From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 03:49:56 2005 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:45:27 -0500 From: skip CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: It's Official - Va. Red Light Cams Dead I did finally get an answer to my letter to my delagate. he opposes the red light cameras, and is working to ensure that the sun sets on them. --skip Paul Wilson wrote: > > Unless something extraordinary happens, the Virginia red light camera > program will expire at the end of June. > > ------------- > > (AP) - Local pilot programs in Virginia Beach and northern Virginia > that use cameras to catch red light runners will end as scheduled July > 1 because of a parliamentary ruling Thursday (2/24) by House of > Delegates Speaker William J. Howell. > > The House Militia, Police and Public Safety Committee last week > rejected legislation to extend the "photo red" programs in several > northern Virginia localities and Virginia Beach. However, the Senate > revived the programs in a floor amendment to a bill requiring > motorists to stop and provide their license plate number when they > have an accident. > > Howell, R-Stafford, ruled the amendment was improper because the > objects of the amendment and the bill were not closely related. > > "The original bill dealt with the duty of a driver to stop after an > accident. The Senate substitute seems to have added something about > red light cameras," Howell said. "...Even I can figure this one out. I > don't believe it's germane." > > House Majority Leader H. Morgan Griffith of Salem asked for the ruling. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 08:49:19 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 05:48:31 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Will work for boots! To: DCCycles smthng sighed: )B“My quest for new boots goes sadly unfulfilled. :( I got sniped on eBay for a perfect pair of Sidi Vertigo's tonight... SIX SECONDS!!!)B” Battley)B’s bargain balcony had some Sidis. Dunno which ones but IIRC they looked like Vertebrae. For those interested in flip up helmets, they had a few Nolans for $125 and a bunch of Schuberth)B’s for $300. For the serious biker, there were some Harley thongs. 8^D Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '96 ST1100 (Stumped for a name) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 10:00:24 2005 Subject: RE: Will work for boots! Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:00:20 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DCCycles" My .02: I bought my Vertebraes from Fast Lane Cycles and they had a decent selection of sizes and colors when I bought mine. www.fastlanecycles.com Unfortunately, a piece of metal debris on I-66 sliced right through one of them and almost took out my toes, not to mention knocking my foot off the peg and launching a tankslapper. I'll see if I still have the mpg of me waving all 5 fingers through the whole :) I bought a pair of Frank Thomas boots to replace them. Alas, until a Cycle Gear opens in the area you'll have to go online to shop there. http://www.cyclegear.com/index.cfm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA DEL *.* = 100% file compression Battley's bargain balcony had some Sidis. Dunno which ones but IIRC they looked like Vertebrae. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 12:04:53 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Dc-Cycles'" Subject: RE: It's Official - Va. Red Light Cams Dead Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:04:23 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79326deed059f586129c4cadd5bc7fe744350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Skip: I did finally get an answer to my letter to my delagate. he opposes the red light cameras, and is working to ensure that the sun sets on them. [Dave] Maybe we could collectively get together and offer UnFairTax some pathetic amount of money for one of their cams, which we could "sentence" to death by some voted upon means. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 14:02:51 2005 Subject: News item about the lane merging issue Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:02:45 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002192177_lanecheaters28m.html Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 15:16:02 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: paging Randy Moran... :) To: DC-Cycles Hi everyone. Does anyone have a working email for Randy Moran? The one I had off his old race site is bouncing back to me. Wanted to ask if he knew a guy named Mark Neff out in the NOVA area (anyone else feel free to reply back if they know him too :) ) Other than that, big hiya to everyone back there. I'm stationed in st. louis for the next 3.5 years (probably back to DC next). I'm re-entering the race world after too long off. In fact, next sunday I'm doing a track day at Hallet Raceway to do some suspension tweaking on the bike (and to get me back in shape). Hope everyone is doing well! Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 16:22:26 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:22:23 -0500 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: paging Randy Moran... :) On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:15:52 -0800 (PST), Collin T. Fagan wrote: > In fact, next sunday I'm > doing a track day at Hallet Raceway to do some suspension tweaking on > the bike (and to get me back in shape). Good to hear from ya! you do any of the WERA National stuff, let us know - I'll prolly be following the circuit again this year, doing track photography. (Had some stuff published in Roadracing World last year!) What will you be riding? - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 18:39:56 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:39:43 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: Battery Tender/Hawker Odyssey fallout? http://batterytender.com/notice_odyssey.php?osCsid=e2348e55521de2fecdbe615838f36428 Interesting. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 19:30:38 2005 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Will work for boots! Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:30:57 -0500 Don't know whether this is a good price or not, but in case you missed it on CL yesterday: http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/61716700.html Dave Lowenstein ----- Original Message ----- > smthng sighed: > "My quest for new boots goes sadly unfulfilled. :( I > got sniped on eBay for a perfect pair of Sidi > Vertigo's tonight... SIX SECONDS!!!" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 21:25:27 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: stoppie fun Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:25:08 -0500 http://www.scottishbiker.com/getagrip/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 23:15:53 2005 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:17:58 -0500 To: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: stoppie fun At 09:25 PM 3/1/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: >http://www.scottishbiker.com/getagrip/ That site uses ActiveX...so it's only viewable by those using Windows with browser security turned off (i.e. set to "foobar" me mode)...admittedly a fairly large audience, but certainly not everyone who might be interested. Why do people artificially limit their audiences like that? I though a web page was to communicate things, not hide them behind such barriers? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 07:35:41 2005 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:34:46 -0500 Subject: Re: stoppie fun From: Randy Moran To: "Mike B." , (DC Cycles) dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually, it worked fine on my Mac using the Apple browser, Safari, and without having to mess with any settings. RPM On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, at 11:17 PM, Mike B. wrote: > > That site uses ActiveX...so it's only viewable by those using Windows > with > browser security turned off (i.e. set to "foobar" me > mode)...admittedly a > fairly large audience, but certainly not everyone who might be > interested. > Why do people artificially limit their audiences like that? I though > a web > page was to communicate things, not hide them behind such barriers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 09:55:46 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:55:15 -0500 A friend of mine said two wheeled tuesday on Speed vision had a segment near the end interviewing bike thieves or something.. it comes on again now, at 10 a.m. if you're by a tv and interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 10:39:42 2005 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:40:51 -0500 To: Randy Moran , (DC Cycles) dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: stoppie fun Another user said it apparently uses Flash, and guessed that the ActiveX is trying to install that software on my machine. Sounds reasonable. If you already have Flash capability, that wouldn't come up. Does your Mac support ActiveX? Or just quietly ignore it? -- Mike B. At 07:34 AM 3/2/05 -0500, Randy Moran wrote: >Actually, it worked fine on my Mac using the Apple browser, Safari, and >without having to mess with any settings. > >RPM > >On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, at 11:17 PM, Mike B. wrote: >> >> That site uses ActiveX...so it's only viewable by those using Windows >> with browser security turned off (i.e. set to "foobar" me >> mode)...admittedly a From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 10:48:27 2005 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:47:58 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Battery Tender/Hawker Odyssey fallout? And the response: http://www.odysseyfactory.com/odycharg_c.htm On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:39:43 -0500, Aaron Maurer wrote: > http://batterytender.com/notice_odyssey.php?osCsid=e2348e55521de2fecdbe615838f36428 > > Interesting. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 12:18:51 2005 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:18:26 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: stoppie fun > Another user said it apparently uses Flash, and guessed that the ActiveX is > trying to install that software on my machine. Sounds reasonable. If you > already have Flash capability, that wouldn't come up. It be Flash. I'm behind a firewall that totally blocks Active-X controls and the game ran just fine. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 22:18:23 2005 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:18:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah I caught it last night when I came home from work at 12. It was interesting but not too terribly informational from what I already knew as far as the best place to park and such. It was interesting that the price for a stolen bike was soo low. I didn't think that it'd be all that high but 600$ for a R6 that's scary. Ian 2004 R6 --- Daniel wrote: > A friend of mine said two wheeled tuesday on Speed > vision > had a segment near the end interviewing bike > thieves or something.. > > it comes on again now, at 10 a.m. if you're by a tv > and interested. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 08:20:55 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (OT: dumb scammers - fwd) WORK WITH US - good laugh Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:20:33 -0500 ROTFL normally I get spammed by these scammers all the time, but this was one I got this morning that I find absolutely hilarious, since this is exactly how it came and hasn't been altered in anyway. LOL Sorry to be off topic, but I'm compelled to share it here, because i Know this kind of crap has been discussed before, with the nigerian cheque scammers. On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:45:25 +0000 (GMT), harold wrote: > >Dear Friend, >I am SCROTUM HAROLD JOHN,from califorina U.S.A based in LONDON.we are a group of > business men who deal on import and export raw materials into canada,America >Europe.and Asia, We are searching for representatives who can help us >establish a medium of getting to our costumers in the canada,America >Europe.and Asia. As well as making payments through you as our payment officer. > >Please if you are interested in transacting business with us we >will be very glad. Please contact us for more information.Subject to >your satisfaction you will be given the opportunity to negotiate your >mode of which we will pay for your services as our representative in your country. >If you are interested in this transaction, forward the information >below to us at :[haroldscrotum@XXXXXX] > >(1)Your full names, >(2)Contact address and, >(3)Phone/fax numbers. > >Thank you for your time. >Best Regards. >MR Scrotum Harld. J >Managing Director/Ceo >Credence coating service Ltd >24-34 hartwrth avenue >east evertonlondon >England >EMAIL: haroldscrotum@XXXXXX > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Mail sent from WebMail service at PHP-Nuke Powered Site >- http://yoursite.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 08:37:46 2005 From: Daniel To: Ian Schmidt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:37:29 -0500 I would bet dollars to donughts (donuts cost about a dollar anyway) that the guy chose to downplay what he charged. For any of the following reasons: 1. Speed vision may have told him to, in order to not intice potential theives. ( Hardly seems worth it. ) 2. He may have already told the D.A. who convicted him that's what he was charging and wants to stick to his story I mean $600 split two to four ways doesn't carry a lot of juice on the streets (what movie was that from, badboys?). I would guess the prices were probably double what he was stating. I mean hell you could pull off a set of wheels, or bodywork, and have 500 to 1000 right there. When I first heard his prices, I said they are a bunch of idiots, they could get a job and make the same amount of money and not risk getting shot or going to jail.. then i realized, he's probbaly fudging the numbers. Then again, he and his crew might be crack heads, who will sell their mother for $20. I suspect the prices were at least double.. but still! Oh and btw theives will go in your home garage. I know a guy who's garage was broken in to. Heard of a couple of other stories too. That segment really was a waste, saying all the stuff we already knew anyway. "don't park in a apt complex". I wonder if he got a slap on the wrist.. for one he's out, for two, speed vision didn't mention it as a deterent. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:18:15 -0800 (PST), Ian Schmidt wrote: >Yeah I caught it last night when I came home from work >at 12. It was interesting but not too terribly >informational from what I already knew as far as the >best place to park and such. It was interesting that >the price for a stolen bike was soo low. I didn't >think that it'd be all that high but 600$ for a R6 >that's scary. > >Ian >2004 R6 > > >--- Daniel wrote: > >> A friend of mine said two wheeled tuesday on Speed >> vision >> had a segment near the end interviewing bike >> thieves or something.. >> >> it comes on again now, at 10 a.m. if you're by a tv >> and interested. >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 08:59:16 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Daniel'" , Ian Schmidt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:59:07 -0500 This kinda reminds me about the discovery show "it takes a thief". You want some home security tips watch that show. They showed previews of the next show and they get their bike stolen. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:daniel.dc@XXXXXX] To: Ian Schmidt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves I would bet dollars to donughts (donuts cost about a dollar anyway) that the guy chose to downplay what he charged. For any of the following reasons: 1. Speed vision may have told him to, in order to not intice potential theives. ( Hardly seems worth it. ) 2. He may have already told the D.A. who convicted him that's what he was charging and wants to stick to his story I mean $600 split two to four ways doesn't carry a lot of juice on the streets (what movie was that from, badboys?). I would guess the prices were probably double what he was stating. I mean hell you could pull off a set of wheels, or bodywork, and have 500 to 1000 right there. When I first heard his prices, I said they are a bunch of idiots, they could get a job and make the same amount of money and not risk getting shot or going to jail.. then i realized, he's probbaly fudging the numbers. Then again, he and his crew might be crack heads, who will sell their mother for $20. I suspect the prices were at least double.. but still! Oh and btw theives will go in your home garage. I know a guy who's garage was broken in to. Heard of a couple of other stories too. That segment really was a waste, saying all the stuff we already knew anyway. "don't park in a apt complex". I wonder if he got a slap on the wrist.. for one he's out, for two, speed vision didn't mention it as a deterent. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:18:15 -0800 (PST), Ian Schmidt wrote: >Yeah I caught it last night when I came home from work >at 12. It was interesting but not too terribly >informational from what I already knew as far as the >best place to park and such. It was interesting that >the price for a stolen bike was soo low. I didn't >think that it'd be all that high but 600$ for a R6 >that's scary. > >Ian >2004 R6 > > >--- Daniel wrote: > >> A friend of mine said two wheeled tuesday on Speed >> vision >> had a segment near the end interviewing bike >> thieves or something.. >> >> it comes on again now, at 10 a.m. if you're by a tv >> and interested. >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 09:11:09 2005 From: Daniel To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Cc: Ian Schmidt , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:10:50 -0500 when does it come on? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 09:45:19 2005 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:47:24 -0500 To: Daniel From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:37 AM 3/3/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: >I mean $600 split two to four ways doesn't carry a lot of juice on >the streets (what movie was that from, badboys?). I would guess the >prices were probably double what he was stating. I mean hell you >could pull off a set of wheels, or bodywork, and have 500 to 1000 >right there. When I first heard his prices, I said they are a bunch >of idiots, they could get a job and make the same amount of money and >not risk getting shot or going to jail.. then i realized, he's >probbaly fudging the numbers. I'll go for the "he's one of a bunch of idiots" option. $600 for an R6 may well be the going rate. How much would you pay for a bike you can't title or get plates for (other than by stealing them)? A bike that you will get arrested for if you are caught riding it? It's a "throwaway" if you buy it...unless you are a chopshop. If you are going to chop the bike up and sell the parts to people looking for "good deals" on e-Bay or whatever (like some on this list?), then it is worth a lot more than $600. You can sell any part that doesn't carry ID (VIN for instance) for a good percentage of the replacement part cost. Doing this requires that you have a little computer knowledge, 'net access, and an address or account to use to receive payments (and none of the usual morals). It's unlikely that our damned bike thieves have any of that (except the lack of morals), so they are going to be selling the bike to someone who does...and that person is going to offer them just enough to make it worth their while, not enough to make them rich. $600 for an hour's work, even split 4 ways, isn't bad when your alternative is flipping burgers at $5/hour. Especially since the $600 is tax free. Anything you do that will pay you that much (if you are the sort of useless slime that steals bikes) carries the risk of jail time. The risk isn't that high anyway...you have to get caught first, then they have to decide to prosecute, then they have to convict you, and even then you are likely to walk out on probation several times before they actually make you serve any real time. The jails are full of minor drug offenders, and besides, you are "underprivileged" and grew up without proper opportunities, so society owes you some breaks, right? One more chance...so don't do it again, ok? And even if you do go to jail, that's 3 squares and a cot with no working for it, probably with a lot of people you already know (who probably have some ideas on other lines of "work" for you to try, or advice on how not to get caught again), and when you get out, you now have a "rep" with the sort of people you like to hang out with. It's like a promotion. You aren't interested in being a productive part of society, so the fact that your "rep" interferes with this is of no concern...you are scum, you've accepted that, and it gives you permission to prey on society without feeling any remorse for your ways. $600 and all you have to do is jack some rich punk's ride while he's sleeping? Show the way! The above may or may not apply to the particular idiot the if from the show, but it certainly applies to a lot of them. Anyone who buys "good deals" from e-Bay or elsewhere, without trying to verify that the parts were acquired legally, is contributing to the situation by creating a market for the stolen parts. Any seller who objects to your trying to verify that is probably a the if, or hasn't really thought through the situation very well. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 13:24:26 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (OT: dumb scammers - fwd) WORK WITH US - good laugh Content-ID: <1641.1109874263.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:24:23 -0500 From: harry@XXXXXX >Sorry to be off topic, but I'm compelled to share it here... Everybody, please resist the compulsion to post non-motorcycling stuff to the dc-cycles list. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 15:14:09 2005 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:09:25 -0500 From: skip To: harry@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: (OT: dumb scammers - fwd) WORK WITH US - good laugh --unless they call themselves "scrotum" or unles harry gets bent out of shape about teh funnay harry@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Sorry to be off topic, but I'm compelled to share it here... > > Everybody, please resist the compulsion to post non-motorcycling > stuff to the dc-cycles list. > -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 19:25:34 2005 From: "Jay Goddard" To: Subject: Re: two wheeled Tuesday bike thieves Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:25:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:47:24 -0500 To: Daniel From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:37 AM 3/3/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: >I mean $600 split two to four ways doesn't carry a lot of juice on >the streets (what movie was that from, badboys?). I would guess the >prices were probably double what he was stating. I mean hell you >could pull off a set of wheels, or bodywork, and have 500 to 1000 >right there. When I first heard his prices, I said they are a bunch >of idiots, they could get a job and make the same amount of money and >not risk getting shot or going to jail.. then i realized, he's >probbaly fudging the numbers. Selling a stolen bike is like anything else, that bike has half a dozen stops from crook to the consumer, each person jacks it up a bit. Hot cars get sold by the original thief for around $2500 (so the cops say), and it is a lot harder to steal 20 cars in a night than it is to steal 20 bikes. When you buy a steak at the Safeway you pay $7 a pound, do you think the farmer gets paid that much? Chopping bikes and selling the parts is about the same as chopping cows. -- Thanks!! Jay Goddard Don't forget about our 2nd annual Daytona Party 301-340-0886 Jay@XXXXXX http://www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 20:10:11 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: skip@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (OT: dumb scammers - fwd) WORK WITH US - good laugh Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:09:53 -0500 That took a lot of balls! Perry >From: skip >To: harry@XXXXXX, DC Cycles >Subject: Re: (OT: dumb scammers - fwd) WORK WITH US - good laugh >Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:09:25 -0500 > >--unless they call themselves "scrotum" > > > > > > >or unles harry gets bent out of shape about teh funnay > >harry@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > >Sorry to be off topic, but I'm compelled to share it here... > > > > Everybody, please resist the compulsion to post non-motorcycling > > stuff to the dc-cycles list. > > -harry > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 00:41:48 2005 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Fear and Loathing in a Snow-Phobic City To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ok so I'm a week late on the thread. I think you guys in DC got more snow this year than we got in Chicago. 2 days ago it was dusting a little bit and the ground temp was at that margin of freezing when I rolled up a red light at oh about 15mph. Something about the intersection looked "off" so I gently applied the rear brake. Immediately lost the rear and fishtailing big time. Let go of the rear brake and got it back but now tried the front. Locked up solid and skipping sideways. That won't work, try the rear again. big-oscilations side to side. Now I'm thinking this is not very good. I'm 6 ft from plowing straight into cross traffic and wouldn't you know it I'm about to T-bone the CTA bus if I'm lucky. If he gets on the brakes he won't stop in time but I'll drift far enough forward that he'll broadside me and send me flying into the corner building. Feet down in drag mode. I don't think ice cleats would have done any good. By a miracle the front tire finds just enough traction to stop me 1ft short of the bus. I'm staring at the billboard for a TV show with the catch line "And they were watching God" move past my nose. Ya think? I don't know what it was about that intersection. I had no issues the rest of the day but it was like I was standing on vaseline. Good thing the bike could pretty much balance itself because my feet might as well be soled with ball bearings. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 10:06:57 2005 From: Daniel To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fear and Loathing in a Snow-Phobic City Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:06:42 -0500 LOL @ the bill board. Good story! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 10:40:40 2005 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:26:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: last try - Chris Weaver!?! Anyone know how to get ahold of Chris? If I don't talk to him right away, he may lose control of the dccycles.com domain (unrelated to the dc-cycles.org listserv). I can't move it for him, and he isn't responding on his yahoo email address. My web server moves next Thursday, but the company I was working for will shut down their DNS servers the following week. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 12:24:21 2005 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:24:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Back Packs for Motorcycles To: DCCycles , SabMag Rider Magazine has an article on back packs for motorcycles that was interesting until . . . I saw the prices. =8^O I)B’ve been commuting by motorcycle into Washington DC for a couple of decades. During that time, I)B’ve used a JanSport back pack (the second one cost $20) or a cloth brief case (freebie). For the back pack, I simply laid the pack on the back part of the saddle, hooked the straps around the turn signals and pulled them tight. When I started using the freebie brief cases, I did the best thing you can do to two bungee cords: Select a bungee that will fit snugly over the saddle when the hooks go through the holes on the passenger pegs. Next tie another bungee cord (of appropriate length*) to the first bungee smack dab in the middle of both (A square knot Scouts, not a grannie knot). Flop the brief case on the saddle; stretch the two free bungee ends over the case and hook them to something. For the back pack, the cross-tied bungees now hold it even more securely. )B“Something” depends on the size of the load and the bike. On my )B‘85 Sabre, a turn around the turn signals and then to the passenger grab bar works for small loads. Large loads can be held by hooking to the side rails or the grab bars. The )B‘83 Interceptor has less to hook on so the bungees)B’ loose ends are usually hooked together and stretched under the license plate. The )B‘96 ST1100 also has a set of bungees even though it has bags and a Givi Maxia top case. When I picked the ST up in Boston, the cross-tied bungees held the stock saddle nicely on the back of the Corbin. Another time, a )B“clearance sale” router kit would not fit in the Givi but the bungees held it just dandy for the trip home. I)B’ve tried bungee nets but they only last a year, if that long. Their short life is likely because the bungee cord is so thin and the rubber is thus more vulnerable to the DC summer sun. The cross-tied bungees last several years, cost less than half the cost of a bungee net, and the variety of lengths make them more flexible. One more plus for the cross-tied bungees. When camping, I load sleeping bag, pad, and tent in a duffle (too big for the Teknic saddle bags). The Teknic bags ($75 at CAD) have a strap that go over the duffle diagonally. I add another big bungee over the duffle crossways to the strap. Finally, the cross-tied bungees provide handy and ready redundancy and back up to the primary strap and bungee (Didja understand and comprehend that? :^). This double system has worked well for years. Last January it held my gear safely during the 2000 mile jaunt down Baja. Some of the other geezers envied the ease with which I loaded and unloaded. Carl S. Custer Bethesda, MD Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '96 ST1100 (Stumped for a name) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 12:29:05 2005 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:37:25 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Carl Custer CC: DCCycles , SabMag Subject: Re: Back Packs for Motorcycles Carl Custer wrote: >Rider Magazine has an article on back packs for >motorcycles that was interesting until . . . >I saw the prices. =8^O > > > I agree that some of the prices are high. I'm not sure which backpacks you're talking about, but a big seller we've had lately are the axio hardpacks. They are really nice. They also just came out with a mini. They are very cool, but run between $95 and $145. Ouch! The price doesn't seem to deter anyone, though. Laura Roach www.speedwerks.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 13:03:39 2005 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:05:43 -0500 To: Carl Custer , DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Back Packs for Motorcycles At 09:24 AM 3/4/05 -0800, Carl Custer wrote: >Next tie another bungee cord (of appropriate length*) >to the first bungee smack dab in the middle of both (A >square knot Scouts, not a grannie knot). Alternatively, use a metal ring to connect two shorter cords. A set of bungies I found at Costco came with one like that. Their version had the bungies clamped around the ring at their midpoint, but that seems to be optional to me. >rails or the grab bars. The )B‘83 Interceptor has less >to hook on so the bungees)B’ loose ends are usually Most Harley dealers and at least a couple of aftermarket catalogs sell bungie nuts. They replace nuts on the bike, or go on the ends of bolts you can add anywhere you need one, and provide a place to hook bungie cords. They are chrome, round, have a flange to keep the hook from sliding off. One example is at: http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product?showCustom=0&Pr=p _Product.CATENTRY_ID%3A2004407&catalogId=10111&productId=2004407&langId=-1&t mplframe=EndecaCategoryView§ion=body&tmplhome=StoreCatalogDisplay&storeI d=10101&ss=10111 $5/pair for those. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 14:02:01 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:01:39 -0500 Have you ever dropped your phone while riding... Man that sucks. I've broke one phone that way and lost another.. found it ran over. Oh and while we're on the topic... Anyone have a sprint phone they're not using and want to sell? My phone kicked the bucket.. and I gave my back up phone to my brother in law. Doh! - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 15:40:27 2005 Subject: RE: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:40:21 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Have you ever dropped your phone while riding... Man that sucks. I forgot to zip all 12 pockets on my First Gear Scout and of course the one pocket left open had my Erickson Sprint phone. While riding on the Inner Loop I heard a clunk as the phone hit the gas tank and bounced onto the pavement. I turned around to see a Mayflower moving van hit it with every wheel but the spare :) Since I was in the far right lane, the phone got ejected into the breakdown lane. I stopped and walked back a quarter mile and found the battery, the phone was 20 yards further and the shredded leather case a few feet beyond that. I put the battery back in, turned it on and made a phone call. Of course, my current, smaller phone wouldn't do as well. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 16:54:04 2005 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:53:48 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Back Packs for Motorcycles To: Laura Roach , DCCycles --- Laura Replied: > I agree that some of the prices are high. I'm not > sure which backpacks > you're talking about, but a big seller we've had > lately are the axio > hardpacks. They are really nice. [Carl:] IIRC, those are designed to carry lap tops safely. > They are very cool, but run between $95 and $145. > Ouch! The price > doesn't seem to deter anyone, though. [Carl:] I claim to be parsimonious. My wife sez I'm cheap. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 17:04:00 2005 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:03:42 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Re: Back Packs for Motorcycles To: "Mike B." , DCCycles Mike offered, > Alternatively, use a metal ring to connect two > shorter cords. [Carl:] In my experience, a good square knot is superior to the ring. The square knot gives you more options as to color and length of bungees plus, the knot doesn't rust. But maybe that's just me. > Most Harley dealers and at least a couple of > aftermarket catalogs sell bungie nuts. > $5/pair for those. [Carl:] $5! That'd buy two more bungees and . . . you'd have money left over to buy a big bag of chips and a big bottle of Beck's. Umm, Beh-ekks Do you Yahoo after that first Friday beer? __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 17:09:32 2005 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Thompson Subject: RE: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was riding my GSXR to school once and lost my Motorola Star-Tac at about 55mph on Rt 29. I stopped, went back to get it, worked fine for two more years. It wasn't run over, thankfully. I lost the antenna, and the display was alittle fuzzy after the fall, but it always worked perfectly. Nick --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > Have you ever dropped your phone while riding... > Man that sucks. > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 17:17:53 2005 From: "Fred Grefe" To: "DCCycles" Subject: KZ650 service manual - free Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:17:42 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac0549fb11073be4ad33d5c0d3f7bcee3c9675bde8e835c838d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Cleaning my garage and found a '78-80 Kawasaki KZ650 service manual. Free to a good home. Shoot me an e-mail of you want it, otherwise it goes out with the trash on Tuesday. -Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 17:33:59 2005 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:35:17 -0500 To: DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Back Packs for Motorcycles At 02:03 PM 3/4/05 -0800, Carl Custer wrote: >Mike offered, >> Alternatively, use a metal ring to connect two >> shorter cords. > >[Carl:] In my experience, a good square knot is >superior to the ring. The square knot gives you more >options as to color and length of bungees plus, the >knot doesn't rust. But maybe that's just me. Use a stainless steel ring. Or a gold one. ;-) Color and length aren't affected by the ring deal, if you make the setup yourself. The bungee set I got did only have one set up that way though. >> $5/pair for those. > >[Carl:] $5! That'd buy two more bungees and . . . Yeah, but where would you hook them? If you already have enough locations you don't need the nuts. Some folks still have paint they don't want scratched up though. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 17:58:33 2005 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:58:30 -0500 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? After dropping my Motorola phone out of pockets/jacket/clip/tank bag more times than I like to think about (thankfully never while at speed), I got one of their rubber armored weatherproof versions. Since then I've never dropped it once... Robert On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:11 -0800 (PST), Nick Thompson wrote: > I was riding my GSXR to school once and lost my > Motorola Star-Tac at about 55mph on Rt 29. I stopped, > went back to get it, worked fine for two more years. > It wasn't run over, thankfully. I lost the antenna, > and the display was alittle fuzzy after the fall, but > it always worked perfectly. > > Nick > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 5 09:12:18 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:11:56 -0500 I thought I was cool.. i installed a cigarette lighter on my bike in the trunk.. I charged my phone often... sometimes in my pocket. One time I put my phone on charge and sat it on the back seat. I forgot about it and rode off. Got home and had a heart attack. I found the cord went into the wheels and got chewed. Went back and found the phone run over and pulverized. DOH. And for some reason in the car, I might take a call, hang up, and i don't put it in my pocket, but sit it on my lap. Of course it's time to get out the car and the phone falls every time. DOH. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 5 12:12:25 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speaking of backpacks for riding Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:12:16 -0500 I just saw this and thought it might work well for those who prefer to commute, etc. with a pack. This is a pretty elaborate courier-style bag and it's on sale for $20.00! http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=188819 Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 5 13:42:48 2005 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:42:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Speaking of backpacks for riding At 12:12 PM 3/5/2005, you wrote: >I just saw this and thought it might work well for those >who prefer to commute, etc. with a pack. This is a pretty >elaborate courier-style bag and it's on sale for $20.00! > >http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=188819 > >Perry ...thanks for the tip Perry. Personally, I think it looks a little girly girl ;-) think I'll stick to my saddle bags. -aki -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 5 19:13:06 2005 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:32:03 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Speaking of backpacks for riding On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Perry Coleman wrote: > I just saw this and thought it might work well for those who prefer to > commute, etc. with a pack. This is a pretty elaborate courier-style bag and > it's on sale for $20.00! Is anyone else like me and they don't like the idea of having something strapped to them in the unlikely (or likely in this area?) event of a get-off? Seems like a backpack would greatly increase the chance of a serious back injury. I use a tankbag or tailpack when I need to carry stuff (which is frequently). -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 5 20:07:29 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of backpacks for riding Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:07:21 -0500 Aki, I hear ya! Having factory saddlebags AND an add-on Givi trunk, not to mention a large, expandable tankbag and assorted duffels and bungies means never having to worry about wearing a backpack (at least while riding)... And then there's the FG Kilimanjaro with about 50 pockets! ;^) Perry >From: Aki Damme >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Speaking of backpacks for riding >Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:42:31 -0500 > >At 12:12 PM 3/5/2005, you wrote: > >>I just saw this and thought it might work well for those who prefer to >>commute, etc. with a pack. This is a pretty elaborate courier-style bag >>and it's on sale for $20.00! >> >>http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=188819 >> >>Perry > > >...thanks for the tip Perry. Personally, I think it looks a little girly >girl ;-) >think I'll stick to my saddle bags. > >-aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 6 00:46:39 2005 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:48:05 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Speaking of backpacks for riding At 07:32 PM 3/5/05 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >Is anyone else like me and they don't like the idea of having something >strapped to them in the unlikely (or likely in this area?) event of a >get-off? Seems like a backpack would greatly increase the chance of a >serious back injury. I've thought about that too. I'm not sure though whether it would help or harm. On the one hand you have it catching on something and yanking body parts in strange ways, or just adding extra mass to be stopped by impact on your body. On the other, if you happen to land on your back, it's extra padding and ablative material between your skin and the pavement. I'm not sure what percentage of the time it would do more harm than good, and I've never heard of any tests to try to determine that. I've decided not to go that route though, and if I ever do need to for some reason, to have a bag with weak attachment points. My theory is that the more weight I have up high, the worse the handling will be, so even if all else is equal, I'd rather have the load on the seat or sport rack out back then up on my back. >I use a tankbag or tailpack when I need to carry stuff (which is >frequently). I have a SAC bag that fits over the sissy bar pad and straps to the rear turn signal mounts or the sports rack. The bag goes behind the sissy bar if I have a passenger (sitting on the sports rack), or on the passenger seat if I don't (where it becomes a back rest ;-). I have a much larger one that works together with the little one for longer trips (only used it once so far, but it worked very well). They call them the SAC and Half SAC bags, and you can get them as a set if you like (I think it was about $110 for both). The half sac is big enough to carry a spare helmet in (even full face) with room to spare for smaller items, like towels, tools, phones, spare T-shirts or whatever. I got them at Patriot H-D's open house last June, but they also sell mail order: http://www.coolsac.com/Browse.aspx?grouping_sku=310-sissybarcat&category_cod e=LUGGAGE My only complaint was that they weren't as waterproof as one might like...they resisted for a bit, but then soaked through (it started raining at the Bay Bridge Tunnel toll plaza, and kept up all the way into southern Va. Beach). I had everything inside in trash bags, so no harm done, and the bags dried out overnight, so it wasn't a major disaster...and they do sell a waterproof rain cover with it's own external pockets to go over the SAC bags if you want one. As far as service goes, on the trip to Va. Beach last summer I managed to step on one of the plastic quick disconnect buckles and broke off the "ears" that lock it in place. The bag made the ride home just fine anyway (bungees), and I called them to order a replacement. They sent it free...said the bag comes with a lifetime guarantee...I pointed out that it didn't fail by defect, it failed from getting stepped on, and they said it didn't matter, no charge for the replacement part. Can't ask for better than that! They have some other things to sell as well, but I haven't tried any of them yet. One item is an air horn...some folks here were talking about that a few months back... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 6 21:25:09 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: District RedLight/Speed cameras map Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:24:36 -0500 The hard copy 3/4/05 freebie City Paper has an informative map showing District camera locations (and suggested avoidance routes). Page 17. (Web has story only, it seems.) Enjoy. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Next gizmo for me -- programmed speed adjustments when nearing cameras. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 6 21:35:12 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: A scoop on Ebay Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:35:00 -0500 Buying or selling on Ebay? A full page plus on current company business gyrations (fees, Paypal, directions, etc.) EBay's Joy Ride: Going Once ... http://www.nytimes.com/auth/login?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/06/busi ness/yourmoney/06ebay.html&OP=14b79bf8/}lZL}gNarINNEQ2B}Q2BFFS}Fq}Fw}LQ3ErxQ 22Zrr}RNQ3EIJNQ22ZR}FwZLKRQ3BPEJ8 (may require registration). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Every ride's a joy. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 09:14:59 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:14:40 EST Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map To: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Aren't they getting rid of them? Or is that only in Virginia? Scooter In a message dated 3/6/2005 9:25:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: The hard copy 3/4/05 freebie City Paper has an informative map showing District camera locations (and suggested avoidance routes). Page 17. (Web has story only, it seems.) Enjoy. Bill S. / DC (on digest) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 09:15:08 2005 From: Daniel To: "W.S." Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:14:44 -0500 I noticed the camera @ NY ave & 3rd street tunnel (or maybe the one before it) was gone... On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:24:36 -0500, "W.S." wrote: >The hard copy 3/4/05 freebie City Paper has an informative map showing >District camera locations (and suggested avoidance routes). Page 17. (Web >has story only, it seems.) > >Enjoy. > >Bill S. / DC (on digest) >'99 VN750 > Next gizmo for me -- programmed speed adjustments when nearing >cameras. >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 09:20:08 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:19:54 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: "ScooterFZR@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map Cc: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Only in Virginia. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:14:40 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Aren't they getting rid of them? Or is that only in Virginia? > > Scooter > > In a message dated 3/6/2005 9:25:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX > writes: > > The hard copy 3/4/05 freebie City Paper has an informative map showing > District camera locations (and suggested avoidance routes). Page 17. (Web > has story only, it seems.) > > Enjoy. > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 09:20:42 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:20:36 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: "ScooterFZR@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map Cc: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > Aren't they getting rid of them? Or is that only in Virginia? That would be Virginny. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 09:35:48 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:35:37 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Aren't they getting rid of them? Or is that only in >Virginia? > >Scooter [Dave] Nope. Only enlightened, civilized jurisdictions are getting rid of the traffic cameras. Bass-ackwards, podunk hick jurisdictions are retaining them... ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 10:23:12 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:22:55 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map To: DC-Cycles >I noticed the camera @ NY ave & 3rd street tunnel (or >maybe the one before it) was gone... [Dave] AAA is saying that DC is stacking cameras where there isn't such a public safety need for them at the expense of other intersections where there is a greater need. I wonder if that's having an effect. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 10:24:47 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:19:52 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? I had a nokia for a couple years, and that thing took more tumbles at speed that I can count, though everytime it was from sitting on the dashboard of the cage and flying out the passenger windwo as i made a left turn. I had a guy trying to sell me a phone one time. I asked how durable they were, he said, "very!" I tossed my phone about 10 feet in the air, let it hit the ground, picked it up and made a call. I asked if he would do that. he said, "no, not -that- durable." I used it until the display went intermittent. It wasn't the sexiest phone, but it took everything I threw at it (and it at) for almost three years. Daniel wrote: > > Have you ever dropped your phone while riding... Man that sucks. > I've broke one phone that way and lost another.. found it ran over. > > Oh and while we're on the topic... Anyone have a sprint phone > they're not using and want to sell? My phone kicked the bucket.. > and I gave my back up phone to my brother in law. Doh! > > - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 10:44:59 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:44:51 -0500 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:19:52 -0500, skip wrote: > I had a nokia for a couple years, and that thing took more tumbles at > speed that I can count, I had a Nextel Motorola non-flip model (SX85 I think) that bounced down the HOV lanes at about 70 mph and it just needed a new face plate. However I also had one of the Nextel "flip" i1000's that took one drop at the same speed and immediately exploded into god-knows-how-many pieces. My Nokia 3650 has taken two high-speed tumbles and shows no problems with those. I haven't tested my new Audiovox SMT-5600... yet. Can't find a good case for that one yet, so I'm guessing it won't be too happy with it. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 12:04:37 2005 Subject: must-read!!! Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:04:30 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , "DC Cycles" For a lot of reasons that are often contradictory, the sight and sound of a man and a motorcycle has an unpleasant effect on the vast majority of Americans who drive cars. At one point in the wake of the Hell's Angels uproar a reporter for the New York Herald Tribune did a long article on the motorcycle scene and decided in the course of his research that "there is something about the sight of a motorcyclist that tempts many automobile drivers to commit murder". Nearly everyone who has ridden a bike for any length of time will agree. The highways are crowded with people who drive as if every their sole purpose in getting behind the wheel is to avenge every wrong ever done them by man, beast or fate. The only thing that keeps them in line is their own fear of death, jail and lawsuits......which are much less likely if they can find a motorcycle to challenge, instead of another two-thousand pound car or a concrete abutment. A motorcyclist has to drive if everybody else on the road is out to kill him. A few of them are, and many of those who aren't just as dangerous- because the only thing that can alter their careless, ingrained driving habits is a threat of punishment either legal or physical, and there is nothing about a motorcycle to threaten any man in a car. A bike is totally vulnerable; its only defense is maneuverability, and every accident situation is potentially fatal-especially on a freeway, where there is no room to fall without being run over almost instantly. - Hunter S. Thompson "Hell's Angels" This is an absolutely stellar read....witness the great prose From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 12:36:24 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:36:12 EST Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Damn it. That sucks. :-( Not that I've ever gotten a red light runner, I just don't think they're fair. Scooter In a message dated 3/7/2005 9:20:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, amaurer@XXXXXX writes: Only in Virginia. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:14:40 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Aren't they getting rid of them? Or is that only in Virginia? > > Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 16:12:08 2005 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: must-read!!! Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:11:46 -0500 I ride often and mostly I meet admirers. I don't believe most drivers want to kill motorcyclists. I don't think it's inherent in the nature of man, and I don't think it's the fear of punishment keeping drivers from killing motorcyclists. Maybe it was just him that they wanted to kill.. and evidently he agreed with them. I doubt he was even lucid doing that. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:04:30 -0500, "Julian Halton" wrote: > >For a lot of reasons that are often contradictory, the sight and sound >of a man and a motorcycle has an unpleasant effect on the vast majority >of Americans who drive cars. At one point in the wake of the Hell's >Angels uproar a reporter for the New York Herald Tribune did a long >article on the motorcycle scene and decided in the course of his >research that "there is something about the sight of a motorcyclist that >tempts many automobile drivers to commit murder". > >Nearly everyone who has ridden a bike for any length of time will agree. >The highways are crowded with people who drive as if every their sole >purpose in getting behind the wheel is to avenge every wrong ever done >them by man, beast or fate. The only thing that keeps them in line is >their own fear of death, jail and lawsuits......which are much less >likely if they can find a motorcycle to challenge, instead of another >two-thousand pound car or a concrete abutment. A motorcyclist has to >drive if everybody else on the road is out to kill him. A few of them >are, and many of those who aren't just as dangerous- because the only >thing that can alter their careless, ingrained driving habits is a >threat of punishment either legal or physical, and there is nothing >about a motorcycle to threaten any man in a car. A bike is totally >vulnerable; its only defense is maneuverability, and every accident >situation is potentially fatal-especially on a freeway, where there is >no room to fall without being run over almost instantly. > >- Hunter S. Thompson >"Hell's Angels" > >This is an absolutely stellar read....witness the great prose > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 16:43:59 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:43:41 EST Subject: Re: must-read!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I ride often and mostly I meet admirers. I don't believe most > drivers want to kill motorcyclists. Most do not. What do you suppose the ratio is? One in a hundred? One in a thousand? A hundred thousand? Ride enough miles and you _will_ encounter just the driver described. How long does it take to encounter a hundred thousand drivers? If one driver in five hundred thousand is a homicidal maniac and you ride a couple of hundred thousand miles you will cross paths with one at some time in some place. The point is to be aware that not everyone out there is sane and benevolent. Never _ever_ assume that the cage driver you are "dueling" with is not in fact trying to kill you. And then there are the drunks... John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 18:47:17 2005 From: Daniel To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: must-read!!! Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:46:48 -0500 I hear what you're saying. I assume any car will enter my path at any given moment and I ride accordingly. As far as dueling.. either I'm going to fast for anything to last a few seconds until poof i'm gone, OR I'm completely yeilding to all who surround me. You want to enter the road way, you want to change lanes.. sure buddy come on over. Even give you a wave to direct you to go ahead. I've encountered a few idiots who were pissed off, even dangerous, mostly at other riders around me.. but that's a far cry from drivers having an unwarranted desire to kill us riders. On the other hand, that guy was a hells angel or something i guess? Maybe they do want to kill them.. what do they have the reputation of rapists killers and drug dealers? stuff like that.. I guess people would feel that way about _them_. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:43:41 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >> I ride often and mostly I meet admirers. I don't believe most >> drivers want to kill motorcyclists. > >Most do not. >What do you suppose the ratio is? One in a hundred? One in a thousand? A >hundred thousand? Ride enough miles and you _will_ encounter just the driver >described. How long does it take to encounter a hundred thousand drivers? If one >driver in five hundred thousand is a homicidal maniac and you ride a couple of >hundred thousand miles you will cross paths with one at some time in some >place. The point is to be aware that not everyone out there is sane and benevolent. >Never _ever_ assume that the cage driver you are "dueling" with is not in >fact trying to kill you. >And then there are the drunks... > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > >1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 20:03:15 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Emergency cellphone dialing Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:03:04 -0500 Just happened to stumble across what seems to be an authoritative blog comment on the subject (my cell is always with me on the bike, for emergencies). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > No solo emergencies yet, knock wood. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. *************** (The first part is setup: The best is below the "snip") Did you know that you are able to dial 911 even when the keypad is locked? And I'm not talking about the advanced pass-code locking. Using the basic method of holding down the End key to lock your handset. Why is this a big deal, you may be asking. I'll tell you. My daughter, who is almost 3 years old, took my cellphone out of my coat pocket the other night and was pretending to call her friends. I just happened to notice the screen had 911 plastered at the top of it. Acting quickly, I was able to prevent another accidental 911 call by my daughter. So be careful of your handset, even if you've locked the keys. The emergency workers are busy enough. I wouldn't mind seeing this feature turned off. I really don't like the idea of any keys working while the handset is locked. However, I do understand why it is designed this way. . . . snip [new author] Ah, the beauty of emergency dialing. I actually owned this screen for Smartphone, so I can provide some insight. This is a GSM Association requirement. From the SIM lock screen you must be able to dial any of the emergency number codes associated with the handset. On Smartphone the default numbers are 911 (US/Canada), 112 (Most of europe), and 08 (Mexico). This list can be configured through SIM card. The relevant specification is 02.30 , section 4.4.2.2 and Annex A. The screen you have above though isn't SIM lock, it's keyguard. So why does this work there? We went with the spirit of the regulation and made keyguard and device lock also allow emergency dialing. Another interesting aspect to this is we don't actually send the number you dialed to the network. Instead we say "oh, you dialed an emergency number" and send a special command to the network that says "emergency call coming through!". This means you can dial ANY of the supported emergency numbers and you'll reach emergency services. You can actually give this a try (heh) by dialing 08 and pressing send. You'll get 911. Yet another factoid about this: in the U.K. mobile operators are not actually required to connect you to emergency services if you aren't one of their customers. The mobile operators actually pay a hefty fee for each emergency call (on the order of $40 I think!), so there are actually some operators that don't let the calls go through if you're roaming on their network. _________________ [name snipped] Program Manager Microsoft Visual Studio for Devices [Full transcript at http://www.smartphonethoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=51242] *********** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 00:08:50 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:54:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Western Counties (Prince William, Loudoun, Fauquier) Update I took a "clear my head" ride today for a couple of hundred miles. Throughout the solo ride, I hit Nokesville, Warrenton, FR, Middleburg, etc. Many of the roads were left in excellent condition this Winter, with a few exceptions. The road that runs from 55 to Middleburg (changes names several times, called Halfway at one point) has several large patches of road acne. The scarring is so severe, I'm afraid this road may never get a prom date. In addition, the "screw up your line" debris is a combination of sand, crushed stone and tons of gathered salt. Mostly in the corners of course. I'd give it a pucker factor of 3 out of 5. Traditional roads like 55 and 50 were in excellent and clean shape for the most part. 55 was cleaner in towards Haymarket than in Front Royal, but not bad shape overall. Shortcut roads such as Beverlys Mill and Dumfries were in very good shape, except in the sweeping downhill portions. My thermometer reads 64, and I am happy to be free to ride today. I broke a sweat in my full Winter gear (duh!) and I crushed more than a few bugs on my visor. Looking forward to the coming of Spring and its road cleaning rains in April. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 07:43:35 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Western Counties (Prince William, Loudoun, Fauquier) Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > I took a "clear my head" ride today for a couple of > hundred > miles. Throughout the solo ride, I hit Nokesville, > Warrenton, FR, > Middleburg, etc. Many of the roads were left in > excellent condition this > Winter, with a few exceptions. The road that runs > from 55 to Middleburg > (changes names several times, called Halfway at one > point) I think you are referring to the "The Plains Road" Glenn __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 08:11:49 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:11:38 EST Subject: Re: must-read!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/7/2005 6:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, daniel.dc@XXXXXX writes: > On the other hand, > that guy was a hells angel or something i guess? Maybe they do want to > kill them.. what do they have the reputation of rapists killers and > drug dealers? stuff like that. During the height of the movie fueled "bad biker" insanity a friend of mine pulled up behind a car, the guy in the car saw the bike behind him stopped, rolled up his windows, and laid down on the seat, clearly terrified. My friend rode past, and later came up behind him again, and the guy did it again! My friend was a teenager out delivering newspapers on a _90cc_ bike. These morons cannot tell the difference between the reality of bikers (as opposed to the bullshit movie versions.) much less tell the difference between a kid on a Honda 90 and a Hells Angel. Point? As far as these people are concerned _you_are_ a Hells Angel and deserve to die. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 08:56:33 2005 Subject: Excerpt Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:56:31 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , I just quoted that to show his writing style. I wan't trying to imply I agree with everything he writes. Here is a paragraph that I will read and keep in mind... " One night in the winter of 1965 I took my own bike- and a passenger over the high side on a rain-slick road just north of Oakland. I went into an obviously dangerous curve at about seventy, the top of my second gear. The wet road prevented leaning it over enough to compensate for the inertia, and somewhere in the middle of the curve I realized that the rear wheel was no longer following the front one. The bike was going sideways towards a bank of railroad tracks and there was nothing I could do except hang on. For an instant it was very peaceful.... And then it was like being shot of the road by a bazooka, but with no noise. Neither a deer on the hillside nor a man on the battlefield hears the shot that kills him, and a man going over the high side of a motorcycle hears the same kind of high-speed silence. There are sparks, as the chromed steel grinds down on the road, an awful jerk when your body starts cartwheeling on the first impact..and after that if you're lucky, there is nothing at all until you wake up in some hospita; emergency ward with your scalp hanging down in your eyes and a blood-soaked shirt sticking to your chest while official looking people stare down at you and assure each other that "these crazy bastards won't learn". This is a stellar work of non-fiction and I like Thompson's way with words.. I recommend this to everyone From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 09:10:28 2005 From: Daniel To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: must-read!!! Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:10:18 -0500 LOL that's hilarious... I ride a sportbike. they probably would mistake me for "biker boys" type of stuff.. vs hells angels. Probably why I do'nt get the same reaction. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:11:38 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 3/7/2005 6:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, >daniel.dc@XXXXXX writes: > >> On the other hand, >> that guy was a hells angel or something i guess? Maybe they do want to >> kill them.. what do they have the reputation of rapists killers and >> drug dealers? stuff like that. > >During the height of the movie fueled "bad biker" insanity a friend of mine >pulled up behind a car, the guy in the car saw the bike behind him stopped, >rolled up his windows, and laid down on the seat, clearly terrified. My friend >rode past, and later came up behind him again, and the guy did it again! > My friend was a teenager out delivering newspapers on a _90cc_ bike. > >These morons cannot tell the difference between the reality of bikers (as >opposed to the bullshit movie versions.) much less tell the difference between a >kid on a Honda 90 and a Hells Angel. >Point? >As far as these people are concerned _you_are_ a Hells Angel and deserve to >die. > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > >1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 09:16:12 2005 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: , Subject: Re: Excerpt Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:15:59 -0500 Doesn't do much for me.. but to each their own. There are new allegations that he didn't kill himself, that his family did. The gun's chamber was empty yet there was ammo in the clip. The sheriffs reported hearing multiple shots, and the son claimed he was just firing off a few salutes. The son was allowed to go in and place a hankerchief or something over the man, alone with the body. The wife was reported to sit around and drink a brandy in the presence fo hte body instead of calling the police. Those are some weird actions to have going on by family members if the man just shot himself. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:56:31 -0500, "Julian Halton" wrote: > >I just quoted that to show his writing style. I wan't trying to imply I >agree with everything he writes. Here is a paragraph that I will read >and keep in mind... > >" One night in the winter of 1965 I took my own bike- and a passenger >over the high side on a rain-slick road just north of Oakland. I went >into an obviously dangerous curve at about seventy, the top of my second >gear. The wet road prevented leaning it over enough to compensate for >the inertia, and somewhere in the middle of the curve I realized that >the rear wheel was no longer following the front one. The bike was >going sideways towards a bank of railroad tracks and there was nothing I >could do except hang on. For an instant it was very peaceful.... >And then it was like being shot of the road by a bazooka, but with no >noise. Neither a deer on the hillside nor a man on the battlefield >hears the shot that kills him, and a man going over the high side of a >motorcycle hears the same kind of high-speed silence. There are sparks, >as the chromed steel grinds down on the road, an awful jerk when your >body starts cartwheeling on the first impact..and after that if you're >lucky, there is nothing at all until you wake up in some hospita; >emergency ward with your scalp hanging down in your eyes and a >blood-soaked shirt sticking to your chest while official looking people >stare down at you and assure each other that "these crazy bastards won't >learn". > > >This is a stellar work of non-fiction and I like Thompson's way with >words.. I recommend this to everyone From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 11:01:48 2005 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:02:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Reading optional (was: Re: must-read!!!) At 08:11 AM 3/8/05 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >As far as these people are concerned _you_are_ a Hells Angel and deserve to >die. Luckily the tinfoil hats interfere with their aim in most cases... There have always been a certain percentage of nutcases in every population. As ours has risen (are we at 10 billion yet?) the actual numbers have gone up, but the percentage is probably the same or maybe a bit lower (good drugs these days). In the past the nutcases sometimes managed to stampede the majority of the population into joining them (the Crusades, the witch burnings, the holocaust, etc.) but the tendency for that seems to have reduced a bit, at least in the more "developed" countries like ours. Apathy rules! Since it doesn't matter if you are run over by a nutcase on a mission or a careless cell phone yappers, you are just as flat, it makes sense to be a little paranoid of all drivers and take proper precautions. Stay out of "blind spots", don't tailgate, don't pass stupidly/aggressively, signal as the law requires, don't push the yellow into the red (there may be some guy approaching in a cage who's anticipating the green and not slowing at all...I've seen one accident based on this personally), and don't assume that green means that cross traffic is stopped (people do run reds on occasion), don't ride to the limits of you and your bike's ability on the public roads, save some for emergencies, and generally keep in mind that you are a prairie dog wandering around in a herd of bison...you are faster and more maneuverable, but if one of them falls over, or missteps when you aren't paying enough attention to dodge, you are history and they'll almost certainly not be harmed in the process. Getting hurt by malice probably happens sometimes, but getting hurt by carelessness is a lot more common and the cure is pretty much the same in both cases: ride as much as you can so they can't hurt you even if they try and support the AMA's attempts to get some teeth put into the laws so that drivers who are careless pay serious penalties rather than the current wrist slaps for killing people. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 18:57:17 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:57:05 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: must-read!!! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > These morons cannot tell the difference between the reality of bikers (as > opposed to the bullshit movie versions.) much less tell the difference between a > kid on a Honda 90 and a Hells Angel. How about a Hell's Angel on a Honda 90? You can never be too careful Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 9 21:11:55 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: must-read!!! Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:12:57 -0500 Yeah I don't know where people get the idea bikers are violent. Have you seen American chopper with the father that is a huge f'ing dude, and is always talking about how he is going to put in a foot in someones ass. Maybe it's comedy to me and you, but you could definetly twist Paul Sr. into a violent guy just by watching his show. I blame the cruiser industry cause you always meet the nicest ppl on a honda. :-D Rob "Honda VFR" Sharp On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:11:38 EST, PenguinBiker wrote > In a message dated 3/7/2005 6:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > daniel.dc@XXXXXX writes: > > > On the other hand, > > that guy was a hells angel or something i guess? Maybe they do want to > > kill them.. what do they have the reputation of rapists killers and > > drug dealers? stuff like that. > > During the height of the movie fueled "bad biker" insanity a friend > of mine pulled up behind a car, the guy in the car saw the bike > behind him stopped, rolled up his windows, and laid down on the seat, > clearly terrified. My friend rode past, and later came up behind > him again, and the guy did it again! My friend was a teenager out > delivering newspapers on a _90cc_ bike. > > These morons cannot tell the difference between the reality of > bikers (as opposed to the bullshit movie versions.) much less tell > the difference between a kid on a Honda 90 and a Hells Angel. Point? > As far as these people are concerned _you_are_ a Hells Angel and > deserve to die. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > > 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 10 00:42:14 2005 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:41:39 -0500 To: "Rob Sharp" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: must-read!!! At 09:12 PM 3/9/05 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >Yeah I don't know where people get the idea bikers are violent. Have you seen >American chopper with the father that is a huge f'ing dude, and is always >talking about how he is going to put in a foot in someones ass. It's not bikers there, it's welders...or maybe fathers. Yeah, probably fathers. My dad couldn't weld, but I heard a lot of the same things from him that Paul Sr. says. "If you drop that, you better drop with it!", "Get it in gear before I put a boot where it will do some good!" Bill Cosby talks about his dad being very much the same: "I brought you into this world, I'll take you out!" Yeah, it's dads that are violent. Avoid them if you can! Maybe they should all just be locked up for the general good? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 10 08:13:22 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:13:03 EST Subject: Re: must-read!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/10/2005 7:02:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah I don't know where people get the idea bikers are violent. Makes me want to kick their asses! > I blame the cruiser industry cause you always meet the nicest ppl on a honda. > :-D I know whatcha mean, I am _way_ to nice for my own F#%*ing good. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 10 09:15:30 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:15:18 EST Subject: Re: must-read!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Favorite Bill Cosby line. "For years I thought my name was Jesus Chris and my brother's was Damnit. My father would always say, 'Jesus Christ what do you think you're doing? Damnit get over here.' One day I was outside playing in the rain and my father said, 'Damnit get your butt in here outta the rain.' and I said 'But dad, I'm Jesus Christ.' I don't remember much after that." lol Scooter (aka Damnit ;-) ) In a message dated 3/10/2005 12:42:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: >Yeah I don't know where people get the idea bikers are violent. Have you seen >American chopper with the father that is a huge f'ing dude, and is always >talking about how he is going to put in a foot in someones ass. It's not bikers there, it's welders...or maybe fathers. Yeah, probably fathers. My dad couldn't weld, but I heard a lot of the same things from him that Paul Sr. says. "If you drop that, you better drop with it!", "Get it in gear before I put a boot where it will do some good!" Bill Cosby talks about his dad being very much the same: "I brought you into this world, I'll take you out!" Yeah, it's dads that are violent. Avoid them if you can! Maybe they should all just be locked up for the general good? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 12 14:32:32 2005 From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AMA Superbike Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:32:16 -0500 I am sure somebody recorded the AMA Superbike race on Saturday. I made a mistake programming the VCR. Can I borrow it from somebody near the Reston/Herndon area? --Altaan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 13 20:34:36 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bikers in High Places Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:34:18 -0500 A short profile by David Jones, President and CEO RayOVac, with biking comments, including a stage appearance. Motivation on Two Wheels http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/business/yourmoney/13boss.html? (may require registration). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Want to be in the movies. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 14 07:46:25 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:53 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Cc: Subject: Reevu MX1 Helmet Has anyone used one of these? View from inside helmet - http://www.reevu.com/images/fr.jpg Pic of helmet - http://www.reevu.com/images/motorbikehelmet_whitelarge.jpg -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 14 09:31:30 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:31:13 EST Subject: Re: Reevu MX1 Helmet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've been e-mailing them for the past year or so trying to find out when it was going to be available to buy. I keep getting the same response of thanks for your interest, we will keep you posted. Still nothing. Scooter In a message dated 3/14/2005 7:46:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: Has anyone used one of these? View from inside helmet - http://www.reevu.com/images/fr.jpg Pic of helmet - http://www.reevu.com/images/motorbikehelmet_whitelarge.jpg -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 14 11:52:11 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:51:56 -0500 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Fwd: Reevu MX1 helmet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thought ya'll might be interested in this. My latest discussion with the Reevu folks. I will probably buy one when they become available and then I'll give my critique. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Nicola Howard To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reevu MX1 helmet Hi Scott, )B  It will probably be after September when we get distribution in the USA because of the increasing demand in Europe. The online solution for the US should be up and running in the next couple of months and I have you on the mailing list for this. We will be mailing everyone on this list when it becomes available. We are hoping the price should be no more than $400 )B  Nicola ----- Original Message ----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: nicola.howard@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reevu MX1 helmet Hi Nicola, )B  I live in Washington, DC in the States.)B  I have no problem buying online.)B  Just wanted to know when they were available.  :-) )B  Scott )B  In a message dated 3/14/2005 9:49:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, nicola.howard@XXXXXX writes: Hi Scott, please can you advise where in the world you are so I can tell you when and where the helmets will be available near you. )B  Nicola ----- Original Message ----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: presales@XXXXXX Subject: Reevu MX1 helmet Hi, )B  I've been e-mailing you for the past year or so about this helmet.)B  Still interested in when it is going to be available for purchase and how much you are going to be charging? )B  Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 14 13:01:51 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:01:37 -0500 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: American Super Camp To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, since I didn't get into the April camp in Harrington, DE, I just signed up for the October 21-22 dates. They just recently posted them on their site so, I better be able to get into this one. ;-) Any other takers? www.americansupercamp.com Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 14 15:19:47 2005 Subject: Accident on I-66 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:19:48 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" I was driving eastbound on I-66 this past Saturday at 3:00 pm when I saw a silver sportbike down in the median at the Nutley exit. The fire and rescue crews were attending to the rider but I didn't see any other vehicles involved. Does anyone know the rider and how they are doing? Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 13:01:22 2005 Subject: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:01:19 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Any tips on the best way to keep Sidi Vertebrae boots from not smelling bad..... after a few hours, my one year old pair interacts with stocking feet in a less than pleasant way. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 13:39:40 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:39:32 -0500 To: From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad At 01:01 PM 3/15/05 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >Any tips on the best way to keep Sidi Vertebrae boots from not smelling >bad..... Don't wear them? ;-) >after a few hours, my one year old pair interacts with stocking feet in >a less than pleasant way. Sounds like they are supporting a healthy bacterial ecology. There are shoe sprays that are supposed to help reduce that sort of thing. Bowling alleys use that stuff on the rental shoes. If you aren't allergic to it, that might help. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 13:47:42 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:47:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad To: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I saw this on tv and it was in reference to everyday shoes, but you can leave those laundry drier softner sheets (not the liquid)inside your shoes overnight and it will remove the smell. I haven't tried it yet (I normally use liquid fabric softners), but plan to for my normally stinky shoes.... Ryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 13:59:42 2005 Subject: RE: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:59:40 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Ryan Santoso" , "Mike B." , The problem with all those sprays and fabric softeners et al..is these things mask the current smell by attempting to overpower it with a stronger and better smell. In my experience this is a recipe for caustic disaster. I am curious about perhaps using bleach to restore the boots to a neutral state. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Santoso [mailto:santosor2001@XXXXXX] To: Mike B.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad I saw this on tv and it was in reference to everyday shoes, but you can leave those laundry drier softner sheets (not the liquid)inside your shoes overnight and it will remove the smell. I haven't tried it yet (I normally use liquid fabric softners), but plan to for my normally stinky shoes.... Ryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 14:05:52 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:05:39 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Do you have something against odor eaters? > > The problem with all those sprays and fabric softeners et al..is these >things mask the current smell by attempting to overpower it with a >stronger and better smell. In my experience this is a recipe for >caustic disaster. I am curious about perhaps using bleach to restore >the boots to a neutral state. > > >-----Original Message----- > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 15:55:09 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:55:02 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: watch your wallets on 95 / PWC To: DCCycles A new revenue enhancement zone has been created... The Virginia Department of Transportation announced Tuesday that an eleven mile stretch of I-95 from the bridge over the Occoquan River to Route 619 will be designated as a Highway Safety Corridor starting on Friday, March 18th. This means drivers face fines of up to $500 for speeding and up to $2500 for criminal offenses, such as reckless driving or driving under the influence. The Virginia Department of Transportation and the Department of Motor Vehicles are using federal safety grant money to raise awareness of the corridor. A section of interstate can be deemed a Highway Safety Corridor after a traffic engineering study and a public comment period. Don't the feds have better things to spend money on? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 20:35:55 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:35:40 EST Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/15/2005 1:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > I am curious about perhaps using bleach to restore > the boots to a neutral state. Try baking soda then, cheap, and non caustic, hell you could eat it. Bleach is damn caustic. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 21:30:55 2005 From: Daniel To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:30:44 -0500 I usually let smelly footwear sit outside.. when I come back to them, they are fine.. of course it's always a while because i forget about them and wear something else. On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:35:40 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 3/15/2005 1:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, >julian@XXXXXX writes: > >> I am curious about perhaps using bleach to restore >> the boots to a neutral state. > >Try baking soda then, cheap, and non caustic, hell you could eat it. Bleach >is damn caustic. > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 21:37:08 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:36:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad At 09:30 PM 3/15/2005, Daniel wrote: >I usually let smelly footwear sit outside.. when I come >back to them, >they are fine.. of course it's always a while because i >forget about >them and wear something else. how about Fabreeze? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 21:46:22 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:46:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Calvin Ledford Subject: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... X-vsuite-type: e Well, I've reached the end - after putting 13k on my new truck (just purchased in August) the commute on 66 into DC has just become unbearable - if the distance from Gainesville wasn't bad enough the typical 4+ hour commute (up from a little over 3 when I started 9 months ago) has pushed me over the edge )B– enough so that the here-to-forbabied/coddled/never-taken-out-of-the-garage-on-anything-but-a-beautiful-weekend-romp Viffer is now going to be pressed into service as a daily commuter - starting Monday - hopefully. I'd really like the advice of other commuters in the local area on the best gear to invest in - especially for the cold weather that is still around. I'm seriously looking at the Aerostitch Darien - but would like the best electric solution and I)B’m not sure )B‘Stitch provides it. Any and all advice would be much appreciated. As far as hauling gear )B– I’m going with the Ventura luggage system I bought a few years back )B– it doesn’t look too cool – but gets the job done. Any advice on waterproof bags for laptops would be much appreciated as well. Finally, (knowing this is going to piss some listers off) I)B’m interested in audio solutions. I)B’m thinking a small XM receiver as I)B’ve got XM in the truck and enjoy it – any comments on what works for you? Any tips of any sort in doing the all-weather commute would be invaluable please feel free to dump them on me! Also, since I'm a digest member I'd appreciate it if you could CC me directly with any replies )B– I can be reached at cledford@XXXXXX Thanks, -Calvin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 22:10:49 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:10:36 -0500 From: smthng else To: cledford@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Viffer is now going to be pressed into service as a daily > commuter - starting Monday - hopefully. Good for you! Shame you picked this time of year though... it be cold right now and I swear that all the weather-people are on crack (I think I cut one of them off without realizing and now they're all lying in order to screw up my ride). > I'd really like the advice of other commuters in the local area > on the best gear to invest in - especially for the cold weather > that is still around. I'm seriously looking at the Aerostitch > Darien - but would like the best electric solution and I'm not > sure 'Stitch provides it. Any and all advice would be much > appreciated. That'll be a nice hunk of change. I manage with my $300 Fieldsheer Zero Condition jacket and pants and maybe a fleece when it's really bad. My heated grips are a neccessity, but heated gloves would have been better (probably cheaper too - I'm a doofus). If I was really spoiled, I'd add a pair of heated socks. The rest of me is okay. (Okay, if I was spoiled AND filthy rich, I'd think about adding a vest too). A good rule of thumb... the more layers you have, the more use you'll get out of them. Basically, a good suit (or jacket and pant combo, whatever) with removable liners and vent opening can do three seasons. Add a couple layers and it can do four. Might not hurt to have other options for extremely hot or cold days though... I have plenty of "mesh" for summer, but am still working on the whole hand and feet thing for winter. I will admit that Aerostich Triple Digit covers are the most useful item I've ever bought in the way of bike clothing. Go look em up... goofy, but they're awesome against cold and/or wet. > As far as hauling gear )B– I'm going with the Ventura luggage > system I bought a few years back )B– it doesn't look too cool – > but gets the job done. Any advice on waterproof bags for > laptops would be much appreciated as well. The only thing I'd totally trust a laptop in is a Givi. They aren't quite as ugly as they used to be. Mine did two days (riding, not just sitting) in last year's hurricane with a laptop in it... not a drop of water in there. > Any tips of any sort in doing the all-weather commute would be > invaluable please feel free to dump them on me! Leave at least half an hour before you need to. I know this what everyone says and no one ever does, but I actually enjoy my morning commute if I'm not being rushed. Ain't that what biking is all about? :) Also, know when to give in... If it's 30 degrees and raining and you don't have the kind of gear that can keep you happy in that, call it quits and take the truck. If you're so miserable that you're not thinking about the surroundings, it won't take long for a cager to remind you. Good luck, have fun and watch out for all the idiots. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 22:45:39 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:45:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:30 PM 3/15/2005, Daniel wrote: > >> I usually let smelly footwear sit outside.. when I come back to them, >> they are fine.. of course it's always a while because i forget about >> them and wear something else. > > > > how about Fabreeze? > > -aki > > > I heard that putting a little bit of kitty litter in your boots does wonders for removing odors. But it only works if you don't have cats. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 23:01:16 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:01:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad At 10:45 PM 3/15/2005, Dale Horstman wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: > >>At 09:30 PM 3/15/2005, Daniel wrote: >> >>>I usually let smelly footwear sit outside.. when I come >>>back to them, >>>they are fine.. of course it's always a while because i >>>forget about >>>them and wear something else. >> >> >> >>how about Fabreeze? >> >>-aki >> >> >I heard that putting a little bit of kitty litter in your >boots does >wonders for removing odors. But it only works if you >don't have cats. :) > >Hork use a nylon stocking and stuff it with cedar chips... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 01:29:28 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:29:15 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/15/05 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Do you have something against odor eaters? [JK] Exactly what I was thinking! I had those badboyz in my Sidi's for 4 years (maybe two different pairs of them) and they never smelled badly. YMMV, of course :) JK John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 06:36:21 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Calvin Ledford wrote: > Finally, (knowing this is going to piss some listers off) > I)B’m > interested in audio solutions. I)B’m thinking a small XM > receiver > as I)B’ve got XM in the truck and enjoy it – any comments > on what > works for you? etymotic headphones. picked up a set on ebay. worth every penny. i haven't gone to satellite radio because its reliability in the mountains to me is an unknown.... -- tg Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 07:52:07 2005 Subject: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:51:59 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , Cc: My biggest problem is on days below 28 degrees. I don't use heated gear...At temps below 28 degrees, after a short time my hands and feet start to go...any place the wind can get into, it will but with a nice swaeter and vest and everything zipped up the core is alright. For me it is all about the hands, I have tried at least five or six pairs of gloves including cold weather stuff and after twenty minutes or so, riding is no longer enjoyable and I become distracted. -----Original Message----- From: smthng else [mailto:smthngelse@XXXXXX] To: cledford@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... > Viffer is now going to be pressed into service as a daily commuter - > starting Monday - hopefully. Good for you! Shame you picked this time of year though... it be cold right now and I swear that all the weather-people are on crack (I think I cut one of them off without realizing and now they're all lying in order to screw up my ride). > I'd really like the advice of other commuters in the local area on the > best gear to invest in - especially for the cold weather that is still > around. I'm seriously looking at the Aerostitch Darien - but would > like the best electric solution and I'm not sure 'Stitch provides it. > Any and all advice would be much appreciated. That'll be a nice hunk of change. I manage with my $300 Fieldsheer Zero Condition jacket and pants and maybe a fleece when it's really bad. My heated grips are a neccessity, but heated gloves would have been better (probably cheaper too - I'm a doofus). If I was really spoiled, I'd add a pair of heated socks. The rest of me is okay. (Okay, if I was spoiled AND filthy rich, I'd think about adding a vest too). A good rule of thumb... the more layers you have, the more use you'll get out of them. Basically, a good suit (or jacket and pant combo, whatever) with removable liners and vent opening can do three seasons. Add a couple layers and it can do four. Might not hurt to have other options for extremely hot or cold days though... I have plenty of "mesh" for summer, but am still working on the whole hand and feet thing for winter. I will admit that Aerostich Triple Digit covers are the most useful item I've ever bought in the way of bike clothing. Go look em up... goofy, but they're awesome against cold and/or wet. > As far as hauling gear - I'm going with the Ventura luggage system I > bought a few years back - it doesn't look too cool - but gets the job > done. Any advice on waterproof bags for laptops would be much > appreciated as well. The only thing I'd totally trust a laptop in is a Givi. They aren't quite as ugly as they used to be. Mine did two days (riding, not just sitting) in last year's hurricane with a laptop in it... not a drop of water in there. > Any tips of any sort in doing the all-weather commute would be > invaluable please feel free to dump them on me! Leave at least half an hour before you need to. I know this what everyone says and no one ever does, but I actually enjoy my morning commute if I'm not being rushed. Ain't that what biking is all about? :) Also, know when to give in... If it's 30 degrees and raining and you don't have the kind of gear that can keep you happy in that, call it quits and take the truck. If you're so miserable that you're not thinking about the surroundings, it won't take long for a cager to remind you. Good luck, have fun and watch out for all the idiots. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 08:28:53 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:28:42 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i haven't gone to satellite radio because its > reliability > in the mountains to me is an unknown.... > I will be testing this soon as I just picked up a Sirius satellite receiver. Glenn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 08:34:50 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:52:21 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > i haven't gone to satellite radio because its > > reliability > > in the mountains to me is an unknown.... > > > > I will be testing this soon as I just picked up a > Sirius satellite receiver. I have an XM MyFi. I haven't used it on my bike, but I have used it extensively with the personal antenna (which would be appropriate for a bike) and it works great. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 08:48:20 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:48:06 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: cledford@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute ( long reply ) Calvin Ledford wrote: > Gainesville wasn't bad >enough the typical 4+ hour commute (up from a little over 3 when >I started 9 months ago) has pushed me over the edge )B– enough so > > 4 hours!? wow. >I'd really like the advice of other commuters in the local area >on the best gear to invest in - especially for the cold weather >that is still around. I'm seriously looking at the Aerostitch >Darien - but would like the best electric solution and I)B’m not >sure )B‘Stitch provides it. Any and all advice would be much >appreciated. > > I'm a big cold pussy - but I ride. Tupperware is the best thing to have ( more below ). Aerostictch's stuff is very good, but also give FirstGear a try. FirstGear's Kilimanjaro jacket paired with thier HT over pants will work well. Along with Widder's electrics it'll make a warm setup. You may find the vest to be only thing you need, I've read that the body when cold will stop moving blood to extremites to preserve the core. So if you keep your torso warm your arms and legs should get warm blood. This has worked for me. But, I have to say after *trying* to do close to all year on my old VTR - the best thing you can have is more tupperware - fairing that is. I now ride a ST1300, and on 45 degree days I don't need the 'lectrics, or pants - plastics rule! IIRC the VFR's fairing is rather good, but look into a taller windscreen. It'll help keep the cold air off of you. You may want to consider a balaclava also. Stuff I have A Kilimanjaro like jacket, mine is made by Reima - a Finish company that mainly makes snowmobile stuff. http://www.reima.fi/en/index.html I got it here http://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/ FirstGear HT overpants Wool socks ( i could use better boots ) Heated hand grips! <--- The non-OEM ones are about $30 bucks (sorry smthng :). They go under the grips have two settings - and high is hot as hell - I can use my medium weight gloves. An example here http://www.casporttouring.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=dual_star_e Stuff I might consider: Corbin and others make headed seats - as with anything some say it works wonders others say they could do without. There are DIY kits for heated seats, one is here http://www.heatedseatkits.com/products.html Insulated boots. Feel free to ask me anything else. Good luck, Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 09:05:02 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:04:47 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've got an XM Roadie that I've used on the bike from here to PA. It works pretty good. I use it in my car all the time on that trip. I only lose the signal a couple times in the mountains but, only for a few seconds. Aside from that, I LOVE it. Scooter In a message dated 3/16/2005 8:28:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i haven't gone to satellite radio because its > reliability > in the mountains to me is an unknown.... > I will be testing this soon as I just picked up a Sirius satellite receiver. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 09:15:57 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:15:36 -0500 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Axio Swift Hardpack FS --- WAS: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Speaking of carrying a laptop on a bike. I bought an Axio Swift Hardpack (http://www.axio-usa.com/) a few months ago when I thought I was going to be doing more travel on the bike and taking the laptop with me. That has not happened and it has been sitting in my closet ever since. It is brand new, never been out on the bike. I probably even still have the reciept and original tags from it. Built for hauling laptops on a bike. It is the Carbon Fiber shell model. Paid $160 + s&h for it. First $80 takes it. I'm in DC and you can either pick it up or I will deliver within a reasonable distance. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: smthng else > As far as hauling gear )B– I'm going with the Ventura luggage > system I bought a few years back )B– it doesn't look too cool – > but gets the job done. Any advice on waterproof bags for > laptops would be much appreciated as well. The only thing I'd totally trust a laptop in is a Givi. They aren't quite as ugly as they used to be. Mine did two days (riding, not just sitting) in last year's hurricane with a laptop in it... not a drop of water in there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 09:20:02 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've commuted from Haymarket into DC before (caged) and I share your pain. I used to take backroads (as if they still exist in this area) and it would take me 2 hours each way. I'm curious how long 66 ends up taking you from Gainesville on the bike. Please do share, as I'm considering moving out that way again. As for gear - I'm still a relative noobie, as I've only been on a bike for about a year. But, I've been on a bike nearly every day since I bought my first in Feb. 04. I have assembled a cold weather riding outfit that works pretty well for me at temps down into the 20's (I rode every day this winter regardless of temp, so long as the roads were clear). I am cheap, so I've been trying not-so-fancy ways of staying warm. From inside - out: Top) undershirt, dress shirt, fleece vest, light weight windbreaker-type jacket, JR AlterEgo jacket with liner Bottom) undies, dress slacks, Adidas lined nylon pants, LL Bean insulated ski-pants Feet) dress socks, WalMart non-insulated "special-ops" looking boots Hands) thinsulate liners, TM PolarTex insulated gloves, Aerostich grip warmers Head) full face baklava, full face helmet Temps - if it is above 40 degrees when I leave in the morning, I leave my Adidas pants at home and consider leaving my windbreaker-type jacket behind also. Problems - my hands still get cold. I must have poor circulation or something, because my buddy can ride with just leather sport gloves down into 40 degrees and just be chilly. I would've lost all feeling if I did the same. The Aerostich grip warmers made a world of difference, allowing me to ride the 45 minutes into work on the coldest days, whereas I wouldn't have been able to without them. They work well enough - but next year, I'm getting electric gloves. My hands are the only thing that gets painfully cold, and they still get tingly even with the grip warmers. My feet stay perfectly warm with nothing more than dress socks and cheapy boots. With all the gear on, I still have good flexibility, but it definitely is a far cry from my summer gear. Luggage - I have tried three different tank bags on two different bikes, and I've worn a good backpack. They all work, but I've recently seen the light of Givi ;) . Installed a rack and Givi 360 over the weekend. I am very pleased with it, but haven't had much time to try to break it yet. Coming in from Gainesville is a long haul - I do recommend heated gloves and either many layers or heated clothing. In my experience, I can ride just fine with a cold body, but once my hands go - I am no longer happy or safe. Glad to hear you're joining the ranks :). - Jimmy '03 Rex --- Calvin Ledford wrote: > Well, I've reached the end - after putting 13k on my new truck > (just purchased in August) the commute on 66 into DC has just > become unbearable - if the distance from Gainesville wasn't bad > enough the typical 4+ hour commute (up from a little over 3 when > I started 9 months ago) has pushed me over the edge )B– enough so > that the > here-to-forbabied/coddled/never-taken-out-of-the-garage-on-anything-but-a-beautiful-weekend-romp > Viffer is now going to be pressed into service as a daily > commuter - starting Monday - hopefully. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 09:25:03 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute ( long reply ) To: "De Boeser, Tom" , cledford@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Good point. My previous bike had a bit more plastic on it and it did make a difference. My ZRX is all but naked, so I feel a lot of the breeze. I need a winter and summer bike ;) - Jimmy --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > But, I have to say after *trying* to do close to all year on my old > VTR > - the best thing you can have is more tupperware - fairing that is. > I > now ride a ST1300, and on 45 degree days I don't need the > 'lectrics, or > pants - plastics rule! IIRC the VFR's fairing is rather good, but > look > into a taller windscreen. It'll help keep the cold air off of you. > You > may want to consider a balaclava also. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 10:25:21 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:25:04 EST Subject: This is good. :-) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Get the Drunk Home. Try this and see how far you can keep this drunk man up. Just move your mouse left to right (no clicking) to keep him walking in a straight line. The object of the game is to keep him walking, without falling over, by using your mouse from left to right or right to left.. Apparently the record is 82 meters! And it's in German CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW TO PLAY - IT'S ADDICTIVE. _http://www.wagenschenke.ch/_ (http://www.wagenschenke.ch/) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 10:35:01 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:34:39 EST Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/15/2005 9:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, daniel.dc@XXXXXX writes: > I usually let smelly footwear sit outside.. when I come back to them, > they are fine.. Last time I did that my boots came out smelling like the furry critter that was using them for a den. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 10:44:19 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:43:57 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/15/2005 9:46:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, cledford@XXXXXX writes: > I'm seriously looking at the Aerostitch > Darien - but would like the best electric solution and I'm not > sure `Stitch provides it. Any and all advice would be much > appreciated. They are not mutually exclusive. The Gerbing jacket liner I have is just that, a liner, you wear it under a jacket. like say an Aerostitch. An electric jacket liner with electric gloves and a heat controller is about the least bulky most versatile cold fighting gear you can find. You use the heat controller to adjust for temperature instead of multiple layers of bulky shituff. Love mine. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 10:49:00 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:48:52 -0500 I've been using Gerbings for a number of years now, and really like them. The full, thin liner inside my (once 'Stich Roadcrafter) now Belstaff jacket is incredibly warm; as are their gloves. While a bit thick and clumsy on the bike, they do a great job. I've since added heated grips to my VFR and they extend the use of my regular gloves by several degrees. The set up is less than $30 and doesn't take a lot of time to install. I also have a set of the 'stich triple digit rain covers, and like someone else said, there are definitely a worthwhile addition. Recently got a Shellaclava hood for under the helmet, but have only used it once. As for bags, when I'm in full tour mode, it looks like Givi threw up on my bike. Wingrack2, two E360's for sides, and an E460 Topcase. Gives the bike a big fat ass, but they hold a ton of crap, are weather tight, and lockable. Most of the time I just use the tubular top rack and E460 w/o the sides. Feel free to ping me off-list if you have any questions. Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 10:58:22 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:58:06 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/15/2005 9:46:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, cledford@XXXXXX writes: > Any tips of any sort in doing the all-weather commute would be > invaluable please feel free to dump them on me! > Think ahead, WAY ahead. ICE: We are likely clear of ice for this year but next fall you need to start looking for areas of the road that tend to have wet spots (water tends to seep up from cracks in the road, and low spots can puddle) those will become icy in below freezing temperatures. Note areas of the road that are shaded by trees, overpasses etc. the road surface will stay colder and harbor ice longer then sunny lanes. Use _street_ tires not racing tires, racing tires will never reach operating temperature and traction on cold roads. DEER: Avoid woodsy areas if you can (Duh) stay on main roads and position yourself where you have the best view of the road, median, and woods so you are more likely to see the critters. Use cars as a sort of cow catcher let one or two run ahead of you like blockers in football, let them hit the deer and knock them away from you. RAIN: Get a GOOD rainsuit, and a cheap one that packs small, leave the cheap one at the office for those surprise rains. If you must look your best at work consider keeping an extra set of clothes there just in case. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 11:11:07 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:10:59 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX BTW, anyone purchasing Gerbings might want to consider getting them from Donnelson Cycle (found advertised in most moto rags). They had the gloves @ $119, cheaper then anyone else I could fine and free shipping over $100 order. Glenn --- Rob Keiser wrote: > I've been using Gerbings for a number of years now, > and really like them. > The full, thin liner inside my (once 'Stich __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 11:13:07 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:12:55 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Axio Swift Hardpack FS --- WAS: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Scooter bragged: >Speaking of carrying a laptop on a bike. I bought an Axio >Swift Hardpack (http://www.axio-usa.com/) a few months ago >when I thought I was going to be doing more travel on the >bike and taking the laptop with me. ... snipped f/s... [Dave] That's a pretty good price... If I cared about my laptop I s'pose ;-) Personally, I use a bungee net. Anything that can't survive a full on drag race, ride it like I stole it take off doesn't belong on the bike in the first place... ;-) It's a company laptop anyway, and if they don't suffer a little damage, we'll be stuck with them for years to come, long after they're outdated, requiring frequen restarts, and suffering from various maladies... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 11:40:31 2005 From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anybody on this list Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:40:23 -0500 Saw a late model Suzuki GSXR750 got pulled over on the Dulles Airport Road (You know the one in the middle - No toll road) His mistake was when he took the exit which are designated for buses. Thise of us who travel the toll road know that its a big no no to take that exit and especially the Airport Authority cops are always around those exits. Eventhough you are tempted to do that when the trafiic is at a standstill. As soon he took that exit he changed lanes and gunned it and the red and blue's came on. He raised his left hand and acknowledged that the cop is behind him. Well, bummer for him. --Altaan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 12:58:02 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:57:54 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute ( long reply ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > > I now ride a ST1300, and on 45 degree days I don't need the > > 'lectrics, or pants - plastics rule! 45 degrees? I don't use electrics when it's 35 out (this morning). On my Yam WR400. It don't get any more naked than that. Ok, I'd have liked to use the hand warmers but they're not installed. anything more than a few watts and the alternator can't drive it. that's dirt er, dual-sport bikes for ya. The ZR7 has a 1/2 fairing and a 300+ watt alternator. But I've ridden the nekid CB750 and Triumph in biting cold and been happy as a clam with the Gerbings going. I have the quilted liner instead of the paper thin one. I don't know if the thin one is better or not but I VERY much like the quilted one. I got like the last one. Pity. I'll say this, at 15F and below and going 60+mph the electrics on full tilt keep me alive. It's not entirely fun but that's the price of riding year round in Chicago and Wisconsin. More tupperware would probably help but plastic gets expensive. Just last thursday I was out in blowing snow and hit ice and got tossed down the middle of I-94 at speed. Repair bill = $100. If I had lowers it'd be quite a bit more. I need to find myself a scratch and dent GS500 or something for winter riding. That was the plan with the WR but the alternator simply can't drive anything. That or I rig up a nice 14AmpH battery just to support the heat. I've got the room after tossing the air box... Winter riding is fun. By far most days you can carve arcs and have fun while the rest of motorcycledom sits in their cars/trucks getting antsy. If you really do decide to ride year round, get used to road spooge. My bike looks pretty nasty below the knee. And since I don't have a garage or access to a hose, and throwing water at something when it's way below freezing isn't much fun, it'll look like that for months. If you value your plastics, put them in the attic. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 13:05:07 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:04:58 -0500 > > From: "Julian Halton" > Date: 2005/03/16 Wed AM 07:51:59 EST > To: , > CC: > Subject: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... > > > My biggest problem is on days below 28 degrees. I don't use heated > gear...At temps below 28 degrees, after a short time my hands and feet > start to go...any place the wind can get into, it will but with a nice > swaeter and vest and everything zipped up the core is alright. For me > it is all about the hands, I have tried at least five or six pairs of > gloves including cold weather stuff and after twenty minutes or so, > riding is no longer enjoyable and I become distracted. > ..what I used to do was buy a good pair of non-breathable ski *mittens*. I would also buy the small chemical hand/foot warmers packs you can buy at camping supply stores. The combination of the fingers being together (thus conserving heat) as well as a warmer in each glove kept my hands pretty toasty for a good couple of hours. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 13:13:02 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:12:42 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute ( long reply ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/16/2005 12:58:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > That or I rig up a nice 14AmpH battery just to support > the heat. All of your electric power comes from your alternator _all_ of it. With a larger battery it will just take longer for the battery to run down. This may cover you if you spend time at low RPM (low charge rate) and then spend a lot at high RPM, assuming the alternator can re-charge the battery under the load at high RPM. It can also cover you if your current battery has _almost_ enough juice for one round trip and you charge it every night. Actually I think I would try it without any modification at all _IF_ and it is a big if, if you are using a heat controller that pulses the current (like a Gerbing Heat Troller.) _not_ a rheostat. Unless you have the heat turned up full you are not placing the full watt load on your charging system and you may just get by. I have only had mine turned up past half way one or two times and with more coat layers even that would not be necessary. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 13:21:08 2005 Subject: RE: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:21:03 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , Interestingly enough and I have not been able to find the physiological reasons for this but a friend of mine in the armed forces explained that they were instructed never to use the chemical hand warmers because if they are in contact with the hands for extended periods, the hands lose the ability to warm themselves. He was taught to put the chemical warmer underneath a wrist band so it warms the blood entering the hand, not the hand itself. I can't figure that one out but thought I would share. -----Original Message----- From: adamme1@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... > > From: "Julian Halton" > Date: 2005/03/16 Wed AM 07:51:59 EST > To: , > CC: > Subject: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... > > > My biggest problem is on days below 28 degrees. I don't use heated > gear...At temps below 28 degrees, after a short time my hands and feet > start to go...any place the wind can get into, it will but with a nice > swaeter and vest and everything zipped up the core is alright. For me > it is all about the hands, I have tried at least five or six pairs of > gloves including cold weather stuff and after twenty minutes or so, > riding is no longer enjoyable and I become distracted. > ..what I used to do was buy a good pair of non-breathable ski *mittens*. I would also buy the small chemical hand/foot warmers packs you can buy at camping supply stores. The combination of the fingers being together (thus conserving heat) as well as a warmer in each glove kept my hands pretty toasty for a good couple of hours. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 13:22:01 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:21:54 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > of staying warm. From inside - out: ok, me. Top) undershirt, dress shirt, Gerbings quilted liner, JR DryTech liner (great as a windbreaker), JR Ballistic v3 3/4 jacket unlined. Bottom) running tights when really cold out, dress slacks, JR BAllistic v3 overpants My legs don't get very cold unless it's 15F or below. Most days I don't wear the running tights. The JR overpants are VERY effective at stopping wind and water. I don't wear rain suits anymore really. Feet) cotton or wool socks, JR sport touring waterproof boots. Can't remember which product line they were from. Dry-tech lined too of course. Hands) Gerbings gloves. on the WR thin "mountaineering" gloves - more like Gallyan's or REI special, under JR Nitrogen gloves (New Enough) because they are the ONLY gloves I could find that didn't use the sorry-excuse Thinsulate 40wt. The setup is only good above freezing. Below gets to be downright painful. Thinsulate or Dupont Thermolite is good stuff except nobody makes gloves out of the heavy guages. 40wt material is clearly spelled out as being appropriate for 30F weather and *considerable* physical exercise where the body is generating lots of excess heat (running, biking, skiing). I don't know about you but when my butt is parked in the saddle I'm not doing any physical exercise and last I checked, no runner or bicyclist was being subjected to 60MPH wind chill. Next year I'm going to make my own 100+wt glove inserts. and install grip warmers. Head) full face helmet, neck tube of Polartec from Performance bicycle. I've had it for 8 or 9 years. Hmm, have I washed it? *kidding* Temps - if it is above 40 degrees when I leave in the morning, I am tempted to ride in a mesh jacket, cut off jeans and sandals. *smile* Problems - my hands get cold too. What's funny is mine will alternate. One hand will warm up while the other is getting numb. Then it'll switch. When it's 15 and below my hands have still gotten quite stiff. Why? the heated elements are on the outside of the hand but the blazes clutch and brake levers and throttle tubes are on the inside and when they're at 12F, they suck the heat out of anything. So when I can, I keep my hands off the controls. > They work well enough - but next year, I'm getting electric gloves. Keep the grip warmers. see above. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 13:35:21 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:35:14 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: wallets on 95 /Stinky Feet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX watch your wallets on 95 / PWC Yates Declared: )B“A new revenue enhancement zone has been created... The Virginia Department of Transportation Don't the feds have better things to spend money on)B” Hey, it)B’s the State Gummimint, not us Federales. Complain to yer representatives that they)B’re misusing federal funds and wasting valuable resources. Osama is more likely to be hiding out in the woods not speeding on I-95. Stinky boots: Dry them out well every night. If possible, don)B’t wear them all day long. Stink-o-genic bugs luv moisture. Don)B’t abet their growth. I suppose if you got desperate, as a last resort, dump a bottle of 70% rubbing alcohol in a boot, shake it up, drain and let it dry. That would kill most germs and -- better -- leave no residue. Would cost ~a buck a boot. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 13:38:29 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:38:25 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... > clutch and brake levers and throttle tubes are on the inside and when > they're at 12F, they suck the heat out of anything. > > Keep the grip warmers. see above. Lovely items - they kept me alive on a rented Beemer last June. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 14:31:11 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:31:02 -0500 I have XM in the car and the only reception problem (outdoors) is if you are really close to a tall object to the south. So, riding along a low road with a high ridge to your south will cause you to lose signal. For i nstance, travelling on 340 near Harper's Ferry, between the two bridges is a bad spot. I also had it happen in the parking lot of a Sheetz when I pulled up to the building. It worked out by the pumps, but the building was high enough to block it. Perry >From: Glenn Dysart >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on >22nd... >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:28:42 -0800 (PST) > > >--- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > i haven't gone to satellite radio because its > > reliability > > in the mountains to me is an unknown.... > > > >I will be testing this soon as I just picked up a >Sirius satellite receiver. > >Glenn > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 14:37:59 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:37:49 -0500 To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... At 02:31 PM 3/16/05 -0500, Perry Coleman wrote: >I have XM in the car and the only reception problem (outdoors) is if you are >really close to a tall object to the south. So, riding along a low road with The MyFi has up to 5 hours of memory, so you can record some stuff where you have a signal and listen to it later when you don't want to mess with antennas or signal reception. As far as bikes and antennas, a couple of the local HOGs have the little magnetic car antennas on their rear fenders (solo seats) and it works fine. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 15:04:06 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:03:29 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX And one more to add to this, electrical towers/transformers/whatever. When riding to Potomac Mills from DC I lose signal for a few seconds as I pass that one big group of them. I also lose it when I'm in PA and get stopped near a transformer on an electrical pole. Scooter In a message dated 3/16/2005 2:31:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: I have XM in the car and the only reception problem (outdoors) is if you are really close to a tall object to the south. So, riding along a low road with a high ridge to your south will cause you to lose signal. For i nstance, travelling on 340 near Harper's Ferry, between the two bridges is a bad spot. I also had it happen in the parking lot of a Sheetz when I pulled up to the building. It worked out by the pumps, but the building was high enough to block it. Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 15:09:40 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:09:33 -0500 Scooter, Well, that is an easy one to fix... don't go to Potomac Mills! ;^) I guess you have to go to PA, though. Actually, I don't think I have experienced that particular problem, but I'll pay attention to the possibility. Perry >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on >22nd... >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:03:29 EST > >And one more to add to this, electrical towers/transformers/whatever. >When >riding to Potomac Mills from DC I lose signal for a few seconds as I pass >that one big group of them. I also lose it when I'm in PA and get stopped >near >a transformer on an electrical pole. > >Scooter > >In a message dated 3/16/2005 2:31:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, >perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > >I have XM in the car and the only reception problem (outdoors) is if you >are >really close to a tall object to the south. So, riding along a low road >with >a high ridge to your south will cause you to lose signal. For i nstance, >travelling on 340 near Harper's Ferry, between the two bridges is a bad >spot. I also had it happen in the parking lot of a Sheetz when I pulled up >to the building. It worked out by the pumps, but the building was high >enough to block it. > >Perry > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 19:57:08 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:56:52 -0500 This encouraging tidbit from the April AMA American Motorcyclist - Seems The New York State Thruway will on May 1 be halving tolls (from 4c to 1.9c/mi) for bikers with E-Z Pass. I'm plugging for a trend through the toll community, surely helped by pressure from the likes of us. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > or to zero 'cause bikes are so pretty Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Calvin Ledford Well, I've reached the end - after putting 13k on my new truck (just purchased in August) the commute on 66 into DC ...snip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 20:49:47 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:49:29 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/16/2005 1:38:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > > clutch and brake levers and throttle tubes are on the inside and when > > they're at 12F, they suck the heat out of anything. During Las Vegas summers I used to have to spit on the (black) levers on my BMW to keep them from burning my fingers. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 20:53:59 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:53:42 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute ( long reply ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/16/2005 1:44:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > guess you don't know what a WR400 has. NO battery. period. DUH!!! I know what WR means and should have realized that. For your purpose you could just strap a (sealed) battery to the seat and use it that way, no reason at all to have it hooked to the bike. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 22:30:21 2005 Subject: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:39:53 -0500 From: "lister lynch" To: It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was traveling N bound on 14th St NW, in the left lane, approaching the intersection of Pennsylvania Ave., intending to go straight through the intersection. There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and the light was green. Other party was in middle lane in the intersection in stopped traffic. The guy turned left across my lane to take a left onto Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the left side of the car at the driver's door with the right side of the VFR when I swerved slightly left in an attempt to avoid the other vehicle. No witnesses came forward at the scene. You can imagine the number of people who actually saw it. Since it happened so close to work, I got a buddy to bring a camera phone to the scene (although the quality isn't great). If you take a look at the pic of the side of the car, it's amazing what you can see. You can see where the front tire left a mark, the upper fairing shape, the bar-end dent, my leg imprint (from door handle to lower B pillar), and the foot peg dents (actually punctures through the door skin). http://mplynch.com/images/3-16-05%20Accident/ MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report for "fender benders" because the District has gone to a policy of no-fault accidents. What a load of bulllshit. Bet they got the whole thing on video in that intersection. Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 22:41:51 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:42:05 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? At 10:39 PM 3/16/2005, lister lynch wrote: >Since it happened so close to work, I got a buddy to bring a camera phone >to the scene (although the quality isn't great). If you take a look at >the pic of the side of the car, it's amazing what you can see. You can >see where the front tire left a mark, the upper fairing shape, the bar-end >dent, my leg imprint (from door handle to lower B pillar), and the foot >peg dents (actually punctures through the door skin). Glad you are ok. Impressive pictures. You are ok aren't you? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 22:46:47 2005 Subject: RE: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:56:22 -0500 From: "lister lynch" To: "Troutman" , The X-rays results will be in tomorrow morning. My ankle sure does hurt. The cast frame section where the bracket that holds the right peg and brake hardware sheared off at the upper mount. That looks impressive/frightening. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? At 10:39 PM 3/16/2005, lister lynch wrote: >Since it happened so close to work, I got a buddy to bring a camera phone >to the scene (although the quality isn't great). If you take a look at >the pic of the side of the car, it's amazing what you can see. You can >see where the front tire left a mark, the upper fairing shape, the bar-end >dent, my leg imprint (from door handle to lower B pillar), and the foot >peg dents (actually punctures through the door skin). Glad you are ok. Impressive pictures. You are ok aren't you? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 07:00:32 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:00:22 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX That sux Mike, well at least you didn't get hurt. So will you have access to this video? Glenn --- lister lynch wrote: > > It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was > traveling N bound on 14th St NW, in the left lane, > approaching the intersection of Pennsylvania Ave., > intending to go straight through the intersection. > There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and > the light was green. Other party was in middle lane > in the intersection in stopped traffic. The guy > turned left across my lane to take a left onto > Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the left side of > the car at the driver's door with the right side of > the VFR when I swerved slightly left in an attempt > to avoid the other vehicle. No witnesses came > forward at the scene. You can imagine the number of > people who actually saw it. > > Since it happened so close to work, I got a buddy to > bring a camera phone to the scene (although the > quality isn't great). If you take a look at the pic > of the side of the car, it's amazing what you can > see. You can see where the front tire left a mark, > the upper fairing shape, the bar-end dent, my leg > imprint (from door handle to lower B pillar), and > the foot peg dents (actually punctures through the > door skin). > > http://mplynch.com/images/3-16-05%20Accident/ > > MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report for > "fender benders" because the District has gone to a > policy of no-fault accidents. What a load of > bulllshit. Bet they got the whole thing on video in > that intersection. > > > Mike > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 07:57:46 2005 From: Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? To: "lister lynch" , Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:57:44 -0500 Funny, I've had several altercations with idiots in DC .. not just moto-related, but anything. Every time I reported the incidents the police refused to do anything or even take a report. It's no wonder the incidence of 'reported crime' in DC is dropping. The death threat was the best one. The police basically told me that because I had politely asked her to move her car which was blocking the road I was at fault and she was justified in leaving the scene, returning with a weapon and threatening to kill me. I was gob-smacked. I filed a police complaint .. well .. I tried to .. and even that went into a black hole never to resurface. And then there's the mass arrests of protesters... It's no wonder nobody comes forward to help the police solve any of the myriad murders around the city. I used to believe the police were my ally, but I've completely given up on the DC boys in blue. They're not all bad, but the good ones are so rare they should be knighted. Stephen On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:39:53 -0500 > MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report for > "fender benders" because the District has gone to a > policy of no-fault accidents. What a load of bulllshit. > Bet they got the whole thing on video in that > intersection. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 08:24:57 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:24:35 -0500 That goes for Rockville Police Department as well. They suck when you need them. I know a DC officer and he is one of the few that actually enjoy locking fools up. If I had that woman threaten me with a weapon there would have been no need for a police report just a ambulance. They're not all bad, but the good ones are so rare they should be knighted. Stephen On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:39:53 -0500 > MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report for > "fender benders" because the District has gone to a > policy of no-fault accidents. What a load of bulllshit. > Bet they got the whole thing on video in that > intersection. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 08:57:21 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:57:07 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? To: lister lynch , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Glad you're not seriously hurt. Were you able to keep the bike upright? Hopefully the Jag. driver was helpful. A cage swerving out of a lane of stopped/slow traffic into my "open" lane is one of my greatest fears. If you have any words of wisdom learned after this incident, I'm interested. - Jimmy --- lister lynch wrote: > > It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was traveling N > bound on 14th St NW, in the left lane, approaching the intersection > of Pennsylvania Ave., intending to go straight through the > intersection. There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and > the light was green. Other party was in middle lane in the > intersection in stopped traffic. The guy turned left across my > lane to take a left onto Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the > left side of the car at the driver's door with the right side of > the VFR when I swerved slightly left in an attempt to avoid the > other vehicle. No witnesses came forward at the scene. You can > imagine the number of people who actually saw it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:20:32 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:20:07 -0500 From: skip To: lister lynch CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Strong work! what did his insurance co say? lister lynch wrote: > > It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:24:31 2005 Subject: RE: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:34:06 -0500 From: "lister lynch" To: "Glenn Dysart" , That's a very good question. About the only chance that I would ever see that video is if it was subpoenaed in a court case, I'm sure. Heading off to the hospital to get the results in person, since they wouldn't give them to me over the phone, even though they told me last night to call for the results this morning... :/ Mike -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? That sux Mike, well at least you didn't get hurt. So will you have access to this video? Glenn --- lister lynch wrote: > > It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was > traveling N bound on 14th St NW, in the left lane, > approaching the intersection of Pennsylvania Ave., > intending to go straight through the intersection. > There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and > the light was green. Other party was in middle lane > in the intersection in stopped traffic. The guy > turned left across my lane to take a left onto > Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the left side of > the car at the driver's door with the right side of > the VFR when I swerved slightly left in an attempt > to avoid the other vehicle. No witnesses came > forward at the scene. You can imagine the number of > people who actually saw it. > > Since it happened so close to work, I got a buddy to > bring a camera phone to the scene (although the > quality isn't great). If you take a look at the pic > of the side of the car, it's amazing what you can > see. You can see where the front tire left a mark, > the upper fairing shape, the bar-end dent, my leg > imprint (from door handle to lower B pillar), and > the foot peg dents (actually punctures through the > door skin). > > http://mplynch.com/images/3-16-05%20Accident/ > > MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report for > "fender benders" because the District has gone to a > policy of no-fault accidents. What a load of > bulllshit. Bet they got the whole thing on video in > that intersection. > > > Mike > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:36:40 2005 From: Daniel To: "lister lynch" Cc: Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:36:26 -0500 That sux.. when a lady bumped me at 5 mph on 14th street South toward penn, two female cops came, made a report wrote the b***** 3 tickets, and the next day gave me a free police report saving me 3 bux. That was a year or two ago though. :( On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:39:53 -0500, "lister lynch" wrote: > >It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was traveling N bound on 14th St NW, in the left lane, approaching the intersection of Pennsylvania Ave., intending to go straight through the intersection. There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and the light was green. Other party was in middle lane in the intersection in stopped traffic. The guy turned left across my lane to take a left onto Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the left side of the car at the driver's door with the right side of the VFR when I swerved slightly left in an attempt to avoid the other vehicle. No witnesses came forward at the scene. You can imagine the number of people who actually saw it. > >Since it happened so close to work, I got a buddy to bring a camera phone to the scene (although the quality isn't great). If you take a look at the pic of the side of the car, it's amazing what you can see. You can see where the front tire left a mark, the upper fairing shape, the bar-end dent, my leg imprint (from door handle to lower B pillar), and the foot peg dents (actually punctures through the door skin). > >http://mplynch.com/images/3-16-05%20Accident/ > >MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report for "fender benders" because the District has gone to a policy of no-fault accidents. What a load of bulllshit. Bet they got the whole thing on video in that intersection. > > >Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:42:15 2005 From: Daniel To: Cc: "lister lynch" , Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:42:04 -0500 I wonder if that adams morgan police complaint website is still up? DC also has a law if someone is assulting you, you can't defend yourself. So what happens if you do out of instinct reaction? well the cop comes.. asks you what happened, if you fought back and if you want to press charges and tells you, if you do press charges, he has to lock you up too. What kind of crap is that? I saw this happen outside of a nightclub. I thought the cop was being lazy or something.. but my friend who's a parking enforcement officer informed me that was the law and they are told not to fight back against anyone trying to assult them.... Of course my friend has a few tricks up his sleeve and will fight back, and tells angry ticket getters " I get off at 4 pm" . DC is just retarded... So i recommend, if you have to fight someone, kick their ass and leave LOL Don't stick around to talk to the cops. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:42:57 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: jeff schmidt Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? To: Daniel , lister lynch Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX What is a "no-fault accident?" I can't imagine that the insurance companies like that policy. Without a police report assigning blame, everyone would have to carry comprehensive insurance, unless I'm missing something. --- Daniel wrote: > That sux.. when a lady bumped me at 5 mph on 14th > street South > toward penn, two female cops came, made a report > wrote the b***** 3 > tickets, and the next day gave me a free police > report saving me 3 > bux. That was a year or two ago though. :( > > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:39:53 -0500, "lister lynch" > wrote: > > > > >It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was > traveling N bound on 14th St NW, in the left lane, > approaching the intersection of Pennsylvania Ave., > intending to go straight through the intersection. > There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and > the light was green. Other party was in middle lane > in the intersection in stopped traffic. The guy > turned left across my lane to take a left onto > Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the left side of > the car at the driver's door with the right side of > the VFR when I swerved slightly left in an attempt > to avoid the other vehicle. No witnesses came > forward at the scene. You can imagine the number of > people who actually saw it. > > > >Since it happened so close to work, I got a buddy > to bring a camera phone to the scene (although the > quality isn't great). If you take a look at the pic > of the side of the car, it's amazing what you can > see. You can see where the front tire left a mark, > the upper fairing shape, the bar-end dent, my leg > imprint (from door handle to lower B pillar), and > the foot peg dents (actually punctures through the > door skin). > > > >http://mplynch.com/images/3-16-05%20Accident/ > > > >MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report > for "fender benders" because the District has gone > to a policy of no-fault accidents. What a load of > bulllshit. Bet they got the whole thing on video in > that intersection. > > > > > >Mike > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:43:26 2005 From: Daniel To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:43:15 -0500 Oh that reminds me, yes there are Dc police who like to start pounding into beligerent suspects head, after they tell the suspect to leave and the guy wants to talk trash and be beligerent LOL some people need not drink alcohol. On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:24:35 -0500, "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: >That goes for Rockville Police Department as well. They suck when you need >them. I know a DC officer and he is one of the few that actually enjoy >locking fools up. If I had that woman threaten me with a weapon there would >have been no need for a police report just a ambulance. > > >They're not all bad, but the good ones are so rare they >should be knighted. > >Stephen > > > > >On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:39:53 -0500 >> MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report for >> "fender benders" because the District has gone to a >> policy of no-fault accidents. What a load of bulllshit. >> Bet they got the whole thing on video in that >> intersection. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:45:20 2005 Subject: RE: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:45:14 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "lister lynch" Cc: The main thing is I hope you are okay. The no fault clause must be new because the very same thing happened to a friend of mine less than ten months ago..except it was a taxi. The officer arrived on scene and issued a citation to the cab driver in question who made the illegal left. -----Original Message----- From: Mike [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] On Behalf Of lister lynch To: Glenn Dysart; DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? That's a very good question. About the only chance that I would ever see that video is if it was subpoenaed in a court case, I'm sure. Heading off to the hospital to get the results in person, since they wouldn't give them to me over the phone, even though they told me last night to call for the results this morning... :/ Mike -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? That sux Mike, well at least you didn't get hurt. So will you have access to this video? Glenn --- lister lynch wrote: > > It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was traveling N bound > on 14th St NW, in the left lane, approaching the intersection of > Pennsylvania Ave., intending to go straight through the intersection. > There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and the light was > green. Other party was in middle lane in the intersection in stopped > traffic. The guy turned left across my lane to take a left onto > Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the left side of the car at the > driver's door with the right side of the VFR when I swerved slightly > left in an attempt to avoid the other vehicle. No witnesses came > forward at the scene. You can imagine the number of people who > actually saw it. > > Since it happened so close to work, I got a buddy to bring a camera > phone to the scene (although the quality isn't great). If you take a > look at the pic of the side of the car, it's amazing what you can see. > You can see where the front tire left a mark, the upper fairing shape, > the bar-end dent, my leg imprint (from door handle to lower B pillar), > and the foot peg dents (actually punctures through the door skin). > > http://mplynch.com/images/3-16-05%20Accident/ > > MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report for "fender benders" > because the District has gone to a policy of no-fault accidents. What > a load of bulllshit. Bet they got the whole thing on video in that > intersection. > > > Mike > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:45:51 2005 From: Daniel To: "James O'Connor" Cc: lister lynch , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:45:39 -0500 I had a similiar accident.. I was leavng DC via NY ave, and a lost woman tried to make a sudden right hand turn on bladensburg RD from the middle lane cutting me off as well. Lawyers were calling my house between 6 and 9 am the next morning like 7 or 8 of them... well at least the ambulance chasers for the lawyers. On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:57:07 -0800 (PST), "James O'Connor" wrote: >Glad you're not seriously hurt. Were you able to keep the bike >upright? Hopefully the Jag. driver was helpful. > >A cage swerving out of a lane of stopped/slow traffic into my "open" >lane is one of my greatest fears. If you have any words of wisdom >learned after this incident, I'm interested. > >- Jimmy > >--- lister lynch wrote: >> >> It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was traveling N >> bound on 14th St NW, in the left lane, approaching the intersection >> of Pennsylvania Ave., intending to go straight through the >> intersection. There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and >> the light was green. Other party was in middle lane in the >> intersection in stopped traffic. The guy turned left across my >> lane to take a left onto Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the >> left side of the car at the driver's door with the right side of >> the VFR when I swerved slightly left in an attempt to avoid the >> other vehicle. No witnesses came forward at the scene. You can >> imagine the number of people who actually saw it. > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:48:03 2005 Subject: RE: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:57:38 -0500 From: "lister lynch" To: Was not able to keep the bike upright. After the impact, the bike went down on the right side with my right leg pinned underneath it. Everything came to rest about 20' from impact, where the bike was 10' off the driver's door and I was between the bike and the car. Struggling to get the bike off my hurting ankle. The other driver wans't helpful, but he wasn't an ass either. Lesson: Wear all your gear, all the time. Shoei helmet has rash on the upper right section of the shield and into the part above the shield. My nose and right eyebrow have brusing where my sunglasses were pressed against my head. Gericke textile jacket with hard armor is without a scratch. Bib goretex pants are rashed from the R knee down. Sidi On-Roads have very deep rash on the R toe/outside area. Gerbings gloves have very light rash over the index and middle knuckle of the R hand. Mike -----Original Message----- From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] To: lister lynch; DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Glad you're not seriously hurt. Were you able to keep the bike upright? Hopefully the Jag. driver was helpful. A cage swerving out of a lane of stopped/slow traffic into my "open" lane is one of my greatest fears. If you have any words of wisdom learned after this incident, I'm interested. - Jimmy --- lister lynch wrote: > > It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was traveling N > bound on 14th St NW, in the left lane, approaching the intersection > of Pennsylvania Ave., intending to go straight through the > intersection. There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and > the light was green. Other party was in middle lane in the > intersection in stopped traffic. The guy turned left across my > lane to take a left onto Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the > left side of the car at the driver's door with the right side of > the VFR when I swerved slightly left in an attempt to avoid the > other vehicle. No witnesses came forward at the scene. You can > imagine the number of people who actually saw it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:52:47 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:52:20 -0500 To: Daniel From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX At 07:42 AM 3/17/05 -0800, jeff schmidt wrote: >What is a "no-fault accident?" I can't imagine that >the insurance companies like that policy. Without a >police report assigning blame, everyone would have to >carry comprehensive insurance, unless I'm missing >something. Nope, that's pretty much the situation. Insurance companies did fight against "no fault" laws, but some states passed them anyway (so much for the power of "big insurance"). Insurance rates adjusted accordingly. Overall it works out about the same for the big companies...they are on the good side as much as the bad so their payments are about the same over time, and they are covered by premiums anyway...plus profit. Have you heard that Maryland is working on a law that will fine anyone making over $55,000 a year who doesn't have medical insurance? 1% of annual income is the fine amount in the version they reported on the radio yesterday. Time to move out before they start changing the top post names to things like "Chairman" and "Commissar"...the frogs here are too boiled to be outraged... I think the ones in the District must be completely dead to put up with the government they keep electing there. Maybe it wasn't just the mayor who was on crack? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:55:21 2005 Subject: RE: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:04:56 -0500 From: "lister lynch" To: "jeff schmidt" , "Daniel" Cc: I think it boiled down to the fact that it took MPD a half an hour to finally show up a block from the White House entrance (!), they couldn't give a rat's ass, and they didn't feel like putting any brain power into trying to figure out what really happened. Both I and the other guy insisted to them that we wanted a police report. They refused to write one up. In no-fault, the insurance companies will take statements from both parties, then analyze the accounts to assign fault to determine whose company pays damages. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jeff schmidt [mailto:jeffreyschmidt4gop@XXXXXX] To: Daniel; lister lynch Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? What is a "no-fault accident?" I can't imagine that the insurance companies like that policy. Without a police report assigning blame, everyone would have to carry comprehensive insurance, unless I'm missing something. --- Daniel wrote: > That sux.. when a lady bumped me at 5 mph on 14th > street South > toward penn, two female cops came, made a report > wrote the b***** 3 > tickets, and the next day gave me a free police > report saving me 3 > bux. That was a year or two ago though. :( > > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:39:53 -0500, "lister lynch" > wrote: > > > > >It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was > traveling N bound on 14th St NW, in the left lane, > approaching the intersection of Pennsylvania Ave., > intending to go straight through the intersection. > There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and > the light was green. Other party was in middle lane > in the intersection in stopped traffic. The guy > turned left across my lane to take a left onto > Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the left side of > the car at the driver's door with the right side of > the VFR when I swerved slightly left in an attempt > to avoid the other vehicle. No witnesses came > forward at the scene. You can imagine the number of > people who actually saw it. > > > >Since it happened so close to work, I got a buddy > to bring a camera phone to the scene (although the > quality isn't great). If you take a look at the pic > of the side of the car, it's amazing what you can > see. You can see where the front tire left a mark, > the upper fairing shape, the bar-end dent, my leg > imprint (from door handle to lower B pillar), and > the foot peg dents (actually punctures through the > door skin). > > > >http://mplynch.com/images/3-16-05%20Accident/ > > > >MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report > for "fender benders" because the District has gone > to a policy of no-fault accidents. What a load of > bulllshit. Bet they got the whole thing on video in > that intersection. > > > > > >Mike > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 10:57:48 2005 From: Daniel To: "lister lynch" Cc: Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:57:37 -0500 I think i'm going to refrain from wearing sunglasses in my helmet ever again.. even though i've only done it once or twice... I'm going to use a tear off shield.. now how to mod my visor to accept one.. super glue with wooden dowels as posts? On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:57:38 -0500, "lister lynch" wrote: >Was not able to keep the bike upright. After the impact, the bike went down on the right side with my right leg pinned underneath it. Everything came to rest about 20' from impact, where the bike was 10' off the driver's door and I was between the bike and the car. Struggling to get the bike off my hurting ankle. The other driver wans't helpful, but he wasn't an ass either. > >Lesson: Wear all your gear, all the time. Shoei helmet has rash on the upper right section of the shield and into the part above the shield. My nose and right eyebrow have brusing where my sunglasses were pressed against my head. Gericke textile jacket with hard armor is without a scratch. Bib goretex pants are rashed from the R knee down. Sidi On-Roads have very deep rash on the R toe/outside area. Gerbings gloves have very light rash over the index and middle knuckle of the R hand. > >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:57 AM >To: lister lynch; DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? > > >Glad you're not seriously hurt. Were you able to keep the bike >upright? Hopefully the Jag. driver was helpful. > >A cage swerving out of a lane of stopped/slow traffic into my "open" >lane is one of my greatest fears. If you have any words of wisdom >learned after this incident, I'm interested. > >- Jimmy > >--- lister lynch wrote: >> >> It would look cool if it wasn't done by me. I was traveling N >> bound on 14th St NW, in the left lane, approaching the intersection >> of Pennsylvania Ave., intending to go straight through the >> intersection. There was no traffic in the lane in front of me and >> the light was green. Other party was in middle lane in the >> intersection in stopped traffic. The guy turned left across my >> lane to take a left onto Pennsylvania Ave. I collided into the >> left side of the car at the driver's door with the right side of >> the VFR when I swerved slightly left in an attempt to avoid the >> other vehicle. No witnesses came forward at the scene. You can >> imagine the number of people who actually saw it. > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 11:11:40 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:11:05 -0500 From: skip CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Daniel wrote: > > I wonder if that adams morgan police complaint website is still up? > > DC also has a law if someone is assulting you, you can't defend > yourself. So what happens if you do out of instinct reaction? > well the cop comes.. asks you what happened, if you fought back and if > you want to press charges and tells you, if you do press charges, he > has to lock you up too. What kind of crap is that? I saw this > happen outside of a nightclub. I thought the cop was being lazy or > something.. but my friend who's a parking enforcement officer > informed me that was the law and they are told not to fight back > against anyone trying to assult them.... Of course my friend has a > few tricks up his sleeve and will fight back, and tells angry ticket > getters " I get off at 4 pm" . > > DC is just retarded... So i recommend, if you have to fight someone, > kick their ass and leave LOL Don't stick around to talk to the > cops. yet another reason I avoid going DC. It's a shame, because there is a lot of good 'culture' in DC, like Smithsonian Museums, etc. I refuse to expose myself to those risks unnecessarily. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 11:12:33 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:12:22 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? To: lister lynch , jeff schmidt , Daniel Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX I was involved in a "no-fault" mess a few years ago. I was in my truck rounding an on-ramp, that also served as approaching road's off-ramp (back to the road I was getting off of). As I rounded the turn (intending to merge left), a tractor-trailer was exiting the road I was tryin to get on (intending to merge right). Long and ugly story short - he came over into my lane and bounced me off his trailer tire and into the curb. Police show up - because it a merge zone, they wouldn't do anything. And because the cop didn't think it was more than $1000 in damage, he wouldn't write a report. It ripped off my side mirror and caved my door in, and dented one of my aftermarket wheels (ended up closer to $5000). Turns out Virginia is a no-fault state, at least in these types of situations. So, my insurance, GEICO, had to fight with the trucker's insurance (in-house, sketchy place). The scene was visited by insurance, stories were told and documented, blame cast by both parties....... I ended up getting most all the coverage due to me, and more importantly, GEICO kept my record relatively clean, just showing a no-fault accident (no points or rate adjustment). If they are calling it a no-fault, and you believe the other drive truly is at 100% fault, I suggest you get into the mix real quick and prove who was at fault to your insurance. Also, if a traffic camera caught the action - I would definitely try to get it. Sorry SOB's that saw the incident and didn't bother to offer a hand. Hopefully they'll get their own........ - Jimmy --- lister lynch wrote: > I think it boiled down to the fact that it took MPD a half an hour > to finally show up a block from the White House entrance (!), they > couldn't give a rat's ass, and they didn't feel like putting any > brain power into trying to figure out what really happened. Both I > and the other guy insisted to them that we wanted a police report. > They refused to write one up. > > In no-fault, the insurance companies will take statements from both > parties, then analyze the accounts to assign fault to determine > whose company pays damages. > > Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 11:21:37 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:21:27 -0800 (PST) From: Lurking Subject: looking for suggestions - late model bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I supposed I could spend hours researching on-line, but thought one of you more informed readers could help out. First, is there an 'all inclusive' website out there where someone could do a search of used bikes' specifications? Something along the lines of edmunds.com, but for motorcycles? I have yet to find a site like that, and lemme tell you, I'd be there an awful lot (as I am at edmunds). Secondly, I'm looking for a late model bike, either new or used. I'd like a bike manufactured in the past 5 years (model year 2000 and up). I'd like the bike to be a twin (angle isn't too important), reliable, and at a price under $9K. I lean toward the Japanese bikes, I currently have a '86 Yamaha Radian 600, because they are just bulletproof. I'd consider an Italian or European machine, as long as it won't break down on me often. I've ridden the Radian for 6,000 miles with almost no problems. It's a almost 20 year old bike now, and it still runs smooth and well, even after two spills (while I was learning) and various abuse. Honestly, I'm not a maintenance fiend. I try to take of the bike, but occasionally I let stuff go a little longer then recommended. I need a bike that'll put up with that, and that'll be a joy to ride, as my Radian is. Some other things to note before recommending bikes to me: I'm 6'3", 250lbs so, seat height isn't a huge problem my gf is about 170lbs, so I'd like a bike that could handle the two of us (not many out there that recommend passenger weights of 420lbs...) I'd like decent handling, but it doesn't have to be sportbike like, just not a hulking behemoth. I want to feel mostly upright and comfortable on my machine, but I want to have fun too. I actually have ridden the Radian with my gf on the back. Not for any distance, mind you, but just for short neighborhood runs. I've told her no more riding until I get a bike that can handle the two of us safely. I wouldn't mind having an air cooled bike, but I don't know if they even make those these days. My Radian is air-cooled, and it's never presented a problem. Please give any advice you might have, and if you or a buddy is selling a bike that would fit my 'idea' please let me know. I'm probably going to sell the Radian after I upgrade. If you're interested, inform me. Thanks for your time, -Kipp. "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them." -- Joseph Brodsky - 1987 Nobel Prize winner in Literature - (1940 - 1996) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 11:34:43 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:34:28 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Risks vs. Rewards The subject of personal risk has been on my mind quite a bit lately; in order for me, personally, to feel comfortable participating in an activity, I need to know that the rewards outweigh the risks. An example of this is skydiving. For me, the rewards of flight outweigh the risks associated with it. But I did quite a bit of investigation before I arrived at that conclusion. I looked at what kills people in skydiving, and what can be done to reduce the chance of that happening to me. I took, and continue to take steps to reduce the risk; however, I know one truth exists in skydiving, and it's something that my instructor asked me before my first jump. He said, "I want you to take about 10 minutes to think about this statement -- 'You can do everything exactly right, and still die.'" It was truly eye-openeing, and I very nearly opted to not go. Motorcycling is, as we are all very aware, a potentially dangerous activity. We all have either been down, hurt, or know someone who has. We take steps to mitigate the risks like training, good gear, active observation of the environment, etc. But we know that that is not enough to guarantee our 'safety'. One of the things that I have noticed about myself, is that since I have begun participating in 'dangerous activities', I have become a -great deal- more aware of the risks I take (or am exposed to) in my everyday life. I now take steps to attempt to mitigate some of those risks that I did not previously take. One example is that I wear my seatbelt religously, and I don't mean "just on Sundays". what I am curious about is how have others reacted to the additional risk that motorcycling adds? do other people attempt to reduce risk in other areas of their life, possibly in unconscious ways, reaching a "risk balance"? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 11:48:53 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:48:38 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Lurking Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike Lurking wrote: >Secondly, I'm looking for a late model bike, either new or used. I'd like a bike >manufactured in the past 5 years (model year 2000 and up). I'd like the bike to be a >twin (angle isn't too important), reliable, and at a price under $9K. I lean toward >the Japanese bikes, I currently have a '86 Yamaha Radian 600, because they are just >bulletproof. I'd consider an Italian or European machine, > Honda SuperHawk (VTR1000f) - can be found pretty cheap used and all years are about the same ( 2000+ have different gagues) Aprila Falco - good bike same about the changes ( not too many between years ). Good build quality, not too many dealers tho. Aprila CapNord - same motor as Falco, but its a big "adventure" type bike. Aprila Futra - a VFR type bike, has bags Aprila gets overlooked all the time, they are really good bikes, with maybe the biggest problem being the amount of Aprila's sold here may make it hard to get support ( public and dealer ). You should be able to find good support groups/clubs, and used ones with really decent mods ( handle bar risers, pipes, bags, etc.). Good luck and good choice on wanting a Twin, Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 11:56:16 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:55:03 -0500 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike Kipp, I've been really pleased with my 2003 Victory Classic Cruiser. It's a v-twin 1500cc air/oil cooled. Fuel injected, belt drive, OHC, and a low mileage used one would probably easily fit in your price range. I could go on and on about it's attributes. Email me off list if you'd like some pics or more information. -Rob Norris On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:21:27 -0800 (PST), Lurking wrote: > I supposed I could spend hours researching on-line, but thought one of you more > informed readers could help out. > > First, is there an 'all inclusive' website out there where someone could do a search of > used bikes' specifications? Something along the lines of edmunds.com, but for > motorcycles? I have yet to find a site like that, and lemme tell you, I'd be there an > awful lot (as I am at edmunds). > > Secondly, I'm looking for a late model bike, either new or used. I'd like a bike > manufactured in the past 5 years (model year 2000 and up). I'd like the bike to be a > twin (angle isn't too important), reliable, and at a price under $9K. I lean toward > the Japanese bikes, I currently have a '86 Yamaha Radian 600, because they are just > bulletproof. I'd consider an Italian or European machine, as long as it won't break > down on me often. I've ridden the Radian for 6,000 miles with almost no problems. > It's a almost 20 year old bike now, and it still runs smooth and well, even after two > spills (while I was learning) and various abuse. > > Honestly, I'm not a maintenance fiend. I try to take of the bike, but occasionally I > let stuff go a little longer then recommended. I need a bike that'll put up with that, > and that'll be a joy to ride, as my Radian is. > > Some other things to note before recommending bikes to me: > I'm 6'3", 250lbs so, seat height isn't a huge problem > my gf is about 170lbs, so I'd like a bike that could handle the two of us (not many out > there that recommend passenger weights of 420lbs...) > I'd like decent handling, but it doesn't have to be sportbike like, just not a hulking > behemoth. > I want to feel mostly upright and comfortable on my machine, but I want to have fun > too. > > I actually have ridden the Radian with my gf on the back. Not for any distance, mind > you, but just for short neighborhood runs. I've told her no more riding until I get a > bike that can handle the two of us safely. I wouldn't mind having an air cooled bike, > but I don't know if they even make those these days. My Radian is air-cooled, and it's > never presented a problem. > > Please give any advice you might have, and if you or a buddy is selling a bike that > would fit my 'idea' please let me know. I'm probably going to sell the Radian after I > upgrade. If you're interested, inform me. > > Thanks for your time, > -Kipp. > > "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading > them." -- Joseph Brodsky - 1987 Nobel Prize winner in Literature - (1940 - 1996) > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 12:00:04 2005 Subject: Future Bike Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:59:58 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: The future?? http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/03/17/quiet.bike.reut/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 12:06:37 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:06:26 -0500 To: skip From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX At 11:11 AM 3/17/05 -0500, skip wrote: >yet another reason I avoid going DC. It's a shame, because there is a >lot of good 'culture' in DC, like Smithsonian Museums, etc. > >I refuse to expose myself to those risks unnecessarily. Same here. I *very* seldom go into D.C., and that's a big part of the reason. I've seen D.C. cops behave *very* unprofessionally (i.e. if it wasn't for the badge and uniform I'd have thought they were high school gang members) and had those in charge do absolutely nothing about it when it was reported to them. The only times I've ridden in the District were for Rolling Thunder last May and a brief bit on I-295 heading for a poker run in southern Maryland. I expect the only time I'll ride there this year is for Rolling Thunder. D.C. and its government are unpleasant, dangerous, and unreasonable...and have very little to make putting up with that worth it. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 12:11:04 2005 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Risks vs. Rewards Content-ID: <6240.1111079461.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:11:01 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >what I am curious about is how have others reacted to the additional >risk that motorcycling adds? do other people attempt to reduce risk in >other areas of their life, possibly in unconscious ways, reaching a >"risk balance"? I've been a "hobbyist" pilot of small airplanes for a little over a year, and a motorcyclist for 20, and this topic seems to be treated similarly by both camps. There's a tendency for "outsiders" to declare them both dangerous for "anecdotal reasons". This is the old "I know somebody who died doing that, so it's dangerous, so you shouldn't do that." This is dumb, because anecdotal evidence only proves that something's possible, which we already knew, it doesn't help you determine risk. It's "possible" to die from doing anything, or to die from doing nothing at all, what we really want to know is the probability that something will result in death. A common response from "insiders" in both camps is to say "well, at least I'll die doing something I love." You hear this all the time, but if that's all a person has to say on the subject, it's pretty dopey. If an activity has a 10% chance of killing me today, I pretty much don't care how much I like that activity, I'll do something else. I need to have some idea of "risk", and that's inherently a probability. How do you determine this probability? You can't, but you can get a ballpark figure by looking at accident statistics. When beginning the flying thing, I did just this. I was surprised to find that the chance of dying in 100 hours of "little plane" flying wasn't all that different from the chance of dying in 100 hours of motorcycling. Driving cars was significantly safer than both, and flying the airlines was even safer than driving. So, in the end, when I get on my bike, or in a small plane, I know there's a chance that I'll die there. Whether this happens as a result of my own screw-up or something "beyond my control" doesn't really matter to me, it's the same effect in the end. But I also know that this probability is "fairly small", and that there are actions I can take that help to keep it well below the "average rate". Given a finite lifespan anyway, if you keep your risks "fairly small", they won't have a significant effect on your life expectancy (which is short anyway). Oddly enough, all this analysis, triggered by an interest in flying, has made me more skittish about motorcycling. I still ride, of course, but I have extremely paranoid (conservative?) practices as regards other traffic. -harry p.s. Note that if somebody discovers a cure for aging and our natural life expectancy shoots up to 500 years, all this math needs to be revisited! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 12:39:48 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:39:32 EST Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/17/2005 12:07:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > >yet another reason I avoid going DC. It's a shame, because there is a > >lot of good 'culture' in DC, I often work at one of those "good culture" places (live theater) and do ride back and fourth but it is just inside the district and a simple ride from where I live. (I did install a pager type alarm to protect the bike when there.) For anything else inside the district I use the free parking for motorcycles at a metro station. I HATE riding in the district. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 12:51:13 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:50:57 EST Subject: Re: Risks vs. Rewards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/17/2005 12:11:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, harry@XXXXXX writes: > There's a tendency for "outsiders" to declare them both dangerous > for "anecdotal reasons". This is the old "I know somebody who > died doing that, Whenever someone says something like "be careful on that thing" or any of the thousands of comments to that effect that we all get all the time I reply something like "be careful driving that car, those thing do not handle worth a damn!" A lot more people die in cars every day then die on motorcycles so "obviously" they are more dangerous. Right? I still want to know when and how the paradigm shift occurred that changed things from quality of life over quantity to quantity over quality. No matter what you do you _will_ die and 100 years or so from now _no_one_ will know you ever lived, or care. The only thing that matters is the quality of the life _you_ led, the length makes no difference at all in the end. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 13:00:40 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:00:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd To: cledford@XXXXXX, DCCycles Dear Calvin Ledford, Do you ever wonder what interesting thread we digesters are interupting with yesterdays issues? Ah well: You)B’ve received lotsa good comments. Keeping the hands warm is a booger. Here)B’s my 2[Alt]155 from last Fall. Summary: Electric gloves> grip heaters> Big Fuzzy gloves. Another centavo: Great neck warmer )B– Get a 1/4 yard strip of Polartec Windbloc at a fabric store (e.g.: G Street). Cut it to length and fabric glue Velcro to the ends. And a pfenning: The Container Store (& others) have sheets of urethane foam for packing. Buy some strips of the thin stuff (~buck). It)B’s great thin insulation for the thighs or other exposed areas. Stuff it under your riding pants. Protect the edges with duct tape and it)B’ll last for years. Was: That time of year Gear "Julian Halton" Julian chummed with: "Does anyone have recommendations on a glove for the winter season?" Aww lotsa good recommendations but I'll throw in my 2[Alt]155 [JH]: My reqs: - keep hands warm enough to ride through season [Carl]: Gerbing electrics are the cat's pajamas when it gets really frosty. Yeah, they cost a bunch; you can usually get 10-15% off looking for local open houses and coupons in WRMT. For intermediate cool-weather, grip heaters are great with any gloves. Get the over-the-grip ones for immediate relief. Put a switch on your left mirror stalk within thumb reach unless you opt for a Heat Troller. (Drop a hint for Xmas) I've tried a lot of combinations (below) but the Gerbings are the best when it gets really cold: Hippo Hands: Great for around town but on the highway at speed, the top pressed on my hands. Overmitts: OR mitts (at REI) are great for anytime rainy weather and add some warmth to whatever you have under them. Need to put some beads of Goop over the palms to improve grip traction. I'd guess that the Aerostitch Triple Digit glove cover (Thanx to JW Kalmes) would be better. Paste "glove cover" in the search Mittens: I actually got some motorcycle mittens 10-12 years ago. Had to special order them. They were an improvement over regular gloves. Neoprene Gloves: Wally Mert has 'em during hunting season for ~$10. Nice warm and rain proof. But, I got the willies thinking about how much traction they'd have if I took a spill. Maybe best as a liner? "Winter Gloves": See cheap below. Any bulky glove with a large gauntlet is difficult to keep in a pocket. After I lost a Bates (& they wouldn't sell me one glove) I put bootstrings on all of my big gloves. The string fits around my neck during and after driving. When you park, the hanging love provides a handy pocket for keys and shades. You can often score "winter gloves" at local open houses. May be the Italian Motofest. this weekend FWIW, Bartley's upstairs "clearance" rack has/had some gen-u-wine Hardley "Storm Thingie" gloves for $20. I bought a pair and plan to spritz 'm with CampDry. If naught else, they'll be good for shoveling snow or waiting for the bus. [JH]: - allow decent grip control no Franken-hands Warm, light and cheap. Sure, which two will you settle for? [JH]:I have thought about heated gear but am wondering: - does re-wiring bike impact performance\life in an way? [Carl]: No (& amen to the others' comments) To add to Bartman's comment. Radio Shack also has some 10 gauge water-resistant blade-fuse holders. I've simply soldered a ring connector to one end to hook to the positive battery terminal. That keeps the unfused segment short. You should also consider putting a relay twixt the fuse and the electrics. Use an ignition-switched source to switch the relay on and off so, you don't drain the battery accidently if you leave your gloves attached. Put a switch (or HeatTroller) between the ignition-switched source and the relay. Other: Also consider a Polartec sweater for a jacket liner. My 200 fits under my 'Stich and is good down to ~ 35F (with a wind shield) Ditto Polartec pants. Ditto a swatch of Polartec from G Street fabrics to wrap or Velcro around your neck. Last penny: Add driving lights to increase your conspicuity. If they see you, they'll usually not hit you because of paint scratches, those bothersome traffic police, and the humorless insurance folks. Carl in Bethesda __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 13:00:57 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:00:44 EST Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/17/2005 10:53:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Overall it works out about the same for the big companies...they are on the > good side as much as the bad so their payments are about the same over > time, I lived in a state that initiated no fault while I was there. They _quickly_ had to exclude motorcycles because in two vehicle accidents the cage was almost always at fault. In a message dated 3/17/2005 10:55:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, lister@XXXXXX writes: > In no-fault, the insurance companies will take statements from both parties, > then analyze the accounts to assign fault to determine whose company pays > damages. Sorry but no. In "no fault" _your_ insurance pays for damage to _your_ vehicle without regard to who was at fault. The idea was to save all of the investigative and court costs involved in determining who was at fault. As stated above "they are on the good side as much as the bad so their payments are about the same over time." The insurance companies hoped to save on litigation costs and it was _them_ that initiated the idea. The key was that EVERYONE was legally required for the first time to carry insurance. That was the scam. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 13:01:36 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike To: Lurking , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Kipp - You might look at the Suzuki V-Strom, either the 650 or 1000. Twin (based on the SV motor) with upright riding position. If you're willing to consider an inline-4, you might also look at the Suzuki Bandit. Of course, I'm partial to the Bandit myself. Brian '03 Bandit 1200s Farklewagon --- Lurking wrote: > I supposed I could spend hours researching on-line, > but thought one of you more > informed readers could help out. > > First, is there an 'all inclusive' website out there > where someone could do a search of > used bikes' specifications? Something along the > lines of edmunds.com, but for > motorcycles? I have yet to find a site like that, > and lemme tell you, I'd be there an > awful lot (as I am at edmunds). > > Secondly, I'm looking for a late model bike, either > new or used. I'd like a bike > manufactured in the past 5 years (model year 2000 > and up). I'd like the bike to be a > twin (angle isn't too important), reliable, and at a > price under $9K. I lean toward > the Japanese bikes, I currently have a '86 Yamaha > Radian 600, because they are just > bulletproof. I'd consider an Italian or European > machine, as long as it won't break > down on me often. I've ridden the Radian for 6,000 > miles with almost no problems. > It's a almost 20 year old bike now, and it still > runs smooth and well, even after two > spills (while I was learning) and various abuse. > > Honestly, I'm not a maintenance fiend. I try to > take of the bike, but occasionally I > let stuff go a little longer then recommended. I > need a bike that'll put up with that, > and that'll be a joy to ride, as my Radian is. > > Some other things to note before recommending bikes > to me: > I'm 6'3", 250lbs so, seat height isn't a huge > problem > my gf is about 170lbs, so I'd like a bike that could > handle the two of us (not many out > there that recommend passenger weights of 420lbs...) > I'd like decent handling, but it doesn't have to be > sportbike like, just not a hulking > behemoth. > I want to feel mostly upright and comfortable on my > machine, but I want to have fun > too. > > > I actually have ridden the Radian with my gf on the > back. Not for any distance, mind > you, but just for short neighborhood runs. I've > told her no more riding until I get a > bike that can handle the two of us safely. I > wouldn't mind having an air cooled bike, > but I don't know if they even make those these days. > My Radian is air-cooled, and it's > never presented a problem. > > Please give any advice you might have, and if you or > a buddy is selling a bike that > would fit my 'idea' please let me know. I'm > probably going to sell the Radian after I > upgrade. If you're interested, inform me. > > Thanks for your time, > -Kipp. > > "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of > them is not reading > them." -- Joseph Brodsky - 1987 Nobel Prize winner > in Literature - (1940 - 1996) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 13:09:25 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:09:16 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike To: Lurking , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Depending on how critical the want for a v-twin is, I do have a recommendation. Kaw ZRX1200. It is an inline-4, but provides a solid platform for passenger load and provides sport-bike handling with an upright riding position. It has a very torquey motor (similar to v-twin?) and has all the get-up-and-go you could ever ask for. They also seem to be bullet-proof. The classic styling isn't everyone's choice, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Price is right in your range also, and if you're considering used - they do depreciate pretty quickly, so there are some real bargains out there. I bought one for many of the reasons you're looking for. If I can be of any help, let me know. - Jimmy --- Lurking wrote: > > Secondly, I'm looking for a late model bike, either new or used. > I'd like a bike > manufactured in the past 5 years (model year 2000 and up). I'd > like the bike to be a > twin (angle isn't too important), reliable, and at a price under > $9K. I lean toward > the Japanese bikes, I currently have a '86 Yamaha Radian 600, > because they are just > bulletproof. I'd consider an Italian or European machine, as long > as it won't break > down on me often. I've ridden the Radian for 6,000 miles with > almost no problems. > It's a almost 20 year old bike now, and it still runs smooth and > well, even after two > spills (while I was learning) and various abuse. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 15:19:20 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:19:10 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Lurking Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A BMW R1150R or R1150GS sounds like just the ticket. They can be had for less than $9K, are easily-serviced but not too maintenance intensive (shaft drive, e.g.,), and can certainly handle the rider/passenger load you discuss + luggage. > --- Lurking wrote: > > > > Secondly, I'm looking for a late model bike, either new or used. > > I'd like a bike > > manufactured in the past 5 years (model year 2000 and up). I'd > > like the bike to be a > > twin (angle isn't too important), reliable, and at a price under > > $9K. I lean toward > > the Japanese bikes, I currently have a '86 Yamaha Radian 600, > > because they are just > > bulletproof. I'd consider an Italian or European machine, as long > > as it won't break > > down on me often. I've ridden the Radian for 6,000 miles with > > almost no problems. > > It's a almost 20 year old bike now, and it still runs smooth and > > well, even after two > > spills (while I was learning) and various abuse. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 15:20:40 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:20:33 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: FS: 2003 SV650 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, A friend is selling his SV... here's the 411: 2003 Suzuki SV650 in Ducati red! 5400 miles. Street and track-ready! Full Shark Skinz bodywork, frame sliders, CFM rear-sets and clip-ons, SS front brake lines. Fox remote shock, Metzler Sportec tires, Fender eliminator kit, M4 slip-on. Extra stock parts and original stock tires (Dunlop Sportmax 220). Price $3900 Please e-mail Dillon at for pictures. JK John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 16:06:24 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: looking for suggestions - late model bike Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:06:16 -0500 Suzuki SV1000, came out in '03, VTwin, sit upright, plenty of power for you and the mrs. They aren't the best sellers, therefore can be found pretty cheap. I have a SV650S btw. >From: Lurking >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: looking for suggestions - late model bike >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:21:27 -0800 (PST) > >I supposed I could spend hours researching on-line, but thought one of you >more >informed readers could help out. > >First, is there an 'all inclusive' website out there where someone could do >a search of >used bikes' specifications? Something along the lines of edmunds.com, but >for >motorcycles? I have yet to find a site like that, and lemme tell you, I'd >be there an >awful lot (as I am at edmunds). > >Secondly, I'm looking for a late model bike, either new or used. I'd like >a bike >manufactured in the past 5 years (model year 2000 and up). I'd like the >bike to be a >twin (angle isn't too important), reliable, and at a price under $9K. I >lean toward >the Japanese bikes, I currently have a '86 Yamaha Radian 600, because they >are just >bulletproof. I'd consider an Italian or European machine, as long as it >won't break >down on me often. I've ridden the Radian for 6,000 miles with almost no >problems. >It's a almost 20 year old bike now, and it still runs smooth and well, even >after two >spills (while I was learning) and various abuse. > >Honestly, I'm not a maintenance fiend. I try to take of the bike, but >occasionally I >let stuff go a little longer then recommended. I need a bike that'll put >up with that, >and that'll be a joy to ride, as my Radian is. > >Some other things to note before recommending bikes to me: >I'm 6'3", 250lbs so, seat height isn't a huge problem >my gf is about 170lbs, so I'd like a bike that could handle the two of us >(not many out >there that recommend passenger weights of 420lbs...) >I'd like decent handling, but it doesn't have to be sportbike like, just >not a hulking >behemoth. >I want to feel mostly upright and comfortable on my machine, but I want to >have fun >too. > > >I actually have ridden the Radian with my gf on the back. Not for any >distance, mind >you, but just for short neighborhood runs. I've told her no more riding >until I get a >bike that can handle the two of us safely. I wouldn't mind having an air >cooled bike, >but I don't know if they even make those these days. My Radian is >air-cooled, and it's >never presented a problem. > >Please give any advice you might have, and if you or a buddy is selling a >bike that >would fit my 'idea' please let me know. I'm probably going to sell the >Radian after I >upgrade. If you're interested, inform me. > >Thanks for your time, >-Kipp. > >"There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading >them." -- Joseph Brodsky - 1987 Nobel Prize winner in Literature - (1940 - >1996) > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Make Yahoo! your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 17:55:45 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Julian Halton" , Subject: Re: Future Bike Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:55:36 -0500 On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:59:58 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > The future?? > > http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/03/17/quiet.bike.reut/index.html Powered by a high pressure hydrogen fuel cell, the Emissions Neutral Vehicle (ENV) produces the equivalent noise of a personal computer fan belt. That reminds me I need to change my PC fan belts. hahaha Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 18:07:01 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "lister lynch" , Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:07:02 -0500 I had a friend car jacked in DC and when the police found the guy who did it, he had crashed the car into a retaining wall. Probably hard to drive when your hopped up on whatever drugs. So anyways they brought the perp over to her house so she could ID him. I am not an officer or a lawyer, but I think it's a bad idea to bring the perp to the victims homes for ID. Aren't you supposed to do that stuff at the station behind 1 way glass? She had to deal with the guys family calling her and stopping by tring to get her to drop the charges on a now 3 time offender. She is stuck living there because of a lease, but man I can't understand wanting to deal with even the possibility of that thing happening to me. I don't like to go into DC except to go to like the Nation mall area. Regards, Rob On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:39:53 -0500, lister lynch wrote > MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report for "fender > benders" because the District has gone to a policy of no-fault > accidents. What a load of bulllshit. Bet they got the whole thing > on video in that intersection. > > Mike -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 18:13:43 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: looking for suggestions - late model bike Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:13:41 -0500 Someone mentioned Aprilla earlier and I know that the posters said having a dependable, forgiving powertrain was a factor in their decision. So I though I would add that I am pretty sure Aprilla uses the Suzuki 996 Vtwin. Rob On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:06:16 -0500, rich hall wrote > Suzuki SV1000, came out in '03, VTwin, sit upright, plenty of power > for you and the mrs. They aren't the best sellers, therefore can be > found pretty cheap. I have a SV650S btw. > > >From: Lurking > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: looking for suggestions - late model bike > >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:21:27 -0800 (PST) > > > >I supposed I could spend hours researching on-line, but thought one of you > >more > >informed readers could help out. > > > >First, is there an 'all inclusive' website out there where someone could do > >a search of > >used bikes' specifications? Something along the lines of edmunds.com, but > >for > >motorcycles? I have yet to find a site like that, and lemme tell you, I'd > >be there an > >awful lot (as I am at edmunds). > > > >Secondly, I'm looking for a late model bike, either new or used. I'd like > >a bike > >manufactured in the past 5 years (model year 2000 and up). I'd like the > >bike to be a > >twin (angle isn't too important), reliable, and at a price under $9K. I > >lean toward > >the Japanese bikes, I currently have a '86 Yamaha Radian 600, because they > >are just > >bulletproof. I'd consider an Italian or European machine, as long as it > >won't break > >down on me often. I've ridden the Radian for 6,000 miles with almost no > >problems. > >It's a almost 20 year old bike now, and it still runs smooth and well, even > >after two > >spills (while I was learning) and various abuse. > > > >Honestly, I'm not a maintenance fiend. I try to take of the bike, but > >occasionally I > >let stuff go a little longer then recommended. I need a bike that'll put > >up with that, > >and that'll be a joy to ride, as my Radian is. > > > >Some other things to note before recommending bikes to me: > >I'm 6'3", 250lbs so, seat height isn't a huge problem > >my gf is about 170lbs, so I'd like a bike that could handle the two of us > >(not many out > >there that recommend passenger weights of 420lbs...) > >I'd like decent handling, but it doesn't have to be sportbike like, just > >not a hulking > >behemoth. > >I want to feel mostly upright and comfortable on my machine, but I want to > >have fun > >too. > > > > > >I actually have ridden the Radian with my gf on the back. Not for any > >distance, mind > >you, but just for short neighborhood runs. I've told her no more riding > >until I get a > >bike that can handle the two of us safely. I wouldn't mind having an air > >cooled bike, > >but I don't know if they even make those these days. My Radian is > >air-cooled, and it's > >never presented a problem. > > > >Please give any advice you might have, and if you or a buddy is selling a > >bike that > >would fit my 'idea' please let me know. I'm probably going to sell the > >Radian after I > >upgrade. If you're interested, inform me. > > > >Thanks for your time, > >-Kipp. > > > >"There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading > >them." -- Joseph Brodsky - 1987 Nobel Prize winner in Literature - (1940 - > >1996) > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Make Yahoo! your home page > >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 18:16:13 2005 From: Daniel To: "Mike B." Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? - no fault Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:16:01 -0500 So what if you're sitting on your bike in a parking spot and some jack ass hits you.. is that no fault too? On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:52:20 -0500, "Mike B." wrote: >At 07:42 AM 3/17/05 -0800, jeff schmidt wrote: >>What is a "no-fault accident?" I can't imagine that >>the insurance companies like that policy. Without a >>police report assigning blame, everyone would have to >>carry comprehensive insurance, unless I'm missing >>something. > >Nope, that's pretty much the situation. Insurance companies did fight >against "no fault" laws, but some states passed them anyway (so much for >the power of "big insurance"). Insurance rates adjusted accordingly. >Overall it works out about the same for the big companies...they are on the >good side as much as the bad so their payments are about the same over >time, and they are covered by premiums anyway...plus profit. > >Have you heard that Maryland is working on a law that will fine anyone >making over $55,000 a year who doesn't have medical insurance? 1% of >annual income is the fine amount in the version they reported on the radio >yesterday. Time to move out before they start changing the top post names >to things like "Chairman" and "Commissar"...the frogs here are too boiled >to be outraged... > >I think the ones in the District must be completely dead to put up with the >government they keep electing there. Maybe it wasn't just the mayor who >was on crack? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 18:21:13 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Rob Sharp" , "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: looking for suggestions - late model bike Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:21:14 -0500 Nevermind. I dunno why I thought they did. They don't Rob On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:13:41 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote > Someone mentioned Aprilla earlier and I know that the posters said > having a dependable, forgiving powertrain was a factor in their > decision. > > So I though I would add that I am pretty sure Aprilla uses the > Suzuki 996 Vtwin. > > Rob > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:06:16 -0500, rich hall wrote > > Suzuki SV1000, came out in '03, VTwin, sit upright, plenty of power > > for you and the mrs. They aren't the best sellers, therefore can be > > found pretty cheap. I have a SV650S btw. > > > > >From: Lurking > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: looking for suggestions - late model bike > > >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:21:27 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >I supposed I could spend hours researching on-line, but thought one of you > > >more > > >informed readers could help out. > > > > > >First, is there an 'all inclusive' website out there where someone could do > > >a search of > > >used bikes' specifications? Something along the lines of edmunds.com, but > > >for > > >motorcycles? I have yet to find a site like that, and lemme tell you, I'd > > >be there an > > >awful lot (as I am at edmunds). > > > > > >Secondly, I'm looking for a late model bike, either new or used. I'd like > > >a bike > > >manufactured in the past 5 years (model year 2000 and up). I'd like the > > >bike to be a > > >twin (angle isn't too important), reliable, and at a price under $9K. I > > >lean toward > > >the Japanese bikes, I currently have a '86 Yamaha Radian 600, because they > > >are just > > >bulletproof. I'd consider an Italian or European machine, as long as it > > >won't break > > >down on me often. I've ridden the Radian for 6,000 miles with almost no > > >problems. > > >It's a almost 20 year old bike now, and it still runs smooth and well, even > > >after two > > >spills (while I was learning) and various abuse. > > > > > >Honestly, I'm not a maintenance fiend. I try to take of the bike, but > > >occasionally I > > >let stuff go a little longer then recommended. I need a bike that'll put > > >up with that, > > >and that'll be a joy to ride, as my Radian is. > > > > > >Some other things to note before recommending bikes to me: > > >I'm 6'3", 250lbs so, seat height isn't a huge problem > > >my gf is about 170lbs, so I'd like a bike that could handle the two of us > > >(not many out > > >there that recommend passenger weights of 420lbs...) > > >I'd like decent handling, but it doesn't have to be sportbike like, just > > >not a hulking > > >behemoth. > > >I want to feel mostly upright and comfortable on my machine, but I want to > > >have fun > > >too. > > > > > > > > >I actually have ridden the Radian with my gf on the back. Not for any > > >distance, mind > > >you, but just for short neighborhood runs. I've told her no more riding > > >until I get a > > >bike that can handle the two of us safely. I wouldn't mind having an air > > >cooled bike, > > >but I don't know if they even make those these days. My Radian is > > >air-cooled, and it's > > >never presented a problem. > > > > > >Please give any advice you might have, and if you or a buddy is selling a > > >bike that > > >would fit my 'idea' please let me know. I'm probably going to sell the > > >Radian after I > > >upgrade. If you're interested, inform me. > > > > > >Thanks for your time, > > >-Kipp. > > > > > >"There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading > > >them." -- Joseph Brodsky - 1987 Nobel Prize winner in Literature - (1940 - > > >1996) > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Make Yahoo! your home page > > >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 18:39:54 2005 From: Daniel To: skip Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Risks vs. Rewards Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:39:33 -0500 That's how my mind works.. I've become a little more reserved in my riding now that I'm responsible for someone else for the next few decades. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 18:50:44 2005 From: Daniel To: Harry Mantakos Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Risks vs. Rewards Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:50:31 -0500 I recall reading somewhere that percentage wise, mc riders vs cage drivers, a higher percentage of cage drivers die. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 18:57:58 2005 From: Daniel To: "Rob Sharp" Cc: "lister lynch" , Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:57:33 -0500 tell your friend to file a law suit against the police dept for negligence... On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:07:02 -0500, "Rob Sharp" wrote: >I had a friend car jacked in DC and when the police found the guy who did it, >he had crashed the car into a retaining wall. Probably hard to drive when >your hopped up on whatever drugs. > >So anyways they brought the perp over to her house so she could ID him. I am >not an officer or a lawyer, but I think it's a bad idea to bring the perp to >the victims homes for ID. Aren't you supposed to do that stuff at the station >behind 1 way glass? > >She had to deal with the guys family calling her and stopping by tring to get >her to drop the charges on a now 3 time offender. She is stuck living there >because of a lease, but man I can't understand wanting to deal with even the >possibility of that thing happening to me. > >I don't like to go into DC except to go to like the Nation mall area. > >Regards, > >Rob > >On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:39:53 -0500, lister lynch wrote >> MPD showed up. They don't issue a police report for "fender >> benders" because the District has gone to a policy of no-fault >> accidents. What a load of bulllshit. Bet they got the whole thing >> on video in that intersection. >> >> Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 20:00:34 2005 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Risks vs. Rewards Content-ID: <8195.1111107629.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:00:29 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >I recall reading somewhere that percentage wise, mc riders vs cage >drivers, a higher percentage of cage drivers die. Based on the info presented here: http://hazmat.dot.gov/riskmgmt/riskcompare.htm You could claim that riding 100 miles on a motorcycle is about 13 times more likely to result in death than driving 100 miles in a car. You'd correctly surmise from this that motorcycling is more dangerous than driving a car. Of course, there are other ways to spin these numbers. For instance, you could (bogusly) say that a person is 19 times more likely to die in a car than on a motorcycle. This is cheating, of course, since most people never ride motorcycles. This comparison would be similar to pointing out that far more people die in their sleep than from playing Russian Roulette. Another twist, though, that almost makes sense, is that if you drive 13 times as many miles in your car as you do on your motorcycle, then the chance of dying in your car would be equal to the chance of dying in your motorcycle. It's almost an interesting number, I wonder what the average is for a "motorcyclist", if we define that as somebody who owns a motorcycle. If this average is more than 13, for instance if a typical motorcyclist puts 13000 miles on his car in a year but less than 1000 miles on his bike, then you could make the claim that a motorcyclist is more likely to die in his car than on his bike, but only because he rides his bike so little. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 20:27:18 2005 From: To: "'John Kozyn'" , Subject: RE: 2003 SV650 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:29:13 -0500 You can see pics of the SV here http://www.twowheelsgood.net/dillon/dillon.html -----Original Message----- From: John Kozyn [mailto:mr_vfr@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 2003 SV650 Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, A friend is selling his SV... here's the 411: 2003 Suzuki SV650 in Ducati red! 5400 miles. Street and track-ready! Full Shark Skinz bodywork, frame sliders, CFM rear-sets and clip-ons, SS front brake lines. Fox remote shock, Metzler Sportec tires, Fender eliminator kit, M4 slip-on. Extra stock parts and original stock tires (Dunlop Sportmax 220). Price $3900 Please e-mail Dillon at for pictures. JK John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 23:05:29 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:05:46 -0500 To: Daniel From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Cc: Unlikely to work, especially in D.C.. D.C. courts have already ruled that the police are not there to protect you, they are there to act as a "general deterrent" to crime (by investigating and making arrests after the fact mostly) and have no responsibility to protect anyone. If getting an ID on the perp serves to promote the "general deterrent" task they can probably get away with it, even if it endangers a few individuals...same as high speed chases do. It isn't negligence, it's their job. Now, don't you feel better about the D.C. government violating the Constitution and making sure you have no effective means to defend yourself there either? No wonder the crime rate is so high... -- Mike B. At 06:57 PM 3/17/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: >tell your friend to file a law suit against the police dept for >negligence... > >On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:07:02 -0500, "Rob Sharp" >wrote: >>So anyways they brought the perp over to her house so she could ID him. I am >>not an officer or a lawyer, but I think it's a bad idea to bring the perp to >>the victims homes for ID. Aren't you supposed to do that stuff at the station >>behind 1 way glass? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 23:14:35 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:14:43 -0500 To: Harry Mantakos , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Risks vs. Rewards At 08:00 PM 3/17/05 -0500, Harry Mantakos wrote: >If this average is more than 13, for instance if a typical >motorcyclist puts 13000 miles on his car in a year but less >than 1000 miles on his bike, then you could make the claim that >a motorcyclist is more likely to die in his car than on his bike, >but only because he rides his bike so little. >-harry If a motorcyclist only rides 1000 miles a year he's almost always riding while out of practice (assuming the 1000 miles isn't all from one trip, but is spread out fairly evenly over at least the warm months) and that has to be a factor too. You'd have to compare those figures to car drivers who don't drive very much either. They do the same games with airline safety figures, using "passenger miles" rather than "flight hours" for instance. At 600 mph you rack up a lot of miles in an hour, but at only 5 hours coast to coast you don't rack up a lot of hours even if you are a frequent flier...but the crash count is the same either way. Which one gives the best "safety rating" when compared to cars? Deaths per passenger mile I expect...the one they tend to use to tout safety records. -- Mike B. -- "People commonly use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost: for support rather than for illumination." --Mark Twain From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 23:18:35 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:18:24 -0500 A familiar-to-you Yamaha solution seems worthy of a look - a V-Max. The above-average payloads mentioned could benefit from the extra V-Max punch. The riding posture is intermediate. And they've been around for a while - gotta love long-in-tooth, wrinkle-free models. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Jealous of V-Maxes. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 23:19:34 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:19:23 -0800 (PST) From: Lurking Subject: finite lifespan, math revisted if cure is found To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Math geeks beware, calculating how long, and probabilities may add undue stress, thereby reducing your life expectancy. -opinion of Lurking444 on 2005/03/17, harry@XXXXXX wrote: p.s. Note that if somebody discovers a cure for aging and our natural life expectancy shoots up to 500 years, all this math needs to be revisited! "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them." -- Joseph Brodsky - 1987 Nobel Prize winner in Literature - (1940 - 1996) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 17 23:41:35 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:41:24 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike At 11:18 PM 3/17/05 -0500, W.S. wrote: >A familiar-to-you Yamaha solution seems worthy of a look - a V-Max. > The above-average payloads mentioned could benefit from the extra >V-Max punch. Do the more recent models still have that butterfly valve in the intake manifold so that when RPMs get high enough you start feeding each cylinder with two carbs rather than one? The early models had a strange s-shaped power curve that could reportedly be problematic for inexperienced riders...or even experienced ones not used to it. For instance, one magazine reviewer said that he was accelerating out of a curve and when the extra power hit as the valve opened it broke the rear wheel loose and the guard rail started getting close in a hurry...he recommended that new riders stay the hell off the bike, but that experienced ones looking for some thrills go get one immediately if I remember correctly. I knew a guy in the 80s who had one and he loved it. Cool looking bike too. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 18 07:41:22 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:41:07 EST Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/17/2005 11:41:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > he recommended that new > riders stay the hell off the bike, but that experienced ones looking for > some thrills go get one immediately if I remember correctly. I fondly remember watching a corvette in my mirror get very small, very fast one time while riding Mr. Max. I heard a talk by the guy who was responsible for development of the V-Max. He said he wanted to create a bike that said "Bad Dude" when you looked at it. Of course it is a V-4, not a twin like the guy wants. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 18 10:14:03 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:13:58 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike > I supposed I could spend hours researching on-line, but thought one of you more > informed readers could help out. Your list sounds like my list. Check out the Suzuki VStrom 1000 - the 650 might be a little weak if you're touring with girlfriend. I have about 10K miles on mine so far (I haven't been as attentive as I should be) and really like it - fast, handles well, sit upright with feet directly underneath, carries lots of crap (with bags nd topbox), comfortable on a long day (800 miles is my best single day to date), and relatively inexpensive. What's not to like? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 18 11:45:27 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:43:22 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike At 07:41 AM 3/18/05 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >I heard a talk by the guy who was responsible for development of the V-Max. >He said he wanted to create a bike that said "Bad Dude" when you looked at it. It did that! Motor was the first thing you saw from almost any angle, and the next thing was those "intake scoops" on either side. Generally muscular looking bike...that had really great performance in its day too...as you point out. >Of course it is a V-4, not a twin like the guy wants. True, but maybe he'd compromise. At least it's Japanese. ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 18 14:36:35 2005 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:36:21 -0500 Subject: Seca rebuild advice My 1992 Seca II has a (currently) disassembled front brake caliper and front master cylinder. They need to be rebuilt. I think they have never been disassembled, cleaned and/or replaced, and tuned. I've had the bike for a year. I've been pricing new parts (about $400 for everything I need), used parts (about $175, not sure if it's going to include everything I need), and piece-meal replacement of the really *scary* parts (probably $100, but could be more expensive). I have the shop manual, and used it to disassemble everything -- but I'm a bit lost about how to go buying the parts for and doing this work myself. I know I don't want to take it to a mechanic. Any thoughts and/or suggestions? I live in Alexandria, VA if that matters. Thanks, -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 18 15:47:55 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:47:49 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Seca rebuild advice > My 1992 Seca II has a (currently) disassembled front brake caliper and > front master cylinder. They need to be rebuilt. I think they have > never been disassembled, cleaned and/or replaced, and tuned. I've had > the bike for a year. > > I've been pricing new parts (about $400 for everything I need), used > parts (about $175, not sure if it's going to include everything I need), > and piece-meal replacement of the really *scary* parts (probably $100, > but could be more expensive). > > I have the shop manual, and used it to disassemble everything -- but I'm > a bit lost about how to go buying the parts for and doing this work myself. Sean - the single most important thing is the condition of the cylinder bore - it needs to be immaculate. The piston can actuually be a wee bit rough, as long as the rubber sealing rings fit. Assuming that the bore isn't too badly corroded, you probably can just have them honed for a couple of bucks by your local brake shop, but you need to know the wear limit before you start this process. Most of the bits that you will need are undoubtedly rubber - seals, dust boots, o-rings, etc. The actual metal bits shouldn't need replacing as long as they aren't corroded internally. External corrosion is cosmetic. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 18 16:42:34 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:42:33 -0500 Back seat looks a little small on a Vmax too. So not fun for a passenger. Rob On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:41:07 EST, PenguinBiker wrote > In a message dated 3/17/2005 11:41:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > omni@XXXXXX writes: > > > he recommended that new > > riders stay the hell off the bike, but that experienced ones looking for > > some thrills go get one immediately if I remember correctly. > > I fondly remember watching a corvette in my mirror get very small, > very fast one time while riding Mr. Max. > > I heard a talk by the guy who was responsible for development of the > V-Max. He said he wanted to create a bike that said "Bad Dude" when > you looked at it. > > Of course it is a V-4, not a twin like the guy wants. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > > 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 18 18:55:07 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Mike B." , Daniel Cc: Subject: Re: What does a VFR imprint in a Jaguar look like? Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:54:52 -0500 My friend has a lawyer and I sure the lawyer is taking care of her. If there is money to be gained in a law suit you sure bet that lawyer is gonna figure out how to do it :) But hypothetically I would argue that by the police show the perp her place of residence they were actually endangering her? Rob On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:05:46 -0500, Mike B. wrote > Unlikely to work, especially in D.C.. D.C. courts have already > ruled that the police are not there to protect you, they are there > to act as a "general deterrent" to crime (by investigating and > making arrests after the fact mostly) and have no responsibility to > protect anyone. If getting an ID on the perp serves to promote the > "general deterrent" task they can probably get away with it, even if > it endangers a few individuals...same as high speed chases do. It > isn't negligence, it's their job. > > Now, don't you feel better about the D.C. government violating the > Constitution and making sure you have no effective means to defend yourself > there either? No wonder the crime rate is so high... > > -- Mike B. > > At 06:57 PM 3/17/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: > >tell your friend to file a law suit against the police dept for > >negligence... > > > >On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:07:02 -0500, "Rob Sharp" > >wrote: > > >>So anyways they brought the perp over to her house so she could ID him. > I am > >>not an officer or a lawyer, but I think it's a bad idea to bring the perp to > >>the victims homes for ID. Aren't you supposed to do that stuff at the > station > >>behind 1 way glass? -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 19 10:28:34 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:28:19 EST Subject: Re: looking for suggestions - late model bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/18/2005 11:45:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > > >Of course it is a V-4, not a twin like the guy wants. > > True, but maybe he'd compromise. I never thought I would see the word compromise and V-Max in the same sentence. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 19 10:39:45 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:39:34 EST Subject: Re: Seca rebuild advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/18/2005 2:36:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, sean@XXXXXX writes: > I've been pricing new parts (about $400 for everything I need), What are you replacing? About all your should "need" to replace would be rubber goomers and pads. The pistons, calipers, and the master (with new rubber) _should_ be fine. > used > parts (about $175, not sure if it's going to include everything I need), And will still need the rubber shituff replaced putting you right back where you are now. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 20 14:19:58 2005 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:19:50 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles Subject: Fwd: [LDRider] Great Link on Why a First Bike should not be a 600cc Sport bike From the LDRider list - good reading Michael J. Morning All, In BC we have a forum Known as "BC Sportbikes" and it has the usual motley collection of "young testosterone loaded noob sport bike riders" and a few old farts like me. I often send the best of their weekly rants to my light twisting friend Michael Smeyers. These rants have the same old pattern 1. Bike thieves must die 2. What is the best local Riding School? 3. A common hate for our provincial insurance company who is obligated to insure them no matter what they do (though after a few tickets and /or upsets the premiums can get interesting). 4. And of course everyone's favorite post "Why as a brand new rider I can handle a 600 cc Sport bike as my first bike" Though I must state however that there is a growing feeling among new riders that with judicious throttle management and "taking it easy" a liter bike is the better way to go for a new but "mature thinking" 18 year old rider. Now I normally get lower abdominal tension (actually a little lower and it is more of a puckering) from just sitting on these bikes in the show room and going "Vroom, Vroom" but then again I am not mature. Tragically, the individuals on this board (new sport bike riders) are killing themselves at a shocking rate - over 20 last year in the greater Vancouver Area. So far this year four have already died and most sport bike riders do not have their bikes on the road to mid April, and the riding school have yet to begin their annual disgorge of new riders by the hundreds onto the roads of Vancouver. The first death of the year was a young man with a beginner's license (2 days) who died riding a new litre bike bought the day before. There is the ubiquitous new riders section on the forum and everyone asks the same questions when they join (sort of like here in a way). The most common is, as previously mentioned, "Why I need a 600cc Sport bike for my first ride." Ok so here is the purpose of this post; one of the young riders on the site cross posted an excellent educational rant on why a 600 sport bike is not the best first choice for a new rider. Here is the link: http://bcsportbikes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45571 Perhaps if any of you have the same sort of forums for Sportbikes in your areas a cross posting of this link might be possible and perhaps helpful. Bill Watt Vancouver, BC _______________________________________________ http://ibdone.org/mailman/options/ldrider_ibdone.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 14:24:47 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:24:38 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: Washington Post online chat In an effort to get more people thinking about legalizing lane-splitting in the congested metro area, I posted to the Post's on-line chat re:metro transportation issues. The complete transcript is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14962-2005Mar7.html Here are the (typical and predictable) responses (I think I manages to get them all...). =========== Adams Morgan, Washington, D.C.: California (and a bunch of foreign countries) allow lane-splitting for motorcycles and other two-wheeled vehicles as a way of reducing traffic and parking congestion due to automobiles. Texas currently has a similar proposal pending. What are the odds that the overly congested D.C.-area would pass legislation to allow lane-splitting? Who would be the best to approach on this issue? Steve Ginsberg: Hello fellow Adams Morgan resident. What in the world is lane-splitting? _______________________ Silver Spring, Md.: Lane splitting is the controversial practice of riding between lanes of traffic. Some riders take the view that the practice should be avoided at all times, while others believe that splitting lanes of stationary traffic can be done safely. Out there on the streets, it's obvious that some riders are prepared to take bigger risks than others. Steve Ginsberg: That's what I figured, but I'm unsure how that would reduce traffic and parking congestion. Seems like a good deal for motorcyclists, though I cringe for their safety every time I see one of them cruise down the middle of two lanes. _______________________ Clifton, Va.: If lane splitting was allowed and I saw a bike coming, I would either open my door or move over enough to jam him in so he couldn't go any further. Sorry if I have to sit in traffic, so do you on your bike(motorcycle). Steve Ginsberg: Hey look!! It's one of our more magnanimous neighbors!! If this person has to suffer, SO DO YOU!!!! Even if you make different, more sensible choices for yourself. Even if your life has nothing to do with his. Man, I am all fired up for the week now. _______________________ Stanton Park, Washington, D.C.: The poster saying that he'd block motorcycles from using split lanes sort of epitomizes the one drawback of living in this beautiful city. Some of the people are astonishingly self-centered and just plain petty. Why should this person care if someone else is able to get through traffic faster? If anything, that would allow remaining traffic to move a bit faster. Unbelievable. Steve Ginsberg: Yep, I agree. If you're sitting at your computer on a Monday morning getting fired up about blocking motorcyclists from moving through traffic you'd be well served to take a little break and try to figure out what is really wrong with your life. _______________________ For Clifton: As a motorcyclist I see your type all the time. If you opened your door in an effort to hurt me, I would make sure you never did it again. Remember I am wearing full leathers and a helmet. Steve Ginsberg: And here we have the other point of view. _______________________ Frederick, Md.: Please tell we what is safe about a motorcycle driver weaving in and out of lanes and cutting other drivers off? Oh, by the way, if motorcycles have enough space to squeeze, then I will do the same in my car. Steve Ginsberg: Well, whether that's safe or a good idea is unclear. (And no one is advocating anyone cutting people off.) But what we're responding to is that someone would deliberately injure someone following what would be the law just because he was suffering. _______________________ Germantown, Md.: Re: Clifton. I agree with you. This guy has me all fired up! These are the type of dangerous drivers we don't want on our roads. What do you want to bet that he is driving while on the phone, eating his lunch and e-mailing you all at the same time. Steve Ginsberg: I'm thinking more like hating his job, hating his life, jealous of everyone around him (or her!) _______________________ _______________________ Steve Ginsberg: Thanks for all the great questions today and we apologize for all the ones we didn't have a chance to get to. All the more reason to chat with us again in two weeks, same time same place. _______________________ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 14:46:10 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:45:58 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I had this happen last summer on I-66 on the way back from the mountains. Short story is it was 95 degrees out and the Orkin man wanted to see how well his truck would do going down the highway on the roof. He didn't make it far. After sitting in traffic 15-20 minutes and moving a total of about 5 feet I was ready to get going. Some college kids thought they would prevent me for going further by moving their car in front of me. It was easy enough to move around them on the other side of their car. Fuckers. Glenn --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > Clifton, Va.: If lane splitting was allowed and I > saw a bike coming, I > would either open my door or move over enough to jam > him in so he > couldn't go any further. Sorry if I have to sit in > traffic, so do you > on your bike(motorcycle). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 15:21:52 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Aaron Maurer , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:21:46 -0500 And someone responding to you. And look they are a homicidal cager. "Clifton, Va.: If lane splitting was allowed and I saw a bike coming, I would either open my door or move over enough to jam him in so he couldn't go any further. Sorry if I have to sit in traffic, so do you on your bike(motorcycle)." On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:24:38 -0500, Aaron Maurer wrote > In an effort to get more people thinking about legalizing > lane-splitting in the congested metro area, I posted to the Post's > on-line chat re:metro transportation issues. > > The complete transcript is here: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14962-2005Mar7.html > > Here are the (typical and predictable) responses (I think I manages > to get them all...). > > =========== > > Adams Morgan, Washington, D.C.: California (and a bunch of foreign > countries) allow lane-splitting for motorcycles and other two-wheeled > vehicles as a way of reducing traffic and parking congestion due to > automobiles. Texas currently has a similar proposal pending. > > What are the odds that the overly congested D.C.-area would pass > legislation to allow lane-splitting? Who would be the best to > approach on this issue? > > Steve Ginsberg: Hello fellow Adams Morgan resident. What in the world > is lane-splitting? > > _______________________ > > Silver Spring, Md.: Lane splitting is the controversial practice of > riding between lanes of traffic. Some riders take the view that the > practice should be avoided at all times, while others believe that > splitting lanes of stationary traffic can be done safely. Out there > on the streets, it's obvious that some riders are prepared to take bigger > risks than others. > > Steve Ginsberg: That's what I figured, but I'm unsure how that would > reduce traffic and parking congestion. Seems like a good deal for > motorcyclists, though I cringe for their safety every time I see one > of them cruise down the middle of two lanes. > > _______________________ > > Clifton, Va.: If lane splitting was allowed and I saw a bike coming, > I would either open my door or move over enough to jam him in so he > couldn't go any further. Sorry if I have to sit in traffic, so do > you on your bike(motorcycle). > > Steve Ginsberg: Hey look!! It's one of our more magnanimous > neighbors!! If this person has to suffer, SO DO YOU!!!! Even if you > make different, more sensible choices for yourself. Even if your life > has nothing to do with his. Man, I am all fired up for the week now. > > _______________________ > > Stanton Park, Washington, D.C.: The poster saying that he'd block > motorcycles from using split lanes sort of epitomizes the one > drawback of living in this beautiful city. Some of the people are astonishingly > self-centered and just plain petty. Why should this person care if > someone else is able to get through traffic faster? If anything, that > would allow remaining traffic to move a bit faster. Unbelievable. > > Steve Ginsberg: Yep, I agree. If you're sitting at your computer on a > Monday morning getting fired up about blocking motorcyclists from > moving through traffic you'd be well served to take a little break > and try to figure out what is really wrong with your life. > > _______________________ > > For Clifton: As a motorcyclist I see your type all the time. If you > opened your door in an effort to hurt me, I would make sure you never > did it again. Remember I am wearing full leathers and a helmet. > > Steve Ginsberg: And here we have the other point of view. > > _______________________ > > Frederick, Md.: Please tell we what is safe about a motorcycle driver > weaving in and out of lanes and cutting other drivers off? Oh, by the > way, if motorcycles have enough space to squeeze, then I will do the > same in my car. > > Steve Ginsberg: Well, whether that's safe or a good idea is unclear. > (And no one is advocating anyone cutting people off.) But what we're > responding to is that someone would deliberately injure someone > following what would be the law just because he was suffering. > > _______________________ > > Germantown, Md.: Re: Clifton. I agree with you. This guy has me all > fired up! These are the type of dangerous drivers we don't want on > our roads. What do you want to bet that he is driving while on the > phone, eating his lunch and e-mailing you all at the same time. > > Steve Ginsberg: I'm thinking more like hating his job, hating his > life, jealous of everyone around him (or her!) > > _______________________ > > _______________________ > > Steve Ginsberg: Thanks for all the great questions today and we > apologize for all the ones we didn't have a chance to get to. All the > more reason to chat with us again in two weeks, same time same place. > > _______________________ -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 16:00:01 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:59:53 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat To: DC-Cycles Nice Post, I was really surprised to see folks acknowledging that "Clifton,VA Chatter" was an ASS. You can definitely see that educating cagers that "filtering" and "lane splitting" are not the same thing as "weaving in and out of traffic" and "cutting people off," is a difficult task. -Corbett --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > In an effort to get more people thinking about > legalizing > lane-splitting in the congested metro area, I posted > to the Post's > on-line chat re:metro transportation issues. > > The complete transcript is here: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14962-2005Mar7.html > > -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 16:16:46 2005 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Content-ID: <26047.1111439804.1@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:16:44 -0500 From: harry@XXXXXX >You can definitely see that educating cagers that >"filtering" and "lane splitting" are not the same >thing as "weaving in and out of traffic" and "cutting >people off," is a difficult task. I think the objection most car drivers have is that lane splitting is perceived to be "butting in line". There's more than a little validity to this argument, actually. In some cases, filtering can be argued to take advantage of "created" capacity by adding an additional lane (one that, conveniently, happens to be otherwise empty at the moment!). This case could probably best be argued in the case of city "stoplight-to-stoplight" traffic. It sort of boils down to whether your "discovered capacity" leads you all the way through the congested area itself, or whether you'll need to duck back into a lane somewhere up ahead and go through the "congestion point" with everybody else (e.g. the place where the accident is that's backing up the highway traffic). If you using the same limited capacity at the congestion point, then you're really just "re-ordering the line", putting yourself further ahead than your turn. For instance, really skinny people aren't allow to "filter" through to the front of the checkout line at the supermarket, even if they fit, because they'd have to just rejoin the line at the front, and thus would be "butting". -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 16:45:53 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:45:49 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat To: DC-Cycles The benevolent list master pointed out: >I think the objection most car drivers have is that lane >splitting is perceived to be "butting in line". > >For instance, really skinny people aren't allow to "filter" >through to the front of the checkout line at the supermarket, >even if they fit, because they'd have to just rejoin the line >at the front, and thus would be "butting". [Dave] actually, the word Butting comes from what you do to the person who rudely cuts to the front of the line. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 17:18:16 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:18:09 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX but 'filtering' IS butting into line. When traffic is flowing again at say 15mph or better, even in Cali it's expected for the MC to get back in with traffic. It was that way in Japan and I've seen filtering in other euro countries too. Does the cage driver have a 'reason' to get PO'd, sure. But even so one has to in the same breath question why he's getting all bent out of shape over it. If "cheating" were possible in his 8ft wide behemouth, he'd be doing it too if the lanes were 20ft wide. By the same measure, a motorcycle being parked in little nooks and crannies is "cheating" because a standard sized car can't fit. So should the car driver have a coronary because his vehicle can't occupy a 6x4ft space and has to go 4 blocks looking for a place to park? Do mini-van drivers ram Miata drivers because a Miata can fit into a smaller space or park in under-building garages or places with low clearances? Do Hummer drivers run M3 drivers off the road because they can't find a parking spot within 100 yards of the store but the M3 guy has a dozen to choose from? Getting bent out of shape is nothing but pure envy and selfishness on the part of the angered. It really doesn't matter what the motives of the smaller vehicle operator are, even if they are purely selfish. What do they teach in basic relationship classes? I can control what I feel and how I deal with a situation. I can NOT, however control the other person be it his thoughts, motives, reactions, or feelings. Same exact thing. The whole cost/reward thing is what makes society work. Heck in DC of all places the concept is made excruciatingly obvious thru the use of HOV lanes. For the cost of picking up total strangers, of waiting in line hoping to get a ride, or congragating in dark parking lots at o'dark thirty one enjoys the opportunity of sailing into DC at light speed compared to the rest of the people who are not willing to make the same choices or otherwise not willing to come to the office at 4AM. If the world was about 'fairness' and it isn't no matter what the idiot socialists/communists/greenies/animal-rights think, how come there isn't a popular revolt over HOV? A motorcycle is simply the chance to apply the same concept of HOV to any and all roads at any time. The costs in this case stem from riding a motorcycle in the first place (gear, training, insurance, maint) and the greater risk of bodily injury in general even discounting for the self-righteous cager who fancies himself offended and thus licensed to kill. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 17:34:36 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:34:27 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat At 02:18 PM 3/21/05 -0800, matthew patton wrote: >do they teach in basic relationship classes? I can control what I feel >and how I deal with a situation. I can NOT, however control the other >person be it his thoughts, motives, reactions, or feelings. Same exact >thing. Pretty much, yeah, but you are forgetting the other part of that, something my dad taught me: "I may not be able to make you do it, but I can sure as hell make you wish you had!" I agree with what Harry said. I've seen filtering in California...Los Angeles area. It works because there aren't many bikes doing it (i.e. at any given traffic light three lanes wide there might be one or two bikes that filter), the roads are really wide and the sight lines open to cross traffic (i.e. no buildings right up to the corners like here in most places) so that the rider can see down both sides of the cross street, and bikes have better acceleration than cars so when the light turns green the bike is gone before the car could start moving anyway, so nobody is held up. Most of those conditions don't apply here very much, so I'm not sure it's a good idea here. Even in California it can be a problem if the bike stalls when the light goes green, or if the rider misestimates clearance and hits a car he is trying to pass (mirrors are the most common victims I hear). If legal, and very judiciously done by all riders only where appropriate (hahahahaha!), it might help out traffic flow at an undetectable level for all, and would certainly help out those on bikes who did it, but I think the down side is likely to more than make up for these benefits. >socialists/communists/greenies/animal-rights think, how come there >isn't a popular revolt over HOV? There was in Norfolk a few years ago. They had to remove the HOV designation for a while until they could explain that the federal money paid for the road with the promise that it would be HOV, and without HOV they'd have to pay for the road from local taxes...that ended the revolt and now there are HOV lanes there too. BTW, your "Self-righteous cager" doesn't "fancy himself offended", he *is* offended. He is not, however, licensed to kill because of that. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 18:05:41 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:05:33 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX filtering works great in Japan. A country known for congestion that LA can't claim to hold unique. wide lanes? Ha! So many "2-lane" roads in Japan are barely 1.7 wide. It's "chicken" all the time. That or try to take out the telephone poles. And it's not just 1 or 2 bikes, it can be 6 or more than a dozen. And a good dozen mama-san's and salary-man on bicycles too. Clear sightlines? You gotta be joking! Bikes and mopeds are wildly popular because they can cut and thrust and because you can park them anywhere. In japan you don't have 18-28yr old morons running around on 600cc bikes. they're on 400cc or smaller rice rockets. Not that they look all that much smaller I guess. Well, by now maybe they changed the laws on graduated licensing. It used to be 400cc's... It's a matter of cultural attitude. When 2-wheels is a way of life be it push, moped, or small MC nobody really has a cow. So maybe in return for universal lane-splitting we should institude nation-wide mandatory graduated licensing? I'll sign that bill. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 18:12:30 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:12:20 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat At 03:05 PM 3/21/05 -0800, matthew patton wrote: >filtering works great in Japan. A country known for congestion that LA >can't claim to hold unique. wide lanes? Ha! So many "2-lane" roads in I've heard that in Japan everyone who drives is assumed to be a professional. Any accident is treated *very* harshly. Unlike here, where any moron can pass the test to get a driver's license... What's their annual death rate over there? Ours has been 42,000+ for as long as I can remember, despite all the added safety features they've put in cars since then (like seat belts, padded dashboards, brakes that don't fade noticeably in a single stop, etc...). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 18:16:46 2005 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: FS: 2001 CBR F4i Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:16:38 -0500 X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.104326, Antispam-Data: 2005.3.21.14 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __UNUSABLE_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, URI_HEAVY 0, RELAY_IN_SORBS 0' Selling my bike, just no time to ride. For more information and pictures see http://home.comcast.net/~heather.mcgonigle/jm/pages/CBR.htm Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 21:02:15 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:02:05 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Cc: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX We all know DC has a "don't block the block" problem.. Length wise a motorcycle can take up enough room as a car (counting space cushion). If that motorcycle can leave that space and go up to the front to be parallel with cars, then all the remaining cars can move forward one, thus freeing up the intersection, thus freeing up a second block of traffic that would be stuck. Filtering can help. Another thing is, a motorcycle could filter up, and maybe find another motorcycle to share a lane with.. thus freeing up a spot. I pretty much filter in DC and MD.. but not where I think the police might be anal about it. If an idiot tries to block me, I just go on the other side, or switch lanes and go around. Danny 03 gixxer 1000 (anyone have a set of street plastics?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 21:06:18 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:06:08 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX US stats: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/ JP stats: http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/c14cont.htm the only comparable number is fatalities / 100,000 population. JP:US = 6.5:15. A VASTLY more useful comparison would be fatal/100mil miles but I haven't found numbers for Japan yet - at least in a PDF I can read since my Acrobat can't render Japanese chars. But apparently the JP rate is 1.5x that of the UK. Seeing as how Japanese barely drive compared to US... Ok, here is an excerpt from IRTAD for 2002. [US numbers are 2001, UK 1998] Injury / 1 Mil vehicle KM = 1.18(JP): 0.46(US) : 0.52 (UK) kill / 1 Bil vehicle KM = 12.1(JP) : 9.4(US) : 7.5(UK) Here's another intersting one. http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen/irtad//english/we33.html Fatalities by vehicle type for 2002 Japan 1721(MC) 2562 (AUTO) UK 628 (MC) 1942 (AUTO) US 3244 (MC) 20,415 (AUTO) And if you want 30years worth of history in graphical form http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen/irtad//utility/p102.pdf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 21 21:29:44 2005 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:27:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/21/05 X-Spam-Level: At 07:00 PM 3/21/2005, you wrote: >Clifton, Va.: If lane splitting was allowed and I saw a bike coming, I >would either open my door or move over enough to jam him in so he >couldn't go any further. Sorry if I have to sit in traffic, so do you >on your bike(motorcycle). I guess this kind of a-clown would also run down bicyclists or joggers that were also happening to make better time than him. Perhaps the next step is throwing rocks at the metro because it gets it's own tracks. Maybe he should also steal some gas from my tank because I can get downtown and back on 1 gallon. Or I should subsidize his insurance because mine is only $100 a year. When I pay $2.00 to park downtown all day at a meter, Ill drop another $10 into his garage parking. And, when I need to move some furniture or mulch, I can just pop over to his house and steal his truck. Dipwad. Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 22 07:30:18 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:29:59 EST Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/21/05 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/21/2005 9:30:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, cchubb@XXXXXX writes: > Perhaps the next step is > throwing rocks at the metro because it gets it's own tracks. I think he should open his door to block the train #:-) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 22 07:43:08 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:43:04 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/21/05 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Clifton, Va.: If lane splitting was allowed and I saw a bike coming, I > >would either open my door or move over enough to jam him in so he > >couldn't go any further. Sorry if I have to sit in traffic, so do you > >on your bike(motorcycle). Don't lost sight that both of this guy's actions are illegal - assault comes to mind immediately. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 22 07:51:53 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:51:51 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Filtering to the front of a line of stopped cars is pretty much standard in Europe (and mandatory in Italy). All of the car jockeys know that the bikes will be long gone before they shift out of neutral into first and nobody has a problem. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 22 08:38:09 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:38:04 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Filtering to the front of a line of stopped cars is pretty >much standard in Europe (and mandatory in Italy). All of the >car jockeys know that the bikes will be long gone before >they shift out of neutral into first and nobody has a >problem. [Dave] Would that be "old Europe"? There's a lot of things standard in Europe that they can keep. Like their gas prices, taxes, etc. There's an "Old European" in my office. So since the bikes and mopeds won't be a bother, the guy with one item at Home Depot and Shopper's Food Warehouse shouldn't be a problem either. They'll be paid and leaving before you get your full cart full of items moving. Thus, we'll institute the same or equivalent rules for shopping. When you're waiting in line and somebody comes along with fewer items, you let them in front. This will get more people out of the store sooner... Dave Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 22 08:48:18 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:48:03 EST Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/22/2005 8:38:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > Thus, we'll > institute the same or equivalent rules for shopping. > > When you're waiting in line and somebody comes along with > fewer items, you let them in front. This will get more > people out of the store sooner... Kinda like the express lanes ("15 items or less"+-) that virtually _every_ store has for just that reason? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 22 08:53:35 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:53:33 -0500 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat People with one item (or two) already filter to the front of the line, at least at my local Home Depot. It's called the self-service register option... Some SFW locations have the same option, others have 15-item or less aisles and cash-only aisles. Riding in California was an eye-opener. Left downtown San Jose at 1630 or so, rode north a good fifteen miles in between lanes of stopped/slowed cages. Got passed a few times, by other more skilled local riders, then the speed of traffic increased and we all merged back in. By the time I hit Walnut Creek the average speed was 80, life was good. On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:38:04 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: > So since the bikes and mopeds won't be a bother, the guy with > one item at Home Depot and Shopper's Food Warehouse shouldn't > be a problem either. They'll be paid and leaving before you > get your full cart full of items moving. Thus, we'll > institute the same or equivalent rules for shopping. > > When you're waiting in line and somebody comes along with > fewer items, you let them in front. This will get more > people out of the store sooner... > > Dave > > Dave Yates > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 22 09:07:29 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:07:17 EST Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/22/2005 8:54:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, robert.verde@XXXXXX writes: > Riding in California was an eye-opener. And that is the bottom line, where you grew up and what you have experienced affect your perception of what is or is not safe, reality be damned. White lining (filtering is a regional name) is safe and reasonable, those who live with it think nothing of it, those who do not tend to fear it. Making it legal does not require _anyone_ to do it, it just allows those who want to, to do so. As for the old "wisdom" of door opening, well that is just bullshit, open your door into a bike and it gets broken off, makes it _real_ easy to identify the assailant. (And opening your door just to block a rider if done in front of the wrong rider makes it easy for them to pull you out of your car and give you a "stern talking to." Just not gonna happen. (And yes just like all of you I have heard stories, lots of them and I believe a grant total of _none_ of em.)) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 22 10:27:42 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:15:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/21/05 At 07:43 AM 3/22/05 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> >Clifton, Va.: If lane splitting was allowed and I saw a bike coming, I >> >would either open my door or move over enough to jam him in so he >> >couldn't go any further. Sorry if I have to sit in traffic, so do you >> >on your bike(motorcycle). > >Don't lost sight that both of this guy's actions are illegal - assault >comes to mind immediately. Yep, and you might get something bigger to stick too, but that's not the important thing to notice there. The important thing to notice is that people like this exist. If you are going to filter/lane-split around here, that's a good thing to be aware of. Since I don't have anywhere I have to be that's worth an encounter with such a person and his door, I don't feel any need to filter or lane-split. Actually, when I'm out riding I just like being out riding...how fast I get through traffic isn't even on the awareness horizon. Sooner, later, all fine. If I need to be somewhere at a specific time I just leave earlier than seems necessary, and get there early if there's no traffic problems. Gives me a chance to explore the area near my destination, or just park and sit and relax a bit. Get-there-itis kills a lot of people, either by accidents or accumulated stress damage. It just isn't worth it. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 22 16:09:57 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:09:48 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Biker lies dying, state trooper say "too bad" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX After an accident, the biker's friend, "called 911, which was routed to the state police barracks in Montville. When he reported the accident, Peasley said, 'Yeah ... too bad,' and hung up, according to a tape obtained by WTNH-TV." The biker died. 3 calls had to be made before getting someone with a brain. At least they suspended the trooper. Here's the whole story. http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/11201934.htm jib __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 22 16:29:23 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Biker lies dying, state trooper say "too bad" Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:29:12 -0500 Bad Cop....No Donut! (and a swift kick in the ass, too). From: Isaac Blanck To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Biker lies dying, state trooper say "too bad" Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:09:48 -0800 (PST) After an accident, the biker's friend, "called 911, which was routed to the state police barracks in Montville. When he reported the accident, Peasley said, 'Yeah ... too bad,' and hung up, according to a tape obtained by WTNH-TV." The biker died. 3 calls had to be made before getting someone with a brain. At least they suspended the trooper. Here's the whole story. http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/11201934.htm jib __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 00:45:03 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:44:49 -0500 Express Lanes, 15 or less. Seen one before? Rob On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:38:04 -0500, Dave Yates wrote > So since the bikes and mopeds won't be a bother, the guy with > one item at Home Depot and Shopper's Food Warehouse shouldn't > be a problem either. They'll be paid and leaving before you > get your full cart full of items moving. Thus, we'll > institute the same or equivalent rules for shopping. > > When you're waiting in line and somebody comes along with > fewer items, you let them in front. This will get more > people out of the store sooner... > > Dave > > Dave Yates -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 00:48:49 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Robert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:48:48 -0500 I have spent lots of time in San Fran. Bikes filter to the front of traffic at lights all the time. I never saw anyone get bent outta shape. The big question is how will stop and go traffic be handled. Assuming that traffic is moving slowly will bikes be allowed to filter through that? Or just when traffic is completely stopped? If I could be passing people on the beltway when it's crawling during rush how that would be the big advantage. Rob On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:53:33 -0500, Robert wrote > People with one item (or two) already filter to the front of the > line, at least at my local Home Depot. It's called the self-service > register option... Some SFW locations have the same option, others > have 15-item or less aisles and cash-only aisles. > > Riding in California was an eye-opener. Left downtown San Jose at > 1630 or so, rode north a good fifteen miles in between lanes of > stopped/slowed cages. Got passed a few times, by other more skilled > local riders, then the speed of traffic increased and we all merged > back in. By the time I hit Walnut Creek the average speed was 80, > life was good. > > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:38:04 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: > > > So since the bikes and mopeds won't be a bother, the guy with > > one item at Home Depot and Shopper's Food Warehouse shouldn't > > be a problem either. They'll be paid and leaving before you > > get your full cart full of items moving. Thus, we'll > > institute the same or equivalent rules for shopping. > > > > When you're waiting in line and somebody comes along with > > fewer items, you let them in front. This will get more > > people out of the store sooner... > > > > Dave > > > > Dave Yates > > > > -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 06:30:32 2005 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: Washington Post online chat Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:30:24 -0500 The big difference is that the guy with one item still takes _some_ time to complete his transaction. I would agree with your analogy if it took _no_ time for his transaction. But, if this was a reality, then there would be a "1 item" sensor when you left the store and it would read the item via RFID and charge your on-file credit card. Sounds like Smart Tag for shopping. ;) Bikes who filter to the front don't affect the cars sitting in traffic, except psychologically since people naturally don't like the idea of someone moving to the front of the line when they're waiting in it. Wes Hsu > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:38:04 -0500, Dave Yates wrote > > > So since the bikes and mopeds won't be a bother, the guy with > > one item at Home Depot and Shopper's Food Warehouse shouldn't > > be a problem either. They'll be paid and leaving before you > > get your full cart full of items moving. Thus, we'll > > institute the same or equivalent rules for shopping. > > > > When you're waiting in line and somebody comes along with > > fewer items, you let them in front. This will get more > > people out of the store sooner... > > > > Dave > > > > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 06:45:29 2005 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: Washington Post online chat Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:45:24 -0500 Rob wrote: > I have spent lots of time in San Fran. Bikes filter to the front of > traffic > at lights all the time. I never saw anyone get bent outta shape. I was just over in the SF area last month, and this is what I saw as well. In fact, I noticed that there really wasn't any aggressive driving while I was out there. It was a complete shocker for me. I mentioned that to a long time buddy of mine who used to live on the East Coast for many years, and he confirmed it saying it was a welcomed change when he moved out there. Even during rush hour there I didn't see people cutting other people off, or people weaving in and out, crossing 2-3 lanes at a time, etc. Makes you wonder what makes NoVA drivers so "special" in this regard. > The big question is how will stop and go traffic be handled. Assuming I only have 1 data point in SF while I was there. It was raining pretty hard and I was sitting in stop-sometimes-go traffic. I saw a few bikes out and they were filtering. I had more exposure (and envy) to filtering during my stay in Europe (London, Paris, and Barcelona). In all cases, the bikes filtered to the front, no one got bent out of shape, and when the light turned green, the bikes/scooters were gone before most cars even realized it was time to get going. Although I wish filtering was allowed (not only legally but accepted by the public) is that seeing how most NoVA drivers don't seem to care for simple laws like stopping at a red light, I'd be afraid that more and more bikers who get to filter through stop-and-go traffic would then decide that it's OK to ride on the shoulders for a mile to exit off a highway, etc. But, seeing how aggressive drivers are in this area, I wouldn't filter even if the law allowed it. There's just too many crazy people who would be hell bent on killing you if you filtered. Who am I kidding...you might as well filter since they're hell bent on killing us for any reason. ;) Wes Hsu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 06:54:24 2005 X-Sasl-enc: md+xMjGFR6jLxm+xeOk8uA 1111578860 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:57:06 -0500 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: DC-Cycles Subject: A new low Here's a new low. A Detroit columnist suggests that not only motorcyclists (helmetless) be mandatory organ donors, but also thinks that motorcyclists should not be given any extreme life saving measures so that organ donors wouldn't have to wait too long. http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/dickerson.asp Louis -- "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 07:58:40 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:58:36 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Washington Post online chat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wes: >The big difference is that the guy with one item still takes >_some_ time to complete his transaction. I would agree with >your analogy if it took _no_ time for his transaction. But, >if this was a reality, then there would be a >"1 item" sensor when you left the store and it would read >the item via RFID and charge your on-file credit card. >Sounds like Smart Tag for shopping. ;) > >Bikes who filter to the front don't affect the cars sitting >in traffic, except psychologically since people naturally >don't like the idea of someone moving to the front of the >line when they're waiting in it. [Dave] Let's test this theory of yours out. Are you saying that the current crop of bikes actually have faster-than- perceptible-time acceleration? I thought we passed out at something like 8 or 9 g's... The analogy is appropriate because the moped, scooter or moto still takes _some_time_ to accelerate and, the vehicles behind are forced to account for sufficient space to not rear end them. I've seen this done, and I've seen the accordion effect it causes. I've seen people be "double & triple" filtered and miss the next light they otherwise would've make but not for the rude, impatient, me first because my time is more important than everyone else's riders... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 10:01:22 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:01:19 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > but not for the rude, impatient, me first because my time is > more important than everyone else's riders... Who are using space and fuel efficient vehicles and don't want to be encumbered by the "my SAV blocks more road than your SAV" drivers. Seems like an even trade off to me Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 10:20:24 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:20:19 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I pontificated: >> but not for the rude, impatient, me first because my time >>is more important than everyone else's riders... MJ replied: >Who are using space and fuel efficient vehicles and don't >want to be encumbered by the "my SAV blocks more road than >your SAV" drivers. > >Seems like an even trade off to me [Dave] I guess one could easily have that perception. WTH, we already subscribe to the principle of wealth redistribution, what's wrong with a little time redistribution? How much more space efficient is a moto as compared to a car? you could fit more than one in a lane, but practically speaking and in context, they still have to maintain following distance sufficient to avoid a collision as well as the drivers behind them. While the "line" of traffic does not increase overall, every vehicle in the line suffers a penalty for each "filtering" vehicle. The 'penalty' may be minimal in terms of time, or they may be as if a lazy cage operator had cut in front, it all depends on the rider. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 10:45:43 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:45:38 -0500 To: Michael Jordan From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 10:01 AM 3/23/05 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> but not for the rude, impatient, me first because my time is >> more important than everyone else's riders... > >Who are using space and fuel efficient vehicles and don't want to be >encumbered by the "my SAV blocks more road than your SAV" drivers. How about each lane of the beltway (and other interstates where there are enough lanes) give up one foot of width? That will get us 3'-4' of extra pavement that can be a dedicated "bike lane". No filtering needed, just use your own lane and pass all the cars. Anyone who wants to use that lane can buy a bike and be welcome to it. If enough riders start appearing to pack that lane to stop and go status too, we take away one full lane and make a couple of bike lanes. No new pavement needed and the cost is the cost of painting the lines on the road...something that has to be done periodically anyway. When the laid-back cruiser crowd and the stunting maniac crowd start squaring off for rumbles over speed preferences we just allow passing on the shoulder and solve that one too. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 12:01:58 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:01:47 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Cc: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I filter as much as possible.. When alone i rarely encounter BDC acting stupid.. it's a little more noticible when i'm in a group. anyway I advocate the legal use of shoulders for MC's when traffic is backed up. It's not like a MC can't clear the shoulder easily even if disabled. I don't recommend using the shoulder too mcuh though as the debri can give you a flat. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 12:04:24 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:04:26 -0500 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:01 PM 3/23/05 -0500, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >I filter as much as possible.. When alone i rarely encounter BDC acting stupid.. >it's a little more noticible when i'm in a group. anyway > >I advocate the legal use of shoulders for MC's when traffic is backed up. >It's not like a MC can't clear the shoulder easily even if disabled. I don't >recommend using the shoulder too mcuh though as the debri can give you >a flat. And both practices can get you a big fine and possible loss of license around here. Who was it on the list who was asking for a lawyer a few months back due to a serious ticket for filtering (reckless driving, wasn't it?) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 17:23:37 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:23:13 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Washington Post online chat Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ok correction.. I filter as much as possible in DC and PG. I still advocate a change in laws for filtering, shoulder use, and HOV for bikes. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:04:26 -0500, Mike B. wrote: > At 12:01 PM 3/23/05 -0500, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >I filter as much as possible.. When alone i rarely encounter BDC acting > stupid.. > >it's a little more noticible when i'm in a group. anyway > > > >I advocate the legal use of shoulders for MC's when traffic is backed up. > >It's not like a MC can't clear the shoulder easily even if disabled. I don't > >recommend using the shoulder too mcuh though as the debri can give you > >a flat. > > And both practices can get you a big fine and possible loss of license > around here. Who was it on the list who was asking for a lawyer a few > months back due to a serious ticket for filtering (reckless driving, wasn't > it?) > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 18:42:25 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Big Media rides Bikes; Undercover's story Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:42:07 -0500 The NY Times joins the biker rag bunch -- For those interested, two pieces detailing the Clear Channel / Supercross story: Monday 3/21: Suit Against Clear Channel Over Racing Goes to Jury http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/21/business/media/21radio.html Tuesday 3/22: Clear Channel Loses Case With Rival http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/22/business/media/22radios.html?adxnnl=1&dlbk =&adxnnlx=1111503614-fHHTWNS/qPNTkL25xghtlQ And an upcoming book/movie -- Chased by Mean Bikers, Former Agent Sheds His Cover to Chase Fame and Fortune http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/national/23queen.html Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Media battles leave me super cross. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 23 19:15:07 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:15:00 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: visor law Anyone happen to know what the local "visor must be down" or "have windsheild" laws are.. in the local jurisdictions? I was just wondering if the law states that "must be equipped" verses "must be in down position".. and if some people are unfairly ticketed? Unless my law teachers were idiots, I was taught that as long as the letter of the law is met, they can't rightfully convict you on the spirit of the law. For example, if the law fails to mention that your helmet must be worn on your head, they can't find you guilty for wearing it on your elbow.. if you're "wearing" it.. if the law says "wear it" but fails to state "on your head" or "properly". Isn't there a legal term for this? I've forgotten.. it's been a decade.. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 06:23:39 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:23:35 -0500 From: J D To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: visor law On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:23:00 -0500, J D wrote: > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:15:00 -0500, Danny Motorcycle > wrote: > > Anyone happen to know what the local "visor must be down" or "have windsheild" > > laws are.. in the local jurisdictions? Virginia: )B§ 46.2-910. Motorcyclist to wear helmets, etc.; certain sales prohibited; penalty. A. Every person operating a motorcycle shall wear a face shield, safety glasses or goggles, or have his motorcycle equipped with safety glass or a windshield at all times while operating the vehicle, and operators and any passengers thereon shall wear protective helmets. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-910 -J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 09:06:07 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:05:58 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: J D Subject: Re: visor law Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So according to that wording, cops shouldn't be able to ticket you for having your visor up.. Correct? On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:23:35 -0500, J D wrote: > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:23:00 -0500, J D wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:15:00 -0500, Danny Motorcycle > > wrote: > > > Anyone happen to know what the local "visor must be down" or "have windsheild" > > > laws are.. in the local jurisdictions? > > Virginia: > > )B§ 46.2-910. Motorcyclist to wear helmets, etc.; certain sales > prohibited; penalty. > > A. Every person operating a motorcycle shall wear a face shield, > safety glasses or goggles, or have his motorcycle equipped with safety > glass or a windshield at all times while operating the vehicle, and > operators and any passengers thereon shall wear protective helmets. > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-910 > > -J > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 09:32:01 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:31:57 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: visor law > > A. Every person operating a motorcycle shall wear a face shield, > > safety glasses or goggles, or have his motorcycle equipped with safety > > glass or a windshield at all times while operating the vehicle > > So according to that wording, cops shouldn't be able to ticket you for having > your visor up.. Correct? That would be up to the intrepretation of the cop at the point of alleged infraction - his (or her) call. You get to argue the merits in court. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 09:57:54 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:57:43 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: visor law To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The way I understand it is as long you have some sort of eye protection, even sunglasses, then you are OK. --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > So according to that wording, cops shouldn't be able > to ticket you for having > your visor up.. Correct? > > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:23:35 -0500, J D > wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:23:00 -0500, J D > wrote: > > > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:15:00 -0500, Danny > Motorcycle > > > wrote: > > > > Anyone happen to know what the local "visor > must be down" or "have windsheild" > > > > laws are.. in the local jurisdictions? > > > > Virginia: > > > > )B§ 46.2-910. Motorcyclist to wear helmets, etc.; > certain sales > > prohibited; penalty. > > > > A. Every person operating a motorcycle shall wear > a face shield, > > safety glasses or goggles, or have his motorcycle > equipped with safety > > glass or a windshield at all times while operating > the vehicle, and > > operators and any passengers thereon shall wear > protective helmets. > > > > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-910 > > > > -J > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 10:12:32 2005 Subject: RE: visor law Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:12:37 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: To back up what Michael said, it's probably up to the cop. However, I was pulled over for this myself in Virginia. I was pulling out of my driveway and noticed too late that two motorcycle officers had set up a "speed enforcment zone" just a few yards away and one waved me over immediately. After the usual paperwork check he just told me to keep my visor down while moving. Mostly he just wanted to check out my Phoenix jacket as it was almost 90 degrees and he couldn't understand how I'd have a jacket on in that heat. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: visor law > > A. Every person operating a motorcycle shall wear a face shield, > > safety glasses or goggles, or have his motorcycle equipped with safety > > glass or a windshield at all times while operating the vehicle > > So according to that wording, cops shouldn't be able to ticket you for having > your visor up.. Correct? That would be up to the intrepretation of the cop at the point of alleged infraction - his (or her) call. You get to argue the merits in court. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 10:43:51 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:43:40 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: visor law Actually.. I'm talking the concepts of law now.. If i'm not mistaken, you're not supposed to be convicted of any crime, in which you meet the specific wording of the law. THis is to prevent the judge and police from in effect making up law.. for isntance if you make a right turn, and it says no left turn.. and the cop says "the sign really meant no turns" the judge can't say "yes although it says no left turn, that's a dangerous intersection and the spirt of the law means no turns, and you're guilty". It's only up to the cop to decide to write the ticket.. but if a judge ruled that having an affixed visor meets teh requirement, then cops should no longer be able to write you a ticket in that circumstance... until the legistlative branch changes the wording to state the visor must be down. If a cop writes you a ticket in which he KNOWS is opposite of case law, then he is in effect harrasing and maliciously prosecuting you. I would be interested to know if anyone has any reference to a ticket where the judge ruled a visor up is okay and found the person not guilty. I'd like to keep that refence handy in case ever given that ticket, I could present that info to officer.. you know what might also be fun.. when a cop gives you a ticket.. ask him to recite word for word the law in which he's enforcing... if he can't, IMO he's not qualified to write that ticket nor enforce that law. I did that once before.. I can't remember the situation, i think a friend was getting a ticket.. oh no wait, it was me getting the ticket. I pulled a small endo in next to a friend, in a cops view... and he gave me a ticket. Said it was wreckless. I said "i'm not trying to be a smart alec or disrespectful, but I want to ask for the sake of my own education, what's the written definition of wreckless" and he told me whatever vague statement it was (which i think wasn't word for word).. I went to court pleaded not guilty.. judge asked the cop if I was cooperative, he said yes, case was dismissed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 11:08:47 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:55:28 -0500 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: visor law Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sounds like it...especially if you have sunglasses on under it that count as safety glasses (you can get shaded safety glasses at Home Depot for about $8), or you have a windshield. Of course, the lawyer types that are prosecuting you might claim that the definition of "wear" in this case means "to wear in such a way that it provides protection to the face" under the "clear intent" concept. Remember the "depends what the definition of 'is' is" business? On the other hand, that wording indicates that you can't have a face shield or safety glasses or goggles AND a windshield...maybe legislators should have to take Boolean Algebra in school? -- Mike B. At 09:05 AM 3/24/05 -0500, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >So according to that wording, cops shouldn't be able to ticket you for having >your visor up.. Correct? > > >On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:23:35 -0500, J D wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:23:00 -0500, J D wrote: >> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:15:00 -0500, Danny Motorcycle >> > wrote: >> > > Anyone happen to know what the local "visor must be down" or "have windsheild" >> > > laws are.. in the local jurisdictions? >> >> Virginia: >> >> )B§ 46.2-910. Motorcyclist to wear helmets, etc.; certain sales >> prohibited; penalty. >> >> A. Every person operating a motorcycle shall wear a face shield, >> safety glasses or goggles, or have his motorcycle equipped with safety >> glass or a windshield at all times while operating the vehicle, and >> operators and any passengers thereon shall wear protective helmets. >> >> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-910 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 11:10:47 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:10:34 -0500 To: Danny Motorcycle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: visor law At 10:43 AM 3/24/05 -0500, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Actually.. I'm talking the concepts of law now.. If i'm not mistaken, >you're not supposed to be convicted of any crime, in which you >meet the specific wording of the law. May be true, but that doesn't mean they can't argue a different interpretation of that wording than you came up with. English is ambiguous, unlike, say, computer languages, and so there is generally more than one way to interpret any given non-trivial wording. That's where the idea of "clear intent of the legislature" comes into play...what did they *intend* when they passed the law? That gets used to figure out which interpretation is the correct one. Or at least that's the way it's supposed to work. You may try to argue that having a face shield on your helmet, even in the up position, means you meet the specific wording of the law...you are wearing a helmet and it has a face shield. Problem is that the clear intent of the law is to force you to protect yourself (specifically your eyes, given the alternative of safety glasses or goggles) from flying debris damage, and having the face shield in the up position doesn't accomplish that very well. Certainly not as well as having it closed. Therefore you may be meeting the specific wording under one interpretation of the words, but that interpretation is clearly not the best one, as it doesn't meet the intent...and there is another interpretation of the words that does so that's the one they'd go with...and you were not complying with that one. That one would say that visor up is fine if you also have the safety glasses or goggles on though, as in that case you would be complying with the wording that meets the intent...they say "OR", not "AND". >THis is to prevent the judge and police from in effect making up law.. Doesn't prevent it, but it does limit it a lot. Interpretation of the wording, and deciding what the legislative intent was still leaves them some "wiggle room". Some laws are written more clearly than others though so the amount of wiggle room varies. >If a cop writes you a ticket in which he KNOWS is opposite of case law, >then he is in effect harrasing and maliciously prosecuting you. That sounds right to me...misfeasance? Don't remember the definition of that clearly enough to be sure. >I did that once before.. I can't remember the situation, i think a >friend was getting >a ticket.. oh no wait, it was me getting the ticket. I pulled a small >endo in next to a friend, in a cops view... and he gave me a ticket. >Said it was wreckless. How can an endo be wreckless? An endo *is* a wreck! -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 11:14:22 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:14:14 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: visor law To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Does this mean that sport-bike & other riders with windscreens get a free pass? Hmmmmm.... "or have his motorcycle equipped with safety glass or a windshield at all times while operating the vehicle, and operators and any passengers thereon shall wear protective helmets." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 17:57:44 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:57:33 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Fwd: Re: visor law To: DC Cycles I think Danny meant to send this to the list, not me..... --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:18:32 -0500 > From: Danny Motorcycle > To: Brian Ray > Subject: Re: visor law > > Good point about sportbike windscreens.. > > What I want to emphasis is, it doesn't matter what > the legislature intended > when they wrote the law, if you meet the letter of > the law, if the court > rules properly, they have to find you not guilty. > The letter of the law > has higher precendent over the spirit of the law. > This is why criminals walk > on technicalities, and they should, because it's a > travesty of justice > to convict innocent people, and that's why we > operate on the principle > that it's better > to let 100 guilty men go free than to convict one > innocent man. > > (and if you (you meaning anyone, not you specificly) > don't believe in that principle, let me see you, > innocent of a crime, > go to jail for a year, to prove your point) > > It is very important that everyone understands.. > ambiguous laws are legally > unenforceable. If you are charged with a violation > of law, yet you legally > were doing what the law said, our standard of legal > system is set > that you cannot be convicted on symantics. It's not > up to the judges to pick > up where the legislature left off and convict you > merely on the spirit > of law, it's > the judges job to preside and rule and see if you > are in violation of the > what is written, not what is intended. If it's not > clearly written, they should > find you not guilty, and the legislature should > re-write the law. > > I need a lister with a stronger legal background to > pick up my arguement, > name the principles of law and their sources, > as I don't have my collegiate texts here to cite the > legal statutes > which mandate our high standards of laws. > I'm sure you know what I'm trying to reference but > can't. > > - Danny > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 18:05:01 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:04:52 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Re: visor law Cc: DC Cycles oh yes i did. thanks.. i'm still getting used to using gmail for this list. - Danny On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:57:33 -0800 (PST), Brian Ray wrote: > I think Danny meant to send this to the list, not > me..... > > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:18:32 -0500 > > From: Danny Motorcycle > > To: Brian Ray > > Subject: Re: visor law > > > > Good point about sportbike windscreens.. > > > > What I want to emphasis is, it doesn't matter what > > the legislature intended > > when they wrote the law, if you meet the letter of > > the law, if the court > > rules properly, they have to find you not guilty. > > The letter of the law > > has higher precendent over the spirit of the law. > > This is why criminals walk > > on technicalities, and they should, because it's a > > travesty of justice > > to convict innocent people, and that's why we > > operate on the principle > > that it's better > > to let 100 guilty men go free than to convict one > > innocent man. > > > > (and if you (you meaning anyone, not you specificly) > > don't believe in that principle, let me see you, > > innocent of a crime, > > go to jail for a year, to prove your point) > > > > It is very important that everyone understands.. > > ambiguous laws are legally > > unenforceable. If you are charged with a violation > > of law, yet you legally > > were doing what the law said, our standard of legal > > system is set > > that you cannot be convicted on symantics. It's not > > up to the judges to pick > > up where the legislature left off and convict you > > merely on the spirit > > of law, it's > > the judges job to preside and rule and see if you > > are in violation of the > > what is written, not what is intended. If it's not > > clearly written, they should > > find you not guilty, and the legislature should > > re-write the law. > > > > I need a lister with a stronger legal background to > > pick up my arguement, > > name the principles of law and their sources, > > as I don't have my collegiate texts here to cite the > > legal statutes > > which mandate our high standards of laws. > > I'm sure you know what I'm trying to reference but > > can't. > > > > - Danny > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 24 18:18:29 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:18:22 -0800 (PST) From: MOFO_Load Subject: A new low from: dc-cycles digest for 03/23/05 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX As well as the recent discussion over the egocentric traffic plug who'd like to open doors on motos just trying to get along, this guy Dickerson deserves about as little attention. I thank the AMA for the 'hightened' awareness of such nobodies like BD. And of course, if you're the type of person who simply agrees with such stupid opinions, what can I say? But then again, I will 'always' wear a helmet ;) > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:57:06 -0500 > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: A new low > > Here's a new low. A Detroit columnist suggests that > not only > motorcyclists (helmetless) be mandatory organ > donors, but also thinks > that motorcyclists should not be given any extreme > life saving measures > so that organ donors wouldn't have to wait too long. > > http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/dickerson.asp > > Louis > > -- > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Fairfax, VA > Please consider helping me support the Pediatric > Brain Tumor Foundation > http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 27 12:03:50 2005 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:03:46 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Vintage Road Ride - Apr 24 - No. VA Vintage Road Ride - April 24 - Clifton, Virginia 20124 sponsored by Potomac Vintage Riders Modern bikes welcome; vintage bikes discount http://www.potomacvintageriders.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 27 12:09:42 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speed cameras on I-95? Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:09:31 -0500 I heard a rumor yesterday that speed cameras have been installed on I-95 between Baltimore and Washington. Does anyone know anything about this? I haven't been over there lately, but there weren't any the last time I went up that way. Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 27 13:03:41 2005 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:03:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: chris01@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Vintage Road Ride - Apr 24 - No. VA Chris Norloff wrote: >Vintage Road Ride - April 24 - Clifton, Virginia 20124 >sponsored by Potomac Vintage Riders > >Modern bikes welcome; vintage bikes discount > >http://www.potomacvintageriders.com/ > > > Chris, What's the definition of "vintage"? Would my '82 Suzuki GS850 G qualify? Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 27 13:06:13 2005 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:06:08 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Vintage Road Ride - Apr 24 - No. VA > What's the definition of "vintage"? Would my > '82 Suzuki GS850 G qualify? If it doesn't, it's probably close. Technically, a new Concours could be considered "Vintage" ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 27 14:46:21 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:46:06 EST Subject: Re: Vintage Road Ride - Apr 24 - No. VA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/27/2005 1:03:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > What's the definition of "vintage"? Would my > '82 Suzuki GS850 G qualify? Did I ever mention that I had one of those? A great bike with one of the best saddles in motorcycling. Put 66,600+ miles on it in three years, mostly visiting my girlfriend (now wife) 750mi. from where I lived. Used to ride up on Saturday, visit Sunday, call work on Monday morning with bike trouble. Trouble was the bike would not run 750mph. I fact I went for a ride on Saturday morning, just a ride, no goal at all and wound up 750 miles later in TN where my future wife was and decided to visit. That was really where it all began and we have been married for some 20 years now. Owe it all to a GS850G. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 27 14:48:10 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:47:59 EST Subject: Re: Vintage Road Ride - Apr 24 - No. VA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/27/2005 1:03:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > What's the definition of "vintage"? Depends, are they talking bike, or rider? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 27 15:02:22 2005 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:02:12 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: spool stand Where's the cheapest place to get a rear wheel stand that uses spools? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 27 15:08:23 2005 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'Danny Motorcycle'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: spool stand Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:10:21 -0500 Cheap or good? You cannot beat the Pitt-Bull stands. Talk to Rick Beggs at Fast Lane Cycles, he stocks the full line. He usually has a pretty good price. www.fastlanecycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: DC Cycles Subject: spool stand Where's the cheapest place to get a rear wheel stand that uses spools? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 27 16:01:47 2005 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:17:42 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: spool stand On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Where's the cheapest place to get a rear wheel stand that uses spools? The cheapest is a Handy Stand. I have the front/rear combo and it's $99. It's plenty sturdy for all kinds of work on my Hayabusa, using either just the rear or the front/rear together. url for purchase - www.handyindustries.com pic of the rear stand in use - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/071103/P0002837.jpg I would like a front stand that holds the bike under the lower front clamp to simplify front ride height changes, though. The Handy front stand goes under the forks. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 27 18:29:32 2005 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:31:14 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Gary Foreman CC: "'Danny Motorcycle'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: spool stand Gary Foreman wrote: >Cheap or good? You cannot beat the Pitt-Bull stands. Talk to Rick Beggs at >Fast Lane Cycles, he stocks the full line. He usually has a pretty good >price. > >www.fastlanecycles.com > > > > Actually, to be honest, there are a number of other great stands out there that are a lot cheaper than Pitt Bull...it just depends on what you are using it for. We have a new vortex rear stand that is AWESOME, and it's about $90. If you're using it for racing, I'd definitely say a Pit Bull would be a good choice, but if this gentleman is only using it for propping up in his garage or using it do perform maintenance type stuff, there's a lot of other options that are cheaper and will work very well! Just my 2 cents. :) LAR www.speedwerks.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 28 09:23:39 2005 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:23:02 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles , Tom Gimer Subject: Attorney recommendation (Not for me...) Can anyone recommend an attorney to assist with a speeding ticket and possible suspension of driving privileges in Allegany County, Cumberland (city), Md? Gimer? Thanks, Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 28 14:08:03 2005 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Attorney recommendation To: Aaron Maurer , DC-Cycles how fast was friend driving? where is friend licensed? --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > (Not for me...) > > Can anyone recommend an attorney to assist with a > speeding ticket and > possible suspension of driving privileges in Allegany > County, > Cumberland (city), Md? > > Gimer? > > Thanks, > > Aaron Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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The computer glitches were found in Ford's police-designed- Crown Victoria model, of which about 2,600 units are part of Pennsylvania State Police fleets, and are the apparent cause of nearly one-third of the crashes that police experience, the Philadelphia Daily News reported. According to Motorola's year-long study, police lights, radios, computers and other power equipment overload the cruisers' electrical systema, interfering with the computers and radar guns. The controversy has caused a record number of drivers to challenge the validity of speeding tickets written in Pennsylvania, and prosecutors have been known to drop speed- ing charges rather than contest the accuracy of radar data. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 28 21:22:30 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Hmmmm... Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:22:30 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79aec9ff2d120594da84d5c234e4d39f32350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Outstanding. Motorola identifies radar-gun glitches PHILADELPHIA, -- Motorola Inc. engineers have identified "widespread vehicle power system problems" responsible for police laptop crashes and inaccurate radar-gun readings. The computer glitches were found in Ford's police-designed- Crown Victoria model, of which about 2,600 units are part of Pennsylvania State Police fleets, and are the apparent cause of nearly one-third of the crashes that police experience, the Philadelphia Daily News reported. According to Motorola's year-long study, police lights, radios, computers and other power equipment overload the cruisers' electrical systema, interfering with the computers and radar guns. The controversy has caused a record number of drivers to challenge the validity of speeding tickets written in Pennsylvania, and prosecutors have been known to drop speed- ing charges rather than contest the accuracy of radar data. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 28 21:45:51 2005 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:45:32 -0500 Subject: Re: American Super Camp Cc: scooterfzr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: Laura Roach From: Randy Moran I'm signed up for the class on 23-24 OCT. I 'll stop by, of course. It's been a long time! RPM On Monday, March 28, 2005, at 07:32 PM, Laura Roach wrote: > scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Well, since I didn't get into the April camp in Harrington, DE, I >> just signed up for the October 21-22 dates. They just recently >> posted them on their site so, I better be able to get into this one. >> ;-) Any other takers? >> >> www.americansupercamp.com >> >> Scooter >> >> > You'd better come visit us at the shop when you're here!!!!! > > :) > Laura > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 01:01:43 2005 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:02:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: dccycles.com update I got in touch with Chris Weaver, the webmaster for dccycles.com. He said I can take over the site and the domain name, he doesn't have any interest in keeping it going. Unfortunately, he can't log in to change the DNS servers, and he has an old email address on file, so he is having trouble getting it turned over to me. Tomorrow, the name servers that supported dccycles.com will go down along with the site and archive access through www.dccycles.com. I have temporarily added an alias from http://www.troutman.org/dcc/ to the content for reference until DNS can be worked out. It would be a shame to let the domain die, but it is up to Chris now. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 07:18:05 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dccycles.com update Content-ID: <14706.1112098668.1@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:17:49 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >... Tomorrow, the name servers that supported >dccycles.com will go down along with the site and archive access through >www.dccycles.com. Again, lest there be any confusion, this email list is dc-cycles.org, and is not affected by this. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 11:10:59 2005 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:10:49 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: gsxr 1000 1100 http://mywebpages.comcast.net/picspace1/rightfront.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/picspace1/right.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 11:13:38 2005 Subject: Need a great accident lawyer From: lister lynch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:12:45 -0500 The accident I had on 3-16-05 was with a person who had rented a Jaguar from Hertz. Hertz is "self insured" meaning they don't have an insurance company. They did their own internal investigation of the accident (the other guy's account) and determined that they are not responsible. I am furious. I need a great lawyer to make these guys pay. Issue is, NO witnesses came forward, and the police didn't write a report. I'm so pissed off at the whole thing, I can't see straight. This will be the 4th time in 6 years that someone has hit me pulling a stupid maneuver and the gloves are off this time. Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 12:32:10 2005 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:32:24 -0500 To: lister lynch , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Need a great accident lawyer At 11:12 AM 3/29/05 -0500, lister lynch wrote: >The accident I had on 3-16-05 was with a person who had rented a Jaguar >from Hertz. Hertz is "self insured" meaning they don't have an >insurance company. They did their own internal investigation of the >accident (the other guy's account) and determined that they are not >responsible. > >I am furious. What does your insurance company say? What does the guy say? How does he explain the situation such that it's your fault? I wouldn't contact him about it, just wondering what you've heard from him or of him so far. Did the police issue any tickets? He hit you...he owes you. Whether insurance companies get involved or not is a separate issue. His insurance won't pay? He's still liable if he damaged you and you can prove it. He can take up the lack of coverage with his insurer if he likes. If your coverage says your company owes you, they should pay you...and then they can sue the guy or his insurer if they like to recover the money, or just eat it if they decide it isn't worth it. >I need a great lawyer to make these guys pay. I'd check with my insurer first if I was you. First, they may pay for the lawyer and take on the suit themselves for you, to avoid having to pay you out of their pocket. Second, there may be agreements between you and your insurer in your policy that come into play if you file a suit on your own and it would be best to understand that first. >Issue is, NO witnesses >came forward, and the police didn't write a report. Yeah, but you were smart enough to get some pictures of the vehicles at the scene. They may or may not be enough, but at least it's *some* evidence. The state of your bike is more...the locations and types of damage can show how the impact occurred. I'd go back and get some longer views of the place it happened too...so you can show where the vehicles were in the scene by tying the close ups to the longer ones and help understanding of who was where. >This will be the 4th time in 6 >years that someone has hit me pulling a stupid maneuver and the gloves >are off this time. I'd feel the same way. I'd also be questioning whether I'm riding defensively enough or not. I'm not saying you aren't, I'm just saying that that many accidents in that time would make me question it. Seems like a lot...though depending on where and when you do most of your riding, it may be normal enough. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 12:39:24 2005 From: Elie Rosenblum Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:39:13 -0500 To: lister lynch Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need a great accident lawyer X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.8 (raven.cosanostra.net [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:39:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/723/Thu Feb 24 06:54:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on raven.cosanostra.net X-Virus-Status: Clean On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 11:12:45AM -0500, lister lynch wrote: > The accident I had on 3-16-05 was with a person who had rented a Jaguar > from Hertz. Hertz is "self insured" meaning they don't have an > insurance company. They did their own internal investigation of the > accident (the other guy's account) and determined that they are not > responsible. > > I am furious. > > I need a great lawyer to make these guys pay. Issue is, NO witnesses > came forward, and the police didn't write a report. I'm so pissed off > at the whole thing, I can't see straight. This will be the 4th time in 6 > years that someone has hit me pulling a stupid maneuver and the gloves > are off this time. In VA, I'd recommend greenspun & mann in fairfax. They're handling a beltway rear-ending case for my girlfriend. Don't have contact info offhand, I'm sure they're in the book. They would handle all the contacting of insurance companies and such, don't let your insurance talk you into something you're not happy with. -- Elie Rosenblum http://www.cosanostra.net Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 13:44:01 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: lister lynch , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need a great accident lawyer Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:43:50 -0500 If you file a claim with your insurance they will go after the other guy to get thier money back. Might even get your dedecutible back. Thats how I worked it with my accident. When I got rear-ended the other guys insurance company found me 25% at fault because I stopped/slowed down for a police vehicle with it's lights on. I got upset and I just filed with my company. Got my truck fixed the way I wanted it (the other company wanted to put used parts on a 4 month year old truck). 6 weeks later I got my 500 dollar deductible back from my ins. company, becuase they recovered it from the other guys insurance. That said you can't get too upset about these things, just be glad your still ok, thats why you have insurance for these type of situations. :) Regards, Rob On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:12:45 -0500, lister lynch wrote > The accident I had on 3-16-05 was with a person who had rented a Jaguar > from Hertz. Hertz is "self insured" meaning they don't have an > insurance company. They did their own internal investigation of the > accident (the other guy's account) and determined that they are not > responsible. > > I am furious. > > I need a great lawyer to make these guys pay. Issue is, NO witnesses > came forward, and the police didn't write a report. I'm so pissed > off at the whole thing, I can't see straight. This will be the 4th > time in 6 years that someone has hit me pulling a stupid maneuver > and the gloves are off this time. > > Mike -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 13:54:42 2005 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:53:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: jkop@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Nighthawk for Sale For Sale: Honda, '92 Nighthawk 750, excellent condition, 23k, windshield, new tires & battery, red, $2,300. Call Jeff at 301-320-8868. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 14:30:05 2005 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Need a great accident lawyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Was this GEICO by chance? --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Got my truck fixed the way I wanted it (the other > company wanted to put used > parts on a 4 month year old truck). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 14:41:46 2005 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need a great accident lawyer To: lister lynch , dc-cycles@XXXXXX refresh my memory.... were you hurt? --- lister lynch wrote: > The accident I had on 3-16-05 was with a person who had > rented a Jaguar > from Hertz. Hertz is "self insured" meaning they don't > have an > insurance company. They did their own internal > investigation of the > accident (the other guy's account) and determined that > they are not > responsible. > > I am furious. > > I need a great lawyer to make these guys pay. Issue is, > NO witnesses > came forward, and the police didn't write a report. I'm > so pissed off > at the whole thing, I can't see straight. This will be > the 4th time in 6 > years that someone has hit me pulling a stupid maneuver > and the gloves > are off this time. > > Mike > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 15:08:12 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Dave Yates" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Hmmmm... Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:07:53 -0500 Isn't this old news? I have deja vu.... Rob On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:22:30 -0500, Dave Yates wrote > Outstanding. > > Motorola identifies radar-gun glitches > > PHILADELPHIA, -- Motorola Inc. engineers have identified > "widespread vehicle power system problems" responsible > for > police laptop crashes and inaccurate radar-gun readings. > The computer glitches were found in Ford's > police-designed- > Crown Victoria model, of which about 2,600 units are > part > of Pennsylvania State Police fleets, and are the > apparent > cause of nearly one-third of the crashes that police > experience, the Philadelphia Daily News reported. > According > to Motorola's year-long study, police lights, radios, > computers and other power equipment overload the > cruisers' > electrical systema, interfering with the computers and > radar > guns. The controversy has caused a record number of > drivers > to challenge the validity of speeding tickets written in > Pennsylvania, and prosecutors have been known to drop > speed- > ing charges rather than contest the accuracy of radar > data. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 15:09:40 2005 Subject: Re: Need a great accident lawyer From: lister lynch To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:08:42 -0500 Yes. Initially I had severe pain in my right ankle that prohibited me from walking easily. Since then walking has become easier, however there is still some pain in my foot and ankle. X-rays were negative for fractures. Additionally, my right shoulder sustained an injury from the accident, not immediately apparent following the event. It is nearly impossible to push off my right elbow to raise my body from a lying position, as if getting out of bed. This is painful when you forget in the morning when you are still sleepy. The pain radiates around the front of the shoulder. It's very difficult to live with. Mike On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 14:41, Tom Gimer wrote: > refresh my memory.... were you hurt? > > --- lister lynch wrote: > > The accident I had on 3-16-05 was with a person who had > > rented a Jaguar > > from Hertz. Hertz is "self insured" meaning they don't > > have an > > insurance company. They did their own internal > > investigation of the > > accident (the other guy's account) and determined that > > they are not > > responsible. > > > > I am furious. > > > > I need a great lawyer to make these guys pay. Issue is, > > NO witnesses > > came forward, and the police didn't write a report. I'm > > so pissed off > > at the whole thing, I can't see straight. This will be > > the 4th time in 6 > > years that someone has hit me pulling a stupid maneuver > > and the gloves > > are off this time. > > > > Mike > > > > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) > - http://www.murphygimer.com > - http://www.mgtitlellc.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 29 16:20:28 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Rob Sharp" , "Dave Yates" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Hmmmm... Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:20:09 -0500 Not old news just another occurance of the same thing. This was about a certain brand of radar guns PA state police were using this time. http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2004/12/09/editorial/editorial/daily01.txt On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:07:53 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote > Isn't this old news? I have deja vu.... > > Rob > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:22:30 -0500, Dave Yates wrote > > Outstanding. > > > > Motorola identifies radar-gun glitches > > > > PHILADELPHIA, -- Motorola Inc. engineers have identified > > "widespread vehicle power system problems" responsible > > for > > police laptop crashes and inaccurate radar-gun readings. > > The computer glitches were found in Ford's > > police-designed- > > Crown Victoria model, of which about 2,600 units are > > part > > of Pennsylvania State Police fleets, and are the > > apparent > > cause of nearly one-third of the crashes that police > > experience, the Philadelphia Daily News reported. > > According > > to Motorola's year-long study, police lights, radios, > > computers and other power equipment overload the > > cruisers' > > electrical systema, interfering with the computers and > > radar > > guns. The controversy has caused a record number of > > drivers > > to challenge the validity of speeding tickets written in > > Pennsylvania, and prosecutors have been known to drop > > speed- > > ing charges rather than contest the accuracy of radar > > data. > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 30 09:22:17 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:22:13 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Dale Horstman CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Vintage Road Ride - Apr 24 - No. VA Actually, I'm not sure what "vintage" is here. I know everyone will be happy to see your '82 GS. Folks enjoyed seeing my '81 CB750F with sidecar. I guess it's mostly 1970's bikes and older, but that depends a lot on the bike. Last time I was there a Water Buffalo and a Rotary showed up. There was also a Vincent, that took only three people pushing to get it started! And no, even though the riders are typically also vintage - some from before the 1970's! - there is no calculation for rider's age plus bike's age :-) best, Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:03:28 -0500 >Chris Norloff wrote: > >>Vintage Road Ride - April 24 - Clifton, Virginia 20124 >>sponsored by Potomac Vintage Riders >> >>Modern bikes welcome; vintage bikes discount >> >>http://www.potomacvintageriders.com/ >> >> >> >Chris, > >What's the definition of "vintage"? Would my >'82 Suzuki GS850 G qualify? > >Hork > >-- >Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi >CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G > >The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally >Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 30 09:54:47 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:54:20 -0500 From: skip To: onefaller@XXXXXX Subject: Federal agency removes your right to privacy All, I am not one to sound the panic alarm without cause. The action taken by the National Telecommunications and Information Administration ("NTIA") is an egregious and offensive move to anyone who values their right to privacy. NTIA has decided unilaterally and without input from anyone to disallow private registration of .us domains. In fact, all current registrars will have their information made public in January of 2006. Please. Check out http://www.thedangerofnoprivacy.com/?isc=GDG0329US Sign the petition. Mail your representatives, because they weren't notified of this either. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 30 10:07:56 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:07:45 -0500 From: smthng else To: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Vintage Road Ride - Apr 24 - No. VA On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:22:13 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: > Last time I was there a Water Buffalo and a Rotary showed up. Mmm... Water Buff! My first street bike. I'd snag another one in a heartbeat (pending wife approval, of course) if I could find the '73 model with the front disks and any original intake setup on it. I'm planning on running out there, but won't know for sure until a little closer to the date. Werk schedule sux right now. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 30 10:28:59 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:28:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need a great accident lawyer To: lister lynch Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX based upon your limited injuries, it's highly unlikely you'll find a lawyer who wants to spend much time on your case. there just isn't much value to it. <--- harsh reality however, i recommend kevin goldberg for all accident victims. he's a friend with offices in silver spring, md, is licensed in md and dc and has va lawyers on staff as well. 301 589-2999 x102 is his number. please tell him i referred you if you call. --- lister lynch wrote: > Yes. Initially I had severe pain in my right ankle that > prohibited me > from walking easily. Since then walking has become > easier, however > there is still some pain in my foot and ankle. X-rays > were negative for > fractures. Additionally, my right shoulder sustained an > injury from the > accident, not immediately apparent following the event. > It is nearly > impossible to push off my right elbow to raise my body > from a lying > position, as if getting out of bed. This is painful when > you forget in > the morning when you are still sleepy. The pain radiates > around the > front of the shoulder. It's very difficult to live with. > > Mike > > On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 14:41, Tom Gimer wrote: > > refresh my memory.... were you hurt? > > > > --- lister lynch wrote: > > > The accident I had on 3-16-05 was with a person who > had > > > rented a Jaguar > > > from Hertz. Hertz is "self insured" meaning they > don't > > > have an > > > insurance company. They did their own internal > > > investigation of the > > > accident (the other guy's account) and determined > that > > > they are not > > > responsible. > > > > > > I am furious. > > > > > > I need a great lawyer to make these guys pay. Issue > is, > > > NO witnesses > > > came forward, and the police didn't write a report. > I'm > > > so pissed off > > > at the whole thing, I can't see straight. This will > be > > > the 4th time in 6 > > > years that someone has hit me pulling a stupid > maneuver > > > and the gloves > > > are off this time. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) > > - http://www.murphygimer.com > > - http://www.mgtitlellc.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 30 11:10:03 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:09:36 -0800 (PST) From: Sally Weaver Subject: DC Cycles Website To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX All, Sorry about the delay on the website. Chris is working on it. It should be resolved by tomorrow. Thanks for your patience. Sally __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 30 11:17:21 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Federal agency removes your right to privacy Content-ID: <2843.1112199439.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:17:19 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >I am not one to sound the panic alarm without cause. In case this isn't painfully obvious to everybody (it should be), this is _not_ an appropriate forum for political topics unrelated to motorcycling. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 30 11:29:56 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:29:31 -0500 From: skip To: Harry Mantakos CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Federal agency removes your right to privacy Harry Mantakos wrote: > > >I am not one to sound the panic alarm without cause. > > In case this isn't painfully obvious to everybody (it should be), > this is _not_ an appropriate forum for political topics unrelated > to motorcycling. > -harry all right.... sheesh! just thought that others might be interested in another freedom lost... but your point is well taken. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 30 12:40:38 2005 X-Sasl-Enc: 2nuqVsnZTGw3hZaEYN176lami+irLkl/iUmZL1Sqtecx 1112204422 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Filtering e-mail, was Re: Federal agency removes your right to privacy Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:40:22 -0500 On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:17:19 -0500, "Harry Mantakos" said: > >I am not one to sound the panic alarm without cause. > > In case this isn't painfully obvious to everybody (it should be), > this is _not_ an appropriate forum for political topics unrelated > to motorcycling. > -harry Harry, Without going into the content of the message (which I agree isn't a DC-Cycles topic, and I even own a *.us domain), my question is that since the sender sent out this message with DC-Cycles as a BCC, my filter didn't catch it so it went to my main inbox vs. my DC-Cycles box. (you guys get your own special inbox!!) Right now I filter based on looking for "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" in the TO/CC headers. Once in a while a DC Cycles message slips by because the sender used a BCC and I have to figure out where this thing came from. I'm trying to find a better way to filter. In the full heading, I see: X-Mail-from: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, and Received: from dirty.meretrix.com. Are these likely to remain constant? If so, I'll try to filter off of them. Most e-mail lists I belong to now have soemthing in the subject like [List-Name] that I filter off of, but the few that don't, I can usually get away with the To/CC field, or From: if it is a digest. Thanks, Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Pls consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation: http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 31 16:35:59 2005 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:36:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: http://www.dccycles.com/ is back FYI, Chris got back into his NS account and transferred it to me. http://www.dccycles.com/ is alive again at my expense. If anyone is interested in developing content or managing the site (for free), please let me know off line. I can give you ftp access to the server which is running straight html. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 31 22:14:22 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Keeping Motorcycling Scenic Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:14:08 -0500 Fellow biker river rats -- You've seen it in the news: The Potomac River Cleanup is this Saturday, 4/2, 9a-12n, Rain or Shine. Lotsa sites available for volunteers; gloves, bags, etc. are supplied. http://www.potomaccleanup.org/ Click on "River Cleanup." Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Honk if you see someone trashing. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun.