From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 08:56:46 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Night!!!!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:49:03 -0400 It's not any more lax during the evening. I went to carpool one time for about fifteen minutes to meet someone, and when I got back to where I left the car, it had been towed. IMPORTANT: some of the lots in the area are not clearly marked as permit-only. Be careful. Of course, if you ride a bike you should be parking at Carpool anyway. :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > bike/car parked there that doesn't belong there. I know that during the > day > time the cars can be gone before you even finish a sandwich. Maybe more > lax in > the evening, but with plenty of other free parking, don't take a chance. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 09:19:58 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: not really pertaining to the list. Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:17:29 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 My bike is in the shop, and my car's brakes went south yesteray afternoon for no apparent reason. SO, I have 1 (maybe 2) tickets to WWF Monday Night Raw available for mucho cheap. Does anyone want 1 (or 2) of them? And stuff... Kirt From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 09:38:39 2000 From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cager question Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:38:27 -0400 Don't chastise me but I need to find a place to have a potential used car checked out. It's a '90 Integra with a grip of miles, I just want to make sure that the mechanic is competent, thorough, and trustworthy. Any ideas? Seth From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 11:21:00 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'David Forbes'" , "'Brian Walker'" Subject: Ride, Squids and Accidents (not mine) on 211 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:16:11 -0400 I joined Danny Thompson and his friend Francis for a ride to 211 on Sunday. Francis is a good rider but oh so squidly (in a good way). Tricked out F4 with no mirrors or turn signals. He could ride though. This being the first real ride for me since my accident at 211 last September I was nervous and it showed to Danny in my stiffness. We hit backroads from Warrenton to 211. As I climbed the mountain my anxiety level increased. I took the 'scene of the crime' slowly. The turn was a decreasing radius and quite tight, perhaps one of the more difficult on 211. So that made me feel a 'bit' better. Having reached the other side, we stopped for a coke at the little store there. After about 10 minutes we were joined by some more riders and 5 minutes later a State Trooper. He was one of the nicer Troopers I have met. He explained that they were getting complaints of racing from motorists, and that he realized that most motorcyclists were not really racing, but that it seemed that way (leaning over, sound of the pipes, etc) to the drivers. He was very cool and asked us to spread the word among the community to keep it mellow on 211 or his boss would instruct them to place a patrol car each end of the mountain and one in the middle. After warning us that no moto can out run a radio he left. On the way back, the reason for his concern became apparent. Two turns before my crash site, a guy wadded his brand new (temp tags) R6 into the guardrail. It was a not too bad right hander but he obviously hit the brakes, stood it up, and crashed right into the guardrail. The bike broke the thick post holding the guard rail right out of the ground. The rider (surprise) was wearing leathers and was hurt but not too badly (he did go the hospital I think). The R6 was hurt much worse, probably a total. I am guessing here, but I think he was a relatively inexperienced rider out on a fast bike with fast friends. I actually blame them for not taking it easier with a new rider/new bike. They were in jeans and t shirts, by the way. Anyway, except for that incident, we had a blast and I am beginning to regain some confidence. California Superbike will help alot too. Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 11:52:35 2000 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: CBR Service manuals 4 sale/trade Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:48:11 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Any Hurricane owners out there? I have two Honda service manuals for sale/trade if anyone is interested. The first one is for the 1987 CBR600F Hurricane, the second one covers the years from 1987-1990 for the same model. Bike is history and Spring Cleaning means they have to go. If anyone has a spare manual for the 1996 year CBR600F3, I'm interested in getting one of those in case someone like me has traded up and has an extra manual for a bike they no longer own lying around. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 13:23:36 2000 From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:23:12 EDT Subject: Re: FastTrax To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anyone on the list have experience with the FastTrax Advanced Street Riders School? They run it at Nelson Ledges and Mid-Ohio, and I'm contemplating dragging the FJ1200 along when I have to go up there for business so I can check out the school while I'm up there. If any have comments or observations to offer I thank you for them in advnace; please reply by e-mail as well, I miss stuff in the digests a lot. HCM From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 13:40:17 2000 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:41:04 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: "Ryan S. McClune" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: good lawyer? Ryan, Try Tom McGrath (800) 321-8968. He is an avid motorcyclist and accident lawyer specializing in motorcycle accident cases. Regards, Chuck "Ryan S. McClune" wrote: > > Do you know a good lawyer that has experience with > cycle accidents in the state of VA? > > Thanks for your time. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 13:45:27 2000 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:46:05 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Ride, Squids and Accidents (not mine) on 211 Mark, Glad to hear you went back to where it happened and rode through it safe, sane, and unscathed. Wish I could've been with you guys! But I was busy spending quality time with my in-laws and playing golf! %^) Sorry to hear about the guy on the R6. Cheers, Chuck Mark Kitchell wrote : > > I joined Danny Thompson and his friend Francis for a ride to 211 on Sunday. > Francis is a good rider but oh so squidly (in a good way). Tricked out F4 > with no mirrors or turn signals. He could ride though. > > This being the first real ride for me since my accident at 211 last > September I was nervous and it showed to Danny in my stiffness. We hit > backroads from Warrenton to 211. As I climbed the mountain my anxiety level > increased. I took the 'scene of the crime' slowly. The turn was a > decreasing radius and quite tight, perhaps one of the more difficult on 211. > So that made me feel a 'bit' better. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 14:26:05 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'VFR List'" , "'LD Rider'" Subject: Bike Night is Next Sunday Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:21:21 -0400 Another reminder...this is gonna be big dc-cycles.org presents... BIKE NIGHT Carpool Restaurant and Bar 4000 Fairfax Drive Arlington, VA Sunday, May 7, 2000 6pm to 9pm Join DC area motorcyclists at Carpool (http://www.gocarpool.com) in Arlington, Virginia for the first BIKE NIGHT of the summer. ALL motorcyclists (cruisers, sportbikes, touring bikes, dirt bikes) are welcome to join in the fun and camaraderie. BIKE NIGHT will feature: * Motorcycle videos * Door prizes courtesy of area motorcycle shops and other businesses * Lots of good food and drink * Pool and darts * Reserved motorcycle parking at Carpool (first come-first served basis) If you ride a motorcycle (and even you don't), this is where you'll want to be on May 7th. For more information, please contact: Mark Kitchell (markkitchell@XXXXXX or 703-299-9727) Chuck Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX or 703-522-6581) From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 15:18:28 2000 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:13 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "Vfrlist@XXXXXX" Subject: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? My bike for the unfamiliar... '86 VFR750 w/CBR F2 conversion running gear. 17" wheels front and back. I need to new tires as the D207's are beginning to give up the ghost. First... what should I put on there? I'm using a 160/60ZR17 out back and a 120/60ZR17 front... the tires sizes will stay the same. I like the D207s... always felt great and never slid (maybe I wasn't riding it hard enough). I'm tempted to put another set back on the bike since they worked so well for me over the past two years (and despite the soft compound I put over 12k miles on them). How about another brand? Since I haven't been out looking for tires in a couple of years I have no clue as to what is the best right now. I'm not too worried about the cost as you get what you pay for, however, the D207s are coming in at pretty good prices. I'm listening... Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 15:46:31 2000 From: bergman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night is Next Sunday Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:46:28 -0400 In your message dated: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:21:21 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => Another reminder...this is gonna be big => => dc-cycles.org presents... => => BIKE NIGHT => Carpool Restaurant and Bar Does anyone else see something intrinsically _wrong_ with having "Bike Night" at a place called "Carpool"? It's kind of like having the May Day rally at the Joseph McArthy Social Hall, or hosting the Vegetarian Club meeting at the local Outback Steakhouse. :) Mark ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 15:55:33 2000 X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:49:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? www.metzeler.com MeZ3 on the front, MeZ4 on the rear. Good control & feel, good mileage. MeZ3 on the rear you lose a bit of mileage but gain some control & feel. MNSHO. --wes (currently running MeZ3's front & back on the '99 Bandit 1200) >How about another brand? Since I haven't been out looking for tires in a >couple >of years I have no clue as to what is the best right now. I'm not too worried >about the cost as you get what you pay for, however, the D207s are coming >in at >pretty good prices. > >I'm listening... > >Tom From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 15:59:31 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'bergman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Night is Next Sunday Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:54:53 -0400 Yeah, well Motorcycle House was booked up for that night..... > -----Original Message----- > From: bergman@XXXXXX [SMTP:bergman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:46 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Night is Next Sunday > > > > In your message dated: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:21:21 EDT, > your pithy ruminations on were: > => Another reminder...this is gonna be big > => > => dc-cycles.org presents... > => > => BIKE NIGHT > => Carpool Restaurant and Bar > > Does anyone else see something intrinsically _wrong_ with having "Bike > Night" > at a place called "Carpool"? It's kind of like having the May Day rally at > the > Joseph McArthy Social Hall, or hosting the Vegetarian Club meeting at the > local > Outback Steakhouse. :) > > Mark > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > -- > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 16:05:07 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:09:58 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm not 100% familiar with the geometry of your VFR with all the F2 stuff on it, but my F2 requires some significant effort at the bars to turn. I think the triangular profile of the D207s help it to turn in quicker. My ZX9 on the other hand seems to fall into the turns with the D207s, so I would go with some BT56SS if I keep it long enough to need tires. I have been getting good mileage out of the 207s (around 7K), so no complaints there. Really, if you're happy with the way the bike handles with the 207s, why change? They are the cheapest of the sportbike tires. If you feel like the bike falls into turns a little bit, try some others. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 16:15:58 2000 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:15:47 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: "wes 8-)#" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? "wes 8-)#" wrote: > > www.metzeler.com > > MeZ3 on the front, MeZ4 on the rear. Good control & feel, good > mileage. MeZ3 on the rear you lose a bit of mileage but gain some control > & feel. How much mileage? I'm still impressed by Tom's 12K out of a 207. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 16:31:18 2000 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:23 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]:Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? The F2 and my VFR share about the same geometry so I have exactly the same symptoms that you do... the D207's when they were new countered that problem quite nicely, however, I would like it to fall in a little quicker than it does especially at lower speeds (feels like trying to turn a truck at low speeds... quite quick at speeds above twenty or so). The D207 is probably the "pointiest" tire out there so I'll probably have to do more adjusting to get any better than it is now. Oh well... I'll probably stick with the D207's as they do what I need them to do pretty well. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re:Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? Author: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX (Jay St. Peter) Date: 05/01/2000 7:09 PM I'm not 100% familiar with the geometry of your VFR with all the F2 stuff on it, but my F2 requires some significant effort at the bars to turn. I think the triangular profile of the D207s help it to turn in quicker. My ZX9 on the other hand seems to fall into the turns with the D207s, so I would go with some BT56SS if I keep it long enough to need tires. I have been getting good mileage out of the 207s (around 7K), so no complaints there. Really, if you're happy with the way the bike handles with the 207s, why change? They are the cheapest of the sportbike tires. If you feel like the bike falls into turns a little bit, try some others. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 17:10:21 2000 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:06 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "wes@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions Yep... 12k miles. Bought'em when the VFR had 27k and some change on it and it has just crossed the 40k mile mark. The tires still have tread (the rear would probably NOT pass inspection) but the front is cupping and the rear is getting a nice and squared off look to it. I just ran them at the Dunlop recommended pressure of 42 PSI front and rear (oh gee... let's start up that thread again). :-) Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? Author: Horkster@XXXXXX (Dale Horstman) Date: 05/01/2000 7:15 PM "wes 8-)#" wrote: > > www.metzeler.com > > MeZ3 on the front, MeZ4 on the rear. Good control & feel, good > mileage. MeZ3 on the rear you lose a bit of mileage but gain some control > & feel. How much mileage? I'm still impressed by Tom's 12K out of a 207. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 17:23:36 2000 X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:16:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? I've got 2200 on my Z3's right now. 12K is pretty impressive for a sport tire. I've put 3's and 4's on other bikes and I'd say the 4's last about 3000 miles longer to about 10K on the rear. I've had 3's that made it to 10K -- but only on the front. For me, the response and grip of the tire make replacing them a little more often worth it. --wes > mileage. MeZ3 on the rear you lose a bit of mileage but gain some control > > & feel. > >How much mileage? I'm still impressed by Tom's 12K out of >a 207. > >Dale From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 17:39:24 2000 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:37 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Tom Zell" , "Horkster@XXXXXX" , "wes@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[3]: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions An update... Ordered three Dunlop D207's (Jeannette ran over a nasty screw with hers so I'm replacing that one as well) from MotorcycleTires.com. Grand total was $361 delivered. Not bad for three sport tires, huh? Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 18:36:47 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: GPS' and putes Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:31:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 What about the Toshiba 'Tough-book' line? They're supposed to be a little more forgiving to vibration and drops as well as somewhat wx-proof. Might be a little pricey though. ------------------------------------------------------ Dale Horstman wrote: Alas, the weak link in all this is the laptop itself. Rugged, fast, small, and cheap don't necessarily co-exist very well yet. ---------------------------------------------------- Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 148,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 22:13:13 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:11:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Ummm... Correct me if I'm wrong but, if you get Dennis Kirk to match Chaparral's prices in the latest magazine you could get one 120/60-17 and two 160/60-17 D207s shipped for $310.41. I've been ordering tires for myself and several friends like this for over two years with no problems. Lots of tires. My $.02 Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Zell" > An update... > > Ordered three Dunlop D207's (Jeannette ran over a nasty screw with hers so I'm > replacing that one as well) from MotorcycleTires.com. Grand total was $361 > delivered. Not bad for three sport tires, huh? > > Tom > '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 1 22:58:39 2000 From: "Gary Foreman, IDS" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Anyone here riding a Blue/White TLR Sunday in Front Royal? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:58:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I meet someone riding a TL1000R Sunday in Bentonville, VA and we rode to Luray and then across 211. Lost you guys before the mountain, just wanted to make sure everyone was okay. Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com _ .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 00:36:19 2000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.85.7] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]:Need tires for the VFR... Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 00:35:43 EDT From: "Tom Zell" The F2 and my VFR share about the same geometry so I have exactly the same symptoms that you do... the D207's when they were new countered that problem quite nicely, however, I would like it to fall in a little quicker than it does especially at lower speeds (feels like trying to turn a truck at low speeds... quite quick at speeds above twenty or so). The D207 is probably the "pointiest" tire out there so I'll probably have to do more adjusting to get any better than it is now. Oh well... I'll probably stick with the D207's as they do what I need them to do pretty well. ========== Another thing you may want to do Tom, is lower the front end about 10-15mm. Some people on the VFR list did this and I followed suit. Kinda gives it "power steering". I'm pretty satisfied with my 207s btw, and will use them again. JK 95 VFR D-mode ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 00:36:36 2000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:22:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: FS: 'Prillia RS250 street bike.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dawn Greer??? She get married again or something?? hehehe I haven't ridden Dawn's, but I have ridden Jon Koh's RS250 which is more or less identical to hers but without the aftermarket pipes... I can absolutely say without a doubt it's one of the funnest bikes I have ever ridden! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 00:49:54 2000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:47:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: FAstrax To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Which date are you planning on doing Fastrax?? I'll be at a few of their racing events this summer... would be happy to come up early to help out for the friday class... THe instructors are pretty good, and you'll get a lot for your money... The only down side of that school is the track itself. It's pretty much the bumpiest, roughest track in the country... or so it seems. Honestly, I have felt more beat up after a weekend of racing there than I do after CRASHING at summit point. But for a shool day you should be fine. Make sure you have fairly new rubber on your bike. The track surface there is VERY abusive on tires. Ground clearance is also going to be a problem on that FJ of yours. It's a VERY easy track to get a knee on the ground, especially turn 12. Start learning how to hang off the bike some so you can save your pipes fom dragging too much :) It's a front tire track.... Normal pressures on a warm day (>75 degrees) are 32psi front and 30 psi rear... that was for Dunlop 207GP's... street based tires might require slightly higher to prevent overheating. Let me know if you make up your mind to do it... I am pretty familiar with the track and would be happy to chat with you about it. Collin ps: I owe a several folks some email replies... I am slowly catching back up...sorry for the delays (sean, ryan, others...) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 07:15:25 2000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 04:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: GPS, more accurate now? To: DC-Cycles , LDRiders Got this from today's Washington Post: President Clinton halted the military's longtime practice of jamming the signals of civilian global positioning devices that it feared could be used by enemies to target missiles. The devices are now widely used to help steer cars, fly planes, and find missing skiers and hikers. New technology makes it possible to selectively block the signals to regions of the world where the United States perceives a threat, the White House said. The difference in accuracy means that the position of a car can be determined within the dimensions of a tennis court rather than a football field. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 07:50:49 2000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 04:50:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[3]: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions To: Tom Zell , "Horkster@XXXXXX" , "wes@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" As Bruce pointed out you could have gotten a better deal then what you paid. I also recently just put on the BT-56SS (even as much as I hate Bridgestone) and so far they seem to be excellent tires and getting better reviews then the now outdated 207's. And contrary to Jay's beliefs the 207's are NOT the lowest priced tires out there. I had a set of BT-56SS shipped to me a few months ago for right around $180.00 my .02 Glenn --- Tom Zell wrote: > An update... > > Ordered three Dunlop D207's (Jeannette ran over a > nasty screw with hers so I'm > replacing that one as well) from > MotorcycleTires.com. Grand total was $361 > delivered. Not bad for three sport tires, huh? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 08:44:41 2000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 05:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride, Squids and Accidents (not mine) on 211 To: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'David Forbes'" , "'Brian Walker'" --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I joined Danny Thompson and his friend Francis for a > ride to 211 on Sunday. > I am guessing here, but I think he was a relatively > inexperienced rider out > on a fast bike with fast friends. I actually blame > them for not taking it > easier with a new rider/new bike. You're guessing what happened, yet still placing blame? Please. This is a dangerous sport, you ride at your own risk, and there is nobody to blame for overcooking a turn except the guy who did it. A few warnings at the beginning of any ride is all that is needed--no blaming of others. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 09:03:31 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Tom Gimer'" Subject: RE: Ride, Squids and Accidents (not mine) on 211 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:02:21 -0700 Tom, I have to agree with you. As someone who "overcooked" a turn while following some faster riders, I never once thought to blame them. I made the mistake - I paid the price. Riders in a group should know that they're not going to be left behind the rest of the group. In other words, riders will wait at turns, etc. to regroup. That alone will help cut down on people riding beyond their abilities, trying to keep up. Other than that, each rider needs to remember (and maybe be reminded) to: Ride your own ride! Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:45 AM To: Mark Kitchell; 'DC Cycles' Cc: 'David Forbes'; 'Brian Walker' Subject: Re: Ride, Squids and Accidents (not mine) on 211 --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I joined Danny Thompson and his friend Francis for a > ride to 211 on Sunday. > I am guessing here, but I think he was a relatively > inexperienced rider out > on a fast bike with fast friends. I actually blame > them for not taking it > easier with a new rider/new bike. You're guessing what happened, yet still placing blame? Please. This is a dangerous sport, you ride at your own risk, and there is nobody to blame for overcooking a turn except the guy who did it. A few warnings at the beginning of any ride is all that is needed--no blaming of others. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 14:27:57 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'genna@XXXXXX'" Subject: clutch Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:27:27 -0400 Genna Melamed, after calling us "DC CYCLE CLUB" (Aren't we a gang?) asked, "Does anyone know an easy and effective way to bleed teh clutch and/or test teh system for leaks?" So far you've received good advice. Two more helpful hints: 1) Get a "Mity-Vac" to pull brake fluid through the system initially (beats pumping the lever) or a long clean hose and use your diaphragm -- at your own risk. 2) If the clutch (or brakes) still feel spongy, with pressure on the lever, loosen the banjo bolt near the master cylinder. Often a bubble will hang in that void. Do cover all painted surfaces near by, as you'll get a good uncontrolled squirt of brake fluid - and hopefully a little tenacious air bubble. Carl in Bethesda (from the gummimint and heppin') From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 17:06:02 2000 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "DC-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: SA is dead! Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:05:43 -0700 GPS users rejoice! http://www.af.mil/news/May2000/n20000502_000668.html From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 19:34:10 2000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:35:18 -0400 Subject: MC parking in Bethesda From: David Cross To: "'DC Cycles'" The garage in which I park my motorcycle at work is going to be shut down for 3 months for repairs. Anyone know of free/cheap parking in the Bethesda area, as close to Cordell Ave as possible? Thanks. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 20:19:06 2000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Dale Horstman wrote: > I'm still impressed by Tom's 12K out of a 207. > > Dale Tom who? I must have missed something. How did anybody get 12k miles out of a 207? thing musta been run at like 50 psi Perhaps it was a 205? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 21:02:09 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Rally Announcement- the Mason Dixon 20-20 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:55:27 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 FYI....if it hasn't already been posted. Todd -----Original Message----- From: Rick Miller [mailto:cog3k@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:11 PM To: COG; LD List Cc: Rick (IndSys Shirk; Clyde Watson; Guy BYoungIINEAD-; Russell Flemming; Dave Patty Harbin; toddlwitte@XXXXXX; mriderleon@XXXXXX; Louis F. Caplan; Horstman Dale; bryan main; Todd Peer Subject: Rally Announcement- the Mason Dixon 20-20 Fellow riders, By now you are aware the Capitol 1000 for this year has been cancelled- bummer. Worry Not! As most Cap1000 participants have already made the arrangements for lodging, etc, some folks at the DC Cycles List and local Balt-Wash COG members are offering you the opportunity to still enjoy the "spirit" of the Cap1000. Our rally can in no way replace the Cap1000; it's merely a substitute for the current year's hiatus. Here is the basic info: What: The Mason Dixon 20-20 Rally. A group Saddlesore 1000 - all riders must use the same route leaving at nearly the same time. The tentative route is approximately 1025 miles, including some great motorcycling roads, as well as slab. Why: This rally is to offer a "real challenge" for the 2000 Gerlachfest's attempt later this year. The current mark is 19 riders. Gerlachfest is shooting for 40 finishers. Let's show them "how it's done downtown" and make them earn it! When: June 9-11 (Same dates as the Cap1000) Tech: Odometer checks only- ride safe and smart. IBA Saddlesore Rules will enforced for documentation and fuel stops. Where: Hagerstown, MD (same motels: Econolodge/ State Line Inn (301)791-3560 and restaurant- the Blacksteer Steakhouse next door). How Much: The cost is $50 and includes rally package, your IBA Saddlesore paperwork, prizes, and the Sunday Banquet, all Rally proceeds go to the Fran Crane Memorial Fund. This rally is open to any and all riders; long distance newbies are encouraged to get in the mix- it'll be an "easy" way to get your IBA certificate (if there is such a thing as an "easy way"). We are trying to coordinate a common dinner stop along the route. Entries close on June 2; don't delay - be part of the Mason Dixon 20-20! Further MD 20-20 Rally details can be found on the MD 20-20 web page: http://MD-20-20.tripod.com if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact the rally coordinators: mailtto:MD2020info@XXXXXX be there or be a rhomboid, the MD 20-20 Rally coordinators ===== "The night's busted open and these two lanes can take us an-ny-where." the Boss Join the Mason Dixon 2020, a group Saddlesore Challenge- June 9-11. http://MD-20-20.tripod.com "Benny" '90 ZG; "COG 3k"; Balmer, Murland. www.bbdcon.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 2 22:39:58 2000 From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:33:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Here we go again... I got 12k miles out of them with the pressure set at 42 PSI as recommended by Dunlop. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > > I'm still impressed by Tom's 12K out of a 207. > > > > Dale > > Tom who? I must have missed something. How did > anybody get 12k miles out of a 207? thing musta been > run at like 50 psi > > Perhaps it was a 205? > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 00:25:07 2000 From: "mobacc" To: Subject: New Kriss modulator Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:19:27 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Just installed a Kriss headlight modulator, it having been recommended over time by a number of folk. If anybody is interested in the task writeup I did for the Vulcan list, I'll be happy to send. Email me offlist. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 02:55:24 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: shipping a bike to wayne indiana Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:54:06 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e436taA17888 anyone know how much it would cost, and how to go about, shipping a bike to wayne indiana? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 03:05:21 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: 'Prillia RS250 street bike.. Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:07:33 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4375OA18105 |>can absolutely say without a doubt it's one of the funnest bikes I have |>ever ridden! what kind of perfomance does that bike get? 0-60, top end? I have heard someone say it will make half the 600's out there look bad. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 09:29:40 2000 From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Subject: RE: shipping a bike to wayne indiana Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:28:32 -0400 The AMA supposedly offers a service if you are a member. I believe it is between $400-500 door to door. > ---------- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX[SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 5:54 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: shipping a bike to wayne indiana > > anyone know how much it would cost, > and how to go about, shipping a bike to wayne indiana? > > Daniel > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 10:02:19 2000 From: bergman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: breakfast in Staunton Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:00:34 -0400 I'm planning on heading to Staunton one day this weekend for the terrific cinnamon buns served at the Rowe Family Restaurant. Does anyone have any suggestions for tasty roads along the way--leaving from Manassas? Others are welcome, I'll let you know which day. ------ Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 10:51:35 2000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:51:21 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shipping a bike to wayne indiana daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > anyone know how much it would cost, > and how to go about, shipping a bike to wayne indiana? > > Daniel Ship? It's only about 500 miles. Why not ride it? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 11:10:20 2000 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: 207s...was Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... opinions? To: Thomas_Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a hard time believing that unless you ran 'em 'til the cords were showing. My hat is off to you though if that's true. --- Thomas_Zell wrote: > Here we go again... > > I got 12k miles out of them with the pressure set at > 42 PSI as recommended > by Dunlop. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 11:12:42 2000 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:12:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New Kriss modulator To: mobacc , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Don't be too surprised if some DC cager tries to run you off the road for putting that anoying strobe light in their rear view mirror. Just being honest here. --- mobacc wrote: > Just installed a Kriss headlight modulator, it > having been recommended over > time by a number of folk. > If anybody is interested in the task writeup I did > for the Vulcan list, I'll > be happy to send. Email me offlist. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 11:22:14 2000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:19 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:207s...was Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion. Thanks Tom... it's true... not showing cords yet but well under what is legal for inspection or safe wet road travel (on the rear). Come and look for yourself! (I'll be hanging it in the back yard for the pups to chew on). Later, Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: 207s...was Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... Author: t_gimer@XXXXXX (Tom Gimer) Date: 05/03/2000 11:09 AM I have a hard time believing that unless you ran 'em 'til the cords were showing. My hat is off to you though if that's true. --- Thomas_Zell wrote: > Here we go again... > > I got 12k miles out of them with the pressure set at > 42 PSI as recommended > by Dunlop. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 11:27:00 2000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:26:46 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: FW: Rally Announcement- the Mason Dixon 20-20 Todd Peer wrote: > > FYI....if it hasn't already been posted. > > Join the Mason Dixon 2020, a group Saddlesore Challenge- June 9-11. > http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > This is gonna be cool! Anyone considering 1000 mile day and want to take part in a World Record Attempt? I am SO there!!! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 11:39:24 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:39:01 -0400 To: "Tom Zell" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re:207s...was Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion. Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" It's from all that "tough commuting" type of riding we do. LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 11:19 AM 5/3/00 -0400, Tom Zell wrote: >Thanks Tom... it's true... not showing cords yet but well under what is legal >for inspection or safe wet road travel (on the rear). Come and look for >yourself! (I'll be hanging it in the back yard for the pups to chew on). > >Later, >Tom >'86 VFR750 > > >____________________Reply Separator____________________ >Subject: 207s...was Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion... >Author: t_gimer@XXXXXX (Tom Gimer) >Date: 05/03/2000 11:09 AM > >I have a hard time believing that unless you ran 'em >'til the cords were showing. My hat is off to you >though if that's true. > > >--- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 12:06:08 2000 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re:207s...was Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversion. To: Jeannette Zell , Tom Zell Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" You know, I was thinking about that....that's why it's so hard to believe--->that tire should be so DONE down the middle of the rear after 8k miles max. I could see a 207 front lasting 12k commuter miles. Never figured a rear could. --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > It's from all that "tough commuting" type of riding > we do. LOL > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 11:19 AM 5/3/00 -0400, Tom Zell wrote: > >Thanks Tom... it's true... not showing cords yet > >but well under what is legal > >for inspection or safe wet road travel (on the > >rear). Come and look for > >yourself! (I'll be hanging it in the back yard for > >the pups to chew on). > > > >Later, > >Tom > >'86 VFR750 > > > > > >________________ReplySeparator________________ > > > >I have a hard time believing that unless you ran > >'em 'til the cords were showing. My hat is off to > >you though if that's true. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 13:00:25 2000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:57 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Tom Gimer" , "jzell@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]:207s...was Re: Need tires for the VFR with F2 conversi Jeannette's is the commuter bike... mine was ridden in "sport" mode more often than not. Our VA Beach trip is what put the nail in the coffin for my rear though... lots of slab going to and from our B&B on the Eastern Shore. All in all though it lasted that long... I swear it! :-) Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 14:26:20 2000 X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 14:16:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: New Kriss modulator At 08:12 AM 5/3/00 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >Don't be too surprised if some DC cager tries to run >you off the road for putting that anoying strobe light >in their rear view mirror. Just being honest here. > > When running a headlight modulator, I *always* (at least when I don't forget), switch it off or switch to low beam when I'm close behind someone in a cage. But when I switched from a bike with a modulator to one without, I couldn't believe how much more often I got cut off, had people make left turns across my path, etc. I'll take the risk of offending a few people vs. not being seen. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 15:52:55 2000 From: "Nelson Fernandez" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Non-Moto / Feeling young today? I can fix that. Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:46:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Just in case you were feeling young today, this will certainly change things. Each year the staff at Beloit College in Wisconsin puts together a list to try to give the faculty a sense of the mindset of that year's incoming freshmen. Here is this year's list: The people who are starting college this fall across the nation were born in 1982. They have no meaningful recollection of the Reagan Era and probably did not know he had ever been shot. They were prepubescent when the Persian Gulf War was waged. Black Monday 1987 is as significant to them as the Great Depression. There has been only one Pope. They were 11 when the Soviet Union broke apart and do not remember the Cold War. They have never feared a nuclear war. They are too young to remember the space shuttle blowing up. Tianamen Square means nothing to them. Their lifetime has always included AIDS. Bottle caps have always been screw off and plastic. Atari predates them, as do vinyl albums. The expression, you sound like a broken record means nothing to them. They have never owned a record player. They have likely never played Pac-Man and have never heard of Ping-Pong. They may have never heard of an 8- track. The Compact Disc was introduced when they were 1 year old. As far as they know, stamps have always cost about 33 cents. They have always had an answering machine. Most have never seen a TV set with only 13 channels, nor have they seen a black-and-white TV. They have always had cable. There has always been VCRs, but they have no idea what BETA is. They cannot fathom not having a remote control. They were born the year that Walkmen were introduced by Sony. Roller-skating has always meant in-line for them. Jay Leno has always been on the Tonight Show. They have no idea when or why Jordache jeans were cool. Popcorn has always been cooked in the microwave. They have never seen Larry Bird play. They never took a swim and thought about Jaws. The Vietnam War is as ancient history to them as WWI, WWII and the Civil War. They have no idea that Americans were ever held hostage in Iran. They can't imagine what hard contact lenses are. They don't know who Mork was or where he was from. They never heard: "Where's the beef?", "I'd walked a mile for a Camel," or "de plane, de plane!" They do not care who shot J.R. and have no idea who J.R. is. The Titanic was found? They thought we always knew where it was. Michael Jackson has always been white. Kansas, Chicago, Boston, America, and Alabama are places, not groups. McDonalds never came in Styrofoam containers. There has always been MTV. They don't have a clue how to use a typewriter. Do you feel old yet? pass this on to the other old fogies. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 22:28:04 2000 From: MEFRENCH1@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:27:47 EDT Subject: New to list. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi everyone. My name is Michele. I'm relatively new to the area and am looking for riding partners. I ride a Triumph Adventurer. Are there any Triumph clubs in the area? The closest one I have found is up in Pennsylvania. I also enjoy overnight rides. Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 22:43:10 2000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:38:22 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: MEFRENCH1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New to list. Rich - paging Rich C! Methinks he's in a brit bike group. But I believe most of us are eclectic. They even let us Harley guys and gals play with them. Bill MEFRENCH1@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi everyone. My name is Michele. I'm relatively new to the area and am > looking for riding partners. I ride a Triumph Adventurer. Are there any > Triumph clubs in the area? The closest one I have found is up in > Pennsylvania. I also enjoy overnight rides. Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 23:10:32 2000 From: Preludef2@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:10:18 EDT Subject: looking for a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX i was wondering if anyone knows of a 98 gsxr for sale? if so i am looking for one. let me know....thanks brent honda 94 600 f2 From dc-cycles-request Wed May 3 23:46:58 2000 X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:40:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: looking for a bike http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/index.shtml --wes At 23:10 03-05-00, Preludef2@XXXXXX wrote: >i was wondering if anyone knows of a 98 gsxr for sale? if so i am looking for >one. let me know....thanks brent >honda 94 600 f2 From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 09:32:28 2000 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 06:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave LeNard Subject: 83 Honda Parts Bike for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The bike is a red 1983 VT 500C Model, 490cc engine. The bike does not run, all major parts are still on the bike. No title but I do have the bill of sale, and Clymer. I can deliver in the DC area. If you are still interested please let me know by email. I am in Arlington, VA and will be available to show it any day this week except Saturday (unless before 9:30). Asking $150 o.b.o. ===== "The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 09:43:30 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FS: '86 Kawasaki 454 LTD Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:35:48 -0400 For sale: 1986 Kawasaki 454 LTD (It's a cruiser, for those who aren't familiar) Very good cosmetic condition Runs perfectly Chrome pipes Passenger backrest Lots of tread on tires $800 firm I bought this bike from my neighbor recently, since he was moving and needed to get rid of it fast. I figured I'd use it as a commuter bike or sell it on and get my money back. It's become clear that my VTR is just as good at commuting. I also can't really justify owning two bikes now that my finances are tight, so she goes up on the block. Hopefully someone can buy this to get a newbie into bikes or give it a good home in some other way. Please Email or call at 703-786-3286 if interested. Bike is in Arlington, but I'm sure I could find a way to deliver it if in the metro DC area. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 Honda VTR '86 Kwak LTD From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 10:10:18 2000 X-Sender: dreamer%abac.com@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:09:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: 1996 Yamaha Virago 1100 Special for sale For Sale 1996 Yamaha Virago 1100 Special This is a striking motorcycle with thousands of dollars worth of custom accessories! I am the bike's second owner. The first owner purchased it brand new in 1997and put only 5000 miles on it. I purchased it in 1998 but did not ride it until last year. The mileage is now 15,300. I have all service records and receipts as well as the owner's manual and a Clymer manual for the bike. The bike has just been through Virginia inspection and undergone a full servicing by Cycle Sport in Springfield. It has been garage kept in Dumfries and lovingly detailed. This bike is perfect for those who need a powerful bike with a lower seat height. The Mustang seat is very comfortable. I've put as much as 700 miles on it in a day without any discomfort at all. I've been very happy with its performance and dependability. I'm moving on to a new Vulcan 1500 Classic, which gives you the opportunity to own this exceptional motorcycle. Don't miss the chance! What follows is a description of the bike and extras but this bike must be seen to be truly appreciated. Additional pictures can been viewed at http://users.abac.com/dreamer/virago.htm. - 1996 Yamaha Virago 1100 Special - black and white with silver trim. - 1100cc air cooled Vtwin -Double disk front brakes, drum brake in the rear - Dunlop tires, front and rear - Aluminum wheels - Brand new long life battery - Studded leather tank bra - Studded leather mud flap - Studded custom seat by Mustang (original seat included) - Windshield - Custom hard bags from Champion Sidecars in California., fully lined with chrome latch with key - Custom cruise control - Chrome light bar with headlight visor - Chrome side covers (original covers included) - Chrome sissy bar with pad to match the mustang seat - Chrome engine guards - Chrome highway pegs - Chrome shock covers - Chrome rear brake cover - Chrome horn covers - Chrome oil cap - Chrome rear turn signals with visors - Inspection sticker plate Price: $6500.00 Email dreamer@XXXXXX or call me (Dawn) at 703-578-4282. Leave message if I'm not there and I'll get back to you ASAP. *=====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *=====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *=====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 10:30:34 2000 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:30:27 -0400 From: "Chris " Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Sidecars in Falls Church, VA, Memorial Day Parade X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e44EUbA18022 2000 Falls Church, VA, Memorial Day Parade Sidecarists are invited to participate in the 2000 Falls Church, VA, Memorial Day Parade. The parade starts at 2pm, Memorial Day (Monday, May 29). Falls Church is about 10 mi. due west of Washington, DC. We'll meet at noon at my house for lunch and visiting, then line up for the parade. We've ridden in the parade the last three years - last year we had five sidecars, and had a blast! We rode down the center of the 4-lane parade route, then rode in circles and figure-8's. Several drivers used the figure-8's as a great way to fly the car – much to the delight of the audience – we got a lot of cheers. We also carried along candy to toss to the kids – which also got a lot of cheers! Not far back was the fire department, who made frequent use of their sirens ... so here we are doing circles and figure-8's on a public street, flying the car, waving to the crowds, with sirens close behind us -- and everything's fine! All sidecars and sidecarists are welcome. Contact Chris Norloff at chris@XXXXXX. Please feel free to pass this along to any sidecar drivers you know. I'm sending this to riders I know, as well as others in the general area who may be interested. Look forward to seeing you, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 11:41:20 2000 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 11:37:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: New to list. At 10:27 PM 5/3/00 EDT, MEFRENCH1@XXXXXX wrote: >Hi everyone. My name is Michele. I'm relatively new to the area and am >looking for riding partners. I ride a Triumph Adventurer. Are there any >Triumph clubs in the area? The closest one I have found is up in >Pennsylvania. I also enjoy overnight rides. Any suggestions? Come out to the races @ Summit Point. About 80 minute ride from DC. Info at http://marrc.nova.org. You can cornerwork & be part of the action, or just hang out & watch. Lots of fun if you're into motorcycles. Camping encouraged. Lots of DC Cycles List folks up there. Next race weeked is in about a week on 5/13-14/2000. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 14:16:08 2000 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New Kriss modulator To: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Bob Meyer wrote: > At 08:12 AM 5/3/00 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >Don't be too surprised if some DC cager tries to > >run you off the road for putting that anoying strobe > >light in their rear view mirror. Just being honest > >here. > > > > > When running a headlight modulator, I *always* (at > least when I don't > forget), switch it off or switch to low beam when > I'm close behind someone > in a cage. > > But when I switched from a bike with a modulator to > one without, I couldn't > believe how much more often I got cut off, had > people make left turns > across my path, etc. I'll take the risk of > offending a few people vs. not > being seen. Nice theory....but I'd rather not put a light on my bike which gives REALLY stupid cagers the idea that you're flashing them in an attempt to give them the right of way. If these things were foolproof, they'd be standard equipment....or at least a VERY popular aftermarket item (which they're not). -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 15:30:52 2000 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Responses to FS: Kwak 454 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Please send any email responses to my "for sale" post to this address (chris_vtr@XXXXXX). The "I Love You" virus knocked my company's mail server out of whack. Thanks. Chris Weaver '98 VTR '86 LTD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 15:31:01 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: New to list. Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:31:33 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Michele, (and others) I'll second what Steve said. You will find many local riders and racers there. I will be there in a blue "T" shirt (marks me as a newbie to racing:) ) with a red SV w/ blue tail section. I'll probably have a black trailer behind a red 4Runner. You are welcome to come by, introduce yourself. My wife and maybe my daughter will be there Saturday. Stop by and say hello. (This goes for anyone of course) Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Harris To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:37 AM Subject: Re: New to list. > At 10:27 PM 5/3/00 EDT, MEFRENCH1@XXXXXX wrote: > >Hi everyone. My name is Michele. I'm relatively new to the area and am > >looking for riding partners. I ride a Triumph Adventurer. Are there any > >Triumph clubs in the area? The closest one I have found is up in > >Pennsylvania. I also enjoy overnight rides. Any suggestions? > > > Come out to the races @ Summit Point. About 80 minute ride from DC. Info > at http://marrc.nova.org. You can cornerwork & be part of the action, or > just hang out & watch. Lots of fun if you're into motorcycles. Camping > encouraged. Lots of DC Cycles List folks up there. > > Next race weeked is in about a week on 5/13-14/2000. > > S > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 16:53:24 2000 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:57:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Colleen? Colleen, Are you out there? I am interested in trying on an item I saw on your page. Shout back soem good times for you maybe this weekend? Lisa From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 18:04:56 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:04:41 EDT Subject: NON-MOTO: StarWars E1 Laserdisc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anyone here a movie buff / star wars fan that owns a laserdisc player? Since FOX didn't release the new StarWars movie in the US in digital format, I imported the Laserdisc from Japan. To make sure I got one (It's a limited edition, I'm told) I ordered it from a couple places and wound up with two copies. Anyone who is interested, I'll sell it for what I paid (including shipping) - $115. If not... I'll hold onto it for a while then see what I can get for it on eBay :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 18:32:51 2000 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:32:28 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Watch out for mail fraud.. Well, I had a subscription to cycle world. I decided to let it run and not to renw for whatever reason. I received last issue in April, and all is dandy. In march an outlet called "Dialamerica Marketing, Inc" called us twice, on two consecutive days, trying to sell renewal for this newspaper. My wife was taking calls - and as usually, declined the renwal and requested us to be removed from their database. Such request has to immediately respected by telemarketing company. Well, today i recived invoice from Dialamerica - for .... $35.91, for subscription to Cycle World, claiming that I am already receiving CW... well the fishy thing was that such invoice does not state for what period of time is this subscription. Smelling rat i called their support line, to be told that I reorderd this in March. Well, I directly declined payment, and told them that I will follw this up as an attempted mail fraud. Well, next was quick use of www.google.com and submitting a raport via on-line complaint form to FTC. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/fraud.htm Bottom line - watch your mailbox for "Dialamerica Marketing, Inc" invoices. My experience is that they will try to send you an invoice, for goods/services you declined, and on top of it they do not adhere to telemarketing rules. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 18:50:26 2000 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 18:45:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: zbig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Watch out for mail fraud.. All the mags use subscription services, and ALL the subscription services BLOW GOATS! Even MCN, a great mag, but they sold thier soul to the devil. I renew, and the very next month and every month after that I get "Last Chance! Renew now!" crap from the subscription service. Screw them all. This year I'm letting them all expire. Bill zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, I had a subscription to cycle world. I decided to let it run and > not to renw for whatever reason. I received last issue in April, and > all is dandy. > > In march an outlet called "Dialamerica Marketing, Inc" called us > twice, on two consecutive days, trying to sell renewal for this > newspaper. My wife was taking calls - and as usually, declined the > renwal and requested us to be removed from their database. Such > request has to immediately respected by telemarketing company. > > Well, today i recived invoice from Dialamerica - for .... $35.91, > for subscription to Cycle World, claiming that I am already receiving > CW... > > well the fishy thing was that such invoice does not state for what > period of time is this subscription. Smelling rat i called their > support line, to be told that I reorderd this in March. Well, I > directly declined payment, and told them that I will follw this up as > an attempted mail fraud. Well, next was quick use of www.google.com > and submitting a raport via on-line complaint form to FTC. > > http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/fraud.htm > > Bottom line - watch your mailbox for "Dialamerica Marketing, Inc" > invoices. My experience is that they will try to send you an invoice, > for goods/services you declined, and on top of it they do not adhere > to telemarketing rules. > > _zjt > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 20:22:21 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Kriss modulator Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 03:25:52 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e450MWA27357 |>Nice theory....but I'd rather not put a light on my |>bike which gives REALLY stupid cagers the idea that |>you're flashing them in an attempt to give them the |>right of way. If these things were foolproof, they'd |>be standard equipment....or at least a VERY popular |>aftermarket item (which they're not). Personally, i'd like a non emergency vehicle color, such as green in the light. I've seen some type of strobe bulb inserted into the reflective portion of the headlight housing. I would like blue actually, or red.. but i don't want a ticket. Green will probably get a ticket too though I might go ahead and go with the blue, and just use it when traffic is heavy... which is the same as when I use my high beam. twice in two days i've seen BDC's go into a left turn lane at an intersection realize it wasn't their turn then just pop back out into the road without looking, even though they've slowed down and the traffic they just left didn't. I know a guy who has a blue strobe light in his wheel well. It grabs attention, and I'd wager he's less likely to be rear ended. I personally would like something similiar on the front end of my bike (also) ... but of course I dont' want a ticket. That's one of the reasons i have the tail light cover off of my bike. I'll let the white bulb light catch someone's eye at night. it's not just another lit tag and brake light to blend in. I have to admit though. I've seen a dual headlight bike where the left and right bulbs took turns flashing and there was a small blue high intensity strobe in the middle. It looked pretty neat, and was eye catching. I hate it when bikers ride with highbeam on at night though. on a bright sunny day, OK it's not that bad. at night, hey i need to see back there and your'e pissing off cars in front of you. I woudlnt' want a high beam modulator. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 22:09:14 2000 From: "Genna Melamed" To: , "DC CYCLE CLUB" Subject: Arai helmets Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:09:09 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFB615.5F0BA3B0 Hi, Anyone knows a good(read inexpensive) place to buy an Arai? RX-7RR3 = preferred, or RX-7RR4 Thanks Genna Melamed ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFB615.5F0BA3B0
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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFB615.5F0BA3B0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 23:13:42 2000 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: , Subject: RE: Watch out for mail fraud.. Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:13:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/fraud.htm > > Bottom line - watch your mailbox for "Dialamerica Marketing, Inc" > invoices. My experience is that they will try to send you an invoice, > for goods/services you declined, and on top of it they do not adhere > to telemarketing rules. > Since they are using the mail, you should file a complaint with the USPS, too. They won't bother with one complaint, but if they start getting a lot they will investigate. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 23:13:40 2000 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "Tom Gimer" , Subject: RE: New Kriss modulator Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:13:49 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > > > But when I switched from a bike with a modulator to > > one without, I couldn't > > believe how much more often I got cut off, had > > people make left turns > > across my path, etc. I'll take the risk of > > offending a few people vs. not > > being seen. > > Nice theory....but I'd rather not put a light on my > bike which gives REALLY stupid cagers the idea that > you're flashing them in an attempt to give them the > right of way. If these things were foolproof, they'd > be standard equipment....or at least a VERY popular > aftermarket item (which they're not). > Well, I never said they were foolproof, but as for their effectiveness, it's not theory. EVERYONE I've ever talked to who used one says the same thing, and my experience says the same thing. People NOTICE these damn things. Especially with the proliferation of daylight running lights on cars, M/C low beams are just lost in the noise, and M/C highbeams aren't much better. The physiological aspect is more than theory, too. The human brain, for some reason, is hard wired into this frequency. It's impossible for a non-blind human to NOT see a light flickering at this rate. Even with highbeams on (in daytime), I've found it not at all unusual to have people pull out in front of me. With a modulator, if flat doesn't happen. If people really though I was giving them the right of way, I'd expect to get cut off at least as often, if not more often. And I think it would take a REAL stupid cager to mistake this for someone blinking the high beams. They flicker 240 times a minute. It looks more like something's wrong with the bike's electrics than it does like someone flashing the high beams. Your argument that they'd be standard if they worked doesn't hold water. Unless, of course, you think that ALL bikes come with good loud horns, decent head and tail lights, the best tires and brakes available, etc, etc. Manufacturers include those items that fit within a target price and add to the perceived value of the bike. Horns aren't sexy or fast, so they don't count. Honda puts wimpy 45/45 watt headlight bulbs in their bikes, and many taillights are all but invisible in daylight. Some bikes still come with single front disc brakes and rear drums. As far as aftermarket, how many loud horns do you think get sold compared to "carbon" exhaust systems, rear fender eliminators, tank bras, etc. Bikers buy style and performance, not safety. Just look at the number of squids you see riding Goof 4s, R6s and the like in t-shirts, shorts and tennis shoes. You think these guys are interested in safety? Safety may sell automobiles, but it sure doesn't sell motorcycles. Finally, headlight modulators have been around for about 20 years. In all that time I've heard of many accidents where some cager cuts off a bike and says "I didn't see him, officer." I've never heard of an accident where the cager said "I thought he was flashing me to go ahead." In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 23:13:59 2000 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: , "Tom Gimer" Cc: "Bob Meyer" , Subject: RE: New Kriss modulator Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:13:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:26 PM > To: Tom Gimer > Cc: Bob Meyer; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: New Kriss modulator > > > |>Nice theory....but I'd rather not put a light on my > |>bike which gives REALLY stupid cagers the idea that > |>you're flashing them in an attempt to give them the > |>right of way. If these things were foolproof, they'd > |>be standard equipment....or at least a VERY popular > |>aftermarket item (which they're not). > > Personally, i'd like a non emergency vehicle color, such as green in > the light. I've seen some type of strobe bulb inserted into the > reflective portion of the headlight housing. There is a device which fits over the headlight bulb, inside the housing (not sure exactly how this works or affects the beam pattern) that creates a rainbow effect. Saw one on a Hardly once, and it was quite distinctive. Sport Touring Accessories ( http://www.sporttouringusa.com/ ) used to sell them. Not sure if they still do. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 4 23:36:10 2000 X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 23:29:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: Arai helmets Seeing as how there's really no inexpensive Arai RX-7RR3 or 4 to be bought, you could try www.helmetshop.com -- they have the best prices I've seen in a while. 3's at $400, 4's a little more (plain colors). --w At 22:09 04-05-00, you wrote: >Hi, > >Anyone knows a good(read inexpensive) place to buy an Arai? RX-7RR3 >preferred, or RX-7RR4 > >Thanks > > >Genna Melamed From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 07:04:44 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MEFRENCH1@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:02:26 -0400 Subject: RE: New to list Content-Disposition: inline Michele, Pennsylvania is OK... if you like potholes. ;) Just kidding. I'm from Pa. There are plenty of fine folks to ride with on this list, and on the "dc area riders" Yahoo club. If you want Brit specific, the Virginia British Motorcycle Club is a cool outfit. They are mostly clustered around Richmond, but there are a few of us scattered about NOVA, and they do have some things in other areas. Check them out at... http://fullspeed.to/VBMC/ A few of us VBMCers are going to ride as a group up to British Motorcycle Day on May 21st. If you would like to join us, let me know. The Nation's Capital Norton Owners also have a great club. You must own a Norton (or, at the very least, a box of Norton parts) to join, but you can ride and hang out with them even if you're not a member. However, doing that more than a couple times will make you want to buy a Norton. They are at... http://users.starpower.net/ncno/ HTH, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling Michele wrote... >I'm relatively new to the area and am looking for riding partners. I ride a Triumph >Adventurer. Are there any Triumph clubs in the area? The closest one I have found >is up in Pennsylvania. I also enjoy overnight rides. Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 08:37:43 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dave@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: MC parking in Bethesda Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 08:37:29 -0400 David Cross complained, "The garage in which I park my motorcycle at work is going to be shut down for 3 months for repairs. Anyone know of free/cheap parking in the Bethesda area, as close to Cordell Ave as possible?" There's some free parking on Wilson where Cordell terminates. Dunno if there is a time restriction on those spaces tho. Upstairs at the lot just north of Rugby, west of Woodmont, all day parking is pretty reasonable (2-4 bits and hour). Merryland and Virginny haven't seen fit to provide MC parking as DC has. Mason Dixon 20-20 Rally: Dang, I'll be fetching the kid's junk from Chicago. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 08:52:58 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" , "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" Subject: shipping a bike & subscriptions Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 08:52:49 -0400 Daniel wondered, "anyone know how much it would cost, and how to go about, shipping a bike to wayne indiana?" 1-800-747-4100. Ask for Brad. Federal Allied picks up your bike anywhere and delivers anywhere. It's shipped on a special bike pallet in a truck modified especially to ship large, fragile, expensive objects. Give them originating and destination zip codes and they'll give you an instant quote. Look at $500 coast to coast. Shipping from and to a commercial establishment (even a corner store or station) knocks off a few bucks. They quoted ~$200 from Cincinnati to Bethesda. Bill Huson ranted, "ALL the subscription services BLOW GOATS! Even MCN, a great mag, but they sold their soul to the devil." Aye, that why I let my MCN subscription lapse. Wrote them a letter detailing my complaints. Received no response -- except periodic invites to subscribe from Boulder, Colorado. Same folks who screwed my Popular Science sub long ago. Postage free replies offer a channel for relief as do 800 numbers from spammers ;^> Carl in Bethesda This expresses my personal views. All care and due diligence has been take in its composition and I fully believe it to be correct, but then I think water is wet, so who am I to judge. Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito"; '84 VF700S (to de determined); '80 GS450E "Caballoante" (RIP); 1997 AeroStich Roadcrafter "Fred the Red"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 09:06:32 2000 From: "Dave Cross" To: Subject: Cages vs M/Cs Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:06:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 A recent discussion with a lister got me thinking about what kinds of stuff I would need to put in a letter to someone if I was trying to advocate M/C usage over cages. What I am looking for is a list of advantages of commuting by motorcycle and how commuting on a motorcycles is better for society/environment. Here is what I have so far: -Motorcycles use less fuel. -Motorcycles produce less poluting emissions. -Motorcycles cause less wear on road surfaces saving tax payers money. -Motorcycles take up less parking space than automobiles. -You can fit more motorcycles in a given space on the highway than automobiles, thus reducing traffic congesstion. I am sure I am missing a lot. What else? Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 09:17:35 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'wes 8-)#'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Arai helmets Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:09:47 -0400 I agree. I just bought a solid-color Signet/GT and paid $300. It was by far the cheapest place I found, and I did quite a bit of searching, both online and in local shops. Their service was nothing short of fantastic. The helmet showed up in (as I recall) three business days, and the Helmet Shop sent me an online tracking number so that I could view the package's progress as it made its way north from Florida. Only drawback is that they require a signature (by you or a neighbor, in person) to drop the package off at your place or you have to specify a "customer counter" center to pick it up. The extra security was worth the minor hassle IMO. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: wes 8-)# [SMTP:wes@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:29 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Arai helmets > > Seeing as how there's really no inexpensive Arai RX-7RR3 or 4 to be > bought, > you could try www.helmetshop.com -- they have the best prices I've seen in > > a while. 3's at $400, 4's a little more (plain colors). > > --w > > At 22:09 04-05-00, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Anyone knows a good(read inexpensive) place to buy an Arai? RX-7RR3 > >preferred, or RX-7RR4 > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Genna Melamed From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 09:26:08 2000 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 06:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs To: Dave Cross , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Be careful about arguing your points. Some of them could be reasonably debated for the other side. Additional comments below. Leon. no car. --- Dave Cross wrote: > -Motorcycles use less fuel. > -Motorcycles produce less poluting emissions. Only the expensive new motorcycles with Catalytic converters and fuel injection produce less emissions. Cars have really been cleaned up in the last 20 years or so. > -Motorcycles cause less wear on road surfaces saving > tax payers money. But we are involved in 3 times as many accidents. > -Motorcycles take up less parking space than > automobiles. > -You can fit more motorcycles in a given space on > the highway than > automobiles, thus reducing traffic congesstion. > > I am sure I am missing a lot. What else? > > Dave Cross > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 09:27:03 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 09:26:53 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: PAGING DAVE CROSS - MAIL ERROR FYI Dave - your domain / mail / account is screwy.... ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mail.9netave.com.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 551 no such user on our server 550 ... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; www.zen-data.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; vulture Arrival-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:22:45 -0400 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org There are three types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 09:35:00 2000 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 09:34:13 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Accept-Language: en CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs Dave Cross wrote: ,,,What I am looking for is a list of advantages of commuting by motorcycle and how commuting on a motorcycles is better for society/environment. How about : - Motorcycles are more fun. - *trained* Motorcycle operators are *generally* better riders/drivers. - it's real hard to yak on the cell phone while riding. - it's hard(er) to do a drive by shooting with a motorcycle. - it's hard(er) to hide contraband on a motorcycle. - Motorcycles save time (traffic flows slower as cages get closer & closer together. as following distance decreases, so does average speed) Since - motorcycles are smaller, & congestion would be less with only bikes, you'd save time :-) - *apologies in advance to the female listers* like my wife says 'Chicks dig bikers' :-) - Better for the economy? - State of the art motorcycles can be had for less than $13k, less state / property tax, so there's more money available for discretionary expenditures. good luck. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 09:44:04 2000 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 06:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs To: Dave Cross Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX OK, I can't believe we are getting into this one again... Here are m views: --- Dave Cross wrote: > > Here is what I have so far: > > -Motorcycles use less fuel. Not completely true any more. Some cars like the Honda Civic HF (High Fuel) get in the neighborhood of 45 MPG. That's right up there with a bike. Of course this is only one model of car and only a handful of cars do this. > -Motorcycles produce less poluting emissions. Are you sure about this one? How many bikes have catalatic converters on them? Only a couple I can think of. Cars have very strict emissions compared to bikes. > -Motorcycles cause less wear on road surfaces saving > tax payers money. Probably true but cars do very little damage to roads anyway. Large trucks, buses, etc do 90% of the damage to roads. Take a look at roads like I-66 inside the Beltway that don't allow trucks, I can't think of one pothole (on the VA side). > -Motorcycles take up less parking space than > automobiles. Agreed. > -You can fit more motorcycles in a given space on > the highway than > automobiles, thus reducing traffic congesstion. Probably true also. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 09:47:48 2000 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 09:48:15 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Accept-Language: en To: Dave Cross CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs Hey Dave, It's a worthy cause and an admirable effort, but you might want to do some checking on the "less pollution" part. I think I read somewhere that bikes are actually dirtier because most of them have less effective emmisions apparatus than that found on cars. Some exceptions are the late model BMWs whch have catalytic converters and the Yamaha GTS1000, I believe, maybe some others. I'm not sure about the California models in relation to cars. Maybe you could make the emmissions arguement *based* on lower use of fuel. Anyway, I could be all wet on this but I thought you should have a heads up. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Dave Cross wrote, in part: > What I am looking for is a list of advantages of commuting by motorcycle and > how commuting on a motorcycle is better for society/environment. > > Here is what I have so far: > > -Motorcycles use less fuel. > -Motorcycles produce less poluting emissions. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 10:09:08 2000 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 10:05 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "MEFRENCH1@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:New to list. Jeannette and I like to ride whenever we have the chance (which hasn't been too often here lately). We're over in Arlington so if you feel like going for a ride give us a shout the day before you wanna go. Home addy is zellto@XXXXXX . Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: New to list. Author: MEFRENCH1@XXXXXX Date: 05/03/2000 10:27 PM Hi everyone. My name is Michele. I'm relatively new to the area and am looking for riding partners. I ride a Triumph Adventurer. Are there any Triumph clubs in the area? The closest one I have found is up in Pennsylvania. I also enjoy overnight rides. Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 10:16:09 2000 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 10:15:52 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Dave Cross CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs Dave Cross wrote: > > Here is what I have so far: > > -Motorcycles use less fuel. > -Motorcycles produce less poluting emissions. > -Motorcycles cause less wear on road surfaces saving tax payers money. > -Motorcycles take up less parking space than automobiles. > -You can fit more motorcycles in a given space on the highway than > automobiles, thus reducing traffic congesstion. > > I am sure I am missing a lot. What else? > > Dave Cross You missed one... - Cars Suck! :) Horkster From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 10:35:07 2000 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs On Fri, 5 May 2000, Dave Crss wrote: > > I am sure I am missing a lot. What else? > You forgot the two most important ones. 1. Cars suck. 2. Driving makes you stupid. The more you drive the stupider you get! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 11:25:02 2000 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:24:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Fri, 5 May 2000, Leon Begeman wrote: > --- Dave Cross wrote: > > -Motorcycles use less fuel. My bike does 30mpg. :( This is not a focus at all for MC manufacturers. Bikes are recreational so there's not point in looking at fuel economy... :( > But we are involved in 3 times as many accidents. Wow, that sucks... What is your goal in collecting such a list? Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 11:39:23 2000 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'DC CYCLE CLUB'" Subject: RE: Arai helmets Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:34:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BFB685.DFF452E0 I was just talking to Cycle Accessory Warehouse in Gaithersburg about getting a new Shoei and the guy mentioned having some Arai's on sale, but I didn't get the model numbers. I do know their prices can positively embarrass Coleman's (forgot the new name), but don't know how they compare to the web. 301-977-7188. Cedric Hi, Anyone knows a good(read inexpensive) place to buy an Arai? RX-7RR3 preferred, or RX-7RR4 Thanks Genna Melamed ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BFB685.DFF452E0
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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BFB685.DFF452E0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 11:53:35 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: "Tom Gimer" , Subject: Re: New Kriss modulator Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:57:05 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e45FrbA11659 |>blinking the high beams. They flicker 240 times a minute. It looks more |>like something's wrong with the bike's electrics than it does like someone |>flashing the high beams. Oooh 240 times a minute. That does sound attention grabbing, without it causing confusion in granting right of way. |>Your argument that they'd be standard if they worked doesn't hold water. Yep you pretty much disected that one. Good points. You should be a salesman for them, you make me want to buy one hehe. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 12:04:42 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Dave Cross" Cc: Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:08:13 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e45G4jA11797 I dunno if it's been said, but motorcycles are far easier to clear off the roadway. not causing a traffic jam, and easy to move for emergency vehicles to get by. motorcylcists are more attentive drivers, unlike the make up applying cell phone talking air heads out there. motorcycles also cause less damage to surrounding dwelings/people when they have an accident. daniel love riders From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 12:48:08 2000 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 12:47:56 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: Dave Cross , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > motorcylcists are more attentive drivers, unlike the make up applying > cell phone talking air heads out there. You forgot the book-reading air heads. One pulled up next to me in traffic on the way home last night. She had a little paperback right in the middle of the steering wheel. What was really scary was that we just exited the Fairfax County parkway where we were just doing 60+ mph. I hope she wasn't reading then, but I can't be sure. Scary! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 13:23:29 2000 X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 13:18:34 -0400 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: New Kriss modulator Cc: "Tom Gimer" , At 06:57 PM 5/5/00 GMT, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >|>blinking the high beams. They flicker 240 times a minute. It looks more >|>like something's wrong with the bike's electrics than it does like someone >|>flashing the high beams. > >Oooh 240 times a minute. That does sound attention grabbing, without >it causing confusion in granting right of way. > >|>Your argument that they'd be standard if they worked doesn't hold water. > >Yep you pretty much disected that one. Good points. You should be a >salesman for them, you make me want to buy one hehe. I probably should have waited until I wasn't so tired before responding. I think now I came on a bit too strong. (Sorry Tom). I guess I don't care who uses what, but based on my experience I really do think they'd save lives, especially with all the cars that have their headlights on during the day. I bought the first brand available back around 1980 or '81. If memory serves, it was developed by a doctor who was both a biker and familiar with the way the brain locks into certain frequencies. The first day I put it on I noticed a difference in how cars perceived me. A few years later, that bike was seriously vandalized. I bought another as an "interim" bike, without a modulator, and couldn't believe how many idiots were cutting me off all of a sudden. It took me a couple of weeks before I realized I didn't have the modulator any more. Same thing happened a few years ago when I bought a Honda Hawk GT. I didn't ride it much, because of health reasons, so I never did get around to putting modulator on it. And I never felt as safe without it. Now I have a new (used) ST1100, and the Kriss is sitting in the garage waiting for me to find the time to put it in. OTOH, its NOT a force field. People can be oblivious, so you still need to pay attention. If it gives one a false sense of security, then I suppose it might be a bad thing. So I don't want to sound like a salesman, but mike experience ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 13:35:13 2000 From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cages vs M/Cs Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:32:37 -0400 Was this one of those fake jeep like things? White, I think? vanity tags? ya, she reads _all_ the way home. She's reading every time I see her. She makes up for it by driving about 5 mph under the flow of traffic, so people will go around her. -Mark btw, Dale, that was me following you through Clifton the other night. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 3:48 PM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: Dave Cross; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs > > > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > motorcylcists are more attentive drivers, unlike the make > up applying > > cell phone talking air heads out there. > > You forgot the book-reading air heads. One pulled up next > to me in traffic on the way home last night. She had a > little paperback right in the middle of the steering wheel. > > What was really scary was that we just exited the Fairfax > County parkway where we were just doing 60+ mph. I hope > she wasn't reading then, but I can't be sure. Scary! > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 13:48:41 2000 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: New Kriss modulator To: rmeyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I honestly can't argue with any of this. Damn....who'da thought there was edjumacated folks on this list! You may have actually convinced me to look into one of these things. I'd rather not become a hord ornament either. Question: can you turn it off when you're riding in a group? --- RMeyer wrote: > Well, I never said they were foolproof, but as for > their effectiveness, it's > not theory. EVERYONE I've ever talked to who used > one says the same thing, > and my experience says the same thing. People > NOTICE these damn things. > Especially with the proliferation of daylight > running lights on cars, M/C > low beams are just lost in the noise, and M/C > highbeams aren't much better. > > The physiological aspect is more than theory, too. > The human brain, for > some reason, is hard wired into this frequency. > It's impossible for a > non-blind human to NOT see a light flickering at > this rate. Even with > highbeams on (in daytime), I've found it not at all > unusual to have people > pull out in front of me. With a modulator, if flat > doesn't happen. If > people really though I was giving them the right of > way, I'd expect to get > cut off at least as often, if not more often. > > And I think it would take a REAL stupid cager to > mistake this for someone > blinking the high beams. They flicker 240 times a > minute. It looks more > like something's wrong with the bike's electrics > than it does like someone > flashing the high beams. > > Your argument that they'd be standard if they worked > doesn't hold water. > Unless, of course, you think that ALL bikes come > with good loud horns, > decent head and tail lights, the best tires and > brakes available, etc, etc. > Manufacturers include those items that fit within a > target price and add to > the perceived value of the bike. Horns aren't sexy > or fast, so they don't > count. Honda puts wimpy 45/45 watt headlight bulbs > in their bikes, and many > taillights are all but invisible in daylight. Some > bikes still come with > single front disc brakes and rear drums. As far as > aftermarket, how many > loud horns do you think get sold compared to > "carbon" exhaust systems, rear > fender eliminators, tank bras, etc. Bikers buy > style and performance, not > safety. Just look at the number of squids you see > riding Goof 4s, R6s and > the like in t-shirts, shorts and tennis shoes. You > think these guys are > interested in safety? Safety may sell automobiles, > but it sure doesn't sell > motorcycles. > > Finally, headlight modulators have been around for > about 20 years. In all > that time I've heard of many accidents where some > cager cuts off a bike and > says "I didn't see him, officer." I've never heard > of an accident where the > cager said "I thought he was flashing me to go > ahead." > > In the wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than > leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 13:58:35 2000 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 13:58:20 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Mark Petty CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs Mark Petty wrote: > ya, she reads _all_ the way home. > She makes up for it by driving about 5 mph under the flow of traffic, > so people will go around her. I was thinking it was a car, but now I'm wondering. I was so shocked by her callous disregard for human life that I didn't even notice the cage that much. > btw, Dale, that was me following you through Clifton the other night. I thought that was you! That commute through Clifton is pretty cool if you catch the traffic just right. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 15:28:32 2000 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:28:28 -0400 From: "Chris " Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Dale Horstman CC: Subject: Re: Cages vs M/Cs ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman >You forgot the book-reading air heads. One pulled up next >to me in traffic on the way home last night. She had a >little paperback right in the middle of the steering wheel. > >What was really scary was that we just exited the Fairfax >County parkway where we were just doing 60+ mph. I hope >she wasn't reading then, but I can't be sure. Scary! Next time, turn her in! Call 691-2131 to report aggressive drivers in Fairfax County (it doesn't matter where the car is tagged, but the incident must be in Fairfax County). They need the license tag no., the vehicle description, and preferably also a description of the driver. They'll send out a letter advising the car owner of what was observed. It might help! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 16:07:44 2000 From: ursulina viteri X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:07:18 -0400 Subject: Any good motorcycle clip art sites? TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --openmail-part-1570ba5e-00000001 Content-Disposition: inline Hello, Does anyone know of any interesting motorcycle clip art sites? - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-1570ba5e-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 17:11:42 2000 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Any good motorcycle clip art sites? Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:06:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 http://www.autos-cars-new-used.com/cycle.html http://www.wendys-world.co.uk/clipart/bike/index.htm http://www.packofbastards.com/art1.htm http://www.hayden.edu/~fmattox/clipart/clipart.html http://webclipart.about.com/internet/webclipart/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site= http://www.coolarchive.com/icons.cfm%3Fparameter=mcycle%26number=14%26width= 32%26height=32 http://webclipart.about.com/internet/webclipart/msub20.htm?rnk=r&terms=motor cycle Hope this helps, Cedric "Officer, I see you found the virus author, and don't worry, I'll buy you a new nightstick." Hello, Does anyone know of any interesting motorcycle clip art sites? - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 17:19:09 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Black market baby for SALE... Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:13:16 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm selling my black '92 CB750. Particulars: - Black - Macadam x90s (not standard...better) - Corbin - Aftermarket handlebars - Bar-end mirrors - Oil every 3-5k miles (mobile 1- 15w/50) I also have the original bars/mirrors/seat. MCN/Kelly/N.A.D.A all hover around $2,600 retail. I want $2000 firm (reduced for mileage, increased for aftermarket). If you want, or know anyone who wants this baby email asap. I will be riding it over to the motorcycle night at the Carpool this Sunday evening, with a for sale sign hanging on it. Bike is in excellent mechanical condition and very good-excellent aesthetically. Thank you for your time. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 148,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Fri May 5 20:34:39 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Helmets (again) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:34:44 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Collin and I just posted this info not to long ago, but Duane Grifith (aloetran@XXXXXX or (318) 368-7266) of Dixie Cycles has been doing well by everyone that's delt with him. He's sent helmets to Collin next day air (for a race) without charging postage, sold me a new Arai Quantium for about $40 less than I could find anywhere else (I looked pretty hard) - as well as doing REALLY good deals on other gear too (Vanson Pro-Perf jacket for $350 - they retail for about $600)... Give him a call or drop an e-mail. If you mention my name (Brian McCoy) or Collin Fagan, he'll know where the recomendation came from and will pretty much make sure you get the best deal possible (otherwise he's going to make his normal, small, profit). He's good for ANY kind of gear, boots, jackets, helmets, gloves, full suits, even tires and some accesories! I can't say enough good about him or the business he runs - only top notch. Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Sat May 6 00:31:37 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Tom Gimer" , Subject: Re: New Kriss modulator Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:31:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yep, it only flashes on high beam. I just helped Dillon put one on his new R1. Very cool. Also hooks up to the horn, when flashing at 240 beeping the horn slows the flashing rate down to make you even more noticable. Also has an infrared sensor which automatically stops it flashing at night. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > You may have actually convinced me to look into one of > these things. I'd rather not become a hood ornament > either. Question: can you turn it off when you're > riding in a group? From dc-cycles-request Sat May 6 00:54:49 2000 From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Kriss Modulator Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:54:12 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 A few quick comments re front lighting -- The Kriss has wires that can be handlebar-switched for deactivation (as in group riding). And there is a sensor attached, to be exposed to ambient light, which deactivates at night. I heard of two other headlight extras which I looked at a couple of days ago at Battleys. They are promoting superwhite PIAA? bulbs that shine much brighter for standard abt50 voltage draws -- in the $55 range. And they have a "rainbow" apparatus which fits around the bulb that apparently adds very visible color to the headlight, while being legal, for about $30. I don't think I've seen either of these in operation and would be interested in comments. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 -- blinking at oncoming. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 6 02:25:53 2000 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan S. McClune" Subject: Re: Ride, Squids and Accidents (not mine) on 211 To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'David Forbes'" , "'Brian Walker'" >From a rider who will not ride again I have to agree. It is up to the rider to ride at his own level. The last thing I want to see happen is people fearful of group rides because they may have to explain why another rider went down. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > You're guessing what happened, yet still placing > blame? Please. This is a dangerous sport, you ride __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat May 6 09:01:30 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 09:01:15 EDT Subject: Re: Kriss Modulator To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX > The Kriss has wires that can be handlebar-switched for deactivation (as in > group riding). An even simpler method is to switch to low beam... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 6 21:04:59 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Subject: Not Riding and Squids Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 20:59:12 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan S. McClune" Subject: Re: Ride, Squids and Accidents (not mine) on 211 To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'David Forbes'" , "'Brian Walker'" >From a rider who will not ride again I have to agree. It is up to the rider to ride at his own level. The last thing I want to see happen is people fearful of group rides because they may have to explain why another rider went down. ---------------------------------------------------- Gee Ryan, I sure hope you haven't decided to stop riding for a physiological reason. From reports, you will be doing fine (over time). And from what I've hear from Tom and Collin, You are an exceptional rider. Hate to see good riders with smarts leave the sport, but I've never been where you are. Hope all is well. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 148,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 01:25:29 2000 Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Helmets (again) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ditto what Brian said... Duane and his family (William and Yvonne) have always treated me like I was a son.. and I've never met the folks in person. errr.... acutally brother for Duane since he's younger than me hehehe but all the same.... Good folks, great prices... Just got another new Bell helmet from em a couple of weeks ago. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 01:41:01 2000 X-Originating-IP: [63.23.102.200] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: '86 Kawasaki 454 LTD Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 01:40:52 EDT Well, I sold my 77 KZ650 a little over a month ago. I guess I just MUST have 3 bikes, or maybe this was just to good of a deal to pass up. This bike was everthing Chris said it was, and more. I am now the proud owner of an '86 LTD454. Thanks Chris!! Now, I must decide on a bike to drive to "Car Pool" tonight. hhhhmmmmm IF.. I get finished power washing the deck. ;-) Hope to see many of you tonight! Razz 99 ZX9R 83 LTD440 and the newest addition... 86 LTD454 > >For sale: > >1986 Kawasaki 454 LTD (It's a cruiser, for those who aren't familiar) >Very good cosmetic condition >Runs perfectly >Chrome pipes >Passenger backrest >Lots of tread on tires > >$800 firm > ><> > >Cheers, >Chris Weaver >'98 Honda VTR >'86 Kwak LTD ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 11:57:47 2000 Reply-To: "Ryn" From: "Ryn" To: Subject: Price Question Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:38:47 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Does anyone have a site on where you can find the value of a motorcycle?? I am curious what a '95 YZF in perfect condition is worth??? Thanks for any info, Ryan From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 12:10:35 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:10:20 EDT Subject: Re: Price Question To: desc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Check out: www.kbb.com www.motorcycleworld.com You thinking of selling your bike? Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 13:03:47 2000 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: Ryn cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Price Question On Sun, 7 May 2000, Ryn wrote: > Does anyone have a site on where you can find the value of a motorcycle?? I am > curious what a '95 YZF in perfect condition is worth??? www.kbb.com www.mcnews.com -- George Howell "I ride for the same reason dogs stick their head out ghowell@XXXXXX of car windows" georgehowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX echelon block: kiddie porn, overthrow government, militia, anarchy, guns, knives, violence, bomb, explosive, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Branch Davidian, 2nd amendment, vengeance, Mafia, Delta Force, CIA, FBI, NSA. Enjoy! From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 16:25:17 2000 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:24:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: m/c for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ---'98 Honda CBR900rr--- -Black/red tiger scheme -28k indicated miles (in reality just over 25k due to the gearing (15t/42t)) -Corbin seat -Factory Airbox Plus kit/jetted -Goodridge SS lines (front) -EBC rotors (front) -D207s -L/P windscreen -Valves checked out 3k miles ago -Golden Spectro blend every 3k or less -DID X-ring chain and sprockets replaced 3k miles ago This bike rocks....ask any mofo who has seen it or had the pleasure of breathing its exhaust fumes First $7500 takes it; will be in W.Post next week. I'll give $100 to anybody who refers eventual buyer to me. Thanks. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 17:43:44 2000 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:43:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: m/c for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX BTW, my phone # is 301 437-3542 if you feel like discussing this bike or forwarding the number to potential buyers --- Tom Gimer wrote: > ---'98 Honda CBR900rr--- > -Black/red tiger scheme > -28k indicated miles (in reality just over 25k due > to > the gearing (15t/42t)) > -Corbin seat > -Factory Airbox Plus kit/jetted > -Goodridge SS lines (front) > -EBC rotors (front) > -D207s > -L/P windscreen > -Valves checked out 3k miles ago > -Golden Spectro blend every 3k or less > -DID X-ring chain and sprockets replaced 3k miles > ago > > This bike rocks....ask any mofo who has seen it or > had > the pleasure of breathing its exhaust fumes > > First $7500 takes it; will be in W.Post next week. > I'll give $100 to anybody who refers eventual buyer > to > me. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 21:40:16 2000 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:41:06 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Thank you for making BIKE NIGHT a success! A note of thanks to everyone who showed up to make the first BIKE NIGHT at CarPool in Arlington, VA a huge success! We hope everyone enjoyed themselves as much as we did. We didn't do an actual bike count, but estimate that between 60-70 motorcycles of all types were there throughout the evening. Thanks to CarPool for hosting BIKE NIGHT and providing some motorcyle-only parking. Special thanks to the folks who donated all the door prizes: Coleman Powersport, Crossroads Cycles, and The Java Shack. We're going to do BIKE NIGHT again in June. As soon as we've picked a Sunday night in June, we'll let y'all know. Again, thanks to everyone. Chuck Pena and Mark Kitchell P.S. CarPool has already said they'll block off more parking just for motorcycles when we do BIKE NIGHT again. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 23:36:58 2000 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "Bruce Norton" , "Tom Gimer" , Subject: RE: New Kriss modulator Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:36:55 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 - > From: Bruce Norton [mailto:bnorton@XXXXXX]> > > Yep, it only flashes on high beam. I just helped Dillon put one > on his new R1. > Very cool. Also hooks up to the horn, when flashing at 240 > beeping the horn > slows the flashing rate down to make you even more noticable. Now this option I decided NOT to connect. Tom made me wonder if the slower flash rate might be mistaken for a signal to "go ahead." My older modulators seemed to attract enough attention without this option. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 23:36:59 2000 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "mobacc" , Subject: RE: Kriss Modulator Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:36:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > From: mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] > > I heard of two other headlight extras which I looked at a couple > of days ago > at Battleys. They are promoting superwhite PIAA? bulbs that shine much > brighter for standard abt50 voltage draws -- in the $55 range. And they > have a "rainbow" apparatus which fits around the bulb that apparently adds > very visible color to the headlight, while being legal, for about $30. I > don't think I've seen either of these in operation and would be interested > in comments. I saw one of these rainbow things on a Hardley once. It did attract my attention, but only after I had seen the group of bikes already. A bigger problem may be that I don't see any way to turn in "off" at night. As for the superwhite bulbs, take a look at: http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/info/superwhites/ In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sun May 7 23:37:03 2000 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "Tom Gimer" , , Subject: RE: New Kriss modulator Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:36:55 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > I honestly can't argue with any of this. > > Damn....who'da thought there was edjumacated folks on > this list! > > You may have actually convinced me to look into one of > these things. I'd rather not become a hord ornament > either. Question: can you turn it off when you're > riding in a group? The Kriss modulator *can* be connected so you can manually shut it off (it automatically shuts off when on low beam, btw, although you could wire it so it runs only in low beam if you wanted to, I guess. For some reason Kriss no longer includes instructions for manual override, but I e-mailed them and got a confirmation this still works: The yellow wire, which supplies +12v to the modulator circuit, can be run through a switch. 12v applied, modulator works. 12v off, and the headlights work normally. HTH. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 00:21:20 2000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.89.177] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Carpool Forgetfulness Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 00:21:09 EDT Hey DC Guys & Gals, First I want to thank Chuck and Karen and Mark and Chris et al for organizing the Carpool Bike Night! It was great seeing so many bikes there, placing names to new faces, and seeing old faces again. I had to leave a bit early due to another engagement, but much to my chagrin, I did so without paying my tab! (two Wild Goose IPA's). An emissary did arrive later to intervene on my behalf - I'm no scofflaw ;) - but alas, our waitress indicated someone had already sprang for me. If that person would reply off-list (in order to spare me further embarrassment, not to mention all-important bandwidth ;), I'd be happy to settle accounts at their convenience. Thanks, JK 95 VFR D-Mode ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 00:33:39 2000 From: "L4rite" To: Subject: urgent electrical problems... Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:39:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello folks......I have a lil electrical problem.......basically my bike "96' Katana 750", wont turn off....I can start it and ride it but when I turn off the key....the lights and such stay on as if it were waiting to be started........i can remove the key and turn it in all manners to no avail.... I just cleaned the carbs, air filter, replaced oil and filter and took the battery off of the tender....the bike has been sitting since early December "wintering over"....until around Tuesday of this week....well last night my roommate woke me up about 5 a.m. and told me that my lights were on on my bike and she thinks someone might have tried to steal it.....I unhooked the battery and checked it over....no signs of damage or trying to punch the key switch out......I had the tank and all of the body work off of the bike cleaning all the tubes, wiring, hoses and frame.....using a damp towel and then a rag with armor all on it.....no heavy jets of water or anything....well any when I went out to check the bike when the lights were on and such it was damp outside with a light dew and a bit of humidity in the air....could this be a short, maybe water got in something...?????......any Ideas as to what this might be....?????? 96 Kat750 Les From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 09:18:09 2000 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 06:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Melted shoes on pipes To: DC-Cycles Yesterday I took a friend of mine for her first motorcycle ride. After riding for about 30 miles I pulled in at a gas station to see how she was doing. She was having a grand old time. But then I looked at her shoes and was horrified... there was a melted arch in the sole of her right foot. I quickly ran to the other side of the bike, and yep... she missed the footpeg and was resting her foot on the pipes for a while. (she mentioned that her right foot was feeling very warm). It is some kind of a black rubber/plastic mess. Any suggestions for the best way to clean it off? The rest of the ride went fine, except when I took 211 up to Skyline Drive at what I thought was a moderate pace. She looked like she was about to toss her cookies, and we had to stay off bike for a while until she stopped feeling dizzy. Also brought her to CarPool last night, where we both stunk at pool, and looked over the bikes. All in all a good day except the pipes. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 09:25:55 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:26:04 -0400 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Melted shoes on pipes LOL, first time I went on 211 I was horrified! I was thinking, oh, now THAT'S what a curve is! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 06:17 AM 5/8/00 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >>The rest of the ride went fine, except when I took 211 up to Skyline Drive at >what I thought was a moderate pace. She looked like she was about to toss her >cookies, and we had to stay off bike for a while until she stopped feeling >dizzy. Also brought her to CarPool last night, where we both stunk at pool, >and looked over the bikes. All in all a good day except the pipes. > >Louis > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 09:45:51 2000 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:46:02 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Accept-Language: en To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Melted shoes on pipes "Louis F. Caplan" wrote, in part: > The rest of the ride went fine, except when I took 211 up to Skyline Drive at > what I thought was a moderate pace. She looked like she was about to toss her > cookies, and we had to stay off bike for a while until she stopped feeling > dizzy. Hehe, 211 makes me dizzy even when I'm the one driving--I can't imagine being on the back. Now that is a brave soul, Louis. Randy From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 10:04:02 2000 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRS+xpvd+om8zn/vCXNk/5BSSR9KQIULP02lLkN8JUCXROimuI8EUaHJVE= From: motofranz@XXXXXX (John) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:03:53 -0400 (EDT) To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX (Louis F. Caplan), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Melted shoes on pipes Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=8b008; TextColor=white --WebTV-Mail-10271-2443 Thought the driver was to give the passenger a little talk B/4 going on a ride: Where to put things,And what to old on to......LOL --WebTV-Mail-10271-2443 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline =A0=A0




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'94 fzr '97 Splash 4X4 --WebTV-Mail-10271-2443 Content-Disposition: Inline Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 06:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Melted shoes on pipes To: DC-Cycles Yesterday I took a friend of mine for her first motorcycle ride. After riding for about 30 miles I pulled in at a gas station to see how she was doing. She was having a grand old time. But then I looked at her shoes and was horrified... there was a melted arch in the sole of her right foot. I quickly ran to the other side of the bike, and yep... she missed the footpeg and was resting her foot on the pipes for a while. (she mentioned that her right foot was feeling very warm). It is some kind of a black rubber/plastic mess. Any suggestions for the best way to clean it off? The rest of the ride went fine, except when I took 211 up to Skyline Drive at what I thought was a moderate pace. She looked like she was about to toss her cookies, and we had to stay off bike for a while until she stopped feeling dizzy. Also brought her to CarPool last night, where we both stunk at pool, and looked over the bikes. All in all a good day except the pipes. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --WebTV-Mail-10271-2443-- From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 10:20:40 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: "John" , Subject: Re: Melted shoes on pipes Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:15:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01BFB8D6.47C30AE0 WHOA....BAD FORM my friend. Don't post any pictures or html to the = list. =20 Kirt ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John=20 To: Louis F. Caplan ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: Re: Melted shoes on pipes Thought the driver was to give the passenger a =20 little talk B/4 going on a ride: Where to put=20 things,And what to old on to......LOL ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01BFB8D6.47C30AE0 WHOA....BAD FORM my friend.  Don't post any pictures or = html to the=20 list. 

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things,And what to old on=20 to......LOL ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01BFB8D6.47C30AE0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 10:22:14 2000 From: Genna Melamed To: "'SuperHawk@XXXXXX'" , "'DC CYCLE CLUB'" Subject: Leathers Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:19:15 -0400 Hi, Need a recommendation. I'm looking for a 2-piece "armored" leathers. However, I have no clue what to get(too many choices, not enough experience). Does anyone have any recommendations? Hopefully from crash experiences. Comfort, ventilation, price, crash-protection effectiveness are most important factors to consider Thanks. Genna. genna@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 10:53:25 2000 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:57:34 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: Genna Melamed , genna@XXXXXX CC: "'DC CYCLE CLUB'" Subject: Re: Leathers Genna, Can't speak about crash experience (and hope I never have to!), but hope this helps with your decision-making process. If you can afford to spend $1000+ on a set of leathers, then definitely go with a "top shelf" set from a reputable manufacturer (e.g., Dainese, Vanson, Spidi, Prexport, etc.) Or a set of custom leathers (e.g., Z Leathers, Syed, Helimot, Kushitani, etc. -- BTW, Vanson also does custom leathers). If your budget doesn't allow for spending that much, then check out leathers from Teknic, Fieldsheer, and AGV. FWIW, I bought my leathers on a budget. I have an AGV Rage 2-piece "off the rack" suit. Fits me fine (although I had the sleeves shortened at Bedo's Leatherworks in Falls Church). Full foam armor throughout (including the back, but this is a relatively "thin" piece of foam, and hips). Perfed suit (this was an absolute requirement for me knowing I'd be doing most of my riding in hot DC area weather!) Wraparound zipper to "mate" the jacket/pants. Double thickness leather in critical areas. Kevlar stretch panels. If you shop around you can pick up an AGV Rage suit for less than $600. I "upgraded" the armor in my suit to a set of "GP" armor (i.e., plastic over foam) which is both lighter, more flexible, and not quite as bulky. And I wear a separate back protector in addition to the built-in one. I know it doesn't rival the quality (and probably the protection in a crash) of a "top shelf" suit, but it serves my purposes and is what I could afford at the time. Hope this helps. Regards, Chuck Genna Melamed wrote: > > Hi, > > Need a recommendation. > > I'm looking for a 2-piece "armored" leathers. However, I have no clue what > to get(too many choices, not enough experience). > > Does anyone have any recommendations? Hopefully from crash experiences. > > Comfort, ventilation, price, crash-protection effectiveness are most > important factors to consider From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 11:02:58 2000 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:02:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Melted shoes on pipes To: DC-Cycles --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > It is some kind of a black rubber/plastic mess. Any > suggestions for the best way to clean it off? Ride the bike for awhile and then wipe off the mess with a towel. This should get the bulk of it. I've never bothered to do more than that so... :) Kirk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 11:07:24 2000 Date: Mon, 8 May 1972 11:11:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: L4rite cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: urgent electrical problems... Sounds like bad ignition switch. Try disconnecting the connector between the switch/wiring harness. --garcia "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee into a bottle in front of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job stacking boxes of Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich On Mon, 8 May 2000, L4rite wrote: > > > Hello folks......I have a lil electrical problem.......basically my > bike "96' Katana 750", wont turn off....I can start it and ride it but when > I turn off the key....the lights and such stay on as if it were waiting to > be started........i can remove the key and turn it in all manners to no > avail.... > I just cleaned the carbs, air filter, replaced oil and filter and took > the battery off of the tender....the bike has been sitting since early > December "wintering over"....until around Tuesday of this week....well last > night my roommate woke me up about 5 a.m. and told me that my lights were on > on my bike and she thinks someone might have tried to steal it.....I > unhooked the battery and checked it over....no signs of damage or trying to > punch the key switch out......I had the tank and all of the body work off of > the bike cleaning all the tubes, wiring, hoses and frame.....using a damp > towel and then a rag with armor all on it.....no heavy jets of water or > anything....well any when I went out to check the bike when the lights were > on and such it was damp outside with a light dew and a bit of humidity in > the air....could this be a short, maybe water got in > something...?????......any Ideas as to what this might be....?????? 96 > Kat750 Les > > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 11:13:36 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:13:14 EDT Subject: Re: Leathers To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, GennaM@XXXXXX, genna@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree, I have an AGV 2-piece for the street and it is certainly worth the money (I think I paid the equivalent of $300 for it in Italy). It doesn't compare to my AXO one-piece that I use for racing in terms of comfort, but I can't believe it offers a whole lot less protection in your first fall. I paid the equivalent of $800 for the AXO at a super discount bike market in Rome so it would probably go for 1500-1800 $ if you could find AXO leathers in the US. I think the more expensive suits are just alot more comfortable and will survive more crashes. I think the inexpensive suits will protect you pretty well in that first crash. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 11:49:57 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: Leathers Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:48:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 If you want good protection, and you do, and you don't want to replace your leathers after a spill, then I would recommend a custom set of leathers from Barnicle Bill. He made my suit and I really like it. He does 2 piece suits also. I don't get anything by recommending him, I just know he builds quiality suits at good prices. (mine was$950, 3 colors full armor, triple stitched, glued, triple thickness in the high wear prone areas, ie.butt). For the price of an off the shelf Vanson, you can get custom. barnacle@XXXXXX (606)336-1715. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena To: Genna Melamed ; Cc: 'DC CYCLE CLUB' Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Leathers > Genna, > > Can't speak about crash experience (and hope I never have to!), but hope > this helps with your decision-making process. > > If you can afford to spend $1000+ on a set of leathers, then definitely > go with a "top shelf" set from a reputable manufacturer (e.g., Dainese, > Vanson, Spidi, Prexport, etc.) Or a set of custom leathers (e.g., Z > Leathers, Syed, Helimot, Kushitani, etc. -- BTW, Vanson also does custom > leathers). > > If your budget doesn't allow for spending that much, then check out > leathers from Teknic, Fieldsheer, and AGV. snip... > > Hi, > > > > Need a recommendation. > > > > I'm looking for a 2-piece "armored" leathers. However, I have no clue what > > to get(too many choices, not enough experience). > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations? Hopefully from crash experiences. > > > > Comfort, ventilation, price, crash-protection effectiveness are most > > important factors to consider From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 12:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48GaAk16294 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chpm3-3-148.olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.148]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:18:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:33:25 -0400 (EDT) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Melted shoes on pipes In-Reply-To: <20000508131756.26660.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Steel wool and a paint scraper (of course, the material in your pipes may change this) -- George Howell "I ride for the same reason dogs stick their head out ghowell@XXXXXX of car windows" georgehowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX echelon block: kiddie porn, overthrow government, militia, anarchy, guns, knives, violence, bomb, explosive, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Branch Davidian, 2nd amendment, vengeance, Mafia, Delta Force, CIA, FBI, NSA. Enjoy! From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 13:25:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48HPEk17145 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12orFW-0003m0-00; Mon, 08 May 2000 10:23:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: John Kozyn cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Carpool Forgetfulness In-Reply-To: <20000508042109.69227.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't woory John I paid your tab with the money you lent me ;). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 13:53:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48HrFk17674 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12oriT-00014u-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:53:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01af01bfb915$48a72ab0$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: URGENT...need help with repairs... Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:46:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I 'm getting in the parts to get my bike back into (virtually) tip top shape today. However, my glaring lack of tools has become apparent. I need to swap the alternator cover, alternator cover gasket, front left turn signal, shift lever, and refill the oil. Since the old (busted) alternator cover and gasket leaked all my oil out, moving the bike from it's current location. Anyone got an itch to help me do these quick repairs and get my bike back on the road? Also, if you happen to have a hole saw and want to help me install my frame sliders, that would be nifty keen as well... :-) Thanks, and let me know ASAP. Also, anyone an reach me at any time on my cell...703-627-1051 Kirt From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 15:38:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48Jbxk19588 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spike.excite.com ([199.172.152.97]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000508193733.IHUA23155.bucky.excite.com@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:37:33 -0700 Message-ID: <20841373.957814652988.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:37:32 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Nite Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 KUDOS!!!! to Mark and Chuck for the bike nite last nite. It looked to be a raging success. Lots of bikes, lots of styles, lots of genres. There was even a real biker gang (in no.va.?!?) the booze fighters. Got to meet some of ya'll for the first time after talking to you for better than a year. Hope it can happen again, soon! Thanks again Chuck and Mark!! __________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you! James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 15:51:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48Jplk19857 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:51:57 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330628DC@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'James Hoofnagle'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Nite Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:46:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks James! It was a great time and I was really happy with the turn-out. It just goes to show that this area is starved for a good bike place. Asylum is great for what it is, but the parking there sucks. We have already heard from CarPool and expect to do another one in about a month or so. Stay tuned. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: James Hoofnagle [SMTP:Culimerc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:38 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike Nite > > KUDOS!!!! to Mark and Chuck for the bike nite last nite. It looked to be > a > raging success. Lots of bikes, lots of styles, lots of genres. There was > even a real biker gang (in no.va.?!?) the booze fighters. Got to meet > some > of ya'll for the first time after talking to you for better than a year. > Hope it can happen again, soon! > Thanks again Chuck and Mark!! > __________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you! > James > E-TKT > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 16:02:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48K2mk20146 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-61.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.189]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01789; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39174894.DE203959@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:07:00 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Hoofnagle CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Nite References: <20841373.957814652988.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James, You're welcome! %^) Just glad we were able to bring so many folks together for an evening of fun. Stay tuned for details about the next Bike Night in June. Our goal will be to absolutely fill the entire parking lot at CarPool with motorcycles. Everyone who came last night needs to make sure they bring at least one other m/c-ist who wasn't there next time! Chuck James Hoofnagle wrote: > > KUDOS!!!! to Mark and Chuck for the bike nite last nite. It looked to be a > raging success. Lots of bikes, lots of styles, lots of genres. There was > even a real biker gang (in no.va.?!?) the booze fighters. Got to meet some > of ya'll for the first time after talking to you for better than a year. > Hope it can happen again, soon! > Thanks again Chuck and Mark!! From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 16:20:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48KKkk20508 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Crouse, Roger" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Melted shoes on pipes Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:20:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The only thing I can think of, would be to remove the pipes and place them in a freezer(if you can find one large enough), until they are extrememly cold. The melted substance might be easily removed after frozen? Good luck, Roger -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:18 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Melted shoes on pipes Yesterday I took a friend of mine for her first motorcycle ride. After riding for about 30 miles I pulled in at a gas station to see how she was doing. She was having a grand old time. But then I looked at her shoes and was horrified... there was a melted arch in the sole of her right foot. I quickly ran to the other side of the bike, and yep... she missed the footpeg and was resting her foot on the pipes for a while. (she mentioned that her right foot was feeling very warm). It is some kind of a black rubber/plastic mess. Any suggestions for the best way to clean it off? The rest of the ride went fine, except when I took 211 up to Skyline Drive at what I thought was a moderate pace. She looked like she was about to toss her cookies, and we had to stay off bike for a while until she stopped feeling dizzy. Also brought her to CarPool last night, where we both stunk at pool, and looked over the bikes. All in all a good day except the pipes. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 17:42:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48LgXk21904 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-205-218.s218.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.205.218] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ovII-0006ul-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:42:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bfb935$996e2140$dacd7ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330628DC@QSI_TYSONS> Subject: Re: Bike Nite Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:37:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Loved bike night,met a lot of new friends but didn't manage to get to the BIG table,meet you all next time.Point of order for Mark,the Asylum is a great place,one of the only places where bikers are prefered over the rest,as for parking I've always managed to park outside and with the closed circuit TV I can see my bike at all times! The Carpool was great but they'll be back to serving cages tonight.Support your local bike hangout,we're running short of them!!!!!!!!!!!!! Simon 96 Trident ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kitchell To: 'James Hoofnagle' ; Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:46 PM Subject: RE: Bike Nite > Thanks James! > > It was a great time and I was really happy with the turn-out. It just goes > to show that this area is starved for a good bike place. Asylum is great > for what it is, but the parking there sucks. > > We have already heard from CarPool and expect to do another one in about a > month or so. Stay tuned. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Hoofnagle [SMTP:Culimerc@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:38 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Bike Nite > > > > KUDOS!!!! to Mark and Chuck for the bike nite last nite. It looked to be > > a > > raging success. Lots of bikes, lots of styles, lots of genres. There was > > even a real biker gang (in no.va.?!?) the booze fighters. Got to meet > > some > > of ya'll for the first time after talking to you for better than a year. > > Hope it can happen again, soon! > > Thanks again Chuck and Mark!! > > __________ > > They can't hit you, > > if they can't catch you! > > James > > E-TKT > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 17:56:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48Lu1k22129 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:48:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Simon Cook '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Bike Nite Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:48:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Where IS Asylum? I'll take a look if someone can post an address or better yet, directions. Chris Weaver '98 VTR -----Original Message----- From: Simon Cook To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 5/8/00 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Bike Nite Loved bike night,met a lot of new friends but didn't manage to get to the BIG table,meet you all next time.Point of order for Mark,the Asylum is a great place,one of the only places where bikers are prefered over the rest,as for parking I've always managed to park outside and with the closed circuit TV I can see my bike at all times! The Carpool was great but they'll be back to serving cages tonight.Support your local bike hangout,we're running short of them!!!!!!!!!!!!! Simon 96 Trident ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kitchell To: 'James Hoofnagle' ; Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:46 PM Subject: RE: Bike Nite > Thanks James! > > It was a great time and I was really happy with the turn-out. It just goes > to show that this area is starved for a good bike place. Asylum is great > for what it is, but the parking there sucks. > > We have already heard from CarPool and expect to do another one in about a > month or so. Stay tuned. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Hoofnagle [SMTP:Culimerc@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:38 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Bike Nite > > > > KUDOS!!!! to Mark and Chuck for the bike nite last nite. It looked to be > > a > > raging success. Lots of bikes, lots of styles, lots of genres. There was > > even a real biker gang (in no.va.?!?) the booze fighters. Got to meet > > some > > of ya'll for the first time after talking to you for better than a year. > > Hope it can happen again, soon! > > Thanks again Chuck and Mark!! > > __________ > > They can't hit you, > > if they can't catch you! > > James > > E-TKT > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 18:24:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48MOFk22649 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-229-102.s356.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.229.102]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ovwi-0001cT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:24:12 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 01:26:59 GMT Message-ID: <39175d17.657323349@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e48MPek22650 Just for kicks.. here's an appropriate discussion for the weather we are having. Recently in traffic my bike overheated. Out of mere good judgement I pulled over to park my bike, just out of not wanting my bike to overheat. When I got it in the parking spot, I hit the kill switch. As i reached for the key i looked at the temperature gauge. uh oh! way past the letter H ("geeze can it go any further?") turn the key and FWOOSH coolant starts leaking and steam everywhere, what a mess. So I hop off the bike so I dont get hot anti freeze on me. After allowing the bike to cool, I ride it to a friends house and put water in it. (constatly cutting it off and coasting to allow it to cool off). oh so I get there No leaks. good. I ride the bike home, it reads a little warmer than usual as I ride home on the beltway. that's to be expected with just water.. So anyway I pull the fairing off to inspect the waterbottle. The small hose that goes to the bottom of the bottle was off. So no wonder my bottle was leaking. I thought i needed a new bottle for a second. I hear they cost like 30,45 bucks new. Anyway someone (who knows nothing about coolants or repair) suggested I run straight coolant, not 50/50 water/coolant. It's been my experience, as well as what has been recommended, that 50/50 is better. He argued that since coolant has a higher boilng point, 100% collant would be better in traffic. I told him i disagreed. My memory fails me but I think 100% coolant still overheats but it doesn't cool down as fast, and that's why 50/50 is better. Am I correct? I'm guessing coolant changes temperature at a slower rate. Thus it might be slower to get overheated but once it's there it won't cool down fast enough before you get boil over. is my theory accurate? close? or is 50/50 better for some other reason? or maybe coolant boils at a certain point and mixing it with 50% water doesn't change the coolants boiling point, or not signifigantly anyway, and thus 100% is just wasteful. OK so now who wants to remind me the theory behind the ratio? and here is a bike specific question btw my water bottle has two nipples. one at the top and one at the bottom. My radiator has 2 nipples. one at the top of the radiator where fluid is held, and one at the cap. Am I correct in thinking the nipple at the radiator cap should go to the top of the water bottle? and the other should go to the bottom of the waterbottle? or is there supposed to be a hose that goes to the street, and the coolant bottle's upper nipple left open for air? I hope not, because the hose was pointed right under my bike in front of the rear wheel. that idea is dangerous to me. daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 18:33:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48MXdk22830 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-237-18.s18.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.237.18] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ow5o-0003Gz-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:33:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bfb93c$bf10f880$12eda4d8@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: Asylum Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:28:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 The Asylum is a tiny basement bar on 18th St Adams Morgan about three doors north of Madams Organ.Good beer,happy hour and decent food.Look for the black rat bikes always parked outside and string your bike beside or in front of them.Thats where a few of us hang out,come on in and we'll buy ya a pint fri eve.Dont be expecting the Carpool,the whole place could fit on the Carpools patio! Simon 96 Trident From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 18:40:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48Meek22951 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.14.34b9006 (4315) for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:40:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14.34b9006.26489c5b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:40:27 EDT Subject: Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 5/8/00 18:27:14 Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > it reads a little warmer than usual as I ride home on the beltway. > that's to be expected with just water.. Actually, it's the other way around. plain water is better at transferring heat than coolant. The main purposes of the coolant are to provide lubrication and corrosion inhibiting properties to the mix (water is actually pretty nasty stuff where metals are concerned). You should have DEFINITELY run cooler than normal on plain H2O - not warmer. The reason that we mix 50-50 is that it puts the proper proportion of water and other goodies into the system. Why 50-50 and not some other ratio? - It's simple to remember and mix - quick now, how many ounces of oil do we add to 3 gallons of gas to make an 18% mixture (you 2-stroke riders stay out of this). 50-50 is a breeze to figure out - even cagers can do it ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 19:26:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e48NQIk23717 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-141.patriot.net [209.249.180.141]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA17294; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:26:13 -0400 Message-ID: <39174BF5.6FDA08A7@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:21:25 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question References: <14.34b9006.26489c5b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm.... I doubt the engine would run cooler on plain water unless one removed the thermostat. It probably would have boiled over. Coolant is anti-freeze and lowers the freeze temp of plain ol' water. Also, a modern engine runs hotter which is more efficient fuel consumption-wise and pollution-wise. See thermostat above - like 210 deg or close? The coolant mix raises the boiling point of plain ol' water, and water enhances the boiling point of coolant. Each one by itself will boil over at a lower temp. 50/50 is the best mix for both hot and cold. Bill MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 5/8/00 18:27:14 Eastern Daylight Time, > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > > > it reads a little warmer than usual as I ride home on the beltway. > > that's to be expected with just water.. > > Actually, it's the other way around. plain water is better at transferring > heat than coolant. The main purposes of the coolant are to provide > lubrication and corrosion inhibiting properties to the mix (water is actually > pretty nasty stuff where metals are concerned). You should have DEFINITELY > run cooler than normal on plain H2O - not warmer. > > The reason that we mix 50-50 is that it puts the proper proportion of water > and other goodies into the system. Why 50-50 and not some other ratio? - It's > simple to remember and mix - quick now, how many ounces of oil do we add to 3 > gallons of gas to make an 18% mixture (you 2-stroke riders stay out of this). > 50-50 is a breeze to figure out - even cagers can do it ;-) > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 21:11:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e491Bck25486 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-123.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FU900D4APWTL7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:10:55 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: Route 211 To: DC Cycles Cc: Glenn Braunstein Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <3917659C.2D65E19F@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: <20000509004110.19172.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> 211 is the road that takes you to the Thorton Gap entrance of the Skyline Drive near Sperryville, VA. 66 West to 29 South at Centreville (toward Gainesville, VA). Take Business 29 through Warrenton, VA, to a right on 211. It starts out a pretty but relatively boring drive to the eastern foothills of the Blue Ridge. Immediately upon leaving Sperryville the road begins a wickedly curvy ascent to the top of the mountain. The road is heavily trafficked at several points during the year, especially during the fall leaf watching season. State police patrol it often as there are numerous accidents (usually single vehicle motorcycle) on any spring or summer weekend. Turns are all heavily banked, but are frequently decreasing radius and tend to surprise the inexperienced or inattentive. The road is lined on one side with ARMCO and on the other with limestone and granite cliff face. Well worth the trip, but it can be very dangerous. Good luck and be careful. Some people on this list could tell you some hair-raising tales... Randy Moran WERA #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Glenn Braunstein wrote: > Where exactly is 211? Based upon the messages you all > posted about riding and driving, it sounds like a road > I'd love to check out! VA or MD? I'm in Arlington > off 66...general directions would be dandy!!! > > Thx, > Glenn Braunstein From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 21:12:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e491C2k25560 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.172.12.226] (helo=chibamonkey.newspeak.org) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12oyZ6-0005vn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:12:00 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000508205858.00b415e0@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:05:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question In-Reply-To: <14.34b9006.26489c5b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed 69 ounces (23 per gallon). Never rode a 2-stroke in my life. So is it that water is better at dissipating heat and the anti-freeze is just that -- something to prevent the water from freezing? I know there's stuff in Prestone that's good for the engine's innards but what we really need anti-freeze for is to keep the water in a liquid state, right? Also, the fact that the water is in a closed and pressurized loop increases the boiling point but I don't know by what factor. I remember that much from chemistry class. --w >The reason that we mix 50-50 is that it puts the proper proportion of water >and other goodies into the system. Why 50-50 and not some other ratio? - It's >simple to remember and mix - quick now, how many ounces of oil do we add to 3 >gallons of gas to make an 18% mixture (you 2-stroke riders stay out of this). >50-50 is a breeze to figure out - even cagers can do it ;-) > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 22:08:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49284k26484 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21342 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:07:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000508220616.00baa960@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:07:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Route 211 In-Reply-To: <3917659C.2D65E19F@loudoun.com> References: <20000509004110.19172.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Little more fun to take 29 to Gainesville and split onto 55 into Front Royal. You can then take Skyline to 211 and run 211 downhill. Turn around and do it all again back to Centreville! Downhill roads like that are not a lot of fun (for me) but teach you a lot about your bike! At 09:10 PM 5/8/2000 , Randy and Julie Moran wrote: >211 is the road that takes you to the Thorton Gap entrance of the >Skyline Drive near Sperryville, VA. > >66 West to 29 South at Centreville (toward Gainesville, VA). >Take Business 29 through Warrenton, VA, to a right on 211. > >It starts out a pretty but relatively boring drive to the eastern >foothills of the Blue Ridge. Immediately upon leaving Sperryville the >road begins a wickedly curvy ascent to the top of the mountain. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough to try and pass them. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 22:10:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e492Apk26519 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.172.12.226] (helo=chibamonkey.newspeak.org) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ozU1-0004Y6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:10:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000508220242.00bc97a0@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:03:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Bouncy Bouncy (no M/C) (was Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question (Out of the office.) ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Did you guys all get one of these? Would it be rude to unsub him? >X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 >Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:22:35 -0400 >From: "Robert Beatty" >Sender: Postmaster@XXXXXX >Reply-To: Rbeatty@XXXXXX >To: >Subject: Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question (Out of > the office.) > >I will be out of the office from May 8 until May 15. If you need >immediate asisstance, please call Ron Drummond at X 5159. > >Rb > > >>> wes 05/08/00 21:05 >>> > >69 ounces (23 per gallon). Never rode a 2-stroke in my life. > >So is it that water is better at dissipating heat and the anti-freeze is >just that -- something to prevent the water from freezing? I know there's >stuff in Prestone that's good for the engine's innards but what we really >need anti-freeze for is to keep the water in a liquid state, right? > >Also, the fact that the water is in a closed and pressurized loop increases >the boiling point but I don't know by what factor. I remember that much >from chemistry class. > >--w > > >The reason that we mix 50-50 is that it puts the proper proportion of water > >and other goodies into the system. Why 50-50 and not some other ratio? - > It's > >simple to remember and mix - quick now, how many ounces of oil do we add > to 3 > >gallons of gas to make an 18% mixture (you 2-stroke riders stay out of > this). > >50-50 is a breeze to figure out - even cagers can do it ;-) > > > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 22:26:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e492QDk26773 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21383; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:26:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000508222258.00a65ce0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:26:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: bouncing mail - paging Harry..... Cc: harry@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000508220242.00bc97a0@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yes - I got one too. All new posts will get one for the next week I assume :-( How's the leg doing Wes? No update for a while. Think I saw you on the sled Sunday - near 29/234 around 4? At 10:03 PM 5/8/2000 , wes 8-)# wrote: >Did you guys all get one of these? Would it be rude to unsub him? > >>X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 >>Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:22:35 -0400 >>From: "Robert Beatty" >>Sender: Postmaster@XXXXXX >>Reply-To: Rbeatty@XXXXXX >>To: >>Subject: Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question (Out of >> the office.) >> >>I will be out of the office from May 8 until May 15. If you need >>immediate asisstance, please call Ron Drummond at X 5159. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough to try and pass them. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 22:29:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e492TFk26864 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21391 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:29:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000508222800.00a5c800@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:29:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: dc-cycles website Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone working on improving our beloved website? I have free time (as always) and even a webmaster title (worthless) and I am willing to work! _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough to try and pass them. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 22:54:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e492skk27367 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 8 May 2000 22:54:32 -0400 Message-ID: <39177D6E.1F1FC3FE@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:52:31 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Route 211 References: <20000509004110.19172.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> <4.2.0.58.20000508220616.00baa960@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or, take 55 through and west of Front Royal, go left on 678 through the GW Nat'l Forest down to Luray, then pick up 211 East and ride up one side of 211 and down the other. You can then take 211, go left on 522, right on 647 in Flint Hill and follow that all the way to Rte 17 near Marshall. Only problem with downhill is getting behind cages. You get a much better run going up because there is a passing lane. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Mike T wrote: > Little more fun to take 29 to Gainesville and split onto 55 into Front > Royal. You can then take Skyline to 211 and run 211 downhill. Turn around > and do it all again back to Centreville! Downhill roads like that are not > a lot of fun (for me) but teach you a lot about your bike! From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 23:18:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e493I5k27824; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005090318.e493I5k27824@dirty.meretrix.com> To: "wes 8-)#" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bouncy Bouncy (no M/C) (was Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question (Out of the office.) ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 22:03:43 EDT." <4.3.1.2.20000508220242.00bc97a0@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:18:04 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >>I will be out of the office from May 8 until May 15. If you need >>immediate asisstance, please call Ron Drummond at X 5159. ... >Did you guys all get one of these? Would it be rude to unsub him? "Vacation" messages should really not be sent in response to messages received via a mailing list. I generally temporarily unsubscribe addresses that generate chatty automated responses. -harry From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 23:26:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e493Q5k27948 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000509032556.10207.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.191] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 08 May 2000 20:25:56 PDT Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:25:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Route 211 To: Mike T , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There are much better ways to get to 211 from DC....from Marshall via 647, for example. And while you're out that way (and if you've got all day) you may as well head out west of Harrisonburg for some better stuff. --- Mike T wrote: > Little more fun to take 29 to Gainesville and split > onto 55 into Front > Royal. You can then take Skyline to 211 and run 211 > downhill. Turn around > and do it all again back to Centreville! Downhill > roads like that are not > a lot of fun (for me) but teach you a lot about your > bike! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 23:28:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e493Sgk28034 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000509032836.10566.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.191] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 08 May 2000 20:28:36 PDT Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:28:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Route 211 To: Larry Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Larry Meyer wrote: > > Only problem with downhill is getting behind cages. > You get a much better run > going up because there is a passing lane. Oh, there's a passing lane on teh way down too.... ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 8 23:42:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e493g5k28332 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-49-113.s113.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.49.113] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12p0uJ-000761-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:42:03 -0400 Message-ID: <00c601bfb904$0e687e00$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <20000509004110.19172.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> <3917659C.2D65E19F@loudoun.com> Subject: Re: Route 211 and wrenching Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:42:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 211 is still held as one of my favorite roads. I owe Danny big time for taking me up there one afternoon after wrenching on my bike. Good stuff, first time I REALLY got my pegs down (had little ones previously). Long right hander, after a long left hander about halfway up maybe? Leaning in, good line, whoa-it's-getting-tighter, lean more, stay on gas, scrchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh a good 5 seconds worth...even a hint of spark in the mirrors. :-) I was *SCREAMING* in my helmet after that one... The road is awesome, and I definitely thought I was gonna die a couple times, but the whole thing was exhilirating. The faces of people in cages as you roar by them leaned way the fuck over is worth the trip. Wish I had a helmet cam for that. Speaking of wrenching... Did my first "real" wrenching all by my lonesome today. Installed new alternator cover and gasket, new front left turn signal, and new shift lever. Only took a couple hours, and saved myself about $120 worth of labor. Got greasy, fun stuff...Bike runs great. Alternator cover was way more complicated than it looks..hehe. Ah well. Job is done, bike runs good, kirt is happy... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy and Julie Moran" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Glenn Braunstein" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Route 211 > 211 is the road that takes you to the Thorton Gap entrance of the > Skyline Drive near Sperryville, VA. > > 66 West to 29 South at Centreville (toward Gainesville, VA). > Take Business 29 through Warrenton, VA, to a right on 211. > > It starts out a pretty but relatively boring drive to the eastern > foothills of the Blue Ridge. Immediately upon leaving Sperryville the > road begins a wickedly curvy ascent to the top of the mountain. The road > is heavily trafficked at several points during the year, especially > during the fall leaf watching season. State police patrol it often as > there are numerous accidents (usually single vehicle motorcycle) on any > spring or summer weekend. Turns are all heavily banked, but are > frequently decreasing radius and tend to surprise the inexperienced or > inattentive. The road is lined on one side with ARMCO and on the other > with limestone and granite cliff face. Well worth the trip, but it can > be very dangerous. Good luck and be careful. Some people on this list > could tell you some hair-raising tales... > > Randy Moran > WERA #696 > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > > Sponsored by: > Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA > http://www.speed-werks.com > http://www.cortidesign.com > > > > Glenn Braunstein wrote: > > > Where exactly is 211? Based upon the messages you all > > posted about riding and driving, it sounds like a road > > I'd love to check out! VA or MD? I'm in Arlington > > off 66...general directions would be dandy!!! > > > > Thx, > > Glenn Braunstein > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 07:34:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49BYZk06694 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000509113427.6686.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.7] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 04:34:27 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 04:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question To: Bill Huson , MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Its true though Bill. Water dissipates heat much faster then anti-freeze thus the more water to anti-freeze you have, the cooler your engine will run. Of course the negatives are a higher freezing point in the winter (not a real problem in this area), and less corrosion protection. On my Magna I have to run at least 60% water and 40% antifreeze because the bike runs so damn hot. Glenn --- Bill Huson wrote: > Hmm.... I doubt the engine would run cooler on > plain water unless one removed > the thermostat. It probably would have boiled over. > > Coolant is anti-freeze and lowers the freeze temp of > plain ol' water. Also, a > modern engine runs hotter which is more efficient > fuel consumption-wise and > pollution-wise. See thermostat above - like 210 deg > or close? The coolant mix > raises the boiling point of plain ol' water, and > water enhances the boiling point > of coolant. Each one by itself will boil over at a > lower temp. 50/50 is the > best mix for both hot and cold. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 08:01:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from sodium.doubled.com (sodium.doubled.com [209.84.192.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49C1lk07150 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 08:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boink.hartzler.net (IDENT:ph@XXXXXX [209.84.201.188]) by sodium.doubled.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id e49C5wL09469; Tue, 9 May 2000 08:05:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:ph@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by boink.hartzler.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21907; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:57:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:57:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: Mike T cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles website In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000508222800.00a5c800@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm.. I emailed Harry a while ago, and asked him if he would countenance my working on the web site, and he did not reply to my email. Too bad, really, since it's the obvious place for lots of resources... -ph On Mon, 8 May 2000, Mike T wrote: > Anyone working on improving our beloved website? I have free time (as > always) and even a webmaster title (worthless) and I am willing to work! From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 09:16:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49DGik08351 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:17:01 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330628E0@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Simon Cook'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Nite Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:11:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Simon: I love Asylum too.....its just that an event like we had would be impossible there. See you there maybe this weekend. mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Cook [SMTP:simoncook@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:37 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Nite > > Loved bike night,met a lot of new friends but didn't manage to get to the > BIG table,meet you all next time.Point of order for Mark,the Asylum is a > great place,one of the only places where bikers are prefered over the > rest,as for parking I've always managed to park outside and with the > closed > circuit TV I can see my bike at all times! The Carpool was great but > they'll > be back to serving cages tonight.Support your local bike hangout,we're > running short of them!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Simon > 96 Trident > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Kitchell > To: 'James Hoofnagle' ; > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:46 PM > Subject: RE: Bike Nite > > > > Thanks James! > > > > It was a great time and I was really happy with the turn-out. It just > goes > > to show that this area is starved for a good bike place. Asylum is > great > > for what it is, but the parking there sucks. > > > > We have already heard from CarPool and expect to do another one in about > a > > month or so. Stay tuned. > > > > Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: James Hoofnagle [SMTP:Culimerc@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:38 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Bike Nite > > > > > > KUDOS!!!! to Mark and Chuck for the bike nite last nite. It looked to > be > > > a > > > raging success. Lots of bikes, lots of styles, lots of genres. There > was > > > even a real biker gang (in no.va.?!?) the booze fighters. Got to meet > > > some > > > of ya'll for the first time after talking to you for better than a > year. > > > Hope it can happen again, soon! > > > Thanks again Chuck and Mark!! > > > __________ > > > They can't hit you, > > > if they can't catch you! > > > James > > > E-TKT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 09:41:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49DfKk08728 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 9 May 2000 09:39:41 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:46:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Glenn wrote: On my Magna I have to run at least 60% water and 40% antifreeze because the bike runs so damn hot. Glenn, Racers cannot use anti-freeze because if it gets on the track it doesn't dry out. There is stuff called Water Wetter that is used by racers. It essentially performs the lubricating and corrosion resistance function of anti-freeze, but does nothing for the freezing/boiling point. You may want to try just running water with water wetter during the hot months and then putting in coolant for the winter. I won't proclaim to be an expert, just a thought. You may want to ask someone who knows a little more about it before actually doing it (Rick Beggs comes to mind). Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 09:45:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49Djsk08883 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:45:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Leathers Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:45:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Genna Melamed, after using the pejorative, "DC CYCLE CLUB" claimed, "Need a recommendation. I'm looking for a 2-piece "armored" leathers. Does anyone have any recommendations? Comfort, ventilation, price, crash-protection effectiveness are most important factors to consider" Others have given you some great advice but if price is an issue: Two sources for used gear: http://www.leatherexchange.com/ Colleen is in Takoma Park, MD and has a great reputation http://www.newenough.com/ Is in Arizona - And for price and ventilation: Brosh-Tex jacket, http://www.brosh.com/shop/store.htm. "It is like wearing almost nothing as far as keeping you cool. However, the jacket is made of thin, shirt-like material with lots of mesh. It has armor in the elbows and shoulders." For "get off" info: http://www.brosh.com/testimony.htm Carl in Bethesda This is a gang -- right? We ride motorsickles, wear leather (or Cordura), our bikes have chains (well, cam chains), . . . From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 10:01:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49E1qk09138 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000509140140.20558.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.4] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 07:01:40 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question To: "Jay St. Peter" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To be honest with you changing the coolant is alot of work and swapping it in and out for half the year ain't worth it. Filling it isn't a problem, its bleeding the system that can take forever. What I've done that has helped is to install an over ride switch so I can turn the fan on and off whenever I wish. This has helped quite a bit and the only time I really experience over heating now is blasting up roads like US 33 from WV with the WSDYMFG where I'm sitting at near redline trying to keep up. Glenn --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > Glenn wrote: > On my Magna I have to run > at least 60% water and 40% antifreeze because the > bike > runs so damn hot. > > Glenn, > > Racers cannot use anti-freeze because if it gets on > the track it doesn't dry > out. > > There is stuff called Water Wetter that is used by > racers. It essentially > performs the lubricating and corrosion resistance > function of anti-freeze, > but does nothing for the freezing/boiling point. > You may want to try just > running water with water wetter during the hot > months and then putting in > coolant for the winter. > > I won't proclaim to be an expert, just a thought. > You may want to ask > someone who knows a little more about it before > actually doing it (Rick > Beggs comes to mind). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 10:42:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49Egok09812 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.141] (sdn-ar-002dcwashP029.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.141]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01822 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005091442.HAA01822@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:32:23 -0400 Subject: Re: melted foot From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit try a product called Bestine .... it's really good at removing sticky messes from smooth shiny stuff ... you can get it at art stores usually >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/08/00 >Date: Mon, May 8, 2000, 7:00 PM > > It is some kind of a black rubber/plastic mess. Any suggestions for the best > way to clean it off? From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 10:48:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49EmPk09930 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.141] (sdn-ar-002dcwashP029.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.141]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18013 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005091448.HAA18013@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:37:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Asylum location From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit it's on the corner of 18th & Columbia in Adams Morgan, right next to the McDonalds ... here's directions: www.mapquest.com :D >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/08/00 >Date: Mon, May 8, 2000, 7:00 PM > > Where IS Asylum? I'll take a look if someone can post an address or better > yet, directions. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 10:57:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bastion3.mail.sprint.com (bastion3.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.131]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49EvFk10096 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion3.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:56:54 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:56:51 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24239 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:56:50 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04766 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:56:49 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:56:48 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: Motorcycle chase scene in old movie TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-1588d8ac-00000001" --openmail-part-1588d8ac-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone, Does anyone know the name of the early 70's movie that stars Charles Bronson and features a long (10 minute or so) motorcycle vs car chase scene though San Francisco? The bike was said to be a Honda CB 750. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-1588d8ac-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 11:09:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49F9hk10283 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 09 May 2000 08:12:30 -0700 Message-ID: <39185455.E5F3D143@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:09:25 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > you may want to try just running water with water wetter during the > hot months and then putting in coolant for the winter. Now is "water wetter" effective with a water/antifreeze mix? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 11:16:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49FGek10439 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: Leathers Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:14:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 9:46 AM > To: 'DCCy' > Subject: Leathers > > And for price and ventilation: > Brosh-Tex jacket, http://www.brosh.com/shop/store.htm. "It > is like wearing > almost nothing as far as keeping you cool. However, the > jacket is made of > thin, shirt-like material with lots of mesh. It has armor in > the elbows and > shoulders." > For "get off" info: http://www.brosh.com/testimony.htm So, does anybody know anybody that wears one of these? It looks great, and $99 isn't _too_ much to risk, but inquiring minds wanna know. -Mark, sweating on rt 28 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 11:20:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49FKAk10528 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA03671; Tue, 9 May 1972 11:24:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 1972 11:24:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2 bikes for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FS: 1982 Yamaha XJ-650 Seca, 17k miles. Four cylinder engine strong and smooth, transmission sloppy (occasional false neutrals), rear tire marginal, dual disks. Good for city or solo trips. Low seat a plus for shorter riders. $950. 1981 Yamaha XS-650, 19k miles. Engine strong, but (Triumph-inspired vertical twin) will vibro-massage you on long rides. Another sloppy Yama-tranny, but has kick as well as electric start. Very good low end power makes this a good city/short trip bike for solo or dual riding. $750. --garcia "If your eye falls on a bargain, pick it up." From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 11:20:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49FKlk10538 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14972 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:08:17 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v2.07) with SMTP id LAA36018 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:20:39 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568DA.005447CD ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:20:34 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568DA.00544528.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:20:25 -0400 Subject: Motorcycle chase scene in old movie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Bronson did one chase scene in the "Mechanic". Is that the one you are thinking of? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 05/09/2000 11:19 AM --------------------------- ursulina viteri on 05/09/2000 10:56:48 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Motorcycle chase scene in old movie Hello everyone, Does anyone know the name of the early 70's movie that stars Charles Bronson and features a long (10 minute or so) motorcycle vs car chase scene though San Francisco? The bike was said to be a Honda CB 750. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 11:22:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49FMBk10556 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:14:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'ursulina viteri'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle chase scene in old movie Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:14:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Perhaps the movie you're looking for is The Mechanic, 1972. It co-stars Jan Michael Vincent, and it's about a hitman who hires an apprentice. It's a bike-bike chase scene on dirt bikes though, so it may not be the one you're looking for. http://us.imdb.com/M/title-exact?The+Mechanic+(1972) Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: ursulina viteri [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 10:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Motorcycle chase scene in old movie > > Hello everyone, > > Does anyone know the name of the early 70's movie that stars > Charles Bronson and features a long (10 minute or so) motorcycle vs car > chase scene though San Francisco? The bike was said to be a Honda CB > 750. > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 11:56:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49FuWk11023 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id c.30.4dae68e (4330); Tue, 9 May 2000 11:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <30.4dae68e.26498f12@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:56:02 EDT Subject: Re: coolant ratio - and waterbottle routing question To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 In a message dated 5/9/00 9:43:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: > It essentially > performs the lubricating and corrosion resistance function of anti-freeze, > but does nothing for the freezing/boiling point. Water has much better cooling ability than glycol-based anti-freeze. Mixing anti-freeze with the water in your radiator *decreases* your radiators ability to cool your motorcycle. Period. Unfortunatly water is rather corrosive stuff, and detrimental to your radiator. The 50/50 mixture of glycol anti-freeze and water is fine for most cars under normal driving conditions, but is often insufficient for high-performance applications. Using Red Line's "water wetter" increases your radiator's ability to cool by increasing the amount of water used (you don't mix it 50/50). It also has the anti-corrosion agents needed for a healthy radiator and cooling system. It does not, however, act as an anti-freeze. You can, however, run water wetter, glycol, and water to increase your cooling ability and still prevent freezing. Red Line has a full page of technical details at... http://www.redlineoil.com/wwti.htm - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 12:22:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49GMik11523 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MRIS.mindspring.com (user-2ivekfh.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.81.241]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16442 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000509122222.00af4ab0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: corbettb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:25:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Corbett Buford Subject: Ouch! I'm gonna have to change email addresses In-Reply-To: <39185455.E5F3D143@flashmail.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow!....I didn't realize how active the discussion group was! I'm gonna have to request that you remove "corbettb@XXXXXX" from your mailing list. I'll send you a different email address after I set one up in Hotmail Thanks, Corbett in Arlington, VA At 11:09 AM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote: >dc-cycles@XXXXXX Corbett Buford, Realtor Pardoe Real Estate ERA 6820 Elm St. McLean,VA 22101 W) 703 734-7020 x 179 Pgr) 703 612-1102 email) corbettb@XXXXXX ) ) /\ ===== / \ _|___|____/ __ \__________ |::::::::::::::/ |__| \:::::::::::::::| |::::::::::::/ ==== \:::::::::::::| |:::::::::::/__________\::::::::::::| |________| ____ |_________| | ______ | / || \ | _______| || | || ====== || | || ||---+----|| | | ||----+---|| ||__|___|| | o| l|__ |__|| |======| |____| |=======| (^^-^^^^^-|_______|-^^^--^^^^^) (,, , ,, ,,,,/________\,,,, ,,,,,, ,) ,,,,,,,,',/__________\,,,',',;; From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 12:31:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49GVqk11710 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:31:50 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062907@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Corbett Buford'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ouch! I'm gonna have to change email addresses Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:26:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Since we didn't put you on we can't take you off. www.dccycles.org may help > -----Original Message----- > From: Corbett Buford [SMTP:corbettb@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ouch! I'm gonna have to change email addresses > > Wow!....I didn't realize how active the discussion group was! I'm gonna > have to request that you remove "corbettb@XXXXXX" from your > mailing list. > > I'll send you a different email address after I set one up in Hotmail > > Thanks, > > Corbett in Arlington, VA > > At 11:09 AM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote: > >dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Corbett Buford, Realtor > Pardoe Real Estate ERA > 6820 Elm St. > McLean,VA 22101 > > W) 703 734-7020 x 179 > Pgr) 703 612-1102 > email) corbettb@XXXXXX > > ) ) /\ > ===== / \ > _|___|____/ __ \__________ > |::::::::::::::/ |__| \:::::::::::::::| > |::::::::::::/ ==== \:::::::::::::| > |:::::::::::/__________\::::::::::::| > |________| ____ |_________| > | ______ | / || \ | _______| > || | || ====== || | || > ||---+----|| | | ||----+---|| > ||__|___|| | o| l|__ |__|| > |======| |____| |=======| > (^^-^^^^^-|_______|-^^^--^^^^^) > (,, , ,, ,,,,/________\,,,, ,,,,,, ,) > ,,,,,,,,',/__________\,,,',',;; From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 12:49:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49Gn7k11976 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MRIS.mindspring.com (user-2ivelej.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.85.211]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19135; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000509122928.00adc9f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: corbettb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:51:27 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , "'Simon Cook'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Corbett Buford Subject: RE: Bike Nite In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330628E0@QSI_TYSONS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark- "Bike Night" was a success! It was nice to run into a cross section of guys (and ladies) that I wouldn't normally run into when I'm with my crew. I know a number of managers at a number of bike-friendly (or wannabe bike-friendly) places around DC and VA...if you want some contacts for another event. Let me know. -Corbett Mark, Simon, James- You're right about Asylum...nice little dive. Good folks working there. Limited parking.....I've got some contacts at Dan's Cafe nearby...There's a nice little dive too! -Corbett James- Re: Boozefighters The word is C-L-U-B - not gang. There are numerous clubs in the area...Boozefighters just scratch the surface.... Even the most famous (or infamous) of organized riders, Hells Angels, Pagans, Outlaws, and others refer to themselves as clubs. They also are divided into regional chapters. Most of the guys you're going to run into around here are "weekend warriors" but they share a deep passion for their riding, bikes, and loyalty to their club. Of note...Chuck Zito, Actor (in HBO's "OZ", friend of James Caan, and occasional walk-in on the Howard Stern show) is the President of (I believe) the New Jersey Chapter of Hells Angels.... -Corbett At 09:11 AM 5/9/00 -0400, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Simon: > >I love Asylum too.....its just that an event like we had would be impossible >there. > >See you there maybe this weekend. > >mark > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Simon Cook [SMTP:simoncook@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:37 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Bike Nite > > > > Loved bike night,met a lot of new friends but didn't manage to get to the > > BIG table,meet you all next time.Point of order for Mark,the Asylum is a > > great place,one of the only places where bikers are prefered over the > > rest,as for parking I've always managed to park outside and with the > > closed > > circuit TV I can see my bike at all times! The Carpool was great but > > they'll > > be back to serving cages tonight.Support your local bike hangout,we're > > running short of them!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Simon > > 96 Trident > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mark Kitchell > > To: 'James Hoofnagle' ; > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:46 PM > > Subject: RE: Bike Nite > > > > > > > Thanks James! > > > > > > It was a great time and I was really happy with the turn-out. It just > > goes > > > to show that this area is starved for a good bike place. Asylum is > > great > > > for what it is, but the parking there sucks. > > > > > > We have already heard from CarPool and expect to do another one in about > > a > > > month or so. Stay tuned. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: James Hoofnagle [SMTP:Culimerc@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:38 PM > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Bike Nite > > > > > > > > KUDOS!!!! to Mark and Chuck for the bike nite last nite. It looked to > > be > > > > a > > > > raging success. Lots of bikes, lots of styles, lots of genres. There > > was > > > > even a real biker gang (in no.va.?!?) the booze fighters. Got to meet > > > > some > > > > of ya'll for the first time after talking to you for better than a > > year. > > > > Hope it can happen again, soon! > > > > Thanks again Chuck and Mark!! > > > > __________ > > > > They can't hit you, > > > > if they can't catch you! > > > > James > > > > E-TKT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > > > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp Corbett Buford, Realtor Pardoe Real Estate ERA 6820 Elm St. McLean,VA 22101 W) 703 734-7020 x 179 Pgr) 703 612-1102 email) corbettb@XXXXXX ) ) /\ ===== / \ _|___|____/ __ \__________ |::::::::::::::/ |__| \:::::::::::::::| |::::::::::::/ ==== \:::::::::::::| |:::::::::::/__________\::::::::::::| |________| ____ |_________| | ______ | / || \ | _______| || | || ====== || | || ||---+----|| | | ||----+---|| ||__|___|| | o| l|__ |__|| |======| |____| |=======| (^^-^^^^^-|_______|-^^^--^^^^^) (,, , ,, ,,,,/________\,,,, ,,,,,, ,) ,,,,,,,,',/__________\,,,',',;; From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 13:21:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49HLHk12532 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000509172105.17283.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.5] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 10:21:05 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ouch! I'm gonna have to change email addresses To: Mark Kitchell , "'Corbett Buford'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually its http://www.dc-cycles.org Go there and follow the instructions. Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Since we didn't put you on we can't take you off. > > www.dccycles.org may help > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Corbett Buford > [SMTP:corbettb@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:25 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Ouch! I'm gonna have to change email > addresses > > > > Wow!....I didn't realize how active the discussion > group was! I'm gonna > > have to request that you remove > "corbettb@XXXXXX" from your > > mailing list. > > > > I'll send you a different email address after I > set one up in Hotmail > > > > Thanks, > > > > Corbett in Arlington, VA > > > > At 11:09 AM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > > Corbett Buford, Realtor > > Pardoe Real Estate ERA > > 6820 Elm St. > > McLean,VA 22101 > > > > W) 703 734-7020 x 179 > > Pgr) 703 612-1102 > > email) corbettb@XXXXXX > > > > ) ) /\ > > ===== / \ > > _|___|____/ __ \__________ > > |::::::::::::::/ |__| \:::::::::::::::| > > |::::::::::::/ ==== \:::::::::::::| > > |:::::::::::/__________\::::::::::::| > > |________| ____ |_________| > > | ______ | / || \ | _______| > > || | || ====== || | || > > ||---+----|| | | ||----+---|| > > ||__|___|| | o| l|__ |__|| > > |======| |____| |=======| > > (^^-^^^^^-|_______|-^^^--^^^^^) > > (,, , ,, ,,,,/________\,,,, ,,,,,, ,) > > ,,,,,,,,',/__________\,,,',',;; __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 13:38:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49Hcak12797 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 09 May 2000 10:41:17 -0700 Message-ID: <39187735.EDD5579F@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:38:13 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Concours Owners Group , DC Cycles List Subject: Hot no more Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Performed the air-conditioning mod on BugSlayer this morning - I removed the my custom Rifle windshield, but kept the Rifle base on the bike. What a huge difference it makes in airflow! I experimented with shields of differing heights last summer, and found out that the Rifle base all by itself worked the best for me. Maybe I'll try to make myself a clear wind shield that is shaped like the Rifle base - the base looks kind of goofy on there now. :) I'll keep the big shield for LDriding, but I'll be using the shortie for most of the summer. Horkster (way cooler than I was yesterday) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 13:43:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49Hhlk12893 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000509174335.8147.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.177] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 10:43:35 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:43:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Route 211 and wrenching To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Kirt S." wrote: > 211 is still held as one of my favorite roads. I > owe Danny big time for > taking me up there one afternoon after wrenching on > my bike. Good stuff, > first time I REALLY got my pegs down (had little > ones previously). Long > right hander, after a long left hander about halfway > up maybe? Leaning in, > good line, whoa-it's-getting-tighter, lean more, > stay on gas, > scrchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh > a good 5 seconds > worth...even a hint of spark in the mirrors. :-) There aint a turn on that road that lasts 5 seconds with a peg on the ground. I agree, though, it is the best road within 1 1/2 hours of D.C. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 13:53:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49HrWk13121 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pECI-0006CX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:53:30 -0400 Message-ID: <012401bfb9de$7d0b8b10$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <20000509174335.8147.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Route 211 and wrenching Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:46:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 well, it certainly seemed that long. :-) Maybe it was that slo-mo effect cuz I couldn't believe how easily it happened. I was busy trying to keep up with Danny Thompson and his friend whilst learning the road. Danny can hustle the VFR around up there... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer To: Kirt S. ; Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Route 211 and wrenching > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > 211 is still held as one of my favorite roads. I > > owe Danny big time for > > taking me up there one afternoon after wrenching on > > my bike. Good stuff, > > first time I REALLY got my pegs down (had little > > ones previously). Long > > right hander, after a long left hander about halfway > > up maybe? Leaning in, > > good line, whoa-it's-getting-tighter, lean more, > > stay on gas, > > > scrchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh > > a good 5 seconds > > worth...even a hint of spark in the mirrors. :-) > > There aint a turn on that road that lasts 5 seconds > with a peg on the ground. > > I agree, though, it is the best road within 1 1/2 > hours of D.C. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 14:17:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49IH7k13717 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49IGx515343 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:16:59 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Motorcycle chase scene in old movie Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:11:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bfb9e2$061bdce0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal As someone who spent way too much time in video stores (our first POS system relied on the brand new hot 8086 processor) I have some information on the subject, but my cerebral database is straining at the moment from lack of Corona infusion. My first gut reaction is that if you are sure it was Charles Bronson, the movie is probably the "Stone Killer", which takes place primarily in LA, but may have had some SF scenes. I went to the handy-dandy Internet resource http://us.imdb.com/Details?0070736 and tracked the film via stunt crew. One of my neighbors growing up was a retired racer named Eddie Mulder, who did many of the hot bike stunts at the time (including sailing of the aircraft carrier in Clint Eastwood's "Magnum Force") but his name wasn't there. However, one of the stunt crew was in "Electra Glide in Blue" and "The Jesus Trip" which means he may have been a bike stunt person. There is a complete filmography for Charles Bronson and maybe one of the names will reach out, but I concur that the chase in "the Mechanic" was on dirtbikes and probably wasn't the film you're thinking of. Cedric Hello everyone, Does anyone know the name of the early 70's movie that stars Charles Bronson and features a long (10 minute or so) motorcycle vs car chase scene though San Francisco? The bike was said to be a Honda CB 750. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 16:01:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49K1Bk16171 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:01:04 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062920@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Blackbird Lister in VA? Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:55:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Is there a lister with a Honda Blackbird parked at 8614 Westwood Ctr Drive in Tysons? The bike was also at Bike Night. Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 16:07:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49K7sk16272 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000509200746.11101.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.204] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 13:07:46 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:07:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Route 211 and wrenching To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, it does sound like you went into one of 'em waaaaay too hot, because Danny's bike was in my garage 3 weeks ago and the peg feelers still had their hymens. There are a couple of turns on 211 that still surprise me a bit mid-corner....and I've been out there a hundred times --- "Kirt S." wrote: > well, it certainly seemed that long. :-) Maybe it > was that slo-mo effect > cuz I couldn't believe how easily it happened. I > was busy trying to keep up > with Danny Thompson and his friend whilst learning > the road. Danny can > hustle the VFR around up there... > > Kirt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 16:14:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49KEuk16387 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:15:24 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062923@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Blackbird Lister in VA? Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:10:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > You are kidding right? Its parked out in front for anyone of the 1000s of > people that drive by to see. > > You post your name to this list and your bike type. In 30 seconds I found > this: > > Dale Horstman > 1xxx8 xxxxxdale Road > Woodbridge, VA 22xxx > 703 590 xxxx > So, when is your bike going to be stolen? > Chill Dude. > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:09 PM > To: Mark Kitchell > Subject: Re: Blackbird Lister in VA? > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > Is there a lister with a Honda Blackbird parked at 8614 Westwood Ctr > Drive > > in Tysons? The bike was also at Bike Night. > > > > Mark > > Oh, bad form, Mark. You just gave the bad guys an address > of a bike to go steal. Suggest you apologize to the list > forthwith. > > Dale > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 16:31:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49KVGk16777 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:31:43 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062926@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Who was Wes Cooley? Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:26:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I am about to by a replica of his helmet (Arai classic series). Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 16:31:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web4603.mail.yahoo.com (web4603.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49KVSk16792 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000509190240.9500.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.151.86.2] by web4603.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 12:02:40 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Hot no more To: DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Performed the air-conditioning mod on BugSlayer this > morning - I removed the my custom Rifle windshield, > but kept the Rifle base on the bike. What a huge > difference it makes in airflow! Shoot Dale, I have an even better solution for you. Ditch the whole fairing. You wouldn't believe the improvement in airflow! My current street bike has a custom high flow set-up courtesy of Chevy! :) Kirk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 16:36:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49Kagk16872 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 09 May 2000 13:39:22 -0700 Message-ID: <3918A0F5.C0656B13@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:36:21 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Blackbird Lister in VA? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062923@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > You are kidding right? Its parked out in front for anyone of the 1000s of > > people that drive by to see. > > > > You post your name to this list and your bike type. In 30 seconds I found > > this: No, I was totally serious. I still think it's bad form to broadcast the exact location of an unattended motorcycle to a bunch of undisclosed recipients, most of whom you've probably never met. In my PRIVATE response to you regarding your mistake I suggested that you might want to apologize. By PUBLICLY responding to my message to you, you screwed up again, but I can see that you obviously don't give a rat's ass. Whatever. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 16:40:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49KeTk16898 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 09 May 2000 13:43:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3918A1E5.CAFF2091@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:40:21 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Hot no more References: <20000509190240.9500.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > Shoot Dale, I have an even better solution for you. > Ditch the whole fairing. You wouldn't believe the > improvement in airflow! You can believe that I've thought about it. But the Connie has so many exposed oil lines, hoses, wires, etc. etc. that it's best to keep all that crap covered up. :) And the Kawi inline 4 used to be *SO* beautiful... :( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 17:09:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49L9Kk17420 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA07627 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:04:27 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 09 May 2000 21:04:26 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 09 May 2000 17:04:07 -0400 Message-Id: <39187D8F.AD0F23F1@trw.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:05:20 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Who was Wes Cooley? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062926@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wes Cooley - Famous American road racer from the late seventies/early eighties. Won the 1980 AMA Superbike Championship on a Suzuki GS1000 riding against Eddie Lawson and Freddie Spencer. Worked extensively with legendary tuner "Pops" Yoshimura. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am about to by a replica of his helmet (Arai classic series). > > Thanks > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 17:13:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49LDik17510 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA04182 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-27.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.91]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA30156 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3918A436.62D354B9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:50:14 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Hot no more References: <20000509190240.9500.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like Kirk's suggestion, but for a truly custom a/c job, why not drill lots and lots of holes in your windscreen and upper fairing??? %^) Chuck Kirk Roy wrote: > > > Performed the air-conditioning mod on BugSlayer this > > morning - I removed the my custom Rifle windshield, > > but kept the Rifle base on the bike. What a huge > > difference it makes in airflow! > > Shoot Dale, I have an even better solution for you. > Ditch the whole fairing. You wouldn't believe the > improvement in airflow! My current street bike has a > custom high flow set-up courtesy of Chevy! :) From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 17:18:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49LIAk17609 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA08764 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:15:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Who was Wes Cooley? Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:15:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Wes Cooley - Famous American road racer from the late seventies/early > eighties. Won the 1980 AMA Superbike Championship on a Suzuki GS1000 > riding against Eddie Lawson and Freddie Spencer. Worked > extensively with > legendary tuner "Pops" Yoshimura. What about Chim-Chim and Spridle, and the mysterious Racer X? -Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 17:26:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49LQek17721 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA09731 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:26:21 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 09 May 2000 21:26:21 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 09 May 2000 17:25:57 -0400 Message-Id: <391882AE.4F6D5F24@trw.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:27:11 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Who was Wes Cooley? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He didn't race against any of those guys. Randy Mark Petty wrote: > What about Chim-Chim and Spridle, and the mysterious Racer X? > > -Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 18:24:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e49MOPk18919 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-125.s379.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.125]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pIQQ-0006Zd-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:24:22 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: leathers group purchase update Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:26:41 GMT Message-ID: <3918ba21.746691010@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e49MOek18920 I was finally able to reach someone at dixie cycles to take the order. I spoke to william and he will pass the order on to duane. They will contact me and let me know the prices on what we are interested in. when I find out, I'll post them and if anyone else would like to get in on it, you'll have a chance to. btw he says he charges $20 over cost on helmets and they carry the hjc cl-12 and shoei rf800. He will let me know the prices when they call back. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 18:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e49MXYk19100 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000509223320.14360.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.45.18.20] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 15:33:20 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:33:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Blackbird Lister in VA? To: Dale Horstman , Mark Kitchell Cc: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, Dale makes a valid point. If someone wants to reveal what they ride and where they park it, I think that should be their choice, made with the knowledge that there might be outsiders listening in. It's possible to make your friendly inquiry without providing the exact address, and the same goes for your reply to Dale. Sean Sullivan --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > > You are kidding right? Its parked out in front > for anyone of the 1000s of > > > people that drive by to see. > > > > > > You post your name to this list and your bike > type. In 30 seconds I found > > > this: > > No, I was totally serious. I still think it's bad > form to > broadcast the exact location of an unattended > motorcycle > to a bunch of undisclosed recipients, most of whom > you've > probably never met. > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 9 22:03:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4A23Xk22484 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA13619 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01bfba23$aa90c7e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: Subject: '00 Formula trounces CBR-XX Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:01:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBA02.1DCC6A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBA02.1DCC6A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Coming up the FFX Co Pkwy I unleashed the Formula on one unsuspecting = Double-X driver and passenger. He came flying by me and waited for me = to catch up which I gladly obliged. Pulled along side at about 60 mph, = threw it in third gear and proceeded to walk right around him. He could = have passed me but nerves won out I guess as I was able to fly around = the turn and he didn't. Anyway... if you're on the list... good race! You made my evening! Tom '86 VFR750 '00 Formula 6spd ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBA02.1DCC6A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Coming up the FFX Co Pkwy I unleashed the Formula on = one=20 unsuspecting Double-X driver and passenger.  He came flying by me = and=20 waited for me to catch up which I gladly obliged.  Pulled along = side at=20 about 60 mph, threw it in third gear and proceeded to walk right around=20 him.  He could have passed me but nerves won out I guess as I was = able to=20 fly around the turn and he didn't.
 
Anyway... if you're on the list... good race!  = You made=20 my evening!
 
Tom
'86 VFR750
'00 Formula 6spd
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBA02.1DCC6A60-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 00:07:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4A479k24360 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id a.ca.47232de (8415); Wed, 10 May 2000 00:06:55 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:06:54 EDT Subject: Hit deer-fell down To: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 After spending 10 days in Charleston, WV attending the MSF instructor course, I was returning home to Charles Town WV Sunday night. Between Hagerstown MD and Sharpsburg MD a deer ran out in front of me, crossing from left to right. I braked hard,not locking up, but just clipped him/her in the rump with an inch or two of the right bar. The bar slammed full lock right resulting in instant down and throwing me to the pavement. I wass going about 55 mph when I saw the critter and maybe 25-30 at impact. The bike has some scatches and bruises but remains operable. I am in about the same shape. I road it home. By Monday AM my right wrist was hurting badly. X ray showed a hairline fracture. Can't get enough twist to operate the throttle yet. Ironically when I left Charleston it was very hot and I didn't put on my riding jacket because I had taken my winter jacket with me. I stopped in Hancock MD for a quick break and decided it had cooled off enough and put it on. I'm very glad I did since it and the Draggin' Jeans I was wearing probably prevented more serious injury. This saga will be continued with the insurance company battle. Stay tuned From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 06:08:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4AA7xk00979 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 06:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.7c.54d7f2c (3989) for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 06:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7c.54d7f2c.264a8ef4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 06:07:48 EDT Subject: Draggin Jeans To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Several holes in the denim including the left knee, but the kevlar held up with no evidence of any rub through. Small fabric burn on that knee, but thats it. I am impressed enough that I will replace them. Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 07:55:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ABtVk02484 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 07:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA01019; Wed, 10 May 2000 07:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000510075321.00a26c10@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:55:40 -0400 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A big "whew" must've gone through you! Wow, what luck that you had just put the jacket back on. I'm so relieved for you. Every time I read something like this makes me put the jacket on no matter how hot it might be. Glad you didn't get too hurt. Recover fast! Those deer are scary, glad I haven't run into - sorry for the double entendre there - any yet! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 12:06 AM 5/10/00 -0400, McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: The bar slammed full lock right resulting in >instant down and throwing me to the pavement. I wass going about 55 mph when >I saw the critter and maybe 25-30 at impact. The bike has some scatches and >bruises but remains operable. I am in about the same shape. I road it home. >By Monday AM my right wrist was hurting badly. X ray showed a hairline >fracture. Can't get enough twist to operate the throttle yet. > >Ironically when I left Charleston it was very hot and I didn't put on my >riding jacket because I had taken my winter jacket with me. I stopped in >Hancock MD for a quick break and decided it had cooled off enough and put it >on. I'm very glad I did since it and the Draggin' Jeans I was wearing >probably prevented more serious injury. > >This saga will be continued with the insurance company battle. Stay tuned From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 08:10:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ACAck02728 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-107.patriot.net [209.249.180.107]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA01154; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:10:31 -0400 Message-ID: <39195092.7F6D1997@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:05:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad to hear you're basically OK. One of the Mags - MCN or Cycle World? - did a test on the two Kevlar jeans brands available. I have a pair of regular jeans that have hit the pavement twice. One tiny scuff hole, lotta raod rash without swing thru the jeans. I think layers of anything work. The layers can slide on each other rather than skidding one's skin off. Thoughts on that? I've never had to deal with *my* insurance company. Damage from my one nasty wreck was paid by the other guy - 7K to fix the bike and more than double that to put a grin on my battered bod. I had a Snell 95 helmet, shell destroyed on impact, leather rjacket, mucho scuffs, jeans scuffed, and boots which got hammered and scuffed.. My gloves survived with one tiny cut from g;lass when I punched the mirror while on my flight over the car. Sometimes I take the rashy leather jacket to my MSF class and show them that leather works. Please don't let the incident deter you form teaching the RiderCourse. You've been there, done that, and it will make more convincing when urging the newbies to wear protective gear. Heal, bro, and watch out for them deer. Bill McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > After spending 10 days in Charleston, WV attending the MSF instructor course, > I was returning home to Charles Town WV Sunday night. Between Hagerstown MD > and Sharpsburg MD a deer ran out in front of me, crossing from left to right. > I braked hard,not locking up, but just clipped him/her in the rump with an > inch or two of the right bar. The bar slammed full lock right resulting in > instant down and throwing me to the pavement. I wass going about 55 mph when > I saw the critter and maybe 25-30 at impact. The bike has some scatches and > bruises but remains operable. I am in about the same shape. I road it home. > By Monday AM my right wrist was hurting badly. X ray showed a hairline > fracture. Can't get enough twist to operate the throttle yet. > > Ironically when I left Charleston it was very hot and I didn't put on my > riding jacket because I had taken my winter jacket with me. I stopped in > Hancock MD for a quick break and decided it had cooled off enough and put it > on. I'm very glad I did since it and the Draggin' Jeans I was wearing > probably prevented more serious injury. > > This saga will be continued with the insurance company battle. Stay tuned From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 08:27:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4ACRRk03015 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000510122714.8216.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.7] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 05:27:14 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 05:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good story here, I'd address you by your first name but you didn't list it. Anyhow, glad you are OK. I had a very similar thing happen to me in the fall of 98. I was traveling down Snickersville Turnpike towards 7 and all of the sudden Bambi jumps out into the road as I was traveling around 60. I hit the back of the deer as you did but I kept rolling and the deer was gone. I stop, and a check of the bike only reveals hair and blood on the front end and wheel. After getting home I found a crack in the faring and that's it. I know I was damn lucky and still am always on the lookout for them. Glenn --- McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > After spending 10 days in Charleston, WV attending > the MSF instructor course, > I was returning home to Charles Town WV Sunday > night. Between Hagerstown MD > and Sharpsburg MD a deer ran out in front of me, > crossing from left to right. > I braked hard,not locking up, but just clipped > him/her in the rump with an > inch or two of the right bar. The bar slammed full > lock right resulting in > instant down and throwing me to the pavement. I wass > going about 55 mph when > I saw the critter and maybe 25-30 at impact. The > bike has some scatches and > bruises but remains operable. I am in about the same > shape. I road it home. > By Monday AM my right wrist was hurting badly. X > ray showed a hairline > fracture. Can't get enough twist to operate the > throttle yet. > > Ironically when I left Charleston it was very hot > and I didn't put on my > riding jacket because I had taken my winter jacket > with me. I stopped in > Hancock MD for a quick break and decided it had > cooled off enough and put it > on. I'm very glad I did since it and the Draggin' > Jeans I was wearing > probably prevented more serious injury. > > This saga will be continued with the insurance > company battle. Stay tuned __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 08:37:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ACb6k03177 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mantechserver (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id IAA14572; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nelson Fernandez" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Blackbird Lister in VA? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:30:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3918A0F5.C0656B13@flashmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Mark Just thought I would point out that a new CBR900RR was stolen in Crystal City last summer in the middle of the day with people looking on. A van backed up to the bike, two guys got out, loaded it up and drove off. At least that is what all the witnesses said. It's never a good idea to post locations. I'm not trying to get on you, just pointing out that Horkster gave you some good advise. Nelson From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 08:43:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4AChsk03342 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000510124345.5820.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 05:43:45 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 05:43:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down To: Bill Huson , McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > Glad to hear you're basically OK. > One of the Mags - MCN or Cycle World? - did a test > on the two Kevlar jeans brands > available. I have a pair of regular jeans that have > hit the pavement twice. One > tiny scuff hole, lotta raod rash without swing thru > the jeans. I think layers of > anything work. The layers can slide on each other > rather than skidding one's > skin off. Thoughts on that? One thought: wrong! jeans are about as good as an extra layer of hair on your legs at higher speeds. Putting extra layers of clothing underneath, depending on the type of fabric, will probably only increase the chances that those fabrics will melt into your skin. Nice thought, isn't it? But don't worry, Bill, you ride a Harley, so the higher speeds shouldn't be a concern for you. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 08:55:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ACtdk03526 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:53:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hit deer-fell down Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:53:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Kevlar Jeans comparo was in Motorcycle Consumer News a few issues back. Bests, Erik. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 8:06 AM To: McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX; cb-750@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Lordorange@XXXXXX; conchfritter@XXXXXX; suesocold@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down Glad to hear you're basically OK. One of the Mags - MCN or Cycle World? - did a test on the two Kevlar jeans brands available. I have a pair of regular jeans that have hit the pavement twice. One tiny scuff hole, lotta raod rash without swing thru the jeans. I think layers of anything work. The layers can slide on each other rather than skidding one's skin off. Thoughts on that? I've never had to deal with *my* insurance company. Damage from my one nasty wreck was paid by the other guy - 7K to fix the bike and more than double that to put a grin on my battered bod. I had a Snell 95 helmet, shell destroyed on impact, leather rjacket, mucho scuffs, jeans scuffed, and boots which got hammered and scuffed.. My gloves survived with one tiny cut from g;lass when I punched the mirror while on my flight over the car. Sometimes I take the rashy leather jacket to my MSF class and show them that leather works. Please don't let the incident deter you form teaching the RiderCourse. You've been there, done that, and it will make more convincing when urging the newbies to wear protective gear. Heal, bro, and watch out for them deer. Bill McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > After spending 10 days in Charleston, WV attending the MSF instructor course, > I was returning home to Charles Town WV Sunday night. Between Hagerstown MD > and Sharpsburg MD a deer ran out in front of me, crossing from left to right. > I braked hard,not locking up, but just clipped him/her in the rump with an > inch or two of the right bar. The bar slammed full lock right resulting in > instant down and throwing me to the pavement. I wass going about 55 mph when > I saw the critter and maybe 25-30 at impact. The bike has some scatches and > bruises but remains operable. I am in about the same shape. I road it home. > By Monday AM my right wrist was hurting badly. X ray showed a hairline > fracture. Can't get enough twist to operate the throttle yet. > > Ironically when I left Charleston it was very hot and I didn't put on my > riding jacket because I had taken my winter jacket with me. I stopped in > Hancock MD for a quick break and decided it had cooled off enough and put it > on. I'm very glad I did since it and the Draggin' Jeans I was wearing > probably prevented more serious injury. > > This saga will be continued with the insurance company battle. Stay tuned From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 08:56:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4ACuhk03536 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000510125628.1289.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.7] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 05:56:28 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 05:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down To: Tom Gimer , Bill Huson , McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One other thing you haven't mentioned here is that jeans have almost zero protection against sharp objects that you might encounter in an accident. Glass, metal, etc. will easily rip denim where leather and cordura is much more durable. Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > Glad to hear you're basically OK. > > One of the Mags - MCN or Cycle World? - did a test > > on the two Kevlar jeans brands > > available. I have a pair of regular jeans that > have > > hit the pavement twice. One > > tiny scuff hole, lotta raod rash without swing > thru > > the jeans. I think layers of > > anything work. The layers can slide on each other > > rather than skidding one's > > skin off. Thoughts on that? > > One thought: wrong! jeans are about as good as an > extra layer of hair on your legs at higher speeds. > Putting extra layers of clothing underneath, > depending > on the type of fabric, will probably only increase > the > chances that those fabrics will melt into your skin. > > Nice thought, isn't it? > > But don't worry, Bill, you ride a Harley, so the > higher speeds shouldn't be a concern for you. ;) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 09:04:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4AD4bk03747 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA04260 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pW6L-0004Xt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:00:33 -0400 Message-ID: <00e401bfba7f$4a964c00$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:57:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 anyone have this article?? I've been thinking about picking up a couple pairs of draggin' jeans or similar stuff, to supplement the heavy pants of my stich in hot weather. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Hit deer-fell down > > The Kevlar Jeans comparo was in Motorcycle Consumer News a few issues back. > Bests, Erik. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 8:06 AM > To: McKeithen@XXXXXX > Cc: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX; cb-750@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; > Lordorange@XXXXXX; conchfritter@XXXXXX; suesocold@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down > > > Glad to hear you're basically OK. > One of the Mags - MCN or Cycle World? - did a test on the two Kevlar jeans > brands > available. I have a pair of regular jeans that have hit the pavement twice. > One > tiny scuff hole, lotta raod rash without swing thru the jeans. I think > layers of > anything work. The layers can slide on each other rather than skidding > one's > skin off. Thoughts on that? > > I've never had to deal with *my* insurance company. Damage from my one > nasty > wreck was paid by the other guy - 7K to fix the bike and more than double > that to > put a grin on my battered bod. I had a Snell 95 helmet, shell destroyed on > impact, leather rjacket, mucho scuffs, jeans scuffed, and boots which got > hammered and scuffed.. My gloves survived with one tiny cut from g;lass > when I > punched the mirror while on my flight over the car. Sometimes I take the > rashy > leather jacket to my MSF class and show them that leather works. > > Please don't let the incident deter you form teaching the RiderCourse. > You've > been there, done that, and it will make more convincing when urging the > newbies > to wear protective gear. Heal, bro, and watch out for them deer. > > Bill > > McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > > > After spending 10 days in Charleston, WV attending the MSF instructor > course, > > I was returning home to Charles Town WV Sunday night. Between Hagerstown > MD > > and Sharpsburg MD a deer ran out in front of me, crossing from left to > right. > > I braked hard,not locking up, but just clipped him/her in the rump with an > > inch or two of the right bar. The bar slammed full lock right resulting in > > instant down and throwing me to the pavement. I wass going about 55 mph > when > > I saw the critter and maybe 25-30 at impact. The bike has some scatches > and > > bruises but remains operable. I am in about the same shape. I road it > home. > > By Monday AM my right wrist was hurting badly. X ray showed a hairline > > fracture. Can't get enough twist to operate the throttle yet. > > > > Ironically when I left Charleston it was very hot and I didn't put on my > > riding jacket because I had taken my winter jacket with me. I stopped in > > Hancock MD for a quick break and decided it had cooled off enough and put > it > > on. I'm very glad I did since it and the Draggin' Jeans I was wearing > > probably prevented more serious injury. > > > > This saga will be continued with the insurance company battle. Stay tuned > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 09:11:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ADBhk03850 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-107.patriot.net [209.249.180.107]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16231; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:11:20 -0400 Message-ID: <39195ECF.7C0BF3@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:06:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: McKeithen@XXXXXX, ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down References: <20000510124345.5820.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cotton melts? What chem class did you take? Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > Glad to hear you're basically OK. > > One of the Mags - MCN or Cycle World? - did a test > > on the two Kevlar jeans brands > > available. I have a pair of regular jeans that have > > hit the pavement twice. One > > tiny scuff hole, lotta raod rash without swing thru > > the jeans. I think layers of > > anything work. The layers can slide on each other > > rather than skidding one's > > skin off. Thoughts on that? > > One thought: wrong! jeans are about as good as an > extra layer of hair on your legs at higher speeds. > Putting extra layers of clothing underneath, depending > on the type of fabric, will probably only increase the > chances that those fabrics will melt into your skin. > Nice thought, isn't it? > > But don't worry, Bill, you ride a Harley, so the > higher speeds shouldn't be a concern for you. ;) > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 09:16:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ADGtk04017 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-107.patriot.net [209.249.180.107]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16923; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:16:41 -0400 Message-ID: <39196015.A2DEF371@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:11:49 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Tom Gimer , McKeithen@XXXXXX, ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down References: <20000510125628.1289.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, there's a new fabric out - Spectra something??? Us boat racers are required to wear full body anti-cut suits is case we fall outta the boat and get run down by those razor sharp skid fins and props. Kevlar is standard but recently the new fab came out and seems to work better. We also wear flak protection in our $400 flotation jackets. That's in case the screaming engine, which is right behind us, decides to grenade. Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > One other thing you haven't mentioned here is that > jeans have almost zero protection against sharp > objects that you might encounter in an accident. > Glass, metal, etc. will easily rip denim where leather > and cordura is much more durable. > > Glenn > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > Glad to hear you're basically OK. > > > One of the Mags - MCN or Cycle World? - did a test > > > on the two Kevlar jeans brands > > > available. I have a pair of regular jeans that > > have > > > hit the pavement twice. One > > > tiny scuff hole, lotta raod rash without swing > > thru > > > the jeans. I think layers of > > > anything work. The layers can slide on each other > > > rather than skidding one's > > > skin off. Thoughts on that? > > > > One thought: wrong! jeans are about as good as an > > extra layer of hair on your legs at higher speeds. > > Putting extra layers of clothing underneath, > > depending > > on the type of fabric, will probably only increase > > the > > chances that those fabrics will melt into your skin. > > > > Nice thought, isn't it? > > > > But don't worry, Bill, you ride a Harley, so the > > higher speeds shouldn't be a concern for you. ;) > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 09:30:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ADSok04190 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:19:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Bill Huson'" , dysart@XXXXXX Cc: Tom Gimer , McKeithen@XXXXXX, ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hit deer-fell down Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:19:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Spectra (and Kevlar for that matter) has been around for many years in the rock climbing rope industry. As you say, it's highly cut and heat resistant. (It's so heat resistant that it's a pain in the ass to melt the ends of a spectra cord once it's cut) It's downside in rock climbing is that it's pretty stiff and doesn't hold some knots too well. For the boating and possible motorcycling applications, this shouldn't be an issue. Perhaps we'll see this material make its way into future moto gear. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:12 AM > To: dysart@XXXXXX > Cc: Tom Gimer; McKeithen@XXXXXX; ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX; > cb-750@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Lordorange@XXXXXX; > conchfritter@XXXXXX; suesocold@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down > > Actually, there's a new fabric out - Spectra something??? Us boat > racers are required to wear full body anti-cut suits is case we fall > outta the boat and get run down by those razor sharp skid fins and > props. Kevlar is standard but recently the new fab came out and seems > to work better. We also wear flak protection in our $400 flotation > jackets. That's in case the screaming engine, which is right behind us, > decides to grenade. > > Bill > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > One other thing you haven't mentioned here is that > > jeans have almost zero protection against sharp > > objects that you might encounter in an accident. > > Glass, metal, etc. will easily rip denim where leather > > and cordura is much more durable. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > > Glad to hear you're basically OK. > > > > One of the Mags - MCN or Cycle World? - did a test > > > > on the two Kevlar jeans brands > > > > available. I have a pair of regular jeans that > > > have > > > > hit the pavement twice. One > > > > tiny scuff hole, lotta raod rash without swing > > > thru > > > > the jeans. I think layers of > > > > anything work. The layers can slide on each other > > > > rather than skidding one's > > > > skin off. Thoughts on that? > > > > > > One thought: wrong! jeans are about as good as an > > > extra layer of hair on your legs at higher speeds. > > > Putting extra layers of clothing underneath, > > > depending > > > on the type of fabric, will probably only increase > > > the > > > chances that those fabrics will melt into your skin. > > > > > > Nice thought, isn't it? > > > > > > But don't worry, Bill, you ride a Harley, so the > > > higher speeds shouldn't be a concern for you. ;) > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 09:39:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ADdnk04374 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-107.patriot.net [209.249.180.107]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20321; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:38:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3919654F.B31951C1@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:34:07 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" CC: dysart@XXXXXX, Tom Gimer , McKeithen@XXXXXX, ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For our purposes, prop cuts, the weave is also important. The early anti-cut suits used a weave pattern taht would allow the prop blade to penetrate by merely displacing the threads without cutting them. In one instance, the prop ground thru ballistic nylon, Kevlar, AND the flak shield on the way to a driver's back. Bill Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: > Spectra (and Kevlar for that matter) has been around for many years in the > rock climbing rope industry. As you say, it's highly cut and heat resistant. > (It's so heat resistant that it's a pain in the ass to melt the ends of a > spectra cord once it's cut) It's downside in rock climbing is that it's > pretty stiff and doesn't hold some knots too well. For the boating and > possible motorcycling applications, this shouldn't be an issue. Perhaps > we'll see this material make its way into future moto gear. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 09:42:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ADgQk04452 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Brosh-Tex jacket Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:42:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark Petty cautiously queried, "So, does anybody know anybody that wears one of these? It looks great, and $99 isn't _too_ much to risk, but inquiring minds wanna know.-Mark, sweating on rt 28. FWIW, Here's a few comments posted on SabMag the other day: Steve (NC): . . .headed out to . . . and test my new,(Bosch Tech?), jacket. This is an Israel made product for riding in the desert. I think it's about $65, but it works like you won't believe. It has Kelvar and mesh and armor for the sho and elbows and it's like wearing a t-shirt. I'm really liking this jacket. I hope they come out with a pair of trousers too. Milt (CA): I also have a Brosh-Tex jacket, http://www.brosh.com/shop/store.htm. It is like wearing almost nothing as far as keeping you cool. However, the jacket is made of thin, shirt-like material with lots of mesh. It has armor in the elbows and shoulders, but I don't kid myself that it would do any good in a serious get-off. The jacket would offer no abrasion resistance, and after initial impact the armor would probably just be torn away. I wear it rarely. Around town on very sedate and extremely hot days. Ted (Texas): I also bought one of these jackets, and I agree with Milt's description (thin, shirt-like material). > The jacket would offer no abrasion > resistance, and after initial impact the armor would probably just be torn away. On the other hand, it is supposed to be strong material, and the website offers a testimonial (including an email address of the writer) at: http://www.brosh.com/testimony.htm that describes it's protective ability in a real life getoff. I've gone back and forth on how I feel about this jacket, and while it doesn't get my "recommendation without hesitation", I'd hardly say it won't do *any* good in a serious get-off. Bob (NY): I have the Israeli Brosh Tec jacket. Wore it today in high 80's quite comfortably. Similar to a light windbreaker but kevlar reinforced with pockets for optional foam armor. Vent zipper from wrist to elbow and mesh vents on torso. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 10:47:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4AElvk05487 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 May 2000 17:46:34 UT Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:46 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Who now has the list's tire machine Message-ID: <20000510104827237-1cb0a3af@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I need to replace some tires on my VFR as well as a tire on Jeannette's VFR so I need access to the machine. Who has it (I know Glenn had it... don't know if he still does) and when can I come and use it. The sooner the better so that I can get Jeannette off my VFR. ;-) (it likes to be ridden harder than how she rides it... was pretty sick when I got on it Sunday... until I blasted it a couple of times :-) ). Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 11:20:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4AFKOk06043 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA04066; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000510111927.00a46720@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:20:37 -0400 To: "Tom Zell" , "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX"@intertv.com From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Who now has the list's tire machine In-Reply-To: <20000510104827237-1cb0a3af@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HAH!!! HAH HAH HAH!!! Don't listen to him, you all. It's hard to ride it HARD when you're commuting in bumper-to-bumper traffic! : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:46 AM 5/10/00 -0400, Tom Zell wrote: >I need to replace some tires on my VFR as well as a tire on Jeannette's VFR >so I >need access to the machine. Who has it (I know Glenn had it... don't know >if he >still does) and when can I come and use it. The sooner the better so that I >can >get Jeannette off my VFR. ;-) (it likes to be ridden harder than how she rides >it... was pretty sick when I got on it Sunday... until I blasted it a couple of >times :-) ). > >Tom >'86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 11:25:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4AFPpk06056 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15936 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15121 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00808 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:25:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000510112453.00d182e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:25:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Fwd: COOL riding gear for summer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This came across the vfr list - anyone have a source for this stuff in the US? >From: "Jim Adam" >To: >Subject: COOL riding gear for summer >Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:18:27 +0900 > >Here in Japan, ballistic-nylon heavy-duty mesh jackets with full >race-quality padding in all the right places (back, elbows, shoulders, >forearms) are getting very popular. Lightweight and lets all the wind >through, yet provides sufficient protection for sport-touring riding. Isn't >this stuff available anywhere else? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 11:30:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4AFUsk06234 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4AFUk508259; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:30:46 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'Kirt S.'" , Subject: RE: Route 211 and wrenching Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:25:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bfba93$f3a37d40$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <00c601bfb904$0e687e00$c904fea9@wskirt> Importance: Normal Kirt: Sounds great. I hope to gain mechanical mastery over my bike someday, as well. Which bike was this on? I, ahem, used my alternator cover as a kick stand myself and need to know how bad it is replacing it. I've gotten some good advice from the list but I was curious if you used a center stand, wheel stand, or just the side stand to hold it up while you worked on it. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA - Alternator cover was way more complicated than it looks..hehe. Ah well. Job is done, bike runs good, kirt is happy... Kirt From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 11:52:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4AFqCk06549 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pYmP-0000Yn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: <004901bfba97$440b9120$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <000801bfba93$f3a37d40$770810ac@cedric> Subject: Re: Route 211 and wrenching Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:49:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Side stand...have an oil pan ready. This was on my F4. Here's what I did...I'd imagine it should be the same or quite similar on an F3... 1.) removed right side fairing. 2.) lossened all bolts on Alternator cover. 3.) tapped cover with mallet to loosen seal and gasket. 4.) pulled alternator cover off to discover stator bolted into the cover. 5.) removed wiring the led to stator from under tank using the socket... 6.) unbolted wire guide inside the alternator cover 7.) unbolted stator 8.) pulled stator and wire lead out of alternator completely. 9.) dropped stator into new cover 10.) go to bolt wire guide back on, discovering that it's a self tapping bolt 11.) self tap the damn hole using the bolt. 12.) install wire guard 13.) install stator 14.) apply thin coat of oil to alternator gasket 15.) get all the dowels lined up and pop the alternator cover back on (took a good five minutes to get it lined up right) 16.) retighten bolts like a drumhead or wheel on a tire, alternating back and forth across the center of the cover. 17.) reattach wire lead from stator back into socket. 18.) add oil until back up to correct level 19.) start bike and marvel at my mechanical adeptness as it runs 20.) reattach fairing 21.) ride :-) Kirt PS - putting the new shifter lever on was fun too... ----- Original Message ----- From: Cedric Bernescut To: 'Kirt S.' ; Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Route 211 and wrenching > Kirt: > Sounds great. I hope to gain mechanical mastery over my bike someday, as > well. Which bike was this on? I, ahem, used my alternator cover as a kick > stand myself and need to know how bad it is replacing it. I've gotten some > good advice from the list but I was curious if you used a center stand, > wheel stand, or just the side stand to hold it up while you worked on it. > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > - Alternator cover was way > more complicated than it looks..hehe. Ah well. Job is done, bike runs good, > kirt is happy... > > Kirt > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 15:33:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4AJXJk10224 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17764 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01598 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01313 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:33:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000510153224.00d12240@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:33:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Uh Oh - weather alert.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Rain I don't mind - hail is a bad thing. From the Wash Post: ================================== The Washington area's hot spell may come to an end this afternoon with a boom. A severe thunderstorm watch will be in effect for the District, Northern Virginia and eastern Maryland until 5 p.m. "There are storms currently over the West Virginia Panhandle and their spreading in this direction," said John Margraf a forecaster at the National Weather Service in Sterling. Dangerous lightning, hail up to 2 inches in diameter and wind gusts up to 70 miles per hour are possible, the weather service reports. A thunderstorm watch means that conditions for severe weather are favorable; but it is not as serious as a warning from the weather service which means severe weather is likely. Residents should be on the lookout for worsening conditions, the weather service advises. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org There are three types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 15:45:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4AJj9k10468 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17844 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02293 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE3306295D@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Uh Oh - weather alert.... Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:40:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Thats exactly why I didn't ride today. Thanks Mike. Mark PS: Its starting to roll in.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 3:33 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Uh Oh - weather alert.... > > Rain I don't mind - hail is a bad thing. From the Wash Post: > ================================== > > The Washington area's hot spell may come to an end this afternoon with a > boom. > > A severe thunderstorm watch will be in effect for the District, Northern > Virginia and eastern Maryland until 5 p.m. > > "There are storms currently over the West Virginia Panhandle and their > spreading in this direction," said John Margraf a forecaster at the > National Weather Service in Sterling. Dangerous lightning, hail up to 2 > inches in diameter and wind gusts up to 70 miles per hour are possible, > the > weather service reports. > > A thunderstorm watch means that conditions for severe weather are > favorable; but it is not as serious as a warning from the weather service > which means severe weather is likely. > > Residents should be on the lookout for worsening conditions, the weather > service advises. > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > There are three types of people in this world. > Those who can count and those who can't. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 16:23:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4AKNuk11006 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 May 2000 23:22:32 UT Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:21 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Todd Peer!! Need to use the tire machine! Message-ID: <20000510162428117-1de4451f@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Tood! Jeannette and I have a couple of new tires we need to mount and I've come to understand that you have the machine now. Can you get back to me on when might be a good time to come out and use it? You can just give me a call at home if you want to. Later, Tom From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 17:45:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ALjgk12371 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18825 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA11409 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01626 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:45:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000510174420.00a87e40@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:45:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Uh Oh - weather alert.... In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000510153224.00d12240@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:33 PM 5/10/2000 , Troutman wrote: >Rain I don't mind - hail is a bad thing. From the Wash Post: Well - despite my early departure, I got stuck in it. Small hail pelted me for a couple of miles before I ducked into a gas station. Everything is soaked - didn't bring rain pants today. Doh! _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 17:47:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4ALlLk12388 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000510214702.26047.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.242.149.149] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:47:02 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chem class? F chemistry. And F cotton as a method of inhibiting abrasion. Sure, skipping chemistry was stupid, but using cotton for this seems mildly retarded. --- Bill Huson wrote: > Cotton melts? What chem class did you take? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 19:23:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ANNJk14064 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from H8isabeaut@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.a6.4270961 (2619) for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:23:08 -0400 (EDT) From: H8isabeaut@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:23:08 EDT Subject: Hello! (and Help!!!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 I'd like to say hello to all the riders on the list being as I just signed up the other day. I would also like to ask for some help while I'm here. I am in the middle of replacing the OEM handlebar on my GS 500E with a K&N club bar and have run into a small SNAFU. After pulling the levers, grips, throttle, and mirrors I removed the gauge cluster and proceded to acttack the actual bars themselves. Herein lies the problem. I have determined that I must remove the silver colored plate that the bar is clamped in and to remove the plate you must remove the 2 nuts with the cotter pins on the underside of the tree. But when you take a wrench to them the stud spins and the won't unscrew. >:-( Has anyone else done this swap? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Dave. 2000 GS500E 1964 Vespa VNB 1969 AMC Ambassador SST From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 19:38:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ANcXk14347 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-248.patriot.net [209.249.180.248]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA05743; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:38:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3919F1CF.58561C8E@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:33:35 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H8isabeaut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hello! (and Help!!!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it's a stud it won't just *spin*, it would unscrew nut and all. Must be a bolt, perhaps with a captured head which has gone south. Good luck... Bill H8isabeaut@XXXXXX wrote: > I'd like to say hello to all the riders on the list being as I just signed up > the other day. I would also like to ask for some help while I'm here. I am in > the middle of replacing the OEM handlebar on my GS 500E with a K&N club bar > and have run into a small SNAFU. After pulling the levers, grips, throttle, > and mirrors I removed the gauge cluster and proceded to acttack the actual > bars themselves. Herein lies the problem. I have determined that I must > remove the silver colored plate that the bar is clamped in and to remove the > plate you must remove the 2 nuts with the cotter pins on the underside of the > tree. But when you take a wrench to them the stud spins and the won't > unscrew. >:-( Has anyone else done this swap? Does anyone have any > suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > Dave. > 2000 GS500E > 1964 Vespa VNB > 1969 AMC Ambassador SST From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 19:52:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ANqCk14575 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-248.patriot.net [209.249.180.248]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA07150; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:51:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3919F4F0.A260831@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:46:56 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down References: <20000510214702.26047.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, gee, Tom, I'll bet cotton is better than bare skin. Of course I'm not a crotch rocketeer, so I don't get dudded out like Ricky Racer when I ride. Why bother on a Hawg? Dern thing probably won't go over a 100. But I have offed the scoot and can attest that one can get road rash even though the leather isn't worn thru or even badly scuffed. Same with jeans. The places I didn't get road rash where layered, leather over cotton shirt or jeans over cotton. Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > Chem class? F chemistry. And F cotton as a method of > inhibiting abrasion. > > Sure, skipping chemistry was stupid, but using cotton > for this seems mildly retarded. > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > Cotton melts? What chem class did you take? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 19:57:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4ANv0k14652 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000510233206.25114.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:32:06 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Leathers group buy purchase To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just a quick add on to what Daniel posted... Duane and/or William can get you pretty much ANY bike related gear you want... Other than the HJC and SHoei he mentioned, he has a very very good contact with Arai, and he's gotten me numerous Bell's at very good prices. He also got another lister a good deal on some RKA (??) luggage (the expensive stuff... can't remember if I got the right letters :)) All that said, glad to hear you guys are getting hooked up with Duane... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 20:00:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4ANxxk14665 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000510233657.26163.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:36:57 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:36:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: speaking of m/c movies To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii About 7 years ago, my brother in law had rented a really super cheasy movie about some kids who built their own american made (yeah right) GP race bike and started giving the factory dude (insert evil eastern european eveil counterpart) a hard time. Factory offers him a ride.. he forgets his roots and shuns his buddies, realizes the error of his ways and goes back to the homemade (looks like RS125 ;-)) bike and squeeks out the win for the championship. Boy gets girl, life is good, etc etc etc. Ride for Glory comes to mind, but that name doesn't show up on any web searches that I've tried... Anyone seen this movie or know anything about it??? It was pretty cheesy, but hey.. it's a biker movie :) thanks in advance, Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 20:08:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B08Pk14841 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from H8isabeaut@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.42.54607eb (2619) for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:07:53 -0400 (EDT) From: H8isabeaut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <42.54607eb.264b53d9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:07:53 EDT Subject: the handle bar problem To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 don't think there is much chance that it's a stud gone south....the bike is only a month old, and both nuts are doing the same thing. arrrghhhh!!! :) Maybe I'll just have to breakdown and buy a shop manual. But there is no way I'm paying someone 60 bucks an hour to do something this simple. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 20:09:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B09Yk14851 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA19928 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA18304 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000510235036.29241.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:50:36 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:50:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Uh Oh weather alert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since that is the tail of the stuff that came through my way the past two days, I can tell ya... batten down the bikes!! the wind was pretty fierce, and last night hail as big as 3 inches came through the area (but luckily not my neighborhood)... on similar note... me and a couple of the other grad students from the south weren't happy with the weather stuff up here... apparently, they blow the storm sirens around here as soon as a Tornado Warning is given...All of us had run for cover in our respective houses cause where we grew up, if you heard the siren, it means there IS a tornado, and it's CLOSE... so I suppose someone looking down from above got a good laugh last night :) Careful out there if you get caught in the stuff.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 20:12:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B0C2k14938 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from H8isabeaut@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.28.5710feb (2619) for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: H8isabeaut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <28.5710feb.264b54ac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:11:24 EDT Subject: Some advice for alternator covers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Kirt neglected to mention in his post about the alternator cover he replaced, that before mounting the new cover you need to make sure that none of the old paper gasket is stuck to the block. When scraping the gasket surface don't use any thing sharp that could gouge the surface. (or you'll take a trip to leaks-ville) Now if I can just get these new bars on my bike!!!!! Dave. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 21:16:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B1GFk16042 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-104.s104.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.104]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12phaF-0005g8-00; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:16:12 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Thomas_Zell" Cc: Subject: Re: '00 Formula trounces CBR-XX Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 04:19:34 GMT Message-ID: <391c2fb7.6191529@smtp.erols.com> References: <000c01bfba23$aa90c7e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> In-Reply-To: <000c01bfba23$aa90c7e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4B1GSk16043 Racing? ToM are you serious? Get thee to a race track you squid!!! Nah I'm just kidding. To be honest I would have joined in... well not in VA.. There is some kind of urban notion that VA police/courts are very strict in law enforcement.. and I don't know of thier speed trap locations.. Not to start another "should you speed?" thread but Personally I could care less.. We all pay taxes for the paved roads and EMS.. as long as no one else got hurt.. those who make the traffic laws don't truly represent the people anyway. I don't think speeding in itself is dangerous driving. As long as there is no traffic and you can see where you're going. Specal note: I don't ride like a bat out of hell everywhere I go.. I just have a little fun when desire meets oppertunity. Daniel Too poor to race, too slow to be sponsered ha ha too anti-authority too, because we were all created equal, gov't doesn't represent the people, and authority tends to have ego problems :) (hope this doesn't start a thread either) hehe. |>Coming up the FFX Co Pkwy I unleashed the Formula on one unsuspecting Double-X driver and passenger. He came flying by me and waited for me to catch up which I gladly obliged. Pulled along side at about 60 mph, threw it in third gear and proceeded to walk right around him. He could have passed me but nerves won out I guess as I was able to fly around the turn and he didn't. |>Anyway... if you're on the list... good race! You made my evening! From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 21:38:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B1c5k16400 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-242-172.s426.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.242.172]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12phvO-0005wv-00; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:38:02 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Corbett Buford Cc: Mark Kitchell , "'Simon Cook'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Nite Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 04:41:23 GMT Message-ID: <391e39ad.8741954@smtp.erols.com> References: <4.3.2.20000509122928.00adc9f0@pop.mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20000509122928.00adc9f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4B1cFk16401 chuck zito.. which character does he play on OZ? lemme guess.. the nazi ? He's a pretty good actor. I almost don't like him . Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 21:46:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B1kZk16556 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-24.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.152]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00349; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391A3B6D.B37EBA4C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:47:41 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speaking of m/c movies References: <20000510233657.26163.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin, You must be a VERY LONELY person! %^) Either that or they're not assigning you enough homework! Chuck "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > About 7 years ago, my brother in law had rented a really super cheasy > movie about some kids who built their own american made (yeah right) GP > race bike and started giving the factory dude (insert evil eastern > european eveil counterpart) a hard time. Factory offers him a ride.. > he forgets his roots and shuns his buddies, realizes the error of his > ways and goes back to the homemade (looks like RS125 ;-)) bike and > squeeks out the win for the championship. Boy gets girl, life is good, > etc etc etc. > > Ride for Glory comes to mind, but that name doesn't show up on any web > searches that I've tried... > Anyone seen this movie or know anything about it??? > It was pretty cheesy, but hey.. it's a biker movie :) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 21:54:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B1sYk16655 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18694; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:54:30 -0400 Message-ID: <391A11B0.28325A3F@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:49:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H8isabeaut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the handle bar problem References: <42.54607eb.264b53d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A "stud" is threaded on both ends, one end screws into a chunk of metal, be it a crankcase or a handlebar mount, and a nut goes on the other end. If the nut doesn't turn on the stud, the whole damn thing unscrews. I'm thinking you have a bolt with a supposedly *captured* head in the block. If the captured head galls out the shaped hole it's in - spin time! You can crank and crank and crank and it going nowhere. You could be missing something - like a decorative cover plate which conceals the non-captured bolt heads. Pray for this, my boy, because if that's not the case, it's hammer and chisel time. Bill H8isabeaut@XXXXXX wrote: > don't think there is much chance that it's a stud gone south....the bike is > only a month old, and both nuts are doing the same thing. arrrghhhh!!! :) > Maybe I'll just have to breakdown and buy a shop manual. But there is no way > I'm paying someone 60 bucks an hour to do something this simple. > > Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed May 10 21:58:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B1wHk16733 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-130-31.s539.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.130.31] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12piEs-0001Bt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:58:11 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Hot no more Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:52:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfbaeb$8cd7d860$1f82a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ate: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:40:21 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Hot no more Kirk Roy wrote: > > Shoot Dale, I have an even better solution for you. > Ditch the whole fairing. You wouldn't believe the > improvement in airflow! You can believe that I've thought about it. But the Connie has so many exposed oil lines, hoses, wires, etc. etc. that it's best to keep all that crap covered up. :) And the Kawi inline 4 used to be *SO* beautiful... :( ---------------------------------------------------- OOOooooo =:) Summer project. Anodized fittings, steel braiding and chrome everything! Cantcha just see it? At the right sunny angle, I betcha can't! C'mon Dale, let down your faring ;) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 148,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 00:17:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B4Hpk18924 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 00:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA12505 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 00:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000a01bfbaff$9439b560$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: Subject: Non-Moto... Computer stuff for sale! Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:15:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBADE.0C896460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBADE.0C896460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got a couple of laptops... and a Sun Sparc Station 20. Here's the specs: = Toshiba Satellite 110 100 MHz Pentium 1.2 GB Disk 16 MB RAM TFT display External PCMCIA CD-Rom battery is getting old or needs recycling but still works.=20 Make an offer... would like at least $300 if possible.=20 (2)Toshiba Protege 650 133 MHz Pentium 1.2 GB Disk 32 MB Ram Docking station Even smaller than the Satellite and excellent for automotive (ODB II = scanning) or motorcycling (mapping, etc.)! Once needs a battery. $400 for the one with the battery and $300 for the one needing it.=20 Sun SparcStation 20 Solaris/Unix box. 64 MB RAM (2) 1.0GB disks Turbo Graphix video card (2) add-on processor boards Optical mouse with grid pad Sun/Solaris keyboard Sun/Sony Trinitron 20" display w/remote control. Latest version of Solaris (as of last fall) Make me a GOOD offer...=20 Here's a good one... Sun/Sony Multisync Trinitron 21" display. PC compatible when combined = with adapter cable (ask about the cable). Excellent color reproduction, = excellent resolution. This display will support better than 1600 = resolution if your video card can support it. It is the best of the best = and I'm using one identical to it on my home PC as I'm typing this! Use = it with the SUN above or get the cable and attach it to your PC! I would like to get at least $500 for it. Well worth it and better than = you can get in the store for twice the money! Thanks, Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBADE.0C896460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got a couple of laptops... and a Sun Sparc Station = 20. Here's=20 the specs:
 
Toshiba Satellite 110
100 MHz Pentium
1.2 GB = Disk
16=20 MB RAM
TFT display
External PCMCIA CD-Rom
battery is getting = old or=20 needs recycling but still works.

Make an offer... would like at least $300 if possible.

(2)Toshiba Protege 650
133 MHz Pentium
1.2 GB Disk
32 MB=20 Ram
Docking station
Even smaller than the Satellite and excellent = for=20 automotive (ODB II scanning) or motorcycling (mapping, etc.)! Once needs = a=20 battery.
$400 for the one with the battery and $300 for the one = needing it.=20

Sun SparcStation 20
Solaris/Unix box.
64 MB RAM
(2) 1.0GB=20 disks
Turbo Graphix video card
(2) add-on processor = boards
Optical=20 mouse with grid pad
Sun/Solaris keyboard
Sun/Sony Trinitron 20" = display=20 w/remote control.
Latest version of Solaris (as of last fall)

Make me a GOOD offer...

Here's a good one...
Sun/Sony Multisync Trinitron 21" display. PC=20 compatible when combined with adapter cable (ask about the cable). = Excellent=20 color reproduction, excellent resolution. This display will support = better than=20 1600 resolution if your video card can support it. It is the best of the = best=20 and I'm using one identical to it on my home PC as I'm typing = this!  Use it=20 with the SUN above or get the cable and attach it to your PC!

I would like to get at least $500 for it.  Well worth it and = better than=20 you can get in the store for twice the money!

Thanks,

Tom

 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBADE.0C896460-- From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 01:04:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B54Ik19613 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 01:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA08268; Thu, 11 May 2000 01:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007601bfbb06$0e163ec0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: Cc: References: <000c01bfba23$aa90c7e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> <391c2fb7.6191529@smtp.erols.com> Subject: Re: '00 Formula trounces CBR-XX Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 01:02:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Actually, nowadays I ride in a pretty sane manor. I took the VFR out for a ride over the weekend and only got on it twice... quick shots up to about 15 over the limit to kinda "work the dust" out of it. The car (Formula) was a different story... this guy pretty much asked for it buy flying by me and since I was feeling a little down I decided to go after him. What the heck was I even thinking for going after a Double-X? Hell... what was the guy thinking for letting me beat him?? :-) Later, Tom '86 VFR750 '00 Pontiac Firebird Formula 13.1 @ 108 MPH.... with no traction at MIR! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Thomas_Zell" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: Re: '00 Formula trounces CBR-XX Racing? ToM are you serious? Get thee to a race track you squid!!! Nah I'm just kidding. To be honest I would have joined in... well not in VA.. There is some kind of urban notion that VA police/courts are very strict in law enforcement.. and I don't know of thier speed trap locations.. Not to start another "should you speed?" thread but Personally I could care less.. We all pay taxes for the paved roads and EMS.. as long as no one else got hurt.. those who make the traffic laws don't truly represent the people anyway. I don't think speeding in itself is dangerous driving. As long as there is no traffic and you can see where you're going. Specal note: I don't ride like a bat out of hell everywhere I go.. I just have a little fun when desire meets oppertunity. Daniel Too poor to race, too slow to be sponsered ha ha too anti-authority too, because we were all created equal, gov't doesn't represent the people, and authority tends to have ego problems :) (hope this doesn't start a thread either) hehe. |>Coming up the FFX Co Pkwy I unleashed the Formula on one unsuspecting Double-X driver and passenger. He came flying by me and waited for me to catch up which I gladly obliged. Pulled along side at about 60 mph, threw it in third gear and proceeded to walk right around him. He could have passed me but nerves won out I guess as I was able to fly around the turn and he didn't. |>Anyway... if you're on the list... good race! You made my evening! From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 01:34:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4B5Y9k20066 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 01:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-191.s191.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.191] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12plbk-0000pI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 May 2000 01:34:00 -0400 Message-ID: <00c201bfbb0a$2f6553a0$bf6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Fw: Route 211 and wrenching Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 01:31:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I guess your saying that if the peg are not scraping, I must not be "hustling the VFR around up there"? Hmmm.... Also, what was my bike doing in YOUR garage? I thought I let someone else test ride it? Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Gimer > To: Kirt S. ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: Route 211 and wrenching > > > > Well, it does sound like you went into one of 'em > > waaaaay too hot, because Danny's bike was in my garage > > 3 weeks ago and the peg feelers still had their > > hymens. > > > > There are a couple of turns on 211 that still surprise > > me a bit mid-corner....and I've been out there a > > hundred times > > > > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > > well, it certainly seemed that long. :-) Maybe it > > > was that slo-mo effect > > > cuz I couldn't believe how easily it happened. I > > > was busy trying to keep up > > > with Danny Thompson and his friend whilst learning > > > the road. Danny can > > > hustle the VFR around up there... > > > > > > Kirt > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 09:49:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BDnWk28849 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA09615 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 06:46:34 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000511094344.0077abcc@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:43:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: the handle bar problem In-Reply-To: <391A11B0.28325A3F@patriot.net> References: <42.54607eb.264b53d9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >H8isabeaut@XXXXXX wrote: > >> don't think there is much chance that it's a stud gone south....the bike is >> only a month old, and both nuts are doing the same thing. arrrghhhh!!! :) >> Maybe I'll just have to breakdown and buy a shop manual. But there is no way >> I'm paying someone 60 bucks an hour to do something this simple. Why not try heading by the dealer's service department and *asking* them how to get this apart? I have to admit to not going near a service department in many years, but generally found them willing to spend a couple of minutes giving free advice. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 10:34:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BEYHk29560 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 10:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0FUE00401GGMDS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:33:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0FUE00LFMGGMFW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:33:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0FUE00201GFNT3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localHost ([166.32.192.143]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0FUE00LM8GFI8D@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:33:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Keiser Subject: Group Rides? To: DC Cycles Message-id: <0FUE00LM9GFI8D@dgismtp03.wcomnet.com> X-Mailer: MailRoom for Internet v3.1a (www.SierraSol.com) Are there any group rides, poker/dice/charity runs going on this weekend? I was at the last dice run by BRRR in Hagerstown two weekends ago, and thought I heard about something, but forgot. TIA Rob '98 VFR800 Red From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 10:41:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BEfKk29674 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 10:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 11 May 2000 10:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Robert Keiser'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Group Rides? Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:33:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain You may want to ride up to Summit Point. I hear there are several group rides going on up there this weekend. :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Keiser [SMTP:Robert.Keiser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 10:33 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Group Rides? > > Are there any group rides, poker/dice/charity runs going on this weekend? > I was at the last dice run by BRRR in Hagerstown two weekends ago, and > thought I heard about something, but forgot. TIA > > Rob > '98 VFR800 Red From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 10:55:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BEtCk29964 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 10:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4BEt0521772 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 07:55:01 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: speaking of m/c movies Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:49:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bfbb58$1a3106c0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000510233657.26163.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 It's called "Race for Glory" http://us.imdb.com/Title?0098158 A similarly bad movie is "Silver Racer" http://us.imdb.com/Title?0081517 except the story is set in Britain. Cedric Anyone seen this movie or know anything about it??? It was pretty cheesy, but hey.. it's a biker movie :) thanks in advance, Collin From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 12:01:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BG1gk01197 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09952; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391AD983.3BC8B72C@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:02:12 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Suzuki Owners Club Md." , Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , DC Kats , "LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX" , Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List , SuzukiBikes-L , Suzuki-l Subject: Suzuki Owners Club Md. Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Announcing the first meeting of the Suzuki Owners Club, for members in Maryland. This meetings agenda will focus on the organization of Maryland chapters of the Suzuki Owners Club, a membership drive and setting up ride destinations. This meeting is open to all, without regard to MC brands, but of course we'll be talking SUZUKI ;) The meeting will take place on Monday May 15th. (and the 3rd. Monday of each month following) at 7:30 pm. at: Hutson's Lake Shore Tavern, 1342 Lake Road Pasadena Maryland 21122 410-255-3833 Use this address for your favorite driving directions web site or use; http://www.mapquest.com For further information please page Steve at 410-805-7840 or you may contact Ron Kostin at 410-961-7474 Thank you, Steven Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 12:14:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BGEak01403 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HiCapMag@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.36.5c112e6 (4332) for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:14:24 -0400 (EDT) From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36.5c112e6.264c365f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:14:23 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/10/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 5/10/00 6:03:51 PM EST, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX writes: > > Spectra (and Kevlar for that matter) has been around for many years in the > > rock climbing rope industry. Perhaps > > we'll see this material make its way into future moto gear. It's already there, depending on where you look. My "casual" gloves are lined with Spectra but I had to go to a law enforcement supply catalog (US Cavalry) to find them. They're designed to protect officers from unanticipated hazards during a frisk and are marketed under the name "FriskMasters." Just checked, they're posted on uscavalry.com (search "gloves" and they are the first item to pop up) for $32.88. Haven't had to test their properties yet, knock wood, but I suspect they'd hold up pretty darn well for a low-end, non-armor glove. HCM From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 13:27:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BHREk02801 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-242-172.s426.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.242.172]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pwjr-00061R-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:27:08 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: overflow tubes Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:30:38 GMT Message-ID: <391b1784.65541661@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4BHRWk02802 which makes more since to you... 2 over flow tubes.. one above pressure cap and one below it. waterbottle has two nipples, 1 at the bottom of the bottle, one at the top (although that could just be a vent). so which makes more sense to you... pressure cap over flow tube goes out to the street for heated over flow.. and other over flow goes to the bottom of the water bottle or both tubes go to the waterbottle.. and pressure cap tube going to where on the waterbottle at the top or bottom? any input would be appreciated thanks Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 13:27:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4BHRwk02811 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000511172745.28255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.215] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 May 2000 10:27:45 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:27:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Fw: Route 211 and wrenching To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I guess your saying that if the peg are not > scraping, I must not be > "hustling the VFR around up there"? Hmmm.... I already responded to you privately about this before I saw this, different post....what I said was that if you're NOT draggin' on the VFR and Kirt IS while following you, then his entry speed is far too high (i.e., waaaay to hot). What I take from that is this: you were a smoother rider that day. 211 will do that to a virgin gap-crosser. A VFR probably touches down quicker than an F3 too... > Also, what was my bike doing in YOUR garage? I > thought I let someone else > test ride it? I live with Todd. We're lovers. ;) BTW, my bike got stolen last night from outside my girlfriend's townhouse in Bethesda. Obviously, this means that it is no longer for sale. Time for a new one anyway....this just hurries things up a bit. Oh, I blame Mark Kitchell for the theft....I mean, isn't he the one posting our addresses all over the place? ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 13:40:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BHdxk03054 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-242-172.s426.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.242.172]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pwwE-0000N3-00; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:39:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Route 211 and wrenching Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:43:24 GMT Message-ID: <391c1a89.66314869@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000511172745.28255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000511172745.28255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4BHe0k03055 |>BTW, my bike got stolen last night from outside my |>girlfriend's townhouse in Bethesda. Obviously, this That's pretty non schelant (spelling) of you. Did it have any extra kind of locks on it? |>means that it is no longer for sale. Time for a new |>one anyway....this just hurries things up a bit. Oh, I haven't seen a post saying keep an eye or or beware.. guess you don't want it back? |>I blame Mark Kitchell for the theft....I mean, isn't |>he the one posting our addresses all over the place? |>;) Hehe and I remember when I was catching flack for not using my real name on here. hey mark can you call dominos for me? J/K hehe. : ) From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 13:43:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BHhEk03166 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29255 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00034 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-242-172.s426.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.242.172]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pwzJ-0000o7-00; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:43:05 -0400 To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Uh Oh - weather alert.... Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:46:35 GMT Message-ID: <391d1bc1.66626229@smtp.erols.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000510174420.00a87e40@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000510174420.00a87e40@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4BHhNk03167 Luckily I only got pelted a little. I decided not to ride far from home. only got a little wet. It was funny how we got rain, sun & heat, more rain, more sun & heat, then a heavy down pouring. By that time I was in my supercage van. hehe. Mother nature doesn't like bikes like most moms. heh heh Daniel On Wed, 10 May 2000 17:45:18 -0400, you wrote: |>At 03:33 PM 5/10/2000 , Troutman wrote: |>>Rain I don't mind - hail is a bad thing. From the Wash Post: |> |>Well - despite my early departure, I got stuck in it. Small hail pelted me |>for a couple of miles before I ducked into a gas station. Everything is |>soaked - didn't bring rain pants today. Doh! |> |>_____________________________________ |> Mike Troutman |> mike@XXXXXX |> http://www.troutman.org/vfr |> |> '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 13:52:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BHq5k03355 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE3306297F@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Tom Gimer'" , Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fw: Route 211 and wrenching Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:47:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hey hey hey. I didn't post your address. But maybe I did steal your bike (-: Sorry about the loss Tom! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:28 PM > To: Danny Thompson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Fw: Route 211 and wrenching > > --- Danny Thompson wrote: > > I guess your saying that if the peg are not > > scraping, I must not be > > "hustling the VFR around up there"? Hmmm.... > > I already responded to you privately about this before > I saw this, different post....what I said was that if > you're NOT draggin' on the VFR and Kirt IS while > following you, then his entry speed is far too high > (i.e., waaaay to hot). What I take from that is this: > you were a smoother rider that day. 211 will do that > to a virgin gap-crosser. A VFR probably touches down > quicker than an F3 too... > > > > Also, what was my bike doing in YOUR garage? I > > thought I let someone else > > test ride it? > > I live with Todd. We're lovers. ;) > > BTW, my bike got stolen last night from outside my > girlfriend's townhouse in Bethesda. Obviously, this > means that it is no longer for sale. Time for a new > one anyway....this just hurries things up a bit. Oh, > I blame Mark Kitchell for the theft....I mean, isn't > he the one posting our addresses all over the place? > ;) > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 13:52:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4BHqmk03365 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000511175241.2202.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.215] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 May 2000 10:52:41 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Fw: Route 211 and wrenching To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > |>BTW, my bike got stolen last night from outside my > |>girlfriend's townhouse in Bethesda. Obviously, > this > > That's pretty non schelant (spelling) of you. Did > it have any extra > kind of locks on it? It had a disc lock on it, but I'm sure whoever stole it just picked it up, threw it in the back of a van/truck, and drove off. You can do that pretty easy in the wee hours of the morning, especially when I'm sleeping like a drunk baby in a far-away bedroom. > |>means that it is no longer for sale. Time for a > new > |>one anyway....this just hurries things up a bit. > Oh, > > I haven't seen a post saying keep an eye or or > beware.. guess you > don't want it back? Hell no....not in the condition it will be found in if it's found. I hope somebody chops it up rather than trashing it for a few weeks and abandoning it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 13:56:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4BHumk03385 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 11 May 2000 10:59:43 -0700 Message-ID: <391B1E87.C2CFCE2D@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:56:39 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Route 211 and wrenching References: <20000511172745.28255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> <391c1a89.66314869@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hehe and I remember when I was catching flack for not using my real > name on here. hey mark can you call dominos for me? J/K hehe. : ) Daniel, I don't think the flak was from not using your real name as much as you being an unknown newbie jumping in, posting lots of stuff, having lots of opinions, and the rest of us really had no background info about you on which to base a response, guage your level of humor, moto experience, etc. etc. That, and that whole "I'm the Man" thing probably did offend some of the more testosterone afflicted around here. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 14:02:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BI2Gk03600 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03420; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000511140030.00a1eba0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:01:45 -0400 To: Tom Gimer From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Fw: Route 211 and wrenching Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20000511175241.2202.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What were you riding, Tom? I forgot. Bad memory. Sorry for your loss. Hope karma gets the guy/people good. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:52 AM 5/11/00 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >Hell no....not in the condition it will be found in if >it's found. I hope somebody chops it up rather than >trashing it for a few weeks and abandoning it. > > >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 14:03:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4BI36k03610 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:06:00 -0700 Message-ID: <391B2001.2F08D146@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:02:57 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: those thieving bastards References: <20000511172745.28255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > BTW, my bike got stolen last night from outside my > girlfriend's townhouse in Bethesda. Obviously, this > means that it is no longer for sale. Time for a new > one anyway....this just hurries things up a bit. Tom, Bummer. Even though you were trying to sell it, it still sucks. I hope insurance comes through with something close to what you would have made on the sale. Mind posting a description again, just in case one of us sees the thieving bastard(s) riding around on it? I'd personally kick his(their) ass(es) for you... I hate this crap. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 14:13:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BIDUk03770 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12pxRX-0002aj-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:12:15 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Haven't gotten mail in 20+ hrs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did the list go down or is it just me? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 14:16:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4BIGPk03854 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000511181615.23922.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.176] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:16:15 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Fw: Route 211 and wrenching To: Jeannette Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii '98 Honda CBR900RR (black/red) 116D97 (MD tags) --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > What were you riding, Tom? I forgot. Bad memory. > Sorry for your loss. Hope karma gets the guy/people > good. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 14:20:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4BIKQk03938 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000511182020.24671.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.176] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:20:20 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: those thieving bastards To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > BTW, my bike got stolen last night from outside my > > girlfriend's townhouse in Bethesda. Obviously, > this > > means that it is no longer for sale. Time for a > new > > one anyway....this just hurries things up a bit. > > Tom, > > Bummer. Even though you were trying to sell it, it > still sucks. I hope insurance comes through with > something > close to what you would have made on the sale. > > Mind posting a description again, just in case one > of > us sees the thieving bastard(s) riding around on it? > > I'd personally kick his(their) ass(es) for you... Thanks, Dale. Here's a repost: ---'98 Honda CBR900rr----Black/red tiger scheme -28k indicated miles -Corbin seat -Factory Airbox Plus kit/jetted -Goodridge SS lines (front) -EBC rotors (front) -D207s -L/P windscreen 116D97 (md tags) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 14:35:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BIZ1k04187 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:35:33 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062985@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't gotten mail in 20+ hrs Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:30:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Its you > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 2:13 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Haven't gotten mail in 20+ hrs > > > Did the list go down or is it just me? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 15:04:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from meer.meer.net (meer.meer.net [140.174.164.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BJ4ck04629 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from markandbonnie.com (pm3a-23.elkins.meer.net [216.206.137.23]) by meer.meer.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/meer) with ESMTP id MAA628295 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <391B09EE.6C94CFE0@markandbonnie.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:29:01 -0400 From: mark Reply-To: mark@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: group rides Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have a 90 softail and live and ride in the mountain highlands of west virginia. Would y'all be interested in setting up a "motorcycle mystery tour" some august / early september weekend? I think it would be great to have everything set up... lodging, food, stops, canoing, or whatever. There are some extremely beautiful roads in our area. If anyone's interested let me know. If you want to see a web site about this region, go to http://mountainhighlands.com Mark Branciaroli Elkins, WV From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 15:05:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BJ5pk04727 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA04574 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000511150440.00a44750@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:06:03 -0400 To: "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Good News!!!! In-Reply-To: <20000510162428117-1de4451f@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just found out that my 3rd reader has signed off on my thesis. My degree is within my grasp, the light at the end of the tunnel is approaching! Just had to share with someone!, lots of someones!!! : ) Moto-related: I rode in today. : ) - Jeannette http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 15:31:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BJVHk05215 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4BJVEv01462 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:31:14 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Good News!!!! Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:25:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfbb7e$af63f420$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000511150440.00a44750@intertv.com> Congrats!, why the moto-related? Isn't your thesis on motorcycles? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA Just had to share with someone!, lots of someones!!! : ) Moto-related: I rode in today. : ) - Jeannette http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 15:43:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BJhSk05392 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.a3.5d9c80b (4252) for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:43:13 EDT Subject: Racing at Summit Point. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Hello, who else beside myself is racing this weekend at S.P.? From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 16:03:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BK3hk05759 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 16:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 11 May 2000 16:03:53 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062998@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'MOTO748@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Racing at Summit Point. Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:58:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Jeff: Hopefully alot of people or you are gonna walk away with every race you enter (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: MOTO748@XXXXXX [SMTP:MOTO748@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 3:43 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Racing at Summit Point. > > Hello, > who else beside myself is racing this weekend at S.P.? From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 17:09:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BL9Ak06874 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 11 May 2000 17:07:34 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Racing at Summit Point Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Jeff, I was planning on it, but my AC in the house went on the fritz. It ate up my minimal racing budget and then some (guess I can't race until the ZX9 gets sold). I may come out one day and support and/or corner work. Thought you were a WERA guy, didn't expect you out on a CCS weekend :) Jay St. Peter '95 ZX9R (for sale) '93/4 CBR600 F2 racebike (also for sale) From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 17:35:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BLZ6k07367 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 11 May 2000 17:34:58 -0400 Message-ID: <391B2541.1777238C@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:25:21 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Racing at Summit Point. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm planning on spectating and/or working. Should I look for you in the usual place? Will the banner be there? Larry MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello, > who else beside myself is racing this weekend at S.P.? From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 18:10:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4BMAFk07929 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 8.e4.4c84fc6 (4322); Thu, 11 May 2000 18:05:12 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:05:12 EDT Subject: The Great Land Grab To: Roadhouse@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sorry for the cross-post, but here's another article and a chance to vote (and voice your opinion if you follow the link to the Forest Service) on the great Clinton land grab. This land grab affects more than just off-roaders! And the sad thing is, Congress isn't involved so we don't even get a vote on the matter. http://news.motorcycle.com/957976795/index_html Rob VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 19:20:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4BNKck09198 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000511232030.19804.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.45.18.20] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 May 2000 16:20:30 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:20:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: group rides To: mark@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Welcome to the list, Mark. You live in a great area for motorcycle riding. The rest of us have to commute there on the weekends. :) Sean Sullivan --- mark wrote: > Hello, I have a 90 softail and live and ride in the > mountain highlands > of west virginia. > > > Mark Branciaroli > Elkins, WV > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 20:13:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4C0DMk10014 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 20:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.37.50d916e (3968); Thu, 11 May 2000 20:13:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <37.50d916e.264ca696@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:13:10 EDT Subject: Re: Racing at Summit Point. To: MOTO748@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/11/00 3:48:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MOTO748@XXXXXX writes: > Hello, > who else beside myself is racing this weekend at S.P.? I'm there after work tomorrow... just got back from the practice today ... running low 1:27's consistently Woo Hoo! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu May 11 21:02:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4C12rk10764 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.a2.43ea035 (7776) for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:02:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:02:46 EDT Subject: Any race bikes someone might loan me for MARRC on Saturday? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Finally got Randy Moran's ZX-7 up and running & assembled today, but to make a long story short, the clutch suddenly began slipping. I suspect the clutch springs, and am in the process of finding out. On the off chance I don't get the Ninja back to running order, does anyone have a bike they might be able to lend me for the MARRC class this Saturday? I can provide some 'riding references'...if you want. I'm sure someone out there will vouch for me. Anywho, I would be greatly in your debt, and could perhaps arrange some form of compensation. Understand this is last minute and everything, and appreciate any help anyone could provide. Thanks again. -Sean Jordan (703)-450-1892 -home (703)-609-6147 -cell From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 01:02:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web122.yahoomail.com (web122.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4C52Ek15149 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19077 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2000 05:02:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000512050202.19076.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.173.114.140] by web122.yahoomail.com; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:02:02 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: rdrdr Subject: for sale: Suzuki DR650 95' To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, i've been resisting selling it for too long but the credit cards are hungry and its time to part with an ol' friend: 95' Suzuki DR650 38,000 miles Runs great Needs new chain and sprockets I bought this bike new in 95' when I arrived here. I put all the miles on it myself including two long range trips (Colorado and Baja). $2,000 obo Going on sale to the general public on Sunday. Email me here or contact me at 301-646-6301 Niv BMW F650ST Suzuki DR650 - being sold __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 08:08:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CC87k22903 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10182 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm2a-93.his.com [216.200.82.93]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20039 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000512080328.00923100@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:03:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Racing at Summit Point. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:43 PM 5/11/00 EDT, MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: >Hello, > who else beside myself is racing this weekend at S.P.? I'll be there friday night. I'm not actually racing till sunday, we'll be doing the school all day saturday. Team Charm on the silver & white TL-R. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 08:29:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CCTQk23195 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07651 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22140 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA28928; Fri, 12 May 2000 07:36:53 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Suzuki-L" , "Suzuki Owners Club MD" , "Suzuki-bikes" Subject: Free CW Fender Eliminator Kit for a TL1000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:29:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bfbc0d$ac565900$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal On June 1, I will be drawing one name from the TL Owners Club members for a Competition Werkes Fender Eliminator Kit. It can be either an R or S model. If the user has no need for the unit, I will draw a 2nd name, etc. I will pay shipping in the continental US. The recipient must pay shipping beyond that. There is still plenty of time to join the TL Owners Club, get your CD, etc before the drawing. The application for joining is at http://www.tl1000.com and click on TLOC Application. Thanks for your time! Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 08:45:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CCj3k23493 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12qEoH-0002bn-00; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:44:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 8:41 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Cc: "Rob Bell" Subject: another electrical system quiz Message-ID: <20000512084209173-7f1dd30@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii electrical system is acting up again. coming out of nice corner, glance to speedo as I know cops sit up here, "NO I didn't just see that the speedo needle didn't just flop down and back up." mile later slow to pull into shopping center "shit, i did see the needle flop" came to a halt at stop sign and bike dies. Now I had an intermittent regulator that went out completely in March. have replaced and have<2000 miles since then. With that, bike would stay running if I kept RPMs up. Now after a jump I hold the revs at 3500-4000 and it's real lumpy, like it's missing or the cylinders aren't sure what order to fire in. It also died out while I was riding w/ RPMs about 6000. so, i'm thinking it's not the reg/rec again. any thoughts folks?? TIA Rob - 96vfr From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 09:19:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net [129.250.36.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CDJ4k23936 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12qFLJ-0000N0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 May 2000 13:19:01 +0000 Received: from [209.70.174.26] (helo=david500) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12qFLJ-0006Ow-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 May 2000 13:19:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01bfbc14$b7c87a00$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000512080328.00923100@mail.his.com> Subject: Reckless Driving Ticket Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:19:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This mornings commute was great up until the point that I got a ticket for reckless driving on the Dulles Toll Road. Any suggestions on a point of attack for my mandatory court date in July? Here are the details: Ticket says: Reckless Driving To Wit, Speeding 80/55 zone (Paced) The officer told me that he had written me up at 79 since he paced me at speeds ranging from 79-82. I was pretty sure that I was not going 80. 75 probably, but I really dont think I was going 80. I was keeping pace with a Dodge Durango in the next lane and 4-5 car lengths ahead of me that was going perhaps 1 or 2 mph faster than I was. Traffic on the Toll Road cruises at around 70mph on average with some going 75 and others going 65. When I was being pulled over I thought he was mistakenly pulling me over for and HOV violation (perhaps not knowing that motorcycles are permitted on HOV lanes) because I was not concious that I was speeding. My startegy: Plead for leaniencey using the arguement that I did not violate the spirit of the law. At most I was going only 10mph more than some of the slower traffic on the toll road. At best I was going slower than at least one other vehicle. I was certainly not going 20mph more than anyone else. I will agree that I was guilty of speeding, and as for Reckless driving I did violate the letter of the law, but certainly not the spirit of the law. Any suggestions you guys have would be appreciated. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 09:27:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CDRjk24118 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.46.53d826a (4419) for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:27:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <46.53d826a.264d60bd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:27:25 EDT Subject: Another plea. (Need racebike for MARRC class) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Finally got Randy Moran's ZX-7 up and running & assembled today, but to make a long story short, the clutch suddenly began slipping. I suspect the clutch springs, and am in the process of finding out. On the off chance I don't get the Ninja back to running order, does anyone have a bike they might be able to lend me for the MARRC class this Saturday? I can provide some 'riding references'...if you want. I'm sure someone out there will vouch for me. Anywho, I would be greatly in your debt, and could perhaps arrange some form of compensation. Understand this is last minute and everything, and appreciate any help anyone could provide. Thanks again. -Sean Jordan (703)-450-1892 -home (703)-609-6147 -cell From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 09:29:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CDTrk24138 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:30:31 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629A4@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Dave Cross'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Reckless Driving Ticket Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:25:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Get your speedo calibrated. Maybe with new tires or general bike manufactuer error, its off (but maybe in the other diction too). > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Cross [SMTP:dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 9:20 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Reckless Driving Ticket > > This mornings commute was great up until the point that I got a ticket for > reckless driving on the Dulles Toll Road. Any suggestions on a point of > attack for my mandatory court date in July? > > Here are the details: > > Ticket says: > Reckless Driving To Wit, Speeding 80/55 zone (Paced) > > The officer told me that he had written me up at 79 since he paced me at > speeds ranging from 79-82. I was pretty sure that I was not going 80. 75 > probably, but I really dont think I was going 80. I was keeping pace with > a > Dodge Durango in the next lane and 4-5 car lengths ahead of me that was > going perhaps 1 or 2 mph faster than I was. > > Traffic on the Toll Road cruises at around 70mph on average with some > going > 75 and others going 65. When I was being pulled over I thought he was > mistakenly pulling me over for and HOV violation (perhaps not knowing that > motorcycles are permitted on HOV lanes) because I was not concious that I > was speeding. > > My startegy: > Plead for leaniencey using the arguement that I did not violate the spirit > of the law. At most I was going only 10mph more than some of the slower > traffic on the toll road. At best I was going slower than at least one > other vehicle. I was certainly not going 20mph more than anyone else. I > will agree that I was guilty of speeding, and as for Reckless driving I > did > violate the letter of the law, but certainly not the spirit of the law. > > Any suggestions you guys have would be appreciated. > > Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 09:37:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CDbPk24301 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-132.patriot.net [209.249.180.132]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA12739; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:37:12 -0400 Message-ID: <391C07E0.3D45F5B2@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:32:16 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Cross CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket References: <3.0.5.32.20000512080328.00923100@mail.his.com> <000c01bfbc14$b7c87a00$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reckless is the speed - more than 20 over. You're fried unless the judge sees fit to drop the number down and merely nail you for speeding. If you have priors start shopping for a good pair of hiking boots. Bill Dave Cross wrote: > This mornings commute was great up until the point that I got a ticket for > reckless driving on the Dulles Toll Road. Any suggestions on a point of > attack for my mandatory court date in July? > > Here are the details: > > Ticket says: > Reckless Driving To Wit, Speeding 80/55 zone (Paced) > > The officer told me that he had written me up at 79 since he paced me at > speeds ranging from 79-82. I was pretty sure that I was not going 80. 75 > probably, but I really dont think I was going 80. I was keeping pace with a > Dodge Durango in the next lane and 4-5 car lengths ahead of me that was > going perhaps 1 or 2 mph faster than I was. > > Traffic on the Toll Road cruises at around 70mph on average with some going > 75 and others going 65. When I was being pulled over I thought he was > mistakenly pulling me over for and HOV violation (perhaps not knowing that > motorcycles are permitted on HOV lanes) because I was not concious that I > was speeding. > > My startegy: > Plead for leaniencey using the arguement that I did not violate the spirit > of the law. At most I was going only 10mph more than some of the slower > traffic on the toll road. At best I was going slower than at least one > other vehicle. I was certainly not going 20mph more than anyone else. I > will agree that I was guilty of speeding, and as for Reckless driving I did > violate the letter of the law, but certainly not the spirit of the law. > > Any suggestions you guys have would be appreciated. > > Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 09:41:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CDflk24314 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:42:25 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629A6@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: Mark Kitchell , "'Dave Cross'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Reckless Driving Ticket Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:37:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I meant direction. Also, be nice and presentable at court, don't rag on the officer. You are almost sure to get it reduce to 79 which is just speeding. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 9:25 AM > To: 'Dave Cross'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Reckless Driving Ticket > > Get your speedo calibrated. Maybe with new tires or general bike > manufactuer error, its off (but maybe in the other diction too). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Cross [SMTP:dave@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 9:20 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Reckless Driving Ticket > > > > This mornings commute was great up until the point that I got a ticket > for > > reckless driving on the Dulles Toll Road. Any suggestions on a point of > > attack for my mandatory court date in July? > > > > Here are the details: > > > > Ticket says: > > Reckless Driving To Wit, Speeding 80/55 zone (Paced) > > > > The officer told me that he had written me up at 79 since he paced me at > > speeds ranging from 79-82. I was pretty sure that I was not going 80. > 75 > > probably, but I really dont think I was going 80. I was keeping pace > with > > a > > Dodge Durango in the next lane and 4-5 car lengths ahead of me that was > > going perhaps 1 or 2 mph faster than I was. > > > > Traffic on the Toll Road cruises at around 70mph on average with some > > going > > 75 and others going 65. When I was being pulled over I thought he was > > mistakenly pulling me over for and HOV violation (perhaps not knowing > that > > motorcycles are permitted on HOV lanes) because I was not concious that > I > > was speeding. > > > > My startegy: > > Plead for leaniencey using the arguement that I did not violate the > spirit > > of the law. At most I was going only 10mph more than some of the slower > > traffic on the toll road. At best I was going slower than at least one > > other vehicle. I was certainly not going 20mph more than anyone else. > I > > will agree that I was guilty of speeding, and as for Reckless driving I > > did > > violate the letter of the law, but certainly not the spirit of the law. > > > > Any suggestions you guys have would be appreciated. > > > > Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 09:53:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4CDrtk24536 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 12 May 2000 16:52:26 UT Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 9:51 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "Mkitchell@XXXXXX" , "dave@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Reckless Driving Ticket Message-ID: <20000512095436576-26cc0fe9@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe not... FFX Co and VA State are doing that Road Shark thing again.... odds are likely that they will stick the biggest fine to you that they can... that sucks but is more than likely the case. Keep us posted... Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 10:18:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CEI1k25278 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (dialup34.megapipe.net [208.218.73.34]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22767; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:16:44 -0400 Message-ID: <007301bfbc1c$94c04d00$0100a8c0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , "Dave Cross" References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629A4@QSI_TYSONS> Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:15:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Good luck finding a place to calibrate a motorcycle speedo. They don't exist. I searched for almost a month when I got a reckless (75/55) on the Toll Road last year. And getting it reduced to 79 won't help the reckless either. 20 mph over can be reckless at the officers discretion. I hired a lawyer to help with my ticket, he got it reduced to improper driving after showing the judge that my record was clean for almost 20 years. That and the State Trooper agreed that I was very polite and cooperative. With the Road Shark enforcement in effect I would say your chances are slim, but you should do everything you can to at least get rid of the reckless part of the charge. Reckless driving stays on your record for 11 (yes, eleven) years in Virginia. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Get your speedo calibrated. Maybe with new tires or general bike > manufactuer error, its off (but maybe in the other diction too). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Also, be nice and presentable at court, don't rag on the officer. You are > almost sure to get it reduce to 79 which is just speeding. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 10:24:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CEOOk25459 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.3f.4ac2817 (2701) for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:24:10 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3f.4ac2817.264d6e0a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:24:10 EDT Subject: Bike theft: Ducati To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Well, They've struck again. Last night my beautifully restored to pristine 748 was stolen from aqauia plaza in front of Carlos O'kelly's. The bike was last seen around 7 p.m. and discovered missing around 9-9:30 p.m. For those of you not familar with it, it is Yellow with a yellow/white mono tail. The bike has c/f (new) exhaust and gold magnesium wheels, Corbin seat, Olin's rear shock and Zero gravity dark tinted wind screen. The bike has California plates and should stick out like a sore thumb. I should have trusted to my insticts and just left it in the garage. Keep an eye open if you would please and keep an eye on your OWN bike as well. Jeff- Please officer, just one well placed round. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 10:36:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CEaMk25836 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:36:49 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629B1@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'MOTO748@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "'David Forbes'" Subject: RE: Bike theft: Ducati Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:31:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Oh no Jeff. Was that the bike you raced? I am so sorry it is a beauty. Man there are alot of thefts going around. Was it locked? Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: MOTO748@XXXXXX [SMTP:MOTO748@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 10:24 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike theft: Ducati > > Well, > They've struck again. Last night my beautifully > restored to pristine 748 was stolen from aqauia > plaza in front of Carlos O'kelly's. The bike was > last seen around 7 p.m. and discovered missing around > 9-9:30 p.m. > > For those of you not familar with it, it is Yellow > with a yellow/white mono tail. The bike has c/f (new) > exhaust and gold magnesium wheels, Corbin seat, Olin's > rear shock and Zero gravity dark tinted wind screen. > > The bike has California plates and should stick out > like a sore thumb. > > I should have trusted to my insticts and just left it > in the garage. > > Keep an eye open if you would please and keep an eye > on your OWN bike as well. > > Jeff- Please officer, just one well placed round. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 10:52:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from Draco.house.gov (draco.house.gov [143.231.86.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CEq8k26176 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrmims03.house.gov (hrmims03.house.gov [143.231.32.159]) by Draco.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25273; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hrmims03.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:51:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "'David Forbes'" Subject: RE: Bike theft: Ducati Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:51:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I have never seen such a tirade of thefts. Supposedly the DC/tri-state area is among the highest theft areas in the country. Based on my experience and the unfortunate experience of others, we should certainly take great measures to protect our motorcycles. I've recently found out that my bike was simply wheeled away (not to mention dropped on it's side). A disc lock could have made all the difference. Sorry to hear about the Duck man, that is a truly awesome bike. Seth ex-TLR VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 10:55:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CEtIk26200 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: YSR Racing Schedule for Y2K Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:47:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain There have been a few people on the list who have expressed an interest in going to watch the local YSR races. The following is the schedule for the YSR events at the local track at Monrovia, Maryland. This track is a bit south of Frederick. There are some nice roads in the area, in case anyone is planning to ride up to the races. For more information, visit http://alaska.magpage.com/~cfaison/ysr.htm. YSRs are small 50-80cc motorcycles usually raced on go-kart tracks. April 16 Practice April 30 Sprint Races May 21 Sprint Races June 17 Sprint Races June 18 Endurance Races July 9 Sprint Races September 3 Sprint Races September 4 Endurance Races September 17 Sprint Races Chris Weaver '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 11:11:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CFBsk26460 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from accessetestbox.mrf.va.noc.rcn.net ([207.172.25.70] helo=rcn.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qH6V-000170-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:11:51 -0400 Sender: jhoof Message-ID: <391C2142.DF5FBDFD@rcn.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:20:34 +0000 From: James Hoofnagle Reply-To: james.hoofnagle@XXXXXX Organization: rcn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Afternoon ride? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any body wanna go out for a quick spin sometime after 2? Leaving from Vienna/Fairfax/Fair Lakes area -- James Hoofnagle Field Engineer RCN Merrifield, VA 22124 (703)208-5422 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 11:12:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CFCVk26544 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-242-172.s426.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.242.172]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qH76-0005vH-00; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:12:28 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Rob Bell" Cc: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "Rob Bell" Subject: Re: another electrical system quiz Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:16:07 GMT Message-ID: <391c4a4c.144089589@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000512084209173-7f1dd30@watsonwyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <20000512084209173-7f1dd30@watsonwyatt.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4CFCXk26545 faulty ignition switch? On Fri, 12 May 2000 8:41 -0400, you wrote: |>electrical system is acting up again. coming out of nice corner, glance to |>speedo as I know cops sit up here, "NO I didn't just see that the speedo needle |>didn't just flop down and back up." mile later slow to pull into shopping |>center "shit, i did see the needle flop" came to a halt at stop sign and bike |>dies. Now I had an intermittent regulator that went out completely in March. |> have replaced and have<2000 miles since then. With that, bike would stay |>running if I kept RPMs up. Now after a jump I hold the revs at 3500-4000 and |>it's real lumpy, like it's missing or the cylinders aren't sure what order to |>fire in. It also died out while I was riding w/ RPMs about 6000. so, i'm |>thinking it's not the reg/rec again. any thoughts folks?? TIA |> |>Rob - 96vfr From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 11:14:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CFEUk26576 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-242-172.s426.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.242.172]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qH93-0006Gt-00; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:14:29 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: "'Dave Cross'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:18:08 GMT Message-ID: <391d4ac9.144214574@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629A4@QSI_TYSONS> In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629A4@QSI_TYSONS> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4CFEVk26577 On Fri, 12 May 2000 09:25:17 -0400, you wrote: |>Get your speedo calibrated. Maybe with new tires or general bike |>manufactuer error, its off (but maybe in the other diction too). and mention that in court, whatever you find. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 11:18:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CFIrk26655 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-55.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.183]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11660; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391C4C01.A2932DA1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:22:57 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MOTO748@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike theft: Ducati References: <3f.4ac2817.264d6e0a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, Two words: THAT SUCKS. Seems like more than just a few m/c thefts being reported recently. I guess the theiving bastards know there are more people out riding due to the warmer/nicer weather. I guess that's one of the reasons I mostly just ride my bike and don't leave it parked anywhere where I can't see it. Not that a '93 GSXR 750 is necessarily high on anyone's list to steal, but... Jeff, I am truly bummed for you. I'll keep my eyes open as I'm out and about. A yellow 748 shouldn't be too hard to spot. I'd be surprised, however, if the CA plates are still on it (if the thief had any brains they'd be long gone and another set of plates would be on it). Chuck MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well, > They've struck again. Last night my beautifully > restored to pristine 748 was stolen from aqauia > plaza in front of Carlos O'kelly's. The bike was > last seen around 7 p.m. and discovered missing around > 9-9:30 p.m. > > For those of you not familar with it, it is Yellow > with a yellow/white mono tail. The bike has c/f (new) > exhaust and gold magnesium wheels, Corbin seat, Olin's > rear shock and Zero gravity dark tinted wind screen. > > The bike has California plates and should stick out > like a sore thumb. > > I should have trusted to my insticts and just left it > in the garage. > > Keep an eye open if you would please and keep an eye > on your OWN bike as well. > > Jeff- Please officer, just one well placed round. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 11:24:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from zaphod.smartbrief.com (IDENT:qmailr@[216.200.101.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4CFO6k26748 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10353 invoked from network); 12 May 2000 15:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smartbrief.com) (209.249.183.182) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 12 May 2000 15:26:03 -0000 Message-ID: <391C2282.A33C81C7@smartbrief.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:25:54 -0400 From: Zachariah Mully Organization: SmartBrief.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike theft: Ducati References: <3f.4ac2817.264d6e0a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My sincerest apologies about your bike, sounds like a stunner... Which brings me to my question. With the rash of thefts that we've seen on the list (and albeit we are a much smaller segement of a large motorcycling population) is there anyone out there that makes a Lojak type device for motorcycles? Or is there some reason that they don't? I would assume that most motorcycles are stolen and almost immediately parted out and hiding a large RF transmitter on it would be quite a job to tackle not to mention that it would be the first thing the thief would pry off with a crowbar (or at least check for before stealing)... Now that I am in the process of purchasing another bike and I have moved into the city, this has me worried. I would be interested to hear what steps people are taking to protect their bikes... disc locks, kryptonite u-locks to lampposts, alarms etc. etc. What is recommended? Believe me, I wouldn't want to be the thief when we get our hands on him ;( Zack MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well, > They've struck again. Last night my beautifully > restored to pristine 748 was stolen from aqauia > plaza in front of Carlos O'kelly's. The bike was > last seen around 7 p.m. and discovered missing around > 9-9:30 p.m. > > For those of you not familar with it, it is Yellow > with a yellow/white mono tail. The bike has c/f (new) > exhaust and gold magnesium wheels, Corbin seat, Olin's > rear shock and Zero gravity dark tinted wind screen. > > The bike has California plates and should stick out > like a sore thumb. > > I should have trusted to my insticts and just left it > in the garage. > > Keep an eye open if you would please and keep an eye > on your OWN bike as well. > > Jeff- Please officer, just one well placed round. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 11:29:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CFTtk26835 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08639 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01796 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA00487; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:37:23 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Bike theft: Ducati Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:28:57 -0400 Message-ID: <005601bfbc26$ca2402c0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <3f.4ac2817.264d6e0a@aol.com> Importance: Normal I'm sure the plates will be changed. Will keep an eye out at Summit Point this weekend. Would you give the last 3 digits of the VIN# or something? (and where is it on the duc?) > -----Original Message----- > From: MOTO748@XXXXXX [mailto:MOTO748@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 10:24 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike theft: Ducati > > > Well, > They've struck again. Last night my beautifully > restored to pristine 748 was stolen from aqauia > plaza in front of Carlos O'kelly's. The bike was > last seen around 7 p.m. and discovered missing around > 9-9:30 p.m. > > For those of you not familar with it, it is Yellow > with a yellow/white mono tail. The bike has c/f (new) > exhaust and gold magnesium wheels, Corbin seat, Olin's > rear shock and Zero gravity dark tinted wind screen. > > The bike has California plates and should stick out > like a sore thumb. > > I should have trusted to my insticts and just left it > in the garage. > > Keep an eye open if you would please and keep an eye > on your OWN bike as well. > > Jeff- Please officer, just one well placed round. > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 11:34:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CFYlk26930 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Bike theft: Ducati Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:26:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Jeff, Any chance of posting the VIN number of the bike? At least the last four or five digits would be good to know, in case we come across a parked 748. I'll write them down on a slip of paper just in case I run into one. Also, where is the VIN number on the 748? I assume it's on the frame near the steering head somewhere. Truly, you have my sympathy on the loss of your bike. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Well, > > They've struck again. Last night my beautifully > > restored to pristine 748 was stolen from aqauia > > plaza in front of Carlos O'kelly's. The bike was > > last seen around 7 p.m. and discovered missing around > > 9-9:30 p.m. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 12:05:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CG5ek27543 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-242-172.s426.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.242.172]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qHwX-00007c-00; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:05:37 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Dave Cross" Cc: Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:09:17 GMT Message-ID: <391e4c07.144532384@smtp.erols.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000512080328.00923100@mail.his.com> <000c01bfbc14$b7c87a00$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> In-Reply-To: <000c01bfbc14$b7c87a00$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4CG5kk27544 You might want to borrow someone's GPS unit and compare the speeds to your speedometer. Maybe it would help in court if you testified to whatever your findings were. that might be good for explaining why you were not aware you were speeding to the point of wreckless riding. Maybe say you know it's wrong to ride at the flow of traffic, but you feel a little more at risk sometimes when traffic is constantly riding up on the rear of your bike, and going around, or even riding in the far right lane with all the merger traffic.. General ideas to I would think one wants to get across is 1> acknowledge indescretion / lack of judgement 2> provide proof/testimony as to why being unaware of such a rate of speed (speedometer reads off? ) 3> acknowledge that you weren't out joy riding as if on a racetrack but commuting to work? in what seemed to be a reasonable and safe manner of riding for those road & traffic conditions. 4> admit guilt of "something" but request lienency and request that the court can agree it's of speeding but not wreckless driving. Did i mention "uncomfortable riding in the far right merger lane, and uncofortable being tailgated in any other left lane"? gotta be careful tho, being tailgated is no excuse. so you "generally wanted to stay away from cars, yet ride in safe and reasonable manner" Maybe you can call and find out who the DA? will be in the case before hand, approach him/her in person and express your concerns and come to an arrangement. Daniel On Fri, 12 May 2000 09:19:35 -0400, you wrote: |>This mornings commute was great up until the point that I got a ticket for |>reckless driving on the Dulles Toll Road. Any suggestions on a point of |>attack for my mandatory court date in July? |> |>Here are the details: |> |>Ticket says: |>Reckless Driving To Wit, Speeding 80/55 zone (Paced) |> |>The officer told me that he had written me up at 79 since he paced me at |>speeds ranging from 79-82. I was pretty sure that I was not going 80. 75 |>probably, but I really dont think I was going 80. I was keeping pace with a |>Dodge Durango in the next lane and 4-5 car lengths ahead of me that was |>going perhaps 1 or 2 mph faster than I was. |> |>Traffic on the Toll Road cruises at around 70mph on average with some going |>75 and others going 65. When I was being pulled over I thought he was |>mistakenly pulling me over for and HOV violation (perhaps not knowing that |>motorcycles are permitted on HOV lanes) because I was not concious that I |>was speeding. |> |>My startegy: |>Plead for leaniencey using the arguement that I did not violate the spirit |>of the law. At most I was going only 10mph more than some of the slower |>traffic on the toll road. At best I was going slower than at least one |>other vehicle. I was certainly not going 20mph more than anyone else. I |>will agree that I was guilty of speeding, and as for Reckless driving I did |>violate the letter of the law, but certainly not the spirit of the law. |> |>Any suggestions you guys have would be appreciated. |> |>Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 12:07:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f222.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4CG7hk27563 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69770 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2000 16:07:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000512160735.69769.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.89.183 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:07:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.183] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike theft: Ducati Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:07:35 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > My sincerest apologies about your bike, sounds like a stunner... Which >brings me to my question. > With the rash of thefts that we've seen on the list (and albeit we are >a much smaller segement of a large motorcycling population) is there >anyone out there that makes a Lojak type device for motorcycles? Or is >there some reason that they don't? I would assume that most motorcycles >are stolen and almost immediately parted out and hiding a large RF >transmitter on it would be quite a job to tackle not to mention that it >would be the first thing the thief would pry off with a crowbar (or at >least check for before stealing)... Now that I am in the process of >purchasing another bike and I have moved into the city, this has me >worried. I would be interested to hear what steps people are taking to >protect their bikes... disc locks, kryptonite u-locks to lampposts, >alarms etc. etc. What is recommended? > Believe me, I wouldn't want to be the thief when we get our hands on >him ;( > After I had my '96 GPz1100 stolen (the replacement GPz was traded in on my 99 ZX9R) less than 10 steps from my front door, in a nice area of Lake Ridge, I did the following: Drilled holes in the cement curbing, Bolted a 1/4 inch thick piece of angle iron to the curbing w/ 8 inch long concrete lag bolts, Drilled 2 holes in the iron to accommodate 2 "fat-ass" store front style Master Locks, Disk lock in front disk to kryptonite cable through frame to 1st lock, "Rock Lock" through back wheel to kryptonite cable through frame, around back tire to 2nd lock, Installed a Scorpio alarm w/pager that has a microwave "mass motion" detector to alert me of any presence NEAR my beloved "9". Now I know this sounds extreme, but my bike is worth the hassle to me. It is kind of a pain to unlock in the a.m. then lock it back up in the p.m. but these are the times we live in. I realize that if they want my bike bad enough, they'll get it, but I'm gonna make them work their ass off to get it!! I'm also very confident that my alarm (yes I take it to bed with me) will go nuts long before they can dismantle my security. Razz '99 ZX9R '86 LTD454 '83 LTD440 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 12:12:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CGC5k27640 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08878 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f160.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.160]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA03834 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49298 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2000 16:11:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000512161139.49297.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.89.183 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:11:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.183] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike theft: Ducati Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:11:39 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >I'm sure the plates will be changed. Will keep an eye out at Summit Point >this weekend. Would you give the last 3 digits of the VIN# or something? >(and where is it on the duc?) Don't be too sure. When my bike was found many months later, it was in a chop shop in the Carolinias and still had my plate on it!!! Razz '99 ZX9R '86 LTD 454 '83 LTD 440 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 13:42:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CHgNk29230 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 13:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.9c.3a0899d (15546) for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 13:42:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.3a0899d.264d9c76@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:42:14 EDT Subject: Duc vin# To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown The vin # on my Ducati is on the right side of the stearing neck. It may be located somewhere else as well but I'm not sure. The last Four numbers on my bike are: 3578 The bike also has ECS adjustable rearsets, titanium front axle, steel braided lines, Brembo cast iron rotors and c/f shock guard, heel guards, swingarm shield, sprocket cover and clutch cover as well as a lexin headlight sheild. Thanks, Jeff From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 14:05:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CI5Vk29656 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Collin obviously has too much time on his hands Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:03:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Now he's trying to go _everywhere_. see http://www.teamstrange.com/, and the "I've Been Everywhere Tour". Go #305! -Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 14:07:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CI7Kk29666 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-203-31.s285.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.203.31] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qJqI-0001ev-00; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:07:19 -0400 Message-ID: <01f101bfbbd8$70db1800$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: braking issues.... Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:08:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 not break in... but my front breaks on my F4. They "pulse" indicating that I probably have a bent rotor... This sucks. It's not TOO bad, but it is noticeable at very low speeds. Anyways, I don't think they are both warped, and I need to figure out which one is. Anyone in the Northern Va, or Washington DC area have a front fork stand so I can attempt to figure it out? Also, if only one is busted, I'm gonna have to buy an OEM outrageously expensive Honda front rotor right? Thanks in advance... Kirt From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 14:20:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CIKOk29945 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA27035 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <027001bfbc3e$dd0f39a0$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Track Days? Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:21:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Does anyone know when another track day is being held at Summit Pt. I have a student who thinks he is a rider and I want to get him on the track. He goes to the local 1/8 mile dragstrip and thinks he is hot sh*t. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA www.onewayracing.org WERA Ameture # 903 Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 14:20:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CIKXk29955 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-08.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.200]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27233; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391C769E.556B9B5C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:24:46 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike,rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing To: DC Cycles , Mark Kitchell , Suzuki Bikes , PARR@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone, Not wasting any time after the first Bike Night on May 7th (which was a big success -- again, THANK YOU to all who attended!), Mark and I are already putting together the next one: Bike Night 2. It will be on Sunday, June 11th from 5pm to 9pm (we're starting an hour earlier), again at CarPool in Arlington, VA. Go to http://www.geocities.com/bikenight for more info. Please note that this website is a "work in progress" and will be updated as we get commitments from Bike Night 2 supporters. So far, we've got lined up: Crossroads Cycles, Java Shack, Patriot Harley-Davidson, and PowerRider Motorsports. Spread the word! Feel free (actually, we'd like you to) to cross-post this to other motorcycle mailing lists. Let other motorcyclists and motorcycle clubs know about it. Our goal is to have 100+ motorcycles at the next bike night. Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 14:30:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CIU5k00235 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:22:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Kirt S.'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: braking issues.... Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:22:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I recently went through this with my VTR. I looked around for used rotors, and had a salvage shop I found on the internet send me one. I paid about $100 as I recall. Before you go this route, you may want to make sure it's really a bent/warped rotor. It could very well be that you need to clean your brake calipers and pistons. A lot of brake dust buildup can cause this pulsing effect, and it wouldn't cost you more than a can of brake cleaner and some spare time. If/when you buy a used rotor and you want to swap it out, send me an email. You can come over to my place and use my Pit Bull stands (you must use a rear stand if you use a front stand). I have both front and rear. It's very easy and quick to do this operation. You'll need some threadlock and the correct torque values for the brake disc bolts and the front axle bolt. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt S. [SMTP:ksenser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 2:08 AM > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@dirty.meretrix.com; > Subject: braking issues.... > > not break in... but my front breaks on my F4. They "pulse" indicating > that > I probably have a bent rotor... This sucks. It's not TOO bad, but it is > noticeable at very low speeds. Anyways, I don't think they are both > warped, > and I need to figure out which one is. Anyone in the Northern Va, or > Washington DC area have a front fork stand so I can attempt to figure it > out? Also, if only one is busted, I'm gonna have to buy an OEM > outrageously > expensive Honda front rotor right? > > Thanks in advance... > > Kirt > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 14:39:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CIdbk00342 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:31:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Danny Thompson'" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: Track Days? Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:31:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sept. 5 & 18. The one on the 5th is by Loudoun Motorsports and the one on the 15th is by Cycle Sport. I don't know of any earlier in the year than those, unfortunately. I'll be going to at least one of them myself. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 2:21 PM > To: D.C. Cycles > Subject: Track Days? > > Does anyone know when another track day is being held at Summit Pt. I have > a > student who thinks he is a rider and I want to get him on the track. He > goes > to the local 1/8 mile dragstrip and thinks he is hot sh*t. > Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 16:56:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CKuDk03060 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id r.60.3070870 (3975); Fri, 12 May 2000 16:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <60.3070870.264dc9dc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:55:56 EDT Subject: Re: Track Days? To: CWeaver@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 In a message dated 5/12/00 2:41:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > Sept. 5 & 18. The one on the 5th is by Loudoun Motorsports and the one on > the 15th is by Cycle Sport. I don't know of any earlier in the year than > those, unfortunately. I'll be going to at least one of them myself. CycleSport has one coming up June 12 as well. http://www.bsr-inc.com/bsr/summit/SCHEDSP.HTM There's also a couple others put on by clubs in July, but I don't know what their deals are (reduc and team proMotion). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 18:22:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CMMYk04575 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2ivelcp.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.85.153]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13105 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004701bfbc5d$c299c120$9955f7a5@winnie> Reply-To: "Ryn" From: "Ryn" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: <027001bfbc3e$dd0f39a0$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> Subject: Alarm Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:02:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hello folks, I just bought a 2000 YZF 600R and would like to install an alarm on it. I talked to a guy from Coleman to see what alarms they stock and he mentioned a full alarm called a chatter box. I also contacted Cycle Sport Springfield and am waiting to hear back from them. I would like to get any input on the issue from you guys, as an alarm will lower insurance and also provide me with some sense of safety. At least if someone tries to nab the bike the alarm will go off. I am ultra paranoid, and at present use 2 disk locks, lock the steering column use a tied cover and wedge it next to the curb so it won't turn at all. I am worried about someone picking it up and throwing it in a pickup and an alarm can at least warn me when I am here giving me the chance to run out with my shotgun to ward off intruders :) Thanks for any feedback or info. Ryan From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 19:20:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CNKfk05566 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.7e.4d17b0f (7066) for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:20:15 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7e.4d17b0f.264debae@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:20:14 EDT Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 And bring a lawyer. The points disappear in a few years, but the "Reckless" stays visible on your record for eleven (11, count 'em) years. I still have a few years to go before mine disappears (for going 20 yards down the right shoulder at 15mph to exit 495 to Dulles) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 19:45:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4CNjwk05962 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.e2.4558537 (4255) for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:45:50 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:45:49 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 101 In a message dated 05/12/2000 14:22:24 Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: << commitments from Bike Night 2 supporters. So far, we've got lined up: Crossroads Cycles, Java Shack, Patriot Harley-Davidson, and PowerRider Motorsports >> Is PowerRider Motorsports the new name for Coleman? If so, this would be an opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling them that they are not welcome at the event. I've neither seen nor heard anything to indicate that they've altered their sleazy business practices. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 23:21:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4D3Lsk09193 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 6.3a.50c8f99 (9243); Fri, 12 May 2000 23:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3a.50c8f99.264e242e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:21:18 EDT Subject: Dave Cross's Reckless Driving Ticket To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/12/00 9:24:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dave@XXXXXX writes: << Any suggestions you guys have would be appreciated. Dave Cross >> Dave, Bill Gawthrop here in Maryland. First, do not screw around with this issue. Reckless driving is a a no non-sense, F*** around with me and die, offense. Contact the National Motorists Association. Get help now. Get an NMA lawyer. Spend the money on the front end defending yourself and do not even think about playing jail house attorney defending yourself in the court room. You have a constitutional right to be stupid, but now is not the time to exercise it. If anyone suggests to you that you can go into the court room and try some frilly-dilly, "I am an American" and "This is America" defense, ignore them and get a damned attorney....now. You are about to get your ass handed to you on a platter. (Is there anyone out there who does not think this is sound advice? Speak up ...) Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 23:33:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4D3X5k09349 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 6.24.4edd21d (4591); Fri, 12 May 2000 23:32:35 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <24.4edd21d.264e26d2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:32:34 EDT Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/12/00 9:24:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dave@XXXXXX writes: << This mornings commute was great up until the point that I got a ticket for reckless driving on the Dulles Toll Road. Any suggestions on a point of attack for my mandatory court date in July? >> When you go to traffic court it's normally a sure thing for the police officer that he's going to get his conviction. You need to give the judge reasonable doubt that you were not reckless before he /she will drop that charge to just speeding. Maybe stating that you were keeping up with the traffic flow might help. Do not say you did not realise what your speed was, as that means you were not paying attention. Go there early and see what mood the judge is in that day. good mood play on the sympathy mode "never do it again yur honor" Tell him you are taking driver/rider safety educational courses (book a session so you have an appointment to show ). If he is in a bad mood say nothing and look humble hope for the best. Richard Mc From dc-cycles-request Fri May 12 23:54:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4D3snk09639 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (wbg-va8-20.ix.netcom.com [206.217.111.148]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00664; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391CFC7D.356297F2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:55:57 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FGrefe@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fred, Yes PowerRider Motorsports is the former Coleman Powersports. They are supporters of this event. You (and others) can decide for yourselves whether that makes you not want to attend. I know there are lots of horror stories out there about people's experiences at Coleman. FWIW, I'm not one of those people but don't doubt that others have had bad experiences. But you should also know that they were the first AND ONLY motorcycle shop (I consider Crossroads Cycle more of a motorcycle repair shop) that we talked on the phone to and personally visited that came through with the goods and supported the first Bike Night. And they have made a commitment to support this second event. We talked to other shops who said they would support the first Bike Night but then never followed through on their promise. Patriot Harley-Davidson is supporting Bike Night 2 after my going there and visiting with their management today. We just didn't have the time to ask them for the first Bike Night. Of course, we are hoping that more shops will want to participate (even the ones that promised us their participation the first time around but didn't -- for whatever reasons). But all we can do is ask. That said, I hope the fact that PowerRider Motorsports is a Bike Night 2 supporter does not deter you (and others) from coming to what will be a VERY FUN evening (especially based on the turnout for the first Bike Night). Respectfully, since you're not the guy who is trying to put this event together (for the benefit of the entire motorcycling community -- and neither Mark nor I are getting paid or making any money to do this; we're doing it just because we want to), I would personally appreciate if you not take it upon yourself to tell people stuff like: > this would be an > opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling them > that they are not welcome at the event. Like I said, I hope you'll still come to Bike Night 2. And despite the fact that PowerRider Motorsports might not be your favorite motorcycle dealership (for good and valid reasons), I think you'll enjoy the company of your fellow riders and have a good time. Regards, Chuck FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 05/12/2000 14:22:24 Eastern Daylight Time, > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > << commitments from Bike Night 2 supporters. So far, we've got lined up: > Crossroads Cycles, Java Shack, Patriot Harley-Davidson, and PowerRider > Motorsports >> > Is PowerRider Motorsports the new name for Coleman? If so, this would be an > opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling them > that they are not welcome at the event. I've neither seen nor heard anything > to indicate that they've altered their sleazy business practices. > > Fred Grefe > GTS1000 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 00:36:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4D4a3k10319 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.172.12.226] (helo=chibamonkey.newspeak.org) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qTea-0007BR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:35:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000513003037.00bcb800@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:34:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: RE: Reckless Driving Ticket In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629A6@QSI_TYSONS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed They won't necessarily yank your license just for a reckless, although if you have another one in the preceding 12 months it becomes more of a likelihood. It's not much in the way of support, but yes it sucks that it was you & not the Durango (don't SUV owners have lots of extra money for stuff like gas?), but speeding is speeding and 25 mph over the limit is reckless according to the law. If you are lucky you'll get the 79, pay a fine, and get -4 points on your license. According to a letter I got from Richmond last week, at -12 in one 12-month span VA can suspend your license, -16 in 18 months. If I get one more 10-to-19 over the speed limit, I'm in trouble too. --wes At 09:37 12-05-00, you wrote: >I meant direction. > >Also, be nice and presentable at court, don't rag on the officer. You are >almost sure to get it reduce to 79 which is just speeding. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 00:41:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4D4fok10360 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.172.12.226] (helo=chibamonkey.newspeak.org) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qTkK-0007ji-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:41:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000513003803.00c59c00@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:40:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yes, PowerRide is the name of the company that bought out Coleman. If you ask me (and you didn't, but I'll chime in anyway), the new ownership wouldn't give a rat's ass whether they are welcome or not. The floor managers might, but the owners wouldn't. The company is an investment, they couldn't care less what they actually sold. --w At 19:45 12-05-00, FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 05/12/2000 14:22:24 Eastern Daylight Time, >cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > ><< commitments from Bike Night 2 supporters. So far, we've got lined up: > Crossroads Cycles, Java Shack, Patriot Harley-Davidson, and PowerRider > Motorsports >> >Is PowerRider Motorsports the new name for Coleman? If so, this would be an >opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling them >that they are not welcome at the event. I've neither seen nor heard anything >to indicate that they've altered their sleazy business practices. > >Fred Grefe >GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 00:47:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4D4lqk10511 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.172.12.226] (helo=chibamonkey.newspeak.org) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qTqA-0000WA-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:47:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000513004133.00b64300@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:46:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: Bike theft: Ducati In-Reply-To: <391C4C01.A2932DA1@ix.netcom.com> References: <3f.4ac2817.264d6e0a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Jeff -- I'm sure we'll all be keeping an eye out for yellow 748s -- I've only seen two around Springfield but they're beautiful bikes -- complete eye-catchers and not hard to miss. I've been to that Carlos O'Kellys on my bike more than once. Good luck on the recovery -- or at least in dealing with the insurance company. Unfortunately I know from experience that they will low-ball you so bad it'll make you want to cry. They don't generally take accessories/upgrades/mods into account when paying on a bike. (My experience was a wreck, not a theft, so it might be different). I've noted with trepidation the recent number of listers having bikes stolen from them or friends. I've picked up my security, taking a disk lock & cable lock with me everywhere. I think it helps that I have an eminently un-attractive bike (at least to thieves) in my Bandit...it could be the big-ass Givi rack on the back or just that it's not a nice, fully-faired sportbike. Again, sorry and good luck. --wes From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 01:14:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4D5E4k10884 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kira (user-2ivelkj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.86.147]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA08605; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:13:59 -0400 (EDT) From: motopix@XXXXXX Message-ID: <001501bfbc99$2934af40$0145450a@kira> To: "Charles V. Pena" , Cc: , "Mark Kitchell" References: <391CFC7D.356297F2@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:07:36 -0400 Organization: MotoPix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Perhaps you should call Phillip-Morris for Bike Night 3. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: Cc: ; Mark Kitchell Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 2:55 AM Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 > Fred, > > Yes PowerRider Motorsports is the former Coleman Powersports. > > They are supporters of this event. You (and others) can decide for > yourselves whether that makes you not want to attend. I know there are > lots of horror stories out there about people's experiences at Coleman. > FWIW, I'm not one of those people but don't doubt that others have had > bad experiences. But you should also know that they were the first AND > ONLY motorcycle shop (I consider Crossroads Cycle more of a motorcycle > repair shop) that we talked on the phone to and personally visited that > came through with the goods and supported the first Bike Night. And > they have made a commitment to support this second event. We talked to > other shops who said they would support the first Bike Night but then > never followed through on their promise. > > Patriot Harley-Davidson is supporting Bike Night 2 after my going there > and visiting with their management today. We just didn't have the time > to ask them for the first Bike Night. > > Of course, we are hoping that more shops will want to participate (even > the ones that promised us their participation the first time around but > didn't -- for whatever reasons). But all we can do is ask. > > That said, I hope the fact that PowerRider Motorsports is a Bike Night 2 > supporter does not deter you (and others) from coming to what will be a > VERY FUN evening (especially based on the turnout for the first Bike > Night). > > Respectfully, since you're not the guy who is trying to put this event > together (for the benefit of the entire motorcycling community -- and > neither Mark nor I are getting paid or making any money to do this; > we're doing it just because we want to), I would personally appreciate > if you not take it upon yourself to tell people stuff like: > > > this would be an > > opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling them > > that they are not welcome at the event. > > Like I said, I hope you'll still come to Bike Night 2. And despite the > fact that PowerRider Motorsports might not be your favorite motorcycle > dealership (for good and valid reasons), I think you'll enjoy the > company of your fellow riders and have a good time. > > Regards, > Chuck > > FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > In a message dated 05/12/2000 14:22:24 Eastern Daylight Time, > > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > > << commitments from Bike Night 2 supporters. So far, we've got lined up: > > Crossroads Cycles, Java Shack, Patriot Harley-Davidson, and PowerRider > > Motorsports >> > > Is PowerRider Motorsports the new name for Coleman? If so, this would be an > > opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling them > > that they are not welcome at the event. I've neither seen nor heard anything > > to indicate that they've altered their sleazy business practices. > > > > Fred Grefe > > GTS1000 > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 06:44:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DAivk19220 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 06:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-219.s219.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.219] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qZPi-0001yl-00; Sat, 13 May 2000 06:44:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bfbcc7$8e503c40$dbee7ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: References: <391CFC7D.356297F2@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 06:39:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 surely if you agree that Coleman ,"I know there are lots of horror stories" "might not be your favorite for good and valid reasons", does not have a good track record then it surprises me that you chastise a lister for suggesting thier exclusion from your event.Is Bike night for bikers to chew fat,or is it an opportunity for your local dealer to promote some wares.I think the motorcycle community (that would be us Charles) should boycott any dealership that has a bad record untill that record has been straightened.Inviting them to jolly's with us seems inappropriate.If you need to tell listers 'like it or dont show' then perhaps you have been taught customer service by Colemans! Fred has a valid point,what do you say? Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: Cc: ; Mark Kitchell Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 2:55 AM Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 > Fred, > > Yes PowerRider Motorsports is the former Coleman Powersports. > > They are supporters of this event. You (and others) can decide for > yourselves whether that makes you not want to attend. I know there are > lots of horror stories out there about people's experiences at Coleman. > FWIW, I'm not one of those people but don't doubt that others have had > bad experiences. But you should also know that they were the first AND > ONLY motorcycle shop (I consider Crossroads Cycle more of a motorcycle > repair shop) that we talked on the phone to and personally visited that > came through with the goods and supported the first Bike Night. And > they have made a commitment to support this second event. We talked to > other shops who said they would support the first Bike Night but then > never followed through on their promise. > > Patriot Harley-Davidson is supporting Bike Night 2 after my going there > and visiting with their management today. We just didn't have the time > to ask them for the first Bike Night. > > Of course, we are hoping that more shops will want to participate (even > the ones that promised us their participation the first time around but > didn't -- for whatever reasons). But all we can do is ask. > > That said, I hope the fact that PowerRider Motorsports is a Bike Night 2 > supporter does not deter you (and others) from coming to what will be a > VERY FUN evening (especially based on the turnout for the first Bike > Night). > > Respectfully, since you're not the guy who is trying to put this event > together (for the benefit of the entire motorcycling community -- and > neither Mark nor I are getting paid or making any money to do this; > we're doing it just because we want to), I would personally appreciate > if you not take it upon yourself to tell people stuff like: > > > this would be an > > opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling them > > that they are not welcome at the event. > > Like I said, I hope you'll still come to Bike Night 2. And despite the > fact that PowerRider Motorsports might not be your favorite motorcycle > dealership (for good and valid reasons), I think you'll enjoy the > company of your fellow riders and have a good time. > > Regards, > Chuck > > FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > In a message dated 05/12/2000 14:22:24 Eastern Daylight Time, > > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > > << commitments from Bike Night 2 supporters. So far, we've got lined up: > > Crossroads Cycles, Java Shack, Patriot Harley-Davidson, and PowerRider > > Motorsports >> > > Is PowerRider Motorsports the new name for Coleman? If so, this would be an > > opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling them > > that they are not welcome at the event. I've neither seen nor heard anything > > to indicate that they've altered their sleazy business practices. > > > > Fred Grefe > > GTS1000 > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 09:13:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DDDCk21433 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 09:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-30.patriot.net [209.249.180.30]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08689; Sat, 13 May 2000 09:12:42 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <391D539E.9E8B89FA@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:07:42 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Cook CC: "Charles V. Pena" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 References: <391CFC7D.356297F2@ix.netcom.com> <001701bfbcc7$8e503c40$dbee7ad1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Correct me if I'm wrong - Bike Nite is organized and supported, a assume with $ or door prizes, by a few commercial establishments, one of which happens to be Coleman's, now under new management. Several listers suggest refusing to accept charity from Coleman's/PowerRider because of a long history of bad service from same. This seems counterproductive. Wouldn't it be more productive to have C/P show up and then *politely* inform them of past problems and what they need to do to win back respectability? And why toss freebies on the street? Or if some of you want to snub C/P, then get off your ass and find a replacement sponsor. Bill Simon Cook wrote: > surely if you agree that Coleman ,"I know there are lots of horror stories" > "might not be your favorite for good and valid reasons", does not have a > good track record then it surprises me that you chastise a lister for > suggesting thier exclusion from your event.Is Bike night for bikers to chew > fat,or is it an opportunity for your local dealer to promote some wares.I > think the motorcycle community (that would be us Charles) should boycott any > dealership that has a bad record untill that record has been > straightened.Inviting them to jolly's with us seems inappropriate.If you > need to tell listers 'like it or dont show' then perhaps you have been > taught customer service by Colemans! Fred has a valid point,what do you say? > Simon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles V. Pena > To: > Cc: ; Mark Kitchell > > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 2:55 AM > Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 > > > Fred, > > > > Yes PowerRider Motorsports is the former Coleman Powersports. > > > > They are supporters of this event. You (and others) can decide for > > yourselves whether that makes you not want to attend. I know there are > > lots of horror stories out there about people's experiences at Coleman. > > FWIW, I'm not one of those people but don't doubt that others have had > > bad experiences. But you should also know that they were the first AND > > ONLY motorcycle shop (I consider Crossroads Cycle more of a motorcycle > > repair shop) that we talked on the phone to and personally visited that > > came through with the goods and supported the first Bike Night. And > > they have made a commitment to support this second event. We talked to > > other shops who said they would support the first Bike Night but then > > never followed through on their promise. > > > > Patriot Harley-Davidson is supporting Bike Night 2 after my going there > > and visiting with their management today. We just didn't have the time > > to ask them for the first Bike Night. > > > > Of course, we are hoping that more shops will want to participate (even > > the ones that promised us their participation the first time around but > > didn't -- for whatever reasons). But all we can do is ask. > > > > That said, I hope the fact that PowerRider Motorsports is a Bike Night 2 > > supporter does not deter you (and others) from coming to what will be a > > VERY FUN evening (especially based on the turnout for the first Bike > > Night). > > > > Respectfully, since you're not the guy who is trying to put this event > > together (for the benefit of the entire motorcycling community -- and > > neither Mark nor I are getting paid or making any money to do this; > > we're doing it just because we want to), I would personally appreciate > > if you not take it upon yourself to tell people stuff like: > > > > > this would be an > > > opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling > them > > > that they are not welcome at the event. > > > > Like I said, I hope you'll still come to Bike Night 2. And despite the > > fact that PowerRider Motorsports might not be your favorite motorcycle > > dealership (for good and valid reasons), I think you'll enjoy the > > company of your fellow riders and have a good time. > > > > Regards, > > Chuck > > > > FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 05/12/2000 14:22:24 Eastern Daylight Time, > > > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > << commitments from Bike Night 2 supporters. So far, we've got lined > up: > > > Crossroads Cycles, Java Shack, Patriot Harley-Davidson, and PowerRider > > > Motorsports >> > > > Is PowerRider Motorsports the new name for Coleman? If so, this would > be an > > > opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling > them > > > that they are not welcome at the event. I've neither seen nor heard > anything > > > to indicate that they've altered their sleazy business practices. > > > > > > Fred Grefe > > > GTS1000 > > > > -- > > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 10:55:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DEtVk22945 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-238.s238.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.238] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qdKD-0001Il-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:55:29 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Did/Does Hugh Go Down? Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:49:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bfbcea$731cce20$ee83a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Haven't gotten mail in 20+ hrs Did the list go down or is it just me? --------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 11:19:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DFJRk23362 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-238.s238.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.238] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qdhN-0002sk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 13 May 2000 11:19:25 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bike Thefts Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:13:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bfbced$cadb3d60$ee83a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My condolances to the recent losses. Some time ago a news channel did a story on bike thefts. One of the things that disturbed me more than anything else was a demonstration of a broad daylight theft. Two guys roll up in a windowless van and push an un-attended Harley Davidson up the ramps and leave. This is all happening in a busy shopping mall parking lot, with people walking past and some of them glancing at what's going on. There were no calls placed to the police for suspicious activity. This does happen more often than you'd think. Tom G.s loss occurred in the wee hours, and that happens too and unfortunately you are more defenseless. If you see this type of activity, do not be shy. Walk over and ask who the owner is and ask to see proof. If you don't get it, call the police immediately with the vehicle license and description. I personally would LOVE to have someone do this for me, and if anyone came up to me and asked, I would thank them very much for caring. I know some of you think this might be overstepping, but it isn't. Educate your family and friends who don't ride about this too. That's all I have to say. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 150,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 12:48:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DGmUk24903 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwegerich (ip12.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.12]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA23037 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 09:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Frank Wegerich" To: Subject: Ride on Sunday? Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:51:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <391D539E.9E8B89FA@patriot.net> The weather report says: Sunday...mostly sunny...cooler and less humid. Highs in the lower 70s. sounds good to me ... anyone planning a ride on Sunday? (-; Frank BMW 1100RT From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 13:44:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DHiHk25832 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA21881 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.7e.4d523ea (3896) for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e.4d523ea.264ee90f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:21:19 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/12/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Hi all I rarely write but this theft think is epedemic, so ... a non lister buddy had his 1999 Intruder swiped in Reston last week, and the cop said something like 18 bikes? (memory failure) had been swiped in the past few days. I think that this was total FFX County, not sure, point being: ALOT of bikes are dissapearing, no shock to you all I am sure, but be overly cautious! Sorry about all of your bad breaks on this theft epedemic. Any tips on where to go and who to say hi to at Summit Point Sunday please email direct, I am not really involved with the list, only a few group rides last year, but I like meeting nice folks etc.Thanks - Jim zx11 jimjacks@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 14:37:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DIbZk26646 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 14:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-48.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.48]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06698 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 14:37:25 -0400 Message-ID: <018401bfbd09$f89a99a0$85a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: RE: Bike theft: Ducati Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:35:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0181_01BFBCE8.708EBB20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01BFBCE8.708EBB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff lamented -- Well, They've struck again. Last night my beautifully restored to pristine 748 was stolen=20 ...snip Yellow with a yellow/white mono tail. The bike has c/f (new) exhaust and gold magnesium wheels, Corbin seat, Olin's rear shock and Zero gravity dark tinted wind screen. [California plates, VIN ...3578 rt steering neck] --------- Awful. In the shadow of the capital of the free world. Will keep an = eye out. With increasing trepidation my own bike gets parked in seemingly safe = places at night. Having seen growing accounts of this social cancer = here are items I've noted for possible inoculation. Probable next step = -- using my 12' New York Chain in the metro area. =20 Is this ego-think for my sedate mid-cruiser? Maybe. But should an = insurance event occur, I think of the hassle and several safety and = comfort reoutfitting tasks which are not my pleasures these days. At = any rate: =20 o As of a few months ago Lojack was not yet available for motorcycles. = http://www.lojack.com=20 o Perhaps mentioned before on DCCY -- a stolen bike list. = http://www.worldbikes.com/stolenmc.htm=20 o Bikeline insurance has offered theft deductible waiver for 5 years, = $75 install help, and equipment discounts, for use of Armed Guard = equipment (several configuration options, and check insurance details). = (I take this as a starting endorsement for that gear.) = http://www.armedguard.com , Bikeline is 1 800 236 BIKE. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Mr. Clinton, How about eradicating vehicle theft? What a = legacy! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01BFBCE8.708EBB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff lamented --
 
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  They've struck again.  Last = night my=20 beautifully
restored to pristine 748 was stolen
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Yellow
with a yellow/white mono tail.  The = bike has=20 c/f (new)
exhaust and gold magnesium wheels, Corbin seat, = Olin's
rear=20 shock and Zero gravity dark tinted wind screen.
[California plates, = VIN=20 ...3578 rt steering neck]
 
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Awful.  In the shadow of the capital of the = free=20 world.  Will keep an eye out.
 
With increasing trepidation my own bike gets parked = in=20 seemingly safe places at night.  Having seen growing accounts of = this=20 social cancer here are items I've noted for possible inoculation.  = Probable=20 next step -- using my 12' New York Chain in the metro area.  =
 
Is this ego-think for my sedate = mid-cruiser? =20 Maybe.  But should an insurance event occur, I think of the hassle = and=20 several safety and comfort reoutfitting tasks which are not my = pleasures these days.  At any rate: 
 
o  As of a few months ago Lojack was not yet = available=20 for motorcycles.  http://www.lojack.com 
 
o  Perhaps mentioned before on DCCY -- a stolen = bike=20 list. http://www.worldbikes.com= /stolenmc.htm 
 
o  Bikeline insurance has offered theft = deductible waiver=20 for 5 years, $75 install help, and equipment discounts, for use of Armed = Guard=20 equipment (several configuration options, and check insurance = details).  (I=20 take this as a starting endorsement for that gear.)  http://www.armedguard.com , = Bikeline is 1=20 800 236 BIKE. 
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Mr. = Clinton, How=20 about eradicating vehicle theft?  What a legacy!
Join the = AMA. =20 Help protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0181_01BFBCE8.708EBB20-- From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 14:49:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DInik26802 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 14:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwegerich (ip12.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.12]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA09550; Sat, 13 May 2000 11:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Frank Wegerich" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "'Dave Cross'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Reckless Driving Ticket Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:52:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629A4@QSI_TYSONS> Friend of mine got caught speeding with her car. She got her speedo calibrated. The cabibration report said that it was going "ahead" (!). She went back to court and she got the lower sentence. Not sure how she did this but she got out of the Reckless Driving Ticket. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 09:25 To: 'Dave Cross'; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Reckless Driving Ticket Get your speedo calibrated. Maybe with new tires or general bike manufactuer error, its off (but maybe in the other diction too). > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Cross [SMTP:dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 9:20 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Reckless Driving Ticket > > This mornings commute was great up until the point that I got a ticket for > reckless driving on the Dulles Toll Road. Any suggestions on a point of > attack for my mandatory court date in July? > > Here are the details: > > Ticket says: > Reckless Driving To Wit, Speeding 80/55 zone (Paced) > > The officer told me that he had written me up at 79 since he paced me at > speeds ranging from 79-82. I was pretty sure that I was not going 80. 75 > probably, but I really dont think I was going 80. I was keeping pace with > a > Dodge Durango in the next lane and 4-5 car lengths ahead of me that was > going perhaps 1 or 2 mph faster than I was. > > Traffic on the Toll Road cruises at around 70mph on average with some > going > 75 and others going 65. When I was being pulled over I thought he was > mistakenly pulling me over for and HOV violation (perhaps not knowing that > motorcycles are permitted on HOV lanes) because I was not concious that I > was speeding. > > My startegy: > Plead for leaniencey using the arguement that I did not violate the spirit > of the law. At most I was going only 10mph more than some of the slower > traffic on the toll road. At best I was going slower than at least one > other vehicle. I was certainly not going 20mph more than anyone else. I > will agree that I was guilty of speeding, and as for Reckless driving I > did > violate the letter of the law, but certainly not the spirit of the law. > > Any suggestions you guys have would be appreciated. > > Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 17:04:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DL4jk28882 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 17:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-231-224.s478.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.231.224] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qj5V-0001Fm-00; Sat, 13 May 2000 17:04:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002301bfbd1e$2368c300$e0e7a4d8@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: References: <391CFC7D.356297F2@ix.netcom.com> <001701bfbcc7$8e503c40$dbee7ad1@oemcomputer> <391D539E.9E8B89FA@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:59:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 fair enough Bill,dump Coleman and I'll bring two bottles of S100,was that your point? Or is it that I should love Coleman because they help organise a night out by giving two bottles of bike shampoo?Oh and as you brought up the dollar,how much does Bike Night cost?How much does Coleman put up? Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Simon Cook Cc: Charles V. Pena ; Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 > Correct me if I'm wrong - Bike Nite is organized and supported, a assume with $ > or door prizes, by a few commercial establishments, one of which happens to be > Coleman's, now under new management. Several listers suggest refusing to accept > charity from Coleman's/PowerRider because of a long history of bad service from > same. This seems counterproductive. > Wouldn't it be more productive to have C/P show up and then *politely* inform > them of past problems and what they need to do to win back respectability? And > why toss freebies on the street? Or if some of you want to snub C/P, then get > off your ass and find a replacement sponsor. > > Bill > > Simon Cook wrote: > > > surely if you agree that Coleman ,"I know there are lots of horror stories" > > "might not be your favorite for good and valid reasons", does not have a > > good track record then it surprises me that you chastise a lister for > > suggesting thier exclusion from your event.Is Bike night for bikers to chew > > fat,or is it an opportunity for your local dealer to promote some wares.I > > think the motorcycle community (that would be us Charles) should boycott any > > dealership that has a bad record untill that record has been > > straightened.Inviting them to jolly's with us seems inappropriate.If you > > need to tell listers 'like it or dont show' then perhaps you have been > > taught customer service by Colemans! Fred has a valid point,what do you say? > > Simon > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charles V. Pena > > To: > > Cc: ; Mark Kitchell > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 2:55 AM > > Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 > > > > > Fred, > > > > > > Yes PowerRider Motorsports is the former Coleman Powersports. > > > > > > They are supporters of this event. You (and others) can decide for > > > yourselves whether that makes you not want to attend. I know there are > > > lots of horror stories out there about people's experiences at Coleman. > > > FWIW, I'm not one of those people but don't doubt that others have had > > > bad experiences. But you should also know that they were the first AND > > > ONLY motorcycle shop (I consider Crossroads Cycle more of a motorcycle > > > repair shop) that we talked on the phone to and personally visited that > > > came through with the goods and supported the first Bike Night. And > > > they have made a commitment to support this second event. We talked to > > > other shops who said they would support the first Bike Night but then > > > never followed through on their promise. > > > > > > Patriot Harley-Davidson is supporting Bike Night 2 after my going there > > > and visiting with their management today. We just didn't have the time > > > to ask them for the first Bike Night. > > > > > > Of course, we are hoping that more shops will want to participate (even > > > the ones that promised us their participation the first time around but > > > didn't -- for whatever reasons). But all we can do is ask. > > > > > > That said, I hope the fact that PowerRider Motorsports is a Bike Night 2 > > > supporter does not deter you (and others) from coming to what will be a > > > VERY FUN evening (especially based on the turnout for the first Bike > > > Night). > > > > > > Respectfully, since you're not the guy who is trying to put this event > > > together (for the benefit of the entire motorcycling community -- and > > > neither Mark nor I are getting paid or making any money to do this; > > > we're doing it just because we want to), I would personally appreciate > > > if you not take it upon yourself to tell people stuff like: > > > > > > > this would be an > > > > opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling > > them > > > > that they are not welcome at the event. > > > > > > Like I said, I hope you'll still come to Bike Night 2. And despite the > > > fact that PowerRider Motorsports might not be your favorite motorcycle > > > dealership (for good and valid reasons), I think you'll enjoy the > > > company of your fellow riders and have a good time. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chuck > > > > > > FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 05/12/2000 14:22:24 Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > << commitments from Bike Night 2 supporters. So far, we've got lined > > up: > > > > Crossroads Cycles, Java Shack, Patriot Harley-Davidson, and PowerRider > > > > Motorsports >> > > > > Is PowerRider Motorsports the new name for Coleman? If so, this would > > be an > > > > opportune time to send a strong message to the new ownership by telling > > them > > > > that they are not welcome at the event. I've neither seen nor heard > > anything > > > > to indicate that they've altered their sleazy business practices. > > > > > > > > Fred Grefe > > > > GTS1000 > > > > > > -- > > > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > > > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 18:10:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DMAUk29859 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-42.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.106]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19347; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391DFD45.C93BC434@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:11:33 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: motopix@XXXXXX CC: FGrefe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 References: <391CFC7D.356297F2@ix.netcom.com> <001501bfbc99$2934af40$0145450a@kira> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe I'm dense. I don't get it. Because they make cigarettes? So what? Because they own Miller and sell alcoholic beverage? Because they make Kraft cheese (which I agree is cheesey!)? Your point is??? If it makes you feel any better, I deal with Phillip-Morris (through Miller Brewing) on a professional basis. So maybe I will ask my friends at Phillip-Morris for Bike Night 3. motopix@XXXXXX wrote: > > Perhaps you should call Phillip-Morris for Bike Night 3. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 18:20:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DMKGk00182 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-42.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.106]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07924; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391DFF78.F8379B61@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:20:56 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Cook CC: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 References: <391CFC7D.356297F2@ix.netcom.com> <001701bfbcc7$8e503c40$dbee7ad1@oemcomputer> <391D539E.9E8B89FA@patriot.net> <002301bfbd1e$2368c300$e0e7a4d8@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone... Bike Night is an event that Mark Kitchell and I have personally put together. We did it because we wanted to create a social gathering event for motorcyclists. We don't make any money off it. The only entity that makes any money is CarPool and Rocklands with whatever food and drink people buy. Nobody is putting any money up to make the event possible. We solicit various motorcycle shops and other businesses, asking them to donate door prizes. Whether they do or don't, we also ask them to please post our flyers in their store(s) and to help us promote the event. EVERYONE is welcome ... regardless of what they ride or where they work or anything else for that matter. I will say this one more time: We asked a lot of different motorcycle shops to support the event. The first time around, Coleman (i.e., PowerRider) was the only shop that gave us door prizes. We let people know where the door prizes come from. That's it. We're not telling people to go shop there. And we're not asking anybody to change their opinions about Coleman/PowerSport (or any other motorcycle shop). FWIW, a lot of people on this list (myself included) have had lots of good things to say about Cycle Sport as a shop. We asked them to support the first Bike Night. They agreed. We shook hands about it (and in my book, that's good enough for me). Come Bike Night, they were nowhere to be seen (and they promised they would be there and bring stuff). But they'll be asked again for Bike Night 2 and given the opportunity to support the event. Personally, I'd like to see every motorcycle shop supporting the event. Finally, it's not like we're doing any big advertsing for Coleman (or anyone else) and imploring everyone who comes to Bike Night to take their business there. But we are acknowledging and thanking ALL OUR SUPPORTERS. Chuck Simon Cook wrote: > > fair enough Bill,dump Coleman and I'll bring two bottles of S100,was that > your point? Or is it that I should love Coleman because they help organise a > night out by giving two bottles of bike shampoo?Oh and as you brought up the > dollar,how much does Bike Night cost?How much does Coleman put up? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 18:20:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DMKsk00201 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-42.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.106]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25853; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391DFFB9.D53321B7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:22:01 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Cook CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 References: <391CFC7D.356297F2@ix.netcom.com> <001701bfbcc7$8e503c40$dbee7ad1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So because you and Fred and other folks don't like Coleman/PowerRider, maybe Mark and I shouldn't even bother putting together Bike Night??? I "chastised" a lister by (respectfully) asking him that since he wasn't the person taking of his own personal time and effort to put together bike night, that I would appreciate it if he didn't tell me (and everyone else) who or who not to exclude from the event. The fact is, EVERYONE is invited to Bike Night -- regardless of what you ride (and even it you don't) and what motorcycle shop you personally support or for any other reason. And gee, Coleman/PowerRider was the ONLY motorcycle dealership that agreed to donate a few measly door prizes when we asked. And if you were at the first Bike Night (maybe you were, I honestly don't know -- I hope you were and had a good time), there were no big ads or endorsement of Coleman/PowerRider -- just a simple "thank you" for donating the door prizes. If folks want to boycott Coleman/PowerRider, that's there perogative. Whether they do or don't is no skin off my nose. I respect their opinion/decision. And if they don't want to come to an event because Coleman/PowerRider is "loosely associated" with it, that's fine too. I'm not disinviting anybody. And what do I say? If YOU or FRED or ANYONE ELSE wants to organize a bike night and go ask your favorite motorcycle shops for their support and make up an invitation/exclusion list, please go ahead. We need as many motorcycle events in the area as possible. Chuck Simon Cook wrote: > > surely if you agree that Coleman ,"I know there are lots of horror stories" > "might not be your favorite for good and valid reasons", does not have a > good track record then it surprises me that you chastise a lister for > suggesting thier exclusion from your event.Is Bike night for bikers to chew > fat,or is it an opportunity for your local dealer to promote some wares.I > think the motorcycle community (that would be us Charles) should boycott any > dealership that has a bad record untill that record has been > straightened.Inviting them to jolly's with us seems inappropriate.If you > need to tell listers 'like it or dont show' then perhaps you have been > taught customer service by Colemans! Fred has a valid point,what do you say? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 18:42:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DMgbk00534 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-61.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.125]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08330; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391E04D3.1DB51B15@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:43:47 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it makes all the critics out there any happier (BTW, it's easy to sit on the sidelines and take cheap shots): 1. I have no idea if anyone from PowerRider/Coleman actually came to the first Bike Night (if they did, they didn't announce/introduce themselves). And I have no idea if they'll come to the second one. I just know that they're donating door prizes and they (and every other supporter, like Patriot Harley-Davidson) will be appropriately acknowledged. 2. No one is taking names and addresses so you're not being put on PowerRider's or anyone else's mailing list. 3. There is no advertising (i.e., signage) at the event for any of the Bike Night supporters. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 18:46:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DMkik00611 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kira (user-2ivekf2.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.81.226]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26748; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:46:35 -0400 (EDT) From: motopix@XXXXXX Message-ID: <002001bfbd2c$060d2a40$0145450a@kira> To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: , , "Mark Kitchell" References: <391CFC7D.356297F2@ix.netcom.com> <001501bfbc99$2934af40$0145450a@kira> <391DFD45.C93BC434@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:38:50 -0400 Organization: MotoPix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm not surprised you don't get the signifigance of the P-M reference; afterall you don't see the problem with Coleman's supporting Bike Night. Gotta go, storms are rolling in... ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: Cc: ; ; Mark Kitchell Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 > Maybe I'm dense. I don't get it. Because they make cigarettes? So > what? Because they own Miller and sell alcoholic beverage? Because > they make Kraft cheese (which I agree is cheesey!)? Your point is??? > > If it makes you feel any better, I deal with Phillip-Morris (through > Miller Brewing) on a professional basis. So maybe I will ask my friends > at Phillip-Morris for Bike Night 3. > > motopix@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Perhaps you should call Phillip-Morris for Bike Night 3. > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 19:22:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4DNMsk01141 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-246-39.s547.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.246.39] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qlEm-0005lO-00; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:22:25 -0400 Message-ID: <004101bfbd31$60aa8ba0$27f67ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: References: <391CFC7D.356297F2@ix.netcom.com> <001701bfbcc7$8e503c40$dbee7ad1@oemcomputer> <391D539E.9E8B89FA@patriot.net> <002301bfbd1e$2368c300$e0e7a4d8@oemcomputer> <391DFF78.F8379B61@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:17:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Chuck,I replied to your listing because you jumped all over someone when they suggested an exclusion for your gathering.I havent read any derogatory remarks about bike night,yourself or Mark.I thought bike night was great and your venue and organizing just perfect.If,for all practical purposes,no one can comment about the bike night organising without being beaten to death then so be it.I think the point was missed entirely about Colemans. Simon From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 21:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4E13jk02647 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16213; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:02:33 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: DC Cycles , Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 Message-ID: <20000513210233.A16180@kleks.org> References: <391E04D3.1DB51B15@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <391E04D3.1DB51B15@ix.netcom.com> * Charles V. Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX) [000513 19:01]: > > 1. Holly shit ! Everyone, please: Tomorrow is a nice day for riding. Go riding. Give keyboard a rest. Cool off. Relax. Chuck, bike night is a great thing. You and Mark are doing it - great. Everyone else, vote with your legs - you like it, BE THERE. You do not like it - go riding. Everyone will be happy. Stop beating this dead horse, it won't outrace your Honsuyamkawaharley, no matter how long you will be lashing it. Go riding (if you still have a bike). > > Chuck > _zjt (still waiting for my bike, 2 more weeks to go...) -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 21:14:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4E1Eik02794 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([24.15.187.164]) by flashmail.com ; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:14:35 -0700 Message-ID: <391D9CFB.517C2FC3@flashmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:20:43 -0400 From: Horkster X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Thefts References: <000801bfbced$cadb3d60$ee83a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > Two guys roll up in a windowless van and push an > un-attended Harley Davidson up the ramps and leave. This is all happening > in a busy shopping mall parking lot, with people walking past and some of > them glancing at what's going on. There were no calls placed to the police > for suspicious activity. That's because it's not "suspicious". I've loaded more than a few of (my own, thank you) broken down bikes into vans in the past in order to get them home. Surprisingly, it's a pain getting them to fit sometimes, with mirrors, windshields, etc. in the way. I guess sportbikes and the non-dresser Harleys tend to not be so large, and fit inside easier. Now someone out there with an air grinder, chewing away at a bike's cable or a disk lock, making lots of noise, might attract some attention. > If you see this type of activity, do not be shy. Walk over and ask who the > owner is and ask to see proof. If you don't get it, call the police > immediately with the vehicle license and description. This might be kind of risky, being this direct about things. You might be in danger of getting whacked if you get too nosy. I'd suggest wandering over, and "offering to help" meanwhile taking the opportunity to memorize license plates (bike and van) and physical descriptions of the folks involved. Also, if you see stuff like bolt cutters, oxy/acetylene torches, or if the folks seem especially jumpy, in a huge hurry to get out of there (like not even tying down the bike) - then I'd get on the phone to police as soon as possible. Horkster From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 22:04:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4E24jk03543 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20879 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28064 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 13 May 2000 22:04:41 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: RE: COOL riding gear for summer Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:05:09 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01bfbd48$d5123b20$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20000510112453.00d182e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal The coolest riding gear with a high degree of protection I've seen is the Ultra II suit from Motoport ( www.motoport.com ). Some other interesting approaches: http://www2.dmci.net/users/watkinsrd/KoolJacket.htm http://www.pumpsys.com/prod01.htm http://www.aspensystems.com/compress.html http://www.dciem.dnd.ca/DCIEM/Fact-Sheets/General/G-14.html http://www.stageoneproductions.com/pccsintro.html http://www.ilcdover.com/Products/Cooling/Cooling.htm http://www.wrightsafety.com/showcase/thermalwear/ http://www.coolsport.net/index2.html From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 22:43:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4E2hnk04127 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts005d01.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.236.205] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:43:41 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Service manuals - Honda (and some cages) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:42:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bfbd4e$173c9bd0$cdec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 http://www.helminc.com This site was receintally pointed out to me in my search for a cheaper Factory service manual.. They have manuals for all Honda cars and motorcycles (actually, the only MC related stuff was for Honda) - just incase someone wanted to pick up a manual for whatever bike. The prices seem to be about $8~10 cheaper than what I could get locally ($6 cheaper after shipping)... considering the convience of having it shipped to my door, AND the cheaper price, I'm all over the deal.... Hope someone enjoys this info - and if there's anything like this for the other makers (I'm pretty much Honda only, but always value other info) - feel free to pass it on. :) Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 23:15:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4E3FGk04655 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts005d01.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.236.205] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:15:05 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Bike Night 2 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 20:14:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bfbd52$7a85a4d0$cdec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Jesus.. what a list full of whiny babies. Would you like some CHEESE to go with that whine? So a shop, who cares what their name is, decides to support something motorcycle related... and half the list starts crying up a storm. From what I've read and can tell, the shop doesn't really gain anything but some advertising in the perfect market at the perfect time. As I recall, the dislike for Coleman was in their prices and selling ethics for motorcycles. In this situation, the products are FREE - and, well.. they're not going to sell you a new motorcycle anyway (because we all know there are better deals elsewhere). Why are you getting your panties in a twist over them showing support for a gathering in the motorcycle community? It's this attitude that YOU are demonstrating in hating Coleman that basically devices motorcyclists so much that we're not regarded as a coherent force. Granted, the hate is usually reserved for brand-bashing, but this is definatally a small stem of it aswell. Grow up, find a little maturity and stop bitching about something you don't have any say in anyway. If you don't like the fact that they're tasking their name onto something you want to do.. DON'T SUPPORT THE GATHERING. Plain and simple.. not to mention all the rest of the people that do go will have a better time without you attempting to drag them down into your hatefull mire. Brian McCoy - Sick enough of the ignorance that seems to permiate the motorcycle community - and yet stuck right in the middle of loving everything about motorcycling. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 23:26:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4E3QEk04745 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 13 May 2000 23:26:11 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Bike Night 2 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: <003401bfbd54$3824c6a0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <391E04D3.1DB51B15@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal My opinion? If you don't like Coleman / PowerRider, don't shop there. But if they're GIVING something away, why bitch about it? And, I think we should all give the new owners a bit more time to see what happens at the shop. It's pretty hard to change any business in an instant. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > If it makes all the critics out there any happier (BTW, it's easy to sit > on the sidelines and take cheap shots): > > 1. I have no idea if anyone from PowerRider/Coleman actually came to > the first Bike Night (if they did, they didn't announce/introduce > themselves). And I have no idea if they'll come to the second one. I > just know that they're donating door prizes and they (and every other > supporter, like Patriot Harley-Davidson) will be appropriately > acknowledged. > > 2. No one is taking names and addresses so you're not being put on > PowerRider's or anyone else's mailing list. > > 3. There is no advertising (i.e., signage) at the event for any of the > Bike Night supporters. > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 23:26:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4E3QIk04755 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 13 May 2000 23:26:10 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Cool riding gear for summer Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: <003301bfbd54$37da0200$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <391D9CFB.517C2FC3@flashmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal The coolest riding gear with a high degree of protection I've seen is the Ultra II suit from Motoport ( www.motoport.com ). Some other interesting approaches: http://www2.dmci.net/users/watkinsrd/KoolJacket.htm http://www.pumpsys.com/prod01.htm http://www.aspensystems.com/compress.html http://www.dciem.dnd.ca/DCIEM/Fact-Sheets/General/G-14.html http://www.stageoneproductions.com/pccsintro.html http://www.ilcdover.com/Products/Cooling/Cooling.htm http://www.wrightsafety.com/showcase/thermalwear/ http://www.coolsport.net/index2.html From dc-cycles-request Sat May 13 23:41:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4E3fLk04996 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.111]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27974 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391E4AD7.15256262@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:42:31 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 References: <000401bfbd52$7a85a4d0$cdec9bcf@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian and Bob, Thanx! We're not telling/forcing anybody to go shop at any of the motorcycle dealerships that choose to support any of the Bike Nights (and all we can do is ask for their support, we can't make any of them do it -- What are we gonna do? Threaten to not do Bike Night if they don't donate door prizes???) And no one is giving any money to any of the supporting shops by attending. Hopefully, everyone is just having a good time in the company of your fellow motorcyclists. Chuck Brian McCoy wrote : > > Jesus.. what a list full of whiny babies. Would you like some CHEESE to go > with that whine? Bob Meyer wrote : > > My opinion? If you don't like Coleman / PowerRider, don't shop there. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 07:06:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4EB6Nk12670 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id a.31.50e3b0e (4357); Sun, 14 May 2000 07:06:12 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <31.50e3b0e.264fe2a3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:06:11 EDT Subject: hit deer-fell down/ ins follow-up To: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 On Thursday I sent the info on prices for my damaged riding pants, jacket and face sheild to my agent. Check arrived on Saturday. Wow!! On Friday I met with adjuster regarding damage to bike. Estimate will be done on Monday and faxed to him. He says a check will be drawn as soon as he gets it. Wow!!! They covered the riding gear under a provion in the policy governing "personel effects" and by some creative accounting using my home owners policy. That is probably one advantage of having all my insurance with one company--cars, bike, and home owners. Only one issue remains and it is a large one. I contend that the riding gear should be covered , not under personel effects, but as part of repair of the bike , because the jacket and pants are part of the safety gear. For example, if I had hit the critter in my cage and the airbag had fired off, it would be replaced , as would the seat belts if I had hit a tree, etc. Please understand, the folks at my insurance have been a pleasur to work with-- concerned, helpful, and willing to do everything they could to make certain that I am "made whole". But they are constricted by the company guidelines which says that stuff pernamently attached to the bike gets fixed under the part of the policy covering the vehicle. I contend that since the portion of the policy covering personal effects has $350 limit it would not be nearly enough to cover jacket , pants, and helmet if it had been damaged. This guideline and/or policy needs to be changed so that motor cycles are treated like cars with regard to repair of safety equipment. I spoke with Sean Maher, government relations guy at AMA and he indicated a willingness to look at the possibility of trying to do something nationally regarding a change . If you are an AMA member, and are interested, contact him by phone or online at smaher@XXXXXX. I can now highly endorse Erie Insurance and the local folks in the Hagerstown, Md. claim office and the adjuster from the Leesburg, Va. area. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 07:46:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4EBk1k13270 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-246-17.s525.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.246.17] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qwqN-00055Q-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:46:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfbd99$40f35cc0$11f67ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: Riding? Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:40:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I joined this list a couple of months ago for the simple reason of finding riding buddies.So far I've not been succesful but have managed to get involved in some stupid forum on Coleman PS.Lifes too short,and after reading some words from Chuck I agree there is no harm done.I feel there is an attitude of dominance from some regulars that is tantamount to censorship.As I dont either like Coleman PS or this bully behavior then I will accept the proposal to not show at these gatherings.Unsubscribing Simon. PS do you EVER go riding From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 07:51:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4EBp8k13357 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:43:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'DC Cycles '" Subject: RE: Bike Night 2 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:43:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think it's important to remember that the Bike Nights are about having fun and hanging out with other motorcyclists. They're NOT about the door prizes or the sponsors who donate them. Having the door prizes is just a good idea to get more people to show up. I'm willing to wager that I have had worse dealings with Coleman than most people on this list. The fact that they're donating door prizes to the Bike Night doesn't bother me in the least. If anything, with having all of the annoyed former customers around, potential or current customers may get the warnings they need when the subject comes up. Lets please be careful about beating up Mark or Chuck about this. I've spoken to both of them about the Bike Nights a lot, and their only motivation in this is to do something fun for the motorcycling community. That's IT. They're putting a lot of time and effort into this for our benefit, and they don't deserve to get any hassles from us. All of the fun everyone had at the first Bike Night is attributable directly to Chuck and Mark. I hope Bike Night 2 will be as good. (I'll be there, so how bad could it be? ;^)) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 08:00:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4EC0lk13535 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id n.a7.3d0aa7a (9726); Sun, 14 May 2000 08:00:35 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:00:34 EDT Subject: Re: Riding? To: simoncook@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 5/14/00 07:49:41 Eastern Daylight Time, simoncook@XXXXXX writes: > PS do you EVER go riding We did a lot last year, but this year has been dead :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 08:22:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ECMZk13838 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qxPl-0005Ly-00; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:22:33 -0400 Message-ID: <009301bfbd9d$f6f94670$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: Subject: Re: Riding? Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:14:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I ride everyday, rain or shine, as long as my bike is running. In fact yesterday, I rode so much my ass is sore. 450 miles or so in one day, fully 350 of those with a pillion. However, I do have to say that I'm pleased to only be as sore as I am... F4 is a damn comfortable sport bike... Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Riding? > In a message dated 5/14/00 07:49:41 Eastern Daylight Time, > simoncook@XXXXXX writes: > > > PS do you EVER go riding > > We did a lot last year, but this year has been dead :-( > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 08:25:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ECPFk13851 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qxSM-0005ZL-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:25:14 -0400 Message-ID: <009f01bfbd9e$56f01400$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: GOOD thing about coleman... Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:17:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 If anyone needs a helmet for a girlfriend or child, or even the women that ride, Coleman has a shitload of last years floor models on sale for 1/2 off. Got my girl a brand new, "Anthractite" color Shoei RF-800 for $140. It seems most of the helmets are they extreme sizes, XS or XXL stuff like that. Kirt From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 08:26:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ECQJk13861 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.64.2afbfd1 (4557) for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:26:07 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <64.2afbfd1.264ff55e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:26:06 EDT Subject: Re: Riding? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/14/00 8:02:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MJordan666@XXXXXX writes: > PS do you EVER go riding > > We did a lot last year, but this year has been dead :-( > Perhaps because nobody's stepped up to fill Anita or Collin's shoes?! If I didn't work a weird shift (Sat-Wed nights), I'd be happy to lead a group ride on occassion. That is, if ya don't mind a slow pace. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 08:29:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ECTrk13943 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-120.patriot.net [209.249.180.120]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA10180; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:29:44 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <391E9B0A.BC47A3AF@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:24:42 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hit deer-fell down/ ins follow-up References: <31.50e3b0e.264fe2a3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Insurance stuff is wierd... Glad you got your agent knew the *tricks* to get your gear replaced. Yes, m/c insurance has loopholes out the whazoo. Some- or maybe most - companys don't cover any bolt on accessories. As for gear - I trhink they should cover it to encourage wearing riding gear. And maybe offer a 10% discount to riders who do dress for the mess. Back when airbags were an option one could get a 10% discoiunt for having them, and the sam for anti-lock brakes until the insurance crash stats showed anit-locks didn't quite work that well. Crazy insurnace angles: I use to race smapp outboards - like 3/4 boats per trailer. As long as said trailer was attached to my ve-hi-cle (southern pronunciation) everyhting in and on the trailer was covered by my ve-hi-cle insurance, so drawled my agent. BUT... off the car - nada. My homeowners - same ins co - would cover 1K for sports equipment = roughly 5% of the value. What is it like catchs fire? I ask. Well, boy iffin it catchs faar, run out thar and hitch in on up to the ve-hi-cle right quick. 100% covered under my ve-hi-cle comprehensive. Although I've never had to collect from my insurance co, my scoot has full replacement value (not depreciated) for theft etc. Course, they may be a downer as Harleys don't depreciate that much. The book on mine is more than it sold for new. BUT... State Farm doesn't offer multi-bike discount, AND... no perks for MSF course. Buttheads. Bill McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > On Thursday I sent the info on prices for my damaged riding pants, jacket and > face sheild to my agent. Check arrived on Saturday. Wow!! > On Friday I met with adjuster regarding damage to bike. Estimate will be done > on Monday and faxed to him. He says a check will be drawn as soon as he gets > it. Wow!!! > > They covered the riding gear under a provion in the policy governing > "personel effects" and by some creative accounting using my home owners > policy. That is probably one advantage of having all my insurance with one > company--cars, bike, and home owners. > > Only one issue remains and it is a large one. I contend that the riding gear > should be covered , not under personel effects, but as part of repair of the > bike , because the jacket and pants are part of the safety gear. For example, > if I had hit the critter in my cage and the airbag had fired off, it would be > replaced , as would the seat belts if I had hit a tree, etc. Please > understand, the folks at my insurance have been a pleasur to work with-- > concerned, helpful, and willing to do everything they could to make certain > that I am "made whole". > > But they are constricted by the company guidelines which says that stuff > pernamently attached to the bike gets fixed under the part of the policy > covering the vehicle. > > I contend that since the portion of the policy covering personal effects has > $350 limit it would not be nearly enough to cover jacket , pants, and helmet > if it had been damaged. This guideline and/or policy needs to be changed so > that motor cycles are treated like cars with regard to repair of safety > equipment. > > I spoke with Sean Maher, government relations guy at AMA and he indicated a > willingness to look at the possibility of trying to do something nationally > regarding a change . If you are an AMA member, and are interested, contact > him by phone or online at smaher@XXXXXX. > > I can now highly endorse Erie Insurance and the local folks in the > Hagerstown, Md. claim office and the adjuster from the Leesburg, Va. area. > > Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 08:40:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ECe9k14124 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sun, 14 May 2000 08:40:05 -0400 Message-ID: <391E9EBA.44CE654@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:40:26 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding? References: <000501bfbd99$40f35cc0$11f67ad1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the biggest problem getting group rides together is that the people who led most of the rides have either left the area and /or left the list. I suspect most of us, like me, are just waiting for somebody to step up early one week and announce a big group ride. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 Simon Cook wrote: > I joined this list a couple of months ago for the simple reason of finding > riding buddies.So far I've not been succesful but have managed to get > involved in some stupid forum on Coleman PS.Lifes too short,and after > reading some words from Chuck I agree there is no harm done.I feel there is > an attitude of dominance from some regulars that is tantamount to > censorship.As I dont either like Coleman PS or this bully behavior then I > will accept the proposal to not show at these gatherings.Unsubscribing > Simon. > PS do you EVER go riding From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 08:57:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ECvhk14424 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id i.7e.4dc045d (3991); Sun, 14 May 2000 08:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7e.4dc045d.264ffc9b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:56:59 EDT Subject: Digital age/2000 kind of guy To: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, abolt06@XXXXXX, kall@XXXXXX, AReed@XXXXXX, GBarber433@XXXXXX, DCCALD@XXXXXX, TOODYBEAR@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, JimEpting@XXXXXX, hahart@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, mattison@XXXXXX, E3mck@XXXXXX, gmckeithen@XXXXXX, shellga@XXXXXX, Gwenm@XXXXXX, charles.mclemore@XXXXXX, jphilips@XXXXXX, ppommer@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, ghsimmons@XXXXXX, pjsimpson@XXXXXX, PamelaFayeSmith@XXXXXX, jeff@XXXXXX, evilcotgrevil@XXXXXX, Kevrep96@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 My recently accquired cell phone # 304 279-5056. Bob From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 13:43:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4EHhek18851 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from H8isabeaut@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.75.41eb86f (1839) for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:43:31 -0400 (EDT) From: H8isabeaut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <75.41eb86f.26503fc3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:43:31 EDT Subject: Going on a ride....... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 So you wanna go on a ride? Then GO!!!! Get a map out, and point yer bike down the road. When you 've gone as far as you want pull out the map and try to find your way back. But seriously, if people want to go some time, I know plenty of great roads in southern MD that are really fun to tool around on. After I get my little GS500 back on the road I'll be lookin fer folks to ride with. Let me know. Dave 2000 GS 500e 1964 Vespa VNB 1969 AMC Ambassador SST From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 15:31:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4EJVDk20584 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 15:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.e1.44df8dc (3982) for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 15:30:58 -0400 (EDT) From: RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:30:58 EDT Subject: Happy Mothers Day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 75 Happy Mother's Day to all of the Moms on the list!!!!!!! From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 20:49:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4F0nrk25294 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 20:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id n.7d.4e2ca28 (3929); Sun, 14 May 2000 20:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7d.4e2ca28.2650a3a4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:49:40 EDT Subject: Re: Riding? To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, simoncook@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 5/14/2000 8:02:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MJordan666@XXXXXX writes: << > PS do you EVER go riding We did a lot last year, but this year has been dead :-( Michael J. >> I think everyone's just working too hard. Let's all just take a couple days off and go riding. :-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 20:53:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4F0rbk25373 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 20:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.fb.5c09758 (3929); Sun, 14 May 2000 20:53:19 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:53:18 EDT Subject: Re: Riding? To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 5/14/2000 8:28:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << Perhaps because nobody's stepped up to fill Anita or Collin's shoes?! If I didn't work a weird shift (Sat-Wed nights), I'd be happy to lead a group ride on occassion. That is, if ya don't mind a slow pace. Rob VanSlyke >> I think you've hit the nail on the head. Bring back Anita. Bring back Collin. Bring back Anita. Bring back Collin. Come on people, work with me here. :-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 23:22:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4F3M1k27630 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kira (user-2ivek6a.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.80.202]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA18737 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: motopix@XXXXXX Message-ID: <004d01bfbe1c$03254880$0145450a@kira> To: Subject: Any word on Sunday's Summit Point accident? Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:16:49 -0400 Organization: MotoPix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Any word on the RC-51 rider (#69 I think) who highsided in turn 1 on Sunday? I figure he must have been ok since they cancelled the airlift (I know what you're thinking, yes he was still alive and kicking). What was his injury? I was there for about five hours and all in all it was a _very _ slow day of racing: between the Bike-B-Q on the front straight and the aforementioned highside, I don't think I saw more than a handful of races. From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 23:32:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4F3W4k27813 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.65]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08291; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391F9A2C.9D480B08@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:33:16 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Cook CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding? References: <000501bfbd99$40f35cc0$11f67ad1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Simon! Chuck here! Yes, I went riding today (with Mark Kitchell). And BTW, despite some disagreement on the list about the whole Bike Night/PowerRider (Coleman) thing, I still hope you come to Bike Night. Seriously. Unless you just absolutely hate PowerRider so intensely and feel the need to not have anything to do with them (however remotely), I don't think there's anybody that doesn't want you to not be there. But I respect your position and decision if you choose otherwise. Regards, Chuck Simon Cook wrote: > > I joined this list a couple of months ago for the simple reason of finding > riding buddies.So far I've not been succesful but have managed to get > involved in some stupid forum on Coleman PS.Lifes too short,and after > reading some words from Chuck I agree there is no harm done.I feel there is > an attitude of dominance from some regulars that is tantamount to > censorship.As I dont either like Coleman PS or this bully behavior then I > will accept the proposal to not show at these gatherings.Unsubscribing > Simon. > PS do you EVER go riding -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun May 14 23:34:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4F3YJk27823 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.65]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27082; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391F9AB2.4D6F6B14@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:35:30 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" CC: "'DC Cycles '" Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This -- more than the fact that we're getting a few door prizes from PowerRider (Coleman) -- is a REAL REASON to avoid Bike Night 2! %^) Chuck "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote : > > Mark. I hope Bike Night 2 will be as good. (I'll be there, so how bad could > it be? ;^)) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 02:10:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4F6AAk01089 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 02:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000515060952.21908.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:09:52 PDT Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Simon, Give the list some time... it fluctuates up and down. Very easy to just filter out the noise using the delete key when it is down... Part of the problem right now is that there has been a HUGE influx of new people to the list, and most have never met and developed those personal relationships many of us have. Hence the list is a bit less personal and like other lists, people are a bit shorter with the anonymity of email....I think as the warm weather is finally getting here, more folks will be getting together riding and going to DCC parties and bike nights, etc. Then the list will settle down some to what it's been in the past. At the end of last summer, I would guess that over 2/3 or maybe even more of the list had met each other in person, either on a ride or at a gathering. Now I'd say that number is a lot smaller. Larry and Scooter.... I feel so loved!! ;-) hehehe Trust me, I'd be having rides every weekend (except race weekends of course) if I could if I were still in the area. Michigan roads suck!!! I'll be back in town over memorial day weekend; however, I don't know if I'll be doing any street riding...I'm bringing the KX with me and plan on getting a bit dirty over the weekend :) As someone else mentioned, just point the bike some direction and go! there are some awesome roads in Loudoun county. Pretty much any secondary road between Leesburgh, Hamilton, Purcelleville, Waterford, Lovettesville, etc. are good places to start...then head farther south and west via the likes of 647 to flint hill and over to washington, then you're right at 211. then just make a big loop of it and hit 33 all the way deep into West (by gawd) Virginia, then come back on 250... After all that you'll be grinning too much to worry about who said what on the list ;-) Hope all the racers did well this weekend.... i should be all ready for round two of GLRRA next weekend!! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 02:53:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4F6rBk01774 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 02:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts005d01.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.236.205] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:51:04 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Rides.. Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:50:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01bfbe39$d79a2500$cdec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Yikes, I didn't even think last year was very good for rides as compared to the year before that. But the list was DEAD back in '97 - I think Glenn and I did the most number of list announced rides, and it was usually just us 2. In anycase.. Anita, Collin and myself are all going to be in the Sterling, VA area over the Memorial Day weekend.. I'm getting in LATE (2am) on Friday night/Sat. morning.. probably doing a dirt ride on Saturday, a ride with friends on Sunday.. and then Monday is wide open. You want notification for a group ride? Well, here it is.. yea, it's on a holiday - time to either go riding and not complain about there not being any rides though.. *grin* Lets see if we can beat that 48? rider pack we had one winter ride.. I remember sitting near the back of that looong line and looking out across this expanse of motorcyclists and smiling.. lets do it again. Brian McCoy.. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 08:13:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FCCwk06860 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 15 May 2000 08:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <391FE9D8.984F6CD5@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:13:12 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any word on Sunday's Summit Point accident? References: <004d01bfbe1c$03254880$0145450a@kira> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Word in the pits was a broken femur, no further details. Larry motopix@XXXXXX wrote: > Any word on the RC-51 rider (#69 I think) who highsided in turn 1 on Sunday? > I figure he must have been ok since they cancelled the airlift (I know what > you're thinking, yes he was still alive and kicking). What was his injury? > > I was there for about five hours and all in all it was a _very _ slow day of > racing: between the Bike-B-Q on the front straight and the aforementioned > highside, I don't think I saw more than a handful of races. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 08:48:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FCmok07707 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FCmhi15852 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 05:48:43 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Any word on Sunday's Summit Point accident? Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:42:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bfbe6b$0b063ec0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004d01bfbe1c$03254880$0145450a@kira> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I talked to a CCS official at the starting line who said that yes, he did break his femur. Normally they airlift out the rider in this type of injury because of the threat to the artery in the leg, but the dispatcher had to send the helicopter to a more urgent call elsewhere, so the rider was taken out by vehicle. It was my first time to the track to see the racing and I was impressed, although I confess the injury did spook me a little. All the other racers in the pits helped get the rider's stuff loaded into his trailer and looked after his bike. The left side of the RC51 was pristine, the right side suffered massive bodywork damage, major dent in the tank and it appeared that that side's radiator was dislodged. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA Any word on the RC-51 rider (#69 I think) who highsided in turn 1 on Sunday? I figure he must have been ok since they cancelled the airlift (I know what you're thinking, yes he was still alive and kicking). What was his injury? I was there for about five hours and all in all it was a _very _ slow day of racing: between the Bike-B-Q on the front straight and the aforementioned highside, I don't think I saw more than a handful of races. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 09:03:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FD3sk08018 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.c6.5348e3a (4560) for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:03:45 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:03:45 EDT Subject: I'm going riding around 10 this morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 If anyone wants to go. I'll be heading west from Manassas with no planned route although I may end up out in the Canaan Valley area of WVA. Should be mostly decent back roads. If you want to go call me at 703-330-5464. Don't email because I probably won't see it. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 09:15:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FDFtk08252 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17045; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391FF8CA.E7BCEC0C@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:16:59 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , "LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX" , Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." , SuzukiBikes-L , Suzuki-l Subject: [Fwd: Suzuki Owners Club Md. Meeting] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FDA7616978C76527BE9CE7E4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FDA7616978C76527BE9CE7E4 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0F272BBCD35456D49BBE96F0" --------------0F272BBCD35456D49BBE96F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TONIGHT! TONIGHT! Just a reminder of tonight's Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. meeting for Maryland! --------------0F272BBCD35456D49BBE96F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TONIGHT! TONIGHT!

Just a reminder of tonight's Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A.  meeting for Maryland!
 
  --------------0F272BBCD35456D49BBE96F0-- --------------FDA7616978C76527BE9CE7E4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <391AD983.3BC8B72C@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:02:12 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Suzuki Owners Club Md." , Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , DC Kats , "LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX" , Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List , SuzukiBikes-L , Suzuki-l Subject: Suzuki Owners Club Md. Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Announcing the first meeting of the Suzuki Owners Club, for members in Maryland. This meetings agenda will focus on the organization of Maryland chapters of the Suzuki Owners Club, a membership drive and setting up ride destinations. This meeting is open to all, without regard to MC brands, but of course we'll be talking SUZUKI ;) The meeting will take place on Monday May 15th. (and the 3rd. Monday of each month following) at 7:30 pm. at: Hutson's Lake Shore Tavern, 1342 Lake Road Pasadena Maryland 21122 410-255-3833 Use this address for your favorite driving directions web site or use; http://www.mapquest.com For further information please page Steve at 410-805-7840 or you may contact Ron Kostin at 410-961-7474 Thank you, Steven Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org --------------FDA7616978C76527BE9CE7E4-- From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 09:21:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FDKxk08347 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.bf.32a2e59 (4332) for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:20:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:20:44 EDT Subject: Summit Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 A big thanks to everyone who came out to see the races this weekend! The support is always appreciated!! I'll have a full race report later this evening, but a special nod should go to Danny Thompson who just participated in his first race weekend and was SMOKIN fast for his level of experience. CCS was having technical difficulties with their computers, and I didn't get results for all the races, but Danny took a 9th place finish in a very large grid on his first time out in the one race for which I did see the results. I had a chance to see him in the 30 min GT Lights race on Sat and he was running smooth lines and dicing with some other bikes. Also, DC-Cycles rider Sean Jordan took and passed the MARRC road racing school and will be joining us June 10th for the WERA Summit Point event. Congrats Sean on qualifying for his license, and Danny on a great first weekend -welcome to the best sport on earth! As for myself, I won GT Lights, took 2nd in LW Superbike, and 3rd in LW GP. I also took 2nd in 125gp on my TZ125. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 09:23:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FDNck08373 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:23:27 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629D2@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Chuck Pena'" Subject: All the Crap About Coleman's and something MUCH more important Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:18:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain >From the 'other' organizer of Bike Nights 1, 2, etc...... I haven't responded to any of these emails yet since I was RIDING all weekend. Yeah, email loses its fun when the sun is shining and the roads are beckoning. Just to reiterate, Chuck and I get nothing from these events but the satisfaction of seeing you all have fun and promoting motorcycling in this area. And there is no way either of us is gonna worry about each and everyone's particular feelings about a sponsor. I really don't care if you like or hate Coleman. Quite frankly, I think that Chuck was been incredibly patient and diplomatic in his responses, especially those equating inviting Coleman to Phillip Morris. SHAMELESS PLUG: There is a 'sponsor' for this event that surely warrants much more discussion than Coleman's tiny little participation. This Bike Night will benefit the Motorcycle Safety Crew's fundraising efforts for the Washington DC AIDSRide 5. At least 10 of your fellow DC Cycles members have graciously volunteer to spend FIVE days of their summer (vacation days) to provide Crew support for the 3000 bicycle riders completing the 330 mile ride to raise money and awareness for AIDs treatment and research. So, if you want to get excited about something, get excited about this please. All donations will go to the Moto Crew's team fundraising effort. Our goal is to raise $10,000 and I am hoping Bike Night 2 is a big part of that. Details are still being worked out, but there will be an opportunity for you to make donations and I am hoping that CarPool kicks in a % of sales as well. Thanks and ride your motorcycles more, jaw less! Mark Kitchell From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 09:56:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FDumk08856 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FDuii26809 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:56:45 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: Summit Point Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:50:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfbe74$8c5aade0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Spent my first day at the track on Sunday. Although I had been out to Summit Point before, this was the first time during a bike event and I had a blast. Many, many thanks to Bryan Roach for putting up with me. I discovered shortly after arriving that my black leather jacket can be less than ideal for a long stroll in the bright sunshine and Bryan let me stow my stuff while I went to watch the racing. Although the various class designations still appear somewhat confusing, the racing was great and I could have this much fun without trolling for police cruisers :) The atmosphere was pretty relaxed and I was able to stroll to several locations and take pictures, I even got to climb into the "hot tub" at turn one and see some exciting passing. Some much stimuli, so little time. The sounds alone are worth the visit, trying to differentiate the different bikes by their exhaust note was game that kept me busy the entire afternoon. I can't wait to get out onto the track myself, I definitely got bitten by the racing bug. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 10:05:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from meer.meer.net (meer.meer.net [140.174.164.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FE5jk09103 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from markandbonnie.com (pm3b-92.elkins.meer.net [216.206.137.92]) by meer.meer.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/meer) with ESMTP id HAA98972 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <392009EF.BC70FA62@markandbonnie.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:30:58 -0400 From: mark Reply-To: mark@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Big Group Ride? References: <000501bfbd99$40f35cc0$11f67ad1@oemcomputer> <391E9EBA.44CE654@mgfairfax.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK folks, seems like everyone wants a group ride.... I'm the guy who lives and rides in west virginia... how many would be interested in a large group ride in the mountain highlands?... I've wanted to do this for a long time... I know the area and I publish West Virginia Outdoors Magazine. I can get hotel discounts, attraction discounts, food discounts... in other words, if I knew how many were interested, I could put together a hassle-free ride... probably sometime in late august, early september... probably meeting somewhere friday evening and ending noon Sunday.... it would be a lot of fun and on some of the best riding roads I've ever been on... What do y'all think? Mark Elkins, WV Larry Meyer wrote: > I think the biggest problem getting group rides together is that the people who > led most of the rides have either left the area and /or left the list. I > suspect most of us, like me, are just waiting for somebody to step up early one > week and announce a big group ride. > > Larry Meyer > Annandale, VA > '97 Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 10:21:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FELpk09530 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:21:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3920322D.6A005749@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:21:49 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Summit Point References: <000c01bfbe74$8c5aade0$770810ac@cedric> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Although the various class designations still appear somewhat > confusing, Oh yeah, you nailed it. I still haven't figured those classes out. I'd love an explanation if anybody has it handy. >I definitely got bitten by the racing bug. Yeah, I had a good time when I visited. Gotta go back! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 10:36:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FEaOk09855 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:36:13 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629E2@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Good Cop Story! Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:31:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Here is a good story about the boyz in blue. And since some of the more uptight members of this list will be sure to point this out to me, yes I am a reckless little squid sometimes!! Saturday, 3PM. Had returned to DC from a group ride with my AIDS Ride team. HOT HOT HOT. Sweat was in my eyes as I turned from Walter Reed to Glebe in Arlington, VA, just 5 mins from my house. The 4 lane road runs down about a mile before the next major light at the 395 overpass. I got behind two cars together, waited for a gap to open, then blasted it down the road, passing a few cars that were in the left lane. Estiamted speed, 60+ in a 35... I hit the red light at Glebe and 395. A few seconds later I hear a short siren sound, which stops. I look all over for an ambulance. The car in front of me moves over, as do I. I head the sound again and finally look behind me. There is an Arlington Police van. Thinking he is trying to get by me, I move way over. He follows and I realize its my ass he wants. I pull into a motel parking lot cursing my luck. My helmet and coat come off as he radios my plate in. He then jumps out screaming..."Do you know the speed limit here." 35 I respond. He replies "Yes and how fast were you going" Me: "I don't know but certainly over 35 (I believe a little honesty/humility helps). He takes my licsense and gets back in the Van while I root around for my registration. I bring that back to him and ask if he needs anything else, sir? He angrily says "just sit tight and cool it" I notice the ticket book is out........)-: After 5 mins he again jumps out, agressive as ever. Cop: Didn't you see me? Me (honestly): No, I did not. Cop: You passed me like I was standing still and I was going at least 50. Me: Sir, I am very sorry. Its hot and my eyes were doused in sweat. I did not see you. I would never pass a police officer like that, its disrespectful. Cop (his attitude changed a tiny bit): I know how it is, I ride. I have a CBR600. But you gotta slow down. Its the other drivers, not you that I worry about. Me: Yes sir. Him: Here is your WARNING for 35 in a 50. No fine/no points but be careful. The rest of the conversation was two motorcyclists talking about bikes. I invited him and his compardres from Moto to Bike Night 2. Ride Safe, Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 10:46:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FEkik10050 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000515144637.21441.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:46:37 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:46:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Big Group Ride? To: mark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like a damn good plan to me, set it up! Glenn --- mark wrote: > OK folks, seems like everyone wants a group ride.... > I'm the guy who lives and > rides in west virginia... how many would be > interested in a large group ride in > the mountain highlands?... I've wanted to do this > for a long time... I know the > area and I publish West Virginia Outdoors Magazine. > I can get hotel discounts, > attraction discounts, food discounts... in other > words, if I knew how many were > interested, I could put together a hassle-free > ride... probably sometime in late > august, early september... probably meeting > somewhere friday evening and ending > noon Sunday.... it would be a lot of fun and on > some of the best riding roads > I've ever been on... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 10:53:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FErSk10177 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000515145321.27814.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:53:21 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! To: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very good story, i wish I had the luck you and some of the others seem to have on the list. I know when I ride fast then when I get pulled its going to be a ticket. good luck and ride fast! Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Here is a good story about the boyz in blue. And > since some of the more > uptight members of this list will be sure to point > this out to me, yes I am > a reckless little squid sometimes!! > > Saturday, 3PM. Had returned to DC from a group ride > with my AIDS Ride team. > HOT HOT HOT. Sweat was in my eyes as I turned from > Walter Reed to Glebe in > Arlington, VA, just 5 mins from my house. The 4 > lane road runs down about a > mile before the next major light at the 395 > overpass. I got behind two cars > together, waited for a gap to open, then blasted it > down the road, passing a > few cars that were in the left lane. Estiamted > speed, 60+ in a 35... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 10:59:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FExkk10264 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12rMJb-0001KH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:57:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:59:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 In-Reply-To: <001501bfbc99$2934af40$0145450a@kira> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 13 May 2000 motopix@XXXXXX wrote: > Perhaps you should call Phillip-Morris for Bike Night 3. > Cool, free cigs I'll be there. The Beretta factory is just up the street in Maryland. I would really love to get an Elite 2 as a door prize. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 11:14:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FFEdk10578 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id l.27.5970c0e (4332); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <27.5970c0e.26516e38@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:14:00 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point To: Horkster@XXXXXX, bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/15/00 10:25:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Oh yeah, you nailed it. I still haven't figured those > classes out. I'd love an explanation if anybody has it handy. Supersport: Classed by Displacement. No modification beyond pipe and jetting, must use DOT tires. NO GP BIKES Superbike: Classed By Displacement. All modifications Legal. NO GP Bikes, GP replica bikes OK (European Street-legal two-strokes like the TZR, NSR, Aprillia, etc) GP: Classed by displacement. "real" non street-legal 2-stroke Grand Prix machines allowed - TZ, RS, etc. 4-stroke bikes allowed to run under Superbike rules, and are "performance indexed" to the closest GP displacement. Each class is run multiple times - Lightweight, Middleweight, Heavyweight, and Unlimited. For a 4-stroke, water-cooled 4-cyl quickie: LW = 400's, MW = 600's, HW = 750's, Unlimited = 1000's What makes it all confusing is that the pro-am racing orgs try to make it so every bike out there has a class in which to be competitive. People bring everything under the sun out to the track and want to race - the rules try and "performance index" bikes together, which sometimes makes it hard to figure out just by looking at the grid. A typical lightweight race has FZR400s, EX500s, Honda Hawks, SV650s, Honda CB-1s (really), Interceptor 500s, Bandit 400s, and even an occasional vintage two stroker like an RD350 in the mix, along with other stuff I can't think of at the moment. This is just a brief outline. Both CCS and WERA have their rule books online and you can see the displacement limits for the various engine types (2, 3, 4 cyl - water vs. air cooled, etc) for each class. www.wera.com www.ccsracing.com -= Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 11:20:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FFKRk10828 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000515152019.26771.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:20:19 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:20:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket To: Dave Cross , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Let me give my .02 on the Reckless thread. First, Reckless Driving in VA can happen from many different things, some of them are: * loss of traction (AKA spinning your tires) * Excessive speed (20 over EXCEPT the part of the statue that states anything over 80 is Reckless regardless of speed limit) * Excessive speed in bad road conditions. In other words if there is 1 foot of snow and the speed limit is 35 you could get a reckless ticket for doing 30. * Passing a stopped school bus I think you get the idea. Also Reckless is a class 1 misdemeanor which is punishable in VA by 1 year in jail and/or $2500 fine. Sure I've never heard of anyone getting the maxes but it could happen. As far as the speedometer calibration, as Bruce said good luck finding a place that will do a bike. I also called around and could never find anyone who does bikes. One of the problems being that with cars they put them on a dyno sort of thing and hit the gas. Since most bikes speedometers run off the front wheel that's not possible. And the way it works in court is this, VA code allows a certificate of speedometer calibration to be used in your defense. That's why lawyers always tell you to do that first. My thought on Reckless in general is to get a lawyer as its a pretty serious offense. Yeah it may cost you $500 bucks or so but the lawyers have the advantage of knowing the judges, prosecutors, etc and no how to get the tickets reduced. Most times in VA the charge can be reduced to Improper Driving which is a BS charge which has the same points as a 1-9 over speeding ticket. A buddy of mine has handled many Reckless cases including one of mine, several of my friends, list members (you guys remember the guy who got caught doing 130 on I-66?), and other lists list members. I highly recommend him. If you want his name/number let me know. What ever you chose, good luck! Glenn --- Dave Cross wrote: > This mornings commute was great up until the point > that I got a ticket for > reckless driving on the Dulles Toll Road. Any > suggestions on a point of > attack for my mandatory court date in July? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 11:37:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FFbPk11350 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 8.98.4fa7ad7 (4332); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <98.4fa7ad7.2651738e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:36:46 EDT Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket To: dysart@XXXXXX, dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/15/00 11:22:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: > As far as the speedometer calibration, as Bruce said > good luck finding a place that will do a bike. I also > called around and could never find anyone who does > bikes. One of the problems being that with cars they > put them on a dyno sort of thing and hit the gas. > Since most bikes speedometers run off the front wheel > that's not possible. Borrow or buy a GPS unit. It shows you MPH based on the GPS data being received and is very accurate. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 11:43:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FFh0k11597 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000515154241.FEHT23295.fortune.excite.com@prickles> for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:42:41 -0700 Message-ID: <8172399.958405361324.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4FFh8k11598 Mark & Chuck, I hope I speak for the silent majority, when I say.... Thank-You. For all the trouble and hassle that you went through to put these nights together. All politics aside, you did a great job in taking the initiative that so many of us do not (myself included). A while ago I talked to Anita and asked her why she didn’t stay on DC-Cycles. She told me that it was all the whining and flaming that annoyed her. This is a clue folks. Be appreciative of those who contribute. __________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you! James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 11:48:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FFm4k11716 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michaeljackson ([63.80.246.6]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07102 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:47:16 -0400 Message-ID: <015301bfbe85$0bb4f680$06f6503f@spectrumcomputers.com> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <98.4fa7ad7.2651738e@aol.com> Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:48:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 But it's not admissable in court. Legally worthless. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 5/15/00 11:22:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: > > > As far as the speedometer calibration, as Bruce said > > good luck finding a place that will do a bike. I also > > Borrow or buy a GPS unit. It shows you MPH based on the GPS data being > received and is very accurate. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 11:49:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FFnZk11728 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id n.9c.3b3595d (4332); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:49:25 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.3b3595d.26517685@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:49:25 EDT Subject: Re: Riding? To: simoncook@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/14/00 7:49:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, simoncook@XXXXXX writes: > PS do you EVER go riding Unfortunately, racing season now sucks away most of my weekends. (And even if you're not racing, you're usually working on the race bikes). Jun - Aug has racing 3 out of 4 weekends, which defiantly is tight... believe it or not, that open weekend you generally would rather relax and get aquatinted with your house and girlfriend than go riding. Once Sept rolls around I try and hit some of the fall group rides and outings. I also will try and have at least one DC-Cycles get together over here on an off weekend this summer. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 12:10:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FGA3k12102 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:10:03 -0700 Message-ID: <39204B8D.A46B3196@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:10:05 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point References: <27.5970c0e.26516e38@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Supersport: Classed by Displacement. No modification beyond pipe and jetting, > must use DOT tires. NO GP BIKES > > Superbike: Classed By Displacement. All modifications Legal. NO GP Bikes, GP > replica bikes OK (European Street-legal two-strokes like the TZR, NSR, > Aprillia, etc) > > GP: Classed by displacement. "real" non street-legal 2-stroke Grand Prix > machines allowed - TZ, RS, etc. 4-stroke bikes allowed to run under Superbike > rules, and are "performance indexed" to the closest GP displacement. > > Each class is run multiple times - Lightweight, Middleweight, Heavyweight, > and Unlimited. For a 4-stroke, water-cooled 4-cyl quickie: > LW = 400's, MW = 600's, HW = 750's, Unlimited = 1000's Bryan, Thanks! Wish I would've had this at my first weekend up at SP. I still had a blast anyway. Hoping to get up there and spectate sometime again this year (never made it last year). -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 12:10:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FGAMk12104 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flash1.flashmail.com ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:02:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3920499E.BC09E8F5@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:01:50 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <20000515145321.27814.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > I know when I ride fast then when I get pulled its > going to be a ticket. A self-fulfilling prophecy, perhaps? I've gotten pulled over 4 times in my driving/riding career, and let go three of those times. I try to be simply calm, polite, respectful, and honest. And I keep a MAJOR check on my normally cynical, smart-ass mouth. You might think what you say is funny, a cop may take it as an insult. I'm willing to bet a lot of cops don't decide whether to write the ticket/warning out until they have a talk with the offender. You have any trace of an attitude, or try to weasel at all, and it's ticket time. Show them that you are not angry, rushed, inexperienced, or a wild-eyed, murderous cop-hater and your chances of having just a conversation about your riding habits rise dramatically. And you know, I've met some pretty cool cops this way. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 12:22:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FGMhk12361 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:22:33 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Dale Horstman'" , dysart@XXXXXX Cc: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Good Cop Story! Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:17:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Dale: Yes, yes, yes. The cop was hot under the collar towards me and I started to get mad, especially when I saw the ticket book. But in the face of his crap, I said nothing bad. If I had mouthed off, that ticket would have been written for sure. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 3:02 PM > To: dysart@XXXXXX > Cc: Mark Kitchell; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > I know when I ride fast then when I get pulled its > > going to be a ticket. > > A self-fulfilling prophecy, perhaps? I've gotten > pulled over 4 times in my driving/riding career, and > let go three of those times. I try to be simply calm, > polite, respectful, and honest. And I keep a MAJOR > check on my normally cynical, smart-ass mouth. You might > think what you say is funny, a cop may take it as an insult. > > I'm willing to bet a lot of cops don't decide whether > to write the ticket/warning out until they have a talk > with the offender. You have any trace of an attitude, > or try to weasel at all, and it's ticket time. Show them > that you are not angry, rushed, inexperienced, or a > wild-eyed, murderous cop-hater and your chances of having > just a conversation about your riding habits rise > dramatically. > > And you know, I've met some pretty cool cops this way. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 12:25:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FGP0k12392 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Preludef2@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.92.4c579ea (4333) for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:24:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Preludef2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <92.4c579ea.26517ed0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:24:48 EDT Subject: GSXR-750 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 77 does anyone know of a 97-98 gsxr 750 for sale? if so email me....brent From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 12:46:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FGkUk12878 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00757 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:46:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000515124422.01ae5890@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:46:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Good Cop Story! In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:17 PM 5/15/00 , Mark Kitchell wrote: >If I had mouthed off, that ticket would have been written for sure. THAT is what pisses me off most about getting a ticket. I don't need a lecture from the cop, just a warning or a ticket. If I knew they were going to give me the ticket no matter what I say, I would probably try and take the ego down a notch or two on their side. I'm a big boy - I know what I was doing.....my mom can nag me, but Mr. LWO isn't welcome to. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 12:50:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FGotk12979 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.26.5b03f9a (6964) for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:50:35 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <26.5b03f9a.265184da@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:50:34 EDT Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 In a message dated 5/15/2000 11:55:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bnorton@XXXXXX writes: << But it's not admissable in court. Legally worthless. >> The data itself may be worthless but if you testify as to what you observed first hand, it is not worthless. This also applies to a properly calibrated bicycle computer like the Sigmas. Your testimony is truthful because you swore to tell the truth. It may not get you off but at least it puts something out there that otherwise wouldnt be mentioned. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 12:53:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FGrYk13093 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e4FGrVa27671 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:53:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! In-Reply-To: <3920499E.BC09E8F5@flashmail.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 May 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > I'm willing to bet a lot of cops don't decide whether > to write the ticket/warning out until they have a talk > with the offender. You have any trace of an attitude, > or try to weasel at all, and it's ticket time. Show them > that you are not angry, rushed, inexperienced, or a > wild-eyed, murderous cop-hater and your chances of having > just a conversation about your riding habits rise > dramatically. Bleah, as someone who's been pulled over something like 8-10 times and gotten tickets for every single one I say BULL! I treat cops just as politely as I can, have never attempted to weasal out of a ticket in any way, provide my documentation quickly/in good order, etc. The clincher ticket for me was last summer going down 81 in Pulaski, VA where I got a 74/65 speeding ticket. As soon as I saw the police car moving I pulled over. I need a fraternal order of police hat or something (FBI?)... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 12:57:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FGvtk13222 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-48.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.112]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08898; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392057C2.898F729E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:02:10 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rides.. References: <000f01bfbe39$d79a2500$cdec9bcf@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, Unfortunately, I won't be around on Memorial Day weekend. I'll be riding my GSXR up in DE/PA visiting my wife's sister/family. Would love to meet you and ride with you. Maybe next time??? Chuck Brian McCoy wrote : > > In anycase.. Anita, Collin and myself are all going to be in the Sterling, > VA area over the Memorial Day weekend.. I'm getting in LATE (2am) on Friday > night/Sat. morning.. probably doing a dirt ride on Saturday, a ride with > friends on Sunday.. and then Monday is wide open. You want notification for > a group ride? Well, here it is.. yea, it's on a holiday - time to either > go riding and not complain about there not being any rides though.. *grin* From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 12:59:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FGxPk13232 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-48.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.112]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03348; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3920581F.4DD760DE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:03:43 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh, Did you enter the raffle up in Carroll County??? %^) Chuck Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Cool, free cigs I'll be there. The Beretta factory > is just up the street in Maryland. I would really love to > get an Elite 2 as a door prize. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 13:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FH6Zk13670 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000515170624.14704.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:06:24 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dysart@XXXXXX, dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But will the data be submissable in court??? Probably not. The shop(s) where people get their speedometer calibrated are usually registered with the state and therefore your certificate is genuine so to speak. A readout from a GPS unit ain't gonna help you in court. Glenn --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 5/15/00 11:22:28 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > > Borrow or buy a GPS unit. It shows you MPH based on > the GPS data being > received and is very accurate. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 13:11:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FHBZk13695 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:10:56 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:10:55 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:10:42 -0400 Message-Id: <39202FDA.F61D181C@trw.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:11:54 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm glad to hear you got off w/o the ticket, Mark. One of your comments bears examination I think. You say the cop was "hot under the collar," and I had a similar recent experience that also resulted no ticket. Throughout that particular incident the cop also seemed *quite* pissed at me, and it kind of surprised me at the time; then I thought about it. I wondered how many times a week that cop must view the results of a deadly accident that might have been avoided had the driver in question been paying attention, or not speeding. How often do you have to see that kind of thing? Have you ever? Imagine seeing it all the time. I realized it must be pretty upsetting to routinely see the gory results of a little inattention and 20 extra MPH. I know that sometimes when I see someone tooling down the road, weaving in and out of traffic, it kind of upsets me a little. Mostly it's because I know that no one on the road (myself included of course) is as good a driver as he thinks he is, and behavior like that indicates a dangerous ignorance or a blatant disregard for others around. I guess all I'm saying is that maybe the cop is trying to impart ot you the gravity of what you were caught doing in the only way he really has time to at that particular moment. So maybe this will help you not be tempted to be mouthy or whatever, next time the cop gives you "crap," because really there's no good reason to be that way. It's generally not justified and it will get you nowhere. Anyway, I guess this is me standing up for the police again, which is really strange because I really am a habitual speeder and I hate getting pulled over as much as anyone. And, yes, I agree that sometimes they're just pulling you over to make money for the treasury. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Mark Kitchell wrote: > Yes, yes, yes. The cop was hot under the collar towards me and I started to > get mad, especially when I saw the ticket book. But in the face of his > crap, I said nothing bad. > > If I had mouthed off, that ticket would have been written for sure. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 13:18:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FHIsk13874 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000515171843.16219.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:18:43 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:18:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! To: Dale Horstman Cc: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And so do I, I do the sir bullshit, have everything ready, etc. When I see the cop coming back with the ticket book though and I'm signing the ticket, I usually start running my mouth cause at that point I know I ain't getting out of it. Some people are just luckier then others and you must be one of them. I'll also say that most of the time I've been pulled over its been by VA State police and very RARELY do they let anyone go. I think I've heard of one time of someone not getting ticketed by a VA State cop. Glenn > > going to be a ticket. > > A self-fulfilling prophecy, perhaps? I've gotten > pulled over 4 times in my driving/riding career, and > > let go three of those times. I try to be simply > calm, > polite, respectful, and honest. And I keep a MAJOR > check on my normally cynical, smart-ass mouth. You > might > think what you say is funny, a cop may take it as an > insult. > > I'm willing to bet a lot of cops don't decide > whether > to write the ticket/warning out until they have a > talk > with the offender. You have any trace of an > attitude, > or try to weasel at all, and it's ticket time. Show > them > that you are not angry, rushed, inexperienced, or a > wild-eyed, murderous cop-hater and your chances of > having > just a conversation about your riding habits rise > dramatically. > > And you know, I've met some pretty cool cops this > way. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 13:21:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FHLRk13973 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00849 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:21:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000515131906.01b1d560@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:21:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! In-Reply-To: <39202FDA.F61D181C@trw.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I can understand what you mean, but it isn't the cop's job to pass judgement. That is why we have judges. It isn't illegal to get mouthy with a cop. They are just people that (like all of us) tend to take themselves too seriously. Not that they shouldn't take their _jobs_ too seriously (don't get me wrong!). At 01:11 PM 5/15/00 , Randy Moran wrote: >I guess all I'm saying is that maybe the cop is trying to impart ot you the >gravity of what you were caught doing in the only way he really has time to at >that particular moment. So maybe this will help you not be tempted to be >mouthy >or whatever, next time the cop gives you "crap," because really there's no >good >reason to be that way. It's generally not justified and it will get you >nowhere. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 13:22:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FHMDk13983 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:21:53 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629F3@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Randy Moran'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Good Cop Story! Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:16:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Randy: I actually agree with you completely. I was angry a bit inside at him, but never let it show. When I said "crap: it was a poor way of writing what I meant, which is that he was obviously upset with me. Based on what you said and what he must see every day, I understand and at the time understood why he was angry. My point everyone who likes to get mad at cops...is mouthing will never help you get a break....never! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Moran [SMTP:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:12 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! > > I'm glad to hear you got off w/o the ticket, Mark. > > One of your comments bears examination I think. You say the cop was "hot > under > the collar," and I had a similar recent experience that also resulted no > ticket. Throughout that particular incident the cop also seemed *quite* > pissed > at me, and it kind of surprised me at the time; then I thought about it. I > wondered how many times a week that cop must view the results of a deadly > accident that might have been avoided had the driver in question been > paying > attention, or not speeding. How often do you have to see that kind of > thing? > Have you ever? Imagine seeing it all the time. > > I realized it must be pretty upsetting to routinely see the gory results > of a > little inattention and 20 extra MPH. I know that sometimes when I see > someone > tooling down the road, weaving in and out of traffic, it kind of upsets me > a > little. Mostly it's because I know that no one on the road (myself > included of > course) is as good a driver as he thinks he is, and behavior like that > indicates a dangerous ignorance or a blatant disregard for others around. > > I guess all I'm saying is that maybe the cop is trying to impart ot you > the > gravity of what you were caught doing in the only way he really has time > to at > that particular moment. So maybe this will help you not be tempted to be > mouthy > or whatever, next time the cop gives you "crap," because really there's no > good > reason to be that way. It's generally not justified and it will get you > nowhere. > > Anyway, I guess this is me standing up for the police again, which is > really > strange because I really am a habitual speeder and I hate getting pulled > over > as much as anyone. And, yes, I agree that sometimes they're just pulling > you > over to make money for the treasury. > > Randy Moran > WERA Novice #696 > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > > Sponsored by: > Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA > http://www.speed-werks.com > http://www.cortidesign.com > > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Yes, yes, yes. The cop was hot under the collar towards me and I > started to > > get mad, especially when I saw the ticket book. But in the face of his > > crap, I said nothing bad. > > > > If I had mouthed off, that ticket would have been written for sure. > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 13:22:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FHMtk13993 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:22:44 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629F4@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'dysart@XXXXXX'" , Dale Horstman Cc: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Good Cop Story! Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:17:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain A state cop at 211 told me....if i pull you over, we are exchanging paperwork > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart [SMTP:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:19 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: Mark Kitchell; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! > > And so do I, I do the sir bullshit, have everything > ready, etc. When I see the cop coming back with the > ticket book though and I'm signing the ticket, I > usually start running my mouth cause at that point I > know I ain't getting out of it. Some people are just > luckier then others and you must be one of them. I'll > also say that most of the time I've been pulled over > its been by VA State police and very RARELY do they > let anyone go. I think I've heard of one time of > someone not getting ticketed by a VA State cop. > > Glenn > > > > going to be a ticket. > > > > A self-fulfilling prophecy, perhaps? I've gotten > > pulled over 4 times in my driving/riding career, and > > > > let go three of those times. I try to be simply > > calm, > > polite, respectful, and honest. And I keep a MAJOR > > check on my normally cynical, smart-ass mouth. You > > might > > think what you say is funny, a cop may take it as an > > insult. > > > > I'm willing to bet a lot of cops don't decide > > whether > > to write the ticket/warning out until they have a > > talk > > with the offender. You have any trace of an > > attitude, > > or try to weasel at all, and it's ticket time. Show > > them > > that you are not angry, rushed, inexperienced, or a > > wild-eyed, murderous cop-hater and your chances of > > having > > just a conversation about your riding habits rise > > dramatically. > > > > And you know, I've met some pretty cool cops this > > way. > > > > Horkster > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 13:35:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FHZCk14240 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:35:12 -0700 Message-ID: <39205F88.19F1AD69@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:35:20 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > I treat cops just as politely as I can, have never attempted to > weasal out of a ticket in any way, provide my documentation > quickly/in good order, etc. As soon as I've figured out I'm gonna be pulled over, I slow down, get in the rightmost lane (if there is one) put on the blinker, and look for a good spot. Acknowledge the cop somehow (nod, wave, point to the shoulder, something) so He knows You know He is There, but don't just pull right over unless the shoulder is perfect. That thread here a couple weeks ago about the cop bumping the bike - I'm sure the cop figured the rider was gonna run, the rider probably didn't give much indication otherwise. Anyway, find a good spot to stop. Nothing sucks more than trying to park a bike on a gravel shoulder/high grass/ mud/etc. sloping the wrong way. Cops appreciate it too if you can pull well off the road, enough for the squad car to fit as well. Engine off, sidestand down, helmet off, held in my hands on the tank, waiting calmly for the officer to appear. I don't get off the bike until asked. I don't rant and rave, I don't complain about getting pulled over. Speak calmly and clearly. My license is in my wallet. But my registration is tucked away under my seat. I usally tell the cop this when asked for it. So I gotta pull off helmet, gloves, set them down, pull out ear plugs, unbungee all the crap I invariably have on the seat, set it all down, take key, remove seat, search around, waste some time, all the while trying to make conversation with Mr. Nice Officer. The longer he has to see I'm not some speed crazed junkie, and be charmed by my radiant personality :) the better it is for me. Just try to be normal. Bikers are cool. And a lot of cops are motorheads. If he asks about your bike, start telling him about it, cool features, things you like (I'd stay away from quarter mile times and top speed discussions, though) :) Some cops understand that high-performance machines just beg to be goosed on occasion. :) Wearing and having good safety gear sometimes helps. If you were just caught riding like a maniac and you are dressed in typical squid mode (shorts, sandals, t-shirt) you are probably gonna get nailed. Anyway, if the ploy fails, you took a while finding your stuff, had a nice long chat about why Kawasaki's are better than Honda's (or whatever), and you still have to buy a ticket to the Policeman's Ball, at least the he's wasted an extra 5-10 minutes on me that he could be using to hit the ticket quota. :) Now, after typing all this out, who wants to bet that I get nailed on the ride home tonight with a reckless? :) Horkster, knocking on wood -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 13:38:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from zaphod.smartbrief.com (IDENT:qmailr@[216.200.101.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FHcZk14301 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14787 invoked from network); 15 May 2000 16:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smartbrief.com) (216.200.101.98) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 15 May 2000 16:33:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3920366E.70F2A8AF@smartbrief.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:39:58 -0400 From: Zachariah Mully Organization: SmartBrief.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> <39202FDA.F61D181C@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > Yes, yes, yes. The cop was hot under the collar towards me and I started to > get mad, especially when I saw the ticket book. But in the face of his > crap, I said nothing bad. > > If I had mouthed off, that ticket would have been written for sure. Good to hear that you didn't get ticket ;) As for the being polite and getting off... I sympathize with anyone who has gotten stuck with a ticket after being "responsible" speeder. I happened to have an interesting experience a couple years ago on the 4th of July... I was tagged going 70 in a 35 in NH (probably the worst state to speed in, frickin' state cops are the gestapo up there). It was a total speed trap where the speed limit changed from 55 to 35 on the down hill side of a hill, so you couldn't react fast enough to slow down after cresting the hill. Two cops nailed and so I stopped, got off the bike and got my papers together. The cops (all 4 of them) were quite brusque with me and I felt like a ticket was guaranteed. Luckily, I was wearing my 'Stich and a reflective vest, full face helmet, heavy armored riding gloves and heavy boots... I think that is what saved me. I didn't look like an irresponsible rider, just one enjoying the road on a fantastic summer day, and luckily the cops thought that too (though it took them 30 minutes to call in my MA tags). All I got was a verbal warning akin to "There are a lot of drunks out tonight, so please be extra careful when you're out and about". I don't want to judge people by their appearance, but in a cop's line of work I am sure (ie profiling) that if you're wearing a tee-shirt and sandals when you get pulled over, the LEO is sure to be a lot less lenient with you. It sucks but that is the way it is... I would recommend wearing a reflective vest (like the bright orange joggers vests) regardless of what you have on, because it will not only make you more visible to cagers, but every time I have had one on and gotten stopped, I have _never_ been ticketed. Keep riding... Zack P.S. checked out a KLR this weekend up at Heisers and they said the KLR was one of the most stolen bikes in DC for its drug-dealing-running-away-over-hill-and - dale ability. Is this guy blowing smoke up my ass? Or should I assume that anything not tied down and bolted to 10 ton concrete block is going to get stolen? From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 13:40:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FHeCk14317 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:40:06 -0700 Message-ID: <392060AC.D3C62198@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:40:12 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Moran CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> <39202FDA.F61D181C@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Moran wrote: > > Anyway, I guess this is me standing up for the police again, which > is really strange because I really am a habitual speeder and I hate > getting pulled over as much as anyone. And, yes, I agree that > sometimes they're just pulling you over to make money for the > treasury. Yeah, I didn't start out my posts today trying to be a Police Advocate either, but they kind of took on that tone. I guess if you watch enough COPS on TV, (which could be retitled "Things NOT to say to the Police!") you see some of the kind of crap those guys have to go through on a daily basis. Try to NOT be like that, and you might get off with just a warning. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 13:58:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FHwik14668 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:58:28 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:58:28 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:58:02 -0400 Message-Id: <39203AF0.85BD79B3@trw.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:59:12 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <20000515171843.16219.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heya, Glen, The recent incident I mentioned involved a VA State Trooper. He zapped me at 68 in a 55, yelled at me a little, yelled a me a lot when I explained that I was on my way to the race track (Summit Point), and let me off. Two weeks later I got pulled over by a Loudoun County Deputy, who wrote me a ticket, then voided it when he realized that he had mistaken the speed limit on the stretch of road on which he'd radar'd me. I know that the third time is the charm and I'm not looking forward to it... Randy Glenn Dysart wrote: > ...I think I've heard of one time of someone not getting ticketed by a > VA State cop. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:04:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FI43k14765 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00982 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:03:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000515135415.00d6cd50@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:03:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Good Cop / Bad Cop Story! In-Reply-To: <392038A9.9C461B43@trw.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> <4.2.0.58.20000515131906.01b1d560@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Like I said - I agree, but I don't like it. The cop can let me off of the ticket without giving me a verbal beating. But every time I am tempted to retort, I remind myself to shut up and take it and get a lesser fine or infraction. That is a power they are holding over me that I do not appreciate. Makes me feel small. One cop had the balls to tell me that he had more MC experience than I would ever have. I asked him if he was a bike cop, and he said no. This guy had never met me before, had no idea what my life was like, was a little older than me (I am 27) and somehow felt that his weekend poker rides on the hog gave him superior knowledge of the road. For all he knew, I was Ricky weekend racer with 3 trophies and the Isle of Mann coming up. But I didn't say a God Damn Word. I copied this personal message to the list, but kept the sender's name off in case he/she didn't want it posted. >I guess I would rather the cop exercise his defacto power of judgement on >the spot >and let me out of the ticket. You are correct in the strictest sense that to >judge is not the cop's job, but I bet Mark is happier in this case that he did >"judge," and find Mark "not guilty." > >Troutman wrote: > > > I can understand what you mean, but it isn't the cop's job to pass > > judgement. That is why we have judges. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:05:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FI5lk14845 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:05:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3920669F.B58D1B5@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:05:35 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'dysart@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629F4@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > > A state cop at 211 told me....if i pull you over, we are exchanging > paperwork Sure, I'm not denying that cops like that exist. It's a sad thing that they do. Maybe I've just been extraordinarily lucky so far. If so, I sure hope it continues... :) I wouldn't mind getting the occasional ticket every now and then, but it's the damned insurance companies that really stick it too you. I've wrecked twice on a bike in 4 years, totalled one bike - my rates never went up (I wasn't renewed by GEICO, but actually got a better deal somewhere else. so that was a good thing). But let me get a speeding ticket or two, and they'll probably go nuts.... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:10:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FIAqk14870 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA04953 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e4FIA9a00704 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:10:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! In-Reply-To: <39205F88.19F1AD69@flashmail.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 May 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > As soon as I've figured out I'm gonna be pulled over, I > slow down, get in the rightmost lane (if there is one) > put on the blinker, and look for a good spot. In the case I mentioned where I got a 74/65 ticket (I was actually going 74, I didn't want to step over the 74 point and head into the next level of ticket) the cop was facing the other way with the radar gun. His lights came on as I was going by and I went ahead and pulled over as soon as it was safe. Dale, keep throwing out your ideas and I'll just keep shooting them down with practical experience. :) As for profiling, I ride bikes that look like plain old motorcycles and not tupperware sportbikes. I wear an aerostich in plain gray. I'm a white middle class male with short hair and glasses. I'm the nice guy your mom wants to have marry your sister. When talking with police I speak clearly, politely, avoid slang, etc. I wear a neutral face when dealing with the police. Outside of sporting attractive decolletage I don't see what more I can do to make a good impression. My aerostich is getting a bit worn. Perhaps I'll buy the new police stich with the word, "POLICE" on the back in reflective letters... :) > Anyway, if the ploy fails, you took a while finding your > stuff, had a nice long chat about why Kawasaki's are > better than Honda's (or whatever) So, you're assuming the cop is stupid? :) > at least the he's wasted an extra 5-10 minutes on me that he could be > using to hit the ticket quota. :) Screw that, I want to share the pain. > Now, after typing all this out, who wants to bet that I get > nailed on the ride home tonight with a reckless? :) My prayers are focused on it! :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:10:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FIAok14869 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:10:35 -0700 Message-ID: <392067D1.472D1A9D@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:10:41 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zachariah Mully CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> <39202FDA.F61D181C@trw.com> <3920366E.70F2A8AF@smartbrief.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zachariah Mully wrote: > Or should I assume that anything not tied down > and bolted to 10 ton concrete block is going to get stolen? I would bet that all other things being equal, rat bikes would tend to get stolen less. :) I guess my bike is safe. Tracy just washed hers, though. D'oh! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:19:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FIJnk15064 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wldellzdtsb) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rPSo-0004q1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:19:34 -0400 Message-ID: <00a101bfbe99$9fbe0f10$997f800a@corp.rcn.net> From: "wes" To: "'DC Cycles'" References: <39205F88.19F1AD69@flashmail.com> Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:14:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Not to mention that you're keeping him from nailing some other speeding biker...you're actually doing your brothers a service by getting pulled :) --wes > Anyway, if the ploy fails, you took a while finding your > stuff, had a nice long chat about why Kawasaki's are > better than Honda's (or whatever), and you still have to > buy a ticket to the Policeman's Ball, at least the he's > wasted an extra 5-10 minutes on me that he could be using > to hit the ticket quota. :) From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:25:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FIPPk15240 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000515182508.20047.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:25:08 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:25:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! To: Dale Horstman , Mark Kitchell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah that was a good thing, anytime anyone stops giving GEICO money I'm happy. For all of you who have GEICO remember that some of your premium goes to the MD state police to buy them LIDAR guns!!! Glenn (GEICO hater) --- Dale Horstman wrote: I've wrecked twice on a bike in 4 > years, > totalled one bike - my rates never went up (I wasn't > renewed > by GEICO, but actually got a better deal somewhere > else. so > that was a good thing). But let me get a speeding > ticket or > two, and they'll probably go nuts.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:25:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FIPmk15250 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-106.patriot.net [209.249.180.106]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04398; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:24:25 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39203FA8.11DB2C2E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:19:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Dale Horstman , Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <20000515171843.16219.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ME ME ME! Back in `83, driving my brand spanky new Z-28 Camaro with paper plates. My pals had a pool going that I'd get a tickee before I got my metal tags. Looped thru an after snow intersection covered with sand, snatched 1st (stump puller gear) and EL SPINNO *Scree-eee-ee-ee* Thru the blue tire smoke fog I see the blue lights a-flashing. A big aww sheeeiittt! The state cop looks at my permit etc, sees my age (40) and kinda gives me a head shake. "At your age you oughta know better." Well, uh... stammer stammer ... Then he hands me back my permit and sez "Reckless would kick up your insurance rate so I'm letting this slide - THIS time." Then he sez "Nice car" and walks back to cruiser. Me be sweating serious, but NO ticket. Bill. Glenn Dysart wrote: > And so do I, I do the sir bullshit, have everything > ready, etc. When I see the cop coming back with the > ticket book though and I'm signing the ticket, I > usually start running my mouth cause at that point I > know I ain't getting out of it. Some people are just > luckier then others and you must be one of them. I'll > also say that most of the time I've been pulled over > its been by VA State police and very RARELY do they > let anyone go. I think I've heard of one time of > someone not getting ticketed by a VA State cop. > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:26:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FIQfk15260 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA07043 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:26:18 -0700 Message-ID: <39206B74.DA970F4@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:26:12 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > Dale, keep throwing out your ideas and I'll just keep shooting > them down with practical experience. :) Well, I'm out of ideas... Maybe you just ARE a threat to society? :) > Outside of sporting attractive decolletage I don't see what more I > can do to make a good impression. Hmm. Put on weight, grow a beard. Don't wash the bike. You know, the only ticket I ever got, I was clean shaven, much slimmer, and NOT riding a Kawasaki. :) > > Anyway, if the ploy fails, you took a while finding your > > stuff, had a nice long chat about why Kawasaki's are > > better than Honda's (or whatever) > > So, you're assuming the cop is stupid? :) Well, that kind of goes without saying. :) > > Now, after typing all this out, who wants to bet that I get > > nailed on the ride home tonight with a reckless? :) > > My prayers are focused on it! :) Nice to know you care, Kirk! :) May all your future rides be law-enforcement free! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:31:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FIV5k15434 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA07500 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:30:07 -0700 Message-ID: <39206C5C.15914B10@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:30:04 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <20000515182508.20047.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > For all of you who have GEICO remember that some > of your premium goes to the MD state police to buy > them LIDAR guns!!! > > Glenn (GEICO hater) You know, I never got around to dumping them from the cage coverage. Cheap is cheap. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:38:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FIc1k15553 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA17539 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:37:21 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000515143705.01016f4c@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:37:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Summit Point In-Reply-To: <27.5970c0e.26516e38@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:14 AM 5/15/00 EDT, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >and even an occasional vintage two stroker like an RD350 in the >mix Ouch, that hurts. I used to race one of those when they were competitive. Does that mean I've become "vintage," too? ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:43:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FIhMk15656 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:43:24 -0700 Message-ID: <39206F83.C5C74780@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:43:31 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <20000515171843.16219.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> <39203FA8.11DB2C2E@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > The state cop looks at my permit etc, sees my age (40) > and kinda gives me a head shake. I'm grinning ear to ear trying to picture this! It's so nice to know not EVERYONE grows up as they grow older. :) Rock on, Bill! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:44:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FIiRk15676 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-106.patriot.net [209.249.180.106]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA07151; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:44:21 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39204454.A18C2B63@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:39:16 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629E2@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good job, Mark. Be a bugger bear if you was in jail end of June :-) I got off once when I truely didn't deserve it. Scene, fresh from a meeting with my kid's guidance counselor, which said to me that I had been neglecting my duties as a father etc etc. I was mad as hell at myself, and on a bike. Big mistake. Stuck behind a pack of econo-boxes at a light on Braddock. They pull away, stuttering and groaning and form a staggered pack. I wrench a handful of mad and weave around them, UJM howling, and blast up the 40 MPH limit road at warp 3. I see m/c headlights far behind me. Next mirror check they be closer. Man, those dudes are really hauling cuz I'm cooking! Then I see itty bitty blue and red lights flashing alongside their headlights. OOPS! There I am, guilty as all hell. The motor cops are walking around my bike, looking at my papers, looking at the bike. "Lotta miles - first bike?" Er... no, my... um, fifth. A nod from motor cop. "Ever been down?" Well, um... no (not on this one, I fail to mention). "You must be doing something right" He hands me back my stuff, gives me a lecture and tells me if they had been in cruiser I'd be looking at a really big ticket. "Ride safe, y'hear." Varooom, they be gone on thier Harleys and I'm sorta standing there with my jaw dropped. Maybe it was my scared look? Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Here is a good story about the boyz in blue. And since some of the more > uptight members of this list will be sure to point this out to me, yes I am > a reckless little squid sometimes!! > > Saturday, 3PM. Had returned to DC from a group ride with my AIDS Ride team. > HOT HOT HOT. Sweat was in my eyes as I turned from Walter Reed to Glebe in > Arlington, VA, just 5 mins from my house. The 4 lane road runs down about a > mile before the next major light at the 395 overpass. I got behind two cars > together, waited for a gap to open, then blasted it down the road, passing a > few cars that were in the left lane. Estiamted speed, 60+ in a 35... > > I hit the red light at Glebe and 395. A few seconds later I hear a short > siren sound, which stops. I look all over for an ambulance. The car in > front of me moves over, as do I. I head the sound again and finally look > behind me. There is an Arlington Police van. Thinking he is trying to get > by me, I move way over. He follows and I realize its my ass he wants. > > I pull into a motel parking lot cursing my luck. My helmet and coat come > off as he radios my plate in. He then jumps out screaming..."Do you know > the speed limit here." 35 I respond. He replies "Yes and how fast were you > going" Me: "I don't know but certainly over 35 (I believe a little > honesty/humility helps). > > He takes my licsense and gets back in the Van while I root around for my > registration. I bring that back to him and ask if he needs anything else, > sir? He angrily says "just sit tight and cool it" I notice the ticket book > is out........)-: > > After 5 mins he again jumps out, agressive as ever. Cop: Didn't you see me? > Me (honestly): No, I did not. Cop: You passed me like I was standing still > and I was going at least 50. Me: Sir, I am very sorry. Its hot and my eyes > were doused in sweat. I did not see you. I would never pass a police > officer like that, its disrespectful. > > Cop (his attitude changed a tiny bit): I know how it is, I ride. I have a > CBR600. But you gotta slow down. Its the other drivers, not you that I > worry about. Me: Yes sir. Him: Here is your WARNING for 35 in a 50. No > fine/no points but be careful. > > The rest of the conversation was two motorcyclists talking about bikes. I > invited him and his compardres from Moto to Bike Night 2. > > Ride Safe, > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:50:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FIoJk15834 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:50:08 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629FE@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'David Forbes'" Subject: Oil Change Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:44:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain >From www.2wf.com, the Cycle Doctor Tim T. Illinois '97, FXDWG I have never changed the oil myself and I would like to do so. Are there any special instructions I need to do this correctly? Dear Tim, Telling you how to change your own would be a bit like trying to tell you how to masturbate; if you can't figure it out for yourself, anything I say will only get you into trouble. And me. Some things you just have to figure out on your own. You're an adult. There are manuals for such things. I mean for changing oil. <<...>> From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 14:56:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FIuPk15855 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.168.51] by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQiphz18816 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:56:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@misserve0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:56:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: MARRC Report (Long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hey there boys and girls! As Brian mentioned earlier, I did succesfully complete the Mid-Atlantic Road Racing Club School this weekend. Before I get into the gory details, I would like to thank the following individuals: Randy Moran for his invaluable input, advice, assistance, and the minor contribution of a free racebike!!!! Thanks very much!! At the last minute when my clutch failed, he even offered the use of his brand new SV650 racebike so that I might complete the class! Brian Roach for letting me pit with him at Summit Point, helping my late-ass suit-up and being an all around cool guy. Rick Beggs and Fast Lane Cycles for their help in setting up the ZX and for their generous discounts! The MARRC Cornerworkers, intructors, administrators, and anyone else involved in the setting up of the class. The class went without a hitch (hailstorms excluded) and was professional, yet fun. Hats off to you guys! Thomas Jordan, my younger brother and Team Mechanic. Thanks for installing the new clutch we didn't end up needing and for doing everything I didn't know how to. Larry Poupore for his unsolicited sponsorship! (I'll pay you back Friday.) Last but not least, thanks to Michael Jordan, for being a cool and supportive Dad, and grudgingly providing garage space. Now that I've given my long-winded Emmy-style thanks, here's what happened. When I last posted Thursday night, the clutch was failing on the ZX. We took everything apart, rebuilt the clutch, and in the end it turned out the slave-cylinder was out of adjustment, or something to that effect. I'm not sure exactly what was done to fix it, but I have my brother to thank. I arrived at Summit Point at 9:23pm, and managed to squeak in with enough time to finish registering and get my bike inspected. It passed! Wow. First hurdle cleared. The next morning was unventful, save for the one guy who did a 180 on the skid-pad extension and dropped his bike. No real damage, just a bruised ego. The 'VERY-VERY slow parade lap' *ahem*, was a lot of fun. Our first trip onto the track, and conditions were great. I think Brian Summers' definition of 'VERY, VERY SLOW' must be different than the rest of ours. I managed to insinuate myself to the front of the pack for the parade lap behind Mr. Summers, and did a moderately paced lap around the track. 25 mph my ass.....heheheheheh. The mock race Saturday night was where things got interesting. Forgetting to take off my kick-stand, I scrambled to the back of group A, (the heavyweights), just in time to make the practice laps. I had the bad luck of being stuck behind the slowest man on Earth for 4 laps. Some guy on a TLR-1000 whose entry speed into every corner but 10 never let me out of first gear. I would hit 2nd a couple of times, but I was pretty much lugging the engine. The rest of the group was out of site, and an instructor road ahead of the two of us. He kept looking over his left shoulder and waving us forward. I thought at the time he was encouraging the TL rider to go faster. The instructor later told me he wanted me to pass the guy. Oh well. At any rate, one student on a late model ZX-7 lowsided in turn 1, but was ok. His bike, however, was not. On the 4th lap, we got red flagged, and pulled into the pits. 10 minutes later, all hell broke loose with high winds, rain, and hail. The mock-race was cancelled; the first time in recent memory. We were allowed, however to complete our mock race at 7:50am Sunday morning. No mock start, with one warm-up lap beforehand. Track conditions were less than optimal, being that no one else had been on the track yet, and ambient temperature was somewhere in the 60's. There was a little water on the track, but nothing serious on the racing line. I was gridded at the back of the heavyweights, and they pretty much toasted me on the straights. At one point, I was passed in turns 2 and 3 by an FZR400 and a gentleman on Danny Thompson's SV. At that point, I mentally panicked that I was getting overtaken by all of the lightweights! I did a quick head-check, saw no one else behind me, and went after him. I eventually passed him on the inside of three and remained un-crashed, un-passed, and un-lapped. Unfortunatly, CCS was a giant cluster-f!ck, and we weren't able to register for any races or get our licenses. (They put out the first call for a race without a grid having been posted!!) I intend to be at Summit for the WERA races in Mid-June. I'm thinking Vintage 6 will be a lot of fun. I can only recommend that anyone who is thinking of taking the class, take it!!! -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F (Street bike) '89 ZX-7 (Race Bike) CCS #TBA WERA #TBA From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 15:06:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FJ6Ek16119 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2365 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2000 19:06:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000515190609.2364.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:06:09 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:06:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Reckless Driving Ticket To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dysart@XXXXXX, dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > Borrow or buy a GPS unit. It shows you MPH based on > the GPS data being > received and is very accurate. And it's also a waste of time in court, even when I had a lawyer, he couldn't figure out what to do with that information. Data from the GPS would need to be coordinated with the same info from the speedometer. If you do this yourself, it's no better than 'making it up' If you have someone else do it, they would need some real credentials as an expert witness to do any good at all. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 16:03:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FK3Qk17425 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 6.d9.426d864 (3974); Mon, 15 May 2000 16:02:53 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:02:53 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point To: rmeyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/15/00 2:40:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rmeyer@XXXXXX writes: > >and even an occasional vintage two stroker like an RD350 in the > >mix > > Ouch, that hurts. I used to race one of those when they were competitive. > Does that mean I've become "vintage," too? If you look like the WERA Vintage guys who race these things at Summit on the Vintage weekends... yes. Lets just say the running joke is that the big belly is needed to rest the beer and chips on after the races :) I do have to tip my hat to you however... you (and the vintage guys) are NUTS for riding those things any faster than at a jogging pace. 1.85" front rims??? I'd hurt myself.... badly. - Roach - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 16:39:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FKd1k18150 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12rRby-0007dY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:37:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Funny funny ha ha (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Stolen from the BMW Owner's of Georgia list who stole it from the Ducati list: >I found a small reference to Squids in a Dungeons and Dragons book: >The Squid is a beast with extremely high speed and maneuverability, but >low intelligence, low hit points, low experience and low offensive >capability. The Squid is largely dismissed as an endangered species with >little danger to an average warrior. In fact, because of its high speed, >low armor and low hit probability, Squids are primarily a danger to >themselves and their mates, although Squids accidentally kill themselves at >a ratio of more than 10 to 1 over their mates. The breed is largely alive >due to a male creature called the "High School Student" which can morph into >a Squid, thereby continuing the species as Squids rarely live to reproduce. >The Squid's only serious offensive capability is the "Crash" during which >the Squid rams its opponent, primarily a creature called the "Car". >However, the Crash is almost always fatal to the Squid and rarely does more >than a few hit points of damage to the Car. Although Squids have been known >to use the Crash against a related and more vulnerable species called the >"Enthusiast", most Enthusiasts simply avoid the Squid as a defensive >maneuver. > The more serious danger to the Enthusiast is a Squid's only other >offensive capability which is a rudimentary magic spell called the "Pass" >which causes the Enthusiast to behave as a Squid for a small, but dangerous >period of time which can cause the nearly always fatal Crash. The Pass >decreases intelligence and increases speed for the duration of the spell. >Italian Enthusiasts are very vulnerable to the Pass while American and >German Enthusiasts are virtually invulnerable due to a defense called the >"Leather Jacket of Indifference". The Pass is most effective against other >Squids or Japanese Enthusiasts. However, a new breed of Enthusiast called >the "Buell" is as vulnerable as Italian Enthusiasts to the Pass. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 17:01:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4FL1bk18522 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FL1Wi30467 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:01:32 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Summit Point Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:55:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01bfbeaf$e3cd4ca0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal They have the advantage of low wind resistance? Cedric 1.85" front rims??? I'd hurt myself.... badly. - Roach - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 20:04:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4G045k21239 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000516000358.6786.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.123.67] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:03:58 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:03:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Crazy new laws. To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The AMA web page has information about new legislation they are proposing in Missouri for helmet(less) laws. Besides needing $100,000 in medical coverage, they want to require that riders take a breathalyzer tests, and wear *seat belts* G-d, save us from the politicians!! http://www.ama-cycle.org/legisltn/statewatch/mo.html Louis ===== Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA 1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 20:31:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G0Vtk21623 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-106.patriot.net [209.249.180.106]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA19501; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:31:42 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <392095BF.16C52190@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:26:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Crazy new laws. References: <20000516000358.6786.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This sounds like a torpedo amendment - one so ridiculous it's gaurenteed to kill the bill. Not uncommon in the flaky pof politics. Of course, there's always the patented "Michilin Man Suit" that blows up as soon as a rider is ejected from his/her scoot, or my fav, the parachute that yanks the rider out of harm's way and allows rider to float down into.... ACK! twisted burning wreckage? Bill Louis F. Caplan wrote: > The AMA web page has information about new legislation they are proposing in > Missouri for helmet(less) laws. Besides needing $100,000 in medical coverage, > they want to require that riders take a breathalyzer tests, and wear *seat > belts* G-d, save us from the politicians!! > > http://www.ama-cycle.org/legisltn/statewatch/mo.html > > Louis > > ===== > Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Alexandria, VA > 1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V > http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 20:40:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net [216.70.64.24]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G0eVk21713 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gt350pii (ppp-346.tnt-1.wdc.smartworld.net [216.70.71.96]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA67624; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003901bfbecf$dc3dab40$604746d8@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "James Hoofnagle" , References: <8172399.958405361324.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Subject: Re: Bike Night Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:44:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I second these sentiments. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Hoofnagle" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 11:42 AM Subject: Bike Night > Mark & Chuck, > I hope I speak for the silent majority, when I say.... Thank-You. > For all the trouble and hassle that you went through to put these nights > together. All politics aside, you did a great job in taking the initiative > that so many of us do not (myself included). > A while ago I talked to Anita and asked her why she didn't stay on > DC-Cycles. She told me that it was all the whining and flaming that annoyed > her. This is a clue folks. Be appreciative of those who contribute. > __________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you! > James > E-TKT > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 22:05:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G25ck22942 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id c.79.41cb503 (2614); Mon, 15 May 2000 22:05:23 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <79.41cb503.265206e3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:05:23 EDT Subject: Re: Big Group Ride? To: mark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 5/15/2000 10:08:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark@XXXXXX writes: << I can get hotel discounts, attraction discounts, food discounts... in other words, if I knew how many were interested, I could put together a hassle-free ride... probably sometime in late august, early september... probably meeting somewhere friday evening and ending noon Sunday.... it would be a lot of fun and on some of the best riding roads I've ever been on... What do y'all think? Mark >> I think it's a great idea. Let me know what you come up with. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 22:26:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G2Pxk23168 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 15 May 2000 22:25:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3920B13B.CC732CD1@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:23:55 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Big Group Ride? References: <000501bfbd99$40f35cc0$11f67ad1@oemcomputer> <391E9EBA.44CE654@mgfairfax.rr.com> <392009EF.BC70FA62@markandbonnie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A group of us camped out in WV one weekend last year and had a great time. Many of the best roads I've ever ridden. Sounds like a great idea to me. I'll be there unless there's a Va Tech home football game. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 mark wrote: > OK folks, seems like everyone wants a group ride.... I'm the guy who lives and > rides in west virginia... how many would be interested in a large group ride in > the mountain highlands?... I've wanted to do this for a long time... I know the > area and I publish West Virginia Outdoors Magazine. I can get hotel discounts, > attraction discounts, food discounts... in other words, if I knew how many were > interested, I could put together a hassle-free ride... probably sometime in late > august, early september... probably meeting somewhere friday evening and ending > noon Sunday.... it would be a lot of fun and on some of the best riding roads > I've ever been on... > > What do y'all think? > Mark > Elkins, WV From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 22:34:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G2YHk23296 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-24.s24.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.24] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rXBW-0000eQ-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:34:14 -0400 Message-ID: <035b01bfbedf$698e9680$186daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Anita Lauro" Cc: References: <011601bfbe16$49fae2c0$172ac897@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Trailers.. Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:35:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey Anita, Thanks, I had a great weekend, although I am pretty tired. Today I had to drive into DC for a day long workshop on AutoCAD 2000 and then I had class tonight until 10:00 so I am still struggling. Sounds like a blast... a whole week at the beach. I don't think I ever want to go to work.... actually I like my job pretty well. :) YES! I can definately direct you to someone at Shen Valley Trailers. Ask for Dana Goff and please tell him I sent you his way. He has already told me that he will offer anyone who I send to him a price that, while not a lot less, is less than normal. The trailers he has are all of excellent quality from what I can tell. The 2 weekends he has provided one to me, the trailers were excellent and really served their purpose well. (They were both single cycle trailers, but would hold 2 sport bikes for sure) Let me know how it goes and if I can do anything to help in your acquisition. (like bring it to you) Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Anita Lauro To: Danny Thompson Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 10:35 PM Subject: Trailers.. > Danny, > > Hope you had a good weekend up at Summit! Just got back in from a week at > the beach in NC.. had a great time relaxing.. don't want to go to work > tomorrow at all! :-) > > Anyhow.. I'm thinking of getting myself an ATV (got bit by the bug somewhere > along the way), and will be needing a trailer. I noticed that one of your > sponsors is Shenandoah Valley Trailers. Do you have the name of someone > there I could talk to in order to get some prices? Probably won't be > anything too fancy.. just has to haul an ATV, and maybe the GPZ in a pinch. > > Thanks!! > Anita > > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 22:35:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G2Z8k23365 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 15 May 2000 22:35:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3920B364.9A1D3D3B@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:33:08 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rides.. References: <000f01bfbe39$d79a2500$cdec9bcf@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in - let's make it a good one. Looking forward to seeing you again, Brian. Larry Meyer Annandale, Va '97 Bandit 1200 Brian McCoy wrote: > Yikes, I didn't even think last year was very good for rides as compared to > the year before that. But the list was DEAD back in '97 - I think Glenn and > I did the most number of list announced rides, and it was usually just us 2. > > In anycase.. Anita, Collin and myself are all going to be in the Sterling, > VA area over the Memorial Day weekend.. I'm getting in LATE (2am) on Friday > night/Sat. morning.. probably doing a dirt ride on Saturday, a ride with > friends on Sunday.. and then Monday is wide open. You want notification for > a group ride? Well, here it is.. yea, it's on a holiday - time to either > go riding and not complain about there not being any rides though.. *grin* > > Lets see if we can beat that 48? rider pack we had one winter ride.. I > remember sitting near the back of that looong line and looking out across > this expanse of motorcyclists and smiling.. lets do it again. > > Brian McCoy.. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 22:46:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G2ktk23521 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 15 May 2000 22:46:53 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: , , Subject: RE: Summit Point Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:47:23 -0400 Message-ID: <004701bfbee1$0fe13640$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal > > > > Ouch, that hurts. I used to race one of those when they were > competitive. > > Does that mean I've become "vintage," too? > > If you look like the WERA Vintage guys who race these things at > Summit on the > Vintage weekends... yes. Lets just say the running joke is that > the big belly > is needed to rest the beer and chips on after the races :) Well, I can say with pride that I've gotten rid of *almost* all of my extra belly in the last few years!! > > I do have to tip my hat to you however... you (and the vintage > guys) are NUTS > for riding those things any faster than at a jogging pace. 1.85" front > rims??? I'd hurt myself.... badly. Heck, it wasn't the rims that made it scary, it was the flexible flyer frames. Any more traction and the frame would have probably bent in the middle . If you *really* want to measure the size of your balls, though, find someone with an old Kawi 2 stroke triple, either the 500 or 750, and take it out for a spin. I rode one of those on the track ONCE, and I swear the engineers hid a hinge somewhere between the steering head and swingarm pivot. That bike was just Evil. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 22:46:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G2ktk23520 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 15 May 2000 22:46:52 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "Brian McCoy" , Subject: RE: Rides.. Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:47:22 -0400 Message-ID: <004601bfbee1$0f9671a0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <000f01bfbe39$d79a2500$cdec9bcf@tra> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Keep us posted on time & place. I'll be there if I can. Looking forward to meeting some more of you all. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [mailto:v4mofo@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 2:50 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Rides.. > > > Yikes, I didn't even think last year was very good for rides as > compared to > the year before that. But the list was DEAD back in '97 - I > think Glenn and > I did the most number of list announced rides, and it was usually > just us 2. > > In anycase.. Anita, Collin and myself are all going to be in the > Sterling, > VA area over the Memorial Day weekend.. I'm getting in LATE (2am) > on Friday > night/Sat. morning.. probably doing a dirt ride on Saturday, a ride with > friends on Sunday.. and then Monday is wide open. You want > notification for > a group ride? Well, here it is.. yea, it's on a holiday - time to either > go riding and not complain about there not being any rides though.. *grin* > > Lets see if we can beat that 48? rider pack we had one winter ride.. I > remember sitting near the back of that looong line and looking out across > this expanse of motorcyclists and smiling.. lets do it again. > > Brian McCoy.. > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 22:51:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G2pVk23597 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id c.b2.53980e9 (3957); Mon, 15 May 2000 22:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:51:12 EDT Subject: Re: Big Group Ride? To: mark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Hi Mark I think it's a great idea!! I will be there. Let me know what you come up with or if you need any help. RMC From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 23:07:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G37rk23801 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 15 May 2000 23:07:50 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Hyper lights Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:08:21 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01bfbee3$fd9642c0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629FE@QSI_TYSONS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal FWIW: I seem to recall some questions a while back about the flashing LED brake lights from Hyper light. Some people were wondering how visible they really are in daylight. My '92 ST1100 had a pair installed when I bought it, but since I can't follow myself I never worried about it much. Installing a pair of 15/50 watt halogen tail/brake lights recently got me wondering, though. So Sunday, I took the bike out into the street in bright daylight, parked the car half a dozen car lengths behind, and had my son squeeze the brake lever. Never fear, those suckers are bright. Every bit as bright as the 50 watt halogen brake lights they're mounted below. And the flashing is very noticeable, too. Hope someone finds this info useful. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 23:07:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G37rk23802 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 15 May 2000 23:07:51 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:08:21 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01bfbee3$fdbf75a0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629FE@QSI_TYSONS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Check out: http://www8.50megs.com/bongo/oil_change.htm It's funny, but also accurate. Should be some useful information even if you're not riding a Valkerie. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 2:45 PM > To: 'DC Cycles'; 'David Forbes' > Subject: Oil Change > > > From www.2wf.com, the Cycle Doctor > > Tim T. > Illinois > '97, FXDWG > I have never changed the oil myself and I would like to do so. > Are there any > special instructions I need to do this correctly? > Dear Tim, > Telling you how to change your own would be a bit like trying to tell you > how to masturbate; if you can't figure it out for yourself, anything I say > will only get you into trouble. And me. Some things you just have > to figure > out on your own. > You're an adult. There are manuals for such things. I mean for > changing oil. > > <<...>> > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 23:28:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G3SBk24090 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-106.patriot.net [209.249.180.106]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA03283; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:28:01 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3920BF12.7C64F006@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:22:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Meyer CC: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point References: <004701bfbee1$0fe13640$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No lie! Had one of those Kawi triples - geez, what a terror. Bill Bob Meyer wrote: > > Heck, it wasn't the rims that made it scary, it was the flexible flyer > frames. Any more traction and the frame would have probably bent in the > middle . If you *really* want to measure the size of your balls, though, > find someone with an old Kawi 2 stroke triple, either the 500 or 750, and > take it out for a spin. I rode one of those on the track ONCE, and I swear > the engineers hid a hinge somewhere between the steering head and swingarm > pivot. That bike was just Evil. > > In the wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 23:44:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G3iGk24302 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.234] (sdn-ar-002dcwashP218.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.234]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04790 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005160344.UAA04790@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:33:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit *don't try this at home* ;) I was enjoying the air a week or so ago and managed to cruise right through three stop signs in a row at about 20 mph (uh......back roads, no traffic :) ) before I even noticed the cop right behind me ... "oh sh%t" I'm thinking .... the car pulls up to me at the next intersection where there's a red light ... I look over at them and the passenger side cop (car on my left) just smiles and nods at me as they drive off ....... life is good. >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/15/00 >Date: Mon, May 15, 2000, 7:00 PM > > Cop (his attitude changed a tiny bit): I know how it is, I ride. I have a > CBR600. But you gotta slow down. Its the other drivers, not you that I > worry about. Me: Yes sir. Him: Here is your WARNING for 35 in a 50. No > fine/no points but be careful. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 15 23:48:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4G3mHk24370 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.234] (sdn-ar-002dcwashP218.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.234]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16602 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005160348.UAA16602@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:37:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! / FBI From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit you can buy FBI hats, t-shirts and sweatshirts from the sidewalk vendors near the mall in the tourist season ... :) >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/15/00 >Date: Mon, May 15, 2000, 7:00 PM > > I need a fraternal order of police hat or something (FBI?)... From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 05:01:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4G91Ok29230 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 05:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts008d08.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.237.116] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 16 May 2000 02:01:16 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: Rides.. Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 02:00:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bfbf15$3a07a060$74ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <004601bfbee1$0f9671a0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Oh.. yea, well.. it's REALLY rough right now (I'm WAY over here in Phoenix and have No clue what's really going to happen out there), but looking like everyone's 3 favorite group ride people, Collin, Anita and myself, will be at the Sterling Burger King (On Rt7, about a mile south from the intersection with 28, on the north side) sometime around 9am to leave at 9:30am for a shortish day of rides. We'll be zig-zagging our way out to Leesburg and possibly past, never to be TOO far from the metro area for those of you who'd like to go on a ride but have things to do, and people to see in the afternoon. Personally, I can ride all day, and depending on the people showing up - we might just do that.. or maybe we can cut it shortish in the afternoon and head on into someone's home (Roach?) for a BBQ/Party into the early twilight hours (they-by accounting for those who can't make the ride, but want to do a DC-Cycles party thing). Obviously, it'll be dependant on the weather (sheesh, living in Phoenix, I'm used to sunny, sunny, sunny.. day in and day out.. ;) - but SOMETHING will be done on Monday, and all of DC-Cycles is invited! (Quick, someone e-mail Squeekers!! lol) Cheers, Brian McCoy - Displaced DC person, MMI student, motorcycle Enthusiast > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@XXXXXX] > > Keep us posted on time & place. I'll be there if I can. Looking > forward to > meeting some more of you all. > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 06:15:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GAFAk00304 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 06:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12reNU-0003JL-00; Tue, 16 May 2000 06:15:04 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "mobacc" Cc: Subject: Re: Bike theft - TIP Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:19:00 GMT Message-ID: <39214408.470214254@smtp.erols.com> References: <018401bfbd09$f89a99a0$85a4fccd@micron> In-Reply-To: <018401bfbd09$f89a99a0$85a4fccd@micron> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4GAFLk00305 FWIW for those of you who use disc locks... instead of riding off to fall over, OR buying those in the way streamers that say "hey idiot your disc lock is on" Go to the dollar store and buy one of those telephone cord looking key chains. You can make that into a teather switch that also serves as a reminder that your disc lock is on. Remove the keyring. Connect the keyring to your right sleeve zipper. (as if your zipper pull was a key). At the end of the keychain (cord) is a circle, take a very small screw place it through that and screw it into the lower portion of your kill switch, making the keychain/cord a permanent part of your bike. When you ride, connect the hook portion to the keyring on your sleeve. If you should (God forbid) go down the cord should pull the switch and cut the bike off. (less spark for leaking gas and also you wouldn't want your engine running on it's side with the oil not circulating as intended). So you have a slight extra edge against crash damage. When you're done riding, You can put your disc lock on, and then connect that teather switch to your other handlebar (wrap it around) and use it to remind you that your disc lock is on. One day you'll get on the bike and say "hey why is this wrapped around her like this?" and as you start to unwrap you'll go "OH the disc lock is on, i forgot, *I* put it like this as a reminder". I speak from experience : ) I had a disc lock but I gave it to a friend. Then After reading about all these bike thefts.. I thought about it.. my bike IS good enough to steal for joyriders. So I happen to have one of those rubber coated masterlock padlocks. And what do you know.. there is a way to fit it on my front disc and it will stop at the forks. A mini disc lock. better than nothing :) Anyway I always park my bike in my backyard, beneath the window, with my rottweiller having free roam of the area, behind our 6 foot locked fence. Oh yeah, and I face the bike towards teh wall, and have the padlock positioned on the at the top of the forks so when i go to back up (on the bike) it might go only an inch before it halts. (always install yoru disc locks so the bike will only travel an inch!!!) So I definitely don't have that Pull off and wipe out problem, should I not remember it's on there. Just thought I'd pass on these tips I thought up. cheapo disc lock, reminder, and teather switch. A whole what $4 ? Not bad as a guard from joyriders, especially if where you park isn't near where a van can pull up next to your bike. Of course I am planning on getting a kyrptonite disc lock again, just waiting for another bargain. Some people give them away after they ride off and drop their bike. : ) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 06:46:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GAkAk00698 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 06:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rerY-0006De-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 May 2000 06:46:09 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: non moto - pair of puppies Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:50:05 GMT Message-ID: <39224ac8.471942999@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4GAkFk00699 Anyone in maryland have a big yard, nice family and would like two male puppies? I want them to stay together (since they come from such a small litter, and I think dogs should have dog company to play with) . I wnat to see them go to a home where there is a decent sized family and they wont' be left alone too much. They came from a little of 3 and I'm keeping their sister to keep their mother company. I would like to re-unite them on occasion. I'm just a sentamental sap . Their mother is rottweiler and their father is mutt. They are fluffy and cute though. I'm sure whoever gets them will love them. The look like they will be medium-large dogs. One is named teddy bear because he looks like one. The other looks like his twin but he's black so he was named inky. Of course inky is a small dogs name.. but oh well, he'll be a big inky. They are 10 weeks old. partially crate trained. (not a real crate just a confined area). And they generally won't have any problems, but there are occassions, so you still need to house break them. They also like to stay outside a whole lot... which suites me just fine : ) They are loving and playful, and listen well. I think they understand the "no" command already. I was thinking about selling them, to maybe insure they get a good home, but that means nothing. I was also thinking of sellign them and giving the buyer a full refund once the new parents show proof that they paid to get the puppies shots taken care of. Or maybe I'm just paranoid. I'm sure I'll find/pick out a good home for them, and I'll let them go to the new home free. That's what's important. Anyway the criteria i'm lookign for again is: 1. large fenced yard (or even medium) 2. family (so they won't be alone or couped up, hours on end) 3. willing to pay medical expenses for shots, and stuff. 4. in MD not too far from D.C. (bowie, CP, laurel, etc) if you or someone you know is interested, let me know. P.S. they hide when an aftermarket piped bike is running :) convienent for parking or pulling out :) Unlike their mother who likes to bite the exhause fumes and hop around the bike. silly dog. :) anyway they really are cute dogs. Like something you'd see in a pet store. Not some mixed half of one head body of another dog mutt :) I can probably have pictures online in a few days. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 07:08:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GB8Rk00959 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11912 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm2a-102.his.com [216.200.82.102]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA03657 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000516070237.00930850@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:02:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Summit Point In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:02 PM 5/15/00 EDT, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >I do have to tip my hat to you however... you (and the vintage guys) are NUTS >for riding those things any faster than at a jogging pace. 1.85" front >rims??? I'd hurt myself.... badly. > >- Roach Actually, I rode Glen Wangdahl's RD at Summit Point a few years ago. It was really not that bad. I siezed it, but they are fun for what they are. If you think they are all slow, you should have seen Todd Henning's RD at Daytona during the CCS Race Of Champions in '91-'93 or so. He was doing low two minute lap times! He went around my '87 TZR250 on the banking like I was standing still, just about as fast as the 600's were passing me. Anyway he won Sportsman down there for like 3-4 years in a row. Beat all the RZ's, EX's, VF's, CB's everything...by a lot. That bike was a rocket, rumored to have over 70hp. Of course Todd was really fast to. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 07:12:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GBCZk01027 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12065 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm2a-102.his.com [216.200.82.102]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA04404 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000516070744.0091ca70@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:07:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Summit Point Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:02 PM 5/15/00 EDT, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >I do have to tip my hat to you however... you (and the vintage guys) are NUTS >for riding those things any faster than at a jogging pace. 1.85" front >rims??? I'd hurt myself.... badly. > >- Roach Oh, and I helped Todd load the RD up into the van once at Louden. I doubt it weighed over 300 lbs! S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 07:27:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GBRWk01221 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08717 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29478 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA21871; Tue, 16 May 2000 06:35:18 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Oil Change Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:25:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003001bfbf29$6b0642c0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629FE@QSI_TYSONS> Sounds like you need a lesson from Sgt. Bongo! http://www8.50megs.com/bongo/oil_change.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 2:45 PM > To: 'DC Cycles'; 'David Forbes' > Subject: Oil Change > > > >From www.2wf.com, the Cycle Doctor > > Tim T. > Illinois > '97, FXDWG > I have never changed the oil myself and I would like to do so. > Are there any > special instructions I need to do this correctly? > Dear Tim, > Telling you how to change your own would be a bit like trying to tell you > how to masturbate; if you can't figure it out for yourself, anything I say > will only get you into trouble. And me. Some things you just have > to figure > out on your own. > You're an adult. There are manuals for such things. I mean for > changing oil. > > <<...>> > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 07:32:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GBWjk01294 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id a.90.4637b77 (3894); Tue, 16 May 2000 07:32:32 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <90.4637b77.26528bcf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:32:31 EDT Subject: Hit deer-fell down/Ins updateII To: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Estimate for repair of my ride is $2403.26 parts and $491.40 labor. This for a bike that is still rideable. Honda parts may be good, but they certainly are not cheap. I can only guess what a chrome cruiser or a plastic race posuer would cost. Stay tuned Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 07:47:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GBlMk01479 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-112.patriot.net [209.249.180.112]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA28732; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:47:13 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39213410.4B840647@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:42:08 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down/Ins updateII References: <90.4637b77.26528bcf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2403.26 + 491.40 = $2894.66 OUCH! Forks bent? Triple clamps twisted? Must be something other than bent handlebars. My ***chrome*** cruiser cost 7K parts and labor to put back together, but that included a new frame, every part on the front end save for the brake calipers, pipes, and a few oter downstream parts like a damaged hard bag.. Bill McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Estimate for repair of my ride is $2403.26 parts and $491.40 labor. This for > a bike that is still rideable. Honda parts may be good, but they certainly > are not cheap. I can only guess what a chrome cruiser or a plastic race > posuer would cost. Stay tuned > > Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 08:13:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GCDFk01810 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rgDp-0002nT-00; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:13:13 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:17:09 GMT Message-ID: <392364e3.478626949@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629E2@QSI_TYSONS> In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629E2@QSI_TYSONS> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4GCDNk01811 A friend of mine has a similiar story.. he's riding with a friend.. they get off the beltway I think.. notice a cop is behind them or something.. So the 2nd rider (not my friend) tells him don't turn near his house or something.. cop goes to pull them over.. 2nd guy runs.. my friend pulls over. cop gives him an earful about his riding.. he had popped 2 small wheelies and didn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign, didnt' rush through it, but did kinda blow it off. So anyway my friend is feeling terrible from this earful he's getting, and he's holding 12 points worth of tickets, oh yeah i think maybe some speeding too i'm not sure.. so anyway.. the cop from conversation or whatever asks if he's married, kids, etc.. and he says no he doesnt' have any kids but he is married.. so the cop snatches the tickets out of his hand, and says something like "man go home to your wife and have some kids.. and since i'm taking these tickets back, you owe me big.. here is the favor you can do for me, stop riding like an asshole!" And he let my friend go.. I think my friend said he had to do an underwear check from the whole ordeal. I can't recall what the results were, but i don't think they were pleasant haha. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 08:36:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GCajk02381 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rgaV-0000Jd-00; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:36:40 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: Kirk Roy , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:40:35 GMT Message-ID: <3924674b.479243129@smtp.erols.com> References: <39205F88.19F1AD69@flashmail.com> In-Reply-To: <39205F88.19F1AD69@flashmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4GCaxk02382 LoL.. Horkster is a smooth one isn't he... hmm i don't think my leathers got me out of my ticket so much as pulling over quickly. I think it's very important to pull over ASAP. don't give them any time to assume you're gettting ready to run. As far as cops being motorhead.. the other night a friend and I decide to escort a semi-new rider home to Fredrick. We say before we leave that we dont' want to speed. So we get past the 495/95 split.. and the new rider has to get on it.. So we take a quick blast around that slight bend and partially down the straight away. then we get off the gas, get over a lane, and go back to a reasonable pace.. I can only guess we were doing about 80 since my batteries went dead in my pgs unit. (nothing special). Anyway... we are cruising along.. when all of a sudden.. I see in my mirror a car approaching fast in the far left lane. So I'm thinking it's a cager who just wants to play, show off, ride squidly whatever. This car is really FLYING.. when all of a sudden WHOOOM.. the car really zooms by.. i mean FAST... and it was a state police car crown victorian model. IT looked like it was doing it's top speed, whatever that was.. like 130 mph? It didn't have lights on or anything, but the roads were unusually quiet that night. it was lovely. it was that night of that boxing match, and kind of late. I never saw 95/495 so empty and lovely. Anyway seeing that cop car move like that.. oh it took the exit or soemthing... anyway seeing it move like that.. I wondered if he was just out having a blast. no sirens were on. But anyway.. I definitely didn't want to speed after that! And run from the police? I can't imagine running from THAT. That car was MOVIN'. I wondered did he reallly need to be somewhere.. without his sirens on at that rate of speed. or was he just out blasting around like we sometimes do. Or was he trying to find us and didn't realise he passed us? who knows.. but he took the exit. And that long fredrick ride was fun.. we didn't hit top end but we covered a lot of ground fast. even tho were supposed to be riding at a reasonable pace. Anyway after we dropped her off, we rode home like good little boys... with the exception of some of those curves around the mormon temple area.. Did I mention 495 was EMPTY? It was lovely, the beltway looked like the freshly laid pure snow. 2 bikes, 3 or 4 lanes... it was sooo nice. : ) I think it was like 2 or 3 a.m by that time. we got home about 4 i think. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 08:47:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GCkxk02633 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rgkS-00029N-00; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:46:57 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Randy Moran Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:50:52 GMT Message-ID: <39256db5.480884964@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> <39202FDA.F61D181C@trw.com> In-Reply-To: <39202FDA.F61D181C@trw.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4GCl2k02636 |>at me, and it kind of surprised me at the time; then I thought about it. I |>wondered how many times a week that cop must view the results of a deadly |>accident that might have been avoided had the driver in question been paying |>attention, or not speeding. How often do you have to see that kind of thing? |>Have you ever? Imagine seeing it all the time. Hmmm I think the next time I get pulled over (hopefully not in 10 years but now i'm jinxed right?) anyway I'll tearily eyed apologize to the officer and sincerely say i'm sorry and that I must make his job tough from him seeing people like me splattered all over the road... maybe he'll think i'm not such a bad guy and give me a warning . Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 08:52:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GCqMk02843 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rgpc-00039l-00; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:52:17 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Zachariah Mully Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:56:12 GMT Message-ID: <39276edb.481179094@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> <39202FDA.F61D181C@trw.com> <3920366E.70F2A8AF@smartbrief.com> In-Reply-To: <3920366E.70F2A8AF@smartbrief.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4GCqOk02844 |>more visible to cagers, but every time I have had one on and gotten |>stopped, I have _never_ been ticketed. hey kirt you should test that theory. we can see who's right. hehe. |>P.S. checked out a KLR this weekend up at Heisers and they said the KLR |>was one of the most stolen bikes in DC for its |>drug-dealing-running-away-over-hill-and - dale ability. Is this guy |>blowing smoke up my ass? Or should I assume that anything not tied down |>and bolted to 10 ton concrete block is going to get stolen? How many times do you see drug dealers making transactions on dirtbikes? He's blowing smoke up your ass as to why...but he could be honest about them getting stolen. People steal bikes because they are fun. If you have a fun (or expensive) bike, Lock it down! How many harleys get stolen btw? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 08:57:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GCvUk02951 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-122.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FUN00HB4LADX2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:57:28 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <392145B7.DDD041EF@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> <39202FDA.F61D181C@XXXXXX> <39256db5.480884964@XXXXXX> That's a great idea, Daniel! You go ahead and do that and let us know how it turns out. Randy daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > |>at me, and it kind of surprised me at the time; then I thought about it. I > |>wondered how many times a week that cop must view the results of a deadly > |>accident that might have been avoided had the driver in question been paying > |>attention, or not speeding. How often do you have to see that kind of thing? > |>Have you ever? Imagine seeing it all the time. > > Hmmm I think the next time I get pulled over (hopefully not in 10 > years but now i'm jinxed right?) anyway I'll tearily eyed apologize to > the officer and sincerely say i'm sorry and that I must make his job > tough from him seeing people like me splattered all over the road... > maybe he'll think i'm not such a bad guy and give me a warning . > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 08:58:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GCwYk02961 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rgvf-0004X9-00; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:58:32 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:02:27 GMT Message-ID: <392870ce.481678529@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629E2@QSI_TYSONS> <39204454.A18C2B63@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <39204454.A18C2B63@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4GCwZk02962 |>dropped. Maybe it was my scared look? scared does it! I know of a couple of other stories where the person is scared.. and they walk. Those who seem calm get their tickets.. now they know why.. they don't seem scared. Daniel "it's not just a ticket it's the end of the world" From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 10:01:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GE1Bk03914 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rhuG-0002Sg-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:01:08 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001bfbf3e$0ea316b0$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <90.4637b77.26528bcf@aol.com> <39213410.4B840647@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down/Ins updateII Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:53:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I've noticed that bikes aren't as cost effective as I used to think they were... When I had my MINOR 30 mph lowside, aside from cosmetic damage and such, the bike would've been rideable with the exception being torqued forks... it was over $4000 in repairs... ah well...it's worth it anyways, I love my F4 Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Cc: ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 7:42 AM Subject: Re: Hit deer-fell down/Ins updateII > 2403.26 + 491.40 = $2894.66 OUCH! Forks bent? Triple clamps twisted? Must > be something other than bent handlebars. > > > My ***chrome*** cruiser cost 7K parts and labor to put back together, but that > included a new frame, every part on the front end save for the brake calipers, > pipes, and a few oter downstream parts like a damaged hard bag.. > > Bill > > > McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Estimate for repair of my ride is $2403.26 parts and $491.40 labor. This for > > a bike that is still rideable. Honda parts may be good, but they certainly > > are not cheap. I can only guess what a chrome cruiser or a plastic race > > posuer would cost. Stay tuned > > > > Bob McKeithen > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 10:04:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from zaphod.smartbrief.com (IDENT:qmailr@[216.200.101.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4GE4Yk03924 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21185 invoked from network); 16 May 2000 12:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smartbrief.com) (216.200.101.98) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 16 May 2000 12:59:54 -0000 Message-ID: <392155BF.829011FD@smartbrief.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:05:51 -0400 From: Zachariah Mully Organization: SmartBrief.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <39205F88.19F1AD69@flashmail.com> <3924674b.479243129@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All- Does anyone know if cops have to obey the speed limit in the fine DC metro area? If I remember from Massachusetts, the cops are only allowed to speed (especially if it requires going 130mph) if there is some condition 2 or 3 incident. I can't remember what the 2 and 3 distinguished, but they were probably something like 2=free donuts at Dunkin' Donuts 3=free coffee AND free donuts ;) But really, I remember reading the ordinances/laws stating that for a cop to speed like that lights and sirens HAD to be on and the situation he was responding to HAD to be the most catastrophic thing possible. Same thing for NH... I remember a story about a cop pulling someone over after they had been following him going 75mph. Because he didn't have his lights on and wasn't responding to a situation, he was violating the law. I don't remember if that ever held up in court, but there was a great big fuss about it. Any lawyers on the list? I would definitely be interested in hearing how much freedom we've given our LEO's to abuse in the name of the "law" and "zero tolerance" and "the war on drugs". Zack > ride squidly whatever. This car is really FLYING.. when all of a > sudden WHOOOM.. the car really zooms by.. i mean FAST... and it was a > state police car crown victorian model. IT looked like it was doing > it's top speed, whatever that was.. like 130 mph? It didn't have > lights on or anything, but the roads were unusually quiet that night. > it was lovely. > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 10:16:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GEGPk04274 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12ri7H-0001RM-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:14:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:16:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike theft - TIP In-Reply-To: <39214408.470214254@smtp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 May 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > FWIW for those of you who use disc locks... > > instead of riding off to fall over, OR buying those in the way > streamers that say "hey idiot your disc lock is on" > > Go to the dollar store and buy one of those telephone cord looking key > chains. You can make that into a teather switch that also serves as a > reminder that your disc lock is on. > I use a shoestring. Put the disc lock key on the shoestring. When not in use the shoestring is attached to the disc lock. When I put the disclock on the bike I put the shoestring on my keychain. Hard to forget you got the disc lock on when you got a key hanging from a shoestring attached to your keychain. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 10:21:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GELck04342 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:21:34 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:21:33 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:21:29 -0400 Message-Id: <392159B4.25269C6A@trw.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:22:44 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zachariah Mully CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! References: <39205F88.19F1AD69@XXXXXX> <3924674b.479243129@XXXXXX> <392155BF.829011FD@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My neighbor/friend, a Leesburg police officer, told me that police are required to obey all traffic laws unless they are responding to an emergency or are engaged in pursuit. He told me of a recent incident in which one of his fellow Leesburg LEOs was pulled over for speeding in Fairfax Co. while in a Leesburg police cruiser (he was taking it to be repaired or something, I forget the details). I would have loved to see that one. I'm not sure of the "war on drugs" part. Probably they're not allowed to smoke weed or crack? Randy Zachariah Mully wrote, in part: > ...Does anyone know if cops have to obey the speed limit in the fine DC metro > area? > > ...I would definitely be interested in hearing how much freedom we've given > our LEO's to abuse in the name of the "law" and "zero tolerance" and "the war > on drugs". From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 10:25:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GEPPk04375 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA11538 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:24:54 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000516102317.006aee28@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:23:17 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! In-Reply-To: <392155BF.829011FD@smartbrief.com> References: <39205F88.19F1AD69@XXXXXX> <3924674b.479243129@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:05 AM 5/16/00 -0400, Zachariah Mully wrote: >But really, I remember reading the ordinances/laws stating that for a >cop to speed like that lights and sirens HAD to be on and the situation >he was responding to HAD to be the most catastrophic thing possible. >Same thing for NH... There may be some rules, but cops can certainly exceed the speed limit when pacing you to determine your speed. Even if it were true, who's going to enforce it? ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 10:34:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GEYCk04511 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA07828; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011d01bfbf43$e4369680$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: My first race weekend, long Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:34:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well I had my first race weekend at Summit Point and to say that it was a blast is an understatement! I had a great time, everyone was very helpful and patient with me. Thanks to Jeff Ozman, Brian Roach, Steve Clark, Steve Keener, Mike Parr, Pete Friedman, Romeo, Randy and anyone whose name I forgot, for your help and encouragement (order is random). Also thanks to Chris Weaver for his help and encouragement in the pits on Saturday. I am very thankful for the chance to race and for the limited ability I have. As I think back on the weekend, much of it is a blur. It was filled with hectic, hurry-up and wait time and then nothing...wait for the next practice or next race, hang out with friends then go like a madman until the checkered flag. I missed my first practice session as I was in the first group and tech was forever long, but was able to get a good practice session in on the 2nd one. I guess I did alright, at least I am happy with my racing and others were so good about encouraging and congratulating me. My first race ever was on Saturday in the 30 min. "endurance" race (man I never know 30 minutes could be so long). I ended up 9th out of 30 riders. 3 riders lapped me, Brian Roach (who won this race and had several really good finishes, CONGRATS TO HIM!) was one of them, but when they went by it gave me a little incentive to try to keep up a bit which really helped my lap times. I turned 2- 32's and 2- 31's on my last 4 laps! I am glad this was my first race as it gave me a chance to get 16 good laps in and not feel like it was all out "b*lls to the walls" like a sprint race. I was girdded at the front of the 2nd wave and got the hole shot (people said my name was on the PA:)) and by the end of corner 2 I was getting into eye shot of the first wave. Again, I am glad that for my first race start I was on the front of a wave and that I got a good start because I think that going into turn 1 in a lot of traffic is probably what I am most afraid of, of course by the end of the day Sunday I was feeling a little better about it. Saturday night Jeff Ozman and his buddies and I walked the course and Jeff showed me some lines and gave me some really helpful pointers, invaluable advice from someone with experience. On Sunday I was able to get my practice in and Steve Clark led me around the course a couple of laps which was also really helpful as I was still (am still) having problems through the carousel, but time will help that. The 2nd lap of practice I had a major pucker as I was following Steve into turn 1 and was really focusing on his breaking point and line, when all of the sudden I realized that I was in the middle of a group of people all of which were breaking much sooner and faster than I was. I locked the rear a couple of times and really had to work the front hard. This was the only time I have used the rear break into turn one. Anyway it definitely was 'interesting', but a good learning experience. I know now that if I need to I can go into turn 1 a lot hotter and break a lot harder and still make the turn. Right now I am really worried about my lines and trying to be smooth, breaking will come later, I hope. First race on Sunday was lightweight superbike. I was gridded on row 14 4th rider which is the outside grid position of that row, about 4 rows behind the front of the 2nd wave I think. We had a long delay and that just helped the butterflies grow inside me. Jeff O. again came to my rescue with a little water and some encouragement while we waited out the delay. On the start I got off ok, but saw the track running out in front of me as the person in front of me drifted right a bit, I slowed down and went inside out of necessity and next thing I know I am coming into turn 1 with a pack of people all around. I take the tight inside line and manage to hold it, so I was going kind of slow through that corner, but I was still up and everyone around me was still up so on we went. The 5 laps flew by and by the white flag I had passed 1 expert (on a 125) and had another in my sights. The first 8 amateurs left me in their dust. I finished 9th out of the amateur ranks, no idea overall. I was not able to get around the 2nd expert, but made a mental note of his leathers and number and vowed that I would get him next time. In the 2nd race, lightweight GP, I again was gridded on row 14, 3rd rider this time, and got a decent start. I really wanted to push this race since I knew by the next one I would be really tired. I ran in the 32's or less and even had a lap at 1:29.6! I ended up 8th in this race which was my goal to do better than the race before. Also, I caught and passed the "2nd expert" from the previous race which really made me feel good. By the 3rd race I felt pretty tired, but was determined to keep doing my best and try to finish one place higher. I was gridded on row 13, 2nd rider and got a pretty good start which put me in front of the row ahead of me. This race was a good one for me because on the 2nd lap, I passed 2 better riders on braking into turn 1, but I was on the inside, I was not able to hold my line, and drifted wide which gave both of the riders a good laugh I am sure as they drove out of the turn away from me, back in front. I watched them go and tried to keep up, but it was obvious they were having nothing to do with me anymore. I had an exciting final lap, as I exited turn 2, I looked over my shoulder to see another rider right on my butt. I put my head down determined to not let him get by. I remembered that he had pulled past me at the end of the straight a lap back so I was afraid that coming out of 9 or 10 he might get me. I got good drive out of 9, and was flying into 10, but I heard him off my outside shoulder. I took turn 10 fast and a little wide, which made him have to hold up just enough for me to get to the checkered flag ahead of him and in 7th place! I asked him after the race if I cut him off and he said, "No, that I took a good line that caused him to have to adjust. That he guessed wrong hoping he could get me on the outside coming out of 10 and that I did a good job." This made me feel really good and topped off a great weekend! Again thanks to everyone for their help and encouragement! I'm really looking forward to the next race and hope to see everybody out there again June 10th -11th! Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA www.onewayracing.org WERA Ameture # 903 Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 11:12:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4GFCbk05430 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1169 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2000 15:12:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516151234.1168.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:12:33 PDT Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! To: Zachariah Mully Cc: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Zachariah Mully wrote: > All- > Does anyone know if cops have to obey the speed > limit . . . Of course they do. The law applies equally to everyone. But we also know that many computer professionals don't buy software. Different jobs have different perks. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 11:27:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GFRJk05674 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04406 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:27:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Disk Lock Tip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since you're allposting your reminders, here's mine... Take a 35mm film canister cut cut it short enough so that it is convenient when inverted and put over the key cylinder. Cut a hole in the side of so that the disk lock fits through it when not use. Store the canister on the disk lock. When you use the disk lock, you have to remove the canister and place it over the key hole. When you come back ot the bike and try to put the key in, you can't because there's a film canister over it. Remove the disk lock and put tha canister back on the lock. I read this several years ago on the net somewhere. It's cheap, easy and infallible. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 12:32:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GGW0k06710 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17952 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:30:38 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000516122832.0101a1a0@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:28:32 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Disk Lock Tip In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:27 AM 5/16/00 -0400, Morris Berman wrote: >I read this several years ago on the net somewhere. It's cheap, easy and >infallible. In fallible? Nah! I've ridden with a number of people who could be oblivious enough to pick up the film can, put it in their pocket, and then forget all about it . ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 13:06:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GH6ik07750 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14034 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:06:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Disk Lock Tip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Infallible, only if the instructions are followed..which means that the canister is either always onthe lock or on the ignition. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 13:25:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GHPEk07965 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.237]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13046; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3921AFA6.4EFF86C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:29:26 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Thompson CC: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: My first race weekend, long References: <011d01bfbf43$e4369680$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danny, You go! Congrats on your first weekend of racing. Sorry I couldn't be there to watch, but hope you know I was pulling for you. Cheers, Chuck Danny Thompson wrote : > > Well I had my first race weekend at Summit Point and to say that it was a > blast is an understatement! From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 13:47:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GHlTk08346 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.48] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP064.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.48]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18971 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005161747.KAA18971@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:36:23 -0400 Subject: excellent advice :) From: "Marcy" To: DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit below is a self-descibed rant from someone on my CB-1 list ... WELL worth reading I think. ===================================== Discaimer: This is me ranting. I believe there are some things said here that people can learn from, if you disagree with what I have to say, please comment! I suppose this is relevant to all biking type people, but seeing that I am a VFR man now, you guys get the fruits of my painfully gained wisdom. I have spent a lot of time muttering about my accidents over the months that followed, and have been spurred into posted my conclusions after FINALLY getting the left side of my 94 VFR750F sorted out after having a black? (what where they thinking) panel delivered twice. Bike is now whole. Yipee. First Accident: Kawasaki ZX4 (ZZ400 in US), first bike, one month riding. Buddy was giving babe a lift next to me at traffic lights, I shot off like bat out of hell (impressing the chick remember...), come round corner... hmm that car looks like it's going to pull out in front of me, start slacking off from 100kph+, car pulls out and sits in middle of road waiting to turn. Arg. Brakes on waaaay too hard, front wheel does funny skippy thing, thud. Bike bounces off car, then two parked cars and pole. Destroyed. Neil goes for nice little 20m+ slide stopping with SHOEI XVR helmet bouncing off bastard cars door. Result: Bike = totalled. Me = Broken wrist, serious road rash (jeans suck) and couldn't move very well for 2 days. Leather jacket looked like new still, jeans shredded and shoes destroyed. Threw helmet away. Second Accident: VFR750FR, 5 bloody days old. Take off from light, going speed limit 60kph, 9pm dark. Bakkie/pick-up truck at side of road decides now is a good time to do a U-turn from his parked position on my side of the road. No lights, no indicators, just fires up and does a uyi. Me - o fuck. Realise I can still go around idiot on left (we drive on left) as he will soon be on the side of road he wants to be on. Start turning, damn fool suddenly opens his eyeballs and sees me coming and decides to stop in the middle of the road. Now there is nowhere to go - a n d I d e c i d e t o B R A K E , while leaned over. Brilliant. Bike goes thud, fool in car sees a sparking red monster heading for him and burns rubber getting the fuck out of there. 2 large black streaks on the road where he wheelspinned gaining escape velocity. Never to be seen again. Result: Bike = Left side molten away, clutch snapped off, pegs scraped, handle weight scraped, cracked fairing all over. R15000 ($2500) damage. Me = sore knees, bounced all of 3m. Now for the gained knowledge bit. I am now 23 decrepid years of age. I am a father of a gorgeous little 3 year old baby girl. Divorced. After my first accident I went around saying "That bastard pulled out in front of me, there was some shit on the road (night dew and oil) and when I braked hard the front slipped out." Second accident was even more obviously the other guys fault. Here is what really happened. My first accident I was going too fast. Even though I predicted the fool was going to pull out in front of me and began evasive manouevers, if the road surface was 100% I would most likely have stopped before hitting him. But that would have been some HEAVY braking happening there. For that particular busy urban road with lots of intersections, I was going much too fast. The accident was completely my fault. That's right, MY fault. Not the chap who pulled out in front of me. My second accident was again my fault. I had the bike for 5 days, I had already nearly crunched the thing in the driveway screwing up with the centrestand, I actually physically jumped over my bike that was falling over and caught the thing 20cm from the ground. My back hurt something terrible, but no scratches. What this should have told me was that I was not used to the balance of the bike yet, which was to take me another couple of months to get 100% used to. When I braked while turning I dropped her simply because I was not used to how she was going to react. I have subsequently been on a race track with her entering a corner at 160kph and having to brake rather hard because of the guy in front of me doing something silly. No problem. Finally the moral to my rant. Before anybody starts riding a bike they should have one very important character trait. Self Control. Just out today I avoided 5 potential crunches through self control. I approached a really cool flat straight with a lovely little corner that was just itching to be carved at 120kph+, but there where driveways and a blind corner. So I kept at 50, wadayaknow, some guys pops right out in front of me without even slowing down. Through thinking, and self control I avoided some serious pain. When in urban areas always always travel UNDER the recommended speed limit. Look at those intersections/driveways etc. and be prepared for the worst. When passing people exercise the overcautious nature. Never presume anything. Pushing your bike should be left for freeways and secluding canyons. If you feel like whacking open a quick 0-100 in 4 seconds flat leave that for an area where cars are behind you, full visibility in front and no intersections. Keep a large following distance from the car in front of you, and maintain it when you stop. I highly recommend when all traffic has stopped at a light to wind your way to the front, and when she goes green check left and right before moving off. Just chill completely when you mount your monster. If you are agro or you let other road users get you agro you are going to convert those feelings of hostily/testosterine to your right wrist. Next thing you know you are a shplotch on the tarmack. I cannot stress utilising your self control to engage brain before taking action enough. DO IT! >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 13:49:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GHnnk08356 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wldellzdtsb) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rlTY-0003Q9-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:49:48 -0400 Message-ID: <015901bfbf5e$97734c10$997f800a@corp.rcn.net> From: "wes" To: "'DC Cycles'" References: Subject: Re: Disk Lock Tip Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:45:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I don't mean to sound like an a$$hole, but if you use a disc lock, wouldn't it be easier to just remember that you use a disc lock instead of some kind of visual reminder? I always use mine no matter where I go and after the first two or three times I forgot it, I stopped forgetting it was on there. Just my lame-a$$ two cents. --wes From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 13:54:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GHsUk08446 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rlXt-0004h4-00; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:54:17 -0400 Message-ID: <01af01bfbf5e$be90e0a0$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "wes" , "'DC Cycles'" References: <015901bfbf5e$97734c10$997f800a@corp.rcn.net> Subject: Re: Disk Lock Tip Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:47:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 methinks that they have screwed up their calipers in the past... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: wes To: 'DC Cycles' Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Disk Lock Tip > I don't mean to sound like an a$$hole, but if you use a disc lock, wouldn't > it be easier to just remember that you use a disc lock instead of some kind > of visual reminder? I always use mine no matter where I go and after the > first two or three times I forgot it, I stopped forgetting it was on there. > > Just my lame-a$$ two cents. > > --wes > > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 14:29:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GITVk08953 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12rm4e-0002OH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:28:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:29:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Disk Lock Tip In-Reply-To: <015901bfbf5e$97734c10$997f800a@corp.rcn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 May 2000, wes wrote: > I don't mean to sound like an a$$hole, but if you use a disc lock, wouldn't > it be easier to just remember that you use a disc lock instead of some kind > of visual reminder? I always use mine no matter where I go and after the > first two or three times I forgot it, I stopped forgetting it was on there. > > Just my lame-a$$ two cents. > > --wes Admittedly traumatic events can be hard to forget. But, shoelaces are significantly cheaper then rotors and you'll sleep better at night. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 15:00:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GJ04k09493 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25861; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39219AC7.9E464A63@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:00:24 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." , Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , "LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX" , SuzukiBikes-L , Suzuki-l , Katana-L Subject: Maryland's 1st SOC-USA Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thing's went great last night. A real good foundation has been poured for the Suzuki Owners Club USA, Maryland. Turnout was light, but even better than I expected, especially for such an out of the way location. (well, I had to start somewhere.) ; ) Despite the remodeling going on in the room, we got a lot done! The high points of which are, we're working on setting up our own Suzuki Owners Club, Maryland, web site. We'll be doing a SOC-Md ride to D.C., for Rolling Thunder XIII ride with 250,000 other motorcycle's headed to the Viet Nam Memorial, that's on Mat 29th. We'll be well represented. We're having a SOC-USA flag made up to fly behind Ron Kostin's 1500 Suzuki Intruder. In June, were planning a trip to Havre de Grace, for their Blues Festival. That will be fun. A long ride, (to some) great music, food, beer, wine, museum tours and wine tasting seminars. Interest was expressed that we go to the Motocross races at Budds Creek. It was getting late, so we'll decide the date at our next meeting on June 12th. Everyone will want to be there. Eric Hess, the National Director of the Suzuki Owners Club USA will be there, from all the way from Colorado! We'll post the location as soon as a new location, closer to Baltimore is confirmed. Hope to see you there! Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org Join SOC Md's e-mail list at: http://www.egrougs.com/group/SOCMd From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 15:55:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4GJt4k10318 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rnQj-0004i4-00; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:55:02 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Route 211 and wrenching Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:58:55 GMT Message-ID: <3923d25b.506655144@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000511172745.28255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> <391c1a89.66314869@smtp.erols.com> <391B1E87.C2CFCE2D@flashmail.com> In-Reply-To: <391B1E87.C2CFCE2D@flashmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4GJtAk10319 |>a response, guage your level of humor, moto experience, etc. etc. in other words i'm annoying |>That, and that whole "I'm the Man" thing probably did |>offend some of the more testosterone afflicted around here. :) And some people didn't like the compettition Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 15:59:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4GJxFk10447 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 May 2000 22:57:36 UT Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:57 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Fwd:Re:FOR SALE - MOTORCYCLE Message-ID: <20000516160023222-3cb460fd@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm posting this for a friend here at Fannie Mae... please reply to the number below... not me. I know nothing of the bike's condition. Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Forward Header_____________________ Subject: Re:FOR SALE - MOTORCYCLE Author: Latifa Khan Date: 05/16/2000 3:41 PM Tom here is the ad. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: FOR SALE - MOTORCYCLE Author: MKhan@XXXXXX (Khan; Mohammed J.) Date: 04/26/2000 4:41 PM Please put this on your emplyee exchange distribution. 1992 Suzuki GS500E * All Original w/only 10k miles * Sport Fairing * New Tires * New Brakes * Garage Kept, Excellent Condition! $2,150/obo call (301) 504-0508 x1302 ---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes --------------------------- From: Latifa Khan Date: 5/16/00 3:41PM To: Tom Zell Subject: Re:FOR SALE - MOTORCYCLE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 16 22:27:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4H2RLk16885 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.39.52799c4 (4261) for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:27:08 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39.52799c4.26535d7c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:27:08 EDT Subject: Riding, Racing and Bikenite To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Memorial Day: Count me in along with 3 or 4 Friends:-) Racing: Danny, you were great! I had a lot of fun watching you race when I could and listening when I didn't have time to watch. Hearing them shout your name with a holeshot launch and leave the second wave behind was fantastic. You'll be at the front in no time. Bikenite: Chuck and Mark, you guys do a great job. Keep it up. I for one like the idea of showing vendors that we as a whole are familar with and unhappy with their business practices. The fact that we discuss it on a regular basis would have to be some kind of a wake up call. my two cents jeff no 748 tzr being restored yzf being repaired 900 sp very lonely From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 01:27:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3106.mail.yahoo.com (web3106.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4H5Rpk19578 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000517052744.7375.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.208.121] by web3106.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:27:44 PDT Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan S. McClune" Subject: Re: Hyper lights To: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have seen, going from memory, a Triumph were when the brakes were applied the main brake light blinked very fast, slower, slower, until solid. It took maybe 1.5-2 seconds for it to go solid so even in traffic it was mostly solid. This was _very_ eye catching and I was wondering if A) anyone has seen this B) was it a custom modification. --- Bob Meyer wrote: > FWIW: > > I seem to recall some questions a while back about > the flashing LED brake > lights from Hyper light. Some people were wondering > how visible they really > are in daylight. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 06:27:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HARHk24083 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 06:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-57-1.s1.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.57.1] helo=erols.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12s12o-0004BY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 May 2000 06:27:14 -0400 Message-ID: <392273BA.B959583D@erols.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:26:03 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: '94-up Kawasaki EX500/Ninja 500 Wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking for a '94-or later model Kawasaki EX500 (Ninja 500) for a backup racebike. Prefer either a lightly scuffed low-mileage street bike or a prepped but still mostly stock racebike with < one season of racing on it. Please e-mail me at tomorrow@XXXXXX if you have something that might fit the bill, or if you know of someone who might be selling such a bike. Thanks, Tim Morrow From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 06:44:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HAitk24273 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 06:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norc (dyn45.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.168.110]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id GAA31881 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 06:44:52 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000517064451.00952d60@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:44:51 -0400 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Hyper lights In-Reply-To: <20000517052744.7375.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Ryan, That sounds like the tailBlazer from http://www.kisantech.com The tailBlazer causes the tail and brake lights to flash. The rate decreases exponentially over a 4 second period. Andrew At 10:27 PM 5/16/00 -0700, you wrote: >I have seen, going from memory, a Triumph >were when the brakes were applied the main >brake light blinked very fast, slower, slower, >until solid. It took maybe 1.5-2 seconds for >it to go solid so even in traffic it was >mostly solid. > >This was _very_ eye catching and I was wondering >if A) anyone has seen this B) was it a custom >modification. ¤ş°`°ş¤ř,¸¸,ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř,¸¸,ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř,¸¸,ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř,¸ J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 07:45:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HBj2k25130 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA20798 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA21321 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA02543 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 06:53:15 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point Photos from Sunday Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:32:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01bfbff3$9bb43560$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Main Album http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=107565 Summit Point 5-14-00 Album #1 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=6213371 Summit Point 5-14-00 Album #2 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=6311107 Summit Point 5-14-00 Album #3 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=6311111 Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 07:52:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HBq8k25216 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12s2Mw-0001L5-00; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:52:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004301bfbff6$5ba6c7a0$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Hyper lights and other fun motorcycle gizmos... Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:52:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 they have a remote tire pressure monitor too....that is BAD ASS! I want one. Too bad they cost $250 and you probably need to rebalance your tires after installing. Kirt http://www.kisantech.com From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 09:12:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ilfb.org (ilfb.org [205.139.243.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HDCnk26552 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alanjarand [206.25.109.11] by ilfb.org (SMTPD32-6.00) id AAC4EE6200EE; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:12:36 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Alan Jarand" To: "'Steven C. Di Pietro'" , "'Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List'" , "'Suzuki Owners Club Md.'" , "'Balt-Cycles-l'" , "'D.C.Cycles-L'" , , "'SuzukiBikes-L'" , "'Suzuki-l'" , "'Katana-L'" Subject: RE: [Suzuki-bikes] Maryland's 1st SOC-USA Meeting Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:11:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000501bfc001$5d640700$1cd4a8c0@ilfb.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39219AC7.9E464A63@peabody.jhu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Steve: Sounds great. Now all you need is an organized caravan to BadgerFest, picking up riders along the way in each state you pass through!!!!! Alan J. GS850G -----Original Message----- From: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX [mailto:suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of Steven C. Di Pietro Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 2:00 PM To: Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List; Suzuki Owners Club Md.; Balt-Cycles-l; D.C.Cycles-L; LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX; SuzukiBikes-L; Suzuki-l; Katana-L Subject: [Suzuki-bikes] Maryland's 1st SOC-USA Meeting Thing's went great last night. A real good foundation has been poured for the Suzuki Owners Club USA, Maryland. Turnout was light, but even better than I expected, especially for such an out of the way location. (well, I had to start somewhere.) ; ) Despite the remodeling going on in the room, we got a lot done! The high points of which are, we're working on setting up our own Suzuki Owners Club, Maryland, web site. We'll be doing a SOC-Md ride to D.C., for Rolling Thunder XIII ride with 250,000 other motorcycle's headed to the Viet Nam Memorial, that's on Mat 29th. We'll be well represented. We're having a SOC-USA flag made up to fly behind Ron Kostin's 1500 Suzuki Intruder. In June, were planning a trip to Havre de Grace, for their Blues Festival. That will be fun. A long ride, (to some) great music, food, beer, wine, museum tours and wine tasting seminars. Interest was expressed that we go to the Motocross races at Budds Creek. It was getting late, so we'll decide the date at our next meeting on June 12th. Everyone will want to be there. Eric Hess, the National Director of the Suzuki Owners Club USA will be there, from all the way from Colorado! We'll post the location as soon as a new location, closer to Baltimore is confirmed. Hope to see you there! Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org Join SOC Md's e-mail list at: http://www.egrougs.com/group/SOCMd _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes maillist - Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX http://lomond.pro-libertate.com/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes http://fatman.pro-libertate.com/suzuki/owners.html From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 09:50:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.223]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4HDoQk27140 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash24.acs.org by amerchem.acs.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA16419; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:50:12 -0400 Received: from wash58.acs.org (wash58.acs.org [134.243.200.8]) by wash24.acs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08760; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wash58.acs.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:45:01 -0400 Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96B1BFE1@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." , "D.C.Cycles-L" , LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Maryland's 1st SOC-USA Meeting Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:40:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BFC005.69F73E66" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFC005.69F73E66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For those who are looking for a motorcycle event this weekend: May 20 - Sport Fest Day in Frederick, Maryland - This is the 4th Annual Sport Bike Day put on by Frederick Harley Davidson. It will be held at the Adventist Property next to the Harry Grove Stadium (Exit 54 from I-70). While Buell will be the major presence with their national demo bikes there will also be demo rides by Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Ducati, BMW, Moto Guzzi, and Triumph. Aprilla will have bikes on display but no demos. The "doors" will open at 9 AM and the festivities go until 5 PM. You can ride your own bike in the Battletrax races if you choose. Practice for this will begin at 11 AM with Timed Events at 1:30 and the Finals at 3:30. Come on out and have a great day with other sport bike enthusiasts. May 21 - MD HSTA Sunday Ride - 9:00 AM - Meet at the Mt. Airy McDonalds located on Rt. 27 just north of the junction of Rt. 27 and I-70. Kickstands up at 9:30 SHARP. Even if you can't ride with us that day why not come by and say Hi before the ride. If you need or more information goto www.solo.net/~hsta Jason -----Original Message----- From: Steven C. Di Pietro [mailto:stevied@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:00 PM To: Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List; Suzuki Owners Club Md.; Balt-Cycles-l; D.C.Cycles-L; LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX; SuzukiBikes-L; Suzuki-l; Katana-L Subject: Maryland's 1st SOC-USA Meeting Thing's went great last night. A real good foundation has been poured for the Suzuki Owners Club USA, Maryland. Turnout was light, but even better than I expected, especially for such an out of the way location. (well, I had to start somewhere.) ; ) Despite the remodeling going on in the room, we got a lot done! The high points of which are, we're working on setting up our own Suzuki Owners Club, Maryland, web site. We'll be doing a SOC-Md ride to D.C., for Rolling Thunder XIII ride with 250,000 other motorcycle's headed to the Viet Nam Memorial, that's on Mat 29th. We'll be well represented. We're having a SOC-USA flag made up to fly behind Ron Kostin's 1500 Suzuki Intruder. In June, were planning a trip to Havre de Grace, for their Blues Festival. That will be fun. A long ride, (to some) great music, food, beer, wine, museum tours and wine tasting seminars. Interest was expressed that we go to the Motocross races at Budds Creek. It was getting late, so we'll decide the date at our next meeting on June 12th. Everyone will want to be there. Eric Hess, the National Director of the Suzuki Owners Club USA will be there, from all the way from Colorado! We'll post the location as soon as a new location, closer to Baltimore is confirmed. Hope to see you there! Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org Join SOC Md's e-mail list at: http://www.egrougs.com/group/SOCMd ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFC005.69F73E66 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Jason Picton.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jason Picton.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Picton;Jason FN:Jason Picton ORG:;IT EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jip98@XXXXXX REV:19990611T195532Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFC005.69F73E66-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 10:23:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HENhk27778 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12s4jb-0001Kh-00; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:23:40 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:27:30 GMT Message-ID: <3922d657.573220909@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330629EA@QSI_TYSONS> <39202FDA.F61D181C@trw.com> <3920366E.70F2A8AF@smartbrief.com> <39276edb.481179094@smtp.erols.com> <00a901bfbf35$605c5920$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <3921d177.506427474@smtp.erols.com> <000901bfbfe8$ea1a1900$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <000901bfbfe8$ea1a1900$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4HEQkk27779 This didn't stay on the list for some reason. One of us must have forgotten to hit "reply to all". On Wed, 17 May 2000 06:16:06 -0400, you wrote: |>anybody got one? I need to get more confident with wheelies anyways... :-) |> |>Kirt |>"Honestly officer, I was doing them *safely*...see, I'm even wearing the |>vest!" |> |> |>----- Original Message ----- |>From: |>To: Kirt S. |>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:54 PM |>Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! |> |> |>"wearing the ugly orange safety vest" gets you out of tickets |> |>On Tue, 16 May 2000 08:50:55 -0400, you wrote: |> |>|>I think I missed the original post. What theory do you want me to test??? |>|>Obviously it's something having to do with cops, but even so, I'll be able |>|>to use the scientific experimentation excuse if the first theory fails... |>|> |>|>hehe |>|> |>|>Kirt |> From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 10:32:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HEWsk28060 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.a3.61557c3 (3958) for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:32:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:32:45 EDT Subject: RC-51 Demo...was Maryland's 1st SOC-USA Meeting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 In a message dated 5/17/2000 10:02:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jip98@XXXXXX writes: << May 20 - Sport Fest Day in Frederick, Maryland - This is the 4th Annual Sport Bike Day put on by Frederick Harley Davidson. It will be held at the Adventist Property next to the Harry Grove Stadium (Exit 54 from I-70). While Buell will be the major presence with their national demo bikes there will also be demo rides by Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Ducati, BMW, Moto Guzzi, and Triumph. Aprilla will have bikes on display but no demos. The "doors" will open at 9 AM and the festivities go until 5 PM.>> I just wanted to add that I spoke to the owner Loudoun Motorsports yesterday, and he's planning to have an RC-51 at Sport Fest Day in Frederick for demo rides. -matt From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 10:45:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HEjsk28246 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:45:45 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A43@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good Cop Story! Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:40:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, I am glad we didn't missing that stunning exchange (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 1:28 PM > To: Kirt S.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! > > This didn't stay on the list for some reason. One of us must have > forgotten to hit "reply to all". > > On Wed, 17 May 2000 06:16:06 -0400, you wrote: > > |>anybody got one? I need to get more confident with wheelies anyways... > :-) > |> > |>Kirt > |>"Honestly officer, I was doing them *safely*...see, I'm even wearing the > |>vest!" > |> > |> > |>----- Original Message ----- > |>From: > |>To: Kirt S. > |>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:54 PM > |>Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! > |> > |> > |>"wearing the ugly orange safety vest" gets you out of tickets > |> > |>On Tue, 16 May 2000 08:50:55 -0400, you wrote: > |> > |>|>I think I missed the original post. What theory do you want me to > test??? > |>|>Obviously it's something having to do with cops, but even so, I'll be > able > |>|>to use the scientific experimentation excuse if the first theory > fails... > |>|> > |>|>hehe > |>|> > |>|>Kirt > |> From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 11:17:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from osd.mil (firewall-user@XXXXXX [140.185.28.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HFHFk28808 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by osd.mil; id KAA08299; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:16:07 GMT Received: from quasar.acq.osd.mil(134.152.48.171) by gateway1.osd.mil via smap (V4.2) id xma007393; Wed, 17 May 00 10:15:10 GMT Received: by quasar.acq.osd.mil(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 852568E2.0054895A ; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:23:21 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: OUSD_AT From: "Adam D Bowers -CTR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568E2.0054885B.00@quasar.acq.osd.mil> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:13:33 -0400 Subject: Re: RC-51 Demo...was Maryland's 1st SOC-USA Meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline not that it matters since 95% of all dealerships are sold out of them and you can't get one from a private seller unless you are willing to pay the price of a Ducati >>I just wanted to add that I spoke to the owner Loudoun Motorsports yesterday, and he's planning to have an RC-51 at Sport Fest Day in Frederick for demo rides. -matt << Adam D. Bowers (703) 693-6521 x163 Bravo Team Analyst OUSD(A&T) Information Management Technology From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 11:27:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HFRWk29058 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id LAA29118 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000517113205.007ad4b0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:32:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Carpool In-Reply-To: <200005102300.e4AN01e13606@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is anyone thinking of hanging out there this Sunday night? I know I wouldn't mind a weekly event and I don't care if there are no door prizes on a weekly basis. '95 VFR that will have a new tire tomorrow morning! Lisa From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 11:29:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3202.mail.yahoo.com (web3202.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4HFT4k29146 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000517152857.26993.qmail@web3202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.254.189.170] by web3202.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:28:57 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: Looking for Ride to Speedwerks To: SV650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As some of the racers may have noticed, I missed Summit last weekend because I am so busy with work. When I am too busy to race I am basically too busy do anything. I need to get the bike up to Camden soon so I can get it back the week of June 10th, and was hoping someone might be headed that way and have the room. If so please let me know and I'll owe ya one . . . ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 11:51:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HFpjk29529 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:51:37 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A4C@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Helmet Advice needed Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:46:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I just recevied my awesome Arai Signet GT Cooley replica. Any advice an keeping it pristine and beautiful, besided not wearing it? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 12:17:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4HGHBk29896 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 17 May 2000 19:15:30 UT Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:14 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Lisa Goddard" , "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Carpool Message-ID: <20000517121826861-410f8bf4@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sunday for J and I is pretty much out (we're having a party for her finally getting her Master's... YAY!!!) but I'm sure we'd love to be up there playing pool and such on weekends after that (so long as we're not out in the new... new to us... boat). Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Carpool Author: lisa@XXXXXX (Lisa Goddard) Date: 05/17/2000 11:32 AM Is anyone thinking of hanging out there this Sunday night? I know I wouldn't mind a weekly event and I don't care if there are no door prizes on a weekly basis. '95 VFR that will have a new tire tomorrow morning! Lisa From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 12:42:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HGg1k00396 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id i.a1.569d447 (6963); Wed, 17 May 2000 12:41:44 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:41:44 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Advice needed To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 In a message dated 5/17/00 12:02:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > I just recevied my awesome Arai Signet GT Cooley replica. Any advice an > keeping it pristine and beautiful, besided not wearing it? Don't fall on it. ;) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 15:08:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HJ8dk02946 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.81]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25752; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3923196C.991D0F03@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:13:00 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Helmet Advice needed References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A4C@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't drop it! %^) I've seen what you've done to your other helmet! If it didn't come with one, get some sort of bag for it and put it in the bag when you're not wearing it. And don't let your housemate touch it -- I've seen what he does with helmets too! %^) Chuck Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I just recevied my awesome Arai Signet GT Cooley replica. Any advice an > keeping it pristine and beautiful, besided not wearing it? > > Thanks > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 15:19:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HJJ4k03236 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Chuck Pena'" , Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Helmet Advice needed Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:10:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain It comes with what looks kinda like an oversized Crown Royal bag. :^) Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:13 PM > To: Mark Kitchell > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Helmet Advice needed > > Don't drop it! %^) I've seen what you've done to your other helmet! If > it didn't come with one, get some sort of bag for it and put it in the > bag when you're not wearing it. And don't let your housemate touch it > -- I've seen what he does with helmets too! %^) > > Chuck > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > I just recevied my awesome Arai Signet GT Cooley replica. Any advice an > > keeping it pristine and beautiful, besided not wearing it? > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 15:24:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HJO3k03326 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:23:51 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A63@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Dennis of XRoads in FUSA Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:18:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Just wanted to let you know that Dennis, the owner of Crossroads Cycles, is not the head tech inspector for PACE's Formula USA series. Was recruited by former local Kenny Abbott. Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 15:26:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4HJQWk03351 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Wed May 17 12:27:42 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:24:12 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2C02@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Helmet Advice needed Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:23:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, My advice, based on personal experience: 1) Buy new helmet; 2) Take home and unbox; 3) Take to exterior door and whack soundly on doorframe, making sure to nick the faceshield a bit; 4) Take to bike, place on seat, knock off seat onto concrete (or asphalt) driveway, ensuring a couple of bounces; 5) Pick up helmet, wipe off dirt and wear it. I highly recommend this approach so you won't be as likely to be moved to tears when one of the above actually occurs when you weren't planning for it... ;^) Perry Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I just recevied my awesome Arai Signet GT Cooley replica. Any advice an > keeping it pristine and beautiful, besided not wearing it? > > Thanks > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 15:55:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HJswk03888 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-233.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.233]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA11376 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:54:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfc039$a8060960$e9a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Trikes + in the NYTimes Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:50:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01BFBFFE.714E0480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BFBFFE.714E0480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today's NYTimes has a 20-page "Cars" section with all sorts of = background info (safety, Indy, futures, etc.) and a half page on Trikes = (p.18) for those with a bent for stability. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 Join the AMA. 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Today's NYTimes has a 20-page "Cars" section with = all sorts of=20 background info (safety, Indy, futures, etc.) and a half page on Trikes = (p.18)=20 for those with a bent for stability. 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BFBFFE.714E0480-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 15:56:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HJuik03987 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.168.51] by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQippn29994 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:56:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@misserve0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:56:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: First MC ticket.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Being a slow day at work, a friend and I decided to take a fast lunch. Bascially back roading to Leesburg from Ashburn, and doing a loop from Leesburg to Hamilton to Leesburg. I didn't get into trouble until I was heading back to work. For those who know the backroads round these parts, I was heading towards Ashburn on Evergreen Mills rd. I had just crossed the bridge over Goose Creek, and driving up the left hander, when I saw a silver Crown Vic/Caprice looking grill poke its nose around the corner, getting on the binders hard (last check was 80mph on the speedo), I kept through the turn and checked my mirrors to see what the State LEO would do....lots of brake lights. Not a good sign. My friend was following in his '98 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, (turbo charged AWD...a seriously underestimated car) and doing about the same speed. I was seriously considerign ducking into one of the gravel driveways into the trees which dot that piece of road. I chickened out on the first one, and got caught up to before I could pull off into the next one. To make a long story short, the cop din't charge us with reckless; he told us because of our distance apart and the fact that we knew each other could be construed as 'racing' and would result in forfeiture of our vehicles as well as jail time. (By the time his gun hit us, I was at 75 and my friend was at 73...should've braked harder....) Overall, he was pretty cool, but straightforward. Gave us both 73 in a 55 and made it speeding. I'll gladly eat this one and chalk it up to being young and stupid. I was really sweating it for a couple of minutes. He spent what seemed like forever in that car! Oh well....guess I'll have to be paranoid with the throttle for a few days. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F (street) '89 ZX-7 (race) From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 16:11:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4HKBDk04378 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Wed May 17 13:14:26 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:10:56 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2C05@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Sean Jordan'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First MC ticket.... Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:10:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sean, If it truly is your first ticket (at least with a motorcycle) and you have a clean record otherwise, go to court and plead guilty. Explain to the judge that you have a clean record and would like to keep it so. Wear nice clothes, be contrite. It's very likely that you'll just pay the fine and not have any points awarded. Of course, it's also possible that some form of traffic school will be recommended instead of points. I would suggest taking it. The money for the fine is nothing compared to what insurance companies like to do when they see points for an 18 over... Just my 2 cents worth. Best of luck! Perry -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sjordan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:57 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: First MC ticket.... Being a slow day at work, a friend and I decided to take a fast lunch. Bascially back roading to Leesburg from Ashburn, and doing a loop from Leesburg to Hamilton to Leesburg. I didn't get into trouble until I was heading back to work. For those who know the backroads round these parts, I was heading towards Ashburn on Evergreen Mills rd. I had just crossed the bridge over Goose Creek, and driving up the left hander, when I saw a silver Crown Vic/Caprice looking grill poke its nose around the corner, getting on the binders hard (last check was 80mph on the speedo), I kept through the turn and checked my mirrors to see what the State LEO would do....lots of brake lights. Not a good sign. My friend was following in his '98 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, (turbo charged AWD...a seriously underestimated car) and doing about the same speed. I was seriously considerign ducking into one of the gravel driveways into the trees which dot that piece of road. I chickened out on the first one, and got caught up to before I could pull off into the next one. To make a long story short, the cop din't charge us with reckless; he told us because of our distance apart and the fact that we knew each other could be construed as 'racing' and would result in forfeiture of our vehicles as well as jail time. (By the time his gun hit us, I was at 75 and my friend was at 73...should've braked harder....) Overall, he was pretty cool, but straightforward. Gave us both 73 in a 55 and made it speeding. I'll gladly eat this one and chalk it up to being young and stupid. I was really sweating it for a couple of minutes. He spent what seemed like forever in that car! Oh well....guess I'll have to be paranoid with the throttle for a few days. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F (street) '89 ZX-7 (race) From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 16:13:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HKDBk04459 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15690; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3922FD8F.9AFC6731@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:14:08 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H8isabeaut@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Going on a ride....... References: <75.41eb86f.26503fc3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit H8isabeaut@XXXXXX wrote: > So you wanna go on a ride? Then GO!!!! > Get a map out, and point yer bike down the road. When you 've gone as far as > you want pull out the map and try to find your way back. > > But seriously, if people want to go some time, I know plenty of great roads > in southern MD that are really fun to tool around on. After I get my little > GS500 back on the road I'll be lookin fer folks to ride with. Let me know. > > Dave > 2000 GS 500e > 1964 Vespa VNB > 1969 AMC Ambassador SST Dave, Hope this reply isn't too late, but I'd be interested. I've been planning to hit Maryland's 4 corners (or is it 3) this year with the Maryland members of the Suzuki Owners Club USA. Would you like to lead the ride to southern Maryland for us? Feel free to join our mailing list to get to know us better. That goes for all, too. We're at http://www.egroups.com/group/SOCMd Thanks, Steve Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 16:29:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HKTsk04771 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:26:53 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:26:53 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:26:41 -0400 Message-Id: <392300C3.B611619@trw.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:27:47 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Coleman, Perry" CC: "'Sean Jordan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2C05@md-exchange1.nai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry is absolutely right. My last ticket was my first in years, and on the advice of my cop buddy I went to court and pleaded guilty. The way it works in Loudoun is this: If you haven't received a ticket in 2 years or more, you can plead guilty and be assigned to take a driver improvement course. Upon completion of the course the charges are dropped. No fine, No points. The course I took cost $80 which is cheaper than the fine you are looking at, not to mention what the points will do to your insurance. Also, they've got the whole thing down to a science at the courthouse and they handle these kinds of pleas first, so you're in and out. Randy Moran "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > > > Of course, it's also possible that some form of traffic school will be > recommended instead of points. I would suggest taking it. The money for the > fine is nothing compared to what insurance companies like to do when they see > points for an 18 over... Just my 2 cents worth. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 18:15:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4HMFDk06654 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000517221506.25485.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.203] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:15:06 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Helmet Advice needed To: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't leave it sitting on the ground, just beyond the reach of the campfire light. Doh! --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I just recevied my awesome Arai Signet GT Cooley > replica. Any advice an > keeping it pristine and beautiful, besided not > wearing it? > > Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 18:19:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HMJKk06682 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.e8.483ca35 (4464) for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:19:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:19:10 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/15/00 2:40:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rmeyer@XXXXXX writes: << Ouch, that hurts. I used to race one of those when they were competitive. Does that mean I've become "vintage," too? >> I know of at least two people on this list that race them now. One of them is a "mature' fellow but the other is not so old. The mature fellow has been travelling so he's missed a few races, but I understand he may be racing at the next Summit Point event. Don't about the younger fellow. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 18:21:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HMLdk06780 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 6.4e.5a6b2e0 (4464); Wed, 17 May 2000 18:21:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4e.5a6b2e0.2654756b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:21:31 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, rmeyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/15/00 4:05:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: << Lets just say the running joke is that the big belly is needed to rest the beer and chips on after the races :) >> What belly????????????? You wear my size leathers!!!!!!! :-) Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 19:45:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4HNj3k08167 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0FUQ007019YQQH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:44:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0FUQ0070B9YQPV@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:44:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0FUQ006019XGF3@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:44:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0FUQ006019XFEW@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:44:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localHost ([166.32.192.143]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0FUQ0038X9X4SS@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:43:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Keiser Subject: RE: Carpool To: DC Cycles , lisa@XXXXXX Message-id: <0FUQ0038Y9X4SS@pmismtp03.wcomnet.com> X-Mailer: MailRoom for Internet v3.1a (www.SierraSol.com) I might be able to swing that. What time? Rob '98 VFR (that will need some new tires soon!) /Is anyone thinking of hanging out there this Sunday night? I know I /wouldn't mind a weekly event and I don't care if there are no door prizes /on a weekly basis. / /'95 VFR that will have a new tire tomorrow morning! / /Lisa From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 22:28:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4I2Sjk10540 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-238.patriot.net [209.249.180.238]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA29701; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:28:38 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39235420.64390D1A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:23:28 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Helmet Advice needed References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A4C@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go to Trak Auto - purchase roll of masking and spray can of "Chip Giuard", a thick lear plastic coating used on car rocker panels. Tape off helmet - hose that puppy down - let paint cure. Chip Guard is tough stuff, will survive many many drops. This will give it what is known as a "10 foot" paint job. From 10 feet away no one will notice that the finsih blows goats :-) Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > I just recevied my awesome Arai Signet GT Cooley replica. Any advice an > keeping it pristine and beautiful, besided not wearing it? > > Thanks > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 23:42:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4I3gGk11614 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id i.7a.5646b9b (660); Wed, 17 May 2000 23:42:03 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7a.5646b9b.2654c08b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:42:03 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Advice needed To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Stay of 211!!! RMC From dc-cycles-request Wed May 17 23:51:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4I3pgk11758 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.22.17] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP255.dialsprint.net [168.191.22.17]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13304 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005180351.UAA13304@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:40:28 -0400 Subject: farewell! :) From: "Marcy" To: DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit well ... I am moving to New York in July and will unsub from the list permanently in the next week or so ... just want to say that everyone I have personally met from this list has been wonderful and it's a shame I've been unable to get out on more group rides ... but such is life. You all have been immensely helpful with all kinds of technical questions, and others as well .... I plan on bringing the bike to Manhattan ... hopefully it won't get stolen! so if you're ever up there ... send me an email (email will stay the same) RIDE SAFE. >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 02:08:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4I68Mk13934 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 02:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA04078; Thu, 18 May 1972 02:12:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 1972 02:12:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: free gl-650 parts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Abandoned bike, engine (condition unknown), tank, rear wheel (no front end), will be junked. No carbs, electrics, or instruments, front brake. 19th and Park Rd, NW, DC. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 09:12:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bastion4.mail.sprint.com (bastion4.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IDCMk20343 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion4.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:11:58 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:11:42 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06907 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:11:40 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27985 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:11:40 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:11:39 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: Anyone know what happened to RL Brooks, parts, from Coleman's Powersport? TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-15ed668b-00000001" --openmail-part-15ed668b-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi everyone, I'm trying to find out what happened to the parts guy at the former Coleman Powersports in Falls Church, VA. His name is Richard L. Brooks aka Rick aka RL. This past March my fiancee Randy called CP for bike parts but found out Rich had left the company right about that time. Problem is now he needs a few parts for a old Honda CB 350 he's restoring and his contact has gone missing. If anyone knows where RL might be working now or what might have happened to him, please let me know. We'd love to get in touch with him ASAP. Thanks! - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-15ed668b-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 09:59:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3203.mail.yahoo.com (web3203.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4IDxrk21208 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000518135945.26402.qmail@web3203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.254.189.170] by web3203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 06:59:45 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: tickets.../classes/rt7 copland To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The way it works in > Loudoun is this: If you haven't received a ticket in > 2 years or more, you can > plead guilty and be assigned to take a driver > improvement course. Upon > completion of the course the charges are dropped. No > fine, No points. The > course I took cost $80 which is cheaper than the > fine you are looking at, not > to mention what the points will do to your > insurance. > Nuts! I wish I'd known that last summer - I got nicked on Rt 7 coming back from Summit on the first weekend I ever placed first - totally killed my day, 70 in a 55. For those that don't know, 7 twixt leesburg and summit is what I call Copland. Consistant coverage and I should have known better, but I was in a happy go lucky mood. Then this year I got caught again on rt 85 on my way to VIR. 2 tickets in 10 months, after 6 years clean. Definately take a course if available, it would have saved me a lot of dough in the long run. ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 10:20:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4IEK0k21547 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000518141951.11841.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.173] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:19:51 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: First MC ticket.... To: "Coleman, Perry" , "'Sean Jordan'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > > The money for the fine is nothing compared to > what insurance companies like to do when they see > points for an 18 over... Biggest goddamn money-making racket in the world, the insurance business. And Virginia's traffic penal system is the silliest in the states. Talk about arbitrary lawmaking and enforcement....everybody and their friggin grandmother is driving 'recklessly' on the beltway, often times right off the back bumper of a patrol car. Maryland has the right idea....30 over the limit gets you a stiff ($505) fine and 5 points. 8 points gets you a suspension hearing, 12 a revocation hearing. Anybody stupid enough to drive over 84 in a 55 mph zone (or 94 in a 65) and get caught TWICE within 2 years deserves the possible suspension. ***Assistance needed: I was cited for violating 82-1-6 (46.2-852) recently....I can't pull up this shit on lexis and would rather not have to go down to the law library. Could someone with the ability please find this Va. statute and send me its exact statutory language? I would really appreciate it. Thanks. -- tg p.s. Sean, I've followed you on non-twisty roads (such as route 66). This won't be the last time you post to the list about a potential reckless driving ticket. Advice: only wick it up when it's fun to do so, i.e., when the road has curves in it! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 10:32:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IEWnk21842 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:24:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "Coleman, Perry" , "'Sean Jordan'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First MC ticket.... Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:24:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4IEWsk21843 § 46.2-852 Reckless driving; general rule Irrespective of the maximum speeds permitted by law, any person who drives a vehicle on any highway recklessly or at a speed or in a manner so as to endanger the life, limb, or property of any person shall be guilty of reckless driving. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-852 Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 10:20 AM > To: Coleman, Perry; 'Sean Jordan' > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: First MC ticket.... > > ***Assistance needed: I was cited for violating 82-1-6 > (46.2-852) recently....I can't pull up this shit on > lexis and would rather not have to go down to the law > library. Could someone with the ability please find > this Va. statute and send me its exact statutory > language? I would really appreciate it. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 10:35:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4IEZSk21924 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:35:36 -0700 Message-ID: <392429D6.AAD34904@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:35:18 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... References: <20000518141951.11841.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tom Gimer wrote: > ***Assistance needed: I was cited for violating 82-1-6 > (46.2-852) recently....Could someone with the ability please > find this Va. statute and send me its exact statutory > language? I would really appreciate it. Thanks. Tom, I found it here: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-852 It sounds so damned vague they can make it stick to just about anyone if they want to. § 46.2-852 Reckless driving; general rule Irrespective of the maximum speeds permitted by law, any person who drives a vehicle on any highway recklessly or at a speed or in a manner so as to endanger the life, limb, or property of any person shall be guilty of reckless driving. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 10:55:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IEt1k22189 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sRhT-0000iP-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:54:59 -0400 Message-ID: <015d01bfc0d9$1025eb60$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: cupped front tire...and Tire Mounting machine... Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:55:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 remember all that stuff I was saying about pulsing brakes... well, I still think it might be the brakes, but I also noticed my front tire appears "cupped". I'm gonna go buy a new front tire today after work. So, who has the tire mounting machine, and how much do you want to help me out by balancing and mounting a new front for me??? Kirt From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 11:26:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4IFQmk22685 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000518152641.7822.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.173] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:26:41 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I think this is VERY good news for me.....I was cited for "Reckless Driving General" The officer admitted that I was neither speeding, weaving, nor out of control; claimed that having one wheel in the air was per se reckless "according to the statute." Quite frankly, I don't see it that way. First, the statute doesn't mention anything as being per se reckless; second, it doesn't specifically mention anything having remotely to do with keeping all wheels on the ground. I'm still going to hire a lawyer to represent me in Va., but I'm going to have him attack the police officer's explanation of how the statute applies to my situation. Thoughts? What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. 11 years on the record and possible jail time for something so much in a LEO's discretion? I believe this statute is ripe for a constitutional challenge for vagueness. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > ***Assistance needed: I was cited for violating > 82-1-6 > > (46.2-852) recently....Could someone with the > ability please > > find this Va. statute and send me its exact > statutory > > language? I would really appreciate it. Thanks. > > Tom, > > It sounds so damned vague they can make it stick to > just about anyone if they want to. > > § 46.2-852 > > Reckless driving; general rule > > Irrespective of the maximum speeds permitted by law, > any person who > drives a vehicle on any highway recklessly or at a > speed or in a manner > so as to endanger the life, limb, or property of any > person shall be > guilty of reckless driving. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 12:07:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IG7uk23522 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BABYTALK ([10.10.10.59]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id KRARX82C; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:10:08 -0400 Message-ID: <024101bfc0e3$8a1849e0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: <015d01bfc0d9$1025eb60$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Subject: Synchronizing carbs, cupped tires Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:10:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I've been getting some stuttering on my 94 f2 at really light throttle openings and below 4-5k rpms. Could this be the carbs needing to be synchronized? What are the symptoms of unsynchronized carbs? In first and second gear at low revs and light throttle opening the bike jerks every few seconds which makes me think that one cylinder is leaner/richer than the others. There's also the stuttering. At medium to large throttle openings I can't detect any stuttering. That being said anyone have a carb synchronizer I could borrow or rent? What is cupping of the tires? How do I check for them? From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 12:11:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4IGBXk23555 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:11:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3924403F.D60B7BD7@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:10:55 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... References: <20000518152641.7822.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. 11 > years on the record and possible jail time for > something so much in a LEO's discretion? I believe > this statute is ripe for a constitutional challenge > for vagueness. I agree. If you are not driving 20 over some days on the Beltway, you are a speedbump. They need to relax the definition of "reckless", or give it's discretion back to the officers (they have to write up a reckless if you are 20 over, no choice in the matter). Good luck with your case, dude! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 12:18:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IGI7k23678 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:10:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Han Park'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synchronizing carbs, cupped tires Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:09:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain You can probably diagnose unsynched carbs by just looking at your tachometer at idle speed. If the needle surges more than 100 rpm or so, you may well have this problem. As I understand it, tire cupping is detectable by a significant "lip" on one edge of a tread block and a significant worn-down area at the opposite edge of the block. It will look as if the edges of the treads are being deformed. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Han Park [SMTP:hpark@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 12:10 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Synchronizing carbs, cupped tires > > I've been getting some stuttering on my 94 f2 at really light throttle > openings and below 4-5k rpms. Could this be the carbs needing to be > synchronized? What are the symptoms of unsynchronized carbs? In first > and > second gear at low revs and light throttle opening the bike jerks every > few > seconds which makes me think that one cylinder is leaner/richer than the > others. There's also the stuttering. At medium to large throttle > openings > I can't detect any stuttering. That being said anyone have a carb > synchronizer I could borrow or rent? > What is cupping of the tires? How do I check for them? > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 12:30:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IGUIk23948 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:29:59 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:29:59 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:29:35 -0400 Message-Id: <39241AB1.D2BB0DE6@trw.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:30:42 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... References: <20000518152641.7822.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey now! I grew up here and I kinda like the Old Dominion. Curvy roads, good looking women, beautiful landscape...The only thing we don't have is a Major League baseball team. And it's an a-hole from Maryland that keeps f***ing that up for us. Maybe you oughta wheelie yer, state trooper bitchin', Constitution interpreting ass back to wherever it is you came from... Randy Moran (only kinda kidding) Tom Gimer wrote: > What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. 11 > years on the record and possible jail time for > something so much in a LEO's discretion? I believe > this statute is ripe for a constitutional challenge > for vagueness. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 12:48:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IGmfk24297 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:48:23 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A86@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Randy Moran'" , Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First MC ticket.... Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:42:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain YEAH!!!!! Wheelie me back to old Virginny!! And how about all those state troopers in MD on the beltway? > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Moran [SMTP:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 12:31 PM > To: Tom Gimer > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... > > Hey now! I grew up here and I kinda like the Old Dominion. Curvy roads, > good looking women, beautiful landscape...The only thing we don't have > is a Major League baseball team. And it's an a-hole from Maryland that > keeps f***ing that up for us. Maybe you oughta wheelie yer, state > trooper bitchin', Constitution interpreting ass back to wherever it is > you came from... > > Randy Moran > (only kinda kidding) > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. 11 > > years on the record and possible jail time for > > something so much in a LEO's discretion? I believe > > this statute is ripe for a constitutional challenge > > for vagueness. > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 12:54:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from osd.mil (firewall-user@XXXXXX [140.185.28.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IGskk24393 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by osd.mil; id LAA02446; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:56:02 GMT Received: from stargate.acq.osd.mil(134.152.54.116) by gateway2.osd.mil via smap (V4.2) id xma002358; Thu, 18 May 00 11:56:01 GMT Received: by stargate.acq.osd.mil(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 852568E3.005D49DB ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:58:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: OUSD_AT From: "Adam D Bowers -CTR" To: Dale Horstman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568E3.005D47F1.00@stargate.acq.osd.mil> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:52:00 -0400 Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>(they have to write up a reckless if you are 20 over, no choice in the matter).<< That is if you are going 20 over...I have had cops say that I was just going 19 over...it is honestly still up to them. They don't have to give you reckless if they don't want to...they just downgrade to 19 over and it's fine...they still get the recognition and the quota hit for it so they are happy Adam D. Bowers (703) 693-6521 x163 Bravo Team Analyst OUSD(A&T) Information Management Technology From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 13:01:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IH1Xk24578 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:01:23 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:01:22 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:01:17 -0400 Message-Id: <3924221F.7F5D7C5D@trw.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:02:24 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A86@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now wait a minute--i say, wait a minnit, boy! Ya cain't jus' go wheeliein' on back to old virginny--we'sa got rulles 'round heah-I tell ya the boy' about as sharp as a bowlin' ball. Randy "Foghorn Leghorn" Moran Mark Kitchell wrote: > YEAH!!!!! Wheelie me back to old Virginny!! From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 13:03:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4IH3Dk24588 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:02:54 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:02:26 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , , Cc: Subject: Can anyone substantiate this claim/////????I'm interested in SPEED. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4IH3Fk24589 I haven't really rode it to hard until last night! After a quick break-in I changed the oil last night with about 300 miles on the clock. I read that racers break in there bikes by going about 20km or 12.5miles in between each red line hit, for max power. That is: 20km redline in 1st 40km redline in 1st 60km redline in 1st 80km redline in 2nd 100km redline in 2nd 120kn redline in 2nd 140km redline in 3rd.... You get the picture. You are to do this until you reach 6th and then change the oil not filter. You wait and get the filter changed at 600mi by the dealer at your first service. I saw lot of metal shavings on the magnet that was in the drain plug. Also you are not suppose to let the bike run for longer than an hour at a time or 100mi. You must also let the bike COMPLETELY cool in between sessions to allow the rings to seat correctly. I got this information from Gixxer.com. They said they got it form Robert Muzzy and Keith Cameron. This is suppose to be the street version of a proper Dyno break-in. Now to my story!!!!! Last night. Me and a friend took out the 2000 R1 and the GSXR to see what it would do on a roll on. It was about 73 degrees F at night. I live in Florida. The R1 has about 2600mi on the clock. I was riding the GSXR. We rolled on at about 70mph and WOW. The R1 pulled about 3/4 of a bike ahead as expected, but that was as soon as he hit it and it was on his nod so he got the jump. The R1 didn't gain any ground at all. Then when I shift the 750 to 4th it pulled up and PASSED THE R1. I was shocked! He couldn't believe it so we did it two more times. The 2nd time, I gave the nod and I jump out in front and he never caught me. He said he missed a shift power shifting and I got out on him about 7 bikes. The last time it was the same as the first, when I hit 4th gear I began to pass him on the R1. By the time I got to 6th we had to back off due to visibility and room. That 750 is the SHIT! I bought it to make it a track bike after I ride it on the street some and get use to it. By the way, both of us are about 220lb and can ride very well. That was his 2nd R1. He traded in the 99' for a 00'. BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 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One of the first bikes to have a single swing arm. The bike rides great and has plenty of power. Maintained well and in super condition. Stored inside during winter and always has synthetic oil in the crank case. Just no time to ride. Located in State College, PA. Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 13:48:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IHmHk25468 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id NAA08627; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39242CB3.AEE983E7@pti.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:47:31 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han Park CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synchronizing carbs / Tune day anyone? References: <015d01bfc0d9$1025eb60$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <024101bfc0e3$8a1849e0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Han >From what you have explained you're right about the carbs needing synching. I have a set of sticks and would be more than happy to let you use them. The only thing is that I live in Gainesville Va. I not sure where your at but if your close enough or don't mind the drive, let me know. That goes for anyone else on the list that is interested as well. Maybe we could put together a tune day and end it with a ride. I have tools, jets (for thoughs in need) and some know how (well at least with Japanese bikes). Nelson Han Park wrote: > I've been getting some stuttering on my 94 f2 at really light throttle > openings and below 4-5k rpms. Could this be the carbs needing to be > synchronized? What are the symptoms of unsynchronized carbs? In first and > second gear at low revs and light throttle opening the bike jerks every few > seconds which makes me think that one cylinder is leaner/richer than the > others. There's also the stuttering. At medium to large throttle openings > I can't detect any stuttering. That being said anyone have a carb > synchronizer I could borrow or rent? > What is cupping of the tires? How do I check for them? From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 13:51:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IHp2k25554 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sURn-0002rh-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:50:59 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: clutch and chain question Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:54:30 GMT Message-ID: <392457db.671928399@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4IHp3k25555 I put my bike up on my new rear wheel stand. with the bike in first gear and clutch pulled completely in, the wheel spins. Is this normal or does it mean I have sticky clutches and or some adjustment of something is needed? Same setting, the chain his the bottom of the swing arm I believe. I am thinking it's a little on the lose side. get kind of a clickity clack type of noise. I don't see any binding links though. Just a lot of play in the chain which seems excessive. school me! :) thanks Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 13:54:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IHs9k25574 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sUUp-0003dY-00; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:54:07 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Garcia Oliver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: free gl-650 parts Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:57:38 GMT Message-ID: <39255892.672110773@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4IHsBk25575 That reminds me there is an old yamaha thrown out of a yard of a vacated house laying on the grass for junk. it's rusted but if anyone needs any spare parts... it's a standard/cruiser type of thing. pretty junky but might have that one part you need.. I didn't see any model on it. I could probably get a picture online if someone really needs something or I could go look for distinguishing features you tell me (if you need a part). It's located about 5 min outside of NE dc. Daniel On Thu, 18 May 1972 02:12:54 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: |> |>Abandoned bike, engine (condition unknown), tank, rear wheel (no front |>end), will be junked. No carbs, electrics, or instruments, front brake. |>19th and Park Rd, NW, DC. |> |>--garcia From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 13:56:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IHuOk25587 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sUX0-00047T-00; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:56:22 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: H8isabeaut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Going on a ride....... Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:59:53 GMT Message-ID: <392759b6.672402953@smtp.erols.com> References: <75.41eb86f.26503fc3@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <75.41eb86f.26503fc3@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4IHuRk25588 I may do the southern MD thing. sounds like fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 14:00:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4II0kk25726 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sUbE-00053A-00; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:00:44 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Cop Story! Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:04:15 GMT Message-ID: <39285aa0.672637038@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A43@QSI_TYSONS> In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A43@QSI_TYSONS> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4II0lk25727 On Wed, 17 May 2000 10:40:49 -0400, you wrote: |>Wow, I am glad we didn't missing that stunning exchange (-: LOL. "seriously tho who has a vest for kirt" hehehe Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 14:03:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4II3gk25738 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sUe2-0005fd-00; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:03:38 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Helmet Advice needed Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:07:09 GMT Message-ID: <39295b3f.672795943@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A4C@QSI_TYSONS> In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A4C@QSI_TYSONS> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4II3hk25739 On Wed, 17 May 2000 11:46:41 -0400, you wrote: |>I just recevied my awesome Arai Signet GT Cooley replica. Any advice an |>keeping it pristine and beautiful, besided not wearing it? wear a clear plastic bag over it ? |>Thanks Don't mention it. Or you could let me be it's care taker. Nothing will happen to it I *promise* Daniel sorry :) From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 14:05:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4II5Gk25843 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sUfX-0005xz-00; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:05:11 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Chuck Pena Cc: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Helmet Advice needed Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:08:42 GMT Message-ID: <392a5bb4.672913043@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A4C@QSI_TYSONS> <3923196C.991D0F03@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <3923196C.991D0F03@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4II5Kk25846 On Wed, 17 May 2000 15:13:00 -0700, you wrote: |>bag when you're not wearing it. And don't let your housemate touch it |>-- I've seen what he does with helmets too! %^) Sabatage!!! with housemates like that... murder rates rise From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 14:06:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4II6qk25863 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A8F@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , Chuck Pena Cc: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Helmet Advice needed Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:01:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain He has dropped his helmet only once....unfortunately in front of the entire bike night crowd. I, on the other hand, drop mine daily! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 5:09 PM > To: Chuck Pena > Cc: Mark Kitchell; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Helmet Advice needed > > On Wed, 17 May 2000 15:13:00 -0700, you wrote: > > |>bag when you're not wearing it. And don't let your housemate touch it > |>-- I've seen what he does with helmets too! %^) > > Sabatage!!! with housemates like that... murder rates rise From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 14:21:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IIL9k26498 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sUuw-0006nq-00; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: <018d01bfc0f5$dc4c4650$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Han Park" , References: <015d01bfc0d9$1025eb60$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <024101bfc0e3$8a1849e0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> Subject: Re: Synchronizing carbs, cupped tires Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:21:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 the way it was explained to me was like this... get down next to your front tire. Look at the tread sideways...if the leading edge is wearing different than the trailing edge, your tires are "cupped"...in extrem cases, it looks like fish scales, cuz the leading edge rubber is almost hanging over the tread... here's a crappy diagram...first normal...then cupped... _________ _____________ |__| _________ _____________ /__| see? Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: Han Park To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Synchronizing carbs, cupped tires > I've been getting some stuttering on my 94 f2 at really light throttle > openings and below 4-5k rpms. Could this be the carbs needing to be > synchronized? What are the symptoms of unsynchronized carbs? In first and > second gear at low revs and light throttle opening the bike jerks every few > seconds which makes me think that one cylinder is leaner/richer than the > others. There's also the stuttering. At medium to large throttle openings > I can't detect any stuttering. That being said anyone have a carb > synchronizer I could borrow or rent? > What is cupping of the tires? How do I check for them? > > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 14:41:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IIffk27346 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:41:42 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A91@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Lisa Goddard'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Carpool Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:27:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hey Lisa and anyone else. I am going to try and be there around 6 on Sunday. Cool? mark 91 VFR > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa Goddard [SMTP:lisa@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 11:32 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Carpool > > Is anyone thinking of hanging out there this Sunday night? I know I > wouldn't mind a weekly event and I don't care if there are no door prizes > on a weekly basis. > > '95 VFR that will have a new tire tomorrow morning! > > > Lisa From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 14:52:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IIqnk27568 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sVPb-00060o-00; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:52:47 -0400 Message-ID: <020d01bfc0fa$4915ddb0$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Mark Kitchell" , References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062A91@QSI_TYSONS> Subject: Re: Carpool Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:52:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm gonna try and show up too... could someone e-mail me directiosn again... I'll be the dork wearing the aerostich, riding the yellow/black F4. :-) Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kitchell To: 'Lisa Goddard' ; < > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 2:27 PM Subject: RE: Carpool > Hey Lisa and anyone else. I am going to try and be there around 6 on > Sunday. Cool? > > mark > > 91 VFR > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lisa Goddard [SMTP:lisa@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 11:32 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Carpool > > > > Is anyone thinking of hanging out there this Sunday night? I know I > > wouldn't mind a weekly event and I don't care if there are no door prizes > > on a weekly basis. > > > > '95 VFR that will have a new tire tomorrow morning! > > > > > > Lisa > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 15:03:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f166.hotmail.com [216.32.181.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4IJ3Mk27731 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58797 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 2000 19:03:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000518190314.58796.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.211.204.202 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:03:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.211.204.202] From: "No Body" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle/Harleys adventures on the pacific coast highway Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:03:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well I have just returned from five weeks of sunshine in San Francisco, there on some business. So one sunny California weekend me and a friend of mine from New York, where sitting around with nothing to do, he is a big Harley nut. I was educating him on the finer points of riding a sport bike as opposed to a $25,000 chromed up the ying yang Harley. To cut a long story short we decided to rent a couple of Harleys in San Francisco, I got a 2000 Fat Boy and he got a Road King. I had never been on a Harley before and this was a novel experience for me, the bike vibrated, it was loud, it set off car alarms, people I didn’t know where smiling and waving at me, high school girls in their parents cars blew kisses, interesting. The acceleration came in heavy doses. I got the feeling that when I gave it gas the bike was pulling me along and I had to hold on tight in order not to fall off, plus the bike weighted like a 1000lbs. So we decided to see how far we could ride south on the Pacific Coast from San Francisco, we rode 400 miles on some very twisty curly roads, hills, valleys, bridges that seemed to be out of a James Bond movie. The Pacific Ocean on the right the rugged coastline of California on the left, it was a memorable trip. We ended up in Santa Barbara, an hour or so away from LA, sunburned, tired but happy. Santa Barbara has a nice nightlife and downtown was just begging for cursing in Harleys so we did that also. Great weekend and I now have a greater appreciation for Harleys and cruiser bikes in general. The Harley might have not been as nimble as sport when taking corners, but it more than made up for it in terms of long distance cruising ability and all around sex appeal. Anyone riding this Sunday afternoon? I will be at Starbuck in Potomac Yards Shopping Center its on Route 1 in Alexandria near Crystal City at 2:00pm, will probably be riding up and down George Washington (GW) parkway to Mount Vernon, if anyone is interested come on down and joining me. Any other suggestion or plans I am open for anything. Regards ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 15:19:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IJJUk28081 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sVpN-0007ZU-00; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:19:25 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Nelson Fernandez Cc: Han Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synchronizing carbs / Tune day anyone? Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:22:55 GMT Message-ID: <392c6ce0.677310198@smtp.erols.com> References: <015d01bfc0d9$1025eb60$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <024101bfc0e3$8a1849e0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> <39242CB3.AEE983E7@pti.com> In-Reply-To: <39242CB3.AEE983E7@pti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4IJJgk28082 bike sputterign could also be contaminated fuel or a cyclinder not firing up to spec.. like a spark plug wire that shorts out or a fouled out plug. listen for a clicking noise if your wire is shorted out. My bike did that so i just adjusted the cord by moving it around and now ti's ok. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 15:22:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IJMSk28149 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-223.s477.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.223]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sVsI-0000bD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:22:26 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synchronizing carbs, cupped tires Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:25:56 GMT Message-ID: <392d6d55.677426448@smtp.erols.com> References: <015d01bfc0d9$1025eb60$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <024101bfc0e3$8a1849e0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> <018d01bfc0f5$dc4c4650$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <018d01bfc0f5$dc4c4650$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4IJMTk28150 do rear tires cup? I noticed on my rear tire that part of the rubber seemed to be hanging off, kind of like if you scale a fish. Or like if you need to rotate the tires on your car. i noticed it on the left side of my rear tire. I didnt' even look at the right side.. didn't think about it. Could this mean my tire isnt' on straight? I think i need to tighten the slack up in my chain anyway. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 15:41:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4IJf7k28378 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000518194059.1212.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.210] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:40:59 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: Randy Moran Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Randy Moran wrote: > Hey now! I grew up here and I kinda like the Old > Dominion. Curvy roads, > good looking women, beautiful landscape... No complaints in those departments on this end.... > The only thing we don't have > is a Major League baseball team. And it's an a-hole > from Maryland that keeps f***ing that up for us. You want baseball? If I had a say in it, you could have those pitiful Orioles and the $30+ seats that come with 'em. Who is the Md. asshole you are referring to? > Maybe you oughta wheelie yer, state > trooper bitchin', Constitution interpreting ass back > to wherever it is you came from... I'm actually a native of this pitiful shithole you fondly call your Commonwealth. Wait, I take that back....Virginia does have a handful of good qualities: you can buy your beer at the grocery store, cigarettes are relatively cheap, sodomy is punishable by imprisonment, etc. Oh, and it wasn't a 'wheelie.' I had just rejetted my buddy's RR's carbs and was simply testing the jetting out. Everything checked out quite well, thank you. Even the guy in the helicopter thought so. > Randy Moran > (only kinda kidding) ;) > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. 11 > > years on the record and possible jail time for > > something so much in a LEO's discretion? I > > believe > > this statute is ripe for a constitutional > > challenge for vagueness. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 16:03:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IK3Gk28827 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id QAA11560; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39244C4E.46EA746@pti.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:02:22 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: Han Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synchronizing carbs / Tune day anyone? References: <015d01bfc0d9$1025eb60$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <024101bfc0e3$8a1849e0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> <39242CB3.AEE983E7@pti.com> <392c6ce0.677310198@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It could be but both of those will normaly get worse at higher RPMs, not go away. Nelson daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > bike sputterign could also be contaminated fuel or a cyclinder not > firing up to spec.. like a spark plug wire that shorts out or a fouled > out plug. > > listen for a clicking noise if your wire is shorted out. My bike did > that so i just adjusted the cord by moving it around and now ti's ok. > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 16:35:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IKZ9k29576 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-143.s143.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.143]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sX0W-0004aT-00; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:35:00 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Nelson Fernandez Cc: Han Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synchronizing carbs / Tune day anyone? Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:38:28 GMT Message-ID: <39247ec3.681889383@smtp.erols.com> References: <015d01bfc0d9$1025eb60$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <024101bfc0e3$8a1849e0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> <39242CB3.AEE983E7@pti.com> <392c6ce0.677310198@smtp.erols.com> <39244C4E.46EA746@pti.com> In-Reply-To: <39244C4E.46EA746@pti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4IKZOk29580 On Thu, 18 May 2000 16:02:22 -0400, you wrote: |>It could be but both of those will normaly get worse at higher RPMs, not |>go away. Definitely true for contaminated gas... but my spark leak I didnt' notice it gettng worse, but infact went away at higher RPMS. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 16:42:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IKfwk29629 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-80.patriot.net [209.249.180.80]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA20898; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:41:32 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39245440.7731D023@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:36:16 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... References: <20000518152641.7822.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You want thoughts? Doing a wheelie is definately reckless driving. Always has been, always will be. ANyone who thinks wheelies on a public hiway isn't reckless has thier head up thier a** so far they should be cited for driving while blind. Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > Well, I think this is VERY good news for me.....I was > cited for "Reckless Driving General" > > The officer admitted that I was neither speeding, > weaving, nor out of control; claimed that having one > wheel in the air was per se reckless "according to the > statute." Quite frankly, I don't see it that way. > First, the statute doesn't mention anything as being > per se reckless; second, it doesn't specifically > mention anything having remotely to do with keeping > all wheels on the ground. I'm still going to hire a > lawyer to represent me in Va., but I'm going to have > him attack the police officer's explanation of how the > statute applies to my situation. Thoughts? > > What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. 11 > years on the record and possible jail time for > something so much in a LEO's discretion? I believe > this statute is ripe for a constitutional challenge > for vagueness. > > - From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 16:46:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4IKjwk29782 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000518204541.21616.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.58.194.58] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:45:41 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:45:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: Adam D Bowers -CTR , Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They can give you a speeding ticket for ANY MPH over, its not automaticly reckless just because you hit 20 over. The cops just tell you they have too. Last time I got one the cop gave me that bullshit story about that he had to. Best part was when I told him it was his discretion. He's stuttered a little bit and said that his supervisor wants him to write reckless ticket. After asking my lawyer friend about it he said the state boys in general are taught to give you the biggest offense possible incase you try and plea bargain it down. Glenn --- Adam D Bowers -CTR wrote: > > >>(they have to write > up a reckless if you are 20 over, no choice in the > matter).<< > > That is if you are going 20 over...I have had cops > say that I was just going 19 > over...it is honestly still up to them. They don't > have to give you reckless if > they don't want to...they just downgrade to 19 over > and it's fine...they still > get the recognition and the quota hit for it so they > are happy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 17:55:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ILtgk00980 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26339 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:55:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:55:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... In-Reply-To: <20000518204541.21616.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 May 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:45:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Glenn Dysart > Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX > To: Adam D Bowers -CTR , > Dale Horstman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... > > They can give you a speeding ticket for ANY MPH over, > its not automaticly reckless just because you hit 20 > over. The way the virginia law is written, it IS reckless if it's 20 over or if you're going over 80. 46.2-862 Exceeding speed limit A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives a motor vehicle on the highways in the Commonwealth (i) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit where the applicable speed limit is thirty miles per hour or less, (ii) at a speed of sixty miles per hour or more where the applicable maximum speed limit is thirty-five miles per hour, (iii) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limits where the applicable maximum speed limit is forty miles per hour or more, or (iv) in excess of eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable maximum speed limit. http://leg1.state.va.us/000/src.htm Whether or not you get a ticket for it, as noted previously, probably depends a good deal on the human factors involved in dealing with the officer. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 18:10:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4IMA3k01199 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.133.21.18] (sdn-ar-003dcwashP010.dialsprint.net [206.133.21.18]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11201 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005182210.PAA11201@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:58:54 -0400 Subject: on squidly attire From: "Marcy" To: DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ok. it is DAMN humid today and hot and sticky. I've been in the cage all day so have been wearing shorts and sandals ... pretty comfy right? but now I want to take the bike for a spin and am DREADING having to pile on jeans, boots, jacket, fingerless gloves, full face helmet.... I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to hop on in the shorts and sandals, half helmet, fingerless gloves, and shades and just go. it is VERY tempting. but I keep trying to remember the tale of the dude whose face was basically scraped off ....... a guess a little discomfort is worth my life after all .... >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 21:25:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4J1PKk04039 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000519012512.25670.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.192] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:25:12 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: Bill Huson Cc: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > You want thoughts? Doing a wheelie is definately > reckless driving. Always has been, always will be. According to who, may I ask? Hard acceleration brings the front wheel off the ground and that's reckless? Go check the dictionary definition of 'reckless' and tell me how that act is per se reckless. Empty road, under the speed limit, straight line acceleration. Reckless eh? > ANyone who thinks wheelies on a public > hiway isn't reckless has thier head up thier a** so > far they should be cited for driving while blind. I just want to get this ticket reduced. I don't need any flak from somebody who's still pissed off about some past comment. Yes, the cotton idea is still dumb, Bill. Sorry. Anybody have a WORTHWHILE comment regarding my plan of action and interpretation of the law? > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > Well, I think this is VERY good news for me.....I > was > > cited for "Reckless Driving General" > > > > The officer admitted that I was neither speeding, > > weaving, nor out of control; claimed that having > one > > wheel in the air was per se reckless "according to > the > > statute." Quite frankly, I don't see it that way. > > First, the statute doesn't mention anything as > being > > per se reckless; second, it doesn't specifically > > mention anything having remotely to do with > keeping > > all wheels on the ground. I'm still going to hire > a > > lawyer to represent me in Va., but I'm going to > have > > him attack the police officer's explanation of how > the > > statute applies to my situation. Thoughts? > > > > What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. 11 > > years on the record and possible jail time for > > something so much in a LEO's discretion? I > believe > > this statute is ripe for a constitutional > challenge > > for vagueness. > > > > - > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 18 21:56:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4J1utk04421 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-80.patriot.net [209.249.180.80]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA23125; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:51:32 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39249CEA.91D8FD7B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:46:18 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... References: <20000519012512.25670.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get a grip on reality, Tom. If hard acceleration breaks the rear tires loose on acage, that's reckless, same for any kind of stunt riding on a bike. Screw the dictionary, you're dealing with the law and the law has always considered circus driving/riding reckless. Been that way since I started driving, which was shortly after the invention of the internal combustion engine. Thinking you're too *cool* and thinking you're too *skilled* doesn't mean squat. Who's in charge? Websters dictionary or the man in blue with six tons of law books? You want worthwhile input? Can the attitude fast and hire a lawyer. You pull that I'm a super-rider and Websters dictionary crap in court and we'll be sending you cookies and magazines in the jail. Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > You want thoughts? Doing a wheelie is definately > > reckless driving. Always has been, always will be. > > According to who, may I ask? Hard acceleration brings > the front wheel off the ground and that's reckless? > Go check the dictionary definition of 'reckless' and > tell me how that act is per se reckless. Empty road, > under the speed limit, straight line acceleration. > Reckless eh? > > > ANyone who thinks wheelies on a public > > hiway isn't reckless has thier head up thier a** so > > far they should be cited for driving while blind. > > I just want to get this ticket reduced. I don't need > any flak from somebody who's still pissed off about > some past comment. Yes, the cotton idea is still > dumb, Bill. Sorry. Anybody have a WORTHWHILE comment > regarding my plan of action and interpretation of the > law? > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > Well, I think this is VERY good news for me.....I > > was > > > cited for "Reckless Driving General" > > > > > > The officer admitted that I was neither speeding, > > > weaving, nor out of control; claimed that having > > one > > > wheel in the air was per se reckless "according to > > the > > > statute." Quite frankly, I don't see it that way. > > > First, the statute doesn't mention anything as > > being > > > per se reckless; second, it doesn't specifically > > > mention anything having remotely to do with > > keeping > > > all wheels on the ground. I'm still going to hire > > a > > > lawyer to represent me in Va., but I'm going to > > have > > > him attack the police officer's explanation of how > > the > > > statute applies to my situation. Thoughts? > > > > > > What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. 11 > > > years on the record and possible jail time for > > > something so much in a LEO's discretion? I > > believe > > > this statute is ripe for a constitutional > > challenge > > > for vagueness. > > > > > > - > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 07:36:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4JBabk12550 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 07:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000519113630.8164.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.195] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 May 2000 04:36:30 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 04:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: Bill Huson Cc: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > Get a grip on reality, Tom. If hard acceleration > breaks the rear tires > loose on acage, that's reckless, same for any kind > of stunt riding on a > bike. Screw the dictionary, you're dealing with the > law and the law has > always considered circus driving/riding reckless. > Been that way since I > started driving, which was shortly after the > invention of the internal > combustion engine. Maybe that's how it is in Virginia...which only gives my point about what a backwards state Va. is more force. In the state of MD, when you spin the rear tires on a vehicle, one of the possible citations is 'Driver Spinning Wheels,' a 1 point infraction. There is no potential jail time. Any state that allows an individual to be put in jail for spinning his wheels, even accidentally, is really pushing the limits of the due process clause....a clause that has apparently been around even longer than your old ass. > Thinking you're too *cool* and thinking you're too > *skilled* doesn't > mean squat. Who's in charge? Websters dictionary > or the man in blue > with six tons of law books? Where in any of my posts do you find this language? Making up things is a sign that your confidence in your own argument is lacking. And, contrary to what YOU think, the judiciary branch is in charge of what happens to this ticket. Get your own dose of reality. > You want worthwhile input? Can the attitude fast and > hire a lawyer. You > pull that I'm a super-rider and Websters dictionary > crap in court and > we'll be sending you cookies and magazines in the > jail. I've already got a lawyer lined up. You don't know me, Bill, and you never will....so don't be sending my any goddamn gifts. What a shame....our relationship started out with such promise, and now this. > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > You want thoughts? Doing a wheelie is > definately > > > reckless driving. Always has been, always will > be. > > > > According to who, may I ask? Hard acceleration > brings > > the front wheel off the ground and that's > reckless? > > Go check the dictionary definition of 'reckless' > and > > tell me how that act is per se reckless. Empty > road, > > under the speed limit, straight line acceleration. > > Reckless eh? > > > > > ANyone who thinks wheelies on a public > > > hiway isn't reckless has thier head up thier a** > so > > > far they should be cited for driving while > blind. > > > > I just want to get this ticket reduced. I don't > need > > any flak from somebody who's still pissed off > about > > some past comment. Yes, the cotton idea is still > > dumb, Bill. Sorry. Anybody have a WORTHWHILE > comment > > regarding my plan of action and interpretation of > the > > law? > > > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > > Well, I think this is VERY good news for > me.....I > > > was > > > > cited for "Reckless Driving General" > > > > > > > > The officer admitted that I was neither > speeding, > > > > weaving, nor out of control; claimed that > having > > > one > > > > wheel in the air was per se reckless > "according to > > > the > > > > statute." Quite frankly, I don't see it that > way. > > > > First, the statute doesn't mention anything as > > > being > > > > per se reckless; second, it doesn't > specifically > > > > mention anything having remotely to do with > > > keeping > > > > all wheels on the ground. I'm still going to > hire > > > a > > > > lawyer to represent me in Va., but I'm going > to > > > have > > > > him attack the police officer's explanation of > how > > > the > > > > statute applies to my situation. Thoughts? > > > > > > > > What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. > 11 > > > > years on the record and possible jail time for > > > > something so much in a LEO's discretion? I > > > believe > > > > this statute is ripe for a constitutional > > > challenge > > > > for vagueness. > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with > Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 04:55:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bfc189$141b3170$6dec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is old news (kinda) in the world of computers, but it'll likely affect people mostly today and the next couple - but an offshoot of the ILOVEYOU virus... http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.loveletter.fw.a.html there's all the info you could want there.. As always, don't open attachments unless you know exactly what it is - no matter if you know who it's from. Hope this doesn't catch to many people off-guard. Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 08:05:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4JC5Ak13101 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA12839; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:04:07 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012239; Fri, 19 May 00 08:03:35 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FUT008532WBED@XXXXXX>; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 852568E4.00423872 ; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:03:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:03:58 -0400 Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: Dan Brown Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852568E4.00423770.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL OK, that is truly stupid wording. Reckless is specifically cited as 60mph over in a 35 mph zone (=95mph). Yet then the wording contradicts it self to say that anything over 80mph is reckless. --chris On Thu, 18 May 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > They can give you a speeding ticket for ANY MPH over, > its not automaticly reckless just because you hit 20 > over. The way the virginia law is written, it IS reckless if it's 20 over or if you're going over 80. 46.2-862 Exceeding speed limit A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives a motor vehicle on the highways in the Commonwealth (i) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit where the applicable speed limit is thirty miles per hour or less, (ii) at a speed of sixty miles per hour or more where the applicable maximum speed limit is thirty-five miles per hour, (iii) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limits where the applicable maximum speed limit is forty miles per hour or more, or (iv) in excess of eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable maximum speed limit. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 09:32:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4JDWXk14897 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA25572 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 06:31:21 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000519093617.00f2ed8c@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:36:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Bike Tunes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An interesting gadget profiled in todays' Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30141-2000May18.html It's a CD player that also plays MP3 files on a CD-R. You can put up to 15 hours of MP3s on one CD at maximum compression. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 09:57:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4JDvvk15430 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000519135750.16790.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 May 2000 06:57:50 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:57:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synchronizing carbs, cupped tires To: "Kirt S." , Han Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I call that feathering, not cupping. Cupping is when BOTH edges are higher then the center of the tread block. Glenn --- "Kirt S." wrote: > the way it was explained to me was like this... > > get down next to your front tire. Look at the tread > sideways...if the > leading edge is wearing different than the trailing > edge, your tires are > "cupped"...in extrem cases, it looks like fish > scales, cuz the leading edge > rubber is almost hanging over the tread... > > here's a crappy diagram...first normal...then > cupped... > > _________ _____________ > |__| > > _________ _____________ > /__| > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 10:02:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4JE2Ek15546 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:54:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First MC ticket.... Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:48:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain No, no, no, Chris. You misunderstood. It's 60 *MPH* in a 35 zone, not 60 over in a 35 zone. Now, it does seem strange that if the speed limit is 35 (and only 35) you get 25mph before you're reckless and if it's 65, you get only 15mph before reckless. Everywhere else, it's 20 over. Basically, if you want to speed, I guess your best bet is to do it in a 35 zone. Odd... 5 zone = 25 reckless 10 zone = 30 reckless 15 zone = 35 reckless 20 zone = 40 reckless 25 zone = 45 reckless 30 zone = 50 reckless 35 zone = 60 reckless (!) 40 zone = 60 reckless 45 zone = 65 reckless 50 zone = 70 reckless 55 zone = 75 reckless 65 zone = 80 reckless (!) Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:04 AM > To: Dan Brown > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... > > > > OK, that is truly stupid wording. > > Reckless is specifically cited as 60mph over in a 35 mph zone (=95mph). > Yet > then the wording contradicts it self to say that anything over 80mph is > reckless. > > --chris > > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > They can give you a speeding ticket for ANY MPH over, > > its not automaticly reckless just because you hit 20 > > over. > > The way the virginia law is written, it IS reckless if it's > 20 over or if you're going over 80. > > 46.2-862 > > Exceeding speed limit > > A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives a motor vehicle on > the highways in the Commonwealth (i) at a speed of twenty miles per hour > or > more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit where the applicable > speed limit is thirty miles per hour or less, (ii) at a speed of sixty > miles per hour or more where the applicable maximum speed limit is > thirty-five miles per hour, (iii) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or > more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limits where the applicable > maximum speed limit is forty miles per hour or more, or (iv) in excess of > eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable maximum speed limit. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. > Any > review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 10:08:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4JE8ck15615 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000519140831.17928.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 May 2000 07:08:31 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:08:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, Dan Brown Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I remembered seeing that part in the code a few years ago myself and thought it to be quite stupid. Bottom line is can you imagine trying to justify that in court? Glenn --- christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > > OK, that is truly stupid wording. > > Reckless is specifically cited as 60mph over in a 35 > mph zone (=95mph). Yet > then the wording contradicts it self to say that > anything over 80mph is > reckless. > > --chris > > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > They can give you a speeding ticket for ANY MPH > over, > > its not automaticly reckless just because you hit > 20 > > over. > > The way the virginia law is written, it IS reckless > if it's > 20 over or if you're going over 80. > > 46.2-862 > > Exceeding speed limit > > A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who > drives a motor vehicle on > the highways in the Commonwealth (i) at a speed of > twenty miles per hour or > more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit > where the applicable > speed limit is thirty miles per hour or less, (ii) > at a speed of sixty > miles per hour or more where the applicable maximum > speed limit is > thirty-five miles per hour, (iii) at a speed of > twenty miles per hour or > more in excess of the applicable maximum speed > limits where the applicable > maximum speed limit is forty miles per hour or more, > or (iv) in excess of > eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable > maximum speed limit. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the > person or entity to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 10:14:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4JEDrk15684 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Fri, 19 May 2000 07:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: <39257630.71D6278C@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:13:20 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcy CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: on squidly attire References: <200005182210.PAA11201@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcy wrote: > > I keep trying to remember the tale of the dude whose face was > basically scraped off ....... > > a guess a little discomfort is worth my life after all .... Marcy, When I get that squidly feeling (it happens on occasion) I ask myself whether which I'd rather do: Sweat or Bleed? Sweat wins everytime. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 10:15:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4JEFmk15759 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (vna-va13-43.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.171]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01557; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39254D7C.E315D3FE@pti.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:19:40 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcy CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: on squidly attire References: <200005182210.PAA11201@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcy Good call. I always where jeans, jacket, gloves and ff Helmet. The one time I broke my first rule of riding (to wear the gear no matter what) was when a friend and I decided to make a quick trip to the beach (I was living in Miami at the time). I was wearing low top sneakers, shorts, T-shirt and my helmet. I had a XS 750 for street riding and an xt250 for playing off road. I rode the xt that day for some reason and we headed out for the beach. After a long day at the beach we started home and one thing lead to another and me and my friend start playing pole position. I brake out ahead and I lay it into a turn at which I remember Im not on my street ride but on the xt. As this thought enters my mind the knobby front tire lets go and I low side the bike. I did my best to get on top of the bike to save as much skin as possible until the bike came to a stop. With cars coming at me I started the bike back up and got out of the middle of the road. The ride home was most uncomfortable as the road rash started to dry from the wind. Spent two hours in a tub with tweezers pulling little rocks and dirt out of my skin (no fun). Ended up with serious road rash on one hand, both forearms and all over my legs. All this because it was a hot day and I figured what the heck, I'll ride with out the gear. That was around thirteen years ago and I haven't made that mistake again since. And except for that little incident with the snow last year I haven't been down since (knock on wood). But when I do, I will be as ready as possible for it. Sorry to hear that you will be leaving us, I've always enjoyed reading your posts and hope all goes well in NY for you. If not you know you'll always have friend here in the Capital area. Take care and be well my friend Nelson Marcy wrote: > ok. it is DAMN humid today and hot and sticky. I've been in the cage all day > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 10:25:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4JEOxk16085 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 May 2000 07:24:35 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:24:34 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:24:08 -0400 Message-Id: <39254ECA.A8C98939@trw.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:25:14 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: What's the consensus--are wheelies reckless? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit reck-less \ 'rek-les \ adj (bef. 12c) 1: marked by lack of proper caution : careless of consequences 2: NEGLIGENT That's from Webster's. What do you all think? And is the legal definition of reckless driving only concerned with speed or are there other considerations? On a related note, here's my most embarrassing wheelie story. Scene shifts to November 1988. Young Army PFC Moran has ridden his '69 CB350 from Sierra Vista to Tucson, AZ, to meet some buddies at a local hotel (base of operations for a weekend of drunken debauchery). Pulling into the parking lot, he notices a bevy of beautiful babes exiting the lobby of the hotel into the dry evening heat. Absolutely sure that a wheelie will impress them, he tachs up the old 350 and dumps the clutch. He gets a good laugh as he runs by them desperately trying to snap the throttle shut and remount the bike. Ah, youth... -- Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 11:01:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4JF1fk17100 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.133.21.85] (sdn-ar-003dcwashP149.dialsprint.net [206.133.21.85]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11727; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005191501.IAA11727@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:50:14 -0400 Subject: Re: on squidly attire From: "Marcy" To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hahahaha that's the best advice yet! :) === M ---------- >From: Dale Horstman >To: Marcy >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: on squidly attire >Date: Fri, May 19, 2000, 1:13 PM > > Marcy wrote: >> >> I keep trying to remember the tale of the dude whose face was >> basically scraped off ....... >> >> a guess a little discomfort is worth my life after all .... > > Marcy, > > When I get that squidly feeling (it happens on occasion) > I ask myself whether which I'd rather do: Sweat or Bleed? > > Sweat wins everytime. :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 13:52:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3105.mail.yahoo.com (web3105.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.190]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4JHqWk20852 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000519175220.18858.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.208.121] by web3105.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:52:20 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:52:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan S. McClune" Subject: Re: Good Wheelie Story (was: First MC ticket....) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Waiting around for the tow truck to pull a riders F3 out of the drop off on the side of the road. The group of us were standing around talking to the sherif of the ity bity town we had just past to get into the canyons of central Oregon. Now to help paint a picture of this town it's the kind of place where everybody knows your name and your business. Where the sherif stepped up to the job after his father retired from it and he now has a small staff of realitives as deputies. It's also the kind of place where Main street is really the main street for a wile. Well, the sherif went on to tell us the story of the hot shoot biker in the town (there is at least on in every town) and how he decided to show off to the whole town one day by flying a wheelie down Main street. So this hot shoot no sooner gets his front wheel high up in the air coming down main street when the damn thing falls off. The officer's only comment was "I guess he was committed at that point." ..... and yes, I think this hot shoot was charged with reckless driving. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 14:12:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4JICak21329 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:04:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Ryan S. McClune'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Good Wheelie Story (was: First MC ticket....) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:04:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like a good helping of poetic license on the part of the police officer. How the front axle could possibly have just "fallen out" escapes me. Sounds like a lot of hot air. Funny story though. Chris Weaver '98 VTR p.s. There's a stunt rider in Europe (maybe A.C. Farias) who does a wheelie with no front wheel on the bike. I can't imagine how this stunt is actually set up in the first place. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan S. McClune [SMTP:ipeverywhere@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:52 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Good Wheelie Story (was: First MC ticket....) > > Waiting around for the tow truck to pull a riders > F3 out of the drop off on the side of the road. > The group of us were standing around talking to > the sherif of the ity bity town we had just past > to get into the canyons of central Oregon. Now > to help paint a picture of this town it's the > kind of place where everybody knows your name > and your business. Where the sherif stepped up to > the job after his father retired from it and he > now has a small staff of realitives as deputies. > It's also the kind of place where Main street is > really the main street for a wile. Well, the sherif > went on to tell us the story of the hot shoot biker > in the town (there is at least on in every town) > and how he decided to show off to the whole town > one day by flying a wheelie down Main street. So > this hot shoot no sooner gets his front wheel high > up in the air coming down main street when the damn > thing falls off. The officer's only comment was "I > guess he was committed at that point." > > ..... and yes, I think this hot shoot was charged > with reckless driving. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 15:55:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4JJtuk23013 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000519195548.4113.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.199] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:55:48 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:55:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: What's the consensus--are wheelies reckless? To: Randy Moran , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Randy Moran wrote: > reck-less \ 'rek-les \ adj (bef. 12c) 1: marked by > lack of proper > caution : careless of consequences 2: NEGLIGENT > > That's from Webster's. What do you all think? And is > the legal definition of reckless driving only > concerned with speed or are there other > considerations? Depends on the state....culpability standards differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. However, one thing is for sure....'reckless' is not synonymous with 'negligent' as far as the law is concerned. The legal definition of reckless should always include as an element the conscious disregard of a known risk. At least that's what I remember. Oh, and the earlier post about 60mph over in a 35mph zone (95mph) is incorrect. In reading the statute, apparently one can be clocked at 59 in a 35 and not be 'reckless.' 60mph and over in a 35mph zone and you're reckless, according to Va. law anyway. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 16:54:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4JKsXk24007 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA24217; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:54:08 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021646; Fri, 19 May 00 16:51:20 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FUT00MP8RBU0I@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 852568E4.0072889A ; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:51:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:15:10 -0400 Subject: Re: What's the consensus--are wheelies reckless? To: DC Cycles Message-id: <852568E4.006F3620.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL That's not the way I read it. I posted the original msg about reckless being 60mph over the 35 limit, but I read the statute wrong ... I believe it means clocked at 60mph in a 35 is reckless, not 60mph over the posted 35. In any event, doesn't the final clause in the law say that you are reckless for 20 over in any posted limit (which would translate to 55 in a 35)? Hence what I was trying to get at earlier ... the way this is written is stupid. --chris To: Randy Moran DC Cycles cc: Subject: Re: What's the consensus--are wheelies reckless? --snip-- Oh, and the earlier post about 60mph over in a 35mph zone (95mph) is incorrect. In reading the statute, apparently one can be clocked at 59 in a 35 and not be 'reckless.' 60mph and over in a 35mph zone and you're reckless, according to Va. law anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 20:00:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4K001k27134 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 20:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts003d01.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.236.109] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:59:55 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Wheelies -> Reckless Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:00:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bfc1ee$57bbb5c0$6dec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Well, after having ridden with Tom a couple times (a few years ago).. I think it's pretty safe to assume that a cop could look at him sitting on a non-running bike and give him a reckless. What were we doing up I-80 coming back from a run on WV250/33? I think I saw triple digits for awhile then... and that was just One time. :P Hope you don't get nicked to badly in court. Brian McCoy P.S. - yea, I agree the wheelies and burnouts are reckless, even on a backroad with noone else around. but then again, I have a bike that likes to hug the ground, and tires are to expensive to be burning them off. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 19 23:37:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3104.mail.yahoo.com (web3104.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4K3bkk29952 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 23:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000520033739.1731.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.208.121] by web3104.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 May 2000 20:37:39 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan S. McClune" Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. 11 According to the State of Alaska DMV manual: Reckless is 10 pts. license is suspended at 12 pts in the same year Yes, in Virginia the wording of “Reckless Driving” may not be best all of the time but, at least if you get a citation you don’t have to drive like a nun for the rest of the year. In either case it is still a misdemeanor and that could translate into jail time. Does anyone know if there is anything in common between the states on how the points system is setup? More importantly if insurance companies take the differences into consideration? I would hate to think having my license suspended in one state would automatically give me the highest rate in another where my license would have not been suspended. and if this is off topic, kill the thread now. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 00:05:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4K45Kk00516 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000519112205.9351.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 May 2000 04:22:05 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 04:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: MD 2020, replacement for Cap1000 To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I haven't seen info about this ride posted to DC-Cycles, this is a posting off of the Concours Owners Group list, but since I know some DC-Cycles folks were thinking about doing the Capitol 1000, thought you might like to see this. Web page for further info is given at the bottom. Louis > Collective, > As you may know, I've been working with a bunch of > metro Balt-DC folks to put together a rally in place > of the cancelled Capitol 1000- the Mason Dixon 20-20. > > > If you have ever had the interest to try the 1000/24 > Iron Butt ride, this is your chance; don't pass it up. > Although not an official COG ride, I was personally > hoping for a decent COG turnout given the number of > Coggers in the Mid-Atlantic and South East regions- so > far there are only 5 Concours entries- disappointing. > > Here's the nutshell version of the MD2020: > *It is not a true LD Rally; you won't find yourself > needing a flashlight to scour over a War of 1812 > monument looking for a particular Sgt's first name. > *There are no winners or losers; only finishers. > There will be prizes, though. > *The route is preplanned, the required witnesses and > forms are provided; no additional work on your part- > show up and ride. > *No special equipment is needed. > *The route is not all superslab; the slab portion has > been reserved for later in the day and after dark. > *This should appeal to our "breed of riders": there > are about 300 miles of "double-yellow roads" on the > route, mostly in West Virginia and Ohio (this means > quality twisties). > *It's an "easy" 1000/24; riding with others helps (at > least I know it makes a difference to me). > *The projected distance is just about 1030 miles- so > it's not in the 1250+ mile "monster run" range. There > is sufficient time to get a decent sit-down dinner and > even some sleep if needed. > *Finishers automatically qualify for the IBA; repeat > IBAers move to the "Mile Eaters Club". > *An important COG concern; yes, there will be food. > *This is friendly challenge those west coast weenies > who are trying to establish a new "Group Saddlesore" > record in September. > *The rally's for a good cause- the Fran Crane Memorial > Fund. > > I realize long distance riding isn't for everybody; > this time last year, I was only day-dreaming about it- > now I've done three documented runs in the last 8 > months. > Personally, I do it for the challenge, to accomplish > that goal, to push myself a little bit more. It also > helps to know, that if you want to ride to say Brian > Head, Utah for the first Leg of the National, it's > only a day and a half away from DC....(Mountain Home > is now just a day trip). > > thanks for the bandwidth > Rick > Join the Mason Dixon 2020, a group Saddlesore Challenge- June 9-11. > http://MD-20-20.tripod.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 08:38:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KCckk10093 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.4e.5c8a6b0 (3871) for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:38:27 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4e.5c8a6b0.2657e143@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:38:27 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/19/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 I did a wheelie by mistake once and had sex without a condom...both in the same year I think....was that reckless? I think the sex was pretty good, so I dont think that would constitute neglegence....but if the condom had fallen off (if I had used one) while I was in the air...that probably would at least indicate poor planning...or perhaps improper use of a condom. I remember that my wheelie freaked me so much that I jammed on my rear brake and then slammed my face shield into the top edge of my windshield. Anyone on here want to but a snowmobile? email me diect for info if interested, Polaris 600 100 hp w/only 500 miles, trailer included (NOT sold seprately) about $4,500.00 -Jim zx11 From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 08:40:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from meer.meer.net (meer.meer.net [140.174.164.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KCevk10122 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from markandbonnie.com (pm3a-3.elkins.meer.net [216.206.137.3]) by meer.meer.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/meer) with ESMTP id FAA1377815 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 05:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39268D9B.4FB4DBAD@markandbonnie.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:07:49 -0400 From: mark Reply-To: mark@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: BIG RIDE questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well folks, we had a LOT of good responses for the BIG RIDE in the WV Mountain Highlands. It looks like the 1st weekend in September... which is absolutely a gorgeous time of year to ride... for those of you who are interested, would you prefer a "Motorcycle Mystery Tour" where we go to interesting places on great riding roads (I know them all) but you don't know where your going until you get there? Or, an itinerary that is posted on a website for everyone to vote on... and changed to fit the wishes of the group?. You can either post to the list or email me personally at mark@XXXXXX We can get really good group discounts. It would save money if we came up with an "all inclusive cost" that would include everything from lodging to attractions to dining.... the only thing we need to know early on is how many would join us so we can do all the logistics. I'll probably set up an interactive web site for this. Happy riding, Mark From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 09:29:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4KDTNk10745 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000520132908.4239.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.187] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 20 May 2000 06:29:08 PDT Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 06:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: "Ryan S. McClune" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Ryan S. McClune" wrote: > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > What a bullshit state you Virginians live in. 11 > > According to the State of Alaska DMV manual: > > Reckless is 10 pts. > license is suspended at 12 pts in the same year What you have failed to mention is what constitutes 'reckless' in Alaska.....that's the key to it. I've got $20 that says you can do 75 in a 55 in Alaska without getting those 10 pts. > Yes, in Virginia the wording of “Reckless Driving” > may not be best all of the time but, at least if you > get a citation you don’t have to drive like a nun > for the rest of the year. In either case it is still > a misdemeanor and that could translate into jail > time. Thanks for bringing this up....it used to be that moving violations were just that--violations (which are punishable by fine only). I don't get the trend toward criminal sanctions for vehicular offenses other than theft. > Does anyone know if there is anything in > common between the states on how the points > system is setup? More importantly if insurance > companies take the differences into consideration? 50 states=probably 50 different systems I understand why foreigners to the U.S. think the U.S. system of laws is downright silly. I doubt our founding fathers really envisioned a union of states with differing laws and differing penalties. Any history buffs out there? Insurance companies use their own formulas for calculating risk. That's why they come up with different premiums for the same individual. They also don't care what the state penalties are....they attach a value to each offense and use that value in their calculations. > I would hate to think having my license suspended > in one state would automatically give me the > highest rate in another where my license would > have not been suspended. > > and if this is off topic, kill the thread now. Nope....still on topic. Hey, did you go back to Alaska with your mother (the comment regarding the DMV handbook)? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 11:11:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KFBmk12026 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.f.40f4675 (3897) for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:11:39 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:11:38 EDT Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 > ... I doubt our > founding fathers really envisioned a union of states > with differing laws and differing penalties. Actually, that's exactly what they envisioned - to wit the 10th amendment to the Constitution which states that the Federal Government only has those powers which are ceded to it by the States. I.e. the States are the primary political units with a Federal Government acting as an intermediary and unifying body, primarily to facilitate trade and commerce. This pretty well held true until the WW2, when the Federal Government was given emergency powers for the war and sorta never gave them back. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 12:05:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KG5Dk12804 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-41.s295.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.41]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tBkU-0005e7-00; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:05:10 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: "Ryan S. McClune" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:08:59 GMT Message-ID: <3926e07e.103448350@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000520132908.4239.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000520132908.4239.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4KG5Qk12805 On Sat, 20 May 2000 06:29:08 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>are punishable by fine only). I don't get the trend |>toward criminal sanctions for vehicular offenses other |>than theft. I don't get it either. We already have laws that say if you hurt someone you go to jail, so now they want to create more jailable offenses even when you aren't risking hurting someone. |>system of laws is downright silly. I doubt our |>founding fathers really envisioned a union of states |>with differing laws and differing penalties. Any |>history buffs out there? I would imagine they did. On the flip side of your coin, it's not bad. When your state becomes assholish in it's laws you can move away. When enough states become assholish a civil war can erupt. Who would want the fedz enforcing tickets anyway, or creating assholish laws. (not that they don't {on both} already). |>> I would hate to think having my license suspended |>> in one state would automatically give me the |>> highest rate in another where my license would |>> have not been suspended. Yeah he'd want to be suspended? |>> and if this is off topic, kill the thread now. "Yes your highness." :) Daniel shoulda stayed out of this thread i think :) From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 12:39:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KGdjk13206 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-122.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.122]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08562 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001601bfc279$d980ee00$7aa4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Good Wheelie Story (was: First MC ticket....) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 12:38:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BFC258.4F21F7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BFC258.4F21F7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great minds ... Over on the Safety List (yes, that's the Safety List) appear comments of = bike pretzeling sparked by said-to-be turning-stoppies in Mission = Impossible II: This voyeur relays an hours-old comment: =20 --------- Subject: Snakebites > Some of the stunt riders will scrape their license plates doing = wheelies, > which means damn near vertical. One of the brit moto mags had a cover = photo > last year of a stoppie that was also close to vertical. The amount of > control is impressive. I saw a French trials/stunt rider who could do a series of back to back=20 snakebites - where the bike is wheelied right back past teh vertical and = retreived on hte footbrake. Did 4 successive ones before finishing by=20 stoppying to a halt. Very impressive.=20 This is hte same guy who can ride up the side of a VW microbus (No=20 ramps or other technology), perch on top for a few seconds and then ride = off - all without putting his feet down at any point. His holding a = stoppie alll=20 the way down a 20foot light of stairs is also bloody impressive. Modern trials riders are no longer human.=20 --------- And from a previous post there:=20 --------- I'll just point you to the http://www.lasvegasextremes.com for lots of = stoppies and other amazing and questionnable acts on motorcycles. :-) -------- Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Wheelies? Stoppies? My aching frame. Don't you dare. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BFC258.4F21F7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great minds ...
 
Over on the Safety List (yes, that's the Safety = List) appear=20 comments of bike pretzeling sparked by said-to-be turning-stoppies in = Mission=20 Impossible II:  This voyeur relays an = hours-old=20 comment: 
 
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    Subject: Snakebites
> Some = of the=20 stunt riders will scrape their license plates doing wheelies,
> = which=20 means damn near vertical. One of the brit moto mags had a cover = photo
>=20 last year of a stoppie that was also close to vertical. The amount = of
>=20 control is impressive.
I saw a French trials/stunt rider who could do = a=20 series of back to back
snakebites - where the bike is wheelied right = back=20 past teh vertical and
retreived on hte footbrake.  Did 4 = successive=20 ones before finishing by
stoppying to a halt. Very impressive. =
This is=20 hte same guy who can ride up the side of a VW microbus (No
ramps or = other=20 technology), perch on top for a few seconds and then ride
off - all = without=20 putting his feet down at any point. His holding a stoppie alll
the = way down=20 a 20foot light of stairs is also bloody impressive.
Modern trials = riders are=20 no longer human.
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And from a previous post there:
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I'll just point you to the http://www.lasvegasextremes.com<= /A> for=20 lots of stoppies and other amazing and questionnable acts on = motorcycles. =20 :-)
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Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Wheelies?  Stoppies?  My = aching=20 frame.  Don't you dare. 
Join the AMA.  Help protect = my=20 riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BFC258.4F21F7C0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 13:29:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KHTrk13859 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.172.12.226] (helo=chibamonkey.newspeak.org) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tD4Q-00027i-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:29:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000520132617.00b57200@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:28:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Cap1000??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Does anybody know what happened to the Cap1000? I know it was cancelled, but that was all I ever heard and now the web page is gone. Hmm. Bueller? Bueller? Those of you going on the MD20-20 have fun. I'd come but I have a commitment on Saturday. I was going to do the Cap, but after it was cancelled I made other plans before the MD was announced. Bummer. --wes From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 13:59:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KHxDk14240 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 20 May 2000 13:59:02 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: , Subject: RE: BIG RIDE questions Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:59:37 -0400 Message-ID: <007901bfc285$29e25180$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <39268D9B.4FB4DBAD@markandbonnie.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal I'd like to know where we're going in advance, so that if I can't do the entire ride I can decide where to break off and head out. BUT, I don't think you should put it up for a vote. You decide the route, let everyone know where and when, and if someone doesn't like it they don't have to come. If you put it up for discussion you'll never satisfy everyone. My 2 cents worth. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > -----Original Message----- > From: mark [mailto:mark@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 9:08 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: BIG RIDE questions > > > Well folks, we had a LOT of good responses for the BIG RIDE in the WV > Mountain Highlands. It looks like the 1st weekend in September... which > is absolutely a gorgeous time of year to ride... for those of you who > are interested, would you prefer a "Motorcycle Mystery Tour" where we go > to interesting places on great riding roads (I know them all) but you > don't know where your going until you get there? Or, an itinerary that > is posted on a website for everyone to vote on... and changed to fit the > wishes of the group?. You can either post to the list or email me > personally at mark@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 14:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KIC8k14451 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 20 May 2000 14:12:05 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Good Wheelie Story (was: First MC ticket....) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:12:40 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01bfc286$fc45c3e0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <001601bfc279$d980ee00$7aa4fccd@micron> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal And from a previous post there: --------- I'll just point you to the http://www.lasvegasextremes.com for lots of stoppies and other amazing and questionable acts on motorcycles. :-) The fact that most of these guys are doing their stunts helmetless brands them as squids, in my book. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 14:51:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KIpdk15032 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chpm3-2-87.olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.87]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:40:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: MJordan666@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 May 2000 MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > unifying body, primarily to facilitate trade and commerce. This pretty well > held true until the WW2, when the Federal Government was given emergency > powers for the war and sorta never gave them back. No sorta about it. The act that was passed at that time has never been unpassed. Technically, we are living very much in a state of emergency declared by FDR. -- George Howell "I ride for the same reason dogs stick their head out ghowell@XXXXXX of car windows" georgehowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX echelon block: kiddie porn, overthrow government, militia, anarchy, guns, knives, violence, bomb, explosive, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Branch Davidian, 2nd amendment, vengeance, Mafia, Delta Force, CIA, FBI, NSA. Enjoy! From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 14:51:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KIpek15034 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chpm3-2-87.olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.87]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:34:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:36:25 -0400 (EDT) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: "Ryan S. McClune" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... In-Reply-To: <20000520132908.4239.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 May 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > Thanks for bringing this up....it used to be that > moving violations were just that--violations (which > are punishable by fine only). I don't get the trend > toward criminal sanctions for vehicular offenses other > than theft. I think that traditionally, you have been forbidden to have a jury trial for traffic offenses, as it is a civil offense, and not a criminal one. In this instance (jail time possible) does that mean you can demand a jury trial? And if so, can the state find 12 jurors who will call a given speed violation 'reckless'? Remember, the defendant only needs one. BTW, I'm not a history nut, but I don't think the founding fathers envisioned a society where travel (and communication) was so easy. I imagine they expected a much more heterogenous society, where Massachusetts had situations that were very, VERY different from Georgia. I imagine one could look at slavery in that light. While it wasn't needed in the North, it was in the South (particularly after Eli Whitney's famous invention) Similar for travel: why enact (or allow the federal government to enact) uniform transportation laws when South Carolina was all a bunch of farms, yet portions of Maryland were highly populated (Note: I'm picking states out of thin air. But I hope the point is made) -- George Howell "I ride for the same reason dogs stick their head out ghowell@XXXXXX of car windows" georgehowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX echelon block: kiddie porn, overthrow government, militia, anarchy, guns, knives, violence, bomb, explosive, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Branch Davidian, 2nd amendment, vengeance, Mafia, Delta Force, CIA, FBI, NSA. Enjoy! From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 14:54:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KIsZk15067 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chpm3-2-87.olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.87]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:47:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:49:24 -0400 (EDT) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX cc: Tom Gimer , "Ryan S. McClune" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... In-Reply-To: <3926e07e.103448350@smtp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 May 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't get it either. We already have laws that say if you hurt > someone you go to jail, so now they want to create more jailable > offenses even when you aren't risking hurting someone. We actually have two sets of laws to allow jailable offenses: state and federal. So the state loses a murder case? No problem, try them for a civil rights violation. Yes, the government can have as many bites at the apple as they wish. That's what you get for not interpreting the intent of laws. > I would imagine they did. On the flip side of your coin, it's not bad. > When your state becomes assholish in it's laws you can move away. When > enough states become assholish a civil war can erupt. Who would want > the fedz enforcing tickets anyway, or creating assholish laws. (not > that they don't {on both} already). And look how the last one turned out? Not only were the concerns of the southern states (primarily states authority over the federal government, as best exemplified by slavery laws) never addressed, but they were essentially punished for speaking out (thank you Ulysses Grant, remind me to spit on your grave sometime) Also, don't forget the Million Mom March: many folks don't want you to have the armaments necessary to have a civil war. Sit down, shut up, watch tv and buy things. Those are your new rights as an American citizen (on a MC note: how long are they going to last when the Fed figures out that they don't have OBD-III? Better buy yourself a few bikes now, and keep 'em in good shape, because they ain't gonna be around forever. Gee, someday, EVERY biker will be an outlaw biker. Can't wait for my tattoos:) > Daniel > shoulda stayed out of this thread i think :) But it's a rainy Saturday, what else is there to do? -- George Howell "I ride for the same reason dogs stick their head out ghowell@XXXXXX of car windows" georgehowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX echelon block: kiddie porn, overthrow government, militia, anarchy, guns, knives, violence, bomb, explosive, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Branch Davidian, 2nd amendment, vengeance, Mafia, Delta Force, CIA, FBI, NSA. Enjoy! From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 17:25:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KLPrk17115 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-41.s295.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.41]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tGko-0002cV-00; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:25:50 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: George Howell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:29:42 GMT Message-ID: <39272a71.122382226@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4KLQDk17116 On Sat, 20 May 2000 18:49:24 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: |>civil rights violation. Yes, the government can have as many bites at the |>apple as they wish. That's what you get for not interpreting the intent of |>laws. Gov't is the biggest organised crime raquet going. : ) That's why they made rico statutes, they don't like the competition :) |>Also, don't forget the Million Mom March: many folks don't want you to I was under the impression that they were for locking guns away from kids, not taking guns away. Of course I didn't attend, only saw one interview on news4. I thought the NRA sponsored it? |>have the armaments necessary to have a civil war. Sit down, shut up, watch |>tv and buy things. Those are your new rights as an American citizen (on a That sounds about right. |>MC note: how long are they going to last when the Fed figures out that |>they don't have OBD-III? Better buy yourself a few bikes now, and keep 'em |>in good shape, because they ain't gonna be around forever. Gee, someday, |>EVERY biker will be an outlaw biker. Can't wait for my tattoos:) what is an OBD-III? Of course I can imagine the gov't making bikes have speed governers.. 0-60 in 3 seconds and them BAM no more accelleration. A top end of 60 mph. Oh wonderful happy happy joy joy. I'm sure they'll allow us to ride (non motorized) bikes if we pay taxes on them.. you know, we must have a specialized bike tax, we wouldnt' want the transit system (backed by gov't) losing money now would we... because you know.. WE would be DEPRIVING them.. |>But it's a rainy Saturday, what else is there to do? Good point.. but i'm a procrastinator. I have plenty to do now that it's not a lovely riding day too good to waste on 'doing things' instead of riding. heheh. yet what am i doing now? procrastinating Daniel someone organize an event..guns bikes and babes.. sounds like a fun weekend to me. :) hehe From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 18:40:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KMeJk18154 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02679 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:40:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000520183717.00add6a0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:40:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: First MC ticket....constitution...etc.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My one and only post on this subject shall be.... How far can the Feds stretch the 'Interstate Commerce' bullshit? I'm sure that if my dog were to crap on a Senator's lawn, and I left it there, it would somehow impede Interstate Commerce. These two words have empowered the government to control and tax pretty much any damn thing they please. Totally no MC content. Sorry. Oh wait - some content. I got my D&D slip-on installed, and it is LOUD. I now have John's mirror bike in Red, but I am saving up for the pretty blue paint job. At 11:11 AM 5/20/2000 , MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: >Actually, that's exactly what they envisioned - to wit the 10th amendment to >the Constitution which states that the Federal Government only has those >powers which are ceded to it by the States. I.e. the States are the primary >political units with a Federal Government acting as an intermediary and >unifying body, primarily to facilitate trade and commerce. This pretty well >held true until the WW2, when the Federal Government was given emergency >powers for the war and sorta never gave them back. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 19:37:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4KNbOk19148 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-44.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.108]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09206; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39274C2F.68CC5EAD@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:38:39 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Mark Kitchell , Danny Thompson , Bryan Roach Subject: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The DC Cycles crew went 4-for-4 at CSS@VIR on Friday, May 19th. In the following order -- Mark Kitchell, myself, Danny Thompson, and Bryan Roach -- all managed to crash. Fortunately, none of the crashes were serious and no one was hurt (maybe slightly bruised egos and pride). In Bryan's case, he did it during the last session of the day. Mark and I managed to do it during the very first session of the day. And Danny's happened during the second-to-last session. I'll let everyone else decide what they want to say about their own experience (if anything), but here's mine... Mine happened after riding a lap with/following chief riding instructor Cobie Fair. This was the first session of the day which meant 4th gear, no brakes. And the drill was to roll the throttle on through the turn. Cobie was trying to get me to roll the throttle on a little sooner for better drive through/out of the turn. So after riding with him and a little pep talk, I took his words of advice to heart. After the corkscrew (can you say Laguna Seca?), I went into the hairpin/180. I know I was rolling the throttle on because that's what Cobie said to do. And I know I was looking through the turn to where I wanted to go. In fact, everything felt "right". And then in the next instant (with no warning), I was sliding. In fact, I didn't even know right away that I wasn't riding a motorcycle anymore! It was definitely a very strange sensation/experience -- from riding to sliding in a blink of an eye! I was so relaxed (thinking I was riding) that once I realized what was happening (and it took me more than a moment to figure out I wasn't riding anymore!) I just let myself slide without fighting it. Once I came to a full and complete stop at the outside edge of the track, I was able to walk over to my bike (in the grass on the outside of the turn) and hit the kill switch. A few moments later, Cobie Fair was on the side of the track with me getting the bike back up, checked to make sure there were no fluid leaks, and started back up again. This was my first crash on a m/c. I'm glad it happened on the track. And I'm glad it happened the way it did. It was about as "forgiving" a crash as I can imagine having. I always imagined that crashing would be the result of doing something terribly wrong and boneheaded and that the results would be severe. The post-crash assessment of what happened (after talking with Cobie Fair and Keith Code) is that I probably just got a little over agressive with my steering input. I know it didn't feel like it happened from having too much speed. Cobie thinks I just rode the bike off its wheels. It's really very simple: too much steering input = too much lean angle = riding off the edge of the tires. DOH! I'm pretty sure this is exactly what happened. Wish someone had caught this on video because then I could watch myself just like I've seen it happen to the GP and WSB guys! %^) BTW, everything seemed like it was in slo-mo when it happened. Fortunately, the damage as a result of my little adventure with the pavement was minimal. I have no real injuries to speak of. I have a strawberry/raspberry on my left arm just below my elbow (neosporin and Second Skin come in handy!) My upper left arm/shoulder/neck and lower back is a little sore. I feel no worse than I do after some of my crashes bicycle racing (which happens with essentially zero protective gear other than a helmet). I have some scuff marks on my leathers. I can at least attest to the fact that my "low end" AGV Rage 2-piece suit can hold up to a moderate speed (I have no idea how fast I was going, but I'm going to guess in the neighborhood of about 50mph or so) lowside crash/slide. Some light scuffing of my (new) AGV Carbon 7 gloves. And some light scuffing of my (new) Alpinestars GP Tech boots. I didn't hit my head on anything so my helmet came through unblemished. So basically all my protective equipment worked the way it's supposed to. The only thing that actually broke on my m/c ('93 GSXR 750) was my front left turn signal. The ironic thing was that when I brought the bike over to Bryan Roach's to have him haul down to VIR (thanks again Bryan!) I thought about removing the turn signals (but decided to just tape them up instead). The leftside fairing is scraped up but not broken or cracked. Some scraping of the tailpiece. And the left bar end is ground down a bit (I highly recommend bar ends/sliders!) So the damage is really cosmetic and is something that can be made to look pretty again. In the meantime, I will wear my battle scars with pride! %^) Thanks to all the DC Cycles guys and other folks who provided words of encouragement after my little mishap. That helped a lot to not get down (or worry about) how my bike looked. More importantly, just reinforced that I needed to get back out and ride (without being scared about what happened) and not crash. Besides, scuff marks on leathers are cool, right? %^) Fortunately, my crash (and everyone else's) did not result in an end to my day of riding at CSS (for those that don't know, the basic CSS policy is that if you crash, that's the end of your day riding). I have to say extra special "thank yous" to Cobie Fair and Michelle (the young lady in charge of track control and who has the final say on whether you get to ride or not), for giving me the OK to go back out and ride (after Will, the mechanic, checked out my bike to make sure nothing was wrong -- his prognosis: go hose your bike down because it looks really nasty with all that grass stuck in the fairing!) I wanted/needed to ride (especially through that hairpin) after the crash to restore whatever confidence may have been eroded by the crash. Without Cobie's and Michelle's OK, I wouldn't have been able to complete my day at CSS. All in all, CSS@VIR was a VERY POSITIVE learning experience. It was my first time on a track, so I wasn't so much concerned with overall speed (my lap times were in the 2 minute range with a best lap of 1:59 and I think one of the reasons for these "slow" times is because I generally didn't open it up full bore on the straights -- of course, it could be that I'm just slow!) Instead, I was more concerned with learning and doing what we were taught. By the end of the day, I felt smoother, faster, and more confident so I focused more on going through the corners rather than just going fast. I'm sure that if I went back to VIR and rode the same course, I could ride faster lap times if that was my goal (rather than specifically focusing on going through the corners). The single best/most important thing I learned (from Cobie Fair): to change my turn exit line/point. Apparently, I was holding very tight lines to the inside of the turn after the apex (and this may be why I got a little over agressive with the steering input on the hairpin). Cobie got me to hit my apex and let the bike run a wider line to the outside of the exit. The result: better drive and speed exiting the turn. Cool! %^) I learned a tremendous amount. And know that I have a lot more to learn. Riding on the track was a great experience. I highly recommend CSS (or at least some sort of track school) for anyone who wants to learn how to corner better/faster. You don't have to be interested in racing. You just have to want to be a better rider. The track is the absolute best place to learn this stuff. And it will make you a better street rider. I hope I am able to take CSS Level Two next year (Cobie Fair wants me on the slide machine!) Chuck P.S. No, I didn't get to the point where I could drag knee ... my aforementioned slide in the hairpin after the corkscrew not withstanding! %^) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 20:10:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4L0Ask20018 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 20:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.22.74] (sdn-ar-002dcwashP272.dialsprint.net [168.191.22.74]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08308 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005210010.RAA08308@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:57:22 -0400 Subject: Re:first MC ticket...getting off topic From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit here's a couple links to some good info on the whole situation ... (I just wrote a paper on this very subject) http://www.cwfa.org/library/misc/1999-12_pp_eo-dictator.shtml http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-wo102799.html >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. [Remove the "spamblocker" to reply] ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/20/00 >Date: Sat, May 20, 2000, 7:00 PM > > No sorta about it. The act that was passed at that time has never been > unpassed. Technically, we are living very much in a state of emergency > declared by FDR. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 20:24:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4L0Nxk20487 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 20:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000521002348.18979.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.214] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:23:48 PDT Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: First MC ticket....constitution...etc.... To: Mike T , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mike T wrote: > My one and only post on this subject shall be.... > > How far can the Feds stretch the 'Interstate > Commerce' bullshit? I'm sure > that if my dog were to crap on a Senator's lawn, and > I left it there, it > would somehow impede Interstate Commerce. These two > words have empowered > the government to control and tax pretty much any > damn thing they please. If you are really interested in this topic, check out the Supreme Court opinion in U.S. v. Lopez, where a law imposing additional penalties for carrying a weapon on school grounds was deemed unconstitutional (it had been passed with the Commerce Clause as its legislative basis). The Court hopefully started a trend with this opinion....Congress' ability to pass laws in areas which have 'an effect' on interstate commerce may be scrutinized more closely in the future. What sucks is that Congress will continue to pass laws in the meantime, and a challenge needs to take place through the court system. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 20:51:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4L0p5k20859 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 20:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-41.s295.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.41]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tJxO-0002QV-00; Sat, 20 May 2000 20:51:03 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: DC Cycles , Mark Kitchell , Danny Thompson , Bryan Roach Subject: Re: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 03:54:55 GMT Message-ID: <39275d61.135423931@smtp.erols.com> References: <39274C2F.68CC5EAD@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <39274C2F.68CC5EAD@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4L0pCk20860 That's an interesting story charles. Glad to hear you're okay : ) What type of tires (and size) do you have mounted and what tire pressures do you usually use? I'm just curious to add to my own general knowledge. Is it possible that you weren't countersteering through the turn? Oh and how much did that trackschool cost? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 21:04:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (web213.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4L14sk21032 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 21:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26308 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2000 01:04:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000521010451.26307.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.17.43.80] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:04:51 PDT Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:04:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Just Bought a VFR800!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all - I just purchased an all stock, 98 VFR800 (3150 low miles!) this morning. So the day started out AWESOME, but then it couldn't have been more disappointing the rest of the day, as I kept it garaged all day long due to the cruddy weather we had!! I wanted so bad to cruise, but was really irked by the timing of the purchase and the weather situation. Oh well!! Anyways, 2 questions: First of all, I hear there's a VFR-specific D.C. area mail list...any of you aware of this?? Secondly, re there any other VFR'ers out there on this site? I'd be interested in talking, maybe getting together for some rides. In fact, I'd love to get together with anyone for some rides (of course, when the weather clears up). I live in Arlington, but certainly willing on cruising anywhere at this point...I just want to ride!! Btw - heading to Carpool in 30 minutes...DC-Cycles' favorite bar!! Glenn Braunstein 1999 Yamaha V-Star 1100 1998 VFR 800 (Boy it feels great to now say that!!!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 21:50:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4L1o2k21654 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 21:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id u.5b.61a81c5 (3974); Sat, 20 May 2000 21:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5b.61a81c5.26589abd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:49:49 EDT Subject: Re: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Ok... Yeah, so I threw a brand new, Y2k, shiny ZX-6R through T7 :) (They say off-camber, right-hand, decreasing radius turns build character ya know...). Took level 2 and Level 3 on Thurs and Friday... got a lot of personalized instruction from Cobie and James which I think we REALLY help this season - can't wait for Indy. I also got a rash of shit from the aforementioned head instructor and Michelle (course control) for pitching the bike in T7. Basically... they let a few of us out for an "extra session" after class on Friday... no rules, except no wheelies or stopies. I quickly learned the difference between Dunlop D207 F (street tires which they use on their bikes) and D207gp race tires. After some spirited riding (pretty much close to race pace, with full braking and cornering) I came into T7, geared down into 2nd, opened the throttle, pitched it in for a late apex and cranked it over.... the tires just let go and I came off the pegs. Oops. I tried valiantly to pull a maneuver that works on a FZR400 where you simply push the bike back up with your inside knee... all this did was produce a really interesting scrape pattern on the track through T7 (A strange swooping pattern). I finally decided this was simply futile and threw the bike away from me. Picked up the bike, rode it back to the pits... nothing hurt but my pride really... I was only going about 55-60mph and was so close to the ground already there wasn't very far to fall. Upon returning to the pits I was given a rash of shit, including having Cobie laugh and say, "(LOL) you crashed?? Fucking squid...". All and all I think a great time was had by all. I'll be going back for Lev 4 as soon as my schedule (and theirs) permits. Again, even if you're not interested in racing, the CSS is a GREAT school, and will improve your ability to ride a motorcycle, as well as your confidence while doing so. All the info is available at... http://www.superbikeschool.com - Bri From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 21:50:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4L1okk21666 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 21:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA25838; Sat, 20 May 2000 21:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001d01bfc2c7$0420c480$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "Glenn Braunstein" , References: <20000521010451.26307.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Just Bought a VFR800!! Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:50:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Jeannette and I both ride early "Superbike" VFRs.. .made back when the VFR was more a racer than a tourer. We love to ride when we can and we're both in Arlington so look us up when you want to go out on a ride. There are a few listers here with VFRs so you have defintely come to the right place! Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Braunstein" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: Just Bought a VFR800!! > Hey all - > > I just purchased an all stock, 98 VFR800 (3150 low > miles!) this morning. So the day started out AWESOME, > but then it couldn't have been more disappointing the > rest of the day, as I kept it garaged all day long due > to the cruddy weather we had!! I wanted so bad to > cruise, but was really irked by the timing of the > purchase and the weather situation. Oh well!! > > Anyways, 2 questions: > First of all, I hear there's a VFR-specific D.C. area > mail list...any of you aware of this?? > Secondly, re there any other VFR'ers out there on this > site? I'd be interested in talking, maybe getting > together for some rides. In fact, I'd love to get > together with anyone for some rides (of course, when > the weather clears up). I live in Arlington, but > certainly willing on cruising anywhere at this > point...I just want to ride!! > > Btw - heading to Carpool in 30 minutes...DC-Cycles' > favorite bar!! > > Glenn Braunstein > 1999 Yamaha V-Star 1100 > 1998 VFR 800 (Boy it feels great to now say that!!!) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 22:20:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4L2KZk22075 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03010 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:20:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000520221659.00adf800@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:20:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Just Bought a VFR800!! In-Reply-To: <20000521010451.26307.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:04 PM 5/20/2000 , Glenn Braunstein wrote: >Anyways, 2 questions: >First of all, I hear there's a VFR-specific D.C. area >mail list...any of you aware of this?? Congrats on the purchase. I don't know about a DC specific VFR list, but many dc-cycles people are on the VF/VFR list. Link below. http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ Be prepared for high volume mail. May want a separate account (or is your Yahoo! account for junk mail?) or the digest version. Most of it is on topic though. I try to be active on that list - set up a survey and selling VFR stickers shortly. Info on my page below. The weather is pissing me off. I really want to run the new D&D pipe, but I had my fill of rain and hail riding last week 8-/ _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 23:10:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4L3ARk22678 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-09.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.137]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23755; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39277E24.2AD8A7EF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:11:48 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) References: <39274C2F.68CC5EAD@ix.netcom.com> <39275d61.135423931@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel, > What type of tires (and size) do you have mounted and what tire > pressures do you usually use? I'm just curious to add to my own > general knowledge. Bridgestone BT56SS. 120/70-17 front, 180/55-17 rear. For "street" riding, I've been going with 32psi front, 34 psi rear. At CSS, they (i.e., the tech folks) had my tires at 32psi front, 30 psi rear. First time I'd ever heard of rear tire pressure being lower than front, but that's what they set them at. I asked and they said those were the right pressures for the track (i.e., VIR). As someone with zero, squat, nada prior track experience, who am I to argue with them? %^) > Is it possible that you weren't countersteering through the turn? I would be extremely surprised if I wasn't countersteering through the turn (but I am willing to admit that anything is possible). If I wasn't countersteering, I don't know/see how I could've (a) been going as fast as I was going, (b) been as deep into the turn as I was, and (c) been able to drop the bike into the turn at the lean angle I was at. BTW, the best "witness" to my little adventure was the "professional" photographer who happened to be parked at the inside of the turn at the time. Unfortunately, because I hadn't talked to him before we got started (I didn't know we had to), he wasn't looking for my number to take pics of me. Otherwise, I'm sure he could've gotten either a great before or just-as-it-happened action photo! %^) > Oh and how much did that trackschool cost? CSS Level One using your own m/c cost $365. You can rent their ZX-6Rs, but I don't know for how much (Mark Kitchell and Bryan Roach would know since they did). I would probably rent if I do CSS again. Not because of any fears of another crash. But because it's just easier (especially if you don't have a trailer -- and I have to say "thank you" again to Bryan Roach for hauling my GSXR) not having to deal with hauling a m/c to/from. Regards, Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 23:23:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4L3Nik22867 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-09.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.137]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26997 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39278143.644AD688@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:25:07 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) References: <5b.61a81c5.26589abd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > was only going about 55-60mph and was so close to the ground already there > wasn't very far to fall. This was the same for my crash/fall. I was leaned over far enough that when I (unintentionally) transitioned to leaned over too much, it didn't feel like much of a fall because I didn't have very far to go. In that sense, it was kinda "cool"! %^) Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat May 20 23:43:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4L3huk23123 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id u.14.3dca3bd (4334); Sat, 20 May 2000 23:43:43 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14.3dca3bd.2658b56f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:43:43 EDT Subject: Re: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/20/00 11:15:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > At CSS, they > (i.e., the tech folks) had my tires at 32psi front, 30 psi rear. First > time I'd ever heard of rear tire pressure being lower than front, but > that's what they set them at. This is pretty common on a race track. You run a higher pressure on your front tire because you tend to load it up quite a bit. On my 400 superbike I run Bridgestone slicks with 29psi front and 28psi rear. All that deceleration takes a toll on the front tire and you do NOT want it overheating. Running 28/28 I found I was chewing up the front tire quite a bit. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 06:26:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LAQQk11434 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 06:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-41.s295.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.41]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tSwC-0007V0-00; Sun, 21 May 2000 06:26:24 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Charles V. Pena" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:30:21 GMT Message-ID: <3927e123.169158616@smtp.erols.com> References: <5b.61a81c5.26589abd@aol.com> <39278143.644AD688@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <39278143.644AD688@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4LAQjk11435 |>> was only going about 55-60mph and was so close to the ground already there |>> wasn't very far to fall. |> |>This was the same for my crash/fall. I was leaned over far enough that |>when I (unintentionally) transitioned to leaned over too much, it didn't |>feel like much of a fall because I didn't have very far to go. In that |>sense, it was kinda "cool"! %^) Actually I asked my question wrong about countersteering. We all know to ride the bike in a lean it is countersteered. What I meant to say was, do you remember at all feeling like you JUST HAD TO change your line/steering and when you went to steer you hit the ground? When I went down on the 295N to 50 west exit ramp, I was going faster than the bike in front of me (because I thought i had left plenty of room for the bike to get through the turn before i enterd it). Midway through the curve I started approaching the bike in front of me. . When my front started to approach the bikes rear, my mind said "go around" but I think quickness of the moment my reaction was to just steer instead of countersteer, which really turned out to be countersteering very hard, And I think I countersteered myself right into the ground LOL. but I was only doing about 20 mph i'm guessing. It wasn't a bad fall at all. Slightly sore hip and the helmet did it's job with only a 3 second headache after I got up. The bike slid down the road, but there was no real damage other than scraping and slight fork misalignment. I chalk it up to the ego syndrom of "so you think you knwo how to ride now, I think i'll "take" this curve"... I wasn't doing it at every curve, but I was just in the mood for that one. Of course the pavement is also slick there, and I rolled off the throttle so no wonder. So it was either over steering or overloaded front tire. It's nice to know I learned something from the incident : ) But at the time, i mean shortly after the "accident", the cause wasnt exactly right at the tip of my tongue but upon some reflection of a little bit of time I think my memory improved. Maybe you'll figure out exactly what happened with you. :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 06:39:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LAdQk11639 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 06:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-41.s295.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.41]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tT8m-0000du-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 21 May 2000 06:39:24 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:43:21 GMT Message-ID: <3928e57d.170272961@smtp.erols.com> References: <14.3dca3bd.2658b56f@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <14.3dca3bd.2658b56f@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4LAdRk11640 On Sat, 20 May 2000 23:43:43 EDT, you wrote: |>front tire because you tend to load it up quite a bit. On my 400 superbike I |>run Bridgestone slicks with 29psi front and 28psi rear. All that deceleration I always thought tire pressure affects handling.. like.. more pressure makes the bike want to lean quicker.. and less pressure makes the bike want to stand straight up and not lean...and less pressure, seems liek the tire would be less firm in the curve and more likely to "give" way and flex.. or maybe that's only when tire pressure is way too low. I haven't ridden any turns on any race track, so I don't know if some of those curves make you just throw the bike over... but.. I like to be smooth in turns, not some quick lean over... I like a gradual lean over.. I'd be afraid the quick throwing the bike over is more likely to make the tires slip out. So what happens when a tire overheats? and is heating the real concern with tire pressure or does it affect firmness in the curve as well? If I want a real firm feel for my tires going through the curve, do I want a lower or higher amount of pressure (within the recommend range)? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 06:44:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LAirk11715 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 06:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tTE3-000371-00; Sun, 21 May 2000 06:44:51 -0400 Message-ID: <002901bfc311$9484e160$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <39268D9B.4FB4DBAD@markandbonnie.com> Subject: Re: BIG RIDE questions Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 06:44:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Well, I'm planning on being there for the ride no matter what you do. However, the Motorcycle Mystery Tour sounds like more fun. Maybe what we could do is keep the actual roads we're riding on a secret but have the major "pit stops" known and scheduled. That way people could break off or join up at those points while still keeping the main ride a surprise? How's that sound? Count me in for 1 person (myself) but the likely hood of my GF either having her own bike by then or riding pillion are extremely likely... I'd ask her but she's out of town on buisness. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: mark To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 9:07 AM Subject: BIG RIDE questions > Well folks, we had a LOT of good responses for the BIG RIDE in the WV > Mountain Highlands. It looks like the 1st weekend in September... which > is absolutely a gorgeous time of year to ride... for those of you who > are interested, would you prefer a "Motorcycle Mystery Tour" where we go > to interesting places on great riding roads (I know them all) but you > don't know where your going until you get there? Or, an itinerary that > is posted on a website for everyone to vote on... and changed to fit the > wishes of the group?. You can either post to the list or email me > personally at mark@XXXXXX > > We can get really good group discounts. It would save money if we came > up with an "all inclusive cost" that would include everything from > lodging to attractions to dining.... the only thing we need to know > early on is how many would join us so we can do all the logistics. I'll > probably set up an interactive web site for this. > > Happy riding, > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 06:50:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LAoAk11850 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 06:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-41.s295.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.41]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tTJA-0002So-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 21 May 2000 06:50:08 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cornering question Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:54:05 GMT Message-ID: <3927e82c.170960386@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4LAoDk11851 I hear people talk about the weight of bikes.. some say the zx7r is the best for the curves, and some say the gsxr 750 is the best.. one is really heavy one is really light.. which is best? i'm under the impression that a lighter bike would feel more comfortable the more you lean.. Also it's my logic that, no matter what a bikes weight is, the factor that's bringing it back up to straighten up, isn't your weight and bike weight, but instead it's the steering, you steer the bike up.. and I would think the weight isnt' an issue? Just the logic in my brain says your 150 or so pounds on a footpeg isnt' going to stand a 350+ pound bike up. However I must admit I dont' know, and i'm here asking the question to learn. what exactly are the pro's and cons of bike weight? I know power wheelies are fun if controlled perfectly, yet I also know I don't like headshake which comes from a lot of power and a light front end and quick accelleration. I personally can live without wheelies and headshake. So who wants to contribute to the bike weight discussion? :) I know less weight = more top end speed.. but i'm talking about 1>curves and 2>practicallity.. is lighter better? : ) I'm under the umbreller' of I want my bikes to be light, to feel lighter while leaned over, and day to day meanuvering :) And God forbid the bike is dropped Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 07:23:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LBNmk12258 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 07:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tTpi-0007Lu-00; Sun, 21 May 2000 07:23:46 -0400 Message-ID: <004901bfc317$04eb3210$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <3927e82c.170960386@smtp.erols.com> Subject: Re: cornering question Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 07:23:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I've never heard anyone say the ZX7R is the "best" for cornering. I would definitely say the GSXR 750 is a great handling bike. Maybe not the best, but DAMN good. Too bad it's the squid bike of choice, and 90% of the people who ride them never do what those bikes were meant to do. CORNER. In my not-so-professional opinion, I would think that any rider would always want the lightest bike they can get. A light bike would have MANY advantages. A lighter bike would be easier to lean over. A lighter bike would be quicker to attain said lean. A lighter bike would easier and smoother to make small steering adjustments while already in the turn. Easier to stand back up. etc. etc. Also, a lighter bike carries less lateral momentum through a turn, therefore putting less load on the tires, leaving more of the bikes total "grip" available for traction. For example, assuming the same rider on the same turn with the same entry, apex, and exit point. A heavy bike going at 100 mph, leans into the turn. The momentum of that bike wants to pull the bike back upright and run wide. The tires need to overcome that and keep the bike going around the turn. A light bike going the same speed, has LESS momentum even though the speed is the same, because the bike weighs less. A lighter bike has more traction left to play with, allowing him/her to lean farther for even sharper or faster turns. Hence, it's a better handling and overall faster bike through the turns. That's why all the bikes they use in the races are all stripped down, feather weight version of what we ride on the street, or specially made lighter-than-you-thought-was-possible-works-of-art. Lighter is better for handling. Period. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 9:54 AM Subject: cornering question I hear people talk about the weight of bikes.. some say the zx7r is the best for the curves, and some say the gsxr 750 is the best.. one is really heavy one is really light.. which is best? i'm under the impression that a lighter bike would feel more comfortable the more you lean.. Also it's my logic that, no matter what a bikes weight is, the factor that's bringing it back up to straighten up, isn't your weight and bike weight, but instead it's the steering, you steer the bike up.. and I would think the weight isnt' an issue? Just the logic in my brain says your 150 or so pounds on a footpeg isnt' going to stand a 350+ pound bike up. However I must admit I dont' know, and i'm here asking the question to learn. what exactly are the pro's and cons of bike weight? I know power wheelies are fun if controlled perfectly, yet I also know I don't like headshake which comes from a lot of power and a light front end and quick accelleration. I personally can live without wheelies and headshake. So who wants to contribute to the bike weight discussion? :) I know less weight = more top end speed.. but i'm talking about 1>curves and 2>practicallity.. is lighter better? : ) I'm under the umbreller' of I want my bikes to be light, to feel lighter while leaned over, and day to day meanuvering :) And God forbid the bike is dropped Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 09:18:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3201.mail.yahoo.com (web3201.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.198]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4LDIXk13668 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 09:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000521131819.29415.qmail@web3201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.188.47.226] by web3201.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 06:18:19 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 06:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: MC Crash in Myrtle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nothing bugs me more than being faced with the realities inherent with our sport/hobby, but I wanted to throw out another reminder to keep your attention focused on the task at hand while out on a ride. My Dad was headed down to Myrtle Beach with the Blue Knights last Thursday. 11 bikes, 13 riders tooling down a 2 lane SC backroad on their way to a week of fun and sun. A pick up truck was slowing down to make a left up ahead, and was stopping quickly. The bikes are all heavy Harleys rolling in staggered formation at a solid 60 mph. My Dad grabbed the binders realizing it was going to be a spirited, but controllable, stop. As his speedo dropped through 40 mph he checked his mirrors to see how the frieght train behind him was handling it. The rider/passenger combo directly behind him had not even noticed the impending stop and was coming on strong. He eased over to the right as they bore down on him. The next thing he saw in his mirrors was the bike behind him transition into a panic stop, lock up, and slide into an oncoming Ford towing a boat. My Dad was hit from behind by a bike as well, and thrown to the ground, earning a trip to the hospital and a new determination to always wear his helmet (he had stowed it at the last stop) My dad is fine, sprained ankle and some nasty cuts to his face, and a stove in front end on his pride and joy, but the passenger on the bike behind him did not survive. The rider of that bike is is in critical condition after missing contact with he truck by inches. Just keep your head up, especially with a passenger. I cant guess what happened, but he may have been chatting, or enjoying the spring day and the surrounding scenenry, two things I've done many a time. ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 10:09:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LE9Uk14323 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 10:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-36.patriot.net [209.249.180.36]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09130; Sun, 21 May 2000 10:09:08 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3927ECC4.C266F24C@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 10:03:48 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JEM Racing CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Crash in Myrtle References: <20000521131819.29415.qmail@web3201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad to hear your Dad survuved without serious injury - sad to hear about the other rider. Full time and attention is requirement while driving anything, and I reckon your Dad is now a helmet lover. But I have some further input from personal experiance: Group rides are fun, but in my humble opinion (IMHO) staggered formations have a limited use. Sort of okay while on a super-slab or limited access four-lane hiwy. In a city, suburbia, or two-lane country roads, staggered formations are dangerous - IMHO. No place to run, no place to hide, as the formation removes the usual motorcycle option of moving around in your lane to avoid problems. Also, it only takes one rider's missattention to turn a stop or even a slow-down into a disastor, not my opinion, a fact. So, keep head in the game and your eyes scanning, and as Jonathon said, PAY ATTENTION! Staying alive is a full time job. Bill a loner for good reason... JEM Racing wrote: > Nothing bugs me more than being faced with the > realities inherent with our sport/hobby, but I wanted > to throw out another reminder to keep your attention > focused on the task at hand while out on a ride. My > Dad was headed down to Myrtle Beach with the Blue > Knights last Thursday. 11 bikes, 13 riders tooling > down a 2 lane SC backroad on their way to a week of > fun and sun. A pick up truck was slowing down to make > a left up ahead, and was stopping quickly. The bikes > are all heavy Harleys rolling in staggered formation > at a solid 60 mph. My Dad grabbed the binders > realizing it was going to be a spirited, but > controllable, stop. As his speedo dropped through 40 > mph he checked his mirrors to see how the frieght > train behind him was handling it. The rider/passenger > combo directly behind him had not even noticed the > impending stop and was coming on strong. He eased over > to the right as they bore down on him. The next thing > he saw in his mirrors was the bike behind him > transition into a panic stop, lock up, and slide into > an oncoming Ford towing a boat. My Dad was hit from > behind by a bike as well, and thrown to the ground, > earning a trip to the hospital and a new determination > to always wear his helmet (he had stowed it at the > last stop) My dad is fine, sprained ankle and some > nasty cuts to his face, and a stove in front end on > his pride and joy, but the passenger on the bike > behind him did not survive. The rider of that bike is > is in critical condition after missing contact with he > truck by inches. Just keep your head up, especially > with a passenger. I cant guess what happened, but he > may have been chatting, or enjoying the spring day and > the surrounding scenenry, two things I've done many a > time. > > ===== > Jonathan Broga > JEM Racing CCS #502 > Sponsored By: > http://www.centurypool.com > http://www.speed-werks.com > http://www.elfmoto.com > http://www.loudounmotorsports.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 10:51:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LEpVk14869 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 10:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id l.38.63896db (3970); Sun, 21 May 2000 10:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <38.63896db.265951e5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 10:51:17 EDT Subject: Re: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/21/00 6:40:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > So what happens when a tire overheats? It stops working. This is usually referred to a tire becoming "greasy". Basically it just starts sliding. > and is heating the real concern > with tire pressure or does it affect firmness in the curve as well? > If I want a real firm feel for my tires going through the curve, do I > want a lower or higher amount of pressure (within the recommend > range)? Tire pressure (within reason - not something like 20psi) will not have an impact on street riding. Unless you're cold tearing or overheating your tires on the street, then your temps are just fine. Street tires have a lower and broader operating temperature than race tires, and the manufacturer's suggestions for psi should put you in that range. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 10:54:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LEskk14879 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 10:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09164 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 10:54:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000521105246.00aea640@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 10:54:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: MC Crash in Myrtle In-Reply-To: <3927ECC4.C266F24C@patriot.net> References: <20000521131819.29415.qmail@web3201.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:03 AM 5/21/2000 , Bill Huson wrote: >No place to run, no >place to hide, as the formation removes the usual motorcycle option of >moving around in your lane to avoid problems. Also, it only takes one >rider's missattention to turn a stop or even a slow-down into a >disastor, not my opinion, a fact. I partially agree, but even in formation you can swerve in your lane. Staggered doesn't mean overlapping. At least, it shouldn't. Big groups can be a lot more dangerous - and a lot more fun on the super slab. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 10:58:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LEwKk14963 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 10:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id l.4e.5d1876f (3970); Sun, 21 May 2000 10:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4e.5d1876f.26595335@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 10:56:53 EDT Subject: Re: cornering question To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Lighter and shorter wheelbase = faster cornering. The fastest cornering bikes on the planet are 125GP machines. My TZ125 weighs 175lbs *wet*. Having some experience on one now, I can tell you first hand that it's terrifying going into a turn that fast until you wrap your brain around the fact you're not going to die (And I'm not even near pushing what my TZ125 is capable of doing). As you get heavier (and longer in wheelbase) the bike doesn't turn in or corner as quickly. Bikes such as the ZX-9R are pretty much "point-and-shoot". You kind park it into the corner, then punch out using the throttle as you pass your apex. Not as much fun IMHO. This is all relative, or course... any modern street sportbike is capable of cornering at around 1g, giving you all the excitement you'd ever need. On the racetrack... I kinda like the fast cornering classes vs. the big power classes. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 13:10:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LHA4k16693 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 13:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.48.5b2e5f2 (16787) for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.5b2e5f2.26597263@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:09:55 EDT Subject: Govn't/FB! Auctions???? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 By chance does any one know of any government/FBI auctions on our area? From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 15:35:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4LJZ6k18616 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 15:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000521193459.8743.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.42.55] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 12:34:59 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > ... I doubt our > > founding fathers really envisioned a union of > > states with differing laws and differing > > penalties. > > Actually, that's exactly what they envisioned - to > wit the 10th amendment to > the Constitution which states that the Federal > Government only has those > powers which are ceded to it by the States. Mike....a couple things: first, the Constitution does list the federal government's enumerated powers. I think, and the S.Ct. has recently properly held, that laws are all too frequently enacted under the Commerce Clause power with little or no real connection to interstate commerce. My point was that I really don't think that our founding fathers imagined that the states would really pass vastly differing laws governing their citizens. The founding fathers were more interested in NOT having a large, very powerful, central government. We now have both problems. > I.e. the States are the primary > political units with a Federal Government acting as > an intermediary and > unifying body, primarily to facilitate trade and > commerce. This pretty well > held true until the WW2, when the Federal Government > was given emergency > powers for the war and sorta never gave them back. Hmmm.....don't really have a history background. Is this really how you see it? OK....this thread has now officially moved past the m/c barrier. I'll bring it back---> my new bike will be ready for pickup tomorrow (monday). My first priority will be preventing its theft. Is Datatag done in the states? Is there an alarm system (or lojack) that works well? Cost is not an issue here. I'm keepin this one. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 17:08:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LL7xk19764 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.57.5fb5f2e (7776) for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:07:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <57.5fb5f2e.2659aa26@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:07:50 EDT Subject: Was: First MC ticket...Is now: Tom's New Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 What is your new bike? -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F (Street) '89 ZX-7 (Race) From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 18:08:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4LM83k20543 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va22-56.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.184]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15594; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392888C5.678FE6F3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:09:25 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) References: <5b.61a81c5.26589abd@aol.com> <39278143.644AD688@ix.netcom.com> <3927e123.169158616@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > Actually I asked my question wrong about countersteering. We all know > to ride the bike in a lean it is countersteered. What I meant to say > was, do you remember at all feeling like you JUST HAD TO change your > line/steering and when you went to steer you hit the ground? Daniel, In a word: No. I had a clear path through the corner. No m/c's in front of me (and as it turns out, none immediately behind me either). As best I can tell, I was just going for too aggressive/tight a line and steered accordingly. Smooth, dry pavement. Rolling on the throttle. Looking to where I wanted to go. Fast, but not excessively fast (i.e., there was no sensation that I was going too fast for the turn and going to lose it as a result). I wasn't reacting to anything or making any changes. I was just going for it. As it turns out, I guess I just went for it a little too much. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 18:10:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4LMA2k20564 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000521220955.4846.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.42.55] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 15:09:55 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 15:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Was: First MC ticket...Is now: Tom's New Bike To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii '00 Duc 996 in yellow biposto. Winchester 12 guage is current anti-theft device. --- Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > What is your new bike? > > -Sean Jordan > '93 CBR1000F (Street) > '89 ZX-7 (Race) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 21:11:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4M1Bpk22851 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-248.s248.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.248] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tgl1-0006fs-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bfc38a$d5d3e480$f86aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <39274C2F.68CC5EAD@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: DC Cycles at CSS@VIR Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:12:42 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Actually for the record, 5 for 6, you forgot about Pete crashing the slide bike...? and Bannon did not crash. :) Way to go Bannon! (he must not have been pushing as hard as we were...yea, that's it, that's why we crashed and he did not:)) It was a good school. Really reinforced some previously learned concepts and provided good drills to practice. My crash was the result of poor judgement on my part. I had loaned Steve Clark my SV to let him get a feel of the Penske shock so I took his SV out. I felt OK on it, but the rear slid a little a couple of times and the suspension was set what felt like a lot softer than mine. Well I was out playing with the CSS mechanic (on a 6r or 7r?). He would pass me and I would pass him and we were just having a good ole time. I wasn't pushing Steve's bike too much I thought, but coming out of the corkscrew the last left turn is after a small rise. The suspension was fully extended and as I came into the turn I had not set-up very well and found myself over the front more than normal instead of off the side. ( I got both knees down often and went through 1 toe slider completely!:0) Well the suspension bottomed out and instead of turning, the front end tucked and I slammed down left shoulder first. I am still a little sore on that shoulder. Barnicle Bill's leathers did a great job of protecting me as did the Held gloves. Steve's bike faired somewhat worse than I, it needs a new left clip-on bar, clutch lever and left side rear-set assembly. Steve was really cool about the crash and has been exceptionally understanding. Of course as Pete put it, I just saved him the trouble of doing it himself.:) I was totally surprised by the crash because I really thought I was taking it easy. I don't think it would have happened on my bike because the suspension is stiffer in the front and set differently. Oh well, live and learn. As with everyone, thanks for all the encouragement after the fact and fortunately Steve let me get back on my SV to finish the course so that I would be able to take level 2 next. I had a great time and enjoyed spending time with everyone. Can't wait to apply the learning to the racetrack. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: DC Cycles Cc: Mark Kitchell ; Danny Thompson ; Bryan Roach Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 10:38 PM Subject: Skittles - aka, DC Cycles at CSS@VIR (long) > The DC Cycles crew went 4-for-4 at CSS@VIR on Friday, May 19th. SNIP... From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 21:39:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4M1ddk23230 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000522013932.14905.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:39:32 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:39:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If I recall, he has standard size pilots on?? or bt56ss?? one of the two...twas a good writeup, and sounds as if you were making a very common rider area with the super tight lines....I was bad about that too until I started following a crusty old boatswain's mate around on his ducati... Daniel, how does one NOT countersteer a motorcycle??? (no comments from the trike and side hack gallery) hehehe :) Collin ps: wow! a real bike thread!! hehehe :) (note the smileys for the cop/legal/wheelie/ticket crowd) Daniel wrote: That's an interesting story charles. Glad to hear you're okay : ) What type of tires (and size) do you have mounted and what tire pressures do you usually use? I'm just curious to add to my own general knowledge. Is it possible that you weren't countersteering through the turn? Oh and how much did that trackschool cost? ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 21:58:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4M1w6k23528 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000522015751.15686.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:57:51 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Daniels big questions :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Daniel, You've asked quite a few interestiing questions today, but to give you an honest answer, I would be typing all night long.. and after a very unhappy day at the races, I'm not up for that... however, I WOULD like to answer them for you...so......... please take a sec to print out the ones you've asked today (and anyting else you want to talk about) and if you show up for the memorial day ride that Brian and I are having, I would be very happy to sit down with you and whoever will put up with my oklahoma talking disease and go through each of em...deal??? Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 22:08:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4M28bk23671 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000522020829.6720.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 19:08:29 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:08:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: cornering question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Umm, you can't really say that without a qualifying statement. Personally, I prefer a heavier bike for street riding... they are much more stable and tend to soak things up a bit better.. down side is you have to work a bit harder in transition. So many other things affect handling that it's too hard to simplify it into one thing like weight...Wheelbase is one of the hugest factors concerning handling.. but then there is rake and trail as well...then add in suspension settings and tire dynamics, etc etc. If there were an easy answer, everyone would have great handling bikes and not have to rely on super setup gurus to make a bike handle properly... CT Kirt wrote: Lighter is better for handling. Period. Kirt ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 22:19:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4M2Jak23809 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000522021929.25707.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 19:19:29 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:19:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: MC Crash in NC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sad for all the riders involved.. best wishes for them... Bill, You're losing me.... what do you recommend instead of stagger?? Side by side is the worst to me. Single file with plenty of room in front and back when on cornering roads. Staggered seems just fine to me on slab and cruising roads... assuming you still leave leading and following room. Some of the large cruiser groups (not intentionally picking on the hogs, but they are usually the largest groups I see) seem to squish their formations in super tight as to virtually not be staggered any longer... A good staggered position will leave you plenty of room in front of you for a panic stop, and plenty of room to slide side to side the full width of your lane to avoid road hazards. Admittedly, I tend to crowd folks in front of me sometimes, (especially if they are slowing up a lot in corners) but my golden rule of thumb is to never cross the plane of the rider in fronts rear tire....of course, when I am on that type of ride, I'm usually in 110% focus mode. And also, I generally only trust others and myself with that sort of proximity when it's someone I've ridden with a lot. CT Bill wrote: staggered formations are dangerous - IMHO. No place to run, no place to hide, as the formation removes the usual motorcycle option of moving around in your lane to avoid problems. Also, it only takes one rider's missattention to turn a stop or even a slow-down into a disastor, not my opinion, a fact. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 22:23:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4M2N0k23889 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-36-108.s108.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.36.108] helo=erols.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12thru-00065b-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: <392899BE.69AD562B@erols.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:21:51 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: EX500 - Parts wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, thanks to several listers who sent clues my way for my back-up EX500 racebike. None of those panned out, but I really appreciate the effort that was put forth! I did find a '94 EX500, and it's in the garage contibuting parts to my primary bike right now. I find that I need some additional parts. If anyone knows where there's a "totaled" 94-up EX500, or someone parting one out, I'm interested. The main parts I need are: Main wiring harness section (uncut) front rotor front caliper Regulator/rectifier IC Igniter "black box" TIA, Tim Morrow -- CCS #19 Flamin' Duc Racing http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 22:26:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4M2Q3k23928 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000522022552.9186.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 19:25:52 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:25:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: skittles etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck, I also forgot to mention in my other post..... Now it's time to learn how to hang off the bike ;-) My first time or two out on the track, I was just like you.. waaaaaay over leaning the bike. why?? cause I had ridden a GSXR identical to yours on the street for almost 4 years. And that vintage GSXR has stock ground clearance higher than any other bike I have ever been on, including newer GSXRs, so you never have to hang off on the street no matter how hard you ride... you get to the track, and it's a whole new set of rules cause you can push closer to the limits.. CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 22:34:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4M2Yck24064 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-36.patriot.net [209.249.180.36]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA24443; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:34:32 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39289B7B.D729B9B2@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:29:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Crash in NC References: <20000522021929.25707.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recommend riding alone, or in small groups of riders. Stagger is okay on slabs and four-lanes, but you won't catch me in one on a two lane or in town. The standard stagger leaves room betwixt bikes in the lane but not enough room between right and left bike, so if one weaves over the guy behind is caught short. I have never seen a large group with equal matched skills, excluding special drill teams. So I chose to stay away from dicey situations. Like how many splash downs do we read about every year on this site that involve group rides? Hmmm.... Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Sad for all the riders involved.. best wishes for them... > > Bill, > You're losing me.... what do you recommend instead of stagger?? > Side by side is the worst to me. > Single file with plenty of room in front and back when on cornering > roads. > Staggered seems just fine to me on slab and cruising roads... assuming > you still leave leading and following room. Some of the large cruiser > groups (not intentionally picking on the hogs, but they are usually the > largest groups I see) seem to squish their formations in super tight as > to virtually not be staggered any longer... > > A good staggered position will leave you plenty of room in front of you > for a panic stop, and plenty of room to slide side to side the full > width of your lane to avoid road hazards. > > Admittedly, I tend to crowd folks in front of me sometimes, (especially > if they are slowing up a lot in corners) but my golden rule of thumb > is to never cross the plane of the rider in fronts rear tire....of > course, when I am on that type of ride, I'm usually in 110% focus mode. > And also, I generally only trust others and myself with that sort of > proximity when it's someone I've ridden with a lot. > > CT > From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 22:46:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4M2kck24284 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-41.s295.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.41]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tiEm-0004oK-00; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:46:36 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tim Morrow Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: EX500 - Parts wanted Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 05:50:37 GMT Message-ID: <3929c98a.228663095@smtp.erols.com> References: <392899BE.69AD562B@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <392899BE.69AD562B@erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4M2kek24285 have you checked GRD cycles? 301-843-0144 they are in southern maryland a mile past st charles town center, behind atlantic cycles. He sells used parts 50% of what they cost new. I may need to go down there to pick up a 250R handlebar for a friend. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 22:52:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4M2qCk24360 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-41.s295.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.41]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tiKA-0005qd-00; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:52:10 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was: First MC ticket...Is now: Tom's New Bike Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 05:56:10 GMT Message-ID: <392bcba3.229200350@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000521220955.4846.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000521220955.4846.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4M2qEk24361 On Sun, 21 May 2000 15:09:55 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>'00 Duc 996 in yellow biposto. |> |>Winchester 12 guage is current anti-theft device. I hear that's 90% effective in causing homicides (with one shot I believe), and thus stoping 100% of the persons future possible thefts Daniel spent way too much time in alt.guns heh heh From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 23:00:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4M30ek24512 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 23:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-boonet2-30.boo.net (ppp-boonet2-103.boo.net [208.184.99.103]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27599; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:55:27 -0400 Received: by ppp-boonet2-30.boo.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC377.C209A600@XXXXXX>; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:56:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFC377.C209A600@ppp-boonet2-30.boo.net> From: Janey Cohen To: "'cvkgpena@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: DC Cycles at CSS@VIR Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:55:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4M30ik24513 I had no idea there were so many DC Cycles listers at VIR on Friday. I was there as well. In fact, I had a perfect view of someone's crash during one of the first Level 1 rides. It may have been you, Chuck. What color is your bike? Blue? Coming out of the corkscrew, someone riding a blue bike low-sided several yards in front of me. It happened so fast that I can't remember the details, but it looked to me like the rear wheel simply broke loose. In any event, I'm glad to hear that you and the other DC Cycles riders went home uninjured. I spent most of the day at VIR riding in the back of the pack with the slow guys from Level 1. I started riding about 3 years ago and, until Friday, had never ridden on a track. I've got to agree with Chuck: it was a fantastic experience. Whatever you may think about Keith Code and his Twist of the Wrist series of books (my personal opinion is that the man couldn't write a coherent sentence if his life depended on it) he knows what he's talking about when it comes to cornering. And the CSS ride instructors were very helpful. I'll be back at VIR again next year. Kurt 1996 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Sun May 21 23:13:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (web213.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4M3DUk24657 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 23:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9640 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2000 03:13:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000522031323.9639.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.17.43.88] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:13:23 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: BIG RIDE and Ride 4 Kids in September To: mark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Big Ride you're organizing sounds great! But when you mentioned the first weekend of September, I thought for a moment that it might conflict with another big motorcycling event in this area, the Ride 4 Kids. Luckily, it doesn't (the Ride for Kids is the weekend of the 17th), but I figured I'd bring that event to the table anyways to inform those who don't know about it, and to remind those of you who do. The purpose of the Ride 4 Kids? According to their website, "Supporting The Search For The Cause and Cure of Childhood Brain Tumors Through Research". Definitely an awesome cause!! It's basically a 50-mile, AMA-sponsored, police-escorted ride through "scenic countryside", departing from Columbia, MD. Riders (and passengers) are asked to of course raise as much money as possible in the form of pledges. Oh...and if the simple sake of the great cause is not good enough reason in itself to participate, they're also giving away a free Honda motorcycle!! (Although I don't know what kind it is). I encourage everyone to check out the website. Their URL is: http://www.ride4kids.org. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 00:31:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4M4VAk25828 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 00:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000522043103.5590.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:31:03 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: MC Crash in NC To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For the most part I agree, I don't like super huge groups, and especially if I don't know the folks...I still go on em now and then, but usually put the extra radar on... Most of the ones here on DCC that i know of on group rides have been out in the curvy regions. On those type of roads, none of the rides I have led or been on stay with a stagger formation. Everyone shifts into single file mode and spaces out quite a bit. The crashes I have seen have mostly been rider error not directly connected to the actions of the other riders. Although a couple I have seen have been an indirect result due to the crashing rider not riding their own ride and getting over their head... CT --- Bill Huson wrote: So I chose to stay away from dicey situations. > Like > how many splash downs do we read about every year on this site that > involve > group rides? Hmmm.... ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 00:51:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4M4pBk26093 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 00:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phn-az31-152.rasserver.net [198.211.106.152] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:51:06 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Motorcycle engineering and more Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:51:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bfc3a9$56e068a0$986ad3c6@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well, seems that a couple people have a passing fancy to learn a little more about why motorcycles are the way they are. There are Tons of good resources out there on the WWW to research, books to be read - and after all that, if there are still questions - knowledgeable people to ask. I doubt this list is the place for most of that (esp. considering there are people out there on other lists that have lifetimes of practice building 'alternative' motorcycles). But, to knock out some of the more simple issues first, following up with some web-pages to start you on your journey to learn more about these machines. Tires: they're not govnered by pressures (for the most part), but by temperatures. As you should know, tires are a mixture of several compounds, rubber being one of the main ingredients, and that rubber is held together with a petroleum product. Well, petroleum products tend to be rather slick when warm~hot... they lose their ability to hold together and end up releasing themselves. It's true for tires aswell.. as you heat the tire up, the rubber is released easier and easier, gripping onto the road as you pass over. Well, you're also heating up the air inside the closed area which varies the pressure (there are some additives you can use that resist pressure increase with temps better than air). Anyway, if you overheat the tire (by running to low of pressure, which allows more tire flex and the rubber particles rub against one another with more vigor), those same petroleum products start to release faster than you scrub off tire and it raises to the surface, giving you a 'slick' feeling (might be that multiple layers of rubber are coming off much easier - kinda like how Avalanches happen). I think that it's the release compound coming to the surface though - mostly due to what heated tires look like after cooling (the 'bluing' or rainbow effect - like gasoline in a pool of water). Pressures also have a small affect on handling too, but that tends to be more on the extremes and handling is really govern more by the profile. As for weight and performance.. Like Mr. Roach said, the 125's are the Fastest cornering motorcycles on the planet. No exceptions.. Heck, the SP track record is held by a GSXR750 (with 115+ HP)at 1:16something (or was it 1:17 something).. the fastest I saw a 125 (with 45hp max) was 1:19.. and there's a LONG front straight for the big bikes with the HP to really gain time. That's a real world demonstration of light weight and low HP vs. heavy (comparatively) and high HP. Handling, though, in rather equal performance bikes isn't to terribly dictated by weight. There's more riding on the rake and trail, swingarm length, angle the swingarm makes at the pivot.. etc. Take a look at these web pages and follow the links, some Awesome information to be had if you want to do the research (instead of asking for it to be handed to you on an e-mail platter): http://www.ctv.es/USERS/softtech/motos/ http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcnuts/nuts.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/jack_stands/motorcycle_advice/bike_repair.html http://www.eurospares.com/books.htm Plus check out the technical e-mail lists, found here: http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup/ MC-CHASSIS-DESIGN, MC-ENGINE, MCMOD, and TURBOBIKE seem like good lists to jump in on and listen for awhile. Just sit thee and soak up the information (a wise man knows to keep his mouth closed and let others think him the fool, rather than open his mouth and remove all doubt). There's a LOT!!! of information out there to be had if you just go looking for it. Invest a few hours reading and searching on your issue before jumping on the list and blurting it out... you'll be more informed, and likely be able to form an opinion that's not biased by popular belief.. In any case, good luck... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 01:28:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4M5Slk26585 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 01:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA05553; Mon, 22 May 1972 01:33:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1972 01:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc inspection info wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII An acquaintence wants to know how picky DC inspection is on motorcycles. She has working turnsignals attached with hoseclamps, and a cracked reflector. Are these grounds for rejection? Anyone been through recently? Thanx. --garcia "The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of an expanding bureaucracy." From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 07:05:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4MB5Rk01769 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 07:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000522110519.4652.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 May 2000 04:05:19 PDT Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 04:05:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Breaking News on WTOP To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As I drove into work this morning (yeah, I took the car, thunderstorms don't appeal to me) I was listening to WTOP. One of their news stories was about a woman has her own Harley, and rode down to Myrtle Beach with her husband this year rather than ride on the back. I kept waiting to hear the main point of the story, but that was it. Huh??? Maybe we should introduce them to Jeannette, Linda, Tracy, and all the other women here who ride their own bikes. Seems like the news folks at WTOP impress easily. :-) Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 07:42:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4MBg9k02211 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 07:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000522114154.18810.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.196] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 May 2000 04:41:54 PDT Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 04:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Daniels big questions :) To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Memorial Day ride? Where from/to? --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > however, I WOULD like to answer them for > you...so......... > please take a sec to print out the ones you've asked > today (and anyting > else you want to talk about) and if you show up for > the memorial day > ride that Brian and I are having __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 10:31:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4MEVPk05266 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 22 May 2000 07:31:35 -0700 Message-ID: <39296EBD.FBD0ED6D@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:30:37 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cornering question References: <3927e82c.170960386@smtp.erols.com> <004901bfc317$04eb3210$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kirt S." wrote: > > In my not-so-professional opinion, I would think that any rider would always > want the lightest bike they can get. A light bike would have MANY > advantages. A lighter bike would be easier to lean over. A lighter bike > would be quicker to attain said lean. So how does center of gravity figure in to this? Most sportbikes nowadays are pretty tall, with gas tanks mounted up high, along with the rider seat, and plenty of ground clearance. Does this mean that a higher center of gravity is better than a lower one for cornering? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 10:56:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MEuZk05541 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22557; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FUY00D01URXHP@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FUY00NNUURU4K@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:58:55 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:54:37 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Breaking News on WTOP To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , DC-Cycles Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A031C12CA@emss09m05.man.ms.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Gee, I should just ride over to the station - it's right here in Manassas. Must be a slow news day. Tracy Tracy Horstman Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: 703-367-2981 Email: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 7:05 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Breaking News on WTOP As I drove into work this morning (yeah, I took the car, thunderstorms don't appeal to me) I was listening to WTOP. One of their news stories was about a woman has her own Harley, and rode down to Myrtle Beach with her husband this year rather than ride on the back. I kept waiting to hear the main point of the story, but that was it. Huh??? Maybe we should introduce them to Jeannette, Linda, Tracy, and all the other women here who ride their own bikes. Seems like the news folks at WTOP impress easily. :-) Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 11:19:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MFJMk05921 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA05833 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:18:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000522111355.00f2e038@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:13:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: cornering question In-Reply-To: <39296EBD.FBD0ED6D@flashmail.com> References: <3927e82c.170960386@smtp.erols.com> <004901bfc317$04eb3210$915d800a@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:30 AM 5/22/00 -0700, Dale Horstman wrote: >"Kirt S." wrote: >> >> In my not-so-professional opinion, I would think that any rider would always >> want the lightest bike they can get. A light bike would have MANY >> advantages. A lighter bike would be easier to lean over. A lighter bike >> would be quicker to attain said lean. > >So how does center of gravity figure in to this? Most sportbikes >nowadays are pretty tall, with gas tanks mounted up high, along >with the rider seat, and plenty of ground clearance. > >Does this mean that a higher center of gravity is better than >a lower one for cornering? > It might be better phrased "All else beinging equal, a lighter bike would be better than a heavier one." But all else is never equal. Beyond a certain point, a lighter bike is also less strong. Weight in the right places makes a frame more rigid, which is (in general) a Good Thing. On a 125, light weight is Good. Stuff a 180 hp motor in there, and fatter tires, and the frame's likely to be far too flexible to be ridden fast. Same thing for CoG. A lower CoG is superior in most respects, but not at the expense of inadequate ground clearance. (And I've seen it argued that a high CoG enables a bike to lean in more quickely. I'm not sure if this is accurate or not, however.) ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 11:30:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MFUak06158 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-146.s146.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.146] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tuA5-00060J-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bfc39e$2f2b9e20$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <3927e82c.170960386@smtp.erols.com> <004901bfc317$04eb3210$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <39296EBD.FBD0ED6D@flashmail.com> Subject: Re: cornering question Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:31:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Again, this is just me stating my personal opinion, so if I'm wrong I'm sure Brian or Colin will catch me on it :-) Yes, the center of gravity is a factor, but so is ground clearance. Sport bikes are capable of leaning over way way farther than most standards or cruising type bikes. And even though the center of gravity is higher than that variety of motorcycle, it's not THAT much higher. The heaviest part of the bike is still in the bottom...the motor. I think having the center of gravity would make the bike steer a little quicker, but be a little less stable in a straight line. The bike "wants to fall over" more than a bike with a lower center of gravity would, so thusly it would be easier to get it leaned over far quickly. Am I right? Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" To: "Kirt S." Cc: ; Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:30 PM Subject: Re: cornering question > "Kirt S." wrote: > > > > In my not-so-professional opinion, I would think that any rider would always > > want the lightest bike they can get. A light bike would have MANY > > advantages. A lighter bike would be easier to lean over. A lighter bike > > would be quicker to attain said lean. > > So how does center of gravity figure in to this? Most sportbikes > nowadays are pretty tall, with gas tanks mounted up high, along > with the rider seat, and plenty of ground clearance. > > Does this mean that a higher center of gravity is better than > a lower one for cornering? > > Horkster > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 11:38:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MFcAk06255 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4MFc4832512; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:38:04 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'Bob Meyer'" , Subject: RE: cornering question Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bfc402$b78b4680$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000522111355.00f2e038@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> I vaguely recall an abortive attempt in the 80's by Honda to reroute the exhaust on their 500 GP bike in order to drop the fuel tank as low to the ground as possible in order to get a lower COG but Freddie Spencer found it to be an ill-handling beast. I wish I could remember the technical explanation, but at that stage in my life I was staring at the ahem, "talent" in the Kerker exhaust ads :) Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > Homer Simpson's the 3 sentences that will get you through life. 1 'cover for me.' 2 'oh, good idea, boss.' 3 'it was like that when I got here.'" It might be better phrased "All else beinging equal, a lighter bike would be better than a heavier one." But all else is never equal. Beyond a certain point, a lighter bike is also less strong. Weight in the right places makes a frame more rigid, which is (in general) a Good Thing. On a 125, light weight is Good. Stuff a 180 hp motor in there, and fatter tires, and the frame's likely to be far too flexible to be ridden fast. Same thing for CoG. A lower CoG is superior in most respects, but not at the expense of inadequate ground clearance. (And I've seen it argued that a high CoG enables a bike to lean in more quickely. I'm not sure if this is accurate or not, however.) ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 12:00:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MG0ok06606 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.140] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.00) id A8FB15A001F8; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:59:55 +0100 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC3E5.5C5D2AC0@2G0UP>; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:00:45 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC3E5.5C5D2AC0@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: CSS at VIR Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:00:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4MG0uk06607 Hello everyone - just a quick note on Friday's CSS - I had a great time (I didn't crash but wasn't going that fast anyway), and though I know I will never race, I would love to get out on the track some more. I was actually afraid before each session, but quickly forgot the fear as I was entering the 1st set of turns. Thanks to Brian for lending me some shade and for the good stories. Thanks to Chuck and Mark for taking their falls and coming back smiling - made me feel like it wasn't that bad. Sure glad you are o.k. And thanks to Chuck for the excellent write up. I think its important to let everyone know that the turn (off camber decreasing radius ?) is officially called The Bitch. I had an easy, relaxed one hour ride North along the route Brian suggested (Rt. 29) until the rain began. It never did quit after that and the whole trip took another 4.5 hours. I got home sore, tired, cold, and very very happy. Niv BMW F650ST SUZ DR650 (95') for sale From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 12:10:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4MGAck06679 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phn-az31-121.rasserver.net [198.211.106.121] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:10:31 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: cornering question Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:11:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bfc408$56171900$796ad3c6@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yup, CoG does play an amazing role in how a bike handles.. and for the most part (from what I know on it), the truth's been told. Honda and Bimota (at least, there are others I'm sure) have both tried putting the gas under the engine to lower the CoG (Bimota Supermono) - and I know the Bimota flopped because it was a Terribly ill-handling bike once the pace was upped. To a certain point, on a sport-bike you do want the CoG higher, it eases in transitions into corners (as was already said). The basic reason behind this is because a higher CoG is more easily influenced by the rider (if it were possible to stand up, cornering would become even easier as for the effort to turn-in). Anyway, just had to chime up... :) Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 12:19:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MGJbk06840 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0FUY00A01YO7O2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:19:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0FUY00981YO7EL@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:19:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0FUY00C01YO734@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:19:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0FUY00C01YO21I@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:19:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localHost ([166.32.192.143]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0FUY00B3TYNWNH@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:19:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Keiser Subject: RE: Just Bought a VFR800!! To: DC Cycles , gbraunst@XXXXXX Message-id: <0FUY00B3UYNWNH@dgismtp01.wcomnet.com> X-Mailer: MailRoom for Internet v3.1a (www.SierraSol.com) Hey Glenn! Welcome to the list and congrats on picking up a great bike. Sorry I missed Carpool Sunday, but future visits are in order. There is a One List for VFR800's but it's pretty slow. This and the VF/VFR list that Mike mentioned are all you need. Later. Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 12:27:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MGR4k06974 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:26:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Crouse, Roger" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: 92 Seca II Fairing? Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:26:34 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Can anyone suggest where I might find a deal on an upper fairing for a 1992 Yamaha Seca II xj600sd? Left and Right, or one piece. Makes no difference to me. I checked air-tech and targa. Air-tech had one for about $200. Guess I'll go with that one if I can't find something else. Thanks, Roger From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 14:06:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MI67k08372 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02328 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA07791 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000522180557.1183.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.45.18.20] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:05:57 PDT Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: For sale: '97 YZF750 and other goods To: DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm going to school on the West Coast in June, and will have to sell my motorcycle and other things I can't bring with me. The sale of my Yamaha YZF750 hurts, because it has been a great-looking, sweet-handling, comfortable sportbike. Thought somebody on the list might be interested. Thanks, Sean Sullivan The list of things I'm selling follows: 1997 Yamaha YZF750. Red, white and black. 17K miles. Runs strong, not a scratch. Extras: Corbin seat, Hindle carbon fiber exhaust, jet kit, Second Look tank bra, carbon fiber fender, and tinted windscreen. Price includes numerous additional parts, including stock seat, muffler, windscreen, 2 fenders, red front fairing (the bike is wearing a black front fairing now), passenger seat cowl and shop manual. $6400; will go into Washington Post classifieds this weekend at $6500. Reply to me to get more information or to see the bike. FirstGear Stealth jacket and matching pants. Jacket size 44, pants have a waist of 34" and length of 32" (I'm 6' and 165 lbs). Both are black leather with padded armor in shoulders, forearms, back, hips and plastic knee cups. In addition to several pockets, the jacket has vents and removable liner with FirstGear's "Thermoneck" collar, making it livable in all of D.C.'s seasons. The jacket has light abrasions on the sleeves; gear is used but in good condition. $600 for the set. Alpinestar GP Pro boots, black. Shin and heel armor, missing one velcro-backed, replaceable toe slider. Used but in good condition. $150. Shoei RF200 helmet, black. Large. Clear visor and gold iridium visor. Some tiny scratches. $40. Furniture: Full-size bed with mattress and cherrywood-stained headboard and frame. $200. Walnut-stained nine-drawer dresser. About 3.5' high and 6' long. $100. Ikea shelf system: black tubular frame with six wood shelves. $20. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 14:33:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MIXNk08760 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:33:36 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062AAD@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Chuck Pena'" , "'VFR List'" Subject: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:28:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Well, the first to crash is the last to add his $.02 (-: First of all, what an amazing experience. I did not expect to learn so much or have fun like I did. Great track as everyone has said, which will probably spoil me other tracks. I rode the school ZX-6. One word--WOW. Unfortunately, I love my VFR just a little less right now. The 600 was so light, so fast and so flickable. The first drill was simply 4th Gear, no brakes. It was nerve racking for me, my first time on the track, but by the end of 20 minutes I was beginnig to get the hang of it. Keith Code's system is to teach you one thing in each classroom session, than have you practice it on the track. By the end of the day, each lesson has built upon and added to the last. The second track session was centered around controlled corner entry speed then gentle throttle roll-on. I was doing fine (slow) through the various turns, including the infamous "Bitch" turn, a decreasing radius, off-camber turn which put two riders in the hospital the previous day. Then my instructor, Mark, had me follow him for a while. The speed was up a bit, but I did fine. Then on my own again, I entered the straightaway at the "bitch" probably a bit too fast. I should have scrubbed a bit with the brakes, but remembered that its a no brake drill. Entered the turn ok, and actually did do the throttle roll on despite my uncomfortableness with the speed. I kept telling my self not to chop the throttle, even though my survival insticts said differently. As I came through the turn, I glanced at the side of the track, which had sand on it, and saw that I was drifting towards the edge. I looked forward again, rolled on and hoped I would make it. Looked back at the edge and got worried about the continuing drift. Instead of increasing lean angle and looking ahead, I target fixated. Guess what? The bike headed right for the edge. At the last minute I stood it up and apllied the brakes. If the ground was hard, I would have been fine. But the soft ground threw the bike right out from under me, onto my knees and right arm. Too make a long story short, I got right back up, picked up the bike and waited for the head instructor to come by. He checked me out, started the bike, and sent me to the pits. As Chuck mentioned, CSS policy is you crash...day is over. Brian Roach helped me analyze the crash, so I completely understood exactly what I did wrong. Armed with that knowledge, I was able to convince the track controller Michelle (she rocks) to let me continue riding. The next time out, I was of course more tentative, but my instructor took me under his wing the remainder of the day. At each class room session I learned valuable less which IMMEDIATELY made me a better rider (for example, turn more quickly, keep the arms loose, choose and use turn pointes, etc). My confidence soared and my last lap was my best lap! So, improvements were made. The school was wonderful and I highly recommend it to anyone. It was the greatest day of motorcycling for me. After the 4th track session I came off of the bike simply floating on air. I tore my helmet off and gave Brian Roach a big high five because it had finally all clicked and I understood what this passion for riding fast on a track was. Brian happily welcomed me into the fold of speed-craving nuts (-: Ok, the day was made perfect by the support of the 'all-crashing' DC Cycles contingent. Danny Thompson, Chuck Pena, Brian Roach, Bannon, Niv and all the others made for a great and supportive track side enviornment. Special thanks to Brian Roach, THE MAN for lending me his Kashitusha (sp?) leathers which saved my life durning the get-off. Thanks Brian! Track days, here I come! Mark Kitchell PS: Chuck, thanks as well. I know you only crashed so I wouldn't feel too bad. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 14:41:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MIfKk08858 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12tx8Y-0004GH-00; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:41:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:39 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: re: did your reg/rec take a dump too? Message-ID: <2000052214380123-1e2e47d@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >No, no, not 'bad bike'. Poor, sick bike! Instead of the time out corner, >hold its hand, take its temperature, make it well again. :) >I was hoping that with the slightly more "open" >bodywork of the 98 compared to the 94-97's that I might escape the habitual >r.r. failure, but maybe we are just now seeing the 98's beginning to fail. >Rats... >- -dave t. >98 Interceptor Yeah i'm w/ Dave. except it's "Bad engineer, lazy bastard" FWIW I'm replacing my r/r again. In talking to Ritzo @ electrex he thinks a large part of the problem actually lies w/ the stator. The cause is the heat but he has seen that b/c of the heat, insulation on the stator wiring deteriorates much quicker than on other bikes. You then get more juice but at a lower voltage, the r/r has to work harder at the same time it's also subject to the heat. soon enough you get meltdown. Anywho, if you've got a bad r/r it's definitely worth carefully checking your stator to avoid killing a new reg/rec in short order. If he's right then the '98+ models may not be much better off than the rest of us. I'd also highly recommend Electrex. there stuff comes w/ 1yr warranty. I had a r/r put on 'bout 3 months ago and it just went out again. this time i checked the system myself (instead of shop) and the stator was borderline at best. despite the high likelihood it was the stator that killed the r/r in such short time they replaced the r/r under warranty. fortunately! since i had to drop ~$160 on the stator, i didn't need to add $140 for a r/r. both times the trouble started i was either caught in stop&go traffic on a hot as hell day or within a day or so after (i.e. it mostly fried it and then gave up w/ a day or so i think). based on my experience i sure wouln't own one of these things in the south. it's the one thing that so far makes me question the VFR as a commuter. keep the shiny side up. rob - 96vfr btw does anyone know if the ZX9R has r/r problems?? ;) I really wish you guys wouldn't have started that thread about how the 9R has everything the VFR does except the V4 sound and r/r problems. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 18:52:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MMqLk12549 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 22 May 2000 18:52:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3929BA2B.1C0B05B9@cox.rr.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:52:27 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: World Superbike Tuesday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who didn't catch it Sunday, the World Superbike race showing on Speedvision Tuesday at 8:00 is spectacular. Don't miss it. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 19:01:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MN1kk12759 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.150]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00594; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3929E6DB.C2AC2991@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:03:07 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: skittles etc. References: <20000522022552.9186.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin, Pretty much exactly what Cobie Fair said to me after my little experience becoming one with the asphalt. Talked to me about hanging off (I'm working on it, but obviously don't have it just right yet). Said he wants me Level Two and on the slide bike. Chuck, aka Skittles "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Chuck, > I also forgot to mention in my other post..... > > Now it's time to learn how to hang off the bike ;-) > > My first time or two out on the track, I was just like you.. waaaaaay > over leaning the bike. why?? cause I had ridden a GSXR identical to > yours on the street for almost 4 years. And that vintage GSXR has stock > ground clearance higher than any other bike I have ever been on, > including newer GSXRs, so you never have to hang off on the street no > matter how hard you ride... > you get to the track, and it's a whole new set of rules cause you can > push closer to the limits.. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 19:07:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MN7bk12846 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.150]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27040; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3929E836.BF6504C8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:08:54 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janey Cohen CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: DC Cycles at CSS@VIR References: <01BFC377.C209A600@ppp-boonet2-30.boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt, Yeah, it was me you saw. Blue/white '93 GSXR 750. Didn't realize I had someone almost right behind me. Hope I didn't scare the beejeezus out of you! %^) Please let me know if you think you saw me do anything funny/stupid right before my crash. Just doing my best to reconstruct what happened so I can file it away as a positive learning experience. On another note... Where do you live? We need to get a DC-Cycles/CSS@VIR ride together sometime when everyone's schedules permits. Obviously, a number of us have ridden together. Wish we knew there were more people on the list down there. Y'all need to hook up with us on one of our weekend sportbike rides (our "usual" starting point is the Sheetz at 55 and 15). Cheers, Chuck Janey Cohen wrote : > > I had no idea there were so many DC Cycles listers at VIR on Friday. I was there as well. In fact, I had a perfect view of someone's crash during one of the first Level 1 rides. It may have been you, Chuck. What color is your bike? Blue? Coming out of the corkscrew, someone riding a blue bike low-sided several yards in front of me. It happened so fast that I can't remember the details, but it looked to me like the rear wheel simply broke loose. In any event, I'm glad to hear that you and the other DC Cycles riders went home uninjured. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 19:11:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MNBek12881 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.150]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07840; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3929E92A.F57B8697@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:12:58 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ahalan CC: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: CSS at VIR References: <01BFC3E5.5C5D2AC0@2G0UP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niv, We were wondering about you as we drove home in the rain. Glad to hear you made it home OK. You are an Ironman! A whole day of track school followed by a 4.5 hour ride home in the rain (and cold)??? Can you spell n-u-t-z??? %^) Hope to see you at Bike Night 2 at CarPool on June 11th. And you need to score yourself a sportbike and join us on one of our Saturday or Sunday rides out in the country. Cheers, Chuck Ahalan wrote: > > Hello everyone - just a quick note on Friday's CSS - I had a great time (I didn't crash but wasn't going that fast anyway), and though I know I will never race, I would love to get out on the track some more. I was actually afraid before each session, but quickly forgot the fear as I was entering the 1st set of turns. > Thanks to Brian for lending me some shade and for the good stories. Thanks to Chuck and Mark for taking their falls and coming back smiling - made me feel like it wasn't that bad. Sure glad you are o.k. And thanks to Chuck for the excellent write up. I think its important to let everyone know that the turn (off camber decreasing radius ?) is officially called The Bitch. > > I had an easy, relaxed one hour ride North along the route Brian suggested (Rt. 29) until the rain began. It never did quit after that and the whole trip took another 4.5 hours. I got home sore, tired, cold, and very very happy. > > Niv > BMW F650ST > SUZ DR650 (95') for sale -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 19:16:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4MNGCk13004 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.150]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA32046; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3929EA1E.8DF3694A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:17:02 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062AAD@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And both Danny and Bryan crashed so that I wouldn't feel so bad! %^) "Unofficial" nicknames after CSS@VIR: Me - "Skittles" Mark Kitchell - "Crash" Danny Thompson - ??? Bryan Roach - "Ichabod" Chuck Mark Kitchell wrote : > > PS: Chuck, thanks as well. I know you only crashed so I wouldn't feel too > bad. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 20:28:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4N0SEk13921 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.ea.5a21a57 (4318) for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:28:02 EDT Subject: Re: Breaking News on WTOP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 > One of their news stories was about a > woman has her own Harley, and rode down to Myrtle Beach with her husband > this year rather than ride on the back. I kept waiting to hear the main point of > the story, but that was it. Huh??? Maybe we should introduce them to > Jeannette, Linda, Tracy, and all the other women here who ride their own > bikes. Ya gotta remember that the DC-Cycles females are a cut above the norm. Not only do they ride, but they put up (for the most part) with the rest of us ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 22:41:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4N2fpk15633 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-boonet2-32.boo.net (ppp-boonet2-32.boo.net [208.184.99.32]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10381; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:36:24 -0400 Received: by ppp-boonet2-32.boo.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC43E.59EBB820@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:37:46 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFC43E.59EBB820@ppp-boonet2-32.boo.net> From: Janey Cohen To: "'Charles V. Pena'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: DC Cycles at CSS@VIR & Group Ride Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:25:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4N2gGk15634 Everything happened so fast that I didn't have time to think about the crash until after I exited the turn following the corkscrew. I think your original assessment was right: Too much throttle coming out of the turn. I live in the Kalorama/Adams Morgan area of DC, and I've been following the list intermittently for quite awhile. I bought my first bike (a 94 Yamaha XT350) from Anita Lauro, a former list contributor. (If anyone out there is thinking about a dual sport as a first bike, drop me a line. It was a great choice for me.) After 1 1/2 years of riding a small dual sport, I sold it to another lister, Todd Peer (I hope the XT350 is still running, Todd!), and moved up (way up) to 96 VFR750. I've been meaning to join a group ride for a long time. I subscribe to the digest, so I've missed out on a few last-minute rides. I typically ride on Sundays, and my usual routes take me to Leesburg, Front Royal, Frederick, So. Maryland, WV, and anywhere else within riding distance of DC. If anyone's planning a Sunday ride (any Sunday, any ride) let me know. Kurt Slawson 96 VFR750 (Janey is my wife; hence, the email address) ---------- From: Charles V. Pena[SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:08 PM To: Janey Cohen Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: DC Cycles at CSS@VIR Kurt, Yeah, it was me you saw. Blue/white '93 GSXR 750. Didn't realize I had someone almost right behind me. Hope I didn't scare the beejeezus out of you! %^) Please let me know if you think you saw me do anything funny/stupid right before my crash. Just doing my best to reconstruct what happened so I can file it away as a positive learning experience. On another note... Where do you live? We need to get a DC-Cycles/CSS@VIR ride together sometime when everyone's schedules permits. Obviously, a number of us have ridden together. Wish we knew there were more people on the list down there. Y'all need to hook up with us on one of our weekend sportbike rides (our "usual" starting point is the Sheetz at 55 and 15). Cheers, Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon May 22 22:46:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4N2kkk15789 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA04393 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002001bfc461$28350b60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: Subject: FS: Kawasaki Spector(?) 750 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:46:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFC43F.A027A640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFC43F.A027A640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable '82 Kawasaki 750 shaft drive... hasn't been running in a couple of = years. Looks like it's in good shape though. Has a full-fairing on it = (commuter type) and for the most part is pretty decent. Probably needs = the carbs cleaned up and maybe some tires. It's not my bike.. belongs = to my next door neighbor. If anyone is interested please contact me. I have no idea of what the = price is and he doesn't know of what to ask for it so offers will be = considered. Tom '86 VFR750 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFC43F.A027A640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
'82 Kawasaki 750 shaft drive... hasn't been running = in a=20 couple of years.  Looks like it's in good shape though.  Has a = full-fairing on it (commuter type) and for the most part is pretty = decent. =20 Probably needs the carbs cleaned up and maybe some tires.  It's not = my=20 bike.. belongs to my next door neighbor.
 
If anyone is interested please contact me.  I = have no=20 idea of what the price is and he doesn't know of what to ask for = it so=20 offers will be considered.
 
Tom
'86 VFR750
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFC43F.A027A640-- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 00:50:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4N4opk17412 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 00:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.240] (sdn-ar-002dcwashP224.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.240]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13465 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005230450.VAA13465@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:36:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Breaking news on WTOP From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'd say the general public still doesn't think of women as having their own ride ... I consistently encounter surprise (and "damn baby is that yours??? how fast does that thing go?" and "you RIDE????") ... along with "you ride? COOL!" ....... I read a statistic somewhere that something like 2% of motorcycle owners are women ... and what percent of the population own bikes? (not many) ...... so it's understandable that the pop culture would pick it up as a "big" story ... >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. [Remove the "_NOSPAM_" to reply] ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/22/00 >Date: Mon, May 22, 2000, 7:00 PM > > As I drove into work this morning (yeah, I took the car, thunderstorms don't > appeal to me) I was listening to WTOP. One of their news stories was about a > woman has her own Harley, and rode down to Myrtle Beach with her husband this > year rather than ride on the back. I kept waiting to hear the main point of > the story, but that was it. Huh??? Maybe we should introduce them to > Jeannette, Linda, Tracy, and all the other women here who ride their own bikes. > Seems like the news folks at WTOP impress easily. :-) From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 00:59:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4N4xfk17500 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 00:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000523020701.3057.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:07:01 PDT Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: memorial day ride was Re: Daniels big questions :) To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian McCoy posted about it a week or so ago.. prolly right in the middle of all you finals... Route isn't 100% set yet, but will likely be similar to the one we took last time I was there... Meeting at the usual BK in Sterling along route 7 at 0900 and pulling out around 0930. The tentative plan is to keep it fairly close to civilization so if people need to leave early for other commitments, they won't be too far out. But if the group wants, we can go further west and south.... CT --- Tom Gimer wrote: > Memorial Day ride? Where from/to? > > ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 03:11:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4N7Bhk19745 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 03:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000523062707.28910.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 May 2000 23:27:07 PDT Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dale, It may sound kind of odd at first, but it's on purpose.... I am going to have a very tough time putting it into words, so bear with me.... Unstable vehicles handle fast than very stable ones. Center of gravity on bikes is one of the factors going into it. Almost all highly maneuverable objects have instability in maneuvering. An F16, for example is one of the most highly unstable vehicles there is. Uggh.. how can I say it without going into two semesters of graduate engineering..... Ok.. picture a broom. Hold the end of the handle with two fingers and the head of it hanging down. Then mentally measure how much torque is required to move the head one direction or the other. Now reverse everything. Balance the broom perfectly vertical on the palm of your hand. To move the head, you only need a very tiny perturbation to effect a change to the broom head. Countersteering works more or less on this exact principle. Am I making any sense??? lol As the CG approaches the the level of the axles, the bike is going to become much more stable. More effort is going to be required to lean the bike either direction. The higher it goes, the easier it is to lean it from side to side...Hence a valkarye is going to corner slower than an F4 and also take a lot more effort (hence wider bars on most cruisers). But, as Brian and I both mentioned yesterday, no one thing can be looked at. Motorcycle handling has to be looked at as an entire system, since each factor weighs in to the sum of the whole. CT (babbling incoherently at 0230.....) Dale wrote: So how does center of gravity figure in to this? Most sportbikes nowadays are pretty tall, with gas tanks mounted up high, along with the rider seat, and plenty of ground clearance. Does this mean that a higher center of gravity is better than a lower one for cornering? ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 07:26:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from osd.mil (firewall-user@XXXXXX [140.185.28.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NBQLk23424 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by osd.mil; id HAA19798; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:25:16 GMT Received: from quasar.acq.osd.mil(134.152.48.171) by gateway1.osd.mil via smap (V4.2) id xma019389; Tue, 23 May 00 07:24:47 GMT Received: by quasar.acq.osd.mil(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 852568E8.003F59F5 ; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:31:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: OUSD_AT From: "Adam D Bowers -CTR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568E8.003F5950.00@quasar.acq.osd.mil> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:23:01 -0400 Subject: Re: First MC ticket.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >> Reckless is 10 pts. license is suspended at 12 pts in the same year<< I thought that in VA reckless was 6pts??....where would you get the 10 from? Adam D. Bowers (703) 693-6521 x163 Bravo Team Analyst OUSD(A&T) Information Management Technology From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 08:01:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NC1qk23959 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 08:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-138-143.s143.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.138.143] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12uDNd-0006N2-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 23 May 2000 08:01:50 -0400 Message-ID: <392A734B.AAB2715F@bigfoot.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:02:19 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: memorial day ride was Re: Daniels big questions :) References: <20000523020701.3057.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can someone give me more specific directions to this BK in Sterling? my starting point will be Manassas, and i would prefer NOT to take 66. thanks for the help, i hope to see you all there. jay 2K Shadow ACE CD "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > Brian McCoy posted about it a week or so ago.. prolly right in the > middle of all you finals... > Route isn't 100% set yet, but will likely be similar to the one we took > last time I was there... > Meeting at the usual BK in Sterling along route 7 at 0900 and pulling From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 08:06:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4NC6ak24028 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 08:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000523120628.2229.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.187] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 May 2000 05:06:28 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 05:06:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR To: "Charles V. Pena" , Mark Kitchell Cc: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You guys are friggin amazing. At Watkins Glen CSS there were 2 crashes total....at VIR 4 DC-Cyclers crashed? I love it. Nobody crashed their street bikes, did they? --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > And both Danny and Bryan crashed so that I wouldn't > feel so bad! %^) > > "Unofficial" nicknames after CSS@VIR: > > Me - "Skittles" > Mark Kitchell - "Crash" > Danny Thompson - ??? > Bryan Roach - "Ichabod" > > Chuck > > Mark Kitchell wrote : > > > > PS: Chuck, thanks as well. I know you only > > crashed so I wouldn't feel too bad. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 09:17:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NDHtk25224 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062ABB@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Janey Cohen'" , "'Charles V. Pena'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: DC Cycles at CSS@VIR & Group Ride Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:12:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Kurt: Did you have the Red/Black Vanson on? If so, we met early on. Mark PS: Asylum is right near your house. Maybe next week we can converse about VIR over a beer. > -----Original Message----- > From: Janey Cohen [SMTP:jcohen@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:25 PM > To: 'Charles V. Pena' > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: DC Cycles at CSS@VIR & Group Ride > > Everything happened so fast that I didn't have time to think about the > crash until after I exited the turn following the corkscrew. I think your > original assessment was right: Too much throttle coming out of the turn. > > I live in the Kalorama/Adams Morgan area of DC, and I've been > following the list intermittently for quite awhile. I bought my first > bike (a 94 Yamaha XT350) from Anita Lauro, a former list contributor. (If > anyone out there is thinking about a dual sport as a first bike, drop me a > line. It was a great choice for me.) After 1 1/2 years of riding a small > dual sport, I sold it to another lister, Todd Peer (I hope the XT350 is > still running, Todd!), and moved up (way up) to 96 VFR750. > > I've been meaning to join a group ride for a long time. I subscribe to > the digest, so I've missed out on a few last-minute rides. I typically > ride on Sundays, and my usual routes take me to Leesburg, Front Royal, > Frederick, So. Maryland, WV, and anywhere else within riding distance of > DC. > > If anyone's planning a Sunday ride (any Sunday, any ride) let me know. > > > Kurt Slawson > 96 VFR750 > (Janey is my wife; hence, the email address) > > > ---------- > From: Charles V. Pena[SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:08 PM > To: Janey Cohen > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: DC Cycles at CSS@VIR > > Kurt, > > Yeah, it was me you saw. Blue/white '93 GSXR 750. Didn't realize I had > someone almost right behind me. Hope I didn't scare the beejeezus out > of you! %^) Please let me know if you think you saw me do anything > funny/stupid right before my crash. Just doing my best to reconstruct > what happened so I can file it away as a positive learning experience. > > On another note... Where do you live? We need to get a > DC-Cycles/CSS@VIR ride together sometime when everyone's schedules > permits. Obviously, a number of us have ridden together. Wish we knew > there were more people on the list down there. Y'all need to hook up > with us on one of our weekend sportbike rides (our "usual" starting > point is the Sheetz at 55 and 15). > > Cheers, > Chuck > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 09:22:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NDMLk25438 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id r.a1.5aad27a (3978); Tue, 23 May 2000 09:20:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:20:21 EDT Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/23/00 8:09:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > ou guys are friggin amazing. At Watkins Glen CSS > there were 2 crashes total....at VIR 4 DC-Cyclers > crashed? I love it. And we weren't the only ones. On Thurs (before the rest of the DC-Cycles crew arived) there were like 5 crashes, two of which involved injuries. The south course of VIR is a great training course in that it's made up completely of nasty things like off-camber, and/or blind, and/or decreasing radius turns. I think all but 4 turns are off-camber, as a matter of fact. The corkscrew is particularly nasty, as it's downhill, off-camber, and has a blind entry. The things will just suck you in and before you know it, there's nowhere to go but the grass. I, however, should have known better than to hammer street tires in the extra open session on Fri for the Lev 3 and 4 guys. ::shrug:: chalk it up as a learning experience... I thought I'd have at least some warning before they started to go :) > Nobody crashed their street bikes, did they? Chuck did... but not bad. Off-camber turns are generally pretty easy on your bike as there's not as far to fall :) Luckily when Chuck was coming over to pick up his bike from my house I noticed some creative Suzuki engineering ... they use an oil galley drain on the head also as a fairing stay mount (?!!). Evidently when Chuck lowsided, the impact on the mount caused the bolt to back out a little and there was oil all over the place. Torqued the bolt back in, put some oil back in, and he was good to go. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 09:33:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NDXJk25649 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:25:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'vulgar_power'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: memorial day ride was Re: Daniels big questions :) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:25:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I used to live in Manassas, so I can give directions: >From Sudley (234), go past 66, past the NOVA campus, and turn right onto rt. 29 at the light. Follow rt. 29 until it crosses rt. 28 in Centerville. Take a left on 28 and go north. Follow 28 for many miles (10-15 maybe?), past Dulles airport and rt. 50, until you get to rt. 7. Go east on rt. 7. Soon after you get on 7, you'll see the Burger King on the left. Maybe a mile or less. If you miss it, just flip a U-turn and come back. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: vulgar_power [SMTP:vulgar_power@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:02 AM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: memorial day ride was Re: Daniels big questions :) > > can someone give me more specific directions to this BK in Sterling? my > starting point will be Manassas, and i would prefer NOT to take 66. > thanks > for the help, i hope to see you all there. > > jay > 2K Shadow ACE CD > > > "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > > Brian McCoy posted about it a week or so ago.. prolly right in the > > middle of all you finals... > > Route isn't 100% set yet, but will likely be similar to the one we took > > last time I was there... > > Meeting at the usual BK in Sterling along route 7 at 0900 and pulling > > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 09:53:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NDrEk25921 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va22-42.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.170]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24657; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392AB80B.9DA4CAF1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:55:39 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR References: <20000523120628.2229.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, That's 'cause we are not weenie wannabe poser sportbike riders and ride hard! %^) As Bryan noted in his post, I was riding my streetbike ('93 GSXR 750) at CSS but the crash damage is pretty much cosmetic. I can now "pose" as a racer boy with a scuffed up fairing and leathers! %^) Chuck Tom Gimer wrote: > > You guys are friggin amazing. At Watkins Glen CSS > there were 2 crashes total....at VIR 4 DC-Cyclers > crashed? I love it. > > Nobody crashed their street bikes, did they? From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 09:58:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NDvxk25989 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va22-42.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.170]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10704; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392AB99C.A1B65441@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:02:20 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janey Cohen CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: DC Cycles at CSS@VIR & Group Ride References: <01BFC43E.59EBB820@ppp-boonet2-32.boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt (aka Janey)... Hope you will be at Bike Night 2 at CarPool on June 11th. Since we didn't really do it at the track, we need to try and get some sort of group photo. Unfortunately, I'm out of town for the next couple of weekends so won't be able to do any dc-cycles rides. Kinda bummed about missing riding with Collin again. Would highly recommend that if you're in town, you hook up with Collin and Brian McCoy (whom I'm never met or ridden with but have traded emails with) for their Memorial Day weekend ride. Chuck Janey Cohen wrote: > > Everything happened so fast that I didn't have time to think about the crash until after I exited the turn following the corkscrew. I think your original assessment was right: Too much throttle coming out of the turn. > > I live in the Kalorama/Adams Morgan area of DC, and I've been following the list intermittently for quite awhile. I bought my first bike (a 94 Yamaha XT350) from Anita Lauro, a former list contributor. (If anyone out there is thinking about a dual sport as a first bike, drop me a line. It was a great choice for me.) After 1 1/2 years of riding a small dual sport, I sold it to another lister, Todd Peer (I hope the XT350 is still running, Todd!), and moved up (way up) to 96 VFR750. > > I've been meaning to join a group ride for a long time. I subscribe to the digest, so I've missed out on a few last-minute rides. I typically ride on Sundays, and my usual routes take me to Leesburg, Front Royal, Frederick, So. Maryland, WV, and anywhere else within riding distance of DC. > > If anyone's planning a Sunday ride (any Sunday, any ride) let me know. > > Kurt Slawson > 96 VFR750 > (Janey is my wife; hence, the email address) From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 10:08:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NE8Ok26124 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va22-42.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.170]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04247 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392ABC13.E7A1121@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:12:51 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have one word to describe the corkscrew at VIR: WAHOO! %^) It really is a roller coaster ride. Even going "slow", it feels like you're screaming down it. And with any kind of entry speed and coming on the throttle it's like Mr. Toad's Wild Ride at Disneyland! Definitely lots of fun. But easy to get suckered into. And even more interesting since the corkscrew is followed immediately by a 180/hairpin. Chuck, aka Skittles BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > think all but 4 turns are off-camber, as a matter of fact. The corkscrew is > particularly nasty, as it's downhill, off-camber, and has a blind entry. The From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 10:16:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4NEGmk26270 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000523132052.17617.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:20:52 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: memorial day ride was Re: Daniels big questions :) To: "Coleman, Perry" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Perry, I wouldn't quite call it right across the street, but you're thinking of the right area. The BK I'm referring to is about 1/2 a mile further west than the NOVA campus on the same side (North) of route 7. If you pass route 28, you have gone too far, turn around and come back two stop lights. If you haven't seen the NOVA campus, you haven't gone far enough. :) It is right out by the road, so it will be pretty hard to miss. And we usually try to park where we can be seen from the road.... The route in general (no detailed plans yet) will be designed so that folks can come out and enjoy the ride, but if they need to break off for another engagement, we will never be too far from a main road so they can zip back to wherever. Hope to see lots of you out there....especially some of the newer names/faces.... if you can't make the ride, maybe just come out for a cup of joe while we all gather??? Collin ps: I cc'd the whole list for those that may not know where the BK is at... hope you don't mind... --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Collin, > > Is that BK sort of across the street from an institute of higher > learning? > NOVA/Loudon, or something? Anyway, > I don't > know if we'll make it, but I want to keep my options open... ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 10:17:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NEHWk26280 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id u.98.556f318 (4328); Tue, 23 May 2000 10:17:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <98.556f318.265beced@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:17:17 EDT Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/23/00 10:09:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > And with any kind of entry speed and coming on the > throttle it's like Mr. Toad's Wild Ride at Disneyland! Definitely lots > of fun. But easy to get suckered into. And even more interesting since > the corkscrew is followed immediately by a 180/hairpin. And if you back off the trottle at the bottom to try and slow for the aforementioned hairpin, the front loads up and tends to slide (understeer is NOT desirable on a motorcycle) ... trust me on this one... - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 10:23:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4NEMgk26526 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:22:30 -0700 Message-ID: <392ABE2C.53090458@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:21:48 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: References: <20000523062707.28910.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Dale, > > It may sound kind of odd at first, but it's on purpose.... > > I am going to have a very tough time putting it into words, so bear > with me.... > > Unstable vehicles handle fast than very stable ones. Collin, Thanks, made perfect sense. I know about unstable aircraft being very maneuverable, just wasn't sure if it applied to bikes. I liked your broom analogy. This explains why taller, top heavy bikes seem to corner pretty well. I was never able to get such a clear explanation before. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 10:25:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from osd.mil (firewall-user@XXXXXX [140.185.28.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NEPJk26618 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by osd.mil; id JAA25734; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:26:57 GMT Received: from quasar.acq.osd.mil(134.152.48.171) by gateway2.osd.mil via smap (V4.2) id xma025127; Tue, 23 May 00 09:26:27 GMT Received: by quasar.acq.osd.mil(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 852568E8.004FBCA8 ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:30:56 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: OUSD_AT From: "Adam D Bowers -CTR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568E8.004FBB01.00@quasar.acq.osd.mil> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:21:55 -0400 Subject: Re: dc inspection info wanted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>An acquaintence wants to know how picky DC inspection is on motorcycles. She has working turnsignals attached with hoseclamps, and a cracked reflector. Are these grounds for rejection? Anyone been through recently?<< I know in VA that taking it to any inspection station is legal...and since they don't work on bikes, they don't know what the hell to look for...especially at the gas station ones...and if one fails you I'm sure that another won't...there are ways around...especially w/ motorcycles. hoseclamps no problem...and as long as it's just a reflector and not a light cover then I think you will be fine. If it was a light cover and you can see the bulb through the hole then they will fail it...just a reflector is not a problem. On my bike they had completely fallen off =) Adam D. Bowers (703) 693-6521 x163 Bravo Team Analyst OUSD(A&T) Information Management Technology From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 10:33:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NEXLk26851 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id l.96.52d787d (4328); Tue, 23 May 2000 10:30:21 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <96.52d787d.265beffc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:30:20 EDT Subject: Re: To: Horkster@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/23/00 10:26:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > This explains why taller, top heavy bikes seem to corner pretty > well. I was never able to get such a clear explanation before. :) It's also one of the reasons the Ducati bikes handle so differently than those Japanese types. The twin sits lower (with the front cylinder pointed at the front wheel) and has a slightly lower CoG (all other things withstanding... rake, trail, etc). You have to TELL a Ducati where to go... once there, it's rock solid. Definitely a different ride. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 10:42:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NEgZk27008 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-08.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.200]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01123 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392AC415.854DFB4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:47:01 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR References: <98.556f318.265beced@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is why going to CSS (or some other formal track school, e.g., dP Safety, Penguin, STAR, etc.) is such an valuable experience. A "normal" street rider (even an experienced one) might be inclined to do just that (slow for the hairpin). Certainly, your survival instincts will be telling you to do so! But you have to do just the opposite -- not slow down. This is also why the CSS 4th gear, no brakes drill works so well. It forces you to focus on throttle control and proper entry speed. At VIR, the idea is to carry just the right amount of speed down the corkscrew so that as you come out of it you basically have the pretty much the right entry speed for the hairpin without having to brake or roll off the throttle. It really is a case of understanding how all the turns work together (rather than just 3 individual turns) and knowing where to go "slow" and where to go "fast". Skittles BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > And if you back off the trottle at the bottom to try and slow for the > aforementioned hairpin, the front loads up and tends to slide (understeer is > NOT desirable on a motorcycle) ... trust me on this one... From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 10:42:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NEgrk27018 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA27584 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <029401bfc4c5$4f46e1b0$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: <98.556f318.265beced@aol.com> Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:43:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Ichy said, > snip,...the front loads up and tends to slide (understeer is > NOT desirable on a motorcycle) ... trust me on this one... > > - Bri > Really? Are you sure about that? Ha ha ha..... :( Especially not a good thing when the suspension is too soft for my fat butt. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA www.onewayracing.org WERA & CCS Amateur # 903 Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591, http://209.143.154.97/~dthompso//Index.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 11:08:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4NF7vk27433 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 23 May 2000 08:07:57 -0700 Message-ID: <392AC8CD.99CF387B@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:07:09 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Rent a Harley in DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read about this in the Washington Post. A local place where you can rent Harleys. Neat website. http://www.streeteagle.com $120 for a six hour ride. Enough time to see if the illusion is real? Hmm.... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 11:15:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f102.hotmail.com [216.32.181.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4NFFuk27795 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41974 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 2000 15:15:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000523151543.41973.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.211.204.202 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2000 08:15:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.211.204.202] From: "No Body" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: memorial day ride was ..anyone from Arlington Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:15:43 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Anyone going to this ride from Arlington Crystal City area? I would like to ride with ya. Regards >From: "Collin T. Fagan" >To: "Coleman, Perry" >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: memorial day ride was Re: Daniels big questions :) >Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:20:52 -0700 (PDT) > >Perry, >I wouldn't quite call it right across the street, but you're thinking >of the right area. > >The BK I'm referring to is about 1/2 a mile further west than the NOVA >campus on the same side (North) of route 7. If you pass route 28, you >have gone too far, turn around and come back two stop lights. If you >haven't seen the NOVA campus, you haven't gone far enough. :) It is >right out by the road, so it will be pretty hard to miss. And we >usually try to park where we can be seen from the road.... > >The route in general (no detailed plans yet) will be designed so that >folks can come out and enjoy the ride, but if they need to break off >for another engagement, we will never be too far from a main road so >they can zip back to wherever. > >Hope to see lots of you out there....especially some of the newer >names/faces.... if you can't make the ride, maybe just come out for a >cup of joe while we all gather??? > >Collin > >ps: I cc'd the whole list for those that may not know where the BK is >at... hope you don't mind... > > >--- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > > Collin, > > > > Is that BK sort of across the street from an institute of higher > > learning? > > NOVA/Loudon, or something? Anyway, > > I don't > > know if we'll make it, but I want to keep my options open... > > >===== >Collin T. Fagan >DC-Cycles Racing >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >Proudly sponsored by: >Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) >Dixie Cycles >Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 11:31:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4NFVek28161 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phn-az31-22.rasserver.net [198.211.106.22] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 23 May 2000 08:31:19 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:28:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bfc4cb$98f34c30$166ad3c6@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal woohoo.. a DC-Cycles ride.. To bad it only seems to happen when Collin's in town. Come on people, enough of you have followed Collin/Anita on the roads to know where to turn, where to eat and what roads are fun for the type of riding you're interested in. Oh-well.. Lets see how many of you lurkers we can draw out into the open.. How many people will YOU know when you show up? (By face, in person.. not just some name flashing across your screen). This is NOT something just for the 'rice-rocket' crowd (though, Collin does tend to satisfy those folks).. heck, I'd rather like to ride Mr. Roaches HD around for the ride (should it be available.. :) This is about a Gathering, getting the enthusiasts who bore everyone close to us in everyday life, together in one place.... And like Collin said - if you'd rather not ride (or can't ride with us), drop by in the morning for a cup of Joe and say hello. Is there anyone out there who doesn't know when and where we're meeting? Drop me a line (direct or over the list) and I'll get you set up... Also, I'd love to have a BBQ or some place for people to go after the ride... anyone up for hosting a little shindig? I know the Zells had the Superbowl party, and Bryan has the roadrace parties.. anyone else care to step up and show off their place, cook up something and have a grand ole Memorial Day get together? Brian McCoy - 'The Instigator' From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 11:34:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NFYAk28184 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id u.4a.5c8951e (4328); Tue, 23 May 2000 11:33:56 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4a.5c8951e.265bfee4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:33:56 EDT Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/23/00 10:46:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > A "normal" > street rider (even an experienced one) might be inclined to do just that > (slow for the hairpin). Certainly, your survival instincts will be > telling you to do so! Screw normal... I *knew* I was going too fast from previous experience with the aforementioned left hander (Steve Clark commented there were nice sparks coming from my bike one time as I ran out of ground clearance). Even with a super-late turn in scrubbing off some speed my only option was to slow it down or visit the grass on the exit :) Of course, dragging my knee as I entered the blind left hander at the top should have been a clue I was going in a weeee bit too fast... but it was so much FUN going down that thing!! What I ended up figuring out was that I could stand the bike up in the entry to the left hander, use a touch of brakes, then flick it in... it let me run a pretty good clip down the 'screw and not plant myself into the pavement at the bottom. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 11:42:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NFgXk28371 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id i.15.42eec4a (4328); Tue, 23 May 2000 11:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15.42eec4a.265c00be@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:41:50 EDT Subject: Re: memorial day ride was ..anyone from Arlington To: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/23/00 11:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kewlgt@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone going to this ride from Arlington Crystal City area? I would like to > ride with ya. I'll be going up from Alexandria, which is kinda/sorta close to you :) I'm right off 395 at Edsal Rd. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 11:48:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from osd.mil (firewall-user@XXXXXX [140.185.28.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NFmwk28459 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by osd.mil; id LAA02464; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:47:51 GMT Received: from quasar.acq.osd.mil(134.152.48.171) by gateway1.osd.mil via smap (V4.2) id xma001622; Tue, 23 May 00 11:47:14 GMT Received: by quasar.acq.osd.mil(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 852568E8.005761D4 ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:54:26 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: OUSD_AT From: "Adam D Bowers -CTR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568E8.005760F6.00@quasar.acq.osd.mil> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:45:27 -0400 Subject: RE: memorial day ride was ..anyone from Arlington Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline which day is the ride?...is it on Memorial Monday or on the saturday of the weekend? I don't have my bike yet (sold my FZR 2mos. ago and I am still waiting on my new one) but I would like to come up there and say howdy to everyone anyhow. Adam D. Bowers (703) 693-6521 x163 Bravo Team Analyst OUSD(A&T) Information Management Technology From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 12:44:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NGink29501 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-161.s161.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.161] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12uHnS-0005b1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:44:46 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01bfc471$bbaa1e20$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Fw: Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:45:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Here Here... Well said Brian. There are certainly enough of us on the > list, and I'd really like to get out and meet some people in person. I've > been out on one big ride and a couple little ones, and had a blast > everytime. Everyone that is available should try and come out, as all the > people I've met have been really friendly. This time we have enough notice > to hopefully get a lot of people out there. A barbecue would be great too, > and I'd be happy to offer up my place, except I live in an apartment > complex... I'll cook though, I've got a couple years worth of grill cook > experience. :-) > > Kirt > > ps - Brian, if you could forward me date, time, and directions I'd really > appreciate that so I could zip it along to a few friends in the area that > aren't on the list yet. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian McCoy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:28 AM > > > > woohoo.. a DC-Cycles ride.. > > > > To bad it only seems to happen when Collin's in town. Come on people, > > enough of you have followed Collin/Anita on the roads to know where to > turn, > > where to eat and what roads are fun for the type of riding you're > interested > > in. > > > > Oh-well.. Lets see how many of you lurkers we can draw out into the > open.. > > How many people will YOU know when you show up? (By face, in person.. not > > just some name flashing across your screen). This is NOT something just > for > > the 'rice-rocket' crowd (though, Collin does tend to satisfy those > folks).. > > heck, I'd rather like to ride Mr. Roaches HD around for the ride (should > it > > be available.. :) This is about a Gathering, getting the enthusiasts who > > bore everyone close to us in everyday life, together in one place.... > > > > And like Collin said - if you'd rather not ride (or can't ride with us), > > drop by in the morning for a cup of Joe and say hello. Is there anyone > out > > there who doesn't know when and where we're meeting? Drop me a line > (direct > > or over the list) and I'll get you set up... > > > > Also, I'd love to have a BBQ or some place for people to go after the > > ride... anyone up for hosting a little shindig? I know the Zells had the > > Superbowl party, and Bryan has the roadrace parties.. anyone else care to > > step up and show off their place, cook up something and have a grand ole > > Memorial Day get together? > > > > Brian McCoy - 'The Instigator' > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 12:46:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NGk9k29576 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-161.s161.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.161] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12uHol-0005sP-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:46:07 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bfc471$ec3e07e0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <15.42eec4a.265c00be@aol.com> Subject: Re: memorial day ride was ..anyone from Arlington Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:46:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 and I'm in Annandale, so I won't be too far either. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: Re: memorial day ride was ..anyone from Arlington > In a message dated 5/23/00 11:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > kewlgt@XXXXXX writes: > > > Anyone going to this ride from Arlington Crystal City area? I would like to > > ride with ya. > > I'll be going up from Alexandria, which is kinda/sorta close to you :) I'm > right off 395 at Edsal Rd. > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 13:18:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4NHIQk00213 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000523171816.6105.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.190] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:18:16 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR To: Chuck Pena Cc: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hear ya Chuck....but you don't have to crash to prove you ride hard, and I think you know that (hence the smiley). Glenn Dysart and I did CSS at Watkins Glen in the fall of '98. There was only one rider faster than us (in the peon level 1 class), and if I had a 916 (like this guy) rather than that pig-of-a-ZX11, I'd have smoked him as well. At least that's what I tell myself! Just picked up the 996.....and of course I stalled it on the way out of the lot like a worthless piece of newbie shit! Pitiful, yet still quite funny. --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Tom, > > That's 'cause we are not weenie wannabe poser > sportbike riders and ride > hard! %^) As Bryan noted in his post, I was riding > my streetbike ('93 > GSXR 750) at CSS but the crash damage is pretty much > cosmetic. I can > now "pose" as a racer boy with a scuffed up fairing > and leathers! %^) > > Chuck > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > You guys are friggin amazing. At Watkins Glen CSS > > there were 2 crashes total....at VIR 4 DC-Cyclers > > crashed? I love it. > > > > Nobody crashed their street bikes, did they? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 13:48:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4NHm4k00764 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000523174757.1849.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:47:57 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: memorial day ride was Re: Daniels big questions :) To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "Coleman, Perry" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are you actually doing this ride on Monday? Glenn --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > Perry, > I wouldn't quite call it right across the street, > but you're thinking > of the right area. > > The BK I'm referring to is about 1/2 a mile further > west than the NOVA > campus on the same side (North) of route 7. If you > pass route 28, you > have gone too far, turn around and come back two > stop lights. If you > haven't seen the NOVA campus, you haven't gone far > enough. :) It is > right out by the road, so it will be pretty hard to > miss. And we > usually try to park where we can be seen from the > road.... > > The route in general (no detailed plans yet) will be > designed so that > folks can come out and enjoy the ride, but if they > need to break off > for another engagement, we will never be too far > from a main road so > they can zip back to wherever. > > Hope to see lots of you out there....especially some > of the newer > names/faces.... if you can't make the ride, maybe > just come out for a > cup of joe while we all gather??? > > Collin > > ps: I cc'd the whole list for those that may not > know where the BK is > at... hope you don't mind... > > > --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > > Collin, > > > > Is that BK sort of across the street from an > institute of higher > > learning? > > NOVA/Loudon, or something? Anyway, > > I don't > > know if we'll make it, but I want to keep my > options open... > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! > Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 14:34:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bastion3.mail.sprint.com (bastion3.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.131]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NIYKk01586 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 14:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion3.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:34:04 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:34:00 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24372 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:33:59 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA26896 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 14:33:59 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:33:58 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: NON-MOTO: ISO stacking washer/dryer unit and kitchen sink cabinet TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-1620f21c-00000001" --openmail-part-1620f21c-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone and please excuse the non-motorcycle content of this post: I'm ISO of a used stacking washer and dryer unit (like the kind you find in condos) OR a very inexpensive washer and dryer set - under $200 for set. Scratches or dings OK, color doesn't matter. Also, ISO of used kitchen sink cabinet(s). Don't necessarily need the sink or countertop but do need the cabinet(s). Any color OK, would prefer cabinet(s) be 4' long to accommodate 4' counter top. Would love to pay less than $75, if possible. Can anyone help? - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-1620f21c-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 14:45:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f112.hotmail.com [209.185.131.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4NIjOk01801 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 14:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85735 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 2000 18:45:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000523184510.85734.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:45:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: alarix_NOSPAM_@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Breaking news on WTOP Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:45:10 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Of course!!! My wife (who's always a passenger) had to do several presentations dealing with preconcieved notions and work. She'd start off this set presentation by listing several statements about herself. The audience was supposed to pick the true and false statements. It never failed, no matter how insanely stupid the other statements, people always thought that the statement "I love riding motorcycles with my husband" was false. Why? because most people have a really stupid and narrow image of women, motorcycles, who rides motorcycle and their passengers! A 30ish woman giving a presentation in a business suit just doesn't fit! >I'd say the general public still doesn't think of women as having their own >ride ... I consistently encounter surprise (and "damn baby is that yours??? >how fast does that thing go?" and "you RIDE????") ... along with "you ride? >COOL!" ....... I read a statistic somewhere that something like 2% of >motorcycle owners are women ... and what percent of the population own >bikes? (not many) ...... so it's understandable that the pop culture would >pick it up as a "big" story ... > > >>>>>>>> Marcy > >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F > >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. > What you do with them is up to you. > > [Remove the "_NOSPAM_" to reply] > >---------- > >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/22/00 > >Date: Mon, May 22, 2000, 7:00 PM > > > > > As I drove into work this morning (yeah, I took the car, thunderstorms >don't > > appeal to me) I was listening to WTOP. One of their news stories was >about a > > woman has her own Harley, and rode down to Myrtle Beach with her husband >this > > year rather than ride on the back. I kept waiting to hear the main >point of > > the story, but that was it. Huh??? Maybe we should introduce them to > > Jeannette, Linda, Tracy, and all the other women here who ride their own >bikes. > > Seems like the news folks at WTOP impress easily. :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 15:35:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NJZXk02620 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01906; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392ADDB7.7F6657D0@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:36:23 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ursulina viteri , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: NON-MOTO: ISO stacking washer/dryer unit and kitchen sink cabinet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ursulina, There's a Salvation Army store in my area, (Pasadena, Maryland) that sells used, reconditioned washers and dryers for $80.00 each. I bought a set from them and they lasted the 3 years that I was renting that house. They were still going strong when I left them there. Check your phone book for their locations. You might get lucky. This reminds me, I've got to stop by there soon. Maybe they've got some used leathers. ;) Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org ursulina viteri wrote: > Hello everyone and please excuse the non-motorcycle content of this > post: > > I'm ISO of a used stacking washer and dryer unit (like the kind > you find in condos) OR a very inexpensive washer and dryer set - under > $200 for set. Scratches or dings OK, color doesn't matter. > > Also, ISO of used kitchen sink cabinet(s). Don't necessarily need > the sink or countertop but do need the cabinet(s). Any color OK, would > prefer cabinet(s) be 4' long to accommodate 4' counter top. Would love > to pay less than $75, if possible. > > Can anyone help? > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 16:21:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NKLfk03339 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-19.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.83]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26240; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392B132C.7E43E04E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:24:28 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: 'Crash' Kitchell at CSS@VIR References: <20000523171816.6105.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit P-O-S-E-R! %^) Actually, I'm just jealous. I would gladly stall a Duc 996. I hope you're planning to come to Bike Night 2 at CarPool on June 11th to show off your new toy. Maybe you can stall it in the parking lot! %^) Cheers, Chuck Tom Gimer wrote : > > Just picked up the 996.....and of course I stalled it > on the way out of the lot like a worthless piece of > newbie shit! Pitiful, yet still quite funny. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 16:50:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NKoIk03749 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-203-12.s266.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.203.12] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12uLd2-00025Y-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:50:17 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: If you've ever wanted to Document.... Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:44:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfc4f7$a6c110a0$0ccb7ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ...a 1000 mile day, get your IBA certificate and a neato IBA "Worlds Toughest Motorcyclists" license plate holder, along with a rally commemoration, consider the Mason Dixon 2020. Join us and you will be in good company. If you've ever considered over 1000 miles in less than 24 hours (20hrs and 20 minutes for this challenge), this is the time and place to do it. The trip route is pre-planned with close to 50% of it traversing through WV via US50 and then into eastern OH, and then north. All of it kick ass twisty roadway, mostly the double yellow variety. From then on you will slab into Northern PA and across NY via the exciting I17 over to I81, south back to Hagarstown to finish. Learn more about this event here http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, '92 CB750 (for Sale), '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V (The Beast) * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 17:04:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NL4nk03903 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:04:50 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062ADD@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: AMA at Road Atlanta Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:32:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone going to watch the Superbike Races at Road Atlanta? I am flying to Atlanta on Thursday, June 1 and staying at the Lake Lanier Hilton until June 4th. Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 18:08:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NM86k05159 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-46.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.238]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01438; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392B2BC9.B1465B35@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:09:29 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Karen Pena Subject: Stuff for sale (some it cool!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am posting this for someone who works with my wife (Karen). If you're interested (or have any questions), please contact her directly at her office (703) 522-1001 or via email at kgpena@XXXXXX. She actually has the stuff at her office if you want to look at it. Prices are negotiable. - Arai Quantum Kevin Schwantz rep, autographed, medium, $450 - Arai Maverick, matte gray (might be a custom paint job), medium, $450 - Alpinestars boots (don't know what model), black, size 12, $15 (no, that's not a typo!) - Dainese gloves (3 pairs), different colors, large, $50 for all 3 - Furgany leather jacket, black, large, $100 - Dainese leather pants, black, large, $100 NOTE: Will sell the above jacket and pants as a set for $175 - Dainese Gore-tex jacket, red/black, large $150 - Dainese Gore-tex pants, black, large, $100 NOTE: Will sell the Gore-tex jacket and pants as a set for $200 - Helmet camera, $2000 ($4500 new). Recording device is in a padded case that you wear as a fannypack. Optics are attached via a cord and has a helmet mount. Probably the same/similar to what all those looney, hooligan, nutter Brits use for the FastBikes vids. Chuck, aka Skittles P.S. The helmet cam would've been way, way cool at CSS@ VIR! %^) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 18:08:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NM8Dk05162 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-46.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.238]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15894; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392B2BD4.D077011F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:09:40 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Karen Pena Subject: Stuff for sale (some it cool!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am posting this for someone who works with my wife (Karen). If you're interested (or have any questions), please contact her directly at her office (703) 522-1001 or via email at kgpena@XXXXXX. She actually has the stuff at her office if you want to look at it. Prices are negotiable. - Arai Quantum Kevin Schwantz rep, autographed, medium, $450 - Arai Maverick, matte gray (might be a custom paint job), medium, $450 - Alpinestars boots (don't know what model), black, size 12, $15 (no, that's not a typo!) - Dainese gloves (3 pairs), different colors, large, $50 for all 3 - Furgany leather jacket, black, large, $100 - Dainese leather pants, black, large, $100 NOTE: Will sell the above jacket and pants as a set for $175 - Dainese Gore-tex jacket, red/black, large $150 - Dainese Gore-tex pants, black, large, $100 NOTE: Will sell the Gore-tex jacket and pants as a set for $200 - Helmet camera, $2000 ($4500 new). Recording device is in a padded case that you wear as a fannypack. Optics are attached via a cord and has a helmet mount. Probably the same/similar to what all those looney, hooligan, nutter Brits use for the FastBikes vids. Chuck, aka Skittles P.S. The helmet cam would've been way, way cool at CSS@ VIR! %^) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 19:23:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NNNOk06244 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.115] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP203.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.115]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27952 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005232323.QAA27952@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:08:19 -0400 Subject: Re:off-camber ...? From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit what are off-camber turns? >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. [Remove the "_NOSPAM_" to reply] ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/23/00 >Date: Tue, May 23, 2000, 7:00 PM > > all but 4 turns are off-camber From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 19:39:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4NNd0k06474 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.9f.5bd3ab8 (7776) for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9f.5bd3ab8.265c7069@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:38:17 EDT Subject: Re: off-camber ...? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 > what are off-camber turns? A normal turn is banked with the lower part of the roadway on the inside of the turn, so that in a cage, you lean outward less, and on a bike, you lean inward less (the banked ovals that NASCAR uses are examples of this). Centripetal force plants you in the turn firmly. (kinda like riding on the inside of a barrel) An off-camber turn is just the opposite, it banks away from the direction of the turn. Taken fast enough, you'd fly off the roadway. (like riding on the outside of the above barrel) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 20:08:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4O08Ik06927 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-114.patriot.net [209.249.180.114]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA06546; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:08:11 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <392B1C27.DE1B8A02@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:02:47 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: off-camber ...? References: <200005232323.QAA27952@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To shed rain, roads have camber, sloping off to the sides. All public roads should be "super-elevated" (engineer term) in the turns, meaning instead of the crown the tilt on the inside is carried thru the outside lane - see MJ's post RE racetrack banking. This super-elevation allows one to cruise thru a turn that is banked - EXCEPT - subdivisions and the like don't super-elevate, speeds are to slow. And on occassion a toen road will not be properly banked for the same reason, approved speed to low to sweat it. UNTIL, super-squid tries taking non-SE road. The negative camber is a bugger bear. The inside of the bike will touch down way sooner than expected and *crunch*, what we have there is your basic single vehicle (m/c) accident. Bill Marcy wrote: > what are off-camber turns? > > >>>>>>>> Marcy > >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F > >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. > What you do with them is up to you. > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 23 22:35:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4O2ZEk08936 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-55.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.119]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00339; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392B6A67.EC31DA89@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:36:39 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: off-camber ...? References: <200005232323.QAA27952@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably the easiest way to describe "off camber" is that the outside of the turn slopes away from you (i.e., the inside of the turn). A couple of easy ways to know that you're in and off camber turn: (a) even rolling on the throttle, the bike seems to want to keep running to the outside of the turn and/or (b) when you glance to the outside of the turn you have the definite feeling that you are on a point of ground that is higher. Chuck, aka Skittles Marcy wrote: > > what are off-camber turns? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 07:44:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4OBiHk17101 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000524114410.15101.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:44:10 PDT Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 04:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: off-camber ...? To: Bill Huson , Marcy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, your 'basic single-vehicle m/c accident' involves a left hander in which the rider panics and hits the brakes mid-turn....a lowside like the situation Bill has has described is not as common because instinct tells a rider to brake rather than lean further. Additionally, being a squid (Someone Quite Underdressed Inviting Disaster) has NOTHING AT ALL to do with accident rates. Bill might actually be labeled a squid if he road a UJM (and this may be news to him). --- Bill Huson wrote: > To shed rain, roads have camber, sloping off to the > sides. All public roads > should be "super-elevated" (engineer term) in the > turns, meaning instead of > the crown the tilt on the inside is carried thru the > outside lane - see MJ's > post RE racetrack banking. This super-elevation > allows one to cruise thru a > turn that is banked - EXCEPT - subdivisions and the > like don't super-elevate, > speeds are to slow. And on occassion a toen road > will not be properly banked > for the same reason, approved speed to low to sweat > it. UNTIL, super-squid > tries taking non-SE road. The negative camber is a > bugger bear. The inside > of the bike will touch down way sooner than expected > and *crunch*, what we > have there is your basic single vehicle (m/c) > accident. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 09:09:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bastion1.mail.sprint.com (bastion.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.129]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4OD9Vk18206 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 09:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion1.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:09:11 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:09:08 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09567 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:09:07 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21238 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 09:09:06 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:09:06 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Breaking news on WTOP / female riders TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-16289891-00000001" --openmail-part-16289891-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline I heard the number of female riders was 8%, but that claim was from BMW which says the bulk of female riders ride their bikes. ?? - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (jap bike owner until someone GIVES me a BMW or Harley) ************************ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:36:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Breaking news on WTOP From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd say the general public still doesn't think of women as having their own ride ... I consistently encounter surprise (and "damn baby is that yours??? how fast does that thing go?" and "you RIDE????") ... along with "you ride? COOL!" ....... I read a statistic somewhere that something like 2% of motorcycle owners are women ... and what percent of the population own bikes? (not many) ...... so it's understandable that the pop culture would pick it up as a "big" story ... >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. - - Ursulina Viteri, Exec Secretary to Dave Berry, Large Business Sales Sprint, 2002 Edmund Halley Drive, Reston, VA 20191 703-295-5668 / F 703-295-5912 / VARESC0207 --openmail-part-16289891-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 10:10:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4OEAAk19004 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06560; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:09:51 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <392BE160.E1B8CDAE@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:04:16 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ursulina viteri CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Breaking news on WTOP / female riders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harley Davidson claims 10% of new bike sales are to women. So much for the H-D Bad Boy image... Maybe Bad Girls? My favorite kind :-) MSF RiderCourse classes are about 1/3 female. I attribute this number to females being somewhat smarter than testostrone driven "I know to ride" males. Bill ursulina viteri wrote: > I heard the number of female riders was 8%, but that claim was from BMW > which says the bulk of female riders ride their bikes. ?? > > - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (jap bike owner until someone GIVES me a BMW or > Harley) > ************************ > Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:36:31 -0400 > Subject: Re: Breaking news on WTOP > From: "Marcy" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I'd say the general public still doesn't think of women as having their > own > ride ... I consistently encounter surprise (and "damn baby is that > yours??? > how fast does that thing go?" and "you RIDE????") ... along with "you > ride? > COOL!" ....... I read a statistic somewhere that something like 2% of > motorcycle owners are women ... and what percent of the population own > bikes? (not many) ...... so it's understandable that the pop culture > would > pick it up as a "big" story ... > > >>>>>>>> Marcy > >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F > >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them > there. > What you do with them is up to you. > > - - Ursulina Viteri, Exec Secretary to Dave Berry, Large Business Sales > Sprint, 2002 Edmund Halley Drive, Reston, VA 20191 > 703-295-5668 / F 703-295-5912 / VARESC0207 From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 10:10:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4OEArk19016 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-15.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.207]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06790; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392C0E05.AAA9E727@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:14:45 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike,rec.motorcycles To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike Night 2 reminder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a reminder to everyone that Bike Night 2 will be at CarPool in Arlington, VA on Sunday, June 11th, 5 to 9pm. Full details are on our website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ We are still working with various shops/businesses to have them support the event and will update the website accordingly. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 10:17:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4OEHBk19154 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4OEGi825334 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:16:47 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Hope this isn't one of us ! Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:09:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bfc589$a6a6bd80$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nice graphic. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" We law abiding listers would never resort to this sort of hooligisms would we ? http://www.geocities.com/mpoulsen_2000/oops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 10:59:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4OExok20103 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA04471 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:59:44 -0400 (EDT) From: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32054; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:59:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200005241459.KAA32054@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Thoughts on CSS In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 May 2000 09:20:21 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:59:38 -0400 In your message dated: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:20:21 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => In a message dated 5/23/00 8:09:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, => t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: => => > ou guys are friggin amazing. At Watkins Glen CSS => > there were 2 crashes total....at VIR 4 DC-Cyclers => > crashed? I love it. => => And we weren't the only ones. On Thurs (before the rest of the DC-Cycles crew => arived) there were like 5 crashes, two of which involved injuries. The south => course of VIR is a great training course in that it's made up completely of => nasty things like off-camber, and/or blind, and/or decreasing radius turns. I => think all but 4 turns are off-camber, as a matter of fact. The corkscrew is => particularly nasty, as it's downhill, off-camber, and has a blind entry. The => things will just suck you in and before you know it, there's nowhere to go => but the grass. OK, I've never been to CSS... However, I've taken CLASS 4 times and CSS once. I saw more crashes at CSS (at Loudon) than I saw at all 4 CLASS (2 @ the Glen, 2 @ Loudon) sessions. Frankly, I was so disappointed with the teaching at CSS that I doubt I'll take it again. After taking CLASS 4 times, the classroom stuff is quite repetitive, and you do have to work a bit to get an instructor to focus on you on the track (unless you are at an extreme of good or bad!). I'd be happy to give anyone more information on my perceptions of the two schools off the list. We don't need a higher noise/signal ratio right now. Mark -- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 11:02:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.digizen.net ([216.22.32.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4OF2Ak20275 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 11:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005241502.e4OF2Ak20275@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 11107 invoked from network); 24 May 2000 03:01:07 -0000 Received: from ppp2-42.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (216.22.32.42) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 24 May 2000 03:01:07 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Re: dc inspection Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:04:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DC inspection is visual only, no brakes, emissions, etc. I would rate it not very picky at all. They check the operation of lights and that's about it. It takes longer for the inspector to bring you your sticker than it does to perform the inspection. Basically they're just checking to see that the bike is not heavily modified and that it is set up for the street. That's why as a purchaser they won't issue you a new title or registration until you go down to Half St. SW. If you're lucky the staff will take pity on you and wave you to the front of the line and you'll get out of there quickly. Our cage is up for inspection in July and I'm not looking forward to it. They have expanded hours recently. I've had luck going in around 7 or 8 AM as far as wait times go. Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > > X-Lotus-FromDomain: OUSD_AT > From: "Adam D Bowers -CTR" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:21:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: dc inspection info wanted > Content-Disposition: inline > > > >>An acquaintence wants to know how picky DC inspection is on motorcycles. > She has working turnsignals attached with hoseclamps, and a cracked > reflector. Are these grounds for rejection? Anyone been through recently?<< > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 12:09:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4OG9mk21831 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-16.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.80]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07860 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392C2A07.7A22D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:14:15 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Thoughts on CSS References: <200005241459.KAA32054@merctech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, I'm confused. Did you mean to say that you've never been to VIR but have taken CSS??? Chuck bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK, I've never been to CSS... > > However, I've taken CLASS 4 times and CSS once. I saw more crashes at CSS (at Loudon) than I saw at all 4 CLASS (2 @ the Glen, 2 @ Loudon) sessions. Frankly, I was so disappointed with the teaching at CSS that I doubt I'll take it again. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 12:27:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (raphael.catholic.org [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4OGRKk22146 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4OGR0813343 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 09:27:00 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: non-leather jacket question Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:19:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bfc59b$d8ed5b20$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I was considering purchasing a nylon riding jacket as an alternative to my First Gear leather jacket, mostly because I don't want to have to put on a rain jacket over it when the weather turns bad. The few times I've been caught out without it, my First Gear bled dye all over my shirt and ruined it. The Honda nylon race jacket made by First Gear seams to fit me well and is reasonably priced. Has anyone had any experience with this model jacket and like and/or hated it? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 12:35:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4OGZNk22370 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01992; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:34:47 -0400 From: bergman@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200005241634.MAA01992@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Chuck Pena CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thoughts on CSS In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 2000 12:14:15 PDT." <392C2A07.7A22D@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:34:47 -0400 In your message dated: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:14:15 PDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => Mark, => => I'm confused. Did you mean to say that you've never been to VIR but => have taken CSS??? Yes. Ooops. I've never been to VIR so don't know if many of the crashes were attributable to VIR or the CSS style... Mark => => Chuck => => bergman@XXXXXX wrote: => > => > OK, I've never been to CSS... => > => > However, I've taken CLASS 4 times and CSS once. I saw more crashes at CSS (at Loudon) than I s => aw at all 4 CLASS (2 @ the Glen, 2 @ Loudon) sessions. Frankly, I was so disappointed with the t => eaching at CSS that I doubt I'll take it again. -- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 14:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4OI6Yk23970 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4OI6T829412 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 11:06:29 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: superbike racing Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:59:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bfc5a9$bea51ce0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Good tip on the list here a couple of days ago about the superbike races, they were incredible. Six different bikes in the top six spots! Not long ago it was nothing but a Ducati train with a Kawasaki caboose. The Monza finish was real nail biter, and seeing Slight just competing is fantastic; he had brain surgery just a few weeks ago. Looks like Gobert was just trying too hard, but he made it exciting for a short time. I'll definitely be watching the rest of the season. Someone on the list was looking for RL, formerly of CPS; I was down there on Sunday (sorry, momentary weakness) and the parts guy says that he's at Loudon Motorsports. You may want to call over there to see about parts for your restoration. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 22:31:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4P2VTk01926 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000525005959.4487.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:59:59 PDT Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Hope this isn't one of us To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The GW parkway has those silly things out all the time, and it never ceases to amaze me how many people jam on their brakes thinking the sign is going to jump out and give them a ticket or something. Of course, being the testosterone laden hooligan bad boy that I am, it seemed more of an invitation to me....I let traffic move off from me one afternoon on the way home from work when I knew we were approaching one of the things, then dropped the ole GSXR down to 3rd and let her rip. Unfortunately, they only have two digits on the ones on the parkway...I was going a whopping 08 mph ;-) Of course, then I had to stand on the binders since I had caught back up to traffic.......... Yes, it was very irresponsible, and utterly the worst place to open up the throttle, but dammit... it was just sooooo inviting! hehehehe CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 22:45:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4P2jmk02153 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-130-123.s631.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.130.123] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12uneb-0002El-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:45:45 -0400 Message-ID: <006901bfc58e$dc12a2e0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <20000525005959.4487.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Hope this isn't one of us Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:46:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 hahaha I did the EXACT same thing today... they have one about a mile south of Washington National Airport... My best speed was 27. :-) Went by three times, and then hung out for like an hour in the sunshine and watched the planes land. It was a beautiful fucking day to ride today. Went all over clifton and great falls. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Hope this isn't one of us > The GW parkway has those silly things out all the time, and it never > ceases to amaze me how many people jam on their brakes thinking the > sign is going to jump out and give them a ticket or something. > > Of course, being the testosterone laden hooligan bad boy that I am, it > seemed more of an invitation to me....I let traffic move off from me > one afternoon on the way home from work when I knew we were approaching > one of the things, then dropped the ole GSXR down to 3rd and let her > rip. Unfortunately, they only have two digits on the ones on the > parkway...I was going a whopping 08 mph ;-) > Of course, then I had to stand on the binders since I had caught back > up to traffic.......... > > Yes, it was very irresponsible, and utterly the worst place to open up > the throttle, but dammit... it was just sooooo inviting! hehehehe > > CT > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 24 23:05:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4P35Pk02419 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 23:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 24 May 2000 23:03:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hope this isn't one of us Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:03:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Watch out Kirt, haven't they put up a camera in that vicinity? If so, hopefully it can't pick up the huge grin inside your helmet, or you'll have no chance of getting off! Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Kirt S. [mailto:ksenser@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:47 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hope this isn't one of us hahaha I did the EXACT same thing today... they have one about a mile south of Washington National Airport... My best speed was 27. :-) Went by three times, and then hung out for like an hour in the sunshine and watched the planes land. It was a beautiful fucking day to ride today. Went all over clifton and great falls. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Hope this isn't one of us > The GW parkway has those silly things out all the time, and it never > ceases to amaze me how many people jam on their brakes thinking the > sign is going to jump out and give them a ticket or something. > > Of course, being the testosterone laden hooligan bad boy that I am, it > seemed more of an invitation to me....I let traffic move off from me > one afternoon on the way home from work when I knew we were approaching > one of the things, then dropped the ole GSXR down to 3rd and let her > rip. Unfortunately, they only have two digits on the ones on the > parkway...I was going a whopping 08 mph ;-) > Of course, then I had to stand on the binders since I had caught back > up to traffic.......... > > Yes, it was very irresponsible, and utterly the worst place to open up > the throttle, but dammit... it was just sooooo inviting! hehehehe > > CT > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 01:11:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3506.mail.yahoo.com (web3506.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4P5Bik04289 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000525051132.23754.qmail@web3506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.125] by web3506.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:11:32 PDT Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:11:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Draven D'Arc" Subject: Which DAY for Memorial Weekend ride ? To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey All! I've gleened the info regarding the Memorial Weekend/Day ride..I know folks are meeting at 9 a.m. at the B.K. in Sterling off Route 7 (sounds like the one at the entrance to the Countryside subdivision), somewhere along the line I missed the actual DAY that you are assembling. I know that Monday is Memorial Day but I still would like to confirm which day you intend to make the ride. Saturday, Sunday, or Monday? Little help? I'd definitely like to connect some faces with the names. Thanx, -Corbett (part-time lurker) '99 BMW K1200RS '88 Honda Hurricane 600 '81 Honda XL250R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 01:26:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3506.mail.yahoo.com (web3506.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4P5Qck04505 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000525052611.24579.qmail@web3506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.125] by web3506.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:26:11 PDT Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Draven D'Arc" Subject: The Crow Bar Biker Bash Memorial Weekend Block Party... To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody remember the The Crow Bar Biker Bash (block parties) on Memorial Weekends? It was on K St. in DC last year, but I haven't heard if any anyone was going to throw one this year. Steve Zarpas, former owner of The Crow Bar (before they tore it down) now is one of the owners of Revolution Coffee Lounge in Herndon http://www.revolutioncoffeelounge.com/ but I haven't heard anything out of there either. Anyone heard anything for this weekend? -Corbett '99 BMW K12RS '88 Hurricane 600 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 01:33:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3501.mail.yahoo.com (web3501.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4P5XRk04639 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000525053320.22271.qmail@web3501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.125] by web3501.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:33:20 PDT Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:33:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Draven D'Arc" Subject: Biker "Cult" Film Site To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those of you looking for motorcyle movies, this site had an interesting selection of flicks -not just your standard "biker babes" fare.. features mostly Harleys though http://sepnet.com/rcramer/biker.htm -Corbett '99 BMW K12RS '88 Hurricane 600 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 03:10:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4P7Alk06232 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.133.15.159] (sdn-ar-003dcwashP293.dialsprint.net [206.133.15.159]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27830 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005250710.AAA27830@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 02:55:19 -0400 Subject: Re: off camber From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit groovy! :) and good to know. .. thanks! >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. [Remove the "_NOSPAM_" to reply] ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/24/00 >Date: Wed, May 24, 2000, 7:00 PM > > *crunch*, what we > have there is your basic single vehicle (m/c) accident. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 08:26:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PCQak10830 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20680; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000525082546.009f04c0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:26:51 -0400 To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Hope this isn't one of us In-Reply-To: <20000525005959.4487.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that. I even do it in the cage! I agree about the morons slamming on their brakes, too. I sit there going, "WTF!!!" duh. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.girlbiker.com At 05:59 PM 5/24/00 -0700, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >The GW parkway has those silly things out all the time, and it never >ceases to amaze me how many people jam on their brakes thinking the >sign is going to jump out and give them a ticket or something. > >Of course, being the testosterone laden hooligan bad boy that I am, it >seemed more of an invitation to me....I let traffic move off from me >one afternoon on the way home from work when I knew we were approaching >one of the things, then dropped the ole GSXR down to 3rd and let her >rip. Unfortunately, they only have two digits on the ones on the >parkway...I was going a whopping 08 mph ;-) >Of course, then I had to stand on the binders since I had caught back >up to traffic.......... > >Yes, it was very irresponsible, and utterly the worst place to open up >the throttle, but dammit... it was just sooooo inviting! hehehehe > >CT > >===== >Collin T. Fagan >DC-Cycles Racing >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >Proudly sponsored by: >Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) >Dixie Cycles >Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 09:05:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PD5Fk11403 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4PD5B802205 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 06:05:11 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Crow Bar Biker Bash Memorial Weekend Block Party... Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:57:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfc648$ccfad9c0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000525052611.24579.qmail@web3506.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal I couldn't find anything on it either. The original Crow Bar web page appears to be down, but there is a personal page that talks about both bars. http://cgibin.erols.com/jkazeva/crowbar.html However, the latest news on there dates back to Daytona. It seems to me there would have been something posted at the local bike shops (?) Too bad, last year was a lot of fun. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" Anybody remember the The Crow Bar Biker Bash (block parties) on Memorial Weekends? It was on K St. in DC last year, but I haven't heard if any anyone was going to throw one this year. Steve Zarpas, former owner of The Crow Bar (before they tore it down) now is one of the owners of Revolution Coffee Lounge in Herndon http://www.revolutioncoffeelounge.com/ but I haven't heard anything out of there either. Anyone heard anything for this weekend? -Corbett '99 BMW K12RS '88 Hurricane 600 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 09:11:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PDBok11426 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0FV4000019ZC2N@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:11:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0FV400L3X9ZBG1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:11:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0FV400I019XU3B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:10:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0FV400I019XR2P@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:10:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localHost ([166.32.192.143]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0FV400CD59XIK9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:10:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Keiser Subject: Memorial Day Ride? To: DC Cycles Message-id: <0FV400CD69XJK9@pmismtp03.wcomnet.com> X-Mailer: MailRoom for Internet v3.1a (www.SierraSol.com) I saw something about a ride this weekend. Were any details posted? Sorry if I missed it; been a rough week. TIA Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 09:29:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3506.mail.yahoo.com (web3506.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4PDThk11685 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000525132923.24285.qmail@web3506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.83.199] by web3506.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 May 2000 06:29:23 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Draven D'Arc" Subject: RE: The Crow Bar Biker Bash Memorial Weekend Block Party... To: bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cedric- I've already been that route...I also sent email to Steve (former Crow Bar owner) c/o Revolution Staff and to the webmaster of the Crowbar site mentioned below. I tried to find a website for Asylum in Adams Morgan ("heir apparent" for some of the old Crow Bar crew) but had no luck...guess I'll need to hop on the scooter at some point go up there and look/ask around.. Thanks for keeping your "ears" open. -Corbett '99 K12RS '88 Hurricane 600 --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I couldn't find anything on it either. The original > Crow Bar web page > appears to be down, but there is a personal page > that talks about both bars. > http://cgibin.erols.com/jkazeva/crowbar.html > However, the latest news on there dates back to > Daytona. It seems to me > there would have been something posted at the local > bike shops (?) > Too bad, last year was a lot of fun. > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 09:49:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PDnIk12174 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000525134905.FRCU12638.fortune.excite.com@prickles> for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 06:49:05 -0700 Message-ID: <32478521.959262545163.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ride on Fri.? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.13 Anybody up for a ride Fri starting around noon? Leaving nothtern Va. for all points west. __________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you! James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 10:32:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PEWak13591 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA8348665 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392D39A6.66BA0222@boo.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:33:10 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Commuter Survey for Montgomery County residents Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think all of us need to fill out this survey. There are lots of us that use a motorcycle to commute, and there more people that would do it if it were easier. I don't think it would ever happen, but picture a motorcycle only lane on the beltway and 270 or 66 and free bike parking everywhere, maybe a leathers and helmet check at major malls, stores and restaurants. I get a little smile every time I see a bike on the road (Harley, squid or scooter). I would love a reason to smile more. www.commuterconnections.org/commutersurvey Jay From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 10:41:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PEfvk13791 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10939 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05352 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04783; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:41:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000525102222.00a273c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:41:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Brosh hot weather clothing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just a quick note to those in need of hot weather clothing. Another VFR list member posted a link to Brosh for their lightweight summer jacket. I am happy to say 'thanks' and pass on the link: http://www.brosh.com/ For the grand total of $117 I received the Kevlar lined 'Summer Jacket' and the 'Kevlar Jeans'. The jeans are Levi knock=offs. You have to look closely to tell the difference. They have large Velcro-removable Kevlar patches on each hip / butt cheek and the knees. This is not armor or soft armor - simply patches of Kevlar. Very comfy and normal looking. Not much more expensive than US brand name jeans. The summer jacket is basically a thin windbreaker with thick Kevlar in the shoulders and elbows. It has Velcro straps around the elbow, sleeve ends, and the midriff. Large pockets in the front are handy - but a bit goofy. The neck has a Velcro enclosure to keep wind down. Armpits are mesh, as well as mesh vents in the forearms that can be zipped shut. The back has a standard reflective strip, and another zipper with webbing for more ventilation. At first I thought the whole thing was a bit flimsy and goofy. But once I put it on and went for a ride - it felt great. Kevlar in all the right places, but it feels like I am wearing a t-shirt. The company is in Israel, and the packing job was pretty funny - sort of a brown paper bag wrapped in tape and stamped. Don't order any breakables from them! Took a week to get here by airmail, and I am pretty happy. The website is...um....lacking, but don't let that distract you. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 11:05:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h018.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4PF5fk14397 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2644 invoked from network); 25 May 2000 08:05:26 -0700 Date: 25 May 2000 08:05:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20000525150525.2643.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 25 May 2000 15:05:25 GMT Received: from [208.197.122.72] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 25 May 2000 08:05:25 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: I'm finally speaking up! I just thought I'd finally introduce myself to the list. My name is Laura and I've been a silent reader of the list for the past five months or so. I've learned a lot from all of you. It's been great. I just bought my first bike two months ago and I love it. I've only put 300 miles on it so far, so I'm looking forward to the ride on Monday to meet some new people and get my bike over its break in period! Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 11:19:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PFJvk14553 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:17:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Monday morning Clifton ride Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:17:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anybody else in the Lakeridge / Woodbridge / Dale City area wanna get together for a quick ride through Clifton on the way to the Burger King? Meet at the Exxon at PW Parkway and Old Bridge Rd at 8:00am? (Okay, my defination of "a quick ride" is a long way from, say, Collin or Bryan's) -Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 11:29:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PFTpk14699 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by raphael.catholic.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4PFTl825011 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:29:47 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: I'm finally speaking up! Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bfc65c$fff80b40$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000525150525.2643.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> Importance: Normal Welcome Laura. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > Homer Simpson's the 3 sentences that will get you through life. Number one,'cover for me.' Number two, 'oh, good idea, boss.' Number three, 'it was like that when I got here.'" " I just thought I'd finally introduce myself to the list. My name is Laura and I've been a silent reader of the list for the past five months or so. I've learned a lot from all of you. It's been great. I just bought my first bike two months ago and I love it. I've only put 300 miles on it so far, so I'm looking forward to the ride on Monday to meet some new people and get my bike over its break in period! Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 11:34:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PFYqk14792 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-135-59.s567.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.135.59] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12uzen-0007Vg-00; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:34:46 -0400 Message-ID: <012501bfc5fa$45d2c500$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: "James Hoofnagle" , References: <32478521.959262545163.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Subject: Re: ride on Fri.? Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:35:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I might take you up on that Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Hoofnagle" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: ride on Fri.? > Anybody up for a ride Fri starting around noon? Leaving nothtern Va. for > all points west. > __________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you! > James > E-TKT > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 11:41:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4PFfck14982 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:42:01 -0700 Message-ID: <392D73DA.EA04AAB2@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:41:30 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Petty CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Monday morning Clifton ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Petty wrote: > > Anybody else in the Lakeridge / Woodbridge / Dale City area wanna get > together for a quick ride through Clifton on the way to the Burger > King? I wasn't planning on actually doing the group ride, but I *was* considering stopping by the BK to say 'hi' to everyone. Clifton has some great roads... > Meet at the Exxon at PW Parkway and Old Bridge Rd at 8:00am? I'll be doing an unofficial Saddlesore Saturday-Sunday (pre-riding the MD2020 rally route) but I hope I'll be able to drag myself out of bed in time to make it up there. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 12:17:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4PGHik15488 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phn-az31-178.rasserver.net [198.211.106.178] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:17:30 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Mem. Day RIDE INFO (repeat for those late-readers) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:17:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bfc664$ba370360$b26ad3c6@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Monday, May 29 (Memorial Day) gather at 9am, depart at 9:30am Burger King on Rt7 in sterling. This particular BK is on the NORTH side of Rt7 and I believe it's actually the first set of buildings after NOVA (if coming from DC on Rt7)... if you made it to 28, you went to far. There should be a few assembled bike there starting slightly before 9am, and you can definatally see them from the road... :) Just pull in and start introducing yourself. If you're looking for myself and we haven't met before.. I'm 6'4", 230's, bearded, bald and should be on a (borrowed) 99 HD Dyna.. Collin's this jockey looking guy at 5'8", 160.. and, well - shit I haven't seen him in about 9 months so I don't know what else.. he'll be on a red Bandit 400 (I think, unless he's bringing Pepe - an 82 Yamaha Maxim 650 w/ bags.. ) Anyway, glad to see one lurker coming out of the shadows as well as some others looking to find the time. Weather looks a little iffy right now.. we'll just hope for the best, and I'll be out there unless it's a straight downpour (not bringing rain gear with me.. HA.. don't even HAVE rain gear, I live in the desert!). Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 12:40:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4PGeEk15766 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28774 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2000 16:40:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000525164011.28773.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:40:11 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Hope this isn't one of us To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Prince William County made the mistake of putting one of those on one of the streets near me. I discovered that the moped is rather difficult to pick up on radar. It took me three tries going past to get any reading at all. I was able to verify that the speedometer is correct and that it will get to 52mph in a block and a half. The other moped has reflective tape on the front, it got a reading everytime past. Note to self: don't put reflective tape on the front of anything. Leon. --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > The GW parkway has those silly things out all the > time, and it never > ceases to amaze me how many people jam on their > brakes thinking the > sign is going to jump out and give them a ticket or > something. > > Of course, being the testosterone laden hooligan bad > boy that I am, it > seemed more of an invitation to me....I let traffic > move off from me > one afternoon on the way home from work when I knew > we were approaching > one of the things, then dropped the ole GSXR down to > 3rd and let her > rip. Unfortunately, they only have two digits on > the ones on the > parkway...I was going a whopping 08 mph ;-) > Of course, then I had to stand on the binders since > I had caught back > up to traffic.......... > > Yes, it was very irresponsible, and utterly the > worst place to open up > the throttle, but dammit... it was just sooooo > inviting! hehehehe > > CT > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 13:40:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4PHerk16833 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000525174043.12395.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.5] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:40:43 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm finally speaking up! To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings Laura, if you've been here five months you know what type of list this is. We tend to sway away from the motorcycle talk now and then and sometimes it can get down right nasty but mostly its a good crowd of people. Glenn --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I just thought I'd finally introduce myself to the > list. My name is Laura and I've been a silent > reader of the list for the past five months or so. > I've learned a lot from all of you. It's been > great. > > I just bought my first bike two months ago and I > love it. I've only put 300 miles on it so far, so > I'm looking forward to the ride on Monday to meet > some new people and get my bike over its break in > period! > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 17:56:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h013.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4PLu8k20575 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20920 invoked from network); 25 May 2000 14:55:59 -0700 Date: 25 May 2000 14:55:59 -0700 Message-ID: <20000525215559.20919.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 25 May 2000 21:55:59 GMT Received: from [208.197.122.72] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 25 May 2000 14:55:59 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: advice needed First I wouldn't talk, now you can't shut me up. I need some opinions. For me to ride on monday or not? I'm a very new rider; confident, but not fully confident. Bike is still in a break-in period, shouldn't really go over 60 mph (although I've cheated a tiny bit, not too much). Will there be a slow group on the ride or should I plan on just waiting until I have a little more experience? I'd like my first group ride to be enjoyable. Should I try it or should I wait? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 18:16:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PMGYk20914 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:13:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: advice needed Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:13:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I did my first group ride about two months after I bought my bike a couple of years ago. I had a great time, even though I did drop my bike near the end of the day. I wouldn't worry about the speed too much. With this group, there's generally a wide range of speed represented. Join near the end of the line, and you'll be fine. The only other concern, and what got me, was that after a long day riding, I was exhausted, and I made a stupid mental mistake (for some reason I though that braking and turning in gravel wouldn't be a problem). When you're new to riding, it can be very tiring, especially if you're in a crowd, and you're trying extra hard not to do something stupid. Come on out, but maybe only join for a part of the ride? -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 5:56 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: advice needed > > > First I wouldn't talk, now you can't shut me up. I need some > opinions. For me to ride on monday or not? I'm a very new > rider; confident, but not fully confident. Bike is still in > a break-in period, shouldn't really go over 60 mph (although > I've cheated a tiny bit, not too much). > > Will there be a slow group on the ride or should I plan on > just waiting until I have a little more experience? I'd like > my first group ride to be enjoyable. Should I try it or > should I wait? > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 18:21:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3504.mail.yahoo.com (web3504.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4PMLMk20997 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000525222057.27112.qmail@web3504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.90.15] by web3504.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:20:57 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:20:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Draven D'Arc" Subject: Update on Crow Bar Biker Bash To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The word from Steve Karpas (former owner, Crow Bar) is NO "Crow Bar Biker Bash V" -HOWEVER- This SATURDAY 27th, Asylum (located on 18th St, NW just below its intersection with Columbia Road, NW) is sponsoring a Motorcycle Wash: -The day before "Rolling Thunder" -$10 per Motorcycle -12 Noon till 6 PM all proceeds go to Urban Rangers -AND- The Rock at 717 6th St, NW DC is having a "Rock & Rolling Thunder" Block Party. This year, they are having events both Saturday and Sunday. (I didn't go to last year's event and can't vouch for it though.) Thanks to webmaster John Kazeva for the info. http://users.erols.com/jkazeva/therock.html -Corbett '99 BEE-M-dubba-U K12RS '88 Hurricane 600 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 18:40:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PMe5k21201 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-23.patriot.net [209.249.181.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA03611; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:39:46 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <392DAA68.31011D54@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:34:16 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advice needed References: <20000525215559.20919.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wait a sec - gotta don my flame suit for this one.... :-) *My* opinion - large group rides blow. But yes, there will most likely be slow riders - look for the ones with frightened wide eyes. Jap sport bikes don't usually leak oil, the wet spots under them is testostrone, and that colorful group may slow down to 60 for stop signs. Riders lacking experiance have been known to "ride over thier heads" and go splat. But grouping is fun for those with a herd mentality. *I* would suggest meeting up with the pack and trying to get with a *few* slo-pokes who are out for the scenery and not the point A to B lap record. Mentors who are eager to ease your entry into motorcycleing are good to putt with. Stay within your comfort zone and you'll do fine. Bill fixing to train another two dozen newbies this weekend. Mem Day weekend RiderCourse class 2000. LAURA GRANATO wrote: > First I wouldn't talk, now you can't shut me up. I need some opinions. For me to ride on monday or not? I'm a very new rider; confident, but not fully confident. Bike is still in a break-in period, shouldn't really go over 60 mph (although I've cheated a tiny bit, not too much). > > Will there be a slow group on the ride or should I plan on just waiting until I have a little more experience? I'd like my first group ride to be enjoyable. Should I try it or should I wait? > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 18:53:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PMrhk21416 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id p.97.5dec333 (4325); Thu, 25 May 2000 18:53:17 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <97.5dec333.265f08db@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:53:15 EDT Subject: Re: advice needed To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 As with anybody, ride your own ride. Don't go any faster than you feel comfortable. Every ride I've been on they've waited at intersections, etc. until everyone made it. I'm sure there will be a few slower riders, including myself. Unfortunately I can't stay for the whole ride. Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 19:30:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PNUDk22022 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA04236 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phn-az31-41.rasserver.net [198.211.106.41] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:27:18 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: advice needed Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:27:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bfc6a0$d0015b00$db31ced1@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal LOL.. don't listen to Bill (well, listen but don't allow him to completely sway your decision untill you've had a few experiences of your own). This 'ride' isn't really about riding so much as getting together to meet one another, gain a little sense of community on the list and have some fun. There will be a wide range of people out there riding, a good handfull of them will ride faster than you thought possible on state roads... the rest will likely hover about the speed limits and generally take it easy. Personally, I'd like to see everyone feel welcome and will do what's necessary to make sure everyone who wants to ride does feel comfortable - with Collin Fagan and Anita Lauros help, we can definatally have 3 groups out there and I have no qualms about hanging back and making sure everyone's riding along at a comfortable pace. For the record, I'm an ex street fastguy (followed Collin for MANY miles in the NoVA/WV roads), have race experience and have now come to the point where I'm more concerned with having fun without pressing the limits on the street (that's what track days and races are for). I'm going to (hopefully - haven't ironed out all the details) be appearing as my alter-ego, a cruiser riding guy.. very different from my normal race-preped 87 VFR mongrel riding speed demon. We are going to be staying within about 30 miles of the beltway for most of the day, so if you do start feeling tired, it's easy enough for you to wave off and head home. But, again, don't let concerns of being left behind keep you from joining us... because we won't leave you beind.. (heh, I can only remember a couple times we lost anyone.. and we always go back and look for them.. but that's not going to happen because everyone's going to keep an eye in the mirror for the person behind them) If you're still not sure, then please come and join us in the morning for the meeting part at 9am and just introduce yourself. If you're still unsure or uncomfortable, then you can go about your own way and be able to enjoy your day a little more knowing that you met some wonderfull people face to face. Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 21:16:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4Q1G7k23601 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.124] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP212.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.124]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22233 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005260116.SAA22233@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:16:21 -0400 Subject: Re: ride on Fri? From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I will if I don't have to work ... (depends on how my morning goes....) >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. [Remove the "_NOSPAM_" to reply] ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/25/00 >Date: Thu, May 25, 2000, 7:00 PM > > Anybody up for a ride Fri starting around noon? Leaving nothtern Va. for > all points west. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 21:17:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4Q1Hqk23611 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.124] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP212.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.124]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28672 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005260117.SAA28672@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:18:31 -0400 Subject: Re: I'm finally speaking up! From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit yet another grrl ..... :) welcome. >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. [Remove the "_NOSPAM_" to reply] ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/25/00 >Date: Thu, May 25, 2000, 7:00 PM > > > I just thought I'd finally introduce myself to the list. My name is Laura From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 21:18:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4Q1Ipk23621 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.cc.50a69d2 (3874) for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:18:37 EDT Subject: Re: advice needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Hi Laura, Come on down! As others have posted, we're a pretty eclectic group, but we are a group. We will wait for riders to catch up at stops, usually have designated rallying points on larger rides and have been known to go back looking for "lost" riders. There will typically be a faster bunch and a slower bunch (the object being to enjoy the experience - the fast ones don't want to go slow and vice versa) so that everyone is comfortable. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 22:13:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4Q2DMk24583 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 22:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([24.15.187.164]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:13:42 -0700 Message-ID: <392DDD9F.ED24C292@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:12:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advice needed References: <20000525215559.20919.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Bike is still in a break-in period, shouldn't really go over 60 mph > (although I've cheated a tiny bit, not too much). > Will there be a slow group on the ride or should I plan on just > waiting until I have a little more experience? It's your call. While I found my first group rides quite enjoyable, I was glad I waited a while (6 months or so, a few thousand miles) before I undertook one. Of course, you might not be as testosterone-addled as I was... :) This group is pretty sociable, and I'm sure there'll be other rides later this year. Still, on group rides, even though there will probably be a self-designated slow group present, sometimes folks will get strung out, make sudden stops, wrong turns, have to make u-turns, or pull over on narrow gravel shoulders to consult or regroup. And sometimes the slow group makes it to the next stop before the faster group! :) The other thing to think about is your bike and it's break in. Yes, you've probably got to keep it under a certain speed for a while. But I think it's probably better to make several shorter trips, letting the bike cool down in between, rather than one longer trip to get the bike through the break-in mileage period. Either way, there's nothing stopping you from coming on out to the BK and saying 'hi!', and drooling over the cool bikes, even if you don't go on the ride. I plan on doing this (too many other things to do for me on my "day off") Dale == Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu May 25 23:38:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web220.mail.yahoo.com (web220.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4Q3cMk25778 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 23:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000526033815.18751.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.17.43.84] by web220.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 May 2000 20:38:15 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:38:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Memorial Day Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just want to confirm that this ride is a definite. I only get the digest version of the list, which I typically just skim through and don't always read every comment in it. So I just happen to see a couple comments in tonight's posting about the ride. I understand: 1) It's Mon. morning 2) Meeting at 9:00a (departing at 9:30a) 3) Leaving from the Burger King in Sterling off Rt. 7 (on the north side of Rt. 7) Thx, Glenn Braunstein 98 VFR 800 99 V-Star 1100 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 06:50:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QAo5k02354 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 06:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-129-44.s298.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.44] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12vHgo-0004Rk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 26 May 2000 06:50:03 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 05/25/00 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 06:43:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bfc6ff$4591b3c0$0ccb7ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200005252300.e4PN04621515@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Bill Huson Opined: > Wait a sec - gotta don my flame suit for this one.... :-) Good thing too! > > *My* opinion - large group rides blow. But yes, there will most > likely be slow riders - look for the ones with frightened wide > eyes. Jap sport bikes don't usually leak oil, the wet spots > under them is testostrone, and that colorful group may slow down > to 60 for stop signs. Riders > lacking experiance have been known to "ride over thier heads" and > go splat. But grouping is fun for those with a herd mentality. > Your opinions are way too generalized. I know and have ridden with a number of very pretty and very lacking of testosterone females who are above average skilled riders. A couple of them I would ride with all the time because they like to ride the way I do, FAST! If that makes me overly testosterone laden, well it might be true. I am sort of hairy and beginning to bald. But it makes you estrogen boy! ;-) The herd mentality, huh? Like buying a Harley Davidson to be different just like everyone else? Talk about a bunch of overweighted overchromed, loud and obnoxious cows. And the bikes are just as bad! > *I* would suggest meeting up with the pack and trying to get with > a *few* slo-pokes who are out for the scenery and not the point A > to B lap record. Mentors who are eager to ease your entry into > motorcycleing are good to putt with. Stay within your comfort > zone and you'll do fine. > > Bill > fixing to train another two dozen newbies this weekend. Mem Day > weekend RiderCourse class 2000. > Are you an MSF instructor? What credentials do you have to train people to ride motorcycles? The advice to stay within your comfort zone is the best you've offered. Ride your own ride. Maybe riding fast isn't your deal, but not looking at the road to enjoy 'nature' ain't mine either. When I stop to let the ole adrenals puff down, I'll look at nature...phphphphttt ;-) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 150,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 07:00:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QB0Ik02488 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.73.3983019 (4360) for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:00:10 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <73.3983019.265fb33a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:00:10 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/25/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 >The herd mentality, huh? Like buying a Harley Davidson to be different just >like everyone else? Talk about a bunch of overweighted overchromed, loud >and obnoxious cows. And the bikes are just as bad! Oooooooooohhh!!!! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 07:49:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QBnvk03086 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-127.patriot.net [209.249.180.127]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA25583; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:49:52 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <392E6395.C411C677@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:44:21 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/25/00 References: <000a01bfc6ff$4591b3c0$0ccb7ad1@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > Your opinions are way too generalized. Well, yes, I did use the ol' broad brush to paint a pic of the average collection of sport bikers on the scream. > The herd mentality, huh? Like buying a Harley Davidson to be different just > like everyone else? Talk about a bunch of overweighted overchromed, loud > and obnoxious cows. And the bikes are just as bad! Hmm.... speaking of the ol' broad brush generalization :-) > Are you an MSF instructor? What credentials do you have to train people to > ride motorcycles? Lemme see here - VA driving permit with an M add-on. MSF Instructors card. Been riding since 1971, which may be before you were born. And several years teaching those sweet 7th & 8th graders, talk about testostrone and hormonal overloads in action. After that, a buncha wobbly newbies on bikes who have target fixed on me is a ho-hum :-) BTW - I luv speed, in it's place, and boat racing is where I got my thrills. Perhaps you'd like to mount (kneel actually) an outboard race boat and squeeze the throttle? It's a kick! Bill APBA Region 4 High Point Champion - many many years - A, 15ss, and B hydro From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 07:50:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QBogk03154 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27625; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:50:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Dale Horstman cc: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advice needed In-Reply-To: <392DDD9F.ED24C292@flashmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Come on Dale, DC-Cycles rides never make U-turns, wrong turns or suddent stops. Be careful or you'll give people the wrong impression. ;-) On Thu, 25 May 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > Still, on group rides, even though there will probably be > a self-designated slow group present, sometimes folks will > get strung out, make sudden stops, wrong turns, have to > make u-turns, or pull over on narrow gravel shoulders to > consult or regroup. And sometimes the slow group makes > it to the next stop before the faster group! :) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 08:22:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QCMQk03554 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20632; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000526081721.009e6df0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:22:41 -0400 To: LAURA GRANATO From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: advice needed Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20000525215559.20919.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Laura, glad to hear from you on the list... I did my first ride with the group when I was really new, really slow, and really scared to lean. LOL Luckily a few people really helped me out - Todd - who played "find the newbie," Linda, who tried to get me to relax on the bike, Brian, who usually played "sweeper" so I didn't feel alone, Collin, who showed me what a bike can REALLY do, and various others who gave me pep talks. Everyone who says "ride your own ride" is right. Just don't push yourself past your limits and you should be fine. Stay with the "slower" group, near the back, and usually some kind soul will stay behind you to watch that you don't get lost or crash. : ) I personally found group rides a lot of fun and learned a lot from them. On most of the rides I went on there were "slow" and "fast" groups, which really helped. Also, talking to and getting to know everyone on breaks and at lunch was fun! It's nice to see the faces behind the printed words. Try it out, if you don't like it, you're close enough to get back to the city! Oh, and write me back off-list, we still have to schedule our ride! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.girlbiker.com At 02:55 PM 5/25/00 -0700, you wrote: >First I wouldn't talk, now you can't shut me up. I need some opinions. For >me to ride on monday or not? I'm a very new rider; confident, but not fully >confident. Bike is still in a break-in period, shouldn't really go over 60 >mph (although I've cheated a tiny bit, not too much). > >Will there be a slow group on the ride or should I plan on just waiting >until I have a little more experience? I'd like my first group ride to be >enjoyable. Should I try it or should I wait? > >Laura Granato >'99 Suzuki GS500 > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 08:44:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4QCiMk03820 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1cust85.tnt2.phoenix.az.da.uu.net [63.14.193.85] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 26 May 2000 05:44:14 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re. advice needed Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 05:44:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bfc710$25821730$55c10e3f@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal > Jeannette Zell said: > I did my first ride with the group when I was really new, really slow, and > really scared to lean. LOL *grin* but at least you were Dressed tha part.. that sexy little long-sleve wool sweater - cut just at the bottom rib so as to flash that sexy body at all the 'testostornoe ladden' guys on the pit-stops.. LOL And Jeannette, it took a few of us a LONG while to convince you to come out with us.. I remember hounding you (along with Kevin Thomas and one other) to go for a ride, but you'd never been on the beltway as a rider and were afraid to go very far from home.. :) My, hows things have changed.... heh. In anycase.. *I* still think that everyone who hasn't done a group ride should show up and give it a try. It's nice to have like-minded people around to encourage your interests and possibly even give advice (I have a problem of offering to much when not asked for sometimes.. so bring a spare sock).... Anyway.. I need to get off to school (ugh, this 7 hour break inbetween school sucks, but I'll be in DC shortly thereafter). See everyone on Monday!! Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 08:50:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net [129.250.36.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QCodk03946 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12vJZV-0002no-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 26 May 2000 12:50:37 +0000 Received: from [209.70.174.26] (helo=david500) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12vJZU-000763-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 26 May 2000 12:50:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01bfc711$1a6102c0$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <4.1.20000526081721.009e6df0@intertv.com> Subject: MI-2: Bikes do the impossible Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:51:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well I saw Mission Impossible II last night. I was excited to see the riding stunts. Some of them were pretty cool, such as the rolling stoppies, wheelies and other Rothwell type stuff. However, some were just not possible. I wont spoil it for anyone so I'll just leave it at that. If you go see it you will see what I mean. I stayed to watch the credits to see if Rothwell was listed as one of the stuntmen but the list of stuntmen went by so fast I didnt see his name so who knows. Im sure there are others who do his kind of stunts. Oh, one thing to watch is the different tires on the bikes as they move from pavement to dirt. I swear I saw a full knobby on that red triumph. I'll give the movie *** out of *****. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 08:56:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QCuek03975 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA21084; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000526085548.009e7b60@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:56:56 -0400 To: "Brian McCoy" , From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Re. advice needed In-Reply-To: <000201bfc710$25821730$55c10e3f@tra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Man, you're NEVER gonna let me forget I wore that sweater, are you!???? LOL ...but I DID wear full leathers over it! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.girlbiker.com At 05:44 AM 5/26/00 -0700, Brian McCoy wrote: >> Jeannette Zell said: > > >*grin* but at least you were Dressed tha part.. that sexy little long-sleve >wool sweater - cut just at the bottom rib so as to flash that sexy body at >all the 'testostornoe ladden' guys on the pit-stops.. LOL > > Brian McCoy > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 09:18:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QDI9k04929 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 09:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-15.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.207]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00033; Fri, 26 May 2000 09:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392EA4BD.8A43A046@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:22:21 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re. advice needed References: <000201bfc710$25821730$55c10e3f@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though I won't be able to join y'all (I'm out of town for Memorial Day weekend), I would also encourage everyone (especially newbies and/or "slow" riders) to show up for the Memorial Day Monday ride. Collin is a good ride leader (except for when he gets lost or tries to go down dirt/gravel roads!) And Anita will make sure that Collin doesn't stray too far off the beaten track! %^) I'm sorry I won't be here to ride with them (and to meet and ride with Brian). But from my personal experience, it will be a fun and enjoyable ride -- regardless of how you want to ride. As long as you ride withing your own ability levels, you'll be OK. And you'll have fun. And I'm sure they'll pick a great place for lunch! %^) Now if you really want to be "worried" about joining a group ride, wait 'til we organize the CSS@VIR alumni crash bash! %^) Chuck, aka Skittles '93 GSXR 750 (now with asphalt graphics) Brian McCoy wrote : > > In anycase.. *I* still think that everyone who hasn't done a group ride > should show up and give it a try. It's nice to have like-minded people > around to encourage your interests and possibly even give advice (I have a > problem of offering to much when not asked for sometimes.. so bring a spare > sock).... From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 09:37:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QDbKk05294 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 09:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0FV600E015TQPB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:37:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0FV600AOA5TQ5W@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:37:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) id <0FV600I015TQ37@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:37:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0FV600H015TLZQ@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:37:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localHost ([166.32.192.143]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0FV600E985TJM0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:36:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Keiser Subject: Re: advice needed To: DC Cycles , lgranato@XXXXXX Message-id: <0FV600E995TJM0@pmismtp02.wcomnet.com> X-Mailer: MailRoom for Internet v3.1a (www.SierraSol.com) First off...welcome to the list! Secondly...in all of the group rides I've done, there has been quite a variety of bikes and riders. The main thing is to just ride within your ability and comfort level. Now, let's just pray for a day like today! Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 10:30:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QEUEk06016 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000526142957.BGIF11204.ewey.excite.com@prickles> for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:29:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3706723.959351397603.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:29:57 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride @ Noon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.11.148 Anybody wanna go for a ride? Ya wanna meet at Friendly's on 123 in Oakton at 12:30-1? Directions: 66W exit to 123 towards Oakton/Vienna go through 2 lights Friendly's is on the right across the street from the school Any questions? I'll be back on line right before I leave. __________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you! James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 10:40:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from academic.pg.cc.md.us (academic.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.116]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QEeZk06124 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by academic.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA21683; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:10:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:10:38 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Dave Cross cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MI-2: Bikes do the impossible In-Reply-To: <000c01bfc711$1a6102c0$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Oh, one thing to watch is the different tires on the bikes as they move from > pavement to dirt. I swear I saw a full knobby on that red triumph. Yep, knobbies magically appeared on both the Sprint and the Speed Triple. I am interested in finding out where to buy a set of those -- maybe a new top-secret Dunlop tire? Brad From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 10:44:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QEiEk06205 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e4QEiAp07749 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:44:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MI-2: Bikes do the impossible In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 May 2000 brad@XXXXXX wrote: > Yep, knobbies magically appeared on both the Sprint and the Speed Triple. > I am interested in finding out where to buy a set of those -- maybe a new > top-secret Dunlop tire? They make full knobbies for the "rally" bikes (BMWs, Tiger, Elephant, etc) in 17" sizes. Dunlop is, in fact, one of the manufacturers. They're easy to find mail order and have been around for many years. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 10:51:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QEp5k06365 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:42:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: MI-2: Bikes do the impossible Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:42:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain There's an article about all of this MI2 bike stuff on www.esportbike.com. It's a fairly interesting and informative article (uncommon on the web it seems). Chris Weaver > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:44 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: MI-2: Bikes do the impossible > > On Fri, 26 May 2000 brad@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yep, knobbies magically appeared on both the Sprint and the Speed > Triple. > > I am interested in finding out where to buy a set of those -- maybe a > new > > top-secret Dunlop tire? > > They make full knobbies for the "rally" bikes (BMWs, Tiger, Elephant, etc) > > in 17" sizes. Dunlop is, in fact, one of the manufacturers. They're easy > to find mail order and have been around for many years. > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 10:52:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4QEqjk06505 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:53:11 -0700 Message-ID: <392EB9E7.6ED8035D@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:52:39 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MI-2: Bikes do the impossible References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > They make full knobbies for the "rally" bikes (BMWs, Tiger, Elephant, etc) > in 17" sizes. Dunlop is, in fact, one of the manufacturers. They're easy > to find mail order and have been around for many years. Yeah, but we want the Hollywood version where the knobbies are retractable and appear on command between scenes. :) They had them on CHiPs, too! BTW, I absolutely can not stand Tom Cruise. How that little adam's-appled buck-toothed twerp became a star I'll never know... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 11:24:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QFOJk07083 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e4QFOGp09064 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:24:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MI-2: Bikes do the impossible In-Reply-To: <392EB9E7.6ED8035D@flashmail.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 May 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > BTW, I absolutely can not stand Tom Cruise. Yeah, I had this discussion with my wife today. I'd like to see the stunts but don't want to suffer through Cruise for 90 minutes... Hopefully they'll stick a "Making of..." show on HBO. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 11:37:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4QFbfk07371 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:38:08 -0700 Message-ID: <392EC46E.DFA1C07A@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:37:34 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MI-2: Bikes do the impossible References: <392EB9E7.6ED8035D@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > BTW, I absolutely can not stand Tom Cruise. How that little > adam's-appled buck-toothed twerp became a star I'll never know... Hey gang, I apologize for these hasty words about Tom Cruise. I completely forgot to add in "pencil-necked". :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 11:40:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4QFetk07428 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:41:20 -0700 Message-ID: <392EC52E.4E8B44C1@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:40:46 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MI-2: Bikes do the impossible References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > I'd like to see the stunts but don't want to suffer through Cruise > for 90 minutes... Hopefully they'll stick a "Making of..." show on > HBO. Agreed. The stunts would be fun to watch. Maybe I'll go watch the movie, but put my earplugs in and read a magazine when Tommy-boy does his close-ups... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 11:50:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from academic.pg.cc.md.us (academic.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.116]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QFoPk07796 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by academic.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA21780; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:20:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:20:23 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MI-2: Bikes do the impossible In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Heheh, no no -- I meant I a want a tire that automatically adapts itself to the road conditions. They would come in handy for my off-road excursions at the race tracks. :-) Brad On Fri, 26 May 2000, Kirk Roy wrote: > On Fri, 26 May 2000 brad@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yep, knobbies magically appeared on both the Sprint and the Speed Triple. > > I am interested in finding out where to buy a set of those -- maybe a new > > top-secret Dunlop tire? > > They make full knobbies for the "rally" bikes (BMWs, Tiger, Elephant, etc) > in 17" sizes. Dunlop is, in fact, one of the manufacturers. They're easy > to find mail order and have been around for many years. > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 11:57:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f113.hotmail.com [216.32.181.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4QFvJk07886 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5313 invoked by uid 0); 26 May 2000 15:57:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000526155711.5312.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.211.204.202 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:57:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.211.204.202] From: "No Body" To: Culimerc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride @ Noon Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:57:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am up for the ride. I am in Tysons Corner right now. How long to get there, from here, under 15 min I am there. Let me know, I am checking my email realtime. Regards >From: James Hoofnagle >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Ride @ Noon >Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:29:57 -0700 (PDT) > >Anybody wanna go for a ride? > >Ya wanna meet at Friendly's on 123 in Oakton at 12:30-1? >Directions: >66W >exit to 123 towards Oakton/Vienna >go through 2 lights >Friendly's is on the right across the street from the school > >Any questions? I'll be back on line right before I leave. >__________ >They can't hit you, >if they can't catch you! >James >E-TKT > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 17:49:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QLnok13370 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.c8.56e1f58 (7381) for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:49:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:49:36 EDT Subject: Race Stands To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 For all of you that need rear or front stands and want to save a little money for decent quality stands (I saw them used at Monza WSB last weekend by some of the Italian based teams as they are Italian made by "Silver"), you should check out Kowa Seiki tools. Front and rear stands are (were) on sale 50% off (front and rear stands for 127 bucks with shipping). I can raise my ZX-9R alone easily with the rear stand (nice geometry) and the front is no problem once the rear is on the stand. They are not anodized like Pitbull (they are painted orange) but at less than half the price I can live with orange. I think the website is www.kowatools.com. The rear stand comes with adapters that allow it to be used with spindles or without, extra cost or impossible with other stands. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 18:00:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QM0Nk13597 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 18:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.cb.6185221 (7703) for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 18:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:00:00 EDT Subject: Rim Repairs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Does anyone have the name/phone number of a good local rim repair shop? Thanks much Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri May 26 18:06:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4QM6tk13667 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 18:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.a2.4e3b2f5 (7381); Fri, 26 May 2000 18:06:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:06:36 EDT Subject: Re: Rim Repairs To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 If you call the "Dirt Shop" in College Park, Md., they will give you the name of a guy who straightens and I think repairs wheels. It's usually cheaper to go to Baltimore Cycle Salvage and find a straight wheel though. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat May 27 11:04:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4RF4ak29821 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 11:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-195.s195.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.195] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12vi8g-0002Im-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 27 May 2000 11:04:34 -0400 Message-ID: <00cf01bfc7ec$be2d1ca0$c36aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Thanks Nelson Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 11:03:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I just wanted to say a special thanks to Nelson Fernandez for working on the jetting on my SV. He had all the jets and did all the work. Explained it to me in terms I understood (no small task) and now it feels like the race bike is stronger up top and still pulls in the middle. I even think I feel a little hit around 8000 that wasn't there before. You are welcome in my pit anytime to do some wrenching or just hang out. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sat May 27 12:34:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4RGYfk01120 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 12:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2ivelcd.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.85.141]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05684 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 12:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008e01bfc7f6$88c5a640$8d55f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: carpool Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:13:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 What is the deal with carpool?? Ryan From dc-cycles-request Sat May 27 14:34:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4RIY4k02650 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 14:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-2inik77.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.80.231]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30279; Sat, 27 May 2000 14:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3930405A.37F5BAF8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:38:34 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Matteson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: carpool References: <008e01bfc7f6$88c5a640$8d55f7a5@winnie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan,m Not sure what "deal" you mean, but CarPool was the site of the first Bike Night that Mark Kitchell and I organized and it will also be the site of the second one on Sunday, June 11th, 5pm to 9pm. Details are on the website: http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Chuck, aka Skittles Ryan Matteson wrote: > > What is the deal with carpool?? > > Ryan From dc-cycles-request Sat May 27 18:23:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4RMNWk05797 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-45-100.s100.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.100]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12vozR-0007Fi-00; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:23:30 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rim Repairs Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:26:13 GMT Message-ID: <3931738c.731012586@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4RMO3k05798 GRD cycles in white plaines maryland 301-843 0144 basicly down 301 south until you see atlanic cycles on the left a mile or 2 after you pass St charles town center mall. make that left, go past atlantic cycles then the next left (on to a street) you'll turn and see it. They charge $100. And have a few days turn around time. I have a spare rim that could use straightening, see if you can get 2 done for $150, and I'll include mine. Daniel On Fri, 26 May 2000 18:00:00 EDT, you wrote: |>Does anyone have the name/phone number of a good local rim repair shop? |> |>Thanks much |> |>Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat May 27 18:56:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4RMusk06204 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2iveknu.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.82.254]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10183 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701bfc82b$e52f6260$fe52f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: References: <008e01bfc7f6$88c5a640$8d55f7a5@winnie> <3930405A.37F5BAF8@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: carpool Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:35:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 That is what I was wondering. C U on the 11th Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena To: Ryan Matteson Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: Re: carpool Ryan,m Not sure what "deal" you mean, but CarPool was the site of the first Bike Night that Mark Kitchell and I organized and it will also be the site of the second one on Sunday, June 11th, 5pm to 9pm. Details are on the website: http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Chuck, aka Skittles Ryan Matteson wrote: > > What is the deal with carpool?? > > Ryan From dc-cycles-request Sun May 28 13:31:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4SHVck21037 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 13:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (vna-va10-16.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.144]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05687 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 13:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <393158F2.2586AD46@pti.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 13:35:47 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks Nelson References: <00cf01bfc7ec$be2d1ca0$c36aaccf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My pleasure Danny, Lets see how the SV does on the track and maybe we can play with it some more and see if we can't get oomph out of her. Good luck my friend Nelson P.S. Just found out that my family will be in town for the next race so not sure if I will be able to make it or not, but will make my best effort to get out there and support you and the rest for the riders on the list. Danny Thompson wrote: > I just wanted to say a special thanks to Nelson Fernandez for working on the > jetting on my SV. He had all the jets and did all the work. Explained it to > me in terms I understood (no small task) and now it feels like the race bike > is stronger up top and still pulls in the middle. I even think I feel a > little hit around 8000 that wasn't there before. You are welcome in my pit > anytime to do some wrenching or just hang out. > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) > www.onewayracing.org > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 > Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sun May 28 20:44:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4T0i0k26597 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 20:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2iveknf.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.82.239]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA27271 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 20:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004701bfc903$d9e658e0$ef52f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Full Systems Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:21:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hello folks, I am debating between a Micron or Akropolvic (SP?) system for my 2000 YZF 600R. I have read rave reviews on the two systems but have never actually seen performance graphs on either or. I am looking to get a bit more torque out of the bike so I can accelerate a bit faster but am not really sure what I can tweak to do this. I am also curious how re-gearing works? I would like to be able to add a bit more time in between shifting gears as the factory gear settings on the bike aren't to my liking. Thanks for any info, Ryan =============================================================== Ryan Matteson: UNIX Administrator Home Email: desc@XXXXXX Work Email: rmatteson@XXXXXX Web Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc PGP Public Key: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc/public.asc =============================================================== From dc-cycles-request Sun May 28 21:41:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4T1ftk27290 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 21:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([24.15.187.164]) by flashmail.com ; Sun, 28 May 2000 18:42:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3931CAC6.D78D679F@flashmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:41:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Looking for a dealer in the DC Area References: <3.0.3.32.20000526140528.006c79c8@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Guy B. Young II (W)" wrote: > > Dale, > > I just got a note from Louise They are looking for a friendly > dealer in the immediate DC area where they could leave their bikes > (two) for a day or so until a commercial shipper could pick them up > for shipment back to CA. The dealer would have to do nothing but > allow the bikes to remain at his location in the interim; the shipper > does all the packing, loading, etc. OK gang, I need your help. See the above. Got a nice lady on the COG list from California who is looking for a dealer who can accomodate her. I'm not sure what she means by "immediate DC area" yet, I'm leaning toward suggesting Cycle Sport in Springfield, since I don't know much about any dealers in DC itself. Suggestions, please? Much thanks! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth Feeling blue because the Cap 1000 is history? Then go here! The Mason Dixon 20-20 website: http://MD-20-20.tripod.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun May 28 22:50:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4T2oDk28236 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 22:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Preludef2@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.92.5586270 (4013) for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 22:50:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Preludef2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <92.5586270.266334db@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 22:50:03 EDT Subject: Transmission problem To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 77 I have a 1997 suzuki Gsxr-750. The bike has 4,000 miles, never been raced, completely stock until a slip on a week ago. Owned by a 35 year old man with 15 years of experience, so i dont think he was hole shotting it or wheelying it. But when the bike gets warm and i am riding it makes a fast clicking noise, and its coming from the transmission/clutch area. I have shops telling me its a chipped tooth, or something along those lines. If it is this, the job will cost 1500-2000 dollars. This is obsurd for a 97 gixxer to be doing this, with only 4,000 miles. The bike is in amazing condition, not one scratch, so i know the guy took care of it. I drained the oil and didn't find one metal shaving. I dont know what to think of it. If anyone has heard of cycle world in baltimore, this is the shop telling me this, but the other location says they dont feel anything wrong with it. Cycle world is probably the biggest around here, and i hope they know what they are talking about, but obviously one shop is wrong. When the bike gets warm, it will make the fast clicking noise even when it is in neutral. I really dont know what to think. If anyone has any insight i would greatly appeciate it. Oh and the bike shifts and rides perfect, never slipped out of gear or any of that. Thanks, brent From dc-cycles-request Mon May 29 12:43:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4TGhqk09619 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 12:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-130-89.s597.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.130.89] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12wSdp-0006hy-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 29 May 2000 12:43:50 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: MD2020 ---> Carpool Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:37:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfc98c$3126e420$5982a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200005272300.e4RN01e06300@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > From: Chuck Pena > Ryan,m > > Not sure what "deal" you mean, but CarPool was the site of the first > Bike Night that Mark Kitchell and I organized and it will also be the > site of the second one on Sunday, June 11th, 5pm to 9pm. Details are on > the website: > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Why not consider joining the Mason Dixon 2020, a group Saddlesore Challenge- June 9-11. http://MD-20-20.tripod.com After the Rally Feast (usually over by 4pm) in Hagerstown, we can ride down to Carpool and kick back for a couple hours afterward. I mean, how dedicated are you anyway? Ride your ass-off all weekend and go tell all the posuers about it ;-) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 150,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon May 29 15:28:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4TJSfk11860 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 15:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-195-157.s157.tnt10.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.195.157] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12wVDK-0005UV-00; Mon, 29 May 2000 15:28:39 -0400 Message-ID: <005101bfc93f$98f6d8a0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Front Rotors on my F4... Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 03:29:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Anyone have any good leads on either OEM or aftermarket rotors for a 1999 600 F4? After the dc-cycles ride today, and a couple scary braking incidents, I've decided I can no longer wait. That and I don't want to cup my front tire quite yet. Please let me know ASAP. Thanks in advance... Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 29 16:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3504.mail.yahoo.com (web3504.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4TKoak12998 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 16:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000529205029.18483.qmail@web3504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.80.214] by web3504.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:50:29 PDT Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:50:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Draven D'Arc" Subject: Re: Memorial Day ride THANKS! To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just wanted to Thank several folks thet I met on the Memorial Day ride. Thanks to: Colin & Brian(McCoy) for organizing the ride and a spectacular route.. it was probably the most enjoyable ride since I picked up my K12RS last year. Leon - for taking the time to demonstrate his GPS unit (now on my wish list) Tracy Horstman - for imparting some IronButt knowledge Mark (Petty?)- for hangin' tough after his spill and shakin' it off for his ride home...ICE on those knuckles and knee for the first 24 hrs!! Sorry, can't give you any advice for the wife.... Let us know how you fare. and Roach, Andrew, Thomas, John, and all the rest.. Thanks for reminding me that there's more to riding than racing from cafe to cafe... Makes me want to brush up on some skills to be a smoother rider. Thanks again, and I'll see you at Bike Night 2. -Corbett '99 BMW K12RS '88 Hurricane 600 (soon to be "For Sale") __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon May 29 18:35:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4TMZXk14431 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.d.5638f3c (9559) for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:35:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:35:04 EDT Subject: Fwd: Belly Pans To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_d.5638f3c.26644a98_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 --part1_d.5638f3c.26644a98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What are you guys doing about belly pans. I thought WERA would exclude air cooled 2-strokes from the belly pan requirement like CCS. Unfortunately, as you can see from the forwarded message even I need a belly pan. What are you guys doing to meet the requirement? Would a lip at the rear of the fairing lower meet the requirement? I have hardly any space between the fairing and the exhaust so it's going to be a bear doing anything elegantly. Ciao, Fred --part1_d.5638f3c.26644a98_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v73.12) with ESMTP; Mon, 29 May 2000 16:05:27 -0400 Received: from outpost.13x.com ([207.32.112.254]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v74.10) with ESMTP; Mon, 29 May 2000 16:04:41 -0400 Received: from compaq (2Cust5.tnt32.atl2.da.uu.net [63.38.66.133]) by outpost.13x.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01841 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 16:05:12 -0400 Message-ID: <02a501bfc9a7$c86755c0$1745263f@compaq> Reply-To: "WERA Motorcycle Roadracing" From: "WERA Motorcycle Roadracing" To: References: <9c.41bc5e2.26639e4b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Belly Pans Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:55:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nope, no exceptions. Even air cooled two strokes can blow up to the point where they leak oil, or fuel, or just vibrate enough that parts come loose so they have to have belly pans too... One note though, they don't have to hold a full 5qts, as long as they cover the bottom of the bike they can hold as little as 3 but usually if it covers the bottom of the bike it winds up closer to 5 anyway. Sean P. Clarke WERA Motorcycle Roadracing www.wera.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 6:19 AM Subject: Belly Pans : Saw the Summit Point race program and it indicates that all bikes will : require belly pans after 1 July. : : Is there going to be an exception for air-cooled two-strokes with respect to : belly-pans? If so an announcement would be appreciated. : : Regards, : : Fred #669 --part1_d.5638f3c.26644a98_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon May 29 18:46:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4TMkIk14577 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-21.patriot.net [209.249.180.21]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01010; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:46:13 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3932F1E6.F77D439D@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:40:38 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Fwd: Belly Pans References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do the belly pans have to be steel or aluminum??? Have mucho fibreglass and epoxy resins in me garage, and mucho toolmaking experiance from production molds to quick and dirty one-offs. Bill Huson . x Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > What are you guys doing about belly pans. I thought WERA would exclude air > cooled 2-strokes from the belly pan requirement like CCS. Unfortunately, as > you can see from the forwarded message even I need a belly pan. > > What are you guys doing to meet the requirement? Would a lip at the rear of > the fairing lower meet the requirement? I have hardly any space between the > fairing and the exhaust so it's going to be a bear doing anything elegantly. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Belly Pans > Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:55:02 -0400 > From: "WERA Motorcycle Roadracing" > To: > References: <9c.41bc5e2.26639e4b@XXXXXX> > > Nope, no exceptions. Even air cooled two strokes can blow up to the point > where they leak oil, or fuel, or just vibrate enough that parts come loose > so they have to have belly pans too... One note though, they don't have to > hold a full 5qts, as long as they cover the bottom of the bike they can hold > as little as 3 but usually if it covers the bottom of the bike it winds up > closer to 5 anyway. > > Sean P. Clarke > WERA Motorcycle Roadracing > www.wera.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 6:19 AM > Subject: Belly Pans > > : Saw the Summit Point race program and it indicates that all bikes will > : require belly pans after 1 July. > : > : Is there going to be an exception for air-cooled two-strokes with respect > to > : belly-pans? If so an announcement would be appreciated. > : > : Regards, > : > : Fred #669 From dc-cycles-request Mon May 29 21:23:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4U1NSk16720 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.b2.5ccc584 (4585) for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:23:14 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:23:13 EDT Subject: memorial day ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Thanks to Colin & Brian for a great ride today, shame about the spills and tickets other than that a great day! RMC From dc-cycles-request Mon May 29 21:23:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4U1NRk16719 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-boonet2-15.boo.net (ppp-boonet2-15.boo.net [208.184.99.15]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA08058 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:16:03 -0400 Received: by ppp-boonet2-15.boo.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC9B3.89C85600@XXXXXX>; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:19:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFC9B3.89C85600@ppp-boonet2-15.boo.net> From: Janey Cohen To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'draven_darc@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Memorial Day ride THANKS! Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:18:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BFC9B3.89CFF720" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BFC9B3.89CFF720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I second that sentiment! Organizing any type of group event can be = a thankless task. Colin and Brian certainly deserve our thanks for = putting together today's ride. I had a great time on my first-ever DC-Cycles ride (my first-ever = group ride, for that matter). I apologize if I got in anyone's way or = slowed anyone up. I volunteer to ride the sweeper position next time. = And to you in particular, Mark, I apologize if I contributed to your = accident in any way. I hope you heal quickly (and, more importantly, I = hope you didn't catch hell from your wife). I didn't get a chance to meet everyone this morning before the ride, = and I had to take off before lunch. But I hope to meet more people from = the list at future rides. Thanks again. Kurt Slawson 96 VFR750 ---------- Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:50:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Draven D'Arc" Subject: Re: Memorial Day ride THANKS! To: DC Cycles Just wanted to Thank several folks thet I met on the Memorial Day ride. 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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:57:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfc9da$5b8d3ea0$e1b8accf@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200005292300.e4TN01P14756@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > From: "Kirt S." > Anyone have any good leads on either OEM or aftermarket rotors for a 1999 > 600 F4? After the dc-cycles ride today, and a couple scary braking > incidents, I've decided I can no longer wait. That and I don't > want to cup > my front tire quite yet. Please let me know ASAP. Thanks in advance... > > Kirt > 99 F4 > Kirt Unless you are detecting a serious pulse feedback (warped rotors), or fade (and can recognize it when you feel it), save your money and go to a parking lot to learn how to panic brake. This is good advice for anyone, and especially those that want to go fast. I think Steve Harris said it best, offering, "If you want to go 100mph, will you know how fast you need to brake in a panic situation?" or something to that effect. Go to an open lot and begin with 20mph HARD BRAKING! Hard to the point of eventual front tire lock. I'm NOT kidding! If you are straight up and lock, get immediately off the brakes you won't go down. When you get to that point, step it up to 30mph in repititions until the back wheel lifts. It can be, and is done often by those who know their brakes. This isn't about being squidly, it's about knowing your limitations and those of your bike. It'll also save you some money. Now, as for cupping your front tires, the only advice I can give you there is to learn to control your general speed for the conditions and entry speed into corners via engine braking. If you are coming into corners so hot you always need your brakes, too bad for your check-book. You will cup your tires (and need to replace them) and you will run through pads more often than you need too. Not trying to bust chops here, just offering up my own experience and sophomoric knowledge. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 150,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon May 29 22:13:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4U2DVk17374 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-225.s225.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.225] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12wbX6-0006t3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:13:29 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Memorial Day ride THANKS! Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:07:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bfc9db$c4a79100$e1b8accf@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200005292300.e4TN01P14756@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > From: "Draven D'Arc" > > Just wanted to Thank several folks thet I met on the > Memorial Day ride. Thanks to: > > Mark (Petty?)- for hangin' tough after his spill and > shakin' it off for his ride home...ICE on those > knuckles and knee for the first 24 hrs!! Sorry, can't > give you any advice for the wife.... Let us know how > you fare. Dang! Real sorry to here about this. Rider error? Road condition? (it was wet when I got up this morning). In any case, hope Mark and bike are ok.. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 150,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon May 29 22:14:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4U2Enk17384 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-225.s225.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.225] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12wbYM-0007I3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:14:47 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Still for Sale Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bfc9db$f357c6a0$e1b8accf@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My black 1992 CB750 is still for sale. It has high mileage, but is in primo condition. Oil always changed at 3-4k mile intervals. Corbin gunslinger and aftermarket handlebars with bar ends. Original bars/mirrors/seat still available as well as an almost new cover and brand new set of front brake pads (oem). $2600 obo. I've also been toying with selling the XT350. 3700 miles, aftermarket bars, knuckle-busters and brand new knobbies. Also throw in the helmet, goggles and elbow/knee pads. $2000 obo. $4200 for both, firm. Serious only please. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 150,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 00:28:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f87.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4U4Sek19284 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 00:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47336 invoked by uid 0); 30 May 2000 04:28:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000530042832.47335.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.23.102.252 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:28:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.23.102.252] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: memorial day ride Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:28:32 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I got up early, checked the radar on the web, watched the news, looked out the window, too wet to ride (still raining till noon in Lakeridge). DAMN!!! I wanted to ride!! I needed to stay home and nurse the wife anyway. Story: We took Friday off and I was on my newly acquired LTD 454 and she on her LTD440 and we headed out of town. We were south bound on 806, and right where 806,609 & 616 come together at Bristersburg, I hear the wind open the mic on her Chatterbox. I look in my mirror in time to see the end of a 60MPH highside in the grass. I expected to see a leg pointing the wrong direction, but she was fortunate (I guess) to get away with 4 broken fingers (2 each hand) and 3 fractured knuckles. We discussed the accident at the end of the day and decided she was a little past her comfort level and that she let her attention wander for a moment and was off the road with very little experience in disaster recovery. She will be ok, but she's not sure if she'll get on a bike again. I'm shopping for one now, so if she decides to return to two wheel, It'll be there for her. Back to the Memorial Day ride: Spill?!?! Tickets?!?! Details? Hope all are well. Razz '99 ZX9R '86 LTD454 '83 LTD440 For sale (cheap!) looking for the next cruiser for the wife > > > >Thanks to Colin & Brian for a great ride today, shame about the spills and >tickets other than that a great day! > > >RMC ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 01:00:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4U50ek20279 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-130-30.s538.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.130.30] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12we8r-0005yG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:00:38 -0400 Message-ID: <00b201bfc98f$7b0b2ee0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <000001bfc9da$5b8d3ea0$e1b8accf@todd> Subject: Re: Front Rotors on my F4... Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:01:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Panic braking isn't the issue. I've had plenty of practice (both in parking lots and on the road), and I've gotten pretty confident with my braking. This includes when I floated the rear tire at about 40 mph in a long rolling stoppie to avoid some dipshit in a cage that pulled directly in front of me across three lanes of traffic. I had the control to not loop the bike over forward or lock the front tire. And I'm sure it looked really cool... :-) However, if I brake with any real amount of force, the front tire chirps like anti-lock brakes on a car. It's very disconcerting, and doesn't do wonders for the front suspension either. I was using quite a bit of engine braking today, considering my damn brakes were so unreliable, but a couple downhill tight blind turns kinda surprised me a bit. Realizing I needed to scrub off some speed after coming out of a previous blind turn on roads I wasn't familiar with was what got me. Couldn't slow down enough and ended up leaning the bike a little more than I'm comfortable doing on bumpy roads I don't know... I kept the rubber side down, and realized halfway through the day that I need to get these rotors replaced before I do any hard riding. That's why I left after lunch... I didn't want to, cuz I was having fun and it was cool to put faces with the names from the list, but I also didn't wanna wad myself or my bike up. Thanks for the advice though, cuz it's always good to hear other perspectives :-) Lemme know if anyone has any ideas on good deals... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:57 PM Subject: Front Rotors on my F4... > > From: "Kirt S." > > Anyone have any good leads on either OEM or aftermarket rotors for a 1999 > > 600 F4? After the dc-cycles ride today, and a couple scary braking > > incidents, I've decided I can no longer wait. That and I don't > > want to cup > > my front tire quite yet. Please let me know ASAP. Thanks in advance... > > > > Kirt > > 99 F4 > > > > Kirt > > Unless you are detecting a serious pulse feedback (warped rotors), or fade > (and can recognize it when you feel it), save your money and go to a parking > lot to learn how to panic brake. This is good advice for anyone, and > especially those that want to go fast. I think Steve Harris said it best, > offering, "If you want to go 100mph, will you know how fast you need to > brake in a panic situation?" or something to that effect. > > Go to an open lot and begin with 20mph HARD BRAKING! Hard to the point of > eventual front tire lock. I'm NOT kidding! If you are straight up and > lock, get immediately off the brakes you won't go down. When you get to > that point, step it up to 30mph in repititions until the back wheel lifts. > It can be, and is done often by those who know their brakes. This isn't > about being squidly, it's about knowing your limitations and those of your > bike. It'll also save you some money. > > Now, as for cupping your front tires, the only advice I can give you there > is to learn to control your general speed for the conditions and entry speed > into corners via engine braking. If you are coming into corners so hot you > always need your brakes, too bad for your check-book. You will cup your > tires (and need to replace them) and you will run through pads more often > than you need too. > > Not trying to bust chops here, just offering up my own experience and > sophomoric knowledge. > > Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) > <----------------------------------------> > * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 > * SS1k, FiTe V > * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) > * 150,000 miles and counting > <----------------------------------------> > > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 01:13:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dragon.vcu.edu (dragon.vcu.edu [128.172.65.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4U5Dnk20445 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hsc.vcu.edu (207-172-90-204.s267.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.90.204]) by dragon.vcu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA10908321 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <393347F3.53DF1301@hsc.vcu.edu> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:47:48 -0400 From: "David M. Lutton" Organization: George Washington University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NECCK (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/29/00 References: <200005292300.e4TN01P14756@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------18074465C904682739530D20" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------18074465C904682739530D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan- I recently got a full M4 system for my 98 YZF 600R, and am very pleased. However, if you want a quiet, relatively inert exhaust, this is not the one for you. The M4 is nasty loud, but sounds as good or better than any system I have heard on the YZFs. I have heard that the Akro's are fantastic. No personal experience, though. Hope this helps. Regearing is relatively simple. Dropping teeth in the front, or going up in teeth in the back, allows for more acceleration at the expense of the top end. I have dropped one in the front and gone up 2 in the back. It pulls much better than stock, but my top speed is around 142-145 mph. The bike is pretty twitchy, just how I like it, but it is certainly not for everyone. Expect to be shifting more often. Dave '98 YZF 600R R/B/W > > Hello folks, > > I am debating between a Micron or Akropolvic (SP?) system for my 2000 > YZF 600R. I have read rave reviews on the two systems but have never > actually seen performance graphs on either.... > > Ryan --------------18074465C904682739530D20 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dmlutton.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David M. 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Lutton end:vcard --------------18074465C904682739530D20-- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 07:52:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UBqak26336 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 07:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dc.embjapan.org (user-2ivem9l.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.89.53]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA32205 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 07:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002701bfca2e$1ecfbb60$9662a7d0@embjapan.org> From: "Jim Caldwell" To: References: <200005292300.e4TN01P14756@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Motorcycle Tricks Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:56:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I saw something a few months ago that I'm still wondering about. I was approaching the toll booth at the 301 bridge over the Potomac and was passed by a crotch rocketeer (sorry, didn't get the make of the bike). Anyway, as this guy is coasting up toward the toll booth, he stands on his pegs full upright (no hands on the bars), reaches into his back pocket and gets his wallet, extracts bill(s), puts wallet back in pocket, and sits down on the bike. I was impressed by his skill, was it anyone on the list? Anyone else who does, could do, or would do such a stunt? Thoughts? BTW, I ride a Valkyrie and was leading a flock of sportsters at the time. Jim Caldwell in MD From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 08:24:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UCOlk26735 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-190.patriot.net [209.249.180.190]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14926; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:24:42 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3933B1B8.86702F6B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:19:04 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Front Rotors on my F4... References: <000001bfc9da$5b8d3ea0$e1b8accf@todd> <00b201bfc98f$7b0b2ee0$c904fea9@wskirt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are new OEM rotors taht expensive? I'll have to look at my old crash repair bill, but I seem to recall the front rotors weren't that pricey. I paid way more for front rotor/hub on my Dodge pickemup truck, less for clip on rotors for my daughter's Omni. Bill Kirt S. wrote: > Panic braking isn't the issue. I've had plenty of practice (both in parking > lots and on the road), and I've gotten pretty confident with my braking. > This includes when I floated the rear tire at about 40 mph in a long rolling > stoppie to avoid some dipshit in a cage that pulled directly in front of me > across three lanes of traffic. I had the control to not loop the bike over > forward or lock the front tire. And I'm sure it looked really cool... :-) > > However, if I brake with any real amount of force, the front tire chirps > like anti-lock brakes on a car. It's very disconcerting, and doesn't do > wonders for the front suspension either. I was using quite a bit of engine > braking today, considering my damn brakes were so unreliable, but a couple > downhill tight blind turns kinda surprised me a bit. Realizing I needed to > scrub off some speed after coming out of a previous blind turn on roads I > wasn't familiar with was what got me. Couldn't slow down enough and ended > up leaning the bike a little more than I'm comfortable doing on bumpy roads > I don't know... I kept the rubber side down, and realized halfway through > the day that I need to get these rotors replaced before I do any hard > riding. That's why I left after lunch... I didn't want to, cuz I was > having fun and it was cool to put faces with the names from the list, but I > also didn't wanna wad myself or my bike up. > > Thanks for the advice though, cuz it's always good to hear other > perspectives :-) > > Lemme know if anyone has any ideas on good deals... > > Kirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Peer" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:57 PM > Subject: Front Rotors on my F4... > > > > From: "Kirt S." > > > Anyone have any good leads on either OEM or aftermarket rotors for a > 1999 > > > 600 F4? After the dc-cycles ride today, and a couple scary braking > > > incidents, I've decided I can no longer wait. That and I don't > > > want to cup > > > my front tire quite yet. Please let me know ASAP. Thanks in advance... > > > > > > Kirt > > > 99 F4 > > > > > > > Kirt > > > > Unless you are detecting a serious pulse feedback (warped rotors), or fade > > (and can recognize it when you feel it), save your money and go to a > parking > > lot to learn how to panic brake. This is good advice for anyone, and > > especially those that want to go fast. I think Steve Harris said it best, > > offering, "If you want to go 100mph, will you know how fast you need to > > brake in a panic situation?" or something to that effect. > > > > Go to an open lot and begin with 20mph HARD BRAKING! Hard to the point of > > eventual front tire lock. I'm NOT kidding! If you are straight up and > > lock, get immediately off the brakes you won't go down. When you get to > > that point, step it up to 30mph in repititions until the back wheel lifts. > > It can be, and is done often by those who know their brakes. This isn't > > about being squidly, it's about knowing your limitations and those of your > > bike. It'll also save you some money. > > > > Now, as for cupping your front tires, the only advice I can give you there > > is to learn to control your general speed for the conditions and entry > speed > > into corners via engine braking. If you are coming into corners so hot > you > > always need your brakes, too bad for your check-book. You will cup your > > tires (and need to replace them) and you will run through pads more often > > than you need too. > > > > Not trying to bust chops here, just offering up my own experience and > > sophomoric knowledge. > > > > Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) > > <----------------------------------------> > > * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 > > * SS1k, FiTe V > > * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) > > * 150,000 miles and counting > > <----------------------------------------> > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 08:26:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UCQuk26748 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-190.patriot.net [209.249.180.190]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15154 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:26:50 -0400 X-Real-To: Message-ID: <3933B239.82E5C85B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:21:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: the saga continues - Harleyed again... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7EEE8CB9152AB52D01FB37E2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7EEE8CB9152AB52D01FB37E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------7EEE8CB9152AB52D01FB37E2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3933B032.54D24D63@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:12:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycle@XXXXXX Subject: the saga continues - Harleyed again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello bike fans Perhaps a few of you recall my ill-fated trip to the DCcycles Circles event down near Lakeridge - that's when my Harley lost oil pressure and came home in a pickup truck. Well, after more'n two months residing at Crossroads Cycles it fiiinally got put together on Friday, this after I was told they had the wrong primary gasket and I replied, so what silicone the bugger on. Geez. Two frigging months to flush cam bearing piecey-parts outta the engine, replace bearing/cam/oil piump. So off I go on Sunday, out to Loudoun campus to finish up another MSF Ridrecourse. Great class, lotta potential good riders. We handed out 20 cards, and a big ol' cheer for the one novice who aced the riding eval - perfect scores. SHE was also very cute. The guys accepted her victory very graciouslly. Only a few whimpered :-) Back on the bike - all freshly repaired - for the trip home. The othter insructor who also lives in Annandale falls in behind me, ignoring the slieght oil leak. Hey, it's a Harley. 10 miles down the road, a total of 40 miles since repair, and I hear a funny noise and then nothing. YIKES!!! And then of course WHATDAFUG!!! One Hawg D.O.A. on the side of the road. The rescue: After trying all the folks with trailers who we knew phone numbers from memory and having no luck, Dave leaves me his cellphone and motors off on his Gold Wing to find a phone book. It's the end of Rolling Thunder and I can't begin to count up all the Harleys that chugged past and dissappeared over the hill. Then I see a turn signal light up and a black cruiser pulls a U-turn and chugs back. A Suzuki Maurader, and the rider is a nice woman named Terri. She sez Henry's Wrecker is right up the road and her cellphone does 411 info - the one I have doesn't seem to recognize 411. Call Henry's, call Dave, and thank Terri for stopping. Later two more bikes out the crowd of thundering Hawgs turn around and come back - a Kawi Z someting, red, and Beemer K model, cream. Thanks, guys, hook is on the away, and they take off. The guy from Henry's cuts me a break on the tow - way cool. Bottom line - I'm bikeless again - 40 frigging miles. Okay, Denny (CC), who forgot to tighten what? Saved by a Gold wing rider and a lady Suzuki rider, consoled by a Kawi rider and Beemer rider. Ignored by seventy `leven Hawg riders. Hmmm... Bill --------------7EEE8CB9152AB52D01FB37E2-- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 08:50:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UCofk27145 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16208; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:38:00 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.9) with SMTP id IAA33422; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:50:31 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568EF.00468684 ; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:50:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: bhuson@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568EF.0045A503.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:40:39 -0400 Subject: the saga continues - Harleyed again... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Aha Bill, life just ain't fair! Sorry to hear you're rideless again......but it is starting to make a good story. When do we get the next installment? I don't think I'd want to be on the receiving end of the converstation you're gonna have with Mr. Fixit (but would like to be a fly on the wall). >>Bottom line - I'm bikeless again - 40 frigging miles. Okay, Denny (CC), >>who forgot to tighten what? Saved by a Gold wing rider and a lady >>Suzuki rider, consoled by a Kawi rider and Beemer rider. Ignored by >>seventy `leven Hawg riders. Hmmm... Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 08:58:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UCwLk27221 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-40.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.104]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAB13365; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3933E60F.79E7CC5F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:02:23 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Front Rotors on my F4... References: <000001bfc9da$5b8d3ea0$e1b8accf@todd> <00b201bfc98f$7b0b2ee0$c904fea9@wskirt> <3933B1B8.86702F6B@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, FWIW, I recently replaced the front rotors on my '93 Suzuki GSXR 750 (was experiencing the same sensation as Kirt and I attributed it to a warped rotor). Went with non-OEM rotors (can't remember which ones, but they are "compatible" with HH brake pads I also had installed). Cost ~$375 for the pair and that was a lot less expensive than OEM (which, in theory, also aren't as good). Chuck Bill Huson wrote: > > Are new OEM rotors taht expensive? I'll have to look at my old crash repair > bill, but I seem to recall the front rotors weren't that pricey. I paid way > more for front rotor/hub on my Dodge pickemup truck, less for clip on rotors for > my daughter's Omni. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 08:59:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from osd.mil (firewall-user@XXXXXX [140.185.28.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UCxEk27231 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by osd.mil; id IAA24315; Tue, 30 May 2000 08:12:09 GMT Received: from quasar.acq.osd.mil(134.152.48.171) by gateway3.osd.mil via smap (V4.2) id xma023670; Tue, 30 May 00 08:11:47 GMT Received: by quasar.acq.osd.mil(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 852568EF.0047F322 ; Tue, 30 May 2000 09:05:52 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: OUSD_AT From: "Adam D Bowers -CTR" To: "Jim Caldwell" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568EF.0047F1F9.00@quasar.acq.osd.mil> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:55:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Tricks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline LOL...yep, I had a friend that was crazy like that...except he didn't have a reason like that. We would be heading down the road and he would just stand up and put his hands on his sides like he was superman and stay that way for a little while. He also has a tendancy to sit and ride on his tank while we are going 90mph down the beltway!! Adam D. Bowers (703) 693-6521 x163 Bravo Team Analyst OUSD(A&T) Information Management Technology From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 09:07:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UD7kk27366 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 09:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cheeks.excite.com ([199.172.152.207]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000530130732.ZUTT5565.bucky.excite.com@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 06:07:32 -0700 Message-ID: <7562545.959692052886.JavaMail.imail@cheeks.excite.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 06:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian LaSalle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Selling my 1996 Nighthawk 750 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 208.230.248.3 I am selling my 1996 Nighthawk - here is the ad: 1996 Honda Nighthawk 750, Rare Yellow CB750 Nighthawk,self-adjusting valves, carefully maintained and adult ridden, never down, Yoshimura 4-into-1 full exhaust, K&N air filter, Dynojet Stage 1 jet kit professionally installed, Corbin Gunfighter seat, mini-fairing, Michelin Macadam 90X radial tires, perfect condition, email blasalle@XXXXXX for pictures $3,750.00, (301) 579-2353 Other details - 10,150 miles kept indoors in my heated basement year round. Anybody know anyone interested in a very nice ultra-low maintainance bike please send them my way. Thanks Brian "Whoever is the most impertinent has the best chance." Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 09:50:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4UDoWk28728 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 09:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000530135024.26269.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.193] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 30 May 2000 06:50:24 PDT Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 06:50:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Front Rotors on my F4... To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Before my RR was stolen I put EBC rotors on it. They were purchased from Jenspeed at a very reasonable price ($350). Stock honda rotors will cost you much more than that, and they blow, IMO. Dude....change your email setup so that dc-cycles mail has that address listed in it. I keep getting your dc-cycles email in my personal mailbox. --- "Kirt S." wrote: > Anyone have any good leads on either OEM or > aftermarket rotors for a 1999 > 600 F4? After the dc-cycles ride today, and a > couple scary braking > incidents, I've decided I can no longer wait. That > and I don't want to cup > my front tire quite yet. Please let me know ASAP. > Thanks in advance... > > Kirt > 99 F4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 09:54:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UDsNk28784 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 09:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 May 2000 09:46:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Ryan Matteson'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Full Systems Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:45:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Ryan, I can't help with your pipe question (a YZF list [EXUP brotherhood for example?] would probably be a better bet), but I might be able to help with your gearing issue. There are a lot of pluses and minuses to consider. You can satisfy your requirements by getting a different sprocket for either the countershaft or the rear wheel. In general, minus one tooth on the front (countershaft) sprocket equals going up two or three teeth on the rear wheel sprocket. Either of these two alterations will give you more mid-range oomph. This will, however, make your problem with close shifts even more pronounced. You can't have it both ways by fooling with the gearing - your bike only has a certain amount of power and you either have close shifts with more power or distant shifts with less power. If you decide to change one of the sprockets, keep these principles in mind: Changing the front sprocket is cheaper (it's a smaller part) and no more difficult than changing the rear. Changing the front, however, may decrease chain life. (The chain is going around a tighter radius) Changing the rear is a little more expensive and easier on the chain, however you may need a new chain for it to fit. Changing the rear also may give you clearance problems with the swingarm and/or a rear hugger if you have one. Changing either sprocket for more grunt will mean a higher-revving engine at highway cruising speeds. I personally changed the front sprocket on my bike, with slightly more grunt than before as a result. Cheers, Chris Weaver > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Matteson [SMTP:desc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 8:22 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Full Systems > > Hello folks, > > I am debating between a Micron or Akropolvic (SP?) system for my 2000 > YZF 600R. I have read rave reviews on the two systems but have never > actually seen performance graphs on either or. I am looking to get a bit > more torque out of the bike so I can accelerate a bit faster but am not > really sure what I can tweak to do this. I am also curious how re-gearing > works? I would like to be able to add a bit more time in between shifting > gears as the factory gear settings on the bike aren't to my liking. > > Thanks for any info, > > Ryan > > =============================================================== > Ryan Matteson: UNIX Administrator > Home Email: desc@XXXXXX > Work Email: rmatteson@XXXXXX > Web Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc > PGP Public Key: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc/public.asc > =============================================================== From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 09:58:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UDwnk28931 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 09:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BABYTALK ([10.10.10.59]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id KRARYC7R; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:01:22 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01bfca3f$821974c0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: <00cf01bfc7ec$be2d1ca0$c36aaccf@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Thanks Nelson Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:01:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Can I second that! Nelson helped me with synchronizing my carbs (although once we had the guage hooked up it turned out they were in synch) after he worked on Danny's bike. If I would have done it myself god knows how long it would have taken. han ----- Original Message ----- From: Danny Thompson To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 11:03 AM Subject: Thanks Nelson > I just wanted to say a special thanks to Nelson Fernandez for working on the > jetting on my SV. He had all the jets and did all the work. Explained it to > me in terms I understood (no small task) and now it feels like the race bike > is stronger up top and still pulls in the middle. I even think I feel a > little hit around 8000 that wasn't there before. You are welcome in my pit > anytime to do some wrenching or just hang out. > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) > www.onewayracing.org > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 > Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 09:59:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UDxek28965 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 09:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 May 2000 09:51:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Preludef2@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Transmission problem Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:51:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain It might be your camchain tensioner. A lot of bikes seem to have occasional problems with these things. The people I've heard about who have had this problem describe a sound similar to yours. I think the sound usually comes from the top end of the motor though. It might be something to ask about and it's probably a lot cheaper to fix. FWIW, I don't recall that it would be a serious problem if that's what it turns out to be. You might be getting the shaft from the dealer. It isn't Coleman Powersports/PowerRide Motorsports is it? I know a lot of people who have been ripped off by them in the past. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Preludef2@XXXXXX [SMTP:Preludef2@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 10:50 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Transmission problem > > I have a 1997 suzuki Gsxr-750. The bike has 4,000 miles, never been > raced, > completely stock until a slip on a week ago. Owned by a 35 year old man > with > 15 years of experience, so i dont think he was hole shotting it or > wheelying > it. But when the bike gets warm and i am riding it makes a fast clicking > noise, and its coming from the transmission/clutch area. I have shops > telling me its a chipped tooth, or something along those lines. If it is > this, the job will cost 1500-2000 dollars. This is obsurd for a 97 gixxer > to > be doing this, with only 4,000 miles. The bike is in amazing condition, > not > one scratch, so i know the guy took care of it. I drained the oil and > didn't > find one metal shaving. I dont know what to think of it. If anyone has > heard of cycle world in baltimore, this is the shop telling me this, but > the > other location says they dont feel anything wrong with it. Cycle world is > > probably the biggest around here, and i hope they know what they are > talking > about, but obviously one shop is wrong. When the bike gets warm, it will > make the fast clicking noise even when it is in neutral. I really dont > know > what to think. If anyone has any insight i would greatly appeciate it. > Oh > and the bike shifts and rides perfect, never slipped out of gear or any of > > that. Thanks, brent From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 10:50:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UEosk00553 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-217-177.s177.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.177] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12wnM3-0000IG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:50:52 -0400 Message-ID: <009801bfc9e1$ea379900$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <000001bfc9da$5b8d3ea0$e1b8accf@todd> <00b201bfc98f$7b0b2ee0$c904fea9@wskirt> <3933B1B8.86702F6B@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Front Rotors on my F4... Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:51:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ok...broad sweeping reply time... > Are new OEM rotors taht expensive? I'll have to look at my old crash repair > bill, but I seem to recall the front rotors weren't that pricey. I paid way > more for front rotor/hub on my Dodge pickemup truck, less for clip on rotors for > my daughter's Omni. > > Bill YES...very. Compared to aftermarket rotors, which I hear some are actually a little better than stock rotors. >FWIW, I recently replaced the front rotors on my '93 Suzuki GSXR 750 >(was experiencing the same sensation as Kirt and I attributed it to a >warped rotor). Went with non-OEM rotors (can't remember which ones, but >they are "compatible" with HH brake pads I also had installed). Cost >~$375 for the pair and that was a lot less expensive than OEM (which, in >theory, also aren't as good). > >Chuck Thanks...I'll check 'em out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > Before my RR was stolen I put EBC rotors on it. They > were purchased from Jenspeed at a very reasonable > price ($350). Stock honda rotors will cost you much > more than that, and they blow, IMO. Cool...I'll look at these too. > Dude....change your email setup so that dc-cycles mail > has that address listed in it. I keep getting your > dc-cycles email in my personal mailbox. sorry...hit BCC instead of TO when writing the e-mail. Kirt From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 11:00:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UF0bk00697 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 11:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12wnU6-0000Ok-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 30 May 2000 07:59:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Tricks In-Reply-To: <002701bfca2e$1ecfbb60$9662a7d0@embjapan.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You mean you've never gone through turns standing on the pegs playing airplane? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 12:16:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UGGmk02373 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.ca.54fc4e4 (4331); Tue, 30 May 2000 12:16:34 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:16:33 EDT Subject: Re: memorial day ride To: RMccre5861@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 In a message dated 5/29/00 9:25:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RMccre5861@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks to Colin & Brian for a great ride today, shame about the spills and > tickets other than that a great day! It was a great ride... and the tickets are bullshit. If the cop was ever within a mile of my bike, I'll be willing to concede that I deserved a ticket. Giving tickets to 7 guys sitting at an intersection is rather, um, bogus. Ah well, somehow I don't think this'll stand up in court. Speaking of which... who's elected to call a lawyer? I'll be out of town till Sunday as I'm racing in Indy, otherwise I'd be willing to take care of it. If everyone wants to wait till I get back I'll be happy to be point man. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 12:44:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UGilk02857 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.7a.5e1167b (3926) for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7a.5e1167b.266549f2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:44:34 EDT Subject: Re: the saga continues - Harleyed again... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/30/00 8:29:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Bottom line - I'm bikeless again - 40 frigging miles. Okay, Denny (CC), > who forgot to tighten what? Saved by a Gold wing rider and a lady > Suzuki rider, consoled by a Kawi rider and Beemer rider. Ignored by > seventy `leven Hawg riders. Hmmm... > Wow, really sorry to hear about the bike! Hopefully it's a quick/cheap fix. Pretty sad when ANY riders pass by a stranded bro like that. Rob Note: This message may contain sarcasm. If you can't take sarcasm, please disregard this message and get a life. :) From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 12:52:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UGqgk02993 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.168.51] by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQirlb25348 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:52:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@misserve0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:52:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: VERY NICE Ebay items(moto-related) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" '99 RS250R http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3392 47691&r=0&t=0 Superhawk Carbon-ified http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3442 21754&r=0&t=0 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 12:54:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UGs0k03003 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06120 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:34:14 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.9) with SMTP id MAA32256 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:53:52 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568EF.005CCCD3 ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:53:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568EF.005C9E50.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:51:34 -0400 Subject: Re: the saga continues - Harleyed again... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In a message dated 5/30/00 8:29:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Bottom line - I'm bikeless again - 40 frigging miles. Okay, Denny (CC), > who forgot to tighten what? Saved by a Gold wing rider and a lady > Suzuki rider, consoled by a Kawi rider and Beemer rider. Ignored by > seventy `leven Hawg riders. Hmmm... Bill, I am curious, were they arley parts that were re-installed or did you go with after-market? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 13:15:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UHFPk03726 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 13:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-247-231.s231.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.247.231] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12wpbu-0003RX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 30 May 2000 13:15:22 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01bfc9f6$182244a0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: Subject: Re: memorial day ride Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Who got tickets and what for??? Kirt "left after lunch" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: Re: memorial day ride > In a message dated 5/29/00 9:25:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > RMccre5861@XXXXXX writes: > > > Thanks to Colin & Brian for a great ride today, shame about the spills and > > tickets other than that a great day! > > It was a great ride... and the tickets are bullshit. If the cop was ever > within a mile of my bike, I'll be willing to concede that I deserved a > ticket. Giving tickets to 7 guys sitting at an intersection is rather, um, > bogus. Ah well, somehow I don't think this'll stand up in court. > > Speaking of which... who's elected to call a lawyer? I'll be out of town till > Sunday as I'm racing in Indy, otherwise I'd be willing to take care of it. If > everyone wants to wait till I get back I'll be happy to be point man. > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 14:42:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f83.hotmail.com [216.32.181.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4UIgpk06651 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7630 invoked by uid 0); 30 May 2000 18:42:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000530184235.7629.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 151.140.42.63 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2000 11:42:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [151.140.42.63] From: "No Body" To: razzsounds@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: memorial day ride Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:42:35 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Back to the Memorial Day ride: >Spill?!?! I had a little spill too, nothing serious. I fell on my ass doing 5mph turn onto some road. Lost control and pulled on the front brakes too hard, next thing I know I am the ground with my bike resting on my left leg. Since most of the bike was on gravel - Damage - Small scratch on the left side of the bike - Few scratches on my left leg - Busted left turn indicator - Slightly bruised ego Thanks to everyone (I am horrible at remembering names) who rushed to help me, and get my bike off the ground, patch my turn indicator. I was a little out of it for a second lying on the ground wondering what the hell happened. It was the first time I had ever taken a spill on a bike; I was a lucky to be riding with experienced people. >Tickets?!?! > Since I was one of the slower riders I was at the back of the pack, I saw the cop coming up from behind and though for sure that I was getting pulled over, the guy in the black Yamaha FZR (sorry cant remember names) in front of me slowed and eventually came to a stop, I stopped next to him only to see the cop pass the both of us and continue tear assing up the road. When the two of us finally got to the end of the road we saw the cop had his lights on and was out of the car talking to the 9 or so riders who where ahead of us, the cop gestured the two of us to keep moving... I know everyone in the front group got reckless riding tickets which really sucks... sorry about that guys, I am sure they will fill you in on the details. Regards Sanath Blue Yamaha YZF600R ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 15:05:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UJ5Qk07173 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:05:02 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062B2D@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , RMccre5861@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: memorial day ride Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:59:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Man, can we please get the details of this......... > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:17 PM > To: RMccre5861@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: memorial day ride > > In a message dated 5/29/00 9:25:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > RMccre5861@XXXXXX writes: > > > Thanks to Colin & Brian for a great ride today, shame about the spills > and > > tickets other than that a great day! > > It was a great ride... and the tickets are bullshit. If the cop was ever > within a mile of my bike, I'll be willing to concede that I deserved a > ticket. Giving tickets to 7 guys sitting at an intersection is rather, um, > > bogus. Ah well, somehow I don't think this'll stand up in court. > > Speaking of which... who's elected to call a lawyer? I'll be out of town > till > Sunday as I'm racing in Indy, otherwise I'd be willing to take care of it. > If > everyone wants to wait till I get back I'll be happy to be point man. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 15:21:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UJL4k07426 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.b2.5d1224d (6102) for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:20:00 EDT Subject: Re: memorial day ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Brian - If you know a good lawyer, please lead away. I had some dealing with one in Leesburg a few years ago - not sure if he's still in business or is in this line of business. Do we (all nine of us) want to do this as a group or individually? I tend to agree with Ben Franklin: "We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 16:15:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UKF1k08171 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-198.patriot.net [209.249.180.198]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19016; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:14:54 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39341FEA.1DC62666@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:09:14 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: knapik@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the saga continues - Harleyed again... References: <852568EF.005C9E50.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Except for the cam bearing, a Torrington to replace the H-D junko bearing that puked, methinks all the parts were H-D. In fact on ehold up wa getting a stock H-D cam. Coulda saved time by going with a aftermarket hot cam, which are readily available. Bill knapik@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 5/30/00 8:29:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Bottom line - I'm bikeless again - 40 frigging miles. Okay, Denny (CC), > > who forgot to tighten what? Saved by a Gold wing rider and a lady > > Suzuki rider, consoled by a Kawi rider and Beemer rider. Ignored by > > seventy `leven Hawg riders. Hmmm... > > Bill, I am curious, were they arley parts that were re-installed or did you > go with after-market? > > Regards, > Tom Knapik > E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 16:23:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f230.hotmail.com [209.185.130.168]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4UKNWk08267 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36054 invoked by uid 0); 30 May 2000 20:23:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000530202323.36053.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2000 13:23:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: memorial day ride Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:23:23 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Any of the group a member of AMA??? They can set you up with a lawyer familiar with motorcycle cases. Good luck. >From: MJordan666@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: memorial day ride >Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:20:00 EDT > >Brian - If you know a good lawyer, please lead away. > >I had some dealing with one in Leesburg a few years ago - not sure if he's >still in business or is in this line of business. > >Do we (all nine of us) want to do this as a group or individually? > >I tend to agree with Ben Franklin: > >"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang >separately." > >Michael J. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 16:42:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4UKgXk08549 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000530204220.18960.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 30 May 2000 13:42:20 PDT Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: memorial day ride To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Somebody should check to see how Va. classifies 'reckless driving.' If it is a misdemeanor (it is, after all, a must appear offense, and it is not a felony), then the officer needs to witness the misdemeanor in order to charge you with it. From the sound of all this, the Law may have gotten a cell phone call from some concerned citizen. It takes more than that to get a conviction; it actually takes more than that to even write a ticket. Just some info to use in beginning to prepare a defense....I don't pretend to know virginia law in any way. --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > Brian - If you know a good lawyer, please lead away. > > I had some dealing with one in Leesburg a few years > ago - not sure if he's still in business or is in > this line of business. > > Do we (all nine of us) want to do this as a group or > individually? > > I tend to agree with Ben Franklin: > > "We must indeed all hang together, or, most > assuredly, we shall all hang separately." > > Michael J. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 16:52:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UKqQk08697 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:51:57 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062B3C@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'VFR List'" Subject: Yellow Light Help..... Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:46:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I just installed a Hella 70W/80W yellow bulb on the right side of my 1991 VFR lighting unit. Only the left bulb (the old one) lights at the low beam setting (like an RC51) and the yellow does come on at high beams. I don't like this....have I installed the bulb incorrectly (?) or is this normal? TIA Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 16:56:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UKuZk08720 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:56:07 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062B3E@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Tom Gimer'" , MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: memorial day ride Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:50:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I hate to be a bitch, but as a member of this list its your damm responsibility to give us the juicy details of this multiple reckless ticket!!! (-: COME ON! Inquiring minds want to know.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 4:42 PM > To: MJordan666@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: memorial day ride > > Somebody should check to see how Va. classifies > 'reckless driving.' If it is a misdemeanor (it is, > after all, a must appear offense, and it is not a > felony), then the officer needs to witness the > misdemeanor in order to charge you with it. From the > sound of all this, the Law may have gotten a cell > phone call from some concerned citizen. It takes more > than that to get a conviction; it actually takes more > than that to even write a ticket. > > Just some info to use in beginning to prepare a > defense....I don't pretend to know virginia law in any > way. > > > --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > Brian - If you know a good lawyer, please lead away. > > > > I had some dealing with one in Leesburg a few years > > ago - not sure if he's still in business or is in > > this line of business. > > > > Do we (all nine of us) want to do this as a group or > > individually? > > > > I tend to agree with Ben Franklin: > > > > "We must indeed all hang together, or, most > > assuredly, we shall all hang separately." > > > > Michael J. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 17:00:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UL0Hk08869 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 17:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:59:56 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062B3F@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'VFR List'" Subject: Bike Night 2 Update Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:54:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Just a reminder, Bike Night 2 is coming up June 11th (Sunday) at CarPool in Arlington, VA. We had 60-70 motorcycles last time, and expect many more this time. Also, you can throw a few bucks towards the fundraising efforts of your fellow motorcyclists working the Washignton DC AIDS Ride 5!! Our website is: http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Also, PLEASE cross post this to as many other motorcycle related email lists as possible and let me know where you send it. Thanks Mark Kitchell Chuck Pena From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 17:25:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4ULPrk09162 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 17:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1cust98.tnt1.phoenix.az.da.uu.net [63.14.172.98] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:24:24 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: the saga continues - Harleyed again... Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:24:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001001bfca7d$6532bd10$62ac0e3f@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sheesh, it's not like the HD engines are all that difficult in the first place (to give you an indication, I completely tore one down, did measurements on EVERYTHING and put it back together in about 4 hours... this is having Never seen one before and not being famaliar with the manual.) To give some perspective, it took me about 12 hours to do the same on a Honda ATC250 engine. Bill, I think you're getting screwed, no lube, no curtosey reach around.. just out and out violence. If you have the time, I'd suggest doing the work yourself.. it's simple, you get the satasfaction of doing it right, save money, will likely do it faster than the 2 months it took someone else, and will know that things are the way they should be when you're all done with the project. I hope you ream someone a new A**hole for this folly... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 17:34:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ULY6k09298 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 17:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id r.77.4bc39cc (4553); Tue, 30 May 2000 17:33:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <77.4bc39cc.26658d97@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:33:11 EDT Subject: Bike Lawyers To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Try 1-800-on a bike or 800-531-2424 Aid to Injured Motorcyclists. That phone number will get you the Law offices of Richard Lester (Any of you guys Virginia ABATE members? - sounds like you need a legislative support network to take some of these BS encounters to the courts and/or the legislature. IF any of this happens to you in Maryland, please let me know. ) Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 17:34:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4ULYok09308 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 17:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12wtcy-0000Ea-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:32:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: memorial day ride In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062B3E@QSI_TYSONS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 May 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > COME ON! Inquiring minds want to know.... > 9 of us where stopped at a stop sign waiting for the rest of the group to arrive when a cop showed up and wrote us wreckless driving tickets. Apparently someone called up the police and besmirched the good name of DC-Cycles. The two times the cop laid eyes on us we where stopped at stop signs, apparently this is grounds for wreckless driving in the commonwealth of Virginia. It's a pretty boring story since we didn't do anything wrong and I had left my guns at home. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 18:25:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UMPsk10035 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 30 May 2000 18:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <39343FC0.5BDA8583@cox.rr.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:25:04 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: memorial day ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll also try some lawyer-searching, will let you know what I find. I suspect the lawyer will have a better idea of whether we should stay together, but I can't think of why we wouldn't. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > Brian - If you know a good lawyer, please lead away. > > I had some dealing with one in Leesburg a few years ago - not sure if he's still in business or is in this line of business. > > Do we (all nine of us) want to do this as a group or individually? > > I tend to agree with Ben Franklin: > > "We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 18:26:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web214.mail.yahoo.com (web214.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4UMQ3k10045 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21511 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2000 22:26:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000530222600.21510.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.214.111.84] by web214.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:26:00 PDT Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Memorial Day Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Fellow Convicts- Although maybe I shouldn't address it that way, since, after all, we ARE until until proven guilty, right?!?! Anyways, I spoke to a fellow biker-buddy of mine last night about our little incident yesterday. He suggested we contact the AMA to get advice from them, and they may hopefully be able to refer us to some good counsel in the area. I don't know how many (if any) of you guys are AMA members, but I am, and I'd figure the more of us who are, the better off we'd be. And after all, that is what we pay our dues for, right?? ... Preserving the Rights of Motorcyclists I'm working out of town this week in TX and won't have a ton of time on my hands, but I'll see if I can find out some info. on this from the AMA. I also just wrote a friend of mine in Baltimore. She's graduating MD Law School this weekend, and her Dad's some hotshot defense attorney up there, so I'm hoping she/they might be able to come up with a good referral as well. I also think we should go in on this as an all-or-nothing group, as we discussed yesterday. Btw - I actually am a DC-Cycles "digest" subscriber, so I generally only recieve the one nightly email. However, I would like to stay on top of everything real-time as events transpire throughout each day, so would you guys mind cc:'ing me on all emails referencing our little plight here?? Glenn '98 VFR 800 (the red one other than Hugh's, for those still trying to make out everyone's names) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 18:43:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UMhIk10347 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-198.patriot.net [209.249.180.198]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA06642; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:43:12 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <393442AC.CB21EE0E@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:37:32 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the saga continues - Harleyed again... References: <001001bfca7d$6532bd10$62ac0e3f@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yess, but this was a broken engine, and it had to be removed from the frame to work on it. The oil pump drive shaft was bent and had to be cut. Remember where that is? That tiny space just inside the gearcase cover. About three hours and several airsaw blades later it gave way. Do you know the old flat rate manuals were made? Average time for tech students to do the job times four became the flat rate in hours. That accounted for less than ideal shop conditions, less than ideal tool selections, delays aquiring parts, and those annoying interuptions from other customers. But yes, two months is ludicrious. 40 miles before crapping out is laughable. Knowledge and skills isn't my problem, time is. My spare time is spent on a personal project I consider more important than turning wrenchs. I haven't even touched my project bike, an anchient Norton in need of much work. Bill Brian McCoy wrote: > Sheesh, it's not like the HD engines are all that difficult in the first > place (to give you an indication, I completely tore one down, did > measurements on EVERYTHING and put it back together in about 4 hours... > this is having Never seen one before and not being famaliar with the > manual.) > > To give some perspective, it took me about 12 hours to do the same on a > Honda ATC250 engine. > > Bill, I think you're getting screwed, no lube, no curtosey reach around.. > just out and out violence. If you have the time, I'd suggest doing the work > yourself.. it's simple, you get the satasfaction of doing it right, save > money, will likely do it faster than the 2 months it took someone else, and > will know that things are the way they should be when you're all done with > the project. > > I hope you ream someone a new A**hole for this folly... > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 18:48:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UMmOk10465 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.e3.50dafb1 (1558) for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:47:58 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:47:57 EDT Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 For those involved who are interested. I've set up an AOL screen name "loudoun690" to act as a manual newsgroup. If you want a relatively secure place to drop an e-mail this is it. I would appreciate the names, addresses, phone numbers, e-mail addresses and bike type (so I can put a face with the bike - I'm REALLY bad this way :-( ) of the participants at the enforced rest stop. I'll forward all messages received to the group at least once per day - Not being paranoid here, but keep the content away from discussion of the particulars of the day. You may also want to investigate using PGP to maintain the privacy of any descriptive prose. For those who want the particulars... We turned onto 609 northbound out of Hillsboro. The lead bikes were running at the speed limit +/- a (very) few. We were on a downhill right hander when an unmarked state cop (with fore and aft radar) passed us going the other way. This was within the first 1/4 mile or so. We got to the "T" intersertion of 690 and 673 and stopped to wait for the rest of the group. Well after we had stopped, the state cop came over the last rise with lights and sound effects, and the rest, as they say, is history. The facts are: 1. The cop saw us at the start of the road doing the speed limit. 2. Something caused him to turn around come after us. What, we don't know (at this time) 3. The next time he saw us we were stopped. He told one of the group members that he had neither a radar reading nor a paced reading. 4. Everybody who was not a cop got a ticket for Reckless Driving. Ultimately, the only times this particular minion of the law saw us, we were well within the law. This is as I recall it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 18:52:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UMq7k10547 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web220.mail.yahoo.com (web220.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.120]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA19354 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000530223540.323.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.214.111.84] by web220.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:35:40 PDT Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Memorial Day Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Btw - wasn't there 10 of us?? I may be wrong, but I've seen a couple of you guys write 9, and when we start talking to lawyers, we'll obviously need to get our count right. >From what I remember (and sorry for forgetting names...after all, it was my first time meeting all of you, so I'll do my best!!)...in order of bikes from front to back.... 1) Colin 2) Bryan 3) The guy I believe on one of the Suzuki Bandits (weren't there 2??) 4) One of the 2 Jordans I met 5) The guy on the EX500 on my left 6) Me (red 98 VFR 800) 7) Hugh Caldwell (other red VFR 800) 8) The guy I think on the other Suzuki Bandit 9) Can't remember who was here...but I believe there was someone else back there...sorry if I forgot you! 10) Gerald Hubbard on the Ducati ST-4 Glenn Braunstein __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 19:07:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UN7Gk10852 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ravinc.com ([216.181.133.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA21397 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:54:33 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Bike Lawyers Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:02:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Richard Lester is pretty well known for being a motorcyclist attorney that is bad for motorcycling. He continually sues the motorcycle companies for not having the appropriate "safety gear" built into the motorcycles (i.e. leg guards and such). He's part of the problem when it comes to motorcycle legislation that is bad for motorcyclists. The AMA has to do lots of damage control based on his cases. I don't know Mr. Lester, but I have read about some of his cases in various motorcycle rags. His intentions ?may? be good (at least for his wallet), but his execution is scary for the sport as a whole. I wish I had some URLs to back up these statements, but I really don't have time to find them. I know they are there though, if anyone cares enough to do any research. There was definitely an article in "American Motorcyclist" as well as a couple on various webzines over the years (maybe even MCN?). None of them had anything positive to say. Something to think about for those in need of a lawyer. Hell, aren't there any lawyers on the list who can help out? Maybe we should organize a DC Cycles ride with a stop at the court house next month :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 19:11:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UNB4k10865 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA22783 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id r.a7.44da034 (1558); Tue, 30 May 2000 19:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:08:52 EDT Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride To: gbraunst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 5/30/00 18:53:12 Eastern Daylight Time, gbraunst@XXXXXX writes: > 4) One of the 2 Jordans I met Michael (GSX 1100G) & Sean (CBR 1000 (but on Collin's Bandit)) Jordan were there Thomas Jordan escaped with the back group From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 19:22:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UNMik11072 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h009.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.66]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA23482 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15831 invoked from network); 30 May 2000 16:21:00 -0700 Received: from 1Cust82.tnt2.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.23.125.82) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 30 May 2000 16:21:00 -0700 X-Sent: 30 May 2000 23:21:00 GMT Message-ID: <008101bfca8e$8ec67200$527d173f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Thanks Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:26:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007E_01BFCA6D.062383A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01BFCA6D.062383A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to everyone who gave me great advice regarding whether I should = make the Memorial Day Ride or not. As you know, I didn't make it. As a = beginner rider, I decided the weather wasn't primo for my debut! But = just wanted to say thanks to everyone who introduced themselves and gave = me great advice. I can't wait to meet you all. Good luck with the = whole ticket fiasco! I hate to see b.s. stuff like that happen. =20 Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01BFCA6D.062383A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to everyone who gave me great = advice=20 regarding whether I should make the Memorial Day Ride or not.  As = you know,=20 I didn't make it.  As a beginner rider, I decided the weather = wasn't primo=20 for my debut!  But just wanted to say thanks to everyone who = introduced=20 themselves and gave me great advice.  I can't wait to meet you = all. =20 Good luck with the whole ticket fiasco!  I hate to see b.s. stuff = like that=20 happen. 
 
Laura Granato
'99 Suzuki = GS500
------=_NextPart_000_007E_01BFCA6D.062383A0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 19:24:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UNOak11092 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA23599 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 30 May 2000 19:24:27 -0400 Message-ID: <39344D96.6E2FC4F9@cox.rr.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:24:07 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride References: <20000530223540.323.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was position #8 on the blue Suzuki Bandit 1200. I still wonder how the cop decided to pass half the group and ticket the other half? Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 Glenn Braunstein wrote: > Btw - wasn't there 10 of us?? I may be wrong, but > I've seen a couple of you guys write 9, and when we > start talking to lawyers, we'll obviously need to get > our count right. > > >From what I remember (and sorry for forgetting > names...after all, it was my first time meeting all of > you, so I'll do my best!!)...in order of bikes from > front to back.... > 1) Colin > 2) Bryan > 3) The guy I believe on one of the Suzuki Bandits > (weren't there 2??) > 4) One of the 2 Jordans I met > 5) The guy on the EX500 on my left > 6) Me (red 98 VFR 800) > 7) Hugh Caldwell (other red VFR 800) > 8) The guy I think on the other Suzuki Bandit > 9) Can't remember who was here...but I believe there > was someone else back there...sorry if I forgot you! > 10) Gerald Hubbard on the Ducati ST-4 > > Glenn Braunstein > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 19:36:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3507.mail.yahoo.com (web3507.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4UNZpk11300 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000530233537.13801.qmail@web3507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.75] by web3507.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:35:37 PDT Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Draven D'Arc" Subject: Lawyer advice To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey guys, what juristiction issued the tickets? (State, Loudon County Sheriffs Dept, [city?] Police?) also what courthouse are you to appear? When I got into a little trouble in Dewey Beach,Deleware on my bike..."Failure to Stop" the official charge..basically "evading" (Long story - something about the stripper on the back of my bike "flashing" the authorities and not wanting to witness the consequences...) I was facing up to a year in jail and up to $5000 fine - oops! I called some attorney friends locally asked them to find out who the FORMER prosecutor in that particular juristiction is. Chances are he's either the top defense attorney in the area or knows who is. Worked out okay for me...the attorney cost me $1000 but the charges were reduced to "inattentive driving" (maybe a couple of pts) and a $70 fine. I might be able to ask around if I knew a little more info - I can tell you that many of the smaller town juristictions can carry prejudices when you bring in some "high-falootin" attorney from out of town. Also, definitely go for TRIAL attorneys - ones that spend alot of time in the courthouse instead of attorneys that just want to take your money and tell you what kind of "deal" they can get for you. You may end up cutting some kind of deal to lesser charges but you make that deal at court AFTER you find out if you've got a "Good" Judge or a "Bad" Judge, IF the Cop even shows up, and IF you feel lucky... -Corbett '99 BMW K12RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 19:39:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4UNdCk11310 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.c4.45612fc (663) for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:38:49 EDT Subject: Memorial Day ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Let me start by saying work sucks. I work nights and ended up working until 10AM Monday to fix a broken airplane. Needless to say, I missed the ride and I'm bummed. I hope you guys get out of the tickets! Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 20:40:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4V0eWk12158 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 20:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.8e.5b66fdb (5726) for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 20:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8e.5b66fdb.2665b971@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:40:17 EDT Subject: Re: Lawyer advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 5/30/00 19:40:27 Eastern Daylight Time, draven_darc@XXXXXX writes: > Hey guys, what juristiction issued the tickets? > (State, Loudon County Sheriffs Dept, [city?] Police?) > also what courthouse are you to appear? Issued by State - appearance in Loudoun County court From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 21:05:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4V15gk12542 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 21:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000531010530.23150.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.195] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:05:30 PDT Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: memorial day ride To: Larry Meyer , MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Generally, co-defendants should never be represented by the same attorney (conflict of interest problems)..... one of you rats will roll over on the ringleader and you know it! ;) Seriously though, this case would seem to be an exception to that general rule because there was no wrongdoing witnessed..... --- Larry Meyer wrote: > I'll also try some lawyer-searching, will let you > know what I find. I suspect the lawyer will have a > better idea of whether we > should stay together, but I can't think of why we > wouldn't. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 21:19:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4V1JQk12708 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 21:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.140] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A80E661900F4; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:19:10 +0100 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFCA7C.C0470AE0@2G0UP>; Tue, 30 May 2000 21:19:34 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFCA7C.C0470AE0@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 05/30/00 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:19:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BFCA7C.C04EAC00" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BFCA7C.C04EAC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simple legal question I have here - Do police officers have the = authority to ride/drive outside traffic laws when NOT using their lights = and sirens ? To clarify: Someone from the "slow" group said he saw the police car = "tear assin up the road" - now is the cop permitted to travel at illegal = speeds without use of his lights and siren ? Is that not "unsafe speed" = when he/she is doing it ? Could that be "reckless driving"? ...and - = can someone who disrespects the law to that extent give you/me/anyone a = driving ticket ? I'm just curious...Does anyone know what these guys = are permitted to do?? Niv (who missed the ride because he was too tired to get out of bed when = he saw the road was wet...) 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Tue, 30 May 2000 21:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-198.patriot.net [209.249.180.198]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA25555; Tue, 30 May 2000 21:37:57 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39346BA2.A86E81E0@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:32:18 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ahalan CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/30/00 References: <01BFCA7C.C0470AE0@2G0UP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit simple answer - who has the time and money to legally challange the somewhat *routine* actions of a police offiicer? I'll pass on that, thank you. Bill Ahalan wrote: > Simple legal question I have here - Do police officers have the authority to ride/drive outside traffic laws when NOT using their lights and sirens ? > To clarify: Someone from the "slow" group said he saw the police car "tear assin up the road" - now is the cop permitted to travel at illegal speeds without use of his lights and siren ? Is that not "unsafe speed" when he/she is doing it ? Could that be "reckless driving"? ...and - can someone who disrespects the law to that extent give you/me/anyone a driving ticket ? I'm just curious...Does anyone know what these guys are permitted to do?? > > Niv (who missed the ride because he was too tired to get out of bed when he saw the road was wet...) > F650ST > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 21:47:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4V1l4k13148 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 21:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([24.15.187.164]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:47:41 -0700 Message-ID: <39346EFC.F508E0@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:46:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > 4. Everybody who was not a cop got a ticket for Reckless Driving. Assuming you guys all pulled up to the stop sign two abreast like we commonly do on these group rides, it could be considered "to be abreast of another vehicle" as specified below. "Reckless" is so vague, they can try to make it stick on any number of points. This truly sucks. I wish you guys the best of luck, it sounds like the cop was just hoping for some easy revenue. Serve and Protect - my ass!!! :( Dale http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS116763.HTM § 46.2-857 Driving two abreast in a single lane A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives any motor vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to be abreast of another vehicle in a lane designed for one vehicle, or drives any motor vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to travel abreast of any other vehicle traveling in a lane designed for one vehicle. However, this section shall not apply to any validly authorized parade, motorcade, or motorcycle escort, nor shall it apply to a motor vehicle traveling in the same lane of traffic as a bicycle or moped. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth Feeling blue because the Cap 1000 is history? Then go here! The Mason Dixon 20-20 website: http://MD-20-20.tripod.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 21:47:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4V1lZk13163 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 21:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id c.15.47a210a (4326); Tue, 30 May 2000 21:43:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15.47a210a.2665c841@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:43:29 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Lawyers To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 I understand your thoughts on Lester. ABATE of Maryland cut him off for a couple of years and he has since provided some background on the history of his suits in the interests of his clients...he put his clients first. ABATE of Maryland no longer has a concern with the man or his services. Now, I'm not sure what kind of stuff has enveloped some of the riders in DC Cycles, but if the situation is such that they can afford to insist on politically palatable attorneys, good. The situation ain't serious. On the other hand, when I go into a court room, I want an attorney who will make the Prince of F**king Darkness think twice about pursuing the case. Lester's network specializes in rider issues. They understand the biases, arguments and subtle nuances that cases turn on when riders are involved. Non-riding attorney don't have that perspective. But the choice is yours. Let me know how it turns out. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 22:33:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4V2XUk13745 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 22:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.172.12.226] (helo=chibamonkey.newspeak.org) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12wyJz-00049S-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 30 May 2000 22:33:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000530223038.00b74100@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:31:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re:Bike Lawyers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That's a grand idea. What's the court date?? >Maybe we should organize a DC Cycles ride with a stop at the court house >next month :) > >Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 22:37:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4V2bYk13814 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 22:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.172.12.226] (helo=chibamonkey.newspeak.org) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12wyNs-0005Ch-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 30 May 2000 22:37:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000530223130.00b55640@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:35:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: speeding cops (was RE: digest) In-Reply-To: <01BFCA7C.C0470AE0@2G0UP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cops can basically break any traffic law they want to -- especially speed limits. I'm related to a local county sheriff (by marriage and not Loudon Cty.) and asked him about this once. He told me that -- especially where speed limits are concerned -- whether a cop has lights/noise going or not, the vast majority of traffic laws simply don't apply *in court*. Yes, they are breaking the letter of the law but the spirit of the law doesn't apply -- they could be stalking a suspect, etc. and that's why they don't get in trouble for speeding. --wes (who missed the ride because he woke up at 0700 Monday morning with a wicked head cold that totally sucks a$$ and isn't showing any signs of going away any time soon dammit) At 00:19 31-05-00, Ahalan wrote: >Simple legal question I have here - Do police officers have the authority >to ride/drive outside traffic laws when NOT using their lights and sirens ? >To clarify: Someone from the "slow" group said he saw the police car "tear >assin up the road" - now is the cop permitted to travel at illegal speeds >without use of his lights and siren ? Is that not "unsafe speed" when >he/she is doing it ? Could that be "reckless driving"? ...and - can >someone who disrespects the law to that extent give you/me/anyone a >driving ticket ? I'm just curious...Does anyone know what these guys are >permitted to do?? > > >Niv (who missed the ride because he was too tired to get out of bed when >he saw the road was wet...) >F650ST From dc-cycles-request Tue May 30 23:07:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4V37pk14204 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 23:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-198.patriot.net [209.249.180.198]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02962; Tue, 30 May 2000 23:07:42 -0400 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <393480AC.2A73E53F@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:02:04 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride References: <39346EFC.F508E0@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, and to expand on Niv's inquiry as to the legality of speeding woythout lights and sirens, ever notice how motor cops travel at speed two-abreast? Privalages of the badge, I reckon. Bill who never travels two-abreast unless my riding partner has breasts :-) Dale Horstman wrote: > MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > 4. Everybody who was not a cop got a ticket for Reckless Driving. > > Assuming you guys all pulled up to the stop sign two > abreast like we commonly do on these group rides, it > could be considered "to be abreast of another vehicle" > as specified below. > > "Reckless" is so vague, they can try to make it > stick on any number of points. > > This truly sucks. I wish you guys the best of luck, > it sounds like the cop was just hoping for some easy > revenue. > > Serve and Protect - my ass!!! :( > > Dale > > http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS116763.HTM > > § 46.2-857 > > Driving two abreast in a single lane > > A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives any motor > vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to be abreast of another > vehicle in a lane > designed for one vehicle, or drives any motor vehicle, including any > motorcycle, so as to travel abreast of any other vehicle traveling in a > lane designed > for one vehicle. However, this section shall not apply to any validly > authorized parade, motorcade, or motorcycle escort, nor shall it apply > to a motor > vehicle traveling in the same lane of traffic as a bicycle or moped. > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > Feeling blue because the Cap 1000 is history? Then go here! > The Mason Dixon 20-20 website: http://MD-20-20.tripod.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 01:22:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4V5Mdk16178 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 01:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.a8.5bb616d (4332) for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 01:22:31 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:22:30 EDT Subject: Re: speeding cops (was RE: digest) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Not entirely true... was doing some research on the net last night and found an article in regard to a recent court case where a cop was found guilty of reckless driving *while persuing a running speeder*. Of course, the cop killed one innocent motorist and injured two others... but they did get him for reckless driving... *sigh* - Roach In a message dated 5/30/00 10:39:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wes@XXXXXX writes: << Cops can basically break any traffic law they want to -- especially speed limits. I'm related to a local county sheriff (by marriage and not Loudon Cty.) and asked him about this once. He told me that -- especially where speed limits are concerned -- whether a cop has lights/noise going or not, the vast majority of traffic laws simply don't apply *in court*. Yes, they are breaking the letter of the law but the spirit of the law doesn't apply -- they could be stalking a suspect, etc. and that's why they don't get in trouble for speeding. >> From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 03:09:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4V79Mk17941 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 03:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1cust98.tnt1.phoenix.az.da.uu.net [63.14.172.98] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 31 May 2000 00:08:58 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:08:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bfcacf$10f07ba0$62ac0e3f@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal so it's Okay for an officer to threaten my life by driving in a manor unsafe for the road and conditions, but it's NOT okay for me to go out and threaten my own life in the same way.. gotta love the legal system sometimes... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 07:57:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VBvKk22174 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 07:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Nct001wB40133a (ip133.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.133]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e4VC1GZ49882 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 05:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005311201.e4VC1GZ49882@smtp2.abac.com> X-Sender: dreamer%abac.com@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:57:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm sending along a message that I sent to the VROC list this morning. Maybe someone on DC Cycles will have an idea. Please email if you do and thanks :( ------------------------------------------- Well, I brought my new Nomad Fi home last night and it was a beautiful ride! The bike purrs like a huge lion and bears absolutely no resemblance to the Virago. This bike is HUGE! I was in 7th Heaven last night, looking forward to a couple of hundred miles this afternoon to get used to it. This morning when I went out to ride it to work the clutch level would not engage. The bike would not come out of gear, would not roll. From what I can see there is a micro switch rather than a cable under the clutch lever and although the mechanics of the switch are operating from what I can tell, apparently it's electrical component is not. I'm furious and frustrated! I'm supposed to take this bike on a 2500 mile trip on Sunday and it doesn't even last 50 miles before breaking down? Is there something I'm missing here? Has anyone else had this problem? Are these switches dependable? I left a message at the dealership and will call them again when they open at 9:00. They're good folks and they'll make it right but nothing makes up for not being able to ride the first new motorcycle I've ever bought on the first day I've owned it! If anyone has any ideas please email me. I can't always get to the digests when I'm at work. Thanks :(((( Dawn ___________________________________ Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi, SoulFyre VROC #4411 From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 08:21:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VCL5k22501 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09556 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:01:22 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.9) with SMTP id IAA49630 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:21:03 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568F0.0043D6C2 ; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:20:58 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568F0.0043D3D2.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:20:48 -0400 Subject: 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'm not flaming you, but did you read the owner's manual to see if there's something unique built into the electrical system? I'm sure you tried the usual, made sure the kill switch is turned on, ignition is on etc.... Does this bike have a kill switch built into the kickstand? I think some of the new bikes have a switch that prevents you from stating the bike or putting it in gear with the stand down. Since you have the bike in gear, you may have to raise the stand before you can engage the clutch. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 05/31/2000 08:15 AM --------------------------- "Dawn G.T. Gibson" on 05/31/2000 07:57:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi I'm sending along a message that I sent to the VROC list this morning. Maybe someone on DC Cycles will have an idea. Please email if you do and thanks :( ------------------------------------------- Well, I brought my new Nomad Fi home last night and it was a beautiful ride! The bike purrs like a huge lion and bears absolutely no resemblance to the Virago. This bike is HUGE! I was in 7th Heaven last night, looking forward to a couple of hundred miles this afternoon to get used to it. This morning when I went out to ride it to work the clutch level would not engage. The bike would not come out of gear, would not roll. From what I can see there is a micro switch rather than a cable under the clutch lever and although the mechanics of the switch are operating from what I can tell, apparently it's electrical component is not. I'm furious and frustrated! I'm supposed to take this bike on a 2500 mile trip on Sunday and it doesn't even last 50 miles before breaking down? Is there something I'm missing here? Has anyone else had this problem? Are these switches dependable? I left a message at the dealership and will call them again when they open at 9:00. They're good folks and they'll make it right but nothing makes up for not being able to ride the first new motorcycle I've ever bought on the first day I've owned it! If anyone has any ideas please email me. I can't always get to the digests when I'm at work. Thanks :(((( Dawn ___________________________________ Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi, SoulFyre VROC #4411 From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 08:22:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VCMmk22511 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22393; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ac01bfcafb$0bf152b0$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: WERA at Summit 6/10-11 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:23:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 OK, this is a 'Vintage' weekend at Summit, and I think I have the races I can enter figured out for Sunday (D super, C prod, Form 2, LW Twins), but I don't have a clue about Saturday. Is Sat. just for the vintage folks? What about practice on Saturday? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. New and still trying to figure it out... Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA www.onewayracing.org WERA & CCS Amateur # 903 Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591, http://209.143.154.97/~dthompso//Index.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 08:58:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VCwjk23078 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-36.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FVF008KYDCFJJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:58:40 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: WERA at Summit 6/10-11 To: DC Cycles Cc: Danny Thompson Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <39350C7E.2A3BD61C@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: <00ac01bfcafb$0bf152b0$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> Hey Danny, You can enter HW Twins as well. On Saturday you can do the Lightweight Solo (the long race). Randy Moran WERA #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Danny Thompson wrote: > OK, this is a 'Vintage' weekend at Summit, and I think I have the races I > can enter figured out for Sunday (D super, C prod, Form 2, LW Twins), but I > don't have a clue about Saturday. Is Sat. just for the vintage folks? What > about practice on Saturday? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in > advance. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 09:13:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4VDDTk23471 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000531131304.9186.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.7] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 31 May 2000 06:13:04 PDT Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:13:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Michael J, and all that got the Reckless tickets. I told Bryan, Collin and a few others about a friend of mine which has defended many Reckless tickets in VA, most of them in Fairfax/Loundon, etc. He lives in Loundon, his father is a judge there and he has defended several list members including the guy who was doing 130 on I-66 about a year ago. Give him a call, he always seems to do a good job with these types of things. His info is: Carleton Penn (703) 591-4901 Glenn --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > For those involved who are interested. > > I've set up an AOL screen name "loudoun690" to act > as a manual newsgroup. > > If you want a relatively secure place to drop an > e-mail this is it. > > I would appreciate the names, addresses, phone > numbers, e-mail addresses and > bike type (so I can put a face with the bike - I'm > REALLY bad this way :-( ) > of the participants at the enforced rest stop. > > I'll forward all messages received to the group at > least once per day - > > Not being paranoid here, but keep the content away > from discussion of the > particulars of the day. You may also want to > investigate using PGP to > maintain the privacy of any descriptive prose. > > For those who want the particulars... > > We turned onto 609 northbound out of Hillsboro. The > lead bikes were running > at the speed limit +/- a (very) few. We were on a > downhill right hander when > an unmarked state cop (with fore and aft radar) > passed us going the other > way. This was within the first 1/4 mile or so. > > We got to the "T" intersertion of 690 and 673 and > stopped to wait for the > rest of the group. Well after we had stopped, the > state cop came over the > last rise with lights and sound effects, and the > rest, as they say, is > history. > > The facts are: > > 1. The cop saw us at the start of the road doing the > speed limit. > > 2. Something caused him to turn around come after > us. What, we don't know (at > this time) > > 3. The next time he saw us we were stopped. He told > one of the group members > that he had neither a radar reading nor a paced > reading. > > 4. Everybody who was not a cop got a ticket for > Reckless Driving. > > Ultimately, the only times this particular minion of > the law saw us, we were > well within the law. > > This is as I recall it. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 10:55:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net (relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net [38.9.152.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VEtuk25823 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 12x9uR-00026H-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:55:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:54 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: tickets Message-ID: <20000531105204146-40ca8c4@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think Brian's description of what was done to Bill Huson applies even better here violation w/out any of the niceties. as the saying goes "That is a crock of shit and it doth stink royally" I am just stunned this is outrageous I hope by the time this is all said and done you guys get off scott free with an apology from this pin-headed jerk of a cop. I just can't wait to hear what the justification is for this if he had no radar or paced reading. This is clown is a detriment to the image of the many reasonable LEOs out there. good luck! rob - 96vfr From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 11:27:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4VFRGk26396 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA25095; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:25:53 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017930; Wed, 31 May 00 10:52:09 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FVF00D32IPHFN@XXXXXX>; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 852568F0.0051A4B6 ; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:51:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:51:09 -0400 Subject: Re: advice needed To: Morris Berman Cc: Dale Horstman , LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852568F0.0051882F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Yea, really! I've been thinking of re-hosting my infoamous "church tour" ... perhaps some of the older listers remember that fiasco, er meandering ride. :-) --chris Morris Berman on 05/26/2000 07:50:35 AM To: Dale Horstman cc: LAURA GRANATO dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advice needed Come on Dale, DC-Cycles rides never make U-turns, wrong turns or suddent stops. Be careful or you'll give people the wrong impression. ;-) On Thu, 25 May 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > Still, on group rides, even though there will probably be > a self-designated slow group present, sometimes folks will > get strung out, make sudden stops, wrong turns, have to > make u-turns, or pull over on narrow gravel shoulders to > consult or regroup. And sometimes the slow group makes > it to the next stop before the faster group! :) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 11:47:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VFlMk26682 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:44:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: DC Cycles Subject: Memorial Day spill Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:44:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Okay, here's the one and true story of my memorial day spill... We were cruising through the back roads of Middleburg (I think). Very winding blacktop, no shoulders, lotta fun. I was in the back of the pack, behind Kurt on his VFR 750, and ahead of Corbett on his Beemer. We were heading into a downhill left-hand corner, and I was right at the edge of my comfort level, maybe a little beyond it, considering I didn't have a clue about what the road was doing. It was great conditions, and I was enjoying pushing myself. Part 1 (the mistakes) Anyway, I start to lean into the corner, and suddenly realize that I'm going faster than the vfr in front of me. Fast enough to possible collide in the corner (at least that's what I thought). shit. So I stand the bike up, and scrub off some speed. Then I throw it back down, not by doing anything as intelligent as, say, counter-steering. No, I simply try to muscle the 500 pound bike over. It didn't get over far enough. Then I watched as the front tire ran out of pavement. Current speed? Somewhere between 15 and 25, I guess, not sure at all. Part 2 (the accident) The front tire washed out rather quickly, and the bike dropped out from under me. I flew, like a very large overweight superman, over the handle bars. My left thigh, right above the knee, impacted on the handlebars on the way by (a swollen bruise larger than the traditional grapefruit. Looks like someone wailed on me with a bat). My left hand, still thinking it was holding onto the handlebars, impacted the pavement in the shape of an unclenched fist. The leather gloves did their job, but they slid enough to allow the skin on the inmost joints of my two middle fingers to split rather deeply (probably shoulda gotten stitches for them). The left hand is now swollen to twice its normal thickness, and all the fingers and the palm are mostly one big bruise. My right hand landed in dirt and is fine. My shoulders cushioned some of the impact, and are extremely sore right now. My head was turned to the right, and the left side of the helmet is chipped where it caught the edge of the road. The rest of me then hit the ground, and I tumble for a few feet. When I came to a stop, I stood up, made sure everything was still working, and got extremely pissed at myself. The magna was lying in a ditch, still running (? I think ?), but Brian had already dismounted and turned it off. It had landed on its left side, bending the left handlebar all the way back, which broke the windshield in half. It had also cracked the left front turn signal stalk. Part 3 (roadside recovery) Brian made sure I was alright, and with the help of a friendly motorist, pulled the bike outa the ditch. Corbett was up the road warning traffic. I was standing around, bleeding from my hand, and being basically braindead and angry. Brian and Corbett suggested I remove my wedding ring before my hand swelled too much, which was excellent advice, but still sucked. Bryan and Colin eventually rolled up, my handlebar was straightened (once I remembered I actually had my toolkit), I wrapped paper towels around my fingers, put my winter mittens on, and then we rode on to Middleburgh, which was damn close. Part 4 (buh-bye) I bought Betadine and band aids in the Safeway, and Leon was cool enough to escort me back all the way to my house. It wasn't necessary, but it was appreciated. Thanks. My wife was out of the house before I had gotten off of my bike, realizing that there was only one reason I'd be home so soon. I'm grounded for at least two weeks, probably longer. (I told her that it was all part of my nefarious plan to prove to her that crashing was no big deal, but she didn't buy it.) Part 5 (what I did wrong) 1. Pushing my comfort level on a road I didn't know 2. Not paying attention to all the factors, especially the rider in front of me 3. Not counter steering 4. Watching the front tire ride into the dirt, and not where I wanted it to go 5. Assuming that because I'm vaguely competent at commuting, I've got a clue in the turns. (avoiding any of which would have helped to avoid the accident) Part 6 (the cost) windshield $55 turn signal stalk $75 (?) (or simply more tape to match the other side) helmet $200 - 300 (maybe a Nolan or an RF800) My wife's piece of mind? Priceless also, I think the front fork may be partially misalligned, but not sure about that. I'll probably be posting questions about that in a few weeks... Anyway, thanks to everyone, especially Brian, Corbett, and Leon, and my apologies to those that I inconvenienced, or caused to worry. And a big apology to Kurt, to whom I said some inappropriate, inaccurate, and basically wrong things when he came up to me in the parking lot after the accident. The accident was my fault. Period. -Mark Petty, '83 V65 Magna "Weedeater" From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 13:32:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4VHWBk28436 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:32:27 -0700 Message-ID: <39355A87.93274A63@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:31:35 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: Morris Berman , LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advice needed References: <852568F0.0051882F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yea, really! I've been thinking of re-hosting my infoamous "church tour" ... > perhaps some of the older listers remember that fiasco, er meandering ride. :-) > > --chris :-) Oh yeah, we remember.... :-) Actually, wasn't it you, Chris, who hosted ride in the heart of DC itself a couple of years ago? I seem to recall we got in a bit of a flame war as to "why?", but I'd be willing to go on that ride now, as some of my big-city shyness is wearing off... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 13:47:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4VHlNk28822 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA04348; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:45:58 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma001316; Wed, 31 May 00 13:16:14 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FVF002Q7PDOF9@XXXXXX>; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 852568F0.005ED779 ; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:15:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:15:11 -0400 Subject: Re: advice needed To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852568F0.005EB5F2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Yep that was me that hosted the downtown ride. It came about as a result of your "comments" that the district was the devil ... :-) Hopefully that ride changed your mind a bit. Would be happy to do it again, I think I still have the original ride sheets in my MC drawer at home. --chris Dale Horstman on 05/31/2000 02:31:35 PM To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@Americas-US cc: Morris Berman LAURA GRANATO dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advice needed christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yea, really! I've been thinking of re-hosting my infoamous "church tour" ... > perhaps some of the older listers remember that fiasco, er meandering ride. :-) > > --chris :-) Oh yeah, we remember.... :-) Actually, wasn't it you, Chris, who hosted ride in the heart of DC itself a couple of years ago? I seem to recall we got in a bit of a flame war as to "why?", but I'd be willing to go on that ride now, as some of my big-city shyness is wearing off... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 14:00:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VI02k29166 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id v.3a.5ceffd5 (2722); Wed, 31 May 2000 13:59:47 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3a.5ceffd5.2666ad13@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:59:47 EDT Subject: Re: advice needed To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Sounds like fun. I live in downtown DC and don't ride much around here because I don't have anyone to tear up the town with. Let me know if you decide to do it. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 31 May 2000 1:49:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: << Yep that was me that hosted the downtown ride. It came about as a result of your "comments" that the district was the devil ... :-) Hopefully that ride changed your mind a bit. Would be happy to do it again, I think I still have the original ride sheets in my MC drawer at home. --chris Dale Horstman on 05/31/2000 02:31:35 PM To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@Americas-US cc: Morris Berman LAURA GRANATO dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advice needed christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yea, really! I've been thinking of re-hosting my infoamous "church tour" ... > perhaps some of the older listers remember that fiasco, er meandering ride. :-) > > --chris :-) Oh yeah, we remember.... :-) Actually, wasn't it you, Chris, who hosted ride in the heart of DC itself a couple of years ago? I seem to recall we got in a bit of a flame war as to "why?", but I'd be willing to go on that ride now, as some of my big-city shyness is wearing off... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 14:12:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VICPk29391 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:12:01 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062B52@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Subject: RE: advice needed Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:06:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I love riding in DC. Last night went into town via Memorial Bridge, up Rock Creek Pkwy to Calvert. Over Connecticut to Adams Morgan. Then down 18th St right though the AM strip to Florida, then U St to Chi Chas for some drinks with friends. Parked the bike in front of Chi Chas open doors and listened to Brazillian jazz while gazing, one eye on my VFR, the other on my girlfriend. Ah, that is the life (-: Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [SMTP:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 2:00 PM > To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; horkster@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: advice needed > > Sounds like fun. I live in downtown DC and don't ride much around here > because I don't have anyone to tear up the town with. Let me know if you > decide to do it. > > Scooter > > In a message dated Wed, 31 May 2000 1:49:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > writes: > > << > > Yep that was me that hosted the downtown ride. It came about as a result > of > your "comments" that the district was the devil ... :-) > > Hopefully that ride changed your mind a bit. Would be happy to do it > again, I > think I still have the original ride sheets in my MC drawer at home. > > --chris > > > > > > Dale Horstman on 05/31/2000 02:31:35 PM > > > > > > To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@Americas-US > cc: Morris Berman > LAURA GRANATO > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: advice needed > > > > christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Yea, really! I've been thinking of re-hosting my infoamous "church > tour" ... > > perhaps some of the older listers remember that fiasco, er meandering > ride. > :-) > > > > --chris > > :-) Oh yeah, we remember.... :-) > > Actually, wasn't it you, Chris, who hosted ride in the > heart of DC itself a couple of years ago? I seem to recall > we got in a bit of a flame war as to "why?", but I'd be > willing to go on that ride now, as some of my big-city shyness > is wearing off... :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. > Any > review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > > >> > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 14:15:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VIFvk29459 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12xD0d-0007Mt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:14:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: amusing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Saw this at cruel.com and thought the list might find it amusing. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame2.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 14:20:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VIK8k29535 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA18187; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000531141936.00a19230@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:19:58 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , christopher.meier@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: advice needed Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062B52@QSI_TYSONS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree, usually the ONLY way I'll go into DC, especially the more crowded areas like Adams Morgan, is on the bike. There's no way to find parking otherwise! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.girlbiker.com At 02:06 PM 5/31/00 -0400, Mark Kitchell wrote: >I love riding in DC. Last night went into town via Memorial Bridge, up Rock >Creek Pkwy to Calvert. Over Connecticut to Adams Morgan. Then down 18th St >right though the AM strip to Florida, then U St to Chi Chas for some drinks >with friends. Parked the bike in front of Chi Chas open doors and listened >to Brazillian jazz while gazing, one eye on my VFR, the other on my >girlfriend. > >Ah, that is the life (-: > >Mark > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 14:27:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VIRmk29641 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-23.s23.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.23]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12xDDV-0003Zg-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:27:45 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: off topic: cage windshield & inspenction - maryland Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:24:16 GMT Message-ID: <39378258.1062530496@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e4VIRqk29642 I need to put my mothers car through maryland inspection, anyone know of a good place to go? It should pass inspection with the exception of two minor (fresh) chips in the windshield. Which leads me to my next question, anyone know of a good place to go to get that repaired? also the window has a scrape as if the wiper came off. Anyone know if that will cause it to fail maryland inspection? any guidance woudl be appreciated, thanks Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 14:28:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VISUk29653 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:28:09 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062B54@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Jeannette Zell'" , Mark Kitchell , "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Subject: RE: advice needed Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:22:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain The only problem is the alcohol factor. About 2-3 drinks over a 4-5 hour period is safe enough I guess, but there is always that temptation. Thats why I have friends in the district I guess. mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [SMTP:jzell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 2:20 PM > To: Mark Kitchell; 'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'; > christopher.meier@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; horkster@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: advice needed > > I agree, usually the ONLY way I'll go into DC, especially the more crowded > areas like Adams Morgan, is on the bike. There's no way to find parking > otherwise! : ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.girlbiker.com > > At 02:06 PM 5/31/00 -0400, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >I love riding in DC. Last night went into town via Memorial Bridge, up > Rock > >Creek Pkwy to Calvert. Over Connecticut to Adams Morgan. Then down 18th > St > >right though the AM strip to Florida, then U St to Chi Chas for some > drinks > >with friends. Parked the bike in front of Chi Chas open doors and > listened > >to Brazillian jazz while gazing, one eye on my VFR, the other on my > >girlfriend. > > > >Ah, that is the life (-: > > > >Mark > > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 14:51:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4VIpak00476 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000531185128.3189.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:51:28 PDT Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: 97 GSXR problems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I race one of these bikes, so I am pretty familiar with it. AT first description, it almost sounded like an overtightened chain. That will cause a clicking/ticking noise as the chain *pops* off of the gear teeth. However, since you said it does it at idle too, it's obviously not that... I would check what Chris Weaver mentioned. 96-99 GSXR 750's are very very very notorious for the cam chain tensioners failing. The 99's had a recall on this I believe, but they didn't apply it to 96-98 for some weird reason even though hundreds of folks had been having the problem with it. You can check this by manually adjusting the cam chain tensioner. If it is indeed the problem, you can buy an aftermarket manual adjuster dirt cheap just about anywhere. Also, check your valve clearances. If they are a good amount out of adjustment, it could be a source for strange noises (and in extreme case, could be slapping the piston domes a bit..bad!!) Suzuki motors are about the noisiest bike engines out there, so you may just be hearing the normal rattles and buzzes from the motors. If it is indeed in the transmission, which is highly unlikely (new suzi trannies are pretty much the best out there), it is indeed an expensive job since the motor cases have to be split open. Here you have two options. Option number one is to just buy a replacement used motor (then sell me the broke one cheap ;-)) You can usually find a good used one for $700-$1200 depending on how hard you look and time of year. Or you can have the tranny fixed. Actual parts on the job are usually less than $100, but they nail you with the labor. It's a super easy motor to get out of the frame, so you could save lots of money by bringing in the motor only. Also, shop around. If you're willing to drive a bit, Speedwerks in Camden, DE will surely be a LOT cheaper than the prices you qouted, and I have heard nothing but top praise from numerous folks who use them. I think it's a 2-3 hour drive from DC??? maybe less. Brian Roach or one of the other lightweight racers can give you contact info for them. Also, if it IS the tranny, it would most likely be isolated to one gear... usually 2nd on suzukis (plenty of personal experience on this one). With all that you've described, including noise in neutral, my bets are on one of the other problems, not the tranny. Collin Brent wrote: > Subject: Transmission problem > > I have a 1997 suzuki Gsxr-750. The bike has 4,000 miles, never been > raced, > completely stock until a slip on a week ago. Owned by a 35 year old man > with > 15 years of experience, so i dont think he was hole shotting it or > wheelying > it. But when the bike gets warm and i am riding it makes a fast clicking > noise, and its coming from the transmission/clutch area. I have shops > telling me its a chipped tooth, or something along those lines. If it is > this, the job will cost 1500-2000 dollars. This is obsurd for a 97 gixxer > to > be doing this, with only 4,000 miles. If anyone has any insight i would greatly appeciate it. > Oh > and the bike shifts and rides perfect, never slipped out of gear or any of > > that. Thanks, brent ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 15:08:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4VJ8kk00706 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1cust91.tnt6.phoenix.az.da.uu.net [63.14.198.91] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:07:20 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: DC ride.. Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:07:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bfcb33$6dbce5d0$5bc60e3f@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal I remember that ride.. I'd only been in MD for about 4 months, and that city scared the bejesus outta me (I grew up in Wyoming.. you know, half a million people in the 5th largest state?).. esp. since there were circles and diagonal roads and .. *shiver*, was just a frightening thought.. But it was a nice ride - I got to see the city in a different way (I still remember and like the statue that was coming out of the ground - even if we did have to traverse a lake to get to it..) Something any level of rider can do because it's about sightseeing the city, not blitzing corners on backroads... Wish I could be there to do it again, but it's not going to happen.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 19:39:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4VNdEk05695 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.66.41ff6f8 (6932) for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.41ff6f8.2666fc8e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:38:54 EDT Subject: A Question for the racers... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 A recent topic has come up on the Moto Guzzi list and nobody seems to have a definite answer, so I thought maybe I could get and answer from those in the know. What are your recommendations as far as braking in turns? Specifically trailing the rear brake vs. use of the front brake while leaned over. Also, some say that it's better to lean further over and add more throttle than use the rear brake. Along the same lines, some say it's not necessary to trail the brake and should only be used by more experienced riders after some practice. Any thoughts? Note: alot of Guzzi models have linked brakes, so that complicates the situation some I think. TIA. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 21:06:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5116lk06908 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.22.6846a02 (4000); Wed, 31 May 2000 21:06:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <22.6846a02.26671113@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:06:27 EDT Subject: Re: A Question for the racers... To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/31/00 7:41:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << Along the same lines, some say it's not necessary to trail the brake and should only be used by more experienced riders after some practice. >> Very bad topic, very bad. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 22:10:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e512Aik07796 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 22:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 2.78.5f701fa (4544) for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 22:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <78.5f701fa.26672014@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:10:28 EDT Subject: Re: A Question for the racers... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 5/31/00 9:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > Very bad topic, very bad. > Considering the varied topics that get posted, I figured this would be widely accepted and argued to the point of a flame war. ;) Rob Note: This message may contain sarcasm. If you can't take sarcasm, please disregard this message and get a life. :) From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 22:11:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3206.mail.yahoo.com (web3206.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e512BGk07806 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 22:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000601021108.17113.qmail@web3206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.188.45.19] by web3206.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:11:08 PDT Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:11:08 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: Re: A Question for the racers.../braking technique To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would reccomend the Kieth Code books for a reliable answer. We all have our braking styles and preferences, most of which I would bet are not optimal - mine included. Any thoughts? Note: alot of Guzzi models > have linked brakes, so > that complicates the situation some I think. TIA. > > Rob VanSlyke > 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" > ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 22:36:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e512aZk08225 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id a.a2.51542cd (3991); Wed, 31 May 2000 22:36:20 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:36:20 EDT Subject: Hit deer-fell down--final chapter To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 So,I picked up a check from the insurance company and immediately gave it to the Moto Guzzi dealer as down payment on a new '99 Bassa. Pick it up tomorrow. Which means my beloved Night Hawk will be for sale cheap. It is still perfectly rideable--been riding for a month since the Bambi encounter. Damage was only cosmetic. Anyone interested in a 95 750 NH with some scratches e-mail me. Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 23:01:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from typhoon.ocis.temple.edu (rgellman@XXXXXX [155.247.166.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e51317k08634 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rgellman@localhost) by typhoon.ocis.temple.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19363; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:00:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Russell X-Sender: rgellman@XXXXXX To: cb-750@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [cb-750] Hit deer-fell down--final chapter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How much? -R _______________________________________________________________________________ A smart man learns from his mistakes, A wise man learns from the mistakes of others A great many truths are said in jest _______________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 31 May 2000 mckeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > So,I picked up a check from the insurance company and immediately gave it to > the Moto Guzzi dealer as down payment on a new '99 Bassa. Pick it up > tomorrow. > > Which means my beloved Night Hawk will be for sale cheap. It is still > perfectly rideable--been riding for a month since the Bambi encounter. Damage > was only cosmetic. Anyone interested in a 95 750 NH with some scratches > e-mail me. > > Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/5/_/3869/_/959826985/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe send Email to: > > cb-750-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > Website: http://www.egroups.com/group/cb-750/info.html > > The SECRET to getting FREE MONEY off the Internet: > > http://www.alladvantage.com/home.asp?refid=EDY652 > From dc-cycles-request Wed May 31 23:02:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5132Qk08644 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12238; Wed, 31 May 2000 22:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Mark Petty cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Memorial Day spill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 May 2000, Mark Petty wrote: > My wife was out of the house before I had gotten off of my bike, > realizing that there was only one reason I'd be home so soon. I'm > grounded for at least two weeks, probably longer. (I told her that it > was all part of my nefarious plan to prove to her that crashing was no > big deal, but she didn't buy it.) Knowing said wife, I'd say you got off easy with 2 weeks. :) Hope you heal fast. Remember, I'm living vicariously through you while I'm laid up with my purple cast this summer. :) Shannon