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: How many poser points are these worth... Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:24:36 -0400 > > From: Tom Gimer > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon PM 02:19:48 EDT > To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: How many poser points are these worth... > > colored re-treads? fun? huh, maybe you're right. human > lawn darts might be fun (but only as a spectator). > bah..I'm holding out until they make a matching seat and footpegs. I think it would be pretty cool if they could imprint pictures into the tread. Like maybe a flattened squirrel or cagers head or something. 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 14:33:55 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: HP vs. Torque. Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:33:48 -0400 The discussions today re: torque vs. horsepower are complete and udder bullshiat.....moo! Reality: Horsepower = Torque * RPM ...with appropriate conversion factors for units which work out to about 5250. So, at about 5250 rpm, torque and HP are the same number (e.g. 50 ft-lbs of torque at 5250 rpm is 50 horsepower). When someone says a motor is "torquey" or "has a lot of torque" what they really mean to say is that the motor puts out a bunch of torque at low rpms, and maintains that torque over a wide range of rpm. In other words, a big, flat torque curve that goes from, say, 2k to 6k. The opposite would be a peaky motor (think of a non-power-valved motocrosser from 25 years ago). It has a tiny little band of rpms, say between 9.5k and 11k, where all the power (and torque!) is made. It's one of those engineering tradeoffs. For a given displacement, do you want the maximum peak horsepower (move the torque up the rpm range and narrow the powerband) or do you want a broad powerband (move the torque curve to the left and broaden it out) at the expense of peak HP? But the bottom line is that at any given RPM, what you "feel" is torque and HP, since they are proportional at any given RPM. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 1:06 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Well,I'm not a Harley rider, but my impression is that torque is something you "feel" especially in the seat of the pants. Torque is more interesting when dealing with typical "street legal" kind of speeds. HP becomes more interesting when you want to go real fast. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 14:38:07 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:37:08 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Rob Sharp CC: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Rob Sharp wrote: > I realize the Harleys are more tuned for torque, honestly I don't see why > becuase your not towing a trailer, any Harley riders care to chime in > regarding the benifits of more torque than HP?? > > Rob Why yes! Torque is tractor-ville. One can flip over the fishtail exhaust tip thingers so the tails drag the ground and use your Harley to plow furrows in the north forty! And you can bungee a 5 gallon bucket on the back, punch a couple holes in the bottom, fill it fulla seed and the Harley vibes shake the seeds out into the newly plowed furrows. Kick ass! On a more serious note *giggle*, zooping up from say 45 to passing speed with my torqueless 550cc UJM required bumping down from 6th to 3rd to get the Revs up. To do the same on my Hawg I just turn the wick up and she goes. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 14:38:27 2003 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:38:04 -0400 Yeah, that was a few years ago. They've come a long way since then, like with the ST4. However, I still see the Concours as the kind of girl you marry versus the Ducati being more like the passionate mistress... ;^) And I've been married for a long time...with no mistress - passionate, or otherwise! Perry >From: Tom Gimer >To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course >Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:22:02 -0700 (PDT) > >perry: >you picked the wrong duc (for both torque and panache) > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 14:51:08 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Took me a while but.... Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:50:58 -0400 Here are some photos from Summit Point's last two races: http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/race_index.htm Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 15:07:20 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Keith Lamond" , Subject: In hot pursuit of the elusive VFR500, was Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:07:38 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Lamond" That said, some bikes you might be able > to find in your price range include: > > Suzuki GS500e (standard/sport) > Kawasaki Ninja 500 (sport) > Kawasaki Vulcan 500 (cruiser) > Yamaha Virago 535 (cruiser) > Honda VFR 500 > Honda Magna 500 (made in 84-85) > A VFR500? A bike I would *love* to own, but only in my dreams, and yours too apparently. ;-) No such critter. There is a VFR400, unfortunately a gray market import on these shores, like so many, and probably not eligible for "newbie" bike ownership due to its rarity and "collector's item" price tag. There is, of course, a VF500, which came in two flavors, the "F" Interceptor and the "C" Magna. To my knowledge those were the Honda V4s ever offered at that displacement (498 cc) and never carried an "R" designation. Good clean ones can be had in the neighborhood of $1200. Not so clean ones, with "issues" like mine, for around $600-800. Aftermarket and OEM parts support starts to wane for such old bikes, which could be a headache for a newbie who would rather ride than futz with things and troll eBay. And the now oddball wheel sizes limit tire choices. FWIW, in the earlier years, the "VFR" designation denoted a street race rep. versions of the full bodywork V-4 racing bikes. A practice dropped with the 1990 VFR750F (RC-36) which bore little resemblance to a race bike as the VFR line made the transition to sport-tourer. More than you ever wanted to know about Honda V-4s and their model designations here. http://www.vsource.org/VFR-RVF_files/VFR-RVFBlindset.htm Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 15:13:23 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Perry Coleman" , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:14:27 -0400 I think if I compared my wife to a Connie I'd be sleeping on the couch for a month. ;-) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" > > However, I still see the Concours as the kind of girl you marry versus the > Ducati being more like the passionate mistress... ;^) > > And I've been married for a long time...with no mistress - passionate, or > otherwise! > > Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 15:19:28 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:20:56 -0400 Subject: Re: DC rider road test To: "Charlie Ozark" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Their trick was to have a stop sign set back about 20 feet from the test intersection. If you didn't stop at the sign (for no other reason than it was there) and again at the intersection, you failed---unless the examiner was in a good mood. Arbitrary, capricious, and stupid. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 16:19:36 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:18:34 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Paul Wilson CC: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Paul Wilson wrote: > I think if I compared my wife to a Connie I'd be sleeping on the couch for a > month. ;-) Heh. If I compared my wife to a Connie she'd want to know who in hell "Connie" is and I'd be sleeping in the ER under heavy pain medication. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 16:31:07 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: SV front wheels for sale/repair? On Mon, 12 May 2003, Jeff Conlin wrote: > Are there any recommended local places that could repair my broken wheel > in the next few days, or does anyone have any good SV front wheels they'd > like to sell? I don't know if they do MC wheels, but Ye Olde Wheel Shoppe in MD has repaired many car wheels for me and my friends. I don't see why they wouldn't do 2 wheelers. Contact information: 6363 Washington Blvd Elkridge, MD 21075-5348 Phone: 800-526-8260 Phone(alternate): 410-796-8400 Directions: >From the DC Beltway: - 95N to exit 43a - route 100E - 100E to exit 6b - route 1N (2nd exit after you get on 100) - 1N for 2-3 miles, road "Ys", bear right - 2nd building on the left Hope that helps! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 16:42:48 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: SV front wheels for sale/repair? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There are "Wanted" and "For Sale" sections of SVRider.com's Message Board. I would check and post there to see if anyone has a wheel for sale. Also, eBay.com seems to show them fairly frequently. The WERA BBS might also be a source for a new wheel if you decide to go that way. www.wera.com I think. Chris --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Mon, 12 May 2003, Jeff Conlin wrote: > > > Are there any recommended local places that could > repair my broken wheel > > in the next few days, or does anyone have any good > SV front wheels they'd > > like to sell? > > I don't know if they do MC wheels, but Ye Olde Wheel > Shoppe in MD has > repaired many car wheels for me and my friends. I > don't see why they > wouldn't do 2 wheelers. > > Contact information: > 6363 Washington Blvd > Elkridge, MD 21075-5348 > Phone: 800-526-8260 > Phone(alternate): 410-796-8400 > > Directions: > From the DC Beltway: > > - 95N to exit 43a - route 100E > - 100E to exit 6b - route 1N (2nd exit after you get > on 100) > - 1N for 2-3 miles, road "Ys", bear right > - 2nd building on the left > > Hope that helps! > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 17:24:29 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:24:05 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: charlieozark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC rider road test I thought if you took and passed the MSF in either Virginia or Maryland you could skip the riding test in DC? Maybe I'm wrong. Comments from the peanut gallery? Scooter In a message dated 5/12/2003 11:49:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, charlieozark@XXXXXX writes: > > > hello all. thanks to everyone on the board who gave me advice about dealing > with the DC DMV earlier this year (march-ish). My bike has been insured, > inspected, registered, titled etc without having to doubleback during the > process. however i have one final obstacle, the DC rider road test - does > anyone know what it consists of? I took and passed MSF in NoVA in April and > have been practicing off and on but have no idea what types of tests to > expect. In the course i was graded on: > > figure 8 in 20x40 box, emergency swerve and brake, 2nd gear curve and > possibly something else I can't remember right now. i've experimented some > with recreating the class tests but am hoping for more input. > > i want to get this right becuase the wait list for the road test is two > months long -- and i can't wait to get out of the city. > > thanks for the advice (DC specific or otherwise) > > -Charlie > 99 SV650 > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 17:30:24 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: DC rider road test To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, charlieozark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX i wish it were so, but that's not the way it was in fall 2001; jib --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I thought if you took and passed the MSF in either > Virginia or Maryland you could skip the riding test > in DC? Maybe I'm wrong. Comments from the peanut > gallery? > > Scooter > > In a message dated 5/12/2003 11:49:46 AM Eastern > Standard Time, charlieozark@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > hello all. thanks to everyone on the board who > gave me advice about dealing > > with the DC DMV earlier this year (march-ish). My > bike has been insured, > > inspected, registered, titled etc without having > to doubleback during the > > process. however i have one final obstacle, the > DC rider road test - does > > anyone know what it consists of? I took and > passed MSF in NoVA in April and > > have been practicing off and on but have no idea > what types of tests to > > expect. In the course i was graded on: > > > > figure 8 in 20x40 box, emergency swerve and brake, > 2nd gear curve and > > possibly something else I can't remember right > now. i've experimented some > > with recreating the class tests but am hoping for > more input. > > > > i want to get this right becuase the wait list for > the road test is two > > months long -- and i can't wait to get out of the > city. > > > > thanks for the advice (DC specific or otherwise) > > > > -Charlie > > 99 SV650 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > _____ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 17:33:52 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , , Subject: Re: DC rider road test Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:31:43 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: > I thought if you took and passed the MSF in either Virginia or Maryland you could skip the riding test in DC? Maybe I'm wrong. Comments from the peanut gallery? > In a word: no. :) Longer response: there is a bill filed in the DC Council to grant endorsements of a temporary kind to DCers who have had the MSF course but do not presently own a motorcycle and can't take a road test. So far the bill has gone nowhere. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 21:24:54 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Keith Lamond" , Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:21:51 -0400 I addressed this issue, I offered my bike. lol I am 6'2" 250 and I fit pretty well, just would like to move up to a ZRX1200, Bandit 1200 or Goldwing. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Lamond" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Almost no one (except maybe Paul and Matt) has > addressed the original question, as to what are some > good sub 600 bikes that can be had for around > $1500.00, and would also be good for someone who is > 6.3. > > Unfortunately, I can't give any advice on the height > issue. You'll just have to sit on many bikes and see > how you feel. That said, some bikes you might be able > to find in your price range include: > > Suzuki GS500e (standard/sport) > Kawasaki Ninja 500 (sport) > Kawasaki Vulcan 500 (cruiser) > Yamaha Virago 535 (cruiser) > Honda VFR 500 > Honda Magna 500 (made in 84-85) > > Becuase of the low number of < 600 displacement bikes > in the US, you may also want to look at some bikes in > the 600 range that are known for having tame engines. > > The Yamaha Seca II and Suzuki Bandit 600 both fit this > description. > > Good luck on your hunt. We may run into each other > some time as I live in Reston near Lake Anne, and ride > a red Suzuki SV650. Let me know what you get, and > I'll keep an I out for you. > > Keith > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 21:49:18 2003 From: "Vinny & Tracey" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/12/03 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:46:55 -0400 500 cc is plenty for a new rider. I'm a new rider and I think my ninja 500R can move plenty fast, fast enough to get scary. I went on a ride with a co-worker that has an R6 and has been riding for years. He took me on a very 'spirited' ride through the back roads of Carroll and Baltimore counties. He certainly was able to out corner and out accelerate me, but I didn;t think that there was any speed he could sanely do that I couldn't do also (if I had the skill & confidence to lean the bike over as far as he was). I never came close to red line and I was able to easily stay within 100 feet of the R6. As for fit, I think the Ninja 500 may be small for someone over 6 ft. I'm 5'8" and I'm starting to think that would feel more comfortable on a slightly bigger bike. Unfortunately I think there are very few choices for mildly tuned, low cost sport bikes. You can check out a used Suzuki GS500 or a Ninja 500. Both are great bikes, the ninja is a better value, but both might be small for someone your size. How about a used ducati 600 monster, or a used bmw 650 (if you can find one at a reasonable price)? Is it possible to get a bigger bike and de-tune it for more mild acceleration? As for the hog rides, I went on one a few weeks ago and don't think I will again. Being a new rider I thought I would be the one making newbie mistakes. But the so-called 'experienced riders' with their very expensive harleys (and gold wings) seemed to have a very hard time keeping a staggered formation, maintaining a steady pace, and in many instances showed a complete lack of common sense. One fine example is when this guy on a black harley decided to speed up and come right next to me on the outside just as we were entering a very tight right hand curve somewhere's around Thurmont. And he didn't back off or pass me, he just stayed right next to me. To make matters worse, the two harley riders in front were doing the same thing and they actually slowed down coming out of the curve, leaving me completely boxed in. Now I thought I just thought it would be common sense to ride single file in the twisties, but I guess this particular group of 40 plus harleys and a few other types of cruisers didn;t think so. Maybe being a new rider I was just so much more intent on trying to all the right things, while the 'experienced riders' were very complacent. Either way, I think I'll stick with smaller groups of sport bike riders, it's more fun and I think somewhat safer too. Vinny ----- Original Message ----- From: "The dc-cycles list administrator" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/12/03 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:37:36 -0400 (EDT) > From: Jeff Conlin > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: My new SVS... > X-AvMilter-Key: 1052714557:6a7c72e969b7faace69fce295d3ecc60 > X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small > X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey > > WV16 chewed me up and spit me out... literally. > > http://jeffconlin.com/eyes/0305%20-%20sme79/index.htm > > Thanks to SabMag, the bike had a new front wheel (with DOT race tire) in > record time, and I've got a lawyer (at the urging of both the local > sheriff and fire dept.) > > All told, though, it was a great weekend (US50/VA7 home today in the > breeze), and I can't say enough about how great that little bike is. > -- > Jeff Conlin > Beltsville, MD > http://jeffconlin.com > '01 SV650S - "Over Easy" > '95 GPz1100 - "Cruise Missile" > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:11:21 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Sean Jordan > Subject: Re: My new SVS... > > Ahh...I recognize that tire well. The venerable yet highly sticky > Bridgestone BT56SS. I raced those on my FZR400 for two years. Very grippy. > > -Sean Jordan > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Bruhl, George LT" > To: "'Dave Yates'" , > "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: Holy Cow Batt Man! > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:23:50 -0400 > > Charge your batt. Put your multi-meter on the terms -- it should read 12 > VDC + or - a volt or two.... > > Start your bike. Put your multi-meter on the terms it should read 12 VDC + > maybe 12.5 maybe 13. The indication at that point is that your batt is > receiving a charge. If your batt is not receiving a charge then you have > other issues which will need further trouble-shooting. > > gb > > > > Got a brand new battery Thursday. I thought it was > > charged properly. It worked great for 2 days. > > > > Tonight, after my longest ride in a while (30 mins > > around 4, 30 more about 10PM) it just died on Mass > > ave. > > Still some battery power but not enought to > > start. Pushed it off to a parking space and hoofed > > home. > > > > 1991 VFR. What do you think this is? COuld it be the > > regulator/rectifier which is a VFR problem area? Or a > > bad first charge? Or the alternator? > > [Dave] When you say "thought it was charged properly", can you be more > specific? > Start with the cheapest... try to ressurrect the current battery by putting > it on a charger > overnight ( a slow charger, but more powerful than the battery tender ). If > this works, and > it doesn't die again the next couple of days, chances are this battery won't > last as long > as normal, but should be ok for the season. If that fails ( it won't start > after charging ), > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:13:56 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: "Bruhl, George LT" > CC: "'Dave Yates'" , > "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: Re: Holy Cow Batt Man! > > Methinks your numbers are off. A fully charged battery will read close to 13 > volts. With the engine running you should see a hair over 14 volts. Just for > giggles I checked mine this AM - 12.6 volts sitting, 14.5 volts engine running > at idle. > > Bill > > "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > > > Charge your batt. Put your multi-meter on the terms -- it should read 12 > > VDC + or - a volt or two.... > > > > Start your bike. Put your multi-meter on the terms it should read 12 VDC + > > maybe 12.5 maybe 13. The indication at that point is that your batt is > > receiving a charge. If your batt is not receiving a charge then you have > > other issues which will need further trouble-shooting. > > > > gb > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 05:46:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Lurking > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Hello All, > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a couple weeks ago (I'd > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the Nighthawk 250 that I > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted to throw my hat > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs well for $1,500 or > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season and then perhaps > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My main concerns are > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that it runs well. I'd > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the bike. I'm located in > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me know if there are > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC motorcyclists! > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > lurking444@XXXXXX > > ===== > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 06:04:01 -0700 (PDT) > From: Todd Withrow > Subject: Re: My new SVS... > To: Jeff Conlin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Glad to see that your spill was not too bad and you > are ok. > > If you are interested in a Givi hard bag for your SV, > let me know. It is better than bungee cording your > stuff to the back. My wife did not like hers, so we > took it off. > > Todd W. > > > --- Jeff Conlin wrote: > > WV16 chewed me up and spit me out... literally. > > > > > http://jeffconlin.com/eyes/0305%20-%20sme79/index.htm > > > > Thanks to SabMag, the bike had a new front wheel > > (with DOT race tire) in > > record time, and I've got a lawyer (at the urging of > > both the local > > sheriff and fire dept.) > > > > All told, though, it was a great weekend (US50/VA7 > > home today in the > > breeze), and I can't say enough about how great that > > little bike is. > > -- > > Jeff Conlin > > Beltsville, MD > > http://jeffconlin.com > > '01 SV650S - "Over Easy" > > '95 GPz1100 - "Cruise Missile" > > > > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: "S. Russell" > From: "S. Russell" > To: "Lurking" , > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:04:38 -0400 > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I am > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lurking" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > Hello All, > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a couple > weeks ago (I'd > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > Nighthawk 250 that I > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted to > throw my hat > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs > well for $1,500 or > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season and > then perhaps > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My main > concerns are > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that > it runs well. I'd > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the > bike. I'm located in > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me > know if there are > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC motorcyclists! > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > ===== > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:15:43 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: "S. Russell" > CC: Lurking , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > "S. Russell" wrote: > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I am > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > Horsepucky. A 500 has more than enough power to shove a bike and a 220 pound > rider down the road at scary speeds. The cc size isn't a deal breaker, tis the > frame size. A 600 Kawi Eliminator is way to dinky for my 6', 180 frame, but > several bikes in that cc range fit fine. It's a sit on it and check the comfort > deal. > > Bill > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Dan Thompson" > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:24:36 -0400 > > S. Russell wrote: > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > am > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > snip.... > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You should > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year or > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, I > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for your > size and ride. > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > Danny > '78 FJ40 > '02 FZ1 > '02 XR250R > CSBA #150 > TLCA #13436 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I am > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lurking" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > Hello All, > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a couple > weeks ago (I'd > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > Nighthawk 250 that I > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted to > throw my hat > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs > well for $1,500 or > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season and > then perhaps > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My main > concerns are > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that > it runs well. I'd > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the > bike. I'm located in > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me > know if there are > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC motorcyclists! > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > ===== > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "William J. Huson" > Cc: > Subject: Re: Holy Cow Batt Man! > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:18:13 -0400 > > Yep, a fully-charged lead-acid battery should read somewhere north of 12.5 > V. On the VFR I have a voltmeter installed as an early warning system for > electrical system meltdown. It reads about 12.8V at idle and around 14.4V > when the RPMs are up. Other bikes do seem to put out lowing charging > voltages though, so YMMV. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Huson" > > > > Methinks your numbers are off. A fully charged battery will read close to > 13 > > volts. With the engine running you should see a hair over 14 volts. Just > for > > giggles I checked mine this AM - 12.6 volts sitting, 14.5 volts engine > running > > at idle. > > > > Bill > > > > "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > > > > > Charge your batt. Put your multi-meter on the terms -- it should read > 12 > > > VDC + or - a volt or two.... > > > > > > Start your bike. Put your multi-meter on the terms it should read 12 > VDC + > > > maybe 12.5 maybe 13. The indication at that point is that your batt is > > > receiving a charge. If your batt is not receiving a charge then you > have > > > other issues which will need further trouble-shooting. > > > > > > gb > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: "S. Russell" > From: "S. Russell" > To: "Dan Thompson" , > "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:37:12 -0400 > > After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. That > was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have said > was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. > > Sorry > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Thompson" > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > S. Russell wrote: > > > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > > am > > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > snip.... > > > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You should > > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year or > > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, I > > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for your > > size and ride. > > > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > > > Danny > > '78 FJ40 > > '02 FZ1 > > '02 XR250R > > CSBA #150 > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > am > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then > > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new > > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > > > Scott > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lurking" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a > couple > > weeks ago (I'd > > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > > Nighthawk 250 that I > > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted > to > > throw my hat > > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs > > well for $1,500 or > > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season > and > > then perhaps > > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My > main > > concerns are > > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that > > it runs well. I'd > > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the > > bike. I'm located in > > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me > > know if there are > > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC > motorcyclists! > > > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > > > ===== > > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Dan Thompson" > To: "S. Russell" > Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:52:25 -0400 > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter of > personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two smoke" > 125's. :) > > Danny > '78 FJ40 > '02 FZ1 > '02 XR250R > CSBA #150 > TLCA #13436 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:37 AM > To: Dan Thompson; Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. That > was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have said > was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. > > Sorry > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Thompson" > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > S. Russell wrote: > > > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > > am > > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > snip.... > > > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You should > > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year or > > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, I > > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for your > > size and ride. > > > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > > > Danny > > '78 FJ40 > > '02 FZ1 > > '02 XR250R > > CSBA #150 > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > am > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then > > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new > > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > > > Scott > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lurking" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a > couple > > weeks ago (I'd > > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > > Nighthawk 250 that I > > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted > to > > throw my hat > > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs > > well for $1,500 or > > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season > and > > then perhaps > > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My > main > > concerns are > > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that > > it runs well. I'd > > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the > > bike. I'm located in > > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me > > know if there are > > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC > motorcyclists! > > > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > > > ===== > > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: > To: "Dan Thompson" , "S. Russell" > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 9:51:10 -0400 > > > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a beginner, just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes half that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group rides. > > cheers, > -aki > > > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > To: "S. Russell" > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter of > > personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two smoke" > > 125's. :) > > > > Danny > > '78 FJ40 > > '02 FZ1 > > '02 XR250R > > CSBA #150 > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:37 AM > > To: Dan Thompson; Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. That > > was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have said > > was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. > > > > Sorry > > > > Scott > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > S. Russell wrote: > > > > > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > > > am > > > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > snip.... > > > > > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > > > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You should > > > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > > > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year or > > > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, I > > > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for your > > > size and ride. > > > > > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > > > > > Danny > > > '78 FJ40 > > > '02 FZ1 > > > '02 XR250R > > > CSBA #150 > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > > > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. I > > am > > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > > > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it then > > > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a new > > > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lurking" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > > > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a > > couple > > > weeks ago (I'd > > > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > > > Nighthawk 250 that I > > > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and wanted > > to > > > throw my hat > > > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that runs > > > well for $1,500 or > > > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall season > > and > > > then perhaps > > > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. My > > main > > > concerns are > > > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and that > > > it runs well. I'd > > > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on the > > > bike. I'm located in > > > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let me > > > know if there are > > > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC > > motorcyclists! > > > > > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great > > > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect > > > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Carl Schelin > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:08:05 -0400 > > It's the mentality. The Motor Company has done too good a job of pushing > themselves without a good lower end bike to fall back to. Yamaha V-Stars for > example. The 650 Custom is just the right bike for my wife who's a beginner. > > They have the Sportster which is a top-heavy 883 or 1200cc bike that some > Harley folks call "half-a-harley". > > So fighting the stigma of either a "jap bike" or a "half-a-harley", they > overextend themselves and get a full sized hawg. > > They need to take that 883 motor and put it into a Softail type frame. > > Carl > > On Monday 12 May 2003 09:51, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a beginner, > > just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes half > > that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group > > rides. > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > > To: "S. Russell" > > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter > > > of personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two > > > smoke" 125's. :) > > > > > > Danny > > > '78 FJ40 > > > '02 FZ1 > > > '02 XR250R > > > CSBA #150 > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if > Windows Source Code is made public. > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: "S. Russell" > From: "S. Russell" > To: , "Dan Thompson" > Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:11:53 -0400 > > Speaking of HOG groups, was there a HOG convention downtown this weekend. I > saw the VA state troopers and all harleys there around the convention center > this weekend. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Dan Thompson" ; "S. Russell" > > Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a > beginner, just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes > half that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group > rides. > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > > To: "S. Russell" > > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter > of > > > personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two > smoke" > > > 125's. :) > > > > > > Danny > > > '78 FJ40 > > > '02 FZ1 > > > '02 XR250R > > > CSBA #150 > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:37 AM > > > To: Dan Thompson; Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. > That > > > was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have > said > > > was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. > > > > > > Sorry > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > S. Russell wrote: > > > > > > > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a > 600. I > > > > am > > > > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > snip.... > > > > > > > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > > > > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You > should > > > > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > > > > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year > or > > > > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, > I > > > > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for > your > > > > size and ride. > > > > > > > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > '78 FJ40 > > > > '02 FZ1 > > > > '02 XR250R > > > > CSBA #150 > > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > > > > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. > I > > > am > > > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > > > > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > > > > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it > then > > > > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a > new > > > > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lurking" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > > > > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a > > > couple > > > > weeks ago (I'd > > > > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > > > > Nighthawk 250 that I > > > > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and > wanted > > > to > > > > throw my hat > > > > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that > runs > > > > well for $1,500 or > > > > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall > season > > > and > > > > then perhaps > > > > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. > My > > > main > > > > concerns are > > > > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and > that > > > > it runs well. I'd > > > > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on > the > > > > bike. I'm located in > > > > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let > me > > > > know if there are > > > > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC > > > motorcyclists! > > > > > > > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > > > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this > great > > > > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and > protect > > > > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: > To: "S. Russell" , "Dan Thompson" > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:15:03 -0400 > > I believe last weekend was the annual LAW ride. Wait > until the Memorial Day weekend for REAL fun. Our local > chapter, Fairfax HOG, is sponsoring the Va. State HOG Rally > which will be held in the Chantilly Expo Center this year. > > -aki > > > > > > > > From: "S. Russell" > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 10:11:53 EDT > > To: , > > "Dan Thompson" > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > Speaking of HOG groups, was there a HOG convention downtown this weekend. I > > saw the VA state troopers and all harleys there around the convention center > > this weekend. > > > > Scott > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Dan Thompson" ; "S. Russell" > > > > Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:51 AM > > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a > > beginner, just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes > > half that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group > > rides. > > > > > > cheers, > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > > > To: "S. Russell" > > > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter > > of > > > > personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two > > smoke" > > > > 125's. :) > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > '78 FJ40 > > > > '02 FZ1 > > > > '02 XR250R > > > > CSBA #150 > > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:37 AM > > > > To: Dan Thompson; Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > > > After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. > > That > > > > was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have > > said > > > > was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. > > > > > > > > Sorry > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM > > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > > > > S. Russell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a > > 600. I > > > > > am > > > > > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > > snip.... > > > > > > > > > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > > > > > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You > > should > > > > > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > > > > > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year > > or > > > > > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, > > I > > > > > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for > > your > > > > > size and ride. > > > > > > > > > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > > '78 FJ40 > > > > > '02 FZ1 > > > > > '02 XR250R > > > > > CSBA #150 > > > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > > > > > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. > > I > > > > am > > > > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > > > > > > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > > > > > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it > > then > > > > > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a > > new > > > > > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lurking" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > > > > > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a > > > > couple > > > > > weeks ago (I'd > > > > > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > > > > > Nighthawk 250 that I > > > > > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and > > wanted > > > > to > > > > > throw my hat > > > > > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that > > runs > > > > > well for $1,500 or > > > > > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall > > season > > > > and > > > > > then perhaps > > > > > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. > > My > > > > main > > > > > concerns are > > > > > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and > > that > > > > > it runs well. I'd > > > > > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on > > the > > > > > bike. I'm located in > > > > > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let > > me > > > > > know if there are > > > > > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC > > > > motorcyclists! > > > > > > > > > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > > > > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this > > great > > > > > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and > > protect > > > > > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "dc-cycles list" > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:48:39 -0400 > > People get too hung-up on engine displacement as the measuring stick. There > are other things to think about: seat height, ergos (bar reach, footpeg > placement, etc.), type of riding you intend to do, overall machine weight, > throttle response, not to mention what the displacement actually puts on the > ground in terms of torque and hp. > > I started out on a fairly gentle beast, a CB750 Nighthawk, but now that I > have the VF500F, I wish I had started a bit "smaller" and sportier. The 500 > produces as much torque and HP as the Nighthawk, but it's about 100 pounds > lighter. As a newbie, I think I would have appreciated that. And it > corners like a dream compared with the porky Nighthawk and its "tractor" > like steering. It probably would have helped my cornering and low speed > skill development too. > > It's a bit sad that the Japanese OEMs (save Kawasaki) have virtually > abandoned the sub-600 cc class sportbike market in the USA. I was having > this discussion with a biker pen pal from New Zealand. Apparently Honda > imports all sorts of small sporty bikes into NZ (all of 4 million people > live there), including the VTR250, which hasn't been sold in the USA in more > than a decade. I don't know if NZ's licensing laws encourage this, but that > may be part of it. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Dan Thompson" ; "S. Russell" > > Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a > beginner, just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes > half that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group > rides. > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > > To: "S. Russell" > > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter > of > > > personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two > smoke" > > > 125's. :) > > > > > > Danny > > > '78 FJ40 > > > '02 FZ1 > > > '02 XR250R > > > CSBA #150 > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:37 AM > > > To: Dan Thompson; Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > After thinking about it I withdraw my last post on sheer stupidity. > That > > > was the reason I got the 700 in the first place. What I should have > said > > > was make sure the size fits the person, not just the cc size. > > > > > > Sorry > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 AM > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > S. Russell wrote: > > > > > > > > >If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a > 600. I > > > > am > > > > >6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > snip.... > > > > > > > > No, you should NOT be on something bigger than a 600 unless you are an > > > > accomplished experienced rider with some miles under your belt. You > should > > > > be on a 500 or vtwin 650 or 750 or MAYBE a 600. As a new rider I would > > > > encourage you to start with a "smaller (cc's)" bike for the first year > or > > > > so, I doubt that you could reach the limits/potential of a small bike, > I > > > > know I couldn't. Get a smaller bike and get the suspension sorted for > your > > > > size and ride. > > > > > > > > Note: This is my opinion and advice. > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > '78 FJ40 > > > > '02 FZ1 > > > > '02 XR250R > > > > CSBA #150 > > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:05 AM > > > > To: Lurking; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are 6'3" 220 lbs, you should be on something bigger than a 600. > I > > > am > > > > 6'2" 250 and I am on a 700 which is too small. > > > > > > > > I could probably let my 84 Nighthawk go for 1500, runs great but has > > > > cosmetic flaws from the second owner. He sideswipped something it > then > > > > never rode it again. Have almost got it back into shape, just need a > new > > > > cowl for it. Anyone know a salvage yard for an 84 CB700SC? > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lurking" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:46 AM > > > > Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > Finally got into an MSF class out at Loudoun campus of NOVA a > > > couple > > > > weeks ago (I'd > > > > > been waiting for 10 months!). I did well and had lots of fun on the > > > > Nighthawk 250 that I > > > > > rode in the class. I'm now in the market for a starter bike and > wanted > > > to > > > > throw my hat > > > > > into the ring if any of you are looking to get rid of a bike that > runs > > > > well for $1,500 or > > > > > less. I expect to ride the bike I get now for the summer/fall > season > > > and > > > > then perhaps > > > > > upgrade within 1 year. This is why I'm looking for a cheap bike. > My > > > main > > > > concerns are > > > > > that the bike is confortable for my 6'3" frame (about 220 lbs), and > that > > > > it runs well. I'd > > > > > like to keep it at or below 600 cc's but it really all depends on > the > > > > bike. I'm located in > > > > > Reston, VA, but willing to drive a little way for a good bike. Let > me > > > > know if there are > > > > > any leads you know of. Can't wait to join the ranks of DC > > > motorcyclists! > > > > > > > > > > -Kipp Elsbernd. > > > > > lurking444@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this > great > > > > > nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and > protect > > > > > our homeland." -Adolf Hitler > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:59:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: patti rodgers > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, "S. Russell" , > Dan Thompson > Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > I believe last weekend was the annual LAW ride. > > Wait > > until the Memorial Day weekend for REAL fun. > > My experience has been that the Law Ride is always > more fun than Rolling Thunder. You get the same > experience of a giant rumbly collection of bikes but > you don't have to stand in a parking lot for 6 hours > to do it. You don't have to go home to use the > bathroom because it is faster than waiting in line. > Also, I can't think of too many folks that party > harder than cops at National Police Week. Who's gonna > arrest you? > > I had a really good time at my 4th Law Ride yesterday > and while I know I will also have a good time at > Rolling Thunder this year, I also know I will have to > suffer more. > > Just my opinion! > > cheers, > > Patti > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:20:53 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Carl Schelin > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > They have the Sportster which is a top-heavy 883 or 1200cc bike that some > > Harley folks call "half-a-harley". > > Huh? I thought it was called a "Harley-Lite" > > > They need to take that 883 motor and put it into a Softail type frame. > > That would be cool. Methinks the 883 has dern near the HP of an EVO anyway, and > one can always yank the jugs and bump it up to 1200cc for under a grand when they > feel the need for more punch. > > Bill > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:23:03 -0400 > From: "Chris Norloff" > Reply-To: > To: "List-dc cycles" > Subject: buy "Then Came Bronson" > > If anybody wants the Then Came Bronson pilot movie, I found a company selling it for $25 > > http://www.hondahog.com/drcatalog/product.asp?intProdID=130 > It's a good copy, but not a perfect one. A little dark in places, and the volume varies quite a bit. Still, it's sure worth $25. > > Gotta love that bike - street bike, sand bike, and champion hillclimber - why don't they build bikes like that now! > > Chris Norloff > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:30:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: matthew patton > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > I started out on a fairly gentle beast, a CB750 Nighthawk, but now > > that I have the VF500F, I wish I had started a bit "smaller" and > > sportier. > > Not to be Paul's echo or anything but I likewise started on a 90's > series Nighthawk 750. After owning a Suz GS500e there is absolutely no > doubt in my mind that the GS or it's equivalent should have been my > first ride. A newbie rider's primary enemies are excessive power on-tap > and vehicle weight. > > > than a decade. I don't know if NZ's licensing laws encourage this, > > but that > > may be part of it. > > Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's > "Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous > vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing > programs. Where the requirement to own a modest vehicle is a legal > requirement, the suppliers will step in. IMO the AMA, MSF, every > insurance company, and the state licensing bodies should be waging an > all out effort to bring mandated graduated licensing to this country. > The Europeans don't always get things right but this one, they have > done correctly. > > > ===== > Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Carl Schelin > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:26:32 -0400 > > On Monday 12 May 2003 11:20, William J. Huson wrote: > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > They have the Sportster which is a top-heavy 883 or 1200cc bike that some > > > Harley folks call "half-a-harley". > > > > Huh? I thought it was called a "Harley-Lite" > > > > Back in '82 I was looking at buying my first Harley. The Sportster was in my > price range but my friends ragged me about buying a "half-a-harley". Maybe > the "harley-lite" came into being when the "lite" beers came out; mid 80's? > > Oh, and I didn't get the bike because the Army didn't want a 5 lb overweight > illustrator. > > > > They need to take that 883 motor and put it into a Softail type frame. > > > > That would be cool. Methinks the 883 has dern near the HP of an EVO > > anyway, and one can always yank the jugs and bump it up to 1200cc for under > > a grand when they feel the need for more punch. > > > > Maybe that's why they don't. It would infringe on the full sized Softails. > $8,500 for a Softail Junior compaired to $13k for the full sized one and $22k > for the Senior class tourer :-) > > > Bill > > Carl > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if > Windows Source Code is made public. > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: > To: patti rodgers , "S. Russell" , > Dan Thompson > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:41:12 -0400 > > > > > > From: patti rodgers > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 10:59:55 EDT > > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, "S. Russell" , > > Dan Thompson > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I believe last weekend was the annual LAW ride. > > > Wait > > > until the Memorial Day weekend for REAL fun. > > > > My experience has been that the Law Ride is always > > more fun than Rolling Thunder. You get the same > > experience of a giant rumbly collection of bikes but > > you don't have to stand in a parking lot for 6 hours > > to do it. You don't have to go home to use the > > bathroom because it is faster than waiting in line. > > Also, I can't think of too many folks that party > > harder than cops at National Police Week. Who's gonna > > arrest you? > > > > I had a really good time at my 4th Law Ride yesterday > > and while I know I will also have a good time at > > Rolling Thunder this year, I also know I will have to > > suffer more. > > > > Just my opinion! > > > > cheers, > > > > Patti > > > > > oh I agree 100% Patti...I was being sarcastic about RT. ;-) > > -aki > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: matthew patton > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I've also found that one's wallet size or perceived status can lead a > newbie to choose a ride entirely inappropriate to their experience and > skill level. I taught a very senior corporate officer at a large > institution at my recent MSF class. Despite the instructors' > remonstrance to the students to consider cheap and otherwise suitable > mounts to begin with, he decided to buy a 2004 BMW with all of the > trimmings. Clearly he can afford to do so, and I wish him nothing but > success. But his marginal skills during the class make we considerably > nervous as to what his future will hold. > > ===== > Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:45:50 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > At 11:30 AM 5/12/2003, you wrote: > >Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's > >"Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous > >vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing > >programs. > > And here I thought you were a libertarian. You want more government > intervention in our motorcycle lives? Promote PR campaigns that push for > the MSF courses, smaller bikes to start and a healthy dose of > easy-does-it. We don't need a law for everything. > > I don't think new riders should be on GSXR-1000s, but I don't see anything > wrong with them hopping on a Honda F4. We've had this discussion many > times before and digression is imminent. If anything size, weight and > handling are more important considerations than horsepower. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Carl Schelin > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:43:53 -0400 > > On Monday 12 May 2003 11:30, matthew patton wrote: > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > I started out on a fairly gentle beast, a CB750 Nighthawk, but now > > > that I have the VF500F, I wish I had started a bit "smaller" and > > > sportier. > > > > Not to be Paul's echo or anything but I likewise started on a 90's > > series Nighthawk 750. After owning a Suz GS500e there is absolutely no > > doubt in my mind that the GS or it's equivalent should have been my > > first ride. A newbie rider's primary enemies are excessive power on-tap > > and vehicle weight. > > > > I started off on some bike I don't remember that my Uncle let me use/gave me. > The first one I bought was a Yamaha 250. I moved up to a 360 and then a 650 > and finally the Harley. > > A couple of times I looked at sport bikes and almost bought one once but > bailed out. Riding so long holding my head up seemed like it'd be very > tiring. I understand though that the wind helps keep your head up so it's not > as tiring as it would appear. Had I known that then, or had sportbike > friends, I might have travelled a different route. > > Carl > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if > Windows Source Code is made public. > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: > To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:55:41 -0400 > > > > > > > > From: Carl Schelin > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 11:43:53 EDT > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > On Monday 12 May 2003 11:30, matthew patton wrote: > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > I started out on a fairly gentle beast, a CB750 Nighthawk, but now > > > > that I have the VF500F, I wish I had started a bit "smaller" and > > > > sportier. > > > > > > Not to be Paul's echo or anything but I likewise started on a 90's > > > series Nighthawk 750. After owning a Suz GS500e there is absolutely no > > > doubt in my mind that the GS or it's equivalent should have been my > > > first ride. A newbie rider's primary enemies are excessive power on-tap > > > and vehicle weight. > > > > > > > I started off on some bike I don't remember that my Uncle let me use/gave me. > > The first one I bought was a Yamaha 250. I moved up to a 360 and then a 650 > > and finally the Harley. > > > > A couple of times I looked at sport bikes and almost bought one once but > > bailed out. Riding so long holding my head up seemed like it'd be very > > tiring. I understand though that the wind helps keep your head up so it's not > > as tiring as it would appear. Had I known that then, or had sportbike > > friends, I might have travelled a different route. > > > > Carl > > -- > > > ..my first bike was a Honda SL90, but then again, I started when I was 10. ;-) > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:56:20 -0400 > From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" > To: > > > Out of ignorance, most new riders approach a bike purchase the way they approach a car purchase. Bigger IS better. The quality of the bike is defined by it's performance stats, # of CCs, and overall looks. Most people don't know what MSF is. > > I distinctly remember myself and my buddy thinking about what bikes we should get during one slow summer. He wanted to get the biggest harley he could affort, and I wanted to get a 600ss. I passed on litre bikes because they were more expensive :) > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: , "Troutman" > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:06:02 -0400 > > From: "Troutman" > > > At 11:30 AM 5/12/2003, you wrote: > > >Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's > > >"Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous > > >vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing > > >programs. > > > > And here I thought you were a libertarian. You want more government > > intervention in our motorcycle lives? Promote PR campaigns that push for > > the MSF courses, smaller bikes to start and a healthy dose of > > easy-does-it. We don't need a law for everything. > > > > I don't think new riders should be on GSXR-1000s, but I don't see anything > > wrong with them hopping on a Honda F4. We've had this discussion many > > times before and digression is imminent. If anything size, weight and > > handling are more important considerations than horsepower. > > Well here, for the most part, the State of Washington is an > exception, pass a rudimentary test on a small bike and you can hop on and > ride pretty much any two-wheeled gene pool remover you can afford to buy and > ensure. And that's for riders who bother with observing legal niceties like > endorsements. For a time I had to put on my best poker face whenever a MSF > student admitted during the introductions that he has "ridden for years" but > is taking the class to "get his endorsement." But, actually, no poker face > is needed anymore, since it's so common. It's not something legislators and > law enforcement takes very seriously either. I think in DC, riding w/o > endorsement carries no points and a small fine. Ditto with the helmet law. > No points. > > I guess we in the US of A (and Canada) prefer to substitute common sense for > state coercion when it comes to licensing and displacement classes, but as > we all know common sense is sometimes not very common. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fish Flowers > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Sears. > > Just finished applying for a job as a Tool ConslutantTM at my local Sears > Tool TerritoryTM. Whee. > > Does anyone know the base pay for a Tul Dood? Is there an employee > discount? (Visions of cheap shiny wrenches dancing in my head.) > > Fish. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:09:49 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Troutman > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > Troutman wrote: > > > And here I thought you were a libertarian. You want more government > > intervention in our motorcycle lives? > > Nonono, you must understand the ultra-conserv mindset. BAD government > intervention (laws) are ones that personally affect the ultra-conserv. It's > okay if the laws repress the rights of *others*. > > > Promote PR campaigns that push for > > the MSF courses, smaller bikes to start and a healthy dose of > > easy-does-it. We don't need a law for everything. > > Agreed. Education and PR works. Many laws fail to work because of poor > enforcement, and if enforced a graduated M/C law would be a PITA. How many > times a month would I be stopped on my *heavy* scoot and asked to prove I was > qualified to ride it? > > Bill > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:15:28 -0400 > From: Jeff Conlin > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: SV front wheels for sale/repair? > X-AvMilter-Key: 1052756430:887c12ede7e23d0e9fca7e32258c1f98 > X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small > X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey > > Well, the guy who lent me his spare race wheel needs it back for WERA > endurance at VIR in a week and a half. > > Are there any recommended local places that could repair my broken wheel > in the next few days, or does anyone have any good SV front wheels they'd > like to sell? > > Thanks- > -- > Jeff Conlin > Beltsville, MD > http://jeffconlin.com > '01 SV650S - "Over Easy" > '95 GPz1100 - "Cruise Missile" > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:23:57 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Paul Wilson > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Troutman > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Well here, for the most part, the State of Washington is an > > exception, pass a rudimentary test on a small bike and you can hop on and > > ride pretty much any two-wheeled gene pool remover you can afford to buy and > > ensure. And that's for riders who bother with observing legal niceties like > > endorsements. For a time I had to put on my best poker face whenever a MSF > > student admitted during the introductions that he has "ridden for years" but > > is taking the class to "get his endorsement." But, actually, no poker face > > is needed anymore, since it's so common. It's not something legislators and > > law enforcement takes very seriously either. I think in DC, riding w/o > > endorsement carries no points and a small fine. Ditto with the helmet law. > > No points. > > > > I guess we in the US of A (and Canada) prefer to substitute common sense for > > state coercion when it comes to licensing and displacement classes, but as > > we all know common sense is sometimes not very common. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > Guilty as charged. Many moons ago a screwed up while renewing my permit and > failed to carry over the M endorsement. No prob at the time, I was racing > outboard boats and not riding a scoot. But the lure of two-wheels returned and > I got a big ol' Harley scoot. Rode it home, no endorsement, rode it around a > week or so to practice for the test, rode it to the DMV and failed the test - > rode it home. Then I borrowed a Yamahar 750 V-twin and rode back to the DMV > where I passed the test - just in time. Got home to recieve a shrieky phone > call from my State Farm agent. He'd discovered I had no endorsement, a Maalox > moment for him since he'd writtena policy on me'n my bike. I scooted down to > his office to display my ink-wet permit > > But the question remains - is State Farm the only company that checks out their > drivers/riders? Are the endorsementless scofflaws also riding bareback, as in > no insurance? Are their tags even legal? > > Bill > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Rob Sharp" > To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:26:45 -0500 > X-OriginatingIP: 68.49.31.41 (rob@XXXXXX) > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-19.6 required=5.0 > tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES > version=2.53 > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) > > Unfortunetly CC's isn't always the greatest judge of proformance/power. > > A Sportster 1200CC has about 68 HP, 71 torque and about 493 lbs dry. > A Honda CBR 600CC F3 has about 80 HP, 41 torque and about 407 lbs dry. > An Aprilla RS 250CC (two stroke) has about 60 HP, 30 torque and about 308 lbs > dry. > > My honda hawk gt is 650CC and about 50 hp and 40 torque and it's plenty fast > for me right now. I am a new rider too. I can beat most non exotic sports > cars off the line (not that I try :), hey they started it!) > > As you can see CC doesn't always give a true judge of power. Do your > research and you should be just fine. > > Regards, > > Rob > > On Mon, 12 May 2003 10:08:05 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote > > It's the mentality. The Motor Company has done too good a job of > > pushing themselves without a good lower end bike to fall back to. > > Yamaha V-Stars for example. The 650 Custom is just the right bike > > for my wife who's a beginner. > > > > They have the Sportster which is a top-heavy 883 or 1200cc bike that > > some Harley folks call "half-a-harley". > > > > So fighting the stigma of either a "jap bike" or a "half-a-harley", > > they overextend themselves and get a full sized hawg. > > > > They need to take that 883 motor and put it into a Softail type > > frame. > > > > Carl > > > > On Monday 12 May 2003 09:51, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > for a perfect example of someone getting too large of a bike as a > beginner, > > > just look at the Harley crowd. Many of them shouldn't be on bikes half > > > that size. It's one of the reasons, I rarely, if ever, go on HOG group > > > rides. > > > > > > cheers, > > > -aki > > > > > > > From: "Dan Thompson" > > > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon AM 09:52:25 EDT > > > > To: "S. Russell" > > > > CC: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" > > > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > > > Not trying to attack you personally, I have just seen too much stupidity > > > > from beginning riders on too large 'cc' bikes. Fit is of course a matter > > > > of personal taste, I have seen some awfully big riders(racers) on "two > > > > smoke" 125's. :) > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > '78 FJ40 > > > > '02 FZ1 > > > > '02 XR250R > > > > CSBA #150 > > > > TLCA #13436 > > > > > > -- > > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk > > if Windows Source Code is made public. > > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl > > Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > > > -- > Rob Sharp > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Jon Strang" > To: "'DC-Cycles'" > Subject: RE: Sears. > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:27:23 -0400 > > Fish wrote: > > (Visions of cheap shiny wrenches dancing in my head.) > > > > Carburetors everywhere are quivering in anticipation. > > > > --jon > > Sorry, Fish, I just couldn't resist. > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:36:02 -0400 > From: Tom de > To: Superhawk , > "DC Cycles (E-mail)" > Subject: How many poser points are these worth... > > > > http://www.cycletires.com/ > > > SuperCool! > > Tom de '98 VTR > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:37:49 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Fish Flowers > CC: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Sears. > > Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Just finished applying for a job as a Tool ConslutantTM at my local Sears > > Tool TerritoryTM. Whee. > > > > Does anyone know the base pay for a Tul Dood? Is there an employee > > discount? (Visions of cheap shiny wrenches dancing in my head.) > > > > Fish. > > Good luck. I did that last year in an attempt to scrounge up extra X-mas > cash. Methinks I was viewed as grossly overqualified or some such. The dude > kept grilling me on my past positions with titles like General Sales Manager > and Chapter S corporate president, owner/manager of a large retail store. > Reckon I failed to convey that going for the brass ring was history, I'm into > semi-retired chill now, done with the rat race. > > I think you'd be looking at $10/hr plus. I would hope anyway. And yes, > employee discounts, fairly routine in the retail bizz. I use to sell my > employees stuff at cost, around 40% off. Sometimes I'd give them stuff if > they promised to display the finished product for a spell. And there was > always the freebies so we could educate ourselves on the workings of a new > hobby inovation. True, my store wasn't wildly profitable, but we sure had > fun! > > Bill > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:40:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fish Flowers > To: Jon Strang > Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" > Subject: RE: Sears. > > On Mon, 12 May 2003, Jon Strang wrote: > > > Carburetors everywhere are quivering in anticipation. > > Hehehe. They had better be. I was in there over the weekend eyeing this > freakin' massive 1.5" combination wrench, and idly fantasized about buying > it and then using it to club my carbs to smithereens. > > But I'm sending my carbs to Matt Patton, in exchange for the (working) > ones he's sending me, so I don't get that cathartic thrill. Alas. > > I'm thinking a nice big wrench would make a pretty good home security > device. Grippy, heavy, long, and if it breaks over some goblin's head, you > can just bring it in and get a new one. Neat! > > Fish. > cheaper'n .357 sig rounds, that's for damn sure > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Rob Sharp" > To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , > > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:44:36 -0500 > X-OriginatingIP: 68.49.31.41 (rob@XXXXXX) > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-19.6 required=5.0 > tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES > version=2.53 > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) > > I think the best way to determine overall power is weight to HP ratio. > > lets see a 600 CC CBR600F3 is 80 hp and 390 lb + 220 lb rider or > 80/610 = 0.13 hp per lb > > a 1200 CC Sports is about 68 HP and 493 lbs + 220 lb rider or > 68 / 713 = .09 HP per lb. > > A common compact car is about 140lbs and 2500 lbs. > 140/2500 = .056 HP per lb. > > I realize the Harleys are more tuned for torque, honestly I don't see why > becuase your not towing a trailer, any Harley riders care to chime in > regarding the benifits of more torque than HP?? > > Rob > > On Mon, 12 May 2003 11:56:20 -0400, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online > Services wrote > > Out of ignorance, most new riders approach a bike purchase the way > > they approach a car purchase. Bigger IS better. The quality of the > > bike is defined by it's performance stats, # of CCs, and overall > > looks. Most people don't know what MSF is. > > > > I distinctly remember myself and my buddy thinking about what bikes > > we should get during one slow summer. He wanted to get the biggest > > harley he could affort, and I wanted to get a 600ss. I passed on > > litre bikes because they were more expensive :) > > > > Witold > > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > > > > -- > Rob Sharp > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:47:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: Keith Lamond > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Almost no one (except maybe Paul and Matt) has > addressed the original question, as to what are some > good sub 600 bikes that can be had for around > $1500.00, and would also be good for someone who is > 6.3. > > Unfortunately, I can't give any advice on the height > issue. You'll just have to sit on many bikes and see > how you feel. That said, some bikes you might be able > to find in your price range include: > > Suzuki GS500e (standard/sport) > Kawasaki Ninja 500 (sport) > Kawasaki Vulcan 500 (cruiser) > Yamaha Virago 535 (cruiser) > Honda VFR 500 > Honda Magna 500 (made in 84-85) > > Becuase of the low number of < 600 displacement bikes > in the US, you may also want to look at some bikes in > the 600 range that are known for having tame engines. > > The Yamaha Seca II and Suzuki Bandit 600 both fit this > description. > > Good luck on your hunt. We may run into each other > some time as I live in Reston near Lake Anne, and ride > a red Suzuki SV650. Let me know what you get, and > I'll keep an I out for you. > > Keith > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:49:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: matthew patton > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > --- Troutman wrote: > > At 11:30 AM 5/12/2003, you wrote: > > >Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's > > >"Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous > > >vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing > > >programs. > > > > And here I thought you were a libertarian. > > heh, yes I am. No, I would rather the gov't not have to play a role but > driving IS a regulated activity (abismally regulated in the US purhaps) > and if every other country's citizens can apparently deal with such a > program, then clearly it can be accomplished. It's not like we're > charting new ground. More than a dozen major western civilizations have > effective programs and none of them include random road-side checks > that I am aware of. > > > easy-does-it. We don't need a law for everything. > > But as Bill is quick to point out, the state of VA has seen fit to > define acceptable behavior in one's bedroom. I'm still awaiting reports > of state-sponsored installation of monitoring equipment during change > of ownership as a means of enforcement... > > > times before and digression is imminent. If anything size, weight > > and handling are more important considerations than horsepower. > > Then I would suggest that the DoT require manufacturers to implement a > foolproof means of restricting the output of hyperbikes to say 55HP and > to limit the derestriction of same to only authorized outlets. The UK > is the most sport-bike crazy country in the entire world and yet their > system manages to operate reasonably well. Those who are bent on > dodging the law will of course, always find a way to do so. Businesses > are already a regulated entity. If you make it illegal for them to sell > a vehicle to any unauthorized person as well instruct the DMV's to > refuse title, and the insurance companies to refuse cover you've got > most of the bases covered. Heck, if someone got creative they might > even write the regs such that the successful completion of an ERC would > trim 6 months from the rider's restricted status. That would not only > encourage the pursuit of training, it would even result in better > trained riders. This country is the most rich and supposedly > technologically advanced one in the world. Yet our information systems > operate like some 3rd world backwater. > > ===== > Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-Email: [charlieozark@XXXXXX] > From: "Charlie Ozark" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: DC rider road test > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:49:46 -0400 > > hello all. thanks to everyone on the board who gave me advice about dealing > with the DC DMV earlier this year (march-ish). My bike has been insured, > inspected, registered, titled etc without having to doubleback during the > process. however i have one final obstacle, the DC rider road test - does > anyone know what it consists of? I took and passed MSF in NoVA in April and > have been practicing off and on but have no idea what types of tests to > expect. In the course i was graded on: > > figure 8 in 20x40 box, emergency swerve and brake, 2nd gear curve and > possibly something else I can't remember right now. i've experimented some > with recreating the class tests but am hoping for more input. > > i want to get this right becuase the wait list for the road test is two > months long -- and i can't wait to get out of the city. > > thanks for the advice (DC specific or otherwise) > > -Charlie > 99 SV650 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:51:15 -0400 > From: Dave Yates > Subject: RE: Sears. > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Fish clued us in - > > >> Carburetors everywhere are quivering in anticipation. > > > >Hehehe. They had better be. I was in there over the weekend > >eyeing this freakin' massive 1.5" combination wrench, and > >idly fantasized about buying it and then using it to club my > >carbs to smithereens. > > [Dave] Hmm... This has potential Fish... ... > lifetime DC Cycles Craftsman tool discount.... > > >I'm thinking a nice big wrench would make a pretty good home > >security device. Grippy, heavy, long, and if it breaks over > >some goblin's head, you can just bring it in and get a new > >one. Neat! > > > >Fish. > >cheaper'n .357 sig rounds, that's for damn sure > > [Dave] Wow. That's a heckuva cheap wrench... Even the > premium rounds are only about $0.20 / round... :-) > > Dave Yates > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:56:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: matthew patton > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > as to bikes - SecaII's (a couple locally available), GS450/500's, > EX250/500's, various light/middleweight cruisers even Victory has a > nice one, CB650's or your 80's vintage UJM or similar. I have a more > complete but definately not exhuastive list that I hand out to each MSF > student at the completion of the course. Basically with a pricepoint of > roughly $2k and a max HP figure of 60HP it wheedles the selection down > a bit. Then it becomes a matter of finding a bike with workable ergo's. > I know of quite a few tall (and heavy) guys who ride GS500's. > > --- Troutman wrote: > > At 11:30 AM 5/12/2003, you wrote: > > >Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's > > >"Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous > > >vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing > > >programs. > > > > And here I thought you were a libertarian. > > heh, yes I am. No, I would rather the gov't not have to play a role but > driving IS a regulated activity (abismally regulated in the US purhaps) > and if every other country's citizens can apparently deal with such a > program, then clearly it can be accomplished. It's not like we're > charting new ground. More than a dozen major western civilizations have > effective programs and none of them include random road-side checks > that I am aware of. So let's not invent boogy-men out of thin air. > > > easy-does-it. We don't need a law for everything. > > But as Bill is quick to point out, the state of VA has seen fit to > define acceptable behavior in one's bedroom. I'm still awaiting reports > of state-sponsored installation of monitoring equipment during change > of ownership as a means of enforcement... > > > times before and digression is imminent. If anything size, weight > > and handling are more important considerations than horsepower. > > Then I would suggest that the DoT require manufacturers to implement a > foolproof means of restricting the output of hyperbikes to say 55HP and > to limit the derestriction of same to only authorized outlets. The UK > is the most sport-bike crazy country in the entire world and yet their > system manages to operate reasonably well. Those who are bent on > dodging the law will of course, always find a way to do so. Businesses > are already a regulated entity. If you make it illegal for them to sell > a vehicle to any unauthorized person as well instruct the DMV's to > refuse title, and the insurance companies to refuse cover you've got > most of the bases covered. Heck, if someone got creative they might > even write the regs such that the successful completion of an ERC would > trim 6 months from the rider's restricted status. That would not only > encourage the pursuit of training, it would even result in better > trained riders. > > This country is the most rich and supposedly technologically advanced > one in the world. Yet our information systems operate like some 3rd > world backwater. > > ===== > Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:58:28 -0400 > From: "Chris Norloff" > Reply-To: > To: > Subject: Re: How many poser points are these worth... > > Cool! I don't know about posers, but I've always wondered why colored tires never caught on. Black ones are colored black, why not try other colors - you want gangster whitewalls? How about all white! > > Fun. > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Tom de > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:36:02 -0400 > > > > > > >http://www.cycletires.com/ > > > > > >SuperCool! > > > >Tom de '98 VTR > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: matthew patton > Subject: RE: Sears. > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > you forgot to factor in the gun license (in MD no less) as well the > cost of the shell invigorator (ie gun). Not to mention clubbing > somebody over the head does not entail the same legal morass that > shooting someone (in even the most clear-cut case of self-defense) > entails. Plus, you gotta figure a few rounds to make sure at least one > of them hit the perp especially if you didn't budget for regular target practice. > > ===== > Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:04:52 -0400 > From: Tom de > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: (was: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course) Now torque, > torque, torque > > Rob Sharp wrote: > > >I realize the Harleys are more tuned for torque, honestly I don't see why > >becuase your not towing a trailer, any Harley riders care to chime in > >regarding the benifits of more torque than HP?? > > > I don't ride a Harley, but I ride a v-twin. You probably know HP is a > combo of torque and RPM. To some racers (I forget names) it's torque to > weight that matters most. > Torque is the master of HP. Because of many properties of a v-twin > the usable torque is availble sooner, so then is the power. A v-twin's > power (torque) is also better distributed through out the RPM range. > This allows the rider not to have to wind the motor to the peak of its > RPM range and keep it there in order to use the power. > > During last weeks 600cc race, watching the R6s beat (spank) Honda's new > "more HP" 600rr, I heard the commentator mention the R6's have a better > mid-range and can use the torque better then the 600rr. > I've heard reports that Yamaha's M1 GP bike HP was brought down in favor > for torque, so that during slides the power would be usable during/after > wheel spin. > > IMHO, torque is the street riders friend, good power when you need it, > and you don't have to run WFO to get it. > > V-twins rule, > > Tom de '98 VTR - dreaming of the Aprilla Tuono > > > > >Rob > > > >On Mon, 12 May 2003 11:56:20 -0400, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online > >Services wrote > > > > > >>Out of ignorance, most new riders approach a bike purchase the way > >>they approach a car purchase. Bigger IS better. The quality of the > >>bike is defined by it's performance stats, # of CCs, and overall > >>looks. Most people don't know what MSF is. > >> > >>I distinctly remember myself and my buddy thinking about what bikes > >>we should get during one slow summer. He wanted to get the biggest > >>harley he could affort, and I wanted to get a 600ss. I passed on > >>litre bikes because they were more expensive :) > >> > >>Witold > >>www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > >> > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >Rob Sharp > >CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > >Network Security Engineer > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-Email: [perrycoleman@XXXXXX] > From: "Perry Coleman" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:05:55 -0400 > > Well,I'm not a Harley rider, but my impression is that torque is something > you "feel" especially in the seat of the pants. Torque is more interesting > when dealing with typical "street legal" kind of speeds. HP becomes more > interesting when you want to go real fast. Unfortunately, unless you're on a > racetrack, you're kind of limited to how fast you can (safely) go. However, > how quickly you get from zero to whatever speed you can safely go, is what > torque gets you. > > As an example, my Concours is a 16-valve, 1000cc inline four, with a redline > in the low 5-digit range. You'd think it would be tuned for high-end HP. I > test rode a Ducati ST2 with a 4-valve, 900cc v-twin expecting a real torque > monster. I was wrong. My Concours would outpull that Duck until about 100 > mph and then it was all over. Once the Duck got some RPM's the HP kicked in > and it ran great. However, trying to find a gear to go with the road speed > at anything less than about 6K RPM was a PITA. I can lug the Concours down > to about 2K, or run it up to about 8K and have plenty of torque. Admittedly, > this is all very unscientific, but it works for me. I kept the Concours and > passed on the Duck. (I don't have that kind of panache, anyway...) ;^) > > Perry > > >From: "Rob Sharp" > > > >I realize the Harleys are more tuned for torque, honestly I don't see why > >becuase your not towing a trailer, any Harley riders care to chime in > >regarding the benifits of more torque than HP?? > > > >Rob > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:06:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fish Flowers > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: Sears. > > On Mon, 12 May 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > > > Hmm... This has potential Fish... ... lifetime DC Cycles > > Craftsman tool discount.... > > Yeah, I was thinking about that too... one reason why I'm curious about > the discount. ("I violate the terms of my employee discount, and pass the > savings on to you!") > > > Wow. That's a heckuva cheap wrench... Even the premium rounds are only > > about $0.20 / round... :-) > > Well, yeah, but you have to _practice_, right? If you go through a couple > of boxes a session and you're practicing once or twice a month, then > you're quickly into the not-small-change-anymore territory. > > Practicing with a bigass wrench is cheap. Hold wrench. Hit carbs. Repeat. > Broken wrench? Get a new one! > > Plus, even the polymer-frame SiGs and Springfields are really freaking > expensive. > > Fish. > but fun > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:07:27 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > At 12:56 PM 5/12/2003, matthew patton wrote: > >as to bikes - SecaII's (a couple locally available), GS450/500's, > >EX250/500's, various light/middleweight cruisers even Victory has a > >nice one, CB650's or your 80's vintage UJM or similar. I have a more > >complete but definately not exhuastive list that I hand out to each MSF > >student at the completion of the course. Basically with a pricepoint of > >roughly $2k and a max HP figure of 60HP it wheedles the selection down > >a bit. Then it becomes a matter of finding a bike with workable ergo's. > >I know of quite a few tall (and heavy) guys who ride GS500's. > > I am 6'1" and 210lbs. I rode L.Granato's GS500, and found it to be tiny > and underpowered. This was before L.G. had it tuned and transformed of > course. I would never recommend one for someone 6' or over. I do think it > is a great all around bike though. > > My first real bike was the '91 CB750 I found advertised on this very > list. I had two mostly dirt bikes growing up, riding one on the street for > a short period - '79 Yamaha DT125 P.O.S. I still think the Nighthawk was a > great learning bike - easy to steer, gentle power, sufficient power. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Isaac Blanck > Subject: Re: DC rider road test > To: Charlie Ozark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I took the DC road test in late 2001. Back then, the > only place to take it was at a temporary DMV trailer > on the same road as the postal facility that was > closed due to anthrax (Brentwood?); the road test was > stunningly brief: a figure 8 on a side street between > the 2 curbs (widthwise) and 2 telephone poles > (lengthwise); i don't remember the dimensions, but it > was much bigger than the MSF box; i remember seeing > the distance I had and being relieved that the figure > 8 was going to be that easy; after I did that, I was > waiting for the next drill, and he told me that I'd > passed; there was nothing else; couldn't believe it; > it could be that he watched my ride from the parking > lot to the side street, and perhaps that constituted > part of the test; I had to make a couple of turns, so > I guess he could have made sure I used my turn signal > and didn't run a stop sign; anyway, if it still the > same thing, you will pass easily; jib > > > --- Charlie Ozark wrote: > > hello all. thanks to everyone on the board who gave > > me advice about dealing > > with the DC DMV earlier this year (march-ish). My > > bike has been insured, > > inspected, registered, titled etc without having to > > doubleback during the > > process. however i have one final obstacle, the DC > > rider road test - does > > anyone know what it consists of? I took and passed > > MSF in NoVA in April and > > have been practicing off and on but have no idea > > what types of tests to > > expect. In the course i was graded on: > > > > figure 8 in 20x40 box, emergency swerve and brake, > > 2nd gear curve and > > possibly something else I can't remember right now. > > i've experimented some > > with recreating the class tests but am hoping for > > more input. > > > > i want to get this right becuase the wait list for > > the road test is two > > months long -- and i can't wait to get out of the > > city. > > > > thanks for the advice (DC specific or otherwise) > > > > -Charlie > > 99 SV650 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months > > FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Charlie Ozark" , > Subject: Re: DC rider road test > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:00 -0400 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie Ozark" > > > > hello all. thanks to everyone on the board who gave me advice about > dealing > > with the DC DMV earlier this year (march-ish). My bike has been insured, > > inspected, registered, titled etc without having to doubleback during the > > process. however i have one final obstacle, the DC rider road test - does > > anyone know what it consists of? I took and passed MSF in NoVA in April > and > > have been practicing off and on but have no idea what types of tests to > > expect. In the course i was graded on: > > > > figure 8 in 20x40 box, emergency swerve and brake, 2nd gear curve and > > possibly something else I can't remember right now. i've experimented some > > with recreating the class tests but am hoping for more input. > > > > i want to get this right becuase the wait list for the road test is two > > months long -- and i can't wait to get out of the city. > > > > thanks for the advice (DC specific or otherwise) > > > > -Charlie > > 99 SV650 > > > Charlie, > > As far as my addled brain can recall, by DC "road" test (taken in 1999) > consisted of the following. > > A sweeping turn in second gear. > Quick stop using both brakes. > Tool around the parking lot to a stop sign. Stop (duh). Put on your > blinker and execute a sharp left hand turn. Cancel blinker. > A figure eight in a space about 24' wide. This would be the same space > requirement as that used in the MSF evaluation, although it was a true > figure-eight, not two U-turns. > > BTW, the examiner gave every indication of having made up the test on the > spot. The location was the former DMV Brentwood Rd. facility, which is now > under about 20' of fill with a Giant supermarket on top. I can't give you > much guidance as to how to practice, not having seen the new setup that they > use. Pity there's no reciprocity agreement with adjoining states to cut > through this utterly worthless bureaucratic hoop for MSF card holders. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:56:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brian Ray > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Here's a possible starter bike, especially for the > tall. Don't know if it fits your riding style, but > who knows. From the DSN_KLR650 list.... > > '96 KLR 650 for sale in Northern Virginia area. > Progressive springs, new battery last fall, new Duro > tire last fall. Acerbis lever guards, stainless steel > fasteners upgrade. Braided front lines. Extra 14t > sprocket for offroading. Runs excellent. Asking > $1950. Title in hand and pictures available upon > request. Serious enquiries send email to > twinflames_tnt@XXXXXX. > > p.s. Also have lowering kit available(Quality engine > 1.5 inch dogbones and shortened sidestand) in addition > to dipped Corbin saddle if a shorter rider would be > interested in converting this bike for a lower saddle > height. > > Thanks, > Todd > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:19:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: How many poser points are these worth... > To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > colored re-treads? fun? huh, maybe you're right. human > lawn darts might be fun (but only as a spectator). > > > > --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > Cool! I don't know about posers, but I've always > > wondered why colored tires never caught on. Black ones > > are colored black, why not try other colors - you want > > gangster whitewalls? How about all white! > > > > Fun. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > ---------- Original Message > > ---------------------------------- > > From: Tom de > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:36:02 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.cycletires.com/ > > > > > > > > >SuperCool! > > > > > >Tom de '98 VTR > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:22:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > perry: > you picked the wrong duc (for both torque and panache) > > > > --- Perry Coleman wrote: > > Well,I'm not a Harley rider, but my impression is that > > torque is something > > you "feel" especially in the seat of the pants. Torque is > > more interesting > > when dealing with typical "street legal" kind of speeds. > > HP becomes more > > interesting when you want to go real fast. Unfortunately, > > unless you're on a > > racetrack, you're kind of limited to how fast you can > > (safely) go. However, > > how quickly you get from zero to whatever speed you can > > safely go, is what > > torque gets you. > > > > As an example, my Concours is a 16-valve, 1000cc inline > > four, with a redline > > in the low 5-digit range. You'd think it would be tuned > > for high-end HP. I > > test rode a Ducati ST2 with a 4-valve, 900cc v-twin > > expecting a real torque > > monster. I was wrong. My Concours would outpull that Duck > > until about 100 > > mph and then it was all over. Once the Duck got some > > RPM's the HP kicked in > > and it ran great. However, trying to find a gear to go > > with the road speed > > at anything less than about 6K RPM was a PITA. I can lug > > the Concours down > > to about 2K, or run it up to about 8K and have plenty of > > torque. Admittedly, > > this is all very unscientific, but it works for me. I > > kept the Concours and > > passed on the Duck. (I don't have that kind of panache, > > anyway...) ;^) > > > > Perry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: How many poser points are these worth... > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:24:36 -0400 > > > > > > From: Tom Gimer > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon PM 02:19:48 EDT > > To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: How many poser points are these worth... > > > > colored re-treads? fun? huh, maybe you're right. human > > lawn darts might be fun (but only as a spectator). > > > > > bah..I'm holding out until they make a matching seat and footpegs. > > I think it would be pretty cool if they could imprint pictures into the tread. Like maybe a flattened squirrel or cagers head or something. 8-P > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Jon Strang" > To: "DC Cycles" > Subject: HP vs. Torque. > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:33:48 -0400 > > The discussions today re: torque vs. horsepower are complete and udder > bullshiat.....moo! > > Reality: > Horsepower = Torque * RPM > ...with appropriate conversion factors for units which work out to about > 5250. So, at about 5250 rpm, torque and HP are the same number (e.g. 50 > ft-lbs of torque at 5250 rpm is 50 horsepower). > > When someone says a motor is "torquey" or "has a lot of torque" what > they really mean to say is that the motor puts out a bunch of torque at > low rpms, and maintains that torque over a wide range of rpm. In other > words, a big, flat torque curve that goes from, say, 2k to 6k. > > The opposite would be a peaky motor (think of a non-power-valved > motocrosser from 25 years ago). It has a tiny little band of rpms, say > between 9.5k and 11k, where all the power (and torque!) is made. > > It's one of those engineering tradeoffs. For a given displacement, do > you want the maximum peak horsepower (move the torque up the rpm range > and narrow the powerband) or do you want a broad powerband (move the > torque curve to the left and broaden it out) at the expense of peak HP? > > But the bottom line is that at any given RPM, what you "feel" is torque > and HP, since they are proportional at any given RPM. > > --jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 1:06 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > Well,I'm not a Harley rider, but my impression is that torque is > something > you "feel" especially in the seat of the pants. Torque is more > interesting > when dealing with typical "street legal" kind of speeds. HP becomes more > > interesting when you want to go real fast. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:37:08 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Rob Sharp > CC: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > Rob Sharp wrote: > > > I realize the Harleys are more tuned for torque, honestly I don't see why > > becuase your not towing a trailer, any Harley riders care to chime in > > regarding the benifits of more torque than HP?? > > > > Rob > > Why yes! Torque is tractor-ville. One can flip over the fishtail exhaust > tip thingers so the tails drag the ground and use your Harley to plow furrows > in the north forty! And you can bungee a 5 gallon bucket on the back, punch > a couple holes in the bottom, fill it fulla seed and the Harley vibes shake > the seeds out into the newly plowed furrows. Kick ass! > > On a more serious note *giggle*, zooping up from say 45 to passing speed with > my torqueless 550cc UJM required bumping down from 6th to 3rd to get the Revs > up. To do the same on my Hawg I just turn the wick up and she goes. > > Bill > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-Email: [perrycoleman@XXXXXX] > From: "Perry Coleman" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:38:04 -0400 > > Yeah, that was a few years ago. They've come a long way since then, like > with the ST4. > > However, I still see the Concours as the kind of girl you marry versus the > Ducati being more like the passionate mistress... ;^) > > And I've been married for a long time...with no mistress - passionate, or > otherwise! > > Perry > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > >Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:22:02 -0700 (PDT) > > > >perry: > >you picked the wrong duc (for both torque and panache) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Gary Foreman" > To: "DC-Cycles" > Subject: Took me a while but.... > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:50:58 -0400 > > Here are some photos from Summit Point's last two races: > > http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/race_index.htm > > Gary > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Keith Lamond" , > Subject: In hot pursuit of the elusive VFR500, was Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:07:38 -0400 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Lamond" > > That said, some bikes you might be able > > to find in your price range include: > > > > Suzuki GS500e (standard/sport) > > Kawasaki Ninja 500 (sport) > > Kawasaki Vulcan 500 (cruiser) > > Yamaha Virago 535 (cruiser) > > Honda VFR 500 > > Honda Magna 500 (made in 84-85) > > > A VFR500? A bike I would *love* to own, but only in my dreams, > and yours too apparently. ;-) No such critter. There is a > VFR400, unfortunately a gray market import on these shores, like so many, > and probably not eligible for "newbie" bike ownership due to its rarity and > "collector's item" price tag. > > There is, of course, a VF500, which came in two flavors, the "F" Interceptor > and the "C" Magna. To my knowledge those were the Honda V4s ever offered at > that displacement (498 cc) and never carried an "R" designation. Good clean > ones can be had in the neighborhood of $1200. Not so clean ones, with > "issues" like mine, for around $600-800. Aftermarket and OEM parts support > starts to wane for such old bikes, which could be a headache for a newbie > who would rather ride than futz with things and troll eBay. And the now > oddball wheel sizes limit tire choices. > > FWIW, in the earlier years, the "VFR" designation denoted a street race rep. > versions of the full bodywork V-4 racing bikes. A practice dropped with the > 1990 VFR750F (RC-36) which bore little resemblance to a race bike as the VFR > line made the transition to sport-tourer. > > More than you ever wanted to know about Honda V-4s and their model > designations here. > > http://www.vsource.org/VFR-RVF_files/VFR-RVFBlindset.htm > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Perry Coleman" , > "dc-cycles list" > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:14:27 -0400 > > I think if I compared my wife to a Connie I'd be sleeping on the couch for a > month. ;-) > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Perry Coleman" > > > > However, I still see the Concours as the kind of girl you marry versus the > > Ducati being more like the passionate mistress... ;^) > > > > And I've been married for a long time...with no mistress - passionate, or > > otherwise! > > > > Perry > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:20:56 -0400 > Subject: Re: DC rider road test > To: "Charlie Ozark" > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: "garcia oliver" > > Their trick was to have a stop sign set back about 20 feet from the test > intersection. If you didn't stop at the sign (for no other reason than it > was there) and again at the intersection, you failed---unless the examiner > was in a good mood. Arbitrary, capricious, and stupid. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:18:34 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Paul Wilson > CC: Perry Coleman , > dc-cycles list > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > I think if I compared my wife to a Connie I'd be sleeping on the couch for a > > month. ;-) > > Heh. If I compared my wife to a Connie she'd want to know who in hell "Connie" > is and I'd be sleeping in the ER under heavy pain medication. > > Bill > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:40:21 -0400 (EDT) > From: Wayne Edelen > To: > Subject: Re: SV front wheels for sale/repair? > > On Mon, 12 May 2003, Jeff Conlin wrote: > > > Are there any recommended local places that could repair my broken wheel > > in the next few days, or does anyone have any good SV front wheels they'd > > like to sell? > > I don't know if they do MC wheels, but Ye Olde Wheel Shoppe in MD has > repaired many car wheels for me and my friends. I don't see why they > wouldn't do 2 wheelers. > > Contact information: > 6363 Washington Blvd > Elkridge, MD 21075-5348 > Phone: 800-526-8260 > Phone(alternate): 410-796-8400 > > Directions: > >From the DC Beltway: > > - 95N to exit 43a - route 100E > - 100E to exit 6b - route 1N (2nd exit after you get on 100) > - 1N for 2-3 miles, road "Ys", bear right > - 2nd building on the left > > Hope that helps! > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:42:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Weaver > Subject: Re: SV front wheels for sale/repair? > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > There are "Wanted" and "For Sale" sections of > SVRider.com's Message Board. I would check and post > there to see if anyone has a wheel for sale. Also, > eBay.com seems to show them fairly frequently. The > WERA BBS might also be a source for a new wheel if you > decide to go that way. www.wera.com I think. > > Chris > > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Mon, 12 May 2003, Jeff Conlin wrote: > > > > > Are there any recommended local places that could > > repair my broken wheel > > > in the next few days, or does anyone have any good > > SV front wheels they'd > > > like to sell? > > > > I don't know if they do MC wheels, but Ye Olde Wheel > > Shoppe in MD has > > repaired many car wheels for me and my friends. I > > don't see why they > > wouldn't do 2 wheelers. > > > > Contact information: > > 6363 Washington Blvd > > Elkridge, MD 21075-5348 > > Phone: 800-526-8260 > > Phone(alternate): 410-796-8400 > > > > Directions: > > From the DC Beltway: > > > > - 95N to exit 43a - route 100E > > - 100E to exit 6b - route 1N (2nd exit after you get > > on 100) > > - 1N for 2-3 miles, road "Ys", bear right > > - 2nd building on the left > > > > Hope that helps! > > > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:24:05 -0400 > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > To: charlieozark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC rider road test > > I thought if you took and passed the MSF in either Virginia or Maryland you could skip the riding test in DC? Maybe I'm wrong. Comments from the peanut gallery? > > Scooter > > In a message dated 5/12/2003 11:49:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, charlieozark@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > hello all. thanks to everyone on the board who gave me advice about dealing > > with the DC DMV earlier this year (march-ish). My bike has been insured, > > inspected, registered, titled etc without having to doubleback during the > > process. however i have one final obstacle, the DC rider road test - does > > anyone know what it consists of? I took and passed MSF in NoVA in April and > > have been practicing off and on but have no idea what types of tests to > > expect. In the course i was graded on: > > > > figure 8 in 20x40 box, emergency swerve and brake, 2nd gear curve and > > possibly something else I can't remember right now. i've experimented some > > with recreating the class tests but am hoping for more input. > > > > i want to get this right becuase the wait list for the road test is two > > months long -- and i can't wait to get out of the city. > > > > thanks for the advice (DC specific or otherwise) > > > > -Charlie > > 99 SV650 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > _____ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:30:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Isaac Blanck > Subject: Re: DC rider road test > To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, charlieozark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > i wish it were so, but that's not the way it was in > fall 2001; jib > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I thought if you took and passed the MSF in either > > Virginia or Maryland you could skip the riding test > > in DC? Maybe I'm wrong. Comments from the peanut > > gallery? > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2003 11:49:46 AM Eastern > > Standard Time, charlieozark@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > hello all. thanks to everyone on the board who > > gave me advice about dealing > > > with the DC DMV earlier this year (march-ish). My > > bike has been insured, > > > inspected, registered, titled etc without having > > to doubleback during the > > > process. however i have one final obstacle, the > > DC rider road test - does > > > anyone know what it consists of? I took and > > passed MSF in NoVA in April and > > > have been practicing off and on but have no idea > > what types of tests to > > > expect. In the course i was graded on: > > > > > > figure 8 in 20x40 box, emergency swerve and brake, > > 2nd gear curve and > > > possibly something else I can't remember right > > now. i've experimented some > > > with recreating the class tests but am hoping for > > more input. > > > > > > i want to get this right becuase the wait list for > > the road test is two > > > months long -- and i can't wait to get out of the > > city. > > > > > > thanks for the advice (DC specific or otherwise) > > > > > > -Charlie > > > 99 SV650 > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > _____ > > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months > > FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: , , > > Subject: Re: DC rider road test > Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:31:43 -0400 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > > > I thought if you took and passed the MSF in either Virginia or Maryland > you could skip the riding test in DC? Maybe I'm wrong. Comments from the > peanut gallery? > > > In a word: no. :) Longer response: there is a bill filed in the DC > Council to grant endorsements of a temporary kind to DCers who have had the > MSF course but do not presently own a motorcycle and can't take a road test. > So far the bill has gone nowhere. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 22:12:39 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:10:18 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Jeff Conlin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My new SVS... X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [141.157.90.160] at Mon, 12 May 2003 21:12:25 -0500 Jeff Conlin wrote: > WV16 chewed me up and spit me out... literally. > > http://jeffconlin.com/eyes/0305%20-%20sme79/index.htm > > Thanks to SabMag, the bike had a new front wheel (with DOT race tire) in > record time, and I've got a lawyer (at the urging of both the local > sheriff and fire dept.) > > All told, though, it was a great weekend (US50/VA7 home today in the > breeze), and I can't say enough about how great that little bike is. > -- > Jeff Conlin > Beltsville, MD > http://jeffconlin.com > '01 SV650S - "Over Easy" > '95 GPz1100 - "Cruise Missile" Jeff, Was that a ticket I saw in your hand? What did the LEO get you for? Trying to fill a pot hole while moving? Man, that sucks. Glad your O.K. and the SVs is back on the road. Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director The Suzuki Owners Club -USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 22:45:30 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:43:09 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.157.90.160] at Mon, 12 May 2003 21:45:16 -0500 matthew patton wrote: Every country in this globe of ours except the USA with it's > "Constitutionally protected right" to own and operate any rediculous > vehicle regardless of motorist skill or age has graduated licensing > programs. Where the requirement to own a modest vehicle is a legal > requirement, the suppliers will step in. IMO the AMA, MSF, every > insurance company, and the state licensing bodies should be waging an > all out effort to bring mandated graduated licensing to this country. > The Europeans don't always get things right but this one, they have > done correctly. Matthew, This is so true. But we won't see it here in the U.S. The insurance companies are making a fortune on the inexperienced riders with their premiums. They'll never want to have fully educated riders out there. That might cause them to loose a percentage point or two in their profit margin. Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director The Suzuki Owners Club -USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 22:54:17 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:53:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > Matthew, > This is so true. But we won't see it here in the U.S. The insurance companies are making a fortune on the inexperienced riders with their premiums. They'll never want to have fully educated riders out there. That might > cause them to loose a percentage point or two in their profit margin. Lemme see, newbie rider insures bike, goes splat, causes a loss... Do tell, how does an insurance company amass huge profits when their customer base of squirrilly riders are pasting themselves all over the landscape? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 23:26:47 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:20:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course From: Stephen Miller To: on 5/12/03 10:53 PM, William J. Huson at bhuson@XXXXXX wrote: > > Lemme see, newbie rider insures bike, goes splat, causes a loss... Do tell, > how does an insurance company amass huge profits when their customer base of > squirrilly riders are pasting themselves all over the landscape? > > Bill > Simple math. The kid makes a $500 down-payment on the insurance policy, and his first weekend on 211 he totals it, and they pay FMV, say $7500 minus a $250 deductible. They just made -$6750. They're making money hand over fist in absolute values! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 12 23:35:36 2003 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:33:19 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: "William J. Huson" CC: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.157.90.160] at Mon, 12 May 2003 22:35:26 -0500 "William J. Huson" wrote: > "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > > > Matthew, > > This is so true. But we won't see it here in the U.S. The insurance companies are making a fortune on the inexperienced riders with their premiums. They'll never want to have fully educated riders out there. That might > > cause them to loose a percentage point or two in their profit margin. > > Lemme see, newbie rider insures bike, goes splat, causes a loss... Do tell, how does an insurance company amass huge profits when their customer base of squirrilly riders are pasting themselves all over the landscape? > > Bill Bill, The insurance companies raise the rates for the bikes most crashed. We are all paying for the newbie rider going splat with our premiums. Since when, has an insurance company seen red in their books? Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 00:45:26 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 00:45:20 -0400 From: Jeff Conlin To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My new SVS... X-AvMilter-Key: 1052801422:25b49fdae8c0ce8d27a03ffc50abea66 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey No, no ticket, thank goodness. The deputy was actually very helpful. That piece of paper just had the deputy's info on it in case I needed a copy of the accident report for a suit against the state. We'll see how that all goes... I'm not trying the pain and suffering bull***... 'course, thanks to good gear all around, I'm fine. I just think they should fix the bike and replace my gear. -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 07:45:12 2003 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My new SVS... Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:44:43 -0400 ..and maybe fix the road, too eh?! Rob '98 VFR800 From: Jeff Conlin To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My new SVS... Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 00:45:20 -0400 No, no ticket, thank goodness. The deputy was actually very helpful. That piece of paper just had the deputy's info on it in case I needed a copy of the accident report for a suit against the state. We'll see how that all goes... I'm not trying the pain and suffering bull***... 'course, thanks to good gear all around, I'm fine. I just think they should fix the bike and replace my gear. -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 07:49:36 2003 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 7:49:23 -0400 > > From: Stephen Miller > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon PM 11:20:30 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > on 5/12/03 10:53 PM, William J. Huson at bhuson@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Lemme see, newbie rider insures bike, goes splat, causes a loss... Do tell, > > how does an insurance company amass huge profits when their customer base of > > squirrilly riders are pasting themselves all over the landscape? > > > > Bill > > > > Simple math. The kid makes a $500 down-payment on the insurance policy, and > his first weekend on 211 he totals it, and they pay FMV, say $7500 minus a > $250 deductible. They just made -$6750. They're making money hand over > fist in absolute values! huh? How did the ins co make $6750? They didn't sell the bike to the kid, the kid paid them $500 and they paid out $6,750. The "new" math tells me, they just *lost* $6,750. Even if they can dump the bike as salvage, they'll be lucky to make out $2K in the hole. That "hole" is what WE as insureds end up paying for. Insurance companies are in the business to MAKE money, not give it all away. It's perfectly ok with me for them to do that for a service I get in return if I should get my bike totalled, stolen or damaged. Don't bash the insurance companies, bash the idiots that race down the road and total their bikes or those that commit insurance fraud. They're the ones that make us pay more each month for insurance. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 07:58:51 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance (was Just graduated) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:58:31 -0400 In '99 at age 23 w/ one not at fault accident I was quoted $5k a yr by Progressive for a Honda CBR600 F4. The bike cost $8k. Granted I shouldn't nor did I start on that bike. When I was in college I had 3 speeding tickets in 3 years they tripled my insurance. What did they have to pay out for my speeding tickets, nothing. F em. >From: >To: >Subject: Re: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course >Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 7:49:23 -0400 > > > > > > From: Stephen Miller > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon PM 11:20:30 EDT > > To: > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > on 5/12/03 10:53 PM, William J. Huson at bhuson@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > Lemme see, newbie rider insures bike, goes splat, causes a loss... Do >tell, > > > how does an insurance company amass huge profits when their customer >base of > > > squirrilly riders are pasting themselves all over the landscape? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > Simple math. The kid makes a $500 down-payment on the insurance policy, >and > > his first weekend on 211 he totals it, and they pay FMV, say $7500 minus >a > > $250 deductible. They just made -$6750. They're making money hand over > > fist in absolute values! > >huh? How did the ins co make $6750? They didn't sell the bike to the kid, >the kid paid them $500 and they paid out $6,750. The "new" math tells me, >they just *lost* $6,750. Even if they can dump the bike as salvage, >they'll be lucky to make out $2K in the hole. > >That "hole" is what WE as insureds end up paying for. > >Insurance companies are in the business to MAKE money, not give it all >away. It's perfectly ok with me for them to do that for a service I get in >return if I should get my bike totalled, stolen or damaged. Don't bash the >insurance companies, bash the idiots that race down the road and total >their bikes or those that commit insurance fraud. They're the ones that >make us pay more each month for insurance. > > >-aki > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 08:01:01 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insuracne (Was: Just graduated) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:00:51 -0400 And after they tripled my insurance when I said I was switching companies they threatened to drop my parents since I was living at home, yet away in college. Nationwide btw, hate em. >From: >To: >Subject: Re: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course >Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 7:49:23 -0400 > > > > > > From: Stephen Miller > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon PM 11:20:30 EDT > > To: > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > on 5/12/03 10:53 PM, William J. Huson at bhuson@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > Lemme see, newbie rider insures bike, goes splat, causes a loss... Do >tell, > > > how does an insurance company amass huge profits when their customer >base of > > > squirrilly riders are pasting themselves all over the landscape? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > Simple math. The kid makes a $500 down-payment on the insurance policy, >and > > his first weekend on 211 he totals it, and they pay FMV, say $7500 minus >a > > $250 deductible. They just made -$6750. They're making money hand over > > fist in absolute values! > >huh? How did the ins co make $6750? They didn't sell the bike to the kid, >the kid paid them $500 and they paid out $6,750. The "new" math tells me, >they just *lost* $6,750. Even if they can dump the bike as salvage, >they'll be lucky to make out $2K in the hole. > >That "hole" is what WE as insureds end up paying for. > >Insurance companies are in the business to MAKE money, not give it all >away. It's perfectly ok with me for them to do that for a service I get in >return if I should get my bike totalled, stolen or damaged. Don't bash the >insurance companies, bash the idiots that race down the road and total >their bikes or those that commit insurance fraud. They're the ones that >make us pay more each month for insurance. > > >-aki > > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 08:03:25 2003 From: To: "Jon Strang" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 8:03:17 -0400 > > From: "Jon Strang" > Date: 2003/05/13 Tue AM 07:55:38 EDT > To: > Subject: RE: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > He had a minus sign on the number. He was trying to be funny. > > -----Original Message----- > From: adamme1@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:49 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > > > From: Stephen Miller > > Date: 2003/05/12 Mon PM 11:20:30 EDT > > To: > > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > > on 5/12/03 10:53 PM, William J. Huson at bhuson@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > Lemme see, newbie rider insures bike, goes splat, causes a loss... > Do tell, > > > how does an insurance company amass huge profits when their customer > base of > > > squirrilly riders are pasting themselves all over the landscape? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > Simple math. The kid makes a $500 down-payment on the insurance > policy, and > > his first weekend on 211 he totals it, and they pay FMV, say $7500 > minus a > > $250 deductible. They just made -$6750. They're making money hand > over > > fist in absolute values! > > huh? How did the ins co make $6750? They didn't sell the bike to the > kid, the kid paid them $500 and they paid out $6,750. The "new" math > tells me, they just *lost* $6,750. Even if they can dump the bike as > salvage, they'll be lucky to make out $2K in the hole. > > That "hole" is what WE as insureds end up paying for. > > Insurance companies are in the business to MAKE money, not give it all > away. It's perfectly ok with me for them to do that for a service I get > in return if I should get my bike totalled, stolen or damaged. Don't > bash the insurance companies, bash the idiots that race down the road > and total their bikes or those that commit insurance fraud. They're the > ones that make us pay more each month for insurance. > > > -aki > ok..ok...too much coffee and not enough reading comprehension..hey gimme a break, it's only Tuesday. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 08:05:24 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:03:21 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: My new SVS... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:45 AM 5/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: >No, no ticket, thank goodness. The deputy was actually very helpful. > >... >'course, thanks to good gear all around, I'm fine. I just think they >should fix the bike and replace my gear. And fix the road, maybe? Sheesh. That was a beeeeig nasty crack. Glad you and your bike are mostly alright. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 08:25:26 2003 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance (was Just graduated) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 8:25:19 -0400 > > From: "rich hall" > Date: 2003/05/13 Tue AM 07:58:31 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Insurance (was Just graduated) > > In '99 at age 23 w/ one not at fault accident I was quoted $5k a yr by > Progressive for a Honda CBR600 F4. The bike cost $8k. Granted I shouldn't > nor did I start on that bike. > When I was in college I had 3 speeding tickets in 3 years they tripled my > insurance. What did they have to pay out for my speeding tickets, nothing. > F em. > it's the law of averages. If you have a sport bike, are young and are prone to speeding tickets you fall in the "high risk" category. Somewhere I read that one of the reasons you don't see so many older sport bikes around is because they're aren't any. Anyway, you don't like insurance? Don't pay it. Most states have uninsured motorists fees you can pay to get out of paying for insurance. When I worked at DMV, I had a kid come in and turn in his license plates on a sport bike he just bought 3 months earlier. He sold the bike, at a big loss, just to get out from insuring the bike. Seems he too was complaining about how high insurance was, IIRC, his monthly bike payments were something in the neighborhood of $200 a month but his insurance was close to a THOUSAND a month. He bitch and moaned how he was unfairly charged. Then I pulled his driving record. 5 pages... in 3 months... Everything from racing to reckless to speeding to elude. He was turning in his plates because his license was revoked for a minimum of 1 year and subject to review by a judge for reinstatement. He wasn't the only one I saw with records like that. One kid *bragged* about how many bikes he's totaled. Like it was a badge of honor. oh well... -aki It's people like that From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 09:06:45 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:07:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course From: Stephen Miller To: on 5/13/03 7:49 AM, adamme1@XXXXXX at adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > huh? How did the ins co make $6750? They didn't sell the bike to the kid, > the kid paid them $500 and they paid out $6,750. The "new" math tells me, > they just *lost* $6,750. Even if they can dump the bike as salvage, they'll > be lucky to make out $2K in the hole. > > That "hole" is what WE as insureds end up paying for. > > Insurance companies are in the business to MAKE money, not give it all away. > It's perfectly ok with me for them to do that for a service I get in return if > I should get my bike totalled, stolen or damaged. Don't bash the insurance > companies, bash the idiots that race down the road and total their bikes or > those that commit insurance fraud. They're the ones that make us pay more > each month for insurance. > > > -aki > Perhaps you missed the negative sign, and the joke about |absolute value|. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 09:12:18 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:11:28 -0400 The worse part of it is that people who total a bike the first week rarely buy another one which means the insurance company just bought a bike for someone that they don't insure (no revenue) which of course we all pay for. Personally, if I was an insurance company I would demand a lump sum of money (a few thousand) in the beginning and would return it to you in 6-12 months if you had no claims in addition to the normal rates. Protects the rest of us from the one time wonders. In addition the lump sum could be based on experience and bikes. So if I have no experience and bought a GSXR1000, the lump some would be about $10k (or the cost of the bike)... Just a thought. -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Miller [mailto:freecat@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:07 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > on 5/13/03 7:49 AM, adamme1@XXXXXX at adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > huh? How did the ins co make $6750? They didn't sell the > bike to the kid, > > the kid paid them $500 and they paid out $6,750. The "new" > math tells me, > > they just *lost* $6,750. Even if they can dump the bike as > salvage, they'll > > be lucky to make out $2K in the hole. > > > > That "hole" is what WE as insureds end up paying for. > > > > Insurance companies are in the business to MAKE money, not > give it all away. > > It's perfectly ok with me for them to do that for a service > I get in return if > > I should get my bike totalled, stolen or damaged. Don't > bash the insurance > > companies, bash the idiots that race down the road and > total their bikes or > > those that commit insurance fraud. They're the ones that > make us pay more > > each month for insurance. > > > > > > -aki > > > > > Perhaps you missed the negative sign, and the joke about > |absolute value|. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 09:23:16 2003 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:21:14 +0000 From: "Weaver, Sally" Subject: Classic Motorcycle Day - May 18th To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Not a bad little show, if you don't mind the long, gravel driveway that leads to the entrance. Doh! http://www.classicmotorcycleday.com/ Sally '01 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 09:30:48 2003 From: To: Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 9:30:41 -0400 > > From: "Jim McGonigle" > Date: 2003/05/13 Tue AM 09:11:28 EDT > To: > Subject: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > > The worse part of it is that people who total a bike the first week > rarely buy another one which means the insurance company just bought a > bike for someone that they don't insure (no revenue) which of course we > all pay for. > > Personally, if I was an insurance company I would demand a lump sum of > money (a few thousand) in the beginning and would return it to you in > 6-12 months if you had no claims in addition to the normal rates. > Protects the rest of us from the one time wonders. In addition the lump > sum could be based on experience and bikes. So if I have no experience > and bought a GSXR1000, the lump some would be about $10k (or the cost of > the bike)... > > Just a thought. > > -Jim > It would certainly cut down on the number of *insured* bikes. I'm not so sure it would cut down on the *amount* of bikes though. They aren't necessarily mutually inclusive. I think a nation wide, comprehensive licensing program that includes a tiered approach to licensing based on experience and skill would be the best way to get some of those 1000cc one hit wonders off the road. Too many people use the public roads as a proving ground for their perceived racing or riding skills. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 09:50:48 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:49:34 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79be1b7b7513b53920de03a9d34e41bbb9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > It would certainly cut down on the number of *insured* bikes. I'm not so sure it would cut down on the *amount* of bikes though. They >aren't necessarily mutually inclusive. > > I think a nation wide, comprehensive licensing program that includes a tiered approach to licensing based on experience and skill would be >the best way to get some of those 1000cc one hit wonders off the road. > > Too many people use the public roads as a proving ground for their perceived racing or riding skills. [Dave] Aki's right, a tiered system is what we need. After 50, your driving privileges should be reduced to low glare and non night time hours. After 55, we need to curtail inclement weather driving privileges. At 60, your passing lane privileges should be revoked, who wants to ge going 10 under the speed limit in the passing lane? At 65, trips must be restricted to no more than 30 miles unless accompanied by a younger, un restricted license. At 70, you must use public transportation, period, AARP be damned. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 09:51:16 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:51:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course From: Stephen Miller To: on 5/13/03 9:30 AM, adamme1@XXXXXX at adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > It would certainly cut down on the number of *insured* bikes. I'm not so sure > it would cut down on the *amount* of bikes though. They aren't necessarily > mutually inclusive. > > I think a nation wide, comprehensive licensing program that includes a tiered > approach to licensing based on experience and skill would be the best way to > get some of those 1000cc one hit wonders off the road. > > Too many people use the public roads as a proving ground for their perceived > racing or riding skills. > > -aki > > I like the idea of tiered licensing, but for purely selfish reasons: I want bikes like the VFR400/RVF (whatever they're called) and the CBR400RR imported to the U.S. I'll take light weight over power any day, at least on the tight, twisty roads I enjoy the most. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 10:05:38 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think my father would be pretty annoyed if he were restricted to driving his Porsche or Jaguar in the right lane and only during daylight less than thirty miles from home. I'd wager he's a much better driver than 90% of the people on this board and he's over 65. Or was that the kind of point you were getting at, Dave? Sarcasm is so hard to determine sometimes. Chris Weaver --- Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Aki's right, a tiered system is what we > need. After 50, your > driving privileges should be reduced to low glare > and non night time hours. > After 55, we need to curtail inclement weather > driving privileges. At 60, > your passing lane privileges should be revoked, who > wants to ge going 10 > under the speed limit in the passing lane? At 65, > trips must be restricted > to no more than 30 miles unless accompanied by a > younger, un restricted > license. At 70, you must use public transportation, > period, AARP be damned. > > Dave > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 11:43:16 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:43:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course I read it as sarcasm - reinforcing the point that people wouldn't want graduated licenses with more restrictions. I'm playing hooky today and going for a ride somewhere in Western VA. Hope I get lost. At 10:05 AM 5/13/2003, Chris Weaver wrote: >Or was that the kind of point you were getting at, >Dave? Sarcasm is so hard to determine sometimes. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 11:53:50 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:49:05 -0400 On Tuesday 13 May 2003 11:43, Troutman wrote: > I read it as sarcasm - reinforcing the point that people wouldn't want > graduated licenses with more restrictions. > > I'm playing hooky today and going for a ride somewhere in Western VA. Hope > I get lost. > Just watch out for the pits :-) Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 12:02:04 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:39:54 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: RE: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris contributed: >I think my father would be pretty annoyed if he were >restricted to driving his Porsche or Jaguar in the >right lane and only during daylight less than thirty >miles from home. I'd wager he's a much better driver >than 90% of the people on this board and he's over 65. > >Or was that the kind of point you were getting at, >Dave? Sarcasm is so hard to determine sometimes. [Dave] The numbers were "pulled out of a hat", but if we're endorsing tiered licensing, we have to consider old age as well as youth. That was driven home pretty hard recently when the VDOT worker was killed on 395... I am all for more skilled driving, and maybe even graduated displacement licensing, but for society's sake, we have to get drivers that aren't able off the road - age related or not. Senses & reactions degrade as we get older, and that has to be something that graduated licensing accounts for. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 12:03:57 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:03:31 EDT Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/12/2003 12:50:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > But as Bill is quick to point out, the state of VA has seen fit to > define acceptable behavior in one's bedroom. I'm still awaiting reports > of state-sponsored installation of monitoring equipment during change > of ownership as a means of enforcement... Does she own him? Or does he own her? Where would they install monitoring equipment? Sick minds want to know. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 12:42:25 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Well Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:37:55 -0400 After 5 months and the filing of a Oregon BBB complaint, the frame I ordered from Casey Tallon appears to be on its way or at least something is being shipped via Airborne Express. There have been several complaints on the HondaChopper and "The Horse" discussion boards recently about this guy. Someone received a custom oil tank which didn't much match the pics on his website (http://www.tallonkustom.com). So we'll see in a few days. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 12:57:02 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Fairfax police To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was reading the latest MCN article about the annual far west police rodeo last night, and the Fairfax police department moto team seemed to be clearly the best in the nation. Riding a gymkhana course with two bikes connected by an 18-inch tether, etc. But the most amazing event of all was the Slow Race. For anyone who hasn't seen one, this is a four-bike relay race conducted from end to end of a fifty foot long, eight foot wide lane. I guess no one will ever know how good the Fairfax team really is, since the first --unnamed -- Fairfax rider was still on course after all the competing _teams_ had finished! He took over ten minutes to finish the first leg! Does anyone know these guys? Has anyone seen them perform locally? Thanks -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 13:14:38 2003 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MC parking near Mazza Gallery Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:14:30 -0400 Can anyone recommend good MC parking near the Mazza Gallery? My wife has to be in that vicinity tomorrow from about 4:30pm until 7:00pm for a meeting. Basically, she's going to be on Wisconsin Ave, just inside the MD line. Thanks! Perry _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 13:23:45 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:18:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Fairfax police motos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX .... >Fairfax rider was still on course after all the competing >_teams_ had finished! He took over ten minutes to finish >the first leg! [Dave] very impressive.... >Does anyone know these guys? Has anyone seen them perform >locally? [Dave] Sure don't... Seen them stuck in traffic though, sharing a lane, which is reckless in VA, right ;-) .... They did seem to have very good "presence" and machine command. Pity... one could easily admire their skill... were one not to see them all too frequently on the aiming end of a radar / lidar gun pointed at oneself... :-( Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 13:30:41 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:33:11 -0400 Matthew Patton listed: GS450/500's, EX250/500's, I have a more complete but definitely not exhaustive list that I hand out to each MSF student at the completion of the course. Basically with a pricepoint of roughly $2k and a max HP figure of 60HP it wheedles the selection down a bit. Then it becomes a matter of finding a bike with workable ergo's. I know of quite a few tall (and heavy) guys who ride GS500's." FWIW, my 80 GS450 E is taller than my 85 700 Sabre. Both are standards. Nice thing about a standard is after a year on one, you'll have a better idea about which way you want to go. Sport, Sport touring (Deals Gap ain't that far plus, W-BG-V and SE Ohio are even closer.) Or cruising (Thursday nights at many places) Tho Troutman testified, "I am 6'1" and 210lbs. I rode L.Granato's GS500, and found it to be tiny and underpowered." IMHO, no, In My Experienced Opinion. Use your first year to hone street survival skills and smooth operation. In the long run, you'll be faster and better. So, 40-60 Hp is plenty to start with ... and ... you'll be better able to handle the Dark Side. Run up to the Skyway-BRP and for a challenge, keep to the speed limit -- but -- keep to the speed limit around all the curves. Tis good practice for setting up for corners. Or go over by Gapland on South Mountain and run back and forth on Trego Mt road and Tabor Road until you've mastered them. On these roads, a good rider on a 500 can shame an ordinary rider on a liter bike. Work on smooth, fast will come. Find a group you're comfortable riding with. A group that practices "Ride your own ride, and we'll wait for you at the cross roads." (Say, is the Sunday morning Rockville-Halpine Road bunch active? I dropped by Easter morning and there was no-one.) You've got good gear. yes? If no, this list can point you to frugal sources. Carl in Bethesda Commuted into your nation's capital between 1981 & 2002 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. On DOT tit now. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 13:54:49 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fairfax police Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:54:39 -0400 I've seen that guy perform in the slow race. They had an East Coast police meet in the Wal-Mart parking lot at Fair Lakes last year. The slow race course there was much more difficult, as it was a curved course with a couple of turns, layed out with cones. I always thought I was pretty good at slow riding, but this guy puts everyone else to shame. I watch him balance, at a complete stop, for as long as 10 to 15 seconds, repeatedly. Then he's turn the bars to the opposite lock, maybe move a foot or so, and do it all over again. Unbelievable. > > From: Larry Larson > Date: 2003/05/13 Tue PM 12:57:00 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fairfax police > > I was reading the latest MCN article about the annual far > west police rodeo last night, and the Fairfax police > department moto team seemed to be clearly the best in the > nation. Riding a gymkhana course with two bikes connected > by an 18-inch tether, etc. > > But the most amazing event of all was the Slow Race. For > anyone who hasn't seen one, this is a four-bike relay race > conducted from end to end of a fifty foot long, eight foot > wide lane. I guess no one will ever know how good the > Fairfax team really is, since the first --unnamed -- > Fairfax rider was still on course after all the competing > _teams_ had finished! He took over ten minutes to finish > the first leg! > > Does anyone know these guys? Has anyone seen them perform > locally? > > Thanks -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 14:26:52 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Non-Moto: Remote Networking To: DC Cycles My company (just 4 people at this office) may have to vacate our offices for a few weeks and work from home. We can access our email remotely. However, we have a network of files (Word docs, excel, etc.) that we need to be able to access over the Internet). Can anyone recomment a simple and cheap way to do this? I was thinking buying some webspace and uploading it, then using FTP to access documents from home. Is that a good idea? Any other good ideas? Thanks ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 15:26:23 2003 From: To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Fairfax police motos Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:26:14 -0400 I watched them in their show, (I think), last year and they really are *that* good. -aki > > From: Dave Yates > Date: 2003/05/13 Tue PM 01:18:03 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Fairfax police motos > > .... > >Fairfax rider was still on course after all the competing > >_teams_ had finished! He took over ten minutes to finish > >the first leg! > > [Dave] very impressive.... > > >Does anyone know these guys? Has anyone seen them perform > >locally? > > [Dave] Sure don't... Seen them stuck in traffic though, > sharing a lane, which is reckless in VA, right ;-) .... > > They did seem to have very good "presence" and machine > command. Pity... one could easily admire their skill... > were one not to see them all too frequently on the aiming end > of a radar / lidar gun pointed at oneself... :-( > > > Dave Yates > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 15:40:04 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Fairfax police To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, I've seen them -- on rocks and all sorts of irregular surfaces, too. I think they're all Chinese acrobats in disguise. My friend Chris can do a track stand on his dirt bike, too, and I can do one on my bicycle, but I doubt either of us could come close to it on one of those big Harleys. 8;) -- Larry --- Jon Strang wrote: > Ever go to a National or World trials event? The relay > race would be > limited by hunger! They regularly balance at a complete > standstill > indefinitely. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Larson [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:57 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fairfax police > > I was reading the latest MCN article about the annual far > west police rodeo last night, and the Fairfax police > department moto team seemed to be clearly the best in the > nation. Riding a gymkhana course with two bikes connected > by an 18-inch tether, etc. > > But the most amazing event of all was the Slow Race. For > anyone who hasn't seen one, this is a four-bike relay > race > conducted from end to end of a fifty foot long, eight > foot > wide lane. I guess no one will ever know how good the > Fairfax team really is, since the first --unnamed -- > Fairfax rider was still on course after all the competing > _teams_ had finished! He took over ten minutes to finish > the first leg! > > Does anyone know these guys? Has anyone seen them perform > locally? > > Thanks -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 15:46:52 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:46:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: 619 / Aden Ahhhh ..... the joys of 619 / Aden road down through to Dumfries, then back and off into several unknown roads. Great day for a ride - albeit a bit windy. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 15:47:20 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Remote Networking To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > My company (just 4 people at this office) may have to > vacate our offices for a few weeks and work from home. > We can access our email remotely. > > However, we have a network of files (Word docs, excel, > etc.) that we need to be able to access over the > Internet). Can anyone recomment a simple and cheap > way to do this? Are they really shared files, so that they really have to be network accessible? Or could you shove them onto CD-Rs or DVD-Rs? > I was thinking buying some webspace and uploading it, > then using FTP to access documents from home. How much space are we talking about -- a few GB? One to five ftp accounts? If that's all you need, I have plenty of space on a server on a dedicated T-1 line, and could help you out for free. Only caveat is that I'll be away for a week from Saturday on, so it would have to be set up before then or after Memorial Day. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 17:15:35 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:28:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Remote Networking On Tue, 13 May 2003, Larry Larson wrote: > > I was thinking buying some webspace and uploading it, > > then using FTP to access documents from home. > > How much space are we talking about -- a few GB? One to > five ftp accounts? If that's all you need, I have plenty of > space on a server on a dedicated T-1 line, and could help > you out for free. Just curious, and it's really none of my business, but why would you 'help out' a business for free? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 17:24:05 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:23:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MC parking near Mazza Gallery To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX don't know of any moto-specific parking out this way.... and during rush hour parking on wisconsin may be a no-no. there is certainly garage parking in the area (at mazza and the chevy chase pavillion). --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Can anyone recommend good MC parking near the Mazza > Gallery? My wife has to > be in that vicinity tomorrow from about 4:30pm until > 7:00pm for a meeting. > Basically, she's going to be on Wisconsin Ave, just > inside the MD line. > > Thanks! > > Perry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 17:40:22 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: Fairfax police To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Does anyone know these guys? Has anyone seen them > perform > locally? > > Thanks -- Larry > There is a police rodeo in September in Rockville, by the Monkey County police headquarters. The Fairfax team always shows up plus lots of teams from all over the country. Always worth checking out. http://www.mapmrc.com/ They have not updated it with this year's events but usually they do that in late May or early June. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 18:44:03 2003 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: vze42nqz@XXXXXX Subject: fwd: STOLEN NOTICE Content-ID: <26181.1052865837.1@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:43:57 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX Forwarding for off-lister. Replies to original sender... -harry ------- Forwarded Message From: "Xavier & Lori" To: Subject: STOLEN NOTICE Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:50:29 -0400 ... Last night - stolen out of my garage in Wheaton, MD were the following Dirt Bikes: 1995 Suzuki RM 250 - Purple front fender, handlebars & number plate - Black back fender. Other Neon colors on body as well. 2001 PW80 Yamaha - standard Yamaha blue 1999 YZ 125 Yamaha - standard Yamaha blue Also were one set of 18" rims and tires.... Should you have any information - please contact: Xavier at 410-262-3280 Lori at 202-390-8824 or 703-482-2434 Thanks so much! ------- End of Forwarded Message From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 18:50:51 2003 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fairfax police Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:50:43 -0400 Just an FYI, but the Fairfax team is mentioned in this month's Motorcycle Consumer News. They have an article on a police rodeo. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 19:22:45 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:22:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Fwd: Free Tickets sorry folks, I just read this message when I got home. >Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:52:40 -0400 >From: Carl Schelin >Subject: Free Tickets >To: adamme1@XXXXXX >X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA > >Aki, > > I can't post to the dc-cycle list from where I am right now. Can > you post the following message for me? > >--- > >Three free tickets to the 7pm ZZ Top show (Ted Nugent as warm up) at >Nissan Pavilion. > >They're lawn seats. My neighbor got them from work. I won't go into >the gory details but she just gave them to me. I'm not a fan of Ted >or of Nissan Pavilion so if you're in the Dale City area and want >the tickets, give me a call: > >Cell: 703 969 1552 > >My cell isn't normally on so you may have to call a couple of times >until I figure out that it's my cell going off :-) > >--- > >Thanks Aki, > >Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 20:48:49 2003 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Wedding pictures, if you're interested Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:09:57 -0400 Hi All: Brian and I are back from an incredible honeymoon. The wedding was absolutely magical!!!! For those who are interested, you can view our photographer's pictures...beware...there are tons! Directions for accessing our pictures: www.pictage.com event search: use Granato (too many other Roach's got married :) Create your new user information event code: celebrate123 Laura and Brian Roach :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 21:05:32 2003 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:02:47 -0400 Subject: For Sale ? 2000 SV650 w/~1100 miles X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-28 From: Tom Fitzpatrick I'm thinking about selling the SV650 to finance the purchase of another GB. 2000 Blue ~1,100 miles as new two different Corbin leather rider seats ("carbon fiber" and plain black) Corbin leather covered passenger pad Suzuki gel seat - never mounted/new Suzuki mini-fairing - never mounted/new Suzuki luggage rack - never mounted/new Suzuki tank bra - never mounted/new a stock of oil filters and oil drain washers rear stand spools Located near Potomac Mills, Woodbridge, VA (703) 670-5525 Any offers? Tom Fitzpatrick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 21:35:40 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:34:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Fairfax police To: Larry Larson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Larry Larson wrote: > > Does anyone know these guys? Has anyone seen them perform > locally? I saw two of them take a curve side-by-side while zipping along a backroad towards Clifton a couple years ago, it looked blatantly dangerous to me. But I read the same article, it does sound like they are pretty good riders. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 21:50:16 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Remote Networking To: Wayne Edelen , DC Cycles --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > Just curious, and it's really none of my business, but > why would you 'help out' a business for free? :-) Costs me nothing; it wasn't a business asking, as far as I was concerned; it was a dc-cycles guy asking, I offered. Takes me about thirty seconds to set up an ftp account. No biggie. OK, I take it back. Mark, what's it worth to you? 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 21:51:58 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:51:45 EDT Subject: Re: Fairfax police To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/13/2003 9:36:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > I saw two of them take a curve side-by-side while zipping > along a backroad towards Clifton a couple years ago, it > looked blatantly dangerous to me. How bizarre. When I first started riding everyone I knew rode side by side. It was no problem, easy and safe. Fear of riding side by side seems strange to me. Hell we could talk, point out things and lets not forget the same visual cross section as a car or truck so we could be seen better. I prefer it to staggered riding. It is just what you are used to I guess. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 13 22:49:46 2003 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:49:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Lurking Subject: Thanks for all the advice! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey Guys and Ladies, Thank you for all the information. A lot of it I have heard before, but it's good to be reminded. One of the reasons I was looking for a bike 600cc and under is that they are lighter (generally) than a bigger displacement bike. I used a Nighthawk 250 in MSF class and loved it (albiet I never got above about 30mph). Of course, I have nothing to compare it to, so it doesn't really mean jack. I've been contacted by a number of members of this group to offer some options. Some of my current options are (most around $1500): Kawasaki Zephyr 550 Kawasaki ZR-7 Yamaha Seca II (2 of them ;) 1980 Honda CB550K (considerably cheaper but has some rust, guarenteed to be safe and fuctional too ;) Some of the other bikes I'm interested in but haven't seen for sale recently are: Honda Rebel 250 (don't know if the size will work) Yamaha V-Star Suzuki GS500 Ducati Monster 600 Kawasaki KLR650 Yamaha Virago So anyway, That's a lot of choices. I doubt I'll even sit on half of them before I fall for one. I'll send out updates as they happen :) ===== "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland." -Adolf Hitler __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 06:08:22 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Remote Networking Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:03:58 -0400 On Tuesday 13 May 2003 17:28, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003, Larry Larson wrote: > > > I was thinking buying some webspace and uploading it, > > > then using FTP to access documents from home. > > > > How much space are we talking about -- a few GB? One to > > five ftp accounts? If that's all you need, I have plenty of > > space on a server on a dedicated T-1 line, and could help > > you out for free. > > Just curious, and it's really none of my business, but why would you 'help > out' a business for free? :-) > I made a similar offer; not for free though. Like Larry, I have a system already set up. I'd have to add a disk for the additional space, set up a few accounts and open up the firewall to their systems but it's a short term fast solution for a fellow biker who may be in a jam. It's just like the other problems that have come up on the list. People go over to other houses to help wrench. Well, I'm not a mechanic but I am a geek. One of these days some wrenching task will be beyond my skills and I'll post a request and _someone_ will have the time to come over and help. And I'll get some beers or dinner and we'll be somewhat square. > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 06:09:20 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Fwd: Free Tickets Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:04:58 -0400 On Tuesday 13 May 2003 19:22, Aki Damme wrote: > sorry folks, I just read this message when I got home. > That's ok. They were lawn seats anyway. I've seen the lawn seats. That was the third strike as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for posting. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 06:38:52 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 03:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Thanks for all the advice! On Tue, 13 May 2003, Lurking wrote: > Honda Rebel 250 (don't know if the size will work) I can almost guarantee you that this will be way too small for you. I'm a relatively slim 6'1", and sat on a Rebel for one or two exercises in my MSF course, and hated the damn thing. It's built for verrry short and small people. The Honda Shadow 600 VLX is also way too small for me. The 750 ACE is about right, in cruiserdom, although a bit heavy. I ended up with a GS500, which I love (when I'm not destroying the carburetors). Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 07:28:10 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:41:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Remote Networking On Wed, 14 May 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > I made a similar offer; not for free though. Like Larry, I have a system > already set up. I'd have to add a disk for the additional space, set up a few > accounts and open up the firewall to their systems but it's a short term fast > solution for a fellow biker who may be in a jam. > > It's just like the other problems that have come up on the list. People go > over to other houses to help wrench. Well, I'm not a mechanic but I am a > geek. One of these days some wrenching task will be beyond my skills and I'll > post a request and _someone_ will have the time to come over and help. And > I'll get some beers or dinner and we'll be somewhat square. I guess you missed my point. Mark posted that his company needed help, since they were vacating their offices. That's nothing like him asking for help with wrenching or something personal. I don't think that Mark was asking for something for free, just a solution for their file sharing problem. I've helped people with wrenching and file hosting for free, but it's always an individual. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 07:46:19 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Remote Networking Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:41:58 -0400 On Wednesday 14 May 2003 07:41, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > I made a similar offer; not for free though. Like Larry, I have a system > > already set up. I'd have to add a disk for the additional space, set up a > > few accounts and open up the firewall to their systems but it's a short > > term fast solution for a fellow biker who may be in a jam. > > > > It's just like the other problems that have come up on the list. People > > go over to other houses to help wrench. Well, I'm not a mechanic but I am > > a geek. One of these days some wrenching task will be beyond my skills > > and I'll post a request and _someone_ will have the time to come over and > > help. And I'll get some beers or dinner and we'll be somewhat square. > > I guess you missed my point. > I'm not sure I did. > Mark posted that his company needed help, since they were vacating their > offices. That's nothing like him asking for help with wrenching or > something personal. I don't think that Mark was asking for something for > free, just a solution for their file sharing problem. > And I didn't offer it for free. Larry did. I have a side business where I do computer work; setting up home networks for example. While my home system isn't currently capable of handling storage solutions for lots of people, a first "client" is always necessary. Many large companies have started this way. Word of mouth is a fine advertising method. I'm willing to work for cost or even less if it'll get more business. > I've helped people with wrenching and file hosting for free, but it's > always an individual. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 09:10:10 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:10:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Remote Networking To: Wayne Edelen , DC Cycles Regardless what path I take, I never would accept a totally free offer for my company. I would have insisted on paying for the service. Thanks for all that offered help. I have a few options and we are not sure when the construction is going to start here. --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > I made a similar offer; not for free though. Like > Larry, I have a system > > already set up. I'd have to add a disk for the > additional space, set up a few > > accounts and open up the firewall to their systems > but it's a short term fast > > solution for a fellow biker who may be in a jam. > > > > It's just like the other problems that have come > up on the list. People go > > over to other houses to help wrench. Well, I'm not > a mechanic but I am a > > geek. One of these days some wrenching task will > be beyond my skills and I'll > > post a request and _someone_ will have the time to > come over and help. And > > I'll get some beers or dinner and we'll be > somewhat square. > > I guess you missed my point. > > Mark posted that his company needed help, since they > were vacating their > offices. That's nothing like him asking for help > with wrenching or > something personal. I don't think that Mark was > asking for something for > free, just a solution for their file sharing > problem. > > I've helped people with wrenching and file hosting > for free, but it's > always an individual. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 09:13:05 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:13:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Police Riders--Not Good To: DC Cycles I heard of two accidents involving cops yesterday. One was escorting families to the memorial. Article below does not have details, but apparently one bike stalled and the others hit it (lane sharing?), and two other bikes hit each other, I think in Fairfax? Two Police Officers Hurt In Interstate Crash Posted - May 13, 2003 6:42pm Alexandria (AP) - Two out-of-state police officers on their way to national police week activities in D.C. have been injured in a motorcycle crash on Interstate 395. Virginia State Police say one of the officers is from Massachusetts and the other is from New York. The accident happened before 6 p.m. in the northbound lanes at the Shirlington exit. Sergeant Everett Currie says the officers were part of a motorcade and crashed their motorcycles. The men were airlifted to Washington Hospital Center with non-life threatening injuries. ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 09:17:53 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:17:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Police Riders--Not Good To: DC Cycles MK pointed out: >I heard of two accidents involving cops yesterday. [Dave] Bummer. Hope everyone's ok. ... >Two Police Officers Hurt In Interstate Crash >Posted - May 13, 2003 6:42pm > >Alexandria (AP) - Two out-of-state police officers ... >have been injured in a motorcycle crash on Interstate >395. > >Virginia State Police say one of the officers is from >Massachusetts and the other is from New York. > >The accident happened before 6 p.m. in the northbound >lanes at the Shirlington exit. Sergeant Everett Currie >says the officers were part of a motorcade and crashed >their motorcycles. The men were airlifted to >Washington Hospital Center with non-life threatening >injuries. [Dave] Wonder who was charged in the accident... Should've been plenty of ticket books handy... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 09:21:08 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:19:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Fwd: Free Tickets A friend won 6 tickets from 94.7. The tickets were only $9 if you had to buy them. Not worth that much IMHO. I hate the parking situation at Nissan Pavillion. Concert over at 11pm. We got out of the parking lot at 12:15. At 07:22 PM 5/13/2003, Aki Damme wrote: >>Three free tickets to the 7pm ZZ Top show (Ted Nugent as warm up) at >>Nissan Pavilion. > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 09:27:16 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Police Riders--Not Good To: Dave Yates , DC Cycles Yeah right. --- Dave Yates wrote: > MK pointed out: > > >I heard of two accidents involving cops yesterday. > > [Dave] Bummer. Hope everyone's ok. > > ... > >Two Police Officers Hurt In Interstate Crash > >Posted - May 13, 2003 6:42pm > > > >Alexandria (AP) - Two out-of-state police officers > ... > >have been injured in a motorcycle crash on > Interstate > >395. > > > >Virginia State Police say one of the officers is > from > >Massachusetts and the other is from New York. > > > >The accident happened before 6 p.m. in the > northbound > >lanes at the Shirlington exit. Sergeant Everett > Currie > >says the officers were part of a motorcade and > crashed > >their motorcycles. The men were airlifted to > >Washington Hospital Center with non-life > threatening > >injuries. > > [Dave] Wonder who was charged in the accident... > Should've > been plenty of ticket books handy... > > > Dave Yates > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 09:37:40 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:35:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Down to 1 Well, I am now down to 1 bike. I sold the '82 Suzuki GS650GL this weekend for $900.00 -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 09:45:14 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike's been sold Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:40:52 -0400 Rita sold her Yamaha 250 last night for $600 so we're down to 1.5 bikes (well, the Honda isn't running yet). Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 09:51:49 2003 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: MD Motorcycle Parking Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:51:46 GMT Does anyone know the specifics on the bill revising the rules of motorcycle parking? Ehrlich Signs Bills On Deficit and DUI Laws Among 150 Adopted in Annapolis By Nelson Hernandez and Craig Whitlock Washington Post Staff Writers Wednesday, May 14, 2003; Page B05 Maryland Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. yesterday signed into law about 150 bills passed by the General Assembly during its recent legislative session, including measures to balance the state's budget and toughen penalties for drunk drivers. Most of the laws bring minor changes to the state code, such as a bill revising the rules for motorcycle parking and another lifting a ban on electronic pagers on school property on the Eastern Shore and in Baltimore. (snip) Lisa Goddard '95 VFR www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 10:15:19 2003 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: MD Motorcycle parking law Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:15:17 GMT Am I correct to think that this means that it is OK to park more than one bike in a metered spot? I thought there was already a ruling in MD that more than one bike is allowed in a metered parking space. I guess the original bill had to be amended. HB 923 - Vehicle Laws - Local Regulation of Parking - Motorcycles Prohibiting a political subdivision, in the exercise of its authority to regulate parking, from adopting or enforcing an ordinance or regulation that prohibits the parking of more than one motorcycle in a space served by a single parking meter. TR, Section 26-301-amended Delegate Owings Lisa Goddard '95 VFR www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 10:25:39 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Subject: Re: MC parking near Mazza Gallery Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:06:55 -0400 Tucked away is 44th Street with *generally* plenty parking. From Wisconsin Ave., take Jenifer St. (So. end of M.. G...) west one block, turn left. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > stealth parker Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Can anyone recommend good MC parking near the Mazza > Gallery? My wife has to > be in that vicinity tomorrow from about 4:30pm until > 7:00pm for a meeting. > Basically, she's going to be on Wisconsin Ave, just > inside the MD line. > > Thanks! > > Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 10:45:15 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: FS: SV650? & FS: Katana 600 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:31:15 -0400 Someone had a FS post for SV650 a day or so ago... I'm in a market for SV650 !!! Please email me... BTW, 1991 Katana 600 is for sale! $1,200 obo 24k miles after market pipe carb cleaned recently new brake pads new clutch good tires engine runs strong rust free tank Great cheap bike I'll be honest; Bought it for $700 about 6 months ago spent about $600 fixing it... steering head bearing may need replacement to be picky, runs fine without this fix (will cost about $200-300 at a shop) It'll be on internet ADs and Washington Post at a rip-off price. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 10:55:38 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: SV650? & FS: Katana 600 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:55:37 -0400 also in a market for inexpensive racer/track bike > Someone had a FS post for SV650 a day or so ago... > I'm in a market for SV650 !!! Please email me... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 11:00:21 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:00:14 -0700 (PDT) From: M J Subject: Bike Shops in Sterling, VA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Good morning, Has anyone experience with (Kawasaki) bike shops in the Sterling, Virginia area--whether good or bad? My ZN700A2 (1985 LTD) needs a new rear tire and brake work. I expect only the boot and seals to be replaced (at most) if beyond just adding fresh DOT-4 to the system. Any wisdom from fellow listers would be appreciated. Likewise, I want to get the bike inspected, but I am looking for a shop that doesn't use a reject sticker as an excuse to sell me a bike or have work done that has no real safety risk to others. Have a great day, -mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 11:17:27 2003 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Free Tickets Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:17:19 -0400 > > From: Troutman > Date: 2003/05/14 Wed AM 09:19:48 EDT > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Fwd: Free Tickets > > A friend won 6 tickets from 94.7. The tickets were only $9 if you had to > buy them. Not worth that much IMHO. > > I hate the parking situation at Nissan Pavillion. Concert over at > 11pm. We got out of the parking lot at 12:15. ..that's one of the reasons I decided not to go. The parking situation there is *horrible*. What time did you actually get home? That's the *second* reason I didn't go. I'm not as young as I used to be and the idea of getting about three hours of sleep before going to work horrifies me. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 11:27:28 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:26:47 -0400 From: Skip To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Police Riders--Not Good Mark Kitchell wrote: > The men were airlifted to Washington Hospital Center with non-life threatening injuries. Why the hell were they airlifted, then? Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 11:28:22 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:30:51 -0400 Dave, dodging geezer wrath, backtracked with: "I am all for more skilled driving, and maybe even graduated displacement licensing, but for society's sake, we have to get drivers that aren't able off the road - age related or not. Senses & reactions degrade as we get older, and that has to be something that graduated licensing accounts for. Dave Yates" I agree, at the tender age of 62 I ain't a swift as I once was. And many of my peers (& elders) scare the shit outta me with their driving incompetence. I'd like to see road tests for we geezers instead of just the usual wall eye-chart. I'd also like to see road tests for every one who operates a vehicle weighing more than 4000 pounds -- in the behemoth they intend to drive. While thee "tanks" are safer for the driver, they are a greater menace to others. That'd be in the interest of public safety but surely opposed by AARP (love the discounts) and dinosaur manufacturers. But rather than just whining to the choir, lets also write our representatives and call for change. Merrylun folks go here: http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/html/mmtoc.html Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 11:32:51 2003 From: To: M J , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Shops in Sterling, VA Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:32:44 -0400 > > From: M J > Date: 2003/05/14 Wed AM 11:00:14 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike Shops in Sterling, VA > > Good morning, > > Has anyone experience with (Kawasaki) bike shops in > the Sterling, Virginia area--whether good or > bad? Rhodes Cycles has a good rep, they're just down the street from the Herndon Police station. > > My ZN700A2 (1985 LTD) needs a new rear tire and brake > work. I expect > only the boot and seals to be replaced (at most) if > beyond just adding fresh DOT-4 to the system. > > Any wisdom from fellow listers would be appreciated. > > Likewise, I want to get the bike inspected, but I am > looking for a shop that doesn't use a reject sticker > as an excuse to sell me a bike or have work done that > has no real safety risk to others. it's been my experience that if you go to a bike shop *just* for an inspection, they'll find *something* wrong. However, if you're already there having them do work, they sometimes will toss in a free inspection and won't try so hard to drum up more business. > > Have a great day, you too. > -mike -aki > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 11:39:32 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Police Riders--Not Good To: Skip , Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Skip asked: > Why the hell were they airlifted, then? Because they are cops of course. I also suspect that they weren't ticketed for reckless driving (for riding beside each other) or failing to control their vehicles. When I went by, there was no debris from the accident remaining on the road, no ambulances, no fire trucks and no tow trucks but there was what appeared to be a reporter interviewing a cop standing at the side of the road. All lanes were still completely blocked. I thought it was just a training exercise. When a civilian is involved in an accident, the lanes are hardly ever completely blocked off, traffic continues to flow through whatever lanes can be opened. It appears that even out-of-state cops are special. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 12:32:37 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:32:23 EDT Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/14/2003 11:29:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > Dave, dodging geezer wrath, backtracked with: > "I am all for more skilled driving, and maybe even graduated displacement > licensing, but for society's sake, we have to get drivers that aren't able > off the road - age related or not. Dealt with. To quote myself in prior posts. "testing should be regular and tough enough that 1/3 to 1/2 of those on the road today could never pass." No reference to age, gender, or anything but driver skill and knowledge. I also stated that the roads would be safer, that mass transit would become practical and other benefits. I also stated that it would never happen. I stand by all of the above. Oh and the money for mass transit? How about the _Billions_ and _billions_ currently being spent on "road improvement" making roads wider to handle more traffic, and straighter so people who cannot even steer their damn cars can drive, (ruining them from the motorcycle point of view.) Oh and road maintenance costs should drop sharply*. *Trucks must also be changed and load regulations changed to reduce costs of repair. $.02 John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 12:57:24 2003 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:57:17 -0400 > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: 2003/05/14 Wed PM 12:32:23 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > > In a message dated 5/14/2003 11:29:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > > > Dave, dodging geezer wrath, backtracked with: > > "I am all for more skilled driving, and maybe even graduated displacement > > licensing, but for society's sake, we have to get drivers that aren't able > > off the road - age related or not. > > Dealt with. To quote myself in prior posts. > "testing should be regular and tough enough that 1/3 to 1/2 of those on the > road today could never pass." > No reference to age, gender, or anything but driver skill and knowledge. ..this should include motorcycle testing IMO. > I also stated that the roads would be safer, that mass transit would become > practical and other benefits. ..nah..we'd just have more uncoordinated idiots riding bicycles all over the road claiming they have a "right" to ride down the middle of the lane. The ratio of BDB's (brain dead bicyclists), would soar. > I also stated that it would never happen. ..nope.. > I stand by all of the above. > > Oh and the money for mass transit? How about the _Billions_ and _billions_ > currently being spent on "road improvement" making roads wider to handle more > traffic, and straighter so people who cannot even steer their damn cars can > drive, (ruining them from the motorcycle point of view.) ..bah..Virginia is way ahead of you. They're going to spend all their money for the next six years just paying off the bills on existing or past projects. > Oh and road > maintenance costs should drop sharply*. > > *Trucks must also be changed and load regulations changed to reduce costs of > repair. ..and you can bet that the cost of anything transported by truck will double or triple to make up for the added cost to transport. > $.02 ..make that $.015..it was a good idea though. ;-) -aki > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 13:15:57 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:15:54 -0400 Bottom line, I'd be willing to support a rigid tiered MC training and licensing system, but only if it applies to cages too. And that means, in short, it ain't gonna happen. One baby step would be to sentence all those found guilty of first-time moving violations to either a fine or a mandatory defensive driving course like the ones offered at Summit, not these BS classroom-only charm schools. You either pay the fine (and publicly admit you're a dullard not interested in improving your driving skills) or pay to attend the school. If you pass the course, no points, no insurance report. Fail, you get points and jacked up rates courtesy of your insurance company. I know, in my dreams. Traffic enforcement that actually improves safety. Can't have that. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course > In a message dated 5/14/2003 11:29:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > > > Dave, dodging geezer wrath, backtracked with: > > "I am all for more skilled driving, and maybe even graduated displacement > > licensing, but for society's sake, we have to get drivers that aren't able > > off the road - age related or not. > > Dealt with. To quote myself in prior posts. > "testing should be regular and tough enough that 1/3 to 1/2 of those on the > road today could never pass." > No reference to age, gender, or anything but driver skill and knowledge. > I also stated that the roads would be safer, that mass transit would become > practical and other benefits. > I also stated that it would never happen. > I stand by all of the above. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 13:38:23 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:38:11 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Paul Pontificated ;-) : >Bottom line, I'd be willing to support a rigid tiered MC >training and licensing system, but only if it applies to >cages too. [Dave} So far, so good. > And that means, in short, it ain't gonna happen. One baby >step would be to sentence all those found guilty of first- >time moving violations to either a fine or a mandatory >defensive driving course like the ones offered at Summit, >not these BS classroom-only charm schools. [Dave] Paul this is gettin' scary... I'm with you here too. > You either pay the fine (and publicly admit you're a >dullard not interested in improving your driving skills) or >pay to attend the school. [Dave] Ok, you lost me here. The optional fine makes it disproportionately unfair to po' folks - think about it, those most able to afford it are going to be the ones in the Uber-ute Ford Apocolypse v16's that seat 20 and have cell phone controls on the steering wheels ! They'll just pay the fine & be done with it. Nope, no fines. Choice of Jail time, or community service, period if the first timers don't opt for the (expensive anyway) driver trainging. This will ensure that it is *really* about safety because it takes away the financial incentive to enforce the laws - as it should be. Let's not forget "Loser Pays" - if they're civil infractions, not criminal, then you should be compensated for your time, expenses & research in order to prove your non guilt - after all, if they can't meet the "preponderance of evidence threshold" there shouldn't have been a court action in the 1st place, and it was nothing more than judicial harassment ! Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 13:47:29 2003 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:43:02 -0400 On Wednesday 14 May 2003 13:38, Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Ok, you lost me here. The optional fine makes it > disproportionately unfair to po' folks - think about it, > those most able to afford it are going to be the ones in the > Uber-ute Ford Apocolypse v16's that seat 20 and have cell > phone controls on the steering wheels ! They'll just pay the > fine & be done with it. Nope, no fines. Choice of Jail > time, or community service, period if the first timers don't > opt for the (expensive anyway) driver trainging. This will > ensure that it is *really* about safety because it takes away > the financial incentive to enforce the laws - as it should > be. > Let's not forget "Loser Pays" - if they're civil > infractions, not criminal, then you should be compensated for > your time, expenses & research in order to prove your non > guilt - after all, if they can't meet the "preponderance of > evidence threshold" there shouldn't have been a court action > in the 1st place, and it was nothing more than judicial > harassment ! This reminds me of the article in the Free Lance Star a few years back. It seems that in this northern european country the fines are commensurate with your ability to pay. The more you make, the higher the fine if you commit an infraction. So, as the story goes, someone got busted for speeding. He had a nice sportscar and made some very high income which made the speeding fine something like $32,000 USD. I know _I'd_ be more careful if I had to pay 10% of _my_ gross salary for a speeding ticket! Of course, a $1 USD fine for speeding would be right out. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 14:17:01 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: M J , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Shops in Sterling, VA Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:16:52 -0400 Not in Sterling, but I've had generally good results, and fair treatment, from Manassa Honda/Kawasaki in (surprise!) Manassas. Bob Meyer > > From: M J > Date: 2003/05/14 Wed AM 11:00:14 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike Shops in Sterling, VA > > Good morning, > > Has anyone experience with (Kawasaki) bike shops in > the Sterling, Virginia area--whether good or > bad? > > My ZN700A2 (1985 LTD) needs a new rear tire and brake > work. I expect > only the boot and seals to be replaced (at most) if > beyond just adding fresh DOT-4 to the system. > > Any wisdom from fellow listers would be appreciated. > > Likewise, I want to get the bike inspected, but I am > looking for a shop that doesn't use a reject sticker > as an excuse to sell me a bike or have work done that > has no real safety risk to others. > > Have a great day, > -mike > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 15:50:55 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:49:02 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Bike Shops in Sterling, VA To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX Cc: M J , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bob Meyer wrote: > > Not in Sterling, but I've had generally good results, > and fair treatment, from Manassa Honda/Kawasaki in (surprise!) > Manassas. I'll go out on a limb and echo that. In general, all dealers suck, but MHK seems to suck less than most others I've enountered. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 18:14:27 2003 From: "S. Russell" To: "Skip" , "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Police Riders--Not Good Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:14:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [216.193.42.1] at Wed, 14 May 2003 17:14:17 -0500 they all get airlifted because police get the special attention. They also get sent to the trauma area just in case. Scott Russell Medic -----Original Message----- From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:27 AM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Police Riders--Not Good Mark Kitchell wrote: > The men were airlifted to Washington Hospital Center with non-life threatening injuries. Why the hell were they airlifted, then? Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 19:48:32 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:48:17 EDT Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/14/2003 12:57:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > ..and you can bet that the cost of anything transported by truck will double > or triple to make up for the added cost to transport. Not really, Trailers need to be modified to put less stress on the road surface, but that would add little to the cost of a new trailer, amortized over the life of the trailer, nothing. As for bicycles you have got to be kidding. most folks are too lazy to walk one extra car width to the grocery store. PEDAL? never. And if that does not work make them take a test if they want to use the roads and bust em if they do not follow the rules of the road. Or let Darwin have em. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 19:53:52 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:53:39 EDT Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/14/2003 1:16:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Bottom line, I'd be willing to support a rigid tiered MC training and > licensing system, but only if it applies to cages too. Should go without saying, but I agree. The first, best step would be to return to actually teaching drivers ed in schools. Clearly they no longer do. (Yes I know they "teach" it, like they teach science, god help us. We "drove" simulators for months before we got behind the wheel of a real car with a real instructor.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 21:50:52 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re : SV650FS + Endurance at VIR?? X-AvMilter-Key: 1052963749:7e2786a60959c6da7d760c2288cdd64d X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey Doh, I just deleted the digest... To whomever is selling the '00 SV... If you're willing to part with a few things separately (tank bra & one of the seats, specifically), please throw me an e-mail. Also, is anyone headed to VIR next Weds or Thurs? I've got to get my loaner wheel back to Shawn Romano, and my weekend is looking hairy. Driving out to Charleston WV to drop it off is not impossible, but if I know someone's heading out to VIR for the race and can relay it for me if need be, that'd be a nice backup plan. Thanks- -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com '01 SV650S - "Over Easy" '95 GPz1100 - "Cruise MIssile" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 22:27:08 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:27:05 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: DC-Cycles Subject: [Fwd: FS: My V65 Sabre] >From another list... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [SABMAG] FS: My V65 Sabre (probably) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:01:18 -0400 From: Dave Arkle Reply-To: Dave Arkle To: SABMAG@XXXXXX Sorry to SPAM my FS ad (ok, I'm not that sorry :) but I put up a web page real quick-like so that if any of you know a possible interested party, you can just give the URL. http://www.expertfriend.com/sabre.htm the quick and dirty: 84 V65 Sabre, good condition, $1500 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 23:30:23 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: *Blown* trip -- a breezy tale. And Rt40 a year later Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:05:49 -0400 Again this year the spring breezes beckoned. So about mid-April the plotting to squeeze in a couple of days windsurfing in So. Jersey began. The standard drill -- schedule? rental gear available? lodging? bike set? And, most fickle -- weather? It was all to jell on Mon-Tues. Sunday forecasts were encouraging (temps good, fair, breezes toward the high end at 20k, but all the more salivating) and the bike chomping at the bit. So (w/o further wx checking) Monday am headed out Rt50 (preferred route), bike piled high. Lovely morning, opposite rush traffic, Bay Bridge a morning treat, no w'caps on the water (a little discouraging). Not to last. The minute hit Rt301, crosswinds started biting, and increasing. Deja vu -- last year the same d** thing happened with two bridges, the canal bridge and DelMem, to go. After 50Kmi of bike time 40knot bridge crosswinds with a sailly load still join my joints. The N-S canal bridge was the worst due to W wind. And I suppose I trusted the traffic there less (an odd assortment of rural-looking vehicles) than on 95 . Leaning left, my slab-riding tires came off a little less chickeny. Like my demeanor. Later on, DelMem, pointed NE, was smooth. Stuff blows around the NJ flatlands at 40k -- the rest of the backroad trip was dodgeball from dust, cowchips, and whatever. Did make good time (and great 51 mpg on the backwind top end of that 3-1/2hr trip). On arriving -- Let's see. Windsurfing and some sober visits were what I came for. W...? Considering: Gusts to 40 are hard on the lats and biceps the first rides of the season; rollers were capped and strong on the bay. Too much for me -- forecasts were for 20. And ppl said the new f'cst for Tuesday to be more of the same 40gusts (and late rain). Poof w'surfing. (Jeezuz. Two days of constant heavies. At some times, welcome -- but to be tired on the bike and headed for home Tues pm wind in my teeth from WSW. Not comfy.) So -- adjustment time. Motel, limited town visits (blowing stuff), watch wxchannel, movies, no night travel (blowing stuff), up 6:30a Tues to cross DelMem early before pm heavies and down 95 vice 301 (to avoid BayBridge in f'csted heavies). Some flotsam avoided -- glad it's daylight. Done. A little chilly, windbattered, frustrated, and return ahead of dedicated two-day respite. Relax rest of day. Vow to microforecast marginal wx trips. ******* While the above written, "Dateline" chronicled the yearago Rt.40 Arkansas Bridge disaster (barge hits bridge, it collapses, vehicles continue into abyss). Wrenching-to-me, given recent above bridge experiences. First part was with bass fishermen who were ON SITE AS IT HAPPENED. Absolutely compelling. These fellows were leisurely fishing: The elevated bridge caved-in yards away: Initially the vehicle carnage was unpreventable (tens died as they watched). Good thinking resulted in their finally firing an emergency flare at an 18-wheeler, stopping it and subsequent traffic. A "ME. THERE. WHAT IF?" engulfing story. (The ultimate -- "me on the bike at night?") It seems, Dateline data says, that barges crash into bridges every other day in the US. Duly noted. (The whole hour, looking at many aspects, was a typically DL fine recap of a unique crisis.) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > There's a kite under the seat Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 23:30:41 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:30:45 -0500 Another good reason to cheat on your taxes :) Rob > > This reminds me of the article in the Free Lance Star a few years > back. It seems that in this northern european country the fines are > commensurate with your ability to pay. The more you make, the higher > the fine if you commit an infraction. > > So, as the story goes, someone got busted for speeding. He had a > nice sportscar and made some very high income which made the > speeding fine something like $32,000 USD. > > I know _I'd_ be more careful if I had to pay 10% of _my_ gross > salary for a speeding ticket! > > Of course, a $1 USD fine for speeding would be right out. > > Carl > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk > if Windows Source Code is made public. > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl > Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 14 23:33:54 2003 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Remote Networking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Wed, 14 May 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > .... but it's a short term fast > solution for a fellow biker who may be in a jam. Exactly. Also, some of us have a soft spot for tiny start-ups, having spent a couple of years running a little two-man 8A sub-contracting Delaware corporation (the *first* "Download, Inc.") 8;) Hell, I've been running domains and sites for a couple of poor environmental attorney friends for a few years too. Gonna have to start charging those suckers... Everybody's gotta have a hobby. Some of us need dozens. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 08:16:38 2003 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'cschelin@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Nissan Pavilion Spam -- Lawn seats Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:15:23 -0400 Occasionally I work for the guy that sets up the lawn seating. There were no lawn seats for ZZ Top... for 2 reasons 1. ZZ Top only draws about 10,000 2. The week before the lawn was trashed by the crowd and needed a quick sod job and recovery. gb From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Fwd: Free Tickets Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:04:58 -0400 On Tuesday 13 May 2003 19:22, Aki Damme wrote: > sorry folks, I just read this message when I got home. > That's ok. They were lawn seats anyway. I've seen the lawn seats. That was the third strike as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for posting. Carl George M. Bruhl Project Officer, G-AND National Distress and Response Modernization Project Phone: 202.267.2020 Fax: 202.493.7002 Page: 866.259.6029 http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-a/ndrsmp/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 08:32:02 2003 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'lurking444@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: My 2cents (isn't there a "cents" key anymore?) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:30:52 -0400 The weight difference is minimal. Check the specs. There are a variety of opinions on this list concerning what your choices should be based upon riding experience. Talk with Witold, I can recall quite a bit of list action when he was shopping around. 600cc is generally a good choice, as long as you are maintain a high level of concentration during your first couple of years on the mount. "Bikes and Planes are serious "toys" which require your undivided attention" - Harrison Ford (ST1100) The antiquated HURT report stated that 90% of MC accidents happen to riders with less than 1 year of experience. And a large portion of that percentage is inebriate related (alcohol, controlled substances, prescription (allegra)). Plus today's mature technology in the sport bike category actually (IMHO) make them safer than a slower ride from yesteryear (I have one). Braking is MUCH better, Frame geometrics and handling are MUCH better, bits and pieces are MUCH better... Forks, Tires.... you name it, the bikes today are MUCH safer then those of 10 or 20 years ago.. They accelerate faster and will get you into trouble MUCH faster... but that's the rider not the machinery. And, many times it's the riders not riding responsibly or not keeping a state of focus when they should be, especially in traffic. I see very little mechanical failure as the cause of accidents... it's usually operator error. And that's my humble opinion. Hey Guys and Ladies, Thank you for all the information. A lot of it I have heard before, but it's good to be reminded. One of the reasons I was looking for a bike 600cc and under is that they are lighter (generally) than a bigger displacement bike. I used a Nighthawk 250 in MSF class and loved it (albiet I never got above about 30mph). Of course, I have nothing to compare it to, so it doesn't really mean jack. I've been contacted by a number of members of this group to offer some options. Some of my current options are (most around $1500): From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 08:35:46 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 05:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson Subject: Memorial Day Weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX As many of you know there is the annual Rolling Thunder ride into DC during Memorial day weekend. I've never been, but I have a few guys that I'm gonna be riding down with this year. We're just gonna ride down in a small group (3-5 and whoever wants to join). If any of you are interested, let me know and we can work out a meeting point/time. Thanks, Nick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 09:04:38 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:03:39 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Nick Thompson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Memorial Day Weekend Leave at the cracka dawn or you'll be jammed up in an incredable amount of traffic. Nick Thompson wrote: > As many of you know there is the annual Rolling > Thunder ride into DC during Memorial day weekend. > I've never been, but I have a few guys that I'm gonna > be riding down with this year. We're just gonna ride > down in a small group (3-5 and whoever wants to join). > If any of you are interested, let me know and we can > work out a meeting point/time. > > Thanks, > > Nick > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 09:07:07 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 06:06:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson Subject: Re: Memorial Day Weekend To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, that was the plan. I'm not sure when exactly, but we're heading down very early. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Leave at the cracka dawn or you'll be jammed up in > an incredable amount > of traffic. > > Nick Thompson wrote: > > > As many of you know there is the annual Rolling > > Thunder ride into DC during Memorial day weekend. > > I've never been, but I have a few guys that I'm > gonna > > be riding down with this year. We're just gonna > ride > > down in a small group (3-5 and whoever wants to > join). > > If any of you are interested, let me know and we > can > > work out a meeting point/time. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 09:08:18 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'darkle@XXXXXX'" Subject: FS: Triumph Daytona Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:10:46 -0400 Guy on SabMag got the VStrom bug and is selling his Daytona. Looks like a deal. Contact him: Dave Arkle If you're interested or want info lemme know. www.expertfriend.com/1200.htm Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 09:10:30 2003 From: To: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'lurking444@XXXXXX'" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: My 2cents (isn't there a "cents" key anymore?) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 9:10:23 -0400 > > From: "Bruhl, George LT" > Date: 2003/05/15 Thu AM 08:30:52 EDT > To: "'lurking444@XXXXXX'" > CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: My 2cents (isn't there a "cents" key anymore?) > > The weight difference is minimal. > Check the specs. > Also keep in mind that engine size isn't necessarily indicative of horsepower. Many 600cc sport bikes have more power than the average rider will ever use to its full potential. However, the same size cc bike on a cruiser may, and usually does, have much less horsepower since the engine and bike wasn't necessarily designed for power/speed. So, getting a 700-800cc cruiser may be a slightly larger bike but it may not be nearly as fast as a 600cc sport bike. So, I would recommend not being totally locked into cc size, but more of the *type* of bike it is. Many 600cc sport bikes will blow the doors off of cruisers with twice the engine size. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 09:30:48 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:29:47 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: adamme1@XXXXXX CC: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'lurking444@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: My 2cents (isn't there a "cents" key anymore?) adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > So, I would recommend not being totally locked into cc size, but more of the *type* of bike it is. Many 600cc sport bikes will blow the doors off of cruisers with twice the engine size. > > -aki True. I suspect a petite rider on a Ninja 250 could stomp the pee out of my Harley bagger in a drag race. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 09:43:53 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:43:25 -0400 From: Skip To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [Fwd: FS: My V65 Sabre] note that this would NOT fit the bill of an 'inexpensive first bike' :~) Skip Smith wrote: > > >From another list... > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [SABMAG] FS: My V65 Sabre (probably) > Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:01:18 -0400 > From: Dave Arkle > Reply-To: Dave Arkle > To: SABMAG@XXXXXX > References: <005c01c31a6b$2684b500$9701a8c0@MINIME> > > Sorry to SPAM my FS ad (ok, I'm not that sorry :) but I put up a web > page > real quick-like so that if any of you know a possible interested party, > you > can just give the URL. > > http://www.expertfriend.com/sabre.htm > > the quick and dirty: > 84 V65 Sabre, good condition, $1500 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 09:59:09 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: DC-Cycles Tire Changer Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:57:00 -0400 Question. What brand tire change is it that the group owns? Price? Thinking of getting one for us Winchester riders. Looking at a COATS 220 right now. I'd be interested in a used one if you know of anyone selling. Gary Foreman TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 10:50:33 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Bruhl, George LT'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: My 2cents (isn't there a "cents" key anymore?) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:49:40 -0400 Actually, there is a "cents" key...kinda. It's Alt+0162 (as in, hold down the Alt key while then pressing 0 then 1 then 6 then 2, then letting go of the Alt key). It looks like this: )B¢ Just my 2 )B¢ :-) Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 11:57:03 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:54:41 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: lisagoddard@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD Motorcycle Parking X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.157.71.250] at Thu, 15 May 2003 10:56:51 -0500 lisagoddard@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anyone know the specifics on the bill revising the rules of motorcycle > parking? > > Ehrlich Signs Bills On Deficit and DUI > Laws Among 150 Adopted in Annapolis > > By Nelson Hernandez and Craig Whitlock > Washington Post Staff Writers > Wednesday, May 14, 2003; Page B05 > > Maryland Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. yesterday signed into law about 150 bills > passed by the General Assembly during its recent legislative session, including > measures to balance the state's budget and toughen penalties for drunk drivers. > > Most of the laws bring minor changes to the state code, such as a bill revising > the rules for motorcycle parking and another lifting a ban on electronic pagers > on school property on the Eastern Shore and in Baltimore. > (snip) > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com > > Lisa, Here ya' go. You can thank Patrick Corcoran of the Anne Arundle County A.B.A.T.E. on this one. HB923 was sign into law on May 13, 2003 which allows more than one motorcycle to park in a single metered space. If you go to this web site http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/Signings/signed.htm#0513 , you will find the following. HB923 is 14 from the bottom. Pat On May 13, 2003, the Honorable Robert L. Ehrlich, Jr., Governor; the Honorable Thomas V. Mike Miller, Jr., President of the Senate; and the Honorable Michael E. Busch, Speaker of the House of Delegates, signed the following pieces of legislation which you passed: HB 923 Chapter 342 Vehicle Laws -- Local Regulation of Parking -- Motorcycles Prohibiting a political subdivision, in the exercise of its authority to regulate parking, from adopting or enforcing an ordinance or regulation that prohibits the parking of more than one motorcycle in a space served by a single parking meter. Delegate Owings From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 13:11:25 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:11:26 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Beware of falling cows Beware of falling cows: 20 dairy cows tumble from cliff in Marin All but 3 merely 'dazed and confused' after fall http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/05/15/BA206173.DTL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 21:53:23 2003 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Great Website Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:44:37 -0400 Here's a great website that every wrench-turnin' bike-riden shade-tree mechie needs to take a look at. Not poser territory. gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 21:54:11 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:12:18 EDT Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/14/2003 7:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > ...I'd be interested to know how one would "modify" the trailers and > add > little to the cost. If you're talking about a *new* design, the cost > may > be not be substantial Thanks for answering your own question. The cost would be _far_ less then continuing to repair roads that are being destroyed at a rate that no one, not even the worst critics of the interstate system ever imagined and the primary cause is trucks. Two modifications need to be made. Wheels and tires: to allow more wheels at lower psi. to reduce and spread the load over a wider area. Pivoting wheel carriers: much of the damage done by trucks (especially on rural and areas with small radius turns) is caused by the twisting shear created by sets of locked axels following different arcs, only one axel should be solid the rest need to pivot (like the front wheels on a shopping cart.) Cement trucks in Las Vegas were set up this way so it can be done. > but what do with do with the millions already > on the > road? A trade in program? Who would foot the bill? Nothings > free. Good god, did I say to do it over night? That would be impossible, _ATTRITION_ Just like changes to cars you require that all _new_ trailers manufactured after a certain date meet the new standards. Attrition would be speeded up by regular and proper safety inspections, something we should have been doing all along. And hell the damn things need a complete re-do right now even if we ignore highway damage. The brakes are primitive hard to use and useless when hot (BTW I have driven tractor trailers) and there are lots of other problems that need to be taken care of. > they can certainly follow the rules of the road and still be a menace > to motorized > traffic. So can we. They are required to follow the rules of the road just like everyone else, if they do not, nail their asses. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 21:55:33 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:42:18 EDT Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/15/2003 9:42:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > we had 6 weeks of class. Like I said, we went the whole school year just like a regular class. 6 weeks aint enough. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 22:02:03 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Tire Changer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gary, The "group" doesn't own a tire changer, if by that you mean dc-cycles. The one you're referring to is owned by several individuals on the list and they share it among themselves. I believe it's a Harbor Freight tire changer. I have one myself. They go for about $40 for the main unit (for car tires) and $40 for the motorcycle tire attachment. Chris Weaver --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Question. What brand tire change is it that the > group owns? Price? > Thinking of getting one for us Winchester riders. > Looking at a COATS 220 > right now. I'd be interested in a used one if you > know of anyone selling. > > > Gary Foreman > TL Owners Club > http://www.tl1000.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 22:03:31 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:39:26 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beware of falling cows The sky is falling! The sky is falling! =8-0 Scooter In a message dated 5/15/2003 12:11:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Beware of falling cows: > > 20 dairy cows tumble from cliff in Marin > All but 3 merely 'dazed and confused' after fall > > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/05/15/BA20 > 6173.DTL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 22:04:56 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:58:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Beware of falling cows To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Beware of falling cows: > > 20 dairy cows tumble from cliff in Marin > All but 3 merely 'dazed and confused' after fall > > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/05/15/BA206173.DTL Wow, reminds me of the worse experience I ever had on a motorcycle. (Don't read on if you are squeemish) I was riding in the Feast in the East, and heading back to the rally site. I was going eastbound on I-40, where it gets very twisty in Tennessee, just before the North Carolina line. About half way through, the traffic just stopped. 45 minutes later we crawled on and saw what happened. A tractor trailer must have gone too fast, or someone cut him off. The truck was over turned, half of it (the top half) was over the jersey barrier. It's contents was littered all over the highway, on both sides. Yep, it was full of cows. Most were dead, or at least weren't moving. The police pulled a bunch of them so there was one lane of traffic going through on each side. When I went through, I saw one cow under a few others trying to lift its head up. Dinner that night was supposed to be BBQ. I lost my appitite. When I posted about it on a list soon afterwards, someone e-mailed me and said a little later they got a person to go through and put the cows that were injured out of their misery. I just thank goodness that I can't remember the sceane in graphic detail, as I probably wouldn't be able to eat meat anymore. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 22:23:16 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:22:20 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just graduated from MSF new rider's course PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 5/15/2003 9:42:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX > writes: > > > we had 6 weeks of class. > > Like I said, we went the whole school year just like a regular class. 6 weeks > aint enough. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX A whole year of driver ed? Wow. I seem to recall way less than that, like a half semester that replaced gym class - yippee! Buncha classroom crap and 18 hours behind the wheel with a minimum of 6 on a standard shift. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 23:02:26 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Chris Weaver" , Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Tire Changer Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:02:36 -0400 No, the "group" tire changer is a Coates 220. No offense, but it's head and shoulders above the Harbor Freight in terms of quality, durability and ease of use. It has a heavy duty center spindle and a big ole lever, and that makes all the difference. That and lots of "tire snot." :) There really is no comparison; I've used both. Paul in DC, satisfied group tire changer share owner since 2002 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Tire Changer > Gary, > > The "group" doesn't own a tire changer, if by that you > mean dc-cycles. The one you're referring to is owned > by several individuals on the list and they share it > among themselves. I believe it's a Harbor Freight tire > changer. I have one myself. They go for about $40 for > the main unit (for car tires) and $40 for the > motorcycle tire attachment. > > Chris Weaver > > --- Gary Foreman wrote: > > Question. What brand tire change is it that the > > group owns? Price? > > Thinking of getting one for us Winchester riders. > > Looking at a COATS 220 > > right now. I'd be interested in a used one if you > > know of anyone selling. > > > > > > Gary Foreman > > TL Owners Club > > http://www.tl1000.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 15 23:27:05 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:19:11 -0400 From: Randy Moran Subject: Re: My 2cents (isn't there a "cents" key anymore?) To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" On a Macinsquash it looks like you have to press option+4 to get the )B¢ character. For any Mac-heads who don't know already... RPM On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 10:49 AM, Michael Lynch wrote: > Actually, there is a "cents" key...kinda. It's Alt+0162 (as in, > hold down the Alt key while then pressing 0 then 1 then 6 then 2, then > letting go of the Alt key). It looks like this: )B¢ > > Just my 2 )B¢ > > :-) > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 09:10:50 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:10:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Tire Changer To: Paul Wilson Cc: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Paul Wilson wrote: > > No, the "group" tire changer is a Coates 220. No offense, but it's head and > shoulders above the Harbor Freight in terms of quality, durability and ease > of use. It has a heavy duty center spindle and a big ole lever, and that > makes all the difference. That and lots of "tire snot." :) There really > is no comparison; I've used both. > > Paul in DC, satisfied group tire changer share owner since 2002 > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 Yep, I dare say I've gotten more than my money's worth out of that group tire changer. It rocks. Hork, happy share owner too -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 09:15:04 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:14:45 EDT Subject: Re: Beware of falling cows To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/15/2003 10:05:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: > Wow, reminds me of the worse experience I ever had on a motorcycle. (Don't > read on if you are squeemish) Dead cows? Just high volume road kill. Now following pig trucks after rain. THAT is gross. Never saw the trucks themselves, but I swear to heaven the left lane was pinkish in color with pig (no other word for it) SHIT. The only reason I did not pull over to puke is that it would have required stopping in the middle of it. _Beware_ western Carolina or Virginia during pig season. Fair warning to the newbies on the list _NEVER_ never, never tailgate a cattle/horse trailer. That aint water running out of the back. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 09:18:08 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 06:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Riding this AM To: DC Cycles Was it someone on the list riding in this morning during the torrential downpour? Suzuki 850, fairing, soft bags. Rider was wearing a blue & orange rainsuit. On the Franconia-Springfield Parkway heading (I assume) west to the 95 HOV lane. The rain was bad enough in my grand cherokee, I can only imagine what it was like on a bike. Brian '80 kz440 ltd starter bike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 09:57:01 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 06:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Tire Changer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My apologies! I do know how *ahem* cheap the Harbor Freight one is. Chris --- Paul Wilson wrote: > No, the "group" tire changer is a Coates 220. No > offense, but it's head and > shoulders above the Harbor Freight [snip] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 10:18:45 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Tire Changer Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:18:02 -0400 However, no matter how cheap in price something is, it doesn't necessarily make it any less effective. I've changed everything from 33" off-road tires to ATV tires on the HF changer and don't have a single bad thing to say about it. The key is mounting it securely; in my case, on a 4'x4' x )B¾" piece of plywood with handles cut out around the edge. Portable and stable. So far, it's logged about 30 car changes, ~6 MC changes, and ~10 ATV changes. The fact that it's $39 and free shipping to your door, one person can move it (into the rafters of their garage), and it resides in *your* workshop makes it a screaming value. And it works. Well. Not that I wouldn't mind having the Coats, but cost/convenience/space make it questionable. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Weaver [SMTP:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Tire Changer > > My apologies! I do know how *ahem* cheap the Harbor > Freight one is. > > Chris > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > No, the "group" tire changer is a Coates 220. No > > offense, but it's head and > > shoulders above the Harbor Freight [snip] > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 10:20:22 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:20:19 -0400 (EDT) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Great Website Uh ... George, what website would that be??? -------Original Message------- From: "Bruhl, George LT" Sent: 05/15/03 04:44 PM To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Great Website > > Here's a great website that every wrench-turnin' bike-riden shade-tree mechie needs to take a look at. Not poser territory. gb > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 10:32:14 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Riding this AM To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles i rode this am, but that wasn't me you saw; i was supposed to ride to Kingwood, WVa this evening, but i'm not so sure ... --- Brian Ray wrote: > Was it someone on the list riding in this morning > during the torrential downpour? > > Suzuki 850, fairing, soft bags. Rider was wearing a > blue & orange rainsuit. On the > Franconia-Springfield > Parkway heading (I assume) west to the 95 HOV lane. > > The rain was bad enough in my grand cherokee, I can > only imagine what it was like on a bike. > > Brian > '80 kz440 ltd starter bike > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 10:33:39 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:27:49 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Bob Meyer Subject: Suzuki 850 owner on list? At 06:17 AM 5/16/03 -0700, Brian Ray wrote: >Was it someone on the list riding in this morning >during the torrential downpour? > >Suzuki 850, fairing, soft bags. Rider was wearing a >blue & orange rainsuit. On the Franconia-Springfield >Parkway heading (I assume) west to the 95 HOV lane. > >The rain was bad enough in my grand cherokee, I can >only imagine. I saw (probably the same) a Suzuki 850 last week crossing the Teddy Roosevelt bridge, with soft bags. If the owner is on the list, I'd just like to say that sight brought back memories. I put about 70000 miles on an 850, hitting about 35 of the 48 contiguous states. I wish I still had it (But no, I'm not offering to buy yours. My wife would kill me if I bought another bike.) Bob Meyer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 11:44:01 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Tire Changer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX As an owner of the HF tire-changer as well I thought I could comment too. I mounted mine, initially, to the concrete floor. Great stuff! But now that my garage is a rental storage unit I mounted it to a largish piece of old wooden pallet. It does the job. I've only found the beadbreaker base to be of any use. The top "MC specific" has it's merits if like you want to have a stable and secure means of working on a wheel (like cleaning it, pulling/seating bearings). I've never found it useful for working beads off though because it's simply too high. What with having to keep stepping on the bead to keep it free and the leverage needed for MC tires, I work MUCH better on the floor with the rim sitting on scraps of 2x4. ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 12:04:26 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:47:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Tire Changer At 10:18 AM 5/16/2003, Michael Lynch wrote: > The fact that it's $39 and free shipping to your door, one person >can move it (into the rafters of their garage), and it resides in *your* >workshop makes it a screaming value. And it works. Well. You just inspired me to order one. HF has good deals on some air tools as well. I'm putting a nice little order together. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 12:17:09 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:17:12 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Beware of falling cows ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Fair warning to the newbies on the list _NEVER_ never, never tailgate a >cattle/horse trailer. That aint water running out of the back. I'll second that. And don't take too long passing a truck of livestock either - it's amazing the distance those beasts can squirt. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 13:16:28 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:16:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Beware of falling cows To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Norloff wrote: > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > >Fair warning to the newbies on the list _NEVER_ never, > never tailgate a > >cattle/horse trailer. That aint water running out of the > back. > > I'll second that. And don't take too long passing a truck > of livestock either - it's amazing the distance those > beasts can squirt. It's not just a liquid hazard. On our Hartman horse trailer, when the back flap wasn't on in warmer weather, the back end of the horses just below the tail (if you get my drift) was about four inches *above* the top of the tailgate. You *don't* wanna see equine explosive diarrhea from astern. When the tail goes up, back off. Way off! -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 19:36:10 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Sears Redux. Well, I'm now officially employed as a Tool Consultant at the Bowie Sears, making a whopping $9/hr and enjoying a spine-tingling 10% employee discount. Carburetors everywhere are, I am sure, quivering in anticipation. So if any of you were thinking of picking up some Sears tools, drop me a private email and I'll, uh, give you my sales pitch. Or something. Fish. they don't let you wear jeans -- suck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 22:15:43 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: FS: Can anyone use this battery?? Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:15:52 -0400 Well, I screwed up and brought the wrong battery home from Wal-Mart. Turns out the polarity is reversed from what I need for the VF500F. Unfortunately, I didn't notice it until the battery was half full of electrolyte and Wal-Mart won't take it back. Part # ES10LA2, by Everstart. 10 Amp-hr, positive terminal is on the right as you face the front of the battery. It's all set up. And I'll throw it on the charger for you. Make offer. Unfortunately Everstart doesn't have an on-line fitment guide. The battery maps to a Yuasa which fits the following. YB10L-A2 Motorcycle Make CC Model Year Gilera 350 Dakota E-Starter All Years Gilera 350 ER E-Starter All Years Gilera 500 Dakota E-Starter All Years Kawasaki 250 KZ250 CSR, LTD 1980 - 1983 Kawasaki 305 KZ305 CSR, LTD 1981 - 1988 Kawasaki 650 KZ650 SR, LTD, Custom 1977 - 1980 Kawasaki 900 KZ900, LTD 1976 - 1977 Suzuki 250 GN250 1982 - 1988 Suzuki 250 GS250T 1980 - 1981 Suzuki 400 GS400 1977 - 1978 Suzuki 425 GS425, GS425E, L 1979 Suzuki 450 GS450 1980 - 1982 Suzuki 550 GS550E, L, M, TX 1977 - 1982 Suzuki 650 GS650E 1981 - 1982 Yamaha 250 XV250 Route 66 1988 - 1990 Yamaha 250 XV250 Virago 1995 - 2003 Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 16 22:17:04 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Anyone interested in a new Suomy Helmet? Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:16:56 -0400 At cost + Shipping if you are interested. I only need a few more orders for my club to do this. Let me know! We plan to order them Monday. http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/suomy.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 17 08:14:28 2003 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Maryland Motorcycle Parking Bill (HB923/SB650) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 08:28:43 -0400 FYI: Motorcycle Parking Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: ABATE: Maryland Motorcycle Parking Bill (HB923/SB650) > House Bill 923 and Senate Bill 650 were signed in to law on May 13, 2003. > > These bills prohibit local jurisdictions from enforcing limits on the number > of motorcycles that can be parked in a metered parking space. Prior to > these bills some jurisdictions, most notably Ocean City and Annapolis, would > ticket all motorcycles in a metered space if there were more than two > motorcycles parked in a space. The new law removes the limit, makes > motorcycle parking regulations more consistent throughout the state, and > allows motorcycle riders to benefit from the fact that they ride space and > fuel efficient vehicles. > > This law will not go in to effect until October 1, 2003. So it's anybody's > guess whether or not Ocean City and others will continue to enforce the > current law throughout the summer. > > Delegate George Owings and Senator John Astle were the primary sponsors for > these bills. Both of them ride motorcycles. > > Three members from ABATE of Maryland, Inc. attended the bill signing > ceremony on May 13, 2003. > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 17 09:19:11 2003 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: After-Hours Motorcycle (Class M) License Skills Testing Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:33:24 -0400 FYI: MVA after hours testing program. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:36 AM Subject: ABATE: After-Hours Motorcycle (Class M) License Skills Testing > The information in this message is about a new program developed by the > Maryland MVA. MVA personnel requested assistance with getting information > to Maryland motorcycle riders about the new after-hours motorcycle licensing > program. The message below explains the program and provides a link to the > MVA web site. > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.mva.state.md.us/MVAProg/MOTO/AfterHours.htm > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > After-Hours Motorcycle (Class M) > License Skills Testing > A recent analysis of Maryland motorcycle crashes indicated that almost > two-thirds of the riders were improperly licensed to operate a motorcycle. > Some researchers calculate that unlicensed operators are almost five times > more likely to be involved in a fatal crash. > > Although being properly licensed will not ensure that a rider is crash free, > Maryland law requires individuals operating a motorcycle have a valid Class > M license. In an effort to address some of these concerns, the Motor Vehicle > Administration (MVA) will be pilot testing an after-hours motorcycle license > skill test program. This after-hours skill test program will be offered > between June 10th and September 30th at the four MVA offices listed below. > > > > Class M After-Hours Testing Locations > Frederick MVA > 1601 Bowmans Farm Rd. > Frederick, MD 21701 > Glen Burnie MVA > 6601 Ritchie Highway, NE > Glen Burnie, MD 21062 > Hagerstown MVA > 18306 Col. Henry K. Douglas Dr. > Hagerstown, MD 21740 Waldorf MVA > 11 Industrial Park Dr. > Waldorf, MD 20602 > > > > > Class M Testing Hours and Days > The Class M after-hours testing will be done on Tuesday and Wednesday > evenings from 6:00pm to 8:00pm beginning June 10th and ending September > 30th. Individuals interested in participating in this after-hours test must > schedule a testing appointment. The MVA will not test anyone who does not > have a testing appointment. > > > > How to Schedule a Testing Appointment > To schedule an after-hours test appointment, please call the Motorcycle > Safety Program at 1-800-638-1722 (inside Maryland only) or 1-410-508-2436 > Monday through Friday (except holidays) between the hours of 8:30am and > 4:00pm. Tell the operator you are interested in participating in the > after-hours test; give your name, a daytime telephone number, your driver's > license number and the location where you would like to take the test. You > will be scheduled based on the availability of testing times and your > preferred location. There is no additional test fee for the after-hours > Class M testing program. > > > > Testing Requirements > In order to participate in the after-hours test, you must: > 1.. Have held a valid Maryland Class M Learner's Permit for at least 15 > days; > 2.. Wear the appropriate protective riding gear > a.. A DOT certified helmet > b.. Approved eye protection > c.. Full fingered gloves > d.. Long sleeve jacket or shirt > e.. Long pants > f.. Over the ankle sturdy shoes > 3.. Have the motorcycle that you are testing on legally transported to the > testing site. > Individuals under the age of 18 must show documentation of completing the > required basic rider education course and driver education before they may > be tested. If you have never held a driver's license and the Class M will be > your initial license you must complete the Graduated Licensing System (GLS) > requirements. The GLS requirements are on the MVA website at > www.rookiedriver.com > > > > Information on the Testing Motorcycle > You are encouraged to use your own legally registered motorcycle for this > Class M testing. There are several methods that you may use to have your > motorcycle transported to the testing site: > > 1.. You may ride your motorcycle to the testing site provided you are > accompanied by a supervising rider that has held a valid Class M license for > at least three years and is 21 years of age or older. > 2.. Have a currently licensed motorcyclist ride your motorcycle to the > test site. > 3.. Transport your motorcycle in a trailer or truck and have the examiner > observe the removal of the motorcycle from the trailer or truck. > You may elect to use an MVA training motorcycle for the test. The training > motorcycle is a 250 cc Rebel or Nighthawk. Individuals electing to use a > training motorcycle must request one when they make their test appointment > and will be required to sign a waiver indicating they may be responsible for > any damage to the motorcycle that occurs during the test. If you are under > the age of 18, your parent or guardian will also be required to sign this > waiver. > > > > Class M Licensing Skills Test > The Class M licensing skills test includes 7 testing exercises: > a.. Slow ride > b.. U-turn > c.. Sharp right turn > d.. Cone weave > e.. Shifting > f.. Stopping in a box > g.. Quick stop > To successfully pass the skills test, you may not accumulate more than 12 > penalty points. If you fail the skills test you may reschedule another > after-hours testing appointment by calling 1-800-638-1722 or 410-508-2436. > > Individuals passing the licensing skills test will receive a certificate > that must be taken to the MVA branch office where the individual's Class M > application is on file. This certificate is not a license and it is not a > temporary authority to operate a motorcycle until you obtain the Class M > license. The certificate will be valid for 45 calendar days from the date of > issue and the expiration date will not be extended for any reason. If you > lose your certificate it will not be replaced. > > For further information about this test or to make an appointment for > testing, please call 1-800-638-1722 (inside Maryland only) or 410-508-2436. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 17 09:19:26 2003 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: After-Hours Motorcycle (Class M) License Skills Testing Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:33:40 -0400 FYI: MVA after hours testing program ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:36 AM Subject: ABATE: After-Hours Motorcycle (Class M) License Skills Testing > The information in this message is about a new program developed by the > Maryland MVA. MVA personnel requested assistance with getting information > to Maryland motorcycle riders about the new after-hours motorcycle licensing > program. The message below explains the program and provides a link to the > MVA web site. > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.mva.state.md.us/MVAProg/MOTO/AfterHours.htm > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > After-Hours Motorcycle (Class M) > License Skills Testing > A recent analysis of Maryland motorcycle crashes indicated that almost > two-thirds of the riders were improperly licensed to operate a motorcycle. > Some researchers calculate that unlicensed operators are almost five times > more likely to be involved in a fatal crash. > > Although being properly licensed will not ensure that a rider is crash free, > Maryland law requires individuals operating a motorcycle have a valid Class > M license. In an effort to address some of these concerns, the Motor Vehicle > Administration (MVA) will be pilot testing an after-hours motorcycle license > skill test program. This after-hours skill test program will be offered > between June 10th and September 30th at the four MVA offices listed below. > > > > Class M After-Hours Testing Locations > Frederick MVA > 1601 Bowmans Farm Rd. > Frederick, MD 21701 > Glen Burnie MVA > 6601 Ritchie Highway, NE > Glen Burnie, MD 21062 > Hagerstown MVA > 18306 Col. Henry K. Douglas Dr. > Hagerstown, MD 21740 Waldorf MVA > 11 Industrial Park Dr. > Waldorf, MD 20602 > > > > > Class M Testing Hours and Days > The Class M after-hours testing will be done on Tuesday and Wednesday > evenings from 6:00pm to 8:00pm beginning June 10th and ending September > 30th. Individuals interested in participating in this after-hours test must > schedule a testing appointment. The MVA will not test anyone who does not > have a testing appointment. > > > > How to Schedule a Testing Appointment > To schedule an after-hours test appointment, please call the Motorcycle > Safety Program at 1-800-638-1722 (inside Maryland only) or 1-410-508-2436 > Monday through Friday (except holidays) between the hours of 8:30am and > 4:00pm. Tell the operator you are interested in participating in the > after-hours test; give your name, a daytime telephone number, your driver's > license number and the location where you would like to take the test. You > will be scheduled based on the availability of testing times and your > preferred location. There is no additional test fee for the after-hours > Class M testing program. > > > > Testing Requirements > In order to participate in the after-hours test, you must: > 1.. Have held a valid Maryland Class M Learner's Permit for at least 15 > days; > 2.. Wear the appropriate protective riding gear > a.. A DOT certified helmet > b.. Approved eye protection > c.. Full fingered gloves > d.. Long sleeve jacket or shirt > e.. Long pants > f.. Over the ankle sturdy shoes > 3.. Have the motorcycle that you are testing on legally transported to the > testing site. > Individuals under the age of 18 must show documentation of completing the > required basic rider education course and driver education before they may > be tested. If you have never held a driver's license and the Class M will be > your initial license you must complete the Graduated Licensing System (GLS) > requirements. The GLS requirements are on the MVA website at > www.rookiedriver.com > > > > Information on the Testing Motorcycle > You are encouraged to use your own legally registered motorcycle for this > Class M testing. There are several methods that you may use to have your > motorcycle transported to the testing site: > > 1.. You may ride your motorcycle to the testing site provided you are > accompanied by a supervising rider that has held a valid Class M license for > at least three years and is 21 years of age or older. > 2.. Have a currently licensed motorcyclist ride your motorcycle to the > test site. > 3.. Transport your motorcycle in a trailer or truck and have the examiner > observe the removal of the motorcycle from the trailer or truck. > You may elect to use an MVA training motorcycle for the test. The training > motorcycle is a 250 cc Rebel or Nighthawk. Individuals electing to use a > training motorcycle must request one when they make their test appointment > and will be required to sign a waiver indicating they may be responsible for > any damage to the motorcycle that occurs during the test. If you are under > the age of 18, your parent or guardian will also be required to sign this > waiver. > > > > Class M Licensing Skills Test > The Class M licensing skills test includes 7 testing exercises: > a.. Slow ride > b.. U-turn > c.. Sharp right turn > d.. Cone weave > e.. Shifting > f.. Stopping in a box > g.. Quick stop > To successfully pass the skills test, you may not accumulate more than 12 > penalty points. If you fail the skills test you may reschedule another > after-hours testing appointment by calling 1-800-638-1722 or 410-508-2436. > > Individuals passing the licensing skills test will receive a certificate > that must be taken to the MVA branch office where the individual's Class M > application is on file. This certificate is not a license and it is not a > temporary authority to operate a motorcycle until you obtain the Class M > license. The certificate will be valid for 45 calendar days from the date of > issue and the expiration date will not be extended for any reason. If you > lose your certificate it will not be replaced. > > For further information about this test or to make an appointment for > testing, please call 1-800-638-1722 (inside Maryland only) or 410-508-2436. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 18 08:14:28 2003 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 08:14:13 -0400 From: Randy Moran Subject: Bikers in the News To: DC Cycles http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/05/17/biker.deaths.ap/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 18 11:51:40 2003 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 08:51:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: LDRider: 2003 Hopeless Results (fwd) Congrats to our very own Leon Begeman for his secon-dplace finish in the 2003 Hopeless. Leon, you're a nut. :) Fish. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 18 May 2003 09:54:17 -0500 From: Bob Ray To: ldrider Subject: LDRider: 2003 Hopeless Results 1st. Duke Dunsford, Kawasaki 250, 1353 miles, 12068 points 2nd. Leon Begeman, Kawasaki 250, 1361 miles, 11478 points 3rd. Tom Wheeler, Kawasaki 500, 1247 miles, 6917 points 4th Randy Logan, Suzuki DR350, 1134, 6181 points 4th Geoffrey Greene, Suzuki GS450, 1147, 6181 points DNF Andrew Duthie Andrew called in from North Georgia. He made a wrong turn (in the rain and fog at night) and couldn't make it back in time, but he's ok. -- Bob Ray --------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send a message to: ldrider-unsubscribe@XXXXXX --------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 18 18:27:33 2003 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 15:26:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Noe Subject: # of rear view mirrors to pass MD Inspection? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX First post to the list. I Live in Rockville. I have this odd bird of a '86 Yamaha SRX600S. It has only one mirror, on the left. Does MD require 2? Thanks and cheers. Steve __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 18 19:07:47 2003 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 16:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: # of rear view mirrors to pass MD Inspection? To: Steve Noe Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Steve Noe wrote: > First post to the list. I Live in Rockville. > I have this odd bird of a '86 Yamaha SRX600S. It has > only one mirror, on the left. Does MD require 2? > > Thanks and cheers. short answer: yes. longer answer: only if the inspector fails you. longest answer: TITLE 11. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SUBTITLE 13. MOTOR VEHICLE ADMINISTRATION--VEHICLE EQUIPMENT CHAPTER 05. MOTORCYCLES COMAR 11.13.05.04 (2003) .04 Rearview Mirrors on Motorcycles. Under the provisions of Transportation Article, )B§ 22-403, Annotated Code of Maryland, every motorcycle shall be equipped with two rearview mirrors, one each attached either to the right and left handlebars or to the right and left sides of the motorcycle fairing, and on and after July 1, 1973 shall meet the following standards: A. The mirror shall be securely mounted and sufficiently stable to provide a readily distinguishable image to the rider under normal conditions; B. The mirror shall be regular in shape (circular, oval, rectangular, or square) and may not contain sharp edges, projections, or irregular indents capable of producing injury; C. The reflective surface of the mirror shall be of a size not less than 7 square inches and shall be capable of reflecting a view of the highway for a distance of at least 200 feet to the rear of the vehicle on which it is mounted; D. The mirror assembly shall be capable of adjustment within a range that will reflect an image that includes at least the horizon and the road surface 35 feet to the rear of the vehicle on which it is mounted. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 18 19:35:19 2003 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:33:15 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Tom Gimer CC: Steve Noe , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: # of rear view mirrors to pass MD Inspection? X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [141.157.66.228] at Sun, 18 May 2003 18:35:06 -0500 Tom Gimer wrote: Tom, Where did you find this? Was it online? I'm trying to find out the Md. laws concerning auxiliary lighting for motorcycles. The last time I looked they were illegal if considered "distracting, " but that link is no longer any good. I'd like to do some work with A.B.A.T.E. to get that changed. If the lighting is "distracting" at least were being seen. Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director The Suzuki Owners Club -USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 TITLE 11. DEPARTMENT OF > TRANSPORTATION > SUBTITLE 13. MOTOR VEHICLE ADMINISTRATION--VEHICLE > EQUIPMENT > CHAPTER 05. MOTORCYCLES > > COMAR 11.13.05.04 (2003) > > .04 Rearview Mirrors on Motorcycles. > > Under the provisions of Transportation Article, )B§ > 22-403, Annotated Code of Maryland, every motorcycle shall > be equipped with two rearview mirrors, one each attached > either to the right and left handlebars or to the right and > left sides of the motorcycle fairing, and on and after July > 1, 1973 shall meet the following standards: > > A. The mirror shall be securely mounted and sufficiently > stable to provide a readily distinguishable image to the > rider under normal conditions; > > B. The mirror shall be regular in shape (circular, oval, > rectangular, or square) and may not contain sharp edges, > projections, or irregular indents capable of producing > injury; > > C. The reflective surface of the mirror shall be of a size > not less than 7 square inches and shall be capable of > reflecting a view of the highway for a distance of at least > 200 feet to the rear of the vehicle on which it is mounted; > > D. The mirror assembly shall be capable of adjustment > within a range that will reflect an image that includes at > least the horizon and the road surface 35 feet to the rear > of the vehicle on which it is mounted. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 18 23:39:45 2003 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 20:39:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Lurking Subject: My new motorcycle. Bought this weekend. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I bought a 1986 Yamaha Radian 600. It's a fun bike. I rode it back from the outskirts of Frederick, MD on 270, 495, and 66. It was my first ride. Wow, it was a learning experience, and rather wet too. But what a thrill, I don't think anything I've experience in recent memories beat the totally new experience of cruising down the road on my new bike. Such a different perspective than cage driving. I almost feel like I can't go back to automobiles. Which there were more cyclists out there. Cage drivers are deadly... -Kipp. ===== "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland." -Adolf Hitler __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 19 00:12:55 2003 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:18:48 -0400 From: Rob Sharp Subject: Re: My new motorcycle. Bought this weekend. To: Lurking Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hehe glad you had a good time. This weekend definetly sucked for riding. I didn't get out at all. At least you have the lingo (cage) down pat :) I try to stay away from the major hi ways during heavy traffic, you can't enjoy the ride, you spend all your energy looking/waiting for someone to cut in front of you. My favorite is the driver who is weaving around in their lane cause they are paying more attention to their cell phone conversation. It used to just piss me off when I drove a car, but when I am on my bike I just get nervous and that sucks the fun out of any ride. Rob > Such a different perspective than cage driving. I almost feel like I can't go back >to automobiles. Which there were more cyclists out there. Cage drivers are deadly... > >-Kipp. > >===== > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 19 05:46:56 2003 Subject: Thanks Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 05:46:49 -0400 From: "Ayers, Nelson, TSgt, AFPCA/COMS" To: Thanks for the recent Maryland information from ABATE, about the parking law changes and licensing. I forwarded the info to riders here at the Pentagon. I'm in digest mode and rarely get to go back and read all the posts, but I caught this one and I appreciate it. Neil Ayers