From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 03:49:56 2005 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:45:27 -0500 From: skip CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: It's Official - Va. Red Light Cams Dead I did finally get an answer to my letter to my delagate. he opposes the red light cameras, and is working to ensure that the sun sets on them. --skip Paul Wilson wrote: > > Unless something extraordinary happens, the Virginia red light camera > program will expire at the end of June. > > ------------- > > (AP) - Local pilot programs in Virginia Beach and northern Virginia > that use cameras to catch red light runners will end as scheduled July > 1 because of a parliamentary ruling Thursday (2/24) by House of > Delegates Speaker William J. Howell. > > The House Militia, Police and Public Safety Committee last week > rejected legislation to extend the "photo red" programs in several > northern Virginia localities and Virginia Beach. However, the Senate > revived the programs in a floor amendment to a bill requiring > motorists to stop and provide their license plate number when they > have an accident. > > Howell, R-Stafford, ruled the amendment was improper because the > objects of the amendment and the bill were not closely related. > > "The original bill dealt with the duty of a driver to stop after an > accident. The Senate substitute seems to have added something about > red light cameras," Howell said. "...Even I can figure this one out. I > don't believe it's germane." > > House Majority Leader H. Morgan Griffith of Salem asked for the ruling. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 08:49:19 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 05:48:31 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Will work for boots! To: DCCycles smthng sighed: )B“My quest for new boots goes sadly unfulfilled. :( I got sniped on eBay for a perfect pair of Sidi Vertigo's tonight... SIX SECONDS!!!)B” Battley)B’s bargain balcony had some Sidis. Dunno which ones but IIRC they looked like Vertebrae. For those interested in flip up helmets, they had a few Nolans for $125 and a bunch of Schuberth)B’s for $300. For the serious biker, there were some Harley thongs. 8^D Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '96 ST1100 (Stumped for a name) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 10:00:24 2005 Subject: RE: Will work for boots! Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:00:20 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DCCycles" My .02: I bought my Vertebraes from Fast Lane Cycles and they had a decent selection of sizes and colors when I bought mine. www.fastlanecycles.com Unfortunately, a piece of metal debris on I-66 sliced right through one of them and almost took out my toes, not to mention knocking my foot off the peg and launching a tankslapper. I'll see if I still have the mpg of me waving all 5 fingers through the whole :) I bought a pair of Frank Thomas boots to replace them. Alas, until a Cycle Gear opens in the area you'll have to go online to shop there. http://www.cyclegear.com/index.cfm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA DEL *.* = 100% file compression Battley's bargain balcony had some Sidis. Dunno which ones but IIRC they looked like Vertebrae. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 12:04:53 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Dc-Cycles'" Subject: RE: It's Official - Va. Red Light Cams Dead Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:04:23 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79326deed059f586129c4cadd5bc7fe744350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Skip: I did finally get an answer to my letter to my delagate. he opposes the red light cameras, and is working to ensure that the sun sets on them. [Dave] Maybe we could collectively get together and offer UnFairTax some pathetic amount of money for one of their cams, which we could "sentence" to death by some voted upon means. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 14:02:51 2005 Subject: News item about the lane merging issue Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:02:45 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002192177_lanecheaters28m.html Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 15:16:02 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: paging Randy Moran... :) To: DC-Cycles Hi everyone. Does anyone have a working email for Randy Moran? The one I had off his old race site is bouncing back to me. Wanted to ask if he knew a guy named Mark Neff out in the NOVA area (anyone else feel free to reply back if they know him too :) ) Other than that, big hiya to everyone back there. I'm stationed in st. louis for the next 3.5 years (probably back to DC next). I'm re-entering the race world after too long off. In fact, next sunday I'm doing a track day at Hallet Raceway to do some suspension tweaking on the bike (and to get me back in shape). Hope everyone is doing well! Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 16:22:26 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:22:23 -0500 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: paging Randy Moran... :) On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:15:52 -0800 (PST), Collin T. Fagan wrote: > In fact, next sunday I'm > doing a track day at Hallet Raceway to do some suspension tweaking on > the bike (and to get me back in shape). Good to hear from ya! you do any of the WERA National stuff, let us know - I'll prolly be following the circuit again this year, doing track photography. (Had some stuff published in Roadracing World last year!) What will you be riding? - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 18:39:56 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:39:43 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: Battery Tender/Hawker Odyssey fallout? http://batterytender.com/notice_odyssey.php?osCsid=e2348e55521de2fecdbe615838f36428 Interesting. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 19:30:38 2005 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Will work for boots! Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:30:57 -0500 Don't know whether this is a good price or not, but in case you missed it on CL yesterday: http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/61716700.html Dave Lowenstein ----- Original Message ----- > smthng sighed: > "My quest for new boots goes sadly unfulfilled. :( I > got sniped on eBay for a perfect pair of Sidi > Vertigo's tonight... SIX SECONDS!!!" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 21:25:27 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: stoppie fun Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:25:08 -0500 http://www.scottishbiker.com/getagrip/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 1 23:15:53 2005 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:17:58 -0500 To: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: stoppie fun At 09:25 PM 3/1/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: >http://www.scottishbiker.com/getagrip/ That site uses ActiveX...so it's only viewable by those using Windows with browser security turned off (i.e. set to "foobar" me mode)...admittedly a fairly large audience, but certainly not everyone who might be interested. Why do people artificially limit their audiences like that? I though a web page was to communicate things, not hide them behind such barriers? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 07:35:41 2005 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:34:46 -0500 Subject: Re: stoppie fun From: Randy Moran To: "Mike B." , (DC Cycles) dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually, it worked fine on my Mac using the Apple browser, Safari, and without having to mess with any settings. RPM On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, at 11:17 PM, Mike B. wrote: > > That site uses ActiveX...so it's only viewable by those using Windows > with > browser security turned off (i.e. set to "foobar" me > mode)...admittedly a > fairly large audience, but certainly not everyone who might be > interested. > Why do people artificially limit their audiences like that? I though > a web > page was to communicate things, not hide them behind such barriers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 09:55:46 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:55:15 -0500 A friend of mine said two wheeled tuesday on Speed vision had a segment near the end interviewing bike thieves or something.. it comes on again now, at 10 a.m. if you're by a tv and interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 10:39:42 2005 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:40:51 -0500 To: Randy Moran , (DC Cycles) dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: stoppie fun Another user said it apparently uses Flash, and guessed that the ActiveX is trying to install that software on my machine. Sounds reasonable. If you already have Flash capability, that wouldn't come up. Does your Mac support ActiveX? Or just quietly ignore it? -- Mike B. At 07:34 AM 3/2/05 -0500, Randy Moran wrote: >Actually, it worked fine on my Mac using the Apple browser, Safari, and >without having to mess with any settings. > >RPM > >On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, at 11:17 PM, Mike B. wrote: >> >> That site uses ActiveX...so it's only viewable by those using Windows >> with browser security turned off (i.e. set to "foobar" me >> mode)...admittedly a From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 10:48:27 2005 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:47:58 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Battery Tender/Hawker Odyssey fallout? And the response: http://www.odysseyfactory.com/odycharg_c.htm On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:39:43 -0500, Aaron Maurer wrote: > http://batterytender.com/notice_odyssey.php?osCsid=e2348e55521de2fecdbe615838f36428 > > Interesting. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 12:18:51 2005 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:18:26 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: stoppie fun > Another user said it apparently uses Flash, and guessed that the ActiveX is > trying to install that software on my machine. Sounds reasonable. If you > already have Flash capability, that wouldn't come up. It be Flash. I'm behind a firewall that totally blocks Active-X controls and the game ran just fine. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 2 22:18:23 2005 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:18:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah I caught it last night when I came home from work at 12. It was interesting but not too terribly informational from what I already knew as far as the best place to park and such. It was interesting that the price for a stolen bike was soo low. I didn't think that it'd be all that high but 600$ for a R6 that's scary. Ian 2004 R6 --- Daniel wrote: > A friend of mine said two wheeled tuesday on Speed > vision > had a segment near the end interviewing bike > thieves or something.. > > it comes on again now, at 10 a.m. if you're by a tv > and interested. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 08:20:55 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (OT: dumb scammers - fwd) WORK WITH US - good laugh Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:20:33 -0500 ROTFL normally I get spammed by these scammers all the time, but this was one I got this morning that I find absolutely hilarious, since this is exactly how it came and hasn't been altered in anyway. LOL Sorry to be off topic, but I'm compelled to share it here, because i Know this kind of crap has been discussed before, with the nigerian cheque scammers. On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:45:25 +0000 (GMT), harold wrote: > >Dear Friend, >I am SCROTUM HAROLD JOHN,from califorina U.S.A based in LONDON.we are a group of > business men who deal on import and export raw materials into canada,America >Europe.and Asia, We are searching for representatives who can help us >establish a medium of getting to our costumers in the canada,America >Europe.and Asia. As well as making payments through you as our payment officer. > >Please if you are interested in transacting business with us we >will be very glad. Please contact us for more information.Subject to >your satisfaction you will be given the opportunity to negotiate your >mode of which we will pay for your services as our representative in your country. >If you are interested in this transaction, forward the information >below to us at :[haroldscrotum@XXXXXX] > >(1)Your full names, >(2)Contact address and, >(3)Phone/fax numbers. > >Thank you for your time. >Best Regards. >MR Scrotum Harld. J >Managing Director/Ceo >Credence coating service Ltd >24-34 hartwrth avenue >east evertonlondon >England >EMAIL: haroldscrotum@XXXXXX > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Mail sent from WebMail service at PHP-Nuke Powered Site >- http://yoursite.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 08:37:46 2005 From: Daniel To: Ian Schmidt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:37:29 -0500 I would bet dollars to donughts (donuts cost about a dollar anyway) that the guy chose to downplay what he charged. For any of the following reasons: 1. Speed vision may have told him to, in order to not intice potential theives. ( Hardly seems worth it. ) 2. He may have already told the D.A. who convicted him that's what he was charging and wants to stick to his story I mean $600 split two to four ways doesn't carry a lot of juice on the streets (what movie was that from, badboys?). I would guess the prices were probably double what he was stating. I mean hell you could pull off a set of wheels, or bodywork, and have 500 to 1000 right there. When I first heard his prices, I said they are a bunch of idiots, they could get a job and make the same amount of money and not risk getting shot or going to jail.. then i realized, he's probbaly fudging the numbers. Then again, he and his crew might be crack heads, who will sell their mother for $20. I suspect the prices were at least double.. but still! Oh and btw theives will go in your home garage. I know a guy who's garage was broken in to. Heard of a couple of other stories too. That segment really was a waste, saying all the stuff we already knew anyway. "don't park in a apt complex". I wonder if he got a slap on the wrist.. for one he's out, for two, speed vision didn't mention it as a deterent. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:18:15 -0800 (PST), Ian Schmidt wrote: >Yeah I caught it last night when I came home from work >at 12. It was interesting but not too terribly >informational from what I already knew as far as the >best place to park and such. It was interesting that >the price for a stolen bike was soo low. I didn't >think that it'd be all that high but 600$ for a R6 >that's scary. > >Ian >2004 R6 > > >--- Daniel wrote: > >> A friend of mine said two wheeled tuesday on Speed >> vision >> had a segment near the end interviewing bike >> thieves or something.. >> >> it comes on again now, at 10 a.m. if you're by a tv >> and interested. >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 08:59:16 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Daniel'" , Ian Schmidt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:59:07 -0500 This kinda reminds me about the discovery show "it takes a thief". You want some home security tips watch that show. They showed previews of the next show and they get their bike stolen. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:daniel.dc@XXXXXX] To: Ian Schmidt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves I would bet dollars to donughts (donuts cost about a dollar anyway) that the guy chose to downplay what he charged. For any of the following reasons: 1. Speed vision may have told him to, in order to not intice potential theives. ( Hardly seems worth it. ) 2. He may have already told the D.A. who convicted him that's what he was charging and wants to stick to his story I mean $600 split two to four ways doesn't carry a lot of juice on the streets (what movie was that from, badboys?). I would guess the prices were probably double what he was stating. I mean hell you could pull off a set of wheels, or bodywork, and have 500 to 1000 right there. When I first heard his prices, I said they are a bunch of idiots, they could get a job and make the same amount of money and not risk getting shot or going to jail.. then i realized, he's probbaly fudging the numbers. Then again, he and his crew might be crack heads, who will sell their mother for $20. I suspect the prices were at least double.. but still! Oh and btw theives will go in your home garage. I know a guy who's garage was broken in to. Heard of a couple of other stories too. That segment really was a waste, saying all the stuff we already knew anyway. "don't park in a apt complex". I wonder if he got a slap on the wrist.. for one he's out, for two, speed vision didn't mention it as a deterent. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:18:15 -0800 (PST), Ian Schmidt wrote: >Yeah I caught it last night when I came home from work >at 12. It was interesting but not too terribly >informational from what I already knew as far as the >best place to park and such. It was interesting that >the price for a stolen bike was soo low. I didn't >think that it'd be all that high but 600$ for a R6 >that's scary. > >Ian >2004 R6 > > >--- Daniel wrote: > >> A friend of mine said two wheeled tuesday on Speed >> vision >> had a segment near the end interviewing bike >> thieves or something.. >> >> it comes on again now, at 10 a.m. if you're by a tv >> and interested. >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 09:11:09 2005 From: Daniel To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Cc: Ian Schmidt , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:10:50 -0500 when does it come on? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 09:45:19 2005 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:47:24 -0500 To: Daniel From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:37 AM 3/3/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: >I mean $600 split two to four ways doesn't carry a lot of juice on >the streets (what movie was that from, badboys?). I would guess the >prices were probably double what he was stating. I mean hell you >could pull off a set of wheels, or bodywork, and have 500 to 1000 >right there. When I first heard his prices, I said they are a bunch >of idiots, they could get a job and make the same amount of money and >not risk getting shot or going to jail.. then i realized, he's >probbaly fudging the numbers. I'll go for the "he's one of a bunch of idiots" option. $600 for an R6 may well be the going rate. How much would you pay for a bike you can't title or get plates for (other than by stealing them)? A bike that you will get arrested for if you are caught riding it? It's a "throwaway" if you buy it...unless you are a chopshop. If you are going to chop the bike up and sell the parts to people looking for "good deals" on e-Bay or whatever (like some on this list?), then it is worth a lot more than $600. You can sell any part that doesn't carry ID (VIN for instance) for a good percentage of the replacement part cost. Doing this requires that you have a little computer knowledge, 'net access, and an address or account to use to receive payments (and none of the usual morals). It's unlikely that our damned bike thieves have any of that (except the lack of morals), so they are going to be selling the bike to someone who does...and that person is going to offer them just enough to make it worth their while, not enough to make them rich. $600 for an hour's work, even split 4 ways, isn't bad when your alternative is flipping burgers at $5/hour. Especially since the $600 is tax free. Anything you do that will pay you that much (if you are the sort of useless slime that steals bikes) carries the risk of jail time. The risk isn't that high anyway...you have to get caught first, then they have to decide to prosecute, then they have to convict you, and even then you are likely to walk out on probation several times before they actually make you serve any real time. The jails are full of minor drug offenders, and besides, you are "underprivileged" and grew up without proper opportunities, so society owes you some breaks, right? One more chance...so don't do it again, ok? And even if you do go to jail, that's 3 squares and a cot with no working for it, probably with a lot of people you already know (who probably have some ideas on other lines of "work" for you to try, or advice on how not to get caught again), and when you get out, you now have a "rep" with the sort of people you like to hang out with. It's like a promotion. You aren't interested in being a productive part of society, so the fact that your "rep" interferes with this is of no concern...you are scum, you've accepted that, and it gives you permission to prey on society without feeling any remorse for your ways. $600 and all you have to do is jack some rich punk's ride while he's sleeping? Show the way! The above may or may not apply to the particular idiot the if from the show, but it certainly applies to a lot of them. Anyone who buys "good deals" from e-Bay or elsewhere, without trying to verify that the parts were acquired legally, is contributing to the situation by creating a market for the stolen parts. Any seller who objects to your trying to verify that is probably a the if, or hasn't really thought through the situation very well. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 13:24:26 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (OT: dumb scammers - fwd) WORK WITH US - good laugh Content-ID: <1641.1109874263.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:24:23 -0500 From: harry@XXXXXX >Sorry to be off topic, but I'm compelled to share it here... Everybody, please resist the compulsion to post non-motorcycling stuff to the dc-cycles list. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 15:14:09 2005 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:09:25 -0500 From: skip To: harry@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: (OT: dumb scammers - fwd) WORK WITH US - good laugh --unless they call themselves "scrotum" or unles harry gets bent out of shape about teh funnay harry@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Sorry to be off topic, but I'm compelled to share it here... > > Everybody, please resist the compulsion to post non-motorcycling > stuff to the dc-cycles list. > -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 19:25:34 2005 From: "Jay Goddard" To: Subject: Re: two wheeled Tuesday bike thieves Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:25:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:47:24 -0500 To: Daniel From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: two wheeled tuesday bike thieves Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:37 AM 3/3/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: >I mean $600 split two to four ways doesn't carry a lot of juice on >the streets (what movie was that from, badboys?). I would guess the >prices were probably double what he was stating. I mean hell you >could pull off a set of wheels, or bodywork, and have 500 to 1000 >right there. When I first heard his prices, I said they are a bunch >of idiots, they could get a job and make the same amount of money and >not risk getting shot or going to jail.. then i realized, he's >probbaly fudging the numbers. Selling a stolen bike is like anything else, that bike has half a dozen stops from crook to the consumer, each person jacks it up a bit. Hot cars get sold by the original thief for around $2500 (so the cops say), and it is a lot harder to steal 20 cars in a night than it is to steal 20 bikes. When you buy a steak at the Safeway you pay $7 a pound, do you think the farmer gets paid that much? Chopping bikes and selling the parts is about the same as chopping cows. -- Thanks!! Jay Goddard Don't forget about our 2nd annual Daytona Party 301-340-0886 Jay@XXXXXX http://www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 3 20:10:11 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: skip@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (OT: dumb scammers - fwd) WORK WITH US - good laugh Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:09:53 -0500 That took a lot of balls! Perry >From: skip >To: harry@XXXXXX, DC Cycles >Subject: Re: (OT: dumb scammers - fwd) WORK WITH US - good laugh >Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:09:25 -0500 > >--unless they call themselves "scrotum" > > > > > > >or unles harry gets bent out of shape about teh funnay > >harry@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > >Sorry to be off topic, but I'm compelled to share it here... > > > > Everybody, please resist the compulsion to post non-motorcycling > > stuff to the dc-cycles list. > > -harry > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 00:41:48 2005 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Fear and Loathing in a Snow-Phobic City To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ok so I'm a week late on the thread. I think you guys in DC got more snow this year than we got in Chicago. 2 days ago it was dusting a little bit and the ground temp was at that margin of freezing when I rolled up a red light at oh about 15mph. Something about the intersection looked "off" so I gently applied the rear brake. Immediately lost the rear and fishtailing big time. Let go of the rear brake and got it back but now tried the front. Locked up solid and skipping sideways. That won't work, try the rear again. big-oscilations side to side. Now I'm thinking this is not very good. I'm 6 ft from plowing straight into cross traffic and wouldn't you know it I'm about to T-bone the CTA bus if I'm lucky. If he gets on the brakes he won't stop in time but I'll drift far enough forward that he'll broadside me and send me flying into the corner building. Feet down in drag mode. I don't think ice cleats would have done any good. By a miracle the front tire finds just enough traction to stop me 1ft short of the bus. I'm staring at the billboard for a TV show with the catch line "And they were watching God" move past my nose. Ya think? I don't know what it was about that intersection. I had no issues the rest of the day but it was like I was standing on vaseline. Good thing the bike could pretty much balance itself because my feet might as well be soled with ball bearings. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 10:06:57 2005 From: Daniel To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fear and Loathing in a Snow-Phobic City Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:06:42 -0500 LOL @ the bill board. Good story! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 10:40:40 2005 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:26:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: last try - Chris Weaver!?! Anyone know how to get ahold of Chris? If I don't talk to him right away, he may lose control of the dccycles.com domain (unrelated to the dc-cycles.org listserv). I can't move it for him, and he isn't responding on his yahoo email address. My web server moves next Thursday, but the company I was working for will shut down their DNS servers the following week. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 12:24:21 2005 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:24:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Back Packs for Motorcycles To: DCCycles , SabMag Rider Magazine has an article on back packs for motorcycles that was interesting until . . . I saw the prices. =8^O I)B’ve been commuting by motorcycle into Washington DC for a couple of decades. During that time, I)B’ve used a JanSport back pack (the second one cost $20) or a cloth brief case (freebie). For the back pack, I simply laid the pack on the back part of the saddle, hooked the straps around the turn signals and pulled them tight. When I started using the freebie brief cases, I did the best thing you can do to two bungee cords: Select a bungee that will fit snugly over the saddle when the hooks go through the holes on the passenger pegs. Next tie another bungee cord (of appropriate length*) to the first bungee smack dab in the middle of both (A square knot Scouts, not a grannie knot). Flop the brief case on the saddle; stretch the two free bungee ends over the case and hook them to something. For the back pack, the cross-tied bungees now hold it even more securely. )B“Something” depends on the size of the load and the bike. On my )B‘85 Sabre, a turn around the turn signals and then to the passenger grab bar works for small loads. Large loads can be held by hooking to the side rails or the grab bars. The )B‘83 Interceptor has less to hook on so the bungees)B’ loose ends are usually hooked together and stretched under the license plate. The )B‘96 ST1100 also has a set of bungees even though it has bags and a Givi Maxia top case. When I picked the ST up in Boston, the cross-tied bungees held the stock saddle nicely on the back of the Corbin. Another time, a )B“clearance sale” router kit would not fit in the Givi but the bungees held it just dandy for the trip home. I)B’ve tried bungee nets but they only last a year, if that long. Their short life is likely because the bungee cord is so thin and the rubber is thus more vulnerable to the DC summer sun. The cross-tied bungees last several years, cost less than half the cost of a bungee net, and the variety of lengths make them more flexible. One more plus for the cross-tied bungees. When camping, I load sleeping bag, pad, and tent in a duffle (too big for the Teknic saddle bags). The Teknic bags ($75 at CAD) have a strap that go over the duffle diagonally. I add another big bungee over the duffle crossways to the strap. Finally, the cross-tied bungees provide handy and ready redundancy and back up to the primary strap and bungee (Didja understand and comprehend that? :^). This double system has worked well for years. Last January it held my gear safely during the 2000 mile jaunt down Baja. Some of the other geezers envied the ease with which I loaded and unloaded. Carl S. Custer Bethesda, MD Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '96 ST1100 (Stumped for a name) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 12:29:05 2005 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:37:25 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Carl Custer CC: DCCycles , SabMag Subject: Re: Back Packs for Motorcycles Carl Custer wrote: >Rider Magazine has an article on back packs for >motorcycles that was interesting until . . . >I saw the prices. =8^O > > > I agree that some of the prices are high. I'm not sure which backpacks you're talking about, but a big seller we've had lately are the axio hardpacks. They are really nice. They also just came out with a mini. They are very cool, but run between $95 and $145. Ouch! The price doesn't seem to deter anyone, though. Laura Roach www.speedwerks.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 13:03:39 2005 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:05:43 -0500 To: Carl Custer , DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Back Packs for Motorcycles At 09:24 AM 3/4/05 -0800, Carl Custer wrote: >Next tie another bungee cord (of appropriate length*) >to the first bungee smack dab in the middle of both (A >square knot Scouts, not a grannie knot). Alternatively, use a metal ring to connect two shorter cords. A set of bungies I found at Costco came with one like that. Their version had the bungies clamped around the ring at their midpoint, but that seems to be optional to me. >rails or the grab bars. The )B‘83 Interceptor has less >to hook on so the bungees)B’ loose ends are usually Most Harley dealers and at least a couple of aftermarket catalogs sell bungie nuts. They replace nuts on the bike, or go on the ends of bolts you can add anywhere you need one, and provide a place to hook bungie cords. They are chrome, round, have a flange to keep the hook from sliding off. One example is at: http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product?showCustom=0&Pr=p _Product.CATENTRY_ID%3A2004407&catalogId=10111&productId=2004407&langId=-1&t mplframe=EndecaCategoryView§ion=body&tmplhome=StoreCatalogDisplay&storeI d=10101&ss=10111 $5/pair for those. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 14:02:01 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:01:39 -0500 Have you ever dropped your phone while riding... Man that sucks. I've broke one phone that way and lost another.. found it ran over. Oh and while we're on the topic... Anyone have a sprint phone they're not using and want to sell? My phone kicked the bucket.. and I gave my back up phone to my brother in law. Doh! - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 15:40:27 2005 Subject: RE: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:40:21 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Have you ever dropped your phone while riding... Man that sucks. I forgot to zip all 12 pockets on my First Gear Scout and of course the one pocket left open had my Erickson Sprint phone. While riding on the Inner Loop I heard a clunk as the phone hit the gas tank and bounced onto the pavement. I turned around to see a Mayflower moving van hit it with every wheel but the spare :) Since I was in the far right lane, the phone got ejected into the breakdown lane. I stopped and walked back a quarter mile and found the battery, the phone was 20 yards further and the shredded leather case a few feet beyond that. I put the battery back in, turned it on and made a phone call. Of course, my current, smaller phone wouldn't do as well. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 16:54:04 2005 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:53:48 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Back Packs for Motorcycles To: Laura Roach , DCCycles --- Laura Replied: > I agree that some of the prices are high. I'm not > sure which backpacks > you're talking about, but a big seller we've had > lately are the axio > hardpacks. They are really nice. [Carl:] IIRC, those are designed to carry lap tops safely. > They are very cool, but run between $95 and $145. > Ouch! The price > doesn't seem to deter anyone, though. [Carl:] I claim to be parsimonious. My wife sez I'm cheap. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 17:04:00 2005 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:03:42 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Re: Back Packs for Motorcycles To: "Mike B." , DCCycles Mike offered, > Alternatively, use a metal ring to connect two > shorter cords. [Carl:] In my experience, a good square knot is superior to the ring. The square knot gives you more options as to color and length of bungees plus, the knot doesn't rust. But maybe that's just me. > Most Harley dealers and at least a couple of > aftermarket catalogs sell bungie nuts. > $5/pair for those. [Carl:] $5! That'd buy two more bungees and . . . you'd have money left over to buy a big bag of chips and a big bottle of Beck's. Umm, Beh-ekks Do you Yahoo after that first Friday beer? __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 17:09:32 2005 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Thompson Subject: RE: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was riding my GSXR to school once and lost my Motorola Star-Tac at about 55mph on Rt 29. I stopped, went back to get it, worked fine for two more years. It wasn't run over, thankfully. I lost the antenna, and the display was alittle fuzzy after the fall, but it always worked perfectly. Nick --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > Have you ever dropped your phone while riding... > Man that sucks. > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 17:17:53 2005 From: "Fred Grefe" To: "DCCycles" Subject: KZ650 service manual - free Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:17:42 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac0549fb11073be4ad33d5c0d3f7bcee3c9675bde8e835c838d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Cleaning my garage and found a '78-80 Kawasaki KZ650 service manual. Free to a good home. Shoot me an e-mail of you want it, otherwise it goes out with the trash on Tuesday. -Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 17:33:59 2005 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:35:17 -0500 To: DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Back Packs for Motorcycles At 02:03 PM 3/4/05 -0800, Carl Custer wrote: >Mike offered, >> Alternatively, use a metal ring to connect two >> shorter cords. > >[Carl:] In my experience, a good square knot is >superior to the ring. The square knot gives you more >options as to color and length of bungees plus, the >knot doesn't rust. But maybe that's just me. Use a stainless steel ring. Or a gold one. ;-) Color and length aren't affected by the ring deal, if you make the setup yourself. The bungee set I got did only have one set up that way though. >> $5/pair for those. > >[Carl:] $5! That'd buy two more bungees and . . . Yeah, but where would you hook them? If you already have enough locations you don't need the nuts. Some folks still have paint they don't want scratched up though. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 4 17:58:33 2005 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:58:30 -0500 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? After dropping my Motorola phone out of pockets/jacket/clip/tank bag more times than I like to think about (thankfully never while at speed), I got one of their rubber armored weatherproof versions. Since then I've never dropped it once... Robert On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:11 -0800 (PST), Nick Thompson wrote: > I was riding my GSXR to school once and lost my > Motorola Star-Tac at about 55mph on Rt 29. I stopped, > went back to get it, worked fine for two more years. > It wasn't run over, thankfully. I lost the antenna, > and the display was alittle fuzzy after the fall, but > it always worked perfectly. > > Nick > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 5 09:12:18 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:11:56 -0500 I thought I was cool.. i installed a cigarette lighter on my bike in the trunk.. I charged my phone often... sometimes in my pocket. One time I put my phone on charge and sat it on the back seat. I forgot about it and rode off. Got home and had a heart attack. I found the cord went into the wheels and got chewed. Went back and found the phone run over and pulverized. DOH. And for some reason in the car, I might take a call, hang up, and i don't put it in my pocket, but sit it on my lap. Of course it's time to get out the car and the phone falls every time. DOH. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 5 12:12:25 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speaking of backpacks for riding Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:12:16 -0500 I just saw this and thought it might work well for those who prefer to commute, etc. with a pack. This is a pretty elaborate courier-style bag and it's on sale for $20.00! http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=188819 Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 5 13:42:48 2005 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:42:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Speaking of backpacks for riding At 12:12 PM 3/5/2005, you wrote: >I just saw this and thought it might work well for those >who prefer to commute, etc. with a pack. This is a pretty >elaborate courier-style bag and it's on sale for $20.00! > >http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=188819 > >Perry ...thanks for the tip Perry. Personally, I think it looks a little girly girl ;-) think I'll stick to my saddle bags. -aki -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 5 19:13:06 2005 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:32:03 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Speaking of backpacks for riding On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Perry Coleman wrote: > I just saw this and thought it might work well for those who prefer to > commute, etc. with a pack. This is a pretty elaborate courier-style bag and > it's on sale for $20.00! Is anyone else like me and they don't like the idea of having something strapped to them in the unlikely (or likely in this area?) event of a get-off? Seems like a backpack would greatly increase the chance of a serious back injury. I use a tankbag or tailpack when I need to carry stuff (which is frequently). -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 5 20:07:29 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of backpacks for riding Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:07:21 -0500 Aki, I hear ya! Having factory saddlebags AND an add-on Givi trunk, not to mention a large, expandable tankbag and assorted duffels and bungies means never having to worry about wearing a backpack (at least while riding)... And then there's the FG Kilimanjaro with about 50 pockets! ;^) Perry >From: Aki Damme >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Speaking of backpacks for riding >Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:42:31 -0500 > >At 12:12 PM 3/5/2005, you wrote: > >>I just saw this and thought it might work well for those who prefer to >>commute, etc. with a pack. This is a pretty elaborate courier-style bag >>and it's on sale for $20.00! >> >>http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=188819 >> >>Perry > > >...thanks for the tip Perry. Personally, I think it looks a little girly >girl ;-) >think I'll stick to my saddle bags. > >-aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 6 00:46:39 2005 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:48:05 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Speaking of backpacks for riding At 07:32 PM 3/5/05 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >Is anyone else like me and they don't like the idea of having something >strapped to them in the unlikely (or likely in this area?) event of a >get-off? Seems like a backpack would greatly increase the chance of a >serious back injury. I've thought about that too. I'm not sure though whether it would help or harm. On the one hand you have it catching on something and yanking body parts in strange ways, or just adding extra mass to be stopped by impact on your body. On the other, if you happen to land on your back, it's extra padding and ablative material between your skin and the pavement. I'm not sure what percentage of the time it would do more harm than good, and I've never heard of any tests to try to determine that. I've decided not to go that route though, and if I ever do need to for some reason, to have a bag with weak attachment points. My theory is that the more weight I have up high, the worse the handling will be, so even if all else is equal, I'd rather have the load on the seat or sport rack out back then up on my back. >I use a tankbag or tailpack when I need to carry stuff (which is >frequently). I have a SAC bag that fits over the sissy bar pad and straps to the rear turn signal mounts or the sports rack. The bag goes behind the sissy bar if I have a passenger (sitting on the sports rack), or on the passenger seat if I don't (where it becomes a back rest ;-). I have a much larger one that works together with the little one for longer trips (only used it once so far, but it worked very well). They call them the SAC and Half SAC bags, and you can get them as a set if you like (I think it was about $110 for both). The half sac is big enough to carry a spare helmet in (even full face) with room to spare for smaller items, like towels, tools, phones, spare T-shirts or whatever. I got them at Patriot H-D's open house last June, but they also sell mail order: http://www.coolsac.com/Browse.aspx?grouping_sku=310-sissybarcat&category_cod e=LUGGAGE My only complaint was that they weren't as waterproof as one might like...they resisted for a bit, but then soaked through (it started raining at the Bay Bridge Tunnel toll plaza, and kept up all the way into southern Va. Beach). I had everything inside in trash bags, so no harm done, and the bags dried out overnight, so it wasn't a major disaster...and they do sell a waterproof rain cover with it's own external pockets to go over the SAC bags if you want one. As far as service goes, on the trip to Va. Beach last summer I managed to step on one of the plastic quick disconnect buckles and broke off the "ears" that lock it in place. The bag made the ride home just fine anyway (bungees), and I called them to order a replacement. They sent it free...said the bag comes with a lifetime guarantee...I pointed out that it didn't fail by defect, it failed from getting stepped on, and they said it didn't matter, no charge for the replacement part. Can't ask for better than that! They have some other things to sell as well, but I haven't tried any of them yet. One item is an air horn...some folks here were talking about that a few months back... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 6 21:25:09 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: District RedLight/Speed cameras map Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:24:36 -0500 The hard copy 3/4/05 freebie City Paper has an informative map showing District camera locations (and suggested avoidance routes). Page 17. (Web has story only, it seems.) Enjoy. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Next gizmo for me -- programmed speed adjustments when nearing cameras. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 6 21:35:12 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: A scoop on Ebay Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:35:00 -0500 Buying or selling on Ebay? A full page plus on current company business gyrations (fees, Paypal, directions, etc.) EBay's Joy Ride: Going Once ... http://www.nytimes.com/auth/login?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/06/busi ness/yourmoney/06ebay.html&OP=14b79bf8/}lZL}gNarINNEQ2B}Q2BFFS}Fq}Fw}LQ3ErxQ 22Zrr}RNQ3EIJNQ22ZR}FwZLKRQ3BPEJ8 (may require registration). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Every ride's a joy. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 09:14:59 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:14:40 EST Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map To: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Aren't they getting rid of them? Or is that only in Virginia? Scooter In a message dated 3/6/2005 9:25:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: The hard copy 3/4/05 freebie City Paper has an informative map showing District camera locations (and suggested avoidance routes). Page 17. (Web has story only, it seems.) Enjoy. Bill S. / DC (on digest) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 09:15:08 2005 From: Daniel To: "W.S." Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:14:44 -0500 I noticed the camera @ NY ave & 3rd street tunnel (or maybe the one before it) was gone... On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:24:36 -0500, "W.S." wrote: >The hard copy 3/4/05 freebie City Paper has an informative map showing >District camera locations (and suggested avoidance routes). Page 17. (Web >has story only, it seems.) > >Enjoy. > >Bill S. / DC (on digest) >'99 VN750 > Next gizmo for me -- programmed speed adjustments when nearing >cameras. >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 09:20:08 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:19:54 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: "ScooterFZR@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map Cc: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Only in Virginia. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:14:40 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Aren't they getting rid of them? Or is that only in Virginia? > > Scooter > > In a message dated 3/6/2005 9:25:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX > writes: > > The hard copy 3/4/05 freebie City Paper has an informative map showing > District camera locations (and suggested avoidance routes). Page 17. (Web > has story only, it seems.) > > Enjoy. > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 09:20:42 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:20:36 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: "ScooterFZR@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map Cc: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > Aren't they getting rid of them? Or is that only in Virginia? That would be Virginny. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 09:35:48 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:35:37 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Aren't they getting rid of them? Or is that only in >Virginia? > >Scooter [Dave] Nope. Only enlightened, civilized jurisdictions are getting rid of the traffic cameras. Bass-ackwards, podunk hick jurisdictions are retaining them... ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 10:23:12 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:22:55 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map To: DC-Cycles >I noticed the camera @ NY ave & 3rd street tunnel (or >maybe the one before it) was gone... [Dave] AAA is saying that DC is stacking cameras where there isn't such a public safety need for them at the expense of other intersections where there is a greater need. I wonder if that's having an effect. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 10:24:47 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:19:52 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? I had a nokia for a couple years, and that thing took more tumbles at speed that I can count, though everytime it was from sitting on the dashboard of the cage and flying out the passenger windwo as i made a left turn. I had a guy trying to sell me a phone one time. I asked how durable they were, he said, "very!" I tossed my phone about 10 feet in the air, let it hit the ground, picked it up and made a call. I asked if he would do that. he said, "no, not -that- durable." I used it until the display went intermittent. It wasn't the sexiest phone, but it took everything I threw at it (and it at) for almost three years. Daniel wrote: > > Have you ever dropped your phone while riding... Man that sucks. > I've broke one phone that way and lost another.. found it ran over. > > Oh and while we're on the topic... Anyone have a sprint phone > they're not using and want to sell? My phone kicked the bucket.. > and I gave my back up phone to my brother in law. Doh! > > - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 10:44:59 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:44:51 -0500 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: have you ever dropped your phone while riding? On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:19:52 -0500, skip wrote: > I had a nokia for a couple years, and that thing took more tumbles at > speed that I can count, I had a Nextel Motorola non-flip model (SX85 I think) that bounced down the HOV lanes at about 70 mph and it just needed a new face plate. However I also had one of the Nextel "flip" i1000's that took one drop at the same speed and immediately exploded into god-knows-how-many pieces. My Nokia 3650 has taken two high-speed tumbles and shows no problems with those. I haven't tested my new Audiovox SMT-5600... yet. Can't find a good case for that one yet, so I'm guessing it won't be too happy with it. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 12:04:37 2005 Subject: must-read!!! Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:04:30 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , "DC Cycles" For a lot of reasons that are often contradictory, the sight and sound of a man and a motorcycle has an unpleasant effect on the vast majority of Americans who drive cars. At one point in the wake of the Hell's Angels uproar a reporter for the New York Herald Tribune did a long article on the motorcycle scene and decided in the course of his research that "there is something about the sight of a motorcyclist that tempts many automobile drivers to commit murder". Nearly everyone who has ridden a bike for any length of time will agree. The highways are crowded with people who drive as if every their sole purpose in getting behind the wheel is to avenge every wrong ever done them by man, beast or fate. The only thing that keeps them in line is their own fear of death, jail and lawsuits......which are much less likely if they can find a motorcycle to challenge, instead of another two-thousand pound car or a concrete abutment. A motorcyclist has to drive if everybody else on the road is out to kill him. A few of them are, and many of those who aren't just as dangerous- because the only thing that can alter their careless, ingrained driving habits is a threat of punishment either legal or physical, and there is nothing about a motorcycle to threaten any man in a car. A bike is totally vulnerable; its only defense is maneuverability, and every accident situation is potentially fatal-especially on a freeway, where there is no room to fall without being run over almost instantly. - Hunter S. Thompson "Hell's Angels" This is an absolutely stellar read....witness the great prose From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 12:36:24 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:36:12 EST Subject: Re: District RedLight/Speed cameras map To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Damn it. That sucks. :-( Not that I've ever gotten a red light runner, I just don't think they're fair. Scooter In a message dated 3/7/2005 9:20:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, amaurer@XXXXXX writes: Only in Virginia. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:14:40 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Aren't they getting rid of them? Or is that only in Virginia? > > Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 16:12:08 2005 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: must-read!!! Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:11:46 -0500 I ride often and mostly I meet admirers. I don't believe most drivers want to kill motorcyclists. I don't think it's inherent in the nature of man, and I don't think it's the fear of punishment keeping drivers from killing motorcyclists. Maybe it was just him that they wanted to kill.. and evidently he agreed with them. I doubt he was even lucid doing that. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:04:30 -0500, "Julian Halton" wrote: > >For a lot of reasons that are often contradictory, the sight and sound >of a man and a motorcycle has an unpleasant effect on the vast majority >of Americans who drive cars. At one point in the wake of the Hell's >Angels uproar a reporter for the New York Herald Tribune did a long >article on the motorcycle scene and decided in the course of his >research that "there is something about the sight of a motorcyclist that >tempts many automobile drivers to commit murder". > >Nearly everyone who has ridden a bike for any length of time will agree. >The highways are crowded with people who drive as if every their sole >purpose in getting behind the wheel is to avenge every wrong ever done >them by man, beast or fate. The only thing that keeps them in line is >their own fear of death, jail and lawsuits......which are much less >likely if they can find a motorcycle to challenge, instead of another >two-thousand pound car or a concrete abutment. A motorcyclist has to >drive if everybody else on the road is out to kill him. A few of them >are, and many of those who aren't just as dangerous- because the only >thing that can alter their careless, ingrained driving habits is a >threat of punishment either legal or physical, and there is nothing >about a motorcycle to threaten any man in a car. A bike is totally >vulnerable; its only defense is maneuverability, and every accident >situation is potentially fatal-especially on a freeway, where there is >no room to fall without being run over almost instantly. > >- Hunter S. Thompson >"Hell's Angels" > >This is an absolutely stellar read....witness the great prose > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 16:43:59 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:43:41 EST Subject: Re: must-read!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I ride often and mostly I meet admirers. I don't believe most > drivers want to kill motorcyclists. Most do not. What do you suppose the ratio is? One in a hundred? One in a thousand? A hundred thousand? Ride enough miles and you _will_ encounter just the driver described. How long does it take to encounter a hundred thousand drivers? If one driver in five hundred thousand is a homicidal maniac and you ride a couple of hundred thousand miles you will cross paths with one at some time in some place. The point is to be aware that not everyone out there is sane and benevolent. Never _ever_ assume that the cage driver you are "dueling" with is not in fact trying to kill you. And then there are the drunks... John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 18:47:17 2005 From: Daniel To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: must-read!!! Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:46:48 -0500 I hear what you're saying. I assume any car will enter my path at any given moment and I ride accordingly. As far as dueling.. either I'm going to fast for anything to last a few seconds until poof i'm gone, OR I'm completely yeilding to all who surround me. You want to enter the road way, you want to change lanes.. sure buddy come on over. Even give you a wave to direct you to go ahead. I've encountered a few idiots who were pissed off, even dangerous, mostly at other riders around me.. but that's a far cry from drivers having an unwarranted desire to kill us riders. On the other hand, that guy was a hells angel or something i guess? Maybe they do want to kill them.. what do they have the reputation of rapists killers and drug dealers? stuff like that.. I guess people would feel that way about _them_. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:43:41 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >> I ride often and mostly I meet admirers. I don't believe most >> drivers want to kill motorcyclists. > >Most do not. >What do you suppose the ratio is? One in a hundred? One in a thousand? A >hundred thousand? Ride enough miles and you _will_ encounter just the driver >described. How long does it take to encounter a hundred thousand drivers? If one >driver in five hundred thousand is a homicidal maniac and you ride a couple of >hundred thousand miles you will cross paths with one at some time in some >place. The point is to be aware that not everyone out there is sane and benevolent. >Never _ever_ assume that the cage driver you are "dueling" with is not in >fact trying to kill you. >And then there are the drunks... > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > >1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 7 20:03:15 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Emergency cellphone dialing Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:03:04 -0500 Just happened to stumble across what seems to be an authoritative blog comment on the subject (my cell is always with me on the bike, for emergencies). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > No solo emergencies yet, knock wood. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. *************** (The first part is setup: The best is below the "snip") Did you know that you are able to dial 911 even when the keypad is locked? And I'm not talking about the advanced pass-code locking. Using the basic method of holding down the End key to lock your handset. Why is this a big deal, you may be asking. I'll tell you. My daughter, who is almost 3 years old, took my cellphone out of my coat pocket the other night and was pretending to call her friends. I just happened to notice the screen had 911 plastered at the top of it. Acting quickly, I was able to prevent another accidental 911 call by my daughter. So be careful of your handset, even if you've locked the keys. The emergency workers are busy enough. I wouldn't mind seeing this feature turned off. I really don't like the idea of any keys working while the handset is locked. However, I do understand why it is designed this way. . . . snip [new author] Ah, the beauty of emergency dialing. I actually owned this screen for Smartphone, so I can provide some insight. This is a GSM Association requirement. From the SIM lock screen you must be able to dial any of the emergency number codes associated with the handset. On Smartphone the default numbers are 911 (US/Canada), 112 (Most of europe), and 08 (Mexico). This list can be configured through SIM card. The relevant specification is 02.30 , section 4.4.2.2 and Annex A. The screen you have above though isn't SIM lock, it's keyguard. So why does this work there? We went with the spirit of the regulation and made keyguard and device lock also allow emergency dialing. Another interesting aspect to this is we don't actually send the number you dialed to the network. Instead we say "oh, you dialed an emergency number" and send a special command to the network that says "emergency call coming through!". This means you can dial ANY of the supported emergency numbers and you'll reach emergency services. You can actually give this a try (heh) by dialing 08 and pressing send. You'll get 911. Yet another factoid about this: in the U.K. mobile operators are not actually required to connect you to emergency services if you aren't one of their customers. The mobile operators actually pay a hefty fee for each emergency call (on the order of $40 I think!), so there are actually some operators that don't let the calls go through if you're roaming on their network. _________________ [name snipped] Program Manager Microsoft Visual Studio for Devices [Full transcript at http://www.smartphonethoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=51242] *********** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 00:08:50 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:54:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Western Counties (Prince William, Loudoun, Fauquier) Update I took a "clear my head" ride today for a couple of hundred miles. Throughout the solo ride, I hit Nokesville, Warrenton, FR, Middleburg, etc. Many of the roads were left in excellent condition this Winter, with a few exceptions. The road that runs from 55 to Middleburg (changes names several times, called Halfway at one point) has several large patches of road acne. The scarring is so severe, I'm afraid this road may never get a prom date. In addition, the "screw up your line" debris is a combination of sand, crushed stone and tons of gathered salt. Mostly in the corners of course. I'd give it a pucker factor of 3 out of 5. Traditional roads like 55 and 50 were in excellent and clean shape for the most part. 55 was cleaner in towards Haymarket than in Front Royal, but not bad shape overall. Shortcut roads such as Beverlys Mill and Dumfries were in very good shape, except in the sweeping downhill portions. My thermometer reads 64, and I am happy to be free to ride today. I broke a sweat in my full Winter gear (duh!) and I crushed more than a few bugs on my visor. Looking forward to the coming of Spring and its road cleaning rains in April. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 07:43:35 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Western Counties (Prince William, Loudoun, Fauquier) Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > I took a "clear my head" ride today for a couple of > hundred > miles. Throughout the solo ride, I hit Nokesville, > Warrenton, FR, > Middleburg, etc. Many of the roads were left in > excellent condition this > Winter, with a few exceptions. The road that runs > from 55 to Middleburg > (changes names several times, called Halfway at one > point) I think you are referring to the "The Plains Road" Glenn __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 08:11:49 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:11:38 EST Subject: Re: must-read!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/7/2005 6:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, daniel.dc@XXXXXX writes: > On the other hand, > that guy was a hells angel or something i guess? Maybe they do want to > kill them.. what do they have the reputation of rapists killers and > drug dealers? stuff like that. During the height of the movie fueled "bad biker" insanity a friend of mine pulled up behind a car, the guy in the car saw the bike behind him stopped, rolled up his windows, and laid down on the seat, clearly terrified. My friend rode past, and later came up behind him again, and the guy did it again! My friend was a teenager out delivering newspapers on a _90cc_ bike. These morons cannot tell the difference between the reality of bikers (as opposed to the bullshit movie versions.) much less tell the difference between a kid on a Honda 90 and a Hells Angel. Point? As far as these people are concerned _you_are_ a Hells Angel and deserve to die. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 08:56:33 2005 Subject: Excerpt Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:56:31 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , I just quoted that to show his writing style. I wan't trying to imply I agree with everything he writes. Here is a paragraph that I will read and keep in mind... " One night in the winter of 1965 I took my own bike- and a passenger over the high side on a rain-slick road just north of Oakland. I went into an obviously dangerous curve at about seventy, the top of my second gear. The wet road prevented leaning it over enough to compensate for the inertia, and somewhere in the middle of the curve I realized that the rear wheel was no longer following the front one. The bike was going sideways towards a bank of railroad tracks and there was nothing I could do except hang on. For an instant it was very peaceful.... And then it was like being shot of the road by a bazooka, but with no noise. Neither a deer on the hillside nor a man on the battlefield hears the shot that kills him, and a man going over the high side of a motorcycle hears the same kind of high-speed silence. There are sparks, as the chromed steel grinds down on the road, an awful jerk when your body starts cartwheeling on the first impact..and after that if you're lucky, there is nothing at all until you wake up in some hospita; emergency ward with your scalp hanging down in your eyes and a blood-soaked shirt sticking to your chest while official looking people stare down at you and assure each other that "these crazy bastards won't learn". This is a stellar work of non-fiction and I like Thompson's way with words.. I recommend this to everyone From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 09:10:28 2005 From: Daniel To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: must-read!!! Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:10:18 -0500 LOL that's hilarious... I ride a sportbike. they probably would mistake me for "biker boys" type of stuff.. vs hells angels. Probably why I do'nt get the same reaction. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:11:38 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 3/7/2005 6:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, >daniel.dc@XXXXXX writes: > >> On the other hand, >> that guy was a hells angel or something i guess? Maybe they do want to >> kill them.. what do they have the reputation of rapists killers and >> drug dealers? stuff like that. > >During the height of the movie fueled "bad biker" insanity a friend of mine >pulled up behind a car, the guy in the car saw the bike behind him stopped, >rolled up his windows, and laid down on the seat, clearly terrified. My friend >rode past, and later came up behind him again, and the guy did it again! > My friend was a teenager out delivering newspapers on a _90cc_ bike. > >These morons cannot tell the difference between the reality of bikers (as >opposed to the bullshit movie versions.) much less tell the difference between a >kid on a Honda 90 and a Hells Angel. >Point? >As far as these people are concerned _you_are_ a Hells Angel and deserve to >die. > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > >1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 09:16:12 2005 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: , Subject: Re: Excerpt Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:15:59 -0500 Doesn't do much for me.. but to each their own. There are new allegations that he didn't kill himself, that his family did. The gun's chamber was empty yet there was ammo in the clip. The sheriffs reported hearing multiple shots, and the son claimed he was just firing off a few salutes. The son was allowed to go in and place a hankerchief or something over the man, alone with the body. The wife was reported to sit around and drink a brandy in the presence fo hte body instead of calling the police. Those are some weird actions to have going on by family members if the man just shot himself. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:56:31 -0500, "Julian Halton" wrote: > >I just quoted that to show his writing style. I wan't trying to imply I >agree with everything he writes. Here is a paragraph that I will read >and keep in mind... > >" One night in the winter of 1965 I took my own bike- and a passenger >over the high side on a rain-slick road just north of Oakland. I went >into an obviously dangerous curve at about seventy, the top of my second >gear. The wet road prevented leaning it over enough to compensate for >the inertia, and somewhere in the middle of the curve I realized that >the rear wheel was no longer following the front one. The bike was >going sideways towards a bank of railroad tracks and there was nothing I >could do except hang on. For an instant it was very peaceful.... >And then it was like being shot of the road by a bazooka, but with no >noise. Neither a deer on the hillside nor a man on the battlefield >hears the shot that kills him, and a man going over the high side of a >motorcycle hears the same kind of high-speed silence. There are sparks, >as the chromed steel grinds down on the road, an awful jerk when your >body starts cartwheeling on the first impact..and after that if you're >lucky, there is nothing at all until you wake up in some hospita; >emergency ward with your scalp hanging down in your eyes and a >blood-soaked shirt sticking to your chest while official looking people >stare down at you and assure each other that "these crazy bastards won't >learn". > > >This is a stellar work of non-fiction and I like Thompson's way with >words.. I recommend this to everyone From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 11:01:48 2005 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:02:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Reading optional (was: Re: must-read!!!) At 08:11 AM 3/8/05 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >As far as these people are concerned _you_are_ a Hells Angel and deserve to >die. Luckily the tinfoil hats interfere with their aim in most cases... There have always been a certain percentage of nutcases in every population. As ours has risen (are we at 10 billion yet?) the actual numbers have gone up, but the percentage is probably the same or maybe a bit lower (good drugs these days). In the past the nutcases sometimes managed to stampede the majority of the population into joining them (the Crusades, the witch burnings, the holocaust, etc.) but the tendency for that seems to have reduced a bit, at least in the more "developed" countries like ours. Apathy rules! Since it doesn't matter if you are run over by a nutcase on a mission or a careless cell phone yappers, you are just as flat, it makes sense to be a little paranoid of all drivers and take proper precautions. Stay out of "blind spots", don't tailgate, don't pass stupidly/aggressively, signal as the law requires, don't push the yellow into the red (there may be some guy approaching in a cage who's anticipating the green and not slowing at all...I've seen one accident based on this personally), and don't assume that green means that cross traffic is stopped (people do run reds on occasion), don't ride to the limits of you and your bike's ability on the public roads, save some for emergencies, and generally keep in mind that you are a prairie dog wandering around in a herd of bison...you are faster and more maneuverable, but if one of them falls over, or missteps when you aren't paying enough attention to dodge, you are history and they'll almost certainly not be harmed in the process. Getting hurt by malice probably happens sometimes, but getting hurt by carelessness is a lot more common and the cure is pretty much the same in both cases: ride as much as you can so they can't hurt you even if they try and support the AMA's attempts to get some teeth put into the laws so that drivers who are careless pay serious penalties rather than the current wrist slaps for killing people. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 8 18:57:17 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:57:05 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: must-read!!! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > These morons cannot tell the difference between the reality of bikers (as > opposed to the bullshit movie versions.) much less tell the difference between a > kid on a Honda 90 and a Hells Angel. How about a Hell's Angel on a Honda 90? You can never be too careful Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 9 21:11:55 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: must-read!!! Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:12:57 -0500 Yeah I don't know where people get the idea bikers are violent. Have you seen American chopper with the father that is a huge f'ing dude, and is always talking about how he is going to put in a foot in someones ass. Maybe it's comedy to me and you, but you could definetly twist Paul Sr. into a violent guy just by watching his show. I blame the cruiser industry cause you always meet the nicest ppl on a honda. :-D Rob "Honda VFR" Sharp On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:11:38 EST, PenguinBiker wrote > In a message dated 3/7/2005 6:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > daniel.dc@XXXXXX writes: > > > On the other hand, > > that guy was a hells angel or something i guess? Maybe they do want to > > kill them.. what do they have the reputation of rapists killers and > > drug dealers? stuff like that. > > During the height of the movie fueled "bad biker" insanity a friend > of mine pulled up behind a car, the guy in the car saw the bike > behind him stopped, rolled up his windows, and laid down on the seat, > clearly terrified. My friend rode past, and later came up behind > him again, and the guy did it again! My friend was a teenager out > delivering newspapers on a _90cc_ bike. > > These morons cannot tell the difference between the reality of > bikers (as opposed to the bullshit movie versions.) much less tell > the difference between a kid on a Honda 90 and a Hells Angel. Point? > As far as these people are concerned _you_are_ a Hells Angel and > deserve to die. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > > 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 10 00:42:14 2005 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:41:39 -0500 To: "Rob Sharp" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: must-read!!! At 09:12 PM 3/9/05 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >Yeah I don't know where people get the idea bikers are violent. Have you seen >American chopper with the father that is a huge f'ing dude, and is always >talking about how he is going to put in a foot in someones ass. It's not bikers there, it's welders...or maybe fathers. Yeah, probably fathers. My dad couldn't weld, but I heard a lot of the same things from him that Paul Sr. says. "If you drop that, you better drop with it!", "Get it in gear before I put a boot where it will do some good!" Bill Cosby talks about his dad being very much the same: "I brought you into this world, I'll take you out!" Yeah, it's dads that are violent. Avoid them if you can! Maybe they should all just be locked up for the general good? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 10 08:13:22 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:13:03 EST Subject: Re: must-read!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/10/2005 7:02:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah I don't know where people get the idea bikers are violent. Makes me want to kick their asses! > I blame the cruiser industry cause you always meet the nicest ppl on a honda. > :-D I know whatcha mean, I am _way_ to nice for my own F#%*ing good. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 10 09:15:30 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:15:18 EST Subject: Re: must-read!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Favorite Bill Cosby line. "For years I thought my name was Jesus Chris and my brother's was Damnit. My father would always say, 'Jesus Christ what do you think you're doing? Damnit get over here.' One day I was outside playing in the rain and my father said, 'Damnit get your butt in here outta the rain.' and I said 'But dad, I'm Jesus Christ.' I don't remember much after that." lol Scooter (aka Damnit ;-) ) In a message dated 3/10/2005 12:42:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: >Yeah I don't know where people get the idea bikers are violent. Have you seen >American chopper with the father that is a huge f'ing dude, and is always >talking about how he is going to put in a foot in someones ass. It's not bikers there, it's welders...or maybe fathers. Yeah, probably fathers. My dad couldn't weld, but I heard a lot of the same things from him that Paul Sr. says. "If you drop that, you better drop with it!", "Get it in gear before I put a boot where it will do some good!" Bill Cosby talks about his dad being very much the same: "I brought you into this world, I'll take you out!" Yeah, it's dads that are violent. Avoid them if you can! Maybe they should all just be locked up for the general good? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 12 14:32:32 2005 From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AMA Superbike Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:32:16 -0500 I am sure somebody recorded the AMA Superbike race on Saturday. I made a mistake programming the VCR. Can I borrow it from somebody near the Reston/Herndon area? --Altaan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 13 20:34:36 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bikers in High Places Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:34:18 -0500 A short profile by David Jones, President and CEO RayOVac, with biking comments, including a stage appearance. Motivation on Two Wheels http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/business/yourmoney/13boss.html? (may require registration). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Want to be in the movies. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 14 07:46:25 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:53 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Cc: Subject: Reevu MX1 Helmet Has anyone used one of these? View from inside helmet - http://www.reevu.com/images/fr.jpg Pic of helmet - http://www.reevu.com/images/motorbikehelmet_whitelarge.jpg -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 14 09:31:30 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:31:13 EST Subject: Re: Reevu MX1 Helmet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've been e-mailing them for the past year or so trying to find out when it was going to be available to buy. I keep getting the same response of thanks for your interest, we will keep you posted. Still nothing. Scooter In a message dated 3/14/2005 7:46:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: Has anyone used one of these? View from inside helmet - http://www.reevu.com/images/fr.jpg Pic of helmet - http://www.reevu.com/images/motorbikehelmet_whitelarge.jpg -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 14 11:52:11 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:51:56 -0500 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Fwd: Reevu MX1 helmet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thought ya'll might be interested in this. My latest discussion with the Reevu folks. I will probably buy one when they become available and then I'll give my critique. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Nicola Howard To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reevu MX1 helmet Hi Scott, )B  It will probably be after September when we get distribution in the USA because of the increasing demand in Europe. The online solution for the US should be up and running in the next couple of months and I have you on the mailing list for this. We will be mailing everyone on this list when it becomes available. We are hoping the price should be no more than $400 )B  Nicola ----- Original Message ----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: nicola.howard@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reevu MX1 helmet Hi Nicola, )B  I live in Washington, DC in the States.)B  I have no problem buying online.)B  Just wanted to know when they were available.  :-) )B  Scott )B  In a message dated 3/14/2005 9:49:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, nicola.howard@XXXXXX writes: Hi Scott, please can you advise where in the world you are so I can tell you when and where the helmets will be available near you. )B  Nicola ----- Original Message ----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: presales@XXXXXX Subject: Reevu MX1 helmet Hi, )B  I've been e-mailing you for the past year or so about this helmet.)B  Still interested in when it is going to be available for purchase and how much you are going to be charging? )B  Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 14 13:01:51 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:01:37 -0500 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: American Super Camp To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, since I didn't get into the April camp in Harrington, DE, I just signed up for the October 21-22 dates. They just recently posted them on their site so, I better be able to get into this one. ;-) Any other takers? www.americansupercamp.com Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 14 15:19:47 2005 Subject: Accident on I-66 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:19:48 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" I was driving eastbound on I-66 this past Saturday at 3:00 pm when I saw a silver sportbike down in the median at the Nutley exit. The fire and rescue crews were attending to the rider but I didn't see any other vehicles involved. Does anyone know the rider and how they are doing? Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 13:01:22 2005 Subject: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:01:19 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Any tips on the best way to keep Sidi Vertebrae boots from not smelling bad..... after a few hours, my one year old pair interacts with stocking feet in a less than pleasant way. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 13:39:40 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:39:32 -0500 To: From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad At 01:01 PM 3/15/05 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >Any tips on the best way to keep Sidi Vertebrae boots from not smelling >bad..... Don't wear them? ;-) >after a few hours, my one year old pair interacts with stocking feet in >a less than pleasant way. Sounds like they are supporting a healthy bacterial ecology. There are shoe sprays that are supposed to help reduce that sort of thing. Bowling alleys use that stuff on the rental shoes. If you aren't allergic to it, that might help. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 13:47:42 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:47:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad To: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I saw this on tv and it was in reference to everyday shoes, but you can leave those laundry drier softner sheets (not the liquid)inside your shoes overnight and it will remove the smell. I haven't tried it yet (I normally use liquid fabric softners), but plan to for my normally stinky shoes.... Ryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 13:59:42 2005 Subject: RE: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:59:40 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Ryan Santoso" , "Mike B." , The problem with all those sprays and fabric softeners et al..is these things mask the current smell by attempting to overpower it with a stronger and better smell. In my experience this is a recipe for caustic disaster. I am curious about perhaps using bleach to restore the boots to a neutral state. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Santoso [mailto:santosor2001@XXXXXX] To: Mike B.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad I saw this on tv and it was in reference to everyday shoes, but you can leave those laundry drier softner sheets (not the liquid)inside your shoes overnight and it will remove the smell. I haven't tried it yet (I normally use liquid fabric softners), but plan to for my normally stinky shoes.... Ryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 14:05:52 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:05:39 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Do you have something against odor eaters? > > The problem with all those sprays and fabric softeners et al..is these >things mask the current smell by attempting to overpower it with a >stronger and better smell. In my experience this is a recipe for >caustic disaster. I am curious about perhaps using bleach to restore >the boots to a neutral state. > > >-----Original Message----- > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 15:55:09 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:55:02 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: watch your wallets on 95 / PWC To: DCCycles A new revenue enhancement zone has been created... The Virginia Department of Transportation announced Tuesday that an eleven mile stretch of I-95 from the bridge over the Occoquan River to Route 619 will be designated as a Highway Safety Corridor starting on Friday, March 18th. This means drivers face fines of up to $500 for speeding and up to $2500 for criminal offenses, such as reckless driving or driving under the influence. The Virginia Department of Transportation and the Department of Motor Vehicles are using federal safety grant money to raise awareness of the corridor. A section of interstate can be deemed a Highway Safety Corridor after a traffic engineering study and a public comment period. Don't the feds have better things to spend money on? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 20:35:55 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:35:40 EST Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/15/2005 1:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > I am curious about perhaps using bleach to restore > the boots to a neutral state. Try baking soda then, cheap, and non caustic, hell you could eat it. Bleach is damn caustic. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 21:30:55 2005 From: Daniel To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:30:44 -0500 I usually let smelly footwear sit outside.. when I come back to them, they are fine.. of course it's always a while because i forget about them and wear something else. On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:35:40 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 3/15/2005 1:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, >julian@XXXXXX writes: > >> I am curious about perhaps using bleach to restore >> the boots to a neutral state. > >Try baking soda then, cheap, and non caustic, hell you could eat it. Bleach >is damn caustic. > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 21:37:08 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:36:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad At 09:30 PM 3/15/2005, Daniel wrote: >I usually let smelly footwear sit outside.. when I come >back to them, >they are fine.. of course it's always a while because i >forget about >them and wear something else. how about Fabreeze? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 21:46:22 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:46:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Calvin Ledford Subject: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... X-vsuite-type: e Well, I've reached the end - after putting 13k on my new truck (just purchased in August) the commute on 66 into DC has just become unbearable - if the distance from Gainesville wasn't bad enough the typical 4+ hour commute (up from a little over 3 when I started 9 months ago) has pushed me over the edge )B– enough so that the here-to-forbabied/coddled/never-taken-out-of-the-garage-on-anything-but-a-beautiful-weekend-romp Viffer is now going to be pressed into service as a daily commuter - starting Monday - hopefully. I'd really like the advice of other commuters in the local area on the best gear to invest in - especially for the cold weather that is still around. I'm seriously looking at the Aerostitch Darien - but would like the best electric solution and I)B’m not sure )B‘Stitch provides it. Any and all advice would be much appreciated. As far as hauling gear )B– I’m going with the Ventura luggage system I bought a few years back )B– it doesn’t look too cool – but gets the job done. Any advice on waterproof bags for laptops would be much appreciated as well. Finally, (knowing this is going to piss some listers off) I)B’m interested in audio solutions. I)B’m thinking a small XM receiver as I)B’ve got XM in the truck and enjoy it – any comments on what works for you? Any tips of any sort in doing the all-weather commute would be invaluable please feel free to dump them on me! Also, since I'm a digest member I'd appreciate it if you could CC me directly with any replies )B– I can be reached at cledford@XXXXXX Thanks, -Calvin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 22:10:49 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:10:36 -0500 From: smthng else To: cledford@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Viffer is now going to be pressed into service as a daily > commuter - starting Monday - hopefully. Good for you! Shame you picked this time of year though... it be cold right now and I swear that all the weather-people are on crack (I think I cut one of them off without realizing and now they're all lying in order to screw up my ride). > I'd really like the advice of other commuters in the local area > on the best gear to invest in - especially for the cold weather > that is still around. I'm seriously looking at the Aerostitch > Darien - but would like the best electric solution and I'm not > sure 'Stitch provides it. Any and all advice would be much > appreciated. That'll be a nice hunk of change. I manage with my $300 Fieldsheer Zero Condition jacket and pants and maybe a fleece when it's really bad. My heated grips are a neccessity, but heated gloves would have been better (probably cheaper too - I'm a doofus). If I was really spoiled, I'd add a pair of heated socks. The rest of me is okay. (Okay, if I was spoiled AND filthy rich, I'd think about adding a vest too). A good rule of thumb... the more layers you have, the more use you'll get out of them. Basically, a good suit (or jacket and pant combo, whatever) with removable liners and vent opening can do three seasons. Add a couple layers and it can do four. Might not hurt to have other options for extremely hot or cold days though... I have plenty of "mesh" for summer, but am still working on the whole hand and feet thing for winter. I will admit that Aerostich Triple Digit covers are the most useful item I've ever bought in the way of bike clothing. Go look em up... goofy, but they're awesome against cold and/or wet. > As far as hauling gear )B– I'm going with the Ventura luggage > system I bought a few years back )B– it doesn't look too cool – > but gets the job done. Any advice on waterproof bags for > laptops would be much appreciated as well. The only thing I'd totally trust a laptop in is a Givi. They aren't quite as ugly as they used to be. Mine did two days (riding, not just sitting) in last year's hurricane with a laptop in it... not a drop of water in there. > Any tips of any sort in doing the all-weather commute would be > invaluable please feel free to dump them on me! Leave at least half an hour before you need to. I know this what everyone says and no one ever does, but I actually enjoy my morning commute if I'm not being rushed. Ain't that what biking is all about? :) Also, know when to give in... If it's 30 degrees and raining and you don't have the kind of gear that can keep you happy in that, call it quits and take the truck. If you're so miserable that you're not thinking about the surroundings, it won't take long for a cager to remind you. Good luck, have fun and watch out for all the idiots. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 22:45:39 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:45:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:30 PM 3/15/2005, Daniel wrote: > >> I usually let smelly footwear sit outside.. when I come back to them, >> they are fine.. of course it's always a while because i forget about >> them and wear something else. > > > > how about Fabreeze? > > -aki > > > I heard that putting a little bit of kitty litter in your boots does wonders for removing odors. But it only works if you don't have cats. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 15 23:01:16 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:01:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad At 10:45 PM 3/15/2005, Dale Horstman wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: > >>At 09:30 PM 3/15/2005, Daniel wrote: >> >>>I usually let smelly footwear sit outside.. when I come >>>back to them, >>>they are fine.. of course it's always a while because i >>>forget about >>>them and wear something else. >> >> >> >>how about Fabreeze? >> >>-aki >> >> >I heard that putting a little bit of kitty litter in your >boots does >wonders for removing odors. But it only works if you >don't have cats. :) > >Hork use a nylon stocking and stuff it with cedar chips... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 01:29:28 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:29:15 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/15/05 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Do you have something against odor eaters? [JK] Exactly what I was thinking! I had those badboyz in my Sidi's for 4 years (maybe two different pairs of them) and they never smelled badly. YMMV, of course :) JK John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 06:36:21 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Calvin Ledford wrote: > Finally, (knowing this is going to piss some listers off) > I)B’m > interested in audio solutions. I)B’m thinking a small XM > receiver > as I)B’ve got XM in the truck and enjoy it – any comments > on what > works for you? etymotic headphones. picked up a set on ebay. worth every penny. i haven't gone to satellite radio because its reliability in the mountains to me is an unknown.... -- tg Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 07:52:07 2005 Subject: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:51:59 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , Cc: My biggest problem is on days below 28 degrees. I don't use heated gear...At temps below 28 degrees, after a short time my hands and feet start to go...any place the wind can get into, it will but with a nice swaeter and vest and everything zipped up the core is alright. For me it is all about the hands, I have tried at least five or six pairs of gloves including cold weather stuff and after twenty minutes or so, riding is no longer enjoyable and I become distracted. -----Original Message----- From: smthng else [mailto:smthngelse@XXXXXX] To: cledford@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... > Viffer is now going to be pressed into service as a daily commuter - > starting Monday - hopefully. Good for you! Shame you picked this time of year though... it be cold right now and I swear that all the weather-people are on crack (I think I cut one of them off without realizing and now they're all lying in order to screw up my ride). > I'd really like the advice of other commuters in the local area on the > best gear to invest in - especially for the cold weather that is still > around. I'm seriously looking at the Aerostitch Darien - but would > like the best electric solution and I'm not sure 'Stitch provides it. > Any and all advice would be much appreciated. That'll be a nice hunk of change. I manage with my $300 Fieldsheer Zero Condition jacket and pants and maybe a fleece when it's really bad. My heated grips are a neccessity, but heated gloves would have been better (probably cheaper too - I'm a doofus). If I was really spoiled, I'd add a pair of heated socks. The rest of me is okay. (Okay, if I was spoiled AND filthy rich, I'd think about adding a vest too). A good rule of thumb... the more layers you have, the more use you'll get out of them. Basically, a good suit (or jacket and pant combo, whatever) with removable liners and vent opening can do three seasons. Add a couple layers and it can do four. Might not hurt to have other options for extremely hot or cold days though... I have plenty of "mesh" for summer, but am still working on the whole hand and feet thing for winter. I will admit that Aerostich Triple Digit covers are the most useful item I've ever bought in the way of bike clothing. Go look em up... goofy, but they're awesome against cold and/or wet. > As far as hauling gear - I'm going with the Ventura luggage system I > bought a few years back - it doesn't look too cool - but gets the job > done. Any advice on waterproof bags for laptops would be much > appreciated as well. The only thing I'd totally trust a laptop in is a Givi. They aren't quite as ugly as they used to be. Mine did two days (riding, not just sitting) in last year's hurricane with a laptop in it... not a drop of water in there. > Any tips of any sort in doing the all-weather commute would be > invaluable please feel free to dump them on me! Leave at least half an hour before you need to. I know this what everyone says and no one ever does, but I actually enjoy my morning commute if I'm not being rushed. Ain't that what biking is all about? :) Also, know when to give in... If it's 30 degrees and raining and you don't have the kind of gear that can keep you happy in that, call it quits and take the truck. If you're so miserable that you're not thinking about the surroundings, it won't take long for a cager to remind you. Good luck, have fun and watch out for all the idiots. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 08:28:53 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:28:42 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i haven't gone to satellite radio because its > reliability > in the mountains to me is an unknown.... > I will be testing this soon as I just picked up a Sirius satellite receiver. Glenn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 08:34:50 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:52:21 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > i haven't gone to satellite radio because its > > reliability > > in the mountains to me is an unknown.... > > > > I will be testing this soon as I just picked up a > Sirius satellite receiver. I have an XM MyFi. I haven't used it on my bike, but I have used it extensively with the personal antenna (which would be appropriate for a bike) and it works great. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 08:48:20 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:48:06 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: cledford@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute ( long reply ) Calvin Ledford wrote: > Gainesville wasn't bad >enough the typical 4+ hour commute (up from a little over 3 when >I started 9 months ago) has pushed me over the edge )B– enough so > > 4 hours!? wow. >I'd really like the advice of other commuters in the local area >on the best gear to invest in - especially for the cold weather >that is still around. I'm seriously looking at the Aerostitch >Darien - but would like the best electric solution and I)B’m not >sure )B‘Stitch provides it. Any and all advice would be much >appreciated. > > I'm a big cold pussy - but I ride. Tupperware is the best thing to have ( more below ). Aerostictch's stuff is very good, but also give FirstGear a try. FirstGear's Kilimanjaro jacket paired with thier HT over pants will work well. Along with Widder's electrics it'll make a warm setup. You may find the vest to be only thing you need, I've read that the body when cold will stop moving blood to extremites to preserve the core. So if you keep your torso warm your arms and legs should get warm blood. This has worked for me. But, I have to say after *trying* to do close to all year on my old VTR - the best thing you can have is more tupperware - fairing that is. I now ride a ST1300, and on 45 degree days I don't need the 'lectrics, or pants - plastics rule! IIRC the VFR's fairing is rather good, but look into a taller windscreen. It'll help keep the cold air off of you. You may want to consider a balaclava also. Stuff I have A Kilimanjaro like jacket, mine is made by Reima - a Finish company that mainly makes snowmobile stuff. http://www.reima.fi/en/index.html I got it here http://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/ FirstGear HT overpants Wool socks ( i could use better boots ) Heated hand grips! <--- The non-OEM ones are about $30 bucks (sorry smthng :). They go under the grips have two settings - and high is hot as hell - I can use my medium weight gloves. An example here http://www.casporttouring.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=dual_star_e Stuff I might consider: Corbin and others make headed seats - as with anything some say it works wonders others say they could do without. There are DIY kits for heated seats, one is here http://www.heatedseatkits.com/products.html Insulated boots. Feel free to ask me anything else. Good luck, Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 09:05:02 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:04:47 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've got an XM Roadie that I've used on the bike from here to PA. It works pretty good. I use it in my car all the time on that trip. I only lose the signal a couple times in the mountains but, only for a few seconds. Aside from that, I LOVE it. Scooter In a message dated 3/16/2005 8:28:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i haven't gone to satellite radio because its > reliability > in the mountains to me is an unknown.... > I will be testing this soon as I just picked up a Sirius satellite receiver. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 09:15:57 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:15:36 -0500 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Axio Swift Hardpack FS --- WAS: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Speaking of carrying a laptop on a bike. I bought an Axio Swift Hardpack (http://www.axio-usa.com/) a few months ago when I thought I was going to be doing more travel on the bike and taking the laptop with me. That has not happened and it has been sitting in my closet ever since. It is brand new, never been out on the bike. I probably even still have the reciept and original tags from it. Built for hauling laptops on a bike. It is the Carbon Fiber shell model. Paid $160 + s&h for it. First $80 takes it. I'm in DC and you can either pick it up or I will deliver within a reasonable distance. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: smthng else > As far as hauling gear )B– I'm going with the Ventura luggage > system I bought a few years back )B– it doesn't look too cool – > but gets the job done. Any advice on waterproof bags for > laptops would be much appreciated as well. The only thing I'd totally trust a laptop in is a Givi. They aren't quite as ugly as they used to be. Mine did two days (riding, not just sitting) in last year's hurricane with a laptop in it... not a drop of water in there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 09:20:02 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've commuted from Haymarket into DC before (caged) and I share your pain. I used to take backroads (as if they still exist in this area) and it would take me 2 hours each way. I'm curious how long 66 ends up taking you from Gainesville on the bike. Please do share, as I'm considering moving out that way again. As for gear - I'm still a relative noobie, as I've only been on a bike for about a year. But, I've been on a bike nearly every day since I bought my first in Feb. 04. I have assembled a cold weather riding outfit that works pretty well for me at temps down into the 20's (I rode every day this winter regardless of temp, so long as the roads were clear). I am cheap, so I've been trying not-so-fancy ways of staying warm. From inside - out: Top) undershirt, dress shirt, fleece vest, light weight windbreaker-type jacket, JR AlterEgo jacket with liner Bottom) undies, dress slacks, Adidas lined nylon pants, LL Bean insulated ski-pants Feet) dress socks, WalMart non-insulated "special-ops" looking boots Hands) thinsulate liners, TM PolarTex insulated gloves, Aerostich grip warmers Head) full face baklava, full face helmet Temps - if it is above 40 degrees when I leave in the morning, I leave my Adidas pants at home and consider leaving my windbreaker-type jacket behind also. Problems - my hands still get cold. I must have poor circulation or something, because my buddy can ride with just leather sport gloves down into 40 degrees and just be chilly. I would've lost all feeling if I did the same. The Aerostich grip warmers made a world of difference, allowing me to ride the 45 minutes into work on the coldest days, whereas I wouldn't have been able to without them. They work well enough - but next year, I'm getting electric gloves. My hands are the only thing that gets painfully cold, and they still get tingly even with the grip warmers. My feet stay perfectly warm with nothing more than dress socks and cheapy boots. With all the gear on, I still have good flexibility, but it definitely is a far cry from my summer gear. Luggage - I have tried three different tank bags on two different bikes, and I've worn a good backpack. They all work, but I've recently seen the light of Givi ;) . Installed a rack and Givi 360 over the weekend. I am very pleased with it, but haven't had much time to try to break it yet. Coming in from Gainesville is a long haul - I do recommend heated gloves and either many layers or heated clothing. In my experience, I can ride just fine with a cold body, but once my hands go - I am no longer happy or safe. Glad to hear you're joining the ranks :). - Jimmy '03 Rex --- Calvin Ledford wrote: > Well, I've reached the end - after putting 13k on my new truck > (just purchased in August) the commute on 66 into DC has just > become unbearable - if the distance from Gainesville wasn't bad > enough the typical 4+ hour commute (up from a little over 3 when > I started 9 months ago) has pushed me over the edge )B– enough so > that the > here-to-forbabied/coddled/never-taken-out-of-the-garage-on-anything-but-a-beautiful-weekend-romp > Viffer is now going to be pressed into service as a daily > commuter - starting Monday - hopefully. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 09:25:03 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute ( long reply ) To: "De Boeser, Tom" , cledford@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Good point. My previous bike had a bit more plastic on it and it did make a difference. My ZRX is all but naked, so I feel a lot of the breeze. I need a winter and summer bike ;) - Jimmy --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > But, I have to say after *trying* to do close to all year on my old > VTR > - the best thing you can have is more tupperware - fairing that is. > I > now ride a ST1300, and on 45 degree days I don't need the > 'lectrics, or > pants - plastics rule! IIRC the VFR's fairing is rather good, but > look > into a taller windscreen. It'll help keep the cold air off of you. > You > may want to consider a balaclava also. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 10:25:21 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:25:04 EST Subject: This is good. :-) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Get the Drunk Home. Try this and see how far you can keep this drunk man up. Just move your mouse left to right (no clicking) to keep him walking in a straight line. The object of the game is to keep him walking, without falling over, by using your mouse from left to right or right to left.. Apparently the record is 82 meters! And it's in German CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW TO PLAY - IT'S ADDICTIVE. _http://www.wagenschenke.ch/_ (http://www.wagenschenke.ch/) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 10:35:01 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:34:39 EST Subject: Re: Keeping motorcycle boots from smelling bad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/15/2005 9:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, daniel.dc@XXXXXX writes: > I usually let smelly footwear sit outside.. when I come back to them, > they are fine.. Last time I did that my boots came out smelling like the furry critter that was using them for a den. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 10:44:19 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:43:57 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/15/2005 9:46:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, cledford@XXXXXX writes: > I'm seriously looking at the Aerostitch > Darien - but would like the best electric solution and I'm not > sure `Stitch provides it. Any and all advice would be much > appreciated. They are not mutually exclusive. The Gerbing jacket liner I have is just that, a liner, you wear it under a jacket. like say an Aerostitch. An electric jacket liner with electric gloves and a heat controller is about the least bulky most versatile cold fighting gear you can find. You use the heat controller to adjust for temperature instead of multiple layers of bulky shituff. Love mine. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 10:49:00 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:48:52 -0500 I've been using Gerbings for a number of years now, and really like them. The full, thin liner inside my (once 'Stich Roadcrafter) now Belstaff jacket is incredibly warm; as are their gloves. While a bit thick and clumsy on the bike, they do a great job. I've since added heated grips to my VFR and they extend the use of my regular gloves by several degrees. The set up is less than $30 and doesn't take a lot of time to install. I also have a set of the 'stich triple digit rain covers, and like someone else said, there are definitely a worthwhile addition. Recently got a Shellaclava hood for under the helmet, but have only used it once. As for bags, when I'm in full tour mode, it looks like Givi threw up on my bike. Wingrack2, two E360's for sides, and an E460 Topcase. Gives the bike a big fat ass, but they hold a ton of crap, are weather tight, and lockable. Most of the time I just use the tubular top rack and E460 w/o the sides. Feel free to ping me off-list if you have any questions. Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 10:58:22 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:58:06 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/15/2005 9:46:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, cledford@XXXXXX writes: > Any tips of any sort in doing the all-weather commute would be > invaluable please feel free to dump them on me! > Think ahead, WAY ahead. ICE: We are likely clear of ice for this year but next fall you need to start looking for areas of the road that tend to have wet spots (water tends to seep up from cracks in the road, and low spots can puddle) those will become icy in below freezing temperatures. Note areas of the road that are shaded by trees, overpasses etc. the road surface will stay colder and harbor ice longer then sunny lanes. Use _street_ tires not racing tires, racing tires will never reach operating temperature and traction on cold roads. DEER: Avoid woodsy areas if you can (Duh) stay on main roads and position yourself where you have the best view of the road, median, and woods so you are more likely to see the critters. Use cars as a sort of cow catcher let one or two run ahead of you like blockers in football, let them hit the deer and knock them away from you. RAIN: Get a GOOD rainsuit, and a cheap one that packs small, leave the cheap one at the office for those surprise rains. If you must look your best at work consider keeping an extra set of clothes there just in case. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 11:11:07 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:10:59 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX BTW, anyone purchasing Gerbings might want to consider getting them from Donnelson Cycle (found advertised in most moto rags). They had the gloves @ $119, cheaper then anyone else I could fine and free shipping over $100 order. Glenn --- Rob Keiser wrote: > I've been using Gerbings for a number of years now, > and really like them. > The full, thin liner inside my (once 'Stich __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 11:13:07 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:12:55 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Axio Swift Hardpack FS --- WAS: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Scooter bragged: >Speaking of carrying a laptop on a bike. I bought an Axio >Swift Hardpack (http://www.axio-usa.com/) a few months ago >when I thought I was going to be doing more travel on the >bike and taking the laptop with me. ... snipped f/s... [Dave] That's a pretty good price... If I cared about my laptop I s'pose ;-) Personally, I use a bungee net. Anything that can't survive a full on drag race, ride it like I stole it take off doesn't belong on the bike in the first place... ;-) It's a company laptop anyway, and if they don't suffer a little damage, we'll be stuck with them for years to come, long after they're outdated, requiring frequen restarts, and suffering from various maladies... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 11:40:31 2005 From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anybody on this list Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:40:23 -0500 Saw a late model Suzuki GSXR750 got pulled over on the Dulles Airport Road (You know the one in the middle - No toll road) His mistake was when he took the exit which are designated for buses. Thise of us who travel the toll road know that its a big no no to take that exit and especially the Airport Authority cops are always around those exits. Eventhough you are tempted to do that when the trafiic is at a standstill. As soon he took that exit he changed lanes and gunned it and the red and blue's came on. He raised his left hand and acknowledged that the cop is behind him. Well, bummer for him. --Altaan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 12:58:02 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:57:54 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute ( long reply ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > > I now ride a ST1300, and on 45 degree days I don't need the > > 'lectrics, or pants - plastics rule! 45 degrees? I don't use electrics when it's 35 out (this morning). On my Yam WR400. It don't get any more naked than that. Ok, I'd have liked to use the hand warmers but they're not installed. anything more than a few watts and the alternator can't drive it. that's dirt er, dual-sport bikes for ya. The ZR7 has a 1/2 fairing and a 300+ watt alternator. But I've ridden the nekid CB750 and Triumph in biting cold and been happy as a clam with the Gerbings going. I have the quilted liner instead of the paper thin one. I don't know if the thin one is better or not but I VERY much like the quilted one. I got like the last one. Pity. I'll say this, at 15F and below and going 60+mph the electrics on full tilt keep me alive. It's not entirely fun but that's the price of riding year round in Chicago and Wisconsin. More tupperware would probably help but plastic gets expensive. Just last thursday I was out in blowing snow and hit ice and got tossed down the middle of I-94 at speed. Repair bill = $100. If I had lowers it'd be quite a bit more. I need to find myself a scratch and dent GS500 or something for winter riding. That was the plan with the WR but the alternator simply can't drive anything. That or I rig up a nice 14AmpH battery just to support the heat. I've got the room after tossing the air box... Winter riding is fun. By far most days you can carve arcs and have fun while the rest of motorcycledom sits in their cars/trucks getting antsy. If you really do decide to ride year round, get used to road spooge. My bike looks pretty nasty below the knee. And since I don't have a garage or access to a hose, and throwing water at something when it's way below freezing isn't much fun, it'll look like that for months. If you value your plastics, put them in the attic. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 13:05:07 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:04:58 -0500 > > From: "Julian Halton" > Date: 2005/03/16 Wed AM 07:51:59 EST > To: , > CC: > Subject: RE: Need help using VFR for daily commute on 66 starting on 22nd... > > > My biggest problem is on days below 28 degrees. I don't use heated > gear...At temps below 28 degrees, after a short time my hands and feet > start to go...any place the wind can get into, it will but with a nice > swaeter and vest and everything zipped up the core is alright. For me > it is all about the hands, I have tried at least five or six pairs of > gloves including cold weather stuff and after twenty minutes or so, > riding is no longer enjoyable and I become distracted. > ..what I used to do was buy a good pair of non-breathable ski *mittens*. I would also buy the small chemical hand/foot warmers packs you can buy at camping supply stores. The combination of the fingers being together (thus conserving heat) as well as a warmer in each glove kept my hands pretty toasty for a good couple of hours. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 16 13:13:02 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:12:42 EST Subject: Re: Need help using VFR for daily commute ( long reply ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/16/2005 12:58:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > That or I rig up a nice 14AmpH battery just to support > the heat. All of your electric power comes from your alternator _all_ of it. With a larger battery it will just take longer for the battery to run down. This may cover you if you spend time at low RPM (low charge rate) and then spend a lot at high RPM, assuming the alternator can re-charge the battery under the load at high RPM. It can also cover you if your current battery has _almost_ enough juice for one round trip and you charge it every night. Actually I think I would try it without any modification at all _IF_ and it is a big if, if you are using a heat controll