From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 02:54:35 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Aki Damme Cc: Tom Knapik , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC tags no longer have plate stickers Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 02:58:57 -0400 |>Confused? I am. ROTFL. Welcome to the list (if your'e new) Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 02:59:47 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: chains suck! Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 03:04:10 -0400 OH come on... don't deprive her of that childhood accident where your pants-leg gets caught in the chain and sprocket, and you are pinned to the bike, you can 't pedal, you can't put your foot down, all you can do is go boom! Hmm kinda reminds me of when my chain popped and got caught between the swing arm and sprocket retaining bolts and dumped me with a technical high side. OW. and now i discovered an O ring that flipped outside of the link, around it.. so it's sitting midway on a link. Dammit! chains do suck. Danny On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:19:40 -0400, you wrote: |>I'm thinking about getting one of these for my |>daughter. Way cool! :) |> |>http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000053HIZ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg |> |>Horkster From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 06:44:49 2002 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 06:44:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DC tags no longer have plate stickers I actually posted an intro a few days ago but for some reason it never went through. Basically I re-subscribed about two weeks ago after being off the list for about 2-3 years. When I last subscribed, I had three bikes, an '85 V65, '85 VF700C and an '87 500 Shadow. Since then, I've sold all three and bought a 2001 Dyna Wide Glide. A totally different type of bike and ride but I really enjoy it. When I last subscribed there seemed to be a lot of folks who had cruisers and got together for group rides. But it seems to me that the list has grown in the direction of sport bikes and it's subsequent rides. I have nothing against sport bikes (except that it kills my wrists and neck to ride in that position), but there's no way I'd take my Wide Glide out with sport bikes and not kill myself trying to keep up. Are there still a lot of folks here that have cruisers? Many Harley riders out there? -aki At 02:58 AM 5/1/2002 -0400, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >|>Confused? I am. > >ROTFL. Welcome to the list (if your'e new) > > >Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 06:55:52 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 05:55:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Article on cyclists X-Approved: yes "NHTSA: Two-Wheel Mayhem?: Why motorcycling is becoming expensive and dangerous". An unusual motorcycling article by a car-intensive online rag: http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=4861 Fish. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 07:17:49 2002 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 07:17:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Article on cyclists At 05:55 AM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >"NHTSA: Two-Wheel Mayhem?: Why motorcycling is becoming expensive and >dangerous". An unusual motorcycling article by a car-intensive online rag: > >http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=4861 > >Fish. interesting...but none of it "new" news. We all know the average age has been going up for quite some time. One thing that we also have to keep in mind is that although accident rates have also gone up, it's actually *less* in percentages to the growth of the sport. Something that a lot of insurance funded studies conveniently leave out. But I do agree that there are a lot of new riders buying their first bike that's, IMHO, way beyond their skill level to handle. I especially see this in the Harley realm. I watched a guy last summer who's *never ridden a motorcycle before* buy a full decked out Electra Glide Ultra Classic and promptly dump it in Patriots parking lot. Had less than one mile on the odometer and already a grands worth of damage to the bike...not to mention the damage to his ego, wallet and various patches of skin. Lastly, the terms the writer of that article used lends me to believe that he also rides bikes and reads the motorcycle newsgroups as well. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 07:42:15 2002 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 07:55:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: DC tags no longer have plate stickers At 06:44 AM 5/1/02 -0400, you wrote: >When I last subscribed there seemed to be a lot of folks who had cruisers >and got together >for group rides. But it seems to me that the list has grown in the >direction of sport bikes and >it's subsequent rides. I have nothing against sport bikes (except that it >kills my wrists and >neck to ride in that position), but there's no way I'd take my Wide Glide >out with sport bikes >and not kill myself trying to keep up. > >Are there still a lot of folks here that have cruisers? Many Harley riders >out there? > >-aki Some of my regular riding buddies ride cruisers (including Harleys), Aki. Many of us with sportbikes enjoy the same type of riding that you cruiser-types like :-) When my cruiser buddies aren't around, then I can lean it over and twist the grip a little further back :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 07:44:55 2002 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 07:50:46 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC tags no longer have plate stickers Aki Damme wrote: > When I last subscribed there seemed to be a lot of folks who had cruisers > and got together > for group rides. But it seems to me that the list has grown in the > direction of sport bikes and > it's subsequent rides. I have nothing against sport bikes (except that it > kills my wrists and > neck to ride in that position), but there's no way I'd take my Wide Glide > out with sport bikes > and not kill myself trying to keep up. > > Are there still a lot of folks here that have cruisers? Many Harley riders > out there? Me be a Harley rider - `93 FLHS. But I have a rule - no group riding fer me. A few bikes - OK - but a pack of bikes - NO WAY! I don't do crowds. Nothing against sportbikes here, but my old arthritic tainted joints just won't assume the *position* comfortably anymore. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 07:49:21 2002 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 07:49:14 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DC tags no longer have plate stickers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:50 AM 5/1/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Me be a Harley rider - `93 FLHS. But I have a rule - no group riding fer me. >A few bikes - OK - but a pack of bikes - NO WAY! I don't do crowds. > >Nothing against sportbikes here, but my old arthritic tainted joints just >won't >assume the *position* comfortably anymore. > >Bill I know what you mean Bill. My definition of group rides are groups of no more than 4-5. The only time I allow myself to be a cog in a huge cluster *uck is during Rolling Thunder. Last year wasn't too bad..things didn't really fall apart until we got to Constitution Ave. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 07:55:17 2002 From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Re: DC tags no longer have plate stickers To: Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 07:55:11 -0400 On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:10:54 -0400 Aki Damme wrote: > > although that would prevent someone from using it, it > still destroys your > sticker and you'll end up having to replace it. > True, but I would get some satisfaction from knowing that the scum-sucking bottom feeder would get no use from it either. --Jim, crime victim x 5 (1 vandalism, 3 theft, 1 armed robbery) From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 08:03:50 2002 From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: Stator problems ? Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:05:20 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1F0E6.F01A8A20 Well, there i go again. A new battery and a new regulator didn't do anything. Actually the voltage was a little higher with the new battery, but only for very short. Today I had the worse idea: I thought there was = a connection inside the alternator I could check, but I was wrong: that connection was sealed. Worse than worse is than tithe manual does say = that the connection is sealed, so why did I open it? besides, I didn't have a = new gasket, so I had to put some silicon to get me home. I think I will replace the stator: anyone knows where I can buy a new = stator for cheap? thanks, pierfrancesco vfr 98 Not trying to be smart, but wouldn't it have been cheaper to have = someone put test equipment on it an determine the actual problem rather = than parts replacing? ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1F0E6.F01A8A20
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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1F0E6.F01A8A20-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 08:10:28 2002 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 08:16:16 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC tags no longer have plate stickers Aki Damme wrote: > I know what you mean Bill. My definition of group rides are groups of no > more than 4-5. > The only time I allow myself to be a cog in a huge cluster *uck is during > Rolling Thunder. > Last year wasn't too bad..things didn't really fall apart until we got to > Constitution Ave. I've been to Rolling Thunder to look at all the bikes and babes (Yowzaa!), but there's no way in hell I'd do the ride. Bill - wimp From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 08:13:32 2002 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 08:19:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Kevin Bechtel CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stator problems ? --------------68F903B9C04B45E7C0F2132F Kevin Bechtel wrote: > Well, there i go again. A new battery and a new regulator didn't do > anything. Actually the voltage was a little higher with the new > battery, > but only for very short. Today I had the worse idea: I thought there > was a > connection inside the alternator I could check, but I was wrong: that > connection was sealed. Worse than worse is than tithe manual does say > that > the connection is sealed, so why did I open it? besides, I didn't have > a new > gasket, so I had to put some silicon to get me home. > > I think I will replace the stator: anyone knows where I can buy a new > stator > for cheap? > thanks, > pierfrancesco vfr 98 Did you measure the voltage (AC) coming out of the alternator? A simple test. Bill --------------68F903B9C04B45E7C0F2132F  

Kevin Bechtel wrote:

Well, there i go again. A new battery and a new regulator didn't do
anything. Actually the voltage was a little higher with the new battery,
but only for very short. Today I had the worse idea: I thought there was a
connection inside the alternator I could check, but I was wrong: that
connection was sealed.  Worse than worse is than tithe manual does say that
the connection is sealed, so why did I open it? besides, I didn't have a new
gasket, so I had to put some silicon to get me home.

I think I will replace the stator: anyone knows where I can buy a new stator
for cheap?
thanks,
pierfrancesco vfr 98

Did you measure the voltage (AC) coming out of the alternator?  A simple test.

Bill --------------68F903B9C04B45E7C0F2132F-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 08:42:06 2002 From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Aki Damme'" , "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Article on cyclists Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:39:25 -0400 >>I watched a guy last summer who's *never ridden a motorcycle before* buy a full decked out Electra Glide Ultra Classic and promptly dump it in Patriots parking lot. When I was in Las Vegas I saw a guy who had never ridden a motorcycle at all AND had never even driven a car in the US (he was from Belgium or somewhere) attempt to rent a Road King. It's actually a really funny story when I tell it in person (email does not convey my talent with accents) that starts with the guy, in line for rentals behind me, asking repeatedly "What is Road King? What is Road King?" The rental pick-up line was kind of long (ahead of us: 4 losers in a group, one who had left his license at the hotel, one who had left his credit card at the hotel, and two who wanted Fat Boys but didn't know what a Fat Boy was, so can we see the entire stock of motorcycles ever made by Harley Davidson, and by the way can we switch colors about 9 times because this one doesn't go with my shoes? Puh-leeze!) so I had plenty of time to point out a Road King to this guy. "What's this for?" he asks, pointing to the right handlebar. I explain that's for the front brake, you work the back brake with your right foot. So he promptly points to the other handlebar and asks the same question. I explain it's the clutch and he looks at me all blank, kind of like the look my dogs get when they try to watch TV. At this point I ask him if he's ever ridden a motorcycle, and he of course says "No but I took out the full insurance coverage. And do they have one in automatic?" I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this point; I mean, it is really funny in a sad sort of way but that Road King is a really nice bike and I sure would hate to see this idiot mangle it. I tell him that maybe the Road King is not the best choice for him for that day. I picked up my bike and took it for a test ride; when I got back to the dealership to OK it, the rental guy was shaking his head at What Is Road King Man, explaining that he can't have the bike because basically he has no clue. WIRKMan is not happy at this at all and starts to wave his Gold Card around like that entitles him to something. I didn't stick around for the entire discussion but when I returned the bike (and I sure had a ball running around in the desert and looking for UFO's at Area 51) I found out that this guy would not take no for an answer and after they refunded his rental fee he hung around the Harley dealership for about 2 hours, cussing out anyone else who came to rent a bike. Maybe they should have let him keep the bike. Might have "thinned the herd" a little! cheers, Patti the Lantech From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 08:52:10 2002 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 08:51:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Article on cyclists At 08:39 AM 5/1/2002 -0400, patti wrote: ye GADS! That beats my story of the guy who's never rode a bike and while I was picking up my Magna, I wanted him rocket across the parking lot on a brandy new V-Max and plow into a parked pickup truck. Totalled the bike and shot him on his back onto Va. Beach Blvd. He wasn't seriously hurt but it must of been an awful feeling knowing you'll be making payments for the next 4 or 5 years on a bike you no longer own! And to make matters worse, he hadn't insured it yet. 8-P From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 08:52:57 2002 Subject: Re: DC tags no longer have plate stickers To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Tom Knapik From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:53:40 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9 |November 16, 2001) at 05/01/2002 08:53:53 AM He's not *new* ... he's reborn. Welcome back Aki. --chris daniel_ex250@flash mail.com To: Aki Damme 05/01/2002 02:58 cc: Tom Knapik , dc-cycles@XXXXXX AM Subject: Re: DC tags no longer have plate stickers |>Confused? I am. ROTFL. Welcome to the list (if your'e new) Danny ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 09:03:18 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:03:04 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: Article on cyclists PTL reminisced - When I was in Las Vegas I saw a guy who had never ridden a motorcycle at all AND had never even driven a car in the US (he was from Belgium or somewhere) attempt to rent a Road King. It's actually a really funny story when I tell it in person (email does not convey my talent with accents) [Dave] I'm thinking this is a good candidate for a Bike night Story :-) that starts with the guy, in line for rentals behind me, asking repeatedly "What is Road King? What is Road King?" [Dave] Something most Europeans ought to be able to understand... Surely, they know about being loyal subjects & all ... Maybe from another region of the world ? I didn't stick around for the entire discussion but when I returned the bike (and I sure had a ball running around in the desert and looking for UFO's at Area 51) I found out that this guy would not take no for an answer and after they refunded his rental fee he hung around the Harley dealership for about 2 hours, cussing out anyone else who came to rent a bike. Maybe they should have let him keep the bike. Might have "thinned the herd" a little! [Dave] yeah. The Bike herd too... :-| cheers, Patti the Lantech -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 09:45:16 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Kevin Bechtel" Cc: Subject: Re: Stator problems ? Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:49:42 -0400 |> |> Not trying to be smart, but wouldn't it have been cheaper to have someone put test equipment on it an determine the actual problem rather than parts replacing? I think the thinking is, if you replace the most expensive last, you'd want to replace the other stuff anyway... and that there is nothing else in the charging system it could be... however that fails to include the fact tha something could be loose or disconnected. So you can't argue with testing the stator before you buy one. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 09:45:49 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 06:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Fasted route to Seneca Rocks To: DC Cycles Thanks everyone one for their input, especially Tom and Chris. One more question. It looks like I may be able to get out of DC around 2PM on Friday, so I can make this a 2-night trip. So, what is the fastest, most direct route to Seneca Rocks and how long would that take me? Thanks Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 09:45:58 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 06:45:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Fasted route to Seneca Rocks To: DC Cycles Thanks everyone one for their input, especially Tom and Chris. One more question. It looks like I may be able to get out of DC around 2PM on Friday, so I can make this a 2-night trip. So, what is the fastest, most direct route to Seneca Rocks and how long would that take me? Thanks Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 09:51:48 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 06:51:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Make that FASTEST (n/m) To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 09:53:07 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 06:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Fasted route to Seneca Rocks To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Thanks everyone one for their input, especially Tom > and Chris. One more question. It looks like I may be > able to get out of DC around 2PM on Friday, so I can > make this a 2-night trip. So, what is the fastest, > most direct route to Seneca Rocks and how long would > that take me? Thanks 55 W runs all the way there. make a left at the stop sign in seneca rocks and the campground is 1 mile up on the right. i'll send you the long loop today at some point.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 10:10:39 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 07:10:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Fasted route to Seneca Rocks To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles My fastest route there was 66 to 81 South, second(?) exit onto 55 west into WV to Moorefield. Rt. 220 (220/55?) to Petersburg, Rt28 to Seneca Rocks. [I remember this route being marked as some form of Rt. 55 the whole way through from I-81, but Mapquest doesn't confirm that. Also note that from I-81 this route is only two lanes and goes over three significant ridgelines - pick your passing spots carefully to avoid sitting behind a tractor trailer or, God forbid, a chicken truck.] It took approximately 2.5 hours from Manassas, so estimate 3 hours from D.C., driving sanely about 10mph over the speed limit. NOTE!!! Be VERY VERY VERY respectful of the speed limits going through the towns in WV!!! One town (Moorefield as I recall) was notorious for speed traps and they would stop you for as little as 5mph over the limit. It seemed to be their main source of revenue. On the other hand, there was little to no enforcement on the stretches of road between the towns and locals and knowledgable visitors routinely went as fast as they felt like going here. Chris --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Thanks everyone one for their input, especially Tom > and Chris. One more question. It looks like I may > be > able to get out of DC around 2PM on Friday, so I can > make this a 2-night trip. So, what is the fastest, > most direct route to Seneca Rocks and how long would > that take me? Thanks > > Mark > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 10:58:28 2002 From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Keith Code's Superbike school Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:57:22 -0400 Anyone here attend Code's superbike school? Is it as good as everyone seems to say it is? Better to take your own bike or ride one of their ZX-6's? Do you actually get to meet Code? Do the instructors really scream at you if you do stuff wrong, sort of like boot camp? So many questions... I am on the waiting list for the May 30th class at Virginia International Raceway. If I donM-^Rt get in there then my second choice is Laguna Seca in July. Anyone else plan on attending? Sanath _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 11:08:47 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Keith Code's Superbike school To: Sanath S , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sanath S wrote: > Anyone here attend Code's superbike school? yes > Is it as good as everyone seems to say it is? i would say "no," unless you end up getting more personal instruction than seems to be the norm. you'll be stuck in level 1....and if you already have some talent, the instructors will pretty much let you run the track and focus on those needing more help. reading his book(s), then heading out to a track day would seem to be just as productive. you have to attend level 1 to get to the subsequent levels.... in other words, you'll be lining keith's pocket with cash before you get to ride the lean bike or slide bike. > Better to take your own bike or ride one of their ZX-6's? so much better to use your own bike. (especially in your case!) > Do you actually get to meet Code? yes > Do the instructors really scream at you if > you do stuff wrong, sort of like boot camp? no -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 11:27:22 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:26:44 EDT Subject: Re: Article on cyclists To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/1/2002 8:44:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lantech.cwd@XXXXXX writes: > Maybe they should have let him keep the bike. Might have "thinned the herd" > a little! Darwin. "Here, take this dirt bike out into the dessert and practice a while first." Give him a clapped out piece of shit dirt bike you do not want anymore and send him out. They will never find the body, and there will be no accident report to raise everyone's insurance. The "problem" would just disappear and never be seen again. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 11:53:45 2002 Subject: RE: Keith Code's Superbike school From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:53:37 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Sanath, > Anyone here attend Code's superbike school? Yes, 2 years ago at VIR. Was a member of the DC-Cycles "crash crew." > Is it as good as everyone seems to say it is? As TG said (I can't believe I'm agreeing with him again!), you can learn pretty much everything CSS teaches by reading Code's books. Twist of the Wrist 2 is probably the most useful book. Personally, I think there's value in taking the school. But how much you'll actually learn and how far you'll advance will depend on where you're starting from and how much you're willing to put into it. And if you're already a "better" rider, you might not get as much out of it or get as much individual attention. I had Coby Fair work with me a little and the feedback I got was helpful. But it's not like I had an instructor with me all day. > Better to take your own bike or ride one of their ZX-6's? If you're going so you can learn how to ride YOUR bike, then take your own. But, of course, you do run the risk of possibly binning it. If you're going to learn how to ride as taught by Keith Code, then paying more to use the school bikes is probably a better idea. Plus it's less hassle having to transport your m/c to/from. > I am on the waiting list for the May 30th class at Virginia International Raceway. If I donM-^Rt get in there then my second choice is Laguna Seca in July. VIR is a technically demanding track (ditto for Laguna Seca). If you're not comfortable with tight, decreasing radius turns, elevation changes, and a blind corkscrew, (a) it may not be the best track to learn on and (b) it may not be the best track to take your own m/c. Just to learn and focusing on what they teach, Pocono is probably a better track (although not as fun/challenging as VIR). Remember, CSS is a school which means a fairly controlled environment. It's not a track day where the object is to try and ride as fast as possible. The focus of CSS is learning technique not speed. I think it's worth going to, but YMMV. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 12:38:29 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:38:16 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Loud pipes, and conformity http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-000029019apr24.column Born to Be Wild, at Full Decibel A man rumbled through my neighborhood, gunning his Harley, rattling windows and setting off car alarms. I'm a pretty sound napper, but pressure-waves from his unmuffled engine triggered old earthquake instincts. I leaped off the couch. This, I presume, was the intended reaction. My head cleared and I thought of two things. I thought of the children I sometimes see at the grocery store. At age 4 or 5, when you need attention and if you don't get it ... well, you start insisting on it, wailing at the top of your lungs or grabbing for a jar of pickles to drop on the linoleum. Second, I thought of Enron. ... more ... From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 12:57:39 2002 X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 7 From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Keith Code's Superbike school Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:57:32 -0400 cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: >But, of course, you do run the risk of possibly binning it. If you're going to >learn how to ride as taught by Keith Code, then paying more to use the school >bikes is probably a better idea. Plus it's less hassle having to transport >your m/c to/from. Transport your bike? The bike's for riding. I rode mine to mid-ohio, did the class, and rode it home. No biggie. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 13:15:14 2002 Subject: RE: RE: Keith Code's Superbike school From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:15:13 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Kirk, Well, you are a better man than me! %^) Did you ride home right after your day at CSS? Or did you spend the night and then ride home? And how much time did you have to get back (i.e., were you in a rush or could just ride at your leisure)? If you had to get back "right away" after CSS, riding your scoot could be the last thing someone might want to do. Also depends on how much stuff you want to bring with you. Tent, cooler full of Gatorade, soda, and water, chairs, and other "niceties" (especially if it's blazing hot and there's no natural shade) all make the day go by a little easier. I was fortunate when I did CSS at VIR. Brian Roach was kind enough to transport by GSXR to/from in a huge enclosed trailer (I think he had 4 or 6 bikes total in the trailer). I drove down with my wife and dog in my Trooper. Brian provided a tent for the DCC crew (at least those of us that knew each other) and we had a great time ... even with each of us dumping a bike. Different strokes for different folks. I just know that if I take the Level Two class, I'll ride one of the CSS school bikes. For me, it's just easier. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- Transport your bike? The bike's for riding. I rode mine to mid-ohio, did the class, and rode it home. No biggie. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 13:15:29 2002 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:15:07 EDT Subject: Re: Keith Code's Superbike school To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_176.795d2e3.2a017c9b_boundary In a message dated 5/1/02 1:01:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > Transport your bike? The bike's for riding. I rode mine to mid-ohio, did the > class, and rode it home. No biggie. Unless you have an incident on the track and can't ride your bike home. If that happens...you get to walk. Bring it on a trailer....unless you are soooo good that you would never wreck on the track....ever. Keener --part1_176.795d2e3.2a017c9b_boundary In a message dated 5/1/02 1:01:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes:

Transport your bike? The bike's for riding. I rode mine to mid-ohio, did the class, and rode it home. No biggie.


Unless you have an incident on the track and can't ride your bike home.  If that happens...you get to walk.  Bring it on a trailer....unless you are soooo good that you would never wreck on the track....ever.

Keener --part1_176.795d2e3.2a017c9b_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 13:19:18 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Keith Code's Superbike school To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Kirk Roy wrote: > cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > >But, of course, you do run the risk of possibly binning > it. If you're going to > >learn how to ride as taught by Keith Code, then paying > more to use the school > >bikes is probably a better idea. Plus it's less hassle > having to transport > >your m/c to/from. > > Transport your bike? The bike's for riding. I rode mine > to mid-ohio, did the class, and rode it home. No biggie. i was exhausted at the end of the day. i would NOT have enjoyed riding home from up near the finger lakes. btw, thanks again, dysart, for the trailering.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 14:25:21 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Comp Acc going "Tango Uniform"?? Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 14:26:47 -0400 http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/index.html Competition Accessories parent company goes belly up. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 16:03:15 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , Subject: Re: Keith Code's Superbike school Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:04:00 -0400 I had a similar experience at CLASS, also at VIR. You have lectures with the "great man" and lesser mortals out on the track with you. Sometimes you will have an instructor behind you observing. It's hard to tell (no mirrors!). Unless you get pulled off into the pit lane for a specific reason--I didn't--you really need to ask for feedback. It won't be volunteered very often. There is some coaching that occurs while in motion. I did get a "follow me" signal from an instructor to help me with my lines. If possible, try to get an instructor to follow you for a lap and then give you comments. The squeaky wheel getting the grease seems to be a common pattern in all these schools. I will second Chuck's comments that VIR is a challenging course. That blind down hill right hand off-camber turn (14 I think) triggered my sphincter pucker reflexes every time. I found it valuable riding my own bike, getting to know its ground clearances, suspension characteristics, power band and above all how to trust your tires. Since the primary focus is on skills that will improve your everyday street riding, it makes good sense to me to pilot your street weapon of choice. YMMV. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F P.S. I often hear whining about the VFR's limitations, can't do this, can't do this, not flickable, too heavy, blah, blah, blah. After you've been passed like you're standing still by Reg Pridmore riding two-up on a VFR800, the old saying "it's not the bike, it's the rider" definitely applies. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sanath, > Anyone here attend Code's superbike school? Yes, 2 years ago at VIR. Was a member of the DC-Cycles "crash crew." > Better to take your own bike or ride one of their ZX-6's? If you're going so you can learn how to ride YOUR bike, then take your own. But, of course, you do run the risk of possibly binning it. If you're going to learn how to ride as taught by Keith Code, then paying more to use the school bikes is probably a better idea. Plus it's less hassle having to transport your m/c to/from. > I am on the waiting list for the May 30th class at Virginia International Raceway. If I don't get in there then my second choice is Laguna Seca in July. VIR is a technically demanding track (ditto for Laguna Seca). If you're not comfortable with tight, decreasing radius turns, elevation changes, and a blind corkscrew... From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 16:57:10 2002 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:56:32 -0400 Subject: parts wanted--Kz/gpz stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Hi...I'm looking for a pickup coil (electronic ignition) for a kz550. They come in pairs and I'm happy buying either the pair or just the one for # 2/3 cylinders (yellow and red wires). These are probably the same as other 4-cylinder Kz/Gpzs from the early 80s. "Cash money". Lower priority is a seat cover, tail piece and right side cover for a 1979 kz650. (Yes, I know. These items are common on ebay.) Thanks. --Garcia From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 18:01:15 2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Subject: Biker Ride & Bash To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --0-1431507784-1020290473=:20070 Hey, gang! I don't mean to solicit the group but there's an interesting ride for a good cause coming up with DC 101 as a sponsor. I told the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society about DC Cycles, and they indicated that there are prizes (including cash) for clubs that sign up the most riders. So, maybe it could help raise money to add something to the DC Cycles site? I will be participating. I know the father of the boy who the ride is for personally, but I'll keep it short. Find more information at: http://www.leukemia-lymphoma.org/all_page?item_id=63481 The contact for this is Mary Angelo. angelom@XXXXXX David Lusk 1998 Honda Aero 1100 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness --0-1431507784-1020290473=:20070

Hey, gang!  I don't mean to solicit the group but there's an interesting ride for a good cause coming up with DC 101 as a sponsor.  I told the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society about DC Cycles, and they indicated that there are prizes (including cash) for clubs that sign up the most riders.  So, maybe it could help raise money to add something to the DC Cycles site?  I will be participating.

I know the father of the boy who the ride is for personally, but I'll keep it short.  Find more information at: http://www.leukemia-lymphoma.org/all_page?item_id=63481

The contact for this is Mary Angelo. angelom@XXXXXX

David Lusk

1998 Honda Aero 1100


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Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness --0-1431507784-1020290473=:20070-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 19:29:03 2002 From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: my charging system - update Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 00:28:56 +0100 I cleaned all connections and found out that some voltage was somehow absorbed from the battery tender cord attached to the battery. My bike puts out the correct amount of voltage now according to the electrexusa.com flow chart. Thank you all, pierfrancesco vfr 98 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 1 19:41:47 2002 From: "Do Yin" To: Subject: for sale: 1998 CBR 600 F3 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 19:42:47 -0400 thought I'd throw this out to see if there are any takers. 98 F3 black/burgundy/gold approx 17k miles 2nd owner, bought 2/00 w/ 1700 miles on odo small ding on lower right fairing (1st owner) small ding on lower left fairing (me) both dings barely noticeable all stock, except stainless brake lines runs great never crashed asking $4500 http://briefcase.yahoo.com/novasquid001 for pics cell # 703-338-9135 if you're interested or have questions From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 06:25:27 2002 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 06:38:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Biker Ride & Bash I'll be out of town for the Leukemia ride :-\ but my wife and I will be participating in the Ride Across MD for the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation. Anyone else? Details at http://www.rideacrossmaryland.org/ My wife is bugging me to get a Corbin passenger seat and backrest for the ride :-) I've already ordered up a Chatterbox for driver-pass and bike-bike communications. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 08:54:44 2002 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Kevin Bechtel'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Multi meter Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:54:20 -0400 Did you test the circuit before you launched into the project? If not, radio shack and even auto stores sell Multi meters. For $25 you can get one that automatically adjusts to the various mA levels. An onboard continuity test function costs a bit more. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 09:09:00 2002 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'William J. Huson'" , "'Aki Damme'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Rolling Thunder Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:08:41 -0400 I would NEVER ride in a herd like that. Do you have any idea how hard that is on the engine of a large displacement, air cooled V2? Chugging around D.C. at about 2 mph. Some years its been quite hot out. Air cooled M/C's require Air flow! I like riding with 4 maybe 5 at the most. Usually I'm on my own maybe one other. I used to ride with a few HD mechanics back in the 70's, they would ride back wheel to front wheel. Sort of a formation, I didn't like that AT ALL. No room for error or avoidance or correction/recovery if needed. Daddy always told me... "when ridin' leave yourself lots of space and that goes for drivin' too..." Drivers and riders have forgotten that axiom and I believe many accidents are due to lack of space.... you have to create space if the other jerk on the road doesn't give you any. Either by speeding up or knocking back on the throttle. Another sure sign of inexperience is the fully clad newby.... stylin' in your blind spot (if you are in a truck or car). That's crazy! Drivers are oblivious + preoccupied enough for a rider to assume that they (the rider) is within a drivers purview. I notice "blind spot riders" all the time. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 09:19:00 2002 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:18:56 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" " Subject: Re: Multi meter And their $25 pocket-sized model just went on sale for $17 (auto-ranging, continuity beeper, measures AC & DC volts & resistance). Model 22-802 Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Bruhl, George LT" Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:54:20 -0400 >Did you test the circuit before you launched into the project? If not, >radio shack and even auto stores sell Multi meters. For $25 you can get one >that automatically adjusts to the various mA levels. An onboard continuity >test function costs a bit more. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 09:45:28 2002 Subject: Upcoming Bike Nights From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:45:24 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" CC: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "lisagoddard@XXXXXX" All... Just to give everyone a heads up on Bike Nights. First one will be on Sunday, June 2nd at CarPool in Arlington, VA. 6pm to 10pm. They will block off parking for motorcycles in the parking lot. Second one will be on Tuesday, June 25th at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. 6pm to 10pm. No reserved motorcycle parking, but we usually manage to take over a good portion of the shopping center parking lot. Third one will be on a Sunday in July with the exact date still TBD. Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD. Lisa Goddard is working out the details as we speak. Again, no reserved motorcycle parking but we usually take over the street parking right in front of the restaurant. I will get all the info up on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight ASAP. Please feel free to post this info to other motorcycle lists and to other motorcylists. Hope to see y'all there! Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 09:57:18 2002 From: "Jeannette Zell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Upcoming Bike Nights Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:56:08 -0400 Woohooo! Cast comes off May 30. Think the leg will be strong enough 3 days later to ride? ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" >Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX >To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" >CC: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , >"lisagoddard@XXXXXX" >Subject: Upcoming Bike Nights >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:45:24 -0400 > >All... > >Just to give everyone a heads up on Bike Nights. > >First one will be on Sunday, June 2nd at CarPool in Arlington, VA. 6pm to >10pm. They will block off parking for motorcycles in the parking lot. > >Second one will be on Tuesday, June 25th at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. >6pm to 10pm. No reserved motorcycle parking, but we usually manage to take >over a good portion of the shopping center parking lot. > >Third one will be on a Sunday in July with the exact date still TBD. Uncle >Jed's in Bethesda, MD. Lisa Goddard is working out the details as we >speak. Again, no reserved motorcycle parking but we usually take over the >street parking right in front of the restaurant. > >I will get all the info up on the website >http://www.geocities.com/bikenight ASAP. Please feel free to post this >info to other motorcycle lists and to other motorcylists. Hope to see >y'all there! > >Chuck > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 10:40:07 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Two articles of moto interest Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:42:01 -0400 Harley-Davidson Cancels Festival Full story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20424-2002May2.html The Associated Press Thursday, May 2, 2002; 9:01 AM OLD BRIDGE, N.J. -- Harley-Davidson canceled a three-day motorcycle show planned for a speedway this summer, citing concerns raised by local officials about potential violence and excessive noise. More than 150,000 people were expected to attend the "Open Road Tour" show, planned for Aug. 16-18 at Raceway Park. However, Old Bridge officials said this week that they would ask the speedway's owners to withdraw their permit application or they would rescind it. .... Harley-Davidson had billed the festival as a family event, and township police said the show would most likely be peaceful. However, other Old Bridge officials disagreed, citing the shootout last weekend between the Hells Angels and Mongols motorcycle gangs that left three men dead in Laughlin, Nev. ====================== And for those feel the urge to "take one last ride" -- Full story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20230-2002May2.html Motorcycle Built to Carry Casket The Associated Press Thursday, May 2, 2002; 8:10 AM LANCASTER, Pa. -- At 46, Al Skinner says he hasn't given dying much thought. But when he goes, he wants to roar out to his gravesite on a chrome-plated Harley-Davidson. To that end, Skinner has custom-built a motorcycle sidecar strong enough and large enough to carry a casket. It is believed to be the country's only "motorcycle hearse" of its type. "Firefighters are carried to their burials on fire trucks," Skinner, of Wrightsville, said this week. "If you ride, why not go out on a bike?" Skinner, who insists the idea isn't as crazy as it sounds, doesn't plan to wait until he dies to put the motorcycle to use. For $300 - plus mileage of $1 per mile - he will make it available to others, promising "the ultimate ride for motorcycle enthusiasts or those in search of an extraordinary farewell." Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 10:42:22 2002 From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: inquiring volunteer opportunity terminal kids Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 15:41:12 +0100 Hi, I read from a mailing list of NY motorcyclists that they have a volunteer service going on: they basically go to a hospital somewhere in NY and give rides to terminal children. I wanted to enquire if anyone knows if the same could be done in DC, and I would like to offer my time, my bike and my wrist (twisting) for one of these children. Pierfrancesco Consalvo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 11:45:15 2002 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:44:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder At 09:08 AM 5/2/2002 -0400, Bruhl, George LT wrote: >I would NEVER ride in a herd like that. Do you have any idea how hard that >is on the engine of a large displacement, air cooled V2? Chugging around >D.C. at about 2 mph. Some years its been quite hot out. Air cooled M/C's >require Air flow! George, *all *engines require air flow to assist in cooling however I think your fears about overheated air cooled engines are ungrounded. The "2 mph speed" you refer to is for less than 2 blocks once you get onto Constitution Ave. Must less effect than normal stop and go traffic one experiences in metro traffic. If *any* engine can't handle that, then there's serious mechanical problems that exist beyond proper cooling. Additionally, last year in 90 degree heat, using Mobil 1 synthetic and an oil cooler, my engine temperature never went above 225F. Well below any temperature range considered damaging to the engine. I ridden my bike in 100 + weather in stop and go traffic and it never came anywhere near overheating. An air cooled engine is *designed* to handle higher degrees of heat than a water cooled engine. I've ridden in several Rolling Thunder events as well as charity events where there were 1,000 + bikes, and the percentages of overheated bikes are extremely low. Much lower than water cooled cars would be in a similar situation. >I like riding with 4 maybe 5 at the most. Usually I'm on my own maybe one >other. I used to ride with a few HD mechanics back in the 70's, they would >ride back wheel to front wheel. Sort of a formation, I didn't like that AT >ALL. No room for error or avoidance or correction/recovery if needed. I see your point, but being a mechanic doesn't make one any better of a *rider* than anyone else. > ..and that can happen with a large group or a small group of riders. The difference is that I only ride in *organized* events of large groups. Where behavior and formation are strictly enforced. *Any* size group of unorganized riders run the risk of dangerous behavior. Each situation needs to be assessed and the risks weighed. I have a group of friends that I regularly ride with. I know, just as they know, each others riding habits, limitations and skill level. I have no problem riding with 7 or 8 of them. However, a "herd" half that size of unknowns in an uncontrolled environment is a recipe for disaster. >Daddy always told me... "when ridin' leave yourself lots of space and that >goes for drivin' too..." Drivers and riders have forgotten that axiom and I >believe many accidents are due to lack of space.... you have to create >space if the other jerk on the road doesn't give you any. Either by >speeding up or knocking back on the throttle. Another sure sign of >inexperience is the fully clad newby.... stylin' in your blind spot (if you >are in a truck or car). That's crazy! Drivers are oblivious + preoccupied >enough for a rider to assume that they (the rider) is within a drivers >purview. I notice "blind spot riders" all the time. unfortunately, I see them as well. But that doesn't have anything to do with riding in Rolling Thunder, that has to do with lack of experience. Many of which never have, or do not plan to, attend a formalized training course. Additionally, IMHO, one is born with common sense. You can't buy it, wear it or borrow it from anyone else. In a controlled environment, the rules are established for them...either they follow it or they don't ride with the group. I like that. By all means, ride within your "comfort" level. One shouldn't force themselves into a situation that is beyond their own, personal level of comfort. THAT above all else, IMHO, is responsible for most mishaps. My comfort level riding is different than yours, as yours is with others. I've been riding for over 35 years and have owned over 20 bikes. And in that time, my comfort level has changed. What I felt comfortable doing in the past, I wouldn't even think of doing today and vice versa. cheers, -aki > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 11:49:40 2002 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:49:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Two articles of moto interest At 10:42 AM 5/2/2002 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >Harley-Davidson Cancels Festival > > >Full story: >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20424-2002May2.html unfortunately, I think we're going to see this knee jerk reaction for the foreseeable future. The unfortunate events with the HA and the Mongols has set motorcycle events and the perception of motorcylists back 20 years. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 12:17:05 2002 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Upcoming Bike Nights To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX what the??? cast??? what happened??? --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > Woohooo! Cast comes off May 30. Think the leg will be > strong enough 3 days > later to ride? ;-) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > >From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > >Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > >To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > >CC: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , > > >"lisagoddard@XXXXXX" > >Subject: Upcoming Bike Nights > >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:45:24 -0400 > > > >All... > > > >Just to give everyone a heads up on Bike Nights. > > > >First one will be on Sunday, June 2nd at CarPool in > Arlington, VA. 6pm to > >10pm. They will block off parking for motorcycles in > the parking lot. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 12:35:35 2002 From: "Jeannette Zell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Upcoming Bike Nights Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:35:28 -0400 Oh yeah, I forgot to tell everyone who asked last week! Long story short, I was standing in the back yard with puppies galore and the 2 adult dogs while on the phone. The 2 adults started chasing each other, I yelled, "Slow down!" and felt a VERY hard hit on the back of my right leg around calf level. I thought, "Uh oh, that was BAD," and began to look down ever so slowly, not sure if I wanted to see what lay in wait below. Sure enough, my right foot was now pointed at a 90-degree angle inside my Doc Martens. Oh yay. I managed to right my foot on top of my other boot and feel to make sure there was no blood (I was afraid it was a compound fracture, but thankfully it wasn't). Some morphine and a very painful ambulance ride later and I found out that my ankle was dislocated and 3 of the bones in my leg broken. I must've been asked MILLIONS of times, "MY GOD, your dog must be BIG!" Um, no. They're not. "You must've fallen on it after they hit you!" Um, no, I remained standing until I thought I should lay down. I had surgery and now have 4 screws in my leg - fun fun! I just got my hard cast on Tuesday and have 4 weeks of that before I can attempt to walk on my calf that will for sure be about 1/2 of what it used to be... ;-) So much for those 5Ks I was hoping to do this summer! ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Tom Gimer >To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Upcoming Bike Nights >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:17:00 -0700 (PDT) > >what the??? > >cast??? what happened??? > > > > >--- Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Woohooo! Cast comes off May 30. Think the leg will be > > strong enough 3 days > > later to ride? ;-) > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > >From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > > >Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > > >To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > > >CC: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , > > > > >"lisagoddard@XXXXXX" > > >Subject: Upcoming Bike Nights > > >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:45:24 -0400 > > > > > >All... > > > > > >Just to give everyone a heads up on Bike Nights. > > > > > >First one will be on Sunday, June 2nd at CarPool in > > Arlington, VA. 6pm to > > >10pm. They will block off parking for motorcycles in > > the parking lot. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 12:59:41 2002 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:59:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Upcoming Bike Nights At 12:35 PM 5/2/2002 -0400, Jeannette Zell wrote: >Oh yeah, I forgot to tell everyone who asked last week! ouch! We have two dogs ourselves...an Amstaff and a Dobie. They play *very* rough and if we're anywhere near them when they start "doggie wrassilin'", we'll end up on the floor with them. Hope you get well soon! Don't know if you'll be able to ride 3 days after getting the cast off. Only you will know that for sure. regards, -aki From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 13:46:57 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Biker Ride & Bash Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:44:37 -0400 Bad timing: Same weekend as Budd's Creek... --jon -----Original Message----- From: David Hey, gang! I don't mean to solicit the group but there's an interesting ride for a good cause coming up with DC 101 as a sponsor. I told the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society about DC Cycles, and they indicated that there are prizes (including cash) for clubs that sign up the most riders. So, maybe it could help raise money to add something to the DC Cycles site? I will be participating. I know the father of the boy who the ride is for personally, but I'll keep it short. Find more information at: http://www.leukemia-lymphoma.org/all_page?item_id=63481 The contact for this is Mary Angelo. angelom@XXXXXX David Lusk 1998 Honda Aero 1100 Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 13:49:27 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Upcoming Bike Nights Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:47:07 -0400 (1) Yes. (2) Why do you need the cast off to ride? --jon > -----Jeannette Zell wrote: > Woohooo! Cast comes off May 30. Think the leg will be strong > enough 3 days > later to ride? ;-) From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 15:48:28 2002 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 15:49:01 -0400 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Maryland MSF Classes To: dcccycles I just noticed that Montgomery College will be offering Maryland MSF Classes. I don't ever remember that they taught MSF. Looks like you must register in person in Gaithersburg. Since I am on digest give me shout off-list if you want more information. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 17:33:04 2002 From: "Pierre C" To: nyc-moto@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 22:32:58 +0100 Someone posted a while ago about giving motorcycle rides to childrenn who are terminally ill in NY state. I am a resident of washington DC and would like to find out if the local institutions would be interested in something similar. I have posted messages on our local mailing lists but without any feedback. I would love to know what/how you have organized your activities up in NY state so that perhaps I and whoever wants could do the same down here in DC. Thanks, pierfrancesco consalvo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 19:34:23 2002 Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 19:33:54 -0400 Subject: Re: v-2 cooling From: Bob McKeithen To: on 5/2/02 7:00 PM, The dc-cycles list administrator at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX wrote: You wouldn't have that problem if your cylinders were arranged properly. Those on my Moto Guzzi are From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 19:49:57 2002 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 19:49:41 -0400 To: Bob McKeithen , From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: v-2 cooling At 07:33 PM 5/12/2002 -0400, Bob McKeithen wrote: >on 5/2/02 7:00 PM, The dc-cycles list administrator at >dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX wrote: >You wouldn't have that problem if your cylinders were arranged properly. >Those on my Moto Guzzi are *and* they make great engine guards! ;-) From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 20:34:53 2002 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:34:11 EDT Subject: Re: OT Computer question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks to all that helped with my question. It was the hard drive that crashed... :( I really appreciate all the help... Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 From dc-cycles-request Thu May 2 22:08:15 2002 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: Susan G. Komen ride Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:10:33 -0400 Hey, A few friends and I will be there. I better get started with some pledges, it's right around the corner (June 1-2 I believe). Sux I'll be the only one riding solo. Everyone else has a "date". That leaves me to ferry all the gear/clothes for the sportbike riders who can't haul their own gear. At least I feel I have a purpose. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project "We're all here 'cause we're not all there" From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 07:59:32 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Pierre C" Cc: nyc-moto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:04:22 -0400 Woah. Count me in. : | Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 09:17:55 2002 Subject: RE: giving rides to terminally ill children From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:17:51 -0400 To: "piffiffi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Pier, You're going to have to find somen organization -- probably a non-profit 501(c)3 that works with terminally ill children, e.g., Make A Wish, Starlight -- to sponsor/underwrite something like this. HUGE liability that requires very good insurance coverage. I know DC-Cycles probably couldn't do this and I don't know if there are any other local m/c groups that would have the requisite insurance coverage. I tend to think not. I would asbolutely NOT recommend that you or anyone else just volunteer on your own to do this (although it is a worthy and noble idea). All it takes is one crash for you to get sued up the wazoo. I'm sure Gimer and other bottom feeders on the list would concur. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Pierre C piffiffi@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 22:32:58 +0100 To: nyc-moto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: giving rides to terminally ill children Someone posted a while ago about giving motorcycle rides to childrenn who are terminally ill in NY state. I am a resident of washington DC and would like to find out if the local institutions would be interested in something similar. I have posted messages on our local mailing lists but without any feedback. I would love to know what/how you have organized your activities up in NY state so that perhaps I and whoever wants could do the same down here in DC. Thanks, pierfrancesco consalvo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 09:26:13 2002 Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 06:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: giving rides to terminally ill children To: "piffiffi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Pierre, I know the woman who is helping to organize the ride you are referring to up in NY. If you would like to find out more about how it got started, and if the group has any liability coverage like Chuck is talking about below, let me know and I can try to get her in touch with you. Louis --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Pier, > > You're going to have to find somen organization -- probably a non-profit > 501(c)3 that works with terminally ill children, e.g., Make A Wish, Starlight > -- to sponsor/underwrite something like this. HUGE liability that requires > very good insurance coverage. I know DC-Cycles probably couldn't do this and > I don't know if there are any other local m/c groups that would have the > requisite insurance coverage. I tend to think not. I would asbolutely NOT > recommend that you or anyone else just volunteer on your own to do this > (although it is a worthy and noble idea). All it takes is one crash for you > to get sued up the wazoo. I'm sure Gimer and other bottom feeders on the > list would concur. > > Chuck > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Pierre C piffiffi@XXXXXX > > Someone posted a while ago about giving motorcycle rides to childrenn who > are terminally ill in NY state. I am a resident of washington DC and would > like to find out if the local institutions would be interested in something > similar. I have posted messages on our local mailing lists but without any > feedback. I would love to know what/how you have organized your activities > up in NY state so that perhaps I and whoever wants could do the same down > here in DC. > Thanks, > pierfrancesco consalvo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 09:32:42 2002 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: SPAM: Jacket for sale! Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:31:13 -0400 Okay BIG guys! This jacket is in excellent condition. No odors, I don't smoke. http://pub3.ezboard.com/ftlownersboardforsale.showMessage?topicID=1613.topic From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 09:42:46 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , , Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:43:37 -0400 If you want to help kids, another way would be to participate in the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation Ride for Kids events that are held around the country. I agree with Chuck's thoughts that you'd want to do this (offering rides) through a bona fide organization and not on your own. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: Pier, You're going to have to find somen organization -- probably a non-profit 501(c)3 that works with terminally ill children, e.g., Make A Wish, Starlight -- to sponsor/underwrite something like this. HUGE liability that requires very good insurance coverage. I know DC-Cycles probably couldn't do this and I don't know if there are any other local m/c groups that would have the requisite insurance coverage. I tend to think not. I would asbolutely NOT recommend that you or anyone else just volunteer on your own to do this (although it is a worthy and noble idea). All it takes is one crash for you to get sued up the wazoo. I'm sure Gimer and other bottom feeders on the list would concur. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Pierre C piffiffi@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 22:32:58 +0100 To: nyc-moto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: giving rides to terminally ill children Someone posted a while ago about giving motorcycle rides to childrenn who are terminally ill in NY state. I am a resident of washington DC and would like to find out if the local institutions would be interested in something similar. I have posted messages on our local mailing lists but without any feedback. I would love to know what/how you have organized your activities up in NY state so that perhaps I and whoever wants could do the same down here in DC. Thanks, pierfrancesco consalvo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 10:16:34 2002 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 10:16:26 -0400 To: "Gary Foreman" , From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: SPAM: Jacket for sale! At 09:31 AM 5/3/2002 -0400, Gary Foreman wrote: >Okay BIG guys! > >This jacket is in excellent condition. No odors, I don't smoke. > >http://pub3.ezboard.com/ftlownersboardforsale.showMessage?topicID=1613.topic ah..the California II, I have one as well, albeit not that size. ;-) Yes $400 original price is about right and they still do sell it: http://bikes.starroute.com/jacket.htm scroll down about 4-5 jackets.. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 10:21:47 2002 Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:21:38 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "Pierre C" CC: Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children I think that's an excellent idea. I have a sidecar rig that would be just right for that I think. best, Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Pierre C" Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 22:32:58 +0100 >Someone posted a while ago about giving motorcycle rides to childrenn who >are terminally ill in NY state. I am a resident of washington DC and would >like to find out if the local institutions would be interested in something >similar. I have posted messages on our local mailing lists but without any >feedback. I would love to know what/how you have organized your activities >up in NY state so that perhaps I and whoever wants could do the same down >here in DC. >Thanks, >pierfrancesco consalvo > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 14:39:54 2002 Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 14:39:29 -0400 Subject: You are invited.... From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ...to the Renter Removal party Laura Granato and I will be hosting on June 1st! To celebrate the removal of the funky renters from Laura's townhouse, (I'm her new roomie), we'll be having a barbecue in honor of the occasion, and we thought we'd invite our fellow listers to party with us! Details are forthcoming, but mark your calendars, we hope to see you all there! Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 15:28:05 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: swing arm bearings? Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 15:33:00 -0400 I'm installing a chrome swing arm, but I don't have the dog bone bearings. Anyone know of a local place where I can take the swing arm and parts and get some bearings, so I can ride through the weekend? The first person to answer correctly (and i get my bearings) will be entittled to a cash prize redeemable for beer, food, or hell whatever the hell you want! :) Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 15:44:40 2002 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 15:44:25 -0400 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: swing arm bearings? depends on where you're at but Patriot HD probably does. As well as Fast Cycles in Chantilly. -aki At 03:33 PM 5/3/2002 -0400, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm installing a chrome swing arm, but I don't have the dog bone >bearings. Anyone know of a local place where I can take the swing arm >and parts and get some bearings, so I can ride through the weekend? > >The first person to answer correctly (and i get my bearings) will be >entittled to a cash prize redeemable for beer, food, or hell whatever >the hell you want! :) > >Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 17:16:29 2002 Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 14:16:24 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: looking for T-connectors for fuel system To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I can find elbows and straight connectors but no T's. They are plastic, 3/8's in diameter and are used to join various sorts of rubber hoses. In my case I want to use them for fuel delivery to simplify the rat's nest. I've tried the obvious suspects (Pepboys, Trak, Springfield Hardware) without any luck. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 17:48:30 2002 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 17:48:17 -0400 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: looking for T-connectors for fuel system have you tried calling a pet store, especially one that sells aquarium supplies? At 02:16 PM 5/3/2002 -0700, matthew patton wrote: >I can find elbows and straight connectors but no T's. They are plastic, >3/8's in diameter and are used to join various sorts of rubber hoses. >In my case I want to use them for fuel delivery to simplify the rat's >nest. I've tried the obvious suspects (Pepboys, Trak, Springfield >Hardware) without any luck. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 17:58:47 2002 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 18:04:38 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking for T-connectors for fuel system matthew patton wrote: > I can find elbows and straight connectors but no T's. They are plastic, > 3/8's in diameter and are used to join various sorts of rubber hoses. > In my case I want to use them for fuel delivery to simplify the rat's > nest. I've tried the obvious suspects (Pepboys, Trak, Springfield > Hardware) without any luck. > Springfield Hardware? If you mean Fischer's Hardware, okay, but if not, do visit Fischer's Hardware. It's in the strip mall across Backlick (the one way westbound part) from Mike's American Grill, which is close to Dauphines, and as a biker you should know where Dauphines titty bar is. *snicker* There's also a marine store in the same strip mall which may have a selection of plastic plumbing piecey-parts. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 19:25:46 2002 Subject: Mark Walker is Out of the Office From: Mwalker3@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:05:29 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 05/03/2002 07:09:07 PM I will be out of the office starting 05/03/2002 and will not return until 05/07/2002. I will reply to your message following my return. If the matter is urgent, please contact either Richard Mance (tel: (1)(202) 458-1525), or Judith Ramsay-Williams (tel: (1)(202) 458-5979), who will be able to assist you. Thank you. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 19:43:53 2002 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:57:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Special bike for sale >I am posting this for a friend. > >ZX11c 1990 same owner 13 years only 2385 miles(not a typo!) This bike >has >been garage kept and never seen rain. Must see to really appreciate the >superb condition this machine is in. There are a couple of very minor >scratches on the left side where it slowly dropped on its side at zero >mph. >This SUPERBIKE is ready to ride anywhere you want to. A chance to own a > >large chunk of motorcycle history. 1990 Cycle mag with ZX11 roadtest and >the >factory shop manual is included. $5200 obo. Email me for pictures. >cbxturbo@XXXXXX John, Wash DC 202-966-0889 > >Thanks!! >Jay Hey Jay, thanks for posting this a while back. I forwarded it to a riding buddy who was making the jump from cruisers to sportbikes. My friend went down today and test drove the bike. Me on my 'Busa, my friend on the ZX-11 and John on his CBX (I love those things!) went for a ~30 minute ride. My friend and John closed the deal. Also, I think I met Lisa, she just didn't know who I was :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 19:49:35 2002 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:46:57 -0400 Subject: Re: looking for T-connectors for fuel system To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Science supply catalog or store was my first thought. Possibly boat or pet store. --garcia pattonme@XXXXXX writes: >I can find elbows and straight connectors but no T's. They are plastic, >3/8's in diameter and are used to join various sorts of rubber hoses. >In my case I want to use them for fuel delivery to simplify the rat's >nest. I've tried the obvious suspects (Pepboys, Trak, Springfield >Hardware) without any luck. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 3 21:05:54 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Ride this Saturday Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 21:06:58 -0400 There is going to be a SBN ride this Saturday at 8:30. 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From dc-cycles-request Sat May 4 15:19:26 2002 From: "Clifford Zigmond" To: Subject: looking for stock horn for CB750 Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 15:18:18 -0400 I bought a fairing/windshield kit for my '93 CB750. However, the custom horn on the bike is too big, not allowing for proper installation of the fairing. Any idea of the best place to get a stock horn? Is it a very common part, same on other Honda bikes? Cliff From dc-cycles-request Sat May 4 19:32:14 2002 Subject: Mark Walker is Out of the Office From: Mwalker3@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:32:07 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 05/04/2002 07:35:45 PM I will be out of the office starting 05/03/2002 and will not return until 05/07/2002. I will reply to your message following my return. If the matter is urgent, please contact either Richard Mance (tel: (1)(202) 458-1525), or Judith Ramsay-Williams (tel: (1)(202) 458-5979), who will be able to assist you. Thank you. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 4 19:41:15 2002 Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:40:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A1x=B1=BB=A9=A6=B9=C8=A2=21=20=5BhJbv=A9=C9=D8=D6=A8z=B5=AD=BE=B3=A2=DC=B9?= To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > HOTELRO wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but I just wanted to see the Subject header with an 'Re:' in front of it. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Sat May 4 22:23:08 2002 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: A HUGE thanks! Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:34:40 -0400 Just wanted to send a huge thanks out to Fish Flowers...what a cool dude! This guy from the list, whom I had never met, took an entire Saturday to come help me paint my townhouse. How cool is that? I have to say that some of the greatest and most helpful people I have ever met have come from this list. Two thumbs up to Fish!!!! Laura From dc-cycles-request Sun May 5 13:15:39 2002 Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 13:15:21 -0400 Subject: An in-depth article on red-light cameras From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Good read. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/078ftoqz. asp Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Sun May 5 14:21:17 2002 Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 11:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride this Saturday To: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > There is going to be a SBN ride this Saturday at 8:30. > Meet in the Multiplex > parking lot. its off of 66, route 28 and braddock rd. ricardo: fill in the blanks, please.... ___ crashes ___ tickets ___ 90mph wheelstands hope the ride went well.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun May 5 19:38:26 2002 From: "Do Yin" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 05/05/02 Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:39:45 -0400 Unfortunately only 3 others showed up besides myself. Well, maybe that was a good thing since a pack of 4 is much easier to manage than a pack of 20. Once we entered Harrisonburg the rain started, but all in all a good time. -----Original Message----- Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 11:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride this Saturday To: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > There is going to be a SBN ride this Saturday at 8:30. > Meet in the Multiplex > parking lot. its off of 66, route 28 and braddock rd. ricardo: fill in the blanks, please.... __0_ crashes __0_ tickets __0_ 90mph wheelstands hope the ride went well.... -- tg From dc-cycles-request Sun May 5 20:02:00 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 20:03:19 -0400 Anyone going to the bike night in barnes and noble, in rockville? Route 355 and Montrose rd. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request Sun May 5 22:32:07 2002 Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX that's no bike night!! It's a chicken out. They should hold it in front of Chick Filet. Poseurs one and all. Who the heck goes to a book store to choke on overpriced coffee grounds and yack when the only natural state of 2-wheels is for them to be rotating? Or *at least* have a TV showing the pro's at their finest, and rubbing our noses in the undeniable truth that the audience can't ride worth &@*E. (thought we needed a flame to start off the week in style.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 00:16:40 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 00:16:35 -0400 Subject: Dr. Gridlock hears it from a Motorcyclist From: David Cross To: Dr. Gridlock asserted that the roads would be a lot safer if there were more moms in minivans on the road. One motorcyclist disagreed: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/metro/columns/drgridlock/A33373-2002May 4.html Dave From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 09:13:32 2002 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:12:23 -0400 It's not a bike night and has never been a bike night. We'd be real happy if all of you twits from PG county, DC, and VA would stay where you belong... :P >From: matthew patton >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble >Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:32:02 -0700 (PDT) > >that's no bike night!! It's a chicken out. They should hold it in front >of Chick Filet. Poseurs one and all. Who the heck goes to a book store >to choke on overpriced coffee grounds and yack when the only natural >state of 2-wheels is for them to be rotating? Or *at least* have a TV >showing the pro's at their finest, and rubbing our noses in the >undeniable truth that the audience can't ride worth &@*E. > >(thought we needed a flame to start off the week in style.) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 09:13:39 2002 From: "Sanath S" To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:12:29 -0400 Such hostility :-) ItM-^Rs just a little social event for the yuppie biker types. Nothing wrong with looking at pretty poseur bikes, there is bound to be a bunch of pretty girls too :-D Sanath >From: matthew patton >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble >Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:32:02 -0700 (PDT) > >that's no bike night!! It's a chicken out. They should hold it in front >of Chick Filet. Poseurs one and all. Who the heck goes to a book store >to choke on overpriced coffee grounds and yack when the only natural >state of 2-wheels is for them to be rotating? Or *at least* have a TV >showing the pro's at their finest, and rubbing our noses in the >undeniable truth that the audience can't ride worth &@*E. > >(thought we needed a flame to start off the week in style.) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 09:23:30 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:23:40 -0400 Is this a DC Cycles thing, people from DC Cycles, friends, or another group doing this? -----Original Message----- From: Sanath S [mailto:kewlgt@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:12 AM To: pattonme@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble Such hostility :-) It's just a little social event for the yuppie biker types. Nothing wrong with looking at pretty poseur bikes, there is bound to be a bunch of pretty girls too :-D From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 09:36:45 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 08:35:12 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: RE: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble This is just a regular thing as I know it, no affiliation with DC Cycles yada yada yada I think It's kind of fun to watch all the antics of the squids. There are some nice bikes to look at occasionally, among a sea of GXR's George Cole 01 FZ1 >>> 05/06/02 09:23AM >>> Is this a DC Cycles thing, people from DC Cycles, friends, or another group doing this? From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 09:39:14 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:39:25 -0400 Is this every Thursday night? -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:35 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Rich Hall Subject: RE: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble This is just a regular thing as I know it, no affiliation with DC Cycles yada yada yada I think It's kind of fun to watch all the antics of the squids. There are some nice bikes to look at occasionally, among a sea of GXR's George Cole 01 FZ1 >>> 05/06/02 09:23AM >>> Is this a DC Cycles thing, people from DC Cycles, friends, or another group doing this? From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 09:56:58 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 08:45:16 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: RE: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble --=_5E03B957.D9B98740 Yes.. We like to call it "the running of the squids" George=20 George M Cole Technology Consultant Boise Office Solutions 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 (please note new email address effective March 2002) George.Cole@XXXXXX >>> 05/06/02 09:39AM >>> Is this every Thursday night? --=_5E03B957.D9B98740 BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:George Cole TEL;WORK:410-579-5200 x4608 ORG:;B-Tech Sales TEL;PREF;FAX:800-537-0066 EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:George.Cole@XXXXXX N:Cole;George TITLE:Sales Rep END:VCARD --=_5E03B957.D9B98740-- From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 10:06:35 2002 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:06:29 -0400 It's been the regular "hang-out" for a few locals for about a year and a half. Over time, a bunch of morons (i.e., folks from PG county, DC, Northern VA) starting showing up on Thursday nights. Now it's pretty much a big pain in the ass. Montgomery's finest is on "high alert" every Thursday because of the riff raff that's been coming in. It's disappointing, because Thursday was our regular "stupid shit" night... Stay home! Go away! Leave us alone! YMMV, etc.,etc. :-P -snip- >From: RichH@XXXXXX >Is this every Thursday night? > > >This is just a regular thing as I know it, no affiliation with DC Cycles >yada yada yada > >I think It's kind of fun to watch all the antics of the squids. > >There are some nice bikes to look at occasionally, among a sea of GXR's > >George Cole >01 FZ1 > > >>> 05/06/02 09:23AM >>> >Is this a DC Cycles thing, people from DC Cycles, friends, or another group >doing this? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 10:30:18 2002 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 10:29:58 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble It's been the regular "hang-out" for a few locals for about a year and a half. Over time, a bunch of morons (i.e., folks from PG county, DC, Northern VA) starting showing up on Thursday nights. Now it's pretty much a big pain in the ass. Montgomery's finest [Dave] There's the problem ! Everyone knows there's NOTHING fine in Montgomery county ! ;-) is on "high alert" every Thursday because of the riff raff that's been coming in. It's disappointing [Dave] Of COURSE it's disappointing - it's in Montgomery County ! , because Thursday was our regular "stupid shit" night... Stay home! Go away! Leave us alone! YMMV, etc.,etc. :-P [Dave] I vote for competing bike night festivities in a more upscale neighborhood, like, somewhere in Northern Virginia ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 12:19:48 2002 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:19:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Canterbury Subject: N. Arlington Inspection To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anyone got a recommendation on a place to get the bike inspected in N. Arlington? Please email me directly, as I'm not monitoring the mailing list. TIA, Mary '00 EX500 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 12:31:20 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "Mary Canterbury" , Subject: RE: N. Arlington Inspection Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:28:48 -0400 Mary, I went to the Texaco next door to Bob & Edith's on Columbus Pike. It's between Glebe Road and the Pentagon on the south side of the road. They made me turn on the bike, go from dim to brights and back, blinkers both sides, and toot my own horn. Then they took my money and gave me a sticker. Email me back if you need better directions. --jon 01 SooZooK Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Canterbury [mailto:mayor_canterbury@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:20 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: N. Arlington Inspection > > > Anyone got a recommendation on a place to get the bike > inspected in N. Arlington? Please email me directly, > as I'm not monitoring the mailing list. > > TIA, > Mary > '00 EX500 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 13:46:30 2002 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 10:46:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: giving rides to terminally ill children To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "piffiffi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Pier, > > You're going to have to find somen organization -- > probably a non-profit 501(c)3 that works with terminally > ill children, e.g., Make A Wish, Starlight -- to > sponsor/underwrite something like this. HUGE liability > that requires very good insurance coverage. I know > DC-Cycles probably couldn't do this and I don't know if > there are any other local m/c groups that would have the > requisite insurance coverage. I tend to think not. I > would asbolutely NOT recommend that you or anyone else > just volunteer on your own to do this (although it is a > worthy and noble idea). All it takes is one crash for > you to get sued up the wazoo. a thorough release agreement might suffice. but you can never have too much insurance.... > I'm sure Gimer and other > bottom feeders on the list would concur. i'd be quite interested to hear where chuck places himself in the hierarchy of the business world.... -- tg, bf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 14:28:50 2002 Subject: RE: RE: N. Arlington Inspection From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:28:42 -0400 To: "jmstrang@XXXXXX" , "mayor_canterbury@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Although Jon's suggestion is a good one, he is obviously as directionally-impaired as most females. The aforementioned Texaco is in SOUTH Arlington and the question asked for places in NORTH Arlington. Either you can't read or you're just a moron (or both!) %^) If venturing into South Arlington isn't your cup of tea, you might also try the no-name gas/service station on Wilson Boulevard, a few blocks west of the 10th Street intersection (where the Hess gas station is) on the right side of the road. Sorry, but I can't remember the cross street off the top of my head. 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Please email me directly, > as I'm not monitoring the mailing list. > > TIA, > Mary > '00 EX500 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 14:50:41 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: RE: N. Arlington Inspection Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:48:08 -0400 > > Although Jon's suggestion is a good one, That's 'cuz I made it. Most of my suggestions are F-ING GREAT, but I'm a bit busy today. > he is obviously as > directionally-impaired as most females. Which could be interpreted in a non-misogynistic way: I'm not directionally-impaired, and neither are most women. But since I don't believe that was your intention, I do wonder how some woman found her way to marry you, Chuck. I extend her my condolences. > The aforementioned > Texaco is in SOUTH Arlington and the question asked for places in > NORTH Arlington. Alas, Chuck is right. I'll buy you a beer. Drink, up chuck. > Either you can't read or you're just a moron > (or both!) %^) If you understood logic, you would realize that "or both" is redundant...or you like to run at the keyboard. > --jon (with smiles all around, of course) From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 15:09:33 2002 Subject: RE: RE: giving rides to terminally ill children From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:09:31 -0400 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > i'd be quite interested to hear where chuck places himself in the hierarchy of the business world.... At least higher (even if just ever so slightly) up the food chain than you. And as someone who works at the Cato Institute to defend libertarianism, free markets, and capitalism, I am a strong supporter of you being a bottom feeder extraordinaire. %^) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 15:17:27 2002 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:17:21 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: N. Arlington Inspection Jon pointed out - > Although Jon's suggestion is a good one, That's 'cuz I made it. Most of my suggestions are F-ING GREAT, but I'm a bit busy today. > he is obviously as > directionally-impaired as most females. Which could be interpreted in a non-misogynistic way: I'm not directionally-impaired, and neither are most women. [Dave] Not to pick nits, Jon, but Chuck said 'females', not 'women'. By women, you mean female humans. Chuck is perhaps referring to some sort of farm animal, like, say... sheep... which are infamous for poor senses of direction, hence the need for shepherds & herd dogs... I'm sure Chuck was referring to the female of a species which he has more familiarity than human females ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 15:21:50 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: RE: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:19:17 -0400 Chuck wrote: > ...And as someone who works at the Cato Institute... But have you ever once, just once, cut loose and answered the phone: "Inspector Clouseau's residence?" --jon p.s. OK, OK, you've heard it a million times. But I just had to say it. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 16:11:26 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:17:12 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: N. Arlington Inspection > [Dave] Not to pick nits, Jon, but Chuck said 'females', > not 'women'. By women, you mean female humans. Chuck is perhaps > referring to some sort of farm animal, like, say... sheep... which > are infamous for poor senses of direction, hence the need for > shepherds & herd dogs... 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And as someone who works at the > Cato Institute to defend libertarianism, free markets, > and capitalism, I am a strong supporter of you being a > bottom feeder extraordinaire. %^) you haven't answered my question. without alluding to the position in the hierarchy where you (with no support whatsoever) suggest that I fit, please instruct the list as to why your presence in the business community is even remotely useful. be honest. i'd do my best to pick you apart, bit by bit, using information about your organization... but the http://www.cato.org website isn't even working! "think tank"? "jalopy" seems more precise. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 16:46:06 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , Subject: Re: RE: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:48:10 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > wrote: > > > i'd be quite interested to hear where chuck places > > himself > > in the hierarchy of the business world.... > > > > At least higher (even if just ever so slightly) up the > > food chain than you. And as someone who works at the > > Cato Institute to defend libertarianism, free markets, > > and capitalism, I am a strong supporter of you being a > > bottom feeder extraordinaire. %^) > > you haven't answered my question. > > without alluding to the position in the hierarchy where you > (with no support whatsoever) suggest that I fit, please > instruct the list as to why your presence in the business > community is even remotely useful. be honest. > > i'd do my best to pick you apart, bit by bit, using > information about your organization... but the > http://www.cato.org website isn't even working! "think > tank"? "jalopy" seems more precise. Envy rears its ugly head perchance? Re: Chuck at Cato. Nice work if you can get it and kudos, I say. I wish I could get paid by the rant. :) At least he's not a civil servant. I do find it amusing sometimes when career gummint employees (and the ubiquitous gummint contractors and retirees who are legion in this area) rant and rave about high taxes and the superiority of the almighty free market.... Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 17:11:32 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 17:13:10 -0400 To: , From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: RE: N. Arlington Inspection At 02:48 PM 5/6/2002, Jon Strang wrote: >If you understood logic, you would realize that "or both" is redundant...or >you like to run at the keyboard. Well, if *Jon* understood logic, he'd know that a logical "or" can be either inclusive or exclusive of the case wherein both conditions are true. Boolean logic is not the only logic. 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 17:14:17 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 17:15:56 -0400 To: , From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: RE: giving rides to terminally ill children At 03:19 PM 5/6/2002, Jon Strang wrote: >Chuck wrote: > > > > ...And as someone who works at the Cato Institute... > >But have you ever once, just once, cut loose and answered the phone: >"Inspector Clouseau's residence?" > >--jon > >p.s. OK, OK, you've heard it a million times. But I just had to say it. But on a moto newslist, shouldn't that be the Kato(h) Institute? Now go to your rhum. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 17:19:20 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 17:20:59 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: RE: giving rides to terminally ill children At 04:21 PM 5/6/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >without alluding to the position in the hierarchy where you >(with no support whatsoever) suggest that I fit, please >instruct the list as to why your presence in the business >community is even remotely useful. be honest. Yeah. At least Tom's occupation has provided the inspiration and title for a terrific folk album and song: "1,000,000 Lawyers, and Other Natural Disasters." -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 17:35:46 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: RE: N. Arlington Inspection Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:33:12 -0400 Nay, Nay, Moose-breath. I believe he would've been required, even in the decadent den of a Philosophy department at a liberal university, to use the "either...or" terminology to signal out an exclusive disjunction. Which he didn't, and was therefore, redundant in his inclusion of the phrase "or both." Of course, you are correct in that I should exercise due diligence in my decoding of Chuck's rampant rambling rants. I should never make the assumption that he is making, or even capable of making, the distinction between inclusive and exclusive disjunctions. And Chuckian Logic, unlike Mr. Boole's fine work, doesn't always produce coherent, nor repeatable, results. --jon 01 s00z00k Bandito Grande > -----Larry Larson engaged keyboard before brain: > > Well, if *Jon* understood logic, he'd know that a logical "or" > can be either > inclusive or exclusive of the case wherein both conditions are > true. Boolean > logic is not the only logic. 8;) > > -- Larry > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 18:01:55 2002 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:01:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE: giving rides to terminally ill children To: Paul Wilson , cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > > > --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > > wrote: > > > > i'd be quite interested to hear where chuck places > > > himself > > > in the hierarchy of the business world.... > > > > > > At least higher (even if just ever so slightly) up > the > > > food chain than you. And as someone who works at the > > > Cato Institute to defend libertarianism, free > markets, > > > and capitalism, I am a strong supporter of you being > a > > > bottom feeder extraordinaire. %^) > > > > you haven't answered my question. > > > > without alluding to the position in the hierarchy where > you > > (with no support whatsoever) suggest that I fit, please > > instruct the list as to why your presence in the > business > > community is even remotely useful. be honest. > > > > i'd do my best to pick you apart, bit by bit, using > > information about your organization... but the > > http://www.cato.org website isn't even working! "think > > tank"? "jalopy" seems more precise. > > > Envy rears its ugly head perchance? Re: Chuck at Cato. no. and it is unclear what i would possibly be envious of. i was hoping to be educated in this regard. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 18:43:40 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:45:01 -0400 To: , From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: RE: N. Arlington Inspection Intermingling semantics, logic, politics, and motorcycles in one thread, with alliteration, irony, and sarcasm. Is this a great list or what? Now I'm never going to be able to see our resident Talking Head on the tube again without thinking of "Chuckian Logic." -- Larry At 05:33 PM 5/6/2002, Jon Strang wrote: >Nay, Nay, Moose-breath. I believe he would've been required, even in the >decadent den of a Philosophy department at a liberal university, to use the >"either...or" terminology to signal out an exclusive disjunction. Which he >didn't, and was therefore, redundant in his inclusion of the phrase "or >both." > >Of course, you are correct in that I should exercise due diligence in my >decoding of Chuck's rampant rambling rants. I should never make the >assumption that he is making, or even capable of making, the distinction >between inclusive and exclusive disjunctions. > >And Chuckian Logic, unlike Mr. Boole's fine work, doesn't always produce >coherent, nor repeatable, results. > >--jon >01 s00z00k Bandito Grande > > > > > -----Larry Larson engaged keyboard before brain: > > > > Well, if *Jon* understood logic, he'd know that a logical "or" > > can be either > > inclusive or exclusive of the case wherein both conditions are > > true. Boolean > > logic is not the only logic. 8;) > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 19:05:37 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 19:03:18 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children I would be the first to say that I don't think my job is worthy of envy. True, it's a pretty good gig working for a think tank. And every once in a while I draw the hardship duty of having to spend time on the tube with some of Fox's blonde brigade. %^) Tom Gimer wrote: > > no. and it is unclear what i would possibly be envious of. > i was hoping to be educated in this regard. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 21:28:55 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 21:42:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: RE: Thursday night bike night at Barnes and Noble At 08:35 AM 5/6/02 -0500, you wrote: >This is just a regular thing as I know it, no affiliation with DC Cycles yada yada yada > >I think It's kind of fun to watch all the antics of the squids. > >There are some nice bikes to look at occasionally, among a sea of GXR's > >George Cole >01 FZ1 Not a squid (I don't think ;-) but I was thinking of cruising down there on Thursday. I love coffee and I could walk around checking out the bikes while I herf'd :-) Maybe the DC-Cycles geeks could meet in a certain part of the parking lot? I work on Rockledge Dr., at the intersection of Old Georgetown Rd and Democracy Blvd. Weather permitting (I guess I'm a poser, I wear leathers and don't ride in the rain), I was going to ride my Busa to work on Thursday. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 21:56:24 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: Subject: thursday night bike night at barnes and noble Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:57:40 -0400 Chick filet? Hmm.. That sounds pretty good, im sure there is a bike night there too. Actually all this talk makes me get involved with this bike night even more.. Burnouts, wheelies.. I think im just going to trailer my bike there, the 15 mile ride will kill me. Im hoping i will see some triumphs there, maybe a tiger 955i. Ricardo Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX that's no bike night!! It's a chicken out. They should hold it in front of Chick Filet. Poseurs one and all. Who the heck goes to a book store to choke on overpriced coffee grounds and yack when the only natural state of 2-wheels is for them to be rotating? Or *at least* have a TV showing the pro's at their finest, and rubbing our noses in the undeniable truth that the audience can't ride worth &@*E. (thought we needed a flame to start off the week in style.) From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 22:20:25 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Leather suits Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:21:33 -0400 I am trying to find a nice leather suit. But they are so damm expensive, im considering a 2pc or 1pc, im not sure which i will go with yet. But im looking for one that is all Black and would like it to have armor everywhere, and knee slider attachments etc.. Anyone know about AGvsport leather, they are very inexpensive, and i can buy a new suit for around 400$. Other makers i am intersted is spidi, spyke, dainese. I dont want to spend too much, i already have leather pants and a leather jacket, but they only have a 8 inch zipper in the back. The pants, have removabal armor in the knees, but not in the thighs, and no knee slider attachment. The jacket is also a bad fit i think, it makes me look like i have a beer belly. Its a size 44. Does anyone know of a good looking suit for under 500$? Im also looking on ebay for a used suit(dainese hopefully). Ricardo From dc-cycles-request Mon May 6 22:43:05 2002 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:56:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Leather suits At 10:21 PM 5/6/02 -0400, you wrote: > > >I am trying to find a nice leather suit. But they are so damm expensive, im >considering a 2pc or 1pc, im not sure which i will go with yet. But im >looking for one that is all Black and would like it to have armor >everywhere, and knee slider attachments etc.. Anyone know about AGvsport >leather, they are very inexpensive, and i can buy a new suit for around >400$. Other makers i am intersted is spidi, spyke, dainese. I dont want to >spend too much, i already have leather pants and a leather jacket, but they >only have a 8 inch zipper in the back. The pants, have removabal armor in >the knees, but not in the thighs, and no knee slider attachment. The jacket >is also a bad fit i think, it makes me look like i have a beer belly. Its a >size 44. > >Does anyone know of a good looking suit for under 500$? Im also looking on >ebay for a used suit(dainese hopefully). > >Ricardo http://www.newenough.com/ has some nice 1 piece suits there for decent prices. For $509, they have 1 piece Highside suits - http://www.newenough.com/jrsuits.htm or they have some closeout suits here - http://www.newenough.com/closeoutsuits.htm Also check out the Teknic suits - http://www.newenough.com/teknicsuits.htm 1 and 2 piece setups for about 5 bills. I have a Joe Rocket solid Speedmaster jacket and solid Blaster pants (360 degree zipper) and a Joe Rocket Sonic perf'd jacket and perf'd Blaster pants (8" zipper only on jacket). I'm going to take 1/2 of the zipper from my perf'd pants and have it sewn into the bottom of my Sonic jacket :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 07:28:01 2002 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:27:11 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: ricardo@XXXXXX ("Ricardo Pontes"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("Dccycles") Subject: Re: Leather suits In case no one has suggested it, check out Colleen's site at www.leatherexchange.com. She's local, on the list, allows you to try on before you buy, has good prices, etc. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 6 May 2002 10:23:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ricardo Pontes" writes: > > >I am trying to find a nice leather suit. But they are so damm expensive, im >considering a 2pc or 1pc, im not sure which i will go with yet. But im >looking for one that is all Black and would like it to have armor >everywhere, and knee slider attachments etc.. Anyone know about AGvsport >leather, they are very inexpensive, and i can buy a new suit for around >400$. Other makers i am intersted is spidi, spyke, dainese. I dont want to >spend too much, i already have leather pants and a leather jacket, but they >only have a 8 inch zipper in the back. The pants, have removabal armor in >the knees, but not in the thighs, and no knee slider attachment. The jacket >is also a bad fit i think, it makes me look like i have a beer belly. Its a >size 44. > >Does anyone know of a good looking suit for under 500$? Im also looking on >ebay for a used suit(dainese hopefully). > >Ricardo > > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 08:37:10 2002 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:36:59 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: ("Dccycles") Subject: Re: Leather suits And check out eBay - leathers show up there almost every day. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:27:11 -0400 >In case no one has suggested it, check out Colleen's site at www.leatherexchange.com. She's local, on the list, allows you to try on before you buy, has good prices, etc. > >Scooter > >In a message dated Mon, 6 May 2002 10:23:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ricardo Pontes" writes: > >> >> >>I am trying to find a nice leather suit. But they are so damm expensive, im >>considering a 2pc or 1pc, im not sure which i will go with yet. But im >>looking for one that is all Black and would like it to have armor >>everywhere, and knee slider attachments etc.. Anyone know about AGvsport >>leather, they are very inexpensive, and i can buy a new suit for around >>400$. Other makers i am intersted is spidi, spyke, dainese. I dont want to >>spend too much, i already have leather pants and a leather jacket, but they >>only have a 8 inch zipper in the back. The pants, have removabal armor in >>the knees, but not in the thighs, and no knee slider attachment. The jacket >>is also a bad fit i think, it makes me look like i have a beer belly. Its a >>size 44. >> >>Does anyone know of a good looking suit for under 500$? Im also looking on >>ebay for a used suit(dainese hopefully). >> >>Ricardo >> >> > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 08:47:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47ClRl29924 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g47Cl1I24350; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:47:11 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: ricardo@XXXXXX ("Ricardo Pontes"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("Dccycles") Subject: Re: Leather suits Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:46:55 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <36498A9F.39ACBCD4.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <36498A9F.39ACBCD4.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02050708465500.16379@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated Mon, 6 May 2002 10:23:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ricardo Pontes" writes: > >I am trying to find a nice leather suit. But they are so damm expensive, > > im considering a 2pc or 1pc, im not sure which i will go with yet. But im > > looking for one that is all Black and would like it to have armor > > everywhere, and knee slider attachments etc.. Anyone know about AGvsport > > leather, they are very inexpensive, and i can buy a new suit for around > > 400$. Ricardo - I can get AGV suits at very reasonable prices, as well as Teknic and some other brands. I just checked, and there's still some of last year's colors suits available at the distributor at good discounts (depending on what size you need). I can get you an AGV Spark 1pc for $300 (list $400), a Sport 1pc for $329 (list $500), or a Viper 1pc for $400 (list $600). - Brian Roach - SpeedWerks Sport Bike Services - 302-672-7223 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 08:56:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f159.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.159]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47CuXl00166 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 May 2002 05:56:28 -0700 Received: from 65.91.152.244 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:56:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.91.152.244] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GREAT NEWS FOR DC BIKE OWNERS Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:56:27 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 12:56:28.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A26D350:01C1F5C6] Is your motorcycle registered in DC? GO RIGHT NOW TO STATE FARM especially if you have Markel. They just recently started to write policies on motorcycles for people who have no other form of insurance. I don't own a car, and have nothing insured with state farm. They gave me full coverage for 500 dollars!!!!!!!! i was paying over a thousend dollars with Markel. Call right now state farm, and if they say it's not possible, call Mr. Frick at 202 686 5199 and he will give you that same policy that i just purchases. Pierfrancesco _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 09:08:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47D8Ul00448 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:08:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbmR/ybqoOUhCNFso88FI9s/odejy7VP7Ar+gjrUEAdOEHLeFTZSG4BCA4UNRV7roU= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 1754he-0002I8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 09:08:26 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: GREAT NEWS FOR DC BIKE OWNERS Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:08:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Glad to hear you finally found some insurance at a reasonable rate, Pierre. It seems like you've really been jerked around over that last several weeks/months. --jon > -----Pierre C wrote: > I don't own a > car, and have nothing insured with state farm. They gave me full > coverage > for 500 dollars!!!!!!!! i was paying over a thousend dollars with > Markel. > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 09:20:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47DKJl00715 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadscomputer.att.net ([12.91.120.189]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020507131958.CUSR2855.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:19:58 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020507091908.02332e60@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:19:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: GREAT NEWS FOR DC BIKE OWNERS In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:56 PM 5/7/2002 +0100, Pierre C wrote: >Is your motorcycle registered in DC? GO RIGHT NOW TO STATE FARM especially >if you have Markel. They just recently started to write policies on >motorcycles for people who have no other form of insurance. I don't own a >car, and have nothing insured with state farm. They gave me full coverage >for 500 dollars!!!!!!!! i was paying over a thousend dollars with Markel. >Call right now state farm, and if they say it's not possible, call Mr. >Frick at 202 686 5199 and he will give you that same policy that i just >purchases. uh..how can he give someone else the same price/policy if he doesn't know the make/model of bike and driving history of the insured? >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 09:41:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47DfQl00999 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dcmail2b.dc.gov ([10.128.7.15]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020507134123.TTCQ17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:41:23 -0400 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2b.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020507134027.QWLX29609.dcmail2b@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:40:27 -0400 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:35:12 -0400 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360497@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Law Ride is this Sunday, Dice Run Saturday Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:38:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Folks, Just a reminder that the annual Law Ride is this Sunday, May 12, departing RFK at 11:00. This is a free ride in honor of Law Enforcement Officers killed in the line of duty over the last year. The destination is the Law Enforcement Memorial near Gallery Place. It is always a fun time and a big crowd! Anyone wishing to be abducted by my group is welcome to meet me at my house near 16th and Arkansas NW (email for directions) at 9:30, we will head to Arlington to meet some very colorful cops at 10, then onto the ride. There is no fee for the ride but vendor sales fund the memorial and the annual ride, so I usually try and buy something. There is also a Dice Run on Saturday, which sounds like great fun; I can't make it but I can't imagine it not being a good time! The Dice Run is $10 per card, starting and finishing at Sign Of the Whale in Falls Church; register Saturday from 9 to 11. Proceeds go to the Law Enforcement Memorial fund and there are prozes of some sort but I am not sure what they are. For more info, or to make meeting arrangements, email me directly at lantech.cwd@XXXXXX or check their web site at http://www.lawride.com/ Cheers! -patti From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 10:13:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47EDfl01697 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w071 ([168.144.108.71]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 10:13:40 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Leather suits Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:13:40 -0400 To: "ricardo@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 14:13:41.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[63A17460:01C1F5D1] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47EDhl01698 Ricardo, I will second the opinion of www.newenough.com as a place to find quality leather suits at reasonable prices. Plus Paul and Holly are good people and will treat you right. I used to have an AGV Rage 2-piece suit. Decent suit for not a lot of money. Has all the options you're looking for. However, I replaced the standard foam armor that came with it with GP armor (from New Enough). I also used to have a pair of Fieldsheer Sport Air pants (black) that I could wear with the AGV Rage jacket. My current suit is a Fieldsheer 1-piece (from New Enough). I think it's better than my old AGV and cost about the same. Came with CE-approved armor throughout. My particular model (can't remember the name) isn't made anymore. In addition to New Enough and directly from Fieldsheer, another source is www.brocktoncycle.com. They may have some older stuff at closeout prices. For "everyday" riding, a 2-piece suit is more practical. You can take the jacket off separately when you stop for food, etc. And it makes using "the facilities" easier. %^) If it's got a full circumference zipper, the suit will also be legal at the track. A 1-piece suit will probably be snugger and more form fitting. For me, the 1-piece is more comfortable I prefer the 1-piece, but most of my riding is relatively short days/low-mileage corner blitzing so the convenience factor of a 2-piece is not a real issue. If you plan on wearing leathers during the summer, I would strongly suggest you get a perfed suit. You also might want to reconsider all-black if you're going to be doint extended daytime riding during the summer. Finally, even though pretty much all suits these days have some sort of foam armor in the back, I would also recommend wearing a quality strap-on back protector. Chuck P.S. Roach's offer is a good one and if you want an AGV suit, I'd take him up on it. (No, I don't get a commission!) Original Message: ----------------- I am trying to find a nice leather suit. But they are so damm expensive, im considering a 2pc or 1pc, im not sure which i will go with yet. But im looking for one that is all Black and would like it to have armor everywhere, and knee slider attachments etc.. Anyone know about AGvsport leather, they are very inexpensive, and i can buy a new suit for around 400$. Other makers i am intersted is spidi, spyke, dainese. I dont want to spend too much, i already have leather pants and a leather jacket, but they only have a 8 inch zipper in the back. The pants, have removabal armor in the knees, but not in the thighs, and no knee slider attachment. The jacket is also a bad fit i think, it makes me look like i have a beer belly. Its a size 44. Does anyone know of a good looking suit for under 500$? 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From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 10:33:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g47EXdl02069 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020507143337.30030.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 07:33:37 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:33:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3CD70BB6.2070009@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ok. i think i understand now.... you believe you're higher on the food chain because you occasionally stand in front of a camera and spew libertarian mumbo jumbo. my, how important you are! my, how you inspire those of us down here on the bottom! -- tg --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > I would be the first to say that I don't think my job is > worthy of envy. > True, it's a pretty good gig working for a think tank. > And every once > in a while I draw the hardship duty of having to spend > time on the tube > with some of Fox's blonde brigade. %^) > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > no. and it is unclear what i would possibly be envious > of. > > i was hoping to be educated in this regard. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 10:44:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47EiBl02249 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GVQ00B01WX3O8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GVQ00B6LWX3AU@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 May 2002 14:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GVQ00G01WWZTY@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 May 2002 14:43:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.193]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GVQ00F8SWWMVQ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 May 2002 14:43:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:42:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children To: Tom Gimer Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CD7E7EE.3AE015E3@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020507143337.30030.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > ok. i think i understand now.... you believe you're higher > on the food chain because you occasionally stand in front > of a camera and spew libertarian mumbo jumbo. > > my, how important you are! my, how you inspire those of us > down here on the bottom! Actually, while I haven't actually seen Chuck on TV yet, I've perused some of his writings on the website, and I gotta admit, I like what I've read. It's nice and refreshing to hear folks talking about actually reining in Big Government, for a change. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 10:47:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47ElCl02330 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:47:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thursday night bike night at Barnes and Noble Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:47:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What time do people gather there, how late do they usually stay? -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:42 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thursday night bike night at Barnes and Noble Not a squid (I don't think ;-) but I was thinking of cruising down there on Thursday. I love coffee and I could walk around checking out the bikes while I herf'd :-) Maybe the DC-Cycles geeks could meet in a certain part of the parking lot? Weather permitting (I guess I'm a poser, I wear leathers and don't ride in the rain), I was going to ride my Busa to work on Thursday. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 10:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47Et6l02447 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w033 ([168.144.108.33]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 10:55:05 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:55:05 -0400 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 14:55:05.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C7910F0:01C1F5D7] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47Et7l02448 > ok. i think i understand now.... you believe you're higher on the food chain because you occasionally stand in front of a camera and spew libertarian mumbo jumbo. No. I'm higher in the food chain because I'm not YOU. %^) Of course, so is my dog. And did someone pee in you Wheaties??? I take my usual cheap shot at you and instead of some witty comeback, you get all pissy and defensive. I thought you were thicker-skinned than that. The rest of my lawyer friends are. You need to work on your self esteem. > my, how important you are! my, how you inspire those of us down here on the bottom! I rest my case. P.S. OK, you're not a bottom feeder. You're a blood sucking leech. Feel the love, man. %^) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 11:07:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g47F7dl02711 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020507150737.93100.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 08:07:37 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > > ok. i think i understand now.... you believe you're > higher > on the food chain because you occasionally stand in front > of a camera and spew libertarian mumbo jumbo. > > No. I'm higher in the food chain because I'm not YOU. > %^) Of course, so is my dog. And did someone pee in you > Wheaties??? I take my usual cheap shot at you and > instead of some witty comeback, you get all pissy and > defensive. where's the pissiness? as for defensiveness, how would the libertarians look upon someone who sat idly while being referred to as scum? if pointing out that there is no basis for your holier-than-thou attitude makes me "pissy", so be it. but it appears that your only argument is that you're better because you're not ME! i expected more from the think tank. > I thought you were thicker-skinned than that. > The rest of my lawyer friends are. You need to work on > your self esteem. here we go! the "self-esteem" card has been pulled. what's next, third grade insults and name calling? > > my, how important you are! my, how you inspire those > of us > down here on the bottom! > > I rest my case. the defendant moves for a directed verdict. motion GRANTED. > P.S. OK, you're not a bottom feeder. You're a blood > sucking leech. Feel the love, man. %^) ah, yes.... the name calling. i knew it was coming. i sure hope this thin skin holds up. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 11:21:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47FLql03036 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w069 ([168.144.108.69]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 11:21:51 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:21:51 -0400 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 15:21:51.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9DD3AB0:01C1F5DA] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47FLrl03037 > but it appears that your only argument is that you're better because you're not ME! And your point is??? > i expected more from the think tank. Don't you mean jalopy driver? BTW, the jalopy website was experiencing problems yesterday but should be OK now. > here we go! the "self-esteem" card has been pulled. what's next, third grade insults and name calling? Well, if you insist... > ah, yes.... the name calling. i knew it was coming. i sure hope this thin skin holds up. There, I already did it! I feel much better now. Moto content for those not intersted in tuning in to the petulant children channel... Don't forget that the first Bike Night is Sunday, June 2nd 6pm-10pm at CarPool in Arlington, VA. The next one is Tuesday, June 25th 6pm-10pm at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. Just happens to be my b-day and I'm sure Gimer will buy me a beer to help celebrate! %^) July date is still TBD, but will be on a Sunday at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD. That's Gimer's 'hood and if he graces the event with his presence I will repay his kindness by buying him a beer. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 11:24:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47FOol03102 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:25:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:25:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mayhaps this flamefest could be taken off list. From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 11:30:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47FUSl03249 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w085.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.85]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 11:30:27 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:30:27 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 15:30:28.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D929340:01C1F5DC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47FUTl03250 Anyone who's been on this list for a while should know this isn't a flamefest. Not even close. It's just how Gimer and I talk to each other. %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: RichH@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:25:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Mayhaps this flamefest could be taken off list. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 11:45:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [66.160.20.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47Fjml03533 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:45:40 -0400 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E722@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:45:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" At least they're not advocating synthetic oil or the superiority of the Glock 9mm. We don't tolerate any of those putrid scum. If those types get on the list everthing will go to heck-in-a-handbasket with people openly running 28 psi in their Dunlop 207GP race take offs on the street on their GSXR-1000's which they got as a first bike! Things can go quickly downhill after that with undisguised admiration of Harley-Davidsons, open calls to revise the MSF curriculum, or lastly, the death of all lists, blatant advocation of rear brake usage. I just couldn't bear to see it happen. Cedric Anyone who's been on this list for a while should know this isn't a flamefest. Not even close. It's just how Gimer and I talk to each other. %^) From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 11:53:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47Frml03659 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XP1 (id188.megapipe.net [63.65.99.188]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15179 for ; Tue, 07 May 2002 11:53:12 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c1f5df$aaa72f40$0100a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:55:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I've been on this list for a LONG time and, frankly, I can't tell if your posts are tounge-in-cheek or not. Many of your responses to Gimer are down right shitty. His are obviously sarcastic. In the past it's been funny but it's getting really old. I politely request that you please tone it down a notch. Thank you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: > Anyone who's been on this list for a while should know this isn't a flamefest. Not even close. It's just how Gimer and I talk to each other. %^) > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: RichH@XXXXXX > > Mayhaps this flamefest could be taken off list. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 12:09:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47G9bl03968 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w081.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.81]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 12:09:36 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:09:36 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 16:09:36.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[9551B050:01C1F5E1] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47G9cl03969 Gee Bruce ... I usually lace my posts with lots of %^) so that most folks understand that I'm having fun. Even TG is smart enough to figure that out. OTOH, Gimer's posts usually don't reflect if he's being serious or sarcastic, so it's not obvious to me how he's being obvious. I usually assume the latter (and laugh a lot), despite any overt attempts to differentiate. And "shitty"??? Mean-spirited, maybe, but certainly not shitty. Nonetheless, per your request the childishness will cease (at least temporarily). Let's move on to something more worthwhile like ... - Dino vs. synthetic oil - Front vs. rear brake - What's a squid? And should I go to the running of the squids at the Starbucks in Rockville on Thursday nights? - Just how good is the MSF curriculum? - How much protection does the Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket provide? BTW, Fieldsheer has their version called the Titanium Air. And other scintillating subjects. Original Message: ----------------- From: Bruce Norton bnorton@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:55:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children I've been on this list for a LONG time and, frankly, I can't tell if your posts are tounge-in-cheek or not. Many of your responses to Gimer are down right shitty. His are obviously sarcastic. In the past it's been funny but it's getting really old. I politely request that you please tone it down a notch. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 12:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g47GI6l04152 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020507161805.52135.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 09:18:05 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > > ah, yes.... the name calling. i knew it was coming. i > sure hope this thin skin holds up. > > There, I already did it! I feel much better now. > > Moto content for those not intersted in tuning in to the > petulant children channel... > > Don't forget that the first Bike Night is Sunday, June > 2nd 6pm-10pm at CarPool in Arlington, VA. The next one > is Tuesday, June 25th 6pm-10pm at Grevey's in Falls > Church, VA. Just happens to be my b-day and I'm sure > Gimer will buy me a beer to help celebrate! %^) July > date is still TBD, but will be on a Sunday at Uncle Jed's > in Bethesda, MD. That's Gimer's 'hood and if he graces > the event with his presence I will repay his kindness by > buying him a beer. i'll be watching that beer all the way from the tap to my hand.... note: there will be a group hug at this event.... but beware! i'm a groper. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 13:01:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47H13l04858 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g47H0u801756; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:00:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:00:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200205071700.g47H0u801756@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Cedric lit the match... At least they're not advocating synthetic oil or the superiority of the Glock 9mm. ... [Dave] that's because anybody that knows anything about them realizes that the Gl*cks are to firearms what steaming mounds of bovine fecal matter are to cows. They're the Microsoft Windows 3.1 of guns ; fine until they kaBOOM . If they last that long. OBMoto: I sometimes use synthetic cage (but not m/c specific) oil to lube my Berettas ;-) I just couldn't bear to see it happen. [Dave] Me too, that's why I let my students shoot my Elite 2 before they make a huge mistake buying a gl*ck... It works ! Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 13:18:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47HIEl05115 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:18:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYCqWGGk6lIpK1lGvNLs9NEhIc1kRLWmR6N7QE+SPasA6sD2qzfZxvDDmz333YrnSw= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 1758bN-0006v0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 13:18:13 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Maryland sucks. Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:18:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020507161805.52135.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal So much for property rights..... http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/annearundel/bal-ar.trail01may01.story?coll Motocross star's property again under scrutiny Officials say Pastranas illegally creating trails ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- By Jackie Powder Sun Staff Originally published May 1, 2002 Teen-age motocross star Travis Pastrana's practice course has again drawn the scrutiny of county authorities, who have charged his father with illegally clearing trees to blaze dirt bike trails through a wooded Davidsonville property. Inspectors have ordered Robert L. Pastrana to stop grading at the site, which is owned by his 18-year-old daredevil son, records show. That order comes less than a year after they took the same action upon discovering that the family had had failed to obtain permits before building a network of trails in the woods about five miles southwest of Annapolis. In May of last year, state and county officials found that construction of the trails - used as a practice course by Travis Pastrana, a champion in ESPN's X-Games - violated laws controlling sediment pollution, erosion and disturbance of flood plains and nontidal wetlands. In the past year, the Pastranas have taken steps to repair the damage, under the supervision of state and county officials. When inspectors visited the property in the 700 block of Governor Bridge Road on April 24, they found that new clearing for trails and an oval track had taken place without a grading permit, said Pam Jordan, a spokeswoman with the county's land use office. Because this is a second violation, Jordan said, county grading enforcement officials are consulting the county Office of Law about the possibility of pursuing civil or criminal action against the Pastranas. "We're figuring out what the best course of action is to get the message across for good," she said. Violations of county grading laws carry criminal and civil penalties, including a $1,000 fine or up to six months in jail, and additional fines of between $100 and $1,000 each day a property is out of compliance. The county did not take legal action or assess fines last year because the Pastranas cooperated and agreed to repair the damage. "Our goal is not to make money on these things," Jordan said, "but to get the problems corrected." Attempts to reach the Pastranas for comment were unsuccessful. Robert Pastrana came to the county land use office Friday to ask about putting in a pit for jump landings, Jordan said. She said the proposed 12-foot-by- 12-foot pit would be filled with foam rubber and have an 8-foot fence. Travis Pastrana, who competes on the national outdoor motocross circuit and on the Supercross indoor circuit, is known for his gravity-defying jumps. He gained national fame in September 1999 when he rode his motorbike off a pier and into San Francisco Bay after winning the freestyle gold medal at ESPN's Summer X-Games. And he's been immortalized in an action toy. This year, toy maker Mattel Inc. introduced the $65 remote-controlled Xtreme Moto-X Cycle, which features a miniature rider performing some of Travis' signature jumps. Including prize money and endorsement fees, his earnings reportedly topped $2 million last year. Robert Pastrana said last year that the family bought the Governor Bridge property in 1999, using some of his son's first motocross earnings, and built a home there. He said that Travis used a small bulldozer to clear bike trails on the land, where he had sharpened his riding skills since he was 12. The county's land use division and the state Department of the Environment discovered the initial violations at the site during a joint inspection last year. They found widespread razing of trees, tons of earth that had been moved and wetlands that had been disturbed. Some of the trails had mounds of dirt piled up to 30 feet high. Although the county had issued a grading permit to Robert Pastrana for construction of a house, it did not cover clearing of trees and earth to create trails. Robert Pastrana hired McCarthy and Associates, an Upper Marlboro environmental and natural resources consulting firm, to develop a restoration plan for the damaged wetlands. Company President Milton McCarthy said the work was completed in October, and included removing fill material from the flood plain and wetlands and planting stabilizing vegetation. "As far as the wetlands are concerned, he's in compliance with our regulations," said John S. Verrico, a spokesman for the Maryland Department of the Environment. The Army Corps of Engineers reviewed and approved the restoration plan, Jordan said. Robert Pastrana corrected grading violations uncovered last year by installing earth berms stabilized with mulch, and a stone filtration system that captures dirt before it reaches the affected stream, she said. Since the county ordered the Pastranas to stop grading last week, she said, sediment control devices have been installed to mitigate the damage. Jordan said that Pastrana is seeking to bring the most recent trail work into compliance by revising his original grading permit issued for the house construction. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 13:35:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47HZTl05442 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (smtp-relay01-qfe3 [10.13.10.224]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g47HZ8EM028310 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GVR4UE00.RG6 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:35:02 -0700 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GVR4UE00.M3H for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:35:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:35:00 -0400 Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002701c1f5df$aaa72f40$0100a8c0@XP1> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) > I've been on this list for a LONG time and, frankly, I can't tell if > your > posts are tounge-in-cheek or not. Many of your responses to Gimer are > down > right shitty. His are obviously sarcastic. In the past it's been funny > but > it's getting really old. > > I politely request that you please tone it down a notch. Thank you. > > Bruce > Wow, Tom, you must sleep easy at night knowing that Bruce is on the list to stick up for you. What a swell guy. Hey guys, disregard Norton's caterwauling. I still think it's funny, and I'm an accurate barometer of what the list thinks. That's all I have to say about the subject. Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 13:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47HlEl05607 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w081.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.81]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 13:47:13 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:47:13 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 17:47:13.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[3898A040:01C1F5EF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47HlWl05608 Oh goodie ... a gun thread! [Dave] that's because anybody that knows anything about them realizes that the Gl*cks are to firearms what steaming mounds of bovine fecal matter are to cows. They're the Microsoft Windows 3.1 of guns ; fine until they kaBOOM . If they last that long. IMHO Glocks are great guns. Used to have a 19 (9mm) with hi-caps galore. As much as I loved the gun, I hardly shot it and ended up selling to a friend (with right of first refusal to buy it back should he ever decide to sell it). The Glocks that go KABOOM are the .40S&W ones because of the unsupported chambers and usually with handloads that are overloaded. I wouldn't worry about them in 9mm, .357 Sig, or .45 ACP. [Dave] Me too, that's why I let my students shoot my Elite 2 before they make a huge mistake buying a gl*ck... It works ! My fave gun to shoot is my custom Officers ACP. Fits my hand just perfectly. Double-taps and rapid fire strings are a breeze. Very accurate for a 3.5" barrel. Anyone have a Desert Eagle in .50 AE??? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 13:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47Ho9l05685 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w029 ([168.144.108.29]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 13:50:08 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Maryland sucks. Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:50:08 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 17:50:08.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0C4B780:01C1F5EF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47HoAl05686 Yet another reason not to live in the nanny state of Maryland. Original Message: ----------------- From: Jon Strang jmstrang@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:18:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Maryland sucks. So much for property rights..... http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/annearundel/bal-ar.trail01may01.story?coll Motocross star's property again under scrutiny Officials say Pastranas illegally creating trails -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 13:53:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g47Hr6l05696 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020507175302.38866.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 10:53:02 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > I've been on this list for a LONG time and, frankly, I > > can't tell if your posts are tounge-in-cheek or not. > > Many of your responses to Gimer are down > > right shitty. His are obviously sarcastic. In the past > > it's been funny but it's getting really old. > > > > I politely request that you please tone it down a > notch. Thank you. > > Wow, Tom, you must sleep easy at night knowing that Bruce > is on the list > to stick up for you. What a swell guy. ... ... ... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 13:59:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47Hx5l05821 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g47Hwx527606; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:58:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:58:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200205071758.g47Hwx527606@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. Jon brought to our attention - So much for property rights..... http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/annearundel/bal- ar.trail01may01.story?coll Motocross star's property again under scrutiny Officials say Pastranas illegally creating trails Teen-age motocross star Travis Pastrana's practice course has again drawn the scrutiny of county authorities, who have charged his father with illegally clearing trees to blaze dirt bike trails through a wooded Davidsonville property. [Dave] Actually, most jurisdictions would be the same way. However, there are several lessons to be learned here. 1: If you're going to do something without the jurisdiction's blessing, do it fast and out of sight if possible. 2: The VERY FIRST thing out of your mouth when visited by a representative of the town, city, county, state or US government is : May please see your warrant or Court order ? NEVER allow an inspector, healt dept, social service, animal control, code inspector or ANY government rep on to your property unless you personally invited them, EVER. If they're already knocking at your door, don't allow the conversation to proceed until a warrant or court order is produced. If they get belligerent, call the police and have them arrested for trespassing immediately. Any one of the above can nit pick your property enough to cause you thousands of dollars of repair, property condemnation - you name it. 3: if approached by same, respond "it was like that when I bought it, do you have any evidence of me cutting down those trees? Pictures?" No? if you're here in 10 seconds, you're under arrest for trespassing, have a nice day. Unfortunate, but sadly, not altogether surprising... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 14:16:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47IGCl06168 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g47IG6x02949; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:16:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:16:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200205071816.g47IG6x02949@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill Chuck Chortled: Oh goodie ... a gun thread! [Dave] Cedric started it ! ;-) [Dave] that's because anybody that knows anything about them realizes that the Gl*cks are to firearms what steaming mounds of bovine fecal matter are to cows. ... IMHO Glocks are great guns. Used to have a 19 (9mm) with hi-caps galore. [Dave] Stick to things you do well, Chuck, like advocating smaller gubmint & annoying Gimer ;-) ...The Glocks that go KABOOM are the .40S&W ones because of the unsupported chambers [Dave] actually, Most of them (and many other brands) have unsupported or partially supported chambers (to assist with feed reliability). and usually with handloads that are overloaded. I wouldn't worry about them in 9mm, .357 Sig, or .45 ACP. [Dave] But not always. Important to note, all brands and models of guns will kaBoom, or, 'spontaneously disassemble', but the Glock has some sort of endemic problem that the factory is mum about. and it is most prevalent in the .40 and .357 sig models. But, they also suffer from other maladies like broken trigger return springs, sites falling off, drop free magazines not dropping free, barrel seize, and many more. This is not to say every one is junk, just that on the repair scale, they're somewhere behind Bryco, jennings and other saturday night specials... Friends don't let Friends own Glocks. [Dave] Me too, that's why I let my students shoot my Elite 2 before they make a huge mistake buying a gl*ck... It works ! My fave gun to shoot is my custom Officers ACP. Fits my hand just perfectly. Double-taps and rapid fire strings are a breeze. Very accurate for a 3.5" barrel. [Dave] you're right about the grip / ergos onthe 1911. tough to beat. I'm just squeamish about cocked & locked pieces... Anyone have a Desert Eagle in .50 AE??? [Dave] I have a buddy with one. I've shot it. It's about like my Super Blackhawk with max loaded .44 magnums. With it's limited usage, I can buy 2 good handguns for the same price... For that much power, get a 12 gauge... WHICH you can lube with DINO or SYNTH oil :-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 14:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47INFl06268 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GVR0000172682@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:22:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GVR0002H7264W@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:22:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GVR00F0171R14@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:22:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.193]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GVR00CGH71MVJ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:22:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:21:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-id: <3CD81B43.69D2C39B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > IMHO Glocks are great guns. Used to have a 19 (9mm) with hi-caps galore. As much as I loved the gun, I hardly shot it and ended up selling to a friend (with right of first refusal to buy it back should he ever decide to sell it). > Sweet! I'd love to get my hands on a 2nd gen 19 with some hicaps. That thing just fit my hand perfectly. My 3rd Gen 17 is ok, but just not the same. I can't see going with a 26-sized gun unless it's a single stack, the current one is just too wide for my tastes. > The Glocks that go KABOOM are the .40S&W ones because of the unsupported chambers and usually with handloads that are overloaded. > And who in the hell shoots a .40S&W, and then decides it needs *more* oomph?!> Fer cryin' out loud, those things are loaded to pretty astronomical pressure to begin with... Those folks almost *deserve* to have kabooms. >I wouldn't worry about them in 9mm, .357 Sig, or .45 ACP. Keep in mind the Glocks were designed around the 9mm, and work fabulously with that cartridge. The design was "good enough" to work with the .40, the .45, and the .357Sig, but I'm not utterly convinced it's the ultimate handgun in those chamberings. But the best 9mm on the planet, heck yeah, that's a given. Pick your favorite size 9 and Glock on, baby! :) > Anyone have a Desert Eagle in .50 AE??? I have a friend at work with one. He's got barrels for it in .50, .44 , and .357, (I think). Never shot it, though. I asked him why? Told him he's just keeping it in nice shape for the Next Guy. Screw that. I never did understand the "Collector's" philosophy. Use it, Abuse it, Clean it up, Abuse it some more, and if it's still worth bequeathing to your heirs someday, wonderful. If you use it up in your lifetime, that's cool, too. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 14:28:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47ISnl06358 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GVR002017BRIV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:28:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GVR001CF7BR6O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:28:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GVR00F017BKLA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:28:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.193]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GVR00F2T7BA35@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:28:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:27:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Fwd: DC Area Humor To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <3CD81C9E.AA44449F@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Accept-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47ISol06359 Off topic, but oh-so-on-the-mark humor. Horkster -- Rick Miller wrote: > > You know you're from DC when... > > You say you're from DC, but you actually live in > VA or MD but are too tired to explain it. > > You consider exploding man hole covers to be a > regular occurrence. > > When it takes you 45 minutes to drive 3 miles on > 66 / 95 / 395 / 495 / 50 / 123 / 29 / 1 / etc..., it's > a pretty good day > > When there are at least 15 ways to get everywhere and > you know which way to go based on the weather, time of > day, current political climate, terrorism road > closures, whether you are coming or going, etc... > > When you get a person's phone number, you get their > home number along with their cell phone number, work > number, work e-mail, and personal e-mail and either > put it in your own cell phone or in your palm pilot. > > When you criticize the size, year and features of > your friends cell phones > > When you pay more money in parking tickets in a > year than you do in medical bills, college costs and > rent combined > > You actually know at what times the streets change > directions and which direction they change to > > You don't need a dictionary and a PhD. to > comprehend the parking signs and regulations > > You know that driving through Georgetown, you will > hear the music of the car next to you louder than you > can hear your own > > When "I got stuck behind a motorcade" is a common > and real excuse for being late > > When 'finding a parking space' actually becomes an > appointment on your calendar. Eg. 7:00-8:00 Gym, > 8:30-9:00PM - find a parking space, 9:00-10:30PM - > Dinner reservations > > When you've never once been to Wal-Mart and don't > even know if there is one > > When 'getting in a workout' sometimes takes precedence > over actually having dinner > > If you've ever had to explain to someone that there's > more to Arlington than a big cemetery > > If you've ever given directions to a woman in a > mini-van looking for 'thaa whyyyyyite house' when you > were stoped at the red light on 15th and Pennsylvania > Ave, NW. > > When you say you're going to the Mall and you don't > mean you're going shopping > > When you know the Old Post Office doesn't sell stamps, > yet point tourists there anyway > > When you can take the Metro to another state > > When you will never actually refer to the 'Metro' > as the subway > > When you elbow tourists out of the way on metro > escalators to > 'gently' remind them to WALK LEFT, STAND RIGHT > > When going to work early means being there by 9:00AM > > When you don't bat an eye at 500 politicians and > businessmen in suits running like their lives depend > on it just to catch a metro that will be there again > in 90 seconds. > > When the 90 yo woman trying to physically battle > the metro door to get in after it's closed, seems to > be behaving in a 'perfectly normal' manner > > When you call it Tarjhay, not Target, and are well > aware that the one in Alexandria is just a 'tad > different'... oh come on, you know you know... > > When Washington National is and will always be > "WASHINGTON NATIONAL" not "Reagan National" > > When you actually know what's in Dupont circle...need > I say more > > When you're either a Lawyer, Lobbyist, > Politician, Student or IT professional and seem > confused and perplexed when someone informs you > they don't fit one of the above categories... > "but... but... I don't understand..." > > When you can tell by people's cars where they live and > maybe even what neighborhood > > When you claim that there's nothing to do on a weekend > night even when you have the entire Nation's Capitol > to > explore > > When you dress like you're going to go to a club, > but you just drive around Georgetown instead > > When you meet someone else who says they're from the > DC area and you realize they live two hours away from > you > > When you notice that there's been construction on > the same stretch of highway for the past 15 years and > you never see anyone working on it (John Hanson > Highway, the Mixing Bowl, etc...) > > When you know you've crossed into Northern Virginia, > without ever seeing a sign, only because your > speedometer goes from 80 to 0 instantaneously. > > When you know that Vietnam is no longer in the > South Pacific, it's now been re-located to Seven > Corners > > When the few times you have gotten lost in DC you > have somehow ALWAYS ended up in Anacostia and every > road out somehow leads back to Anacostia. > > When people from outside the area are thrown off by > your sarcasm > > When people from outside the area are constantly > telling you to 'slow down' and 'relax' > > When you realize that I-395 is Northern Virginia's > version of NASCAR, but no, we don't watch it, we just > do it > > When there is no such thing as North, South, East, > or West on the Beltway, it's just "that" way! > > When you go anywhere on the Eastern Shore, > Rehoboth, Dewey, Skyline Drive, the Outer Banks or > Ocean City for vacation and everyone you meet > is from DC > > ===== > MSL(CM M-^Y) PDL Minister > "There's two theories to arguing with a woman. Neither one works." Will Rogers > http://www.masondixon20-20.org > Co-Captain: The Dick Team > > http://www.geocities.com/cog3k/ > ride to eat, eat to ride From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 15:12:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47JCel07162 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dcmail2b.dc.gov ([10.128.7.15]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020507191239.VDIN17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:12:39 -0400 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2b.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020507191143.RNVP29609.dcmail2b@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:11:43 -0400 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:06:28 -0400 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269863604A2@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:09:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>In the past it's been funny but it's getting really old. This rivalry, good natured or otherwise, makes me think there is some kind of strange male ego power struggle thing going on. Like wolves wrestling for control of the pack or something. So maybe those involved could get out their measuring tapes, whip out their, uh, competition accessories, and settle once and for all who is the Alpha Male. Might not solve anything, but sure would make a great story. cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 15:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47JLVl07337 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XP1 (id209.megapipe.net [63.65.99.209]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01275 for ; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:20:55 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c1f5fc$b000ca10$0100a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:23:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I tried to express my opinion as politely as I could and I'm still attacked. The rhetoric between Tom and Chuck reminds me of two people who enjoy inciting each other, at first it's fun to poke at each other, tit for tat, one upping the other with ever increasing levels of minor insults, but after a while the jabs get worse and more pointed. After a while all the little smileys in the world won't help a bit. I think Chuck is the worse offender of the two. Tom asks questions that rile Chuck. Chuck makes humorous (vicious) insults towards Tom. Where does it end? I POLITELY asked him to tone it down. That's "caterwauling"? I wasn't aware that you are an accurate barometer of what I think. How do you know what EVERYONE on the list thinks? Because I lurk more than I post am I not a member of the list? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Jordan" > > I've been on this list for a LONG time and, frankly, I can't tell if > > your > > posts are tounge-in-cheek or not. Many of your responses to Gimer are > > down > > right shitty. His are obviously sarcastic. In the past it's been funny > > but > > it's getting really old. > > > > I politely request that you please tone it down a notch. Thank you. > > > > Bruce > > > > Wow, Tom, you must sleep easy at night knowing that Bruce is on the list > to stick up for you. What a swell guy. > > Hey guys, disregard Norton's caterwauling. I still think it's funny, and > I'm an accurate barometer of what the list thinks. > > That's all I have to say about the subject. > > > > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 15:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47JPLl07377 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 4.cc.b2e7db3 (15901); Tue, 7 May 2002 15:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.132]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v84.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-0507152450; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:24:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:23:00 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("Dccycles") Subject: Re: Re: Leather suits Message-ID: <7AC80770.66E1349A.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Key searches to look for on ebay are: +motorcycle +suit +leather +suit +leathers -stirrup -saddle -english -horse +dainese (substitute any maker here. this can be added to any of the above to narrow the search even further) Can you tell I've done this before? ;-) Scooter (Safety gear? What's that) 1 Dainese T-Age suit (white) - riding with no destination =8-0 1 AGV Jacket & Technic Pants (w/r/b) - summer riding 1 HJC Jacket & FirstGear Pants (black) - spring/fall riding 1 Vanson Bones Jacket & Pants - colder weather/Halloween riding 1 JR Phoenix Jacket & Pants (black) - new for summer, Thanks Kirk. ;-) 1 Yamaha R6 Textile Jacket (r/b) - cooler weather/going out jacket 1 Roof Boxer Helmet (black) - jet fighter pilot helmet :-) 1 Arai Helmet (w/r/b) - new/replacement 1 Nolan N100 (custom painted as a skull) - do I have to say anything about this one? ;-) 1 Shoei RF700 (w/r/b) - beater but a good spare 1 Shoei RF700 (b/p/b/g) - size M, worn maybe 8 times, too big for my head. Anyone want it? Free. Great shape 1 pair Alpinestars boots (black) 1 pair Alpinestars boots (w/r/b) - spares 1 pair AGV boots (w/r/b) 6 pairs of assorted gloves for different weather/color scheme/etc. In a message dated Tue, 7 May 2002 M- 8:40:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Chris Norloff" writes: >And check out eBay - leathers show up there almost every day. > >Chris Norloff > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:27:11 -0400 > >>In case no one has suggested it, check out Colleen's site at www.leatherexchange.com. M- She's local, on the list, allows you to try on before you buy, has good prices, etc. >> >>Scooter >> >>In a message dated Mon, 6 May 2002 10:23:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ricardo Pontes" writes: >> >>> >>> >>>I am trying to find a nice leather suit. But they are so damm expensive, im >>>considering a 2pc or 1pc, im not sure which i will go with yet. But im >>>looking for one that is all Black and would like it to have armor >>>everywhere, and knee slider attachments etc.. Anyone know about AGvsport >>>leather, they are very inexpensive, and i can buy a new suit for around >>>400$. Other makers i am intersted is spidi, spyke, dainese. I dont want to >>>spend too much, i already have leather pants and a leather jacket, but they >>>only have a 8 inch zipper in the back. The pants, have removabal armor in >>>the knees, but not in the thighs, and no knee slider attachment. The jacket >>>is also a bad fit i think, it makes me look like i have a beer belly. Its a >>>size 44. >>> >>>Does anyone know of a good looking suit for under 500$? Im also looking on >>>ebay for a used suit(dainese hopefully). >>> >>>Ricardo >>> >>> >> > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 15:29:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f24.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.24]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47JTGl07503 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:29:06 -0700 Received: from 63.251.87.214 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 19:29:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:29:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 19:29:06.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[73D03340:01C1F5FD] Patti, Tape measure? No, I'm thinking something more on the lines of a micrometer... ;^) Perry >From: "Lantech (DCOP)" >To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" >Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:09:48 -0400 > > >>In the past it's been funny but >it's getting really old. > >This rivalry, good natured or otherwise, makes me think there is some kind >of strange male ego power struggle thing going on. Like wolves wrestling >for control of the pack or something. So maybe those involved could get >out >their measuring tapes, whip out their, uh, competition accessories, and >settle once and for all who is the Alpha Male. > >Might not solve anything, but sure would make a great story. > >cheers, > >Patti _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 15:32:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com [207.46.181.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47JWal07598 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer ([67.208.73.137]) by cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 12:31:45 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: ride across maryland Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:33:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 19:31:45.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[D309CB50:01C1F5FD] Join Channel 13's Dick Gelfman June 1 - 2, 2002 for a weekend motorcycle ride (cars are welcome also) across the State of Maryland. 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So get your pre-register today, or send for your registration packet .... and get ready to ride. more info www.rideacrossmaryland.org From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 15:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g47JjPl07852 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020507194524.80528.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:45:24 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children To: "Lantech \(DCOP\)" , "'Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269863604A2@CWDEXCH0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Lantech (DCOP)" wrote: > >>In the past it's been funny but > it's getting really old. > > This rivalry, good natured or otherwise, makes me think > there is some kind > of strange male ego power struggle thing going on. Like > wolves wrestling > for control of the pack or something. So maybe those > involved could get out > their measuring tapes, whip out their, uh, competition > accessories, and > settle once and for all who is the Alpha Male. > > Might not solve anything, but sure would make a great > story. the way i see it, this WOULD solve something: it would identify who should be the one licking laura granato's butt. everybody knows it's the alpha FEMALE that rules the pack.... accordingly, i'll be waiting, naked, as always, in my office... -- tg 4905 del ray ave., ste. 504 bethesda, md 20814 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 15:50:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47JoMl07933 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w096.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.96]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 15:50:21 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:50:20 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 19:50:21.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BEEA780:01C1F600] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47JoNl07934 Hey, I resemble that remark! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: Perry Coleman perrycoleman@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:29:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Patti, Tape measure? No, I'm thinking something more on the lines of a micrometer... ;^) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 16:08:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47K8Hl08248 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w097.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.97]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 16:08:16 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:08:16 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 20:08:17.0107 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED15A230:01C1F602] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47K8Jl08249 Bruce has now experienced first-hand why in my talking head capacity at the Cato Institute I advocate for a non-interventionist U.S. foreign and defense policy. Tom and I engage in one of our online spats, forcing the entire DC-Cycles list to endure our childishness. Rather than just let it die its own natural death (which it always eventually does), Bruce sticks his nose in where it doesn't belong. True, he was well-intentioned (thinking of the greater good) and, I mean, who wouldn't want to rush to defend the honor of Gimer. I can't think of a more noble or valiant cause. Result? He gets attacked (although in this case not by either of the two parties involved, but by a third party who would otherwise have no grievance against Bruce). Happens to the U.S. overseas all the time. And for the record, I don't think I was even remotely vicous towards Tom. I never questioned his manhood or whether his wife might find him lacking in that department (although those are fair questions). I certainly didn't deride his motorcycling skills or experience. I just called him a "bottom feeder" and "blood sucking leech." Hardly fighting words. There are other lawyers on the list and none took issue or came to TG's defense. And it never really "ends." There are just lulls in the hurling of insults. P.S. In deference to Bruce, TG and I did take our conversation off-line and agreed to a group hug, er grope, uh hug at the next Bike Night. Original Message: ----------------- From: Bruce Norton bnorton@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:23:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children I tried to express my opinion as politely as I could and I'm still attacked. The rhetoric between Tom and Chuck reminds me of two people who enjoy inciting each other, at first it's fun to poke at each other, tit for tat, one upping the other with ever increasing levels of minor insults, but after a while the jabs get worse and more pointed. After a while all the little smileys in the world won't help a bit. I think Chuck is the worse offender of the two. Tom asks questions that rile Chuck. Chuck makes humorous (vicious) insults towards Tom. Where does it end? I POLITELY asked him to tone it down. That's "caterwauling"? I wasn't aware that you are an accurate barometer of what I think. How do you know what EVERYONE on the list thinks? Because I lurk more than I post am I not a member of the list? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 16:10:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47KAnl08305 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w046 ([168.144.108.46]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 16:10:48 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:10:48 -0400 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 20:10:48.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[476487B0:01C1F603] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47KAnl08306 I may be vicious (according to Bruce), but at least I'm not pornographic. Gimer ... nekkid ... I cringe at the thought. Original Message: ----------------- accordingly, i'll be waiting, naked, as always, in my office... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 16:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47KEml08392 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020507201446.VJDL17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:14:46 -0400 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2a.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020507201446.VUNV10597.dcmail2a@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:14:46 -0400 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269863604A6@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:11:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>everybody knows it's the alpha FEMALE that rules the >>pack.... Yes, but we play nicer. (usually) >>accordingly, i'll be waiting, naked, as always, in my office... Now that I have the unfortunate mental image of everyone on our staff naked in their offices (excuse me while I find a hot fireplace poker to stick in my eye) (and sorry for them, too, since I am getting this image on the first day we have AC in the building) (HA!) Just be careful of the paper shredder and the collating copier. You don't want to bobbitize yourself! >>4905 del ray ave., ste. 504 bethesda, md 20814 does the inclusion of the address have anything to do with your advertizing the fact that you're naked? wink, wink! -patti From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 16:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f260.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47KNRl08611 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:23:21 -0700 Received: from 63.251.87.214 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:23:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 16:23:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 20:23:21.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[07E93D40:01C1F605] I'm trying to figure out if he's naked and waiting for the grope with Chuck... And wishing I was not thinking about it all, thank you very much! Perry >From: "Lantech (DCOP)" >To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" > >Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:11:49 -0400 > > > > >>everybody knows it's the alpha FEMALE that rules the > >>pack.... > >Yes, but we play nicer. (usually) > > >>accordingly, i'll be waiting, naked, as always, in my >office... > >Now that I have the unfortunate mental image of everyone on our staff naked >in their offices (excuse me while I find a hot fireplace poker to stick in >my eye) (and sorry for them, too, since I am getting this image on the >first >day we have AC in the building) (HA!) > >Just be careful of the paper shredder and the collating copier. You don't >want to bobbitize yourself! > > >>4905 del ray ave., ste. 504 >bethesda, md 20814 > >does the inclusion of the address have anything to do with your advertizing >the fact that you're naked? wink, wink! > > > > >-patti _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 16:29:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47KTGl08714 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:29:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa73/t0orMqyDPEAkhDUR3s99JUjvaL436DbIqMtbnMfaaA8ZbwSMjyhASYCpZlp7M= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175BaG-000176-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 16:29:16 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:29:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Gimer haunts us with: > > accordingly, i'll be waiting, naked, as always, in my > office... AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!! Thanks, tg, now I'm desperately trying to claw out my mind's eye. Anyone got a nailgun? From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 16:38:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20101.mail.yahoo.com (web20101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g47KcLl08925 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020507203820.65534.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 13:38:20 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Quit already! Re: giving rides to terminally ill children To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can think of at least 2 children who are ill and who need to be terminally put out of their (and our) misery. And they can provide their own scoots, too. You can probably talk one into composing his own water/air/oil-tight libility disclaimer, too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 16:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail01d.rapidsite.net (mail01d.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g47Kgol09007 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.hartzler.net (209.130.84.17) by mail01d.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 074282 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (zing.hartzler.home [127.0.0.1]) by zing.hartzler.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g47KgaE09389 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:42:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:42:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Hmm... There is an interesting parallel between this case and the good ol' loud pipes debate -- In this case apparently Travis' actions were causing damage to the neighboring environment. Silt can certainly be quite destructive to streams. It's damage can be long lasting, or even permanent in some cases. This may be a case where the MC community would serve itself better by agreeing that it's important to ensure that runoff controls are in place, rather than risk alienating those who are concerned with fishing, boating and/or the environment. At issue here is whether off-road riding can be allowed without risking permanent damage to the environment. This case could easily become yet another tool of those who would outlaw all off-road riding. It's also worth noting that silt laden runoff is easily detected and traced to it's source from the air; no warrant necessary. Satellite imagery similarly documents land modification over time. -ph On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jon Strang wrote: > So much for property rights..... From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 17:06:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47L6Gl09490 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (smtp-relay02-qfe3 [10.13.10.225]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g47L6FPZ018804 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GVREMC00.DBF for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:12 -0700 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GVREMB00.V19 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:06:08 -0400 Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001e01c1f5fc$b000ca10$0100a8c0@XP1> Message-Id: <409FF43D-61FE-11D6-B1C0-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) On Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 03:23 , Bruce Norton wrote: > I tried to express my opinion as politely as I could and I'm still > attacked. Attacked? Really, how droll. Bruce, you're much to sensitive. This would seem to explain why you tend to lurk, though. > The rhetoric between Tom and Chuck..... SNIP > .....I POLITELY asked him to > tone it down. That's "caterwauling"? Ok, perhaps my comments were a bit hyperbolic......but I think they're certainly applicable now. > I wasn't aware that you are an accurate barometer of what I think. How > do > you know what EVERYONE on the list thinks? Because I lurk more than I > post > am I not a member of the list? Yes, I am an accurate barometer of this list. But I'm a poor list thermometer. And an even worse list-anemometer. (This is what is typically referred to as "sarcasm". Take notes, there will be a quiz.) Puh-LEEZE. Gag me with a spoon. Do I need to start putting in "sarcasm tags" when appropriate, just for your benefit? Everyone else seems to get it. You're buddies with Gimer, and he gets it. Maybe if you ask real nice, he'll explain it to you. Hey Chuck, do you have an emoticon that expresses someone strenuously rolling their eyes or shaking their head? Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 17:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47L73l09500 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:07:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaysBn0LOYuPrhzeq1QDC5Zek25HIOS38BrX84DvB/kCTG55tcTpwQ7AJx36NyY4VQ= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175CAn-0002Pg-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 17:07:01 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Maryland sucks. Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:06:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Not really, ph. They did try to ensure that all the right stuff was done, and have been pretty successful. At the end of the article, the author (finally) admits: -------------- "As far as the wetlands are concerned, he's in compliance with our regulations," said John S. Verrico, a spokesman for the Maryland Department of the Environment. The Army Corps of Engineers reviewed and approved the restoration plan, Jordan said. ----------------- Pastrana approached the gov't to request to build an additional foam practice pit. While the inspectors were there, they found some other clearing had been done with the incorrect permit. It is really a matter of "what permit do I need this week to keep you off of my back." The bottom line is that no matter how hard you try to play by the rules, they can regulate you to death. --jon > Peter Hartzler wrote: > > Hmm... > > There is an interesting parallel between this case and the good ol' loud > pipes debate -- In this case apparently Travis' actions were causing > damage to the neighboring environment. Silt can certainly be quite > destructive to streams. It's damage can be long lasting, or even > permanent in some cases. > > This may be a case where the MC community would serve itself better by > agreeing that it's important to ensure that runoff controls are in place, > rather than risk alienating those who are concerned with fishing, boating > and/or the environment. > > At issue here is whether off-road riding can be allowed without risking > permanent damage to the environment. This case could easily become yet > another tool of those who would outlaw all off-road riding. > > It's also worth noting that silt laden runoff is easily detected and > traced to it's source from the air; no warrant necessary. Satellite > imagery similarly documents land modification over time. > > -ph > > On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jon Strang wrote: > > > So much for property rights..... > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 17:18:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47LISl09731 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from M2W056 ([168.144.108.56]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 7 May 2002 17:18:27 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:18:27 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 21:18:27.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAAE7380:01C1F60C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g47LITl09732 > Hey Chuck, do you have an emoticon that expresses someone strenuously rolling their eyes or shaking their head? Not really, but how's this for something lame and half-assed? WTF???=8^o -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 17:41:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47LfBl10050 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer ([67.208.73.137]) by cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Tue, 7 May 2002 14:40:27 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: pirelli supercorsa tires Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:42:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 21:40:27.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD95BF50:01C1F60F] I need a rear pirelli supercorsa tire for this weekend(track day), but i cannot find it anywhere. Does anyone know if they would object to using 2 different tires? i have a pirelli supercorsa front? Ricardo From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 18:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47MC4l10694 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175DBS-0003p6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:11:47 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507181112.00c14df0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 18:13:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:25 AM 5/7/2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >Mayhaps this flamefest could be taken off list. Flames? You call those flames? Hardly even a pilot light...c'mon, guys, take the gloves off. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 18:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47MDHl10716 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175DCq-0005qR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:13:13 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507181354.00c0f700@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 18:14:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E722@NCEAEXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:45 AM 5/7/2002, bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: >At least they're not advocating synthetic oil or the superiority of the >Glock 9mm. We don't tolerate any of those putrid scum. Wait a minute, that's it! Glock Synthetic Moto Oil! We're rich! -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 18:36:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47MaRl11127 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175DZI-0006d8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:36:24 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507183408.00c2ab60@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 18:38:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children In-Reply-To: References: <002701c1f5df$aaa72f40$0100a8c0@XP1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:35 PM 5/7/2002, Sean Jordan wrote: >.... I still think it's funny, and I'm an accurate barometer of what the >list thinks. Well, there we have it. No need to consume all this bandwidth. Kill the list, and everyone just send your emails to Sean, who will ponder and respond with the collective wisdom of the moto universe. Not interested in a job as an aide to Al Haig, are you, Sean? 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 18:40:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47MeOl11150 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bjarney (4J32I.cm.gscyclone.com [24.206.12.171]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20782 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:40:22 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020507185349.0479a8a8@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 18:53:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:23 PM 5/7/02 -0400, you wrote: >I tried to express my opinion as politely as I could and I'm still attacked. > >The rhetoric between Tom and Chuck reminds me of two people who enjoy >inciting each other, at first it's fun to poke at each other, tit for tat, >one upping the other with ever increasing levels of minor insults, but after >a while the jabs get worse and more pointed. After a while all the little >smileys in the world won't help a bit. I think Chuck is the worse offender >of the two. Tom asks questions that rile Chuck. Chuck makes humorous >(vicious) insults towards Tom. Where does it end? I POLITELY asked him to >tone it down. That's "caterwauling"? > >I wasn't aware that you are an accurate barometer of what I think. How do >you know what EVERYONE on the list thinks? Because I lurk more than I post >am I not a member of the list? > >Bruce One thing I love about e-mail lists is the ability to filter at the server level any particular subject or e-mail address that you don't want to receive. If a certain list subscriber annoys you, just setup a nice filter and *voila* they disappear into the ether :-) I admin/moderator some car related e-mail lists (majordomo and mailman) and unless you have very specific rules WRT subjects, they can get out of hand quickly. My .02 :-) -- Wayne 'procmail is your friend!' From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 18:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20104.mail.yahoo.com (web20104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g47MeVl11160 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020507224030.57210.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:40:30 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: is this guy for real? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://mototuneuse.com/ Some/lot of the stuff doesn't smell right. Is this yet another hoax site designed to mislead and confuse? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 19:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47Nefl12302 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p51.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.179]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g47NeYHw002740 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:40:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Maryland sucks. Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal There is an interesting parallel between this case and the good ol' loud pipes debate -- In this case apparently Travis' actions were causing damage to the neighboring environment. Silt can certainly be quite destructive to streams. It's damage can be long lasting, or even permanent in some cases. ... It's also worth noting that silt laden runoff is easily detected and traced to it's source from the air; no warrant necessary. Satellite imagery similarly documents land modification over time. [Dave] Without addressing the overflight issue, my point was to NEVER allow a government official on to your property without a court order or warrant, period. Ever. Overflight pictures or not, somebody still has to verify the conditions, typically, a department of.... whatever official. It's yours, you paid for it, the government has zero business there unless / until you cause harm to someone else. For reference, remember Fairfax County's 'Shrub man' ? the Golf course guy that spent time in jail because of a zoning violation last year ? If the department of impure thoughts comes knocking at your door, they've been sent there, and anything you say will be noted somewhere, so send them away in search of a court order before they find something to screw with you about... it's none of their business. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 20:04:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4804wl12739 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-41.patriot.net [209.249.181.41]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4804tW17234; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:04:56 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD86D0A.20287C0A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:10:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. References: <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > There is an interesting parallel between this case and the good ol' loud > pipes debate -- In this case apparently Travis' actions were causing > damage to the neighboring environment. Silt can certainly be quite > destructive to streams. It's damage can be long lasting, or even > permanent in some cases. > ... > > It's also worth noting that silt laden runoff is easily detected and > traced to it's source from the air; no warrant necessary. Satellite > imagery similarly documents land modification over time. > > [Dave] Without addressing the overflight issue, my point was to NEVER > allow a government official on to your property without a court order or > warrant, period. Ever. Overflight pictures or not, somebody still has > to verify the conditions, typically, a department of.... whatever > official. It's yours, you paid for it, the government has zero business > there unless / until you cause harm to someone else. > > For reference, remember Fairfax County's 'Shrub man' ? the Golf course > guy that spent time in jail because of a zoning violation last year ? > If the department of impure thoughts comes knocking at your door, > they've been sent there, and anything you say will be noted somewhere, > so send them away in search of a court order before they find something > to screw with you about... Yep, I remember the golf range case. The guy had a plan approved by zoning, he ignored said plan, was served with proper papers and proceeded to cop a HUGE attitude with the judge. He was an a**hole looking for a place to fart. Zoning/land use violations *are* the county's business. But local covenants of the snotty subdivision kind should be banned forever. The county is welcome to survey my digs, but the "Prissy Hollow Architectural Committee may sit a large splintery fence post and rotate... Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 20:26:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g480Qrl13070 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p51.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.179]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g480QoHw008479 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:26:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Maryland sucks. Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:25:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c1f626$e3048940$b381c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3CD86D0A.20287C0A@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Bill reminisced - Yep, I remember the golf range case. The guy had a plan approved by zoning, he ignored said plan, was served with proper papers and proceeded to cop a HUGE attitude with the judge. He was an a**hole looking for a place to fart. [Dave] I was under the impression that he had complied with the county's request (plan), but then, FFX changed it and required him to make several hundred thousand dollars more of modifications, and he refused. No innocent party here, but the only competing golf ranges were - surprise - county owned ! Zoning/land use violations *are* the county's business. [Dave] to an extent, but Shrub man's case was a perfect case of why ass holes should never be employed in government service... But local covenants of the snotty subdivision kind should be banned forever. The county is welcome to survey my digs, but the "Prissy Hollow Architectural Committee may sit a large splintery fence post and rotate... [Dave] That's why I moved somewhere with NO hoa. Eons ago, I served on a covenants board. They were insisting that I and another motorcyclist park per the rules - 1 vehicle per space, including my bike. I presented the board with a plan to park the bike & my car in one space. Common sense was not permitted to prevail. So, the other biker & I and several others on my street joined the covenants committee. We changed the parking rules wholesale. The board was unable to mount a reasonable objection, our rules were then submitted to the court & the bylaws changed. Problem solved. WAY too much work so I could simply park MY bike in front of MY car in MY assigned space... FTS. Never again. $hit. Now I need another beer. I'm shivering just *thinking* about HOA's... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 20:41:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g480fil13320 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-43-224.s986.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.224] helo=D7XFG711) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175FWY-0001tA-00 for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:41:43 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01c1f628$87f61260$e02b2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" References: <000301c1f626$e3048940$b381c0cf@nih.gov> Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:37:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well, speaking as a design and construction professional, if you approach the whole approvals and inspection process with an adversarial attitude, you reap what you sow. Even my dealings with District code officials have been perfectly amicable. When you approach them with a professional attitude, treat them not as the "enemy" but as a person with a job to do, most (and I emphasize most, there are a-holes out there) are willing to work with you. Every code has nuances that must be interpreted. As they say, "we can either do this the hard way or the easy way." Seems like the Maryland folks cited in the story were asking for trouble if they *invited* inspectors onto their property when non-permitted work was going on. Not too bright in my opinion. Paul in DC < Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: RE: Maryland sucks. > Bill reminisced - > > Yep, I remember the golf range case. The guy had a plan approved by > zoning, > he ignored said plan, was served with proper papers and proceeded to cop > a > HUGE attitude with the judge. He was an a**hole looking for a place to > fart. > > [Dave] I was under the impression that he had complied with the > county's request (plan), but then, FFX changed it and required him to > make several hundred thousand dollars more of modifications, and he > refused. No innocent party here, but the only competing golf ranges > were - surprise - county owned ! > > > Zoning/land use violations *are* the county's business. > > [Dave] to an extent, but Shrub man's case was a perfect case of why ass > holes should never be employed in government service... > > But local covenants > of the snotty subdivision kind should be banned forever. The county is > welcome to survey my digs, but the "Prissy Hollow Architectural > Committee > may sit a large splintery fence post and rotate... From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 20:56:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g480ufl13586 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXPxK/ec5LQUUKFiY6wfZj9apVtX8VY/piw=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GZ9F8HWX; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:55:13 EDT To: ricardo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:39:43 -0400 Subject: BB Leathers, Back Protectors and Knee Pucks Message-ID: <20020507.205257.-89602117.10.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-9,12-13,17-18,20-22,24,26,28 From: Tom Fitzpatrick A well crafted, properly fitting set of leathers can make all the difference in losing battles with gravity and friction. This is not like the Busa or GSXR1000 as starter bike thread. In protective equipment, you should start out with the best you can get. In my experience, Barnacle Bill makes the best buy in new, custom fit, high end quality, mid-range priced leathers. Each suit is made to your specifications. And although you won't get a suit like this for $500, you will get a great value, and it will cost hundreds less than comparable suits elsewhere. I highly recommend that you contact Bill and run your requirements by him. He can be reached by email at barnacle@XXXXXX , or through his web site at www.racingleather.com Responding to demand, Bill just added his own BB back protectors and knee puck sliders to his line. He also does repairs, tailoring (taking in, letting out), cleaning, lettering and installing aero humps on existing suits, regardless of brand. Bill is a great guy, and if you talk to him about your needs, you will have made a great friend, whether you buy a suit from him or not. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 20:57:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g480vDl13657 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXPxK/ec5LQUUKFiY6wfZj9b2X0adSyaoEQ=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GZ9F8HX9; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:55:13 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:49:05 -0400 Subject: CCS at Summit Point on May 11-12 Message-ID: <20020507.205257.-89602117.11.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-4,16-17,19-27,29-32,34,36-37,39,41,43-46,48,50,52,54,56-58,60,62,64,66,68,70-72,74 From: Tom Fitzpatrick MARRC Secretary Randy Dalmas shares with us the following announcement about this weekend's competition at Summit Point. More information can be obtained from http://www.marrc.org and http://www.ccsracing.com The big news, of course, is that the announcer (me) will once again be donning his leathers (o.k., squeezing into them) to try to pick up a trophy or two in the SuperSingles and LW Sportsman classes. I rode the GB600RR (rolling roadblock) on the track for the first time in three years at Monday's Team ProMotion event. I have to admit, I was so slow, even *I* was embarrassed. But I hung in there. I wore my street leathers Monday, but will need to wear my racing leathers for CCS. To do that, I put them on today, and got into the shower. Soaking wet, I went to the garage and got on the bike to start stretching a suit designed 20 pounds ago to allow me to crouch down on the tank. Seems to have worked. After this event, if I continue racing, I will be getting a new Barnacle Bill suit, resigning myself to my constant companion - obesity. So come on out and cheer for the fattest, slowest guy on the track, and maybe I'll announce your name! Tom #806 --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Randy Dalmas To: MARRC Announce Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [MARRC-announce] CCS at Summit Point on May 11-12 Join MARRC and CCS for regional sprint racing on May 11 and 12. A whole host of racing activities will be taking place, including the MARRC Roadracing School (RRS) on May 10 on the Jefferson Circuit. The RRS will be hosting its first Friday school on May 10 in conjuction with CCS's Sport Rider Days. While street riders try their hand at performance riding on a track, the MARRC RRS will be preparing the next generation of motorcycle roadracers. As with all MARRC activities, the RRS instructors are volunteers, and will passing on their experience to new racers. Anyone who would like to participate or lend a hand should contact RRS Director Brian Summers at racerbri@XXXXXX, or Rick Beggs at rickbeggs@XXXXXX. MARRC welcomes anyone who would like to volunteer with the renowned MARRC Safety Crew on May 11 and 12. If you are planning to work with the safety crew, you may contact our membership secretary at signup@XXXXXX. Don't forget that all MARRC volunteers earn a complimentary admission to the track, and meals all throughout the weekend. And remember that MARRC need volunteers not only as cornerworkers, but as cooks, writers, and drivers to help the weekend run smoothly. If you have never cornerworked before, MARRC offers an outstanding training and orientation class on Saturday, May 11, for all newcomers. Not only are you introduced to the procedures for operating a safe race, but you will see all the aspects of a race weekend including each corner on the track, scoring, control, and starting procedures. This training is so good that the AMA and Formula USA adopted the program for their own cornerworkers. Contact Roger Bacon at training@XXXXXX for details. For more information, see the MARRC website at www.marrc.org. CCS?s website is at www.ccsracing.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 21:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g481Gkl14005 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g481GeI03432; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:16:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200205080116.g481GeI03432@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: EMUmail 5.0 X-Note: Latest version at http://EmuMail.com X-Originating-Ip: 151.201.149.30 X-Webmail-User: roach@XXXXXX To: ricardo@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Http_host: speedwerks.dcc-racing.org From: roach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: pirelli supercorsa tires Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 1:16:38 GMT Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX Tech inspection won't have a prob... but running diff brand tires front/rear can cause the bike to handle a bit odd (profile differences). What kind of bike / what size do you need? Are you doing the NESBA summit event? If they're bringing a tire changer, I can bring you a tire and throw it on (we have a good relationship with NESBA), not a prob. - Roach On Tue, 7 May 2002 17:42:31 -0400 "Ricardo Pontes" wrote: > > I need a rear pirelli supercorsa tire for this weekend(track day), but i > cannot find it anywhere. Does anyone know if they would object to using 2 > different tires? i have a pirelli supercorsa front? > > Ricardo --------------------------------------------------------- This message sent using EMUmail -- http://www.emumail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Jumping through hoops to get E-mail on the road? You've got two choices: Join the circus, or use MollyMail. Molly Mail -- http://www.mollymail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 7 22:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g482hPl15259 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175HQF-0006be-00; Tue, 07 May 2002 19:43:19 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 22:44:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. Cc: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <3CD86D0A.20287C0A@patriot.net> References: <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:10 PM 5/7/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >Yep, I remember the golf range case. The guy had a plan approved by zoning, >he ignored said plan, was served with proper papers and proceeded to cop a >HUGE attitude with the judge. He was an a**hole looking for a place to >fart. Bill, it was a much more complicated case developing over a much longer period than that description would indicate. Loudon County intrigue rivals the big city! >.... But local covenants >of the snotty subdivision kind should be banned forever. The county is >welcome to survey my digs, but the "Prissy Hollow Architectural Committee >may sit a large splintery fence post and rotate... Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going in -- sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't buy in. Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. Besides, it's never the covenants themselves that are the problem -- it's living in and dealing with a potentially random group of people, and the politics that develop among them. Not unlike a commune. Or a mailing list. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 01:12:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20110.mail.yahoo.com (web20110.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g485Ckl17474 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 01:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020508051245.48545.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.233.74] by web20110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:12:45 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: CCS at Summit Point on May 11-12 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020507.205257.-89602117.11.CelticRacing@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > donning his leathers (o.k., squeezing into them) to try to pick up a > trophy or two in the SuperSingles and LW Sportsman classes. I rode damn, there goes my hope for wood on the slowest piloted GS known to man. > GB600RR (rolling roadblock) on the track for the first time in three > years at Monday's Team ProMotion event. I have to admit, I was so Heck, I'm so *slow* I can count the ants crossing under my tires. I don't even know what fast *is* let alone capable of being ashamed at my forward velocity. > maybe I'll announce your name! Here's a $20 spot. point out the white guy on #385 will ya? And hopefully without a lot of biting commentary as to how moss is growing on my feet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 01:14:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20106.mail.yahoo.com (web20106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g485Etl17486 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 01:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020508051451.15763.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.233.74] by web20106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:14:51 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: is this guy for real? fixed URL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005501c1f627$0394b7c0$e02b2c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry about the typo. It's mototuneusA.com > > http://mototuneuse.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 08:33:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48CXDl24299 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-204.patriot.net [209.249.180.204]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48CXAW13930; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:33:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD91C68.47652D99@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:39:04 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. References: <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@nih.gov> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in > places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going > in -- sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with > copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't buy in. > Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the > oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. > Correct, I would never buy into a covenent restricted `hood. When I bought this joint I never saw a covenent documnet - turned out the `hood did have one, but a search of variosu records only turned up ONE copy. A bunch of us read it - laughing over the part that *prevented* us from selling our dive to "a person of color". Then we tossed that one copy into a bonfire and declared our `hood covenent free. > Besides, it's never the covenants themselves that are the problem -- > it's living in and dealing with a potentially random group of people, > and the politics that develop among them. Not unlike a commune. > Or a mailing list. Yes, we have plenty of wars here, but the lack of a silly covenet restricts the wars to whatever fairfax county feels like making a zoning law, some of which are equallyt silly. The grass law? Hahahaha... Or how about only using 25% of one's front lawn for parking vehicles? I'm on a corner lot -- where exactly is my front lawn since the main driveway is on the official side of the house? That was an attempt to restrict total vehickles. Oops. My all time high was 9 cages, now I've trimmed the pack to 3 cages, 2 motorcycles, and two boats on trailers. Parking in the yrad is cool, less grass to mow! Bill - mah home is mah castle... From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 08:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48CX7l24296 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:33:01 -0400 Received: by hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:32:47 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 05/07/02 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:32:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >So maybe those involved could get out >their measuring tapes, whip out their, uh, competition accessories, and >settle once and for all who is the Alpha Male. Didn't Naomi Wolfe appoint Al Gore as the Alpha Male? From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 08:43:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ncifcrf.gov (mail.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.100.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48Ch3l24483 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitko10.ncifcrf.gov ([129.43.47.227]) by mail.ncifcrf.gov (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48Ch2N13501 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508084122.029163a0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:45:18 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: BB Leathers, Back Protectors and Knee Pucks In-Reply-To: <20020507.205257.-89602117.10.CelticRacing@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I got my racing leathers from him And quite frankly they are amazing. They are well made, not to mention aesthetically pleasing. They fit perfectly, as there is no way I could ever fit in an off the rack size. Bill was wonderful through the entire process, and as Tom said he is a GREAT guy. If you have any questions about my suit, you can contact me Lori From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 08:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ncifcrf.gov (mail.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.100.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48CmPl24563 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitko10.ncifcrf.gov ([129.43.47.227]) by mail.ncifcrf.gov (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48CmON14350 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508084702.0245f080@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:50:40 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: CCS at Summit Point on May 11-12 In-Reply-To: <20020507.205257.-89602117.11.CelticRacing@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed One additional thing- if you have the time to spare, and are planning on coming out anyway, why not plan on volunteering to cornerwork? The class starts at 9am on Saturday and goes until the end of the day. The morning is class time- the afternoon you are out on the track with another worker. Its a lot of fun, you have great seats- and you don't have any obligation to come back if you don't like it. Remember, MARRC is completely run by volunteers and without them there wouldn't be motorcycle racing at Summit Point. Come check it out! "If you have never cornerworked before, MARRC offers an outstanding training and orientation class on Saturday, May 11, for all newcomers. Not only are you introduced to the procedures for operating a safe race, but you will see all the aspects of a race weekend including each corner on the track, scoring, control, and starting procedures. This training is so good that the AMA and Formula USA adopted the program for their own cornerworkers. Contact Roger Bacon at training@XXXXXX for details" From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 08:53:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48CrSl24667 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g48CrPI04233; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:53:25 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:53:24 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@nih.gov> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02050808532402.17037@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 07 May 2002 22:44, Larry Larson wrote: > Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in > places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going > in -- sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with > copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't buy in. > Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the > oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front door. The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should really seek professional help. The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them when they threaten to do something illegal :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 09:12:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48DCZl25010 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g48DCO200974 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:12:24 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508090554.02359fd0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 09:12:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. In-Reply-To: <02050808532402.17037@firewall.dcc-racing.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:53 AM 5/8/2002, Brian Roach wrote: >The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just >Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't >have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where >someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front door. HOAs are double edged. They keep the neighborhood looking as it was designed, but they are also generally a pain in the ass. I grew up in 'Little Rocky Run' known formally as 'Little Rocky Russia' at the time. Sheds had to have a matching roof pitch, shingle and siding. Plus trim color. I now live in a development with no HOA. I love it. No rusted out cars in the back yard, but there is the occasional yard debris pile that won't go away, or an ugly fence. I could care less. HOAs strip the life and individuality out of the neighborhood. It is hard to get away from them though. Moto content : Maryland driver (in VA) cut me off yesterday turning right on red, then swerved two lanes and slammed on her brakes before the next light. Young female driver with a cig in the left hand and a cell phone in the right. Ugh. Get thee back to thy own damned state. I finished my commute with some sort of Styrofoam explosion at 5100/66 and Clifton backroads dead stopped because it was sprinkling. Cooled off my leathers anyway. Looked like I was on fire with the steam. Caged it today. No interest in high winds and T-storms this afternoon. If the weather monkeys get it right this time (doubtful). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 09:19:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48DIxl25100 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g48DJnU26993 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:19:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. In-Reply-To: <02050808532402.17037@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 May 2002, Brian Roach wrote: > The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them > when they threaten to do something illegal :) Ya... try being a ham radio operator and wanting to put up antennas -- for which there is a /federal/ "reasonable accomodations for..." pre-emption. You still often have a fight. See: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/antenna-restrictions.html Ob Moto -- I changed the winter air out of my tires. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 09:21:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48DLfl25185 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadscomputer.att.net ([12.91.139.178]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020508132126.UJYH18857.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:21:26 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508091112.02383470@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 09:21:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. In-Reply-To: <02050808532402.17037@firewall.dcc-racing.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:53 AM 5/8/2002 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: >The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board >of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should >really seek professional help. > >The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them >when they threaten to do something illegal :) > >- Roach One of the reasons that I sold my townhouse in Reston and moved to Herndon was because of the RHOA and their design and review board. Now, it's bad enough that there even *is* a review board that has to approve anything done to the exterior of your home, but to not have any consistency AT ALL is ridiculous. For example, my townhouse was immaculate. A perfect (postage stamp sized) front lawn, flowers, new paint, windows, deck out back etc. My neighbor, a renter on the other hand had mud for a yard, siding that was peeling off, missing shingles, and a front storm door that was always swung open because the retention spring was broke and the glass on the door was broken out. Additionally, two of the four front window screens were missing and the porch light was hanging by it's electrical wires. It was this way for at least 4 years. I was pinged by the RHOA because MY REAR PORCH LIGHT WAS BRASS INSTEAD OF BLACK LIKE MY NEIGHBORS!!!. And my next door neighbor was totally ignored! When I brought this up to RHOA, their response was that they "can't see every flaw in every home, they just take a sample". When I sold the home, RHOA required me to repaint the eaves the original color, which MUST be purchased at a specific paint shop...that has (get this), BEEN OUT OF BUSINESS FOR 10 YEARS! It took me two weeks to get them to "allow" me to buy a like color from a Benjamin Moore paint store and I had to give the new owner documentation that showed my authorized "waiver" to use another brand! What exotic color was this you ask? WHITE!!!! From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 09:22:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-93.outblaze.com [205.158.62.93]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g48DM8l25195 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19453 invoked by uid 1001); 8 May 2002 13:21:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020508132158.19451.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [65.105.138.205] by ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for ghub@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 May 2002 08:21:58 -0500 From: "Gerald Hubbard" To: ricardo@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:21:58 -0500 Subject: Leather Suit <$500 X-Originating-Ip: 65.105.138.205 X-Originating-Server: ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com Ricardo, Last week I purchased a new set of Leathers from Velocity in Richmond. They are next door to Moto Europa. They also have a ton of interesting bikes for sale. All vintage! The style is Xpert, X-2000 series from First Manufacturing. The jacket is perf'd leather and has pads that can be replaced by CE Armor. He will sell the jacket CE Armor pads for $37. The pants have a universal zipper for attaching to the jacket and armor, but no knee sliders. Those can be added with a velcro patch or just use a strap-on. Somebody else on the list might be expert at strap-ons. I was shopping for Dainese or custom Vansons at Moto Europa before venturing into Velocity. I usually visit Velocity to see the bikes. The owner has added clothing to his inventory since my last visit. At $456 for pants and jacket, it was too good a deal to pass up. The pants are at Bedos now for taking in the waist to match my svelte figure. At 6'5" and 205lbs, I was not easy to fit. Good Luck, Gerald Ducati ST4 -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Email.com http://www.email.com/?sr=signup From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 09:32:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g48DWgl25489 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6078 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 06:32:28 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.169 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 8 May 2002 06:32:28 -0700 X-Sent: 8 May 2002 13:32:28 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 06:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, abutler@XXXXXX, jshcentr@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: truck and muscles X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 06:32:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020508063228.5216.h005.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> This is definitely off-topic, so please forgive...I need someone with a truck or large SUV in the Centreville area to help me move two pieces of furniture. If anyone is willing and able, I will repay the favor!!!!! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 09:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48DhVl25682 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-47-1.s1779.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.1] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175Rj6-00027b-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 09:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c1f696$a5362180$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Brian Roach" , "Larry Larson" , References: <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@nih.gov> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <02050808532402.17037@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Subject: OT: HOAs, was Re: Maryland sucks. Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:43:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 The problem with HOAs is that while "you know what you're getting into" when you buy, but you are at the mercy of whatever busy-body control freaks serve on the board, whatever personal vendettas are being aired, etc., over the interpretation of the covenants and new requirements the HOA sees fit to adopt. Construction in our historic neighborhood is subject to architectural review by a city-wide review board (which you can appeal BTW, to the DC Council and the courts), but nothing that approaches HOA-style regulation. Unless a HOA is in direct conflict with laws or the underlying covenants they're isn't a whole lot you can do but try to get the leadership changed. The DC historic preservation regs. apply to new construction and substantial renovation. You can paint your house any color you want. The place where my brother lives in the burbs is not even six months old and they're already having HOA parking wars because people use their garages for storage and park their cages outside. No matter where you live you're going to run into conflicts with your neighbors over potentially obnoxious behavior that reflects on the whole block, but I prefer to work things out informally without a HOA. I find peer pressure is a very effective tool. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" > On Tuesday 07 May 2002 22:44, Larry Larson wrote: > > > Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in > > places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going > > in -- sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with > > copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't buy in. > > Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the > > oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. > > The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just > Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't > have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where > someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front door. > > The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board > of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should > really seek professional help. > > The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them > when they threaten to do something illegal :) > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 09:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48Duvl25873 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-204.patriot.net [209.249.180.204]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48DusW04745; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:56:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD93008.347662A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:02:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, abutler@XXXXXX, jshcentr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: truck and muscles References: <20020508063228.5216.h005.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a P/U with an 8' bed and a full size van. Problem is I'll be in NC until Monday. If no one steps up to help out before than, contact me here and we'll figure it out. Bill LAURA GRANATO wrote: > This is definitely off-topic, so please forgive...I > need someone with a truck or large SUV in the > Centreville area to help me move two pieces of > furniture. If anyone is willing and able, I will repay > the favor!!!!! > > Laura > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:01:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48E1Dl26018 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w044 ([168.144.108.44]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 8 May 2002 10:01:12 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Leather Suit <$500 Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:01:12 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 14:01:12.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFFE3590:01C1F698] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g48E1El26019 I thought this was G-rated family list. So we don't need to be discussing "strap-ons" and other such sex toys. Original Message: ----------------- with a velcro patch or just use a strap-on. Somebody else on the list might be expert at strap-ons. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:02:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48E2El26028 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-204.patriot.net [209.249.180.204]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48E2AW06128; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD93144.BE2BE885@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:08:04 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> <5.1.0.14.2.20020508091112.02383470@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > One of the reasons that I sold my townhouse in Reston and moved to Herndon was > because of the RHOA and their design and review board. Now, it's bad > enough that > there even *is* a review board that has to approve anything done to the > exterior of > your home, but to not have any consistency AT ALL is ridiculous. > > For example, my townhouse was immaculate. A perfect (postage stamp sized) > front > lawn, flowers, new paint, windows, deck out back etc. My neighbor, a > renter on the other > hand had mud for a yard, siding that was peeling off, missing shingles, and > a front storm > door that was always swung open because the retention spring was broke and > the glass > on the door was broken out. Additionally, two of the four front window > screens were missing > and the porch light was hanging by it's electrical wires. It was this way > for at least 4 years. > > I was pinged by the RHOA because MY REAR PORCH LIGHT WAS BRASS INSTEAD OF > BLACK LIKE MY NEIGHBORS!!!. And my next door neighbor was totally > ignored! When I > brought this up to RHOA, their response was that they "can't see every flaw > in every home, they > just take a sample". > > When I sold the home, RHOA required me to repaint the eaves the original > color, which MUST > be purchased at a specific paint shop...that has (get this), BEEN OUT OF > BUSINESS FOR 10 YEARS! > > It took me two weeks to get them to "allow" me to buy a like color from a > Benjamin Moore paint > store and I had to give the new owner documentation that showed my > authorized "waiver" to > use another brand! What exotic color was this you ask? WHITE!!!! CLASSIC! One of my pals wanted to paint his townhouse in Burke and was told he had to choose betwixt 7 "Williamsburg" colors. Do tell, since Williamsburg was rubble under the acumulated ground cover of treefall rotted to soil when rediscovered by those who search for original colonial sites, how do they know what colors were used? If any. Methinks paint wasn't a big issue back in those times. I say nieghborhood HOA commitees suck smega coated goat d**ks. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:16:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48EGGl26339 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g48EG6N14521; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:16:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:16:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200205081416.g48EG6N14521@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: OT: HOAs, was Re: Maryland sucks - but at least it's a State ;-) Larry asks RE: HOA Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going in -- sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't buy in. Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. Besides, it's never the covenants themselves that are the problem -- it's living in and dealing with a potentially random group of people, and the politics that develop among them. Not unlike a commune. Or a mailing list. [Dave] I would amend the above by saying that covenants and bylaws for communities are WRITTEN with a valid purpose - to preserve property value - but some are written poorly, some enforced poorly, some (HOA's) are populated poorly, or all of these... Roach Ruminated - The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front door. [Dave] While I am certainly not the end all, be all knowledge source on personal safety & security, nor do I profess to be, I would reccomend avoiding (living in) areas with a dense population such as an apartment complex, condo or townhouse development. Even some newer allegedly 'low (relatively) cost' single family home communities (Kingstowne Alexandria comes to mind). The reason for this is dense packing of humans (and their pets & progeny) in a small area. Many, but not all, of these communities are 'entry level' or low cost buy ins, which attract low income buyers (this is NOT necessarily bad), but, it also attracts buyers with government assistance. Some of these buyers, have been known to not take care of their property as enthusiastically as most. Then, when good entry level buyers gain enough of a financial foothold to 'move up', often for financial reasons, they need to rent. Renting got a lot trickier with the fair housing act, because you can't be particularly selective about renters without running afoul of the law... Density of population brings in crime. It creates a 'target rich environment for criminals. Many of these population rich, high target areas also have easy access to mass transportation, which is yet another draw for higher crime. Most of which is property crime, but you do see additional person on person crime too. Statistically, you are safer, and better off financially in an older neighborhood, with, coincidentally, zero covenants or HOA's and your bike will be safer too :-) Roach goes on to analyze - The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should really seek professional help. The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them when they threaten to do something illegal :) [Dave] I agree. When I served on the covenants board, I was shaking my head in disbelief that people actually cared about some of that nonsense. Just like in all aspects of life, there are residents that want to be left alone. These will be singled out by the board eventually as a dissenter, and targeted for ... special attention. And Roach's 'legal standing' comments should not serve to buoy anyone's hopes of an easy resolution to a problem. The law in your favor doesn't mean crap if the HOA refuses to follow it, until you sue them. Most won't put in the effort or $$$ to do that... If you're determined you can win, but it can cost you too, because just because the law says you *CAN* recover damages winning against an association, doesn't mean the judge will grant you legal costs (that 's a 2 way street). Some HOA's just LOVE to single out motorcyclists, and since there are fewer of us, we're unfortunately easy targets for special enforcement. Aki complained - I was pinged by the RHOA because MY REAR PORCH LIGHT WAS BRASS INSTEAD OF BLACK LIKE MY NEIGHBORS!!!. And my next door neighbor was totally ignored! When I brought this up to RHOA, their response was that they "can't see every flaw in every home, they just take a sample". [Dave] Then you should've gotten a lawyer & asserted discrimination. Where's Gimer when you need him? probably sparring with Pena in an email rant or something ;-) Seriously, if it's good enough for YOUR house, it's good enough for EVERY house or it's not enforceable. Paul adds - No matter where you live you're going to run into conflicts with your neighbors over potentially obnoxious behavior that reflects on the whole block, but I prefer to work things out informally without a HOA. I find peer pressure is a very effective tool. [Dave] I've NEVER had this problem. Maybe because I clean all my guns in public, for all to see (some of them). Maybe because I walk around the 'hood talking to myself LOUDLY... :-) don't knock it, I've had some of my best conversations that way ! I don't HAVE a loud pipe vehicle, but if I did, I'd venture to say that the neighbors would be a little nervous about having a 'neighbor conflict' with "that cool guy, Dave, and that nutcase, lunatic gun totin' wife o' his' ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:20:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmi.org ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48EKKl26453 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmi.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:20:06 -0400 Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD01077552@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: RE: HOAs (Maryland does suck) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:20:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1F69B.704023E0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F69B.704023E0 Content-Type: text/plain I guess it depends on where you live. I live in a Germantown single family neighborhood. The HOA has a 20 page list of rules, but seldom do they ever come down on anyone. Only in the blatant cases where families are disregarding basic 'common decency'. I have seen multiple satellite dishes go up without written permission to the HOA. They never really care. (Im very much against telling a homeowner that after he pays $300,000 dollars, he can't put up a $100 dish..) At any rate, I guess it just depends on who sits on the HOA committee. Adding some motorcycle content. Our HOA rules boldly state, there will be no MOTORCYCLE parking anywhere but in a garage. You may not park a cycle in your driveway, or on the road or sidewalk. I have NEVER seen this enforced in our HOA. Its simply in the rules. VFR content: Recently a fellow with a 2000 VFR moved in 5 doors down from me. Nice to have company!! We hit some nice roads Sunday in the Harpers Ferry area. There is this awesome little road right off the main road where you go into Harpers Ferry -- the route # escapes me. We decided to swap bikes. The first thing I noticed was he had a 46T rear sprocket. He also had a Corbin seat. I believe the stock 99 VFR comes with a 43T?? Well, let me just say.. WOW.. I kept the bike in 3rd gear (normally 2nd on mine) -- and kept the rpms 5-7K .. Can I just say again "WOW!" .. I couldn't believe the added power down low! The bike was not acting like a VFR. After the ride, getting back on mine - it just didn't feel right! The power was gone!! At any rate, I know Speedo error is greatly enhanced, but I think this is one mod I'd like to make. Also, the Corbin seat seemed to soak up a huge amount of vibration. Do all Corbin's do this? With my Sargent, I don't notice any vibration coming through the pan of the seat. Brian 99 VFR Germantown MD, HOA, 109$ x 4/yr (not too bad) -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:43 AM To: Brian Roach; Larry Larson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: HOAs, was Re: Maryland sucks. The problem with HOAs is that while "you know what you're getting into" when you buy, but you are at the mercy of whatever busy-body control freaks serve on the board, whatever personal vendettas are being aired, etc., over the interpretation of the covenants and new requirements the HOA sees fit to adopt. Construction in our historic neighborhood is subject to architectural review by a city-wide review board (which you can appeal BTW, to the DC Council and the courts), but nothing that approaches HOA-style regulation. Unless a HOA is in direct conflict with laws or the underlying covenants they're isn't a whole lot you can do but try to get the leadership changed. The DC historic preservation regs. apply to new construction and substantial renovation. You can paint your house any color you want. The place where my brother lives in the burbs is not even six months old and they're already having HOA parking wars because people use their garages for storage and park their cages outside. No matter where you live you're going to run into conflicts with your neighbors over potentially obnoxious behavior that reflects on the whole block, but I prefer to work things out informally without a HOA. I find peer pressure is a very effective tool. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" > On Tuesday 07 May 2002 22:44, Larry Larson wrote: > > > Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in > > places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going in -- > > sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with > > copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't > > buy in. > > Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the > > oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. > > The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just > Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that > doesn't have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you > restrict where someone can live if they don't want to ask before > painting their front door. > > The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board > of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should > really seek professional help. > > The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws > to them > when they threaten to do something illegal :) > > - Roach > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F69B.704023E0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT: RE: HOAs (Maryland does suck)

I guess it depends on where you live. I live in a = Germantown single family neighborhood.  The HOA has a 20 page list = of rules, but seldom do they ever come down on anyone.  Only in = the blatant cases where families are disregarding basic 'common = decency'. I have seen multiple satellite dishes go up without written = permission to the HOA.  They never really care.  (Im very = much against telling a homeowner that after he pays $300,000 dollars, = he can't put up a $100 dish..)  At any rate, I guess it just = depends on who sits on the HOA committee.

Adding some motorcycle content. Our HOA rules boldly = state, there will be no MOTORCYCLE parking anywhere but in a = garage.  You may not park a cycle in your driveway, or on the road = or sidewalk.  I have NEVER seen this enforced in our HOA. Its = simply in the rules. 

VFR content: Recently a fellow with a 2000 VFR moved = in 5 doors down from me.  Nice to have company!!  We hit some = nice roads Sunday in the Harpers Ferry area.  There is this = awesome little road right off the main road where you go into Harpers = Ferry -- the route # escapes me.  We decided to swap bikes.  = The first thing I noticed was he had a 46T rear sprocket.  He also = had a Corbin seat.  I believe the stock 99 VFR comes with a 43T?? = Well, let me just say.. WOW.. I kept the bike in 3rd gear (normally 2nd = on mine) -- and kept the rpms 5-7K .. Can I just say again = "WOW!" .. I couldn't believe the added power down low! The = bike was not acting like a VFR.  After the ride, getting back on = mine - it just didn't feel right!  The power was gone!!  At = any rate, I know Speedo error is greatly enhanced, but I think this is = one mod I'd like to make.  Also, the Corbin seat seemed to soak up = a huge amount of vibration.  Do all Corbin's do this?  With = my Sargent, I don't notice any vibration coming through the pan of the = seat.

Brian
99 VFR
Germantown MD, HOA, 109$ x 4/yr (not too bad)

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX= ]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:43 AM
To: Brian Roach; Larry Larson; = dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: OT: HOAs, was Re: Maryland sucks.


The problem with HOAs is that while "you know = what you're getting into" when you buy, but you are at the mercy = of whatever busy-body control freaks serve on the board, whatever = personal vendettas are being aired, etc., over the interpretation of = the covenants and new requirements the HOA sees fit to adopt.  = Construction in our historic neighborhood is subject to architectural = review by a city-wide review board (which you can appeal BTW, to the DC = Council and the courts), but nothing that approaches HOA-style = regulation.  Unless a HOA is in direct conflict with laws or the = underlying covenants they're isn't a whole lot you can do but try to = get the leadership changed.  The DC historic preservation regs. = apply to new construction and substantial renovation.  You can = paint your house any color you want.

The place where my brother lives in the burbs is not = even six months old and they're already having HOA parking wars because = people use their garages for storage and park their cages outside. = No matter where you live you're going to run into conflicts with your = neighbors over potentially obnoxious behavior that reflects on the = whole block, but I prefer to work things out informally without a = HOA.  I find peer pressure is a very effective tool.

Paul in DC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Roach" = <roach@XXXXXX>


> On Tuesday 07 May 2002 22:44, Larry Larson = wrote:
>
> > Why? Most people believe they serve a = valid purpose, especially in
> > places like here Old Town Alexandria.You = know about them going in --
> > sellers and associations are required by = law to provide you with
> > copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't = like the concept, don't
> > buy
in.
> > Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch = and moan for years about the
> > oppressive restrictions, which is what so = many people do.
>
> The problem with that logic is... there IS no = place in Alexandria (not
just
> Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the = last 10 years that
> doesn't have some snotty Homer Owner's = Association.  So now you
> restrict where someone can live if they don't = want to ask before
> painting their front
door.
>
> The second problem is that most of the people = who bother to be on the
board
> of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious = issues for which they
should
> really seek professional help.
>
> The only real fun thing about HOAs is = explaining State and local laws
> to
them
> when they threaten to do something illegal = :)
>
> - Roach
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F69B.704023E0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:32:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11105.mail.yahoo.com (web11105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g48EWKl26686 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020508143212.38514.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 07:32:12 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:32:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: OT: RE: HOAs (Maryland does suck) To: "ROBERSON, Brian" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD01077552@lmimaila.lmi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote: > Adding some motorcycle content. Our HOA rules boldly > state, there will be no > MOTORCYCLE parking anywhere but in a garage. You > may not park a cycle in > your driveway, or on the road or sidewalk. I have > NEVER seen this enforced > in our HOA. Its simply in the rules. It may be in the rules, however it's my understanding that it's illegal to enforce if your neighborhood received/s any sort of governmental assistance for road construction or maintenance or owns those roads. There have been recent precedents for this, as I recall. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:33:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48EXkl26709 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-165.s1181.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.165] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175SVk-00035C-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 10:33:45 -0400 Message-ID: <00ff01c1f69d$a9b82300$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , "Aki Damme" Cc: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@nih.gov> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020508091112.02383470@localhost> <3CD93144.BE2BE885@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:35:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Actually many Colonial-era paint colors are quite garish to modern eyes and would make Elvis blush. Bright greens, iridescent blues, and stunning yellows. Living in a gray and brown earth-tone world, with the occasional whitewash, the last thing you're going to do is paint something in muted tones. You spent money on paint (with expensive imported pigments) you wanted to really see it, like Geo. Washington's eye-popping Prussian blue at Mt. Vernon, the stunning green at Geo. Mason's place and Thomas Jefferson's bright yellow dome room at Monticello. Paint was a status symbol. The tasteful, soft, muted Martha Stewart "colonial" colors we're used to resulted from what Bill says, age, when the original research was done. Pigment analysis is much more sophisticated these days. The color nazis are talking out of their hats when it comes to the issue of "authentic" colors. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > > CLASSIC! One of my pals wanted to paint his townhouse in Burke and was told he > had to choose betwixt 7 "Williamsburg" colors. Do tell, since Williamsburg was > rubble under the acumulated ground cover of treefall rotted to soil when > rediscovered by those who search for original colonial sites, how do they know > what colors were used? If any. Methinks paint wasn't a big issue back in those > times. > > I say nieghborhood HOA commitees suck smega coated goat d**ks. > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:47:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fcps1.org ([207.199.171.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48Ekul27039 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher [192.168.7.12] by fcps1.org (SMTPD32-7.06) id A98DF30118; Wed, 08 May 2002 10:43:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c1f69f$c16c7cb0$0c07a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: SV race bikes for sale: SPAM Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:50:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 OK gang, I can't race this season so I am selling it all (mostly)... Here is the deal... '00 SV650: New Penske triple adjustable shock, front forks reworked by traxxion dynamics with emulators, .95 springs, and heavier oil, M4 exhaust system, New CFM rearsets and clip-ons, brand new full bodywork (not installed except tail), Stainless Brake lines with New EBC pads (1 track day) New GP Tech fairing bracket, steering damper (I forget the brand), Rennsports with 1 race weekend and 1 track day, dented tank :( I bought this bike with the dented tank from someone who wrecked it on the street and converted it to a racebike, I have not replaced or repaired the tank since it works fine). I have a set of rain tires mounted on wheels that I would also include with this setup. This bike has 2 race weekends on it and 2 track days. Asking price is $4800 with the extra wheels, $4500 without the extra wheels. '99 SV650: New Penske triple adjustable shock, front forks have .95 springs and heavier oil, stock exhaust - but have TBR exhaust can with headers that needs a connector pipe, complete 520 conversion w/ 2 race weekends, New CFM rearsets and clip-ons, CCS & WERA legal belly pan, stock rear plastic, dented tank :( I wrecked this bike and that is what dented the tank. I replaced other damaged parts like rearsets and clip-ons, but did not replace or repair the tank. It holds gas fine.) This bike has 9 race weekends on it. Asking price is $3500. I would sell both as a package for $7800 with the extra wheels, $7500 without the extra wheels. I am sure there are other things like used tires and street parts etc. that I would throw in, but these are the things that I can think of off the top of my head. If anyone is interested let me know. Right now I don't want to consider parting out the bikes. Thanks, Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) (for sale) '99 SV (racebike) (for sale) '98 Superhawk (for sale) www.onewayracing.org CSBA #150 ...................................... From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48EsTl27191 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GVS00K01S2L2Z@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:54:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GVS00J5ES2LPN@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:54:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GVS00801S21CR@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:54:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.193]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GVS00755S1YMS@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:53:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CD93BDE.47DDB6D9@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> <5.1.0.14.2.20020508090554.02359fd0@XXXXXX> Troutman wrote: > > Caged it today. No interest in high winds and T-storms this afternoon. If > the weather monkeys get it right this time (doubtful). What's that? Bad weather this afternoon? I didn't bother listening to the weather guessers get it wrong a second day in a row (really nasty thunderstorms we had yesterday, weren't they?) - it was a nice ride in to work this morning. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:55:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48Etvl27236 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GVS00601S4LRM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:55:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GVS0063HS4LKE@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:55:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GVS00901S4K58@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:55:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.193]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GVS005ONS45ZW@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:55:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:54:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CD93C2C.7873CB40@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> <5.1.0.14.2.20020508090554.02359fd0@XXXXXX> Troutman wrote: > > Caged it today. No interest in high winds and T-storms this afternoon. BTW, I love this subject header. Somebody start a flame war or something, it'd be a hoot to see "Maryland sucks" 100 times in everybody's in-box today... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 10:56:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48Euel27266 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:56:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HOA Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:56:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Same with the ruins in Athens. I still remember the shock of learning that one day in History of Architecture. The HOA where I live in McCLean doesn't allow MCs or pick-ups. I think it has something to do with motorcycle gangs fighting each other, luckily that hasn't happened in years. They let me hide mine under a cover and in-front of my car. I'm still upset they let a pick-up move in across the courtyard, what a white trash vehicle. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:36 AM To: William J. Huson; Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. Actually many Colonial-era paint colors are quite garish to modern eyes and would make Elvis blush. Bright greens, iridescent blues, and stunning yellows. Living in a gray and brown earth-tone world, with the occasional whitewash, the last thing you're going to do is paint something in muted tones. You spent money on paint (with expensive imported pigments) you wanted to really see it, like Geo. Washington's eye-popping Prussian blue at Mt. Vernon, the stunning green at Geo. Mason's place and Thomas Jefferson's bright yellow dome room at Monticello. Paint was a status symbol. The tasteful, soft, muted Martha Stewart "colonial" colors we're used to resulted from what Bill says, age, when the original research was done. Pigment analysis is much more sophisticated these days. The color nazis are talking out of their hats when it comes to the issue of "authentic" colors. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 11:14:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mtaout01 (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48FE6l27709 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theunit (pcp729720pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.50.67.169]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with SMTP id <0GVS0083KSZ8OD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 May 2002 11:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:19:06 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Ticket Fight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <005401c1f692$ee37b190$0200a8c0@theunit> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LZrGL7jtowUu4Q4xcDTONw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_LZrGL7jtowUu4Q4xcDTONw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of = the discourse on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but = given the impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General = District Court (traffic) tomorrow. I can't afford pride. Basically I ran = into a speed trap setup at the end of a tight S curve was going 25-30MPH = and got waved over. I was next to another car going the same direction = and several in the opposite direction. He asked how fast I thought I was = going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. I got you on Laser. I said I = really don't think I was anywhere near 44MPH, he says, "when you entered = the turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed (SP) it because = when I let off the trigger it read 44MPH." From what I have found using = Laser in a corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given that he = would have had to hold the beam on me through the whole turn I can't = believe he wrote a ticket. He did have a big grin the whole time he was = writing the ticket from his Harley so some Anti-Sportbike bias may have = been at play too. Anyway, I have no speeding tickets on my record but = one fender bender in my cage in 2000 plus the move here to Arlington has = already pushed my insurance up to levels beyond sanity. If I get = convicted of this ticket I may very well have to sell the bike. I have = heard Alexandria District Court is guilty until proven innocent and when = I called to inquire how discovery requests were handled I got a chuckle = followed by "you just show up and the Judge tells you whether you are = guilty or not and how much you have to pay". If anyone can give me some = advice or a name of someone I could talk too. Unfortunately I'm strapped = financially so I thought I would handle it myself but I'm starting to = worry. Thanks Dan --Boundary_(ID_LZrGL7jtowUu4Q4xcDTONw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 all, I=92ve been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of the = discourse=20 on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but given the = impending=20 railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General District Court = (traffic)=20 tomorrow. I can=92t afford pride. Basically I ran into a speed trap = setup at=20 the end of a tight S curve was going 25-30MPH and got waved over. I was = next to=20 another car going the same direction and several in the opposite = direction. He=20 asked how fast I thought I was going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. = I got=20 you on Laser. I said I really don=92t think I was anywhere near 44MPH, = he says,=20 =93when you entered the turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have = goosed (SP) it=20 because when I let off the trigger it read 44MPH.=94 From what I have = found using=20 Laser in a corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given that he = would have=20 had to hold the beam on me through the whole turn I can=92t believe he = wrote a=20 ticket. He did have a big grin the whole time he was writing the ticket = from his=20 Harley so some Anti-Sportbike bias may have been at play too. Anyway, I = have no=20 speeding tickets on my record but one fender bender in my cage in 2000 = plus the=20 move here to Arlington has already pushed my insurance up to levels = beyond=20 sanity. If I get convicted of this ticket I may very well have to sell = the bike.=20 I have heard Alexandria District Court is guilty until proven innocent = and when=20 I called to inquire how discovery requests were handled I got a chuckle = followed=20 by =93you just show up and the Judge tells you whether you are guilty or = not and=20 how much you have to pay=94. If anyone can give me some advice or a name = of=20 someone I could talk too. Unfortunately I=92m strapped financially so I = thought I=20 would handle it myself but I=92m starting to worry.  Thanks=20 Dan
--Boundary_(ID_LZrGL7jtowUu4Q4xcDTONw)-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 11:29:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48FT9l27979 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g48FT2201145 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:29:03 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508112601.02226a28@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:27:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT: RE: HOAs Moto Parking In-Reply-To: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD01077552@lmimaila.lmi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:20 AM 5/8/2002, ROBERSON, Brian wrote: >Adding some motorcycle content. Our HOA rules boldly state, there will be >no MOTORCYCLE parking anywhere but in a garage. You may not park a cycle >in your driveway, or on the road or sidewalk. I have NEVER seen this >enforced in our HOA. Its simply in the rules. I faced a similar problem in Newgate, Centreville. I had the bylaws changed. They wouldn't allow a moto to share a spot with a cage. I used to park my bike on the white line between my two parking spots. They acknowledged that since it was between my two cars, it was ok. Parking on a sidewalk is never a good idea for access reasons. (think wheelchair!) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 11:35:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48FZKl28122 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:35:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ticket Fight Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:35:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1F6A5.FD37AF2A" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F6A5.FD37AF2A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I might have asked a little while ago. "A Speeders Guide to Avoiding Tickets" is a great book and deals mostly with talking to police and the court room. It's a quick read if you can find a copy. Other wise use common sense, dress nice, be polite, and ask for traffic school or try to work a deal with the judge. Let him know of your ~clean record and insurance issues. It'll let him know you're not going to do it again. If you were in a 25mph zone at 44 you're less than 20 over which the cop could have given you reckless for. If you can talk him down 10mph you're now 9mph over and I think it's less points, don't remember for sure right now. Take a fine over points as it won't affect insurance. Have something to say to the judge, he's not going to lower it if you just stand there and say yes sir. -----Original Message----- From: dan carr [mailto:djcarr1@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:19 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ticket Fight Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of the discourse on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but given the impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General District Court (traffic) tomorrow. I can't afford pride. Basically I ran into a speed trap setup at the end of a tight S curve was going 25-30MPH and got waved over. I was next to another car going the same direction and several in the opposite direction. He asked how fast I thought I was going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. I got you on Laser. I said I really don't think I was anywhere near 44MPH, he says, "when you entered the turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed (SP) it because when I let off the trigger it read 44MPH." From what I have found using Laser in a corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given that he would have had to hold the beam on me through the whole turn I can't believe he wrote a ticket. He did have a big grin the whole time he was writing the ticket from his Harley so some Anti-Sportbike bias may have been at play too. Anyway, I have no speeding tickets on my record but one fender bender in my cage in 2000 plus the move here to Arlington has already pushed my insurance up to levels beyond sanity. If I get convicted of this ticket I may very well have to sell the bike. I have heard Alexandria District Court is guilty until proven innocent and when I called to inquire how discovery requests were handled I got a chuckle followed by "you just show up and the Judge tells you whether you are guilty or not and how much you have to pay". If anyone can give me some advice or a name of someone I could talk too. Unfortunately I'm strapped financially so I thought I would handle it myself but I'm starting to worry. Thanks Dan ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F6A5.FD37AF2A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I= might have asked a little while ago.  = “A Speeders Guide to Avoiding Tickets” is a great book and deals = mostly with talking to police and the court room.  = It’s a quick read if you can find a copy.  Other wise use common sense, dress nice, be polite, and ask for = traffic school or try to work a deal with the judge.  Let him know of your ~clean record and insurance issues.  It’ll let = him know you’re not going to do it again.  = If you were in a 25mph zone at 44 you’re less than 20 over which the cop = could have given you reckless for.  = If you can talk him down 10mph you’re now 9mph over and I think it’s = less points, don’t remember for sure right now.  = Take a fine over points as it won’t affect insurance.  Have something to say to the judge, he’s not = going to lower it if you just stand there and say yes = sir.

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-----Original Message-----
From: dan carr [mailto:djcarr1@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, = 2002 9:19 AM
To: = dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Ticket = Fight

 

Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of the = discourse on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but given the impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General District Court = (traffic) tomorrow. I can't afford pride. Basically I ran into a speed trap = setup at the end of a tight S curve was going 25-30MPH and got waved over. I was = next to another car going the same direction and several in the opposite = direction. He asked how fast I thought I was going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. = I got you on Laser. I said I really don't think I was anywhere near 44MPH, he = says, "when you entered the turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have = goosed (SP) it because when I let off the trigger it read 44MPH." From = what I have found using Laser in a corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and = given that he would have had to hold the beam on me through the whole turn I = can't believe he wrote a ticket. He did have a big grin the whole time he was = writing the ticket from his Harley so some Anti-Sportbike bias may have been at = play too. Anyway, I have no speeding tickets on my record but one fender = bender in my cage in 2000 plus the move here to Arlington has already pushed my = insurance up to levels beyond sanity. If I get convicted of this ticket I may = very well have to sell the bike. I have heard Alexandria District Court is guilty = until proven innocent and when I called to inquire how discovery requests = were handled I got a chuckle followed by "you just show up and the = Judge tells you whether you are guilty or not and how much you have to pay". = If anyone can give me some advice or a name of someone I could talk too. = Unfortunately I'm strapped financially so I thought I would handle it myself but I'm = starting to worry.  Thanks = Dan=

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F6A5.FD37AF2A-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 11:39:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14003.mail.yahoo.com (web14003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g48Fd1l28160 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020508153900.58904.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 08:39:00 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:39:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ticket Fight To: dan carr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005401c1f692$ee37b190$0200a8c0@theunit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll bet the officer doesn't say anything close to what you report. If he says you sped up from 25 to 44 while in a turn, there should be some doubt as to whether he kept the laser on your vehicle. Therefore, he won't say that. Leon - the guy doing 53 in a 65 so I don't get another ticket. --- dan carr wrote: > he says, "when you entered the > turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed > (SP) it because when I let off the trigger it read > 44MPH." From what I have found using Laser in a > corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given > that he would have had to hold the beam on me > through the whole turn I can't believe he wrote a > ticket. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 11:43:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f251.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.129]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48Fhnl28257 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:42:40 -0700 Received: from 63.251.87.214 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 15:42:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: djcarr1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket Fight Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:42:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 15:42:40.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCA0B880:01C1F6A6] Dan, Here are some thoughts (I live in Maryland, so YMMV:) 1) Request a court date; 2) Once you receive your court date, request a continuance; 3) Show up on the date of the continuance dressed in a proper fashion - business casual, at least. Show respect for the court. 4) Hopefully, the cop won't be there on the continued date; 5) If he isn't, plead not guilty - get off; 6) If he is, plead guilty and request a probation before judgement, based on your current record. 7) Accept driving school, if that is offered - as it sometimes is for "first offenders." 8) Be prepared to pay the full fine, including court costs. You really want to avoid the points, for insurance reasons. 9) Remember that you can appeal a conviction, if you plead not guilty. You'll want a lawyer for that, however. Good luck! Perry >From: dan carr >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Ticket Fight >Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:19:06 -0200 > >Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of >the discourse on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but given >the impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General District >Court (traffic) tomorrow. I can't afford pride. Basically I ran into a >speed trap setup at the end of a tight S curve was going 25-30MPH and got >waved over. I was next to another car going the same direction and several >in the opposite direction. He asked how fast I thought I was going and I >said 30 tops and he said 44. I got you on Laser. I said I really don't >think I was anywhere near 44MPH, he says, "when you entered the turn the >Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed (SP) it because when I let off >the trigger it read 44MPH." From what I have found using Laser in a corner >on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given that he would have had to hold >the beam on me through the whole turn I can't believe he wrote a ticket. He >did have a big grin the whole time he was writing the ticket from his >Harley so some Anti-Sportbike bias may have been at play too. Anyway, I >have no speeding tickets on my record but one fender bender in my cage in >2000 plus the move here to Arlington has already pushed my insurance up to >levels beyond sanity. If I get convicted of this ticket I may very well >have to sell the bike. I have heard Alexandria District Court is guilty >until proven innocent and when I called to inquire how discovery requests >were handled I got a chuckle followed by "you just show up and the Judge >tells you whether you are guilty or not and how much you have to pay". If >anyone can give me some advice or a name of someone I could talk too. >Unfortunately I'm strapped financially so I thought I would handle it >myself but I'm starting to worry. Thanks Dan _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 11:56:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g48Full28471 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020508155644.25819.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 08:56:44 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Ticket Fight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005401c1f692$ee37b190$0200a8c0@theunit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had a similar thing happen to me, and I beat the ticket in court. You are allowed to ask the officer questions. When he is on the stand, ask him if it seemed unusual that your speed jumped from 25 to 44 instantly. Use specific words btw, like "instantly." Ask him if it is feasible for a motorcycle, and he knows since he rides one, to accelerate that quickly around a curve without the rear wheel breaking loose or the rider losing control. Then ask him if there is a possibility that the laser could have picked up the speed of the other vehicle at the last second. Get the officers opinions and then tell the judge that what happened is that the laser picked you up at 25 and then the other vehicle at 44. It would be virtually impossible, unless you were a professional roadracer on a racing motorcycle, to accelarate from 25 to 44 in a turn that quickly without crashing. Once you put any doubt into the judges mind then you will more than likely get out of the ticket. I did. Mine was when I was riding with another guy, the cop was going in the opposite direction, he radared me and then the other bike going faster, he said I was going much faster than I was. I think he got the other guy twice, which I pointed out in court, and got out of the ticket. --- dan carr wrote: > Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given > the acerbic nature of the discourse on the list I > feel somewhat insane asking for help but given the > impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria > General District Court (traffic) tomorrow. I can't > afford pride. Basically I ran into a speed trap > setup at the end of a tight S curve was going > 25-30MPH and got waved over. I was next to another > car going the same direction and several in the > opposite direction. He asked how fast I thought I > was going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. I got > you on Laser. I said I really don't think I was > anywhere near 44MPH, he says, "when you entered the > turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed > (SP) it because when I let off the trigger it read > 44MPH." From what I have found using Laser in a > corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given > that he would have had to hold the beam on me > through the whole turn I can't believe he wrote a > ticket. He did have a big grin the whole time he was > writing the ticket from his Harley so some > Anti-Sportbike bias may have been at play too. > Anyway, I have no speeding tickets on my record but > one fender bender in my cage in 2000 plus the move > here to Arlington has already pushed my insurance up > to levels beyond sanity. If I get convicted of this > ticket I may very well have to sell the bike. I have > heard Alexandria District Court is guilty until > proven innocent and when I called to inquire how > discovery requests were handled I got a chuckle > followed by "you just show up and the Judge tells > you whether you are guilty or not and how much you > have to pay". If anyone can give me some advice or a > name of someone I could talk too. Unfortunately I'm > strapped financially so I thought I would handle it > myself but I'm starting to worry. Thanks Dan > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 11:58:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g48Fwol28561 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020508155841.86092.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 08:58:41 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: truck and muscles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020508063228.5216.h005.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Laura, I live in Centreville and have a Dodge Dakota. When do you need help? My wedding is in a month from today (gasp!!) so things are a little hectic, but I'm sure I can squeeze in some time to help. --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > This is definitely off-topic, so please forgive...I > need someone with a truck or large SUV in the > Centreville area to help me move two pieces of > furniture. If anyone is willing and able, I will > repay > the favor!!!!! > > Laura > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 12:08:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48G8bl28808 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g48G8Sr31105; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:08:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:08:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200205081608.g48G8Sr31105@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Ticket Fight Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of = the discourse on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but = given the impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General = District Court (traffic) tomorrow. I can't afford pride. Basically I ran = into a speed trap setup at the end of a tight S curve was going 25- 30MPH = and got waved over. I was next to another car going the same direction = and several in the opposite direction. He asked how fast I thought I was = going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. I got you on Laser. I said I = really don't think I was anywhere near 44MPH, he says, "when you entered = the turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed (SP) it because = when I let off the trigger it read 44MPH." From what I have found using = Laser in a corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given that he = would have had to hold the beam on me through the whole turn I can't = believe he wrote a ticket. [Dave] Too bad your 'coming out' had to be under such circumstances. Basically, on behalf of the list, I'd like to thank you for taking part in the Alexandria Voluntary Road Tax Program for us. It's citizens like you that prevent the rest of us from having to pay :-) Does that Anger you? It should... If it doesn't, read no further. If you're PO'd, or even slightly annoyed (even if it's only at my Mr. Smarty pants tone), read on. Basically, you have 2 immediate 'Hail Mary' possibilities 1: Verify officer that wrote the ticket is not present in court, plead innocent, move that the case be dismissed. 2: IF officer is present, request a continuance (insufficient chance to obtain legal counsel usually works). If you proceed with the 'look professional, plead guilty etc...' plan, bring some KY jelly with you, you'll need it. There's a *remote* possibility you could plead it down (with ONLY the prosecutor) to a non moving violation by offering to pay double the fine. I've used this before, but not in Alexandria... I wouldn't try it if I were you, you're staring at 19 over, unlikely they'll deal with YOU (a lawyer is another matter). I'd suggest you get a continuance at court. There's a chance a conflict will arise preventing the officer from attending your trial subsequently. It's HIGHLY unlikely that an uncontinued court case in VA does not have the officer present, since you get the court date up front. You need a lawyer, clean record or not. If you're convicted, even of 9 mph over the limit reduced charge, you can expect higher insurance rates for 3-5 years. You can request a lawyer handle the case as they see fit, but basically, you should NOT accept a plea to a MOVING VIOLATION. THAT is the operative phrase. Moving violations incur insurance penalties, non moving violations do not. An inspection violation is a non moving violation (generally). They only want your money, if they're offered, say, $250 fine, for an inspection ticket conviction, the city wins all around & you incur less expense than a moving violation conviction. PLUS, you can say you have a clean record except for that inspection ticket the next time you're pulled over... EVERY cop always said to me 'that's not an issue, you're a clean driver'... >From what you explained, the officer was pointing a laser gun at you at a serious angle, which should render the evidence inadmissible, because of the way laser ranges you. Again, a lawyer versed in traffic law IN VIRGINIA is your best bet. Ditto discovery requests. You're unprepared, and your chances of winning in this condition are NONE. If you get a continuance, and a lawyer, your chances are pretty good of avoiding a moving violation. Please, do NOT go before the judge & plead guilty, or attempt to fight unprepared. If you're not already a member, go to www.motorists.org & join the National Motorists Association. They have outstanding resources for ticket fighting and a great traffic lawyer referral program. Good luck. Let us know the outcome. Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 12:23:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48GNQl29112 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175UDi-0001ir-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 09:23:14 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020508121054.00c0bbf0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:24:55 -0400 To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. In-Reply-To: <02050808532402.17037@firewall.dcc-racing.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:53 AM 5/8/2002, Brian Roach wrote: >The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just >Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't >have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where >someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front door. There are, but not many. As to the "snotty", grow up and think, Roach. Most of these neighborhoods (which are mostly townhouse developments) have commonly-owned property -- roadways, parking area, walkways, walls, fences, lighting -- which someone has to administer and maintain. Most have county or city mandated functions, like snow removal and trash pickup, which have to be provided. Who's going to do that if not a HOA? >The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board >of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should >really seek professional help. Juvenile bullshit. Most communities, like the 42-unit townhouse development we live in, have a very hard time even filling the BOD positions, let alone getting significant owner participation. Most people are too damn lazy to care, even when they're got a multi-hundred thousand dollar property at risk. Nobody wants to do the work, whether it's the month-to-month admin, or the thankless job of writing those reasonable or unreasonable architectural review policies. It's a lot like our pseudo-democratic government: everyone wants the benefits, but no one wants to pay for them or do the work involved. I take this a bit personally, because my SO is our HOA president this year, and I've just completed six years on the board myself. It is not fun, it takes a lot of time, but someone's got to do it. >The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them >when they threaten to do something illegal :) That is true. Also Federal, like the FCC regulation which prevents HOA from restricting satellite dishes under three feet diameter except for safety reasons. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 12:54:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mtaout06 (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48Gshl29578 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theunit (pcp729720pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.50.67.169]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with SMTP id <0GVS009KOXMZTB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 May 2002 12:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:59:43 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Re: Ticket Fight To: DC-Cycles , sdave@XXXXXX Message-id: <003a01c1f6a0$fe10f910$0200a8c0@theunit> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200205081608.g48G8Sr31105@atlanta.pop3now.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Ticket Fight [RichH] >I might have asked a little while ago. [Dan] Your right. My only experience in court is mainly from the seven years I lived in Boston where most of Judges go out of their way to make sure you don't get screwed. You know, the fair and impartial thing. Its only as I realized after talking to people in last few days and a Newsgroup search this morning that this particular court and more specifically the Judges there have a reputation for not being impartial or fair and showing up expecting to have the case decided on it's merits is, in this area, foolish. As for talking him down, as I understand it, insurance companies don't care how fast or even how much $ in claims, it's done by # of tickets and # of claims, so any moving violation conviction is going to spike my rates. Thanks for the advice though > Too bad your 'coming out' had to be under such > circumstances. Basically, on behalf of the list, I'd like to thank > you for taking part in the Alexandria Voluntary Road Tax Program for > us. It's citizens like you that prevent the rest of us from having > to pay :-) [Dan] That's funny :-)...... wait no it's not.... > Does that Anger you? It should... If it doesn't, read > no further. > If you're PO'd, or even slightly annoyed (even if it's only at my Mr. > Smarty pants tone), read on. > > Basically, you have 2 immediate 'Hail Mary' possibilities > 1: Verify officer that wrote the ticket is not present in court, > plead innocent, move that the case be dismissed. > 2: IF officer is present, request a continuance (insufficient chance > to obtain legal counsel usually works). > > If you proceed with the 'look professional, plead guilty etc...' > plan, bring some KY jelly with you, you'll need it. > > There's a *remote* possibility you could plead it down (with ONLY the > prosecutor) to a non moving violation by offering to pay double the > fine. I've used this before, but not in Alexandria... I wouldn't > try it if I were you, you're staring at 19 over, unlikely they'll > deal with YOU (a lawyer is another matter). > > I'd suggest you get a continuance at court. There's a chance a > conflict will arise preventing the officer from attending your trial > subsequently. It's HIGHLY unlikely that an uncontinued court case in > VA does not have the officer present, since you get the court date up > front. > > You need a lawyer, clean record or not. If you're convicted, even of > 9 mph over the limit reduced charge, you can expect higher insurance > rates for 3-5 years. You can request a lawyer handle the case as > they see fit, but basically, you should NOT accept a plea to a MOVING > VIOLATION. THAT is the operative phrase. Moving violations incur > insurance penalties, non moving violations do not. An inspection > violation is a non moving violation (generally). They only want your > money, if they're offered, say, $250 fine, for an inspection ticket > conviction, the city wins all around & you incur less expense than a > moving violation conviction. PLUS, you can say you have a clean > record except for that inspection ticket the next time you're pulled > over... EVERY cop always said to me 'that's not an issue, you're a > clean driver'... > > From what you explained, the officer was pointing a laser gun at you > at a serious angle, which should render the evidence inadmissible, > because of the way laser ranges you. Again, a lawyer versed in > traffic law IN VIRGINIA is your best bet. Ditto discovery requests. > > You're unprepared, and your chances of winning in this condition are > NONE. If you get a continuance, and a lawyer, your chances are > pretty good of avoiding a moving violation. > > Please, do NOT go before the judge & plead guilty, or attempt to > fight unprepared. > If you're not already a member, go to www.motorists.org & join the > National Motorists Association. They have outstanding resources for > ticket fighting and a great traffic lawyer referral program. > > Good luck. Let us know the outcome. > > Dave > > > > -- > Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! > Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal Thanks Dave and all the others who took the time to reply. Hopefully with some preparation and a little luck, I'll make out o.k. Dan From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 13:08:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48H88l29850 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w098.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.98]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 8 May 2002 13:08:07 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Ticket Fight Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:08:07 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 17:08:07.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC884650:01C1F6B2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g48H8Fl29851 > If you proceed with the 'look professional, plead guilty etc...' > plan, bring some KY jelly with you, you'll need it. First Gerald and now Dave. Please, this is a family list. I respectfully and politely request that all this peverse sex talk be done in private. That goes for you too, Huson. "Goat dicks" is not an appropriate topic in this forum. I am apalled. You have no couth or sense of decorum. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 13:09:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48H95l29870 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-4.s1020.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.4] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175Uw3-0004wg-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 13:09:03 -0400 Message-ID: <013301c1f6b3$4bff83a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Larry Larson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com><000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@nih.gov><4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508121054.00c0bbf0@mail.9netave.com> Subject: OT: HOA governance, was Re: Maryland sucks. Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:10:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Larson" > At 08:53 AM 5/8/2002, Brian Roach wrote: > >The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just > >Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't > >have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where > >someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front door. > > There are, but not many. As to the "snotty", grow up and think, Roach. Most > of these neighborhoods (which are mostly townhouse developments) have > commonly-owned property -- roadways, parking area, walkways, walls, fences, > lighting -- which someone has to administer and maintain. Most have county > or city mandated functions, like snow removal and trash pickup, which have > to be provided. Who's going to do that if not a HOA? > > >The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board > >of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should > >really seek professional help. > > Juvenile bullshit. ... This is my last post on the subject. All that stuff is what a properly constituted and efficient city government should do, it seems to me, and property owners should maintain things like fences on their property. Governments generally provide basic services and butt out of those pressing issues like finishes on light fixtures, paint colors and what kinds of vehicles I can park. I live in an 1870s "townhouse development." All are "common areas" are public streets and parks maintained by taxes. I can shovel the snow and rake leaves in front of my own house. Seems to work pretty well, as it has for decades. The iron fence along the sidewalk is mine to maintain, even though it's technically on the public right of way. The houses are similar, grouped in three or four types, but the individual houses are by no means the same. All the little things done by owners over the decades make them distinctive. In fact the variety is a selling point to those who prefer not to live in an environment of suburban blandness which so many HOA regs seem hell-bent on enforcing. Take a look at the average home price in my neighborhood if you think all that individual expression (read Victorian charm) has hurt property values. Hint: you'll be hard pressed to find anything for less than $600K unless it's a real fixer upper. The latter is what we bought, otherwise we'd be priced out of the market. We have no HOA fees to pay either, just property tax (relatively low for this area, BTW) and we have to expend a little effort in self-policing from time to time. The HOA phenomenon (esp. with respect to attached dwellings) is part of an increasingly shrinking public realm and decline in our civic life it seems to me. Those of us who value sound urbanism and robust cities find the trend a little disturbing, to say the least. Not intended as a flame, just a different perspective, but I guess I have passionate views on the subject. :-) Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 13:56:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48Huhl00823 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:56:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For Sale section on the webpage Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:56:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Would it be possible to have a "for sale" section on the webpage? From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 13:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48HuOl00820 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g48HuFc14518; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:56:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:56:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200205081756.g48HuFc14518@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. At 08:53 AM 5/8/2002, Brian Roach wrote: >The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just >Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't >have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where >someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front door. There are, but not many. As to the "snotty", grow up and think, Roach. Most of these neighborhoods (which are mostly townhouse developments) have commonly-owned property -- roadways, parking area, walkways, walls, fences, lighting -- which someone has to administer and maintain. Most have county or city mandated functions, like snow removal and trash pickup, which have to be provided. Who's going to do that if not a HOA? [Dave] I think Roach's point above was that they're proliferating like weeds, and essentially HOA-ing those of us that just want to be left alone and not have to pay for the privilege of living in the house we've already paid for... Some of the common HOA rules are 'quality of life' issues, and they can easily perpetuate... It's amazing how much less tolerant a neighbor is when they're a scant 10 feet away from you instead of, say 40 feet away... >The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board >of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should >really seek professional help. Juvenile bullshit. Most communities, like the 42-unit townhouse development we live in, have a very hard time even filling the BOD positions, let alone getting significant owner participation. [Dave] Your assertion is a certainly valid discussion point, but for the reference to the steaming pile of boving fecal matter deposited by a young male bovine. Quite a few HOA's won't let you serve until you've lived there a certain amount of time, some have 'waiting lists' and the like. My experience was similar to yours, Larry. In fact, my former HOA went inactive - no elected members and thus nobody to control the money... I had an interesting discussion with the guy that bought my old place about it. It basically came down to My old HOA needed about $3000 / year to meet it's bills, equating to about $35.00 year per townhouse. The dues were $150 / year. Not a lot by any stretch, but nobody was able to assert with any financial backing the need to charge more than $40 or $45 / year... I know of people that paid that much per month ! ... It's a lot like our pseudo-democratic government: everyone wants the benefits, but no one wants to pay for them or do the work involved. I take this a bit personally, because my SO is our HOA president this year, and I've just completed six years on the board myself. It is not fun, it takes a lot of time, but someone's got to do it. [Dave] My old TH bylaws, amendments & covenants was about 70 pages. about 25% of them were inexplicable. some, were obtuse. Eventually, I raised the question 'why not rewrite these out of the bylaws, there's no valid reason to keep them?' Howls of 'we can't do that!' Eventually, we got some new blood, I raised the same question, and they finally got rid of them ! There's no reason to keep and enforce the bylaws for the sake of enforcing them, if they're no longer useful or applicable. But, that's typically what happens... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 14:04:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11105.mail.yahoo.com (web11105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g48I4nl01014 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020508180448.71783.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 11:04:48 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: For Sale section on the webpage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes and no. Yes, it's possible, but I ain't gonna do it. It would take too much maintenance time (any is too much) if it was static info, too much development time (any is too much) if it's dynamic. If someone else wants to write the code, more power to 'em, but I think it's more useful to just post "for sale" items here on the list anyway. That's one of the things it's for. (Not that anyone actually uses the list for what it's meant for, however) Chris Weaver --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > Would it be possible to have a "for sale" section on > the webpage? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 14:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11004.mail.yahoo.com (web11004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g48ID4l01212 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020508181300.30862.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.44.66.191] by web11004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 11:13:00 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:13:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: For Sale section on the webpage/HOA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020508180448.71783.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: >(Not that anyone actually uses the > list for what it's meant for, however) And exactly what color is your house. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 14:25:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48IPnl01379 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadscomputer.att.net ([12.91.121.14]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020508182534.FDL2855.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:25:34 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508142415.02361450@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:25:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: FS: 2001 Stock Dyna Wide Glide Seat In-Reply-To: <20020508180448.71783.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed fyi.. FS: Stock 2001 FXDWG (Dyna Wide Glide) seat. Excellent condition. I bought a Corbin so I don't use it. Make an offer. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 14:29:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A09D.pix.aol.com [152.163.160.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48ITdl01485 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.0.31.252]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06618 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g48ITXq25072 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:29:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: '98 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Posting for a friend who was lucky enough to pick up a new 2001 Vulcan 1500 classic (he no longer envies mine :-) -- 1998 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 A 1500 CC, 8200 Miles, Black with Red trim. Aftermarket Cobra pipes, windshield, lightbar, crashbar, cruising pegs. New tires put on last fall, in excellent condition, asking $5000, neg. Please send email to firebird@XXXXXX -- I've ridden this bike and can vouch for its condition. Thanks, -dave From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 14:30:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48IUXl01553 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g48IUR328954; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:30:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:30:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200205081830.g48IUR328954@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: Re: Ticket Fight Chuck 'Mind in the gutter' Pena puritanically put forth - > If you proceed with the 'look professional, plead guilty etc...' > plan, bring some KY jelly with you, you'll need it. First Gerald and now Dave. Please, this is a family list. I respectfully and politely request that all this peverse sex talk be done in private. [Dave] WTF??? are you spewing ? perverse sex talk? What? he'll need the KY to grease the wheels of gubmint, Chuck ! Whaddayamean.... EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW !!!!!!!!! That goes for you too, Huson. "Goat dicks" is not an appropriate topic in this forum. I am apalled. You have no couth or sense of decorum. [Dave] Ok. Let me get this straight Chuck actually said in a public email "You have no couth or sense of decorum." .... I haven't laughed so much since the 1st time I saw Sam Kinison ! You missed your True Calling Chuck ! Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 14:34:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48IY4l01570 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-12.s1028.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.12] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175WGJ-00062g-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:34:03 -0400 From: motorcycle@XXXXXX To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: For Sale section on the webpage Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:40:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020508180448.71783.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020508180448.71783.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g48IY5l01571 A guest book type of feature will work. simply fill in the blank and the page is updated. no maintence required. instead of callig it a guest book. call it a classifieds page. i've seen a couple of them. Danny On Wed, 8 May 2002 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>Yes and no. Yes, it's possible, but I ain't gonna do |>it. It would take too much maintenance time (any is |>too much) if it was static info, too much development |>time (any is too much) if it's dynamic. |> |>If someone else wants to write the code, more power to |>'em, but I think it's more useful to just post "for |>sale" items here on the list anyway. That's one of the |>things it's for. (Not that anyone actually uses the |>list for what it's meant for, however) |> |>Chris Weaver |> |> |>--- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: |>> |>> Would it be possible to have a "for sale" section on |>> the webpage? |> |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness |>http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 14:39:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48Id5l01679 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-12.s1028.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.12] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175WL9-00072g-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:39:04 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Fitzpatrick Cc: ricardo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BB Leathers, Back Protectors and Knee Pucks Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:45:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3esiduo903jjoc5dckuov6c00j2nugbipv@4ax.com> References: <20020507.205257.-89602117.10.CelticRacing@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20020507.205257.-89602117.10.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g48Id6l01680 and let's not forget.. most of the time, if you have an incident in which you need them, the insurance company will pay you for your riding gear. Just be sure to keep your receipts... so basicly, it's only expensive if you don't ever fall off the bike.. If you do fall off the bike, you get reimbursed for your gear. Spend money, wear leathers.. or don't wear leathers, get skinned up, feel tons of pain, and face tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills. Your choice, have fun! I'm wearing gear. Danny On Tue, 7 May 2002 20:39:43 -0400, you wrote: |>A well crafted, properly fitting set of leathers can make all the |>difference in losing battles with gravity and friction. This is not like |>the Busa or GSXR1000 as starter bike thread. In protective equipment, |>you should start out with the best you can get. In my experience, |>Barnacle Bill makes the best buy in new, custom fit, high end quality, |>mid-range priced leathers. Each suit is made to your specifications. |>And although you won't get a suit like this for $500, you will get a |>great value, and it will cost hundreds less than comparable suits |>elsewhere. |> |>I highly recommend that you contact Bill and run your requirements by |>him. He can be reached by email at barnacle@XXXXXX , or through his |>web site at www.racingleather.com |> |>Responding to demand, Bill just added his own BB back protectors and knee |>puck sliders to his line. He also does repairs, tailoring (taking in, |>letting out), cleaning, lettering and installing aero humps on existing |>suits, regardless of brand. |> |>Bill is a great guy, and if you talk to him about your needs, you will |>have made a great friend, whether you buy a suit from him or not. |> |>Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: |>*Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 |>(www.fastlanecycles.com) |>*Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX |>(www.racingleather.com) |>*N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX |>(www.nbracesites.com) |>*Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 |>mike.watt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 14:43:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48IhJl01786 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-43-145.s907.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.145] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175WPF-0006cq-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:43:18 -0400 Message-ID: <007d01c1f6c0$61aa77c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <200205081608.g48G8Sr31105@atlanta.pop3now.com> <003a01c1f6a0$fe10f910$0200a8c0@theunit> Subject: Re: Ticket Fight Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:44:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 So, the Alex. PD moto squad is out doing revenue enhancement again, eh? I see them a lot in Del Ray and on the residential streets in the wedge between King St. and Duke St. The 25 mph "S" curves on Janney's Lane seem to be a favorite hunting ground. I'm usually vigilant in the that area and when I spot them I give 'em the grin and the "better luck next time" wave. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 15:00:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48J0Rl02226 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from C4ZJ911 ([63.220.27.131]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay6 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GVT3GC00.MXV for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:00:12 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c1f6c2$62122850$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: FYI: Bike lift on sale at Sears Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:58:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1F6A0.D720B610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1F6A0.D720B610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Item# 50190 in a catalog I just got. Regular $119 on sale for $89. http://www.sears.com/data/product_images/tools/large/00950190000-dlv.jpg Gary Foreman ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1F6A0.D720B610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Item# 50190 in a catalog I just = got.  Regular=20 $119 on sale for $89.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1F6A0.D720B610-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 15:31:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48JVBl02733 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-28.patriot.net [209.249.180.28]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48JV8W23452; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:31:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD97E5E.BA8085F4@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:37:02 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Ticket Fight References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > That goes for you too, Huson. "Goat dicks" is not an appropriate topic in this forum. I am apalled. You have no couth or sense of decorum. > Thanks, Chuck! I'm happy to see that my true potential for diving into the slimy gutter of rancid sex-talk etc etc has finally been recognized. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 15:33:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48JX3l02753 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g48JWv201382 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:32:57 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508152854.023b4220@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:32:08 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: FYI: Bike lift on sale at Sears In-Reply-To: <003801c1f6c2$62122850$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:58 PM 5/8/2002, Gary Foreman wrote: >Item# 50190 in a catalog I just got. Regular $119 on sale for $89. > >http://www.sears.com/data/product_images/tools/large/00950190000-dlv.jpg I have a regular 6k lb car lift. Any reason it wouldn't work on a bike, or has anyone tried? Seems like it would be easy to make a modification to the lifting assembly. I haven't really needed mine for lifting the bike yet, with the center stand in place. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 16:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48KZml03870 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g48KZg201428 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:35:43 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508163059.023ac808@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:35:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Cap Heights Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There was a tiny blurb in the Metro section today about 2 people shot and killed by a motorcyclist in Capital Heights. Didn't say if it was this week or earlier. Any info? Angry lister? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49879-2002May7.html and while searching, I found this Dr.G article from 5-5. Hehe. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33373-2002May4.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 16:56:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48KuTl04163 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-102-138.s138.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.102.138] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175YU7-0000Xj-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 16:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: <01ab01c1f6d2$e1569f00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Troutman" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508163059.023ac808@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Cap Heights Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:56:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" > There was a tiny blurb in the Metro section today about 2 people shot and > killed by a motorcyclist in Capital Heights. Didn't say if it was this week > or earlier. Any info? Angry lister? > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49879-2002May7.html > > and while searching, I found this Dr.G article from 5-5. Hehe. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33373-2002May4.html > Item 1: No, it wasn't me, and make that Columbia Heights, Warder St. NW, as in DC, not Capitol Heights, Md. Item 2: The mommy van rant is a good one, no? Anyone who calls Dr. G a "nut" gets a gold star next to his/her name in my book. ;-) If you can him a whiny nut who writes an insipid, artless, boring column, even better. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 17:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48L0Gl04300 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g48L0B201460 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:00:11 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508165928.022539d8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:00:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Cap Heights (Md. Sucks) In-Reply-To: <01ab01c1f6d2$e1569f00$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508163059.023ac808@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Damn, guess that was my subliminal addition to the Maryland Sucks thread ;-) At 04:56 PM 5/8/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >Item 1: No, it wasn't me, and make that Columbia Heights, Warder St. NW, as >in DC, not Capitol Heights, Md. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 17:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48Lnal05106 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-64.157.50.217.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.50.217] helo=michael) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175ZJP-0004Hl-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:49:27 -0700 Message-ID: <00ce01c1f6da$39365510$d9329d40@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <200205071700.g47H0u801756@atlanta.pop3now.com> Subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:49:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > At least they're not advocating synthetic oil or the superiority of > the Glock 9mm. ... Oddly enough, using synthetic oil in your Glock... Michael J. ;-) From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 18:03:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g48M3Gl05347 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g48M46U28342 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:04:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children In-Reply-To: <00ce01c1f6da$39365510$d9329d40@michael> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 May 2002, Michael Jordan wrote: > > > At least they're not advocating synthetic oil or the superiority of > > the Glock 9mm. ... > > Oddly enough, using synthetic oil in your Glock... > what about using your glock in synthetic oil? Is that allowed in MD? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 20:17:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [66.160.20.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g490HIl07570 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:17:16 -0400 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E735@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:17:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check with your Home Owners Association :) Cedric -- what about using your glock in synthetic oil? Is that allowed in MD? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 20:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g490Qkl07672 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-64.157.48.86.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.48.86] helo=s0023675517) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175blY-00087G-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 May 2002 20:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: <007a01c1f6f0$4feb7720$56309d40@s0023675517> From: "Gavin Ruddy" To: References: <200205082300.g48N05q06248@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: RE: Ticket Fight Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:27:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Another thing to consider is how wide the beam is on the laser. I used to use the LTI 20-20, I don't think Fairfax uses them, but I used some of the very first models. The beam was over 3 feet wide at 1000 feet. If he hit you head on it's very hard to get a good reading on a motorcycle because the beam has to bounce off the front and be sent back to the unit. It's possible the majority of the beam missed the motorcycle and hit another car. Some of the units now can tell if the beam is hitting a car coming towards the unit or away from it though. It's probably easiest although expensive to pay some lawyer to handle it. Gavin Ruddy 2002 BMW K1200RS From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 20:45:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (relay01.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g490jgl08011 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25822 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 00:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.200.4?) ([170.215.129.20]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 May 2002 00:45:29 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:44:52 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/08/02 From: Bob McKeithen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200205082300.g48N05q06248@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g490jkl08012 on 5/8/02 7:00 PM, The dc-cycles list administrator at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: "Dave Yates" > To: "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: RE: Maryland sucks. > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:39:03 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 > > There is an interesting parallel between this case and the good ol' loud > pipes debate -- In this case apparently Travis' actions were causing > damage to the neighboring environment. Silt can certainly be quite > destructive to streams. It's damage can be long lasting, or even > permanent in some cases. > ... > > It's also worth noting that silt laden runoff is easily detected and > traced to it's source from the air; no warrant necessary. Satellite > imagery similarly documents land modification over time. > > [Dave] Without addressing the overflight issue, my point was to NEVER > allow a government official on to your property without a court order or > warrant, period. Ever. Overflight pictures or not, somebody still has > to verify the conditions, typically, a department of.... whatever > official. It's yours, you paid for it, the government has zero business > there unless / until you cause harm to someone else. > > For reference, remember Fairfax County's 'Shrub man' ? the Golf course > guy that spent time in jail because of a zoning violation last year ? > If the department of impure thoughts comes knocking at your door, > they've been sent there, and anything you say will be noted somewhere, > so send them away in search of a court order before they find something > to screw with you about... > > it's none of their business. > > > Dave Yates > '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' > LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:10:50 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Dave Yates > CC: "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > > > > Dave Yates wrote: > >> There is an interesting parallel between this case and the good ol' loud >> pipes debate -- In this case apparently Travis' actions were causing >> damage to the neighboring environment. Silt can certainly be quite >> destructive to streams. It's damage can be long lasting, or even >> permanent in some cases. >> ... >> >> It's also worth noting that silt laden runoff is easily detected and >> traced to it's source from the air; no warrant necessary. Satellite >> imagery similarly documents land modification over time. >> >> [Dave] Without addressing the overflight issue, my point was to NEVER >> allow a government official on to your property without a court order or >> warrant, period. Ever. Overflight pictures or not, somebody still has >> to verify the conditions, typically, a department of.... whatever >> official. It's yours, you paid for it, the government has zero business >> there unless / until you cause harm to someone else. >> >> For reference, remember Fairfax County's 'Shrub man' ? the Golf course >> guy that spent time in jail because of a zoning violation last year ? >> If the department of impure thoughts comes knocking at your door, >> they've been sent there, and anything you say will be noted somewhere, >> so send them away in search of a court order before they find something >> to screw with you about... > > Yep, I remember the golf range case. The guy had a plan approved by zoning, > he ignored said plan, was served with proper papers and proceeded to cop a > HUGE attitude with the judge. He was an a**hole looking for a place to > fart. > > Zoning/land use violations *are* the county's business. But local covenants > of the snotty subdivision kind should be banned forever. The county is > welcome to survey my digs, but the "Prissy Hollow Architectural Committee > may sit a large splintery fence post and rotate... > > Bill > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Dave Yates" > Cc: "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: RE: Maryland sucks. > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:25:36 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 > > Bill reminisced - > > Yep, I remember the golf range case. The guy had a plan approved by > zoning, > he ignored said plan, was served with proper papers and proceeded to cop > a > HUGE attitude with the judge. He was an a**hole looking for a place to > fart. > > [Dave] I was under the impression that he had complied with the > county's request (plan), but then, FFX changed it and required him to > make several hundred thousand dollars more of modifications, and he > refused. No innocent party here, but the only competing golf ranges > were - surprise - county owned ! > > > Zoning/land use violations *are* the county's business. > > [Dave] to an extent, but Shrub man's case was a perfect case of why ass > holes should never be employed in government service... > > But local covenants > of the snotty subdivision kind should be banned forever. The county is > welcome to survey my digs, but the "Prissy Hollow Architectural > Committee > may sit a large splintery fence post and rotate... > > [Dave] That's why I moved somewhere with NO hoa. Eons ago, I served on > a covenants board. They were insisting that I and another motorcyclist > park per the rules - 1 vehicle per space, including my bike. I > presented the board with a plan to park the bike & my car in one space. > Common sense was not permitted to prevail. So, the other biker & I and > several others on my street joined the covenants committee. We changed > the parking rules wholesale. The board was unable to mount a reasonable > objection, our rules were then submitted to the court & the bylaws > changed. Problem solved. WAY too much work so I could simply park MY > bike in front of MY car in MY assigned space... FTS. Never again. > > $hit. Now I need another beer. I'm shivering just *thinking* about > HOA's... > > > > Dave Yates > '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' > LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "DC-CYCLES" > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:37:27 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > Well, speaking as a design and construction professional, if you approach > the whole approvals and inspection process with an adversarial attitude, you > reap what you sow. Even my dealings with District code officials > have been perfectly amicable. When you approach them with a professional > attitude, treat them not as the "enemy" but as a person with a job to do, > most (and I emphasize most, there are a-holes out there) are willing to work > with you. Every code has nuances that must be interpreted. As they say, > "we can either do this the hard way or the easy way." > > Seems like the Maryland folks cited in the story were asking for trouble if > they *invited* inspectors onto their property when non-permitted work was > going on. Not too bright in my opinion. > > Paul in DC < > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Yates" > Cc: "'DC Cycles'" > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:25 PM > Subject: RE: Maryland sucks. > > >> Bill reminisced - >> >> Yep, I remember the golf range case. The guy had a plan approved by >> zoning, >> he ignored said plan, was served with proper papers and proceeded to cop >> a >> HUGE attitude with the judge. He was an a**hole looking for a place to >> fart. >> >> [Dave] I was under the impression that he had complied with the >> county's request (plan), but then, FFX changed it and required him to >> make several hundred thousand dollars more of modifications, and he >> refused. No innocent party here, but the only competing golf ranges >> were - surprise - county owned ! >> >> >> Zoning/land use violations *are* the county's business. >> >> [Dave] to an extent, but Shrub man's case was a perfect case of why ass >> holes should never be employed in government service... >> >> But local covenants >> of the snotty subdivision kind should be banned forever. The county is >> welcome to survey my digs, but the "Prissy Hollow Architectural >> Committee >> may sit a large splintery fence post and rotate... > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > To: ricardo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:39:43 -0400 > Subject: BB Leathers, Back Protectors and Knee Pucks > X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-9,12-13,17-18,20-22,24,26,28 > From: Tom Fitzpatrick > > A well crafted, properly fitting set of leathers can make all the > difference in losing battles with gravity and friction. This is not like > the Busa or GSXR1000 as starter bike thread. In protective equipment, > you should start out with the best you can get. In my experience, > Barnacle Bill makes the best buy in new, custom fit, high end quality, > mid-range priced leathers. Each suit is made to your specifications. > And although you won't get a suit like this for $500, you will get a > great value, and it will cost hundreds less than comparable suits > elsewhere. > > I highly recommend that you contact Bill and run your requirements by > him. He can be reached by email at barnacle@XXXXXX , or through his > web site at www.racingleather.com > > Responding to demand, Bill just added his own BB back protectors and knee > puck sliders to his line. He also does repairs, tailoring (taking in, > letting out), cleaning, lettering and installing aero humps on existing > suits, regardless of brand. > > Bill is a great guy, and if you talk to him about your needs, you will > have made a great friend, whether you buy a suit from him or not. > > Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: > *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 > (www.fastlanecycles.com) > *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX > (www.racingleather.com) > *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX > (www.nbracesites.com) > *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 > mike.watt@XXXXXX > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:49:05 -0400 > Subject: CCS at Summit Point on May 11-12 > X-Juno-Line-Breaks: > 0,3-4,16-17,19-27,29-32,34,36-37,39,41,43-46,48,50,52,54,56-58,60,62,64,66,68, > 70-72,74 > From: Tom Fitzpatrick > > > MARRC Secretary Randy Dalmas shares with us the following announcement > about this weekend's competition at Summit Point. More information can > be obtained from http://www.marrc.org and http://www.ccsracing.com > > The big news, of course, is that the announcer (me) will once again be > donning his leathers (o.k., squeezing into them) to try to pick up a > trophy or two in the SuperSingles and LW Sportsman classes. I rode the > GB600RR (rolling roadblock) on the track for the first time in three > years at Monday's Team ProMotion event. I have to admit, I was so slow, > even *I* was embarrassed. But I hung in there. I wore my street > leathers Monday, but will need to wear my racing leathers for CCS. To do > that, I put them on today, and got into the shower. Soaking wet, I went > to the garage and got on the bike to start stretching a suit designed 20 > pounds ago to allow me to crouch down on the tank. Seems to have worked. > After this event, if I continue racing, I will be getting a new Barnacle > Bill suit, resigning myself to my constant companion - obesity. > > So come on out and cheer for the fattest, slowest guy on the track, and > maybe I'll announce your name! > > Tom #806 > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Randy Dalmas > To: MARRC Announce > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:02:28 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [MARRC-announce] CCS at Summit Point on May 11-12 > > Join MARRC and CCS for regional sprint racing on May 11 and 12. A whole > host > of racing activities will be taking place, including the MARRC Roadracing > School (RRS) on May 10 on the Jefferson Circuit. > > The RRS will be hosting its first Friday school on May 10 in conjuction > with > CCS's Sport Rider Days. While street riders try their hand at > performance > riding on a track, the MARRC RRS will be preparing the next generation of > motorcycle roadracers. As with all MARRC activities, the RRS instructors > are > volunteers, and will passing on their experience to new racers. Anyone > who > would like to participate or lend a hand should contact RRS Director > Brian > Summers at racerbri@XXXXXX, or Rick Beggs at rickbeggs@XXXXXX. > > MARRC welcomes anyone who would like to volunteer with the renowned MARRC > Safety Crew on May 11 and 12. If you are planning to work with the safety > crew, > you may contact our membership secretary at signup@XXXXXX. Don't > forget > that all MARRC volunteers earn a complimentary admission to the track, > and > meals all throughout the weekend. And remember that MARRC need > volunteers not > only as cornerworkers, but as cooks, writers, and drivers to help the > weekend > run smoothly. > > If you have never cornerworked before, MARRC offers an outstanding > training and > orientation class on Saturday, May 11, for all newcomers. Not only are > you > introduced to the procedures for operating a safe race, but you will see > all > the aspects of a race weekend including each corner on the track, > scoring, > control, and starting procedures. This training is so good that the AMA > and > Formula USA adopted the program for their own cornerworkers. Contact > Roger > Bacon at training@XXXXXX for details. > > For more information, see the MARRC website at www.marrc.org. CCS?s > website is > at www.ccsracing.com. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Content-Disposition: inline > X-Note: Latest version at http://EmuMail.com > X-Originating-Ip: 151.201.149.30 > X-Webmail-User: roach@XXXXXX > To: ricardo@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-Http_host: speedwerks.dcc-racing.org > From: roach@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: pirelli supercorsa tires > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 1:16:38 GMT > Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX > > > Tech inspection won't have a prob... but running diff brand tires > front/rear can cause the bike to handle a bit odd (profile differences). > > What kind of bike / what size do you need? Are you doing the NESBA summit > event? If they're bringing a tire changer, I can bring you a tire and > throw it on (we have a good relationship with NESBA), not a prob. > > - Roach > > > On Tue, 7 May 2002 17:42:31 -0400 "Ricardo Pontes" wrote: > >> >> I need a rear pirelli supercorsa tire for this weekend(track day), but i >> cannot find it anywhere. Does anyone know if they would object to using 2 >> different tires? i have a pirelli supercorsa front? >> >> Ricardo > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message sent using EMUmail -- http://www.emumail.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Jumping through hoops to get E-mail on the road? > You've got two choices: Join the circus, or use MollyMail. > > Molly Mail -- http://www.mollymail.com > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 22:44:58 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Larry Larson > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > Cc: "'DC Cycles'" > > At 08:10 PM 5/7/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > >> Yep, I remember the golf range case. The guy had a plan approved by zoning, >> he ignored said plan, was served with proper papers and proceeded to cop a >> HUGE attitude with the judge. He was an a**hole looking for a place to >> fart. > > Bill, it was a much more complicated case developing over a much > longer period than that description would indicate. Loudon County > intrigue rivals the big city! > >> .... But local covenants >> of the snotty subdivision kind should be banned forever. The county is >> welcome to survey my digs, but the "Prissy Hollow Architectural Committee >> may sit a large splintery fence post and rotate... > > Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in > places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going > in -- sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with > copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't buy in. > Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the > oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. > > Besides, it's never the covenants themselves that are the problem -- > it's living in and dealing with a potentially random group of people, > and the politics that develop among them. Not unlike a commune. > Or a mailing list. > > -- Larry > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:12:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: matthew patton > Subject: Re: CCS at Summit Point on May 11-12 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> donning his leathers (o.k., squeezing into them) to try to pick up a >> trophy or two in the SuperSingles and LW Sportsman classes. I rode > > damn, there goes my hope for wood on the slowest piloted GS known to > man. > >> GB600RR (rolling roadblock) on the track for the first time in three >> years at Monday's Team ProMotion event. I have to admit, I was so > > Heck, I'm so *slow* I can count the ants crossing under my tires. I > don't even know what fast *is* let alone capable of being ashamed at my > forward velocity. > >> maybe I'll announce your name! > > Here's a $20 spot. point out the white guy on #385 will ya? And > hopefully without a lot of biting commentary as to how moss is growing > on my feet. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:14:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: matthew patton > Subject: Re: is this guy for real? fixed URL > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > sorry about the typo. It's mototuneusA.com > >>> http://mototuneuse.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Bruhl, George LT" > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 05/07/02 > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:32:37 -0400 > >> So maybe those involved could get out >> their measuring tapes, whip out their, uh, competition accessories, and >> settle once and for all who is the Alpha Male. > > Didn't Naomi Wolfe appoint Al Gore as the Alpha Male? > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:39:04 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Larry Larson > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > > > > Larry Larson wrote: > >> Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in >> places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going >> in -- sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with >> copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't buy in. >> Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the >> oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. >> > > Correct, I would never buy into a covenent restricted `hood. When I bought > this > joint I never saw a covenent documnet - turned out the `hood did have one, but > a > search of variosu records only turned up ONE copy. A bunch of us read it - > laughing over the part that *prevented* us from selling our dive to "a person > of > color". Then we tossed that one copy into a bonfire and declared our `hood > covenent free. > >> Besides, it's never the covenants themselves that are the problem -- >> it's living in and dealing with a potentially random group of people, >> and the politics that develop among them. Not unlike a commune. >> Or a mailing list. > > Yes, we have plenty of wars here, but the lack of a silly covenet restricts > the > wars to whatever fairfax county feels like making a zoning law, some of which > are > equallyt silly. The grass law? Hahahaha... Or how about only using 25% of > one's front lawn for parking vehicles? I'm on a corner lot -- where exactly > is > my front lawn since the main driveway is on the official side of the house? > That > was an attempt to restrict total vehickles. Oops. My all time high was 9 > cages, > now I've trimmed the pack to 3 cages, 2 motorcycles, and two boats on > trailers. > Parking in the yrad is cool, less grass to mow! > > Bill - mah home is mah castle... > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:45:18 -0700 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Lori Wilson > Subject: Re: BB Leathers, Back Protectors and Knee Pucks > > I got my racing leathers from him > And quite frankly they are amazing. They are well made, not to mention > aesthetically pleasing. > They fit perfectly, as there is no way I could ever fit in an off the rack > size. > Bill was wonderful through the entire process, and as Tom said he is a > GREAT guy. > If you have any questions about my suit, you can contact me > Lori > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:50:40 -0700 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Lori Wilson > Subject: Re: CCS at Summit Point on May 11-12 > > One additional thing- if you have the time to spare, and are planning on > coming out anyway, why not plan on volunteering to cornerwork? > The class starts at 9am on Saturday and goes until the end of the day. The > morning is class time- the afternoon you are out on the track with another > worker. > Its a lot of fun, you have great seats- and you don't have any obligation > to come back if you don't like it. > Remember, MARRC is completely run by volunteers and without them there > wouldn't be motorcycle racing at Summit Point. Come check it out! > > "If you have never cornerworked before, MARRC offers an outstanding > training and > orientation class on Saturday, May 11, for all newcomers. Not only are > you > introduced to the procedures for operating a safe race, but you will see > all > the aspects of a race weekend including each corner on the track, > scoring, > control, and starting procedures. This training is so good that the AMA > and > Formula USA adopted the program for their own cornerworkers. Contact > Roger > Bacon at training@XXXXXX for details" > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Brian Roach > To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:53:24 -0400 > > On Tuesday 07 May 2002 22:44, Larry Larson wrote: > >> Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in >> places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going >> in -- sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with >> copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't buy in. >> Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the >> oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. > > The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just > Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't > have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where > someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front door. > > The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board > of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should > really seek professional help. > > The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them > when they threaten to do something illegal :) > > - Roach > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 09:12:18 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > > At 08:53 AM 5/8/2002, Brian Roach wrote: >> The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just >> Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't >> have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where >> someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front door. > > HOAs are double edged. They keep the neighborhood looking as it was > designed, but they are also generally a pain in the ass. I grew up in > 'Little Rocky Run' known formally as 'Little Rocky Russia' at the > time. Sheds had to have a matching roof pitch, shingle and siding. Plus > trim color. > > I now live in a development with no HOA. I love it. No rusted out cars in > the back yard, but there is the occasional yard debris pile that won't go > away, or an ugly fence. I could care less. HOAs strip the life and > individuality out of the neighborhood. It is hard to get away from them > though. > > Moto content : Maryland driver (in VA) cut me off yesterday turning right > on red, then swerved two lanes and slammed on her brakes before the next > light. Young female driver with a cig in the left hand and a cell phone in > the right. Ugh. Get thee back to thy own damned state. I finished my > commute with some sort of Styrofoam explosion at 5100/66 and Clifton > backroads dead stopped because it was sprinkling. Cooled off my leathers > anyway. Looked like I was on fire with the steam. > > Caged it today. No interest in high winds and T-storms this afternoon. If > the weather monkeys get it right this time (doubtful). > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:19:49 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Daniel H. Brown" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Brian Roach wrote: > >> The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them >> when they threaten to do something illegal :) > > Ya... try being a ham radio operator and wanting to put up antennas -- for > which there is a /federal/ "reasonable accomodations for..." pre-emption. > You still often have a fight. > > See: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/antenna-restrictions.html > > Ob Moto -- I changed the winter air out of my tires. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 09:21:25 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Aki Damme > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > > At 08:53 AM 5/8/2002 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: > > > > >> The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board >> of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should >> really seek professional help. >> >> The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them >> when they threaten to do something illegal :) >> >> - Roach > > > One of the reasons that I sold my townhouse in Reston and moved to Herndon was > because of the RHOA and their design and review board. Now, it's bad > enough that > there even *is* a review board that has to approve anything done to the > exterior of > your home, but to not have any consistency AT ALL is ridiculous. > > For example, my townhouse was immaculate. A perfect (postage stamp sized) > front > lawn, flowers, new paint, windows, deck out back etc. My neighbor, a > renter on the other > hand had mud for a yard, siding that was peeling off, missing shingles, and > a front storm > door that was always swung open because the retention spring was broke and > the glass > on the door was broken out. Additionally, two of the four front window > screens were missing > and the porch light was hanging by it's electrical wires. It was this way > for at least 4 years. > > I was pinged by the RHOA because MY REAR PORCH LIGHT WAS BRASS INSTEAD OF > BLACK LIKE MY NEIGHBORS!!!. And my next door neighbor was totally > ignored! When I > brought this up to RHOA, their response was that they "can't see every flaw > in every home, they > just take a sample". > > When I sold the home, RHOA required me to repaint the eaves the original > color, which MUST > be purchased at a specific paint shop...that has (get this), BEEN OUT OF > BUSINESS FOR 10 YEARS! > > It took me two weeks to get them to "allow" me to buy a like color from a > Benjamin Moore paint > store and I had to give the new owner documentation that showed my > authorized "waiver" to > use another brand! What exotic color was this you ask? WHITE!!!! > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Content-Disposition: inline > From: "Gerald Hubbard" > To: ricardo@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:21:58 -0500 > Subject: Leather Suit <$500 > X-Originating-Ip: 65.105.138.205 > X-Originating-Server: ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com > > Ricardo, > > Last week I purchased a new set of Leathers from Velocity in Richmond. They > are next door to Moto Europa. They also have a ton of interesting bikes for > sale. All vintage! > > The style is Xpert, X-2000 series from First Manufacturing. The jacket is > perf'd leather and has pads that can be replaced by CE Armor. He will sell > the jacket CE Armor pads for $37. The pants have a universal zipper for > attaching to the jacket and armor, but no knee sliders. Those can be added > with a velcro patch or just use a strap-on. Somebody else on the list might > be expert at strap-ons. > > I was shopping for Dainese or custom Vansons at Moto Europa before venturing > into Velocity. I usually visit Velocity to see the bikes. The owner has > added clothing to his inventory since my last visit. > > At $456 for pants and jacket, it was too good a deal to pass up. The pants > are at Bedos now for taking in the waist to match my svelte figure. At 6'5" > and 205lbs, I was not easy to fit. > > Good Luck, > > Gerald > Ducati ST4 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Email.com > http://www.email.com/?sr=signup > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sent: 8 May 2002 13:32:28 GMT > Content-Disposition: inline > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, abutler@XXXXXX, jshcentr@XXXXXX > From: "LAURA GRANATO" > Subject: truck and muscles > X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 06:32:28 -0700 (PDT) > Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX > > This is definitely off-topic, so please forgive...I > need someone with a truck or large SUV in the > Centreville area to help me move two pieces of > furniture. If anyone is willing and able, I will repay > the favor!!!!! > > Laura > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Brian Roach" , "Larry Larson" , > > Subject: OT: HOAs, was Re: Maryland sucks. > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:43:22 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > The problem with HOAs is that while "you know what you're getting into" when > you buy, but you are at the mercy of whatever busy-body control freaks serve > on the board, whatever personal vendettas are being aired, etc., over the > interpretation of the covenants and new requirements the HOA sees fit to > adopt. Construction in our historic neighborhood is subject to > architectural review by a city-wide review board (which you can appeal BTW, > to the DC Council and the courts), but nothing that approaches HOA-style > regulation. Unless a HOA is in direct conflict with laws or the underlying > covenants they're isn't a whole lot you can do but try to get the leadership > changed. The DC historic preservation regs. apply to new construction and > substantial renovation. You can paint your house any color you want. > > The place where my brother lives in the burbs is not even six months old and > they're already having HOA parking wars because people use their garages for > storage and park their cages outside. No matter where you live you're going > to run into conflicts with your neighbors over potentially obnoxious > behavior that reflects on the whole block, but I prefer to work things out > informally without a HOA. I find peer pressure is a very effective tool. > > Paul in DC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Roach" > > >> On Tuesday 07 May 2002 22:44, Larry Larson wrote: >> >>> Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in >>> places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going >>> in -- sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with >>> copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't buy > in. >>> Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the >>> oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. >> >> The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not > just >> Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't >> have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where >> someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front > door. >> >> The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the > board >> of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they > should >> really seek professional help. >> >> The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to > them >> when they threaten to do something illegal :) >> >> - Roach >> > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:02:48 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: LAURA GRANATO > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, abutler@XXXXXX, jshcentr@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: truck and muscles > > I have a P/U with an 8' bed and a full size van. Problem is I'll be in > NC until Monday. If no one steps up to help out before than, contact me > here and we'll figure it out. > > Bill > > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > >> This is definitely off-topic, so please forgive...I >> need someone with a truck or large SUV in the >> Centreville area to help me move two pieces of >> furniture. If anyone is willing and able, I will repay >> the favor!!!!! >> >> Laura >> >> ________________________________________________ >> PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >> http://www.peoplepc.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 > X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ > Subject: RE: Leather Suit <$500 > Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:01:12 -0400 > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 14:01:12.0809 (UTC) > FILETIME=[CFFE3590:01C1F698] > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id > g48E1El26019 > > I thought this was G-rated family list. So we don't need to be discussing > "strap-ons" and other such sex toys. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > > with a velcro patch or just use a strap-on. Somebody else on the list might > be expert at strap-ons. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:08:04 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Aki Damme > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > > > > Aki Damme wrote: > >> One of the reasons that I sold my townhouse in Reston and moved to Herndon >> was >> because of the RHOA and their design and review board. Now, it's bad >> enough that >> there even *is* a review board that has to approve anything done to the >> exterior of >> your home, but to not have any consistency AT ALL is ridiculous. >> >> For example, my townhouse was immaculate. A perfect (postage stamp sized) >> front >> lawn, flowers, new paint, windows, deck out back etc. My neighbor, a >> renter on the other >> hand had mud for a yard, siding that was peeling off, missing shingles, and >> a front storm >> door that was always swung open because the retention spring was broke and >> the glass >> on the door was broken out. Additionally, two of the four front window >> screens were missing >> and the porch light was hanging by it's electrical wires. It was this way >> for at least 4 years. >> >> I was pinged by the RHOA because MY REAR PORCH LIGHT WAS BRASS INSTEAD OF >> BLACK LIKE MY NEIGHBORS!!!. And my next door neighbor was totally >> ignored! When I >> brought this up to RHOA, their response was that they "can't see every flaw >> in every home, they >> just take a sample". >> >> When I sold the home, RHOA required me to repaint the eaves the original >> color, which MUST >> be purchased at a specific paint shop...that has (get this), BEEN OUT OF >> BUSINESS FOR 10 YEARS! >> >> It took me two weeks to get them to "allow" me to buy a like color from a >> Benjamin Moore paint >> store and I had to give the new owner documentation that showed my >> authorized "waiver" to >> use another brand! What exotic color was this you ask? WHITE!!!! > > CLASSIC! One of my pals wanted to paint his townhouse in Burke and was told > he > had to choose betwixt 7 "Williamsburg" colors. Do tell, since Williamsburg > was > rubble under the acumulated ground cover of treefall rotted to soil when > rediscovered by those who search for original colonial sites, how do they know > what colors were used? If any. Methinks paint wasn't a big issue back in > those > times. > > I say nieghborhood HOA commitees suck smega coated goat d**ks. > > Bill > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:16:06 -0400 > From: > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: > Subject: OT: HOAs, was Re: Maryland sucks - but at least it's a State ;-) > > Larry asks RE: HOA > Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in > places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going in -- > sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with > copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't > buy in. Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years > about the oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. > Besides, it's never the covenants themselves that are the problem -- > it's living in and dealing with a potentially random group of people, > and the politics that develop among them. Not unlike a commune. Or a > mailing list. > > [Dave] I would amend the above by saying that covenants and bylaws > for communities are WRITTEN with a valid purpose - to preserve > property value - but some are written poorly, some enforced poorly, > some (HOA's) are populated poorly, or all of these... > > Roach Ruminated - > The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria > (not just Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 > years that doesn't have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now > you restrict where someone can live if they don't want to ask before > painting their front door. > > [Dave] > > While I am certainly not the end all, be all knowledge source on > personal safety & security, nor do I profess to be, I would reccomend > avoiding (living in) areas with a dense population such as an > apartment complex, condo or townhouse development. Even some newer > allegedly 'low (relatively) cost' single family home communities > (Kingstowne Alexandria comes to mind). The reason for this is dense > packing of humans (and their pets & progeny) in a small area. Many, > but not all, of these communities are 'entry level' or low cost buy > ins, which attract low income buyers (this is NOT necessarily bad), > but, it also attracts buyers with government assistance. Some of > these buyers, have been known to not take care of their property as > enthusiastically as most. Then, when good entry level buyers gain > enough of a financial foothold to 'move up', often for financial > reasons, they need to rent. Renting got a lot trickier with the fair > housing act, because you can't be particularly selective about > renters without running afoul of the law... > Density of population brings in crime. It creates a 'target rich > environment for criminals. Many of these population rich, high > target areas also have easy access to mass transportation, which is > yet another draw for higher crime. Most of which is property crime, > but you do see additional person on person crime too. Statistically, > you are safer, and better off financially in an older neighborhood, > with, coincidentally, zero covenants or HOA's and your bike will be > safer too :-) > > > Roach goes on to analyze - > The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on > the board of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for > which they should really seek professional help. The only real fun > thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them when they > threaten to do something illegal :) > > [Dave] I agree. When I served on the covenants board, I was shaking > my head in disbelief that people actually cared about some of that > nonsense. Just like in all aspects of life, there are residents that > want to be left alone. These will be singled out by the board > eventually as a dissenter, and targeted for ... special attention. > And Roach's 'legal standing' comments should not serve to buoy > anyone's hopes of an easy resolution to a problem. The law in your > favor doesn't mean crap if the HOA refuses to follow it, until you > sue them. Most won't put in the effort or $$$ to do that... If > you're determined you can win, but it can cost you too, because just > because the law says you *CAN* recover damages winning against an > association, doesn't mean the judge will grant you legal costs > (that 's a 2 way street). Some HOA's just LOVE to single out > motorcyclists, and since there are fewer of us, we're unfortunately > easy targets for special enforcement. > > Aki complained - > I was pinged by the RHOA because MY REAR PORCH LIGHT WAS BRASS > INSTEAD OF BLACK LIKE MY NEIGHBORS!!!. And my next door neighbor was > totally ignored! When I brought this up to RHOA, their response was > that they "can't see every flaw in every home, they just take a > sample". > > [Dave] Then you should've gotten a lawyer & asserted > discrimination. Where's Gimer when you need him? probably sparring > with Pena in an email rant or something ;-) Seriously, if it's good > enough for YOUR house, it's good enough for EVERY house or it's not > enforceable. > > Paul adds - > No matter where you live you're going to run into conflicts with your > neighbors over potentially obnoxious behavior that reflects on the > whole block, but I prefer to work things out informally without a > HOA. I find peer pressure is a very effective tool. > > [Dave] I've NEVER had this problem. Maybe because I clean all my > guns in public, for all to see (some of them). Maybe because I walk > around the 'hood talking to myself LOUDLY... :-) don't knock it, > I've had some of my best conversations that way ! I don't HAVE a > loud pipe vehicle, but if I did, I'd venture to say that the > neighbors would be a little nervous about having a 'neighbor > conflict' with "that cool guy, Dave, and that nutcase, lunatic gun > totin' wife o' his' ;-) > > Dave > > > > -- > Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! > Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "ROBERSON, Brian" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: OT: RE: HOAs (Maryland does suck) > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:20:00 -0400 > > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F69B.704023E0 > > > > I guess it depends on where you live. I live in a Germantown single family > neighborhood. The HOA has a 20 page list of rules, but seldom do they ever > come down on anyone. Only in the blatant cases where families are > disregarding basic 'common decency'. I have seen multiple satellite dishes > go up without written permission to the HOA. They never really care. (Im > very much against telling a homeowner that after he pays $300,000 dollars, > he can't put up a $100 dish..) At any rate, I guess it just depends on who > sits on the HOA committee. > > Adding some motorcycle content. Our HOA rules boldly state, there will be no > MOTORCYCLE parking anywhere but in a garage. You may not park a cycle in > your driveway, or on the road or sidewalk. I have NEVER seen this enforced > in our HOA. Its simply in the rules. > > VFR content: Recently a fellow with a 2000 VFR moved in 5 doors down from > me. Nice to have company!! We hit some nice roads Sunday in the Harpers > Ferry area. There is this awesome little road right off the main road where > you go into Harpers Ferry -- the route # escapes me. We decided to swap > bikes. The first thing I noticed was he had a 46T rear sprocket. He also > had a Corbin seat. I believe the stock 99 VFR comes with a 43T?? Well, let > me just say.. WOW.. I kept the bike in 3rd gear (normally 2nd on mine) -- > and kept the rpms 5-7K .. Can I just say again "WOW!" .. I couldn't believe > the added power down low! The bike was not acting like a VFR. After the > ride, getting back on mine - it just didn't feel right! The power was > gone!! At any rate, I know Speedo error is greatly enhanced, but I think > this is one mod I'd like to make. Also, the Corbin seat seemed to soak up a > huge amount of vibration. Do all Corbin's do this? With my Sargent, I > don't notice any vibration coming through the pan of the seat. > > Brian > 99 VFR > Germantown MD, HOA, 109$ x 4/yr (not too bad) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:43 AM > To: Brian Roach; Larry Larson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: OT: HOAs, was Re: Maryland sucks. > > > The problem with HOAs is that while "you know what you're getting into" when > you buy, but you are at the mercy of whatever busy-body control freaks serve > on the board, whatever personal vendettas are being aired, etc., over the > interpretation of the covenants and new requirements the HOA sees fit to > adopt. Construction in our historic neighborhood is subject to > architectural review by a city-wide review board (which you can appeal BTW, > to the DC Council and the courts), but nothing that approaches HOA-style > regulation. Unless a HOA is in direct conflict with laws or the underlying > covenants they're isn't a whole lot you can do but try to get the leadership > changed. The DC historic preservation regs. apply to new construction and > substantial renovation. You can paint your house any color you want. > > The place where my brother lives in the burbs is not even six months old and > they're already having HOA parking wars because people use their garages for > storage and park their cages outside. No matter where you live you're going > to run into conflicts with your neighbors over potentially obnoxious > behavior that reflects on the whole block, but I prefer to work things out > informally without a HOA. I find peer pressure is a very effective tool. > > Paul in DC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Roach" > > >> On Tuesday 07 May 2002 22:44, Larry Larson wrote: >> >>> Why? Most people believe they serve a valid purpose, especially in >>> places like here Old Town Alexandria.You know about them going in -- >>> sellers and associations are required by law to provide you with >>> copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't like the concept, don't >>> buy > in. >>> Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch and moan for years about the >>> oppressive restrictions, which is what so many people do. >> >> The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not > just >> Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that >> doesn't have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you >> restrict where someone can live if they don't want to ask before >> painting their front > door. >> >> The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the > board >> of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they > should >> really seek professional help. >> >> The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws >> to > them >> when they threaten to do something illegal :) >> >> - Roach >> > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F69B.704023E0 > > > > > charset=3DUS-ASCII"> > 5.5.2653.12"> > OT: RE: HOAs (Maryland does suck) > > >
>
> >

I guess it depends on where you live. I live in a = > Germantown single family neighborhood.  The HOA has a 20 page list = > of rules, but seldom do they ever come down on anyone.  Only in = > the blatant cases where families are disregarding basic 'common = > decency'. I have seen multiple satellite dishes go up without written = > permission to the HOA.  They never really care.  (Im very = > much against telling a homeowner that after he pays $300,000 dollars, = > he can't put up a $100 dish..)  At any rate, I guess it just = > depends on who sits on the HOA committee.

> >

Adding some motorcycle content. Our HOA rules boldly = > state, there will be no MOTORCYCLE parking anywhere but in a = > garage.  You may not park a cycle in your driveway, or on the road = > or sidewalk.  I have NEVER seen this enforced in our HOA. Its = > simply in the rules. 

> >

VFR content: Recently a fellow with a 2000 VFR moved = > in 5 doors down from me.  Nice to have company!!  We hit some = > nice roads Sunday in the Harpers Ferry area.  There is this = > awesome little road right off the main road where you go into Harpers = > Ferry -- the route # escapes me.  We decided to swap bikes.  = > The first thing I noticed was he had a 46T rear sprocket.  He also = > had a Corbin seat.  I believe the stock 99 VFR comes with a 43T?? = > Well, let me just say.. WOW.. I kept the bike in 3rd gear (normally 2nd = > on mine) -- and kept the rpms 5-7K .. Can I just say again = > "WOW!" .. I couldn't believe the added power down low! The = > bike was not acting like a VFR.  After the ride, getting back on = > mine - it just didn't feel right!  The power was gone!!  At = > any rate, I know Speedo error is greatly enhanced, but I think this is = > one mod I'd like to make.  Also, the Corbin seat seemed to soak up = > a huge amount of vibration.  Do all Corbin's do this?  With = > my Sargent, I don't notice any vibration coming through the pan of the = > seat.

> >

Brian >
99 VFR >
Germantown MD, HOA, 109$ x 4/yr (not too bad) >

> >

-----Original Message----- >
From: Paul Wilson [ HREF=3D"mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX">mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX= > ] >
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:43 AM >
To: Brian Roach; Larry Larson; = > dc-cycles@XXXXXX >
Subject: OT: HOAs, was Re: Maryland sucks. >

>
> >

The problem with HOAs is that while "you know = > what you're getting into" when you buy, but you are at the mercy = > of whatever busy-body control freaks serve on the board, whatever = > personal vendettas are being aired, etc., over the interpretation of = > the covenants and new requirements the HOA sees fit to adopt.  = > Construction in our historic neighborhood is subject to architectural = > review by a city-wide review board (which you can appeal BTW, to the DC = > Council and the courts), but nothing that approaches HOA-style = > regulation.  Unless a HOA is in direct conflict with laws or the = > underlying covenants they're isn't a whole lot you can do but try to = > get the leadership changed.  The DC historic preservation regs. = > apply to new construction and substantial renovation.  You can = > paint your house any color you want.

> >

The place where my brother lives in the burbs is not = > even six months old and they're already having HOA parking wars because = > people use their garages for storage and park their cages outside. = > No matter where you live you're going to run into conflicts with your = > neighbors over potentially obnoxious behavior that reflects on the = > whole block, but I prefer to work things out informally without a = > HOA.  I find peer pressure is a very effective tool.

> >

Paul in DC >
----- Original Message ----- >
From: "Brian Roach" = > <roach@XXXXXX> >

>
> >

> On Tuesday 07 May 2002 22:44, Larry Larson = > wrote: >
> >
> > Why? Most people believe they serve a = > valid purpose, especially in >
> > places like here Old Town Alexandria.You = > know about them going in -- >
> > sellers and associations are required by = > law to provide you with >
> > copies of all covenants, etc. If you don't = > like the concept, don't >
> > buy >
in. >
> > Simple. But don't buy in and then bitch = > and moan for years about the >
> > oppressive restrictions, which is what so = > many people do. >
> >
> The problem with that logic is... there IS no = > place in Alexandria (not >
just >
> Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the = > last 10 years that >
> doesn't have some snotty Homer Owner's = > Association.  So now you >
> restrict where someone can live if they don't = > want to ask before >
> painting their front >
door. >
> >
> The second problem is that most of the people = > who bother to be on the >
board >
> of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious = > issues for which they >
should >
> really seek professional help. >
> >
> The only real fun thing about HOAs is = > explaining State and local laws >
> to >
them >
> when they threaten to do something illegal = > :) >
> >
> - Roach >
> >

> > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F69B.704023E0-- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:32:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Weaver > Subject: Re: OT: RE: HOAs (Maryland does suck) > To: "ROBERSON, Brian" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > --- "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote: >> Adding some motorcycle content. Our HOA rules boldly >> state, there will be no >> MOTORCYCLE parking anywhere but in a garage. You >> may not park a cycle in >> your driveway, or on the road or sidewalk. I have >> NEVER seen this enforced >> in our HOA. Its simply in the rules. > > It may be in the rules, however it's my understanding > that it's illegal to enforce if your neighborhood > received/s any sort of governmental assistance for > road construction or maintenance or owns those roads. > There have been recent precedents for this, as I > recall. > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "William J. Huson" , "Aki Damme" > Cc: > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:35:50 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > Actually many Colonial-era paint colors are quite garish to modern eyes and > would make Elvis blush. Bright greens, iridescent blues, and stunning > yellows. Living in a gray and brown earth-tone world, with the occasional > whitewash, the last thing you're going to do is paint something in muted > tones. You spent money on paint (with expensive imported pigments) you > wanted to really see it, like Geo. Washington's eye-popping Prussian blue at > Mt. Vernon, the stunning green at Geo. Mason's place and Thomas Jefferson's > bright yellow dome room at Monticello. Paint was a status symbol. The > tasteful, soft, muted Martha Stewart "colonial" colors we're used to > resulted from what Bill says, age, when the original research was done. > Pigment analysis is much more sophisticated these days. The color nazis are > talking out of their hats when it comes to the issue of "authentic" colors. > > Paul in DC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Huson" >> >> CLASSIC! One of my pals wanted to paint his townhouse in Burke and was > told he >> had to choose betwixt 7 "Williamsburg" colors. Do tell, since > Williamsburg was >> rubble under the acumulated ground cover of treefall rotted to soil when >> rediscovered by those who search for original colonial sites, how do they > know >> what colors were used? If any. Methinks paint wasn't a big issue back in > those >> times. >> >> I say nieghborhood HOA commitees suck smega coated goat d**ks. >> >> Bill >> >> > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Danny Thompson" > To: "D.C. Cycles" > Subject: SV race bikes for sale: SPAM > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:50:54 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > OK gang, I can't race this season so I am selling it all (mostly)... > Here is the deal... > '00 SV650: New Penske triple adjustable shock, front forks reworked by > traxxion dynamics with emulators, .95 springs, and heavier oil, M4 exhaust > system, New CFM rearsets and clip-ons, brand new full bodywork (not > installed except tail), Stainless Brake lines with New EBC pads (1 track > day) New GP Tech fairing bracket, steering damper (I forget the brand), > Rennsports with 1 race weekend and 1 track day, dented tank :( I bought this > bike with the dented tank from someone who wrecked it on the street and > converted it to a racebike, I have not replaced or repaired the tank since > it works fine). I have a set of rain tires mounted on wheels that I would > also include with this setup. This bike has 2 race weekends on it and 2 > track days. Asking price is $4800 with the extra wheels, $4500 without the > extra wheels. > > '99 SV650: New Penske triple adjustable shock, front forks have .95 springs > and heavier oil, stock exhaust - but have TBR exhaust can with headers that > needs a connector pipe, complete 520 conversion w/ 2 race weekends, New CFM > rearsets and clip-ons, CCS & WERA legal belly pan, stock rear plastic, > dented tank :( I wrecked this bike and that is what dented the tank. I > replaced other damaged parts like rearsets and clip-ons, but did not replace > or repair the tank. It holds gas fine.) This bike has 9 race weekends on it. > Asking price is $3500. > > I would sell both as a package for $7800 with the extra wheels, $7500 > without the extra wheels. > > I am sure there are other things like used tires and street parts etc. that > I would throw in, but these are the things that I can think of off the top > of my head. If anyone is interested let me know. Right now I don't want to > consider parting out the bikes. > > Thanks, > Danny > '02 XR 250R > '00 SV (racebike) (for sale) > '99 SV (racebike) (for sale) > '98 Superhawk (for sale) > www.onewayracing.org > CSBA #150 > ...................................... > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:53:18 -0400 > From: Dale Horstman > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > To: Troutman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-Accept-Language: en > > Troutman wrote: >> >> Caged it today. No interest in high winds and T-storms this afternoon. If >> the weather monkeys get it right this time (doubtful). > > What's that? Bad weather this > afternoon? I didn't bother listening to the weather guessers > get it wrong a second day in a row (really nasty thunderstorms > we had yesterday, weren't they?) - it was a nice ride in > to work this morning. > > Hork > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:54:36 -0400 > From: Dale Horstman > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > To: Troutman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-Accept-Language: en > > Troutman wrote: >> >> Caged it today. No interest in high winds and T-storms this afternoon. > > BTW, I love this subject header. Somebody start a flame war or > something, it'd be a hoot to see "Maryland sucks" 100 times in > everybody's in-box today... :) > > Horkster > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: RichH@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: HOA > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:56:50 -0400 > > Same with the ruins in Athens. I still remember the shock of learning that > one day in History of Architecture. > > The HOA where I live in McCLean doesn't allow MCs or pick-ups. I think it > has something to do with motorcycle gangs fighting each other, luckily that > hasn't happened in years. They let me hide mine under a cover and in-front > of my car. I'm still upset they let a pick-up move in across the courtyard, > what a white trash vehicle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:36 AM > To: William J. Huson; Aki Damme > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > > Actually many Colonial-era paint colors are quite garish to modern eyes and > would make Elvis blush. Bright greens, iridescent blues, and stunning > yellows. Living in a gray and brown earth-tone world, with the occasional > whitewash, the last thing you're going to do is paint something in muted > tones. You spent money on paint (with expensive imported pigments) you > wanted to really see it, like Geo. Washington's eye-popping Prussian blue at > Mt. Vernon, the stunning green at Geo. Mason's place and Thomas Jefferson's > bright yellow dome room at Monticello. Paint was a status symbol. The > tasteful, soft, muted Martha Stewart "colonial" colors we're used to > resulted from what Bill says, age, when the original research was done. > Pigment analysis is much more sophisticated these days. The color nazis are > talking out of their hats when it comes to the issue of "authentic" colors. > > Paul in DC > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:19:06 -0200 > From: dan carr > Subject: Ticket Fight > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --Boundary_(ID_LZrGL7jtowUu4Q4xcDTONw) > > Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of = > the discourse on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but = > given the impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General = > District Court (traffic) tomorrow. I can't afford pride. Basically I ran = > into a speed trap setup at the end of a tight S curve was going 25-30MPH = > and got waved over. I was next to another car going the same direction = > and several in the opposite direction. He asked how fast I thought I was = > going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. I got you on Laser. I said I = > really don't think I was anywhere near 44MPH, he says, "when you entered = > the turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed (SP) it because = > when I let off the trigger it read 44MPH." From what I have found using = > Laser in a corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given that he = > would have had to hold the beam on me through the whole turn I can't = > believe he wrote a ticket. He did have a big grin the whole time he was = > writing the ticket from his Harley so some Anti-Sportbike bias may have = > been at play too. Anyway, I have no speeding tickets on my record but = > one fender bender in my cage in 2000 plus the move here to Arlington has = > already pushed my insurance up to levels beyond sanity. If I get = > convicted of this ticket I may very well have to sell the bike. I have = > heard Alexandria District Court is guilty until proven innocent and when = > I called to inquire how discovery requests were handled I got a chuckle = > followed by "you just show up and the Judge tells you whether you are = > guilty or not and how much you have to pay". If anyone can give me some = > advice or a name of someone I could talk too. Unfortunately I'm strapped = > financially so I thought I would handle it myself but I'm starting to = > worry. Thanks Dan > > --Boundary_(ID_LZrGL7jtowUu4Q4xcDTONw) > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = > mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; = > mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Hello=20 > all, I=92ve been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of the = > discourse=20 > on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but given the = > impending=20 > railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General District Court = > (traffic)=20 > tomorrow. I can=92t afford pride. Basically I ran into a speed trap = > setup at=20 > the end of a tight S curve was going 25-30MPH and got waved over. I was = > next to=20 > another car going the same direction and several in the opposite = > direction. He=20 > asked how fast I thought I was going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. = > I got=20 > you on Laser. I said I really don=92t think I was anywhere near 44MPH, = > he says,=20 > =93when you entered the turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have = > goosed (SP) it=20 > because when I let off the trigger it read 44MPH.=94 From what I have = > found using=20 > Laser in a corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given that he = > would have=20 > had to hold the beam on me through the whole turn I can=92t believe he = > wrote a=20 > ticket. He did have a big grin the whole time he was writing the ticket = > from his=20 > Harley so some Anti-Sportbike bias may have been at play too. Anyway, I = > have no=20 > speeding tickets on my record but one fender bender in my cage in 2000 = > plus the=20 > move here to Arlington has already pushed my insurance up to levels = > beyond=20 > sanity. If I get convicted of this ticket I may very well have to sell = > the bike.=20 > I have heard Alexandria District Court is guilty until proven innocent = > and when=20 > I called to inquire how discovery requests were handled I got a chuckle = > followed=20 > by =93you just show up and the Judge tells you whether you are guilty or = > not and=20 > how much you have to pay=94. If anyone can give me some advice or a name = > of=20 > someone I could talk too. Unfortunately I=92m strapped financially so I = > thought I=20 > would handle it myself but I=92m starting to worry. style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> Thanks=20 > Dan
> > --Boundary_(ID_LZrGL7jtowUu4Q4xcDTONw)-- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:27:38 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Re: OT: RE: HOAs Moto Parking > > At 10:20 AM 5/8/2002, ROBERSON, Brian wrote: >> Adding some motorcycle content. Our HOA rules boldly state, there will be >> no MOTORCYCLE parking anywhere but in a garage. You may not park a cycle >> in your driveway, or on the road or sidewalk. I have NEVER seen this >> enforced in our HOA. Its simply in the rules. > > I faced a similar problem in Newgate, Centreville. I had the bylaws > changed. They wouldn't allow a moto to share a spot with a cage. I used > to park my bike on the white line between my two parking spots. They > acknowledged that since it was between my two cars, it was ok. > > Parking on a sidewalk is never a good idea for access reasons. (think > wheelchair!) > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: RichH@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ticket Fight > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:35:27 -0400 > > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F6A5.FD37AF2A > > I might have asked a little while ago. "A Speeders Guide to Avoiding > Tickets" is a great book and deals mostly with talking to police and the > court room. It's a quick read if you can find a copy. Other wise use > common sense, dress nice, be polite, and ask for traffic school or try to > work a deal with the judge. Let him know of your ~clean record and > insurance issues. It'll let him know you're not going to do it again. If > you were in a 25mph zone at 44 you're less than 20 over which the cop could > have given you reckless for. If you can talk him down 10mph you're now 9mph > over and I think it's less points, don't remember for sure right now. Take > a fine over points as it won't affect insurance. Have something to say to > the judge, he's not going to lower it if you just stand there and say yes > sir. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dan carr [mailto:djcarr1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:19 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ticket Fight > > Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of the > discourse on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but given the > impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General District Court > (traffic) tomorrow. I can't afford pride. Basically I ran into a speed trap > setup at the end of a tight S curve was going 25-30MPH and got waved over. I > was next to another car going the same direction and several in the opposite > direction. He asked how fast I thought I was going and I said 30 tops and he > said 44. I got you on Laser. I said I really don't think I was anywhere near > 44MPH, he says, "when you entered the turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must > have goosed (SP) it because when I let off the trigger it read 44MPH." From > what I have found using Laser in a corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, > and given that he would have had to hold the beam on me through the whole > turn I can't believe he wrote a ticket. He did have a big grin the whole > time he was writing the ticket from his Harley so some Anti-Sportbike bias > may have been at play too. Anyway, I have no speeding tickets on my record > but one fender bender in my cage in 2000 plus the move here to Arlington has > already pushed my insurance up to levels beyond sanity. If I get convicted > of this ticket I may very well have to sell the bike. I have heard > Alexandria District Court is guilty until proven innocent and when I called > to inquire how discovery requests were handled I got a chuckle followed by > "you just show up and the Judge tells you whether you are guilty or not and > how much you have to pay". If anyone can give me some advice or a name of > someone I could talk too. Unfortunately I'm strapped financially so I > thought I would handle it myself but I'm starting to worry. Thanks Dan > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F6A5.FD37AF2A > > > xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = > xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = > xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, = > 2002 9:19 > AM
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color=3Dblack > face=3D"Times New Roman"> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hello all, > I've been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of the = > discourse on > the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but given the impending > railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General District Court = > (traffic) > tomorrow. I can't afford pride. Basically I ran into a speed trap = > setup at > the end of a tight S curve was going 25-30MPH and got waved over. I was = > next to > another car going the same direction and several in the opposite = > direction. He > asked how fast I thought I was going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. = > I got > you on Laser. I said I really don't think I was anywhere near 44MPH, he = > says, > "when you entered the turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have = > goosed > (SP) it because when I let off the trigger it read 44MPH." From = > what I > have found using Laser in a corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and = > given > that he would have had to hold the beam on me through the whole turn I = > can't > believe he wrote a ticket. He did have a big grin the whole time he was = > writing > the ticket from his Harley so some Anti-Sportbike bias may have been at = > play > too. Anyway, I have no speeding tickets on my record but one fender = > bender in > my cage in 2000 plus the move here to Arlington has already pushed my = > insurance > up to levels beyond sanity. If I get convicted of this ticket I may = > very well > have to sell the bike. I have heard Alexandria District Court is guilty = > until > proven innocent and when I called to inquire how discovery requests = > were > handled I got a chuckle followed by "you just show up and the = > Judge tells > you whether you are guilty or not and how much you have to pay". = > If anyone > can give me some advice or a name of someone I could talk too. = > Unfortunately > I'm strapped financially so I thought I would handle it myself but I'm = > starting > to worry.  Thanks = > Dan color=3Dblack> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>= >

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> > > > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F6A5.FD37AF2A-- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:39:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Leon Begeman > Subject: Re: Ticket Fight > To: dan carr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I'll bet the officer doesn't say anything close to > what you report. If he says you sped up from 25 to 44 > while in a turn, there should be some doubt as to > whether he kept the laser on your vehicle. Therefore, > he won't say that. > > Leon > - the guy doing 53 in a 65 so I don't get another > ticket. > > > --- dan carr wrote: >> he says, "when you entered the >> turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed >> (SP) it because when I let off the trigger it read >> 44MPH." From what I have found using Laser in a >> corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given >> that he would have had to hold the beam on me >> through the whole turn I can't believe he wrote a >> ticket. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] > From: "Perry Coleman" > To: djcarr1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ticket Fight > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:42:40 -0400 > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 15:42:40.0648 (UTC) > FILETIME=[FCA0B880:01C1F6A6] > > Dan, > > Here are some thoughts (I live in Maryland, so YMMV:) > > 1) Request a court date; > 2) Once you receive your court date, request a continuance; > 3) Show up on the date of the continuance dressed in a proper > fashion - business casual, at least. Show respect for the court. > 4) Hopefully, the cop won't be there on the continued date; > 5) If he isn't, plead not guilty - get off; > 6) If he is, plead guilty and request a probation before judgement, > based on your current record. > 7) Accept driving school, if that is offered - as it sometimes is for > "first offenders." > 8) Be prepared to pay the full fine, including court costs. > You really want to avoid the points, for insurance reasons. > 9) Remember that you can appeal a conviction, if you plead not guilty. > You'll want a lawyer for that, however. > > Good luck! > > Perry > >> From: dan carr >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Ticket Fight >> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:19:06 -0200 >> >> Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature of >> the discourse on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but given >> the impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General District >> Court (traffic) tomorrow. I can't afford pride. Basically I ran into a >> speed trap setup at the end of a tight S curve was going 25-30MPH and got >> waved over. I was next to another car going the same direction and several >> in the opposite direction. He asked how fast I thought I was going and I >> said 30 tops and he said 44. I got you on Laser. I said I really don't >> think I was anywhere near 44MPH, he says, "when you entered the turn the >> Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed (SP) it because when I let off >> the trigger it read 44MPH." From what I have found using Laser in a corner >> on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given that he would have had to hold >> the beam on me through the whole turn I can't believe he wrote a ticket. He >> did have a big grin the whole time he was writing the ticket from his >> Harley so some Anti-Sportbike bias may have been at play too. Anyway, I >> have no speeding tickets on my record but one fender bender in my cage in >> 2000 plus the move here to Arlington has already pushed my insurance up to >> levels beyond sanity. If I get convicted of this ticket I may very well >> have to sell the bike. I have heard Alexandria District Court is guilty >> until proven innocent and when I called to inquire how discovery requests >> were handled I got a chuckle followed by "you just show up and the Judge >> tells you whether you are guilty or not and how much you have to pay". If >> anyone can give me some advice or a name of someone I could talk too. >> Unfortunately I'm strapped financially so I thought I would handle it >> myself but I'm starting to worry. Thanks Dan > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:56:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: stephen cutchins > Subject: Re: Ticket Fight > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I had a similar thing happen to me, and I beat the > ticket in court. You are allowed to ask the officer > questions. When he is on the stand, ask him if it > seemed unusual that your speed jumped from 25 to 44 > instantly. Use specific words btw, like "instantly." > Ask him if it is feasible for a motorcycle, and he > knows since he rides one, to accelerate that quickly > around a curve without the rear wheel breaking loose > or the rider losing control. Then ask him if there is > a possibility that the laser could have picked up the > speed of the other vehicle at the last second. > > Get the officers opinions and then tell the judge that > what happened is that the laser picked you up at 25 > and then the other vehicle at 44. It would be > virtually impossible, unless you were a professional > roadracer on a racing motorcycle, to accelarate from > 25 to 44 in a turn that quickly without crashing. > > Once you put any doubt into the judges mind then you > will more than likely get out of the ticket. I did. > Mine was when I was riding with another guy, the cop > was going in the opposite direction, he radared me and > then the other bike going faster, he said I was going > much faster than I was. I think he got the other guy > twice, which I pointed out in court, and got out of > the ticket. > > --- dan carr wrote: >> Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given >> the acerbic nature of the discourse on the list I >> feel somewhat insane asking for help but given the >> impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria >> General District Court (traffic) tomorrow. I can't >> afford pride. Basically I ran into a speed trap >> setup at the end of a tight S curve was going >> 25-30MPH and got waved over. I was next to another >> car going the same direction and several in the >> opposite direction. He asked how fast I thought I >> was going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. I got >> you on Laser. I said I really don't think I was >> anywhere near 44MPH, he says, "when you entered the >> turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed >> (SP) it because when I let off the trigger it read >> 44MPH." From what I have found using Laser in a >> corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given >> that he would have had to hold the beam on me >> through the whole turn I can't believe he wrote a >> ticket. He did have a big grin the whole time he was >> writing the ticket from his Harley so some >> Anti-Sportbike bias may have been at play too. >> Anyway, I have no speeding tickets on my record but >> one fender bender in my cage in 2000 plus the move >> here to Arlington has already pushed my insurance up >> to levels beyond sanity. If I get convicted of this >> ticket I may very well have to sell the bike. I have >> heard Alexandria District Court is guilty until >> proven innocent and when I called to inquire how >> discovery requests were handled I got a chuckle >> followed by "you just show up and the Judge tells >> you whether you are guilty or not and how much you >> have to pay". If anyone can give me some advice or a >> name of someone I could talk too. Unfortunately I'm >> strapped financially so I thought I would handle it >> myself but I'm starting to worry. Thanks Dan >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:58:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: stephen cutchins > Subject: Re: truck and muscles > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Hi Laura, > > I live in Centreville and have a Dodge Dakota. When > do you need help? My wedding is in a month from today > (gasp!!) so things are a little hectic, but I'm sure I > can squeeze in some time to help. > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: >> This is definitely off-topic, so please forgive...I >> need someone with a truck or large SUV in the >> Centreville area to help me move two pieces of >> furniture. If anyone is willing and able, I will >> repay >> the favor!!!!! >> >> Laura >> >> >> ________________________________________________ >> PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >> http://www.peoplepc.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:08:28 -0400 > From: > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: > Subject: Re: Ticket Fight > > Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and given the acerbic nature > of = > the discourse on the list I feel somewhat insane asking for help but = > given the impending railroading I sense coming in Alexandria General = > District Court (traffic) tomorrow. I can't afford pride. Basically I > ran = > into a speed trap setup at the end of a tight S curve was going 25- > 30MPH = > and got waved over. I was next to another car going the same > direction = > and several in the opposite direction. He asked how fast I thought I > was = > going and I said 30 tops and he said 44. I got you on Laser. I said I > = > really don't think I was anywhere near 44MPH, he says, "when you > entered = > the turn the Laser read 25MPH but you must have goosed (SP) it > because = > when I let off the trigger it read 44MPH." From what I have found > using = > Laser in a corner on a motorcycle is iffy at best, and given that he = > would have had to hold the beam on me through the whole turn I can't = > believe he wrote a ticket. > > [Dave] Too bad your 'coming out' had to be under such > circumstances. Basically, on behalf of the list, I'd like to thank > you for taking part in the Alexandria Voluntary Road Tax Program for > us. It's citizens like you that prevent the rest of us from having > to pay :-) Does that Anger you? It should... If it doesn't, read > no further. > > If you're PO'd, or even slightly annoyed (even if it's only at my Mr. > Smarty pants tone), read on. > > Basically, you have 2 immediate 'Hail Mary' possibilities > 1: Verify officer that wrote the ticket is not present in court, > plead innocent, move that the case be dismissed. > 2: IF officer is present, request a continuance (insufficient chance > to obtain legal counsel usually works). > > If you proceed with the 'look professional, plead guilty etc...' > plan, bring some KY jelly with you, you'll need it. > > There's a *remote* possibility you could plead it down (with ONLY the > prosecutor) to a non moving violation by offering to pay double the > fine. I've used this before, but not in Alexandria... I wouldn't > try it if I were you, you're staring at 19 over, unlikely they'll > deal with YOU (a lawyer is another matter). > > I'd suggest you get a continuance at court. There's a chance a > conflict will arise preventing the officer from attending your trial > subsequently. It's HIGHLY unlikely that an uncontinued court case in > VA does not have the officer present, since you get the court date up > front. > > You need a lawyer, clean record or not. If you're convicted, even of > 9 mph over the limit reduced charge, you can expect higher insurance > rates for 3-5 years. You can request a lawyer handle the case as > they see fit, but basically, you should NOT accept a plea to a MOVING > VIOLATION. THAT is the operative phrase. Moving violations incur > insurance penalties, non moving violations do not. An inspection > violation is a non moving violation (generally). They only want your > money, if they're offered, say, $250 fine, for an inspection ticket > conviction, the city wins all around & you incur less expense than a > moving violation conviction. PLUS, you can say you have a clean > record except for that inspection ticket the next time you're pulled > over... EVERY cop always said to me 'that's not an issue, you're a > clean driver'... > >> From what you explained, the officer was pointing a laser gun at you > at a serious angle, which should render the evidence inadmissible, > because of the way laser ranges you. Again, a lawyer versed in > traffic law IN VIRGINIA is your best bet. Ditto discovery requests. > > You're unprepared, and your chances of winning in this condition are > NONE. If you get a continuance, and a lawyer, your chances are > pretty good of avoiding a moving violation. > > Please, do NOT go before the judge & plead guilty, or attempt to > fight unprepared. > If you're not already a member, go to www.motorists.org & join the > National Motorists Association. They have outstanding resources for > ticket fighting and a great traffic lawyer referral program. > > Good luck. Let us know the outcome. > > Dave > > > > -- > Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! > Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:24:55 -0400 > To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Larry Larson > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > > At 08:53 AM 5/8/2002, Brian Roach wrote: >> The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not just >> Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that doesn't >> have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where >> someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front door. > > There are, but not many. As to the "snotty", grow up and think, Roach. Most > of these neighborhoods (which are mostly townhouse developments) have > commonly-owned property -- roadways, parking area, walkways, walls, fences, > lighting -- which someone has to administer and maintain. Most have county > or city mandated functions, like snow removal and trash pickup, which have > to be provided. Who's going to do that if not a HOA? > >> The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the board >> of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they should >> really seek professional help. > > Juvenile bullshit. Most communities, like the 42-unit townhouse development > we live in, have a very hard time even filling the BOD positions, let alone > getting significant owner participation. Most people are too damn lazy to > care, > even when they're got a multi-hundred thousand dollar property at risk. Nobody > wants to do the work, whether it's the month-to-month admin, or the thankless > job of writing those reasonable or unreasonable architectural review policies. > > It's a lot like our pseudo-democratic government: everyone wants the benefits, > but no one wants to pay for them or do the work involved. I take this a bit > personally, because my SO is our HOA president this year, and I've just > completed six years on the board myself. It is not fun, it takes a lot of > time, > but someone's got to do it. > >> The only real fun thing about HOAs is explaining State and local laws to them >> when they threaten to do something illegal :) > > That is true. Also Federal, like the FCC regulation which prevents HOA > from restricting satellite dishes under three feet diameter except for safety > reasons. > > -- Larry > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:59:43 -0200 > From: dan carr > Subject: Re: Ticket Fight > To: DC-Cycles , sdave@XXXXXX > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: Ticket Fight > > [RichH] >> I might have asked a little while ago. > > [Dan] Your right. My only experience in court is mainly from the seven years > I lived in Boston where most of Judges go out of their way to make sure you > don't get screwed. You know, the fair and impartial thing. Its only as I > realized after talking to people in last few days and a Newsgroup search > this morning that this particular court and more specifically the Judges > there have a reputation for not being impartial or fair and showing up > expecting to have the case decided on it's merits is, in this area, foolish. > As for talking him down, as I understand it, insurance companies don't care > how fast or even how much $ in claims, it's done by # of tickets and # of > claims, so any moving violation conviction is going to spike my rates. > Thanks for the advice though > > > >> Too bad your 'coming out' had to be under such >> circumstances. Basically, on behalf of the list, I'd like to thank >> you for taking part in the Alexandria Voluntary Road Tax Program for >> us. It's citizens like you that prevent the rest of us from having >> to pay :-) > > [Dan] That's funny :-)...... wait no it's not.... > >> Does that Anger you? It should... If it doesn't, read >> no further. > >> If you're PO'd, or even slightly annoyed (even if it's only at my Mr. >> Smarty pants tone), read on. >> >> Basically, you have 2 immediate 'Hail Mary' possibilities >> 1: Verify officer that wrote the ticket is not present in court, >> plead innocent, move that the case be dismissed. >> 2: IF officer is present, request a continuance (insufficient chance >> to obtain legal counsel usually works). >> >> If you proceed with the 'look professional, plead guilty etc...' >> plan, bring some KY jelly with you, you'll need it. >> >> There's a *remote* possibility you could plead it down (with ONLY the >> prosecutor) to a non moving violation by offering to pay double the >> fine. I've used this before, but not in Alexandria... I wouldn't >> try it if I were you, you're staring at 19 over, unlikely they'll >> deal with YOU (a lawyer is another matter). >> >> I'd suggest you get a continuance at court. There's a chance a >> conflict will arise preventing the officer from attending your trial >> subsequently. It's HIGHLY unlikely that an uncontinued court case in >> VA does not have the officer present, since you get the court date up >> front. >> >> You need a lawyer, clean record or not. If you're convicted, even of >> 9 mph over the limit reduced charge, you can expect higher insurance >> rates for 3-5 years. You can request a lawyer handle the case as >> they see fit, but basically, you should NOT accept a plea to a MOVING >> VIOLATION. THAT is the operative phrase. Moving violations incur >> insurance penalties, non moving violations do not. An inspection >> violation is a non moving violation (generally). They only want your >> money, if they're offered, say, $250 fine, for an inspection ticket >> conviction, the city wins all around & you incur less expense than a >> moving violation conviction. PLUS, you can say you have a clean >> record except for that inspection ticket the next time you're pulled >> over... EVERY cop always said to me 'that's not an issue, you're a >> clean driver'... >> >> From what you explained, the officer was pointing a laser gun at you >> at a serious angle, which should render the evidence inadmissible, >> because of the way laser ranges you. Again, a lawyer versed in >> traffic law IN VIRGINIA is your best bet. Ditto discovery requests. >> >> You're unprepared, and your chances of winning in this condition are >> NONE. If you get a continuance, and a lawyer, your chances are >> pretty good of avoiding a moving violation. >> >> Please, do NOT go before the judge & plead guilty, or attempt to >> fight unprepared. >> If you're not already a member, go to www.motorists.org & join the >> National Motorists Association. They have outstanding resources for >> ticket fighting and a great traffic lawyer referral program. >> >> Good luck. Let us know the outcome. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> -- >> Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! >> Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > > Thanks Dave and all the others who took the time to reply. Hopefully with > some preparation and a little luck, I'll make out o.k. Dan > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 > X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ > Subject: RE: Re: Ticket Fight > Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:08:07 -0400 > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 17:08:07.0605 (UTC) > FILETIME=[EC884650:01C1F6B2] > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id > g48H8Fl29851 > >> If you proceed with the 'look professional, plead guilty etc...' >> plan, bring some KY jelly with you, you'll need it. > > First Gerald and now Dave. Please, this is a family list. I respectfully and > politely request that all this peverse sex talk be done in private. That goes > for you too, Huson. "Goat dicks" is not an appropriate topic in this forum. > I am apalled. You have no couth or sense of decorum. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Larry Larson" > Cc: "dc-cycles list" > Subject: OT: HOA governance, was Re: Maryland sucks. > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:10:44 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Larson" > > >> At 08:53 AM 5/8/2002, Brian Roach wrote: >>> The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria (not > just >>> Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that > doesn't >>> have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict where >>> someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their front > door. >> >> There are, but not many. As to the "snotty", grow up and think, Roach. > Most >> of these neighborhoods (which are mostly townhouse developments) have >> commonly-owned property -- roadways, parking area, walkways, walls, > fences, >> lighting -- which someone has to administer and maintain. Most have county >> or city mandated functions, like snow removal and trash pickup, which have >> to be provided. Who's going to do that if not a HOA? >> >>> The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on the > board >>> of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they > should >>> really seek professional help. >> >> Juvenile bullshit. ... > > This is my last post on the subject. All that stuff is what a properly > constituted and efficient city government should do, it seems to me, and > property owners should maintain things like fences on their property. > Governments generally provide basic services and butt out of those pressing > issues like finishes on light fixtures, paint colors and what kinds of > vehicles I can park. I live in an 1870s "townhouse development." All are > "common areas" are public streets and parks maintained by taxes. I can > shovel the snow and rake leaves in front of my own house. Seems to work > pretty well, as it has for decades. The iron fence along the sidewalk is > mine to maintain, even though it's technically on the public right of way. > The houses are similar, grouped in three or four types, but the individual > houses are by no means the same. All the little things done by owners over > the decades make them distinctive. In fact the variety is a selling point > to those who prefer not to live in an environment of suburban blandness > which so many HOA regs seem hell-bent on enforcing. Take a look at the > average home price in my neighborhood if you think all that individual > expression (read Victorian charm) has hurt property values. Hint: you'll > be hard pressed to find anything for less than $600K unless it's a real > fixer upper. The latter is what we bought, otherwise we'd be priced out of > the market. > > We have no HOA fees to pay either, just property tax (relatively low for > this area, BTW) and we have to expend a little effort in self-policing from > time to time. The HOA phenomenon (esp. with respect to attached dwellings) > is part of an increasingly shrinking public realm and decline in our civic > life it seems to me. Those of us who value sound urbanism and robust cities > find the trend a little disturbing, to say the least. Not intended as a > flame, just a different perspective, but I guess I have passionate views on > the subject. :-) > > > Paul in DC > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: RichH@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: For Sale section on the webpage > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:56:50 -0400 > > > Would it be possible to have a "for sale" section on the webpage? > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:56:15 -0400 > From: > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: > Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. > > > At 08:53 AM 5/8/2002, Brian Roach wrote: >> The problem with that logic is... there IS no place in Alexandria > (not just >> Old Town) where you can buy a home built in the last 10 years that > doesn't >> have some snotty Homer Owner's Association. So now you restrict > where >> someone can live if they don't want to ask before painting their > front door. > > There are, but not many. As to the "snotty", grow up and think, > Roach. Most of these neighborhoods (which are mostly townhouse > developments) have commonly-owned property -- roadways, parking area, > walkways, walls, fences, lighting -- which someone has to administer > and maintain. Most have county or city mandated functions, like snow > removal and trash pickup, which have to be provided. Who's going to > do that if not a HOA? > > [Dave] I think Roach's point above was that they're proliferating > like weeds, and essentially HOA-ing those of us that just want to be > left alone and not have to pay for the privilege of living in the > house we've already paid for... Some of the common HOA rules > are 'quality of life' issues, and they can easily perpetuate... It's > amazing how much less tolerant a neighbor is when they're a scant 10 > feet away from you instead of, say 40 feet away... > > >> The second problem is that most of the people who bother to be on > the board >> of HOAs are the ones with no lives and serious issues for which they > should >> really seek professional help. > > Juvenile bullshit. Most communities, like the 42-unit townhouse > development we live in, have a very hard time even filling the BOD > positions, let alone getting significant owner participation. > > [Dave] Your assertion is a certainly valid discussion point, but > for the reference to the steaming pile of boving fecal matter > deposited by a young male bovine. Quite a few HOA's won't let you > serve until you've lived there a certain amount of time, some > have 'waiting lists' and the like. My experience was similar to > yours, Larry. In fact, my former HOA went inactive - no elected > members and thus nobody to control the money... I had an interesting > discussion with the guy that bought my old place about it. It > basically came down to My old HOA needed about $3000 / year to meet > it's bills, equating to about $35.00 year per townhouse. The dues > were $150 / year. Not a lot by any stretch, but nobody was able to > assert with any financial backing the need to charge more than $40 or > $45 / year... I know of people that paid that much per > month ! > ... > It's a lot like our pseudo-democratic government: everyone wants the > benefits, but no one wants to pay for them or do the work involved. I > take this a bit personally, because my SO is our HOA president this > year, and I've just completed six years on the board myself. It is > not fun, it takes a lot of time, but someone's got to do it. > > [Dave] My old TH bylaws, amendments & covenants was about 70 pages. > about 25% of them were inexplicable. some, were obtuse. Eventually, > I raised the question 'why not rewrite these out of the bylaws, > there's no valid reason to keep them?' Howls of 'we can't do that!' > Eventually, we got some new blood, I raised the same question, and > they finally got rid of them ! > > There's no reason to keep and enforce the bylaws for the sake of > enforcing them, if they're no longer useful or applicable. But, > that's typically what happens... > > Dave > > > -- > Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! > Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Weaver > Subject: Re: For Sale section on the webpage > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Yes and no. Yes, it's possible, but I ain't gonna do > it. It would take too much maintenance time (any is > too much) if it was static info, too much development > time (any is too much) if it's dynamic. > > If someone else wants to write the code, more power to > 'em, but I think it's more useful to just post "for > sale" items here on the list anyway. That's one of the > things it's for. (Not that anyone actually uses the > list for what it's meant for, however) > > Chris Weaver > > > --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> Would it be possible to have a "for sale" section on >> the webpage? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:13:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Trey Herb > Subject: Re: For Sale section on the webpage/HOA > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: >> (Not that anyone actually uses the >> list for what it's meant for, however) > > And exactly what color is your house. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:25:33 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Aki Damme > Subject: FS: 2001 Stock Dyna Wide Glide Seat > > > fyi.. > > FS: Stock 2001 FXDWG (Dyna Wide Glide) seat. Excellent condition. I > bought a Corbin so I don't use it. > > Make an offer. > > cheers, > -aki > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing > -bs > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:29:33 -0400 (EDT) > From: Dave Paper > X-X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: FS: '98 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 > > > Posting for a friend who was lucky enough to pick up a new 2001 Vulcan > 1500 classic (he no longer envies mine :-) > > -- > 1998 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 A > 1500 CC, 8200 Miles, Black with Red trim. > Aftermarket Cobra pipes, windshield, lightbar, crashbar, cruising pegs. > New tires put on last fall, in excellent condition, asking $5000, neg. > Please send email to firebird@XXXXXX > -- > > I've ridden this bike and can vouch for its condition. > > Thanks, > > -dave > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:30:27 -0400 > From: > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: > Subject: RE: Re: Ticket Fight > > Chuck 'Mind in the gutter' Pena puritanically put forth - > >> If you proceed with the 'look professional, plead guilty etc...' >> plan, bring some KY jelly with you, you'll need it. > > First Gerald and now Dave. Please, this is a family list. I > respectfully and politely request that all this peverse sex talk be > done in private. > > [Dave] WTF??? are you spewing ? perverse sex talk? What? he'll > need the KY to grease the wheels of gubmint, Chuck ! Whaddayamean.... > EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW !!!!!!!!! > > > That goes for you too, Huson. "Goat dicks" is not > an appropriate topic in this forum. I am apalled. You have no couth > or sense of decorum. > > [Dave] Ok. Let me get this straight Chuck actually said in a > public email "You have no couth or sense of decorum." .... > I haven't laughed so much since the 1st time I saw Sam Kinison ! > You missed your True Calling Chuck ! > > Dave > > > > -- > Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! > Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: motorcycle@XXXXXX > To: Chris Weaver > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: For Sale section on the webpage > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:40:03 -0400 > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id > g48IY5l01571 > > A guest book type of feature will work. > > simply fill in the blank and the page is updated. > > no maintence required. > > instead of callig it a guest book. call it a classifieds page. i've > seen a couple of them. > > > Danny > > On Wed, 8 May 2002 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > |>Yes and no. Yes, it's possible, but I ain't gonna do > |>it. It would take too much maintenance time (any is > |>too much) if it was static info, too much development > |>time (any is too much) if it's dynamic. > |> > |>If someone else wants to write the code, more power to > |>'em, but I think it's more useful to just post "for > |>sale" items here on the list anyway. That's one of the > |>things it's for. (Not that anyone actually uses the > |>list for what it's meant for, however) > |> > |>Chris Weaver > |> > |> > |>--- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > |>> > |>> Would it be possible to have a "for sale" section on > |>> the webpage? > |> > |> > |>__________________________________________________ > |>Do You Yahoo!? > |>Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > |>http://health.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > To: Tom Fitzpatrick > Cc: ricardo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: BB Leathers, Back Protectors and Knee Pucks > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:45:00 -0400 > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id > g48Id6l01680 > > and let's not forget.. most of the time, if you have an incident in > which you need them, the insurance company will pay you for your > riding gear. Just be sure to keep your receipts... so basicly, it's > only expensive if you don't ever fall off the bike.. If you do fall > off the bike, you get reimbursed for your gear. Spend money, wear > leathers.. or don't wear leathers, get skinned up, feel tons of pain, > and face tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills. Your choice, > have fun! I'm wearing gear. > > Danny > > On Tue, 7 May 2002 20:39:43 -0400, you wrote: > > |>A well crafted, properly fitting set of leathers can make all the > |>difference in losing battles with gravity and friction. This is not like > |>the Busa or GSXR1000 as starter bike thread. In protective equipment, > |>you should start out with the best you can get. In my experience, > |>Barnacle Bill makes the best buy in new, custom fit, high end quality, > |>mid-range priced leathers. Each suit is made to your specifications. > |>And although you won't get a suit like this for $500, you will get a > |>great value, and it will cost hundreds less than comparable suits > |>elsewhere. > |> > |>I highly recommend that you contact Bill and run your requirements by > |>him. He can be reached by email at barnacle@XXXXXX , or through his > |>web site at www.racingleather.com > |> > |>Responding to demand, Bill just added his own BB back protectors and knee > |>puck sliders to his line. He also does repairs, tailoring (taking in, > |>letting out), cleaning, lettering and installing aero humps on existing > |>suits, regardless of brand. > |> > |>Bill is a great guy, and if you talk to him about your needs, you will > |>have made a great friend, whether you buy a suit from him or not. > |> > |>Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: > |>*Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 > |>(www.fastlanecycles.com) > |>*Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX > |>(www.racingleather.com) > |>*N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX > |>(www.nbracesites.com) > |>*Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 > |>mike.watt@XXXXXX > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "DC-Cycles" > Subject: Re: Ticket Fight > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:44:17 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > So, the Alex. PD moto squad is out doing revenue enhancement again, eh? I > see them a lot in Del Ray and on the residential streets in the wedge > between King St. and Duke St. The 25 mph "S" curves on Janney's Lane seem > to be a favorite hunting ground. I'm usually vigilant in the that area and > when I spot them I give 'em the grin and the "better luck next time" wave. > > Paul in DC > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Gary Foreman" > To: > Subject: FYI: Bike lift on sale at Sears > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:58:40 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1F6A0.D720B610 > > Item# 50190 in a catalog I just got. Regular $119 on sale for $89. > > http://www.sears.com/data/product_images/tools/large/00950190000-dlv.jpg > > Gary Foreman > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1F6A0.D720B610 > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1F6A0.D720B610-- > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:37:02 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: Ticket Fight > > > > cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > >> That goes for you too, Huson. "Goat dicks" is not an appropriate topic in >> this forum. I am apalled. You have no couth or sense of decorum. >> > > Thanks, Chuck! I'm happy to see that my true potential for diving into the > slimy gutter of rancid sex-talk etc etc has finally been recognized. > > Bill > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:32:08 -0400 > To: > From: Troutman > Subject: Re: FYI: Bike lift on sale at Sears > > At 02:58 PM 5/8/2002, Gary Foreman wrote: >> Item# 50190 in a catalog I just got. Regular $119 on sale for $89. >> >> htt >> p://www.sears.com/data/product_images/tools/large/00950190000-dlv.jpg > > I have a regular 6k lb car lift. Any reason it wouldn't work on a bike, or > has anyone tried? Seems like it would be easy to make a modification to > the lifting assembly. I haven't really needed mine for lifting the bike > yet, with the center stand in place. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:35:35 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Cap Heights > > There was a tiny blurb in the Metro section today about 2 people shot and > killed by a motorcyclist in Capital Heights. Didn't say if it was this week > or earlier. Any info? Angry lister? > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49879-2002May7.html > > and while searching, I found this Dr.G article from 5-5. Hehe. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33373-2002May4.html > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: , "Troutman" > Subject: Re: Cap Heights > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:56:34 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Troutman" > > >> There was a tiny blurb in the Metro section today about 2 people shot and >> killed by a motorcyclist in Capital Heights. Didn't say if it was this > week >> or earlier. Any info? Angry lister? >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49879-2002May7.html >> >> and while searching, I found this Dr.G article from 5-5. Hehe. >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33373-2002May4.html >> > Item 1: No, it wasn't me, and make that Columbia Heights, Warder St. NW, as > in DC, not Capitol Heights, Md. > > Item 2: The mommy van rant is a good one, no? Anyone who calls Dr. G a > "nut" gets a gold star next to his/her name in my book. ;-) If you can him > a whiny nut who writes an insipid, artless, boring column, even better. > > Paul in DC > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:00:04 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Re: Cap Heights (Md. Sucks) > > Damn, guess that was my subliminal addition to the Maryland Sucks thread ;-) > > At 04:56 PM 5/8/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >> Item 1: No, it wasn't me, and make that Columbia Heights, Warder St. NW, as >> in DC, not Capitol Heights, Md. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" > From: "Michael Jordan" > To: > Subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:49:25 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > >> At least they're not advocating synthetic oil or the superiority of >> the Glock 9mm. ... > > Oddly enough, using synthetic oil in your Glock... > > Michael J. ;-) > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:04:06 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Daniel H. Brown" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children > > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Michael Jordan wrote: >> >>> At least they're not advocating synthetic oil or the superiority of >>> the Glock 9mm. ... >> >> Oddly enough, using synthetic oil in your Glock... >> > > what about using your glock in synthetic oil? Is that allowed in MD? > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > > Hoa's are nothing more than the modern reiteration of the the old Communist block committees in the former Soviet State. They even go so far as to make certain that all the houses are the same color. Check out Ashburn, Va. if you like tan, lumpy vinyl siding--like the dull grey apartment blocks in Moscow. Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 21:28:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g491Spl08641 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175cjb-0002MK-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:28:43 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020508213011.229a0d28@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:30:22 -0400 To: "Paul Wilson" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: HOA governance, was Re: Maryland sucks. Cc: "dc-cycles list" In-Reply-To: <013301c1f6b3$4bff83a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508121054.00c0bbf0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:10 PM 5/8/2002, Paul wrote: This is my last post on the subject. All that stuff is what a properly constituted and efficient city government should do, it seems to me, and property owners should maintain things like fences on their property. Governments generally provide basic services and butt out of those pressing issues like finishes on light fixtures, paint colors and what kinds of vehicles I can park. I live in an 1870s "townhouse development." All are "common areas" are public streets and parks maintained by taxes. I can shovel the snow and rake leaves in front of my own house. Seems to work pretty well, as it has for decades. The iron fence along the sidewalk is mine to maintain, even though it's technically on the public right of way. .... We have no HOA fees to pay either, just property tax (relatively low for this area, BTW) and we have to expend a little effort in self-policing from time to time. The HOA phenomenon (esp. with respect to attached dwellings) is part of an increasingly shrinking public realm and decline in our civic life it seems to me. Those of us who value sound urbanism and robust cities find the trend a little disturbing, to say the least. Your situation sounds nearly ideal. It's quite different from Old Town Alexandria, for example, where the city trades off with developers to avoid those city- provided service expenses in exchange for permits to build. For example, our 14 year old townhouses right behind the PBS building by Braddock Road metro were developed on condition that we provide our own trash pickup, snow removal for our "private" streets (drives between townhouse rows), maintain our own sidewalks and lamp posts, etc. Public easements like required sidewalks don't relieve property owners of the obligation to maintain both those sidewalks and the strip of land between the sidewalk and the street. The under-construction base 500K+ townhouses a block away on route 1 have all the obligations we have, plus mandated garages, accompanied by the stipulation that residents there will *never* be eligible for Alexandria street parking permits. Nobody likes it, but once you're involved, you have to deal with it as best you can. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 21:38:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g491cgl08777 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-209.244.215.58.dial1.washington2.level3.net ([209.244.215.58] helo=ix.netcom.com) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175csz-00046f-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 21:38:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD9CE7C.2030008@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:18:52 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night reminder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Bike Night web page http://www.geocities.com/bikenight has been updated. Don't forget June 2nd at CarPool and June 25th at Grevey's. Lisa Goddard is still working on getting a date for Uncle Jed's in July. Please spread the word to non-DC-Cycles riders and other m/c lists. Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 21:40:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g491eSl08809 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-28.patriot.net [209.249.180.28]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g491eEh29884; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:40:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD9D4E1.5CBDF774@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:46:09 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: OT: HOA governance, was Re: Maryland sucks. References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508121054.00c0bbf0@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508213011.229a0d28@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > Your situation sounds nearly ideal. It's quite different from Old Town > Alexandria, > for example, where the city trades off with developers to avoid those city- > provided service expenses in exchange for permits to build. > > For example, our 14 year old townhouses right behind the PBS building by > Braddock Road metro were developed on condition that we provide our own > trash pickup, snow removal for our "private" streets (drives between townhouse > rows), maintain our own sidewalks and lamp posts, etc. > > Public easements like required sidewalks don't relieve property owners of > the obligation to maintain both those sidewalks and the strip of land > between the sidewalk and the street. > > The under-construction base 500K+ townhouses a block away on route 1 > have all the obligations we have, plus mandated garages, accompanied by > the stipulation that residents there will *never* be eligible for Alexandria > street parking permits. > > Nobody likes it, but once you're involved, you have to deal with it as best > you can. > > -- Larry $500K+ for a townhouse, formerly known as a rowhouse. Jeezz Leweezz, that's crazy. Even nuttier when your 500K buys you a heap of anal laws and restrictions. Y'all can have your yuppie city life. House up the block just sold for $385K - 1/2 acre of real lawn, roughly 2600 sq feet of living area, two car garage with snazzy appointments such as cabinets that are nicer than the one's in my kitchen. No covenents. I don't even lock my cars at night. Not only that the collection of nisghbors can actually fix things other than quiche and shooters! Bill - dialing in from lil' redneck village... From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 21:43:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g491h0l08883 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bjarney (4J32I.cm.gscyclone.com [24.206.12.171]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA23508 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:42:58 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020508215628.045dfefc@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:56:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: OT: HOA governance, was Re: Maryland sucks. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:30 PM 5/8/02 -0400, you wrote: [...] >Nobody likes it, but once you're involved, you have to deal with it as best >you can. > >-- Larry And as someone else mentioned, you know what you're dealing with before you sign on the dotted line (if you can read :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 21:44:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g491iRl08903 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175cyn-0007NO-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:44:25 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020508214322.00c798a0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:46:04 -0400 To: "Gavin Ruddy" , From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Ticket Fight In-Reply-To: <007a01c1f6f0$4feb7720$56309d40@s0023675517> References: <200205082300.g48N05q06248@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:27 PM 5/8/2002, Gavin Ruddy wrote: >Another thing to consider is how wide the beam is on the laser. I used to >use the LTI 20-20, I don't think Fairfax uses them, but I used some of the >very first models. The beam was over 3 feet wide at 1000 feet. If he hit >you head on it's very hard to get a good reading on a motorcycle because the >beam has to bounce off the front and be sent back to the unit. The Park Police have their portable display unit set up on the GW Parkway northbound just below National Airport. I went through it yesterday and today, both days at 58-60 mph and running in the clear on the 919, and both days it flashed 41/40 mph readings. Don't think my speedo's that far off... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 21:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g491n0l08997 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-12.s1028.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.12] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175d3D-0007cm-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 21:48:59 -0400 From: Mwalker3@XXXXXX To: Mwalker3@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mark Walker is Out of the Office Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g491n1l08998 There is a solution to every problem. |>I will be out of the office starting 05/03/2002 and will not return until |>05/07/2002. |> |>I will reply to your message following my return. If the matter is urgent, |>please contact either Richard Mance (tel: (1)(202) 458-1525), or Judith |>Ramsay-Williams (tel: (1)(202) 458-5979), who will be able to assist you. |> |>Thank you. |> From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 21:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g491u3l09111 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g491ttI05005; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:55:56 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maryland sucks. Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:55:54 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508121054.00c0bbf0@mail.9netave.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020508121054.00c0bbf0@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02050821555403.17620@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 08 May 2002 12:24, Larry Larson wrote: > There are, but not many. As to the "snotty", grow up and think, Roach. > Most of these neighborhoods (which are mostly townhouse developments) have > commonly-owned property -- roadways, parking area, walkways, walls, fences, > lighting -- which someone has to administer and maintain. Most have county > or city mandated functions, like snow removal and trash pickup, which have > to be provided. Who's going to do that if not a HOA? Oh, I dunno... how about the city of alexandria or fairfax county, to whom I was paying $4200 a year in propery tax? They seem to do a fine job in all the neighborhoods that aren't under HOAs. Beyond that... ok, fine... give me an HOA that's only interested in practical matters, such as grounds maintenance contracts and trash/snow removal. For $80 a month per home, I'd have gladly purchased a riding mower and cut the grass in the common areas, as well as patched up the sidewalks with some sealer every spring :) > Juvenile bullshit. Most communities, like the 42-unit townhouse development > we live in, have a very hard time even filling the BOD positions, let alone > getting significant owner participation. Most people are too damn lazy to > care, Come visit my old neighborhood sometime, and see the "Screen door approval commitee", the list of "Approved lawn adornments", and the "flag pole length regulations" just to name a few gems that were added in the first year I was living there. > That is true. Also Federal, like the FCC regulation which prevents HOA > from restricting satellite dishes under three feet diameter except for > safety reasons. Or that little law that covers trespassing. They stuck a note on my door once saying they were going to remove something from my property (a garbage tote, parked against my garage door...). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 22:12:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g492CHl09429 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.27.27302bb7 (3851) for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:11:31 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <27.27302bb7.2a0b34d3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:11:31 EDT Subject: Re: Ticket Fight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/8/2002 8:27:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gavinman@XXXXXX writes: > nother thing to consider is how wide the beam is on the laser. I used to > use the LTI 20-20, I don't think Fairfax uses them, but I used some of the > very first models. The beam was over 3 feet wide at 1000 feet. How the hell can a light spread out to 3 feet at 1000ft. and still be called a laser? That is bullshit, a laser can go to the moon and back without spreading that far. By the way as I understand it running your headlight is one of the most effective ways of screwing up laser, may not be true but the article that stated it seemed to get most of the physics right. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 22:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g492K3l09589 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175dX6-0000i2-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 19:19:52 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020508220215.00c72cd8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:21:30 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: HOA governance, was Re: Maryland sucks. Cc: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <3CD9D4E1.5CBDF774@patriot.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508121054.00c0bbf0@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508213011.229a0d28@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:46 PM 5/8/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >$500K+ for a townhouse, formerly known as a rowhouse. Jeezz Leweezz, that's >crazy. Even nuttier when your 500K buys you a heap of anal laws and >restrictions. Y'all can have your yuppie city life. We've got $2,000,000 townhouses in Old Town. Two megabucks! But why do all city folk have to be classified as yuppies, any more than all rural folks are survivalists? I lived for many years up past Germantown, MD (sucks) in Hyattstown, and did the daily commute to McLean, the Pentagon, Reston. Much as I loved coming down the Macarthur Blvd. twisties above the Old Angler's Inn every day, I'd never go back to that commute again. Now I live in Alexandria, 100 yards from a metro stop, and have a short moto or two-stop metro commute to Crystal City. The only real downside is the long trek to even get to decent riding country. Life is compromise. >.... Not only that the collection of nisghbors can actually fix things other >than quiche and shooters! > >Bill - dialing in from lil' redneck village... Why, we were actually bubbaqueing dry-rubbed ribs outside tonight in Alexandria. Bill, anyone who can spell "quiche" correctly isn't completely innocent. I suspect you're hiding a highly yuppified past... and wouldn't you expect "shooters" in a "lil' redneck village"? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 23:06:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4936wl10284 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-28.patriot.net [209.249.180.28]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4936uh16610; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:06:56 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD9E933.295780C7@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:12:52 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket Fight References: <27.27302bb7.2a0b34d3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > How the hell can a light spread out to 3 feet at 1000ft. and still be called > a laser? > That is bullshit, a laser can go to the moon and back without spreading that > far. Methinks the laser is just columated light which lacks the amplification of a precious gemstone lens like a ruby. A real laser packs power. Laser pens and other consumer lasers are wimpy imitations. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed May 8 23:25:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g493PFl10508 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-28.patriot.net [209.249.180.28]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g493PDh20230; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:25:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD9ED7C.94D01AC7@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:31:09 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: OT: HOA governance, was Re: Maryland sucks. References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508121054.00c0bbf0@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508213011.229a0d28@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508220215.00c72cd8@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > We've got $2,000,000 townhouses in Old Town. Two megabucks! But > why do all city folk have to be classified as yuppies, any more than > all rural folks are survivalists? No, but the city folks who relish HOAs and dote on the preservation of a *style* are either yuppified or just plain sanctimonious. This does not include an actual custom designed home influenced by a style (Paul, help me out here), like my pad that I sketched on a shopping bag... I lived for many years up past Germantown, MD (sucks) in Hyattstown, > and did the daily commute to McLean, the Pentagon, Reston. Much as > I loved coming down the Macarthur Blvd. twisties above the Old Angler's > Inn every day, I'd never go back to that commute again. Now I live in > Alexandria, 100 yards from a metro stop, and have a short moto or > two-stop metro commute to Crystal City. The only real downside is the > long trek to even get to decent riding country. One flight of stairs to my home office, 10 miles to crystal city for occasional research, which is the longest commute I've had in the last 30 years. Use to be two blocks, then two miles. > Bill, anyone who can spell "quiche" correctly isn't completely innocent. I > suspect you're hiding a highly yuppified past... and wouldn't you expect > "shooters" in a "lil' redneck village"? HAHAHAHAHA... Never a yuppie - not a redneck either. Mathmeticians are hard to classify, we're just too damn wierd. Don't do shooters, I think you actually have to mix something. Much easier to drink booze straight from the jug. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 00:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g494Fel11322 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-12.s1028.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.12] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175fL9-0001MV-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 May 2002 00:15:39 -0400 From: motorcycle@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: COLUMBIA Heights Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 00:21:45 -0400 Message-ID: <75tjdu81172quqte7hjkuh8hn3b3neof6k@4ax.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508163059.023ac808@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508163059.023ac808@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g494Fil11323 That says columbia heights. N.W. not capital heights MD.. Sunday.. probably may 5th. "3 shootings in a week". With the latest rash of bike thefts, and some talk of bike jackings.. Some riders are armed. There are stories floating around that the sportbike jackings have started up again this year. I heard of a story where a guy was bike jacked around eastern avenue or benning road... supposedly of a 02 R1. Of course the guy whom i heard that story from is weird and will say anothing stupid bike related. I draw these possibilities from the newspaper story: 1. it could be non bike related except gunman was a rider. 2. it could be a bike jacker/violent criminal commiting another violent crime. 3. could be a bike jacking/killing of an owner and helpful bystander 4. it could be a rider killing 2 bike jackers 5. could be a rider shooting vehicle occupants over a traffic dispute with bike jackings, it's all the more reason for me to filter to the front.. I can make the right hand turn and keep moving.. I may have the option of pulling off.. and i can be less likely to have a bike jacker in front of or beside me. Sittin in traffic sux and makes you a sitting duck for bike jackers. Danny 01 zx6r On Wed, 08 May 2002 16:35:35 -0400, you wrote: |>There was a tiny blurb in the Metro section today about 2 people shot and |>killed by a motorcyclist in Capital Heights. Didn't say if it was this week |>or earlier. Any info? Angry lister? |> |>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49879-2002May7.html |> |>and while searching, I found this Dr.G article from 5-5. Hehe. |> |>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33373-2002May4.html |> |> |>___________________________________________ |> Mike Troutman |> http://www.troutman.org/vfr |> |> 1997 Honda VFR 750 |> AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA |> From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 00:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from host.vantixweb.com (host.vantixweb.com [209.239.56.119]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g494sUl11832 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PSIHOULAP002 (ACA1184A.ipt.aol.com [172.161.24.74]) by host.vantixweb.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g494sTt18039 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:54:29 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: FW: COLUMBIA Heights Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 01:02:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c1f71f$0cf9d130$4a18a1ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal >>There are stories floating around that the sportbike jackings have >>started up again this year Bike jackings always get going around this time of year, and Warder Street is not really Columbia Heights, in my opinion; it's more like Petworth. Realtors love to expand the high-rent district... 13th and R now counts as DuPont Circle. I lived right off Warder for about 6 years and can tell you that springtime brings all the freaks out around there. DC Police have a new program where you get a special sticker for the bike. It's really designed for a car but you can contact-paper it to the forks. It instructs cops to stop the vehicle if it is being driven between 2 am-5 am, since that is when most vehicle thefts happen. If you do not normally drive during those hours you might want to get one; it will make the bike a LOT less attractive to a potential theif or jacker. And making the bad guys not want the bike helps keep you and the bike safe. The stickers are free, just go into the police station and ask for one. The guys at 4D said they've given about 35 to bikers since they started this campaign. Once the nice weather is over and things settle down just peel off the contact paper and the sticker. And since this topic will probably make a lot of people think it sucks to live in DC (Dodge City some weekends!), I just want to share: one block to Rock Creek Parkway, 12 minutes to work, $8 cab ride home from any bar or club in town, Ethiopian restaurants 5 minutes away, original mahogany floors (house built in 1917) and high ceilings, $5K tax credit for first time home buyers, No HOA (almost forgot that!)... and the people across the street are selling their almost identical house for almost twice what I paid 14 months ago. MD sucks. DC rocks. Cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 06:21:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49ALYl17029 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bjarney (4J32I.cm.gscyclone.com [24.206.12.171]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA01374 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:21:30 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020509063504.03a82c04@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 06:35:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:02 AM 5/9/02 -0500, you wrote: >And since this topic will probably make a lot of people think it sucks to >live in DC (Dodge City some weekends!), I just want to share: one block to >Rock Creek Parkway, 12 minutes to work, $8 cab ride home from any bar or >club in town, Ethiopian restaurants 5 minutes away, original mahogany floors >(house built in 1917) and high ceilings, $5K tax credit for first time home >buyers, No HOA (almost forgot that!)... and the people across the street are >selling their almost identical house for almost twice what I paid 14 months >ago. MD sucks. DC rocks. Ah, c'mon. I live on a golf course, the house I live in just appraised for $225k more than I paid for it 4 yrs ago, I'm 10 minutes from a 1/4 mile drag strip, 40 mins from Summit Point, 10 minutes from my local 'autox lot' and nearly every road around me is twisty. Now what sucks? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 08:28:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49CSVl18906 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.3a.26836840 (3866) for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3a.26836840.2a0bc552@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:28:02 EDT Subject: Re: Ticket Fight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/8/2002 11:06:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > A real laser packs power. Laser pens and > other consumer lasers are wimpy imitations. I have a laser pointer, and have bounced it off of things a lot farther away then 1000ft. and the beam was one hell of a lot smaller then 3ft. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 08:39:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Cdel19087 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:39:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb20R2S2fitP0MWPplsZTK3DAeqddxUwoIZ1mIDXuEA7Ggj4EBiX2rkHvVWcDWh2Dw= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175nCu-00050t-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 May 2002 08:39:40 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 05/08/02 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:39:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: hey, Bob, thanks for the restatement of the days posts! > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob McKeithen [mailto:bmckeithen@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:45 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/08/02 > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 09:25:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49DPsl19814 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509132549.43947.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 06:25:49 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 06:25:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020509063504.03a82c04@noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > At 01:02 AM 5/9/02 -0500, you wrote: > >And since this topic will probably make a lot of people > think it sucks to > >live in DC (Dodge City some weekends!), I just want to > share: one block to > >Rock Creek Parkway, 12 minutes to work, $8 cab ride home > from any bar or > >club in town, Ethiopian restaurants 5 minutes away, > original mahogany floors > >(house built in 1917) and high ceilings, $5K tax credit > for first time home > >buyers, No HOA (almost forgot that!)... and the people > across the street are > >selling their almost identical house for almost twice > what I paid 14 months > >ago. MD sucks. DC rocks. > > Ah, c'mon. > > I live on a golf course, the house I live in just > appraised for $225k more > than I paid for it 4 yrs ago, I'm 10 minutes from a 1/4 > mile drag strip, 40 > mins from Summit Point, 10 minutes from my local 'autox > lot' and nearly > every road around me is twisty. > > Now what sucks? :-) this thread. and contrary to what their respective [biased] citizens would have us believe, all three jurisdictions -- md., va., and dc -- suck balls!... each in their own _special_ ways, of course... now west virginia on the other hand.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 09:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13802.mail.yahoo.com (web13802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49DUfl19988 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509133041.55153.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 06:30:41 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 06:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020509063504.03a82c04@noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gotta go with Patti here! 3 minute ride to work I can walk to all those clubs I can sit on my stoop at 5PM and watch 100s of beautiful women walk by (nice guys too if that floats you). Ethnic diversity Rooftop deck No strip malls No Kohls or Target within the city limits Walk to Fresh Fields Yes, if I stay in DC I am thinking about SELLING MY CAGE!!! --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > At 01:02 AM 5/9/02 -0500, you wrote: > >And since this topic will probably make a lot of > people think it sucks to > >live in DC (Dodge City some weekends!), I just want > to share: one block to > >Rock Creek Parkway, 12 minutes to work, $8 cab ride > home from any bar or > >club in town, Ethiopian restaurants 5 minutes away, > original mahogany floors > >(house built in 1917) and high ceilings, $5K tax > credit for first time home > >buyers, No HOA (almost forgot that!)... and the > people across the street are > >selling their almost identical house for almost > twice what I paid 14 months > >ago. MD sucks. DC rocks. > > Ah, c'mon. > > I live on a golf course, the house I live in just > appraised for $225k more > than I paid for it 4 yrs ago, I'm 10 minutes from a > 1/4 mile drag strip, 40 > mins from Summit Point, 10 minutes from my local > 'autox lot' and nearly > every road around me is twisty. > > Now what sucks? :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 09:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ncifcrf.gov (mail.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.100.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Dd6l20180 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitko10.ncifcrf.gov ([129.43.47.227]) by mail.ncifcrf.gov (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49Dd5N01492 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509091755.02920040@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:41:21 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: Bikers Barley and Hops gathering, Frederick In-Reply-To: <200205081756.g48HuFc14518@atlanta.pop3now.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hey all Just wanted to extend the invite to anyone who is interested in making the trek to Frederick for our monthly Biker Barley and Hops gathering in Frederick. It started with a few local members of the Iron Butt Association but has grown into quite a diverse crowd of riders. Okay, gang, it's time for anothe BBHG! Let's shoot for next Thursday May 16. Barley & Hops MicroBrew Restaurant Thursday, May 16, 6pm until.... Route 355, Frederick, MD (in same strip shopping center as Home Depot, across from Francis Scott Key Mall) Pass the word along to any interested friends, post the info to mailing lists you like, drag along some fun people, make it a crowd. See y'all next week... From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 09:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h017.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49Deql20193 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 102 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 06:40:44 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.170 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.181) with SMTP; 9 May 2002 06:40:44 -0700 X-Sent: 9 May 2002 13:40:44 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 06:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: What sucks? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 06:40:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020509064044.19332.h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Tom Gimer wrote >> > Now what sucks? :-) > > this thread. > I have to agree...and they say *I* post too many off-topic threads...LOL! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 09:41:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Df3l20203 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g49Deve22368; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:40:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:40:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200205091340.g49Deve22368@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: COLUMBIA Heights Danny dutifully reminded us - Sunday.. probably may 5th. "3 shootings in a week"... With the latest rash of bike thefts, and some talk of bike jackings.. Some riders are armed. ... with bike jackings, it's all the more reason for me to filter to the front.. I can make the right hand turn and keep moving.. I may have the option of pulling off.. and i can be less likely to have a bike jacker in front of or beside me. Sittin in traffic sux and makes you a sitting duck for bike jackers. [Dave] The key is to have saved yourself 'room to move out' in traffic. You don't necessarily want the 'pole position' if the perpendicular traffic is too heavy to use as an escape. If you leave too much room, some idiot cager will take it, but on a bike you don't need as much room, but a car length while riding (sitting in traffic) is enough to launch away from a bike jacking. I just covered this type of move in a class I took 3 weeks ago (it was cage centric though). Patti put forth - Bike jackings always get going around this time of year... [Dave] I heard on the news last night that PG was really hard hit on car jackings lately. Where are the bike jackings happening ? DC Police have a new program where you get a special sticker for the bike. It's really designed for a car but you can contact-paper it to the forks. ... [Dave] just don't rely on it as your only line of defense, because it's nothing a 4" strip of duct tape won't take care of ... I just want to share: one block to Rock Creek Parkway, 12 minutes to work, $8 cab ride home from any bar or club in town, Ethiopian restaurants 5 minutes away, original mahogany floors (house built in 1917) and high ceilings, $5K tax credit for first time home buyers, No HOA (almost forgot that!)... and the people across the street are selling their almost identical house for almost twice what I paid 14 months ago. MD sucks. DC rocks. [Dave] just don't ever have a heart attack, IIRC DC emergency services response time is either the lowest(among cities) in the US or very close, twenty odd minutes or something... I think DC heart attack victims were 90% more likely to not make it than their suburban counterparts... yeah. DC rocks alright. Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 10:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.mailstart.com (mail.mailstart.com [207.231.76.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49E6Dl20737 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muave [207.231.76.117] by mail.mailstart.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A24BB3C30082; Thu, 09 May 2002 07:06:03 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: From: "mprodgers" Subject: RE: bike jackings Message-Id: <090502129.25563@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:06:14 -0700 >>[Dave] I heard on the news last night that PG was really hard hit on car jackings lately. Where are the bike jackings happening? Within the city, there have been several bikejackings over the years near or on the stretch of Irving St. NW as it goes past Washington Hospital Center. When I say "several" it's still pretty infrequent; I think there have been 4 bikejackings in that neighborhood over the last 5 or 6 years. Still way less than carjackings but worth paying attention to. There are no city-wide statistics that I know of but I'll see if I can get some. The best I can find so far are by police district. I know there was a bikejacking on New York Ave near Bladensburg Road about 3 years ago where the rider was shot (not killed), and I know of another that was on K Street underneath the Whitehurst Freeway. -patti From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 10:16:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49EGdl20941 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g49EGawL024595 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:16:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g49EGaT3029007 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:16:36 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:16:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Kill a biker, lose yer license. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sort of. Maybe. http://www.americanmotor.com/news.cfm?newsid=1975 Fish. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 10:23:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49ENnl21057 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175opg-0007Ws-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 07:23:48 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020509102520.00c7ed98@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:25:27 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) In-Reply-To: <20020509132549.43947.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.32.20020509063504.03a82c04@noid.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:25 AM 5/9/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: and contrary to what their respective [biased] citizens would have us believe, all three jurisdictions -- md., va., and dc -- suck balls!... each in their own _special_ ways, of course... Agreed. now west virginia on the other hand.... ...is for the Byrds. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 10:26:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49EQal21070 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-107-150.s1420.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.107.150] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175osM-0000dT-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:26:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c1f765$d5a06220$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "dc-cycles list" References: <20020509133041.55153.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:22:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Gotta go with Patti here! > > 3 minute ride to work > I can walk to all those clubs > I can sit on my stoop at 5PM and watch 100s of > beautiful women walk by (nice guys too if that floats > you). > Ethnic diversity > Rooftop deck > No strip malls > No Kohls or Target within the city limits > Walk to Fresh Fields > > Yes, if I stay in DC I am thinking about SELLING MY > CAGE!!! I hear you about the cage. I don't drive it for weeks at a time. If I were single the cage would be history, but my wife feels she needs a car at her disposal. Big box retail is coming though. We are getting a K-Mart (if it survives bankruptcy) and a Home Despot on Brentwood Rd. I haven't really missed going to the late Hechinger's in 'Hood on Benning Road for lumber and whatnot and probably won't patronize the HD too much. I can still get 95% of my home improvement materials (except massive quantities of drywall and lumber) at the Mom and Pop hardware 7 blocks away and simply sign for it on account. They'll deliver things free of charge that are too large to carry or strap to the bike(s). Actually a beater truck or van would probably be more use to me than a car. But YMMV. That's why we should have diversity in terms of living arrangements and human environments. One size does not fit all. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 10:28:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49ESpl21266 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175ouT-0005qB-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 07:28:45 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020509102624.00c738a8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:30:24 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: HOA governance, was Re: Maryland sucks. Cc: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <3CD9ED7C.94D01AC7@patriot.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@mail.9netave.com> <000201c1f620$6cc1a160$b381c0cf@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020507223657.00c0e750@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508121054.00c0bbf0@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508213011.229a0d28@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020508220215.00c72cd8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:31 PM 5/8/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > ... and wouldn't you expect > > "shooters" in a "lil' redneck village"? > >HAHAHAHAHA... Never a yuppie - not a redneck either. Mathmeticians are >hard to >classify, we're just too damn wierd. Don't do shooters, I think you >actually have >to mix something. Much easier to drink booze straight from the jug. I was thinking more of the louder, bang-bang type of shooters. But then I have a couple of math degrees too, and none in communications. 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 10:55:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11102.mail.yahoo.com (web11102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49EtAl21737 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509145506.14167.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.116.158.40] by web11102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 07:55:06 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulrich Boser Reply-To: ulrich@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, I sold my bike last night. So the motorcycle days are over at least until after the wedding. Very sad. But it needed to be done. My thanks to all the people on this list-serv - like Matt Patton, who I never met in person. And of course Garcia - a great mechanic (and philosopher). And, please unsubscribe. Thanks! Ulrich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 11:00:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49F0vl21900 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g49F0pw23671; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:00:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:00:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200205091500.g49F0pw23671@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Kill a biker, lose yer license. Fish Found - http://www.americanmotor.com/news.cfm?newsid=1975 :-| [Dave] I should be at least somewhat happy about this, but try as I might, I just can't get excited about the prospect of some BDC planting one of us, but only POSSIBLY losing their license for a while and paying a fine. What a steaming pile of $hit. If that biker had been shot, stabbed, hammered, or beaten to death, by 'accident' or 'negligence' the offender would be doing a long stretch in the joint. Cagers are idiots and inconsiderate because they know they can get away with crap like this and get a slap on the wrist. So they ride around, cell phone in one hand, cigarette & coffee in the other hand, totally unconcerned about the carnage they may inflict. Penalties for firearm usage should apply to cage abuse. We need the 'car' equivalent to 'project exile' - Tough federal, mandatory sentences for BDC's that kill or injure others through stupidity. People will start driving a lot more politely when inflicting whiplash carries a minimum 2 year sentence... Ok, so that may be a bit extreme, but the point is that drivers just don't give a $hit enough to pay attention. Cops don't give a $hit enough to enforce common sense car control on idiots because they're so G*d damned obsessed with getting all those speeding convictions. Well, at least it's a step in the right direction... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 11:05:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49F5hl22006 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GVU00A01N8RSR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:05:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp06.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.89]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GVU00A02N8RSL@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:05:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp06.wcomnet.com by dgismtp06.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GVU00B01N84BB@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:05:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.193]) by dgismtp06.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVU00AEEN8DME@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:05:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:04:22 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: giving rides to terminally ill children To: "Daniel H. Brown" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CDA8FF6.2EE26126@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > what about using your glock in synthetic oil? Is that allowed in MD? I'd suggest getting the special firing pin adaptors that let the Glock fire underwater (seriously!) if you are going to use the Glock in oil. I imagine it would fire just fine submerged in oil. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 11:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49FJRl22286 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23628 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 08:19:21 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.170 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 9 May 2002 08:19:21 -0700 X-Sent: 9 May 2002 15:19:21 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ulrich@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020509081921.20093.h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> sorry to hear about that...I sold mine last week, so no more moto for me...but DC Cycles is stuck with me! :) BTW, you have to unsubscribe on the actual site. LAG > > Hello, > > I sold my bike last night. So the motorcycle days are > over at least until after the wedding. Very sad. But > it needed to be done. My thanks to all the people on > this list-serv - like Matt Patton, who I never met in > person. And of course Garcia - a great mechanic (and > philosopher). And, please unsubscribe. > > Thanks! > > Ulrich > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > http://shopping.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 11:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49FZIl22658 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w079 ([168.144.108.79]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 9 May 2002 11:35:11 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:35:11 -0400 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 15:35:11.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B5DFEE0:01C1F76F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g49FZKl22659 Because I can't resist and I can't believe TG gave me an opening big enough to drive a Mack truck through ... What sucks? Why Tom, you do. But the real question is whether you swallow??? %^) Original Message: > Now what sucks? :-) this thread. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 11:48:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49FmRl22904 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509154825.7120.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 08:48:25 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Because I can't resist and I can't believe TG gave me an > opening big enough to drive a Mack truck through ... > > What sucks? > > Why Tom, you do. But the real question is whether you > swallow??? %^) taken from the cato.org website: "We reject the bashing of gays, Japan, rich people, and immigrants that contemporary liberals and conservatives seem to think addresses society's problems." i for one am offended by the current bashing; and from a cato employee no less! i'm debating whether or not to report it to the organization's officials. -- tg cc: daniel p. murphy, esq. > Original Message: > > > Now what sucks? :-) > > this thread. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 11:50:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Fool22982 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w085.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.85]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 9 May 2002 11:50:49 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:50:49 -0400 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 15:50:49.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A75E510:01C1F771] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g49Fool22983 Have your lawyer call my lawyer. cc: Johnny Cochran Original Message: ----------------- i for one am offended by the current bashing; and from a cato employee no less! i'm debating whether or not to report it to the organization's officials. -- tg cc: daniel p. murphy, esq. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 11:52:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49Fqpl23002 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509155250.71127.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 08:52:50 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii my team will be in touch shortly. -- tg cc: jackie childs daniel p. murphy --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Have your lawyer call my lawyer. > > cc: Johnny Cochran > > Original Message: > ----------------- > > i for one am offended by the current bashing; and from a > cato employee no less! i'm debating whether or not to > report it to the organization's officials. > > -- > tg > > cc: daniel p. murphy, esq. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 11:58:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f193.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.193]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Fwfl23124 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:58:31 -0700 Received: from 63.251.87.214 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:58:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:58:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 15:58:31.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E0FA2E0:01C1F772] Gee, Tom, it doesn't look like he's bashing any of those groups - just you. >From: Tom Gimer >To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > >Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT) > >--- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" >wrote: > > Because I can't resist and I can't believe TG gave me an > > opening big enough to drive a Mack truck through ... > > > > What sucks? > > > > Why Tom, you do. But the real question is whether you > > swallow??? %^) > > > >taken from the cato.org website: > >"We reject the bashing of gays, Japan, rich people, and >immigrants that contemporary liberals and conservatives >seem to think addresses society's problems." > >i for one am offended by the current bashing; and from a >cato employee no less! i'm debating whether or not to >report it to the organization's officials. > >-- >tg > >cc: daniel p. murphy, esq. > > > > Original Message: > > > > > Now what sucks? :-) > > > > this thread. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! >http://shopping.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 12:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49G1Rl23212 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g49G1LD18343; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:01:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:01:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200205091601.g49G1LD18343@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Not another Chuck & Tom type-fest... Don't you guys have anything better to do? DO you ever ride, or do you just sit at the tube hurling these pathetic mails back & forth? You guys make Squeakers look like a charm school graduate. Hopefully, you'll both be contacted by the DCC list lawyer, Dick E. Anker esq. Let's move on. Dave Have your lawyer call my lawyer. cc: Johnny Cochran Original Message: ----------------- i for one am offended by the current bashing; and from a cato employee no less! i'm debating whether or not to -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 12:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49G2Al23223 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:02:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) (CA TO) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:02:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What, no mention of the CATO guy article in the Post today? From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Because I can't resist and I can't believe TG gave me an > opening big enough to drive a Mack truck through ... > > What sucks? > > Why Tom, you do. But the real question is whether you > swallow??? %^) taken from the cato.org website: "We reject the bashing of gays, Japan, rich people, and immigrants that contemporary liberals and conservatives seem to think addresses society's problems." i for one am offended by the current bashing; and from a cato employee no less! i'm debating whether or not to report it to the organization's officials. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 12:11:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49GBgl23411 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w048 ([168.144.108.48]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 9 May 2002 12:11:42 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:12:21 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 16:11:42.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[35330E50:01C1F774] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g49GBll23412 Note to Tom: Perhaps we should consider joining forces to gang up and bash Dave??? Original Message: ----------------- Hopefully, you'll both be contacted by the DCC list lawyer, Dick E. Anker esq. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 12:50:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Gowl24079 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-41-214.s468.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.214] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175r85-0003ky-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 12:50:57 -0400 From: motorcycle@XXXXXX To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: COLUMBIA Heights Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 12:57:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200205091340.g49Deve22368@atlanta.pop3now.com> In-Reply-To: <200205091340.g49Deve22368@atlanta.pop3now.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g49Gp1l24080 |>[Dave] I heard on the news last night that PG was really hard hit on |>car jackings lately. Where are the bike jackings happening ? 1. howard university mcdonalds (once) 2. anacostia mobil gas station on penn ave (a few times) (note same perp from locations 1&2 is now serving 42 years in dc jail) 3. branch avenue traffic lights 4. exxon gas station at NY ave and bladensburg Rd. 5. Laurel MD resteraunt where a police officer exchanged gunfire with the off duty baltimore officer who's bike they tried to steal, suspects got away. 6. an attempt at anacostia park there are a few other places I can't remember but basicly anywhere in the DC area your bike is susceptible to get stolen or robbed from you.. so keep your eyes open.It can happen at any time of day or night. Sportbike riders beware. It's not any specific area.. basicly it's whever certain indivduals are willing to roam, looking for a bike. also I heard some bike thieves stole a bike from a local resteraunt in front of a lot of people within the past weekend. Supposedly they picked a bike up, carried it, bumped into the back of another truck, dropped it, picked it back up and carried it to a van on the corner, Put it in a van and rolled out... supposedly a lot of stolen sportbikes are showing up in forestville MD, accordng to a PG county officer friend of mine, but that was back when the perpetrator of robberies listed 1 & 2 lived there. As I understand it, Police plan to publicize all car jackings in the hopes that the public will see the vehicle and call the police for an apprehension. Danny |>[Dave] just don't rely on it as your only line of defense, because |>it's nothing a 4" strip of duct tape won't take care of ... I'm going to install an alarm that will shut the bike off at the push of a button... as well as serve normal alarm features. That way I can hand over teh bike, hit the button and hope they tail slide while lane splitting, hit cars and get all hurt.. so I can run over there, retrieve their weapon and hurt them some more, if anyone jacks me. After I install my alarm, i'm going to start installing bike alarms as a business. There are a lot of unprotected bikes out there. So if anyone wants an alarm installed. let me know. Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 12:54:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Gscl24099 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-41-214.s468.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.214] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175rBd-0004Us-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 May 2002 12:54:38 -0400 From: motorcycle@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:00:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3.0.32.20020509063504.03a82c04@noid.org> <20020509132549.43947.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020509132549.43947.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g49Gsdl24100 |>and contrary to what their respective [biased] citizens |>would have us believe, all three jurisdictions -- md., va., |>and dc -- suck balls!... each in their own _special_ ways, |>of course... |> |>now west virginia on the other hand.... West Virginia.. where there is no shortage on the dating population... you can find a date right in your very own household. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 12:58:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Gwfl24196 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-41-214.s468.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.214] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175rFY-0005PN-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 12:58:41 -0400 From: motorcycle@XXXXXX To: "mprodgers" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: bike jackings Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:04:52 -0400 Message-ID: References: <090502129.25563@webbox.com> In-Reply-To: <090502129.25563@webbox.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g49Gwgl24197 |>There are no city-wide statistics that I know of but I'll see |>if I can get some. The best I can find so far are by police district. |>I know there was a bikejacking on New York Ave near Bladensburg |>Road about 3 years ago where the rider was shot (not killed), |>and I know of another that was on K Street underneath the Whitehurst |>Freeway. 3 years ago.. at the exon gas station parking lot at blad. and NY ave, if it was the bike jacking where I was present, the rider was not shot. I have not heard of a bike jacking victim ever being shot, or even a gun fired, except in laurel when bike jackers attempted to jack an off duty baltimore police officer. Of course that doesnt' mean it didn't happen, it either means the story was embelished or I'm not aware of that case. I haven't heard of the K street incident. Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:05:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14004.mail.yahoo.com (web14004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49H5Yl24369 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509170533.21578.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:05:33 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:05:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) To: DCCycles In-Reply-To: <20020509133041.55153.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, here's my take on it. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Gotta go with Patti here! I think I'm going to agree with Gimer. > > 3 minute ride to work it's only an hours motorcycle ride to work - although when the weather is nice, there's a route past Bull Run Mountain that takes about 2 hours. > I can walk to all those clubs Why would anyone want drunks within walking distance of home? > I can sit on my stoop at 5PM and watch 100s of > beautiful women walk by (nice guys too if that > floats > you). If people can walk by that close, the front yard is way too small. (mine is too small, nearly a dozen people an hour walk by) > Ethnic diversity yes, we have that problem, too. > Rooftop deck Deck goes out the sliding glass doors in the family room and down to the pool in the backyard. > No strip malls Is this a plus or a minus? > No Kohls or Target within the city limits No city limits here, although I suspect Target and Kohls is about the same distance for both of us. > Walk to Fresh Fields You've got me there, most of the farmland was removed to put up houses. Nearest fields are almost as far away as the strip mall. > Yes, if I stay in DC I am thinking about SELLING MY > CAGE!!! I just parked mine in the driveway 3 years ago and turned the plates in. Someday I'll be old and decrepit enough to need one again and I'll move it into the garage and start restoring it. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:05:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49H5ul24389 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:05:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYoTbhw6+L38lO+uoYiGnNB1NYvZ08N8jm69RZc8OX67Nr6tmvGPFa8nsSgd0JS/C0= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175rMZ-0000VO-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 May 2002 13:05:55 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: DC Metro & burbs suck, WV rocks. Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:05:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: > |>now west virginia on the other hand.... > > West Virginia.. where there is no shortage on the dating population... > you can find a date right in your very own household. d00d, it's not like we, you know, go to WV to troll for chicks. They're all, like, toothless and stuff. It's all about the most excellent mountains...way cool. Catch a tasty asphalt wave, and you know, just ride it. gnarly. --jon 01 s00z00k Bandito Grande From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:09:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49H9Nl24455 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509170922.3786.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:09:22 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:09:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) To: Perry Coleman , cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Gee, Tom, it doesn't look like he's bashing any of those > groups - just you. a. he called me a cocksucker. arguably, that could place me within one of the groups cato has singled out.... b. this may be one of those rare occasions where chuck and i are kidding with one another.... > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > > > >Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was > COLUMBIA Heights) > >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT) > > > >--- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > >wrote: > > > Because I can't resist and I can't believe TG gave me > an > > > opening big enough to drive a Mack truck through ... > > > > > > What sucks? > > > > > > Why Tom, you do. But the real question is whether > you > > > swallow??? %^) > > > > > > > >taken from the cato.org website: > > > >"We reject the bashing of gays, Japan, rich people, and > >immigrants that contemporary liberals and conservatives > >seem to think addresses society's problems." > > > >i for one am offended by the current bashing; and from a > >cato employee no less! i'm debating whether or not to > >report it to the organization's officials. > > > >-- > >tg > > > >cc: daniel p. murphy, esq. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:13:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49HD3l24568 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509171258.29337.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:12:58 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:12:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200205091601.g49G1LD18343@atlanta.pop3now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Not another Chuck & Tom type-fest... Don't you guys > have anything > better to do? DO you ever ride, or do you just sit at > the tube > hurling these pathetic mails back & forth? > > You guys make Squeakers look like a charm school > graduate. i can't believe The Complainers finally got their hooks into [djy] and made him a member. to answer your questions, however.... i ride on the weekends and, like most everyone here, hurl pathetic mails back and forth during work hours. > Have your lawyer call my lawyer. > > cc: Johnny Cochran > > Original Message: > ----------------- > > i for one am offended by the current bashing; and from a > cato employee no less! i'm debating whether or not to __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com (web13808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49HFPl24662 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509171524.44888.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:15:24 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) To: Tom Gimer , Perry Coleman , cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020509170922.3786.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Honestly, do you all have jobs? Don't you feel at all guilty that someone is paying you to write this bullshit drivel back and forth. I love you guys, Chuck especially, but the list has spiralled down to the a level that makes me want to simply unsub. due to these posts. Yes, you have the right to act like children on the list, but does it add anything to the exchange of valuable motorcycle information? Does anyone agree? Mark --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Perry Coleman wrote: > > Gee, Tom, it doesn't look like he's bashing any of > those > > groups - just you. > > a. he called me a cocksucker. arguably, that could > place > me within one of the groups cato has singled out.... > > b. this may be one of those rare occasions where > chuck and > i are kidding with one another.... > > > > > > >From: Tom Gimer > > >To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > > > > > >Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) > (was > > COLUMBIA Heights) > > >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >--- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > > > >wrote: > > > > Because I can't resist and I can't believe TG > gave me > > an > > > > opening big enough to drive a Mack truck > through ... > > > > > > > > What sucks? > > > > > > > > Why Tom, you do. But the real question is > whether > > you > > > > swallow??? %^) > > > > > > > > > > > >taken from the cato.org website: > > > > > >"We reject the bashing of gays, Japan, rich > people, and > > >immigrants that contemporary liberals and > conservatives > > >seem to think addresses society's problems." > > > > > >i for one am offended by the current bashing; and > from a > > >cato employee no less! i'm debating whether or > not to > > >report it to the organization's officials. > > > > > >-- > > >tg > > > > > >cc: daniel p. murphy, esq. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > http://shopping.yahoo.com ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:15:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49HFxl24682 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w046 ([168.144.108.46]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 9 May 2002 13:15:58 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:15:58 -0400 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 17:15:58.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F88C630:01C1F77D] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g49HG0l24683 For the record, I am offended, shocked, and apalled at the use of such language. Original Message: ----------------- a. he called me a cocksucker. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:21:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49HL6l24842 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w091.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.91]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 9 May 2002 13:21:06 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:21:06 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 17:21:06.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7123F70:01C1F77D] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g49HL8l24843 Note to Tom: Add Kitchell to the hit list. Note to Kitchell: Don't you realize that you're dealing with children. And if you ask us to stop, exactly the opposite will happen. In fact, it will just get worse. And discussing the relative merits of urban vs. suburan living is somehow more noble and worthwhile? And throwing in some gratuitious remark about riding your motorcyle doesn't make it relevant. And don't you have anything better to do while you're at work than to complain about what you're reading on the list??? I have a good mind to tell your employer that you're goofing off on company time, buck-o! Original Message: ----------------- Honestly, do you all have jobs? Don't you feel at all guilty that someone is paying you to write this bullshit drivel back and forth. I love you guys, Chuck especially, but the list has spiralled down to the a level that makes me want to simply unsub. due to these posts. Yes, you have the right to act like children on the list, but does it add anything to the exchange of valuable motorcycle information? Does anyone agree? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:23:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14003.mail.yahoo.com (web14003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49HNrl24890 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509172352.69160.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:23:52 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Kill a biker, lose yer license. To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It appears to make killing a biker as serious as driving off without paying for a gallon of gas. Leon. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Sort of. Maybe. > > http://www.americanmotor.com/news.cfm?newsid=1975 > > Fish. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:27:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49HRpl25011 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g49HRi207776 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:27:45 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509132154.023141b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:27:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) In-Reply-To: <20020509171524.44888.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020509170922.3786.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:15 PM 5/9/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Does anyone agree? At this point, the whining posts outnumber the "offensive" posts. I have gone from a Gimer complainer to a true believer. Lawyers can be funny, not just funny looking. Law school teaches them the art of playing straight man, even when they don't intend to. Mark - if you don't like the subject matter, hit delete or set up a filter. Or complain to The Man directly to step in. He owns and runs the list, and frankly, he is the only one anyone listens to when it comes to list content. To me, its all a part of the community now. On topic, off topic, whatever. Its better than the dead air we had a few months ago. I try to add a bit of moto content to every OT post and reply. At least a little. OBMOTO: I didn't ride today. My tires needed air last night, and I didn't feel like breaking out the compressor from the basement depths. My chain is a bit lax too. No time for shade-tree monkey wrenching tonight. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:31:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49HVvl25128 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509173156.83456.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:31:56 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509132154.023141b0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am not suggesting they get censored or anything like that. I just think the posts make the posters appear ego-challenged. i know the delete key, its what i use for 90% of dc cycles posts. --- Troutman wrote: > At 01:15 PM 5/9/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Does anyone agree? > > At this point, the whining posts outnumber the > "offensive" posts. > > I have gone from a Gimer complainer to a true > believer. Lawyers can be > funny, not just funny looking. Law school teaches > them the art of playing > straight man, even when they don't intend to. > > Mark - if you don't like the subject matter, hit > delete or set up a > filter. Or complain to The Man directly to step in. > He owns and runs the > list, and frankly, he is the only one anyone listens > to when it comes to > list content. To me, its all a part of the > community now. On topic, off > topic, whatever. Its better than the dead air we > had a few months ago. > > I try to add a bit of moto content to every OT post > and reply. At least a > little. > > OBMOTO: I didn't ride today. My tires needed air > last night, and I didn't > feel like breaking out the compressor from the > basement depths. My chain > is a bit lax too. No time for shade-tree monkey > wrenching tonight. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:49:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Hngl25446 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:49:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: (was COLUMBIA Heights)(urban vs suburban) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:49:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No, especially since we had the same discussion within the last half year. From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] And discussing the relative merits of urban vs. suburan living is somehow more noble and worthwhile? From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Hoil25523 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g49Hob207864 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:50:37 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509134943.02307008@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:50:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Drive safe today - hail? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Papa needs some new siding ... bring it on baby. By Christina Pino-Marina washingtonpost.com Staff Writer Thursday, May 9, 2002; 8:45 AM Afternoon thunderstorms could bring strong winds and damaging hail to the Washington area later today, according to the National Weather Service. Meteorologist Jim DeCarufel says warm humid air in place today is expected to clash with a cold front moving in from the Ohio Valley, creating unstable air masses and potentially severe weather. "There is potential for some significant thunderstorms this afternoon, though it is difficult to say exactly when they will hit," DeCarufel said. DeCarufel said some of the conditions present this morning are similar to those that resulted in the tornado that touched down in La Plata on April 28, killing five people and injuring about 100. Last Thursday, a tornado watch went into effect in the Washington area after weather conditions became more severe than expected. There were no tornadoes reported that day, but thunderstorms, hail and fallen trees snarled the afternoon commute and prompted the cancellation of school activities. There is no tornado watch in effect today, DeCarufel said. This morning's partly cloudy skies are expected to clear temporarily before the rain moves in. Temperatures will remain in mid-70s and the chance of rain is 70 percent. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:56:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Htxl25667 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:56:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thursday night bike night at barnes and noble Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:56:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Will people still be "hanging out" if it rains? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hutchins [mailto:phutchins2@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 10:06 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble It's been the regular "hang-out" for a few locals for about a year and a half. Over time, a bunch of morons (i.e., folks from PG county, DC, Northern VA) starting showing up on Thursday nights. Now it's pretty much a big pain in the ass. Montgomery's finest is on "high alert" every Thursday because of the riff raff that's been coming in. It's disappointing, because Thursday was our regular "stupid shit" night... Stay home! Go away! Leave us alone! YMMV, etc.,etc. :-P From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 13:56:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f51.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Huhl25713 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:55:37 -0700 Received: from 206.11.149.33 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 17:55:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:55:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 17:55:37.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9973C30:01C1F782] I'm with you, I hated Gimer at first (before I met him), now I think he's hilarious and I get a total kick out of him! :-) And he's decidedly NOT funny looking, either! ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 (21 days 'till cast comes off - WOOOOOOOOOO!) >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) >Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:27:37 -0400 > >At 01:15 PM 5/9/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >>Does anyone agree? > >I have gone from a Gimer complainer to a true believer. Lawyers can be >funny, not just funny looking. Law school teaches them the art of playing >straight man, even when they don't intend to. > >> >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 14:14:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49IEtl26088 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g49IEn308981; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:14:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:14:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200205091814.g49IEn308981@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Drive safe today - hail? Mike tempts fate with - Papa needs some new siding ... bring it on baby. Afternoon thunderstorms could bring strong winds and damaging hail to the Washington area later today, according to the National Weather Service. Meteorologist Jim DeCarufel says warm humid air in place today is expected ... [Dave] Isn't 'Meteorologist' Yiddish for 'Con man' ? I certainly looks bogus today, but who knows... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 14:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49Igcl26664 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509184237.85869.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 11:42:37 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:42:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) To: Mark Kitchell , Perry Coleman , cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020509171524.44888.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Honestly, do you all have jobs? Don't you feel at all > guilty that someone is paying you to write this > bullshit drivel back and forth. i'm proud to say that i didn't bill a SINGLE MINUTE of my time during the last pathetic exchange (or this one for that matter). does that make the drivel any more acceptable? perhaps not. but i certainly don't feel guilty about it. how about you, chuck??? :) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 14:56:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Iual26899 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w033 ([168.144.108.33]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 9 May 2002 14:56:35 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:56:35 -0400 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 18:56:35.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E21EC90:01C1F78B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g49Iwll26900 If my wife can't make me feel guilty about not paying attention to my beautiful 2-year old daughter, what makes you think Kitchell's pathetic little diatribe will have any effect whatsoever??? Original Message: ----------------- does that make the drivel any more acceptable? perhaps not. but i certainly don't feel guilty about it. how about you, chuck??? :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 14:59:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49IxVl26974 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:59:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYxDicWNtvfyP+xPvy69VtuBVjjPBT1AvuVNwFDb49Em+1H6K+OXRLqN4kBzTAu8NQ= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175t8V-0007lJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 May 2002 14:59:31 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Gimer Fan Club (was RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights)) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:59:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Jeannette, Since you're president of the Gimer Fan Club, can you tell me where to send my application? I'd like the lifetime membership, please. Make my check out to.....??? What's that? Chuck Pena, Treasurer? --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:gingerdc9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:56 PM > To: mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) > > > I'm with you, I hated Gimer at first (before I met him), now I think he's > hilarious and I get a total kick out of him! :-) > > And he's decidedly NOT funny looking, either! ;-) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 (21 days 'till > cast comes > off - WOOOOOOOOOO!) From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 15:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f107.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.107]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49J5Pl27183 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:05:19 -0700 Received: from 134.113.4.201 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 19:05:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.201] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thursday night bike night at barnes and noble Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:05:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 19:05:19.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[7610A910:01C1F78C] Maybe one or two. There's only a few who ride despite the threat of crappy weather, and I'm not going... I'm sure a bunch will be at Hooter's just up the pike (in their cages)... -snip- >From: RichH@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Thursday night bike night at barnes and noble >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:56:09 -0400 > >Will people still be "hanging out" if it rains? > > -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Hutchins [mailto:phutchins2@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 10:06 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: THursday night bike night at barnes and noble > >It's been the regular "hang-out" for a few locals for about a year and a >half. Over time, a bunch of morons (i.e., folks from PG county, DC, >Northern VA) starting showing up on Thursday nights. Now it's pretty much >a > >big pain in the ass. Montgomery's finest is on "high alert" every Thursday >because of the riff raff that's been coming in. It's disappointing, >because > >Thursday was our regular "stupid shit" night... > >Stay home! Go away! Leave us alone! YMMV, etc.,etc. :-P > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 15:06:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f225.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49J6Zl27194 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:06:25 -0700 Received: from 206.11.149.33 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 19:06:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gimer Fan Club (was RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights)) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:06:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 19:06:25.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D9256A0:01C1F78C] All checks may be made out to me. I'll make sure Gimer gets them. ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "Jon Strang" >Reply-To: >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: Gimer Fan Club (was RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was >COLUMBIA Heights)) >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:59:21 -0400 > >Jeannette, > >Since you're president of the Gimer Fan Club, can you tell me where to send >my application? >I'd like the lifetime membership, please. Make my check out to.....??? > >What's that? Chuck Pena, Treasurer? > >--jon > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 15:07:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49J7Ql27204 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from M2W075 ([168.144.108.75]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 9 May 2002 15:07:22 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Gimer Fan Club (was RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights)) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:07:22 -0400 To: "jmstrang@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 19:07:23.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFFD3890:01C1F78C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g49J9Xl27205 Yes, make the check out to me. Bank or cashiers check. No personal checks. Money order is also OK. Minimum of 4 figures (before the decimal point) for membership. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- Since you're president of the Gimer Fan Club, can you tell me where to send my application? I'd like the lifetime membership, please. Make my check out to.....??? What's that? Chuck Pena, Treasurer? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 15:11:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49JBVl27283 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-103-209.s463.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.103.209] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175tK6-0005as-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:11:30 -0400 Message-ID: <006d01c1f78d$895ff060$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: '01 Bike sales in the UK, 100% moto content! Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:11:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Forwarded from the HSTA list. > > From the Howcum We Never See Info Like This in U.S. Moto - mags File: > > BIKE magazine: the best-selling motorcycles in jolly old England for > 2001. > 1) 3877 Honda CBR600 > > 2) 2458 Kawasaki ZX-6R > > 3) 2423 Suzuki GSXR-600 > > 4) 2376 Honda CBR900RR > > 5) 2267 Yamaha FSZ600 Fazer > > 6) 2164 Yamaha YZF-R1 > > 7) 2148 Yamaha YZF - R6 > > 8) 1638 Suzuki GSX-R1000 > > 9) 1552 Honda VFR800 > > 10) 1387 Suzuki SV650S > > 11) 1330 Honda CBR1100XX > > 12) 1197 Suzuki Bandit 600F (the naked one) > > 13) 1186 Suzuki Bandit 600S > > 14) 1072 Triumph Bonneville > > 15) 1067 Aprilia RSV Mille > > 16) 1034 Honda CB600F Hornet > > 17) 1003 Gilera SP180 (a trick looking scooter) > > 18) 969 Kawasaki ZX-9R > > 19) 945 Piaggio PX200 (a Vespa/Lambretta retro scooter) > > 20) 916 Honda Deauville (Hawk GT motor w/fairing and hard > > bags) > > 21) 897 Honda VTR100F (SuperHawk) > > 22) 851 Suzuki GSX1300R (Hayabusa) > > 23) 822 BMW R1150GS > > 24) 786 Yamaha FZS1000 (FZ-1) > > 25) 782 Honda VTR1000 SP-1 (RC-51) > > 26) 757 Yamaha XJR1300SP (naked retro standard) > > 27) 710 Kawasaki ZX-12R > > 28) 605 Yamaha FJR1300 > > 29) 603 Yamaha Thundercat (YZF 600) > > 30) 597 Suzuki GSF1200K1 (naked Bandit) > > 31) 591 Suzuki Bandit 1200 > > 32) 591 Triumph TT600 > > 33) 585 Triumph Sprint ST > > 34) 543 BMW R1150 RT > > 35) 541 Triumph Daytona 955i > > 36) 540 Suzuki GS500E > > 37) 539 Suzuki DR-Z400S > > 38) 489 Suzuki GSX1400 (a really big naked retro > standard) > > 39) 476 Yamaha XJR1300 > > 40) 459 Honda CB500 (Street-going 500 vertical twin) > > All bikes 126cc or higher, excludes small scooters and 125cc bikes. > Were they included, scooters would be all over the chart, and the Honda > CG125 > > and Aprilia RS125 would be at eighth and ninth, respectively. > > > Know what else is remarkable here..........................??? Not one > freakin cruiser on the entire chart. Now you know why Yurp gets a lot > of the good stuff that we don't. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 15:22:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49JM9l27600 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (06-0160.068.popsite.net [64.24.83.160]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A0B0E366083 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000501c1f78f$24baf220$a0531840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Hotlanta bound... Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:24:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, I hate to break up this Osbourne Family-style lovefest with some honest to god moto content, but if you'll excuse my bandwidth, this will be over quickly... First - I'm headed to Road Atlanta next weekend to spectate and/or corner work for the AMA Nationals. Question - How do I get to the track? From here in MD would it make a lot of sense to go down I-81 from Winchester (via 340), then to I-77 to I-85, or just shoot down 95 to 85? If it's shorter one way over the other, than the short way wins. If it's really 6 or 1/2 dozen, then I'll take 81. I hate dodging the nut jobs on 95. Then which exit is it off of 85 for the track, anyone know? Crimony I was just on 85 from Atlanta to Clemson and back last March, I shoulda at least wrote the exit number down. But as I recall, there were two exits marked from the interstate for access to the track. Anyway, someone please send me directions. Thanks. Second - As I did my first road riding in the rain since about mid summer 2000 last night, I was actively wondering as I rode where exactly in the lane would there be the most traction? As MSF and common sense tells us, the most slippery time on a road during a rain is the first part of the rain after the water has lifted the oil and crap to the surface. After it rains for a while and the water washes away the crap, the road settles down a little. Now, would the center of the lane be more traction-full, or the wheel track parts of the lane? I figure the center of the lane has more crap on it from engine and driveline drippings, but the wheel track would be slightly lower than the center and may collect the center runoff. I know I'm splitting [insert your favorite pubic area here] hairs, but I was just wondering. Now back to your regularly scheduled "light-hearted" ribbing... Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (Still fo' sale) "We're all here 'cause we're not all there" Digest-impaired From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 15:30:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49JUXl27765 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: '01 Bike sales in the UK, 100% moto content! Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:30:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm surprised that both the naked and faired Bandit 600 (12 & 13) & 1200 (30 & 31) are next to each other. I thought one would sell much better than the other. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 3:12 PM To: dc-cycles list Subject: '01 Bike sales in the UK, 100% moto content! > 1) 3877 Honda CBR600 > > 2) 2458 Kawasaki ZX-6R > > 3) 2423 Suzuki GSXR-600 > > 4) 2376 Honda CBR900RR > > 5) 2267 Yamaha FSZ600 Fazer > > 6) 2164 Yamaha YZF-R1 > > 7) 2148 Yamaha YZF - R6 > > 8) 1638 Suzuki GSX-R1000 > > 9) 1552 Honda VFR800 > > 10) 1387 Suzuki SV650S > > 11) 1330 Honda CBR1100XX > > 12) 1197 Suzuki Bandit 600F (the naked one) > > 13) 1186 Suzuki Bandit 600S > > 14) 1072 Triumph Bonneville > > 15) 1067 Aprilia RSV Mille > > 16) 1034 Honda CB600F Hornet > > 17) 1003 Gilera SP180 (a trick looking scooter) > > 18) 969 Kawasaki ZX-9R > > 19) 945 Piaggio PX200 (a Vespa/Lambretta retro scooter) > > 20) 916 Honda Deauville (Hawk GT motor w/fairing and hard > > bags) > > 21) 897 Honda VTR100F (SuperHawk) > > 22) 851 Suzuki GSX1300R (Hayabusa) > > 23) 822 BMW R1150GS > > 24) 786 Yamaha FZS1000 (FZ-1) > > 25) 782 Honda VTR1000 SP-1 (RC-51) > > 26) 757 Yamaha XJR1300SP (naked retro standard) > > 27) 710 Kawasaki ZX-12R > > 28) 605 Yamaha FJR1300 > > 29) 603 Yamaha Thundercat (YZF 600) > > 30) 597 Suzuki GSF1200K1 (naked Bandit) > > 31) 591 Suzuki Bandit 1200 > > 32) 591 Triumph TT600 > > 33) 585 Triumph Sprint ST > > 34) 543 BMW R1150 RT > > 35) 541 Triumph Daytona 955i > > 36) 540 Suzuki GS500E > > 37) 539 Suzuki DR-Z400S > > 38) 489 Suzuki GSX1400 (a really big naked retro > standard) > > 39) 476 Yamaha XJR1300 > > 40) 459 Honda CB500 (Street-going 500 vertical twin) From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 15:32:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20107.mail.yahoo.com (web20107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49JWdl27778 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509193238.14701.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 12:32:38 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: '01 Bike sales in the UK, 100% moto content! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006d01c1f78d$895ff060$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii horrors!! moto-content! > > From the Howcum We Never See Info Like This in U.S. Moto - mags > File: because you'd fall asleep by line 5: hardly cruiser honda cruiser honda sportbike yam cruiser kawi cruiser suz sportbike yam sportbike kawi sportbike suzuki cruiser > > and Aprilia RS125 would be at eighth and ninth, respectively. I would so much like to own the RS125... > Not one freakin cruiser on the entire chart. Of course! Euro's actually *USE* motorcycles for every-day transport. The colonists use a bike only when the weather is perfect, 75+ degrees and if the day of the week is Sat or Sun. the rest of the time they sit in 15 mile jams along major interstates (like 3/495) as they yack on phones and bask in the glory of owning their 15mpg SUV's pouring out noxious fumes to better ensure the weather year-round is 75+ degrees. Meanwhile HOV lanes stay vacant. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 16:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49KHPl28561 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509201723.8239.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 13:17:23 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer Fan Club (was RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights)) To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > Jeannette, > > Since you're president of the Gimer Fan Club, can you > tell me where to send my application? > I'd like the lifetime membership, please. Make my check > out to.....??? note: all new members will receive an autographed photo of me, in my office, with my micrometer.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 16:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11102.mail.yahoo.com (web11102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g49KVHl28802 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020509203117.64947.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 13:31:17 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: '01 Bike Sales in EUROPE To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006d01c1f78d$895ff060$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here are the top selling bikes in EUROPE, as opposed to the U.K. bikes shown in Paul's post. This list is from the following URL: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677&documentID=146408 There are some interesting differences, particularly the no. 1 spot. 1 Suzuki SV650 24,738 2 Honda Hornet 600 24,016 3 Honda CBR600F 21,693 4 Suzuki Burgman 400 17,795 5 Suzuki 600 Bandit 17,785 6 Yamaha Tmax 15,988 7 Honda SH150 14,873 8 Yamaha Fazer 600 14,623 9 Yamaha R6 14,402 10 Yamaha Majesty 250 13,463 11 Honda @150 13,087 12 Piaggio Vespa ET4 125 12,792 13 Suzuki Bandit 1200 12,566 14 BMW R1150GS 12,297 15 Honda FireBlade 11,696 16 BMW F650GS 11,134 17 Honda Transalp 650 11,130 18 Suzuki GSX-R1000 10,949 19 Yamaha Majesty 125 10,949 20 Honda Varadero 125 10,914 --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > BIKE magazine: the best-selling motorcycles in > jolly old England for > > 2001. > > 1) 3877 Honda CBR600 > > 2) 2458 Kawasaki ZX-6R > > 3) 2423 Suzuki GSXR-600 > > 4) 2376 Honda CBR900RR > > 5) 2267 Yamaha FSZ600 Fazer > > 6) 2164 Yamaha YZF-R1 > > 7) 2148 Yamaha YZF - R6 > > 8) 1638 Suzuki GSX-R1000 > > 9) 1552 Honda VFR800 > > 10) 1387 Suzuki SV650S > > 11) 1330 Honda CBR1100XX > > 12) 1197 Suzuki Bandit 600F > > 13) 1186 Suzuki Bandit 600S > > 14) 1072 Triumph Bonneville > > 15) 1067 Aprilia RSV Mille > > 16) 1034 Honda CB600F Hornet > > 17) 1003 Gilera SP180 > > 18) 969 Kawasaki ZX-9R > > 19) 945 Piaggio PX200 > > 20) 916 Honda Deauville __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 17:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49L6sl29438 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-48-115.s2147.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.115] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 175v7l-0000nh-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 17:06:54 -0400 Message-ID: <026901c1f79d$98a28b40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Chris Weaver" , References: <20020509203117.64947.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: '01 Bike Sales in EUROPE Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:07:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Interesting data. You have to get to #12 to find a two-wheeler of European origin and it's a scooter. I also assume the original poster meant the UK, not just England. We know the UK is more than just "England." My Scots ancestry won't let that one slide by unnoticed. :) Wales and Northern Ireland, too, as well as lesser dependencies like the Isle of Man. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" > Here are the top selling bikes in EUROPE, as opposed > to the U.K. bikes shown in Paul's post. This list is > from the following URL: > http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677&documentID=146408 > > There are some interesting differences, particularly > the no. 1 spot. > > 1 Suzuki SV650 24,738 > 2 Honda Hornet 600 24,016 > 12 Piaggio Vespa ET4 125 12,792 From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 17:38:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rizzo.jerky.net (rizzo.jerky.net [204.57.55.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49LcEl29903 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by rizzo.jerky.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C73FF31109 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw1ll (unknown [209.119.26.40]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBDD50119; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <005e01c1f7a1$5a0d4920$281a77d1@xhost.org> From: "pltrgyst" To: "Howard J. Koontz" , References: <000501c1f78f$24baf220$a0531840@apnHOFOJOKO> Subject: Re: Hotlanta bound... Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:34:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Exit 129. See http://www.roadatlanta.com/direct.htm. >From Alexandria, taking 81->77 is 40 miles longer, but a hell of a lot more relaxing. If you've got a shorter trip to 81 from wherever you are in MD, then 81 is even better. -- Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 3:24 PM Subject: Hotlanta bound... > Hey, I hate to break up this Osbourne Family-style lovefest with some honest > to god moto content, but if you'll excuse my bandwidth, this will be over > quickly... > > First - I'm headed to Road Atlanta next weekend to spectate and/or corner > work for the AMA Nationals. Question - How do I get to the track? From here > in MD would it make a lot of sense to go down I-81 from Winchester (via > 340), then to I-77 to I-85, or just shoot down 95 to 85? If it's shorter one > way over the other, than the short way wins. If it's really 6 or 1/2 dozen, > then I'll take 81. I hate dodging the nut jobs on 95. Then which exit is it > off of 85 for the track, anyone know? Crimony I was just on 85 from Atlanta > to Clemson and back last March, I shoulda at least wrote the exit number > down. But as I recall, there were two exits marked from the interstate for > access to the track. Anyway, someone please send me directions. Thanks. > > Second - As I did my first road riding in the rain since about mid summer > 2000 last night, I was actively wondering as I rode where exactly in the > lane would there be the most traction? > > As MSF and common sense tells us, the most slippery time on a road during a > rain is the first part of the rain after the water has lifted the oil and > crap to the surface. After it rains for a while and the water washes away > the crap, the road settles down a little. > > Now, would the center of the lane be more traction-full, or the wheel track > parts of the lane? I figure the center of the lane has more crap on it from > engine and driveline drippings, but the wheel track would be slightly lower > than the center and may collect the center runoff. I know I'm splitting > [insert your favorite pubic area here] hairs, but I was just wondering. > > Now back to your regularly scheduled "light-hearted" ribbing... > > Howard J. Koontz > 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (Still fo' sale) > "We're all here 'cause we're not all there" > Digest-impaired > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 17:54:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from kitkat.hotpop.com (kitkat.hotpop.com [204.57.55.30]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49Lsil00267 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotpop.com (unknown [204.57.55.16]) by kitkat.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A1A231411 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw1ll (unknown [209.119.26.40]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214ED50072; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <004b01c1f7a0$6919a180$281a77d1@xhost.org> From: "pltrgyst" To: , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Gimer Fan Club (was RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights)) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:28:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" > What's that? Chuck Pena, Treasurer? ...and accounting by Arthur Andersen, no doubt. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 18:02:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe41.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.209]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49M1xl00425 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:00:51 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: Subject: Detailed map to Road Atlanta Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:01:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1F783.883A8EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 22:00:51.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB98D900:01C1F7A4] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1F783.883A8EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See http://www.xhost.org/images/RA.gif -- Larry ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1F783.883A8EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1F783.883A8EC0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 19:00:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49N0Al01435 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175wtI-00065i-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 16:00:04 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020509185836.00c867b8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 19:01:44 -0400 To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Bashing? I thought Chuck was trying to be complimentary. I'm sure he wouldn't chance any bad press for Cato during their silver anniversary celebration week. -- Larry Perry Coleman wrote: >Gee, Tom, it doesn't look like he's bashing any of those groups - just you. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 19:03:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49N3Yl01465 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175wwe-0002wQ-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 16:03:32 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020509190416.00c912f0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 19:05:12 -0400 To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) (CA TO) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Eddie Crane? I thought that was Frazier's dog... Jeez, the more I read, the less I know. -- Larry At 12:02 PM 5/9/2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >What, no mention of the CATO guy article in the Post today? > > >From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > >--- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" >wrote: > > Because I can't resist and I can't believe TG gave me an > > opening big enough to drive a Mack truck through ... > > > > What sucks? > > > > Why Tom, you do. But the real question is whether you > > swallow??? %^) > > > >taken from the cato.org website: > >"We reject the bashing of gays, Japan, rich people, and >immigrants that contemporary liberals and conservatives >seem to think addresses society's problems." > >i for one am offended by the current bashing; and from a >cato employee no less! i'm debating whether or not to >report it to the organization's officials. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 19:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g49NA9l01623 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175x2x-0003pl-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 May 2002 16:10:04 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020509190832.00c95e80@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 19:11:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) In-Reply-To: <20020509171524.44888.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020509170922.3786.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:15 PM 5/9/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >....Yes, you have the right to act like children on the >list, but does it add anything to the exchange of >valuable motorcycle information? > >Does anyone agree? It adds a little light entertainment to my day, even though I can't easily post from work. And, apart from the odd bike night, it's always interesting to see what people are really like, when you read exchanges like: " > Ethnic diversity yes, we have that problem, too." Enlightening, even. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 20:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp3.quixnet.net (psmtp3.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.123.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4A0QFl02854; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (1Cust212.tnt5.lorton.va.da.uu.net [67.200.167.212]) by smtp3.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21480; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c1f7b9$61cfbfe0$d4a7c843@computer> Reply-To: "Kevin Bechtel" From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: "Trey Bostick" , "Tray, Brian" , "The dc-cycles list administrator" , , "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , "Roy D. 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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1F797.D503C140-- From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 22:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (boo-mda02.boo.net [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4A2sNl05105 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Bubaleh (dc-lata-2-113.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [162.33.63.113]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10243 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c1f7cd$faa75070$f33f21a2@Bubaleh> From: "Janey & Kurt" To: References: <200205092300.g49N07201388@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/09/02 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:53:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 After reading through endless non-moto drivel since I resubscribed a few weeks ago, I can't beleive I'm about to contribute to the nonsense. DC does indeed rock! And here's something to think about for all you non-DC riders: Would you rather subscribe to a list called "DC-Land-Cycles" or "Suburban-DC-Cycles"? How about "Subdivisions-As-Far-As-The-Eye-Can-See-Cycles"? Or "Museums-Are-For-Pansies-We-Got-A-Shooting-Range-And-A-Wal-Mart-Out-Here Cycles." Face it: Without us District residents you'd be subscribing to a list with a ridiculous-sounding name. > Reply-To: > From: "Patti Rodgers" > To: "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" > Subject: FW: COLUMBIA Heights > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 01:02:06 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > And since this topic will probably make a lot of people think it sucks to > live in DC (Dodge City some weekends!), I just want to share: one block to > Rock Creek Parkway, 12 minutes to work, $8 cab ride home from any bar or > club in town, Ethiopian restaurants 5 minutes away, original mahogany floors > (house built in 1917) and high ceilings, $5K tax credit for first time home > buyers, No HOA (almost forgot that!)... and the people across the street are > selling their almost identical house for almost twice what I paid 14 months > ago. MD sucks. DC rocks. > > Cheers, > > Patti > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 06:35:07 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Wayne Edelen > Subject: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) > > At 01:02 AM 5/9/02 -0500, you wrote: > >And since this topic will probably make a lot of people think it sucks to > >live in DC (Dodge City some weekends!), I just want to share: one block to > >Rock Creek Parkway, 12 minutes to work, $8 cab ride home from any bar or > >club in town, Ethiopian restaurants 5 minutes away, original mahogany floors > >(house built in 1917) and high ceilings, $5K tax credit for first time home > >buyers, No HOA (almost forgot that!)... and the people across the street are > >selling their almost identical house for almost twice what I paid 14 months > >ago. MD sucks. DC rocks. > > Ah, c'mon. > > I live on a golf course, the house I live in just appraised for $225k more > than I paid for it 4 yrs ago, I'm 10 minutes from a 1/4 mile drag strip, 40 > mins from Summit Point, 10 minutes from my local 'autox lot' and nearly > every road around me is twisty. > > Now what sucks? :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 06:25:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: What sucks? was Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > At 01:02 AM 5/9/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >And since this topic will probably make a lot of people > > think it sucks to > > >live in DC (Dodge City some weekends!), I just want to > > share: one block to > > >Rock Creek Parkway, 12 minutes to work, $8 cab ride home > > from any bar or > > >club in town, Ethiopian restaurants 5 minutes away, > > original mahogany floors > > >(house built in 1917) and high ceilings, $5K tax credit > > for first time home > > >buyers, No HOA (almost forgot that!)... and the people > > across the street are > > >selling their almost identical house for almost twice > > what I paid 14 months > > >ago. MD sucks. DC rocks. > > > > Ah, c'mon. > > > > I live on a golf course, the house I live in just > > appraised for $225k more > > than I paid for it 4 yrs ago, I'm 10 minutes from a 1/4 > > mile drag strip, 40 > > mins from Summit Point, 10 minutes from my local 'autox > > lot' and nearly > > every road around me is twisty. > > > > Now what sucks? :-) > > this thread. > > and contrary to what their respective [biased] citizens > would have us believe, all three jurisdictions -- md., va., > and dc -- suck balls!... each in their own _special_ ways, > of course... > > now west virginia on the other hand.... > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 06:30:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mark Kitchell > Subject: Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) > To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Gotta go with Patti here! > > 3 minute ride to work > I can walk to all those clubs > I can sit on my stoop at 5PM and watch 100s of > beautiful women walk by (nice guys too if that floats > you). > Ethnic diversity > Rooftop deck > No strip malls > No Kohls or Target within the city limits > Walk to Fresh Fields > > Yes, if I stay in DC I am thinking about SELLING MY > CAGE!!! > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > At 01:02 AM 5/9/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >And since this topic will probably make a lot of > > people think it sucks to > > >live in DC (Dodge City some weekends!), I just want > > to share: one block to > > >Rock Creek Parkway, 12 minutes to work, $8 cab ride > > home from any bar or > > >club in town, Ethiopian restaurants 5 minutes away, > > original mahogany floors > > >(house built in 1917) and high ceilings, $5K tax > > credit for first time home > > >buyers, No HOA (almost forgot that!)... and the > > people across the street are > > >selling their almost identical house for almost > > twice what I paid 14 months > > >ago. MD sucks. DC rocks. > > > > Ah, c'mon. > > > > I live on a golf course, the house I live in just > > appraised for $225k more > > than I paid for it 4 yrs ago, I'm 10 minutes from a > > 1/4 mile drag strip, 40 > > mins from Summit Point, 10 minutes from my local > > 'autox lot' and nearly > > every road around me is twisty. > > > > Now what sucks? :-) > > > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Mark Kitchell" , > "dc-cycles list" > Subject: Re: MD Rocks ;-) (was COLUMBIA Heights) > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:22:35 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > Gotta go with Patti here! > > > > 3 minute ride to work > > I can walk to all those clubs > > I can sit on my stoop at 5PM and watch 100s of > > beautiful women walk by (nice guys too if that floats > > you). > > Ethnic diversity > > Rooftop deck > > No strip malls > > No Kohls or Target within the city limits > > Walk to Fresh Fields > > > > Yes, if I stay in DC I am thinking about SELLING MY > > CAGE!!! > > I hear you about the cage. I don't drive it for weeks at a time. If I were > single the cage would be history, but my wife feels she needs a car at her > disposal. > > Big box retail is coming though. We are getting a K-Mart (if it survives > bankruptcy) and a Home Despot on Brentwood Rd. I haven't really missed > going to the late Hechinger's in 'Hood on Benning Road for lumber and > whatnot and probably won't patronize the HD too much. I can still get 95% > of my home improvement materials (except massive quantities of drywall and > lumber) at the Mom and Pop hardware 7 blocks away and simply sign for it on > account. They'll deliver things free of charge that are too large to carry > or strap to the bike(s). Actually a beater truck or van would probably be > more use to me than a car. > > But YMMV. That's why we should have diversity in terms of living > arrangements and human environments. One size does not fit all. > > Paul in DC > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 9 23:47:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4A3lTl05929 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 23:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STmaven@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.fd.17bb9a98 (16086) for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 23:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m26.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v84.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-0509234652; Thu, 09 May 2002 23:46:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 23:46:53 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: R6 Group Ride Message-ID: <483D1A42.75B1573B.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello everyone. We are putting together a R6 group ride. Me and a bunch of guys from around the area are planning a group ride out to the Skyline area. I was wondering if anyone would like to join us. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 04:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4A80rl09873 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from attglobal.net (pcp717420pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net [68.49.216.54]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GVV0082FY9572@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 04:07:31 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda Subject: NESBA track day May 11 & 12 To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3CDB7FC3.88CFF530@attglobal.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [ja] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja Anybody going to the NESBA track day at Summit Point (Jefferson) this weekend? I'll be going to the one on Sat May 11 with the SuperHawk it better not rain... -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 07:57:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ABv8l13261 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.168.216.62]) by mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 10 May 2002 07:57:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3CDBB57B.84850223@cox.rr.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:56:44 -0400 From: asm@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: test message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 07:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ABwOl13267 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17692U-0000Rt-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:58:22 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510075748.00cde990@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:00:02 -0400 To: "Janey & Kurt" , From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/09/02 In-Reply-To: <003901c1f7cd$faa75070$f33f21a2@Bubaleh> References: <200205092300.g49N07201388@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:53 PM 5/9/2002, Janey & Kurt wrote: >...." Face it: Without us District residents you'd be subscribing to a >list with a ridiculous-sounding name. You mean like: NOVAcycles or MDcycles, instead of ride-in-DC-and-get-your-bike-stolen-at-gunpoint-cycles? 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 08:15:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (mail7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ACFVl13592 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.168.216.62]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 10 May 2002 08:15:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3CDBB9C9.5980BDC1@cox.rr.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:15:05 -0400 From: asm@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: FS: Honda CB-750 Nighthawk and Great MC Accessoroes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For Sale 1992 Honda BC-750 Nighthawk Black $2200 Washington DC Metropolitan Area (Herndon, VA) Andrew: asm@XXXXXX This is a wonderful bike. It will go and go and go and go. I've heard stories of '90's Honda Nighthawks with literally no maintenance for tens of thousands of miles. The Nighthawk was Cyclesport Magazine's Bike of the Year. It is so reliable and so versatile that Honda literally has not changed it in 10 years. It is still produced today as a 2002 model and sells unchanged today at $5799. This bike is a 1992 model with 14,900 miles. Sold new in 1994, it is in excellent condition and has been meticulously maintained. It has always been garaged-kept, it's never been dropped, and it's always been adult ridden. The tires were replaced a few years ago and oil changes were done every season. Last Summer I took it to Manassas-Honda for a thorough safety check. I had them install a new chain, new front and rear sprockets, a new air filter and they did the seasonal oil change. In April 2002, I installed a new battery. The rear tire is beginning to show some commuting-riding wear, but otherwise, the bike is in perfect shape. I have all maintenance receipts and a clear title. http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike02.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike03.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike04.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike05.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike06.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike07.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike08.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike09.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike10.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Nolan1.JPG The Nighthawk simply cannot be beaten for value and fun. It's big enough for two people (and when equipped with a fairing, backrest and saddle bags, is a terrific touring rig) with a 5.6 gal tank! This is a great starter bike you won't quickly outgrow. If you've noticed sport bikes are uncomfortable and you don't want all the baggage and headache of a wannabee-Harley, I would argue a "standard" bike like this Honda is the perfect solution, especially for a first-bike. And perhaps most importantly, if you are new to riding and aren't sure what you want, certainly don't run out and buy a $7,500 bike only to find you really would have rather had something more comfortable than a sportbike or perhaps something a little more zippy than a cruiser, or worse something bigger than the 250cc's (which you WILL outgrow very shortly) everyone seems to get. Instead, ride this bike for a year and you will be in a far far better position to judge what you want. And you just might find, like I did, that this bike gives you everything you need: lots of power, sportiness, practicality, 1up and 2up comfort, affordable abundant replacement parts, great purchase-value, awesome fuel economy, low insurance rates, ease of maintenance, low theft-risk and tons of fun. You can do it all on this bike. It carves corners like a champ, it is comfortable cruising around town, it's comfortable and fast out on the open road, it's got power to spare, it accommodates two riders easily, it's safe and easy to ride for a new-rider, you won't immediately outgrow it, at 45mpg and a $2200 purchase price it's cheap-as-dirt, and it's a maintenance dream-come-true. My reason for selling is simple: I don't have time to ride with a family on the way, and I've got a bunch of other things pulling at my time including: music, home improvement, cycling and swimming. If you are considering buying a new first bike, take a look at the 1990's Honda CB-750 Nighthawk. It could save you literally thousands and thousands of dollars. An MSF instructor's reference is available for this bike. Test-riders need valid MC license or proof of MSF course completion. New, this bike is a great value at $5,799. Used ones with 10k mi sell for around $3000. More accessories available! I'm selling mine with centerstand, two older spare black Nolan helmets, and cruise control.....all for $2200. Check out the Nighthawk resource page. Scroll to the bottom and read about the 1991-2002 current Nighthawk. http://www.imagearts.ryerson.ca/dgreen/cb750.html Accessories for sale separately: http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Accessories1.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike01.JPG $75 Plexifairing III clear fairing w/ hardware fits many bikes, no scratches, free replacement guarentee http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Fairing1.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Fairing2.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Fairing3.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Fairing4.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Fairing5.JPG $140 Honda NH backrest/rack/pouch w/ bolts, like new http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Rack1.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Rack2.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Rack3.JPG $65 Chase-Harper Stealth saddle bags lifetime warr. nice http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bags1.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bags2.JPG $100 Shoei RX800 black XL helmet new w/bag and box http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Shoei1.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Shoei2.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Shoei3.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Shoei4.JPG $200 First-Gear Kilimanjaro Kevlar all-weather XL jacket black/reflective absolutely brand new http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Jacket1.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Jacket2.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Jacket3.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Jacket4.JPG From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 08:26:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (boo-mda02.boo.net [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ACQll13701 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Bubaleh (dc-lata-1-19.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [162.33.62.19]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA05713; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c1f81d$f097e130$133e21a2@Bubaleh> From: "Janey & Kurt" To: , "Larry Larson" References: <200205092300.g49N07201388@dirty.meretrix.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020510075748.00cde990@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/09/02 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:26:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Good point! I have to admit that, even though I live in DC, I rarely ride in DC. Other than parts of Beach Drive in Rock Creek Park and MacAurther Blvd., there's no place worthwhile to ride in the District. I guess I should belong to something like the "Live in DC And Ride Anywhere But DC" list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Larson" To: "Janey & Kurt" ; Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:00 AM Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/09/02 > At 10:53 PM 5/9/2002, Janey & Kurt wrote: > >...." Face it: Without us District residents you'd be subscribing to a > >list with a ridiculous-sounding name. > > You mean like: NOVAcycles or MDcycles, instead of > ride-in-DC-and-get-your-bike-stolen-at-gunpoint-cycles? > > 8;) -- Larry > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 08:35:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ACZGl13956 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-209.244.226.254.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([209.244.226.254] helo=s0023675517) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1769c8-0005yP-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c1f81f$413743a0$b471fea9@s0023675517> From: "Gavin Ruddy" To: References: <200205092300.g49N07201388@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Lasers Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:36:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I'm on digest mode so I'm a little behind here. But I'd like to see you shoot your pencil thin laser for 3/10ths of a second at a moving car and have it bounce back to exactly where you shot it from and compute a speed reading with that. The laser has to spread to be able to bounce back and work. It isn't always on, it shoots a beam for 3/10ths of a second makes three measurements then computes the speed using time/distance. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 08:40:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (boo-mda02.boo.net [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ACeHl13981 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Bubaleh (dc-lata-2-62.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [162.33.63.62]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA06752 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:40:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c1f81f$d6230b20$133e21a2@Bubaleh> From: "Janey & Kurt" To: References: <200205092300.g49N07201388@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: Track Day Bike Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:39:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I'd be interested in hearing from those of you who spend a lot of time on the track. I've been riding a 96 VFR for several years, and I've found that I much prefer track days and sport riding to sport touring. I'm looking for a suitable track bike/sunday ride bike, and I can't decide whether I should sacrifice some weight for more power. I've ridden the following bikes on the track: Kaw. ZX6R, Aprilia RSV, and my VFR. The latter is just way too heavy and softly sprung for the track. Both Zx6R and Aprilia were a blast, but the weight difference is very noticable. Here's my delimma: I live in DC (read: very limited parking) so I have room for only one bike. I just can't squeeze a dedicated track bike, street bike, and car into a tiny parking space. So I need something that will work on the track and on the street. Right now I'm leaning towards a 600cc sport bike, rather than a monster V-Twin (because the weight difference), even though I loved the torque of the V-Twins I've ridden. Maybe split the difference with an SV650? Any thoughts/suggestions would be much appreciated. -Kurt From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 08:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ACgKl14053 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (08-119.068.popsite.net [64.24.91.119]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AB947365FB8 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000501c1f820$788664c0$775b1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: These things are getting damn-near common.. Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:44:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I've seen a few of these lately... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1827781716#DES C Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project "We're all here 'cause we're not all there" From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 08:57:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ACval14371 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from C4ZJ911 ([63.220.27.131]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GVWBZT01.5R3 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:57:29 -0400 Message-ID: <00c801c1f822$0911c2e0$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <200205092300.g49N07201388@dirty.meretrix.com> <000b01c1f81f$d6230b20$133e21a2@Bubaleh> Subject: Re: Track Day Bike Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:54:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 An SV650 would be a great choice. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janey & Kurt" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Track Day Bike > I'd be interested in hearing from those of you who spend a lot of time on > the track. I've been riding a 96 VFR for several years, and I've found that > I much prefer track days and sport riding to sport touring. I'm looking for > a suitable track bike/sunday ride bike, and I can't decide whether I should > sacrifice some weight for more power. I've ridden the following bikes on > the track: Kaw. ZX6R, Aprilia RSV, and my VFR. The latter is just way too > heavy and softly sprung for the track. Both Zx6R and Aprilia were a blast, > but the weight difference is very noticable. > > Here's my delimma: I live in DC (read: very limited parking) so I have > room for only one bike. I just can't squeeze a dedicated track bike, street > bike, and car into a tiny parking space. So I need something that will work > on the track and on the street. Right now I'm leaning towards a 600cc sport > bike, rather than a monster V-Twin (because the weight difference), even > though I loved the torque of the V-Twins I've ridden. Maybe split the > difference with an SV650? Any thoughts/suggestions would be much > appreciated. > > -Kurt > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 09:23:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ADNol14851 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:24:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: R6 Group Ride Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:24:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is this only for people with R6's? -----Original Message----- From: STmaven@XXXXXX [mailto:STmaven@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:47 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: R6 Group Ride Hello everyone. We are putting together a R6 group ride. Me and a bunch of guys from around the area are planning a group ride out to the Skyline area. I was wondering if anyone would like to join us. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 09:25:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4ADPll14857 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510132538.83089.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:25:38 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 06:25:38 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Track Day Bike - SPAM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000b01c1f81f$d6230b20$133e21a2@Bubaleh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think a 2001 Honda CBR600F41 would be the perfect bike for you (really) and I just happen to have one for sale. Great street bike, great track bike. Red and black, 3600 miles, perfect condition. Stainless front lines already so you don't have to worry about that before hitting the track again, I even have the factory manual and an extra oil filter and enough Honda HP4 oil for another oil change. --- Janey & Kurt wrote: > I'd be interested in hearing from those of you > who spend a lot of time on > the track. I've been riding a 96 VFR for several > years, and I've found that > I much prefer track days and sport riding to sport > touring. I'm looking for > a suitable track bike/sunday ride bike, and I can't > decide whether I should > sacrifice some weight for more power. I've ridden > the following bikes on > the track: Kaw. ZX6R, Aprilia RSV, and my VFR. The > latter is just way too > heavy and softly sprung for the track. Both Zx6R > and Aprilia were a blast, > but the weight difference is very noticable. > > Here's my delimma: I live in DC (read: very > limited parking) so I have > room for only one bike. I just can't squeeze a > dedicated track bike, street > bike, and car into a tiny parking space. So I need > something that will work > on the track and on the street. Right now I'm > leaning towards a 600cc sport > bike, rather than a monster V-Twin (because the > weight difference), even > though I loved the torque of the V-Twins I've > ridden. Maybe split the > difference with an SV650? Any thoughts/suggestions > would be much > appreciated. > > -Kurt > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 09:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ADSfl14974 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:28:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Adult Ridden Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:28:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" At what age can one say adult ridden when selling a bike? From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 09:29:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ADTcl14995 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:29:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: riding in DC Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:29:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We actually had a group ride entirely in DC last fall that was a nice ride. Thanks again Paul. -----Original Message----- From: Janey & Kurt [mailto:jcohen@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Larry Larson Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/09/02 Good point! I have to admit that, even though I live in DC, I rarely ride in DC. Other than parts of Beach Drive in Rock Creek Park and MacAurther Blvd., there's no place worthwhile to ride in the District. I guess I should belong to something like the "Live in DC And Ride Anywhere But DC" list. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 09:49:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ADnql15455 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g4ADsDi04616 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:54:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:48:51 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:48:30 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Track Day Bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_93CE79D3.9FFFC666" --=_93CE79D3.9FFFC666 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Kurt, If I were to have to settle for just one bike for track days and street = riding..I would go for a Honda F4 or F4I. I have a R6 just for track days, = on the street it's peaky, and not very comfortable after 100 miles. The F4 = felt much closer to a VFR in comfort while having the lightness and = handling of a 600. The SV 650 is lots O fun too, ( I owned one) but would = likely need some suspension mods to really make it track worthy, but they = can be purchased for cheap. George Cole 01 FZ1 George M Cole Technology Consultant Boise Office Solutions 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 (please note new email address effective March 2002) George.Cole@XXXXXX >>> "Janey & Kurt" 05/10/02 08:39AM >>> I'd be interested in hearing from those of you who spend a lot of time = on the track. - I have room for only one bike. Any thoughts/suggestions = would be much appreciated. -Kurt --=_93CE79D3.9FFFC666 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="George Cole.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:George Cole TEL;WORK:410-579-5200 x4608 ORG:;B-Tech Sales TEL;PREF;FAX:800-537-0066 EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:George.Cole@XXXXXX N:Cole;George TITLE:Sales Rep END:VCARD --=_93CE79D3.9FFFC666-- From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:07:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AE7Yl15846 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4AE7B215004; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:07:12 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510100255.0221a9b8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:06:09 -0400 To: asm@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: FS: Honda CB-750 Nighthawk and Great MC Accessoroes Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <3CDBB9C9.5980BDC1@cox.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Those things really hold their value. I bought the same bike thanks to a tip on this very mailing list 4 years ago today. I bought it for a steal at $1900 with the cover, saddlebags, a tank bag and a plexifairing. I sold it for $2100 a year later, minus the cover and saddlebags, but with the addition of a new Corbin saddle ;-) I wish I could have kept that bike in the garage for the occasional weekend ride. At 08:15 AM 5/10/2002, asm@XXXXXX wrote: >For Sale 1992 Honda BC-750 Nighthawk Black $2200 >Washington DC Metropolitan Area (Herndon, VA) >Andrew: asm@XXXXXX ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AE81l15849 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4AE7t215010 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:07:56 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510100719.0222a1b8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:07:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Adult Ridden In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:28 AM 5/10/2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >At what age can one say adult ridden when selling a bike? 26 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:11:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AEB0l15879 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23723 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 07:10:53 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.175 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 10 May 2002 07:10:53 -0700 X-Sent: 10 May 2002 14:10:53 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shonda3@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: NESBA track day May 11 & 12 X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020510071053.3528.h011.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Fri, 10 May 2002, Shigeru Honda wrote > > Anybody going to the NESBA track day at Summit Point (Jefferson) this > weekend? > I'll be going to the one on Sat May 11 with the SuperHawk > it better not rain... > I think Roach is helping out this weekend at the track day...make sure to stop by and say hi to him. He is a great racer and a big help when it comes to your bike and riding. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:17:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AEHLl16120 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510141716.93919.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:17:16 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:17:16 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Fwd: Re: Track Day Bike - SPAM To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I guess I could'a put a price. Kelly Blue Book is around $7600, I was going to ask $7400 but since I'm getting married in one month from tomorrow and could use some spare change, I'll ask $7200 or best offer. I live in Centreville, you can come by and check it out if you want. I even have a cover that I will throw in for free, although it isn't in the best shape. > > This probably would make a pretty good dual duty > bike for what you are > looking for. I don't know about the price, this > particular bike, and I don't > know Steve, but the F4I is a great trackday bike and > I know lots of people > who use it as a daily commuter. The SV would also be > a great choice unless > you plan on doing 2 up touring. Then neither would > be great, but the F4I > would be better. > My opinion, > Danny > '02 XR 250R > '00 SV (racebike) (for sale) > '99 SV (racebike) (for sale) > '98 Superhawk (for sale) > www.onewayracing.org > CSBA #150 > ...................................... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen cutchins" > > To: > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:25 AM > Subject: Re: Track Day Bike - SPAM > > > > I think a 2001 Honda CBR600F41 would be the > perfect > > bike for you (really) and I just happen to have > one > > for sale. Great street bike, great track bike. > Red > > and black, 3600 miles, perfect condition. > Stainless > > front lines already so you don't have to worry > about > > that before hitting the track again, I even have > the > > factory manual and an extra oil filter and enough > > Honda HP4 oil for another oil change. > > > > --- Janey & Kurt wrote: > > > I'd be interested in hearing from those of > you > > > who spend a lot of time on > > > the track. I've been riding a 96 VFR for > several > > > years, and I've found that > > > I much prefer track days and sport riding to > sport > > > touring. I'm looking for > > > a suitable track bike/sunday ride bike, and I > can't > > > decide whether I should > > > sacrifice some weight for more power. I've > ridden > > > the following bikes on > > > the track: Kaw. ZX6R, Aprilia RSV, and my VFR. > The > > > latter is just way too > > > heavy and softly sprung for the track. Both > Zx6R > > > and Aprilia were a blast, > > > but the weight difference is very noticable. > > > > > > Here's my delimma: I live in DC (read: very > > > limited parking) so I have > > > room for only one bike. I just can't squeeze a > > > dedicated track bike, street > > > bike, and car into a tiny parking space. So I > need > > > something that will work > > > on the track and on the street. Right now I'm > > > leaning towards a 600cc sport > > > bike, rather than a monster V-Twin (because the > > > weight difference), even > > > though I loved the torque of the V-Twins I've > > > ridden. Maybe split the > > > difference with an SV650? Any > thoughts/suggestions > > > would be much > > > appreciated. > > > > > > -Kurt > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:17:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AEHLl16121 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510141717.89828.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:17:17 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Adult Ridden To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > At what age can one say adult ridden when selling a bike? a better question is "does 'adult ridden' mean jack?" ... it shouldn't to a smart buyer. some of the craziest, most abusive, forgetful, neglectful, mechanically-challenged and burnt-out people i know are adults.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:25:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AEPJl16310 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176BKY-0001LR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:25:10 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510102603.00cde990@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:26:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Adult Ridden In-Reply-To: <20020510141717.89828.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:17 AM 5/10/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >some of the craziest, most abusive, forgetful, neglectful, >mechanically-challenged and burnt-out people i know are >adults.... Prediction: Chuck says he resembles that remark. You saw it here first. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AEcsl16607 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.de.26e297a7 (16337) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:38:00 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:38:00 EDT Subject: Re: Lasers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4AEf1l16608 In a message dated 5/10/2002 8:37:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gavinman@XXXXXX writes: > The laser has to spread to be able to bounce back and > work. I repeat, if the beam itself spreads it just aint a laser, and the time on just dont matter at all, nor does the power, a laser is a laser is a laser. Now once reflected the beam is scattered, _and not a laser anymore_, just light, so the reflection back may be 3ft. wide, but a laser by definition does not spread. (traveling through air will refract individual photons so over distance (miles and miles) a laser beam will break down, but not 1000ft.) > But I'd like to see you > shoot your pencil thin laser for 3/10ths of a second at a moving car and > have it bounce back to exactly where you shot it from It donM-bM-^@M-^Yt gotta go back to the exact same point. In fact unless it hit an object EXACTLY perpendicular to it a laser absolutely cannot return to its point of origin anymore then a Q ball hitting a bumper at an angle could return to the Q stick. (Yes I know, a skilled player using _multiple_ bounces could do it, but that aint what we are talking about.) As stated above the _reflection_ spreads, that is why everyone in a room can see the spot made by my laser pointer in class. BUT what they are seeing is a spot of normal light made by the laser striking a surface, they cannot see the laser beam itself, unless it hits them in the eye (a very bad idea.) By the way in 3/10ths of a sec. the light has traveled _only_ 55,800mi. The point? You cant evade it if you donM-bM-^@M-^Yt understand it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:42:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AEgil16718 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.96.265d3cc0 (16337) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <96.265d3cc0.2a0d364f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:42:23 EDT Subject: Re: Adult Ridden To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/10/2002 9:32:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > At what age can one say adult ridden when selling a bike? With any luck, NEVER! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AElrl16882 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.13e.e29e5a1 (16337) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:47:24 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <13e.e29e5a1.2a0d377c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:47:24 EDT Subject: Re: Adult Ridden To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/10/2002 10:20:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > some of the craziest, most abusive, forgetful, neglectful, > mechanically-challenged and burnt-out people i know are > adults.... HEY! I resemble that remark (well 5 out of six) From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 10:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AEtcl17041 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510145536.71152.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:55:35 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Adult Ridden To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <13e.e29e5a1.2a0d377c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii from your posts, i'd say you're NOT mechanically challenged. welcome, burnout! --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 5/10/2002 10:20:03 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > some of the craziest, most abusive, forgetful, > neglectful, > > mechanically-challenged and burnt-out people i know > are > > adults.... > > HEY! > I resemble that remark (well 5 out of six) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:01:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AF1Wl17217 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176Btc-0007j3-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:01:25 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510110224.00cc2310@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:03:05 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Adult Ridden In-Reply-To: <13e.e29e5a1.2a0d377c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:47 AM 5/10/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 5/10/2002 10:20:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > some of the craziest, most abusive, forgetful, neglectful, > > mechanically-challenged and burnt-out people i know are > > adults.... > >HEY! >I resemble that remark (well 5 out of six) Ah well, right prediction, wrong predictee. Gotta clean that crystal ball... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:01:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from grissom.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AF1bl17220 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by grissom.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g4AF4N522146 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:04:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:00:36 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:00:04 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Re: Adult Ridden Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4AF3kl17221 At least "adult ridden" looks better than "really Fast" in the classifieds > At what age can one say adult ridden when selling a bike? From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:02:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AF2El17223 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w054 ([168.144.108.54]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 10 May 2002 11:02:10 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Adult Ridden Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:02:11 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2002 15:02:11.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9673B60:01C1F833] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4AF4Ll17224 I would never (repeat, NEVER) waste bandwidth and the precious time of people on this list with childish postings in reponse to Gimer. I am a responsible and considerate adult. As far as "adult ridden" goes ... As long as we're talking about 2 consenting adults, anyone can ride whoever they want any way they want. Original Message: ----------------- Prediction: Chuck says he resembles that remark. You saw it here first. -- Larry -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:07:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AF77l17400 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4AF6nwL022488 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:07:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4AF6nGB011988 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:06:49 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:06:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Pretty... Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Speaking of lovely Euro bikes, how come we can't get this beauty? http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/BT1100/ ObMSF report: The first (classroom-only) day sucked, no doubt because they have to pitch it both at total utter newbies and more experienced riders who are just looking for safety info. Somehow, none of this was useful to me, probably because I've been doing all this reading and research. Have higher hopes for the first actual riding day (today). Fish. vroom vroom From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:11:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AFBMl17474 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GVW00701I6NT6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:11:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GVW006MRI6N99@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:11:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GVW00G01I6LTB@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:11:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.193]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GVW00G3YI679V@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:10:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:10:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/09/02 To: Janey & Kurt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CDBE2D5.94EA6987@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200205092300.g49N07201388@dirty.meretrix.com> <003901c1f7cd$faa75070$f33f21a2@Bubaleh> Janey & Kurt wrote: > "Museums-Are-For-Pansies-We-Got-A-Shooting-Range-And-A-Wal-Mart-Out-Here > Cycles." Anyone got a URL for this one? I wanna subscribe. :) > Face it: Without us District residents you'd be subscribing to a > list with a ridiculous-sounding name. What are you talking about? I thought the 'DC' in 'DC-Cycles' stood for Dale City? Who'd name a bike list after the District? :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:14:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AFEHl17561 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from C4ZJ911 ([63.220.27.131]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GVWIBB00.L13 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:13:59 -0400 Message-ID: <019301c1f835$1a55f2c0$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Coming to Summit Point this month! Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:12:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0190_01C1F813.860B9E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0190_01C1F813.860B9E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.formulausa.com/roadrace/index.asp Gary Foreman ------=_NextPart_000_0190_01C1F813.860B9E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0190_01C1F813.860B9E60-- From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AFEWl17565 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w077 ([168.144.108.77]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 10 May 2002 11:14:31 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Pretty... Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:14:31 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2002 15:14:31.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[62C8B380:01C1F835] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4AFHrl17566 Son of V-Max. V-Max Redux. Return of the V-Max. V-Max Episode II. Cool. Original Message: ----------------- Speaking of lovely Euro bikes, how come we can't get this beauty? http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/BT1100/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AFEal17567 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.98.25b23f8c (4387) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:14:15 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <98.25b23f8c.2a0d3dc7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:14:15 EDT Subject: Re: Adult Ridden To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/10/2002 11:04:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: > At least "adult ridden" looks better than "really Fast" in the classifieds During the mercifully short time (for me) I was in mc sales I always got a kick out of people looking at dirt bikes who asked "It have* never been raced, has it" or the salesperson who always started with "It has never been raced" I mean race bikes get better maintenance then any bike you could buy, Bikes that were "just ridden in the woods" more then likely never got an oil change, much less nifty race bits. *I started to correct the grammar, but it is a direct quote after all #:-}> John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:21:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AFL2l17804 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STmaven@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 8.140.e4d6e1e (16097); Fri, 10 May 2002 11:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m13.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.129]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v84.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-0510112019; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:20:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:20:33 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: jcohen@XXXXXX ("Janey & Kurt"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Track Day Bike Message-ID: <2DA032C4.7CBF9295.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yamaha R6... :) In a message dated Fri, 10 May 2002 M- 8:43:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Janey & Kurt" writes: > M- I'd be interested in hearing from those of you who spend a lot of time on >the track. M- I've been riding a 96 VFR for several years, and I've found that >I much prefer track days and sport riding to sport touring. M- I'm looking for >a suitable track bike/sunday ride bike, and I can't decide whether I should >sacrifice some weight for more power. M- I've ridden the following bikes on >the track: M- Kaw. ZX6R, Aprilia RSV, and my VFR. M- The latter is just way too >heavy and softly sprung for the track. M- Both Zx6R and Aprilia were a blast, >but the weight difference is very noticable. > > M- Here's my delimma: M- I live in DC (read: very limited parking) so I have >room for only one bike. M- I just can't squeeze a dedicated track bike, street >bike, and car into a tiny parking space. M- So I need something that will work >on the track and on the street. M- Right now I'm leaning towards a 600cc sport >bike, rather than a monster V-Twin (because the weight difference), even >though I loved the torque of the V-Twins I've ridden. M- Maybe split the >difference with an SV650? M- Any thoughts/suggestions would be much >appreciated. > > M- M- M- M- -Kurt > > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11103.mail.yahoo.com (web11103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AFOhl17882 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510152442.90502.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:24:42 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Pretty... To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The word out of the British bike magazines is that, true to its name, it's a real dog. A real lack of power for an 1100cc engine and not particularly well-handling either. A real shame, as it is a rather nice looking bike. Chris Weaver --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Son of V-Max. V-Max Redux. Return of the V-Max. > V-Max Episode II. Cool. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > > Speaking of lovely Euro bikes, how come we can't get > this beauty? > > http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/BT1100/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AFTwl18000 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STmaven@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id a.84.28226edc (15889); Fri, 10 May 2002 11:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.133]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v84.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-0510112931; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:29:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:25:21 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: R6 Group Ride Message-ID: <12E1D014.72C56DA5.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Other bikes are welcome. But our goal is to make sure that the majority of the bikes are R6's. But I welcome your and your buddies to join us. We are planning the ride the weekend of May 18. In a message dated Fri, 10 May 2002 M- 9:28:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: >Is this only for people with R6's? > > -----Original Message----- >From: M- STmaven@XXXXXX [mailto:STmaven@XXXXXX] >Sent: M- Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:47 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: M- M- R6 Group Ride > >Hello everyone. M- We are putting together a R6 group ride. M- Me and a bunch of >guys from around the area are planning a group ride out to the Skyline area. >I was wondering if anyone would like to join us. > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 11:37:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AFbol18227 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510153746.84898.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:37:46 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: RE: Track Day Bike - (wedding?) To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yup, that's me. We still haven't gotten the money back, we have our credit card company going after it. We did talk with a lawyer and they said that the Inn did breach the contract and would have to refund our deposit, we are hoping to keep it out of the courts though so hopefully the credit card company will be successful. Btw - tell everyone you know to avoid the Inn at Stringfellow Farm like the plague!! --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Are you the guy that was fighting for the outdoor > wedding? If so what > happened with that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen cutchins > [mailto:stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:17 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Fwd: Re: Track Day Bike - SPAM > > I'm getting married in one month __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 12:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AGNEl19057 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510162314.54358.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:23:14 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:23:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride To: STmaven@XXXXXX, RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <12E1D014.72C56DA5.001912B6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > Other bikes are welcome. But our goal is to make sure > that the majority of the bikes are R6's. never understood this. i guess whatever those guys caught -- 100+ of 'em were spotted riding around together in their miatas! -- is downright contagious. a real shame to see that happen to a human. > But I welcome > your and your buddies to join us. We are planning the > ride the weekend of May 18. > > > In a message dated Fri, 10 May 2002 M- 9:28:23 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > >Is this only for people with R6's? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 12:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AGeXl19306 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4AGeQ215334 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:40:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510123816.0231f008@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:40:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride In-Reply-To: <20020510162314.54358.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <12E1D014.72C56DA5.001912B6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:23 PM 5/10/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >i guess whatever those guys caught -- 100+ of 'em were >spotted riding around together in their miatas! -- is >downright contagious. a real shame to see that happen to a >human. I saw those miatas. They gathered at the Hermitage Inn parking lot in Clifton before racing off to clog the local arteries; with mostly middle aged drivers who thought this car would get them laid again. What they needed was a bike, and a micrometer. I feel a lot safer on a bike than I ever would in one of those little tin cans. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 13:13:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AHD1l19885 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:13:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZJJnyuAouiqVad4zPflOgt9G5ayHTNGxozTRdpTtWJzbTo1xUQJJYL Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 176Dwv-0005px-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:12:57 -0400 Message-ID: <02b101c1f845$eccb68b0$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: , References: Subject: Re: Lasers Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:12:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 LASER is not a laser. in fact, it is actually called LIDAR. it's an acronym for Light Detection And Ranging. Many people call it LASER because it is similar to RADAR (also acronym). It has nothing to do with laser and uses IR light radiation(not laser) for ranging distance(and then compute speed from it) While LIDAR works completely differently from RADAR(RADAR will actually read lower speed if measured at an angle), it makes very little difference in court. Yes, you must have vehicle traveling directly towards to or away from you. But, most jurisdictions have them on "legal notice" (term?). So the judge don't know, don't understand, and don't CARE about technical difficulties of using them on MC. They simply except it as evidence. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Lasers In a message dated 5/10/2002 8:37:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gavinman@XXXXXX writes: > The laser has to spread to be able to bounce back and > work. I repeat, if the beam itself spreads it just aint a laser, and the time on just dont matter at all, nor does the power, a laser is a laser is a laser. Now once reflected the beam is scattered, _and not a laser anymore_, just light, so the reflection back may be 3ft. wide, but a laser by definition does not spread. (traveling through air will refract individual photons so over distance (miles and miles) a laser beam will break down, but not 1000ft.) > But I'd like to see you > shoot your pencil thin laser for 3/10ths of a second at a moving car and > have it bounce back to exactly where you shot it from It donM-bM-^@M-^Yt gotta go back to the exact same point. In fact unless it hit an object EXACTLY perpendicular to it a laser absolutely cannot return to its point of origin anymore then a Q ball hitting a bumper at an angle could return to the Q stick. (Yes I know, a skilled player using _multiple_ bounces could do it, but that aint what we are talking about.) As stated above the _reflection_ spreads, that is why everyone in a room can see the spot made by my laser pointer in class. BUT what they are seeing is a spot of normal light made by the laser striking a surface, they cannot see the laser beam itself, unless it hits them in the eye (a very bad idea.) By the way in 3/10ths of a sec. the light has traveled _only_ 55,800mi. The point? You cant evade it if you donM-bM-^@M-^Yt understand it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 13:17:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AHHhl19966 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bjarney (4J32I.cm.gscyclone.com [24.206.12.171]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04509 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:17:41 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020510133119.046030c8@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:31:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:40 PM 5/10/02 -0400, you wrote: >At 12:23 PM 5/10/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >>i guess whatever those guys caught -- 100+ of 'em were >>spotted riding around together in their miatas! -- is >>downright contagious. a real shame to see that happen to a >>human. > >I saw those miatas. They gathered at the Hermitage Inn parking lot in >Clifton before racing off to clog the local arteries; with mostly middle >aged drivers who thought this car would get them laid again. Uh, maybe they liked driving a small roadster that handles very well? Miatas enjoy a very big following, with a large number of their owners racing and modifying them. And no, I don't drive a Miata, but I do have a nice, quick roadster ;-) >What they needed was a bike, and a micrometer. I feel a lot safer on a >bike than I ever would in one of those little tin cans. As much as bikers are stereotyped, you'd think we would avoid it ourselves. Motocontent - I took the day off and I'm heading out to ride :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 13:19:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from sunny1.pacific.net.ph (sunny1.pacific.net.ph [210.23.234.92]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AHJ1l19978 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop2.pacific.net.ph (pop2.pacific.net.ph [210.23.234.90]) by sunny1.pacific.net.ph with ESMTP id g4AHIkN17376 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:18:46 +0800 (PHT) Received: from Pgr (adsl-63-203-73-187.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.203.73.187]) by pop2.pacific.net.ph with SMTP id BAA09196 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:18:32 +0800 (PHT) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 01:18:32 +0800 (PHT) Message-Id: <200205101718.BAA09196@pop2.pacific.net.ph> From: larsonrw To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Marginheight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=U441e75s8H6X099 --U441e75s8H6X099 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 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//////////////////8BAP7/AwoAAP////8GCQIAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGGAAAAE1pY3Jvc29m dCBXb3JkIERvY3VtZW50AAoAAABNU1dvcmREb2MAEAAAAFdvcmQuRG9jdW1lbnQuOAD0ObJx AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD== --U441e75s8H6X099-- From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 13:25:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AHP0l20102 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g4AHPrU03213 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lasers In-Reply-To: <02b101c1f845$eccb68b0$7d687b3f@ducman> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 May 2002, Genna Melamed wrote: > > LASER is not a laser. in fact, it is actually called LIDAR. it's an > acronym for Light Detection And Ranging. > ... > from you. But, most jurisdictions have them on "legal notice" (term?). So > the judge don't know, don't understand, and don't CARE about technical > difficulties of using them on MC. They simply except it as evidence. Woo! The more exceptions to evidence the better. Now, if the courts just accept it, then we're in trouble. Why aren't well all out riding? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 13:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AHYMl20279 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:34:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa5tEcJTPtv1gavmvR+cfJReVrktL79sEjOrNyuTCPm4ALAFMRF3aWfCA8Ste4iIY4= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 176EHd-0003Qt-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:34:21 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Adult Ridden Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:34:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Whatever age I am plus 5. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: RichH@XXXXXX [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:29 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Adult Ridden > > > At what age can one say adult ridden when selling a bike? > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 13:37:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11103.mail.yahoo.com (web11103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AHbSl20377 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510173727.8138.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:37:27 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:37:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020510133119.046030c8@noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, Wayne. That gathering was for a nationwide Miata Owners' Club convention, by the way. I bought a Miata for the purposes of backroad carving and the relaxation and freedom of top-down driving. (I'm autocrossing it tomorrow as a matter of fact.) I'm not the only one on this list with both vehicles either. You'd THINK that folks who own motorcycles would understand these motives, but I suppose that's too much to ask. By the way, I don't fit into any of the commonly-held stereotypes of these great cars nor, I suspect, do the majority of others who drive them. It suprises me very little that Tom Gimer would come out with such a closed-minded, negative, and jackassed opinion on this topic. What a shame that a life is wasted on an individual such as this. Chris Weaver --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > At 12:40 PM 5/10/02 -0400, you wrote: > >At 12:23 PM 5/10/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > >>i guess whatever those guys caught -- 100+ of 'em > were > >>spotted riding around together in their miatas! -- > is > >>downright contagious. a real shame to see that > happen to a > >>human. > > > >I saw those miatas. They gathered at the Hermitage > Inn parking lot in > >Clifton before racing off to clog the local > arteries; with mostly middle > >aged drivers who thought this car would get them > laid again. > > Uh, maybe they liked driving a small roadster that > handles very well? > Miatas enjoy a very big following, with a large > number of their owners > racing and modifying them. > > And no, I don't drive a Miata, but I do have a nice, > quick roadster ;-) > > >What they needed was a bike, and a micrometer. I > feel a lot safer on a > >bike than I ever would in one of those little tin > cans. > > As much as bikers are stereotyped, you'd think we > would avoid it ourselves. > > > Motocontent - I took the day off and I'm heading out > to ride :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 13:41:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10007.mail.yahoo.com (web10007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AHfWl20430 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510174130.34432.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.59.128.101] by web10007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:41:30 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:41:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Adult Ridden To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When you attach the side car. --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > At what age can one say adult ridden when selling a bike? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 13:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11101.mail.yahoo.com (web11101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AHfrl20435 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510174153.16984.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:41:53 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:41:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510123816.0231f008@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh and thanks a lot Mike for your opinion of my car too. And yes, my car has gotten me laid. Happen to you lately? :^P Chris Weaver --- Troutman wrote: > At 12:23 PM 5/10/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > >i guess whatever those guys caught -- 100+ of 'em > were > >spotted riding around together in their miatas! -- > is > >downright contagious. a real shame to see that > happen to a > >human. > > I saw those miatas. They gathered at the Hermitage > Inn parking lot in > Clifton before racing off to clog the local > arteries; with mostly middle > aged drivers who thought this car would get them > laid again. > > What they needed was a bike, and a micrometer. I > feel a lot safer on a > bike than I ever would in one of those little tin > cans. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:42:09 -0400 Message-ID: <041001c1f84a$025d45a0$7000080a@dc.Blackboard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2002 17:42:09.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[02751360:01C1F84A] ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has detected virus-infected attachment(s). Sender = larsonrw Recipient(s) = dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject = Marginheight Scanning Time = 05/10/2002 13:42:09 Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/277 Action on virus found: The attachment snoopy.scr contains WORM_KLEZ.H virus. ScanMail has Moved it. The attachment was moved to C:\Program Files\Trend\Smex\Virus\snoopy3cdc0671f2.scr_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 13:53:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org (mail.troutman.org [209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AHrNl20903 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4AHrC215465 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:53:13 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510135017.0236fad0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:52:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride In-Reply-To: <20020510174153.16984.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510123816.0231f008@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:41 PM 5/10/2002, you wrote: >Oh and thanks a lot Mike for your opinion of my car >too. And yes, my car has gotten me laid. Happen to you >lately? :^P Boy, you all have a tough time with sarcasm. Didn't you read the part about bike owners and micrometers? Indicating, of course, that we all ride penis extensions. Oh wait, that is just a stereotype, right Wayne? Geez, if the email fits you, _then_ complain. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 14:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AI3kl21088 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STmaven@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.12d.11081406 (15877) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m21.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.137]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v84.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-0510140314; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:03:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:02:57 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: R6 Group Ride Message-ID: <3A217D2C.4085B0DD.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I agree the Miatas are sweet cars and always been a fan of the car. I drive a tank of a car the clk and I know the Miata would take me in the twisties. This was suppose to be a post for a group ride how did we get off topic and start taking about cars? :\ I take it that Tom doesn't want to join us for the R6 group ride. :P everyone else is welcome :) In a message dated Fri, 10 May 2002 M- 1:41:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Weaver writes: >Thanks, Wayne. > >That gathering was for a nationwide Miata Owners' Club >convention, by the way. > >I bought a Miata for the purposes of backroad carving >and the relaxation and freedom of top-down driving. >(I'm autocrossing it tomorrow as a matter of fact.) >I'm not the only one on this list with both vehicles >either. You'd THINK that folks who own motorcycles >would understand these motives, but I suppose that's >too much to ask. By the way, I don't fit into any of >the commonly-held stereotypes of these great cars nor, >I suspect, do the majority of others who drive them. > >It suprises me very little that Tom Gimer would come >out with such a closed-minded, negative, and jackassed >opinion on this topic. What a shame that a life is >wasted on an individual such as this. > >Chris Weaver > > > > >--- Wayne Edelen wrote: >> At 12:40 PM 5/10/02 -0400, you wrote: >> >At 12:23 PM 5/10/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >> >>i guess whatever those guys caught -- 100+ of 'em >> were >> >>spotted riding around together in their miatas! -- >> is >> >>downright contagious. M- a real shame to see that >> happen to a >> >>human. >> > >> >I saw those miatas. M- They gathered at the Hermitage >> Inn parking lot in >> >Clifton before racing off to clog the local >> arteries; with mostly middle >> >aged drivers who thought this car would get them >> laid again. >> >> Uh, maybe they liked driving a small roadster that >> handles very well? >> Miatas enjoy a very big following, with a large >> number of their owners >> racing and modifying them. >> >> And no, I don't drive a Miata, but I do have a nice, >> quick roadster M- ;-) >> >> >What they needed was a bike, and a micrometer. M- I >> feel a lot safer on a >> >bike than I ever would in one of those little tin >> cans. >> >> As much as bikers are stereotyped, you'd think we >> would avoid it ourselves. >> >> >> Motocontent - I took the day off and I'm heading out >> to ride M- :-) >> >> -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! >http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 14:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AIPTl21511 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510182529.83850.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:25:29 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride To: Chris Weaver , Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020510173727.8138.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Thanks, Wayne. > > That gathering was for a nationwide Miata Owners' Club > convention, by the way. i've seen the same shit with mr2s (our very own glenn dysart was a party to that one).... with bmw m3s, with [fill in make/model], etc. > I bought a Miata for the purposes of backroad carving > and the relaxation and freedom of top-down driving. > (I'm autocrossing it tomorrow as a matter of fact.) > I'm not the only one on this list with both vehicles > either. You'd THINK that folks who own motorcycles > would understand these motives, but I suppose that's > too much to ask. By the way, I don't fit into any of > the commonly-held stereotypes of these great cars nor, > I suspect, do the majority of others who drive them. > > It suprises me very little that Tom Gimer would come > out with such a closed-minded, negative, and jackassed > opinion on this topic. What a shame that a life is > wasted on an individual such as this. chris, you're too easy... and goddamn are you touchy! i can just see you redfaced and biting your lip while you angrily type your responses. point out my "opinion" please, then determine if it fits with your response. i think you'll find that my "opinion" is merely: it shouldn't take owning the same fucking vehicle to get 100+ owner-enthusiasts together FOR A DRIVE. to me, it's odd that rides/drives would be limited to the same make/model. a convention is one thing.... but a drive? apparently there is a world out there that believes this is appropriate.... and it's spreading! so be it. i own neither an r6, a superhawk, or a miata.... so i guess we won't be enjoying each others' company anytime soon. you also refer to your "motives" of backroad carving and the freedom of top-down driving. explain to me how these relate AT ALL to my comments. nobody criticized those motives. nobody. why would we? we're friggin cyclists. the criticism/humor (however you see it) comes from the exclusivity aspect of these get togethers. you wanna address that? -- tg > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > At 12:40 PM 5/10/02 -0400, you wrote: > > >At 12:23 PM 5/10/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >>i guess whatever those guys caught -- 100+ of 'em > > were > > >>spotted riding around together in their miatas! -- > > is > > >>downright contagious. a real shame to see that > > happen to a > > >>human. > > > > > >I saw those miatas. They gathered at the Hermitage > > Inn parking lot in > > >Clifton before racing off to clog the local > > arteries; with mostly middle > > >aged drivers who thought this car would get them > > laid again. > > > > Uh, maybe they liked driving a small roadster that > > handles very well? > > Miatas enjoy a very big following, with a large > > number of their owners > > racing and modifying them. > > > > And no, I don't drive a Miata, but I do have a nice, > > quick roadster ;-) > > > > >What they needed was a bike, and a micrometer. I > > feel a lot safer on a > > >bike than I ever would in one of those little tin > > cans. > > > > As much as bikers are stereotyped, you'd think we > > would avoid it ourselves. > > > > > > Motocontent - I took the day off and I'm heading out > > to ride :-) > > > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 14:40:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from grissom.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AIeGl21779 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by grissom.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g4AIh1501409 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:43:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:39:15 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:38:56 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Re: R6 Group Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4AIeHl21780 Can I drive a Miata to the R6 group ride? >I take it that Tom doesn't want to join us for the R6 group ride. :P >everyone else is welcome :) > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 14:52:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AIqPl22015 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STmaven@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id n.1bc.170c0c2 (15876); Fri, 10 May 2002 14:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-d09.webmail.aol.com [205.188.138.73]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v84.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-0510145204; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:52:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:47:50 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: George.Cole@XXXXXX ("George Cole"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: R6 Group Ride Message-ID: <432B797D.7BAC7223.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That funny b/c we have a person that races Miata in our Forum. That's cool by me if you would like to come out. You can be our pace car. :) In a message dated Fri, 10 May 2002 M- 2:40:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "George Cole" writes: >Can I drive a Miata to the R6 group ride? > >>I take it that Tom doesn't want to join us for the R6 group ride. :P > >>everyone else is welcome to come :) > >> > > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 14:55:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11107.mail.yahoo.com (web11107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AItKl22046 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510185519.75895.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:55:19 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020510182529.83850.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry, Tom. I just get my nose a bit bent out of joint when people bad-mouth my personal choice of transportation. I think I also attributed someone else's comments to you based on some odd quoting. My fault. But to address you questions, Chris --- Tom Gimer wrote: > chris, you're too easy... and goddamn are you > touchy! i I can be, yes. I've heard enough "chick car" comments to last me a lifetime, many from your own arch-enemy Chuck. > can just see you redfaced and biting your lip while > you > angrily type your responses. Not really, but I wasn't picking daisies either. > i think you'll find that my > "opinion" > is merely: it shouldn't take owning the same fucking > vehicle to get 100+ owner-enthusiasts together FOR A > DRIVE. Sounds like the beltway to me. I don't enjoy that too much, nor do I like 100+ vehicle rides/drives either. > we won't be enjoying each others' company anytime > soon. I don't think either of us are shedding tears over that. > you also refer to your "motives" of backroad carving > and > the freedom of top-down driving. explain to me how > these > relate AT ALL to my comments. See my first paragraph. My fault. > the criticism/humor (however you see it) comes from > the > exclusivity aspect of these get togethers. you > wanna > address that? Sorta like bike nights? We all like to get together with other enthusiasts with the same tastes. Some are Miata lovers, some are motorcyclists, some are S&M deviants. Who cares? What's to make fun of? To each their own. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 14:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AItwl22056 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510185557.89137.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:55:57 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re: R6 Group Ride To: STmaven@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3A217D2C.4085B0DD.001912B6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > > I take it that Tom doesn't want to join us for the R6 > group ride. :P no thanks, but if you're heading up to skyline drive, you'll probably want to keep this name/number handy: carleton penn, iii, esq. 703 591-4900 consider planning your ride further south or west. your elitist snob participants will appreciate it. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 15:02:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AJ2Gl22274 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.81.1b78d498 (25916) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:02:03 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <81.1b78d498.2a0d732a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:02:02 EDT Subject: Re: Lasers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/10/2002 1:13:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, genna@XXXXXX writes: > While LIDAR works completely differently from RADAR(RADAR will actually read > lower speed if measured at an angle), Ok, gotta explain that one. I can see no way that LIDAR can work that does not have the same cosine error that radar has. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 15:03:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AJ3Ll22284 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (07-046.068.popsite.net [64.24.90.46]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 661A6365FB2 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000701c1f855$af0789e0$2e5a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Let the flames - Begin! Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:05:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 The following is cross-posted from the Harley list I'm on. I'll let you all form your own opinions... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Article about bikers Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:13:38 -0400 After reading this, send your comments to: Sentinel & Enterprise 808 Main St., P.O. Box 730 Fitchburg, MA 01420 Phone (978) 343-6911 Letters to the Editor: Letters@XXXXXX the author, Paul Wieland, directly.. http://www.fatv.org/contacts.htm Monday, May 06, 2002 - 5:21:53 AM MST Of springtime, bikers, and starch By Paul Wieland, executive director of Fitchburg Community Television. They come as if the results of a warm day's hatch. If you're caught unawares, they seem to fill your senses, buzzing angrily and clouding your vision; swarming around you and threatening to attack. They are certain harbingers of full spring in New England. May flies? Black flies? Yellow jackets? Mosquitoes? None of the above. For it's the time of the biker of which we speak, the phalanxes of motorcyclists who hit the roads as spring takes away black ice, and replaces it with black mood when one is stuck behind columns and rows of the bikers careening down the tarmac. Perhaps this is being too harsh.We all have been told of the wonderful things biker groups do to serve their communities, raising money for good causes, holding Marlon Brando look-alike contests. We realize they serve as a rough-edged form of population control, as the wildest sub-species of bikers annually spins itself into oblivion against dozens of New England trees and Massachusetts stone walls. Those of us! familiar with the annual Darwin Awards, which go to people who kill themselves in most creative and stupid ways, find there's a who genre of bikers who are Darwin candidates every day. Consider riding down Route 12 heading north towards New Hampshire and finding oneself being passed on a blind curve by an idiot on a motorcycle who is weaving by you and other drivers at 20 miles per hour faster than traffic is moving. Scares the hell out of you, doesn't it? No, whatever it is that drives men and women to buy and drive motorcycles on public rights-of-way, it isn't common sense. Unless common sense is not seriously considering how fast one can die when thrown from the seat of a speeding Harley which suddenly stops speeding before your body does. I have a friend who has don! e a very informal observational study of bikers, and he has a chicken-and-egg theory about what makes them tick or is it "varoom"? One word, he says."Starch." I was puzzled at the least when he first said "starch" and I demanded an explanation." Did you ever notice how many bikers are really big people?" he asked. "I mean there are some guys and gals who make cruiserweights look like bathtub dinghies. They are so big, I'm convinced they do the weight thing to keep from exiting those Harleys and Suzuki's at high speed."Those bikes are really heavy and really powerful, and if you don't watch, they'll get away from you in a trice. So the best thing is to weigh as much as you can. That way you won't fly off as easily." So what does "starch" have to do with this, I asked him, thinking of the kind I get on my dress shirts at the laundry. "If you really want to be heavy and stay on your bike, it's logical you have to eat a lot of starchy foods, like french fries, rice, or taro root. "Now it isn't easy to ride from place to place and try and eat greasy foods like that, particularly if you wear leather gauntlets like any good biker. The food gets cold quickly as you motor down the road. And how do you hold taro root or rice balls with gauntlets on? So it's not a very appetizing way to get the starch you need to keep the bike connected with your copious seat. "The answer, said my friend, is beer. "Beer is about the starchiest substance you can drink," he said. "It can be consumed directly from bottle or can, cold or tepid, and it remains palatabl! e under any circumstances. If a biker really needs a starch fix, there are a million places to grab a six-pack along the road. And six-packs fit neatly into a saddlebag over the rear wheel. "My friend insists that bikers are out running around all day in warm weather because they need to replenish their starch shortage from a winter in hibernation. "Just how many bikers do you see in the winter anyway?" he asked. "They must go into caves or under rock projections to stay out of the cold and snow. And that means all summer they need to scramble to get enough starch into their bodies so they can live through the winter hibernation period. "My friend has convinced me. I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that bikers act the way they do out on the road because of that irresistible need to find starch. Why else would a pa! ck of them risk their lives and sometimes ours to pass us on the highway, and then turn off at the next road house which has a flashing neon "cold beer" sign hanging in a front window?And it's a pretty sure thing none of the ones I've seen drink "light" beer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For Sale) "We're all here 'cause we're not all there" From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 15:10:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from grissom.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AJABl22419 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by grissom.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g4AJCt506766 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:12:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:09:09 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:08:49 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4AJACl22420 Girl Car... >>> Chris Weaver 05/10/02 02:55PM >>> Sorry, Tom. I just get my nose a bit bent out of joint when people bad-mouth my personal choice of transportation. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 15:10:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AJAjl22429 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w049 ([168.144.108.49]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 10 May 2002 15:10:44 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: R6 Group Ride Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:10:44 -0400 To: "chris_vtr@XXXXXX" , "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2002 19:10:45.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[62D867F0:01C1F856] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4AJAkl22430 Do not drag me into this. You guys are just wasting bandwidth. Don't you have real jobs that require you to work? Grow up. Get a life. Geez. Original Message: ----------------- I can be, yes. I've heard enough "chick car" comments to last me a lifetime, many from your own arch-enemy Chuck. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 15:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11107.mail.yahoo.com (web11107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AJC6l22501 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510191206.77690.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:12:06 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride To: George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't take George too seriously, folks. He drives a **Honda CRV**. Chris Weaver --- George Cole wrote: > Girl Car... > > >>> Chris Weaver 05/10/02 > 02:55PM >>> > Sorry, Tom. I just get my nose a bit bent out of > joint > when people bad-mouth my personal choice of > transportation. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 15:54:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4AJsLl23220 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020510195420.11707.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.249] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:54:20 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020510185519.75895.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Sorry, Tom. I just get my nose a bit bent out of joint > when people bad-mouth my personal choice of > transportation. I think I also attributed someone > else's comments to you based on some odd quoting. My > fault. apology.... acc...acc...ACCEPTED! whew, didn't think that was gonna come out! > > we won't be enjoying each others' company anytime > > soon. > > I don't think either of us are shedding tears over > that. actually, chris, if you had accepted my invitation to ride with us last year, we could easily be friends right now. i hope that were you to receive another invite, you wouldn't pre-judge our group by MY presence in it. > > the criticism/humor (however you see it) comes from > > the > > exclusivity aspect of these get togethers. you > > wanna > > address that? > > Sorta like bike nights? We all like to get together > with other enthusiasts with the same tastes. Some are > Miata lovers, some are motorcyclists, some are S&M > deviants. Who cares? What's to make fun of? To each > their own. if i had known there were s&m deviants at these things, i would have attended already. ;) -- tg (like i don't endure enough pain here at work!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 16:03:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AK38l23410 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id h.130.e1cca1e (4241); Fri, 10 May 2002 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <130.e1cca1e.2a0d811a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:01:30 EDT Subject: Re: Let the flames - Begin! To: HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: biffbamm@XXXXXX, mark@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_130.e1cca1e.2a0d811a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 --part1_130.e1cca1e.2a0d811a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not only is this article offensive and small minded...it comes from somebody with delusions of literary adequacy. Has the author ever taken a driver skills improvement course? Voluntarily? Or is he mired in the evil biker stereotype like many of his minivan driving breatheren? ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Article about bikers > Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:13:38 -0400 > > After reading this, send your comments to: > > Sentinel & Enterprise > 808 Main St., P.O. Box 730 > Fitchburg, MA 01420 > Phone (978) 343-6911 > Letters to the Editor: Letters@XXXXXX > > the author, Paul Wieland, directly.. > http://www.fatv.org/contacts.htm > > Monday, May 06, 2002 - 5:21:53 AM MST > > Of springtime, bikers, and starch > By Paul Wieland, executive director of Fitchburg Community Television. > --part1_130.e1cca1e.2a0d811a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Not only is this article offensive and small minded...it comes from somebody with delusions of literary adequacy.

Has the author ever taken a driver skills improvement course?  Voluntarily?  Or is he mired in the evil biker stereotype like many of his minivan driving breatheren?


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Subject: Article about bikers
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:13:38 -0400

After reading this, send your comments to:

Sentinel & Enterprise
808 Main St., P.O. Box 730
Fitchburg, MA 01420
Phone (978) 343-6911
Letters to the Editor: Letters@XXXXXX

the author, Paul Wieland, directly..
http://www.fatv.org/contacts.htm

Monday, May 06, 2002 - 5:21:53 AM MST

Of springtime, bikers, and starch
By Paul Wieland, executive director of Fitchburg Community Television.


 --part1_130.e1cca1e.2a0d811a_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 16:41:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AKfMl24012 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176HCT-00045a-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:41:13 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510163001.00cefdc8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:42:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride In-Reply-To: <20020510162314.54358.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <12E1D014.72C56DA5.001912B6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:23 PM 5/10/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > > Other bikes are welcome. But our goal is to make sure > > that the majority of the bikes are R6's. > >never understood this. > >i guess whatever those guys caught -- 100+ of 'em were >spotted riding around together in their miatas! -- is >downright contagious. a real shame to see that happen to a >human. I've never understood it either, but every marque club (mostly cars) sooner or later becomes an intolerant cult.The slightest non-praise -- let alone criticism -- becomes heresy. At least the DC Miata club has merged into the greater Mazda sports car club, and includes RX-7s, etc., so it's not as bad as some. They do have some good seasonal mass tours, which might be what you saw. Still, I've always avoided the "Hey, aren't we great for owning Miatas?" mob pictures during club days at Summit Point. Now I could understand it if they were Lotuses. 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 17:14:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ALEGl24567 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176HiC-00048E-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:14:00 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510165026.00cd0ce8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:15:40 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510123816.0231f008@mail.troutman.org> References: <20020510162314.54358.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> <12E1D014.72C56DA5.001912B6@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:40 PM 5/10/2002, Troutman wrote: >I saw those miatas. They gathered at the Hermitage Inn parking lot in >Clifton before racing off to clog the local arteries; with mostly middle >aged drivers who thought this car would get them laid again. Wow, you're a charitable guy, Mike. You could tell at a glance that very few of them were people who've owned two-seater open sports cars since they got their licenses, long before you were born, eh? Besides, the people you've described all buy Corvettes. >What they needed was a bike, and a micrometer. I feel a lot safer on a >bike than I ever would in one of those little tin cans. A lot of those "little tin cans" are prepped more than most dc-cycles rides, which is why B-stock and B Street Prepared are the largest Solo I and II classes in DC and the rest of the country, and why the Spec Miata class was recently created. I *know* that I'm a hell of a lot safer in my Miata than I am on my bikes. And if my little Miata comes a cropper against some of those triple-digit lane-splitting idiots on the Beltway, I have a pretty good idea who's going to walk away from the carnage and who isn't. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 17:20:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ALKnl24752 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176Hoh-0004pH-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:20:43 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510171759.00caacc0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:22:24 -0400 To: "Genna Melamed" , From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Lasers In-Reply-To: <02b101c1f845$eccb68b0$7d687b3f@ducman> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:12 PM 5/10/2002, Genna Melamed wrote: >LASER is not a laser. in fact, it is actually called LIDAR. it's an >acronym for Light Detection And Ranging. > >Many people call it LASER because it is similar to RADAR (also acronym). From http://pcl.physics.uwo.ca/pclhtml/introlidar/introlidarf.html: ================= 1. What's a Lidar? A lidar is similar to the more familiar radar, and can be thought of as a laser radar. In a radar, radio waves are transmitted into the atmosphere, which scatters some of the power back to the radar's receiver. A lidar also transmits and receives electromagnetic radiation, but at a higher frequency. Lidars operate in the ultraviolet, visible and infrared region of the electromagnetic spectrum.... The lidar's transmitter is a laser, while its receiver is an optical telescope. ================= -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 17:27:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ALRvl24871 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176HvV-0005v2-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:27:46 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510172330.00ca0f40@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:29:26 -0400 To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Lasers In-Reply-To: References: <02b101c1f845$eccb68b0$7d687b3f@ducman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:25 PM 5/10/2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >Why aren't well all out riding? I just got back from a nice day playing hookey, riding the 919 down mostly back roads to Scotland Beach at the southern tip of St. Mary's County, then swinging by Clinton Cycles on the way home. Saw about a dozen Harleys, four or five sportbikes, and that's it. Gorgeous day, but too many bugs -- I need a windshield on that thing. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 17:37:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ALbTl25057 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176I4u-0002M8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:37:28 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510173216.00cd1d78@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:39:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020510133119.046030c8@noid.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:31 PM 5/10/2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: >And no, I don't drive a Miata, but I do have a nice, quick roadster ;-) This confused me, since I'd only seen your Fireplucker pages, so I looked again, and -- nice new AMG ride! So when are you going to come out and play (autocross)? We haven't hand an AMG SLK out before. 8;) Next date is May 19th at Rosecroft Raceway -- http://members.aol.com/mwcscc/mw-ax.htm, for anyone who's into four wheel sport as well as two. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 17:45:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ALjll25230 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176ICt-00053C-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:45:43 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510174645.00ceea60@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:47:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Re: Re: R6 Group Ride In-Reply-To: <432B797D.7BAC7223.001912B6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:47 PM 5/10/2002, STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: >That funny b/c we have a person that races Miata in our Forum. More than one, I'm almost certain. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 17:50:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ALofl25348 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176IHg-00039x-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:50:41 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510174805.00cee958@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:52:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Re: R6 Group Ride In-Reply-To: <20020510185557.89137.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3A217D2C.4085B0DD.001912B6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:55 PM 5/10/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >consider planning your ride further south or west. your >elitist snob participants will appreciate it. ;) Elitists? On Suzukis? Riding R6s on the road for more than half an hour, more like cult masochists. Somebody queue Tom Lehrer doing the Masochism Tango... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 17:54:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ALs8l25384 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176IL1-0007Bf-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:54:07 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510175351.00cb9608@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:55:48 -0400 To: "Howard J. Koontz" , From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Let the flames - Begin! In-Reply-To: <000701c1f855$af0789e0$2e5a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:05 PM 5/10/2002, Howard J. Koontz wrote: >The following is cross-posted from the Harley list I'm on. I'll let you all >form your own opinions... Starch and beer: best justification for weekly Bike Nights I've seen yet. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 17:56:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ALuMl25424 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176INA-0001uI-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:56:20 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510175706.00cf3cc8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:58:01 -0400 To: "George Cole" , From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:08 PM 5/10/2002, George Cole wrote: >Girl Car... Yep, in the same sense that an SV-650 is a girl's bike. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 17:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4ALvWl25506 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176IOI-0003FO-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:57:30 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510175846.00cccee8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:59:11 -0400 To: Chris Weaver , George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride In-Reply-To: <20020510191206.77690.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:12 PM 5/10/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: >Don't take George too seriously, folks. He drives a >**Honda CRV**. Cojones Removal Vehicle? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 18:30:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AMUPl26117 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer ([67.201.25.106]) by cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 10 May 2002 15:29:40 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: tire profiles Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:31:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2002 22:29:41.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D4BFF40:01C1F872] I just got some new tires for my r1. They are 207's. I went with a 180 tire in the back, instead of the usual 190 r1 rear tire. Same tire up front, so i thought. But the store installed a 120/60 tire, i didnt know this existed? What does this mean? Will it handle weirdly with the 180 tire in the rear? I have a track day tommorow.. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 18:42:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-1.cais.net (stmpy-1.cais.net [205.252.14.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4AMg5l26362 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (216.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.216]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g4AMg0e54836 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005201c1f873$73c06280$c338e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC DMV semismile Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:38:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 For DC listers: The DMV is trying! At 301 C street this am parked in new "Motorcycle Parking" (about 30 yards west of, same side as, entrance). V e r r y sweet. Note that C STREET IS NOW ONE-WAY from 6th to 3rd (eastbound). The signs were just going up. And the area seems much more organized. Not all smiles, however. Seems that the anti-theft program (mentioned on the list) hasn't settled into routines there (the DMV, not police, are the channel) and, while there were brochures on the side, the front infopeople had no knowledge. Signup is available on the web, apparently, but the brochure I picked up and only glanced at got misplaced later. Duh. So when anyone gets the details, post 'em. Witnessed an almost-splatter -- bicycle by an Emergency Vehicle -- in unusual circumstances. The place -- NY-Conn-Mst NW. I'm on NY headed west a few cars back waiting at light. The usual mishmash of peds, cars, waiters, turners, etc. at this 5-way where lots of people are going their own directions when they spot an opening. Sirens. EV from the left, headed north on Conn Ave. and apparently bound through the intersection. Appropriate traffic stopped, peds etc. keep moving N-S. A couple of bicycle messengers cutting alongside peds. Hey! Major surprise! The EV pulls a right from the center of Conn to go up NY just as one msgr does a sprinty thing, having written off the truck as a non-threat. EV stops about 3 inches from msgr whose pants are now brown. Lots of jaws scraping the asphalt as turn caught most offguard. Time stands still, starts again. Lesson. EV's follow their own rules. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> "Motorcycle parking" at the DMV! Ahhhhhh, such status. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 20:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4B0Kil27989 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-64.157.53.186.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.53.186] helo=michael) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176Kcp-0004Fj-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:20:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c1f881$add854b0$ba359d40@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: Subject: Re: Adult Ridden Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:20:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > At what age can one say adult ridden when selling a bike? I'm pushing 57 pretty hard, and I don't think that I'd use that phrase... YMMV Michael (whaddaya mean, second childhood? I'm not finished with the first one yet.) J. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 21:11:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (boo-mda02.boo.net [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4B1Brl28712 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 21:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Bubaleh (dc-lata-1-87.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [162.33.62.87]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA12224 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 21:11:51 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c1f888$d52d96e0$6e3f21a2@Bubaleh> From: "Janey & Kurt" To: References: <200205102300.g4AN07626633@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: Track Day Bike & NESBA Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:11:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Thanks to all those who offered advice about the best track day/street bike for my situation. Several of you suggested the F4/F4i, which was already high on my list. I plan to make as many Summit Point track days as I can, so I hope to meet some of you out there. On that note, any opinions re the relative merits of Team Pro-motion vs. NESBA? I rode with Team Pro-motion on Monday, but I've never ridden with NESBA. Thanks again. -Kurt From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 22:04:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4B24Ll29586 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 22:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bjarney (4J32I.cm.gscyclone.com [24.206.12.171]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14908 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:04:14 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020510221755.04e0be44@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:17:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: R6 Group Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:39 PM 5/10/02 -0400, you wrote: >At 01:31 PM 5/10/2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >>And no, I don't drive a Miata, but I do have a nice, quick roadster ;-) > >This confused me, since I'd only seen your Fireplucker pages, so I looked >again, and -- nice new AMG ride! > >So when are you going to come out and play (autocross)? We haven't hand an >AMG SLK out before. 8;) I have autox'd my Firechicken. ~450hp, 4.11 gears and street tires! It's actually SM legal (well mostly). I'd be more inclined to autox my Audi S4 than my Mercedes :-) >Next date is May 19th at Rosecroft Raceway -- >http://members.aol.com/mwcscc/mw-ax.htm, for anyone who's into four wheel >sport as well as two. I've done autoxes at Harry Grove Stadium (and some other non-local events). I'm planning at least a FATT up at SP this year, too (if I get the motor back in the car) :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 22:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4B2BXl29708 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 22:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bjarney (4J32I.cm.gscyclone.com [24.206.12.171]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA15071 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:11:32 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020510222513.04e0a5f8@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:25:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Riding today (was R6 Group Ride) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:31 PM 5/10/02 -0400, you wrote: >Motocontent - I took the day off and I'm heading out to ride :-) So I actually rode :-) Logged about 200 miles of nice back road cruising and errand running. Incredible weather today. Unfortunately I only stopped 2x to take pics :-\ Here they are - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/rides/051002 -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 23:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4B38Zl00732 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 23:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176NFF-0002AP-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:08:29 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510230819.00c8f628@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:10:09 -0400 To: "Michael Jordan" , From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Adult Ridden In-Reply-To: <001e01c1f881$add854b0$ba359d40@michael> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At what age can one say adult ridden when selling a bike? At *any* age, when you're selling your father's bike. -- Larry (pushing 56, and glad to draw inspiration from the geriatric antics of Mr. Jordan) From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 23:11:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4B3Bkl00756 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 23:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from attglobal.net (pcp717420pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net [68.49.216.54]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GVX002WOFJGUL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 May 2002 23:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:19:00 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda Subject: Trailer anger To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3CDC8DA4.6193EC39@attglobal.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [ja] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja I bought this trailer, oh what a mistake... http://www.iguanatrailer.com/ the rail is to narrow to fit SuperHawk! I'm taking the HawkGT for tomorrow's track day... anyone who needs to haul a bike with narrow tire can have this trailer (for very cheap $)! -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 10 23:19:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4B3JAl00945 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 23:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-071.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.184.71] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176NPU-000436-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:19:05 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510231354.00ca4578@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:20:45 -0400 To: dan carr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Re: R6 Group Ride In-Reply-To: <000b01c1f872$82ba6b60$0200a8c0@theunit> References: <3A217D2C.4085B0DD.001912B6@aol.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020510174805.00cee958@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dan, At 06:32 PM 5/10/2002, you wrote: >Have you ever ridden an R6? I'm going to guess you have not, because >although not a plush cage on two wheels, the R6 is one of the most >comfortable 600's out there. I just got back from riding 320 miles with few >breaks today and only in the last 20 minutes was I uncomfortable, mainly >because I'm 6'2. Course all sportbike politics is local. :) Dan Nope, just sat on one. But it sure seemed to me to be a lot tighter than my Aprilia, which causes me enough knee pain already (I'm 6'3"+) 8;) All the mags seem to agree that the R6 has one of the tightest road riding positions out there. For example, this month's Rider says: "Sure, the ... R6 and GSX-600 are awesome sportbikes, probably even superior to the CBR600F4i on the track. But even on our shortest street riding loop the Suzuki's and Yamaha's torturous ergonomics quickly became tiresome." I suspect you're just disgustingly young and supple. I'm old and need my creature comforts. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Sat May 11 06:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4BATMl09728 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 06:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4BATMFx000577 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 05:29:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4BATLia028023 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 05:29:21 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 05:29:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Pretty... In-Reply-To: <20020510152442.90502.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 May 2002, Chris Weaver wrote: > The word out of the British bike magazines is that, true to its name, > it's a real dog. A real lack of power for an 1100cc engine and not > particularly well-handling either. Yeah, but sportbike posers^H^H^H^H^H^Hriders only ride those bikes because they _look_ kewl; most of them wouldn't know what to do with the power if their lives depended on it. Fish. that cb750 is calling to me... must resist... 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From: Sender: To: Subject: ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found and action taken. Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 06:46:26 -0400 Message-ID: <043501c1f8d9$19ef2820$7000080a@dc.Blackboard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2002 10:46:27.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A0966E0:01C1F8D9] ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has detected virus-infected attachment(s). Sender = Mrydr Recipient(s) = dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject = If (winHeight! Scanning Time = 05/11/2002 06:46:26 Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/277 Action on virus found: The attachment block .bat contains WORM_KLEZ.H virus. ScanMail has Moved it. The attachment was moved to C:\Program Files\Trend\Smex\Virus\block 3cdcf682fb.bat_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 11 08:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4BCjOl15744 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 08:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-63.215.158.5.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([63.215.158.5] helo=michael) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176WFT-0006Hd-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 May 2002 05:45:19 -0700 Message-ID: <00bc01c1f8e9$b5186db0$ba359d40@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <3CDC8DA4.6193EC39@attglobal.net> Subject: Re: Trailer anger Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 08:45:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > anyone who needs to haul a bike with narrow tire can have this trailer > (for very cheap $)! Can't you put a wider rail on it? >From their web site, they don't seem to know motorcycles - I quote: "One of the many exclusive features of the Iguana is the Squeeze Bar. It holds the front tire securely in place without putting strain on the shocks." Shocks? On the front? "Other trailers require straps, which put strain on the shocks and cause long term damage to the seals." That is absolute BS. Cinching the forks down does absolutely no damage to the seals, (unless you have badly nicked fork legs). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 11 10:33:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4BEXMl18126 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadscomputer.att.net ([12.91.151.26]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020511143301.HIEP7485.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 14:33:01 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020511102435.023a5ea0@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:32:59 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Kill a biker, lose yer license. In-Reply-To: <20020509172352.69160.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:23 AM 5/9/2002 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: >It appears to make killing a biker as serious as >driving off without paying for a gallon of gas. > >Leon. I observation is that if a motorist kills another (caged) motorist, they can be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Yet rarely is this punishment meted out if a motorcyclist is killed. *THERE'S the disparity*. Since motorcycles are licensed motor vehicles, just like cars, what in the world should there be any difference in punishment in a court of law? By further separating ourselves from the general populace by enacting "special" laws, especially ones that have little to no actual impact to prevent such accidents from occurring in the first place, the only people who "feel good" about these "all bark and no bite" laws are the politicians and AMA officials that pushed to get them passed. How about focusing the energy in forcing the courts to convict motorists the same way they would convict them if they had committed the same crime against another motorist? We don't need *new* laws, we just need the existing ones enforced evenly and fairly. If we are to be treated differently in the eyes of the law, it only enforces the general publics perception that we're nothing more than dangerous and irresponsible hooligans that need governments help to protect us from outselves. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 11 11:26:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-2.cais.net (stmpy-2.cais.net [205.252.14.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4BFPxl18869 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 11:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (239.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.239]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g4BFPwR86985 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 11:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007001c1f8ff$239068a0$c338e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Boating Report -- MSF ERC Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:18:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Looking for a skill stretch? Below reminds me of the ERC in Loudoun a few weeks ago -- the entire afternoon field work done in moderate to heavy showers. The instructors (rightfully, IMO) kept the class going with a "speed at which you feel comfortable" caveat. Several riders v e r y apprehensive and whiney about wetness but all finished undoubtedly better, and less fearful, contingency riders for it. Glanced over at the basic course riders and thought everyone out due for extra merit citations on the completion cards. Ripped out my inexpensive rainsuit crotch early on in the standard mount-dismount marathon. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Next accessory? Snorkel Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. Fish Flowers asserted -- . . . ObMSF report: The first (classroom-only) day sucked, no doubt because they have to pitch it both at total utter newbies and more experienced riders who are just looking for safety info. Somehow, none of this was useful to me, probably because I've been doing all this reading and research. Have higher hopes for the first actual riding day (today). Fish. vroom vroom From dc-cycles-request Sat May 11 13:21:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.mailstart.com (mail.mailstart.com [207.231.76.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4BHLql20628 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 13:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muave [207.231.76.117] by mail.mailstart.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A325608800A8; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:21:41 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: From: "mprodgers" Subject: Crow Bar Block Party Message-Id: <110502131.37302@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:21:53 -0700 Not a misprint! There's going to be a Crow Bar "Reunion" type Block Party on the Saturday of Memorial Day weekend, I think that is May 25th? At any rate, it will be held at Nation and the adjacent lots/streets; Half and South Capitol area. Last I heard they had 3 bands, plus a bike show inside the Nation concert hall; beer, vendors, etc. There is a possibility that Yours Truly will be behind the bar (not confirmed yet, I'll keep you posted). Should be a great day to get together with some old friends! A lot of the old Crow Bar staff is going to be working the event; Bill, the former Crow Bar manager, is in charge of the planning. Event runs from 12 noon to 8 pm. Come down and check it out! cheers- Patti still the Lantech! goin out in the sunshine now! 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From dc-cycles-request Sat May 11 20:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4C0xRl01675 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 20:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-209.244.224.242.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([209.244.224.242] helo=michael) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176hhf-0006i1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 May 2002 17:59:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c1f950$3a69d9c0$f2e0f4d1@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <000701c1f855$af0789e0$2e5a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> Subject: A Modest Proposal - DC-Cycles Alps Ride 2003 Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 20:59:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Would there be any interest in having a DC-Cycles event in the Italian Alps next summer/late spring? I'd be glad to provide my services as an ad hoc tour guide to the area. I've found a rental property in the heart of the Dolomite twisties that has 5 units, each sleeping up to six people for $710/week in June (see http://www.parkervillas.com/villas/trentino.cfm?sid=65355820020511200303 for details). This is in the heart of the Dolomites and summer is the low season. Airfare runs between $600 - $800 round trip Dulles to Milano Bike rentals go from E690 for a BMW F650 to E1010 for an R1150/RT or RS (see http://www.biancoblu.com ) There are at least three other rental outfits in Milano, and they're all just about the same price. Add in one night's stay in a hotel on the return, gas and eats for a week and the total comes in around $2 - 2.5K. There's always the chance that we could get better rates for a small group, too. Alpine pass road twisties are somewhere between 211 over Thornton's Gap and the switchback at the west end of the Snickersville Turnpike (tending more to the Snickersville model). Anyhoo - I just thought that I'd throw this out a year or so in advance to allow for planning/thinking/plotting. Bottom line is that it's more fun with a group. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 11 21:56:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4C1uel02500 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-47-156.s1934.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.156] helo=D7XFG711) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 176ibE-0005H6-00; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: <008101c1f956$9518aad0$9c2f2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "mobacc" , "DC-Cycles" References: <005201c1f873$73c06280$c338e2cf@micron> Subject: Re: DC DMV semismile Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:44:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Holy cow, DC now does on-line vanity plates. Will wonders never cease? And they allow you to select 5 letter/number combo MC vanity plates too. What will mine be? Paul in DC 95 VFR ----- Original Message ----- From: "mobacc" > For DC listers: The DMV is trying! At 301 C street this am parked in new > "Motorcycle Parking" (about 30 yards west of, same side as, entrance). V e > r r y sweet. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 11 22:27:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20106.mail.yahoo.com (web20106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4C2Rdl03011 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 22:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020512022728.2885.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.233.74] by web20106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:27:28 PDT Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:27:28 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Summit Race report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What a weekend; well a short one. While the rest of the racer community enjoys the fresh-air accomodations I beat it home tonight (Sat). I spent all day Friday at the CCS track day learning the lay of the land for the North course which I had never been to. I still don't have that final uphill-then-off-camber-with-slick-as-glass-paint U-turn down right, but by the time the last sessions rolled around I was rather more comfortable and able to use a lot more throttle. Sat morning's practice on the Main course went smoothly enough. I was initally running rear pressure too high and was not at all happy with traction. PJ, the most excellent tire dude and Pirelli/Metz guy set me straight with 28psi front/rear. Wow, what a transformation! I figured three races was enough so I ran Light Weight Sportsman, GTLights and Middleweight Sportsman. In all sessions I got my ass handed to me soundly. I sure didn't see any FZR's in GTLights but that's probably because they were so much further ahead. Our GTL got red-flagged at about lap 11 and I was bumed they didn't restart us like they later did for GTU after bending-over backward and re-interpreting race rules. GTlights doesn't get much respect I guess. MW Sportsman was probably the most fun since the field was the smallest AND it had far fewer rediculously fast bikes. Sure I got lapped by about 4 guys in the space of 6 laps but their closing speeds didn't seem so ludicrously different than mine. And it was cool to be racing with a Bandit 400, and an FZR. They still hauled ass up that front straight rather faster than my GS was able to. By checker they only had me by the length of 1/2 - 2/3rds of the front straight. I had one "oh-shit" moment when in HW/LW Twins an expert thought he'd try an inside pass on Turn 4 and ran out of time and space and had to run up the rumble strips. I drifted left praying he wasn't going to come sliding into me and let him have T5. I'm really not so sure HW's and LW's should be in that same race. The skill-set between Expert and Amateur, not to mention the speed of the bikes is so different. If nothing else I learned to get comfortable with getting my doors blown off left and right. I wish I knew what sort of times I was clocking and how they compared to last years'... (anyone have a good deal on a MyChron?) All I saw of Keener (which was twice I think) was his rapidly receeding, black leather form. In GTL I passed a rider school graduate. He was on a SV I think and while it took me about 2 laps of stuff-ed up corners I finally got him in turn 9 when he stayed wide. Passing is still not my gig and I guess I still don't have the cojones to try something unless it's more than obvously safe to do so. I may be the slowest rider out there in my races but I'm having great fun. Hopefully the guys running circles around me don't mind dodging the rolling obstacle. And I'm staying within reason of my comfort zone, working on staying relaxed (hard to do), working on body control, working on braking (much improvement still needed), working on looking for the right line, using the right gear in T1 and T5. All in all a tiring 2 days but I DID'T CRASH which was a big boost to me since my last outing of 2001 was a crash in T8. I still find it hard to believe I crashed there. I must have been too tired or too frazzled. And too, I watched and later saw at least one or two crashes in all of my races. Last place is always better than a DNF, and an intact bike always cheaper than a crashed one. Eurotech's camera crew was busy snapping pics. And I ordered one that shows me "leading a pack of experts around T7" showing them how it's done. *grin* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun May 12 06:28:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4CASDl10259 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 06:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.144.e5f9c18 (17230) for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 06:26:44 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <144.e5f9c18.2a0f9d64@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 06:26:44 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Race report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/11/2002 10:29:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > I may be the slowest rider out there in my races but I'm having great > fun. I have said it before, and I will say it again, I have more respect for the slowest rider on the track, then the fastest rider on the street. John. 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--VL01LG306519N4C5-- From dc-cycles-request Sun May 12 08:38:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from madison.dc.Blackboard.com (bbdc-64-124-103-15.blackboard.com [64.124.103.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4CCc7l12111 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 08:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by madison.dc.Blackboard.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 May 2002 08:38:00 -0400 thread-index: AcH5sdnDUFsM+m7cQB26grXApvgqFQ== Thread-Topic: ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found and action taken. From: Sender: To: Subject: ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found and action taken. Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: <048501c1f9b1$d9c63de0$7000080a@dc.Blackboard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2002 12:38:00.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9DE0BA0:01C1F9B1] ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has detected virus-infected attachment(s). Sender = mscarsup Recipient(s) = dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject = Eager to see you Scanning Time = 05/12/2002 08:37:59 Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/279 Action on virus found: The attachment sewelcom.pif contains WORM_KLEZ.H virus. ScanMail has Moved it. The attachment was moved to C:\Program Files\Trend\Smex\Virus\sewelcom3cde622710f.pif_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. From dc-cycles-request Sun May 12 09:46:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out020.verizon.net (out020pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g4CDkol13089 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 09:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ltanner ([4.63.10.40]) by out020.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020512134635.ROGU1765.out020.verizon.net@ltanner> for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 08:46:35 -0500 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Virus Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 09:34:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal So, who's infected with the virus that I keep getting??? Fortunately for me, it's not getting through, but I'm still getting the notifications. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request Sun May 12 12:03:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from barrington.services.brown.edu (barrington.services.brown.edu [128.148.19.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g4CG3rl16241 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 12:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sweiss [128.148.200.163]) by barrington.services.brown.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.9) with SMTP id M2002051212035019946 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 12:03:50 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c1f9e8$37a2f580$a3c89480@sweiss> From: "Simon Weiss" To: References: <200205112300.g4BN01n29674@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/11/02 Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 12:07:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hey, This is my first posting to DC cycles, but I've been reading for a while - though mostly nonsense. I'm verly likely going to be buying my first bike in the next couple weeks, so I'm going to need some equipment. I might try to get a jacket off ebay, or something similar (anyone selling used, around size 42) but I definitely want a new helmet. Can anyone recommend a nice BUDGET! fullface helmet for me? I'm definitely strapped for cash, but i don't want to buy something cheap and find out it's a piece of s**t down the line. Also, I'm planing to buy a Bandit 400, but if that falls through does anyone else know of low priced bikes in good shape for sale? Thanks from a brand new rider. Simon BTW, please respond to me, as I have a hard time wading through the millions of emails that are sent everyday. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 12 12:24:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4CGOQ916734; Sun, 12 May 2002 12:24:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020512162423.51486.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 09:24:23 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: anyone for a GS500 endurance race or lots of track time at Summit? To: Randy or Julie Moran Cc: lgranato@XXXXXX, eternity23@XXXXXX, keithlva@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is a Team Challenge (78 laps) on 5/24, a Friday, at Summit as part of the FUSA/CCS combined event. Team fees are $175. Gate pass is $35. I don't know if you need to 'upgrade' your license to FUSA or whether or not they'll take CCS without any extra fees. I'm about to head back out to Summit and sign up and I'll ask about that again. Friday will be a very full one for me with GT Lights, MW Sportsman followed immediate by LW Sportsman followed immediately with the Endurance race. So I'm in desperate need of rider assistance as I'm not about to log too many laps and start making expensive mistakes. I have tires and wheels applenty - the BT-96's will probably be quite happy for all the sprint races and the morning 30min but the TC would best be run on fresh rubber I should think. I also could really benefit from a pit buddy and a photographer. I can provide the gear and film. Does anybody have a MyChron I can borrow? And a ~300mm focal length lens that will mount to a Minolta Maxxum AF 7000 body? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 12 12:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4CGiHl17192; Sun, 12 May 2002 12:44:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200205121644.g4CGiFF02088@kiri.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles list admin stuff changing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2086.1021221855.1@XXXXXX> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 12:44:15 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX The dc-cycles list has been getting hit with a fair amount of junk mail lately, spam, viruses, etc. This has necessitated the institution of some prophylactic measures to protect the list members. As such, the list has been transitioned from the Amish-approved list mgmt mechanisms of the past (based on "some dude hand-edits a file" technology), to newer, high-tech, 90's-era automated list management software. So as of about 5 or 10 minutes ago: - postings that don't originate from a list member's email address are now rejected. You gotta be on the list to post. - postings that contain "attachments", or various types of binary-encoded data, are rejected - subscribe/unsubscribe actions are handled by automated software, you send an email message with the word 'subscribe' or 'unsubscribe' in the subject to the list admin address - there are now 2 list admin addresses, the original 'dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX' address is now only for the undigested list, and a new 'dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX' is for the digest list. Besides the automated list mgmt software, the list admin human continues to receive all messages sent to either address; if you run into trouble, just send an email with regular words and sentences and stuff to one of those addresses. All postings should continue to be sent to the same address as before, 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'. The thing you mostly need to consider is that if you are posting to the list from an address that isn't exactly the same as the address you subscribed with, your postings will now be rejected, as the software will think you aren't a list member. If you need the ability to post from an address different from the one used to receive postings, that can be done, send me a note. If the address you're posting from isn't the one the software expects, you will receive a nice email response explaining why your posting was dropped. Please DO NOT send "test" messages to the list to see if it will work, about 350 motorcyclists mutter "dumbass" (or equivalent) every time somebody does this. If you're just curious, send me email and I'll check for you. The same stuff said above is presented with even more words here: http://www.dc-cycles.org/listinfo.html -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 12 13:55:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4CHtgQ18749; Sun, 12 May 2002 13:55:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020512175520.86068.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Marhefsky Subject: LA chock for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have an old style LA Chock motorcycle stand for sale. It is in as new condition. I don't really need it anymore. I'd part with it for $150. (New are $275 + S/H) www.baxleycompanies.com/la_wheel_chock.html Thanks, Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 12 16:51:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4CKpXD21544; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:51:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002501c1f9f5$222e54d0$442e2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: JR Phoenix crash report Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:39:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 More experience with the Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket, forwarded from the Triad DOD list: > I am indeed alive and kicking (mostly kicking -- myself) after my mountain > mishap thanks to safety gear. > > Even the 3/4 helmet I was wearing did it's job, although I'm glad I had a > face > shield attached: > > http://home.nc.rr.com/purposeless/HELMET.JPG > > The el cheapo leather pants I was wearing ($218 with matching leather jacket > from eBay) did their job as well, although the hip seems burst and the knee > wore through there was no broken skin below the waist: > > http://home.nc.rr.com/purposeless/PANTS.JPG > http://home.nc.rr.com/purposeless/KNEE.JPG > > The Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket did not serve as well. Although the padded > shoulders and elbows prevented broken bones during the asphalt tumbling > section > of my floor show (I don't recommend this) the right arm wore through. > > http://home.nc.rr.com/purposeless/SLEEVE.JPG > http://home.nc.rr.com/purposeless/ARM.JPG > > More disturbing, the zipper burst open and the jacket pulled open exposing my > shoulder to the asphalt (ouch). > > http://home.nc.rr.com/purposeless/ZIPPER.JPG > (this next one is a little gross) > http://home.nc.rr.com/purposeless/SHOULDER.JPG > > So, bottom line, the Phoenix is really as cool as riding in shirt sleeves and > more protective, but it is not leather. > > No news on the bike. Should be appraised tomorrow or saturday. I'll post info > as I get it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 12 19:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4CNZRf24229; Sun, 12 May 2002 19:35:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020512233517.45052.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: LA chock for sale To: Brian Marhefsky , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020512175520.86068.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'll take this off your hands. --- Brian Marhefsky wrote: > I have an old style LA Chock motorcycle stand for > sale. It is in as new condition. I don't really need > it anymore. I'd part with it for $150. (New are $275 > + S/H) > > www.baxleycompanies.com/la_wheel_chock.html > > Thanks, > Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 12 20:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4D0J2925564; Sun, 12 May 2002 20:19:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:17:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: DC DMV semismile To: Paul Wilson Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3CDF0616.4E85B71B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <005201c1f873$73c06280$c338e2cf@micron> <008101c1f956$9518aad0$9c2f2c42@D7XFG711> Paul Wilson wrote: > > Holy cow, DC now does on-line vanity plates. Will wonders never cease? And > they allow you to select 5 letter/number combo MC vanity plates too. What > will mine be? DCSUX :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 12 20:51:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4D0pHo26190; Sun, 12 May 2002 20:51:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CDF0954.2000706@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:31:16 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricardo Pontes CC: Dccycles Subject: Re: tire profiles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ricardo, First, have them put the right size tire on your bike. And don't take "No" or any lame-ass excuses. Second, the lower profile tire may have some poser value, but what it's gonna do is drop your front end a bit and quicken up your steering. Given the "triangular" profile of D207s to begin with, this means it's gonna be even quicker than it was before. In and of itself, this isnt' necessarily a "bad" thing. However, you now have less sidewall profile (60 series is 60% of the tire width vs. the stock 70 series which is 70%) which means -- in all likelihood -- the front won't handle severe loads, i.e., cornering forces, as well. In other words, there's a pretty good chance the the front will break away/wash out sooner (how soon, I don't know) at extrememe lean angles than the stock 70-series tire. For everyday riding, it might not make a bit of difference. At the track, it could make the difference between staying upright and having the front let go. Third, in theory the 180 rear might steer a bit quicker than the stock 190. Combined with the lower profile front, you might end up with an "overly quick" bike. I'd be less concerned about changing to a 180 rear than the 60-series front. A lot of folks go with the less narrow rear, although in theory you may be giving up some grip at the limit since the contact patch is slightly smaller. Chuck Ricardo Pontes wrote: > I just got some new tires for my r1. They are 207's. I went with a 180 tire > in the back, instead of the usual 190 r1 rear tire. Same tire up front, so i > thought. But the store installed a 120/60 tire, i didnt know this existed? > What does this mean? Will it handle weirdly with the 180 tire in the rear? I > have a track day tommorow.. > > Ricardo > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 12 21:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4D1EOe26673; Sun, 12 May 2002 21:14:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CDF0ECD.8090801@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:54:37 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dccycles Subject: Tangentially moto-related: Vote for Pete Wysocki Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A lot of you probably know Pete Wysocki from his Redskin days (1975-80). But some of you also know him as a motorcycle rider too. If you go to http://www.mileone.com/mileone/press/redskins/home.htm you can vote for Pete as one of the 70 all-time Redskins (you can also vote by going to http://www.redskins.com and clicking on the 70th anniversary logo). Now I'm not a Redskins fan (go Niners!), but I am a big Pete Wysocki fan (because he's a good friend). So I'd like to encourage everyone to please vote for Pete (he's listed under linebackers although he was better known for his special teams play). He doesn't know I'm doing this. But I think it would be great if the DC m/c community would support Pete. Please let all your friends know and encourage them to vote for Pete. Much thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 10:49:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DEnci09723; Mon, 13 May 2002 10:49:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 09:49:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: MSF:BRC report (longish) Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I finished my Basic RiderCourse (and don't even get me started on concatenations like RiderCourse -- English != German, dammit) yesterday, and thought I would comment for those of you who might care -- MSF instructors, perhaps, or any lurking newbies. There must be _some_ lurking newbies out there, right? All in all, I'd count the course as a success, but I have a few quibbles: 1) The in-class instruction was, from my point of view, totally useless. If you had read the little book you got when you registered, then you already knew everything they discussed. (I had even gone so far as to purchase the MSF's "Motorcycling Excellence" book, which covered the same material in even greater depth.) 2) The in-class instruction included not a word about protective gear beyond "Wear a DOT-approved helmet, we recommend full-face ones." When asked what clothing to wear for the riding portion of the course, the instructor said that a long-sleeved t-shirt and jeans were just fine... and then never followed that up with the expected "But if you're going to ride on the road, you might want to consider something just a wee bit more protective." 3) No discussion whatsoever of what some appropriate motorcycles might be for new riders to look into. Sure, about 1/4 of the class already owned a motorcycle, but for the rest of us some discussion might have been useful. For instance, one 17-y.o. who had barely passed the riding test was spouting about how he was going to run out this week and buy a brand-spanking-new GSX-R1000. No comment from the instructors. *boggle* 4) In the riding portion of the course, I felt there was insufficient time allowed for practice of some maneuvers. My bugaboo maneuver was the 135-degree turn -- which was the do-not-flub-this-or-you-fail portion of the riding test -- and which we were allowed to run through a grand total of four times in practice -- twice right, twice left. I missed it every single time. :( I got it right in the final, but I suspect I was lucky. I certainly do not have confidence that I'm qualified to perform that maneuver in a road situation, but I think with another four or eight runs through the course in practice, I might be. 5) Inefficient exercises. I spent a lot of time baking in the sun in my full riding gear, when it would have been relatively easy to set up a few extra cones on the return leg of many of the exercises to allow us to practice swerving, slaloming, or even just low-speed maneuvering. (The slow, tight turns were difficult for everyone in the class.) I actually got yelled at for practicing low-speed turning when returning to the loooong line of waiting cyclists, which confuses me a little. I was not attempting to show off, nor was I maneuvering in an area with any other cyclists. I certainly wasn't holding up the march of progress, since the exercise was proceeding at a snail's pace. The instructors actually mentioned while we were on the course that one of the most common criticisms was lack of time to practice -- they then said that "We are just teaching you the way to do things -- you need to go out and practice these on your own." OK, a valid point, but if I can't get the maneuver correctly when there's a qualified instructor around to critique me, then how can I be expected to form good riding habits on my own? *pant* *pant* *pant* I hadn't meant this to become a rant, really I hadn't. I liked the course, and I'm very glad I took it. It is now certified that I might just possibly be capable of riding a motorcycle in second gear on an empty parking lot in ideal conditions without instantaneously killing myself. (I'm so proud.) Now I just need to buy a cheapo motorcycle so that I can practice the techniques and get them burnt into muscle memory before I forget them... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 10:49:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DEnfA09741; Mon, 13 May 2002 10:49:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 09:49:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: WTB: cheapie beginner bike Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Having finished the MSF Basic course (see my other post), I'm looking to buy a cheap motorcycle to practice on. Sadly, I've not much money -- house-hunting and an impending wedding sorta suck the life out of one's wallet -- so the operative word here is "CHEAP". They must also run and be street-legal, of course. So, does anyone have any of the following for sale under, oh, $1500?: GS500 CB250 CMX250C VT600C Ninjette etc. (prefer naked standards, but cruisers and fairings are acceptable. beggars can't be choosers) Dropped bikes are fine. Cracked fairings are fine. Don't care. Wanna ride. *waah* Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 10:52:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DEqJ410045; Mon, 13 May 2002 10:52:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Trailer for Sale Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 10:46:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Single rail motorcycle trailer for sale. Very customized with expanded metal sides and removable, storable ramp. Also available - electric winch for one person loading. $250 for trailer alone or $325 for trailer with winch and bag of tie-downs. OBO LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 10:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DExbk10337; Mon, 13 May 2002 10:59:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020513145927.96578.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: Need advice on removing decals To: dc DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am planning on removing the "Ninja" stickers on the tail of my ZX-9. Does anyone have any experience removing decals from their bikes? Can you buy some sort of solution, or do you just heat it up or something? I am concerned of scratching the paint underneath or leaving sticker residue on the plastic. Thanks, --Par 2001 Kawi ZX-9 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 11:12:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DFCEk10689; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: bernescut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E74F@NCEAEXCHANGE> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need advice on removing decals Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:12:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Last month's Motorcyclist had a how-to article on sticker removal; the key issue is whether or not the stickers are under the clear coat. Being a Honda person, I have no idea how Kawaskai does it, but the article talks about how to tell the deifference. Apparently, if they are under the clear coat, it's difficult or impossible without dmaging the clear coat. Cedric 200 CBR600F4 I am planning on removing the "Ninja" stickers on the tail of my ZX-9. Does anyone have any experience removing decals from their bikes? Can you buy some sort of solution, or do you just heat it up or something? I am concerned of scratching the paint underneath or leaving sticker residue on the plastic. Thanks, --Par 2001 Kawi ZX-9 Do You Yahoo!? - I used to but now I just moan. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 11:12:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DFCsH10738; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:12:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020513151242.83431.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need advice on removing decals To: Paresh Karandikar , dc DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020513145927.96578.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hairdryer --- Paresh Karandikar wrote: > I am planning on removing the "Ninja" stickers on the > tail of my ZX-9. Does anyone have any experience > removing decals from their bikes? Can you buy some > sort of solution, or do you just heat it up or > something? I am concerned of scratching the paint > underneath or leaving sticker residue on the plastic. > Thanks, > > --Par > 2001 Kawi ZX-9 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 11:14:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DFE7S10905; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:14:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513111207.023901e8@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:13:52 -0400 To: Paresh Karandikar , dc DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Need advice on removing decals In-Reply-To: <20020513145927.96578.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed best way I've found is to use a blow dryer, heat up the sticker real good and it'll peel right off. Any residue left on the paint easily comes off with WD-40 or my favorite, lighter fluid. Neither will harm the paint. I don't know about the Ninja stickers though. They aren't under a clear coat are they? If they are, you'll have a devil of a time getting the clear coat evened out after the stickers are removed. cheers, -aki At 07:59 AM 5/13/2002 -0700, Paresh Karandikar wrote: >I am planning on removing the "Ninja" stickers on the >tail of my ZX-9. Does anyone have any experience >removing decals from their bikes? Can you buy some >sort of solution, or do you just heat it up or >something? I am concerned of scratching the paint >underneath or leaving sticker residue on the plastic. >Thanks, > > --Par > 2001 Kawi ZX-9 > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 11:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DFEVr10923; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:14:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: STmaven@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:15:09 -0400 To: pkarandi@XXXXXX (Paresh Karandikar), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc DC-Cycles) Subject: Re: Need advice on removing decals Message-ID: <16636F0A.448F2063.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just heat up the decals with a heat gun or hair drier. After heating it up the just peal while applying heat. If you have any sticker residue left use Goo Gone. In a message dated Mon, 13 May 2002 11:00:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Paresh Karandikar writes: >I am planning on removing the "Ninja" stickers on the >tail of my ZX-9. M- Does anyone have any experience >removing decals from their bikes? M- Can you buy some >sort of solution, or do you just heat it up or >something? M- I am concerned of scratching the paint >underneath or leaving sticker residue on the plastic. >Thanks, > > M- M- M- M- --Par > M- M- M- M- M- 2001 Kawi ZX-9 > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >http://launch.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 11:20:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DFKcc11433; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:20:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020513152035.84276.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:20:35 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: MSF:BRC report (longish) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii unfortunately the "extra" material is largely dependant on who is doing the teaching. My students come away with LOTS of info because my specialty happens to be Module 2. Where did you take it and with whom? > 3) No discussion whatsoever of what some appropriate motorcycles > might be > for new riders to look into. Again, it ain't in the instructor material. I make a BIG point of adding this information for the reasons you cite. But this is again beyond the call of 'duty'. > brand-spanking-new GSX-R1000. No comment from the instructors. > *boggle* yeah unfortuantely. I've commented quite negatively about certain bikes as learners only to later discover a student (who thought he knew it all and failed the written test no less and barely passed the ridden) had just bought that bike. When I discuss bikes I'm a little more careful but I also take individuals aside and try to talk to them about what they've chosen and encourage them to rethink it. > allowed for practice of some maneuvers. My bugaboo maneuver was the > 135-degree turn -- which was the do-not-flub-this-or-you-fail portion > of four times in practice -- twice right, twice left. I missed it > every > single time. :( I got it right in the final, but I suspect I was > lucky. I > certainly do not have confidence that I'm qualified to perform that > maneuver in a road situation, but I think with another four or eight > runs > through the course in practice, I might be. You should have had ample opportunity to practice during your lunch hour, however. Was this not offered? I always offer it and never fail to have a lot of students very keen on taking me up. > 5) Inefficient exercises. I spent a lot of time baking in the sun in The curricula is new to the instructors, too so there are bound to be snafu's. Keeping it moving is a skill that instructors have to learn, too. > maneuver correctly when there's a qualified instructor around to > critique > me, then how can I be expected to form good riding habits on my own? heh, naturally, eh? If any recent grads want an instructor present and some cones setup to practice just give me a ring and I'll be happy to assist. > and I'm very glad I took it. It is now certified that I might just > possibly be capable of riding a motorcycle in second gear on an empty > parking lot in ideal conditions without instantaneously killing > myself. > (I'm so proud.) and in all fairness, that is all we *can* certify you to do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 11:21:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DFLGC11459; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:21:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513111930.022da628@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:21:00 -0400 To: Fish Flowers From: Troutman Subject: Re: WTB: cheapie beginner bike Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:49 AM 5/13/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >Having finished the MSF Basic course (see my other post), I'm looking to >buy a cheap motorcycle to practice on. Sadly, I've not much money -- >house-hunting and an impending wedding sorta suck the life out of one's >wallet -- so the operative word here is "CHEAP". They must also run and be >street-legal, of course. > >So, does anyone have any of the following for sale under, oh, $1500?: Wash Post classified says : Talk this guy down : SUZUKI '97 GSS KATANA 600 Vance Heinz jet exhaust & many new extras. $4000. 202 285-5894 Or check with Bob's on this guy : BMW '65 R50/2, Black 45,800 mi Call Bob's (Toll Free) now! 877-743-3269 www.bobsbmw.com ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 11:28:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DFSOY11788; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:28:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01aa01c1fa93$208afa40$022e2c42@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "Troutman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513111930.022da628@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: WTB: cheapie beginner bike Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:30:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" > At 10:49 AM 5/13/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > >Having finished the MSF Basic course (see my other post), I'm looking to > >buy a cheap motorcycle to practice on. > Wash Post classified says : > > Talk this guy down : > > SUZUKI '97 GSS KATANA 600 > Vance Heinz jet exhaust & many new extras. $4000. 202 285-5894 I wonder if those "Vance Heinz" pipes come in 57 varieties? ;-) And "jet exhaust," yowza. Cycle Trader (www.cycletrader.com) is another good place. Your can search by price range and geographic area. That's how I got my first bike, a cherry '91 CB750 with 7K miles for not much money. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 11:28:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DFStO11879; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:28:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:29:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need advice on removing decals In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513111207.023901e8@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 May 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:13:52 -0400 > From: Aki Damme > To: Paresh Karandikar , > dc DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Need advice on removing decals > > > best way I've found is to use a blow dryer, heat up the sticker > real good and it'll peel right off. Any residue left on the paint easily > comes off with WD-40 or my favorite, lighter fluid. Neither will > harm the paint. FWIW, the citrus bicycle chain degreaser will probably take the adheasive off without any worry of messing up paint, etc with WD-40 or lighter-fluid. AND, it cleans up with water. Also works well for degreasing chains and removing other spooge. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 11:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DFpEa12418; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01e701c1fa96$4fc16f80$022e2c42@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" , Cc: References: <20020513152035.84276.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MSF:BRC report (longish) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:53:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Congratulations on taking and passing the course. As Matt says, it's dependent quite a bit on the individual instructors, oh sorry, we're RiderCoaches now. (There's that Germanic word agglomeration construction again.) The classes are very compressed and there's not a lot of time for "sidebars." Although I do try to spend some extra time on gear. With three instructors we usually have plenty of gear in the classroom to use as props. I consider the gear to be part of the purchase of a motorcycle. I will also say that reading the Handbook in advance is *very* rare in my experience. I hope your left lots of feedback on the evaluation forms. They are read and taken seriously, both by the individual coaches and the higher-ups. Matt's point below is spot on. We are teaching basics in a one-weekend format. Most (but not all) of the graduates leave with minimal competence to get out on the street and fulfill the state's requirements for an endorsement. If anything the course teaches you just how much there is to learn and improve on. You'll be learning as long as you're riding. The exercises give you a taste of the sort of low-speed maneuvers you should practice. There are many higher-speed skills you need, like cornering entry speed judgment, as well as traffic and road surface management skills, that we can only touch on in the class but you have to get out on the highway to learn. I'd recommend getting together with some skilled riders you can ride with on the road, or sign up for some of the more structured courses that are available. Feel free to ping me off-list if you'd like specifics. Paul in DC MSF guy- VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" > > > and I'm very glad I took it. It is now certified that I might just > > possibly be capable of riding a motorcycle in second gear on an empty > > parking lot in ideal conditions without instantaneously killing > > myself. > > (I'm so proud.) > > and in all fairness, that is all we *can* certify you to do. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 12:29:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DGTUv13232; Mon, 13 May 2002 12:29:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZUEVtCssNLD3qKvYtb/UPPw5GZVpsvkt/P+vv2oDraUs6TaG43Q2tI Message-ID: <003001c1fa9b$58405310$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: , References: <81.1b78d498.2a0d732a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lasers Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:29:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Ok, gotta explain that one. I can see no way that LIDAR can work that does > not have the same cosine error that radar has. it does, but there is a bigger problem with aiming it while the bike (or car) is moving sidways. LIDAR sends multiple beams(vs. radar sends one) it would be very dificult to hit the same spot on the bike for all those beams. Also, radar scaters so much that it covers large area and doesn't need to be aimed at all(just general direction). What makes LIDAR good for LO is that it doesn't scater much and is harder to detect by RD, but at the same time it makes it harder to use(you have to be much more precice) Like i said before though, trying to explain that to LO or judge will get you nowhere unless you are willing to spend a lot of money on lawyers and EXPERTS. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 12:33:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DGXsJ13437; Mon, 13 May 2002 12:33:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZxlz8fn9Z+eBbfrQs8QBPSpmX81TbMEIKbxXkPENZUo1wSM/vJch+f Message-ID: <003c01c1fa9b$f6c70ec0$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: , "Larry Larson" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510171759.00caacc0@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: Lasers Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:33:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 All that is true, but there is a HUGE difference on how speed is calculated. RADAR uses Doppler effect of frequency shift on the return wave is proportional to the speed of the object. LIDAR sends multiple beams and calculates distance(not speed or freq. shift) for each one and then (knowing times and distances for each beam) the computer inside calculates ave. speed in that period(about .2-.3 sec). It makes a lot of difference in some situations on accuracy of the reading. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From http://pcl.physics.uwo.ca/pclhtml/introlidar/introlidarf.html: > > ================= > > 1. What's a Lidar? > > A lidar is similar to the more familiar radar, and can be thought of as a > laser radar. > > In a radar, radio waves are transmitted into the atmosphere, which scatters > some of the power back to the radar's receiver. > > A lidar also transmits and receives electromagnetic radiation, but at a > higher frequency. Lidars operate in the ultraviolet, visible and infrared > region of the electromagnetic spectrum.... > > The lidar's transmitter is a laser, while its receiver is an optical > telescope. > > ================= > > -- Larry > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 15:58:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DJw0916916; Mon, 13 May 2002 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96062C41A6@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Trailer Wheel Chock Question Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 15:56:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I recently mounted some wheel chocks (permanent screw in ones for sport bikes) in a trailer. The problem is that the front wheels of my superhawk and a buddies RC51 don't roll right in to the chocks. They can be bumped in, but then the front disks are touching the chock - which could be a problem. I have double-checked and the chocks are the ones for sport bikes and are the right one (supposedly). I am going to use the jack from my car to widen them a little and put at piece of 2x4 underneath to raise the tire slightly so the chock won't hit my disk. Has anyone else had any similiar problems with this???? Any help would be appreciated... Jason From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 16:11:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DKB8U17240; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:11:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 15:11:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: MSF:BRC report (longish) In-Reply-To: <20020513152035.84276.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 May 2002, matthew patton wrote: > Where did you take it and with whom? In Glen Burnie, MD. I had contact with three instructors: Rick Moore, Ruth xxx, and... err... (crap. I've forgotten the name of the third instructor, who taught the second in-class portion). > > My bugaboo maneuver was the 135-degree turn ... > > You should have had ample opportunity to practice during your lunch > hour, however. Was this not offered? I always offer it and never fail > to have a lot of students very keen on taking me up. Err, no, it was definitely not offered. In fact, I asked more than once if I could practice during down-time (lunch hours, breaks, or before class had begun when the bikes were out and ready and the instructors sitting around eating donuts and sipping coffee) -- and was repeatedly told that no, I couldn't. That's really irritating. I figured they wouldn't let me for liability reasons; had I known they were just being lazy bastards I would've been rather more critical on the evaluation form (which, yes, I did try to fill out to the best of my ability). *sigh* Oh well. I'm still glad I took the course, long list of quibbles aside. I recommend it to beginners, but I also recommend you seriously consider outside sources of information! (Especially about gear and appropriate starter bikes.) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 16:19:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DKJKn17530; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:19:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE01FDF.1F995499@umuc.edu> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:19:43 -0400 From: "David Wakefield" Organization: University of Maryland University College X-Sender: "David Wakefield" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD CCK-MCD {UMUC-CCKUS} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: MSF:BRC report (longish) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, Ruth would be Ruth General, former training center manager at the Waldorf MVA. Glen Burnie is also the state MVA headquarters, so you probably won't find a more "by the book" training center in MD. Fish Flowers wrote: > > On Mon, 13 May 2002, matthew patton wrote: > > > Where did you take it and with whom? > > In Glen Burnie, MD. I had contact with three instructors: Rick Moore, Ruth > xxx, and... err... (crap. I've forgotten the name of the third instructor, > who taught the second in-class portion). > > > > My bugaboo maneuver was the 135-degree turn ... > > > > You should have had ample opportunity to practice during your lunch > > hour, however. Was this not offered? I always offer it and never fail > > to have a lot of students very keen on taking me up. > > Err, no, it was definitely not offered. In fact, I asked more than once if > I could practice during down-time (lunch hours, breaks, or before class > had begun when the bikes were out and ready and the instructors sitting > around eating donuts and sipping coffee) -- and was repeatedly told that > no, I couldn't. > > That's really irritating. I figured they wouldn't let me for liability > reasons; had I known they were just being lazy bastards I would've been > rather more critical on the evaluation form (which, yes, I did try to fill > out to the best of my ability). > > *sigh* Oh well. I'm still glad I took the course, long list of quibbles > aside. > > I recommend it to beginners, but I also recommend you seriously consider > outside sources of information! (Especially about gear and appropriate > starter bikes.) > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 17:08:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DL8BP18485; Mon, 13 May 2002 17:08:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:08:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: MSF:BRC report (longish) In-Reply-To: <3CE01FDF.1F995499@umuc.edu> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 May 2002, David Wakefield wrote: > Ah, Ruth would be Ruth General, former training center manager at the > Waldorf MVA. Could be. Long braided brown hair? > Glen Burnie is also the state MVA headquarters, so you probably won't > find a more "by the book" training center in MD. Is it "by the book" to disallow practice during breaks? (That sounds snarky and mean, but it's not meant to be -- it's an honest question.) Fish. actually thought ruth gave pretty good, if critical, riding advice From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 18:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DMJUb19742; Mon, 13 May 2002 18:19:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020513181303.00cbfe18@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:20:54 -0400 To: From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lasers In-Reply-To: <003c01c1fa9b$f6c70ec0$7d687b3f@ducman> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510171759.00caacc0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Genna wrote:

        All that is true, but there is a HUGE difference on how speed is calculated.

I was not debating how either device works.

You said:
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LASER is not a laser. in fact, it is actually called LIDAR. it's an
acronym for Light Detection And Ranging.
Many people call it LASER because it is similar to RADAR (also acronym).
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I countered:
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From http://pcl.physics.uwo.ca/pclhtml/introlidar/introlidarf.html:
1. What's a Lidar?
A lidar is similar to the more familiar radar, and can be thought of as a laser radar.
In a radar, radio waves are transmitted into the atmosphere, which scatters some of the power back to the radar's receiver.
A lidar also transmits and receives electromagnetic radiation, but at a higher frequency. Lidars operate in the ultraviolet, visible and infrared region of the electromagnetic spectrum....
The lidar's transmitter is a laser, while its receiver is an optical telescope.
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From that point on, so far as I am concerned, your comments on the subject have no credibility.

-- Larry









From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 19:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4DNdDn21255; Mon, 13 May 2002 19:39:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002401c1faf1$00908c60$a3c89480@sweiss> From: "Simon Weiss" To: Subject: leather vs Pleater Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 19:42:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hey, Since I'm hopefully buying my first bike soon, I've been spending valuable Exam studying time looking at jackets and helmets and trying to decide what I want and what I can afford. I have seen a lot of these "textile" jackets for really cheap, and they seem to offer it all. I've even heard that they have better abrasion resistance than leather does.=20 I want leather, with plenty of armor etc... but the price of these "textile" jackets is really intriguing. What's the deal with them?=20 Obviously some of them are aimed at sport bike riders, based on the style and names, like "Nicky Hayden" etc.. What are everyone's thoughts on this subject? Oh yeah, how does one switch from getting the digested DC-Cycles emails to *gasp* all the emails... New Rider Simon PS. to whoever asked, I did take the MSF course, here in Providence, RI. = (only $20! because it's required of all riders.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 20:58:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4E0wJa22566; Mon, 13 May 2002 20:58:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: info@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, nolanb@XXXXXX, barnacle@XXXXXX, fastlanecycles@XXXXXX, teambaked@XXXXXX, kevin.elliott@XXXXXX, christopher.ford@XXXXXX, hakola@XXXXXX, alanlapp@XXXXXX, halfpint@XXXXXX, gary@XXXXXX, mercer854@XXXXXX, dmiddleton3@XXXXXX, mjmiller50@XXXXXX, dmurray@XXXXXX, smyers40@XXXXXX, seapup@XXXXXX, rpatch@XXXXXX, Schmidlejr@XXXXXX, artstaples@XXXXXX, thanescott@XXXXXX, sstoy@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX, gtravers@XXXXXX, chrisw@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 20:55:50 -0400 Subject: Can you detect the ghostly image and sound? Message-ID: <20020513.205550.-558095.2.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4,6,8-11,13-17,19-32 From: Tom Fitzpatrick > This is pretty neat. Apparently the owners of this house had been seeing > images and hearing voices for quite a while. They did some research and > found that a lady once lived in the house who lost her husband during the > civil war. Legend says that she used to sit at the table and look across the > fields in anticipation of her loved one returning home. He never came. So, > they say she still waits. They caught this photo of what they claim to be > her. > > This one was wild and a little spooky once you find the ghost in the picture. > It took me a few seconds to find it, but when you do it just stands out. Like > one of those optical illusions. > > To save you some time, concentrate around the table . Best not to focus too > much on one spot. Look around the table and toward the window. > > Click on the link below for the picture. Best to enlarge. For an added touch > turn up the volume, it's faint but you can hear the ghost talking sometimes > in a low murmur. > > http://home.attbi.com/~n9ivo/whatswrong.swf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 21:06:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4E168M22844; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:06:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020513211950.04843770@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:19:55 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: WTB: cheapie beginner bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:30 AM 5/13/02 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >Cycle Trader (www.cycletrader.com) is another good place. Your can search >by price range and geographic area. That's how I got my first bike, a >cherry '91 CB750 with 7K miles for not much money. > >Paul in DC Didn't someone recently post a CB750 with 14k miles for $2200 right here on this very list? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 21:56:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4E1u0e23625; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:56:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Saturday's Photos from Summit Point Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:56:41 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c1faea$985a4ab0$1b06030a@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal http://www.2whee ljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/020511/020511.htm Sunday's photos are in the works. Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 23:00:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4E30Js24740; Mon, 13 May 2002 23:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020513220747.04596ac0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:08:14 -0400 To: Tom Fitzpatrick From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Can you detect the ghostly image and sound? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020513.205550.-558095.2.CelticRacing@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:55 PM 5/13/02 -0400, you wrote: >Can you detect the Photoshop editing? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 13 23:15:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4E3Fxx25109; Mon, 13 May 2002 23:15:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:15:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Saturday's Photos from Summit Point From: David Cross To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c1faea$985a4ab0$1b06030a@5Q39911> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 5/13/02 9:56 PM, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > http://www.2whee ljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/020511/020511.htm Great pictures Gary! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 04:32:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4E8Whb00296; Tue, 14 May 2002 04:32:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: Wayne Edelen Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Re: WTB: cheapie beginner bike Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 04:39:52 -0400 Message-ID: <69j1eu03ibn16n5im3rmpva22708i0onph@4ax.com> References: <3.0.32.20020513211950.04843770@noid.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020513211950.04843770@noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4E8Wfl00284 Correct me if i'm wrong, but i beleive he said he wanted to spend about $1500. best advice: do a search at cycletrader.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 07:54:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EBsxY03224; Tue, 14 May 2002 07:54:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:54:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: WTB: cheapie beginner bike In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020513211950.04843770@noid.org> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 May 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Didn't someone recently post a CB750 with 14k miles for $2200 right > here on this very list? :-) Yep... and if I had $2200 to spend, I'd already have bought it. :) I realize that some of you consider the CB750 to be A) too powerful for a newbie, or B) boring, but it fits right in with my "unfaired, competent, reliable standard" criteria... Stupid housing market. Any of you with houses, you should consider listing them for absurd values -- no house is staying on the market for greater than a week or two. It's a totally crazy seller's market, which is really cutting into my bike budget. :) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 09:17:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EDHxN04662; Tue, 14 May 2002 09:17:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003201c1fb4a$176f3400$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: WTB: cheapie beginner bike Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:20:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 You might look at the older generation of Nighthawks from the 80s. Lower priced, shaft drive, with hydraulic adjusters just like the 90s version. Pretty docile for a newbie, but not confining either. It don't consider a 91+ Nighthawk to be too powerful, they make about 65 hp at the rear wheel and will top out at about an honest 105 mph, downhill, with a strong tailwind. The biggest liability the bike has is its weight and weak brakes, in my opinion. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > > Yep... and if I had $2200 to spend, I'd already have bought it. :) I > realize that some of you consider the CB750 to be A) too powerful for a > newbie, or B) boring, but it fits right in with my "unfaired, competent, > reliable standard" criteria... > > Stupid housing market. Any of you with houses, you should consider listing > them for absurd values -- no house is staying on the market for greater > than a week or two. It's a totally crazy seller's market, which is really > cutting into my bike budget. :) > > Fish. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 09:27:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EDRIi04969; Tue, 14 May 2002 09:27:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514132707.3044.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Trailer Wheel Chock Question To: Jason Picton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96062C41A6@wash58.acs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i have the same problem with my VTR. The front disc hits, so I just put a piece of wood under it to raise the wheel. Todd --- Jason Picton wrote: > I recently mounted some wheel chocks (permanent > screw in ones for sport > bikes) in a trailer. The problem is that the front > wheels of my superhawk > and a buddies RC51 don't roll right in to the > chocks. They can be bumped in, > but then the front disks are touching the chock - > which could be a problem. > > I have double-checked and the chocks are the ones > for sport bikes and are > the right one (supposedly). I am going to use the > jack from my car to widen > them a little and put at piece of 2x4 underneath to > raise the tire slightly > so the chock won't hit my disk. > > Has anyone else had any similiar problems with > this???? > > Any help would be appreciated... > > Jason > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 09:44:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EDiI205417; Tue, 14 May 2002 09:44:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514134415.36677.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: where are all the trailers? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We've got moto-cops by the dozens terrorizing motorists and citizens alike; roving in packs of wolves, lights ablaze and sirens at full scream - escorting their precious tour busses. They sure aren't local. So where did they park all the trailers? After all, the HD mystique is one of trailering to town and then riding around in open pipes. *duck* Did they park them at the city limits like in Chantily or Manassas or ??? Don't tell me they actually rode their "couches with blinky lights" to DC from home base. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:01:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EE1W505854; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:01:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:01:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Motorcycle Trailers (the other kind) Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Saw an unusual -- for me -- sight this morning on the BW Parkway... a couple of touring bikes (didn't catch the make or model, they were heading the other way), not _on_ trailers, but _towing_ them. Looked like smallish (Class-I, I'd say, or smaller) single-axle trailers. Bizarre. Maybe someday we'll see a big bike towing a trailer... with the car on top. :) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:04:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EE4Be05969; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:04:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020514100410.00c90968@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:05:40 -0400 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? In-Reply-To: <20020514134415.36677.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed An Alexandria police lieutenant told me last night that most of them are staying at the Hilton and other hotels out by Seminary Road and 395. -- Larry At 09:44 AM 5/14/2002, matthew patton wrote: >We've got moto-cops by the dozens terrorizing motorists and citizens >alike; roving in packs of wolves, lights ablaze and sirens at full >scream - escorting their precious tour busses. They sure aren't local. >So where did they park all the trailers? After all, the HD mystique is >one of trailering to town and then riding around in open pipes. *duck* >Did they park them at the city limits like in Chantily or Manassas or >??? Don't tell me they actually rode their "couches with blinky lights" >to DC from home base. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EE7uN06217; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:07:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514140753.66068.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 07:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020514100410.00c90968@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ahh... THAT could explain why I heard sirens blaring all weekend while teaching at the Alexandria campus. Sure, I usually hear a siren once in a while, but they seemed to be blaring all day long, and the range is only about a half mile from the hotel. Louis --- llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > An Alexandria police lieutenant told me last night that most of them are > staying at the Hilton and other hotels out by Seminary Road and 395. > > -- Larry > > At 09:44 AM 5/14/2002, matthew patton wrote: > >We've got moto-cops by the dozens terrorizing motorists and citizens > >alike; roving in packs of wolves, lights ablaze and sirens at full > >scream - escorting their precious tour busses. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:09:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EE9wR06309; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:09:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle Trailers (the other kind) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 May 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > Bizarre. Maybe someday we'll see a big bike towing a trailer... with the > car on top. :) I can easily imagine this - especially after sitting on a "Big Brute", which looked to be a 350ci v8 bike that had a rear tire about as large as the one on an mid-80's corvette. I could barely get the bike off of it's kickstand. 2 forward, 1 reverse gear, auto transmission. Insane. If your interest is piqued, Rhodes cycles in Herndon has it. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations/DNS Engineering cerberus@XXXXXX "Karate Bagels presents: Easter colored bagels" Irony. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:15:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EEFgA06672; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:15:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020514101518.00ce1210@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:17:22 -0400 To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Trailers (the other kind) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Kinda like the one in the pix at http://www.ona-gwynne.com/SA-090101.htm? My brother pulled that trailer from Washington state to Atlanta on his vacation last year, and said the Valk felt no different with it attached. -- Larry At 10:01 AM 5/14/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >Saw an unusual -- for me -- sight this morning on the BW Parkway... a >couple of touring bikes (didn't catch the make or model, they were heading >the other way), not _on_ trailers, but _towing_ them. Looked like smallish >(Class-I, I'd say, or smaller) single-axle trailers. > >Bizarre. Maybe someday we'll see a big bike towing a trailer... with the >car on top. :) > >Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:17:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EEHu506789; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:17:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:17:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200205141417.g4EEHjq02893@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? Larry indicated - An Alexandria police lieutenant told me last night that most of them are staying at the Hilton and other hotels out by Seminary Road and 395. [Dave] Tell him the guy with the very fast, tire spinning black truck says hello and better luck next time (well... not really) :-) I can indeed confirm that is where they're staying, as I work directly across from there. Irony of it is, all the local cops are double parked :-| Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EEJ2w06926; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:19:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:19:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle Trailers (the other kind) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020514101518.00ce1210@mail.9netave.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 May 2002 llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > Kinda like the one in the pix at > http://www.ona-gwynne.com/SA-090101.htm? Yeah, they looked a lot like that. It'd be interesting to see how a Valkyrie would do towing a laden trailer over the Snoqualmie Pass or the like... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:47:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EElM407559; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:47:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:47:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Bent Frames Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How feasible is it to straighten bent frames, and make a bike rideable again? Context: In my search for cheap bikes, I came across a 1991 CB750 in Philly with a "slightly" (whatever that means) bent frame, but according to the seller, it is in otherwise good running condition. All for the low, low price of $375 -- which seems _very_ low. I think I have another deal lined up, but it sounds like it might be a good parts bike for any CB750 owners on the list, even if the frame couldn't be straightened. If yer interested, drop me a line and I'll feed you the guy's name and number. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EEn8K07688; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:49:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006b01c1fb56$0b52a790$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Reply-To: "Patti Rodgers" From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Dc-Cycles" References: <20020514134415.36677.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:45:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 > They sure aren't local. > So where did they park all the trailers? > ??? Don't tell me they actually rode their "couches with blinky lights" > to DC from home base. > > It's National Law Enforcement Week. Big party down on Indiana Avenue. And I seriously doubt any of those guys trailered their bikes. These guys are more die-hard than anyone I know. I met some on Sunday who had come from Michigan and Kansas, plus I saw the Texas State Troopers, Seattle Police, Fort Lauderdale, etc. The Blue Knights, Warthogs, Iron Knights, etc, all the police motorcycle clubs. The Law Ride is the first Official event of Police Week and all the jurisdictions send some motormen to ride it. FWIW there were approx. 10,000 bikes at the Law Ride on Sunday, 700 of which were uniformed officers on service bikes. It's always a good time. My group got escorted from Arlington to RFK by a Gremlin, cop-owned and cop-operated; the cops painted the Gremlin black-and-white like the old police cars and outfitted it with sirens and lights, plus a PA system playing the Theme from Cops. Confused the hell out of a lot of drivers on 395. Sounds like a cop car, sorta looks like a cop car, but something's not quite right... I am putting some pictures on my web site http://miss-patti.com I need to tweak it a bit so apologies in advance for images that don't load and the overall slowness of the site. Should be better by tonight. Personally I think it's good fun to go play with the cops. They definitely know how to have a good time, and who's gonna arrest you?! cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EErRF07988; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:53:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: where are all the trailers? Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:53:18 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2002 14:53:18.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[15829350:01C1FB57] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4EErQl07976 I crossed paths with a bunch of moto cops while out riding on Sunday. I was glad to see that at least half of them were setting a good example by riding around in t-shirts. Original Message: ----------------- It's National Law Enforcement Week. Big party down on Indiana Avenue. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EEuOL08137; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:56:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016701c1fb57$d4004ac0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <200205141417.g4EEHjq02893@atlanta.pop3now.com> Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:56:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 There are a bunch of vintage cop cars around too, with vintage sirens. I'm having serious Dukes of Hazzard flashbacks. I followed some of them back into the city last night. Is there a police bike rodeo in conjunction with all these events? Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > Larry indicated - > > An Alexandria police lieutenant told me last night that most of them > are staying at the Hilton and other hotels out by Seminary Road and > 395. > > [Dave] Tell him the guy with the very fast, tire spinning black > truck says hello and better luck next time (well... not really) :-) > > I can indeed confirm that is where they're staying, as I work > directly across from there. Irony of it is, all the local cops are > double parked :-| > > Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 10:59:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EExvK08350; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:59:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:00:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've always wondered why moto cop's uniforms don't consist of a leather jacket, pants, or a full face helmet. At least they wear boots. -----Original Message----- From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:53 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: where are all the trailers? I crossed paths with a bunch of moto cops while out riding on Sunday. I was glad to see that at least half of them were setting a good example by riding around in t-shirts. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 11:08:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EF81K08654; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:08:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514150754.18995.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:07:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? To: Dc-Cycles In-Reply-To: <006b01c1fb56$0b52a790$561452a4@D7LVNR01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ah, the annual come to DC and get wasted festival. Remember when some NYPD cops were here and pretty much razed a local hotel while MPD did nothing. I wonder when they are going to errect a memorial in DC to all the innocent people shot and killed by cops over the years? Mark --- Patti Rodgers wrote: > > > They sure aren't local. > > So where did they park all the trailers? > > ??? Don't tell me they actually rode their > "couches with blinky lights" > > to DC from home base. > > > > > > It's National Law Enforcement Week. Big party down > on Indiana Avenue. And > I seriously doubt any of those guys trailered their > bikes. These guys are > more die-hard than anyone I know. I met some on > Sunday who had come from > Michigan and Kansas, plus I saw the Texas State > Troopers, Seattle Police, > Fort Lauderdale, etc. The Blue Knights, Warthogs, > Iron Knights, etc, all > the police motorcycle clubs. The Law Ride is the > first Official event of > Police Week and all the jurisdictions send some > motormen to ride it. > > FWIW there were approx. 10,000 bikes at the Law Ride > on Sunday, 700 of which > were uniformed officers on service bikes. It's > always a good time. My > group got escorted from Arlington to RFK by a > Gremlin, cop-owned and > cop-operated; the cops painted the Gremlin > black-and-white like the old > police cars and outfitted it with sirens and lights, > plus a PA system > playing the Theme from Cops. Confused the hell out > of a lot of drivers on > 395. Sounds like a cop car, sorta looks like a cop > car, but something's not > quite right... > > I am putting some pictures on my web site > http://miss-patti.com I need to > tweak it a bit so apologies in advance for images > that don't load and the > overall slowness of the site. Should be better by > tonight. > > Personally I think it's good fun to go play with the > cops. They definitely > know how to have a good time, and who's gonna arrest > you?! > > cheers, > > patti > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 11:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EFF9U08959; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:15:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:10:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) To: RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CE128DA.41C2AAE@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > I've always wondered why moto cop's uniforms don't consist of a leather > jacket, pants, or a full face helmet. At least they wear boots. But as far as I know, those boots don't look to have much in ankle protection. I can understand not having a full face helmet (let the public see your face, make your directions clearer to understand, no vision obstructions, etc. And why do they always ride side-by-side? Is it just because Ponch and Jon rode that way on CHiP's? There simply cannot be a good tactical reason to ride that close to another bike all the time. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 11:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EFNLK09228; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:23:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01fc01c1fb5b$9aecf220$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:25:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well, they do, but you know it's all hot and stuff.... My wife saw a US Capitol Police officer take a tumble off his bike at low speed (short sleeves, shorty helmet and cotton pants) and she said he was a mess. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > I've always wondered why moto cop's uniforms don't consist of a leather > jacket, pants, or a full face helmet. At least they wear boots. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > I crossed paths with a bunch of moto cops while out riding on Sunday. I was > glad to see that at least half of them were setting a good example by riding > around in t-shirts. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 11:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EFOUC09322; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:24:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514111907.023b56e0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:24:15 -0400 To: Dc-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? In-Reply-To: <20020514150754.18995.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <006b01c1fb56$0b52a790$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:07 AM 5/14/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Ah, the annual come to DC and get wasted festival. >Remember when some NYPD cops were here and pretty much >razed a local hotel while MPD did nothing. > >I wonder when they are going to errect a memorial in >DC to all the innocent people shot and killed by cops >over the years? Whoa, did Mark just turn this moto related thread into an off-topic discussion on police brutality? I guess off-topic posts bother you, unless it is something you are interested in? :-/ I haven't seen this barrage of visiting cops on the road in the suburbs. Too bad. Must be cool to see so many bikers gathered from one profession. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr Just say no to left wing dogma. 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 11:26:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EFQcI09532; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:26:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:26:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 May 2002 RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > I've always wondered why moto cop's uniforms don't consist of a > leather jacket, pants, or a full face helmet. At least they wear > boots. I still have a photo somewhere of a German motorcycle cop, in full green leathers (such a pretty shade of green, too), full-face helmet, and slung SMG. Not a man to be trifled with. Fish. cue the gun thread From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 11:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EFa0d09915; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:36:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514153553.69790.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? To: Troutman , Dc-Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514111907.023b56e0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Troutman, can't you get it through your mind that what I was sick of was not an off-topic post, but about 150 posts between Chuck, Gimer et al pretty much playing a litte boys game of 'I am smarter than you'. Not the same thing as what I just did (although this email is about to go down that road.....) > Whoa, did Mark just turn this moto related thread > into an off-topic > discussion on police brutality? I guess off-topic > posts bother you, unless > it is something you are interested in? :-/ > > I haven't seen this barrage of visiting cops on the > road in the > suburbs. Too bad. Must be cool to see so many > bikers gathered from one > profession. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > Just say no to left wing dogma. > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 11:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EFai909961; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:36:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [128.148.200.163] From: "Simon Weiss" To: References: Subject: German Vehicles Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:38:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2002 15:35:38.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF3FD160:01C1FB5C] My impression is that Germans know how to 'do' their vehicles. They've got the autobahn, the Porsche, and BMW...and now the police wear full leathers. Germans even invented the CV joint, a beautiful thing. Our country needs more respect for vehicles in general - better appreciation for the engineering and capabilities of these machines we all rely on. Unfortunately, drivers, in general suck (especially in providence). -Simon ps. so now that the Bandit sold for more than I could afford, I'm still on the market for a first bike (which can include Hurricanes and F2s) - so if anyone knows any available candidates, I'd love to know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:26 AM Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) > On Tue, 14 May 2002 RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I've always wondered why moto cop's uniforms don't consist of a > > leather jacket, pants, or a full face helmet. At least they wear > > boots. > > I still have a photo somewhere of a German motorcycle cop, in full green > leathers (such a pretty shade of green, too), full-face helmet, and slung > SMG. Not a man to be trifled with. > > Fish. > cue the gun thread > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 11:50:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EFog910456; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:50:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514155040.8469.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:50:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? To: Mark Kitchell , Troutman , Dc-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020514153553.69790.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii mark, mark, mark. the game "i am smarter than you" is certainly a children's game.... but we don't play it. the game that chuck and i play is called "you are a frigging idiot," and it is recommended for ages 8 through adult. -- tg --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Troutman, can't you get it through your mind that what > I was sick of was not an off-topic post, but about 150 > posts between Chuck, Gimer et al pretty much playing a > litte boys game of 'I am smarter than you'. Not the > same thing as what I just did (although this email is > about to go down that road.....) > > > > Whoa, did Mark just turn this moto related thread > > into an off-topic > > discussion on police brutality? I guess off-topic > > posts bother you, unless > > it is something you are interested in? :-/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 11:50:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EFowA10484; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:50:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) In-Reply-To: <3CE128DA.41C2AAE@comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 May 2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > And why do they always ride side-by-side? Is it just > because Ponch and Jon rode that way on CHiP's? There > simply cannot be a good tactical reason to ride that close > to another bike all the time. I watched 4 VA State moto-officers ride side by side as pairs up the beltway, in formation onto 267, through the toll booth, in formation, and then pull off onto the little "pull in" space to the left not long after the toll plaza on westbound 267 -- STILL in formation. Big time speed trap. Still, was amazing to watch how careful and precise these guys were being. Maybe its motorcade practice. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 11:58:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EFwf010812; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:58:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:58:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 3/4 helmets would still allow for their faces to be seen and them to talk to people. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 12:08:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EG8tu11107; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:08:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514160853.91257.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? To: Mark Kitchell , Dc-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020514150754.18995.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I wonder when they are going to errect a memorial in > DC to all the innocent people shot and killed by > cops > over the years? > > Mark > Maybe when that number is larger than the number of Cops intentionally murdered by shitbags. Accidents happen. Sometimes in the course of doing their job, they accidently take a life. Do you think they don't care about that? Do you think that does not affect them emotionally? What do you do for a living? How much time do you have to make life and death decisions? Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 12:38:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EGcGH11703; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:38:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:38:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200205141638.g4EGc8l32466@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I wonder when they are going to errect a memorial in > DC to all the innocent people shot and killed by > cops over the years? Todd W responded - Maybe when that number is larger than the number of Cops intentionally murdered by shitbags. [Dave] There is a legal principle known as 'escalation of force' that basically says if you respond to a threat with a bigger threat, you are no longer 'blameless' in a confrontation. Approaching a stopped vehicle, for say, speeding, with a drawn gun when there are no indicators that the potential occupant(s) are known felons is an unnecessary 'escalation of force'. OTOH, how is one to know for certain who the occupant of a vehicle is???? there's the rub. Accidents happen. Sometimes in the course of doing their job, they accidently take a life. [Dave] Whoa. If any one of us dropped a loaded shotgun, which went off killing the neighbor's 3 year old, the defense 'accidents happen' would get you 20 years in the joint. So it should be for ANY and EVERY law enforcement officer anywhere. Accidents may happen, but consequences should attach. Same as with traffic accidents arising from pursuits. Accidents don't JUST HAPPEN. They arise from particular sets of circumstances directly related to the individuals involved and the actions they took. Do you think they don't care about that? Do you think that does not affect them emotionally? [Dave] I don't think that's conceivable. Everyone would be affected by a fatal encounter. There are some departments that are more prone to fatal and violent encounters than others, yet they seem to get away with it with impunity. What do you do for a living? How much time do you have to make life and death decisions? [Dave] Exactly the same amount of time as anyone else. Very few situations put law enforcement (percentage wise) in life or death situations; domestic disputes & felony traffic stops being 2 common ones. One of the students I took my force on force class with found 'a guy sitting at a desk' & put a (simunitions) round right between his eyes without so much as a peep... he didn't pass the scenario. It's easy to write about life or death situations and what you *THINK* you might do, it's a whole other ball of wax what you actually will do. Many more situations put average citizens in far more danger, with fewer means of protection. Speaking as an observer of many traffic stops (not necessarily the one being detained), about 7 of 10 cops 'bring this on themselves' with their attitudes and actions. PG officer Carlton Jones being one. He violated protocol, should've lost the protection of the state, and been prosecuted for illegal use of a firearm in commission of a felony, murder and other crimes associated with his illegal pursuit of a citizen outside of MD into DC and VA. That in no way excuses a shitbag for murdering a cop. or anyone else. I think the trailers are parked in the garage of the Hilton, BTW... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 12:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EGdZX11771; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:39:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:39:01 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Message-ID: <2F90700E.53522717.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Would someone be kind enough to give me directions to Skyline Rd and Rt 211 from Washington,DC. Thnaks :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 12:55:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EGtL412196; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:55:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: Mark Kitchell Cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: where are all the trailers? Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:02:36 -0400 Message-ID: <4mg2euckjqam8o70sme3mpljd758li91no@4ax.com> References: <006b01c1fb56$0b52a790$561452a4@D7LVNR01> <20020514150754.18995.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020514150754.18995.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4EGtKl12184 |>I wonder when they are going to errect a memorial in |>DC to all the innocent people shot and killed by cops |>over the years? Probably right after they free all the innocent but wrongfully arrested people from jail. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 12:58:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EGwFT12402; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:58:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514125619.02427eb0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:57:58 -0400 To: dc-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 In-Reply-To: <2F90700E.53522717.001912B6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:39 PM 5/14/2002, you wrote: >Would someone be kind enough to give me directions to Skyline Rd and Rt >211 from Washington,DC. Thnaks :) Fun directions, or straight ones? 66 West to 29 South to Warrenton Right on 211 West to the mountain. I prefer various backroads to Warrenton, then right at the grocery store off 211 in Warrenton, and follow the VA Byway roads back to the mountains. Danny T has road numbers I believe. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 12:59:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EGxm512515; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:59:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: RE: Re: where are all the trailers? Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:07:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4EGxkl12483 Hey atleast they wave back... that places them a rank above a certain other group of riders... |>I crossed paths with a bunch of moto cops while out riding on Sunday. I was glad to see that at least half of them were setting a good example by riding around in t-shirts. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EH5tb12818; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:05:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514170549.90669.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 To: STmaven@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2F90700E.53522717.001912B6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii f skyline drive. to get to 211, here's teh simplest, yet most enjoyable route: 66W to exit 27; take a left onto route [] from the exit ramp; make your first right onto 647; take 647 a few miles and make a right onto 635; at the end of 635, make a left on 522; follow 522 to 211W; make a right it is approximately 35 miles from the exit at 66 to the ~twisties on 211. you will notice that i intentionally took you off of 647. that road, while enjoyable, is becoming more and more heavily patrolled by johnnie law. the local folks just don't like motorcycles anymore. plus, the pavement is now shit in certain areas. skyline drive can be found at the top of the gap on 211, but i wouldn't bother. $10 to get in plus a ~$75 ticket is not my idea of how to spend a nice weekend afternoon. --- STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > Would someone be kind enough to give me directions to > Skyline Rd and Rt 211 from Washington,DC. Thnaks :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EH6CO12836; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:06:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:04:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) To: RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CE143B4.B0C470CB@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > 3/4 helmets would still allow for their faces to be seen and them to talk to > people. But wouldn't allow them to hear bad guys sneaking up from behind so well. Not that a moto cop deafened by wearing a shorty helmet and no ear plugs for years has much chance of hearing anyone anyway. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:14:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHEK513230; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:14:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaD+vvKrQJXk3kIhq4hLiqubev3puTe10MrBD3rKWiphgKPy5pBh77VuvrW7NZ4a0g= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:14:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020514170549.90669.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal I concur with TG, with the following exception. It was a $121 ticket. --jon 01 Suz00k Bandito Grande > -----Tom Gimer wrote: > > f skyline drive. > > to get to 211, here's teh simplest, yet most enjoyable > route: > skyline drive can be found at the top of the gap on 211, > but i wouldn't bother. $10 to get in plus a ~$75 ticket is > not my idea of how to spend a nice weekend afternoon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHIpL13445; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:18:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:18:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: MD Insurance Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Crap, just when it was all starting to come together... it turns out State Farm won't insure me after all, due to a little lapse in insurance. (I still maintain it wasn't my fault.) Sooooo... I'm getting quotes from online vendors (blah, they're always fantastically expensive), but does anyone have any good tips for insurers in MD? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:22:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHM9q13668; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:22:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514172201.13836.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020514170549.90669.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > you will notice that i intentionally took you off of 647. > that road, while enjoyable, is becoming more and more > heavily patrolled by johnnie law. the local folks just > don't like motorcycles anymore. plus, the pavement is now > shit in certain areas. > > skyline drive can be found at the top of the gap on 211, > but i wouldn't bother. $10 to get in plus a ~$75 ticket is > not my idea of how to spend a nice weekend afternoon. Rt 211 goes out further west, you can take it all the way over another set of twisties to I-81 in New Market. However, be careful near Luray, I've seen a lot of police enforcement there as well. I have also rarely taken 211 and NOT seen a motorcycle accident somewhere along the way. As for Skyline Drive, if you want to do twisties and go at (fast but non-leathal) speed, I'd agree with Tom, avoid it. However, if you want to do some slower riding and take in some great scenery, then Skyline is a beautiful place to do so. My wife went through a whole roll of film in only a few miles (wanted to take some pictures while I was riding) when I took her two weeks ago. The scenic overlooks are breath taking. Now is the best time to go, during the fall, the drive is congested with slow leaf peepers. I only had to pass 2 cars when I went. If you plan on taking Skyline Drive often, you can get a one year pass for (I think) $50. The $10 normal entry speed is good for 7 days. And sometimes, if the park ranger is in a good mood, you only get charged $5, the bicycle rate. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:24:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHO6B13812; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514132306.023ba060@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:23:36 -0400 To: dc-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 In-Reply-To: <20020514170549.90669.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <2F90700E.53522717.001912B6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:05 PM 5/14/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >skyline drive can be found at the top of the gap on 211, >but i wouldn't bother. $10 to get in plus a ~$75 ticket is >not my idea of how to spend a nice weekend afternoon. Ahh, but it is so desolate South of 211. And the top of the BRP is so much fun.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:28:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHSfB14039; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:28:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYhn0Kze4LEqysMXkYPrUrprZXqp3fueP3hOEyeTy4jQfdanzL5p8tApzKeSR2XbJk= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:28:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020514172201.13836.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Then take whatever you want (including I-81 if you want to minimize time between twisties) a few (15?) miles south to 33, and head west. woo-hoo! --jon 01 'zuki 1200 Bandit > -----Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > Rt 211 goes out further west, you can take it all the way over > another set of > twisties to I-81 in New Market. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:29:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHT5x14083; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:29:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514172900.85474.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Atten: Mason Dixon 20-20 attendees To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry to interrupt the 211/Skyline Drive discussion, but I several people who are registered for the Mason Dixon 20-20 read DC-Cycles, so I wanted to let them know, head on over to the homepage (http://www.masondixon20-20.org/) and if you don't see something important show up, hit your "reload" button. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:40:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHevZ14478; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:40:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: where are all the trailers? Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:40:54 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2002 17:40:54.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F8F5A00:01C1FB6E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4EHetl14466 1. I am smarter than you ... that would be both Gimer and Kitchell. 2. Yes, you are a friggin' idiot ... that would be both Gimer and Kitchell. I'm glad we're clear on this. Original Message: ----------------- From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:50:40 -0700 (PDT) To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? mark, mark, mark. the game "i am smarter than you" is certainly a children's game.... but we don't play it. the game that chuck and i play is called "you are a frigging idiot," and it is recommended for ages 8 through adult. -- tg --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Troutman, can't you get it through your mind that what > I was sick of was not an off-topic post, but about 150 > posts between Chuck, Gimer et al pretty much playing a > litte boys game of 'I am smarter than you'. Not the > same thing as what I just did (although this email is > about to go down that road.....) > > > > Whoa, did Mark just turn this moto related thread > > into an off-topic > > discussion on police brutality? I guess off-topic > > posts bother you, unless > > it is something you are interested in? :-/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:43:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHh1l14678; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:43:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:50:16 -0400 Message-ID: <16h2eu4auptaonqc39698c7lk5o4kchs0t@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4EHh0l14664 Cool. Scan it! Show us!|>I still have a photo somewhere of a German motorcycle cop, in full green |>leathers (such a pretty shade of green, too), full-face helmet, and slung |>SMG. Not a man to be trifled with. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:43:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHh3r14699; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:43:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:50:17 -0400 Message-ID: <38h2eus1btb90p3aqhet9gc1qn7j3t88i3@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4EHh1l14682 And we are living in the age of flip up chin bar helmets... They can put the face down when they're riding. I would imagine leather pants would be hard to chase down a suspect in. Maybe they should bump up the uniform to textile type of gear (at least). On Tue, 14 May 2002 11:58:54 -0400, you wrote: |>3/4 helmets would still allow for their faces to be seen and them to talk to |>people. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:44:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHinr14960; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:44:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:43:56 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: Simon_Weiss69@XXXXXX ("Simon Weiss"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: German Vehicles Message-ID: <12C36244.03F158DE.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Actually, they don't wear full leathers anymore. They wear the goretex/cordura stuff now. If you check out ebay, you can always find a set of used German Polizei leathers for sale because they aren't allowed to wear them anymore. And yes, they are a lovely shade of green. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 14 May 2002 11:37:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Simon Weiss" writes: >My impression is that Germans know how to 'do' their vehicles. M- They've got >the autobahn, the Porsche, and BMW...and now the police wear full leathers. >Germans even invented the CV joint, a beautiful thing. M- Our country needs >more respect for vehicles in general - better appreciation for the >engineering and capabilities of these machines we all rely on. >Unfortunately, drivers, in general suck (especially in providence). > >-Simon > >ps. M- so now that the Bandit sold for more than I could afford, I'm still on >the market for a first bike (which can include Hurricanes and F2s) - so if >anyone knows any available candidates, I'd love to know. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Fish Flowers" >To: "DC-Cycles" >Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:26 AM >Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) > > >> On Tue, 14 May 2002 RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> > I've always wondered why moto cop's uniforms don't consist of a >> > leather jacket, pants, or a full face helmet. M- At least they wear >> > boots. >> >> I still have a photo somewhere of a German motorcycle cop, in full green >> leathers (such a pretty shade of green, too), full-face helmet, and slung >> SMG. Not a man to be trifled with. >> >> Fish. >> cue the gun thread >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:49:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHn5615135; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:49:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005801c1fb6f$f753f220$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20020514172900.85474.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Atten: Mason Dixon 20-20 attendees Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:51:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is unrelated to your post, but why does the registration close so early for the event? And 4/15 is not the most auspicious date to try to extract money from participants as the IRS man has our pockets turned inside out that day. Just wondering... The Rally Bubbas must have an offbeat sense of humor. I might have considered doing either the whole rally or the SaddleSore option but couldn't make a commitment six weeks out. Looks like I'll be doing a SaddleSore on my own with a good friend. Also, paying $75 ($150 for the two of us + one night in York) for the "privilege" of doing a SaddleSore seemed a little steep. I realize proceeds go to charity and all, but still. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" > Sorry to interrupt the 211/Skyline Drive discussion, but I several people who > are registered for the Mason Dixon 20-20 read DC-Cycles, so I wanted to let > them know, head on over to the homepage (http://www.masondixon20-20.org/) and > if you don't see something important show up, hit your "reload" button. > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 13:50:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EHoEZ15323; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: where are all the trailers? Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:50:11 -0400 To: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2002 17:50:12.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBB84F80:01C1FB6F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4EHoDl15311 150 posts??? Why that's a lie and slander and liable. Tom, can we sue Mark??? Original Message: ----------------- From: Mark Kitchell markkitchell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:35:53 -0700 (PDT) To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? Troutman, can't you get it through your mind that what I was sick of was not an off-topic post, but about 150 posts between Chuck, Gimer et al pretty much playing a litte boys game of 'I am smarter than you'. Not the same thing as what I just did (although this email is about to go down that road.....) > Whoa, did Mark just turn this moto related thread > into an off-topic > discussion on police brutality? I guess off-topic > posts bother you, unless > it is something you are interested in? :-/ > > I haven't seen this barrage of visiting cops on the > road in the > suburbs. Too bad. Must be cool to see so many > bikers gathered from one > profession. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > Just say no to left wing dogma. > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 14:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EI6K415754; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514180618.26386.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:06:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Atten: Mason Dixon 20-20 attendees To: Paul Wilson , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <005801c1fb6f$f753f220$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > This is unrelated to your post, but why does the registration close so early > for the event? And 4/15 is not the most auspicious date to try to extract > money from participants as the IRS man has our pockets turned inside out > that day. Just wondering... The Rally Bubbas must have an offbeat sense of > humor. Paul, that's a good question. First of all, yes, there is some humor involved in having the date be tax day, but there was a note on the web page for several weeks afterwards saying that if you were still interested, to send an e-mail message. So the deadline wasn't an absolute cut-off. Mainly the reason we need a good headcount before is that we need to be prepared. We had shirts made for all of the riders last year, and each shirt had the rider's name and motorcycle embroidered on it. That takes time to order. We also had a pretty good set of meals (IMHO), both on Friday night and Sunday night. We needed a good headcount to get that ordered in advance as well. We also need to make sure we have enough rally books, name tags, and whatever other little trinkets we decide upon. Also, the budget helped to determine the quality of the trophies we got. Not that they were solid gold, but we were able to get some pretty good looking trophies because we knew we had a good number of people last year (and this year too). Some rallies have bare minimum number of people. The rally is still fun, but the trinkets are smaller and more bareboned. > I might have considered doing either the whole rally or the SaddleSore > option but couldn't make a commitment six weeks out. Looks like I'll be > doing a SaddleSore on my own with a good friend. Also, paying $75 ($150 for > the two of us + one night in York) for the "privilege" of doing a SaddleSore > seemed a little steep. I realize proceeds go to charity and all, but still. I understand where you are coming from. One thing that we have talked about doing (and as far as I'm aware, we will be doing it) is showing riders our full budget sheet so they can see that we aren't making a profit off of this (there was an uproar on the Long Distance Riders list about some of the different amount of costs for various events). We (all of the rallybubbas for the MD2020) spent several hours arguing over each item in the budget list... how much for shirts, how good of a dinner, should we have hats, should we offer this or that? We don't want the cost to be through the roof, but at the same time, we want people to leave feeling good about everything they got. When you do your Saddle Sore 1000, if you need a start and/or finish witness, feel free to drop me a line. Louis > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > > > Sorry to interrupt the 211/Skyline Drive discussion, but I several people > who are registered for the Mason Dixon 20-20 read DC-Cycles, so I wanted to > let them know, head on over to the homepage (http://www.masondixon20-20.org/) > and if you don't see something important show up, hit your "reload" button. > > Louis > ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 14:08:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EI8K615891; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:08:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514180809.8604.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Re: where are all the trailers? To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > 150 posts??? Why that's a lie and slander and liable. > Tom, can we sue Mark??? that would be "libel" for which mr. kitchell might be held "liable." having published a false statement about you, mark could conceivably be sued. however, i see NO damages.... accordingly, "WE" aren't suing anybody, you frigging idiot. -- tg > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Mark Kitchell markkitchell@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:35:53 -0700 (PDT) > To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? > > > Troutman, can't you get it through your mind that what > I was sick of was not an off-topic post, but about 150 > posts between Chuck, Gimer et al pretty much playing a > litte boys game of 'I am smarter than you'. Not the > same thing as what I just did (although this email is > about to go down that road.....) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 14:19:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EIJc116199; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:19:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:05:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal That's a pic I'd like to see. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:27 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) On Tue, 14 May 2002 RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > I've always wondered why moto cop's uniforms don't consist of a > leather jacket, pants, or a full face helmet. At least they wear > boots. I still have a photo somewhere of a German motorcycle cop, in full green leathers (such a pretty shade of green, too), full-face helmet, and slung SMG. Not a man to be trifled with. Fish. cue the gun thread From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 14:38:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EIc0m16770; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:38:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514143933.027200c0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:39:48 -0700 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Atten: Mason Dixon 20-20 attendees In-Reply-To: <20020514172900.85474.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed THANKS LOUIS!!! I know what I'm doing tonight heh hehehe At 10:29 AM 5/14/02 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >Sorry to interrupt the 211/Skyline Drive discussion, but I several people who >are registered for the Mason Dixon 20-20 read DC-Cycles, so I wanted to let >them know, head on over to the homepage (http://www.masondixon20-20.org/) and >if you don't see something important show up, hit your "reload" button. > >Louis > > >===== >"Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours >Fairfax, VA >Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > >Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 14:46:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EIk7A17059; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:46:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514144152.02726dd0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:45:20 -0700 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , Paul Wilson , DC-Cycles From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Atten: Mason Dixon 20-20 attendees In-Reply-To: <20020514180618.26386.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <005801c1fb6f$f753f220$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Mainly the reason we need a good headcount before is that we need to be >prepared. We had shirts made for all of the riders last year, and each shirt >had the rider's name and motorcycle embroidered on it. That takes time to >order. We also had a pretty good set of meals (IMHO), both on Friday >night and >Sunday night. We needed a good headcount to get that ordered in advance as >well. We also need to make sure we have enough rally books, name tags, and >whatever other little trinkets we decide upon. Also, the budget helped to >determine the quality of the trophies we got. Not that they were solid gold, >but we were able to get some pretty good looking trophies because we knew we >had a good number of people last year (and this year too). Some rallies have >bare minimum number of people. The rally is still fun, but the trinkets are >smaller and more bareboned. > I've done a handful of LD events and I'd have to say that every single event was worth the registration fee. You get shirts, food, etc included in the fee and I know putting on an event like this can't be cheap..... > > I might have considered doing either the whole rally or the SaddleSore > > option but couldn't make a commitment six weeks out. Looks like I'll be > > doing a SaddleSore on my own with a good friend. Also, paying $75 > ($150 for > > the two of us + one night in York) for the "privilege" of doing a > SaddleSore > > seemed a little steep. I realize proceeds go to charity and all, but > still. You can do the SS and also collect boni as the rally is 36 hours....It isn't just a SS either- doing a rally like this is an adventure. Its fun, the people are great and it becomes addictive rather quickly.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 15:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EJ2jE17429; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:02:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.207] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:01:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2002 19:01:37.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[C648F810:01C1FB79] Tom & others, A few friends and I are heading to Thorton's Gap on Thursday. I'd like to take the opprotunity to push further west while we're out there. How is US 33 from Harrisonburg to Elkins? From Elkins, have either of you taken US 219 -> US 50 -> Winchester? Are there any other excellent roads along these general routes? TIA, Paul >From: Tom Gimer >To: STmaven@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 >Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:05:49 -0700 (PDT) > >f skyline drive. > >to get to 211, here's teh simplest, yet most enjoyable >route: > >66W to exit 27; >take a left onto route [] from the exit ramp; >make your first right onto 647; >take 647 a few miles and make a right onto 635; >at the end of 635, make a left on 522; >follow 522 to 211W; make a right > >it is approximately 35 miles from the exit at 66 to the >~twisties on 211. > >you will notice that i intentionally took you off of 647. >that road, while enjoyable, is becoming more and more >heavily patrolled by johnnie law. the local folks just >don't like motorcycles anymore. plus, the pavement is now >shit in certain areas. > >skyline drive can be found at the top of the gap on 211, >but i wouldn't bother. $10 to get in plus a ~$75 ticket is >not my idea of how to spend a nice weekend afternoon. > > > > >--- STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > > Would someone be kind enough to give me directions to > > Skyline Rd and Rt 211 from Washington,DC. Thnaks :) > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >http://launch.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 15:11:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EJBk117666; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:11:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514191140.56232.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:11:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 To: Paul Hutchins Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Hutchins wrote: > Tom & others, > > A few friends and I are heading to Thorton's Gap on > Thursday. I'd like to > take the opprotunity to push further west while we're out > there. How is US > 33 from Harrisonburg to Elkins? 33 is great....but i wouldn't go all the way to elkins on it. is this a day trip? > From Elkins, have either > of you taken US > 219 -> US 50 -> Winchester? yes. 50 is sweet. 219 is mostly sweepers (but also sweet). > Are there any other > excellent roads along these > general routes? yes. give me your time constraints and meeting point and i'll recommend a good loop. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 15:18:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EJICX17953; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:18:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019c01c1fb7c$693ce700$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" , "Lori Wilson" References: <005801c1fb6f$f753f220$bb82fea9@palladio1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020514144152.02726dd0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> Subject: Re: Atten: Mason Dixon 20-20 attendees Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:19:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'd have to confess that my first (and only) endurance rally experience was not all that favorable. First, the weather sucked big-time (35 degrees and an unrelenting hard rain that had me throwing in the towel after three hours) and second, I didn't particularly enjoy the hyper-competitive swagger on the part some of the "big dogs" who showed up. That's not to say I won't do another one, but I'd rather just ride and not deal with all the legalisms involved in collecting points, scoring, etc. I felt like I needed to call my attorney when it came to wading through the rally rules. That's why I found the SS option at the Mason-Dixon intriguing. Just ride and forget all the competitive noise. As for t-shirts and trinkets, I have several dresser drawers groaning with event t-shirts, hats, etc.--not to mention a kitchen shelf full of commemorative mugs--so the fewer the better is my preference. Just a little different perspective. Maybe I just prefer the "stand around and shoot the breeze while looking at everyone's bikes" sort of rally. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" ; "Paul Wilson" ; "DC-Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Atten: Mason Dixon 20-20 attendees > > > > >Mainly the reason we need a good headcount before is that we need to be > >prepared. We had shirts made for all of the riders last year, and each shirt > >had the rider's name and motorcycle embroidered on it. That takes time to > >order. We also had a pretty good set of meals (IMHO), both on Friday > >night and > >Sunday night. We needed a good headcount to get that ordered in advance as > >well. We also need to make sure we have enough rally books, name tags, and > >whatever other little trinkets we decide upon. Also, the budget helped to > >determine the quality of the trophies we got. Not that they were solid gold, > >but we were able to get some pretty good looking trophies because we knew we > >had a good number of people last year (and this year too). Some rallies have > >bare minimum number of people. The rally is still fun, but the trinkets are > >smaller and more bareboned. > > > > I've done a handful of LD events and I'd have to say that every single > event was worth the registration fee. You get shirts, food, etc included in > the fee and I know putting on an event like this can't be cheap..... > > > > I might have considered doing either the whole rally or the SaddleSore > > > option but couldn't make a commitment six weeks out. Looks like I'll be > > > doing a SaddleSore on my own with a good friend. Also, paying $75 > > ($150 for > > > the two of us + one night in York) for the "privilege" of doing a > > SaddleSore > > > seemed a little steep. I realize proceeds go to charity and all, but > > still. > > You can do the SS and also collect boni as the rally is 36 hours....It > isn't just a SS either- doing a rally like this is an adventure. Its fun, > the people are great and it becomes addictive rather quickly.... > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 15:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EJWNj18371; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:32:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZADQ5qBOm+vcFNC7MQXWInU5hFfY+V4Mv42qgU1h2JZ+W1RarI52XgM3sOLDVAD7s= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: OT: Why DC-cycles degenerates. Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:32:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020514191140.56232.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal It is the rule of the Twits. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/SiliconInsider/SiliconInsider_020514 .html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 15:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EJuA518829; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:56:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514195604.84669.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200205141638.g4EGc8l32466@atlanta.pop3now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > [Dave] There is a legal principle known as > 'escalation of force' > that basically says if you respond to a threat with > a bigger threat, > you are no longer 'blameless' in a confrontation. > Approaching a > stopped vehicle, for say, speeding, with a drawn gun > when there are > no indicators that the potential occupant(s) are > known felons is an > unnecessary 'escalation of force'. OTOH, how is one > to know for > certain who the occupant of a vehicle is???? > there's the rub. > Wrong. You MUST respond with a bigger threat in order to subdue the threat. If someone doubles up a fist and approaches me, I am not going to box him. I will use OC spray or a baton. If he approaches with a knife or impact weapon, then I draw my gun. Escalation of force is staying one level above what the attacker is at. As far as approaching a vehicle stop. Officer presence is the first level of the Use of Force Continuum. Verbal commands being the second. That is all that is needed in a traffic stop unless the driver takes it to a higher level. > [Dave] Whoa. If any one of us dropped a loaded > shotgun, which went > off killing the neighbor's 3 year old, the defense > 'accidents happen' > would get you 20 years in the joint. So it should > be for ANY and > EVERY law enforcement officer anywhere. Accidents > may happen, but > consequences should attach. Absolutely, when negligence is involved. If you are juggling loaded shotguns, then you should be prosecuted. If you are hunting, and trip in a gopher hole as you raise the shotgun, and have an accidental discharge, do you think you should be prosecuted? > Do you think they don't care about that? Do you > think that does not > affect them emotionally? > > [Dave] I don't think that's conceivable. Everyone > would be affected > by a fatal encounter. There are some departments > that are more prone > to fatal and violent encounters than others, yet > they seem to get > away with it with impunity. > > Then you need to bash those departments, not the profession. > What do you do for a living? How much time do you > have > to make life and death decisions? > > [Dave] Exactly the same amount of time as anyone > else. Very few > situations put law enforcement (percentage wise) in > life or death > situations; domestic disputes & felony traffic stops > being 2 common > ones. Percentage wise yes, but when you are out there during a 12 hour shift, you run into more situations than does the average computer programmer sitting at a desk for 8 hours. > Many more situations put average citizens in far > more danger, with > fewer means of protection. Cops are basically your average citizen, just with a different job. I have not met a Superman yet. No Aryan experimentation with genetically engineered cops that I know of. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 16:00:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EK0gZ19081; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:00:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514200031.96486.qmail@web21410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: Why DC-cycles degenerates. To: jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jon, at least finish the sentence. "Why DC-cycles degenerates" do what? -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 16:02:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EK2D919216; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:02:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:02:56 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Skyline Rd and RT 211 Message-ID: <51A4CDC6.285AEB38.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the info all. Your directions cut the mapquest time by an hour. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 16:02:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EK2qa19332; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:02:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514200240.25916.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 To: Paul Hutchins Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the loop that you are considering may take more time than you've allotted....especially since your starting point is near the city. we normally start ambitious loops 40 miles outside the district in marshall, virginia. that being said, i like your idea (33-219-50). however, if you are running into trouble with time, consider making the following alterations to the route.... a. run 33 PAST seneca rocks to 32 north to 93 to 42 to 50. OR, if time is really short.... b. from franklin (on 33W), run 220 up to 42 to 50. --- Paul Hutchins wrote: > This is a day trip. We would actually be meeting in > Rockville, MD around > 9am. The original intent was to ride out to Thorton's > Gap and play up and > down the mountain. I've done that a bunch and would > rather hit the Gap a > few times and then explore. > > My goal is to hit a more northern route/loop (back > towards MD) that would > put us up in the Winchester area. From there we can head > home to MD around > 4pm or so without hitting 66\495... > > Paul > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Paul Hutchins > -snip- > >33 is great....but i wouldn't go all the way to elkins > on > >it. > > > >is this a day trip? > > > > > > > > > From Elkins, have either > > > of you taken US > > > 219 -> US 50 -> Winchester? > > > >yes. 50 is sweet. 219 is mostly sweepers (but also > >sweet). > > > > > > > Are there any other > > > excellent roads along these > > > general routes? > > > >yes. give me your time constraints and meeting point > and > >i'll recommend a good loop. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 16:24:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EKO1u19845; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:24:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:23:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Escalation of Force (was: where are all the trailers?) In-Reply-To: <20020514195604.84669.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hate to post on an increasingly-OT thread, but... On Tue, 14 May 2002, Todd Withrow wrote: > Percentage wise yes, but when you are out there during a 12 hour > shift, you run into more situations than does the average computer > programmer sitting at a desk for 8 hours. I beg to differ. I'm sure that I have to restrain more killing urges in an hour than most police officers experience in a week. Fish. but then, i'm a sysadmin and not a coder, so i guess that follows From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 16:55:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EKt1Z20563; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:55:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514205458.9544.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:54:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 To: Paul Hutchins Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Hutchins wrote: > > > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Paul Hutchins > -snip- > >the loop that you are considering may take more time > than > >you've allotted....especially since your starting point > is > >near the city. we normally start ambitious loops 40 > miles > >outside the district in marshall, virginia. > > > >that being said, i like your idea (33-219-50). however, > if > >you are running into trouble with time, consider making > the > >following alterations to the route.... > > > >a. run 33 PAST seneca rocks to 32 north to 93 to 42 to > 50. > >OR, if time is really short.... > >b. from franklin (on 33W), run 220 up to 42 to 50. > > > > Thanks for the suggestions. Now that I'm looking at 32 > in more detail, it > looks like 32 -> SR72 -> 219 has some tight turns (esp. > SR72). It looks > like we would still be hitting the nicest section of 33 > anyway. Have you > been up SR72? Would we be missing anything if we simply > continued up 32 to > 93? i've been on 72. it has some very tight sections. the problem is, there is a lot of gravel, it is un-lined, and it is not wide enough for two cars to travel on it. plus, it is a 35 mph road and will take you an hour to get through it. this is NOT day-trip material.... but definitely worth riding if you're out in seneca rocks for the weekend. yes, you'd hit at least THREE very nice, memorable sections of 33. one west of harrisonburg; one short of seneca rocks; one past seneca rocks. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 16:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EKx3W20741; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:59:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.207] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:58:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2002 20:58:55.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[290C86F0:01C1FB8A] Thanks a bunch. It's always better to have a scouting report than guess what that little thin line in the mapping software represents... :) >From: Tom Gimer -snip- >i've been on 72. it has some very tight sections. the >problem is, there is a lot of gravel, it is un-lined, and >it is not wide enough for two cars to travel on it. plus, >it is a 35 mph road and will take you an hour to get >through it. this is NOT day-trip material.... but >definitely worth riding if you're out in seneca rocks for >the weekend. > >yes, you'd hit at least THREE very nice, memorable sections >of 33. one west of harrisonburg; one short of seneca >rocks; one past seneca rocks. > > >-- >tg _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 17:02:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EL2TE20953; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:02:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514210222.40583.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 To: Paul Hutchins Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Hutchins wrote: > Thanks a bunch. It's always better to have a scouting > report than guess > what that little thin line in the mapping software > represents... :) no problem. yes, it is always a horrible letdown when the best looking ones turn out to be gravel, dirt, or worse. unless, of course, your name is leon.... > >From: Tom Gimer > -snip- > >i've been on 72. it has some very tight sections. the > >problem is, there is a lot of gravel, it is un-lined, > and > >it is not wide enough for two cars to travel on it. > plus, > >it is a 35 mph road and will take you an hour to get > >through it. this is NOT day-trip material.... but > >definitely worth riding if you're out in seneca rocks > for > >the weekend. > > > >yes, you'd hit at least THREE very nice, memorable > sections > >of 33. one west of harrisonburg; one short of seneca > >rocks; one past seneca rocks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 17:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EL4f621091; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:04:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.207] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:04:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2002 21:04:34.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3388230:01C1FB8A] I don't mind so much. The VFR works pretty well on the gravel/dirt. We'll have someone on an RC51 though who will freak out if we hit anything that doesn't have a yellow line down the middle... :-P >From: Tom Gimer >To: Paul Hutchins >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 >Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:02:22 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Paul Hutchins wrote: > > Thanks a bunch. It's always better to have a scouting > > report than guess > > what that little thin line in the mapping software > > represents... :) > >no problem. yes, it is always a horrible letdown when the >best looking ones turn out to be gravel, dirt, or worse. >unless, of course, your name is leon.... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 17:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4ELI9421494; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:18:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <045601c1fb8d$21f2b800$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020514205458.9544.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:20:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I rode WV 72, in the rain. Not fun. Greasy red mud, gravel strewn hairpins. I don't think the road has seen maintenance in decades. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > > i've been on 72. it has some very tight sections. the > problem is, there is a lot of gravel, it is un-lined, and > it is not wide enough for two cars to travel on it. plus, > it is a 35 mph road and will take you an hour to get > through it. this is NOT day-trip material.... but > definitely worth riding if you're out in seneca rocks for > the weekend. > > yes, you'd hit at least THREE very nice, memorable sections > of 33. one west of harrisonburg; one short of seneca > rocks; one past seneca rocks. > > > -- > tg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 17:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4ELJ4k21605; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:19:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:18:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: where are all the trailers? (cop uniforms) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 May 2002, LindaT. wrote: > That's a pic I'd like to see. It's probably buried somewhere ("in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of The Leopard'"), but I'll take a look and post a link to it if I can find it. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 19:04:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4EN4ZT23509; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:04:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: MD Insurance Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:02:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c1fb9b$8716b700$b782c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Crap, just when it was all starting to come together... it turns out State Farm won't insure me after all, due to a little lapse in insurance. (I still maintain it wasn't my fault.) Sooooo... I'm getting quotes from online vendors (blah, they're always fantastically expensive), but does anyone have any good tips for insurers in MD? [Dave] Fish, I truly do sympathize. Unfortunately, as you're likely finding out about now, when your insurance lapses, you enter a ... whole new category of risk drivers. That happened to me just after my 19th birthday. I sent a request to remove a vehicle from my policy. Walterry removed ALL my vehicles & sent me a refund - that was a *clue*. I called, about 3 weeks had passed, raised hell, got hung up on, went there, raised still more hell, got asked to leave, filed complaints with them & the MD insurance commission, got my policy reinstated, but, too late to prevent the MVA goons from adding me to their 'compulsory insurance violator' list. I had 200 smackers in fines (it's more now). I got compulsory insurance proof requests for the next 7 or 8 years, sometimes twice, 3 times a year. BUT - the most problematic issue - the 'lapse in coverage' meant nobody would write me anything but a 'high risk' driver policy. I was able to put in a little more than a year of no ticket driving & got real insurance with Aetna as soon as I was 'eligible'. Bastards. Auto Insurance is a racket just like the Gambino crime family. A couple things you can consider - register the vehicles commercially OR in another person's name, with you as a named driver on an existing policy. You also may need to consider a $1k deductible for a while... Good luck Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 19:49:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4ENnSV24539; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:49:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020514234920.58408.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020514172201.13836.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > skyline drive can be found at the top of the gap on > 211, > > but i wouldn't bother. $10 to get in plus a ~$75 > ticket is > > not my idea of how to spend a nice weekend afternoon. > > Rt 211 goes out further west, you can take it all the way > over another set of > twisties to I-81 in New Market. However, be careful near > Luray, I've seen a > lot of police enforcement there as well. 211 is more consistently patrolled (we're talking speed-traps here) than ANY virginia road i've ever been on. > As for Skyline Drive, if you want to do twisties and go > at (fast but > non-leathal) speed, I'd agree with Tom, avoid it. > However, if you want to do > some slower riding and take in some great scenery, then > Skyline is a beautiful > place to do so. My wife went through a whole roll of > film in only a few miles > (wanted to take some pictures while I was riding) when I > took her two weeks > ago. The scenic overlooks are breath taking. Now is the > best time to go, > during the fall, the drive is congested with slow leaf > peepers. I only had to > pass 2 cars when I went. > > If you plan on taking Skyline Drive often, you can get a > one year pass for (I > think) $50. The $10 normal entry speed is good for 7 > days. And sometimes, if > the park ranger is in a good mood, you only get charged > $5, the bicycle rate. louis is right.... it is a beautiful stretch to visit. but it really irks me to have to pay to go out there and do so. $50 is $50...and speed enforcement borders on stupid. i believe a friend and fellow lister was cited for speeding ON A BICYCLE. kirk (or was it chris)? what was your speed? imo, the r6 ride would be more enjoyable (and cheaper) without skyline. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 19:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4ENnXM24561; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:49:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e.2821cce4.2a12fc6a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:48:58 EDT Subject: Re: MD Insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/14/2002 7:05:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Auto Insurance is a racket just like the Gambino > crime family. Don't insult the Gambino's I mean THAT is slander. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 20:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4F03T625142; Tue, 14 May 2002 20:03:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020514083147.011a6f9c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:17:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: WTB: cheapie beginner bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:54 AM 5/14/02 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 13 May 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> Didn't someone recently post a CB750 with 14k miles for $2200 right >> here on this very list? :-) > >Yep... and if I had $2200 to spend, I'd already have bought it. :) I >realize that some of you consider the CB750 to be A) too powerful for a >newbie, or B) boring, but it fits right in with my "unfaired, competent, >reliable standard" criteria... Gotcha. I didn't see your criteria on $$ to spend. Good luck! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 20:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4F03SN25125; Tue, 14 May 2002 20:03:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: MD Insurance Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:01:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c1fba3$a9a09900$b782c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1e.2821cce4.2a12fc6a@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In a message dated 5/14/2002 7:05:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Auto Insurance is a racket just like the Gambino > crime family. Don't insult the Gambino's I mean THAT is slander. [Dave] uhh... Who wrote that.... John Gotti was set up I tell you... ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 20:03:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4F03mE25258; Tue, 14 May 2002 20:03:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020514200202.011a2068@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:17:35 -0400 To: From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: German Vehicles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:38 AM 5/14/02 -0700, Simon Weiss wrote: >My impression is that Germans know how to 'do' their vehicles. They've got >the autobahn, the Porsche, and BMW...and now the police wear full leathers. Dude, c'mon, let's not forget Audi and Mercedes :-) -- Wayne - '01 Audi S4, '02 Mercedes SLK32 AMG :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 20:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4F0GKn25766; Tue, 14 May 2002 20:16:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [128.148.200.163] From: "Simon Weiss" To: References: <3.0.32.20020514200202.011a2068@noid.org> Subject: Re: German Vehicles Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:19:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2002 00:16:13.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8E9A4E0:01C1FBA5] Audie S4 are nice, pretty fast, but like the BMW M3, they're heavy as hell (not my idea of a real sports car). Old BMW motorcycles are beautiful works of machinery. Mercedes, nice cars, great for status, but like the S4 and M3, damn heavy. I don't like every amenity in my car - I don't like the yuppie trends now, but I'm sure when I'm old and lazier I will. When did they start offering the SLK32 with standard trannies anyways? I'm going to own a tube frame sports car in a few years - maybe I'll design it myself, I just need to graduate and pay back the 'rents first. -Simon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 20:50:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4F0oWx26405; Tue, 14 May 2002 20:50:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:50:21 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Message-ID: <4FD3EC12.7D298CCB.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Question is there a Mountain call Faith Mountain? Is that mountain on Rt. 211 or do we have to pay to get there? In a message dated Tue, 14 May 2002 M- 7:50:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom Gimer writes: >--- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: >> --- Tom Gimer wrote: >louis is right.... it is a beautiful stretch to visit. M- but >it really irks me to have to pay to go out there and do so. > $50 is $50...and speed enforcement borders on stupid. M- i >believe a friend and fellow lister was cited for speeding >ON A BICYCLE. M- kirk (or was it chris)? M- what was your >speed? > >imo, the r6 ride would be more enjoyable (and cheaper) >without skyline. > > >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >http://launch.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 21:24:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4F1O5i27042; Tue, 14 May 2002 21:24:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020514213733.01193ee4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:37:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: German Vehicles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:19 PM 5/14/02 -0700, you wrote: >Audie S4 are nice, pretty fast, but like the BMW M3, they're heavy as hell >(not my idea of a real sports car). Old BMW motorcycles are beautiful works The S4 is heavy, but still a great car that handles very well. Could use another 50-100hp, but hey you can't have everything. :-) >of machinery. Mercedes, nice cars, great for status, but like the S4 and >M3, damn heavy. I don't like every amenity in my car - I don't like the Oh yeah. At 3200lbs, it's pretty porky for it's size. Credit the 'amenities', stiff structure and retracting hard top. When I was searching for a roadster, the things that swayed me to the SLK were the 349hp motor and the retracting hardtop. >yuppie trends now, but I'm sure when I'm old and lazier I will. When did I guess at 29, I'm already old and lazy >they start offering the SLK32 with standard trannies anyways? I'm going to No manual tranny in any AMG offering, automagics only. >own a tube frame sports car in a few years - maybe I'll design it myself, I >just need to graduate and pay back the 'rents first. I have a street car that I race/work on, but even with a rollbar in it, I still have all of the creature comforts (AC, CD player, power windows/locks/etc) :-) With 450 engine HP (plus 150 on the hose), it will cruise down the highway all day and get over 25mpg (6spd tranny - .5:1 6th gear). Not bad IMO! That car is a pig, too... 3600lbs with me in it in 'race trim'. It's easy to build a stripper that's fast, it's more of a challenge to have a very quick, very comfortable car (like the S4/SLK) :-) Besides, it's fun to drive you car to the track, race it and drive it home. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 22:34:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4F2YD028280; Tue, 14 May 2002 22:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE1CA7D.5518CB8E@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:39:57 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? References: <200205141417.g4EEHjq02893@atlanta.pop3now.com> <016701c1fb57$d4004ac0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > There are a bunch of vintage cop cars around too, with vintage sirens. I'm > having serious Dukes of Hazzard flashbacks. I followed some of them back > into the city last night. > Yowzaa! Saw a fleet of vintage cop cars headed south on Jeff Davis about noonish today, lights-a-flashing and sirens wailing. The late `50s Dodge had my drooling atention, knowing it *had* to have a hemi under the hood. Didn't see any babes in Daisy Duke cutoffs - dernit. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 22:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4F2gBk28553; Tue, 14 May 2002 22:42:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE1CC5D.80DA03D3@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:47:57 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: where are all the trailers? References: <20020514134415.36677.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: > We've got moto-cops by the dozens terrorizing motorists and citizens > alike; roving in packs of wolves, lights ablaze and sirens at full > scream - escorting their precious tour busses. They sure aren't local. > So where did they park all the trailers? After all, the HD mystique is > one of trailering to town and then riding around in open pipes. *duck* > Did they park them at the city limits like in Chantily or Manassas or > ??? Don't tell me they actually rode their "couches with blinky lights" > to DC from home base. Yeppers, I bet quite a few made the ride. I worked a poker run on LawRide weekend a few years ago and most of the cops rode in, including the reputed oldest motorman still on duty, a pushing 60 guy from Buffalo NY. You're thinking about Bike Week... er, I meant Trailer week down in Daytona. Civilians who spend way more time polishing chrome than they do riding. I offer my Harley steed as an example, purchased used - 6 years old and 4K miles. Sure was shiny! And I do mean was, now more'n 30K and a tad rusty in spots. Milady sez "It's a nice day, wash your bike." Yeah, right - nice day = ride that sucker! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 14 22:45:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4F2jXc28773; Tue, 14 May 2002 22:45:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE1CD2C.D0D8DC00@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:51:24 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Sorry, paul... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of my posts - reply to all senders - made the dc-cycles elist but was rejected by your email "due to the presence of the phrase or word 'babes'." I didn't mean to offend your censor :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 07:02:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FB22e06871; Wed, 15 May 2002 07:02:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515110154.6877.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 04:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: rentals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's time again that my bike must go into the shop for some minor repairs. It needs to have new tires, chain and sprockets put on. The shops are all backed up and I was looking to find possible rentals. I found one in Sterling called AmeriSport rentals. They rent all sorts of sport bikes. Has anyone ever had dealings with them and if so, how was it? Steve 01' YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 07:13:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FBDa807129; Wed, 15 May 2002 07:13:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: German Vehicles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Suck! next, Hugh From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 07:45:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FBjCj07824; Wed, 15 May 2002 07:45:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:40:34 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: s_burrow@XXXXXX (Steven Burrow), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rentals Message-ID: <1DF7BC93.1532C681.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit They got a website? Scooter In a message dated Wed, 15 May 2002 M- 7:02:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Steven Burrow writes: >It's time again that my bike must go into the shop for >some minor repairs. It needs to have new tires, chain >and sprockets put on. The shops are all backed up and >I was looking to find possible rentals. I found one in >Sterling called AmeriSport rentals. They rent all >sorts of sport bikes. Has anyone ever had dealings >with them and if so, how was it? >Steve >01' YZF600R > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >http://launch.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 08:09:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FC9tJ08303; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:09:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515120953.65765.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 05:09:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 To: Tom Gimer , "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020514234920.58408.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > 211 is more consistently patrolled (we're talking > speed-traps here) than ANY virginia road i've ever > been on. > You don't spend much time on any of Virginia's HOV lanes do you? Picking on folks unable to count as high as two seems to be a very lucrative way to enforce the law. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 08:14:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FCEkP08508; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:14:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbvo4kFfL536T4+9qjcuxGl4CWPy5R4Nx1M9LQTxAfs5WTIiNHf4zT0BsZyTAG7Ozw= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: German Vehicles Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:14:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Too many wheels. F--- them. > Audie S4 are nice, pretty fast, but like the BMW M3, they're heavy as hell > (not my idea of a real sports car). Old BMW motorcycles are > beautiful works > of machinery. Mercedes, nice cars, great for status, but like the S4 and > M3, damn heavy. I don't like every amenity in my car - I don't like the > yuppie trends now, but I'm sure when I'm old and lazier I will. When did > they start offering the SLK32 with standard trannies anyways? > I'm going to > own a tube frame sports car in a few years - maybe I'll design it > myself, I > just need to graduate and pay back the 'rents first. > > -Simon > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 08:15:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FCFkN08619; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:15:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaLQ+6rjXqFermX5ZDZhsEfr0cEu5JyNZ1RgArLDlToaZN5QVH13I159SJFGcRHj2k= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:15:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <4FD3EC12.7D298CCB.001912B6@aol.com> Importance: Normal > Question is there a Mountain call Faith Mountain? I think that's Faith Hill's BIG sister. --jon I'm *so* going to hell for this. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 08:24:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FCOOu08931; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:24:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020515083806.04420758@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:38:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:09 AM 5/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >--- Tom Gimer wrote: >> 211 is more consistently patrolled (we're talking >> speed-traps here) than ANY virginia road i've ever >> been on. >> > >You don't spend much time on any of Virginia's HOV >lanes do you? Picking on folks unable to count as >high as two seems to be a very lucrative way to >enforce the law. > >Leon. MD HOV is the same way. You can cruise along at 90mph during rush hour, but don't you dare ride single in HOV :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 08:26:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FCQJu09063; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:26:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:25:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Isn't Faith Mountain that big store/emporium on 211 just this side of Sperryville??? And, yes, you are going to Hell. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:16 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 > Question is there a Mountain call Faith Mountain? I think that's Faith Hill's BIG sister. --jon I'm *so* going to hell for this. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 08:32:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FCW1w09360; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:32:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:31:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200205151231.g4FCVoR14129@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: M/C down WTOP said about 0748 M/C down on the Beltway. Hope you're ok whoever you are... Anyone know what happened ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:03:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FD32r10053; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:03:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515130300.46467.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 To: Tom Gimer , Paul Hutchins Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020514210222.40583.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > no problem. yes, it is always a horrible letdown > when the > best looking ones turn out to be gravel, dirt, or > worse. > unless, of course, your name is leon.... if it weren't for dirt roads and large quantities of fuel, I wouldn't be able to keep up with the MOFOs. One has to take what advantages are available. worse? . . . this has possibilities? mud, snow, large rocks? something else? Where is this road? Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:12:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDCKw10357; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:12:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515131214.26346.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: rentals To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1DF7BC93.1532C681.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Scooter, I have not seen a web site. I saw ads posted on Cycle Trader. I've called the number, but it was after hours. Brian, I'll check out how long the wait is and let you know. I really hate going long periods of time without the bike. Thanks, Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDO4T10723; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:24:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E75F@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: M/C down Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:23:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I heard the same thing on WMAL, only their report indicated that it took place in the left lane of the outer loop at the Van Dorn exit. My first thought went to Linda T but I see she posted this morning. I hope the rider is OK. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: M/C down WTOP said about 0748 M/C down on the Beltway. Hope you're ok whoever you are... Anyone know what happened ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:23:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDNrr10694; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:23:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 May 2002 13:23:41 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: O/T: feeling old X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:23:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020515062341.6690.h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> OK, I think it's happening...I'm officially becoming old. The other night I was at a work conference in Baltimore when a few of us "more active" people decided to go out in Downtown Baltimore for some drinks. Well, we show up to this bar that is obviously the "place to be" for local college kids, but it was the only place that really had anything going on for a Monday night, so we ventured in. Oh My God! For the first time in my life I felt OLD! I looked around at these supposed college kids, and they looked like they were 15 and acted like they were 12. On top of that, the stuff they were doing was completely shocking to me...Were we all like that when we were younger? Are college kids these days looking younger and younger? I think it's official now, after having all of these thoughts...I'm becoming an adult!?! AGGGGG! I'm getting OLD...HELP!!!! :) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDQGr10942; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:26:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515132613.82331.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:26:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rentals To: Steven Burrow , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020515131214.26346.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Steven Burrow wrote: > Scooter, > I have not seen a web site. I saw ads posted on Cycle > Trader. I've called the number, but it was after > hours. > Brian, I'll check out how long the wait is and let you > know. I really hate going long periods of time without > the bike. > Thanks, > Steve i'm lost. you need tires, chain and sprockets. and your bike is going away for a "long time"? how about a little personal initiative? you can do all of this stuff yourself.....easily. if you must, walk the wheels into CAD in gaithersburg and have them install the tires (purchased mail order or locally); buy the chain and sprockets from fast lane cycles and install 'em yourself. problems solved, and with a hefty cash savings. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDXwc11417; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:33:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515133355.93897.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: rentals To: Tom Gimer , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020515132613.82331.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, Problem is I live in a condo and have absolutely no where to work on the bike not to mention store all the tools I would need. I am basically at the mercy of those people that do. I already have all of the parts. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:36:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDaLp11595; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:36:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515133617.64771.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rentals To: Steven Burrow , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020515133355.93897.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'd be very surprised if someone from this list didn't help you finish this job.... i've got a chain breaker if you need to borrow one.... it ain't the fancy type, but it works --- Steven Burrow wrote: > Tom, > Problem is I live in a condo and have absolutely no > where to work on the bike not to mention store all the > tools I would need. I am basically at the mercy of > those people that do. I already have all of the parts. > Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:36:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDasG11660; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:36:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020515093540.0236d950@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:36:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old In-Reply-To: <20020515062341.6690.h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.critica lpath.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:23 AM 5/15/2002, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >I think it's official now, after having all of these >thoughts...I'm becoming an adult!?! AGGGGG! I'm >getting OLD...HELP!!!! Don't worry Laura, it isn't just you. You really are old. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:30:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDUhm11273; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:30:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 May 2002 13:30:30 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: O/T: feeling old X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:30:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020515063030.7813.h012.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> OK, I think it's happening...I'm officially becoming old. The other night I was at a work conference in Baltimore when a few of us "more active" people decided to go out in Downtown Baltimore for some drinks. Well, we show up to this bar that is obviously the "place to be" for local college kids, but it was the only place that really had anything going on for a Monday night, so we ventured in. Oh My God! For the first time in my life I felt OLD! I looked around at these supposed college kids, and they looked like they were 15 and acted like they were 12. On top of that, the stuff they were doing was completely shocking to me...Were we all like that when we were younger? Are college kids these days looking younger and younger? I think it's official now, after having all of these thoughts...I'm becoming a grown up!?! AGGGGG! I'm getting OLD...HELP!!!! :) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------- End of forwarded message ------- ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDcjJ11850; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:38:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 May 2002 13:38:36 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: RE: feeling old X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020515063836.12560.h005.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Wed, 15 May 2002, "Jon Strang" wrote > > twice? I got a notice saying that the list serv had rejected my email because it had the word "adult" in it. I guess it lied!!!! LOL Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDgdK12151; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:42:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008001c1fc16$b1f5ca80$0100a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Steven Burrow" , "Tom Gimer" , References: <20020515133355.93897.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: rentals Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:44:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 You already have ALL the parts? Where do you live? I have a small shop in my garage in Leesburg and I may be able to help you out. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Burrow" > Tom, > Problem is I live in a condo and have absolutely no > where to work on the bike not to mention store all the > tools I would need. I am basically at the mercy of > those people that do. I already have all of the parts. > Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 09:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FDnG212403; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:49:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3f.b8001a4.2a13c125@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:48:21 EDT Subject: Re: rentals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/15/2002 9:26:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > you can do all of this stuff yourself.....easily > problems solved, and with a hefty cash savings. > > Not to mention familiarizing yourself with your bike so that if you have a problem out in the middle of nowhere (say a flat) you are more likely to be able to fix it and get going again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 10:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FE0nL12806; Wed, 15 May 2002 10:00:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515140045.26166.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020515063030.7813.h012.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii laura: what were they doing that was so shocking? --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On top of that, the stuff they were doing was > completely shocking to me... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 10:13:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FEDt713199; Wed, 15 May 2002 10:13:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 May 2002 14:13:46 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:13:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020515071346.11364.h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Tom Gimer wrote > > laura: > what were they doing that was so shocking? > Of course, as a female, to me the stuff they were doing was shocking...to you males, you'll probably enjoy. first, guys were paying women to kiss each other...ok, no biggie, but as a female, accepting money for something like that in a bar and letting men take pictures of you is just ridiculous! second,women were pulling their shirts down and walking around with their shirts pulled down below their bras, leaving everything hanging out...ok, can we say "disrespect me" a little louder? I think the funniest thing, and I give the guy credit for this one (it's creative)...he had a stack of fake tattoos, and was wetting them down by pouring beer on the girls chests as he applied the tattoos to them. Then there was the typical stupid stuff "look buddy, am I with this girl or are you?"...guys fighting over the drunkest girl who has been with EVERYONE in the bar... That's just some of the wonderful displays of our youth today. I guess I just don't enjoy the whole bar scene like I used to. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 10:36:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FEaWb13759; Wed, 15 May 2002 10:36:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:36:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old In-Reply-To: <20020515071346.11364.h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 May 2002, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I guess I just don't enjoy the whole bar scene like I used to. It's funny, I never enjoyed the bar scene as much as I used to... (I always _felt_ like I should like bars, but really they're usually just noisy and obnoxious. Now, a nice dark pub where's you and your friends can curl up in the corner with some pints of Guinness... that's something else entirely.) Fish. hard of hearing under normal circumstances, totally deaf in most bars From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 10:36:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FEaT613735; Wed, 15 May 2002 10:36:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515143625.10205.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020515062341.6690.h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I went back to college, Virginia Tech, at 28 and graduated in '99 at the age of 32. I didn't feel old at the time, I thought I fit right in at the local bars just fine. I went back about a year later, and let me tell you, I felt like a friggin' grandpa! I don't miss it though, at least now I can afford the drinks. --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > OK, I think it's happening...I'm officially becoming > old. The other night I was at a work conference in > Baltimore when a few of us "more active" people > decided > to go out in Downtown Baltimore for some drinks. > > Well, we show up to this bar that is obviously the > "place to be" for local college kids, but it was the > only place that really had anything going on for a > Monday night, so we ventured in. > > Oh My God! For the first time in my life I felt > OLD! > I looked around at these supposed college kids, and > they looked like they were 15 and acted like they > were > 12. On top of that, the stuff they were doing was > completely shocking to me...Were we all like that > when > we were younger? Are college kids these days > looking > younger and younger? > > I think it's official now, after having all of these > thoughts...I'm becoming an adult!?! AGGGGG! I'm > getting OLD...HELP!!!! > > :) > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 10:54:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FEsbK14312; Wed, 15 May 2002 10:54:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515145434.84485.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020515071346.11364.h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Tom Gimer wrote > > > > > laura: > > what were they doing that was so shocking? > > > Of course, as a female, to me the stuff they were doing > was shocking...to you males, you'll probably enjoy. > > first, guys were paying women to kiss each other...ok, > no biggie, but as a female, accepting money for > something like that in a bar and letting men take > pictures of you is just ridiculous! > > second,women were pulling their shirts down and walking > around with their shirts pulled down below their bras, > leaving everything hanging out...ok, can we say > "disrespect me" a little louder? > > I think the funniest thing, and I give the guy credit > for this one (it's creative)...he had a stack of fake > tattoos, and was wetting them down by pouring beer on > the girls chests as he applied the tattoos to them. > > Then there was the typical stupid stuff "look buddy, am > I with this girl or are you?"...guys fighting over the > drunkest girl who has been with EVERYONE in the bar... > > That's just some of the wonderful displays of our youth > today. I guess I just don't enjoy the whole bar scene > like I used to. i'm shocked, disgusted and outraged..... there is simply no good reason for the youth of today to get involved with fake tattoos. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 10:56:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FEu1w14428; Wed, 15 May 2002 10:56:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515145557.82118.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: rentals and feeling old To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020515133355.93897.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would like to thank everyone for their support. I will be checking everything out when I pick up my parts today and get back to those that offered help. Amerisports has rates that seem comparable to other bike rental places that I seen the web sites for. They told me their web site will be up in a couple of weeks. Laura, I deal with Twelve year old children all day long. It sounds like they were acting twelve for the most part. Of course no beer in school, but the girls kissing starts early now. It has been brought to the faculty's attention that they are called DITs. You can probably guess the meaning. They are all touchy-feely now. They actually keep me young though. I guess I expect that type of behavior from them and not from college kids. Steve '01 YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 10:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FEwPI14651; Wed, 15 May 2002 10:58:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 May 2002 14:58:17 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:58:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020515075817.11485.h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Wed, 15 May 2002, stephen cutchins wrote > > I went back to college, Virginia Tech, at 28 and > graduated in '99 at the age of 32. I didn't feel old > at the time, I thought I fit right in at the local > bars just fine. I went back about a year later, and > let me tell you, I felt like a friggin' grandpa! I > don't miss it though, at least now I can afford the > drinks. > Wohooo! another hokie! :) LAG (<-- VT grad, 1996) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 11:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FF3Tw14928; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:03:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515150318.6373.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:03:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: LAURA GRANATO , stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020515075817.11485.h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and another VT '88 and '95 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 11:22:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FFMuA15439; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:22:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00b901c1fc23$f1532ee0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Reply-To: "Patti Rodgers" From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Dc-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: (cop uniforms) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:19:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 > > And why do they always ride side-by-side? > > There simply cannot be a good tactical reason to ride > > that close to another bike all the time. I got curious about this and the uniform thread, so I asked a few motormen. One from MD State Troopers, one from Washington State, one from DC, one from Chicago. The riding side-by-side thing makes it easier for the cops to communicate, both by talking and by gesturing. It also keeps them more visible. Since many jurisdictions pair up their motorcycle cops and train them together, it is a lot safer for them to ride like this than it is for the average rider. Spend a 8 to 12-hour shift riding with someone in your lane and you get really used to them; do it on a daily basis and you really do work in tandem. Most jurisdictions send motorcycle cops--- in pairs--- for annual or bi-annual retraining. The uniform thing: the cop has to be easily recognized by his/her uniform. The uniform is usually very similar to the patrolmen's uniform in the same jurisdiction. That way, if the cop is NOT on the bike, people can still see it's a cop. Also, it's not practical to chase bad guys in leathers. The helmet thing: until the last few years or so, there was not decent professional-grade radio equipment that could be used with anything bigger than the half-helmet. (Look at a motorcycle cop next time you drive by and imagine trying to cram that gear inside a full-face helmet) As radios become smaller and better, more jurisdictions are switching to the 3/4 helmet, so far mostly on the west coast. Anyone who has ever dealt with government purchasing knows how efficient that process is! So it will be a while. Also the open face or smaller visor allows the cop to communicate with civilians more efficiently, and keeps in line with "a cop should look like a cop." 3/4 Helmet is probably as far as they will go, though, because it will be harder to communicate non-verbally with the public, and I expect some cops would not be as easily recognized as cops when wearing a full-face helmet. I feel better now! cheers, Patti Font of Useless Information From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 11:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FFNfO15504; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:23:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Larry Meyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:23:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO8859_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020515152335.BCET4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> And (Laura) you already knew about me VT '84 Don't worry about feeling old among children, you'll get used to it (wait until you're old enough to be their parent). Just make sure you're younger than everybody your own age. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 11:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FFdf715962; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <030001c1fc27$0c34de40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20020515152335.BCET4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:39:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Meyer" > And (Laura) you already knew about me > > VT '84 > > Don't worry about feeling old among children, you'll get used to it (wait until you're old enough to be their parent). Just make sure you're younger than everybody your own age. > And that, my friends, is the key. Kind of similar to what my Dad said when he attended his 40th HS Reunion. "Just who are all these geezers?" Paul in DC >whose 20th HS reunion comes up next year, yikes< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 11:45:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FFjRA16251; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:45:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:44:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2002 15:44:17.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F00B310:01C1FC27] What age did you guys "officially" start feeling old? I just turned 30 in April and that one hit me like a ton of bricks! I've also taken to calling teens "whipper Snappers" :0 >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: >Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:39:19 -0400 > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry Meyer" > > > > And (Laura) you already knew about me > > > > VT '84 > > > > Don't worry about feeling old among children, you'll get used to it >(wait >until you're old enough to be their parent). Just make sure you're younger >than everybody your own age. > > >And that, my friends, is the key. Kind of similar to what my Dad said when >he attended his 40th HS Reunion. "Just who are all these geezers?" > >Paul in DC > >whose 20th HS reunion comes up next year, yikes< > > Marc Washington _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 11:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FFpV916488; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:51:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 May 2002 15:51:23 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ljmeyer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:51:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020515085123.12033.h010.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Larry Meyer wrote > > And (Laura) you already knew about me > > VT '84 > > Don't worry about feeling old among children, you'll get used to it (wait until you're old enough to be their parent). Just make sure you're younger than everybody your own age. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN???? ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 11:56:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FFuZE16646; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:56:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 May 2002 15:56:23 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: marcwashington@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:56:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020515085623.11888.h010.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Wed, 15 May 2002, "Marc Washington" wrote > What age did you guys "officially" start feeling old? I just turned 30 in > April and that one hit me like a ton of bricks! Well, I've got just under eight months until I turn 30, and age didn't used to bother me. Certain events that have happened in my life and around me lately have made me start feeling old...and boy, it sucks. >I've also taken to calling > teens "whipper Snappers" :0 I'll try to avoid that...maybe it'll help. :) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 11:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FFwU116840; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:58:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515155826.3295.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:58:26 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020515145434.84485.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > there is simply no good reason for the youth of today to > get involved with fake tattoos. Is it ok if 2 and 4 yr olds have stick-on tattoos? Because I think the whole Scooby-doo thing is kinda cute. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 12:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FG6Il17140; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:06:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:06:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2002 16:06:10.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E0AEBC0:01C1FC2A] The best ones are the fake tongue piercings. Saw some for sale on EBay. Any takers?? Not sure how they are attached tough... It's just one of those things that make say hmmmmmmmm.... >From: matthew patton >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:58:26 -0700 (PDT) > > > > there is simply no good reason for the youth of today to > > get involved with fake tattoos. > >Is it ok if 2 and 4 yr olds have stick-on tattoos? Because I think the >whole Scooby-doo thing is kinda cute. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >http://launch.yahoo.com > Marc Washington _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 12:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FG8II17261; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:08:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:08:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >What age did you guys "officially" start feeling old? I just turned >30 in April and that one hit me like a ton of bricks! I've also >taken to calling teens "whipper Snappers" :0 I'm afraid I'm with you there [32]. I dislocated my right ankle in Dec [jumped over a flower bed -- badly :)] and have spent months recovering. What ever happened to being young and invincible?! Sheesh... Ob MC content - I thought I had everything finally fixed, but I found yesterday I've missed an electrical short. I turned on my headlights when the rain started and lost all power. Some time later, after fruitless tries with the foot starter, [thinking I had just drained the battery] I found I had blown a fuse. Kudos to the two people who stopped to check on me on 270N. Lessons learned - test everything and bring extra fuses. :) [Since previous problems had involved an electrical charging problem, I had been leery about having the lights on, though I know it's a safety/visibility need.] Erick 74' CB750 K4 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 12:11:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FGBGg17480; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:11:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515161112.54574.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: Marc Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Watch out for the fake tattoos dipped in LSD. The fake tongue piercings are magnets. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 12:12:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FGCRi17663; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:12:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:11:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2002 16:11:20.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[266856D0:01C1FC2B] Turning 30 didn't bother me at all for some reason. And my 30s have been way better than my 20s, something about knowing yourself more, etc., I guess. But it's the 35 that's scaring me! What's with that!? I keep hinting to Tom that I deserve a huge party in October for it! ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "LAURA GRANATO" >To: marcwashington@XXXXXX >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:56:22 -0700 (PDT) > >On Wed, 15 May 2002, "Marc Washington" wrote > > > What age did you guys "officially" start feeling old? > I just turned 30 in > > April and that one hit me like a ton of bricks! > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 12:14:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FGEof17863; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:14:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: singley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:13:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2002 16:13:42.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B6D04A0:01C1FC2B] I broke me leg last month, so I'm with you on that one! Sucks not being able to ride in the nice weather. :-( I'm back to drooling over bikes as they go by, like I did before I rode. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Erick Singley >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:08:15 -0400 > >I'm afraid I'm with you there [32]. I dislocated my right ankle in >Dec [jumped over a flower bed -- badly :)] and have spent months >recovering. What ever happened to being young and invincible?! >Sheesh... > >Erick >74' CB750 K4 > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 12:16:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FGGuE18044; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:16:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515161652.1506.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:16:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 35 isn't bad at all, because I am perpetually twelve. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 12:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FGNs418298; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:23:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Cydcles Rides Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:23:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2002 16:23:47.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[E39C81D0:01C1FC2C] Do any of you meet a regular day/place to ride? Marc Washington '88 Honda Hawk NT650 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 12:33:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FGXqD18625; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:33:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008a01c1fc2e$9b20d580$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Patti Rodgers" , "'Dc-Cycles" References: <00b901c1fc23$f1532ee0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Subject: Re: (cop uniforms) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:32:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yes....but...I still think style and machismo (with apologies to the female officers) has a lot to do with it. More protective gear could be devised that satisfies these criteria. As other have pointed out, European and British police agencies manage to use motorcycles effectively while offering their riders more protection. An Aerostich Hi-Viz jacket with POLICE in four-inch high letters is not subtle. As to the side-by-side riding, all those benefits would accrue to civilians, too, but for the *laws* that require us to ride otherwise. I'm perfectly capable of riding safely next to another bike. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Rodgers" > > > And why do they always ride side-by-side? > > > There simply cannot be a good tactical reason to ride > > that close > to another bike all the time. > > > I got curious about this and the uniform thread, so I asked a few motormen. > One from MD State Troopers, one from Washington State, one from DC, one from > Chicago. > > The riding side-by-side thing makes it easier for the cops to communicate, > both by talking and by gesturing. It also keeps them more visible. Since > many jurisdictions pair up their motorcycle cops and train them together, it > is a lot safer for them to ride like this than it is for the average rider. > Spend a 8 to 12-hour shift riding with someone in your lane and you get > really used to them; do it on a daily basis and you really do work in > tandem. > > Most jurisdictions send motorcycle cops--- in pairs--- for annual or > bi-annual retraining. > > The uniform thing: the cop has to be easily recognized by his/her uniform. > The uniform is usually very similar to the patrolmen's uniform in the same > jurisdiction. That way, if the cop is NOT on the bike, people can still see > it's a cop. Also, it's not practical to chase bad guys in leathers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 12:50:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FGoEJ19172; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515165005.77170.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 30 was actually awesome for me, I wore it like a badge. I turn 36 this summer, that one is bothering me though because I will be closer to 40 than 30. --- Marc Washington wrote: > > What age did you guys "officially" start feeling > old? I just turned 30 in > April and that one hit me like a ton of bricks! > I've also taken to calling > teens "whipper Snappers" :0 > > >From: "Paul Wilson" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old > >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:39:19 -0400 > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Larry Meyer" > > > > > > > And (Laura) you already knew about me > > > > > > VT '84 > > > > > > Don't worry about feeling old among children, > you'll get used to it > >(wait > >until you're old enough to be their parent). Just > make sure you're younger > >than everybody your own age. > > > > >And that, my friends, is the key. Kind of similar > to what my Dad said when > >he attended his 40th HS Reunion. "Just who are all > these geezers?" > > > >Paul in DC > > >whose 20th HS reunion comes up next year, yikes< > > > > > > > > > Marc Washington > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 12:51:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FGpqN19283; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:51:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <6432507883EBD51194E800508B6F213C01BB1C94@usashexch05.corp.us.uu.net> From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Classic motorcycle show - Sunday, March 19th Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:48:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.classicmotorcycleday.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:12:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHCel19777; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:12:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515171232.53632.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020515155826.3295.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > > > there is simply no good reason for the youth of today > to > > get involved with fake tattoos. > > Is it ok if 2 and 4 yr olds have stick-on tattoos? > Because I think the > whole Scooby-doo thing is kinda cute. no. 2 and 4 year olds should be getting regular tattoos. this "scooby-doo thing" worries me. he's a cartoon dog; and this is beyond decent bestiality. i suggest that this issue gets immediate attention from your therapist. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:18:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHIim20026; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:18:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515171838.39493.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:18:38 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020515171232.53632.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- matthew patton wrote: > > > > > there is simply no good reason for the youth of > today > > to > > > get involved with fake tattoos. > > > > Is it ok if 2 and 4 yr olds have stick-on tattoos? > > Because I think the > > whole Scooby-doo thing is kinda cute. > > no. 2 and 4 year olds should be getting regular > tattoos. > > this "scooby-doo thing" worries me. he's a cartoon > dog; > and this is beyond decent bestiality. i suggest > that this > issue gets immediate attention from your therapist. > > > -- > tg > May I ask what form of bestiality is "decent"? ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:30:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHUq420431; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:30:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:30:34 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: marcwashington@XXXXXX ("Marc Washington"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Message-ID: <0A92CB47.485DC125.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you're gonna go through the trouble to make it "look" like you have your tongue pierced, why not get the real thing? I did. Had it for almost 2 years before I took it out a couple months ago. ;-) Scooter (older than dirt 30.75) In a message dated Wed, 15 May 2002 12:06:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Marc Washington" writes: > >The best ones are the fake tongue piercings. M- Saw some for sale on EBay. M- >Any takers?? Not sure how they are attached tough... M- It's just one of those >things that make say hmmmmmmmm.... > >>From: matthew patton >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old >>Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:58:26 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> > there is simply no good reason for the youth of today to >> > get involved with fake tattoos. >> >>Is it ok if 2 and 4 yr olds have stick-on tattoos? Because I think the >>whole Scooby-doo thing is kinda cute. >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >>http://launch.yahoo.com >> > > > > >Marc Washington > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHXuK20574; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:33:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: German Vehicles Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:33:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just hate that most "luxury" cars can't be had in manual transmission. I hate even more that some make the automatic shifter to look like a stick shift. And I don't count clutchless shifting either. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: German Vehicles >they start offering the SLK32 with standard trannies anyways? No manual tranny in any AMG offering, automatics only. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:34:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHYs120713; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:34:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:34:35 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: marcwashington@XXXXXX ("Marc Washington"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cydcles Rides Message-ID: <79154195.2F92A792.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nothing's regular about this place. ;-) Group rides usually occur when someone sends out an e-mail Friday night sayinh that they are going riding tomorrow morning and asking if anyone wants to join them. They'll start popping up mor frequently now that the weather is turning nice. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 15 May 2002 12:24:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Marc Washington" writes: >Do any of you meet a regular day/place to ride? > > >Marc Washington >'88 Honda Hawk NT650 > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:35:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHZN720893; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:35:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Skyline Rd and RT 211 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:35:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's incredibly lucrative because no one pays attention to the HOV laws. And then they drive slow in the left hand lane too. -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:10 AM To: Tom Gimer; Louis F. Caplan; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skyline Rd and RT 211 You don't spend much time on any of Virginia's HOV lanes do you? Picking on folks unable to count as high as two seems to be a very lucrative way to enforce the law. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:37:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHbFq21027; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:37:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [128.148.200.163] From: "Simon Weiss" To: References: <3.0.32.20020514213733.01193ee4@noid.org> Subject: Re: German Vehicles Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:40:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2002 17:37:07.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[22927930:01C1FC37] I think one reason the Moto Police don't wear full gear is because it just takes time to change. In the '70s no one wore full leathers or full facers, and I bet it takes time for standard issue equipment to change in the beurocracy of the gov't or police force. -Simon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:38:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHcpn21165; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:38:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c1fc37$73f4abe0$9474313f@cfoatty3> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" References: <20020515171838.39493.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: "R6" Ride? Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:39:22 -0400 Organization: CF&O MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Is the "R6" ride still on for this weekend? I just installed a Micron high-sided CF can on my 01 FZ1, and I am interested in giving it a good break in. My buddy is also interested in joining the ride. He has modified his 99 CBR 900 by installing a VFR single sided swingarm and a custom under the seat exhaust. Lastly, does anyone have any specifics on the "R6" ride? Roy D. Turner, Esq. www.cfolaw.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > > > > > > there is simply no good reason for the youth of > > today > > > to > > > > get involved with fake tattoos. > > > > > > Is it ok if 2 and 4 yr olds have stick-on tattoos? > > > Because I think the > > > whole Scooby-doo thing is kinda cute. > > > > no. 2 and 4 year olds should be getting regular > > tattoos. > > > > this "scooby-doo thing" worries me. he's a cartoon > > dog; > > and this is beyond decent bestiality. i suggest > > that this > > issue gets immediate attention from your therapist. > > > > > > -- > > tg > > > > May I ask what form of bestiality is "decent"? ;) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:39:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHd7N21234; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:39:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:39:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I graduated from Tech in '99 and there were real tattoos and body piercings everywhere. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:55 AM To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old there is simply no good reason for the youth of today to get involved with fake tattoos. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:39:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHdPk21394; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:39:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:39:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2002 17:39:18.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[70A84000:01C1FC37] You're right. It's about the most idotic thing I've ever heard of. >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: marcwashington@XXXXXX ("Marc Washington"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:30:34 -0400 > >If you're gonna go through the trouble to make it "look" like you have your >tongue pierced, why not get the real thing? I did. Had it for almost 2 >years before I took it out a couple months ago. ;-) > >Scooter (older than dirt 30.75) > >In a message dated Wed, 15 May 2002 12:06:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >"Marc Washington" writes: > > > > >The best ones are the fake tongue piercings. M- Saw some for sale on EBay. >M- > >Any takers?? Not sure how they are attached tough... M- It's just one of >those > >things that make say hmmmmmmmm.... > > > >>From: matthew patton > >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >>CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >>Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old > >>Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:58:26 -0700 (PDT) > >> > >> > >> > there is simply no good reason for the youth of today to > >> > get involved with fake tattoos. > >> > >>Is it ok if 2 and 4 yr olds have stick-on tattoos? Because I think the > >>whole Scooby-doo thing is kinda cute. > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > >>http://launch.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > > > > > >Marc Washington > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:49:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHnpk21876; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:49:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <018a01c1fc38$7710c380$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Reply-To: "Patti Rodgers" From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Dc-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:46:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 > I've also >taken to calling teens "whipper Snappers" At the 9:30 Club about a year ago a young'un bumped into me, spilled a drink on me, and gave me attitude. My response: "Shut up. I've got Doc Marten's older than you." And just for the record, when you die, your tattoos get really light and float you up to heaven. -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:53:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHrYo22094; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:53:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cydcles Rides Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:53:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2002 17:53:26.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A4C1130:01C1FC39] Cool Thanks! >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: marcwashington@XXXXXX ("Marc Washington"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: DC Cydcles Rides >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:34:35 -0400 > >Nothing's regular about this place. ;-) Group rides usually occur when >someone sends out an e-mail Friday night sayinh that they are going riding >tomorrow morning and asking if anyone wants to join them. They'll start >popping up mor frequently now that the weather is turning nice. > >Scooter > >In a message dated Wed, 15 May 2002 12:24:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >"Marc Washington" writes: > > >Do any of you meet a regular day/place to ride? > > > > > >Marc Washington > >'88 Honda Hawk NT650 > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 13:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FHtfa22195; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:55:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbey0aq5JtYjXdQgrgbuWnJc5Q5wtbCQoqA3gyK6eyqoQRBQ+3rFEWiQ6MTqohCEFs= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: not old. Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:55:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <018a01c1fc38$7710c380$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Importance: Normal I am not "old." I am "experienced" and a "seasoned veteran." And bikes become "extensively road tested." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 14:10:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FIAp022581; Wed, 15 May 2002 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 May 2002 18:10:43 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mprodgers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:10:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020515111043.13222.h010.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Wed, 15 May 2002, "Patti Rodgers" wrote >> > And just for the record, when you die, your tattoos get really light and > float you up to heaven. > I certainly hope that's the case...I'll float up there quickly!!! :) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 14:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FIgdQ23236; Wed, 15 May 2002 14:42:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000a01c1fc40$471acdd0$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: SPAM: Race bike for sale Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:42:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 1990 FZR400 race bike for sale. $2100 Excellent starter race bike or dedicated track bike. Details/photos here: http://www.davecross.com/fzr400 I'm looking to buy an SV race bike to get a little closer to the front of the pack. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 15:41:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FJfKn24366; Wed, 15 May 2002 15:41:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020515194118.20275.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: not old. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hell, I'm not old. As a college student about to finish my last exam, you can bet I'll be partying heartily tonight. Not planning to go too overboard, though, as I plan to have one last Califonia ride tomorrow morning. LA Crest highway, here I come. I'll probably run it east to west, hit the beaches in the afternoon, and then finish packing up my stuff for the long roadtrip back to the DC area. Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR 600 (just sold; the proceeds will fund our mandatory Vegas stop on the way back) 92 GS500 (g/f's bike, I ride it when she's not looking) Claremont CA/Garrett Park MD Yee-haw! --- Jon Strang wrote: > I am not "old." > > I am "experienced" and a "seasoned veteran." > > And bikes become "extensively road tested." > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 15:53:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FJrsV24749; Wed, 15 May 2002 15:53:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD01077673@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Wasteful bandwidth RE: German Vehicles Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:53:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Rich, Good point.. That's why I just decided on a used 540i / 6spd .. Would rather row my own gears than deal with the slush box! Brian -----Original Message----- From: RichH@XXXXXX [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:34 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: German Vehicles I just hate that most "luxury" cars can't be had in manual transmission. I hate even more that some make the automatic shifter to look like a stick shift. And I don't count clutchless shifting either. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 17:17:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FLHnR26323; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:17:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020515171126.00d88008@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:19:19 -0400 To: "Marc Washington" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Speaking to you from the far side of 50, across the Great Divide of time, most of the guys I know hardly noticed 30. 40 was most likely to yield mid-life crises -- i.e., divorces (Here!) -- and 50 becomes once again just an occasion for "half-century" razzing and an excuse for a party. ...and you can tell the 30-year newbies 'cause they don't even know it's "whippersnappers." (Which is not only a good name for a rock band, it *is* the name of a rock band. Not that we geezers would know anything about rock. Going off to put on a Steppenwolf record now...gotta be Magic Carpet Ride for working on the 'priller.) -- Larry At 11:44 AM 5/15/2002, Marc Washington wrote: >What age did you guys "officially" start feeling old? I just turned 30 in >April and that one hit me like a ton of bricks! I've also taken to >calling teens "whipper Snappers" :0 > >>From: "Paul Wilson" >>To: >>Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old >>Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:39:19 -0400 >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Larry Meyer" >> >> >> > And (Laura) you already knew about me >> > >> > VT '84 >> > >> > Don't worry about feeling old among children, you'll get used to it (wait >>until you're old enough to be their parent). Just make sure you're younger >>than everybody your own age. >> > >>And that, my friends, is the key. Kind of similar to what my Dad said when >>he attended his 40th HS Reunion. "Just who are all these geezers?" >> >>Paul in DC >> >whose 20th HS reunion comes up next year, yikes< >> > > > > >Marc Washington > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 17:22:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FLMET26513; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:22:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020515172244.00de4d70@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:23:50 -0400 To: "Paul Wilson" , "Patti Rodgers" , "'Dc-Cycles" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: (cop uniforms) In-Reply-To: <008a01c1fc2e$9b20d580$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <00b901c1fc23$f1532ee0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:32 PM 5/15/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > I'm perfectly capable of riding safely next >to another bike. Sure, you're capable, Paul, but no matter how good you are, both you and the other bike have a lot less wiggle room when the minivan next to you decides it wants to be in your lane... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 17:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FLQGb26641; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:26:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020515172731.00d73710@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:27:55 -0400 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, marcwashington@XXXXXX ("Marc Washington"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old In-Reply-To: <0A92CB47.485DC125.0C9D3659@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:30 PM 5/15/2002, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >If you're gonna go through the trouble to make it "look" like you have >your tongue pierced, why not get the real thing? I did. Had it for >almost 2 years before I took it out a couple months ago. ;-) Did you lube it with synth or dino? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 17:32:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FLWwa26919; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:32:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020515172956.00ddf8c8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:34:38 -0400 To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: German Vehicles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:33 PM 5/15/2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >I just hate that most "luxury" cars can't be had in manual transmission. >I hate even more that some make the automatic shifter to look like a stick >shift. Why? People are willing to drive 4,000 pound whales/barges, and they're worried about rowing it themselves? What's the point? If it's over 3000 pounds, it's not a sports car; it's either a GT car, or it's transportation. Why not relax and enjoy the rolling couch? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 17:38:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FLc3l27119; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:38:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020515173846.00dcee78@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:39:43 -0400 To: "Marc Washington" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020515171126.00d88008@mail.9netave.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cool. Email to Marc was rejected by a word Nazi because it contained the word "teens". -- Larry At 05:19 PM 5/15/2002, Larry Larson wrote: >Speaking to you from the far side of 50, across the Great Divide of time, >most of the guys I know hardly noticed 30. 40 was most likely to yield >mid-life crises -- i.e., divorces (Here!) -- and 50 becomes once again >just an occasion for "half-century" razzing and an excuse for a party. > >...and you can tell the 30-year newbies 'cause they don't even know it's >"whippersnappers." (Which is not only a good name for a rock band, it *is* >the name of a rock band. Not that we geezers would know anything about >rock. Going off to put on a Steppenwolf record now...gotta be Magic Carpet >Ride for working on the 'priller.) > >-- Larry > > >At 11:44 AM 5/15/2002, Marc Washington wrote: > >>What age did you guys "officially" start feeling old? I just turned 30 >>in April and that one hit me like a ton of bricks! I've also taken to >>calling teens "whipper Snappers" :0 >> >>>From: "Paul Wilson" >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old >>>Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:39:19 -0400 >>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 17:39:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FLdbR27226; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020515175328.045c3b48@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:53:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: RE: German Vehicles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:33 PM 5/15/02 -0400, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >I just hate that most "luxury" cars can't be had in manual transmission. BMW is great, in that most all of their cars can be had with a manual. Audi gives decent choices, much like BMW, until you get up into the large sedans (A8). I can't think of one automaker that offers their flagship luxury car where you can get a manual tranny. The M5 is a 6spd, but I wouldn't call that mainstream (and the 7 is the flagship anyway) :-) >I hate even more that some make the automatic shifter to look like a stick >shift. >And I don't count clutchless shifting either. Most of the 'auto stick' or tiptronic types are really just automatics. The only proper manuals that allow clutchless shifting are the BMW SMG and the Ferrari paddle shifting setups. Those are truly manual trannies without a clutch pedal. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 17:44:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FLi0F27418; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:44:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <037001c1fc59$db3420c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Larry Larson" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020515173846.00dcee78@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:45:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Does Harry have some sort of SPAM porn blocker up? Folks are reporting blocked messages. Maybe this one will get nailed too? Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Larson" > Cool. Email to Marc was rejected by a word Nazi because it contained the > word "teens". > > -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 17:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FLlB127567; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:47:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020515180105.011a2784@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:01:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Thursday @ Barnes/Noble? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm thinking of riding to work tomorrow and cruising over to B&N in Rockville. Anyone else going to be there? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 17:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FLuV327868; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:56:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <03b801c1fc5b$989af480$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Larry Larson" , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Fw: Mail rejected [quantumphotonics.com] Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:56:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Whoever is subscribing from quantumphotonics.com has a very discriminating porn blocker running. So far I've seen messages with 'babe', 'teen' and 'porn' rejected. ----- Original Message ----- From: > Your message with the subject "Re: Re: O/T: feeling old" addressed to "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "Larry Larson" was rejected by a content filter due to the presence of the phrase or word `porn`. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 18:05:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FM5XV28235; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:05:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9b.2781e014.2a14359d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:05:17 EDT Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/15/2002 12:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, singley@XXXXXX writes: > Lessons learned - test everything and > bring extra fuses. :) Worked on a bike once where the guy had simply replaced the fuse with a piece of wire to get it to the shop, lucky he did not burn his bike down with that stunt. Anyhow he had the old Honda main fuse that was just a piece of flat plate with slots in it, hard to find except at a Honda dealer. The funny part is that in order to put the wire in place he had to hold the lid to the fuse box down... placing his thumb over the spare fuse that was stored there. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 18:07:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FM7Vi28336; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:07:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <172.858291a.2a14360c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:07:08 EDT Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/15/2002 12:17:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, s_burrow@XXXXXX writes: > 35 isn't bad at all, because I am perpetually twelve. > Steve Yea... 35 don't seem bad at all from where I am... John, wishing he was 35 again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 18:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FMEm828562; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:14:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <137.e330095.2a1437c3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:14:27 EDT Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/15/2002 1:50:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mprodgers@XXXXXX writes: > "Shut up. I've got Doc Marten's > older than you." > I truly _hate_ the fact that I have bungee cords that are of legal drinking age. As is my winter riding suit. CRAP! I just realized that my "bought new" BMW is too. Can we just stop this "older then" thread? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 18:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FMJTr28716; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:19:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE2E04E.CE4B6691@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:25:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old References: <20020515152335.BCET4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> <030001c1fc27$0c34de40$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > And that, my friends, is the key. Kind of similar to what my Dad said when > he attended his 40th HS Reunion. "Just who are all these geezers?" > > Paul in DC > >whose 20th HS reunion comes up next year, yikes< HA! I went to my 41st HS reunion (40th got canceled) last fall, rode the bike of course - good excuse for a several hundred mile putt. So there I is, doffing the leathers and getting into my presentable coat & tie duds while all my former classmates are wheezing while exiting their various land-yacht geezermobiles. I'm with your dad, who in hell are all these geezers? Sure, I was a tender 16 when I graduated, but geeezzzz... those suckers looked and acted really old. Bill - old as dirt but still partying... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 18:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FMOgu28916; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:24:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE2E187.8FB31B24@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:30:32 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old References: <20020515062341.6690.h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That old feeling happened to me once - or twice. About 20 years ago a fishing buddy got married and introduced me to his bride. She gasped in recognition and imforms her new husband that I had been her 7th grade math teacher. Yipes! Bill LAURA GRANATO wrote: > OK, I think it's happening...I'm officially becoming > old. The other night I was at a work conference in > Baltimore when a few of us "more active" people decided > to go out in Downtown Baltimore for some drinks. > > Well, we show up to this bar that is obviously the > "place to be" for local college kids, but it was the > only place that really had anything going on for a > Monday night, so we ventured in. > > Oh My God! For the first time in my life I felt OLD! > I looked around at these supposed college kids, and > they looked like they were 15 and acted like they were > 12. On top of that, the stuff they were doing was > completely shocking to me...Were we all like that when > we were younger? Are college kids these days looking > younger and younger? > > I think it's official now, after having all of these > thoughts...I'm becoming an adult!?! AGGGGG! I'm > getting OLD...HELP!!!! > > :) > LAG > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 18:27:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FMRid29100; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:27:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE2E23E.2193301C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:33:34 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old References: <20020515155826.3295.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: > Is it ok if 2 and 4 yr olds have stick-on tattoos? Because I think the > whole Scooby-doo thing is kinda cute. I hope so. But my grandaughter (10) prefers Harley tattoos and has the black jeans a tank top to finish off the costume. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 19:27:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FNR4o00629; Wed, 15 May 2002 19:27:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE2EEBB.691758E1@mitre.org> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:26:51 -0400 From: Zach Eyler-Walker Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-20010313M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1983 KZ-750 LTD for sale References: <200205152300.g4FN00l29792@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, what'll you give me for my '83 KZ? It runs well, and is basically all there in pretty nice condition considering the age of the bike. I learned to ride on it, and then moved up (down in displacement, heh) to a SV-650. I forget how many miles, but I believe it's almost exactly 20,000. Shaft drive (no maintenance needed), twin disks front, single rear. I must say, it's a beautiful bike if you go in for the whole UJM look. Very purposeful, aggressive looking standard. It's maybe not the best beginner bike, but I survived. I never dropped it, and as far as I know it hasn't been down. It's quite fast, by the way. Nothing like some of the rockets out today, but it will definitely move. The 738cc, inline, air cooled motor is basically identical to that in the currently available ZR-7s, and it's good for 75HP or so. The caveat: it has a leaky oil pan gasket. I assume it is relatively inexpensive to get this fixed, or to DIY it, but I haven't bothered. So, make me an offer. I'd like to see $600 or so, but even more I'd like to get it on to a new home that will get some use out of it. Cheers, Zach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 19:27:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FNRie00673; Wed, 15 May 2002 19:27:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:29:44 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Trailers (the other kind) Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3CE2EF68.FC9C23BE@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Dave Paper wrote: > On Tue, 14 May 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Bizarre. Maybe someday we'll see a big bike towing a trailer... with the > > car on top. :) At last years Americade in upstate NY http://www.tourexpo.com/main.htm I saw a Suzuki Cavalcade pulling a trailer that was set up like a miniature Jeff Gordon NASCAR race car on a trailer. It opened at the hood line and he had tons of camping great in the thing. The paint was was exact! I wash I got a pic. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 19:44:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4FNiW301110; Wed, 15 May 2002 19:44:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:44:18 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rejected e-mail Message-ID: <7A0EB923.26A5AFD1.1056E6D9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Harry, This sucks. I apparently can't send ANY messages to the DC Cycles list while using the AOL software. According to AOL, every message is being sent in Rich-text or HTML format. Their only suggestion is to go to the AOL website and login to the e-mail system WHILE CONNECTING using THEIR SOFTWARE. I didn't have to do this before you made your changes. Please help me. Scooter (HTML Impaired) In a message dated Wed, 15 May 2002 M- 7:28:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR writes: >Well, apparently everytime I reply to an e-mail message from the AOL software, it treats the included text as HTML. nbsp;Anyone know how to turn off the HTML formatting in AOhelL? nbsp;There Help people weren't that much of a help. nbsp;They suggested I create a reply message and then cut and paste the text into it or use there AOL web interface while CONNECTED VIA THEIR SOFTWARE. nbsp;They suck. nbsp;:-) > >Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 20:02:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G02Hw01569; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:02:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [207.172.69.95] From: "Marc Washington" To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:02:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2002 00:02:10.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECB3FA10:01C1FC6C] teens teens teens. I'm so bad!!! >From: Larry Larson >To: "Marc Washington" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:39:43 -0400 > >Cool. Email to Marc was rejected by a word Nazi because it contained the >word "teens". > >-- Larry > >At 05:19 PM 5/15/2002, Larry Larson wrote: >>Speaking to you from the far side of 50, across the Great Divide of time, >>most of the guys I know hardly noticed 30. 40 was most likely to yield >>mid-life crises -- i.e., divorces (Here!) -- and 50 becomes once again >>just an occasion for "half-century" razzing and an excuse for a party. >> >>...and you can tell the 30-year newbies 'cause they don't even know it's >>"whippersnappers." (Which is not only a good name for a rock band, it *is* >>the name of a rock band. Not that we geezers would know anything about >>rock. Going off to put on a Steppenwolf record now...gotta be Magic Carpet >>Ride for working on the 'priller.) >> >>-- Larry >> >> >>At 11:44 AM 5/15/2002, Marc Washington wrote: >> >>>What age did you guys "officially" start feeling old? I just turned 30 >>>in April and that one hit me like a ton of bricks! I've also taken to >>>calling teens "whipper Snappers" :0 >>> >>>>From: "Paul Wilson" >>>>To: >>>>Subject: Re: Re: O/T: feeling old >>>>Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:39:19 -0400 >>>> > > > > > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 20:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G0Bm401753; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:11:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: Fish Flowers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD Insurance Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4G0Bll01741 On Tue, 14 May 2002 12:18:45 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: |>Crap, just when it was all starting to come together... it turns out State |>Farm won't insure me after all, due to a little lapse in insurance. (I |>still maintain it wasn't my fault.) State farm is going down the path to become full D*ckh**ds. As if that makes sense.. "let's see since you didn't have insurance before, we won't give it to you now". Maybe you can try another state farm agent? What kind of bike do you have again? |>Sooooo... I'm getting quotes from online vendors (blah, they're always |>fantastically expensive), but does anyone have any good tips for insurers |>in MD? |> |>Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 20:15:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G0Fxa01972; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:15:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516001556.95858.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: "William J. Huson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3CE2E187.8FB31B24@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill, do you still teach? I teach 7th grade math myself. Steve --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > That old feeling happened to me once - or twice. > About 20 years ago a > fishing buddy got married and introduced me to his > bride. She gasped in > recognition and imforms her new husband that I had > been her 7th grade > math teacher. Yipes! > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 20:34:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G0YuZ02397; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:34:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:37:16 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles Message-id: <3CE2FF3C.543345A5@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020515071346.11364.h006.c002.wm@XXXXXX> LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Tom Gimer wrote > > > > > laura: > > what were they doing that was so shocking? > > > Of course, as a female, to me the stuff they were doing > was shocking...to you males, you'll probably enjoy. > > first, guys were paying women to kiss each other...ok, > no biggie, but as a female, accepting money for > something like that in a bar and letting men take > pictures of you is just ridiculous! > > second,women were pulling their shirts down and walking > around with their shirts pulled down below their bras, > leaving everything hanging out...ok, can we say > "disrespect me" a little louder? > > I think the funniest thing, and I give the guy credit > for this one (it's creative)...he had a stack of fake > tattoos, and was wetting them down by pouring beer on > the girls chests as he applied the tattoos to them. > > Then there was the typical stupid stuff "look buddy, am > I with this girl or are you?"...guys fighting over the > drunkest girl who has been with EVERYONE in the bar... > > That's just some of the wonderful displays of our youth > today. I guess I just don't enjoy the whole bar scene > like I used to. > > LAG > Laura, I admit, I am old! 40 in a few months. I live in Baltimore........ So which bar is it? I hope it was the Thunderdrome, I just bought a house within walking distance. Lecherous minds want to know. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 20:38:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G0cCA02586; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:38:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: Todd Withrow Cc: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: where are all the trailers? Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:45:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200205141638.g4EGc8l32466@atlanta.pop3now.com> <20020514195604.84669.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020514195604.84669.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4G0cBl02574 |>Absolutely, when negligence is involved. If you are |>juggling loaded shotguns, then you should be |>prosecuted. If you are hunting, and trip in a gopher |>hole as you raise the shotgun, and have an accidental |>discharge, do you think you should be prosecuted? If you shoot someone yes. A compenent lawyer could make a good case. You shoudln't be raising a loaded, ready to fire, gun while you're moving. You shouldn't be carrying a loaded, ready to fire, gun on unsure footing, and potentially pointing it in a direction in which it could endager other people. You shouldn't have your finger on the trigger or in a position to fall on the trigger until you're ready to fire. you should not have your gun pointed in a direction at anything you do not intend to shoot. You are not ready to fire while moving. Now if on the other hand.. a tree limb fell on your foot while you were aiming at prey and caused you to shoot someone.. that is an act of nature, not an act of poor hunting skills, unsafe firearm handling, and clumsiness. Personally i'm all for firearm ownership for everyone who doesn't use them in a crime, and aren't clumsy, dangerous, and negligent. Same for automobile and motorcycle ownership... or any other tool that can be lethal if used improperly. As far as I care, if a person uses it safely, they can have (own and possess) whatever they want. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 21:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G1b3r03835; Wed, 15 May 2002 21:37:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:36:52 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: turnerr@XXXXXX ("Roy D. Turner, Esq."), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "R6" Ride? Message-ID: <2D1A5D00.0D8F02EA.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Roy, The ride is still on. We have a few meeting places. Just let me know where you live so I can tell you where to meet us. Take care and hope you can join us. -Mark In a message dated Wed, 15 May 2002 M- 1:39:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Roy D. Turner, Esq." writes: >Is the "R6" ride still on for this weekend? M- I just installed a Micron >high-sided CF can on my 01 FZ1, and I am interested in giving it a good >break in. M- My buddy is also interested in joining the ride. M- He has modified >his 99 CBR 900 by installing a VFR single sided swingarm and a custom under >the seat exhaust. M- Lastly, does anyone have any specifics on the "R6" ride? > >Roy D. Turner, Esq. >www.cfolaw.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "stephen cutchins" >To: "DC Cycles" >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 PM >Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 21:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G1XxV03675; Wed, 15 May 2002 21:33:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE30DE4.2508414B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:39:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Washington CC: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc Washington wrote: > teens teens teens. I'm so bad!!! Chill, dude. I had one of mine rejected because it contained the word "adult". I reckon that proves it, we're all children, so Laura, quitcher bitchin' about feeling old! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 21:54:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G1sHx04211; Wed, 15 May 2002 21:54:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE312A7.59B1376@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:00:07 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Burrow CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old References: <20020516001556.95858.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven Burrow wrote: > Bill, do you still teach? > I teach 7th grade math myself. > Steve Nope - burned out in 4 years. I got in a few too many pissing matchs with the guidance drones and they overloaded my classes. I had more'n 200 students my last year. A wise old teacher told me "Son, you can't save them all" but that wasn't good enough for me. The price of being young and idealistic I reckon. That and the fact that I loved those hormonally overcharged little rascals and rascalettes. They were all special too me. Don't make the same mistakes I made. In truth, teaching is the only job I regret leaving. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 22:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G2bv505007; Wed, 15 May 2002 22:37:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.200.12.23] From: "Sanath S" To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thursday @ Barnes/Noble? Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:36:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2002 02:36:45.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[85416CD0:01C1FC82] I will be there most likely, 8ish.... Sanath Ducati 996 >From: Wayne Edelen >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Thursday @ Barnes/Noble? >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:01:06 -0400 > >I'm thinking of riding to work tomorrow and cruising over to B&N in >Rockville. Anyone else going to be there? > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 22:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G2s2H05363; Wed, 15 May 2002 22:54:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020515230756.0406c8d4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:07:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: DC Cydcles Rides Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:34 PM 5/15/02 -0400, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Nothing's regular about this place. ;-) Group rides usually occur when someone sends out an e-mail Friday night sayinh that they are going riding tomorrow morning and asking if anyone wants to join them. They'll start popping up mor frequently now that the weather is turning nice. > >Scooter The biggest problem for me (and I suspect many others) is that I'm busy all the time. When I find the time, I hop on my Busa and ride. I logged 2.5hrs in the saddle tonight, cruising around on backroads east and north of Frederick, MD. Having mostly black riding gear and a dark colored bike really sucks with all the bugs out right now :-) I'd love to hook up with others in and around Frederick for spur of the moment rides. Anyone out there close? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 22:57:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G2v0H05457; Wed, 15 May 2002 22:57:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200205160256.g4G2uwr06881@kiri.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: censorship In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 15 May 2002 17:45:35 EDT." <037001c1fc59$db3420c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <6879.1021517818.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:56:58 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX >Does Harry have some sort of SPAM porn blocker up? Folks are reporting >blocked messages. Maybe this one will get nailed too? Let me take a moment to address the issue of censorship and what's appropriate in a dc-cycles posting and what's not. If, as a subscriber, you want to use software on your local mail server that filters out what dc-cycles messages reach you based on the presence of certain words, that's acceptable. If this software sends back email responses to the posters that say "your message was filtered", that's not acceptable. The responses people have seen recently came from mail software run by a subscriber on his local mail server, not run centrally for the whole list, and these postings did reach all the subscribers (except one). This isn't the first time we've bumped into "content filtering" software run by subscribers (in this case, I suspect it's more a spam filter than a morality filter), and the standard response is to give the subscriber the boot until/unless the software generating the automated responses is disabled. The dc-cycles list is not censored nor moderated, it is the responsibility of the posters to not post inappropriate material to the list. Now, to be clear, though there is no software running that will do such filtering, something like the following is still completely unacceptable on the dc-cycles list: "I like being butt-fucked by sheep". This is clearly unacceptable because it has _absolutely nothing to do with motorcyling_, and off-topic posts are not appropriate. In contrast, consider a posting like: "I like being butt-fucked by sheep while riding my Ducati." This is, in my opinion, more appropriate than many of the postings sent to the list, because it is at least remotely on-topic. Also note that the list does not accept "attachments", so if you have a picture of yourself being butt-fucked by sheep while riding your Ducati, you may not attach that picture to your posting, though you may place that picture on a web site and include a URL reference. Hope that clears things up! -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 15 23:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G38vY05879; Wed, 15 May 2002 23:08:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516030855.57955.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3CE312A7.59B1376@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Been at this school for five years now. They aren't getting rid of me any time soon. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 01:24:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G5O3T07971; Thu, 16 May 2002 01:24:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: WTB: cheapie beginner bike Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:31:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3.0.32.20020514083147.011a6f9c@noid.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020514083147.011a6f9c@noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4G5O2l07959 There was a bike.. I think kawasaki 440.. posted on the for sale peg board at CAD in olde town gaithersburg. Maybe you could call them and ask them to give you the number. The price was $1200 and it caught my attention right up your alley... I didn't have a pen to write the number down.. I shoulda asked for one. Sorry. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 01:30:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4G5UTk08217; Thu, 16 May 2002 01:30:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "Patti Rodgers" , "'Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: Re: (cop uniforms) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:38:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3ch6euksh5ibu270pinq6pdup97cvcf39a@4ax.com> References: <00b901c1fc23$f1532ee0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> <008a01c1fc2e$9b20d580$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <008a01c1fc2e$9b20d580$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4G5USl08200 I would also imagine that the motorcade officers consider 1 lane as two lanes, and never cross into their fellow officers lane.. and rule out swerving over.. as an option... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 07:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GBFMQ13648; Thu, 16 May 2002 07:15:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE39435.60807@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:12:53 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020310 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rejected e-mail References: <7A0EB923.26A5AFD1.1056E6D9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: >Hey Harry, > >This sucks. > No. AOL sucks.. Tom de. - sorry I couldn't pass it up. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 08:20:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GCKfg14760; Thu, 16 May 2002 08:20:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14c.dfb8c9d.2a14fde9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:19:53 EDT Subject: Re: (cop uniforms) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/16/2002 1:31:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > I would also imagine that the motorcade officers consider 1 lane as > two lanes, and never cross into their fellow officers lane.. and rule > out swerving over.. as an option... I rode this way for roughly a gazillion miles as a youth, it was just standard practice, and no big deal at all. And while I would need to know and trust the rider next to me would ride that way again. You provide a much larger image, very car like, you can communicate (pre communicators) and there is plenty of room. To a safetycrat it looks dangerous but in reality it may be safer then riding staggered. (My favorite smart ass trick at the time was to reach over and turn off the kill switch of the other bike.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 09:00:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GD0Y115511; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:00:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:00:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200205161300.g4GD0Lc00323@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: SxS or staggered - was Re: (cop uniforms) John asserts - To a safetycrat it looks dangerous but in reality it may be safer then riding staggered. [Dave] never heard that before. Not saying it's untrue, but it does seem ...as Aerostich puts it - counterintuitive... I always thought staggered was safer... (My favorite smart ass trick at the time was to reach over and turn off the kill switch of the other bike.) [Dave] Hell, I learned that in the MSF BRC ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 09:21:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GDLvX15914; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:21:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516132154.30555.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Fairing replacement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know where I can find prices on replacement fairings? Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 09:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GDUno16229; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:30:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516133045.83949.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: censorship To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200205160256.g4G2uwr06881@kiri.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- stephen cutchins wrote: > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > > > > > > there is simply no good reason for the youth of > > today > > > to > > > > get involved with fake tattoos. > > > > > > Is it ok if 2 and 4 yr olds have stick-on tattoos? > > > Because I think the > > > whole Scooby-doo thing is kinda cute. > > > > no. 2 and 4 year olds should be getting regular > > tattoos. > > > > this "scooby-doo thing" worries me. he's a cartoon > > dog; > > and this is beyond decent bestiality. i suggest > > that this > > issue gets immediate attention from your therapist. > > > > > > -- > > tg > > May I ask what form of bestiality is "decent"? ;) to which harry@XXXXXX responded, by way of example: "I like being butt-fucked by sheep while riding my Ducati." and i think he draws a good line there for reference. when the animals are having THEIR way with YOU (rather than vice versa), it becomes decent. -- tg (who thinks harry makes the perfect list owner/admin. for this particular list) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 09:46:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GDkfo16618; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:46:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: German Vehicles (man vs automatic) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:46:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Who drives "relaxed" around here?! I find driving a manual much more enjoyable and feel more in control. My girlfriend's car is an automatic and I HATE when I go to accelerate and it takes a moment to actually do so. I also don't just "know" how fast I'm going because I'm not shifting. I have a friend that bought an automatic about a year ago, after only driving stick and he was saying how nice it is in traffic blah blah, now he says he really whished he had gotten a manual. I've never sat there in traffic and thought this shifting really sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Larson [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:35 PM To: Rich Hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: German Vehicles If it's over 3000 pounds, it's not a sports car; it's either a GT car, or it's transportation. Why not relax and enjoy the rolling couch? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 09:54:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GDsoN16862; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:54:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516135447.29601.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:54:47 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: censorship To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020516133045.83949.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- stephen cutchins > wrote: > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > > > > > > > > there is simply no good reason for the youth > of > > > today > > > > to > > > > > get involved with fake tattoos. > > > > > > > > Is it ok if 2 and 4 yr olds have stick-on > tattoos? > > > > Because I think the > > > > whole Scooby-doo thing is kinda cute. > > > > > > no. 2 and 4 year olds should be getting regular > > > tattoos. > > > > > > this "scooby-doo thing" worries me. he's a > cartoon > > > dog; > > > and this is beyond decent bestiality. i suggest > > > that this > > > issue gets immediate attention from your > therapist. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > > > May I ask what form of bestiality is "decent"? ;) > > > to which harry@XXXXXX responded, by way of > example: > > "I like being butt-fucked by sheep while riding my > Ducati." > > and i think he draws a good line there for > reference. when > the animals are having THEIR way with YOU (rather > than vice > versa), it becomes decent. > Comedy is all about timing, and that timing was perfect! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 10:42:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GEg8q17852; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:42:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008301c1fce8$2c69fbc0$0100a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Steven Burrow" , References: <20020516132154.30555.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fairing replacement Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:44:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 What kind of bike and what kind of fairings? Are you looking for factory original parts or race plastic? More info is needed! Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Burrow" > Does anyone know where I can find prices on > replacement fairings? > Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 10:54:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GEsqA18134; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:54:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020516105310.02247020@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:54:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: German Vehicles (man vs automatic) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:46 AM 5/16/2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >Who drives "relaxed" around here?! I find driving a manual much more >enjoyable and feel more in control. My girlfriend's car is an automatic and >I HATE when I go to accelerate and it takes a moment to actually do so. I >also don't just "know" how fast I'm going because I'm not shifting. I have >a friend that bought an automatic about a year ago, after only driving stick >and he was saying how nice it is in traffic blah blah, now he says he really >whished he had gotten a manual. I've never sat there in traffic and thought >this shifting really sucks. Most people that have run the dead stopped 395 from VA to DC route would disagree with you. I ran stick for 15 years. Now I'm on Auto. I love it for commuting. My left leg thanks me. Of course, I'm usually on the bike, so it doesn't matter either way.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 10:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GExw718234; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:59:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004c01c1fcea$55f941b0$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <20020516132154.30555.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <008301c1fce8$2c69fbc0$0100a8c0@XP1> Subject: Sell your VFR recently? Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:59:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Did someone from this list sell their '94-'97 VFR recently? Im going to be selling mine soon and would like to talk to you about what price you offered yours at. Was it Troutman? Thanks, Dave '94 VFR750 (for sale soon) '90 FZR400 (for sale now) 01 K1200LT (not for sale) ?? SV650 (coming soon) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 11:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GFBY518561; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:11:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:11:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200205161511.g4GFBPl20470@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: German Vehicles (man vs automatic) Who drives "relaxed" around here?! I find driving a manual much more enjoyable and feel more in control. My girlfriend's car is an automatic and I HATE when I go to accelerate and it takes a moment to actually do so. [Dave] Then your GF's car needs MORE POWER ! :-) I also don't just "know" how fast I'm going because I'm not shifting. [Dave] well, in a nutshell, when you're passing everyone else, Johnny Law will be paying attention to you rather than everyone else. Remember to keep a blocker... I have a friend that bought an automatic about a year ago, after only driving stick and he was saying how nice it is in traffic blah blah, now he says he really whished he had gotten a manual. I've never sat there in traffic and thought this shifting really sucks. [Dave] BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I love having an Auto to drive around here ! of course, it helps having over 350 rwhp too. I do NOT regret not buying a manual. They're nice to have on the exit ramps & in the turns ; with the Lightning I find it pretty damn hard to keep from downshifting when I start accelerating out of a turn. It's required I alter my acceelration points through the turn(s) based on how much speed I carry in. If I had to choose sitting in traffic in either my Lightning, my bike or a manual car, the Lightning wins, hands down. Now, when things open up, the bike wins, hands down ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 11:19:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GFJsH18774; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:19:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516151909.55295.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Fairing replacement To: Bruce Norton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <008301c1fce8$2c69fbc0$0100a8c0@XP1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bruce, Had the '01 YZF600 parked in a lot. I was away for a little bit and when I got back, I noticed the right front turn signal dangling. Upon inspection, my break away signal didn't break away. It actually broke the fairing where the signal is recessed into the fairing and put another thin crack in the area. I wouldn't mind getting something close to original or making the repair, but need to look at the cost. Right now the flasher is being held upright with tape. I don't want the light to fall off while riding. Any suggestions of an easy repair or replacement would be appreciated. Steve 01'YZF600 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 11:34:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GFYgQ19121; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:34:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E76B@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fairing replacement Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:34:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Go to www.partsfish.com and get the fairing part numbers you need of their schematics. They also have good prices which will smoke the local dealer. Also shoot an email to these folks at http://www.zanottimotor.com/. If you send them the exact part numbers (off of Partsfish) they don't have to look them up and they quote you a better price. I did a LOT of pricing of bodywork for my F3 and right before I bought from Zanotti's, my F3 was ripped off, so go figure. However, Zanotti's smoked every place I ever called. Normally, Ron Ayers is also a good web site, but they don't have Yamaha parts. Be prepared, the stock bodywork costs more than all the plastic surgery Michael Jackson's ever had, but none of the aftermarket stuff is even in the ballpark. It doesn't fit well, looks nothing like stock bodywork, won't match the existing pieces and generally is meant for either those going racing who will be um, asphalt surfing, or for those streetbikes where all the parts are being replaced at once. Sometimes you get lucky on Ebay with bodywork from someone who is selling it to go racing, but mostly it's people who are trying to get money for the parts that just got replaced because the bike got dropped. Of course, YMMV Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC Do You Yahoo!? - I used to but now I just moan. - Bruce, Had the '01 YZF600 parked in a lot. I was away for a little bit and when I got back, I noticed the right front turn signal dangling. Upon inspection, my break away signal didn't break away. It actually broke the fairing where the signal is recessed into the fairing and put another thin crack in the area. I wouldn't mind getting something close to original or making the repair, but need to look at the cost. Right now the flasher is being held upright with tape. I don't want the light to fall off while riding. Any suggestions of an easy repair or replacement would be appreciated. Steve 01'YZF600 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 11:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GFcUT19222; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:38:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003501c1fcf0$0fdfcb80$0100a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Steven Burrow" , References: <20020516151909.55295.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fairing replacement Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:40:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 That's a bummer. Looks like the side panel assembly is about $325. It's hard to repair bodywork and have it look decent. It's up to you. Do you want it to look like brand new? The RIGHT side is broken? Did someone hit the bike, knock it over and then stand it back up? Is there any other damage? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Burrow" > Bruce, > Had the '01 YZF600 parked in a lot. I was away for a > little bit and when I got back, I noticed the right > front turn signal dangling. Upon inspection, my break > away signal didn't break away. It actually broke the > fairing where the signal is recessed into the fairing > and put another thin crack in the area. I wouldn't > mind getting something close to original or making the > repair, but need to look at the cost. Right now the > flasher is being held upright with tape. I don't want > the light to fall off while riding. Any suggestions of > an easy repair or replacement would be appreciated. > Steve > 01'YZF600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 11:51:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GFp3l19646; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:51:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:51:04 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("DC Cycles") Subject: "R6" Ride? Message-ID: <5B2C5812.63611594.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit IM-bM-^@M-^Ym in the process of ironing out all the details. IM-bM-^@M-^Yll keep everyone posted on meeting places and times. The group ride is going to take place Sunday May 19. We plan to ride out to Skyline Drive and RT 211, Twisties :) -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 11:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GFwcM19815; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:58:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516155835.42726.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: DC Anderson III Subject: Re: "R6" Ride? To: STmaven@XXXXXX, "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2D1A5D00.0D8F02EA.001912B6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What day is the ride on and where are the meeting places? Dan 2000 YZF-R6 Fairfax, VA --- STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi Roy, > The ride is still on. We have a few meeting > places. Just let me know where you live so I can > tell you where to meet us. Take care and hope you > can join us. > > -Mark > > In a message dated Wed, 15 May 2002 M- 1:39:32 PM > Eastern Daylight Time, "Roy D. Turner, Esq." > writes: > > >Is the "R6" ride still on for this weekend? M- I just > installed a Micron > >high-sided CF can on my 01 FZ1, and I am interested > in giving it a good > >break in. M- My buddy is also interested in joining > the ride. M- He has modified > >his 99 CBR 900 by installing a VFR single sided > swingarm and a custom under > >the seat exhaust. M- Lastly, does anyone have any > specifics on the "R6" ride? > > > >Roy D. Turner, Esq. > >www.cfolaw.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "stephen cutchins" > > >To: "DC Cycles" > >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 PM > >Subject: Re: O/T: feeling old > ===== DC Anderson III Fairfax, VA 2000 Yamaha YZF-R6 (Blue) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 12:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GG3TU19957; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:03:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516160246.46828.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Fairing replacement To: Bruce Norton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <003501c1fcf0$0fdfcb80$0100a8c0@XP1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have put the bike down before. Minor scratches on both sides. I'm not looking for perfection. My main concern is the signal and having it supported. I don't know what really happened. There isn't any other damage. The mirrors were moved, but no problem there. There was no note saying it was an accident, so I would be pressed to believe that someone knocked it over and then picked it back up. Somebody could have tapped it with their car, but I have no real idea. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 12:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GGAXT20187; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:10:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02a201c1fcf4$563ad300$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "\"DC Cycles\"" References: <5B2C5812.63611594.001912B6@aol.com> Subject: Re: "R6" Ride? Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:09:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I went out 211 last Friday and noticed law enforcement activity. The State Police were doing some revenue collection from one of the median turnouts in relatively flat four-lane section near the town of Washington, Va. There are several blind turnouts that don't offer much early warning. I was riding at (for me) a spirited pace. Luckily the moto officer has too busy talking to his buddy in a cruiser to get me, although he gave me a "knowing look." He may have seen my front suspension compress a little. ;-) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > IM-bM-^@M-^Ym in the process of ironing out all the details. IM-bM-^@M-^Yll keep everyone posted on meeting places and times. The group ride is going to take place Sunday May 19. We plan to ride out to Skyline Drive and RT 211, Twisties :) > > -Mark > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 12:29:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GGTv020699; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:29:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a3.25ab62e.2a153837@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:28:39 EDT Subject: Re: SxS or staggered - was Re: (cop uniforms) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 > [Dave] never heard that before. Not saying it's untrue, but it does > seem ...as Aerostich puts it - counterintuitive... I always thought > staggered was safer... And therein lies my point, riding side by side seems safer to me, riding staggered seems counterintuitive. It seems that the "correct" way is always the way we learned when young. Clubs and other riders _always_ rode side by side when I was first riding, staggering is relatively new. Making decisions or worse, laws based on intuition (usually referred to as common sense) is very bad policy, but all to common. What is needed to make any real decision is good research data by a reliable source. >> (My favorite smart ass trick at the time was to reach over and turn >> off the kill switch of the other bike.) > [Dave] Hell, I learned that in the MSF BRC ;-) > Dave While riding down the road????????? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 12:38:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GGcQV20943; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:38:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10e.114ecb27.2a153a60@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:37:52 EDT Subject: Re: German Vehicles (man vs automatic) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 I have had the idea of eliminating most of the idiots on the road through increased and regular license testing, knowledge, vision, coordination, etc. It would never work, too complex. My father on the other hand just says "outlaw automatic transmissions" Simple, effective. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 12:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GGdUZ20965; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:39:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1bd.2009d76.2a153ab9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:39:21 EDT Subject: Re: censorship To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/16/2002 9:58:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX writes: > > > May I ask what form of bestiality is "decent"? ;) > > I have known some animals in my life.... and it was damn decent! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 12:44:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GGiPR21142; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:44:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <128.11883729.2a153bd5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:44:05 EDT Subject: Re: German Vehicles (man vs automatic) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 5/16/2002 11:15:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > I HATE when I go to accelerate and it takes a moment to > actually do so. So downshift first, they do have a shifter ya know. John: who still thinks the Honda Helix (automatic) scooter is the ultimate urban vehicle. But HATES fools who leave their car in overdrive and drag their brakes all the way down every hill. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 13:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GH2Bq21697; Thu, 16 May 2002 13:02:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:02:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Whippersnapper! > > ;-) > > > John Stevens > '77 GS750 > Waldorf, MD > > > > >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:41:18 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Adam Reinhardt > >Subject: Re: not old. > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > >Hell, I'm not old. As a college student about to > >finish my last exam, you can bet I'll be partying > >heartily tonight. Not planning to go too overboard, > >though, as I plan to have one last Califonia ride > >tomorrow morning. LA Crest highway, here I come. > >I'll probably run it east to west, hit the beaches in > >the afternoon, and then finish packing up my stuff for > >the long roadtrip back to the DC area. > > >Adam Reinhardt > >89 CBR 600 (just sold; the proceeds will fund our > >mandatory Vegas stop on the way back) > >92 GS500 (g/f's bike, I ride it when she's not > >looking) > > >Claremont CA/Garrett Park MD > > >Yee-haw! > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 13:03:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GH3tD21720; Thu, 16 May 2002 13:03:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012301c1fcfb$a78d7120$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <10e.114ecb27.2a153a60@aol.com> Subject: Motorcycle emmisions Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:03:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Anyone seen any data on the "average" motorcycle emissions compared to the "average" car emissions? I'm looking for something like "motorcycles put out X% less emissions compared to the average car". Anyone read anything like that or remember anything? thanks dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 13:29:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GHTbk22284; Thu, 16 May 2002 13:29:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013501c1fcff$3fac21b0$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <10e.114ecb27.2a153a60@aol.com> <012301c1fcfb$a78d7120$39200340@blairdubilier.com> Subject: Re: Motorcycle emmisions Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:29:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Finally found an answer to my question. It seems that motorcycles produce much MORE emissions overall then automobiles: "Environment Canada's Environmental Technology Centre (ETC) show that individually, motorcycles can emit considerably higher levels of air pollutants than cars and light-duty trucks. " "The motorcycles-three 4-cylinder and two 2-cylinder models with engines ranging in size from .8 to 1.5 litres-produced an average of ten times as much carbon monoxide as the other gasoline-powered vehicles, and more than 80 times as much as one of the gas-electric hybrids on a per-kilometre basis. For nitrogen oxides and hydrocarbons, the bikes emitted an average of three and 14 times as much pollution, respectively, as the other gas-powered vehicles. The one major area where the bikes outperformed some of the larger vehicles was in reduced emissions of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide. Such emissions are directly related to fuel consumption, so more fuel-efficient vehicles, such as motorcycles, produce less carbon dioxide. " Thanks to me for replying! ;-) dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cross" To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: Motorcycle emmisions > Anyone seen any data on the "average" motorcycle emissions compared to the > "average" car emissions? I'm looking for something like "motorcycles put out > X% less emissions compared to the average car". Anyone read anything like > that or remember anything? > > thanks > > dave > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 13:42:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GHgR922602; Thu, 16 May 2002 13:42:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516174212.88404.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Motorcycle emmisions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <013501c1fcff$3fac21b0$39200340@blairdubilier.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder how BMW's, with their catalytic converters, would fare? --- Dave Cross wrote: > Finally found an answer to my question. It seems > that motorcycles produce > much MORE emissions overall then automobiles: > > "Environment Canada's Environmental Technology > Centre (ETC) show that > individually, motorcycles can emit considerably > higher levels of air > pollutants than cars and light-duty trucks. " > > "The motorcycles-three 4-cylinder and two 2-cylinder > models with engines > ranging in size from .8 to 1.5 litres-produced an > average of ten times as > much carbon monoxide as the other gasoline-powered > vehicles, and more than > 80 times as much as one of the gas-electric hybrids > on a per-kilometre > basis. For nitrogen oxides and hydrocarbons, the > bikes emitted an average of > three and 14 times as much pollution, respectively, > as the other gas-powered > vehicles. The one major area where the bikes > outperformed some of the larger > vehicles was in reduced emissions of the greenhouse > gas carbon dioxide. Such > emissions are directly related to fuel consumption, > so more fuel-efficient > vehicles, such as motorcycles, produce less carbon > dioxide. " > > Thanks to me for replying! ;-) > > dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Cross" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:03 PM > Subject: Motorcycle emmisions > > > > Anyone seen any data on the "average" motorcycle > emissions compared to the > > "average" car emissions? I'm looking for something > like "motorcycles put > out > > X% less emissions compared to the average car". > Anyone read anything like > > that or remember anything? > > > > thanks > > > > dave > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 14:21:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GILvT23396; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:21:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: F2/F3 race plastics? Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:05:30 -0400 Message-ID: <13t7eucva51h53cem510qif7cp723c58ch@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4GILul23384 A frind of mine is looking for upper and lowers for an F2. If anyone has any, please let me know or email maine212@XXXXXX Color unimportant. If the head ligth hole is cut out, even better. Street plastics are fine too, as long as it's inexepnsive. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 14:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GILMH23379; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:21:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516182018.34903.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: Fairing replacement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E76B@NCEAEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii JC Whitney has very decent prices on bodywork. But typically limited to 97 or older sportbikes... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 15:04:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GJ4j424293; Thu, 16 May 2002 15:04:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020516190442.43844.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:04:42 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: re: plastics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii don't fail to check out Baltimore Cycle Salvage. He typically has lots of sportbike tupperware. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 15:17:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GJHB624609; Thu, 16 May 2002 15:17:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020516150841.00daa628@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:18:28 -0400 To: "ROBERSON, Brian" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: German Vehicles In-Reply-To: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD01077691@lmimaila.lmi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:45 AM 5/16/2002, ROBERSON, Brian wrote: >Larry, > >Have you actually driven a M5, or 540i (both 6 speeds) You should before >you make fun. They are quite potent, and happen to be a little hefty... >Probably some of the best handling cars in the world. I think they weigh >in around 37xx pounds.. The 540i comes in around 5.4 0-60, and M5 closer >to 5.0 ... They outhandle most sports cars and are faster to boot... Brian, I've driven most Bimmers since the original 2002tii, including the 3.0 CS and three generations of M3s, and owned a Bavaria; drove all the current models before buying my other half's 325i this year. Didn't own more of them because I was an Alfa guy. 8;) They handle nicely for their size, and can generate very surprising numbers, but they don't meet my (admittedly hard core) requirements. Neither does the Corvette, despite pulling 1.0g+. I just don't like heavy vehicles. If it's over 2500 pounds, it's too heavy for me. And most cars don't have to be as heavy as they are -- for example, my 1984 Audi 5000 5-speed weighed 2820 lbs., had scads of room inside (much more than a current A6) and handled terrifically for a four-door sedan. My perfect car is a street-legal formula car -- which is why I'll probably buy a new Caterham or Rotus next. Actually, Lotus is the only production car company which has shared my philosophy for the last 30 years, that lighter is better. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 16:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4GKDKw25621; Thu, 16 May 2002 16:13:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYaXHhcK2VHI9lcgVGvhrBmAUjWxhN+1paM4YOf/Vpcua7w8MAoQJCJuKw1l6CYalA= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: German Vehicles Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:12:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020516150841.00daa628@mail.9netave.com> Importance: Normal Once again: Too many wheels. F--- 'em. ...and anything over 600lbs is too heavy. --jon p.s. and no, Horkster, just because they're shaft driven doesn't mean we need to hear about them. > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Larson [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] > Subject: RE: German Vehicles Much dc-cartalk deleted. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 20:17:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4H0HM201045; Thu, 16 May 2002 20:17:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Do Yin" To: Subject: helmet camera Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I just bought a sony dcr-trv27 and will be purchasing a helmet camera (www.helmetcamera.com) to go with it. Helmet camera company is located in Fredericksburg. Anyone how I can set up a device that I can attach the helmet cam to which I can then attach to the bike? What I want is something that's portable. I'm envisioning a vise-like grip thingamajig or a clip device I can use to attach to the bike. Like on the top edge of the windscreen, clipons or even a mirror. So that way I can just pop it off and move it to a friend's bike. I just don't feel like asking friends to put velcro onto their helmets just so that they can film some stuff. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 21:28:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4H1SdZ02156; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:28:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017e01c1fd3d$86bab560$ca38e2cf@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC DMV gets a D- Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:55:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Here are the facts. May they prevent others' discomfort. April 29. Received registration renewal, due 5/14. Sent in with check for 2 years -- web renewal was suggested on the form, but I figured "check is safer, more secure, in light of publicized current DMV computer system changes". Have done this satisfactorily in the past. Waited until this am to enter the fray, no reg'n being received. Called bank, CHECK POSTED 5/1 (two days for mail, receive, deposit, clear -- wow! Did the postman call it in ahead?). Called DMV public help line. After checking, lady said there is some dysfunction between DMV and my bank (one of largest in area) and [bank system jargon here] causing problems. (Of course this must be a most common transaction, affecting hundreds of people). She said take copy of cancelled check to DMV (recommended SE on Pa Ave.) Last time I needed a check copy it took days. Call bank, ready to quiet the bike for a while. Bright spot -- I can access check photo on web, print out. Another wow and done in 15m. Change pm plans, get job done (1 hr wait). Lesson learned -- DC DMV still about as dependable as NASDAQ. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> "04" much better looking than "02". Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 22:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4H276002837; Thu, 16 May 2002 22:07:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001201c1fd47$76c14ed0$283e21a2@Bubaleh> From: "Janey & Kurt" To: References: <200205162300.g4GN01I29390@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: VFR Service Manual & Front Brake Pads Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:05:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Any VFR listers in need of a service manual and/or OEM front brake pads? I just traded in my '96 VFR, so I no longer need the pads or the manual. The brake pads have never been used and are still in the original packaging from Honda. I'll let them go for any reasonable offer. -Kurt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 22:42:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4H2goX03486; Thu, 16 May 2002 22:42:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <014301c1fd4a$e4ed2ac0$fd6a2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" , "DC-Cycles" References: <017e01c1fd3d$86bab560$ca38e2cf@micron> Subject: Re: DC DMV gets a D- Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:31:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I've kind of given up on mail-in and web renewals after they made a hash of my last web renewal on the bike. Like you I did it in plenty of time, but no sticker came in the mail. To top it off it happened about the time of the anthrax fiasco. It's worth the peace of mind to spend the half hour or so it takes to get it done in person and leave with the thing in our hand. Now I need a new DL, so off I go. Mid-month late hours on Wednesdays seem to work for me. BTW, are they still issuing plate stickers for bikes? According to the web site, plate stickers are being phased out for cages in favor of windshield stickers. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: DC DMV gets a D- > Here are the facts. May they prevent others' discomfort. > > April 29. Received registration renewal, due 5/14. Sent in with check for > 2 years -- web renewal was suggested on the form, but I figured "check is > safer, more secure, in light of publicized current DMV computer system > changes". Have done this satisfactorily in the past. ..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 23:54:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4H3sbc04591; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:54:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020517035434.67213.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:54:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Big thanks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <014301c1fd4a$e4ed2ac0$fd6a2c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I must say thanks to Matt Patton for his help earlier this evening. We got almost everything done on my bike and I know I had a learning experience. I'm sure we'll get the rest done later. Matt, if you ever need any help with those bikes I wouldn't mind lending a hand and learning more. Steve '01 YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 16 23:55:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4H3tFI04642; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:55:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020517035513.75036.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Big thanks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <014301c1fd4a$e4ed2ac0$fd6a2c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I must say thanks to Matt Patton for his help earlier this evening. We got almost everything done on my bike and I know I had a learning experience. I'm sure we'll get the rest done later. Matt, if you ever need any help with those bikes I wouldn't mind lending a hand and learning more. Steve '01 YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 09:37:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HDbw713769; Fri, 17 May 2002 09:37:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E77C@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: helmet camera Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:37:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Though not exactly what your looking for, this web site discusses hard mounts for the helmet camera. http://www.geocities.com/jokroncrak2001/camsetup.html Ted Wilson used a handlebar mount from Ram Mounts for his camcorder and used to have a great .AVI of a trip through Boulder Canyon on a FatBoy with this setup, but the link on his site is down, try shooting him an email directly, he may have more advice. http://www.tedwillson.net/ Here is the link for the Ram Mounts. I know someone here on the list uses their stuff and likes it a lot (Jordan maybe?-sorry CRS). http://www.cyclegadgets.com/Products/RAM/ram.asp?prod=camera The big tradeoff is portability versus stability. The easy on/off stuff can shake a lot, but the stable stuff is permanently mounted. Definitley experiment with different mounting locations because some locations leave the resulting footage pretty underwhelming. Got to http://www.bikepics.com/bikemovies/ and check out what others have done. Sportbikes.net has some but their video site is down for now. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "It's not hard to meet expenses... they're everywhere" I just bought a sony dcr-trv27 and will be purchasing a helmet camera (www.helmetcamera.com) to go with it. Helmet camera company is located in Fredericksburg. Anyone how I can set up a device that I can attach the helmet cam to which I can then attach to the bike? What I want is something that's portable. I'm envisioning a vise-like grip thingamajig or a clip device I can use to attach to the bike. Like on the top edge of the windscreen, clipons or even a mirror. So that way I can just pop it off and move it to a friend's bike. I just don't feel like asking friends to put velcro onto their helmets just so that they can film some stuff. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 10:41:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HEfpn14932; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:41:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Barnes and Noble Bike night Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020517112034.28826.qmail@smtp.sportbikes.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2002 14:40:43.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2B6EEC0:01C1FDB0] I went yesterday, and there was alot of police there, they basically made everyone leave. I dont think there will be more barnes and noble nights, we might have to look for a yogurt shop or something now. The group was well behaved, i didnt see anyone doing burnouts or wheelies. But the usual spot that we used to park, near the store was blocked off, and you could tell something was up. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 10:45:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HEjDT15201; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:45:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: "Ricardo Pontes" Cc: "Dccycles" Subject: Re: Barnes and Noble Bike night Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:53:00 -0400 Message-ID: <0a6aeu0s0c9s3mv5v6l78tijvcca7vcvlt@4ax.com> References: <20020517112034.28826.qmail@smtp.sportbikes.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4HEjCl15185 I heard hooters is the new spot up there... for obvious reasons. On Fri, 17 May 2002 10:41:37 -0400, you wrote: |> |> |>I went yesterday, and there was alot of police there, they basically made |>everyone leave. I dont think there will be more barnes and noble nights, we |>might have to look for a yogurt shop or something now. The group was well |>behaved, i didnt see anyone doing burnouts or wheelies. But the usual spot |>that we used to park, near the store was blocked off, and you could tell |>something was up. |> |>Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 11:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HF6nm15811; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:06:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.207] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Barnes and Noble Bike night Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:05:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2002 15:05:38.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DD35280:01C1FDB4] They made the usual parking a fire lane. As I said in the previous thread about B&N, the riff-raff from other locales have ruined things... :P >From: "Ricardo Pontes" >To: "Dccycles" >Subject: Barnes and Noble Bike night >Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:41:37 -0400 > > > >I went yesterday, and there was alot of police there, they basically made >everyone leave. I dont think there will be more barnes and noble nights, we >might have to look for a yogurt shop or something now. The group was well >behaved, i didnt see anyone doing burnouts or wheelies. But the usual spot >that we used to park, near the store was blocked off, and you could tell >something was up. > >Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 11:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HF7n015932; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.168] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Barnes and Noble Bike night Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:06:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2002 15:06:42.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[73E6CA10:01C1FDB4] Stop following us!!! :D >From: Danny >To: "Ricardo Pontes" >CC: "Dccycles" >Subject: Re: Barnes and Noble Bike night >Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:53:00 -0400 > >I heard hooters is the new spot up there... for obvious reasons. > >On Fri, 17 May 2002 10:41:37 -0400, you wrote: > >|> >|> >|>I went yesterday, and there was alot of police there, they basically made >|>everyone leave. I dont think there will be more barnes and noble nights, >we >|>might have to look for a yogurt shop or something now. The group was well >|>behaved, i didnt see anyone doing burnouts or wheelies. But the usual >spot >|>that we used to park, near the store was blocked off, and you could tell >|>something was up. >|> >|>Ricardo > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 12:22:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HGMw017337; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:22:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:22:19 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "R6" Ride? Message-ID: <649E89FD.3FF3EBDA.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The group ride is going to take place Sunday May 19. Here are the times and meeting places. 9:00-9:15-Meeting Place 1 Chevy's in Greenbelt 9:30am-10:00 Meeting Place 2 Rockville at Starbucks/Barnes and Noble on Rockville pike. 10:00- Leave Rockville head to Warrenton 11:15-11:45 Meeting 3 Warrenton on Rt 29 and Rt 211, Sheetz Gas Station Rob and Steve since you guys live close to each other meet as a group. I don't mind meeting up with you all. Would the Four Seasons at 8:30 be a good time? You might be asking yourself why so early? I have to meet up with the people from baltimore in Greenbelt. If they bail out I'll let you know asap. Roy you live far south would you like to meet us in Warrenton? I would like to hear the sould of your new pipe. Cheers all... -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 13:37:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HHb0H18626; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:37:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005301c1fdc9$be5e7600$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: SPAM: Selling cordura jacket on eBay Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:39:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Here's a cordura jacket I'm selling on eBay. No reserve, priced to move, need the closet space. I wore it one summer, then keep it for a pillion jacket, but it's a tad too big for my wife. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1829885543 Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 13:38:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HHcRj18692; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:38:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "R6" Ride? Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:38:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Are you going if it's raining? -----Original Message----- From: STmaven@XXXXXX [mailto:STmaven@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "R6" Ride? The group ride is going to take place Sunday May 19. Here are the times and meeting places. 9:00-9:15-Meeting Place 1 Chevy's in Greenbelt 9:30am-10:00 Meeting Place 2 Rockville at Starbucks/Barnes and Noble on Rockville pike. 10:00- Leave Rockville head to Warrenton 11:15-11:45 Meeting 3 Warrenton on Rt 29 and Rt 211, Sheetz Gas Station From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 13:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HHnPE19038; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:49:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:48:47 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "R6" Ride? Message-ID: <41156677.751D67CC.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm a fair weather rider. If it rains the ride is off. But the weather out look for sunday looks good. I think wether.com my most visited web site this week. LOL -Mark In a message dated Fri, 17 May 2002 M- 1:38:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: >Are you going if it's raining? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 15:14:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HJE0I20670; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:14:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020517191350.82773.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Cycle Pro's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They're in Lorton by the gas tank farm off of I-95. Anyone availed themselves of their service or sales team? They keep rather minimalist hours (1-6pm M-F), however. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 15:28:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HJSVj21043; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:28:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 17 May 2002 19:28:19 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Cycle Pro's X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:28:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020517122819.11628.h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> cycle pros is owned by sebastian dipinto. awesome racer, great guy, great shop. > > They're in Lorton by the gas tank farm off of I-95. Anyone availed > themselves of their service or sales team? They keep rather minimalist > hours (1-6pm M-F), however. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 15:38:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4HJcJb21416; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:38:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 17 May 2002 19:38:11 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SKeener2@XXXXXX Cc: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Cycle Pro's X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:38:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020517123811.13416.h005.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Fri, 17 May 2002, SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote > Laura is just fascinated with his piercings. DOH He has piercings? Hmmm...didn't know...I just thought it was his way with women. LOL. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 17 23:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4I33T628709; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:03:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517230159.00db8468@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:04:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Formula SAE race cars w/ CBR 600 F3 engines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Saw an interesting Speed channel show last night about Formula SAE race cars built using CBR 600 F3 engines. Has anyone on the list been involved with one of these cars at U Md or elsewhere? Thanks -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 18 10:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4IEa0L11292; Sat, 18 May 2002 10:36:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002301c1fe67$c92f6e60$ce7e5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC tags Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:30:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Paul Wilson" . . .. BTW, are they still issuing plate stickers for bikes? According to the web site, plate stickers are being phased out for cages in favor of windshield stickers. ********** What I received was near-previous: I was handed an 8-1/2x11 laser-printed-on-the-spot sheet with a new-design wallet-card reg'n and an as-before year sticker stapled to the sheet by the clerk. Asked about where to place the sticker on a motorcycle, clerk said the same place as before. I had no feeling that my mc reg'n was different from auto. ??? Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Campaigning for 5-year registration. DMV cuts into ridetime. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 19 13:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4JHUkT05508; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:30:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:30:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Oil: Synth vs. Dino? Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not trying to restart a flamewar here, just looking for some quick information. Can anyone tell me if there are any special tricks I must do to switch from dino oil to a fully-synthetic one? Is it as simple as just putting in a new filter and the new oil, or must I do something silly like flush the engine system? Anyone who wishes to wax rhapsodic about the joys of synthetic oil, I'd love to hear it -- privately. See, I'm _really_ not trying to start a flamewar... Hope everyone is out riding on this feckin' gorgeous day, not stuck changing cage oil and filters like me. Fish. leaving brown smudges on the keyboard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 19 15:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4JJNaT07245; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:23:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020519152204.027c9360@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:22:29 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Oil: Synth vs. Dino? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed nope, nothing special. Just change the oil and filter and you'll be fine. At 12:30 PM 5/19/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >Not trying to restart a flamewar here, just looking for some quick >information. Can anyone tell me if there are any special tricks I must do >to switch from dino oil to a fully-synthetic one? Is it as simple as just >putting in a new filter and the new oil, or must I do something silly like >flush the engine system? > >Anyone who wishes to wax rhapsodic about the joys of synthetic oil, I'd >love to hear it -- privately. See, I'm _really_ not trying to start a >flamewar... > >Hope everyone is out riding on this feckin' gorgeous day, not stuck >changing cage oil and filters like me. > >Fish. >leaving brown smudges on the keyboard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 19 17:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4JL66808840; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:06:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 19 May 2002 21:05:49 GMT Message-ID: <001001c1ff7a$b9acff20$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Synth vs. Dino? Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 17:18:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 See, I'm _really_ not trying to start a > flamewar... > should have thought of that before you started this thread. ;) LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 19 23:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4K3IQ814573; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:18:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Congrats Leon!!! Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:11:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Congratulations are due to our very own Leon Begeman, winner of the 2002 Hopeless Rally. Leon rode more than 1500 miles in 24 hours (or less) on his Ninja 250. Woohoo!! LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 00:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4K4Owa15626; Mon, 20 May 2002 00:24:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: How to add more fun to your ride Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:24:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c1ffb6$4b180280$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Ride a little boring? Want to add a little more fun to your ride? Do like I did this afternoon. ArmorAll your seat. Doh! Got a bit carried away washing the Seca today. Next weekend I think I'll lube my tires for faster cornering and sand the scratches out of my faceshield... Rob Curtis Senior Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ "To be persuasive, we must be believable. To be believable, we must be credible. To be credible, we must be truthful." Edward R. Murrow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 07:28:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KBSdd22087; Mon, 20 May 2002 07:28:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE8DF2E.625BDC2E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:34:06 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RobCurtis[rmcurtis"@prodigy.net] CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: How to add more fun to your ride References: <000101c1ffb6$4b180280$6401a8c0@cypher> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heh --- heh heh heh... Like I've *never* done that. Well, not recently. A leather saddle saved me from making that mistake again, and again... Bill Rob Curtis wrote: > Ride a little boring? Want to add a little more fun to your ride? Do > like I did this afternoon. ArmorAll your seat. Doh! Got a bit carried > away washing the Seca today. > > Next weekend I think I'll lube my tires for faster cornering and sand > the scratches out of my faceshield... > > Rob Curtis > Senior Photographer > Army Times Publishing Co. > Springfield, VA > http://www.robcurtis.com > __________________ > "To be persuasive, we must be believable. > To be believable, we must be credible. > To be credible, we must be truthful." > Edward R. Murrow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 09:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KDWN224035; Mon, 20 May 2002 09:32:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020520133212.81274.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 06:32:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Congrats Leon!!! To: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii congrats to one crazy mofo! --- "LindaT." wrote: > Congratulations are due to our very own Leon Begeman, > winner of the 2002 > Hopeless Rally. Leon rode more than 1500 miles in 24 > hours (or less) on his > Ninja 250. > > Woohoo!! > > LindaT. > Custom TankBags > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > http://www.customtankbags.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 09:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KDfoN24262; Mon, 20 May 2002 09:41:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020520134148.73055.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 06:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Congrats Leon!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020520133212.81274.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's a constant 63MPH or a more likely 70 to 75mph with gas stops. So how did you do it Leon without busting the speed limit? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 09:59:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KDx0K24677; Mon, 20 May 2002 09:59:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020520135848.38135.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 06:58:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Congrats Leon!!! To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020520134148.73055.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > That's a constant 63MPH or a more likely 70 to 75mph with > gas stops. So > how did you do it Leon without busting the speed limit? a. don't be so sure about the effect of gas stops on leon's average speed. he's got like 10+ gallons of fuel on that thang. b. who said anything about keeping the speed below the posted limit? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 12:00:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KG0bb26737; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:00:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:59:13 -0400 From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Starter troubles Message-ID: <67FFD22C.648DE1DD.007800B3@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kawasaki ZL600 I have what I think is a frayed starter wire. Here is a typical start-up for me: I hit the start button and instead of roaring to life like normal, there is a small "rrrrrrr" noise and the red light for the heat index comes on. I will take off my seat and adjust the little wire attached to my battery nob on the left side (the one that doesn't have the red rubbery piece on it [negative, right?]) and then put the seat on and then the bike starts when I hit the start button. I know for a fact that the connection is loose but should I replace the wire if I have noticed that it is frayed? Is that wire for the starter? Anyone have ideas? sue From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 12:37:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KGbYr27403; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:37:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:37:15 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chuck sighting? Message-ID: <7DDED5FD.549C47DA.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit While I was walking to work this morning, a rider on a black motorcycle (couldn't tell what...moving too fast ;-) ), black jacket and black AGV helmet with MSF sticker (very distinctive) on the back, turned in behind CATO on 10th and Mass. Was that you Chuck? You're the only motorcycle rider I know who works at CATO. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 12:55:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KGtLd27775; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:55:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: RobCurtis[rmcurtis@XXXXXX], DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How to add more fun to your ride Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:54:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2002 16:54:14.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8E43740:01C2001E] Thanks! I was gonna do that today! I hadn't really thought about the ramifications either. :| >From: "Rob Curtis" >Reply-To: >To: "DC-CYCLES" >Subject: How to add more fun to your ride >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:24:51 -0400 > > >Ride a little boring? Want to add a little more fun to your ride? Do >like I did this afternoon. ArmorAll your seat. Doh! Got a bit carried >away washing the Seca today. > >Next weekend I think I'll lube my tires for faster cornering and sand >the scratches out of my faceshield... > >Rob Curtis >Senior Photographer >Army Times Publishing Co. >Springfield, VA >http://www.robcurtis.com >__________________ >"To be persuasive, we must be believable. > To be believable, we must be credible. > To be credible, we must be truthful." >Edward R. Murrow > > > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 13:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KHA2f28128; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:10:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Chuck sighting? Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:09:47 -0400 To: "scooterfzr@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2002 17:09:48.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[257A2D80:01C20021] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4KH9ul28112 Not me. Another Cato staffer on black SV650. My "rat" FZR "track bike with lights" is not really up for commuting duty. Original Message: ----------------- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:37:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chuck sighting? While I was walking to work this morning, a rider on a black motorcycle (couldn't tell what...moving too fast ;-) ), black jacket and black AGV helmet with MSF sticker (very distinctive) on the back, turned in behind CATO on 10th and Mass. Was that you Chuck? You're the only motorcycle rider I know who works at CATO. Scooter -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 13:41:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KHfII28768; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:41:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:40:45 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("dc-cycles@XXXXXX") Subject: RE: Chuck sighting? Message-ID: <5EBD871A.1349BF33.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That's what it was. I knew it was too nice looking to be your rat bike. I just figured you bought another one. ;-) I actuaaly didn't realize you worked that close to me. I live in the Mass House on 13th and Mass. and walk by CATO everyday on my to work on 9th and E. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 20 May 2002 M- 1:10:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" writes: >Not me. M- Another Cato staffer on black SV650. M- My "rat" FZR "track bike with lights" is not really up for commuting duty. > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: M- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:37:15 -0400 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Chuck sighting? > > >While I was walking to work this morning, a rider on a black motorcycle (couldn't tell what...moving too fast ;-) ), black jacket and black AGV helmet with MSF sticker (very distinctive) on the back, turned in behind CATO on 10th and Mass. M- Was that you Chuck? M- You're the only motorcycle rider I know who works at CATO. > >Scooter > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 13:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KHt6P29132; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:55:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Ledford, Calvin" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Subject: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:55:37 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was wondering if there are any lawyers on the list (especially in VA) who might be willing to offer some advice. I dropped a motorcycle (VF500) off at Coleman in Falls Church for an estimate on some work. They did the estimate then lost the bike. I went to pick it up and they couldn't find it. Sent me home empty handed, and suggested that they'd just misplaced it - that they'd drop it by once they found it. No they claim it was stolen (I personally think they auctioned it by mistake) and they've filed a police report on it (gave report #) and state that I'm on my own! Let me repeat that - they claim that since it was stolen from their "secure" storage area that their insurance is not liable (due care), and that they aren't either. They're saying that I should have had insurance on it (had liability - and still checking to see if I had comprehensive - long story I've got the comp on the VFR, but don't think I got it on the VF) and there is nothing that they can/will do about it other then (as a goodwill gesture) give me a discount on another bike. I stated that they could pay me the value of the bike, or I'd pursue civil recourse. They stated that I could feel free to go ahead and sue them - that several cases have been tried and in all instances that bike owner lost as the court ruled they should have had comprehensive on the bike. Is this true? If anyone has advice please respond to me off list at cledford@XXXXXX - I'm a digest member and the digest format is hard to browse for specific posts. Thanks, -Calvin '00VFR800 Interceptor (no longer) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 14:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KIbWk29906; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:37:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020520183728.47038.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii PLEASE keep us informed about this, inquiring minds want to know. BTW you might want to file with the Better Business Bureau, I know Coleman Power Sport has multiple complaints against them (I filed one myself, in fact.) --- "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > > > I was wondering if there are any lawyers on the list > (especially in VA) who > might be willing to offer some advice. I dropped a > motorcycle (VF500) off > at Coleman in Falls Church for an estimate on some > work. They did the > estimate then lost the bike. I went to pick it up > and they couldn't find > it. Sent me home empty handed, and suggested that > they'd just misplaced it > - that they'd drop it by once they found it. > > No they claim it was stolen (I personally think they > auctioned it by > mistake) and they've filed a police report on it > (gave report #) and state > that I'm on my own! Let me repeat that - they claim > that since it was > stolen from their "secure" storage area that their > insurance is not liable > (due care), and that they aren't either. They're > saying that I should have > had insurance on it (had liability - and still > checking to see if I had > comprehensive - long story I've got the comp on the > VFR, but don't think I > got it on the VF) and there is nothing that they > can/will do about it other > then (as a goodwill gesture) give me a discount on > another bike. I stated > that they could pay me the value of the bike, or I'd > pursue civil recourse. > They stated that I could feel free to go ahead and > sue them - that several > cases have been tried and in all instances that bike > owner lost as the court > ruled they should have had comprehensive on the > bike. Is this true? > > If anyone has advice please respond to me off list > at cledford@XXXXXX - I'm > a digest member and the digest format is hard to > browse for specific posts. > > Thanks, > > -Calvin > '00VFR800 Interceptor > (no longer) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 14:51:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KIptx00386; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:51:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520141738.040a5830@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:50:10 -0400 To: "Ledford, Calvin" From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This is nasty. What's the rough market value of the cycle? If there's a "disappearance" with no sign of a break-in, one of their employees probably made off with the thing. At 01:55 PM 5/20/2002, Ledford, Calvin wrote: >They stated that I could feel free to go ahead and sue them - that several >cases have been tried and in all instances that bike owner lost as the court >ruled they should have had comprehensive on the bike. Is this true? Huh. So, they lose them all the time? Ask the police how many others have been "stolen". Unfortunately, it gets expensive on both sides once the lawyers get involved. They or their insurance company might settle once you actually file a civil case against them. If they don't, it's going to start costing you a lot. The initial filing is pretty cheap from a court cost perspective; but the lawyer's time is never cheap. Whether you have comp on this bike or not, an underwriter at your insurance company will probably give you a pretty good read on whether they'd be paying out the comp claim themselves or getting it from Coleman's insurer. If the latter, you should be able to do the same, at least theoretically. Did you sign something when you checked the cycle in? What does the fine print say? I would be all over the county and state consumer protection folks, and county and state attorneys general. These folks work for you, sort of, and calls from them, and the Better Business Bureau, and the police working the theft case, and whoever else you can dig up, may start to give Coleman's the idea that you are a real pain in the ass best gotten rid of the Easy Way. Fairfax County Consumer Protection: Auto repair dispute help -- you have an EXTREME version: Better Business Bureau -- file a complaint online: Filing consumer complaints with the VA Attorney General: You get the idea. Sorry IANAL. Good luck! /// Rob P.S. File with the county for a demonstration permit, and picket their service department on a Saturday! They'll lose enough service business in a Saturday to pay for your bike! :-D Probably lots of folks on the list who'd come down and hold up a "Coleman's Sucks" sign for a few hours... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 15:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KJ5v600795; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:05:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020520190547.19529.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: DC tags To: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <002301c1fe67$c92f6e60$ce7e5b0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just had my KLR inspected last month and I received the usual sticker. --- "Mobacc (now @ATT)" wrote: > From: "Paul Wilson" > > . . .. > > BTW, are they still issuing plate stickers for bikes? According to > the web > site, plate stickers are being phased out for cages in favor of > windshield > stickers. > > ********** > What I received was near-previous: I was handed an 8-1/2x11 > laser-printed-on-the-spot sheet with a new-design wallet-card reg'n > and an > as-before year sticker stapled to the sheet by the clerk. Asked > about where > to place the sticker on a motorcycle, clerk said the same place as > before. > I had no feeling that my mc reg'n was different from auto. ??? > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 --> Campaigning for 5-year registration. DMV cuts into > ridetime. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 15:07:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KJ7jb00913; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:07:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520144339.02539f90@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:07:26 -0400 To: "Ledford, Calvin" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:55 PM 5/20/2002 -0400, Ledford, Calvin wrote: Man Calvin, I'm really sorry to hear that happened. Not that it's a good source of legal reference but a similar situation occurred on Judge Judy the other day (yeah yeah, but being unemployed, I get to watch all these type of shows during the day). Anyway, a guy got his car stolen from a local garage and the judge ruled that: 1. Since the vehicle was in a "secure" area and the repair facility did not negligently leave the keys in the ignition or in any other way show they deliberately allow the vehicle to be stolen, they are not liable. and... 2. That's what insurance is for. Having said that, a friend of mine had *his* VFR stolen at Leesburg Honda about two months ago. Because they DID leave the keys in the ignition and admitted that over THIRTY bikes have been stolen from their "secure" facility at night, they paid for, and delivered, a new bike for him. (He had less than 1k on the odometer when it was stolen). It took them two months to get a replacement but he just got it last week and they are also paying for and replacing all custom parts he had installed on the bike. When I owned an 85 700 Magna, Coleman installed a set of fork seals *upside down* and the first time I hit the front disks, the oil came shooting out of the seals all over the tires, engine and my pants. Limping back to them, they tried to accuse *me* of messing with the seals! I JUST LEFT THE DEALERSHIP NOT 5 MINUTES BEFORE. It finally took Honda Corp to intervene before Coleman would replace and install a new set correctly. Meanwhile, Colemans management did everything short of calling me an outright liar and that they would *never* install seals upside down. They even tried to charge me storage fees while Honda tried to sort it all out. When Honda agreed to pay for the labor to break down the forks and see if the seals were incorrectly installed, they discovered that they did indeed install the seals upsidedown. Christ almighty what a bunch of arrogant assholes. I never went back to get *any* service done by them. The investigator I worked with from Honda Corp did NOT have kind words for Coleman and recommended I look elsewhere for future service..he said they have had several complaints about their service. If my bike broke down right in front of their store, I wouldn't even use their phone to call a tow truck to take it somewhere else. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 15:09:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KJ9qL01027; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:09:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 20 May 2002 19:09:44 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rob@XXXXXX Cc: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:09:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020520120944.20529.h009.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Mon, 20 May 2002, Rob Winters wrote > If there's a "disappearance" with no sign of a break-in, one of their > employees probably made off with the thing. the way that place operates, it wouldn't surprise me if they steal a bike here or there and sell it. That place is completely messed up. With all of the problems people have with that place, I can't believe they are still in business. I say that DC Cycles starts a huge anti-coleman rally!!! ;) If I were Calvin, I'd tell them that Guido would take care of this situation outside of court if they weren't careful (that was a joke, people, for those who are humor impaired). LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 15:33:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KJXJV01545; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:33:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:31:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200205201931.g4KJVtu24183@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Calvin laments 'butter fingers' Coleman for 'losing' his bike - ... [Dave] 1st, Calvin, that sucks... definitely at least talk to a lawyer. I don't remember if Coleman is in FFX or Falls Church ; at any rate, go to the local consumer protection agency & file a complaint. IF the lawyer say you 'got nuttin' ' I would at least file in small claims court. ** Before doing so, go there and take pictures of all the 'unsecured' bikes (if it's anything like 10 years ago - the last time I can remember being there...ok, 8 or 7... all the ones they finish go outside until the customer comes for it). ** I don't think leaving a bike outside, unsecured, unfenced & unguarded is 'due diligence' as far as keeping valuable property. If I were working on lawn mowers, I wouldn't leave them in my front yard unattended, no matter how good my 'hood is... LAG opines - ... I say that DC Cycles starts a huge anti-coleman rally!!! ;) [Dave] While said in jest, it's actually a good idea. BUT, it needs to be clearly stated *WHY* they're losing our business - Basically telling a valued LM to take a hike after negligently losing his bike. Really, I can't believe a business that caters to such a small community would not just fork over the money as a matter of good press ; We're not talking $5k here... Calvin - document EVERYTHING. Every conversation, who you had it with, what was said, when was it said, what was signed, etc... Keep us updated, good luck & hopefully something from the list will help. Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 15:34:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KJYDb01613; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE94F0F.2030909@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:31:27 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020310 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520144339.02539f90@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > At 01:55 PM 5/20/2002 -0400, Ledford, Calvin wrote: > > > > Man Calvin, I'm really sorry to hear that happened. Me too.. > > The investigator I worked with from Honda Corp did NOT have kind words > for Coleman and recommended I look > elsewhere for future service..he said they have had several complaints > about their service. Maybe thats why Coleman doesn't sell Honda's anymore... > > > If my bike broke down right in front of their store, I wouldn't even > use their phone to call a tow truck to take it somewhere > else. > Amen. Tom de '98 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 15:39:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KJden01898; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:39:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520153742.02537a58@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:39:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! In-Reply-To: <3CE94F0F.2030909@yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520144339.02539f90@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:31 PM 5/20/2002 -0400, Tom de wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: > >>At 01:55 PM 5/20/2002 -0400, Ledford, Calvin wrote: >> >> >> >>Man Calvin, I'm really sorry to hear that happened. > >Me too.. > >> >>The investigator I worked with from Honda Corp did NOT have kind words >>for Coleman and recommended I look >>elsewhere for future service..he said they have had several complaints >>about their service. > >Maybe thats why Coleman doesn't sell Honda's anymore... good point...I forgot to mention that the Honda rep said they were was seriously considering pulling their franchise license to sell Hondas because of the numerous complaints that were logged. Guess they actually followed through. Good for them. >>If my bike broke down right in front of their store, I wouldn't even use >>their phone to call a tow truck to take it somewhere >>else. >Amen. > >Tom de '98 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 15:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KJiH102108; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:44:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE95179.9010207@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:41:45 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020310 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! References: <200205201931.g4KJVtu24183@texas.pop3now.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > >LAG opines - >... I say that DC Cycles starts a huge anti-coleman rally!!! ;) > >[Dave] While said in jest, it's actually a good idea. BUT, it needs >to be clearly stated *WHY* they're losing our business >- Basically telling a valued LM to take a hike after negligently >losing his bike. > I'd go to that rally. Set a time and date and I'll be there. Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 15:47:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KJlJ902334; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:47:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:47:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! From: Rob Curtis To: "Ledford, Calvin" CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Eh? They are liable. They are a Bailee, taking custody of your property. There is no contractual agreement that protects them from negligence on their part. Theft is negligence. Due Care means their insurance company won't cover the loss, they have to. This is free advice from a friend that is a property attorney in Florida. He says it's common law and doesn't change from state to state. He suggested that you contact your insurance company, even if you didn't have comp, and ask them to step in. Go after them. They owe you a bike. Robby C. on 5/20/02 13:55, Ledford, Calvin at cledford@XXXXXX noted: > > > that they could pay me the value of the bike, or I'd pursue civil recourse. > They stated that I could feel free to go ahead and sue them - that several > cases have been tried and in all instances that bike owner lost as the court > ruled they should have had comprehensive on the bike. Is this true? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 15:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KJmst02445; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:48:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020520194851.30378.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3CE95179.9010207@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would LOVE to devote a day or half a day to picketing Coleman's. They've screwed me or tried to screw me every time I've dealt with them. I simply don't deal with them anymore. If there was even a small fraction of the angered former customers of Colemans there, you'd have quite a protest rally. Wouldn't make much difference in the way they do business I suspect, but it might deter some potential new customers. Chris --- Tom de wrote: > I'd go to that rally. Set a time and date and I'll > be there. > > Tom de '98 VTR > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 15:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KJsTl02686; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:54:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 20 May 2002 19:54:22 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:54:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020520125422.18138.h012.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Mon, 20 May 2002, Chris Weaver wrote > > I would LOVE to devote a day or half a day to > picketing Coleman's. They've screwed me or tried to > screw me every time I've dealt with them. I simply > don't deal with them anymore. > > If there was even a small fraction of the angered > former customers of Colemans there, you'd have quite a > protest rally. I agree that it should be done. Coleman has been messing with people for a long time. I bet we could get people to send us their stories and put together some sort of pamphlet with all of the bad stuff in it. I bet it would be the size of a book. When I first started looking for a bike, they treated me like S***, and because of all of my friends on the list they've screwed with, I'd be happy to help with any sort of effort. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 16:05:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KK5Rm03053; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520155910.02538530@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:05:00 -0400 To: "LAURA GRANATO" , chris_vtr@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020520125422.18138.h012.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.critic alpath.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:54 PM 5/20/2002 -0700, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >On Mon, 20 May 2002, Chris Weaver wrote > > > > > I would LOVE to devote a day or half a day to > > picketing Coleman's. They've screwed me or tried to > > screw me every time I've dealt with them. I simply > > don't deal with them anymore. > > > > If there was even a small fraction of the angered > > former customers of Colemans there, you'd have quite a > > protest rally. > >I agree that it should be done. Coleman has been >messing with people for a long time. I bet we could get >people to send us their stories and put together some >sort of pamphlet with all of the bad stuff in it. I bet >it would be the size of a book. > >When I first started looking for a bike, they treated >me like S***, and because of all of my friends on the >list they've screwed with, I'd be happy to help with >any sort of effort. > >LAG When I worked at Fairoaks DMV, I had a father and son come in to deregister his new bike that he bought at Coleman. Apparently, the salesman did a quick bait and switch and *penciled* in the interest rate on the loan paperwork, which the son ignorantly signed. The salesman made some lame excuse about having to "file" the loan paperwork and that they would mail him the "final" copy in a few days. Meanwhile he was welcome to go ahead and take his new bike that day. Four weeks later, they received the paperwork and the 7% interest rate that was penciled in, was now replaced with a typed in 27% interest rate! Well, what they didn't figure in was that his father was a lawyer and a phone call later, they took the bike back and returned his sons deposit. Hence they were turning in the temp license they had and wanted to make sure that the bike was no longer in their name. I'm surprised they haven't been run out of business already. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 16:05:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KK5Zk03078; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:05:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:05:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! From: Rob Curtis To: "Ledford, Calvin" , , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lets have an anti-coleman ride and demonstration. Robby C. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 16:16:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KKGak03476; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:16:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:15:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2002 20:15:21.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[11550450:01C2003B] Could you guys at least refer to Coleman PowerSports (or PoseurSports) or something to qualify the "Coleman" part? I'm getting a complex already! Perry (no relation) Coleman >From: Rob Curtis >To: "Ledford, Calvin" , , >"'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" >Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:05:31 -0400 > >Lets have an anti-coleman ride and demonstration. > >Robby C. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 16:23:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KKNpU03690; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:23:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16f.de4ec33.2a1ab549@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:23:37 EDT Subject: Re: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10564 In a message dated 5/20/2002 4:05:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aki.damme@XXXXXX writes: Four weeks later, they received the paperwork and the 7% interest rate that was penciled in, was now replaced with a typed in 27% interest rate! Can we say fraud? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 16:26:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KKQ8T03805; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:26:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520162520.0254aca8@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:25:51 -0400 To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16f.de4ec33.2a1ab549@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:23 PM 5/20/2002 -0400, SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 5/20/2002 4:05:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >aki.damme@XXXXXX writes: > > >Four weeks later, they received the paperwork and the 7% interest rate that >was >penciled in, was now replaced with a typed in 27% interest rate! > >Can we say fraud? that's probably what his father mentioned..hence the reason for the hasty retraction. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 16:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KKZbT04209; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:35:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020520203529.33918.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: SPAM - 2001 CBR600F4i for sale To: CBR List , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay folks, we got a fire sale here. 2001 Honda CBR600F4i, red and black, 3800 miles. Stainless front lines, carbon tank guard, factory manual, extra filter and 4 quarts of Honda HP4 oil. PERFECT condition, garage kept on a Battery Tender since new. Bike is in Centreville, VA, about 25 miles to the west of DC. How much? Blue Book is $7390 I am listing it in the paper this Fri/Sat/Sun for $7200/obo. Anyone here want to make me an offer? I really, I'm talking REALLY need to sell it in the next couple of weeks. I have been trying to sell it half heartedly for a month or so now, but now I'm rushed. Why? I made an offer on a house today. Woohoo!! Time to trim down the excess fat, I don't want any surprises coming up when I apply for the loan. Steve 703-599-6154 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 16:39:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KKd0n04357; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:39:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16a.de5e6b4.2a1ab8d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:38:48 EDT Subject: Re: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10564 In a message dated 5/20/2002 4:26:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aki.damme@XXXXXX writes: that's probably what his father mentioned..hence the reason for the hasty retraction. If it's on a legal document....then somebody could easily have ended up with a criminal record. Now I know why I've never bought anything from them. (Out of a dozen or more bikes in the past 5 years) Keener From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 16:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KKfAC04523; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:41:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 20 May 2002 20:41:02 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX Cc: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: SPAM - 2001 CBR600F4i for sale X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020520134102.22269.h010.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Mon, 20 May 2002, stephen cutchins wrote > > Okay folks, we got a fire sale here. > can't buy it, but I'm in centreville and would be happy to ride it around for you with a for sale sign on it. ;) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 16:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KKgBM04719; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:42:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520164032.02542d38@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:41:58 -0400 To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16a.de5e6b4.2a1ab8d8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:38 PM 5/20/2002 -0400, SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 5/20/2002 4:26:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >aki.damme@XXXXXX writes: > > >that's probably what his father mentioned..hence the reason for the hasty >retraction. > >If it's on a legal document....then somebody could easily have ended up with >a criminal record. > >Now I know why I've never bought anything from them. (Out of a dozen or more >bikes in the past 5 years) > >Keener that's probably why the salesman was smart enough not to give the kid a copy of the loan paperwork when he initially signed it. No paperwork to prove he had doctored the final paperwork that was mailed out. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 17:17:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KLHTd05408; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:17:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020520171812.012d8664@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:18:32 -0700 To: Rob Curtis , "Ledford, Calvin" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:47 PM 5/20/02 -0400, Rob Curtis wrote: >Eh? They are liable. They are a Bailee, taking custody of your property. I haven't handled comercial general liability cases on garage keepers broad forms in five years, but as I recall bailment issues control the duty of care that should be excorcised. In this case the shop owner would be held to a higher standard of care. That higher standard has generally been held to be limited to enclosing the vehicle in a fenced lock area, with the keys secured in the building. Really sucks for Calvin, I feel sorry for him, but if what he says is true, I wouldn't place much odds in 100% recovery from colman's liabilty carrier. >There is no contractual agreement that protects them from negligence on >their part. Theft is negligence. No negligence, as a matter of law, on the part of the shop if they adheared to the higher standard of care owed, see above. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 17:22:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KLMaj05623; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:22:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE96910.A5E36D1B@vt.edu> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:22:24 -0400 From: Dave Streilein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/18/02 References: <200205182300.g4IN05I18895@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've talked with a couple of people about it at VT... A friend will be on their team next year ;-) This is a link to the tech page: http://filebox.vt.edu/org/sae/ (kinda a crappy page) they use an f4(i) engine now i believe... The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f > X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX > Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:04:58 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Larry Larson > Subject: Formula SAE race cars w/ CBR 600 F3 engines > > Saw an interesting Speed channel show last night about Formula SAE race > cars built using CBR 600 F3 engines. Has anyone on the list been involved > with one of these cars at U Md or elsewhere? > > Thanks -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 17:24:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KLObb05742; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:24:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [64.241.204.165] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:23:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2002 21:23:30.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[96CDEFD0:01C20044] Count me in!! Razz In-Reply-To: <3CE95179.9010207@yahoo.com> > >I would LOVE to devote a day or half a day to >picketing Coleman's. They've screwed me or tried to >screw me every time I've dealt with them. I simply >don't deal with them anymore. > >If there was even a small fraction of the angered >former customers of Colemans there, you'd have quite a >protest rally. Wouldn't make much difference in the >way they do business I suspect, but it might deter >some potential new customers. > >Chris > > >--- Tom de wrote: > > I'd go to that rally. Set a time and date and I'll > > be there. > > > > Tom de '98 VTR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >http://launch.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 17:36:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KLaRB06174; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:36:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020520173730.006862c4@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:37:33 -0700 To: "Ledford, Calvin" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4KLaQl06162 At 01:55 PM 5/20/02 -0400, Ledford, Calvin wrote: > >that I'm on my own! Let me repeat that - they claim that since it was >stolen from their "secure" storage area that their insurance is not liable >(due care), and that they aren't either. First of all, that really sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you. Also, I'm suprise one of the insurance bashing attorney's on this list haven't responded to your question with some pro bono advise. I may be able to lend you some insight. From the insurance side I can tell you that if what you have said is true that roughly you can expect no voluntary payment from their liability carrier. The reason is that while the shop has a greater duty owed while they have care custody and control of your bike, from what you describe they exorcised a greater duty as the courts have held. The devil is, of course, in the details. >They stated that I could feel free to go ahead and sue them - that several >cases have been tried and in all instances that bike owner lost as the court >ruled they should have had comprehensive on the bike. Is this true? Yes and no. If the matter goes to the mat, meaning both parties contest it to the furtherest possible extent, you'll likely get zero. The good news for you is that the people paying for the shops defense (read expensive lawyers bills) will be motivated to conceed something to avoid the costs of going to trial. I can tell you candidly that just the cost of answering a suit is more than the $1200 or so a VF500 is worth. I seem to recall that you can file in small claims court for less than $50 and a sheriff will serve notice to the shop's owner. In small claims court you don't need a attorney, in fact I seem to recall that its only pro se. Of couse having a attorney is a good idea if you can afford it. I would bet you would at least get an offer from the shops insurance company to settle to avoid the greater costs of a court appearance. A pretty good return for $50 and the threat of a court appearance. Please note that this motivation is not very high, insurance companies have good working relationships with their attorneys, and this case is pretty much a slam dunk. >If anyone has advice please respond to me off list at cledford@XXXXXX - I'm >a digest member and the digest format is hard to browse for specific posts. If you have any more ?'s for it from the insurance side, don't hesitate to ask me. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 17:45:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KLjb706449; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:45:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020520214531.57401.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:45:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Congrats Leon!!! To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020520134148.73055.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > That's a constant 63MPH or a more likely 70 to 75mph > with gas stops. So > how did you do it Leon without busting the speed > limit? > Got to love those 70 mph speed limits down south. The sigma says 1538 miles in 21:27 (actual moving time) That just happens to work out to 70 mph. Can do easy. Leon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 17:47:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KLlfR06562; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:47:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020520214733.64450.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! To: Stephen Harris , Rob Curtis , "Ledford, Calvin" Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020520171812.012d8664@his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Stephen Harris wrote: > At 03:47 PM 5/20/02 -0400, Rob Curtis wrote: > >Eh? They are liable. They are a Bailee, taking custody > of your property. > > I haven't handled comercial general liability cases on > garage keepers broad forms in five years, but as I recall > bailment issues control the duty of care that should be > excorcised. > > In this case the shop owner would be held to a higher > standard of care. That higher standard has generally > been held to be limited to enclosing the vehicle in a > fenced lock area, with the keys secured in the building. > Really sucks for Calvin, I feel sorry for him, but if > what he says is true, I wouldn't place much odds in 100% > recovery from colman's liabilty carrier. why does coleman's liability carrier have anything to do with this? the right to indemnity from its carrier is coleman's problem, not calvin's. now, if there is a contract which limits coleman's liability for such a loss, that is another matter. but, imo, the insurance relationship means jack to mr. ledford. > >There is no contractual agreement that protects them > from negligence on > >their part. Theft is negligence. > > No negligence, as a matter of law, on the part of the > shop if they adheared to the higher standard of care > owed, see above. negligence isn't the cause of action i would pursue here.... calvin, call an attorney licensed in va. that deals with consumer/contract/conversion/replevin/etc. somebody mentioned bailment....but i'm not certain that's the relationship created. in any event (and without knowing a single thing about virginia law on this topic) i'd say the right attorney could get creative and obtain a recovery for you....but at a price, of course. :( -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 17:57:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KLvnO06949; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:57:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CE97176.E0BE5617@atlantech.net> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:58:14 -0400 From: Jim Shoemaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For maximum effect, I suggest that the rally coincide with their next Open House. They stay in business because of people like me. I actually bought my bike there. I did plenty of motorcycle research, but not enough dealer research. After the transaction was over, I felt kinda dirty & slimy. I always arrange my financing in advance, so at least I didn't have to play that game with them. It was the service dept that finally convinced me that they couldn't care less about the customer. I gave them way too many chances to do "the right thing" before writing them off permanently. --Jim --Poweride Victim > In-Reply-To: <3CE95179.9010207@XXXXXX> > > > >I would LOVE to devote a day or half a day to > >picketing Coleman's. They've screwed me or tried to > >screw me every time I've dealt with them. I simply > >don't deal with them anymore. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 19:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4KNmAh09143; Mon, 20 May 2002 19:48:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020520194913.015cd5e0@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:49:17 -0700 To: Tom Gimer , "Ledford, Calvin" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:47 PM 5/20/02 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >why does coleman's liability carrier have anything to do >with this? Coleman's CGI carrier would be involved because under their policy the carrier would have to provide a defense to calvin's action regaurdless of liability and regaurdless that the amount of this loss is probably below Coleman's liability deductible which is probably around $2.5K or $5K, as with most small shops. >the right to indemnity from its carrier is >coleman's problem, not calvin's. Not true. Coleman's carrier can & would be brought in during any action brought by Calvin, see above. >now, if there is a contract which limits coleman's >liability for such a loss, that is another matter. but, >imo, the insurance relationship means jack to mr. ledford. All shops have standard "we're not responsible" verbage on the work order that you sign when you drop off the bike. But that verbage is subject to the standard of care owed when the shop has full care, custody & control of the bike. That standard of care is higher than what, say, I owe a stanger I offer to help who is broken down on the side of the road, but lower that of a civil authority holding a vehicle for evidence. You are correct that the insurance relationship between Coleman and their carrier means jack, except for the small fact that Coleman's carrier has to provide a defense, which likely will cost more than Calvin's VF500. > >negligence isn't the cause of action i would pursue >here.... I agree 100%. I would make coleman's carrier believe that they were going to have to respond in small claims court, then see if they offer a settlement to make it go away. If not, spend a day in court & see what the judge finds after you present your well documented evidence. The bottom line is, that beyond what is refereed to as "nuisance value" the suit would have poor prospects, which I think we can all agree sucks for calvin. >right attorney could get creative and obtain a recovery for >you....but at a price, of course. :( Ya, your not going to see a personal injury atty take this on a contingency basis, not enough $ in it for them. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 20:21:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4L0Lru09812; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:21:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020521002150.88848.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:21:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! To: Stephen Harris , "Ledford, Calvin" Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020520194913.015cd5e0@his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Stephen Harris wrote: > At 02:47 PM 5/20/02 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >why does coleman's liability carrier have anything to do > >with this? > > Coleman's CGI carrier would be involved because under > their policy the carrier would have to provide a defense > to calvin's action regaurdless of liability and > regaurdless that the amount of this loss is probably > below Coleman's liability deductible which is probably > around $2.5K or $5K, as with most small shops. the policy obligates the insurer to provide a defense, but it does NOT make the insurer a party to this suit. i see NO valid defense for "losing" someone's motorcycle unless there is a contractual provision which limits liability or a statutory scheme which protects mechanics/servicestations. > >the right to indemnity from its carrier is > >coleman's problem, not calvin's. > > Not true. Coleman's carrier can & would be brought in > during any action brought by Calvin, see above. the carrier would be providing coleman's defense and indeminifying colemans only if the policy provides coverage for the loss. the insurer is not being "brought in"; and calvin's right to recover from coleman directly is NOT dependent upon any carrier obligation to indemnify. > >now, if there is a contract which limits coleman's > >liability for such a loss, that is another matter. but, > >imo, the insurance relationship means jack to mr. > ledford. > > All shops have standard "we're not responsible" verbage > on the work order that you sign when you drop off the > bike. But that verbage is subject to the standard of > care owed when the shop has full care, custody & control > of the bike. That standard of care is higher than what, > say, I owe a stanger I offer to help who is broken down > on the side of the road, but lower that of a civil > authority holding a vehicle for evidence. You are > correct that the insurance relationship between Coleman > and their carrier means jack, except for the small fact > that Coleman's carrier has to provide a defense, which > likely will cost more than Calvin's VF500. first, there has been no mention of a contract controlling this relationship. until i hear of it, i'm not assuming anything. you lost me at the very end. the fact that coleman's carrier has to provide the defense doesn't mean that the insurance policy or the value of calvin's vf somehow becomes relevant. it merely means that coleman's may have a better attorney (team) working for it. again, i know nothing about virginia law on this topic (and there just may be a statutory scheme in place that specifically addresses consumer rights (or lack thereof) in this context (another open issue)); but i do know that if someone DAMAGES your property, you have a remedy. who would be responsible in the event that coleman totaled a bike during a storage mishap? i say coleman's would be. you seem to be suggesting that if coleman LOSES ENTIRELY a bike that they can escape liability based upon some other standard. > >negligence isn't the cause of action i would pursue > >here.... > > I agree 100%. I would make coleman's carrier believe > that they were going to have to respond in small claims > court, then see if they offer a settlement to make it go > away. If not, spend a day in court & see what the judge > finds after you present your well documented evidence. good advice here. > The bottom line is, that beyond what is refereed to as > "nuisance value" the suit would have poor prospects, > which I think we can all agree sucks for calvin. i disagree with your conclusion. > >right attorney could get creative and obtain a recovery > for > >you....but at a price, of course. :( > > > Ya, your not going to see a personal injury atty take > this on a contingency basis, not enough $ in it for them. that's the truth. how many people (let alone lawyers) do you know that want to put in a shitload of hours for very little cash? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 21:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4L1Pfo10838; Mon, 20 May 2002 21:25:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:22:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c20066$03bd5880$af81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020521002150.88848.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Gimer asks that's the truth. how many people (let alone lawyers) do you know that want to put in a shitload of hours for very little cash? [Dave] I'd spend scads of cash to wreak what little legal havoc I could on a business (or person) that wronged me to the tune of an entire motorcycle. I'd take vacation to do it AND spend money to that end WHILE ON VACATION. I'd pay to enlist the help of others, while spending MY OWN money & time. I'd actually save vactaion for a year, so I could take it all at once, so as to have the maximum impact possible. But that's just me. I'm not a practitioner of forgive & forget. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 21:46:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4L1kGK11268; Mon, 20 May 2002 21:46:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020521014614.19347.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! To: Dave Yates Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000101c20066$03bd5880$af81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Gimer asks > > that's the truth. how many people (let alone lawyers) do > you know that want to put in a shitload of hours for very > little cash? > > [Dave] I'd spend scads of cash to wreak what little > legal havoc I could > on a business (or person) that wronged me to the tune of > an entire > motorcycle. I'd take vacation to do it AND spend money > to that end > WHILE ON VACATION. I'd pay to enlist the help of others, > while spending > MY OWN money & time. I'd actually save vactaion for a > year, so I could > take it all at once, so as to have the maximum impact > possible. > > But that's just me. I'm not a practitioner of forgive & > forget. ah, but you are forgetting that it is not MY motorcycle we're talking about (nor is it yours). it is calvin's. plus, the "practicing law without a license" issue dictates that as much as i'd like to help him, i can't. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 22:33:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4L2XpL12087; Mon, 20 May 2002 22:33:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001501c2006f$826ac380$b300a8c0@frbgva.adelphia.net> Reply-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "Ledford, Calvin" , , "Stephen Harris" References: <3.0.32.20020520173730.006862c4@his.com> Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:30:43 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Here are my two cents. Firstly, I believe this is a classic bailment case. However, without having verified facts pertaining to how, and if, the motorcycle was stolen from a secured area, it is difficult to render an opinion regarding Coleman' potential liability. You should ensure that the police perform a complete investigation. Secondly, the fact that Coleman's insurance carrier is responsible for picking up the cost of the defense, assuming that Coleman has coverage, does not mean that the carrier will offer to settle to avoid paying defense costs. In fact, many carriers use in house counsel, and therefore there is little concern about the cost of the defense. If you file in Small Claims court or General District Court there is a good chance the case will end up in Circuit Court by the defendant's use of the removal process or an appeal. I don't know of many lay persons (pro se) who are capable of handling a matter properly in Circuit Court. I certainly know of many qualified attorneys who would handle this case on an hourly basis. I estimate the fee charged would be around $125.00 per hour, and this matter would require 10 to 15 hours of time. Unfortunately, this cause of action does not permit an awarding of attorney's fees even if the plaintiff prevails. You have the option of taking a write off on your taxes for the loss. Depending on what the bike was worth, this may be your only logical choice. The lesson in this case is to carry full coverage if you are concerned about being compensated if your bike happens to be stolen (no matter what the circumstances are). Remember that Coleman is not an insurer of your bike. They simply have to meet the standard of care as it pertains to the storage of your vehicle. The Plaintiff has the burden of proving that Coleman violated the standard of care. That can be an expensive and costly proposition. I do not know of any attorneys that would take this case on a contingency basis. Most lawyers limit contingency fee cases to personal injury causes of actions or debt collection matter. You may also want to consider spending the money to have a lawyer perform some limited research, as well as prepare a demand letter to Coleman. If you have enough facts to support a cause of action, this approach may get you an offer. Good luck. Roy D. Turner, Esq. www.cfolaw.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Harris" To: "Ledford, Calvin" ; Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! > At 01:55 PM 5/20/02 -0400, Ledford, Calvin wrote: > > > >that I'm on my own! Let me repeat that - they claim that since it was > >stolen from their "secure" storage area that their insurance is not liable > >(due care), and that they aren't either. > > First of all, that really sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you. Also, I'm suprise one of the insurance bashing attorney's on this list haven't responded to your question with some pro bono advise. I may be able to lend you some insight. From the insurance side I can tell you that if what you have said is true that roughly you can expect no voluntary payment from their liability carrier. The reason is that while the shop has a greater duty owed while they have care custody and control of your bike, from what you describe they exorcised a greater duty as the courts have held. The devil is, of course, in the details. > > > >They stated that I could feel free to go ahead and sue them - that several > >cases have been tried and in all instances that bike owner lost as the court > >ruled they should have had comprehensive on the bike. Is this true? > > Yes and no. If the matter goes to the mat, meaning both parties contest it to the furtherest possible extent, you'll likely get zero. The good news for you is that the people paying for the shops defense (read expensive lawyers bills) will be motivated to conceed something to avoid the costs of going to trial. I can tell you candidly that just the cost of answering a suit is more than the $1200 or so a VF500 is worth. I seem to recall that you can file in small claims court for less than $50 and a sheriff will serve notice to the shop's owner. In small claims court you don't need a attorney, in fact I seem to recall that its only pro se. Of couse having a attorney is a good idea if you can afford it. I would bet you would at least get an offer from the shops insurance company to settle to avoid the greater costs of a court appearance. A pretty good return for $50 and the threat of a court appearance. Please note that this motivation is not very high, insurance comp! > anies have good working relationships with their attorneys, and this case is pretty much a slam dunk. > > > >If anyone has advice please respond to me off list at cledford@XXXXXX - I'm > >a digest member and the digest format is hard to browse for specific posts. > > > If you have any more ?'s for it from the insurance side, don't hesitate to ask me. > > > Stephen Harris > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 20 23:45:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4L3jYO13286; Mon, 20 May 2002 23:45:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Ledford, Calvin" To: "'Roy D. Turner, Esq.'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Stephen Harris Subject: RE: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:46:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Roy, Thank you very much for the detailed response it really helps to at least know where I stand. I really appreciate the time you took to respond. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Roy D. Turner, Esq. [mailto:rdtesq@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:31 PM To: Ledford, Calvin; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! Here are my two cents. Firstly, I believe this is a classic bailment case. However, without having verified facts pertaining to how, and if, the motorcycle was stolen from a secured area, it is difficult to render an opinion regarding Coleman' potential liability. You should ensure that the police perform a complete investigation. Secondly, the fact that Coleman's insurance carrier is responsible for picking up the cost of the defense, assuming that Coleman has coverage, does not mean that the carrier will offer to settle to avoid paying defense costs. In fact, many carriers use in house counsel, and therefore there is little concern about the cost of the defense. If you file in Small Claims court or General District Court there is a good chance the case will end up in Circuit Court by the defendant's use of the removal process or an appeal. I don't know of many lay persons (pro se) who are capable of handling a matter properly in Circuit Court. I certainly know of many qualified attorneys who would handle this case on an hourly basis. I estimate the fee charged would be around $125.00 per hour, and this matter would require 10 to 15 hours of time. Unfortunately, this cause of action does not permit an awarding of attorney's fees even if the plaintiff prevails. You have the option of taking a write off on your taxes for the loss. Depending on what the bike was worth, this may be your only logical choice. The lesson in this case is to carry full coverage if you are concerned about being compensated if your bike happens to be stolen (no matter what the circumstances are). Remember that Coleman is not an insurer of your bike. They simply have to meet the standard of care as it pertains to the storage of your vehicle. The Plaintiff has the burden of proving that Coleman violated the standard of care. That can be an expensive and costly proposition. I do not know of any attorneys that would take this case on a contingency basis. Most lawyers limit contingency fee cases to personal injury causes of actions or debt collection matter. You may also want to consider spending the money to have a lawyer perform some limited research, as well as prepare a demand letter to Coleman. If you have enough facts to support a cause of action, this approach may get you an offer. Good luck. Roy D. Turner, Esq. www.cfolaw.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Harris" To: "Ledford, Calvin" ; Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Any lawyers on the List?!!? Coleman screws up again! > At 01:55 PM 5/20/02 -0400, Ledford, Calvin wrote: > > > >that I'm on my own! Let me repeat that - they claim that since it was > >stolen from their "secure" storage area that their insurance is not liable > >(due care), and that they aren't either. > > First of all, that really sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you. Also, I'm suprise one of the insurance bashing attorney's on this list haven't responded to your question with some pro bono advise. I may be able to lend you some insight. From the insurance side I can tell you that if what you have said is true that roughly you can expect no voluntary payment from their liability carrier. The reason is that while the shop has a greater duty owed while they have care custody and control of your bike, from what you describe they exorcised a greater duty as the courts have held. The devil is, of course, in the details. > > > >They stated that I could feel free to go ahead and sue them - that several > >cases have been tried and in all instances that bike owner lost as the court > >ruled they should have had comprehensive on the bike. Is this true? > > Yes and no. If the matter goes to the mat, meaning both parties contest it to the furtherest possible extent, you'll likely get zero. The good news for you is that the people paying for the shops defense (read expensive lawyers bills) will be motivated to conceed something to avoid the costs of going to trial. I can tell you candidly that just the cost of answering a suit is more than the $1200 or so a VF500 is worth. I seem to recall that you can file in small claims court for less than $50 and a sheriff will serve notice to the shop's owner. In small claims court you don't need a attorney, in fact I seem to recall that its only pro se. Of couse having a attorney is a good idea if you can afford it. I would bet you would at least get an offer from the shops insurance company to settle to avoid the greater costs of a court appearance. A pretty good return for $50 and the threat of a court appearance. Please note that this motivation is not very high, insurance comp! > anies have good working relationships with their attorneys, and this case is pretty much a slam dunk. > > > >If anyone has advice please respond to me off list at cledford@XXXXXX - I'm > >a digest member and the digest format is hard to browse for specific posts. > > > If you have any more ?'s for it from the insurance side, don't hesitate to ask me. > > > Stephen Harris > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 21 01:31:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4L5VkO14988; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:31:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: LakeSueE@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Starter troubles Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 01:40:25 -0400 Message-ID: <8dnjeukdd7dhda5kgh40fpnoopc0a2g92d@4ax.com> References: <67FFD22C.648DE1DD.007800B3@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <67FFD22C.648DE1DD.007800B3@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4L5Vjl14976 If it's loose, tighten it, then re-evaluate. I would guess looseness is your sole problem. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 21 01:44:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4L5igB15261; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:44:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: Aki Damme Cc: "LAURA GRANATO" , chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 01:53:17 -0400 Message-ID: <01ojeu4cf36tr7amc5ubej09fpj4v9ph7k@4ax.com> References: <20020520125422.18138.h012.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.critic alpath.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020520155910.02538530@localhost> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520155910.02538530@localhost> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4L5ibl15249 |> |>I'm surprised they haven't been run out of business already. Or shot up or bombed. An anti colement webpage should be made up. Let coleman sue the owner. If a judge ever orders a person to take it down.. "sell" the domain name to another lister who puts it back up. I believe i recall something about an anti walmart or anti K-mart or was it egg head software(?) website.. or anti taco bell? You put a whole bunch of people's horror stories on the website. If it's all fact, they have no merit to any lawsuits they may file. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 21 01:49:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4L5nS715457; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:49:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: "Razz Man" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Anti-Coleman Rally Idea (was Re: Any lawyers) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 01:58:08 -0400 Message-ID: <6aojeu4132lugmo0vb0b1cikh4r79fphdc@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4L5nRl15445 What would happen if a group of young guys went to coleman... and a fight broke out.. and in the scuffle a whole bunch of bikes got knocked over and everyone left? Does powerscrew have video cameras? If the bike was so secured, how come they didn't give the owner the keys? maybe because the keys weren't secured and therefor they are negligent in that manner. I wouldn't be surprised if some employee took it for a test ride, dumped it, then they made the bike dissappear so t hey could claim theft and claim not liable. Shady bastards. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 21 02:46:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g4L6k9k16707; Tue, 21 May 2002 02:46:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny To: Subject: Re: RE: was coleman now weasel story thread too Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 02:54:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020521002150.88848.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> <000101c20066$03bd5880$af81c0cf@nih.gov> In-Reply-To: <000101c20066$03bd5880$af81c0cf@nih.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g4L6k7l16690 One time a car dealer (lustine nissan in landover hills/lanham/new carrolton md) cashed my $500 personal check when they were agreed to return it to me. they refused to give back my money. Supposedly for a few nights in a row a crack addict would bust a windshield or two or three, and the next morning i'd go in and say "can I have my money now?' they'd say no. I'd say ok, and walk out. Funny how each night the number of windshields grew by a factor of one. I would have thought they would recognize a co-relation. After the 3rd day, I gave the general manager (who had been giving me the run around) a PC disk with a letter on it stating that he is the general manager and he should be setting an example, and i'm giving him the chance to do the right thing, and I expect a refund by friday 5 p.m. I also stated I would hold him personally responsible and that he WILL be the example for his employes. I also stated that I come from a neighborhood where $500 gets people severely hurt. Also stated all the facts, where they made the agreenment to give back my check, then sent someone directly to my bank to cash my check instead. I figured I made no threats, and there is no handwriting or type sample on a pc disk and any employee could have al