From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 01:50:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27644 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03890 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18816 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA03306; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:51:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:50:58 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stator cover removal In-Reply-To: <3381965d.36d9d327@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (1) Be sure all the cover bolts are removed: sometimes they're hard to see when they're on the underside and covered with grunge. And with some bikes (don't remember about your model) one or two stator case bolts are under the sprocket cover case---totally out of sight. (2) Be careful prying: if you gouge or chip one of the mating surfaces you will create an oil leak that might be hard to plug. Might try using a rawhide or other soft-face hammer---but not too hard. You can still break a case with one. --garcia On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello all. Just wondering if I can get some advice. My stator is dead and I > have a new one to replace it with. The problem I'm having is removing ths > cover on the left side of the engine to get to the stator. There are two tiny > tabs, one of which is barely accessible due to the cooling pipes, and the > other I can get a screwdriver on from the other side and tap with a hammer. I > don't seem to be getting anywhere with it and am going thru serious bike > withdrawal. And I can't work on it during the week. Yuck. I want to avoid > taking it to the dealer because I have it all the way apart except for the > cover. Any ideas? Anything at all would be a help!! Thanks in advance!! > > Robert "cagin it again" VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 "Black (-out) Wolf" > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 08:24:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04886 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07519 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (known alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21679 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA26032 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE63BC.DA66E350@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Calling Art Crow Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:23:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Art, Would mind dropping me a line? I need to ask you a couple of quick questions. TIA. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 08:56:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05405 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ACA220C501C2; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:56:50 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990301085538.018b2010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:56:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: VTR Inspection In-Reply-To: <85256726.001FB9C6.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:47 AM 2/28/99 , Dsislen@XXXXXX wrote: > Took her out to Cycles USA last week for >the >safety inspection, and to my astonishment, the bike failed inspection! Why? >Because I had replaced the rear fender with a Taillocker (i.e. an aftermarket >fender eliminator). What was illegal about it? Not enough fender coverage? Turn signals not separated far enough? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 09:44:49 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06175 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:43:41 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:43:33 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:46:20 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: Turnip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kawasaki Drifter -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline 'Course, this is all just my opinion . . . The Zephyr I was talking about was the ZR 1100. Next to the tough, brutal-looking CB 1000, the big ZR looked kinda like Plain Jane. Especially in Burgundy. Burgundy is for Buicks. Or Pizza. Joe >>> "Hugh A. Caldwell" - 2/26/99 5:37 PM >>> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, JOE NAGY wrote: > A few years ago, the Kawi Zephyr and the Honda CB-1 were big standards > that failed miserably in the market. THE KAWI LOOKED BORING, and the Hrrrrm, It seems you must of confused the Zephyr with the Nighthawk as all I right think people realize that the ZR750 is drop dead gorgeous ! Thank you for your time, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 09:52:23 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06363 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:51:30 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:51:26 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:54:09 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bike.dealer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki Drifter -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Thanks, I'll wait for the US tests. And I really hope that Kawi didn't screw up that motor too much. Why the Japanese feel they have to de-nut their engines to put them in standard bikes is beyond me. This was a prob with the CB 1000 too. What, are we gonna get blown off the back? Joe >>> - 2/26/99 4:00 PM >>> One of the British bike magazines had a head-to-head shootout between the two a couple of months ago. The conclusion seemed to be that the Bandit was more fun - i.e. more wheeliable, etc. The ZRX had some good points that they mentioned too, but my memory's vague. Sorry I don't remember too many of the specifics, but I can try to find the article for you if you're really interested. Chris weaver Well, this late-thirties white guy thinks its "da Shit" too. I was tempted by the Bandit, but the ZRX's stying is all over the Suzook. Any idea of how they match up performance-wise? Joe >>> Bikes R Us - 2/26/99 10:14 AM >>> Judging from the types of people who've shown interest in the ZRX, I'd say your thinking was right on target. The brochure shows a guy in his late thirties or so sitting astride the ZRX. He fits the profile of almost every guy who's considered the ZRX. The exception would be the black guys. Lots of black guys think the ZRX is the "shit." JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:58:38 -0500 JOE NAGY writes: >I think ZRX lust is directly related to one's memories of the early >days >of AMA Superbike racing, when men were men and Superbikes were 1000cc >of >ill-handling terror. > >Joe > >>>> "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> - 2/25/99 3:36 PM >>> >They had a ZRX a month or two ago... think it was before the NYC moto >show >even. Don't know if it's still there. Doesn't do a thing for me, >though... >I'll be keeping the GPZ! :-) > >Anita > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JOE NAGY [mailto:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 2:48 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; bike.dealer@XXXXXX >> Subject: Kawasaki Drifter -Reply >> >> >> Ahhhhh . . . no thanks. Lemme know when the ZRX shows up. >> >> Joe >> '85 Ninja 900 >> >> >>> Bikes R Us - 2/25/99 2:18 PM >>> >> So the Drifter just blew into town (woo-ee-oo-ee-oo, waa-WAA-waa...) >if >> anyone would like to come out and see one. >> >> JohnDavid@Bikes R Us >> ps. Where is everyone anyway? >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >> or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:13:05 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10089 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:12:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'Dsislen@XXXXXX'" Subject: MD motorcycle inspections Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:12:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Dave Dsislen@XXXXXX I've been advised to find a gas station which might be a bit more lenient in their inspection. Anyone know any gas stations that handle MD motorcycle inspections in the area? The Exxon at Old Georgetown and Democracy does (Did?) MC inspections Check with local shops (not dealers) for recommendations IIRC, in the past few months someone posted a review of local shops (or was that on a web page?) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:18:33 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10187 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Flame Fest Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:17:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Better than flaming; I sent the "make your wish come true" back to many on the cc list and received this response: "It's one thing to send it to me, but quite another to send to people who are in the original message in the first place! You should never use the CC addresses in the original message, because they already received a copy of it. Now you put them in the position that I have now put you in... you'll have to resend to 10 other people now to make it come true, or else it will do the opposite. I think that's only fair, since you've now done it to me." To which I replied "Oh No 10 more" Bwahahaha, H.L Mencken must be chuckling. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:40:16 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10603 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10HXat-0000ia-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:39:07 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22495 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NHY6Z>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:44:59 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7DA@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Honda Hoot Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:44:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone ever been to a Honda Hoot? What was the experience like? Was it worth going? Was it well run? What about lodging or camping? Anything else? I am kicking around the idea of going to this years in June but have never been to one or talked with anyone who has attended one in the past. TIA, Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:40:14 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10600 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:39:58 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: weather.. Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:37:08 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) yuck.. http://www.weather.com is calling for snow in the AM on Thursday morning... sheesh, I thought it was spring already... Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:40:44 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10619 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'jckozyn@XXXXXX'" Subject: Machine shop? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain John C. Kozyn, asked, "Does anyone know of a competent local machine shop that could manufacture two small aluminum brackets? (I want to mount a set of Tenzo halogen driving lights to the front brake caliper mounting bolts of a 95 VFR.)" Unless you have something complicated in mind, you can quickly craft simple brackets from aluminum alloy bar stock such as that sold at Home Depot or Lowes. I made brackets for my Pilot driving lights from 1" x 1/8 in stock as follows: Figger out length of bar(s) needed, mark Cut it with a hack saw Mark & drill mounting holes Mark where bend desired Set a piece in a vice (insulated with wood scrap-have bucket or hose ready to put out fire). Use a propane torch, heat at mark while keeping pressure on the piece until it bends. Put out fire -DON'T touch the bent piece until it cools a bit. Repeat for next bracket File - sand rough edges, promise self to polish and spray with clear coat one day. Carl in Bethesda 85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; FOM #3, AMA 676120 "Loud shirts save lives." Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:41:33 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10629 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF3B312B0134; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:40:59 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990301134438.0190b110@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:45:36 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Flame Fest In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:17 PM 3/1/99 , Custer, Carl wrote: >"It's one thing to send it to me, but quite another to send to people who >are in the original message in the first place! You should never use >the CC addresses in the original message, because they already received >a copy of it That wasn't explicitly stated in the original message, was it? Oh no! >To which I replied "Oh No 10 more" >Bwahahaha, H.L Mencken must be chuckling. And P.T. Barnum. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:53:23 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10907 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA16224; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:51:45 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990301185134.TNX20734@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:51:34 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: Flame Fest Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:49:47 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01be6414$4761d530$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Heh, heh, heh? You should have just resent it again to her. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 1:18 PM > To: 'DCCy' > Subject: Flame Fest > > > Better than flaming; I sent the "make your wish come true" back to many on > the cc list and received this response: > "It's one thing to send it to me, but quite another to send to people who > are in the original message in the first place! You should never use > the CC addresses in the original message, because they already received > a copy of it. Now you put them in the position that I have now put you > in... you'll have to resend to 10 other people now to make it come true, > or else it will do the opposite. I think that's only fair, since you've > now done it to me." > > To which I replied "Oh No 10 more" > Bwahahaha, H.L Mencken must be chuckling. > > Carl in Bethesda > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 13:59:44 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (www0d.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11072 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5532 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 1999 18:32:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990301183231.5531.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.33 by www0d via web-mailer(R2.6) on Mon Mar 1 18:32:31 GMT 1999 Date: 1 Mar 99 10:32:31 PST From: Linda Tanner To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Honda Hoot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I went to the Hoot in 97 and was mostly disappointed. Evening events all= ended by 9pm (sometimes 8) I guess to cater to the Goldwing crowd ;-). T= he daytime stuff was ok although I went on a mystery sport ride with 400 of = my closest friends. It was a little tough to ride a great road in a group t= hat big. The manufacturers show was closed to the public, so the crowds were= small and easy to deal with, but the show was small as well. I might go again sometime except that the national HSTA event is at the s= ame time (nearly) and will be much better and it's in Ohio this year. Linda T. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) Dave Cross asked: Anyone ever been to a Honda Hoot? What was the experience like? Was it worth going? Was it well run? What about lodging or camping? Anything else? I am kicking around the idea of going to this years in June but have never been to one or talked with anyone who has attended one in the past. ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 14:02:59 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11193 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 231; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:02:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990301140048.02bdb970@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 14:02:07 -0500 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: weather.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:37 PM 3/1/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >yuck.. http://www.weather.com is calling for snow in the AM on Thursday >morning... sheesh, I thought it was spring already... It figures. I decided to reform and become a cold weather rider...nows my chance ;-) Only major cold factor this morning were my upper thighs. The tops (and my fingers) were very cold after about 20 minutes. Fortunately, I only have a 25 minutes ride! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 14:11:25 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11319 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:10:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: Flame Fest Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:10:46 -0500 Sensitivity: Personal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain > Heh, heh, heh? You should have just resent it again to her. > Todd [Carl sez] What I posted to the list was not the entire reply > > To which I replied "Oh No 10 more" > > Bwahahaha, H.L Mencken must be chuckling. Carl in Bethesda: I'm from the gummimint and here to hep ya. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 14:58:52 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12270 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:58:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990301195741.21187.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send1e; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:57:41 PST Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Go figure...Cannondale makes a dirtbike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.cannondale.com/html/motorcycle/intro_mx400.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 15:42:43 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13070 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:42:41 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BXXGa07798; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:40:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:40:15 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Flame Fest Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 LOL and to all the cc's again too ;D marcy In a message dated 3/1/99 1:59:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > Heh, heh, heh? You should have just resent it again to her. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 16:32:44 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14042 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:32:38 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA17704; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:32:16 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002590; Mon, 1 Mar 99 16:00:52 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7X00AMJP1VMX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256727.00731B59 ; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:57:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:57:07 -0500 Subject: Traffic Management To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256727.0072D6A9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Anyone see this little gem in Dr. Gridlock's column? Interesting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kudos to Police In Rush Hour By Ron Shaffer Thursday, February 25, 1999; Page J01 Three cheers for the Maryland State Police! Faced with an obstreperous volunteer firefighter who had closed all lanes of southbound Interstate 95 for a minor traffic accident during Thursday's evening rush hour, the state police ordered two lanes opened immediately. When the fire official objected, he was led away in handcuffs and charged with "obstructing and hindering, disturbing the peace, hindering free passage, and failure to obey a lawful order," and the lanes were opened. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can go here for the full article --> http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/25/079l-022599-idx.h tml --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 18:59:35 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web505.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16810 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:59:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990302000032.20359.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.97.127.172] by web505.yahoomail.com; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:00:32 PST Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Where to Dirt Ride To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For the ultimate LEGAL dirt experience, go on out to the George Washington National Forest and hit the trails that the Northern Virginia Trail Riders help upkeep. When I head out there, I enter the trails in either New Market or a little southwest of Front Royal. Contacting NVTR would probably be the best and first thing to do. Good luck. There are miles of trails to enjoy....also plenty of camping. ---"Custer, Carl" wrote: > > I fixed up a '78 Suzuki DS100 for my grandson. But except for the back yard > and far away places, > (Solomon's Island, Garrett Country, & Pocomoke) I haven't located a legal > place to dirt/trail ride. Any body have suggestions for where to dirt or > trail ride within 50 miles, 100 miles? > Also, the back yard escapades have: > 1) gotten my son-in-law yearning for a dirt bike again, and > 2) me thinking about a dual sport (ahem, just for snow commuting ;^) > Anyone have something collecting dust & rust they'd want to tempt me with? > > Carl Custer in Bethesda > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 19:36:04 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17563 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA19497 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:35:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:35:53 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Junkyards Message-ID: <19990301193552.A19467@cosanostra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR Kind of a dumb question, but does anybody know of any bike junkyards in the area? Preferably pull-it-yourself, but I'll take what I can get...I found baltimore cycle salvage, but I'm hoping there are some others around. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 21:18:49 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19373 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:18:47 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HHQFa07005; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:09:18 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <32b94702.36db484e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:09:18 EST To: ljtanner@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re:Honda Hoot Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I had pretty much decided to go to the Hoot, but after reading your post you have got me thinking. Anybody else got any input? Because of the goofy scheduling I can only go to one of the events. If they had been spaced out a bit I would have gone to both. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 22:08:37 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20210 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust046.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.46]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00976; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:08:17 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990301203129.0069e1cc@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:31:29 -0500 To: "Mike Troutman" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: weather.. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990301140048.02bdb970@mail.wheatintl.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:02 PM 3/1/99 -0500, Mike Troutman wrote: >It figures. I decided to reform and become a cold weather rider...nows my >chance ;-) > I did the semi-annual washing of my winter Aerostich yesterday. I discovered that Goretex keeps the insides of the arms from drying in the dryer. Since the weather was so nice, I wore the summer 'stich today. Spring is here, all the Harley's were headed south on trailers this past weekend. Leon From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 1 22:59:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21111 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19637 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15712 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3DXGa21771 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:54:18 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:54:18 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Stator cover removed!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Well, it took some work and a combination of alot of tips, but I got it off today!! I had to pry gently on one side and tap with a rubber mallet (borrowed from work) on the other. It's shimmied right off in about 20 minutes using that technique. Now to get the new stator in and on the bike. Ugh.... Robert "airplanes are easier than bikes" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 06:28:56 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc011.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00136 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc011.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:27:00 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263D6B@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Go figure...Cannondale makes a dirtbike Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:25:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) I'm a bit surprised it a four stroke and not a two smoke. Glenn http://www.cannondale.com/html/motorcycle/intro_mx400.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 07:25:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01057 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26065 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19712 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:25:29 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256728.00435224 ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:15:19 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, Askstephen@XXXXXX, names@XXXXXX, bob@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256728.0042EEA7.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:15:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I ran across this on another list. Gary is one wild dude. >>Oh Mama, Rothwell is Nuts Liverpool England, February 24, 1999: Internationally renowned motorcycle stunt rider Gary Rothwell has done it again. Rothwell set five new blistering, and quite insane, world records bringing his total of stunt records to seven. The five new records were set on Monday in England, and consist of the following stunts. 1) World's fastest wheelie: 178.20 mph. 2) World's fastest lying on the bike and steering with feet: 150.29 mph. 3) World's fastest skiing off the side of a motorcycle: 150.26 mph. 4) World's fastest riding backwards: 132.39 mph. (Give me a stinking break!) 5) World's fastest stoppie: 118.12 mph In addition to these World Record stunts, Gary also holds two other records; world's fastest skiing behind a motorcycle: at 150.3 mph, and the world record for the multi-person wheelie set with12 people on board. The guys at Performance Bike photographed these stunts for an upcoming feature in their magazine. Rothwell also videotaped his antics and they will be available this spring for viewing in the privacy of your home. You can see the man, and his lovely wife Joan, perform next week at the MBNA Daytona 200 on Saturday March 6th and Sunday March 7th.<< From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 08:37:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02198 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9A11B6016C; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:37:37 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302081343.017c3780@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:15:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Junkyards In-Reply-To: <19990301193552.A19467@cosanostra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:35 PM 3/1/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: >Kind of a dumb question, but does anybody know of any bike junkyards >in the area? Preferably pull-it-yourself, but I'll take what I can >get...I found baltimore cycle salvage, but I'm hoping there are some >others around. Winding Road Motorcycle Times has ads for them. There's one in Baltimore, Cumberland (MD), Dover (DE), and Norfolk. They pull the parts off themselves, but the advantage is they know what they have. P&F in Dover is wonderful, worth a trip just to see the place, and a great source. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 08:37:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02199 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9981B6016C; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:37:37 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302081630.017cb0d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:17:23 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: weather.. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990301203129.0069e1cc@illuminet.net> References: <4.1.19990301140048.02bdb970@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:31 PM 3/1/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >Spring is here, all the Harley's were headed south on trailers this past >weekend. Bummer. All those broken Harleys. Good thing there's that mechanics' convention in Daytona so they can go there and get their bikes fixed. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 08:37:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02197 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9A01B6016C; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:37:36 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302080750.017c3200@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:09:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Traffic Management In-Reply-To: <85256727.0072D6A9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:57 PM 3/1/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >When the fire official objected, he was led away in >handcuffs >and charged with "obstructing and hindering, disturbing the peace, >hindering free >passage, and failure to obey a lawful order," and the lanes were opened. I read the article in the paper. Wonderful! Apparently this fire official has pulled this sort of stunt before, too. Glad to see there's emphasis on treating the wounded AND letting the thousands of cars in traffic get through. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 08:47:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02416 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26744 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (known smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20810 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10HpV4-0002p4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:46:18 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16757 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NHZAW>; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:52:12 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7DD@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:52:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > 5) World's fastest stoppie: 118.12 mph Usually a stoppie is coming to a complete stop and raising the rear wheel off the ground using the braking power of the front brake. Judging buy the record above this must mean he had the rear wheel off the ground while traveling at 118mph, but how does he get the rear of the ground to do this while moving? I've seen most of his stunts but not this one to me recollection. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 09:19:52 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02981 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:19:50 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA04014; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:20:22 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003772; Tue, 2 Mar 99 09:20:05 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7Z00DMF15WKK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256728.004E7289 ; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:16:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:12:45 -0500 Subject: Honda Daytona Coverage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256728.004E2A39.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL For those interested in Daytona stuff, I received this by email today. I must be on a Honda list somewhere. Chris Weaver ------------------------------- Interested in an all-access pass for the Daytona '99 pits? Well, stay tuned because that's exactly what Honda has in store for you. We'll broadcast straight from our Road Racing and Supercross pits to bring you race updates, highlights, pictures, interviews and much more including a special audio LIVE Q&A with the Honda Racing Team at the HRCA Daytona Banquet. So pull up a chair, log on and spend some time with the Red Riders at Daytona. Check http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/racing/daytona/ on Thursday, March 4th for the beginning of our exclusive Daytona coverage! Plus, don't forget to check our regular weekly race coverage featured at http://www.HondaRedRiders.com! You may receive future mailings announcing special promotions at Honda. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 09:34:35 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03233 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:34:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:34:27 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Usually a stoppie is coming to a complete stop and raising the rear > wheel off the ground using the braking power of the front brake. > Judging buy the record above this must mean he had the rear wheel off > the ground while traveling at 118mph, but how does he get the rear of > the ground to do this while moving? I've seen most of his stunts but > not this one to me recollection. Dave, do you know the physics principals behind doing a stoppie? As you apply pressure to the front brakes, they slow you.. pushing the front tire into the ground, giving you more contact patch and ability to break untill either you stop, or you break the friction. If you grabs the brakes hard, you's more likely to break friction (less weight bais and ability to hold the ground).. BUT, if you break heavily, THEN grab a handfull.. the rear will 'hop' up off the ground (you see it going into T5 ALL the time at Summit).. if you back off slightly, the bike will continue rolling, keeping the rear in the air.. and you have a rolling stoppie. Rothwell initiates his stoppies at, well, as indicated.. 118.12mph - then rides them to 0mph.. quite fun to watch actioally.. probably a bear to learn to do right though... Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 09:50:48 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03580 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA12853; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:50:16 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990302145016.VFMA26495@toddnt>; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:50:16 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Linda Tanner" , Subject: RE: Honda Hoot Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:48:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be64bb$b7b1d720$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19990301183231.5531.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Importance: Normal A couple of things Linda is failing to mention here is that the roads in the Asheville area are fantastic, and that there are a number of things to do and see, either riding or not. A couple of things to see are the Biltmore Estate and Chimney Rock Park. Both things could absorb a day easily. If you're into tourist traps, see how the native Americans have embraced captialism in Cherokee, NC. If nothing else, the ride down the BRP from Asheville is worth it. My advice is to hook up with like minded riders at the event. I didn't realize it at the time, but the last time I was there a bunch of my ST1100 Email buds were also there (must not have been paying attention when they announced it). But if you end up riding solo, do not hesitate to explore the area. Excellent roads. The mystery sport bike ride Linda is talking about takes you up SR151, a road I discovered all by myself. And believe me, it's much better all by yourself :) Todd > > I went to the Hoot in 97 and was mostly disappointed. Evening events all > ended by 9pm (sometimes 8) I guess to cater to the Goldwing crowd > ;-). The > daytime stuff was ok although I went on a mystery sport ride with > 400 of my > closest friends. It was a little tough to ride a great road in a > group that > big. The manufacturers show was closed to the public, so the crowds were > small and easy to deal with, but the show was small as well. > > I might go again sometime except that the national HSTA event is > at the same > time (nearly) and will be much better and it's in Ohio this year. > > Linda T. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) > > Dave Cross asked: > Anyone ever been to a Honda Hoot? What was the experience like? Was it > worth going? Was it well run? What about lodging or camping? Anything > else? > > I am kicking around the idea of going to this years in June but have > never been to one or talked with anyone who has attended one in the > past. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account > today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 09:55:35 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03605 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10HqYi-00052r-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:54:08 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21423 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NHZCQ>; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:00:03 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7DE@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:59:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > will 'hop' up off the ground (you see it going into T5 ALL the time at > Summit).. if you back off slightly, the bike will continue > rolling, keeping > the rear in the air.. and you have a rolling stoppie. > Rothwell initiates > his stoppies at, well, as indicated.. 118.12mph - then rides > them to 0mph.. > quite fun to watch actioally.. probably a bear to learn to do right > though... > I hop my rear tire before T1 and T5 at Summit more often than I should but these are little hops not full stoppies that could be ridden of course. I understand the physics of it I just dont know "how" he does it. I would love to see it. That to me would be the most amazing of his stunts. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 10:02:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03797 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD88290021C; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:02:32 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302100634.017ccc30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:07:45 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:34 AM 3/2/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >118.12mph - then rides them to 0mph.. >quite fun to watch actioally.. probably a bear to learn to do right >though... Wow. I know a few MSF instructors I'd like him to be a "student" for ... should be worth a few heart attacks. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 10:44:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04537 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28457 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23861 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:40:56 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "David Cross" , Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:41:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be64c3$2a664ba0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7DD@bdanet.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the forks. Then the rest of the momentum carries the back of the bike up. Watch some superbike races, and you can frequently see the back ends get an inch or so off the ground when coming into tight turns. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: David Cross [mailto:david@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:52 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell > > > > 5) World's fastest stoppie: 118.12 mph > > Usually a stoppie is coming to a complete stop and raising the rear > wheel off the ground using the braking power of the front brake. > Judging buy the record above this must mean he had the rear wheel off > the ground while traveling at 118mph, but how does he get the rear of > the ground to do this while moving? I've seen most of his stunts but > not this one to me recollection. > > Dave Cross > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 10:58:31 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04863 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:58:25 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:57:17 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) George, if it's so simple, would you care to teach a few of us? > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > > Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the > forks. Then the > rest of the momentum carries the back of the bike up. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 12:20:07 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06505 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10530 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:18:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > George, if it's so simple, would you care to teach a few of us? > > > > Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the > > forks. Then the rest of the momentum carries the back of the bike up. Right! This is like saying, "to play the saxaphone blow into it and move your fingers around". Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 12:31:55 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06776 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23270 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10168AB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:31:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Ahhh..so great to be getting list traffic again...... I'm assuming that we're talking stoppies here?? If you attempt one in the manner that George described, you will most likely lock the front tire before you pull a stoppie...They aren't that easy to do... On Tuesday, March 02, 1999 12:29 PM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > George, if it's so simple, would you care to teach a few of us? > > > > > > Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the > > > forks. Then the rest of the momentum carries the back of the bike up. > > Right! This is like saying, "to play the saxaphone blow into it and move > your fingers around". > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 12:53:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07162 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01119 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27389 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 568 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:52:48 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990302124931.01a9ccd0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 12:52:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Riding Lunch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ahh - its good to be back. Just took a brisk 30 minute (each way) ride on litle known roads between Reston and Tysons Corner. Took along a Harley riding co-worker to marvel at all of the slow ass drivers on the road. At what point will DOT come out and sweep the sand off my curves? Does nature just have to take its course? My fingers are a bit numb...new gloves coming soon..... Looks like rain and snow for the rest of the week. Back under the bike cover she goes..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 12:58:27 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07259 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01160 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (known smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27489 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (209-122-216-111.s111.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.111]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id MAA14189 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:58:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C1C73F.210D@erols.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:51:59 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Crass Commercial Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While at the Indianapolis Motorcycle Dealer Show, I asked several tire distributors for quotes on some tires. While most were willing to send me a mail quote at "show" prices, 1 vendor went beyond (way beyond) the call of duty and shipped the tires. When they figured out that they had made serious error, they offered to pick up the tires and take them back with no costs to me. I suggested that they make me a better deal on the tires and let me try to sell them at a better price and take back what I couldn't sell. They went for it. I have until Monday, 3/8 to get rid of them and then back they go. I have 2 Dunlop 491, 2 Dunlop 401, 2 MEz2, 2 MEz4, and 18 Dunlop D205 in front and rear sizes. First come, etc. You can reach me at 703-241-0733 This is a one time deal. There aren't any orders. WYSISIG. -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 13:03:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07370 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01259 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27631 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:00:51 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:00:45 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:10:12 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: bob@XXXXXX, Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, Askstephen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, names@XXXXXX, WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX Subject: -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline If you EVER get the chance to see this guy, DO IT! We saw him last year in Brainerd and I dang near wet myself. And his wife is as loony as he is. Joe >>> - 3/2/99 7:15 AM >>> I ran across this on another list. Gary is one wild dude. >>Oh Mama, Rothwell is Nuts Liverpool England, February 24, 1999: Internationally renowned motorcycle stunt rider Gary Rothwell has done it again. Rothwell set five new blistering, and quite insane, world records bringing his total of stunt records to seven. The five new records were set on Monday in England, and consist of the following stunts. 1) World's fastest wheelie: 178.20 mph. 2) World's fastest lying on the bike and steering with feet: 150.29 mph. 3) World's fastest skiing off the side of a motorcycle: 150.26 mph. 4) World's fastest riding backwards: 132.39 mph. (Give me a stinking break!) 5) World's fastest stoppie: 118.12 mph In addition to these World Record stunts, Gary also holds two other records; world's fastest skiing behind a motorcycle: at 150.3 mph, and the world record for the multi-person wheelie set with12 people on board. The guys at Performance Bike photographed these stunts for an upcoming feature in their magazine. Rothwell also videotaped his antics and they will be available this spring for viewing in the privacy of your home. You can see the man, and his lovely wife Joan, perform next week at the MBNA Daytona 200 on Saturday March 6th and Sunday March 7th.<< From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 13:36:26 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07980 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id ADD8AE00EA; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:28:40 EST Message-ID: <36DC2F87.92394592@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:35:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Traffic Management References: <4.1.19990302080750.017c3200@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And what about that fatal accident on I-66 yesterday in stop & go traffic? Evidently a tractor-trailer rig tapped the back of a cage, the cage driver stopped and got out to check damages in the #2 lane (#1 is the shoulder/lane thingy I-66 has). Somehow the truck driver didn't see him, ran over him and killed him. WTF?!?!? What's even stranger is the spin Channel 9(NBC) news put on the story - about how the cage driver should have pulled off onto an emergency shoulder a few hundred yards away, and how recent changes in lane usage contributed to this accident. Huh? Sounds to me like the truck driver is a bit at fault here, but thanks to the News Coverage, I don't have the complete story. Anyone know more about this? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:16:12 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08826 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA01107; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:16:59 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000985; Tue, 2 Mar 99 14:16:34 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7Z00N05ETJ2A@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256728.00696DF0 ; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:11:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:04:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Traffic Management To: Dale Horstman Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256728.0068E9AF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL A few facts... Channel 9 is CBS, actually. (4 is NBC, 7 is ABC, 5 is Fox) Governor Gilmore recently increased usage of the shoulder of I-66 (the one with the red Xs or green arrows). Westbound 66 shoulder lane availability increased from 4pm-7pm in the evening to 3pm-8pm. I believe morning shoulder usage is increased as well, but I don't know by how much. This increase is due to Gilmore getting stuck in traffic one night and deciding the shoulder lane use should be increased. (This might be hearsay, but it was on the news one night) The police are looking for people who witnessed the accident. I-66 (in that area) has no shoulder during the rush hour aside from emergency pulloffs every mile or so. If you get in a fender bender, GET THE HELL OUT OF THE TRAVEL LANES!!! Chris Weaver Dale wrote: Anyone know more about this? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:25:39 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08936 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 221; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:25:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990302142420.028103e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:25:19 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , Chris Norloff From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: I 66 Impact Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36DC2F87.92394592@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19990302080750.017c3200@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not that the Washington Post is any better than CBS...but.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-03/02/136l-030299-idx.html Man Fatally Hit by Truck After I-66 Fender Bender By Tom Jackman Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 2, 1999; Page B01 A motorist who got out of his car on Interstate 66 yesterday to check the damage from a fender bender with a truck was killed when the rush-hour traffic started moving again and the tractor-trailer ran into him, police said. The nature of the accident reignited debate over whether opening the road shoulders to traffic sacrifices driver safety for ease of commuting. On I-66, one of Virginia's busiest highways, commuters are allowed to drive on the shoulders during the morning and evening rush hours. Yesterday's incident occurred about 8:40 a.m., when Daniel P. May, 55, of Fairfax, merged his Toyota Tercel one lane left from the shoulder of I-66 after the Nutley Street on-ramp. The eastbound traffic was stop-and-go, and witnesses told police that May's car was struck from behind by a Mack tractor-trailer driven by Alvie Roy, 45, of Axton, Va. May, a retired statistician who formerly worked for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, stepped out of his car to check the damage, Virginia State Police spokeswoman Lucy Caldwell said. Investigators believe May was either crouched or kneeling beside his car when traffic started again and the truck hit his Tercel, killing May and pushing the Tercel into the shoulder lane. "Where he happened to step out," said Lon Anderson, a spokesman for AAA's Potomac chapter, "there was no shoulder available. This begs the question: Had there been a shoulder, would there be a family and a community with one more member alive today?" Anderson said increasing the capacity of the highway with more lanes was the preferable alternative to using the shoulders. State officials pointed out that the accident did not happen on the shoulder. And while yesterday was the first day of an experiment in which the time for shoulder use is being extended, the accident occurred when the shoulder would have been open anyway. The shoulder normally is open to traffic from 5:30 to 9:30 a.m. eastbound and from 3 to 7 p.m. westbound on a seven-mile stretch of I-66 outside the Capital Beltway. Gov. James S. Gilmore III last month announced an eight-month pilot program to extend the shoulder lanes' availability to 10 a.m. eastbound and to 8 p.m. westbound. State police and transportation authorities said shoulder use has resulted in no notable rise in accidents. "I'm not aware of any major incident since we have been using the far right lane as a travel lane during rush hour," said Joan Morris, spokeswoman for the Virginia Department of Transportation. The shoulders are marked with signs, red and green access lights and darker pavement. As for yesterday's fatality, Caldwell said: "It's not unusual for motorists, in a fender bender, to immediately get out of the vehicle, though we urge them not to. This could've happened on any road, the Beltway, 95, anywhere." Caldwell said there were no indications that May tried to signal or steer his car to the shoulder lane or to an emergency pull-off area 50 yards away. Roy told police he did not see May and was not aware his truck had hit May's car. A state inspection of his truck found that two of the 10 sets of brakes were out of adjustment and that there was a problem with the steering mechanism, but police did not believe those factors contributed to the accident. Roy, who was hauling furniture from Axton to Baltimore, was not charged yesterday. ___________________________________________ “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:26:37 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08956 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:25:49 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:25:44 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:57:43 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline You forgot to mention: 1. Have your wife lay belly-down on the gas tank so that her legs are clamped around your waist and her head hovers just over front wheel. 2. Execute 60-0 stoppie as usual. Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:35:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09130 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD5B1EA0250; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:34:51 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302143300.017f3340@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:42:34 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Traffic Management Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36DC2F87.92394592@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19990302080750.017c3200@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 01:35 PM 3/2/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Anyone know more about this? I'll attach the Washington Post article. They say the wreck happened at 8:40am, when the shoulder was in use as a travel lane, but the wreck happened when the driver merged into the next lane over and got rear-ended by a truck (in other words he cut off a truck. Not very smart). Then he left his car in the travel lane, was kneeling by the car looking at the damage when some truck (the same one?) hit him. (Stopping in the travel lane. Not very smart). AAA blames it on the lack of a shoulder, but the driver didn't try to move over, he just left the car in the travel lane and got out. The the VA State Police said "I'm not aware of any major incident since we have been using the far right lane as a travel lane during rush hour," said Joan Morris, spokeswoman for the Virginia Department of Transportation. But I remember an old man got killed not long after the shoulder lanes opened, because he pulled onto the shoulder and got out of his car. Got hit from behind and killed. The truck driver said he never saw the driver get out of the car, and was even unaware that he had hit the car. So this whole thing is very odd.=20 Driving around Washington DC-- like living in a Mad Max movie. Chris Norloff ***************************************** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-03/02/136l-030299-idx.html Man Fatally Hit by Truck After I-66 Fender Bender By Tom Jackman Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 2, 1999; Page B01=20 A motorist who got out of his car on Interstate 66 yesterday to check the damage from a fender bender with a truck was killed when the rush-hour traffic started moving again and the tractor-trailer ran into him, police said. The nature of the accident reignited debate over whether opening the road shoulders to traffic sacrifices driver safety for ease of commuting. On I-66, one of Virginia's busiest highways, commuters are allowed to drive on the shoulders during the morning and evening rush hours.=20 Yesterday's incident occurred about 8:40 a.m., when Daniel P. May, 55, of Fairfax, merged his Toyota Tercel one lane left from the shoulder of I-66 after the Nutley Street on-ramp. The eastbound traffic was stop-and-go, and witnesses told police that May's car was struck from behind by a Mack tractor-trailer driven by Alvie Roy, 45, of Axton, Va. May, a retired statistician who formerly worked for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, stepped out of his car to check the damage, Virginia State Police spokeswoman Lucy Caldwell said. Investigators believe May was either crouched or kneeling beside his car when traffic started again and the truck hit his Tercel, killing May and pushing the Tercel into the shoulder lane. "Where he happened to step out," said Lon Anderson, a spokesman for AAA's Potomac chapter, "there was no shoulder available. This begs the question: Had there been a shoulder, would there be a family and a community with one more member alive today?" Anderson said increasing the capacity of the highway with more lanes was the preferable alternative to using the shoulders. State officials pointed out that the accident did not happen on the shoulder. And while yesterday was the first day of an experiment in which the time for shoulder use is being extended, the accident occurred when the shoulder would have been open anyway. The shoulder normally is open to traffic from 5:30 to 9:30 a.m. eastbound and from 3 to 7 p.m. westbound on a seven-mile stretch of I-66 outside the Capital Beltway. Gov. James S. Gilmore III last month announced an eight-month pilot program to extend the shoulder lanes' availability to 10 a.m. eastbound and to 8 p.m. westbound. State police and transportation authorities said shoulder use has resulted in no notable rise in accidents. "I'm not aware of any major incident since we have been using the far right lane as a travel lane during rush hour," said Joan Morris, spokeswoman for the Virginia Department of Transportation. The shoulders are marked with signs, red and green access lights and darker pavement. As for yesterday's fatality, Caldwell said: "It's not unusual for= motorists, in a fender bender, to immediately get out of the vehicle, though we urge them not to. This could've happened on any road, the Beltway, 95, anywhere." Caldwell said there were no indications that May tried to signal or steer his car to the shoulder lane or to an emergency pull-off area 50 yards away. Roy told police he did not see May and was not aware his truck had hit May's car. A state inspection of his truck found that two of the 10 sets of brakes were out of adjustment and that there was a problem with the steering mechanism, but police did not believe those factors contributed to the accident. Roy, who was hauling furniture from Axton to Baltimore, was not charged yesterday. Staff writer Alan Sipress contributed to this report.=20 =A9 Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company=20 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:44:41 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09316 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id ADD055012E; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:36:48 EST Message-ID: <36DC3F7E.5DD77E6@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:43:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I 66 Impact References: <4.1.19990302080750.017c3200@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990302142420.028103e0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So the trucker hits a car, the car stops, the trucker hits him and the car again, kills the cager, and isn't charged, right? There's gotta be more to this story.... Let's all be careful out there... Dale Mike Troutman wrote: > > Not that the Washington Post is any better than CBS...but.... > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-03/02/136l-030299-idx.html -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:50:47 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09479 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AF65520128; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:43:33 EST Message-ID: <36DC4113.7C69B38A@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:50:43 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Traffic Management References: <85256728.0068E9AF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > > A few facts... > > Channel 9 is CBS, actually. (4 is NBC, 7 is ABC, 5 is Fox) Oops, my bad. Shows how impressed I've been with the news lately... But it sounds to me like the change in shoulder hours didn't make a squat's worth of difference in this accident, but that was the (IMO) weird slant Channel 9 (CBS!) gave it. Sounded extremely fishy to me. I agree it sounds like the cager may have cut the trucker off, it happens all the time. Those big rigs can't stop as fast as the 4-wheelers. You should hear the truckers bitch on the CB about that constantly. But for the trucker to hit the car AGAIN!?! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 14:56:35 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09502 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:56:15 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Traffic Management Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:56:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Dang.. I knew there was a reason I chose MD over VA as a place of residence... they KILL each other down there while driving! From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 15:30:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10193 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03235 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01925 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:30:35 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256728.006FB946 ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:20:19 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256728.006EB969.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:20:15 -0500 Subject: Re: I 66 Impact Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>So the trucker hits a car, the car stops, the trucker hits him and the car again, kills the cager, and isn't charged, right? There's gotta be more to this story....<< You got that right Dale. Between the TV report and the Washington Post article, the intelligence rate rises to about the level of an eight year old. I propose the following new entry for the next edition of dictionaries: journalist - See moron From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 15:43:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10422 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03386 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02366 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD6317A0208; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:43:15 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990302154649.01800e00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:49:52 -0500 To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I 66 Impact In-Reply-To: <85256728.006EB969.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >There's gotta be more to this story....<< > At 03:20 PM 3/2/99 , Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: >You got that right Dale. Between the TV report and the Washington Post >article, the intelligence rate rises to about the level of an eight year >old. > >I propose the following new entry for the next edition of dictionaries: > >journalist - See moron One of the biggest problems today with journalists and journalism is that often all they do is get gov't-issued or company-issued news releases, and parrot that information as "journalism". The idea of actually collecting information on your own, or of reviewing the "official version" critically is so unusual that it's given its own name -- "Investigative Journalism". Shouldn't ALL journalism be "investigative"?, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 15:53:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10612 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03501 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03032 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Steve_Beck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I 66 Impact Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, now, don't lump all of us journalists into the same category. I haven't read the article yet, but calling all journalists "morons" is = like calling all motorcyclists "bikers" or all Southerners "rednecks" (hey, = wait a minute, I resemble that remark. 8^=DE) Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX [mailto:Steve_Beck@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 3:20 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I 66 Impact >>So the trucker hits a car, the car stops, the trucker hits him and the car again, kills the cager, and isn't charged, right? There's gotta be more to this story....<< You got that right Dale. Between the TV report and the Washington Post article, the intelligence rate rises to about the level of an eight = year old. I propose the following new entry for the next edition of dictionaries: journalist - See moron From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 15:55:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10643 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03572 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03083 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I 66 Impact Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain All right, folks, ... no, no ... gotta fight it ... stay out of this ... Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 3:50 PM To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I 66 Impact >There's gotta be more to this story....<< > At 03:20 PM 3/2/99 , Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: >You got that right Dale. Between the TV report and the Washington Post >article, the intelligence rate rises to about the level of an eight year >old. > >I propose the following new entry for the next edition of dictionaries: > >journalist - See moron One of the biggest problems today with journalists and journalism is that often all they do is get gov't-issued or company-issued news releases, and parrot that information as "journalism". The idea of actually collecting information on your own, or of reviewing the "official version" critically is so unusual that it's given its own name -- "Investigative Journalism". Shouldn't ALL journalism be "investigative"?, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 16:10:59 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10903 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:10:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Honda Hoot Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:10:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks, Todd, for that ringing endorsement of my hometown. Can't remember the dates right off the top of my head, but if and when others decide to go, I might can work it out to go as well. I was in Asheville on other business when the event happened last year. Hooked up with a small group and rode the Blue Ridge Parkway for a little while before I had to continue on. Wish I had known when I arrived in Asheville, so I could've participated in other events. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 9:48 AM To: Linda Tanner; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Honda Hoot A couple of things Linda is failing to mention here is that the roads in the Asheville area are fantastic, and that there are a number of things to do and see, either riding or not. A couple of things to see are the Biltmore Estate and Chimney Rock Park. Both things could absorb a day easily. If you're into tourist traps, see how the native Americans have embraced captialism in Cherokee, NC. If nothing else, the ride down the BRP from Asheville is worth it. My advice is to hook up with like minded riders at the event. I didn't realize it at the time, but the last time I was there a bunch of my ST1100 Email buds were also there (must not have been paying attention when they announced it). But if you end up riding solo, do not hesitate to explore the area. Excellent roads. The mystery sport bike ride Linda is talking about takes you up SR151, a road I discovered all by myself. And believe me, it's much better all by yourself :) Todd > > I went to the Hoot in 97 and was mostly disappointed. Evening events all > ended by 9pm (sometimes 8) I guess to cater to the Goldwing crowd > ;-). The > daytime stuff was ok although I went on a mystery sport ride with > 400 of my > closest friends. It was a little tough to ride a great road in a > group that > big. The manufacturers show was closed to the public, so the crowds were > small and easy to deal with, but the show was small as well. > > I might go again sometime except that the national HSTA event is > at the same > time (nearly) and will be much better and it's in Ohio this year. > > Linda T. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) > > Dave Cross asked: > Anyone ever been to a Honda Hoot? What was the experience like? Was it > worth going? Was it well run? What about lodging or camping? Anything > else? > > I am kicking around the idea of going to this years in June but have > never been to one or talked with anyone who has attended one in the > past. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account > today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 2 17:25:46 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12371 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:25:44 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA18194; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:25:50 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017984; Tue, 2 Mar 99 17:25:15 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7Z00GFSNMQDB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256728.007AD929 ; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:21:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:21:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Riding Lunch To: Mike Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256728.007A961F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Your fingers were numb in 60 deg weather? Whew ... electrics may not even help you. :-) --chris (cold blooded winter rider) From: Mike Troutman Date: 03/02/99 05:52:45 PM GMT Subject: Riding Lunch Ahh - its good to be back. Just took a brisk 30 minute (each way) ride on litle known roads between Reston and Tysons Corner. Took along a Harley --snip-- My fingers are a bit numb...new gloves coming soon..... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 00:10:10 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19287 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA08688 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id XAA25364; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-252-253.s507.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com(209.122.252.253) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma025361; Tue, 2 Mar 99 23:42:04 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990302234034.00ae2d60@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:41:41 -0500 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Riding Lunch Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256728.007A961F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:21 PM 3/2/99 -0500, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Your fingers were numb in 60 deg weather? Whew ... electrics may not even >help you. :-) Sure wasn't 60 degrees in the shade where I was....felt like 50 when we were stopped, and 20 when we were moving ;-) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 00:10:13 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19290 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA05269 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (207-172-182-84.s84.tnt19.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.182.84]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA14450 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:20:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701be65ee$4cf37cc0$54b6accf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Daytona 200 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:22:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE65C4.62EF5500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE65C4.62EF5500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some of my buddies are thinking about watching the Daytona 200 at Damons = in Woodbridge on Sunday evening. Anyone interested in joining us? This = includes wives or female significant others, as Kerri (my wife) will be = there also and probably would appreciate some female companionship. (Is = that PC?) Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE65C4.62EF5500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some of my buddies are thinking = about watching=20 the Daytona 200 at Damons in Woodbridge on Sunday evening.  Anyone=20 interested in joining us?  This includes wives or female = significant=20 others, as Kerri (my wife) will be there also and probably would = appreciate some=20 female companionship.  (Is that PC?)
Roy D. Turner, = Esq.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE65C4.62EF5500-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 00:10:29 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19293 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:10:14 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA03680 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7ZOJa20553; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:33:22 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:33:22 EST To: Wishn4him@XXXXXX, POSTMAN28M@XXXXXX, Voxreri@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, HOGWILDX2@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, JFitzge669@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, SassyJazz@XXXXXX, PSYCHONORD@XXXXXX, Spitsucran@XXXXXX, Edina5@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, MCF007@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, LgOvrLethr@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, Tccard@XXXXXX, VHWALLS@XXXXXX, Tophogdog@XXXXXX, SHguts@XXXXXX, Wendyrocks@XXXXXX, Kelly68@XXXXXX, Fyrstorm74@XXXXXX, Jukon@XXXXXX, JHD93@XXXXXX, HDusenbery@XXXXXX, JSHD86@XXXXXX, easyriderddg@XXXXXX, TrixiMixi@XXXXXX, SwiftRebel@XXXXXX, Skipride@XXXXXX, Tuflilbabe@XXXXXX, WilbertG@XXXXXX, Travler333@XXXXXX, HarleyzMyn@XXXXXX, UnclChrley@XXXXXX, THall67@XXXXXX, M4CYKLONE@XXXXXX, Stacey3253@XXXXXX, Alphagrrrr@XXXXXX, barretts93@XXXXXX, MACAKITA@XXXXXX, mnicastri@XXXXXX, SMitch2282@XXXXXX, WHilton361@XXXXXX, Scot615@XXXXXX, Tjahdrider@XXXXXX, Khd93@XXXXXX, SWAMPHAGG@XXXXXX, BetyBp43@XXXXXX, PokeyBLTN@XXXXXX, HDRider5@XXXXXX, Green60283@XXXXXX, Trainer175@XXXXXX, Airrr210@XXXXXX, ShdwRdr667@XXXXXX, RUTHLEZZ@XXXXXX, EYoung5152@XXXXXX, LoneTrim@XXXXXX, DDeihl9445@XXXXXX, R90S@XXXXXX, LIKEAMU@XXXXXX, JOSEB123@XXXXXX, LeeOwen@XXXXXX, DBASS753@XXXXXX, KIKSTARTR@XXXXXX, NIKOTROIA@XXXXXX, SMARTASSS4@XXXXXX, RPass32730@XXXXXX, DVD@XXXXXX, NICPAS1@XXXXXX, WIKDWTCH@XXXXXX, DWOLFDOG@XXXXXX, DSR6415@XXXXXX, SusanR39@XXXXXX, JimJacks@XXXXXX, gvhannah@XXXXXX, Caren1m@XXXXXX, Shovl82@XXXXXX, MeanMlKE@XXXXXX, HD72Sport@XXXXXX, g.snelson@XXXXXX, LWELCH@XXXXXX, FXSB1340@XXXXXX, TDarkstar@XXXXXX, Vva451ghm@XXXXXX, DDDHDRider@XXXXXX, Skingirl@XXXXXX, BULLET1891@XXXXXX, Juicyfru69@XXXXXX, HD1996@XXXXXX, JimSchillo@XXXXXX, Sailorkel@XXXXXX, DickB95410@XXXXXX, Wicked816@XXXXXX, LJFRKOKOMO@XXXXXX, FREEDM@XXXXXX, LOWRFRED@XXXXXX, Barbbeep@XXXXXX, LouNick@XXXXXX, Harleyxtcy@XXXXXX, Biker536@XXXXXX, Camel62@XXXXXX, HOGV@XXXXXX, SUPRLAWMAN@XXXXXX, JoanReMax@XXXXXX, RoylatG1@XXXXXX, WCFATBOY@XXXXXX, WYLDTHYNG1@XXXXXX, CLAINCE@XXXXXX, Ocikat@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, StrmWatch@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, khafre@XXXXXX, Crgcrisis@XXXXXX, JFA2@XXXXXX, FabThad@XXXXXX, imidysa@XXXXXX, Spike574@XXXXXX, ZX6RKAW@XXXXXX, Gcfnb@XXXXXX, DGaeng@XXXXXX, JMille5592@XXXXXX, BOOKEMinDC@XXXXXX, Carolbiker@XXXXXX, MOTOCYCLER@XXXXXX, PROBIKE4U@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, true@XXXXXX, BBtintop@XXXXXX, SEVENSPEAR@XXXXXX, JLarsen930@XXXXXX, ERICARCHER@XXXXXX, Prsdntlbch@XXXXXX, KAT88888@XXXXXX, fdinata@XXXXXX, OsbornKev@XXXXXX, snake69@XXXXXX, LBKIII@XXXXXX, SMITHCAR69@XXXXXX, HarleyDew@XXXXXX, Wizzette32@XXXXXX, Hdavbabe@XXXXXX, JTEE007@XXXXXX, peter@XXXXXX, SJordan185@XXXXXX, rockwood_lelia@XXXXXX, GUFEAR@XXXXXX, LaceWheels@XXXXXX, Ruffinmug@XXXXXX, pgerhardt@XXXXXX, nicole@XXXXXX, Chuckbiker@XXXXXX, Onebil2mny@XXXXXX, Dadnhisboy@XXXXXX, Postman53@XXXXXX, Geeshaw@XXXXXX, Panda098@XXXXXX, EZRyder421@XXXXXX, RWitten69@XXXXXX, Ladytaz47@XXXXXX, FRexach@XXXXXX, TIM88RG@XXXXXX, Ndmny@XXXXXX, robin_m_gilliam@XXXXXX, BlackcatU2@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **POKER RUN FINAL DETAILS** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 For Details on the MARCH 14, 1999 POKER RUN FOR JK Please refer to the following Web Site Heyser's Home Page If for any reason you can't open this site, drop me a note and I'll give you all the details. The Poker Run is listed under EVENTS and under DISCUSSIONS. Feel free to add, comment or offer your assistance in any way. I'll be there and hope to see you all at this most worthy Event and a great way to start the year off right! For those of you didn't know JK, he recently passed away from a battle with cancer. He was a member of Heyer's for at least 2 decades and was an honest, hardworking, caring individual who strived to do what was right and fair. The proceeds will be going to his family to offset medical and family expenses. Ride safely and stay warm! And if you have the flu, GET OVER IT! Lee From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 00:28:58 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19842 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:15:27 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:16:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00af01be6534$f813bb20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Simple in theory. Not so simple in practice. I've inadvertantly done it a few times, but 600 lb bikes aren't the best for this kinda thing. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 10:57 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell > > > George, if it's so simple, would you care to teach a few of us? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > > > > > Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the > > forks. Then the > > rest of the momentum carries the back of the bike up. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 00:29:00 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19844 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:18:11 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:19:03 -0500 Message-ID: <00b001be6535$5a38da60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10168AB@MSCEX> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I believe that, as often happens, my comments were taken out of context. The question that I was answering was 'how does one do a stoppie from xxx speed?'. The answer is to apply braking force in such a manner that the front of the bike is braking and diving hard enough to raise the rear of the bike. This doesn't matter what speed you are travelling at. If someone like Rothwell can practice and train long enough, it should be achievable at any velocity. Taken in context, and taken as the answer was intended (that a very difficult problem is really more simple physics), it makes perfect sense. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [mailto:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 12:31 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell > > > Ahhh..so great to be getting list traffic again...... > > I'm assuming that we're talking stoppies here?? If you attempt one in the > manner that George described, you will most likely lock the front tire > before you pull a stoppie...They aren't that easy to do... > > On Tuesday, March 02, 1999 12:29 PM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > George, if it's so simple, would you care to teach a few of us? > > > > > > > > Simple. You just have to brake hard enough to compress the > > > > forks. Then the rest of the momentum carries the back of > the bike up. > > > > Right! This is like saying, "to play the saxaphone blow into it and move > > your fingers around". > > > > Kirk > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 07:01:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07832 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA15513 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16330 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09504 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust022.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.22]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA18006 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:01:17 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990302221808.0069f6a8@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:18:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Junkyards In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990302081343.017c3780@mail.toward.com> References: <19990301193552.A19467@cosanostra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" H&H in Woodbridge, VA has mostly sport bike stuff. At 08:15 AM 3/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:35 PM 3/1/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: >>Kind of a dumb question, but does anybody know of any bike junkyards >>in the area? Preferably pull-it-yourself, but I'll take what I can >>get...I found baltimore cycle salvage, but I'm hoping there are some >>others around. > >Winding Road Motorcycle Times has ads for them. There's one in Baltimore, >Cumberland (MD), Dover (DE), and Norfolk. They pull the parts off >themselves, but the advantage is they know what they have. P&F in Dover is >wonderful, worth a trip just to see the place, and a great source. > >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 07:05:36 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07950 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA29368 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990303120712.10722.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.16.7] by web304.yahoomail.com; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 04:07:12 PST Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:07:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Daytona 200 To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Some of my buddies are thinking about watching the Daytona 200 at Damons in > Woodbridge on Sunday evening. Anyone interested in joining us? Where is Damons? I'm not all that familiar with Woodbridge. And will Damons be showing the race? Wouldn't be fun if we go there and they have something else on tv. > This includes wives or female significant others, as Kerri (my wife) will be > there also and probably would appreciate some female companionship. (Is that > PC?) Hmmm, might be more PC to say anyone is welcome. There are probably women who are not currently anyone's wife or SO who wants to watch the race as well. :) Louis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 09:40:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10330 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17278 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from E-MAIL.COM (known e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18438 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 8564 ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:40:15 7 E Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:39:56 4 E Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id 85256729.0050A04F ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:40:39 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256729.00509E95.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:40:07 -0500 Subject: Local Paint (N. VA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I am looking for recommendations for some dent removal and paint work for my bike Sheetmetal. I am not looking for fancy flames or air brushing, just HD Vivid black, but the tank has a dent, and the fenders both have minor imperfections that I want right. Any guess of what should be spent on this? Any info appreciated. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 09:49:43 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10483 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:49:41 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA17216; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:50:26 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016059; Wed, 3 Mar 99 09:47:31 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8000FFPX3RNH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256729.0050F095 ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:44:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:40:11 -0500 Subject: Battley wins at Daytona To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256729.0050AD02.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I just found this on the 2WF site: Battle of the Twins Formula One Devin Battley (No. 85 Ducati) -- "Rolf Knecht, the guy from Switzerland, got a good start and came around me in turn one. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 13:28:32 1999 Return-Path: tfrazie@XXXXXX Received: from tecom-ftp.army.mil (tecom-ftp.apg.army.mil [130.114.34.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14804 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: tfrazie@XXXXXX Received: from tec1.apg.army.mil (tec1.apg.army.mil [130.114.34.13]) by tecom-ftp.army.mil (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA18410; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:26:04 -0500 Received: from ccMail by tec1.apg.army.mil (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5) id AA920485678; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:28:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9903039204.AA920485678@tec1.apg.army.mil> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:27:54 -0500 To: , Subject: FOR SALE: Primo 83 Yamaha Midnight Maxim 750 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Repost to correct subject line. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: Anyone interested in buying a 82 Yahama 550 Maxim? (correction 83 Yamaha Midnight Maxim 750) Author: tfrazie at TECOM Date: 2/25/99 11:29 AM I'm selling my '83 Midnight Maxim 750CC (XJ750M) Cruiser style. It's in primo shape with about 16K miles. It still looks new! Black Chrome handlebars, mufflers, etc. Lowered saddle Black chrome engine guards with new Yamaha hiway pegs New Battery Brand new tires New National Cycle windscreen with clear lowers (quick release) One of two year's production (82 and 83) Asking $1500 firm Call Tim 410 575-6254 or email tfrazie@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 16:21:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18098 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24286 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00376 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 425 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990303162115.02013200@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:21:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Interesting Link Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cinematographic Stuntman http://www.asi.fr/~jmermet/goy_english.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 16:48:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18583 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24779 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01152 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:48:32 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HAVSa05506 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:40:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:40:48 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: any bmw slash 5 riders out there? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 I'm moving soon and I have some /5 parts I don't want to bring with me. Let's see, there's a couple of front ends, a wheel or two, a final drive a rear frame section... heavy bulky stuff. Anyone willing to pick it up here in Silver Spring can have it for free as long as they take it all You can reach me best via e-mail. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 17:31:03 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19403 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-69-80.s271.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.69.80]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02934 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:30:59 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Track Day at Summit Point Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:33:02 -0500 Message-ID: <003901be65c5$cc83b960$5135accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal A friend sent me some email about Team Pro-motion having a track day out at Summit Point March 20-21 and they are looking for some volunteer cornerworkers. Anyone who's had any experience with MARRC is especially welcome, but no experience necessary. "If you're interested, sign-up at the US Marshalls website http://www.usmarshalls.org/ There's a wealth of information on the site for novice cornerworkers and about motorcycle roadracing in general. " LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 19:15:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21451 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26933 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from web510.yahoomail.com (known web510.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.80]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04807 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:15:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990304001801.19722.rocketmail@web510.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.159.1.17] by web510.yahoomail.com; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:18:01 PST Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:18:01 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Local Paint (N. VA) To: ddiefend@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dave, Some people have used local bodywork and paint shops, including places like Maaco I believe, and they can provide specifics. I just wanted to mention that most motorcycle dealerships have relationships with bodywork shops for such repairs, so you might ask nearby dealers who they use. Sean Sullivan ---ddiefend@XXXXXX wrote: > > I am looking for recommendations for some dent removal and paint work for my > bike Sheetmetal. I am not looking for fancy flames or air brushing, just HD > Vivid black, but the tank has a dent, and the fenders both have minor > imperfections that I want right. Any guess of what should be spent on this? > Any info appreciated. Dave > > > == DC-Cycles t-shirts are $10 each for S-XL, $12 for XXL and up. The logo is no. 1b at www.dc-cycles.org. Send a check and your order with shirt quantity, size and color to: Sean Sullivan 16 8TH ST, NE WASHINGTON, DC 20002 Questions? E-mail me at redsullivan@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 21:30:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23836 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28617 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07543 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA28054 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:30:43 -0500 Message-ID: <00ba01be65e6$8d3692c0$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: any bmw slash 5 riders out there? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:27:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 'Lo Colleen -- Back and active, eh. Hope this move will be a local one? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Likes to move Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: MotorLE@XXXXXX >I'm moving soon From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 21:50:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24160 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28783 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.troutman.org (known 209-122-246-148.s529.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.148]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07772 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by gecko.troutman.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA00519; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:49:55 -0500 Received: from iguana(172.16.50.1) by gecko via smap (V2.1) id xma000517; Wed, 3 Mar 99 21:49:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990303214808.00d0ba90@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:49:27 -0500 To: ddiefend@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Local Paint (N. VA) In-Reply-To: <85256729.00509E95.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:40 AM 3/3/99 -0500, ddiefend@XXXXXX wrote: >I am looking for recommendations for some dent removal and paint work for my >bike Sheetmetal. I am not looking for fancy flames or air brushing, just HD >Vivid black, but the tank has a dent, and the fenders both have minor >imperfections that I want right. Any guess of what should be spent on this? >Any info appreciated. Dave Wanted to send this from work but didn't have his number. This is my girlfriend's brother. Does great work in Manassas, VA Endicott Paint and Collision Chris Endicott 703-367-0420 _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 21:53:52 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24180 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA28576 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:53:48 -0500 Message-ID: <00db01be65e9$c6bccd40$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: For now and wannabee KAW riders -- some history Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BE65BF.DD374B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BE65BF.DD374B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the Vulcan List -- (click on 'history and new pics' in the first = site para) http://www.cybercyclemag.com/ Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Heritage to be proud of Join the AMA. 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------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BE65BF.DD374B60-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 3 22:16:36 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24590 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA29222 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: <010601be65ec$f4699540$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Fw: Bike art Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:13:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan List -- Bill S. / DC / 513 99 VN750 --> Likes to draw admiring glances Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. >Check out this link. Some wild airbrush to sculpture artwork. > >http://www.motorcyclecity.com/art.htm > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 01:22:30 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27585 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05190; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA27855; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA01696; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:14:40 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36DE24D0.B7F40365@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 01:14:40 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorcyclists, I finally installed my BC800 on my CBR1K & man it's sweet. You get a digital speed readout , clock, avg speed, max speed, tripometer & ride time. This thing is really cool. Also, I installed the rump lights assembly from KRISS industries. This is the 3rd time I've purchased these rump lights & they make a big difference in visibility. I had to drive down to Freestate Cycles on Central Ave for minor service & my wife had to follow in the truck. She said that those rump lights made me very visible in the evening traffic. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! Hmmm, what to install next...;) DJ Bowie MD 93' CBR1000K aka "Charity" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 07:35:44 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04766 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA02792; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:37:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002701be663c$20910b40$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "djonesj" , , Subject: Re: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:40:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Now for an interesting trick with the BC800.. this is for all you electronic gurus out there.... how could one backlight the BC800 display for night time use? -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: djonesj To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; cbr-digest@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:39 AM Subject: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights >Motorcyclists, > >I finally installed my BC800 on my CBR1K & man it's sweet. You get a >digital speed readout , clock, avg speed, max speed, tripometer & ride >time. This thing is really cool. Also, I installed the rump lights >assembly from KRISS industries. This is the 3rd time I've purchased >these rump lights & they make a big difference in visibility. I had to >drive down to Freestate Cycles on Central Ave for minor service & my >wife had to follow in the truck. She said that those rump lights made me >very visible in the evening traffic. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! Hmmm, what to >install next...;) > >DJ >Bowie MD >93' CBR1000K aka "Charity" > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 08:06:56 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05241 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:06:38 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Winter Wonderland.. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:05:08 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't hardly see for all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have the fortune of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts were right?? *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of astonishment from cagers? To be honest, I didn't even have the ability to see what the other people on the road were looking at me like.. It was only upon arriving at work did people start to look at me a little weird (not to bad, they know what I'm like)... Cheers everyone... :) Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 08:19:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05410 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A86628C101DC; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:19:34 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990304082403.018e0f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:27:00 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:05 AM 3/4/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't hardly see for >all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have the fortune >of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts were right?? >*chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of >astonishment from cagers? Yup. The air temperature was 30 at my house when I left, but I figured the roads were warmer as the temps have been above 32 for several days. There were big flakes of snow coming down as I got the cover off the bike - it was half-frozen from the precipitation changing from rain to snow last night. No problem riding, I made sure to do my leaning by weighting the pegs rather than by countersteering on bridges and overpasses, just in case. The metal expansion joints on the overpasses were more slippery than usual, but that was all. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 08:40:04 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05719 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA02121; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:39:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002095; Thu Mar 4 07:39:01 1999 Message-ID: <36DE8CC5.93D9648@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:38:13 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It wasn't a bad ride in, but the snow doesn't run off the visor like rain. The farther I rode, the darker it got outside. I did notice most of the cagers were staying a little farther away from me than usual. Anyone know what the ride home is suppose to be like? Ed McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't hardly see for > all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have the fortune > of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts were right?? > *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of > astonishment from cagers? To be honest, I didn't even have the ability to > see what the other people on the road were looking at me like.. It was only > upon arriving at work did people start to look at me a little weird (not to > bad, they know what I'm like)... > > Cheers everyone... :) > > Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 08:47:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05874 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA04194; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:47:06 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304134705.CYTX26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:47:05 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Winter Wonderland.. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:45:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be6645$3ab0bb70$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Brian McCoy wrote: > > Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't hardly see for > all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have > the fortune > of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts > were right?? > *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of > astonishment from cagers? There was a little snow on tree branches and rooftops where I live, but nothing falling when I left (8am). Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:08:10 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06226 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA20748; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:04:30 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304140732.DAOR26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:07:32 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Ed Hand" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Winter Wonderland.. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:05:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be6648$165d6310$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <36DE8CC5.93D9648@ix.netcom.com> According to the wxch, sunny. > > It wasn't a bad ride in, but the snow doesn't run off the visor > like rain. The > farther I rode, the darker it got outside. I did notice most of > the cagers were > staying a little farther away from me than usual. Anyone know > what the ride > home is suppose to be like? > > Ed > > McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't > hardly see for > > all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have > the fortune > > of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts > were right?? > > *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure > the looks of > > astonishment from cagers? To be honest, I didn't even have the > ability to > > see what the other people on the road were looking at me like.. > It was only > > upon arriving at work did people start to look at me a little > weird (not to > > bad, they know what I'm like)... > > > > Cheers everyone... :) > > > > Brian > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:08:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06235 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA08708; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:07:31 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304140729.DAOJ26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:07:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Thomas and Jeannette" , "djonesj" , , Subject: RE: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be6648$148cc1c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <002701be663c$20910b40$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> Is this a riddle? I've thought of rigging a tiny zenon diode spot-light above the cyclometer that can be removed, and powered inline. Cover the light with a red tinting for night vision. If you wanted to take the cyclometer apart you might see whats needed to be dremeled out of the way for a tiny diode to point across the LCD field, and have it powered inline. Todd > > Now for an interesting trick with the BC800.. this is for all you > electronic > gurus out there.... how could one backlight the BC800 display for > night time > use? > > -Tom > '86 VFR750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:23:32 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06529 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16782; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26572; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01823; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:15:39 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36DE958B.86E77A5E@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:15:39 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nomad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights References: <19990304135910.28841.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nomad wrote: > DJ, > I just got received the rump lights from KRISS. How long did it take > you to install the rump lights? Any tricks to hooking up the wires > correctly the first time? > Herb > '94 Honda Magna > > ---Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > > > > Now for an interesting trick with the BC800.. this is for all you > electronic > > gurus out there.... how could one backlight the BC800 display for > night time > > use? > > > > -Tom > > '86 VFR750 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: djonesj > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; > cbr-digest@XXXXXX > > > > Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:39 AM > > Subject: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights > > > > > > >Motorcyclists, > > > > > >I finally installed my BC800 on my CBR1K & man it's sweet. You get a > > >digital speed readout , clock, avg speed, max speed, tripometer & > ride > > >time. This thing is really cool. Also, I installed the rump lights > > >assembly from KRISS industries. This is the 3rd time I've purchased > > >these rump lights & they make a big difference in visibility. I had > to > > >drive down to Freestate Cycles on Central Ave for minor service & my > > >wife had to follow in the truck. She said that those rump lights > made me > > >very visible in the evening traffic. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! Hmmm, what > to > > >install next...;) > > > > > >DJ > > >Bowie MD > > >93' CBR1000K aka "Charity" > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Hey Herb, If you've worked with electronics before, then you should have no problem reading the schematic. Do yourself a favor & go by a electronics store & get yourself a variety connector set. This makes it easier than cutting/splicing into the wire. One confusing thing is the part on the schematic about connecting one wire to the tail-light assembly. This is the last step & can be done by turning on the lights & once you've grounded the assembly, then touch each connector until the lights come on. Once this is done, turn off the bike, connect the wire to the connector you found. I did it the easiest way by unplugging the tail light plug & sticking the wire in the correct hole & then plugging the tail-light back together again. This is kinda like connecting a wire to the fuse box when you need power for your car stereo or fog lights. Good Luck! DJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:25:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06572 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07376 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (known relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15356 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:25:36 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgfcb12263 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525672A.005004A7 ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:34:00 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525672A.0050044C.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:20:21 -0500 Subject: Suggestions? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok, I go to GMU one night a week for classes and usually take the bike. The problem is, they gave me this HUGE UGLY green sticker for parking and on the instructions it says, "for motorcycles, simply put on your tank." YEAH, RIGHT!! Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely ruining my bike? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:32:57 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06742 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28013 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:32:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:32:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of > astonishment from cagers? I have "discovered" a big disadvantage of a new bike - I wasn't inclined to ride it today because I didn't want to get salt all over it... Soon a 2nd bike will be set-up that ought to take care of days like today. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 09:43:57 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06929 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:43:50 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:43:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Now for an interesting trick with the BC800.. this is for all > you electronic gurus out there.... how could one backlight the > BC800 display for night time use? I believe there's another bicycle speedo that has a light function (you have to his a button, not a big deal). The only problem with it was that the top sped was 125 or something (I, personaly, don't care). I am NOT certain of this info.. but remember Collin talking about it when the bike shop opened near his place... Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 10:09:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07435 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07900 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (known ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16789 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA22499; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:05:24 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304150826.DJEQ26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:08:26 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be6650$9808c140$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <8525672A.0050044C.00@172.16.2.37> This applies to all those damned stickers authorities want you to put on your bike. Fashion a mounting plate that can be secured at a bolt that someone wouldn't necessarily want to mess with. I have mine mounted to the axle pinch bolts and bent toward the back of the bike. This required cutting out so the plate would fit over the axle, but it's fairly secure and not to obvious (I painted it black to match the fork lowers). Maybe for you Jeannette, an extended piece of galvanized metal (hardware store) mounted behind the license plate, and drill the bolts and safety wire them so the nut is harder to remove. Or, mount it to the passenger peg location. Look around. In any case, you might want to paint it as well to match your bike. Todd > > Ok, I go to GMU one night a week for classes and usually take the > bike. The > problem is, they gave me this HUGE UGLY green sticker for parking > and on the > instructions it says, "for motorcycles, simply put on your tank." > YEAH, RIGHT!! > Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely > ruining my bike? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 10:13:46 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07558 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3162280242; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:13:26 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990304101153.018fabd0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:14:02 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:32 AM 3/4/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: >I have "discovered" a big disadvantage of a new bike - I wasn't inclined >to ride it today because I didn't want to get salt all over it... Soon a >2nd bike will be set-up that ought to take care of days like today. >Kirk I was thinking about that myself recently - but for me, the newer bike, with its plastic bodywork, is better protected against salt corrosion than the old bike with the exposed engine. Last time I had it out I washed it pretty good when I got home and sprayed S100 Engine Corrosion Preventative (or some name like that) -- I'll see how well it does! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 10:31:30 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07870 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:31:29 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2SNDa06485 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:24:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <659d4202.36dea5a9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:24:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 11:07:33 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08549 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id ADFBB8D00F6; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:59:55 EST Message-ID: <36DEAFB0.2B2F4ACF@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:07:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's it. I'm tired of this cold. Tonight I'm hopping on my bike (d'oh, I meant Tracy's bike) and riding to Daytona. I hear there's a little bike thing going on down there. Might be fun. See you all in a few days... Dale (that 25 mph headwind was nasty this morning...) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 11:19:25 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08729 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00929 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:19:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:19:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Local paint shop Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been meaning to reply to that inquiry on paint shops but... Anyway, here it is, finally. Straightline Auto Body in Elkridge. They're right off Rt. 1 near the Baltimore beltway. 410-796-3378 They did great work on a friend's bike, for a reasonable cost. See his bike at: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/jeff/jeff.htm Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 11:30:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08956 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09137 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19757 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:26:12 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:27:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00fb01be665b$df306360$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <8525672A.0050044C.00@172.16.2.37> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Make a separate plate to mount below the license plate and stick it there. My brother cut up an old soda can for this when he was at UMCP. You could also get a metal plate and attach it to one of the forks. On the R850R, there was a plate like this that mounted the VA annual inspection sticker. The other thing you might be able to do is mount it to a piece of plastic, put the plastic inside a ziploc bag, and then use a magnet to hold this bag to the tank while you are parked. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 11:42:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09217 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09360 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20158 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from gforeman (surf159.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.159]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA00813; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:41:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" To: Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:41:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be665d$d0725ca0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <8525672A.0050044C.00@172.16.2.37> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Same way I did my VA Inspection and county sticker. Made a plate, and bolted it to the bike. Bolt behind a peg or something. Maybe you can see it in this picture: http://www.fj1100.com/summit/980531-1.jpg It's a piece if lexan, painted black. After I get 5 or so stickers built up, I just make a new one. The lexan is a big sheet off an old coke machine (you know, the plastic in front that shows light). The stuff is almost indestructible. Of yours you could make one out of stainless steel also that would look trick. Hope this helps. Gary Foreman gforeman@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX > [mailto:Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 9:20 AM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Suggestions? > > > > > Ok, I go to GMU one night a week for classes and usually take the > bike. The > problem is, they gave me this HUGE UGLY green sticker for parking > and on the > instructions it says, "for motorcycles, simply put on your tank." > YEAH, RIGHT!! > Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely > ruining my bike? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 11:47:39 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09326 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D4VN75Q7; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:46:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. Message-ID: <19990301.121906.5023.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-10 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:46:38 EST Didn't ride in the snow, but I rode a new Intruder 1400 to a customer's house yesterday around lunchtime, before the rain. The wind was really gusty. It hit me in the chest as I was getting on the Ffx Co Pkwy with such force that I had a hard time expanding my chest to take a breath and my speed dropped about 10mph in the blink of an eye. The 1400 is a nice bike when you're up to speed, but at low speeds, the tall front wheel has a tendency to flop to one side or the other, making parking maneuvers and U-turns a chore. With the wind cross-checking me yesterday, it was all I could do to hold it steady. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 12:02:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09629 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09761 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (known web506.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20925 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:02:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990304170440.17538.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.97.127.172] by web506.yahoomail.com; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:04:40 PST Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:04:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Suggestions? To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't know much about your VFR setup, but I'll be mounting my new sticker on the side of the rear fender. I've seen setups like Todd referred to (bolt-on piece of metal, usually attached to the tag), but if the sticker is valuable/transferable, someone will remove the whole piece. You might also consider wrapping it around one of the forks. Either way, though, what a PITA. ---Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: > Ok, I go to GMU one night a week for classes and usually take the bike. The > problem is, they gave me this HUGE UGLY green sticker for parking and on the > instructions it says, "for motorcycles, simply put on your tank." YEAH, RIGHT!! > Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely > ruining my bike? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 12:18:47 1999 Return-Path: mevian@XXXXXX Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09923 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:18:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990304171857.15277.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.103.49.115] by send103.yahoomail.com; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:18:57 PST Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:18:57 -0800 (PST) From: Keri Ferencz Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii unsubscribe _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 12:52:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10509 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10686 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (known ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22576 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA05503; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:48:17 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304175120.EJDN26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:51:20 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" , Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:49:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be6667$58e4b200$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000501be665d$d0725ca0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> > > Same way I did my VA Inspection and county sticker. Made a plate, and > bolted it to the bike. Bolt behind a peg or something. Maybe you can see > it in this picture: > > http://www.fj1100.com/summit/980531-1.jpg Nice looking ride Gary! From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 13:13:01 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10899 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA14480; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:09:26 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304181229.ELUS26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:12:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Keri Ferencz" , Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001301be666a$4d477dd0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <19990304171857.15277.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Another wayward subscriber, come to tell us goodbye. Please refer to http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/dc-cycles/ Bookmark it, remember it, use it. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 13:24:47 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11075 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11074 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23494 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WSLJa08074; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:06:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <53fa9099.36decbb1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:06:41 EST To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Suggestions? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 why don't you just carry it with you and then stick it in between the tank and the seat - at least on my bike there's a little kind of slit there... but don't actually stick it ON anything In a message dated 3/4/99 9:33:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX writes: > Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely > ruining my bike? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 13:34:31 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11250 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04885 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:34:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <001301be666a$4d477dd0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > Another wayward subscriber, come to tell us goodbye. > Please refer to http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/dc-cycles/ > Bookmark it, remember it, use it. But isn't www.dc-cycles.org more kosher, and newer? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 14:03:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11862 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA32471; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:59:31 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304190233.ESLM26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:02:33 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:00:39 -0500 Message-ID: <001501be6671$4b6ec200$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Fine. Either way works. Harry needs to take down the old one, unless he's got some reason to keep it out there. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:34 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: unsubscribe > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > Another wayward subscriber, come to tell us goodbye. > > Please refer to http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/dc-cycles/ > > Bookmark it, remember it, use it. > > But isn't www.dc-cycles.org more kosher, and newer? > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 14:39:04 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12583 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:39:01 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA12611; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:40:41 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmab25945; Thu, 4 Mar 99 14:12:26 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F830084G3WB5H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672A.0068E735 ; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:05:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:21:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Winter Wonderland.. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <8525672A.00689929.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Interesting. Last week (on a trip to Atlanta) we got caught in heavy ice/snow going through Charlotte. It was falling as snow, but turning to ice on the faceshield and on the front of the jacket. Entire front of the bike, including the headlight was covered in ice/snow, and we had to stop and knock it off every so often. We decided to continue on because the roads were slushy, but not slick, and I knew that if we stopped the water would freeze, and we wouldn't get outta there for a day or so. --chris PS. I learned that my glove covers had a hole in them and that Widder gloves are NOT waterproof! However, they do work even when soaked through. It was wierd to be riding in 33 deg weather with my hands immersed in electrically warmed water ... To: 'dc' cc: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Date: 03/04/99 01:05:08 PM GMT Subject: Winter Wonderland.. Whee, you just have to love riding at times when you can't hardly see for all the snow plastered to your visor.. Yes, people, I did have the fortune of riding again today (funny, those long term weather forecasts were right?? *chuckle*)... Did any of the other 'usuals' decide to endure the looks of astonishment from cagers? To be honest, I didn't even have the ability to see what the other people on the road were looking at me like.. It was only upon arriving at work did people start to look at me a little weird (not to bad, they know what I'm like)... Cheers everyone... :) Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 14:41:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12606 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12502 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28556 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:41:22 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA13882; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:42:29 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa27534; Thu, 4 Mar 99 14:14:55 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F83004R03XQJJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672A.006900E3 ; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:06:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:45:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Suggestions? To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525672A.00689A22.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL A couple of flexible refrigerator magnets? One of those magnetic clear map pockets (would have other uses). Tuck it into a tank bra? A piece of rope/string running from handle bar to handle bar that held it over the tank? A binder clip that holds it to the flap over the keyhole for your gas cap? Of course these are not "secure" ways to mount it ... --chris To: cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Date: 03/04/99 02:20:21 PM GMT Subject: Suggestions? Ok, I go to GMU one night a week for classes and usually take the bike. The problem is, they gave me this HUGE UGLY green sticker for parking and on the instructions it says, "for motorcycles, simply put on your tank." YEAH, RIGHT!! Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely ruining my bike? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 15:16:46 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13373 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id zMSa026924; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:15:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1bbe40bb.36dee9ff@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:15:59 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I will be in the UK for two weeks, so it seemed like a good idea. Sorry to upset you so much over such a little thing. You must really get crazy over important stuff Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 15:35:33 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13790 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10Ieoz-0001Q0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:34:17 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24515 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NHZ6S>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:40:15 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7EF@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'dc'" Subject: Plan a ride for me please. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:40:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok I need someone to suggest a good weekend getaway for me and my wife. We will be riding on my VFR and my wife can handle about 300 miles of riding in a day (maybe less). The destination is not as important as the journey (as is the case with most rides). I would imagine that we would head out Saturday morning, stay overnight somewhere and arrive back home sometime early Sunday evening. Most of the riding we have done has been down south or into West Virginia so I would like to go up North for a change but would welcome any suggestions. It would be nice if we did have a specific "site to see" but again thats second to a good ride. I am thinking that some of you guys might have favorite rides/destinations that you wouldnt mind sharing. Thanks for the help, Im trying to plan my spring activities early. Dave From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 15:41:11 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13864 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA31311; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:40:05 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990304204029.FHKN26495@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:40:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: RE: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:38:35 -0500 Message-ID: <002501be667e$f9977e00$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <1bbe40bb.36dee9ff@aol.com> Not upset. Just tired of all the unsubscribes that come across the list. This isn't the only list guilty of it either. You DO know that to unsubscribe you need to send your request to an administrator, right? Sending it to all of us gets you nowhere. You might as well type "ignore me"! I was suggesting that you, and everybody else too, keep the administrivia at hand so you don't bumble into the fog..."Hey everyone, unsubscribe me"...duh. Once again: http://www.dc-cycles.org/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ New, and Updated (and Kosher, according to Kirk) :) Todd > > I will be in the UK for two weeks, so it seemed like a good idea. Sorry to > upset you so much over such a little thing. You must really get crazy over > important stuff > Bob > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 15:44:58 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13959 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.51.204] (207-172-51-204.s204.tnt16.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.51.204]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04578 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:48:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903042048.PAA04578@smtp2.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:44:31 -0500 Subject: Valkyrie From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: "dc-cycles" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a friend who has been riding a PC800 for a while. Last year put a deposit on a HD, not ude for a few more months. I recently gave him a copy of MCN to look at, not realzing that it was the issue with a cruiser comparo. Now he is thinking about a Valkyrie instead (MCN loved it, HD came in fourth). Anybody got one? Like it? General comments from the peanut gallery. Having never ridden a cruiser, never mind owned one (I'm on my third VFR), I don't know what to tell him. He is looking for guidance. Thanks in advance, Charles Rosen From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 15:59:55 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14312 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:59:52 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA27820; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:59:11 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa21288; Thu, 4 Mar 99 15:48:21 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8300LM38FEM1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672A.0071E0FE ; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:43:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:15:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Suggestions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525672A.006F68D3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL The flexible refrigerator magnet idea seems like the best one. You can get some of these from Domino's Pizza, by the way. Just apply the sticker onto the front of one (or two if one's not large enough), and you'd have a perfect way of attaching it to your tank and making it easily removable. I doubt you'd have a theft problem, since (1) the sticker is designated for motorcycles - not many of those, and (2) if you trim the magnet to size, from a short distance it will appear as if the sticker's been applied directly to the motorcycle. Chris Weaver Chris Meier wrote: A couple of flexible refrigerator magnets? (snip) Of course these are not "secure" ways to mount it ... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 17:43:27 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16340 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA08622; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:42:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-61.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.189) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008373; Thu Mar 4 16:41:08 1999 Message-ID: <000d01be668f$da088320$bd5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "David Cross" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: Plan a ride for me please. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:39:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Two suggestions, First off pick up Dale Coyners Motorcycle Journeys = through the Appalachians ISBN # 1-884313-02-7, It has lots of day and = wekkend trips along the Mid-Atlantic. =20 Next, I am not sure where exactly you live, but I love day and overnites = up to Gettysburg PA. As the weather warms, the parks are great, there = are great Restaraunts in the area, and wonderful roads in the area. You = could also try Berekeley Springs WV, Right up Rt522 from Winchester, up = to Deep Creek... This arae is rich in riding destinations, Just pick = direction and ride. Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: David Cross To: 'dc' Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:44 PM Subject: Plan a ride for me please. >Ok I need someone to suggest a good weekend getaway for me and my wife. >We will be riding on my VFR and my wife can handle about 300 miles of >riding in a day (maybe less). The destination is not as important as >the journey (as is the case with most rides). I would imagine that we >would head out Saturday morning, stay overnight somewhere and arrive >back home sometime early Sunday evening. Most of the riding we have >done has been down south or into West Virginia so I would like to go up >North for a change but would welcome any suggestions. It would be = nice >if we did have a specific "site to see" but again thats second to a = good >ride. =20 > >I am thinking that some of you guys might have favorite >rides/destinations that you wouldnt mind sharing. Thanks for the help, >Im trying to plan my spring activities early. > >Dave > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 17:48:11 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16447 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA09622; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:47:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-61.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.189) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009344; Thu Mar 4 16:44:41 1999 Message-ID: <001c01be6690$58990660$bd5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "Charles L. Rosen" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Valkyrie Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:42:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I got to test ride one, and I must admit, it was GREAT!!, At first it = seems so Big and intimidating, at least to me at 5'6" but once your on = the thing,its as comfortable as a lounge chair and low enough to = maneuver with ease. Did not feel top heavy at all. If I was looking = for a cruiser/tourer I would seriously consider it. The only thing I = would want is either a model with a windshield or an aftermarket = windshield for highway cruising, because you are left hanging out in the = breeze. Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Charles L. Rosen To: dc-cycles Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:52 PM Subject: Valkyrie >I have a friend who has been riding a PC800 for a while. Last year put = a >deposit on a HD, not ude for a few more months. I recently gave him a = copy >of MCN to look at, not realzing that it was the issue with a cruiser >comparo. Now he is thinking about a Valkyrie instead (MCN loved it, HD = came >in fourth). Anybody got one? Like it? General comments from the = peanut >gallery. Having never ridden a cruiser, never mind owned one (I'm on = my >third VFR), I don't know what to tell him. He is looking for guidance. >Thanks in advance, >Charles Rosen > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 19:30:24 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18324 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10IiUT-0007CU-00; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:29:21 -0500 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA24066; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:30:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003501be669f$746ebc40$afc809c0@jay> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:31:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 When I registered my bike in the communist-wealth of VA, I didn't really want to put stickers all over it. I actually found a little metal plate for sale at *cough, cough* Coleman's which bolted to the bottom of your license plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). Anyway, if they still sell them, it was only about $3. Makes it real easy. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 21:20:16 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA20118 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:20:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990305022408.11535.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [151.200.123.6] by web307.yahoomail.com; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 18:24:08 PST Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Suggestions? To: "Jay St. Peter" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I went to Colemans this afternoon to ask about it. They don't sell them anymore because they are illegal in Virginia (because they are removable) Louis ---"Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > When I registered my bike in the communist-wealth of VA, I didn't really > want to put stickers all over it. I actually found a little metal plate for > sale at *cough, cough* Coleman's which bolted to the bottom of your license > plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote > me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). > Anyway, if they still sell them, it was only about $3. Makes it real easy. > > Jay St. Peter > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 21:27:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20235 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18396 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07522 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:27:18 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vOBEa16609 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:24:55 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <4c6caa70.36df4077@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:24:55 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Newly installed BC800 & Rump Lights Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Rump lights? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 23:09:13 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22045 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-7.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.48]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA05732 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: <029201be66bd$77910f40$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:05:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 If theft is a worry, and risk is not -- a color xerox of the sticker with or without a "contact this *telno*" or some such. Could be worth a try for non-govt situations though might attract flack. Or could keep the copy for emergencies. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Averse to sticker shock of all kinds Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX >Any suggestions on how I could mount this damn sticker without completely >ruining my bike? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 23:09:57 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22065 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA18987 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:12:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:12:09 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: "'dc'" Subject: introduction Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there, I'm new to the list and just wanted to introduce myslef briefly: my name is Erik and I am grad student at GW. I bide my time riding a crusty old CX500, which has the benefit of low desirability to thieves in the DC area. I got my motorcycling start riding through Vietnam on a Soviet built bike on a semester abroad as an undergrad. At the moment I am looking to buy a good used KLR650 dual sport bike, but am in no particular rush given monetary constraints (something I'm sure none of you have ever exerienced, right?). In any case, my webpage offers an abbriviated account of my journeys in Vietnam, with more pictures than text, which some people tell me me is acutally more to the point. You can find it at: http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig Anyway, I'll stop clogging the list now. Been lurking for two days now and can't say I don't enjoy it. All the best, Erik. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 4 23:33:31 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22469 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.25]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:25:03 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Erik Schelzig" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: introduction Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:26:17 -0500 Message-ID: <010a01be66c0$4fba0e60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Anyway, I'll stop clogging the list now. Been lurking for two days now >and can't say I don't enjoy it. All the best, Give us time. One of us will piss you off sooner or later. ;) Welcome. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 00:15:26 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23234 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA23230; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:12:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000c01be66c7$7ac4de80$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Erik Schelzig" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: introduction Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:17:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Welcome to the list Erik! -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Erik Schelzig To: 'dc' Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:25 PM Subject: introduction >Hi there, > >I'm new to the list and just wanted to introduce myslef briefly: my name >is Erik and I am grad student at GW. I bide my time riding a crusty old >CX500, which has the benefit of low desirability to thieves in the DC >area. I got my motorcycling start riding through Vietnam on a Soviet >built bike on a semester abroad as an undergrad. At the moment I am >looking to buy a good used KLR650 dual sport bike, but am in no particular >rush given monetary constraints (something I'm sure none of you have ever >exerienced, right?). In any case, my webpage offers an abbriviated >account of my journeys in Vietnam, with more pictures than text, which >some people tell me me is acutally more to the point. You can find it at: > >http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig > >Anyway, I'll stop clogging the list now. Been lurking for two days now >and can't say I don't enjoy it. All the best, > >Erik. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 01:56:57 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA24838 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id BAA00489 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:56:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:56:34 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Valkyrie In-Reply-To: <001c01be6690$58990660$bd5e23c7@uspppshephar1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The 'Valkyrie Interstate' comes with a touring winshield and mounted hard-bags... Saw a picture of it, it's sorta half way between the Valk and the Goldwing from which it was derived. - Brian On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Ken wrote: > If I was looking for a cruiser/tourer I would seriously consider it. > The only thing I would want is either a model with a windshield or an > aftermarket windshield for highway cruising, because you are left > hanging out in the breeze. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 04:34:13 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA28847 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 04:34:12 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id xHGTa23612; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 04:33:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 04:33:21 EST To: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Plan a ride for me please. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Check out Falling Waters. Its a house designed by Frank Lloyd Wright in sout central PA! Great ride early n the spring-to many tourists later. House is stunning. Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 07:07:55 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01317 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:06:03 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263E9E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:06:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) You can buy these plates at the Harley dealer in Fort Washington, MD. I picked mine up for the VFR back in November. Mine is stainless steel and ran about $15. Glenn >I went to Colemans this afternoon to ask about it. They don't sell >them anymore because they are illegal in Virginia (because they are >removable) > > When I registered my bike in the communist-wealth of VA, I didn't really > want to put stickers all over it. I actually found a little metal plate for > sale at *cough, cough* Coleman's which bolted to the bottom of your license > plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote > me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). > Anyway, if they still sell them, it was only about $3. Makes it real easy. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 07:12:02 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01331 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263E9F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: introduction Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:10:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) What a great way to encourage a new list member! Welcome Erik. Be sure to stick around long enough for one of the DC Cycles parties. Glenn >Anyway, I'll stop clogging the list now. Been lurking for two days now >and can't say I don't enjoy it. All the best, >Give us time. One of us will piss you off sooner or later. ;) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 07:19:09 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01494 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s28.wizard.net [206.161.15.58]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA15963 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:19:06 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Bikenapping? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:21:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be6702$b9dcbf80$3a0fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Cop Accused Of Motorcycle Ransom - (BRIDGEPORT) -- A Bridgeport police officer has been suspended without pay on charges he stole motorcycles... and then held them for ransom. Investigators say 27-year-old Elias Delarosa could face other charges besides the larceny and extortion counts already brought against him. Delarosa was released without bail. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 08:55:39 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02919 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A24A4810282; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:55:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990305083021.01906bf0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:46:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Inspection Stickers Location [was: Suggestions?] In-Reply-To: <19990305022408.11535.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 09:24 PM 3/4/99 , Louis F. Caplan wrote: >I went to Colemans this afternoon to ask about it. They don't sell >them anymore because they are illegal in Virginia (because they are >removable) Did they actually refer to a specific law? All this sounds fishy to me. I searched through the VA laws online (http://leg1.state.va.us/) and found nothing about displaying stickers on a "removable" plate. Windshields are okay, and they're removable! Attaching a sticker to the paintwork of a motorcycle is as unaccepatable as attaching it to the paintwork of a car. Anyway, =A7 46.2-1163 says the sticker on a windshield-less vehicle shall be placed "in a location designated by the Superintendent.", but I doubt there is one specific location specified for motorcycles, though the left front fork leg is the most common (note - fork legs are covered by fenders on some bikes). =A7 46.2-1164 says you can get a replacement inspection sticker by showing your receipt (the pink carbon copy). This illustrates that the receipt shows ownership and valid inspection, not the sticker itself. =A7 46.2-1173 says it's illegal to display an inspection sticker issued to another vehicle. If an officer suspects you of doing that, then he/she has to prove the sticker is not for your vehicle (the most common way of doing that would be to ask for the pink receipt - I've had to show that (for a car) if the inspection sticker looks like it's been transferred from another windshield. All that said, I think placing the sticker(s) on a professional-looking plate, that looks non-removable if possible, and placed on the side of the bike, is probably the best bet. (The side of the bike so it's not up by the license plate drawing attention). And always carry your receipt. Any other experiences out there? Chris Norloff ----------------------------------------------- =A7 46.2-1163=20 Official inspection stations; safety inspection approval stickers; actions of Superintendent subject to the Administrative Process Act=20 "..There also shall be placed on the windshield of the vehicle at a place to be designated by the Superintendent an approval sticker furnished by the Department of State Police. If any vehicle is not equipped with a windshield, the approval sticker shall be placed on the vehicle in a location designated by the Superintendent. This sticker shall be displayed on the windshield of such vehicle or at such other designated place upon the vehicle at all times when it is operated on the highways in the Commonwealth and until such time as a new inspection period shall be designated and a new inspection sticker issued...." ------------------------------------------------- =A7 46.2-1164=20 Reinspection not required when windshield replaced; transfer of inspection sticker to new windshield; replacement of lost or damaged stickers=20 ... The Superintendent may designate certain State Police officers to issue safety inspection approval stickers to vehicles from which the original valid safety inspection approval sticker has been lost, stolen or damaged without causing the vehicle to be reinspected, provided the vehicle owner or operator produces the original safety inspection approval sticker receipt issued to the vehicle within the past eleven months.... ------------------------------------------------ =A7 46.2-1173=20 Imitation or counterfeit inspection stickers=20 ... No person shall display or cause or permit to be displayed upon any vehicle any safety inspection sticker knowing it to be fictitious or issued for another vehicle.=20 ----------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 08:55:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02918 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A2494810282; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:55:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990305082319.01905f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:25:44 -0500 To: , jay.stpeter@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <003501be669f$746ebc40$afc809c0@jay> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:31 PM 3/4/99 , Jay St. Peter wrote: >When I registered my bike in the communist-wealth of VA, I didn't really >want to put stickers all over it. I actually found a little metal plate for >sale at *cough, cough* Coleman's which bolted to the bottom of your license >plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote >me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). Really? What was the specific charge? Did they stop you for the stickers, or was this an "attitude stop"? Did they tell you how to display the stickers on a bike with out defacing it? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 09:38:03 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03835 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10Ivil-00077s-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:36:59 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28887 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NH5AK>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:43:02 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7F3@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:42:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > At 07:31 PM 3/4/99 , Jay St. Peter wrote: > >When I registered my bike in the communist-wealth of VA, I > didn't really > >want to put stickers all over it. I actually found a little > metal plate for > >sale at *cough, cough* Coleman's which bolted to the bottom > of your license > >plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until > the cops wrote > >me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). I guess the thinking is that if you have stickers on a removable plate, and you have multiple motorcycles you would really only need one set of stickers. Just transfer them form bike to bike depending on what you ride that day. Dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 09:44:08 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03931 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:44:05 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA24981; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:45:10 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024779; Fri, 5 Mar 99 09:44:17 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8400AZCMAKUO@XXXXXX>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672B.0050ADF5 ; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:40:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:36:38 -0500 Subject: RE: Suggestions? To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525672B.00505BE1.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It's my understanding that the law says to mount the stickers to the left fork leg. I wouldn't really consider this "defacement" of the moto*, but I can see how it might seem that way to some. The law about non-removable stickers is presumably so that you won't be able to use the same stickers for multiple bikes, thus avoiding your tax responsibility. Chris Weaver * anything that serves to cover up a part of my bike probably improves its appearance. =^) From: Chris Norloff Really? What was the specific charge? Did they stop you for the stickers, or was this an "attitude stop"? Did they tell you how to display the stickers on a bike with out defacing it? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 10:17:27 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04495 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10IwKt-0000eY-00; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:16:23 -0500 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09920; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:17:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701be671b$61129be0$afc809c0@jay> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:18:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 The charge was something like improper display of stickers. They don't allow stickers on an easily removable part, like a plate bolted to your license plate. It was one of those tickets that you can take care of by just showing the officer that you've moved the stickers. Oddly enough that was all I was pulled over for (although that was my 3rd time that month because I didn't realize all the sticker laws in Va., got pulled in both cages and the bike -- thought I was golden on the bike) Jay St. Peter >>plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote >>me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). > > >Really? What was the specific charge? Did they stop you for the stickers, >or was this an "attitude stop"? Did they tell you how to display the >stickers on a bike with out defacing it? > >thanks, >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 10:28:00 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04687 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA08050; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:26:05 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990305152642.RJYG1437@toddnt>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:26:42 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Erik Schelzig" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: introduction Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:24:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be671c$489d34c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Anyway, I'll stop clogging the list now. Been lurking for two days now > and can't say I don't enjoy it. All the best, > > Erik. Welcome in Erik, and congratz on your new daughter. This isn't your typical oil/tire moto-list but we do get into the helmet/gun control issues fairly frequently =:0 Stick around and participate. Love to have a political scientists point of view on some of these crazy threads we have. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 10:41:23 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04870 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB1E6D3028A; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:41:18 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990305104035.01917190@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:43:27 -0500 To: "Jay St. Peter" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <001701be671b$61129be0$afc809c0@jay> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:18 AM 3/5/99 , Jay St. Peter wrote: >The charge was something like improper display of stickers. They don't >allow stickers on an easily removable part, like a plate bolted to your >license plate. It was one of those tickets that you can take care of by >just showing the officer that you've moved the stickers. Oddly enough that >was all I was pulled over for... Thanks. I'd sure like to know the actual law they use, I'll have to ask the next LEO I see. "Improper display" sounds like a catch-all to be used when they don't have something specific. I can see the point about not having the stickers easily transferrable to another vehicle, and I also see the point about not defacing the paint on a bike. I guess it comes down to displaying the stickers in a discreet manner, and who has the responsibility here-- us to display them in a permanent manner, or the officer to check if you're trying to get away with something. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 10:56:11 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05146 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA00690 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:55:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection Stickers Location [was: Suggestions?] In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990305083021.01906bf0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I agree - where they put the sticker on my YZF (left front fork) is basically non-visable because it's blocked by the fairing. It's quite possibly the dumbest location they could have chosen, but it was there when I bought the bike. I just got a new Harley, but purchased it in MD. I'm going to get it inspected this week and also am planning on getting one of the plates from Fort Wash HD.=20 - Brian On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Did they actually refer to a specific law? >=20 > Anyway, =A7 46.2-1163 says the sticker on a windshield-less vehicle shall= be > placed "in a location designated by the Superintendent.", but I doubt the= re > is one specific location specified for motorcycles, though the left front > fork leg is the most common (note - fork legs are covered by fenders on > some bikes). >=20 > =A7 46.2-1164 says you can get a replacement inspection sticker by showin= g > your receipt (the pink carbon copy). This illustrates that the receipt > shows ownership and valid inspection, not the sticker itself. >=20 > =A7 46.2-1173 says it's illegal to display an inspection sticker issued t= o > another vehicle. If an officer suspects you of doing that, then he/she h= as > to prove the sticker is not for your vehicle (the most common way of doin= g > that would be to ask for the pink receipt - I've had to show that (for a > car) if the inspection sticker looks like it's been transferred from > another windshield. >=20 > All that said, I think placing the sticker(s) on a professional-looking > plate, that looks non-removable if possible, and placed on the side of th= e > bike, is probably the best bet. (The side of the bike so it's not up by > the license plate drawing attention). And always carry your receipt. >=20 > Any other experiences out there? >=20 > Chris Norloff >=20 >=20 > ----------------------------------------------- > =A7 46.2-1163=20 > Official inspection stations; safety inspection approval stickers; action= s > of Superintendent subject to the Administrative Process Act=20 >=20 > "..There also shall be placed on the windshield of the vehicle at a place > to be designated by the Superintendent an approval sticker furnished by t= he > Department of State Police. If any vehicle is not equipped with a > windshield, the approval sticker shall be placed on the vehicle in a > location designated by the Superintendent. This sticker shall be displaye= d > on the windshield of such vehicle or at such other designated place upon > the vehicle at all times when it is operated on the highways in the > Commonwealth and until such time as a new inspection period shall be > designated and a new inspection sticker issued...." > ------------------------------------------------- > =A7 46.2-1164=20 > Reinspection not required when windshield replaced; transfer of inspectio= n > sticker to new windshield; replacement of lost or damaged > stickers=20 > ... > The Superintendent may designate certain State Police officers to issue > safety inspection approval stickers to vehicles from which the original > valid safety inspection approval sticker has been lost, stolen or damaged > without causing the vehicle to be reinspected, provided the vehicle owner > or operator produces the original safety inspection approval sticker > receipt issued to the vehicle within the > past eleven months.... > ------------------------------------------------ > =A7 46.2-1173=20 > Imitation or counterfeit inspection stickers=20 > ... > No person shall display or cause or permit to be displayed upon any vehic= le > any safety inspection sticker knowing it to be fictitious or issued for > another vehicle.=20 > ----------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 11:41:18 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06043 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10558 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:40:17 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10168EB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Another Bonus from Erebuni Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:40:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Since we've had a lot of new listers subscribe recently that might not have heard of this offer, I'm forwarding it again... It is for real... I've gotten several issues of each magazine so far... Enjoy Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX [SMTP:ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 11:36 AM > Subject: Another Bonus from Erebuni > > Dear Loyal Visitor: > > At Erebuni, we really appreciate your involvement with our site, and are > delighted you've taken advantage of our Motor Trend Magazine Bonus.... > > We've now arranged for you to receive a FREE one year (12 issues), fully > paid > subscription to Motorcyclist Magazine. This subscription has been > purchased > by Erebuni, and is absolutely no cost to you. > > To receive your free subscription, please fill out the required > information at > this private URL: > > http://www.sungift.com/erebunimotorcyclist > > Your first issue will arrive in six to ten weeks. But, don't delay -- > this > URL and offer will be inactive after March 15. > > Thanks again for your continued patronage. Please continue to visit our > site, > and enjoy the magazine! > > Your friends @ Erebuni > http://www.erebuni.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 12:46:51 1999 Return-Path: riders@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07393 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (209-122-214-123.s377.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.123]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27498; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C5B904.242A@erols.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 12:40:20 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Suggestions? References: <001701be671b$61129be0$afc809c0@jay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I have had a couple of LE people tell me that the way mine are displayed is the way they should be done. Everything visible from the rear!! Jay St. Peter wrote: > > The charge was something like improper display of stickers. They don't > allow stickers on an easily removable part, like a plate bolted to your > license plate. It was one of those tickets that you can take care of by > just showing the officer that you've moved the stickers. Oddly enough that > was all I was pulled over for (although that was my 3rd time that month > because I didn't realize all the sticker laws in Va., got pulled in both > cages and the bike -- thought I was golden on the bike) > > Jay St. Peter > > >>plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until the cops wrote > >>me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). > > > > > >Really? What was the specific charge? Did they stop you for the stickers, > >or was this an "attitude stop"? Did they tell you how to display the > >stickers on a bike with out defacing it? > > > >thanks, > >Chris Norloff > > > > > > > > -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 14:00:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08892 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA16471; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:59:36 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990305190014.SPPL1437@toddnt>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:00:14 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Another Bonus from Erebuni Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01be673a$1c321180$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10168EB@MSCEX> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal How long does this take Collin? I signed up for both Motorcyclist and Motortrend, back before Christmas. Todd > Since we've had a lot of new listers subscribe recently that > might not have > heard of this offer, I'm forwarding it again... > It is for real... I've gotten several issues of each magazine so far... > Enjoy > Collin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX [SMTP:ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 11:36 AM > > Subject: Another Bonus from Erebuni > > > > Dear Loyal Visitor: > > > > http://www.sungift.com/erebunimotorcyclist > > Your friends @ Erebuni > > http://www.erebuni.net > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 14:24:21 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09416 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF6145E027C; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:24:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990305131121.0191b630@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:15:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <36C5B904.242A@erols.com> References: <001701be671b$61129be0$afc809c0@jay> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I >have had a couple of LE people tell me that the way mine are displayed >is the way they should be done. Everything visible from the rear!! That makes sense. And it's funny that LEO's said yours was good but ticketed Jay. Somedays you get the elevator and somedays you get the shaft. Jay brought up the interesting point that license plates are not required to be permanently mounted! A screwdriver is all it takes for many. So why is an inspection sticker more important than a license plate? Mine is held on with wingnuts (those little reflector-buttons) and I guess is quicker to remove than getting out a wrench to unbolt the inspection sticker plate. (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep them). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 14:30:50 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09614 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA27156; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:30:15 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990305193027.STPE1437@toddnt>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:30:27 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Art Crow" , "Jay St. Peter" Cc: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:28:22 -0500 Message-ID: <002801be673e$54d808b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <36C5B904.242A@erols.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal This actually brings up a good point. If a plate behind the license plate is so easy to remove, the license plate is just as easy to remove, right? If I had this set-up, or variation of it, I'd have to take the day off from work to fight the ticket and pretty much point all this out to the cops and court. Then pay my fine :) Todd > > Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I > have had a couple of LE people tell me that the way mine are displayed > is the way they should be done. Everything visible from the rear!! > > > Jay St. Peter wrote: > > > > The charge was something like improper display of stickers. They don't > > allow stickers on an easily removable part, like a plate bolted to your > > license plate. It was one of those tickets that you can take care of by > > just showing the officer that you've moved the stickers. Oddly > enough that > > was all I was pulled over for (although that was my 3rd time that month > > because I didn't realize all the sticker laws in Va., got pulled in both > > cages and the bike -- thought I was golden on the bike) > > > > Jay St. Peter > > > > >>plate with room for stickers. It worked really well (until > the cops wrote > > >>me up for having all my stickers mounted to a removable plate). > > > > > > > > >Really? What was the specific charge? Did they stop you for > the stickers, > > >or was this an "attitude stop"? Did they tell you how to display the > > >stickers on a bike with out defacing it? > > > > > >thanks, > > >Chris Norloff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Art Crow > 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" > 1996 JRT, "Higgins" > 1998 JRT, "Diva" > "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is > better." > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 16:09:50 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11530 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10J1pt-0002kL-00; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:08:45 -0500 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24029; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:09:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006901be674c$9b65d470$afc809c0@jay> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Todd Peer" , "Art Crow" Cc: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:10:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I actually pointed that out to the officer. He was not entirely amused. It was the kind of ticket that you don't really have to fight or pay. You just have to fix it and go by the station to show the officer. I'd have probably gone to court if there was money involved. I always do, just to cost them something for my financial loss. I usually lose, but I argue my point until the judge gets really annoyed :) Todd Wrote: >This actually brings up a good point. If a plate behind the license plate >is so easy to remove, the license plate is just as easy to remove, right? > >If I had this set-up, or variation of it, I'd have to take the day off from >work to fight the ticket and pretty much point all this out to the cops and >court. Then pay my fine :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 16:18:12 1999 Return-Path: ewinslow@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11696 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (ewinslow@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09002; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:18:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Winslow To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990305131121.0191b630@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: > >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I > > (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've > been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep them). > > Chris Norloff > So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done exactly? Eric '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 16:54:48 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12336 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from My ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA02443; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:56:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199903052256.RAA02443@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: Eric Winslow Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:54:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Suggestions? CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <4.1.19990305131121.0191b630@mail.toward.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Eric, They are really simple to use, but you need to buy the Pop-rivit gun and the rivits to go with it. You can find one at any good hardware store. They are fairly cheap, and really handy if you do anything with sheet metal. It works by enlarging one side of the rivit wider than the hole it is inserted in, effectively squeezing the two pieces of metal together. Go out and get one- they are alot of fun! -John Newman 88 FZR 400 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: > >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I > > (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've > been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep them). > > Chris Norloff > So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done exactly? Eric '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 17:05:29 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12614 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D4YTSB4N; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:04:11 EST To: ewinslow@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suggestions? Message-ID: <19990301.163900.5159.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,9-12,14,16-20 From: Bikes R Us Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:04:11 EST With a rivet gun... Okay. Sorry. Someone was going to say it, so it might as well have been me. You can buy a riveting tool at Hechinger or Home Despot for only a little money. Somebody you know might have one, though. Ask around. I've seen a wide variety of custom (read: homemade) sticker plates on bikes at places like GMU when I've visited there. Most of them were mounted down at the bottom of the front fork or on or near the swingarm or chain cover, as I recall. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:18:05 -0500 (EST) Eric Winslow writes: >So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done exactly? > >Eric >'93 GS500E >1-800-AMA-JOIN ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 18:59:19 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14566 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:59:17 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DCVGa26212; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:57:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:57:11 EST To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Plan a ride for me please. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/5/99 4:40:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, McKeithen@XXXXXX writes: << Check out Falling Waters. Its a house designed by Frank Lloyd Wright in sout central PA! Great ride early n the spring-to many tourists later. House is stunning. Bob >> I agree. My folks live about 40-50 miles from there and it's on my route home from DC to PA. It is a site to see. Even better surrounded by snow. Which is something PA has this week, 2'-3' of it in the mountains. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 5 19:30:18 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15164 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (207-172-121-220.s220.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.121.220]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29952 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:30:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701be6832$0d5e7420$dc79accf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Damons Sunday Night Called Off Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:32:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6808.2327F1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6808.2327F1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please disregard my previous post re: meeting at Damons in Woodbridge on = Sunday to watch the Daytona 200. I have accepted an invitation from a = buddy of mine who is a salesman at Coleman's to watch the race at his = house. I hope I did not cause anyone any inconvenience. Have fun = watching the race! Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6808.2327F1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please disregard my previous post = re: meeting at=20 Damons in Woodbridge on Sunday to watch the Daytona 200.  I have = accepted=20 an invitation from a buddy of mine who is a salesman at Coleman's to = watch the=20 race at his house.  I hope I did not cause anyone any = inconvenience. =20 Have fun watching the race!
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6808.2327F1C0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 01:31:07 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21284 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18027; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA15748; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA05078; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:22:27 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36E0C9A2.9695AD43@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 01:22:26 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbr-digest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: BC800 WS Measurement??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow Pilots, I installed my BC800 last week & I've noticed that the BC is always 3-4 mph slower than the stock mounted speedo. This is to be expected. My question is regarding the wheel size measurement process. The instructions that came with this product says that you should measure the height of the wheel, convert to mm, multiply by 3.14 & divide by 1.61. So this is what I came up with. The wheel height was 23.5 inches. Converting to mm, 23.5 x 25.4 = 596.9 x 3.14 = 1874.27 / 1.61 = 1164. At the time, I was not very confident with my results. So I toook my bicycle (Trek hybrid), used the dimensions that are imprinted on the wall of the tire, used the scale table that's included with the directions to see what the manufacturer came up with & then I followed the same directions mentioned above on my bicycle & compared the scale table measurement to my manual process & came pretty close to the manufacturers results. The web page (www.sportbikes.com/bc700.htm) that documents the process of installing one of these babies does an excellent job of describing how to do it although to me, it was a waste of time because it's so simple to install. What confused me is the way he measures the front tires circumference & then mutiplies by .03937 & that's all he does. No multiplication of 3.14 & no division of 1.61. Hmmm. I tried this procedure today & the numbers were very different from what I came up with. I understand why he didn't multiply by 3.14 because I did a height measurement I had to multiply bye 3.14, whereas if you measure the circumference, this is not necessary. But I don't know why he didn't divide by 1.61. Has anyone compared the instructions from the manufacturer to the instructions on the web page & found different results? Thanks, DJ "Change is invetible, survival is optional" From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 01:39:08 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21395 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20781; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA15914; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA05082; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:30:58 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36E0CBA2.B4468559@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 01:30:58 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbr-=digest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Baby Got New Shoes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bought "Charity" some new shoes today. Dunlop D207's. So far I like the way they roll, although without sufficient scrubbing & warm pavement, I won't be able see how well they really stick. I'm very paranoid about cold tires & cold streets. I found out the hard way that without heated tires & preferably warm streets, you run the risk of leaning all the way over & kissing the pavement. So I was taking curves like a (70) year old newbie on a Goldwing, damn near straight up. No offense senior citizens, but that's how I felt. Anyway, in a few weeks, things will start to warm up for good here in Maryland & then we'll see how these compare to the Metzler ME1's I used to buy. DJ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 09:44:56 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02041 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA15237; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:46:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01be67e0$83fbb900$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "djonesj" , , Subject: Re: Baby Got New Shoes Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:49:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Believe me... they are tons better at sticking to the road than the MEZs. I have used both MEZ1s and MEZ2s and the Dunlops are the best I've ever owned. You won't be sorry... -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: djonesj To: cbr-=digest@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 1:48 AM Subject: Baby Got New Shoes >Bought "Charity" some new shoes today. Dunlop D207's. So far I like the >way they roll, although without sufficient scrubbing & warm pavement, I >won't be able see how well they really stick. I'm very paranoid about >cold tires & cold streets. I found out the hard way that without heated >tires & preferably warm streets, you run the risk of leaning all the way >over & kissing the pavement. So I was taking curves like a (70) year old >newbie on a Goldwing, damn near straight up. No offense senior citizens, >but that's how I felt. Anyway, in a few weeks, things will start to warm >up for good here in Maryland & then we'll see how these compare to the >Metzler ME1's I used to buy. > >DJ > From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 10:47:22 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03019 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:47:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990306154811.10454.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.113.13] by web310.yahoomail.com; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 07:48:11 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:48:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: BC800 WS Measurement??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Hmmm... sounds like convertion problems somewhere..but also note that > he is describing the entry process for the 700, not the 800. They may > be slightly different. I didn't look too closely at the directions, > but I thought all you had to do was enter tire circumference in mm.... > Not sure where the 1.61 comes from... > > The number he used is simply 1/25.4 which is the same as your > multiplying the inches * 25.4. > > I believe someone on the list has the 700 model, maybe they can > comment on the directions listed for it.... again, I just can't figure > out what the 1.61 is...but hey... we all know how I am with converting > to metrics :) > Collin > > ---djonesj wrote: > > > The web page (www.sportbikes.com/bc700.htm) that documents the > process > > of installing one of these babies does an excellent job of describing > > how to do it although to me, it was a waste of time because it's so > > simple to install. What confused me is the way he measures the front > > tires circumference & then mutiplies by .03937 & that's all he does. > No > > multiplication of 3.14 & no division of 1.61. Hmmm. I tried this > > procedure today & the numbers were very different from what I came up > > with. I understand why he didn't multiply by 3.14 because I did a > height > > measurement I had to multiply bye 3.14, whereas if you measure the > > circumference, this is not necessary. But I don't know why he didn't > > divide by 1.61. > > > > Has anyone compared the instructions from the manufacturer to the > > instructions on the web page & found different results? > > > > Thanks, DJ > > > > "Change is invetible, survival is optional" > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 10:48:13 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03037 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:48:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990306154904.10513.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.113.13] by web310.yahoomail.com; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 07:49:04 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:49:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fwd: Re: Baby Got New Shoes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > You will notice the bike turn in a lot quicker with the dunlops. > Their triangular profile is a very different feel than the MEZ/Pirelli > rounded profiles. > > You'd be surprised at how well the tires warm up and handle, even on > cooler pavement... yesterday was actully quite nice, and I found > myself zipping everywhere awefully fast on the maxim and blowing the > rust off the ends of the pegs....I thought it was a bit funny that I > had to hang quite a ways off the bike just to take the corner at the > end of the street as fast as I wanted to ;-) > > Just watch your tire pressures and get them right for the temps, and > you should be able to ride fairly normal speeds.... > Collin > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 6 14:56:20 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.187]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06645 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:56:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990306200109.25087.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.113.13] by web305.yahoomail.com; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:01:09 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:01:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Another Bonus from Erebuni To: Todd Peer , "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It took a couple of months..... sounds like you should start getting them any day now... I got 3 at once (back to the date I signed up I think) the first time and then been getting them normal since... CT ---Todd Peer wrote: > > How long does this take Collin? I signed up for both Motorcyclist and > Motortrend, back before Christmas. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 7 10:06:01 1999 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24598 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:05:59 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2SQGa27991 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:05:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1fa61028.36e295ab@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:05:15 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: The World's Most Expensive Pizza Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sean and I shared pizza with Leon and Dale in Palm Coast, Florida Friday night. They were still thawing from the trip down, but otherwise seemed OK. They should be heading north as I type this. Happy Trails - Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 7 10:19:29 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24765 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12226 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:18:32 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.202]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990307151854.FCHP26537@[166.44.172.202]> for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:18:54 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: V65 Sabre Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:17:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be68ad$97275200$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sorry to post to all, but I seem to recall someone on DC-Cycles was looking for a Sabre. This looks like a pretty good deal, in IOWA. If you're interested, write to Rob P., not me. And let him know how you got the info too. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hsta@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-hsta@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Rob Parker > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 6:59 PM > To: Honda Sport Touring Association > Subject: V65 Sabre > > > I don't know if this is a good deal or not but it looked interesting to > me. A local dealer has very clean looking V65 Saber with 13k miles for > sale. He's asking $1750. If anyone here is interested, I will check into > it for you. > -- > Rob Parker > La Porte City Iowa > 93 ST1100P > STOC 218 > rob1@XXXXXX > "Is this Heaven?" "No, it's Iowa." > From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 7 12:21:43 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26606 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-199.s8.as4.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.199]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06398; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:21:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903071721.MAA06398@smtp3.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: , Subject: hot hissing battery Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:27:14 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings listers: I am the proud new daddy of a '99 VFR YEE HI! I was able to take it out for its first 100 miles yesterday and when I got home and turned it off, I heard a high pitched hissing sound coming from under the seat. I took my seat off and listened and found it was coming from the battery. I suppose it is gases leaking and I figured I would take the battery out and return it and get it replaced. I removed the battery connections and went to pull the battery out and it BURNED my fingers. It was so hot I had to let it sit and hiss for about 5 minutes before I could take it out. I don't remember ever touching a battery and it being to hot to touch. I am pretty sure I have a bad battery, but I thought I would get the list's opinion before I go in demanding (nicely of course:)) replacement. So what do you think? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 7 15:38:17 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.188]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29656 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:38:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990307204123.2221.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.113.13] by web306.yahoomail.com; Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:41:23 PST Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:41:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: hot hissing battery To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, your battery may very well be bad now, but I doubt it was the original culprit. It sounds very much like the voltage regulator is not doing its job properly, which, coincidentally, is a pretty common Honda fault, particularly on the VFR models. Strange to hear of somehting like that on a brand spanking new bike though.... I'd just ride it back to the dealer and let them take care of it... Collin ---"D. Thompson" wrote: I am pretty sure I > have a bad battery, but I thought I would get the list's opinion before I > go in demanding (nicely of course:)) replacement. So what do you think? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 7 18:49:05 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02737 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:49:04 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2HOMa22603 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:48:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:48:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: cherry blossom festival Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 know about this? what/when is it? any bike events related to this? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 07:56:46 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15787 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:56:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: SV650.. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:56:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) if anyone's interested in a write-up of a racers impression of the SV650.. let me know (it's long and I don't want to post it to the whole list) Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:08:15 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16013 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ABB737A0246; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:08:07 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308074848.018500f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 07:51:10 -0500 To: Eric Winslow From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Suggestions? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990305131121.0191b630@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: >> >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I >> >> (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've >> been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep >them). >> Chris Norloff >> >So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done >exactly? >Eric Buy a pop-rivet gun (cheap ones are $10-15), buy pop-rivets, insert pop-rivet into hole in license plate, use washers on each side if needed to keep the pop-rivet from pulling through, use the gun to pull the central mandrel of the rivet which causes the other end to mushroom (thus holding the rivet in place), then the mandrel breaks off making a satisfying "POP" sound. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:08:15 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16012 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ABB937A0246; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:08:09 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308075307.01817290@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 07:54:41 -0500 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:48 PM 3/7/99 , STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: >what/when is it? Celebrating the cherry tree blossoms around the Tidal Basin in DC. Sometime this spring. Of course, the cherry trees do not necessarily follow the scheduled events. :-) >any bike events related to this? Be a good idea to ride your bike there, so you have a chance at finding parking. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:18:52 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16213 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:19:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , Eric Winslow Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:19:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain And hope your state never changes its license plate. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:51 AM To: Eric Winslow Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suggestions? >> At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: >> >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I >> >> (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've >> been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep >them). >> Chris Norloff >> >So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done >exactly? >Eric Buy a pop-rivet gun (cheap ones are $10-15), buy pop-rivets, insert pop-rivet into hole in license plate, use washers on each side if needed to keep the pop-rivet from pulling through, use the gun to pull the central mandrel of the rivet which causes the other end to mushroom (thus holding the rivet in place), then the mandrel breaks off making a satisfying "POP" sound. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:23:30 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.187]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16301 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:23:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990308132827.4773.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web305.yahoomail.com; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 05:28:27 PST Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 05:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >what/when is it? > > Celebrating the cherry tree blossoms around the Tidal Basin in DC. > Sometime this spring. Of course, the cherry trees do not necessarily > follow the scheduled events. :-) They are so rude! :) The Parks department usually gives an estimate for when the blossoms will actually come out. So there are two popular times. The festival, and the actual blooming. > >any bike events related to this? > > Be a good idea to ride your bike there, so you have a chance at finding > parking. Also makes it easier to dodge clueless pedestrians who are looking at the trees and not the traffic. (speaking from experience here) Louis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:57:47 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16853 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A75616D01E8; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:57:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308090222.0182c4b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:05:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Scott Russell is a bone-head Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So, who watched the Daytona race yesterday? Miguell Duhamel won by a nose, after taking an early lead but then trading places with Mark Mladin (?) for many laps. And the pit stops were incredible! Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday and his face is too swollen to even get his helmet on. I have no idea what the details are, but he was supposed to ride the Harley Davidson -- I really wanted to see that! Harley didn't make much of a showing again, with Pascal Picotte out of the race fairly early. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 08:57:41 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16850 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A75016D01E8; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:57:36 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308085019.018190f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:52:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, pop-rivets are very easy to remove -- 5 seconds with a drill, even a battery-powered drill, and the head comes right off (easier with aluminum than with steel rivets, of course). As far as securing license plates, I figure the theif more likely carries a couple screwdrivers than a drill. Chris Norloff At 08:19 AM 3/8/99 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >And hope your state never changes its license plate. > >Mitch > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:51 AM >To: Eric Winslow >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Suggestions? > > >>> At 12:40 PM 2/13/99 , Art Crow wrote: >>> >Why not just pop rivet the sticker plate to the license plate? Oddly, I >>> >>> (Actually, after having a front license plate vanish off the truck, I've >>> been thinking about pop-riveting all my license plates on, just to keep >>them). >>> Chris Norloff >>> >>So, this pop-riveting sounds like a real good idea. How is this done >>exactly? >>Eric > > >Buy a pop-rivet gun (cheap ones are $10-15), buy pop-rivets, insert >pop-rivet into hole in license plate, use washers on each side if needed to >keep the pop-rivet from pulling through, use the gun to pull the central >mandrel of the rivet which causes the other end to mushroom (thus holding >the rivet in place), then the mandrel breaks off making a satisfying "POP" >sound. > >Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:13:11 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17128 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 06:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Scott Russell is a bone-head Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 06:12:45 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > > So, who watched the Daytona race yesterday? Miguell Duhamel > won by a nose, > after taking an early lead but then trading places with Mark > Mladin (?) for > many laps. And the pit stops were incredible! Actually, it's Mat Mladin.. and he deserved a win.. (that boy's always 2nd/3rd.. and typicaly turning the fastest laps.. but his forte is definatally twisty stuff, not horespower wars like Daytona). Still, Kudos to Miguel for doing it on a still healing leg leg (smashed himself up pretty good last season). > Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday > and his face is > too swollen to even get his helmet on. Same bar that Arron Yates had his fight in last year right before the 200 (Razzles). That's all that's been let out so far.. sucks to be them. Oh-well.. Other news of interest.. Eric Bostrom (Honda #2 rider) crashed Friday and broke his leg.. so both the Honda top guns have injured legs.. And what happened to all the other 'Top Guns' of the AMA? Gobert.. last I saw, he was like 12th.. Chandler.. I think he got lapped.. about the only time I saw him. funny thing about Daytona.. it is the worst representation of how things might go in the season because of it's legnth, and the type of track... but still fun to watch. Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:19:31 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17212 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id JAA22350 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id JAA22346 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id JAA02611 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id JAA02607 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:22:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990308091640.0125fb70@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:16:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990308090222.0182c4b0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:05 AM 3/8/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: << Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday >> Well, yeah, now that he rides a Harley and all, he's got an image to look out for, ya know? :-) ;-) ;-> ^^^^^^^^^^^ Smilies for all the harley guys... Brad (Donning flame suit) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:26:22 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17305 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:26:20 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F22F7@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: Daytona 600 Supersport Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:52:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I wanted to check my facts before I posted this one. I saw an ad for this website while watching the Daytona 200. http://www.motoworld.net/ Miguel Duhamel also finishes Friday's 600 Supersport race in the number one spot on an F4 with team rider Kurtis Roberts in the number two spot. I wish I could have seen this one as well. Great weekend for Honda racing. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:26:27 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17307 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:26:15 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F22F3@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: Daytona 200 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:31:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) What a great race! Glad to see Miguel Duhamel/Team Honda win the Daytona 200. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:33:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17459 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:33:46 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA22912; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:35:04 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021078; Mon, 8 Mar 99 09:31:09 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8A00LPY5NI3B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672E.004F64BE ; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:27:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:22:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525672E.004F117F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I saw it. Taped it too, if someone wants a look. Miguel Duhamel is amazing. The guy was racing with an injured leg, as I understand, and won BOTH the 600 Supersport and the Superbike races. He and Matt Mladin (!) were in front of the rest of the pack in the Superbike race by as much as a full minute. The dicing between the two was great to watch, especially the final lap when it came right down to the finish line. I think Duhamel won by .026 of a second if I recall correctly. The race for third was won by .002 of a second! (although I forget who won third & fourth) FYI, Duhamel was on a Honda RC45 and Mladin was on a GSX-R750. Duhamel won the 600 Supersport title earlier on a CBR-F4 As for the Scott Russell mess, I feel sorry for Harley. They hire the guy thinking it's probably their only chance at winning races this season (particularly Daytona), and the idiot takes himself out of a race by doing something irresponsible in his off-time. Pascal Picotte, their other rider, then crashes out of the race early on, ruining any hopes even for points at Daytona. In my opinion, Russell's screw-up is right up there with Anthony Gobert's. I suppose at least he didn't break any AMA rules so he won't be out for a whole season. What an ass. Chris Weaver So, who watched the Daytona race yesterday? Miguell Duhamel won by a nose, after taking an early lead but then trading places with Mark Mladin (?) for many laps. And the pit stops were incredible! Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday and his face is too swollen to even get his helmet on. I have no idea what the details are, but he was supposed to ride the Harley Davidson -- I really wanted to see that! Harley didn't make much of a showing again, with Pascal Picotte out of the race fairly early. 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Caplan" Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Chris Norloff wrote: > Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday and his face is > too swollen to even get his helmet on. I have no idea what the details > are, but he was supposed to ride the Harley Davidson -- I really wanted to > see that! Harley didn't make much of a showing again, with Pascal Picotte > out of the race fairly early. According to the quote below, Russell claims he didn't provoke the fight at all. "I can't believe I'm not out there for the Daytona 200," stated Russell from his home in Conyers, Georgia. "I'm sorry that this happened. I did not provoke it in any way," added Russell. "I'd like to thank all my fans and say I'm sorry you won't be able to see my try to win my sixth Daytona 200 today. I wish my teammate Pascal Picotte the best of luck and I can't wait to get back on the track and win one for Harley-Davidson." (From AMA web pages) I was surprised when the ESPN Reporter started asking the HD folks if they were going to penalize Russell. From their own reporting, they didn't know how it happened, or who instigated the fight. For all they know, Russell could have been a bystander who got hit with a stray punch or something. I was disappointed though... I was really looking forward to seeing how he does on the Harley. Louis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:47:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17755 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3142FC0220; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:47:48 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308093952.01856b60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:42:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990308091640.0125fb70@ns2.pgcc.net> References: <4.1.19990308090222.0182c4b0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:16 AM 3/8/99 , Brad wrote: >At 09:05 AM 3/8/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: ><< Apparently Scott Russell got into a bar fight last Thursday >> > >Well, yeah, now that he rides a Harley and all, he's got an image to look >out for, ya know? > >:-) ;-) ;-> > >^^^^^^^^^^^ >Smilies for all the harley guys... It gets worse, the fight (according to a guy on the BMW list who read the local paper) was at Razzles, described as a "teeny-bopper" place that caters to the 18 to 25 crowd. At least he could have been thumped by some Neandertal who didn't realize he was smashing Harley's best chance at Daytona! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 09:53:18 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17859 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA19053; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:52:41 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990308145238.MKYK26495@toddnt>; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:52:38 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "D. Thompson" , , Subject: RE: hot hissing battery Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:50:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be6973$1036e0a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <199903071721.MAA06398@smtp3.erols.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Brand new bike, and hot hissing battery. Sounds like an extremely early voltage regulator failure or the (closed cell?) battery wasn't filled properly. I'd take it back and have the dealer look it over. Todd > I suppose > it is gases leaking and I figured I would take the battery out and return > it and get it replaced. I removed the battery connections and went to pull > the battery out and it BURNED my fingers. It was so hot I had to From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 10:03:52 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18058 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 8 Mar 1999 15:03:49 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA12568 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:03:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:03:46 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990308093952.01856b60@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > It gets worse, the fight (according to a guy on the BMW list who read the > local paper) was at Razzles, described as a "teeny-bopper" place that > caters to the 18 to 25 crowd. At least he could have been thumped by some > Neandertal who didn't realize he was smashing Harley's best chance at Daytona! > > Chris Norloff There's NOTHING wrong with picking up 18 year old chicks at a bar! Heh, that cracks me up.. "Hey baby.. I race motorcycles.. want to see how well I can ride?" Mwahaha. Actually, I have to say I'm far more interested in watching him now than I was before. And all this talk of harley penalizing.. pshaw.. They'll prolly put out a line of spiked knuckles.. 'commemorative Scott Russel edition.. for knocking out the boyfriends of the 18 year old girls you're hitting on'.. I love it :P Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 10:53:04 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18862 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A07672400F2; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 10:44:54 EST Message-ID: <36E3F23A.B9514017@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 10:52:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Begeman Leon Subject: Re: The World's Most Expensive Pizza References: <1fa61028.36e295ab@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I didn't eat any of that pizza/carbohydrate death stuff. :) It was good seeing Father and Son Jordan down at the Party. I had a great time at the Pizza Party and the Daytona Bikeweek show. We rode back pretty hard yesterday, I didn't realize Daytona is only 12 hours away from home! = 8-] I'm also including what Leon sent about the trip, I didn't see it on DC cycles yet. One of the funniest parts of the trip occurred as we were gearing up to leave the show Saturday night. Somebody came over to Leon and said that he was now convinced that John Deere really made motorcycles, since this guy had seen another one that looked just like it riding through Washington D.C. I guess he didn't check out our license plates. :) The award for the most resourceful Harley owner goes to the guy I saw ACTUALLY riding his bike north out of Daytona on I-95 as we were riding down. His bike had the big old ape-hanger bars on it, up over head level even, and the guy had mounted a windshield in between, bolted right to the bars. I thought it was pretty cool. :) Oh, and I have to add, I finally wimped out and bought a heated jacket liner from the Gerbing folks at the show. I couldn't pass up the deal once they offered another 15% off because Leon is a MSF instructor. That jacket liner kicked ass on the way home, I didn't even have to go to maximum cold-weather gear mode on the trip North. Had I tried to rough it, we'd probably still be in South Carolina somewhere by now. :) Dale Leon Begeman wrote: > Florida is warm. Here it isn't. Yesterdays stats coming back - 845.5 miles > in 12:52 with 11:39 of that spent moving faster than 5 mph. > Overall average speed: 65.7 mph. > Moving average speed: 72.6 mph. > Gas mileage at those speeds was poor. Dale mentioned setting a new all time > record low for the number of miles to reserve. My high mpg on the way home > was 51.6. Low was about 48 or so (while in Florida, riding between Orlando > and Daytona, I got 61 mpg) > > I suspect Dale lost a few more pounds yesterday. > > Leon. MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > Sean and I shared pizza with Leon and Dale in Palm Coast, Florida Friday > night. They were still thawing from the trip down, but otherwise seemed OK. > They should be heading north as I type this. > > Happy Trails - > > Michael J. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 10:59:36 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18959 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:59:34 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2BNHa15953; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:57:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <229fa318.36e3f379@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:57:45 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 it's a big to-do in DC when all the cherry trees start blooming ....it's gorgeous.....as for bike events.....somehow the loud rumbling of pipes and the spewing of exhaust fumes into the air somehow just don't seem to be a good fit with delicate, fragrant cherry blossoms ;D Marcy In a message dated 3/7/99 6:55:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, STARAI@XXXXXX writes: > know about this? what/when is it? > any bike events related to this? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 11:32:10 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19590 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: uhhhh.. Trust me.. :) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:30:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Ok, just on the off-chance someone Does trust me.. (and a few others.. to be named in private). Might someone have a mini-van they'd be willing to loan out this coming Saturday (March 13th). Attempting to get out of renting.. if at all possible.. :) Thanks to those who DON'T flame me.. and those who might be able to help (oh, doesn't have to be a mini-van.. anything that'll seat 7 will work - mostly all DC-Cycles people). Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 12:27:29 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20540 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:27:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990308172727.12794.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.113.13] by web302.yahoomail.com; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:27:27 PST Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:27:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I dunno, I kinda feel that the sweet vibrations of a motorcycle go quite well with ANY event. Then again, if I could find a way to make a living at it, I'd ride a bike all the waking hours of the day! As for the cherry blossum thing in particular, I think it would be nice riding around the mall able to see the sites and smell all the wonderful blossums and such while on a bike... CT ---JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: somehow the loud rumbling of pipes and the > spewing of exhaust fumes into the air somehow just don't seem to be a good fit > with delicate, fragrant cherry blossoms ;D _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 12:43:47 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20831 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:43:45 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2YTDa22603; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:35:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:35:49 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: more of the evil government *sigh* Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX YOU EVERY TIME YOU ACCESS THE INTERNET!!!. Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:23 AM Guess we realized the government would sooner or later find a way to tax us for using the Internet. Congress will be voting in less than two weeks. CNN stated that the the government would, in two weeks time, decide to allow or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a Long Distance call EACH time you access the Internet. The address is http://www.house.gov/writerep/ If you choose, visit the address above, fill out the necessary form and vote AGAINST this injustice!!!. If EACH one of us, forward this message on to others in a hurry, we may be able to prevent this injustice from happening! Please Pass This ON!!!!!!. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 12:45:50 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20909 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ACAE7040278; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:45:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308125026.017eb750@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:51:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival In-Reply-To: <19990308172727.12794.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:27 PM 3/8/99 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >I dunno, I kinda feel that the sweet vibrations of a motorcycle go >quite well with ANY event. Then again, if I could find a way to make >a living at it, I'd ride a bike all the waking hours of the day! Sweet vibrations? Okay, that does it ... you want sweet vibrations? Check this out-- http://www.viberider.com/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 12:45:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20912 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ACB17040278; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:45:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308124817.01861990@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:49:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: The World's Most Expensive Pizza In-Reply-To: <36E3F23A.B9514017@tidalwave.net> References: <1fa61028.36e295ab@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:52 AM 3/8/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >One of the funniest parts of the trip occurred as we were gearing >up to leave the show Saturday night. Somebody came over to Leon >and said that he was now convinced that John Deere really made >motorcycles, since this guy had seen another one that looked just >like it riding through Washington D.C. ha ha ha! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 12:46:51 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20955 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA01961 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:46:30 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:46:30 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The World's Most Expensive Pizza Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:46:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Sean and I shared pizza with Leon and Dale in Palm Coast, Florida Friday night. >Hey, I didn't eat any of that pizza/carbohydrate death stuff. :) My abject apologies to Dale - he was, in fact, being a good boy and sticking to his diet and did avoid the pizza. I'm pretty sure that I saw Leon scarf some, though... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 13:10:35 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21459 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 428; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:09:58 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990308130446.01aa00f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:09:56 -0500 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:35 PM 3/8/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX YOU EVERY TIME YOU ACCESS THE INTERNET!!!. I guess the best way to avoid arguments over stuff like this is to not send it to a mailing list. I'm guessing you didn't see the back and forth between todd and I last week on this very subject. It isn't true, don't write, don't forward it. ___________________________________________ “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 13:19:28 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21669 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A2E84F0090; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:11:52 EST Message-ID: <36E414AC.D79888C9@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:19:24 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The World's Most Expensive Pizza References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For me, Saturday was the most expensive day. Ended up ordering a new Nolan flip-front helmet, bought the electric jacket liner, some paint touch-up sticks for BugSlayer (could probably use gallons of the stuff - aughhh), some neck scarf thingies, and a throttle rocker. I was out of control. It was fun. :) Jordan, Michael wrote: > > >Hey, I didn't eat any of that pizza/carbohydrate death stuff. :) > > My abject apologies to Dale - he was, in fact, being a good boy and sticking > to his diet and did avoid the pizza. I stuffed myself with burger patties from Wendy's, tossing the buns. The hot chicken wings were pretty good, too. I like this diet. :) Didn't even really miss the pizza. Really. I was full. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 13:42:33 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22142 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A85076007C; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:34:56 EST Message-ID: <36E41A14.E2A5E5EC@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:42:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sigh. Just in the off chance this message is regarding the Senate Bill S.328, which is a bill to "To make permanent the moratorium on the imposition of taxes on the Internet", I think you would want to contact your CongressPerson and give indication that you SUPPORT this bill. Here's a URL I found: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c106:22:./temp/~c106Alg5YH:: It helps to look into things a bit further sometimes, instead of just forwarding "doom & gloom" emails like this blindly. The internet is a useful tool for doing this very thing. I'm surprised how few people actually use it constructively. It sort of sounds like someone in the "Evil Government", in this case the Sponsor of this bill, is on OUR side. Dale, just doing his bit to support the "Evil Government" today. PS: Notice I didn't say anything bad about AOL accounts this time. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) -- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX YOU EVERY TIME YOU ACCESS THE INTERNET!!!. > > Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:23 AM > > Guess we realized the government would sooner or later find a way to tax us > for using the Internet. > > Congress will be voting in less than two weeks. > > CNN stated that the the government would, in two weeks time, decide to > allow or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a Long Distance > call EACH time you access the Internet. > > The address is http://www.house.gov/writerep/ > > If you choose, visit the address above, fill out the necessary > form and vote AGAINST this injustice!!!. > > If EACH one of us, forward this message on to others in a hurry, we > may be able to prevent this injustice from happening! > > Please Pass This ON!!!!!!. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 13:43:40 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22172 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:43:39 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id oYWSa18758; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:23:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <71b6cdbd.36e41586@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:23:02 EST To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 MY MOST HUMBLE APOLOGIES next time I won't worry about anyone else ... as I said privately to another lister who chastised me as well ... I should have checked it out more BUT it came to me from someone I know personally and with whom I do business and therefore consider trustworthy ... for the record I normally try to screen such things and not bother people with hoaxes etc ... I figured better safe than sorry ... FLAME AWAY if you must but for the sake of all those I've offended by listing this and to get it OFF the list, please do it privately to jinnsinn@XXXXXX Marcy - forever and ever STRICTLY MOTORCYCLE In a message dated 3/8/99 1:10:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > At 12:35 PM 3/8/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > >THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX YOU EVERY TIME YOU ACCESS THE INTERNET!!!. > > I guess the best way to avoid arguments over stuff like this is to not send > it to a mailing list. I'm guessing you didn't see the back and forth > between todd and I last week on this very subject. It isn't true, don't > write, don't forward it. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 13:58:55 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22514 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 8 Mar 1999 18:58:53 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA13896 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:58:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:58:52 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* In-Reply-To: <71b6cdbd.36e41586@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > MY MOST HUMBLE APOLOGIES > next time I won't worry about anyone else ... as I said privately to another > lister who chastised me as well ... I should have checked it out more BUT it > came to me from someone I know personally and with whom I do business and > therefore consider trustworthy ... for the record I normally try to screen > such things and not bother people with hoaxes etc ... I figured better safe > than sorry ... FLAME AWAY if you must but for the sake of all those I've > offended by listing this and to get it OFF the list, please do it privately to > jinnsinn@XXXXXX > > Marcy - forever and ever STRICTLY MOTORCYCLE Hey, if it makes you feel better, my mom sent me a notice on something evil called the "Good Times" virus, which I had to be careful of :) To find this funny, you have to realize I work in Network Security. I sent her back a somewhat irritated email, and realized I had just flamed my own mom. Am I an evil person? Sincerely, Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 14:16:46 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22905 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:53:59 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: SV 650 report (fwd) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:50:16 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I know I sent this link out to a couple people.. felt you all might like the link (go to the forum.. some good info there). I still have another racers report on the SV as-well... Brian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Here is a new link for you... > >http://chappell.ca/sv650/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 14:47:29 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23574 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:47:25 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA23815; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:48:31 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019609; Mon, 8 Mar 99 14:41:02 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8A001GNK18MG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672E.006BD1A7 ; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:37:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:32:35 -0500 Subject: Coleman Powersports Experiences From rec.moto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525672E.006B72FD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I just thought that some of you might want to see these comments, just in case you don't read rec.motorcycles. Looks like business as usual for Coleman PowerShysters. Chris Weaver ----- Fred Maxwell wrote: I went to Coleman Powersports last night and asked them to give me a price on a Pro Circuit pipe for my CR500R. The person at the counter opened a catalog and looked up the pipe. After looking up the price on the computer, he told me that it was $215 (and it was a special order). When I pointed to the $184.95 suggested retail price in the catalog, he told me that it was an "old" catalog. It was a '98 catalog and I showed him that. He called someone else over who told me that he "could give it to [me] for $199.95." When I pointed out that the price he quoted was $15 over list, he just shrugged. I called Pro Circuit today and was told that the 1999 suggested retail price is now $191, so Coleman Powersports is "only" asking $24 over list price. Since Troy Racing (formerly Honda of Troy) is selling them for $154.95, I'll mail order it. I prefer to support local dealers, but not when they try to take advantage of me. (snip) P.S. While I was there, another person was picking up his bike after having it repaired. He was complaining that his repair bill was over $200 more than the estimate. I can't vouch for the accuracy of his claim, but they were not disputing it and he sounded reasonable, intelligent, and honest to me. John Pace wrote: When I saw this one, I had to reply. We took a quad to coleman for service about 9 months ago. They told us that it would be $60 to check out why it wouldn't start. They concluded that that the quad had bad valves and that the parts and labor would be about $850. We told them no thanks, and told them to just charge us the $60 and send us on our way. Well, we get there to pick it up, and are halfway through loading it on the trailer when we notice that the entire top end is missing. So we go back inside and they have our parts in a crappy old box. They were not even going to give us our parts back! They were also so clummsy that some of the parts were missing. We asked them what the deal was, and they said that they didn't have to put it back together. They also said that they did not have to tell us that this was their policy. They were total assholes and a bunch of stupid hicks. I will never again do business with coleman power sports. I get most of my parts at Cycles USA, where the staff are friendly and yes, they do discount on parts. Also, we have never had a problem with service either. Other alternatives to coleman are Freestate Cycle and Atlantic Cycle. The only thing Coleman is good for is window shopping. Don't support these cheezy assholes! The customer is always wrong at Coleman! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 14:51:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23679 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19863 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15672 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 429 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:50:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990308144958.01cc3990@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:50:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: A motorcycle related Dilbert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert99022852155.gif Not sure I like being associated with Crack, but Dilbert is usually pretty close to reality...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 14:51:54 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23699 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AA534710220; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:51:47 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990308140727.01872e20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:07:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh, puh-leeze. Got any more info? Got quote or a link for this CNN story? This sounds like yet another "modem tax" hoax. Think of it this way -- how is "the government" going to tell when you make an Internet call? I dial up over ordinary voice lines using an analog modem ... "the government" is going to listen in on every phone line, monitor which ones have modem signals, then determine which of those are to Internet providers? This sounds like fall-out from a recent FCC decision regarding reciprocal compensation between local phone companies when there's a different company at each end of a local phone company. See http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Factsheets/nominute.html "No Consumer Per-Minute Charges to Access ISPs " and http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/News_Releases/1999/nrcc9014.html FCC ADOPTS ORDER ADDRESSING DIAL-UP INTERNET TRAFFIC Chris Norloff ********************************** At 12:35 PM 3/8/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX YOU EVERY TIME YOU ACCESS THE INTERNET!!!. > > >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:23 AM > >Guess we realized the government would sooner or later find a way to tax us >for using the Internet. > >Congress will be voting in less than two weeks. > >CNN stated that the the government would, in two weeks time, decide to >allow or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a Long Distance >call EACH time you access the Internet. > >The address is http://www.house.gov/writerep/ > >If you choose, visit the address above, fill out the necessary >form and vote AGAINST this injustice!!!. > >If EACH one of us, forward this message on to others in a hurry, we >may be able to prevent this injustice from happening! > >Please Pass This ON!!!!!!. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 14:53:07 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23709 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:52:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: MC Rapair www page.. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:51:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) http://www.users.bigpond.com/jack_stands/motorcycle_advice/bike_repair.html With just a cursurary glance at this site, it seems to have some deceint info for the novice to shade-tree mechanics... Might be worth your time to read through if you've ever had interest in working on your own bike. Of course, you can just ask me too.. :P 'Brian, my bike doesn't run awll at high-way speeds" "Does it run well otherwise? Faster and Slower?" 'Sure' "Well then, just take slower backroads, or speed up!!" *chuckle* Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 15:20:11 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24312 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 444; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:20:02 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990308151615.01aa8a40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:20:00 -0500 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Coleman Powersports Experiences From rec.moto In-Reply-To: <8525672E.006B72FD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Think I've said this before - a friend used to work for Coleman. He said they hired know-nothing summer help every year, and they would routinely F up people's bikes cause they didn't know any better. They have the highest markup in the area, and their parts guy is an Asshole. That last comment was my own, from previous experience. So why do we continue to go there? Because all of the other dealers around her have a crappy selection. I really need a new jacket, and I went to Cycle Sport in Herndon. Know what they have? 3 used leathers and some off road jerseys. I told one of the guys I was going to have to go to Colemans if he didn't get some product in, and he said the same thing he said last year "Yeah, I really need to do that." Looks like we are stuck with mail order or driving long distance to better shops (like to Indiana) until some super store comes in and cleans up the dealers with a little competition. .02 MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 15:31:52 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24609 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:31:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: whee.. more white stuff.. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:30:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) look at www.weather.com for the DC area... snow for the next day and a half... *sigh* when's March end anyway? I wanna have stable weather (damn, we're getting more snow in this month than the rest of the winter...) Brian (gonna be a white and slippery day tomorrow) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 15:52:42 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24986 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA01545; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:52:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001512; Mon Mar 8 14:51:42 1999 Message-ID: <36E43811.23F81B18@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:50:25 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this keeps up I'm going to have buy snow tires for the FJ Ed McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > look at www.weather.com for the DC area... snow for the next day and a > half... *sigh* when's March end anyway? I wanna have stable weather (damn, > we're getting more snow in this month than the rest of the winter...) > > Brian (gonna be a white and slippery day tomorrow) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 15:56:13 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24999 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:56:12 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id gEFYa20330; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:51:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42c5b8bb.36e43865@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:51:49 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more of the evil government *sigh* Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 3/8/99 1:53:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Sigh. ok - I called someone I know who works for a Congressman - he is checking it out and will let me know - I will let you know what he tells me - and hopefully that's the end of it :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 16:06:01 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25295 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:05:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990308210609.6324.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.178] by send202.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:06:09 PST Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:06:09 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Combination "Need Help Loading Again" and "Going Away Party": 20 & 21 March To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep, again. Two weeks notice, could be better but still enough notice so you can't have an excuse. I'll need some help loading a truck and trailer again either Saturday or Sunday. Beer, food, beer, sodas, and beer will be provided, plus motorcycle videos, speedvision, etc. Actual work should take about an hour, then for the rest of the day we can just declare a party. If you don't want to help load, come out anyway and join us for some festivities. I'd like to get as many of the regulars as possible, this will be my unofficial going away party, it would be nice to meet some more of you that I've been communicating with (I met several of you already), and the ones I've met I can say goodbye to. If the weathers good or at least not too hideous I might go for a short (100 mile) ride either before or after. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 16:12:02 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25339 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:12:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgfrw15019; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525672E.007554C3 ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:21:34 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "McCoy Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Message-ID: <8525672E.00755325.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:06:25 -0500 Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok, everyone, repeat after me...NO SNOW ON MARCH 27!! Thank you. Pray to whatever gods you believe in. LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "McCoy Brian NAB02" on 03/08/99 03:30:06 PM To: "'dc'" cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: whee.. more white stuff.. look at www.weather.com for the DC area... snow for the next day and a half... *sigh* when's March end anyway? I wanna have stable weather (damn, we're getting more snow in this month than the rest of the winter...) Brian (gonna be a white and slippery day tomorrow) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 17:13:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26508 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:13:47 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA08504; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:15:03 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004604; Mon, 8 Mar 99 17:08:19 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8A00LOEQRD3D@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525672E.00791B6D ; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:02:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:46:00 -0500 Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: McCoy Brian NAB02 , "'dc'" Message-id: <8525672E.0077AF71.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Okay, I'll bite... What's happening on March 27? Chris Weaver From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Ok, everyone, repeat after me...NO SNOW ON MARCH 27!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 19:17:04 1999 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28666 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-52-160.s160.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.52.160]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA28789 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:16:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002b01be69db$14d350e0$a034accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:15:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 It was a great race. I was lucky to have been there see Miguel take the checkered flag. Mat put up a great fight and in the end, was only behind Miguel by half a bike length. Still can't beat how close Ben Bostrom was to capturing 3rd but gave it up to Rich Oliver by something like a millisecond. You should have heard the crowd. Wild! I still can't get over how awesome it is to see them take the sling shot turn into the embankments and hear the scream of their engines as they hit it to 185 mphs and it's all happening right under your nose. Incredible. I strongly suggest that if you have the chance to get to Daytona during bike week and race time, GO! You'll have a blast. Trust me. ;-) - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Suazo, Tony To: DC Cycles Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 6:32 AM Subject: Daytona 200 >What a great race! Glad to see Miguel Duhamel/Team Honda win the >Daytona 200. > >Tony >CBR600 F3 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 20:35:07 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00106 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:35:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990309013732.25727.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.105] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:37:32 PST Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:37:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Daytona 200 (rebroadcast) To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those of us who missed it the rebroadcast is supposed to be on ESPN2 tonight at midnight. ---Ursulina Viteri wrote: > > It was a great race. I was lucky to have been there see Miguel take the > checkered flag. Mat put up a great fight and in the end, was only behind > Miguel by half a bike length. Still can't beat how close Ben Bostrom was to > capturing 3rd but gave it up to Rich Oliver by something like a millisecond. > You should have heard the crowd. Wild! I still can't get over how awesome > it is to see them take the sling shot turn into the embankments and hear the > scream of their engines as they hit it to 185 mphs and it's all happening > right under your nose. Incredible. > > I strongly suggest that if you have the chance to get to Daytona during bike > week and race time, GO! You'll have a blast. Trust me. ;-) > > - - Ursulina > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suazo, Tony > To: DC Cycles > Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 6:32 AM > Subject: Daytona 200 > > > >What a great race! Glad to see Miguel Duhamel/Team Honda win the > >Daytona 200. > > > >Tony > >CBR600 F3 > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 21:05:30 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00650 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-110.s47.as2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.110]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id VAA19773 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:05:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903090205.VAA19773@smtp4.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: 535 Virago Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:10:48 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My wife decided to sell her 1996 535 Virago. Only 2400 miles. Excellent condition, never down, kept in a heated basement. Nice looking bike, great starter bike. $4000 or best offer. please e-mail me directly. dthompso1@XXXXXX thanks, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 8 23:21:10 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02888 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00049 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:21:06 -0500 Message-ID: <06df01be69e3$cc387fa0$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Can't bear to look Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:17:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06DC_01BE69B9.E25F1160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06DC_01BE69B9.E25F1160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Turning my head away when near: There has been, since at least = Sunday a.m., a bike, previously seen parked on the street, this time = knocked over, lying "T" to the curb, its black cover still on. Probably = nudged by a Saturday night partier a-leaving after time spent at a 21 & = M neighborhood watering hole, the solemn cover preventing its being = seen. =20 Sneaked a glance this morning and it was still there, like a = homeless corpse with no family. =20 Mighty sad. Hope it's the owner that first tends to it. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> If 'twer possible I'd send it soup. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_06DC_01BE69B9.E25F1160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    = Turning my head=20 away when near:  There has=20 been, since at least Sunday a.m., a bike, previously seen parked on the = street,=20 this time knocked over, lying "T" to the curb, its black cover = still=20 on.  Probably nudged by a Saturday night partier a-leaving after = time spent=20 at a 21 & M neighborhood watering hole, the solemn cover preventing = its=20 being seen.  
 
    = Sneaked a glance=20 this morning and it was still there, like a homeless corpse with no=20 family. 
 
    = Mighty sad. =20 Hope it's the owner that first tends to it. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> If=20 'twer possible I'd send it soup. 
Join the AMA.  Help = protect my=20 riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_06DC_01BE69B9.E25F1160-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 00:00:41 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03536 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA00992 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:00:35 -0500 Message-ID: <06f801be69e9$506a6900$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Could have been a cellphone Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:57:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06F5_01BE69BF.66CAF680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06F5_01BE69BF.66CAF680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This from a Daytona Vulcan rider a couple of days ago. B.S. apparently = a great guy who offered hospitality to many unfamilar-to-him listers at = the event and which Kawasaki cruiser bike just off the showfloor: =20 "As we approached the last cross street in the sub-division, B.S. and his SO were struck by a Red = Geo Metro. The driver was young and ran the stop sign while adjusting the CD player. 911 was called and first aid was administered. B.S. underwent = surgery for a broken left leg (from the Geo's bumper) and bruises. His SO (also = a very sweet and kind person) sustained a laceration (RedDog, that is a bad = cut) above the left eye and multiple bruises, from flying onto and off of the = hood of the car. She was released, he is still in the hospital. The bike, a = 1999 Drifter (first one sold in Daytona) with 140 miles, sustained tank, floorboards, headlight housing damage." The point -- "while adjusting the CD Player". Car gadgets fighting for = attention. Soon -- navigator/toy operators required. =20 And from another Vulcan lister, after postings of recent other accidents = involving a dog and a sheep (in New Zealand!): =20 "Always play the motorcyclist riding game! For those of you that don't know the game, it goes like this! Everyone on the road is trying to run over you! They are cold blooded, = blind killers, that are just trying to get points! Now that you know the rules, there is only one way to play! You watch everyone that is coming into an intersection, knowing that one = of them is not going to stop or yield! You watch everyone that is coming toward you, knowing that one of them = is going to turn in front of you! You watch everyone that is behind you, knowing that one of them is going = to run right over the top of you! You watch everyone in the pack, knowing that one of them is not watching you! Addition rules of play, Give the car the right of way ever time he wants it, he's bigger than = you are! Don't let your balls out-weigh your judgement!" Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Counting on shaft drive belting me out of the food chain Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_06F5_01BE69BF.66CAF680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This from a Daytona = Vulcan rider a=20 couple of days ago.  B.S. apparently a great guy who offered = hospitality to=20 many unfamilar-to-him listers at the event and which Kawasaki cruiser = bike just=20 off the showfloor:  
 
"As we approached the last
cross street in the = sub-division, B.S.=20 and his SO were struck by a Red Geo
Metro. The driver was young and = ran the=20 stop sign while adjusting the CD
player. 911 was called and first aid = was=20 administered. B.S. underwent surgery
for a broken left leg (from the = Geo's=20 bumper) and bruises. His SO (also a very
sweet and kind person) = sustained a=20 laceration (RedDog, that is a bad cut)
above the left eye and = multiple=20 bruises, from flying onto and off of the hood
of the car. She was = released,=20 he is still in the hospital. The bike, a 1999
Drifter (first one sold = in=20 Daytona) with 140 miles, sustained tank,
floorboards, headlight = housing=20 damage."
 
 
The point -- = "while adjusting=20 the CD Player".  Car gadgets fighting for attention.  = Soon --=20 navigator/toy operators required. 
 
 
And from another Vulcan = lister, after=20 postings of recent other accidents involving a dog and a sheep (in New=20 Zealand!): 
 
"Always play the motorcyclist riding game!
For those of you = that=20 don't know the game, it goes like this!
Everyone on the road is = trying to run=20 over you! They are cold blooded, blind
killers, that are just trying = to get=20 points!
Now that you know the rules, there is only one way to = play!
You=20 watch everyone that is coming into an intersection, knowing that one = of
them=20 is not going to stop or yield!
You watch everyone that is coming = toward you,=20 knowing that one of them is
going to turn in front of you!
You = watch=20 everyone that is behind you, knowing that one of them is going to
run = right=20 over the top of you!
You watch everyone in the pack, knowing that one = of them=20 is not watching
you!
Addition rules of play,
Give the car the = right of=20 way ever time he wants it, he's bigger than you
are!
Don't let = your balls=20 out-weigh your judgement!"
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Counting on shaft drive belting me out of the food chain
Join the = AMA. =20 Help protect my riding fun.
 
------=_NextPart_000_06F5_01BE69BF.66CAF680-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 00:05:05 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03612 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA01099 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:05:00 -0500 Message-ID: <071401be69e9$ee939b60$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Fw: Hell's Angels on History Channel Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:01:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This seems to be making the rounds: >Here's the description of the show from the History Channel website: > >> Hell's Angels >> >> Are they romantic figures of rebellion, or traveling, rowdy misfits? >> Jump on you "hog" and ride along as we reveal the history of this >> motorcycle club with a punch! From inception by a former pilot from the >> "Hell's Angels" squadron, to the true incident on which "The Wild One" >> is based, to today, it's a ride you won't want to miss. > >And the dates are: > >Monday, March 22 7:00-8:00PM and 11:00PM-midnight >Tuesday, March 23 3:00-4:00AM > Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> A devil of a ride Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 06:47:14 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10578 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:45:13 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F538066@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: whee.. more white stuff.. Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:45:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Jeannette and Tom are getting married. Glenn >Okay, I'll bite... What's happening on March 27? >Chris Weaver >From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX >Ok, everyone, repeat after me...NO SNOW ON MARCH 27!! From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 07:04:25 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10797 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:04:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990309120603.23272.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 04:06:03 PST Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 04:06:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Can't bear to look To: mobacc , Dc Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So go pick it up! Wouldn't you want someone to pick yours up before some other drunk runs it over? ---mobacc wrote: > > Turning my head away when near: There has been, since at least Sunday a.m., a bike, previously seen parked on the street, this time knocked over, lying "T" to the curb, its black cover still on. Probably nudged by a Saturday night partier a-leaving after time spent at a 21 & M neighborhood watering hole, the solemn cover preventing its being seen. > > Sneaked a glance this morning and it was still there, like a homeless corpse with no family. > > Mighty sad. Hope it's the owner that first tends to it. > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> If 'twer possible I'd send it soup. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > >
    Turning my head away when near:  There has been, since at least Sunday a.m., a bike, previously seen parked on the street, this time knocked over, lying "T" to the curb, its black cover still on.  Probably nudged by a Saturday night partier a-leaving after time spent at a 21 & M neighborhood watering hole, the solemn cover preventing its being seen.  
 
    Sneaked a glance this morning and it was still there, like a homeless corpse with no family. 
 
    Mighty sad.  Hope it's the owner that first tends to it. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> If 'twer possible I'd send it soup. 
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.
_________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 07:09:03 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10876 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust041.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.41]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA30141; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:10:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990308211901.006a5f04@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 21:19:01 -0500 To: "Jordan, Michael" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: The World's Most Expensive Pizza In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The pizza party was cool. This year's "thing to do" was to leave San Diego on Wednesday afternoon, go to the pizza party and return to San Diego on Sunday night. I think there were about 4 people that did it that way. I also got to meet Mr. Bill of the Baltimore Cycles list in Daytona. I knew he looked familiar, but I think this is the first time we were introduced. Leon At 09:46 AM 3/8/99 -0800, Jordan, Michael wrote: >>>Sean and I shared pizza with Leon and Dale in Palm Coast, Florida Friday >night. > >>Hey, I didn't eat any of that pizza/carbohydrate death stuff. :) > >My abject apologies to Dale - he was, in fact, being a good boy and sticking >to his diet and did avoid the pizza. > >I'm pretty sure that I saw Leon scarf some, though... > >Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 07:42:36 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11390 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA28971 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6A00.37E45E10@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:41:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:41:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought much along the same lines at first, but Russell was quoted as saying he didn't provoke it. This could indeed be the case. I'm convinced that OJ did it (not that he gives a damn what I think), but I would like to hear more of the facts before judging Mr. Russell. As far as the broadcast goes, was anyone else disappointed with the coverage? Seems to me that if this was a NASCAR race, it would have had on-vehicle cameras, and an OCCASIONAL replay if someone (like the only HD rider in the field) crashed. And what about that camera (before the chicane, I think) that would pan along the track following the racers, and then, apparently because it couldn't tilt down far enough, show us the infield for a good 3 seconds until the camera found the bikes again! I guess it gives you time to dip your chip or something once per lap. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville (down to the bare frame now, almost ready for powder coating) Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling, VA USA >Russell's screw-up is right up there with Anthony >Gobert's. I suppose at least he didn't break any AMA rules so he won't be >out for a whole season. What an ass. > >Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 08:59:19 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12539 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:59:17 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgful17560; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525672F.004DBA62 ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:08:59 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX, McCoy Brian NAB02 , "'dc'" Message-ID: <8525672F.004DB937.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:53:38 -0500 Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline My wedding... : ) & Tom's, of course! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX on 03/08/99 04:46:00 PM To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX cc: McCoy Brian NAB02 , "'dc'" (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. Okay, I'll bite... What's happening on March 27? Chris Weaver From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Ok, everyone, repeat after me...NO SNOW ON MARCH 27!! From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 09:36:14 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13167 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA02436 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:36:02 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:36:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: whee.. more white stuff.. Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:35:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >My wedding... : ) >& Tom's, of course! ; ) No it's not - It's yours - guys are just accessories at these events. ;-) Michael (been there) J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 09:54:00 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13393 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:53:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990309145500.23117.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web310.yahoomail.com; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 06:55:00 PST Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:55:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: whee.. more white stuff.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >My wedding... : ) > >& Tom's, of course! ; ) > > No it's not - It's yours - guys are just accessories at these events. ;-) > > Michael (been there) J. I thought it was "Wedding is for the bride, Honeymoon is for the groom." That's what my married friends have said anyway. (Enjoy the wedding and the honeymoon!) Louis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 11:04:37 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14704 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA07693 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6A1C.77E90120@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:03:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Scott Russell is a bone-head Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:03:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to make it clear, I'm not implying that OJ beat up Scott Russell. Sorry for any confusion ;) Rich >-----Original Message----- >From: Crishock, Richard >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 7:41 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head > >I thought much along the same lines at first, but Russell was quoted as >saying he didn't provoke it. This could indeed be the case. I'm convinced >that OJ did it (not that he gives a damn what I think), but I would like to >hear more of the facts before judging Mr. Russell. > > > >Rich >'78 Triumph Bonneville (down to the bare frame now, almost ready for powder >coating) >Scowling Street Terrors #78 >Sterling, VA USA > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 11:25:01 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15071 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA20693; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: mobacc cc: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: Can't bear to look In-Reply-To: <06df01be69e3$cc387fa0$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I caught a glimpse of this same bike knocked over, closer to where New Hampshire hits Dupont Circle. I just caught a feetling glance and felt like maybe I should pull over and pick it up. But we (me and two women, one of whom is a three week old baby) were on our way to an appointment and I had already passed the bike. Later, when I was picking them up I saw the bike again and thought of stopping once more. This time the innane thought crept into my mind that what if the owner came out and found me, in a sedan, picking up a knocked over bike - wouldn't he think that I had done it? And then I thought the bike would be too heavy for my sometimes bad back, and then I was already passed it. I agree with Bill that it was a sad sight. I think my indecision - or the decision to do nothing was almost sadder. Erik CX500 --> I feel much better riding this crusty old bike after having read an article (more a picture collage really) in the most recent issue of Motorcylist in which a British couple has ridden around the world for the last 16 years on... you guessed it, a CX500. Amazing that I complain about riding around DC in it - then again, since third world road conditions prevail in this city,maybe it isn't SO much of stretch... On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, mobacc wrote: > Turning my head away when near: There has been, since at least > Sunday a.m., a bike, previously seen parked on the street, this time > knocked over, lying "T" to the curb, its black cover still on. Probably > nudged by a Saturday night partier a-leaving after time spent at a 21 & > M neighborhood watering hole, the solemn cover preventing its being > seen. > > Sneaked a glance this morning and it was still there, like a homeless corpse with no family. > > Mighty sad. Hope it's the owner that first tends to it. > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> If 'twer possible I'd send it soup. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 11:26:36 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15094 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 449; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:26:23 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990309112429.01bdaec0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:26:00 -0500 To: "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Could have been a cellphone In-Reply-To: <06f801be69e9$506a6900$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_522096314==_.ALT" --=====================_522096314==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:57 PM 3/8/99 , mobacc forwarded: > > "Always play the motorcyclist riding game! > For those of you that don't know the game, it goes like this! > Everyone on the road is trying to run over you! They are cold blooded, blind > killers, that are just trying to get points! > Now that you know the rules, there is only one way to play! > You watch everyone that is coming into an intersection, knowing that one of > them is not going to stop or yield! > You watch everyone that is coming toward you, knowing that one of them is > going to turn in front of you! > You watch everyone that is behind you, knowing that one of them is going to > run right over the top of you! > You watch everyone in the pack, knowing that one of them is not watching > you! > Addition rules of play, > Give the car the right of way ever time he wants it, he's bigger than you > are! > Don't let your balls out-weigh your judgement!" I whole heartedly agree! You must always look! And use many exclamation points! Get the point across! It's a dangerous game - play it safe..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 --=====================_522096314==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:57 PM 3/8/99 , mobacc forwarded:
"Always play the motorcyclist riding game!
For those of you that don't know the game, it goes like this!
Everyone on the road is trying to run over you! They are cold blooded, blind
killers, that are just trying to get points!
Now that you know the rules, there is only one way to play!
You watch everyone that is coming into an intersection, knowing that one of
them is not going to stop or yield!
You watch everyone that is coming toward you, knowing that one of them is
going to turn in front of you!
You watch everyone that is behind you, knowing that one of them is going to
run right over the top of you!
You watch everyone in the pack, knowing that one of them is not watching
you!
Addition rules of play,
Give the car the right of way ever time he wants it, he's bigger than you
are!
Don't let your balls out-weigh your judgement!"

I whole heartedly agree!  You must always look!  And use many exclamation points!  Get the point across! 

It's a dangerous game - play it safe.....

___________________________________________
    Mike Troutman
         http://www.troutman.org

         '91 Nighthawk 750 --=====================_522096314==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 13:02:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16894 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A23A5D0204; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:02:34 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990309125712.017dd450@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:58:38 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:41 AM 3/9/99 , Crishock, Richard wrote: >I thought much along the same lines at first, but Russell was quoted as >saying he didn't provoke it. This could indeed be the case. ... but I >would like to hear more of the facts before judging Mr. Russell. Fair enough, though I'm skeptical of anyone who thinks they can avoid a bar fight by merely "not provoking" anyone. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 13:51:13 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17740 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:51:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990309185212.24125.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web310.yahoomail.com; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:52:12 PST Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Scott Russell is a bone-head To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I don't really care if he provoked it or not. The way I see it is that he is a very well paid professional rider. What the hell was he doing out at that kind of bar anyhow??? His job is to be out there racing..... He shouldn't be doing stupid stuff. His job is to race and be a public star for H-D. Not starting off on the right foot with a new team. I've only raced at the club level, and I can tell you for a fact that racing 110% is very tasking physically and mentally. I can only imagine that qualifying and preparing for the daytona 200 is even more so... He should have been taking it easy preparing himself for the next days riding, not out barhopping. Collin ---Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 07:41 AM 3/9/99 , Crishock, Richard wrote: > >I thought much along the same lines at first, but Russell was quoted as > >saying he didn't provoke it. This could indeed be the case. ... but I > >would like to hear more of the facts before judging Mr. Russell. > > > Fair enough, though I'm skeptical of anyone who thinks they can avoid a bar > fight by merely "not provoking" anyone. > > Chris Norloff > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 15:15:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19110 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08773 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14553 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from gforeman (surf137.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.137]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA20551 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:14:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: "give up riding" sermon Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:14:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be6a69$633e7320$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 When I was young, my mother was always telling me how dangerous bikes were...but I started riding at 10, caught the bug, and had no intentions of giving it up. When I got my license at 16 I could see the agony on her face every time I left, and she always conveyed how she feared for me when I was riding. Well, when I was 7 her brother crashed his airplane and died. Imagine her fear when I got my pilot's license. My flying still scares her to death...but I NEVER hear about the motorcycle anymore! I've been riding 32 years now...never bruised much more than my ego. Now my experiences in a cage are ANOTHER story. That's where my FEAR begins! There are "Old" pilots There are "Bold" pilots But there are no "Old Bold" pilots! Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´Ż`·.¸¸.·´Ż`·.¸¸.·´Ż`·.¸¸.·´Ż`·.¸¸.·´Ż`·.¸¸.·´Ż`·.¸¸.·´ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR Judgement to AVOID the situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 18:39:59 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22526 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:39:58 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id fNGEa26925; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:32:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59cd557.36e5afa7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:32:55 EST To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: whee.. more white stuff.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/9/99 6:52:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Jeannette and Tom are getting married. Glenn >> Speaking of Tom and Jeannette getting married, are we invited? How about a reception for DC-Cyclists only? ;-) I'm praying that this is the last of the snow. I'm off to find Punxatawnie Phil right now. Anyone want a groundhog skin cap? :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 18:56:47 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22802 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-181-3.s257.tnt19.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.181.3]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13115 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:56:43 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: whee.. more white stuff.. Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: <002801be6a88$ce2ffae0$4857accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <59cd557.36e5afa7@aol.com> Importance: Normal Yeah, bikers with torches and pitchforks prowling the countryside in search of a scheming, lying rodent. Too much snow. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ScooterFZR@XXXXXX said: I'm off to find Punxatawnie Phil right now. Anyone want a groundhog skin cap? :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 20:22:48 1999 Return-Path: bob_broeking@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send207.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA24310 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:22:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990310012631.5116.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.187.127] by send207.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:26:31 PST Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:26:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Broeking Subject: Daytona 200 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree 100%. It was my first superbike race in person and to have them go by you at 170mph+ on the straight was humbling. I did notice my average speed coming home from FL picked up after watching the race! :-) Bob 98 PC 800 ------- From: "Ursulina Viteri" Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:15:23 It was a great race. I was lucky to have been there see Miguel take thecheckered flag. Mat put up a great fight and in the end, was only behind Miguel by half a bike length I still can't get over howawesomeit is to see them take the sling shot turn into the embankments and hearthescream of their engine as they hit it to 185 mphs and it's all happeningright under your nose. Incredible. I strongly suggest that if you have the chance to get to Daytona duringbikeweek and race time, GO! You'll have a blast. Trust me. ;-)- - Ursulina == Bob Broeking in Springfield,VA http://whitespider.aawsom.net "I'll get the rope..."Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face of the Eiger, July 19th, 1936... bob_broeking@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 20:44:22 1999 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24634 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-119-141.s141.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.119.141]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13548 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:44:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <018701be6ab0$70867180$a034accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:42:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 And when I came back home from Daytona where bikes out numbered cars 4 to 1, riding on the beach without a lid was perfectly OK, and anything with 2 wheels was admired and appreciated, I ran to my little bike and gave it a hug. Oh the fun we're going to have this summer! :-) - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Bob Broeking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 5:28 PM Subject: Daytona 200 >I agree 100%. It was my first superbike race in person and to have >them go by you at 170mph+ on the straight was humbling. I did notice >my average speed coming home from FL picked up after watching the >race! :-) > >Bob > >98 PC 800 >------- >From: "Ursulina Viteri" >Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:15:23 > >It was a great race. I was lucky to have been there see Miguel take >thecheckered flag. Mat put up a great fight and in the end, was only >behind Miguel by half a bike length > >I still can't get over howawesomeit is to see them take the sling shot >turn into the embankments and hearthescream of their engine as they >hit it to 185 mphs and it's all happeningright under your nose. >Incredible. >I strongly suggest that if you have the chance to get to Daytona >duringbikeweek and race time, GO! You'll have a blast. Trust me. >;-)- - Ursulina > > > > >== >Bob Broeking in Springfield,VA http://whitespider.aawsom.net > "I'll get the rope..."Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face > of the Eiger, July 19th, 1936... bob_broeking@XXXXXX > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 21:56:20 1999 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25779 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA01946; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:53:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:53:55 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Virago for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Posting for a friend; please direct inquiries to her via phone. Thanks, Shannon FOR SALE 1992 Virago 750 3,300 miles Maroon in color All *original* parts Garaged Excellent condition, *never* dropped Asking $3,800 Please contact Muriel at (540) 937-7697. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 9 23:57:20 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27771 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA11747 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:57:15 -0500 Message-ID: <08d701be6ab2$042662a0$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Can't bear to look Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:53:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 From: Ray >So go pick it up! >Wouldn't you want someone to pick yours up before some other drunk >runs it over? My first thought too -- what to do to help, and what would I want done. Bemoaned the fact that there was little way to quickly locate the owner -- Calling D.C.'s finest would be flirting with disaster for the bike. Well, I went through the options about me, the bike, the owner. Main threads: I could do nothing to help the bike down for (I figured) a few hours -- it was already damaged, fluids leaked, but out of traffic. I might make damage worse. It might not stand up. If the bike is up, the owner might not realize it had been down and ailing if he is checking on it from a distance or starting it up. I have no place to put it, nonrunning. It is visible to anyone parking anew. Any notes left risk flying off, and there seemed to be no witnesses for my actions. If I did anything with it I could be accepting possible major responsibility. (And should the unknown owner come while I'm tending to it there's the small risk the situation might be difficult -- What are you doing to my bike?). With no connection to owner, and expecting he'd return soon, this all said -- I left it. It remains down going on three days, gathering snow on its cover. Tonight I did brush off the snow to make it visible and turned it to evade plows. A fellow across the street brushing off his car said he had seen the wind blow it over (hmmm). Hard to believe this bike has been left untended for three days on a D.C. street, though there may be more to tell. Suggestions entertained. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Bests for up and running soon, bro Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 00:18:58 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28096 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA07974; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:21:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:21:17 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: mobacc cc: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: Can't bear to look In-Reply-To: <08d701be6ab2$042662a0$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, mobacc wrote: > From: Ray > > My first thought too -- what to do to help, and what would I want done. > Bemoaned the fact that there was little way to quickly locate the owner -- > Calling D.C.'s finest would be flirting with disaster for the bike. > A lot of DCs cops ride motorcycles (and not just those funny looking sidecar jobs), so it might not be too far fetched to think that some kind soul would do something about it. I would have guessed that the parking meter vultures would have happened upon the bike by now and done something about it. But those would be fair weather vultures, wouldn't they? allbests, erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 09:20:46 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07424 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA24319; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:20:44 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023776; Wed, 10 Mar 99 09:19:00 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8D00L28UGRYW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256730.004E5570 ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:15:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:15:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Can't bear to look To: Erik Schelzig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256730.004E117E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Not to mention the snow emergency route vultures, during this time of year. --chris To: mobacc cc: Dc Cycles From: Erik Schelzig Date: 03/10/99 05:21:17 AM GMT Subject: Re: Can't bear to look On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, mobacc wrote: > From: Ray > > My first thought too -- what to do to help, and what would I want done. > Bemoaned the fact that there was little way to quickly locate the owner -- > Calling D.C.'s finest would be flirting with disaster for the bike. > A lot of DCs cops ride motorcycles (and not just those funny looking sidecar jobs), so it might not be too far fetched to think that some kind soul would do something about it. I would have guessed that the parking meter vultures would have happened upon the bike by now and done something about it. But those would be fair weather vultures, wouldn't they? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 09:33:34 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07581 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15449 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:32:50 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B105885F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Good electrical reference Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:32:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey all, This link came through on another list I'm on. It's a nice resource for tracking down electrical gremlins in m/c charging systems. Also has a good section on why/how charging systems work and they manufacture Voltage regulator/rectifier's for a lot of bikes... http://www.electrexusa.com/fault-finding-chart.html Hope it helps someone... Collin From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 09:35:26 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07670 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10Kk3a-0000Im-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:33:58 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27874 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NH58A>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:40:13 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED809@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: Dc Cycles Subject: RE: Can't bear to look Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:40:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > >So go pick it up! > >Wouldn't you want someone to pick yours up before some other drunk > >runs it over? > > > My first thought too -- what to do to help, and what would I > want done. > > > Suggestions entertained. I wouldnt touch it for the reasons you mentioned. If its not in any immediate threat of more damage than leave it sit. It was considerate of you to brush the snow off it so it would be seen by the plows. My $.02 Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 09:48:01 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07871 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08153; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:47:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: David Cross cc: Dc Cycles Subject: RE: Can't bear to look In-Reply-To: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED809@bdanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm... One possible way out of this bind would be to flag down or call an officer, and ask them to help you right the bike -- make sure they know you don't know who it belongs to -- they'll either be there in case of trouble, or advise you against it. The main risk with that tack would be if they decide for some reason to have it removed. -ph From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:14:28 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08273 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AC4F11A01FC; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:14:23 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:22:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: I "rode" home yesterday. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, I "rode" home yesterday. However, that was riding the Metro while my bike stayed garaged at the FAA. Hope I can get it home today! The main roads are okay, but I'll have about half a mile of snow-covered roads to get to the house. Any amazing tales from yesterday? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:30:34 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08577 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:30:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990310153102.20451.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web302.yahoomail.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:31:02 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:31:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pepe le Maxim also stayed warmly garaged at the DOT building last night while I rode the metro home :( If it weren't for brainless cagers out on the road, I probably would have ridden it home.... snow ain't so bad... it's ice that's nasty. It'll stay here again tonight too, cause I didn't bring my gear in :( Oh well.. better than letting it sit at home out in the weather I suppose... ---Chris Norloff wrote: > > Yes, I "rode" home yesterday. However, that was riding the Metro while my > bike stayed garaged at the FAA. Hope I can get it home today! The main > roads are okay, but I'll have about half a mile of snow-covered roads to > get to the house. > > Any amazing tales from yesterday? > > Chris Norloff > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:32:14 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08587 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hARCa15952; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:31:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:31:25 EST To: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Can't bear to look Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 my bike got knocked over twice while parked .... both times someone picked it up .... the first time it was a street guy who wanted a dollar for his services :D the second time I don't know who did it but whoever it was left the broken piece of my mirror sitting nicely on top of the gas tank ...... at any rate - both times I was glad it was vertical...... Marcy In a message dated 3/10/99 9:41:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, david@XXXXXX writes: > I wouldnt touch it for the reasons you mentioned. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:35:20 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08696 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AF4AD7600F8; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:27:06 EST Message-ID: <36E69114.2353F3A5@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:34:44 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , COG Subject: I need to rant Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies in advance for yelling. "WHY IS IT THAT THE FREEEEKIN INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL GLADLY TAKE YOUR MONEY TO INSURE A $8000 MOTORCYCLE AND THEN A YEAR LATER TELL YOU THEY ONLY THINK IT'S WORTH $6500 EVEN THOUGH YOU STILL OWE WAY MORE THAN THAT?!?!?!?! I'VE PAID FOR FULL COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLISION INSURANCE ON MY MOTORCYCLE AND IT WON'T EVEN PAY OFF MY LOAN? WTF?! WHAT A RACKET! I'M IN THE WRONG BUSINESS!!!" Essentially, they want to total my bike, pay off a portion of my loan, leave me with no motorcycle and still owing the finance company over $1000, and they wonder why I'm upset. Anyway, I'm not done with this yet. Wish me luck. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:38:59 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08712 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18423 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:38:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:38:51 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Any amazing tales from yesterday? I saw one bike out yesterday. The guy was wiggling up a pretty slick hill, outriggers down, and with a line of cars nervously sitting behind him. It was a dark blue VFR and the rider looked quite tall (say, 6'4"). Anyone on the list? :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:46:56 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08884 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA29222; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:46:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029176; Wed Mar 10 09:45:38 1999 Message-ID: <36E69356.C41ECA56@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:44:22 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. References: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After riding home in the snow earlier this year, I decided to wimp out yesterday (and today) and ride the metro both days. Maybe tomorrow I will be back to riding to work. May leave the FJ at home and take the Nighthawk out just in case.... Ed Chris Norloff wrote: > Yes, I "rode" home yesterday. However, that was riding the Metro while my > bike stayed garaged at the FAA. Hope I can get it home today! The main > roads are okay, but I'll have about half a mile of snow-covered roads to > get to the house. > > Any amazing tales from yesterday? > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:47:23 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08894 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5380BD@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:45:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) So how far did you have to take him home! LOL! Did he park the bike or did you guys take it with you? Glenn >I saw one bike out yesterday. The guy was wiggling up a pretty slick hill, >outriggers down, and with a line of cars nervously sitting behind him. It >was a dark blue VFR and the rider looked quite tall (say, 6'4"). Anyone on >the list? :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 10:50:24 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08983 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA00100; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:49:53 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990310154947.YGJZ7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:49:47 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:48:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be6b0d$600bb740$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal > Any amazing tales from yesterday? > > Chris Norloff > Yeah. I sat upstairs with a co-worker and watched from a window all the "hurry up and get home" federal workers sit on I395. I waited til around 5pm to leave and got home in about 35 minutes. Normal when I drive! HA! Driving TO work I saw 3 pile ups, one real bad on the FFax Parkway. Saw a BMW Coupe with its nose drilled into the gaurd rail in the S-bound lanes on I395. Still can't figure out how that happened. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:05:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09212 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8606DB01B6; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:05:52 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310110215.0181b9a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:06:26 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I need to rant In-Reply-To: <36E69114.2353F3A5@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:34 AM 3/10/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Apologies in advance for yelling. >"WHY IS IT THAT THE FREEEEKIN INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL GLADLY >TAKE YOUR MONEY TO INSURE A $8000 MOTORCYCLE AND THEN A YEAR >LATER TELL YOU THEY ONLY THINK IT'S WORTH $6500 EVEN THOUGH >YOU STILL OWE WAY MORE THAN THAT?!?!?!?! Car and bike loans follow the "Rule of 78's" which is hard for me to explain, but basically it means that you pay A LOT of interest up front and no (or almost no) principal. That combined with the devalution of a vehicle going from "new" to "used" means you're not the only one this has happened to. I recently had to go through this with my stepson's car and with my wife's truck. > I'VE PAID FOR FULL >COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLISION INSURANCE ON MY MOTORCYCLE AND IT >WON'T EVEN PAY OFF MY LOAN? WTF?! WHAT A RACKET! I'M IN THE >WRONG BUSINESS!!!" The insurance was for the bike, not for the loan. >Essentially, they want to total my bike, pay off a portion of >my loan, leave me with no motorcycle and still owing the finance >company over $1000, and they wonder why I'm upset. > >Anyway, I'm not done with this yet. Wish me luck. Good luck. What a lousy situation. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:09:12 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09240 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.nova.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19433 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:09:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:09:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5380BD@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM wrote: > >I saw one bike out yesterday. The guy was wiggling up a pretty slick hill, > >outriggers down, and with a line of cars nervously sitting behind him. It > >was a dark blue VFR and the rider looked quite tall (say, 6'4"). Anyone on > >the list? :) > > So how far did you have to take him home! LOL! Did he park the bike or > did you guys take it with you? He was pretty close to home, probably within a mile. He parked it at the gas station nearby. There are several hills along the way and one pretty steep descent that his house sits on. It could've been ugly! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:18:15 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09405 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA02826 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:03 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. In-Reply-To: <000601be6b0d$600bb740$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > Driving TO work I saw 3 pile ups, one real bad on the FFax Parkway. Saw a > BMW Coupe with its nose drilled into the gaurd rail in the S-bound lanes on > I395. Still can't figure out how that happened. Well... as the owner of a BMW Z3, I can tell you it's REALLY easy to do that. The stock tires on BMW's are wide performance tires (mine are 235/17) which reduce your lb per sq. inch on the contact patch to almost nill. They also are not very deep grooved.. In the snow (even a dusting) these are pretty much the equivalent of having skis attached to your car. Even with BMW's computer controlled traction stuff, it's scary. I tried to run out to the store yesterday to grab some food for diner - it was an adventure. If you want to drive these things in the snow, you have to invest in a nice set of Blizaks on narrow rims - they work great. Unfortunatly, it seems most of the people in this area who buy BMW's read "traction control" in the owners manual and seem to think this means you can drive in anything. :( - Brian '98 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:18:50 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09415 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA14014 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:18:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv11-26.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.26) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013845; Wed Mar 10 10:17:36 1999 Message-ID: <001701be6b11$3c525f80$1a5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "'dc'" Subject: Lucky Bastards ;) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:15:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6AE7.51E98280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6AE7.51E98280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After getting to ride most of last week, I have an official 14" here, = and I live on a private drive on which I do not pay for plowing, thats = what 4wd is for ;)... Poor bike isnt going to see pavement for a while = I am afraid..Gotta get it out soon though, Inspection is due this = month... Oh well.....Thank God for whiskey and good cigars... I will let = you know when the mountain and Summit Point are reasonably snow and ice = free.... Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6AE7.51E98280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After getting to ride most of last = week, I have=20 an official 14" here, and I live on a private drive on which I do = not pay=20 for plowing, thats what 4wd is for ;)...  Poor bike isnt going to = see=20 pavement for a while I am afraid..Gotta get it out soon though, = Inspection is=20 due this month... Oh well.....Thank God for whiskey and good cigars... I = will=20 let you know when the mountain and Summit Point are reasonably snow and = ice=20 free....
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6AE7.51E98280-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:29:56 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09605 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA02855; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:29:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:29:48 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: Chris Norloff cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: I need to rant In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310110215.0181b9a0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Car and bike loans follow the "Rule of 78's" which is hard for me to > explain, but basically it means that you pay A LOT of interest up front and > no (or almost no) principal. That combined with the devalution of a > vehicle going from "new" to "used" means you're not the only one this has > happened to. I recently had to go through this with my stepson's car and > with my wife's truck. What dealer/bank did you go to that gave you a 'rule of 78's' loan? I haven't had one of those in years. Almost all car and truck loans are now 'simple interest' loans, where you're paying the same principle/interest amount every month. I helped my Ex buy a used miata last weekend, and even on that she got a simple-interest. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:41:44 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09778 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:41:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990310164250.4238.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web310.yahoomail.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:42:50 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Can't bear to look To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There was a motorcycle (81 or 83 Honda 750 Nighthawk) that was parked next to mine at my apartment complex for well over 6 months. I never saw the owner, and never saw the bike moved. A few times the ratty cover blew off and I would put it back on the bike. One of these times I noticed that the tags were expired. Eventually the cover was litterally rags and the bike was exposed to the elements. The apartment head of security saw me at my bike one day and asked me about the Nighthawk. I told him what I knew, and asked what he would do with it. He mentioned that they contact the local police to see if the bike was stolen, or who the last owner was. If it appears abandoned, the police then picks it up and usually auctions it off. About 3 weeks ago the bike was gone. I hope it finds a better owner. Louis ---David Cross wrote: > > > >So go pick it up! > > >Wouldn't you want someone to pick yours up before some other drunk > > >runs it over? > > > > > > My first thought too -- what to do to help, and what would I > > want done. > > > > > > Suggestions entertained. > > > I wouldnt touch it for the reasons you mentioned. If its not in any > immediate threat of more damage than leave it sit. It was considerate > of you to brush the snow off it so it would be seen by the plows. > > My $.02 > > Dave Cross > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:46:48 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09949 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14419; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:46:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199903101646.LAA14419@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Brian Roach , DC Cycles List Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:44:28 -0500 Subject: Re: I need to rant Priority: normal References: <4.1.19990310110215.0181b9a0@mail.toward.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 10 Mar 99, at 11:29, Brian Roach wrote: > What dealer/bank did you go to that gave you a 'rule of 78's' loan? I > haven't had one of those in years. Almost all car and truck loans are now > 'simple interest' loans, where you're paying the same principle/interest > amount every month. I helped my Ex buy a used miata last weekend, and even > on that she got a simple-interest. Actually, "Rule of 78's" loans are still quite common.. not necesarily at banks, but with finance companies. My loan on my XT was with Greentree Financial, and it was a "Rule of 78's" loan. Motorcycles (and RV's, boats, etc.) can be hard to get a loan on... and if you go to a finance company not only do you wind up with a less competitive interest rate, but you get the interest front loaded as well. I was glad to be able to go through my bank for the GPZ. Anita (motorcycle riding accountant!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:54:55 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10038 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA02935; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:54:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: I need to rant In-Reply-To: <199903101646.LAA14419@radagast.wizard.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Anita Lauro wrote: > Actually, "Rule of 78's" loans are still quite common.. not > necesarily at banks, but with finance companies. My loan on my > XT was with Greentree Financial, and it was a "Rule of 78's" loan. > Motorcycles (and RV's, boats, etc.) can be hard to get a loan on... > and if you go to a finance company not only do you wind up with a > less competitive interest rate, but you get the interest front loaded > as well. I was glad to be able to go through my bank for the GPZ. > > Anita Wow... I had no idea. I feel lucky now :) I haven't had a "rule of 78's" since my very first car. I don't think I'd purchase a vehicle unless I could get a simple-interest loan on it. The pay-all-the-interest-first thing really hurts, especially at trade-in time (Got burned on that aforementioned first vehicle). Though I guess if you don't have a choice due to some circumstance, it's better than walking. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:56:07 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10051 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA29087; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:55:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:55:59 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. Message-ID: <19990310115559.A28820@cosanostra.net> References: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com>; from Chris Norloff on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 10:22:22AM -0500 X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR And thus spake Chris Norloff, on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 10:22:22AM -0500: > Yes, I "rode" home yesterday. However, that was riding the Metro while my > bike stayed garaged at the FAA. Hope I can get it home today! The main > roads are okay, but I'll have about half a mile of snow-covered roads to > get to the house. > > Any amazing tales from yesterday? My truck had enough fun up in Bowie. Had controlled runs off the road twice, on the way to and from C&M Cycles. Anybody know if any tire makers make bike mountable equivalents of the graspics and blizzaks? That might be kinda fun...tires that stick to ice like normal rubber sticks to pavement. -- Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 11:58:26 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10153 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:58:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990310170016.7331.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web304.yahoomail.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:00:16 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: I need to rant To: Brian Roach , Chris Norloff Cc: DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As Anita mentioned, I think these type loans are still pretty common... That's all I could find for my truck at the time :( ---Brian Roach wrote: > What dealer/bank did you go to that gave you a 'rule of 78's' loan? I > haven't had one of those in years. Almost all car and truck loans are now > 'simple interest' loans, where you're paying the same principle/interest > amount every month. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:02:42 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10246 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:02:40 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id gXUCa23192; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:02:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3cf4ee60.36e6a589@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:02:01 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, COG@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I need to rant Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 um......*ducking* :D maybe there's interest on the loan that the insurance co. doesn't count as "value" of the bike? just to be clear however - insurance companies make me insane too :D Marcy In a message dated 3/10/99 10:40:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > INSURE A $8000 MOTORCYCLE AND THEN A YEAR > LATER TELL YOU THEY ONLY THINK IT'S WORTH $6500 EVEN THOUGH > YOU STILL OWE WAY MORE THAN THAT?!?!?!?! I'VE PAID FOR FULL > COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLISION INSURANCE ON MY MOTORCYCLE AND IT > WON'T EVEN PAY OFF MY LOAN? From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:10:02 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10347 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:10:01 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id kAESa09662; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:04:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:04:31 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 a friend of mine rode home yesterday DOWN Independence from Capitol Hill and executed what he called " a perfect, graceful, choreographed fall which left not a scratch on the bike or rider" and then apparently some guy in a nearby car who witnessed it hung his head out the window to compliment the skill and grace of the fall as he'd been a motocycle courier himself and thus understood................ :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:12:10 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10421 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18174; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:12:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199903101712.MAA18174@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Collin T. Fagan" , DC Cycles List Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:09:56 -0500 Subject: Re: I need to rant Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990310170016.7331.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) The amount of interest paid over the life of the loan is pretty much the same.. only hurts you if you total the vehicle, or want to trade it in before the loan is paid off. But, given a choice, a simple interest loan is always the best way to go! Anita On 10 Mar 99, at 9:00, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > As Anita mentioned, I think these type loans are still pretty common... > That's all I could find for my truck at the time :( > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:17:33 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10516 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18945; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:17:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199903101717.MAA18945@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Brian Roach , DC Cycles List Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:15:17 -0500 Subject: Re: I need to rant Priority: normal References: <199903101646.LAA14419@radagast.wizard.net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 10 Mar 99, at 11:54, Brian Roach wrote: > Wow... I had no idea. I feel lucky now :) I haven't had a "rule of 78's" > since my very first car. I don't think I'd purchase a vehicle unless I > could get a simple-interest loan on it. The pay-all-the-interest-first > thing really hurts, especially at trade-in time (Got burned on that > aforementioned first vehicle). Though I guess if you don't have a choice > due to some circumstance, it's better than walking. Well, in any loan you pay more interest in the beginning.. so you can wind up in bad shape with a simple interest loan as well. The "Rule of 78's" calculation just shifts even more interest to the beginning of the loan. You still do pay off principal each month, just less at the beginning. The worst is mortgages of course... been paying for 10 years on my condo, and I don't think I've paid off more than $3-4K in principal. Ugh! Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:37:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10899 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:37:22 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA26851; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:38:26 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027741; Wed, 10 Mar 99 11:39:03 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8E00LB90Y79R@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256730.005B2B66 ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:35:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:34:23 -0500 Subject: Re: I need to rant To: Chris Norloff Cc: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List Message-id: <85256730.005AC6BB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what "gap insurance" is for? Any insurance experts on the list that can step up and explain that? --chris To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List cc: From: Chris Norloff Date: 03/10/99 04:06:26 PM GMT Subject: Re: I need to rant At 10:34 AM 3/10/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Apologies in advance for yelling. >"WHY IS IT THAT THE FREEEEKIN INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL GLADLY >TAKE YOUR MONEY TO INSURE A $8000 MOTORCYCLE AND THEN A YEAR >LATER TELL YOU THEY ONLY THINK IT'S WORTH $6500 EVEN THOUGH >YOU STILL OWE WAY MORE THAN THAT?!?!?!?! Car and bike loans follow the "Rule of 78's" which is hard for me to explain, but basically it means that you pay A LOT of interest up front and no (or almost no) principal. That combined with the devalution of a vehicle going from "new" to "used" means you're not the only one this has happened to. I recently had to go through this with my stepson's car and with my wife's truck. > I'VE PAID FOR FULL >COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLISION INSURANCE ON MY MOTORCYCLE AND IT >WON'T EVEN PAY OFF MY LOAN? WTF?! WHAT A RACKET! I'M IN THE >WRONG BUSINESS!!!" The insurance was for the bike, not for the loan. >Essentially, they want to total my bike, pay off a portion of >my loan, leave me with no motorcycle and still owing the finance >company over $1000, and they wonder why I'm upset. > >Anyway, I'm not done with this yet. Wish me luck. Good luck. What a lousy situation. Chris Norloff ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:50:32 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11183 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5C88J3G; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:02 EST To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Powersports Experiences From rec.moto Message-ID: <19990307.121803.4855.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990308151615.01aa8a40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-6,8,13-14 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:02 EST Things will change here, and sooner than later. Keep the faith. If you all will permit me one plug, our parts department is interested in competing with other dealers and with mail order pricing. Give them a call. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:20:00 -0500 "Mike Troutman" writes: >Because all of the other dealers around here have a crappy selection. I really need >a new jacket, and I went to Cycle Sport in Herndon. Know what they have? 3 used >leathers and some offroad jerseys. I told one of the guys I was going to have to go >to Colemans if he didn't get some product in, and he said the same thing he said >last year "Yeah, I really need to do that." ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:50:39 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11185 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5C88J6M; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:02 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, COG@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I need to rant Message-ID: <19990307.121803.4855.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <36E69114.2353F3A5@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-37 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:02 EST So...uh...what exactly are you trying to say? Don't sugarcoat it. Say what you feel... :) But seriously, go get 'em Killer! JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:34:44 -0500 Dale Horstman writes: >Apologies in advance for yelling. > > > >"WHY IS IT THAT THE FREEEEKIN INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL GLADLY >TAKE YOUR MONEY TO INSURE A $8000 MOTORCYCLE AND THEN A YEAR >LATER TELL YOU THEY ONLY THINK IT'S WORTH $6500 EVEN THOUGH >YOU STILL OWE WAY MORE THAN THAT?!?!?!?! I'VE PAID FOR FULL >COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLISION INSURANCE ON MY MOTORCYCLE AND IT >WON'T EVEN PAY OFF MY LOAN? WTF?! WHAT A RACKET! I'M IN THE >WRONG BUSINESS!!!" > > > >Essentially, they want to total my bike, pay off a portion of >my loan, leave me with no motorcycle and still owing the finance >company over $1000, and they wonder why I'm upset. > >Anyway, I'm not done with this yet. Wish me luck. > >Dale >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now >1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:53:57 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11212 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 Mar 1999 17:53:55 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25941 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:53:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:53:43 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I need to rant In-Reply-To: <85256730.005AC6BB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what "gap insurance" is for? Any > insurance experts on the list that can step up and explain that? > > --chris > No no, gap insurance is for when you walk into overpriced, trendy stores, and end up buying more clothes than you intended. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:56:04 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11225 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:55:31 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F2312@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: Non-moto Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:55:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Since I can't be out on the motorcycle, I had to channel all my motorcycle depravation energy into tearing up the parking lots last night with the SUV. What a blast! I took the backroads from Vienna to Tyson's to pick up my cousin, and we drove out to Wolf Trap to do doughnut's in the wide open parking lots. On the way back, the high school parking lot offered up some wide open space that couldn't be passed up. We were doing doughnut's in both 2WD and 4WD; and we found that 4WD produced better snow "wakes". However, for the nice tight spirals, 2WD was the preferred selection. I concur with strangling the little Pennsylvania rodent. Going through bike withdrawal. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:58:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11299 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:58:47 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id RAA26942; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:54:30 GMT Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma026504; Wed, 10 Mar 99 17:53:05 GMT Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8E00LOM4EV38@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:55:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 80256730.006262FB ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:54:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:46:25 -0500 Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256730.00617B52.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It damn near does mean that for those of us with Audi Quattros. :-) --chris (sorry no more car jabs on the bike list) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Brian Roach Date: 03/10/99 04:18:03 PM GMT Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. Unfortunatly, it seems most of the people in this area who buy BMW's read "traction control" in the owners manual and seem to think this means you can drive in anything. :( ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 12:59:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11334 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A2F5410028C; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:59:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310130120.01830e70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:02:22 -0500 To: Elie Rosenblum From: Chris Norloff Subject: graspics and blizzaks Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990310115559.A28820@cosanostra.net> References: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:55 AM 3/10/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: >Anybody know if any tire makers make bike mountable equivalents of the >graspics and blizzaks? That might be kinda fun...tires that stick to >ice like normal rubber sticks to pavement. >Elie Rosenblum How do they do that? Are they just rubber tires, or do they have some sort of traction feature (spikes, studs, etc.)? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 13:00:56 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11416 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:59:55 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:59:52 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:03:11 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rosenc@XXXXXX Subject: Valkyrie -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Wow. Seems to me a Valkyrie and a Harley have almost nothing to do with each other. If he likes a big, smooth, stonking motor, it ain't the Harley. If he wants a Harley, the Valk ain't it. Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 13:04:43 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11455 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:04:40 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id SAA00087; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:00:23 GMT Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029374; Wed, 10 Mar 99 17:59:12 GMT Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8E001UV4R24J@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 80256730.00631218 ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:02:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:53:06 -0500 Subject: Re: I "rode" home yesterday. To: Elie Rosenblum Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256730.00625C42.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Anyone know of a source for ice-racing tires? If you could put those screws on both sides of the tires, you'd out-handle everything on the road! =^) Chris Weaver And thus spake Chris Norloff, on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 10:22:22AM -0500: > Yes, I "rode" home yesterday. However, that was riding the Metro while my > bike stayed garaged at the FAA. Hope I can get it home today! The main > roads are okay, but I'll have about half a mile of snow-covered roads to > get to the house. > > Any amazing tales from yesterday? My truck had enough fun up in Bowie. Had controlled runs off the road twice, on the way to and from C&M Cycles. Anybody know if any tire makers make bike mountable equivalents of the graspics and blizzaks? That might be kinda fun...tires that stick to ice like normal rubber sticks to pavement. -- Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 13:14:01 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11636 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA29054; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:12:29 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990310181252.CXPU7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:12:52 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Elie Rosenblum" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:11:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be6b21$5c97fd30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19990310115559.A28820@cosanostra.net> Importance: Normal Prestone makes a sprayable wood resin that is directly applied to the tires. Made for cages in icy conditions and is said to last about 20 minutes. If someone could set up a Scotoiler system with this stuff to spray onto your moving tires, AND keep it off your bike, I bet it'd work just fine. http://www.sltrib.com/krt/carw/html/3.htm http://www.prestone.com/car/index.html Todd Elie Rosenblum wrote: > > Anybody know if any tire makers make bike mountable equivalents of the > graspics and blizzaks? That might be kinda fun...tires that stick to > ice like normal rubber sticks to pavement. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 13:27:51 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11943 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:26:45 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:26:38 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:29:52 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, shephar1@XXXXXX Subject: Lucky Bastards ;) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Ken wrote: " I will let you know when the mountain and Summit Point are reasonably snow and ice free...." Good. I've got enough to do before Tune & Test Day (4/1) without having to stud the damn tires . . . Joe RD 400 F From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 14:03:21 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12584 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:02:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Going Home . . . on a Motorcycle . . . after 8 inches of sn ow fell . . . on DC Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:02:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The meteorological prognostication Tuesday morning was for light snow late that afternoon. Knowing that light snow was no big deal, and there had been sun in the morning (warm streets) I rode my Sabre (1985 V 700 S). By 10, a dusting covered car roofs but the streets were clear. No problema. By noon, the snow was sticking to the streets. A quick check on Radar Weather: http://www.accuweather.com and http://www.weather.com/weather/radar/single_site/MD_College_Park.html showed the storm was limited in area and only light to moderate in intensity. I guessed it should finish by maybe 2:00 and decided to bail then: after the noon rush finished and before the evening rush. But woe. As you all know, we Federales were given an "early out" starting at 2:00. Damn, if I was going to join that melee. So, I decided to wait, finish up a review, and leave around 4:00. A 4:00 peek showed plenty of traffic and still snowing. At 4:30 a peek out the window revealed heavier snow; radar Weather suggested it was stopping and intensifying. It was time to do something. Options: 1. Leave the bike parked on the street, ride Metro home. Good for me, bad for bike if snowplow - car nails it, parking ticket, possible towing. Fergitaboutit 2. Find covered parking & ride Metro home. Hmmm, 3. Ride bike home. =:^O First, I removed the Tracy Shield and took it to my office. If the bike dumped, a cold shield would shatter and I didn't plan to go fast enough to need a shield. I was also concerned about righting the Sabre if it fell. The center of gravity is high and it's a booger to aright - grandmothers can raise the porkier Goldwing, but not the top-heavy Sabre. Next, was getting the bike over the berm of snow. Much kicking, rocking and nudging got it onto K street. I headed for a garage that Leon had recommended. After mushing through the slush to 12 & K I went in. Whoops, wrong garage (checking records, it's the one at 12 & L -- sigh) Thus, option 3: Ride bike home. K Street, has side lanes for making left turns and parking. They're protected from the main road by a concrete berm. I stayed on the north one, headed east. The north lane gets some sun and the snow was nice gushy slush. Hey, this could be fun. I chose to go straight up Connecticut because it would have gotten the most sun (less ice) and just might have had a plow run over it, or at least the most traffic to stir and warm the slush. Even on overcast days, some IR comes through clouds and heats the roadway. The right turn onto Connecticut was easy but the four blocks up to Dupont Circle were hairy - the buildings shade all but the midday sun so the slush was heavy, icy, and slick. I almost dumped when I went into a slush-hidden manhole dip and again on some pavement ripples. The pucker factor was getting high. There were several issues: If I dumped, I'd prefer to dump at 10 MPH, than 25 MPH. Also, since stopping was iffy, I needed to keep my speed down. However, I needed the gyroscopic stability of the rotating wheels, and too low an engine speed could deplete the battery. I compromised on keeping in first gear, keeping rpm's around 3500 which gave me an indicated speed of 15 mph. I just had to be ee-zee with the throttle as a sudden blip (up or down) in first gear would break traction in a blink. Through the bumpy-slick-stuff I kept my feet down, skimming the slush, and my speed to about 5 - 10 mph. Admonitions to keep feet on the pegs were in my head -- If the bike really went over, there was no chance my legs would keep it up, but there were several ripples in the pavement that I believe holding my legs down kept me upright. Also, speeding up for stability here was not a choice; there was beau coup slow traffic and red lights at every intersection. Stopping at traffic lights was iffy even from 10 MPH, as was starting. BTW, only in a slow slick situation like this is it best to use more rear brake than front brake. I was fighting years of habit to do that. I opted to go under Dupont Circle because, it was straight, I could rev the engine (to charge), and miss the glop going around, but was worried about the traction climbing out. It turned out that the south facing up ramp had fine traction (thank you Mr. Sun) and all was well until the shady curved area approaching the bridge over Rock Creek. Contrary to my worries, the bridge turned out to be a piece of cake, the new concrete roadway is transversely grooved and got enough sun in the morning that the slush hadn't frozen. Up to Chevy Chase Circle, Connecticut Ave was a cycle of slush and more slush. I settled in, relaxing my hands on the bars, feet on the pegs, and being "one with the bike". I kept up an infrequent pulsing of the brake light by using my loosely adjusted rear brake in the belief that it would both raise my visibility and convince approaching cagers there was a nut case ahead worthy of avoiding. As I neared the approaches to Nebraska Ave and to Military Road I noticed funny stuff under the slush. There, were tan strips under the slush; concrete pavement? Sumbitch, that's ice!! Connecticut is downhill going North at those intersections so those slopes get less sun and I was in colder territory than down town. More puckering. The drivers seemed to be more aggressive too. Their attitude seemed to be "I'm close to home so, Get TF Outta My Way". I navigated Chevy Chase Circle at 5 - 10 MPH, legs out both for stability and to ward off the increasingly aggressive cagers that might crowd me, and entered Maryland. Maryland and beneficent Montgomery County that had run a snow plow through it's portion of Connecticut Ave. There was still slush but much less than south of the circle. The remaining three miles to home were easier. On Bradley Blvd. I whizzed along at 25 MPH. Whenever I noticed a line headlights behind me, I'd pull to the side and let them by in hopes the cagers might return the favor some sunny day. Three blocks from home, climbing a slope on a residential street, I ran out of traction and was caught between a rut and a big, steep, whopping-gutter. Shit. I put the side stand down, got gently off, and began kicking slush and snow from under and around the bike. Happily, there was no underlying ice so I manhandled the rear wheel up to more level pavement. Traction regained, I mushed, rocked, and nudged the bike through the rutted streets to my driveway. There at the entrance a berm of snow left by a plow - and 8 inches of virginal snow over the pavement finally halted me. I stopped, shed the Stich, shoveled the drive way and pushed Rocin the last 30 feet. Good boy, you kept your rubber side down. Carl in Bethesda, who is considering changing his sig from: Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! to: Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and a leetle snow, but no ice nor big honkin' snow! From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 14:19:44 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12862 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A5CB74401B6; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:19:39 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310142008.0183b7b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:22:19 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Going Home . . . on a Motorcycle . . . after 8 inches of snow fell . . . on DC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:02 PM 3/10/99 , Custer, Carl wrote: >The meteorological prognostication Tuesday morning was for light snow late >that afternoon. Knowing that light snow was no big deal, and there had been >sun in the morning (warm streets) I rode my Sabre (1985 V 700 S). ha ha ha! I believed those forecasts, too. ... >Through the bumpy-slick-stuff I kept my feet down, skimming the slush, and >my speed to about 5 - 10 mph. ... What a great story, and glad you made it home okay! > There at the entrance a berm of snow left by a plow - and 8 >inches of virginal snow over the pavement finally halted me. I stopped, >shed the Stich, shoveled the drive way and pushed Rocin the last 30 feet. Rocinante? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 14:39:08 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13248 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:39:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990310194100.28364.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web304.yahoomail.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:41:00 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:41:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Going Home . . . on a Motorcycle . . . after 8 inches of snow fell . . . on DC To: Chris Norloff , "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another RUSH fan??? :) > Rocinante? > > Chris Norloff > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 14:42:00 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13270 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA01719; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:41:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:41:54 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: graspics and blizzaks Message-ID: <19990310144153.A1644@cosanostra.net> References: <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@mail.toward.com> <19990310115559.A28820@cosanostra.net> <4.1.19990310130120.01830e70@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990310130120.01830e70@mail.toward.com>; from Chris Norloff on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 01:02:22PM -0500 X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR And thus spake Chris Norloff, on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 01:02:22PM -0500: > At 11:55 AM 3/10/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: > >Anybody know if any tire makers make bike mountable equivalents of the > >graspics and blizzaks? That might be kinda fun...tires that stick to > >ice like normal rubber sticks to pavement. > >Elie Rosenblum > > How do they do that? Are they just rubber tires, or do they have some sort > of traction feature (spikes, studs, etc.)? It's apparently some specially constructed rubber structure that sticks _really_ well to ice. I don't really know much in the way of detail as to how they work, though. Apparently they use this compound down to somewhere around 50% of the tread, beyond which it's just a normal all weather tire. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 14:43:40 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13362 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A988327013C; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:35:36 EST Message-ID: <36E6CB52.28391BFE@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:43:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "cog@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Insurance (was: I need to rant) References: <19990310134014535-1eea1dd6@watsonwyatt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spencer Farrow wrote: > Most policies are for "market value." That means that they'll pay > you book value at most for the totaled bike. That is evidently the policy I have - with GEICO. They will pay only the market value of my one-year old bike with an "extremely high" 27K miles. If that happens, I am seriously upside-down on my loan, and the difference would have to come out of my pocket (FWIW, Greentree Financial absolutely does not deal with totalled bikes - I'd be responsible for the full balance all at once, so I'm told.) That sucks big time. My big issue is that I have repeatedly stated to the adjuster that I do not believe the damage adjustment is accurate, and that this bike should not be totalled. I said big words like "insurance fraud" to the GEICO adjuster on the phone and got his attention. I'll probably have to get another estimate somewhere else to prove my claim. Like I said, I haven't given up yet. Anyway, maybe this can be a warning for some of you other folks who are financing bikes - call up your insurance co. and play some "what-if" games - if I was given an option of a "replacement value" policy, I might go ahead and pay a bit more for the piece of mind. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 15:14:38 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13877 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA27669; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:14:30 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA05233; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:14:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:14:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MARRC Race Emergency School Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those interested in being a corner worker the race emergency scholl is being held Sunday March 14. You can get the details at http://marrc.nova.org/index.htm or more specifically http://marrc.nova.org/res.htm . Hope to see you there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 15:30:35 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14211 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6665B5028C; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:30:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310153044.01840420@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:32:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: graspics and blizzaks In-Reply-To: <19990310144153.A1644@cosanostra.net> References: <4.1.19990310130120.01830e70@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@XXXXXX> <4.1.19990310102033.017ebf10@XXXXXX> <19990310115559.A28820@XXXXXX> <4.1.19990310130120.01830e70@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:41 PM 3/10/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: >It's apparently some specially constructed rubber structure that sticks >_really_ well to ice. I don't really know much in the way of detail as >to how they work, though. Apparently they use this compound down to >somewhere around 50% of the tread, beyond which it's just a normal all >weather tire. Neat. I've heard of Continental making a winter tire - it was made of a special rubber that stayed soft at cold temperatures (to grip better), and didn't warm up with driving (to avoid melting snow) and had little fingers inside the tread grooves to work the snow out as the tire flexed. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 15:30:35 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14210 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6655B5028C; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:30:29 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990310153001.01840e30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:33:08 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Going Home . . . on a Motorcycle . . . after 8 inches of snow fell . . . on DC In-Reply-To: <19990310194100.28364.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don Quixote! (That was the name of his horse, if I spelled it correctly). Chris Norloff At 02:41 PM 3/10/99 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Another RUSH fan??? :) > >> Rocinante? >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> >> >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 16:50:56 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15719 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:50:10 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:50:02 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:53:28 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cherry blossom festival -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline "somehow the loud rumbling of pipes and the spewing of exhaust fumes into the air somehow just don't seem to be a good fit with delicate, fragrant cherry blossoms" Yes! One wouldn't want a bunch of nasty biker types distracting one from experiencing the Basin's bumper-to-bumper traffic, the diesel fumes of the trucks and busses, the drivers screaming obscenities at one another. Let's not scare away the tourists! ;-}- Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 17:45:57 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16749 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:45:08 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:45:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:48:12 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Powersports Experiences From rec.moto -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mike wrote: "Looks like we are stuck with mail order or driving long distance to better shops (like to Indiana) until some super store comes in and cleans up the dealers with a little competition." Nah. Just come a little south and visit Moto Europa. Small shop, but lotsa stuff helmet and leather-wise, good prices, good benchracing, cool old bikes, new Ducatis, free coffee. They's good people. See www.motoeuropa.com. Joe Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 19:01:55 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18023 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from dc-p1-06.min.net (dc-p1-06.min.net [208.210.93.165]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06113 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:01:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:00:46 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After arriving home, I siezed the opportunity to take out my two wheeler as well.... I took the one with pedals!! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 20:59:20 1999 Return-Path: bob_broeking@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19912 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:59:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990311020103.8223.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.117.173] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:01:03 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:01:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Broeking Subject: Daytona Beach Fl Trip Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Louis Caplan has accused me of being a lurker on the Dc Cycles list. :-) I prefer to see myself as a semi lurker. At any rate, I'll introduce myself at his proding. I moved back to DC in Jul 98, bought a 98 Honda Pacific Coast and commute daily from Springfield to the Pentagon. This is my second and probably not my last tour in the area. I almost feel like a native! Last weekend I took off for Daytona Beach Fl for what would be my longest rides of my short motorcycling career. I did 1800 miles over two riding days with two days spent at Bike Week. I am written a trip report and rather than take up bandwidth, I have posted it at my web site with some graphics of the route. I am following in Louis', Dale's, and Leon's footsteps into the Iron Butt Association.... verification pending. Bob If you are interested, go to: Http://whitespider.aawsom.net and click on the motorcycle page. It is listed near the bottom under Trip Reports (SS1000). Cheers Bob == Bob Broeking in Springfield,VA http://whitespider.aawsom.net "I'll get the rope..."Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face of the Eiger, July 19th, 1936... bob_broeking@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 21:21:30 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20358 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.26.165] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A6CAE980112; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:13:30 EST Message-ID: <36E728D5.645C95CB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:22:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Broeking CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona Beach Fl Trip Report References: <19990311020103.8223.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Broeking wrote: > I am following in Louis', Dale's, and Leon's footsteps into the Iron > Butt Association.... verification pending. Bob Bob, Don't forget Mike Jordan and Todd Peer and Sean Sullivan, and probably one or two others I don't know about yet. This country sure does seem a bit smaller after you've done one or two of these rides. :) Nice write up! Congrats on the (pending) SaddleSore. And nice to have met you in person. Like you said, funny I had to go all the way to Daytona to do it. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 10 23:55:13 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22749 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:41:31 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: I "rode" home yesterday. Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:42:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be6b79$83f46780$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <000601be6b0d$600bb740$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Driving TO work I saw 3 pile ups, one real bad on the FFax Parkway. Saw a > BMW Coupe with its nose drilled into the gaurd rail in the > S-bound lanes on > I395. Still can't figure out how that happened. Learn to drive on front drive Civics and Camrys. Buy a rear drive sports coupe/sedan, and learn what oversteer is. I learned on a CJ-5. Fun. Especially in off-camber situations:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 07:31:47 1999 Return-Path: RLucas@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00575 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from lantd5ex.lantd5.uscg.mil ([10.20.16.58]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29071 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by LANTD5EX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: <520492586C42D2118CD000A0C906B3F3617F24@BALTHAWEX1> From: "Lucas, Raymond CPO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Another M/C museum webpage Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:24:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > http://www.allenmuseum.com/shadow.htm > Some great pictures of vintage bikes. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 08:08:13 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01106 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:08:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s34.wizard.net [206.161.15.64]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16354 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:08:16 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:10:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be6bc0$97da1fa0$400fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <85256730.005AC6BB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Has anyone actually gotten gap insurance on a loan? I know it's a common feature of auto leases (which in themselves give a whole new meaning to "upside down" if you total the vehicle in the first year or so). Anita > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:34 AM > To: Chris Norloff > Cc: Dale Horstman; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: I need to rant > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what "gap insurance" is for? Any > insurance experts on the list that can step up and explain that? > > --chris From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 09:18:14 1999 Return-Path: maxbiaggi2@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com ([128.11.68.129]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02110 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:18:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990311141928.1176.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [131.171.245.167] by send205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:19:28 PST Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:19:28 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Wakefield Subject: Virtual Moto Racing. . . To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can't possibly be the only one here "juvenile" enough to have tried this but. . . Last summer I picked up a used Sega Genesis from a pawn shop for $15. (The whole market has dropped out from under the 16-bit game systems since the 32-bit stuff came out.) Among the games I've picked up for it since then (for $2-$3 apiece) are Super Hang-On and Road Rash III. For those unfamiliar with these, they're both superbike roadracing games, and Road Rash even allows you to run your opponents off the road, hit pedestrians, and strike the competition with clubs, pipes, chains, etc. This stuff is simply hilarious, so I can't believe I've never seen a game system like this set up at any of the dc cycle parties I've been to. You folks don't know what you're missing. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 09:33:25 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02348 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:33:23 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA15882; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:34:31 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014928; Thu, 11 Mar 99 09:32:10 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8F009T3PQQF2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256731.004F8CFC ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:28:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:28:54 -0500 Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256731.004F493D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yes, I bought a new car in October and have gap ins. on it through USAA. I never asked about gap ins. for the bike since it is payed off. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Date: 03/11/99 01:10:53 PM GMT Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. Has anyone actually gotten gap insurance on a loan? I know it's a common feature of auto leases (which in themselves give a whole new meaning to "upside down" if you total the vehicle in the first year or so). Anita > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:34 AM > To: Chris Norloff > Cc: Dale Horstman; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: I need to rant > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what "gap insurance" is for? Any > insurance experts on the list that can step up and explain that? > > --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 09:47:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02600 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA24144; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:47:51 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022469; Thu, 11 Mar 99 09:44:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8F00BU0QBN6K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256731.0050B267 ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:41:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:37:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Virtual Moto Racing. . . To: Dave Wakefield Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256731.00506E82.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I have a Sony Playstation with the games Road Rash 3D and Moto Racer 2. Of the two, I'd have to say I prefer Road Rash 3D. Moto Racer is a racing simulator in which you race either road bikes or dirt bikes. The game play is very twitchy and fast and it's hard to ride smoothly. If you don't crash, the competitor bikes are far too slow. If you do crash (and you will), it's very hard to win a race. Road Rash 3D is very different. It's a racing game, but more along the lines of a Sunday group-ride race. Ride at full throttle through towns, mow down pedestrians, whack other bikers with 2x4s, wheelie over cars, etc. Very fun. If you're not worried about winning the races, you can also take a side trip on any road you want and take a leisurely ride around the countryside with no other bikes to worry about. It's possible to low-side and high-side (high-siding is hilarious), slide the rear end, and wheelie. You can choose from four different styles of bikes (Rat, Sport, Race, and Cruiser) in each of three levels. This is by far the better of the two games. If you have a PC, check out the new SBK: World Superbike Championship. It's supposed to be fantastic, but very system-hungry. Check the system requirements first. Chris Weaver ------------- Dave Wakefield wrote: I can't possibly be the only one here "juvenile" enough to have tried this but. . . Last summer I picked up a used Sega Genesis from a pawn shop for $15. (The whole market has dropped out from under the 16-bit game systems since the 32-bit stuff came out.) Among the games I've picked up for it since then (for $2-$3 apiece) are Super Hang-On and Road Rash III. For those unfamiliar with these, they're both superbike roadracing games, and Road Rash even allows you to run your opponents off the road, hit pedestrians, and strike the competition with clubs, pipes, chains, etc. This stuff is simply hilarious, so I can't believe I've never seen a game system like this set up at any of the dc cycle parties I've been to. You folks don't know what you're missing. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 10:05:30 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03013 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09464 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:04:55 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B105886D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: race bike for sale Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:04:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Respond to him, not me if interested... > -----Original Message----- > From: Kaw500630@XXXXXX [SMTP:Kaw500630@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 8:26 AM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: race bike for sale > > hey gang i have to go back to schol which means i have to sell the race > bike. > It's a 90 EX500 fully safety wired and clamped. the bike has been run at > two > track days and went down once. I have a replacement fairing (brand new > airtech) and all necessary parts. there is a small dent on top of the > tank > and one exhaust canister is scuffed. I'll include two other OEM exhaust > systems and have just fitted new dunlop 591s. I'm asking 1350 or BO. I > live > in new jersey. > i'm upset that i have to sell it, but my financial aid fell thru. . .if > anyone > can let me know about interested parties please let me. i also have pics > of > the bike if you want. > alex > > To unsubscribe: EX500-request@XXXXXX > with: unsubscribe - in message body From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 10:15:38 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03194 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA13454; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:15:04 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990311151458.ZIBZ7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:14:58 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:13:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be6bd1$ab1e0200$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <85256731.004F493D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal I've heard that you can insure your bike beyond the market value. Makes sense considering all the accessories that can be had, paint jobs, and mechanical modifications that can be done. No need for gap insurance on a paid for bike. > Yes, I bought a new car in October and have gap ins. on it > through USAA. I > never asked about gap ins. for the bike since it is payed off. > > --chris > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> > Date: 03/11/99 01:10:53 PM GMT > Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. > > > > > Has anyone actually gotten gap insurance on a loan? I know it's a common > feature of auto leases (which in themselves give a whole new meaning to > "upside down" if you total the vehicle in the first year or so). > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 10:27:06 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03379 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA03175 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:26:54 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:26:54 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance/Financing/etc. Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:26:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can also get a package known as "Stated Value" that will insure your pride & joy for what you feel it is worth. Your best bet for anything other than vanilla insurance is to find a good independent agent - they will have more options available to them than a company rep. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 11:00:48 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04015 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14119 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:00:15 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B1058872@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Non-Moto: FW: Job Announcement Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:00:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Passing this one along just incase anyone is looking for a change of scenery.....Having worked in this office for the past three years (in a different division) i can tell you that the job is not overly = challenging, but not completely boring either. 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Completed application packages must be = received >=20 > by 03/19/99. ** >=20 > =20 >=20 > ABOUT THIS POSITION: The incumbent provides technical expertise on a >=20 > broad range of mechanical marine equipment and systems to = headquarters >=20 > and field personnel, and representatives of the marine industry. = S/he >=20 > analyzes complex and novel design proposals for various mechanical >=20 > shipboard systems and equipment for compliance with U.S. and >=20 > international standards; extends and significantly adapts engineering >=20 > principles, practices and techniques to material, equipment, or = system >=20 > designs with special requirements and to resolve problems; = participates >=20 > in inspections of vessels; conducts failure analyses of complex = systems >=20 > and recommends alternative designs as appropriate; interprets, = advises on >=20 > and formulates revisions to design and engineering regulations, = standards >=20 > and guidelines; prepares a wide variety of technical reports, = memoranda >=20 > and correspondence (including formal appeal responses); and, provides >=20 > training and guidance to other engineers on mechanical engineering = and >=20 > system analysis. The position requires particular expertise in = shipboard >=20 > incineration systems, steering power and control systems, hydraulic >=20 > propulsion control systems, piping systems, pressure vessels, >=20 > firefighting systems, cargo and venting systems, diving systems, and >=20 > related equipment. >=20 > =20 >=20 > NOTE: Duties require some travel (i.e., approximately 1-5 days per >=20 > month). >=20 > =20 >=20 > BASIS OF RATING: Competitors will be rated on the basis of the = extent >=20 > and quality of experience and training relevant to the duties of the >=20 > position, based on information contained in their applications and = their >=20 > responses to the questions on the Supplemental Questionnaire found in = the >=20 > following pages. Answers to the questions MUST be provided on the = Form >=20 > C (by mail), or via the Internet at the OPM web site (see below). >=20 > INCOMPLETE APPLICATIONS MAY RESULT IN A LOWER OR INELIGIBLE RATING. >=20 > =20 >=20 > APPLICANTS MAY REQUEST APPLICATION MATERIALS FOR THIS POSITION BY: 1) >=20 > WRITING: U.S. Office of Personnel Management, Raleigh Service = Center, >=20 > 4407 Bland Road, Suite 200, Raleigh, North Carolina 27609. OR 2) >=20 > CALLING: (919)790-2822 and leaving their name, address and = announcement >=20 > # so application materials may be sent. >=20 > =20 >=20 > APPLICANTS MAY FILE ON-LINE (HTTP://WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV): You can = use >=20 > your computer to access our Internet site where you can search for >=20 > current job openings and file an application on-line (i.e., resume = and/or >=20 > Supplemental Qualification Statement). After completing the >=20 > qualifications statement and/or resume, you MUST still send any other >=20 > required forms to our office listed above. If sending your resume = from >=20 > the web site, you MUST complete the Supplemental Qualifications = Statement >=20 > on-line also. If applying on-line, you MUST do so before midnight >=20 > Eastern Standard Time of the closing date. >=20 > =20 >=20 > PLEASE INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING MATERIALS IN YOUR APPLICATION PACKAGE = AND >=20 > SUBMIT THEM TO THE ADDRESS ABOVE: your completed Form C (unless = applying >=20 > on-line--see above); your application/resume; your DD-214 if claiming >=20 > veterans preference; and your SF-15 (Appl. for 10 pt. Veteran = Preference) >=20 > and proof of preference if claiming 10-points veterans preference. = Be >=20 > sure to write the announcement number on the front of your >=20 > application/resume to ensure quick and accurate processing. >=20 > =20 >=20 > QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS >=20 > Applicants must show that they possess a knowledge of professional >=20 > engineering principles, methods and procedures through the following: >=20 > =20 >=20 > _ completion of a bachelor's or higher degree in engineering from = an >=20 > ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology) = accredited >=20 > school or that included courses in differential and integral >=20 > calculus and courses (beyond first-year physics and chemistry) = in >=20 > five of the following seven areas of engineering science or = physics: >=20 > (a) statics, dynamics; (b) strength of materials (stress-strain >=20 > relationships); fluid mechanics, hydraulics; (d) = thermodynamics; >=20 > (e) electrical fields and circuits; (f) nature and properties of >=20 > materials (relating particle and aggregate structure to = properties); >=20 > and (g) any other comparable area of fundamental engineering >=20 > science or physics, such as optics, heat transfer, soil = mechanics, >=20 > or electronics. >=20 > OR >=20 > _ registration as a professional engineer by a state, the District = of >=20 > Columbia, Guam, or Puerto Rico. >=20 > OR >=20 > _ successfully passed the Engineering-in-Training (IT) = examination, or >=20 > the written test required for professional registration that is >=20 > administered by the Boards of Engineering Examiners in the = various >=20 > states, the District of Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico, and >=20 > completed all the requirements for either (a) a bachelor's = degree in >=20 > engineering technology (BET) from an accredited college or >=20 > university that included at least 60 semester hours of courses = in >=20 > the physical, mathematical, and engineering sciences, or (b) a = BET >=20 > from an ABET-accredited program. >=20 > OR >=20 > _ a combination of at least 4 years of college-level education, >=20 > training, and/or technical experience that included successful >=20 > completion of at least 60 semester hours of courses in the = physical, >=20 > mathematical, and engineering sciences, including the courses = listed >=20 > in the first paragraph above. (NOTE: The courses must be fully >=20 > acceptable toward meeting the requirements of a professional >=20 > engineering curriculum.) >=20 > OR >=20 > _ successful completion of a curriculum leading to a bachelor's = degree >=20 > in engineering technology or in an appropriate professional = field >=20 > (e.g., physics, chemistry, architecture, computer science, >=20 > mathematics, hydrology, or geology) AND have at least 1 year of >=20 > professional engineering experience under the guidance and >=20 > supervision of a professional engineer. >=20 > =20 >=20 > IN ADDITION applicants must have at least 1 full year of professional >=20 > mechanical engineering design, evaluation, problem resolution, and >=20 > advisory experience (equivalent to at least the GS-12 in the Federal >=20 > service) for complex mechanical shipboard systems and equipment. >=20 > Experience must have involved mechanical systems such as shipboard >=20 > incineration systems, steering power and control systems, hydraulic >=20 > propulsion control systems, piping systems, pressure vessels, >=20 > firefighting systems, cargo and venting systems, diving systems, and >=20 > related equipment. Experience must also have involved design, = evaluation >=20 > and/or advisory work with domestic and international mechanical >=20 > engineering standards and codes for ships/vessels. >=20 > =20 >=20 > VOLUNTEER WORK: Credit will be given for appropriate unpaid = experience >=20 > or volunteer work on the same basis as for paid experience, provided = it >=20 > is directly related to the job for which you are applying. To = receive >=20 > proper credit, you must show the actual time spent in such = activities. >=20 > =20 >=20 > NOTE: Only education and experience acquired before the filing = deadline >=20 > will be considered. >=20 > =20 >=20 > MEDICAL REQUIREMENTS: Eligibles are subject to meeting the medical >=20 > requirements of the position, if any. This determination will be = made at >=20 > the time of appointment. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 11:13:08 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04190 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:13:07 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2QYBa23192 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:12:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1c9c8c7c.36e7eb6d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:12:29 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Insurance/Financing/etc. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 My boss just got a Road King which he has insured through Progressive. He managed to get Replacement Value insurance for it - which I didn't even know was an option until he told me about it. This would seem the best way to go assuming it's halfway affordable. -matt From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 11:54:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04878 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12041 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06439 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA05998 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6AE3.B1571FB0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: GIVI Site Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:49:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone get into the Givi site? I've been trying the following URL and keep getting a 404/not found: http://www.givi.it/sub_index/eng.html TIA. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 12:07:57 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05156 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12341 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA06889 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:07:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990311170945.1525.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web304.yahoomail.com; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:09:45 PST Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:09:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: GIVI Site To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John, I got 404 on the particular page you're looking for, but I could get into the main GIVI site with http://www.givi.it Didn't continue on in cause i'm not sure what you're looking for :) Collin ---"Carver, John" wrote: > > Can anyone get into the Givi site? I've been trying the following URL > and keep getting a 404/not found: > http://www.givi.it/sub_index/eng.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 12:23:59 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05444 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5FR3PAC; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:22:57 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non-moto - Looking for housing Message-ID: <19990311.195529.5263.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-9 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:22:57 EST Does anyone know of some living space for rent in the Reston, Herndon, Fairfax area that might not have been listed in the Washington Post classifieds? I'm looking for an efficiency as a first choice or an apartment in someone's basement as a second choice, or a room for rent as a third choice. I'd like stay below $600 including utilities. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for the non-moto content, but I'm growing desperate. Thanks. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 13:30:27 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06702 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA11574; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:30:22 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA19877; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:30:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:30:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More on "Mr. Daytona" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those interested in the Scott Russell situation Motorcylce Online (http://www.motorcycle.com) has posted a story about the events that may have occured at the bar on that infamous evening. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 14:05:23 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07417 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:05:21 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA00414; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:05:33 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029640; Thu, 11 Mar 99 14:03:54 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8G00ABF2BLKA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256731.00686C97 ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:00:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:56:36 -0500 Subject: Re: More on "Mr. Daytona" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256731.00682890.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL That "story" on Motorcycle Online seems like irresponsible journalism to me. They presented a lot of speculative stuff, but there were no facts that aren't already well known to anyone following the story. The scenario they put forth had nothing to back it up, and the writer even admitted "Need to Verify But Will Fly it Out Into the Wind Anyway." If the story hasn't been verified, it should not have been "flown out there" in the first place. If the story turns out to be false, it seems to me that Russell would have a pretty good case for libel against MO. I want to know more about the incident myself, but I'd rather read more responsible stories that actually have some credibility to them. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 15:37:29 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web312.yahoomail.com (web312.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.108]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09092 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:37:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990311203641.5131.rocketmail@web312.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web312.yahoomail.com; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:36:41 PST Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:36:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: More on "Mr. Daytona" To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, "Hugh A. Caldwell" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd like to hear more about the "true" scoop of what happened too... But until we do, check out the "news" section of www.amasuperbike.com for the SATIRICAL piece on Russel's assailant. It's pretty funny, and they make it clear in big bold letters that it is satirical humor, not a news story. Collin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 15:43:38 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09189 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:43:35 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQggcw16434; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256731.007282AA ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:50:45 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256731.0072808B.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:34:35 -0500 Subject: Re: More on "Mr. Daytona" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline No offense to anyone who may love this publication, but it seems like a lot of what is published on Motorcycle Online is, at best, hearsay. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX on 03/11/99 01:56:36 PM To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: More on "Mr. Daytona" That "story" on Motorcycle Online seems like irresponsible journalism to me. They presented a lot of speculative stuff, but there were no facts that aren't already well known to anyone following the story. The scenario they put forth had nothing to back it up, and the writer even admitted "Need to Verify But Will Fly it Out Into the Wind Anyway." If the story hasn't been verified, it should not have been "flown out there" in the first place. If the story turns out to be false, it seems to me that Russell would have a pretty good case for libel against MO. I want to know more about the incident myself, but I'd rather read more responsible stories that actually have some credibility to them. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 17:08:32 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10694 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA14066; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:08:49 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma009692; Thu, 11 Mar 99 17:00:05 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8G00FLWAGU4W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256731.00788723 ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:56:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:51:34 -0500 Subject: East Coast Superbike - Anyone Going? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256731.00782E00.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Is anyone on the list planning on going to the Mid-Ohio, Road Atlanta or Loudon Superbike rounds this year? Anyone been in the past and have recommendations for the trip? Following is the Superbike schedule: Date Circuit Mar 7 Daytona International Raceway, Daytona Beach, FL Mar 21 Phoenix International Raceway, Phoenix, AZ Apr 18 Willow Springs Raceway, Rosamund, CA Apr 25 Sears Point Raceway, Sonoma, CA May 2 Laguna Seca Raceway, Monterey, CA Jun 5 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA Jun 6 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA Jun 13 Road America, Elkhart Lake, WI Jun 20 New Hampshire International Speedway Loudon, NH Jul 18 Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course Lexington, OH Aug 1 Brainerd International Raceway Brainerd, MN Sep 19 Pikes Peak Internation Raceway Fountain, CO Oct 3 Las Vegas Motor Speedway Las Vegas, NV Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 11 23:27:51 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16946 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2GCBa14065; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:24:54 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <19a72d82.36e89716@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:24:54 EST To: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Well, the fat lady hasn't sung, but she's being introduced by the M.C. Sometime this weekend, I go to exchange a small slip of paper for a '93 CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, mag-knight tank protector, Corbin gunfighter, shop-manual, and smoked windscreen. (Stock windscreen intact & packaged.) $5200 after all is said and done. (Blue book retail) For those who know him, previous owner is Stephen Lee, out of CAMS. So.....who's up for a ride sometime soon? (!!!!!!!) -Sean Jordan '78 Honda CB400T (Hawk II) '83 Honda Interceptor '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 00:09:28 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17564 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:09:26 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA08377; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:08:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903120508.AAA08377@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! To: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:08:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19a72d82.36e89716@aol.com> from "Eternity23@aol.com" at Mar 11, 99 11:24:54 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, mag-knight tank > -Sean Jordan Oh my.... another open-classer. You really want to give your old man fits ??? _zjt (PS: yeah, I am back after 8 weeks on the road; sitting in Seoul with weather around freezing point I was hoping to catch a nice, sunny weather good for spring rides - and landed in a white stuff country. That really sucks...) _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 02:06:06 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA19619 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20830 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA08009 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA10674; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:58:03 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36E8BAFA.2C26F374@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:58:02 -0500 From: djonesj X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HJC Chatter Box Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys & Gals, Thinking about purchasing the above mentioned subject. It would be nice to chat with a friend(s) while we ride. I would appreciate hearing about your experiences with the chatter-box. Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 02:33:40 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA20557 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id CAA14673; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:32:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:32:39 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: djonesj cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HJC Chatter Box In-Reply-To: <36E8BAFA.2C26F374@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A friend and I had the idea while shopping for cell phones, that a cleverly attached ear-piece (as used by telephone operators) would allow us to talk to eachother over our phones while riding our bikes. This works especially well if you have unlimited weekend minutes and a long battery life. Has anybody tried this? Are mobile phones too volitile to take the rapid movement (then again, they work in cars, right?)? Just an idea, really, but would be really nice not to have to buy even more equipment. We have yet to try it as he is still looking for a bike, and I have yet to succumb to the corless phone culture. Allbests, Erik ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, djonesj wrote: > Hey Guys & Gals, > > Thinking about purchasing the above mentioned subject. It would be nice > to chat with a friend(s) while we ride. I would appreciate hearing about > your experiences with the chatter-box. > > Thanks, DJ > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 05:33:18 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23349 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust002.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.2]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA13448; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:34:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990312053550.006a488c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:35:50 -0500 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! In-Reply-To: <19a72d82.36e89716@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Congratulations. That's a good bike. It should last a long time, too. Leon. At 11:24 PM 3/11/99 EST, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >Sometime this weekend, I go to exchange a small slip of paper for a '93 >CBR1000F. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 07:52:46 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25401 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA20424 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:30 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:30 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, >>mag-knight tank >> -Sean Jordan >Oh my.... another open-classer. You really want to give your old >man fits ??? So who do you think co-signed for him?? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:00:00 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25401 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA20424 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:30 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:30 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:52:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, >>mag-knight tank >> -Sean Jordan >Oh my.... another open-classer. You really want to give your old >man fits ??? So who do you think co-signed for him?? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:33:41 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00823 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:33:38 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA08747; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:31:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903121331.IAA08747@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! To: mike@XXXXXX (Jordan, Michael) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:31:47 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Jordan, Michael" at Mar 12, 99 04:52:28 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > >> CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, >>mag-knight > tank > >> -Sean Jordan > > >Oh my.... another open-classer. You really want to give your old >man fits > ??? > > So who do you think co-signed for him?? > His girlfriend ?? His mother ?? His boss ?? Coleman ?? Santa Claus ?? WSDYMF ?? > Michael J. > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:46:14 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01087 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA14409; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:42:18 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312134540.HJCB18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:45:40 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:43:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be6c8e$528f6e40$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19a72d82.36e89716@aol.com> That is quite a bargain. I've seen Stephens bike (soon to be yours) and was very impressed by its condition. Congratz. Looking for better wx. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX [mailto:Eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 11:25 PM > To: cbr@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! > > > Well, the fat lady hasn't sung, but she's being introduced by the M.C. > Sometime this weekend, I go to exchange a small slip of paper for a '93 > CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, > mag-knight tank > protector, Corbin gunfighter, shop-manual, and smoked windscreen. (Stock > windscreen intact & packaged.) $5200 after all is said and done. > (Blue book > retail) For those who know him, previous owner is Stephen Lee, > out of CAMS. > So.....who's up for a ride sometime soon? (!!!!!!!) > > -Sean Jordan > > '78 Honda CB400T (Hawk II) > '83 Honda Interceptor > '93 CBR1000F > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:46:31 1999 Return-Path: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01089 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:46:30 -0500 (EST) From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from Bluice101@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2FGWa20669 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:45:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <825e3591.36e91a6c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:45:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Chatter Box Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Hello, I am a co-director of a local women's motorcycle club. When we take rides as a group me another women always were the radios. Not only are we able to monitor the group and keep problems under check but when we ride by our selves it is really nice to advise eachother of things we might like to stop and see or if it is time for "PB" They are clear and go for about 1/2 mile.I hook my radio into mine and have music at the same time. Anyway hope that helps, Debbie From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:47:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01106 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27346 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00190 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA09769 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6C64.B94DDDD0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:45:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Iron Butt?? -- Think you got one?? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:45:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone else read the article in the new motorcyclist yet about the couple that has been riding around the world in a CX500 since 1983? The "article" is mostly pictures, but hey, they're worth 1,000 words. The couple sold everything they own when he was 25, and she 23, back in '83. One incident that I found "interesting" is when they were riding in the former Soviet Union, (Yugoslavia??), and " . . .the bike started hissing and steaming". Apparently a truck in front of them was carrying acid in old, rusty barrels and it was leaking out onto the road surface (and their bike). What could be better than a 16 year ride?? John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:50:44 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01185 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:50:15 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Daytona on Tape? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:50:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Someone said they had the race on tape? Any possibility I can get a copy.. one of my friends missed it (she lives in FL.. so it'll need to be a copy). Actually, she didn't 'miss' it.. she was stuck on Turn 6 AT Daytona.. and wants to see the race on tape. Thanks, Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 08:51:46 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01205 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2HPMa10434 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:50:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3edd7cb1.36e91bb8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:50:48 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Capitol 1000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Is there a website for this event? If so, where is it? If not, could someone send me any/all relevant information pertaining to this event? Thanks, -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:06:14 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01445 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:05:16 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:05:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > > Well, the fat lady hasn't sung, but she's being introduced > by the M.C. > > Sometime this weekend, I go to exchange a small slip of > paper for a '93 > > CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, > > mag-knight tank > > protector, Corbin gunfighter, shop-manual, and smoked > windscreen. (Stock > > windscreen intact & packaged.) $5200 after all is said and done. That was the first year of the 'Linked Braking System' if I recall... I remember looking at a 92 in 95.. I thought the asking price of $5000 at that time was fair.. shocking to see I might have had a real good deal sitting infront of me way back then (I turned it down cause I couldn't get the money together.. my CB1100F threw a rod through the cases about 2 months later..) Congrats.. it's a pig in the twisties, but you'll be laughing at most the rest when you hit 500miles in a day (super comphy tourer). Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:07:55 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01465 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQggfo19466 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256732.004E8393 ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:17:34 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256732.004E8280.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:01:13 -0500 Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline DAD!!?? I was wondering when I'd finally find you! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Jordan Michael" on 03/12/99 07:52:28 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: New Toy Alert! New Toy Alert! >> CBR1000F. 10k, mint condition, new colour matched RKA bags, >>mag-knight tank >> -Sean Jordan >Oh my.... another open-classer. You really want to give your old >man fits ??? So who do you think co-signed for him?? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:11:31 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01505 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA01975 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:10:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312141230.29188.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web308.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:12:30 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:12:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.cap1000.org So far there are 4 of us (that I'm aware of) from DC-Cycles. Leon Begeman, Todd Peer, Bob Broeking, and me. The Horstmans are also going up to coach and spectate. Basic details: Starts Saturday morning in Hagerstown, MD, ends Sunday morning in Hagerstown, MD. Where we will go during that time hasn't been released. Apparently the base route will be 800 miles, with a 200 mile add on for people who are only interested in doing a Saddle Sore 1000. Bonus locations released Friday night. Louis ---Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > Is there a website for this event? If so, where is it? If not, could someone > send me any/all relevant information pertaining to this event? > > Thanks, > > -Sean Jordan > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:13:09 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01581 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A0EF6FD0222; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:13:03 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312092053.018a96f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:21:04 -0500 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 In-Reply-To: <3edd7cb1.36e91bb8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:50 AM 3/12/99 , Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >Is there a website for this event? If so, where is it? If not, could someone >send me any/all relevant information pertaining to this event? > >Thanks, >-Sean Jordan http://www.cap1000.org/index.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:19:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01668 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27958 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00888 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Iron Butt?? -- Think you got one?? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:19:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I thought it was interesting about how they had to disassemble the bike to get it aboard that boat. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 8:46 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Iron Butt?? -- Think you got one?? Has anyone else read the article in the new motorcyclist yet about the couple that has been riding around the world in a CX500 since 1983? The "article" is mostly pictures, but hey, they're worth 1,000 words. The couple sold everything they own when he was 25, and she 23, back in '83. One incident that I found "interesting" is when they were riding in the former Soviet Union, (Yugoslavia??), and " . . .the bike started hissing and steaming". Apparently a truck in front of them was carrying acid in old, rusty barrels and it was leaking out onto the road surface (and their bike). What could be better than a 16 year ride?? John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:26:49 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01800 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:26:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312142827.13505.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:28:27 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Daytona on Tape? To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If anyone has it, could you bring it over on 3/21 (or send it before)? I had my VCR set to record the rebroadcast, which was preempted by the untimely and unfortunate death of the great Joe DiMaggio. ---"McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > Someone said they had the race on tape? Any possibility I can get a copy.. > one of my friends missed it (she lives in FL.. so it'll need to be a copy). > > Actually, she didn't 'miss' it.. she was stuck on Turn 6 AT Daytona.. and > wants to see the race on tape. > > Thanks, > > Brian > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:31:11 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01962 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.189]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA03214 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:31:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312143537.4723.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web307.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:35:37 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 - Date To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Doh!!! Read that as "Starts Saturday morning, June 12th, in Hagerstown, MD, ends Sunday morning, June 13th, in Hagerstown, MD." I'm still not awake yet... that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Louis ---"Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > Basic details: Starts Saturday morning in Hagerstown, MD, ends Sunday > morning in Hagerstown, MD. Where we will go during that time hasn't > been released. Apparently the base route will be 800 miles, with a > 200 mile add on for people who are only interested in doing a Saddle > Sore 1000. Bonus locations released Friday night. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:33:16 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01983 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA21302; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:32:49 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312143300.HOHT18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:33:00 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Capitol 1000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:30:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be6c94$ef125bf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3edd7cb1.36e91bb8@aol.com> http://www.cap1000.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX [mailto:Eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 8:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Capitol 1000 > > > Is there a website for this event? If so, where is it? If not, > could someone > send me any/all relevant information pertaining to this event? > > Thanks, > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:44:08 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02188 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02094; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:41:30 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B105887E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:41:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He he he.. I didn't check the weather report (rarely do ;-)) so I rode in today. From as sunny and warm as it was when I left the house at 0830 (yeah I came in late today) I can't see it snowing too much... but stranger things have happened! If it does get bad, Pepe can sleep in the DOT garage one more night :) On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:26 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > Nope, not me today. I didn't listen to the wx report the last time we had > that ice storm. I'm listening this time to the call for expected 2-3" by > this afternoon. Hmmm, but by the bitty flakes outside my window I may have > been duped. > > Guy at work was pleading with me yesterday to ride today, since he figured > if I did it would snow about 5-7" :) > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 09:44:42 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02213 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16575; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8H005KBKXWHF@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:46:10 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:44:12 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Daytona on Tape? To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B765C@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain You can ask Dale, I think when I taped it for him we got the whole race. > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 8:50 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: Daytona on Tape? > > Someone said they had the race on tape? Any possibility I can get a > copy.. > one of my friends missed it (she lives in FL.. so it'll need to be a > copy). > > Actually, she didn't 'miss' it.. she was stuck on Turn 6 AT Daytona.. and > wants to see the race on tape. > > Thanks, > > Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:03:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02564 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28523 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01987 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03759; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:13 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B1058881@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Interesting MC News Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:42 AM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > What's really embarrassing is to show up to a dc-cycles parking lot rodeo > and fall down. :) When you can't even stay upright in a parking lot... He he he.. well at least you weren't alone that day! How many of us managed to fall down, go boom?? The "Knot" on my left shin JUST went away this past week!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:03:18 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02574 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28529 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01995 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:12 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA08979; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903121503.KAA08979@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Iron Butt?? -- Think you got one?? To: jcarver@XXXXXX (Carver, John) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Carver, John" at Mar 12, 99 08:45:46 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > The couple sold everything they own when he was 25, and she 23, back in > '83. One incident that I found "interesting" is when they were riding > in the former Soviet Union, (Yugoslavia??), and " . . .the bike started Oh no... Yugoslavia was always an independent republic, closely aligned with Western Europe; under Tito Yugoslavia had most exchange with EU ( like semi-exchangeable currency, lot of yugoslovians working in Germany, England; YU was a vacation place for germany since late 70's...) > John > 98 VFR > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:09:36 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02715 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA10934; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:08:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010883; Fri Mar 12 09:07:50 1999 Message-ID: <36E92D70.B3B74562@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:06:24 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" CC: "'Todd Peer'" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! References: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B105887E@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't watch a weather report either, Are they calling for snow? It was enough entertainment weaving around ice patches this morning getting to work. As long as I went straight and didn't lean the bike, it seemed not to mind the ice to much (back end wobbled, but what the hell). If worse comes to worse the FJ can hang out in the FAA garage. I was the third bike in today, so it looks like others may have missed the the weather report today . Ed Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > He he he.. I didn't check the weather report (rarely do ;-)) so I rode in > today. From as sunny and warm as it was when I left the house at 0830 (yeah > I came in late today) I can't see it snowing too much... but stranger things > have happened! If it does get bad, Pepe can sleep in the DOT garage one > more night :) > > On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:26 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > Nope, not me today. I didn't listen to the wx report the last time we had > > that ice storm. I'm listening this time to the call for expected 2-3" by > > this afternoon. Hmmm, but by the bitty flakes outside my window I may > have > > been duped. > > > > Guy at work was pleading with me yesterday to ride today, since he figured > > if I did it would snow about 5-7" :) > > > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:11:27 1999 Return-Path: dbiserjr@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f63.hotmail.com [209.185.131.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02728 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7664 invoked by uid 65534); 12 Mar 1999 15:10:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19990312151026.7663.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.197.3.33 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:10:26 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.197.3.33] From: "Donnie Biser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What a pain! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:10:26 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain First post since last summer, been in lurk mode for months! I doubt anybody can help, but It can't hurt to try. Last summer I got a bunch of suggestions from you fine people on what type of bike to get, and I finally ended up getting a 95 rf600. I seem to be in a tight spot now. I bought the bike a few weeks ago, and then planned on taking the msf course to get my liscense, but... It seems as though the nice folks at the bank gave me 30 days to get insurance on the bike (I have another week left), which wouldn't be a problem except that my insurance company (Liberty Mutual) won't give me insurance unless I have my liscense (Learners doesn't count). arghhh. I am ready to take my drivers test now (been practicing on back roads and what not) but I can't use my bike because it doesn't have tags on it. and the dealer can't give me a temp tag until I have insurance. arghh. anyway, So my current thoughts are to rent/borrow/whatever a bike for a saturday so I can take the test. any suggestions/other options would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Donnie Biser Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:14:14 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02804 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21194 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8H008Y2MBBDU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:15:49 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:13:54 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! To: "'dc'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B765E@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain Let's hope that it doesn't do anything, Dale took my bike to work today because I thought it was too cold to ride. =8-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:41 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; McCoy, Brian NAB02; 'dc' > Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! > > He he he.. I didn't check the weather report (rarely do ;-)) so I rode in > today. From as sunny and warm as it was when I left the house at 0830 > (yeah > I came in late today) I can't see it snowing too much... but stranger > things > have happened! If it does get bad, Pepe can sleep in the DOT garage one > more night :) > > On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:26 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > Nope, not me today. I didn't listen to the wx report the last time we > had > > that ice storm. I'm listening this time to the call for expected 2-3" > by > > this afternoon. Hmmm, but by the bitty flakes outside my window I may > have > > been duped. > > > > Guy at work was pleading with me yesterday to ride today, since he > figured > > if I did it would snow about 5-7" :) > > > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:16:30 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02883 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA04314; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:16:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:16:18 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: East Coast Superbike - Anyone Going? In-Reply-To: <85256731.00782E00.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm thinking about going to the mid-ohio race in July, hope to find others who want to go. At the same time, Keith Code is holding his superbike school there, and I plan on taking another class. - Brian '98 YZF600R '99 HD FXDL From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:27:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03155 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28800 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02943 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06018; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B1058882@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'David Cross'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gary Rothwell Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry for replying to old mail everyone.... my geocities account "held on" to about a weeks worth of mail before I switched dc-cycles to a different addy.. You haven't done this on the track yet Dave?? Last year I was battling with Shawn Walker for 5th place in a race, and I was tucked in behind him in the draft, when all of a sudden I realized that I didn't get out soon enough AND he brakes earlier than I do by a good margin... In the process of missing him, I over shot my braking marker and found myself grabbing waaay too much of the EBC HH sintered pads.... Needless to say, I passed Shawn with my rear tire way off the ground... Later he told me it was about a foot and a half off the ground.... felt like about 4 feet at the time ;-) On Friday, March 12, 1999 10:01 AM, David Cross [SMTP:david@XXXXXX] wrote: > > 5) World's fastest stoppie: 118.12 mph > > Usually a stoppie is coming to a complete stop and raising the rear > wheel off the ground using the braking power of the front brake. > Judging buy the record above this must mean he had the rear wheel off > the ground while traveling at 118mph, but how does he get the rear of > the ground to do this while moving? I've seen most of his stunts but > not this one to me recollection. > > Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:35:21 1999 Return-Path: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03346 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:35:15 -0500 (EST) From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from HiCapMag@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vPEPa18360 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:32:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:32:51 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Recommendations Wanted -- Bike Painters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 I've got a '94 V-Max, which aficianados will instantly recognize to mean that I am haunted by the godawful bumblebee yellow paint job Yamaha selected for that model year. I've got the pieces off and a color selected, but two of the pieces are an ABS plastic that no standard bodyshop is willing to touch -- epoxy versus urethane and all that. Anyone know of a bike painter accustomed to such strange material formulations? The color I want is a metallic blue that can either be mixed from color-code formula from my car, or matched to a bottle of touch-up I have. VA. is much preferred to MD or DC. Replies by e-mail please, to HiCapMag@XXXXXX -- many thanks. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:36:00 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03369 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA16522; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:34:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016489; Fri Mar 12 09:34:04 1999 Message-ID: <36E93395.37079E57@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:32:37 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Roach CC: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: East Coast Superbike - Anyone Going? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be there a couple of weeks before the races, to take the CLASS riding school. If anyone else is going for the CLASS school let me know, and we can ride up together.. Ed Brian Roach wrote: > I'm thinking about going to the mid-ohio race in July, hope to find others > who want to go. At the same time, Keith Code is holding his superbike > school there, and I plan on taking another class. > > - Brian > '98 YZF600R > '99 HD FXDL From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:37:46 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03393 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06968; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:37:14 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B1058885@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'okan1262@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ICQ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:37:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, I've been on ICQ for a loooong time...and I like it a lot. My UIN is 435732 Collin On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:34 AM, Okan Seremetoglu [SMTP:okan1262@XXXXXX] wrote: > Guys who already use icq, please send your numbers to: > okan1262@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 10:59:24 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03801 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA27768; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:57:58 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312155839.IBIW18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:58:39 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:56:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001001be6ca0$e5ea5760$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B765E@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Look at all the trouble Collin is causing here ;) Folks, I wrote that statement a couple of weeks ago. Collin is just now replying to it erroneously. Collin, check the date I sent that. No snow today as far as I know. Todd ____________________________________________________ I didn't watch a weather report either, Are they calling for snow? It was enough entertainment weaving around ice patches this morning getting to work. As long as I went straight and didn't lean the bike, it seemed not to mind the ice to much (back end wobbled, but what the hell). If worse comes to worse the FJ can hang out in the FAA garage. I was the third bike in today, so it looks like others may have missed the the weather report today . Ed Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > He he he.. I didn't check the weather report (rarely do ;-)) so I rode in > today. From > -----Original Message----- > From: Horstman, Tracy L [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 10:14 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! > > > Let's hope that it doesn't do anything, Dale took my bike to work today > because I thought it was too cold to ride. =8-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:41 AM > > To: 'Todd Peer'; McCoy, Brian NAB02; 'dc' > > Subject: RE: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! > > > > He he he.. I didn't check the weather report (rarely do ;-)) so > I rode in > > today. From as sunny and warm as it was when I left the house at 0830 > > (yeah > > I came in late today) I can't see it snowing too much... but stranger > > things > > have happened! If it does get bad, Pepe can sleep in the DOT garage one > > more night :) > > > > On Friday, March 12, 1999 9:26 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > > wrote: > > > Nope, not me today. I didn't listen to the wx report the last time we > > had > > > that ice storm. I'm listening this time to the call for expected 2-3" > > by > > > this afternoon. Hmmm, but by the bitty flakes outside my window I may > > have > > > been duped. > > > > > > Guy at work was pleading with me yesterday to ride today, since he > > figured > > > if I did it would snow about 5-7" :) > > > > > > Todd > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 11:02:15 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03886 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A83737E0154; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:52:23 EST Message-ID: <36E93A05.4DF8A104@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:00:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Daytona on Tape? References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B765C@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tracy, Actually we missed the first few laps. :( Dale Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > You can ask Dale, I think when I taped it for him we got the whole race. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 11:12:29 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04089 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AACA28600FE; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:03:22 EST Message-ID: <36E93C99.E17C8B60@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:11:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: sliiiiiide.. and he's SAFE! References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B765E@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haven't heard anything about snow. Wicked crosswinds on the morning ride in, though. Dale Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > Let's hope that it doesn't do anything, Dale took my bike to work today > because I thought it was too cold to ride. =8-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 11:20:38 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.188]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04253 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:20:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312162358.26399.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web306.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:23:58 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Sorry!! :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry for confusing the heck out of everyone on a Friday morning. Geocities (where I used to get list traffic) had a server meltdown about two weeks ago...and I took a few days to switch list traffic to yahoo... Well, this morning geocities finally started sending mail agin. Unfortunatley, all messages coming in had todays send date on them... so I got myself a little confused as to which were new messages and which ones were old... Hope I didn't give anyone undue stress for a Friday morning.... Collin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 11:46:00 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04686 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:45:58 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA15718; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:47:04 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027349; Fri, 12 Mar 99 11:15:52 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8H002BYP7K0W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256732.00590B2C ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:12:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:09:44 -0500 Subject: Re: What a pain! To: Donnie Biser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256732.005885C5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Donnie, Wow, you are in a pickle ... I would think that the ins co would "partially insure it". What I mean by that is they probably wouldn't insure it for liability or collision since you are not licensed (which you won't need anyway since you won't be riding it until properly licensed, right?) But I would think they WOULD insure you for comprehensive (bike gets knocked over, tree falls on it, etc). And hopefully that should be enough to satisfy the bank that there investment is protected. Just a thought, --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Donnie Biser Date: 03/12/99 03:10:26 PM GMT Subject: What a pain! First post since last summer, been in lurk mode for months! I doubt anybody can help, but It can't hurt to try. Last summer I got a bunch of suggestions from you fine people on what type of bike to get, and I finally ended up getting a 95 rf600. I seem to be in a tight spot now. I bought the bike a few weeks ago, and then planned on taking the msf course to get my liscense, but... It seems as though the nice folks at the bank gave me 30 days to get insurance on the bike (I have another week left), which wouldn't be a problem except that my insurance company (Liberty Mutual) won't give me insurance unless I have my liscense (Learners doesn't count). --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 11:48:11 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04708 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:48:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312165114.17181.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web308.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:51:14 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:51:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: East Coast Superbike - Anyone Going? To: Brian Roach , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You taking CSS school the following day?? If you haven't scheduled it already, you may be out of luck. Glenn Dysart would know better than me (He's in good with Keith C's secretary ;-)), but last time some of the gang was talking about it, the level 1 was filled up, and level 2 was filling fast. I'm going to try and get down that direction to watch the weekend racing.... Next year I'm going to try and race in the SS race... Collin ---Brian Roach wrote: > > > I'm thinking about going to the mid-ohio race in July, hope to find others > who want to go. At the same time, Keith Code is holding his superbike > school there, and I plan on taking another class. > > - Brian > '98 YZF600R > '99 HD FXDL > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 12:14:45 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05166 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA04467; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:56:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:56:15 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: East Coast Superbike - Anyone Going? In-Reply-To: <19990312165114.17181.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hoping to - I'm taking level 1 at pocono on May 27 (The two-day was full) and want to take lev 2 at mid-ohio. I'll have to call them and see what the deal is as far as availability. I'd still go just for the races though, if CCS is booked. - Brian On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > You taking CSS school the following day?? If you haven't scheduled it > already, you may be out of luck. Glenn Dysart would know better than > me (He's in good with Keith C's secretary ;-)), but last time some of > the gang was talking about it, the level 1 was filled up, and level 2 > was filling fast. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 12:42:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05812 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A1F17EF01FC; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:42:09 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312123658.017b5c60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:37:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Jeannette's License Plate Frame? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeannette, is this one yours? http://www.twochicks.com/mcylfrm.html "Jeannette, Arlington, VA" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 12:53:46 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06014 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA08600 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA08596 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id MAA28911; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id MAA28907; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:57:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990312125050.0124d280@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:50:50 -0500 To: "Donnie Biser" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Re: What a pain! In-Reply-To: <19990312151026.7663.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:10 AM 3/12/99 PST, Donnie Biser wrote: >I seem to be in a tight spot now. Ouch. When I bought my first bike, I didn't have a license or insurance either. Sooo, I had a friend who wrote down HIS insurance stuff, I handed the dealer that, and voila, one new bike with temp tags for me. Do this and you've got temp tags, take test and you get your license, take license and get real insurance. Ummm, yes, I'm sure this is some sort of infraction upon the law. Just a thought, it worked for me. Brad From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:08:03 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06292 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA02732 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:07:07 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312180748.IUXM18356@toddnt> for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:07:48 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be6cb2$f055b5c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Attorney J. Thomas McGrath, founder of Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (VCOM - 800.437.9434), argued in front of the Rockingham County Circuit Court that the state helmet law statute is vague because it doesn't say what the helmet standard is, but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell Standards. The court has declared the law unconstitutional. Other VA counties are not affected, but since a new statute must be passed to insulate other counties from similar suits, we may finally be able to practice our right of choice on this matter in the way to conservative Old Dominion. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:10:51 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06325 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQggge04088; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256732.0064BFDF ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:20:27 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256732.0064BF8E.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:04:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Jeannette's License Plate Frame? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeppers! : ) Aren't you the one who suggested it? I just love it! - Jeannette Chris Norloff on 03/12/99 12:37:37 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Jeannette's License Plate Frame? Jeannette, is this one yours? http://www.twochicks.com/mcylfrm.html "Jeannette, Arlington, VA" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:14:49 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06445 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9943D5000C8; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:14:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312131324.0100ed40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:15:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: What a pain! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990312125050.0124d280@ns2.pgcc.net> References: <19990312151026.7663.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:50 PM 3/12/99 , Brad wrote: >Ouch. When I bought my first bike, I didn't have a license or insurance >either. Sooo, I had a friend who wrote down HIS insurance stuff, I handed >the dealer that, and voila, one new bike with temp tags for me. >... >Ummm, yes, I'm sure this is some sort of infraction upon the law. Just a >thought, it worked for me. >Brad Don't get caught. I think Virginia is one of the states who impose a daily fine for any vehicle where the owner can't prove he had insurance for that period. The people collecting this fine are typically noted for their lack of humor. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:35:20 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06864 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11473 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8H0002OVLYQG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:36:36 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:34:42 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B7669@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain This topic is no good without Squeakers, though. Don't understand how it can be considered vague if the helmets must pass DOT, ANSI, or Snell standards - are those helmet standards so it does say what the helmet standard is - DOT, ANSI or Snell. Lawyers - guess they got to make a buck too. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:06 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > Attorney J. Thomas McGrath, founder of Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists > (VCOM - 800.437.9434), argued in front of the Rockingham County Circuit > Court that the state helmet law statute is vague because it doesn't say > what > the helmet standard is, but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell > Standards. The court has declared the law unconstitutional. > > Other VA counties are not affected, but since a new statute must be passed > to insulate other counties from similar suits, we may finally be able to > practice our right of choice on this matter in the way to conservative Old > Dominion. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:39:11 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06945 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:39:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312183941.3422.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web302.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:39:41 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:39:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh no!!! Everybody duck!!!! Louis (who isn't saying any more at this point) ---Todd Peer wrote: > > > Attorney J. Thomas McGrath, founder of Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists > (VCOM - 800.437.9434), argued in front of the Rockingham County Circuit > Court that the state helmet law statute is vague because it doesn't say what > the helmet standard is, but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell > Standards. The court has declared the law unconstitutional. > > Other VA counties are not affected, but since a new statute must be passed > to insulate other counties from similar suits, we may finally be able to > practice our right of choice on this matter in the way to conservative Old > Dominion. > > Todd > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:46:08 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07141 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:46:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312184714.20093.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send201.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:47:14 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:47:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: "Horstman, Tracy L" Cc: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Horstman, Tracy L" wrote: > Lawyers - guess they got to make a buck too. > WHY?!? Think about this: IF all the lawyers quit making money and starved to death, maybe eventually we wouldn't have any lawyers left. Most countries don't have a lawyer problem because they don't have lawyers. We got the biggest problem because we got the most lawyers. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07151 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:40:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What a pain! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:39:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) why do I think you're making this harder than it seems? I've never bought anything from a dealer (vehicle wise).. I bought my VF500 out here.. no insurance, no licence.. and had to deal with the same things you are. Geico insured me readily enough on a temp 'learnes' license.. it was more expensive, but they adjusted my rate when I sent them a copy of my normal licence. Also, I know that Maryland will issue a temp tag for any vehicle.. for the purpose of getting it inspected... I've never seen them ask for insurance info on those forms.. I can't believe VA is that much different. I think you need to shop around a little more for insurance.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:48:50 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07171 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A18C8A701FC; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:48:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312132330.01001970@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:24:33 -0500 To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Jeannette's License Plate Frame? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256732.0064BF8E.00@172.16.2.37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, I was. I was recommending the site to someone else, and noticed the familiar name. Chris Norloff At 01:04 PM 3/12/99 , Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: >Yeppers! : ) Aren't you the one who suggested it? I just love it! > >- Jeannette > >Chris Norloff on 03/12/99 12:37:37 PM > >Jeannette, is this one yours? > >http://www.twochicks.com/mcylfrm.html >"Jeannette, Arlington, VA" From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 13:50:46 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07250 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21446 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8H001XFWBODA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:52:02 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:50:08 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: DCCycles List Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B766C@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain But without the lawyers, there would be no suitable targets to take their place and folks might start on the bikers again and it would be Easy Rider all over again. ;) > ---"Horstman, Tracy L" wrote: > > > Lawyers - guess they got to make a buck too. > > > WHY?!? Think about this: IF all the lawyers quit making money and > starved to death, maybe eventually we wouldn't have any lawyers left. > Most countries don't have a lawyer problem because they don't have > lawyers. We got the biggest problem because we got the most lawyers. > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:02:31 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07477 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A2DC4401C0; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:54:20 EST Message-ID: <36E964AA.83C55EE1@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:02:02 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <001a01be6cb2$f055b5c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell > Standards. What's vague about that? Most helmets have that info on a tag on the inside liner. If they don't, you should go get a real one. One without fake bull horns pointing out the sides, preferably. The day I wrecked BugSlayer would have been a wonderful day to go helmetless. It was an unusually warm day, almost Spring-like in feel - I had the day off, had visited my daughter at school for lunchtime, and was just cruising on a favorite backroad at low speeds as I took a roundabout way home. I wasn't IronButting anywhere, wasn't scraping pegs, wasn't in a hurry, I was just out pleasure riding. It would have been really nice to feel the wind in my face and hair, enjoy the sights from behind my bike's custom tall fairing. Nice, that is, until I was startled by a big pickup truck in a tight corner and ran the bike off the road. When I was highsided, I had no control of how my body was going to hit the ground. I would have never chosen to hit forehead first, that's for sure. The impact forced my helmet cruelly hard back against my shoulder blades - today, almost 4 full weeks after the accident, my back and upper shoulders are still sore. My neck is still slightly stiff, too - but I am not complaining. I am thanking the good Lord everyday that I am still here. I shudder to think about the facial injuries I would have suffered (some of you who've seen me will probably argue that it might have made an improvement) - IF I would have survived. At the very least, that helmet saved me from a scalping, a concussion, maybe a broken nose or other facial injuries, possible brain damage, etc. etc. Note that even a shorty-type helmet would have performed nearly as well in this case. As it was, I was able to stand up and start gathering bike parts - and ride the bike home, rather than bleed quietly and await a nice ambulance ride somewhere. In my opinion, take it for what it's worth, you folks who are pushing to allow people to ride helmetless for a "Freedom" standpoint are foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. Flame away, but you won't change my opinion. There are days when even I would like to ride without a helmet. I used to ride dirtbikes as a kid without one. If for no other reason a Law is why I have a lid on when I crash, then that's a good thing. I have two little girls at home who only know one thing - their Daddy came home on a busted motorcycle that day. They have no idea how close he came to never coming home again. Speaking of helmets, I bought a new one at Daytona. A Nolan N-100 flip-face, white metallic color - just like Leon's. I liked my old Shoei RF700, but after doing a faceplant at ~20 mph it needed to be retired. It did it's job admirably. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:06:17 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07583 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A3A844900F4; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:57:44 EST Message-ID: <36E96576.6381EEB2@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:05:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B7669@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > Lawyers - guess they got to make a buck too. No they don't. They can all rot in black stinking pits of hell, swimming in their one wastes while being forced to listen to Barry Manilow music. Damn, I just scared myself there. Sorry. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:08:48 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07608 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'DCCycles List'" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:09:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well, when your society is based on law, it's run by lawyers. Then they write our laws so the common person can't understand them; therefore, we have a perpetual need for them to interpret those laws. That's called job security, I guess. Mitch Holmes -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:raymondlucas@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:47 PM To: Horstman, Tracy L Cc: DCCycles List Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. WHY?!? Think about this: IF all the lawyers quit making money and starved to death, maybe eventually we wouldn't have any lawyers left. Most countries don't have a lawyer problem because they don't have lawyers. We got the biggest problem because we got the most lawyers. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:10:32 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07632 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28351; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:10:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <19990312183941.3422.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Louis -- Duck?? Why should you duck? If you were WEARING a HELMET you wouldn't have to DUCK! :) :) -ph On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > Oh no!!! Everybody duck!!!! > > Louis (who isn't saying any more at this point) > > [snip] From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:39:22 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08151 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:39:14 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:43:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:43:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain The vagueness comes in when you have to decide which DOT, ANSI or Snell Standard the helmets need to meet. All of those organizations develop standards for far more than motorcycle helmets. Having a law that says a helmet must meet DOT, ANSI or Snell Standards doesn't mean a whole lot unless it specifies which of the standards it needs to meet, i.e. Snell M90 or M95. I'm not sure how the VA laws are worded but the should just state the helmets must conform to the revision of the specific DOT, ANSI or Snell Standard for motorcycle helmets that were in effect at the time of the helmets manufacture. Then there is no confusion. Don B. No I'm not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV, but I do help write regulations for the DOT. > -----Original Message----- > From: Horstman, Tracy L [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 2:27 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Cc: Burger, Donald > Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > This topic is no good without Squeakers, though. Don't understand how > it > can be considered vague if the helmets must pass DOT, ANSI, or Snell > standards - are those helmet standards so it does say what the helmet > standard is - DOT, ANSI or Snell. Lawyers - guess they got to make a > buck > too. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:06 PM > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > > > > Attorney J. Thomas McGrath, founder of Virginia Coalition of > Motorcyclists > > (VCOM - 800.437.9434), argued in front of the Rockingham County > Circuit > > Court that the state helmet law statute is vague because it doesn't > say > > what > > the helmet standard is, but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or > Snell > > Standards. The court has declared the law unconstitutional. > > > > Other VA counties are not affected, but since a new statute must be > passed > > to insulate other counties from similar suits, we may finally be > able to > > practice our right of choice on this matter in the way to > conservative Old > > Dominion. > > > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 14:43:46 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08238 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10LXpH-0001N4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:42:31 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01655 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NH65F>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:48:53 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED815@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:48:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > In my opinion, take it for what it's worth, you folks who are > pushing to allow people to ride helmetless for a "Freedom" > standpoint are foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. Flame > away, but you won't change my opinion. There are days when > even I would like to ride without a helmet. I used to ride > dirtbikes as a kid without one. If for no other reason a Law > is why I have a lid on when I crash, then that's a good thing. > I have two little girls at home who only know one thing - their > Daddy came home on a busted motorcycle that day. They have no > idea how close he came to never coming home again. Sorry I couldn't keep quiet any longer, Lets look at this argument from another standpoint, taken from the test above I have replaced words and put those in ( ) to illustrate my point which follows: "In my opinion, take it for what it's worth, you folks who are pushing to allow people to ride (motorcycles) for a "Freedom" standpoint are foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. Flame away, but you won't change my opinion. There are days when even I would like to (ride a motorcycle). I used to ride dirtbikes as a kid. If for no other reason a Law is why I (was in a car when) I crashed, then that's a good thing. I have two little girls at home who only know one thing - their Daddy came home in a busted (car) that day. They have no idea how close he came to never coming home again." If you can make it a law for people to where helmets to protect themselves, then to me its not too far a leap to make a law to prohibit people from riding motorcycles to protect themselves because bottom line is cars are safer than motorcycles. I would NEVER ride without my helmet but I think it is disgusting that there is a law requiring adults to do so. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 15:02:05 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08586 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA06715; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:58:25 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312200146.JKGV18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:01:46 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:59:38 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01be6cc2$dbe31460$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36E964AA.83C55EE1@tidalwave.net> I just knew Dale would respond! I'll tell you what's vague about that after you explain what the standards are. Here is what's going on. Mr. McGrath went to court to defend a citizen who was ticketed for not wearing a DOT approved helmet as interpretted by the arresting officer. The defending case stated and proved that the law was vague. The VA code (§ 46.2-910 ) on this states "The windshields, face shields, glasses or goggles, and protective helmets required by this section shall meet or exceed the standards and specifications of the Snell Memorial Foundation, the American National Standards Institute, Inc., or the federal Department of Transportation." The law refers to, but does not yield what these standards are, and for the average citizen finding these standards is nearly impossible. Even if you do find them, you couldn't read them unless you had an engineering degree. They are vague to the average consumer. DOT standards make up more than 30 pages of engineering jibberish (FMVS218) that is NOT widely available to the consumer. DOT does NOT test helmets to be sure that they pass the standards that they wrote. The manufacturers test their own helmets and certify them based on the standards. The DOT randomely selects helmets for sale with a DOT certification and allows an independant testing group to test against these rigorous standards. If a helmet passes the standards, done, no more to say. If the helmet does NOT pass, the DOT goes back to the manufacturer and requests their testing documentation. If that documentation fits DOTs standards, done, no more to say. In other words, the standards have no teeth. The gentleman I spoke to on the phone told me that in an independant study by a group in Wisconson (sorry, he couldn't find the name of the group right then) verified after testing numerous helmets using the DOT standards, 60% failed. Dale, I'm not saying that DOT approved helmets are unsafe. But given these facts, I wouldn't say that they are either. Todd ("foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous", according to Dale) Dale Horstman wrote: > Todd Peer wrote: > > but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell > > Standards. > > What's vague about that? Most helmets have that info > on a tag on the inside liner. If they don't, you should > go get a real one. One without fake bull horns pointing > out the sides, preferably. > > > In my opinion, take it for what it's worth, you folks who are > pushing to allow people to ride helmetless for a "Freedom" > standpoint are foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 15:30:24 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09202 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:30:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990312203054.15801.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web302.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:30:54 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: Todd Peer , Dale Horstman Cc: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gawd.. this is why I don't like the plethora of lawyers this country has in general. I agree with Dale. They put the stickers in/on the helmets so that the consumer does not need to have an engineering degree to figure out if they have a decent helmet. Thousands of products are treated like this. It's called industry self regulation, and these same lawyers are pushing for it. Todd, you yourself are very against over regulation. There should be no reason that a government agency has to test the materials. However, if random testing proves they don't meet it, they can force a recall, etc. We do this all the time in the CG. All materials such as floor coverings, carpets, insulations, etc. on commercial vessel's have to meet ASTM (or certain other) standards and have testing done by an independent lab (usually UL). The product is then given an approval number so that each use of it doesn't need further testing... I agree that the standard itself may not be adequate (ie. if it passes snell/dot, is that "good enough") but it's a hell of a lot better than nothing. I am very surprised the court ruled like that. Doesn't seem the least bit vague to me. Helmet must show that it meets DOT, SNELL, or ANSI. Didn't think it could get any more plain than that.. heck, I think even some of the folks from West, By God, Virgina can figure that one out (just kidding WV residents). The helmets that have met one of those standards have a pretty simple label on em to show it. Collin ---Todd Peer wrote: > > I just knew Dale would respond! I'll tell you what's vague about that after > you explain what the standards are. > > Here is what's going on. Mr. McGrath went to court to defend a citizen who > was ticketed for not wearing a DOT approved helmet as interpretted by the > arresting officer. The defending case stated and proved that the law was > vague. The VA code (§ 46.2-910 ) on this states "The windshields, face > shields, glasses or goggles, and protective helmets required by this section > shall meet or exceed the standards and specifications of the Snell Memorial > Foundation, the American National Standards Institute, Inc., or the federal > Department of Transportation." The law refers to, but does not yield what > these standards are, and for the average citizen finding these standards is > nearly impossible. Even if you do find them, you couldn't read them unless > you had an engineering degree. They are vague to the average consumer. > > DOT standards make up more than 30 pages of engineering jibberish (FMVS218) > that is NOT widely available to the consumer. DOT does NOT test helmets to > be sure that they pass the standards that they wrote. The manufacturers > test their own helmets and certify them based on the standards. The DOT > randomely selects helmets for sale with a DOT certification and allows an > independant testing group to test against these rigorous standards. If a > helmet passes the standards, done, no more to say. If the helmet does NOT > pass, the DOT goes back to the manufacturer and requests their testing > documentation. If that documentation fits DOTs standards, done, no more to > say. In other words, the standards have no teeth. > > The gentleman I spoke to on the phone told me that in an independant study > by a group in Wisconson (sorry, he couldn't find the name of the group right > then) verified after testing numerous helmets using the DOT standards, 60% > failed. > > Dale, I'm not saying that DOT approved helmets are unsafe. But given these > facts, I wouldn't say that they are either. > > Todd ("foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous", according to Dale) > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell > > > Standards. > > > > What's vague about that? Most helmets have that info > > on a tag on the inside liner. If they don't, you should > > go get a real one. One without fake bull horns pointing > > out the sides, preferably. > > > > > > > In my opinion, take it for what it's worth, you folks who are > > pushing to allow people to ride helmetless for a "Freedom" > > standpoint are foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 15:52:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09628 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA15338; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:48:35 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312205156.JRKB18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:51:56 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:49:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002301be6cc9$ddb7a920$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990312203054.15801.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> > Gawd.. this is why I don't like the plethora of lawyers this country > has in general. > I agree with Dale. They put the stickers in/on the helmets so that > the consumer does not need to have an engineering degree to figure out > if they have a decent helmet. Thousands of products are treated like > this. > It's called industry self regulation, I got nothing against industry self regulation when it comes to adhering to established statutes. I just got a problem with the reasoning behind the statutes to begin with. I wonder if you "Glad the law is there" types will say the same when this country finally gets Mandatory Leg protectors, Mandatory BHP, and other inane and arbitrary legislation designed to protect you from yourself. I too believe there are too many lawyers in this country, but like they say "When you need one....". The guy that got nicked for a 'non-dot' helmet didn't agree that he did anything wrong and fought the rap on the States turf. If the system can screw with you, you have a right to screw with it using there rules if you can. Don't you? Or have we lost the right to defend ourselves now. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 16:03:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09813 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A12298A029E; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:03:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312160301.017cd900@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:10:04 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <001f01be6cc2$dbe31460$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <36E964AA.83C55EE1@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 02:59 PM 3/12/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >ticketed for not wearing a DOT approved helmet as interpretted by the >arresting officer. The defending case stated and proved that the law was >vague. The VA code (=A7 46.2-910 ) on this states "The windshields, face >shields, glasses or goggles, and protective helmets required by this= section >shall meet or exceed the standards and specifications of the Snell Memorial >Foundation, the American National Standards Institute, Inc., or the federal >Department of Transportation." The law refers to, but does not yield what >these standards are, and for the average citizen finding these standards is >nearly impossible. =20 If they look for the standards. Most people would just look for a sticker stating that the helmet meets the standards. >Even if you do find them, you couldn't read them unless >you had an engineering degree. They are vague to the average consumer. So are most, if not all, engineering standards. =20 My biggest concern with fights like this is that I believe they'll win the battle and lose the war. You can beat the specifics of a law like this on these technicalities. But you can lose big-time when it comes to motorcyclist rights overall. =20 The question is not how much a particular helmet of a particular standard protects a rider, the question is about how much risk a person is allowed to take. By shifting the debate from risk and rights to quibbling over an average consumer reading an engineering standard, we risk much broader anti-motorcycle legislation that gets around the helmet law technical challenges (motorcycle bans and excessive insurance requirements, for= example). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 16:10:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09935 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A2D7414021C; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:10:47 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990312161624.017d6420@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:18:52 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <002301be6cc9$ddb7a920$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <19990312203054.15801.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:49 PM 3/12/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >I got nothing against industry self regulation when it comes to adhering to >established statutes. I just got a problem with the reasoning behind the >statutes to begin with. > >I wonder if you "Glad the law is there" types will say the same when this >country finally gets Mandatory Leg protectors, Mandatory BHP, and other >inane and arbitrary legislation designed to protect you from yourself. Just as people's failure to use seat belts led to passive restraints, automatic seat belts, and air bags, I believe people's failure to use helmets and other protective gear will result in more emphasis on re-designing the vehicle to "make up" for those failures -- and that means leg protectors, motorcycle air bags, etc. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 16:34:10 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10407 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 493; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:33:58 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990312163235.0213d330@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:33:54 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , "DC-Cycles" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990312161624.017d6420@mail.toward.com> References: <002301be6cc9$ddb7a920$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <19990312203054.15801.rocketmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:18 PM 3/12/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: >motorcycle air bags, etc. And all this time I thought motorcycle airbags were (insert opposing style of ride or manufacturer here) riders...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 16:57:52 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10905 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA03491; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:56:47 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312215727.KANN18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:57:27 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:55:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002501be6cd3$047f1850$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990312160301.017cd900@mail.toward.com> > My biggest concern with fights like this is that I believe they'll win the > battle and lose the war. You can beat the specifics of a law like this on > these technicalities. But you can lose big-time when it comes to > motorcyclist rights overall. > > The question is not how much a particular helmet of a particular standard > protects a rider, the question is about how much risk a person is allowed > to take. By shifting the debate from risk and rights to quibbling over an > average consumer reading an engineering standard, we risk much broader > anti-motorcycle legislation that gets around the helmet law technical > challenges (motorcycle bans and excessive insurance requirements, > for example). > > Chris Norloff Thanks for your input Chris. On the surface I agree with you. However, this posture puts ALL citizens on the defending side of the equation all the time. I can't sit still for that as a citizen ruled by a gubmnt 'for and by the people'. If the damn gubmnt hadn't put these types of Nanny-laws on the books, citizens wouldn't have to keep defending themselves. In a fight where your opposition has unlimited $$ resources, and you don't, a good defense is a well orchestrated offense. Sometimes that means using the system against itself, which I have no problem with. Finally, if we risk "much broader anti-motorcycle legislation that gets around the helmet law technical challenges", what have we lost? A perceived right? Our freedom? In this case, the gubmnt wins period, end of story and no recourse available. That IS how the gubmnt plays, so why shouldn't we citizens? Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 16:57:50 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10903 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA23450; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:57:19 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990312215729.KANQ18356@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:57:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:55:20 -0500 Message-ID: <002601be6cd3$05cf6610$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990312161624.017d6420@mail.toward.com> > At 03:49 PM 3/12/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >I got nothing against industry self regulation when it comes to > adhering to > >established statutes. I just got a problem with the reasoning behind the > >statutes to begin with. > > > >I wonder if you "Glad the law is there" types will say the same when this > >country finally gets Mandatory Leg protectors, Mandatory BHP, and other > >inane and arbitrary legislation designed to protect you from yourself. > > > Just as people's failure to use seat belts led to passive restraints, > automatic seat belts, and air bags, I believe people's failure to use > helmets and other protective gear will result in more emphasis on > re-designing the vehicle to "make up" for those failures -- and that means > leg protectors, motorcycle air bags, etc. I'm not sure of your position here Chris. Are you saying that you'd kiss the gubmnt's ass so they'll just go away quietly? Get real man! They are not going away. Agencies like NHTSA are meddlesome bureaucracies that justify their very existence by fucking with yours. Please spare me the gloom and doom if I feel like standing against them. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 18:43:16 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12838 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02998 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:43:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:43:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: WV tour in April Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know nothing more than the info at the website (which I haven't looked at too much yet)... Country Roads Motorcycle Rally, WV. http://www.bikeweekwv.com/ Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 19:37:27 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13873 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA04200 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:37:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:37:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Road boots for little feet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There are some Corbin boots available for just $199CDN in small sizes 8D and 9D. Check out http://www.islandnet.com/~apex/item24.htm Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 20:07:30 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14409 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:07:28 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hLCSa22603; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:06:39 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:06:39 EST To: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: SJordan185@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 David, I don't think anyone would argue the safety benefits of wearing a helmet. I wouldn't get on a bike without one, that is just common sense. The issue truly is the freedom of choice and who is the true beneficiary of this law. Our time should be spent on finding out the cause(s) of the accidents, resolve those issues and make it safe for everyone. Enforcing a garment doesn't make sense when the issue is so much bigger. But I will qualify all of this by saying that I am fairly new to this sport and cannot speak with your (meaning the group as a whole) knowledge, but do have concerns as to why the bill was adopted in the first place. Maybe you can help me understand? Why was the bill adopted? From a caring group of legislators concerned with the bikers' health and safety? For some reason, I have my doubts about that. >From the creator of ABATE because he/she needed a cause to fight for? I'm highly dubious on that one too. From what I've gathered, the bill was adopted to secure federal funding which failed to come thru. Please advise. Has there been a study done on motorcycle accidents that details: What age most riders have accidents? Is inexperience the reason for more accidents or just irresponsible driving by the rider, the surroundings or other vehicles? Are cars the cause of most accidents (duh)? Maybe these drivers should have their licenses revoked & make the roads safer for bikers, other motorists, pedestrians, children, animals and property. Where in the country do most bike accidents occur? Under what conditions? What time of year (although this may seem obvious, I bet the findings would be surprising)? Have accidents decreased in states offering Motorcycle Safety programs? Across the board or in certain pockets of the country? I must take issue when my freedom of choice regarding "my person" has been taken away. No one should be personally governed in such a manner. If we can't make smart decisions as an adult, then we suffer the consequences of being foolish. Candidly, I can't believe that common sense must be a matter for the courts to decide. What does our State government gain by enforcing this law? If they're gaining so much, why doesn't CT, DE, CO go along with this valiant effort? There has to be more to this law and our legislators than meets the eye. Again, who are the real benefactors? Please advise. Lee Andrese '98 V-Star Classic My First Toy--Helmet and Batteries Included From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 22:10:34 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16483 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07502 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: <030d01be6cfe$958a14a0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: What a pain! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:04:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Deja vu for me, Donnie. When just starting couple of years ago I ran into a similar Catch 22 problem. After much bobbing and weaving, had everything worked out, with the VA dealer slated to truck my new bike to the DC driver test lot, then, post-test, on to my garage, where I would call to get insurance. The glitch -- I oopsed the test. Ended up with a bike in custody off the street, MC learner permit, and no insurance. Having had the same comment as you from an insco or two (learners permit unacceptable) the rock and hard place were mashing together. It seemed the inscos were the only way out, and that evening I got on the horn with YP, MC mags, etc. and had at it. It was the second or third call that finally bore fruit -- insurance with learners permit. My smile was big enough to be heard. (Some ins and outs -- it was a smaller 500cc bike, I'm a jump over 40, etc., etc.) That's how it worked out for me, the next driver test being successful. Notes: I tried to "rent/borrow/whatever" a bike for several weeks prior to purchase/driver test, to no avail. And the dealer didn't require immediate insurance for the temp tags, probably because of the VA/DC crossover (liability always a street must for me, however). Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Had I been the first bike, we'd have passed firsttry. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Donnie Biser ...snip except that my insurance company >(Liberty Mutual) won't give me insurance unless I have my liscense >(Learners doesn't count). >arghhh. >I am ready to take my drivers test now (been practicing on back roads >and what not) but I can't use my bike because it doesn't have tags on >it. and the dealer can't give me a temp tag until I have insurance. >arghh. > >anyway, So my current thoughts are to rent/borrow/whatever a bike for a >saturday so I can take the test. > >any suggestions/other options would be greatly appreciated! >Thanks! >Donnie Biser > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 22:24:28 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16743 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07809 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <031a01be6d00$88eccb00$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:21:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 With bear, cougar, etc. reported around, one more substantive reason for helmets! (From the Vulcan list.) "There's an article in one biker mag about the bears in Alaska having a hard time finding food and have started attacking and eating humans. They found one biker and had only one peice of evidence to identify the man. Investigation show that the bear must have knocked the rider off the bike, the bears ate all the man except for his head that was still in the full face helment." Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Hmmm. How about a skunkscent spray accessory for emergencies? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: DC-Cycles Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:15 PM Subject: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > >Attorney J. Thomas McGrath, founder of Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists >(VCOM - 800.437.9434), argued in front of the Rockingham County Circuit >Court that the state helmet law statute is vague because it doesn't say what >the helmet standard is, but only that helmets must pass DOT, ANSI or Snell >Standards. The court has declared the law unconstitutional. > >Other VA counties are not affected, but since a new statute must be passed >to insulate other counties from similar suits, we may finally be able to >practice our right of choice on this matter in the way to conservative Old >Dominion. > >Todd > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 12 23:16:58 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17751 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA08909 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: <038601be6d07$df15d060$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: graspics and blizzaks Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:13:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Elie Rosenblum wrote: >>It's apparently some specially constructed rubber structure that sticks >>_really_ well to ice. I don't really know much in the way of detail as >>to how they work, though. Apparently they use this compound down to >>somewhere around 50% of the tread, beyond which it's just a normal all >>weather tire. > Chris Norloff wrote: >Neat. I've heard of Continental making a winter tire - it was made of a >special rubber that stayed soft at cold temperatures (to grip better), and >didn't warm up with driving (to avoid melting snow) and had little fingers >inside the tread grooves to work the snow out as the tire flexed. > Reviews of graspics, blizzaks at http://miata.net/products/wheels/. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> How about sprayon chewing gum for the snow a-coming? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 00:30:43 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18998 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:16:58 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:17:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01be6d10$d5601220$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B7669@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 It probably doesn't state which *specific* ANSI, DOT, Snell rating they must pass or exceed. Sounds peculiar that lawyers weren't specific enough, but you never know. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > This topic is no good without Squeakers, though. Don't understand how it > can be considered vague if the helmets must pass DOT, ANSI, or Snell > standards - are those helmet standards so it does say what the helmet > standard is - DOT, ANSI or Snell. Lawyers - guess they got to make a buck > too. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 00:37:53 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19101 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:33:41 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01be6d13$2b1bc900$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The most extensive study of MC accidents was done in 1982 or so. It's called the Hurt study (name of the author of the paper:) I don't have a url, but a quick check in one of the search engines or big moto sites should turn up the whole text as well as plenty of digested versions. If I remember from my MSF course: Alcohol is the biggest factor (I don't remember anyone delineating between cage driver and MC rider, but MC riders have more accidents per drink that cagers) Most (or a LARGE percentage) of accidents are single vehicle. IOW, someone got into a turn too hot and went over a mountain, onto the shoulder, over the guardrail, etc. The single most important piece of safety equipment (not counting that between the rider's ears) is a helmet when it comes to preventing fatal accidents. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 01:03:01 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA19545 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA04730; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:47:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a801be6d15$b63c52a0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: What a pain! Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:50:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I would just go on down to your insurance company and just tell'em that you have the proper license. What they will do (or at least in my case a few years ago... ) is issue you the insurance policy and then send you a letter statig that you have such-n-such amount of time to get the license in order. Nationwide is my carrier and I had no problems with them at all in trying to get the policy. As for Virgina's law.... if you get caught it's a $400 fee for not having insurance, PERIOD! Don't ask me how I know... -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:26 PM Subject: Re: What a pain! >At 12:50 PM 3/12/99 , Brad wrote: >>Ouch. When I bought my first bike, I didn't have a license or insurance >>either. Sooo, I had a friend who wrote down HIS insurance stuff, I handed >>the dealer that, and voila, one new bike with temp tags for me. >>... >>Ummm, yes, I'm sure this is some sort of infraction upon the law. Just a >>thought, it worked for me. >>Brad > > >Don't get caught. I think Virginia is one of the states who impose a daily >fine for any vehicle where the owner can't prove he had insurance for that >period. The people collecting this fine are typically noted for their lack >of humor. > >Chris Norloff > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 08:36:58 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29377 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.188]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA18735 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:20:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990313122248.1352.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.70.70.89] by web306.yahoomail.com; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:22:48 PST Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:22:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: What a pain! - Learners permit and insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > As for Virgina's law.... if you get caught it's a $400 fee for not having > insurance, PERIOD! Don't ask me how I know... I missed the original post, but is the person who is trying to get a licence a Virginia resident? If so, that's one of the reasons they now have a learner's permit. They gave us some information about this at the recent MSF Instructor Update in Richmond. To get the permit, you need to pass the written test, and pay something like $3 (which goes directly to the motorcycle rider courses). When you get the permit, you will be able to 1) Get insurance 2) Ride on the street under supervision of another, licenced, rider. (they have to ride near you, not on the same bike as you) 3) Above is during daylight, not at night. The reasons given for the new permit program was exactly that situation, someone not being able to get their bike to the testing site because they don't have a licence, or people riding without insurance. This was one of the more contraversial issues discussed over the update as some instructors didn't like the idea of people only taking the written, not riding test. I won't say it's perfect, but it does have it's advantages for people who for some reason can not or will not take the motorcycle rider's course. Again, this is only in VA, and you might want to ask at Motor Vehicles, as my information may not be 100% correct. [too much junk stored in the brain nowadays... :-) ] Louis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 09:50:44 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00619 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA23620 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA32073; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:15:07 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.18]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990313141814.WZWB5455@toddnt>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:18:14 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Cc: Subject: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:16:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Thanks for your comments Lee. It's nicer to read thoughtful commentary than to read the distractive emotional rhetoric that tends to follow this increasingly divisive subject. When I brought this subject up, I was just reporting the facts. The facts again in summary: Rockingham Co, VA has repealed the inforcement of the VA Statute which requires the use of a helmet while riding a motorcycle. The ruling declared the law unconstitutional in that it is too vague. Like Lee mentioned, VA adopt(s) this law in hopes of securing federal highway funding. Not out of any altruistic sense of big brotherly love for us. Iow, the US gubmnt is blackmailing our state with a threat to hold back the distribution of YOUR tax dollars. Makes me sick. Fwiw, if VA ever repeals this law, I will continue to wear my helmet. And I'm sure a lot of you will too. I personally don't like my hair (what little is left) blowing around, and I don't like getting sunburned on the pate. Most of all I want reduce the risk of a head injury. That's right, I believe a helmet can do that. I just don't believe the state needs to mandate it. If those of you worried that the sky will fall if we lose this law care enough, maybe lobbying the VA MSF to emphasize that wearing a helmet reduces a risk of fatal injury would be a less intrusive way of getting the message across. Todd On March, 12 1999 Lee Andrese wrote: > > David, I don't think anyone would argue the safety benefits of wearing a > helmet. I wouldn't get on a bike without one, that is just > common sense. The > issue truly is the freedom of choice and who is the true > beneficiary of this > law. > > Our time should be spent on finding out the cause(s) of the > accidents, resolve > those issues and make it safe for everyone. ..... > Candidly, I can't believe that common sense must be a matter for > the courts to > decide. What does our State government gain by enforcing this law? If > they're gaining so much, why doesn't CT, DE, CO go along with this valiant > effort? There has to be more to this law and our legislators > than meets the > eye. Again, who are the real benefactors? Please advise. 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------=_NextPart_000_0473_01BE6D3A.6ECE57E0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 15:04:18 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05531 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:04:16 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id uBXZa26924; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:56:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:56:36 EST To: Wishn4him@XXXXXX, POSTMAN28M@XXXXXX, Voxreri@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, HOGWILDX2@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, JFitzge669@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, SassyJazz@XXXXXX, PSYCHONORD@XXXXXX, Spitsucran@XXXXXX, Edina5@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, MCF007@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, LgOvrLethr@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, Tccard@XXXXXX, VHWALLS@XXXXXX, Tophogdog@XXXXXX, SHguts@XXXXXX, Wendyrocks@XXXXXX, Kelly68@XXXXXX, Fyrstorm74@XXXXXX, Jukon@XXXXXX, JHD93@XXXXXX, HDusenbery@XXXXXX, JSHD86@XXXXXX, easyriderddg@XXXXXX, TrixiMixi@XXXXXX, SwiftRebel@XXXXXX, Skipride@XXXXXX, Tuflilbabe@XXXXXX, WilbertG@XXXXXX, Travler333@XXXXXX, HarleyzMyn@XXXXXX, UnclChrley@XXXXXX, THall67@XXXXXX, M4CYKLONE@XXXXXX, Stacey3253@XXXXXX, Alphagrrrr@XXXXXX, barretts93@XXXXXX, MACAKITA@XXXXXX, SMitch2282@XXXXXX, WHilton361@XXXXXX, Scot615@XXXXXX, Tjahdrider@XXXXXX, Khd93@XXXXXX, SWAMPHAGG@XXXXXX, BetyBp43@XXXXXX, cnccycle@XXXXXX, HDRider5@XXXXXX, Green60283@XXXXXX, Trainer175@XXXXXX, Airrr210@XXXXXX, ShdwRdr667@XXXXXX, RUTHLEZZ@XXXXXX, EYoung5152@XXXXXX, LoneTrim@XXXXXX, DDeihl9445@XXXXXX, R90S@XXXXXX, LIKEAMU@XXXXXX, JOSEB123@XXXXXX, SConsaul@XXXXXX, LeeOwen@XXXXXX, DBASS753@XXXXXX, KIKSTARTR@XXXXXX, NIKOTROIA@XXXXXX, SMARTASSS4@XXXXXX, RPass32730@XXXXXX, DVD@XXXXXX, NICPAS1@XXXXXX, WIKDWTCH@XXXXXX, DWOLFDOG@XXXXXX, DSR6415@XXXXXX, SusanR39@XXXXXX, JimJacks@XXXXXX, JDS4X4@XXXXXX, gvhannah@XXXXXX, Caren1m@XXXXXX, Shovl82@XXXXXX, MeanMlKE@XXXXXX, HD72Sport@XXXXXX, g.snelson@XXXXXX, LWELCH@XXXXXX, FXSB1340@XXXXXX, TDarkstar@XXXXXX, Vva451ghm@XXXXXX, DDDHDRider@XXXXXX, Skingirl@XXXXXX, BULLET1891@XXXXXX, Juicyfru69@XXXXXX, HD1996@XXXXXX, JimSchillo@XXXXXX, Sailorkel@XXXXXX, DickB95410@XXXXXX, Wicked816@XXXXXX, LJFRKOKOMO@XXXXXX, FREEDM@XXXXXX, LOWRFRED@XXXXXX, Barbbeep@XXXXXX, LouNick@XXXXXX, Harleyxtcy@XXXXXX, Biker536@XXXXXX, Camel62@XXXXXX, HOGV@XXXXXX, SUPRLAWMAN@XXXXXX, JoanReMax@XXXXXX, RoylatG1@XXXXXX, WCFATBOY@XXXXXX, WYLDTHYNG1@XXXXXX, CLAINCE@XXXXXX, Ocikat@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, StrmWatch@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, khafre@XXXXXX, Crgcrisis@XXXXXX, JFA2@XXXXXX, FabThad@XXXXXX, imidysa@XXXXXX, Spike574@XXXXXX, ZX6RKAW@XXXXXX, Gcfnb@XXXXXX, DGaeng@XXXXXX, JMille5592@XXXXXX, BOOKEMinDC@XXXXXX, Carolbiker@XXXXXX, MOTOCYCLER@XXXXXX, PROBIKE4U@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, true@XXXXXX, BBtintop@XXXXXX, SEVENSPEAR@XXXXXX, JLarsen930@XXXXXX, ERICARCHER@XXXXXX, Prsdntlbch@XXXXXX, KAT88888@XXXXXX, fdinata@XXXXXX, OsbornKev@XXXXXX, snake69@XXXXXX, LBKIII@XXXXXX, SMITHCAR69@XXXXXX, HarleyDew@XXXXXX, Wizzette32@XXXXXX, Hdavbabe@XXXXXX, JTEE007@XXXXXX, peter@XXXXXX, SJordan185@XXXXXX, rockwood_lelia@XXXXXX, GUFEAR@XXXXXX, LaceWheels@XXXXXX, Ruffinmug@XXXXXX, pgerhardt@XXXXXX, Chuckbiker@XXXXXX, Onebil2mny@XXXXXX, Dadnhisboy@XXXXXX, Postman53@XXXXXX, Geeshaw@XXXXXX, Panda098@XXXXXX, EZRyder421@XXXXXX, RWitten69@XXXXXX, Ladytaz47@XXXXXX, FRexach@XXXXXX, Ndmny@XXXXXX, robin_m_gilliam@XXXXXX, BlackcatU2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **POKER RUN 3/21 & WOMEN'S LEATHERS** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 THE HEYSER'S "JK POKER RUN" HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO SUNDAY, MARCH 21 HEYSER'S IN LAUREL ON RT. 1 Registration 8:30 a.m., last bike out 10:00 a.m. Refer to their Web site for more details Heyser's Home Page On another note, one of our riders sent me this note and believe it may be of interest to some of you. Bill, have you contacted Margaret at C&C in Crofton. She has the same concerns other women do and solved the problem by opening up her own store! Give her a shout too. cnccycle@XXXXXX Subj: Womens Jacket day Date: 3/13/99 12:41:43 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Onebil2mny To: LilBkrBabe Lee, My girl friend has a problem.... One that many women riders share. Riding apparel is hard to find, especially if you aren't in to fringe and halter tops while riding. So, to help in this a local shop in Kensington, MD has agreed to have a women's day, on either a Sat. or a Sun. A First Gear rep. will be there, with lots of jackets in women's sizes. But before this is set in stone, we need to show First Gear that women will show up. So, will you send this out to the group? If a person is interested, send me a name, and E-mail address or daytime phone number. I'm not selling these, and I wont give them to any organization, honest! I just need to prove to the shop owner and First Gear rep that a lot of women will show up. Thanks! Bill Kistner Onrbil2mny@XXXXXX 301-933-6943 P.S. Since this is my business number, they can also call. Just leave the info after the beep! (the machine answers "Bill's Tool & Equipment") From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 19:19:33 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09548 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA19704 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.152] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AE6F270240; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:10:23 EST Message-ID: <36EB0086.B9C607A@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:19:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... References: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > That's right, I believe a helmet can do that. I just don't believe > the state needs to mandate it. So where is the problem?! If you believe wearing a helmet is safe, why fight a law that makes you wear one? That doesn't make sense. By fighting this law, groups like ABATE and even the AMA give the general public the impression that bikers as a whole hate helmets and won't wear them voluntarily. The public will then think that motorcycling is too dangerous, and will take steps to legislate it out of existence. None of us want that. I say leave the helmet law alone! It isn't hurting anything. Concentrate your efforts on discrimination against riders, off-road trails, HOV restrictions, etc. etc. - i.e. something that makes sense, and doesn't give the impression that we are a bunch of irresponsible risk-takers. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 19:34:11 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09779 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.152] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A1C3C3A0134; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:24:35 EST Message-ID: <36EB03DA.474589EC@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:33:30 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX wrote: > > Candidly, I can't believe that common sense must be a matter > for the courts to decide. Because "common sense" isn't necessarily all that common anymore. Sad but true. Sometimes you've got to pass laws to protect the yahoos from themselves so that the rest of us can have some fun. Dale Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 13 21:39:09 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11667 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:39:05 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id VAA13549; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:36:33 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma013513; Sat, 13 Mar 99 21:36:30 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8K005NECM2ON@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256734.000E040C ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:33:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:33:14 -0500 Subject: Re: On the fringes of Moto To: mobacc Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256734.000DC1F4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=rB4cMbA3DrxrJT7AB8NnIQakkOUEb978Gtc3oeX0XlmMaLwdqmF1ehxg" Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL --0__=rB4cMbA3DrxrJT7AB8NnIQakkOUEb978Gtc3oeX0XlmMaLwdqmF1ehxg Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Bill, My father (retired after 32 years in the USAF) flew that plane from 1962 to 1994. Needless to say, I have a certain affinity for it. The "Buff" ,as it is affectionately called, is truly a great plane. Some of my fondest childhood memories are living on USAF bases watching it fly overhead. Thanks for the post! --chris To: Dc Cycles cc: From: mobacc Date: 03/13/99 03:15:34 PM GMT Subject: On the fringes of Moto The pace of technology. New computers every few years, new car designs, new MC bells and whistles. Change, change, change, change, change. Well, relax on this from this morning's NYT -- "The granddaddy of United States bombers, the B-52, which first entered the nation's bomber force in June 1955, is going to have to fly four decades into the new century, the Air Force says. . . .80-plus years old [when retired]. [Other planes taking priority.]" What a record! Think about the environments, stresses and upgrades those sophisticated machines have already endured in our throwaway times. This has to be a true icon. It will be almost twice as old as the concept of heavier-than-air flight was when it was born. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Planning on lasting forever Join the AMA. 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. --0__=rB4cMbA3DrxrJT7AB8NnIQakkOUEb978Gtc3oeX0XlmMaLwdqmF1ehxg-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 09:24:48 1999 Return-Path: jugernaut@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26589 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-75-148.s148.tnt3.man.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.75.148]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id JAA26374 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:24:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EBC6A2.F7A8E3DA@erols.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:24:35 -0500 From: James Knowlton Reply-To: jugernaut@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet debate References: <199903140000.TAA09229@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:06:39 EST > To: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: SJordan185@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile > > Just wanted to put my 2 cents in today. I usually don't get involved in debates > in this list because I am too afraid of getting flamed, but what the heck - > nothing else better to do today. For myself, there is no way I would get on a motorcycle without a helmet. Not because I don't have any confidence in my ability to ride, but sometimes things happen. Hit a piece of gravel, an animal could run out in front of you, a car could cut you off, mechanical difficulty - any number of things. A helmet may or may not prevent you from getting killed, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts you reduce your chance of head injury. Wouldn't want to give you a percentage on that for fear of being wrong, but I bet it's pretty high. All of the things you said about riding ability, other people being at fault etc. are true. Motorcyclists are taught how to avoid accidents with cars, but people who drive cars are given no education in how to avoid accidents with motorcycles. Who knows what the figures are for what causes accidents? I agree that it would be money well spent finding out what the major causes of motorcycle related accidents are and find someway of rectifying it. Try running that by a legislator though. Don't think they would be too interested. The whole point is that accidents happen, and they will always happen. There is no way you can make this sport is 100% safe, with or without a study. The point is why not do something to prevent serious head injury and wear a helmet. I think if we relied on common sense of the common man, we would be in a world of hurt. Most people in this area don't have a lick of common sense or common courtesy. Just get out on the road during rush hour and I'm sure you will see what I mean. One other point I'd like to make about personal freedom and the right to wear or not to wear a helmet. Some people say that they are not harming anyone else if they do not wear a helmet. I don't think I agree entirely with that one. Suppose you get in an accident while not wearing a helmet and your a vegetable for the rest of your life. Who do you think is going to pay the bill? Everyone else whether it is through higher insurance premiums to pay your medical, or taxes if you receive government assistance. Anyway, I did not write this response to flame you. Especially sense you said you would never get on a bike without a helmet. Just wanted to get some thoughts I had on the subject out there and see if anyone agrees with my ludicrous theories. Jim '98 YZF > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 09:41:32 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26827 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:41:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:37:49 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: helmet debate Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:38:30 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01be6e28$549ee800$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <36EBC6A2.F7A8E3DA@erols.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > One other point I'd like to make about personal freedom and the > right to wear or > not to wear a helmet. Some people say that they are not harming > anyone else if they > do not wear a helmet. I don't think I agree entirely with that > one. Suppose you get > in an accident while not wearing a helmet and your a vegetable > for the rest of your > life. Who do you think is going to pay the bill? Everyone else > whether it is > through higher insurance premiums to pay your medical, or taxes > if you receive > government assistance. The old 'social burden' theory. Guess what? It doesn't work. There's no evidence that as a group motorcyclists cost any more to society than cagers/pedestrians/truckers/possums. Nice try though. It is an argument that 'feels' right. But it isn't. So with that out the window.... There's no real reason for helmet laws except to push us down the slippery slope towards extinction. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 10:26:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27505 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00196 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10227 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03169 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust018.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.18]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA18616 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:28:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990314102446.006a9910@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:24:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Helmet laws In-Reply-To: <36EB0086.B9C607A@tidalwave.net> References: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Remind me again why it IS ok to go 'joy-riding' in a motor vehicle and why it IS NOT ok to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Both groups of citizens are taking unnecessary risks with their own lives (and the lives of their fellow citizens.) Shouldn't both of these activities be restricted in a similar manner? Leon. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 12:39:34 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29630 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA06053 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA01733; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:39:05 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.167.58]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990314173859.YJCI5455@toddnt>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:38:59 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: RE: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:36:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be6e41$403187b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36EB0086.B9C607A@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > > Todd Peer wrote: > > That's right, I believe a helmet can do that. I just don't believe > > the state needs to mandate it. > > So where is the problem?! If you believe wearing a helmet is safe, > why fight a law that makes you wear one? That doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense Dale? You keep avoiding the central issue of this entire debate, legislated safety as opposed to personal choice. You keep pointing to the 'dummies' and 'idiots' that would not otherwise wear a helmet unless they were forced to. Don't people have a right to be stupid (in your opinion) if they want to? If not, why not? Maybe instead of requiring that everyone be treated like the lowest common denominator (the so-called stupid people), our gubmnt can just outlaw stupidity. That should take care of it right? Problem is, it's a matter of subjective opinion. > ........ > The public will then think that motorcycling is too dangerous, and > will take steps to legislate it out of existence. None of us want that. It's obvious you won't be persuaded on this, and that's fine. I just wish you'd stick to the issue. Speculating on what will happen to motorcyclings future if we continue down this 'dangerous' path is more of a waste of time than showing a little solidarity. As if the only issues that matter are the ones you care about. I look at the repeal of helmet laws like a victory for all of us. If we don't fight on this issue, it's like giving ground to an ever intrusive state. After we win this repeal (and we will, like it or not), we can start debating leg protectors. And when we win that one, we can start debating BHP limits. And on, and on. And I'm sure somebody will give me a hard time about that too. Oh well. Todd(no riding today, it's snowing :( From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 16:54:59 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04008 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA10814 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:54:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EC5B48.6D8B@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:58:48 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: [Fwd: FS: '93 motorcycle ...] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------73F42C092B91" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------73F42C092B91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, This looks like it might be a deal. Usual disclaimers apply :) JK --------------73F42C092B91 Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: news.clark.net!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.torrentnet.com!dirty.meretrix.com!cs.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!y.glue.umd.edu!jmaybury From: jmaybury@XXXXXX (James J. Maybury) Newsgroups: dc.forsale.misc,um.forsale Subject: FS: '93 motorcycle ... Date: 12 Mar 1999 19:17:19 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: um Message-ID: <7cbp7v$so1$1@hecate.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: y.glue.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.clark.net dc.forsale.misc:27343 um.forsale:16130 Hi, I am selling my '93 Suzuki GS500E motorcycle which has just under 15,750 miles on it. You can see it at the following URL: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~jmaybury/motorcycle.html As you will notice, it was recently in a minor accident and is for sale as is. It is still in working condition (I have driven it on I-495 - the beltway - in it's current condition - although I would highly recommend not doing so until you have it fixed). The accident was at very low speeds (10-15 mph) and it fell on its right side. The front forks are in good condition, however the handlebar is bent (thus making it harder to drive reliably). I am asking $750 for it, as is. You can e-mail me at: jmaybury@XXXXXX or call: (301) 422-7631 and leave a message if you are interested. Thanks, James --------------73F42C092B91-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 18:03:39 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05121 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA24152; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:03:30 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from viking.concentric.net (viking [206.173.119.81]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA28036; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:03:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:03:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Renting in DC area. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Saw this on the VFR list and thought some of you might be able to help this guy out. reply to : ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:10:12 -0600 From: Mike B. Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX To: vfr Subject: Renting in DC area. I will be in The DC area on business starting Monday and was wondering if anyone knew of a place to rent bikes in the area. The weather will be starting to warm up and I will be without a Motorcycle for two weeks. What a time to travel. Wait all season for the weather to warm up, and when it does I can't ride.... -Mike B. '99 Interceptor -- http://www.megsinet.net/~romad/ We ride ... to hell. Or to glory. It depends on your point of view. - George Armstrong Custer ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 19:35:21 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06819 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:35:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990315003618.1563.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.78] by send204.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:36:18 PST Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:36:18 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: FS: One share in the tirechanger To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Such a deal! Since I'm moving to south Florida I'm offering my share of the DC tirechanger for what I paid for it ($30). Reply by email to raymondlucas@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 20:27:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07652 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05543 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16960 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05763 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.26.193] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A0325250154; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:19:46 EST Message-ID: <36EC624F.7C91FED5@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:28:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet laws References: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <3.0.3.32.19990314102446.006a9910@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > Remind me again why it IS ok to go 'joy-riding' in a motor vehicle and why > it IS NOT ok to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Because maybe it's tough to determine from casual observation whether someone is joyriding in a cage or just travelling to the local 7-11 for a Slurpee. Alas, riding a bike helmetless is a whole lot easier to notice. BTW, all my motorcycle rides are 'joy-rides', since I enjoy bikes so much. I sure hope joy-riding isn't illegal. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 20:49:46 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07966 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA02591 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.26.193] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A55945B00D6; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:41:45 EST Message-ID: <36EC6776.E0E3D54B@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:50:46 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... References: <000a01be6e41$403187b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > Don't people have a right to be stupid > (in your opinion) if they want to? Sure, people can be, and are, stupid all the time. > If not, why not? Because if too many stupid people bash their skulls open on our boulevards and streets while riding motorcycles, just what do you think the logical conclusion will be? Govt #1: "Oh, we tried outlawing helmets, bikers cried about personal freedom." Govt #2: "Well, motorcycling is just too dangerous without helmets, so let's outlaw motorcycling." THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD! Sorry, didn't mean to yell, but Todd isn't getting my point. > Speculating on what will happen to motorcyclings future if > we continue down this 'dangerous' path is more of a waste of time > than showing a little solidarity. Agreed. But if we want to prevent laws about motorcycle airbags and leg protectors we'll probably have to compromise. It's how our government works. Our compromise is a law forcing us to wear helmets. Todd, you and I have already stated that we believe that wearing helmets is a good idea. This isn't much of a compromise from our standpoint. > I look at the repeal of helmet laws like a victory for > all of us. And I see them as abysmal failures. Some states now allow riding helmetless if and only if the rider displays much higher levels of insurance protection. That's a victory? If so, it's a very hollow one. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 21:25:44 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08527 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.troutman.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.122.220.153]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA04008 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by gecko.troutman.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA00660; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:25:30 -0500 Received: from iguana(172.16.50.1) by gecko via smap (V2.1) id xma000658; Sun, 14 Mar 99 21:25:23 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990314212138.00931f00@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:25:16 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , Todd Peer From: Mike T Subject: Re: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36EC6776.E0E3D54B@tidalwave.net> References: <000a01be6e41$403187b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:50 PM 3/14/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Agreed. But if we want to prevent laws about motorcycle airbags >and leg protectors we'll probably have to compromise. It's how our >government works. Our compromise is a law forcing us to wear helmets. >Todd, you and I have already stated that we believe that wearing helmets >is a good idea. This isn't much of a compromise from our standpoint. Ouch. Don't want to get into it, but you truly lost me with this one. Comprimise is not how the government has to work. Eventually you compomise yourself into a corner with nothing else left to give up. There may be specific times to comprimise, but don't use a blanket statement. I'm all for helmets, but believe some of the anti-helmet rhetoric is legitimate. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org =================================== No sig today..... =================================== DNRC member since '97 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 21:32:15 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08693 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA17343 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:32:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EC9C48.308F@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:36:08 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: VFRs at Coleman's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, I stopped at Coleman's PS yesterday and was surprised to see two brand, spanking, new 1997 VFR's for sale there. These were not there last month. The drone said $7,100. A diligent buyer with cash in hand should prolly be able to take one for $6,500 I figure. Which sounds like it could be almost a better deal than than my new(ish) 1995 VFR750F. I picked this one up last month in upstate NY with the help of one of our generous fellow listers, Glenn Dysart. Those of you who know me know I have an '85 VF700F. The differences between the two machines is nothing short of startling. I am very pleased with this bike. I took some pics of the VFR (650 miles on the clock!) with its D&D polished aluminum can and a very s-w-e-e-t Tail-Locker trunk / fender eliminator. I also painted the lower fairing silver. Here's a pic of the right side: http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes05.jpg and the left side : http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes06.jpg Enjoy! JK From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 21:53:24 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09018 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr23-dialup54.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.71.182]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35317) with SMTP id <0F8M00MBA7ZBOZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:52:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:53:02 +0000 From: Jon Subject: Re: VFRs at Coleman's To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles Message-id: <00d001be6e65$16fbb720$344c3ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Damn John, very sweet ride! I really like the silver lowers. The tail locker kit looks very clean. Can't wait to see it in person..... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John C. Kozyn To: dc-cycles Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 2:41 AM Subject: VFRs at Coleman's >Hey DC Guys & Gals, > >I stopped at Coleman's PS yesterday and was surprised to see two brand, >spanking, new 1997 VFR's for sale there. These were not there last >month. The drone said $7,100. A diligent buyer with cash in hand should >prolly be able to take one for $6,500 I figure. Which sounds like it >could be almost a better deal than than my new(ish) 1995 VFR750F. > >I picked this one up last month in upstate NY with the help of one of >our generous fellow listers, Glenn Dysart. Those of you who know me know >I have an '85 VF700F. The differences between the two machines is >nothing short of startling. I am very pleased with this bike. > >I took some pics of the VFR (650 miles on the clock!) with its D&D >polished >aluminum can and a very s-w-e-e-t Tail-Locker trunk / fender eliminator. >I also painted the lower fairing silver. Here's a pic of the right side: > > http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes05.jpg > >and the left side : > > http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes06.jpg > >Enjoy! > >JK From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 22:11:17 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09261 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA06586 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18326 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:11:11 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id jBGRa23612 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:10:52 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <5f0e1461.36ec7a3c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:10:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: wsdymfg was:vfrs at colemans Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 << http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes05.jpg >> After checking out some of the pics on the rest of John's site, Im curious to know what it takes to ride with 'the gang'.... And when is the next ride? Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 22:19:48 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09426 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:19:47 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2MROa25516 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:16:22 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <988f2216.36ec7b86@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:16:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Calling Jeanette! Calling Jeanette! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Saw this float by on the CBR list.... "Hello my name is Lynda and I am starting a new web page for Female Sportbike Riders! If you have any suggestions or pictures please e-mail me direct at ROKETQUEN1@XXXXXX as i will be unsubscribing from this mailing list. I am currently on the CBR900RR mail list. Lynda a.k.a CBR GIRL" Thought you might dig that. -Sean Jordan '78 Honda CB400T '83 Honda Interceptor '93 Honda CB1000F From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 14 23:30:55 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10616 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA10405 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:27:08 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Todd Peer" Cc: Subject: RE: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:27:58 -0500 Message-ID: <003301be6e9c$34107580$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <36EC6776.E0E3D54B@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > I look at the repeal of helmet laws like a victory for > > all of us. > > And I see them as abysmal failures. Some states now allow riding > helmetless if and only if the rider displays much higher levels > of insurance protection. That's a victory? If so, it's a very > hollow one. While I'm generally with Todd on this one, you have definitely made a very good point. As a matter of fact, these insurance scams are much, much worse than helmet laws. Why? Because they give credence to the social burden garbage. Once you have tacitly admitted that, it's VERY easy to bin motorcycles. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 01:49:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA12696 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09939 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20669 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:45:52 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Jason A Howell" Subject: Keep Right Except to Pass Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:46:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be6eaf$964837c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 http://TheFunnyBone.com/slower/slower.shtml ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 07:10:01 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18620 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F538141@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'Thomas and Jeannette'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What a pain! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:05:41 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Yeah but there is more to it then that. If you get caught without insurance in VA they also require you to have SR-22 insurance for I believe 3 years. SR-22 insurance is an insurance where if you don't make your insurance payments the insurance company notifies the state who then in turn suspends your license. The bottom line here is to always have insurance and not worry about this hassle. Glenn >As for Virgina's law.... if you get caught it's a $400 fee for not having >insurance, PERIOD! Don't ask me how I know... From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:15:37 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19657 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01076; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:17:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001001be6e81$4792eb80$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" , Subject: Re: What a pain! Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:15:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Yep... you are right there. I forgot about that part. -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM To: 'Thomas and Jeannette' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 7:12 AM Subject: RE: What a pain! >Yeah but there is more to it then that. If you get caught without insurance >in VA they also require you to have SR-22 insurance for I believe 3 years. >SR-22 insurance is an insurance where if you don't make your insurance >payments the insurance company notifies the state who then in turn suspends >your license. The bottom line here is to always have insurance and not >worry about this hassle. > >Glenn > > >>As for Virgina's law.... if you get caught it's a $400 fee for not having >>insurance, PERIOD! Don't ask me how I know... > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:18:49 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19680 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8B410CF01F0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315075709.017ead40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:01:02 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <002501be6cd3$047f1850$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990312160301.017cd900@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:55 PM 3/12/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Finally, if we risk "much broader anti-motorcycle legislation that gets >around the helmet law technical challenges", what have we lost? A perceived >right? Our freedom? In this case, the gubmnt wins period, end of story and >no recourse available. That IS how the gubmnt plays, so why shouldn't we >citizens? >Todd What have we lost? The argument, and the war. If legislators perceive that helmet laws, widely perceived as "common sense", aren't working then that gives the legislators added incentive to pass laws requiring more "safety improvements" to motorcycles. I believe that by shifting the helmet law focus from risk and responsibility to that of technicalities (can an average citizen read and understand an engineering standard) we risk inciting legislators into doing more about motorcycle design to improve "safety" -- and that likely means leg protectors, air bags, etc. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:18:48 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19679 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8B310CF01F0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:43 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315075309.017d0b40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:56:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <002601be6cd3$05cf6610$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990312161624.017d6420@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris Norloff wrote: >> Just as people's failure to use seat belts led to passive restraints, >> automatic seat belts, and air bags, I believe people's failure to use >> helmets and other protective gear will result in more emphasis on >> re-designing the vehicle to "make up" for those failures -- and that means >> leg protectors, motorcycle air bags, etc. > Todd Peer wrote: >I'm not sure of your position here Chris. Are you saying that you'd kiss >the gubmnt's ass so they'll just go away quietly? Get real man! They are >not going away. Agencies like NHTSA are meddlesome bureaucracies that >justify their very existence by fucking with yours. Please spare me the >gloom and doom if I feel like standing against them. >Todd I believe that "standing against them" is better accomplished by methods other than using technicalities to beat a state helmet law. There's more to helmet laws, risk, and responsibility than whether or not an average citizen can read and understand helmet engineering standards (which was the technicality, I understand, used to beat this ticket). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:18:49 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19681 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8B110CF01F0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315081151.017e8070@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:15:01 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: graspics and blizzaks In-Reply-To: <038601be6d07$df15d060$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Elie Rosenblum wrote: >>>It's apparently some specially constructed rubber structure that sticks >>>_really_ well to ice. > >Reviews of graspics, blizzaks at http://miata.net/products/wheels/.=20 >Bill S. / DC=20 Neat, thanks. After noting that Bridgestone makes Blizzaks I checked out their website -- not much specifically on the Blizzaks, except: "Patented MULTICELL tread compound with microscopic pores that bite thru snow and stick to ice.=20 Exclusive TRACPOINT sipes provide additional edges to cut through water film improving wet and snow traction.=20 Interlocking tread pattern controls tread block movement, providing good handling and promoting even tire wear. " http://www.bridgestone-usa.com/products/BSBlizz.htm and=20 "Features UNI-T=99, Ultimate Network of Intelligent Tire Technology.=20 BLIZZAK winter tires feature a patented tread rubber compound developed by Bridgestone to deliver ice and snow performance without studs!=20 Additional leading-edge technologies and tread pattern elements, including Zig-Zag Sipes, to help improve performance in icy conditions" http://www.bridgestone-usa.com/products/bsblizzm02.htm I wonder if there'd be much market for motorcycle Blizzaks? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:18:49 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19683 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8B510CF01F0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315081849.017d07d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:19:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: On the fringes of Moto In-Reply-To: <85256734.000DC1F4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:33 PM 3/13/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >My father (retired after 32 years in the USAF) flew that plane from 1962 to >1994. Needless to say, I have a certain affinity for it. The "Buff" ,as >it is affectionately called, is truly a great plane. Some of my fondest >childhood memories are living on USAF bases watching it fly overhead. Ahem ... that's BUF, not Buff. It stands for Big Ugly F... Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:20:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19717 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8B610CF01F0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:18:46 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315082155.017b5210@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:23:56 -0500 To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Renting in DC area. (fwd) Cc: romad@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The only place I've heard of is actually in West Virginia, but that's the closest to DC. "Mountain Thunder" or something like that. They do tours and also rent bikes, I think. I have their address at home, but John Weinstein (WeinsteJ@XXXXXX) knows the guy and could probably help out. Chris Norloff At 06:03 PM 3/14/99 , Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > > Saw this on the VFR list and thought some of you >might be able to help this guy out. > >reply to : > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:10:12 -0600 >From: Mike B. >Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX >To: vfr >Subject: Renting in DC area. > >I will be in The DC area on business starting Monday and >was wondering if anyone knew of a place to rent bikes >in the area. The weather will be starting to warm up >and I will be without a Motorcycle for two weeks. >What a time to travel. Wait all season for the weather >to warm up, and when it does I can't ride.... > >-Mike B. >'99 Interceptor >-- >http://www.megsinet.net/~romad/ > >We ride ... to hell. Or to glory. It depends on your point of view. > - George Armstrong Custer >------------------------------------------------------------------ >The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ >for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:38:47 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20093 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 15 Mar 1999 13:38:45 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA14400 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:38:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: On the fringes of Moto In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990315081849.017d07d0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Ahem ... that's BUF, not Buff. It stands for Big Ugly F... > > Chris Norloff > No, That's Buff. Big Ugly Fat F... Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 08:57:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20440 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA14017 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26303 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA24970 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6EC1.CDF4F980@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Personal Property Tax --> Fed. Deduction??!! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:57:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was doing my taxes this weekend, utilizing Turbotax, and at one point during the "interview", it made a reference to personal property taxes being deducted on my Federal tax return. However, it did not mention that Virginia was an eligible state. Does anyone know for certain that that is the case? Why would some states be eligible, like Connecticut, and not Virginia? MC content --> I think by the end of the week all of this "winter" will be gone & I'll be back out riding!! John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 09:15:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20794 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14254 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA26667 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A5EB18501C6; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:15:07 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990315091745.017f1cd0@mail.toward.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19990315091745.017f1cd0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:20:54 -0500 To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Personal Property Tax --> Fed. Deduction??!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:57 AM 3/15/99 , Carver, John wrote: >I was doing my taxes this weekend, utilizing Turbotax, and at one point >during the "interview", it made a reference to personal property taxes >being deducted on my Federal tax return. However, it did not mention >that Virginia was an eligible state. Does anyone know for certain that >that is the case? Why would some states be eligible, like Connecticut, >and not Virginia? Personal property tax is deductible if you itemize deductions. Chris Norloff P.S. A couple years ago I met an IRS Auditor. She was conducting classes in the local library teaching people how to do their taxes, and answering questions. Seeing my large stack of tax publications and notes, she came over and introduced herself. We had a nice, informative chat, and she advised me to be careful of commercial tax software, and to never use Turbo Tax because of the numerous errors in it. :-o From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 09:43:36 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21193 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:43:34 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA29615; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:44:36 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027275; Mon, 15 Mar 99 09:40:41 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8N00BML4T0A2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256735.00505468 ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:37:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:50:20 -0500 Subject: Re: On the fringes of Moto To: Alex Milenkovic Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256735.004F9416.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Correct! Tell him what he's won ... --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Alex Milenkovic Date: 03/15/99 01:38:40 PM GMT Subject: Re: On the fringes of Moto > > Ahem ... that's BUF, not Buff. It stands for Big Ugly F... > > Chris Norloff > No, That's Buff. Big Ugly Fat F... Alex. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 09:49:12 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21270 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA09676 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA15389; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:45:32 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990315144838.DNIY7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:48:38 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: RE: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:46:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be6ef2$aca6dbf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <003301be6e9c$34107580$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > > > I look at the repeal of helmet laws like a victory for > > > all of us. > > > > And I see them as abysmal failures. Some states now allow riding > > helmetless if and only if the rider displays much higher levels > > of insurance protection. That's a victory? If so, it's a very > > hollow one. > > While I'm generally with Todd on this one, you have definitely made a very > good point. As a matter of fact, these insurance scams are much, > much worse > than helmet laws. Why? Because they give credence to the social burden > garbage. Once you have tacitly admitted that, it's VERY easy to bin > motorcycles. > The point made missed one very important detail. The motorcyclist groups involved in repealing the laws 'compromised' and allowed for the higher insurance. No WAY would I agree to that. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:06:38 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21587 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA10647 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA20353 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:06:23 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:06:23 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:06:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >The point made missed one very important detail. The >motorcyclist groups involved in repealing the laws 'compromised' >and allowed for the higher insurance. No WAY would I agree to >that. >Todd Even worse - this results in a tacit admission that motorcycling is in fact a dangerous activity and is a burden on society in general From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:07:04 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21597 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:07:02 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA10655 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA13189; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:08:15 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma010410; Mon, 15 Mar 99 10:03:26 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8N00G3D5UXDC@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256735.00526837 ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:00:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:18:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... To: Dale Horstman Cc: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256735.004E56C1.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL That's not a victory Dale ... unrestricted repeal of helmet laws is. --chris To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Horstman Date: 03/15/99 01:50:46 AM GMT Subject: Re: Thoughtful Commentary Was: Haven't had a good helmet....... --snip-- And I see them as abysmal failures. Some states now allow riding helmetless if and only if the rider displays much higher levels of insurance protection. That's a victory? If so, it's a very hollow one. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:16:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21756 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15777 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA28117 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:16 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:07 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:18:38 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: Personal Property Tax --> Fed. Deduction??!! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline All I know is, my accountant has been deducting my state PP taxes on my Federal return for five years, no probs. Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:16:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21753 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15772 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28118 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA19397 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6ECC.C1CBDF60@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Outlawing Motorcycles -- Let it go :-) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:15:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The crazy enviro-nazi Californians tried to outlaw 2 strokes completely, or at least that was my understanding, but can you imagine the repercussions if that had come to pass? I mean, what woud they have done? Seized all 2 strokes? CA would have lost many $$$ to other states where 2 strokes are legal. Similar efforts have been attempted in the stupid federal government in DC, such as trying to outlaw cars that are over a certain age. (I'm struggling to maintain my composure and not use four letter words to describe this insane waste of my tax dollars) My '83 Chevy complies with all emission and safety requirements of 1983 and that's ALL that is required. It would be silly, to say the least, to outlaw my fine automobile. THE POINT: Manufactures and consumers, as limited in numbers as motorcycles are, have many $$$ invested in motorcycling. To outlaw something that is a viable transportation method would be very difficult IMO. "Anyone who is willing to give up freedom for safety, neither deserves to be free or safe." Ben Franklin John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:29:08 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21958 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA03465; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:28:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-34.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.162) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003401; Mon Mar 15 09:27:38 1999 Message-ID: <017801be6ef8$7508ac40$a272d9ce@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "'dc'" Cc: "Winchester Indian MC Shop" Subject: Great news for Moto Guzzi Enthusiast, but very long..... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:28:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 =20 =20 Moto Guzzi tries to revive biker image=20 =20 REUTERS=20 =20 NEW YORK, March 12 =97 Italian luxury motorcycle = maker Moto Guzzi Corp. (OB:GUZIA) is mapping out a return to its heyday = as the manufacturer of one of the world's most prestigious big touring = bikes.=20 A week ago, the company finalized a = partnership agreement with North Atlantic Acquisition Co. that provided = it with $8.9 million in cash equity and $15 million in warrants.=20 =20 With the new partnership and investment = in technology, Moto Guzzi plans to take on the luxury-bike leaders, = Harley-Davidson (NYSE:HDI) and BMW (F:BMWG), by lowering its $11,000 = average price for its new model, and targeting a younger, and possibly = female, rider.=20 The company expects to see nearly 400 = percent sales growth in four years, the company's top official said in = an interview with Reuters on Thursday.=20 Moto Guzzi's current models are the = California, Nevada Club, V10 Centauro and 1100 Sport Corsa. Two new = bikes will roll out this year, the VII Sport, and another as-yet-unnamed = bike dubbed the California "naked sport bike."=20 "The U.S. market is ripe. Harley has = dominated the market for so long and they make a nice bike, but people = want a change," said Moto Guzzi Executive Chairman Mark Hauser.=20 The motorcycle industry has seen 8 = percent to 10 percent growth for the past seven years, and the biggest = motorcycles, the heavy bike market, has seen growth of 18 percent to 23 = percent during that time.=20 Heavyweight bikes make up a $5 billion = annual market worldwide.=20 Founded after World War One by friends = from an Italian Air Force unit, Moto Guzzi was a dominant luxury bike = maker until the 1970s. It was the bike of choice by police officers = around the world and dominated international racing events.=20 The company hit the skids more than 20 = years ago when its parent company focused its energies on its sleek = Maserati car line. U.S.-based Harley-Davidson Inc. and Germany's BMW AG = have dominated the luxury market since then.=20 Moto Guzzi hopes the sheer prevalence of = the competitors' bikes will be a selling point for its bike rich with = Italian styling and heritage.=20 "Motorcycle riders tend to be individualists," = Hauser said. With so many Harleys and BMWs on the road, the high-end = rider might be looking for something distinguishing.=20 Moto Guzzi makes 6,000 bikes a year and = this year is planning for 7,000, which would let it break even on a net = basis, Hauser said. Within four years, the company plans to make 20,000 = to 25,000 bikes annually.=20 In its prime, the company's Italian plant = had a capacity to build 50,000 bikes a year.=20 "We bought the company two years ago and = we're looking to rebuild it," said Hauser, who is also the chief = executive officer of New York-based Trident Rowan Group Inc. = (NASDAQ:TRGI), which in addition to Moto Guzzi, makes metal furniture = and steel tubing for vehicles.=20 Moto Guzzi had been a subsidiary of = Trident, but on March 5, started trading under its own Bulletin Board = symbol after North Atlantic Acquisition Corp. bought into the company. = Moto Guzzi has applied to be traded on Nasdaq. On Friday, it closed 31 = cents higher at $8.50 on the Bulletin Board, and has a 52-week high of = 12-14 and 52-week low of 8.=20 Hauser, who admits he did not know much = about motorcycles before he bought the company, said he now spends one = week every month at the factory.=20 And does he ride? "Now I do," he said. The = management and engineering teams were replaced at the company's sole = manufacturing plant in Mandello del Lario, about an hour north of Milan. = Between $6 million and $7 million was spent on new technology on the = plant, with further costs required in about two years when production = reaches 10,000 to 12,000 annually.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:30:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22046 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15979 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28449 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00013 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8N00OE972PP6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:30:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:32:17 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:30:16 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: Moto related - if you stretch it.... To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B7677@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain I need bottle caps - beer bottle caps - screw-offs and those that require a bottle opener. There's a Girl Scout troop in my area that is saving them and considering how much you all like to celebrate motorcycle victories and such - I thought this would be a great resource for these supplies. Just stick another bag near your recyclables to collect these caps - give me a yell, and I'll come and get them. Maybe make one day here in the next two weeks where we can all get together, form a ride to collect beer bottle caps. Thanks - Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1389 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 10:37:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22145 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16078 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web309.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA28653 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:37:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990315154340.16326.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web309.yahoomail.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:43:40 PST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:43:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Outlawing Motorcycles -- Let it go :-) To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think there was any try to it... they did! At least for off road vehicles anyway. Yet another reason among many I never want to be stationed in the Nazi Republic of Kalifornia. Dirt biking on 2 smokes is no longer allowed on open ranges... restricted to closed course competitions only. Not sure on the street bikes...Technically they haven't been too kosher in most states for a few years now (other than scooters). But lots of folks get around things with grey market imports... Collin ---"Carver, John" wrote: > > The crazy enviro-nazi Californians tried to outlaw 2 strokes completely, > or at least that was my understanding, but can you imagine the > repercussions if that had come to pass? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 11:26:27 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22983 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.44.167.52] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A2A5755011E; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:17:41 EST Message-ID: <36ED34C2.99A4BC85@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:26:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: "'dc'" , Winchester Indian MC Shop Subject: Re: Great news for Moto Guzzi Enthusiast, but very long..... References: <017801be6ef8$7508ac40$a272d9ce@uspppshephar1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds promising...big naked shaft-drive sportbikes! Yum! Thanks for the info. Dale Ken wrote: > > > > Moto Guzzi tries to revive biker image -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 12:03:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23764 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18005 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01400 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:03:45 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vUTZa15433; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:01:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57d50a36.36ed3cf1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:01:37 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Safety wiring Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Ive never safety wired a bike before, and I have to have it done before april 22nd. Is there anyone on the lists who would be willing to give a hand, or recomend a place that can help? Im willing to do it myself, but I have limited tools on hand. Thanks.... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 12:06:35 1999 Return-Path: rdwoodjr@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23871 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from gibberish.radix.net (port14.annex2.radix.net [209.48.226.14]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA18208 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:06:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36ED3E1C.164E@radix.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:06:36 -0500 From: Richard Wood Reply-To: rdwoodjr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/14/99 References: <199903150000.TAA06163@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Saw this on the VFR list and thought some of you > might be able to help this guy out. > > reply to : > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:10:12 -0600 > From: Mike B. > Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX > To: vfr > Subject: Renting in DC area. > > I will be in The DC area on business starting Monday and > was wondering if anyone knew of a place to rent bikes > in the area. The weather will be starting to warm up > and I will be without a Motorcycle for two weeks. > What a time to travel. Wait all season for the weather > to warm up, and when it does I can't ride.... > > -Mike B. > '99 Interceptor Try these people, http://www.wvbiker.com I called them, they have a lot of snow there, but do have bikes to rent. I've lived in the D.C. area for 30 years, worked in bike shops for 24 years, and know of of no other outfit that rents. Good luck Ride on Richard W From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 13:18:16 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25099 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:17:40 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:17:38 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:20:59 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: mc paint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Can't remember who was looking for a painter, but we've got a great one down here. Paint by Rhonda, 804-329-1040. She's done everything from Vespas to Harleys and everything in between. She executed a simple but stunning rendition of late '60s H-D race colors on my Sprint. She was featured in one of the national cruiser mags last year. I'm sure she's got experience with the plastic/metal issue that you raised. Good luck. Joe Richmond From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 13:49:58 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25694 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-16.s16.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.16]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21791 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:49:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903151849.NAA21791@smtp1.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: FS '96 Virago 535 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:56:37 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My wife wants to sell her Yamaha Virago. Here is what the Kelly Blue Book says: > Blue Book Motorcycle Retail Report March 10, 1999 > 1996 Yamaha XV535 Virago > 2-Cylinder > 4-Stroke > 535 cc > Suggested Retail Value $3925 Our local dealer has offered us $3100 trade in. We would like to get $3600 since it only has 2800 miles on it and is in great condition. Contact me at my personal e-mail or by phone (540) 349-9992 Thanks, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 14:28:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26466 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20371 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06768 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id vCXZa29483; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:27:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <118a0e9f.36ed5f2e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:27:42 EST To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Safety wiring Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 I'm very familiar with safety wiring. Every thing on an airplane has to be safetied! I'd be willing to do it for you on some weekend. What size safety wire do you need? Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 14:49:06 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26801 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.44.167.52] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A24A3A00E0; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:40:58 EST Message-ID: <36ED6467.2FF3B74@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:49:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Just as people's failure to use seat belts led to passive restraints, > automatic seat belts, and air bags, I believe people's failure to use > helmets and other protective gear will result in more emphasis on > re-designing the vehicle to "make up" for those failures -- and that > means leg protectors, motorcycle air bags, etc. Oh, and don't forget the second brake light fastened to the back of the still-mandatory helmet. Chris, I just wanted to let you know that I agree with you here. I don't think that helmet laws will go away without some repercussions down the road. The recent trade-offs regarding riding helmetless with higher insurance coverages supports this. What will the fallout be if the "anti-helmet law" groups get their way? I don't like the potential answers to that question... The expression "Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it" seems to apply in spades here. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 16:31:18 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28771 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id QAA06532 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:31:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:31:08 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Day of Mourning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well... first time for me. As I leave my apartment this morning to go to work, I notice something rather odd. One car, one motorcycle. That's funny, there were TWO motorcycles there last night. ::groan:: It seems (according to the nice officer who came to take the report) that last night a number of bikes, including my 98 YZF600R, were abducted. I don't expect a ransom note anytime soon. The cop said it looks like the work of pros due to the number of bikes taken during the time frame, and the fact that they only took Japaneese sport bikes when other more expensive bikes were available at the same location (in my case, a Harley, and in place he had just come from, a BMW). I have an alarm with remote pager... it never went off :( This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so I'll get a check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace it with the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I almost wish I had not liked the thing... at least then I could replace it with another I'd been drooling over or something. I had a hard enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when I got the YZF. ::sigh:: - Brian Roach (ex) 98' YZF600R '99 HD FXDL From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 16:38:14 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28878 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA28973; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:38:09 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA27155; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:38:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:38:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Something Amusing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I found this at ww.brunching.com . It is part of a list rating car accesories. Moon Roof Ah, yes, the moon roof. Let us commune with the gentle healing rays of Mother Luna through a hole in the top of our Dodge Neon. This is essentially a cheap sun roof, which itself is an excessively conservative alternative to a convertible, which in turn is just for those too faint of heart to buy a motorcycle, and a motorcycle is just compensation for an inability to be transformed by a mysterious chemical accident into a super-speedster capable of running fast enough to break the time barrier. D ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 16:49:55 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29070 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 484; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:49:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990315164902.01a02950@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:49:47 -0500 To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:31 PM 3/15/99 , Brian Roach wrote: >This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so I'll get a >check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace it with >the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I almost wish >I had not liked the thing... at least then I could replace it >with another I'd been drooling over or something. I had a hard >enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when I got the >YZF. That really does suck. Where do you live? Was it chained? They have any leads? ___________________________________________ “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 16:52:14 1999 Return-Path: ewinslow@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29150 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (ewinslow@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26312; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:51:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:51:34 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Winslow To: Brian Roach cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry to hear about the theft. I hope all the insurance wrangling goes smoothly enough. Besides the alarm, Brian, what other locks or methods of securing the bike were employed at the time of theft? I live in D.C. and had someone try to steal my bike twice. Not pros, thankfully. I'm always trying to learn what works and what doesn't. Again, sorry for your loss. Sincerely, Eric M. Winslow '94 KLR650 '93 GS500E On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Brian Roach wrote: > > Well... first time for me. > > This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so I'll get a > check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace it with > the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I almost wish > I had not liked the thing... at least then I could replace it > with another I'd been drooling over or something. I had a hard > enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when I got the > YZF. > > ::sigh:: > > - Brian Roach > (ex) 98' YZF600R > '99 HD FXDL > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 17:01:25 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29324 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id RAA06583 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:01:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:01:22 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Eric Winslow wrote: > Besides the alarm, Brian, what other locks or methods of securing the bike > were employed at the time of theft? I live in D.C. and had someone try to > steal my bike twice. Not pros, thankfully. I'm always trying to learn what > works and what doesn't. Alarm (With remote pager). Cryptonite lock with braided steel cable secured around a building support. BLOCKED IN WITH MY CAR. Not a thing left. They took the bike, cover, cable, etc. There are no scratches on my car, or the guy who parks next to me, or on my other bike. This is in a well-lit carport type thing under my apartment building. They had to have physically lifted the bike over the front corner of my car to get it out. You'd THINK that would be enough. Guess not. Now I'm now worried about my other bike, and am trying to think of somewhere else to put it, at least for a little while. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 17:13:21 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29512 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:13:20 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2NFRa25945 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:12:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5e11fdaa.36ed85c3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:12:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What a pain! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 you know....no one ever asked me if I had a license! From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 17:33:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA29875 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:32:58 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA27813; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:33:55 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004109; Mon, 15 Mar 99 16:52:40 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8N00B6YOSELT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256735.0077D6AC ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:48:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:47:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Day of Mourning To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <85256735.0077673E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Sorry to hear about that, man. Where were the bikes located? DC, MD, VA? --chris To: dc-cycles cc: From: Brian Roach Date: 03/15/99 09:31:08 PM GMT Subject: Day of Mourning Well... first time for me. As I leave my apartment this morning to go to work, I notice something rather odd. One car, one motorcycle. That's funny, there were TWO motorcycles there last night. ::groan:: It seems (according to the nice officer who came to take the report) that last night a number of bikes, including my 98 YZF600R, were abducted. I don't expect a ransom note anytime soon. The cop said it looks like the work of pros due to the number of bikes taken during the time frame, and the fact that they only took Japaneese sport bikes when other more expensive bikes were available at the same location (in my case, a Harley, and in place he had just come from, a BMW). I have an alarm with remote pager... it never went off :( This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so I'll get a check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace it with the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I almost wish I had not liked the thing... at least then I could replace it with another I'd been drooling over or something. I had a hard enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when I got the YZF. ::sigh:: - Brian Roach (ex) 98' YZF600R '99 HD FXDL ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 17:36:22 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29964 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id RAA06664; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:36:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:36:18 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: <85256735.00776737.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Sorry to hear about that, man. Where were the bikes located? DC, MD, VA? > > --chris West end of Alexandria (City of) on Duke St, toward the "Landmark" area (I395) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 17:42:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00204 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23402 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA13582 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:41:53 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:41:45 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:45:06 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Outlawing Motorcycles -- Let it go :-) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline On the contrary, I think my RD and I should actually be encouraged, nay, PAID to tool around the Commonwealth. Insect control, ya know. Joe >>> "Collin T. Fagan" - 3/15/99 10:43 AM >>> I don't think there was any try to it... they did! At least for off road vehicles anyway. Yet another reason among many I never want to be stationed in the Nazi Republic of Kalifornia. Dirt biking on 2 smokes is no longer allowed on open ranges... restricted to closed course competitions only. Not sure on the street bikes...Technically they haven't been too kosher in most states for a few years now (other than scooters). But lots of folks get around things with grey market imports... Collin ---"Carver, John" wrote: > > The crazy enviro-nazi Californians tried to outlaw 2 strokes completely, > or at least that was my understanding, but can you imagine the > repercussions if that had come to pass? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 18:02:57 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00592 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:02:56 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id SAA15744; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:04:03 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023983; Mon, 15 Mar 99 17:27:12 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8N00H9FQEKH9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256735.007B08B1 ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:23:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:19:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Day of Mourning To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <85256735.007AC5CE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Brian; Wow... What a bummer. I'm looking at new bikes now, and one of my concerns is how much I'd hate to have a brand new bike stolen from me. My old Seca II doesn't put theft fears into my head - that's one of the things I kinda like about it. If someone stole it, I wouldn't like it, but at least I wouldn't be heartbroken. As a victim of three car break-ins, I know what that sinking feeling is like when you come out and find something horribly wrong with your 'baby'. Good luck with the cops and the insurance company. At least you can ride the Harley until you get a replacement. My condolences, Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 18:13:58 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00780 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:13:56 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id SAA22464; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:15:13 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003268; Mon, 15 Mar 99 17:42:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8N00J7RR41V9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256735.007C6F2C ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:39:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:32:24 -0500 Subject: Re: What a pain! To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256735.007C186F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Do you have a license? --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: STARAI@XXXXXX Date: 03/15/99 10:12:19 PM GMT Subject: Re: What a pain! you know....no one ever asked me if I had a license! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 18:36:53 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01241 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from l4rite (207-172-44-176.s176.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.44.176]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17118; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:36:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <03ed01be7005$c8b7f900$c646accf@l4rite> From: "Leslie" To: , , "dc-cycles" Subject: (NKLR) New bike and Questions Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:36:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Hello all, one of my roommates just picked up a 93' BMW K1100LT...for around $7,000 really nice bike...and $1850 under blue book value....... I rode it for a bit on Saturday....nice and smooth ride, has a Corbin seat and adjustable windshield. Lots of Storage boxes too....I'm not used to the shaft drive though. Anyhow, I was wondering if any of you might own one or know someone who does, so that I could get some basic info for him. He doesn't have an internet account, so I am going to mediate for him. Any info or comments would be helpful...especially on the ABS brakes...I have them on my car, so I know the basics...but don't know about the ABS on bikes...the bike came with a Clymer for the K100 series, it covers the K1000LT, but I don't know how much......the owners manual was not on the bike.... Only complaint I have had about the bike is the Radio.....my bike doesn't have one...and you can't start the bike on the side stand even when the bike is in neutral...out of the many bikes that I've owned this is the first with a neutral lever down kill switch..is that normal for the larger touring type bikes...I like to start mine and then finish getting geared up.....and besides its kinda cold natured from what I saw. Thanx for any help or direction to a Bavarian site for info....Les... Kat750, KLR650, NX250, XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 18:45:05 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01382 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port29.annex7.radix.net [207.226.55.29]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA26251; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:44:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903152344.SAA26251@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:50:29 -0500 To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: References: <85256735.00776737.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_593100855==_.ALT" --=====================_593100855==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:36 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >West end of Alexandria (City of) on Duke St, toward the "Landmark" area >(I395) Yikes! That's too close for comfort! I'm really sorry to hear about the loss Brian. I know what you mean about being fond of a bike. Even replaced with the same year and model doesn't replace THAT bike. I live really close to you and your post makes me really glad that my bike is keeping my Mom's garage company right now! Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad --=====================_593100855==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 05:36 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Brian Roach wrote:

>West end of Alexandria (City of) on Duke St, toward the "Landmark" area
>(I395)

Yikes!  That's too close for comfort!  I'm really sorry to hear about the loss Brian.  I know what you mean about being fond of a bike.  Even replaced with the same year and model doesn't replace THAT bike.  I live really close to you and your post makes me really glad that my bike is keeping my Mom's garage company right now!


Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX
'96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad
 --=====================_593100855==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 18:53:05 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01487 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port29.annex7.radix.net [207.226.55.29]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA27313; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:52:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903152352.SAA27313@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:58:38 -0500 To: "Leslie" From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: (NKLR) New bike and Questions Cc: "dc-cycles" In-Reply-To: <03ed01be7005$c8b7f900$c646accf@l4rite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_593584987==_.ALT" --=====================_593584987==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:36 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Leslie wrote: > Anyhow, I was wondering if any of you might own one or know someone who >does, so that I could get some basic info for him. He doesn't have an >internet account, so I am going to mediate for him. Any info or comments >would be helpful...especially on the ABS brakes...I have them on my car, so >I know the basics...but don't know about the ABS on bikes...the bike came >with a Clymer for the K100 series, it covers the K1000LT, but I don't know >how much......the owners manual was not on the bike.... Best place in the world to find out information on BMW bikes is www.ibmwr.org. The web page will give you the address for the mailing list. ibmwr stands for Internet BMW Riders and they're a great crew, always ready to answer questions. The web page is full of good information as well. Having owned two BMW K bikes, they shouldn't be cold natured at all. The best thing about a K is the instant start and run in any weather. Might need some tinkering. If you don't find anything on the web page, let me know and I'll give you the email address of a BMW friend of mine. He can answer anything you need to know. Good luck Dawn Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad --=====================_593584987==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 06:36 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Leslie wrote:

> Anyhow, I was wondering if any of you might own one or know someone who
>does, so that I could get some basic info for him.  He doesn't have an
>internet account, so I am going to mediate for him.  Any info or comments
>would be helpful...especially on the ABS brakes...I have them on my car, so
>I know the basics...but don't know about the ABS on bikes...the bike came
>with a Clymer for the K100 series, it covers the K1000LT, but I don't know
>how much......the owners manual was not on the bike....

Best place in the world to find out information on BMW bikes is www.ibmwr.org.  The web page will give you the address for the mailing list.  ibmwr stands for Internet BMW Riders and they're a great crew, always ready to answer questions.  The web page is full of good information as well.

Having owned two BMW K bikes, they shouldn't be cold natured at all.  The best thing about a K is the instant start and run in any weather.  Might need some tinkering.

If you don't find anything on the web page, let me know and I'll give you the email address of a BMW friend of mine.  He can answer anything you need to know.

Good luck

Dawn

Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX
'96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad
 --=====================_593584987==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 19:47:03 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.81]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA02443 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:47:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316005010.18507.rocketmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.11.68.82] by web511.yahoomail.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:50:10 PST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:50:10 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Day of Mourning To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like the bike thieves are out in numbers. My four-year-old CBR600 was nicked two weeks ago in D.C. Hope everyone has a good place to put their bike. That really sucks about your YZF, Brian. Sorry about the loss. Sean Sullivan --- Brian Roach wrote: > > Well... first time for me. > > As I leave my apartment this morning to go to work, I > notice > something rather odd. One car, one motorcycle. That's > funny, > there were TWO motorcycles there last night. > ::groan:: > > It seems (according to the nice officer who came to > take the > report) that last night a number of bikes, including > my 98 > YZF600R, were abducted. I don't expect a ransom note > anytime > soon. The cop said it looks like the work of pros due > to the > number of bikes taken during the time frame, and the > fact that > they only took Japaneese sport bikes when other more > expensive > bikes were available at the same location (in my > case, a Harley, > and in place he had just come from, a BMW). I have an > alarm with > remote pager... it never went off :( > > This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so > I'll get a > check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace > it with > the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I > almost wish > I had not liked the thing... at least then I could > replace it > with another I'd been drooling over or something. I > had a hard > enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when > I got the > YZF. > > ::sigh:: > > - Brian Roach > (ex) 98' YZF600R > '99 HD FXDL > > === DC-Cycles t-shirts are $10 each for S-XL, $12 for XXL and up. The logo is no. 1b at www.dc-cycles.org. Send a check and your order with shirt quantity, size and color to: Sean Sullivan 16 8TH ST, NE WASHINGTON, DC 20002 Questions? E-mail me at redsullivan@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 20:13:21 1999 Return-Path: ajax@XXXXXX Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02899 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [166.70.7.186] (helo=kurt) by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 10MiPv-00035r-00; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:13:11 -0700 Message-ID: <004101be6f4a$34c8f200$ba0746a6@kurt> From: "Kurt Simpson" To: "Leslie" , , , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) New bike and Questions Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:12:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 | Hello all, one of my roommates just picked up a 93' BMW K1100LT...for |around $7,000 really nice bike...and $1850 under blue book value....... I |rode it for a bit on Saturday....nice and smooth ride, has a Corbin seat and |adjustable windshield. Lots of Storage boxes too....I'm not used to the |shaft drive though. There are tons of BMW sites and lists...start with www.micapeak.com and look up mailing list round-ups...the bike has the reputation of being and extraordinary tourer, silky smooth and reliable... Kurt From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 20:35:30 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03284 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:35:29 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2YJYa23859 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:32:05 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <57d79f8d.36edb495@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:32:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Day of Mourning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 sorry to hear THAT........ ugh what area do you live in Brian? Marcy *keeps her bike double-locked to the fence* In a message dated 3/15/99 4:37:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > It seems (according to the nice officer who came to take the > report) that last night a number of bikes, including my 98 > YZF600R, were abducted. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 20:42:48 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03363 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:42:47 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id kEEAa13170; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:33:57 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6659394c.36edb505@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:33:57 EST To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Day of Mourning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 so they cut the cable and lifted it out? :( Marcy In a message dated 3/15/99 5:08:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > Alarm (With remote pager). Cryptonite lock with braided steel cable > secured around a building support. BLOCKED IN WITH MY CAR. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 21:03:04 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03720 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:03:02 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2ACJa25945; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:55:44 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:55:44 EST To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Day of Mourning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/15/1999 8:45:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: << sorry to hear THAT........ ugh what area do you live in Brian? Marcy *keeps her bike double-locked to the fence* In a message dated 3/15/99 4:37:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > It seems (according to the nice officer who came to take the > report) that last night a number of bikes, including my 98 > YZF600R, were abducted. >> Also sorry about your bike Brian. Post the details or a pic so those folks who don't know what it looks like can be on the lookout. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 21:15:52 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04008 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-16.s16.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.16]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04429; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:20:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903160220.VAA04429@smtp2.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: , "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: Day of Mourning Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:22:32 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dawn, Still no message...? I don't know what is up. Your "from" "to" and "subject" come through but that is all. List: Is anyone else having trouble getting Dawn's messages? Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 21:27:47 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04198 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id VAA06955 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:27:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Moving on. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, after the shock wore off this morning, I decided to take this as a good excuse to blow off a day of work (You know.. dealing with police and insurance takes a while...) and think about replacing the YZF. I can get a '99 same model for only a few bucks out of my pocket. Yamaha dropped the price $500 this year to position the R6 as their "sportbike" and the YZF as a "streetsport" (::shrug:: whatever). But where's the fun in that? I figure the only way to turn this into something even remotely posative would be to upgrade in some way. Not trying to start a holy war, BUT... I'm open to suggestions. What I liked about the YZF was above the tripleclamp bars, manageable power, lightweight, good handling. What I didn't like was the buzz you get from the 600 at high revs, and a few more lbs of torque would not be disagreeable out on the beltway. I also don't want to go past 500lbs wet... I'm 5'10, 150. I'd like to be able to pick up whatever I'm riding. I took a look at the Triumphs today at the dealer. The Daytona is really impressive, and I like the fact that it's a little different (the triple). Riding position seems preety comfy, not too commited yet agresive. Does anyone here own one or have experiance with it? The SuperHawk looks impressive as well, but I don't know too much about it. All in all, I'm looking for a bike with good torque, sportbike looks, yet comfortable enough to commute on and not need advil for my back. Not R1/9R/9RR seriousness, but more than the VFR. Basically, a larger displacement version of my YZF600R, which was basically the most tame 600cc sportbike last year. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 21:39:44 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04378 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id VAA06976; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:39:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:39:42 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX cc: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Also sorry about your bike Brian. Post the details or a pic so those folks > who don't know what it looks like can be on the lookout. http://i1.yimg.com/1/fd7/15.jpg The blue Yamaha right in the center of the pic. Not shown in the pic is the right side, which has a yoshimura carbon-fiber exhaust can. Thanks to everyone for the kind words. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:20:46 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05164 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20884 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:20:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:20:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Moving on. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Brian Roach wrote: > The SuperHawk looks impressive as well, but I don't know too much > about it. Heavy fuel consumption and the corresponding limited fuel range are the big limitations of the SuperHawk... However, if you want more torque the SuperHawk has it (making over 50 ft/lbs basically right from idle and maxing close to 70 as compared to the YZFs less than 50 max). > Not R1/9R/9RR seriousness You may be writing off the 9R and 9RR a bit too early. Both will compare, comfort-wise, with your YZF. > but more than the VFR. It's not unlikely that the VFR800 is sportier than your YZF was. It's a tad heavy, based on your 500 lb limitation, but has other desirables you listed (e.g., more torque than the YZF). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:32:27 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05322 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-5.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.46]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06271 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be6f5d$245d79a0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Other Motopolitical Fodder (was Re: ... good helmet law debate. . .) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:29:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 In other parts of the motopolitical world -- For those that don't get the American Motorcyclist (the AMA monthly): Layouts on the Chicago Street Ban (the good guys seem to be winning, due to AMA efforts in the past) http://www.ama-cycle.org/magazine/1999/story1ap.html ; and the "Global Harmonization" wave which many fear could drown us in the air bags, max hp, etc. etc. regulations of European interest such as Chris refers to below (AMA news release http://www.ama-cycle.org/legisltn/releases/g99001.html. ) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> I'll handle my voltage regulation, thank you Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: Chris Norloff ; DC Cycles Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 2:55 PM Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Just as people's failure to use seat belts led to passive restraints, >> automatic seat belts, and air bags, I believe people's failure to use >> helmets and other protective gear will result in more emphasis on >> re-designing the vehicle to "make up" for those failures -- and that >> means leg protectors, motorcycle air bags, etc. > >Oh, and don't forget the second brake light fastened to the back >of the still-mandatory helmet. > >Chris, I just wanted to let you know that I agree with you here. >I don't think that helmet laws will go away without some repercussions >down the road. The recent trade-offs regarding riding helmetless with >higher insurance coverages supports this. What will the fallout be >if the "anti-helmet law" groups get their way? I don't like the >potential answers to that question... > >The expression "Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it" >seems to apply in spades here. > >Dale >-- > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR >1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:44:40 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05560 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-5.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.46]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06574 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:44:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be6f5e$d95221c0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: A nice ERC experience Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:41:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE6F34.EFD5C7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE6F34.EFD5C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A small boon today -- Found it easy to schedule for a Loudoun NVCC ERC = course in April, my experiences in the past leaning toward 2-month waits = and other hurdles. $55, 703 450 2551. One day, 8-5. (Remembering, = in considering the recent wild weather, that my last ERC was on an = afternoon in '97 that registered the hottest temp of the year but had = the last two hours chopped off by a major t-storm.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Oh boy. Some fancy dancing! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE6F34.EFD5C7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A small boon today -- Found it easy to = schedule for=20 a Loudoun NVCC ERC course in April, my experiences in the past leaning = toward=20 2-month waits and other hurdles.  $55,  703 450 2551.  = One day,=20 8-5.   (Remembering, in considering the recent wild weather, = that my=20 last ERC was on an afternoon in '97 that registered the hottest temp of = the year=20 but had the last two hours chopped off by a major t-storm.)
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Oh = boy.  Some=20 fancy dancing!
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE6F34.EFD5C7A0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:51:34 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05730 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-5.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.46]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06833; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be6f5f$ccdc04a0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Brian Roach" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Day of Mourning Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:48:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Awful news. And it sounds like precautions were major -- the coincidence with the weather furthers a "professionals" thought. Bests for getting back up to speed. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Very sorry. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 4:38 PM Subject: Day of Mourning > >Well... first time for me. > >As I leave my apartment this morning to go to work, I notice >something rather odd. One car, one motorcycle. That's funny, >there were TWO motorcycles there last night. ::groan:: > >It seems (according to the nice officer who came to take the >report) that last night a number of bikes, including my 98 >YZF600R, were abducted. I don't expect a ransom note anytime >soon. The cop said it looks like the work of pros due to the >number of bikes taken during the time frame, and the fact that >they only took Japaneese sport bikes when other more expensive >bikes were available at the same location (in my case, a Harley, >and in place he had just come from, a BMW). I have an alarm with >remote pager... it never went off > >This sucks. I mean.. REALLY sucks. It's insured, so I'll get a >check, but I liked that bike a lot. Even if I replace it with >the exact same bike, it's not going to be the same. I almost wish >I had not liked the thing... at least then I could replace it >with another I'd been drooling over or something. I had a hard >enough time voluntarily parting with my old VFR when I got the >YZF. > >::sigh:: > >- Brian Roach >(ex) 98' YZF600R >'99 HD FXDL > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:57:59 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05839 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:44:12 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002101be6f5f$55ba46c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <36ED6467.2FF3B74@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 An existing helmet law isn't that onerous. It seems to me that AMA, ABATE, et al. would best utilize their resources by preventing new restrictions rather than trying to repeal existing ones. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:58:01 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05841 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:52:58 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Leslie" , , , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: (NKLR) New bike and Questions Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:53:32 -0500 Message-ID: <002201be6f60$8f195c20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <03ed01be7005$c8b7f900$c646accf@l4rite> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 www.bmwbobs.com www.mortonsbmw.com Avoid Battley. www.ibmwr.org is the best general purpose BMW site. http://www.verrill.com/k11og/index.html is the most comprehensive site on the net for K11's. Ted also wrote much of the IBMWR stuff on K11's. All BMW's (until the K12LT) prevent you from starting on the sidestand. It's a stupid safety thing. You can start on the centerstand, and then ride off of it (it's what I do on the RS) Cold natured? I guess some are, but mine certainly isn't. Pop the sucker into the low choke position, hop on, and ride off. Choke off when I get to the main road out of my apt. complex (100 yards). This summer, he'll be cussing the bike because it gets so darned hot. Have your bro' go on some dirt roads and lock up the brakes at low speeds to get a feel for the modulators. And if he's doing his own work on the bike, in addition to bleeding the calipers and cylinders, there is a distribution block (kinda like the proportioning valve on cars and GoldWings (err... Yeah, kinda the same thing;) and some other LBS bikes) that should be bled also. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 22:59:20 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05858 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id WAA07018; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:59:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:59:15 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: Kirk Roy cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Eek! I knew I should have mentioned something... I owned an '86 VFR 700 (Interceptor) for years and loved it. It was the bike that was finally put out to pasture after many miles and two engines last year (Actually, a friend now has it and loves it). I loved the bike. I love the new ones... I just want to try something different. The *only* complaint I have of the VFR is that it's about 1/2 inch too high in the seat department for my personal taste - I'm 5'11, but more torso than leg. I just think it'd be fun to try out something different, as was my intention initially when I went with the YZF. I do keep wandering back to the VFR though as I'm looking over the various bikes with which to replace the YZF, so it's not out of the running yet :) Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the look of the bikes. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 23:15:45 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from gecko.troutman.org (root@XXXXXX [209.122.239.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06255 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by gecko.troutman.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA00500 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:14:42 -0500 Received: from iguana(172.16.50.1) by gecko via smap (V2.1) id xma000498; Mon, 15 Mar 99 23:14:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990315231351.00cc0100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:14:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Mike T Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:59 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >I loved the bike. I love the new ones... I just want to try something >different. The *only* complaint I have of the VFR is that it's about 1/2 >inch too high in the seat department for my personal taste - I'm 5'11, but >more torso than leg. Did you grow an inch in the last hour? Last time you were 5'10" ;-) ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org =================================== No sig today..... =================================== DNRC member since '97 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 23:39:20 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06639 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id XAA07093; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:39:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:39:16 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: Mike T cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990315231351.00cc0100@www.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 5'10 & 3/4" to be exact... It's just too damn much to type. I was wearing shoes earlier... I took them off. ;) - Brian On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Mike T wrote: > At 10:59 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: > >I loved the bike. I love the new ones... I just want to try something > >different. The *only* complaint I have of the VFR is that it's about 1/2 > >inch too high in the seat department for my personal taste - I'm 5'11, but > >more torso than leg. > > Did you grow an inch in the last hour? Last time you were 5'10" ;-) > > ______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > =================================== > No sig today..... > =================================== > DNRC member since '97 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 15 23:57:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06973 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27174 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA22397 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:53:50 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Brian Roach" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:54:24 -0500 Message-ID: <002501be6f69$106a3e40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I've ridden one. They're a blast. But as I'm sure you'll hear, the reliability is HORRIBLE. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 06:20:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14640 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA02051 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA26737 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA22822 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust032.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.32]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA01668; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:20:09 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990315214912.0069ebac@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:49:12 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Leon Begeman Subject: Another helmet law rant. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36EC624F.7C91FED5@tidalwave.net> References: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <3.0.3.32.19990314102446.006a9910@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:28 PM 3/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >BTW, all my motorcycle rides are 'joy-rides', since I enjoy bikes >so much. I sure hope joy-riding isn't illegal. :) Based on what you've said so far, it sounds like you think it should be. Wouldn't it be a good idea to limit motor vehicle travel to essential trips only? Non-essential trips deprive your daughters of the money you spend on resources to take that trip, deprives them of the time you could be spending with them, wastes valuable natural resources, and presents a clear danger to those people who are on the road for essential reasons. If I remember correctly, you use a car for days like today (Monday), which makes the motorcycle(s) clearly non-essential. It doesn't matter that riding without a helmet is a dumb thing to do, it doesn't matter that having a law to prevent it will save the lives of people too stupid or too reckless to save their own life. It doesn't even matter that society may end up picking up the bill for the care of the vegetables which result from these actions. What does matter is that there are some things that the government should not be permitted to do. We have rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If my life is my own, than shouldn't I have the right to end it as I see fit? If I can't, then the government is depriving me of the use of that life. If the government prescribes things I must do that are not part of my duties as a citizen and do not cause direct harm to others, then how am I able to exercise liberty? Isn't your idea of a joy-ride (pursuit of happiness) different from those of many other bikers. Riding a motorcycle on a dirt road back in the mountains can be enjoyed in several different ways. By riding at 15 or 20 mph, it is a serene, peaceful way to look at the scenery and be a part of it. I enjoy this kind of ride best without a helmet. Trying to keep up with the locals as they get their pickup sideways in most of the turns is also fun, but I wouldn't attempt it without a helmet and an Aerostich. Another part of the problem I see with helmet laws are the terrifying precendents being set with the tobacco, liquor and alcohol industries. Many of the tactics used against those industries are similar to what is being done to motorcyclists. Helmet laws and equipment restrictions on off-road bikes are easy steps that few people object to, but it will never stop. In 50 years, motorcycling will be significantly different in terms of the the legal requirements to ride. Queston asked of my dad at a job interview: Have you had a driver's license continuously since the age of 16? Answer: No, but I've had one as long as they've been required. The state had no interest in my father driving when he turned 16. My son was required to take training from the state (it was not adequate to the task) pass at least three tests, sign a statement that he had insurance, and have my permission before he could drive at that age. I doubt there was any significant difference in the driving skill of the two of them at that age. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 08:07:23 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16268 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA22010 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF973DA01E2; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:33:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316073402.0181b860@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:39:24 -0500 To: "Leslie" , "dc-cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: (NKLR) New bike and Questions In-Reply-To: <03ed01be7005$c8b7f900$c646accf@l4rite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:36 PM 3/16/99 , Leslie wrote: > Hello all, one of my roommates just picked up a 93' BMW K1100LT Good bike. I've got the '89 K100LT, its ancestor. >Any info or comments >would be helpful...especially on the ABS brakes Keep the bike straight, use all the brakes. You'll hear (and sometimes feel) the brakes cycling. Good to practice in a parking lot so you'll know what to expect. >the owners manual was not on the bike.... See if you can get one from a dealer, or used. Very handy. > out of the many bikes that I've owned this is the >first with a neutral lever down kill switch..is that normal for the larger >touring type bikes Not sure what that is. >and besides its kinda cold natured from what I saw. Very unusual. Mine starts easily and runs well at 90 degrees or 10 degrees. Check the "choke" (starting) lever and replace the spark plugs. Thanx for any >help or direction to a Bavarian site for info....Les... http://www.ibmwr.org (Internet BMW Riders) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 08:11:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16303 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA23364 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02983 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27607 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA23415 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A80742701E2; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:09:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316074526.017f9f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:52:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another helmet law rant. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990315214912.0069ebac@illuminet.net> References: <36EC624F.7C91FED5@tidalwave.net> <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@XXXXXX> <3.0.3.32.19990314102446.006a9910@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:49 PM 3/15/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >We have rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If my life >is my own, than shouldn't I have the right to end it as I see fit? My opinion, after 13 years of street riding, 8 years of teaching, 3 years of running a training center, and a year of lobbying the Maryland government is that this is the only good argument against helmet laws. If you can refuse medical care you find onerous, if you can refuse a life-saving blood transfusion due to your religious beliefs, if you can end your life rather than live in a painful or debilitated state ... then you should be able to choose your level of protection for riding a motorcycle. Other arguments, I believe, are merely "trees rather than forest" arguments. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 08:15:47 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16464 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:15:45 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA23640 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA02818; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:10:00 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002548; Tue, 16 Mar 99 08:09:34 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8O00GJLV948X@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0047FA20 ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:06:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:06:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). To: Brian Roach Cc: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles Message-id: <85256736.0047B78D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Brian, What's your budget? I'd recommend either a) Triumph Sprint ST b) BMW R1100s c) the leftover, but NEW 96 RF900 at coleman's that you could practically steal. :-) Chris '94 RF900 To: Kirk Roy cc: dc-cycles (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Brian Roach Date: 03/16/99 03:59:15 AM GMT Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). Eek! I knew I should have mentioned something... I owned an '86 VFR 700 (Interceptor) for years and loved it. It was the bike that was finally put out to pasture after many miles and two engines last year (Actually, a friend now has it and loves it). I loved the bike. I love the new ones... I just want to try something different. The *only* complaint I have of the VFR is that it's about 1/2 inch too high in the seat department for my personal taste - I'm 5'11, but more torso than leg. I just think it'd be fun to try out something different, as was my intention initially when I went with the YZF. I do keep wandering back to the VFR though as I'm looking over the various bikes with which to replace the YZF, so it's not out of the running yet :) Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the look of the bikes. - Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 08:16:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16475 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA23731 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03019 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA27646 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:14:17 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA04646; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:15:59 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004117; Tue, 16 Mar 99 08:14:16 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8O00HF3VH112@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0048673E ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:10:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:11:00 -0500 Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). To: George Howell Cc: Brian Roach , DC Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <85256736.0048667D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Ridden one? I thought you owned a BMW? --chris To: Brian Roach cc: DC Cycles Mailing List (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: George Howell Date: 03/16/99 04:54:24 AM GMT Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). I've ridden one. They're a blast. But as I'm sure you'll hear, the reliability is HORRIBLE. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 08:43:27 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16965 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA25272 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:40:56 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:40:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) And another round of 'Kissing Pavement' has been played over the weekend. This Contestant? One Mr. Brian McCoy on an 87 VFR700 FII. The scene is set.... 9:30am.. rolling down Powdermill road, following a car.. maybe a bit to closely, but still with lots of room. 45mph or soo... I notice a car behind me.. speeding up, as if to pass, but not attempting to pass (2 lanes in my direction, but the right one merges just a short way from where we were). I figure the driver's anxious, but not stupid to try and get ahead. An intersection approaching, just on the far side is there merge lane I spoke of. We have the green light, and I see a car inching it's nose out into traffic from the right side of the intersection.. looking like he wants to turn right.. lots of time for him to do that if he wanted too.. no move, ok.. smart driver.. going to wait till we pass, then turn. That's where it went wrong.. the driver waited through all the safe times to turn... turned right suddenly, and into the main line of traffic (totally skipped the merge lane). Car infront of me slams on brakes.. I chirp my front (never touched the back.. didn't even try to, but I did downshift once). I managed to get off to the right hand side of the car, going to make it when the car behind me slams into the back of my bike, sending me forward into the car infront of me. Wheel goes under the bumper, headlight explodes on impact with the trunk. I'm tossed off to the right, landing on my head (right cheek area, the kind only a full-face would cover), and right shoulder. Somewhere along the line I put my left hand down to brace as well.. Time passes.. I listen to and watch the glass bouncing across my field of view. It seems like many minutes have passed... I wiggle my fingers and toes.. then pat the ground with both feet and hands. Roll over, sit up.. and take inventory of the situation. Of the 4 vehicles involved, only myself and the car I hit were still present. My bike was on it's right side (funny enough, the same side I dropped it on in the Tues. snow storm). EMS shows up quickly enough, as do the police.. I'm checked out briefly, everything's ok by their determination.. I believe them. Go back, and repair the bike as best possible to ride the last mile home. No fault for either of the drivers present. Bike damage: Totaled headlight assembly (Replaced by Tom Zell..) Tail section smashed into 12 bits (also replaced by Tom Zell) Right mid/lower broken in a couple spots, and rashed.. (repaired as best possible) Bent upper fairing stay (bent it back to 'normal' Bent chrome fork tubes.. (replacements on order currently) Brian Damage: Broken left wrist - casted for the next 6~8 weeks Separated shoulder, torn/stressed ligaments - in a sling for ?? (supposedly will plague me for the rest of my life) Once again, we have a strong product placement for a full face helmet. The only places on the helmet that show marks from hitting, are places that are ONLY covered on a full-face. I didn't exactly touch down lightly either.. I'm of the opinion that my already questionably ugly mug would have been FUBARd had I not being in a full-face. But, you know what... it's your head, wear what you feel you're face/looks/head is worth. Dale H. - you may be taking a slightly larger financial loss (I'm going to be out somewhere near $700 when all's said and done) - but at least you'll get to ride a bike for the next 2 months.. unlike me. and now back to your regularly scheduled work... Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:12:26 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17544 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA26816 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) with SMTP; 16 Mar 1999 14:11:07 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22303 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:07:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:07:36 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Contestant #2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Time passes.. I listen to and watch the glass bouncing across my > field of view. It seems like many minutes have passed... I wiggle my > fingers and toes.. then pat the ground with both feet and hands. Roll over, > sit up.. and take inventory of the situation. Of the 4 vehicles involved, > only myself and the car I hit were still present. I'm under the impression that this is a felony offense? The guy that hit you not stopping? > My bike was on it's right > side (funny enough, the same side I dropped it on in the Tues. snow storm). > EMS shows up quickly enough, as do the police.. I'm checked out briefly, > everything's ok by their determination.. I believe them. Go back, and > repair the bike as best possible to ride the last mile home. No fault for > either of the drivers present. What about the other asshole? The guy that hit you? Any witnesses? Car description? > Bike damage: > Totaled headlight assembly (Replaced by Tom Zell..) > Tail section smashed into 12 bits (also replaced by Tom Zell) > Right mid/lower broken in a couple spots, and rashed.. (repaired as > best possible) > Bent upper fairing stay (bent it back to 'normal' > Bent chrome fork tubes.. (replacements on order currently) Doh! > Brian Damage: > Broken left wrist - casted for the next 6~8 weeks > Separated shoulder, torn/stressed ligaments - in a sling for ?? > (supposedly will plague me for the rest of my life) Argh. I hope they find the bastard. Sue that jerkoff for everything he has. > Once again, we have a strong product placement for a full face > helmet. The only places on the helmet that show marks from hitting, are > places that are ONLY covered on a full-face. I didn't exactly touch down > lightly either.. I'm of the opinion that my already questionably ugly mug > would have been FUBARd had I not being in a full-face. But, you know > what... it's your head, wear what you feel you're face/looks/head is worth. I have dropped my bike twice, and both times, I would have major face injury were it not for my full face helmet. A 1/2 or 3/4 helmet would have left me with permanent scars on my cheeks. > Dale H. - you may be taking a slightly larger financial loss (I'm > going to be out somewhere near $700 when all's said and done) - but at least > you'll get to ride a bike for the next 2 months.. unlike me. Doh! I was looking forward to watching you race, and hearing collin's expert commentary. "Come on brian! Lean! Lean! Lean more damnit!" - was quite amusing. Course, when I watch collin race, all I'm saying is "He's a pyscho. He's gonna wreck. He's gonna wreck." For all you folks that come up to Summit Point this year, watch Collin in the carousel, with that one big bump in it. He runs that corner wide (to set up for the next couple) and I'm telling ya, he hits that bump and it looks like he's gonna drop it EVERY time.. but he hasn't yet. I dont think it feels as impressive as it looks, from what collin said, but maybe he's just playing it down.. > and now back to your regularly scheduled work... > > Brian Why no mention of the guy that hit you? What's the deal with him? Was the driver that you plowed into cool? How come no one came and tried to make sure you were okay until EMS showed up? Well damn. Hope you get better man. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:12:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17554 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26828 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03683 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28751 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:09:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OUCH! Glad to hear you're still breathing, at least. Hopefully, all you'll need is Tylenol for the pain. Similar thing happened to me about six years ago: broken left hand, but my Cow 454 was totaled. Pavement marks over right eye to chin of my helmet (after rolling over the hood of the cage that pulled out in front of me). Having a cast up to your shoulder makes climbing "ladders" (ship stairs) pretty tough, though. On the bright side, got enough from the insurance company to buy my current 1986 Magna from the insurance company. Take care out there, Mitch -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 8:41 AM To: 'dc' Subject: Contestant #2 And another round of 'Kissing Pavement' has been played over the weekend. This Contestant? One Mr. Brian McCoy on an 87 VFR700 FII. The scene is set.... 9:30am.. rolling down Powdermill road, following a car.. maybe a bit to closely, but still with lots of room. 45mph or soo... I notice a car behind me.. speeding up, as if to pass, but not attempting to pass (2 lanes in my direction, but the right one merges just a short way from where we were). I figure the driver's anxious, but not stupid to try and get ahead. An intersection approaching, just on the far side is there merge lane I spoke of. We have the green light, and I see a car inching it's nose out into traffic from the right side of the intersection.. looking like he wants to turn right.. lots of time for him to do that if he wanted too.. no move, ok.. smart driver.. going to wait till we pass, then turn. That's where it went wrong.. the driver waited through all the safe times to turn... turned right suddenly, and into the main line of traffic (totally skipped the merge lane). Car infront of me slams on brakes.. I chirp my front (never touched the back.. didn't even try to, but I did downshift once). I managed to get off to the right hand side of the car, going to make it when the car behind me slams into the back of my bike, sending me forward into the car infront of me. Wheel goes under the bumper, headlight explodes on impact with the trunk. I'm tossed off to the right, landing on my head (right cheek area, the kind only a full-face would cover), and right shoulder. Somewhere along the line I put my left hand down to brace as well.. Time passes.. I listen to and watch the glass bouncing across my field of view. It seems like many minutes have passed... I wiggle my fingers and toes.. then pat the ground with both feet and hands. Roll over, sit up.. and take inventory of the situation. Of the 4 vehicles involved, only myself and the car I hit were still present. My bike was on it's right side (funny enough, the same side I dropped it on in the Tues. snow storm). EMS shows up quickly enough, as do the police.. I'm checked out briefly, everything's ok by their determination.. I believe them. Go back, and repair the bike as best possible to ride the last mile home. No fault for either of the drivers present. Bike damage: Totaled headlight assembly (Replaced by Tom Zell..) Tail section smashed into 12 bits (also replaced by Tom Zell) Right mid/lower broken in a couple spots, and rashed.. (repaired as best possible) Bent upper fairing stay (bent it back to 'normal' Bent chrome fork tubes.. (replacements on order currently) Brian Damage: Broken left wrist - casted for the next 6~8 weeks Separated shoulder, torn/stressed ligaments - in a sling for ?? (supposedly will plague me for the rest of my life) Once again, we have a strong product placement for a full face helmet. The only places on the helmet that show marks from hitting, are places that are ONLY covered on a full-face. I didn't exactly touch down lightly either.. I'm of the opinion that my already questionably ugly mug would have been FUBARd had I not being in a full-face. But, you know what... it's your head, wear what you feel you're face/looks/head is worth. Dale H. - you may be taking a slightly larger financial loss (I'm going to be out somewhere near $700 when all's said and done) - but at least you'll get to ride a bike for the next 2 months.. unlike me. and now back to your regularly scheduled work... Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:17:50 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17631 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA27232 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:14:35 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:14:33 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:17:58 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX, dreamer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Day of Mourning -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Brian, So that the slightest bit of good might come of this--what was the model of the alarm on the bike? Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:26:14 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17712 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:26:13 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27614 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id kTSMa06770; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:22:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <843ed310.36ee691d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:22:21 EST To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 3/15/99 11:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the look of the bikes. >> I just test rode a Buell Lightning at Daytona. They've radically rededigned the ergonomices, and it's now quite comfortable. I found that it handled very well, and it inspired confidence going into the corners. However, the engine just doesn't have any grunt (my only comparison is my Superhawk). I accelerated pretty hard upto 80 mph, and the front end didn't feel light at all. Again, take this with a grain of salt since I'm used to riding a real torque-monster. -matt From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:29:39 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17814 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27757 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:27:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:27:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Why no mention of the guy that hit you? What's the deal with him? > Was the driver that you plowed into cool? How come no one came > and tried to make sure you were okay until EMS showed up? The person that hit me ran.. it was a darker colored early 90's (kinda boxyish front end) mid-sized car.. no idea if it's 2-door, 4 door.. or anything else.. noone else watched that car.. all eyes were on me playing superman, and then rediscovering gravity. The lady I hit was very shaken up.. she looked like she was seeing a ghost when I went up and talked with her.. she kept saying "I thought you were dead!". There were a few people who tried to help me before EMS showed up.. but I was .5 miles from where the EMS dispatches from.. they were there almost within a minute or 2. I knew enough of my injuries to know I wasn't going to die.. and screw lying in the street till they show up.. might as well get the hell out of the way so I don't tie up traffic. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:33:54 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17894 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA28187 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:32:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316143205.21348.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web302.yahoomail.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:32:05 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:32:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Moving on. To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Brian Roach wrote: > I'm open to suggestions. What I liked about the YZF was above the > tripleclamp bars, manageable power, lightweight, good handling. > What I didn't like was the buzz you get from the 600 at high revs, > and a few more lbs of torque would not be disagreeable out on the > beltway. I also don't want to go past 500lbs wet... I'm 5'10, 150. > I'd like to be able to pick up whatever I'm riding. > > I took a look at the Triumphs today at the dealer. The Daytona is > really impressive, and I like the fact that it's a little different > (the triple). Riding position seems preety comfy, not too commited > yet agresive. Does anyone here own one or have experiance with it? > The Daytona is over 500 lbs isn't it??? Or awefully darn close. Long way on the toury side from your YZF. Probably very similar to your old VFR. Maybe a Speed Triple or T595?? > The SuperHawk looks impressive as well, but I don't know too much > about it. > > All in all, I'm looking for a bike with good torque, sportbike looks, yet > comfortable enough to commute on and not need advil for my back. If you want more torque, you need a V-Twin or V-Four motor. You really won't get much more torque at all from an inline four than you had with your YZF. VTR is probably a bit more comfy than the TL-S, but both are very hooliganistic type bikes. And the VFR is just a damn nice all around bike.... Ask some of the WSDY types... even the 94-97 generation has no problems keeping up with the modern bikes on nice roads like 211.... (Of course, we never exceed the speed limit or sane lean angles ;-)) If you aren't concerned so much with size of the bike, look at the new SV650. It's had nothing but rave reviews from everyone. It's reasonably cheap priced, and with a pipe and jets, it had a 10hp increase over stock!!! on an eddy current dyno!!! Check out the new RRW, they had an article about racing it, and Two Brothers made a super nifty front fairing out of a zero gravity windscreen that was 95% windscreen... very sharp. > Not R1/9R/9RR seriousness, but more than the VFR. Basically, a > larger displacement version of my YZF600R, which was basically the > most tame 600cc sportbike last year. I don't know if I'd call a YZF600R tame though :) Like Chris Meier mentioned, look into the RF900. They are AWESOME bikes. Unfortunately they fell to the early death of not being squidly enough and at a bad price for the market when they came out....That means great prices on the few leftovers you see here and there. Also in the ball park price range, you could look into a year or two old (but still new) Ducati 900SS/CR....maybe even the SP model depending on what the insurance check will be... Great all around bikes that hold value nicely and perform well... Bummer that your new shopping is due to some scumbags out there... Let us all know what you end up getting! Collin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:38:29 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17981 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA28286 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA03657; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:33:42 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA00317; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:33:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Day of Mourning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You might also supply us with the VIN #. Probably wont help but can't hurt. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Brian Roach wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Also sorry about your bike Brian. Post the details or a pic so those folks > > who don't know what it looks like can be on the lookout. > > http://i1.yimg.com/1/fd7/15.jpg > > The blue Yamaha right in the center of the pic. Not shown in the pic is > the right side, which has a yoshimura carbon-fiber exhaust can. > > Thanks to everyone for the kind words. > - Brian > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:41:05 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18028 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA28353 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA29976 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:39:35 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:39:35 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:39:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" << Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the look of the bikes. >> Rode one at Frederick harley about a year ago - handled nicely - standard Sportster vibes. Felt strange - like sitting on top of a high log - also surprised at the lack of torque (I've since found out that my present scooter puts out about 76 ft. lbs., so this may not be a valid comparison). The right leg warmer functioned quite nicely, but the left leg was unheated. It looks like they've made an attempt to correct this in this year's models by tucking that %#*@! rear exhaust pipe a bit further out of the way. Overall feeling was that it was a nice scooter. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 09:48:40 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18223 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA28941 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA05728; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:44:02 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA03000; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach cc: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the >look of the bikes. Cue Gil. They are great looking bikes and if the horror stories ever come to an end I would buy one. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:00:01 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18410 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA29547 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F234C@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: Web Phone Book/Weekend Ride Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:57:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hey all, Free Stock if you go to http://www.monsterbook.com sign up using the Membership Code and Membership Referral ID # 70392 It only takes about a minute. Tony CBR600 F3 PS I'll probably get seriously flamed for this one, but I just got done going through about 100 e-mails about Motorcycle Helmet laws so I don't feel so bad. PSS Will anyone be riding this weekend? From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:00:32 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18503 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA29553 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10442 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:57:23 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10588B4@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: cheap truck and trailer or HEY BRIAN!!! GET A RAIN BIKE!! lol Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:57:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Here's an ad from the race list. respond to Craig, not me... Collin Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: Craig Faison To: race@XXXXXX Subject: Spam: dirt cheap truck and trailer Message-ID: Recently I bought a pickup to use as a backup while my truck was acting up. Since then, I've solved my vehicle issues, and the it needs to go. I got it cheap, and it's going cheap. Here's the dirt: '86 Nissan Pickup 4cyl, 5spd 140k, runs good, dependable no air, power nothing, shortbed, regular cab some rust, but not bad for an old jap truck aluminum cap $350, located in New Castle, DE. interesting trades considered, as long as they don't take up driveway space... Also for sale: Homemade trailer. Set up for two bikes, could hold 3. Big ass gear box on front. Ugly but rock-solid and very heavy duty. $200. Craig "spam" Faison cfaison@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:04:30 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18523 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA29957 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA10550; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:52 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA11945; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Contestant #2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well that really sucks. Any chance of catching the guy who hit you? Hope you heal quickly. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:14:18 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18713 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:16 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA00736 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA28519; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:10:54 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021169; Tue, 16 Mar 99 09:57:46 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8P0089A09FS7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0051DED4 ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:54:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:50:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Moving on. To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <85256736.00519B15.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Brian (et al), As some on the list may know, I'm looking for a new bike myself. I might be able to answer a couple of your questions, as I've put a fair amount of research into this already. The Superhawk is a great choice. I've subscribed to the Superhawk mailing list for the last few weeks, and the only (and I mean ONLY) problem people have with the bike is a relatively small gas tank. People regularly say they get about 120 miles before they have to refuel. That's not far, but I suppose it depends on your priorities. There are plenty of aftermarket bits for it and it's apparently very fun. Again, I don't own one, but am considering it myself. You also might check out the CBR600 F4. It seems like you're looking for larger displacement, but it might fit your requirements perfectly otherwise. It's supposedly very comfortable and pretty fast too. Good luck, Chris Weaver (snip) I'm open to suggestions. What I liked about the YZF was above the tripleclamp bars, manageable power, lightweight, good handling. What I didn't like was the buzz you get from the 600 at high revs, and a few more lbs of torque would not be disagreeable out on the beltway. I also don't want to go past 500lbs wet... I'm 5'10, 150. I'd like to be able to pick up whatever I'm riding. (snip) The SuperHawk looks impressive as well, but I don't know too much about it. All in all, I'm looking for a bike with good torque, sportbike looks, yet comfortable enough to commute on and not need advil for my back. Not R1/9R/9RR seriousness, but more than the VFR. Basically, a larger displacement version of my YZF600R, which was basically the most tame 600cc sportbike last year. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:16:00 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18792 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA00753 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A37614C011C; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:06:30 EST Message-ID: <36EE7556.D7F7833B@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:30 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Contestant #2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Dale H. - you may be taking a slightly larger financial > loss (I'm going to be out somewhere near $700 when all's said and > done) - but at least you'll get to ride a bike for the next 2 months.. > unlike me. Damn Brian, that sucks. I'm glad it wasn't worse. Having toasted my own bike recently and doing the face-plant thing too, I feel for you. I was gonna write up a half-in-jest email this morning complaining loud and long about riding Tracy's old Savage to work today, but I think I'll just keep quiet now. :) Heal well, dude! I hope the hit-and-runners get found and strung up. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:16:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18802 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA00840 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04562 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00674 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:10:16 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:10:57 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01be6fbf$319f1b20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <85256736.0048253F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I had a test ride on an M2 before buying the first Beemer. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Ridden one? I thought you owned a BMW? > > --chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:19:39 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18845 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA01044 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:14:36 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01be6fbf$cc9b0260$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Damn, sounds pretty rough. Too bad nobody got the license number of the guy that slammed into you. Hope you heal up okay. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:22:15 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18930 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA01128 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A4A624012E; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:11:34 EST Message-ID: <36EE7683.78B04E04@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:19:31 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <002101be6f5f$55ba46c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > An existing helmet law isn't that onerous. It seems to me that AMA, ABATE, > et al. would best utilize their resources by preventing new restrictions > rather than trying to repeal existing ones. Leave it to George to say concisely in one sentence what it's taken me several days and posts to attempt to get across. Thanks, George. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:25:28 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18943 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA01526 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:22:04 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:21:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:25:17 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: roach@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Brian, Buells are huge fun, but I know one of our listers had problems with his. Motorcyclist just concluded a 15,000-mile test on an S3T, and had big probs the last 5000mi. Buell has since issued fixes for the really bad things like motor mount failure and oil leaks. I want one too, but probably not as my only bike. If I were in your boots, I'd start calling Suzuki dealers for a new, non-current RF900. They're beautiful, great motor, and since they didn't sell to well, relatively cheap. Sort of like a inline-four VFR with a bit of styling edge. IMO one of the most underaprreciated bikes of the last ten years. Joe >>> Brian Roach - 3/15/99 10:59 PM >>> Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the look of the bikes. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:35:17 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19310 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA02282 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA30311; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:28:56 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990316153220.TNNR18356@toddnt>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:32:20 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , "Brian Roach" Cc: "Kirk Roy" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Moving on (VFR). Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:30:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be6fc1$e79f7170$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal > > >Anyone ever ridden a Buell? The stats look scary as hell, but I like the > >look of the bikes. > > Cue Gil. > > They are great looking bikes and if the horror stories > ever come to an end I would buy one. Gil is overseas for awhile. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:35:57 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19338 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA02300 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA08216; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:30:43 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990316153401.TNUS18356@toddnt>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:34:01 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Suazo, Tony" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Web Phone Book/Weekend Ride Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:32:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be6fc2$23ca6d80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F234C@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> Importance: Normal No free stock Tony. Go back and read it again. > Hey all, > > Free Stock if you go to http://www.monsterbook.com sign up using the > Membership > Code and Membership Referral ID # 70392 > > It only takes about a minute. > > Tony > CBR600 F3 > > PS I'll probably get seriously flamed for this one, but I just got done > going through > about 100 e-mails about Motorcycle Helmet laws so I don't feel so bad. > > PSS Will anyone be riding this weekend? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:36:40 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19356 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.189]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA02339 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:35:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316154010.28526.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web307.yahoomail.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:40:10 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:40:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Moving on (VFR). -Reply To: JOE NAGY , roach@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree 100%.. it suffered the same fate as the very good FJ1200's and HawkGT's. The motor is excellent. Several Formula USA teams cram it into a GSXR750 frame and use it for Formula USA racing. CT ---JOE NAGY wrote: > > Brian, > If I were in your boots, I'd start calling Suzuki dealers for a new, > non-current RF900. Sort of like a inline-four VFR with a > bit of styling edge. IMO one of the most underaprreciated bikes of the > last ten years. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 10:59:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19780 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA03828 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA25093; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:26 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990316155735.TSAF18356@toddnt>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:57:35 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "George Howell" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be6fc5$6e8c6e10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36EE7683.78B04E04@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > George Howell wrote: > > > > An existing helmet law isn't that onerous. It seems to me that > AMA, ABATE, > > et al. would best utilize their resources by preventing new restrictions > > rather than trying to repeal existing ones. > > Leave it to George to say concisely in one sentence what it's > taken me several days and posts to attempt to get across. > Thanks, George. Yes, but then it wouldn't be nearly as fun to punch holes in your arguments. ;) Let me try with Georges. - 'Isn't that onerous' is a matter of opinion. Some people absolutely hate the feel of a restrictive helmet. Claustrophobia maybe. - The AMA, and to a lesser degree ABATE do utilize their legal resources on many fronts, protecting many of your riding rights. But here again, your sentence was written in a matter of perception/opinion. I know Dale doesn't belong to the AMA, and I know why. He doesn't agree with the AMA's position regarding helmet laws. Throwing the baby out with the bath water my grandma might say. I don't know if George belongs or not. But just let me point out the hypocrosy of the recent arguments that go like, "if we continue to fight helmet laws, they'll take the rest away". Speculative bologna! By not joining or otherwise supporting the AMA and ABATE and groups advocating riders rights, you are part of the problem you fear most. A lack of support or solidarity on the many issues surrounding legislated safety and discrimination against motorcyclists is nearly tacit support of the almighty state to do as it pleases. >From what I've read in the past few days, nobody wants this. So don't bust on the only groups fighting for your rights. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 11:24:26 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20303 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA05684 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA10036; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:24:16 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027094; Tue, 16 Mar 99 11:01:13 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8P00HXL3795U@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:01:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0057B2EE ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:57:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:57:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: Dale Horstman Cc: George Howell , DC Cycles Message-id: <85256736.00576BA0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Dale, That isn't how I have perceived what you said. You have indicated that you believe that there are cases (helmet laws) in which you believe the government has a role in protecting a "greater interest" through legislation. I would surmise that you are not against future restrictions across the board, but would probably pick and choose them based on the value you see in them. Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought you were saying not only that you were against repealing the helmet law, but you are FOR having a helmet law. Correct me if I'm wrong, --chris To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Dale Horstman Date: 03/16/99 03:19:31 PM GMT Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. George Howell wrote: > > An existing helmet law isn't that onerous. It seems to me that AMA, ABATE, > et al. would best utilize their resources by preventing new restrictions > rather than trying to repeal existing ones. Leave it to George to say concisely in one sentence what it's taken me several days and posts to attempt to get across. Thanks, George. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 12:36:08 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21631 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA10326 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23745 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:33:05 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10588B6@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Cc: "Hawkins, Benjamin LT" , "Newman, Jeffrey LTJG" Subject: FW: Gone fishing' (no EX material) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:33:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain too funny....May your bike never end up like this one... > -----Original Message----- > From: TJ Tryon, Jr. [SMTP:trident@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:59 AM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: Gone fishing' (no EX material) > > http://www.concours.org/co/graphics/shaw1.jpg > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 12:49:39 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21809 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA11296 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:42:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gone fishing' (no EX material) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:42:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I think he flooded the engine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 12:33 PM > To: 'dc' > Cc: Hawkins, Benjamin LT; Newman, Jeffrey LTJG > Subject: FW: Gone fishing' (no EX material) > > too funny....May your bike never end up like this one... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TJ Tryon, Jr. [SMTP:trident@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:59 AM > > To: ex500@XXXXXX > > Subject: Gone fishing' (no EX material) > > > > http://www.concours.org/co/graphics/shaw1.jpg > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 12:50:41 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21896 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA11343 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A7C01CC010E; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:41:20 EST Message-ID: <36EE99A0.5A812F43@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:49:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <001101be6fc5$6e8c6e10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Some people absolutely hate the feel of a restrictive helmet. Me, too. Tell 'em to try a larger size, it might fit better. < Ducking and running... > Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 12:58:25 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22012 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA13061 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:55:27 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: I know.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:54:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) one of my coworkers says "I know someone who was killed while riding a motorcycle, I'm just glad to see you're ok" and walks off... I didn't bite my tongue.. I walked after her and asked how many car accidents she saw every day on her way home from work. I asked if she remembered the 'road rage' incidents of last year that killed something like 8 people... and made her feel small.. Then I had to appologize to her for being so harsh, and explained that I love riding a motorcycle.. I love it like most people love family members. I love it more than any woman could ever love chocolate.. and it upsets me when people are negative about my lifestyle... Lets see if that circulates the building as fast as the news that I'd gotten in an accident did. I don't understand what people will bring up things like that in a casual conversation with someone who just had an accident.. are they attempting to insinuate they wish me harm.. or what? ugh.. way to frustrated to deal wiht the pain... or is that supposed to be the other way 'round.. :( Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:28:24 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22533 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15619 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.MIL ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27930 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:25:15 -0500 Message-ID: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10588B9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: WERA Racers???? Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:25:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain David, Steve?? Bueler?? Anyone have the pre-entry fee structure for WERA handy?? Can't find it anywhere on the website, and I'd like to get my entry fees out today... Thanks for any help... Collin From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:32:45 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22643 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15820 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id NAA07618; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:19 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moving on. In-Reply-To: <19990316143205.21348.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > The Daytona is over 500 lbs isn't it??? Or awefully darn close. Long > way on the toury side from your YZF. Probably very similar to your > old VFR. Maybe a Speed Triple or T595?? The Daytona is the T595 (now 955i). It's pretty much the "tame" superbike much like my YZF was to the 600 class. The reviews I've read pretty much point to the same things I liked about the YZF in comparison to the other 600's - not quite as fast, not nearly as good on the track, but a great street bike. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:33:27 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22653 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:33:26 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15852 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hGEHa16741; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:28:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:28:30 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Contestant #2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/16/99 8:54:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << And another round of 'Kissing Pavement' has been played over the weekend. This Contestant? One Mr. Brian McCoy on an 87 VFR700 FII. The scene is set.... >> Sorry to hear about that. At least you're still in one piece, mostly. :-) Just think of it this way, you'll be able to ride again when the GOOD weather shows up. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:39:29 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22770 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:39:27 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA16211 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id aWWBa06770; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <73ceb2ec.36eea393@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:31:47 EST To: alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Contestant #2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/16/99 9:20:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, alexm@XXXXXX writes: << Of the 4 vehicles involved, > only myself and the car I hit were still present. I'm under the impression that this is a felony offense? The guy that hit you not stopping? >> You are correct. If they find this person, he can be arrested and fined for leaving the scene of an accident. He is FULLY liable for ALL damages done to your bike. Hunt him down like the dog he is. I'm sure we've got quite a few people on the list willing to help. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:40:34 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22791 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA16264 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA23881 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:38:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903161838.NAA23881@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:40:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RF 900 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Does anyone know where I might be able to see a picture of the Suzuki RF 900? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:45:43 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22965 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA16750 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A4A21E30106; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:36:18 EST Message-ID: <36EEA682.93A598B3@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:44:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <001101be6fc5$6e8c6e10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > I know Dale doesn't belong to the AMA, and I know why. He doesn't > agree with the AMA's position regarding helmet laws. Throwing the > baby out with the bath water my grandma might say. Actually, one of my very well kept secrets is that I have been an AMA member for the past year. :) The way my insurance worked out when I first bought BugSlayer last March was that if I became a member, I'd get a discount on the insurance. What the hell, membership for free, why not? :) That said, I have the renewal forms at home, but I don't plan on rejoining this year. This nonsense over million dollar racing lawsuits and support of removing helmet laws just turned me off cold. It just goes to show, even though the AMA does good things, like pointing out that Chicago closing Lake Shore Drive to motorcyclist violates Federal laws (laws which AMA championed), that as an organization the AMA is distracted too easily by nonsensical things like sanctioning racing leagues (should be privatized) and fighting Helmet laws. They'll do without my money for a while longer. > But just let me point out the hypocrosy of the recent arguments > that go like, "if we continue to fight helmet laws, they'll take > the rest away". Speculative bologna! Where's the hypocrosy, Todd? Please listen to what's being said. We had seat belts and seat belt laws for cages for years, the laws had no teeth, and many people refused to wear the belts. Now we have airbags in most cars, to counter this perceived non-use danger, and only a few new models have realistic options to disable the bags, which incidently happen to occasionally kill small passengers in low-speed accidents. Seat belts in cages were effective. Laws with teeth mandating their use might have prevented the forced installation of explosive devices in the front seat of my car. Do you see the parallels between seat belts in cars and helmet for motorcycles yet? > By not joining or otherwise supporting the AMA and ABATE and groups > advocating riders rights, you are part of the problem you fear most. Maybe, but look at how divided our little List is becoming on this issue. Why should I support the AMA/ABATE if I truly do not believe they are doing the right thing regarding helmet laws? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 13:52:56 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23081 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA17121 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:51:31 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:51:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > You are correct. If they find this person, he can be > arrested and fined for > leaving the scene of an accident. He is FULLY liable for ALL > damages done to > your bike. Hunt him down like the dog he is. I'm sure we've > got quite a few > people on the list willing to help. Nice idea and all... but I have no clue what kind of car.. I remember that it was dark, had a boxy front end, mid-sized sedan.. there are probably thousands of cars that fit that description.. I have no idea even what state plates the guy had.. nothin.. or even if it WAS a guy.. nice idea though... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:00:40 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23259 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:00:39 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA18221 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id cNMTa13170; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:46:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:46:29 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: BHawkins@XXXXXX, jnewman@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Gone fishing' (no EX material) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 3/16/99 12:42:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << too funny....May your bike never end up like this one... > -----Original Message----- > From: TJ Tryon, Jr. [SMTP:trident@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:59 AM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: Gone fishing' (no EX material) > > http://www.concours.org/co/graphics/shaw1.jpg > > > >> Where's my scuba gear? Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:02:59 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23287 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pine.eainet.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA18451 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16845; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:02:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:01:36 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Contestant #2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Brian -- Put up a "witnesses wanted" poster at the crash site, maybe? -ph On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > You are correct. If they find this person, he can be > > arrested and fined for > > leaving the scene of an accident. He is FULLY liable for ALL > > damages done to > > your bike. Hunt him down like the dog he is. I'm sure we've > > got quite a few > > people on the list willing to help. > > Nice idea and all... but I have no clue what kind of car.. I remember that > it was dark, had a boxy front end, mid-sized sedan.. > there are probably thousands of cars that fit that description.. I have no > idea even what state plates the guy had.. nothin.. or even if it WAS a guy.. > > nice idea though... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:05:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23372 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA18761 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08833 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09081 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27803 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A90E57A00C8; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:55:10 EST Message-ID: <36EEAAEE.6583D39E@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:03:10 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another helmet law rant. References: <000001be6d5c$113e58b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <3.0.3.32.19990314102446.006a9910@XXXXXX> <3.0.3.32.19990315214912.0069ebac@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > Wouldn't it be a good idea to limit motor vehicle travel to > essential trips only? Depends on your point of view, I guess. I've never claimed that my fascination and rapture with motorcycling was a good idea. Looking back, it was probably one of the most irrational things I've done with my life so far. And I've got the grin to prove it. :) > If I remember correctly, you use a car for days like today (Monday), > which makes the motorcycle(s) clearly non-essential. Actually, I worked from home Monday. Every bike, car, truck, bus, and mommyvan out on the road yesterday was nonessential. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. :) > If my life is my own, than shouldn't I have the right to end it as I > see fit? That's a very selfish view of things. Think of your own children and wife when you ask that question. > By > riding at 15 or 20 mph, it is a serene, peaceful way to look at the scenery > and be a part of it. I enjoy this kind of ride best without a helmet. > Trying to keep up with the locals as they get their pickup sideways in most > of the turns is also fun, but I wouldn't attempt it without a helmet and an > Aerostich. Ah, my friend, but what happens when that pickup is coming at you the WRONG WAY sideways when you are out riding at 15 mph enjoying the scenery? Splat city. That's the problem with fighting helmet laws - there are too many variables that cannot be controlled out there. I went down last month on a ride very similar to your serene, peaceful, helmetless one. And I wouldn't be here today dragging out this stupid thread to infinity if I had been riding without a helmet. (I know that most of the readers at this point are wondering if that is a good thing!) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:13:13 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23498 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA19740 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AB161BA011A; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:03:50 EST Message-ID: <36EEACF6.F0BD9A97@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:11:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Contestant #2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Just think of it this way, you'll be able to ride again when the > GOOD weather shows up. And I think as soon as Brian heals, we should have a group ride up to Punxsutawney, PA to hunt down certain groundhog. Spring right around the corner my ass, there's still snow on the ground, damnit! 6 weeks to the day after that myopic bastard rat failed to see his shadow even in the glare of all the tv cameras. Anyone got any good groundhog recipes? Dale (then again, not like I can ride my bike anyway...) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:14:24 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23515 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA19998 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA27788 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:12:51 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:12:51 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: I know.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:12:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I love it more than any woman could ever love chocolate.. Kinda sexist there, guy - 'taint just wimmen that love chocolate! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:21:59 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23692 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA20426 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AD1E3C90124; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:12:30 EST Message-ID: <36EEAEFF.F5979084@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:20:31 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: George Howell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <85256736.00576BB8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > I would surmise that you are not against future restrictions across > the board, but would probably pick and choose them based on the value > you see in them. Am I the only one who feels this way? You mean no one else judges new laws by their individual merits anymore? Damn, I am behind the times, wanting to take things on a case by case basis... > Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought you were saying not only that you > were against repealing the helmet law, but you are FOR having a > helmet law. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, Nope, that's right on. It is no more complicated than this: Them: "Look, Son, we are gonna let you ride this nice shiny motosickle anwhere you want, anytime you want, more or less as fast as you want, with anybody you want. All you gotta do is wear this here helmet." Me: "OK, I was gonna wear one anyway." So what's the big deal? Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:24:25 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23710 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA20768 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id ADB82630102; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:04 EST Message-ID: <36EEAF98.39324A60@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:23:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Thompson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RF 900 References: <199903161838.NAA23881@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can go see one in person at Cycle Sport Herndon. Used, maybe 15k on the clock, been there for a while, probably could get a good deal. Sorry, don't have any pic's online, though. Nice bike. Damn shame it's a chain drive, but that's my personal opinion. :) Dale Danny Thompson wrote: > > Does anyone know where I might be able to see a picture of the > Suzuki RF 900? > > Thanks, > > Danny > '99 VFR -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:25:35 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23735 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA20947 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F2356@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:23:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I have an idea. I don't know if it will work, but here it goes. I am assuming that the accident happened on the way to work this morning. I'm sure someone must have seen something. Being that most of us are people of habit, they will be commuting the same way tomorrow morning. I'm willing to meet up with you around the same time and place with a BIG F*&@^in' sign. Maybe a motorist with information will pull over or give a call. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:28:24 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23847 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA21348 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A0811FA01C4; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:26:57 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316143246.017e9b70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:34:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Contestant #2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> I'm sure we've >> got quite a few >> people on the list willing to help. > >Nice idea and all... but I have no clue what kind of car.. I remember that >it was dark, had a boxy front end, mid-sized sedan.. >there are probably thousands of cars that fit that description.. I have no >idea even what state plates the guy had.. nothin.. or even if it WAS a guy.. > >nice idea though... 'bout the only way we could find something would be to go to the same place each day at that time in case he/she/it travels through there regularly. Getting an identification would be pretty hard, unless there was visible damage to the front of the car that could be matched with the damage to the bike. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:28:25 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23849 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA21350 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A0801FA01C4; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:26:56 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316142540.017fb010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:31:40 -0500 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I know.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:54 PM 3/16/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >one of my coworkers says "I know someone who was killed while riding a >motorcycle, I'm just glad to see you're ok" and walks off... > >I didn't bite my tongue.. I walked after her and asked how many car >accidents she saw every day on her way home from work.... >Lets see if that circulates the building as fast as the news that I'd gotten >in an accident did. I don't understand what people will bring up things >like that in a casual conversation with someone who just had an accident.. >are they attempting to insinuate they wish me harm.. or what? Your question may have been rhetorical, but I'll answer it anyway -- They're attempting to justify/rationalize to themselves why they don't ride and why others shouldn't ride. Me, I tell about my friend horribly mangled when stopped at a light and hit from behind by a daydreaming car driver. If only he'd been on a bike, he could have pulled up between the cars, but no, he was in a car - and he was horribly injured. then I tell them that a rear-end collision is the most common collision in this area and nationwide - all caused by car drivers driving too fast to control their cars. That tends to shut them up or to get an admission of "advantages and disadvantages". My friend? Actually he's ficticious ... though something like that happened to someone on this list, I think. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:28:32 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23853 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA21354 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:26:13 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: I know.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:23:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > >I love it more than any woman could ever love chocolate.. > > Kinda sexist there, guy - 'taint just wimmen that love chocolate! > > Michael J. Yea, well you haven't kicked me out of bed at 3:30am and told me to get you chocolate because you were hungry and needed to regain some energy. I'll forever stand by my thoughts that women love chocolate more than men can ever even begin to imagine.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:31:54 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23955 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.129]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA21874 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:30:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316193123.11639.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.251] by send205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:31:23 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:31:23 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Any CCS racers out there? To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If so, I'd like some information. New classes for 1999 include GP Singles and there's rumoured to be a CCS Vintage program also. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:32:53 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23965 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA21923 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09251 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: RF 900 In-Reply-To: <199903161838.NAA23881@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Danny Thompson wrote: > Does anyone know where I might be able to see a picture of the > Suzuki RF 900? There's a review/comparison with the previous generation VFR at motorcycle online... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:36:41 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24060 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA22266 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:35:11 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:39:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Burger, Donald" To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RF 900 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:39:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Go to http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/gtbikes.html. It gives a detailed comparison to the 96 VFR Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: Burger, Donald > Subject: RF 900 > > Does anyone know where I might be able to see a picture of the > Suzuki RF 900? > > Thanks, > > Danny > '99 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:45:53 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24238 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA22832 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA00155; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:44:13 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990316194404.RMYL7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:44:04 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:42:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be6fe5$1c9e1a70$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <36EEA682.93A598B3@tidalwave.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > Where's the hypocrosy, Todd? > > By not joining or otherwise supporting the AMA and ABATE and groups > > advocating riders rights, you are part of the problem you fear most. > > Maybe, but look at how divided our little List is becoming on this > issue. Why should I support the AMA/ABATE if I truly do not believe > they are doing the right thing regarding helmet laws? I understand your position Dale, but standing by and speculating based on previous events is still just standing by. The hypocrisy I was pointing too was that you are against one of the only organizations willing to champion your rights as a rider, regardless of whether you believe wearing a helmet or not is a right (it is). But you insist that if they fight helmet laws all the other things you fear will happen, will happen. You have no proof one way or the other that they will happen, so why don't you stand behind the AMA and groups like them in the off chance that by doing so will turn out, you know, "for the greater good". Ok, we're spinning wheels now. If there are no other ideas, opinions, facts or otherwise, I suggest we put this little flaming gem away for another 6 months, or until Virginia repeals its Big Brotherly Love laws. By then the list will have become boring again and we can argue outloud again, like the low-life biker scum we are. :) Todd (Live and let Live, Live and let Die, Live free or Die) - excerpted from 'The essence of liberty', by David F. Nolan "....You own your own body and mind; no external power has the right to force you into the service of "society" or "mankind" or any other individual group for any purpose, however noble. Slavery is wrong, period. Because you own yourself, you are responsible for your own well-being. Others are not obligated to feed you, clothe you, or provide you with health care....." From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:47:55 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24258 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA22960 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA24988; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:34 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA24699; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: "Suazo, Tony" cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Contestant #2 In-Reply-To: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F2356@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll be glad to help also. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Suazo, Tony wrote: > > I have an idea. I don't know if it will work, but here it goes. I > am assuming > that the accident happened on the way to work this morning. I'm > sure someone > must have seen something. Being that most of us are people of > habit, they > will be commuting the same way tomorrow morning. I'm willing to > meet up > with you around the same time and place with a BIG F*&@^in' sign. > Maybe > a motorist with information will pull over or give a call. > > Tony > CBR600 F3 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:50:18 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24335 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA23081 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09555 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10538 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28445 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA16511; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:46:49 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990316194714.RPLS7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:47:14 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Leon Begeman" Cc: Subject: RE: Another helmet law rant. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:45:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be6fe5$8dabe800$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <36EEAAEE.6583D39E@tidalwave.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > That's the problem with > fighting helmet laws - there are too many variables that cannot > be controlled out there. I went down last month on a ride very > similar to your serene, peaceful, helmetless one. And I wouldn't be > here today dragging out this stupid thread to infinity if I > had been riding without a helmet. (I know that most of the > readers at this point are wondering if that is a good thing!) :) Wrong Dale! You would have been sorely missed. Your views on this subject have proven that we all don't have to agree on every topic, even if you know you're wrong. And you do, c'mon and admit it. Had you not been wearing a helmet, I would have considered you brain dead anyway. ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:50:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24345 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA23104 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09558 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10547 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 449 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:09 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990316144440.02488580@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Read Very Carefully, Everyone A lecture follows, given by Charlton Heston at Harvard. His points are all valid and should be taken to heart by those of us concerned with individual liberties. "Winning The Cultural War" Harvard Law School Forum February 16, 1999 ... by Charlton Heston I remember my son when he was five, explaining to his kindergarten class what his father did for a living. "My Daddy," he said, "pretends to be people." There have been quite a few of them. Prophets from the Old and New Testaments, a couple of Christian saints, generals of various nationalities and different centuries, several kings, three American presidents, a French cardinal and two geniuses, including Michelangelo. If you want the ceiling re-painted I'll do my best. There always seem to be a lot of different fellows up here. I'm never sure which one of them gets to talk. Right now, I guess I'm the guy. As I pondered our visit tonight it struck me: If my Creator gave me the gift to connect you with the hearts and minds of those great men, then I want to use that same gift now to re-connect you with your own sense of liberty ... your own freedom of thought ... your own compass for what is right. Dedicating the memorial at Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln said of America, "We are now engaged in a great Civil War, testing whether this nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure." Those words are true again. I believe that we are again engaged in a great civil war, a cultural war that's about to hijack your birthright to think and say what resides in your heart. I fear you no longer trust the pulsing lifeblood of liberty inside you ... the stuff that made this country rise from wilderness into the miracle that it is. Let me back up. About a year ago I became president of the National Rifle Association, which protects the right to keep and bear arms. I ran for office, I was elected, and now I serve ... I serve as a moving target for the media who've called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile, crazy old man." I know ... I'm pretty old ... but I sure Lord ain't senile. As I have stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I've realized that firearms are not the only issue. No, it's much, much bigger than that. I've come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain acceptable thoughts and speech are mandated. For example, I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 -- long before Hollywood found it fashionable. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist. I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life. But when I told an audience that gay rights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe. I served in World War II against the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling out innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite. Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh. From Time magazine to friends and colleagues, they're essentially saying, "Chuck, how dare you speak your mind. You are using language not authorized for public consumption!" But I am not afraid. If Americans believed in political correctness, we'd still be King George's boys-subjects bound to the British crown. In his book, "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross writes that "blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual theories regularly foisted on us from every direction. Underneath, the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name is undermining the nation, turning the mind mushy when it comes to separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don't like it." Let me read a few examples. At Antioch college in Ohio, young men seeking intimacy with a coed must get verbal permission at each step of the process from kissing to petting to final copulation ... all clearly spelled out in a printed college directive. In New Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who had been infected by dentists who had concealed their AIDS --- the state commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive need not ... need not ... tell their patients that they are infected. At William and Mary, students tried to change the name of the school team "The Tribe" because it was supposedly insulting to local Indians, only to learn that authentic Virginia chiefs truly like the name. In San Francisco, city fathers passed an ordinance protecting the rights of transvestites to cross-dress on the job, and for transsexuals to have separate toilet facilities while undergoing sex change surgery. In New York City, kids who don't speak a word of Spanish have been placed in bilingual classes to learn their three R's in Spanish solely because their last names sound Hispanic. At the University of Pennsylvania, in a state where thousands died at Gettysburg opposing slavery, the president of that college officially set up segregated dormitory space for black students. Yeah, I know ... that's out of bounds now. Dr. King said "Negroes." Jimmy Baldwin and most of us on the March said "black." But it's a no-no now. For me, hyphenated identities are awkward ... particularly "Native-American." I'm a Native American, for God's sake. I also happen to be a blood-initiated brother of the Miniconjou Sioux. On my wife's side, my grandson is a thirteenth generation native American ... with a capital letter on "American." Finally, just last month ... David Howard, head of the Washington D.C. Office of Public Advocate, used the word "niggardly" while talking to colleagues about budgetary matters. Of course, "niggardly" means stingy or scanty. But within days Howard was forced to publicly apologize and resign. As columnist Tony Snow wrote: "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ were morons who (a) didn't know the meaning of niggardly, (b) didn't know how to use a dictionary to discover the meaning, and (c) actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance." What does all of this mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say, so telling us what to do can't be far behind. Before you claim to be a champion of free thought, tell me: Why did political correctness originate on America's campuses? And why do you continue to tolerate it? Why do you, who're supposed to debate ideas, surrender to their suppression? Let's be honest. Who here thinks your professors can say what they really believe? It scares me to death, and should scare you too, that the superstition of political correctness rules the halls of reason. You are the best and the brightest. You, here in the fertile cradle of American academia, here in the castle of learning on the Charles River, you are the cream. But I submit that you, and your counterparts across the land, are the most socially conformed and politically silenced generation since Concord Bridge. And as long as you validate that ... and abide it ... you are-by your grandfathers' standards-cowards. Here's another example. Right now at more than one major university, Second Amendment scholars and researchers are being told to shut up about their findings or they'll lose their jobs. Why? Because their research findings would undermine big-city mayor's pending lawsuits that seek to extort hundreds of millions of dollars from firearm manufacturers. I don't care what you think about guns. But if you are not shocked at that, I am shocked at you. Who will guard the raw material of unfettered ideas, if not you? Who will defend the core value of academia, if you supposed soldiers of free thought and expression lay down your arms and plead, "Don't shoot me." If you talk about race, it does not make you a racist. If you see distinctions between the genders, it does not make you a sexist. If you think critically about a denomination, it does not make you anti-religion. If you accept but don't celebrate homosexuality, it does not make you a homophobe. Don't let America's universities continue to serve as incubators for this rampant epidemic of new McCarthyism. But what can you do? How can anyone prevail against such pervasive social subjugation? The answer's been here all along. I learned it 36 years ago, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C., standing with Dr. Martin Luther King and two hundred thousand people. You simply ... disobey. Peaceably, yes. Respectfully, of course. Nonviolently, absolutely. But when told how to think or what to say or how to behave, we don't. We disobey social protocol that stifles and stigmatizes personal freedom. I learned the awesome power of disobedience from Dr. King ... who learned it from Gandhi, and Thoreau, and Jesus, and every other great man who led those in the right against those with the might. Disobedience is in our DNA. We feel innate kinship with that disobedient spirit that tossed tea into Boston Harbor, that sent Thoreau to jail, that refused to sit in the back of the bus, that protested a war in Viet Nam. In that same spirit, I am asking you to disavow cultural correctness with massive disobedience of rogue authority, social directives and onerous law that weaken personal freedom. But be careful ... it hurts. Disobedience demands that you put yourself at risk. Dr. King stood on lots of balconies. You must be willing to be humiliated ... to endure the modern-day equivalent of the police dogs at Montgomery and the water cannons at Selma. You must be willing to experience discomfort. I'm not complaining, but my own decades of social activism have taken their toll on me. Let me tell you a story. A few years back I heard about a rapper named Ice-T who was selling a CD called "Cop Killer" celebrating ambushing and murdering police officers. It was being marketed by none other than Time/Warner, the biggest entertainment conglomerate in the world. Police across the country were outraged. Rightfully so-at least one had been murdered. But Time/Warner was stonewalling because the CD was a cash cow for them, and the media were tiptoeing around it because the rapper was black. I heard Time/Warner had a stockholders meeting scheduled in Beverly Hills. I owned some shares at the time, so I decided to attend. What I did there was against the advice of my family and colleagues. I asked for the floor. To a hushed room of a thousand average American stockholders, I simply read the full lyrics of "Cop Killer"-every vicious, vulgar, instructional word. "I GOT MY 12 GAUGE SAWED OFF I GOT MY HEADLIGHTS TURNED OFF I'M ABOUT TO BUST SOME SHOTS OFF I'M ABOUT TO DUST SOME COPS OFF..." It got worse, a lot worse. I won't read the rest of it to you. But trust me, the room was a sea of shocked, frozen, blanched faces. The Time/Warner executives squirmed in their chairs and stared at their shoes. They hated me for that. Then I delivered another volley of sick lyric brimming with racist filth, where Ice-T fantasizes about sodomizing two 12-year old nieces of Al and Tipper Gore. "SHE PUSHED HER BUTT AGAINST MY ...." Well, I won't do to you here what I did to them. Let's just say I left the room in echoing silence. When I read the lyrics to the waiting press corps, one of them said "We can't print that." "I know," I replied, "but Time/Warner's selling it." Two months later, Time/Warner terminated Ice-T's contract. I'll never be offered another film by Warners, or get a good review from Time magazine. But disobedience means you must be willing to act, not just talk. When a mugger sues his elderly victim for defending herself ... jam the switchboard of the district attorney's office. When your university is pressured to lower standards until 80% of the students graduate with honors ... choke the halls of the board of regents. When an 8-year-old boy pecks a girl's cheek on the playground and gets hauled into court for sexual harassment ... march on that school and block its doorways. When someone you elected is seduced by political power and betrays you ... petition them, oust them, banish them. When Time magazine's cover portrays millennium nuts as deranged, crazy Christians holding a cross as it did last month ... boycott their magazine and the products it advertises. So that this nation may long endure, I urge you to follow in the hallowed footsteps of the great disobediences of history that freed exiles, founded religions, defeated tyrants, and yes, in the hands of an aroused rabble in arms and a few great men, by God's grace, built this country. If Dr. King were here, I think he would agree. Thank you. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:52:15 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24356 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA23201 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:50:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316195419.24479.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web308.yahoomail.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:54:19 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:54:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: RF 900 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And a pic of it is also at bikepics.com http://www.bikepics.com/suzuki/rf900/001-rf900-norm.jpg ---Kirk Roy wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Danny Thompson wrote: > > Does anyone know where I might be able to see a picture of the > > Suzuki RF 900? > > There's a review/comparison with the previous generation VFR at motorcycle > online... > > Kirk > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 14:58:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24433 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA24262 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09699 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10702 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id OAA11423 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE6FBD.08CAC0C0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Passport Application -- No MC content Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I managed to locate the web site with the passport application forms, but where in the Reston/Herndon area can I go to submit the application in person? Someone told me the mail facility on RT. 28 does this, does anyone know for sure? TIA. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:17:34 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24829 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA26620 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01585 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8P0045IEYN6K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:17:51 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:56 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: DC Cycles Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B76A0@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain Ding dong the thread is dead, the thread is dead...... - means we (Dale and I ) can converse sweetly to each other again - been avoiding this because of our differing opinions. Next martial strife due - September 16, 1999. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:42 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. > > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > Where's the hypocrosy, Todd? > > > > By not joining or otherwise supporting the AMA and ABATE and groups > > > advocating riders rights, you are part of the problem you fear most. > > > > Maybe, but look at how divided our little List is becoming on this > > issue. Why should I support the AMA/ABATE if I truly do not believe > > they are doing the right thing regarding helmet laws? > > I understand your position Dale, but standing by and speculating based on > previous events is still just standing by. > > The hypocrisy I was pointing too was that you are against one of the only > organizations willing to champion your rights as a rider, regardless of > whether you believe wearing a helmet or not is a right (it is). But you > insist that if they fight helmet laws all the other things you fear will > happen, will happen. You have no proof one way or the other that they > will > happen, so why don't you stand behind the AMA and groups like them in the > off chance that by doing so will turn out, you know, "for the greater > good". > > Ok, we're spinning wheels now. If there are no other ideas, opinions, > facts > or otherwise, I suggest we put this little flaming gem away for another 6 > months, or until Virginia repeals its Big Brotherly Love laws. By then > the > list will have become boring again and we can argue outloud again, like > the > low-life biker scum we are. :) > > Todd > (Live and let Live, > Live and let Die, > Live free or Die) > > - excerpted from 'The essence of liberty', by David F. Nolan > "....You own your own body and mind; no external power has the right to > force you into the service of "society" or "mankind" or any other > individual > group for any purpose, however noble. Slavery is wrong, period. > Because you own yourself, you are responsible for your own > well-being. > Others are not obligated to feed you, clothe you, or provide you with > health > care....." From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:33:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25082 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA28158 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10130 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11393 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA27383; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:31:29 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA24818; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:31:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:31:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: Mike Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990316144440.02488580@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Personally, I would rather read Todd and Dale's endless posts. I rode my bike into work today and almost got squished. I indicated to the driver of the car that almost squished me that he was very very naughty. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:45:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25336 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA28980 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A27DF4A00C6; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:43:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316154916.01805f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:51:52 -0500 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B76A0@emss09m05.ems.lmc o.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:15 PM 3/16/99 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: >Ding dong the thread is dead, the thread is dead...... > > - means we (Dale and I ) can converse sweetly to each other again - been >avoiding this because of our differing opinions. Next martial strife due - >September 16, 1999. What? Who WAS that masked woman? Chris Norloff P.S. The next scheduled Recurring Thread will be about which state has the absolutely dumbest drivers. Please do not start this thread until it is announced by the Recurring Thread Committee. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:52:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25453 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA29333 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10607 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA11960 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3F1483700CC; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:49:53 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990316155714.01806200@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:58:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990316144440.02488580@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:31 PM 3/16/99 , Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > Personally, I would rather read Todd and Dale's endless >posts. > I rode my bike into work today and almost got squished. >I indicated to the driver of the car that almost squished me >that he was very very naughty. So did he indicate how many digits his IQ is? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:53:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25474 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA29424 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10621 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11979 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29337 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A24349500D0; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:42:43 EST Message-ID: <36EEC41D.6A320B16@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:50:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another helmet law rant. References: <000101be6fe5$8dabe800$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :) Get in line! :) Dale Todd Peer wrote: > Had you not been wearing a helmet, I would have considered you brain > dead anyway. > > ;) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 15:54:19 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25491 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA29485 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A2C9282011C; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:44:57 EST Message-ID: <36EEC4A9.C99971AD@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:52:57 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. References: <000001be6fe5$1c9e1a70$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Ok, we're spinning wheels now. If there are no other ideas, opinions, > facts or otherwise, I suggest we put this little flaming gem away for > another 6 months, or until Virginia repeals its Big Brotherly Love > laws. By then the list will have become boring again and we can > argue outloud again, like the low-life biker scum we are. :) Yep, we are agreeing to disagree. I'm done with this thread, too. Ride Safe, Crashing Sucks! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer - Sort of mangled right now 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - But she'll let me borrow it :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:00:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25679 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA00180 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10751 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12218 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00699 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20544) with ESMTP id <0F8P007JTGW31K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:59:31 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:57:36 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B76A3@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain But, with your helmet on did he see you make that face and stick your tongue out - :) No flames - that's reserved for Dale alone - > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh A. Caldwell [SMTP:Turnip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 3:31 PM > To: Mike Troutman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) > > > Personally, I would rather read Todd and Dale's endless > posts. > I rode my bike into work today and almost got squished. > I indicated to the driver of the car that almost squished me > that he was very very naughty. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:08:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25794 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA00739 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10868 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12508 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA27717; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:02:19 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990316210525.UEZX7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:05:25 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike Troutman" , Subject: RE: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:03:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be6ff0$79e0c380$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990316144440.02488580@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Hey Mike, Your subject implies that the contents of your message should end all this Helmet Law discussion. You trying to stifle us man! Thanks for the post. Todd Mike Troutman wrote (plagerized/copied/etc.) .... > What does all of this mean? It means that telling us what to think > has evolved into telling us what to say, so telling us what to do > can't be > far behind. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:08:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25796 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA00737 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10869 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12509 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA30362; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:02:20 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990316210526.UFAD7663@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:05:26 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Passport Application -- No MC content Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:03:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be6ff0$7a705950$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I think all main post office branches provide this service. You need to bring your own photos though. Call them. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:55 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Passport Application -- No MC content > > > I managed to locate the web site with the passport application forms, > but where in the Reston/Herndon area can I go to submit the application > in person? Someone told me the mail facility on RT. 28 does this, does > anyone know for sure? TIA. > > John > 98 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:10:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25843 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA00849 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10891 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12570 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQggvk16739; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256736.0073F9E1 ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:06:46 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" cc: Mike Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256736.0073F8C7.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:59:28 -0500 Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok, how exactly did you let him know he was naughty? Sounds interesting... ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Hugh A. Caldwell" on 03/16/99 03:31:28 PM To: Mike Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: To End The Helmet Discussions (NON MC) Personally, I would rather read Todd and Dale's endless posts. I rode my bike into work today and almost got squished. I indicated to the driver of the car that almost squished me that he was very very naughty. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:12:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25907 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA01127 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10920 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA12614 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA21008 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:30 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:30 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For your commuting pleasure Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This just in: Dear ENN Breaking News Subscribers, A man is threatening to kill himself on I-495 at the American Legion bridge. Details are sketchy, but reports and video from the scene show that traffic is heavily backed up on both sides of road. There is a heavy police presence on the scene. Reports just coming into the newsroom say the traffic is backed up from the bridge all the way to the Dulles toll road. Traffic may be extremely heavy for hours as this situation develops, so you may want to make alternate plans. -------------------------------------------------- Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:20:07 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26076 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:20:05 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA01641 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA03995; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:16:40 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018536; Tue, 16 Mar 99 15:50:45 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8P00GR1GLUBI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.00723361 ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:47:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:47:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Passport Application -- No MC content To: "Carver, John" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256736.0071F07E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL John, You submit passports at the US Post Office Branches. An added "luxury" of living in DC is that you could take it straight to the State Department, but they won't process it any faster unless you have already-purchased tickets in hand. --chris To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: "Carver, John" Date: 03/16/99 07:55:28 PM GMT Subject: Passport Application -- No MC content I managed to locate the web site with the passport application forms, but where in the Reston/Herndon area can I go to submit the application in person? Someone told me the mail facility on RT. 28 does this, does anyone know for sure? TIA. John 98 VFR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:24:52 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26118 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA02029 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA27595; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:18:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990316161420.008d4850@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:14:20 -0500 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: WERA Racers???? In-Reply-To: <6B6E7568D1C6D211A48C00600832A5B10588B9@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:25 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >David, Steve?? Bueler?? > Sorry dude, Chris Pyles & I checked the weather channel, saw that the gods did not favor the trip, and bailed. I got drunk instead. BTW your fork springs are at Rich's. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:28:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26228 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA02220 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11278 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13372 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 516; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:25 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990316162318.01a5b2d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:23 -0500 To: "Todd Peer" , "Carver, John" , From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Passport Application -- No MC content In-Reply-To: <000301be6ff0$7a705950$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:03 PM 3/16/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >I think all main post office branches provide this service. You need to >bring your own photos though. Call them. > >Todd > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:55 PM >> To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: Passport Application -- No MC content >> >> >> I managed to locate the web site with the passport application forms, >> but where in the Reston/Herndon area can I go to submit the application >> in person? Someone told me the mail facility on RT. 28 does this, does >> anyone know for sure? TIA. It just so happens that our company is requesting my team go get passports taken care of. The post office in McLean is apparently very fast, since it handles most of the CIA passports ;-) 123 & Elm Street Bring CASH or Money Order! ___________________________________________ “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:43:14 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26506 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA03156 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:41:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990316214349.24199.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.103] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:43:49 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: For your commuting pleasure To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just shoot the son of a bitch off of there so traffic can proceed. He wants to die, so what's the problem? ---"Jordan, Michael" wrote: > > This just in: > > Dear ENN Breaking News Subscribers, > > > A man is threatening to kill himself on I-495 at the > American Legion bridge. > > Details are sketchy, but reports and video from the scene > show that traffic is heavily backed up on both sides of > road. There is a heavy police presence on the scene. > > Reports just coming into the newsroom say the traffic is > backed up from the bridge all the way to the Dulles toll > road. > > Traffic may be extremely heavy for hours as this situation > develops, so you may want to make alternate plans. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:48:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26603 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA03709 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11594 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA14770 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA28695 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:45:59 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:45:59 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Americal Legion Bridge update Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:45:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear ENN- Breaking News Subscriber, The man threatening to kill himself on the American Legion Bridge on I-495 has been captured by police. The situation is defusing as police work to get the roadway cleared as quickly as possible. Traffic on the inner loop of the Beltway is still backed up all the way to Tyson's Corner, but should be improving now that the situation has been resolved. Lanes are starting to move and the two lanes previously blocked are in the process of being cleared. Tune in to NEWS7 at 5 for the full story on today's bridge drama. -------------------------------------------------- Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:54:19 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26725 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:54:16 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA04085 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA26946; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:54:08 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma011868; Tue, 16 Mar 99 16:29:09 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8P0013WIDS6A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0075B73D ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:33 -0500 Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. To: Chris Norloff Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <85256736.007572EA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Damn! I was hoping for a good 'ol synthetic vs. dino oil debate. --chris To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , DC Cycles cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Chris Norloff Date: 03/16/99 08:51:52 PM GMT Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. --snip-- P.S. The next scheduled Recurring Thread will be about which state has the absolutely dumbest drivers. Please do not start this thread until it is announced by the Recurring Thread Committee. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:56:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26758 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA04557 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11726 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from bmdo.mcri.com ([207.124.52.19]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15137 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from My ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA29117 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:55:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199903162255.RAA29117@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:53:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: For your commuting pleasure (another wacko) Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Someone here at work who was watching the news told me the guy just stopped his car, got out in the middle of the road, and began threatening himself with a knife. Yes, I did say knife. ( how this is possible, I am not entirely sure....) -John Newman 88 FZR 400 From: "Jordan, Michael" Dear ENN Breaking News Subscribers, A man is threatening to kill himself on I-495 at the American Legion bridge. Details are sketchy, but reports and video from the scene show that traffic is heavily backed up on both sides of road. There is a heavy police presence on the scene. Reports just coming into the newsroom say the traffic is backed up from the bridge all the way to the Dulles toll road. Traffic may be extremely heavy for hours as this situation develops, so you may want to make alternate plans. -------------------------------------------------- Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 16:58:02 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26840 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA04628 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 511; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:56:17 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990316165533.01ef09e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:56:15 -0500 To: Ray , DCCycles List From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: For your commuting pleasure In-Reply-To: <19990316214349.24199.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 04:43 PM 3/16/99 , Ray wrote: >Just shoot the son of a bitch off of there so traffic can proceed. He >wants to die, so what's the problem? This just in : They say the man =96 who is 30 years old =96 was threatening to do harm to himself; he was carrying a knife and had a cell phone with him. They say he got out of his car on the bridge and was ranting and raving into the phone. After about an hour police were able to safely apprehend him. The inner loop of I-495 experienced slow traffic movement as a result. he bridge had two right lanes closed, but traffic is getting through. The outer loop is open and moving. Tune to News4 for the latest information. ___________________________________________ =93Too bad the only people who know how to run the country=20 are busy cutting hair and driving cabs=94 - George Burns Mike Troutman=20 http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 17:20:03 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27214 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA05989 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA04615; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:15:25 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA17443; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:15:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Sender: Turnip@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A nice ERC experience In-Reply-To: <001201be6f5e$d95221c0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just signed up for the course also. Did you take the basic course? I haven't and even though I've been riding for 15 years I was wondering where I might pick up some of the training materials. The basic course is full till July btw. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 17:27:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27357 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA06446 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12181 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA16582 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:57 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA16688; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:26:40 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002237; Tue, 16 Mar 99 17:02:05 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F8P005BEJW6KL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256736.0078B407 ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:58:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:53:59 -0500 Subject: Re: For your commuting pleasure To: "Jordan, Michael" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256736.00786927.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL This just in also: Man on Bridge Ties up Traffic A 30 year-old Virginia man was captured by police after he threatened to do harm to himself while standing near the edge of the American Legion Bridge on I-495. The man had a knife as well as a cell phone. Police first got him to put down the knife, then asked him to get into his car. At that point they rushed the car, secured the man and arrested him. The two lanes that were shut during the situation are now back open. Traffic is still backed up but is moving on both sides. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: "Jordan, Michael" Date: 03/16/99 09:09:20 PM GMT Subject: For your commuting pleasure This just in: Dear ENN Breaking News Subscribers, A man is threatening to kill himself on I-495 at the American Legion bridge. Details are sketchy, but reports and video from the scene show that traffic is heavily backed up on both sides of road. There is a heavy police presence on the scene. Reports just coming into the newsroom say the traffic is backed up from the bridge all the way to the Dulles toll road. Traffic may be extremely heavy for hours as this situation develops, so you may want to make alternate plans. -------------------------------------------------- Please visit wjla.com's web site: www.wjla.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 17:53:07 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27859 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA07937 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm5-6.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.77]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09497 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: <002201be6fff$897d81c0$4d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Laverda Motorcycles in USA Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE6FD1.CF6C93C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE6FD1.CF6C93C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just happened to run across this -- =20 LAVERDA Motorcycles Set for Comeback in New York; Redline Motorsports Named Exclusive Manhattan Dealer =20 NEW YORK, March 16 /PRNewswire/ -- Never say never says Motor = Laverda USA as the Italy's leading motorcycle manufacturer announces = today the reintroduction of LAVERDA motorcycles to the United States. = The company also announced today that Redline Motorsports will serve as = the exclusive Manhattan based dealer of the new line. The LAVERDA lineup has not been available to the US marketplace = since 1983. LAVERDA's rich history in road racing throughout Europe = helped the company gain prominence in the 1970's and early 80's, as it = was the leading builder of reliable, fast motorcycles. In 1976, LAVERDA = built what was the fastest production motorcycle in the world, the = legendary JOTA 1000 three cylinder. "The 1999 LAVERDA lineup continues the company's tradition of = producing high quality, hand-built Italian sport motorcycles with an = emphasis on unparalleled handling," says Chuck Bonis at Redline = Motorsports. "We are pleased to be named the exclusive dealer for = Manhattan as we expect the current motor cycling trend in New York City = to continue to escalate in 1999." All new LAVERDAS meet all EPA and D.O.T. requirements. In addition, = LAVERDAS current lineup of modem 750 twins features a fuel injected, = liquid cooled, multi valve powerplant that matches impressive horsepower = with some of the best brakes, suspension, and chassis components = available. The following are the pricing for the 1999 LAVERDA models: =20 1999 Laverda 750 S Half Fairing $9,995.00 1999 Laverda 750 S Full Fairing $10,795.00 1999 Laverda 750 S Formula $12,995.00 1999 Laverda 750 Ghost Strike $9,795.00 Dealer and general information is available from: =20 Motor Laverda USA, Inc Redline Motorsports 8989 Monroe Road 131 West 26th Street Houston, TX 77061 New York, NY 10001 713-943-2288 212-645-0005 fax 713-943-8894 fax 212-691-6838 www.motolaverda.com www.redlinemotor.com =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Welcome from a Japanese bike made in the U.S. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE6FD1.CF6C93C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just happened to run = across this=20 --
 
          &nbs= p;  =20 LAVERDA Motorcycles Set for Comeback in New=20 York;
          &nbs= p; =20 Redline Motorsports Named Exclusive Manhattan Dealer
 
    NEW = YORK, March 16=20 /PRNewswire/ -- Never say never says Motor Laverda USA as the Italy's = leading=20 motorcycle manufacturer announces today the reintroduction of LAVERDA=20 motorcycles to the United States. The company also announced today that = Redline=20 Motorsports will serve as the exclusive Manhattan based dealer of the = new=20 line.
    The LAVERDA lineup has not been available to = the US=20 marketplace since 1983.  LAVERDA's rich history in road racing = throughout=20 Europe helped the company gain prominence in the 1970's and early 80's, = as it=20 was the leading builder of reliable, fast motorcycles.  In 1976, = LAVERDA=20 built what was the fastest production motorcycle in the world, the = legendary=20 JOTA 1000 three cylinder.
    "The 1999 LAVERDA = lineup=20 continues the company's tradition of producing high quality, hand-built = Italian=20 sport motorcycles with an emphasis on unparalleled handling," says = Chuck=20 Bonis at Redline Motorsports.  "We are pleased to be named the = exclusive dealer for Manhattan as we expect the current motor cycling = trend in=20 New York City to continue to escalate in = 1999."
    All=20 new LAVERDAS meet all EPA and D.O.T. requirements.  In addition, = LAVERDAS=20 current lineup of modem 750 twins features a fuel injected, liquid = cooled, multi=20 valve powerplant that matches impressive horsepower with some of the = best=20 brakes, suspension, and chassis components = available.
    The=20 following are the pricing for the 1999 LAVERDA models:
 
    1999 = Laverda 750 S=20 Half Fairing         =20 $9,995.00
    1999 Laverda 750 S Full=20 Fairing         =20 $10,795.00
    1999 Laverda 750 S=20 Formula           =    =20 $12,995.00
    1999 Laverda 750 Ghost=20 Strike            = $9,795.00
 
    = Dealer and general=20 information is available from:
 
    = Motor Laverda USA,=20 Inc           &nbs= p; =20 Redline Motorsports
    8989 Monroe=20 Road           &nb= sp;       =20 131 West 26th Street
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Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Welcome from a Japanese bike made in the U.S.
Join the AMA.  = Help=20 protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE6FD1.CF6C93C0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 19:56:17 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00430 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA15450 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-87-202.s202.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.87.202]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA26968 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:58:27 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Contestant #2 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:55:10 -0500 Message-ID: <008101be7010$cee8bf20$4857accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Brian, I'm so happy you survived pretty well. Did you actually ride the mangled bike home with a broken wrist?? Are the police interested in getting the sleaze? Or have the given up because of the lack in info? Chin up. You'll heal and the bike will be fixed. Good Luck, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting...) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ - McCoy, Brian said piteously: And another round of 'Kissing Pavement' has been played over the weekend. This Contestant? One Mr. Brian McCoy on an 87 VFR700 FII. The scene is set.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 20:18:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00919 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA16660 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14501 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.troutman.org (209-122-199-200.s454.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.199.200]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA20266 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by gecko.troutman.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00431 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:15:30 -0500 Received: from iguana(172.16.50.1) by gecko via smap (V2.1) id xma000429; Tue, 16 Mar 99 20:15:18 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990316201259.048271b0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:15:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Sweet! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Went by Manassas Honda to pick up a new battery for the Nighthawk, and they had a sweet selection of FirstGear jackets. Wound up buying Kenya ( short Kilimonjaro ) for about $240 after my MSF 10% discount. Just popped in the new battery after 45 mins of charging, and it SPRANG to life like it never had before. So - I am now armed for any cold riding days that are left....it was kind of embarrasing pop-starting the bike for a week or so..... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 23:08:26 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01076 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA25304 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:08:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:04:27 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Haven't had a good helmet law debate in awhile.. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:05:15 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01be702b$5cb011e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <001101be6fc5$6e8c6e10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Yup, 'onerous' is a subjective term. But given that I'm a member of the AMA, I have the right to put in my 2 cents about how they spend my money;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 16 23:46:10 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01826 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-29.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.70]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20185 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:46:04 -0500 Message-ID: <029a01be7031$08976300$4d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: A nice ERC experience Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:45:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Hugh -- My recollection of the ERC course is lots of written notes inside and mental notes outside, the idea being to refresh and adjust a working riding technique -- this at a level above the RSS beginner course. War stories, rough edges smoothed, MSF concepts reinstilled, topnotch instructors used to dealing with all levels and types of experience. An open, inquiring mind ready for responsible riding will be a major asset. There are no grades or rankings, as I recall. If you want to prebook, in my ERC there was an Experienced RiderCourse Particpant's Handbook (46pgs.) In my first course there was the Motorcycle RiderCourse Riding and Street Skills (RSS) Student Workbook (50pgs). And there is the Motorcycling Excellence book (bigger, on shelves at 24.95). 1-800-447-4700 is an MSF number from the past: They should be able to help you procure the pubs. But the ERC class info and range work are both parallel to the books, which seem not absolutely necessary to getting your money's worth from the day. Prepped or not I'd bet on the ERC being an enjoyable and confidence-building boost for any dedicated biker. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Not literate yet though ready to swerve Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Hugh A. Caldwell > > I just signed up for the course also. Did you take the >basic course? I haven't and even though I've been riding for 15 >years I was wondering where I might pick up some of the training >materials. The basic course is full till July btw. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 00:10:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02194 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18155 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA24090 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:06:28 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Brake checking product Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:07:17 -0500 Message-ID: <006001be7034$072925a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Saw this nifty product in a 4x4 mag. They're these test strips (same size/shape as those used to check urine for ketones, blood, protein, etc. in a doctor's office) but these check for water. So what, right? Well, they change color based on the percent of water in your brake fluid (DOT 3 or 4, they say) I haven't used it, but thought some on the list might be interested. It's made by Wagner Brake products and is called 'Wet Check'. No price listed. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 17 06:14:56 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09524 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-48.s48.as1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.48]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA11522 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:14:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01be7067$3c982960$304daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Membership Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:13:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE703D.52387420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE703D.52387420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all bikers on the net. My names Brian and I've been on your list = server for about 2 months. I have also sent all personal info to the = roster page. Is there anything else I need to do to become a new member? = It was a nice surprise when Jon from the FZR600 Archives mentioned there = was a local club that catered to any & all motorcycles. Can't wait to = meet and ride with all of you.=20 See ya on the pavement soon. Brian N.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE703D.52387420 C