From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 01:50:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27644 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03890 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18816 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA03306; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:51:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:50:58 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stator cover removal In-Reply-To: <3381965d.36d9d327@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (1) Be sure all the cover bolts are removed: sometimes they're hard to see when they're on the underside and covered with grunge. And with some bikes (don't remember about your model) one or two stator case bolts are under the sprocket cover case---totally out of sight. (2) Be careful prying: if you gouge or chip one of the mating surfaces you will create an oil leak that might be hard to plug. Might try using a rawhide or other soft-face hammer---but not too hard. You can still break a case with one. --garcia On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello all. Just wondering if I can get some advice. My stator is dead and I > have a new one to replace it with. The problem I'm having is removing ths > cover on the left side of the engine to get to the stator. There are two tiny > tabs, one of which is barely accessible due to the cooling pipes, and the > other I can get a screwdriver on from the other side and tap with a hammer. I > don't seem to be getting anywhere with it and am going thru serious bike > withdrawal. And I can't work on it during the week. Yuck. I want to avoid > taking it to the dealer because I have it all the way apart except for the > cover. Any ideas? Anything at all would be a help!! Thanks in advance!! > > Robert "cagin it again" VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 "Black (-out) Wolf" > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 08:24:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04886 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07519 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (known alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21679 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA26032 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE63BC.DA66E350@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Calling Art Crow Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:23:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Art, Would mind dropping me a line? I need to ask you a couple of quick questions. TIA. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 08:56:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05405 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ACA220C501C2; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:56:50 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990301085538.018b2010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:56:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: VTR Inspection In-Reply-To: <85256726.001FB9C6.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:47 AM 2/28/99 , Dsislen@XXXXXX wrote: > Took her out to Cycles USA last week for >the >safety inspection, and to my astonishment, the bike failed inspection! Why? >Because I had replaced the rear fender with a Taillocker (i.e. an aftermarket >fender eliminator). What was illegal about it? Not enough fender coverage? Turn signals not separated far enough? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 09:44:49 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06175 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:43:41 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:43:33 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:46:20 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: Turnip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kawasaki Drifter -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline 'Course, this is all just my opinion . . . The Zephyr I was talking about was the ZR 1100. Next to the tough, brutal-looking CB 1000, the big ZR looked kinda like Plain Jane. Especially in Burgundy. Burgundy is for Buicks. Or Pizza. Joe >>> "Hugh A. Caldwell" - 2/26/99 5:37 PM >>> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, JOE NAGY wrote: > A few years ago, the Kawi Zephyr and the Honda CB-1 were big standards > that failed miserably in the market. THE KAWI LOOKED BORING, and the Hrrrrm, It seems you must of confused the Zephyr with the Nighthawk as all I right think people realize that the ZR750 is drop dead gorgeous ! Thank you for your time, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 09:52:23 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06363 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:51:30 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:51:26 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:54:09 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bike.dealer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki Drifter -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Thanks, I'll wait for the US tests. And I really hope that Kawi didn't screw up that motor too much. Why the Japanese feel they have to de-nut their engines to put them in standard bikes is beyond me. This was a prob with the CB 1000 too. What, are we gonna get blown off the back? Joe >>> - 2/26/99 4:00 PM >>> One of the British bike magazines had a head-to-head shootout between the two a couple of months ago. The conclusion seemed to be that the Bandit was more fun - i.e. more wheeliable, etc. The ZRX had some good points that they mentioned too, but my memory's vague. Sorry I don't remember too many of the specifics, but I can try to find the article for you if you're really interested. Chris weaver Well, this late-thirties white guy thinks its "da Shit" too. I was tempted by the Bandit, but the ZRX's stying is all over the Suzook. Any idea of how they match up performance-wise? Joe >>> Bikes R Us - 2/26/99 10:14 AM >>> Judging from the types of people who've shown interest in the ZRX, I'd say your thinking was right on target. The brochure shows a guy in his late thirties or so sitting astride the ZRX. He fits the profile of almost every guy who's considered the ZRX. The exception would be the black guys. Lots of black guys think the ZRX is the "shit." JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:58:38 -0500 JOE NAGY writes: >I think ZRX lust is directly related to one's memories of the early >days >of AMA Superbike racing, when men were men and Superbikes were 1000cc >of >ill-handling terror. > >Joe > >>>> "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> - 2/25/99 3:36 PM >>> >They had a ZRX a month or two ago... think it was before the NYC moto >show >even. Don't know if it's still there. Doesn't do a thing for me, >though... >I'll be keeping the GPZ! :-) > >Anita > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JOE NAGY [mailto:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 2:48 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; bike.dealer@XXXXXX >> Subject: Kawasaki Drifter -Reply >> >> >> Ahhhhh . . . no thanks. Lemme know when the ZRX shows up. >> >> Joe >> '85 Ninja 900 >> >> >>> Bikes R Us - 2/25/99 2:18 PM >>> >> So the Drifter just blew into town (woo-ee-oo-ee-oo, waa-WAA-waa...) >if >> anyone would like to come out and see one. >> >> JohnDavid@Bikes R Us >> ps. Where is everyone anyway? >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >> or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:13:05 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10089 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:12:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'Dsislen@XXXXXX'" Subject: MD motorcycle inspections Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:12:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Dave Dsislen@XXXXXX I've been advised to find a gas station which might be a bit more lenient in their inspection. Anyone know any gas stations that handle MD motorcycle inspections in the area? The Exxon at Old Georgetown and Democracy does (Did?) MC inspections Check with local shops (not dealers) for recommendations IIRC, in the past few months someone posted a review of local shops (or was that on a web page?) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:18:33 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10187 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Flame Fest Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:17:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Better than flaming; I sent the "make your wish come true" back to many on the cc list and received this response: "It's one thing to send it to me, but quite another to send to people who are in the original message in the first place! You should never use the CC addresses in the original message, because they already received a copy of it. Now you put them in the position that I have now put you in... you'll have to resend to 10 other people now to make it come true, or else it will do the opposite. I think that's only fair, since you've now done it to me." To which I replied "Oh No 10 more" Bwahahaha, H.L Mencken must be chuckling. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:40:16 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10603 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10HXat-0000ia-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:39:07 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22495 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NHY6Z>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:44:59 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7DA@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Honda Hoot Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:44:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone ever been to a Honda Hoot? What was the experience like? Was it worth going? Was it well run? What about lodging or camping? Anything else? I am kicking around the idea of going to this years in June but have never been to one or talked with anyone who has attended one in the past. TIA, Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:40:14 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10600 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:39:58 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: weather.. Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:37:08 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) yuck.. http://www.weather.com is calling for snow in the AM on Thursday morning... sheesh, I thought it was spring already... Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:40:44 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10619 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'jckozyn@XXXXXX'" Subject: Machine shop? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain John C. Kozyn, asked, "Does anyone know of a competent local machine shop that could manufacture two small aluminum brackets? (I want to mount a set of Tenzo halogen driving lights to the front brake caliper mounting bolts of a 95 VFR.)" Unless you have something complicated in mind, you can quickly craft simple brackets from aluminum alloy bar stock such as that sold at Home Depot or Lowes. I made brackets for my Pilot driving lights from 1" x 1/8 in stock as follows: Figger out length of bar(s) needed, mark Cut it with a hack saw Mark & drill mounting holes Mark where bend desired Set a piece in a vice (insulated with wood scrap-have bucket or hose ready to put out fire). Use a propane torch, heat at mark while keeping pressure on the piece until it bends. Put out fire -DON'T touch the bent piece until it cools a bit. Repeat for next bracket File - sand rough edges, promise self to polish and spray with clear coat one day. Carl in Bethesda 85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; FOM #3, AMA 676120 "Loud shirts save lives." Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:41:33 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10629 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF3B312B0134; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:40:59 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990301134438.0190b110@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:45:36 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Flame Fest In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:17 PM 3/1/99 , Custer, Carl wrote: >"It's one thing to send it to me, but quite another to send to people who >are in the original message in the first place! You should never use >the CC addresses in the original message, because they already received >a copy of it That wasn't explicitly stated in the original message, was it? Oh no! >To which I replied "Oh No 10 more" >Bwahahaha, H.L Mencken must be chuckling. And P.T. Barnum. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:53:23 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10907 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA16224; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:51:45 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990301185134.TNX20734@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:51:34 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: Flame Fest Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:49:47 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01be6414$4761d530$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Heh, heh, heh? You should have just resent it again to her. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 1:18 PM > To: 'DCCy' > Subject: Flame Fest > > > Better than flaming; I sent the "make your wish come true" back to many on > the cc list and received this response: > "It's one thing to send it to me, but quite another to send to people who > are in the original message in the first place! You should never use > the CC addresses in the original message, because they already received > a copy of it. Now you put them in the position that I have now put you > in... you'll have to resend to 10 other people now to make it come true, > or else it will do the opposite. I think that's only fair, since you've > now done it to me." > > To which I replied "Oh No 10 more" > Bwahahaha, H.L Mencken must be chuckling. > > Carl in Bethesda > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:59:44 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (www0d.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11072 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5532 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 1999 18:32:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990301183231.5531.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.33 by www0d via web-mailer(R2.6) on Mon Mar 1 18:32:31 GMT 1999 Date: 1 Mar 99 10:32:31 PST From: Linda Tanner To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Honda Hoot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I went to the Hoot in 97 and was mostly disappointed. Evening events all= ended by 9pm (sometimes 8) I guess to cater to the Goldwing crowd ;-). T= he daytime stuff was ok although I went on a mystery sport ride with 400 of = my closest friends. It was a little tough to ride a great road in a group t= hat big. The manufacturers show was closed to the public, so the crowds were= small and easy to deal with, but the show was small as well. I might go again sometime except that the national HSTA event is at the s= ame time (nearly) and will be much better and it's in Ohio this year. Linda T. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) Dave Cross asked: Anyone ever been to a Honda Hoot? What was the experience like? Was it worth going? Was it well run? What about lodging or camping? Anything else? I am kicking around the idea of going to this years in June but have never been to one or talked with anyone who has attended one in the past. ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 14:02:59 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11193 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 231; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:02:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990301140048.02bdb970@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 14:02:07 -0500 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: weather.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:37 PM 3/1/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >yuck.. http://www.weather.com is calling for snow in the AM on Thursday >morning... sheesh, I thought it was spring already... It figures. I decided to reform and become a cold weather rider...nows my chance ;-) Only major cold factor this morning were my upper thighs. The tops (and my fingers) were very cold after about 20 minutes. Fortunately, I only have a 25 minutes ride! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 14:11:25 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11319 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:10:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: Flame Fest Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:10:46 -0500 Sensitivity: Personal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain > Heh, heh, heh? You should have just resent it again to her. > Todd [Carl sez] What I posted to the list was not the entire reply > > To which I replied "Oh No 10 more" > > Bwahahaha, H.L Mencken must be chuckling. Carl in Bethesda: I'm from the gummimint and here to hep ya. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 14:58:52 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12270 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:58:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990301195741.21187.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send1e; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:57:41 PST Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Go figure...Cannondale makes a dirtbike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.cannondale.com/html/motorcycle/intro_mx400.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 15:42:43 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13070 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:42:41 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BXXGa07798; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:40:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:40:15 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Flame Fest Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 LOL and to all the cc's again too ;D marcy In a message dated 3/1/99 1:59:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > Heh, heh, heh? You should have just resent it again to her. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 16:32:44 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14042 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:32:38 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA17704; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:32:16 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002590; Mon, 1 Mar 99 16:00:52 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7X00AMJP1VMX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256727.00731B59 ; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:57:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:57:07 -0500 Subject: Traffic Management To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256727.0072D6A9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Anyone see this little gem in Dr. Gridlock's column? Interesting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kudos to Police In Rush Hour By Ron Shaffer Thursday, February 25, 1999; Page J01 Three cheers for the Maryland State Police! Faced with an obstreperous volunteer firefighter who had closed all lanes of southbound Interstate 95 for a minor traffic accident during Thursday's evening rush hour, the state police ordered two lanes opened immediately. When the fire official objected, he was led away in handcuffs and charged with "obstructing and hindering, disturbing the peace, hindering free passage, and failure to obey a lawful order," and the lanes were opened. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can go here for the full article --> http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/25/079l-022599-idx.h tml --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 18:59:35 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web505.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16810 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:59:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990302000032.20359.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.97.127.172] by web505.yahoomail.com; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:00:32 PST Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Where to Dirt Ride To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For the ultimate LEGAL dirt experience, go on out to the George Washington National Forest and hit the trails that the Northern Virginia Trail Riders help upkeep. When I head out there, I enter the trails in either New Market or a little southwest of Front Royal. Contacting NVTR would probably be the best and first thing to do. Good luck. There are miles of trails to enjoy....also plenty of camping. ---"Custer, Carl" wrote: > > I fixed up a '78 Suzuki DS100 for my grandson. But except for the back yard > and far away places, > (Solomon's Island, Garrett Country, & Pocomoke) I haven't located a legal > place to dirt/trail ride. Any body have suggestions for where to dirt or > trail ride within 50 miles, 100 miles? > Also, the back yard escapades have: > 1) gotten my son-in-law yearning for a dirt bike again, and > 2) me thinking about a dual sport (ahem, just for snow commuting ;^) > Anyone have something collecting dust & rust they'd want to tempt me with? > > Carl Custer in Bethesda > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 19:36:04 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17563 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA19497 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:35:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:35:53 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Junkyards Message-ID: <19990301193552.A19467@cosanostra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR Kind of a dumb question, but does anybody know of any bike junkyards in the area? Preferably pull-it-yourself, but I'll take what I can get...I found baltimore cycle salvage, but I'm hoping there are some others around. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 21:18:49 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19373 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:18:47 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HHQFa07005; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:09:18 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <32b94702.36db484e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:09:18 EST To: ljtanner@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re:Honda Hoot Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I had pretty much decided to go to the Hoot, but after reading your post you have got me thinking. Anybody else got any input? Because of the goofy scheduling I can only go to one of the events. If they had been spaced out a bit I would have gone to both. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 22:08:37 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20210 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust046.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.46]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00976; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:08:17 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990301203129.0069e1cc@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:31:29 -0500 To: "Mike Troutman" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: weather.. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990301140048.02bdb970@mail.wheatintl.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:02 PM 3/1/99 -0500, Mike Troutman wrote: >It figures. I decided to reform and become a cold weather rider...nows my >chance ;-) > I did the semi-annual washing of my winter Aerostich yesterday. I discovered that Goretex keeps the insides of the arms from drying in the dryer. Since the weather was so nice, I wore the summer 'stich today. Spring is here, all the Harley's were headed south on trailers this past weekend. Leon From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 22:59:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21111 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19637 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15712 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3DXGa21771 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:54:18 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:54:18 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Stator cover removed!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Well, it took some work and a combination of alot of tips, but I got it off today!! I had to pry gently on one side and tap with a rubber mallet (borrowed from work) on the other. It's shimmied right off in about 20 minutes using that technique. Now to get the new stator in and on the bike. Ugh.... Robert "airplanes are easier than bikes" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 06:28:56 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc011.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00136 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc011.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:27:00 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263D6B@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Go figure...Cannondale makes a dirtbike Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:25:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) I'm a bit surprised it a four stroke and not a two smoke. Glenn http://www.cannondale.com/html/motorcycle/intro_mx400.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 07:25:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01057 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26065 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19712 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:25:29 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256728.00435224 ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:15:19 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, Askstephen@XXXXXX, names@XXXXXX, bob@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256728.0042EEA7.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:15:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I ran across this on another list. Gary is one wild dude. >>Oh Mama, Rothwell is Nuts Liverpool England, February 24, 1999: Internationally renowned motorcycle stunt rider Gary Rothwell has done it again. Rothwell set five new blistering, and quite insane, world records bringing his total of stunt records to seven. The five new records were set on Monday in England, and consist of the following stunts. 1) World's fastest wheelie: 178.20 mph. 2) World's fastest lying on the bike and steering with feet: 150.29 mph. 3) World's fastest skiing off the side of a motorcycle: 150.26 mph. 4) World's fastest riding backwards: 132.39 mph. (Give me a stinking break!) 5) World's fastest stoppie: 118.12 mph In addition to these World Record stunts, Gary also holds two other records; world's fastest skiing behind a motorcycle: at 150.3 mph, and the world record for the multi-person wheelie set with12 people on board. The guys at Performance Bike photographed these stunts for an upcoming feature in their magazine. Rothwell also videotaped his antics and they will be available this spring for viewing in the privacy of your home. You can see the man, and his lovely wife Joan, perform next week at the MBNA Daytona 200 on Saturday March 6th and Sunday March 7th.<< From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 08:37:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02198 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9A11B6016C; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:37:37 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302081343.017c3780@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:15:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Junkyards In-Reply-To: <19990301193552.A19467@cosanostra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:35 PM 3/1/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: >Kind of a dumb question, but does anybody know of any bike junkyards >in the area? Preferably pull-it-yourself, but I'll take what I can >get...I found baltimore cycle salvage, but I'm hoping there are some >others around. Winding Road Motorcycle Times has ads for them. There's one in Baltimore, Cumberland (MD), Dover (DE), and Norfolk. They pull the parts off themselves, but the advantage is they know what they have. P&F in Dover is wonderful, worth a trip just to see the place, and a great source. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 08:37:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02199 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9981B6016C; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:37:37 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302081630.017cb0d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:17:23 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: weather.. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990301203129.0069e1cc@illuminet.net> References: <4.1.19990301140048.02bdb970@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:31 PM 3/1/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >Spring is here, all the Harley's were headed south on trailers this past >weekend. Bummer. All those broken Harleys. Good thing there's that mechanics' convention in Daytona so they can go there and get their bikes fixed. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 08:37:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02197 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9A01B6016C; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:37:36 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302080750.017c3200@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:09:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Traffic Management In-Reply-To: <85256727.0072D6A9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:57 PM 3/1/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >When the fire official objected, he was led away in >handcuffs >and charged with "obstructing and hindering, disturbing the peace, >hindering free >passage, and failure to obey a lawful order," and the lanes were opened. I read the article in the paper. Wonderful! Apparently this fire official has pulled this sort of stunt before, too. Glad to see there's emphasis on treating the wounded AND letting the thousands of cars in traffic get through. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 08:47:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02416 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26744 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (known smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20810 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10HpV4-0002p4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:46:18 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16757 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NHZAW>; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:52:12 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7DD@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:52:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > 5) World's fastest stoppie: 118.12 mph Usually a stoppie is coming to a complete stop and raising the rear wheel off the ground using the braking power of the front brake. Judging buy the record above this must mean he had the rear wheel off the ground while traveling at 118mph, but how does he get the rear of the ground to do this while moving? I've seen most of his stunts but not this one to me recollection. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 09:19:52 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02981 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:19:50 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA04014; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:20:22 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003772; Tue, 2 Mar 99 09:20:05 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7Z00DMF15WKK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256728.004E7289 ; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:16:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:12:45 -0500 Subject: Honda Daytona Coverage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256728.004E2A39.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL For those interested in Daytona stuff, I received this by email today. I must be on a Honda list somewhere. Chris Weaver ------------------------------- Interested in an all-access pass for the Daytona '99 pits? Well, stay tuned because that's exactly what Honda has in store for you. We'll broadcast straight from our Road Racing and Supercross pits to bring you race updates, highlights, pictures, interviews and much more including a special audio LIVE Q&A with the Honda Racing Team at the HRCA Daytona Banquet. So pull up a chair, log on and spend some time with the Red Riders at Daytona. Check http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/racing/daytona/ on Thursday, March 4th for the beginning of our exclusive Daytona coverage! Plus, don't forget to check our regular weekly race coverage featured at http://www.HondaRedRiders.com! You may receive future mailings announcing special promotions at Honda. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 09:34:35 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03233 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:34:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:34:27 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Usually a stoppie is coming to a complete stop and raising the rear > wheel off the ground using the braking power of the front brake. > Judging buy the record above this must mean he had the rear wheel off > the ground while traveling at 118mph, but how does he get the rear of > the ground to do this while moving? I've seen most of his stunts but > not this one to me recollection. Dave, do you know the physics principals behind doing a stoppie? As you apply pressure to the front brakes, they slow you.. pushing the front tire into the ground, giving you more contact patch and ability to break untill either you stop, or you break the friction. If you grabs the brakes hard, you's more likely to break friction (less weight bais and ability to hold the ground).. BUT, if you break heavily, THEN grab a handfull.. the rear will 'hop' up off the ground (you see it going into T5 ALL the time at Summit).. if you back off slightly, the bike will continue rolling, keeping the rear in the air.. and you have a rolling stoppie. Rothwell initiates his stoppies at, well, as indicated.. 118.12mph - then rides them to 0mph.. quite fun to watch actioally.. probably a bear to learn to do right though... Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 09:50:48 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03580 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA12853; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:50:16 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990302145016.VFMA26495@toddnt>; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:50:16 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Linda Tanner" , Subject: RE: Honda Hoot Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:48:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be64bb$b7b1d720$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19990301183231.5531.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Importance: Normal A couple of things Linda is failing to mention here is that the roads in the Asheville area are fantastic, and that there are a number of things to do and see, either riding or not. A couple of things to see are the Biltmore Estate and Chimney Rock Park. Both things could absorb a day easily. If you're into tourist traps, see how the native Americans have embraced captialism in Cherokee, NC. If nothing else, the ride down the BRP from Asheville is worth it. My advice is to hook up with like minded riders at the event. I didn't realize it at the time, but the last time I was there a bunch of my ST1100 Email buds were also there (must not have been paying attention when they announced it). But if you end up riding solo, do not hesitate to explore the area. Excellent roads. The mystery sport bike ride Linda is talking about takes you up SR151, a road I discovered all by myself. And believe me, it's much better all by yourself :) Todd > > I went to the Hoot in 97 and was mostly disappointed. Evening events all > ended by 9pm (sometimes 8) I guess to cater to the Goldwing crowd > ;-). The > daytime stuff was ok although I went on a mystery sport ride with > 400 of my > closest friends. It was a little tough to ride a great road in a > group that > big. The manufacturers show was closed to the public, so the crowds were > small and easy to deal with, but the show was small as well. > > I might go again sometime except that the national HSTA event is > at the same > time (nearly) and will be much better and it's in Ohio this year. > > Linda T. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) > > Dave Cross asked: > Anyone ever been to a Honda Hoot? What was the experience like? Was it > worth going? Was it well run? What about lodging or camping? Anything > else? > > I am kicking around the idea of going to this years in June but have > never been to one or talked with anyone who has attended one in the > past. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account > today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 09:55:35 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03605 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10HqYi-00052r-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:54:08 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21423 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NHZCQ>; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:00:03 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7DE@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:59:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > will 'hop' up off the ground (you see it going into T5 ALL the time at > Summit).. if you back off slightly, the bike will continue > rolling, keeping > the rear in the air.. and you have a rolling stoppie. > Rothwell initiates > his stoppies at, well, as indicated.. 118.12mph - then rides > them to 0mph.. > quite fun to watch actioally.. probably a bear to learn to do right > though... > I hop my rear tire before T1 and T5 at Summit more often than I should but these are little hops not full stoppies that could be ridden of course. I understand the physics of it I just dont know "how" he does it. I would love to see it. That to me would be the most amazing of his stunts. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 10:02:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03797 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD88290021C; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:02:32 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302100634.017ccc30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:07:45 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:34 AM 3/2/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >118.12mph - then rides them to 0mph.. >quite fun to watch actioally.. probably a bear to learn to do right >though... Wow. I know a few MSF instructors I'd like him to be a "student" for ... should be worth a few heart attacks. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 10:44:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04537 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28457 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23861 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:40:56 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "David Cross" , Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:41:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be64c3$2a664ba0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7DD@bdanet.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the forks. Then the rest of the momentum carries the back of the bike up. Watch some superbike races, and you can frequently see the back ends get an inch or so off the ground when coming into tight turns. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: David Cross [mailto:david@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:52 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell > > > > 5) World's fastest stoppie: 118.12 mph > > Usually a stoppie is coming to a complete stop and raising the rear > wheel off the ground using the braking power of the front brake. > Judging buy the record above this must mean he had the rear wheel off > the ground while traveling at 118mph, but how does he get the rear of > the ground to do this while moving? I've seen most of his stunts but > not this one to me recollection. > > Dave Cross > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 10:58:31 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04863 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:58:25 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:57:17 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) George, if it's so simple, would you care to teach a few of us? > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > > Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the > forks. Then the > rest of the momentum carries the back of the bike up. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 12:20:07 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06505 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10530 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:18:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > George, if it's so simple, would you care to teach a few of us? > > > > Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the > > forks. Then the rest of the momentum carries the back of the bike up. Right! This is like saying, "to play the saxaphone blow into it and move your fingers around". Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 12:31:55 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06776 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23270 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10168AB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:31:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Ahhh..so great to be getting list traffic again...... I'm assuming that we're talking stoppies here?? If you attempt one in the manner that George described, you will most likely lock the front tire before you pull a stoppie...They aren't that easy to do... On Tuesday, March 02, 1999 12:29 PM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > George, if it's so simple, would you care to teach a few of us? > > > > > > Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the > > > forks. Then the rest of the momentum carries the back of the bike up. > > Right! This is like saying, "to play the saxaphone blow into it and move > your fingers around". > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 12:53:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07162 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01119 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27389 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 568 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:52:48 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990302124931.01a9ccd0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 12:52:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Riding Lunch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ahh - its good to be back. Just took a brisk 30 minute (each way) ride on litle known roads between Reston and Tysons Corner. Took along a Harley riding co-worker to marvel at all of the slow ass drivers on the road. At what point will DOT come out and sweep the sand off my curves? Does nature just have to take its course? My fingers are a bit numb...new gloves coming soon..... Looks like rain and snow for the rest of the week. Back under the bike cover she goes..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 12:58:27 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07259 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01160 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (known smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27489 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (209-122-216-111.s111.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.111]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id MAA14189 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:58:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C1C73F.210D@erols.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:51:59 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Crass Commercial Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While at the Indianapolis Motorcycle Dealer Show, I asked several tire distributors for quotes on some tires. While most were willing to send me a mail quote at "show" prices, 1 vendor went beyond (way beyond) the call of duty and shipped the tires. When they figured out that they had made serious error, they offered to pick up the tires and take them back with no costs to me. I suggested that they make me a better deal on the tires and let me try to sell them at a better price and take back what I couldn't sell. They went for it. I have until Monday, 3/8 to get rid of them and then back they go. I have 2 Dunlop 491, 2 Dunlop 401, 2 MEz2, 2 MEz4, and 18 Dunlop D205 in front and rear sizes. First come, etc. You can reach me at 703-241-0733 This is a one time deal. There aren't any orders. WYSISIG. -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 13:03:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07370 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01259 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27631 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:00:51 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:00:45 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:10:12 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: bob@XXXXXX, Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, Askstephen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, names@XXXXXX, WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX Subject: -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline If you EVER get the chance to see this guy, DO IT! We saw him last year in Brainerd and I dang near wet myself. And his wife is as loony as he is. Joe >>> - 3/2/99 7:15 AM >>> I ran across this on another list. Gary is one wild dude. >>Oh Mama, Rothwell is Nuts Liverpool England, February 24, 1999: Internationally renowned motorcycle stunt rider Gary Rothwell has done it again. Rothwell set five new blistering, and quite insane, world records bringing his total of stunt records to seven. The five new records were set on Monday in England, and consist of the following stunts. 1) World's fastest wheelie: 178.20 mph. 2) World's fastest lying on the bike and steering with feet: 150.29 mph. 3) World's fastest skiing off the side of a motorcycle: 150.26 mph. 4) World's fastest riding backwards: 132.39 mph. (Give me a stinking break!) 5) World's fastest stoppie: 118.12 mph In addition to these World Record stunts, Gary also holds two other records; world's fastest skiing behind a motorcycle: at 150.3 mph, and the world record for the multi-person wheelie set with12 people on board. The guys at Performance Bike photographed these stunts for an upcoming feature in their magazine. Rothwell also videotaped his antics and they will be available this spring for viewing in the privacy of your home. You can see the man, and his lovely wife Joan, perform next week at the MBNA Daytona 200 on Saturday March 6th and Sunday March 7th.<< From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 13:36:26 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07980 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id ADD8AE00EA; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:28:40 EST Message-ID: <36DC2F87.92394592@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:35:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Traffic Management References: <4.1.19990302080750.017c3200@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And what about that fatal accident on I-66 yesterday in stop & go traffic? Evidently a tractor-trailer rig tapped the back of a cage, the cage driver stopped and got out to check damages in the #2 lane (#1 is the shoulder/lane thingy I-66 has). Somehow the truck driver didn't see him, ran over him and killed him. WTF?!?!? What's even stranger is the spin Channel 9(NBC) news put on the story - about how the cage driver should have pulled off onto an emergency shoulder a few hundred yards away, and how recent changes in lane usage contributed to this accident. Huh? Sounds to me like the truck driver is a bit at fault here, but thanks to the News Coverage, I don't have the complete story. Anyone know more about this? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:16:12 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08826 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA01107; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:16:59 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000985; Tue, 2 Mar 99 14:16:34 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7Z00N05ETJ2A@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256728.00696DF0 ; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:11:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:04:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Traffic Management To: Dale Horstman Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256728.0068E9AF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL A few facts... Channel 9 is CBS, actually. (4 is NBC, 7 is ABC, 5 is Fox) Governor Gilmore recently increased usage of the shoulder of I-66 (the one with the red Xs or green arrows). Westbound 66 shoulder lane availability increased from 4pm-7pm in the evening to 3pm-8pm. I believe morning shoulder usage is increased as well, but I don't know by how much. This increase is due to Gilmore getting stuck in traffic one night and deciding the shoulder lane use should be increased. (This might be hearsay, but it was on the news one night) The police are looking for people who witnessed the accident. I-66 (in that area) has no shoulder during the rush hour aside from emergency pulloffs every mile or so. If you get in a fender bender, GET THE HELL OUT OF THE TRAVEL LANES!!! Chris Weaver Dale wrote: Anyone know more about this? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:25:39 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08936 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 221; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:25:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990302142420.028103e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:25:19 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , Chris Norloff From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: I 66 Impact Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36DC2F87.92394592@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19990302080750.017c3200@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not that the Washington Post is any better than CBS...but.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-03/02/136l-030299-idx.html Man Fatally Hit by Truck After I-66 Fender Bender By Tom Jackman Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 2, 1999; Page B01 A motorist who got out of his car on Interstate 66 yesterday to check the damage from a fender bender with a truck was killed when the rush-hour traffic started moving again and the tractor-trailer ran into him, police said. The nature of the accident reignited debate over whether opening the road shoulders to traffic sacrifices driver safety for ease of commuting. On I-66, one of Virginia's busiest highways, commuters are allowed to drive on the shoulders during the morning and evening rush hours. Yesterday's incident occurred about 8:40 a.m., when Daniel P. May, 55, of Fairfax, merged his Toyota Tercel one lane left from the shoulder of I-66 after the Nutley Street on-ramp. The eastbound traffic was stop-and-go, and witnesses told police that May's car was struck from behind by a Mack tractor-trailer driven by Alvie Roy, 45, of Axton, Va. May, a retired statistician who formerly worked for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, stepped out of his car to check the damage, Virginia State Police spokeswoman Lucy Caldwell said. Investigators believe May was either crouched or kneeling beside his car when traffic started again and the truck hit his Tercel, killing May and pushing the Tercel into the shoulder lane. "Where he happened to step out," said Lon Anderson, a spokesman for AAA's Potomac chapter, "there was no shoulder available. This begs the question: Had there been a shoulder, would there be a family and a community with one more member alive today?" Anderson said increasing the capacity of the highway with more lanes was the preferable alternative to using the shoulders. State officials pointed out that the accident did not happen on the shoulder. And while yesterday was the first day of an experiment in which the time for shoulder use is being extended, the accident occurred when the shoulder would have been open anyway. The shoulder normally is open to traffic from 5:30 to 9:30 a.m. eastbound and from 3 to 7 p.m. westbound on a seven-mile stretch of I-66 outside the Capital Beltway. Gov. James S. Gilmore III last month announced an eight-month pilot program to extend the shoulder lanes' availability to 10 a.m. eastbound and to 8 p.m. westbound. State police and transportation authorities said shoulder use has resulted in no notable rise in accidents. "I'm not aware of any major incident since we have been using the far right lane as a travel lane during rush hour," said Joan Morris, spokeswoman for the Virginia Department of Transportation. The shoulders are marked with signs, red and green access lights and darker pavement. As for yesterday's fatality, Caldwell said: "It's not unusual for motorists, in a fender bender, to immediately get out of the vehicle, though we urge them not to. This could've happened on any road, the Beltway, 95, anywhere." Caldwell said there were no indications that May tried to signal or steer his car to the shoulder lane or to an emergency pull-off area 50 yards away. Roy told police he did not see May and was not aware his truck had hit May's car. A state inspection of his truck found that two of the 10 sets of brakes were out of adjustment and that there was a problem with the steering mechanism, but police did not believe those factors contributed to the accident. Roy, who was hauling furniture from Axton to Baltimore, was not charged yesterday. ___________________________________________ “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:26:37 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08956 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:25:49 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:25:44 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:57:43 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline You forgot to mention: 1. Have your wife lay belly-down on the gas tank so that her legs are clamped around your waist and her head hovers just over front wheel. 2. Execute 60-0 stoppie as usual. Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:35:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09130 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD5B1EA0250; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:34:51 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302143300.017f3340@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:42:34 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Traffic Management Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36DC2F87.92394592@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19990302080750.017c3200@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 01:35 PM 3/2/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Anyone know more about this? I'll attach the Washington Post article. They say the wreck happened at 8:40am, when the shoulder was in use as a travel lane, but the wreck happened when the driver merged into the next lane over and got rear-ended by a truck (in other words he cut off a truck. Not very smart). Then he left his car in the travel lane, was kneeling by the car looking at the damage when some truck (the same one?) hit him. (Stopping in the travel lane. Not very smart). AAA blames it on the lack of a shoulder, but the driver didn't try to move over, he just left the car in the travel lane and got out. The the VA State Police said "I'm not aware of any major incident since we have been using the far right lane as a travel lane during rush hour," said Joan Morris, spokeswoman for the Virginia Department of Transportation. But I remember an old man got killed not long after the shoulder lanes opened, because he pulled onto the shoulder and got out of his car. Got hit from behind and killed. The truck driver said he never saw the driver get out of the car, and was even unaware that he had hit the car. So this whole thing is very odd.=20 Driving around Washington DC-- like living in a Mad Max movie. Chris Norloff ***************************************** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-03/02/136l-030299-idx.html Man Fatally Hit by Truck After I-66 Fender Bender By Tom Jackman Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 2, 1999; Page B01=20 A motorist who got out of his car on Interstate 66 yesterday to check the damage from a fender bender with a truck was killed when the rush-hour traffic started moving again and the tractor-trailer ran into him, police said. The nature of the accident reignited debate over whether opening the road shoulders to traffic sacrifices driver safety for ease of commuting. On I-66, one of Virginia's busiest highways, commuters are allowed to drive on the shoulders during the morning and evening rush hours.=20 Yesterday's incident occurred about 8:40 a.m., when Daniel P. May, 55, of Fairfax, merged his Toyota Tercel one lane left from the shoulder of I-66 after the Nutley Street on-ramp. The eastbound traffic was stop-and-go, and witnesses told police that May's car was struck from behind by a Mack tractor-trailer driven by Alvie Roy, 45, of Axton, Va. May, a retired statistician who formerly worked for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, stepped out of his car to check the damage, Virginia State Police spokeswoman Lucy Caldwell said. Investigators believe May was either crouched or kneeling beside his car when traffic started again and the truck hit his Tercel, killing May and pushing the Tercel into the shoulder lane. "Where he happened to step out," said Lon Anderson, a spokesman for AAA's Potomac chapter, "there was no shoulder available. This begs the question: Had there been a shoulder, would there be a family and a community with one more member alive today?" Anderson said increasing the capacity of the highway with more lanes was the preferable alternative to using the shoulders. State officials pointed out that the accident did not happen on the shoulder. And while yesterday was the first day of an experiment in which the time for shoulder use is being extended, the accident occurred when the shoulder would have been open anyway. The shoulder normally is open to traffic from 5:30 to 9:30 a.m. eastbound and from 3 to 7 p.m. westbound on a seven-mile stretch of I-66 outside the Capital Beltway. Gov. James S. Gilmore III last month announced an eight-month pilot program to extend the shoulder lanes' availability to 10 a.m. eastbound and to 8 p.m. westbound. State police and transportation authorities said shoulder use has resulted in no notable rise in accidents. "I'm not aware of any major incident since we have been using the far right lane as a travel lane during rush hour," said Joan Morris, spokeswoman for the Virginia Department of Transportation. The shoulders are marked with signs, red and green access lights and darker pavement. As for yesterday's fatality, Caldwell said: "It's not unusual for= motorists, in a fender bender, to immediately get out of the vehicle, though we urge them not to. This could've happened on any road, the Beltway, 95, anywhere." Caldwell said there were no indications that May tried to signal or steer his car to the shoulder lane or to an emergency pull-off area 50 yards away. Roy told police he did not see May and was not aware his truck had hit May's car. A state inspection of his truck found that two of the 10 sets of brakes were out of adjustment and that there was a problem with the steering mechanism, but police did not believe those factors contributed to the accident. Roy, who was hauling furniture from Axton to Baltimore, was not charged yesterday. Staff writer Alan Sipress contributed to this report.=20 =A9 Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company=20 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:44:41 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09316 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id ADD055012E; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:36:48 EST Message-ID: <36DC3F7E.5DD77E6@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:43:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I 66 Impact References: <4.1.19990302080750.017c3200@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990302142420.028103e0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So the trucker hits a car, the car stops, the trucker hits him and the car again, kills the cager, and isn't charged, right? There's gotta be more to this story.... Let's all be careful out there... Dale Mike Troutman wrote: > > Not that the Washington Post is any better than CBS...but.... > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-03/02/136l-030299-idx.html -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:50:47 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09479 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AF65520128; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:43:33 EST Message-ID: <36DC4113.7C69B38A@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:50:43 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Traffic Management References: <85256728.0068E9AF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > > A few facts... > > Channel 9 is CBS, actually. (4 is NBC, 7 is ABC, 5 is Fox) Oops, my bad. Shows how impressed I've been with the news lately... But it sounds to me like the change in shoulder hours didn't make a squat's worth of difference in this accident, but that was the (IMO) weird slant Channel 9 (CBS!) gave it. Sounded extremely fishy to me. I agree it sounds like the cager may have cut the trucker off, it happens all the time. Those big rigs can't stop as fast as the 4-wheelers. You should hear the truckers bitch on the CB about that constantly. But for the trucker to hit the car AGAIN!?! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:56:35 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09502 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:56:15 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Traffic Management Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:56:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Dang.. I knew there was a reason I chose MD over VA as a place of residence... they KILL each other down there while driving! From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 15:30:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10193 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03235 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01925 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:30:35 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256728.006FB946 ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:20:19 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256728.006EB969.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:20:15 -0500 Subject: Re: I 66 Impact Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>So the trucker hits a car, the car stops, the trucker hits him and the car again, kills the cager, and isn't charged, right? There's gotta be more to this story....<< You got that right Dale. Between the TV report and the Washington Post article, the intelligence rate rises to about the level of an eight year old. I propose the following new entry for the next edition of dictionaries: journalist - See moron From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 15:43:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10422 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03386 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02366 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD6317A0208; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:43:15 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302154649.01800e00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:49:52 -0500 To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I 66 Impact In-Reply-To: <85256728.006EB969.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >There's gotta be more to this story....<< > At 03:20 PM 3/2/99 , Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: >You got that right Dale. Between the TV report and the Washington Post >article, the intelligence rate rises to about the level of an eight year >old. > >I propose the following new entry for the next edition of dictionaries: > >journalist - See moron One of the biggest problems today with journalists and journalism is that often all they do is get gov't-issued or company-issued news releases, and parrot that information as "journalism". The idea of actually collecting information on your own, or of reviewing the "official version" critically is so unusual that it's given its own name -- "Investigative Journalism". Shouldn't ALL journalism be "investigative"?, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 15:53:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10612 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03501 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03032 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Steve_Beck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I 66 Impact Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, now, don't lump all of us journalists into the same category. I haven't read the article yet, but calling all journalists "morons" is = like calling all motorcyclists "bikers" or all Southerners "rednecks" (hey, = wait a minute, I resemble that remark. 8^=DE) Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX [mailto:Steve_Beck@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 3:20 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I 66 Impact >>So the trucker hits a car, the car stops, the trucker hits him and the car again, kills the cager, and isn't charged, right? There's gotta be more to this story....<< You got that right Dale. Between the TV report and the Washington Post article, the intelligence rate rises to about the level of an eight = year old. I propose the following new entry for the next edition of dictionaries: journalist - See moron From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 15:55:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10643 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03572 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03083 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I 66 Impact Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain All right, folks, ... no, no ... gotta fight it ... stay out of this ... Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 3:50 PM To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I 66 Impact >There's gotta be more to this story....<< > At 03:20 PM 3/2/99 , Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: >You got that right Dale. Between the TV report and the Washington Post >article, the intelligence rate rises to about the level of an eight year >old. > >I propose the following new entry for the next edition of dictionaries: > >journalist - See moron One of the biggest problems today with journalists and journalism is that often all they do is get gov't-issued or company-issued news releases, and parrot that information as "journalism". The idea of actually collecting information on your own, or of reviewing the "official version" critically is so unusual that it's given its own name -- "Investigative Journalism". Shouldn't ALL journalism be "investigative"?, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 16:10:59 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10903 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:10:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Honda Hoot Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:10:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks, Todd, for that ringing endorsement of my hometown. Can't remember the dates right off the top of my head, but if and when others decide to go, I might can work it out to go as well. I was in Asheville on other business when the event happened last year. Hooked up with a small group and rode the Blue Ridge Parkway for a little while before I had to continue on. Wish I had known when I arrived in Asheville, so I could've participated in other events. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 9:48 AM To: Linda Tanner; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Honda Hoot A couple of things Linda is failing to mention here is that the roads in the Asheville area are fantastic, and that there are a number of things to do and see, either riding or not. A couple of things to see are the Biltmore Estate and Chimney Rock Park. Both things could absorb a day easily. If you're into tourist traps, see how the native Americans have embraced captialism in Cherokee, NC. If nothing else, the ride down the BRP from Asheville is worth it. My advice is to hook up with like minded riders at the event. I didn't realize it at the time, but the last time I was there a bunch of my ST1100 Email buds were also there (must not have been paying attention when they announced it). But if you end up riding solo, do not hesitate to explore the area. Excellent roads. The mystery sport bike ride Linda is talking about takes you up SR151, a road I discovered all by myself. And believe me, it's much better all by yourself :) Todd > > I went to the Hoot in 97 and was mostly disappointed. Evening events all > ended by 9pm (sometimes 8) I guess to cater to the Goldwing crowd > ;-). The > daytime stuff was ok although I went on a mystery sport ride with > 400 of my > closest friends. It was a little tough to ride a great road in a > group that > big. The manufacturers show was closed to the public, so the crowds were > small and easy to deal with, but the show was small as well. > > I might go again sometime except that the national HSTA event is > at the same > time (nearly) and will be much better and it's in Ohio this year. > > Linda T. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) > > Dave Cross asked: > Anyone ever been to a Honda Hoot? What was the experience like? Was it > worth going? Was it well run? What about lodging or camping? Anything > else? > > I am kicking around the idea of going to this years in June but have > never been to one or talked with anyone who has attended one in the > past. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account > today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 17:25:46 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12371 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:25:44 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA18194; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:25:50 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017984; Tue, 2 Mar 99 17:25:15 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7Z00GFSNMQDB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256728.007AD929 ; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:21:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:21:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Riding Lunch To: Mike Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256728.007A961F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Your fingers were numb in 60 deg weather? Whew ... electrics may not even help you. :-) --chris (cold blooded winter rider) From: Mike Troutman Date: 03/02/99 05:52:45 PM GMT Subject: Riding Lunch Ahh - its good to be back. Just took a brisk 30 minute (each way) ride on litle known roads between Reston and Tysons Corner. Took along a Harley --snip-- My fingers are a bit numb...new gloves coming soon..... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 00:10:10 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19287 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA08688 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id XAA25364; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-252-253.s507.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com(209.122.252.253) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma025361; Tue, 2 Mar 99 23:42:04 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990302234034.00ae2d60@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:41:41 -0500 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Riding Lunch Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256728.007A961F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:21 PM 3/2/99 -0500, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Your fingers were numb in 60 deg weather? Whew ... electrics may not even >help you. :-) Sure wasn't 60 degrees in the shade where I was....felt like 50 when we were stopped, and 20 when we were moving ;-) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 00:10:13 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19290 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA05269 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (207-172-182-84.s84.tnt19.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.182.84]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA14450 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:20:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701be65ee$4cf37cc0$54b6accf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Daytona 200 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:22:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE65C4.62EF5500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE65C4.62EF5500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some of my buddies are thinking about watching the Daytona 200 at Damons = in Woodbridge on Sunday evening. Anyone interested in joining us? This = includes wives or female significant others, as Kerri (my wife) will be = there also and probably would appreciate some female companionship. (Is = that PC?) Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE65C4.62EF5500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some of my buddies are thinking = about watching=20 the Daytona 200 at Damons in Woodbridge on Sunday evening.  Anyone=20 interested in joining us?  This includes wives or female = significant=20 others, as Kerri (my wife) will be there also and probably would = appreciate some=20 female companionship.  (Is that PC?)
Roy D. Turner, = Esq.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE65C4.62EF5500-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 00:10:29 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19293 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:10:14 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA03680 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7ZOJa20553; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:33:22 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:33:22 EST To: Wishn4him@XXXXXX, POSTMAN28M@XXXXXX, Voxreri@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, HOGWILDX2@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, JFitzge669@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, SassyJazz@XXXXXX, PSYCHONORD@XXXXXX, Spitsucran@XXXXXX, Edina5@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, MCF007@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, LgOvrLethr@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, Tccard@XXXXXX, VHWALLS@XXXXXX, Tophogdog@XXXXXX, SHguts@XXXXXX, Wendyrocks@XXXXXX, Kelly68@XXXXXX, Fyrstorm74@XXXXXX, Jukon@XXXXXX, JHD93@XXXXXX, HDusenbery@XXXXXX, JSHD86@XXXXXX, easyriderddg@XXXXXX, TrixiMixi@XXXXXX, SwiftRebel@XXXXXX, Skipride@XXXXXX, Tuflilbabe@XXXXXX, WilbertG@XXXXXX, Travler333@XXXXXX, HarleyzMyn@XXXXXX, UnclChrley@XXXXXX, THall67@XXXXXX, M4CYKLONE@XXXXXX, Stacey3253@XXXXXX, Alphagrrrr@XXXXXX, barretts93@XXXXXX, MACAKITA@XXXXXX, mnicastri@XXXXXX, SMitch2282@XXXXXX, WHilton361@XXXXXX, Scot615@XXXXXX, Tjahdrider@XXXXXX, Khd93@XXXXXX, SWAMPHAGG@XXXXXX, BetyBp43@XXXXXX, PokeyBLTN@XXXXXX, HDRider5@XXXXXX, Green60283@XXXXXX, Trainer175@XXXXXX, Airrr210@XXXXXX, ShdwRdr667@XXXXXX, RUTHLEZZ@XXXXXX, EYoung5152@XXXXXX, LoneTrim@XXXXXX, DDeihl9445@XXXXXX, R90S@XXXXXX, LIKEAMU@XXXXXX, JOSEB123@XXXXXX, LeeOwen@XXXXXX, DBASS753@XXXXXX, KIKSTARTR@XXXXXX, NIKOTROIA@XXXXXX, SMARTASSS4@XXXXXX, RPass32730@XXXXXX, DVD@XXXXXX, NICPAS1@XXXXXX, WIKDWTCH@XXXXXX, DWOLFDOG@XXXXXX, DSR6415@XXXXXX, SusanR39@XXXXXX, JimJacks@XXXXXX, gvhannah@XXXXXX, Caren1m@XXXXXX, Shovl82@XXXXXX, MeanMlKE@XXXXXX, HD72Sport@XXXXXX, g.snelson@XXXXXX, LWELCH@XXXXXX, FXSB1340@XXXXXX, TDarkstar@XXXXXX, Vva451ghm@XXXXXX, DDDHDRider@XXXXXX, Skingirl@XXXXXX, BULLET1891@XXXXXX, Juicyfru69@XXXXXX, HD1996@XXXXXX, JimSchillo@XXXXXX, Sailorkel@XXXXXX, DickB95410@XXXXXX, Wicked816@XXXXXX, LJFRKOKOMO@XXXXXX, FREEDM@XXXXXX, LOWRFRED@XXXXXX, Barbbeep@XXXXXX, LouNick@XXXXXX, Harleyxtcy@XXXXXX, Biker536@XXXXXX, Camel62@XXXXXX, HOGV@XXXXXX, SUPRLAWMAN@XXXXXX, JoanReMax@XXXXXX, RoylatG1@XXXXXX, WCFATBOY@XXXXXX, WYLDTHYNG1@XXXXXX, CLAINCE@XXXXXX, Ocikat@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, StrmWatch@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, khafre@XXXXXX, Crgcrisis@XXXXXX, JFA2@XXXXXX, FabThad@XXXXXX, imidysa@XXXXXX, Spike574@XXXXXX, ZX6RKAW@XXXXXX, Gcfnb@XXXXXX, DGaeng@XXXXXX, JMille5592@XXXXXX, BOOKEMinDC@XXXXXX, Carolbiker@XXXXXX, MOTOCYCLER@XXXXXX, PROBIKE4U@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, true@XXXXXX, BBtintop@XXXXXX, SEVENSPEAR@XXXXXX, JLarsen930@XXXXXX, ERICARCHER@XXXXXX, Prsdntlbch@XXXXXX, KAT88888@XXXXXX, fdinata@XXXXXX, OsbornKev@XXXXXX, snake69@XXXXXX, LBKIII@XXXXXX, SMITHCAR69@XXXXXX, HarleyDew@XXXXXX, Wizzette32@XXXXXX, Hdavbabe@XXXXXX, JTEE007@XXXXXX, peter@XXXXXX, SJordan185@XXXXXX, rockwood_lelia@XXXXXX, GUFEAR@XXXXXX, LaceWheels@XXXXXX, Ruffinmug@XXXXXX, pgerhardt@XXXXXX, nicole@XXXXXX, Chuckbiker@XXXXXX, Onebil2mny@XXXXXX, Dadnhisboy@XXXXXX, Postman53@XXXXXX, Geeshaw@XXXXXX, Panda098@XXXXXX, EZRyder421@XXXXXX, RWitten69@XXXXXX, Ladytaz47@XXXXXX, FRexach@XXXXXX, TIM88RG@XXXXXX, Ndmny@XXXXXX, robin_m_gilliam@XXXXXX, BlackcatU2@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **POKER RUN FINAL DETAILS** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 For Details on the MARCH 14, 1999 POKER RUN FOR JK Please refer to the following Web Site Heyser's Home Page If for any reason you can't open this site, drop me a note and I'll give you all the details. The Poker Run is listed under EVENTS and under DISCUSSIONS. Feel free to add, comment or offer your assistance in any way. I'll be there and hope to see you all at this most worthy Event and a great way to start the year off right! For those of you didn't know JK, he recently passed away from a battle with cancer. He was a member of Heyer's for at least 2 decades and was an honest, hardworking, caring individual who strived to do what was right and fair. The proceeds will be going to his family to offset medical and family expenses. Ride safely and stay warm! And if you have the flu, GET OVER IT! Lee From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 00:28:58 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19842 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:15:27 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:16:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00af01be6534$f813bb20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Simple in theory. Not so simple in practice. I've inadvertantly done it a few times, but 600 lb bikes aren't the best for this kinda thing. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 10:57 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell > > > George, if it's so simple, would you care to teach a few of us? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > > > > > Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the > > forks. Then the > > rest of the momentum carries the back of the bike up. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 00:29:00 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19844 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:18:11 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:19:03 -0500 Message-ID: <00b001be6535$5a38da60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10168AB@MSCEX> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I believe that, as often happens, my comments were taken out of context. The question that I was answering was 'how does one do a stoppie from xxx speed?'. The answer is to apply braking force in such a manner that the front of the bike is braking and diving hard enough to raise the rear of the bike. This doesn't matter what speed you are travelling at. If someone like Rothwell can practice and train long enough, it should be achievable at any velocity. Taken in context, and taken as the answer was intended (that a very difficult problem is really more simple physics), it makes perfect sense. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [mailto:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 12:31 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell > > > Ahhh..so great to be getting list traffic again...... > > I'm assuming that we're talking stoppies here?? If you attempt one in the > manner that George described, you will most likely lock the front tire > before you pull a stoppie...They aren't that easy to do... > > On Tuesday, March 02, 1999 12:29 PM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > George, if it's so simple, would you care to teach a few of us? > > > > > > > > Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the > > > > forks. Then the rest of the momentum carries the back of > the bike up. > > > > Right! This is like saying, "to play the saxaphone blow into it and move > > your fingers around". > > > > Kirk > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 07:01:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07832 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA15513 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16330 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09504 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust022.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.22]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA18006 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:01:17 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990302221808.0069f6a8@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:18:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Junkyards In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990302081343.017c3780@mail.toward.com> References: <19990301193552.A19467@cosanostra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" H&H in Woodbridge, VA has mostly sport bike stuff. At 08:15 AM 3/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:35 PM 3/1/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: >>Kind of a dumb question, but does anybody know of any bike junkyards >>in the area? Preferably pull-it-yourself, but I'll take what I can >>get...I found baltimore cycle salvage, but I'm hoping there are some >>others around. > >Winding Road Motorcycle Times has ads for them. There's one in Baltimore, >Cumberland (MD), Dover (DE), and Norfolk. They pull the parts off >themselves, but the advantage is they know what they have. P&F in Dover is >wonderful, worth a trip just to see the place, and a great source. > >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 07:05:36 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07950 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA29368 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990303120712.10722.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.16.7] by web304.yahoomail.com; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 04:07:12 PST Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:07:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Daytona 200 To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Some of my buddies are thinking about watching the Daytona 200 at Damons in > Woodbridge on Sunday evening. Anyone interested in joining us? Where is Damons? I'm not all that familiar with Woodbridge. And will Damons be showing the race? Wouldn't be fun if we go there and they have something else on tv. > This includes wives or female significant others, as Kerri (my wife) will be > there also and probably would appreciate some female companionship. (Is that > PC?) Hmmm, might be more PC to say anyone is welcome. There are probably women who are not currently anyone's wife or SO who wants to watch the race as well. :) Louis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 09:40:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10330 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17278 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from E-MAIL.COM (known e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18438 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 8564 ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:40:15 7 E Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:39:56 4 E Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id 85256729.0050A04F ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:40:39 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256729.00509E95.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:40:07 -0500 Subject: Local Paint (N. VA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I am looking for recommendations for some dent removal and paint work for my bike Sheetmetal. I am not looking for fancy flames or air brushing, just HD Vivid black, but the tank has a dent, and the fenders both have minor imperfections that I want right. Any guess of what should be spent on this? Any info appreciated. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 09:49:43 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10483 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:49:41 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA17216; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:50:26 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016059; Wed, 3 Mar 99 09:47:31 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8000FFPX3RNH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256729.0050F095 ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:44:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:40:11 -0500 Subject: Battley wins at Daytona To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256729.0050AD02.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I just found this on the 2WF site: Battle of the Twins Formula One Devin Battley (No. 85 Ducati) -- "Rolf Knecht, the guy from Switzerland, got a good start and came around me in turn one. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 13:28:32 1999 Return-Path: tfrazie@XXXXXX Received: from tecom-ftp.army.mil (tecom-ftp.apg.army.mil [130.114.34.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14804 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: tfrazie@XXXXXX Received: from tec1.apg.army.mil (tec1.apg.army.mil [130.114.34.13]) by tecom-ftp.army.mil (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA18410; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:26:04 -0500 Received: from ccMail by tec1.apg.army.mil (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5) id AA920485678; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:28:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9903039204.AA920485678@tec1.apg.army.mil> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:27:54 -0500 To: , Subject: FOR SALE: Primo 83 Yamaha Midnight Maxim 750 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Repost to correct subject line. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: Anyone interested in buying a 82 Yahama 550 Maxim? (correction 83 Yamaha Midnight Maxim 750) Author: tfrazie at TECOM Date: 2/25/99 11:29 AM I'm selling my '83 Midnight Maxim 750CC (XJ750M) Cruiser style. It's in primo shape with about 16K miles. It still looks new! Black Chrome handlebars, mufflers, etc. Lowered saddle Black chrome engine guards with new Yamaha hiway pegs New Battery Brand new tires New National Cycle windscreen with clear lowers (quick release) One of two year's production (82 and 83) Asking $1500 firm Call Tim 410 575-6254 or email tfrazie@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 16:21:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18098 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24286 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00376 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 425 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990303162115.02013200@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:21:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Interesting Link Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cinematographic Stuntman http://www.asi.fr/~jmermet/goy_english.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 16:48:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18583 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24779 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01152 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:48:32 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HAVSa05506 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:40:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:40:48 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: any bmw slash 5 riders out there? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 I'm moving soon and I have some /5 parts I don't want to bring with me. Let's see, there's a couple of front ends, a wheel or two, a final drive a rear frame section... heavy bulky stuff. Anyone willing to pick it up here in Silver Spring can have it for free as long as they take it all You can reach me best via e-mail. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 17:31:03 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19403 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-69-80.s271.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.69.80]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02934 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:30:59 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Track Day at Summit Point Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:33:02 -0500 Message-ID: <003901be65c5$cc83b960$5135accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal A friend sent me some email about Team Pro-motion having a track day out at Summit Point March 20-21 and they are looking for some volunteer cornerworkers. Anyone who's had any experience with MARRC is especially welcome, but no experience necessary. "If you're interested, sign-up at the US Marshalls website http://www.usmarshalls.org/ There's a wealth of information on the site for novice cornerworkers and about motorcycle roadracing in general. " LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 19:15:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21451 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26933 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from web510.yahoomail.com (known web510.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.80]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04807 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:15:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990304001801.19722.rocketmail@web510.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.159.1.17] by web510.yahoomail.com; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:18:01 PST Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:18:01 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Local Paint (N. VA) To: ddiefend@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dave, Some people have used local bodywork and paint shops, including places like Maaco I believe, and they can provide specifics. I just wanted to mention that most motorcycle dealerships have relationships with bodywork shops for such repairs, so you might ask nearby dealers who they use. Sean Sullivan ---ddiefend@XXXXXX wrote: > > I am looking for recommendations for some dent removal and paint work for my > bike Sheetmetal. I am not looking for fancy flames or air brushing, just HD > Vivid black, but the tank has a dent, and the fenders both have minor > imperfections that I want right. Any guess of what should be spent on this? > Any info appreciated. Dave > > > == DC-Cycles t-shirts are $10 each for S-XL, $12 for XXL and up. The logo is no. 1b at www.dc-cycles.org. Send a check and your order with shirt quantity, size and color to: Sean Sullivan 16 8TH ST, NE WASHINGTON, DC 20002 Questions? E-mail me at redsullivan@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 21:30:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23836 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28617 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07543 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA28054 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:30:43 -0500 Message-ID: <00ba01be65e6$8d3692c0$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: any bmw slash 5 riders out there? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:27:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 'Lo Colleen -- Back and active, eh. Hope this move will be a local one? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Likes to move Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: MotorLE@XXXXXX >I'm moving soon From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 21:50:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24160 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28783 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.troutman.org (known 209-122-246-148.s529.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.148]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07772 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by gecko.troutman.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA00519; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:49:55 -0500 Received: from iguana(172.16.50.1) by gecko via smap (V2.1) id xma000517; Wed, 3 Mar 99 21:49:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990303214808.00d0ba90@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:49:27 -0500 To: ddiefend@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Local Paint (N. VA) In-Reply-To: <85256729.00509E95.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:40 AM 3/3/99 -0500, ddiefend@XXXXXX wrote: >I am looking for recommendations for some dent removal and paint work for my >bike Sheetmetal. I am not looking for fancy flames or air brushing, just HD >Vivid black, but the tank has a dent, and the fenders both have minor >imperfections that I want right. Any guess of what should be spent on this? >Any info appreciated. Dave Wanted to send this from work but didn't have his number. This is my girlfriend's brother. Does great work in Manassas, VA Endicott Paint and Collision Chris Endicott 703-367-0420 _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 21:53:52 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24180 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA28576 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:53:48 -0500 Message-ID: <00db01be65e9$c6bccd40$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: For now and wannabee KAW riders -- some history Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BE65BF.DD374B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BE65BF.DD374B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the Vulcan List -- (click on 'history and new pics' in the first = site para) http://www.cybercyclemag.com/ Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Heritage to be proud of Join the AMA. 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------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BE65BF.DD374B60-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 22:16:36 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24590 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA29222 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: <010601be65ec$f4699540$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Fw: Bike art Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:13:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan List -- Bill S. / DC / 513 99 VN750 --> Likes to draw admiring glances Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. >Check out this link. Some wild airbrush to sculpture artwork. > >http://www.motorcyclecity.com/art.htm > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 01:22:30 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27585 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05190; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA27855; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA01696; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:14:40 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36DE24D0.B7F40365@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 01:14:40 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorcyclists, I finally installed my BC800 on my CBR1K & man it's sweet. You get a digital speed readout , clock, avg speed, max speed, tripometer & ride time. This thing is really cool. Also, I installed the rump lights assembly from KRISS industries. This is the 3rd time I've purchased these rump lights & they make a big difference in visibility. I had to drive down to Freestate Cycles on Central Ave for minor service & my wife had to follow in the truck. She said that those rump lights made me very visible in the evening traffic. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! Hmmm, what to install next...;) DJ Bowie MD 93' CBR1000K aka "Charity" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 07:35:44 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04766 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA02792; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:37:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002701be663c$20910b40$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "djonesj" , , Subject: Re: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:40:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Now for an interesting trick with the BC800.. this is for all you electronic gurus out there.... how could one backlight the BC800 display for night time use? -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: djonesj To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; cbr-digest@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:39 AM Subject: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights >Motorcyclists, > >I finally installed my BC800 on my CBR1K & man it's sweet. You get a >digital speed readout , clock, avg speed, max speed, tripometer & ride >time. This thing is really cool. Also, I installed the rump lights >assembly from KRISS industries. This is the 3rd time I've purchased >these rump lights & they make a big difference in visibility. I had to >drive down to Freestate Cycles on Central Ave for minor service & my >wife had to follow in the truck. She said that those rump lights made me >very visible in the evening traffic. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! Hmmm, what to >install next...;) > >DJ >Bowie MD >93' CBR1000K aka "Charity" > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 08:06:56 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05241 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:06:38 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Winter Wonderland.. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:05:08 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't hardly see for all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have the fortune of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts were right?? *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of astonishment from cagers? To be honest, I didn't even have the ability to see what the other people on the road were looking at me like.. It was only upon arriving at work did people start to look at me a little weird (not to bad, they know what I'm like)... Cheers everyone... :) Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 08:19:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05410 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A86628C101DC; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:19:34 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990304082403.018e0f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:27:00 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:05 AM 3/4/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't hardly see for >all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have the fortune >of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts were right?? >*chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of >astonishment from cagers? Yup. The air temperature was 30 at my house when I left, but I figured the roads were warmer as the temps have been above 32 for several days. There were big flakes of snow coming down as I got the cover off the bike - it was half-frozen from the precipitation changing from rain to snow last night. No problem riding, I made sure to do my leaning by weighting the pegs rather than by countersteering on bridges and overpasses, just in case. The metal expansion joints on the overpasses were more slippery than usual, but that was all. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 08:40:04 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05719 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA02121; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:39:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002095; Thu Mar 4 07:39:01 1999 Message-ID: <36DE8CC5.93D9648@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:38:13 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It wasn't a bad ride in, but the snow doesn't run off the visor like rain. The farther I rode, the darker it got outside. I did notice most of the cagers were staying a little farther away from me than usual. Anyone know what the ride home is suppose to be like? Ed McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't hardly see for > all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have the fortune > of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts were right?? > *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of > astonishment from cagers? To be honest, I didn't even have the ability to > see what the other people on the road were looking at me like.. It was only > upon arriving at work did people start to look at me a little weird (not to > bad, they know what I'm like)... > > Cheers everyone... :) > > Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 08:47:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05874 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA04194; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:47:06 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304134705.CYTX26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:47:05 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Winter Wonderland.. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:45:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be6645$3ab0bb70$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Brian McCoy wrote: > > Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't hardly see for > all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have > the fortune > of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts > were right?? > *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of > astonishment from cagers? There was a little snow on tree branches and rooftops where I live, but nothing falling when I left (8am). Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:08:10 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06226 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA20748; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:04:30 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304140732.DAOR26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:07:32 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Ed Hand" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Winter Wonderland.. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:05:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be6648$165d6310$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <36DE8CC5.93D9648@ix.netcom.com> According to the wxch, sunny. > > It wasn't a bad ride in, but the snow doesn't run off the visor > like rain. The > farther I rode, the darker it got outside. I did notice most of > the cagers were > staying a little farther away from me than usual. Anyone know > what the ride > home is suppose to be like? > > Ed > > McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't > hardly see for > > all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have > the fortune > > of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts > were right?? > > *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure > the looks of > > astonishment from cagers? To be honest, I didn't even have the > ability to > > see what the other people on the road were looking at me like.. > It was only > > upon arriving at work did people start to look at me a little > weird (not to > > bad, they know what I'm like)... > > > > Cheers everyone... :) > > > > Brian > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:08:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06235 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA08708; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:07:31 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304140729.DAOJ26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:07:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Thomas and Jeannette" , "djonesj" , , Subject: RE: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be6648$148cc1c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <002701be663c$20910b40$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> Is this a riddle? I've thought of rigging a tiny zenon diode spot-light above the cyclometer that can be removed, and powered inline. Cover the light with a red tinting for night vision. If you wanted to take the cyclometer apart you might see whats needed to be dremeled out of the way for a tiny diode to point across the LCD field, and have it powered inline. Todd > > Now for an interesting trick with the BC800.. this is for all you > electronic > gurus out there.... how could one backlight the BC800 display for > night time > use? > > -Tom > '86 VFR750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:23:32 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06529 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16782; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26572; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01823; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:15:39 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36DE958B.86E77A5E@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:15:39 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nomad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights References: <19990304135910.28841.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nomad wrote: > DJ, > I just got received the rump lights from KRISS. How long did it take > you to install the rump lights? Any tricks to hooking up the wires > correctly the first time? > Herb > '94 Honda Magna > > ---Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > > > > Now for an interesting trick with the BC800.. this is for all you > electronic > > gurus out there.... how could one backlight the BC800 display for > night time > > use? > > > > -Tom > > '86 VFR750 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: djonesj > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; > cbr-digest@XXXXXX > > > > Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:39 AM > > Subject: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights > > > > > > >Motorcyclists, > > > > > >I finally installed my BC800 on my CBR1K & man it's sweet. You get a > > >digital speed readout , clock, avg speed, max speed, tripometer & > ride > > >time. This thing is really cool. Also, I installed the rump lights > > >assembly from KRISS industries. This is the 3rd time I've purchased > > >these rump lights & they make a big difference in visibility. I had > to > > >drive down to Freestate Cycles on Central Ave for minor service & my > > >wife had to follow in the truck. She said that those rump lights > made me > > >very visible in the evening traffic. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! Hmmm, what > to > > >install next...;) > > > > > >DJ > > >Bowie MD > > >93' CBR1000K aka "Charity" > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Hey Herb, If you've worked with electronics before, then you should have no problem reading the schematic. Do yourself a favor & go by a electronics store & get yourself a variety connector set. This makes it easier than cutting/splicing into the wire. One confusing thing is the part on the schematic about connecting one wire to the tail-light assembly. This is the last step & can be done by turning on the lights & once you've grounded the assembly, then touch each connector until the lights come on. Once this is done, turn off the bike, connect the wire to the connector you found. I did it the easiest way by unplugging the tail light plug & sticking the wire in the correct hole & then plugging the tail-light back together again. This is kinda like connecting a wire to the fuse box when you need power for your car stereo or fog lights. Good Luck! DJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:25:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06572 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07376 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (known relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15356 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:25:36 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgfcb12263 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525672A.005004A7 ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:34:00 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525672A.0050044C.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:20:21 -0500 Subject: Suggestions? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok, I go to GMU one night a week for classes and usually take the bike. The problem is, they gave me this HUGE UGLY green sticker for parking and on the instructions it says, "for motorcycles, simply put on your tank." YEAH, RIGHT!! Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely ruining my bike? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:32:57 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06742 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28013 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:32:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:32:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of > astonishment from cagers? I have "discovered" a big disadvantage of a new bike - I wasn't inclined to ride it today because I didn't want to get salt all over it... Soon a 2nd bike will be set-up that ought to take care of days like today. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:43:57 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06929 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:43:50 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:43:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Now for an interesting trick with the BC800.. this is for all > you electronic gurus out there.... how could one backlight the > BC800 display for night time use? I believe there's another bicycle speedo that has a light function (you have to his a button, not a big deal). The only problem with it was that the top sped was 125 or something (I, personaly, don't care). I am NOT certain of this info.. but remember Collin talking about it when the bike shop opened near his place... Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 10:09:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07435 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07900 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (known ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16789 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA22499; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:05:24 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304150826.DJEQ26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:08:26 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be6650$9808c140$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <8525672A.0050044C.00@172.16.2.37> This applies to all those damned stickers authorities want you to put on your bike. Fashion a mounting plate that can be secured at a bolt that someone wouldn't necessarily want to mess with. I have mine mounted to the axle pinch bolts and bent toward the back of the bike. This required cutting out so the plate would fit over the axle, but it's fairly secure and not to obvious (I painted it black to match the fork lowers). Maybe for you Jeannette, an extended piece of galvanized metal (hardware store) mounted behind the license plate, and drill the bolts and safety wire them so the nut is harder to remove. Or, mount it to the passenger peg location. Look around. In any case, you might want to paint it as well to match your bike. Todd > > Ok, I go to GMU one night a week for classes and usually take the > bike. The > problem is, they gave me this HUGE UGLY green sticker for parking > and on the > instructions it says, "for motorcycles, simply put on your tank." > YEAH, RIGHT!! > Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely > ruining my bike? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 10:13:46 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07558 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3162280242; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:13:26 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990304101153.018fabd0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:14:02 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:32 AM 3/4/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: >I have "discovered" a big disadvantage of a new bike - I wasn't inclined >to ride it today because I didn't want to get salt all over it... Soon a >2nd bike will be set-up that ought to take care of days like today. >Kirk I was thinking about that myself recently - but for me, the newer bike, with its plastic bodywork, is better protected against salt corrosion than the old bike with the exposed engine. Last time I had it out I washed it pretty good when I got home and sprayed S100 Engine Corrosion Preventative (or some name like that) -- I'll see how well it does! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 10:31:30 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07870 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:31:29 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2SNDa06485 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:24:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <659d4202.36dea5a9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:24:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 11:07:33 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08549 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id ADFBB8D00F6; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:59:55 EST Message-ID: <36DEAFB0.2B2F4ACF@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:07:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's it. I'm tired of this cold. Tonight I'm hopping on my bike (d'oh, I meant Tracy's bike) and riding to Daytona. I hear there's a little bike thing going on down there. Might be fun. See you all in a few days... Dale (that 25 mph headwind was nasty this morning...) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 11:19:25 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08729 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00929 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:19:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:19:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Local paint shop Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been meaning to reply to that inquiry on paint shops but... Anyway, here it is, finally. Straightline Auto Body in Elkridge. They're right off Rt. 1 near the Baltimore beltway. 410-796-3378 They did great work on a friend's bike, for a reasonable cost. See his bike at: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/jeff/jeff.htm Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 11:30:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08956 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09137 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19757 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:26:12 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:27:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00fb01be665b$df306360$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <8525672A.0050044C.00@172.16.2.37> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Make a separate plate to mount below the license plate and stick it there. My brother cut up an old soda can for this when he was at UMCP. You could also get a metal plate and attach it to one of the forks. On the R850R, there was a plate like this that mounted the VA annual inspection sticker. The other thing you might be able to do is mount it to a piece of plastic, put the plastic inside a ziploc bag, and then use a magnet to hold this bag to the tank while you are parked. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 11:42:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09217 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09360 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20158 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from gforeman (surf159.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.159]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA00813; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:41:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" To: Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:41:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be665d$d0725ca0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <8525672A.0050044C.00@172.16.2.37> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Same way I did my VA Inspection and county sticker. Made a plate, and bolted it to the bike. Bolt behind a peg or something. Maybe you can see it in this picture: http://www.fj1100.com/summit/980531-1.jpg It's a piece if lexan, painted black. After I get 5 or so stickers built up, I just make a new one. The lexan is a big sheet off an old coke machine (you know, the plastic in front that shows light). The stuff is almost indestructible. Of yours you could make one out of stainless steel also that would look trick. Hope this helps. Gary Foreman gforeman@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX > [mailto:Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 9:20 AM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Suggestions? > > > > > Ok, I go to GMU one night a week for classes and usually take the > bike. The > problem is, they gave me this HUGE UGLY green sticker for parking > and on the > instructions it says, "for motorcycles, simply put on your tank." > YEAH, RIGHT!! > Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely > ruining my bike? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 11:47:39 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09326 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D4VN75Q7; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:46:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. Message-ID: <19990301.121906.5023.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-10 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:46:38 EST Didn't ride in the snow, but I rode a new Intruder 1400 to a customer's house yesterday around lunchtime, before the rain. The wind was really gusty. It hit me in the chest as I was getting on the Ffx Co Pkwy with such force that I had a hard time expanding my chest to take a breath and my speed dropped about 10mph in the blink of an eye. The 1400 is a nice bike when you're up to speed, but at low speeds, the tall front wheel has a tendency to flop to one side or the other, making parking maneuvers and U-turns a chore. With the wind cross-checking me yesterday, it was all I could do to hold it steady. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 12:02:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09629 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09761 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (known web506.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20925 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:02:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990304170440.17538.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.97.127.172] by web506.yahoomail.com; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:04:40 PST Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:04:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Suggestions? To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't know much about your VFR setup, but I'll be mounting my new sticker on the side of the rear fender. I've seen setups like Todd referred to (bolt-on piece of metal, usually attached to the tag), but if the sticker is valuable/transferable, someone will remove the whole piece. You might also consider wrapping it around one of the forks. Either way, though, what a PITA. ---Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: > Ok, I go to GMU one night a week for classes and usually take the bike. The > problem is, they gave me this HUGE UGLY green sticker for parking and on the > instructions it says, "for motorcycles, simply put on your tank." YEAH, RIGHT!! > Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely > ruining my bike? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 12:18:47 1999 Return-Path: mevian@XXXXXX Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09923 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:18:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990304171857.15277.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.103.49.115] by send103.yahoomail.com; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:18:57 PST Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:18:57 -0800 (PST) From: Keri Ferencz Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii unsubscribe _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 12:52:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10509 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10686 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (known ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22576 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA05503; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:48:17 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304175120.EJDN26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:51:20 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" , Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:49:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be6667$58e4b200$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000501be665d$d0725ca0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> > > Same way I did my VA Inspection and county sticker. Made a plate, and > bolted it to the bike. Bolt behind a peg or something. Maybe you can see > it in this picture: > > http://www.fj1100.com/summit/980531-1.jpg Nice looking ride Gary! From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 13:13:01 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10899 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA14480; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:09:26 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304181229.ELUS26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:12:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Keri Ferencz" , Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001301be666a$4d477dd0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <19990304171857.15277.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Another wayward subscriber, come to tell us goodbye. Please refer to http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/dc-cycles/ Bookmark it, remember it, use it. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 13:24:47 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11075 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11074 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23494 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WSLJa08074; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:06:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <53fa9099.36decbb1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:06:41 EST To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Suggestions? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 why don't you just carry it with you and then stick it in between the tank and the seat - at least on my bike there's a little kind of slit there... but don't actually stick it ON anything In a message dated 3/4/99 9:33:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX writes: > Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely > ruining my bike? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 13:34:31 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11250 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04885 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:34:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <001301be666a$4d477dd0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > Another wayward subscriber, come to tell us goodbye. > Please refer to http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/dc-cycles/ > Bookmark it, remember it, use it. But isn't www.dc-cycles.org more kosher, and newer? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 14:03:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11862 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA32471; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:59:31 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304190233.ESLM26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:02:33 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:00:39 -0500 Message-ID: <001501be6671$4b6ec200$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Fine. Either way works. Harry needs to take down the old one, unless he's got some reason to keep it out there. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:34 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: unsubscribe > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > Another wayward subscriber, come to tell us goodbye. > > Please refer to http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/dc-cycles/ > > Bookmark it, remember it, use it. > > But isn't www.dc-cycles.org more kosher, and newer? > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 14:39:04 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12583 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:39:01 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA12611; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:40:41 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmab25945; Thu, 4 Mar 99 14:12:26 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F830084G3WB5H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672A.0068E735 ; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:05:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:21:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <8525672A.00689929.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Interesting. Last week (on a trip to Atlanta) we got caught in heavy ice/snow going through Charlotte. It was falling as snow, but turning to ice on the faceshield and on the front of the jacket. Entire front of the bike, including the headlight was covered in ice/snow, and we had to stop and knock it off every so often. We decided to continue on because the roads were slushy, but not slick, and I knew that if we stopped the water would freeze, and we wouldn't get outta there for a day or so. --chris PS. I learned that my glove covers had a hole in them and that Widder gloves are NOT waterproof! However, they do work even when soaked through. It was wierd to be riding in 33 deg weather with my hands immersed in electrically warmed water ... To: 'dc' cc: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Date: 03/04/99 01:05:08 PM GMT Subject: Winter Wonderland.. Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't hardly see for all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have the fortune of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts were right?? *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of astonishment from cagers? To be honest, I didn't even have the ability to see what the other people on the road were looking at me like.. It was only upon arriving at work did people start to look at me a little weird (not to bad, they know what I'm like)... Cheers everyone... :) Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 14:41:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12606 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12502 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28556 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:41:22 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA13882; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:42:29 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa27534; Thu, 4 Mar 99 14:14:55 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F83004R03XQJJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672A.006900E3 ; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:06:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:45:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Suggestions? To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525672A.00689A22.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL A couple of flexible refrigerator magnets? One of those magnetic clear map pockets (would have other uses). Tuck it into a tank bra? A piece of rope/string running from handle bar to handle bar that held it over the tank? A binder clip that holds it to the flap over the keyhole for your gas cap? Of course these are not "secure" ways to mount it ... --chris To: cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Date: 03/04/99 02:20:21 PM GMT Subject: Suggestions? Ok, I go to GMU one night a week for classes and usually take the bike. The problem is, they gave me this HUGE UGLY green sticker for parking and on the instructions it says, "for motorcycles, simply put on your tank." YEAH, RIGHT!! Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely ruining my bike? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 15:16:46 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13373 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id zMSa026924; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:15:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1bbe40bb.36dee9ff@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:15:59 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I will be in the UK for two weeks, so it seemed like a good idea. Sorry to upset you so much over such a little thing. You must really get crazy over important stuff Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 15:35:33 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13790 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10Ieoz-0001Q0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:34:17 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24515 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NHZ6S>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:40:15 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7EF@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'dc'" Subject: Plan a ride for me please. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:40:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok I need someone to suggest a good weekend getaway for me and my wife. We will be riding on my VFR and my wife can handle about 300 miles of riding in a day (maybe less). The destination is not as important as the journey (as is the case with most rides). I would imagine that we would head out Saturday morning, stay overnight somewhere and arrive back home sometime early Sunday evening. Most of the riding we have done has been down south or into West Virginia so I would like to go up North for a change but would welcome any suggestions. It would be nice if we did have a specific "site to see" but again thats second to a good ride. I am thinking that some of you guys might have favorite rides/destinations that you wouldnt mind sharing. Thanks for the help, Im trying to plan my spring activities early. Dave From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 15:41:11 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13864 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA31311; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:40:05 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304204029.FHKN26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:40:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: RE: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:38:35 -0500 Message-ID: <002501be667e$f9977e00$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <1bbe40bb.36dee9ff@aol.com> Not upset. Just tired of all the unsubscribes that come across the list. This isn't the only list guilty of it either. You DO know that to unsubscribe you need to send your request to an administrator, right? Sending it to all of us gets you nowhere. You might as well type "ignore me"! I was suggesting that you, and everybody else too, keep the administrivia at hand so you don't bumble into the fog..."Hey everyone, unsubscribe me"...duh. Once again: http://www.dc-cycles.org/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ New, and Updated (and Kosher, according to Kirk) :) Todd > > I will be in the UK for two weeks, so it seemed like a good idea. Sorry to > upset you so much over such a little thing. You must really get crazy over > important stuff > Bob > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 15:44:58 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13959 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.51.204] (207-172-51-204.s204.tnt16.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.51.204]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04578 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:48:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903042048.PAA04578@smtp2.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:44:31 -0500 Subject: Valkyrie From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: "dc-cycles" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a friend who has been riding a PC800 for a while. Last year put a deposit on a HD, not ude for a few more months. I recently gave him a copy of MCN to look at, not realzing that it was the issue with a cruiser comparo. Now he is thinking about a Valkyrie instead (MCN loved it, HD came in fourth). Anybody got one? Like it? General comments from the peanut gallery. Having never ridden a cruiser, never mind owned one (I'm on my third VFR), I don't know what to tell him. He is looking for guidance. Thanks in advance, Charles Rosen From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 15:59:55 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14312 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:59:52 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA27820; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:59:11 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa21288; Thu, 4 Mar 99 15:48:21 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8300LM38FEM1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672A.0071E0FE ; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:43:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:15:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Suggestions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525672A.006F68D3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL The flexible refrigerator magnet idea seems like the best one. You can get some of these from Domino's Pizza, by the way. Just apply the sticker onto the front of one (or two if one's not large enough), and you'd have a perfect way of attaching it to your tank and making it easily removable. I doubt you'd have a theft problem, since (1) the sticker is designated for motorcycles - not many of those, and (2) if you trim the magnet to size, from a short distance it will appear as if the sticker's been applied directly to the motorcycle. Chris Weaver Chris Meier wrote: A couple of flexible refrigerator magnets? (snip) Of course these are not "secure" ways to mount it ... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 17:43:27 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16340 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA08622; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:42:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-61.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.189) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008373; Thu Mar 4 16:41:08 1999 Message-ID: <000d01be668f$da088320$bd5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "David Cross" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: Plan a ride for me please. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:39:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Two suggestions, First off pick up Dale Coyners Motorcycle Journeys = through the Appalachians ISBN # 1-884313-02-7, It has lots of day and = wekkend trips along the Mid-Atlantic. =20 Next, I am not sure where exactly you live, but I love day and overnites = up to Gettysburg PA. As the weather warms, the parks are great, there = are great Restaraunts in the area, and wonderful roads in the area. You = could also try Berekeley Springs WV, Right up Rt522 from Winchester, up = to Deep Creek... This arae is rich in riding destinations, Just pick = direction and ride. Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: David Cross To: 'dc' Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:44 PM Subject: Plan a ride for me please. >Ok I need someone to suggest a good weekend getaway for me and my wife. >We will be riding on my VFR and my wife can handle about 300 miles of >riding in a day (maybe less). The destination is not as important as >the journey (as is the case with most rides). I would imagine that we >would head out Saturday morning, stay overnight somewhere and arrive >back home sometime early Sunday evening. Most of the riding we have >done has been down south or into West Virginia so I would like to go up >North for a change but would welcome any suggestions. It would be = nice >if we did have a specific "site to see" but again thats second to a = good >ride. =20 > >I am thinking that some of you guys might have favorite >rides/destinations that you wouldnt mind sharing. Thanks for the help, >Im trying to plan my spring activities early. > >Dave > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 17:48:11 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16447 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA09622; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:47:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-61.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.189) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009344; Thu Mar 4 16:44:41 1999 Message-ID: <001c01be6690$58990660$bd5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "Charles L. Rosen" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Valkyrie Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:42:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I got to test ride one, and I must admit, it was GREAT!!, At first it = seems so Big and intimidating, at least to me at 5'6" but once your on = the thing,its as comfortable as a lounge chair and low enough to = maneuver with ease. Did not feel top heavy at all. If I was looking = for a cruiser/tourer I would seriously consider it. The only thing I = would want is either a model with a windshield or an aftermarket = windshield for highway cruising, because you are left hanging out in the = breeze. Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Charles L. Rosen To: dc-cycles Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:52 PM Subject: Valkyrie >I have a friend who has been riding a PC800 for a while. Last year put = a >deposit on a HD, not ude for a few more months. I recently gave him a = copy >of MCN to look at, not realzing that it was the issue with a cruiser >comparo. Now he is thinking about a Valkyrie instead (MCN loved it, HD = came >in fourth). Anybody got one? Like it? General comments from the = peanut >gallery. Having never ridden a cruiser, never mind owned one (I'm on = my >third VFR), I don't know what to tell him. He is looking for guidance. >Thanks in advance, >Charles Rosen > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 19:30:24 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18324 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10IiUT-0007CU-00; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:29:21 -0500 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA24066; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:30:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003501be669f$746ebc40$afc809c0@jay> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:31:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 When I registered my bike in the communist-wealth of VA, I didn't really want to put stickers all over it. I actually found a little metal plate for sale at *cough, cough* Coleman's which bolted to the bottom of your license plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). Anyway, if they still sell them, it was only about $3. Makes it real easy. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 21:20:16 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA20118 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:20:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990305022408.11535.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [151.200.123.6] by web307.yahoomail.com; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 18:24:08 PST Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Suggestions? To: "Jay St. Peter" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I went to Colemans this afternoon to ask about it. They don't sell them anymore because they are illegal in Virginia (because they are removable) Louis ---"Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > When I registered my bike in the communist-wealth of VA, I didn't really > want to put stickers all over it. I actually found a little metal plate for > sale at *cough, cough* Coleman's which bolted to the bottom of your license > plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote > me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). > Anyway, if they still sell them, it was only about $3. Makes it real easy. > > Jay St. Peter > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 21:27:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20235 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18396 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07522 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:27:18 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vOBEa16609 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:24:55 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <4c6caa70.36df4077@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:24:55 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Rump lights? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 23:09:13 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22045 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-7.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.48]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA05732 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: <029201be66bd$77910f40$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:05:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 If theft is a worry, and risk is not -- a color xerox of the sticker with or without a "contact this *telno*" or some such. Could be worth a try for non-govt situations though might attract flack. Or could keep the copy for emergencies. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Averse to sticker shock of all kinds Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX >Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely >ruining my bike? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 23:09:57 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22065 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA18987 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:12:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:12:09 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: "'dc'" Subject: introduction Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there, I'm new to the list and just wanted to introduce myslef briefly: my name is Erik and I am grad student at GW. I bide my time riding a crusty old CX500, which has the benefit of low desirability to thieves in the DC area. I got my motorcycling start riding through Vietnam on a Soviet built bike on a semester abroad as an undergrad. At the moment I am looking to buy a good used KLR650 dual sport bike, but am in no particular rush given monetary constraints (something I'm sure none of you have ever exerienced, right?). In any case, my webpage offers an abbriviated account of my journeys in Vietnam, with more pictures than text, which some people tell me me is acutally more to the point. You can find it at: http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig Anyway, I'll stop clogging the list now. Been lurking for two days now and can't say I don't enjoy it. All the best, Erik. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 23:33:31 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22469 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.25]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:25:03 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Erik Schelzig" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: introduction Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:26:17 -0500 Message-ID: <010a01be66c0$4fba0e60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Anyway, I'll stop clogging the list now. Been lurking for two days now >and can't say I don't enjoy it. All the best, Give us time. One of us will piss you off sooner or later. ;) Welcome. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 00:15:26 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23234 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA23230; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:12:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000c01be66c7$7ac4de80$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Erik Schelzig" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: introduction Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:17:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Welcome to the list Erik! -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Erik Schelzig To: 'dc' Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:25 PM Subject: introduction >Hi there, > >I'm new to the list and just wanted to introduce myslef briefly: my name >is Erik and I am grad student at GW. I bide my time riding a crusty old >CX500, which has the benefit of low desirability to thieves in the DC >area. I got my motorcycling start riding through Vietnam on a Soviet >built bike on a semester abroad as an undergrad. At the moment I am >looking to buy a good used KLR650 dual sport bike, but am in no particular >rush given monetary constraints (something I'm sure none of you have ever >exerienced, right?). In any case, my webpage offers an abbriviated >account of my journeys in Vietnam, with more pictures than text, which >some people tell me me is acutally more to the point. You can find it at: > >http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig > >Anyway, I'll stop clogging the list now. Been lurking for two days now >and can't say I don't enjoy it. All the best, > >Erik. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 01:56:57 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA24838 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id BAA00489 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:56:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:56:34 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Valkyrie In-Reply-To: <001c01be6690$58990660$bd5e23c7@uspppshephar1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The 'Valkyrie Interstate' comes with a touring winshield and mounted hard-bags... Saw a picture of it, it's sorta half way between the Valk and the Goldwing from which it was derived. - Brian On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Ken wrote: > If I was looking for a cruiser/tourer I would seriously consider it. > The only thing I would want is either a model with a windshield or an > aftermarket windshield for highway cruising, because you are left > hanging out in the breeze. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 04:34:13 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA28847 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 04:34:12 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id xHGTa23612; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 04:33:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 04:33:21 EST To: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Plan a ride for me please. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Check out Falling Waters. Its a house designed by Frank Lloyd Wright in sout central PA! Great ride early n the spring-to many tourists later. House is stunning. Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 07:07:55 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01317 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:06:03 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263E9E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:06:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) You can buy these plates at the Harley dealer in Fort Washington, MD. I picked mine up for the VFR back in November. Mine is stainless steel and ran about $15. Glenn >I went to Colemans this afternoon to ask about it. They don't sell >them anymore because they are illegal in Virginia (because they are >removable) > > When I registered my bike in the communist-wealth of VA, I didn't really > want to put stickers all over it. I actually found a little metal plate for > sale at *cough, cough* Coleman's which bolted to the bottom of your license > plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote > me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). > Anyway, if they still sell them, it was only about $3. Makes it real easy. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 07:12:02 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01331 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263E9F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: introduction Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:10:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) What a great way to encourage a new list member! Welcome Erik. Be sure to stick around long enough for one of the DC Cycles parties. Glenn >Anyway, I'll stop clogging the list now. Been lurking for two days now >and can't say I don't enjoy it. All the best, >Give us time. One of us will piss you off sooner or later. ;) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 07:19:09 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01494 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s28.wizard.net [206.161.15.58]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA15963 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:19:06 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Bikenapping? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:21:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be6702$b9dcbf80$3a0fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Cop Accused Of Motorcycle Ransom - (BRIDGEPORT) -- A Bridgeport police officer has been suspended without pay on charges he stole motorcycles... and then held them for ransom. Investigators say 27-year-old Elias Delarosa could face other charges besides the larceny and extortion counts already brought against him. Delarosa was released without bail. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 08:55:39 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02919 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A24A4810282; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:55:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990305083021.01906bf0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:46:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Inspection Stickers Location [was: Suggestions?] In-Reply-To: <19990305022408.11535.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 09:24 PM 3/4/99 , Louis F. Caplan wrote: >I went to Colemans this afternoon to ask about it. They don't sell >them anymore because they are illegal in Virginia (because they are >removable) Did they actually refer to a specific law? All this sounds fishy to me. I searched through the VA laws online (http://leg1.state.va.us/) and found nothing about displaying stickers on a "removable" plate. Windshields are okay, and they're removable! Attaching a sticker to the paintwork of a motorcycle is as unaccepatable as attaching it to the paintwork of a car. Anyway, =A7 46.2-1163 says the sticker on a windshield-less vehicle shall be placed "in a location designated by the Superintendent.", but I doubt there is one specific location specified for motorcycles, though the left front fork leg is the most common (note - fork legs are covered by fenders on some bikes). =A7 46.2-1164 says you can get a replacement inspection sticker by showing your receipt (the pink carbon copy). This illustrates that the receipt shows ownership and valid inspection, not the sticker itself. =A7 46.2-1173 says it's illegal to display an inspection sticker issued to another vehicle. If an officer suspects you of doing that, then he/she has to prove the sticker is not for your vehicle (the most common way of doing that would be to ask for the pink receipt - I've had to show that (for a car) if the inspection sticker looks like it's been transferred from another windshield. All that said, I think placing the sticker(s) on a professional-looking plate, that looks non-removable if possible, and placed on the side of the bike, is probably the best bet. (The side of the bike so it's not up by the license plate drawing attention). And always carry your receipt. Any other experiences out there? Chris Norloff ----------------------------------------------- =A7 46.2-1163=20 Official inspection stations; safety inspection approval stickers; actions of Superintendent subject to the Administrative Process Act=20 "..There also shall be placed on the windshield of the vehicle at a place to be designated by the Superintendent an approval sticker furnished by the Department of State Police. If any vehicle is not equipped with a windshield, the approval sticker shall be placed on the vehicle in a location designated by the Superintendent. This sticker shall be displayed on the windshield of such vehicle or at such other designated place upon the vehicle at all times when it is operated on the highways in the Commonwealth and until such time as a new inspection period shall be designated and a new inspection sticker issued...." ------------------------------------------------- =A7 46.2-1164=20 Reinspection not required when windshield replaced; transfer of inspection sticker to new windshield; replacement of lost or damaged stickers=20 ... The Superintendent may designate certain State Police officers to issue safety inspection approval stickers to vehicles from which the original valid safety inspection approval sticker has been lost, stolen or damaged without causing the vehicle to be reinspected, provided the vehicle owner or operator produces the original safety inspection approval sticker receipt issued to the vehicle within the past eleven months.... ------------------------------------------------ =A7 46.2-1173=20 Imitation or counterfeit inspection stickers=20 ... No person shall display or cause or permit to be displayed upon any vehicle any safety inspection sticker knowing it to be fictitious or issued for another vehicle.=20 ----------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 08:55:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02918 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A2494810282; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:55:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990305082319.01905f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:25:44 -0500 To: , jay.stpeter@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <003501be669f$746ebc40$afc809c0@jay> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:31 PM 3/4/99 , Jay St. Peter wrote: >When I registered my bike in the communist-wealth of VA, I didn't really >want to put stickers all over it. I actually found a little metal plate for >sale at *cough, cough* Coleman's which bolted to the bottom of your license >plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote >me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). Really? What was the specific charge? Did they stop you for the stickers, or was this an "attitude stop"? Did they tell you how to display the stickers on a bike with out defacing it? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 09:38:03 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03835 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10Ivil-00077s-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:36:59 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28887 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NH5AK>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:43:02 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7F3@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:42:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > At 07:31 PM 3/4/99 , Jay St. Peter wrote: > >When I registered my bike in the communist-wealth of VA, I > didn't really > >want to put stickers all over it. I actually found a little > metal plate for > >sale at *cough, cough* Coleman's which bolted to the bottom > of your license > >plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until > the cops wrote > >me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). I guess the thinking is that if you have stickers on a removable plate, and you have multiple motorcycles you would really only need one set of stickers. Just transfer them form bike to bike depending on what you ride that day. Dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 09:44:08 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03931 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:44:05 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA24981; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:45:10 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024779; Fri, 5 Mar 99 09:44:17 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8400AZCMAKUO@XXXXXX>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672B.0050ADF5 ; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:40:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:36:38 -0500 Subject: RE: Suggestions? To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525672B.00505BE1.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It's my understanding that the law says to mount the stickers to the left fork leg. I wouldn't really consider this "defacement" of the moto*, but I can see how it might seem that way to some. The law about non-removable stickers is presumably so that you won't be able to use the same stickers for multiple bikes, thus avoiding your tax responsibility. Chris Weaver * anything that serves to cover up a part of my bike probably improves its appearance. =^) From: Chris Norloff Really? What was the specific charge? Did they stop you for the stickers, or was this an "attitude stop"? Did they tell you how to display the stickers on a bike with out defacing it? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 10:17:27 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04495 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10IwKt-0000eY-00; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:16:23 -0500 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09920; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:17:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701be671b$61129be0$afc809c0@jay> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:18:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 The charge was something like improper display of stickers. They don't allow stickers on an easily removable part, like a plate bolted to your license plate. It was one of those tickets that you can take care of by just showing the officer that you've moved the stickers. Oddly enough that was all I was pulled over for (although that was my 3rd time that month because I didn't realize all the sticker laws in Va., got pulled in both cages and the bike -- thought I was golden on the bike) Jay St. Peter >>plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote >>me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). > > >Really? What was the specific charge? Did they stop you for the stickers, >or was this an "attitude stop"? Did they tell you how to display the >stickers on a bike with out defacing it? > >thanks, >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 10:28:00 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04687 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA08050; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:26:05 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990305152642.RJYG1437@toddnt>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:26:42 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Erik Schelzig" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: introduction Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:24:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be671c$489d34c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Anyway, I'll stop clogging the list now. Been lurking for two days now > and can't say I don't enjoy it. All the best, > > Erik. Welcome in Erik, and congratz on your new daughter. This isn't your typical oil/tire moto-list but we do get into the helmet/gun control issues fairly frequently =:0 Stick around and participate. Love to have a political scientists point of view on some of these crazy threads we have. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 10:41:23 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04870 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB1E6D3028A; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:41:18 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990305104035.01917190@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:43:27 -0500 To: "Jay St. Peter" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <001701be671b$61129be0$afc809c0@jay> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:18 AM 3/5/99 , Jay St. Peter wrote: >The charge was something like improper display of stickers. They don't >allow stickers on an easily removable part, like a plate bolted to your >license plate. It was one of those tickets that you can take care of by >just showing the officer that you've moved the stickers. Oddly enough that >was all I was pulled over for... Thanks. I'd sure like to know the actual law they use, I'll have to ask the next LEO I see. "Improper display" sounds like a catch-all to be used when they don't have something specific. I can see the point about not having the stickers easily transferrable to another vehicle, and I also see the point about not defacing the paint on a bike. I guess it comes down to displaying the stickers in a discreet manner, and who has the responsibility here-- us to display them in a permanent manner, or the officer to check if you're trying to get away with something. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 10:56:11 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05146 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA00690 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:55:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection Stickers Location [was: Suggestions?] In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990305083021.01906bf0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I agree - where they put the sticker on my YZF (left front fork) is basically non-visable because it's blocked by the fairing. It's quite possibly the dumbest location they could have chosen, but it was there when I bought the bike. I just got a new Harley, but purchased it in MD. I'm going to get it inspected this week and also am planning on getting one of the plates from Fort Wash HD.=20 - Brian On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Did they actually refer to a specific law? >=20 > Anyway, =A7 46.2-1163 says the sticker on a windshield-less vehicle shall= be > placed "in a location designated by the Superintendent.", but I doubt the= re > is one specific location specified for motorcycles, though the left front > fork leg is the most common (note - fork legs are covered by fenders on > some bikes). >=20 > =A7 46.2-1164 says you can get a replacement inspection sticker by showin= g > your receipt (the pink carbon copy). This illustrates that the receipt > shows ownership and valid inspection, not the sticker itself. >=20 > =A7 46.2-1173 says it's illegal to display an inspection sticker issued t= o > another vehicle. If an officer suspects you of doing that, then he/she h= as > to prove the sticker is not for your vehicle (the most common way of doin= g > that would be to ask for the pink receipt - I've had to show that (for a > car) if the inspection sticker looks like it's been transferred from > another windshield. >=20 > All that said, I think placing the sticker(s) on a professional-looking > plate, that looks non-removable if possible, and placed on the side of th= e > bike, is probably the best bet. (The side of the bike so it's not up by > the license plate drawing attention). And always carry your receipt. >=20 > Any other experiences out there? >=20 > Chris Norloff >=20 >=20 > ----------------------------------------------- > =A7 46.2-1163=20 > Official inspection stations; safety inspection approval stickers; action= s > of Superintendent subject to the Administrative Process Act=20 >=20 > "..There also shall be placed on the windshield of the vehicle at a place > to be designated by the Superintendent an approval sticker furnished by t= he > Department of State Police. If any vehicle is not equipped with a > windshield, the approval sticker shall be placed on the vehicle in a > location designated by the Superintendent. This sticker shall be displaye= d > on the windshield of such vehicle or at such other designated place upon > the vehicle at all times when it is operated on the highways in the > Commonwealth and until such time as a new inspection period shall be > designated and a new inspection sticker issued...." > ------------------------------------------------- > =A7 46.2-1164=20 > Reinspection not required when windshield replaced; transfer of inspectio= n > sticker to new windshield; replacement of lost or damaged > stickers=20 > ... > The Superintendent may designate certain State Police officers to issue > safety inspection approval stickers to vehicles from which the original > valid safety inspection approval sticker has been lost, stolen or damaged > without causing the vehicle to be reinspected, provided the vehicle owner > or operator produces the original safety inspection approval sticker > receipt issued to the vehicle within the > past eleven months.... > ------------------------------------------------ > =A7 46.2-1173=20 > Imitation or counterfeit inspection stickers=20 > ... > No person shall display or cause or permit to be displayed upon any vehic= le > any safety inspection sticker knowing it to be fictitious or issued for > another vehicle.=20 > ----------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 11:41:18 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06043 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10558 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:40:17 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10168EB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Another Bonus from Erebuni Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:40:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Since we've had a lot of new listers subscribe recently that might not have heard of this offer, I'm forwarding it again... It is for real... I've gotten several issues of each magazine so far... Enjoy Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX [SMTP:ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 11:36 AM > Subject: Another Bonus from Erebuni > > Dear Loyal Visitor: > > At Erebuni, we really appreciate your involvement with our site, and are > delighted you've taken advantage of our Motor Trend Magazine Bonus.... > > We've now arranged for you to receive a FREE one year (12 issues), fully > paid > subscription to Motorcyclist Magazine. This subscription has been > purchased > by Erebuni, and is absolutely no cost to you. > > To receive your free subscription, please fill out the required > information at > this private URL: > > http://www.sungift.com/erebunimotorcyclist > > Your first issue will arrive in six to ten weeks. But, don't delay -- > this > URL and offer will be inactive after March 15. > > Thanks again for your continued patronage. Please continue to visit our > site, > and enjoy the magazine! > > Your friends @ Erebuni > http://www.erebuni.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 12:46:51 1999 Return-Path: riders@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07393 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (209-122-214-123.s377.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.123]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27498; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C5B904.242A@erols.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 12:40:20 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Suggestions? References: <001701be671b$61129be0$afc809c0@jay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I have had a couple of LE people tell me that the way mine are displayed is the way they should be done. Everything visible from the rear!! Jay St. Peter wrote: > > The charge was something like improper display of stickers. They don't > allow stickers on an easily removable part, like a plate bolted to your > license plate. It was one of those tickets that you can take care of by > just showing the officer that you've moved the stickers. Oddly enough that > was all I was pulled over for (although that was my 3rd time that month > because I didn't realize all the sticker laws in Va., got pulled in both > cages and the bike -- thought I was golden on the bike) > > Jay St. Peter > > >>plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote > >>me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). > > > > > >Really? What was the specific charge? Did they stop you for the stickers, > >or was this an "attitude stop"? Did they tell you how to display the > >stickers on a bike with out defacing it? > > > >thanks, > >Chris Norloff > > > > > > > > -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 14:00:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08892 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA16471; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:59:36 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990305190014.SPPL1437@toddnt>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:00:14 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Another Bonus from Erebuni Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01be673a$1c321180$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10168EB@MSCEX> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal How long does this take Collin? I signed up for both Motorcyclist and Motortrend, back before Christmas. Todd > Since we've had a lot of new listers subscribe recently that > might not have > heard of this offer, I'm forwarding it again... > It is for real... I've gotten several issues of each magazine so far... > Enjoy > Collin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX [SMTP:ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 11:36 AM > > Subject: Another Bonus from Erebuni > > > > Dear Loyal Visitor: > > > > http://www.sungift.com/erebunimotorcyclist > > Your friends @ Erebuni > > http://www.erebuni.net > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 14:24:21 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09416 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF6145E027C; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:24:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990305131121.0191b630@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:15:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <36C5B904.242A@erols.com> References: <001701be671b$61129be0$afc809c0@jay> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I >have had a couple of LE people tell me that the way mine are displayed >is the way they should be done. Everything visible from the rear!! That makes sense. And it's funny that LEO's said yours was good but ticketed Jay. Somedays you get the elevator and somedays you get the shaft. Jay brought up the interesting point that license plates are not required to be permanently mounted! A screwdriver is all it takes for many. So why is an inspection sticker more important than a license plate? Mine is held on with wingnuts (those little reflector-buttons) and I guess is quicker to remove than getting out a wrench to unbolt the inspection sticker plate. (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep them). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 14:30:50 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09614 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA27156; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:30:15 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990305193027.STPE1437@toddnt>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:30:27 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Art Crow" , "Jay St. Peter" Cc: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:28:22 -0500 Message-ID: <002801be673e$54d808b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <36C5B904.242A@erols.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal This actually brings up a good point. If a plate behind the license plate is so easy to remove, the license plate is just as easy to remove, right? If I had this set-up, or variation of it, I'd have to take the day off from work to fight the ticket and pretty much point all this out to the cops and court. Then pay my fine :) Todd > > Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I > have had a couple of LE people tell me that the way mine are displayed > is the way they should be done. Everything visible from the rear!! > > > Jay St. Peter wrote: > > > > The charge was something like improper display of stickers. They don't > > allow stickers on an easily removable part, like a plate bolted to your > > license plate. It was one of those tickets that you can take care of by > > just showing the officer that you've moved the stickers. Oddly > enough that > > was all I was pulled over for (although that was my 3rd time that month > > because I didn't realize all the sticker laws in Va., got pulled in both > > cages and the bike -- thought I was golden on the bike) > > > > Jay St. Peter > > > > >>plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until > the cops wrote > > >>me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). > > > > > > > > >Really? What was the specific charge? Did they stop you for > the stickers, > > >or was this an "attitude stop"? Did they tell you how to display the > > >stickers on a bike with out defacing it? > > > > > >thanks, > > >Chris Norloff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Art Crow > 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" > 1996 JRT, "Higgins" > 1998 JRT, "Diva" > "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is > better." > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 16:09:50 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11530 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10J1pt-0002kL-00; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:08:45 -0500 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24029; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:09:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006901be674c$9b65d470$afc809c0@jay> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Todd Peer" , "Art Crow" Cc: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:10:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I actually pointed that out to the officer. He was not entirely amused. It was the kind of ticket that you don't really have to fight or pay. You just have to fix it and go by the station to show the officer. I'd have probably gone to court if there was money involved. I always do, just to cost them something for my financial loss. I usually lose, but I argue my point until the judge gets really annoyed :) Todd Wrote: >This actually brings up a good point. If a plate behind the license plate >is so easy to remove, the license plate is just as easy to remove, right? > >If I had this set-up, or variation of it, I'd have to take the day off from >work to fight the ticket and pretty much point all this out to the cops and >court. Then pay my fine :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 16:18:12 1999 Return-Path: ewinslow@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11696 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (ewinslow@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09002; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:18:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Winslow To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990305131121.0191b630@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: > >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I > > (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've > been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep them). > > Chris Norloff > So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done exactly? Eric '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 16:54:48 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12336 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from My ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA02443; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:56:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199903052256.RAA02443@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: Eric Winslow Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:54:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Suggestions? CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <4.1.19990305131121.0191b630@mail.toward.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Eric, They are really simple to use, but you need to buy the Pop-rivit gun and the rivits to go with it. You can find one at any good hardware store. They are fairly cheap, and really handy if you do anything with sheet metal. It works by enlarging one side of the rivit wider than the hole it is inserted in, effectively squeezing the two pieces of metal together. Go out and get one- they are alot of fun! -John Newman 88 FZR 400 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: > >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I > > (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've > been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep them). > > Chris Norloff > So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done exactly? Eric '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 17:05:29 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12614 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D4YTSB4N; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:04:11 EST To: ewinslow@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suggestions? Message-ID: <19990301.163900.5159.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,9-12,14,16-20 From: Bikes R Us Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:04:11 EST With a rivet gun... Okay. Sorry. Someone was going to say it, so it might as well have been me. You can buy a riveting tool at Hechinger or Home Despot for only a little money. Somebody you know might have one, though. Ask around. I've seen a wide variety of custom (read: homemade) sticker plates on bikes at places like GMU when I've visited there. Most of them were mounted down at the bottom of the front fork or on or near the swingarm or chain cover, as I recall. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:18:05 -0500 (EST) Eric Winslow writes: >So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done exactly? > >Eric >'93 GS500E >1-800-AMA-JOIN ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 18:59:19 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14566 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:59:17 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DCVGa26212; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:57:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:57:11 EST To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Plan a ride for me please. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/5/99 4:40:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, McKeithen@XXXXXX writes: << Check out Falling Waters. Its a house designed by Frank Lloyd Wright in sout central PA! Great ride early n the spring-to many tourists later. House is stunning. Bob >> I agree. My folks live about 40-50 miles from there and it's on my route home from DC to PA. It is a site to see. Even better surrounded by snow. Which is something PA has this week, 2'-3' of it in the mountains. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 19:30:18 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15164 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (207-172-121-220.s220.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.121.220]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29952 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:30:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701be6832$0d5e7420$dc79accf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Damons Sunday Night Called Off Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:32:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6808.2327F1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6808.2327F1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please disregard my previous post re: meeting at Damons in Woodbridge on = Sunday to watch the Daytona 200. I have accepted an invitation from a = buddy of mine who is a salesman at Coleman's to watch the race at his = house. I hope I did not cause anyone any inconvenience. Have fun = watching the race! Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6808.2327F1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please disregard my previous post = re: meeting at=20 Damons in Woodbridge on Sunday to watch the Daytona 200.  I have = accepted=20 an invitation from a buddy of mine who is a salesman at Coleman's to = watch the=20 race at his house.  I hope I did not cause anyone any = inconvenience. =20 Have fun watching the race!
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6808.2327F1C0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 01:31:07 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21284 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18027; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA15748; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA05078; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:22:27 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36E0C9A2.9695AD43@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 01:22:26 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbr-digest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: BC800 WS Measurement??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow Pilots, I installed my BC800 last week & I've noticed that the BC is always 3-4 mph slower than the stock mounted speedo. This is to be expected. My question is regarding the wheel size measurement process. The instructions that came with this product says that you should measure the height of the wheel, convert to mm, multiply by 3.14 & divide by 1.61. So this is what I came up with. The wheel height was 23.5 inches. Converting to mm, 23.5 x 25.4 = 596.9 x 3.14 = 1874.27 / 1.61 = 1164. At the time, I was not very confident with my results. So I toook my bicycle (Trek hybrid), used the dimensions that are imprinted on the wall of the tire, used the scale table that's included with the directions to see what the manufacturer came up with & then I followed the same directions mentioned above on my bicycle & compared the scale table measurement to my manual process & came pretty close to the manufacturers results. The web page (www.sportbikes.com/bc700.htm) that documents the process of installing one of these babies does an excellent job of describing how to do it although to me, it was a waste of time because it's so simple to install. What confused me is the way he measures the front tires circumference & then mutiplies by .03937 & that's all he does. No multiplication of 3.14 & no division of 1.61. Hmmm. I tried this procedure today & the numbers were very different from what I came up with. I understand why he didn't multiply by 3.14 because I did a height measurement I had to multiply bye 3.14, whereas if you measure the circumference, this is not necessary. But I don't know why he didn't divide by 1.61. Has anyone compared the instructions from the manufacturer to the instructions on the web page & found different results? Thanks, DJ "Change is invetible, survival is optional" From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 01:39:08 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21395 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20781; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA15914; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA05082; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:30:58 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36E0CBA2.B4468559@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 01:30:58 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbr-=digest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Baby Got New Shoes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bought "Charity" some new shoes today. Dunlop D207's. So far I like the way they roll, although without sufficient scrubbing & warm pavement, I won't be able see how well they really stick. I'm very paranoid about cold tires & cold streets. I found out the hard way that without heated tires & preferably warm streets, you run the risk of leaning all the way over & kissing the pavement. So I was taking curves like a (70) year old newbie on a Goldwing, damn near straight up. No offense senior citizens, but that's how I felt. Anyway, in a few weeks, things will start to warm up for good here in Maryland & then we'll see how these compare to the Metzler ME1's I used to buy. DJ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 09:44:56 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02041 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA15237; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:46:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01be67e0$83fbb900$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "djonesj" , , Subject: Re: Baby Got New Shoes Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:49:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Believe me... they are tons better at sticking to the road than the MEZs. I have used both MEZ1s and MEZ2s and the Dunlops are the best I've ever owned. You won't be sorry... -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: djonesj To: cbr-=digest@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 1:48 AM Subject: Baby Got New Shoes >Bought "Charity" some new shoes today. Dunlop D207's. So far I like the >way they roll, although without sufficient scrubbing & warm pavement, I >won't be able see how well they really stick. I'm very paranoid about >cold tires & cold streets. I found out the hard way that without heated >tires & preferably warm streets, you run the risk of leaning all the way >over & kissing the pavement. So I was taking curves like a (70) year old >newbie on a Goldwing, damn near straight up. No offense senior citizens, >but that's how I felt. Anyway, in a few weeks, things will start to warm >up for good here in Maryland & then we'll see how these compare to the >Metzler ME1's I used to buy. > >DJ > From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 10:47:22 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03019 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:47:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990306154811.10454.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.113.13] by web310.yahoomail.com; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 07:48:11 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:48:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: BC800 WS Measurement??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Hmmm... sounds like convertion problems somewhere..but also note that > he is describing the entry process for the 700, not the 800. They may > be slightly different. I didn't look too closely at the directions, > but I thought all you had to do was enter tire circumference in mm.... > Not sure where the 1.61 comes from... > > The number he used is simply 1/25.4 which is the same as your > multiplying the inches * 25.4. > > I believe someone on the list has the 700 model, maybe they can > comment on the directions listed for it.... again, I just can't figure > out what the 1.61 is...but hey... we all know how I am with converting > to metrics :) > Collin > > ---djonesj wrote: > > > The web page (www.sportbikes.com/bc700.htm) that documents the > process > > of installing one of these babies does an excellent job of describing > > how to do it although to me, it was a waste of time because it's so > > simple to install. What confused me is the way he measures the front > > tires circumference & then mutiplies by .03937 & that's all he does. > No > > multiplication of 3.14 & no division of 1.61. Hmmm. I tried this > > procedure today & the numbers were very different from what I came up > > with. I understand why he didn't multiply by 3.14 because I did a > height > > measurement I had to multiply bye 3.14, whereas if you measure the > > circumference, this is not necessary. But I don't know why he didn't > > divide by 1.61. > > > > Has anyone compared the instructions from the manufacturer to the > > instructions on the web page & found different results? > > > > Thanks, DJ > > > > "Change is invetible, survival is optional" > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 10:48:13 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03037 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:48:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990306154904.10513.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.113.13] by web310.yahoomail.com; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 07:49:04 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:49:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fwd: Re: Baby Got New Shoes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > You will notice the bike turn in a lot quicker with the dunlops. > Their triangular profile is a very different feel than the MEZ/Pirelli > rounded profiles. > > You'd be surprised at how well the tires warm up and handle, even on > cooler pavement... yesterday was actully quite nice, and I found > myself zipping everywhere awefully fast on the maxim and blowing the > rust off the ends of the pegs....I thought it was a bit funny that I > had to hang quite a ways off the bike just to take the corner at the > end of the street as fast as I wanted to ;-) > > Just watch your tire pressures and get them right for the temps, and > you should be able to ride fairly normal speeds.... > Collin > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 14:56:20 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.187]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06645 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:56:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990306200109.25087.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.113.13] by web305.yahoomail.com; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:01:09 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:01:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Another Bonus from Erebuni To: Todd Peer , "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It took a couple of months..... sounds like you should start getting them any day now... I got 3 at once (back to the date I signed up I think) the first time and then been getting them normal since... CT ---Todd Peer wrote: > > How long does this take Collin? I signed up for both Motorcyclist and > Motortrend, back before Christmas. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 7 10:06:01 1999 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24598 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:05:59 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2SQGa27991 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:05:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1fa61028.36e295ab@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:05:15 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: The World's Most Expensive Pizza Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sean and I shared pizza with Leon and Dale in Palm Coast, Florida Friday night. They were still thawing from the trip down, but otherwise seemed OK. They should be heading north as I type this. Happy Trails - Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 7 10:19:29 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24765 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12226 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:18:32 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.202]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990307151854.FCHP26537@[166.44.172.202]> for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:18:54 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: V65 Sabre Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:17:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be68ad$97275200$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sorry to post to all, but I seem to recall someone on DC-Cycles was looking for a Sabre. This looks like a pretty good deal, in IOWA. If you're interested, write to Rob P., not me. And let him know how you got the info too. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hsta@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-hsta@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Rob Parker > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 6:59 PM > To: Honda Sport Touring Association > Subject: V65 Sabre > > > I don't know if this is a good deal or not but it looked interesting to > me. A local dealer has very clean looking V65 Saber with 13k miles for > sale. He's asking $1750. If anyone here is interested, I will check into > it for you. > -- > Rob Parker > La Porte City Iowa > 93 ST1100P > STOC 218 > rob1@XXXXXX > "Is this Heaven?" "No, it's Iowa." > From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 7 12:21:43 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26606 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-199.s8.as4.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.199]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06398; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:21:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903071721.MAA06398@smtp3.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: , Subject: hot hissing battery Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:27:14 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings listers: I am the proud new daddy of a '99 VFR YEE HI! I was able to take it out for its first 100 miles yesterday and when I got home and turned it off, I heard a high pitched hissing sound coming from under the seat. I took my seat off and listened and found it was coming from the battery. I suppose it is gases leaking and I figured I would take the battery out and return it and get it replaced. I removed the battery connections and went to pull the battery out and it BURNED my fingers. It was so hot I had to let it sit and hiss for about 5 minutes before I could take it out. I don't remember ever touching a battery and it being to hot to touch. I am pretty sure I have a bad battery, but I thought I would get the list's opinion before I go in demanding (nicely of course:)) replacement. So what do you think? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 7 15:38:17 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.188]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29656 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:38:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990307204123.2221.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.113.13] by web306.yahoomail.com; Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:41:23 PST Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:41:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: hot hissing battery To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, your battery may very well be bad now, but I doubt it was the original culprit. It sounds very much like the voltage regulator is not doing its job properly, which, coincidentally, is a pretty common Honda fault, particularly on the VFR models. Strange to hear of somehting like that on a brand spanking new bike though.... I'd just ride it back to the dealer and let them take care of it... Collin ---"D. Thompson" wrote: I am pretty sure I > have a bad battery, but I thought I would get the list's opinion before I > go in demanding (nicely of course:)) replacement. So what do you think? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 7 18:49:05 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02737 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:49:04 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2HOMa22603 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:48:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:48:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: cherry blossom festival Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 know about this? what/when is it? any bike events related to this? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 07:56:46 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15787 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:56:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: SV650.. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:56:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) if anyone's interested in a write-up of a racers impression of the SV650.. let me know (it's long and I don't want to post it to the whole list) Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:08:15 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16013 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ABB737A0246; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:08:07 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308074848.018500f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 07:51:10 -0500 To: Eric Winslow From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Suggestions? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990305131121.0191b630@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: >> >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I >> >> (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've >> been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep >them). >> Chris Norloff >> >So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done >exactly? >Eric Buy a pop-rivet gun (cheap ones are $10-15), buy pop-rivets, insert pop-rivet into hole in license plate, use washers on each side if needed to keep the pop-rivet from pulling through, use the gun to pull the central mandrel of the rivet which causes the other end to mushroom (thus holding the rivet in place), then the mandrel breaks off making a satisfying "POP" sound. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:08:15 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16012 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ABB937A0246; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:08:09 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308075307.01817290@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 07:54:41 -0500 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:48 PM 3/7/99 , STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: >what/when is it? Celebrating the cherry tree blossoms around the Tidal Basin in DC. Sometime this spring. Of course, the cherry trees do not necessarily follow the scheduled events. :-) >any bike events related to this? Be a good idea to ride your bike there, so you have a chance at finding parking. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:18:52 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16213 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:19:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , Eric Winslow Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:19:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain And hope your state never changes its license plate. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:51 AM To: Eric Winslow Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suggestions? >> At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: >> >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I >> >> (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've >> been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep >them). >> Chris Norloff >> >So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done >exactly? >Eric Buy a pop-rivet gun (cheap ones are $10-15), buy pop-rivets, insert pop-rivet into hole in license plate, use washers on each side if needed to keep the pop-rivet from pulling through, use the gun to pull the central mandrel of the rivet which causes the other end to mushroom (thus holding the rivet in place), then the mandrel breaks off making a satisfying "POP" sound. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:23:30 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.187]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16301 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:23:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990308132827.4773.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web305.yahoomail.com; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 05:28:27 PST Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 05:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >what/when is it? > > Celebrating the cherry tree blossoms around the Tidal Basin in DC. > Sometime this spring. Of course, the cherry trees do not necessarily > follow the scheduled events. :-) They are so rude! :) The Parks department usually gives an estimate for when the blossoms will actually come out. So there are two popular times. The festival, and the actual blooming. > >any bike events related to this? > > Be a good idea to ride your bike there, so you have a chance at finding > parking. Also makes it easier to dodge clueless pedestrians who are looking at the trees and not the traffic. (speaking from experience here) Louis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:57:47 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16853 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A75616D01E8; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:57:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308090222.0182c4b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:05:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Scott Russell is a bone-head Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So, who watched the Daytona race yesterday? Miguell Duhamel won by a nose, after taking an early lead but then trading places with Mark Mladin (?) for many laps. And the pit stops were incredible! Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday and his face is too swollen to even get his helmet on. I have no idea what the details are, but he was supposed to ride the Harley Davidson -- I really wanted to see that! Harley didn't make much of a showing again, with Pascal Picotte out of the race fairly early. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:57:41 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16850 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A75016D01E8; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:57:36 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308085019.018190f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:52:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, pop-rivets are very easy to remove -- 5 seconds with a drill, even a battery-powered drill, and the head comes right off (easier with aluminum than with steel rivets, of course). As far as securing license plates, I figure the theif more likely carries a couple screwdrivers than a drill. Chris Norloff At 08:19 AM 3/8/99 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >And hope your state never changes its license plate. > >Mitch > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:51 AM >To: Eric Winslow >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Suggestions? > > >>> At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: >>> >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I >>> >>> (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've >>> been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep >>them). >>> Chris Norloff >>> >>So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done >>exactly? >>Eric > > >Buy a pop-rivet gun (cheap ones are $10-15), buy pop-rivets, insert >pop-rivet into hole in license plate, use washers on each side if needed to >keep the pop-rivet from pulling through, use the gun to pull the central >mandrel of the rivet which causes the other end to mushroom (thus holding >the rivet in place), then the mandrel breaks off making a satisfying "POP" >sound. > >Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:13:11 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17128 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 06:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Scott Russell is a bone-head Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 06:12:45 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > > So, who watched the Daytona race yesterday? Miguell Duhamel > won by a nose, > after taking an early lead but then trading places with Mark > Mladin (?) for > many laps. And the pit stops were incredible! Actually, it's Mat Mladin.. and he deserved a win.. (that boy's always 2nd/3rd.. and typicaly turning the fastest laps.. but his forte is definatally twisty stuff, not horespower wars like Daytona). Still, Kudos to Miguel for doing it on a still healing leg leg (smashed himself up pretty good last season). > Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday > and his face is > too swollen to even get his helmet on. Same bar that Arron Yates had his fight in last year right before the 200 (Razzles). That's all that's been let out so far.. sucks to be them. Oh-well.. Other news of interest.. Eric Bostrom (Honda #2 rider) crashed Friday and broke his leg.. so both the Honda top guns have injured legs.. And what happened to all the other 'Top Guns' of the AMA? Gobert.. last I saw, he was like 12th.. Chandler.. I think he got lapped.. about the only time I saw him. funny thing about Daytona.. it is the worst representation of how things might go in the season because of it's legnth, and the type of track... but still fun to watch. Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:19:31 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17212 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id JAA22350 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id JAA22346 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id JAA02611 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id JAA02607 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:22:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990308091640.0125fb70@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:16:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990308090222.0182c4b0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:05 AM 3/8/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: << Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday >> Well, yeah, now that he rides a Harley and all, he's got an image to look out for, ya know? :-) ;-) ;-> ^^^^^^^^^^^ Smilies for all the harley guys... Brad (Donning flame suit) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:26:22 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17305 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:26:20 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F22F7@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: Daytona 600 Supersport Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:52:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I wanted to check my facts before I posted this one. I saw an ad for this website while watching the Daytona 200. http://www.motoworld.net/ Miguel Duhamel also finishes Friday's 600 Supersport race in the number one spot on an F4 with team rider Kurtis Roberts in the number two spot. I wish I could have seen this one as well. Great weekend for Honda racing. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:26:27 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17307 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:26:15 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F22F3@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: Daytona 200 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:31:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) What a great race! Glad to see Miguel Duhamel/Team Honda win the Daytona 200. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:33:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17459 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:33:46 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA22912; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:35:04 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021078; Mon, 8 Mar 99 09:31:09 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8A00LPY5NI3B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672E.004F64BE ; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:27:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:22:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525672E.004F117F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I saw it. Taped it too, if someone wants a look. Miguel Duhamel is amazing. The guy was racing with an injured leg, as I understand, and won BOTH the 600 Supersport and the Superbike races. He and Matt Mladin (!) were in front of the rest of the pack in the Superbike race by as much as a full minute. The dicing between the two was great to watch, especially the final lap when it came right down to the finish line. I think Duhamel won by .026 of a second if I recall correctly. The race for third was won by .002 of a second! (although I forget who won third & fourth) FYI, Duhamel was on a Honda RC45 and Mladin was on a GSX-R750. Duhamel won the 600 Supersport title earlier on a CBR-F4 As for the Scott Russell mess, I feel sorry for Harley. They hire the guy thinking it's probably their only chance at winning races this season (particularly Daytona), and the idiot takes himself out of a race by doing something irresponsible in his off-time. Pascal Picotte, their other rider, then crashes out of the race early on, ruining any hopes even for points at Daytona. In my opinion, Russell's screw-up is right up there with Anthony Gobert's. I suppose at least he didn't break any AMA rules so he won't be out for a whole season. What an ass. Chris Weaver So, who watched the Daytona race yesterday? Miguell Duhamel won by a nose, after taking an early lead but then trading places with Mark Mladin (?) for many laps. And the pit stops were incredible! Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday and his face is too swollen to even get his helmet on. I have no idea what the details are, but he was supposed to ride the Harley Davidson -- I really wanted to see that! Harley didn't make much of a showing again, with Pascal Picotte out of the race fairly early. 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Caplan" Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Chris Norloff wrote: > Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday and his face is > too swollen to even get his helmet on. I have no idea what the details > are, but he was supposed to ride the Harley Davidson -- I really wanted to > see that! Harley didn't make much of a showing again, with Pascal Picotte > out of the race fairly early. According to the quote below, Russell claims he didn't provoke the fight at all. "I can't believe I'm not out there for the Daytona 200," stated Russell from his home in Conyers, Georgia. "I'm sorry that this happened. I did not provoke it in any way," added Russell. "I'd like to thank all my fans and say I'm sorry you won't be able to see my try to win my sixth Daytona 200 today. I wish my teammate Pascal Picotte the best of luck and I can't wait to get back on the track and win one for Harley-Davidson." (From AMA web pages) I was surprised when the ESPN Reporter started asking the HD folks if they were going to penalize Russell. From their own reporting, they didn't know how it happened, or who instigated the fight. For all they know, Russell could have been a bystander who got hit with a stray punch or something. I was disappointed though... I was really looking forward to seeing how he does on the Harley. Louis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:47:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17755 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3142FC0220; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:47:48 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308093952.01856b60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:42:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990308091640.0125fb70@ns2.pgcc.net> References: <4.1.19990308090222.0182c4b0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:16 AM 3/8/99 , Brad wrote: >At 09:05 AM 3/8/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: ><< Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday >> > >Well, yeah, now that he rides a Harley and all, he's got an image to look >out for, ya know? > >:-) ;-) ;-> > >^^^^^^^^^^^ >Smilies for all the harley guys... It gets worse, the fight (according to a guy on the BMW list who read the local paper) was at Razzles, described as a "teeny-bopper" place that caters to the 18 to 25 crowd. At least he could have been thumped by some Neandertal who didn't realize he was smashing Harley's best chance at Daytona! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:53:18 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17859 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA19053; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:52:41 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990308145238.MKYK26495@toddnt>; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:52:38 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "D. Thompson" , , Subject: RE: hot hissing battery Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:50:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be6973$1036e0a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <199903071721.MAA06398@smtp3.erols.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Brand new bike, and hot hissing battery. Sounds like an extremely early voltage regulator failure or the (closed cell?) battery wasn't filled properly. I'd take it back and have the dealer look it over. Todd > I suppose > it is gases leaking and I figured I would take the battery out and return > it and get it replaced. I removed the battery connections and went to pull > the battery out and it BURNED my fingers. It was so hot I had to From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 10:03:52 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18058 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 8 Mar 1999 15:03:49 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA12568 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:03:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:03:46 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990308093952.01856b60@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > It gets worse, the fight (according to a guy on the BMW list who read the > local paper) was at Razzles, described as a "teeny-bopper" place that > caters to the 18 to 25 crowd. At least he could have been thumped by some > Neandertal who didn't realize he was smashing Harley's best chance at Daytona! > > Chris Norloff There's NOTHING wrong with picking up 18 year old chicks at a bar! Heh, that cracks me up.. "Hey baby.. I race motorcycles.. want to see how well I can ride?" Mwahaha. Actually, I have to say I'm far more interested in watching him now than I was before. And all this talk of harley penalizing.. pshaw.. They'll prolly put out a line of spiked knuckles.. 'commemorative Scott Russel edition.. for knocking out the boyfriends of the 18 year old girls you're hitting on'.. I love it :P Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 10:53:04 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18862 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A07672400F2; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 10:44:54 EST Message-ID: <36E3F23A.B9514017@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 10:52:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Begeman Leon Subject: Re: The World's Most Expensive Pizza References: <1fa61028.36e295ab@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I didn't eat any of that pizza/carbohydrate death stuff. :) It was good seeing Father and Son Jordan down at the Party. I had a great time at the Pizza Party and the Daytona Bikeweek show. We rode back pretty hard yesterday, I didn't realize Daytona is only 12 hours away from home! = 8-] I'm also including what Leon sent about the trip, I didn't see it on DC cycles yet. One of the funniest parts of the trip occurred as we were gearing up to leave the show Saturday night. Somebody came over to Leon and said that he was now convinced that John Deere really made motorcycles, since this guy had seen another one that looked just like it riding through Washington D.C. I guess he didn't check out our license plates. :) The award for the most resourceful Harley owner goes to the guy I saw ACTUALLY riding his bike north out of Daytona on I-95 as we were riding down. His bike had the big old ape-hanger bars on it, up over head level even, and the guy had mounted a windshield in between, bolted right to the bars. I thought it was pretty cool. :) Oh, and I have to add, I finally wimped out and bought a heated jacket liner from the Gerbing folks at the show. I couldn't pass up the deal once they offered another 15% off because Leon is a MSF instructor. That jacket liner kicked ass on the way home, I didn't even have to go to maximum cold-weather gear mode on the trip North. Had I tried to rough it, we'd probably still be in South Carolina somewhere by now. :) Dale Leon Begeman wrote: > Florida is warm. Here it isn't. Yesterdays stats coming back - 845.5 miles > in 12:52 with 11:39 of that spent moving faster than 5 mph. > Overall average speed: 65.7 mph. > Moving average speed: 72.6 mph. > Gas mileage at those speeds was poor. Dale mentioned setting a new all time > record low for the number of miles to reserve. My high mpg on the way home > was 51.6. Low was about 48 or so (while in Florida, riding between Orlando > and Daytona, I got 61 mpg) > > I suspect Dale lost a few more pounds yesterday. > > Leon. MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > Sean and I shared pizza with Leon and Dale in Palm Coast, Florida Friday > night. They were still thawing from the trip down, but otherwise seemed OK. > They should be heading north as I type this. > > Happy Trails - > > Michael J. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 10:59:36 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18959 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:59:34 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2BNHa15953; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:57:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <229fa318.36e3f379@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:57:45 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 it's a big to-do in DC when all the cherry trees start blooming ....it's gorgeous.....as for bike events.....somehow the loud rumbling of pipes and the spewing of exhaust fumes into the air somehow just don't seem to be a good fit with delicate, fragrant cherry blossoms ;D Marcy In a message dated 3/7/99 6:55:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, STARAI@XXXXXX writes: > know about this? what/when is it? > any bike events related to this? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 11:32:10 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19590 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: uhhhh.. Trust me.. :) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:30:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Ok, just on the off-chance someone Does trust me.. (and a few others.. to be named in private). Might someone have a mini-van they'd be willing to loan out this coming Saturday (March 13th). Attempting to get out of renting.. if at all possible.. :) Thanks to those who DON'T flame me.. and those who might be able to help (oh, doesn't have to be a mini-van.. anything that'll seat 7 will work - mostly all DC-Cycles people). Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 12:27:29 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20540 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:27:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990308172727.12794.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.113.13] by web302.yahoomail.com; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:27:27 PST Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:27:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I dunno, I kinda feel that the sweet vibrations of a motorcycle go quite well with ANY event. Then again, if I could find a way to make a living at it, I'd ride a bike all the waking hours of the day! As for the cherry blossum thing in particular, I think it would be nice riding around the mall able to see the sites and smell all the wonderful blossums and such while on a bike... CT ---JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: somehow the loud rumbling of pipes and the > spewing of exhaust fumes into the air somehow just don't seem to be a good fit > with delicate, fragrant cherry blossoms ;D _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 12:43:47 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20831 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:43:45 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2YTDa22603; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:35:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:35:49 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: more of the evil government *sigh* Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX YOU EVERY TIME YOU ACCESS THE INTERNET!!!. Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:23 AM Guess we realized the government would sooner or later find a way to tax us for using the Internet. Congress will be voting in less than two weeks. CNN stated that the the government would, in two weeks time, decide to allow or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a Long Distance call EACH time you access the Internet. The address is http://www.house.gov/writerep/ If you choose, visit the address above, fill out the necessary form and vote AGAINST this injustice!!!. If EACH one of us, forward this message on to others in a hurry, we may be able to prevent this injustice from happening! Please Pass This ON!!!!!!. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 12:45:50 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20909 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ACAE7040278; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:45:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308125026.017eb750@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:51:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival In-Reply-To: <19990308172727.12794.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:27 PM 3/8/99 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >I dunno, I kinda feel that the sweet vibrations of a motorcycle go >quite well with ANY event. Then again, if I could find a way to make >a living at it, I'd ride a bike all the waking hours of the day! Sweet vibrations? Okay, that does it ... you want sweet vibrations? Check this out-- http://www.viberider.com/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 12:45:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20912 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ACB17040278; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:45:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308124817.01861990@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:49:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: The World's Most Expensive Pizza In-Reply-To: <36E3F23A.B9514017@tidalwave.net> References: <1fa61028.36e295ab@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:52 AM 3/8/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >One of the funniest parts of the trip occurred as we were gearing >up to leave the show Saturday night. Somebody came over to Leon >and said that he was now convinced that John Deere really made >motorcycles, since this guy had seen another one that looked just >like it riding through Washington D.C. ha ha ha! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 12:46:51 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20955 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA01961 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:46:30 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:46:30 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The World's Most Expensive Pizza Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:46:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Sean and I shared pizza with Leon and Dale in Palm Coast, Florida Friday night. >Hey, I didn't eat any of that pizza/carbohydrate death stuff. :) My abject apologies to Dale - he was, in fact, being a good boy and sticking to his diet and did avoid the pizza. I'm pretty sure that I saw Leon scarf some, though... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 13:10:35 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21459 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 428; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:09:58 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990308130446.01aa00f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:09:56 -0500 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:35 PM 3/8/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX YOU EVERY TIME YOU ACCESS THE INTERNET!!!. I guess the best way to avoid arguments over stuff like this is to not send it to a mailing list. I'm guessing you didn't see the back and forth between todd and I last week on this very subject. It isn't true, don't write, don't forward it. ___________________________________________ “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 13:19:28 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21669 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A2E84F0090; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:11:52 EST Message-ID: <36E414AC.D79888C9@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:19:24 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The World's Most Expensive Pizza References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For me, Saturday was the most expensive day. Ended up ordering a new Nolan flip-front helmet, bought the electric jacket liner, some paint touch-up sticks for BugSlayer (could probably use gallons of the stuff - aughhh), some neck scarf thingies, and a throttle rocker. I was out of control. It was fun. :) Jordan, Michael wrote: > > >Hey, I didn't eat any of that pizza/carbohydrate death stuff. :) > > My abject apologies to Dale - he was, in fact, being a good boy and sticking > to his diet and did avoid the pizza. I stuffed myself with burger patties from Wendy's, tossing the buns. The hot chicken wings were pretty good, too. I like this diet. :) Didn't even really miss the pizza. Really. I was full. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 13:42:33 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22142 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A85076007C; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:34:56 EST Message-ID: <36E41A14.E2A5E5EC@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:42:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sigh. Just in the off chance this message is regarding the Senate Bill S.328, which is a bill to "To make permanent the moratorium on the imposition of taxes on the Internet", I think you would want to contact your CongressPerson and give indication that you SUPPORT this bill. Here's a URL I found: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c106:22:./temp/~c106Alg5YH:: It helps to look into things a bit further sometimes, instead of just forwarding "doom & gloom" emails like this blindly. The internet is a useful tool for doing this very thing. I'm surprised how few people actually use it constructively. It sort of sounds like someone in the "Evil Government", in this case the Sponsor of this bill, is on OUR side. Dale, just doing his bit to support the "Evil Government" today. PS: Notice I didn't say anything bad about AOL accounts this time. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) -- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX YOU EVERY TIME YOU ACCESS THE INTERNET!!!. > > Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:23 AM > > Guess we realized the government would sooner or later find a way to tax us > for using the Internet. > > Congress will be voting in less than two weeks. > > CNN stated that the the government would, in two weeks time, decide to > allow or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a Long Distance > call EACH time you access the Internet. > > The address is http://www.house.gov/writerep/ > > If you choose, visit the address above, fill out the necessary > form and vote AGAINST this injustice!!!. > > If EACH one of us, forward this message on to others in a hurry, we > may be able to prevent this injustice from happening! > > Please Pass This ON!!!!!!. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 13:43:40 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22172 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:43:39 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id oYWSa18758; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:23:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <71b6cdbd.36e41586@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:23:02 EST To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 MY MOST HUMBLE APOLOGIES next time I won't worry about anyone else ... as I said privately to another lister who chastised me as well ... I should have checked it out more BUT it came to me from someone I know personally and with whom I do business and therefore consider trustworthy ... for the record I normally try to screen such things and not bother people with hoaxes etc ... I figured better safe than sorry ... FLAME AWAY if you must but for the sake of all those I've offended by listing this and to get it OFF the list, please do it privately to jinnsinn@XXXXXX Marcy - forever and ever STRICTLY MOTORCYCLE In a message dated 3/8/99 1:10:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > At 12:35 PM 3/8/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > >THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX YOU EVERY TIME YOU ACCESS THE INTERNET!!!. > > I guess the best way to avoid arguments over stuff like this is to not send > it to a mailing list. I'm guessing you didn't see the back and forth > between todd and I last week on this very subject. It isn't true, don't > write, don't forward it. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 13:58:55 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22514 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 8 Mar 1999 18:58:53 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA13896 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:58:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:58:52 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* In-Reply-To: <71b6cdbd.36e41586@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > MY MOST HUMBLE APOLOGIES > next time I won't worry about anyone else ... as I said privately to another > lister who chastised me as well ... I should have checked it out more BUT it > came to me from someone I know personally and with whom I do business and > therefore consider trustworthy ... for the record I normally try to screen > such things and not bother people with hoaxes etc ... I figured better safe > than sorry ... FLAME AWAY if you must but for the sake of all those I've > offended by listing this and to get it OFF the list, please do it privately to > jinnsinn@XXXXXX > > Marcy - forever and ever STRICTLY MOTORCYCLE Hey, if it makes you feel better, my mom sent me a notice on something evil called the "Good Times" virus, which I had to be careful of :) To find this funny, you have to realize I work in Network Security. I sent her back a somewhat irritated email, and realized I had just flamed my own mom. Am I an evil person? Sincerely, Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 14:16:46 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22905 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:53:59 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: SV 650 report (fwd) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:50:16 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I know I sent this link out to a couple people.. felt you all might like the link (go to the forum.. some good info there). I still have another racers report on the SV as-well... Brian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Here is a new link for you... > >http://chappell.ca/sv650/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 14:47:29 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23574 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:47:25 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA23815; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:48:31 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019609; Mon, 8 Mar 99 14:41:02 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8A001GNK18MG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672E.006BD1A7 ; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:37:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:32:35 -0500 Subject: Coleman Powersports Experiences From rec.moto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525672E.006B72FD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I just thought that some of you might want to see these comments, just in case you don't read rec.motorcycles. Looks like business as usual for Coleman PowerShysters. Chris Weaver ----- Fred Maxwell wrote: I went to Coleman Powersports last night and asked them to give me a price on a Pro Circuit pipe for my CR500R. The person at the counter opened a catalog and looked up the pipe. After looking up the price on the computer, he told me that it was $215 (and it was a special order). When I pointed to the $184.95 suggested retail price in the catalog, he told me that it was an "old" catalog. It was a '98 catalog and I showed him that. He called someone else over who told me that he "could give it to [me] for $199.95." When I pointed out that the price he quoted was $15 over list, he just shrugged. I called Pro Circuit today and was told that the 1999 suggested retail price is now $191, so Coleman Powersports is "only" asking $24 over list price. Since Troy Racing (formerly Honda of Troy) is selling them for $154.95, I'll mail order it. I prefer to support local dealers, but not when they try to take advantage of me. (snip) P.S. While I was there, another person was picking up his bike after having it repaired. He was complaining that his repair bill was over $200 more than the estimate. I can't vouch for the accuracy of his claim, but they were not disputing it and he sounded reasonable, intelligent, and honest to me. John Pace wrote: When I saw this one, I had to reply. We took a quad to coleman for service about 9 months ago. They told us that it would be $60 to check out why it wouldn't start. They concluded that that the quad had bad valves and that the parts and labor would be about $850. We told them no thanks, and told them to just charge us the $60 and send us on our way. Well, we get there to pick it up, and are halfway through loading it on the trailer when we notice that the entire top end is missing. So we go back inside and they have our parts in a crappy old box. They were not even going to give us our parts back! They were also so clummsy that some of the parts were missing. We asked them what the deal was, and they said that they didn't have to put it back together. They also said that they did not have to tell us that this was their policy. They were total assholes and a bunch of stupid hicks. I will never again do business with coleman power sports. I get most of my parts at Cycles USA, where the staff are friendly and yes, they do discount on parts. Also, we have never had a problem with service either. Other alternatives to coleman are Freestate Cycle and Atlantic Cycle. The only thing Coleman is good for is window shopping. Don't support these cheezy assholes! The customer is always wrong at Coleman! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 14:51:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23679 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19863 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15672 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 429 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:50:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990308144958.01cc3990@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:50:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: A motorcycle related Dilbert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert99022852155.gif Not sure I like being associated with Crack, but Dilbert is usually pretty close to reality...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 14:51:54 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23699 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AA534710220; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:51:47 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308140727.01872e20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:07:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh, puh-leeze. Got any more info? Got quote or a link for this CNN story? This sounds like yet another "modem tax" hoax. Think of it this way -- how is "the government" going to tell when you make an Internet call? I dial up over ordinary voice lines using an analog modem ... "the government" is going to listen in on every phone line, monitor which ones have modem signals, then determine which of those are to Internet providers? This sounds like fall-out from a recent FCC decision regarding reciprocal compensation between local phone companies when there's a different company at each end of a local phone company. See http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Factsheets/nominute.html "No Consumer Per-Minute Charges to Access ISPs " and http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/News_Releases/1999/nrcc9014.html FCC ADOPTS ORDER ADDRESSING DIAL-UP INTERNET TRAFFIC Chris Norloff ********************************** At 12:35 PM 3/8/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX YOU EVERY TIME YOU ACCESS THE INTERNET!!!. > > >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:23 AM > >Guess we realized the government would sooner or later find a way to tax us >for using the Internet. > >Congress will be voting in less than two weeks. > >CNN stated that the the government would, in two weeks time, decide to >allow or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a Long Distance >call EACH time you access the Internet. > >The address is http://www.house.gov/writerep/ > >If you choose, visit the address above, fill out the necessary >form and vote AGAINST this injustice!!!. > >If EACH one of us, forward this message on to others in a hurry, we >may be able to prevent this injustice from happening! > >Please Pass This ON!!!!!!. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 14:53:07 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23709 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:52:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: MC Rapair www page.. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:51:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) http://www.users.bigpond.com/jack_stands/motorcycle_advice/bike_repair.html With just a cursurary glance at this site, it seems to have some deceint info for the novice to shade-tree mechanics... Might be worth your time to read through if you've ever had interest in working on your own bike. Of course, you can just ask me too.. :P 'Brian, my bike doesn't run awll at high-way speeds" "Does it run well otherwise? Faster and Slower?" 'Sure' "Well then, just take slower backroads, or speed up!!" *chuckle* Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 15:20:11 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24312 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 444; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:20:02 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990308151615.01aa8a40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:20:00 -0500 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Coleman Powersports Experiences From rec.moto In-Reply-To: <8525672E.006B72FD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Think I've said this before - a friend used to work for Coleman. He said they hired know-nothing summer help every year, and they would routinely F up people's bikes cause they didn't know any better. They have the highest markup in the area, and their parts guy is an Asshole. That last comment was my own, from previous experience. So why do we continue to go there? Because all of the other dealers around her have a crappy selection. I really need a new jacket, and I went to Cycle Sport in Herndon. Know what they have? 3 used leathers and some off road jerseys. I told one of the guys I was going to have to go to Colemans if he didn't get some product in, and he said the same thing he said last year "Yeah, I really need to do that." Looks like we are stuck with mail order or driving long distance to better shops (like to Indiana) until some super store comes in and cleans up the dealers with a little competition. .02 MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 15:31:52 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24609 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:31:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: whee.. more white stuff.. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:30:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) look at www.weather.com for the DC area... snow for the next day and a half... *sigh* when's March end anyway? I wanna have stable weather (damn, we're getting more snow in this month than the rest of the winter...) Brian (gonna be a white and slippery day tomorrow) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 15:52:42 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24986 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA01545; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:52:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001512; Mon Mar 8 14:51:42 1999 Message-ID: <36E43811.23F81B18@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:50:25 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this keeps up I'm going to have buy snow tires for the FJ Ed McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > look at www.weather.com for the DC area... snow for the next day and a > half... *sigh* when's March end anyway? I wanna have stable weather (damn, > we're getting more snow in this month than the rest of the winter...) > > Brian (gonna be a white and slippery day tomorrow) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 15:56:13 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24999 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:56:12 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id gEFYa20330; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:51:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42c5b8bb.36e43865@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:51:49 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 3/8/99 1:53:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Sigh. ok - I called someone I know who works for a Congressman - he is checking it out and will let me know - I will let you know what he tells me - and hopefully that's the end of it :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 16:06:01 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25295 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:05:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990308210609.6324.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.178] by send202.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:06:09 PST Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:06:09 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Combination "Need Help Loading Again" and "Going Away Party": 20 & 21 March To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep, again. Two weeks notice, could be better but still enough notice so you can't have an excuse. I'll need some help loading a truck and trailer again either Saturday or Sunday. Beer, food, beer, sodas, and beer will be provided, plus motorcycle videos, speedvision, etc. Actual work should take about an hour, then for the rest of the day we can just declare a party. If you don't want to help load, come out anyway and join us for some festivities. I'd like to get as many of the regulars as possible, this will be my unofficial going away party, it would be nice to meet some more of you that I've been communicating with (I met several of you already), and the ones I've met I can say goodbye to. If the weathers good or at least not too hideous I might go for a short (100 mile) ride either before or after. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 16:12:02 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25339 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:12:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgfrw15019; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525672E.007554C3 ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:21:34 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "McCoy Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Message-ID: <8525672E.00755325.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:06:25 -0500 Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok, everyone, repeat after me...NO SNOW ON MARCH 27!! Thank you. Pray to whatever gods you believe in. LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "McCoy Brian NAB02" on 03/08/99 03:30:06 PM To: "'dc'" cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: whee.. more white stuff.. look at www.weather.com for the DC area... snow for the next day and a half... *sigh* when's March end anyway? I wanna have stable weather (damn, we're getting more snow in this month than the rest of the winter...) Brian (gonna be a white and slippery day tomorrow) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 17:13:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26508 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:13:47 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA08504; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:15:03 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004604; Mon, 8 Mar 99 17:08:19 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8A00LOEQRD3D@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672E.00791B6D ; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:02:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:46:00 -0500 Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: McCoy Brian NAB02 , "'dc'" Message-id: <8525672E.0077AF71.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Okay, I'll bite... What's happening on March 27? Chris Weaver From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Ok, everyone, repeat after me...NO SNOW ON MARCH 27!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 19:17:04 1999 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28666 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-52-160.s160.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.52.160]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA28789 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:16:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002b01be69db$14d350e0$a034accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:15:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 It was a great race. I was lucky to have been there see Miguel take the checkered flag. Mat put up a great fight and in the end, was only behind Miguel by half a bike length. Still can't beat how close Ben Bostrom was to capturing 3rd but gave it up to Rich Oliver by something like a millisecond. You should have heard the crowd. Wild! I still can't get over how awesome it is to see them take the sling shot turn into the embankments and hear the scream of their engines as they hit it to 185 mphs and it's all happening right under your nose. Incredible. I strongly suggest that if you have the chance to get to Daytona during bike week and race time, GO! You'll have a blast. Trust me. ;-) - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Suazo, Tony To: DC Cycles Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 6:32 AM Subject: Daytona 200 >What a great race! Glad to see Miguel Duhamel/Team Honda win the >Daytona 200. > >Tony >CBR600 F3 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 20:35:07 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00106 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:35:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990309013732.25727.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.105] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:37:32 PST Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:37:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Daytona 200 (rebroadcast) To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those of us who missed it the rebroadcast is supposed to be on ESPN2 tonight at midnight. ---Ursulina Viteri wrote: > > It was a great race. I was lucky to have been there see Miguel take the > checkered flag. Mat put up a great fight and in the end, was only behind > Miguel by half a bike length. Still can't beat how close Ben Bostrom was to > capturing 3rd but gave it up to Rich Oliver by something like a millisecond. > You should have heard the crowd. Wild! I still can't get over how awesome > it is to see them take the sling shot turn into the embankments and hear the > scream of their engines as they hit it to 185 mphs and it's all happening > right under your nose. Incredible. > > I strongly suggest that if you have the chance to get to Daytona during bike > week and race time, GO! You'll have a blast. Trust me. ;-) > > - - Ursulina > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suazo, Tony > To: DC Cycles > Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 6:32 AM > Subject: Daytona 200 > > > >What a great race! Glad to see Miguel Duhamel/Team Honda win the > >Daytona 200. > > > >Tony > >CBR600 F3 > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 21:05:30 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00650 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-110.s47.as2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.110]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id VAA19773 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:05:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903090205.VAA19773@smtp4.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: 535 Virago Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:10:48 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My wife decided to sell her 1996 535 Virago. Only 2400 miles. Excellent condition, never down, kept in a heated basement. Nice looking bike, great starter bike. $4000 or best offer. please e-mail me directly. dthompso1@XXXXXX thanks, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 23:21:10 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02888 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00049 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:21:06 -0500 Message-ID: <06df01be69e3$cc387fa0$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Can't bear to look Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:17:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06DC_01BE69B9.E25F1160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06DC_01BE69B9.E25F1160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Turning my head away when near: There has been, since at least = Sunday a.m., a bike, previously seen parked on the street, this time = knocked over, lying "T" to the curb, its black cover still on. Probably = nudged by a Saturday night partier a-leaving after time spent at a 21 & = M neighborhood watering hole, the solemn cover preventing its being = seen. =20 Sneaked a glance this morning and it was still there, like a = homeless corpse with no family. =20 Mighty sad. Hope it's the owner that first tends to it. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> If 'twer possible I'd send it soup. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_06DC_01BE69B9.E25F1160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    = Turning my head=20 away when near:  There has=20 been, since at least Sunday a.m., a bike, previously seen parked on the = street,=20 this time knocked over, lying "T" to the curb, its black cover = still=20 on.  Probably nudged by a Saturday night partier a-leaving after = time spent=20 at a 21 & M neighborhood watering hole, the solemn cover preventing = its=20 being seen.  
 
    = Sneaked a glance=20 this morning and it was still there, like a homeless corpse with no=20 family. 
 
    = Mighty sad. =20 Hope it's the owner that first tends to it. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> If=20 'twer possible I'd send it soup. 
Join the AMA.  Help = protect my=20 riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_06DC_01BE69B9.E25F1160-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 00:00:41 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03536 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA00992 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:00:35 -0500 Message-ID: <06f801be69e9$506a6900$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Could have been a cellphone Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:57:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06F5_01BE69BF.66CAF680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06F5_01BE69BF.66CAF680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This from a Daytona Vulcan rider a couple of days ago. B.S. apparently = a great guy who offered hospitality to many unfamilar-to-him listers at = the event and which Kawasaki cruiser bike just off the showfloor: =20 "As we approached the last cross street in the sub-division, B.S. and his SO were struck by a Red = Geo Metro. The driver was young and ran the stop sign while adjusting the CD player. 911 was called and first aid was administered. B.S. underwent = surgery for a broken left leg (from the Geo's bumper) and bruises. His SO (also = a very sweet and kind person) sustained a laceration (RedDog, that is a bad = cut) above the left eye and multiple bruises, from flying onto and off of the = hood of the car. She was released, he is still in the hospital. The bike, a = 1999 Drifter (first one sold in Daytona) with 140 miles, sustained tank, floorboards, headlight housing damage." The point -- "while adjusting the CD Player". Car gadgets fighting for = attention. Soon -- navigator/toy operators required. =20 And from another Vulcan lister, after postings of recent other accidents = involving a dog and a sheep (in New Zealand!): =20 "Always play the motorcyclist riding game! For those of you that don't know the game, it goes like this! Everyone on the road is trying to run over you! They are cold blooded, = blind killers, that are just trying to get points! Now that you know the rules, there is only one way to play! You watch everyone that is coming into an intersection, knowing that one = of them is not going to stop or yield! You watch everyone that is coming toward you, knowing that one of them = is going to turn in front of you! You watch everyone that is behind you, knowing that one of them is going = to run right over the top of you! You watch everyone in the pack, knowing that one of them is not watching you! Addition rules of play, Give the car the right of way ever time he wants it, he's bigger than = you are! Don't let your balls out-weigh your judgement!" Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Counting on shaft drive belting me out of the food chain Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_06F5_01BE69BF.66CAF680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This from a Daytona = Vulcan rider a=20 couple of days ago.  B.S. apparently a great guy who offered = hospitality to=20 many unfamilar-to-him listers at the event and which Kawasaki cruiser = bike just=20 off the showfloor:  
 
"As we approached the last
cross street in the = sub-division, B.S.=20 and his SO were struck by a Red Geo
Metro. The driver was young and = ran the=20 stop sign while adjusting the CD
player. 911 was called and first aid = was=20 administered. B.S. underwent surgery
for a broken left leg (from the = Geo's=20 bumper) and bruises. His SO (also a very
sweet and kind person) = sustained a=20 laceration (RedDog, that is a bad cut)
above the left eye and = multiple=20 bruises, from flying onto and off of the hood
of the car. She was = released,=20 he is still in the hospital. The bike, a 1999
Drifter (first one sold = in=20 Daytona) with 140 miles, sustained tank,
floorboards, headlight = housing=20 damage."
 
 
The point -- = "while adjusting=20 the CD Player".  Car gadgets fighting for attention.  = Soon --=20 navigator/toy operators required. 
 
 
And from another Vulcan = lister, after=20 postings of recent other accidents involving a dog and a sheep (in New=20 Zealand!): 
 
"Always play the motorcyclist riding game!
For those of you = that=20 don't know the game, it goes like this!
Everyone on the road is = trying to run=20 over you! They are cold blooded, blind
killers, that are just trying = to get=20 points!
Now that you know the rules, there is only one way to = play!
You=20 watch everyone that is coming into an intersection, knowing that one = of
them=20 is not going to stop or yield!
You watch everyone that is coming = toward you,=20 knowing that one of them is
going to turn in front of you!
You = watch=20 everyone that is behind you, knowing that one of them is going to
run = right=20 over the top of you!
You watch everyone in the pack, knowing that one = of them=20 is not watching
you!
Addition rules of play,
Give the car the = right of=20 way ever time he wants it, he's bigger than you
are!
Don't let = your balls=20 out-weigh your judgement!"
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Counting on shaft drive belting me out of the food chain
Join the = AMA. =20 Help protect my riding fun.
 
------=_NextPart_000_06F5_01BE69BF.66CAF680-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 00:05:05 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03612 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA01099 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:05:00 -0500 Message-ID: <071401be69e9$ee939b60$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Fw: Hell's Angels on History Channel Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:01:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This seems to be making the rounds: >Here's the description of the show from the History Channel website: > >> Hell's Angels >> >> Are they romantic figures of rebellion, or traveling, rowdy misfits? >> Jump on you "hog" and ride along as we reveal the history of this >> motorcycle club with a punch! From inception by a former pilot from the >> "Hell's Angels" squadron, to the true incident on which "The Wild One" >> is based, to today, it's a ride you won't want to miss. > >And the dates are: > >Monday, March 22 7:00-8:00PM and 11:00PM-midnight >Tuesday, March 23 3:00-4:00AM > Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> A devil of a ride Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 06:47:14 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10578 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:45:13 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F538066@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: whee.. more white stuff.. Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:45:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Jeannette and Tom are getting married. Glenn >Okay, I'll bite... What's happening on March 27? >Chris Weaver >From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX >Ok, everyone, repeat after me...NO SNOW ON MARCH 27!! From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 07:04:25 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10797 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:04:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990309120603.23272.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 04:06:03 PST Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 04:06:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Can't bear to look To: mobacc , Dc Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So go pick it up! Wouldn't you want someone to pick yours up before some other drunk runs it over? ---mobacc wrote: > > Turning my head away when near: There has been, since at least Sunday a.m., a bike, previously seen parked on the street, this time knocked over, lying "T" to the curb, its black cover still on. Probably nudged by a Saturday night partier a-leaving after time spent at a 21 & M neighborhood watering hole, the solemn cover preventing its being seen. > > Sneaked a glance this morning and it was still there, like a homeless corpse with no family. > > Mighty sad. Hope it's the owner that first tends to it. > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> If 'twer possible I'd send it soup. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > >
    Turning my head away when near:  There has been, since at least Sunday a.m., a bike, previously seen parked on the street, this time knocked over, lying "T" to the curb, its black cover still on.  Probably nudged by a Saturday night partier a-leaving after time spent at a 21 & M neighborhood watering hole, the solemn cover preventing its being seen.  
 
    Sneaked a glance this morning and it was still there, like a homeless corpse with no family. 
 
    Mighty sad.  Hope it's the owner that first tends to it. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> If 'twer possible I'd send it soup. 
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.
_________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 07:09:03 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10876 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust041.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.41]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA30141; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:10:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990308211901.006a5f04@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 21:19:01 -0500 To: "Jordan, Michael" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: The World's Most Expensive Pizza In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The pizza party was cool. This year's "thing to do" was to leave San Diego on Wednesday afternoon, go to the pizza party and return to San Diego on Sunday night. I think there were about 4 people that did it that way. I also got to meet Mr. Bill of the Baltimore Cycles list in Daytona. I knew he looked familiar, but I think this is the first time we were introduced. Leon At 09:46 AM 3/8/99 -0800, Jordan, Michael wrote: >>>Sean and I shared pizza with Leon and Dale in Palm Coast, Florida Friday >night. > >>Hey, I didn't eat any of that pizza/carbohydrate death stuff. :) > >My abject apologies to Dale - he was, in fact, being a good boy and sticking >to his diet and did avoid the pizza. > >I'm pretty sure that I saw Leon scarf some, though... > >Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 07:42:36 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11390 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA28971 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6A00.37E45E10@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:41:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:41:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought much along the same lines at first, but Russell was quoted as saying he didn't provoke it. This could indeed be the case. I'm convinced that OJ did it (not that he gives a damn what I think), but I would like to hear more of the facts before judging Mr. Russell. As far as the broadcast goes, was anyone else disappointed with the coverage? Seems to me that if this was a NASCAR race, it would have had on-vehicle cameras, and an OCCASIONAL replay if someone (like the only HD rider in the field) crashed. And what about that camera (before the chicane, I think) that would pan along the track following the racers, and then, apparently because it couldn't tilt down far enough, show us the infield for a good 3 seconds until the camera found the bikes again! I guess it gives you time to dip your chip or something once per lap. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville (down to the bare frame now, almost ready for powder coating) Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling, VA USA >Russell's screw-up is right up there with Anthony >Gobert's. I suppose at least he didn't break any AMA rules so he won't be >out for a whole season. What an ass. > >Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 08:59:19 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12539 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:59:17 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgful17560; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525672F.004DBA62 ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:08:59 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX, McCoy Brian NAB02 , "'dc'" Message-ID: <8525672F.004DB937.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:53:38 -0500 Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline My wedding... : ) & Tom's, of course! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX on 03/08/99 04:46:00 PM To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX cc: McCoy Brian NAB02 , "'dc'" (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. Okay, I'll bite... What's happening on March 27? Chris Weaver From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Ok, everyone, repeat after me...NO SNOW ON MARCH 27!! From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 09:36:14 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13167 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA02436 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:36:02 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:36:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: whee.. more white stuff.. Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:35:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >My wedding... : ) >& Tom's, of course! ; ) No it's not - It's yours - guys are just accessories at these events. ;-) Michael (been there) J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 09:54:00 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13393 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:53:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990309145500.23117.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web310.yahoomail.com; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 06:55:00 PST Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:55:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: whee.. more white stuff.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >My wedding... : ) > >& Tom's, of course! ; ) > > No it's not - It's yours - guys are just accessories at these events. ;-) > > Michael (been there) J. I thought it was "Wedding is for the bride, Honeymoon is for the groom." That's what my married friends have said anyway. (Enjoy the wedding and the honeymoon!) Louis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 11:04:37 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14704 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA07693 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6A1C.77E90120@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:03:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Scott Russell is a bone-head Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:03:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to make it clear, I'm not implying that OJ beat up Scott Russell. Sorry for any confusion ;) Rich >-----Original Message----- >From: Crishock, Richard >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 7:41 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head > >I thought much along the same lines at first, but Russell was quoted as >saying he didn't provoke it. This could indeed be the case. I'm convinced >that OJ did it (not that he gives a damn what I think), but I would like to >hear more of the facts before judging Mr. Russell. > > > >Rich >'78 Triumph Bonneville (down to the bare frame now, almost ready for powder >coating) >Scowling Street Terrors #78 >Sterling, VA USA > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 11:25:01 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15071 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA20693; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: mobacc cc: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: Can't bear to look In-Reply-To: <06df01be69e3$cc387fa0$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I caught a glimpse of this same bike knocked over, closer to where New Hampshire hits Dupont Circle. I just caught a feetling glance and felt like maybe I should pull over and pick it up. But we (me and two women, one of whom is a three week old baby) were on our way to an appointment and I had already passed the bike. Later, when I was picking them up I saw the bike again and thought of stopping once more. This time the innane thought crept into my mind that what if the owner came out and found me, in a sedan, picking up a knocked over bike - wouldn't he think that I had done it? And then I thought the bike would be too heavy for my sometimes bad back, and then I was already passed it. I agree with Bill that it was a sad sight. I think my indecision - or the decision to do nothing was almost sadder. Erik CX500 --> I feel much better riding this crusty old bike after having read an article (more a picture collage really) in the most recent issue of Motorcylist in which a British couple has ridden around the world for the last 16 years on... you guessed it, a CX500. Amazing that I complain about riding around DC in it - then again, since third world road conditions prevail in this city,maybe it isn't SO much of stretch... On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, mobacc wrote: > Turning my head away when near: There has been, since at least > Sunday a.m., a bike, previously seen parked on the street, this time > knocked over, lying "T" to the curb, its black cover still on. Probably > nudged by a Saturday night partier a-leaving after time spent at a 21 & > M neighborhood watering hole, the solemn cover preventing its being > seen. > > Sneaked a glance this morning and it was still there, like a homeless corpse with no family. > > Mighty sad. Hope it's the owner that first tends to it. > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> If 'twer possible I'd send it soup. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 11:26:36 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15094 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 449; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:26:23 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990309112429.01bdaec0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:26:00 -0500 To: "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Could have been a cellphone In-Reply-To: <06f801be69e9$506a6900$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_522096314==_.ALT" --=====================_522096314==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:57 PM 3/8/99 , mobacc forwarded: > > "Always play the motorcyclist riding game! > For those of you that don't know the game, it goes like this! > Everyone on the road is trying to run over you! They are cold blooded, blind > killers, that are just trying to get points! > Now that you know the rules, there is only one way to play! > You watch everyone that is coming into an intersection, knowing that one of > them is not going to stop or yield! > You watch everyone that is coming toward you, knowing that one of them is > going to turn in front of you! > You watch everyone that is behind you, knowing that one of them is going to > run right over the top of you! > You watch everyone in the pack, knowing that one of them is not watching > you! > Addition rules of play, > Give the car the right of way ever time he wants it, he's bigger than you > are! > Don't let your balls out-weigh your judgement!" I whole heartedly agree! You must always look! And use many exclamation points! Get the point across! It's a dangerous game - play it safe..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 --=====================_522096314==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:57 PM 3/8/99 , mobacc forwarded:
"Always play the motorcyclist riding game!
For those of you that don't know the game, it goes like this!
Everyone on the road is trying to run over you! They are cold blooded, blind
killers, that are just trying to get points!
Now that you know the rules, there is only one way to play!
You watch everyone that is coming into an intersection, knowing that one of
them is not going to stop or yield!
You watch everyone that is coming toward you, knowing that one of them is
going to turn in front of you!
You watch everyone that is behind you, knowing that one of them is going to
run right over the top of you!
You watch everyone in the pack, knowing that one of them is not watching
you!
Addition rules of play,
Give the car the right of way ever time he wants it, he's bigger than you
are!
Don't let your balls out-weigh your judgement!"

I whole heartedly agree!  You must always look!  And use many exclamation points!  Get the point across! 

It's a dangerous game - play it safe.....

___________________________________________
    Mike Troutman
         http://www.troutman.org

         '91 Nighthawk 750 --=====================_522096314==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 13:02:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16894 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A23A5D0204; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:02:34 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990309125712.017dd450@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:58:38 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:41 AM 3/9/99 , Crishock, Richard wrote: >I thought much along the same lines at first, but Russell was quoted as >saying he didn't provoke it. This could indeed be the case. ... but I >would like to hear more of the facts before judging Mr. Russell. Fair enough, though I'm skeptical of anyone who thinks they can avoid a bar fight by merely "not provoking" anyone. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 13:51:13 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17740 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:51:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990309185212.24125.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web310.yahoomail.com; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:52:12 PST Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I don't really care if he provoked it or not. The way I see it is that he is a very well paid professional rider. What the hell was he doing out at that kind of bar anyhow??? His job is to be out there racing..... He shouldn't be doing stupid stuff. His job is to race and be a public star for H-D. Not starting off on the right foot with a new team. I've only raced at the club level, and I can tell you for a fact that racing 110% is very tasking physically and mentally. I can only imagine that qualifying and preparing for the daytona 200 is even more so... He should have been taking it easy preparing himself for the next days riding, not out barhopping. Collin ---Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 07:41 AM 3/9/99 , Crishock, Richard wrote: > >I thought much along the same lines at first, but Russell was quoted as > >saying he didn't provoke it. This could indeed be the case. ... but I > >would like to hear more of the facts before judging Mr. Russell. > > > Fair enough, though I'm skeptical of anyone who thinks they can avoid a bar > fight by merely "not provoking" anyone. > > Chris Norloff > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 15:15:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19110 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08773 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14553 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from gforeman (surf137.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.137]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA20551 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:14:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: "give up riding" sermon Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:14:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be6a69$633e7320$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 When I was young, my mother was always telling me how dangerous bikes were...but I started riding at 10, caught the bug, and had no intentions of giving it up. When I got my license at 16 I could see the agony on her face every time I left, and she always conveyed how she feared for me when I was riding. Well, when I was 7 her brother crashed his airplane and died. Imagine her fear when I got my pilot's license. My flying still scares her to death...but I NEVER hear about the motorcycle anymore! I've been riding 32 years now...never bruised much more than my ego. Now my experiences in a cage are ANOTHER story. That's where my FEAR begins! There are "Old" pilots There are "Bold" pilots But there are no "Old Bold" pilots! Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR Judgement to AVOID the situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 18:39:59 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22526 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:39:58 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id fNGEa26925; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:32:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59cd557.36e5afa7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:32:55 EST To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/9/99 6:52:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Jeannette and Tom are getting married. Glenn >> Speaking of Tom and Jeannette getting married, are we invited? How about a reception for DC-Cyclists only? ;-) I'm praying that this is the last of the snow. I'm off to find Punxatawnie Phil right now. Anyone want a groundhog skin cap? :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 18:56:47 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22802 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-181-3.s257.tnt19.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.181.3]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13115 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:56:43 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: whee.. more white stuff.. Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: <002801be6a88$ce2ffae0$4857accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <59cd557.36e5afa7@aol.com> Importance: Normal Yeah, bikers with torches and pitchforks prowling the countryside in search of a scheming, lying rodent. Too much snow. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ScooterFZR@XXXXXX said: I'm off to find Punxatawnie Phil right now. Anyone want a groundhog skin cap? :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 20:22:48 1999 Return-Path: bob_broeking@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send207.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA24310 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:22:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990310012631.5116.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.187.127] by send207.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:26:31 PST Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:26:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Broeking Subject: Daytona 200 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree 100%. It was my first superbike race in person and to have them go by you at 170mph+ on the straight was humbling. I did notice my average speed coming home from FL picked up after watching the race! :-) Bob 98 PC 800 ------- From: "Ursulina Viteri" Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:15:23 It was a great race. I was lucky to have been there see Miguel take thecheckered flag. Mat put up a great fight and in the end, was only behind Miguel by half a bike length I still can't get over howawesomeit is to see them take the sling shot turn into the embankments and hearthescream of their engine as they hit it to 185 mphs and it's all happeningright under your nose. Incredible. I strongly suggest that if you have the chance to get to Daytona duringbikeweek and race time, GO! You'll have a blast. Trust me. ;-)- - Ursulina == Bob Broeking in Springfield,VA http://whitespider.aawsom.net "I'll get the rope..."Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face of the Eiger, July 19th, 1936... bob_broeking@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 20:44:22 1999 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24634 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-119-141.s141.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.119.141]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13548 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:44:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <018701be6ab0$70867180$a034accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:42:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 And when I came back home from Daytona where bikes out numbered cars 4 to 1, riding on the beach without a lid was perfectly OK, and anything with 2 wheels was admired and appreciated, I ran to my little bike and gave it a hug. Oh the fun we're going to have this summer! :-) - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Bob Broeking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 5:28 PM Subject: Daytona 200 >I agree 100%. It was my first superbike race in person and to have >them go by you at 170mph+ on the straight was humbling. I did notice >my average speed coming home from FL picked up after watching the >race! :-) > >Bob > >98 PC 800 >------- >From: "Ursulina Viteri" >Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:15:23 > >It was a great race. I was lucky to have been there see Miguel take >thecheckered flag. Mat put up a great fight and in the end, was only >behind Miguel by half a bike length > >I still can't get over howawesomeit is to see them take the sling shot >turn into the embankments and hearthescream of their engine as they >hit it to 185 mphs and it's all happeningright under your nose. >Incredible. >I strongly suggest that if you have the chance to get to Daytona >duringbikeweek and race time, GO! You'll have a blast. Trust me. >;-)- - Ursulina > > > > >== >Bob Broeking in Springfield,VA http://whitespider.aawsom.net > "I'll get the rope..."Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face > of the Eiger, July 19th, 1936... bob_broeking@XXXXXX > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 21:56:20 1999 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25779 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA01946; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:53:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:53:55 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Virago for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Posting for a friend; please direct inquiries to her via phone. Thanks, Shannon FOR SALE 1992 Virago 750 3,300 miles Maroon in color All *original* parts Garaged Excellent condition, *never* dropped Asking $3,800 Please contact Muriel at (540) 937-7697. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 23:57:20 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27771 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA11747 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:57:15 -0500 Message-ID: <08d701be6ab2$042662a0$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Can't bear to look Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:53:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 From: Ray >So go pick it up! >Wouldn't you want someone to pick yours up before some other drunk >runs it over? My first thought too -- what to do to help, and what would I want done. Bemoaned the fact that there was little way to quickly locate the owner -- Calling D.C.'s finest would be flirting with disaster for the bike. Well, I went through the options about me, the bike, the owner. Main threads: I could do nothing to help the bike down for (I figured) a few hours -- it was already damaged, fluids leaked, but out of traffic. I might make damage worse. It might not stand up. If the bike is up, the owner might not realize it had been down and ailing if he is checking on it from a distance or starting it up. I have no place to put it, nonrunning. It is visible to anyone parking anew. Any notes left risk flying off, and there seemed to be no witnesses for my actions. If I did anything with it I could be accepting possible major responsibility. (And should the unknown owner come while I'm tending to it there's the small risk the situation might be difficult -- What are you doing to my bike?). With no connection to owner, and expecting he'd return soon, this all said -- I left it. It remains down going on three days, gathering snow on its cover. Tonight I did brush off the snow to make it visible and turned it to evade plows. A fellow across the street brushing off his car said he had seen the wind blow it over (hmmm). Hard to believe this bike has been left untended for three days on a D.C. street, though there may be more to tell. Suggestions entertained. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Bests for up and running soon, bro Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 00:18:58 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28096 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA07974; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:21:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:21:17 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: mobacc cc: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: Can't bear to look In-Reply-To: <08d701be6ab2$042662a0$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, mobacc wrote: > From: Ray > > My first thought too -- what to do to help, and what would I want done. > Bemoaned the fact that there was little way to quickly locate the owner -- > Calling D.C.'s finest would be flirting with disaster for the bike. > A lot of DCs cops ride motorcycles (and not just those funny looking sidecar jobs), so it might not be too far fetched to think that some kind soul would do something about it. I would have guessed that the parking meter vultures would have happened upon the bike by now and done something about it. But those would be fair weather vultures, wouldn't they? allbests, erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 09:20:46 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07424 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA24319; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:20:44 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023776; Wed, 10 Mar 99 09:19:00 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8D00L28UGRYW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256730.004E5570 ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:15:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:15:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Can't bear to look To: Erik Schelzig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256730.004E117E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Not to mention the snow emergency route vultures, during this time of year. --chris To: mobacc cc: Dc Cycles From: Erik Schelzig Date: 03/10/99 05:21:17 AM GMT Subject: Re: Can't bear to look On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, mobacc wrote: > From: Ray > > My first thought too -- what to do to help, and what would I want done. > Bemoaned the fact that there was little way to quickly locate the owner -- > Calling D.C.'s finest would be flirting with disaster for the bike. > A lot of DCs cops ride motorcycles (and not just those funny looking sidecar jobs), so it might not be too far fetched to think that some kind soul would do something about it. I would have guessed that the parking meter vultures would have happened upon the bike by now and done something about it. But those would be fair weather vultures, wouldn't they? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 09:33:34 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07581 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15449 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:32:50 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B105885F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Good electrical reference Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:32:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey all, This link came through on another list I'm on. It's a nice resource for tracking down electrical gremlins in m/c charging systems. Also has a good section on why/how charging systems work and they manufacture Voltage regulator/rectifier's for a lot of bikes... http://www.electrexusa.com/fault-finding-chart.html Hope it helps someone... Collin From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 09:35:26 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07670 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10Kk3a-0000Im-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:33:58 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27874 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NH58A>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:40:13 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED809@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: Dc Cycles Subject: RE: Can't bear to look Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:40:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > >So go pick it up! > >Wouldn't you want someone to pick yours up before some other drunk > >runs it over? > > > My first thought too -- what to do to help, and what would I > want done. > > > Suggestions entertained. I wouldnt touch it for the reasons you mentioned. If its not in any immediate threat of more damage than leave it sit. It was considerate of you to brush the snow off it so it would be seen by the plows. My $.02 Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 09:48:01 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07871 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08153; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:47:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: David Cross cc: Dc Cycles Subject: RE: Can't bear to look In-Reply-To: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED809@bdanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm... One possible way out of this bind would be to flag down or call an officer, and ask them to help you right the bike -- make sure they know you don't know who it belongs to -- they'll either be there in case of trouble, or advise you against it. The main risk with that tack would be if they decide for some reason to have it removed. -ph From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:14:28 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08273 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AC4F11A01FC; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:14:23 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:22:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: I "rode" home yesterday. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, I "rode" home yesterday. However, that was riding the Metro while my bike stayed garaged at the FAA. Hope I can get it home today! The main roads are okay, but I'll have about half a mile of snow-covered roads to get to the house. Any amazing tales from yesterday? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:30:34 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08577 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:30:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990310153102.20451.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web302.yahoomail.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:31:02 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:31:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pepe le Maxim also stayed warmly garaged at the DOT building last night while I rode the metro home :( If it weren't for brainless cagers out on the road, I probably would have ridden it home.... snow ain't so bad... it's ice that's nasty. It'll stay here again tonight too, cause I didn't bring my gear in :( Oh well.. better than letting it sit at home out in the weather I suppose... ---Chris Norloff wrote: > > Yes, I "rode" home yesterday. However, that was riding the Metro while my > bike stayed garaged at the FAA. Hope I can get it home today! The main > roads are okay, but I'll have about half a mile of snow-covered roads to > get to the house. > > Any amazing tales from yesterday? > > Chris Norloff > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:32:14 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08587 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hARCa15952; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:31:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:31:25 EST To: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Can't bear to look Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 my bike got knocked over twice while parked .... both times someone picked it up .... the first time it was a street guy who wanted a dollar for his services :D the second time I don't know who did it but whoever it was left the broken piece of my mirror sitting nicely on top of the gas tank ...... at any rate - both times I was glad it was vertical...... Marcy In a message dated 3/10/99 9:41:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, david@XXXXXX writes: > I wouldnt touch it for the reasons you mentioned. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:35:20 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08696 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AF4AD7600F8; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:27:06 EST Message-ID: <36E69114.2353F3A5@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:34:44 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , COG Subject: I need to rant Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies in advance for yelling. "WHY IS IT THAT THE FREEEEKIN INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL GLADLY TAKE YOUR MONEY TO INSURE A $8000 MOTORCYCLE AND THEN A YEAR LATER TELL YOU THEY ONLY THINK IT'S WORTH $6500 EVEN THOUGH YOU STILL OWE WAY MORE THAN THAT?!?!?!?! I'VE PAID FOR FULL COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLISION INSURANCE ON MY MOTORCYCLE AND IT WON'T EVEN PAY OFF MY LOAN? WTF?! WHAT A RACKET! I'M IN THE WRONG BUSINESS!!!" Essentially, they want to total my bike, pay off a portion of my loan, leave me with no motorcycle and still owing the finance company over $1000, and they wonder why I'm upset. Anyway, I'm not done with this yet. Wish me luck. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:38:59 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08712 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18423 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:38:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:38:51 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Any amazing tales from yesterday? I saw one bike out yesterday. The guy was wiggling up a pretty slick hill, outriggers down, and with a line of cars nervously sitting behind him. It was a dark blue VFR and the rider looked quite tall (say, 6'4"). Anyone on the list? :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:46:56 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08884 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA29222; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:46:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029176; Wed Mar 10 09:45:38 1999 Message-ID: <36E69356.C41ECA56@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:44:22 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. References: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After riding home in the snow earlier this year, I decided to wimp out yesterday (and today) and ride the metro both days. Maybe tomorrow I will be back to riding to work. May leave the FJ at home and take the Nighthawk out just in case.... Ed Chris Norloff wrote: > Yes, I "rode" home yesterday. However, that was riding the Metro while my > bike stayed garaged at the FAA. Hope I can get it home today! The main > roads are okay, but I'll have about half a mile of snow-covered roads to > get to the house. > > Any amazing tales from yesterday? > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:47:23 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08894 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5380BD@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:45:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) So how far did you have to take him home! LOL! Did he park the bike or did you guys take it with you? Glenn >I saw one bike out yesterday. The guy was wiggling up a pretty slick hill, >outriggers down, and with a line of cars nervously sitting behind him. It >was a dark blue VFR and the rider looked quite tall (say, 6'4"). Anyone on >the list? :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:50:24 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08983 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA00100; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:49:53 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990310154947.YGJZ7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:49:47 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:48:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be6b0d$600bb740$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal > Any amazing tales from yesterday? > > Chris Norloff > Yeah. I sat upstairs with a co-worker and watched from a window all the "hurry up and get home" federal workers sit on I395. I waited til around 5pm to leave and got home in about 35 minutes. Normal when I drive! HA! Driving TO work I saw 3 pile ups, one real bad on the FFax Parkway. Saw a BMW Coupe with its nose drilled into the gaurd rail in the S-bound lanes on I395. Still can't figure out how that happened. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:05:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09212 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8606DB01B6; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:05:52 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310110215.0181b9a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:06:26 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I need to rant In-Reply-To: <36E69114.2353F3A5@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:34 AM 3/10/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Apologies in advance for yelling. >"WHY IS IT THAT THE FREEEEKIN INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL GLADLY >TAKE YOUR MONEY TO INSURE A $8000 MOTORCYCLE AND THEN A YEAR >LATER TELL YOU THEY ONLY THINK IT'S WORTH $6500 EVEN THOUGH >YOU STILL OWE WAY MORE THAN THAT?!?!?!?! Car and bike loans follow the "Rule of 78's" which is hard for me to explain, but basically it means that you pay A LOT of interest up front and no (or almost no) principal. That combined with the devalution of a vehicle going from "new" to "used" means you're not the only one this has happened to. I recently had to go through this with my stepson's car and with my wife's truck. > I'VE PAID FOR FULL >COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLISION INSURANCE ON MY MOTORCYCLE AND IT >WON'T EVEN PAY OFF MY LOAN? WTF?! WHAT A RACKET! I'M IN THE >WRONG BUSINESS!!!" The insurance was for the bike, not for the loan. >Essentially, they want to total my bike, pay off a portion of >my loan, leave me with no motorcycle and still owing the finance >company over $1000, and they wonder why I'm upset. > >Anyway, I'm not done with this yet. Wish me luck. Good luck. What a lousy situation. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:09:12 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09240 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19433 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:09:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:09:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5380BD@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM wrote: > >I saw one bike out yesterday. The guy was wiggling up a pretty slick hill, > >outriggers down, and with a line of cars nervously sitting behind him. It > >was a dark blue VFR and the rider looked quite tall (say, 6'4"). Anyone on > >the list? :) > > So how far did you have to take him home! LOL! Did he park the bike or > did you guys take it with you? He was pretty close to home, probably within a mile. He parked it at the gas station nearby. There are several hills along the way and one pretty steep descent that his house sits on. It could've been ugly! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:18:15 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09405 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA02826 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:03 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. In-Reply-To: <000601be6b0d$600bb740$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > Driving TO work I saw 3 pile ups, one real bad on the FFax Parkway. Saw a > BMW Coupe with its nose drilled into the gaurd rail in the S-bound lanes on > I395. Still can't figure out how that happened. Well... as the owner of a BMW Z3, I can tell you it's REALLY easy to do that. The stock tires on BMW's are wide performance tires (mine are 235/17) which reduce your lb per sq. inch on the contact patch to almost nill. They also are not very deep grooved.. In the snow (even a dusting) these are pretty much the equivalent of having skis attached to your car. Even with BMW's computer controlled traction stuff, it's scary. I tried to run out to the store yesterday to grab some food for diner - it was an adventure. If you want to drive these things in the snow, you have to invest in a nice set of Blizaks on narrow rims - they work great. Unfortunatly, it seems most of the people in this area who buy BMW's read "traction control" in the owners manual and seem to think this means you can drive in anything. :( - Brian '98 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:18:50 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09415 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA14014 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:18:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv11-26.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.26) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013845; Wed Mar 10 10:17:36 1999 Message-ID: <001701be6b11$3c525f80$1a5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "'dc'" Subject: Lucky Bastards ;) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:15:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6AE7.51E98280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6AE7.51E98280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After getting to ride most of last week, I have an official 14" here, = and I live on a private drive on which I do not pay for plowing, thats = what 4wd is for ;)... Poor bike isnt going to see pavement for a while = I am afraid..Gotta get it out soon though, Inspection is due this = month... Oh well.....Thank God for whiskey and good cigars... I will let = you know when the mountain and Summit Point are reasonably snow and ice = free.... Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6AE7.51E98280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After getting to ride most of last = week, I have=20 an official 14" here, and I live on a private drive on which I do = not pay=20 for plowing, thats what 4wd is for ;)...  Poor bike isnt going to = see=20 pavement for a while I am afraid..Gotta get it out soon though, = Inspection is=20 due this month... Oh well.....Thank God for whiskey and good cigars... I = will=20 let you know when the mountain and Summit Point are reasonably snow and = ice=20 free....
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6AE7.51E98280-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:29:56 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09605 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA02855; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:29:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:29:48 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: Chris Norloff cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: I need to rant In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310110215.0181b9a0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Car and bike loans follow the "Rule of 78's" which is hard for me to > explain, but basically it means that you pay A LOT of interest up front and > no (or almost no) principal. That combined with the devalution of a > vehicle going from "new" to "used" means you're not the only one this has > happened to. I recently had to go through this with my stepson's car and > with my wife's truck. What dealer/bank did you go to that gave you a 'rule of 78's' loan? I haven't had one of those in years. Almost all car and truck loans are now 'simple interest' loans, where you're paying the same principle/interest amount every month. I helped my Ex buy a used miata last weekend, and even on that she got a simple-interest. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:41:44 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09778 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:41:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990310164250.4238.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web310.yahoomail.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:42:50 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Can't bear to look To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There was a motorcycle (81 or 83 Honda 750 Nighthawk) that was parked next to mine at my apartment complex for well over 6 months. I never saw the owner, and never saw the bike moved. A few times the ratty cover blew off and I would put it back on the bike. One of these times I noticed that the tags were expired. Eventually the cover was litterally rags and the bike was exposed to the elements. The apartment head of security saw me at my bike one day and asked me about the Nighthawk. I told him what I knew, and asked what he would do with it. He mentioned that they contact the local police to see if the bike was stolen, or who the last owner was. If it appears abandoned, the police then picks it up and usually auctions it off. About 3 weeks ago the bike was gone. I hope it finds a better owner. Louis ---David Cross wrote: > > > >So go pick it up! > > >Wouldn't you want someone to pick yours up before some other drunk > > >runs it over? > > > > > > My first thought too -- what to do to help, and what would I > > want done. > > > > > > Suggestions entertained. > > > I wouldnt touch it for the reasons you mentioned. If its not in any > immediate threat of more damage than leave it sit. It was considerate > of you to brush the snow off it so it would be seen by the plows. > > My $.02 > > Dave Cross > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:46:48 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09949 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14419; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:46:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199903101646.LAA14419@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Brian Roach , DC Cycles List Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:44:28 -0500 Subject: Re: I need to rant Priority: normal References: <4.1.19990310110215.0181b9a0@mail.toward.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 10 Mar 99, at 11:29, Brian Roach wrote: > What dealer/bank did you go to that gave you a 'rule of 78's' loan? I > haven't had one of those in years. Almost all car and truck loans are now > 'simple interest' loans, where you're paying the same principle/interest > amount every month. I helped my Ex buy a used miata last weekend, and even > on that she got a simple-interest. Actually, "Rule of 78's" loans are still quite common.. not necesarily at banks, but with finance companies. My loan on my XT was with Greentree Financial, and it was a "Rule of 78's" loan. Motorcycles (and RV's, boats, etc.) can be hard to get a loan on... and if you go to a finance company not only do you wind up with a less competitive interest rate, but you get the interest front loaded as well. I was glad to be able to go through my bank for the GPZ. Anita (motorcycle riding accountant!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:54:55 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10038 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA02935; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:54:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: I need to rant In-Reply-To: <199903101646.LAA14419@radagast.wizard.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Anita Lauro wrote: > Actually, "Rule of 78's" loans are still quite common.. not > necesarily at banks, but with finance companies. My loan on my > XT was with Greentree Financial, and it was a "Rule of 78's" loan. > Motorcycles (and RV's, boats, etc.) can be hard to get a loan on... > and if you go to a finance company not only do you wind up with a > less competitive interest rate, but you get the interest front loaded > as well. I was glad to be able to go through my bank for the GPZ. > > Anita Wow... I had no idea. I feel lucky now :) I haven't had a "rule of 78's" since my very first car. I don't think I'd purchase a vehicle unless I could get a simple-interest loan on it. The pay-all-the-interest-first thing really hurts, especially at trade-in time (Got burned on that aforementioned first vehicle). Though I guess if you don't have a choice due to some circumstance, it's better than walking. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:56:07 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10051 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA29087; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:55:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:55:59 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. Message-ID: <19990310115559.A28820@cosanostra.net> References: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com>; from Chris Norloff on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 10:22:22AM -0500 X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR And thus spake Chris Norloff, on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 10:22:22AM -0500: > Yes, I "rode" home yesterday. However, that was riding the Metro while my > bike stayed garaged at the FAA. Hope I can get it home today! The main > roads are okay, but I'll have about half a mile of snow-covered roads to > get to the house. > > Any amazing tales from yesterday? My truck had enough fun up in Bowie. Had controlled runs off the road twice, on the way to and from C&M Cycles. Anybody know if any tire makers make bike mountable equivalents of the graspics and blizzaks? That might be kinda fun...tires that stick to ice like normal rubber sticks to pavement. -- Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:58:26 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10153 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:58:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990310170016.7331.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web304.yahoomail.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:00:16 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: I need to rant To: Brian Roach , Chris Norloff Cc: DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As Anita mentioned, I think these type loans are still pretty common... That's all I could find for my truck at the time :( ---Brian Roach wrote: > What dealer/bank did you go to that gave you a 'rule of 78's' loan? I > haven't had one of those in years. Almost all car and truck loans are now > 'simple interest' loans, where you're paying the same principle/interest > amount every month. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:02:42 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10246 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:02:40 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id gXUCa23192; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:02:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3cf4ee60.36e6a589@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:02:01 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, COG@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I need to rant Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 um......*ducking* :D maybe there's interest on the loan that the insurance co. doesn't count as "value" of the bike? just to be clear however - insurance companies make me insane too :D Marcy In a message dated 3/10/99 10:40:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > INSURE A $8000 MOTORCYCLE AND THEN A YEAR > LATER TELL YOU THEY ONLY THINK IT'S WORTH $6500 EVEN THOUGH > YOU STILL OWE WAY MORE THAN THAT?!?!?!?! I'VE PAID FOR FULL > COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLISION INSURANCE ON MY MOTORCYCLE AND IT > WON'T EVEN PAY OFF MY LOAN? From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:10:02 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10347 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:10:01 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id kAESa09662; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:04:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:04:31 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 a friend of mine rode home yesterday DOWN Independence from Capitol Hill and executed what he called " a perfect, graceful, choreographed fall which left not a scratch on the bike or rider" and then apparently some guy in a nearby car who witnessed it hung his head out the window to compliment the skill and grace of the fall as he'd been a motocycle courier himself and thus understood................ :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:12:10 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10421 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18174; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:12:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199903101712.MAA18174@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Collin T. Fagan" , DC Cycles List Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:09:56 -0500 Subject: Re: I need to rant Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990310170016.7331.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) The amount of interest paid over the life of the loan is pretty much the same.. only hurts you if you total the vehicle, or want to trade it in before the loan is paid off. But, given a choice, a simple interest loan is always the best way to go! Anita On 10 Mar 99, at 9:00, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > As Anita mentioned, I think these type loans are still pretty common... > That's all I could find for my truck at the time :( > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:17:33 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10516 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18945; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:17:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199903101717.MAA18945@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Brian Roach , DC Cycles List Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:15:17 -0500 Subject: Re: I need to rant Priority: normal References: <199903101646.LAA14419@radagast.wizard.net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 10 Mar 99, at 11:54, Brian Roach wrote: > Wow... I had no idea. I feel lucky now :) I haven't had a "rule of 78's" > since my very first car. I don't think I'd purchase a vehicle unless I > could get a simple-interest loan on it. The pay-all-the-interest-first > thing really hurts, especially at trade-in time (Got burned on that > aforementioned first vehicle). Though I guess if you don't have a choice > due to some circumstance, it's better than walking. Well, in any loan you pay more interest in the beginning.. so you can wind up in bad shape with a simple interest loan as well. The "Rule of 78's" calculation just shifts even more interest to the beginning of the loan. You still do pay off principal each month, just less at the beginning. The worst is mortgages of course... been paying for 10 years on my condo, and I don't think I've paid off more than $3-4K in principal. Ugh! Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:37:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10899 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:37:22 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA26851; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:38:26 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027741; Wed, 10 Mar 99 11:39:03 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8E00LB90Y79R@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256730.005B2B66 ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:35:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:34:23 -0500 Subject: Re: I need to rant To: Chris Norloff Cc: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List Message-id: <85256730.005AC6BB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what "gap insurance" is for? Any insurance experts on the list that can step up and explain that? --chris To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List cc: From: Chris Norloff Date: 03/10/99 04:06:26 PM GMT Subject: Re: I need to rant At 10:34 AM 3/10/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Apologies in advance for yelling. >"WHY IS IT THAT THE FREEEEKIN INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL GLADLY >TAKE YOUR MONEY TO INSURE A $8000 MOTORCYCLE AND THEN A YEAR >LATER TELL YOU THEY ONLY THINK IT'S WORTH $6500 EVEN THOUGH >YOU STILL OWE WAY MORE THAN THAT?!?!?!?! Car and bike loans follow the "Rule of 78's" which is hard for me to explain, but basically it means that you pay A LOT of interest up front and no (or almost no) principal. That combined with the devalution of a vehicle going from "new" to "used" means you're not the only one this has happened to. I recently had to go through this with my stepson's car and with my wife's truck. > I'VE PAID FOR FULL >COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLISION INSURANCE ON MY MOTORCYCLE AND IT >WON'T EVEN PAY OFF MY LOAN? WTF?! WHAT A RACKET! I'M IN THE >WRONG BUSINESS!!!" The insurance was for the bike, not for the loan. >Essentially, they want to total my bike, pay off a portion of >my loan, leave me with no motorcycle and still owing the finance >company over $1000, and they wonder why I'm upset. > >Anyway, I'm not done with this yet. Wish me luck. Good luck. What a lousy situation. Chris Norloff ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:50:32 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11183 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5C88J3G; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:02 EST To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Powersports Experiences From rec.moto Message-ID: <19990307.121803.4855.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990308151615.01aa8a40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-6,8,13-14 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:02 EST Things will change here, and sooner than later. Keep the faith. If you all will permit me one plug, our parts department is interested in competing with other dealers and with mail order pricing. Give them a call. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:20:00 -0500 "Mike Troutman" writes: >Because all of the other dealers around here have a crappy selection. I really need >a new jacket, and I went to Cycle Sport in Herndon. Know what they have? 3 used >leathers and some offroad jerseys. I told one of the guys I was going to have to go >to Colemans if he didn't get some product in, and he said the same thing he said >last year "Yeah, I really need to do that." ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:50:39 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11185 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5C88J6M; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:02 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, COG@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I need to rant Message-ID: <19990307.121803.4855.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <36E69114.2353F3A5@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-37 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:02 EST So...uh...what exactly are you trying to say? Don't sugarcoat it. Say what you feel... :) But seriously, go get 'em Killer! JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:34:44 -0500 Dale Horstman writes: >Apologies in advance for yelling. > > > >"WHY IS IT THAT THE FREEEEKIN INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL GLADLY >TAKE YOUR MONEY TO INSURE A $8000 MOTORCYCLE AND THEN A YEAR >LATER TELL YOU THEY ONLY THINK IT'S WORTH $6500 EVEN THOUGH >YOU STILL OWE WAY MORE THAN THAT?!?!?!?! I'VE PAID FOR FULL >COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLISION INSURANCE ON MY MOTORCYCLE AND IT >WON'T EVEN PAY OFF MY LOAN? WTF?! WHAT A RACKET! I'M IN THE >WRONG BUSINESS!!!" > > > >Essentially, they want to total my bike, pay off a portion of >my loan, leave me with no motorcycle and still owing the finance >company over $1000, and they wonder why I'm upset. > >Anyway, I'm not done with this yet. Wish me luck. > >Dale >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now >1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:53:57 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11212 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 Mar 1999 17:53:55 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25941 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:53:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:53:43 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I need to rant In-Reply-To: <85256730.005AC6BB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what "gap insurance" is for? Any > insurance experts on the list that can step up and explain that? > > --chris > No no, gap insurance is for when you walk into overpriced, trendy stores, and end up buying more clothes than you intended. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:56:04 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11225 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:55:31 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F2312@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: Non-moto Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:55:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Since I can't be out on the motorcycle, I had to channel all my motorcycle depravation energy into tearing up the parking lots last night with the SUV. What a blast! I took the backroads from Vienna to Tyson's to pick up my cousin, and we drove out to Wolf Trap to do doughnut's in the wide open parking lots. On the way back, the high school parking lot offered up some wide open space that couldn't be passed up. We were doing doughnut's in both 2WD and 4WD; and we found that 4WD produced better snow "wakes". However, for the nice tight spirals, 2WD was the preferred selection. I concur with strangling the little Pennsylvania rodent. Going through bike withdrawal. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:58:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11299 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:58:47 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id RAA26942; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:54:30 GMT Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma026504; Wed, 10 Mar 99 17:53:05 GMT Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8E00LOM4EV38@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:55:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 80256730.006262FB ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:54:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:46:25 -0500 Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256730.00617B52.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It damn near does mean that for those of us with Audi Quattros. :-) --chris (sorry no more car jabs on the bike list) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Brian Roach Date: 03/10/99 04:18:03 PM GMT Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. Unfortunatly, it seems most of the people in this area who buy BMW's read "traction control" in the owners manual and seem to think this means you can drive in anything. :( ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:59:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11334 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A2F5410028C; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:59:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310130120.01830e70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:02:22 -0500 To: Elie Rosenblum From: Chris Norloff Subject: graspics and blizzaks Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990310115559.A28820@cosanostra.net> References: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:55 AM 3/10/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: >Anybody know if any tire makers make bike mountable equivalents of the >graspics and blizzaks? That might be kinda fun...tires that stick to >ice like normal rubber sticks to pavement. >Elie Rosenblum How do they do that? Are they just rubber tires, or do they have some sort of traction feature (spikes, studs, etc.)? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 13:00:56 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11416 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:59:55 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:59:52 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:03:11 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rosenc@XXXXXX Subject: Valkyrie -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Wow. Seems to me a Valkyrie and a Harley have almost nothing to do with each other. If he likes a big, smooth, stonking motor, it ain't the Harley. If he wants a Harley, the Valk ain't it. Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 13:04:43 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11455 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:04:40 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id SAA00087; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:00:23 GMT Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029374; Wed, 10 Mar 99 17:59:12 GMT Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8E001UV4R24J@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 80256730.00631218 ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:02:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:53:06 -0500 Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. To: Elie Rosenblum Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256730.00625C42.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Anyone know of a source for ice-racing tires? If you could put those screws on both sides of the tires, you'd out-handle everything on the road! =^) Chris Weaver And thus spake Chris Norloff, on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 10:22:22AM -0500: > Yes, I "rode" home yesterday. However, that was riding the Metro while my > bike stayed garaged at the FAA. Hope I can get it home today! The main > roads are okay, but I'll have about half a mile of snow-covered roads to > get to the house. > > Any amazing tales from yesterday? My truck had enough fun up in Bowie. Had controlled runs off the road twice, on the way to and from C&M Cycles. Anybody know if any tire makers make bike mountable equivalents of the graspics and blizzaks? That might be kinda fun...tires that stick to ice like normal rubber sticks to pavement. -- Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 13:14:01 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11636 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA29054; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:12:29 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990310181252.CXPU7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:12:52 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Elie Rosenblum" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:11:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be6b21$5c97fd30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19990310115559.A28820@cosanostra.net> Importance: Normal Prestone makes a sprayable wood resin that is directly applied to the tires. Made for cages in icy conditions and is said to last about 20 minutes. If someone could set up a Scotoiler system with this stuff to spray onto your moving tires, AND keep it off your bike, I bet it'd work just fine. http://www.sltrib.com/krt/carw/html/3.htm http://www.prestone.com/car/index.html Todd Elie Rosenblum wrote: > > Anybody know if any tire makers make bike mountable equivalents of the > graspics and blizzaks? That might be kinda fun...tires that stick to > ice like normal rubber sticks to pavement. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 13:27:51 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11943 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:26:45 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:26:38 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:29:52 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, shephar1@XXXXXX Subject: Lucky Bastards ;) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Ken wrote: " I will let you know when the mountain and Summit Point are reasonably snow and ice free...." Good. I've got enough to do before Tune & Test Day (4/1) without having to stud the damn tires . . . Joe RD 400 F From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 14:03:21 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12584 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:02:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Going Home . . . on a Motorcycle . . . after 8 inches of sn ow fell . . . on DC Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:02:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The meteorological prognostication Tuesday morning was for light snow late that afternoon. Knowing that light snow was no big deal, and there had been sun in the morning (warm streets) I rode my Sabre (1985 V 700 S). By 10, a dusting covered car roofs but the streets were clear. No problema. By noon, the snow was sticking to the streets. A quick check on Radar Weather: http://www.accuweather.com and http://www.weather.com/weather/radar/single_site/MD_College_Park.html showed the storm was limited in area and only light to moderate in intensity. I guessed it should finish by maybe 2:00 and decided to bail then: after the noon rush finished and before the evening rush. But woe. As you all know, we Federales were given an "early out" starting at 2:00. Damn, if I was going to join that melee. So, I decided to wait, finish up a review, and leave around 4:00. A 4:00 peek showed plenty of traffic and still snowing. At 4:30 a peek out the window revealed heavier snow; radar Weather suggested it was stopping and intensifying. It was time to do something. Options: 1. Leave the bike parked on the street, ride Metro home. Good for me, bad for bike if snowplow - car nails it, parking ticket, possible towing. Fergitaboutit 2. Find covered parking & ride Metro home. Hmmm, 3. Ride bike home. =:^O First, I removed the Tracy Shield and took it to my office. If the bike dumped, a cold shield would shatter and I didn't plan to go fast enough to need a shield. I was also concerned about righting the Sabre if it fell. The center of gravity is high and it's a booger to aright - grandmothers can raise the porkier Goldwing, but not the top-heavy Sabre. Next, was getting the bike over the berm of snow. Much kicking, rocking and nudging got it onto K street. I headed for a garage that Leon had recommended. After mushing through the slush to 12 & K I went in. Whoops, wrong garage (checking records, it's the one at 12 & L -- sigh) Thus, option 3: Ride bike home. K Street, has side lanes for making left turns and parking. They're protected from the main road by a concrete berm. I stayed on the north one, headed east. The north lane gets some sun and the snow was nice gushy slush. Hey, this could be fun. I chose to go straight up Connecticut because it would have gotten the most sun (less ice) and just might have had a plow run over it, or at least the most traffic to stir and warm the slush. Even on overcast days, some IR comes through clouds and heats the roadway. The right turn onto Connecticut was easy but the four blocks up to Dupont Circle were hairy - the buildings shade all but the midday sun so the slush was heavy, icy, and slick. I almost dumped when I went into a slush-hidden manhole dip and again on some pavement ripples. The pucker factor was getting high. There were several issues: If I dumped, I'd prefer to dump at 10 MPH, than 25 MPH. Also, since stopping was iffy, I needed to keep my speed down. However, I needed the gyroscopic stability of the rotating wheels, and too low an engine speed could deplete the battery. I compromised on keeping in first gear, keeping rpm's around 3500 which gave me an indicated speed of 15 mph. I just had to be ee-zee with the throttle as a sudden blip (up or down) in first gear would break traction in a blink. Through the bumpy-slick-stuff I kept my feet down, skimming the slush, and my speed to about 5 - 10 mph. Admonitions to keep feet on the pegs were in my head -- If the bike really went over, there was no chance my legs would keep it up, but there were several ripples in the pavement that I believe holding my legs down kept me upright. Also, speeding up for stability here was not a choice; there was beau coup slow traffic and red lights at every intersection. Stopping at traffic lights was iffy even from 10 MPH, as was starting. BTW, only in a slow slick situation like this is it best to use more rear brake than front brake. I was fighting years of habit to do that. I opted to go under Dupont Circle because, it was straight, I could rev the engine (to charge), and miss the glop going around, but was worried about the traction climbing out. It turned out that the south facing up ramp had fine traction (thank you Mr. Sun) and all was well until the shady curved area approaching the bridge over Rock Creek. Contrary to my worries, the bridge turned out to be a piece of cake, the new concrete roadway is transversely grooved and got enough sun in the morning that the slush hadn't frozen. Up to Chevy Chase Circle, Connecticut Ave was a cycle of slush and more slush. I settled in, relaxing my hands on the bars, feet on the pegs, and being "one with the bike". I kept up an infrequent pulsing of the brake light by using my loosely adjusted rear brake in the belief that it would both raise my visibility and convince approaching cagers there was a nut case ahead worthy of avoiding. As I neared the approaches to Nebraska Ave and to Military Road I noticed funny stuff under the slush. There, were tan strips under the slush; concrete pavement? Sumbitch, that's ice!! Connecticut is downhill going North at those intersections so those slopes get less sun and I was in colder territory than down town. More puckering. The drivers seemed to be more aggressive too. Their attitude seemed to be "I'm close to home so, Get TF Outta My Way". I navigated Chevy Chase Circle at 5 - 10 MPH, legs out both for stability and to ward off the increasingly aggressive cagers that might crowd me, and entered Maryland. Maryland and beneficent Montgomery County that had run a snow plow through it's portion of Connecticut Ave. There was still slush but much less than south of the circle. The remaining three miles to home were easier. On Bradley Blvd. I whizzed along at 25 MPH. Whenever I noticed a line headlights behind me, I'd pull to the side and let them by in hopes the cagers might return the favor some sunny day. Three blocks from home, climbing a slope on a residential street, I ran out of traction and was caught between a rut and a big, steep, whopping-gutter. Shit. I put the side stand down, got gently off, and began kicking slush and snow from under and around the bike. Happily, there was no underlying ice so I manhandled the rear wheel up to more level pavement. Traction regained, I mushed, rocked, and nudged the bike through the rutted streets to my driveway. There at the entrance a berm of snow left by a plow - and 8 inches of virginal snow over the pavement finally halted me. I stopped, shed the Stich, shoveled the drive way and pushed Rocin the last 30 feet. Good boy, you kept your rubber side down. Carl in Bethesda, who is considering changing his sig from: Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! to: Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and a leetle snow, but no ice nor big honkin' snow! From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 14:19:44 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12862 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A5CB74401B6; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:19:39 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310142008.0183b7b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:22:19 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Going Home . . . on a Motorcycle . . . after 8 inches of snow fell . . . on DC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:02 PM 3/10/99 , Custer, Carl wrote: >The meteorological prognostication Tuesday morning was for light snow late >that afternoon. Knowing that light snow was no big deal, and there had been >sun in the morning (warm streets) I rode my Sabre (1985 V 700 S). ha ha ha! I believed those forecasts, too. ... >Through the bumpy-slick-stuff I kept my feet down, skimming the slush, and >my speed to about 5 - 10 mph. ... What a great story, and glad you made it home okay! > There at the entrance a berm of snow left by a plow - and 8 >inches of virginal snow over the pavement finally halted me. I stopped, >shed the Stich, shoveled the drive way and pushed Rocin the last 30 feet. Rocinante? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 14:39:08 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13248 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:39:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990310194100.28364.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web304.yahoomail.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:41:00 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:41:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Going Home . . . on a Motorcycle . . . after 8 inches of snow fell . . . on DC To: Chris Norloff , "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another RUSH fan??? :) > Rocinante? > > Chris Norloff > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 14:42:00 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13270 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA01719; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:41:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:41:54 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: graspics and blizzaks Message-ID: <19990310144153.A1644@cosanostra.net> References: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> <19990310115559.A28820@cosanostra.net> <4.1.19990310130120.01830e70@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310130120.01830e70@mail.toward.com>; from Chris Norloff on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 01:02:22PM -0500 X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR And thus spake Chris Norloff, on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 01:02:22PM -0500: > At 11:55 AM 3/10/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: > >Anybody know if any tire makers make bike mountable equivalents of the > >graspics and blizzaks? That might be kinda fun...tires that stick to > >ice like normal rubber sticks to pavement. > >Elie Rosenblum > > How do they do that? Are they just rubber tires, or do they have some sort > of traction feature (spikes, studs, etc.)? It's apparently some specially constructed rubber structure that sticks _really_ well to ice. I don't really know much in the way of detail as to how they work, though. Apparently they use this compound down to somewhere around 50% of the tread, beyond which it's just a normal all weather tire. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 14:43:40 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13362 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A988327013C; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:35:36 EST Message-ID: <36E6CB52.28391BFE@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:43:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "cog@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Insurance (was: I need to rant) References: <19990310134014535-1eea1dd6@watsonwyatt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spencer Farrow wrote: > Most policies are for "market value." That means that they'll pay > you book value at most for the totaled bike. That is evidently the policy I have - with GEICO. They will pay only the market value of my one-year old bike with an "extremely high" 27K miles. If that happens, I am seriously upside-down on my loan, and the difference would have to come out of my pocket (FWIW, Greentree Financial absolutely does not deal with totalled bikes - I'd be responsible for the full balance all at once, so I'm told.) That sucks big time. My big issue is that I have repeatedly stated to the adjuster that I do not believe the damage adjustment is accurate, and that this bike should not be totalled. I said big words like "insurance fraud" to the GEICO adjuster on the phone and got his attention. I'll probably have to get another estimate somewhere else to prove my claim. Like I said, I haven't given up yet. Anyway, maybe this can be a warning for some of you other folks who are financing bikes - call up your insurance co. and play some "what-if" games - if I was given an option of a "replacement value" policy, I might go ahead and pay a bit more for the piece of mind. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 15:14:38 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13877 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA27669; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:14:30 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA05233; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:14:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:14:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MARRC Race Emergency School Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those interested in being a corner worker the race emergency scholl is being held Sunday March 14. You can get the details at http://marrc.nova.org/index.htm or more specifically http://marrc.nova.org/res.htm . Hope to see you there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 15:30:35 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14211 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6665B5028C; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:30:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310153044.01840420@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:32:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: graspics and blizzaks In-Reply-To: <19990310144153.A1644@cosanostra.net> References: <4.1.19990310130120.01830e70@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@XXXXXX> <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@XXXXXX> <19990310115559.A28820@XXXXXX> <4.1.19990310130120.01830e70@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:41 PM 3/10/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: >It's apparently some specially constructed rubber structure that sticks >_really_ well to ice. I don't really know much in the way of detail as >to how they work, though. Apparently they use this compound down to >somewhere around 50% of the tread, beyond which it's just a normal all >weather tire. Neat. I've heard of Continental making a winter tire - it was made of a special rubber that stayed soft at cold temperatures (to grip better), and didn't warm up with driving (to avoid melting snow) and had little fingers inside the tread grooves to work the snow out as the tire flexed. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 15:30:35 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14210 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6655B5028C; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:30:29 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310153001.01840e30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:33:08 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Going Home . . . on a Motorcycle . . . after 8 inches of snow fell . . . on DC In-Reply-To: <19990310194100.28364.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don Quixote! (That was the name of his horse, if I spelled it correctly). Chris Norloff At 02:41 PM 3/10/99 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Another RUSH fan??? :) > >> Rocinante? >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> >> >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 16:50:56 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15719 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:50:10 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:50:02 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:53:28 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline "somehow the loud rumbling of pipes and the spewing of exhaust fumes into the air somehow just don't seem to be a good fit with delicate, fragrant cherry blossoms" Yes! One wouldn't want a bunch of nasty biker types distracting one from experiencing the Basin's bumper-to-bumper traffic, the diesel fumes of the trucks and busses, the drivers screaming obscenities at one another. Let's not scare away the tourists! ;-}- Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 17:45:57 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16749 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:45:08 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:45:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:48:12 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Powersports Experiences From rec.moto -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mike wrote: "Looks like we are stuck with mail order or driving long distance to better shops (like to Indiana) until some super store comes in and cleans up the dealers with a little competition." Nah. Just come a little south and visit Moto Europa. Small shop, but lotsa stuff helmet and leather-wise, good prices, good benchracing, cool old bikes, new Ducatis, free coffee. They's good people. See www.motoeuropa.com. Joe Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 19:01:55 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18023 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from dc-p1-06.min.net (dc-p1-06.min.net [208.210.93.165]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06113 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:01:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:00:46 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After arriving home, I siezed the opportunity to take out my two wheeler as well.... I took the one with pedals!! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 20:59:20 1999 Return-Path: bob_broeking@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19912 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:59:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990311020103.8223.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.117.173] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:01:03 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:01:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Broeking Subject: Daytona Beach Fl Trip Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Louis Caplan has accused me of being a lurker on the Dc Cycles list. :-) I prefer to see myself as a semi lurker. At any rate, I'll introduce myself at his proding. I moved back to DC in Jul 98, bought a 98 Honda Pacific Coast and commute daily from Springfield to the Pentagon. This is my second and probably not my last tour in the area. I almost feel like a native! Last weekend I took off for Daytona Beach Fl for what would be my longest rides of my short motorcycling career. I did 1800 miles over two riding days with two days spent at Bike Week. I am written a trip report and rather than take up bandwidth, I have posted it at my web site with some graphics of the route. I am following in Louis', Dale's, and Leon's footsteps into the Iron Butt Association.... verification pending. Bob If you are interested, go to: Http://whitespider.aawsom.net and click on the motorcycle page. It is listed near the bottom under Trip Reports (SS1000). Cheers Bob == Bob Broeking in Springfield,VA http://whitespider.aawsom.net "I'll get the rope..."Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face of the Eiger, July 19th, 1936... bob_broeking@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 21:21:30 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20358 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.26.165] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A6CAE980112; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:13:30 EST Message-ID: <36E728D5.645C95CB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:22:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Broeking CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona Beach Fl Trip Report References: <19990311020103.8223.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Broeking wrote: > I am following in Louis', Dale's, and Leon's footsteps into the Iron > Butt Association.... verification pending. Bob Bob, Don't forget Mike Jordan and Todd Peer and Sean Sullivan, and probably one or two others I don't know about yet. This country sure does seem a bit smaller after you've done one or two of these rides. :) Nice write up! Congrats on the (pending) SaddleSore. And nice to have met you in person. Like you said, funny I had to go all the way to Daytona to do it. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 23:55:13 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22749 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:41:31 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:42:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be6b79$83f46780$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <000601be6b0d$600bb740$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Driving TO work I saw 3 pile ups, one real bad on the FFax Parkway. Saw a > BMW Coupe with its nose drilled into the gaurd rail in the > S-bound lanes on > I395. Still can't figure out how that happened. Learn to drive on front drive Civics and Camrys. Buy a rear drive sports coupe/sedan, and learn what oversteer is. I learned on a CJ-5. Fun. Especially in off-camber situations:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 07:31:47 1999 Return-Path: RLucas@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00575 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from lantd5ex.lantd5.uscg.mil ([10.20.16.58]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29071 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by LANTD5EX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: <520492586C42D2118CD000A0C906B3F3617F24@BALTHAWEX1> From: "Lucas, Raymond CPO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Another M/C museum webpage Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:24:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > http://www.allenmuseum.com/shadow.htm > Some great pictures of vintage bikes. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 08:08:13 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01106 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:08:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s34.wizard.net [206.161.15.64]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16354 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:08:16 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:10:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be6bc0$97da1fa0$400fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <85256730.005AC6BB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Has anyone actually gotten gap insurance on a loan? I know it's a common feature of auto leases (which in themselves give a whole new meaning to "upside down" if you total the vehicle in the first year or so). Anita > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:34 AM > To: Chris Norloff > Cc: Dale Horstman; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: I need to rant > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what "gap insurance" is for? Any > insurance experts on the list that can step up and explain that? > > --chris From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 09:18:14 1999 Return-Path: maxbiaggi2@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com ([128.11.68.129]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02110 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:18:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990311141928.1176.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [131.171.245.167] by send205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:19:28 PST Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:19:28 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Wakefield Subject: Virtual Moto Racing. . . To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can't possibly be the only one here "juvenile" enough to have tried this but. . . Last summer I picked up a used Sega Genesis from a pawn shop for $15. (The whole market has dropped out from under the 16-bit game systems since the 32-bit stuff came out.) Among the games I've picked up for it since then (for $2-$3 apiece) are Super Hang-On and Road Rash III. For those unfamiliar with these, they're both superbike roadracing games, and Road Rash even allows you to run your opponents off the road, hit pedestrians, and strike the competition with clubs, pipes, chains, etc. This stuff is simply hilarious, so I can't believe I've never seen a game system like this set up at any of the dc cycle parties I've been to. You folks don't know what you're missing. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 09:33:25 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02348 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:33:23 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA15882; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:34:31 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014928; Thu, 11 Mar 99 09:32:10 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8F009T3PQQF2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256731.004F8CFC ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:28:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:28:54 -0500 Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256731.004F493D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yes, I bought a new car in October and have gap ins. on it through USAA. I never asked about gap ins. for the bike since it is payed off. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Date: 03/11/99 01:10:53 PM GMT Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. Has anyone actually gotten gap insurance on a loan? I know it's a common feature of auto leases (which in themselves give a whole new meaning to "upside down" if you total the vehicle in the first year or so). Anita > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:34 AM > To: Chris Norloff > Cc: Dale Horstman; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: I need to rant > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what "gap insurance" is for? Any > insurance experts on the list that can step up and explain that? > > --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 09:47:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02600 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA24144; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:47:51 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022469; Thu, 11 Mar 99 09:44:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8F00BU0QBN6K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256731.0050B267 ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:41:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:37:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Virtual Moto Racing. . . To: Dave Wakefield Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256731.00506E82.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I have a Sony Playstation with the games Road Rash 3D and Moto Racer 2. Of the two, I'd have to say I prefer Road Rash 3D. Moto Racer is a racing simulator in which you race either road bikes or dirt bikes. The game play is very twitchy and fast and it's hard to ride smoothly. If you don't crash, the competitor bikes are far too slow. If you do crash (and you will), it's very hard to win a race. Road Rash 3D is very different. It's a racing game, but more along the lines of a Sunday group-ride race. Ride at full throttle through towns, mow down pedestrians, whack other bikers with 2x4s, wheelie over cars, etc. Very fun. If you're not worried about winning the races, you can also take a side trip on any road you want and take a leisurely ride around the countryside with no other bikes to worry about. It's possible to low-side and high-side (high-siding is hilarious), slide the rear end, and wheelie. You can choose from four different styles of bikes (Rat, Sport, Race, and Cruiser) in each of three levels. This is by far the better of the two games. If you have a PC, check out the new SBK: World Superbike Championship. It's supposed to be fantastic, but very system-hungry. Check the system requirements first. Chris Weaver ------------- Dave Wakefield wrote: I can't possibly be the only one here "juvenile" enough to have tried this but. . . Last summer I picked up a used Sega Genesis from a pawn shop for $15. (The whole market has dropped out from under the 16-bit game systems since the 32-bit stuff came out.) Among the games I've picked up for it since then (for $2-$3 apiece) are Super Hang-On and Road Rash III. For those unfamiliar with these, they're both superbike roadracing games, and Road Rash even allows you to run your opponents off the road, hit pedestrians, and strike the competition with clubs, pipes, chains, etc. This stuff is simply hilarious, so I can't believe I've never seen a game system like this set up at any of the dc cycle parties I've been to. You folks don't know what you're missing. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 10:05:30 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03013 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09464 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:04:55 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B105886D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: race bike for sale Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:04:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Respond to him, not me if interested... > -----Original Message----- > From: Kaw500630@XXXXXX [SMTP:Kaw500630@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 8:26 AM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: race bike for sale > > hey gang i have to go back to schol which means i have to sell the race > bike. > It's a 90 EX500 fully safety wired and clamped. the bike has been run at > two > track days and went down once. I have a replacement fairing (brand new > airtech) and all necessary parts. there is a small dent on top of the > tank > and one exhaust canister is scuffed. I'll include two other OEM exhaust > systems and have just fitted new dunlop 591s. I'm asking 1350 or BO. I > live > in new jersey. > i'm upset that i have to sell it, but my financial aid fell thru. . .if > anyone > can let me know about interested parties please let me. i also have pics > of > the bike if you want. > alex > > To unsubscribe: EX500-request@XXXXXX > with: unsubscribe - in message body From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 10:15:38 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03194 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA13454; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:15:04 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990311151458.ZIBZ7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:14:58 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:13:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be6bd1$ab1e0200$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <85256731.004F493D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal I've heard that you can insure your bike beyond the market value. Makes sense considering all the accessories that can be had, paint jobs, and mechanical modifications that can be done. No need for gap insurance on a paid for bike. > Yes, I bought a new car in October and have gap ins. on it > through USAA. I > never asked about gap ins. for the bike since it is payed off. > > --chris > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> > Date: 03/11/99 01:10:53 PM GMT > Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. > > > > > Has anyone actually gotten gap insurance on a loan? I know it's a common > feature of auto leases (which in themselves give a whole new meaning to > "upside down" if you total the vehicle in the first year or so). > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 10:27:06 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03379 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA03175 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:26:54 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:26:54 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:26:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can also get a package known as "Stated Value" that will insure your pride & joy for what you feel it is worth. Your best bet for anything other than vanilla insurance is to find a good independent agent - they will have more options available to them than a company rep. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 11:00:48 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04015 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14119 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:00:15 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B1058872@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Non-Moto: FW: Job Announcement Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:00:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Passing this one along just incase anyone is looking for a change of scenery.....Having worked in this office for the past three years (in a different division) i can tell you that the job is not overly = challenging, but not completely boring either. 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Completed application packages must be = received >=20 > by 03/19/99. ** >=20 > =20 >=20 > ABOUT THIS POSITION: The incumbent provides technical expertise on a >=20 > broad range of mechanical marine equipment and systems to = headquarters >=20 > and field personnel, and representatives of the marine industry. = S/he >=20 > analyzes complex and novel design proposals for various mechanical >=20 > shipboard systems and equipment for compliance with U.S. and >=20 > international standards; extends and significantly adapts engineering >=20 > principles, practices and techniques to material, equipment, or = system >=20 > designs with special requirements and to resolve problems; = participates >=20 > in inspections of vessels; conducts failure analyses of complex = systems >=20 > and recommends alternative designs as appropriate; interprets, = advises on >=20 > and formulates revisions to design and engineering regulations, = standards >=20 > and guidelines; prepares a wide variety of technical reports, = memoranda >=20 > and correspondence (including formal appeal responses); and, provides >=20 > training and guidance to other engineers on mechanical engineering = and >=20 > system analysis. The position requires particular expertise in = shipboard >=20 > incineration systems, steering power and control systems, hydraulic >=20 > propulsion control systems, piping systems, pressure vessels, >=20 > firefighting systems, cargo and venting systems, diving systems, and >=20 > related equipment. >=20 > =20 >=20 > NOTE: Duties require some travel (i.e., approximately 1-5 days per >=20 > month). >=20 > =20 >=20 > BASIS OF RATING: Competitors will be rated on the basis of the = extent >=20 > and quality of experience and training relevant to the duties of the >=20 > position, based on information contained in their applications and = their >=20 > responses to the questions on the Supplemental Questionnaire found in = the >=20 > following pages. Answers to the questions MUST be provided on the = Form >=20 > C (by mail), or via the Internet at the OPM web site (see below). >=20 > INCOMPLETE APPLICATIONS MAY RESULT IN A LOWER OR INELIGIBLE RATING. >=20 > =20 >=20 > APPLICANTS MAY REQUEST APPLICATION MATERIALS FOR THIS POSITION BY: 1) >=20 > WRITING: U.S. Office of Personnel Management, Raleigh Service = Center, >=20 > 4407 Bland Road, Suite 200, Raleigh, North Carolina 27609. OR 2) >=20 > CALLING: (919)790-2822 and leaving their name, address and = announcement >=20 > # so application materials may be sent. >=20 > =20 >=20 > APPLICANTS MAY FILE ON-LINE (HTTP://WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV): You can = use >=20 > your computer to access our Internet site where you can search for >=20 > current job openings and file an application on-line (i.e., resume = and/or >=20 > Supplemental Qualification Statement). After completing the >=20 > qualifications statement and/or resume, you MUST still send any other >=20 > required forms to our office listed above. If sending your resume = from >=20 > the web site, you MUST complete the Supplemental Qualifications = Statement >=20 > on-line also. If applying on-line, you MUST do so before midnight >=20 > Eastern Standard Time of the closing date. >=20 > =20 >=20 > PLEASE INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING MATERIALS IN YOUR APPLICATION PACKAGE = AND >=20 > SUBMIT THEM TO THE ADDRESS ABOVE: your completed Form C (unless = applying >=20 > on-line--see above); your application/resume; your DD-214 if claiming >=20 > veterans preference; and your SF-15 (Appl. for 10 pt. Veteran = Preference) >=20 > and proof of preference if claiming 10-points veterans preference. = Be >=20 > sure to write the announcement number on the front of your >=20 > application/resume to ensure quick and accurate processing. >=20 > =20 >=20 > QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS >=20 > Applicants must show that they possess a knowledge of professional >=20 > engineering principles, methods and procedures through the following: >=20 > =20 >=20 > _ completion of a bachelor's or higher degree in engineering from = an >=20 > ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology) = accredited >=20 > school or that included courses in differential and integral >=20 > calculus and courses (beyond first-year physics and chemistry) = in >=20 > five of the following seven areas of engineering science or = physics: >=20 > (a) statics, dynamics; (b) strength of materials (stress-strain >=20 > relationships); fluid mechanics, hydraulics; (d) = thermodynamics; >=20 > (e) electrical fields and circuits; (f) nature and properties of >=20 > materials (relating particle and aggregate structure to = properties); >=20 > and (g) any other comparable area of fundamental engineering >=20 > science or physics, such as optics, heat transfer, soil = mechanics, >=20 > or electronics. >=20 > OR >=20 > _ registration as a professional engineer by a state, the District = of >=20 > Columbia, Guam, or Puerto Rico. >=20 > OR >=20 > _ successfully passed the Engineering-in-Training (IT) = examination, or >=20 > the written test required for professional registration that is >=20 > administered by the Boards of Engineering Examiners in the = various >=20 > states, the District of Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico, and >=20 > completed all the requirements for either (a) a bachelor's = degree in >=20 > engineering technology (BET) from an accredited college or >=20 > university that included at least 60 semester hours of courses = in >=20 > the physical, mathematical, and engineering sciences, or (b) a = BET >=20 > from an ABET-accredited program. >=20 > OR >=20 > _ a combination of at least 4 years of college-level education, >=20 > training, and/or technical experience that included successful >=20 > completion of at least 60 semester hours of courses in the = physical, >=20 > mathematical, and engineering sciences, including the courses = listed >=20 > in the first paragraph above. (NOTE: The courses must be fully >=20 > acceptable toward meeting the requirements of a professional >=20 > engineering curriculum.) >=20 > OR >=20 > _ successful completion of a curriculum leading to a bachelor's = degree >=20 > in engineering technology or in an appropriate professional = field >=20 > (e.g., physics, chemistry, architecture, computer science, >=20 > mathematics, hydrology, or geology) AND have at least 1 year of >=20 > professional engineering experience under the guidance and >=20 > supervision of a professional engineer. >=20 > =20 >=20 > IN ADDITION applicants must have at least 1 full year of professional >=20 > mechanical engineering design, evaluation, problem resolution, and >=20 > advisory experience (equivalent to at least the GS-12 in the Federal >=20 > service) for complex mechanical shipboard systems and equipment. >=20 > Experience must have involved mechanical systems such as shipboard >=20 > incineration systems, steering power and control systems, hydraulic >=20 > propulsion control systems, piping systems, pressure vessels, >=20 > firefighting systems, cargo and venting systems, diving systems, and >=20 > related equipment. Experience must also have involved design, = evaluation >=20 > and/or advisory work with domestic and international mechanical >=20 > engineering standards and codes for ships/vessels. >=20 > =20 >=20 > VOLUNTEER WORK: Credit will be given for appropriate unpaid = experience >=20 > or volunteer work on the same basis as for paid experience, provided = it >=20 > is directly related to the job for which you are applying. To = receive >=20 > proper credit, you must show the actual time spent in such = activities. >=20 > =20 >=20 > NOTE: Only education and experience acquired before the filing = deadline >=20 > will be considered. >=20 > =20 >=20 > MEDICAL REQUIREMENTS: Eligibles are subject to meeting the medical >=20 > requirements of the position, if any. This determination will be = made at >=20 > the time of appointment. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 11:13:08 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04190 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:13:07 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2QYBa23192 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:12:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1c9c8c7c.36e7eb6d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:12:29 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Insurance/Financing/etc. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 My boss just got a Road King which he has insured through Progressive. He managed to get Replacement Value insurance for it - which I didn't even know was an option until he told me about it. This would seem the best way to go assuming it's halfway affordable. -matt From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 11:54:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04878 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12041 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06439 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA05998 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6AE3.B1571FB0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: GIVI Site Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:49:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone get into the Givi site? I've been trying the following URL and keep getting a 404/not found: http://www.givi.it/sub_index/eng.html TIA. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 12:07:57 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05156 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12341 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA06889 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:07:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990311170945.1525.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web304.yahoomail.com; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:09:45 PST Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:09:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: GIVI Site To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John, I got 404 on the particular page you're looking for, but I could get into the main GIVI site with http://www.givi.it Didn't continue on in cause i'm not sure what you're looking for :) Collin ---"Carver, John" wrote: > > Can anyone get into the Givi site? I've been trying the following URL > and keep getting a 404/not found: > http://www.givi.it/sub_index/eng.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 12:23:59 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05444 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5FR3PAC; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:22:57 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non-moto - Looking for housing Message-ID: <19990311.195529.5263.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-9 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:22:57 EST Does anyone know of some living space for rent in the Reston, Herndon, Fairfax area that might not have been listed in the Washington Post classifieds? I'm looking for an efficiency as a first choice or an apartment in someone's basement as a second choice, or a room for rent as a third choice. I'd like stay below $600 including utilities. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for the non-moto content, but I'm growing desperate. Thanks. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 13:30:27 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06702 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA11574; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:30:22 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA19877; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:30:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:30:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More on "Mr. Daytona" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those interested in the Scott Russell situation Motorcylce Online (http://www.motorcycle.com) has posted a story about the events that may have occured at the bar on that infamous evening. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 14:05:23 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07417 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:05:21 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA00414; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:05:33 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029640; Thu, 11 Mar 99 14:03:54 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8G00ABF2BLKA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256731.00686C97 ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:00:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:56:36 -0500 Subject: Re: More on "Mr. Daytona" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256731.00682890.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL That "story" on Motorcycle Online seems like irresponsible journalism to me. They presented a lot of speculative stuff, but there were no facts that aren't already well known to anyone following the story. The scenario they put forth had nothing to back it up, and the writer even admitted "Need to Verify But Will Fly it Out Into the Wind Anyway." If the story hasn't been verified, it should not have been "flown out there" in the first place. If the story turns out to be false, it seems to me that Russell would have a pretty good case for libel against MO. I want to know more about the incident myself, but I'd rather read more responsible stories that actually have some credibility to them. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 15:37:29 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web312.yahoomail.com (web312.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.108]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09092 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:37:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990311203641.5131.rocketmail@web312.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web312.yahoomail.com; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:36:41 PST Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:36:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: More on "Mr. Daytona" To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, "Hugh A. Caldwell" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd like to hear more about the "true" scoop of what happened too... But until we do, check out the "news" section of www.amasuperbike.com for the SATIRICAL piece on Russel's assailant. It's pretty funny, and they make it clear in big bold letters that it is satirical humor, not a news story. Collin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 15:43:38 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09189 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:43:35 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQggcw16434; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256731.007282AA ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:50:45 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256731.0072808B.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:34:35 -0500 Subject: Re: More on "Mr. Daytona" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline No offense to anyone who may love this publication, but it seems like a lot of what is published on Motorcycle Online is, at best, hearsay. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX on 03/11/99 01:56:36 PM To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: More on "Mr. Daytona" That "story" on Motorcycle Online seems like irresponsible journalism to me. They presented a lot of speculative stuff, but there were no facts that aren't already well known to anyone following the story. The scenario they put forth had nothing to back it up, and the writer even admitted "Need to Verify But Will Fly it Out Into the Wind Anyway." If the story hasn't been verified, it should not have been "flown out there" in the first place. If the story turns out to be false, it seems to me that Russell would have a pretty good case for libel against MO. I want to know more about the incident myself, but I'd rather read more responsible stories that actually have some credibility to them. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 17:08:32 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10694 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA14066; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:08:49 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma009692; Thu, 11 Mar 99 17:00:05 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8G00FLWAGU4W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256731.00788723 ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:56:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:51:34 -0500 Subject: East Coast Superbike - Anyone Going? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256731.00782E00.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Is anyone on the list planning on going to the Mid-Ohio, Road Atlanta or Loudon Superbike rounds this year? Anyone been in the past and have recommendations for the trip? Following is the Superbike schedule: Date Circuit Mar 7 Daytona International Raceway, Daytona Beach, FL Mar 21 Phoenix International Raceway, Phoenix, AZ Apr 18 Willow Springs Raceway, Rosamund, CA Apr 25 Sears Point Raceway, Sonoma, CA May 2 Laguna Seca Raceway, Monterey, CA Jun 5 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA Jun 6 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA Jun 13 Road America, Elkhart Lake, WI Jun 20 New Hampshire International Speedway Loudon, NH Jul 18 Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course Lexington, OH Aug 1 Brainerd International Raceway Brainerd, MN Sep 19 Pikes Peak Internation Raceway Fountain, CO Oct 3 Las Vegas Motor Speedway Las Vegas, NV Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 23:27:51 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16946 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2GCBa14065; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:24:54 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <19a72d82.36e89716@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:24:54 EST To: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Well, the fat lady hasn't sung, but she's being introduced by the M.C. Sometime this weekend, I go to exchange a small slip of paper for a '93 CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, mag-knight tank protector, Corbin gunfighter, shop-manual, and smoked windscreen. (Stock windscreen intact & packaged.) $5200 after all is said and done. (Blue book retail) For those who know him, previous owner is Stephen Lee, out of CAMS. So.....who's up for a ride sometime soon? (!!!!!!!) -Sean Jordan '78 Honda CB400T (Hawk II) '83 Honda Interceptor '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 00:09:28 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17564 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:09:26 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA08377; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:08:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903120508.AAA08377@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! To: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:08:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19a72d82.36e89716@aol.com> from "Eternity23@aol.com" at Mar 11, 99 11:24:54 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, mag-knight tank > -Sean Jordan Oh my.... another open-classer. You really want to give your old man fits ??? _zjt (PS: yeah, I am back after 8 weeks on the road; sitting in Seoul with weather around freezing point I was hoping to catch a nice, sunny weather good for spring rides - and landed in a white stuff country. That really sucks...) _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 02:06:06 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA19619 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20830 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA08009 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA10674; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:58:03 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36E8BAFA.2C26F374@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:58:02 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HJC Chatter Box Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys & Gals, Thinking about purchasing the above mentioned subject. It would be nice to chat with a friend(s) while we ride. I would appreciate hearing about your experiences with the chatter-box. Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 02:33:40 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA20557 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id CAA14673; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:32:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:32:39 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: djonesj cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HJC Chatter Box In-Reply-To: <36E8BAFA.2C26F374@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A friend and I had the idea while shopping for cell phones, that a cleverly attached ear-piece (as used by telephone operators) would allow us to talk to eachother over our phones while riding our bikes. This works especially well if you have unlimited weekend minutes and a long battery life. Has anybody tried this? Are mobile phones too volitile to take the rapid movement (then again, they work in cars, right?)? Just an idea, really, but would be really nice not to have to buy even more equipment. We have yet to try it as he is still looking for a bike, and I have yet to succumb to the corless phone culture. Allbests, Erik ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, djonesj wrote: > Hey Guys & Gals, > > Thinking about purchasing the above mentioned subject. It would be nice > to chat with a friend(s) while we ride. I would appreciate hearing about > your experiences with the chatter-box. > > Thanks, DJ > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 05:33:18 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23349 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust002.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.2]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA13448; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:34:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990312053550.006a488c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:35:50 -0500 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! In-Reply-To: <19a72d82.36e89716@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Congratulations. That's a good bike. It should last a long time, too. Leon. At 11:24 PM 3/11/99 EST, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >Sometime this weekend, I go to exchange a small slip of paper for a '93 >CBR1000F. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 07:52:46 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25401 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA20424 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:30 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:30 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, >>mag-knight tank >> -Sean Jordan >Oh my.... another open-classer. You really want to give your old >man fits ??? So who do you think co-signed for him?? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:00:00 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25401 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA20424 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:30 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:30 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, >>mag-knight tank >> -Sean Jordan >Oh my.... another open-classer. You really want to give your old >man fits ??? So who do you think co-signed for him?? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:33:41 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00823 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:33:38 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA08747; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:31:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903121331.IAA08747@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! To: mike@XXXXXX (Jordan, Michael) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:31:47 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Jordan, Michael" at Mar 12, 99 04:52:28 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > >> CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, >>mag-knight > tank > >> -Sean Jordan > > >Oh my.... another open-classer. You really want to give your old >man fits > ??? > > So who do you think co-signed for him?? > His girlfriend ?? His mother ?? His boss ?? Coleman ?? Santa Claus ?? WSDYMF ?? > Michael J. > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:46:14 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01087 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA14409; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:42:18 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312134540.HJCB18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:45:40 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:43:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be6c8e$528f6e40$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19a72d82.36e89716@aol.com> That is quite a bargain. I've seen Stephens bike (soon to be yours) and was very impressed by its condition. Congratz. Looking for better wx. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX [mailto:Eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 11:25 PM > To: cbr@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! > > > Well, the fat lady hasn't sung, but she's being introduced by the M.C. > Sometime this weekend, I go to exchange a small slip of paper for a '93 > CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, > mag-knight tank > protector, Corbin gunfighter, shop-manual, and smoked windscreen. (Stock > windscreen intact & packaged.) $5200 after all is said and done. > (Blue book > retail) For those who know him, previous owner is Stephen Lee, > out of CAMS. > So.....who's up for a ride sometime soon? (!!!!!!!) > > -Sean Jordan > > '78 Honda CB400T (Hawk II) > '83 Honda Interceptor > '93 CBR1000F > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:46:31 1999 Return-Path: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01089 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:46:30 -0500 (EST) From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from Bluice101@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2FGWa20669 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:45:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <825e3591.36e91a6c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:45:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Chatter Box Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Hello, I am a co-director of a local women's motorcycle club. When we take rides as a group me another women always were the radios. Not only are we able to monitor the group and keep problems under check but when we ride by our selves it is really nice to advise eachother of things we might like to stop and see or if it is time for "PB" They are clear and go for about 1/2 mile.I hook my radio into mine and have music at the same time. Anyway hope that helps, Debbie From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:47:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01106 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27346 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00190 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA09769 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6C64.B94DDDD0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:45:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Iron Butt?? -- Think you got one?? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:45:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone else read the article in the new motorcyclist yet about the couple that has been riding around the world in a CX500 since 1983? The "article" is mostly pictures, but hey, they're worth 1,000 words. The couple sold everything they own when he was 25, and she 23, back in '83. One incident that I found "interesting" is when they were riding in the former Soviet Union, (Yugoslavia??), and " . . .the bike started hissing and steaming". Apparently a truck in front of them was carrying acid in old, rusty barrels and it was leaking out onto the road surface (and their bike). What could be better than a 16 year ride?? John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:50:44 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01185 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:50:15 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Daytona on Tape? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:50:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Someone said they had the race on tape? Any possibility I can get a copy.. one of my friends missed it (she lives in FL.. so it'll need to be a copy). Actually, she didn't 'miss' it.. she was stuck on Turn 6 AT Daytona.. and wants to see the race on tape. Thanks, Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:51:46 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01205 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2HPMa10434 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:50:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3edd7cb1.36e91bb8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:50:48 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Capitol 1000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Is there a website for this event? If so, where is it? If not, could someone send me any/all relevant information pertaining to this event? Thanks, -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:06:14 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01445 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:05:16 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:05:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > > Well, the fat lady hasn't sung, but she's being introduced > by the M.C. > > Sometime this weekend, I go to exchange a small slip of > paper for a '93 > > CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, > > mag-knight tank > > protector, Corbin gunfighter, shop-manual, and smoked > windscreen. (Stock > > windscreen intact & packaged.) $5200 after all is said and done. That was the first year of the 'Linked Braking System' if I recall... I remember looking at a 92 in 95.. I thought the asking price of $5000 at that time was fair.. shocking to see I might have had a real good deal sitting infront of me way back then (I turned it down cause I couldn't get the money together.. my CB1100F threw a rod through the cases about 2 months later..) Congrats.. it's a pig in the twisties, but you'll be laughing at most the rest when you hit 500miles in a day (super comphy tourer). Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:07:55 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01465 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQggfo19466 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256732.004E8393 ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:17:34 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256732.004E8280.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:01:13 -0500 Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline DAD!!?? I was wondering when I'd finally find you! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Jordan Michael" on 03/12/99 07:52:28 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! >> CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, >>mag-knight tank >> -Sean Jordan >Oh my.... another open-classer. You really want to give your old >man fits ??? So who do you think co-signed for him?? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:11:31 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01505 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA01975 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:10:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312141230.29188.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web308.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:12:30 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:12:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.cap1000.org So far there are 4 of us (that I'm aware of) from DC-Cycles. Leon Begeman, Todd Peer, Bob Broeking, and me. The Horstmans are also going up to coach and spectate. Basic details: Starts Saturday morning in Hagerstown, MD, ends Sunday morning in Hagerstown, MD. Where we will go during that time hasn't been released. Apparently the base route will be 800 miles, with a 200 mile add on for people who are only interested in doing a Saddle Sore 1000. Bonus locations released Friday night. Louis ---Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > Is there a website for this event? If so, where is it? If not, could someone > send me any/all relevant information pertaining to this event? > > Thanks, > > -Sean Jordan > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:13:09 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01581 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A0EF6FD0222; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:13:03 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312092053.018a96f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:21:04 -0500 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 In-Reply-To: <3edd7cb1.36e91bb8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:50 AM 3/12/99 , Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >Is there a website for this event? If so, where is it? If not, could someone >send me any/all relevant information pertaining to this event? > >Thanks, >-Sean Jordan http://www.cap1000.org/index.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:19:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01668 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27958 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00888 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Iron Butt?? -- Think you got one?? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:19:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I thought it was interesting about how they had to disassemble the bike to get it aboard that boat. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 8:46 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Iron Butt?? -- Think you got one?? Has anyone else read the article in the new motorcyclist yet about the couple that has been riding around the world in a CX500 since 1983? The "article" is mostly pictures, but hey, they're worth 1,000 words. The couple sold everything they own when he was 25, and she 23, back in '83. One incident that I found "interesting" is when they were riding in the former Soviet Union, (Yugoslavia??), and " . . .the bike started hissing and steaming". Apparently a truck in front of them was carrying acid in old, rusty barrels and it was leaking out onto the road surface (and their bike). What could be better than a 16 year ride?? John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:26:49 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01800 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:26:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312142827.13505.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:28:27 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Daytona on Tape? To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If anyone has it, could you bring it over on 3/21 (or send it before)? I had my VCR set to record the rebroadcast, which was preempted by the untimely and unfortunate death of the great Joe DiMaggio. ---"McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > Someone said they had the race on tape? Any possibility I can get a copy.. > one of my friends missed it (she lives in FL.. so it'll need to be a copy). > > Actually, she didn't 'miss' it.. she was stuck on Turn 6 AT Daytona.. and > wants to see the race on tape. > > Thanks, > > Brian > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:31:11 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01962 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.189]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA03214 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:31:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312143537.4723.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web307.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:35:37 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 - Date To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Doh!!! Read that as "Starts Saturday morning, June 12th, in Hagerstown, MD, ends Sunday morning, June 13th, in Hagerstown, MD." I'm still not awake yet... that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Louis ---"Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > Basic details: Starts Saturday morning in Hagerstown, MD, ends Sunday > morning in Hagerstown, MD. Where we will go during that time hasn't > been released. Apparently the base route will be 800 miles, with a > 200 mile add on for people who are only interested in doing a Saddle > Sore 1000. Bonus locations released Friday night. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:33:16 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01983 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA21302; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:32:49 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312143300.HOHT18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:33:00 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Capitol 1000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:30:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be6c94$ef125bf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3edd7cb1.36e91bb8@aol.com> http://www.cap1000.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX [mailto:Eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 8:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Capitol 1000 > > > Is there a website for this event? If so, where is it? If not, > could someone > send me any/all relevant information pertaining to this event? > > Thanks, > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:44:08 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02188 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02094; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:41:30 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B105887E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:41:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He he he.. I didn't check the weather report (rarely do ;-)) so I rode in today. From as sunny and warm as it was when I left the house at 0830 (yeah I came in late today) I can't see it snowing too much... but stranger things have happened! If it does get bad, Pepe can sleep in the DOT garage one more night :) On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:26 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > Nope, not me today. I didn't listen to the wx report the last time we had > that ice storm. I'm listening this time to the call for expected 2-3" by > this afternoon. Hmmm, but by the bitty flakes outside my window I may have > been duped. > > Guy at work was pleading with me yesterday to ride today, since he figured > if I did it would snow about 5-7" :) > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:44:42 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02213 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16575; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8H005KBKXWHF@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:46:10 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:44:12 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Daytona on Tape? To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B765C@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain You can ask Dale, I think when I taped it for him we got the whole race. > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 8:50 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: Daytona on Tape? > > Someone said they had the race on tape? Any possibility I can get a > copy.. > one of my friends missed it (she lives in FL.. so it'll need to be a > copy). > > Actually, she didn't 'miss' it.. she was stuck on Turn 6 AT Daytona.. and > wants to see the race on tape. > > Thanks, > > Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:03:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02564 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28523 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01987 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03759; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:13 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B1058881@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Interesting MC News Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:42 AM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > What's really embarrassing is to show up to a dc-cycles parking lot rodeo > and fall down. :) When you can't even stay upright in a parking lot... He he he.. well at least you weren't alone that day! How many of us managed to fall down, go boom?? The "Knot" on my left shin JUST went away this past week!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:03:18 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02574 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28529 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01995 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:12 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA08979; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903121503.KAA08979@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Iron Butt?? -- Think you got one?? To: jcarver@XXXXXX (Carver, John) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Carver, John" at Mar 12, 99 08:45:46 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > The couple sold everything they own when he was 25, and she 23, back in > '83. One incident that I found "interesting" is when they were riding > in the former Soviet Union, (Yugoslavia??), and " . . .the bike started Oh no... Yugoslavia was always an independent republic, closely aligned with Western Europe; under Tito Yugoslavia had most exchange with EU ( like semi-exchangeable currency, lot of yugoslovians working in Germany, England; YU was a vacation place for germany since late 70's...) > John > 98 VFR > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:09:36 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02715 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA10934; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:08:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010883; Fri Mar 12 09:07:50 1999 Message-ID: <36E92D70.B3B74562@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:06:24 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" CC: "'Todd Peer'" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! References: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B105887E@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't watch a weather report either, Are they calling for snow? It was enough entertainment weaving around ice patches this morning getting to work. As long as I went straight and didn't lean the bike, it seemed not to mind the ice to much (back end wobbled, but what the hell). If worse comes to worse the FJ can hang out in the FAA garage. I was the third bike in today, so it looks like others may have missed the the weather report today . Ed Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > He he he.. I didn't check the weather report (rarely do ;-)) so I rode in > today. From as sunny and warm as it was when I left the house at 0830 (yeah > I came in late today) I can't see it snowing too much... but stranger things > have happened! If it does get bad, Pepe can sleep in the DOT garage one > more night :) > > On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:26 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > Nope, not me today. I didn't listen to the wx report the last time we had > > that ice storm. I'm listening this time to the call for expected 2-3" by > > this afternoon. Hmmm, but by the bitty flakes outside my window I may > have > > been duped. > > > > Guy at work was pleading with me yesterday to ride today, since he figured > > if I did it would snow about 5-7" :) > > > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:11:27 1999 Return-Path: dbiserjr@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f63.hotmail.com [209.185.131.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02728 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7664 invoked by uid 65534); 12 Mar 1999 15:10:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19990312151026.7663.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.197.3.33 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:10:26 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.197.3.33] From: "Donnie Biser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What a pain! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:10:26 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain First post since last summer, been in lurk mode for months! I doubt anybody can help, but It can't hurt to try. Last summer I got a bunch of suggestions from you fine people on what type of bike to get, and I finally ended up getting a 95 rf600. I seem to be in a tight spot now. I bought the bike a few weeks ago, and then planned on taking the msf course to get my liscense, but... It seems as though the nice folks at the bank gave me 30 days to get insurance on the bike (I have another week left), which wouldn't be a problem except that my insurance company (Liberty Mutual) won't give me insurance unless I have my liscense (Learners doesn't count). arghhh. I am ready to take my drivers test now (been practicing on back roads and what not) but I can't use my bike because it doesn't have tags on it. and the dealer can't give me a temp tag until I have insurance. arghh. anyway, So my current thoughts are to rent/borrow/whatever a bike for a saturday so I can take the test. any suggestions/other options would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Donnie Biser Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:14:14 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02804 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21194 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8H008Y2MBBDU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:15:49 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:13:54 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! To: "'dc'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B765E@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain Let's hope that it doesn't do anything, Dale took my bike to work today because I thought it was too cold to ride. =8-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:41 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; McCoy, Brian NAB02; 'dc' > Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! > > He he he.. I didn't check the weather report (rarely do ;-)) so I rode in > today. From as sunny and warm as it was when I left the house at 0830 > (yeah > I came in late today) I can't see it snowing too much... but stranger > things > have happened! If it does get bad, Pepe can sleep in the DOT garage one > more night :) > > On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:26 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > Nope, not me today. I didn't listen to the wx report the last time we > had > > that ice storm. I'm listening this time to the call for expected 2-3" > by > > this afternoon. Hmmm, but by the bitty flakes outside my window I may > have > > been duped. > > > > Guy at work was pleading with me yesterday to ride today, since he > figured > > if I did it would snow about 5-7" :) > > > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:16:30 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02883 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA04314; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:16:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:16:18 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: East Coast Superbike - Anyone Going? In-Reply-To: <85256731.00782E00.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm thinking about going to the mid-ohio race in July, hope to find others who want to go. At the same time, Keith Code is holding his superbike school there, and I plan on taking another class. - Brian '98 YZF600R '99 HD FXDL From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:27:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03155 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28800 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02943 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06018; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B1058882@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'David Cross'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry for replying to old mail everyone.... my geocities account "held on" to about a weeks worth of mail before I switched dc-cycles to a different addy.. You haven't done this on the track yet Dave?? Last year I was battling with Shawn Walker for 5th place in a race, and I was tucked in behind him in the draft, when all of a sudden I realized that I didn't get out soon enough AND he brakes earlier than I do by a good margin... In the process of missing him, I over shot my braking marker and found myself grabbing waaay too much of the EBC HH sintered pads.... Needless to say, I passed Shawn with my rear tire way off the ground... Later he told me it was about a foot and a half off the ground.... felt like about 4 feet at the time ;-) On Friday, March 12, 1999 10:01 AM, David Cross [SMTP:david@XXXXXX] wrote: > > 5) World's fastest stoppie: 118.12 mph > > Usually a stoppie is coming to a complete stop and raising the rear > wheel off the ground using the braking power of the front brake. > Judging buy the record above this must mean he had the rear wheel off > the ground while traveling at 118mph, but how does he get the rear of > the ground to do this while moving? I've seen most of his stunts but > not this one to me recollection. > > Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:35:21 1999 Return-Path: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03346 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:35:15 -0500 (EST) From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from HiCapMag@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vPEPa18360 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:32:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:32:51 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Recommendations Wanted -- Bike Painters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 I've got a '94 V-Max, which aficianados will instantly recognize to mean that I am haunted by the godawful bumblebee yellow paint job Yamaha selected for that model year. I've got the pieces off and a color selected, but two of the pieces are an ABS plastic that no standard bodyshop is willing to touch -- epoxy versus urethane and all that. Anyone know of a bike painter accustomed to such strange material formulations? The color I want is a metallic blue that can either be mixed from color-code formula from my car, or matched to a bottle of touch-up I have. VA. is much preferred to MD or DC. Replies by e-mail please, to HiCapMag@XXXXXX -- many thanks. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:36:00 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03369 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA16522; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:34:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016489; Fri Mar 12 09:34:04 1999 Message-ID: <36E93395.37079E57@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:32:37 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Roach CC: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: East Coast Superbike - Anyone Going? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be there a couple of weeks before the races, to take the CLASS riding school. If anyone else is going for the CLASS school let me know, and we can ride up together.. Ed Brian Roach wrote: > I'm thinking about going to the mid-ohio race in July, hope to find others > who want to go. At the same time, Keith Code is holding his superbike > school there, and I plan on taking another class. > > - Brian > '98 YZF600R > '99 HD FXDL From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:37:46 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03393 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06968; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:37:14 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B1058885@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'okan1262@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ICQ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:37:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, I've been on ICQ for a loooong time...and I like it a lot. My UIN is 435732 Collin On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:34 AM, Okan Seremetoglu [SMTP:okan1262@XXXXXX] wrote: > Guys who already use icq, please send your numbers to: > okan1262@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:59:24 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03801 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA27768; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:57:58 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312155839.IBIW18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:58:39 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:56:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001001be6ca0$e5ea5760$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B765E@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Look at all the trouble Collin is causing here ;) Folks, I wrote that statement a couple of weeks ago. Collin is just now replying to it erroneously. Collin, check the date I sent that. No snow today as far as I know. Todd ____________________________________________________ I didn't watch a weather report either, Are they calling for snow? It was enough entertainment weaving around ice patches this morning getting to work. As long as I went straight and didn't lean the bike, it seemed not to mind the ice to much (back end wobbled, but what the hell). If worse comes to worse the FJ can hang out in the FAA garage. I was the third bike in today, so it looks like others may have missed the the weather report today . Ed Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > He he he.. I didn't check the weather report (rarely do ;-)) so I rode in > today. From > -----Original Message----- > From: Horstman, Tracy L [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 10:14 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! > > > Let's hope that it doesn't do anything, Dale took my bike to work today > because I thought it was too cold to ride. =8-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:41 AM > > To: 'Todd Peer'; McCoy, Brian NAB02; 'dc' > > Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! > > > > He he he.. I didn't check the weather report (rarely do ;-)) so > I rode in > > today. From as sunny and warm as it was when I left the house at 0830 > > (yeah > > I came in late today) I can't see it snowing too much... but stranger > > things > > have happened! If it does get bad, Pepe can sleep in the DOT garage one > > more night :) > > > > On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:26 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > > wrote: > > > Nope, not me today. I didn't listen to the wx report the last time we > > had > > > that ice storm. I'm listening this time to the call for expected 2-3" > > by > > > this afternoon. Hmmm, but by the bitty flakes outside my window I may > > have > > > been duped. > > > > > > Guy at work was pleading with me yesterday to ride today, since he > > figured > > > if I did it would snow about 5-7" :) > > > > > > Todd > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 11:02:15 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03886 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A83737E0154; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:52:23 EST Message-ID: <36E93A05.4DF8A104@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:00:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Daytona on Tape? References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B765C@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tracy, Actually we missed the first few laps. :( Dale Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > You can ask Dale, I think when I taped it for him we got the whole race. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 11:12:29 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04089 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AACA28600FE; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:03:22 EST Message-ID: <36E93C99.E17C8B60@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:11:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B765E@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haven't heard anything about snow. Wicked crosswinds on the morning ride in, though. Dale Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > Let's hope that it doesn't do anything, Dale took my bike to work today > because I thought it was too cold to ride. =8-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 11:20:38 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.188]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04253 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:20:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312162358.26399.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web306.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:23:58 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Sorry!! :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry for confusing the heck out of everyone on a Friday morning. Geocities (where I used to get list traffic) had a server meltdown about two weeks ago...and I took a few days to switch list traffic to yahoo... Well, this morning geocities finally started sending mail agin. Unfortunatley, all messages coming in had todays send date on them... so I got myself a little confused as to which were new messages and which ones were old... Hope I didn't give anyone undue stress for a Friday morning.... Collin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 11:46:00 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04686 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:45:58 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA15718; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:47:04 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027349; Fri, 12 Mar 99 11:15:52 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8H002BYP7K0W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256732.00590B2C ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:12:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:09:44 -0500 Subject: Re: What a pain! To: Donnie Biser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256732.005885C5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Donnie, Wow, you are in a pickle ... I would think that the ins co would "partially insure it". What I mean by that is they probably wouldn't insure it for liability or collision since you are not licensed (which you won't need anyway since you won't be riding it until properly licensed, right?) But I would think they WOULD insure you for comprehensive (bike gets knocked over, tree falls on it, etc). And hopefully that should be enough to satisfy the bank that there investment is protected. Just a thought, --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Donnie Biser Date: 03/12/99 03:10:26 PM GMT Subject: What a pain! First post since last summer, been in lurk mode for months! I doubt anybody can help, but It can't hurt to try. Last summer I got a bunch of suggestions from you fine people on what type of bike to get, and I finally ended up getting a 95 rf600. I seem to be in a tight spot now. I bought the bike a few weeks ago, and then planned on taking the msf course to get my liscense, but... It seems as though the nice folks at the bank gave me 30 days to get insurance on the bike (I have another week left), which wouldn't be a problem except that my insurance company (Liberty Mutual) won't give me insurance unless I have my liscense (Learners doesn't count). --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 11:48:11 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04708 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:48:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312165114.17181.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web308.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:51:14 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:51:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: East Coast Superbike - Anyone Going? To: Brian Roach , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You taking CSS school the following day?? If you haven't scheduled it already, you may be out of luck. Glenn Dysart would know better than me (He's in good with Keith C's secretary ;-)), but last time some of the gang was talking about it, the level 1 was filled up, and level 2 was filling fast. I'm going to try and get down that direction to watch the weekend racing.... Next year I'm going to try and race in the SS race... Collin ---Brian Roach wrote: > > > I'm thinking about going to the mid-ohio race in July, hope to find others > who want to go. At the same time, Keith Code is holding his superbike > school there, and I plan on taking another class. > > - Brian > '98 YZF600R > '99 HD FXDL > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 12:14:45 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05166 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA04467; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:56:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:56:15 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: East Coast Superbike - Anyone Going? In-Reply-To: <19990312165114.17181.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hoping to - I'm taking level 1 at pocono on May 27 (The two-day was full) and want to take lev 2 at mid-ohio. I'll have to call them and see what the deal is as far as availability. I'd still go just for the races though, if CCS is booked. - Brian On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > You taking CSS school the following day?? If you haven't scheduled it > already, you may be out of luck. Glenn Dysart would know better than > me (He's in good with Keith C's secretary ;-)), but last time some of > the gang was talking about it, the level 1 was filled up, and level 2 > was filling fast. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 12:42:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05812 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A1F17EF01FC; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:42:09 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312123658.017b5c60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:37:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Jeannette's License Plate Frame? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeannette, is this one yours? http://www.twochicks.com/mcylfrm.html "Jeannette, Arlington, VA" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 12:53:46 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06014 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA08600 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA08596 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id MAA28911; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id MAA28907; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:57:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990312125050.0124d280@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:50:50 -0500 To: "Donnie Biser" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Re: What a pain! In-Reply-To: <19990312151026.7663.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:10 AM 3/12/99 PST, Donnie Biser wrote: >I seem to be in a tight spot now. Ouch. When I bought my first bike, I didn't have a license or insurance either. Sooo, I had a friend who wrote down HIS insurance stuff, I handed the dealer that, and voila, one new bike with temp tags for me. Do this and you've got temp tags, take test and you get your license, take license and get real insurance. Ummm, yes, I'm sure this is some sort of infraction upon the law. Just a thought, it worked for me. Brad From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:08:03 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06292 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA02732 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:07:07 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312180748.IUXM18356@toddnt> for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:07:48 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be6cb2$f055b5c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Attorney J. Thomas McGrath, founder of Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (VCOM - 800.437.9434), argued in front of the Rockingham County Circuit Court that the state helmet law statute is vague because it doesn't say what the helmet standard is, but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell Standards. The court has declared the law unconstitutional. Other VA counties are not affected, but since a new statute must be passed to insulate other counties from similar suits, we may finally be able to practice our right of choice on this matter in the way to conservative Old Dominion. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:10:51 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06325 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQggge04088; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256732.0064BFDF ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:20:27 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256732.0064BF8E.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:04:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Jeannette's License Plate Frame? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeppers! : ) Aren't you the one who suggested it? I just love it! - Jeannette Chris Norloff on 03/12/99 12:37:37 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Jeannette's License Plate Frame? Jeannette, is this one yours? http://www.twochicks.com/mcylfrm.html "Jeannette, Arlington, VA" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:14:49 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06445 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9943D5000C8; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:14:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312131324.0100ed40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:15:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: What a pain! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990312125050.0124d280@ns2.pgcc.net> References: <19990312151026.7663.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:50 PM 3/12/99 , Brad wrote: >Ouch. When I bought my first bike, I didn't have a license or insurance >either. Sooo, I had a friend who wrote down HIS insurance stuff, I handed >the dealer that, and voila, one new bike with temp tags for me. >... >Ummm, yes, I'm sure this is some sort of infraction upon the law. Just a >thought, it worked for me. >Brad Don't get caught. I think Virginia is one of the states who impose a daily fine for any vehicle where the owner can't prove he had insurance for that period. The people collecting this fine are typically noted for their lack of humor. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:35:20 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06864 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11473 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8H0002OVLYQG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:36:36 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:34:42 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B7669@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain This topic is no good without Squeakers, though. Don't understand how it can be considered vague if the helmets must pass DOT, ANSI, or Snell standards - are those helmet standards so it does say what the helmet standard is - DOT, ANSI or Snell. Lawyers - guess they got to make a buck too. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:06 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > Attorney J. Thomas McGrath, founder of Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists > (VCOM - 800.437.9434), argued in front of the Rockingham County Circuit > Court that the state helmet law statute is vague because it doesn't say > what > the helmet standard is, but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell > Standards. The court has declared the law unconstitutional. > > Other VA counties are not affected, but since a new statute must be passed > to insulate other counties from similar suits, we may finally be able to > practice our right of choice on this matter in the way to conservative Old > Dominion. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:39:11 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06945 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:39:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312183941.3422.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web302.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:39:41 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:39:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh no!!! Everybody duck!!!! Louis (who isn't saying any more at this point) ---Todd Peer wrote: > > > Attorney J. Thomas McGrath, founder of Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists > (VCOM - 800.437.9434), argued in front of the Rockingham County Circuit > Court that the state helmet law statute is vague because it doesn't say what > the helmet standard is, but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell > Standards. The court has declared the law unconstitutional. > > Other VA counties are not affected, but since a new statute must be passed > to insulate other counties from similar suits, we may finally be able to > practice our right of choice on this matter in the way to conservative Old > Dominion. > > Todd > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:46:08 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07141 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:46:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312184714.20093.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send201.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:47:14 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:47:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: "Horstman, Tracy L" Cc: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Horstman, Tracy L" wrote: > Lawyers - guess they got to make a buck too. > WHY?!? Think about this: IF all the lawyers quit making money and starved to death, maybe eventually we wouldn't have any lawyers left. Most countries don't have a lawyer problem because they don't have lawyers. We got the biggest problem because we got the most lawyers. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07151 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:40:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What a pain! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:39:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) why do I think you're making this harder than it seems? I've never bought anything from a dealer (vehicle wise).. I bought my VF500 out here.. no insurance, no licence.. and had to deal with the same things you are. Geico insured me readily enough on a temp 'learnes' license.. it was more expensive, but they adjusted my rate when I sent them a copy of my normal licence. Also, I know that Maryland will issue a temp tag for any vehicle.. for the purpose of getting it inspected... I've never seen them ask for insurance info on those forms.. I can't believe VA is that much different. I think you need to shop around a little more for insurance.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:48:50 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07171 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A18C8A701FC; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:48:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312132330.01001970@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:24:33 -0500 To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Jeannette's License Plate Frame? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256732.0064BF8E.00@172.16.2.37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, I was. I was recommending the site to someone else, and noticed the familiar name. Chris Norloff At 01:04 PM 3/12/99 , Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: >Yeppers! : ) Aren't you the one who suggested it? I just love it! > >- Jeannette > >Chris Norloff on 03/12/99 12:37:37 PM > >Jeannette, is this one yours? > >http://www.twochicks.com/mcylfrm.html >"Jeannette, Arlington, VA" From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:50:46 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07250 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21446 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8H001XFWBODA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:52:02 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:50:08 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: DCCycles List Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B766C@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain But without the lawyers, there would be no suitable targets to take their place and folks might start on the bikers again and it would be Easy Rider all over again. ;) > ---"Horstman, Tracy L" wrote: > > > Lawyers - guess they got to make a buck too. > > > WHY?!? Think about this: IF all the lawyers quit making money and > starved to death, maybe eventually we wouldn't have any lawyers left. > Most countries don't have a lawyer problem because they don't have > lawyers. We got the biggest problem because we got the most lawyers. > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:02:31 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07477 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A2DC4401C0; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:54:20 EST Message-ID: <36E964AA.83C55EE1@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:02:02 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <001a01be6cb2$f055b5c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell > Standards. What's vague about that? Most helmets have that info on a tag on the inside liner. If they don't, you should go get a real one. One without fake bull horns pointing out the sides, preferably. The day I wrecked BugSlayer would have been a wonderful day to go helmetless. It was an unusually warm day, almost Spring-like in feel - I had the day off, had visited my daughter at school for lunchtime, and was just cruising on a favorite backroad at low speeds as I took a roundabout way home. I wasn't IronButting anywhere, wasn't scraping pegs, wasn't in a hurry, I was just out pleasure riding. It would have been really nice to feel the wind in my face and hair, enjoy the sights from behind my bike's custom tall fairing. Nice, that is, until I was startled by a big pickup truck in a tight corner and ran the bike off the road. When I was highsided, I had no control of how my body was going to hit the ground. I would have never chosen to hit forehead first, that's for sure. The impact forced my helmet cruelly hard back against my shoulder blades - today, almost 4 full weeks after the accident, my back and upper shoulders are still sore. My neck is still slightly stiff, too - but I am not complaining. I am thanking the good Lord everyday that I am still here. I shudder to think about the facial injuries I would have suffered (some of you who've seen me will probably argue that it might have made an improvement) - IF I would have survived. At the very least, that helmet saved me from a scalping, a concussion, maybe a broken nose or other facial injuries, possible brain damage, etc. etc. Note that even a shorty-type helmet would have performed nearly as well in this case. As it was, I was able to stand up and start gathering bike parts - and ride the bike home, rather than bleed quietly and await a nice ambulance ride somewhere. In my opinion, take it for what it's worth, you folks who are pushing to allow people to ride helmetless for a "Freedom" standpoint are foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. Flame away, but you won't change my opinion. There are days when even I would like to ride without a helmet. I used to ride dirtbikes as a kid without one. If for no other reason a Law is why I have a lid on when I crash, then that's a good thing. I have two little girls at home who only know one thing - their Daddy came home on a busted motorcycle that day. They have no idea how close he came to never coming home again. Speaking of helmets, I bought a new one at Daytona. A Nolan N-100 flip-face, white metallic color - just like Leon's. I liked my old Shoei RF700, but after doing a faceplant at ~20 mph it needed to be retired. It did it's job admirably. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:06:17 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07583 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A3A844900F4; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:57:44 EST Message-ID: <36E96576.6381EEB2@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:05:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B7669@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > Lawyers - guess they got to make a buck too. No they don't. They can all rot in black stinking pits of hell, swimming in their one wastes while being forced to listen to Barry Manilow music. Damn, I just scared myself there. Sorry. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:08:48 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07608 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'DCCycles List'" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:09:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well, when your society is based on law, it's run by lawyers. Then they write our laws so the common person can't understand them; therefore, we have a perpetual need for them to interpret those laws. That's called job security, I guess. Mitch Holmes -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:raymondlucas@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:47 PM To: Horstman, Tracy L Cc: DCCycles List Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. WHY?!? Think about this: IF all the lawyers quit making money and starved to death, maybe eventually we wouldn't have any lawyers left. Most countries don't have a lawyer problem because they don't have lawyers. We got the biggest problem because we got the most lawyers. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:10:32 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07632 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28351; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:10:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <19990312183941.3422.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Louis -- Duck?? Why should you duck? If you were WEARING a HELMET you wouldn't have to DUCK! :) :) -ph On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > Oh no!!! Everybody duck!!!! > > Louis (who isn't saying any more at this point) > > [snip] From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:39:22 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08151 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:39:14 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:43:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:43:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain The vagueness comes in when you have to decide which DOT, ANSI or Snell Standard the helmets need to meet. All of those organizations develop standards for far more than motorcycle helmets. Having a law that says a helmet must meet DOT, ANSI or Snell Standards doesn't mean a whole lot unless it specifies which of the standards it needs to meet, i.e. Snell M90 or M95. I'm not sure how the VA laws are worded but the should just state the helmets must conform to the revision of the specific DOT, ANSI or Snell Standard for motorcycle helmets that were in effect at the time of the helmets manufacture. Then there is no confusion. Don B. No I'm not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV, but I do help write regulations for the DOT. > -----Original Message----- > From: Horstman, Tracy L [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 2:27 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Cc: Burger, Donald > Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > This topic is no good without Squeakers, though. Don't understand how > it > can be considered vague if the helmets must pass DOT, ANSI, or Snell > standards - are those helmet standards so it does say what the helmet > standard is - DOT, ANSI or Snell. Lawyers - guess they got to make a > buck > too. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:06 PM > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > > > > Attorney J. Thomas McGrath, founder of Virginia Coalition of > Motorcyclists > > (VCOM - 800.437.9434), argued in front of the Rockingham County > Circuit > > Court that the state helmet law statute is vague because it doesn't > say > > what > > the helmet standard is, but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or > Snell > > Standards. The court has declared the law unconstitutional. > > > > Other VA counties are not affected, but since a new statute must be > passed > > to insulate other counties from similar suits, we may finally be > able to > > practice our right of choice on this matter in the way to > conservative Old > > Dominion. > > > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:43:46 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08238 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10LXpH-0001N4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:42:31 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01655 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NH65F>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:48:53 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED815@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:48:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > In my opinion, take it for what it's worth, you folks who are > pushing to allow people to ride helmetless for a "Freedom" > standpoint are foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. Flame > away, but you won't change my opinion. There are days when > even I would like to ride without a helmet. I used to ride > dirtbikes as a kid without one. If for no other reason a Law > is why I have a lid on when I crash, then that's a good thing. > I have two little girls at home who only know one thing - their > Daddy came home on a busted motorcycle that day. They have no > idea how close he came to never coming home again. Sorry I couldn't keep quiet any longer, Lets look at this argument from another standpoint, taken from the test above I have replaced words and put those in ( ) to illustrate my point which follows: "In my opinion, take it for what it's worth, you folks who are pushing to allow people to ride (motorcycles) for a "Freedom" standpoint are foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. Flame away, but you won't change my opinion. There are days when even I would like to (ride a motorcycle). I used to ride dirtbikes as a kid. If for no other reason a Law is why I (was in a car when) I crashed, then that's a good thing. I have two little girls at home who only know one thing - their Daddy came home in a busted (car) that day. They have no idea how close he came to never coming home again." If you can make it a law for people to where helmets to protect themselves, then to me its not too far a leap to make a law to prohibit people from riding motorcycles to protect themselves because bottom line is cars are safer than motorcycles. I would NEVER ride without my helmet but I think it is disgusting that there is a law requiring adults to do so. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 15:02:05 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08586 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA06715; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:58:25 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312200146.JKGV18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:01:46 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:59:38 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01be6cc2$dbe31460$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36E964AA.83C55EE1@tidalwave.net> I just knew Dale would respond! I'll tell you what's vague about that after you explain what the standards are. Here is what's going on. Mr. McGrath went to court to defend a citizen who was ticketed for not wearing a DOT approved helmet as interpretted by the arresting officer. The defending case stated and proved that the law was vague. The VA code (§ 46.2-910 ) on this states "The windshields, face shields, glasses or goggles, and protective helmets required by this section shall meet or exceed the standards and specifications of the Snell Memorial Foundation, the American National Standards Institute, Inc., or the federal Department of Transportation." The law refers to, but does not yield what these standards are, and for the average citizen finding these standards is nearly impossible. Even if you do find them, you couldn't read them unless you had an engineering degree. They are vague to the average consumer. DOT standards make up more than 30 pages of engineering jibberish (FMVS218) that is NOT widely available to the consumer. DOT does NOT test helmets to be sure that they pass the standards that they wrote. The manufacturers test their own helmets and certify them based on the standards. The DOT randomely selects helmets for sale with a DOT certification and allows an independant testing group to test against these rigorous standards. If a helmet passes the standards, done, no more to say. If the helmet does NOT pass, the DOT goes back to the manufacturer and requests their testing documentation. If that documentation fits DOTs standards, done, no more to say. In other words, the standards have no teeth. The gentleman I spoke to on the phone told me that in an independant study by a group in Wisconson (sorry, he couldn't find the name of the group right then) verified after testing numerous helmets using the DOT standards, 60% failed. Dale, I'm not saying that DOT approved helmets are unsafe. But given these facts, I wouldn't say that they are either. Todd ("foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous", according to Dale) Dale Horstman wrote: > Todd Peer wrote: > > but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell > > Standards. > > What's vague about that? Most helmets have that info > on a tag on the inside liner. If they don't, you should > go get a real one. One without fake bull horns pointing > out the sides, preferably. > > > In my opinion, take it for what it's worth, you folks who are > pushing to allow people to ride helmetless for a "Freedom" > standpoint are foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 15:30:24 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09202 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:30:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312203054.15801.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web302.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:30:54 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: Todd Peer , Dale Horstman Cc: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gawd.. this is why I don't like the plethora of lawyers this country has in general. I agree with Dale. They put the stickers in/on the helmets so that the consumer does not need to have an engineering degree to figure out if they have a decent helmet. Thousands of products are treated like this. It's called industry self regulation, and these same lawyers are pushing for it. Todd, you yourself are very against over regulation. There should be no reason that a government agency has to test the materials. However, if random testing proves they don't meet it, they can force a recall, etc. We do this all the time in the CG. All materials such as floor coverings, carpets, insulations, etc. on commercial vessel's have to meet ASTM (or certain other) standards and have testing done by an independent lab (usually UL). The product is then given an approval number so that each use of it doesn't need further testing... I agree that the standard itself may not be adequate (ie. if it passes snell/dot, is that "good enough") but it's a hell of a lot better than nothing. I am very surprised the court ruled like that. Doesn't seem the least bit vague to me. Helmet must show that it meets DOT, SNELL, or ANSI. Didn't think it could get any more plain than that.. heck, I think even some of the folks from West, By God, Virgina can figure that one out (just kidding WV residents). The helmets that have met one of those standards have a pretty simple label on em to show it. Collin ---Todd Peer wrote: > > I just knew Dale would respond! I'll tell you what's vague about that after > you explain what the standards are. > > Here is what's going on. Mr. McGrath went to court to defend a citizen who > was ticketed for not wearing a DOT approved helmet as interpretted by the > arresting officer. The defending case stated and proved that the law was > vague. The VA code (§ 46.2-910 ) on this states "The windshields, face > shields, glasses or goggles, and protective helmets required by this section > shall meet or exceed the standards and specifications of the Snell Memorial > Foundation, the American National Standards Institute, Inc., or the federal > Department of Transportation." The law refers to, but does not yield what > these standards are, and for the average citizen finding these standards is > nearly impossible. Even if you do find them, you couldn't read them unless > you had an engineering degree. They are vague to the average consumer. > > DOT standards make up more than 30 pages of engineering jibberish (FMVS218) > that is NOT widely available to the consumer. DOT does NOT test helmets to > be sure that they pass the standards that they wrote. The manufacturers > test their own helmets and certify them based on the standards. The DOT > randomely selects helmets for sale with a DOT certification and allows an > independant testing group to test against these rigorous standards. If a > helmet passes the standards, done, no more to say. If the helmet does NOT > pass, the DOT goes back to the manufacturer and requests their testing > documentation. If that documentation fits DOTs standards, done, no more to > say. In other words, the standards have no teeth. > > The gentleman I spoke to on the phone told me that in an independant study > by a group in Wisconson (sorry, he couldn't find the name of the group right > then) verified after testing numerous helmets using the DOT standards, 60% > failed. > > Dale, I'm not saying that DOT approved helmets are unsafe. But given these > facts, I wouldn't say that they are either. > > Todd ("foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous", according to Dale) > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell > > > Standards. > > > > What's vague about that? Most helmets have that info > > on a tag on the inside liner. If they don't, you should > > go get a real one. One without fake bull horns pointing > > out the sides, preferably. > > > > > > > In my opinion, take it for what it's worth, you folks who are > > pushing to allow people to ride helmetless for a "Freedom" > > standpoint are foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 15:52:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09628 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA15338; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:48:35 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312205156.JRKB18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:51:56 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:49:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002301be6cc9$ddb7a920$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990312203054.15801.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> > Gawd.. this is why I don't like the plethora of lawyers this country > has in general. > I agree with Dale. They put the stickers in/on the helmets so that > the consumer does not need to have an engineering degree to figure out > if they have a decent helmet. Thousands of products are treated like > this. > It's called industry self regulation, I got nothing against industry self regulation when it comes to adhering to established statutes. I just got a problem with the reasoning behind the statutes to begin with. I wonder if you "Glad the law is there" types will say the same when this country finally gets Mandatory Leg protectors, Mandatory BHP, and other inane and arbitrary legislation designed to protect you from yourself. I too believe there are too many lawyers in this country, but like they say "When you need one....". The guy that got nicked for a 'non-dot' helmet didn't agree that he did anything wrong and fought the rap on the States turf. If the system can screw with you, you have a right to screw with it using there rules if you can. Don't you? Or have we lost the right to defend ourselves now. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 16:03:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09813 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A12298A029E; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:03:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312160301.017cd900@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:10:04 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <001f01be6cc2$dbe31460$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <36E964AA.83C55EE1@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 02:59 PM 3/12/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >ticketed for not wearing a DOT approved helmet as interpretted by the >arresting officer. The defending case stated and proved that the law was >vague. The VA code (=A7 46.2-910 ) on this states "The windshields, face >shields, glasses or goggles, and protective helmets required by this= section >shall meet or exceed the standards and specifications of the Snell Memorial >Foundation, the American National Standards Institute, Inc., or the federal >Department of Transportation." The law refers to, but does not yield what >these standards are, and for the average citizen finding these standards is >nearly impossible. =20 If they look for the standards. Most people would just look for a sticker stating that the helmet meets the standards. >Even if you do find them, you couldn't read them unless >you had an engineering degree. They are vague to the average consumer. So are most, if not all, engineering standards. =20 My biggest concern with fights like this is that I believe they'll win the battle and lose the war. You can beat the specifics of a law like this on these technicalities. But you can lose big-time when it comes to motorcyclist rights overall. =20 The question is not how much a particular helmet of a particular standard protects a rider, the question is about how much risk a person is allowed to take. By shifting the debate from risk and rights to quibbling over an average consumer reading an engineering standard, we risk much broader anti-motorcycle legislation that gets around the helmet law technical challenges (motorcycle bans and excessive insurance requirements, for= example). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 16:10:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09935 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A2D7414021C; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:10:47 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312161624.017d6420@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:18:52 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <002301be6cc9$ddb7a920$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <19990312203054.15801.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:49 PM 3/12/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >I got nothing against industry self regulation when it comes to adhering to >established statutes. I just got a problem with the reasoning behind the >statutes to begin with. > >I wonder if you "Glad the law is there" types will say the same when this >country finally gets Mandatory Leg protectors, Mandatory BHP, and other >inane and arbitrary legislation designed to protect you from yourself. Just as people's failure to use seat belts led to passive restraints, automatic seat belts, and air bags, I believe people's failure to use helmets and other protective gear will result in more emphasis on re-designing the vehicle to "make up" for those failures -- and that means leg protectors, motorcycle air bags, etc. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 16:34:10 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10407 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 493; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:33:58 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990312163235.0213d330@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:33:54 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , "DC-Cycles" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990312161624.017d6420@mail.toward.com> References: <002301be6cc9$ddb7a920$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <19990312203054.15801.rocketmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:18 PM 3/12/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: >motorcycle air bags, etc. And all this time I thought motorcycle airbags were (insert opposing style of ride or manufacturer here) riders...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 16:57:52 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10905 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA03491; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:56:47 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312215727.KANN18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:57:27 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:55:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002501be6cd3$047f1850$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990312160301.017cd900@mail.toward.com> > My biggest concern with fights like this is that I believe they'll win the > battle and lose the war. You can beat the specifics of a law like this on > these technicalities. But you can lose big-time when it comes to > motorcyclist rights overall. > > The question is not how much a particular helmet of a particular standard > protects a rider, the question is about how much risk a person is allowed > to take. By shifting the debate from risk and rights to quibbling over an > average consumer reading an engineering standard, we risk much broader > anti-motorcycle legislation that gets around the helmet law technical > challenges (motorcycle bans and excessive insurance requirements, > for example). > > Chris Norloff Thanks for your input Chris. On the surface I agree with you. However, this posture puts ALL citizens on the defending side of the equation all the time. I can't sit still for that as a citizen ruled by a gubmnt 'for and by the people'. If the damn gubmnt hadn't put these types of Nanny-laws on the books, citizens wouldn't have to keep defending themselves. In a fight where your opposition has unlimited $$ resources, and you don't, a good defense is a well orchestrated offense. Sometimes that means using the system against itself, which I have no problem with. Finally, if we risk "much broader anti-motorcycle legislation that gets around the helmet law technical challenges", what have we lost? A perceived right? Our freedom? In this case, the gubmnt wins period, end of story and no recourse available. That IS how the gubmnt plays, so why shouldn't we citizens? Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 16:57:50 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10903 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA23450; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:57:19 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312215729.KANQ18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:57:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:55:20 -0500 Message-ID: <002601be6cd3$05cf6610$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990312161624.017d6420@mail.toward.com> > At 03:49 PM 3/12/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >I got nothing against industry self regulation when it comes to > adhering to > >established statutes. I just got a problem with the reasoning behind the > >statutes to begin with. > > > >I wonder if you "Glad the law is there" types will say the same when this > >country finally gets Mandatory Leg protectors, Mandatory BHP, and other > >inane and arbitrary legislation designed to protect you from yourself. > > > Just as people's failure to use seat belts led to passive restraints, > automatic seat belts, and air bags, I believe people's failure to use > helmets and other protective gear will result in more emphasis on > re-designing the vehicle to "make up" for those failures -- and that means > leg protectors, motorcycle air bags, etc. I'm not sure of your position here Chris. Are you saying that you'd kiss the gubmnt's ass so they'll just go away quietly? Get real man! They are not going away. Agencies like NHTSA are meddlesome bureaucracies that justify their very existence by fucking with yours. Please spare me the gloom and doom if I feel like standing against them. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 18:43:16 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12838 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02998 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:43:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:43:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: WV tour in April Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know nothing more than the info at the website (which I haven't looked at too much yet)... Country Roads Motorcycle Rally, WV. http://www.bikeweekwv.com/ Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 19:37:27 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13873 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA04200 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:37:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:37:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Road boots for little feet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There are some Corbin boots available for just $199CDN in small sizes 8D and 9D. Check out http://www.islandnet.com/~apex/item24.htm Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 20:07:30 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14409 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:07:28 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hLCSa22603; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:06:39 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:06:39 EST To: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: SJordan185@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 David, I don't think anyone would argue the safety benefits of wearing a helmet. I wouldn't get on a bike without one, that is just common sense. The issue truly is the freedom of choice and who is the true beneficiary of this law. Our time should be spent on finding out the cause(s) of the accidents, resolve those issues and make it safe for everyone. Enforcing a garment doesn't make sense when the issue is so much bigger. But I will qualify all of this by saying that I am fairly new to this sport and cannot speak with your (meaning the group as a whole) knowledge, but do have concerns as to why the bill was adopted in the first place. Maybe you can help me understand? Why was the bill adopted? From a caring group of legislators concerned with the bikers' health and safety? For some reason, I have my doubts about that. >From the creator of ABATE because he/she needed a cause to fight for? I'm highly dubious on that one too. From what I've gathered, the bill was adopted to secure federal funding which failed to come thru. Please advise. Has there been a study done on motorcycle accidents that details: What age most riders have accidents? Is inexperience the reason for more accidents or just irresponsible driving by the rider, the surroundings or other vehicles? Are cars the cause of most accidents (duh)? Maybe these drivers should have their licenses revoked & make the roads safer for bikers, other motorists, pedestrians, children, animals and property. Where in the country do most bike accidents occur? Under what conditions? What time of year (although this may seem obvious, I bet the findings would be surprising)? Have accidents decreased in states offering Motorcycle Safety programs? Across the board or in certain pockets of the country? I must take issue when my freedom of choice regarding "my person" has been taken away. No one should be personally governed in such a manner. If we can't make smart decisions as an adult, then we suffer the consequences of being foolish. Candidly, I can't believe that common sense must be a matter for the courts to decide. What does our State government gain by enforcing this law? If they're gaining so much, why doesn't CT, DE, CO go along with this valiant effort? There has to be more to this law and our legislators than meets the eye. Again, who are the real benefactors? Please advise. Lee Andrese '98 V-Star Classic My First Toy--Helmet and Batteries Included From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 22:10:34 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16483 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07502 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: <030d01be6cfe$958a14a0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: What a pain! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:04:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Deja vu for me, Donnie. When just starting couple of years ago I ran into a similar Catch 22 problem. After much bobbing and weaving, had everything worked out, with the VA dealer slated to truck my new bike to the DC driver test lot, then, post-test, on to my garage, where I would call to get insurance. The glitch -- I oopsed the test. Ended up with a bike in custody off the street, MC learner permit, and no insurance. Having had the same comment as you from an insco or two (learners permit unacceptable) the rock and hard place were mashing together. It seemed the inscos were the only way out, and that evening I got on the horn with YP, MC mags, etc. and had at it. It was the second or third call that finally bore fruit -- insurance with learners permit. My smile was big enough to be heard. (Some ins and outs -- it was a smaller 500cc bike, I'm a jump over 40, etc., etc.) That's how it worked out for me, the next driver test being successful. Notes: I tried to "rent/borrow/whatever" a bike for several weeks prior to purchase/driver test, to no avail. And the dealer didn't require immediate insurance for the temp tags, probably because of the VA/DC crossover (liability always a street must for me, however). Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Had I been the first bike, we'd have passed firsttry. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Donnie Biser ...snip except that my insurance company >(Liberty Mutual) won't give me insurance unless I have my liscense >(Learners doesn't count). >arghhh. >I am ready to take my drivers test now (been practicing on back roads >and what not) but I can't use my bike because it doesn't have tags on >it. and the dealer can't give me a temp tag until I have insurance. >arghh. > >anyway, So my current thoughts are to rent/borrow/whatever a bike for a >saturday so I can take the test. > >any suggestions/other options would be greatly appreciated! >Thanks! >Donnie Biser > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 22:24:28 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16743 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07809 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <031a01be6d00$88eccb00$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:21:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 With bear, cougar, etc. reported around, one more substantive reason for helmets! (From the Vulcan list.) "There's an article in one biker mag about the bears in Alaska having a hard time finding food and have started attacking and eating humans. They found one biker and had only one peice of evidence to identify the man. Investigation show that the bear must have knocked the rider off the bike, the bears ate all the man except for his head that was still in the full face helment." Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Hmmm. How about a skunkscent spray accessory for emergencies? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: DC-Cycles Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:15 PM Subject: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > >Attorney J. Thomas McGrath, founder of Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists >(VCOM - 800.437.9434), argued in front of the Rockingham County Circuit >Court that the state helmet law statute is vague because it doesn't say what >the helmet standard is, but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell >Standards. The court has declared the law unconstitutional. > >Other VA counties are not affected, but since a new statute must be passed >to insulate other counties from similar suits, we may finally be able to >practice our right of choice on this matter in the way to conservative Old >Dominion. > >Todd > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 23:16:58 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17751 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA08909 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: <038601be6d07$df15d060$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: graspics and blizzaks Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:13:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Elie Rosenblum wrote: >>It's apparently some specially constructed rubber structure that sticks >>_really_ well to ice. I don't really know much in the way of detail as >>to how they work, though. Apparently they use this compound down to >>somewhere around 50% of the tread, beyond which it's just a normal all >>weather tire. > Chris Norloff wrote: >Neat. I've heard of Continental making a winter tire - it was made of a >special rubber that stayed soft at cold temperatures (to grip better), and >didn't warm up with driving (to avoid melting snow) and had little fingers >inside the tread grooves to work the snow out as the tire flexed. > Reviews of graspics, blizzaks at http://miata.net/products/wheels/. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> How about sprayon chewing gum for the snow a-coming? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 00:30:43 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18998 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:16:58 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:17:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01be6d10$d5601220$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B7669@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 It probably doesn't state which *specific* ANSI, DOT, Snell rating they must pass or exceed. Sounds peculiar that lawyers weren't specific enough, but you never know. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > This topic is no good without Squeakers, though. Don't understand how it > can be considered vague if the helmets must pass DOT, ANSI, or Snell > standards - are those helmet standards so it does say what the helmet > standard is - DOT, ANSI or Snell. Lawyers - guess they got to make a buck > too. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 00:37:53 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19101 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:33:41 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01be6d13$2b1bc900$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The most extensive study of MC accidents was done in 1982 or so. It's called the Hurt study (name of the author of the paper:) I don't have a url, but a quick check in one of the search engines or big moto sites should turn up the whole text as well as plenty of digested versions. If I remember from my MSF course: Alcohol is the biggest factor (I don't remember anyone delineating between cage driver and MC rider, but MC riders have more accidents per drink that cagers) Most (or a LARGE percentage) of accidents are single vehicle. IOW, someone got into a turn too hot and went over a mountain, onto the shoulder, over the guardrail, etc. The single most important piece of safety equipment (not counting that between the rider's ears) is a helmet when it comes to preventing fatal accidents. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 01:03:01 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA19545 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA04730; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:47:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a801be6d15$b63c52a0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: What a pain! Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:50:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I would just go on down to your insurance company and just tell'em that you have the proper license. What they will do (or at least in my case a few years ago... ) is issue you the insurance policy and then send you a letter statig that you have such-n-such amount of time to get the license in order. Nationwide is my carrier and I had no problems with them at all in trying to get the policy. As for Virgina's law.... if you get caught it's a $400 fee for not having insurance, PERIOD! Don't ask me how I know... -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:26 PM Subject: Re: What a pain! >At 12:50 PM 3/12/99 , Brad wrote: >>Ouch. When I bought my first bike, I didn't have a license or insurance >>either. Sooo, I had a friend who wrote down HIS insurance stuff, I handed >>the dealer that, and voila, one new bike with temp tags for me. >>... >>Ummm, yes, I'm sure this is some sort of infraction upon the law. Just a >>thought, it worked for me. >>Brad > > >Don't get caught. I think Virginia is one of the states who impose a daily >fine for any vehicle where the owner can't prove he had insurance for that >period. The people collecting this fine are typically noted for their lack >of humor. > >Chris Norloff > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 08:36:58 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29377 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.188]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA18735 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:20:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990313122248.1352.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.70.70.89] by web306.yahoomail.com; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:22:48 PST Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:22:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: What a pain! - Learners permit and insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > As for Virgina's law.... if you get caught it's a $400 fee for not having > insurance, PERIOD! Don't ask me how I know... I missed the original post, but is the person who is trying to get a licence a Virginia resident? If so, that's one of the reasons they now have a learner's permit. They gave us some information about this at the recent MSF Instructor Update in Richmond. To get the permit, you need to pass the written test, and pay something like $3 (which goes directly to the motorcycle rider courses). When you get the permit, you will be able to 1) Get insurance 2) Ride on the street under supervision of another, licenced, rider. (they have to ride near you, not on the same bike as you) 3) Above is during daylight, not at night. The reasons given for the new permit program was exactly that situation, someone not being able to get their bike to the testing site because they don't have a licence, or people riding without insurance. This was one of the more contraversial issues discussed over the update as some instructors didn't like the idea of people only taking the written, not riding test. I won't say it's perfect, but it does have it's advantages for people who for some reason can not or will not take the motorcycle rider's course. Again, this is only in VA, and you might want to ask at Motor Vehicles, as my information may not be 100% correct. [too much junk stored in the brain nowadays... :-) ] Louis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 09:50:44 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00619 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA23620 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA32073; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:15:07 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.18]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990313141814.WZWB5455@toddnt>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:18:14 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Cc: Subject: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:16:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Thanks for your comments Lee. It's nicer to read thoughtful commentary than to read the distractive emotional rhetoric that tends to follow this increasingly divisive subject. When I brought this subject up, I was just reporting the facts. The facts again in summary: Rockingham Co, VA has repealed the inforcement of the VA Statute which requires the use of a helmet while riding a motorcycle. The ruling declared the law unconstitutional in that it is too vague. Like Lee mentioned, VA adopt(s) this law in hopes of securing federal highway funding. Not out of any altruistic sense of big brotherly love for us. Iow, the US gubmnt is blackmailing our state with a threat to hold back the distribution of YOUR tax dollars. Makes me sick. Fwiw, if VA ever repeals this law, I will continue to wear my helmet. And I'm sure a lot of you will too. I personally don't like my hair (what little is left) blowing around, and I don't like getting sunburned on the pate. Most of all I want reduce the risk of a head injury. That's right, I believe a helmet can do that. I just don't believe the state needs to mandate it. If those of you worried that the sky will fall if we lose this law care enough, maybe lobbying the VA MSF to emphasize that wearing a helmet reduces a risk of fatal injury would be a less intrusive way of getting the message across. Todd On March, 12 1999 Lee Andrese wrote: > > David, I don't think anyone would argue the safety benefits of wearing a > helmet. I wouldn't get on a bike without one, that is just > common sense. The > issue truly is the freedom of choice and who is the true > beneficiary of this > law. > > Our time should be spent on finding out the cause(s) of the > accidents, resolve > those issues and make it safe for everyone. ..... > Candidly, I can't believe that common sense must be a matter for > the courts to > decide. What does our State government gain by enforcing this law? If > they're gaining so much, why doesn't CT, DE, CO go along with this valiant > effort? There has to be more to this law and our legislators > than meets the > eye. Again, who are the real benefactors? Please advise. 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------=_NextPart_000_0473_01BE6D3A.6ECE57E0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 15:04:18 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05531 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:04:16 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id uBXZa26924; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:56:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:56:36 EST To: Wishn4him@XXXXXX, POSTMAN28M@XXXXXX, Voxreri@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, HOGWILDX2@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, JFitzge669@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, SassyJazz@XXXXXX, PSYCHONORD@XXXXXX, Spitsucran@XXXXXX, Edina5@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, MCF007@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, LgOvrLethr@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, Tccard@XXXXXX, VHWALLS@XXXXXX, Tophogdog@XXXXXX, SHguts@XXXXXX, Wendyrocks@XXXXXX, Kelly68@XXXXXX, Fyrstorm74@XXXXXX, Jukon@XXXXXX, JHD93@XXXXXX, HDusenbery@XXXXXX, JSHD86@XXXXXX, easyriderddg@XXXXXX, TrixiMixi@XXXXXX, SwiftRebel@XXXXXX, Skipride@XXXXXX, Tuflilbabe@XXXXXX, WilbertG@XXXXXX, Travler333@XXXXXX, HarleyzMyn@XXXXXX, UnclChrley@XXXXXX, THall67@XXXXXX, M4CYKLONE@XXXXXX, Stacey3253@XXXXXX, Alphagrrrr@XXXXXX, barretts93@XXXXXX, MACAKITA@XXXXXX, SMitch2282@XXXXXX, WHilton361@XXXXXX, Scot615@XXXXXX, Tjahdrider@XXXXXX, Khd93@XXXXXX, SWAMPHAGG@XXXXXX, BetyBp43@XXXXXX, cnccycle@XXXXXX, HDRider5@XXXXXX, Green60283@XXXXXX, Trainer175@XXXXXX, Airrr210@XXXXXX, ShdwRdr667@XXXXXX, RUTHLEZZ@XXXXXX, EYoung5152@XXXXXX, LoneTrim@XXXXXX, DDeihl9445@XXXXXX, R90S@XXXXXX, LIKEAMU@XXXXXX, JOSEB123@XXXXXX, SConsaul@XXXXXX, LeeOwen@XXXXXX, DBASS753@XXXXXX, KIKSTARTR@XXXXXX, NIKOTROIA@XXXXXX, SMARTASSS4@XXXXXX, RPass32730@XXXXXX, DVD@XXXXXX, NICPAS1@XXXXXX, WIKDWTCH@XXXXXX, DWOLFDOG@XXXXXX, DSR6415@XXXXXX, SusanR39@XXXXXX, JimJacks@XXXXXX, JDS4X4@XXXXXX, gvhannah@XXXXXX, Caren1m@XXXXXX, Shovl82@XXXXXX, MeanMlKE@XXXXXX, HD72Sport@XXXXXX, g.snelson@XXXXXX, LWELCH@XXXXXX, FXSB1340@XXXXXX, TDarkstar@XXXXXX, Vva451ghm@XXXXXX, DDDHDRider@XXXXXX, Skingirl@XXXXXX, BULLET1891@XXXXXX, Juicyfru69@XXXXXX, HD1996@XXXXXX, JimSchillo@XXXXXX, Sailorkel@XXXXXX, DickB95410@XXXXXX, Wicked816@XXXXXX, LJFRKOKOMO@XXXXXX, FREEDM@XXXXXX, LOWRFRED@XXXXXX, Barbbeep@XXXXXX, LouNick@XXXXXX, Harleyxtcy@XXXXXX, Biker536@XXXXXX, Camel62@XXXXXX, HOGV@XXXXXX, SUPRLAWMAN@XXXXXX, JoanReMax@XXXXXX, RoylatG1@XXXXXX, WCFATBOY@XXXXXX, WYLDTHYNG1@XXXXXX, CLAINCE@XXXXXX, Ocikat@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, StrmWatch@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, khafre@XXXXXX, Crgcrisis@XXXXXX, JFA2@XXXXXX, FabThad@XXXXXX, imidysa@XXXXXX, Spike574@XXXXXX, ZX6RKAW@XXXXXX, Gcfnb@XXXXXX, DGaeng@XXXXXX, JMille5592@XXXXXX, BOOKEMinDC@XXXXXX, Carolbiker@XXXXXX, MOTOCYCLER@XXXXXX, PROBIKE4U@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, true@XXXXXX, BBtintop@XXXXXX, SEVENSPEAR@XXXXXX, JLarsen930@XXXXXX, ERICARCHER@XXXXXX, Prsdntlbch@XXXXXX, KAT88888@XXXXXX, fdinata@XXXXXX, OsbornKev@XXXXXX, snake69@XXXXXX, LBKIII@XXXXXX, SMITHCAR69@XXXXXX, HarleyDew@XXXXXX, Wizzette32@XXXXXX, Hdavbabe@XXXXXX, JTEE007@XXXXXX, peter@XXXXXX, SJordan185@XXXXXX, rockwood_lelia@XXXXXX, GUFEAR@XXXXXX, LaceWheels@XXXXXX, Ruffinmug@XXXXXX, pgerhardt@XXXXXX, Chuckbiker@XXXXXX, Onebil2mny@XXXXXX, Dadnhisboy@XXXXXX, Postman53@XXXXXX, Geeshaw@XXXXXX, Panda098@XXXXXX, EZRyder421@XXXXXX, RWitten69@XXXXXX, Ladytaz47@XXXXXX, FRexach@XXXXXX, Ndmny@XXXXXX, robin_m_gilliam@XXXXXX, BlackcatU2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **POKER RUN 3/21 & WOMEN'S LEATHERS** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 THE HEYSER'S "JK POKER RUN" HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO SUNDAY, MARCH 21 HEYSER'S IN LAUREL ON RT. 1 Registration 8:30 a.m., last bike out 10:00 a.m. Refer to their Web site for more details Heyser's Home Page On another note, one of our riders sent me this note and believe it may be of interest to some of you. Bill, have you contacted Margaret at C&C in Crofton. She has the same concerns other women do and solved the problem by opening up her own store! Give her a shout too. cnccycle@XXXXXX Subj: Womens Jacket day Date: 3/13/99 12:41:43 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Onebil2mny To: LilBkrBabe Lee, My girl friend has a problem.... One that many women riders share. Riding apparel is hard to find, especially if you aren't in to fringe and halter tops while riding. So, to help in this a local shop in Kensington, MD has agreed to have a women's day, on either a Sat. or a Sun. A First Gear rep. will be there, with lots of jackets in women's sizes. But before this is set in stone, we need to show First Gear that women will show up. So, will you send this out to the group? If a person is interested, send me a name, and E-mail address or daytime phone number. I'm not selling these, and I wont give them to any organization, honest! I just need to prove to the shop owner and First Gear rep that a lot of women will show up. Thanks! Bill Kistner Onrbil2mny@XXXXXX 301-933-6943 P.S. Since this is my business number, they can also call. Just leave the info after the beep! (the machine answers "Bill's Tool & Equipment") From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 19:19:33 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09548 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA19704 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.152] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AE6F270240; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:10:23 EST Message-ID: <36EB0086.B9C607A@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:19:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... References: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > That's right, I believe a helmet can do that. I just don't believe > the state needs to mandate it. So where is the problem?! If you believe wearing a helmet is safe, why fight a law that makes you wear one? That doesn't make sense. By fighting this law, groups like ABATE and even the AMA give the general public the impression that bikers as a whole hate helmets and won't wear them voluntarily. The public will then think that motorcycling is too dangerous, and will take steps to legislate it out of existence. None of us want that. I say leave the helmet law alone! It isn't hurting anything. Concentrate your efforts on discrimination against riders, off-road trails, HOV restrictions, etc. etc. - i.e. something that makes sense, and doesn't give the impression that we are a bunch of irresponsible risk-takers. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 19:34:11 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09779 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.152] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A1C3C3A0134; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:24:35 EST Message-ID: <36EB03DA.474589EC@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:33:30 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX wrote: > > Candidly, I can't believe that common sense must be a matter > for the courts to decide. Because "common sense" isn't necessarily all that common anymore. Sad but true. Sometimes you've got to pass laws to protect the yahoos from themselves so that the rest of us can have some fun. Dale Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 21:39:09 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11667 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:39:05 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id VAA13549; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:36:33 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma013513; Sat, 13 Mar 99 21:36:30 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8K005NECM2ON@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256734.000E040C ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:33:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:33:14 -0500 Subject: Re: On the fringes of Moto To: mobacc Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256734.000DC1F4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=rB4cMbA3DrxrJT7AB8NnIQakkOUEb978Gtc3oeX0XlmMaLwdqmF1ehxg" Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL --0__=rB4cMbA3DrxrJT7AB8NnIQakkOUEb978Gtc3oeX0XlmMaLwdqmF1ehxg Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Bill, My father (retired after 32 years in the USAF) flew that plane from 1962 to 1994. Needless to say, I have a certain affinity for it. The "Buff" ,as it is affectionately called, is truly a great plane. Some of my fondest childhood memories are living on USAF bases watching it fly overhead. Thanks for the post! --chris To: Dc Cycles cc: From: mobacc Date: 03/13/99 03:15:34 PM GMT Subject: On the fringes of Moto The pace of technology. New computers every few years, new car designs, new MC bells and whistles. Change, change, change, change, change. Well, relax on this from this morning's NYT -- "The granddaddy of United States bombers, the B-52, which first entered the nation's bomber force in June 1955, is going to have to fly four decades into the new century, the Air Force says. . . .80-plus years old [when retired]. [Other planes taking priority.]" What a record! Think about the environments, stresses and upgrades those sophisticated machines have already endured in our throwaway times. This has to be a true icon. It will be almost twice as old as the concept of heavier-than-air flight was when it was born. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Planning on lasting forever Join the AMA. 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. --0__=rB4cMbA3DrxrJT7AB8NnIQakkOUEb978Gtc3oeX0XlmMaLwdqmF1ehxg-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 09:24:48 1999 Return-Path: jugernaut@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26589 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-75-148.s148.tnt3.man.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.75.148]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id JAA26374 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:24:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EBC6A2.F7A8E3DA@erols.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:24:35 -0500 From: James Knowlton Reply-To: jugernaut@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet debate References: <199903140000.TAA09229@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:06:39 EST > To: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: SJordan185@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile > > Just wanted to put my 2 cents in today. I usually don't get involved in debates > in this list because I am too afraid of getting flamed, but what the heck - > nothing else better to do today. For myself, there is no way I would get on a motorcycle without a helmet. Not because I don't have any confidence in my ability to ride, but sometimes things happen. Hit a piece of gravel, an animal could run out in front of you, a car could cut you off, mechanical difficulty - any number of things. A helmet may or may not prevent you from getting killed, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts you reduce your chance of head injury. Wouldn't want to give you a percentage on that for fear of being wrong, but I bet it's pretty high. All of the things you said about riding ability, other people being at fault etc. are true. Motorcyclists are taught how to avoid accidents with cars, but people who drive cars are given no education in how to avoid accidents with motorcycles. Who knows what the figures are for what causes accidents? I agree that it would be money well spent finding out what the major causes of motorcycle related accidents are and find someway of rectifying it. Try running that by a legislator though. Don't think they would be too interested. The whole point is that accidents happen, and they will always happen. There is no way you can make this sport is 100% safe, with or without a study. The point is why not do something to prevent serious head injury and wear a helmet. I think if we relied on common sense of the common man, we would be in a world of hurt. Most people in this area don't have a lick of common sense or common courtesy. Just get out on the road during rush hour and I'm sure you will see what I mean. One other point I'd like to make about personal freedom and the right to wear or not to wear a helmet. Some people say that they are not harming anyone else if they do not wear a helmet. I don't think I agree entirely with that one. Suppose you get in an accident while not wearing a helmet and your a vegetable for the rest of your life. Who do you think is going to pay the bill? Everyone else whether it is through higher insurance premiums to pay your medical, or taxes if you receive government assistance. Anyway, I did not write this response to flame you. Especially sense you said you would never get on a bike without a helmet. Just wanted to get some thoughts I had on the subject out there and see if anyone agrees with my ludicrous theories. Jim '98 YZF > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 09:41:32 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26827 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:41:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:37:49 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: helmet debate Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:38:30 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01be6e28$549ee800$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <36EBC6A2.F7A8E3DA@erols.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > One other point I'd like to make about personal freedom and the > right to wear or > not to wear a helmet. Some people say that they are not harming > anyone else if they > do not wear a helmet. I don't think I agree entirely with that > one. Suppose you get > in an accident while not wearing a helmet and your a vegetable > for the rest of your > life. Who do you think is going to pay the bill? Everyone else > whether it is > through higher insurance premiums to pay your medical, or taxes > if you receive > government assistance. The old 'social burden' theory. Guess what? It doesn't work. There's no evidence that as a group motorcyclists cost any more to society than cagers/pedestrians/truckers/possums. Nice try though. It is an argument that 'feels' right. But it isn't. So with that out the window.... There's no real reason for helmet laws except to push us down the slippery slope towards extinction. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 10:26:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27505 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00196 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10227 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03169 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust018.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.18]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA18616 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:28:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990314102446.006a9910@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:24:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Helmet laws In-Reply-To: <36EB0086.B9C607A@tidalwave.net> References: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Remind me again why it IS ok to go 'joy-riding' in a motor vehicle and why it IS NOT ok to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Both groups of citizens are taking unnecessary risks with their own lives (and the lives of their fellow citizens.) Shouldn't both of these activities be restricted in a similar manner? Leon. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 12:39:34 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29630 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA06053 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA01733; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:39:05 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.167.58]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990314173859.YJCI5455@toddnt>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:38:59 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: RE: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:36:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be6e41$403187b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36EB0086.B9C607A@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > > Todd Peer wrote: > > That's right, I believe a helmet can do that. I just don't believe > > the state needs to mandate it. > > So where is the problem?! If you believe wearing a helmet is safe, > why fight a law that makes you wear one? That doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense Dale? You keep avoiding the central issue of this entire debate, legislated safety as opposed to personal choice. You keep pointing to the 'dummies' and 'idiots' that would not otherwise wear a helmet unless they were forced to. Don't people have a right to be stupid (in your opinion) if they want to? If not, why not? Maybe instead of requiring that everyone be treated like the lowest common denominator (the so-called stupid people), our gubmnt can just outlaw stupidity. That should take care of it right? Problem is, it's a matter of subjective opinion. > ........ > The public will then think that motorcycling is too dangerous, and > will take steps to legislate it out of existence. None of us want that. It's obvious you won't be persuaded on this, and that's fine. I just wish you'd stick to the issue. Speculating on what will happen to motorcyclings future if we continue down this 'dangerous' path is more of a waste of time than showing a little solidarity. As if the only issues that matter are the ones you care about. I look at the repeal of helmet laws like a victory for all of us. If we don't fight on this issue, it's like giving ground to an ever intrusive state. After we win this repeal (and we will, like it or not), we can start debating leg protectors. And when we win that one, we can start debating BHP limits. And on, and on. And I'm sure somebody will give me a hard time about that too. Oh well. Todd(no riding today, it's snowing :( From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 16:54:59 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04008 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA10814 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:54:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EC5B48.6D8B@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:58:48 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: [Fwd: FS: '93 motorcycle ...] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------73F42C092B91" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------73F42C092B91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, This looks like it might be a deal. Usual disclaimers apply :) JK --------------73F42C092B91 Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: news.clark.net!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.torrentnet.com!dirty.meretrix.com!cs.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!y.glue.umd.edu!jmaybury From: jmaybury@XXXXXX (James J. Maybury) Newsgroups: dc.forsale.misc,um.forsale Subject: FS: '93 motorcycle ... Date: 12 Mar 1999 19:17:19 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: um Message-ID: <7cbp7v$so1$1@hecate.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: y.glue.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.clark.net dc.forsale.misc:27343 um.forsale:16130 Hi, I am selling my '93 Suzuki GS500E motorcycle which has just under 15,750 miles on it. You can see it at the following URL: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~jmaybury/motorcycle.html As you will notice, it was recently in a minor accident and is for sale as is. It is still in working condition (I have driven it on I-495 - the beltway - in it's current condition - although I would highly recommend not doing so until you have it fixed). The accident was at very low speeds (10-15 mph) and it fell on its right side. The front forks are in good condition, however the handlebar is bent (thus making it harder to drive reliably). I am asking $750 for it, as is. You can e-mail me at: jmaybury@XXXXXX or call: (301) 422-7631 and leave a message if you are interested. Thanks, James --------------73F42C092B91-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 18:03:39 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05121 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA24152; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:03:30 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA28036; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:03:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:03:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Renting in DC area. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Saw this on the VFR list and thought some of you might be able to help this guy out. reply to : ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:10:12 -0600 From: Mike B. Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX To: vfr Subject: Renting in DC area. I will be in The DC area on business starting Monday and was wondering if anyone knew of a place to rent bikes in the area. The weather will be starting to warm up and I will be without a Motorcycle for two weeks. What a time to travel. Wait all season for the weather to warm up, and when it does I can't ride.... -Mike B. '99 Interceptor -- http://www.megsinet.net/~romad/ We ride ... to hell. Or to glory. It depends on your point of view. - George Armstrong Custer ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 19:35:21 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06819 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:35:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990315003618.1563.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.78] by send204.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:36:18 PST Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:36:18 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: FS: One share in the tirechanger To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Such a deal! Since I'm moving to south Florida I'm offering my share of the DC tirechanger for what I paid for it ($30). Reply by email to raymondlucas@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 20:27:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07652 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05543 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16960 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05763 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.26.193] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A0325250154; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:19:46 EST Message-ID: <36EC624F.7C91FED5@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:28:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet laws References: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <3.0.3.32.19990314102446.006a9910@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > Remind me again why it IS ok to go 'joy-riding' in a motor vehicle and why > it IS NOT ok to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Because maybe it's tough to determine from casual observation whether someone is joyriding in a cage or just travelling to the local 7-11 for a Slurpee. Alas, riding a bike helmetless is a whole lot easier to notice. BTW, all my motorcycle rides are 'joy-rides', since I enjoy bikes so much. I sure hope joy-riding isn't illegal. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 20:49:46 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07966 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA02591 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.26.193] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A55945B00D6; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:41:45 EST Message-ID: <36EC6776.E0E3D54B@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:50:46 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... References: <000a01be6e41$403187b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > Don't people have a right to be stupid > (in your opinion) if they want to? Sure, people can be, and are, stupid all the time. > If not, why not? Because if too many stupid people bash their skulls open on our boulevards and streets while riding motorcycles, just what do you think the logical conclusion will be? Govt #1: "Oh, we tried outlawing helmets, bikers cried about personal freedom." Govt #2: "Well, motorcycling is just too dangerous without helmets, so let's outlaw motorcycling." THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD! Sorry, didn't mean to yell, but Todd isn't getting my point. > Speculating on what will happen to motorcyclings future if > we continue down this 'dangerous' path is more of a waste of time > than showing a little solidarity. Agreed. But if we want to prevent laws about motorcycle airbags and leg protectors we'll probably have to compromise. It's how our government works. Our compromise is a law forcing us to wear helmets. Todd, you and I have already stated that we believe that wearing helmets is a good idea. This isn't much of a compromise from our standpoint. > I look at the repeal of helmet laws like a victory for > all of us. And I see them as abysmal failures. Some states now allow riding helmetless if and only if the rider displays much higher levels of insurance protection. That's a victory? If so, it's a very hollow one. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 21:25:44 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08527 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.troutman.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.122.220.153]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA04008 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by gecko.troutman.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA00660; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:25:30 -0500 Received: from iguana(172.16.50.1) by gecko via smap (V2.1) id xma000658; Sun, 14 Mar 99 21:25:23 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990314212138.00931f00@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:25:16 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , Todd Peer From: Mike T Subject: Re: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36EC6776.E0E3D54B@tidalwave.net> References: <000a01be6e41$403187b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:50 PM 3/14/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Agreed. But if we want to prevent laws about motorcycle airbags >and leg protectors we'll probably have to compromise. It's how our >government works. Our compromise is a law forcing us to wear helmets. >Todd, you and I have already stated that we believe that wearing helmets >is a good idea. This isn't much of a compromise from our standpoint. Ouch. Don't want to get into it, but you truly lost me with this one. Comprimise is not how the government has to work. Eventually you compomise yourself into a corner with nothing else left to give up. There may be specific times to comprimise, but don't use a blanket statement. I'm all for helmets, but believe some of the anti-helmet rhetoric is legitimate. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org =================================== No sig today..... =================================== DNRC member since '97 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 21:32:15 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08693 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA17343 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:32:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EC9C48.308F@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:36:08 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: VFRs at Coleman's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, I stopped at Coleman's PS yesterday and was surprised to see two brand, spanking, new 1997 VFR's for sale there. These were not there last month. The drone said $7,100. A diligent buyer with cash in hand should prolly be able to take one for $6,500 I figure. Which sounds like it could be almost a better deal than than my new(ish) 1995 VFR750F. I picked this one up last month in upstate NY with the help of one of our generous fellow listers, Glenn Dysart. Those of you who know me know I have an '85 VF700F. The differences between the two machines is nothing short of startling. I am very pleased with this bike. I took some pics of the VFR (650 miles on the clock!) with its D&D polished aluminum can and a very s-w-e-e-t Tail-Locker trunk / fender eliminator. I also painted the lower fairing silver. Here's a pic of the right side: http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes05.jpg and the left side : http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes06.jpg Enjoy! JK From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 21:53:24 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09018 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr23-dialup54.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.71.182]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35317) with SMTP id <0F8M00MBA7ZBOZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:52:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:53:02 +0000 From: Jon Subject: Re: VFRs at Coleman's To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles Message-id: <00d001be6e65$16fbb720$344c3ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Damn John, very sweet ride! I really like the silver lowers. The tail locker kit looks very clean. Can't wait to see it in person..... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John C. Kozyn To: dc-cycles Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 2:41 AM Subject: VFRs at Coleman's >Hey DC Guys & Gals, > >I stopped at Coleman's PS yesterday and was surprised to see two brand, >spanking, new 1997 VFR's for sale there. These were not there last >month. The drone said $7,100. A diligent buyer with cash in hand should >prolly be able to take one for $6,500 I figure. Which sounds like it >could be almost a better deal than than my new(ish) 1995 VFR750F. > >I picked this one up last month in upstate NY with the help of one of >our generous fellow listers, Glenn Dysart. Those of you who know me know >I have an '85 VF700F. The differences between the two machines is >nothing short of startling. I am very pleased with this bike. > >I took some pics of the VFR (650 miles on the clock!) with its D&D >polished >aluminum can and a very s-w-e-e-t Tail-Locker trunk / fender eliminator. >I also painted the lower fairing silver. Here's a pic of the right side: > > http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes05.jpg > >and the left side : > > http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes06.jpg > >Enjoy! > >JK From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 22:11:17 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09261 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA06586 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18326 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:11:11 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id jBGRa23612 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:10:52 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <5f0e1461.36ec7a3c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:10:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: wsdymfg was:vfrs at colemans Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 << http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes05.jpg >> After checking out some of the pics on the rest of John's site, Im curious to know what it takes to ride with 'the gang'.... And when is the next ride? Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 22:19:48 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09426 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:19:47 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2MROa25516 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:16:22 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <988f2216.36ec7b86@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:16:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Calling Jeanette! Calling Jeanette! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Saw this float by on the CBR list.... "Hello my name is Lynda and I am starting a new web page for Female Sportbike Riders! If you have any suggestions or pictures please e-mail me direct at ROKETQUEN1@XXXXXX as i will be unsubscribing from this mailing list. I am currently on the CBR900RR mail list. Lynda a.k.a CBR GIRL" Thought you might dig that. -Sean Jordan '78 Honda CB400T '83 Honda Interceptor '93 Honda CB1000F From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 23:30:55 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10616 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA10405 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:27:08 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Todd Peer" Cc: Subject: RE: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:27:58 -0500 Message-ID: <003301be6e9c$34107580$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <36EC6776.E0E3D54B@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > I look at the repeal of helmet laws like a victory for > > all of us. > > And I see them as abysmal failures. Some states now allow riding > helmetless if and only if the rider displays much higher levels > of insurance protection. That's a victory? If so, it's a very > hollow one. While I'm generally with Todd on this one, you have definitely made a very good point. As a matter of fact, these insurance scams are much, much worse than helmet laws. Why? Because they give credence to the social burden garbage. Once you have tacitly admitted that, it's VERY easy to bin motorcycles. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 01:49:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA12696 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09939 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20669 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:45:52 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Jason A Howell" Subject: Keep Right Except to Pass Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:46:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be6eaf$964837c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 http://TheFunnyBone.com/slower/slower.shtml ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 07:10:01 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18620 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F538141@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'Thomas and Jeannette'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What a pain! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:05:41 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Yeah but there is more to it then that. If you get caught without insurance in VA they also require you to have SR-22 insurance for I believe 3 years. SR-22 insurance is an insurance where if you don't make your insurance payments the insurance company notifies the state who then in turn suspends your license. The bottom line here is to always have insurance and not worry about this hassle. Glenn >As for Virgina's law.... if you get caught it's a $400 fee for not having >insurance, PERIOD! Don't ask me how I know... From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:15:37 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19657 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01076; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:17:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001001be6e81$4792eb80$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" , Subject: Re: What a pain! Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:15:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Yep... you are right there. I forgot about that part. -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM To: 'Thomas and Jeannette' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 7:12 AM Subject: RE: What a pain! >Yeah but there is more to it then that. If you get caught without insurance >in VA they also require you to have SR-22 insurance for I believe 3 years. >SR-22 insurance is an insurance where if you don't make your insurance >payments the insurance company notifies the state who then in turn suspends >your license. The bottom line here is to always have insurance and not >worry about this hassle. > >Glenn > > >>As for Virgina's law.... if you get caught it's a $400 fee for not having >>insurance, PERIOD! Don't ask me how I know... > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:18:49 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19680 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8B410CF01F0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315075709.017ead40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:01:02 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <002501be6cd3$047f1850$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990312160301.017cd900@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:55 PM 3/12/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Finally, if we risk "much broader anti-motorcycle legislation that gets >around the helmet law technical challenges", what have we lost? A perceived >right? Our freedom? In this case, the gubmnt wins period, end of story and >no recourse available. That IS how the gubmnt plays, so why shouldn't we >citizens? >Todd What have we lost? The argument, and the war. If legislators perceive that helmet laws, widely perceived as "common sense", aren't working then that gives the legislators added incentive to pass laws requiring more "safety improvements" to motorcycles. I believe that by shifting the helmet law focus from risk and responsibility to that of technicalities (can an average citizen read and understand an engineering standard) we risk inciting legislators into doing more about motorcycle design to improve "safety" -- and that likely means leg protectors, air bags, etc. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:18:48 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19679 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8B310CF01F0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:43 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315075309.017d0b40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:56:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <002601be6cd3$05cf6610$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990312161624.017d6420@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris Norloff wrote: >> Just as people's failure to use seat belts led to passive restraints, >> automatic seat belts, and air bags, I believe people's failure to use >> helmets and other protective gear will result in more emphasis on >> re-designing the vehicle to "make up" for those failures -- and that means >> leg protectors, motorcycle air bags, etc. > Todd Peer wrote: >I'm not sure of your position here Chris. Are you saying that you'd kiss >the gubmnt's ass so they'll just go away quietly? Get real man! They are >not going away. Agencies like NHTSA are meddlesome bureaucracies that >justify their very existence by fucking with yours. Please spare me the >gloom and doom if I feel like standing against them. >Todd I believe that "standing against them" is better accomplished by methods other than using technicalities to beat a state helmet law. There's more to helmet laws, risk, and responsibility than whether or not an average citizen can read and understand helmet engineering standards (which was the technicality, I understand, used to beat this ticket). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:18:49 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19681 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8B110CF01F0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315081151.017e8070@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:15:01 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: graspics and blizzaks In-Reply-To: <038601be6d07$df15d060$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Elie Rosenblum wrote: >>>It's apparently some specially constructed rubber structure that sticks >>>_really_ well to ice. > >Reviews of graspics, blizzaks at http://miata.net/products/wheels/.=20 >Bill S. / DC=20 Neat, thanks. After noting that Bridgestone makes Blizzaks I checked out their website -- not much specifically on the Blizzaks, except: "Patented MULTICELL tread compound with microscopic pores that bite thru snow and stick to ice.=20 Exclusive TRACPOINT sipes provide additional edges to cut through water film improving wet and snow traction.=20 Interlocking tread pattern controls tread block movement, providing good handling and promoting even tire wear. " http://www.bridgestone-usa.com/products/BSBlizz.htm and=20 "Features UNI-T=99, Ultimate Network of Intelligent Tire Technology.=20 BLIZZAK winter tires feature a patented tread rubber compound developed by Bridgestone to deliver ice and snow performance without studs!=20 Additional leading-edge technologies and tread pattern elements, including Zig-Zag Sipes, to help improve performance in icy conditions" http://www.bridgestone-usa.com/products/bsblizzm02.htm I wonder if there'd be much market for motorcycle Blizzaks? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:18:49 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19683 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8B510CF01F0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315081849.017d07d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:19:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: On the fringes of Moto In-Reply-To: <85256734.000DC1F4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:33 PM 3/13/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >My father (retired after 32 years in the USAF) flew that plane from 1962 to >1994. Needless to say, I have a certain affinity for it. The "Buff" ,as >it is affectionately called, is truly a great plane. Some of my fondest >childhood memories are living on USAF bases watching it fly overhead. Ahem ... that's BUF, not Buff. It stands for Big Ugly F... Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:20:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19717 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8B610CF01F0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:46 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315082155.017b5210@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:23:56 -0500 To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Renting in DC area. (fwd) Cc: romad@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The only place I've heard of is actually in West Virginia, but that's the closest to DC. "Mountain Thunder" or something like that. They do tours and also rent bikes, I think. I have their address at home, but John Weinstein (WeinsteJ@XXXXXX) knows the guy and could probably help out. Chris Norloff At 06:03 PM 3/14/99 , Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > > Saw this on the VFR list and thought some of you >might be able to help this guy out. > >reply to : > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:10:12 -0600 >From: Mike B. >Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX >To: vfr >Subject: Renting in DC area. > >I will be in The DC area on business starting Monday and >was wondering if anyone knew of a place to rent bikes >in the area. The weather will be starting to warm up >and I will be without a Motorcycle for two weeks. >What a time to travel. Wait all season for the weather >to warm up, and when it does I can't ride.... > >-Mike B. >'99 Interceptor >-- >http://www.megsinet.net/~romad/ > >We ride ... to hell. Or to glory. It depends on your point of view. > - George Armstrong Custer >------------------------------------------------------------------ >The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ >for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:38:47 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20093 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 15 Mar 1999 13:38:45 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA14400 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:38:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: On the fringes of Moto In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990315081849.017d07d0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Ahem ... that's BUF, not Buff. It stands for Big Ugly F... > > Chris Norloff > No, That's Buff. Big Ugly Fat F... Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:57:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20440 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA14017 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26303 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA24970 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6EC1.CDF4F980@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Personal Property Tax --> Fed. Deduction??!! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was doing my taxes this weekend, utilizing Turbotax, and at one point during the "interview", it made a reference to personal property taxes being deducted on my Federal tax return. However, it did not mention that Virginia was an eligible state. Does anyone know for certain that that is the case? Why would some states be eligible, like Connecticut, and not Virginia? MC content --> I think by the end of the week all of this "winter" will be gone & I'll be back out riding!! John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 09:15:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20794 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14254 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA26667 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A5EB18501C6; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:15:07 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315091745.017f1cd0@mail.toward.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19990315091745.017f1cd0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:20:54 -0500 To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Personal Property Tax --> Fed. Deduction??!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:57 AM 3/15/99 , Carver, John wrote: >I was doing my taxes this weekend, utilizing Turbotax, and at one point >during the "interview", it made a reference to personal property taxes >being deducted on my Federal tax return. However, it did not mention >that Virginia was an eligible state. Does anyone know for certain that >that is the case? Why would some states be eligible, like Connecticut, >and not Virginia? Personal property tax is deductible if you itemize deductions. Chris Norloff P.S. A couple years ago I met an IRS Auditor. She was conducting classes in the local library teaching people how to do their taxes, and answering questions. Seeing my large stack of tax publications and notes, she came over and introduced herself. We had a nice, informative chat, and she advised me to be careful of commercial tax software, and to never use Turbo Tax because of the numerous errors in it. :-o From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 09:43:36 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21193 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:43:34 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA29615; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:44:36 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027275; Mon, 15 Mar 99 09:40:41 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8N00BML4T0A2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256735.00505468 ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:37:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:50:20 -0500 Subject: Re: On the fringes of Moto To: Alex Milenkovic Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256735.004F9416.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Correct! Tell him what he's won ... --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Alex Milenkovic Date: 03/15/99 01:38:40 PM GMT Subject: Re: On the fringes of Moto > > Ahem ... that's BUF, not Buff. It stands for Big Ugly F... > > Chris Norloff > No, That's Buff. Big Ugly Fat F... Alex. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 09:49:12 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21270 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA09676 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA15389; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:45:32 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990315144838.DNIY7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:48:38 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: RE: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:46:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be6ef2$aca6dbf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <003301be6e9c$34107580$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > > > I look at the repeal of helmet laws like a victory for > > > all of us. > > > > And I see them as abysmal failures. Some states now allow riding > > helmetless if and only if the rider displays much higher levels > > of insurance protection. That's a victory? If so, it's a very > > hollow one. > > While I'm generally with Todd on this one, you have definitely made a very > good point. As a matter of fact, these insurance scams are much, > much worse > than helmet laws. Why? Because they give credence to the social burden > garbage. Once you have tacitly admitted that, it's VERY easy to bin > motorcycles. > The point made missed one very important detail. The motorcyclist groups involved in repealing the laws 'compromised' and allowed for the higher insurance. No WAY would I agree to that. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:06:38 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21587 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA10647 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA20353 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:06:23 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:06:23 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:06:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >The point made missed one very important detail. The >motorcyclist groups involved in repealing the laws 'compromised' >and allowed for the higher insurance. No WAY would I agree to >that. >Todd Even worse - this results in a tacit admission that motorcycling is in fact a dangerous activity and is a burden on society in general From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:07:04 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21597 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:07:02 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA10655 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA13189; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:08:15 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma010410; Mon, 15 Mar 99 10:03:26 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8N00G3D5UXDC@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256735.00526837 ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:00:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:18:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... To: Dale Horstman Cc: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256735.004E56C1.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL That's not a victory Dale ... unrestricted repeal of helmet laws is. --chris To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Horstman Date: 03/15/99 01:50:46 AM GMT Subject: Re: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... --snip-- And I see them as abysmal failures. Some states now allow riding helmetless if and only if the rider displays much higher levels of insurance protection. That's a victory? If so, it's a very hollow one. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:16:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21756 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15777 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA28117 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:16 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:07 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:18:38 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: Personal Property Tax --> Fed. Deduction??!! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline All I know is, my accountant has been deducting my state PP taxes on my Federal return for five years, no probs. Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:16:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21753 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15772 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28118 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA19397 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6ECC.C1CBDF60@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Outlawing Motorcycles -- Let it go :-) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The crazy enviro-nazi Californians tried to outlaw 2 strokes completely, or at least that was my understanding, but can you imagine the repercussions if that had come to pass? I mean, what woud they have done? Seized all 2 strokes? CA would have lost many $$$ to other states where 2 strokes are legal. Similar efforts have been attempted in the stupid federal government in DC, such as trying to outlaw cars that are over a certain age. (I'm struggling to maintain my composure and not use four letter words to describe this insane waste of my tax dollars) My '83 Chevy complies with all emission and safety requirements of 1983 and that's ALL that is required. It would be silly, to say the least, to outlaw my fine automobile. THE POINT: Manufactures and consumers, as limited in numbers as motorcycles are, have many $$$ invested in motorcycling. To outlaw something that is a viable transportation method would be very difficult IMO. "Anyone who is willing to give up freedom for safety, neither deserves to be free or safe." Ben Franklin John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:29:08 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21958 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA03465; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:28:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-34.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.162) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003401; Mon Mar 15 09:27:38 1999 Message-ID: <017801be6ef8$7508ac40$a272d9ce@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "'dc'" Cc: "Winchester Indian MC Shop" Subject: Great news for Moto Guzzi Enthusiast, but very long..... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:28:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 =20 =20 Moto Guzzi tries to revive biker image=20 =20 REUTERS=20 =20 NEW YORK, March 12 =97 Italian luxury motorcycle = maker Moto Guzzi Corp. (OB:GUZIA) is mapping out a return to its heyday = as the manufacturer of one of the world's most prestigious big touring = bikes.=20 A week ago, the company finalized a = partnership agreement with North Atlantic Acquisition Co. that provided = it with $8.9 million in cash equity and $15 million in warrants.=20 =20 With the new partnership and investment = in technology, Moto Guzzi plans to take on the luxury-bike leaders, = Harley-Davidson (NYSE:HDI) and BMW (F:BMWG), by lowering its $11,000 = average price for its new model, and targeting a younger, and possibly = female, rider.=20 The company expects to see nearly 400 = percent sales growth in four years, the company's top official said in = an interview with Reuters on Thursday.=20 Moto Guzzi's current models are the = California, Nevada Club, V10 Centauro and 1100 Sport Corsa. Two new = bikes will roll out this year, the VII Sport, and another as-yet-unnamed = bike dubbed the California "naked sport bike."=20 "The U.S. market is ripe. Harley has = dominated the market for so long and they make a nice bike, but people = want a change," said Moto Guzzi Executive Chairman Mark Hauser.=20 The motorcycle industry has seen 8 = percent to 10 percent growth for the past seven years, and the biggest = motorcycles, the heavy bike market, has seen growth of 18 percent to 23 = percent during that time.=20 Heavyweight bikes make up a $5 billion = annual market worldwide.=20 Founded after World War One by friends = from an Italian Air Force unit, Moto Guzzi was a dominant luxury bike = maker until the 1970s. It was the bike of choice by police officers = around the world and dominated international racing events.=20 The company hit the skids more than 20 = years ago when its parent company focused its energies on its sleek = Maserati car line. U.S.-based Harley-Davidson Inc. and Germany's BMW AG = have dominated the luxury market since then.=20 Moto Guzzi hopes the sheer prevalence of = the competitors' bikes will be a selling point for its bike rich with = Italian styling and heritage.=20 "Motorcycle riders tend to be individualists," = Hauser said. With so many Harleys and BMWs on the road, the high-end = rider might be looking for something distinguishing.=20 Moto Guzzi makes 6,000 bikes a year and = this year is planning for 7,000, which would let it break even on a net = basis, Hauser said. Within four years, the company plans to make 20,000 = to 25,000 bikes annually.=20 In its prime, the company's Italian plant = had a capacity to build 50,000 bikes a year.=20 "We bought the company two years ago and = we're looking to rebuild it," said Hauser, who is also the chief = executive officer of New York-based Trident Rowan Group Inc. = (NASDAQ:TRGI), which in addition to Moto Guzzi, makes metal furniture = and steel tubing for vehicles.=20 Moto Guzzi had been a subsidiary of = Trident, but on March 5, started trading under its own Bulletin Board = symbol after North Atlantic Acquisition Corp. bought into the company. = Moto Guzzi has applied to be traded on Nasdaq. On Friday, it closed 31 = cents higher at $8.50 on the Bulletin Board, and has a 52-week high of = 12-14 and 52-week low of 8.=20 Hauser, who admits he did not know much = about motorcycles before he bought the company, said he now spends one = week every month at the factory.=20 And does he ride? "Now I do," he said. The = management and engineering teams were replaced at the company's sole = manufacturing plant in Mandello del Lario, about an hour north of Milan. = Between $6 million and $7 million was spent on new technology on the = plant, with further costs required in about two years when production = reaches 10,000 to 12,000 annually.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:30:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22046 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15979 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28449 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00013 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8N00OE972PP6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:30:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:32:17 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:30:16 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: Moto related - if you stretch it.... To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B7677@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain I need bottle caps - beer bottle caps - screw-offs and those that require a bottle opener. There's a Girl Scout troop in my area that is saving them and considering how much you all like to celebrate motorcycle victories and such - I thought this would be a great resource for these supplies. Just stick another bag near your recyclables to collect these caps - give me a yell, and I'll come and get them. Maybe make one day here in the next two weeks where we can all get together, form a ride to collect beer bottle caps. Thanks - Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1389 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:37:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22145 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16078 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web309.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA28653 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:37:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990315154340.16326.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web309.yahoomail.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:43:40 PST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:43:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Outlawing Motorcycles -- Let it go :-) To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think there was any try to it... they did! At least for off road vehicles anyway. Yet another reason among many I never want to be stationed in the Nazi Republic of Kalifornia. Dirt biking on 2 smokes is no longer allowed on open ranges... restricted to closed course competitions only. Not sure on the street bikes...Technically they haven't been too kosher in most states for a few years now (other than scooters). But lots of folks get around things with grey market imports... Collin ---"Carver, John" wrote: > > The crazy enviro-nazi Californians tried to outlaw 2 strokes completely, > or at least that was my understanding, but can you imagine the > repercussions if that had come to pass? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 11:26:27 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22983 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.44.167.52] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A2A5755011E; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:17:41 EST Message-ID: <36ED34C2.99A4BC85@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:26:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: "'dc'" , Winchester Indian MC Shop Subject: Re: Great news for Moto Guzzi Enthusiast, but very long..... References: <017801be6ef8$7508ac40$a272d9ce@uspppshephar1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds promising...big naked shaft-drive sportbikes! Yum! Thanks for the info. Dale Ken wrote: > > > > Moto Guzzi tries to revive biker image -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 12:03:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23764 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18005 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01400 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:03:45 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vUTZa15433; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:01:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57d50a36.36ed3cf1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:01:37 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Safety wiring Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Ive never safety wired a bike before, and I have to have it done before april 22nd. Is there anyone on the lists who would be willing to give a hand, or recomend a place that can help? Im willing to do it myself, but I have limited tools on hand. Thanks.... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 12:06:35 1999 Return-Path: rdwoodjr@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23871 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from gibberish.radix.net (port14.annex2.radix.net [209.48.226.14]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA18208 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:06:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36ED3E1C.164E@radix.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:06:36 -0500 From: Richard Wood Reply-To: rdwoodjr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/14/99 References: <199903150000.TAA06163@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Saw this on the VFR list and thought some of you > might be able to help this guy out. > > reply to : > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:10:12 -0600 > From: Mike B. > Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX > To: vfr > Subject: Renting in DC area. > > I will be in The DC area on business starting Monday and > was wondering if anyone knew of a place to rent bikes > in the area. The weather will be starting to warm up > and I will be without a Motorcycle for two weeks. > What a time to travel. Wait all season for the weather > to warm up, and when it does I can't ride.... > > -Mike B. > '99 Interceptor Try these people, http://www.wvbiker.com I called them, they have a lot of snow there, but do have bikes to rent. I've lived in the D.C. area for 30 years, worked in bike shops for 24 years, and know of of no other outfit that rents. Good luck Ride on Richard W From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 13:18:16 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25099 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:17:40 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:17:38 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:20:59 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: mc paint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Can't remember who was looking for a painter, but we've got a great one down here. Paint by Rhonda, 804-329-1040. She's done everything from Vespas to Harleys and everything in between. She executed a simple but stunning rendition of late '60s H-D race colors on my Sprint. She was featured in one of the national cruiser mags last year. I'm sure she's got experience with the plastic/metal issue that you raised. Good luck. Joe Richmond From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 13:49:58 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25694 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-16.s16.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.16]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21791 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:49:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903151849.NAA21791@smtp1.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: FS '96 Virago 535 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:56:37 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My wife wants to sell her Yamaha Virago. Here is what the Kelly Blue Book says: > Blue Book Motorcycle Retail Report March 10, 1999 > 1996 Yamaha XV535 Virago > 2-Cylinder > 4-Stroke > 535 cc > Suggested Retail Value $3925 Our local dealer has offered us $3100 trade in. We would like to get $3600 since it only has 2800 miles on it and is in great condition. Contact me at my personal e-mail or by phone (540) 349-9992 Thanks, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 14:28:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26466 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20371 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06768 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vCXZa29483; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:27:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <118a0e9f.36ed5f2e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:27:42 EST To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Safety wiring Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 I'm very familiar with safety wiring. Every thing on an airplane has to be safetied! I'd be willing to do it for you on some weekend. What size safety wire do you need? Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 14:49:06 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26801 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.44.167.52] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A24A3A00E0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:40:58 EST Message-ID: <36ED6467.2FF3B74@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:49:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Just as people's failure to use seat belts led to passive restraints, > automatic seat belts, and air bags, I believe people's failure to use > helmets and other protective gear will result in more emphasis on > re-designing the vehicle to "make up" for those failures -- and that > means leg protectors, motorcycle air bags, etc. Oh, and don't forget the second brake light fastened to the back of the still-mandatory helmet. Chris, I just wanted to let you know that I agree with you here. I don't think that helmet laws will go away without some repercussions down the road. The recent trade-offs regarding riding helmetless with higher insurance coverages supports this. What will the fallout be if the "anti-helmet law" groups get their way? I don't like the potential answers to that question... The expression "Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it" seems to apply in spades here. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 16:31:18 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28771 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id QAA06532 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:31:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:31:08 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Day of Mourning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well... first time for me. As I leave my apartment this morning to go to work, I notice something rather odd. One car, one motorcycle. That's funny, there were TWO motorcycles there last night. ::groan:: It seems (according to the nice officer who came to take the report) that last night a number of bikes, including my 98 YZF600R, were abducted. I don't expect a ransom note anytime soon. The cop said it looks like the work of pros due to the number of bikes taken during the time frame, and the fact that they only took Japaneese sport bikes when other more expensive bikes were available at the same location (in my case, a Harley, and in place he had just come from, a BMW). I have an alarm with remote pager... it never went off :( This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so I'll get a check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace it with the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I almost wish I had not liked the thing... at least then I could replace it with another I'd been drooling over or something. I had a hard enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when I got the YZF. ::sigh:: - Brian Roach (ex) 98' YZF600R '99 HD FXDL From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 16:38:14 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28878 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA28973; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:38:09 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA27155; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:38:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:38:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Something Amusing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I found this at ww.brunching.com . It is part of a list rating car accesories. Moon Roof Ah, yes, the moon roof. Let us commune with the gentle healing rays of Mother Luna through a hole in the top of our Dodge Neon. This is essentially a cheap sun roof, which itself is an excessively conservative alternative to a convertible, which in turn is just for those too faint of heart to buy a motorcycle, and a motorcycle is just compensation for an inability to be transformed by a mysterious chemical accident into a super-speedster capable of running fast enough to break the time barrier. D ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 16:49:55 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29070 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 484; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:49:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990315164902.01a02950@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:49:47 -0500 To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:31 PM 3/15/99 , Brian Roach wrote: >This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so I'll get a >check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace it with >the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I almost wish >I had not liked the thing... at least then I could replace it >with another I'd been drooling over or something. I had a hard >enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when I got the >YZF. That really does suck. Where do you live? Was it chained? They have any leads? ___________________________________________ “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 16:52:14 1999 Return-Path: ewinslow@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29150 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (ewinslow@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26312; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:51:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:51:34 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Winslow To: Brian Roach cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry to hear about the theft. I hope all the insurance wrangling goes smoothly enough. Besides the alarm, Brian, what other locks or methods of securing the bike were employed at the time of theft? I live in D.C. and had someone try to steal my bike twice. Not pros, thankfully. I'm always trying to learn what works and what doesn't. Again, sorry for your loss. Sincerely, Eric M. Winslow '94 KLR650 '93 GS500E On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Brian Roach wrote: > > Well... first time for me. > > This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so I'll get a > check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace it with > the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I almost wish > I had not liked the thing... at least then I could replace it > with another I'd been drooling over or something. I had a hard > enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when I got the > YZF. > > ::sigh:: > > - Brian Roach > (ex) 98' YZF600R > '99 HD FXDL > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 17:01:25 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29324 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id RAA06583 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:01:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:01:22 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Eric Winslow wrote: > Besides the alarm, Brian, what other locks or methods of securing the bike > were employed at the time of theft? I live in D.C. and had someone try to > steal my bike twice. Not pros, thankfully. I'm always trying to learn what > works and what doesn't. Alarm (With remote pager). Cryptonite lock with braided steel cable secured around a building support. BLOCKED IN WITH MY CAR. Not a thing left. They took the bike, cover, cable, etc. There are no scratches on my car, or the guy who parks next to me, or on my other bike. This is in a well-lit carport type thing under my apartment building. They had to have physically lifted the bike over the front corner of my car to get it out. You'd THINK that would be enough. Guess not. Now I'm now worried about my other bike, and am trying to think of somewhere else to put it, at least for a little while. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 17:13:21 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29512 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:13:20 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2NFRa25945 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:12:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5e11fdaa.36ed85c3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:12:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What a pain! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 you know....no one ever asked me if I had a license! From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 17:33:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA29875 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:32:58 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA27813; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:33:55 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004109; Mon, 15 Mar 99 16:52:40 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8N00B6YOSELT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256735.0077D6AC ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:48:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:47:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Day of Mourning To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <85256735.0077673E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Sorry to hear about that, man. Where were the bikes located? DC, MD, VA? --chris To: dc-cycles cc: From: Brian Roach Date: 03/15/99 09:31:08 PM GMT Subject: Day of Mourning Well... first time for me. As I leave my apartment this morning to go to work, I notice something rather odd. One car, one motorcycle. That's funny, there were TWO motorcycles there last night. ::groan:: It seems (according to the nice officer who came to take the report) that last night a number of bikes, including my 98 YZF600R, were abducted. I don't expect a ransom note anytime soon. The cop said it looks like the work of pros due to the number of bikes taken during the time frame, and the fact that they only took Japaneese sport bikes when other more expensive bikes were available at the same location (in my case, a Harley, and in place he had just come from, a BMW). I have an alarm with remote pager... it never went off :( This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so I'll get a check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace it with the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I almost wish I had not liked the thing... at least then I could replace it with another I'd been drooling over or something. I had a hard enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when I got the YZF. ::sigh:: - Brian Roach (ex) 98' YZF600R '99 HD FXDL ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 17:36:22 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29964 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id RAA06664; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:36:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:36:18 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: <85256735.00776737.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Sorry to hear about that, man. Where were the bikes located? DC, MD, VA? > > --chris West end of Alexandria (City of) on Duke St, toward the "Landmark" area (I395) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 17:42:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00204 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23402 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA13582 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:41:53 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:41:45 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:45:06 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Outlawing Motorcycles -- Let it go :-) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline On the contrary, I think my RD and I should actually be encouraged, nay, PAID to tool around the Commonwealth. Insect control, ya know. Joe >>> "Collin T. Fagan" - 3/15/99 10:43 AM >>> I don't think there was any try to it... they did! At least for off road vehicles anyway. Yet another reason among many I never want to be stationed in the Nazi Republic of Kalifornia. Dirt biking on 2 smokes is no longer allowed on open ranges... restricted to closed course competitions only. Not sure on the street bikes...Technically they haven't been too kosher in most states for a few years now (other than scooters). But lots of folks get around things with grey market imports... Collin ---"Carver, John" wrote: > > The crazy enviro-nazi Californians tried to outlaw 2 strokes completely, > or at least that was my understanding, but can you imagine the > repercussions if that had come to pass? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 18:02:57 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00592 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:02:56 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id SAA15744; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:04:03 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023983; Mon, 15 Mar 99 17:27:12 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8N00H9FQEKH9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256735.007B08B1 ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:23:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:19:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Day of Mourning To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <85256735.007AC5CE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Brian; Wow... What a bummer. I'm looking at new bikes now, and one of my concerns is how much I'd hate to have a brand new bike stolen from me. My old Seca II doesn't put theft fears into my head - that's one of the things I kinda like about it. If someone stole it, I wouldn't like it, but at least I wouldn't be heartbroken. As a victim of three car break-ins, I know what that sinking feeling is like when you come out and find something horribly wrong with your 'baby'. Good luck with the cops and the insurance company. At least you can ride the Harley until you get a replacement. My condolences, Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 18:13:58 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00780 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:13:56 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id SAA22464; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:15:13 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003268; Mon, 15 Mar 99 17:42:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8N00J7RR41V9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256735.007C6F2C ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:39:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:32:24 -0500 Subject: Re: What a pain! To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256735.007C186F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Do you have a license? --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: STARAI@XXXXXX Date: 03/15/99 10:12:19 PM GMT Subject: Re: What a pain! you know....no one ever asked me if I had a license! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 18:36:53 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01241 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from l4rite (207-172-44-176.s176.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.44.176]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17118; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:36:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <03ed01be7005$c8b7f900$c646accf@l4rite> From: "Leslie" To: , , "dc-cycles" Subject: (NKLR) New bike and Questions Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:36:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Hello all, one of my roommates just picked up a 93' BMW K1100LT...for around $7,000 really nice bike...and $1850 under blue book value....... I rode it for a bit on Saturday....nice and smooth ride, has a Corbin seat and adjustable windshield. Lots of Storage boxes too....I'm not used to the shaft drive though. Anyhow, I was wondering if any of you might own one or know someone who does, so that I could get some basic info for him. He doesn't have an internet account, so I am going to mediate for him. Any info or comments would be helpful...especially on the ABS brakes...I have them on my car, so I know the basics...but don't know about the ABS on bikes...the bike came with a Clymer for the K100 series, it covers the K1000LT, but I don't know how much......the owners manual was not on the bike.... Only complaint I have had about the bike is the Radio.....my bike doesn't have one...and you can't start the bike on the side stand even when the bike is in neutral...out of the many bikes that I've owned this is the first with a neutral lever down kill switch..is that normal for the larger touring type bikes...I like to start mine and then finish getting geared up.....and besides its kinda cold natured from what I saw. Thanx for any help or direction to a Bavarian site for info....Les... Kat750, KLR650, NX250, XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 18:45:05 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01382 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port29.annex7.radix.net [207.226.55.29]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA26251; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:44:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903152344.SAA26251@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:50:29 -0500 To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: References: <85256735.00776737.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_593100855==_.ALT" --=====================_593100855==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:36 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >West end of Alexandria (City of) on Duke St, toward the "Landmark" area >(I395) Yikes! That's too close for comfort! I'm really sorry to hear about the loss Brian. I know what you mean about being fond of a bike. Even replaced with the same year and model doesn't replace THAT bike. I live really close to you and your post makes me really glad that my bike is keeping my Mom's garage company right now! Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad --=====================_593100855==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 05:36 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Brian Roach wrote:

>West end of Alexandria (City of) on Duke St, toward the "Landmark" area
>(I395)

Yikes!  That's too close for comfort!  I'm really sorry to hear about the loss Brian.  I know what you mean about being fond of a bike.  Even replaced with the same year and model doesn't replace THAT bike.  I live really close to you and your post makes me really glad that my bike is keeping my Mom's garage company right now!


Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX
'96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad
 --=====================_593100855==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 18:53:05 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01487 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port29.annex7.radix.net [207.226.55.29]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA27313; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:52:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903152352.SAA27313@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:58:38 -0500 To: "Leslie" From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: (NKLR) New bike and Questions Cc: "dc-cycles" In-Reply-To: <03ed01be7005$c8b7f900$c646accf@l4rite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_593584987==_.ALT" --=====================_593584987==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:36 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Leslie wrote: > Anyhow, I was wondering if any of you might own one or know someone who >does, so that I could get some basic info for him. He doesn't have an >internet account, so I am going to mediate for him. Any info or comments >would be helpful...especially on the ABS brakes...I have them on my car, so >I know the basics...but don't know about the ABS on bikes...the bike came >with a Clymer for the K100 series, it covers the K1000LT, but I don't know >how much......the owners manual was not on the bike.... Best place in the world to find out information on BMW bikes is www.ibmwr.org. The web page will give you the address for the mailing list. ibmwr stands for Internet BMW Riders and they're a great crew, always ready to answer questions. The web page is full of good information as well. Having owned two BMW K bikes, they shouldn't be cold natured at all. The best thing about a K is the instant start and run in any weather. Might need some tinkering. If you don't find anything on the web page, let me know and I'll give you the email address of a BMW friend of mine. He can answer anything you need to know. Good luck Dawn Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad --=====================_593584987==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 06:36 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Leslie wrote:

> Anyhow, I was wondering if any of you might own one or know someone who
>does, so that I could get some basic info for him.  He doesn't have an
>internet account, so I am going to mediate for him.  Any info or comments
>would be helpful...especially on the ABS brakes...I have them on my car, so
>I know the basics...but don't know about the ABS on bikes...the bike came
>with a Clymer for the K100 series, it covers the K1000LT, but I don't know
>how much......the owners manual was not on the bike....

Best place in the world to find out information on BMW bikes is www.ibmwr.org.  The web page will give you the address for the mailing list.  ibmwr stands for Internet BMW Riders and they're a great crew, always ready to answer questions.  The web page is full of good information as well.

Having owned two BMW K bikes, they shouldn't be cold natured at all.  The best thing about a K is the instant start and run in any weather.  Might need some tinkering.

If you don't find anything on the web page, let me know and I'll give you the email address of a BMW friend of mine.  He can answer anything you need to know.

Good luck

Dawn

Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX
'96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad
 --=====================_593584987==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 19:47:03 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.81]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA02443 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:47:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316005010.18507.rocketmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.11.68.82] by web511.yahoomail.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:50:10 PST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:50:10 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Day of Mourning To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like the bike thieves are out in numbers. My four-year-old CBR600 was nicked two weeks ago in D.C. Hope everyone has a good place to put their bike. That really sucks about your YZF, Brian. Sorry about the loss. Sean Sullivan --- Brian Roach wrote: > > Well... first time for me. > > As I leave my apartment this morning to go to work, I > notice > something rather odd. One car, one motorcycle. That's > funny, > there were TWO motorcycles there last night. > ::groan:: > > It seems (according to the nice officer who came to > take the > report) that last night a number of bikes, including > my 98 > YZF600R, were abducted. I don't expect a ransom note > anytime > soon. The cop said it looks like the work of pros due > to the > number of bikes taken during the time frame, and the > fact that > they only took Japaneese sport bikes when other more > expensive > bikes were available at the same location (in my > case, a Harley, > and in place he had just come from, a BMW). I have an > alarm with > remote pager... it never went off :( > > This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so > I'll get a > check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace > it with > the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I > almost wish > I had not liked the thing... at least then I could > replace it > with another I'd been drooling over or something. I > had a hard > enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when > I got the > YZF. > > ::sigh:: > > - Brian Roach > (ex) 98' YZF600R > '99 HD FXDL > > === DC-Cycles t-shirts are $10 each for S-XL, $12 for XXL and up. The logo is no. 1b at www.dc-cycles.org. Send a check and your order with shirt quantity, size and color to: Sean Sullivan 16 8TH ST, NE WASHINGTON, DC 20002 Questions? E-mail me at redsullivan@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 20:13:21 1999 Return-Path: ajax@XXXXXX Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02899 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [166.70.7.186] (helo=kurt) by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 10MiPv-00035r-00; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:13:11 -0700 Message-ID: <004101be6f4a$34c8f200$ba0746a6@kurt> From: "Kurt Simpson" To: "Leslie" , , , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) New bike and Questions Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:12:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 | Hello all, one of my roommates just picked up a 93' BMW K1100LT...for |around $7,000 really nice bike...and $1850 under blue book value....... I |rode it for a bit on Saturday....nice and smooth ride, has a Corbin seat and |adjustable windshield. Lots of Storage boxes too....I'm not used to the |shaft drive though. There are tons of BMW sites and lists...start with www.micapeak.com and look up mailing list round-ups...the bike has the reputation of being and extraordinary tourer, silky smooth and reliable... Kurt From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 20:35:30 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03284 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:35:29 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2YJYa23859 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:32:05 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <57d79f8d.36edb495@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:32:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Day of Mourning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 sorry to hear THAT........ ugh what area do you live in Brian? Marcy *keeps her bike double-locked to the fence* In a message dated 3/15/99 4:37:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > It seems (according to the nice officer who came to take the > report) that last night a number of bikes, including my 98 > YZF600R, were abducted. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 20:42:48 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03363 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:42:47 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id kEEAa13170; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:33:57 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6659394c.36edb505@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:33:57 EST To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Day of Mourning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 so they cut the cable and lifted it out? :( Marcy In a message dated 3/15/99 5:08:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > Alarm (With remote pager). Cryptonite lock with braided steel cable > secured around a building support. BLOCKED IN WITH MY CAR. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 21:03:04 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03720 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:03:02 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2ACJa25945; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:55:44 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:55:44 EST To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Day of Mourning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/15/1999 8:45:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: << sorry to hear THAT........ ugh what area do you live in Brian? Marcy *keeps her bike double-locked to the fence* In a message dated 3/15/99 4:37:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > It seems (according to the nice officer who came to take the > report) that last night a number of bikes, including my 98 > YZF600R, were abducted. >> Also sorry about your bike Brian. Post the details or a pic so those folks who don't know what it looks like can be on the lookout. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 21:15:52 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04008 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-16.s16.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.16]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04429; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:20:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903160220.VAA04429@smtp2.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: , "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: Day of Mourning Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:22:32 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dawn, Still no message...? I don't know what is up. Your "from" "to" and "subject" come through but that is all. List: Is anyone else having trouble getting Dawn's messages? Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 21:27:47 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04198 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id VAA06955 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:27:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Moving on. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, after the shock wore off this morning, I decided to take this as a good excuse to blow off a day of work (You know.. dealing with police and insurance takes a while...) and think about replacing the YZF. I can get a '99 same model for only a few bucks out of my pocket. Yamaha dropped the price $500 this year to position the R6 as their "sportbike" and the YZF as a "streetsport" (::shrug:: whatever). But where's the fun in that? I figure the only way to turn this into something even remotely posative would be to upgrade in some way. Not trying to start a holy war, BUT... I'm open to suggestions. What I liked about the YZF was above the tripleclamp bars, manageable power, lightweight, good handling. What I didn't like was the buzz you get from the 600 at high revs, and a few more lbs of torque would not be disagreeable out on the beltway. I also don't want to go past 500lbs wet... I'm 5'10, 150. I'd like to be able to pick up whatever I'm riding. I took a look at the Triumphs today at the dealer. The Daytona is really impressive, and I like the fact that it's a little different (the triple). Riding position seems preety comfy, not too commited yet agresive. Does anyone here own one or have experiance with it? The SuperHawk looks impressive as well, but I don't know too much about it. All in all, I'm looking for a bike with good torque, sportbike looks, yet comfortable enough to commute on and not need advil for my back. Not R1/9R/9RR seriousness, but more than the VFR. Basically, a larger displacement version of my YZF600R, which was basically the most tame 600cc sportbike last year. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 21:39:44 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04378 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id VAA06976; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:39:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:39:42 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX cc: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Also sorry about your bike Brian. Post the details or a pic so those folks > who don't know what it looks like can be on the lookout. http://i1.yimg.com/1/fd7/15.jpg The blue Yamaha right in the center of the pic. Not shown in the pic is the right side, which has a yoshimura carbon-fiber exhaust can. Thanks to everyone for the kind words. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:20:46 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05164 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20884 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:20:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:20:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Moving on. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Brian Roach wrote: > The SuperHawk looks impressive as well, but I don't know too much > about it. Heavy fuel consumption and the corresponding limited fuel range are the big limitations of the SuperHawk... However, if you want more torque the SuperHawk has it (making over 50 ft/lbs basically right from idle and maxing close to 70 as compared to the YZFs less than 50 max). > Not R1/9R/9RR seriousness You may be writing off the 9R and 9RR a bit too early. Both will compare, comfort-wise, with your YZF. > but more than the VFR. It's not unlikely that the VFR800 is sportier than your YZF was. It's a tad heavy, based on your 500 lb limitation, but has other desirables you listed (e.g., more torque than the YZF). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:32:27 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05322 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-5.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.46]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06271 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be6f5d$245d79a0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Other Motopolitical Fodder (was Re: ... good helmet law debate. . .) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:29:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 In other parts of the motopolitical world -- For those that don't get the American Motorcyclist (the AMA monthly): Layouts on the Chicago Street Ban (the good guys seem to be winning, due to AMA efforts in the past) http://www.ama-cycle.org/magazine/1999/story1ap.html ; and the "Global Harmonization" wave which many fear could drown us in the air bags, max hp, etc. etc. regulations of European interest such as Chris refers to below (AMA news release http://www.ama-cycle.org/legisltn/releases/g99001.html. ) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> I'll handle my voltage regulation, thank you Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: Chris Norloff ; DC Cycles Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 2:55 PM Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Just as people's failure to use seat belts led to passive restraints, >> automatic seat belts, and air bags, I believe people's failure to use >> helmets and other protective gear will result in more emphasis on >> re-designing the vehicle to "make up" for those failures -- and that >> means leg protectors, motorcycle air bags, etc. > >Oh, and don't forget the second brake light fastened to the back >of the still-mandatory helmet. > >Chris, I just wanted to let you know that I agree with you here. >I don't think that helmet laws will go away without some repercussions >down the road. The recent trade-offs regarding riding helmetless with >higher insurance coverages supports this. What will the fallout be >if the "anti-helmet law" groups get their way? I don't like the >potential answers to that question... > >The expression "Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it" >seems to apply in spades here. > >Dale >-- > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR >1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:44:40 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05560 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-5.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.46]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06574 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:44:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be6f5e$d95221c0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: A nice ERC experience Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:41:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE6F34.EFD5C7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE6F34.EFD5C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A small boon today -- Found it easy to schedule for a Loudoun NVCC ERC = course in April, my experiences in the past leaning toward 2-month waits = and other hurdles. $55, 703 450 2551. One day, 8-5. (Remembering, = in considering the recent wild weather, that my last ERC was on an = afternoon in '97 that registered the hottest temp of the year but had = the last two hours chopped off by a major t-storm.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Oh boy. Some fancy dancing! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE6F34.EFD5C7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A small boon today -- Found it easy to = schedule for=20 a Loudoun NVCC ERC course in April, my experiences in the past leaning = toward=20 2-month waits and other hurdles.  $55,  703 450 2551.  = One day,=20 8-5.   (Remembering, in considering the recent wild weather, = that my=20 last ERC was on an afternoon in '97 that registered the hottest temp of = the year=20 but had the last two hours chopped off by a major t-storm.)
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Oh = boy.  Some=20 fancy dancing!
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE6F34.EFD5C7A0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:51:34 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05730 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-5.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.46]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06833; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be6f5f$ccdc04a0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Brian Roach" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Day of Mourning Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:48:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Awful news. And it sounds like precautions were major -- the coincidence with the weather furthers a "professionals" thought. Bests for getting back up to speed. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Very sorry. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 4:38 PM Subject: Day of Mourning > >Well... first time for me. > >As I leave my apartment this morning to go to work, I notice >something rather odd. One car, one motorcycle. That's funny, >there were TWO motorcycles there last night. ::groan:: > >It seems (according to the nice officer who came to take the >report) that last night a number of bikes, including my 98 >YZF600R, were abducted. I don't expect a ransom note anytime >soon. The cop said it looks like the work of pros due to the >number of bikes taken during the time frame, and the fact that >they only took Japaneese sport bikes when other more expensive >bikes were available at the same location (in my case, a Harley, >and in place he had just come from, a BMW). I have an alarm with >remote pager... it never went off > >This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so I'll get a >check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace it with >the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I almost wish >I had not liked the thing... at least then I could replace it >with another I'd been drooling over or something. I had a hard >enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when I got the >YZF. > >::sigh:: > >- Brian Roach >(ex) 98' YZF600R >'99 HD FXDL > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:57:59 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05839 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:44:12 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002101be6f5f$55ba46c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <36ED6467.2FF3B74@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 An existing helmet law isn't that onerous. It seems to me that AMA, ABATE, et al. would best utilize their resources by preventing new restrictions rather than trying to repeal existing ones. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:58:01 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05841 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:52:58 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Leslie" , , , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: (NKLR) New bike and Questions Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:53:32 -0500 Message-ID: <002201be6f60$8f195c20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <03ed01be7005$c8b7f900$c646accf@l4rite> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 www.bmwbobs.com www.mortonsbmw.com Avoid Battley. www.ibmwr.org is the best general purpose BMW site. http://www.verrill.com/k11og/index.html is the most comprehensive site on the net for K11's. Ted also wrote much of the IBMWR stuff on K11's. All BMW's (until the K12LT) prevent you from starting on the sidestand. It's a stupid safety thing. You can start on the centerstand, and then ride off of it (it's what I do on the RS) Cold natured? I guess some are, but mine certainly isn't. Pop the sucker into the low choke position, hop on, and ride off. Choke off when I get to the main road out of my apt. complex (100 yards). This summer, he'll be cussing the bike because it gets so darned hot. Have your bro' go on some dirt roads and lock up the brakes at low speeds to get a feel for the modulators. And if he's doing his own work on the bike, in addition to bleeding the calipers and cylinders, there is a distribution block (kinda like the proportioning valve on cars and GoldWings (err... Yeah, kinda the same thing;) and some other LBS bikes) that should be bled also. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:59:20 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05858 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id WAA07018; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:59:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:59:15 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: Kirk Roy cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Eek! I knew I should have mentioned something... I owned an '86 VFR 700 (Interceptor) for years and loved it. It was the bike that was finally put out to pasture after many miles and two engines last year (Actually, a friend now has it and loves it). I loved the bike. I love the new ones... I just want to try something different. The *only* complaint I have of the VFR is that it's about 1/2 inch too high in the seat department for my personal taste - I'm 5'11, but more torso than leg. I just think it'd be fun to try out something different, as was my intention initially when I went with the YZF. I do keep wandering back to the VFR though as I'm looking over the various bikes with which to replace the YZF, so it's not out of the running yet :) Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the look of the bikes. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 23:15:45 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from gecko.troutman.org (root@XXXXXX [209.122.239.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06255 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by gecko.troutman.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA00500 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:14:42 -0500 Received: from iguana(172.16.50.1) by gecko via smap (V2.1) id xma000498; Mon, 15 Mar 99 23:14:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990315231351.00cc0100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:14:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Mike T Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:59 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >I loved the bike. I love the new ones... I just want to try something >different. The *only* complaint I have of the VFR is that it's about 1/2 >inch too high in the seat department for my personal taste - I'm 5'11, but >more torso than leg. Did you grow an inch in the last hour? Last time you were 5'10" ;-) ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org =================================== No sig today..... =================================== DNRC member since '97 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 23:39:20 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06639 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id XAA07093; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:39:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:39:16 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: Mike T cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990315231351.00cc0100@www.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 5'10 & 3/4" to be exact... It's just too damn much to type. I was wearing shoes earlier... I took them off. ;) - Brian On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Mike T wrote: > At 10:59 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: > >I loved the bike. I love the new ones... I just want to try something > >different. The *only* complaint I have of the VFR is that it's about 1/2 > >inch too high in the seat department for my personal taste - I'm 5'11, but > >more torso than leg. > > Did you grow an inch in the last hour? Last time you were 5'10" ;-) > > ______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > =================================== > No sig today..... > =================================== > DNRC member since '97 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 23:57:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06973 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27174 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA22397 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:53:50 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Brian Roach" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:54:24 -0500 Message-ID: <002501be6f69$106a3e40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I've ridden one. They're a blast. But as I'm sure you'll hear, the reliability is HORRIBLE. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 06:20:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14640 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA02051 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA26737 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA22822 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust032.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.32]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA01668; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:20:09 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990315214912.0069ebac@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:49:12 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Leon Begeman Subject: Another helmet law rant. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36EC624F.7C91FED5@tidalwave.net> References: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <3.0.3.32.19990314102446.006a9910@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:28 PM 3/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >BTW, all my motorcycle rides are 'joy-rides', since I enjoy bikes >so much. I sure hope joy-riding isn't illegal. :) Based on what you've said so far, it sounds like you think it should be. Wouldn't it be a good idea to limit motor vehicle travel to essential trips only? Non-essential trips deprive your daughters of the money you spend on resources to take that trip, deprives them of the time you could be spending with them, wastes valuable natural resources, and presents a clear danger to those people who are on the road for essential reasons. If I remember correctly, you use a car for days like today (Monday), which makes the motorcycle(s) clearly non-essential. It doesn't matter that riding without a helmet is a dumb thing to do, it doesn't matter that having a law to prevent it will save the lives of people too stupid or too reckless to save their own life. It doesn't even matter that society may end up picking up the bill for the care of the vegetables which result from these actions. What does matter is that there are some things that the government should not be permitted to do. We have rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If my life is my own, than shouldn't I have the right to end it as I see fit? If I can't, then the government is depriving me of the use of that life. If the government prescribes things I must do that are not part of my duties as a citizen and do not cause direct harm to others, then how am I able to exercise liberty? Isn't your idea of a joy-ride (pursuit of happiness) different from those of many other bikers. Riding a motorcycle on a dirt road back in the mountains can be enjoyed in several different ways. By riding at 15 or 20 mph, it is a serene, peaceful way to look at the scenery and be a part of it. I enjoy this kind of ride best without a helmet. Trying to keep up with the locals as they get their pickup sideways in most of the turns is also fun, but I wouldn't attempt it without a helmet and an Aerostich. Another part of the problem I see with helmet laws are the terrifying precendents being set with the tobacco, liquor and alcohol industries. Many of the tactics used against those industries are similar to what is being done to motorcyclists. Helmet laws and equipment restrictions on off-road bikes are easy steps that few people object to, but it will never stop. In 50 years, motorcycling will be significantly different in terms of the the legal requirements to ride. Queston asked of my dad at a job interview: Have you had a driver's license continuously since the age of 16? Answer: No, but I've had one as long as they've been required. The state had no interest in my father driving when he turned 16. My son was required to take training from the state (it was not adequate to the task) pass at least three tests, sign a statement that he had insurance, and have my permission before he could drive at that age. I doubt there was any significant difference in the driving skill of the two of them at that age. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 08:07:23 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16268 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA22010 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF973DA01E2; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:33:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316073402.0181b860@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:39:24 -0500 To: "Leslie" , "dc-cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: (NKLR) New bike and Questions In-Reply-To: <03ed01be7005$c8b7f900$c646accf@l4rite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:36 PM 3/16/99 , Leslie wrote: > Hello all, one of my roommates just picked up a 93' BMW K1100LT Good bike. I've got the '89 K100LT, its ancestor. >Any info or comments >would be helpful...especially on the ABS brakes Keep the bike straight, use all the brakes. You'll hear (and sometimes feel) the brakes cycling. Good to practice in a parking lot so you'll know what to expect. >the owners manual was not on the bike.... See if you can get one from a dealer, or used. Very handy. > out of the many bikes that I've owned this is the >first with a neutral lever down kill switch..is that normal for the larger >touring type bikes Not sure what that is. >and besides its kinda cold natured from what I saw. Very unusual. Mine starts easily and runs well at 90 degrees or 10 degrees. Check the "choke" (starting) lever and replace the spark plugs. Thanx for any >help or direction to a Bavarian site for info....Les... http://www.ibmwr.org (Internet BMW Riders) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 08:11:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16303 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA23364 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02983 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27607 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA23415 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A80742701E2; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:09:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316074526.017f9f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:52:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another helmet law rant. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990315214912.0069ebac@illuminet.net> References: <36EC624F.7C91FED5@tidalwave.net> <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@XXXXXX> <3.0.3.32.19990314102446.006a9910@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:49 PM 3/15/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >We have rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If my life >is my own, than shouldn't I have the right to end it as I see fit? My opinion, after 13 years of street riding, 8 years of teaching, 3 years of running a training center, and a year of lobbying the Maryland government is that this is the only good argument against helmet laws. If you can refuse medical care you find onerous, if you can refuse a life-saving blood transfusion due to your religious beliefs, if you can end your life rather than live in a painful or debilitated state ... then you should be able to choose your level of protection for riding a motorcycle. Other arguments, I believe, are merely "trees rather than forest" arguments. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 08:15:47 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16464 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:15:45 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA23640 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA02818; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:10:00 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002548; Tue, 16 Mar 99 08:09:34 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8O00GJLV948X@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0047FA20 ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:06:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:06:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). To: Brian Roach Cc: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles Message-id: <85256736.0047B78D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Brian, What's your budget? I'd recommend either a) Triumph Sprint ST b) BMW R1100s c) the leftover, but NEW 96 RF900 at coleman's that you could practically steal. :-) Chris '94 RF900 To: Kirk Roy cc: dc-cycles (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Brian Roach Date: 03/16/99 03:59:15 AM GMT Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). Eek! I knew I should have mentioned something... I owned an '86 VFR 700 (Interceptor) for years and loved it. It was the bike that was finally put out to pasture after many miles and two engines last year (Actually, a friend now has it and loves it). I loved the bike. I love the new ones... I just want to try something different. The *only* complaint I have of the VFR is that it's about 1/2 inch too high in the seat department for my personal taste - I'm 5'11, but more torso than leg. I just think it'd be fun to try out something different, as was my intention initially when I went with the YZF. I do keep wandering back to the VFR though as I'm looking over the various bikes with which to replace the YZF, so it's not out of the running yet :) Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the look of the bikes. - Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 08:16:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16475 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA23731 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03019 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA27646 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:14:17 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA04646; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:15:59 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004117; Tue, 16 Mar 99 08:14:16 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8O00HF3VH112@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0048673E ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:10:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:11:00 -0500 Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). To: George Howell Cc: Brian Roach , DC Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <85256736.0048667D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Ridden one? I thought you owned a BMW? --chris To: Brian Roach cc: DC Cycles Mailing List (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: George Howell Date: 03/16/99 04:54:24 AM GMT Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). I've ridden one. They're a blast. But as I'm sure you'll hear, the reliability is HORRIBLE. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 08:43:27 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16965 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA25272 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:40:56 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:40:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) And another round of 'Kissing Pavement' has been played over the weekend. This Contestant? One Mr. Brian McCoy on an 87 VFR700 FII. The scene is set.... 9:30am.. rolling down Powdermill road, following a car.. maybe a bit to closely, but still with lots of room. 45mph or soo... I notice a car behind me.. speeding up, as if to pass, but not attempting to pass (2 lanes in my direction, but the right one merges just a short way from where we were). I figure the driver's anxious, but not stupid to try and get ahead. An intersection approaching, just on the far side is there merge lane I spoke of. We have the green light, and I see a car inching it's nose out into traffic from the right side of the intersection.. looking like he wants to turn right.. lots of time for him to do that if he wanted too.. no move, ok.. smart driver.. going to wait till we pass, then turn. That's where it went wrong.. the driver waited through all the safe times to turn... turned right suddenly, and into the main line of traffic (totally skipped the merge lane). Car infront of me slams on brakes.. I chirp my front (never touched the back.. didn't even try to, but I did downshift once). I managed to get off to the right hand side of the car, going to make it when the car behind me slams into the back of my bike, sending me forward into the car infront of me. Wheel goes under the bumper, headlight explodes on impact with the trunk. I'm tossed off to the right, landing on my head (right cheek area, the kind only a full-face would cover), and right shoulder. Somewhere along the line I put my left hand down to brace as well.. Time passes.. I listen to and watch the glass bouncing across my field of view. It seems like many minutes have passed... I wiggle my fingers and toes.. then pat the ground with both feet and hands. Roll over, sit up.. and take inventory of the situation. Of the 4 vehicles involved, only myself and the car I hit were still present. My bike was on it's right side (funny enough, the same side I dropped it on in the Tues. snow storm). EMS shows up quickly enough, as do the police.. I'm checked out briefly, everything's ok by their determination.. I believe them. Go back, and repair the bike as best possible to ride the last mile home. No fault for either of the drivers present. Bike damage: Totaled headlight assembly (Replaced by Tom Zell..) Tail section smashed into 12 bits (also replaced by Tom Zell) Right mid/lower broken in a couple spots, and rashed.. (repaired as best possible) Bent upper fairing stay (bent it back to 'normal' Bent chrome fork tubes.. (replacements on order currently) Brian Damage: Broken left wrist - casted for the next 6~8 weeks Separated shoulder, torn/stressed ligaments - in a sling for ?? (supposedly will plague me for the rest of my life) Once again, we have a strong product placement for a full face helmet. The only places on the helmet that show marks from hitting, are places that are ONLY covered on a full-face. I didn't exactly touch down lightly either.. I'm of the opinion that my already questionably ugly mug would have been FUBARd had I not being in a full-face. But, you know what... it's your head, wear what you feel you're face/looks/head is worth. Dale H. - you may be taking a slightly larger financial loss (I'm going to be out somewhere near $700 when all's said and done) - but at least you'll get to ride a bike for the next 2 months.. unlike me. and now back to your regularly scheduled work... Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:12:26 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17544 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA26816 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) with SMTP; 16 Mar 1999 14:11:07 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22303 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:07:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:07:36 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Contestant #2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Time passes.. I listen to and watch the glass bouncing across my > field of view. It seems like many minutes have passed... I wiggle my > fingers and toes.. then pat the ground with both feet and hands. Roll over, > sit up.. and take inventory of the situation. Of the 4 vehicles involved, > only myself and the car I hit were still present. I'm under the impression that this is a felony offense? The guy that hit you not stopping? > My bike was on it's right > side (funny enough, the same side I dropped it on in the Tues. snow storm). > EMS shows up quickly enough, as do the police.. I'm checked out briefly, > everything's ok by their determination.. I believe them. Go back, and > repair the bike as best possible to ride the last mile home. No fault for > either of the drivers present. What about the other asshole? The guy that hit you? Any witnesses? Car description? > Bike damage: > Totaled headlight assembly (Replaced by Tom Zell..) > Tail section smashed into 12 bits (also replaced by Tom Zell) > Right mid/lower broken in a couple spots, and rashed.. (repaired as > best possible) > Bent upper fairing stay (bent it back to 'normal' > Bent chrome fork tubes.. (replacements on order currently) Doh! > Brian Damage: > Broken left wrist - casted for the next 6~8 weeks > Separated shoulder, torn/stressed ligaments - in a sling for ?? > (supposedly will plague me for the rest of my life) Argh. I hope they find the bastard. Sue that jerkoff for everything he has. > Once again, we have a strong product placement for a full face > helmet. The only places on the helmet that show marks from hitting, are > places that are ONLY covered on a full-face. I didn't exactly touch down > lightly either.. I'm of the opinion that my already questionably ugly mug > would have been FUBARd had I not being in a full-face. But, you know > what... it's your head, wear what you feel you're face/looks/head is worth. I have dropped my bike twice, and both times, I would have major face injury were it not for my full face helmet. A 1/2 or 3/4 helmet would have left me with permanent scars on my cheeks. > Dale H. - you may be taking a slightly larger financial loss (I'm > going to be out somewhere near $700 when all's said and done) - but at least > you'll get to ride a bike for the next 2 months.. unlike me. Doh! I was looking forward to watching you race, and hearing collin's expert commentary. "Come on brian! Lean! Lean! Lean more damnit!" - was quite amusing. Course, when I watch collin race, all I'm saying is "He's a pyscho. He's gonna wreck. He's gonna wreck." For all you folks that come up to Summit Point this year, watch Collin in the carousel, with that one big bump in it. He runs that corner wide (to set up for the next couple) and I'm telling ya, he hits that bump and it looks like he's gonna drop it EVERY time.. but he hasn't yet. I dont think it feels as impressive as it looks, from what collin said, but maybe he's just playing it down.. > and now back to your regularly scheduled work... > > Brian Why no mention of the guy that hit you? What's the deal with him? Was the driver that you plowed into cool? How come no one came and tried to make sure you were okay until EMS showed up? Well damn. Hope you get better man. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:12:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17554 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26828 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03683 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28751 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:09:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OUCH! Glad to hear you're still breathing, at least. Hopefully, all you'll need is Tylenol for the pain. Similar thing happened to me about six years ago: broken left hand, but my Cow 454 was totaled. Pavement marks over right eye to chin of my helmet (after rolling over the hood of the cage that pulled out in front of me). Having a cast up to your shoulder makes climbing "ladders" (ship stairs) pretty tough, though. On the bright side, got enough from the insurance company to buy my current 1986 Magna from the insurance company. Take care out there, Mitch -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 8:41 AM To: 'dc' Subject: Contestant #2 And another round of 'Kissing Pavement' has been played over the weekend. This Contestant? One Mr. Brian McCoy on an 87 VFR700 FII. The scene is set.... 9:30am.. rolling down Powdermill road, following a car.. maybe a bit to closely, but still with lots of room. 45mph or soo... I notice a car behind me.. speeding up, as if to pass, but not attempting to pass (2 lanes in my direction, but the right one merges just a short way from where we were). I figure the driver's anxious, but not stupid to try and get ahead. An intersection approaching, just on the far side is there merge lane I spoke of. We have the green light, and I see a car inching it's nose out into traffic from the right side of the intersection.. looking like he wants to turn right.. lots of time for him to do that if he wanted too.. no move, ok.. smart driver.. going to wait till we pass, then turn. That's where it went wrong.. the driver waited through all the safe times to turn... turned right suddenly, and into the main line of traffic (totally skipped the merge lane). Car infront of me slams on brakes.. I chirp my front (never touched the back.. didn't even try to, but I did downshift once). I managed to get off to the right hand side of the car, going to make it when the car behind me slams into the back of my bike, sending me forward into the car infront of me. Wheel goes under the bumper, headlight explodes on impact with the trunk. I'm tossed off to the right, landing on my head (right cheek area, the kind only a full-face would cover), and right shoulder. Somewhere along the line I put my left hand down to brace as well.. Time passes.. I listen to and watch the glass bouncing across my field of view. It seems like many minutes have passed... I wiggle my fingers and toes.. then pat the ground with both feet and hands. Roll over, sit up.. and take inventory of the situation. Of the 4 vehicles involved, only myself and the car I hit were still present. My bike was on it's right side (funny enough, the same side I dropped it on in the Tues. snow storm). EMS shows up quickly enough, as do the police.. I'm checked out briefly, everything's ok by their determination.. I believe them. Go back, and repair the bike as best possible to ride the last mile home. No fault for either of the drivers present. Bike damage: Totaled headlight assembly (Replaced by Tom Zell..) Tail section smashed into 12 bits (also replaced by Tom Zell) Right mid/lower broken in a couple spots, and rashed.. (repaired as best possible) Bent upper fairing stay (bent it back to 'normal' Bent chrome fork tubes.. (replacements on order currently) Brian Damage: Broken left wrist - casted for the next 6~8 weeks Separated shoulder, torn/stressed ligaments - in a sling for ?? (supposedly will plague me for the rest of my life) Once again, we have a strong product placement for a full face helmet. The only places on the helmet that show marks from hitting, are places that are ONLY covered on a full-face. I didn't exactly touch down lightly either.. I'm of the opinion that my already questionably ugly mug would have been FUBARd had I not being in a full-face. But, you know what... it's your head, wear what you feel you're face/looks/head is worth. Dale H. - you may be taking a slightly larger financial loss (I'm going to be out somewhere near $700 when all's said and done) - but at least you'll get to ride a bike for the next 2 months.. unlike me. and now back to your regularly scheduled work... Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:17:50 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17631 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA27232 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:14:35 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:14:33 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:17:58 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX, dreamer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Day of Mourning -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Brian, So that the slightest bit of good might come of this--what was the model of the alarm on the bike? Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:26:14 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17712 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:26:13 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27614 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id kTSMa06770; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:22:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <843ed310.36ee691d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:22:21 EST To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 3/15/99 11:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the look of the bikes. >> I just test rode a Buell Lightning at Daytona. They've radically rededigned the ergonomices, and it's now quite comfortable. I found that it handled very well, and it inspired confidence going into the corners. However, the engine just doesn't have any grunt (my only comparison is my Superhawk). I accelerated pretty hard upto 80 mph, and the front end didn't feel light at all. Again, take this with a grain of salt since I'm used to riding a real torque-monster. -matt From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:29:39 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17814 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27757 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:27:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:27:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Why no mention of the guy that hit you? What's the deal with him? > Was the driver that you plowed into cool? How come no one came > and tried to make sure you were okay until EMS showed up? The person that hit me ran.. it was a darker colored early 90's (kinda boxyish front end) mid-sized car.. no idea if it's 2-door, 4 door.. or anything else.. noone else watched that car.. all eyes were on me playing superman, and then rediscovering gravity. The lady I hit was very shaken up.. she looked like she was seeing a ghost when I went up and talked with her.. she kept saying "I thought you were dead!". There were a few people who tried to help me before EMS showed up.. but I was .5 miles from where the EMS dispatches from.. they were there almost within a minute or 2. I knew enough of my injuries to know I wasn't going to die.. and screw lying in the street till they show up.. might as well get the hell out of the way so I don't tie up traffic. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:33:54 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17894 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA28187 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:32:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316143205.21348.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web302.yahoomail.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:32:05 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:32:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Moving on. To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Brian Roach wrote: > I'm open to suggestions. What I liked about the YZF was above the > tripleclamp bars, manageable power, lightweight, good handling. > What I didn't like was the buzz you get from the 600 at high revs, > and a few more lbs of torque would not be disagreeable out on the > beltway. I also don't want to go past 500lbs wet... I'm 5'10, 150. > I'd like to be able to pick up whatever I'm riding. > > I took a look at the Triumphs today at the dealer. The Daytona is > really impressive, and I like the fact that it's a little different > (the triple). Riding position seems preety comfy, not too commited > yet agresive. Does anyone here own one or have experiance with it? > The Daytona is over 500 lbs isn't it??? Or awefully darn close. Long way on the toury side from your YZF. Probably very similar to your old VFR. Maybe a Speed Triple or T595?? > The SuperHawk looks impressive as well, but I don't know too much > about it. > > All in all, I'm looking for a bike with good torque, sportbike looks, yet > comfortable enough to commute on and not need advil for my back. If you want more torque, you need a V-Twin or V-Four motor. You really won't get much more torque at all from an inline four than you had with your YZF. VTR is probably a bit more comfy than the TL-S, but both are very hooliganistic type bikes. And the VFR is just a damn nice all around bike.... Ask some of the WSDY types... even the 94-97 generation has no problems keeping up with the modern bikes on nice roads like 211.... (Of course, we never exceed the speed limit or sane lean angles ;-)) If you aren't concerned so much with size of the bike, look at the new SV650. It's had nothing but rave reviews from everyone. It's reasonably cheap priced, and with a pipe and jets, it had a 10hp increase over stock!!! on an eddy current dyno!!! Check out the new RRW, they had an article about racing it, and Two Brothers made a super nifty front fairing out of a zero gravity windscreen that was 95% windscreen... very sharp. > Not R1/9R/9RR seriousness, but more than the VFR. Basically, a > larger displacement version of my YZF600R, which was basically the > most tame 600cc sportbike last year. I don't know if I'd call a YZF600R tame though :) Like Chris Meier mentioned, look into the RF900. They are AWESOME bikes. Unfortunately they fell to the early death of not being squidly enough and at a bad price for the market when they came out....That means great prices on the few leftovers you see here and there. Also in the ball park price range, you could look into a year or two old (but still new) Ducati 900SS/CR....maybe even the SP model depending on what the insurance check will be... Great all around bikes that hold value nicely and perform well... Bummer that your new shopping is due to some scumbags out there... Let us all know what you end up getting! Collin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:38:29 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17981 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA28286 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA03657; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:33:42 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA00317; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:33:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You might also supply us with the VIN #. Probably wont help but can't hurt. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Brian Roach wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Also sorry about your bike Brian. Post the details or a pic so those folks > > who don't know what it looks like can be on the lookout. > > http://i1.yimg.com/1/fd7/15.jpg > > The blue Yamaha right in the center of the pic. Not shown in the pic is > the right side, which has a yoshimura carbon-fiber exhaust can. > > Thanks to everyone for the kind words. > - Brian > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:41:05 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18028 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA28353 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA29976 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:39:35 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:39:35 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:39:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" << Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the look of the bikes. >> Rode one at Frederick harley about a year ago - handled nicely - standard Sportster vibes. Felt strange - like sitting on top of a high log - also surprised at the lack of torque (I've since found out that my present scooter puts out about 76 ft. lbs., so this may not be a valid comparison). The right leg warmer functioned quite nicely, but the left leg was unheated. It looks like they've made an attempt to correct this in this year's models by tucking that %#*@! rear exhaust pipe a bit further out of the way. Overall feeling was that it was a nice scooter. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:48:40 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18223 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA28941 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA05728; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:44:02 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA03000; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach cc: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the >look of the bikes. Cue Gil. They are great looking bikes and if the horror stories ever come to an end I would buy one. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:00:01 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18410 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA29547 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F234C@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: Web Phone Book/Weekend Ride Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:57:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hey all, Free Stock if you go to http://www.monsterbook.com sign up using the Membership Code and Membership Referral ID # 70392 It only takes about a minute. Tony CBR600 F3 PS I'll probably get seriously flamed for this one, but I just got done going through about 100 e-mails about Motorcycle Helmet laws so I don't feel so bad. PSS Will anyone be riding this weekend? From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:00:32 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18503 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA29553 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10442 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:57:23 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10588B4@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: cheap truck and trailer or HEY BRIAN!!! GET A RAIN BIKE!! lol Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:57:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Here's an ad from the race list. respond to Craig, not me... Collin Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: Craig Faison To: race@XXXXXX Subject: Spam: dirt cheap truck and trailer Message-ID: Recently I bought a pickup to use as a backup while my truck was acting up. Since then, I've solved my vehicle issues, and the it needs to go. I got it cheap, and it's going cheap. Here's the dirt: '86 Nissan Pickup 4cyl, 5spd 140k, runs good, dependable no air, power nothing, shortbed, regular cab some rust, but not bad for an old jap truck aluminum cap $350, located in New Castle, DE. interesting trades considered, as long as they don't take up driveway space... Also for sale: Homemade trailer. Set up for two bikes, could hold 3. Big ass gear box on front. Ugly but rock-solid and very heavy duty. $200. Craig "spam" Faison cfaison@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:04:30 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18523 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA29957 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA10550; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:52 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA11945; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Contestant #2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well that really sucks. Any chance of catching the guy who hit you? Hope you heal quickly. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:14:18 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18713 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:16 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA00736 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA28519; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:10:54 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021169; Tue, 16 Mar 99 09:57:46 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8P0089A09FS7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0051DED4 ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:54:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:50:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Moving on. To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <85256736.00519B15.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Brian (et al), As some on the list may know, I'm looking for a new bike myself. I might be able to answer a couple of your questions, as I've put a fair amount of research into this already. The Superhawk is a great choice. I've subscribed to the Superhawk mailing list for the last few weeks, and the only (and I mean ONLY) problem people have with the bike is a relatively small gas tank. People regularly say they get about 120 miles before they have to refuel. That's not far, but I suppose it depends on your priorities. There are plenty of aftermarket bits for it and it's apparently very fun. Again, I don't own one, but am considering it myself. You also might check out the CBR600 F4. It seems like you're looking for larger displacement, but it might fit your requirements perfectly otherwise. It's supposedly very comfortable and pretty fast too. Good luck, Chris Weaver (snip) I'm open to suggestions. What I liked about the YZF was above the tripleclamp bars, manageable power, lightweight, good handling. What I didn't like was the buzz you get from the 600 at high revs, and a few more lbs of torque would not be disagreeable out on the beltway. I also don't want to go past 500lbs wet... I'm 5'10, 150. I'd like to be able to pick up whatever I'm riding. (snip) The SuperHawk looks impressive as well, but I don't know too much about it. All in all, I'm looking for a bike with good torque, sportbike looks, yet comfortable enough to commute on and not need advil for my back. Not R1/9R/9RR seriousness, but more than the VFR. Basically, a larger displacement version of my YZF600R, which was basically the most tame 600cc sportbike last year. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:16:00 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18792 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA00753 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A37614C011C; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:06:30 EST Message-ID: <36EE7556.D7F7833B@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:30 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Contestant #2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Dale H. - you may be taking a slightly larger financial > loss (I'm going to be out somewhere near $700 when all's said and > done) - but at least you'll get to ride a bike for the next 2 months.. > unlike me. Damn Brian, that sucks. I'm glad it wasn't worse. Having toasted my own bike recently and doing the face-plant thing too, I feel for you. I was gonna write up a half-in-jest email this morning complaining loud and long about riding Tracy's old Savage to work today, but I think I'll just keep quiet now. :) Heal well, dude! I hope the hit-and-runners get found and strung up. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:16:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18802 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA00840 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04562 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00674 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:10:16 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:10:57 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01be6fbf$319f1b20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <85256736.0048253F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I had a test ride on an M2 before buying the first Beemer. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Ridden one? I thought you owned a BMW? > > --chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:19:39 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18845 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA01044 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:36 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01be6fbf$cc9b0260$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Damn, sounds pretty rough. Too bad nobody got the license number of the guy that slammed into you. Hope you heal up okay. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:22:15 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18930 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA01128 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A4A624012E; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:11:34 EST Message-ID: <36EE7683.78B04E04@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:19:31 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <002101be6f5f$55ba46c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > An existing helmet law isn't that onerous. It seems to me that AMA, ABATE, > et al. would best utilize their resources by preventing new restrictions > rather than trying to repeal existing ones. Leave it to George to say concisely in one sentence what it's taken me several days and posts to attempt to get across. Thanks, George. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:25:28 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18943 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA01526 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:22:04 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:21:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:25:17 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: roach@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Brian, Buells are huge fun, but I know one of our listers had problems with his. Motorcyclist just concluded a 15,000-mile test on an S3T, and had big probs the last 5000mi. Buell has since issued fixes for the really bad things like motor mount failure and oil leaks. I want one too, but probably not as my only bike. If I were in your boots, I'd start calling Suzuki dealers for a new, non-current RF900. They're beautiful, great motor, and since they didn't sell to well, relatively cheap. Sort of like a inline-four VFR with a bit of styling edge. IMO one of the most underaprreciated bikes of the last ten years. Joe >>> Brian Roach - 3/15/99 10:59 PM >>> Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the look of the bikes. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:35:17 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19310 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA02282 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA30311; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:28:56 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990316153220.TNNR18356@toddnt>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:32:20 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , "Brian Roach" Cc: "Kirk Roy" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:30:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be6fc1$e79f7170$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal > > >Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the > >look of the bikes. > > Cue Gil. > > They are great looking bikes and if the horror stories > ever come to an end I would buy one. Gil is overseas for awhile. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:35:57 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19338 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA02300 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA08216; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:30:43 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990316153401.TNUS18356@toddnt>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:34:01 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Suazo, Tony" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Web Phone Book/Weekend Ride Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:32:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be6fc2$23ca6d80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F234C@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> Importance: Normal No free stock Tony. Go back and read it again. > Hey all, > > Free Stock if you go to http://www.monsterbook.com sign up using the > Membership > Code and Membership Referral ID # 70392 > > It only takes about a minute. > > Tony > CBR600 F3 > > PS I'll probably get seriously flamed for this one, but I just got done > going through > about 100 e-mails about Motorcycle Helmet laws so I don't feel so bad. > > PSS Will anyone be riding this weekend? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:36:40 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19356 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.189]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA02339 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:35:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316154010.28526.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web307.yahoomail.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:40:10 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:40:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). -Reply To: JOE NAGY , roach@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree 100%.. it suffered the same fate as the very good FJ1200's and HawkGT's. The motor is excellent. Several Formula USA teams cram it into a GSXR750 frame and use it for Formula USA racing. CT ---JOE NAGY wrote: > > Brian, > If I were in your boots, I'd start calling Suzuki dealers for a new, > non-current RF900. Sort of like a inline-four VFR with a > bit of styling edge. IMO one of the most underaprreciated bikes of the > last ten years. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:59:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19780 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA03828 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA25093; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:26 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990316155735.TSAF18356@toddnt>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:57:35 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "George Howell" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be6fc5$6e8c6e10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36EE7683.78B04E04@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > George Howell wrote: > > > > An existing helmet law isn't that onerous. It seems to me that > AMA, ABATE, > > et al. would best utilize their resources by preventing new restrictions > > rather than trying to repeal existing ones. > > Leave it to George to say concisely in one sentence what it's > taken me several days and posts to attempt to get across. > Thanks, George. Yes, but then it wouldn't be nearly as fun to punch holes in your arguments. ;) Let me try with Georges. - 'Isn't that onerous' is a matter of opinion. Some people absolutely hate the feel of a restrictive helmet. Claustrophobia maybe. - The AMA, and to a lesser degree ABATE do utilize their legal resources on many fronts, protecting many of your riding rights. But here again, your sentence was written in a matter of perception/opinion. I know Dale doesn't belong to the AMA, and I know why. He doesn't agree with the AMA's position regarding helmet laws. Throwing the baby out with the bath water my grandma might say. I don't know if George belongs or not. But just let me point out the hypocrosy of the recent arguments that go like, "if we continue to fight helmet laws, they'll take the rest away". Speculative bologna! By not joining or otherwise supporting the AMA and ABATE and groups advocating riders rights, you are part of the problem you fear most. A lack of support or solidarity on the many issues surrounding legislated safety and discrimination against motorcyclists is nearly tacit support of the almighty state to do as it pleases. >From what I've read in the past few days, nobody wants this. So don't bust on the only groups fighting for your rights. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 11:24:26 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20303 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA05684 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA10036; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:24:16 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027094; Tue, 16 Mar 99 11:01:13 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8P00HXL3795U@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:01:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0057B2EE ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:57:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:57:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: Dale Horstman Cc: George Howell , DC Cycles Message-id: <85256736.00576BA0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Dale, That isn't how I have perceived what you said. You have indicated that you believe that there are cases (helmet laws) in which you believe the government has a role in protecting a "greater interest" through legislation. I would surmise that you are not against future restrictions across the board, but would probably pick and choose them based on the value you see in them. Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought you were saying not only that you were against repealing the helmet law, but you are FOR having a helmet law. Correct me if I'm wrong, --chris To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Dale Horstman Date: 03/16/99 03:19:31 PM GMT Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. George Howell wrote: > > An existing helmet law isn't that onerous. It seems to me that AMA, ABATE, > et al. would best utilize their resources by preventing new restrictions > rather than trying to repeal existing ones. Leave it to George to say concisely in one sentence what it's taken me several days and posts to attempt to get across. Thanks, George. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 12:36:08 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21631 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA10326 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23745 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:33:05 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10588B6@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Cc: "Hawkins, Benjamin LT" , "Newman, Jeffrey LTJG" Subject: FW: Gone fishing' (no EX material) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:33:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain too funny....May your bike never end up like this one... > -----Original Message----- > From: TJ Tryon, Jr. [SMTP:trident@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:59 AM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: Gone fishing' (no EX material) > > http://www.concours.org/co/graphics/shaw1.jpg > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 12:49:39 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21809 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA11296 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:42:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gone fishing' (no EX material) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:42:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I think he flooded the engine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 12:33 PM > To: 'dc' > Cc: Hawkins, Benjamin LT; Newman, Jeffrey LTJG > Subject: FW: Gone fishing' (no EX material) > > too funny....May your bike never end up like this one... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TJ Tryon, Jr. [SMTP:trident@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:59 AM > > To: ex500@XXXXXX > > Subject: Gone fishing' (no EX material) > > > > http://www.concours.org/co/graphics/shaw1.jpg > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 12:50:41 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21896 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA11343 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A7C01CC010E; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:41:20 EST Message-ID: <36EE99A0.5A812F43@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:49:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <001101be6fc5$6e8c6e10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Some people absolutely hate the feel of a restrictive helmet. Me, too. Tell 'em to try a larger size, it might fit better. < Ducking and running... > Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 12:58:25 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22012 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA13061 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:55:27 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: I know.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:54:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) one of my coworkers says "I know someone who was killed while riding a motorcycle, I'm just glad to see you're ok" and walks off... I didn't bite my tongue.. I walked after her and asked how many car accidents she saw every day on her way home from work. I asked if she remembered the 'road rage' incidents of last year that killed something like 8 people... and made her feel small.. Then I had to appologize to her for being so harsh, and explained that I love riding a motorcycle.. I love it like most people love family members. I love it more than any woman could ever love chocolate.. and it upsets me when people are negative about my lifestyle... Lets see if that circulates the building as fast as the news that I'd gotten in an accident did. I don't understand what people will bring up things like that in a casual conversation with someone who just had an accident.. are they attempting to insinuate they wish me harm.. or what? ugh.. way to frustrated to deal wiht the pain... or is that supposed to be the other way 'round.. :( Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:28:24 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22533 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15619 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27930 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:25:15 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10588B9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: WERA Racers???? Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:25:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain David, Steve?? Bueler?? Anyone have the pre-entry fee structure for WERA handy?? Can't find it anywhere on the website, and I'd like to get my entry fees out today... Thanks for any help... Collin From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:32:45 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22643 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15820 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id NAA07618; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:19 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moving on. In-Reply-To: <19990316143205.21348.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > The Daytona is over 500 lbs isn't it??? Or awefully darn close. Long > way on the toury side from your YZF. Probably very similar to your > old VFR. Maybe a Speed Triple or T595?? The Daytona is the T595 (now 955i). It's pretty much the "tame" superbike much like my YZF was to the 600 class. The reviews I've read pretty much point to the same things I liked about the YZF in comparison to the other 600's - not quite as fast, not nearly as good on the track, but a great street bike. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:33:27 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22653 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:33:26 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15852 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hGEHa16741; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:28:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:28:30 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Contestant #2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/16/99 8:54:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << And another round of 'Kissing Pavement' has been played over the weekend. This Contestant? One Mr. Brian McCoy on an 87 VFR700 FII. The scene is set.... >> Sorry to hear about that. At least you're still in one piece, mostly. :-) Just think of it this way, you'll be able to ride again when the GOOD weather shows up. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:39:29 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22770 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:39:27 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA16211 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id aWWBa06770; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <73ceb2ec.36eea393@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:47 EST To: alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Contestant #2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/16/99 9:20:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, alexm@XXXXXX writes: << Of the 4 vehicles involved, > only myself and the car I hit were still present. I'm under the impression that this is a felony offense? The guy that hit you not stopping? >> You are correct. If they find this person, he can be arrested and fined for leaving the scene of an accident. He is FULLY liable for ALL damages done to your bike. Hunt him down like the dog he is. I'm sure we've got quite a few people on the list willing to help. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:40:34 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22791 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA16264 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA23881 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:38:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903161838.NAA23881@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:40:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RF 900 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Does anyone know where I might be able to see a picture of the Suzuki RF 900? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:45:43 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22965 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA16750 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A4A21E30106; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:36:18 EST Message-ID: <36EEA682.93A598B3@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:44:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <001101be6fc5$6e8c6e10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > I know Dale doesn't belong to the AMA, and I know why. He doesn't > agree with the AMA's position regarding helmet laws. Throwing the > baby out with the bath water my grandma might say. Actually, one of my very well kept secrets is that I have been an AMA member for the past year. :) The way my insurance worked out when I first bought BugSlayer last March was that if I became a member, I'd get a discount on the insurance. What the hell, membership for free, why not? :) That said, I have the renewal forms at home, but I don't plan on rejoining this year. This nonsense over million dollar racing lawsuits and support of removing helmet laws just turned me off cold. It just goes to show, even though the AMA does good things, like pointing out that Chicago closing Lake Shore Drive to motorcyclist violates Federal laws (laws which AMA championed), that as an organization the AMA is distracted too easily by nonsensical things like sanctioning racing leagues (should be privatized) and fighting Helmet laws. They'll do without my money for a while longer. > But just let me point out the hypocrosy of the recent arguments > that go like, "if we continue to fight helmet laws, they'll take > the rest away". Speculative bologna! Where's the hypocrosy, Todd? Please listen to what's being said. We had seat belts and seat belt laws for cages for years, the laws had no teeth, and many people refused to wear the belts. Now we have airbags in most cars, to counter this perceived non-use danger, and only a few new models have realistic options to disable the bags, which incidently happen to occasionally kill small passengers in low-speed accidents. Seat belts in cages were effective. Laws with teeth mandating their use might have prevented the forced installation of explosive devices in the front seat of my car. Do you see the parallels between seat belts in cars and helmet for motorcycles yet? > By not joining or otherwise supporting the AMA and ABATE and groups > advocating riders rights, you are part of the problem you fear most. Maybe, but look at how divided our little List is becoming on this issue. Why should I support the AMA/ABATE if I truly do not believe they are doing the right thing regarding helmet laws? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:52:56 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23081 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA17121 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:51:31 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:51:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > You are correct. If they find this person, he can be > arrested and fined for > leaving the scene of an accident. He is FULLY liable for ALL > damages done to > your bike. Hunt him down like the dog he is. I'm sure we've > got quite a few > people on the list willing to help. Nice idea and all... but I have no clue what kind of car.. I remember that it was dark, had a boxy front end, mid-sized sedan.. there are probably thousands of cars that fit that description.. I have no idea even what state plates the guy had.. nothin.. or even if it WAS a guy.. nice idea though... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:00:40 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23259 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:00:39 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA18221 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id cNMTa13170; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:46:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:46:29 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: BHawkins@XXXXXX, jnewman@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Gone fishing' (no EX material) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/16/99 12:42:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << too funny....May your bike never end up like this one... > -----Original Message----- > From: TJ Tryon, Jr. [SMTP:trident@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:59 AM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: Gone fishing' (no EX material) > > http://www.concours.org/co/graphics/shaw1.jpg > > > >> Where's my scuba gear? Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:02:59 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23287 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pine.eainet.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA18451 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16845; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:02:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:01:36 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Contestant #2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Brian -- Put up a "witnesses wanted" poster at the crash site, maybe? -ph On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > You are correct. If they find this person, he can be > > arrested and fined for > > leaving the scene of an accident. He is FULLY liable for ALL > > damages done to > > your bike. Hunt him down like the dog he is. I'm sure we've > > got quite a few > > people on the list willing to help. > > Nice idea and all... but I have no clue what kind of car.. I remember that > it was dark, had a boxy front end, mid-sized sedan.. > there are probably thousands of cars that fit that description.. I have no > idea even what state plates the guy had.. nothin.. or even if it WAS a guy.. > > nice idea though... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:05:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23372 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA18761 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08833 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09081 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27803 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A90E57A00C8; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:55:10 EST Message-ID: <36EEAAEE.6583D39E@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:03:10 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another helmet law rant. References: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <3.0.3.32.19990314102446.006a9910@XXXXXX> <3.0.3.32.19990315214912.0069ebac@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > Wouldn't it be a good idea to limit motor vehicle travel to > essential trips only? Depends on your point of view, I guess. I've never claimed that my fascination and rapture with motorcycling was a good idea. Looking back, it was probably one of the most irrational things I've done with my life so far. And I've got the grin to prove it. :) > If I remember correctly, you use a car for days like today (Monday), > which makes the motorcycle(s) clearly non-essential. Actually, I worked from home Monday. Every bike, car, truck, bus, and mommyvan out on the road yesterday was nonessential. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. :) > If my life is my own, than shouldn't I have the right to end it as I > see fit? That's a very selfish view of things. Think of your own children and wife when you ask that question. > By > riding at 15 or 20 mph, it is a serene, peaceful way to look at the scenery > and be a part of it. I enjoy this kind of ride best without a helmet. > Trying to keep up with the locals as they get their pickup sideways in most > of the turns is also fun, but I wouldn't attempt it without a helmet and an > Aerostich. Ah, my friend, but what happens when that pickup is coming at you the WRONG WAY sideways when you are out riding at 15 mph enjoying the scenery? Splat city. That's the problem with fighting helmet laws - there are too many variables that cannot be controlled out there. I went down last month on a ride very similar to your serene, peaceful, helmetless one. And I wouldn't be here today dragging out this stupid thread to infinity if I had been riding without a helmet. (I know that most of the readers at this point are wondering if that is a good thing!) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:13:13 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23498 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA19740 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AB161BA011A; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:03:50 EST Message-ID: <36EEACF6.F0BD9A97@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:11:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Contestant #2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Just think of it this way, you'll be able to ride again when the > GOOD weather shows up. And I think as soon as Brian heals, we should have a group ride up to Punxsutawney, PA to hunt down certain groundhog. Spring right around the corner my ass, there's still snow on the ground, damnit! 6 weeks to the day after that myopic bastard rat failed to see his shadow even in the glare of all the tv cameras. Anyone got any good groundhog recipes? Dale (then again, not like I can ride my bike anyway...) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:14:24 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23515 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA19998 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA27788 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:12:51 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:12:51 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: I know.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:12:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I love it more than any woman could ever love chocolate.. Kinda sexist there, guy - 'taint just wimmen that love chocolate! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:21:59 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23692 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA20426 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AD1E3C90124; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:12:30 EST Message-ID: <36EEAEFF.F5979084@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:20:31 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: George Howell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <85256736.00576BB8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > I would surmise that you are not against future restrictions across > the board, but would probably pick and choose them based on the value > you see in them. Am I the only one who feels this way? You mean no one else judges new laws by their individual merits anymore? Damn, I am behind the times, wanting to take things on a case by case basis... > Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought you were saying not only that you > were against repealing the helmet law, but you are FOR having a > helmet law. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, Nope, that's right on. It is no more complicated than this: Them: "Look, Son, we are gonna let you ride this nice shiny motosickle anwhere you want, anytime you want, more or less as fast as you want, with anybody you want. All you gotta do is wear this here helmet." Me: "OK, I was gonna wear one anyway." So what's the big deal? Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:24:25 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23710 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA20768 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id ADB82630102; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:04 EST Message-ID: <36EEAF98.39324A60@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:23:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Thompson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RF 900 References: <199903161838.NAA23881@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can go see one in person at Cycle Sport Herndon. Used, maybe 15k on the clock, been there for a while, probably could get a good deal. Sorry, don't have any pic's online, though. Nice bike. Damn shame it's a chain drive, but that's my personal opinion. :) Dale Danny Thompson wrote: > > Does anyone know where I might be able to see a picture of the > Suzuki RF 900? > > Thanks, > > Danny > '99 VFR -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:25:35 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23735 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA20947 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F2356@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:23:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I have an idea. I don't know if it will work, but here it goes. I am assuming that the accident happened on the way to work this morning. I'm sure someone must have seen something. Being that most of us are people of habit, they will be commuting the same way tomorrow morning. I'm willing to meet up with you around the same time and place with a BIG F*&@^in' sign. Maybe a motorist with information will pull over or give a call. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:28:24 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23847 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA21348 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A0811FA01C4; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:26:57 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316143246.017e9b70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:34:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Contestant #2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> I'm sure we've >> got quite a few >> people on the list willing to help. > >Nice idea and all... but I have no clue what kind of car.. I remember that >it was dark, had a boxy front end, mid-sized sedan.. >there are probably thousands of cars that fit that description.. I have no >idea even what state plates the guy had.. nothin.. or even if it WAS a guy.. > >nice idea though... 'bout the only way we could find something would be to go to the same place each day at that time in case he/she/it travels through there regularly. Getting an identification would be pretty hard, unless there was visible damage to the front of the car that could be matched with the damage to the bike. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:28:25 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23849 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA21350 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A0801FA01C4; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:26:56 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316142540.017fb010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:31:40 -0500 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I know.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:54 PM 3/16/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >one of my coworkers says "I know someone who was killed while riding a >motorcycle, I'm just glad to see you're ok" and walks off... > >I didn't bite my tongue.. I walked after her and asked how many car >accidents she saw every day on her way home from work.... >Lets see if that circulates the building as fast as the news that I'd gotten >in an accident did. I don't understand what people will bring up things >like that in a casual conversation with someone who just had an accident.. >are they attempting to insinuate they wish me harm.. or what? Your question may have been rhetorical, but I'll answer it anyway -- They're attempting to justify/rationalize to themselves why they don't ride and why others shouldn't ride. Me, I tell about my friend horribly mangled when stopped at a light and hit from behind by a daydreaming car driver. If only he'd been on a bike, he could have pulled up between the cars, but no, he was in a car - and he was horribly injured. then I tell them that a rear-end collision is the most common collision in this area and nationwide - all caused by car drivers driving too fast to control their cars. That tends to shut them up or to get an admission of "advantages and disadvantages". My friend? Actually he's ficticious ... though something like that happened to someone on this list, I think. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:28:32 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23853 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA21354 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:26:13 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: I know.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:23:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > >I love it more than any woman could ever love chocolate.. > > Kinda sexist there, guy - 'taint just wimmen that love chocolate! > > Michael J. Yea, well you haven't kicked me out of bed at 3:30am and told me to get you chocolate because you were hungry and needed to regain some energy. I'll forever stand by my thoughts that women love chocolate more than men can ever even begin to imagine.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:31:54 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23955 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.129]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA21874 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:30:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316193123.11639.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.251] by send205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:31:23 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:31:23 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Any CCS racers out there? To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If so, I'd like some information. New classes for 1999 include GP Singles and there's rumoured to be a CCS Vintage program also. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:32:53 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23965 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA21923 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09251 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: RF 900 In-Reply-To: <199903161838.NAA23881@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Danny Thompson wrote: > Does anyone know where I might be able to see a picture of the > Suzuki RF 900? There's a review/comparison with the previous generation VFR at motorcycle online... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:36:41 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24060 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA22266 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:35:11 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:39:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Burger, Donald" To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RF 900 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:39:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Go to http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/gtbikes.html. It gives a detailed comparison to the 96 VFR Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: Burger, Donald > Subject: RF 900 > > Does anyone know where I might be able to see a picture of the > Suzuki RF 900? > > Thanks, > > Danny > '99 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:45:53 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24238 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA22832 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA00155; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:44:13 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990316194404.RMYL7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:44:04 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:42:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be6fe5$1c9e1a70$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <36EEA682.93A598B3@tidalwave.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > Where's the hypocrosy, Todd? > > By not joining or otherwise supporting the AMA and ABATE and groups > > advocating riders rights, you are part of the problem you fear most. > > Maybe, but look at how divided our little List is becoming on this > issue. Why should I support the AMA/ABATE if I truly do not believe > they are doing the right thing regarding helmet laws? I understand your position Dale, but standing by and speculating based on previous events is still just standing by. The hypocrisy I was pointing too was that you are against one of the only organizations willing to champion your rights as a rider, regardless of whether you believe wearing a helmet or not is a right (it is). But you insist that if they fight helmet laws all the other things you fear will happen, will happen. You have no proof one way or the other that they will happen, so why don't you stand behind the AMA and groups like them in the off chance that by doing so will turn out, you know, "for the greater good". Ok, we're spinning wheels now. If there are no other ideas, opinions, facts or otherwise, I suggest we put this little flaming gem away for another 6 months, or until Virginia repeals its Big Brotherly Love laws. By then the list will have become boring again and we can argue outloud again, like the low-life biker scum we are. :) Todd (Live and let Live, Live and let Die, Live free or Die) - excerpted from 'The essence of liberty', by David F. Nolan "....You own your own body and mind; no external power has the right to force you into the service of "society" or "mankind" or any other individual group for any purpose, however noble. Slavery is wrong, period. Because you own yourself, you are responsible for your own well-being. Others are not obligated to feed you, clothe you, or provide you with health care....." From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:47:55 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24258 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA22960 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA24988; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:34 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA24699; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: "Suazo, Tony" cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Contestant #2 In-Reply-To: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F2356@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll be glad to help also. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Suazo, Tony wrote: > > I have an idea. I don't know if it will work, but here it goes. I > am assuming > that the accident happened on the way to work this morning. I'm > sure someone > must have seen something. Being that most of us are people of > habit, they > will be commuting the same way tomorrow morning. I'm willing to > meet up > with you around the same time and place with a BIG F*&@^in' sign. > Maybe > a motorist with information will pull over or give a call. > > Tony > CBR600 F3 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:50:18 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24335 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA23081 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09555 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10538 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28445 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA16511; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:46:49 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990316194714.RPLS7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:47:14 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Leon Begeman" Cc: Subject: RE: Another helmet law rant. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:45:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be6fe5$8dabe800$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <36EEAAEE.6583D39E@tidalwave.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > That's the problem with > fighting helmet laws - there are too many variables that cannot > be controlled out there. I went down last month on a ride very > similar to your serene, peaceful, helmetless one. And I wouldn't be > here today dragging out this stupid thread to infinity if I > had been riding without a helmet. (I know that most of the > readers at this point are wondering if that is a good thing!) :) Wrong Dale! You would have been sorely missed. Your views on this subject have proven that we all don't have to agree on every topic, even if you know you're wrong. And you do, c'mon and admit it. Had you not been wearing a helmet, I would have considered you brain dead anyway. ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:50:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24345 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA23104 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09558 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10547 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 449 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:09 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990316144440.02488580@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Read Very Carefully, Everyone A lecture follows, given by Charlton Heston at Harvard. His points are all valid and should be taken to heart by those of us concerned with individual liberties. "Winning The Cultural War" Harvard Law School Forum February 16, 1999 ... by Charlton Heston I remember my son when he was five, explaining to his kindergarten class what his father did for a living. "My Daddy," he said, "pretends to be people." There have been quite a few of them. Prophets from the Old and New Testaments, a couple of Christian saints, generals of various nationalities and different centuries, several kings, three American presidents, a French cardinal and two geniuses, including Michelangelo. If you want the ceiling re-painted I'll do my best. There always seem to be a lot of different fellows up here. I'm never sure which one of them gets to talk. Right now, I guess I'm the guy. As I pondered our visit tonight it struck me: If my Creator gave me the gift to connect you with the hearts and minds of those great men, then I want to use that same gift now to re-connect you with your own sense of liberty ... your own freedom of thought ... your own compass for what is right. Dedicating the memorial at Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln said of America, "We are now engaged in a great Civil War, testing whether this nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure." Those words are true again. I believe that we are again engaged in a great civil war, a cultural war that's about to hijack your birthright to think and say what resides in your heart. I fear you no longer trust the pulsing lifeblood of liberty inside you ... the stuff that made this country rise from wilderness into the miracle that it is. Let me back up. About a year ago I became president of the National Rifle Association, which protects the right to keep and bear arms. I ran for office, I was elected, and now I serve ... I serve as a moving target for the media who've called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile, crazy old man." I know ... I'm pretty old ... but I sure Lord ain't senile. As I have stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I've realized that firearms are not the only issue. No, it's much, much bigger than that. I've come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain acceptable thoughts and speech are mandated. For example, I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 -- long before Hollywood found it fashionable. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist. I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life. But when I told an audience that gay rights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe. I served in World War II against the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling out innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite. Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh. From Time magazine to friends and colleagues, they're essentially saying, "Chuck, how dare you speak your mind. You are using language not authorized for public consumption!" But I am not afraid. If Americans believed in political correctness, we'd still be King George's boys-subjects bound to the British crown. In his book, "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross writes that "blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual theories regularly foisted on us from every direction. Underneath, the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name is undermining the nation, turning the mind mushy when it comes to separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don't like it." Let me read a few examples. At Antioch college in Ohio, young men seeking intimacy with a coed must get verbal permission at each step of the process from kissing to petting to final copulation ... all clearly spelled out in a printed college directive. In New Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who had been infected by dentists who had concealed their AIDS --- the state commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive need not ... need not ... tell their patients that they are infected. At William and Mary, students tried to change the name of the school team "The Tribe" because it was supposedly insulting to local Indians, only to learn that authentic Virginia chiefs truly like the name. In San Francisco, city fathers passed an ordinance protecting the rights of transvestites to cross-dress on the job, and for transsexuals to have separate toilet facilities while undergoing sex change surgery. In New York City, kids who don't speak a word of Spanish have been placed in bilingual classes to learn their three R's in Spanish solely because their last names sound Hispanic. At the University of Pennsylvania, in a state where thousands died at Gettysburg opposing slavery, the president of that college officially set up segregated dormitory space for black students. Yeah, I know ... that's out of bounds now. Dr. King said "Negroes." Jimmy Baldwin and most of us on the March said "black." But it's a no-no now. For me, hyphenated identities are awkward ... particularly "Native-American." I'm a Native American, for God's sake. I also happen to be a blood-initiated brother of the Miniconjou Sioux. On my wife's side, my grandson is a thirteenth generation native American ... with a capital letter on "American." Finally, just last month ... David Howard, head of the Washington D.C. Office of Public Advocate, used the word "niggardly" while talking to colleagues about budgetary matters. Of course, "niggardly" means stingy or scanty. But within days Howard was forced to publicly apologize and resign. As columnist Tony Snow wrote: "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ were morons who (a) didn't know the meaning of niggardly, (b) didn't know how to use a dictionary to discover the meaning, and (c) actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance." What does all of this mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say, so telling us what to do can't be far behind. Before you claim to be a champion of free thought, tell me: Why did political correctness originate on America's campuses? And why do you continue to tolerate it? Why do you, who're supposed to debate ideas, surrender to their suppression? Let's be honest. Who here thinks your professors can say what they really believe? It scares me to death, and should scare you too, that the superstition of political correctness rules the halls of reason. You are the best and the brightest. You, here in the fertile cradle of American academia, here in the castle of learning on the Charles River, you are the cream. But I submit that you, and your counterparts across the land, are the most socially conformed and politically silenced generation since Concord Bridge. And as long as you validate that ... and abide it ... you are-by your grandfathers' standards-cowards. Here's another example. Right now at more than one major university, Second Amendment scholars and researchers are being told to shut up about their findings or they'll lose their jobs. Why? Because their research findings would undermine big-city mayor's pending lawsuits that seek to extort hundreds of millions of dollars from firearm manufacturers. I don't care what you think about guns. But if you are not shocked at that, I am shocked at you. Who will guard the raw material of unfettered ideas, if not you? Who will defend the core value of academia, if you supposed soldiers of free thought and expression lay down your arms and plead, "Don't shoot me." If you talk about race, it does not make you a racist. If you see distinctions between the genders, it does not make you a sexist. If you think critically about a denomination, it does not make you anti-religion. If you accept but don't celebrate homosexuality, it does not make you a homophobe. Don't let America's universities continue to serve as incubators for this rampant epidemic of new McCarthyism. But what can you do? How can anyone prevail against such pervasive social subjugation? The answer's been here all along. I learned it 36 years ago, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C., standing with Dr. Martin Luther King and two hundred thousand people. You simply ... disobey. Peaceably, yes. Respectfully, of course. Nonviolently, absolutely. But when told how to think or what to say or how to behave, we don't. We disobey social protocol that stifles and stigmatizes personal freedom. I learned the awesome power of disobedience from Dr. King ... who learned it from Gandhi, and Thoreau, and Jesus, and every other great man who led those in the right against those with the might. Disobedience is in our DNA. We feel innate kinship with that disobedient spirit that tossed tea into Boston Harbor, that sent Thoreau to jail, that refused to sit in the back of the bus, that protested a war in Viet Nam. In that same spirit, I am asking you to disavow cultural correctness with massive disobedience of rogue authority, social directives and onerous law that weaken personal freedom. But be careful ... it hurts. Disobedience demands that you put yourself at risk. Dr. King stood on lots of balconies. You must be willing to be humiliated ... to endure the modern-day equivalent of the police dogs at Montgomery and the water cannons at Selma. You must be willing to experience discomfort. I'm not complaining, but my own decades of social activism have taken their toll on me. Let me tell you a story. A few years back I heard about a rapper named Ice-T who was selling a CD called "Cop Killer" celebrating ambushing and murdering police officers. It was being marketed by none other than Time/Warner, the biggest entertainment conglomerate in the world. Police across the country were outraged. Rightfully so-at least one had been murdered. But Time/Warner was stonewalling because the CD was a cash cow for them, and the media were tiptoeing around it because the rapper was black. I heard Time/Warner had a stockholders meeting scheduled in Beverly Hills. I owned some shares at the time, so I decided to attend. What I did there was against the advice of my family and colleagues. I asked for the floor. To a hushed room of a thousand average American stockholders, I simply read the full lyrics of "Cop Killer"-every vicious, vulgar, instructional word. "I GOT MY 12 GAUGE SAWED OFF I GOT MY HEADLIGHTS TURNED OFF I'M ABOUT TO BUST SOME SHOTS OFF I'M ABOUT TO DUST SOME COPS OFF..." It got worse, a lot worse. I won't read the rest of it to you. But trust me, the room was a sea of shocked, frozen, blanched faces. The Time/Warner executives squirmed in their chairs and stared at their shoes. They hated me for that. Then I delivered another volley of sick lyric brimming with racist filth, where Ice-T fantasizes about sodomizing two 12-year old nieces of Al and Tipper Gore. "SHE PUSHED HER BUTT AGAINST MY ...." Well, I won't do to you here what I did to them. Let's just say I left the room in echoing silence. When I read the lyrics to the waiting press corps, one of them said "We can't print that." "I know," I replied, "but Time/Warner's selling it." Two months later, Time/Warner terminated Ice-T's contract. I'll never be offered another film by Warners, or get a good review from Time magazine. But disobedience means you must be willing to act, not just talk. When a mugger sues his elderly victim for defending herself ... jam the switchboard of the district attorney's office. When your university is pressured to lower standards until 80% of the students graduate with honors ... choke the halls of the board of regents. When an 8-year-old boy pecks a girl's cheek on the playground and gets hauled into court for sexual harassment ... march on that school and block its doorways. When someone you elected is seduced by political power and betrays you ... petition them, oust them, banish them. When Time magazine's cover portrays millennium nuts as deranged, crazy Christians holding a cross as it did last month ... boycott their magazine and the products it advertises. So that this nation may long endure, I urge you to follow in the hallowed footsteps of the great disobediences of history that freed exiles, founded religions, defeated tyrants, and yes, in the hands of an aroused rabble in arms and a few great men, by God's grace, built this country. If Dr. King were here, I think he would agree. Thank you. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:52:15 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24356 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA23201 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:50:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316195419.24479.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web308.yahoomail.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:54:19 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:54:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: RF 900 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And a pic of it is also at bikepics.com http://www.bikepics.com/suzuki/rf900/001-rf900-norm.jpg ---Kirk Roy wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Danny Thompson wrote: > > Does anyone know where I might be able to see a picture of the > > Suzuki RF 900? > > There's a review/comparison with the previous generation VFR at motorcycle > online... > > Kirk > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:58:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24433 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA24262 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09699 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10702 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id OAA11423 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6FBD.08CAC0C0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Passport Application -- No MC content Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I managed to locate the web site with the passport application forms, but where in the Reston/Herndon area can I go to submit the application in person? Someone told me the mail facility on RT. 28 does this, does anyone know for sure? TIA. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:17:34 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24829 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA26620 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01585 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8P0045IEYN6K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:17:51 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:56 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: DC Cycles Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B76A0@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain Ding dong the thread is dead, the thread is dead...... - means we (Dale and I ) can converse sweetly to each other again - been avoiding this because of our differing opinions. Next martial strife due - September 16, 1999. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:42 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > Where's the hypocrosy, Todd? > > > > By not joining or otherwise supporting the AMA and ABATE and groups > > > advocating riders rights, you are part of the problem you fear most. > > > > Maybe, but look at how divided our little List is becoming on this > > issue. Why should I support the AMA/ABATE if I truly do not believe > > they are doing the right thing regarding helmet laws? > > I understand your position Dale, but standing by and speculating based on > previous events is still just standing by. > > The hypocrisy I was pointing too was that you are against one of the only > organizations willing to champion your rights as a rider, regardless of > whether you believe wearing a helmet or not is a right (it is). But you > insist that if they fight helmet laws all the other things you fear will > happen, will happen. You have no proof one way or the other that they > will > happen, so why don't you stand behind the AMA and groups like them in the > off chance that by doing so will turn out, you know, "for the greater > good". > > Ok, we're spinning wheels now. If there are no other ideas, opinions, > facts > or otherwise, I suggest we put this little flaming gem away for another 6 > months, or until Virginia repeals its Big Brotherly Love laws. By then > the > list will have become boring again and we can argue outloud again, like > the > low-life biker scum we are. :) > > Todd > (Live and let Live, > Live and let Die, > Live free or Die) > > - excerpted from 'The essence of liberty', by David F. Nolan > "....You own your own body and mind; no external power has the right to > force you into the service of "society" or "mankind" or any other > individual > group for any purpose, however noble. Slavery is wrong, period. > Because you own yourself, you are responsible for your own > well-being. > Others are not obligated to feed you, clothe you, or provide you with > health > care....." From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:33:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25082 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA28158 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10130 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11393 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA27383; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:31:29 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA24818; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:31:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:31:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: Mike Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990316144440.02488580@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Personally, I would rather read Todd and Dale's endless posts. I rode my bike into work today and almost got squished. I indicated to the driver of the car that almost squished me that he was very very naughty. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:45:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25336 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA28980 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A27DF4A00C6; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:43:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316154916.01805f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:51:52 -0500 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B76A0@emss09m05.ems.lmc o.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:15 PM 3/16/99 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: >Ding dong the thread is dead, the thread is dead...... > > - means we (Dale and I ) can converse sweetly to each other again - been >avoiding this because of our differing opinions. Next martial strife due - >September 16, 1999. What? Who WAS that masked woman? Chris Norloff P.S. The next scheduled Recurring Thread will be about which state has the absolutely dumbest drivers. Please do not start this thread until it is announced by the Recurring Thread Committee. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:52:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25453 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA29333 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10607 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA11960 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3F1483700CC; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:49:53 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316155714.01806200@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:58:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990316144440.02488580@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:31 PM 3/16/99 , Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > Personally, I would rather read Todd and Dale's endless >posts. > I rode my bike into work today and almost got squished. >I indicated to the driver of the car that almost squished me >that he was very very naughty. So did he indicate how many digits his IQ is? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:53:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25474 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA29424 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10621 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11979 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29337 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A24349500D0; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:42:43 EST Message-ID: <36EEC41D.6A320B16@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:50:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another helmet law rant. References: <000101be6fe5$8dabe800$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :) Get in line! :) Dale Todd Peer wrote: > Had you not been wearing a helmet, I would have considered you brain > dead anyway. > > ;) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:54:19 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25491 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA29485 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A2C9282011C; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:44:57 EST Message-ID: <36EEC4A9.C99971AD@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:52:57 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <000001be6fe5$1c9e1a70$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Ok, we're spinning wheels now. If there are no other ideas, opinions, > facts or otherwise, I suggest we put this little flaming gem away for > another 6 months, or until Virginia repeals its Big Brotherly Love > laws. By then the list will have become boring again and we can > argue outloud again, like the low-life biker scum we are. :) Yep, we are agreeing to disagree. I'm done with this thread, too. Ride Safe, Crashing Sucks! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:00:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25679 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA00180 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10751 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12218 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00699 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8P007JTGW31K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:59:31 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:57:36 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B76A3@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain But, with your helmet on did he see you make that face and stick your tongue out - :) No flames - that's reserved for Dale alone - > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh A. Caldwell [SMTP:Turnip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 3:31 PM > To: Mike Troutman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) > > > Personally, I would rather read Todd and Dale's endless > posts. > I rode my bike into work today and almost got squished. > I indicated to the driver of the car that almost squished me > that he was very very naughty. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:08:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25794 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA00739 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10868 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12508 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA27717; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:02:19 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990316210525.UEZX7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:05:25 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike Troutman" , Subject: RE: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:03:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be6ff0$79e0c380$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990316144440.02488580@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Hey Mike, Your subject implies that the contents of your message should end all this Helmet Law discussion. You trying to stifle us man! Thanks for the post. Todd Mike Troutman wrote (plagerized/copied/etc.) .... > What does all of this mean? It means that telling us what to think > has evolved into telling us what to say, so telling us what to do > can't be > far behind. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:08:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25796 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA00737 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10869 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12509 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA30362; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:02:20 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990316210526.UFAD7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:05:26 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Passport Application -- No MC content Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:03:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be6ff0$7a705950$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I think all main post office branches provide this service. You need to bring your own photos though. Call them. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:55 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Passport Application -- No MC content > > > I managed to locate the web site with the passport application forms, > but where in the Reston/Herndon area can I go to submit the application > in person? Someone told me the mail facility on RT. 28 does this, does > anyone know for sure? TIA. > > John > 98 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:10:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25843 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA00849 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10891 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12570 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQggvk16739; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256736.0073F9E1 ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:06:46 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" cc: Mike Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256736.0073F8C7.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:59:28 -0500 Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok, how exactly did you let him know he was naughty? Sounds interesting... ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Hugh A. Caldwell" on 03/16/99 03:31:28 PM To: Mike Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) Personally, I would rather read Todd and Dale's endless posts. I rode my bike into work today and almost got squished. I indicated to the driver of the car that almost squished me that he was very very naughty. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:12:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25907 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA01127 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10920 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA12614 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA21008 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:30 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:30 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For your commuting pleasure Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This just in: Dear ENN Breaking News Subscribers, A man is threatening to kill himself on I-495 at the American Legion bridge. Details are sketchy, but reports and video from the scene show that traffic is heavily backed up on both sides of road. There is a heavy police presence on the scene. Reports just coming into the newsroom say the traffic is backed up from the bridge all the way to the Dulles toll road. Traffic may be extremely heavy for hours as this situation develops, so you may want to make alternate plans. -------------------------------------------------- Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:20:07 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26076 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:20:05 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA01641 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA03995; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:16:40 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018536; Tue, 16 Mar 99 15:50:45 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8P00GR1GLUBI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.00723361 ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:47:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:47:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Passport Application -- No MC content To: "Carver, John" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256736.0071F07E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL John, You submit passports at the US Post Office Branches. An added "luxury" of living in DC is that you could take it straight to the State Department, but they won't process it any faster unless you have already-purchased tickets in hand. --chris To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: "Carver, John" Date: 03/16/99 07:55:28 PM GMT Subject: Passport Application -- No MC content I managed to locate the web site with the passport application forms, but where in the Reston/Herndon area can I go to submit the application in person? Someone told me the mail facility on RT. 28 does this, does anyone know for sure? TIA. John 98 VFR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:24:52 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26118 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA02029 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA27595; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:18:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990316161420.008d4850@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:14:20 -0500 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: WERA Racers???? In-Reply-To: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10588B9@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:25 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >David, Steve?? Bueler?? > Sorry dude, Chris Pyles & I checked the weather channel, saw that the gods did not favor the trip, and bailed. I got drunk instead. BTW your fork springs are at Rich's. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:28:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26228 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA02220 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11278 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13372 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 516; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:25 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990316162318.01a5b2d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:23 -0500 To: "Todd Peer" , "Carver, John" , From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Passport Application -- No MC content In-Reply-To: <000301be6ff0$7a705950$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:03 PM 3/16/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >I think all main post office branches provide this service. You need to >bring your own photos though. Call them. > >Todd > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:55 PM >> To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: Passport Application -- No MC content >> >> >> I managed to locate the web site with the passport application forms, >> but where in the Reston/Herndon area can I go to submit the application >> in person? Someone told me the mail facility on RT. 28 does this, does >> anyone know for sure? TIA. It just so happens that our company is requesting my team go get passports taken care of. The post office in McLean is apparently very fast, since it handles most of the CIA passports ;-) 123 & Elm Street Bring CASH or Money Order! ___________________________________________ “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:43:14 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26506 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA03156 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:41:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316214349.24199.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.103] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:43:49 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: For your commuting pleasure To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just shoot the son of a bitch off of there so traffic can proceed. He wants to die, so what's the problem? ---"Jordan, Michael" wrote: > > This just in: > > Dear ENN Breaking News Subscribers, > > > A man is threatening to kill himself on I-495 at the > American Legion bridge. > > Details are sketchy, but reports and video from the scene > show that traffic is heavily backed up on both sides of > road. There is a heavy police presence on the scene. > > Reports just coming into the newsroom say the traffic is > backed up from the bridge all the way to the Dulles toll > road. > > Traffic may be extremely heavy for hours as this situation > develops, so you may want to make alternate plans. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:48:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26603 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA03709 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11594 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA14770 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA28695 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:45:59 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:45:59 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Americal Legion Bridge update Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:45:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear ENN- Breaking News Subscriber, The man threatening to kill himself on the American Legion Bridge on I-495 has been captured by police. The situation is defusing as police work to get the roadway cleared as quickly as possible. Traffic on the inner loop of the Beltway is still backed up all the way to Tyson's Corner, but should be improving now that the situation has been resolved. Lanes are starting to move and the two lanes previously blocked are in the process of being cleared. Tune in to NEWS7 at 5 for the full story on today's bridge drama. -------------------------------------------------- Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:54:19 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26725 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:54:16 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA04085 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA26946; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:54:08 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma011868; Tue, 16 Mar 99 16:29:09 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8P0013WIDS6A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0075B73D ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:33 -0500 Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: Chris Norloff Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <85256736.007572EA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Damn! I was hoping for a good 'ol synthetic vs. dino oil debate. --chris To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , DC Cycles cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Chris Norloff Date: 03/16/99 08:51:52 PM GMT Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. --snip-- P.S. The next scheduled Recurring Thread will be about which state has the absolutely dumbest drivers. Please do not start this thread until it is announced by the Recurring Thread Committee. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:56:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26758 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA04557 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11726 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from bmdo.mcri.com ([207.124.52.19]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15137 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from My ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA29117 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:55:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199903162255.RAA29117@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:53:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: For your commuting pleasure (another wacko) Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Someone here at work who was watching the news told me the guy just stopped his car, got out in the middle of the road, and began threatening himself with a knife. Yes, I did say knife. ( how this is possible, I am not entirely sure....) -John Newman 88 FZR 400 From: "Jordan, Michael" Dear ENN Breaking News Subscribers, A man is threatening to kill himself on I-495 at the American Legion bridge. Details are sketchy, but reports and video from the scene show that traffic is heavily backed up on both sides of road. There is a heavy police presence on the scene. Reports just coming into the newsroom say the traffic is backed up from the bridge all the way to the Dulles toll road. Traffic may be extremely heavy for hours as this situation develops, so you may want to make alternate plans. -------------------------------------------------- Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:58:02 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26840 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA04628 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 511; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:56:17 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990316165533.01ef09e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:56:15 -0500 To: Ray , DCCycles List From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: For your commuting pleasure In-Reply-To: <19990316214349.24199.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 04:43 PM 3/16/99 , Ray wrote: >Just shoot the son of a bitch off of there so traffic can proceed. He >wants to die, so what's the problem? This just in : They say the man =96 who is 30 years old =96 was threatening to do harm to himself; he was carrying a knife and had a cell phone with him. They say he got out of his car on the bridge and was ranting and raving into the phone. After about an hour police were able to safely apprehend him. The inner loop of I-495 experienced slow traffic movement as a result. he bridge had two right lanes closed, but traffic is getting through. The outer loop is open and moving. Tune to News4 for the latest information. ___________________________________________ =93Too bad the only people who know how to run the country=20 are busy cutting hair and driving cabs=94 - George Burns Mike Troutman=20 http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 17:20:03 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27214 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA05989 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA04615; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:15:25 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA17443; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:15:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A nice ERC experience In-Reply-To: <001201be6f5e$d95221c0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just signed up for the course also. Did you take the basic course? I haven't and even though I've been riding for 15 years I was wondering where I might pick up some of the training materials. The basic course is full till July btw. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 17:27:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27357 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA06446 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12181 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA16582 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:57 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA16688; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:26:40 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002237; Tue, 16 Mar 99 17:02:05 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8P005BEJW6KL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0078B407 ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:58:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:53:59 -0500 Subject: Re: For your commuting pleasure To: "Jordan, Michael" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256736.00786927.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL This just in also: Man on Bridge Ties up Traffic A 30 year-old Virginia man was captured by police after he threatened to do harm to himself while standing near the edge of the American Legion Bridge on I-495. The man had a knife as well as a cell phone. Police first got him to put down the knife, then asked him to get into his car. At that point they rushed the car, secured the man and arrested him. The two lanes that were shut during the situation are now back open. Traffic is still backed up but is moving on both sides. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: "Jordan, Michael" Date: 03/16/99 09:09:20 PM GMT Subject: For your commuting pleasure This just in: Dear ENN Breaking News Subscribers, A man is threatening to kill himself on I-495 at the American Legion bridge. Details are sketchy, but reports and video from the scene show that traffic is heavily backed up on both sides of road. There is a heavy police presence on the scene. Reports just coming into the newsroom say the traffic is backed up from the bridge all the way to the Dulles toll road. Traffic may be extremely heavy for hours as this situation develops, so you may want to make alternate plans. -------------------------------------------------- Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 17:53:07 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27859 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA07937 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm5-6.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.77]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09497 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: <002201be6fff$897d81c0$4d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Laverda Motorcycles in USA Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE6FD1.CF6C93C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE6FD1.CF6C93C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just happened to run across this -- =20 LAVERDA Motorcycles Set for Comeback in New York; Redline Motorsports Named Exclusive Manhattan Dealer =20 NEW YORK, March 16 /PRNewswire/ -- Never say never says Motor = Laverda USA as the Italy's leading motorcycle manufacturer announces = today the reintroduction of LAVERDA motorcycles to the United States. = The company also announced today that Redline Motorsports will serve as = the exclusive Manhattan based dealer of the new line. The LAVERDA lineup has not been available to the US marketplace = since 1983. LAVERDA's rich history in road racing throughout Europe = helped the company gain prominence in the 1970's and early 80's, as it = was the leading builder of reliable, fast motorcycles. In 1976, LAVERDA = built what was the fastest production motorcycle in the world, the = legendary JOTA 1000 three cylinder. "The 1999 LAVERDA lineup continues the company's tradition of = producing high quality, hand-built Italian sport motorcycles with an = emphasis on unparalleled handling," says Chuck Bonis at Redline = Motorsports. "We are pleased to be named the exclusive dealer for = Manhattan as we expect the current motor cycling trend in New York City = to continue to escalate in 1999." All new LAVERDAS meet all EPA and D.O.T. requirements. In addition, = LAVERDAS current lineup of modem 750 twins features a fuel injected, = liquid cooled, multi valve powerplant that matches impressive horsepower = with some of the best brakes, suspension, and chassis components = available. The following are the pricing for the 1999 LAVERDA models: =20 1999 Laverda 750 S Half Fairing $9,995.00 1999 Laverda 750 S Full Fairing $10,795.00 1999 Laverda 750 S Formula $12,995.00 1999 Laverda 750 Ghost Strike $9,795.00 Dealer and general information is available from: =20 Motor Laverda USA, Inc Redline Motorsports 8989 Monroe Road 131 West 26th Street Houston, TX 77061 New York, NY 10001 713-943-2288 212-645-0005 fax 713-943-8894 fax 212-691-6838 www.motolaverda.com www.redlinemotor.com =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Welcome from a Japanese bike made in the U.S. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE6FD1.CF6C93C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just happened to run = across this=20 --
 
          &nbs= p;  =20 LAVERDA Motorcycles Set for Comeback in New=20 York;
          &nbs= p; =20 Redline Motorsports Named Exclusive Manhattan Dealer
 
    NEW = YORK, March 16=20 /PRNewswire/ -- Never say never says Motor Laverda USA as the Italy's = leading=20 motorcycle manufacturer announces today the reintroduction of LAVERDA=20 motorcycles to the United States. The company also announced today that = Redline=20 Motorsports will serve as the exclusive Manhattan based dealer of the = new=20 line.
    The LAVERDA lineup has not been available to = the US=20 marketplace since 1983.  LAVERDA's rich history in road racing = throughout=20 Europe helped the company gain prominence in the 1970's and early 80's, = as it=20 was the leading builder of reliable, fast motorcycles.  In 1976, = LAVERDA=20 built what was the fastest production motorcycle in the world, the = legendary=20 JOTA 1000 three cylinder.
    "The 1999 LAVERDA = lineup=20 continues the company's tradition of producing high quality, hand-built = Italian=20 sport motorcycles with an emphasis on unparalleled handling," says = Chuck=20 Bonis at Redline Motorsports.  "We are pleased to be named the = exclusive dealer for Manhattan as we expect the current motor cycling = trend in=20 New York City to continue to escalate in = 1999."
    All=20 new LAVERDAS meet all EPA and D.O.T. requirements.  In addition, = LAVERDAS=20 current lineup of modem 750 twins features a fuel injected, liquid = cooled, multi=20 valve powerplant that matches impressive horsepower with some of the = best=20 brakes, suspension, and chassis components = available.
    The=20 following are the pricing for the 1999 LAVERDA models:
 
    1999 = Laverda 750 S=20 Half Fairing         =20 $9,995.00
    1999 Laverda 750 S Full=20 Fairing         =20 $10,795.00
    1999 Laverda 750 S=20 Formula           =    =20 $12,995.00
    1999 Laverda 750 Ghost=20 Strike            = $9,795.00
 
    = Dealer and general=20 information is available from:
 
    = Motor Laverda USA,=20 Inc           &nbs= p; =20 Redline Motorsports
    8989 Monroe=20 Road           &nb= sp;       =20 131 West 26th Street
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Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Welcome from a Japanese bike made in the U.S.
Join the AMA.  = Help=20 protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE6FD1.CF6C93C0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 19:56:17 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00430 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA15450 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-87-202.s202.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.87.202]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA26968 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:58:27 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:55:10 -0500 Message-ID: <008101be7010$cee8bf20$4857accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Brian, I'm so happy you survived pretty well. Did you actually ride the mangled bike home with a broken wrist?? Are the police interested in getting the sleaze? Or have the given up because of the lack in info? Chin up. You'll heal and the bike will be fixed. Good Luck, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ - McCoy, Brian said piteously: And another round of 'Kissing Pavement' has been played over the weekend. This Contestant? One Mr. Brian McCoy on an 87 VFR700 FII. The scene is set.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 20:18:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00919 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA16660 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14501 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.troutman.org (209-122-199-200.s454.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.199.200]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA20266 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by gecko.troutman.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00431 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:15:30 -0500 Received: from iguana(172.16.50.1) by gecko via smap (V2.1) id xma000429; Tue, 16 Mar 99 20:15:18 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990316201259.048271b0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:15:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Sweet! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Went by Manassas Honda to pick up a new battery for the Nighthawk, and they had a sweet selection of FirstGear jackets. Wound up buying Kenya ( short Kilimonjaro ) for about $240 after my MSF 10% discount. Just popped in the new battery after 45 mins of charging, and it SPRANG to life like it never had before. So - I am now armed for any cold riding days that are left....it was kind of embarrasing pop-starting the bike for a week or so..... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 23:08:26 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01076 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA25304 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:08:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:04:27 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:05:15 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01be702b$5cb011e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <001101be6fc5$6e8c6e10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Yup, 'onerous' is a subjective term. But given that I'm a member of the AMA, I have the right to put in my 2 cents about how they spend my money;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 23:46:10 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01826 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-29.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.70]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20185 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:46:04 -0500 Message-ID: <029a01be7031$08976300$4d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: A nice ERC experience Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:45:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Hugh -- My recollection of the ERC course is lots of written notes inside and mental notes outside, the idea being to refresh and adjust a working riding technique -- this at a level above the RSS beginner course. War stories, rough edges smoothed, MSF concepts reinstilled, topnotch instructors used to dealing with all levels and types of experience. An open, inquiring mind ready for responsible riding will be a major asset. There are no grades or rankings, as I recall. If you want to prebook, in my ERC there was an Experienced RiderCourse Particpant's Handbook (46pgs.) In my first course there was the Motorcycle RiderCourse Riding and Street Skills (RSS) Student Workbook (50pgs). And there is the Motorcycling Excellence book (bigger, on shelves at 24.95). 1-800-447-4700 is an MSF number from the past: They should be able to help you procure the pubs. But the ERC class info and range work are both parallel to the books, which seem not absolutely necessary to getting your money's worth from the day. Prepped or not I'd bet on the ERC being an enjoyable and confidence-building boost for any dedicated biker. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Not literate yet though ready to swerve Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Hugh A. Caldwell > > I just signed up for the course also. Did you take the >basic course? I haven't and even though I've been riding for 15 >years I was wondering where I might pick up some of the training >materials. The basic course is full till July btw. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 00:10:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02194 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18155 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA24090 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:06:28 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Brake checking product Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:07:17 -0500 Message-ID: <006001be7034$072925a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Saw this nifty product in a 4x4 mag. They're these test strips (same size/shape as those used to check urine for ketones, blood, protein, etc. in a doctor's office) but these check for water. So what, right? Well, they change color based on the percent of water in your brake fluid (DOT 3 or 4, they say) I haven't used it, but thought some on the list might be interested. It's made by Wagner Brake products and is called 'Wet Check'. No price listed. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 06:14:56 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09524 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-48.s48.as1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.48]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA11522 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:14:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01be7067$3c982960$304daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Membership Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:13:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE703D.52387420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE703D.52387420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all bikers on the net. My names Brian and I've been on your list = server for about 2 months. I have also sent all personal info to the = roster page. Is there anything else I need to do to become a new member? = It was a nice surprise when Jon from the FZR600 Archives mentioned there = was a local club that catered to any & all motorcycles. Can't wait to = meet and ride with all of you.=20 See ya on the pavement soon. Brian N.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE703D.52387420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all bikers on the net. My names Brian and I've = been on=20 your list server for about 2 months. I have also sent all personal info = to the=20 roster page. Is there anything else I need to do to become a new member? =
 
It was a nice surprise when Jon from the FZR600 = Archives=20 mentioned there was a local club that catered to any & all = motorcycles.=20 Can't wait to meet and ride with all of you. 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE703D.52387420-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 09:46:58 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00269 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27415 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-29 #34393) with ESMTP id <0F8Q00AKKU9BNG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:44:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA07651; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:02:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990317140203.IQBQ5455@toddnt>; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:02:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:00:21 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Membership In-reply-to: <000b01be7067$3c982960$304daccf@brn626> To: Brian N , dc-cycles Message-id: <000901be707e$7f4f82a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal See ya on the pavement soon. Brian N. Hope you meant something else entirely. Welcome Brian. You just missed our recent spring cleansing helmet Law debate though. Oh well. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 09:51:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00414 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27436 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24304 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00758 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06948 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26405 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:32:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990317092856.008cfa80@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:28:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Americal Legion Bridge update In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:45 PM 3/16/99 -0800, you wrote: > > >Dear ENN- Breaking News Subscriber, > >The man threatening to kill himself on the American Legion I drove by this in my car as it was happening. If I knew what was going on I would have rolled down the window & yelled at him to do it. (Steve, who got fucked the last time some dude went postal on a area bridge & is bitter about it) S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 09:51:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00416 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27438 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24267 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00676 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:29:37 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA16218; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:31:20 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma009969; Wed, 17 Mar 99 09:20:04 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8Q00IUAT6OJ5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256737.004E6FC3 ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:16:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:12:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Sweet! To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256737.004E2D7D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I bought the same model jacket at Manassas Honda late last year. I think you'll like it. I got mine for about the same price, so they might have neglected to give you the MSF discount. (I bought mine before I took the MSF:RSS) I've also done my good deed for the day for my bike and changed the oil myself for the first time. It turned out to be pretty easy, though messy. Next time I do it, I'll try to refine (no pun intended) my technique so I don't get oil all over my hands and the ground. Anyone know the proper method to dispose of the old oil? I assume I can just take it to a gas station. Chris Weaver Mike Troutman wrote: Went by Manassas Honda to pick up a new battery for the Nighthawk, and they had a sweet selection of FirstGear jackets. Wound up buying Kenya ( short Kilimonjaro ) for about $240 after my MSF 10% discount. Just popped in the new battery after 45 mins of charging, and it SPRANG to life like it never had before. So - I am now armed for any cold riding days that are left....it was kind of embarrasing pop-starting the bike for a week or so..... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 09:51:28 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00436 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA21318 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6171FD0276; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:47 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990317075706.017e80a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:58:13 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <85256736.007572E3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... oops, wrong thread. wrong decade even. hmmm ... Chris Norloff At 04:25 PM 3/16/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Damn! > >I was hoping for a good 'ol synthetic vs. dino oil debate. > >--chris > > >To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , DC Cycles > >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: Chris Norloff >Date: 03/16/99 08:51:52 PM GMT >Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > > >--snip-- >P.S. The next scheduled Recurring Thread will be about which state has the >absolutely dumbest drivers. Please do not start this thread until it is >announced by the Recurring Thread Committee. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 09:51:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00438 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA21649 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA22987 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA29196 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6191FD0276; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:49 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990317080049.018165f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:02:55 -0500 To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Brake checking product In-Reply-To: <006001be7034$072925a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:07 AM 3/17/99 , George Howell wrote: >Saw this nifty product in a 4x4 mag. They're these test strips (same >size/shape as those used to check urine for ketones, blood, protein, etc. in >a doctor's office) but these check for water. So what, right? Well, they >change color based on the percent of water in your brake fluid (DOT 3 or 4, >they say) > >I haven't used it, but thought some on the list might be interested. It's >made by Wagner Brake products and is called 'Wet Check'. No price listed. Sounds like a good idea, but one that doesn't really have a great need. You can check only the master cylinder fluid this way (not the wheel cylinder). Changing the brake fluid at the manufacturer's recommended interval (probably every year or two) is probably still the best way to deal with the water-in-the-brake-fluid problem. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 09:51:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00440 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA21643 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA22981 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA29190 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6161FD0276; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:46 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990317075115.017e84b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:51:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B76A3@emss09m05.ems.lmc o.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's one of the advantage of riding with mittens. You can flip people off and they don't get mad. Chris Norloff At 03:57 PM 3/16/99 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: >But, with your helmet on did he see you make that face and stick your tongue >out - :) No flames - that's reserved for Dale alone - > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hugh A. Caldwell [SMTP:Turnip@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 3:31 PM >> To: Mike Troutman >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) >> >> >> Personally, I would rather read Todd and Dale's endless >> posts. >> I rode my bike into work today and almost got squished. >> I indicated to the driver of the car that almost squished me >> that he was very very naughty. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 09:51:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00444 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA21646 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA22984 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA29193 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6181FD0276; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:48 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990317075856.01812510@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:59:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: For your commuting pleasure (another wacko) In-Reply-To: <199903162255.RAA29117@bmdo.mcri.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ha ha ha! "Don't ANYBODY move or the idiot gets it!" Chris Norloff At 11:53 AM 3/16/99 , John Newman wrote: >Someone here at work who was watching the news told me the >guy just stopped his car, got out in the middle of the road, and >began threatening himself with a knife. Yes, I did say knife. ( how >this is possible, I am not entirely sure....) > >-John Newman >88 FZR 400 > > >From: "Jordan, Michael" >Dear ENN Breaking News Subscribers, > >A man is threatening to kill himself on I-495 at the >American Legion bridge. > >Details are sketchy, but reports and video from the scene >show that traffic is heavily backed up on both sides of >road. There is a heavy police presence on the scene. > >Reports just coming into the newsroom say the traffic is >backed up from the bridge all the way to the Dulles toll >road. > >Traffic may be extremely heavy for hours as this situation >develops, so you may want to make alternate plans. > > >-------------------------------------------------- > Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 09:51:36 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00453 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA18746 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust046.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.46]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA05959; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:48:53 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990316233100.006a346c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:31:00 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Cc: George Howell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <36EEAEFF.F5979084@tidalwave.net> References: <85256736.00576BB8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Read that again Dale. Do you really believe this? The first word seems reasonable, after that I can't agree with any of it. Leon. At 02:20 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Them: "Look, Son, we are gonna let you ride this nice shiny >motosickle anwhere you want, anytime you want, more or less as fast as >you want, with anybody you want. All you gotta do is wear this here >helmet." From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 09:51:39 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00457 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA19248 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:00:45 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:00:43 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Brian, I'm so happy you survived pretty well. Did you > actually ride the > mangled bike home with a broken wrist?? Yes, I guess I did.. funny what adrenaline will do for a body. I only thought I'd jammed my wrist.. no thought that I could have broken it.. sheesh.. > > Are the police interested in getting the sleaze? Or have the given up > because of the lack in info? They didn't give to positive of an attitude about finding the person... so I've written it off as a loss. It happened on a Saturday, so the 'normal traffic patterns' thing won't work (for finding him).. ok, well, I guess it could, but I don't have any desire to sit around and try to scan a car for miniscule traces of damage that may not even exist. *shrug* Time to just sit back and try to heal. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 09:59:09 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00728 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:58:37 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Membership Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:58:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > > See ya on the pavement soon. Brian N. > > Hope you meant something else entirely. Welcome Brian. > You just missed > our recent spring cleansing helmet Law debate though. Oh well. up.. but it's so old and rehassed, I deleted every last one of them. Heh.. I'm bad. Oh, and I don't really want to be on the pavement again anytime soon.. gonna take me 2+ months to heal from this last time. Ugh Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:05:05 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00900 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id KAA26535; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:04:53 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA03422; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:04:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:04:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Membership In-Reply-To: <000b01be7067$3c982960$304daccf@brn626> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's customary to buy everyone in the "club" their favorite beverage, wash all the bikes, and oh yeah I need new tires for my ZR and a high right slip-on fom my VFR. That should about do it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Brian N wrote: > Hello all bikers on the net. My names Brian and I've been on your list server for about 2 months. I have also sent all personal info to the roster page. Is there anything else I need to do to become a new member? > > It was a nice surprise when Jon from the FZR600 Archives mentioned there was a local club that catered to any & all motorcycles. Can't wait to meet and ride with all of you. > > See ya on the pavement soon. Brian N. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:10:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00984 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24934 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01668 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id KAA04763 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture(38.241.229.100) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma004761; Wed, 17 Mar 99 10:09:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990317100759.01f9a4b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:09:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Troutman Subject: Buffett (NON-MC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm gathering people for the upcoming buffett concert. My roomie works for Protix. If you are interested in sitting with my group, I can get the seats secured before they go on sale. Do not reply to the list, reply to me if interested. http://www.protix.com/ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:15:18 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01161 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:15:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990317151837.8618.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web308.yahoomail.com; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:18:37 PST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:18:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Membership To: Brian N , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Note 1: Turn off html mail settings.. ick Note 2: Welcome Note 3: Don't listen to Hugh, no need to buy us all a beverage or him a set of tires ;-) All you REALLY have to do is send a big fat sponsorship check to your favorite racer on the list...There's about 6 or 7 of us on the list :) Just kidding of course... welcome to the list... Collin ---Brian N wrote: > > Hello all bikers on the net. My names Brian and I've been on your list server for about 2 months. I have also sent all personal info to the roster page. Is there anything else I need to do to become a new member? > > It was a nice surprise when Jon from the FZR600 Archives mentioned there was a local club that catered to any & all motorcycles. Can't wait to meet and ride with all of you. > > See ya on the pavement soon. Brian N. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:17:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01192 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25068 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01971 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22090; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8Q00NYKVT49B@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:19:20 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:17:25 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B76A7@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 7:58 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... > > oops, wrong thread. wrong decade even. hmmm ... > > Chris Norloff > > > At 04:25 PM 3/16/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > >Damn! > > > >I was hoping for a good 'ol synthetic vs. dino oil debate. > > > >--chris > > > > > >To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , DC Cycles > > > >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) > >From: Chris Norloff > >Date: 03/16/99 08:51:52 PM GMT > >Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > > > > > > > >--snip-- > >P.S. The next scheduled Recurring Thread will be about which state has > the > >absolutely dumbest drivers. Please do not start this thread until it is > >announced by the Recurring Thread Committee. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:24:02 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01308 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:24:01 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2DKa023218 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:16:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9d9ad263.36efc74a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:16:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Problems with Triumphs? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 My friend (who is local) has a Triumph Daytona that recently went into the shop for its 6,000 mile service. Unfortunately the dealer couldn't start the bike after the service was complete - which, according to the dealer, has happened previously on two other Triumphs. Again according to the dealer, the bikes have to be returned to the manufacturer (yikes!!), and in the two previous instances Triumph has replaced the bike (double yikes!!). Anybody heard of this? -matt From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:27:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01420 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25224 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02371 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA20191 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:27:22 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:27:22 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:27:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... >Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. Jane Curtin (as spoken by Dan Ackroyd (Early SNL, as I recall) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:29:10 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01440 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 17 Mar 1999 15:29:05 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05758 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:29:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:29:02 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B76A7@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 7:58 AM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > > JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... > > Er.. did dale not tell you about jane? Dale.. you need to come clean.. or I'll do it for you. No seriously, that was an old SNL skit. Dan akroyd would yell at this chick (her name eludes me) and say "JANE YOU IGNORANT SLUT!" It was quite funny. You still see people use it, much to the shocked horror of other people who have never heard the SNL joke. Then comes the inevitable explanation. Much like we have here :) obmoto: Holy freaking hell, NICE WEATHER! I wonder how long this will hold out. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:29:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01442 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25261 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02418 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.56.253] (207-172-56-253.s253.tnt12.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.56.253]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13677 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:29:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903171529.KAA13677@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:29:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: "'DC Cycles'" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Now I feel old, I'm gonna get some chips ana a coke, no coke pepsi... -charles ---------- >From: "Horstman, Tracy L" >To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'DC Cycles'" >Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. >Date: Wed, Mar 17, 1999, 10:17 AM > >Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 7:58 AM >> To: DC Cycles >> Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. >> >> JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... >> >> oops, wrong thread. wrong decade even. hmmm ... >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> At 04:25 PM 3/16/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >> >Damn! >> > >> >I was hoping for a good 'ol synthetic vs. dino oil debate. >> > >> >--chris >> > >> > >> >To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , DC Cycles >> > >> >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >> >From: Chris Norloff >> >Date: 03/16/99 08:51:52 PM GMT >> >Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >--snip-- >> >P.S. The next scheduled Recurring Thread will be about which state has >> the >> >absolutely dumbest drivers. Please do not start this thread until it is >> >announced by the Recurring Thread Committee. >> > >> > >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:30:57 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01532 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA12408 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:33:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:33:04 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: "'dc'" Subject: shops In-Reply-To: <19990317151837.8618.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't know if this been covered on the list before (while I'm almost certain it has), but I was wondering if there was a data base of any sort of the non-dealer motorcycle shops in the area, as well as comments and feelings about these same shops. Currently I go to Crossroads Cycle in Baileys Crossroads, which I consider a pretty good shop, especially after the number(s) that City Cycles did on my bike before going under. Anyway, looking forward to contributions... Erik ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:34:19 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01567 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA01485 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA23433 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:33:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903171533.KAA23433@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:36:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Summit races this weekend Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Anyone riding out to the races this weekend? I want to go and do some cornerwork, but I have never been and thought if a group was going, I could join in. I live in Warrenton, but could meet anywhere along the way. Assuming the weather cooperates, I will be riding. Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:36:32 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (www0e.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01654 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5425 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 1999 15:36:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19990317153604.5422.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.34 by www0e via web-mailer(M3.0.0.20) on Wed Mar 17 15:36:03 GMT 1999 Date: 17 Mar 99 10:36:03 EST From: Linda Tanner To: dc X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.20) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Jordan said: >> JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... >Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. Jane Curtin (as spoken by Dan Ackroyd (Early SNL, as I recall) I forget sometimes, we have so many young'uns on the list. Dale was prob= ably <6 y.o. when this started. Ack!! LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:39:50 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01665 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA01954 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22578 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:42:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903171542.KAA22578@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:41:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: poker run? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Forgive the ignorance, but what is a "poker run"? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:42:19 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01790 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:38:10 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: and now for something amended.. ;) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:38:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) At least the next 6 weeks.. you know, injur yourself and the weather turns beautiful as if to mock me.. Joy.. > > obmoto: > Holy freaking hell, NICE WEATHER! I wonder how long this will hold > out. > > Alex. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:42:55 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01801 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:42:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990317154741.23434.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web307.yahoomail.com; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:47:41 PST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:47:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: shops To: Erik Schelzig , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've heard good things about Crossroads, although they did hose up balancing a tire they mounted for me... Also, (particularly if you are performance oriented), Fast Lane Cycles in chantilly is very good as well. I'd recommend them even if they weren't one of my sponsors...Good prices, knowledgeable mechanics, good selection, etc. etc. tell them Collin Sent you... Collin ---Erik Schelzig wrote: > > > Don't know if this been covered on the list before (while I'm almost > certain it has), but I was wondering if there was a data base of any sort > of the non-dealer motorcycle shops in the area, as well as comments and > feelings about these same shops. Currently I go to Crossroads Cycle in > Baileys Crossroads, which I consider a pretty good shop, especially after > the number(s) that City Cycles did on my bike before going under. Anyway, > looking forward to contributions... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:47:51 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01914 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA02756 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA00194 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:46:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903171546.KAA00194@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:48:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Jane.. Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990317153604.5422.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) You guys sure know how to make someone feel old, I guess I better go jump on my viffer and get over it...:) yeehiiiiii! Date sent: 17 Mar 99 10:36:03 EST From: Linda Tanner To: dc > Michael Jordan said: > >> JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... > > >Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. > > Jane Curtin (as spoken by Dan Ackroyd (Early SNL, as I recall) > > I forget sometimes, we have so many young'uns on the list. Dale was > probably <6 y.o. when this started. > > Ack!! > > > > > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at > http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail Danny '99 VFR '93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:48:18 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01953 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03640 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:48:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:48:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: shops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Erik Schelzig wrote: > Don't know if this been covered on the list before (while I'm almost > certain it has), but I was wondering if there was a data base of any sort > of the non-dealer motorcycle shops in the area, as well as comments and > feelings about these same shops. There is no database I'm aware of but I can give thumbs up to both The Dirt Shop in College Park and Cycle Accessories Discounters in Gaithersburg. Both have decent prices (with CAD perhaps being more willing to go low and giving more racer support), decent mechanics, and decent people behind the counter (with Dave being the preferred person behind the counter at CAD). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:48:26 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01959 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:44:19 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Summit races this weekend Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:43:43 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Anyone riding out to the races this weekend? I want to go and do > some cornerwork, but I have never been and thought if a group was > going, I could join in. I live in Warrenton, but could meet anywhere > along the way. Assuming the weather cooperates, I will be riding. Depending on how I feel, and if someone wants to chofure me.. I might be there.. look for the gimp w/ cast on the left hand, and right arm in sling... Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:48:29 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01965 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:45:54 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:45:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Michael Jordan said: > >> JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... > > >Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. > > Jane Curtin (as spoken by Dan Ackroyd (Early SNL, as I recall) > > I forget sometimes, we have so many young'uns on the list. > Dale was probably > <6 y.o. when this started. Could be worse.. the only good SNL I've ever seen have all be re-runs.. how's that for being a young-n.. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:50:12 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02064 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA02862 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10NIYz-0003G8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:48:57 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28398 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:55:09 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED82A@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summit races this weekend Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:55:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Who is racing? Isnt it just a track day for a club? Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:36 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Summit races this weekend > > > Anyone riding out to the races this weekend? I want to go and do > some cornerwork, but I have never been and thought if a group was > going, I could join in. I live in Warrenton, but could meet anywhere > along the way. Assuming the weather cooperates, I will be riding. > > Thanks, > > Danny > '99 VFR > '93 DR 350 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:52:33 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02074 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 17 Mar 1999 15:52:18 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA09414 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:52:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:52:14 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: poker run? In-Reply-To: <199903171542.KAA22578@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Danny Thompson wrote: > Forgive the ignorance, but what is a "poker run"? > > Thanks, > > Danny > '99 VFR > '93 DR 350 That's like where you cheat on poker, and when they catch you, you hop on your bike and outrun the mad cagers, cuz you can weave through traffic and they can't. Actually, its where you go from 'spot' to 'spot' on a map, collecting poker cards (i think) - sort of an easter egg hunt? And then if you get a good 'hand' you win? Or some crap like that? As you can tell, I've never been on one. I think most people go just to have a nice group ride. But I'd imagine some folks like the poker aspect of it. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:59:11 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02254 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA03445 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:58:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990317160222.13693.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web308.yahoomail.com; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:02:22 PST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:02:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Summit races this weekend To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Trying this again since netscape decided it wanted to crash the first time :( It's a track day this weekend rather than racing. I spoke with Glen Goldman of Team Promotion (sponsoring event) and he gave me this as the schedule: 0715 Registration 0800 Cornerworker meeting 0830 Riders meeting 0900 Bikes on course I plan on heading out to cornerwork but I'll be getting there about 0700 or so to chat with Glen. If you plan on riding the track day, it's on the Jefferson Circuit rather than the big course. Also, when you register, another lister (Danny Thompson I believe??) is already a promotion memeber, and receives some benefit if you mention that he referred you to them. If you signed up to cornerwork on the US Marshalls web site, but didn't hear anything or a very abbreviated response, you can either just show up, or give Glen a call at: (215) 675-5080. They may need to get you on a gate entry list or something. If you do talk to Glen about cornerworking, please mention I referred you (working a deal with him for racing...) Collin ---Danny Thompson wrote: > > Anyone riding out to the races this weekend? I want to go and do > some cornerwork, but I have never been and thought if a group was > going, I could join in. I live in Warrenton, but could meet anywhere > along the way. Assuming the weather cooperates, I will be riding. > > Thanks, > > Danny > '99 VFR > '93 DR 350 > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 10:59:20 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02257 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA03457 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:58:30 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:58:30 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:02:08 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I know.. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> "McCoy, Brian NAB02" - 3/16/99 12:54 PM >>> one of my coworkers says "I know someone who was killed while riding a motorcycle, I'm just glad to see you're ok" and walks off... My stock response to this type of comment: "Yes, it's unfortunate--allof us who are alive--we're all terminal." Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 11:00:23 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02374 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:00:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990317160345.13802.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web308.yahoomail.com; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:03:45 PST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Summit races this weekend To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh yeah, I forgot to mention... I'll be caging it up with a bike on trailer from the tyson's corner area.... room for one or two more....and room for two more bikes probably. Collin ---"McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Depending on how I feel, and if someone wants to chofure me.. I might be > there.. look for the gimp w/ cast on the left hand, and right arm in > sling... > > Brian > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 11:00:32 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (ww187.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.87]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02379 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25503 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 1999 16:00:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990317160022.25502.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.20) on Wed Mar 17 16:00:21 GMT 1999 Date: 17 Mar 99 11:00:21 EST From: Linda Tanner To: cbr , dc Subject: Choke X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.20) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I rode the bike today for the first time since the re-jetting and tuning.= I had a terrible time getting it started. The choke knob didn't seem right= =2E = There used to be a spot near the end of the turn where I could feel it en= gage. It was just about the last 1/4 inch. It wasn't there this morning and i= t wouldn't start worth a damn. I was afraid I was going to run the battery= down trying to start it. = It did eventually start, but the revs were very low. When I turned the c= hoke off, it made no difference. = Does this sound like my choke is not working?? Perhaps was disconnected during the jet work?? Any suggestions appreciated. Bike related, that is. Not bike related, s= end off-list ;-) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 11:13:42 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02648 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA04785 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA11375; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:12:39 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990317161307.JKAX5455@toddnt>; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:13:07 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Danny Thompson" , Subject: RE: Summit races this weekend Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:11:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be7090$ce944e60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <199903171533.KAA23433@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Racing this weekend? The first MARRC race I know of is the April, 11-12 weekend. Is there something else going on up at Summit this weekend? Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:36 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Summit races this weekend > > > Anyone riding out to the races this weekend? I want to go and do > some cornerwork, but I have never been and thought if a group was > going, I could join in. I live in Warrenton, but could meet anywhere > along the way. Assuming the weather cooperates, I will be riding. > > Thanks, > > Danny > '99 VFR > '93 DR 350 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 11:22:47 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02874 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26366 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04150 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:22:41 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vVNRa23218 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:22:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:22:31 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: and now for something amended.. ;) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Not much of a consolation, but I've been off my bike for almost 7 weeks now! First it was the stator, then an anti-freeze leak.... Robert "I need another bike" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Hangar Queen" groooooan From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 11:34:59 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03081 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA06813; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:30:43 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990317163349.JNLC5455@toddnt>; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:33:49 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Linda Tanner" , "cbr" , "dc" Subject: RE: Choke Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:32:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be7093$b26528b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <19990317160022.25502.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal The choke was definitely not engaged. Follow the cable down to the carbs and see what's going on. I don't know if the CBR has a plunger type choke, but if it does it should be very obvious if it wasn't assembled correctly. Todd Linda Tanner wrote: > > I rode the bike today for the first time since the re-jetting and > tuning. I > had a terrible time getting it started. The choke knob didn't > seem right. > There used to be a spot near the end of the turn where I could > feel it engage. > It was just about the last 1/4 inch. It wasn't there this morning and it > wouldn't start worth a damn. I was afraid I was going to run the > battery down > trying to start it. > > It did eventually start, but the revs were very low. When I > turned the choke > off, it made no difference. > > Does this sound like my choke is not working?? Perhaps was disconnected > during the jet work?? > > Any suggestions appreciated. Bike related, that is. Not bike > related, send > off-list ;-) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 11:40:35 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03198 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A91A60100F6; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:32:26 EST Message-ID: <36EFDAFD.8967A857@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:40:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: dc Subject: Re: Choke References: <19990317160022.25502.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Tanner wrote: > > It did eventually start, but the revs were very low. When I turned > the choke off, it made no difference. > > Does this sound like my choke is not working?? Perhaps was > disconnected during the jet work?? I'd say that's a definite possibility. A non-functioning choke would act just how you described it. If you trace the cable from the choke knob down to somewhere near the carbs, you might be able to see the problem. It could have too much slack in it, or not be connected at all. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 11:45:46 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03358 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:46:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:46:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I believe "Jane" was Jane Curtin, who was also the Conehead mother in both SNL and the movie. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Alex Milenkovic [mailto:alexm@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 7:58 AM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > > JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... > > Er.. did dale not tell you about jane? Dale.. you need to come clean.. or I'll do it for you. No seriously, that was an old SNL skit. Dan akroyd would yell at this chick (her name eludes me) and say "JANE YOU IGNORANT SLUT!" It was quite funny. You still see people use it, much to the shocked horror of other people who have never heard the SNL joke. Then comes the inevitable explanation. Much like we have here :) obmoto: Holy freaking hell, NICE WEATHER! I wonder how long this will hold out. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 12:24:35 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04117 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA11983; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:26:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903171726.MAA11983@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:26:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) **POKER RUN 3/21 & WOMEN'S LEATHERS** Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Someone asked about an upcoming poker run and I looked and found this, hope it helps. Subject: **POKER RUN 3/21 & WOMEN'S LEATHERS** THE HEYSER'S "JK POKER RUN" HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO SUNDAY, MARCH 21 HEYSER'S IN LAUREL ON RT. 1 Registration 8:30 a.m., last bike out 10:00 a.m. Refer to their Web site for more details Heyser's Home Page Danny '99 VFR '93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 12:24:33 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04115 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA10720 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA11983; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:26:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903171726.MAA11983@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:26:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) **POKER RUN 3/21 & WOMEN'S LEATHERS** Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Someone asked about an upcoming poker run and I looked and found this, hope it helps. Subject: **POKER RUN 3/21 & WOMEN'S LEATHERS** THE HEYSER'S "JK POKER RUN" HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO SUNDAY, MARCH 21 HEYSER'S IN LAUREL ON RT. 1 Registration 8:30 a.m., last bike out 10:00 a.m. Refer to their Web site for more details Heyser's Home Page Danny '99 VFR '93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 12:34:03 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04378 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA11407 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:33:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990317173536.5360.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web310.yahoomail.com; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:35:36 PST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: poker run? To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Danny Thompson wrote: > Forgive the ignorance, but what is a "poker run"? A poker run is a road event. What happens is people first go to the registration location. Once they register, they are given a piece of paper with a spot to write down five "card drawing" results. Usually you draw your first card at the registration booth. An offical writes down your card, then you get a set of directions to the next stop. (you don't get to keep the card) Usually the directions take you on very enjoyable roads. PARR in particular has been very good at sending people on senic routes (IMO). At each stop, you draw another card and get another set of directions. At the 4th and final stop (you picked a card at registration, remember?) you pick your final card. Typically the stop is at a restaurant where people eat and bench race while the poker run finishes up. Sometimes you can discard one or two cards and draw a few more for a donation to a charity. When the sweep riders come in, insuring everyone finished the route, they then give out awards for the top poker hands. (normally they use a computer to tell them who has the best poker hand, if the computer is down, you'll frequenly hear "Does a Full house beat a flush??") Some events just give out 3 awards (1st 2nd 3rd). PARR runs give out 3 awards in each of 6 catagories (Solo Rider; Buddy Rider; Passenger for Non-AMA members, and the same for AMA members), so there is a better chance of getting a trophy [for best odds, be an AMA-Passenger]. Some organizers give a cash award. Sometimes there is a prize for the worse hand (typically a free pass to the next poker run). I usually save the ride sheets and when I lead a DC-Cycles ride, use the sheets. The purpose of the poker run typically is to have a fun road event where the prize are basically from a "chance" game rather than who arrives first. (thus there is no need to speed). The best place to find out about upcoming poker runs is to look in "Winding Roads Motorcycle Times" They have a list of what's coming up in the next few months (although by the time they hit the shelves you usually miss the first 2 weeks of events) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 13:07:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05155 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28231 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08198 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF4936C0248; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:07:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990317130535.0182d140@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:13:58 -0500 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... > >>Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. > At 10:27 AM 3/17/99 , Jordan, Michael wrote: >Jane Curtin (as spoken by Dan Ackroyd (Early SNL, as I recall) Dan Ackroyd and Jane Curtin did a routine on Saturday Night Live satirizing James Kilpatrick and Nancy (?) on the 60 Minutes news show. Nancy would present a well-reasoned and compassionate argument and James would slam it with rigid thinking (he's an interesting guy, but his politics were pure FOWM (Fat Old White Man)). So the Curtin/Ackroyd skit would have Curtin presenting a well-reasoned, compassionate argument, and Ackroyd responding with "Jane, you ignorant slut ..." and continue with a screed against here sex habits, personal grooming, politics, etc., and never mention her argument. Good satire. So "Jane you ignorant slut ..." has come to mean an argument that is merely contradiction and an ad hominem attack. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 13:20:39 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05431 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5XBQAHX; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:19:54 EST To: Lordorange@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Problems with Triumphs? Message-ID: <19990316.220627.4279.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <9d9ad263.36efc74a@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-20 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:19:54 EST Never heard anything like that before, and we sell and service Triumphs. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:16:26 EST Lordorange@XXXXXX writes: >My friend (who is local) has a Triumph Daytona that recently went into >the >shop for its 6,000 mile service. Unfortunately the dealer couldn't >start the >bike after the service was complete - which, according to the dealer, >has >happened previously on two other Triumphs. Again according to the >dealer, the >bikes have to be returned to the manufacturer (yikes!!), and in the >two >previous instances Triumph has replaced the bike (double yikes!!). > >Anybody heard of this? > >-matt > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 13:20:56 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05443 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15334 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5XBQALY; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:19:55 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I know.. Message-ID: <19990316.220627.4279.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-37 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:19:55 EST AMEN! I'll be using this one for years to come. Glad to know your brain is still firing on all cylinders after the crash. Heal quickly. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:54:46 -0800 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" writes: >one of my coworkers says "I know someone who was killed while riding a >motorcycle, I'm just glad to see you're ok" and walks off... > >I didn't bite my tongue.. I walked after her and asked how many car >accidents she saw every day on her way home from work. I asked if she >remembered the 'road rage' incidents of last year that killed >something like >8 people... and made her feel small.. > >Then I had to appologize to her for being so harsh, and explained that >I >love riding a motorcycle.. I love it like most people love family >members. >I love it more than any woman could ever love chocolate.. and it >upsets me >when people are negative about my lifestyle... > >Lets see if that circulates the building as fast as the news that I'd >gotten >in an accident did. I don't understand what people will bring up >things >like that in a casual conversation with someone who just had an >accident.. >are they attempting to insinuate they wish me harm.. or what? > >ugh.. way to frustrated to deal wiht the pain... or is that supposed >to be >the other way 'round.. :( > >Brian > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 13:20:57 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05441 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15331 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5XBQADV; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:19:54 EST To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moving on. Message-ID: <19990316.220627.4279.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-11,13-34 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:19:54 EST I'm no racer, mind you, but IMO the 955i is probably one of the best-handling sportbikes straight out of the box that you can buy. I know there are lots more cutting-edge bikes out there that are great for racing around, but I've never ridden a sportbike on the street that soaked up bumps better than the 955i while still being able to corner. Also, the fuel injection is light years ahead of any other manufacturer. My only complaint with the Daytona is the low bars and the high seat. I feel too short for it. The Sprint ST has the same motor, but the bars are higher like a VFR. That would be my choice. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:19 -0500 (EST) Brian Roach writes: > >On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > >> The Daytona is over 500 lbs isn't it??? Or awefully darn close. >Long >> way on the toury side from your YZF. Probably very similar to your >> old VFR. Maybe a Speed Triple or T595?? > >The Daytona is the T595 (now 955i). It's pretty much the "tame" >superbike >much like my YZF was to the 600 class. The reviews I've read pretty >much >point to the same things I liked about the YZF in comparison to the >other >600's - not quite as fast, not nearly as good on the track, but a >great >street bike. > >- Bri > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 14:09:22 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06318 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA06612; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:09:14 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA10367; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:09:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:09:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Saw this on the VFR list and though I would pass it on since it's local. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:00:04 -0500 From: Christopher D. Hornbecker Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX To: vfr@XXXXXX Subject: 96 VFR for Sale It is a 1996 and has only 5,050 mi. on it. It has never been down, has always been garaged, and is adult owned. It is kept in Farfax, VA. I have a MagKnight magnetic tank bra, and eclipse tank bag, the seat cowl, a set of Honda's platinum plugs, and 3 new oil filters to go with it. The only reason I am selling it is becasue of my lack of time to ride. I own a small software company in Fairfax, VA, and that is where most of my time has been spent during these past two years. During the past year, I have only ridden the bike twice. Fortunately, my company has been growing fairly rapidly....but unfortunately, that leaves little time to ride. I believe that this VFR is a great machine....and one day when I get more free time, I will most likely buy another VFR....but for now...somebody should be enjoying this bike. Early spring '98 I was asking $6875.00 for the bike and had a man that had placed a deposit on it. Unfortunately, he was unable to attain the rest of the funds to make the purchase. Since then, I have been busy and have not placed anymore ads. I am now asking $6300 but this price is negotiable since I would not have to waste my time in setting up and placing ads. I have picture of the motorcycle listed at http://www.powerlinkusa.com/vfr4sale. Please note the Staintune pipe has already been sold, but I have the original stock pipe on the bike now. Other accessories I have for sale are: ---------------------------------------------------------- Arai Quantam/e Pearl Black Helmet (XL) Vanson Perforated Leather Jacket Honda VFR Manual If you are interested, please email me off the list at chornbecker@XXXXXX Best Wishes, -Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 15:25:59 1999 Return-Path: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07831 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:25:57 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2SWNa17081 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:18:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:18:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: bike hauling help needed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 After changing the oil pump on my old GPz it seems that the bearings are bad. Instead of tearing the whole engine down, Dennis at Crossroads Cycles has offered to sell me a parts bike with an engine that should work. I just need to get it to my house. I live in Annandale, about a mile or two from Crossroads. If any of you truck or trailer owners could help me out I'd be very grateful. I'm on digest so a direct reply would be appreciated. Mark Sommerfield (703) 256-0459 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 16:48:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09451 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01687 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA16262 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:48:46 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA02752; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:50:27 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002415; Wed, 17 Mar 99 15:56:31 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8R00H54BJ4LV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256737.0072B632 ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:52:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:50:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: "Charles L. Rosen" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <85256737.00724255.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Cheeseburger, Cheeseburger, Cheeseburger!!!! --chris To: 'DC Cycles' cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: "Charles L. Rosen" Date: 03/17/99 03:29:15 PM GMT Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Now I feel old, I'm gonna get some chips ana a coke, no coke pepsi... -charles ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 16:55:20 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09555 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:55:18 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA06097; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:56:21 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa05881; Wed, 17 Mar 99 16:02:32 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8R00I5VBT0KC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256737.007340DC ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:58:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:55:51 -0500 Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256737.0072B4FB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL She's also the lead actress (playing opposite John Lithgow) on 3rd Rock >From the Sun. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" Date: 03/17/99 04:46:20 PM GMT Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. I believe "Jane" was Jane Curtin, who was also the Conehead mother in both SNL and the movie. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Alex Milenkovic [mailto:alexm@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 7:58 AM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > > JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... > > Er.. did dale not tell you about jane? Dale.. you need to come clean.. or I'll do it for you. No seriously, that was an old SNL skit. Dan akroyd would yell at this chick (her name eludes me) and say "JANE YOU IGNORANT SLUT!" It was quite funny. You still see people use it, much to the shocked horror of other people who have never heard the SNL joke. Then comes the inevitable explanation. Much like we have here :) obmoto: Holy freaking hell, NICE WEATHER! I wonder how long this will hold out. Alex. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 17:31:24 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10367 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup96.idsonline.com [209.136.96.96]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA08060 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:31:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Introduction....mine Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:32:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be70c6$03b6cde0$c26088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE709C.1AE0C5E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000236BC4C36C51BE11BA0616FABEBF1B7764F62300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE709C.1AE0C5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys and gals. My name is Henry Winokur, I've been riding in the DC area for over 20 years (I'm a native DC person, though I smartly live in MD now). Current bikes are 87 Kawasaki Concours and 94 Yamaha GTS 1000, which I procured new-in-the-crate last October. I'm a MSF certified instructor in the Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program. I'm married, w/ 2 step kids and a dog (a wonder yellow Lab named Stella), and I live in West Bethesda (just a different post office than Bethesda). I work for myself doing computer consulting for individuals, families and non-networked small business. I know some of you personally, and some of you by name from the COG mailing list. And like most of you, I'm very opinionated!! :), particularly where biking is concerned. Looking forward to participating in the list. Henry S. 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Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Atlanta OK for Riding? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:11:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE70BA.B8E9A360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE70BA.B8E9A360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am thinking about going down to Atlanta the first part of June to = catch the MBNA Superbike races at Road Atlanta. My inclination is to = trailer my bike most or all of the way there (using my new Ford Explorer = as my tow vehicle). Does anyone know if there are enough decent roads = in the Atlanta area to provide two days of spirited sport bike riding? = I have previously flown down to Atlanta to catch the Suzuki Cup races. = The track has incredible elevation changes!!! By the way, is anyone = else considering making the trip? Perhaps we could convoy or share = expenses? =20 Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE70BA.B8E9A360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am thinking about going down to = Atlanta the=20 first part of June to catch the MBNA Superbike races at Road = Atlanta.  My=20 inclination is to trailer my bike most or all of the way there (using my = new=20 Ford Explorer as my tow vehicle).  Does anyone know if there are = enough=20 decent roads in the Atlanta area to provide two days of spirited sport = bike=20 riding?  I have previously flown down to Atlanta to catch the = Suzuki Cup=20 races.  The track has incredible elevation changes!!!  By the = way, is=20 anyone else considering making the trip?   Perhaps we could = convoy or=20 share expenses? 
Roy D. Turner, = Esq.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE70BA.B8E9A360-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 21:12:52 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14661 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.167] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AF1736D00C2; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:04:07 EST Message-ID: <36F0613F.85FBFA68@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:13:19 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henry S. Winokur" CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Introduction....mine References: <000401be70c6$03b6cde0$c26088d1@henrywin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Henry, Fellow COGger! Welcome. You could very well be the only human on the planet that has ridden a GTS 1000 (well, ok, the only one I know of, anyway). What is that neato forkless front end like to ride? Dale Henry S. Winokur wrote: > > Hi guys and gals. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 21:32:04 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15032 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:32:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990318023401.14690.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.116] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:34:01 PST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Atlanta OK for Riding?, or: Are you kidding, Atlanta is great for riding! To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just a county or two north of Atlanta are a whole bunch of mountains, Deals Gap, TWO (Two Wheels Only) campground. My map of GA is gone to Florida, so I can't say the exact roads, just look strait north of Atlanta near Tennessee for Suches and pick any direction from there, or stop in TWO and pick up a guidebook, or maybe a guide, there's always bikes coming and going. Road Atlanta ain't in Atlanta, it's about 80 miles (about 130 Kilometers to Collin) north-northwest of Atlanta off of I-85; to get to great riding country just head northwest. If you have the time, you might consider staying at TWO for a day or two before or after, be aware that at that elevation it gets cold at night (at least by my standards) even in June. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 21:42:43 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15215 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.167] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A6392D10106; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:34:33 EST Message-ID: <36F06862.22B4D2B1@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:43:46 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Introduction....mine References: <19990318023512.26160.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool. Worldwide GTS rider population up to two! :) What did you think of it? I saw one for sale used at CPS Woodbridge a few weeks ago, it caught my eye. Looked like a pretty decent bike. Dale Ray wrote: > > ---Dale Horstman wrote: > You could very well be the only human on the planet that has ridden a > GTS 1000 > > (well, ok, the only one I know of, anyway) > > Hey, I've ridden the GTS! I just don't own one. Put a little less > than a hundred miles on a couple. > Ray -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now. 1998 Kawasaki Concours - The Wife's Bike From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 21:58:51 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15509 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr7-dialup20.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.67.148]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35324) with SMTP id <0F8R00004S8VUL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:58:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:58:43 +0000 From: Jon Subject: Re: Membership To: Brian N , dc-cycles Message-id: <012701be70c1$577902e0$94433ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Welcome to the list Brian, always nice to see another FZR rider join the group. Looking forward to seeing you on a ride soon. Spring is here! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Brian N To: dc-cycles Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 11:23 AM Subject: Membership Hello all bikers on the net. My names Brian and I've been on your list server for about 2 months. I have also sent all personal info to the roster page. Is there anything else I need to do to become a new member? It was a nice surprise when Jon from the FZR600 Archives mentioned there was a local club that catered to any & all motorcycles. Can't wait to meet and ride with all of you. See ya on the pavement soon. Brian N. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:15:04 1999 Return-Path: stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [206.151.9.249]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15809 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from stpeter (th-1-34.patriot.net [206.29.51.36]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA30102; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:12:39 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:16:31 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE70C3.CFC6D2C0.stpeter@patriot.net> From: "Jay St. Peter" Reply-To: "stpeter@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'henwin@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Introduction....mine Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:03:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 9 TEXT are 87 Kawasaki Concours and 94 Yamaha GTS 1000, which I procured new-in-the-crate last October. I'm a MSF certified instructor in the Was that you on the beltway this morning riding the super clean blue GTS? If so, I passed you on my ZX9 near Ga Ave. Welcome to the list. Nice GTS (if it was you). Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:14:56 1999 Return-Path: stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [206.151.9.249]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15807 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from stpeter (th-1-34.patriot.net [206.29.51.36]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA30107 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:12:41 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:16:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE70C3.D11FAC00.stpeter@patriot.net> From: "Jay St. Peter" Reply-To: "stpeter@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Paint for a low budget racer? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:16:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 17 TEXT I have ordered some new bodywork for my race bike. Once I get it fitted up, I am going to need to paint it. Does anyone have the capability to paint bodywork? Know anyone who is willing to do a quick paint job cheap? I wouldn't even mind attempting to do the painting if anyone has equipment/space to do it. I appreciate any help/suggestions. Thanks BTW, went to the cornerworking school this weekend. Figured I could watch some good racers lines working corners. Not too many DC Cycles members there, Hugh Caldwell and a guy named Matt (sorry didn't get last name). They kept stressing how dangerous it is. I was kinda thinking that cornerworking would be the safe place for me at the track :) Jay St. Peter CCS am #503, WERA am #583 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:20:54 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15987 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup133.idsonline.com [209.136.96.133]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA29641 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:20:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Sweet! Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:21:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be70ee$777164c0$856088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <85256737.004E2D7D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I've also done my good deed for the day for my bike and changed the oil > myself for the first time. It turned out to be pretty easy, though messy. > Next time I do it, I'll try to refine (no pun intended) my technique so I > don't get oil all over my hands and the ground. Anyone know the proper > method to dispose of the old oil? I assume I can just take it to a gas > station. I strongly suggest that you wear rubber/surgical type gloves when changing your oil, or working with any petroleum product on or around your vehicles. Almost all of the chemicals in petroleum products are dangerous to you (carcinogens?) and it simply isn't worth poisoning yourself to find out. You can buy 10 packs of rubber gloves at CostCo, or wear surgical gloves, which you may actually be able to find at auto supply stores, particularly Trak. Almost all mechanics now wear gloves of this nature. In fact, I'd wonder about the guy/gal who isn't wearing them. I buy the rubber gloves from CostCo, and cut them off just about the wrist, so they are a bit easier to get off, than with the gauntlet on. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:24:27 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16005 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:24:24 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA12062; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:23:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903180323.WAA12062@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Introduction....mine To: Horkster@XXXXXX (Dale Horstman) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:23:58 -0500 (EST) Cc: raymondlucas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36F06862.22B4D2B1@tidalwave.net> from "Dale Horstman" at Mar 17, 99 09:43:46 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > What did you think of it? I saw one for sale used > at CPS Woodbridge a few weeks ago, it caught my eye. > Looked like a pretty decent bike. it was a technical miracle. Yama overpriced it, and that was it. All what i heard was a great bkie for touring, comfy, secure, etc. Little on a heavier side... > > Dale _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:31:10 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16177 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup133.idsonline.com [209.136.96.133]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA00306 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:30:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: shops Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:32:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be70ef$e70f8040$856088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another good place is Myers' Cycles in Kensington, MD. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD > There is no database I'm aware of but I can give thumbs up to both The > Dirt Shop in College Park and Cycle Accessories Discounters in > Gaithersburg. Both have decent prices (with CAD perhaps being more willing > to go low and giving more racer support), decent mechanics, and decent > people behind the counter (with Dave being the preferred person behind the > counter at CAD). From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:31:12 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16180 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup133.idsonline.com [209.136.96.133]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA00310 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:31:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: poker run? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:32:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be70ef$e7f2db60$856088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <199903171542.KAA22578@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Forgive the ignorance, but what is a "poker run"? Danny: It's an excuse to go riding. And it involves a poker hand. Either you pick up cards at particular points along a route, or you follow the route and pick up your hand at the end. Prizes are usually given for the best hand(s), and sometimes other things as well (who came the furthest, for instance). PRs are usually held for some reason...charity, etc, but the big reason is to ride your bike. You don't even have to figure out where, because the organizers have already done that for you. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:41:52 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16308 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup133.idsonline.com [209.136.96.133]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA00829 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:41:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Introduction....mine Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:42:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01be70f1$57ba29c0$856088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <36F0613F.85FBFA68@tidalwave.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Fellow COGger! Welcome. You could very well be the > only human on the planet that has ridden a GTS 1000 > (well, ok, the only one I know of, anyway). What is > that neato forkless front end like to ride? Dale: Believe it or not there are no less than 6 and perhaps 7 GTS owners/riders in the DC Metro area. I love the name of your bike!! What's it like to ride? Well, it stops really fast, course it goes really fast too. There is little front end dive, and coming off my Connie the thing appears to hardly weigh anything. (about 600 lbs.). I've only got about 900 miles on it. Though I'd hate the chain drive, but I have a ScottOiler on it, so chain lubrication is a no-brainer. So far. so GREAT!! Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:41:52 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send207.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16309 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:41:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990318034614.28356.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.62] by send207.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:46:14 PST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Sweet! To: "Henry S. Winokur" , Dc-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Look in the health & beauty dept at KMart or Wal-Mart for rubber surgical-type gloves, you can get a bigger box for less money than at the auto parts store. They have both sterile and non-sterile. To get them on easier, blow them up like a balloon first, and hope you bought the type without talcum powder inside. Most Pep Boys and probably most other chain stores take oil. I get the dishwasher soap that comes in the big buckets, then use the buckets to carry the oil. The lid fits fairly tight and it's big enough for my truck and a bike (3 gallons total). Ray ---"Henry S. Winokur" wrote: > > > I've also done my good deed for the day for my bike and changed the oil > > myself for the first time. It turned out to be pretty easy, though messy. > > Next time I do it, I'll try to refine (no pun intended) my technique so I > > don't get oil all over my hands and the ground. Anyone know the proper > > method to dispose of the old oil? I assume I can just take it to a gas > > station. > > I strongly suggest that you wear rubber/surgical type gloves when changing > your oil, or working with any petroleum product on or around your vehicles. > Almost all of the chemicals in petroleum products are dangerous to you > (carcinogens?) and it simply isn't worth poisoning yourself to find out. > > You can buy 10 packs of rubber gloves at CostCo, or wear surgical gloves, > which you may actually be able to find at auto supply stores, particularly > Trak. Almost all mechanics now wear gloves of this nature. In fact, I'd > wonder about the guy/gal who isn't wearing them. > > I buy the rubber gloves from CostCo, and cut them off just about the wrist, > so they are a bit easier to get off, than with the gauntlet on. > > Henry S. Winokur > '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 > AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor > West Bethesda, MD > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:41:59 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16313 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup133.idsonline.com [209.136.96.133]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA00856 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:41:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: GTS for sale Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:42:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be70f1$66190ea0$856088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <36F06862.22B4D2B1@tidalwave.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What did you think of it? I saw one for sale used > at CPS Woodbridge a few weeks ago, it caught my eye. > Looked like a pretty decent bike. Is the machine still there? From time to time on the GTS list we get people who are looking to buy. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:42:01 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16315 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup133.idsonline.com [209.136.96.133]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA00870 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:41:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: GTS on the Beltway Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:42:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be70f1$6a854260$856088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <01BE70C3.CFC6D2C0.stpeter@patriot.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > are 87 Kawasaki Concours and 94 Yamaha GTS 1000, which I procured > new-in-the-crate last October. I'm a MSF certified instructor in the > > Was that you on the beltway this morning riding the super clean blue GTS? because it is brand new!!! > If so, I passed you on my ZX9 near Ga Ave. Yup, that was me. I remember. You got off at Georgia Ave., didn't you (VA plates)? I was headed to my doc's and got off at Colesville Road. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:46:52 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16499 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup133.idsonline.com [209.136.96.133]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA01210 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:46:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: double posting.... Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:47:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be70f2$184abba0$856088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm getting a lot of double postings tonight. Is it me or is something truly wrong? Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:46:55 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16502 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup133.idsonline.com [209.136.96.133]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA01219 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:46:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Oil recycling Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:47:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01be70f2$19681280$856088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <19990318034614.28356.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Most Pep Boys and probably most other chain stores take oil. I get > the dishwasher soap that comes in the big buckets, then use the > buckets to carry the oil. The lid fits fairly tight and it's big > enough for my truck and a bike (3 gallons total). Service stations in MD are required (I believe) to take the oil. I just pour it back into the gallon containers it comes in (I use AMSOIL synthetic and buy it by the gallon). Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:47:39 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16519 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:47:36 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr23-dialup10.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.71.138]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35317) with SMTP id <0F8R00F64UIEC2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:47:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:47:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Sweet! To: Dc-Cycles Message-id: <001a01be70c8$29a06460$8a473ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Almost all mechanics now wear gloves of this nature. In fact, I'd >wonder about the guy/gal who isn't wearing them. >Henry S. Winokur Yes we do and yes we wonder about the guys who don't. Who the hell wants nasty, oily, greasy hands all day? I must be in the wrong business, I hate getting my hands dirty.......... Find a tool truck guy at any dealership/shop and buy a box. $10 for about 100. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 22:50:25 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16610 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA28899 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm5-17.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.88]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA31191; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: <00d401be70f1$c615cfa0$5810b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: Contestant #2 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:45:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Awful. News akin to the Illinois train wreck. Pulling for your quick bone mending (got milk?). And fingers crossed that the perp may be revealed somehow, someway. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Darn. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 >And another round of 'Kissing Pavement' has been played over the weekend. >This Contestant? One Mr. Brian McCoy on an 87 VFR700 FII. The scene is >set.... ...snip From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 23:13:59 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17032 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:13:58 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr23-dialup10.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.71.138]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35318) with SMTP id <0F8R00MS0VQB4H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:13:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:13:59 +0000 Subject: Re: double posting.... To: "Henry S. Winokur" , Dc-Cycles Message-id: <003701be70cb$d87d12a0$8a473ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >I'm getting a lot of double postings tonight. Is it me or is something >truly wrong? >Henry S. Winokur Henry, look at the "To:" in your e-mail header. Most people hit "reply to all" and it includes the DC Cycles and your address....... From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 00:14:13 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17955 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:12:09 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5381B5@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:12:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I always love the adult owned thing. Just what the fu** does that mean? I'm an adult and I could hurt any bike just a bad as some 12 year old... Glenn > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:00:04 -0500 > From: Christopher D. Hornbecker > Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX > To: vfr@XXXXXX > Subject: 96 VFR for Sale > > It is a 1996 and has only 5,050 mi. on it. It has never been down, has > always been garaged, and is adult owned. It is kept in Farfax, VA. > > I have a MagKnight magnetic tank bra, and eclipse tank bag, the seat cowl, > a > set of Honda's platinum plugs, and 3 new oil filters to go with it. > > The only reason I am selling it is becasue of my lack of time to ride. I > own a small software company in Fairfax, VA, and that is where most of my > time has been spent during these past two years. During the past year, I > have only ridden the bike twice. Fortunately, my company has been growing > fairly rapidly....but unfortunately, that leaves little time to ride. I > believe that this VFR is a great machine....and one day when I get more > free > time, I will most likely buy another VFR....but for now...somebody should > be > enjoying this bike. > > Early spring '98 I was asking $6875.00 for the bike and had a man that had > placed a deposit on it. Unfortunately, he was unable to attain the rest > of > the funds to make the purchase. Since then, I have been busy and have not > placed anymore ads. I am now asking $6300 but this price is negotiable > since I would not have to waste my time in setting up and placing ads. > > I have picture of the motorcycle listed at > http://www.powerlinkusa.com/vfr4sale. Please note the Staintune pipe has > already been sold, but I have the original stock pipe on the bike now. > > Other accessories I have for sale are: > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Arai Quantam/e Pearl Black Helmet (XL) > Vanson Perforated Leather Jacket > Honda VFR Manual > > If you are interested, please email me off the list at > chornbecker@XXXXXX > > > Best Wishes, > -Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 00:14:42 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17965 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id AAA09636 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:14:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:14:35 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Torque vs. Horsepower Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok... is it just me, or is everyone fixated on the wrong statistic? Everything I read, and 99% of the time hear when people are bench racing/talking numbers is HP HP HP... I'm reading a review in CycleWorld where they threw in a Ducati 748 in their 600 shootout (and called it "middleweight mayhem"). They seemed suprised when the Ducati was the fastest on the track (a tight turning one with no long straights). After all it only produces 89hp compared to the other bikes' 95+. Gee... it does, however, put out 49+ lbs of torque compared to the highest 600 (The R6) at 42 lbs. ~20% more torque, and only ~10% more weight - why does this not make perfect sense to everyone involved? I don't understand why everyone fixates on HP when in the real world (where you can't hit 150mph 99.9% of the time) torque is what you're interested in having. Is there something wrong with me? - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 00:33:11 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18319 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:26:32 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Brian Roach" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Torque vs. Horsepower Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:27:32 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01be7100$05a39d60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I agree with you totally. My brother drove a Mustang V-6 yesterday (the new 200 hp ones) and was very impressed. Said it felt nearly as quick as the old V-8's (pushrod). I'd bet the biggest difference in acceleration is the 60 ft times, where torque reigns supreme. (I am not sure what that has to do with this, so I'll move on...) My boxer (I miss it) and my Kawasaki had nearly the same HP. Around 75 or so. But the boxer had scads more torque, so you'd assume that it would be faster. Again, only right off the line. Once you can pin the throttle on the Kawi, it was quite quick. HP matters more if you are willing to bang the throttle against the rev limiter. Something not many people do:) Now, in this test, it might have been a surprise that the Duc was quicker. Presumably they expected the HP to win over Torque, despite the fact that the track seemed designed for a tq bike. Maybe there were just enough straights to let this be possible. But that would assume that CW actually thought before writing. (It's one thing to get nonsensical thoughts from me, but they are 'professionals'.) Ehh, whatever. I like torque. The 1100 has more torque than the 850, but when I get my next bike (20 yrs from now?? Who knows) it's gonna have a feeling of torque. It's just easier to get things done. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 00:33:09 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18317 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:19:15 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" , Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:20:17 -0500 Message-ID: <008b01be70ff$027bed00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5381B5@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I always love the adult owned thing. Just what the fu** does that mean? > I'm an adult and I could hurt any bike just a bad as some 12 year old... > > Glenn You could probably do even more damage. I know I'm a lot better at breaking stuff now than I was when I was 12. And my father... Whew! It's amazing the kind of ingenious ways you figure out how to break stuff by the time you hit your late 50's:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 00:56:57 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18698 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id AAA09708; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:56:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:56:53 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5381B5@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM wrote: > I always love the adult owned thing. Just what the fu** does that mean? > I'm an adult and I could hurt any bike just a bad as some 12 year old... > > Glenn I'll play devil's advocate here... When I was 18 and had my shiney new M class rating on the licence, I don't think I was what could be considered "adult". I flogged the hell out of whatever I was riding ("Gee... wonder if it can REALLY do 150mph...". I was also more reckless in my riding style). Some years later, I seem to have aquired a self-preservation gene, and a good bit of common sense. I don't ride like I used to (::shrug:: To each their own, but this is a fact in my case). I will say that anything I own now will last longer and stay in many less (1) pieces far longer than when I was 18. My $.02 - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 06:50:36 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25661 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id GAA24547 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id GAA24541 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id GAA14641; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id GAA14631; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:54:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990318064751.0126b570@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:47:51 -0500 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5381B5@dadc040.hqda.pentag on.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:12 AM 3/18/99 -0500, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM wrote: >I always love the adult owned thing. Just what the fu** does that mean? >I'm an adult and I could hurt any bike just a bad as some 12 year old... If the ad read "young, punk-kid owned, ridden like the screaming rocket it was meant to be", would you be inclined to buy it? LOL. :-) Brad (Young punk kid) 99 CBR600 F4 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 07:51:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26553 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA11962 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA00502 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:51:10 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256738.00469C7D ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:51:15 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256738.004610C0.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:51:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Torque vs. Horsepower Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I don't understand why everyone fixates on HP when in the real world (where you can't hit 150mph 99.9% of the time) torque is what you're interested in having. Is there something wrong with me? - Brian Hey Brian, don't give away the best kept secret in motorcycling. The next thing you know, everyone will be out enjoying what we've already discovered. ;-) Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 07:51:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26564 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA11968 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00505 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (sterling-internal-217.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0F8S00IEEJPI35@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:51:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:55:12 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) In-reply-to: To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <001001be713e$8f832440$d929bccc@lcsa3.loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM wrote: > > > I always love the adult owned thing. Just what the fu** does that mean? > > I'm an adult and I could hurt any bike just a bad as some 12 year old... > > > > Glenn > When I was young and dumb (now I'm just old and dumb) I had a habit of seeing how long I cound shine my headlight in the tree tops. I have since stopped this practice (well, almost). My front tire stays in contact with the ground almost all of the time now! I know us geezers COULD do as much damage as a young whipper-snapper, but maybe we are just a little more conservative. But I COULD BE WRONG! (And my wife says I usually am). Gary Foreman fj1100@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 07:57:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26648 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA12023 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA00568 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:57:27 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256738.00472F1D ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:57:31 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256738.0046D39F.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:57:25 -0500 Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I always love the adult owned thing. Just what the fu** does that mean? I'm an adult and I could hurt any bike just a bad as some 12 year old... Glenn That's just another way to say "Yea I rode the piss out of it, but you will never know it since it never threw a rod through the case and I was lucky enough not to drop it anywhere along the way." ;-) Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 07:58:40 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26661 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Atlanta OK for Riding?, or: Are you kidding, Atlanta is great for riding! Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:58:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I would suggest starting up Interstate 575 toward the northeast corner of Georgia. It's been a while since I've been there, but look for towns like Ballground, Jasper, Ellijay, Blue Ridge, Toccoa, Young Harris, Dahlonega and Dawsonville (that's where Bill Elliott lives or at least used to). Once you get there, you'll be very close to Murphy and Andrews, N.C., which is just this side of the Natahala Gorge. A nice little road through the mountains, but can get crowded sometimes with the kayakers. But it's a beautiful ride, not that I'm biased or anything. Mitch (born in the N.C. mountains) Holmes 1986 Honda Magna -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:raymondlucas@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:34 PM To: Roy D. Turner, Esq.; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Atlanta OK for Riding?, or: Are you kidding, Atlanta is great for riding! Just a county or two north of Atlanta are a whole bunch of mountains, Deals Gap, TWO (Two Wheels Only) campground. My map of GA is gone to Florida, so I can't say the exact roads, just look strait north of Atlanta near Tennessee for Suches and pick any direction from there, or stop in TWO and pick up a guidebook, or maybe a guide, there's always bikes coming and going. Road Atlanta ain't in Atlanta, it's about 80 miles (about 130 Kilometers to Collin) north-northwest of Atlanta off of I-85; to get to great riding country just head northwest. If you have the time, you might consider staying at TWO for a day or two before or after, be aware that at that elevation it gets cold at night (at least by my standards) even in June. Ray From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 08:06:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26883 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA12119 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00665 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02073 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:05:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:05:46 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Torque vs. Horsepower In-Reply-To: <85256738.004610C0.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: >> I don't understand why everyone fixates on HP when in the real world >> (where you can't hit 150mph 99.9% of the time) torque is what you're >> interested in having. > > Hey Brian, don't give away the best kept secret in motorcycling. The next > thing you know, everyone will be out enjoying what we've already > discovered. ;-) Let's face facts, everyone fixates on horsepower because it is king. Torque, shmorque! Kirk 98 Honda SuperHawk 88 Honda Hawk GT From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 08:20:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27174 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA12249 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00848 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA14433 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE7118.266DB3B0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:20:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" Subject: Ignorant sluts Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:20:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wasn't the name of the (real) segment called "Point / Counterpoint?" Rich (feeling so old) '78 Triumph Bonneville Sterling X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:13:58 -0500 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. >>> JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT ... > >>Seriously, who's Jane? I hate jokes I don't get. > At 10:27 AM 3/17/99 , Jordan, Michael wrote: >Jane Curtin (as spoken by Dan Ackroyd (Early SNL, as I recall) Dan Ackroyd and Jane Curtin did a routine on Saturday Night Live satirizing James Kilpatrick and Nancy (?) on the 60 Minutes news show. Nancy would present a well-reasoned and compassionate argument and James would slam it with rigid thinking (he's an interesting guy, but his politics were pure FOWM (Fat Old White Man)). From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 08:58:19 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27725 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md46.idsonline.com [209.136.97.46]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA23481 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:58:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:59:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be7147$84b7b040$2e6188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5381B5@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit maybe worse...you know how to do it, so it isn't accidental!! Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD > I always love the adult owned thing. Just what the fu** does that mean? > I'm an adult and I could hurt any bike just a bad as some 12 year old... From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 08:58:18 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27723 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md46.idsonline.com [209.136.97.46]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA23478 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:58:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: double posting.... Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:59:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be7147$83ce3aa0$2e6188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <003701be70cb$d87d12a0$8a473ea6@0302104396168270> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I'm getting a lot of double postings tonight. Is it me or is something > >truly wrong? > >Henry S. Winokur > > > Henry, look at the "To:" in your e-mail header. Most people hit "reply to > all" and it includes the DC Cycles and your address....... so how do I prevent the double posting?? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 09:03:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27823 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A7B78B0032; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:03:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990318080132.01823af0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:03:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Philadelphia is "Hell on Wheels" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Interesting article. A little breathless, but the facts are alarming. Chris Norloff *************************************** http://home.phillynews.com/packages/hellonwheels/hell10.asp "Traffic law enforcement in the nation's fifth-largest city has disintegrated into irrelevance - and it's killing us. Compared to 20 years ago, police write exceedingly few traffic tickets for hazardous driving, a Daily News investigation has found. And even when they do, Traffic Court fails to ensure that offenders are prosecuted. As a result, people who walk or drive in this city often do so at their own risk. Motorists in Philadelphia disregard even the most basic laws with virtual impunity. Their bad driving habits, encouraged by years of official neglect, are starting to get deadly. In the last eight years, deaths of Philadelphia drivers and their passengers have reached their highest levels since the 1930s" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 09:37:30 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28477 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:37:28 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA11015; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:38:42 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003269; Thu, 18 Mar 99 09:23:17 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8S00KV7O03A8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256738.004EB941 ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:19:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:15:52 -0500 Subject: RE: Sweet! To: "Henry S. Winokur" Cc: Dc-Cycles Message-id: <85256738.004E758B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Thanks Henry and everyone. I'll do this next time I change the oil. Sounds like a good idea for several reasons. Now that I've changed the oil, the next thing on my checklist is to lubricate the clutch cable. After long rides, my left hand gets pretty tired. Is this as simple as just shooting some WD-40 down the cable cover or is it a bit more complicated than that? Any tips or tricks? These newbie questions are probably pretty boring for the veterans on the list, but I would appreciate any help you guys and gals can give me. Thanks, Chris Weaver Yamaha Seca II Henry Winokur wrote: I strongly suggest that you wear rubber/surgical type gloves when changing your oil, or working with any petroleum product on or around your vehicles. Almost all of the chemicals in petroleum products are dangerous to you (carcinogens?) and it simply isn't worth poisoning yourself to find out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 09:46:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28643 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA13179 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02671 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 444 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:45:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990318094248.01cb8480@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:45:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: YZF 600 Tourer? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A friend rides a YZF 600 as his daily commuter from Reston to DC every day. He wantedto sell the bike and get something with luggage....and then realized that someone may actually make hard luggage for the bike! Anyone have any experience with hard luggage for that bike? His is a '98. He checked out givi and liked the Maxia as the top bag and the monokey e360 as the two side bags. Any other mfg to check? P.S. - It was a beautiful ride this morning. I _just_ got to work ;-) Only had one soccer mom try and run me off the road. I just waved and kept rolling.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 09:48:14 1999 Return-Path: ewinslow@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28664 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (ewinslow@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15325; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:48:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:48:05 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Winslow To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Philadelphia is "Hell on Wheels" (No MC) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990318080132.01823af0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had the opportunity to spend some good time in Philly a few years back and quickly came to the conclusion that they've a higher population density of nasty drivers than we do here. Red light runners were rampant and pedestrians had better watch out. That city has some good features, but I wouldn't want to live there. Eric '94 Kawasaki KLR650 '93 Suzuki GS500E (For sale) On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > city often do so at their own risk. Motorists in Philadelphia disregard > even the most basic laws with virtual impunity. Their bad driving habits, > encouraged by years of official neglect, are starting to get deadly. In > the last eight years, deaths of Philadelphia drivers and their passengers > have reached their highest levels since the 1930s" > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 09:48:50 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28677 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:43:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:43:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > I always love the adult owned thing. Just what the fu** does that > mean? > I'm an adult and I could hurt any bike just a bad as some 12 year > old... > > Glenn > I always assumed that it means an adult would actually bother to change the oil on a regular basis, and maybe even take the time to break in the new engine before truly wacking it. I know that I'm far more likely to do some preventive maintenance now than I was as a rather idiotic teenager. For whatever it's worth. Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 09:55:58 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28799 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.39.77] (207-172-39-77.s77.tnt10.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.39.77]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13173; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:55:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903181455.JAA13173@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:55:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Sweet! From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: "Henry S. Winokur" , "Dc-Cycles" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >I strongly suggest that you wear rubber/surgical type gloves when changing >your oil, or working with any petroleum product on or around your vehicles. >Almost all of the chemicals in petroleum products are dangerous to you >(carcinogens?) You mean exam type gloves. I have never seen anyone outside the OR/hospital use surgical gloves. If you think those cheap ambidextrous, three size only rubber bags are what I wear when operating, I shudder to think what kind of tools you think are adequate to work on your bike...borrow your kids toy tool belt perhaps... <:o -charles washington's only motorcycling neurosurgeon From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 10:00:43 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28962 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:00:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990318150254.6785.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.28] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:02:54 PST Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:02:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Sweet! To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, "Henry S. Winokur" Cc: Dc-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The next thing you should do is go to a shop and buy a Haynes or Clymer service manual, and immediately after that go to a Honda shop and special order the Honda Common Service Manual, which is a great general reference book for all bikes. Most factory manuals tell you what to do but very rarely how, this book tells the how. There's also a couple books available from Whitehorse Press (www.whitehorse.com?) but I haven't found any book as complete as the Common Service Manual. A great way to learn is to watch and ask. Hang out with your friends when they work on thier bikes, watch the pros at the shops. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 10:01:09 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28967 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A52E270338; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:01:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990318100327.0182a8c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:09:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: [non-moto] Seeking Electrician Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm looking for an electrician in Falls Church, Virginia, to replace circuit breakers with Ground Fault Interrupters in the circuit breaker box (should be a simple remove-and-replace operation). I figure I can do it myself, but the purchaser wants to see receipts from a licensed electrician -- so I'm looking for someone to oversee my work, or to take the GFIs I buy and plug them into the circuit breaker box. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 10:07:28 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29122 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04875 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:07:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:07:16 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: double posting.... In-Reply-To: <000101be7147$83ce3aa0$2e6188d1@henrywin> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Henry S. Winokur wrote: >> Henry, look at the "To:" in your e-mail header. Most people hit "reply to >> all" and it includes the DC Cycles and your address....... > > so how do I prevent the double posting?? You can't. Some people think of it as a courtesy to those using the digest version (they chose the (in)convenience of digest version and I don't personally think I should have to "suffer" for it...). Some people don't think at all, they just do what's easiest. I usually take anything but the list address out manually. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 10:16:41 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29387 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 447 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:16:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990318101204.02062070@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:16:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Sweet! In-Reply-To: <199903181455.JAA13173@smtp3.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:55 AM 3/18/99 , Charles L. Rosen wrote: > >>I strongly suggest that you wear rubber/surgical type gloves when changing >>your oil, or working with any petroleum product on or around your vehicles. >>Almost all of the chemicals in petroleum products are dangerous to you >>(carcinogens?) > >You mean exam type gloves. I have never seen anyone outside the OR/hospital >use surgical gloves. If you think those cheap ambidextrous, three size only >rubber bags are what I wear when operating, I shudder to think what kind of >tools you think are adequate to work on your bike...borrow your kids toy >tool belt perhaps... <:o > >-charles >washington's only motorcycling neurosurgeon Probably more information than we all needed. Isn't there another doctor on the list? Seem to remember somone that works in DC, that was in a fender bender and got into a fight with the driver.....? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 10:16:20 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29373 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md46.idsonline.com [209.136.97.46]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA29685 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:16:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: YZF 600 Tourer? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:17:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be7152$6a5eb080$2e6188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990318094248.01cb8480@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A friend rides a YZF 600 as his daily commuter from Reston to DC > every day. > > Anyone have any experience with hard luggage for that bike? His is a '98. > He checked out Givi and liked the Maxia as the top bag and the > monokey e360 > as the two side bags. Any other mfg to check? The guys on the GTS list love GIVI stuff. Art @ Rider's Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church carries it. You get a discount of some sort (10%?) if you buy it all from him. I'll be putting it on my GTS before too long. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 10:44:35 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29887 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AD7870200F6; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:36:24 EST Message-ID: <36F11F60.D4AA43E8@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:44:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: YZF 600 Tourer? References: <000601be7152$6a5eb080$2e6188d1@henrywin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Henry S. Winokur wrote: > > The guys on the GTS list love GIVI stuff. Art @ Rider's Accessory Warehouse > in Falls Church carries it. You get a discount of some sort (10%?) if you > buy it all from him. > > I'll be putting it on my GTS before too long. Leon and I stopped by the Givi tent in Daytona, Leon was spreading the long-distance gospel to some nice young lady on a Ninja 250 (I didn't notice it at first, it wasn't painted green and yellow) while her boyfriend had some Givi saddlebags mounted on his sportbike. I can't remember the bike, but the bags looked nice and solid. I bitch and moan long and loud about the lack of new shaft-drive bikes on this list, but I would think a do-it-yourself sport-tourer, with Givi hard bags, and a ScottOiler setup for that pesky chain, would be a more than adequate solution for continent crossings. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 10:58:33 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00290 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A29077801B4; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:58:08 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990318110241.01821e60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:06:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Darn this weather! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Darn this weather! Here I am, with my beloved Aerostich in Minnesota getting repaired and ... ahem ... expanded, and I'm riding my bike as nervous as a nudist at a beekeeper's farm. I figured without the Aerostich I could still put on several layers, just in case. But no! Now I have to dress down. Darn! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 11:10:33 1999 Return-Path: Chris.Guthrie@XXXXXX Received: from beltexch3.wsmg.digex.net (beltexch3.wsmg.digex.net [207.87.24.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00513 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by BELTEXCH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:04:38 -0500 Message-ID: <518C76169FC3D211B23B00805F9F52801C4F96@BELTEXCH1> From: "Guthrie, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: 955i vs Sprint Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:04:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John, I used to work with a guy who bought a 955i after his Guzi Sport was totaled in the Springfield Mall parking lot. He absolutely loves the 955i, but FYI the Sprint has a detuned motor, @20 HP less but builds most of the power were most people use it, and is probably a better bike for most riders. Recent reviews have rated the Sprint quite well. I was considering purchasing the older Triumph Daytona 900a couple years ago, but purchased a YZF 1000 based on the comfort/reliability factor (I'm 6'2", 200lbs). The ergo's are terrific on the Ace, 3-5 hour rides are no problem, even with the stock seat, windscreen. Enjoy! Chris '93 FZR 600 '97 YZF 1000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moving on. X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-11,13-34 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:19:54 EST I'm no racer, mind you, but IMO the 955i is probably one of the best-handling sportbikes straight out of the box that you can buy. I know there are lots more cutting-edge bikes out there that are great for racing around, but I've never ridden a sportbike on the street that soaked up bumps better than the 955i while still being able to corner. Also, the fuel injection is light years ahead of any other manufacturer. My only complaint with the Daytona is the low bars and the high seat. I feel too short for it. The Sprint ST has the same motor, but the bars are higher like a VFR. That would be my choice. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 11:11:26 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00516 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06614 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:11:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:11:15 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Darn this weather! In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990318110241.01821e60@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I didn't expect to have to pull the flip flops out until late May, at the earliest, but I guess I was wrong! I was thinking of maybe getting some Tevas this year, you know, in case I crash. They're a lot heavier duty. In all seriousness, the stich was way too hot today. I went most of this winter with minimal cold weather gear (stich with a fleece jacket under it) on bikes without windshields and now I'm excessively acclimated to the cold! :) I got to work a tad sweaty... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 11:14:16 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00609 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:14:14 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2KYPa01941 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:11:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3b26fe66.36f1259a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:11:06 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: double posting.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 you can't prevent receiving doubles BUT THE PEOPLE WHO SEND THE RETURN EMAILS might consider DELETING the individuals name if they intend it to go to the whole list anyway :D .02 Marcy :D (I'm not shouting, I'm emphasizing) In a message dated 3/18/99 9:06:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, henwin@XXXXXX writes: > so how do I prevent the double posting?? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 11:17:39 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00699 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:17:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990318161945.23926.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web304.yahoomail.com; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:19:45 PST Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Darn this weather! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Chris Norloff wrote: ... ahem ... expanded, and I he he he Had a little expanding over the winter myself, but not enough to affect clothing for the most part... If the past two days is any indication of how the maxim is going to be in warmer weather, I'm going to have to look at custom making some rearsets ;-) Curve from 110 up to 395 has done quite the number on the right peg.... The end metal is completely wearing through and rubber is rapidly being removed :( CT _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 11:22:23 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send106.yahoomail.com (send106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.43]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00789 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:22:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990318162245.29538.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send106.yahoomail.com; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:22:45 PST Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Any group rides planned for this weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Weather is forcasted to be sunny and mild Saturday. Any rides planned? Herb '94 Magna _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 11:29:10 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00907 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup88.idsonline.com [209.136.96.88]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05472 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:28:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Sweet! Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:29:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be715c$909a16e0$2e6188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990318101204.02062070@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >washington's only motorcycling neurosurgeon > > Probably more information than we all needed. > > Isn't there another doctor on the list? Seem to remember somone > that works > in DC, that was in a fender bender and got into a fight with the > driver.....? No that was a boxer...Mike "The Felon" Tyson............... From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 11:58:42 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01562 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA09909; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:58:37 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA10249; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:58:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:58:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Darn this weather! In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990318110241.01821e60@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I can't believe that you required anything more than shorts and a t-shirt on a day like this. Off to buy some sandals, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Darn this weather! Here I am, with my beloved Aerostich in Minnesota > getting repaired and ... ahem ... expanded, and I'm riding my bike as > nervous as a nudist at a beekeeper's farm. > > I figured without the Aerostich I could still put on several layers, just > in case. But no! Now I have to dress down. Darn! > > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 11:59:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01565 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15564 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06784 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcruz (207-172-38-14.s14.tnt8.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.38.14]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21290 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:59:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002501be715f$f1efa9c0$157c7c7c@mcruz.valueoptions.com> Reply-To: "Michael Cruz" From: "Michael Cruz" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Vanson PTSR Leathers for Sale... Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:54:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01BE7136.083646A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BE7136.083646A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone! If anyone is interested, I would like to sell my Vanson PTSR leather = pants. I bought them new from Colleen at the Motorcycle Leather = Exchange over a year ago, with the ambition that I would lose weight to = fit in them. Unfortunately I went the other direction and have no = chance of fitting in them, ever. Anyway, I want to sell them for $250. = They are basically new and like other Vanson products need to be broken = in. Realisticly, someone between sizes 35-37 could fit in them. The = specs on them are listed below... Vanson PTSR, black, size 38. Sportrider pants made of heavy weight = leather. Armor-ready, with double leather at the knees. Two zippered = front pockets, one snap shut rear pocket, zippered legs, and zipper to = attach to Vanson jackets. Expansion leather panels above the knees. = Athletic mesh lining.=20 A picture of them can be found at Vanson's web site: = http://www.vansonleathers.com/newpop.html If interested, please email or call me: (703) 549-2281 Thanks! michael.cruz@XXXXXX www.cruzweb.net/mikecruz ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BE7136.083646A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Everyone!

If = anyone is=20 interested, I would like to sell my Vanson PTSR leather pants.  I = bought=20 them new from Colleen at the Motorcycle Leather Exchange over a year = ago, with=20 the ambition that I would lose weight to fit in them.  = Unfortunately I went=20 the other direction and have no chance of fitting in them, ever.  = Anyway, I=20 want to sell them for $250.  They are basically new and like other = Vanson=20 products need to be broken in.  Realisticly, someone between sizes = 35-37=20 could fit in them.  The specs on them are listed = below...

Vanson PTSR, black, size 38. = Sportrider pants=20 made of heavy weight leather. Armor-ready, with double leather at the = knees. Two=20 zippered front pockets, one snap shut rear pocket, zippered legs, and = zipper to=20 attach to Vanson jackets. Expansion leather panels above the knees. = Athletic=20 mesh lining.

A picture of them can be found at Vanson's = web=20 site:   http://www.vansonleath= ers.com/newpop.html

If interested,=20 please email or call me:  (703) 549-2281

Thanks!

michael.cruz@XXXXXX

=

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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BE7136.083646A0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 12:02:01 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01673 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA24906; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:01:57 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA20450; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:01:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:01:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Darn this weather! In-Reply-To: <19990318161945.23926.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A Maxim cafe racer. Cool! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > ---Chris Norloff wrote: > ... ahem ... expanded, and I > > he he he Had a little expanding over the winter myself, but not enough > to affect clothing for the most part... > > > If the past two days is any indication of how the maxim is going to be > in warmer weather, I'm going to have to look at custom making some > rearsets ;-) Curve from 110 up to 395 has done quite the number on > the right peg.... The end metal is completely wearing through and > rubber is rapidly being removed :( > > CT > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 12:51:25 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02641 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA01878; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:50:49 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990318175045.DWMU18356@toddnt>; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:50:45 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Brian Roach" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" Cc: Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:48:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01be7167$938241b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM wrote: > > > I always love the adult owned thing. Just what the fu** does that mean? > > I'm an adult and I could hurt any bike just a bad as some 12 year old... > > > > Glenn > > I'll play devil's advocate here... > > When I was 18 and had my shiney new M class rating on the licence, I don't > think I was what could be considered "adult". I flogged the hell out of > whatever I was riding ("Gee... wonder if it can REALLY do 150mph...". I > was also more reckless in my riding style). > > Some years later, I seem to have aquired a self-preservation gene, and a > good bit of common sense. Instead of Adult Owned maybe it should read "ridden with self-preservation in mind, and gobs of common sense". I agree with Glenn. I'm 36 and still flog the hell out of whatever I ride, but then I ride Hondas. Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 13:02:11 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02838 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA30098; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:00:14 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990318180058.DXVA18356@toddnt>; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:00:58 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Charles L. Rosen" , "Henry S. Winokur" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Sweet! Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:59:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be7169$007f9aa0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <199903181455.JAA13173@smtp3.erols.com> Charles Rosen wrote: > >I strongly suggest that you wear rubber/surgical type gloves > when changing > >your oil, or working with any petroleum product on or around > your vehicles. > >Almost all of the chemicals in petroleum products are dangerous to you > >(carcinogens?) > > You mean exam type gloves. I have never seen anyone outside the > OR/hospital > use surgical gloves. If you think those cheap ambidextrous, > three size only > rubber bags are what I wear when operating, I shudder to think > what kind of > tools you think are adequate to work on your bike It ain't brain surgery Charles ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 13:19:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03088 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16919 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09345 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id NAA04228 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE7141.F494FBD0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:19:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'VFR'" Subject: Dyno-jet Power Commando II Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:19:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I see that Dyno-jet just came out with a slick new Power Commander II for the VFR800. What I like is that it has a PC GUI interface that lets you pick and choose where you want more or less fuel. (I automatically assume that there are limitations) The question is, what would something like this do for me, Joe Regular VFR rider? I mean, it costs $300 bucks. I realize that there have been complaints about the throttle response of the VFR 800 but, I don't seem to have any problems. Opinions, anyone?? John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 13:51:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03688 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA13875 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:51:01 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990318185110.EEVL18356@toddnt> for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:51:10 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Torque vs. Horsepower Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:49:13 -0500 Message-ID: <001801be7170$041feeb0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: > Ok... is it just me, or is everyone fixated on the wrong statistic? > > > > I don't understand why everyone fixates on HP when in the real world > (where you can't hit 150mph 99.9% of the time) torque is what you're > interested in having. > > Is there something wrong with me? > > - Brian Well said Brian, and correct. Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 13:56:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03750 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17403 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10435 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11220 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:56:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:56:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Dyno-jet Power Commando II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Carver, John wrote: > I realize that there have been complaints about the throttle response > of the VFR 800 but, I don't seem to have any problems. What complaints? Excessively quick throttle response? Electric style power delivery? I'd be pissed too! :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 13:56:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03725 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AC27150023E; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:55:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990318135950.017f84c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:03:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: [non-moto] Seeking Electrician - IT'S ME! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm still looking for an electrician, but I thought I'd pass on something I just learned about Fairfax County -- if you own the property (your house) you can do most any work on it as long as you get the appropriate permit (which includes a county inspector when you call for him). So for $56 I can get an electrical permit allowing me to replace the circuit breakers in my circuit breaker box -- wonderful! The attitude, with the electrician I spoke with and with the Fairfax County permit person I spoke with, is that if it's your property you can do the work you want to do, as long as you comply with the applicable standards, codes, etc. for what you're doing. What a concept! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 14:04:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03949 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17491 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.187]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA10644 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:03:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990318190917.20344.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web305.yahoomail.com; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:09:17 PST Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Dyno-jet Power Commando II To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmmm.. If it ain't broke... don't fix it... $300 could go most of the way toward a better rear shock, or fork springs and re-valving... Or $300 could pay for most of a day at California Superbike School.... Don't really think you'd get your money's worth out of the power commander unless you were full on canyon carving with it and always at/near peak power.... Collin ---"Carver, John" wrote: I realize that there have been complaints about the > throttle response of the VFR 800 but, I don't seem to have any problems. > Opinions, anyone?? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 14:15:57 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.187]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04195 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:15:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990318192126.21453.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web305.yahoomail.com; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:21:26 PST Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:21:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: [non-moto] Seeking Electrician - IT'S ME! To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think most states are like this. The only thing you would need a licensed electrician to do for you, is have the line ran from the pole to the breaker box.... From the breaker box to the rest of the house, anyone can do the work. CT ---Chris Norloff wrote: > The attitude, with the electrician I spoke with and with the Fairfax County > permit person I spoke with, is that if it's your property you can do the > work you want to do, as long as you comply with the applicable standards, > codes, etc. for what you're doing. > > What a concept! > > Chris Norloff > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 14:49:01 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04750 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:48:16 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:48:10 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:51:41 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX Subject: Torque vs. Horsepower -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Yes. You are sick. As sick as I was after riding a friend's hot rod Sportster that made 80 lbs-ft of torqueage. Joe >>> Brian Roach - 3/18/99 12:14 AM >>> Ok... is it just me, or is everyone fixated on the wrong statistic? Everything I read, and 99% of the time hear when people are bench racing/talking numbers is HP HP HP... I'm reading a review in CycleWorld where they threw in a Ducati 748 in their 600 shootout (and called it "middleweight mayhem"). They seemed suprised when the Ducati was the fastest on the track (a tight turning one with no long straights). After all it only produces 89hp compared to the other bikes' 95+. Gee... it does, however, put out 49+ lbs of torque compared to the highest 600 (The R6) at 42 lbs. ~20% more torque, and only ~10% more weight - why does this not make perfect sense to everyone involved? I don't understand why everyone fixates on HP when in the real world (where you can't hit 150mph 99.9% of the time) torque is what you're interested in having. Is there something wrong with me? - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 15:06:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05088 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18560 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA12883 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:05:25 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:05:19 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:09:04 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Back when there was a bigger price differential between middleweights and big-bores, you knew it was a complete waste of time to look at used Gpz 550s, as most of them had been road-buffed at least once. Used Gpz 1100s didn't seem to have the same problem. Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 15:11:57 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05111 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA27290 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:11:40 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:11:40 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Torque vs. Horsepower -Reply Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:11:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I don't understand why everyone fixates on HP when in >the >real world(where you can't hit 150mph 99.9% of the >time) >torque is what you're interested in having. Absolutely! In the world of Stoplight Bingo, torque is what separates the contenders. Michael (Once you're over the hill, you just speed up) J. '93 GSX 1100G 98 HP, 76 (count 'em) Ft-Lbs From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 15:37:26 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05674 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:36:34 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:36:26 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:39:52 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: Dysart@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I agree with Glenn. I'm 36 and still flog the hell out of whatever I ride, but then I ride Hondas. Todd Ah yes--those impervious-to-pavement-rash Hondas. :-} Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 15:57:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06052 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19266 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14805 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 396 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:56:48 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990318155521.0137abc0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:56:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Reuters Odd News Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Stressed Motorcyclist Kills Traffic Cop BANGKOK (Reuters) - A Thai motorcyclist, stressed from the loss of his job, shot and killed a policeman who stopped him in Bangkok Thursday, police said. Prakit Klomkling grabbed a traffic policeman's holstered gun and shot him three times after the policeman asked for his driving license, police said. Prakit had just run into a car at a busy intersection. Prakit told police that he was overwhelmed by stress, having lost his job last week, and had unconsciously reacted violently. He was apprehended by other policemen and passers-by and is being held for investigation into murder charges, police said. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 16:06:13 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06249 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA19191; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:06:08 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA09681; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:06:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:06:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ordering from Tapeworks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm gonna be odering a roll of RimStealth tape from TapeWorks. The minimum order is $35 and since a roll of RimStealth only costs $20 I was wondering if anyone else was interested in getting something to bring the amount over $35 and split the shipping. I would like to order this today or tomorrow at the latest. http://www.tapeworks.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 17:04:25 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07256 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA01850; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:04:22 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA24911; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:04:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:04:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ordering from Tapeworks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, I've gotten a couple interested parties and have placed my order. I had originally placed an order with Fast Lane cycles which was supposed to arrive last Tuesday but today they told me they could no longer order it so I was kind in of a rush to get the stuff. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > > I'm gonna be odering a roll of RimStealth tape > from TapeWorks. The minimum order is $35 and since a roll > of RimStealth only costs $20 I was wondering if anyone else > was interested in getting something to bring the amount over > $35 and split the shipping. I would like to order this today > or tomorrow at the latest. > http://www.tapeworks.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 17:42:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07995 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA21013 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA17337 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA10503; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:44:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:44:43 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: Mike Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reuters Odd News In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990318155521.0137abc0@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Having ridden on motorcycles in Bangkok taffic (with the infamous motocycle taxis), I could understand why one might want to shoot someone even if you hadn't lost your job that day! Vietnam is almost worse, though, where people don't stop at intersections, just kind of mesh through them all slower speeds (mostly bicicles, motorbikes and trike-type vehicles - not many cars). Takes some real getting used to before you venture into the sea of four-way intersection traffic! Allbests, Erik. On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mike Troutman wrote: > Stressed Motorcyclist Kills Traffic Cop > > BANGKOK (Reuters) - A Thai motorcyclist, stressed from the loss of his job, > shot and killed a policeman who stopped him in Bangkok Thursday, police said. > > Prakit Klomkling grabbed a traffic policeman's holstered gun and shot him three > times after the policeman asked for his driving license, police said. > Prakit had > just run into a car at a busy intersection. > > Prakit told police that he was overwhelmed by stress, having lost his job last > week, and had unconsciously reacted violently. He was apprehended by other > policemen and passers-by and is being held for investigation into murder > charges, police said. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 18:09:30 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08425 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA23129 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:09:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002801be712f$c5ccfda0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: Subject: Wish Us Luck (Non-Moto) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:09:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This isn't entirely moto-related but a few of you on the list may be interested to know that Thomas is in the hospital right now with severe asthma....keep him in your thoughts! It's really been hell for him to be looking out the window, seeing this awesome weather and knowing he can't go anywhere near it! Since our wedding is only 9 days away, we can use prayers to any god/goddess you may believe in... ; ) Thanks! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 18:26:08 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08713 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-45-180.s180.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.45.180]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA19951; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:31:00 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" , "cbr" Subject: KLR250 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:28:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be7197$097649a0$b42daccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Anyone know off hand and know where I find out what the seat height is on an 86 KLR250?? I found the bike and the price is reasonable (and negotiable), but they think it's tall (36"). LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 19:02:15 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09429 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:53:25 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Mike Troutman" , Subject: RE: Sweet! Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:54:38 -0500 Message-ID: <009801be719a$af0698e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990318101204.02062070@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Yeah, Harry (?) with the BMW (surprise:) is a doc. Anesthesiologist. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 19:06:35 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09529 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:02:46 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Nomad" , Subject: RE: Any group rides planned for this weekend? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:04:00 -0500 Message-ID: <009901be719b$fdf7d620$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19990318162245.29538.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Yeah. Riding in a cage down to SC (Myrtle Beach) with my brother. He got his MC license (fifth try. I think he can finally do a cone slalom.) and is taking the bike down there. Then I'm on my way to Georgia to pick up a sidecar (I think. Gotta talk to a guy tonight.) Yeah... I've got a ride planned. At least it's MC related. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 19:10:28 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09553 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:06:38 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: RE: Ordering from Tapeworks Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:07:52 -0500 Message-ID: <009a01be719c$885a2ac0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not sure who else, but I know that Clinton Cycles sells the stuff. BTW, make sure you clean the rims really well. Make sure they are very free of grease. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 19:17:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09749 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22008 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA19224 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:13:41 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "LindaT" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: KLR250 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:14:55 -0500 Message-ID: <009d01be719d$84457060$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <000601be7197$097649a0$b42daccf@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Have they changed these much since '86? Clinton Cycles (another plug for them, I see. It's just chance. I stopped in there yesterday while riding around) had one out front (uncertain of the vintage). Is the bike too far away to test sit? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 19:29:20 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09990 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20759 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:29:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:29:15 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: KLR250 In-Reply-To: <000601be7197$097649a0$b42daccf@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, LindaT wrote: > Anyone know off hand and know where I find out what the seat height is on an > 86 KLR250?? > > I found the bike and the price is reasonable (and negotiable), but they > think it's tall (36"). It's probably more like 32" without you sitting on it. With an appropriately set sag of 2-2.5" it's an easily managed 30". However, the water cooling on those bikes is overkill and they weigh a ton for their size and general intended purpose... I think the motor alone is something like 100lbs if my memory serves. Were it me I'd hold out for an XL... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 19:58:15 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10467 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-43-26.s26.tnt22.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.43.26]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28774 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:03:08 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: KLR250 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:00:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be71a3$e83a5ee0$b42daccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal The bike is in WV, so I was trying to figure out if the trip would be worth it. Thanks all. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 20:11:48 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10656 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18301 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8T006NRHZ9GU@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:13:25 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:11:30 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: KLR250 To: DC-CYCLES Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B76B8@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain Any trip to see a bike is worth - especially if you are riding a bike to see it :) > -----Original Message----- > From: LindaT [SMTP:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 8:01 PM > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: RE: KLR250 > > The bike is in WV, so I was trying to figure out if the trip would be > worth > it. > > Thanks all. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 20:54:48 1999 Return-Path: conteh@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11352 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA28608 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:54:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199903190154.TAA28608@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from lbg-va1-08.ix.netcom.com(205.186.72.40) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028569; Thu Mar 18 19:53:36 1999 From: "Hank" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:08:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: BUF or BUFF Reply-to: conteh@XXXXXX X-Confirm-Reading-To: conteh@XXXXXX X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sorry Chris, but after 20 in the good old USAF, I have to tell you that it's BUFF Big Ugly Fat F... Hank Ahem ... that's BUF, not Buff. It stands for Big Ugly F... Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 21:42:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12151 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23464 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA21395 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:42:29 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id rVEEa17081; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:39:26 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:39:26 EST To: jcarver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dyno-jet Power Commando II Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 I have the Power commander 1 for my 98 TLR. the PC allows fuel/air mixture at increments of 500rpms, and percent of throttle position(5%, 10%, 30%, 50%, 75%, and 100%). The PC 2 does all of this as well as adding in the ability of advancing/retarding ignition timing. If not neccessary to get one unless you are going to put an aftermarket pipe on, or your just looking for a way to smooth out your power band. I never noticed a big seat of the pants feel from w/o the pc(full m4 exhaust) and with pc(full m4 exhaust), but the dyno showed it. The price of the 2 I thought was 400, but if its 300, thats a hell of a deal. Good luck... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 21:55:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12322 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23569 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA21567 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:55:04 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vVZOa07881; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:53:56 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <446b38f5.36f1bc44@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:53:56 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: bad experience with md shop --long, vent-mode -on- Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Just so you all know, recently I had my frame, swing arm and rims polished at C&M Cycles in Millersville MD. The guys there were great at first, real friendly, and offering advice. I was told the job would only take 10 days, fine. Longer than I wanted, but I could wait. On days that he said it would be finished, I would call, and be told its going to take longer. Then the balt cycle show came, and he had bikes in the show, so they were closed on days I went down to check on it. Well, finally, she was done... looked awesome. BUT, I couldnt take it home, they wouldnt take a check! Another week past before I could get a day off to get up there and pick it up. Charlie, the owner, told me I was owed him for storage fees ($25/day) BS! I told him that he originally said it would take 10 days, and that it took a month, and asked if he could work with me. His answer, "fine, just bring the money and drop it off". well, I knew at that point I wasnt going to get any help from them, so me and a buddy headed up to pick it up. I didnt look over the bike too well just so I could get it out of there, but I wish I wouldve. There were swirl marks on the frame and the bike was dirty as hell. Parts he said he would do, he didnt, and where he did wasnt done to what I was told. Well, after tearing down my bike these past couple days to replace some damaged parts(highside earlier this year), I found that the chain has no slack in it, my rear axle castelnut is missing the cotter pin, my rear fairing was held on by bolts Ive never seen before and missing the plastic pops that hold it on the bottom, my alarm wires were cut and never reconnected, my battery is deep cycled and wont hold a charge, well, needless to say, Im not happy. so I just wanted to vent and make everyone aware of this bad business. Thanks for listening.... Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 18 21:59:07 1999 Return-Path: lenzy@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12406 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from lenzy (user-2iveulp.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.122.185]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15154; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:57:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004701be71ce$3e74db80$ef7afea9@lenzy> Reply-To: "Lenzy Echols" From: "Lenzy Echols" To: "Thomas and Jeannette" , Subject: Re: Wish Us Luck (Non-Moto) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:03:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Tom is strong and has always come through in the past. I wish him the best and a speedy recovery. Jeannette, I will be in town this weekend to bring back to his feet....bachelor party at the hospital if necessary....... Lenzy "94 F2" -----Original Message----- From: Thomas and Jeannette To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 3:20 PM Subject: Wish Us Luck (Non-Moto) >This isn't entirely moto-related but a few of you on the list may be >interested to know that Thomas is in the hospital right now with severe >asthma....keep him in your thoughts! It's really been hell for him to be >looking out the window, seeing this awesome weather and knowing he can't go >anywhere near it! >Since our wedding is only 9 days away, we can use prayers to any god/goddess >you may believe in... ; ) >Thanks! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 07:39:44 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22859 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup152.idsonline.com [209.136.96.152]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA09907 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:39:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: bad experience with md shop --long, vent-mode -on- Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be7205$b3b5ed80$986088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-reply-to: <446b38f5.36f1bc44@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > it on the bottom, my alarm wires were cut and never reconnected, > my battery is > deep cycled and wont hold a charge, > well, needless to say, Im not happy. so I just wanted to vent and make > everyone aware of this bad business. Sean: Instead of venting, write the guy a letter, send it return receipt requested, and send a copy of it to the Better Business Bureau and the Consumer Protection Office in your county and state. Ask for a refund, and make noises about seeing a lawyer if you two can't come to an agreement that is acceptable to you. There is no reason a business owner should be f*cking you over without some consequences. In the future, it may pay to contact the local BBB / Office of Consumer Affairs to find out if a shop has any kind of "reputation". Hope you settle for something that is too your liking. regards. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 07:51:27 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23092 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA03821 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE71DD.338E2FA0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:50:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: VIRUS ALERT!!!!!! Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:50:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! IF YOU RECEIVE A GIFT IN THE SHAPE OF A LARGE WOODEN HORSE DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT!!!! It is EXTREMELY DESTRUCTIVE and will overwrite your ENTIRE CITY! The "gift" is disguised as a large wooden horse about two stories tall. It tends to show up outside the city gates and appears to be abandoned. DO NOT let it through the gates! It contains hardware hat is incompatible with Trojan programming, including a crowd of heavily armed Greek warriors that will destroy your army, sack your town, and kill your women and children. If you have already received such a gift, DO NOT OPEN IT! Take it back out of the city unopened and set fire to it by the beach. FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW! Poseidon * * * FROM: hector@XXXXXX TO: laocoon@XXXXXX RE: Greeks bearing gifts Laocoon, I hate to break to you, but this is one of the oldest hoaxes there is. I've seen variants on this warning come through on other listservs, one involving some kind of fruit that was supposed to kill the people who ate it and one having to do with something called the "Midas Touch." Here are a few tipoffs that this is a hoax: 1) This "Forward this message to everyone you know" rap. If it were really meant as a warning about the Greek army, why tell anyone to post it to the Phonecians, Sumerians, and Cretans? 2) Use of exclamation points. Always a giveaway. 3) It's signed "from Poseidon." Granted he's had his problems with Odysseus but he's one of their guys, isn't he? Besides, the lack of a real header with a detailed address makes me suspicious. 4) Technically speaking, there is no way for a horse to overwrite your entire city. A horse is just an animal, after all. Next time you get a message like this, just delete it. I appreciate your concern, but once you've been around the block a couple times you'll realize how annoying this kind of stuff is. Bye now, Hector. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 08:34:19 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23770 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA13656 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE71E3.342C35A0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:33:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Richmond Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:33:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case anyone is unaware of it, this weekend is the Richmond show. A friend of mine will be showing his newly acquired (gorgeous) '69 Royal Enfield Interceptor. He knows of 18 or so other vintage Brit bikes that will be there as well. The wife and I plan to go down Saturday during the day. I will be the geek in the backwards Orioles hat and Brando jacket with union jack patch, if you want to say "Hi." Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling from http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders Cycle Expo, Richmond, VA entered by [Nighthawk700] March 19-21, 1999 Cycle Expo 99 at the Showplace, 3000 Mechanicsville Trnpk, Richmond, VA. Info: 804-288-3639, or serene1@XXXXXX. Ad in Motorcycle Times From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 09:19:17 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24551 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA18641 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:15:38 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990319141847.CASH20027@toddnt> for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:18:47 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) -Reply Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:17:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be7213$2d3dea10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I agree with Glenn. I'm 36 and still flog the hell out of whatever I > ride, > but then I ride Hondas. > > Todd > > Ah yes--those impervious-to-pavement-rash Hondas. :-} > > Joe The comment was directed at how well Hondas are built, since we were speaking of the concept of "Adult Owned". Not whether they'd crack up on pavement like most bikes would. I got your smiley, but I hope you don't think that after many years of riding I haven't learned anything about keeping upright. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 09:44:09 1999 Return-Path: Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX Received: from ligarius-fe0.ultra.net (ligarius-fe0.ultra.net [146.115.8.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24981 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:44:07 -0500 (EST) From: Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX Received: from notes.jackmorton.com ([209.6.53.23]) by ligarius-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id JAA04464 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.jackmorton.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256739.004FC560 ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:31:18 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: JACK MORTON To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256739.004FC3C3.00@notes.jackmorton.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:44:53 -0500 Subject: RE: Sweet! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > I've also done my good deed for the day for my bike and changed the oil > myself for the first time. It turned out to be pretty easy, though messy. > Next time I do it, I'll try to refine (no pun intended) my technique so I > don't get oil all over my hands and the ground. Anyone know the proper > method to dispose of the old oil? I assume I can just take it to a gas > station. Not sure about gas stations but the Mont. Co. recycling center off of 355 near Shady Grove Rd will take the used oil. Back to lurking mode. Glenn Norwicke 92' Suzuki Bandit 400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 09:49:15 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25059 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A1D830D00AC; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:40:24 EST Message-ID: <36F263C3.A2B67D6B@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:48:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LDRider List CC: DC Cycles List , COG Subject: VA anti-endurance law Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Leon Begeman pointed out this lovely law the State of Virginia (the same state that prohibits radar-detectors) has on the books. I wonder of other states have similar laws? Kind of makes it a tad risky going up to a police officer to get a signature on your just-completed IronButt Association ride, doesn't it? http://leg1.state.va.us § 46.2-812 Driving more than thirteen hours in twenty-four prohibited No person shall drive any motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth for more than thirteen hours in any period of twenty-four hours or for a period which, when added to the time such person may have driven in any other state, would make an aggregate of more than thirteen hours in any twenty-four-hour period. The provisions of this section, however, shall not apply to the operation of motor vehicles used in snow or ice control or removal operations or similar emergency situations. No owner of any vehicle shall cause or permit it to be driven in violation of this section. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) - "I must be a criminal" horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 10:11:31 1999 Return-Path: bbarge@XXXXXX Received: from corpmx1.ess.harris.com (corpmx1.ess.harris.com [130.41.65.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25470 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by corpmx1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:10:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Barge, Bruce" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , LDRider List Cc: DC Cycles List , COG Subject: RE: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:10:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Disclaimer; Yes, I know there are legal driving limits for Professional Drivers (usually driving mega-weight rigs). =20 However, I would think that the constitutional right to "free travel" Could be=20 unjustly restricted here. I cannot imagine a time limit for Joe Citizen being upheld in court. Where is the ACLU when you need them? B2 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 9:49 AM To: LDRider List Cc: DC Cycles List; COG Subject: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law Leon Begeman pointed out this lovely law the State of Virginia (the same state that prohibits radar-detectors) has on the books. I wonder of other states have similar=20 laws? Kind of makes it a tad risky going up to a police officer to get a signature on your just-completed IronButt=20 Association ride, doesn't it? http://leg1.state.va.us =A7 46.2-812 Driving more than thirteen hours in twenty-four = prohibited=20 No person shall drive any motor vehicle on the highways of the=20 Commonwealth for more than thirteen hours in any period of twenty-four = hours or for a period which, when added to the time such person may=20 have driven in any other state, would make an aggregate of more than=20 thirteen hours in any twenty-four-hour period. The provisions of this=20 section, however, shall not apply to the operation of motor vehicles=20 used in snow or ice control or removal operations or similar emergency = situations.=20 No owner of any vehicle shall cause or permit it to be driven in=20 violation of this section.=20 --=20 Dale Horstman (the Horkster) - "I must be a criminal" horkster@XXXXXX =20 Dale City, Virginia =20 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 13:36:52 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28871 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web504.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA19816 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:31:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990319173031.6278.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.159.1.17] by web504.yahoomail.com; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:30:31 PST Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:30:31 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: VA anti-endurance law To: DC Cycles List Cc: DC Cycles List , COG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like Leon has saved a few listers from tickets by being official sendoff person in Virginia. Many states must not have such laws, because most of the stories I've heard of Iron Butt rides make the police sound amused and interested when a rider asks for a signature. Sean Sullivan ---Dale Horstman wrote: > > Leon Begeman pointed out this lovely law the State of > Virginia (the same state that prohibits radar-detectors) > has on the books. I wonder of other states have similar > laws? Kind of makes it a tad risky going up to a police > officer to get a signature on your just-completed IronButt > Association ride, doesn't it? > > http://leg1.state.va.us > > § 46.2-812 Driving more than thirteen hours in twenty-four prohibited > > No person shall drive any motor vehicle on the highways of the > Commonwealth for more than thirteen hours in any period of twenty-four > hours or for a period which, when added to the time such person may > have driven in any other state, would make an aggregate of more than > thirteen hours in any twenty-four-hour period. The provisions of this > section, however, shall not apply to the operation of motor vehicles > used in snow or ice control or removal operations or similar emergency > situations. > > No owner of any vehicle shall cause or permit it to be driven in > violation of this section. > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) - "I must be a criminal" > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 13:37:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28875 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA11248 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02985 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.securewebs.com (mercury.securewebs.com [204.57.245.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01554 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cdh ([206.175.96.174]) by mercury.securewebs.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-53569U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:08:25 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Christopher D. Hornbecker" To: Subject: Could someone please help Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:15:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be7223$b9c79840$150000c0@cdh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hello, I picked this address up by reading the headers off of someone on the VFR mailing list. Could someone please reply to chornbecker@XXXXXX and inform me how to join this list. Thanks, Chris From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 13:37:07 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28873 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA15411 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 534 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:32:03 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990319112725.025a6df0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:32:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Sweet! In-Reply-To: <85256739.004FC3C3.00@notes.jackmorton.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok - we know what to do with oil...what about dead batteries and phone books? I replaced my bike battery, now I have one lead acid to get rid of. Can I take it to any service station and pay an environmental fee? Also - "The new phone book is here! The new phone book is here! Navin R. Johnson...." The back of my cage has about 10 old phone books for recycling. Hate to just toss them in the dumpster. Anyone know where the recycling centers are in NoVA for these things? Couple years ago I went by the Braddock Field recycle center and there was no bin (there was _supposed_ to be ) Tanks.... P.S. - the phone book reference was from "The Jerk" - a classic.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 13:36:43 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28869 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web504.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA19815 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:31:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990319173031.6278.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.159.1.17] by web504.yahoomail.com; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:30:31 PST Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:30:31 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: VA anti-endurance law To: DC Cycles List Cc: DC Cycles List , COG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like Leon has saved a few listers from tickets by being official sendoff person in Virginia. Many states must not have such laws, because most of the stories I've heard of Iron Butt rides make the police sound amused and interested when a rider asks for a signature. Sean Sullivan ---Dale Horstman wrote: > > Leon Begeman pointed out this lovely law the State of > Virginia (the same state that prohibits radar-detectors) > has on the books. I wonder of other states have similar > laws? Kind of makes it a tad risky going up to a police > officer to get a signature on your just-completed IronButt > Association ride, doesn't it? > > http://leg1.state.va.us > > § 46.2-812 Driving more than thirteen hours in twenty-four prohibited > > No person shall drive any motor vehicle on the highways of the > Commonwealth for more than thirteen hours in any period of twenty-four > hours or for a period which, when added to the time such person may > have driven in any other state, would make an aggregate of more than > thirteen hours in any twenty-four-hour period. The provisions of this > section, however, shall not apply to the operation of motor vehicles > used in snow or ice control or removal operations or similar emergency > situations. > > No owner of any vehicle shall cause or permit it to be driven in > violation of this section. > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) - "I must be a criminal" > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 13:37:44 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28879 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA09399 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:02:21 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Coulda been worse.. Yeouch.. Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:02:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I had a friend recount a tale after hearing about my incident.. Now this is what I'd call a quality motorcyclist.. Brian -----Original Message----- Brian, Here's my story. I was riding home from my job to my apartment in West Los Angeles on August 24th 1980. I had made that same exact trip for at least three years, knew the road, knew the look-out points. I was riding a 1971 Yamaha XS 650, with drum brakes (there-in hangs a tale). I rode south on Sawtelle Blvd, and turned as usual on Palms. Palms Blvd. has two lanes each way. I was riding in the right hand lane as usual, just two blocks from home, when I saw a car fail to stop properly at the stop sign on Bentley Ave. That car, an Oldsmobile, was now half blocking my lane. I checked my left mirror, and moved into the left lane to get around his intrusion. My left lane was clear, and so I moved over. When I looked up again, the car had moved further into the intersection, and was now blocking both lanes. Now he finally saw me, and stopped! Would that he had simply continued on, but that was not the case. I saw the Oldsmobile, and saw that it was in my path, and that I would have to make some immediate corrections. I figured that I had three options. None of them good. 1. I could hit the rear brake hard, drop the bike, and slide, but if I did that, I would most likely end up under the Oldsmobile. 2. I could put the front drum brakes full lock, and figure on T-Boning his drivers side door, with me going over his roof, onto who knew what. 3. Or, I could try and get around his car by leaning the bike way over to the left, forget the brakes, etc. I chose #3.. And it almost worked. I cranked the Yamaha hard left. The front wheel cleared the Oldsmobile's menacing front bumper. So did the forks. So did the engine cases. So far, so good. Then, WHAM!!. There was a severe impact to my right leg. I thought it was a bruise kind of thing, and figured I would have some black and blues. Wrong. Knowing that I had been hit, I attempted to pull over to the right lane, and assess the situation. Me and the bike were still upright and running. When I applied the rear brake, I found out that it wasn't working. Damn! He broke the brake lever. Wrong again. The impact had broken my right leg just above the ankle. The impact had in fact shattered the bone to the point that I had to have three steel pins implanted, and I still walk with a limp to this day. Hope you fare better, and look forward to seeing you on the track, or in the mountains. Christopher. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 13:37:47 1999 Return-Path: robi1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28881 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.dplus.net (dplus.net [206.181.96.7]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA06211 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dplus.net ([209.116.185.99]) by mailhost.dplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-51971U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:32:47 -0500 Message-ID: <36F26B2C.66A3B41B@dplus.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:20:12 -0500 From: "Mike Robinson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: LDRider List , DC Cycles List , COG Subject: Re: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law References: <36F263C3.A2B67D6B@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess this rules out VA for the next Iron Butt Rally. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 13:37:50 1999 Return-Path: KSLAWSON@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28883 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKCATL01-ext.kilcody.com (mail.kilcody.com [155.229.115.252]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA06371 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from XKCATL03 by GKCATL01-ext.kilcody.com via smtpd (for bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) with SMTP; 19 Mar 1999 15:26:19 UT Received: by XKCATL03 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:29:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Slawson, Kurt" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Dual Sport for Sale Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:25:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I hate to do it, but I don't have enough room in my garage for 2 bikes: 1994 Yamaha XT350 3300 miles Pirelli MT60 tires Excellent condition (with the exception of a few scratches on the crankcase) $2,000 OBO The bike is extremely lightweight and nimble, which makes it perfect for beginners. I can also attest to it being the perfect city bike, as I live and commute in D.C. If interested, contact me off-list. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 13:37:57 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28887 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from m3.boston.juno.com (m3.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.198]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA07161 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D536VBTR; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:31:29 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, COG@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA anti-endurance law Message-ID: <19990319.010442.5119.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <36F263C3.A2B67D6B@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-8,10-43 From: Bikes R Us Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:31:29 EST I don't think any officer would write you a ticket for this unless he pulled you over for something that you did which overexhaustion might have caused you to do. Or maybe if you were a belligerent bastard, he might tack this on to a speeding ticket or whatever. Otherwise, they'll probably just call you a nut-job and sign your slip. Just look sharp while you talk to the man. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:48:35 -0500 Dale Horstman writes: >Leon Begeman pointed out this lovely law the State of >Virginia (the same state that prohibits radar-detectors) >has on the books. I wonder of other states have similar >laws? Kind of makes it a tad risky going up to a police >officer to get a signature on your just-completed IronButt >Association ride, doesn't it? > >http://leg1.state.va.us > >§ 46.2-812 Driving more than thirteen hours in twenty-four prohibited > >No person shall drive any motor vehicle on the highways of the >Commonwealth for more than thirteen hours in any period of twenty-four > >hours or for a period which, when added to the time such person may >have driven in any other state, would make an aggregate of more than >thirteen hours in any twenty-four-hour period. The provisions of this >section, however, shall not apply to the operation of motor vehicles >used in snow or ice control or removal operations or similar emergency > >situations. > >No owner of any vehicle shall cause or permit it to be driven in >violation of this section. > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) - "I must be a criminal" >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now >1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 13:37:53 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28885 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:37:51 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA06447 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA25893; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:26:54 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021603; Fri, 19 Mar 99 10:19:07 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8U006CIL9547@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256739.0053D531 ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:15:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:11:37 -0500 Subject: RE: Sweet! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256739.00539210.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL The gas station near my house took the oil. They just have a round metal plate in the ground under which is an underground oil recycling tank. I believe it's a Chevron station, if that matters. Thanks to everyone for the advice I've gotten about this. As for the cable lubrication, it looks like I'll have to take another trip to the shop and pick up one of their little doohickeys and some cable lube. Chris Weaver Not sure about gas stations but the Mont. Co. recycling center off of 355 near Shady Grove Rd will take the used oil. Back to lurking mode. Glenn Norwicke 92' Suzuki Bandit 400 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 14:04:41 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29548 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA28990 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA16470 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:04:27 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:04:27 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: VA anti-endurance law Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:04:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Sounds like Leon has saved a few listers from tickets by being >official sendoff person in Virginia. Many states must not have such >laws, because most of the stories I've heard of Iron Butt rides make >the police sound amused and interested when a rider asks for a >signature. Both of the cops that I hit up for signatures were somewhat amused and amazed (Loudoun County) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 14:05:45 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29636 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA29087 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:05:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990319190726.18088.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web310.yahoomail.com; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:07:26 PST Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Sweet! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would suspect you could put out the phone books on whatever your assigned recycling day is in your area and they can pu tthem in the appropriate bin. Look up the info for your particular recycler.. they may do batteries too... Speaking of which, I need to look up AAA Garbages web page and see if they take batteries since I have a few too... Collin ---Mike Troutman wrote: > > Ok - we know what to do with oil...what about dead batteries and phone > books? I replaced my bike battery, now I have one lead acid to get rid of. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 14:08:44 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29682 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA29387 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA17308 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:08:40 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:08:40 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Dual Sport for Sale Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:08:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I hate to do it, but I don't have enough room in my garage for 2 bikes: Must be a small garage, :( I've got 7 in mine :) Some of which work :p Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 14:10:35 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29697 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from m3.boston.juno.com (m3.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.198]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA29782 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D54KDUQD; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:10:13 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coulda been worse.. Yeouch.. Message-ID: <19990319.041800.8175.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2 From: Bikes R Us Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:10:13 EST ooch, eech, ouch, ooch... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 14:24:25 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00120 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:22:17 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5381E2@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'Mike Troutman'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sweet! Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:22:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) If you are in Fairfax County you can take oil, anti-freeze, phone books, cardboard, batteries, cans, bottles, etc out to West Ox Road transfer station where they have a recycling center. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 11:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sweet! Ok - we know what to do with oil...what about dead batteries and phone books? I replaced my bike battery, now I have one lead acid to get rid of. Can I take it to any service station and pay an environmental fee? Also - "The new phone book is here! The new phone book is here! Navin R. Johnson...." The back of my cage has about 10 old phone books for recycling. Hate to just toss them in the dumpster. Anyone know where the recycling centers are in NoVA for these things? Couple years ago I went by the Braddock Field recycle center and there was no bin (there was _supposed_ to be ) Tanks.... P.S. - the phone book reference was from "The Jerk" - a classic.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 14:38:05 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00482 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md73.idsonline.com [209.136.97.73]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA12741 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:39:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be7240$271ae520$986088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Disclaimer; Yes, I know there are legal driving limits for Professional > Drivers (usually driving mega-weight rigs). > However, > I would think that the constitutional right to "free travel" Could be > unjustly restricted here. > I cannot imagine a time limit for Joe Citizen being upheld in court. > Where is the ACLU when you need them? B2 I'm sure if you call for them, they'll be there!! Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 14:46:50 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00703 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA24944 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:46:26 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:46:26 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:46:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Where is the ACLU when you need them? B2 >I'm sure if you call for them, they'll be there!! Unless it involves the 2nd amendment - they're somewhat picky about which parts of the Constitution they support. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 14:48:37 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00714 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md73.idsonline.com [209.136.97.73]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13513 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:48:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Sweet! Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:49:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be7241$9dfd0c80$986088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990319112725.025a6df0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Ok - we know what to do with oil...what about dead batteries and phone > books? I replaced my bike battery, now I have one lead acid to > get rid of. > Can I take it to any service station and pay an environmental fee? Check with your county's administrative office. They should be able to tell you. Here in Montgomery County, if you take a battery out to the Transfer Station @ 355 & Shady Grove Road...there is a place to deposit old batteries. Phone books......call your phone company. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 14:57:59 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00912 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA27111 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:57:55 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:57:55 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Sweet! Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:57:53 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Loudoun County takes waste oil and batteries at the landfill (there's an area to the left just before you actually enter the landfill with recycling bins, a tank for oil and a place for batteries). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 15:12:58 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01216 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AFC52FB01BE; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:12:53 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990319151857.01800420@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:21:03 -0500 To: Dc-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:46 PM 3/19/99 , Jordan, Michael wrote: >>>Where is the ACLU when you need them? B2 > >>I'm sure if you call for them, they'll be there!! > >Unless it involves the 2nd amendment - they're somewhat picky about which >parts of the Constitution they support. > >Michael J. They probably read the part about "a well-regulated militia". Despite the NRA promotion of the 2nd amendment, my understanding is that it's never been used in a court to justify gun ownership ... not even by the NRA. yes, I'm a gun owner, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 15:15:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01303 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:15:46 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA12738; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:16:43 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma011843; Fri, 19 Mar 99 15:14:41 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8U00BIOYX1WC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256739.006ED8E1 ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:10:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:06:12 -0500 Subject: Phoenix Superbike on TV? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256739.006E88B3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hi all. Does anyone know if the Phoenix Superbike will be carried by ESPN, ESPN2 or HTS? I know that Fox Sports Net is supposed to be carrying it and that HTS often picks up FSN coverage, but I'm not sure what's happening this Sunday for the Phoenix races. FSN is supposed to be carrying it at noon, but I don't receive full-time FSN... Is the Supersport race supposed to be covered or just the Superbike? Anyone know the scoop? Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 17:20:09 1999 Return-Path: BilZ42@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03581 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:20:07 -0500 (EST) From: BilZ42@XXXXXX Received: from BilZ42@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id gQYUa13701; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:18:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:18:53 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, ldrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, COG@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 170 Dale, Don't point this out to anybody else, wrong person will see it, intro logbook legislation for us next, then it'll be all trucks and motorclcyes next exit, all vehicles in lane must cross scales. After that, you'll see Gold Wings with lift axles so they can scale legally. Bill Z Richmond, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 18:22:27 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04641 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-13.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.54]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA15290 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:22:23 -0500 Message-ID: <00a901be725f$4db94680$3610b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Coleman's auction tomorrow Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:22:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BE7235.64448D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BE7235.64448D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From a lime-green flyer -- Coleman Annual Falls Church Auction -- Regis'n at 10, Examination at 11, = Bidding at 1. 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99 = VN750 -->=20 Going, going, going, going . . ..
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------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BE7235.64448D80-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 18:41:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04892 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA08841 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15591 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from l4rite (207-172-70-53.s53.tnt11.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.70.53]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA19430 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:41:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <033601be732b$47012d40$3546accf@l4rite> From: "Leslie" To: Subject: Re: Reuters Odd News Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:42:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Stressed Motorcyclist Kills Traffic Cop BANGKOK (Reuters) - A Thai motorcyclist, stressed from the loss of his job, shot and killed a policeman who stopped him in Bangkok Thursday, police said. Know the feeling....a friend of mine and I rented 2 GSXR750's for a couple of days while in Pateya Beach, Thailand back in 93....talking about having your head on a swivel and watching your mirrors....taxi drivers are just nuts....I saw some of the traffic cops step out into traffic to force some of the drivers to stop or slow down...BTW, my friend dumped the bike he was on and had to pay $125 to replace the peg....they held his drivers license until he paid it and followed him to the nearest ATM to get the cash....ofcourse the bike renters didn't want to get the cops involved because they didn't have a license to run the business...enjoy Les From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 19:12:17 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05502 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (207-172-53-121.s121.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.53.121]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00179 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:17:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801be7266$a3b79260$7935accf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Atlanta MBNA Superbike Race Update Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:14:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE723C.BA181FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE723C.BA181FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I now am considering flying down to Atlanta to watch the MBNA AMA = Superbike races on June 5 and 6 at Road Atlanta. If anyone is = interested in joining me, it probably will cost around $245.00 per = person plus food. The breakdown is as follows: Airfare on AirTran Dulles to Atlanta RT $130 Rental Car 2 days and gas split 2 ways 40 Hotel i.e. Super 8 one night split 2 ways 25 Two day pass at track 40 Parking at airport and track split 2 ways 10 =20 Of course, the overall cost could be reduced if more than two people go. = =20 AirTran offers a very early Saturday morning flight out of Dulles (non = stop) and a very late evening flight out of Atlanta on Sunday (also non = stop). This is a great way to catch live and in person two full days of = Superbike racing. I have been to Road Atlanta, and the track is one of = the best around. Feel free to EMail me or call me at (703) 550-7226 (H) = or (540) 659-1555 (W) if interested or if you need more details. =20 Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE723C.BA181FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I now am considering flying down to = Atlanta to=20 watch the MBNA AMA Superbike races on June 5 and 6 at Road = Atlanta.  If=20 anyone is interested in joining me, it probably will cost around $245.00 = per=20 person plus food.
 
The breakdown is as follows:
 
Airfare on AirTran Dulles to Atlanta=20 RT            = ;  =20 $130
Rental Car 2 days and gas split 2=20 ways           &nb= sp;    =20 40
Hotel i.e. Super 8 one night split 2=20 ways           &nb= sp;   =20 25
Two day pass at=20 track           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;     =20 40
Parking at airport and track split 2=20 ways           &nb= sp;   =20 10     
 
Of course, the overall cost could be reduced if more = than two=20 people go.  
 
AirTran offers a very early Saturday morning flight = out of=20 Dulles (non stop) and a very late evening flight out of Atlanta on = Sunday (also=20 non stop).  This is a great way to catch live and in person two = full days=20 of Superbike racing.  I have been to Road Atlanta, and the track is = one of=20 the best around.  Feel free to EMail me or call me at (703) = 550-7226 (H) or=20 (540) 659-1555 (W) if interested or if you need more = details.
          &nbs= p;            = ;=20
Roy D. Turner, = Esq.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE723C.BA181FE0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 21:08:57 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07574 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup110.idsonline.com [209.136.96.110]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA10193 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:08:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Yamaha GTS 1000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:09:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be7276$b7b8c6c0$6e6088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you all want to see at least 2 94s in the same place, then stop by Coleman's on Saturday around 1:30 or 2. I will be there with mine (hopefully) and another will be there with his...hopefully. We are not going there to buy or anything else, but it seems like a good place to meet....even if you can't stand the place. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 21:32:05 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07972 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.3] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A68766F0132; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:23:03 EST Message-ID: <36F308B4.62A17E14@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:32:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BilZ42@XXXXXX CC: ldrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, COG@XXXXXX Subject: Re: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BilZ42@XXXXXX wrote: > After that, you'll see Gold Wings with > lift axles so they can scale legally. You mean Gold Wings don't have to stop and use the truck scales NOW? Wow, amazing. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now. 1998 Kawasaki Concours - The Wife's Bike From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 23:37:57 1999 Return-Path: RSmith4034@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09978 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:37:56 -0500 (EST) From: RSmith4034@XXXXXX Received: from RSmith4034@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id gNHSa03692; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:30:53 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:30:53 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, BilZ42@XXXXXX Cc: ldrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, COG@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 In a message dated 3/19/99 6:35:48 PM, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: <> Is this true??? wow is right, I can shave a lot of time off my run times now--yyyyaaaaaa!! Ron From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 19 23:42:22 1999 Return-Path: buczkomt@XXXXXX Received: from gdi4.gdi.net (root@XXXXXX [209.26.2.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10063 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from canuslupus (usr5b-09.gdi.net [209.26.37.137]) by gdi4.gdi.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03398; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:45:45 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:44:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE7262.666C7D20.buczkomt@gdi.net> From: "Michael T. Buczkowski" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , LDRider List Cc: DC Cycles List , COG Subject: RE: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:30:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 42 TEXT Just show up before 1:00 PM and tell the officer I haven't been driving more than thirteen hours today. Mike B. '94 ST1100 (1200 miles in 23:58 hours, high temp was maybe 40F and the lows caused frost on the whole bike during one stop) -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 9:49 AM To: LDRider List Cc: DC Cycles List; COG Subject: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law Leon Begeman pointed out this lovely law the State of Virginia (the same state that prohibits radar-detectors) has on the books. I wonder of other states have similar laws? Kind of makes it a tad risky going up to a police officer to get a signature on your just-completed IronButt Association ride, doesn't it? http://leg1.state.va.us ? 46.2-812 Driving more than thirteen hours in twenty-four prohibited No person shall drive any motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth for more than thirteen hours in any period of twenty-four hours or for a period which, when added to the time such person may have driven in any other state, would make an aggregate of more than thirteen hours in any twenty-four-hour period. The provisions of this section, however, shall not apply to the operation of motor vehicles used in snow or ice control or removal operations or similar emergency situations. No owner of any vehicle shall cause or permit it to be driven in violation of this section. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) - "I must be a criminal" horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 20 09:10:43 1999 Return-Path: okan1262@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21892 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-36-161.s161.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com (207-172-36-161.s161.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.36.161]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11447; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:15:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.erols.com: 207-172-36-161.s161.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.36.161] didn't use HELO protocol Message-ID: <36F3A92F.7B11@erols.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:57:04 -0500 From: Okan Seremetoglu Reply-To: okan1262@XXXXXX Organization: The American University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04GoldC-DH397 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Ray Subject: Re: What's this IQC thing? References: <19990312184250.26885.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray wrote: > > Never heard of it, what is it and how does it work? > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ICQ is a program that you can dowload from mirabilis.com. It makes you create a list of users who have the ICQ program and it shows whoever in your list is online when you are online so you can send messages to each other instantly. Sort of like a chat program. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 20 15:26:36 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net ([199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27586 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-129.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.129]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA03499; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:24:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903202024.PAA03499@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:22:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: 1994 K75 for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A neighborhood friend of mine is selling his BMW, in case anyone's interested. I believe he's the original owner, but the bike's immaculate in any case. He's got all service records, has been a regular at Bob's, blah, blah... 1994 BMW K75 Black 6900 miles BMW saddlebags Asking $4,800. Please call Joe Hauser direct at 410-276-2688, or you can email him at jhauser@XXXXXX. Cheers, MET ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 20 16:13:06 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28370 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md13.idsonline.com [209.136.97.13]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA24523 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:12:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: LDRider: VA anti-endurance law Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:14:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be7316$9aaf3140$0d6188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36F308B4.62A17E14@tidalwave.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > You mean Gold Wings don't have to stop > and use the truck scales NOW? Wow, amazing. :) No but Valkarie Interstates do. Man those things are huge. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 20 17:39:04 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29769 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:39:01 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA01165; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:38:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903202238.RAA01165@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: What's this IQC thing? To: okan1262@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:38:54 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, raymondlucas@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36F3A92F.7B11@erols.com> from "Okan Seremetoglu" at Mar 20, 99 08:57:04 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Ray wrote: > > > > Never heard of it, what is it and how does it work? > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ICQ is a program that you can dowload from mirabilis.com. It makes you > create a list of users who have the ICQ program and it shows whoever in > your list is online when you are online so you can send messages to each > other instantly. Sort of like a chat program. > Mirabilis was purchased by AOL last year. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 21 01:33:57 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00341 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA10856 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.26.11] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A58E174E011C; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:20:46 EST Message-ID: <36F467C1.67E1DF92@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:30:09 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mark E. Truelove" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 1994 K75 for sale References: <199903202024.PAA03499@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, that bike isn't gonna last long at that price. Anyone want to float me a short-term loan? :) Dale Mark E. Truelove wrote: > > 1994 BMW K75 > Black > 6900 miles > BMW saddlebags > > Asking $4,800. > > Please call Joe Hauser direct at 410-276-2688, or you can email him at > jhauser@XXXXXX. > > Cheers, > > MET > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ > 1992 VFR750 (The Crow) 1985 VF500 ('Kitty) 1972 CB350 (In Hibernation) > ============================================================================ -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now. 1998 Kawasaki Concours - The Wife's Bike From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 21 15:12:17 1999 Return-Path: lstansbu@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04902 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-196-116-21.bellatlantic.net [151.196.116.21]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16427; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:14:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36F52820.B10F8CA@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:10:56 -0200 From: leslie stansbury Reply-To: lstansbu@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@widgetworks-com Subject: FOR SALE - 82 YAMAHA MAXIM 550 - ANYONE INTERESTED? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Need some help folks. My Son bought a new Suzie 1500 Intruder, and now has a "surplus" bike for sale. Someone else was interested, but changed his mind. Never even saw it. Now, it's back on the market. The bike is in excellent shape. It has a fairing/windshield, engine guards, extra parts, including a set of forks with the front wheel attached, a rear wheel, lots of little extra parts. Has about 8K on the speedometer. He is asking $1000.00 OBO for it. If you are interested, call 410-437-8717 and ask for Charles. Tell him "dad" sent ya. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 21 15:49:53 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05469 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-87-14.s14.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.87.14]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03091 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:55:03 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Dual Sport/KLR250 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002301be73dc$b55071a0$b42daccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I went out to WV yesterday and picked up my new ride. It's a little beat up and definitely neglected, but it does run. Now, I have to re-learn how to kick start a bike :-) If anyone has a KLR250, I need a little info as I got no documentation with it (like owner's manual). Whoopee! LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 21 15:59:36 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05616 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:59:35 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2JEOa01939; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:57:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19ca012d.36f55d41@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:57:37 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: VF\VFR Engine Swaps Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Perhaps someone can answer this question for me: What engines will easily swap into an '83 VF750 frame? I'm thinking any 750/700 engine from '83 to '86....am I right? And, if these engines will swap, what differences might I encounter? Thanks for any and all help. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 21 16:30:09 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06181 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:30:08 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2YBGa13430 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:29:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:29:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Vanson Leather pants Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Who had these for sale? Accidentally dumped the message. Thanks, Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 21 18:05:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07766 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06634 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA08982 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-99-91.s91.tnt13.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com (207-172-99-91.s91.tnt13.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.99.91]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01922 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:05:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903212305.SAA01922@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:11:01 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: I'm back If anyone missed me, I am back. During the ski season was too busy to keep up with the list. I am done skiing for the winter so I will have some time to read the messages again. Today was nasty. My wife and I rode in the JK Memorial 100 sponsored by Heyser's Cycle. The Poker Run was to raise money for John Knutsen's(?) family. A lot of money was raised by people stopping off and paying to ride, and then leaving. It is good to see bikers getting together to help other bikers. To my knowledge, there was only 4 bikes to complete the run (it was ugly and wet in this rain). My wife drew the winning hand and now has a summer helmet. We were planning on buying her one any ways, so it was a good prize. She drew a straight! My Heyser matched all the money we raised. Overall, the event was a success. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen '97 Shadow ACE 1100 '78 Suzuki GS400 ABATE/MRF/AMA From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 21 21:42:30 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA11166 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md61.idsonline.com [209.136.97.61]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA15499 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:41:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: I'm back Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:43:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be740d$c7014a60$3d6188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <199903212305.SAA01922@smtp3.erols.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > To my knowledge, there was only 4 bikes to complete the run > (it was ugly and wet in this rain). My wife drew the Several of the folks who were there are also members of the Ride For Kids Task Force and we had a meeting today in the middle of the afternoon....probably why they didn't stay. > winning hand and now has a summer helmet. What is a summer helmet? Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 02:56:59 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA04747 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-111-216.s216.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com (207-172-111-216.s216.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.111.216]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA19723 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:56:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903220756.CAA19723@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "Dc-Cycles" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 03:01:58 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <000d01be740d$c7014a60$3d6188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: I'm back On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:43:33 -0500, Henry S. Winokur wrote: >> To my knowledge, there was only 4 bikes to complete the run >> (it was ugly and wet in this rain). My wife drew the > >Several of the folks who were there are also members of the Ride For Kids >Task Force and we had a meeting today in the middle of the >afternoon....probably why they didn't stay. I don't blame you. It was nuts to do the ride. It took us 3.5 hours. >> winning hand and now has a summer helmet. > >What is a summer helmet? It's a 3/4 helmet. Her other one is a full face. As long as they make me wear one, I'll stick with my half helmet (but I see this topic has been covered again, recently....). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen '97 Shadow ACE 1100 '78 Suzuki GS400 ABATE/MRF/AMA From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 09:23:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11557 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16950 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18132 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA18596; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:22:36 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990322142302.LOND17928@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:23:02 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Marvin Heilesen" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: I'm back Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:21:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be746f$3d01e9c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199903212305.SAA01922@smtp3.erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > To my knowledge, there was only 4 bikes to complete the run > (it was ugly and wet in this rain). My wife drew the > winning hand and now has a summer helmet. We were planning > on buying her one any ways, so it was a good prize. She > drew a straight! Hmmm, summer helmet ;) Ride safe, and see ya down the road! Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 10:16:03 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12512 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA28279 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:12:04 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Mike Troutman" , Subject: RE: Sweet! Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:12:25 -0500 Message-ID: <005b01be7476$64611700$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990319112725.025a6df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Phone books go in with the newspapers. Batteries.... I leave 'em behind pep boys:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 10:42:11 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12939 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:41:31 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:41:26 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:37:50 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 96 VFR for Sale (fwd) -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Todd, Merely a comment on the fact that a majority of punk-owned sport bikes show evidence of "going down the road sparky" on at least one side. Ref my earlier post on Gpz 550 vs. 1100 used market. Joe >>> "Todd Peer" - 3/19/99 9:17 AM >>> > I agree with Glenn. I'm 36 and still flog the hell out of whatever I > ride, > but then I ride Hondas. > > Todd > > Ah yes--those impervious-to-pavement-rash Hondas. :-} > > Joe The comment was directed at how well Hondas are built, since we were speaking of the concept of "Adult Owned". Not whether they'd crack up on pavement like most bikes would. I got your smiley, but I hope you don't think that after many years of riding I haven't learned anything about keeping upright. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 11:58:57 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14435 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13544 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:58:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:58:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: DC area VTR with MAXX exhaust? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I understand there's someone local with a MAXX exhaust on their VTR. I would very much like to check one of these out live and in person. If it's your bike or know who's it is would you mind contacting me? Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 11:58:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14431 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18664 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21286 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:57:51 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id pTJYa26762; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:57:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63facab1.36f6765e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:57:02 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Need Stock TLR rear and Suzuki Fairing fasteners Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 I need a stock rear fairing for a 98 TLR in yellow and black. Or, if anyone has the Solo Tail, let me know. Also, I need about 10 fairing bolts with the hex head and the fasteners that hold onto the bolts. If you got em, adn dont need em, let me know. Thanks. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 12:11:18 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14640 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:11:04 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: cars and bikes.. Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:10:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Ok, since I can't really get out on my bike and enjoy the nice days.. I decided to take the loaner car I have and open the sun-roof, roll down the windows and do the best I could. Problem is, that taking corners where I'm 'enjoying' myself was so close to the edge of the vehicles cability, I wasn't having fun so much as scaring myself. Sliding the damn thing this way and that, wondering if I was going to dump it in a ditch.. or what. With a bike, I wouldn't be that near the edge of the vehicles ability, and having a heck of a lot more fun to boot. *sigh* and I have 5 more weeks of this crap to look forward to? Joy of joys.. Maybe I'll head over to Dave and Busters.. see how good I can get on the Manx TT superbike game... Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 13:16:24 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15852 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA29131; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:16:16 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA13884; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:16:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:16:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mr. Daytona at MO Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is a short interview with Scott Russell in the daily news section of http://www.motorcycle.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 13:42:05 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web311.yahoomail.com (web311.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.107]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16332 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:42:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990322184243.28820.rocketmail@web311.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.180.60.108] by web311.yahoomail.com; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:42:43 PST Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Mr. Daytona at MO To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Man..beat me too it ;-) I was just about to post about the blurb as well as note the interesting controvery over how some guy named Doran ended up with Duhamel's winning SS bike. However, I did note that in the Phoenix round of racing, Doran was back on his Suzuki, so somehting may have transpired over the weekend between him, the AMA, and Honda... Collin --- "Hugh A. Caldwell" wrote: > > There is a short interview with Scott Russell in > the daily news section of http://www.motorcycle.com. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 13:48:06 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16438 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA06389; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:48:01 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA00271; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:48:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:48:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle song Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've uploaded an mp3 version of Lou Reed's song "New Sensations" in which he sings about his Gpz to my website. I've had some problems downloading the song with Netscape but it worked fine with IE. If you download the file it should be 5,494,728 bytes. http://www.concentric.net/~turnip ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 13:59:45 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16650 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A108D890118; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:50:48 EST Message-ID: <36F692FA.2F226504@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:59:06 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mr. Daytona at MO References: <19990322184243.28820.rocketmail@web311.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan wrote: > so somehting may have transpired over the weekend between him, the > AMA, and Honda... Geez! I almost liked the AMA better when they were fighting helmet laws... :( I hope y'all can forgive me if I don't renew my AMA membership this year. Those folks are too messed up for me. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 14:42:03 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17415 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id ACEB3001CA; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:41:31 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990322144207.01873010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:42:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Mr. Daytona at MO In-Reply-To: <36F692FA.2F226504@tidalwave.net> References: <19990322184243.28820.rocketmail@web311.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:59 PM 3/22/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Geez! I almost liked the AMA better when they were >fighting helmet laws... :( > >I hope y'all can forgive me if I don't renew my AMA membership this >year. Those folks are too messed up for me. >Dale Well, if you do, please be sure they know why you left. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 14:49:14 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17566 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:34:51 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:38:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Burger, Donald" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Mr. Daytona at MO Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:38:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Don't get upset with the AMA on this one. If the AMA stepped in and did something about Mr. Doran and the Daytona winning Honda they would have done the right thing, for a change. Just my $.02 Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 2:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: Burger, Donald > Subject: Re: Mr. Daytona at MO > > Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > so somehting may have transpired over the weekend between him, the > > AMA, and Honda... > > Geez! I almost liked the AMA better when they were > fighting helmet laws... :( > > I hope y'all can forgive me if I don't renew my AMA membership this > year. Those folks are too messed up for me. > > Dale > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 17:18:12 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20103 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA28391 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:17:13 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:17:12 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:54:49 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: old batteries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Advance Auto Parts takes all the dead batteries you wanna give 'em, no hassle. Used oil too. Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 17:19:25 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20113 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:19:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQghrt16229 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525673C.007ACBC3 ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:21:15 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525673C.007AC9FA.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:12:23 -0500 Subject: Non-Moto Sick Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thanks to everyone who wrote to say "get well" to Tom. He's now at home...feeling better but not all the way yet... maybe we need to plop him on the back of my bike(?) ; ) hee hee - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 19:02:15 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21901 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:02:14 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hAVQa00460; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:01:37 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:01:37 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cars and bikes.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 3/22/99 12:17:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Maybe I'll head over to Dave and Busters.. see how good I can get on the Manx TT superbike game... Brian >> Sounds like a plan to me. :-) Whip the snot out of those punk kids who think they know how to ride. Oops, sorry, that's half of this list. hehe Forget I said that. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 19:13:09 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22076 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:13:08 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id qVQDa07227; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:07:48 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <894eb647.36f6db54@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:07:48 EST To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Non-Moto Sick Update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 3/22/99 5:25:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX writes: << maybe we need to plop him on the back of my bike(?) ; ) hee hee - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >> I don't know. Would that make him feel better or worse? :-) Hope he's in good enough shape for the wedding. Or should we have someone there to hold him upright? hehe Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 19:23:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22414 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24261 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA01120 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:23:26 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vSSJa24800 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:21:13 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:21:13 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cars and bikes.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 3/22/99 7:11:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << Sounds like a plan to me. :-) Whip the snot out of those punk kids who think they know how to ride. Oops, sorry, that's half of this list. hehe Forget I said that. Scooter >> Easy there, Crash... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 22 21:38:09 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24798 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s41.wizard.net [206.161.15.71]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA30316 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:38:05 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: DC Area Riders Web Page Updated Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be74d6$99528ce0$4f0fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I've been busy updating the calendar section with tons of upcoming motorcycle events, pulled from the Motorcycle Times magazine. I didn't realize just how many events there are! :-) For those new to the list, you can access this Yahoo! club at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders If you do not already have a Yahoo! ID you will need one to access the calendar and other areas. It does involve answering a few questions, and providing a valid email address. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me! Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 06:13:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA04131 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA01498 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA08458 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-53-22.s22.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.53.22]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA15489 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:13:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009001be7537$0845dd40$a72caccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: In Search Of 70s Moto Guzzi with disc brakes Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:11:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hello. I have a friend that interested in buying a Moto Guzzi circa early 70s with disk brakes. Does anyone know where he could find a bike like that in this area? Any leads would be welcome. :-) My friend has searched the ads on the Internet and found the one below, but probably won't get it because it has drum brakes. The thought of changing out the drum brakes crossed his mind but that job would require more time and money than he wants to spend. You can see the 1971 drum braked bike that caught his eye at: http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P76+C18+R90463 - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (disk brakes and happy about it!) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 07:57:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05810 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA02306 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09099 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AFC277A00B6; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:57:38 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990323075421.01822c60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:00:16 -0500 To: "Ursulina Viteri" , "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: In Search Of 70s Moto Guzzi with disc brakes In-Reply-To: <009001be7537$0845dd40$a72caccf@ursulina> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:11 AM 3/23/99 , Ursulina Viteri wrote: >I have a friend that interested in buying a Moto Guzzi circa early 70s with >disk brakes. Does anyone know where he could find a bike like that in this >area? Any leads would be welcome. :-) I'm not sure Guzzi put disc brakes on their bikes in the '70's. I recommend asking around to learn about Guzzi's. A quick AltaVista search showed a couple promising links -- http://robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu/~paulos/MOTO/motoi.html http://pshp08.psi.ch/~guus/guz.html Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 09:49:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07839 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03374 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10700 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:49:39 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vFOYa28778; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:49:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:49:30 EST To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cars and bikes.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/22/1999 7:29:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX writes: << << Sounds like a plan to me. :-) Whip the snot out of those punk kids who think they know how to ride. Oops, sorry, that's half of this list. hehe Forget I said that. Scooter >> Easy there, Crash... ;-) >> I never said that I was in the half that knew how to ride. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 09:51:11 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07919 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA12399 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA04205; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:50:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903231450.JAA04205@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:52:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) I posted this last night, but never saw it on a digest nor did I get a response so I am reposting. I am changing the oil in my '99 and went to the local shop and all they had was 20w-50 in stock. I planned on changing it with 10w-40. The salesman said 20w-50 would be fine and would not make a difference. I live in Virginia where the average temps right now are between 28 F and 60 F, and will probably end up between 50 F and 80 F, before my next oil change. What is the wisdom of the list on the oil weights. I hope I have not started an oil thread, just looking for some wisdom from those who know more than I do (99% of you). Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 11:03:31 1999 Return-Path: GoddardJ@XXXXXX Received: from imc.nih.gov (imc.nih.gov [128.231.90.85]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09179 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by imc.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: <150E0C699586D211953900A0C9A9D8DF33E01D@csr.csr.nih.gov> From: "Goddard, Jay (CSR)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hello and advice on used bike pricing Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:02:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hey!! I am back on the list after being in and out of work after a run in with a deer on my hawk ten months ago. I have a new project what would be a fair price for a well running 20k-ish miles good brakes, chain, tires, MD inspected, Interceptor 500 with rough bodywork (3 out of 10). Also if you know anybody let me know. It feels good to be back! Jay Goddard 98 Triumph T-595 89 Honda Hawk From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 11:24:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09502 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04736 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12361 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Speed traps Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:24:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Check this out: http://www.speedtrap.com Mitch Holmes 1986 Honda Magna From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 11:25:32 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09510 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA02826 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A06A90C0118; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:25:14 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990323103436.01803f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:37:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! In-Reply-To: <199903231450.JAA04205@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:52 AM 3/23/99 , Danny Thompson wrote: >I am changing the oil in my '99 and went to the local shop and all >they had was 20w-50 in stock. I planned on changing it with 10w-40. >The salesman said 20w-50 would be fine and would not make a >difference. I live in Virginia where the average temps right now are >between 28 F and 60 F, and will probably end up between 50 F and >80 F, before my next oil change. What is the wisdom of the list on >the oil weights. Either would probably be okay. The 20W-50 will be a little thick when starting the engine on a cold morning, the 10W-40 will be a little thin for the hot days. I'd probably just go with 20W-50 and let the engine warm for an extra minute before riding on a cold morning. Safest is to check your owner's manual and follow their recommendations, even if it means changing your oil again when the weather warms up more. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 12:24:59 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10578 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:22:36 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F538233@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:22:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Of course if you run synthetic this is not an issue. Glenn >Either would probably be okay. The 20W-50 will be a little thick when >starting the engine on a cold morning, From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 13:35:39 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11830 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15029 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA14963; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903231837.NAA14963@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:37:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: BMW K75 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Does anyone know where I can find information out about this bike? ('94 BMW K75) Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 13:49:25 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12012 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA19947 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A2291D102A6; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:49:13 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990323135643.01000370@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:57:34 -0500 To: "Danny Thompson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: BMW K75 In-Reply-To: <199903231837.NAA14963@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.ibmwr.org has a lot. Chris Norloff At 01:37 PM 3/23/99 , Danny Thompson wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find information out about this bike? >('94 BMW K75) > >Thanks, > >Danny >'99 VFR >'93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 14:07:33 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12325 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A6709D0208; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:07:28 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990323141147.017ff370@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:14:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Sidecar drivers interested in parade? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, not sure if there's any sidecar drivers on this list other than myself, but I'd like to get some sidecars into the Falls Church, Virginia, Memorial Day parade. Not sure exactly what we'd do, but drive a few patterns like ovals and figure-8's, fly the car a little, and toss candy to the kids watching the parade. Anyone interested, who has three wheels on the ground? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 14:19:22 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12489 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:18:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sidecar drivers interested in parade? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:18:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) sidecar racing? heh.. let Collin and I have a shot at it.. I'll be the monkey... *grin* Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 14:40:09 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12853 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id ABFA67602A0; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:31:06 EST Message-ID: <36F7EDEA.23780F4C@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:39:22 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Sidecar drivers interested in parade? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian sometimes forgets how big and tall he is. He'd be the ape. :) McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > sidecar racing? heh.. let Collin and I have a shot at it.. I'll be > the monkey... *grin* -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 15:01:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13295 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07729 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19127 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 618 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:01:45 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990323150029.014d9d40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:01:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: y2k compliance NON MOTO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you are interested, I am gathering all of the relevant patches and posting them on our ftp server for various offices to use. ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/pub/y2k/ All of the win95, 98, NT and office patches are there if you were looking for them. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 15:29:32 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13751 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09127 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:28:52 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B1058949@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Y2K PRACTICAL TIP Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:28:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain And for those of us even lazyer than applying the patches..... ;-) he he he Looks like my emails will be time stamped 1972 next year! lol Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Aurand, David CDR > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 2:42 PM > To: MSC-UNIT > Subject: FW: Y2K PRACTICAL TIP > > Something to keep in mind as the day draws closer...... > > > > > I received this information from a Y2K expert at work. The year > > 1972 is in fact a mirror image of 2000>> > > > > If your VCR doesn't work in the year 2000, do not throw > > it away. Set it on year 1972, because the days will be the > > same as year 2000. Pass it on, because you know the > > manufacturers won't share this information with > > you. They want you to buy a new one! > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 17:44:40 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16207 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:44:39 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id cWKMa13434; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:37:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <590ab943.36f817ad@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:37:33 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Y2K PRACTICAL TIP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 And for those of us even LAZIER, just leave the think blinking 12:00. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/23/99 3:38:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << And for those of us even lazyer than applying the patches..... ;-) he he he Looks like my emails will be time stamped 1972 next year! lol Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Aurand, David CDR > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 2:42 PM > To: MSC-UNIT > Subject: FW: Y2K PRACTICAL TIP > > Something to keep in mind as the day draws closer...... > > > > > I received this information from a Y2K expert at work. The year > > 1972 is in fact a mirror image of 2000>> > > > > If your VCR doesn't work in the year 2000, do not throw > > it away. Set it on year 1972, because the days will be the > > same as year 2000. Pass it on, because you know the > > manufacturers won't share this information with > > you. They want you to buy a new one! > > >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 20:49:02 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19353 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:34:48 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Sidecar drivers interested in parade? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:35:29 -0500 Message-ID: <00af01be7596$99c94040$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990323141147.017ff370@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Possibly. Depends on whether or not I get the hack hooked up to the Wing in time and have enough practice under my belt. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 22:31:50 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21198 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup124.idsonline.com [209.136.96.124]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA02992 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:31:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be75a7$06d58f80$7c6088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199903231450.JAA04205@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I am changing the oil in my '99 and went to the local shop and all > they had was 20w-50 in stock. I planned on changing it with 10w-40. > The salesman said 20w-50 would be fine and would not make a > difference. I live in Virginia where the average temps right now are > between 28 F and 60 F, and will probably end up between 50 F and > 80 F, before my next oil change. What is the wisdom of the list on > the oil weights. I believe that the true wisdom is following the manufacturer's recommendations. After all they do spend millions of $$ on R&D, and I, for one, think that they probably do know what they are talking about when it comes to the type of oil to use. So the answer could well be: RTFM (read the owner's manual). IF you don't have one, then get one, though if your bike was new or well taken care of used, you should have gotten a copy of the owner's manual. I also prefer synthetic to non synthetic. It simply is better. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 22:31:46 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21195 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup124.idsonline.com [209.136.96.124]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA02983 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:31:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: old batteries Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:33:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be75a7$04bdfa20$7c6088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You gonna tell us where this place is? Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [mailto:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; gixer_racer@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: old batteries > > > Advance Auto Parts takes all the dead batteries you wanna give 'em, no > hassle. Used oil too. > > Joe > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 23:02:36 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21695 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-161.s34.as3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.161]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05060; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:02:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903240402.XAA05060@smtp1.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: , Subject: Re: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:06:59 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all who responded to my post, even those who responses were a little "warm". :) I don't think I did a very good job of asking the question. The owner's manual states that I should make my 1st oil change at 600 miles and the 2nd at 8000 miles and then every 8000 miles thereafter. I wouldn't consider this acceptable for my cage let alone my VFR. Since I don't believe this is wise, I am changing it at 300 miles and again at 1000, and then every 3000 - 4000 miles. My question had to do with changing from 10 W40 to 20 W50 on the 1st change at the time of year that it is. I read my owner's manual and it recommends 10 W40, SF or SG, Pro Honda GN4 and then it says, "Other viscosities shown in the following chart may be used ....(20 W50 is one of the ones shown). It also says, "Your motorcycle does not need oil additives. Use the recommended oil.; Do not use oils with graphite or molybdenum additives. They adversely affect clutch operation.; Do not use non-detergent, vegetable, or castor based racing oils." No Pledge or WD 40 either. :( I decided to go ahead with the 20 W50 since summer is just around the corner (it is, it is, it is). I will just make sure I give the engine a little more warm-up time and make sure I put it in the basement on the colder nights. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ---------- > From: Henry S. Winokur > To: Dc-Cycles > Subject: RE: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 10:33 PM > > > I am changing the oil in my '99 and went to the local shop and all > > they had was 20w-50 in stock. I planned on changing it with 10w-40. > > The salesman said 20w-50 would be fine and would not make a > > difference. I live in Virginia where the average temps right now are > > between 28 F and 60 F, and will probably end up between 50 F and > > 80 F, before my next oil change. What is the wisdom of the list on > > the oil weights. > > I believe that the true wisdom is following the manufacturer's > recommendations. After all they do spend millions of $$ on R&D, and I, for > one, think that they probably do know what they are talking about when it > comes to the type of oil to use. So the answer could well be: RTFM (read > the owner's manual). IF you don't have one, then get one, though if your > bike was new or well taken care of used, you should have gotten a copy of > the owner's manual. I also prefer synthetic to non synthetic. It simply is > better. > > Henry S. Winokur > '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 > AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor > West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 23 23:54:03 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22517 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr50-dialup119.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.196.121]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35316) with SMTP id <0F9300C691L1BF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:53:29 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:53:51 +0000 From: Jon Subject: Re: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00d101be7588$69900200$79c43ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Danny, if you want to run 40w, mix the 20w50 with 10w30. I mix half of each because the oil I use doesn't make a 40w. I might be a little anal, but you really don't have to do it that way. The 20w50 will be fine if it's full synthetic. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 06:24:40 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00375 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:24:38 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id nZEAa07851; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:23:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <729c3ddb.36f8cb41@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:23:45 EST To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/23/99 11:08:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: << I decided to go ahead with the 20 W50 since summer is just around the corner (it is, it is, it is). I will just make sure I give the engine a little more warm-up time and make sure I put it in the basement on the colder nights. >> The effectiveness of low -viscosity oils is at inititial start-up not after warm-up. Warming up your bike longer will be of litlle benefit. You really should use a 5 or 10 weight oil as the bulk of engine wear occurs at initial start-up when there is no oil coating the parts ,the lower the oil viscosity the sooner the parts get covered by oil. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 06:45:41 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00765 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:43:35 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F53824B@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:43:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I would tend to argue with you plenty if we were talking about cages... Some of those owners manuals say to use oils as thin as 5W-30. And the only reason they use oils that thin is to meet fuel economy standards. IMO 10W30 and 5W30 are too thin for ANY engine. I find it interesting that bike manufactures actually recommend 10W-40. Car manufactures stopped recommending that weight years ago because of all the polymers it takes in the oil to make a range that wide. Of course synthetics don't apply here either. Glenn > I am changing the oil in my '99 and went to the local shop and all > they had was 20w-50 in stock. I planned on changing it with 10w-40. > The salesman said 20w-50 would be fine and would not make a > difference. I live in Virginia where the average temps right now are > between 28 F and 60 F, and will probably end up between 50 F and > 80 F, before my next oil change. What is the wisdom of the list on > the oil weights. I believe that the true wisdom is following the manufacturer's recommendations. After all they do spend millions of $$ on R&D, and I, for one, think that they probably do know what they are talking about when it comes to the type of oil to use. So the answer could well be: RTFM (read the owner's manual). IF you don't have one, then get one, though if your bike was new or well taken care of used, you should have gotten a copy of the owner's manual. I also prefer synthetic to non synthetic. It simply is better. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 08:20:20 1999 Return-Path: fastlanecycles@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02217 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from fastlanecycles.erols.com (207-172-117-17.s17.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.117.17]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29389 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:20:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903241320.IAA29389@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Rick Beggs" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: MECHANIC NEEDED Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:20:15 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit looking for full time motorcycle mechanic Rick Beggs Fast Lane Cycles 4215-B Walney Road Chantilly, VA 20151 fastlanecycles@XXXXXX http://www.fastlanecycles.com Tel: 703-818-8890 (OIIIIIIIO) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 08:32:16 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02380 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A9595790260; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:32:12 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990324082142.00f23df0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:22:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Cell phones in cars, by NHTSA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An Investigation of the Safety Implications of Wireless Communications in Vehicles http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/research/wireless/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 08:32:16 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02379 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A95C5790260; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:32:12 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990324081623.00f24400@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:19:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: Y2K PRACTICAL TIP In-Reply-To: <590ab943.36f817ad@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Boy, that is REALLY lazy. A little piece of black electrical tape doesn't take long at all to apply. :-) Chris Norloff At 05:37 PM 3/23/99 , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >And for those of us even LAZIER, just leave the think blinking 12:00. ;-) > >Scooter > >In a message dated 3/23/99 3:38:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, >cfagan@XXXXXX writes: > ><< And for those of us even lazyer than applying the patches..... ;-) > > he he he Looks like my emails will be time stamped 1972 next year! lol > > Collin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Aurand, David CDR > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 2:42 PM > > To: MSC-UNIT > > Subject: FW: Y2K PRACTICAL TIP > > > > Something to keep in mind as the day draws closer...... > > > > > > > > > I received this information from a Y2K expert at work. The year > > > 1972 is in fact a mirror image of 2000>> > > > > > > If your VCR doesn't work in the year 2000, do not throw > > > it away. Set it on year 1972, because the days will be the > > > same as year 2000. Pass it on, because you know the > > > manufacturers won't share this information with > > > you. They want you to buy a new one! > > > >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 08:36:39 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02469 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md18.idsonline.com [209.136.97.18]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA26286 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:36:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:37:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be75fb$85316300$126188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <199903240402.XAA05060@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The owner's manual states that I should make my 1st oil change at > 600 miles > and the 2nd at 8000 miles and then every 8000 miles thereafter. I wouldn't > consider this acceptable for my cage let alone my VFR. Since I don't > believe this is wise, I am changing it at 300 miles and again at 1000, and > then every 3000 - 4000 miles. Danny: I think you are mistaken on several things here: first of all as noted in my last post, your manufacturer has spent mucho dineros determining what is the best oil for you to use. Since the 10w40 is listed first, that makes it the best to use. I see no reason to use a heavier weight oil than what is recommended. If you think the normal grade of oil isn't up to snuff, then get an oil that is. Synthetic is the best, as far as I am concerned. A good synthetic in the proper grade will protect your engine much better than the first, second, or 16th choice of any non-synthetic. As to the change intervals: again, why do you think that the manufacturer's recommendations are wrong/off? But there is another question you should answer: how much dirty oil are you returning to the oil recycler? With synthetic, you can run much longer drain intervals so you get several benefits: 1. better lubrication, 2. not as much dirty oil having to go to the recycler (environmental advantage) 3. Cheaper in the long run...not as many changes to do. 4. Cheaper in the long run...not as much wasted time. Mind you, I'm not suggesting you switch to synthetic unless you want to pay the toll--higher initial price, with advantages noted above. I've been running synthetic in all of my vehicles since the mid 80s. I change the oil 1ce (you read it right: ONCE) per year, and have NEVER had an oil related failure. I change the filters on my cars 2x per year, and on the bike every 3000 miles, just like the manual recommends. But if you want to add dirty oil to the environment and waste your riding time and your money by changing the oil more often than is necessary, have at it. Personally, I'd rather be riding, since my riding time is limited. > at the time of year that it is. I read my owner's manual and it recommends > 10 W40, SF or SG, Pro Honda GN4 and then it says, "Other viscosities shown Then use it. Chris' recommendation, not withstanding, there is no point in using the 20w50, when the 1st choice is 10w40. Also, longer warm up time means several things: 1. More air pollution, which I'd like to see not happen. God knows the air around here is polluted enough. 2. More engine wear while the non-synthetic oil gets flowing. > in the following chart may be used ....(20 W50 is one of the ones shown). > > I decided to go ahead with the 20 W50 since summer is just around the > corner (it is, it is, it is). I will just make sure I give the engine a > little more warm-up time and make sure I put it in the basement on the > colder nights. But hey, it's your engine. You might want to ask your mechanic what he/she recommends. Mechanics seem to know what they are talking about sometimes. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 08:36:42 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02479 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md18.idsonline.com [209.136.97.18]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA26290 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:36:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be75fb$869056c0$126188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F53824B@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I would tend to argue with you plenty if we were talking about cages... > Some of those owners manuals say to use oils as thin as 5W-30. > And the only > reason they use oils that thin is to meet fuel economy standards. > IMO 10W30 > and 5W30 are too thin for ANY engine. I'm curious Glenn: are you a lubrication engineer? If not, then I can't see how you can make such a statement. I run AMSOIL 0W30 in my cars and have no problems with it...and yes, it is synthetic. And when I put it in, the mileage on my Saab 9000 went up about 10%. Not too shabby for just changing oil. However, I would NOT EVER run non-synthetic oils in any of my vehicles and that includes the snowblower. Currently I am not running synthetic in my GTS 1K, but that is only because it has been recommended to ride it upwards of 5000 and perhaps even 10K miles before changing over. But I can tell you that eventually, it will have synthetic oil in it. It simply works better. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 09:01:44 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02875 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:01:36 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:01:35 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > > As to the change intervals: again, why do you think that the > manufacturer's > recommendations are wrong/off? Obviously, your thoughts cannot be a constant for all vehicles. My 52 Chevy truck's Mfg. suggested oil change may be vastly inferior to what really needs to happen.. Same with my 87 VFR. As I wrote Danny (personal e-mail..I hate oil threads), I run Mobil 1 15-50 in my bike. Year round, with Lots of miles (I'm not quite Iron-butt material, but I'm damn close). I don't pay much mind to the number of miles that go by when determining my changes (ok, that's a lie.. I DO watch the miles.. so I know what chain/tire life I have, and Valve adjustment intervals). More, I go by feel.. I can feel my tranny getting sloppy when the oil starts to give. I start getting false neutrals, and the shifts don't feel so positive anymore. This always seems to happen about the 4k mile mark, which is when I do my valve adjustment.. so it's no big deal to drain the oil and replace it while checking my valves. With brand new vehicles.. I can understand going with their suggestions. I can also see how the oil industry is constantly changing, while your owner manual stays fixed with it's info. As with everything in life, you can't make a broad assesment of the situation and have it viable for everything.. But debate is good.. it opens eyes, and can bring enlightenment.. hope someone's learning Something from all this... Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 09:14:23 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (ww187.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.87]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03065 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28316 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 1999 14:14:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990324141411.28315.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Wed Mar 24 14:14:11 GMT 1999 Date: 24 Mar 99 09:14:11 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Re:Cell phones in cars, by NHTSA X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is one of those weird hot buttons with me. Doing ANYTHING besides driving while in a vehicle is distracting and potentially dangerous. Thi= s includes (but is not limited to): 1) eating 2) talking to a passenger (especially if you're one of those folks who ha= ve to make eye contact while speaking) 3) lighting cigar(ettes) 4) carrying children (especially if junior starts making peculiar noises = in the back) 5) changing cds/cassettes/mini-disks 6) reading maps/newspapers/books 7) watching TV!!!!!!! 8) applying makeup This list just goes on. Why is everyone so concerned with phones when al= l this other stuff goes on? Maybe it's because it so obvious. How many ti= mes have we had to deal with a distracted driver in a Mommy-van filled with w= hat appear to be screaming kids? Talking on a cell phone is no more dangerous that any of the above, it ju= st goes on longer (potentially). I concede that dialing the phone takes too= much concentration for folks who don't have auto dialers of some sort, but dia= ling while stopped seems reasonable to me. And, no, I don't work for a cell phone company. Better yet, outlaw all extraneous activity and have everyone in personal transport vehicles that only hold one person. And while you're at it, ma= ke them lightweight and have only two wheels :-) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 (no name yet) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 09:25:33 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.188]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03244 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:25:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990324142935.14759.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.180.60.187] by web306.yahoomail.com; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:29:35 PST Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:29:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! To: "Henry S. Winokur" , Dc-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Henry S. Winokur" wrote: > Danny: > > I think you are mistaken on several things here: first of all as > noted in > my last post, your manufacturer has spent mucho dineros determining > what is > the best oil for you to use. Since the 10w40 is listed first, that > makes it > the best to use. I see no reason to use a heavier weight oil than > what is > recommended. They list 10w-40 first cause it has such a wide range and is considered an all temperature oil. That way boneheads that never read the manual will at least be in the ball park of decent viscosity.... Those types also tend to not ride in extreme cold/heat, so 10w-40 is probably about right. The chart Danny referred to shows the preferred oil for various temperature ranges. For spring through fall in this area 20w-50 is an excellent choice (or 15w-50 if you use Mobil 1). The summer's around here get pretty toasty so you want as much protection as you can get. No disagreement on synthetic from me. I too prefer it; however, I'd not recommend running synthetic till after initial breakin period. The semi-exotic materials that make up cylinder liners and rings need a certain amount of friction to bed them in to each other, and running synthetic from day one can prevent the parts from seating in together and lower performance (although some might never notice). As for duration between changes, I think that's going to depend on bike usage. If someone is just a "touring" style rider and using a synthetic oil, I think that 8000 miles is not unreasonable at all. Go to the other extreme though, and the oil in my race bike is shot after two weekends of riding (about 200 miles??) I've had oil in my old streetbike break down as early as 500 miles...spark plugs too (and them things are spendy). Then again, Suzuki motors in my hands spend 90% of their lifespan between 10k and 14k rpm! And both of them have performed flawlessly on their steady diet of Mobil 1 and spark plugs. Collin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 09:38:26 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03477 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:38:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:34:30 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "LindaT" , "dc" Subject: RE: Cell phones in cars, by NHTSA Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:35:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00b601be7603$8a2347e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19990324141411.28315.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Actually, cell phones are a bit more dangerous than those other activities. Has to do with the way that the visual centers in the brain work. It takes a concious effort NOT to visualize the person you are talking to if that person isn't there. Doesn't mean that those other activities aren't dangerous; cell phones are just worse. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 09:47:49 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03678 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F538267@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'Henry S. Winokur'" , Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:45:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Let me throw the question right back at you...are you a lubricant engineer? What makes you think you can run synthetics for a longer period then dino? The oil still gets dirty which is the biggest reason to change oil, not breakdown. From everything I've seen oil usually never breaks down. That's great you got a 10% increase in fuel economy... I still say your oil is too thin. I guess time will tell for you. Glenn >answer: how much dirty oil are you returning to the oil recycler? With >synthetic, you can run much longer drain intervals so you get several >benefits: >1. better lubrication, >2. not as much dirty oil having to go to the recycler (environmental >advantage) >3. Cheaper in the long run...not as many changes to do. >4. Cheaper in the long run...not as much wasted time. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 10:15:06 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04280 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA13303; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:14:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:14:57 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: LindaT cc: dc Subject: Re:Cell phones in cars, by NHTSA In-Reply-To: <19990324141411.28315.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 24 Mar 1999, LindaT wrote: > Talking on a cell phone is no more dangerous that any of the above, it just > goes on longer (potentially). I concede that dialing the phone takes too much > concentration for folks who don't have auto dialers of some sort, but dialing > while stopped seems reasonable to me. Actually, unless they have a hands-free phone, it's worse. I will occasionally make a phone call if I'm sitting in bumper to bumper traffic (read: not moving, which is why I'm making a call... I'm bored.). I don't have a hands-free kit, so that phone is going to be stuck to one side of my head. When travelling at 70nph, these people are are not only preoccupied, they can't see out of one side. This does not seem to stop them from changing lanes (Without signalling of course - they don't have an extra hand to flip the switch). They should be ticketed for reckless driving as far as I'm concerned. Hands-free phones are different, and I agree that it's no worse than talking to the passanger (In fact, in the case of those aforementioned people who need to make eye contact to speak, it's better). More and more these types of systems are coming with the voice activated dialing, which makes them even safer. However, if they are not talented enough to know what a 3 x 4 keypad is without looking down, then I think then need to be paying more attention to the road. - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 10:19:09 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04292 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A269F5900B2; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:19:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990324102110.017d64c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:27:19 -0500 To: "dc" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Cell phones in cars, by NHTSA In-Reply-To: <00b601be7603$8a2347e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <19990324141411.28315.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think George is on the right track here. I think cell phones in cars are more dangerous than other things because of the way we use phones - we conciously tune out the immediate environment and focus on the conversation on the phone. This is a common and necessary tactic to use a phone in a busy office, a home with kids, or beside a noisy street. "Cognitive tunneling" is what it's called when you process only part of what you should process. I experienced this, in a positive way, on a long trip while listening to a book on tape. It was a really gripping story, but I found that I'd tune it out when drivers were doing something stupid around me. I'd deal with that, then realize that I'd missed something in the book on tape and rewind it. In addition, I can't help but wonder if the car driver TRYS to ignore things to avoid interrupting the phone conversation. If he's trying to make a business deal, he's focusing on the phone converstation and doesn't want anything to interrupt it (like dropping the phone or halting the conversation while looking over his shoulder for a lane change). Chris Norloff At 09:35 AM 3/24/99 , George Howell wrote: >Actually, cell phones are a bit more dangerous than those other activities. >Has to do with the way that the visual centers in the brain work. It takes a >concious effort NOT to visualize the person you are talking to if that >person isn't there. > >Doesn't mean that those other activities aren't dangerous; cell phones are >just worse. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX >"I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 10:27:29 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04438 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:27:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Cell phones in cars, by NHTSA Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:27:21 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > However, if they are not talented enough to know what a 3 x 4 > keypad is without looking down, then I think then need to be > paying more attention to the road. > > - Brian Roach > Now, all we have to do is get the telephone makers to put the freeking numbers in the same pattern as a NORMAL numberpad (the 1 on the bottom left, instead of top left) - sheesh.. how confusing. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 10:40:17 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04660 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:40:16 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQghyc11699 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525673E.00564DF7 ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:42:40 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525673E.00564CC5.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:33:16 -0500 Subject: Need for Speed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline So I take a week or so off from riding my bike...then I get back "in the saddle" & ride to work & back yesterday... JEEZUS! I forgot how much I love it! I forgot how much I love going FAST, REALLY FAST!! Never ever will I take that much time off from my bike again! I'm signing off tomorrow for about 2 weeks since I'm getting married, going on my honeymoon, etc. Ride for me, everyone! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 10:40:14 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04657 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA20879 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA27434; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:39:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903241539.KAA27434@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:42:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: oil responses, was Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Collin wrote: snip... > No disagreement on synthetic from me. I too prefer it; however, I'd not > recommend running synthetic till after initial breakin period. The > semi-exotic materials that make up cylinder liners and rings need a > certain amount of friction to bed them in to each other, and running > synthetic from day one can prevent the parts from seating in together and > lower performance (although some might never notice). This was what my question was referring to, the initial break-in period and changing from 10-40 to 20-50 during that time. I may switch to synthetic after about 8000 miles. > As for duration between changes, I think that's going to depend on bike > usage. If someone is just a "touring" style rider and using a synthetic > oil, I think that 8000 miles is not unreasonable at all. Go to the other > extreme though, and the oil in my race bike is shot after two weekends of > riding (about 200 miles??) I really don't know about the duration between changes, I have heard 3000, 5000, and the owners manual states 8000, it seems like a long time between changes for a "sport touring" ride. (some of both and some 15-20 min commutes). I guess I would rather err on the side of caution until I get past break-in and if I go that route get the synthetic in. > I've had oil in my old streetbike break down > as early as 500 miles...spark plugs too (and them things are spendy). > Then again, Suzuki motors in my hands spend 90% of their lifespan between > 10k and 14k rpm! And both of them have performed flawlessly on their > steady diet of Mobil 1 and spark plugs. > Collin From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 11:19:59 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05405 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA18799 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE75E8.11F194E0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:18:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Pool table FS (no moto content) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:18:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine has a pool table for sale. It is one of those coin-operated bar-type tables with the coin stuff taken out. He is asking $400. Contact him at eruscheinski@XXXXXX if interested. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 11:59:58 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06067 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA29304 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA09194; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:59:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903241659.LAA09194@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:02:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Gearing and Speedos Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199903241624.LAA22946@ll.mit.edu> References: <000001be7611$8f276d80$0300a8c0@coj.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) To go along with this a little bit, what is the difference and why would you do one over the other between changing the teeth on the rear vs the front sprocket? Thanks, >Who makes really good gears.. at *least* OEM quality for a 99 VFR?.. I >saw AFAM mentioned a lot, but I'm not sure if that was the final word... >where to buy at a reasonable price would be helpful as well. > > > No one. You can't get steel after market sprockets. OEM is the best > quality and only source of steel for these components. OEM is also the > only source for a front sprocket with the rubber dampening material around > it. I went with AFAM sprockets. Cheap cost. Good quality. Light weight. > And I don't need sprockets that will last 100,000 miles. > > > I'm looking to bump-up 1-2 teeth on the rear sprocket. I have no > >intentions of ever doing 150mph on this bike. I *am* an acceleration > >junkie though. > > If you weigh more than 190lbs, be happy and go 3 teeth on the rear. > > >More importantly, there were discussions in the past about speedometer > >error with it (the speedo) being engine-shaft driven. > > > >I really don't want the speedo error, but what concerns me the most is > >that I don't want my bike showing a lot more miles than it actually has. > > > > Sorry, if the 98-99's speedo's are driven the same way the 90-97's are you > will get speedo AND ODO error. No way around this. Actually the new > gauges might be electronic. You could have an electrical engineer put in > some resistors or whatever is needed to correct for the gearing change. > > Good luck! > > Chris Danny '99 VFR '93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 12:26:50 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06504 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:26:43 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: a sign? Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:24:44 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Last night I drempt of riding.. and crashing my bike. I lowised it once.. high-sided one.. and finally ran, full bore, into the side of a brick-wall.. this this is my subconcious dealing with my accident? I don't see/feel anything in my concious mind.. I wanna get back out there and Ride.. hrmmm.. wonder if I'm goinna have to deal with the sub-concious though.. of course, it could mean Nothing at all.. :P Cheers.. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 12:28:11 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06579 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA01225 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:28:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990324172852.9794.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.180.60.183] by web302.yahoomail.com; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:28:52 PST Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:28:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Gearing and Speedos To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Man, I get mail in funny order ;-( If it originated on the VFR list could you forward my response, becauese someone is WRONG! lol Ummm, beg to differ, but lots of aftermarket folks make steel sprockets. Vortex, Protek, and Sprocket Specialties (or Specialists?? can't remember which) for three. Although, if you get one of their tempered aluminums, they will last a long time too... --- Danny Thompson wrote: > To go along with this a little bit, what is the difference and why > would > you do one over the other between changing the teeth on the rear vs > the front sprocket? One tooth change in the front is generally equivolent to a three tooth change in the rear. You usually don't want to go down mroe than one tooth on the front sprocket because 1) the gearing will be low as heck and 2) supposedly the smaller diameter puts more stress on the chain and causes it to wear faster. Also with rear changes, you have a little more flexibility since a one tooth change is smaller than a 1 tooth change in the front. Also, on some bikes (newer GSXR's) your chain will rubb harder on the swing arm rub pad and wear through it quickly when you go smaller in the front... On 93-95 GSXRs (I know..doesn't help with the viffer) 3 teeth added to the rear works very well for the acceleration, and you'll still hit an indicated 155 or so on the speedo. On 96+ GSXRs 3-4 teeth gets you much better in the ball park and you'll still be able to go faster than you will ever need ;-) (No speedo on the race bike, so I have no idea how fast it goes..but without wind resistance, it hit 171 on the dyno). If I were riding it on the street I would lower the gearing even more in combos of front and rear changes. > >Who makes really good gears.. at *least* OEM quality for a 99 VFR?.. > I > >saw AFAM mentioned a lot, but I'm not sure if that was the final > word... > >where to buy at a reasonable price would be helpful as well. > > > > AFAM and I believe RK chains have a package deal in OEM sprocket sizes only. I've seen full sets for about $135 mail order. In the DC Area, try ordering from CAD up in Gaithersburgh, or my sponsor, Fast Lane Cycles out in Chantily, VA. Each of them have some of the best prices in the area. Art Crow at Rider's Accesory Warehouse also has good prices I here, but I have no experience with his shop. And I don't need sprockets that will last 100,000 miles. > > Is there such a thing as a 100k sprocket!?!?!?! On the 93, I got maybe 10K out of the steel ones I used, including OEM and maybe 15k out of the chains, but that was pushing them beyond worn out... > > > I'm looking to bump-up 1-2 teeth on the rear sprocket. I have no > > >intentions of ever doing 150mph on this bike. I *am* an > acceleration > > >junkie though. > > It's simple math to figure out how the gear ratios will effect top speed... 1-2 teeth generally will drop you less than 10mph indicated top end.... > > If you weigh more than 190lbs, be happy and go 3 teeth on the rear. > > Worked great for a 150lber too ;-) > > >More importantly, there were discussions in the past about > speedometer > > >error with it (the speedo) being engine-shaft driven. > > > > > >I really don't want the speedo error, but what concerns me the most > is > > >that I don't want my bike showing a lot more miles than it actually > has. There was talk on the GSXR list for possible ways to get around this problem, but if I recall right, none were easy or cheap. Collin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 13:08:10 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07321 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA20283; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:08:05 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA09887; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:08:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:08:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a sign? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For what it's worth I tend to dream about getting into motorcycle accidents when I haven't ridden in a while. I don't know what it means and I don't really care, I just want my RimStealth tape to show up so I can put the front wheel back on my VFR and go riding. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Last night I drempt of riding.. and crashing my bike. I lowised it once.. > high-sided one.. and finally ran, full bore, into the side of a brick-wall.. > this this is my subconcious dealing with my accident? I don't see/feel > anything in my concious mind.. I wanna get back out there and Ride.. hrmmm.. > wonder if I'm goinna have to deal with the sub-concious though.. > > of course, it could mean Nothing at all.. :P > > Cheers.. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 13:12:48 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07408 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A8FFC700CE; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:03:43 EST Message-ID: <36F92AF7.7468C25D@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:12:07 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: a sign? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What sucks for me is the instant replays constantly going through my mind after an accident, over and over again, both while awake and while sleeping. They only seem to fade with time and more riding. I'm still tensing up on blind left-handers, and it's tough getting the apex right. Sigh. Crashing sucks. Dale McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Last night I drempt of riding.. and crashing my bike. I lowised it once.. > high-sided one.. and finally ran, full bore, into the side of a brick-wall.. > this this is my subconcious dealing with my accident? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's - Definitely not a parts bike! :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 13:28:29 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07706 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:06:44 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:10:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: a sign? Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:10:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Brian, It may be something you have to deal with for a long time. When I was hit by a truck while going downhill at 35-40 mph on my bicycle. (The guy turned left straight into my path, giving me enough time to think "Oh f*ck I'm going to die!) I had nightmares about it for months. Most likely when you get back on your bike and nothing happens your sub-conscious mind will be able to let go of the whole thing. If that doesn't help, get Dianetics, by L. Ron Hubbard and free yourself of the restrictions of your reactive mind. :-) I hope I didn't offend any scientologists on the list. Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 12:57 PM > To: 'dc' > Cc: Burger, Donald > Subject: a sign? > > Last night I drempt of riding.. and crashing my bike. I lowised it > once.. > high-sided one.. and finally ran, full bore, into the side of a > brick-wall.. > this this is my subconcious dealing with my accident? I don't > see/feel > anything in my concious mind.. I wanna get back out there and Ride.. > hrmmm.. > wonder if I'm goinna have to deal with the sub-concious though.. > > of course, it could mean Nothing at all.. :P > > Cheers.. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 13:33:30 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07813 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26095 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:32:59 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B107E87F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: CBR Rear rim for sale Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:32:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: TJ Tryon, Jr. [SMTP:trident@XXXXXX] > > Just passing this along, DON'T send me questions, send them to Scott. > > TJ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-near@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-near@XXXXXX] On Behalf > > Of Scott Lilliott {75727} > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 8:36 AM > > To: near@XXXXXX > > Subject: [near] FS: Hurricane Rear Wheel and caliper > > > > > > > > I have a Honda Hurricane rear wheel with the sprocket carrier, > > damper rubbers, rear caliper and carrier. Needs a brake rotor > > and axle spacers as necessary. I guess these are being used on EX's? > > Asking $125. Email above or 978-440-2137 W: 8-5 > > > > S. > > # Scott Lilliott -- csl@XXXXXX UB #9 ENFJ SRCR > > # AMA #600897 "You don't have to live on the edge, > > # DoD #227 but you have to know where it is" - me > > # CCS #631 MSF Instr. -- VFR750 - Norton - NSR600(roadrace) > > # Protect privacy, boycott Intel: http://www.bigbrotherinside.org > > > > > To unsubscribe: EX500-request@XXXXXX > with: unsubscribe - in message body From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 13:51:50 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08179 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:51:09 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:51:02 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:54:44 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: henwin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: old batteries -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline It's a chain, like Auto Zone. Maybe you don't have 'em up there, Richmond's lousy with 'em. --Joe >>> "Henry S. Winokur" - 3/23/99 10:33 PM >>> You gonna tell us where this place is? Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [mailto:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; gixer_racer@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: old batteries > > > Advance Auto Parts takes all the dead batteries you wanna give 'em, no > hassle. Used oil too. > > Joe > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 14:00:00 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08297 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:59:19 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:59:15 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:03:02 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline As much as I hate to add to an oil thread, my 2 cents: If the manual oks 20-50, I run it year-round "down here." Beware of the new SJ-rated auto stuff--it's formulated for mileage, not protection (per Gordon Jennings). And if it makes you feel better to do changes more often than recommended, by all means, do--it certainly don't hurt. Joe >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" - 3/24/99 6:43 AM >>> I would tend to argue with you plenty if we were talking about cages... Some of those owners manuals say to use oils as thin as 5W-30. And the only reason they use oils that thin is to meet fuel economy standards. IMO 10W30 and 5W30 are too thin for ANY engine. I find it interesting that bike manufactures actually recommend 10W-40. Car manufactures stopped recommending that weight years ago because of all the polymers it takes in the oil to make a range that wide. Of course synthetics don't apply here either. Glenn > I am changing the oil in my '99 and went to the local shop and all > they had was 20w-50 in stock. I planned on changing it with 10w-40. > The salesman said 20w-50 would be fine and would not make a > difference. I live in Virginia where the average temps right now are > between 28 F and 60 F, and will probably end up between 50 F and > 80 F, before my next oil change. What is the wisdom of the list on > the oil weights. I believe that the true wisdom is following the manufacturer's recommendations. After all they do spend millions of $$ on R&D, and I, for one, think that they probably do know what they are talking about when it comes to the type of oil to use. So the answer could well be: RTFM (read the owner's manual). IF you don't have one, then get one, though if your bike was new or well taken care of used, you should have gotten a copy of the owner's manual. I also prefer synthetic to non synthetic. It simply is better. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 14:59:30 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09416 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:59:29 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id fANGa13700; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:48:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:48:43 EST To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 3/24/99 6:50:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << IMO 10W30 and 5W30 are too thin for ANY engine. >> I agree but 10-40 or 15-40 is fine. 20-40 is, IMO a little to thick on start- up even on a cold spring morning. Again an enormous percentage of engine wear occurs on start-up. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 15:18:12 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09777 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 449 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:18:05 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990324151714.01bc0230@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:18:03 -0500 To: "Donald.Burger@XXXXXX" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: a sign? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:10 PM 3/24/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Most likely when you get back on your bike and nothing happens your >sub-conscious mind will be able to let go of the whole thing. If that >doesn't help, get Dianetics, by L. Ron Hubbard and free yourself of the >restrictions of your reactive mind. :-) > >I hope I didn't offend any scientologists on the list. For a second there I thought you _were_ a scientologist. ;-o ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 16:14:31 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (root@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10717 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:14:28 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA04824; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:47:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903242047.PAA04824@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: a sign? To: Horkster@XXXXXX (Dale Horstman) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:47:29 -0500 (EST) Cc: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36F92AF7.7468C25D@tidalwave.net> from "Dale Horstman" at Mar 24, 99 01:12:07 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > What sucks for me is the instant replays constantly going > through my mind after an accident, over and over again, both > while awake and while sleeping. They only seem to fade with > time and more riding. > > I'm still tensing up on blind left-handers, and it's tough > getting the apex right. Sigh. Crashing sucks. I still have troubles going into blind right handrs, worrying what is on the road behind. Also, went through my own share of reliving through whole accident over and over, in the night or driving. One thing which helps - if I feel so, I will slow or bail out of the ride. > > Dale > > > McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > > Last night I drempt of riding.. and crashing my bike. I lowised it once.. > > high-sided one.. and finally ran, full bore, into the side of a brick-wall.. > > this this is my subconcious dealing with my accident? > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 16:20:33 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10905 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA11284 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:19:09 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990324211936.NRWT17928@[166.41.242.214]> for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:19:36 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Insurance on Enduro/Off-road Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:17:36 -0500 Message-ID: <002701be763b$bd6eb610$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal This is directed specifically at those of you who own Enduro styled motorcycles as well as street-bikes. I'd like to know what your Insurance costs for the Enduro compared to your streetbikes. Right now, I'm getting a quote for liability only that is equal to what I'm paying for the same coverage plus comprehensive on either of my street bikes. Seems a little high considering no theft/collision/etc... TIA, Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 16:27:31 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11032 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:27:30 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA25546; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:28:20 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma013189; Wed, 24 Mar 99 16:07:11 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9400EI7APDIY@XXXXXX>; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525673E.0073B2DE ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:03:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:58:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Oil ???, Oh NOOOO! To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525673E.00730C45.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL My Seca II owner's manual recommends 10W30. Yamalube comes in this weight too, so I suspect at least Yamaha thinks it's okay. Then again, maybe they're trying to increase my bike's 'planned obsolesence'. Chris Weaver Fred wrote: << IMO 10W30 and 5W30 are too thin for ANY engine. >> I agree but 10-40 or 15-40 is fine. 20-40 is, IMO a little to thick on start- up even on a cold spring morning. Again an enormous percentage of engine wear occurs on start-up. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 16:44:56 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11274 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-161.s34.as3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.161]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27255 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:44:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903242144.QAA27255@smtp1.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: Shop in Chantilly, Filter wrench Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:49:31 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need to get the name and phone number for the mc shop in Chantilly. Help please. Also, for the oil filter, is there a special wrench? The people at Blalock said they don't sell any oil filter wrenches and I was wondering if I could just get one for a car? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 17:12:13 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web311.yahoomail.com (web311.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.107]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11808 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:12:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990324221249.11713.rocketmail@web311.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.180.60.108] by web311.yahoomail.com; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:12:49 PST Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:12:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Shop in Chantilly, Filter wrench To: "D. Thompson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "D. Thompson" wrote: > I need to get the name and phone number for the mc shop in Chantilly. > Help > please. > Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818-8890 Please tell them that I referred you.... They're on Walney road just off of 50 near where it meets 28. Exact directions are on their website: http://www.fastlanecycles.com > Also, for the oil filter, is there a special wrench? There are filter wrenches made that will fit the exact oil filter, or you can use a smaller strap type wrench.... As long as you can get your hands on it, you should be able to get the filter off without the need of a wrench. IF not, either hit the gym ;-) or the dealer overtightened it.....Putting the new one on, lube the seal then tighten it firmly hand tight... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 18:03:03 1999 Return-Path: ewinslow@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12612 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (ewinslow@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24310; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:02:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:02:58 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Winslow To: Todd Peer cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance on Enduro/Off-road In-Reply-To: <002701be763b$bd6eb610$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > This is directed specifically at those of you who own Enduro styled > motorcycles as well as street-bikes. > > I'd like to know what your Insurance costs for the Enduro compared to your > streetbikes. > I just insured a '94 Kawasaki KLR650 and its insurance (coverage is the same as my other bike) is just about the same as my street bike. That bike is a '93 Suzuki GS500E. The KLR insurance is just a tad bit more than for the GS. Two companies, Bikeline and GEICO, gave me similar quotes. Eric '94 KLR650 '93 GS500E (For Sale) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 19:33:36 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14238 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:33:34 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 4GUKa29689; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:32:41 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <685dce80.36f98429@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:32:41 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Y2K PRACTICAL TIP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/24/1999 8:37:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << Boy, that is REALLY lazy. A little piece of black electrical tape doesn't take long at all to apply. :-) Chris Norloff >> Never thought of that. Thanks. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 19:49:21 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14525 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA02955; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:50:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:50:51 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Tire aspect ratio choice Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, An acquaintence has a (standard) bike with a worn out 130/70 X 18 stock rear tire. He wants to replace it with a 130/80 (more tire choices), but is concerned about handling changes. I'd guess them to be minor, but have no personal experience with this. Anyone know? thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 20:28:30 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15157 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (207-172-41-52.s52.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.41.52]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id UAA21971 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:28:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701be765f$16e17e80$3429accf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Saturday Ride Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:30:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7635.2D5BFCA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7635.2D5BFCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone interested in riding this Saturday. My buddy and I probably will = leave from the Woodbridge Virgina area around noon time. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7635.2D5BFCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone interested in riding this Saturday.  My = buddy and=20 I probably will leave from the Woodbridge Virgina area around noon=20 time.
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7635.2D5BFCA0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 20:28:41 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15167 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:28:38 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA05219; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:28:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903250128.UAA05219@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Tire aspect ratio choice To: garicao@XXXXXX (Garcia Oliver) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:28:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Garcia Oliver" at Mar 24, 99 07:50:51 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Hi, > > An acquaintence has a (standard) bike with a worn out 130/70 X 18 stock > rear tire. He wants to replace it with a 130/80 (more tire choices), but It will make tire taller; he needs to check if there is a risk that taller tire will rub somewehere. Also, it will add some inertia to driveline (larger radius, more resistance when accelerating and braking). > is concerned about handling changes. I'd guess them to be minor, but have > no personal experience with this. Anyone know? thanks. > > --garcia > Side note: just paid my bill for a new rim + 2 tires for my cage, as a result of hitting a DC pothole on Saturday night. Total bill: $750. We will see how much of it my insurance decides to pay. Potholes sucks. Big time. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 20:36:44 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15345 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA06042; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:35:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-33.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.161) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006002; Wed Mar 24 19:35:22 1999 Message-ID: <001101be765f$c66c2760$a172d9ce@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "'dc'" , "Sportster Mailing List" Subject: Motorcycle related icon Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:35:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Does anyone have some motorcycle , or motorocycle related icons... = thanx... Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 20:53:57 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15588 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA29580 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:53:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA23708 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id pQTOa20484; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:51:46 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <28e2cb3f.36f996b2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:51:46 EST To: tl1000S@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Multi-tech Body work Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Anyone ever used this company? The prices are pretty cheap compared to sharskinz. A complete set of race work is only 475 for my 98 TLR. It comes primared and all, so Im just curious if anyone has any experience using them. Thanks for the help... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 20:55:14 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15619 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:55:13 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id nEUa026763; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:47:24 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:47:24 EST To: rdt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/24/99 8:33:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, rdt@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone interested in riding this Saturday. My buddy and I probably will leave from the Woodbridge Virgina area around noon time. >> need more details, time meeting place etc. ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 21:51:57 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16604 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s39.wizard.net [206.161.15.69]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA09472 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:51:53 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: For those who like to plan ahead... Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:54:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be766a$df78cf00$450fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm planning a group ride for Saturday, April 3rd. Rain date will be Sunday, April 4th.. yeah, I know that's Easter, that's why I'm hoping for good weather on Saturday. The route is from a PARR Poker Run... Louis led the ride last July, and I finally remembered to keep the route sheets! The ride will start out from Middleburg, VA at 10:00 AM. Meeting point will be our favorite Exxon on Rte 50, on the right side as you enter town. The route sheets actually start from Cycle Sport in Springfield.. so if anyone would like to organize a group to leave from there, I can provide you with the route sheet for that first section. We could then meet up in Middleburg. The ride is about 150 miles from Middleburg, passing through Strasburg, then Winchester, and ending in Purcellville. The highlight of the ride is an "interesting" mountain crossing on Rte 600 (Back Mtn Rd) near Strasburg. Just don't look down, and watch out for the turn where they actually put a guard rail up! :-) We'll grab a late lunch in Purcellville, then head back home. This could easily be a 200+ mile ride, depending on where you are starting from. The pace for this ride will be what you want it to be. I'll lead a group of slow to moderate riders. And, I'll make plenty of copies of the route sheets.. so if you want to ride fast, bring a tank bag (or map holder of some sort)! The route sheets are very detailed with all the mileages filled in, so you don't have to worry about getting lost! :-) I'll post a confirmation message towards the end of next week.. hope to see a lot of you all there! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 24 22:57:03 1999 Return-Path: glen.farney@XXXXXX Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17580 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from snet.net (hrfr-sh15-port45.snet.net [204.60.47.45]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id WAA02707; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:56:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36F9B40B.96BA1A92@snet.net> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:56:59 -0500 From: Glen Farney Reply-To: glen.farney@XXXXXX Organization: You can help the homeless ferrets without leaving your computer ! -----> http://www.eyegive.com/html/ssi.cfm?cid=251&mid=514 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garcia Oliver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire aspect ratio choice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The "correct" answer is don't change tire size, the bike was designed for that size. The other answer would be what else do you want to do ? Changing to a 130/80 from a 130/70 will increase gearing (slower off the line, but fewer revs on the highway). It's taller, so clearance in the fender is reduced, rubbing could occur. There is far less clearance when loaded and underway than you think, look carefully. Personally, I don't think the change you suggest is unrealistic so long as the rim size is suitable for the new tire, the clearance within the fender is sufficient, and you don't mind the gearing change (you can always correct for that with sprockets anyway) Glen Garcia Oliver wrote: > An acquaintence has a (standard) bike with a worn out 130/70 X 18 stock > rear tire. He wants to replace it with a 130/80 (more tire choices), but > is concerned about handling changes. I'd guess them to be minor, but have > no personal experience with this. Anyone know? thanks. > > --garcia From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 07:36:04 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27364 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:35:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'vfr@XXXXXX'" Subject: VF\VFR Engine Swaps Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:35:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sean Jordan asked, "What engines will easily swap into an '83 VF750 frame? I'm thinking any 750/700 engine from '83 to '86....am I right? And, if these engines will swap, what differences might I encounter? Have you seen Tim Cameron's page? : '83VF750FD Interceptor/VF1000R motor "The Gimp" http://www.talent.com.au/tcd/vpage.htm http://www.talent.com.au/tcd/the_gimp.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 07:44:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27451 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06564 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA00673 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:44:35 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525673F.0045FD0E ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:44:27 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525673F.0045B3E2.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:44:23 -0500 Subject: RE: a sign? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I think you would have had to use a winking smiley face to offend them. :-) Steve If that doesn't help, get Dianetics, by L. Ron Hubbard and free yourself of the restrictions of your reactive mind. :-) I hope I didn't offend any scientologists on the list. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 09:00:09 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28645 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10QAeX-0000h8-00; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:58:33 -0500 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07830; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:00:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301be76c7$d3c73590$afc809c0@jay> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re: Shop in Chantilly, Filter wrench Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:00:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE769D.EA2C08D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE769D.EA2C08D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On my ZX9, the plumbing gets in the way of the oil filter so I can't get = a good grip on it. I found that the best solution was one of the fliter = wrenches that fit over the top of the filter like a cap. Then you = connect a socket wrench + extension to the front. I got mine at Trash Auto. They have a full range of filter "cap" style = wrenches (even small enough for the bike). Just to add my $.02 to the oil argument, Consumer Reports did a test = where they used taxi cabs and measured engine wear. They compared = synth, dino, and change intervals. On the Chevy V6s they were using, 8K = miles seemed to be the magic number where engine wear actually changed. = I suspect on a bike it would be less than that because of transmission. = There was no significant difference in wear between synth/dino. That said, I change the oil every 5K in my cages and 3K on the bike = (basically, I now go the full maximum recommended by the manufacturer). = I use a synth blend in the bike and Mobil 1 in my truck. I just use = wahtever high quality dino is on sale for the car. My truck calls for 5W30. It is one of the newer ford 4.6 V8s. All the = newer "modular" ford engines call for the same. I have researched it = pretty heavily to see why they call for such a thin oil. They claim = that the tolerances on the engine are so tight that using a heavier oil = will damage the engine. I believe it, after 15K miles my MPG actually = went up a few from the engine loosening up. Just the opposite of my old = 5.0 mustang. Jay St. Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE769D.EA2C08D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On my ZX9, the plumbing gets in the = way of the=20 oil filter so I can't get a good grip on it.  I found that the best = solution was one of the fliter wrenches that fit over the top of the = filter like=20 a cap.  Then you connect a socket wrench + extension to the=20 front.
I got mine at Trash Auto.  They = have a full=20 range of filter "cap" style wrenches (even small enough for = the=20 bike).
 
Just to add my $.02 to the oil = argument,=20 Consumer Reports did a test where they used taxi cabs and measured = engine=20 wear.  They compared synth, dino, and change intervals.  On = the Chevy=20 V6s they were using, 8K miles seemed to be the magic number where engine = wear=20 actually changed.  I suspect on a bike it would be less than that = because=20 of transmission.  There was no significant difference in wear = between=20 synth/dino.
That said, I change the oil every 5K = in my cages=20 and 3K on the bike (basically, I now go the full maximum recommended by = the=20 manufacturer).  I use a synth blend in the bike and Mobil 1 in my=20 truck.  I just use wahtever high quality dino is on sale for the=20 car.
My truck calls for 5W30.  It is = one of the=20 newer ford 4.6 V8s.  All the newer "modular" ford engines = call=20 for the same.  I have researched it pretty heavily to see why they = call for=20 such a thin oil.  They claim that the tolerances on the engine are = so tight=20 that using a heavier oil will damage the engine.  I believe it, = after 15K=20 miles my MPG actually went up a few from the engine loosening up.  = Just the=20 opposite of my old 5.0 mustang.
 
Jay St. = Peter
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE769D.EA2C08D0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 10:13:12 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckgppxy1.att.com [12.20.58.148]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29854 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA24221 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE76A8.004BE630@XXXXXX>; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:12:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Filter wrench Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:12:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My bike doesn't have an oil filter, but on cars I have always just used a giant pair of CHANNELLOCK=AE (or similar) pliers to remove stubborn filters. You're just gonna throw the filter away anyway, so who cares if you crunch it up? But DON'T use the pliers to tighten the filter on. Do as Collin says; firmly hand tighten. Besides, there are many more uses for a huge pair of pliers than there are for an oil filter wrench. My .02 Rich =20 '78 Triumph Bonneville =20 Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling Collin wrote... There are filter wrenches made that will fit the exact oil filter, or you can use a smaller strap type wrench.... As long as you can get your hands on it, you should be able to get the filter off without the need of a wrench. IF not, either hit the gym ;-) or the dealer overtightened it.....Putting the new one on, lube the seal then tighten it firmly hand tight... From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 10:25:13 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckgppxy1.att.com [12.20.58.148]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00153 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA28583 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE76A9.AA37D950@XXXXXX>; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:24:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Pool table FS (no moto content) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:24:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about that. If anyone else is interested, the correct email address for the guy selling the pool table is: eruschei@XXXXXX, and his name is Eric. Rich >-----Original Message----- >From: Crishock, Richard >Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 11:19 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Pool table FS (no moto content) > >A friend of mine has a pool table for sale. It is one of those coin-operated >bar-type tables with the coin stuff taken out. He is asking $400. > >Contact him at eruscheinski@XXXXXX if interested. > >Rich >'78 Triumph Bonneville >Scowling Street Terrors #78 >Sterling > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 10:28:09 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00239 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:27:57 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Filter wrench Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:27:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > > My bike doesn't have an oil filter, but on cars I have always > just used > a giant pair of CHANNELLOCK(r) (or similar) pliers to remove stubborn > filters. You're just gonna throw the filter away anyway, so who cares > if you crunch it up? But DON'T use the pliers to tighten the > filter on. Hell, we're men.. right (ok, some exceptions).. go get dirty. If a oil filter's stuck, and it's the external screw-on type, just pound a long screwdriver through the thing and twist it off! Argh.. argh.. arhg (best Tim Taylor impersonation). You get to break something, use a hammer and make a mess.. would could be better? (well, except a properly tightened filter to begin with).. I've done it.. so can you!! Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 12:21:58 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02306 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:21:09 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:21:06 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:25:06 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: garicao@XXXXXX, glen.farney@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire aspect ratio choice -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline There is also a very real possibility that he will notice no change whatsoever. These numbers are not absolute--a 130/80 Dunlop may be taller than a 130/70 Metzler, or it may not be. There is an enormous amount of slop in these numbers. I noticed this long ago when I wanted to replace the Crapstone, er I mean, Bridgestone on my Seca 650 with a Metzler. Both tires were marked 120/90, but the Metzler was much wider. I say, as long as the size is appropriate to your rim size, do what you want. Most of us don't have sensitive enough hineys to tell the diff between a /70 and /80, not that there's much of a real physical difference anyhow. Joe (I hope this doesn't become an all-day thread since MY choices in bikes, oils, tires and guns are the only right ones). :-) Joe >>> Glen Farney - 3/24/99 10:56 PM >>> The "correct" answer is don't change tire size, the bike was designed for that size. The other answer would be what else do you want to do ? Changing to a 130/80 from a 130/70 will increase gearing (slower off the line, but fewer revs on the highway). It's taller, so clearance in the fender is reduced, rubbing could occur. There is far less clearance when loaded and underway than you think, look carefully. Personally, I don't think the change you suggest is unrealistic so long as the rim size is suitable for the new tire, the clearance within the fender is sufficient, and you don't mind the gearing change (you can always correct for that with sprockets anyway) Glen Garcia Oliver wrote: > An acquaintence has a (standard) bike with a worn out 130/70 X 18 stock > rear tire. He wants to replace it with a 130/80 (more tire choices), but > is concerned about handling changes. I'd guess them to be minor, but have > no personal experience with this. Anyone know? thanks. > > --garcia From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 12:53:21 1999 Return-Path: Lisa@XXXXXX Received: from kds1.kivex.com (kds1.kivex.com [208.213.150.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02830 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from lisagoddard.kivex.com ([209.135.198.107]) by kds1.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id MAA23103 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:53:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990325124836.006a54a0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:48:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Lisa S. Goddard" Subject: DC Bike parking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK, I need some help here. I would like to start riding to work but I can't figure out the parking situation. There is an abundance of Motorcycle parking near my office at Conn. Ave. & M St. but they are all labeled 4 hours only. Someday when I am rich I will work a four hour day but for now I need to know the trick to parking 8 hours. Do I have to move my bike during lunch?? Do I need to risk a ticket and shove more quarters in the meter during lunch?? Lisa Goddard 92 ZX-6 KAWGRL From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 13:07:04 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckgppxy1.att.com [12.20.58.148]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03144 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id NAA06039 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE76C0.4ABA6300@XXXXXX>; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:06:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Best cycle shop ever? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:06:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gotta share this with y'all. I called Myers Cycle Engineering in Kensington today about glass beading the head on my bike, and it went something like this... Me: Hi. I have a '78 Bonneville, and I want to get the head glass beaded. Do you guys do that? Them: Where do you live? Me: Uh, Sterling. Them: There's a BMW shop out there that would be a lot closer to you. They should be able to do that. Me: Well, you guys were recommended. Them: OK, well, yeah we can do that. If you want to bring it in, and then go get some lunch, it should be ready when you get back. Me: Great! How much do you charge for that? Them: Let me check... $35. But don't bring it Saturday. The guy that does it is off. Is this the greatest or what? These are the same guys that took my credit card #, and left me a clutch cable hidden outside so that I could pick it up late at night. I can't get over how cool they are. Rich (not affiliated in any way with Myers) '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 13:27:21 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03478 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:27:20 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA54680 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:26:44 -0500 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.7/NCO v1.8) with SMTP id NAA55916 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:26:39 -0500 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525673F.00655096 ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:26:37 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525673F.00654EB4.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:26:31 -0500 Subject: Best cycle shop ever? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I've gotta agree with you Rich. I was impressed enough with the service I received on my Honda at Myers to recommend them highly. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX '83 CX650 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 03-25-99 01:20 PM --------------------------- "Crishock, Richard" on 03-25-99 01:06:25 PM >>Gotta share this with y'all. >>I called Myers Cycle Engineering in Kensington today about glass beading >>the head on my bike, and it went something like this... (snip) >>Is this the greatest or what? These are the same guys that took my >>credit card #, and left me a clutch cable hidden outside so that I could >>pick it up late at night. >>I can't get over how cool they are. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 13:47:24 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03901 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA00356 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA23806; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:46:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903251846.NAA23806@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:49:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: race dates places Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) I am trying to find out the dates and places both local (N. VA area) and East coast of motorcycle races. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 14:13:26 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04359 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.183]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA02184 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:13:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990325191409.23921.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.180.60.184] by web301.yahoomail.com; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:14:09 PST Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:14:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: race dates places To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Danny, Both WERA and CCS schedules are posted on their web sites.... http://www.ccsracing.com http://www.wera.com Also, the yahoo club: http://clubs.yahoo.com/dcareariders has the calendar section pretty filled up with all the regional racing events..including dirt bike, flat track, etc. along with a lot of other m/c related events.... CT --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I am trying to find out the dates and places both local (N. VA area) > and East coast of motorcycle races. Any info would be appreciated. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 14:14:35 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04362 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:14:19 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: hey, read this.. I mean it.. :P Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:14:17 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) any of you lurkers out there own a shirt shop and want to make some money? I've been lazy and not researching getting some shirts made up.. this is my lame attempt at finding someone.. *gotta make some sort of public attempt to save face infront of my team-mates* Brian (oh yea.. THANKS!!!) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 14:30:38 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04736 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s1.wizard.net [206.161.15.31]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA15793 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:30:47 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: RE: race dates places Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:33:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be76f6$64449080$1f0fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990325191409.23921.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [mailto:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] ..snip... > Also, the yahoo club: http://clubs.yahoo.com/dcareariders > has the calendar section pretty filled up with all the regional racing > events..including dirt bike, flat track, etc. along with a lot of other > m/c related events.... Okay, I have to be honest here... my fingers got tired of typing before I got around to adding all the MX events to the calendar. But I do plan on going back and finishing the job! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 15:30:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05817 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:30:23 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA10802; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:31:38 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024260; Thu, 25 Mar 99 15:04:21 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9600JW92GQKR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525673F.006DF233 ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:00:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:22:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Best cycle shop ever? To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <8525673F.006A463C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Okay, I give up... What does it mean when you "glass bead the head" on your bike? Curious, Chris Weaver Richard Crishock wrote: Gotta share this with y'all. I called Myers Cycle Engineering in Kensington today about glass beading the head on my bike, and it went something like this... Me: Hi. I have a '78 Bonneville, and I want to get the head glass beaded. Do you guys do that? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 16:26:16 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06946 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA31317 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:25:19 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990325212547.XXOI20027@toddnt> for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:25:47 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Required reading! Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: <001501be7705$c604ae90$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > > Read this and pass it along: > > < http://www.activebike.com/index/analysis/reasons/reasons.html > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 16:33:57 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07134 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA23959 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:33:37 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990325213326.XYXF20027@toddnt> for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:33:26 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Insurance on Enduro/Off-road Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be7706$d73d4ae0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Thanks everyone who wrote back. I found a place that was ever more reasonable than my current carrier. T From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 19:43:36 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10913 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (207-172-117-220.s220.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.117.220]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id TAA07177 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:43:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701be7721$fe0acf60$dc75accf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Saturday Ride Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:45:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE76F8.14961660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE76F8.14961660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just heard the forecast on the radio for Saturday: 47 degrees and = rain!!! I cannot believe it. The Metro Section in today's post said 56 = degrees and sunny. What is going on? I will update the info re: = Saturday's ride once I have a better grasp of the weather. If = conditions are poor I plan to hold out for Anita's ride next Saturday on = April 3.=20 Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE76F8.14961660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just heard the forecast on the radio for = Saturday:  47=20 degrees and rain!!!  I cannot believe it.  The Metro Section = in=20 today's post said 56 degrees and sunny.  What is going on?  I = will=20 update the info re: Saturday's ride once I have a better grasp of the=20 weather.  If conditions are poor I plan to hold out for Anita's = ride next=20 Saturday on April 3.
Roy D. Turner, Esq.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE76F8.14961660-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 21:46:35 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13169 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-26.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.26]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA15909 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:46:32 -0500 Message-ID: <00cc01be7732$d0a50b60$1aa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Bests to Jeannette and Tom Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:46:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 No scooting Saturday night for Jeannette & Tom! Big bests and a great sendoff to you both as you embark on the marriage voyage. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Not old enough to tie the knot Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX ...snip >I'm signing off tomorrow for about 2 weeks since I'm getting married, going on >my honeymoon, etc. Ride for me, everyone! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 21:54:28 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13256 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-26.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.26]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16153; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:54:23 -0500 Message-ID: <00db01be7733$e98b23c0$1aa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Crishock, Richard" , Subject: Re: Best cycle shop ever? -- Myers Cycle Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:54:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Several fine experiences also with these fellows. Call/fax ahead so they can order parts, drop off, done on time with no problems. 301 897 0050. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Crishock, Richard >Gotta share this with y'all. > >I called Myers Cycle Engineering in Kensington ...snip >Is this the greatest or what? These are the same guys that took my >credit card #, and left me a clutch cable hidden outside so that I could >pick it up late at night. > >I can't get over how cool they are. >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 22:06:39 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13501 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-26.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.26]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA16492 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:05:59 -0500 Message-ID: <00e201be7735$88983100$1aa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: DC Bike parking Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:05:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 For a number of reasons surrounding the longevity of your scoot, and peace of mind, suggest you canvass proximate garages for possible arrangements. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Prefer cozy daily parking Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Lisa S. Goddard >OK, I need some help here. I would like to start riding to work but I >can't figure out the parking situation. ...snip From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 22:34:21 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13945 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00340 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA17499 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA04242; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:25:51 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36FAFE3E.6ACBF983@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:25:50 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: T-Shirts??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whatever happened to getting some t-shirts made. I sent money... DJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 22:39:33 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA14022 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-254.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.254]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA17413 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: <00f301be773a$1ee9cd40$1aa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "dc" Subject: Re: Cell phones in cars, by NHTSA (+ -- like alcohol) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:37:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 "Cognitive Tunneling" rang my deja vu bell -- to a piece in the 4/99 MC Cruiser just read. They redid a classic "effects on bikers of alcohol" (long, professional article on several bikers doing range work as they continually imbibed). "Tunnel Vision" was mentioned as a profound effect of drink. "People who have had a few drinks perform very well in single-task testing. Tell them to count the number of times a light blinks and press a button when it reaches a predetermined number and they can do it all day. But add another task to the monitoring, like hitting the button when a different light flashes in the periphery, and they get lost. Folks who have been drinking, even a little, tend to miss the additional stimulus, or if they do see it they lose track of counting the primary light." Hmmm. Using a cellphone after a couple of drinks -- Cognitive Catastrophe! Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Just gas please, bartender (not set up for alcohol or nitro) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff >I think George is on the right track here. I think cell phones in cars are >more dangerous than other things because of the way we use phones - we >conciously tune out the immediate environment and focus on the conversation >on the phone. This is a common and necessary tactic to use a phone in a >busy office, a home with kids, or beside a noisy street. > >"Cognitive tunneling" is what it's called when you process only part of >what you should process. ...snip From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 23:00:25 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14443 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19859 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F9600I7ZOGA77@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:02:03 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:00:07 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: T-Shirts??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B7705@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain I know of a place that does custom silk-screenng - Brian, will get you the name it just a little while getting it from one of my Girl Scout troops Tracy > -----Original Message----- > From: djonesj [SMTP:djonesj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 10:26 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: T-Shirts??? > > Whatever happened to getting some t-shirts made. I sent money... > > DJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 23:02:53 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14469 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-254.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.254]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA18060 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:02:50 -0500 Message-ID: <00f801be773d$798014a0$1aa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: cars and bikes.. Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:02:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Been there done that -- great when Walter Mitty's flip side threatens to hatch. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> No slot for D&B plastic Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 >Ok, since I can't really get out on my bike and enjoy the nice days.. ...snip> >Maybe I'll head over to Dave and Busters.. see how good I can get on the >Manx TT superbike game... From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 25 23:24:22 1999 Return-Path: SKPAH@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14786 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:24:21 -0500 (EST) From: SKPAH@XXXXXX Received: from SKPAH@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2DLAa04982 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:22:00 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <5d809f2.36fb0b68@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:22:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VF\VFR Engine Swaps Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 provided the '83 is an interceptor chassis, any VF750F from '83-'85 or VF700F from '84-'85 will bolt right in...i used to race a v45 interceptor (vf750f) from 83 through 85 and played w/ all different configurations....the 700, though is considerably slower(same bore but shorter stroke and different cams)...never tried a vf700/750 magna or sabre engine because their shaft driven...'86 was the first year of the next generation gear-driven cam VFR700/750F that honda put in an all new aluminum spar chassis....probably more difficult to adapt than it's worth...good luck From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 06:43:28 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA23165 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5382D2@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Bead blasting... was Best cycle shop ever? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:41:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Bead blasting is similar to sand blasting except that you use glass beads instead of sand. Its better for use on soft metals such as aluminum. Glenn (the sand blast expert) >Okay, I give up... What does it mean when you "glass bead the head" on your >bike? From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 06:53:36 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA23329 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust032.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.32]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA06222; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:50:46 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990326064748.006ae818@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:47:48 -0500 To: "Lisa S. Goddard" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: DC Bike parking In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990325124836.006a54a0@kivex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The way I did it was to take a couple of lunches and talk to the garage attendants. Let them know you have a motorcycle, and really don't want to pay the same amount as a car since you'd prefer to park in an out of the way corner anyway. I found one that said to just bring it in and park it there. No fee, no hassle. It's at the big white DOJ building on 11th St NW, near L. Leon. At 12:48 PM 3/25/99 -0500, Lisa S. Goddard wrote: >OK, I need some help here. I would like to start riding to work but I >can't figure out the parking situation. There is an abundance of >Motorcycle parking near my office at Conn. Ave. & M St. but they are all >labeled 4 hours only. Someday when I am rich I will work a four hour day >but for now I need to know the trick to parking 8 hours. Do I have to move >my bike during lunch?? Do I need to risk a ticket and shove more >quarters in the meter during lunch?? > >Lisa Goddard >92 ZX-6 KAWGRL > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 08:05:29 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24480 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A61521F20118; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:05:25 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990326073403.017cc1d0@mail.toward.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19990326073403.017cc1d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:37:44 -0500 To: "Lisa S. Goddard" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC Bike parking In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990325124836.006a54a0@kivex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:48 PM 3/25/99 , Lisa S. Goddard wrote: >OK, I need some help here. I would like to start riding to work but I >can't figure out the parking situation. There is an abundance of >Motorcycle parking near my office at Conn. Ave. & M St. but they are all >labeled 4 hours only. Someday when I am rich I will work a four hour day >but for now I need to know the trick to parking 8 hours. Do I have to move >my bike during lunch?? Do I need to risk a ticket and shove more >quarters in the meter during lunch?? Whether or not the 4-hour limitation is enforced is something you'll have to find out. $15 for an occasional ticket isn't bad when you figure it costs that much to park a car for one day. You might check the other meters there and see if they allow longer times. What do the signs (if any) say? You might also call Parking Services at 541-6065 and ask if the meters are supposed to be 4-hour. The ones behind the FAA (9th and C, SW) are all 8-hour. good luck, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 08:21:04 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24715 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id IAA25265 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id IAA25257 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id IAA01918; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id IAA01914; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:25:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990326081803.0125b980@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:18:03 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Re: DC Bike parking In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990326073403.017cc1d0@mail.toward.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19990325124836.006a54a0@kivex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:37 AM 3/26/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >$15 for an occasional ticket isn't bad when you figure it >costs that much to park a car for one day. A guy that works with me took the same approach...for about two weeks, then they booted his car. Do they boot motorcycles? Is there even a device they can use? --Brad From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 08:24:15 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24733 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AA6822270118; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:23:52 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990326082137.00f285c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:24:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC Bike parking In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990326081803.0125b980@ns2.pgcc.net> References: <4.1.19990326073403.017cc1d0@mail.toward.com> <3.0.3.32.19990325124836.006a54a0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:18 AM 3/26/99 , Brad wrote: >At 07:37 AM 3/26/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >>$15 for an occasional ticket isn't bad when you figure it >>costs that much to park a car for one day. > >A guy that works with me took the same approach...for about two weeks, then >they booted his car. Do they boot motorcycles? Is there even a device they >can use? >--Brad Did he pay his tickets? DC is in it only for the money. No, I don't know of a boot for motorcycles. I doubt the car ones would work, but I wouldn't want to find out. They might just have a chain they use, or they might not care. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 08:30:03 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24898 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:30:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990326133531.27185.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web307.yahoomail.com; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:35:31 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:35:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: DC Bike parking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > A guy that works with me took the same approach...for about two weeks, then > they booted his car. Do they boot motorcycles? Is there even a device they > can use? There was a motorcycle booted at GWU one time (didn't have a motorcycle parking permit, and I saw there were several warning tickets before the boot.) Basically they used a long, thick version of the Kryptonite lock. The bike wasn't going anywhere. Louis _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 08:54:09 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil ([152.121.49.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25230 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22163 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:53:33 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B107E89D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: [gsxr] Brand new Arai for sale Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:53:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Nice price for a brand new quantum > -----Original Message----- > From: RaginRacin@XXXXXX [SMTP:RaginRacin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 8:52 AM > To: gsxr@XXXXXX > Subject: [gsxr] Brand new Arai for sale > > Arai Quantum, Mick Doohan replica (white w/red, blue, and copperish > stripes > going back), size XL. Pic available. $195 OBO. Please EM me > directly. > Thanks, > Jeff, OH From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 09:13:49 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25568 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10QXLW-00016r-00; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:12:26 -0500 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16199; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:13:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002601be7792$f00fcb10$afc809c0@jay> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re:Multi-tech Body work Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:14:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE7769.060E3B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE7769.060E3B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sean, I have 3 sets of multi-tech bodywork (in various states of destruction) = for my F2 racebike. I just got the 3rd this week. I got the 3-piece F3 = bodywork from them. They claimed they just improved their mold and = process and it would fit better and look better. It is hard to judge = against all the broken bodywork I had, but it certainly doesn't seem to = fit very well, especially around the windshield. Also, the way it comes = it is not ready for paint if you want your bike to look good. If you = just want a race bike, with a cheap (or home) paint job, then by all = means get the multi-tech. If you want the bike to look good and the = bodywork to fit well, then I recommend looking elsewhere. I'll be more = than happy to show you my new set if you want. Jay St. Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE7769.060E3B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sean,
 
I have 3 sets of multi-tech bodywork = (in various=20 states of destruction) for my F2 racebike.  I just got the 3rd this = week.  I got the 3-piece F3 bodywork from them.  They claimed = they=20 just improved their mold and process and it would fit better and look=20 better.  It is hard to judge against all the broken bodywork I had, = but it=20 certainly doesn't seem to fit very well, especially around the = windshield. =20 Also, the way it comes it is not ready for paint if you want your bike = to look=20 good.  If you just want a race bike, with a cheap (or home) paint = job, then=20 by all means get the multi-tech.  If you want the bike to look good = and the=20 bodywork to fit well, then I recommend looking elsewhere.  I'll be = more=20 than happy to show you my new set if you want.
 
Jay St. = Peter
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE7769.060E3B60-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 09:33:27 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25929 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10QXeY-0002Dx-00; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:32:06 -0500 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA23068; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:33:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002e01be7795$af7a68a0$afc809c0@jay> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: RE: Filter wrench Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:33:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01BE776B.C5B2FBC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BE776B.C5B2FBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian Wrote: If a oil filter's stuck, and it's the external screw-on type, just pound = a long screwdriver through the thing and twist it off! I have had a bad experience doing this. I took my cage to jiffy lube = one year when there was lots of snow/ice and freezing cold temps. I had = no garage, not even a driveway. I assume that they either didn't lube = the rubber gasket, or way overtightened the filter (or both). I = couldn't get the thing off so I stuck the screwdriver in it and twisted = all the metal off the base of the filter. All that was left was the = metal base against the block with some sharp metal sticking out =3D8^0 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BE776B.C5B2FBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian Wrote:
If a oil filter's stuck, and it's the external screw-on type, just = pound a=20 long
screwdriver through the thing and twist it off!
 
I have had a bad experience doing this.  I took my cage to = jiffy lube=20 one year when there was lots of snow/ice and freezing cold temps.  = I had no=20 garage, not even a driveway.  I assume that they either didn't lube = the=20 rubber gasket, or way overtightened the filter (or both).  I = couldn't get=20 the thing off so I stuck the screwdriver in it and twisted all the metal = off the=20 base of the filter.  All that was left was the metal base against = the block=20 with some sharp metal sticking out =3D8^0
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BE776B.C5B2FBC0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:02:37 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26431 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:07:33 -0800 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B0DC896@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Area Suspension/Chassis tuners? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:00:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Does anyone know of a good suspension and/or chassis tuner in the greater DC area? I've got an '86 Kawasaki Concours that I'd love to have checked out and "tweaked" for optimum performance. I remember reading an article in one of the cycle mags (a year or two ago) that said there were places that check chassis for "true" and what not, but don't remember if there were any local ones listed. I'm not looking for race tuning, but I think the street performance could be improved. Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:05:32 1999 Return-Path: sesent@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26519 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hfzzv (client-151-196-116-30.bellatlantic.net [151.196.116.30]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA08473 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:07:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005001be779a$1bcde5a0$3a6dfea9@hfzzv> From: "Franz Muller" To: Subject: Screen Printing Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:05:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01BE7770.320CE160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BE7770.320CE160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DC Cycles, I am the "lurker" that owns the screen printing shop. My shop is = located in baltimore, and as I offered before I can do the shirts, = decals etc... Just send me the artwork colors sizes and the best price you found. I can have the shirts done in a couple of days. =20 Franz Muller Jr. sesent@XXXXXX 410-560-9074 wk. any of you lurkers out there own a shirt shop and want to make some = money? I've been lazy and not researching getting some shirts made up.. this is = my lame attempt at finding someone.. *gotta make some sort of public = attempt to save face infront of my team-mates* Brian (oh yea.. THANKS!!!) =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BE7770.320CE160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DC Cycles,
I am the = "lurker" that owns the screen printing shop.  My shop = is located=20 in baltimore, and as I offered before I can do the shirts, decals=20 etc...
Just send me the artwork colors sizes and the best = price you=20 found.
I can have the shirts done in a couple of = days. =20
Franz Muller Jr.
sesent@XXXXXX
410-560-9074=20 wk.
 
 
any of you lurkers out there own a shirt shop and want to make some = money?
I've been lazy and not researching getting some shirts made = up.. this=20 is my
lame attempt at finding someone.. *gotta make some sort of = public=20 attempt to
save face infront of my team-mates*

Brian  (oh = yea..=20 THANKS!!!) 
------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BE7770.320CE160-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:23:33 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web312.yahoomail.com (web312.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.108]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26859 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:23:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990326152341.19973.rocketmail@web312.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web312.yahoomail.com; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:23:41 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:23:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Area Suspension/Chassis tuners? To: "Coleman, Perry" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Perry, It all depends on what you are looking for. If you think that the chasis might be "off" (some brand new bikes don't even have straight frames) then you could take it up to the new GMD Computrak that opened up in Frederick, MD. They will do a "check" for around $100 I believe. ANy straightening or optimization starts around $350 and can go up from there depending on what you want done... If you want a phone number, let me know and I'll dig it up when I get home this evening. If you just think that your bike isn't set up properly for the kind of riding that you do, a shop really won't be able to help you beyond gross settings for your overall weight. What you need to do for this situation is gather the tools you need for suspension adjustment (spanner wrench, screwdrivers, etc.), grab a pen and paper, then head out to a very familiar stretch of road that will give the suspension some workout. >From this point, just use trial and error making ONE change at a time, and writing everything down (so you can always get back to where you were if you don't like a change...) Keep doing this till the bike rides like you want it too... If you can give me an idea of what the bike is doing that you don't like, I might be able to give you a rough idea of where to start at with your adjustments.... Collin --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Does anyone know of a good suspension and/or chassis tuner in the > greater DC > area? I'm not looking for race tuning, but I think the street > performance could be improved. Thanks! > > Perry > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:27:34 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26946 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA18946; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:29:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:29:40 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Bike parking In-Reply-To: <19990326133531.27185.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > A guy that works with me took the same approach...for about two weeks, then > > they booted his car. Do they boot motorcycles? Is there even a device they > > can use? > > There was a motorcycle booted at GWU one time (didn't have a motorcycle parking > permit, and I saw there were several warning tickets before the boot.) > Basically they used a long, thick version of the Kryptonite lock. The bike > wasn't going anywhere. Yeah, but thats not public parking. I have a suspicion that GW just used the same boot on the bike that they use on cars in their lots. For anybody associated with GW, or has a friend who is, you can get a sticker for unlimited, albeit outdoor, parking for $14 a semester. Not a bad deal, all things considered. As far as DC parking is concerned, one would think they could just buy some kryptonite disk locks for effectively "booting" the bike. But maybe we shouldn't let that out. Also, what's the story on parking on the street between cars, perpendicular to the curb. I asked a parking attendant what the rule on that was once, and she said the meter had to be fed, even if it was a bike. I've never got a ticket, and I usually don't worry about feeding the meter since cars will no doubt take up the rest of the spot (and pay), but is this just taking my chances? allbests, erik From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:31:09 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27054 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:31:08 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2YKDa03898 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:30:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:30:32 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Non Moto-but race related Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 For rent Competitive ITC Toyota Corolla available for FATT, Car Guys, track days,races etc. at Summit Point. 304 728 7483 Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:39:58 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27182 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12534 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:39:40 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990326153914.BQBY14456@toddnt> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:39:14 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: check this out!!! Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:37:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01be779e$9245ab10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal For all you people who like to think while you're riding...... > > http://home.earthlink.net/~roadieroger/mt66.htm > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:40:43 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27195 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:40:05 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Area Suspension/Chassis tuners? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:39:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) GMD Computrak is by far and away the most respected and well known frame company in the states. They just opened a new shop in Fredrick, MD (next closest are Atlanta, GA and Boston, MA). Prices are something like this: $100 to 'check' the bike $400 to get it back to stock and prices vary on 'optomization' They can do anything from shortening the legnth, to altering the rake anc trail (within limits).. and make your bike handle how you desire.. Oh, and this is a good idea for everyone.. there's a HUGE varience coming off the factory line (just like with 'good' and 'bad' engines.. you can have bad frames) Call 301-668-0747 Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:44:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27271 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24460 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28830 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (209-122-239-7.s261.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.7]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13789 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:50:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36E14B9F.6CF@erols.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:37:03 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: glass beading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The history buffs among you will remember that Manhattan Island was purchased with glass beads and other trinkets. And, what with Monica and Bill, we all know what "head" is. Therefore, "to glass bead a head" is to pay Monica or someone like her with worthless trinkets. Wait a minute, didn't Bill give her a t-shirt? (albeit NOT a dc cycles shirt and we all know why...) -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:46:59 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27360 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:46:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990326154743.18503.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web302.yahoomail.com; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:47:43 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:47:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: DC Bike parking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > There was a motorcycle booted at GWU one time (didn't have a motorcycle > parking > > permit, and I saw there were several warning tickets before the boot.) > > Basically they used a long, thick version of the Kryptonite lock. The bike > > wasn't going anywhere. > > Yeah, but thats not public parking. True, but my point was that it's possible to boot a bike. In fact, it's almost too easy. Anyone can grab a chain and a lock. > For anybody associated with GW, or has a friend who is, you can get a > sticker for unlimited, albeit outdoor, parking for $14 a semester. Not a > bad deal, all things considered. Sure beat the $5 or $6 parking fee per day if I took the cage. The last sememster I was there (I stopped going after last Fall) the bike parking was getting popular! Had to do some fancy foot/friction zone work to get the bike in the available space. > Also, what's the story on parking on the street between cars, > perpendicular to the curb. I asked a parking attendant what the rule on > that was once, and she said the meter had to be fed, even if it was a > bike. May depend on locality too. The parking folks here in the area I park in Arlington don't really care about the motorcycles. In fact, a new parking enforcer wrote me a ticket about a year ago. I showed it to one of the parking folks I recognized as patroling the area for a while. He took back the ticket and had a "talk" with the new guy. No problems since. Louis _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:53:17 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27449 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24561 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29224 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (209-122-239-7.s261.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.7]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17376 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:58:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36E14D96.3D89@erols.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:45:26 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: signs of spring Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the way in to work this AM, I saw what is surely one of the best indicators that spring has arrived...a bike t-boned into the side of a mpv van. Woman distraught, tearing at her hair (grey) biker stumbling off to the side of the road, holding helmet and looking wistfully at his bike which was shoved up under the van. Police arriving, fed-ex van narrowly skirting the scene so as to make a delivery. Yup, spring is here!!! Time to remember that the cagers haven't seen so many bikes since last fall and aren't sure what to do. "Let's see now, when I pull in front of the bike and it hits me, do I stop or back up?" Be careful, folks, them cagers had a winter full of snow to get REALLy stupid! -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 10:59:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27566 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24652 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29472 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.56.106] (207-172-56-106.s106.tnt12.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.56.106]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id KAA09446; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:59:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903261559.KAA09446@smtp4.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:59:49 -0500 Subject: Re: glass beading From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: Art Crow , "dc-cycles" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I notice in your signature that you have aquired another JRT. A relative of Higgins? I assume Higgins doesn't mind the addition of a newer model to the shop. -Charles Rosen ---------- >From: Art Crow >To: dc-cycles >Subject: glass beading >Date: Sat, Mar 6, 1999, 10:37 AM > >The history buffs among you will remember that Manhattan Island was >purchased with glass beads and other trinkets. And, what with Monica >and Bill, we all know what "head" is. Therefore, "to glass bead a head" >is to pay Monica or someone like her with worthless trinkets. Wait a >minute, didn't Bill give her a t-shirt? (albeit NOT a dc cycles shirt >and we all know why...) >-- >Art Crow >1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" >1996 JRT, "Higgins" >1998 JRT, "Diva" >"I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is >better." From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 11:01:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27646 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24708 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29697 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10QZ1v-0004ue-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:00:19 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20992 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:06:56 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED854@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Area Suspension/Chassis tuners? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:06:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > What you need to do for this situation is gather the tools > you need for > suspension adjustment (spanner wrench, screwdrivers, etc.), grab a pen > and paper, then head out to a very familiar stretch of road that will > give the suspension some workout. Better yet give Collin your bike and let him do it. You may not end up with the most "plush" ride but it will get through those pesky corners quickly, and isn't that really the point. ;-) Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 11:16:19 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27905 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:15:48 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: signs of spring Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:15:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Be careful, folks, them cagers had a winter full of snow to get REALLy stupid! Ypu.. and I have a cast and sling to prove it (spring hit me 2 weeks ago.. ugh) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 11:18:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27915 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24942 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00454 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:18:16 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Area Suspension/Chassis tuners? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:18:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Better yet give Collin your bike and let him do it. You may > not end up > with the most "plush" ride but it will get through those pesky corners > quickly, and isn't that really the point. ;-) No..no.. Collin's a rider.. I'm a mechanic. Collin goes out and rides around whatever problem there may be with a bike... I'll tear the thing down and build up the suspention so I don't have to ride around a problem (hence Collin leading me on his clapped out, no oil in either forks or shocks, Maxim.. and me on (what used to be) a nice 87 VFR with fox shock, F2 front suspention, and f2 rear wheel).. Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 11:23:25 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28004 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5382F9@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Filter wrench Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:21:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Guys, the best thing I've seen and I own one is an adjustable filter wrench that fits over the end of the filter. Its spring loaded so it should fit just about anything. It tightens up on the filter as you loosen. I think Trak and/or Pep Boys has them for less then $10. Glenn Brian Wrote: If a oil filter's stuck, and it's the external screw-on type, just pound a long screwdriver through the thing and twist it off! I have had a bad experience doing this. I took my cage to jiffy lube one year when there was lots of snow/ice and freezing cold temps. I had no garage, not even a driveway. I assume that they either didn't lube the rubber gasket, or way overtightened the filter (or both). I couldn't get the thing off so I stuck the screwdriver in it and twisted all the metal off the base of the filter. All that was left was the metal base against the block with some sharp metal sticking out =8^0 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 12:01:29 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28691 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA04813; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:01:25 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA20848; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:01:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:01:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: check this out!!! In-Reply-To: <001d01be779e$9245ab10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Think while riding! What, are you on CRACK? The only thing I think about while riding is that I would be much less likely to bounce my head off a bumper if I owned an SUV. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > For all you people who like to think while you're riding...... > > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~roadieroger/mt66.htm > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 12:05:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28780 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25439 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:05:29 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01375 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id pLIQa01941; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:04:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5b06901b.36fbbe12@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:04:18 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TLR Rear Fairing still needed. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 I am still looking for a used tail section for a yellow and black 98 tlr. This has been the most expenxive part to buy new, so Ive been putting it off. Anyway, if anyone has any hookups let me know, please! Thanks, Sean... From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 12:18:20 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28972 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:23:21 -0800 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B0DC897@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Area Suspension/Chassis tuners? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:16:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Collin, Thanks for the note. Actually, I would like a contact at GMD. I live in Gaithersburg, so I wouldn't mind checking them out. On top of everything else, I high-sided the bike 2 years ago, New Years day, and may have done some "hidden" damage to the frame, even though everything seemed OK, other than the bodywork damage. As for what doesn't feel right, I've never been real happy with the front end. I had Progressive springs installed in the front when I got it, but it still seems to dive a lot under braking, and feel kind of "squirmy" when pushing it through the twisties. I've also had some head-shake when letting off, especially if I was carrying cargo in the saddle bags (and Givi trunk.) I almost had a massive tank-slapper last summer, coming back from a camping trip, with a full load on the back - went over a slight rise, let off the throttle, and whoa! Of course, it's a heavy bike (with the touring style fairing, etc.) and the forks aren't braced or anything. The bike is running the stock rear shock, but it seems to be OK. I just got new tires (radials) and I've noticed that it seems to be transmitting more vibration (and maybe some slight head shake) up through the handlebars than it was before. Also, it seems a little more sensitive, or twitchy. Of course, the new tires may just be more sensitive than the worn-out ones were. I didn't change the brand of tire, I've had radials on it for the last 1.5 years (and about 10K miles.) I did notice that when I put the first set of radials on it, that the bike became much more responsive in the twisties (good thing) but much more twitchy on the superslab (bad thing.) One of the guys at CAD raised the forks in the triple trees to slow the steering ( I may have that backwards...) and that, in conjunction with running a slightly lower air pressure than I'm currently running seemed to help. When I got the new tires, it was pointed out that I had been running too low of a pressure and higher pressure has been recommended. I'm running the higher pressure now. I've only put about 100 miles on the new tires, so I don't know if I'll gain some more confidence as the tires scrub in. Oh, and last thing about the tires: Original front tire was 110-80, first radial was 110-80, current radial is 120-70 (which was what Kaw made stock when they put radials on this bike from the factory.) Does that help? ;^) Perry > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 10:24 AM > To: Coleman, Perry; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Area Suspension/Chassis tuners? > > If you can give me an idea of what the bike is doing that you don't > like, I might be able to give you a rough idea of where to start at with > your adjustments.... > > Collin > > --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good suspension and/or chassis tuner in the > > greater DC > > area? > I'm not looking for race tuning, but I think the street > > performance could be improved. Thanks! > > > > Perry > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 12:21:59 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29059 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA25744; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:21:56 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA26168; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:21:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:21:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ducati stock Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ducati's IPO occured yesterday. The ticker symbol is DMH and the current price is 28.875. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 12:26:46 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29090 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA17838 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:22:58 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990326172555.CHEN14456@toddnt> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:25:55 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Where to ride? In the Dirt. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:24:15 -0500 Message-ID: <002201be77ad$791d3f40$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Having just purchased an XT350 Enduro (from Kurt Slawson), I'm itching for a little dirt riding, gravel, hills and such. Can anyone make suggestions as to where/what's relatively close to Springfield, VA? Also, someone posted the URL to the MidAtlanticDirt riders web page here once. Anybody got that URL to send me? I'm taking off early today since the weekend looks shot for wx. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 12:26:45 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29089 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA32733; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:25:42 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990326172556.CHEP14456@toddnt>; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:25:56 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: RE: FW: check this out!!! Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:24:16 -0500 Message-ID: <002301be77ad$798ffe40$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Yeah, well this was sort of a follow up on the post I sent yesterday about responsibility towards newbies and such. I wouldn't dream of thinking about all that physics stuff while riding, though it is interesting to read why things work the way they do. Todd > > > Think while riding! What, are you on CRACK? > The only thing I think about while riding is that I would > be much less likely to bounce my head off a bumper if I > owned an SUV. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > > For all you people who like to think while you're riding...... > > > > > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~roadieroger/mt66.htm > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 12:44:10 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29456 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:43:56 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Suspension lessons.. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:42:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Perry et all.. This has some relevance for everyone, which is why I'm letting it go to the list... Sounds like you have a larger bike (you said touring.. what is it, a Concours or something similar?) with a fair number of miles on it. You have a few things, all little, that can add up to a pain in the arse. First off, depending on the mileage, and way you ride.. the rear shock(s) may be worn and 'dead'. Typically, something wrong with the rear-suspension will manifest itself in the front-end. I'd say that if you have over 25~30k miles on the shock, it's time for a rebuild/replacement (GMD can do the rebuild for you, replacement.. depending on the cash you can invest, there are several different receomdations). Another thing to consider is the age/wear on the bearings in both the swing-arm and steering-head. I have no idea what loose/notched swingarm bearings will feel like, but it can't be fun. Notched head-bearings can cause the headshake you're talking about.. as well as improperly tightened bearings. They're easy enough to check - and cheap enough to replace ($50 for the bearings, and 2 hours of work with common tools). You might also have the misfortune of having a bent front fork (you mentioned an accident).. or bent triple tree.. these can cause bad handling as well. How long since the front end was 'freshened' with new oil? All these things can lead/contribute to the problems you were mentioning. Heck, something as simple as a mis-aligned tire can cause some Serious head-shake (right Collin? *chuckle*). I know there's a billion and one other things that can lead to handling issues (even a loose motor-mount might add to the 'shimmy' you were talking about).. but these seem to be fairly common, and relatively easy to check things that might help you out... If you're unfamiliar with looking at bikes, or uncomfortable.. ride over to my house in Adelphi - I'd be more than happy to give it a once over (not that I can actually DO anything with a broken wrist and separated shoulder). Heck, we can even snag Collin and make him ride the thing.. might be easier to determine what the problem is when someone who knows what different problems feel like on the road.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 12:49:07 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web502.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29543 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:49:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990326174949.20510.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.159.1.17] by web502.yahoomail.com; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:49:49 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:49:49 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: T-Shirts??? To: djonesj , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I apologize for the delay to everyone who ordered a DC-Cycles t-shirt, especially those that got their orders in early and have waited the longest. I'm working to bring out the shirts as soon as possible. Quick summary of the project: I collected the last of the orders, I found a shop, I've redrawn rider silhouette (the t-shirt shops wanted a larger, stand-alone image). I have 59 orders, I have over $600, and despite this the t-shirt shop I've talked to is taking its time. But they have everything they need, and should run the job soon. Sean Sullivan --- djonesj wrote: > Whatever happened to getting some t-shirts made. I > sent money... > > DJ > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 12:51:28 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29642 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:51:27 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA01237; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:52:33 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma026656; Fri, 26 Mar 99 12:44:02 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9700D7TQMHME@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256740.00611130 ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:40:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:02:54 -0500 Subject: RE: signs of spring To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256740.005D8172.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Did anyone see the bit on the news last night about the DC motorcycle cop who was hit? They showed a picture, and his bike was stuffed halfway under the front bumper of (as I recall) a mommyvan. They mentioned that the cop was in serious condition in a local hospital... Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 13:21:02 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00287 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:21:00 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA18164; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:22:12 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012770; Fri, 26 Mar 99 13:12:53 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9700IE9RWWGB@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256740.00639EAC ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:08:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:02:41 -0500 Subject: Re: T-Shirts??? To: Sean Sullivan Cc: djonesj , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256740.0063078C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL THANK YOU, Sean. I know if can be a thankless task ... but I appreciate the coordination. --chris To: djonesj , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Sean Sullivan Date: 03/26/99 05:49:49 PM GMT Subject: Re: T-Shirts??? --snip-- But they have everything they need, and should run the job soon. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 13:20:57 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web501.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00285 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:20:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990326182534.878.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [136.242.149.52] by web501.yahoomail.com; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:25:34 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Where to ride? In the Dirt. To: Todd Peer , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Try contacting the following two organizations to see what they recommend: Southern Maryland Dirt Riders Norther Virginia Trail Riders My experience has been that dirt riding opportunities close to the District are minimal, and the ones that do exist are most likely illegal. Members of the above organizations have private land that they let other members enjoy. One area that may or may not still exist is out near Laurel Lakes mall....decent little MX track that the surrounding neighbors don't seem to mind even two strokes riding on. Once again, though, my advice is to get your butt out to the GW National Forest and enter the EXCELLENT, LEGAL trails that NVTR help upkeep. You will not be disappointed, even though it is a decent treck out there. --- Todd Peer wrote: > > Having just purchased an XT350 Enduro (from Kurt > Slawson), I'm itching for a > little dirt riding, gravel, hills and such. Can > anyone make suggestions as > to where/what's relatively close to Springfield, VA? > > Also, someone posted the URL to the MidAtlanticDirt > riders web page here > once. Anybody got that URL to send me? > > I'm taking off early today since the weekend looks > shot for wx. > > Todd _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 13:27:46 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00381 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:27:44 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2ATCa24549 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:26:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5e3c09bc.36fbd15a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:26:34 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: check this out!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 hee hee I find I have to STOP myself from thinking while riding otherwise suddenly I realize I've gone 10 miles but don't remember any of it!!!!!!! eeeeeks! ;D then again - maybe it was the crack Marcy In a message dated 3/26/99 12:10:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Turnip@XXXXXX writes: > Think while riding! What, are you on CRACK? > The only thing I think about while riding is that I would > be much less likely to bounce my head off a bumper if I > owned an SUV. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 13:32:56 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00479 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:31:54 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:31:48 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:35:30 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Area Suspension/Chassis tuners? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline A quick note--two really bad places on a bike to carry a lot of weight are: above the rider/bike CG, and behind the rear axle. A loaded top case does both, and I've seen other folks suffer many a tankslapper because of it. I also noticed that Progressive springs were much softer than stock in their initial travel--you might experiment with slightly longer PVC spacers atop the springs, Or stick some half-inch ones in there if you just have the spring. Joe '85 zx900 Ninja >>> "Coleman, Perry" - 3/26/99 12:16 PM >>> Collin, Thanks for the note. Actually, I would like a contact at GMD. I live in Gaithersburg, so I wouldn't mind checking them out. On top of everything else, I high-sided the bike 2 years ago, New Years day, and may have done some "hidden" damage to the frame, even though everything seemed OK, other than the bodywork damage. As for what doesn't feel right, I've never been real happy with the front end. I had Progressive springs installed in the front when I got it, but it still seems to dive a lot under braking, and feel kind of "squirmy" when pushing it through the twisties. I've also had some head-shake when letting off, especially if I was carrying cargo in the saddle bags (and Givi trunk.) I almost had a massive tank-slapper last summer, coming back from a camping trip, with a full load on the back - went over a slight rise, let off the throttle, and whoa! Of course, it's a heavy bike (with the touring style fairing, etc.) and the forks aren't braced or anything. The bike is running the stock rear shock, but it seems to be OK. I just got new tires (radials) and I've noticed that it seems to be transmitting more vibration (and maybe some slight head shake) up through the handlebars than it was before. Also, it seems a little more sensitive, or twitchy. Of course, the new tires may just be more sensitive than the worn-out ones were. I didn't change the brand of tire, I've had radials on it for the last 1.5 years (and about 10K miles.) I did notice that when I put the first set of radials on it, that the bike became much more responsive in the twisties (good thing) but much more twitchy on the superslab (bad thing.) One of the guys at CAD raised the forks in the triple trees to slow the steering ( I may have that backwards...) and that, in conjunction with running a slightly lower air pressure than I'm currently running seemed to help. When I got the new tires, it was pointed out that I had been running too low of a pressure and higher pressure has been recommended. I'm running the higher pressure now. I've only put about 100 miles on the new tires, so I don't know if I'll gain some more confidence as the tires scrub in. Oh, and last thing about the tires: Original front tire was 110-80, first radial was 110-80, current radial is 120-70 (which was what Kaw made stock when they put radials on this bike from the factory.) Does that help? ;^) Perry > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 10:24 AM > To: Coleman, Perry; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Area Suspension/Chassis tuners? > > If you can give me an idea of what the bike is doing that you don't > like, I might be able to give you a rough idea of where to start at with > your adjustments.... > > Collin > > --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good suspension and/or chassis tuner in the > > greater DC > > area? > I'm not looking for race tuning, but I think the street > > performance could be improved. Thanks! > > > > Perry > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 13:33:36 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00489 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:33:36 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2SJYa04983 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:32:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9dbd22ad.36fbd2d5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:32:53 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: replacing fork seal & oil Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 :D anyone feeling like teaching a total mechanics-newbie how to replace my fork seal and oil? cmon it might be fun and I'll bribe you with food and beer :D keep in mind though - the only tools I currently have are the ones that came under the seat of my bike when I bought it (Todd's seen them) - but I'm not averse to buying a few if necessary darn thing is leaking all over the place!!! if not, I guess I'll just have to let it sit in some dark cold corner of a shop far far from home for at least a week....being sad, and lonely, and missing me.... :( seriously though - I WOULD like to learn how to do this stuff myself as much as possible -- I want more of my friends to tease me about being a grease monkey :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 13:42:50 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00641 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A52448401FE; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:42:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990326132301.0129a4f0@mail.toward.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19990326132301.0129a4f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:26:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC Bike parking In-Reply-To: References: <19990326133531.27185.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:29 AM 3/26/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >Also, what's the story on parking on the street between cars, >perpendicular to the curb. I asked a parking attendant what the rule on >that was once, and she said the meter had to be fed, even if it was a >bike. I've never got a ticket, and I usually don't worry about feeding >the meter since cars will no doubt take up the rest of the spot (and pay), >but is this just taking my chances? Technically it's not allowed, but enforcement is rare. I've never looked up the laws themselves, but I got a faxed copy of DC motorcycle parking places that included some info with it. I've posted it before, but here it is again: I got this faxed to me from the DC Dept. of Public Works, Transportation Systems Administration, 14 January 1997. Not sure how current they all are. Chris Norloff ********************************************************************** Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 12 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces 800 block C St. SW -- 10 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 600 block G St. NW --6 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 2200 block E St NW -- 9 Unit block G St NW -- 8 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 600 block E St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 13:45:58 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00728 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:45:31 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: replacing fork seal & oil Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:45:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > anyone feeling like teaching a total mechanics-newbie how to > replace my fork seal and oil? Been there, done that.. take it to a shop. I've replaced 2 sets of fork seals no, and if I have the choice, a shops going to get them from here on out (unless I decide to drop some large bills on some specalized tools). They are NOT fun to do... and it's really messy, and.. and.. ugh. The oil's no big deal.. Marcy, can you get the front end of your bike off the ground? (in stable support).. if so, pull the forks yourself and take them in to a shop, it'll be your best bet at doing something yourself and saving a bit of money. Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 13:50:36 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00828 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA19558 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:52:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:52:46 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: "'dc'" Subject: t-shirts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I guess I got on the list after the call for cash on t-shirts went out. Are enough being made up for late-orders? Which of the 14 designs on the website got chosen, if any? Erik ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 15:00:32 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02076 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA21028; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:00:07 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990326195940.DBLG14456@toddnt>; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:59:40 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: replacing fork seal & oil Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:58:00 -0500 Message-ID: <002701be77c2$f32c9aa0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: What does it cost to replace seals (an average) at a shop? If the labor is only a small fraction of the cost of the seals I agree, let someone else do it. But there's no good reason to throw money away. This is one of the easiest jobs I can think of to do. No special tools required, though I use a vice to clamp the fork down. I use a home-made PVC driver to seat the seals. C'mon you suspension specialist. What's so hard about replacing fork seals? Todd > > > anyone feeling like teaching a total mechanics-newbie how to > > replace my fork seal and oil? > > Been there, done that.. take it to a shop. I've replaced 2 sets of fork > seals no, and if I have the choice, a shops going to get them from here on > out (unless I decide to drop some large bills on some specalized tools). > They are NOT fun to do... and it's really messy, and.. and.. ugh. > The oil's > no big deal.. > > Marcy, can you get the front end of your bike off the ground? (in stable > support).. if so, pull the forks yourself and take them in to a > shop, it'll > be your best bet at doing something yourself and saving a bit of money. > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 15:19:42 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02331 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:19:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: replacing fork seal & oil Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:19:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > C'mon you suspension specialist. What's so hard about > replacing fork seals? > It's NOT hard.. it's one of those messy, pain in the arse type jobs that I find absolutly NO enjoyment in... Maybe if I were being paid to do it, but not as a weekend/shade tree mechanic. Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 17:05:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04097 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA28877 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09305 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09653 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F9800B6J2NQFK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:06:31 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:04:36 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: FW: T-shirt place To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B7707@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain Brian - If you want silk screen, below is the information - they do stuff for our Elementary schools in Prince William county - a friend of mine from work does machine embroidery - you can e-mail him at roy.b.woods@XXXXXX (I think this is his work e-mail) Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Mission Systems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 22193 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete & Laurie Haskins [SMTP:phaskins@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 1999 8:43 AM > To: Horstman, Tracy L > Subject: Re: T-shirt place > > Spectum Ink Screen Printing. Call in the evenings and speak to Ralph, > he's > the one to cut a deal with. The other guy, Mitch, doesn't seem to > "negotiable" . Laurie > the phone #...492-0057. They are located off Telegragh Rd, > across from Target, in the back of the left side of buildings. > > > "Horstman, Tracy L" wrote: > > > Can you give me name and number of that place - have another group > looking > > into silk screen t-shirts > > > > Tracy > > Tracy L. Horstman > > UNIX System Administrator > > Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems > > 9255 Wellington Rd. > > Manassas, VA 20110 > > Voice: (703) 367-2981 > > Fax: (703) 367-1389 > > E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 18:14:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05229 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29651 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:14:40 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10822 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vFEHa17110; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:11:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9ba2ff23.36fc1427@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:11:35 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fairing search ends here.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Found a slightly used tail section for a tlr for 150. the company is called Erico Motorsports out of Denver Colorado. They are even holding the part for me til next week when I can get the dough to em. The numbers are: 1-888-875-8960 or www.ericomotorsports.com Check it out, Sean.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 19:19:16 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06299 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (207-172-54-180.s180.tnt16.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.54.180]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA05509 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:19:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701be77e7$c09b3360$b436accf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Saturday Ride Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:21:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE77BD.D6EAF800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE77BD.D6EAF800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If it is not raining I plan to be at Coleman in Woodbridge, Virginia at = 12:00 noon. Look for a 98 GSXR-750 with M4 can and Smoke color Zero = Gravity Screen. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE77BD.D6EAF800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If it is not raining I plan to be at Coleman in = Woodbridge,=20 Virginia at 12:00 noon.  Look for a 98 GSXR-750  with M4 can = and Smoke=20 color Zero Gravity Screen.
Roy D. Turner, Esq.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE77BD.D6EAF800-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 26 21:58:51 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08944 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.91] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A74725C00D6; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:49:43 EST Message-ID: <36C8DEFD.E0A53F7E@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:59:09 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Concours Owners Group , LD Riders Subject: RIP BugSlayer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just an update on my bike status. It isn't good. BugSlayer is totalled, and I'm not in a position to buy it back and resurrect it. This was a very painful decision for me to make, I'd kindly appreciate not having a bunch of messages about how/what I should have done to get the bike back. Circumstances and finances dictated otherwise. Time to move on. But in the "dark cloud/silver lining" category, things may be looking up anyway, thanks to my wonderful wife, Tracy. I know Duke Colley on the LDrider list was the first to refer to his wife as "Mrs. Wonderful", and I mean no disrespect to Mrs. Colley, but I've got a Mrs. Wonderful of my own. My dear Tracy, seeing how miserable I've been with this whole thing, and noting how underwhelmed I've been riding to work the last few weeks on her old Suzuki Savage, absolutely floored me last night when I was in the depths of despair by telling me she wanted me to have HER Concours. At first I didn't want to hear of it, but Tracy persisted. She assured me that she'd happily ride her familiar little Savage for another Summer while I cavort about on the Big Dark Green Beauty we bought for her last January. How cool is this?! Essentially we are back to where we were last summer, bike-wise. Not such a terrible thing, all things considered. Now tell me again what a wonderful wife I've got! I can't believe I lucked into someone like her. :) And for my wonderful partner, sometime this Fall, after we've saved some pennies and gotten free and clear of the outstanding loan on BugSlayer, and things get a little more favorable for finding good deals, my dear wife will find herself sitting on a new Barney Purple 99 Concours. That's a promise. It's the absolute stone-cold least I could do for this fantastic woman. She actually prefers the PPBP color (putrescent pepto-bismol purple) (actually, it's not bad, but it's not GREEN! :) so she'll be happier anyway, so she tells me. The guys on the COG list are probably all having a good chuckle right now, since they know how un-enthusiastic I was of the new color. :) Well, the purple will look a whole lot better with a nice green one beside it! ;) So anyway, the "BugSlayer" nickname is now up for grabs. I won't be using it anymore. The new Connie hasn't told me us it's name, yet, like all good bikes eventually do. I hope someday it will. It's got one hell of an act to follow. Ride Safe, y'all. I've gotta go. I've got a wife to hug. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers. Mine. Ours. :) 1987 Suzuki Savage - Back into Service for a little while longer. 1998 Kawasaki Concours - RIP From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 00:44:50 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11561 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12400; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23755; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA07171; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:35:40 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36FC6E2C.285EBFB8@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:35:40 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: T-Shirts??? References: <19990326174949.20510.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean Sullivan wrote: > I apologize for the delay to everyone who ordered a > DC-Cycles t-shirt, especially those that got their > orders in early and have waited the longest. I'm > working to bring out the shirts as soon as possible. > Quick summary of the project: I collected the last of > the orders, I found a shop, I've redrawn rider > silhouette (the t-shirt shops wanted a larger, > stand-alone image). I have 59 orders, I have over $600, > and despite this the t-shirt shop I've talked to is > taking its time. But they have everything they need, > and should run the job soon. > Sean Sullivan > > --- djonesj wrote: > > Whatever happened to getting some t-shirts made. I > > sent money... > > > > DJ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Cool, thanks Sean DJ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 07:16:28 1999 Return-Path: khafre@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21348 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-146-157.s157.tnt3.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.146.157]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29615 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:16:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FCCA63.3B37ACCE@erols.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:09:08 -0500 From: "John A. Wilson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Bike parking References: <3.0.3.32.19990325124836.006a54a0@kivex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know why the former 12 hour motorcycle parking spaces when down to 4 hours? "Lisa S. Goddard" wrote: > OK, I need some help here. I would like to start riding to work but I > can't figure out the parking situation. There is an abundance of > Motorcycle parking near my office at Conn. Ave. & M St. but they are all > labeled 4 hours only. Someday when I am rich I will work a four hour day > but for now I need to know the trick to parking 8 hours. Do I have to move > my bike during lunch?? Do I need to risk a ticket and shove more > quarters in the meter during lunch?? > > Lisa Goddard > 92 ZX-6 KAWGRL From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 08:36:42 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (web113.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.84]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22801 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:36:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990327133643.9195.rocketmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.198.167] by web113.yahoomail.com; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 05:36:43 PST Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 05:36:43 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: I-95 Police Crackdown To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi guys, FYI: It was reported by the local TV news that 100 State Troopers will be monitoring I-95 in Virginia for speeders and aggressive driving this weekend. Herb '94 Magna _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 08:40:12 1999 Return-Path: Lodicojoe@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22814 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:40:03 -0500 (EST) From: Lodicojoe@XXXXXX Received: from Lodicojoe@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hVOYa13434; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:38:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6c8491d8.36fcdf3c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:38:04 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lodicojoe@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: replacing fork seal & oil Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 My experience with changing fork seals was that its not that hard but it helps to have an extra set of hands. The short of it is that once you raise the front of the bike up securely, take the front fender and wheel off, loosen all the bolts which hold the forks onto the triple clamps and slide each fork off. At this stage, you may wonder if you'll really get it back together. The one problem I had is that I couldn't loosen the allen socket on the bottom to separate the inner and outer tubes. A friend of mine at work took in home and separated the tubes with his air ratchet, pulled out the old seals and gently pressed in the new and put the tubes back together. I guess that is the specialized tools required. (Or find a shop that will do it for you.) Just re- assemble and you're done. I would advise replacing the seals and the dust covers at the same time. I personally find satisfaction in fixing some things myself, but it is easy to dig into something too technical or difficult and have to find a shop to bail you out. This goes true especially for 4-wheelers. You may want to browse at motorcycle.com as I seem to remember that they had a how-to article about changing fork seals. Good luck, Joe From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 09:06:20 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23287 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-57-77.s77.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com (207-172-57-77.s77.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.57.77]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id JAA26979 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:06:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903271406.JAA26979@smtp4.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:11:23 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <19990327133643.9195.rocketmail@web113.yahoomail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I-95 Police Crackdown On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 05:36:43 -0800 (PST), Nomad wrote: >Hi guys, >FYI: It was reported by the local TV news that 100 State Troopers will be >monitoring I-95 in Virginia for speeders and aggressive driving this weekend. The Maryland State Troopers were thick on I-270 yesterday with a speedtrap running in the north bound lanes. They had plenty of business..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen '97 Shadow ACE 1100 '78 Suzuki GS400 ABATE/MRF/AMA From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 10:18:16 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24450 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA17664; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:18:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FD21E5.63F5@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:22:29 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Todd Peer Subject: RE: FW: check this out!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Todd Peer" > For all you people who like to think while you're riding...... > http://home.earthlink.net/~roadieroger/mt66.htm Thanks for the post Todd! This was very informative. JK From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 11:57:41 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26154 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-175.s48.as3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.175]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id LAA13600; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:57:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903271657.LAA13600@smtp4.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: , Subject: Fw: A Free Gift -- tell your friends! Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:02:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Case You Haven't Heard.... It took a while, but I have now gotten 4 free copies of Motorcyclist. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 > At Erebuni Corp., we appreciate your involvement with our site, and are > delighted you've taken advantage of our free Motorcyclist Magazine Bonus.... > > We encourage you to pass along this free opportunity to all your friends. > Just have them visit: > > http://www.sungift.com/erebunimotorcyclist > > Thanks again for your support. Please continue to visit our site, and enjoy > the magazine! > > Your friends @ Erebuni > http://www.erebuni.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 11:58:14 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26157 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:58:13 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id rHSFa17110; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:52:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6ec1e13a.36fd0ce3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:52:51 EST To: nomad98@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I-95 Police Crackdown Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 I heard it on TV too...........but I thought it wass for longer than just a weekend??? marcy In a message dated 3/27/99 8:42:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, nomad98@XXXXXX writes: > Hi guys, > FYI: It was reported by the local TV news that 100 State Troopers will be > monitoring I-95 in Virginia for speeders and aggressive driving this weekend. > > Herb > '94 Magna From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 13:36:31 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from web214.mail.yahoo.com (web214.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27825 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:36:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990327183333.3998.rocketmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.215.163.141] by web214.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:33:33 PST Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Goodbye To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Goodbye everyone, I finally escaped Baltimore and made it to Fort Lauderdale. My six bikes and I and the truck and trailer to haul them are now looking for a home. Although I hated the weather (and the Maryland cage pilots) I will miss the great riding areas, something this area seems to have an absence of. Ray _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 17:36:41 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01801 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-200.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.200]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA19659; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:39:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903272239.RAA19659@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:32:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: 1986 Fazer For Sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another friend, another bike. :) Please call him for further information. 1986 Yamaha Fazer FZX700 30k miles, fair to good condition, kept in carport 4-into-1 Kerker and stock pipes Asking $2,200 Contact Todd Webster at 410-752-4805. MET ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 17:51:16 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02045 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (207-172-117-141.s141.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.117.141]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00943 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:57:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701be78a4$a1701740$8d75accf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Lack of Rides Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:53:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE787A.B7D22B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE787A.B7D22B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am somewhat perplexed regarding the lack group rides lately, along = with the lack of participation. Is everyone hibernating? No one showed = up at Coleman in Woodbridge today. My buddy Kevin and I decided to go = for a ride anyway. We first visited Extreme Power Sports in = Fredericksburg. They carry Kawasaki, Suzuki and Victory bikes. I was = very impressed with their showroom. Coleman now has some competition!!! = I understand Extreme is having an open house on April 10. It may be = worth checking out. Afterwards we rode the backroads in Spotsylvania = and Stafford counties. I believe we put on around 150 miles total. = While it was a little cool, it certainly was worth the mild discomfort. = Hopefully there will be an increase in the number of rides and = participants in the upcoming weeks. =20 Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE787A.B7D22B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am somewhat perplexed regarding the lack = group rides=20 lately, along with the lack of participation.  Is everyone=20 hibernating?  No one showed up at Coleman in Woodbridge = today.  =20 My buddy Kevin and I decided to go for a ride anyway.  We first = visited=20 Extreme Power Sports in Fredericksburg.   They carry Kawasaki, = Suzuki=20 and Victory bikes.  I was very impressed with their=20 showroom.  Coleman now has some competition!!! I understand = Extreme is=20 having an open house on April 10.  It may be worth checking = out. =20 Afterwards we rode the backroads in Spotsylvania and Stafford = counties.  I=20 believe we put on around 150 miles total.  While it was a = little cool,=20 it certainly was worth the mild discomfort.  Hopefully there will = be an=20 increase in the number of rides and participants in the upcoming = weeks. =20
Roy D. Turner, Esq.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE787A.B7D22B60-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 18:17:55 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02433 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-175.s48.as3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.175]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id SAA16512; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:17:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903272317.SAA16512@smtp4.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: , "Roy D. Turner, Esq." Subject: Re: Lack of Rides Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:22:56 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roy et al., I tried to get there before you guys left, but I didn't make it. I ended up taking a ride to Fast Lane Cycles and then out through Loudon Co a little bit and then to Manassas Honda. They have 2 F4's and 2 XX's there if anyone is interested. I too hope there are more group rides so that I can meet some of the listers and enjoy there company in the rides and afterward. I am sure things will pick up as spring makes herself more felt. If anyone is ever heading out 211 to Luray or just up the mountain and down, let me know, I am in Warrenton, and we could use my house as a break spot, meeting place or whatever. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: I am somewhat perplexed regarding the lack group rides lately, along with the lack of participation. Is everyone hibernating? No one showed up at Coleman in Woodbridge today. My buddy Kevin and I decided to go for a ride anyway. We first visited Extreme Power Sports in Fredericksburg. They carry Kawasaki, Suzuki and Victory bikes. I was very impressed with their showroom. Coleman now has some competition!!! I understand Extreme is having an open house on April 10. It may be worth checking out. Afterwards we rode the backroads in Spotsylvania and Stafford counties. I believe we put on around 150 miles total. While it was a little cool, it certainly was worth the mild discomfort. Hopefully there will be an increase in the number of rides and participants in the upcoming weeks. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 22:29:13 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06506 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from big-daddy (207-172-36-121.s121.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.36.121]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11683 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:35:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990327223809.006e675c@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:38:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: FS: Race Van Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Respond to Tom, not me... From: Tom Fitzpatrick Subject: Van for sale Message-ID: <19990327.184152.8486.2.CelticRacing@juno.com> 1974 Ford Econoline 200 302 V8 w/approx 120K - runs very strong Automatic Transmission rebuilt about 7K (11 years) ago( when I bought it)seems fine Belts, hoses, brakes fairly new Safety inspection thru August 99 Paint job probably done with a Wagner (home) paint sprayer exhaust leak between header and pipe - needs new donut but studs are old - risky tires are 11 years old - good tread, and so hard now they will probably never wear out Choke tends to stick on in winter No heat to speak of - not like a regular van no heat - I mean COLD flow thru ventilation Own this piece of racing history for the paltry sum of $600 - less than many open trailers. Located in Metropolitan Woodbridge, VA, in the shadow of that trendy retail mecca - Potomac Mills Mall. For those unfamiliar with the location of VA's #1 tourist attraction, that's 25 miles South of DC just off of Interstate 95. 703-670-5525 _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 22:30:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06578 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:30:51 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC391149F46@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Lack of Rides Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:30:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sorry to have missed the ride. I just got back from a business trip to Kansas. I picked up my bike this morning from Fast Lanes - new tires, chain, sprockets, and brakes. Also, I got the bike race prepped for attending a racing school. Although, it will have to wait until next year. It was a little chilly this morning. Had to ride with caution with the new tires, but from what I can tell, the bike is running well. Really well! Jumped up two teeth on the rear sprocket. Anyway, hope to meet up with everyone soon. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 22:32:30 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from gecko.troutman.org (root@XXXXXX [209.122.204.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06595 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by gecko.troutman.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA02100; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:32:20 -0500 Received: from iguana(172.16.50.1) by gecko via smap (V2.1) id xma002098; Sat, 27 Mar 99 22:32:14 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990327223059.04a15f00@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:32:13 -0500 To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , "DC Cycles" From: Mike T Subject: Re: Lack of Rides In-Reply-To: <000701be78a4$a1701740$8d75accf@gt350pii> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_136804888==_.ALT" --=====================_136804888==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Back probs for me. Wish I could have come. I had to take off work Friday. I rode out to Leesburg with a friend, and hit some twisties on the way back, but my back couldn't take more than 2 hours.....hope to be ready for the poker run next weekend ;-) At 05:53 PM 3/27/99 -0500, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: > > I am somewhat perplexed regarding the lack group rides lately, along with the > lack of participation. Is everyone hibernating? No one showed up at Coleman > in Woodbridge today. My buddy Kevin and I decided to go for a ride anyway. > We first visited Extreme Power Sports in Fredericksburg. They carry > Kawasaki, Suzuki and Victory bikes. I was very impressed with their > showroom. Coleman now has some competition!!! I understand Extreme is having > an open house on April 10. It may be worth checking out. Afterwards we rode > the backroads in Spotsylvania and Stafford counties. I believe we put on > around 150 miles total. While it was a little cool, it certainly was worth > the mild discomfort. Hopefully there will be an increase in the number of > rides and participants in the upcoming weeks. > Roy D. Turner, Esq. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org =================================== No sig today..... =================================== DNRC member since '97 --=====================_136804888==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Back probs for me.  Wish I could have come.  I had to take off work Friday.  I rode out to Leesburg with a friend, and hit some twisties on the way back, but my back couldn't take more than 2 hours.....hope to be ready for the poker run next weekend ;-)

At 05:53 PM 3/27/99 -0500, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote:
I am somewhat perplexed regarding the lack group rides lately, along with the lack of participation.  Is everyone hibernating?  No one showed up at Coleman in Woodbridge today.   My buddy Kevin and I decided to go for a ride anyway.  We first visited Extreme Power Sports in Fredericksburg.   They carry Kawasaki, Suzuki and Victory bikes.  I was very impressed with their showroom.  Coleman now has some competition!!! I understand Extreme is having an open house on April 10.  It may be worth checking out.  Afterwards we rode the backroads in Spotsylvania and Stafford counties.  I believe we put on around 150 miles total.  While it was a little cool, it certainly was worth the mild discomfort.  Hopefully there will be an increase in the number of rides and participants in the upcoming weeks. 
Roy D. Turner, Esq.



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DNRC member since '97 --=====================_136804888==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 27 23:39:06 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07657 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:39:03 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA01948; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:38:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903280438.XAA01948@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Lack of Rides To: mike@XXXXXX (Mike T) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:38:36 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990327223059.04a15f00@www.troutman.org> from "Mike T" at Mar 27, 99 10:32:13 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Back probs for me. Wish I could have come. I had to take off work Friday. I > rode out to Leesburg with a friend, and hit some twisties on the way back, but > my back couldn't take more than 2 hours.....hope to be ready for the poker run > next weekend ;-) > No back problem here. Since we decided to get out early, we did not asdvertised it too widely. Craig ( 900RR ) and me did 300 mile run through Middleburg, Plains, Flint Hill, 211 t oLuray, 678 north to rt 55, wet to rt 29, 29 north to Augusta, east on 50, north on 29, nort-east on rt 9, via Berkeley Springs, Hedgesville, Martinsburg, Charsltown to leesburg. 300 miles, 7.5 hours of ride. Chilly, but enough sun to warm up around lunch time. ROads were mostly empty, except Rt 9. There is some gravel on roads, in most unexpected places; caution is adviced esepcially on more hilly parts, like 211, 678, 29. Especially in the morning it was chilly enough to get unplanned rear wheel slides in turns; so take it easy, folks... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 01:46:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09783 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA17523 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA02798 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:42:39 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: one less use for a cage... Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: <004801be78e6$49ec80c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal For those of you who don't like pedal bikes because sometimes you need to use the cage to transport them: http://members.aol.com/mschue5938/mschuette.html Nifty setup, but I think I'll get a hitch mounted carrier when I get the outfit put together. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 02:43:20 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA11492 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 02:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id HAA04344 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 07:42:23 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.167.41]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990328074250.SWXH822@[166.44.167.41]> for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:42:50 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Beer capicity of ST1100 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 02:40:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be78ee$4df87270$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Just an FYI, Ive hauled over 3 cases plus 4 bags of ice and then used my paniers as coolers....HmmmMmm, beer! Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hsta@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-hsta@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of John M. Carruth > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 1999 11:56 PM > To: Honda Sport Touring Association > Subject: Beer capicity of ST1100 > > > I have grown kinda tired of all of this technical stuff like grip heaters, > bag liners, bulbs, electric chair capicity alternators, tires and most of > all - OIL. > Ok, I realize that I have a delete key, and I use it frequently. > However, in > the spirit of the coming of spring, and the rally season for all of us > (except Florida), I want to know the maximum amount of beer and/or soft > drinks and ice that has been hauled from the store to the campground or > motel on a ST1100. > I have transported four cases, two 10 lb. bags of ice, and a > small amount of > groceries one up in the north east Georgia mountains about 40 miles. > Anybody hauled more than that on a ST? > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 08:26:06 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16931 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-217.s26.as4.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.217]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05511 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:25:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000301be791e$830e8820$d94daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: dcareariders Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:25:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Has everyone seen Anita's DC Area Riders club page on Yahoo? The page includes messages, photos, chat option, links, contacts and a calender. Anita has done an excellant job setting this up! The address is http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders . Come by and check it out. Warm weather next week, lets ride!!! From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 12:28:09 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21003 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md57.idsonline.com [209.136.97.57]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13004 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:27:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Area Suspension/Chassis tuners? Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:29:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be7940$8b117ec0$396188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B0DC897@md-exchange1.nai.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As for what doesn't feel right, I've never been real happy with the front > end. I had Progressive springs installed in the front when I got > it, but it > still seems to dive a lot under braking, and feel kind of "squirmy" when The 86, 87 (mine) and perhaps a few later years were in sore need of a fork brace. I suspect if you add one, you'll be a lot happier. > pushing it through the twisties. I've also had some head-shake > when letting > off, especially if I was carrying cargo in the saddle bags (and > Givi trunk.) > I almost had a massive tank-slapper last summer, coming back from > a camping > trip, with a full load on the back - went over a slight rise, let off the > throttle, and whoa! You might want to send an email to Guy Young, COG Maintenance Guru @ gbyoung@XXXXXX, describing your problems. I'm sure he'll have some suggestions for you. Please tell him I referred you. > > Of course, it's a heavy bike (with the touring style fairing, > etc.) and the > forks aren't braced or anything. The bike is running the stock rear shock, You haven't said how many miles are on your bike....... > but it seems to be OK. I just got new tires (radials) and I've > noticed that > it seems to be transmitting more vibration (and maybe some slight head > shake) up through the handlebars than it was before. Also, it > seems a little > more sensitive, or twitchy. Of course, the new tires may just be more > sensitive than the worn-out ones were. I didn't change the brand of tire, > I've had radials on it for the last 1.5 years (and about 10K miles.) I did I'm not sure what kind of tires came on the 86, but my 87 had radials on it. I'm assuming that no changes where made in the type of tires between those 2 years. > notice that when I put the first set of radials on it, that the > bike became > much more responsive in the twisties (good thing) but much more twitchy on > the superslab (bad thing.) One of the guys at CAD raised the forks in the > triple trees to slow the steering ( I may have that backwards...) no, that is correct. If you lower the bike by sliding the forks UP in the TC, then you shorten the wheelbase, not to mention altering the steering geometry, and the bike will turn quicker. > and that, > in conjunction with running a slightly lower air pressure than > I'm currently > running seemed to help. When I got the new tires, it was pointed > out that I > had been running too low of a pressure and higher pressure has been > recommended. I'm running the higher pressure now. I've only put about 100 What pressure? How much do YOU weigh? > miles on the new tires, so I don't know if I'll gain some more > confidence as > the tires scrub in. Oh, and last thing about the tires: Original > front tire > was 110-80, first radial was 110-80, current radial is 120-70 (which was > what Kaw made stock when they put radials on this bike from the factory.) Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 12:28:04 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20997 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md57.idsonline.com [209.136.97.57]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA12997 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:27:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:29:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be7940$8944ae00$396188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701be7721$fe0acf60$dc75accf@gt350pii> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Metro Section in today's post said 56 degrees and sunny. What is going on? I will update the info re: Surly you aren't serious? "what's going on?" is DC's normal March--unpredictable (not to mention the other 11 months!! Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 12:28:06 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21000 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (va-dc-md57.idsonline.com [209.136.97.57]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13000 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:27:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: DC Bike parking Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:29:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be7940$8a374b60$396188d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990326081803.0125b980@ns2.pgcc.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >$15 for an occasional ticket isn't bad when you figure it > >costs that much to park a car for one day. > > A guy that works with me took the same approach...for about two > weeks, then > they booted his car. Do they boot motorcycles? Is there even a device they They booted his car because he had LOTS of unpaid tickets. I know of no way to boot a bike--but that doesn't mean some dickhead in DC wouldn't try it. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 13:34:52 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22180 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA20559 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:34:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv11-56.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.56) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020538; Sun Mar 28 12:34:01 1999 Message-ID: <000801be7949$8f80a9a0$385e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Brett MacLeod killed during Kyalami 600SuperSport Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:34:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE791F.A4F63AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE791F.A4F63AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Motorcycling-South African Champion Killed in Race Reuters 28-MAR-99 JOHANNESBURG, March 28 (Reuters) - South African champion Brett MacLeod = was killed in a crash in a supersport 600cc world championship race at = Kyalami on Sunday.=20 MacLeod, who had led the race early on, crashed just before the end of = the first lap when his bike stalled and then suddenly restarted just as = the main pack approached a kink in the road.=20 The sudden jerk flipped the 22-year-old rider over the handlebars and he = was struck by one of the following bikes.=20 The death overshadowed the opening meeting of the season at which = title-holder Carl Fogarty of Britain scored his 50th win in the = superbike world championship.=20 Fogarty, 32, won both heats of his race, the 13th time he had = accomplished that double feat.=20 Fogarty, three times world champion, was in a class of his own, = finishing a comfortable five seconds ahead of Ducati team mate = Australian Troy Corser in the first race and six seconds ahead of New = Zealander Aaron Slight in the second.=20 In the first heat he took advantage of a slow start by pole position = starter Corser, stretched into the lead and was never challenged.=20 Corser and Slight fought a furious battle behind, swapping positions = several times before Corser took control two laps from the end to finish = four seconds ahead of Slight.=20 In the second heat Fogarty was relegated to third after the start but = seized the lead on the first lap. A lap later he was way in front, = leading at one stage by a vast 16 seconds.=20 MacLeod was the second man to die on the track since it was redesigned = in 1992.=20 Medical officials rushed t the track and the race was stopped while = doctors worked on him for nearly 10 minutes before quietly putting him = into a waiting ambulance.=20 The final race of the day was cancelled as a mark of respect and = MacLeod's parents led a parade of South African riders around the track. = "Motorcycling is very dangerous sport and there's no getting away from = that," Fogarty said afterwards. "It's difficult to celebrate today after = what happened."=20 Fogarty leads the superbike standings with 50 points, with Slight and = Corser joint second on 36.=20 The second round takes place at Phillip Island, Australia, on April 18.=20 Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE791F.A4F63AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Motorcycling-South African Champion Killed in Race

Reuters
28-MAR-99

JOHANNESBURG, March 28 (Reuters) - South African champion Brett = MacLeod was=20 killed in a crash in a supersport 600cc world championship race at = Kyalami on=20 Sunday.=20

MacLeod, who had led the race early on, crashed just before the end = of the=20 first lap when his bike stalled and then suddenly restarted just as the = main=20 pack approached a kink in the road.=20

The sudden jerk flipped the 22-year-old rider over the handlebars and = he was=20 struck by one of the following bikes.=20

The death overshadowed the opening meeting of the season at which=20 title-holder Carl Fogarty of Britain scored his 50th win in the = superbike world=20 championship.=20

Fogarty, 32, won both heats of his race, the 13th time he had = accomplished=20 that double feat.=20

Fogarty, three times world champion, was in a class of his own, = finishing a=20 comfortable five seconds ahead of Ducati team mate Australian Troy = Corser in the=20 first race and six seconds ahead of New Zealander Aaron Slight in the = second.=20

In the first heat he took advantage of a slow start by pole position = starter=20 Corser, stretched into the lead and was never challenged.=20

Corser and Slight fought a furious battle behind, swapping positions = several=20 times before Corser took control two laps from the end to finish four = seconds=20 ahead of Slight.=20

In the second heat Fogarty was relegated to third after the start but = seized=20 the lead on the first lap. A lap later he was way in front, leading at = one stage=20 by a vast 16 seconds.=20

MacLeod was the second man to die on the track since it was = redesigned in=20 1992.=20

Medical officials rushed t the track and the race was stopped while = doctors=20 worked on him for nearly 10 minutes before quietly putting him into a = waiting=20 ambulance.=20

The final race of the day was cancelled as a mark of respect and = MacLeod's=20 parents led a parade of South African riders around the track.=20

"Motorcycling is very dangerous sport and there's no getting away = from that,"=20 Fogarty said afterwards. "It's difficult to celebrate today after what=20 happened."=20

Fogarty leads the superbike standings with 50 points, with Slight and = Corser=20 joint second on 36.=20

The second round takes place at Phillip Island, Australia, on April = 18.=20

Ken S.
ICQ# 32289311
HDKnight1 on AOL Instant=20 messenger
HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager
kshephard@XXXXXX
1996 XLH = 1200
Ride=20 Safe
Inwood, WV
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE791F.A4F63AE0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 17:42:36 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26313 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s5.wizard.net [206.161.15.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA23786 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:42:46 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: RE: dcareariders Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:45:39 -0500 Message-ID: <001601be796c$b4236540$2c0fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <000301be791e$830e8820$d94daccf@brn626> Importance: Normal Thanks for the plug, Brian. But, I do have to be honest and say that the Yahoo! club area is very easy to use, and even someone who doesn't know anything about web pages (like me!) can set it up! And, yes, warm weather next Saturday would be just GREAT! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 18:14:01 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26865 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:14:00 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id cORKa20484; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:09:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5e45e60c.36feb68d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:09:01 EST To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dcareariders Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Anita, Does this mean the site that has everybody's names, tel. nos. etc. is being discontinued? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 18:16:02 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26944 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s5.wizard.net [206.161.15.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA25767 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:16:13 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: I am proud to report... Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be7971$5feebf60$2c0fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal .. that as of this afternoon I have successfully completed the Motorcycle Safety Instructor Course, and am now certified to teach the MRC:RSS (Motorcycle Rider Course: Riding and Street Skills) in the Commonwealth of Virginia... WOO-HOO! :-) It was three long weekends and a ton of work, but well worth it. We had our student teaching this weekend and it was wonderful to see people who had never even sat on a bike before finally "getting it" and having fun. Makes you feel great! Thanks to Louis Caplan for recommending me for the course and offering encouragement along the way. Also thanks to the instructors who came out to be our "guinea pigs" and help us learn to teach better. Now that I've gotten the course out of the way... time to RIDE!!!!! Riding 125's and 250's around a parking lot just doesn't "cure the craving" for me! Hope to see lots of you folks on Saturday! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 18:27:52 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27132 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s5.wizard.net [206.161.15.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA26497; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:28:02 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Cc: Subject: RE: dcareariders Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:30:54 -0500 Message-ID: <001801be7973$06383760$2c0fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <5e45e60c.36feb68d@aol.com> Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 1999 6:09 PM -snip- > Does this mean the site that has everybody's names, tel. nos. > etc. is being discontinued? No, not at all. The dc-cycles member roster page.. http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm is still alive and well. That will be maintained indefinitely. One of these days I'll even figure out a way for everyone to be able to update their info automatically, rather than me typing it in! :-) The Yahoo! page is more for posting of ride details, pics, etc. The Calendar feature is particularly handy.. I posted a bunch of info about upcoming open houses, poker runs, etc. It is not dc-cycles specific, but for anything related to motorcycling in the DC area. Just something I set up while I was supposed to be working! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 21:15:22 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29666 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-48.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.48]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA05753 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:15:16 -0500 Message-ID: <05fa01be7989$f1427f20$1aa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Melissa E-Mail Virus Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:14:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05F7_01BE7960.07BB76A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05F7_01BE7960.07BB76A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This not seen noted here on DC-Cycles yet but it looks serious: Made = the front page of the Washington Post today -- right up there with = Kosovo atrocities and the weather. Many would say this is another = credential for it being a real threat. The story has some information = about adjustments in Word97 that can avoid problems. http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-03/28/137l-032899-idx= .html And a related AP story giving links: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/daily/march99/virus27.htm Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Ready to run down the little critters Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. Two comments from the Vulcan List: >Thought I'd let you know before you see any of these, it's very new, as = of yesterday in fact. It's said to be worse than the happy99 one that went around. >Full info at http://www.msnbc.com/msn/253803.asp ...snip And --- >To All, > >Just an update, this Melissa Virus is spreading fast. I received three >copies thru the work email network.... > >Be wary, be safe! Even if you recognize the sender, don't open the >attachment called "list.doc" > ------=_NextPart_000_05F7_01BE7960.07BB76A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This not seen noted here on DC-Cycles = yet but it=20 looks serious:  Made the front page of the Washington Post = today --=20 right up there with Kosovo atrocities and the weather.  Many would = say this=20 is another credential for it being a real threat.  The story has = some=20 information about adjustments in Word97 that can avoid = problems.

http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-03/28/= 137l-032899-idx.html


And=20 a related AP story giving links:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/daily/march99/virus= 27.htm


Bill=20 S. / DC
99 VN750 -->  Ready to run down the little = critters
Join=20 the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.


Two comments from = the=20 Vulcan List:

>Thought I'd let you know before you see any of these, it's = very=20 new, as of
yesterday in fact. It's said to be worse than the happy99 = one that=20 went
around.

>Full info at http://www.msnbc.com/msn/253= 803.asp

...snip


And=20 ---

>To All,
>
>Just an update, this Melissa Virus = is=20 spreading fast.  I received three
>copies thru the work email = network....
>
>Be wary, be safe!  Even if you recognize = the=20 sender, don't open the
>attachment called=20 "list.doc"
>
------=_NextPart_000_05F7_01BE7960.07BB76A0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 21:29:07 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29823 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-48.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.48]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA06091; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:29:04 -0500 Message-ID: <05ff01be798b$dec01d60$1aa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: Re: I am proud to report... Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:28:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Well, a hearty handshake to you Anita. I'm sure that is not an easy accomplishment, and you are now a protector of lives, well-being, and cycling smiles. Wear the badge proudly. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Going to my first class soon Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 6:20 PM Subject: I am proud to report... >.. that as of this afternoon I have successfully completed the Motorcycle >Safety Instructor Course, and am now certified to teach the MRC:RSS >(Motorcycle Rider Course: Riding and Street Skills) in the Commonwealth of >Virginia... > >WOO-HOO! :-) > >It was three long weekends and a ton of work, but well worth it. We had our >student teaching this weekend and it was wonderful to see people who had >never even sat on a bike before finally "getting it" and having fun. Makes >you feel great! > >Thanks to Louis Caplan for recommending me for the course and offering >encouragement along the way. Also thanks to the instructors who came out to >be our "guinea pigs" and help us learn to teach better. > >Now that I've gotten the course out of the way... time to RIDE!!!!! Riding >125's and 250's around a parking lot just doesn't "cure the craving" for me! >Hope to see lots of you folks on Saturday! :-) > >Anita > From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 28 23:17:43 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web309.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA01662 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:17:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990329041851.7800.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.36.121] by web309.yahoomail.com; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:18:51 PST Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:18:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Melissa E-Mail Virus To: mobacc , Dc Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmmmm.. wonder if this virus had anything to do with why the entire net seemed slower than snot on a cold winter day on Friday?? On a similar note, the macro viruses seem to be "cool and in" among the hackers... Our office was infected with 5 new viruses which most of the major software versions didn't catch. The only way we found it was because our IT guy's wife works for some government agency in the security industry.... they had one company (sorry forgot the initials0 who made a rapid fix and got out a beta version of the virus detection... We sent a copy of the viruses to McAffee and Doctor Solomon (and one or two of the other major anti-virus places) so hopefully the word has spread enough that they also have up to date virus ID files.... I think it would be sublime justice if one of these loser hackers would get infected by their own viruses and get their hard drive wiped ;-) Collin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 06:14:59 1999 Return-Path: jugernaut@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09532 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-73-29.s29.tnt1.man.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.73.29]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA18130 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:20:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FF609F.DEDA84CA@erols.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:14:39 -0500 From: James Knowlton Reply-To: jugernaut@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen Bike References: <199903290000.TAA27601@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all. I'm feeling very bitter this morning. Imagine my suprise when I woke up this morning to find my '98 YZF had been stolen. I think I should have kept my old Radian. Nobody ever gave that thing a second look. Anyway, anybody see a cobalt blue YZF tag XKWIZT, let me know at (H) 703 361 3265 (W) 703 575 3066. I know the chances of anyone seeing it are remote, but I gotta do everything I can to save my baby. Boy, that wheellock and steering column lock really deterred these scumbags, didn't it? Ride safe everyone. Jim (former YZF) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 08:55:12 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckgppxy1.att.com [12.20.58.148]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11902 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA21127 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE79C1.B4C68270@XXXXXX>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:54:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: beads for head Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:54:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry. My fault again. Making a verb out of a noun and all that (sometimes not even using a verb at all in a sentence). If anyone cares, This is what I've been up to during these cold days: - taking EVERYTHING off the frame and having it powder coated (there I go again, rolling my own verbs) - taking the CYLINDER head off the motor (because the head bolts were all rusty), and having it blast cleaned with glass bead :) This is what I will be up to in the next few weeks: - replacing a bunch of tatty fasteners with stainless ones where possible. - replacing a bunch of leaky oil seals (some Brit bikes don't leak, I am told) - replacing dragging / slipping clutch plates - replacing dumb American market pseudo ape hanger handle bars with lower "home" market bars. - put it all back together. - ride. In other news... Some of you may recall that I signed the wife and myself up for an MSF course at the end of May. Well, on Saturday we pick up her new bike! It is a '99 Enfield 350 Bullet. She had a 250 Rebel about 10 years ago, but I failed miserably at teaching her to ride. This time, with the help of the MSF, it will be different. I too have a "Mrs. Wonderful." She has agreed to let me ride the Enfield until she gets her license or I get the Triumph back on the road, whichever comes first. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville (nice and shiny, but still in boxes) '99 Enfield Bullet (nice and new, but still in a crate) Sterling In answer to Chris' question about "glass beading my head," Art wrote this gem... >The history buffs among you will remember that Manhattan Island was >purchased with glass beads and other trinkets. And, what with Monica >and Bill, we all know what "head" is. Therefore, "to glass bead a head" >is to pay Monica or someone like her with worthless trinkets. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 09:05:48 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckgppxy1.att.com [12.20.58.148]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12167 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA25648 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE79C3.392A4E10@XXXXXX>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:04:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Virus Warning!!!! Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:04:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This message warning of a new virus was received from Microsoft this morning... If anyone receives an offer entitled: NORTON FOR SALE! please delete it WITHOUT reading it. This is a warning for all internet users - there is a dangerous virus propagating across the internet through an e-mail message entitled "NORTON FOR SALE!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "NORTON FOR SALE!" This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are interested in a motorcycle, but by the time you buy this motorcycle, it is too late. The "trojan bike" virus will have already infected the discretionary cash sector of your bank account, destroying all of the money present. It is a self-replicating virus, and once the motorcycle is bought, it will AUTOMATICALLY transmit itself by envy to anyone who enters your shed! This virus will DESTROY your hard earned cash, cause your wife to vanish, place you in daily danger and holds the potential to DO THE SAME to anyone who comes for a beer in your shed, and who has a shed at home, and so on. If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE to motorcycle networks worldwide!!!! Please, delete the message entitled "NORTON FOR SALE!" as soon as you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends and relatives, and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists which you are on, so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 09:36:10 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12673 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AFD566901DC; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:36:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990329091618.01292580@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:20:09 -0500 To: "John A. Wilson" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC Bike parking Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36FCCA63.3B37ACCE@erols.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19990325124836.006a54a0@kivex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:09 AM 3/27/99 , John A. Wilson wrote: >Does anybody know why the former 12 hour motorcycle parking spaces when down >to 4 hours? The contractor made a number of mistakes when they installed the motorcycle meters - total hours, and hours per 25 cents mistakes were common. I highly recommend you call Parking Services at 541-6065. I think the fellow I've spoken with was Brent or Brett. He was very helpful and friendly, and very interested in keeping the contractor on their toes. Check the signs for what time limit is posted, and call Parking Services. Give them the street address, and also the number of each questionnable meters. We've had good luck before with getting the meters straightened out. Was that Jjeannette? Let us know how it goes. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 09:36:10 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12674 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AFD666901DC; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:36:06 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990329092615.0129f890@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:34:18 -0500 To: Dc Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Melissa E-Mail Virus In-Reply-To: <19990329041851.7800.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:18 PM 3/28/99 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Hmmmm.. wonder if this virus had anything to do with why the entire net >seemed slower than snot on a cold winter day on Friday?? > >On a similar note, the macro viruses seem to be "cool and in" among the >hackers... Our office was infected with 5 new viruses which most of the >major software versions didn't catch. Remember that macro viruses are brought to you by Microsoft, who designed their word processing macros to possess the capability of damaging your data - not sure why word processing macros need that! Don't trust Microsoft, don't trust macros. Bottom line- 1) Be very suspicious of attachments to email, even if it comes from a known source. Mailissa/Melissa and Happy99 both spread by one person opening the attachment, the virus then infects the mail program (Microsoft Outlook is particularly susceptible). Thus, people unknowingly send out the virus because it has automatically attached to their email. 2) Disable Microsoft Word macros, and set your normal.dot (template) file to read-only to prevent infection. 3) Use a good antivirus program and be sure to keep it updated. Check at least once a week for the latest virus update from the manufacturer. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 09:43:13 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12807 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA25312; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:42:54 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990329144243.HRNF31194@toddnt>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:42:43 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Stolen Bike Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:40:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be79f2$2559ef10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36FF609F.DEDA84CA@erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Very sorry to hear this. There seems to have been a rash of YZF thefts in the last 3-weeks. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: James Knowlton [mailto:jugernaut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 6:15 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Stolen Bike > > > Hello all. I'm feeling very bitter this morning. Imagine my > suprise when I woke up this > morning to find my '98 YZF had been stolen. I think I should have > kept my old Radian. > Nobody ever gave that thing a second look. Anyway, anybody see a > cobalt blue YZF tag > XKWIZT, let me know at (H) 703 361 3265 (W) 703 575 3066. I know > the chances of anyone > seeing it are remote, but I gotta do everything I can to save my > baby. Boy, that > wheellock and steering column lock really deterred these > scumbags, didn't it? > > Ride safe everyone. > > Jim (former YZF) > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 10:37:33 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13733 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:23:28 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "Dc Cycles" Subject: RE: Melissa E-Mail Virus Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:24:37 -0500 Message-ID: <00b101be79f8$418a8540$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990329092615.0129f890@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal Thank you Linux! Thank you MacOS! And even though we use M$ at work, thank goodness there are no M$ Office products ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 11:01:43 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14239 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA28224; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:01:36 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA29196; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:01:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:01:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I am proud to report... In-Reply-To: <001701be7971$5feebf60$2c0fa1ce@anita> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since there are now at least two MSF instructors in DC-Cycles would it possible to set up a class for interested list members? I would certainly be willing to compensate you for your time if this could be done. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 11:12:44 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14423 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA16422 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:12:28 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990329161218.IHCJ31194@toddnt> for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:12:18 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Good Weather..... Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:10:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be79fe$a88a1bb0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 ....means be careful. I know a lot of listers don't ride all year around and will now be getting back on the road. Be careful. You are rusty and will probably feel it for awhile. I was out riding some of the local backroads yesterday and chanced upon a roaring ZX11 at a three way stop. He was going my way and tailed me through some nice twistys until I let him pass (me on an XT350). I followed him as best I could, but just could not figure out WHY he needed to continiuously cross the double yellows. I mean almost every turn he was crossing and scraping pegs. Some hero. Hope he didn't crash. Later, I went back home to get my CB out (hasn't been ridden in a couple months). Stopped by and got Linda Tanner, and we were going to do the same backroads for bit. Coming through Hampton Road where the speed limit changes abruptly from 45 to 30, and we just missed witnessing a nice looking CBR do a high-side, rider seeing stars. We slowed, passed and rode on and then decided to go back to make sure there wasn't something we could do to help. Everyone was late 20's and dressed appropriately. The rider got his bell rung, but no other apparent injury. Two R1s', a ZX10, an RF900 and a bashed up CBR. One of the guys kept saying over and over, "it's too early in the season to ride this fast". And they were all talking about how they felt out of shape, certain loss of skills. These people were out of Manassas, so maybe someone here knows them. Just be careful out there you hibernators. Take it to the parking lot and get familiar again. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 11:25:31 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (ww183.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.83]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14616 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28272 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 1999 16:25:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990329162517.28271.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.83 by ww183 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Mon Mar 29 16:25:17 GMT 1999 Date: 29 Mar 99 11:25:17 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Dilemma X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I rode to work today to my Fairfax office and there are three other bikes= already in the bike parking. A brand new Venture Royale (or something) w= ith 103 miles on the odo, a Yamaha Seca II with givi bags and a fair number o= f miles and (closest to the entrance) a Yamaha something big sport bike wis= e with all the decals removed, all black 2300 miles and the key in the igni= tion. I don't know any of these people. The bikes are parked in a parking gar= age, but the bike parking is right at the entrance which is close to the stree= t. I left it alone, but I wonder if I should have removed the key and tried to= find the rider. Or something else. Any suggestions? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 (no name yet) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 11:32:10 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14790 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA22433 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:32:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199903291632.LAA22433@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:29:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Good Weather..... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000901be79fe$a88a1bb0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 29 Mar 99, at 11:10, Todd Peer wrote: > ....means be careful. I know a lot of listers don't ride all year around > and will now be getting back on the road. Be careful. You are rusty and > will probably feel it for awhile. Excellent point, Todd. I know I haven't ridden much this winter with all the bad weather, and I definitely feel rusty. A little better now since I did about a zillion MSF exercises over the past three weeks. But, I know I'll be taking it easy on Saturday's ride, and I encourage others to do the same. Plus you've got sand, gravel, whatever on the roads. All good reasons to be careful! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 11:40:49 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14929 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-111-91.s91.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com (207-172-111-91.s91.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.111.91]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12679; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:40:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903291640.LAA12679@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "Chris Norloff" , "Dc Cycles" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:46:02 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <00b101be79f8$418a8540$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Melissa E-Mail Virus On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:24:37 -0500, George Howell wrote: >Thank you Linux! Thank you MacOS! > >And even though we use M$ at work, thank goodness there are no M$ Office >products And thank you OS/2. :) I have no MickeySoft products. I have the follow up appointment from my shoulder surgery Wednesday. This is killing me not being able to ride. Of course, I can't quite reach the clutch lever yet..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 11:42:02 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14957 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 29 Mar 1999 16:42:00 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA13062 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:41:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:41:54 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Weather..... In-Reply-To: <000901be79fe$a88a1bb0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > ....means be careful. I know a lot of listers don't ride all year around > and will now be getting back on the road. Be careful. You are rusty and > will probably feel it for awhile. > > Later, I went back home to get my CB out (hasn't been ridden in a couple > months). Stopped by and got Linda Tanner, and we were going to do the same > backroads for bit. Coming through Hampton Road where the speed limit > changes abruptly from 45 to 30, and we just missed witnessing a nice looking > CBR do a high-side, rider seeing stars. We slowed, passed and rode on and > then decided to go back to make sure there wasn't something we could do to > help. > > Everyone was late 20's and dressed appropriately. The rider got his bell > rung, but no other apparent injury. Two R1s', a ZX10, an RF900 and a bashed > up CBR. One of the guys kept saying over and over, "it's too early in the > season to ride this fast". And they were all talking about how they felt > out of shape, certain loss of skills. These people were out of Manassas, so > maybe someone here knows them. > > Just be careful out there you hibernators. Take it to the parking lot and > get familiar again. > > Todd Not to flame, but a quick question. Is daily commuting in cold ass weather with electrics on, or driving in crappy snow/sleet really going to keep your skills 'honed'? How is driving in the twisties and going on 300+ miles rides comparable with freezing your arse on the way to work? Yes, I do have a chip on my shoulder about the whole 'dont ride year round' thing. I dont like being cold. And I hate the fact that a lot of people translate this to not being a "True" motorcyclist, or being a "poser" or whatever you want to call it. And before you get riled up todd, this has *nothing* to do with you. I know you ride year round cuz you love it (and yer hard core that way too), and you aren't one of the militant types. But others are, and it annoys me. Shame about the CBR. I guess we're off to an early start this year, eh? Seriously though. Take it to the parking lot? To do that, I'd have to take off them training wheels, right? :) Alex. '97 Suzuki Katana (If I can find the fooking keys. What a load of crap) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 11:43:27 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15032 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-111-91.s91.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com (207-172-111-91.s91.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.111.91]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13676 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:43:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903291643.LAA13676@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:48:46 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I am proud to report... On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:01:35 -0500 (EST), Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > Since there are now at least two MSF instructors in >DC-Cycles would it possible to set up a class for interested >list members? I would certainly be willing to compensate you >for your time if this could be done. I second that. I would like to take the VA riders course. I don't want a MD licence (or a VA one for that matter). I still want the course, though.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 12:07:22 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15571 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:06:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: CB 350 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:06:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Return to those days when motorsickles had breaker points and wire wheels. Friend has two (2) CB 350s for sale. $200 for both (not each!!) One is a 73, runner 10 K The other is a 74 "almost complete parts bike" Have been kept in a barn, spring cleaning has ousted them to the drive way. I haven't seen them. Contact him, not me. William Wilson william.wilson@XXXXXX (202) 501-6742 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 12:09:05 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15575 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA05741; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:08:43 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990329170829.IREC31194@toddnt>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:08:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "LindaT" , "dc" Subject: RE: Dilemma Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:06:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be7a06$80f1df40$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990329162517.28271.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Go get the key and leave a note. If the rider doesn't call before you leave for home, put it back in the ignition and leave another note. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 11:25 AM > To: dc > Subject: Dilemma > > > I rode to work today to my Fairfax office and there are three other bikes > already in the bike parking. A brand new Venture Royale (or > something) with > 103 miles on the odo, a Yamaha Seca II with givi bags and a fair number of > miles and (closest to the entrance) a Yamaha something big sport bike wise > with all the decals removed, all black 2300 miles and the key in > the ignition. > I don't know any of these people. The bikes are parked in a > parking garage, > but the bike parking is right at the entrance which is close to > the street. I > left it alone, but I wonder if I should have removed the key and > tried to find > the rider. Or something else. > > Any suggestions? > > > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) > 86 KLR250 (no name yet) > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 12:15:07 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.183]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15753 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:15:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990329171607.14570.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web301.yahoomail.com; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:16:07 PST Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:16:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Good Weather..... To: alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Alex, I'm not trying to flame as well, but the year round riding doees make some difference..even if it's just freezing your arse off on the way to the office. By having not parked the bike, I am very attuned right now to watching out for lame brain cagers, looking for debris on the road, and in general am still very familiar with my motorcycle. Any time you take an extended period off, you require a certain amount of time to get your brain thinking bikes again as well as refamiliarizing yourself with the bike... Right now, I know how much force is required to lock the rear, how hard I can use the front brakes, how to switch to reserve without every stopping or taking my eyes off the road, etc. I can maintain my focus on my surroundings.... What Todd is saying, is just don't hop right on and expect to ride the same as you did when you parked it in the fall....Most people realize this, but obviously some don't (CBR dude). That's why you'll see me wussying it pretty much for most of the morning sessions this Thursday at the tune and test day at Summit Point. My brain is definitely not used to having 110 hp on tap and superior brakes.... Todd's just trying to say be careful, cause we all want to be riding together rather than visitiing fellow riders in the hospital... CT _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 12:17:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15775 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09029 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26916 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 465 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:17:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990329121232.020aa0d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:17:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Fwd: Re: Motorcycle Online Feedback Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I questioned MC Online with their stupid article about Scott Russell. This was their lame response. >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:11:34 -0800 (PST) >From: Brent Plummer >X-Sender: blip@XXXXXX >To: mike@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Motorcycle Online Feedback > >On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 mike@XXXXXX wrote: > >We had the facts, that's what we reported. He got beat up, had plates put >in his head... > >> name = Mike Troutman >> From = mike@XXXXXX >> country = USA >> model = CB750 >> bike make = Honda >> body = You had no business bosting the Scott Russell article. If you >don;t have the facts, why are you spreading more of the rumors? Poor >journalism in my eyes. >> >> > >Regards, > >Brent Plummer, CEO >Motorcycle Online | http://www.motorcycle.com/ | info@XXXXXX > "The World's Largest and Most-Read Digital Motorsports Magazine" > > > ___________________________________________ “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 12:30:04 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16061 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA11194; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:25:44 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990329172859.IUPM31194@toddnt>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:28:59 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Alex Milenkovic" , Subject: RE: Good Weather..... Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:27:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be7a09$5ec5fac0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Alex Milenkovic wrote: > > Not to flame, but a quick question. > > Is daily commuting in cold ass weather with electrics on, or driving in > crappy snow/sleet really going to keep your skills 'honed'? How is driving > in the twisties and going on 300+ miles rides comparable with freezing > your arse on the way to work? Believe it or not, there are some people who ride 300+ miles in just about any kind of weather. I usually stop at rain/sleet/snow though. FWIW, simply riding to work and back will keep some of your basic skill intact (braking, throttle control, scanning ahead, mirror use, etc..) for when you plan for the twisties. > > Yes, I do have a chip on my shoulder about the whole 'dont ride year > round' thing. I dont like being cold. And I hate the fact that a lot of > people translate this to not being a "True" motorcyclist, or being > a "poser" or whatever you want to call it. > > And before you get riled up todd, this has *nothing* to do with you. > I know you ride year round cuz you love it (and yer hard core that > way too), and you aren't one of the militant types. But others are, > and it annoys me. > > Shame about the CBR. I guess we're off to an early start this year, eh? I expect more of the same for the same reasons, which is why I wanted to get some caution out there. And I am not immune to crashing either. Everyone here who rides is susceptible to crashing, but I'd wager those with less practiced skills are more so. > > Seriously though. Take it to the parking lot? To do that, I'd have to > take off them training wheels, right? :) > I am serious about this. I go to the parking lot frequently to practice slow speed cornering, test limits of my braking and rear wheel traction. I know two other riders here who do the same thing, and they are very good riders. This isn't some silly idea, it's good practice. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 13:01:07 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16687 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA32116 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:01:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199903291801.NAA32116@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:58:35 -0500 Subject: RE: Good Weather..... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000e01be7a09$5ec5fac0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 29 Mar 99, at 12:27, Todd Peer wrote: > I am serious about this. I go to the parking lot frequently to practice > slow speed cornering, test limits of my braking and rear wheel traction. I > know two other riders here who do the same thing, and they are very good > riders. This isn't some silly idea, it's good practice. For those out in the Sterling direction, I recommend the parking lot at the NVCC campus on Rte 7. The course for the MSF class is painted on the pavement there including circles for figure-8's and boxes for sharp corners. You can use tennis balls cut in half instead of cones (great idea from Mike B.). Even though I only rode the class bikes (125's and 250's) during the instructor course, the parking lot practice did greatly help my skills. I noticed a big difference this morning as I rode my bike in to work this morning, especially in cornering and low-speed maneuvers. Anita '96 GPZ1100 (nice to have some *power* for a change!) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 13:01:21 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16697 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AFE837040260; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:01:12 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990329125113.012cbf10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:56:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Good Weather..... In-Reply-To: References: <000901be79fe$a88a1bb0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:41 AM 3/29/99 , Alex Milenkovic wrote: >Is daily commuting in cold ass weather with electrics on, or driving in >crappy snow/sleet really going to keep your skills 'honed'? Absolutely. Regular riding contributes to knowing how to handle the bike, the weather, the traffic, the road, and yourself under a wide variety of conditions. Accidents happen when something "unusual" [translate: "unexpected"] happens. >How is driving >in the twisties and going on 300+ miles rides comparable with freezing >your arse on the way to work? There's lot of similarities, and a lot of differences. But if you're freezing, then you need to dress better or get a better windshield - hypothermia is a killer. >Yes, I do have a chip on my shoulder about the whole 'dont ride year >round' thing. I dont like being cold. And I hate the fact that a lot of >people translate this to not being a "True" motorcyclist, or being >a "poser" or whatever you want to call it. I can understand that. I have a hard time reconciling riding with driving a car with a motorcycle window sticker that says what kind of bike the driver isn't riding. I don't have an answer, it's all in riding how you want to ride. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 13:15:17 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (ww181.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.81]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16932 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21323 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 1999 18:14:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990329181449.21322.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.81 by ww181 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Mon Mar 29 18:14:48 GMT 1999 Date: 29 Mar 99 13:14:48 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Re: Dilemma X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all who provided suggestions. I went out a lunch to follow-up = and the bike was gone =3D:-o I sure hope the owner was the one who rode off... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 (no name yet) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 13:32:00 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17200 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:31:58 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2XWGa07227 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:24:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <730260f1.36ffc553@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:24:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Good Weather..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 I would assume that the person is unable to ride that day for whatever reason - maybe they're hauling something in the truck that just won't fit on the tail of the bike :D Marcy In a message dated 3/29/99 1:10:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > I have a hard time reconciling riding with driving > a car with a motorcycle window sticker that says what kind of bike the > driver isn't riding. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 13:56:09 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web507.yahoomail.com (web507.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17597 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:56:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990329185925.11801.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.159.1.17] by web507.yahoomail.com; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:59:25 PST Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:59:25 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: t-shirts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The shirts are at the printers, so the order is effectively closed. The shirts use logo "1b". Sorry to anybody who missed this batch. Sean Sullivan --- Erik Schelzig wrote: > > I guess I got on the list after the call for cash on > t-shirts went out. > Are enough being made up for late-orders? Which of > the 14 designs on the > website got chosen, if any? > > Erik > > > ==== > Erik J. Schelzig > http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 14:01:22 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f246.hotmail.com [209.185.130.211]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17812 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37323 invoked by uid 0); 29 Mar 1999 19:01:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990329190119.37322.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:01:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] From: "Leon Begeman" To: Turnip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I am proud to report... Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:01:19 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain "Hugh A. Caldwell" asked: > Since there are now at least two MSF instructors in >DC-Cycles would it possible to set up a class for interested >list members? I would certainly be willing to compensate you >for your time if this could be done. > I doubt it can be done. At the Maryland update this year, Ron Billingsley (the manager of the Maryland Program) mentioned that one of the accomplishments of the program in 1998 was to shut down an illegal training operation run by an individual who was a certified instructor in Pennsylvania but was doing individual training for people in Maryland. He specialized in training those who had failed the standard course, with the goal of training them well enough to pass the riding test at the MVA. The MSF frowns on (takes legal action against) people using their material outside of an approved course. What we've done with some success is to get together in a parking lot to ride circles. It isn't a course, it's just a bunch of people getting together to ride. The only difference between this and a normal ride is that we don't go anywhere we just ride in circles around the parking lot. Does anyone know of a large parking lot that's empty on the weekend and is within walking distance of a fast food restaurant? That way the circles event could last longer. Leon Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 14:21:27 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18195 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22533 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:21:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:21:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: I am proud to report... In-Reply-To: <19990329190119.37322.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Leon Begeman wrote: > The MSF frowns on (takes legal action against) people using their > material outside of an approved course. I guess that's understandable, albeit, a little contrary to the mission of the organization. Is it the funds they're after? I'm sure there are a lot of legal ramifications... bleah... > What we've done with some success is to get together in a parking lot to > ride circles. Yeah, when's the next circles event? I've got the perfect tool for it now (CB125...). :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 14:32:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18397 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA11746; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:31:57 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990329193147.JMOJ31194@toddnt>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:31:47 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Good Weather..... Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:29:54 -0500 Message-ID: <001501be7a1a$85ad2d50$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990329125113.012cbf10@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I can understand that. I have a hard time reconciling riding with driving > a car with a motorcycle window sticker that says what kind of bike the > driver isn't riding. I don't have an answer, it's all in riding how you > want to ride. > > Chris Norloff You just described my next door neighbor. She's got a little sporty that hasn't seen the sunlight in a long time. What's funny is all her bluster about buying American and her with the sticker on her Isuzu. I think she finally wised up and bought a Ford. It too has a sticker. ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 15:04:30 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18998 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id ACCA46150260; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:04:26 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990329150039.012c2570@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:01:56 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Good Weather..... In-Reply-To: <001501be7a1a$85ad2d50$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990329125113.012cbf10@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:29 PM 3/29/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >You just described my next door neighbor. She's got a little sporty that >hasn't seen the sunlight in a long time. What's funny is all her bluster >about buying American and her with the sticker on her Isuzu. I think she >finally wised up and bought a Ford. It too has a sticker. >;) >Todd I sure hope she removed all the "non-American" parts from the bike she doesn't ride! :-o Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 15:28:33 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (www0e.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19504 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13162 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 1999 20:28:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990329202807.13161.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.34 by www0e via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Mon Mar 29 20:28:07 GMT 1999 Date: 29 Mar 99 15:28:07 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Re: Good Weather X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That reminds me of something I saw yesterday. A brand new big SUV of the= Navigator/Expedition ilk, still with paper tags AND and trailer hitch wit= h a gen-u-wine Harley Davidson cover on the hitch slot. See, they plan ahead. ;-) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 (no name yet) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 16:18:31 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20552 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:18:30 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id rDHAa17081; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:58:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:58:55 EST To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goodbye Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/27/99 1:43:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: << Goodbye everyone, I finally escaped Baltimore and made it to Fort Lauderdale. My six bikes and I and the truck and trailer to haul them are now looking for a home. Although I hated the weather (and the Maryland cage pilots) I will miss the great riding areas, something this area seems to have an absence of. Ray >> Goodbye Ray. It was nice knowing you. Keep in touch. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 16:42:47 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f148.hotmail.com [209.185.131.211]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21082 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30393 invoked by uid 0); 29 Mar 1999 21:42:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19990329214250.30392.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:42:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.23] From: "Leon Begeman" To: alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Weather..... Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:42:50 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Alex asked: >Is daily commuting in cold ass weather with electrics on, or driving in >crappy snow/sleet really going to keep your skills 'honed'? It hones some of them; the tires don't heat up and the bike slides more frequently. In the summer it's tough to keep one's skills up because the bike won't reach traction limits as easily. OTOH, in winter one doesn't get much practice touching the pegs down. > How is driving >in the twisties and going on 300+ miles rides comparable with freezing >your arse on the way to work? Your arse gets a lot colder on 300+ miles rides in the middle of winter than just going to work. And the twisties have more ice on them in the winter than in the summer. :-) > >Yes, I do have a chip on my shoulder about the whole 'dont ride year >round' thing. I dont like being cold. And I hate the fact that a lot of >people translate this to not being a "True" motorcyclist, or being >a "poser" or whatever you want to call it. I don't care why you weren't riding, just that you weren't. When Brian gets back to riding, he'll need to be careful, too. It doesn't matter what the reason is, if you haven't been riding for a while, your skills get rusty. >Seriously though. Take it to the parking lot? To do that, I'd have to >take off them training wheels, right? :) On the last circles exercise (on the day of Todd's party,) three different people dropped bikes - - in a parking lot. Ask Horkster - where would he rather drop a bike? Personally, I spend a lot of time in parking lots this time of year. The traction changes from 'slide without leaning at all' to 'lean it over until the hard parts drag' Riding takes practice, for everyone. Leon. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 16:58:27 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21348 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26315 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:58:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:58:23 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Good Weather..... In-Reply-To: <19990329214250.30392.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Leon Begeman wrote: > On the last circles exercise (on the day of Todd's party,) three > different people dropped bikes - - in a parking lot. I thought there were four people who fell (or was that three people who just dropped their bikes? I crashed...). I certainly learned something, it's hard to save a low side, even at low speed. When I fell I didn't even have time to think, "that ain't right". I also learned the bike will slide quite aways, even at low speed... Still more learning - you should wear your gear even in a parking lot. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 17:18:56 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21725 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AA1CCA00EA; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:09:32 EST Message-ID: <36FFFC23.126759CC@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:18:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Weather..... References: <19990329214250.30392.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > Ask Horkster - where would he rather drop a bike? Let's see. How about a showroom? Yeah, then the bike probably wouldn't be mine! :) (And no, I won't be visiting any of you dealers anytime soon. Relax. :) Second choice would probably be the moon. It wouldn't fall quite so hard, and it would be easier to pick up. I bet you could catch serious air off of some of that terrain. Can we say Low Lunar Orbit! :) Have to pack your own oxygen, though (for rider and bike). Hey those saddlebags could serve ANOTHER purpose. :) Although I must say, from my personal experience, dropping the bike in a parking lot at 1 mph sure beats highsiding on the street at 20. I'll risk a few more parking lot drops if it reduces my chances of crashing for real out on the street. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's. Mine. Ours. :) 1987 Suzuki Savage - Unretired. 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - RIP From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 17:30:17 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21995 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:30:15 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA20371; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:31:27 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018535; Mon, 29 Mar 99 13:05:03 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9D00LS1BLXN0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256743.00632ADA ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:03:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:01:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Dilemma To: LindaT Cc: dc Message-id: <85256743.0062F5F3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL This happened to me as well. It was easy ... I took the key, gave it to the 24 hour receptionist, and left a note on the bike for the owner. --chris To: dc cc: From: LindaT Date: 03/29/99 04:25:17 PM GMT Subject: Dilemma I rode to work today to my Fairfax office and there are three other bikes already in the bike parking. A brand new Venture Royale (or something) with 103 miles on the odo, a Yamaha Seca II with givi bags and a fair number of miles and (closest to the entrance) a Yamaha something big sport bike wise with all the decals removed, all black 2300 miles and the key in the ignition. I don't know any of these people. The bikes are parked in a parking garage, but the bike parking is right at the entrance which is close to the street. I left it alone, but I wonder if I should have removed the key and tried to find the rider. Or something else. Any suggestions? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 (no name yet) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 18:10:45 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22592 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (dc-csesp129.idsonline.com [207.176.21.129]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA03097 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Point of order Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001501be7a39$8a9074c0$8115b0cf@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In other news... Some of you may recall that I signed the wife and > myself up for an MSF course at the end of May. Well, on Saturday we > pick up her new bike! It is a '99 Enfield 350 Bullet. She had a 250 > Rebel about 10 years ago, but I failed miserably at teaching her to > ride. This time, with the help of the MSF, it will be different. The MSF does NOT teach the course. MSF simply supplies the materials (for a fee). You take the course at various sites that use the MSF materials. I'm guess that your wife is taking the course at some community college in VA, is that correct? What was the tuition amount? Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 19:02:20 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA23638 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:02:18 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id TAA04729; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:02:12 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022984; Mon, 29 Mar 99 16:15:33 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9D006XFKF2H3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256743.00749778 ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:13:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:03:59 -0400 Subject: FS: 1992 Yamaha Seca II To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256743.0071E1C0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hi all. I'm putting my 1992 Yamaha Seca II up for sale =^( in order to get a downpayment together for a new VTR =^D. It's red, about 22,000 miles on the odometer, with new tires put on by the folks at Fast Lane Cycles a few weeks ago. Stored under bike cover 100% of the time that I wasn't riding it. It's been an excellent beginner bike for me and very reliable. I'm asking for $1,500 or best offer. I live in Manassas. If the buyer is a newbie and doesn't know how to ride yet (as I was when I bought it), I can arrange to deliver it to their home if they're in the DC area. I'll throw in an Arai full-face helmet (slightly battered) that I got with the bike when I bought it. Please help me find a home for this friendly bike. Feel free to distribute this to any other lists you all might be on and thanks in advance for any help. Chris Weaver (703)330-0908 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 19:30:00 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24071 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA29454 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:29:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:29:56 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Local shops with used dirt bikes Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm in the market for a 4 stroke dirt bike (with a preference towards XRs from 250-350 ccs). Are there any local shops that tend to carry such bikes? I've called around to a few but with little luck so far.... Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 20:04:53 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckgppxy1.att.com [12.20.58.148]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24742 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id UAA09724 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE7A1F.4BF49E90@XXXXXX>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Point of order Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:04:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Um... OK. How about this: "This time, with the help of the MSF supplied literature, and the person trained by the person who was trained by the person... who was supplied with some literature from the MSF..." Is there some subtle shade of meaning that I am missing here? I don't get it. Sorry if I have offended anyone. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Point of order Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:11:56 -0500 The MSF does NOT teach the course. MSF simply supplies the materials (for a fee). You take the course at various sites that use the MSF materials. I'm guess that your wife is taking the course at some community college in VA, is that correct? What was the tuition amount? Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 20:15:11 1999 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25018 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from horse3 (dynamic198.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.198]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA16777 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:13:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008d01be79e6$27a7cd20$45e9fea9@horse3> From: "Mike B>" To: "DCCyles" Subject: Re: I am proud to report... Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:14:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 6:25 PM Subject: I am proud to report... >.. that as of this afternoon I have successfully completed the Motorcycle >Safety Instructor Course, and am now certified to teach the MRC:RSS >(Motorcycle Rider Course: Riding and Street Skills) in the Commonwealth of >Virginia... > >WOO-HOO! :-) Congratulations Anita!!! :-) Mike B. 98 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 21:19:59 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA26051 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:19:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990330022542.14884.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.36.121] by web307.yahoomail.com; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:25:42 PST Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:25:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Good Weather..... To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmmm I think Kirk's right.. it was at least 4 of us ;-) with Kirk and I falling on the big circles and Dale and Sean falling over on the small circles... CT _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 21:58:30 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26783 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:54:26 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: CB 350 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:55:41 -0500 Message-ID: <00c101be7a58$cc28f6e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal This is gonna take some hustling.... Closed on a house today. There MUST be $200 somewhere. Hmmm... Maybe all that change I've been cleaning off the floor of my apartment while packing... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Return to those days when motorsickles had breaker points and wire wheels. > Friend has two (2) CB 350s for sale. > $200 for both (not each!!) > One is a 73, runner 10 K > The other is a 74 "almost complete parts bike" > Have been kept in a barn, spring cleaning has ousted them to the > drive way. > I haven't seen them. > Contact him, not me. > William Wilson > william.wilson@XXXXXX > (202) 501-6742 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 29 22:37:17 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA27487 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:37:15 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id WAA22527; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:35:59 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022444; Mon, 29 Mar 99 22:35:45 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9E00HPS215SH@XXXXXX>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256744.0013935F ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:33:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:32:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Good Weather..... To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <85256744.00136911.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I thought Sean fell over in both! ;-) Does that count twice? Enquiring Minds ... --chris To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: From: "Collin T. Fagan" Date: 03/30/99 02:25:42 AM GMT Subject: Re: Good Weather..... Hmmm I think Kirk's right.. it was at least 4 of us ;-) with Kirk and I falling on the big circles and Dale and Sean falling over on the small circles... CT _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 00:30:36 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29310 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:30:35 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2QOVa03882; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:27:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2ceefd97.370060b4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:27:16 EST To: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Collecting for a DC-Cycles Dyno.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 ....I figure if I can get 25 people to put up $400 each, we could get a DC- Cycles Dyno!!! Yeah, baby! But seriously....took the CBR1k out to the dyno at Fastlane today, (and ran into Collin on the way out), and confirmed what I had long suspected. The bike makes a few ponies. 111.1 at the rear wheel, in fact Nice smooth powerband too. 65 ft-lbs. torque, hitting it right about 6 grand and keeping a nice straight line all the way to 8500. The Old Man's GSX1100G made about 98 ponies, but was putting somewhere around 70-75 ft-lbs. of torque....should have seen the shaft effect! I thought the rear wheel was going to come off the dyno. Maybe we can all go out and get dyno runs, and Anita can post the results on her site.... -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 06:56:51 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06688 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust045.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.45]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA07944 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:57:35 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990330065501.006a9c94@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:55:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Collecting for a DC-Cycles Dyno.... In-Reply-To: <2ceefd97.370060b4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok. Count me in - not for the collection for the dyno, but to contribute to your list of data. For your database, the moped did 4.25 HP at 8500 RPM on the dyno at FastLane. Not bad considering the manufacturer rated it at 1.9 HP at 5000 RPM. Leon. At 12:27 AM 3/30/99 EST, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >....I figure if I can get 25 people to put up $400 each, we could get a DC- >Cycles Dyno!!! Yeah, baby! But seriously....took the CBR1k out to the dyno at >Fastlane today, (and ran into Collin on the way out), and confirmed what I had >long suspected. The bike makes a few ponies. 111.1 at the rear wheel, in fact >Nice smooth powerband too. 65 ft-lbs. torque, hitting it right about 6 grand >and keeping a nice straight line all the way to 8500. The Old Man's GSX1100G >made about 98 ponies, but was putting somewhere around 70-75 ft-lbs. of >torque....should have seen the shaft effect! I thought the rear wheel was >going to come off the dyno. Maybe we can all go out and get dyno runs, and >Anita can post the results on her site.... > >-Sean Jordan > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 07:06:32 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06904 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:06:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Good Weather..... Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:06:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > > I don't care why you weren't riding, just that you weren't. > When Brian gets back to riding, he'll need to be careful, too. It > doesn't matter what the reason is, if you haven't been riding for a while, > your skills get rusty. a'yup.. already been thinking about that. Of course it'll be a little different for me.. when I get back on a bike, I'm going to HAVE to take it easy while still trying to build my muscles and endurance. First thing's I'm going to do (after some 'normal' riding to scrub in new tires) is hit a parking lot so I can practice my braking.. almost saved me once.. might save me next time. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 07:40:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07347 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A633BC83029E; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:40:19 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990330073716.012ba670@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:37:46 -0500 To: dc From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Good Weather In-Reply-To: <19990329202807.13161.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:28 PM 3/29/99 , LindaT wrote: >That reminds me of something I saw yesterday. A brand new big SUV of the >Navigator/Expedition ilk, still with paper tags AND and trailer hitch with a >gen-u-wine Harley Davidson cover on the hitch slot. > >See, they plan ahead. ;-) >LindaT. I wonder if that was the Harley signature edition of the SUV? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 08:10:36 1999 Return-Path: fastlanecycles@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07823 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from fastlanecycles.erols.com (207-172-65-148.s148.tnt24.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.65.148]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21308 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:16:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903301316.IAA21308@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Rick Beggs" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: ..... Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:23:13 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UNSUBSCRIBE ---------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 08:17:48 1999 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07968 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:17:47 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2MFNa15398 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:16:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3b58d00f.3700cea6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:16:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Collecting for a DC-Cycles Dyno.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 3/30/99 07:02:26 Eastern Standard Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << For your database, the moped did 4.25 HP at 8500 RPM on the dyno at FastLane. Not bad considering the manufacturer rated it at 1.9 HP at 5000 RPM. >> That's VERY impressive for a moped. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 09:17:15 1999 Return-Path: fastlanecycles@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08927 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from fastlanecycles.erols.com (207-172-33-141.s141.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.33.141]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21618 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:17:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903301417.JAA21618@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Rick Beggs" To: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:30:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 09:39:09 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09303 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:39:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: locks.. Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:39:02 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) oh.. something just popped into mind.. the other day Collin and I were 'perusing' though my local Home Depot.. and there, hanging on the wall, were the Kryptonite cables and locks... much cheaper than any MC shop, and a better selection of sizes/legnths.... I think for $10 you could get a nice smaller lock that would easily fold up into a tank-bag, or under your seat.. and for $27 you could get the nice heavy duty thing to lock your bike to your car (the bumper on my Jeep made for a handy locking point with my VF500f a couple years back).. Just thought I'd share the wealth of information.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 10:25:04 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10092 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA25480 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA03301 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:24:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903301524.KAA03301@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:26:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Fort Valley Trail Ride Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Anyone going to the Fort Valley Trail Ride on the 11th of April? I could ride my DR there, but would really like to hitch a ride with someone with a trailer / truck. Any takers? In case you don't know about it, you can go to the Northern Va.Trail Riders web site (they are sponsoring it) and learn more. http://www.nvtr.org or call Rob or Don at 703-967-0650. Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '93 DR 350 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 13:20:38 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web501.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13384 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:20:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990330182533.6786.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [128.11.68.69] by web501.yahoomail.com; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:25:33 PST Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:25:33 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Good Weather..... To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like an exaggeration to me, Chris, probably born out of beer-fueled stories at the party afterward. Sean "deny everything" Sullivan --- christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > I thought Sean fell over in both! ;-) Does that > count twice? > > Enquiring Minds ... > --chris > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 14:45:15 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14977 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:44:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Good Weather Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:44:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Dewinterized my bikes Friday afternoon. Hosed them down well to get salt and spooge out of the crevices. Followed by Simple Green, more water, ride to dry, and S-100 on the Sabre's engine. Newbies and tyros beware: Lots of sand in the corners of residential streets. Mount Weather (VA 601?) had lots of grit or whatever on some of the higher elevation curves. =:^O Mt Trigo road (Wash Co, MD) A.O.K. ;^) Faquier Co Sheriff's dept gave me a "dumbass award" for improper passing on Rt 9 (Concentrating on traffic -- straight road -- 0:^) and didn't see the dirt brown car until I was within 30 yards of him) :^( So much for "honed skills" sic transit Saturday Leon Begeman posted: " . . .one of the accomplishments of the program in 1998 was to shut down an illegal training operation run by an individual who was a certified instructor in Pennsylvania but was doing individual training for people in Maryland. " Grodsky - from Rider mag? Carl in Bethesda '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008 "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a fallacy - not a proof From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 17:31:03 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18062 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (dc-csesp61.idsonline.com [207.176.21.61]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA01167; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:29:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Crishock, Richard" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Point of order Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:32:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be7afd$2a448240$3d15b0cf@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Um... OK. How about this: > > "This time, with the help of the MSF supplied literature, and the person > trained by the person who was trained by the person... who was supplied > with some literature from the MSF..." Rich: the MSF likes to keep things straight, as do the agencies providing the instruction. MSF creates the curriculum, which they then sell to the training agency. The MSF trains Chief Instructors who in turn train and certify course Instructors as being MSF certified to teach the MSF materials. But the MSF does NOT do the training. That is done by the agencies themselves. That was the point I was trying to make. So when someone comes along and says "I took a course GIVEN by the MSF...", that is not the case. I was trying to make it clear between giving the course and creating the curricula materials. If you have any other questions, please get in touch off-list. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 19:10:51 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19846 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-216.s25.as4.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.216]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10212 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:10:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002201be7b0a$f50b4b00$d84daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: let's ride Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:10:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I finally got to my brothers and swapped my truck for the bike. It was great to be riding again. Lots of sand on the road so watch out. Looks like Saturdays weather should be ok. I look forward to meeting some of the riders on the DCCycles server. See ya Saturday and be safe. Brian N. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 19:25:12 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20108 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-35-230.s230.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.35.230]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29749; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:31:16 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" , "cbr" Subject: My new toy Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:27:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00ae01be7b0d$35906780$b42daccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I finally got my KLR out on the road (not legally, unfortunately) and I'm still smiling. It is really a kick and I even rode it in the dirt on purpose. Whoooppee!! I can't get it past inspection until I figure out why the brake light doesn't work with the front brakes, but then, look out!!! LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 19:35:02 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20328 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA11344; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:34:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <370198E5.2DBE@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:39:17 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: re: locks.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > oh.. something just popped into mind.. the other day Collin and I were > 'perusing' though my local Home Depot.. and there, hanging on the wall, > were the Kryptonite cables and locks... much cheaper than any MC shop, and a > better selection of sizes/legnths.... I think for $10 you could get a nice > smaller lock that would easily fold up into a tank-bag, or under your seat.. > and for $27 you could get the nice heavy duty thing to lock your bike to > your car (the bumper on my Jeep made for a handy locking point with my > VF500f a couple years back).. Good suggestion Brian. I saw these at my local HD and ended up buying a mofo 8' cable and a U-Lock, both of which should secure leathers and bike when walking around somewhere. Also big enough to lock a couple of bikes together. John N.B. Hope you're on the mend! From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 23:26:46 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24116 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03327 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:28:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:28:55 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: "'dc'" Subject: feet down, feet up Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A friend of mine who took the safety course at Nova said that they teach you to leave the bike in first gear when at a stop with your hand on the clutch so you can take off if a car is going to hit you. Is this true? Is this realistic? Or is this just a good habit that I probably won't pick up any time soon. On another (similar) note, is it a good idea to take the course even if you have ridded for a couple years without it. Three night/days seems like an awful long time to get the basic safety info if you already know how to ride. On the flip side, is the experienced course also good for insurance discounts if you haven't taken the beginner course? thanks, erik ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 23:31:15 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24270 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03409 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:33:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:33:24 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: "'dc'" Subject: state lines Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lets say, hypothetically, that you happened upon the Memorial Bridge when there wasn't any traffic on it, and you decided to open the throttle and roar over the bridge between Virginia and the District at 80 mph. Since this is almost no-mans-land, which law enforcement agency could pick you off doing it? Now I've seen DC motorcycle cops clearing the barricades at the Arlington Cemetary circle at 9am, but are they just doing a favor or would they also take you in for traffic violations? Why do I ask? Well, I was fuming about crazy traffic one the way out of town on Monday and I couldn't help but think of what fun it would be to let loose on the same bridge I was dragging my feet accross that lame afternoon. allbests, erik ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 30 23:55:38 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24611 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.21]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:51:31 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "LindaT" , "DC-CYCLES" , "cbr" Subject: RE: My new toy Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:53:01 -0500 Message-ID: <00f601be7b32$5af2dec0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <00ae01be7b0d$35906780$b42daccf@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal How did the seat height issue work out? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 00:06:51 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24885 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.21]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:02:44 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Erik Schelzig" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:04:15 -0500 Message-ID: <00f701be7b33$ec48dfe0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Yup, they tell you to keep it in first at lights. I usually do for the reasons they mention (keep from getting steamrolled). I also stay to one side of the lane or the other so that if I need to MOVE I can dart between two cars. Not sure about the insurance issue. Your agent would be the best person to ask. Also can't comment about the course. I took and passed it about eight months before riding on the street. I can say that it won't hurt. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 00:08:07 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24895 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.21]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:04:01 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Erik Schelzig" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: state lines Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:05:31 -0500 Message-ID: <00f801be7b34$1a04f180$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal I think DC, VA, and MD have some agreements to allow overlap of jurisdiction. If you're gonna let loose, do it when the man ain't in sight. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 00:12:50 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24974 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA04857; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:15:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:15:00 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: George Howell cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up In-Reply-To: <00f701be7b33$ec48dfe0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, George Howell wrote: > Yup, they tell you to keep it in first at lights. I usually do for the > reasons they mention (keep from getting steamrolled). I also stay to one > side of the lane or the other so that if I need to MOVE I can dart between > two cars. do you sit at lights, staring in your mirrors, guaging the approach speeds of oncoming vehicles? sounds kind of difficult/impossible to me. > > Not sure about the insurance issue. Your agent would be the best person to > ask. Also can't comment about the course. I took and passed it about eight > months before riding on the street. I can say that it won't hurt. I'm not trying to belittle motorcycle saftey - far from it! - and thus agree that it can't hurt. On the other hand, time is of the essence, so I'm trying to figure out my best line of attack/education. allbests, erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 00:31:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25282 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA07761 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:31:07 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA17930 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2TTPa18970; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:30:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <93f1e000.3701b2dd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:30:05 EST To: schelzig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: state lines Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there reciprocity (sp?) between MD, VA, and DC? From what I understand, that means they have jurisdiction into 1 mile of each other's borders, or something like that. Surest bet is to not get caught so you don't have to find out. ;) Just my $.01. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 00:34:25 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25295 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:30:18 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Erik Schelzig" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <00f901be7b37$c620ab00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > do you sit at lights, staring in your mirrors, gauging the approach speeds > of oncoming vehicles? sounds kind of difficult/impossible to me. I do, and it's not hard at all. Bike mirrors aren't convex, they're flat, so speeds are pretty easy to judge. It only takes a glance every second or two. A little practice, and you won't notice. > I'm not trying to belittle motorcycle safety - far from it! - and thus > agree that it can't hurt. On the other hand, time is of the essence, so > I'm trying to figure out my best line of attack/education. Either the RSS or the ERC is going to be the best return on time if you are trying to learn how to ride better. If you've only been riding for a year or two, you won't get anything from a race course except hurt maybe. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 00:42:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25443 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA07848 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:42:08 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18015 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 1LBCa03226; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:39:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:39:52 EST To: schelzig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: feet down, feet up Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 I think keeping the bike in first at a stop is a good idea, and I can think of a few reasons. 1. when the light turns green, you're already in gear... no lag time 2. in theory (I practice it), you're supposed to plan an "escape route" in case a car comes up behind you very fast and is likely to rear-end you. You see someone coming fast and it doesn't look like they're going to stop, get outa the way! I heard about a guy who was killed by a drunk driver that rear- ended him while he was sitting at a light in neutral. Just food for thought... When I took the Maryland MSF beginners course, there were several riders there that had ridden for years (including me... ahem) . They all said they benefitted from taking the course, and I agree. It was a good experience well worth the time and money, IMHO. Again, just my $.01. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 00:51:57 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25632 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id AAA19897; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:51:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:51:41 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Erik Schelzig cc: George Howell , "'dc'" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Erik Schelzig wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, George Howell wrote: > > do you sit at lights, staring in your mirrors, guaging the approach speeds > of oncoming vehicles? sounds kind of difficult/impossible to me. I do. Especially here in Alexandria where red lights are often optional it seems. I do the same thing as George (stay toward the edge of the lane) and was able to avoid being sandwitched last month by some dumb ass lady who didn't notice the three lanes of traffic stopped ahead of her (This is on the west end of Duke St, 6 lanes wide, divided median). Dropped the clutch, zipped up between the two cars ahead of me. My bike would not have fit in the space left over between her car and the one I was sitting behind moments before (She, of course, locked up the breaks and slid, almost taking out not only the car in front of her (Which would have included me), but the car next to her due to not knowing how to brake in a straight line). Checking your mirrors at least untill someone is stopped behind you is generally a good thing to do. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 00:56:35 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25655 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id AAA19909 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:56:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:56:29 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: state lines In-Reply-To: <93f1e000.3701b2dd@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Running to the state line is a thing of the past... Not only do DC, MD, and VA have a policy giving them juristiction pretty much anywhere, ANY police can chase you right over the state lines. The advent of modern communications allows police in pursuit to simply radio ahead and ask for permission to continue pursuit. This is of course granted, and in addition, backup is arranged. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 05:39:11 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01511 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-44-209.s209.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.44.209]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA27819 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:45:20 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: [cbr] RE: My new toy Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:41:06 -0500 Message-ID: <00b101be7b62$fb333080$b42daccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <00f601be7b32$5af2dec0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I lowered the rear shock to the max and I cut an inch of foam out of the seat. Seems pretty good now. I can't flatfoot, but I can reach. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ George Howell asked: How did the seat height issue work out? From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 06:52:25 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA02627 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:49:51 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F53838B@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'Erik Schelzig'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: state lines Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:49:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I think part of the answer to your question is the Potomac River. VA wants nothing to do with it. So if you step foot in the river from the VA side you will be in either MD, DC, or WV. But anyhow police can chase you over the border so to speak. Glenn Lets say, hypothetically, that you happened upon the Memorial Bridge when there wasn't any traffic on it, and you decided to open the throttle and roar over the bridge between Virginia and the District at 80 mph. Since this is almost no-mans-land, which law enforcement agency could pick you off doing it? Now I've seen DC motorcycle cops clearing the barricades at the Arlington Cemetary circle at 9am, but are they just doing a favor or would they also take you in for traffic violations? Why do I ask? Well, I was fuming about crazy traffic one the way out of town on Monday and I couldn't help but think of what fun it would be to let loose on the same bridge I was dragging my feet accross that lame afternoon. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 07:44:37 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03364 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A8B11790214; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:44:33 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990331072702.02755100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:36:16 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: feet down, feet up In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:28 PM 3/30/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >A friend of mine who took the safety course at Nova said that they teach >you to leave the bike in first gear when at a stop with your hand on the >clutch so you can take off if a car is going to hit you. > >Is this true? Is this realistic? Or is this just a good habit that I >probably won't pick up any time soon. Very true, very realistic. It also helps shifting because most bikes shift easier when moving than when standing still. For myself, once there's two cars behind me I might shift into neutral to ease my hand, figuring that two cars behind me are protection. (I know one car isn't - a buddy got hit that way ... an idiot in a cage couldn't stop, rear-ended the car behind my buddy, which then hit my buddy. He was okay but it did a lot of damage to the bike (new Harley)). >On another (similar) note, is it a good idea to take the course even if >you have ridded for a couple years without it. Three night/days seems >like an awful long time to get the basic safety info if you already know >how to ride. If you can explain how counter-steering is used and the proper procedures for braking in a corner (basic braking and maximum braking), then you could probably go right to the experienced course. On the other hand, I taught for 8 years and have seen people who swore they had 20 years of riding experience, and I believed them, and they couldn't even complete the basic course. >On the flip side, is the experienced course also good for >insurance discounts if you haven't taken the beginner course? That depends on your insurance company. Mine, the no-accidents-for-a-year discount is the same as the one for taking the course -- so it comes out as a wash that way. But taking the course for what you can learn is worth a lot. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 07:44:37 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03363 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A8B01790214; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:44:32 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990331072457.02753bf0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:26:28 -0500 To: "Dc-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Point of order In-Reply-To: <000801be7afd$2a448240$3d15b0cf@henrywin> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:32 PM 3/30/99 , Henry S. Winokur wrote: >Rich: the MSF likes to keep things straight, as do the agencies providing >the instruction. MSF creates the curriculum, which they then sell to the >training agency. The MSF trains Chief Instructors who in turn train and >certify course Instructors as being MSF certified to teach the MSF >materials. But the MSF does NOT do the training. That is done by the >agencies themselves. That was the point I was trying to make. I agree with what Henry says, but add that now the MSF actually does run at least one state program - New Mexico, I think. The politicians got messed in the program and basically killed it. MSF was the only group willing to run the program. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 07:44:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03370 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A8B31790214; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:44:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990331073826.02755010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:43:52 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: feet down, feet up In-Reply-To: References: <00f701be7b33$ec48dfe0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:15 AM 3/31/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >do you sit at lights, staring in your mirrors, guaging the approach speeds >of oncoming vehicles? sounds kind of difficult/impossible to me. A rear-end collision caused by a car driver is the most common wreck both in this area and nationwide. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 07:44:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03368 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A8B21790214; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:44:34 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990331073645.0274a350@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:37:52 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: state lines In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 3/30/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >Lets say, hypothetically, that you happened upon the Memorial Bridge when >there wasn't any traffic on it, and you decided to open the throttle and >roar over the bridge between Virginia and the District at 80 mph. Since >this is almost no-mans-land, which law enforcement agency could pick you >off doing it? Either one if the "crime" is bad enough. Probably DC has jurisdiction because the land originally came from Maryland, and Maryland owns the Potomac River right up to the high-water line on the Virginia side. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 08:15:17 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03959 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:15:09 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:15:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > > do you sit at lights, staring in your mirrors, guaging the > approach speeds > of oncoming vehicles? sounds kind of difficult/impossible to me. > a'yup.. I do, untill there are a couple of cars as buffers behind me. I typically flash my brake light to boot, even if the car looks to be slowing normally. Though there's no excitment in the world like hearing the screaching of tires behind you.. I really don't desire to be hit from behind (again)... Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 08:25:24 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04093 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id IAA23097; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:25:20 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id IAA07448; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:25:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:25:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 98VFR800 for sale (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sounds like a good deal. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:06:16 -0500 From: drewele@XXXXXX Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX To: vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: 98VFR800 for sale For sale: I am located in the Philadelphia area. 98VFR800, great condition, 2800 miles, $6900.00 FIRM! (thats what I owe on the loan) I'm not looking for any extra, just out of the loan. It includes the following: -xl shoei helmet -xl vtec samoa -metric sockets -torque wrench (used it for the chain) -air pump -98 Service manual -Large leather gloves with gel -Large winter leather gloves with gel -Take bag -1/2 tank bra -All weather bike cover -other odds and ends It does not have the extended warranty but there is still about 2 months left to purchase it if anyone is interested. None of the above items will be sold seperately. I'm giving them away as an attempt to sell the bike that much faster. I love this bike but due to unforseen circumstances, I need to sell it as soon as possible. It will be going in the local paper this weekend. If you know of anyone who is looking, please pass this on. PLEASE APPLY OFF LINE AT drewele@XXXXXX as I do not read all of the mail coming through the list. It's a sad thing when a dream must end. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 08:50:42 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04526 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:50:41 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA24179; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:51:35 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023707; Wed, 31 Mar 99 08:50:24 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9G00ABUP5JG9@XXXXXX>; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256745.004BD98B ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:48:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:47:16 -0400 Subject: Re: 98VFR800 for sale (fwd) To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256745.004B773D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL All, FYI ... I am in Phily on business for the next few weeks, so if anyone buys it and needs me to ride it back down to DC for them ... just let me know. :-) You know, anything to help the group out. :-) --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" Date: 03/31/99 01:25:19 PM GMT Subject: 98VFR800 for sale (fwd) Sounds like a good deal. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:06:16 -0500 From: drewele@XXXXXX Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX To: vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: 98VFR800 for sale For sale: I am located in the Philadelphia area. 98VFR800, great condition, 2800 miles, $6900.00 FIRM! (thats what I owe on the loan) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 09:03:31 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.183]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04708 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:03:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990331140437.6284.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web301.yahoomail.com; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:04:37 PST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:04:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: feet down, feet up To: Erik Schelzig , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, some will argue that this puts undue wear on the clutch throw out bearing, but I've yet to hear of one actually wearing out from it. However, from first hand personal experience, it has saved my ass on several occasions. My first year out here, i used to ride my old GSXR home on 66, in the normal 55mph, sudden stop, 55mph, etc. that usually occurs on that road. Well, one afternoon, traffic came to a fairly sudden stop ahead of me, so I came to a stop, positioning myself near the striped line in the middle. Since there had been a considerable gap behind me, I immediately looked in the mirrors... sure enough, some dumba$$ cager was coming up fast.. really fast! I didn't waste any time.. I took off and went right up the center between the parked cars... The car that was coming up fast saw the stopped traffic so late that he barely had time to slam on the brakes ... Result: Completely crushed rear of one car and totally smashed front on the other... SOOOO glad I was no longer in between them at the time of impact... Had a couple of other near misses that may or may not have actually skidded up close enough to have hit me, but I was too chicken to stay in one place to find out! Collin --- Erik Schelzig wrote: > A friend of mine who took the safety course at Nova said that they > teach > you to leave the bike in first gear when at a stop with your hand on > the > clutch so you can take off if a car is going to hit you. > > Is this true? Is this realistic? Or is this just a good habit that I > probably won't pick up any time soon. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 09:07:50 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.183]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04795 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:07:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990331140857.6768.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web301.yahoomail.com; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:08:57 PST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:08:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: state lines To: Erik Schelzig , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think either agency would have the authority to nab you...I believe as you come across that area you are on federal park land (kinda like GW parkway) and either dc cops or va cops could nab you....not sure... I got nabbed on GW parkway just north of memorial bridge back in November by DC cops.... big ole ticket too! (79 in a 40) jsut speeding though..no reckless charge. As for zipping over memorial bridge...gawd..why would you want to do that.. that cobblestone type pavement is about the most unstable thing I've ever ridden over! CT --- Erik Schelzig wrote: > > Lets say, hypothetically, that you happened upon the Memorial Bridge > when > there wasn't any traffic on it, and you decided to open the throttle > and > roar over the bridge between Virginia and the District at 80 mph. > Since > this is almost no-mans-land, which law enforcement agency could pick > you > off doing it? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 09:23:09 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05056 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:22:55 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:22:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) LOL.. just remembered one incident on 295 last summer. I was on my XT250, traffic stopped.. and I had a fairly big gap behind me so I was watching.. car was closing on me fast, I moved up (had lots of time) on the left of the outside lane.. the driver of the car actually looked out the windew and said 'you didn't get fa...' at which point he got nailed from behind.... I remember looking at him after that and just shook my head. I rode on when the traffic infront cleared. Moron.. :P Brian > --- Erik Schelzig wrote: > > A friend of mine who took the safety course at Nova said that they > > teach > > you to leave the bike in first gear when at a stop with your hand on > > the > > clutch so you can take off if a car is going to hit you. > > > > Is this true? Is this realistic? Or is this just a good habit that > I > > probably won't pick up any time soon. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 09:56:54 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05638 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup64.idsonline.com [209.136.96.64]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA29420; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "GTS" , "COG" Subject: Great Beginner Ride For Sale Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:58:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be7b86$ed9128a0$406088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: LgOvrLethr@XXXXXX [mailto:LgOvrLethr@XXXXXX] 1986 Honda Shadow VT500. Burgundy, Garage Kept, New Front Tire (less than 300 miles on it), Removable Driver Backrest, Removable Locking Tail Trunk, Luggage Rack, All The Tools, Owner's Manual, Windshield, 16,000 Wonderful Miles. I will give a set on Honda Line Soft Bags with it as soon as I get my new ones. Inspected. Asking $2300. Located in the Columbia, MD area (1/2 way between DC & Baltimore) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 10:01:51 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05785 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:56:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: got a screw loose Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:56:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain While being my typically clumsy self, I managed to pop the head off of one of the screws that holds the faceplate assembly on to my Shoei R700 helmet. I seem to remember that when I bought the helmet, it came with a couple of extra screws, but now I can't find them. So, my question to the list, does anybody have an extra screw I can have? Thanks... -Mark (cue Violent Femmes: "Why can't I get ... just one screw ... why can't I get ... just one screw ...") From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 10:18:30 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06034 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA05820 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:18:19 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:18:19 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'cycles'" Subject: RE: got a screw loose Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:18:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >So, my question to the list, does anybody have an extra screw I can >have? Thanks... It gets worse - Shoei doesn't sell the screws separately - one has to purchase the whole assembly (right and left) at $16. On the bright side, you'll have lotsa spare parts that you'll never need :-P Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 10:21:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06125 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AD62B021A; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:21:06 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990331094311.027861e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:45:19 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: feet down, feet up In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:22 AM 3/31/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >LOL.. just remembered one incident on 295 last summer. I was on my XT250, >traffic stopped.. and I had a fairly big gap behind me so I was watching.. >car was closing on me fast, I moved up (had lots of time) on the left of the >outside lane.. the driver of the car actually looked out the windew and said >'you didn't get fa...' at which point he got nailed from behind.... I >remember looking at him after that and just shook my head. I rode on when >the traffic infront cleared. Moron.. :P >Brian HA HA HA! That's a great story. You oughta send that into Winding Road's "Close Encounters of the Worst Kind". I love it ... "You didn't get fa- WHAM!" ha ha ha. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 10:33:52 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06354 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 485 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:33:42 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990331103142.01cc1f10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:33:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: feet down, feet up In-Reply-To: <19990331140437.6284.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:04 AM 3/31/99 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >However, from first hand personal experience, it has saved my ass on >several occasions. My first year out here, i used to ride my old GSXR >home on 66, in the normal 55mph, sudden stop, 55mph, etc. that usually >occurs on that road. Well, one afternoon, traffic came to a fairly >sudden stop ahead of me, so I came to a stop, positioning myself near >the striped line in the middle. Since there had been a considerable gap >behind me, I immediately looked in the mirrors... sure enough, some >dumba$$ cager was coming up fast.. really fast! I didn't waste any >time.. I took off and went right up the center between the parked >cars... The car that was coming up fast saw the stopped traffic so late >that he barely had time to slam on the brakes ... Result: Completely >crushed rear of one car and totally smashed front on the other... SOOOO >glad I was no longer in between them at the time of impact... Similar situation for me yesterday, with no impact. Right where 66 exits to 495N coming East bound. Just slipped into the shoulder and speeding cager suddenly noticed traffic in front of him/her. By the time he/she started to brake, I was merging 100 yards up ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 10:58:21 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06852 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:57:30 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:57:22 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:01:20 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: ghowell@XXXXXX, schelzig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: feet down, feet up -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline do you sit at lights, staring in your mirrors, guaging the approach speeds of oncoming vehicles? sounds kind of difficult/impossible to me. No, but the occasional check doesn't hurt. Especially if you're last in line. Saved my butt once, big time. Granny crushed the car that WAS ahead of me. Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 11:02:14 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06945 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:56:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: New Tires Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:56:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain So I finally budgeted enough money to get the Cheng Shins off of my bike, and started surfing the web for prices. Dunlop D205s (radials) come highly recommended for the Magna. Found the lowest prices at MAW ($216 + $20 s/h), and then called Manassas Honda to see what they were selling them for ($300). I politely said no thanks, so he asked if I was getting them somewhere else, and for how much. I told him, and he offered to match price, and then gave a short speech on the dangers of mail order. Okay, so this comes out about $12 more expensive, 'cause of taxes, but what the hell. Price shop global, buy local, I guess. So, how much of a difference in handling should I expect? Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 11:05:41 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07025 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:05:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10765 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:05:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:05:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'cycles'" Subject: RE: got a screw loose In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > >So, my question to the list, does anybody have an extra screw I can > >have? Thanks... > > It gets worse - Shoei doesn't sell the screws separately - one has to > purchase the whole assembly (right and left) at $16. I didn't have problems getting them from my dealer (CAD, in Gaithersburg). They just gave them to me (the screws just kept falling out of my RF700). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 11:06:11 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07044 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup37.idsonline.com [209.136.96.37]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05459 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:05:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:07:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be7b90$9b7389a0$406088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A friend of mine who took the safety course at Nova said that they teach > you to leave the bike in first gear when at a stop with your hand on the > clutch so you can take off if a car is going to hit you. > > Is this true? Is this realistic? Or is this just a good habit that I > probably won't pick up any time soon. Yes. Wouldn't you want to be able to pull out if the guy approaching you isn't stopping? > On another (similar) note, is it a good idea to take the course even if > you have ridded for a couple years without it. Three night/days seems > like an awful long time to get the basic safety info if you already know > how to ride. On the flip side, is the experienced course also good for > insurance discounts if you haven't taken the beginner course? It depends on who taught you to ride. If you learned from a "friend", then those 3 days nights could save your life. If you learned from a certified instructor then perhaps not, but your initial question pretty well says that you could use the instruction. As an instructor myself, I've rarely run into anyone who's had prior riding experience and taken the BRC (Beginning Rider Course) and not benefited in some way. However, if you think you are beyond the BRC, then take the ERC (experienced rider course). It only lasts a day, and you can use your own bike. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 11:16:42 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07275 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:16:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990331161911.23486.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web310.yahoomail.com; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:19:11 PST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:19:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: got a screw loose To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep that's Kirk all right... always a screw loose!! he he he Collin (notice the convinient snipping of original text :)) --- Kirk Roy wrote: (the screws just kept falling out of > Kirk > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 11:18:08 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07285 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2AYLAM51>; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:18:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: msf training.. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:18:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) so.. if I take the BRC.. and I'm doing stoppies and burnouts while performing the specified riding exercises, will I get tossed out? *grin* I've always though about taking the course (never have), but having a little fun along the way. ok.. I'll shut up now.. man, work.. what work? From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 12:02:18 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08189 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12010 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:02:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:02:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: got a screw loose In-Reply-To: <19990331161911.23486.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Yep that's Kirk all right... always a screw loose!! he he he > Collin > (notice the convinient snipping of original text :)) I think it's my two powerful thumping cylinders which keep causing these loose screws! :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 12:08:09 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web311.yahoomail.com (web311.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.107]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08279 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:08:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990331170859.16268.rocketmail@web311.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web311.yahoomail.com; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:08:59 PST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:08:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Tightening an RF-800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a Shoei RF-800. The face shield seems a tad loose, meaning it moves up and down easily. I'd like it to be tighter, since I frequently have it up when I ride, and don't want it to slam shut. The manual for the helmet is locked somewhere in my storage space, and I won't be able to get there for a few days. Can anyone tell me how I can tighten it up? Thanks, and to all the Jewish folks out there, Happy Passover! Louis _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 12:32:50 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08788 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A626500AA; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:50:14 EST Message-ID: <37023833.A1FA9CB0@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:58:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: feet down, feet up References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > a'yup.. I do, untill there are a couple of cars as buffers behind me. I > typically flash my brake light to boot, even if the car looks to be slowing > normally. Ditto that for me. One nice thing about the Concours is that it's got GREAT BIG rear view mirrors, practically car-like mirrors, and they don't vibrate at idle, so I've got a clear picture of the idiots who might be trying to kill me from behind. A little manual flashing of the the rear brake sometimes helps, too. I also try to come to a stop angled in the lane, so that the bike is pointed between two cars ahead of me (i.e the one in front of me, and the one beside it). That way, all I gotta do is dump the clutch and go. After one or two cars stack up behind me, THEN and ONLY THEN do I put the bike in neutral and wait out the light. I got rear-ended in my car a couple of years ago. I saw it coming in the rear view mirror, and I coulnd't get outta the way. I most likely could have avoided it on the bike. Not that I ever want to find out... Ride safe, Everyone! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Her's. Mine. Ours. :) 1987 Suzuki Savage - Unretired. 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - RIP From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 12:47:21 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09055 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA26775 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA26744 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id MAA00750; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id MAA00744; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:51:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990331124404.01260800@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:44:04 -0500 To: Mark Petty , "'cycles'" From: Brad Subject: Re: New Tires In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I told him, and he offered to match price, and then gave a short speech >on the dangers of mail order. Okay, so this comes out about $12 more >expensive, 'cause of taxes, but what the hell. Price shop global, buy >local, I guess. >So, how much of a difference in handling should I expect? Don't forget that when you mail order, you'll have to have the tire mounted by some shop, (unless you bought into the Dc-Cycles tire mounter, or have your own), and that usually runs about $30-$40, I think. Sombody correct me if I'm wrong; I ordered my tires from the same place I had them mounted, so the mounting was done for free. As for handling, I know I my EX500 got 10 times as fun to ride when I put Dunlop K591's on it. Gave a much more positive feel through the corners. I'm still on the original set of tires on my F4, Dunlop 207s and I love 'em. --Brad From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 13:35:29 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09971 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14721 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:34:53 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B107E8DB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: '89 EX500 stuff for sale Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:34:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey all.. this guy has some miscellaneous CBR600 and EX500 parts for sale...email HIM if interested... CT > -----Original Message----- > From: Brandon Monnig [SMTP:bmonnig@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 1:30 PM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: '89 EX500 stuff for sale > > Hey everyone, > I have a list of my EX parts for sale on my web page below, under > the > motorcycle parts for sale link. I have prices listed (just to keep from > getting the "what are you asking for xxxx part") but I will be moving at > the end of this month, and I would prefer not to have to move all this > stuff again. If you see something you are interested in, shoot me your > offer. Thanks. > > -- > Brandon Monnig > bmonnig@XXXXXX > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/5992/Pages/index.html > ICQ #14128455 > > To unsubscribe: EX500-request@XXXXXX > with: unsubscribe - in message body From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 13:39:27 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09993 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id ABC6A0308; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:39:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990331124351.0277a1e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:51:24 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: msf training.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:18 AM 3/31/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >so.. if I take the BRC.. and I'm doing stoppies and burnouts while >performing the specified riding exercises, will I get tossed out? *grin* >I've always though about taking the course (never have), but having a little >fun along the way. When I first started teaching, we used a course at the Charles County Community College (MD) -- it was horrible. The worst part was that the local school police wouldn't enforce the "no parking on weekends" rule. The school wouldn't let us put up signs, and as a result, we often had to modify the course to go around parked cars. This changed when we moved to the Waldorf MVA -- this is on private land leased by the State. We can tell people to leave and enforce it. The best time was when a car was illegally parked on our range (despite signs, etc). I notified the police, who called the owner, who came running up waving his keys just 10 minutes later. So if a student did a deliberate stoppie or wheelie I'd ask him to leave, or I might give him a second chance. Any further problems, I'd call the police. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 14:57:16 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11558 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc3-s29.wizard.net [206.161.15.151]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA27594 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:57:24 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: Group Ride, Saturday 4/3 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:00:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be7bb1$1a371d40$970fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Well, the weather is looking *great* so far, so let's all keep our fingers crossed! This ride is going to be a little different in that there will be one group starting from Cycle Sport in Springfield, VA, and that group will meet up with a second group at the Exxon in Middleburg, VA. Todd Peer will be leading the group starting from Cycle Sport. Departure time will be 8:00 am. He has mapped out about a 60 mile ride from Springfield to Middleburg. The route from Middleburg to Purcellville will be about 150 miles. If you chose to start from Cycle Sport, please arrive with enough fuel to go 60+ miles. After that rest stops (with fuel available) will be about ever 40-45 miles). Departure time from the Middleburg will be 10:00 am. We will be using route sheets from a PARR Poker Run to continue on to Strasburg, Winchester, and ending in Purcellville. This will not actually *be* a poker run, we're just using the route sheets from one. Basically, the directions are mapped out with odometer readings so (hopefully!) no one will get lost. We'll have lunch in Purcellville, with a choice of McD's, Subway and a few other places. From there people can head home however they choose. Middleburg is located right on Route 50, about seven miles west of Route 15. The Exxon is on the right as you come into town.. you can't miss it. Purcellville is on Route 7, about 10 miles ten of Leesburg. If the weather is nice we may have a huge turnout. As a result, PLEASE bring a tank bag or something to hold the route sheets with (duct tape?). I won't be able to keep track of everyone if we have a large group (and it wouldn't be much fun to try). I'll lead a moderate/sightseeing pace group, and I'm sure there will be a fast group as well. I don't know how much sand/gravel/whatever will be on the roads, so I encourage everyone to ride safely! Please feel free to email me if you have any questions! Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 15:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12439 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:38:22 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2QGHa00960; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:34:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9bb90517.370286c6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:34:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tire Choices Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Alright guys...I might be asking for trouble for broaching the subject of tire selection...(it being a highly subjective and often personal one.) On my old interceptor I used to run Metzlers, (and found not fault with them), and the CBR1000 came with Dunlop 204's. I've had no problems with these tires either. Now; I haven't ridden enough mileage and on enough of these different brands to be able to really have a favorite. What brands/models of tires would you all suggest? Why? I've heard plenty of good things about Avons, Metzlers and Dunlops. Anyone have any experience with any of the other brands? I usually enjoy a fairly spirited ride, but I haven't been dragging any hard bits. Any input/opinion/information would be greatly appreciated. You can respond either privately or publically. (It all depends on how far the list wants to take this one...) -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 16:01:41 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12867 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup44.idsonline.com [209.136.96.44]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA29078 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:00:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:03:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001801be7bb9$e2ee8040$406088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <00f901be7b37$c620ab00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > do you sit at lights, staring in your mirrors, gauging the > approach speeds > > of oncoming vehicles? sounds kind of difficult/impossible to me. > > I do, and it's not hard at all. Bike mirrors aren't convex, > they're flat, so not all of them are. > speeds are pretty easy to judge. It only takes a glance every > second or two. > A little practice, and you won't notice. It's ok to shift to neutral after a line of cars has built up in back of you. Not such a great idea to sit there in neutral. Think about how much time it would take you to put your hand on the clutch, pull the lever in, get your foot of the ground, shift to first and be ready to move out. If you are ready to go at a moment's notice, then you have a much better chance of surviving what was trying to mess up your life. > > I'm not trying to belittle motorcycle safety - far from it! - and thus > > agree that it can't hurt. On the other hand, time is of the essence, so > > I'm trying to figure out my best line of attack/education. How much time to you have? I'd be real surprised if you don't have the time. It all depends on what your life as a rider is worth. Mine's priceless, so I take the time to educate myself and practice. > Either the RSS or the ERC is going to be the best return on time There is no RSS. It is called the BRC (Beginning Rider Course). The ERC is not recommended unless you've had your bike for at least a couple of months.. > if you are > trying to learn how to ride better. If you've only been riding > for a year or > two, you won't get anything from a race course except hurt maybe. I couldn't disagree more. I've never taken a 'race course' but the things one learns will be transferable to the street. All of the folks I've been in touch with who do this kind of thing always come away better riders, no matter what level they went in at. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 16:01:41 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12869 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup44.idsonline.com [209.136.96.44]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA29081 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:00:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: state lines Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:03:13 -0500 Message-ID: <001901be7bb9$e4137840$406088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <19990331140857.6768.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As for zipping over memorial bridge...gawd..why would you want to do > that.. that cobblestone type pavement is about the most unstable thing > I've ever ridden over! Memorial bridge is paved as is the traffic circle at the western end. There are cobble stones only leading in to Arlington Cemetery. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 16:01:38 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12864 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup44.idsonline.com [209.136.96.44]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA29075 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:00:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: state lines Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:03:10 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be7bb9$e1fbe2e0$406088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lets say, hypothetically, that you happened upon the Memorial Bridge when > there wasn't any traffic on it, and you decided to open the throttle and > roar over the bridge between Virginia and the District at 80 mph. Since > this is almost no-mans-land, which law enforcement agency could pick you Not really. > off doing it? If you check most state maps you'll see whose jurisdiction a particular section is in. I'm going to guess that DC actually has jurisdiction over all of the bridges that lead into it. The map I looked at clearly shows that DC ends on the VA shoreline, not on it's own shoreline. > Now I've seen DC motorcycle cops clearing the barricades at the Arlington > Cemetary circle at 9am, but are they just doing a favor or would they also > take you in for traffic violations? I'm also going to GUESS that anywhere there is a two way bridge the jurisdiction has control the span that leads out of it. That is to say that any bridge going between DC & VA, DC controls the outgoing span (incoming to VA) and VA controls the outgoing span (incoming to DC). It makes logical sense...but in order to know for sure you should contact DC or VA's constabulary. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 16:16:48 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13193 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17501 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:16:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:16:30 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire Choices In-Reply-To: <9bb90517.370286c6@aol.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > and the CBR1000 came with Dunlop 204's. I've had no problems with these > tires either. It sounds like you're looking for radials. I'll give some quick opinions based on using tires on a small twin (Hawk GT/60 hp-45ft/lbs). I've put race oriented Michelin (TX15/25s) and Dunlop (forget model, precursor to 207) and found that they had similar characteristics. A triangular profile for quick turn in, significant stick, and decent wear. I also put Metzeler MEZ1s (both race and street compounds) on that bike and liked them best. They've got a round profile for slower turn in (quick turning tires are overkill on a street Hawk), just as much stick as the Michelins/Dunlops, and similar wear. The only tires I tried that I didn't like were Bridgestone BT50s and the Avon Azaros. The BT50s wore out quicker than any of the other tires but stuck like sport touring tires (e.g., Dunlop 205s). The Azaro was a rear. It also wore faster and stuck less. I've heard rave reviews on the Azaro from riders of HP oriented inline fours though... I use my bikes for commuting/sport touring and have generally favored stick over long wearing (I expected 5-7k out of a rear and 10-12k out of a front on the sub 400lb Hawk). I expect a tire to forgive my hamfistedness even while at full lean. I'm probably somewhere in the middle speedwise, FWIW... These opinions are free - you get what you pay for... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 16:17:33 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13203 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup44.idsonline.com [209.136.96.44]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA00256 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:16:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: msf training.. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:19:03 -0500 Message-ID: <002001be7bbc$1a2edee0$406088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > so.. if I take the BRC.. and I'm doing stoppies and burnouts while > performing the specified riding exercises, will I get tossed out? *grin* > I've always though about taking the course (never have), but > having a little > fun along the way. If the instructor is going his/her job correctly, you'd get one warning, and out you'd go...and of course you'd loose your $$ as well. We don't cotton to that kind of behavior...sort of goes against what we are trying to teach. :-) Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 16:30:13 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13509 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:30:12 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA07692; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:30:45 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma028760; Wed, 31 Mar 99 16:15:45 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9H00K7H9RPJ4@XXXXXX>; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256745.0074A6D3 ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:14:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:12:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Tire Choices To: Eternity23@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256745.007461AE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL MEZ4s. Fantastic tire. Great grip and great mileage on my RF900. I believe Tom Gimer had a set on his ex-ZX-11, and John Carver is in the rocess of putting them on his VFR800. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: 03/31/99 08:34:14 PM GMT Subject: Tire Choices Alright guys...I might be asking for trouble for broaching the subject of tire selection...(it being a highly subjective and often personal one.) On my old interceptor I used to run Metzlers, (and found not fault with them), and the CBR1000 came with Dunlop 204's. I've had no problems with these tires either. Now; I haven't ridden enough mileage and on enough of these different brands to be able to really have a favorite. What brands/models of tires would you all suggest? Why? I've heard plenty of good things about Avons, Metzlers and Dunlops. Anyone have any experience with any of the other brands? I usually enjoy a fairly spirited ride, but I haven't been dragging any hard bits. Any input/opinion/information would be greatly appreciated. You can respond either privately or publically. (It all depends on how far the list wants to take this one...) -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 16:47:56 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13860 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup44.idsonline.com [209.136.96.44]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA03151 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:46:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: flashing brake lights Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:49:29 -0500 Message-ID: <002301be7bc0$5a6eca20$406088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <37023833.A1FA9CB0@tidalwave.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > typically flash my brake light to boot, even if the car looks there is a device called a Safety Braker which will do it for you. It is a black box that goes into the brake light circuit. It flashes the brake light 3 times quickly, then holds the light on for 6 seconds, then repeats. Only works when the brake light is on. Art Crow at Rider's Accessory Whse in Falls Church used to carry there. There is another device which I have installed on my GTS called Hyper Lites. It is a pair of LED modules hooked up to a solid state flasher connected to the brake light circuit. The LED modules have 8 red LEDs in them in a 2x4 pattern (2 rows of 4 each). From directly behind the bike they are VERY noticeable. You can mail order them from a company called M&G Accessories (http://www.mgaccess.com/index.html) If they can't see 'em, then they have their eyes closed...so what else is new?? Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 16:48:33 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13870 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:48:31 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA18892; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:49:32 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012272; Wed, 31 Mar 99 16:37:54 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9H00KXHASJJ4@XXXXXX>; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256745.0076AF3B ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:36:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:25:00 -0500 Subject: RE: feet down, feet up To: "Henry S. Winokur" Cc: Dc-Cycles Message-id: <85256745.00758A46.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Henry Winokur wrote: There is no RSS. It is called the BRC (Beginning Rider Course). The ERC is not recommended unless you've had your bike for at least a couple of months.. -- Is this correct? Just last year, the beginner course was called RSS. Did they change the course title this year? Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 16:59:19 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14059 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA09546 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:59:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199903312159.QAA09546@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:56:40 -0500 Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001801be7bb9$e2ee8040$406088d1@henrywin> References: <00f901be7b37$c620ab00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 31 Mar 99, at 16:03, Henry S. Winokur wrote: > There is no RSS. It is called the BRC (Beginning Rider Course). The ERC is > not recommended unless you've had your bike for at least a couple of > months.. Now I'm confused! I've never heard it called "BRC." In my instructor materials (and in the student workbook) the course is consistently referred to as "Motorcycle RiderCourse: Riding and Street Skills" or "MRC:RSS." Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 17:11:09 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14241 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup44.idsonline.com [209.136.96.44]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA06227 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:10:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:12:42 -0500 Message-ID: <002701be7bc3$98939300$406088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <85256745.00758A46.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Henry Winokur wrote: > There is no RSS. It is called the BRC (Beginning Rider Course). The ERC > is > not recommended unless you've had your bike for at least a couple of > months.. > -- > > Is this correct? Just last year, the beginner course was called RSS. Did > they change the course title this year? As I recall, Chris, it was called the MRC:RSS, since changed to the BRC. I forget what MRC stood for but RSS stood for Riding & Street Skills. BRC stands for Beginning RiderCourse. The advanced program is called the ERC (experienced RiderCourse). Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 17:19:26 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14415 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA11820; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:19:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199903312219.RAA11820@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Henry S. Winokur" Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:16:48 -0500 Subject: RE: feet down, feet up CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <002701be7bc3$98939300$406088d1@henrywin> References: <85256745.00758A46.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 31 Mar 99, at 17:12, Henry S. Winokur wrote: > As I recall, Chris, it was called the MRC:RSS, since changed to the BRC. I > forget what MRC stood for but RSS stood for Riding & Street Skills. BRC > stands for Beginning RiderCourse. The advanced program is called the ERC > (experienced RiderCourse). When is this change going to become effective? The instructor materials I received 3 weeks ago still refer to it as MRC:RSS! Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 17:31:18 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (root@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14663 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:31:12 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00998; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:20:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903312220.RAA00998@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Tire Choices To: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:20:57 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9bb90517.370286c6@aol.com> from "Eternity23@aol.com" at Mar 31, 99 03:34:14 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Alright guys...I might be asking for trouble for broaching the subject of tire > selection...(it being a highly subjective and often personal one.) On my old > interceptor I used to run Metzlers, (and found not fault with them), and the > CBR1000 came with Dunlop 204's. I've had no problems with these tires either. > Now; I haven't ridden enough mileage and on enough of these different brands > to be able to really have a favorite. What brands/models of tires would you On Fj1200 which is similar to CBR-1k, I used Metzlers; on XX I prefer Michelin Macadm. Had them on first one; very reliable, builiding confidence; rounded profile, predictable behaviour, good grip on wet. I was able to drag different bits and bytes on first XX. Second XX come with 204 ( mildly shot from highway rides..) and I hated them. Unpredictable, not enough grip for this beast. Replaced them with Macadams again, and I am back in my seat... > > -Sean Jordan > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 18:24:22 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15516 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-76.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.76]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA29833; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:24:18 -0500 Message-ID: <011c01be7bcd$892ea440$4ca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Henry S. Winokur" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: flashing brake lights Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:23:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Hyper Lites on mine also. Have had several comments about highly visible. They apparently have a 16 led version which must be an eyeblaster. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> If the HL's were white, I'd be a firefly Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Henry S. Winokur ...snip >There is another device which I have installed on my GTS called Hyper Lites. >It is a pair of LED modules hooked up to a solid state flasher connected to >the brake light circuit. The LED modules have 8 red LEDs in them in a 2x4 >pattern (2 rows of 4 each). From directly behind the bike they are VERY >noticeable. You can mail order them from a company called M&G Accessories > >(http://www.mgaccess.com/index.html) > >If they can't see 'em, then they have their eyes closed...so what else is >new?? > >Henry S. Winokur >'87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 >AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor >West Bethesda, MD > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 18:30:43 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA15663 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:29:50 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:29:48 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:33:50 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: henwin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: feet down, feet up -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline > if you are > trying to learn how to ride better. If you've only been riding > for a year or > two, you won't get anything from a race course except hurt maybe. I couldn't disagree more. I've never taken a 'race course' but the things one learns will be transferable to the street. All of the folks I've been in touch with who do this kind of thing always come away better riders, no matter what level they went in at. I can comment, just took the MARRC course last year. As long as you're not a wobbler, you're ok. You should be basically competent. They start you out really, amazingly, almost agonizingly slow on the skid pad. But even on the big track, you aren't encouraged to go bezerk, except maybe by the "peer pressure" going on around you. A guy in my class succumbed to it and totaled a new GSXR. Everybody else, fast or slow, learned the good stuff--smooth is more important than fast, corners are more important than straights, how to really use your brakes, beware of old farts on antique 2-strokes running up your ass in the Carousel, etc. I'd recommend it to any decent rider who's the least bit interested. It's just too much fun. Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 18:30:56 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15667 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-76.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.76]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA30065 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:30:53 -0500 Message-ID: <012301be7bce$7478b620$4ca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: got a screw loose Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:30:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Try dealers. Cycles USA helped me out with remnant S-800 pieces not too long ago. 301 460 1600. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> No helmet for me! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Petty To: 'cycles' Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 10:09 AM Subject: got a screw loose >While being my typically clumsy self, I managed to pop the head off of >one of the screws that holds the faceplate assembly on to my Shoei R700 >helmet. I seem to remember that when I bought the helmet, it came with a >couple of extra screws, but now I can't find them. > >So, my question to the list, does anybody have an extra screw I can >have? Thanks... > >-Mark > >(cue Violent Femmes: "Why can't I get ... just one screw ... why can't I >get ... just one screw ...") > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 18:54:10 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16072 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:54:07 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA01114; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:52:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903312352.SAA01114@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: msf training.. To: henwin@XXXXXX (Henry S. Winokur) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:52:46 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002001be7bbc$1a2edee0$406088d1@henrywin> from "Henry S. Winokur" at Mar 31, 99 04:19:03 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > so.. if I take the BRC.. and I'm doing stoppies and burnouts while > > performing the specified riding exercises, will I get tossed out? *grin* > > I've always though about taking the course (never have), but > > having a little > > fun along the way. > > If the instructor is going his/her job correctly, you'd get one warning, and > out you'd go...and of course you'd loose your $$ as well. > > We don't cotton to that kind of behavior...sort of goes against what we are > trying to teach. > > :-) > well, when I was taking second or third basic MSF class, I had real fun pushing bike to the limit. There are some exercies in counterbalancing an d leaning - you bet, I was sratcing pegs all over the range. During ERC class, there were 7 Winniebagos, 1 harley, one ZX-11 and my FJ. There is an exercise wehre you are expected to lock your rear wheel and slide to full stop. Winnies are excluded because of linked brakes; harley had a new tire, and was saving it; I had an old Metzler ( just ready for replacement ), so for 15 minutes ZX and me were smoking rears sliding straight and sideways. usually in basic class someone managed to dump bike quiet a few times. I have never seen situation where instructor was forced to give someone a warning, not to mention let someone go. Well, it was in Ohio, boring midwestern state. > Henry S. Winokur _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 18:56:02 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16085 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:56:00 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2THOa12314; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:30:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:30:12 EST To: schelzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: state lines Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/30/99 11:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, schelzig@XXXXXX writes: << Lets say, hypothetically, that you happened upon the Memorial Bridge when there wasn't any traffic on it, and you decided to open the throttle and roar over the bridge between Virginia and the District at 80 mph. Since this is almost no-mans-land, which law enforcement agency could pick you off doing it? >> Actually, the potomac river belongs to either Maryland or DC in this area, that is Maryland ends at the Va. shore of the Potomac. At one time National Airport was part of Maryland since it was built on landfill put on the river. Due to the problem of providing fire, police and rescue there by Maryland National Airport was ceded to Virginia. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 19:04:55 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16282 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-76.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.76]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA31090 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:04:48 -0500 Message-ID: <014401be7bd3$30f60ce0$4ca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Chassis tuning Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:04:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0141_01BE7BA9.47676340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0141_01BE7BA9.47676340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just happened on this and recalled a recent discussion here -- (tuner = phone number at end) http://www.activebike.com/index/features/gspot/gspot.html Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> A classy chassis Join the AMA. 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Just happened on this = and recalled a=20 recent discussion here -- (tuner phone number at end)
 
http:/= /www.activebike.com/index/features/gspot/gspot.html
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> A=20 classy chassis
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0141_01BE7BA9.47676340-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 19:32:45 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16771 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id TAA05582 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id TAA05578 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id TAA11789 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id TAA11785 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:36:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990331192935.0123ea30@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:29:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Saturday Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am sorta planning a ride for this Saturday, April 3. (Not trying to compete with you, Anita! :-) Hoping to keep it small, 4-8 riders. Looks like we've got three already. Unlike most Dc-Cycles rides, this one will start in MD. Plan to meet at Borders on Rt 301. in Bowie (by Rt 192, I believe) at about 9:00-9:30 for coffee, discussion of ride, etc. Hope to depart no later than 10:15. Route is not quite known yet, hence the desire for a small group. We can discuss routes at Borders. Ride speed will not be slow, rather it will probably be in the "well-paced" range. Basically, those who ride fast go out in front, and wait for others at stop signs... I'll be the short guy in a 'stich on an F4. See ya there. --Brad From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 19:49:34 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17020 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:49:33 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 8PVMa19720; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:45:17 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <8374aafc.3702c19d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:45:17 EST To: F4Rider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/31/99 7:43:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, F4Rider@XXXXXX writes: << Unlike most Dc-Cycles rides, this one will start in MD. Plan to meet at Borders on Rt 301. in Bowie (by Rt 192, I believe >> Actually it is just North of route 197 on 301, look for the Exxon on the left going north on 301, I will be there. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 21:27:57 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18623 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (207-172-44-10.s10.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.44.10]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23952 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:34:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001001be7be7$89f5c600$0a2caccf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Road Atlanta Update Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:29:57 -0500 Organization: Attorney at Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE7BBD.9FD7ADA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE7BBD.9FD7ADA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kerri and I will be flying to Atlanta for the June 5 and 6 SuperBike = races at Road Atlanta!! Two rounds are being held that weekend!! Our = flight on Saturday leaves at 8:05 a.m., and our return flight departs at = 8:00 p.m. on Sunday. Both flights are nonstop. Reservations were made = with MetroJet, Alamo Rental Car and Super 8. I will purchase track = passes and parking passes at the track. Cost details are as follows: RT airfare per person from Dulles $164 Rental car 2 days (unlimited mileage) 74 One night Super 8 41 Weekend track pass per person 50 Parking at Road Atlanta 2 days 10 I decided to go with MetroJet in the event the weather is bad. MetroJet = will let you cancel without penalty. You can apply the credit towards = new tickets anytime within two years. Both the hotel and rental car can = also be cancelled without penalty. Therefore, no out of pocket loss = will be suffered if we decide not to go because of bad weather, etc. If anyone else in interested in going we can consider sharing the rental = car costs. It could save you a few bucks. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE7BBD.9FD7ADA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kerri and I will be flying to Atlanta for the June 5 = and 6=20 SuperBike races at Road Atlanta!!  Two rounds are being held that=20 weekend!!   Our flight on Saturday leaves at 8:05 a.m., and = our return=20 flight departs at 8:00 p.m. on Sunday.  Both flights are nonstop.=20 Reservations were made with MetroJet, Alamo Rental Car and Super = 8.  I will=20 purchase track passes and parking passes at the track.
 
Cost details are as follows:
 
RT airfare per person from=20 Dulles           &= nbsp;  $164
Rental car 2 days (unlimited=20 mileage)          =20 74
One night Super=20 8            =             &= nbsp;       =20      41
Weekend track pass per=20 person           &= nbsp;      =20 50
Parking at Road Atlanta 2=20 days           &nb= sp;       =20 10
 
I decided to go with MetroJet in the event the = weather is=20 bad.  MetroJet will let you cancel without penalty.  You can = apply the=20 credit towards new tickets anytime within two years.  Both the = hotel and=20 rental car can also be cancelled without penalty.  Therefore, no = out of=20 pocket loss will be suffered if we decide not to go because of bad = weather,=20 etc.
 
If anyone else in interested in going we can = consider sharing=20 the rental car costs.  It could save you a few bucks.
 
Roy D. Turner, Esq.
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE7BBD.9FD7ADA0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 31 22:19:55 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19431 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust018.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.18]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA06314 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:20:57 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990331221833.006b309c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:18:33 -0500 To: "Dc-Cycles" From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: msf training.. In-Reply-To: <002001be7bbc$1a2edee0$406088d1@henrywin> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree with the one warning part, but as to reasons for tossing Brian out of the BRC. 1) The BRC (also known as MRC RSS) is for beginners, he'd intimidate the other students 2) The BRC is for beginners, most of it would be a waste of his time and money. 3) The BRC is for beginners, it's a waste of resources when there's a waiting list for the course. 4) Wheelies, stoppies and burnouts scare the instructor because if not done with control, students and instructor are endangered, and if they are done with control, someone might see it and have the instructor terminated for cause for allowing it to happen. 5) And like Henry mentioned, wheelies, stoppies and burnouts, aren't part of the curriculum. I do allow experienced students to scrape pegs during the course. Leon. At 04:19 PM 3/31/99 -0500, Henry S. Winokur wrote: >> so.. if I take the BRC.. and I'm doing stoppies and burnouts while >> performing the specified riding exercises, will I get tossed out? *grin* >> I've always though about taking the course (never have), but >> having a little >> fun along the way. > >If the instructor is going his/her job correctly, you'd get one warning, and >out you'd go...and of course you'd loose your $$ as well. > >We don't cotton to that kind of behavior...sort of goes against what we are >trying to teach. > >:-) > >Henry S. Winokur >'87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 >AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor >West Bethesda, MD > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 00:09:25 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21095 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:09:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990401051015.26202.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.39.153] by web302.yahoomail.com; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:10:15 PST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:10:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tire Choices To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll definitely endorse the Aon Azarro's (yeah, I'm the one Kirk was talking about ;-)) IMHO, they are THE best street tire made. They grip like a race comp, the handle wet weather better than any other tire I've tried, and they lasted longer than most any tire I put on the bike. The two twins riders that tried them (Craig and Kirk) both had longevity issues. Can't speak for Kirk, but Craig was running too low of air pressure in his. Low air pressure will cause a tire to shred in a hurry. Talking with the Avon rep, their tires require 2-4 psi more than dunlop/metzler, etc. due to the very soft carcass. I got 4.5k miles out of a rear which was leaps and bounds above the 2-2.5k I was getting out of Dunlop 204's. I hear the new 207 street comps are excellent, but I haven't ridden on them. However, all of them I've seen (especially on the higher hp bikes) have shown typical dunlop cupping. As for the Avon Supersport race comps, I'll give everyone an update on how they feel tomorrow night! Collin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 00:12:25 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21172 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:12:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990401051251.441.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.39.153] by web308.yahoomail.com; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:12:51 PST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:12:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Tune and test day at Summit Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, if anyone is fortunate enough to have tomorrow off, come on out to Summit point and watch motorcycles zipping around the track.... Several listers will be out shaking off the cobwebs and setting the bikes up for the upcoming races. Me, Brian, and Jay St. Peter will be pitting along cold pit across from the restrooms in our normal spot. Collin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com