From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 07:12:24 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Legality question Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:12:05 -0500 > I wouldn't advise doing it even though I've been annoyed at > cagers enough to hit the flat of my hand on the hood of one > car and to kick at another car. It was stupid and I hope to > get into and past my more aggressive '50s like Carl in > Brrrrthesda did so I can enter into my calmer '60s. I used to carry a long handled ball pein hammer in Saigon... But that was another world. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 08:43:37 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:42:53 -0800 Subject: cutting the cord Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: mgCL@XXXXXX From: Bob McKeithen I've done it. Turned in the plate and cancelled the insurance on the commuter POS. It will be going to the bone yard soon. I am now cageless. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 09:10:42 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:10:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Daytona party at Jay and Lisa's Hey all! Jay and Lisa Goddard are having a Daytona party this Saturday March 6th 10:00 till 5:00. 10402 Heathside Way, Potomac, MD. My invitation said to invite others, so that's what I'm doing. The racing starts at 10:30AM, the Main Race (The Daytona 200) starts 1:30PM. TVs and motorcycle gear everywhere! This will be a great chance to try on some new gear or bring us a trade-in. Our entire inventory will be on hand and available for sale. There will be plenty of beverages (soda and beer), snacks and lunch (from the BBQ) throughout the afternoon. Please call us toll free at 1-866-817-RIDE (7433) or email us at Jay@XXXXXX for directions. Please feel free to pass this invite on to all your friends, the more the merrier. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 10:51:37 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:51:42 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike day At 04:01 PM 2/29/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >Man, today was definately bike day. Tons and tons out there. A couple of >guys were riding up the shoulder on Dale Blvd on the wrong side of the >road (heading back towards Forestdale). Yeah it was great! Made time for another 40-50 mile ride around various back roads. Didn't need long johns or leather pants, or special socks, the jacket vents were all open and I was still too warm (just a little), and the helmet didn't even think of fogging up. Was even wearing my summer gloves with no problems. Nice and sunny most of the day too. Perfect! >Packs of sportbikes. Three at a light on very similar looking bikes (nice >blue) one obviously female. They were at the front and when the light >changed they were off. I saw more bikes than on Saturday, but not huge numbers. Must be from being farther north... ;^) >Tomorrow will be even nicer, I'm on mids _and_ I'm turning in my papers. Colorado for sure, huh? Got a schedule yet? It's supposed to be nice today, but there's a chance of rain, or so I heard on the radio last night. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 10:51:51 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:45:38 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Grips (was: Re: Assuming) At 03:52 PM 2/29/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >I had a similar problem but simply adjusted the bars up about an inch >changing the angle. No problems since I did it 18 months ago. Remember >these things are created for the average guy. Those of us a little larger >than average :-) need to make slight adjustments. Yeah, I've thought about moving the bars, but swapping grips seemed easier for some reason (though it probably wasn't)...and I do like the larger diameter. The throttle side seems to be right where it should be too. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 10:57:29 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:57:48 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Grips (was: Re: Assuming) At 10:45 AM 3/1/04 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote: >diameter. The throttle side seems to be right where it should be too. Oh, that reminds me...the Velcro version of the Throttle Rocker works just fine on the larger, cushier, grips. I checked both versions, and there aren't any "teeth" on either of them. There are some molded-in lines on the "inside", but they are running around the grip, not along it, so they wouldn't impede spinning the original around the grip. The Velcro one won't spin on my cushy grips of course, but neither would the original (which did spin just fine in one direction on the hard rubber original grips). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 11:09:25 2004 Subject: Weekend biking Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:12:59 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Put about 400 miles on the recently repaired bike this weekend. Saw lots of bikes Saturday in G-towne, an army of them at the Anacostia gas station on my way up to Annapolis. Annapolis was a "Harley big bike" convention. Saw a custom gold wing with two rear wheels some custom choppers with outrageous rake angles. No problems on the road from cars, the problems I had were from fellow bikers. While most are uniformly polite I had two incidences with bikers. 66 E before Key Bridge- Am in left lane and see silver Harley v-rod approaching at speed. Signal, pull-over and wave. The guy buzzes past me, cuts into my lane without signaling, brakes hard and then takes off. Two sport bikers on route 50 blew past me at mach 9 ( at least 120 mph) and were on either side of me within touching distance. I love Annapolis but do not like that section of the 295, 201 where everyone feels the need to race you. Some lessons learned and a question. The R6's temperature rockets to 220 very quickly in G-towne traffic. I have also realized after taking two passengers- it is not really a good bike for pillion riding...you get mashed up against the gas tank and the ride is very hard on the suspension...so despite the cuties clamoring for a ride I only took two and after last night where I had to argue with the girl to put a helmet on, I think I am going to ask girls that want to ride to get their own bikes first. It's not fun in DC with all the pot holes, traffic, untimed lights etc.. Now for my biker behavior question. If you are coming up on traffic at a red and the traffic is backed up, is it acceptable to get into the "third lane right where cars are parked and make your way up to the front? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 11:34:03 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:34:20 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Weekend biking At 11:12 AM 3/1/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >Now for my biker behavior question. If you are coming up on traffic at >a red and the traffic is backed up, is it acceptable to get into the >"third lane right where cars are parked and make your way up to the >front? I don't think that's legal in any local jurisdiction. Being in the same lane beside another vehicle, even one that's parked, isn't allowed as far as I know. In Virginia I've had a friend get ticketed for doing that (Virginia Beach, but I doubt it's a local thing). It will almost *surely* piss off the folks you are passing...and do we really need more reasons for folks to hate bikers? What's your hurry? Isn't being out on the bike enough? If you don't like traffic, go out where there isn't any. It's far prettier anyway. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 11:43:52 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Weekend biking Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:43:42 -0500 > ...I have also > realized after taking two passengers- it is not really a good > bike for pillion riding...you get mashed up against the gas > tank and the ride is very hard on the suspension...so despite > the cuties clamoring for a ride I only took two... Crank the pre-load up prior to taking on a passenger. Helps a lot Michael J. Remembering - faintly... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 11:54:18 2004 Subject: RE: Weekend biking Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:54:06 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Julian Halton" , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com Wow! *Two* passengers on a R6?! I didn't think you could even carry one, obviously I was mistaken! ;-) I echo the sentiment about fellow sport-bikers; heading down 66 to Manassas on Saturday I was passed by a loonie doing a standup wheelie at supra-legal speeds, right by the intersection of 66 and 29 (I got a ticket at that very spot last year, so I was hugging the right lane and being Mr. Legal). I realize the weather was wonderful, but I cringe at the negative public image this gives to the rest of us. Also got the rude behaviour from a cruiser on Sunday, fellow riding a BMW cruiser on Rt. 7 towards Leesburg was doing his best to split lanes and weave in and out of traffic, all without benefit of signals or any idea of stopping distance... Robert PS: Allowed? Dunno. Do I do it? Depends. Certainly in DC... -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend biking Put about 400 miles on the recently repaired bike this weekend. Saw lots of bikes Saturday in G-towne, an army of them at the Anacostia gas station on my way up to Annapolis. Annapolis was a "Harley big bike" convention. Saw a custom gold wing with two rear wheels some custom choppers with outrageous rake angles. No problems on the road from cars, the problems I had were from fellow bikers. While most are uniformly polite I had two incidences with bikers. 66 E before Key Bridge- Am in left lane and see silver Harley v-rod approaching at speed. Signal, pull-over and wave. The guy buzzes past me, cuts into my lane without signaling, brakes hard and then takes off. Two sport bikers on route 50 blew past me at mach 9 ( at least 120 mph) and were on either side of me within touching distance. I love Annapolis but do not like that section of the 295, 201 where everyone feels the need to race you. Some lessons learned and a question. The R6's temperature rockets to 220 very quickly in G-towne traffic. I have also realized after taking two passengers- it is not really a good bike for pillion riding...you get mashed up against the gas tank and the ride is very hard on the suspension...so despite the cuties clamoring for a ride I only took two and after last night where I had to argue with the girl to put a helmet on, I think I am going to ask girls that want to ride to get their own bikes first. It's not fun in DC with all the pot holes, traffic, untimed lights etc.. Now for my biker behavior question. If you are coming up on traffic at a red and the traffic is backed up, is it acceptable to get into the "third lane right where cars are parked and make your way up to the front? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 12:33:50 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: grips Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:39:04 -0500 Remove old grips ennyway you can. Lube the inside of the new grips and bars with alcohol: isopropanol/rubbing alcohol; ethanol/shellac thinner/everclear) Slip the new grips on. Let 'em set overnight. The alcohol will dissolve bits of the grips and cee-ment them to your bike parts. The best part is when you're ready to slip on new grips, you can spritz some alcohol under the old grips, wriggle them, and wah-la, the old grips come off easily, complete, and ready to insulate the ^%$#@ snow shovel handle. Carl in Balmy Bethesda (Honey-dos on Saturday but did a lot of waving on Sunday) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 14:05:40 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:04:40 -0500 Subject: Stripped allen head bolt X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information I stripped an allen head bolt that's holding my broken brake lever in place. Any suggestions on how best to extract a damaged allen head bolt? It's the recessed kind -- simply won't budge. Some ideas I found on the Web: - cut slot in end with Dremel tool and use a flat blade screwdriver; - use dab of thick Hot Stuff on the end of the allen wrench, wait for it to cure, then unscrew the damaged allen screw; - pick a couple of strands of wire from a wire brush, stick them in the socket, force the wrench in with the strands and turn carefully; - tap a torx bit into the bad allen screw, then screw it out; - if heat can be safely applied, try heating the area where the threads are before you use any of these methods to remove the bolt. It seems like the corrosion can be 'melted' with heat and the bolt will come out easier. The heat may also reduce the tension on overtightened bolts when applied directly to the bolt as heat expands (lengthens) the bolt slightly. Thanks, -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 14:55:36 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: sean@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stripped allen head bolt Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:44:08 -0500 You also might try those stripped head removal tips that Craftsman sells. I have a small set of them and have had very good success on stripped screws, but can probably work with allen's, too. Maybe some penetrating oil, too, wouldn't hurt. I'm in Germantown if you'd like to try 'em. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Stripped allen head bolt Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:04:40 -0500 I stripped an allen head bolt that's holding my broken brake lever in place. Any suggestions on how best to extract a damaged allen head bolt? It's the recessed kind -- simply won't budge. Some ideas I found on the Web: - cut slot in end with Dremel tool and use a flat blade screwdriver; - use dab of thick Hot Stuff on the end of the allen wrench, wait for it to cure, then unscrew the damaged allen screw; - pick a couple of strands of wire from a wire brush, stick them in the socket, force the wrench in with the strands and turn carefully; - tap a torx bit into the bad allen screw, then screw it out; - if heat can be safely applied, try heating the area where the threads are before you use any of these methods to remove the bolt. It seems like the corrosion can be 'melted' with heat and the bolt will come out easier. The heat may also reduce the tension on overtightened bolts when applied directly to the bolt as heat expands (lengthens) the bolt slightly. Thanks, -Sean _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:12:14 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:12:11 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes "Two men died Sunday in separate motorcycle accidents in eastern Montgomery County, according to county police. After midnight, two motorcycles were traveling together east on Forest Glen Road in Silver Spring when one, a 1994 Harley Davidson, went off the road at a curve, police said. The rider, John Thomas Oakley, 54, of the 10300 block of Ridgemoor Drive in Silver Spring, was ejected from the motorcycle and was pronounced dead at the scene. The second cyclist did not crash and remained at the scene, police said. At 4:30 p.m. Sunday, a man riding a 1996 Honda motorcycle on Route 29 near Dustin Road in Burtonsville died when his motorcycle veered off the roadway and struck an embankment. The man was identified as Greg Campbell Speak, 35, of the unit block of Robindale Drive in Emmitsburg, police said. " ------- Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early morning ice. It may get to 68 today, but at 3am I have ice on my deck. ------- Ordered my tires, new grips, sprockets and chain today. AZ Motorsports was $40 more than Chaparral on the tires (D220s) with shipping. $179 for the pair. I'll have an extra new 90-97 VFR 16T front sprocket if anyone wants to offer me $10 for it. I ordered the sprocket and chain kit with a substitute 15T front. Also - if anyone wants to mount new tires in a couple of weeks, you are welcome to come over and mount yours and mine at the same time on the Harbor Freight tire changer. It will be a learning experience. I'll be using the Fred Harmon guide : http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/tirechange ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:13:52 2004 Subject: Summer gear Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:17:26 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:21:20 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Summer gear Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:21:12 -0500 > Any comments on those Joe Rocket > perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? Very happy with mine. Stops bugs and sunburn. Haven't tried out the armor yet. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:22:44 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summer gear Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:22:37 -0500 Been a lot of debate on the JR Phoenix line. Was a thread over a yr ago w/ some links to examples of how it held up. Most view it as a 1 time use piece. The jackets can be had on Ebay for $50. I don't have one for myself, but have one for passengers. I have the Phoenix pants for myself, they let a decent amount of air in, I wear them w/ just shorts in the summer. For jackets I have a full perforated leather one from Protect, I got it the yr before JR introduced the Phoenix or I would have probably opted for the Phoenix. I also have perforated leather gloves. You can't tell you hav the perf leather on over 25mph, I had a denim jacket my first summer, the perf leather lets a ton more air through. Camelbacks are nice on longer rides. Check out motorcyclegearreview.com for some opinions. Check out dcsportbikes.com for a recent thread on the Phoenix jackets. It's probably under gear review or something like that. >From: "Julian Halton" >To: >Subject: Summer gear >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:17:26 -0500 > > >Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to >jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat >shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any >comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? > > > _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:24:01 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:23:53 -0500 After midnight, can't help but wonder if booze was involved. >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes >Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:12:11 -0500 > >"Two men died Sunday in separate motorcycle accidents in eastern Montgomery >County, according to county police. > >After midnight, two motorcycles were traveling together east on Forest Glen >Road in Silver Spring when one, a 1994 Harley Davidson, went off the road >at a curve, police said. The rider, John Thomas Oakley, 54, of the 10300 >block of Ridgemoor Drive in Silver Spring, was ejected from the motorcycle >and was pronounced dead at the scene. The second cyclist did not crash and >remained at the scene, police said. > >At 4:30 p.m. Sunday, a man riding a 1996 Honda motorcycle on Route 29 near >Dustin Road in Burtonsville died when his motorcycle veered off the roadway >and struck an embankment. The man was identified as Greg Campbell Speak, >35, of the unit block of Robindale Drive in Emmitsburg, police said. " > >------- > >Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early morning ice. It may get to >68 today, but at 3am I have ice on my deck. > >------- > >Ordered my tires, new grips, sprockets and chain today. AZ Motorsports was >$40 more than Chaparral on the tires (D220s) with shipping. $179 for the >pair. I'll have an extra new 90-97 VFR 16T front sprocket if anyone wants >to offer me $10 for it. I ordered the sprocket and chain kit with a >substitute 15T front. Also - if anyone wants to mount new tires in a >couple of weeks, you are welcome to come over and mount yours and mine at >the same time on the Harbor Freight tire changer. It will be a learning >experience. I'll be using the Fred Harmon guide : >http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/tirechange > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > _________________________________________________________________ Say )B“good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:50:07 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:49:52 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Summer gear I have a Brosh (Israeli made_ lightweight summer jacket available if you are interested. http://www.brosh.com/store.asp It is like their Ultra Cool K model, $40, Red, Large. I have found that my First Gear Kenya manages the summer heat up to the mid-90s as long as I'm not deadlocked in traffic forever. Better than a sweatshirt or t-shirt, not as good as leather. I love their Kevlar riding jeans, but don't wear them much anymore, unless they are under my Joe Rocket Phoenix pants in the summer. At 03:17 PM 3/1/2004, Julian Halton wrote: > >Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to >jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat >shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any >comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:52:32 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:52:29 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Sanjour Subject: RE: Summer gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I love mine. One thing about it though, at 60 MPH rain hurts! :) Joe --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > Any comments on those Joe Rocket > > perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? > > Very happy with mine. Stops bugs and sunburn. > > Haven't tried out the armor yet. > > Michael J. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 16:05:23 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summer gear Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:05:15 -0500 I've got Draggin Jeans too, wear them under the Phoenix pants when it's not that hot. Draggin Jeans was making a kevlar shirt. Might be closer to the sweatshirt you had in mind. >From: Troutman >To: >Subject: Re: Summer gear >Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:49:52 -0500 > >I have a Brosh (Israeli made_ lightweight summer jacket available if you >are interested. http://www.brosh.com/store.asp It is like their Ultra >Cool K model, $40, Red, Large. I have found that my First Gear Kenya >manages the summer heat up to the mid-90s as long as I'm not deadlocked in >traffic forever. Better than a sweatshirt or t-shirt, not as good as >leather. I love their Kevlar riding jeans, but don't wear them much >anymore, unless they are under my Joe Rocket Phoenix pants in the summer. > >At 03:17 PM 3/1/2004, Julian Halton wrote: >> >>Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to >>jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat >>shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any >>comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 16:49:58 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Summer gear Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:49:49 -0500 I got the Draggin Jeans kevlar shirt. It's yellow and perforated. No padding. More made for under a shirt to prevent road rash not broken bones. It's a size large. Make me an offer and it's yours. -aki > > From: "rich hall" > Date: 2004/03/01 Mon PM 04:05:15 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Summer gear > > I've got Draggin Jeans too, wear them under the Phoenix pants when it's not > that hot. Draggin Jeans was making a kevlar shirt. Might be closer to the > sweatshirt you had in mind. > > >From: Troutman > >To: > >Subject: Re: Summer gear > >Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:49:52 -0500 > > > >I have a Brosh (Israeli made_ lightweight summer jacket available if you > >are interested. http://www.brosh.com/store.asp It is like their Ultra > >Cool K model, $40, Red, Large. I have found that my First Gear Kenya > >manages the summer heat up to the mid-90s as long as I'm not deadlocked in > >traffic forever. Better than a sweatshirt or t-shirt, not as good as > >leather. I love their Kevlar riding jeans, but don't wear them much > >anymore, unless they are under my Joe Rocket Phoenix pants in the summer. > > > >At 03:17 PM 3/1/2004, Julian Halton wrote: > >> > >>Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to > >>jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat > >>shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any > >>comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? > > > > > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 20:05:49 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:05:30 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Legality question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > I wouldn't advise doing it even though I've been annoyed at > > cagers enough to hit the flat of my hand on the hood of one > > car and to kick at another car. It was stupid and I hope to > > get into and past my more aggressive '50s like Carl in > > Brrrrthesda did so I can enter into my calmer '60s. > > I used to carry a long handled ball pein hammer in Saigon... > On the way in this morning, some guy in a taxi looked like he was going to pass me on the left while we were on the 14th St HOV split (single lane if you haven't been on it). I turned and pointed at him and waved him back and probably scared him a touch. > But that was another world. > > Michael J. > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 20:08:49 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:08:46 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Grips (was: Re: Assuming) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 03:52 PM 2/29/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >I had a similar problem but simply adjusted the bars up about an inch > >changing the angle. No problems since I did it 18 months ago. Remember > >these things are created for the average guy. Those of us a little > larger > >than average :-) need to make slight adjustments. > > Yeah, I've thought about moving the bars, but swapping grips seemed > easier > for some reason (though it probably wasn't)...and I do like the larger > diameter. The throttle side seems to be right where it should be too. The only issue is that, for some reason, the front brake line is a tube down to the top of the tree. When I loosened the handlebars, they dropped down a bit before I caught it and moved it up into position. I tightened them down and then realized I had an odd bend in the tube. No kinks but still a bit... weird. > > -- Mike B. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 20:18:18 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Bike day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:01 PM 2/29/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Man, today was definately bike day. Tons and tons out there. A couple > of > >guys were riding up the shoulder on Dale Blvd on the wrong side of the > >road (heading back towards Forestdale). > > Yeah it was great! Made time for another 40-50 mile ride around various > back roads. Didn't need long johns or leather pants, or special socks, > the > jacket vents were all open and I was still too warm (just a little), and > the helmet didn't even think of fogging up. Was even wearing my summer > gloves with no problems. Nice and sunny most of the day too. Perfect! > I wore my 5/8's helmet today with my goggles. A bit on the nippy side on the way in but after a few minutes my face got the hint and warmed right up. > >Tomorrow will be even nicer, I'm on mids _and_ I'm turning in my > papers. > > Colorado for sure, huh? Got a schedule yet? > Yep. Turned in with no problem and invitations to extend my departure date if necessary and open arms to return if the need arises. I put the tentative last day at Apr 16th. I also offered a suggestion of part-time telecommuting from Colorado. They're discussing it with the program manger. My manager is paranoid and not for it. His manager is somewhat for it. I suspect I may become a consultant for information purposes but not for day-to-day administration. > It's supposed to be nice today, but there's a chance of rain, or so I > heard > on the radio last night. > 50% chance with a high of 70 according to 'wunderground'. I'll grab my blue 'chief and wear it if necessary. > -- Mike B. > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 20:20:23 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:20:20 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Weekend biking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > Now for my biker behavior question. If you are coming up on traffic at > a red and the traffic is backed up, is it acceptable to get into the > "third lane right where cars are parked and make your way up to the > front? > I'd be more worried about someone opening a door, either by accident or on purpose. But that's just me. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 06:47:38 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 06:47:32 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Julian Halton cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summer gear On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > > Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to > jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat > shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any > comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? Picked up a first gear mesh jacket mid-season last year and have been very happy with it so far. I'm normally riding with a aerostitch, but found on the hotter summer days its just not able to flow enough air to keep me happy. The mesh jacket is almost like not having a jacket on at all. However, if you get a cool summer night, it works against you equally well... However the new version 2 of the jacket comes with a removable wind proof liner to address this issue. I ride just about every day for commuting, so long term durability was important. So far so good. I used the jacket every day last summer for about 2 months of riding, which I'd guess is more days than the average rider does in a year. The only thing it doesn't do that I would like, is zip together with my 'stitch. However, I'll be getting a small panel sewn in this spring so that it will mate with the stitch pants. I did look at the mesh pants, but I'd like to avoid carrying 2 complete suits during the spring/fall when temps are such that I need non-perf in the 5am commute, but want perf in the 3pm ride home. Carrying 2 jackets is a compromise I'm willing to make... after all the beemer has enough luggage space to accommodate 1 extra jacket. see a short review of the jacket here: http://www.newenough.com/firstgear_meshtex2_jacket_page.htm also available for purchase at $126. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 10:21:37 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 10:21:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: tire pressure solved Combination of problems resulted in the pressure fluctuations. First off, the rear tire patch from last year ... which held all winter ... is now leaking about 2lbs each day. The co-worker's pressure gauge I borrowed was a piece of crap. I put one of my gauges back in my tankbag (it had wandered into a toolbox). New tires will be here by the weekend. The ride in today was a little wet, but the weather was incredible. I'll take it like this _any_ day. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 10:47:23 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:47:21 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! No, not the short, white Michael Jordan we all know and love - the tall, black Michael Jordan that used to play basketball. Evidently, he's gotten into roadracing motorcycles, and is an expert with CCS. Here's a shot of his race hauler at Daytona. http://webcrush.com/photo_booth.asp?name=2.jpg Be interested to see what he's riding...also, what kind of laptimes he's running. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 10:51:47 2004 Subject: Re: tire pressure solved From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Mar 2004 10:48:18 -0500 On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 10:21, Troutman wrote: > The ride in today was a little wet, but the weather was incredible. I'll > take it like this _any_ day. > Damn straight! I took it easier than the usual hectic pace, especially since I'm on the middle shift this week and did a lot of smiling. Much nicer since you don't eat bugs this early. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 10:52:33 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:52:32 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction D'oh, bad info - he's sponsoring a team, and has a rider running at Daytona. (Who is the actual expert with CCS.) But, MJ has been doing some track days out west. http://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=162016 - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:08:08 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:07:56 EST Subject: Re: Stripped allen head bolt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/2004 2:06:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, sean@XXXXXX writes: > I stripped an allen head bolt that's holding my broken brake lever in > place. At the risk of insulting you if you already know. Does your bike have a lock nut under the lever perch? And if so did you remove the lock nut ? That bolt should not be anywhere near tight enough to be stripped by simple removal. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:10:29 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:12:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Sean Jordan wrote: > > the tall, black Michael Jordan that used to play basketball. Not familiar with that guy. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:17:12 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:17:03 EST Subject: Brakes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Had to put new rear brake pads in the ST yesterday. The third or fourth set (fourth I think) I have had to put on this bike. OH if there was just something I could do to make them last longer...... Here fishy fishy. Here fishy.......... #:-) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:19:21 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:19:08 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/2004 3:15:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early morning ice. And for those who park their bikes in bad weather, _remember_ your skills are _RUSTY,_ take it easy. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:23:31 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:22:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Stripped allen head bolt X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information #$%@%#%!%!! That's it, unfortunately. Mental note: read Clymer manual more carefully. Durn it all (but thanks). -Sean PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/1/2004 2:06:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > sean@XXXXXX writes: > > >>I stripped an allen head bolt that's holding my broken brake lever in >> place. > > > At the risk of insulting you if you already know. Does your bike have a lock > nut under the lever perch? And if so did you remove the lock nut ? That bolt > should not be anywhere near tight enough to be stripped by simple removal. > > > New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. > > "Eat right, stay fit, > DIE ANYWAY!" > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:31:26 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:31:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes In a message dated 3/1/2004 3:15:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early morning ice. And for those who park their bikes in bad weather, _remember_ your skills are _RUSTY,_ take it easy. ----------------- Rustiness is not just those who park 'em for a long lay off. I had to put my cornering thinking cap back on for a shortish ride out to Harper's Ferry/W. Maryland on Saturday. That's after about a two-month hiatus of "real" riding. Riding the open road is a lot different than grinding out the miles 'twixt home and office and other short hops around town. A fair amount of sand'n'gravel out that way too. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 12:16:52 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:16:25 -0500 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brakes Well, John, it's cheaper to use and replace the rears than to pay for all the damage and hospital bills you'll have from using the fronts and getting tossed over the handlebars! --skip, chumming PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > Had to put new rear brake pads in the ST yesterday. > The third or fourth set (fourth I think) I have had to put on this bike. > OH if there was just something I could do to make them last longer...... > > Here fishy fishy. Here fishy.......... #:-) > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 12:38:55 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:38:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Skip Subject: Re: Brakes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, stay off those widow-makers (aka front brakes). On the other hand, the rear brake assembly is just dead unsprung weight on a sportbike. And Lord knows sportbikes are the gold standard of all motorcycling is and ever will be. Besides the mere act of touching the pedal will send you into an instant rear tire slide; moreover the rear does nothing to initiate stoppies. For the humor impaired the above is a short synopsis of every front/rear brake flamefest on DC-Cycles. Whatever happened to Danny "daniel_ex250" anyway? Here's an oldie, but goodie. http://www.dccycles.com/arch/02/03/mar00386 Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F -----Original Message----- From: Skip Sent: Mar 2, 2004 12:16 PM To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brakes Well, John, it's cheaper to use and replace the rears than to pay for all the damage and hospital bills you'll have from using the fronts and getting tossed over the handlebars! --skip, chumming PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > Had to put new rear brake pads in the ST yesterday. > The third or fourth set (fourth I think) I have had to put on this bike. > OH if there was just something I could do to make them last longer...... > > Here fishy fishy. Here fishy.......... #:-) > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 12:41:09 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:40:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes -- Circles? On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > In a message dated 3/1/2004 3:15:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early morning ice. > > And for those who park their bikes in bad weather, _remember_ your skills are > _RUSTY,_ take it easy. > > > ----------------- > > Rustiness is not just those who park 'em for a long lay off.... > > A fair amount of sand'n'gravel out that way too. > Speaking of all that, is there going to be a "circles" day this year? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 13:09:43 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:09:32 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Which one? Can't tell from the pic. Scooter In a message dated 3/2/2004 10:52:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > > > D'oh, bad info - he's sponsoring a team, and has a rider running at > Daytona. (Who is the actual expert with CCS.) > > But, MJ has been doing some track days out west. > > http://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com/forums/attachment.php?s > =&postid=162016 > > - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 13:11:53 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:11:23 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes -- Circles? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yes, there will be at least one 'circles' day in March. I'm going to Daytona this weekend, but when I get back, I'll plan a weekend for circles. I haven't decided yet whether it will be on the 14th or 21st. Leon. --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > > In a message dated 3/1/2004 3:15:50 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > > mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early > morning ice. > > > > And for those who park their bikes in bad weather, > _remember_ your skills are > > _RUSTY,_ take it easy. > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > Rustiness is not just those who park 'em for a > long lay off.... > > > > A fair amount of sand'n'gravel out that way too. > > > > > Speaking of all that, is there going to be a > "circles" day this year? > > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 13:21:18 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:21:11 -0500 When I saw the picture on another list I was told it was the guy w/ the really long leg in the brand new Joe Rocket suit. >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:09:32 -0500 > >Which one? Can't tell from the pic. > >Scooter > >In a message dated 3/2/2004 10:52:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, >eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > D'oh, bad info - he's sponsoring a team, and has a rider running at > > Daytona. (Who is the actual expert with CCS.) > > > > But, MJ has been doing some track days out west. > > > > http://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com/forums/attachment.php?s > > =&postid=162016 > > > > - Sean Jordan > _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage )B– 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 13:38:38 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Bike Week Fun To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For those who are going or who may already be there: http://www.wftv.com/news/2888490/detail.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 13:51:09 2004 From: To: Paul Wilson , Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Brakes Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:50:56 -0500 bah. I ride a Harley. The bike doesn't even have to move for proper posing. > > From: Paul Wilson > Date: 2004/03/02 Tue PM 12:38:44 EST > To: Skip > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Brakes > > Yeah, stay off those widow-makers (aka front brakes). On the other hand, the rear brake assembly is just dead unsprung weight on a sportbike. And Lord knows sportbikes are the gold standard of all motorcycling is and ever will be. Besides the mere act of touching the pedal will send you into an instant rear tire slide; moreover the rear does nothing to initiate stoppies. > > For the humor impaired the above is a short synopsis of every front/rear brake flamefest on DC-Cycles. > > Whatever happened to Danny "daniel_ex250" anyway? > > Here's an oldie, but goodie. > > http://www.dccycles.com/arch/02/03/mar00386 > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip > Sent: Mar 2, 2004 12:16 PM > To: > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Brakes > > Well, John, it's cheaper to use and replace the rears than to pay for all the > damage and hospital bills you'll have from using the fronts and getting tossed > over the handlebars! > > --skip, chumming > > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Had to put new rear brake pads in the ST yesterday. > > The third or fourth set (fourth I think) I have had to put on this bike. > > OH if there was just something I could do to make them last longer...... > > > > Here fishy fishy. Here fishy.......... #:-) > > > > John. > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 14:28:39 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:28:38 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction http://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=162016 He's #3. - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 15:15:35 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:14:47 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Weekend biking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX re: silver Harley v-rod approaching at speed. Signal, pull-over and wave. The guy buzzes past me, cuts into my lane without signaling, brakes hard and then takes off. So, you're saying that this was not intended behavior you were signaling for? re: Two sport bikers on route 50 blew past me at mach 9( at least 120 mph)....do not like that section of the 295,201 where everyone feels the need to race you. Unfortuanetly, you've stumbled into a local "urban sport bike" playground, the gas station at Pennsylvania and 295 is a staging area, as well as the Checkers coming in Route 50 from Baltimore to DC. If you want mindless entertainment try riding into DC from Baltimore on route 50 on a warm Friday or Saturday Summer night and watch packs of 5 to 20 sport bikes filter up between cars to the stoplight and wheelie in unison through the next 5 traffic signals as the lights turn green. Hard not to shake your head in disapproval while simultaneously wearing a big dumb grin of amusement. re: ride is very hard on the suspension... Gotta ask...Just how big ARE these women? The suspension is more resilient than you think, if it really concerns you, tweak your suspension (as MJ said) or haul lighter women. The R6 is a capable passenger hauler for sprinting around town, but you're bound to have severe passenger squirm at distances over 50 miles (perhaps more depending on the passenger's masochistic qualities.) re: If you are coming up on traffic at a red and the traffic is backed up, is it acceptable to get into the "third lane right where cars are parked and make your way up to the front? We call it "filtering" it's probably not legal anywhere lane splitting is not legal. Of course, finding people that exhibit driving etiquette or observing all traffic laws in DC is pretty rare. Filtering is a practice taken at your own risk knowing that if you are involved in an accident, you will most likely be at fault. -Corbett ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 15:52:50 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:52:47 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Yesterday's riding (used to be: Re: Yeeehhhhhhaaaaaaaa!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Always carry a shovel. -Corbett --- rich hall wrote: > You shoulda followed her home. > > >From: Wayne Edelen > >To: > >Subject: Re: Yesterday's riding (used to be: Re: > Yeeehhhhhhaaaaaaaa!) > >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:42:14 -0500 (EST) > > > >Again coming home from the gym this evening - the > off ramp is 2 left turn > >lanes. I'm in the far left in my truck, there is a > woman driving an > >Expedition (smaller vehicle in this case) on my > right. As we make the > >left, she just drives into my lane. like the 2 > lanes are just one. ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 16:00:22 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:00:02 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: salvage/junk yards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Can someone tell me where auto salvage/junk yards are in the D.C. area? I'm actually looking for car stuff. Just so this post is on topic I did ride my DR yesterday and I'll be riding it again later today. thanks, Hugh ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 16:07:17 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:25:06 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: salvage/junk yards On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Can someone tell me where auto salvage/junk yards are > in the D.C. area? I'm actually looking for car stuff. Brandywine Auto Parts in Maryland (301) 372-8811 -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 16:27:28 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:27:20 -0500 From: Skip To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: salvage/junk yards Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Can someone tell me where auto salvage/junk yards are > in the D.C. area? I'm actually looking for car stuff. Leesburg Auto Recyclers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 17:11:19 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:11:50 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Grips (was: Re: Assuming) At 05:08 PM 3/1/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >The only issue is that, for some reason, the front brake line is a tube >down to the top of the tree. When I loosened the handlebars, they dropped >down a bit before I caught it and moved it up into position. I tightened >them down and then realized I had an odd bend in the tube. No kinks but >still a bit... weird. Thanks, I'll watch out for that if I ever move the bars. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 17:14:12 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:14:23 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike day At 05:18 PM 3/1/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> Colorado for sure, huh? Got a schedule yet? > >Yep. Turned in with no problem and invitations to extend my departure date >if necessary and open arms to return if the need arises. I put the >tentative last day at Apr 16th. Sounds like an actual plan then! Any reason why you picked the day after tax returns are due to "get out of town"? :^) Good luck with the packing! (I hate that part...though actually moving the packed stuff is worse). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 18:01:05 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:02:40 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction Sean Jordan wrote: > > http://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=162016 > > He's #3. Doesn't look like your Dad at all... :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 20:08:19 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:07:32 -0800 Subject: Sunday rusty etc. From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX One of the reasons I ride year round is that I am not a good enough rider to be able to lay off for several months and then feel comfortable on the bike. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 21:45:25 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:45:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: salvage/junk yards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX M&M Auto in Stafford - Recycler. They pull the stuff and you buy off the shelf. On 234 next to the PWC dump are two junk yards, one behind the other. The front one lets you trudge through the vehicles and salvage what you want. Don't know about the rear one. I think there was an M&M Auto up 50 towards Annapolis close by "Schelin Guns" but it's been years since I installed the POS we wrote there (and at the VW place near by). You can also go to http://www.junkyarddog.com and find 8 ones with DC phone numbers. Carl --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Can someone tell me where auto salvage/junk yards are > in the D.C. area? I'm actually looking for car stuff. > > Just so this post is on topic I did ride my DR > yesterday and I'll be riding it again later today. > > thanks, > Hugh > > > ===== > Hugh Caldwell > http://www.twowheelsgood.net > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 21:52:19 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:52:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Bike day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:18 PM 3/1/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> Colorado for sure, huh? Got a schedule yet? > > > >Yep. Turned in with no problem and invitations to extend my departure > date > >if necessary and open arms to return if the need arises. I put the > >tentative last day at Apr 16th. > > Sounds like an actual plan then! > Oh yea. I'm getting two reactions; "you're kidding" and "oh my god, what will we do without you". It's a little weird since I write as much documentation about what I'm doing as I can. I work by the 'hit by a bus' rule. If I'm hit by a bus, will they be able to understand what I was doing. I'm sure you know what I mean. > Any reason why you picked the day after tax returns are due to "get out > of > town"? :^) > Nah, just giving 6 weeks notice. Plenty of time to locate a couple of replacements, attend the parties (both for and against ;-) turn over my current projects and, if they're willing, get the telecommuting documentation and approvals. One of the other managers piped up saying she'll speak to the Program Manager in my favor. > Good luck with the packing! (I hate that part...though actually moving > the > packed stuff is worse). > Actually I think getting rid of the unnecessary stuff is pretty difficult. There's so much crud that just accumulates. I took 3 pick-up truck loads of stuff to the dump last year (mainly pc tech joural and pc magazine with software manuals and outdated tech manuals coming in second). > -- Mike B. > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 22:22:59 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:22:56 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Extreme Biking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 00:35:47 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:36:17 -0500 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes At 03:23 PM 3/1/04 -0500, rich hall wrote: >After midnight, can't help but wonder if booze was involved. Could be...but... >>After midnight, two motorcycles were traveling together east on Forest Glen >>Road in Silver Spring when one, a 1994 Harley Davidson, went off the road I haven't been on Forest Glen recently (last couple of years), but the last time I was, it was a fairly narrow two lane with lots of trees (at least the section west of Georgia). It's not all that well lit either. I wonder if winter road damage, sand, or just lousy visibility (oncoming headlights blinding the rider maybe), had something to do with it? >>At 4:30 p.m. Sunday, a man riding a 1996 Honda motorcycle on Route 29 near >>Dustin Road in Burtonsville died when his motorcycle veered off the roadway >>and struck an embankment. The man was identified as Greg Campbell Speak, >>35, of the unit block of Robindale Drive in Emmitsburg, police said. " Unless it was mechanical failure, that one sure sounds like rider impairment...or suicide. Rt. 29 in that area is like an interstate...wide, open and mostly straight, with a fairly high speed limit. Veering off the road isn't likely for a functioning rider on a functioning bike. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 00:51:02 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:47:10 -0500 To: Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sunday rusty etc. At 08:07 PM 3/2/04 -0800, Bob McKeithen wrote: >One of the reasons I ride year round is that I am not a good enough >rider to be able to lay off for several months and then feel >comfortable on the bike. I did because it was easier than "winterizing" it. :^) That, and it was impossible to pick it up in late September, and NOT ride it until spring! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 00:51:02 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:45:08 -0500 To: Corbett B , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Weekend biking At 12:14 PM 3/2/04 -0800, Corbett B wrote: >Filtering is a practice taken at your own risk knowing >that if you are involved in an accident, you will most >likely be at fault. And, if you are seen by a cop, could involve an expensive day in court...as a lister recently discovered. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 06:40:23 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 06:40:13 -0500 From: Bob Rapp Reply-To: rrapp@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: pattonj@XXXXXX, yenchas@XXXXXX Subject: '97 vfr and givi stuff Hi, I have 3 (4) '97 VFR parts and a Givi hardcase set needing a new home. The VFR parts I have: 1 sidestand (new) 1 upper right fairing, used, some scratches. 1 lower right fairing/engine shroud, used, minor scratches. The Givi set: 1 Wingrack set (top and side plates + mount kit for '97 VFR) 1 E360 Black hardcase 2 E21? Black hard-sidecases If anyone is interested, please let me know. I'll send photos upon request. Thanks, Bob Rapp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 08:16:19 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Extreme Biking Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:16:02 -0500 I don't know if I'd go there but that was a cool story. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:dm_gsxr@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Extreme Biking http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 08:21:03 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:20:52 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/3/2004 12:36:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > I wonder > if winter road damage, sand, or just lousy visibility (oncoming headlights > blinding the rider maybe), had something to do with it? One of "Johns rules," perhaps number one. If it is big enough to knock you down it is big enough to see. Roads do not cause accidents. If you cannot see far enough ahead to avoid obstacles, you need to slow down. Short of massive mechanical failure (extremely rare) single vehicle accidents are the fault of the operator not some (usually imagined) condition "beyond the control of the operator." I hate that these things happen, I hate that people get hurt or die on bikes but the accident is their fault and more important if it happens to you OR me it will be your/my fault. The responsibility is ours. Stay safe. Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 09:41:40 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:41:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes At 08:20 AM 3/3/2004, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >Roads do not cause accidents. If you cannot see far enough ahead to avoid >obstacles, you need to slow down. >Short of massive mechanical failure (extremely rare) single vehicle accidents >are the fault of the operator not some (usually imagined) condition "beyond >the control of the operator." > >I hate that these things happen, I hate that people get hurt or die on bikes >but the accident is their fault and more important if it happens to you OR me >it will be your/my fault. >The responsibility is ours. Are you including true accidents, like hitting diesel or an oil slick on an exit ramp at normal speed? Its our responsibility, but it may not always be our fault. Plenty of situations can be beyond the control of the operator. Nothing fits into neat little boxes. /hypothetical since I am accident free (knock on wood) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 09:46:49 2004 Subject: RE: Extreme Biking Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:46:38 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Carl Schelin" , X-imss-version: 2.0 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com Wow! Kind of puts a lot of things in perspective, and makes me appreciate the easy commuting I have in the DC/NoVA area. All I have to worry about are single/multi-vehicle accidents, imagine carrying a radiation detector as basic riding kit! Nice bike, too! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:dm_gsxr@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Extreme Biking http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 12:53:58 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Summer gear Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:57:37 -0500 A hearty two thumbs up for the Phoenix. I wore my 'Stich through four DC summers before springing for a Phoenix. The Phoenix is great for that stop-and-slow traffic. There have been several reports of the Phoenix doing a good job of protecting the wearer during get-offs. For on-the-road, the 'Stich is still great. When you begin to heat up, stop and soak your tee-shirt for a chill thrill, especially if the road-side stop is air-conditioned. (Women, we support your right to wear wet tee shirts). I also hooked up some Home-Depot bilge-tubing to direct air up my 'Stich sleeves (screen catches the stinging critters). They do a great job of keeping me cool when I have a full windshield on the bike. Took the 'Ceptor in today. It flicks through traffic wa-ay too easily. That bike is gonna kill me one day and earn its 666 sobriquet. Brakes bait John Trolled: "Had to put new rear brake pads in the ST yesterday. The third or fourth set (fourth I think) I have had to put on this bike. OH if there was just something I could do to make them last longer...... Here fishy fishy. Here fishy.......... #:-)" Sheese it's barely March and there's already been a summer gear thread. Yer timing's off. Carl in Bethesda '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 13:06:40 2004 Subject: Re: Summer gear From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 03 Mar 2004 13:03:12 -0500 On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 12:57, Custer, Carl wrote: > I also hooked up some Home-Depot bilge-tubing to direct air up my 'Stich > sleeves (screen catches the stinging critters). They do a great job of > keeping me cool when I have a full windshield on the bike. > > Jeeze louise what do you have there, four horns? Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 13:10:44 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:10:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Summer gear -----Original Message----- From: "Custer, Carl" A hearty two thumbs up for the Phoenix. I wore my 'Stich through four DC summers before springing for a Phoenix. The Phoenix is great for that stop-and-slow traffic. There have been several reports of the Phoenix doing a good job of protecting the wearer during get-offs..... ------------- I've got the Phoenix jacket'n'pants combo, to use mostly for commuting on those sweltering days when the Motoport gets a little toasty. It's a compromise in protection, to be sure, but the armor appears substantial. Jury's still out on the durability of the mesh fabric and it's abrasion resistance. Like Carl sez, I opt for the more substantial all-weather gear on longer trips. I bought them last summer, as part of a good deal through New Enough. Wore 'em on dry days (hint: not Isabel) until it got too chilly in the mornings. Looks like I may be digging 'em out of the closet before too long if the balmy weather continues. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 13:34:29 2004 From: Richard Westbrook To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summer gear Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:32:06 -0500 Julian, I have to second (or third) the good review on the Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket. I bought one last year and I love it. I used to commute into Georgetown which is basically all lights and traffic and it really made the ride bearable. There were days that I wouldn't ride because of the heat, but with the Phoenix I never had that problem. As for crash protection... I haven't tested it out, but it is very thin except for where there's padding. It really makes you feel like you are not wearing a jacket at all. -Rich > ---------- > From: Julian Halton > Sent: Monday, March 1, 2004 3:17 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Summer gear > > > Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to > jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat > shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any > comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 13:55:59 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summer gear Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:55:49 -0500 The Phoenix seems to be the original mesh jacket, but there are others out there from AGV, Fieldsheer, Alpinestars, ect. Just letting you know. _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage )B– 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 13:59:35 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:59:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Speed camera on Florida Ave Cc: nma@XXXXXX http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=175513&nid=25 "The highest speed recorded was 88 miles per hour," Ramsey said. "The speeding on Florida Avenue is ridiculous." Unless otherwise marked, the speed limit is only 25 in DC. Warning letters this month, $200 fines next month. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 15:14:33 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:15:07 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes At 08:20 AM 3/3/04 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >I hate that these things happen, I hate that people get hurt or die on bikes >but the accident is their fault and more important if it happens to you OR me >it will be your/my fault. >The responsibility is ours. >Stay safe. >Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions. I agree with you for the most part, but there are "contributing factors" that it's useful to be aware of. The sort of things I mentioned for instance. The "root cause" is going to be the rider's lack of judgement in not allowing enough "leeway", or perhaps suicidal intentions in some cases, but sand, potholes, headlight glare, the setting sun (some roads in Montgomery County point right into it this time of year...ran into that last night on Rt. 28 west about 5:30pm), wet leaves, or a combination of factors (driveway mirror points glare directly into eyes, blinding and distracting rider for the split second needed to see the wet leaves or whatever) can turn a small judgement error or missed clue that you'd get away with 99 times out of 100 into an accident. Some you assign to the rider, some to others (like whoever put up the mirror) and some are just "shit happens" things. The NTSB/FAA does things this way in accident investigations for aircraft. More often than not the final decision about cause is "pilot error", but they very often will add things like "weather was a contributing factor", or "the loss of the radio was a contributing factor" (where the pilot might have been distracted trying to deal with that and didn't pay enough attention to flying the plane). Sort of a "it's the pilot's fault, but he'd have been ok anyway except for..." so that other pilots will know to watch out for those factors themselves, and perhaps avoid a future accident repeat. I agree that rider impairment is likely in the midnight crash, and probably in the other (unless it was suicide), in which case it's all the rider's fault. I'm just not dismissing other factors being involved without knowing more details...like the results of blood tests for instance. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 15:17:50 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:18:29 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Summer gear At 01:03 PM 3/3/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 12:57, Custer, Carl wrote: > >> I also hooked up some Home-Depot bilge-tubing to direct air up my 'Stich >> sleeves (screen catches the stinging critters). They do a great job of >> keeping me cool when I have a full windshield on the bike. >> >> > >Jeeze louise what do you have there, four horns? Or are the two big ones just air scoops for the ram-air rider cooling system? :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 15:21:04 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:21:40 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Speed camera on Florida Ave Cc: nma@XXXXXX At 01:59 PM 3/3/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=175513&nid=25 >Unless otherwise marked, the speed limit is only 25 in DC. Warning letters >this month, $200 fines next month. I wonder how long it will last there? Between speeders and scrap merchants, I can only hope they've got it *well* protected if they want it to pay for itself... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 18:15:01 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:14:58 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Speed camera on Florida Ave To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: nma@XXXXXX Only 88? Amateurs... Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > "The highest speed recorded was 88 miles per hour," __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 20:21:02 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:20:44 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Speed camera on Florida Ave To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, by then they'd disappeared. Carl --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Only 88? Amateurs... > > Glenn > > --- Troutman wrote: > > "The highest speed recorded was 88 miles per hour," > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 21:48:59 2004 From: "David Thompson" To: Subject: More about: Ride with Routemeister Mar 6 & 7 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:48:55 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine The weather still looks OK, if not great, so the ST1100 is loaded on the trailer. I've prepared two routes, one ~190 miles of back roads through VA via Lovettsville, Blue Ridge Mt rd, Leeds Manor rd, Carter's Run rd, Lunch in Plains, Half Way rd to Middleburg, miscellaneous back roads to Waterford; Stumptown rd, Taylorstown rd to Point of Rocks, and finally a run down Thurston Rd before returning to Gaithersburg. Everything is paved, but they may be a bit sandy after the winter. The 2nd route, ~160 miles, runs north west to Camp Ritchie, then loops back to Gaithersburg. it's back roads of course, but one of the best sections, David Mill rd, is only 6 miles from the Fairgrounds. We'll probably lunch in Thurmont on the return leg. My web site is down for renovations, but if you would like a map w/route instructions, I have PDF files available by e-mail. I'll have a few hard copies with me too. Regards, David "Routemeister" Thompson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 23:37:58 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 23:38:36 -0500 To: "David Thompson" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More about: Ride with Routemeister Mar 6 & 7 At 09:48 PM 3/3/04 -0500, David Thompson wrote: >My web site is down for renovations, but if you would like a map w/route >instructions, I have PDF files available by e-mail. I'll have a few hard >copies with me too. I'd be interested in seeing your info. Those routes sound like fun ones to try now, or in the future. PDF is fine, or if you just have road name lists in ASCII, posting here would work. ADVthanksANCE! I don't know if I can afford the time to make the whole ride (you wouldn't believe my "to-do" list...), and I suspect that the preferred riding style of most wouldn't match up with mine anyway, but I'll try to come by the departure point at least. Be interesting to meet a few of the others here. Not all of them, but a few... :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 23:41:37 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:41:26 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/3/2004 9:41:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Are you including true accidents, like hitting diesel or an oil slick on an > exit ramp at normal speed? Yes I am, absolutely. Oil can be seen and avoided. (Generally if the color of the road surface changes the traction changes, maybe better maybe worse, guess which way I assume.) A little bit of oil, assuming we are traveling at anything near a reasonable speed, will not knock us down. Like I said if it is big enough to knock us down we can see it in plenty of time to take action to prevent an accident. > Its our responsibility, but it may not always be our fault. It depends on your definition of fault. If you mean legally you are of course right. _But_ we are talking about single vehicle accidents and there is just no excuse for hitting something big enough to knock us down. > Plenty of > situations can be beyond the > control of the operator. Just not true. You may not be responsible for the oil on the road but you are responsible for avoiding it and more to the point you can. > Nothing fits into neat little boxes. Nope. Ugly rough boxes yes. And I did allow for exceptions, "Short of massive mechanical failure (extremely rare)" and I stand by that. I have watched countless riders ride through sand, oil, and all sorts of crap that they could have avoided if they had just been paying enough attention to see it. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 23:58:22 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:58:13 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/3/2004 3:17:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Sort of a "it's the pilot's fault, but > he'd have been ok anyway except for.. Essentially what I am saying, it is the riders fault, except for _s/he hit something. The problem is that if you allow yourself to be distracted it is _still_ your fault, not the distraction. It is still the riders responsibility not to override their vision, if weather is bad, or it is dark, or, or, or, you can slow down until your speed is such that you will have time to react to unexpected surprises. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 07:57:42 2004 From: To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/03/04 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:54:27 -0500 That's what dirt bikes are for. you get to practice in the colder months and you aren't afraid of sliding in the spring. I did 150 miles on the DRZ yesterday and the sand in the turns was the best part. -- Thanks!! Jay Goddard 2000 DRZ400E street legal! Don't forget our Daytona Party, contact us for details 301-340-0886 Jay@XXXXXX http://www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:07:32 -0800 Subject: Sunday rusty etc. From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX One of the reasons I ride year round is that I am not a good enough rider to be able to lay off for several months and then feel comfortable on the bike. Bob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 08:36:47 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 8:36:39 -0500 > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: 2004/03/03 Wed PM 11:41:26 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes fits into neat little boxes. > > Nope. > Ugly rough boxes yes. > And I did allow for exceptions, "Short of massive mechanical failure > (extremely rare)" and I stand by that. > > I have watched countless riders ride through sand, oil, and all sorts of crap > that they could have avoided if they had just been paying enough attention to > see it. > ...last summer while riding out in the back country of Va., I came around a blind curve, traveling well below the posted speed limit, I came upon a massive oil spill that ran completely across both lanes of the road and was at least 6 or 7 feet down the road. Guard rails on both sides, and even at my (slow) speed there was no way to avoid going through it. The only other alternative was to try and slam on the brakes, which in retrospect, would of slid me right into the middle of the oil slick most likely making me loose control and dump the bike. Instead, I just let off the throttle, pulled in the clutch, ratcheted up my spincter to "maximum" and rode as straight as I could through it. Needless to say, my tires were soaked with oil and I took it VERY easy for about a quarter mile until I found a nice even gravel shoulder and very carefully rode through it to get some of oil off the tires. The rest of the ride was totally ruined because I was so paranoid to even lean the bike over a tiny bit until I found a drugstore and bought some rubbing alcohol and some papertowels and wiped the tires down as best I could. Then I found an old farm road and rode it up and down until I was confident that most of the oil had been worn off. I *also* had big fun cleaning my bike when I got home but that's another story. Obtw..the oil patch was caused by some red neck doofus that had a 55 gal drum of used motor oil that fell off the back end of his pickup and the top burst off and it splashed 55 gal of nasty, smelly used motor oil all over the road. The Fire dept hadn't arrived yet and this dork was just standing on the side of the road scratching his head. I told him to run up the road and warn drivers (and especially) bikes and to call the fire department (he had a cell phone. Took two weeks for my seat to reform back to it's normal self. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 09:21:24 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:21:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes At 11:41 PM 3/3/2004, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >Oil can be seen and avoided. (Generally if the color of the road surface >changes the traction changes, maybe better maybe worse, guess which way I >assume.) >A little bit of oil, assuming we are traveling at anything near a reasonable >speed, will not knock us down. Like I said if it is big enough to knock us >down we can see it in plenty of time to take action to prevent an accident. My examples were just that - examples of possible situations where you may lack control. It is a fallacy to assume you will be able to control every situation. Doing so sets you up for an even bigger potential letdown some day. Whether it is a mechanical failure, deer strike, or left turning motorist, sometimes things happen that really are outside of your control. To not believe that is to admit to having either a massive ego or a major delusion. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:08:58 2004 Subject: Summer Riding and Gear Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:12:43 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Thanks to everyone that replied with suggestions about gear. I think I will go with the Joe Rocket mesh jacket based on what I heard here. Thanks for all the offers of jackets as well guys I may still take one of you up on it. Spent a couple of hours riding around town last night and was wondering how exactly I would handle a deer coming at me on Canal Road. Has anyone on this list had a "when deer attack" moment? Little tired yesterday and I discovered for myself what happens when you take a turn too hot. I was coming off the 110 onto 395 South. The first turns were really smooth so I amped up the speed. I was looking left planning to come out in the left of the first "yield" lane. Well I cranked the throttle and was looking left so left is where I went. As I shot out of the curve I crossed the white line and drifted into another lane. I was not proud of myself as I thought about what would have happened if there was a car in that lane, or what would have happened if I had run out of road. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:28:44 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:28:31 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summer Riding and Gear X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 3/4/2004 10:12:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > > Spent a couple of hours riding around town last night and was wondering > how exactly I would handle a deer coming at me on Canal Road. Has > anyone on this list had a "when deer attack" moment? > Deerslayer Chuck, you wanna take this one? ;-) > Little tired yesterday and I discovered for myself what happens when you > take a turn too hot. I was coming off the 110 onto 395 South. The first > turns were really smooth so I amped up the speed. I was looking left > planning to come out in the left of the first "yield" lane. Well I > cranked the throttle and was looking left so left is where I went. As I > shot out of the curve I crossed the white line and drifted into another > lane. I was not proud of myself as I thought about what would have > happened if there was a car in that lane, or what would > have happened if > I had run out of road. You should be ashamed of yourself you hooligan you. ;-) Don't let it get to ya too much. It happens to the best of us. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:29:48 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summer Riding and Gear Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:29:36 -0500 Might have been more target fixation than taking the turn too hot. You go where you look, you said you looked left. Chuck Pena has a write up on his web site (address?) about hitting a deer. >From: "Julian Halton" >To: >Subject: Summer Riding and Gear >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:12:43 -0500 > >Little tired yesterday and I discovered for myself what happens when you >take a turn too hot. I was coming off the 110 onto 395 South. The first >turns were really smooth so I amped up the speed. I was looking left >planning to come out in the left of the first "yield" lane. Well I >cranked the throttle and was looking left so left is where I went. As I >shot out of the curve I crossed the white line and drifted into another >lane. I was not proud of myself as I thought about what would have >happened if there was a car in that lane, or what would have happened if >I had run out of road. > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:48:49 2004 Subject: Sort of OT: Toolboxes From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Mar 2004 10:45:23 -0500 Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. I was going to hit Home Depot or Lowe's this weekend and perhaps even Sears and see what I like. Thanks. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:52:35 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Personal Responsibility: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:58:07 -0500 "After midnight, two motorcycles were traveling together east on Forest Glen Road in Silver Spring when one, a 1994 Harley Davidson, went off the road . ." [Carl]: In addition to the previous posts, "Forest Rats" A.K.A. "Bambi's bastards" can be damn upsetting, especially when a line of 'em hop out in front of you. Fatigue, alcohol, and lack of expertise can lead you to do the wrong thing. "Slow down" was the best advise I saw. Look, if you're on Forest Glen Road, you likely have no more than 5 miles to travel. At 30 mph, it'll take you 10 minutes. At 40 mph, it'll take you 7.5 minutes. Sigh, but often, it isn't the time saved but the thrill of speed that prompts a twist of the fun lever. But there is a time for thrills, and a time to take it easy, minimize the risks, and arrive safely home to hug your honey. Sunday rusty etc. Bob Moaned: One of the reasons I ride year round is that I am not a good enough rider to be able to lay off for several months and then feel comfortable on the bike." [Carl]: And you teach MSF courses to remind yourself which bar to push when you want to turn left eh? 8^D The Evil One Commented Sardonically" Jeeze louise what do you have there, four horns? [Carl]: Yup, the stock horns and the tooters. A DTDP switch on the handlebar allows me to select betwixt a bland "beep" or a hearty "honk". Sometime you need a Bold Blast and sometimes you don't. (FWIW, the DTDP switch is encased in a film canister. Simple, cheap, and otherwise unavailable for bar mounts.) 'N while we're on the subject of Carls Here's some shots from Tall Carl in China: "Go to the bottom of the page and you'll see a baby ceptor that, despite its FireBlade stickers, is actually a babyceptor in quite good condition with offroad tires. Hheheheh...motorcycling over here is completely different. I found this beaut in a town called Chishui which was rather unpleasant to be in but the surrounding are was full of spectacular forests of bamboo and loaded with waterfalls. There are also some pictures of Chishui and Yunnan province on the page as well - this is where I spent my winter break." Someone remarked: "The Phoenix seems to be the original mesh jacket, but there are others out there from AGV, Fieldsheer, Alpinestars, act. Just letting you know." IIRC, BroshTec was the first mesh jacket. Before that Vanson had their perforated leather and a few had zipped vents. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:53:08 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Paper To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the > garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a > cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a > professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to > spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. > > I was going to hit Home Depot or Lowe's this weekend and perhaps even > Sears and see what I like. I had the same problem not too long ago. Sears sells the 3 piece (big bottom on wheels, 3/4 drawer center, and 4-5 drawer top w/ varying types of top drawer/roof shelf) in black/red and w/ or w/o ball bearing sliders on it. If you join the Craftsman club (free) you get an extra 10% off (big sale starts 3/7 - 3/14 for Craftsman club members) whatever sale they are already running. I picked up the 3-stack (as described) for something like $279 (before tax) on one of their big sales. Center piece ended up being free plus some good discounts on the top/bottom pieces. The wheels may seem like overkill, but if you ever have to move it (like slide it an inch left or right), you'll *have* to empty it before you can move it. Damn tools are heavy. -dave -- cerberus@XXXXXX "The only contributions France has given to popular culture in the last 50 years is Gerard Depardieu and that horny skunk." --SNL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:55:27 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:13:34 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes On 4 Mar 2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the > garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a > cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a > professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to > spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. The Sears in Bethesda had some closeout boxes near the front door yesterday when I was in there. Be sure to get a box that's bigger than you need. I have 2 large rolling cabinets and a smaller stacked set and they're all full. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:58:03 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:57:55 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: #(($man-PoserRide's newsletter survey To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX seems the dealership that dare not be named is thinking about opening an offroad riding area somewhere reasonably close by (1-1.5hrs from N.VA) and wants to guage the interest. Is the new management actually trying to turn that ship around? Mar 20 is also supposedly 50% off on helmets but I don't know if that means the whole selection or just the odd-ball sizes. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:00:19 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:59:20 -0500 Subject: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information OK team, how hard is it for a motivated newbie to replace his sprockets and chain with naught more than a rear stand and a stool for his rear end, a flat place in the alley behind his house, and a Clymer manual? I've been told that: 0) I need a dremel tool to get the OEM chain off, by grinding away one of the pin and forcing the link apart with a screw driver (I bet my drill with a grinding head would work just as well...); 1) I might need a 28mm or 30 mm socket to remove the front sprocket, and that my harware store will rent me one (need to check manual about this); 2) getting the masterlink press fit on the chain is an exercise in frustration; 3) that the ~$120 in parts makes it worth it to do myself: RK 520XSO RX-Ring Chain 110 Links - $53.95 (from http://www.mawonline.com/rk.htm) Front sprocket - $24.95 Rear sprocket - $25.88 Nut - $8.56 Lock washer - $1.10 (all from Bike Bandit) Thoughts? -Sean '92 Seca "Gummy cruddy tire... my precious!" II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:12:26 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:12:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Sean Steele , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele Subject: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions OK team, how hard is it for a motivated newbie to replace his sprockets and chain with naught more than a rear stand and a stool for his rear end, a flat place in the alley behind his house, and a Clymer manual? -------- Not very hard. -------- I've been told that: 0) I need a dremel tool to get the OEM chain off, by grinding away one of the pin and forcing the link apart with a screw driver (I bet my drill with a grinding head would work just as well...); -------- Yup. That's what I do. -------- 1) I might need a 28mm or 30 mm socket to remove the front sprocket, and that my harware store will rent me one (need to check manual about this); -------- You sure it's that big? I don't think mine's bigger than 14 mm. Those bigger sockets can prolly be borrowed from a friend. :) -------- 2) getting the masterlink press fit on the chain is an exercise in frustration; -------- Nah. Just takes a little practice. Some people, i.e., not me, have been known to use a pair of Vise-grips and a ball peen hammer to accomplish this task. Me, I've got the Motion Pro chain press and riveter kit. -------- 3) that the ~$120 in parts makes it worth it to do myself: -------- Is that an o-ring chain? At that price, it may be a standard chain. I've found Chapparal has better prices and service than MAW. RK 520XSO RX-Ring Chain 110 Links - $53.95 ................ Bottom line: an easily doable DIY project with a minimum of tools and fuss. Paul in DC - 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:14:08 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'matthew patton'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: (0|3man-PoserRide's newsletter survey Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:16:29 -0500 Feh. I saw that too. The way I see it, is that they want to keep sales up. They can't do that if people can't ride their junk anywhere around here. They open a pay to ride joint ($300 or some such!) and it's win-win for them. It's all about making mo money. Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [SMTP:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: #(($man-PoserRide's newsletter survey > > seems the dealership that dare not be named is thinking about opening > an offroad riding area somewhere reasonably close by (1-1.5hrs from > N.VA) and wants to guage the interest. Is the new management actually > trying to turn that ship around? Mar 20 is also supposedly 50% off on > helmets but I don't know if that means the whole selection or just the > odd-ball sizes. > > ===== > * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being > the right person. > > * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the > prisoner was you. > > * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. > - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:17:42 2004 Subject: RE: #(($man-PoserRide's newsletter survey Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:16:35 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "matthew patton" , X-imss-version: 2.0 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com I was in there last weekend, to sit on bikes, and although I'd seen a guy ride out a new V-Strom 1000, the salesperson I spoke to could not show me a single dual-sport bike. Okay, he did show me a Honda (something) 400 with street-legal signals and mirrors. No Aprilia Caponord (anyone seen one of those anywhere in the greater DC area?), no other V-Stroms, and had no clue about other potential models. As soon as he determined I was not there to buy one of the models actually on the showroom floor, he wandered off... He also stated that they had had problems getting Aprilias imported, except for some of the smaller scooter models (no Scarabeo 500s either, another nifty Aprilia model). There was a whole table of helmets for sale cheap, but most were the aformentioned oddball sizes, ugly-as-sin color schemes, or stuff found in the back of the warehouse dating back to the late eighties. Very small selection of riding gear for women, amusingly located under large sign reading "Leathers," so my riding partner was unable to even try on samples of some jackets. If I didn't live a whole mile from their showroom, I wouldn't even bother visiting to try on gear or sit on bikes. YMMV, of course. Robert -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: #(($man-PoserRide's newsletter survey seems the dealership that dare not be named is thinking about opening an offroad riding area somewhere reasonably close by (1-1.5hrs from N.VA) and wants to guage the interest. Is the new management actually trying to turn that ship around? Mar 20 is also supposedly 50% off on helmets but I don't know if that means the whole selection or just the odd-ball sizes. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:21:47 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "Paul Wilson" CC: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:20:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information > Is that an o-ring chain? At that price, it may be a standard chain. > > RK 520XSO RX-Ring Chain 110 Links - $53.95 Hmm, that's a good (and cost saving) point you raise. I think I found a much cheaper chain here: http://tinyurl.com/yvy6r -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:21:48 2004 Subject: RE: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:21:40 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.0 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com I replaced chain and sprockets for both bikes (Yamaha FZR400 and Honda VF750F) last year. Piece of cake. I would recommend the Motion-Pro chain tool, though, it made the pressing out of the old link pin and the setting of the new one a breeze. Less mess than grinding, and far less danger of slipping and gouging the swing-arm or other bits. I was also appalled at the amount of grunge that had accumulated under the front sprocket cover, though. Looked like flung-off chain lube mixed with a couple of years of road grit, disgusting. ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele Subject: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions OK team, how hard is it for a motivated newbie to replace his sprockets and chain with naught more than a rear stand and a stool for his rear end, a flat place in the alley behind his house, and a Clymer manual? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:23:10 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I got a 4 drawer base with wheels from Sears for $99 or less. It was marketed as a "work center" and had a black plastic top with bins and junk. I tore the top off and viola, my base unit for $100 less than the exact same thing was going for beside it but labeled a "tool chest". My 5+3 top unit was again a Sears item pitched to be a chest for placing ontop of a workbench. I plopped it on top of my 'base' and I had a nice chest for <$200. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:29:58 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:29:49 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Personal Responsibility: To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Someone remarked: > "The Phoenix seems to be the original mesh jacket, but there are others out > there from AGV, Fieldsheer, Alpinestars, act. Just letting you know." > IIRC, BroshTec was the first mesh jacket. Before that Vanson had their > perforated leather and a few had zipped vents. First one I ever saw was the Kushitani, in California, over a year before the Joe Rocket appeared. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:30:03 2004 Subject: RE: #(($man-PoserRide's newsletter survey From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Mar 2004 11:26:37 -0500 On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 11:16, Verde, Robert wrote: > I was in there last weekend, to sit on bikes, and although I'd seen a guy > ride out a new V-Strom 1000, the salesperson I spoke to could not show > me a single dual-sport bike. Okay, he did show me a Honda (something) > 400 with street-legal signals and mirrors. No Aprilia Caponord (anyone > seen one of those anywhere in the greater DC area?), no other V-Stroms, > and had no clue about other potential models. As soon as he determined > I was not there to buy one of the models actually on the showroom floor, > he wandered off... He also stated that they had had problems getting > Aprilias imported, except for some of the smaller scooter models (no > Scarabeo 500s either, another nifty Aprilia model). > Dunno about the different models however the coleman's in woodbridge has a couple in the showroom. > YMMV, of course. > IVBUOTT, of coursea > Robert > Carl [0] It Varies By Use Of The Throttle From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:42:13 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'pltrgyst@XXXXXX'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Summer Gear Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:47:44 -0500 > IIRC, BroshTec was the first mesh jacket. Before that Vanson had their > perforated leather and a few had zipped vents. First one I ever saw was the Kushitani, in California, over a year before the Joe Rocket appeared. -- Larry [Carl]: Aye, but IIRC, the Brosh Tec or BroshTex came out in 1998 or 99. Kewl, look at those pants. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:44:22 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:45:07 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes At 08:36 AM 3/4/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >...last summer while riding out in the back country of Va., I came around a blind curve, traveling well below the posted speed limit, I came upon a massive oil spill that ran completely across both lanes of the road and was at least 6 or 7 feet down the road. Guard rails on both sides, and even at my (slow) speed there was no way to avoid going through it. What if it had been a jackknifed semi or other solid obstruction? You'd have been a sorry mess! "Posted speed limit" != "safe speed" in all cases. It's just the fairly safe speed for most vehicles under average conditions for most of the roadway. They sometimes put up yellow advisory signs at particularly tight corners, but not always, especially on the uncrowded back roads we like. "Safe speed" is, among other things, a speed at which you can stop within the distance you can see clearly. "Blind corners" require a much slower speed than what is posted in most cases (as you found). So does fog, heavy rain, setting or rising sun, low traction road conditions (ice, rain, sand, etc.), and fatigue or other factors that affect your reaction time. If it limits your visible range or increases your stopping distance, it warrants a speed reduction, sometimes to well below the posted limit. >Instead, I just let off the throttle, pulled in the clutch, ratcheted up my spincter to "maximum" and rode as straight as I could through it. Sounds like you handled it OK, but as they say in flying, "Exemplary pilots use their exemplary judgement to avoid situations that call for their exemplary skills." >The rest of the ride was totally ruined because I was so paranoid to even lean the bike over a tiny bit until I found a drugstore and bought some rubbing alcohol and some papertowels and wiped the tires down as best I could. Does alcohol work for removing oil? I'd have guessed that a detergent (like dish soap) and some water would work better...it binds to grease and oil and makes it water soluble enough to float it away. I don't know what the chemistry of alcohol would do. Have to try it sometime. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:59:00 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Personal Responsibility: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:58:53 -0500 "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > > Someone remarked: > > "The Phoenix seems to be the original mesh jacket, but there are others out > > there from AGV, Fieldsheer, Alpinestars, act. Just letting you know." > > IIRC, BroshTec was the first mesh jacket. Before that Vanson had their > > perforated leather and a few had zipped vents. > > First one I ever saw was the Kushitani, in California, over a year before the Joe > Rocket appeared. You're likely to find significantly higher quality in the Kushitani stuff than Joe Rocket. Actually, I figure just about any other brand is going to have better workmanship. Joe Rocket uses the same materials as everyone else but doesn't seem careful about how they put it together (e.g., sewing too close to the edge of the fabric such that the fabric pulls away at the seam when any kind of stress is applied). I currently have their hard drive jacket, revolution pants, reactor jacket (like pheonix but with leather sleeves/shoulders), and pheonix pants. All of them have some kind of defect. The hard drive and reactor jackets have both been replaced under warranty due to issues like this (and the new ones aren't really better). I bought all this stuff at the same time (about 2.5 years ago). When I have the money I'll be replacing the hard drive/revolution stuff with another aerostich suit. I'll probably hang onto the mesh stuff until it falls apart... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:02:19 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:53:42 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Summer Riding and Gear At 10:12 AM 3/4/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >Spent a couple of hours riding around town last night and was wondering >how exactly I would handle a deer coming at me on Canal Road. Has >anyone on this list had a "when deer attack" moment? Not on a road, but I did on a runway once. It was my first supervised solo, just before sunset, at GAI (Montgomery County Airpark). I was on long final (just turned from the base leg) for my second landing and my instructor, who was down on the field watching me, called on the radio to tell me that there were deer on the field and to be prepared for a go-around (I always was anyway...landing is optional on any approach where the plane is still working :^). As I came over the fence I saw them crossing the runway about halfway down the 4096 foot strip. They looked like they'd be clear by the time I got there, but I hit the power and went around anyway. Why take a chance? Besides, it meant I got to fly some more! :^) I've seen them on roadways, but I've never had one try to commit suicide on my hood or front wheel. I hope it stays that way. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:02:22 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:01:59 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes At 10:45 AM 3/4/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation >for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the >garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a >cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a >professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to >spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. > >I was going to hit Home Depot or Lowe's this weekend and perhaps even >Sears and see what I like. Costco has some fairly nice ones for a decent price (I've seen Husky there before). Sears at Montgomery Mall has a very good selection, but you are going to be up around $500 for most of the full height cabinet styles no matter where you go if you buy new. Check out e-bay maybe? I have a roll-around one from Costco for my woodworking stuff, and it works pretty well. I think it was around $300 5 years or so ago. Chop saw is on the top of it, but you can also get another smaller drawer unit to go there too for another $150 or so. For mecahnics tools I picked up a "Rally Box" at Sears. Four drawers and a top tray in a portable metal unit (about twice the height of an average tool box, but the same size, and with handles on the ends). It was something like $70 I think. I'm thinking of building it a little roll-around caster unit as a way to practice welding angle iron. Doesn't really need it, but what the heck, any excuse! and being able to shove it around the garage without closing it up to lift it would be handy sometimes. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:21:56 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:21:49 -0500 Costo and Sams Club have some nice rollaround tool chests for much less than the local stores. Might want to check them out. -aki > > From: Carl Schelin > Date: 2004/03/04 Thu AM 10:45:23 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Sort of OT: Toolboxes > > Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the > garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a > cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a > professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to > spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. > > I was going to hit Home Depot or Lowe's this weekend and perhaps even > Sears and see what I like. > > Thanks. > > Carl > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:22:58 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:22:46 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/4/2004 8:37:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > ...last summer while riding out in the back country of Va., I came around a > blind curve, traveling well below the posted speed limit, I came upon a > massive oil spill that ran completely across both lanes of the road and was > at least 6 or 7 feet down the road. Crap! That one compressed my sphincter. BUT, it was big enough to see, you saw it on time to take action, you did not crash. BTW I would have put that in the "extremely rare" category if you had gone down. You did not, skill, preparation, and a cool head let you pull it out. And then you helped those who came after you! A great big GOOD ON YOU! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:24:54 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:24:35 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: Sean Steele CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions Sean, Yes, I work for a bike shop. Yes, I sell this stuff. I'm not trying to persuade you to buy anything from me. Just wanted to get that out of the way ( :D ) before I mention ... The first chain you link to on MAW says in the description "for 250cc - 350cc application". I would not put that chain on your bike. (Unless the description is a misprint, but at that price point, I doubt it is). The second chain you link to is a cheap roller chain. It is not an O-ring chain. It will stretch (yes, I know they claim it's "pre-stretched"), and you will need to lubricate it on a regular basis, unlike an O-Ring chain. It will also have to be replaced much sooner than a good O-Ring chain. Considering the fact that your chain is fairly important, and its failure could have rather nasty consequences ... I really recommend buying a quality O-Ring chain that's right for your bike :) Aside from that, it's not hard to change out your chain and sprockets. If you don't have a rivet link tool, or don't know someone who will let you use theirs, you're going to need a clip type master link unless you want to creatively install the rivet type. I wouldn't recommend either, but if you have to, use the clip type link. A dremmel or drill w/cutting tool is all you need to get the old one off and to size the new one. - Roach Sean Steele wrote: > Hmm, that's a good (and cost saving) point you raise. I think I found a > much cheaper chain here: http://tinyurl.com/yvy6r > > -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:27:14 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:27:09 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Carl Schelin cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes On 4 Mar 2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the > garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a > cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a > professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to > spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. get alot more space than you think you need.... I'm into 2 4-5' tall 26" wide cabinets and they are both full, and I'm thinking I may need to get another as I'm growing out of them. I'm hesitant to get one of the monster 48" wide units, even tho I'd love it, if I ever have to move it it would be a major bear, even empty. the 3-stack 26" wide units are not too bad even loaded for 2 people to move... the 48" wide units get into the 300-500lb empty range. Ball bearing slides are NIICE but for as much use as a home box will get the friction slides will be adequate and you can save upward of 50% on the box cost by getting the friction slides. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:33:46 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:33:36 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: Mike Bartman CC: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Mike Bartman wrote: > Costco has some fairly nice ones for a decent price (I've seen Husky there > before). Sears at Montgomery Mall has a very good selection, but you are > going to be up around $500 for most of the full height cabinet styles no > matter where you go if you buy new. Check out e-bay maybe? Not at all ... 8 drawer roller at sears is $229. The more expensive ones have ball-bearing drawers and hold more weight, but if you don't need that ... the $229 is a good buy. They have others in that price range as well. http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00965807000 - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:33:49 2004 Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Mar 2004 12:30:23 -0500 On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 12:01, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:45 AM 3/4/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > >for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the > >garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a > >cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a > >professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to > >spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. > > > >I was going to hit Home Depot or Lowe's this weekend and perhaps even > >Sears and see what I like. > > Costco has some fairly nice ones for a decent price (I've seen Husky there > before). Sears at Montgomery Mall has a very good selection, but you are > going to be up around $500 for most of the full height cabinet styles no > matter where you go if you buy new. Check out e-bay maybe? > That or the paper was to be final check after looking at the different chests and getting a good idea on what to look out for. Ball bearing vs friction for example. > I have a roll-around one from Costco for my woodworking stuff, and it works > pretty well. I think it was around $300 5 years or so ago. Chop saw is on > the top of it, but you can also get another smaller drawer unit to go there > too for another $150 or so. > I'll add BJ's to my list of places to stop and shop. > For mecahnics tools I picked up a "Rally Box" at Sears. Four drawers and a > top tray in a portable metal unit (about twice the height of an average > tool box, but the same size, and with handles on the ends). It was > something like $70 I think. I'm thinking of building it a little > roll-around caster unit as a way to practice welding angle iron. Doesn't > really need it, but what the heck, any excuse! and being able to shove it > around the garage without closing it up to lift it would be handy sometimes. > Yea, that's the idea with the chest on wheels. Being able to move it to a better location or even next to the bike/car. > -- Mike B. > Thanks, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:36:07 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:35:40 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Carl Schelin wrote: > Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > for a tool chest. Sears all the way. I've had a craftsman 5 drawer w/storage roller for 6 or 7 years now that has withstood being dragged all over the place (shop/racing). I've recently upgraded to a really nice Matco box my wife got me for Xmas, but the old craftsman will be in the garage at home for some time to come. If you catch them on sale, they're very reasonable and they do last forever. The ones with ball-bearings in the drawer slides are very nice, but if you're not going in and out of it all day, every day, you may not need to spend the extra cash. Mine is the cheaper one without them, but it never annoyed me all that much. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:43:07 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:43:00 -0500 > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/03/04 Thu AM 11:45:07 EST > To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes > > At 08:36 AM 3/4/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > >...last summer while riding out in the back country of Va., I came around > a blind curve, traveling well below the posted speed limit, I came upon a > massive oil spill that ran completely across both lanes of the road and was > at least 6 or 7 feet down the road. Guard rails on both sides, and even at > my (slow) speed there was no way to avoid going through it. > > What if it had been a jackknifed semi or other solid obstruction? You'd > have been a sorry mess! > > "Posted speed limit" != "safe speed" in all cases. It's just the fairly > safe speed for most vehicles under average conditions for most of the > roadway. They sometimes put up yellow advisory signs at particularly tight > corners, but not always, especially on the uncrowded back roads we like. ...and that's probably why my "spydie sense" went off. For some reason, something didn't look "right". I slowed WAY down going around the corner and if I hadn't, I would have been in big trouble. > > "Safe speed" is, among other things, a speed at which you can stop within > the distance you can see clearly. "Blind corners" require a much slower > speed than what is posted in most cases (as you found). So does fog, heavy > rain, setting or rising sun, low traction road conditions (ice, rain, sand, > etc.), and fatigue or other factors that affect your reaction time. If it > limits your visible range or increases your stopping distance, it warrants > a speed reduction, sometimes to well below the posted limit. ..yup > > >Instead, I just let off the throttle, pulled in the clutch, ratcheted up > my spincter to "maximum" and rode as straight as I could through it. > > Sounds like you handled it OK, but as they say in flying, "Exemplary pilots > use their exemplary judgement to avoid situations that call for their > exemplary skills." > > >The rest of the ride was totally ruined because I was so paranoid to even > lean the bike over a tiny bit until I found a drugstore and bought some > rubbing alcohol and some papertowels and wiped the tires down as best I > could. > > Does alcohol work for removing oil? I'd have guessed that a detergent > (like dish soap) and some water would work better...it binds to grease and > oil and makes it water soluble enough to float it away. I don't know what > the chemistry of alcohol would do. Have to try it sometime. ...it wasn't the greatest but it did clean up the "gunk". Honestly, I hadn't thought of soap and water, I just bought the first thing I though would clean it up. It did an adequate job IMHO. cheers, -aki > > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:46:44 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:46:35 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/4/2004 9:21:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > sometimes things happen that really are outside of your > control. Nearly everything we encounter out there is outside of our control. > It is a fallacy to assume you will be able to control every > situation. I never said situations were within our control. However our reaction to, and preparation for, situations _is_ within our control. In fact it is our responsibility to control our reactions/vehicles in any situation. This whole thing started with a "maybe they hit some sand or gravel" sort of statement. My whole point is that if there was enough sand or gravel on the road to knock them down they had no excuse for not seeing it in time to react and avoid the crash. My point is that we have made it all too easy for people in general to say "it was not my fault because..." The _only_ thing I am saying is that if you come to me with "I fell because..." It better be a damn good because. > admit to having either a massive ego or a major delusion. OK John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:47:51 2004 Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Mar 2004 12:44:25 -0500 On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 12:33, Brian Roach wrote: > Mike Bartman wrote: > > > Costco has some fairly nice ones for a decent price (I've seen Husky there > > before). Sears at Montgomery Mall has a very good selection, but you are > > going to be up around $500 for most of the full height cabinet styles no > > matter where you go if you buy new. Check out e-bay maybe? > > Not at all ... 8 drawer roller at sears is $229. The more expensive ones > have ball-bearing drawers and hold more weight, but if you don't need > that ... the $229 is a good buy. They have others in that price range as > well. > > http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00965807000 > That looks pretty good and I can put my smaller three drawer tool box on top. I'll check that one out and ones that are similar. Thanks. > - Roach > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:58:59 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:58:42 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/4/2004 11:44:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Does alcohol work for removing oil? I'd have guessed that a detergent > (like dish soap) and some water would work better. BTDT I usually try to find some sand/dirt (like the side of the road or just a dirt road) to ride down and let the sand absorb/abrade the oil off the tire. But then I am comfortable riding on dirt. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 13:03:18 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:03:11 -0500 > > From: Brian Roach > Date: 2004/03/04 Thu PM 12:35:40 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > > for a tool chest. > > > Sears all the way. I've had a craftsman 5 drawer w/storage roller for 6 > or 7 years now that has withstood being dragged all over the place > (shop/racing). I've recently upgraded to a really nice Matco box my wife > got me for Xmas, but the old craftsman will be in the garage at home for > some time to come. If you catch them on sale, they're very reasonable > and they do last forever. The ones with ball-bearings in the drawer > slides are very nice, but if you're not going in and out of it all day, > every day, you may not need to spend the extra cash. Mine is the cheaper > one without them, but it never annoyed me all that much. > > - Roach > My wife bought me a two piece Sears Craftsman rollaround. The lower unit has two large drawers and a large open compartment with a pull down cover. The upper unit has several drawers with a lift up top. All of it is ball bearing and it's built like a tank. I have no idea how much she paid for it but I can't thank her enough. One of the first things I did was go to homer depot and get some thin rubber matting and cut it up in squares to line all of the drawers with. It makes the tools not slide around, keeps things clean and the tools don't bang around when I set them into the drawers. But be warned, there's some unwritten rule that if you buy a new toolbox, you *have* to buy new tools. There's nothing uglier than buying a new box and putting nasty old, beatup tools in it. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 13:04:53 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:04:42 EST Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/4/2004 10:49:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > I don't need to > spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. My motto is "Good tools. Crappy box." Or at least that is the way it has always worked out. My first "toolbox" was/is a work bench with drawers sold by Sears that I bought back in the early 70s. Still have it, still use it, and they still sell it. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 13:07:15 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:07:06 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > But be warned, there's some unwritten rule that if you buy a new toolbox, you *have* to buy new tools. There's nothing > uglier than buying a new box and putting nasty old, beatup > tools in it. ;-) Try working somewhere where the Crack Dealer, I mean Matco Man, comes by once a month with the truck full of shiny things! - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 13:07:36 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:07:30 -0500 > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: 2004/03/04 Thu PM 12:58:42 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes > > In a message dated 3/4/2004 11:44:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, > omni@XXXXXX writes: > > > Does alcohol work for removing oil? I'd have guessed that a detergent > > (like dish soap) and some water would work better. > > BTDT I usually try to find some sand/dirt (like the side of the road or just > a dirt road) to ride down and let the sand absorb/abrade the oil off the tire. > But then I am comfortable riding on dirt. > ...that's what I did, but I was concerned that the edges of my tires were still slippery and going around a turn *ISN'T* the time to find out! 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 13:09:29 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:09:22 -0500 > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: 2004/03/04 Thu PM 01:04:42 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes > > In a message dated 3/4/2004 10:49:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > I don't need to > > spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. > > My motto is "Good tools. Crappy box." Or at least that is the way it has > always worked out. > My first "toolbox" was/is a work bench with drawers sold by Sears that I > bought back in the early 70s. Still have it, still use it, and they still sell it. > I knew someone once that picked up a really nice rollaround at a garage sale. Check out the garage sale announcements in the newspaper and see if any of them mention it. Give them a call and maybe you can just buy it outright from them before the sale. Something that big and bulky they may be glad to get rid of early. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 14:01:39 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:05:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions To: "Sean Steele" Cc: "DC Cycles" From: "garcia oliver" "Sean Steele" writes: >0) I need a dremel tool to get the OEM chain off, by grinding away one >of the pin and forcing the link apart with a screw driver (I bet my >drill with a grinding head would work just as well...); I find that a grinding disk (cutoff wheel) on an electric drill is much faster. Grind off both pins on the same side of one link. > > >1) I might need a 28mm or 30 mm socket to remove the front sprocket, and >that my harware store will rent me one (need to check manual about this); Sometimes a big adjustable wrench will fit. In a pinch you can remove it with a chisel. > > >2) getting the masterlink press fit on the chain is an exercise in >frustration; Yes, and worse than that. Either get a chain-press kit (you won't be able to mushroom the pins over the sideplate without this), or screw-type master link (5" vice-grips will work here), or clip-type master link. Properly installed, the clip-type work fine. > > >3) that the ~$120 in parts makes it worth it to do myself: > >RK 520XSO RX-Ring Chain 110 Links - $53.95 > (from http://www.mawonline.com/rk.htm) >Front sprocket - $24.95 >Rear sprocket - $25.88 >Nut - $8.56 >Lock washer - $1.10 > (all from Bike Bandit) Make sure the rear sprocket is steel. Nut? Why? > >Thoughts? Occasionally. --garcia )B“How is it that the American government was 100 percent certain that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, but zero percent able to find them?)B” [Hans Blix, UN chief weapons inspector] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 14:02:23 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:02:49 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes At 01:03 PM 3/4/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >One of the first things I did was go to homer depot and >get some thin rubber matting and cut it up in squares to line all of the drawers with. It makes the tools not slide around, keeps things clean and the tools don't bang around when I set them into the drawers. My roll-around came with mats, but the Rally box didn't. I used that rubber mesh stuff they sell in various colors in rolls at Costco. About $9 for a 6" diameter roll of the stuff (10 yards or something like that, about 20" wide). Works great as a tool box liner. I got the white stuff, and the contrast and reflected light makes it easy to see tools even in slightly dim light at the back of the drawers. Better than the black stuff my roll-around came with, though not as tough (but at the price, I can replace it cheaply enough if it gets battered...so far it's holding up well though). I also put some under the silverware tray in the kitchen and it no longer slides around when you open the drawer. It's non-skid and slightly cushioned, and cuts with scissors. I've seen the same stuff at several times the price at the grocery store in the shelf liner section. I've also seen it available pre-cut into squares, again at several times the Costco price. >But be warned, there's some unwritten rule that if you buy a new toolbox, you *have* to buy new tools. There's nothing >uglier than buying a new box and putting nasty old, beatup >tools in it. ;-) Buying new tools is why I needed a new toolbox. I guess I got it backwards...seeing the new tools in my beat up old box just didn't cut it. (and they didn't fit... :^). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 14:02:24 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:54:16 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes At 12:44 PM 3/4/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 12:33, Brian Roach wrote: http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&p id=00965807000 >> > >That looks pretty good and I can put my smaller three drawer tool box on >top. If you take away the three thin top drawers from that, and make the drawers ball bearing slides, it's pretty much what I got at Costco. It's a decent setup, especially when combined with a box on top with more small drawers for sockets, wrenches, etc.. You still have the pegboard for the really awkward stuff anyway. :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 14:05:29 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:06:12 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes At 01:09 PM 3/4/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >I knew someone once that picked up a really nice rollaround at a garage sale. Check out the garage sale announcements in the newspaper and see if any of them mention it. Don't forget the estate sale announcements either. Jewelry, dishes and furniture are the most common items, but every once in a while there are some decent tools at those things too. Very often the folks running the estate sales don't know much about tools or what they are worth either. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 14:12:16 2004 Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Mar 2004 14:08:49 -0500 On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 13:54, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:44 PM 3/4/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > >On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 12:33, Brian Roach wrote: > http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&p > id=00965807000 > >> > > > >That looks pretty good and I can put my smaller three drawer tool box on > >top. > > If you take away the three thin top drawers from that, and make the drawers > ball bearing slides, it's pretty much what I got at Costco. It's a decent > setup, especially when combined with a box on top with more small drawers > for sockets, wrenches, etc.. You still have the pegboard for the really > awkward stuff anyway. :^) No no, we're moving. I don't know if I'll even have a wall where we're going ;-) > > -- Mike B. > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 14:22:07 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:22:50 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes At 02:08 PM 3/4/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 13:54, Mike Bartman wrote: >> for sockets, wrenches, etc.. You still have the pegboard for the really >> awkward stuff anyway. :^) > >No no, we're moving. I don't know if I'll even have a wall where we're >going ;-) Okaaaayyy....then if it was me, I wouldn't go! I've grown accustomed to having walls in the places I live. Particularly in areas where it snows. Alternate storage for seldom-used or awkwardly-sized tools that don't need gentle storage (faucet wrenches for example, but not torque wrenches :^): Those big plastic bins with the twin blue plastic tops that fold down and lock together. They are at Costco for under $5. They are semi-opaque, so you can even get away without labeling them if your stuff is easy enough to identify from a shadow. :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 14:24:13 2004 Subject: RE: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:24:04 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "garcia oliver" , "Sean Steele" Cc: "DC Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.0 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com I used clip-type chains on both bikes (converted the FZR to 520 chain while I was at it) and have had no problems. I did wire the clip on the FZR, then covered it with a dab of silicone sealant, worked a treat. Robert -----Original Message----- From: garcia oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:05 PM To: Sean Steele Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions > >2) getting the masterlink press fit on the chain is an exercise in >frustration; Yes, and worse than that. Either get a chain-press kit (you won't be able to mushroom the pins over the sideplate without this), or screw-type master link (5" vice-grips will work here), or clip-type master link. Properly installed, the clip-type work fine. --garcia "How is it that the American government was 100 percent certain that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, but zero percent able to find them?" [Hans Blix, UN chief weapons inspector] (ROTFLMAO!!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 14:42:12 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Daytona Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:42:00 -0500 It's hot, noisy and traffic is worse than a beltway rush hour in the snow. But it is Bike Week at Daytona And I'm here OTOH - I've GOT bo be back by Sunday morning and the weather forecast for Saturday shows the entire coastline in rain. It's just amazing how things even up in the long run ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 14:49:07 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:49:03 -0500 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Daytona At 02:42 PM 3/4/2004, Michael Jordan wrote: >It's hot, noisy and traffic is worse than a beltway rush hour in the snow. > >But it is Bike Week at Daytona I had to send a tech to our site in Daytona. On his way back there was a tractor trailer accident at the 4/95 intersection. 27 mile backup one way, 17 miles the other. Glad I wasn't on the bike in that mess in full safety attire. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 16:53:36 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Summer Gear To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > IIRC, BroshTec was the first mesh jacket. Before that Vanson had their > > perforated leather and a few had zipped vents. > > First one I ever saw was the Kushitani, in California, over a year before > the Joe Rocket appeared. > -- Larry > > [Carl]: Aye, but IIRC, the Brosh Tec or BroshTex > came out in 1998 or 99. > Kewl, look at those pants. Can't see them -- the site is IE only. 8;( A quick google groups search shows the Kushitani out in 1999 (I got mine in early 2001) and a Motoport mesh/armored jacket out in 1995. I've never seen the latter. No mention of the Brosh or Broshtex. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 16:56:54 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Summer Riding and Gear To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Thanks to everyone that replied with suggestions about > gear. I think I > will go with the Joe Rocket mesh jacket based on what I > heard here. > Thanks for all the offers of jackets as well guys I may > still take one > of you up on it. > > Spent a couple of hours riding around town last night and > was wondering > how exactly I would handle a deer coming at me on Canal > Road. Has > anyone on this list had a "when deer attack" moment? yes, survived a collision with a young buck, upright. pretty funny to watch, i'm told. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 17:01:03 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'pltrgyst@XXXXXX'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Summer Gear Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:06:31 -0500 > [Carl]: Aye, but IIRC, the Brosh Tec or BroshTex > came out in 1998 or 99. Kewl, look at those pants. Larry lamented: "Can't see them -- the site is IE only. 8;( A quick google groups search shows the Kushitani out in 1999 (I got mine in early 2001) and a Motoport mesh/armored jacket out in 1995. I've never seen the latter. No mention of the Brosh or Broshtex." [Carl]: Maybe this site will help put the subject into context. Carl headed for Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 17:02:44 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:02:36 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Personal Responsibility: To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Kirk Roy wrote: > You're likely to find significantly higher quality in the Kushitani stuff than > Joe Rocket. I have both the JR and the Kush mesh jackets, and I think the JR has better protection. The Kush is much softer, more elegant, fits almost like a sweater, with minimal padding. > I currently have their hard drive jacket, revolution pants, reactor jacket > (like pheonix but with leather sleeves/shoulders), and pheonix pants. All of > them have some kind of defect. The hard drive and reactor jackets have both > been replaced under warranty due to issues like this (and the new ones aren't > really better). I bought all this stuff at the same time (about 2.5 years ago). Guess we're on different sides of the fence. I've got the JR Phoenix, Atomic, Meteor 4.0, and Ballistic 2.0, as well as the Revolution pants -- all but the Meteor about three years old -- and have noted no defects on any of them. I just wish they still made the bright yellow of the Ballistic 2.0, instead of the darker and much less visible gold they went to for the 3.0 and 4.0. 8;( -- Larry -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 02:09:38 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 02:09:39 -0500 I've had Craftsman boxes. Now I have a Snap-on box. In comparison, the Craftsman top-o-the line ball bearing box is still crap compared to even a snap-on bottom of the line box. The craftsman boxes are made of thinner folded metal, the drawer slides don't hold near the weight of the SO slides (I can sit in a drawer and not worry about bending anything.) Granted, the snap on box will set you back $3,000-19,000.... Empty. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 06:05:22 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 06:04:40 -0800 Subject: Part time job Cc: mgCL@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob McKeithen No matter where you live the Motorcycle Safety foundation needs instructors( now called RiderCoaches in most states). If you can spare a few weekends a year it can be a very rewarding experience. 1. I made a bit over $5000 last year. The extra money goes into my "motorcycle fund" 2. The training and constant re-enforcement will make you a better rider. 3. One of the most fun things is taking a brand newbie from terrified to confident in a couple of days. The smiles are worth more than the money. The down side 1. You can't imagine the artery clearing rush of watching helplessly as a fifty year old female sails off across the range wheelying a GZ 250 Suzuki at full throttle. She didn't fall and did pass the course. 2. It can be miserably hot/cold / wet out on the range, but it will be a great test of your riding gear. 3. There are probably more but, the +'s outweigh the -'s Contact: http://www.msf-usa.org Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 09:15:29 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: RE: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 9:15:23 -0500 > > From: "Thomas Jordan" > Date: 2004/03/05 Fri AM 02:09:39 EST > To: > Subject: RE: Sort of OT: Toolboxes > > I've had Craftsman boxes. Now I have a Snap-on box. In comparison, the > Craftsman top-o-the line ball bearing box is still crap compared to even a > snap-on bottom of the line box. The craftsman boxes are made of thinner > folded metal, the drawer slides don't hold near the weight of the SO slides > (I can sit in a drawer and not worry about bending anything.) Granted, the > snap on box will set you back $3,000-19,000.... Empty. > > $19,000!!!! EEYYYAAAHHHHH!!! For that much, if my bike breaks, I'll just buy a new one! 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 09:15:29 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 06:15:21 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Here's an example of the Craftsman stuff. It's not the best quality available, but it's pretty darn good for home use: http://www.dccycles.com/graphics/garage1small.jpg http://www.dccycles.com/graphics/garage3small.jpg Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 10:16:44 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:16:40 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: DC: Distracted Driving Act of 2003 Subject: AMA Government Relations News & Notes April 2004 ... Washington, DC City Council has approved the Distracted Driving Act of 2003 by a 13-1 vote. Any distracted behavior by drivers, including cell phone use, will be prohibited, effective July 1, 2004. First time offenders will receive warnings; subsequent offenses will be subject to a $100 fine per violation. The law specifically exempts police and emergency medical technicians during an incident. ... AMA Government Relations News & Notes is a monthly service compiled and edited by the AMA Government Relations Staff to keep motorcyclists informed of happenings around the world. We welcome your news & views. Please submit all material to Terry Lee Cook, Government Relations Specialist, 13515 Yarmouth Drive, Pickerington, OH 43147; fax 614-856-1920 or e-mail to tcook@XXXXXX. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 10:20:59 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:20:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC: Distracted Driving Act of 2003 At 10:16 AM 3/5/2004, Chris Norloff wrote: >Any distracted behavior by drivers, including cell phone use, will be >prohibited, effective July 1, 2004. Good luck enforcing this one. Very wide range of behavior. "I was changing the diaper while driving, but I was not distracted at the time" I'm all for it in theory though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 10:24:42 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:23:37 -0500 Subject: Sorta_OT: Drunken man steals plane, flies into power lines... X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information ... and doesn't know how to fly. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2430358 Question: why doesn't a stolen moto that gets totaled get the same sort of coverage?? Don't answer that. -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 10:26:19 2004 Subject: RE: DC: Distracted Driving Act of 2003 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:26:11 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Troutman" , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com So, this implys that if I'm cut off by a politico in standard-issue Lincoln Navigator, yakking away on cell phone, I can get his/her license and have a citizen citation issued? Nice! Going home last night I was behind a guy reading his newspaper in the truck, interior lights all on. While driving. I backed off and gave him a *lot* of room, passed when I could do so quickly. The warmer weather has motivated a lot of riders to emerge from hibernation, but it's also working on the cagers; I think I've seen more accidents this past week than all of last month. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 10:32:11 2004 Subject: RE: Sorta_OT: Drunken man steals plane, flies into power lines... Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:32:02 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com He's been drinking for four days, yet he's capable of breaking into 16 hangars and steal not one but two planes? Sheesh! I wish I had his recuperative powers! Plus, he walks away from an encounter with high-voltage lines and subsequent plane crash, and proceeds to walk three miles home. I think the Marines should make this guy an offer he can't refuse, and create the next super-soldier. Just needs a brain transplant... My favorite lines; "Kadlecek told police he peered through the early morning fog and saw a set of high-tension power lines looming. The propeller chewed through the lowest wire, carrying more than 100,000 volts of electricity. "He said he saw a bright flash of light," Wagner said. Then Kadlecek said "Oh!" followed by an expletive." ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele [mailto:sean@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:24 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Sorta_OT: Drunken man steals plane, flies into power lines... ... and doesn't know how to fly. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2430358 Question: why doesn't a stolen moto that gets totaled get the same sort of coverage?? Don't answer that. -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 10:35:50 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:35:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles Subject: Re: DC: Distracted Driving Act of 2003 Actually it's the Distracted Driving Act of 2004. Full details here - http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/lims/BillRecord2.asp?legno=B15-0035 It will become law unless Congress acts to overturn within 30 in-session days. Cell phone ban applies to non-hands-free use. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff Subject: AMA Government Relations News & Notes April 2004 ... Washington, DC City Council has approved the Distracted Driving Act of 2003 by a 13-1 vote. Any distracted behavior by drivers, including cell phone use, will be prohibited, effective July 1, 2004. First time offenders will receive warnings; subsequent offenses will be subject to a $100 fine per violation. The law specifically exempts police and emergency medical technicians during an incident.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 10:36:48 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:36:40 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Sorta_OT: Drunken man steals plane, flies into power lines... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > One called 911 and, sure that the pilot was dead, drove off to a golf game. the 'pilot' doesn't need jail time he needs a sign tattoo'd to his forehead that reads "I am a moron" and made to walk the streets of Houston with a sandwitch sign reading same. And spend his nights in the public stocks. This has got to be a Darwin candidate. But I think the golf-weenie needs to spend a night or two in the slammer for failure to render assistance. Wouldn't want to miss his bloody Tee-time now would he... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 11:31:33 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:31:17 -0500 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: RE: Sort of OT: Toolboxes At 09:15 AM 3/5/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> From: "Thomas Jordan" >> (I can sit in a drawer and not worry about bending anything.) Granted, the >> snap on box will set you back $3,000-19,000.... Empty. >> >> >$19,000!!!! EEYYYAAAHHHHH!!! For that much, if my bike breaks, I'll just buy a new one! 8-P Snap-On is for pros, not hobbyists. If a pro's equipment breaks, he's out of work until he gets it fixed. He also uses it 5 or more days a week, all day long. Crap stuff won't take that. Even reasonably good stuff won't take it for long. You need top quality gear, and Snap-On is that. Top quality gear has top quality prices attached to it. I worked at an Exxon Car Care Center the summer after high school. One of the mechanics managed to break his Snap-On 1/2" ratchet. It's guaranteed, so replacement is free, but the Snap-On guy only came around every couple of weeks, and he needed a replacement *now*. He got a Craftsman one at Sears. It broke later that same day. He heaved it out the back of the station into the weeds rather than spend the time taking it back to Sears for another one. I looked for that thing for almost 30 minutes...but he was pretty mad and must have thrown it harder than I thought. :^) I'm not a pro, and so Craftsman has been just fine for me as far as ratchets and wrenches go. Never broken any of my Craftsman tools. On the other hand, I gave away my Craftsman router once I used a DeWalt. My routers now are DeWalt and Freud...and there is a *very* noticeable quality difference between them and the Sears equivalents. Ditto for Black & Decker...they are "homeowner" level tools, not professional. Yes, there's a price difference, but it's worth it if you are actually going to use the tools much. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 11:33:56 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:23:14 -0500 To: Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Part time job Cc: mgCL@XXXXXX At 06:04 AM 3/5/04 -0800, Bob McKeithen wrote: >No matter where you live the Motorcycle Safety foundation needs >instructors( now called RiderCoaches in most states). If you can spare >a few weekends a year it can be a very rewarding experience. What does it take in terms of experience, training, equipment, etc. to do this? Do you need to have worn several bikes down to nubs, or can someone with less experience learn to do this? How much less? What training will be required to get certified? Where does this happen and when? What does it cost? What equipment is needed to prepare for, and give, the training? I'm guessing I haven't ridden far enough and long enough to qualify, but I'm curious, and perhaps knowing the answers would tip some of the more experienced folks over the edge into going for it. Given how hard it is to get into a BRC in Maryland, there's certainly a need! I checked the MSF site, but they aren't very clear on these questions...they seem to figure that if you are qualified you won't need to ask. Maybe that's true, or maybe not. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 11:41:38 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:40:34 -0500 To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sorta_OT: Drunken man steals plane, flies into power lines... At 10:23 AM 3/5/04 -0500, Sean Steele wrote: >... and doesn't know how to fly. > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2430358 > >Question: why doesn't a stolen moto that gets totaled get the same sort >of coverage?? I wonder if the FAA will go after him for all the violations of federal aviation regs that he committed? Probably not...most of those are fines, not jail time, and I doubt he has any money to take anyway. At least he can forget ever getting a pilot's license. What an idiot. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 11:51:45 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:49:06 -0500 (EST) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Personal Responsibility: On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > --- Kirk Roy wrote: > > > You're likely to find significantly higher quality in the Kushitani stuff than > > Joe Rocket. > > I have both the JR and the Kush mesh jackets, and I think the JR has better > protection. The Kush is much softer, more elegant, fits almost like a sweater, > with minimal padding. > I have the Ballistic 4.0 jacket and pants as well as the Phoenix jacket and pants. I also have one of their "cruiser" leather jackets. The Ballistic and the leather jacket are fine. The Phoenix does have a little bit of the thread frayed, both on the pants and the jacket. The damange superficial, just the pockets and the patch. It was fine before I went down at around 40ish. I still wear it. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 11:52:18 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:51:55 -0500 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Mike Bartman wrote: > I worked at an Exxon Car Care Center the summer after high school. One of > the mechanics managed to break his Snap-On 1/2" ratchet. It's guaranteed, > so replacement is free, but the Snap-On guy only came around every couple > of weeks, and he needed a replacement *now*. He got a Craftsman one at > Sears. It broke later that same day. He heaved it out the back of the > station into the weeds rather than spend the time taking it back to Sears > for another one. I looked for that thing for almost 30 minutes...but he > was pretty mad and must have thrown it harder than I thought. :^) I turned wrenches for a living for a time, and had a similar experience... I had a 2', 1/2" drive Craftsman breaker bar. I put a 2' piece of pipe on it and was hanging from it when the drive broke. I was loaned a Mac 2' 1/2" drive ratchet. I ended up with about 4' of leverage pipe on it, and my fat arse swinging from it before the bolt let go. I started buying real tools that day. the difference for me is in the "fit" of the tools. A snap-on socket will fit the fastener --much beeter-- than a craftsman, and is therefore less likely to round it off. when you're on commission, rounding shit off eats into your pay, so your tools are making you money; however, no tool makes more money for a mechanic than his pen. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 11:54:17 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:53:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Mike Bartman , Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Part time job (MSF coaches) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman At 06:04 AM 3/5/04 -0800, Bob McKeithen wrote: >No matter where you live the Motorcycle Safety foundation needs >instructors( now called RiderCoaches in most states). If you can spare >a few weekends a year it can be a very rewarding experience. MB: What does it take in terms of experience, training, equipment, etc. to do this? ++++++++++++ PW: There are no hard and fast rules about how much experience you need. Attitude counts for a lot more than experience. Do you feel confident riding in a parking lot? A willingness to learn? I took the instructor course in '01 (is this really my fourth year doing this?) and at that point I had several years of solid riding experience (commuting, back roads hooning, long trips) under my belt. Equipment is minimal. I think we had to cough up $100 for instructor materials. ++++++++++++ MB: Do you need to have worn several bikes down to nubs, or can someone with less experience learn to do this? How much less? What training will be required to get certified? Where does this happen and when? What does it cost? ++++++++++++ For us back in '01, it was a three-consecutive-weekends course. Friday night, all day Sat. and all day Sun. The last weekend was student-teaching, when they put you in front of real live students. I have to say, the IPW (Instructor Prep. Workshop) was a challenge, for me. My wife said I was a missing person during that period. :) ++++++++++++ What equipment is needed to prepare for, and give, the training? ++++++++++++ PW: Everything's provided, (bikes, gas, cones) except for your personal riding gear. Presumably you already have that. Some people buy these nifty holders for the range cards. The back pockets of your jeans work well too. Oh, a whistle and a stopwatch, too. ++++++++++++ MB: I'm guessing I haven't ridden far enough and long enough to qualify, but I'm curious, and perhaps knowing the answers would tip some of the more experienced folks over the edge into going for it. Given how hard it is to get into a BRC in Maryland, there's certainly a need! I checked the MSF site, but they aren't very clear on these questions...they seem to figure that if you are qualified you won't need to ask. Maybe that's true, or maybe not. ++++++++++++ PW: Like I said, no hard and fast rules about riding experience. I had about two years when I took it, and they let me graduate. :) Both Va. and Md. can always use more coaches. If you need specifics, contact the individual state program. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 12:05:48 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 12:05:38 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: Mike Bartman CC: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Mike Bartman wrote: > Snap-On is for pros, not hobbyists. If a pro's equipment breaks, he's out > of work until he gets it fixed. He also uses it 5 or more days a week, all > day long. Crap stuff won't take that. Even reasonably good stuff won't > take it for long. You need top quality gear, and Snap-On is that. Top > quality gear has top quality prices attached to it. Having moved up to Matco and Snap-On tools since I started using them everyday ... there IS a big difference in the hand tools. Ratchets, for example. It sounds stupid, but there's a big difference in the action, as well as the quality. Once you get a nice one, picking up a craftsman makes you cringe. But .. they're priced accordingly. And the "craftsman professional" stuff Sears has come out with to sorta bridge the gap is a pretty nice compromise if you're not a professional mechanic but want a little nicer grade of tools. It's hard to justify $140 for a set of 8 screwdrivers if you're not using them to make money :) As for power tools ... Sears/Craftsman has severely gone down in quality in the last 5 years. I wouldn't buy a Sears power tool anymore, whereas 10 years ago they were very good. Dewalt, Makita, etc all make much better power tools in terms of construction, durability, and quality IMO, and the price difference really isn't that much. Pneumatic tools as well ... I bought a craftsman drill, it lasted less than a year of daily use in the shop :( The other thing about Sears that I find disappointing is that you aren't even guaranteed a new replacement anymore under the guarantee. If you break a ratchet, for example, they can give you a refurbished one as a replacement. Matco and Snap-on hand you a brand new one, no questions asked. But ... I have to say, tool boxes are, er, well ... boxes. I used my cheap craftsman for 3 years, in and out of it all day, every day, and it never failed me. I also dragged it to and from the track every weekend. As long as you don't load it beyond its listed weight capacity, you're fine. The more expensive boxes do have nicer drawers, and will hold more weight ... but if you don't need that, you don't need to spend the money. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 12:24:15 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Daytona Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:24:49 -0500 > I had to send a tech to our site in Daytona. On his way back > there was a tractor trailer accident at the 4/95 > intersection. 27 mile backup one way, > 17 miles the other. I heard about that - seems one semi jumped the median and took out an oncoming semi, one of which proceeded to catch on fire. Gotta love it Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 12:39:11 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Mike Bartman" , "Bob McKeithen" , Subject: Re: Part time job (MSF coaches) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:38:41 -0500 I have been looking to become one but don't know where to turn to get the training. I tried with the Maryland guy and heard nothing from it. Scott Russell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mike Bartman" ; "Bob McKeithen" ; Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Part time job (MSF coaches) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bartman > > At 06:04 AM 3/5/04 -0800, Bob McKeithen wrote: > >No matter where you live the Motorcycle Safety foundation needs > >instructors( now called RiderCoaches in most states). If you can spare > >a few weekends a year it can be a very rewarding experience. > > MB: What does it take in terms of experience, training, equipment, etc. to do > this? > > ++++++++++++ > > PW: There are no hard and fast rules about how much experience you need. Attitude counts for a lot more than experience. Do you feel confident riding in a parking lot? A willingness to learn? I took the instructor course in '01 (is this really my fourth year doing this?) and at that point I had several years of solid riding experience (commuting, back roads hooning, long trips) under my belt. Equipment is minimal. I think we had to cough up $100 for instructor materials. > > ++++++++++++ > > MB: Do you need to have worn several bikes down to nubs, or can someone with > less experience learn to do this? How much less? > > What training will be required to get certified? Where does this happen > and when? What does it cost? > > ++++++++++++ > For us back in '01, it was a three-consecutive-weekends course. Friday night, all day Sat. and all day Sun. The last weekend was student-teaching, when they put you in front of real live students. I have to say, the IPW (Instructor Prep. Workshop) was a challenge, for me. My wife said I was a missing person during that period. :) > > ++++++++++++ > > What equipment is needed to prepare for, and give, the training? > > ++++++++++++ > PW: Everything's provided, (bikes, gas, cones) except for your personal riding gear. Presumably you already have that. Some people buy these nifty holders for the range cards. The back pockets of your jeans work well too. Oh, a whistle and a stopwatch, too. > > ++++++++++++ > > MB: I'm guessing I haven't ridden far enough and long enough to qualify, but > I'm curious, and perhaps knowing the answers would tip some of the more > experienced folks over the edge into going for it. Given how hard it is to > get into a BRC in Maryland, there's certainly a need! I checked the MSF > site, but they aren't very clear on these questions...they seem to figure > that if you are qualified you won't need to ask. Maybe that's true, or > maybe not. > > ++++++++++++ > > PW: Like I said, no hard and fast rules about riding experience. I had about two years when I took it, and they let me graduate. :) > > Both Va. and Md. can always use more coaches. If you need specifics, contact the individual state program. > > > Paul in DC > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 12:43:04 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: BMW @ Daytona Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:43:39 -0500 Demo rides in the infield - Yahoo! Lead rider said that they used to go on the bank until about two years ago when a rider fell off. Evidently she didn't believe them when they said to maintain at least 80mph on the bank. Anyhoo - no more rides on the banking. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 13:29:00 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 13:28:49 -0500 From: "David Wakefield" To: "S. Russell" CC: Paul Wilson , Mike Bartman , Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Part time job (MSF coaches) Talk with someone at the Glen Burnie headquarters. 410-424-3123 "S. Russell" wrote: > > I have been looking to become one but don't know where to turn to get the > training. I tried with the Maryland guy and heard nothing from it. > > Scott Russell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Mike Bartman" ; "Bob McKeithen" > ; > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: Part time job (MSF coaches) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Bartman > > > > At 06:04 AM 3/5/04 -0800, Bob McKeithen wrote: > > >No matter where you live the Motorcycle Safety foundation needs > > >instructors( now called RiderCoaches in most states). If you can spare > > >a few weekends a year it can be a very rewarding experience. > > > > MB: What does it take in terms of experience, training, equipment, etc. > to do > > this? > > > > ++++++++++++ > > > > PW: There are no hard and fast rules about how much experience you need. > Attitude counts for a lot more than experience. Do you feel confident > riding in a parking lot? A willingness to learn? I took the instructor > course in '01 (is this really my fourth year doing this?) and at that point > I had several years of solid riding experience (commuting, back roads > hooning, long trips) under my belt. Equipment is minimal. I think we had > to cough up $100 for instructor materials. > > > > ++++++++++++ > > > > MB: Do you need to have worn several bikes down to nubs, or can someone > with > > less experience learn to do this? How much less? > > > > What training will be required to get certified? Where does this happen > > and when? What does it cost? > > > > ++++++++++++ > > For us back in '01, it was a three-consecutive-weekends course. Friday > night, all day Sat. and all day Sun. The last weekend was student-teaching, > when they put you in front of real live students. I have to say, the IPW > (Instructor Prep. Workshop) was a challenge, for me. My wife said I was a > missing person during that period. :) > > > > ++++++++++++ > > > > What equipment is needed to prepare for, and give, the training? > > > > ++++++++++++ > > PW: Everything's provided, (bikes, gas, cones) except for your personal > riding gear. Presumably you already have that. Some people buy these nifty > holders for the range cards. The back pockets of your jeans work well too. > Oh, a whistle and a stopwatch, too. > > > > ++++++++++++ > > > > MB: I'm guessing I haven't ridden far enough and long enough to qualify, > but > > I'm curious, and perhaps knowing the answers would tip some of the more > > experienced folks over the edge into going for it. Given how hard it is > to > > get into a BRC in Maryland, there's certainly a need! I checked the MSF > > site, but they aren't very clear on these questions...they seem to figure > > that if you are qualified you won't need to ask. Maybe that's true, or > > maybe not. > > > > ++++++++++++ > > > > PW: Like I said, no hard and fast rules about riding experience. I had > about two years when I took it, and they let me graduate. :) > > > > Both Va. and Md. can always use more coaches. If you need specifics, > contact the individual state program. > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 13:48:27 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 13:45:36 -0500 To: Skip From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:51 AM 3/5/04 -0500, Skip wrote: >I turned wrenches for a living for a time, and had a similar experience... I had >a 2', 1/2" drive Craftsman breaker bar. I put a 2' piece of pipe on it and was >hanging from it when the drive broke. I was loaned a Mac 2' 1/2" drive >ratchet. I ended up with about 4' of leverage pipe on it, and my fat arse >swinging from it before the bolt let go. > >I started buying real tools that day. Yeah, it's sort of like Snap-On is to Craftsman what Craftsman is to Globe (the tools you used to see in the "Any tool in this bin, $1.99" piles). When I was very young and poor (like 12) I picked up a set of Globe screwdrivers. They worked OK for me. One day my dad asked me for a screwdriver...he was changing license plates on the car. I gave him one of mine...the big one. He looked at it, shrugged, and went to work. 30 seconds later there was a "ping!!!!", a curse, and a loud request for one of his own screwdrivers (Craftsman). My screwdriver was missing half the tip...his did the job on the rusted screw no problem. I got the message about cost and quality...though it was a while before I could do much with the information. ;^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 14:00:04 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:59:56 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Part time job To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > What does it take in terms of experience, training, equipment, etc. > to do this? In your case Mike it's going to take shovels-full of self-control. You can't afford to respond in depth to each and every question ever spoken aloud. *grin* It will also take some getting used to keeping on the straight and narrow track of the curriculum. NOt to say the instructors don't have a little bit of leeway but it's quite restrictive and 'war stories' is a very common mistake. > less experience learn to do this? How much less? I had owned a motorcycle for all of 9 months (since passing my basic rider class the previous June?) and put 20k miles on it when I signed up to teach. I got the "you want to do what?" look and I was also the youngest guy (27) that year if not in all recent memory (I think). Most of the instructors are "seasoned" riders. They allowed me to take the IP and yes they even let me graduate. When they gave me the raised eyebrow on the first day I said, "come on, most everybody does less than 3K miles a year. By that measure I've been riding for 7 years." ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 14:03:43 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 14:03:21 -0500 To: Brian Roach From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Cc: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:05 PM 3/5/04 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >As for power tools ... Sears/Craftsman has severely gone down in quality >in the last 5 years. They've been going down for longer than that. My dad has a 1/4" drill he got in the early 60s that still works great. Metal shell, good bearings, etc.. I used it as a kid, and I used it the last time I was out visiting him, and I'm in my late 40s now. I've got a Craftsman belt sander I got as a gift in the 80s. It's ok, but not as good as the one my dad got in the 60s...which he also still uses. His feels better (fit, finish, vibration, extraneous noise, etc.). As I said before, I gave away the router to a friend who needed one but didn't have the money for it...I like my DeWalt and Freud routers much better anyway. Sort of the difference between an old VW bug and a Mercedes. >I wouldn't buy a Sears power tool anymore, whereas >10 years ago they were very good. Dewalt, Makita, etc all make much >better power tools in terms of construction, durability, and quality Those are good, as are Porter-Cable, Bosch, and Milwaukee. Ryobi isn't bad, though they are a step down from those in most cases. >The other thing about Sears that I find disappointing is that you aren't >even guaranteed a new replacement anymore under the guarantee. If you >break a ratchet, for example, they can give you a refurbished one as a >replacement. Matco and Snap-on hand you a brand new one, no questions >asked. Probably because they disect failed tools, they don't refurb them... (just guessing there :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 14:03:46 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 13:52:31 -0500 To: Paul Wilson , Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Part time job (MSF coaches) Thank you for the answers. I think I'll rack up a few more miles and months before I consider this, but it sounds like a good thing to do, and it isn't likely to hurt my own skills any to take the training and teach others. Teaching is often the best way to learn something very solidly I've found. Any gaps in your understanding show up pretty quickly, and it makes you really think about whatever it is. :^) I'm hoping I got into the ERC course the local HOGs are running this spring (only the first 10 to apply will make it...I sent the application the morning after the announcement, but I haven't heard back yet)...that should tell me a bit more about how much I still need to learn. Meanwhile, I'm riding every chance I get...later today for instance. :^) -- Mike B. At 11:53 AM 3/5/04 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Bartman > >At 06:04 AM 3/5/04 -0800, Bob McKeithen wrote: >>No matter where you live the Motorcycle Safety foundation needs >>instructors( now called RiderCoaches in most states). If you can spare >>a few weekends a year it can be a very rewarding experience. > >MB: What does it take in terms of experience, training, equipment, etc. to do >this? > >++++++++++++ > >PW: There are no hard and fast rules about how much experience you need. Attitude counts for a lot more than experience. Do you feel confident riding in a parking lot? A willingness to learn? I took the instructor course in '01 (is this really my fourth year doing this?) and at that point I had several years of solid riding experience (commuting, back roads hooning, long trips) under my belt. Equipment is minimal. I think we had to cough up $100 for instructor materials. > >++++++++++++ > >MB: Do you need to have worn several bikes down to nubs, or can someone with >less experience learn to do this? How much less? > >What training will be required to get certified? Where does this happen >and when? What does it cost? > >++++++++++++ >For us back in '01, it was a three-consecutive-weekends course. Friday night, all day Sat. and all day Sun. The last weekend was student-teaching, when they put you in front of real live students. I have to say, the IPW (Instructor Prep. Workshop) was a challenge, for me. My wife said I was a missing person during that period. :) > >++++++++++++ > >What equipment is needed to prepare for, and give, the training? > >++++++++++++ >PW: Everything's provided, (bikes, gas, cones) except for your personal riding gear. Presumably you already have that. Some people buy these nifty holders for the range cards. The back pockets of your jeans work well too. Oh, a whistle and a stopwatch, too. > >++++++++++++ > >MB: I'm guessing I haven't ridden far enough and long enough to qualify, but >I'm curious, and perhaps knowing the answers would tip some of the more >experienced folks over the edge into going for it. Given how hard it is to >get into a BRC in Maryland, there's certainly a need! I checked the MSF >site, but they aren't very clear on these questions...they seem to figure >that if you are qualified you won't need to ask. Maybe that's true, or >maybe not. > >++++++++++++ > >PW: Like I said, no hard and fast rules about riding experience. I had about two years when I took it, and they let me graduate. :) > >Both Va. and Md. can always use more coaches. If you need specifics, contact the individual state program. > > >Paul in DC > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 14:06:58 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Part time job To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 06:04 AM 3/5/04 -0800, Bob McKeithen wrote: > >No matter where you live the Motorcycle Safety foundation needs > >instructors( now called RiderCoaches in most states). If you can spare > >a few weekends a year it can be a very rewarding experience. > > What does it take in terms of experience, training, equipment, etc. to do > this? Paul answered a lot of the "how to" aspects. I'd like to add a little more. An important part of this is your attitude. I've seen some (not a lot, thank goodness) RiderCoaches/instructors with the attitude "I'm doing this to show everyone how much I know and to give them the chance to learn with a real pro!" In otherwords, they teach to stroke their own egos. Most people go in with the attitude "I love motorcycling. I want to help others who want to get involved in motorcycling to get started on the right foot!" These are the people who get turned on by seeing that struggling person finally "get it!" and get their speed up, pick up their feet, and RIDE! These are the people who are there for the students, not their for their egos. These are the people I enjoy teaching with. Someone mentioned trying to get in touch to see how they can become an instructor. I know a few of the upper level guys in Virginia and Maryland. If you let me know which you are interested in, I can pass you some e-mail addresses and phone numbers. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 14:15:33 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 14:14:52 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Part time job At 10:59 AM 3/5/04 -0800, matthew patton wrote: > >I had owned a motorcycle for all of 9 months (since passing my basic >rider class the previous June?) and put 20k miles on it when I signed >up to teach. I got the "you want to do what?" look and I was also the >youngest guy (27) that year if not in all recent memory (I think). Most >of the instructors are "seasoned" riders. They allowed me to take the >IP and yes they even let me graduate. When they gave me the raised >eyebrow on the first day I said, "come on, most everybody does less >than 3K miles a year. By that measure I've been riding for 7 years." I've got a few thousand miles on dirt and street from the early 80s. Only about 1500 on the new bike since I got it at the end of September. I expect that to rise rapidly now that the weather is getting better, but it will be a few months before I figure I've got enough recent experience to think about passing myself off as an expert. :^) I'll hang onto the info and think about it for next year. Thanks for the answers! Maybe they will convince others to go for it sooner. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 14:27:01 2004 Subject: Riding today Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:30:52 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Got away at 1PM to do the Ballston to Shirlington circuit ( 66E to 110S to 395S and back again. Took that exit onto 395 fast and discovered that my previous problem was target fixation. Don't look where you DON'T want to go. Had a Honda Civic decide to attempt to occupy my place simultaneously in the time\space continuum that is 66 W on the return leg. Thanks to a covered brake\HORN and SIPDE this was not a problem. Maybe I will see some of you at the Leather Exchange Daytona party. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 14:30:57 2004 From: "Gary Keim" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: MD MSf Instructors Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:30:31 -0500 Have you tried this address? http://mva.state.md.us/MVAProg/MOTO/instructWanted.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 14:37:00 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 14:37:57 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Riding today At 02:30 PM 3/5/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >leg. Thanks to a covered brake\HORN and SIPDE this was not a problem. "SIPDE"? >Maybe I will see some of you at the Leather Exchange Daytona party. Could be! :^) There's a lot scheduled for a weekend that's supposed to be wet on Saturday... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 14:48:30 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:48:11 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Part time job To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > At 10:59 AM 3/5/04 -0800, matthew patton wrote: > > > >I had owned a motorcycle for all of 9 months (since passing my basic > >rider class the previous June?) and put 20k miles on it when I > signed up to teach. I meant to also include a "Thanks!" to Bob McKeithen (the gentleman who started the thread). Because he taught me how to ride, inspired me to want to teach, and sold me my first bike (albeit before I took the class out in WVa) - a cb750 with a nice 35K or so miles on it so he could buy his Guzzi. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 14:57:39 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:15:36 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Riding today On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 02:30 PM 3/5/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > > >leg. Thanks to a covered brake\HORN and SIPDE this was not a problem. > > "SIPDE"? IIRC, MSF acronym - Scan, Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute. I was out today and was nearly clobbered by some blue-hairs in a Malibu. If I hadn't been paying attention and prepared for the worst, it could have been ugly. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 15:22:03 2004 Subject: Harsh reality Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:25:54 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: -So I step outside with a friend and mentor from my day job. A jack of all trades from miner logger to coder for software firm. This guy has seen and done lots including building his own motorcycle at the age of 15. It had no brakes so he had to wear steel plates on his feet to stop. Getting him to talk about his bike experiences will have you reduced to tears, rolling on the floor. Today, after my lunch this is what he told me: "it is an odds game and it is only a matter of time before you go down. Whether it is at 5mph or 90mph. You are going to go down. I can only hope you have a gut of the sportbike and decide down the road to get a Harley cruiser." I replied that I would think about a cruiser (Yamaha or Kawasaki) if I made it to 60. He replied that the timeframe he had in mind was 6 months from now not 27 years. He commented that parents must really hate their 18 year old kids to let them drive a Kawasaki Ninja as their first bike. He commented that thus far, I have seen a great return in investment on the bike and it shows in my entire personality and demeanor at work how much I enjoy riding. This discussion got me thinking. Does anyone know if sportbike riders statistically get in more accidents then cruiser types? Is there a significant statistical difference in speed and type of accident? Anyway, my next investment will be a leather riding suit as I only wear denims for the lower body. A sobering discussion. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 15:22:09 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:21:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BMW @ Daytona Michael Jordan wrote: > > Demo rides in the infield - Yahoo! Take all your money and your fancy race bike and go back to playing basketball, you long-legged freak! Quit teasing us with your ability to enjoy Daytona in your lavish retirement. :) Wish I was there. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 15:33:31 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:51:28 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Harsh reality On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > This discussion got me thinking. Does anyone know if sportbike riders > statistically get in more accidents then cruiser types? Is there a > significant statistical difference in speed and type of accident? I don't think anyone tracks it, but the news has been reporting an increase in the incidents of accidents among the unexperienced cruiser-set. > Anyway, my next investment will be a leather riding suit as I only wear > denims for the lower body. A sobering discussion. Don't forget that a good textile suit can be more flexible than leathers, since you can wear it over clothing. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 15:34:10 2004 Subject: Relaxing on a Friday Evening Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:38:01 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: All, I now bartend every Friday night at Zucchabar- 1841 Columbia Road. This is in Adam's Morgan..two minutes from Asylum. Come in, say hello and I will buy you a drink. I guarantee a no-stress down to earth type of environment. Here are the details: Zucchabar )B­ Adams Morgan's Hottest New Neighbor! Tucked in Columbia Road)B¹s lower levels, Zucchabar is Adams Morgan¹s newest blip on the restaurant/bar radar screen. 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Sunday is 1/2 Price Steak Night (5pm-Close), Monday night is Industry Night, featuring 1/2 price food for all bar/restaurant employees, College Night is Thursdays, and Fridays bring guest bartenders. Come down and check out what Adams Morgan)B¹s newest and largest bar has to offer ­ come for a drink , stay for dinner, come for dinner and stay for the DJ, but just make sure you come. Zucchabar 1841 Columbia Rd. NW Washington, DC 20009 202-332-8642 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 15:36:10 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:35:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Harsh reality I read a lot of newspaper articles about crashes thanks to Google's news service (news updates keyword motorcycle). Based on the articles that appear in the press, the stats would be 60/40 cruisers/sportbikes. But that is far from statistical evidence. Most of those crashes involved alcohol on the part of the cruiser and speed on the part of the sportbiker. At 03:25 PM 3/5/2004, you wrote: >This discussion got me thinking. Does anyone know if sportbike riders >statistically get in more accidents then cruiser types? Is there a >significant statistical difference in speed and type of accident? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 15:41:13 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Riding today Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:41:06 -0500 Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > At 02:30 PM 3/5/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > >leg. Thanks to a covered brake\HORN and SIPDE this was not a problem. > > > > "SIPDE"? > > IIRC, MSF acronym - Scan, Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute. > > I was out today and was nearly clobbered by some blue-hairs in a Malibu. > If I hadn't been paying attention and prepared for the worst, it could > have been ugly. Speaking of ugly and Malibu I saw a new one this morning. I had my share of near clobbers this morning. It's fairly unusual for me to have close calls but there were two this morning alone... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 15:42:12 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:43:07 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Riding today At 03:15 PM 3/5/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >> At 02:30 PM 3/5/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >> >> >leg. Thanks to a covered brake\HORN and SIPDE this was not a problem. >> >> "SIPDE"? > >IIRC, MSF acronym - Scan, Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute. Thanks. I've been doing that for years, but never heard it described that way, or thought about it as separate steps like that. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 15:45:44 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:45:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Riding today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Thanks to a covered brake\HORN and SIPDE this was not a problem. > > > > "SIPDE"? > > IIRC, MSF acronym - Scan, Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute. This was the acronym under the RSS (Riding and Street Strategies). Now it's been changed to SEE - Search! Evaluate! Execute! Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 15:48:55 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:49:50 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Harsh reality At 03:51 PM 3/5/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >Don't forget that a good textile suit can be more flexible than leathers, >since you can wear it over clothing. Why can't you wear leather over clothing? I do it every time I ride in the cold, and on the upper body all the time I ride. Cloth is more flexible though...but that's not necessarily a Good Thing (tm) in a crash. It also abrades a lot faster and doesn't insulate against friction heating as well, or cushion impact much at all. There's a reason why leather has been so popular, for so long, among professional racers. About the only advantages I can think of for cloth is that it's often cheaper, lighter, cooler, and easier to roll up and store. It may also dry faster. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 15:55:12 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:13:07 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Harsh reality On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Why can't you wear leather over clothing? I do it every time I ride in the > cold, and on the upper body all the time I ride. But the only protective leather pants available are made to be worn by themselves, there aren't 1 piece leather suits (like he mentioned) available that can be worn over your street clothes. Several manufacturers, like Aerostitch, make 1 piece textile suits to be worn by themselves or over street clothes. > Cloth is more flexible though...but that's not necessarily a Good Thing > (tm) in a crash. It also abrades a lot faster and doesn't insulate against > friction heating as well, or cushion impact much at all. There's a reason > why leather has been so popular, for so long, among professional racers. Depends on the material. An Aerostitch is approved to be worn at track days, as it provides protection equivalent to a leather suit. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 16:01:04 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: Riding today - gramma & cell phone Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:50:44 -0500 On my way to work in DC today, a cage tried to cut in right beside me. Stared at the driver and saw a most dreadful sight... a little gramma, like the one on Wendy's "where's the beef" commercial (ahh, 80's...) on a big sedan with a freaking cell phone! Stay away from this gramma!! --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" To: Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: Riding today > > Got away at 1PM to do the Ballston to Shirlington circuit ( 66E to 110S > to 395S and back again. Took that exit onto 395 fast and discovered > that my previous problem was target fixation. Don't look where you DON'T > want to go. Had a Honda Civic decide to attempt to occupy my place > simultaneously in the time\space continuum that is 66 W on the return > leg. Thanks to a covered brake\HORN and SIPDE this was not a problem. > > Maybe I will see some of you at the Leather Exchange Daytona party. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 16:25:19 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding today Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 16:25:11 -0500 Woman in front of me by herself during HOV hours in the entrance lane for 66 E this morn. I hold up 2 fingers, drop 1, you guess which. Put my hand back on the bars to take the turn. Gunch comes to a complete stop, because there was a LEO on the ramp. Then procedes to make a U turn. Yes this is a one way entrance ramp. If my leg was a lot longer I woulda kicked the hell outa her car. > > > Got away at 1PM to do the Ballston to Shirlington circuit ( 66E to 110S > > to 395S and back again. Took that exit onto 395 fast and discovered > > that my previous problem was target fixation. Don't look where you DON'T > > want to go. Had a Honda Civic decide to attempt to occupy my place > > simultaneously in the time\space continuum that is 66 W on the return > > leg. Thanks to a covered brake\HORN and SIPDE this was not a problem. _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 19:22:49 2004 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Global travel woes Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:15:43 -0500 Just passing on for foreign travel planning (bike trips to Greece, etc.?)-- A lady friend just returned from an Olympic media setup trip to Athens. Not only did she have her backpack ripped off in broad daylight (Yes, passport plus plus) but said the attitude toward Americans was overtly sour (spitting, moving to other tables, disdainful asides of "Americans", etc.) She's putting it all back together, but this experience is decidedly unlike her previous 5+ Olympics. Sad, this happening in our civilization's roots. While ymmv, this reinforces other global caution flags we've probably all noted. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Labeled Asian, born USA, excursions: Domestic Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 20:14:46 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Mobacc'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Global travel woes Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:17:08 -0500 While possibly not specifically moto related, this is a good PSA for the well being of the people whom watch this list. In recent years, I've been lucky enough to travel to several different countries, continents and hemispheres. One thing that holds true throughout is that you never want to draw attention to yourself. Generally, Americans are proud people whom are not always looked upon by the rest of the world the same way that Americans look upon themselves. This means that you have to keep a low profile, your head down, and keep your wits about you. Much like scanning the approaching conditions on a bike, you need to keep your radar on at all times when out in public for shady people and questionable surroundings. The first step is to dress appropriately. Generally, I like to wear black Nikes, jeans in good condition, and black sweaters or T-shirts depending on the climate. Flashy clothes, Hawaiian shirts, Khaki shorts, and American symbolism will put a big ole target on your ass. This includes accessories like fanny packs, backpacks, purses, etc. BIG brand names across your shirt are a dead give-away, unless, of course, they are native. Talk softly and privately when you need to speak American (it's its own language) and make a concerted effort to learn the native language and use it whenever possible, errors and all. On my most recent trip to Argentina, there was a case in point. We'd been in country for 2 weeks before we met a couple in the hotel in Buenos Aires right before we were leaving. They had been there 1 day and the woman had her purse picked of wallet, passport, etc. To look at them on the streets of DC you wouldn't have thought anything of them. As soon as they stepped off the elevator in the hotel we started speaking to them in English; we could spot them right away. That's when we learned about their hardship. The rest of the world is a wonderful place. Just know how to carry yourself to enjoy it. As Bill says, YMMV. Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Mobacc [SMTP:mobacc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:16 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Global travel woes > > Just passing on for foreign travel planning (bike trips to Greece, > etc.?)-- > > A lady friend just returned from an Olympic media setup trip to Athens. > Not > only did she have her backpack ripped off in broad daylight (Yes, passport > plus plus) but said the attitude toward Americans was overtly sour > (spitting, moving to other tables, disdainful asides of "Americans", etc.) > She's putting it all back together, but this experience is decidedly > unlike > her previous 5+ Olympics. Sad, this happening in our civilization's > roots. > > While ymmv, this reinforces other global caution flags we've probably all > noted. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > Labeled Asian, born USA, excursions: Domestic > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 5 20:28:29 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:28:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Global travel woes At 07:15 PM 3/5/2004, Mobacc wrote: >A lady friend just returned from an Olympic media setup trip to Athens. Not >only did she have her backpack ripped off in broad daylight (Yes, passport >plus plus) but said the attitude toward Americans was overtly sour >(spitting, moving to other tables, disdainful asides of "Americans", etc.) We were in Athens summer '02 and they seemed to love Americans. Same response in Italy and Spain. Must be post war. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 00:42:47 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Global travel woes Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 00:41:37 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7913dce592778afd7954ad2fd7f356004d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > At 07:15 PM 3/5/2004, Mobacc wrote: > >A lady friend just returned from an Olympic media setup trip to Athens. Not > >only did she have her backpack ripped off in broad daylight (Yes, passport > >plus plus) but said the attitude toward Americans was overtly sour > >(spitting, moving to other tables, disdainful asides of "Americans", etc.) > > We were in Athens summer '02 and they seemed to love Americans. > Same response in Italy and Spain. Must be post war. [Dave] I was in Athens, and Crete in '91 and found the Greek people to be most hospitable and pleasant. Although, I will say that I was briefed on several items, including a faction of some group which had a particular axe to grind against America. Also, traffic in Athens and mainland Greece brought whole new meaning to the word 'courage'. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 02:18:07 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:17:57 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Global travel woes To: DC-Cycles --- Michael Lynch wrote: A lot of good sound observations and advice... As a counterpoint to the recent Greek experience, we just spent three and a half weeks in France in January, and encountered not a single unfriendly or hostile word. And we speak very little French -- but we try. > The first step is to dress appropriately. Generally, I like to wear black > Nikes, jeans in good condition, and black sweaters or T-shirts depending on > the climate. In our experience, jeans other than black identify you immediately as American. T-shirst are another no-no, unless you're under 21. >Flashy clothes, Hawaiian shirts, Khaki shorts, and American > symbolism will put a big ole target on your ass. Unless it's kitchy European American replica clothing, like my Dutch jacket that reads "Year Since League 1964," or my two favorite Dutch baseball caps: the "Cincinnati Deer" and the "Denver Instigators." 8;) > ... Talk softly and > privately when you need to speak American (it's its own language) and make a > concerted effort to learn the native language and use it whenever possible, > errors and all. Very good advice. In much of Europe, including France, they can't tell the difference between American and British English, and the Brits are widely despised. The ugly Brit has replaced the ugly American, for the most part. When people find out you are American, the smiles appear -- if you do your part and just try. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 03:12:38 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Subject: VFR Info needed Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 03:12:32 -0500 I need to know the test procedure/specs for a voltage regulator on a 93 VFR. Anybody got it handy? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 08:48:34 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:49:29 -0500 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Riding today At 04:25 PM 3/5/04 -0500, rich hall wrote: >Woman in front of me by herself during HOV hours in the entrance lane for 66 >E this morn. I hold up 2 fingers, drop 1, you guess which. Put my hand >back on the bars to take the turn. Gunch comes to a complete stop, because >there was a LEO on the ramp. Then procedes to make a U turn. Yes this is a >one way entrance ramp. If my leg was a lot longer I woulda kicked the hell >outa her car. I'd have used the horn, both to tell her what I thought, and to try to attract the attention of the LEO... :^) I rode out to White's Ferry last night after work. Stopped for dinner in Poolesville on the way back (just McD's). Got home a bit after dark, just as the wind gusts were starting to get bad. The temps were *great*! I'd almost forgotten what a warm wind felt like... Amazingly, I didn't have *anyone* try to kill me! Didn't even see as many moving violations as I usually do...and it was a full moon!! Weird, huh? :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 08:48:34 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:44:39 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Harsh reality At 04:13 PM 3/5/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Why can't you wear leather over clothing? I do it every time I ride in the >> cold, and on the upper body all the time I ride. > >But the only protective leather pants available are made to be worn by >themselves, there aren't 1 piece leather suits (like he mentioned) >available that can be worn over your street clothes. Don't know about 1 piece suits, but my leather pants are meant to be worn over clothes...or at least they work just fine that way and that's how I use them. You can even put them on over your riding boots...they open up all the way down the sides of both legs. Zippers from hip to lower calf, three snaps below that. They are leather everywhere except the back of the knees where they are elastic material to avoid bunching when you bend your legs. If you want to see them, try Battley's. Ask about the "competition pants". -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 09:39:49 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:39:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: VFR Info needed http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=reg+rec+testing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/6198/reg-rect.html If you need the owners manual, I have them in PDF. They don't cover RR testing. I took them off of my FTP site due to rampant sponging from some Italian list. At 03:12 AM 3/6/2004, you wrote: >I need to know the test procedure/specs for a voltage regulator on a 93 VFR. >Anybody got it handy? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 09:45:50 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:45:29 -0500 To: From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: VFR Info needed At 03:12 AM 3/6/2004 -0500, Thomas Jordan wrote: >I need to know the test procedure/specs for a voltage regulator on a 93 VFR. >Anybody got it handy? It is probably online in a couple places, STFN. I have the VFR service manual, covering that year, if you can't find it. I'd have to go STFHouse for it though, haven't used it in a while. Before worrying too too much about the RR unit, I would suggest cleaning all contacts, especially around the starter relay, which, at least on my 1992 VFR, is practically right below where the seat and the gas tank meet - perfect place for water to infiltrate. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 10:00:36 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:00:45 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: VFR Info needed Dan wrote: >Before worrying too too much about the RR unit... As I recall, the '93 VFR's use the same RR as my '93 CBR1000F - these RR's are notorious for going bad. (And they're expensive, and as a dealer-friend told me, usually not marked up very much...) I'm on my 3rd RR out of 40,000 miles. The second one didn't last very long, the latest (#3) has lasted quite a while...knock on wood! - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 12:16:59 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:20:36 -0500 Subject: Re: VFR Info needed To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" They run hot. Make sure the connectors are clean (or solder them) and consider hanging it out in the breeze (if you don't care about aesthetics) or adding a small fan. --garcia )B“How is it that the American government was 100 percent certain that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, but zero percent able to find them?)B” [Hans Blix, UN chief weapons inspector] Sean Jordan writes: >Dan wrote: >>Before worrying too too much about the RR unit... > >As I recall, the '93 VFR's use the same RR as my '93 CBR1000F - these >RR's >are notorious for going bad. (And they're expensive, and as a >dealer-friend >told me, usually not marked up very much...) > >I'm on my 3rd RR out of 40,000 miles. The second one didn't last very >long, >the latest (#3) has lasted quite a while...knock on wood! > >- Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 13:39:40 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 13:39:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: VFR Info needed At 09:00 AM 3/6/2004 -0600, Sean Jordan wrote: >Dan wrote: >>Before worrying too too much about the RR unit... > >As I recall, the '93 VFR's use the same RR as my '93 CBR1000F - these RR's >are notorious for going bad. (And they're expensive, and as a >dealer-friend told me, usually not marked up very much...) See Garcia's post - I recommended cleaning contacts Specifically because of the known issues of the RR being failure prone. Less cruddy contacts means the whole system should work better. You don't have to draw as much current through the RR, current which is then wasted heating the crud in the contacts, overall, IMO, leading to premature failure of the RR. >I'm on my 3rd RR out of 40,000 miles. The second one didn't last very >long, the latest (#3) has lasted quite a while...knock on wood! 1992 VFR 750 - ~44k on the clock, 1 reg, so far. >-- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 17:43:16 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Subject: RE: VFR Info needed Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:16:51 -0500 Not to sound unappreciative of the responses, but I know they run hot, and I know that the connections corrode. What I am looking for is the procedure to test the unit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 21:37:11 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Global travel woes Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:37:03 -0500 > The first step is to dress appropriately. Couldn't agree more - helmet, gloves, boots, and riding suit - either fabric of leather. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 21:42:56 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Headlight modulators and polite cagers Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:42:48 -0500 Just did about 790 miles back from Daytona today. Kisan modulator running all the way. My Fellow Motorists (with markedly few exceptions) would pull over and politely let me on by. I turned it off as dusk approached and I was passing through Richmond whereupon a cager propmtly pulled in front of me doing 10-15 less than I was. The modulator went back on. I love my modulator. It may annoy them (it may not), but they see me. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 21:51:11 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Harsh reality Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:51:03 -0500 > I replied that I would think about a cruiser (Yamaha or > Kawasaki) if I made it to 60. What happens at 60 that you know about that I don't? I'm only a year or so away, and don't find myself thinking about cruisers. Or does it happen suddenly? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 22:07:55 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:07:58 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Headlight modulators and polite cagers At 09:42 PM 3/6/2004, Michael Jordan wrote: >I turned it off as dusk approached and I was >passing through Richmond whereupon a cager propmtly pulled in front of me >doing 10-15 less than I was. > >The modulator went back on. Driving North on 95 from Southern states, I always notice the aggressive behavior starting Richmond North. Don't count on their behavior relating to your modulator being off. They still annoy the Hell out of me, and I wish they were banned. I am curious why only emergency vehicles (cars and trucks) can have modulators, but bikes are exempt? Glad you had a safe ride back. At least the weather is still warm up here to ease your transition. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 22:15:30 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:15:10 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harsh reality Michael Jordan wrote: > What happens at 60 that you know about that I don't? > > I'm only a year or so away, and don't find myself thinking about cruisers. I find myself thinking about cruisers from time to time. But it's more along the lines of "why? how much? why? what's the point?" than any real thoughts of getting one. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 22:35:07 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:34:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Julian Halton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harsh reality Julian Halton wrote: > Today, after my lunch this is what he told me: "it is an odds game and > it is only a matter of time before you go down. Whether it is at 5mph > or 90mph. You are going to go down. Yep, can't argue there. It will happen if you ride long enough. So dress for the crash (good helmet, boots, jacket, riding pants, gloves) and try real hard to make sure it's closer to 5mph than 90mph. I've had three get-offs (in 8 years/160,000 miles of riding), all in the neighborhood of 20 mph, all not amounting to any more than bumps & bruises to me, which I credit to wearing decent gear all the time. I cringe seeing these people out motorcycles once the weather gets nicer, shorts, t-shirts, sandals, and either $500 custom painted helmet, or a $5 shorty. Pretending that it can't happen doesn't mean it won't. I can fully imagine how badly road-rash sucks, without having to experience it firsthand. > Anyway, my next investment will be a leather riding suit as I only wear > denims for the lower body. A sobering discussion. Good for ya. Buy your friend there lunch sometime for the good advice. Ride safe, Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 22:40:46 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Daytona 200 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 22:09:18 -0500 Is Yates an ass or what? Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 23:10:14 2004 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:10:24 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Daytona 200 I have not seen the race yet, (someone taped it for me), but I have read all the race reports, interviews, etc... I think Yates should be banned from a few races, and given a hefty fine - $5,000 at the very least...after his stunt at VIR (laying on the track to get a red flag) and taking Eric Bostrom out last year with his shitty riding (still pissed about that), I think the AMA needs to send him a message. His on-track behavior is bad enough, but for him to go assaulting people that fell because of his recklessness...he needs to receive a proverbial drop kick and a head-butt. Yosh should give Yates's ride to someone that deserves it, like Mike Barnes or Lee Acree (Lee came in at 5th place - besides Eboz, the only other guy I was rooting for. Good job Lee!!!) - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 6 23:45:23 2004 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:45:14 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Daytona 200 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I had predicited that Mladin would win, then I doubted myself when I saw the Honda's take off. I should have had money on the race. Of course, if that were the case, then surely B. Bostrom's bike would have held up and I'd have been out of luck. I was surprised at how well some of the privateers did. It was also quite striking to see how different pit stops are for the factory guys versus the independents. Adam Reinhardt 89 Suzuki GS500 91 Suzuki GS500 92 Suzuki GS500 94 Suzuki GS500 89 Honda CBR600F 89 Honda PC800 77 Yamaha RD400 81 Yamaha YZ465 --- Sean Jordan wrote: > I have not seen the race yet, (someone taped it for > me), but I have read > all the race reports, interviews, etc... > > I think Yates should be banned from a few races, and > given a hefty fine - > $5,000 at the very least...after his stunt at VIR > (laying on the track to > get a red flag) and taking Eric Bostrom out last > year with his shitty > riding (still pissed about that), I think the AMA > needs to send him a > message. His on-track behavior is bad enough, but > for him to go assaulting > people that fell because of his recklessness...he > needs to receive a > proverbial drop kick and a head-butt. > > Yosh should give Yates's ride to someone that > deserves it, like Mike Barnes > or Lee Acree (Lee came in at 5th place - besides > Eboz, the only other guy I > was rooting for. Good job Lee!!!) > > - Sean Jordan > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 00:22:14 2004 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 00:19:23 -0500 To: "Michael Jordan" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Headlight modulators and polite cagers At 09:42 PM 3/6/04 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >I love my modulator. It may annoy them (it may not), but they see me. They probably think you're a cop... :^) -- Mike B. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 00:22:15 2004 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 00:23:26 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , Michael Jordan From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Harsh reality Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 10:15 PM 3/6/04 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >I find myself thinking about cruisers from time to time. But >it's more along the lines of "why? how much? why? what's the >point?" than any real thoughts of getting one. :) Why? Because they are perfect for a certain type of riding, same as sportbikes are perfect for another type, and full-dress tour bikes are good for yet another. Ditto for enduros and dirt bikes. How much? A lot, usually. -- Mike B. P.S. Why take the dangling bait? Nothing better to do at the moment. Oh yeah, sleep... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 08:49:20 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Thomas Jordan" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: VFR Info needed Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 08:49:15 -0500 Um...lemme guess....RTFM? ;-) It's in the Service Manual... p. 15-6 to be exact. Ask nicely and perhaps the relevant page could be sent to you. My typing fingers are awfully tired this morning. :) Better yet, buy one of your very own. ElectrexUSA has a charging system diagnostic flow chart. While not VFR-specific, it's useful at diagnosing the whole system. You didn't say what problems you were experiencing, but it pays to check the whole system, not just the R/R. http://www.electrexusa.com/electrex_fault_finding.html Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: RE: VFR Info needed > Not to sound unappreciative of the responses, but I know they run hot, and I > know that the connections corrode. What I am looking for is the procedure to > test the unit. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 10:39:28 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Headlight modulators and polite cagers Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:39:20 -0500 > I am curious why only emergency vehicles (cars and > trucks) can have modulators, but bikes are exempt? Actually, emergency vehicles have flashing lights, which are banned for all other vehicles. 'Tis a fine point between "modulating" and "flashing" (that being, modulating never shuts off, dims, but stays on - whereas flashing does), but one is legal and the other isn't. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 12:36:36 2004 From: "customtankbags" To: "Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org" Subject: RE: Headlight modulators and polite cagers Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:36:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.14.155.168] at Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:36:32 -0600 Let me reinforce that statement: I love my modulator, too. Yes, I think they think I'm a cop, but it really doesn't matter. They SEE me. Moving is just an added benefit. Back to packing and preparing to move to FL... LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 12:19 AM To: Michael Jordan; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Headlight modulators and polite cagers At 09:42 PM 3/6/04 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >I love my modulator. It may annoy them (it may not), but they see me. They probably think you're a cop... :^) -- Mike B. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 13:52:09 2004 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:51:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: 55 / Middleburg Just ran the Battlefield / Middleburg run via 55. Not too many cars or bikes out and the road surfaces are excellent. A few of the side roads (709) have extensive pothole patching, but its all relatively smooth. Great day for a ride. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 17:01:41 2004 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:02:04 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Gary Foreman CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gary Foreman wrote: >Is Yates an ass or what? > > >Gary > > > > > I was completely in shock when I saw the stunt that Yates pulled. Unbelievable. There is a huge debate going on right now on the WERA BBS as to whether or not Anthony should press assault charges against Yates. I have to say that if I were him, I definitely would. What Yates did is so childish and unsportsmanlike, I can't even believe it. I hope that the AMA suspends him for at least two races, and gives him a fine. If I were Suzuki, I would fire his ass for that stunt. That is such bad publicity for a team and a brand. Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 18:17:38 2004 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:17:19 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Adam Reinhardt CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > Adam Reinhardt > 89 Suzuki GS500 > 91 Suzuki GS500 > 92 Suzuki GS500 > 94 Suzuki GS500 Wow! I thought I was obsessive because I had 3 Connies (one of which doesn't even make the sig file since it's mostly a parts bike). So, got any opinions on the GS500, Adam? :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 19:33:49 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: VFR Info needed /re: Paul Wilson's response Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:33:43 -0500 While I do appreciate the suggestion, I know that reading the f'ing manual would give me all the information I need. I figured that by asking some fellow listers, I wouldn't have to buy the manual for one page of info that I need. Since I don't own a VFR, and was just trying to help out a friend, I can't justify spending the money. Quoted: Um...lemme guess....RTFM? ;-) ....Better yet, buy one of your very own. -Thomas Jordan Suzuki Bandit 400 (For which I have a f'ing manual) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 20:42:10 2004 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 17:42:00 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Daytona 200 To: Dale Horstman , Adam Reinhardt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > Adam Reinhardt > 89 Suzuki GS500 > 91 Suzuki GS500 > 92 Suzuki GS500 > 94 Suzuki GS500 ...and you've *still* got to draw two to fill the inside straight. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 21:22:44 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: laura@XXXXXX, lists@XXXXXX Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 21:10:45 -0500 For any of us that may be quite a bit farther away from Daytona than usual, what happened??? Rob '98 VFR800 From: Laura Roach To: Gary Foreman CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:02:04 -0500 Gary Foreman wrote: >Is Yates an ass or what? > > >Gary > > > > > I was completely in shock when I saw the stunt that Yates pulled. Unbelievable. There is a huge debate going on right now on the WERA BBS as to whether or not Anthony should press assault charges against Yates. I have to say that if I were him, I definitely would. What Yates did is so childish and unsportsmanlike, I can't even believe it. I hope that the AMA suspends him for at least two races, and gives him a fine. If I were Suzuki, I would fire his ass for that stunt. That is such bad publicity for a team and a brand. Laura _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 23:04:37 2004 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:04:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Daytona 200 http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/8130421.htm At 09:10 PM 3/7/2004, Rob Keiser wrote: >For any of us that may be quite a bit farther away from Daytona than >usual, what happened??? > >Rob >'98 VFR800 _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 23:25:09 2004 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:28:47 -0500 Subject: Re: VFR Info needed /re: Paul Wilson's response To: "Thomas Jordan" Cc: "'DC-CYCLES'" From: "garcia oliver" I believe that the very first reply (sorry, I don't recall whose) provided a link to r/r testing procedure for a CB650. While I can't guarantee it, I suspect that it's pretty much the same as the vfr. Have you looked at it and found that it doesn't apply? --garcia "It works in Theory. Unfortunately, I don't live in Theory." "Thomas Jordan" writes: >While I do appreciate the suggestion, I know that reading the f'ing manual >would give me all the information I need. I figured that by asking some >fellow listers, I wouldn't have to buy the manual for one page of info >that >I need. Since I don't own a VFR, and was just trying to help out a >friend, I >can't justify spending the money. > >Quoted: >Um...lemme guess....RTFM? ;-) >....Better yet, buy one of your very own. > >-Thomas Jordan >Suzuki Bandit 400 (For which I have a f'ing manual) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 7 23:39:37 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SV650-L@XXXXXX, SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Subject: SPAM: tank bag Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:39:25 -0500 Large strapped Nelson Rigg tank bag. 14" Long, 9" Wide, 7" Tall, expands to 11". Map pocket on top. Pockets on 3 sides. Handle on 4th side. Carrying strapp. Foam pad below to protect tank. 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In addition to great hospitality a warm welcome and some good conversations, I walked off with a brand spanking new Vanson Cobra jacket. Special thanks to Jay and Colleen for helping me with fit, sizing etc...It was good to meet everyone and was a nice afternoon. Sunday of course, the collar button on my brand new jacket breaks..but never fear once again Jay comes to the rescue and fixes it in no time. I got another ride out to Potomac this time on my bike and all I can say is what a wonderful ride and thanks again to Jay and Lisa for putting up with me Sunday as well. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 10:23:51 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Routemeister'" Subject: Ride with Routemeister & Harsh reality Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:29:20 -0500 Many of you missed a treat. David Routemeister Thompson showed me two roads in Maryland I didn't know and a mess of them in Virginia. Saturday's weather started out less-than-perfect then turned gorgeous. More important, we (or alt least I) had a ball. Paul Wilson, David, and I were a well suited trio. Fortunately, David was rusty from lack of riding over the winter or he coulda/woulda been long gone (or maybe he was being nice). One funny thing: Around Marshall, VA we pulled up behind a pickup at a stop sign. The driver (big guy) hopped out and started waving his arms and speaking excitedly to David. I thought "Holy shit", it's gonna take all three of us if it comes to fisticuffs. Turned out he was telling David of a road circuit that we just had to take. It was damn good advice too. Another road for the Routemeister's list. Interestingly, we three were all on Honda V-4's. David on a 91 St1100, Paul on a VFR, 'n I on Rocinito, my trusty 85 700 Sabre. Incidentally, the road spooge caked my Sabre so much, that I washed it on Sunday . Sunday's ride was not as spirited at first, but the weather was nicer. Five started: All but one on a Honda V-4: Rich on a ST1300, Tim on a Yellow (2002?) 'Ceptor, Michael (YIHAOOT :^) Bartman on his V-2 HD something, David on his ST, and I on "666", the 83 'Ceptor. In the twisties, while some of us did our best Duhamel impression, Bartman comfortably chugged along a few seconds behind. (Day-um, I thought "HD" meant Hardy Does-it :^) Lots of sweepers through Carroll County. During an "irrigation break", perusal of our maps showed a road none of us had been on. It was a winner*. Lotsa banked corners. We also learned that the Routemeister sometime makes stuff up as he goes along. We were working our way over to Route 77 to Thurmont when David ran past the connector* road but a few miles down he did turn on a fun road*. Over lunch, I mentioned him missing the connector but figgered he was aiming for the fun road. No, he smiled, he hadn't been over the fun road before but was making it up as he went along at that point. Lunch in Thurmont was excellent. The only excitement was 666 refused to turn over. No lights, checked the main fuse (O.K.). Battery voltage showed 1 volt. Catastrophic battery failure? Rich claimed he thought my driving lights were on. "Impossible!" I said, "they're on a relay hooked to an ignition-switched source (Power does come from the battery tho)". Rich insisted. So, I pulled the connectors to the lights. Battery voltage jumped to 4 volts (evidently the relay welded shut or something --even we coots can learn from the young'uns --Thanks guys -- you can push a bike faster than I can run.). Because it was getting late, we took 550 and 75 to 270. Great day, thanks to all. *No, I ain't gonna mention road names. Leave 'em to your imagination or a later ride. Harsh reality Michael Jordan replied to "I would think about a cruiser (Yamaha or Kawasaki) if I made it to 60." With " What happens at 60 that you know about that I don't? I'm only a year or so away, and don't find myself thinking about cruisers. Or does it happen suddenly?" The Good news is "nuttin happens". I'm 63 and the Routemeister a tad older. Neither of us owns a cruiser nor appears to want one. On SabMag, there's several past the five dozenth year. Two have V65 Magnas because that was their first motorcycle (helluva starter bike) but own ST's as their primary travelers. The rest have Sabres, 'Ceptors (including a VF 500 F "for his 3 year old grand son"), VFRs and a growing number of ST's. There is one guy (still in his late 50s) who owns a Magna because of pants length but only after owning -- and dropping -- a Sabre, a St1100, and a VF800F. On DCCycles, Bill Huson is >60 and still rides a HD cruiser -- even tours on it. But, I figger it's because he's a "slow learner" 8^D Julian Halton concluded, "Anyway, my next investment will be a leather riding suit as I only wear denims for the lower body." At a minimum, get a pair of Draggin' Jeans or those Brosh jeans/pants with armor look pretty good. FWIW, the March 2003 Rider had an article on pants for summer wear. Add motorcycle boots if you tend to do "spirited riding". The ankle protection is way better than with ordinary boots. Pick up a copy of WRMT and check the ads for open houses this spring. There are often many good deals at them. Also Battley's still has the size 42 Prexport dry riders for $99 (& the HD flamers =8^) Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 10:44:40 2004 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:44:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Ride with Routemeister & Harsh reality Cc: "'Routemeister'" I had a great time on Saturday, and I am very glad I didn't let the rain deter me. It was still raining pretty hard when I left the house. A very nice selection of roads. About an hour into the rain, the skies cleared and it became quite warm as we made our way past Mt. Weather and then down Leeds Manor Rd. It's rare that I go on a ride and my '95 is the newest of the lot. :) Maybe one of these days I bring out the Mini-ceptor. Only a couple more things to do to it before I'll feel comfortable venturing outside the Beltway for some back road riding. These Spring rides do bring out the road crud in spades. I made a beeline for hose, bucket, sponges and brushes as soon as I got home. Not that I'm obsessive about bike washing, as I think it still had mud on it from New England, from a ride last September. But I do have my limits, like when you can't read the Micron logo on the muffler. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F -----Original Message----- From: "Custer, Carl" Sent: Mar 8, 2004 10:29 AM To: 'DCCycles' Cc: 'Routemeister' Subject: Ride with Routemeister & Harsh reality Many of you missed a treat. David Routemeister Thompson showed me two roads in Maryland I didn't know and a mess of them in Virginia. Saturday's weather started out less-than-perfect then turned gorgeous. More important, we (or alt least I) had a ball. Paul Wilson, David, and I were a well suited trio. Fortunately, David was rusty from lack of riding over the winter or he coulda/woulda been long gone (or maybe he was being nice)........ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 10:47:15 2004 Subject: PS perfect Passenger Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:51:18 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Yesterday I gave in, kept a promise and took a friend of mine on a ride...She is 5'9, about 140 and let me tell you, I did not even notice she was on the bike. She sat way back, lightly touched my torso and was good to go. I took her up and down GW parkway and to the waterfront. Compared to the first three, this one's a winner. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 11:11:03 2004 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:10:41 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Yates Feedback To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX If anyone on the list would like to contact Yates' sponsors to let them know what you think, I've put up some information on CycleForums you can use (if you like): http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83536 Chris Weaver (aka FunkyJunk) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 11:11:09 2004 Subject: Armor to jacket Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:15:11 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Anyone here know how to secure Vanson back pad armor to the jacket. The pad was sideways after wearing once. At the top of the armor there is a velcro pad at each corner but I do not see anywhere to attach it to. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 11:21:27 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Yates Feedback Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:11:14 -0500 video clip of his crash; http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dan.vitale/video/fightclub.mpg yeah, he doesn't look good... bit of an a_hole attitude... --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: Yates Feedback > If anyone on the list would like to contact Yates' > sponsors to let them know what you think, I've put up > some information on CycleForums you can use (if you > like): > > http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83536 > > Chris Weaver (aka FunkyJunk) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 11:40:48 2004 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:40:40 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Yates Feedback To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX thanks for the video feed since my VCR ran out of tape. The accident is clearly Yates' fault which makes his post-conduct even more despicable. He should have been head-butting the tire wall. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 11:44:05 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:31:11 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Daytona 200 At 11:04 PM 3/7/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/8130421.htm "drop-kicked"??? Yates actually picked the guy up first?? Or does the writer just not know what a "drop-kick" is? I think the calls for the guy to be disciplined/fined for unsportsmanlike conduct are completely justified. The guy acted like an ass, and it needs to be pointed out very clearly, both for him, and for anyone who might think that that's an ok way to get attention. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 11:53:14 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:50:55 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ride with Routemeister & Harsh reality Cc: "'Routemeister'" At 10:29 AM 3/8/04 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >Sunday's ride was not as spirited at first, but the weather was nicer. Five >started: All but one on a Honda V-4: Rich on a ST1300, Tim on a Yellow >(2002?) 'Ceptor, Michael (YIHAOOT :^) Bartman on his V-2 HD something, David >on his ST, and I on "666", the 83 'Ceptor. In the twisties, while some of >us did our best Duhamel impression, Bartman comfortably chugged along a few >seconds behind. (Day-um, I thought "HD" meant Hardy Does-it :^) I figured you guys were either taking it easy on me, or just warming up the tires for the first hour. :^) I was a bit surprised that I managed to stay with you through that first twisty two-lane section...I'd put myself at the back so I wouldn't slow anyone down. When we got to that section of long sweeping curves though, I found that 20mph over the limit was about all I was willing to go for, and you all pulled way ahead (though I did note that you in particular hung back a little to give me at least a chance to see the end of the group :^), then that mini-van pulled out after you and I couldn't even catch up on the straight sections and lost sight of you for a while. Once it turned off, I gained again, and waiting for me at I-70 was nice of you all (not that I was *that* far behind by then :^). Unfortunately, I had to drop out and head home at that point (as I told David before we started out)...my boss sent me e-mail Saturday night, and work on Sunday was required. Sigh. Took I-70 to Frederick, then 355 south back to home. Sounds like you guys had fun! BTW - Evil Overlord Carl was there to say "Hi!" at the start, but he had work problems too and couldn't go with us even a little. I wonder if having to work a lot and riding Harleys goes together? >turn on a fun road*. Over lunch, I mentioned him missing the connector but >figgered he was aiming for the fun road. No, he smiled, he hadn't been over >the fun road before but was making it up as he went along at that point. So the "detour" into the Burger King in Damascus wasn't the only such incident? (I thought at first it was an early rest-stop too, so don't feel bad! :^) >Lunch in Thurmont was excellent. Where'd you eat? The Cozy Inn? Or is there someplace else there to eat? :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 12:08:17 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Ride with Routemeister & Harsh reality Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:13:50 -0500 Bartman Mused, BTW - Evil Overlord Carl was there to say "Hi!" at the start, but he had work problems too and couldn't go with us even a little. I wonder if having to work a lot and riding Harleys goes together? [Carl]: You all gotta pay for those HDs somehow :^D (My new bike is the '85) >Lunch in Thurmont was excellent. Where'd you eat? The Cozy Inn? Or is there someplace else there to eat? :^) Yup, Cozy Inn, but we stayed away from the "buffet" because nobody had heavy duty suspension. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 12:18:55 2004 Subject: RE: Ride with Routemeister & Harsh reality From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08 Mar 2004 12:15:20 -0500 On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 12:13, Custer, Carl wrote: > Bartman Mused, > BTW - Evil Overlord Carl was there to say "Hi!" at the start, but he had > work problems too and couldn't go with us even a little. I wonder if having > to work a lot and riding Harleys goes together? > > [Carl]: You all gotta pay for those HDs somehow :^D > (My new bike is the '85) > It's not the bikes, it's the accessories :-) I got to the 'n's on the server list. Still have 20 or so to go. I'll be working late tonight :-) It was a nice ride up and back, even with the lane-drifting, cigarette throwing boneheads on the road. I do like your bike though. Lots of character :-D Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 12:20:18 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:21:37 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Ride with Routemeister & Harsh reality At 12:13 PM 3/8/04 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >Bartman Mused, >BTW - Evil Overlord Carl was there to say "Hi!" at the start, but he had >work problems too and couldn't go with us even a little. I wonder if having >to work a lot and riding Harleys goes together? > >[Carl]: You all gotta pay for those HDs somehow :^D Very true. :^) >Where'd you eat? The Cozy Inn? Or is there someplace else there to eat? > >Yup, Cozy Inn, but we stayed away from the "buffet" because nobody had heavy >duty suspension. That is a problem with the place...don't want to turn the riders into metric "wide glides"! :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 12:21:27 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:21:34 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Chris Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yates Feedback Chris Weaver wrote: >If anyone on the list would like to contact Yates' >sponsors to let them know what you think, I've put up >some information on CycleForums you can use (if you >like): > >http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83536 > >Chris Weaver (aka FunkyJunk) > > > Thanks for posting that Chris. I definitely made use of it. :) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 12:29:44 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:29:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Ride with Routemeister & Harsh reality "Custer, Carl" wrote: > On DCCycles, Bill Huson is >60 and still rides a HD cruiser -- even tours on > it. But, I figger it's because he's a "slow learner" 8^D Carl, Thanks for the best belly laugh I've had in quite a while. :) We luv ya, Bill! Hork, quite amused -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 13:09:05 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:08:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Sleet in Reston On my way to lunch, big fat raindrops turned into snowflakes. Now it is lightly sleeting. FYI. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 13:10:54 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride with Routemeister & Harsh reality Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:59:17 -0500 You know, I've been wondering about that. I haven't seen any posts from Bill in a LONG time. I hope he's OK! Perry >From: Dale Horstman >To: "Custer, Carl" >CC: "'DCCycles'" >Subject: Re: Ride with Routemeister & Harsh reality >Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:29:28 -0500 > >"Custer, Carl" wrote: > > > On DCCycles, Bill Huson is >60 and still rides a HD cruiser -- even >tours on > > it. But, I figger it's because he's a "slow learner" 8^D > >Carl, > >Thanks for the best belly laugh I've had in quite a while. :) >We luv ya, Bill! > >Hork, quite amused > >-- >Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi >CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike > >The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play >Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org > _________________________________________________________________ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 13:40:41 2004 Subject: RE: Sleet in Reston Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:40:30 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Troutman" , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com No accumulation yet, and it's a pretty mixed bag, I ran into some light hail myself (Herndon). Seems to be mostly a cold rain. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:09 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sleet in Reston On my way to lunch, big fat raindrops turned into snowflakes. Now it is lightly sleeting. FYI. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 14:07:20 2004 Subject: Re: Sleet in Reston From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08 Mar 2004 14:03:52 -0500 On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 13:08, Troutman wrote: > On my way to lunch, big fat raindrops turned into snowflakes. Now it is > lightly sleeting. FYI. > In SW DC there's a spitting cold rain with a lovely wind (just did the meter walk). Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 14:21:18 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: Sleet in Reston - DC too Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:11:01 -0500 darn it, its sleeting in NW DC too... hope it'll clear up by the time I go home on a bike... --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Sleet in Reston > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 13:08, Troutman wrote: > > On my way to lunch, big fat raindrops turned into snowflakes. Now it is > > lightly sleeting. FYI. > > > > In SW DC there's a spitting cold rain with a lovely wind (just did the > meter walk). > > Carl > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 14:43:04 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:44:31 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sleet in Reston At 01:08 PM 3/8/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >On my way to lunch, big fat raindrops turned into snowflakes. Now it is >lightly sleeting. FYI. Got that, and wind, this morning. Now it's calm and sunny...what's next? Frogs? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 17:21:46 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:22:00 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Hey Patton Was that your letter offering translation services for Roadracing World? - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 20:59:02 2004 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:58:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tahmena Rauf Subject: GS500 needs to get back on road To: DC Cycles Hi, I've seen someone in the discussion thread with a signature listing all his GS500s...hopefully he'll have some advice for me, if not, I'm grateful for any/all responses. My 2000 GS500 has been sitting for 1 year (I know, I know...), started up a few times, went around the block once, went to put air in the tires once, but generally, it's been outside one year, with a cover. Gas tank wasn't "prepped" for storage ie that octane prepper. Hasn't been on a real ride in one year. I have taken the battery out though for winter though. I'm going to take it in for service at Coleman POWERsport near seven corners and want to make sure I don't get ripped off. What type of work should I expect them to recommend, and what type of estimate on that work should I expect? They haven't ripped me off in the past, but then again, never needed full service on it. Just want to have all the info I can before I start spending money. Also my regular driving license expires in 3 months and I'm up to take all written tests again, i.e. regular written test plus motorcycle. What's my best chance of getting a booklet to study with if I can't find my one from the safety course in the back of my closet somewhere? meaning which DMV has the best chance of having booklets and when is the best time of month to try to get one? Thanks. Tahmena '00 GS500 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 21:14:13 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:15:36 -0500 To: Tahmena Rauf , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: GS500 needs to get back on road At 05:58 PM 3/8/04 -0800, Tahmena Rauf wrote: >My 2000 GS500 has been sitting for 1 year (I know, I >know...), started up a few times, went around the >block once, went to put air in the tires once, but >generally, it's been outside one year, with a cover. >Gas tank wasn't "prepped" for storage ie that octane >prepper. Hasn't been on a real ride in one year. I >have taken the battery out though for winter though. > >I'm going to take it in for service at Coleman >POWERsport near seven corners and want to make sure I >don't get ripped off. What type of work should I >expect them to recommend, and what type of estimate on >that work should I expect? I have no idea what the cost will be there in dollars, but I'd expect them to recommend an oil change, chain lube, drain the gas tank and clean the carbs, and general inspection, then do a test and see if anything else is needed. Maybe a new battery too. Cost is probably going to be close to whatever they charge for a major maintenance visit, plus whatever parts need replacing (like the battery maybe). If it was me, I'd change the oil myself (and look at it to see if there's water in it), and lube the chain, fill the tires, and make sure the battery is at the right voltage. Then, assuming no water in the oil, I'd probably try starting it to see if the carbs are really gummed up...but I don't know how wise that might be. That's for the more experienced mechanic types to comment on...and I'll be reading the responses too. :^) If there's water in the oil...a lot of water...I'd assume internal rust and let a professional tell me what I should do about it. If not much, or none, I'd try starting it. Bouncing on the bike would tell you if the shocks are having problems...and taking a close look at the whole bike looking for corrosion, leaks, missing parts, disconnected wires, etc. isn't a bad idea either. Mice, kids and other vermin can do a number on a bike that's left for a long time. Chewed wires, nests in the air intake, etc. aren't unheard of. >Also my regular driving license expires in 3 months >and I'm up to take all written tests again, i.e. >regular written test plus motorcycle. What's my best Where are you, or what have you done, that you have to take the written test again? Every renewal that I've done has involved forking over cash and filling out forms, taking a quick eye test, and having my picture taken. That's it. I haven't had a written test since I got the moto endorsement added back in the early 80s. >closet somewhere? meaning which DMV has the best >chance of having booklets and when is the best time of >month to try to get one? That probably depends where in the world you are located. Since you say "DMV", rather than "MVA" I assume you aren't in Maryland where I am. You might try calling the DMV and asking, or check their web site. They may even have it on-line. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 22:04:57 2004 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:04:50 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: GS500 needs to get back on road To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I'm going to take it in for service at Coleman > POWERsport near seven corners and want to make sure I No! NYET!! NEVER!! Take it to Crossroad Cycles there at Bailey's crossroads (isn't that the same as Seven Corners?) instead. Pay them whatever they say. > have all the info I can before I start spending money. A single penny spent at Coleman's is 1 penny too much. Crossroad's deserves your business. To answer the rest of the questions: 1) just drain the oil and change the filter. 2) replace brake fluid 3) put your own air into the tires obviously. (only "summer air" mind you. *grin*) 4) Lube your own chain 5) adjust your own chain 6) if the battery hasn't been on a charger then definately get a trickle charger and charge it and also check to see if the cells need water (probably). 7) drain the carbs using the drain screws. this 2 minute exercise should have been done a year ago and would have saved you considerable angst. 8) check to make sure air-box is clear of mice and spiders and filter in reasonable shape 9) dump a whole container of carb cleaner into the gas tank and fill it up with fresh gas. If you're lucky that'll be sufficient to get the gunk taken care of. If not, prepare yourself for a carb tear-down. I presume since you wanted to take it to a shop you don't have tools, aren't inclined to do it yourself, or don't have space/time to deal with it. Some listers have facilities and/or tools and might be able to work with you on it. '89 gs500e (race) '92 gs500e (lister crashed, sold, bought, resold twice after I rebuilt) '94 gs500e (rebuilt and sold to lister) 'xx gs500e (consultant to lister's bike) ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 22:13:19 2004 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:12:51 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Hey Patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Was that your letter offering translation services for Roadracing > World? yeah I was hot that month: first MCN and now RRW. heh. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 22:28:13 2004 From: "David Thompson" To: Subject: Ride with the Routemeister re-cap Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:28:05 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine You've got to love it when you wake up to rain spattering on the window, the TV is forecasting 80% chance of continued rain, but you suit up anyway and head to the rendezvous in hopes that someone else is as demented from PMS and will actually come ride with you. Then the rain stops, a couple of hardy souls show up and an hour later the roads are actually dry enough to power through the turns. Then the SUN SHINES! Saturday's ride with Paul Wilson & Carl Custer was a blast! - made even more memorable by the kindness of a stranger who insisted that we ride a road that didn't look like much at the start, but soon turned into 5 miles of continuous roller coaster twisties that I'll remember for a long time. Sunday's ride in Maryland was a little more laid back, due in part to my inability to follow my own route! However, the sun was out and the the temperature blew right past the forecasted 48F high into the mid 50's. Our luck continued when we found some sweet sweepers after I missed a turn on our way to Cozy's in Thurmont. Carl Custer had a mysterious problem - a battery that appeared to have gone completely flat in an hour while we ate lunch. Fortunately, Rich spotted a pink glow in one driving light and after ripping out a couple of wires, the battery showed at least some voltage and started right up on a push start. There was more route to ride, but I was content to return to Gaithersburg and pack up for the trip home on Monday morning. Wouldn't you know it! We left Gaithersburg and drove into a blizzard on I-270 that didn't let up until we headed north on US 15. I'm home, there's fresh snow on the ground and I don't care, 'cause PMS is just memory now. Thanks, you guys, for showing up to ride with an old phart for a couple of days. Maybe I'll see some of you at COTU. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 8 23:18:38 2004 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:18:29 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: GS500 needs to get back on road To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: matthew patton --- matthew patton wrote: > > I'm going to take it in for service at Coleman > > POWERsport near seven corners and want to make sure I > > No! NYET!! NEVER!! Take it to Crossroad Cycles there at Bailey's > crossroads (isn't that the same as Seven Corners?) instead. Pay them > whatever they say.... A single penny spent at Coleman's is 1 penny > too much. Crossroad's deserves your business. Believe it or not, Matt, some people have had excellent service experiences at Coleman's. Now sales might be another matter... And as to Crossroads, want to come over and see my 1984 VF500F that they turned from pristine into rust and dirt central by storing it outside, and then returned to me after they stole parts off it? They dropped it off in my driveway with a completely nude right handlebar, and the brake and throttle cables dangling -- no lever, no brake reservoir, no apology, no explanation, no nothing. The lawsuit is about to be filed. I've never heard anyone allege that Coleman was *that* crooked. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 9 03:13:02 2004 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 03:12:42 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GS500 needs to get back on road Tahmena Rauf wrote: >> What type of work should I >> expect them to recommend, and what type of estimate on >> that work should I expect? Um ... silly question, but since no one asked ... what's wrong with it? Doesn't start? Doesn't run? Vehicles can sit all by themselves for quite a while and not need a thing other than a bath and some air in the tires. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 9 08:16:26 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 05:16:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Armor to jacket To: Julian Halton , DCCycles there should be a corresponding velcro attachment point inside the liner of the jacket --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Anyone here know how to secure Vanson back pad armor to > the jacket. The > pad was sideways after wearing once. At the top of the > armor there is a > velcro pad at each corner but I do not see anywhere to > attach it to. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 9 15:40:35 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:40:22 -0500 From: corey Reply-To: corey To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: wanted: drag bars X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - victory.vs4dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - egoinc.org i'm interested in getting a more aggressive position out of my gs, but don't want to drop the $150 on a set of suburban machinery bars. does anyone have an old drag bar they'd be willing to part with on the cheap? thanks! ___________________________________________ corey www.egoinc.org www.blanksky.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 9 16:07:11 2004 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:06:54 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Just occured to me.... X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 did I ever post the story of my Uncle's grandfathers cross-country trip anywhere? I know I put up the pics and sent a link but, I can't remember if I sent the document to anyone to post. I don't see it on the dccycles.com website and I think someone offered to post it there. Will the guilty party please step forward? :-) I can e-mail it to whoever wants it. It is a 30k WordPerfect file. If you wanna take a look at my pics, go to webshots.com and do a member lookup for scooterfzr. That's where I post all the pics I want to share. Don't have the direct link to the trip pictures handy. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 9 22:22:14 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:22:07 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Yates fined, suspended one race, and addl fines from Yosh. 'zuki To: DC Cycles Cc: Alan Bushnell AARON YATES SUSPENDED BY AMA PRO RACING PICKERINGTON, Ohio (March 9, 2004) -- Yoshimura Suzuki rider Aaron Yates has been suspended for one race meet and fined $5,000 by AMA Pro Racing for his actions following an on-track incident with KWS Racing's Anthony Fania during the Daytona 200 by Arai on Saturday, March 6..... http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=8682 AMERICAN SUZUKI FINES YATES American Suzuki Motor Corporation (ASMC) today announced that Team Yoshimura Suzuki factory rider Aaron Yates will be sanctioned for his actions at the season-opening round of the AMA/Chevy Trucks Superbike Championship Series in Daytona Beach, Fla., on Saturday, March 6, 2004.....His personal conduct has resulted in ASMC levying a $25,000 fine against Yates. http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=8679 YATES ISSUES APOLOGY (sort of...well..more like an explanation - via email) ......I'm just so sorry that the whole incident ever happened. And I'm sorry if my actions offended or disappointed anyone. http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=8677 ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 09:42:17 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:42:04 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Fwd: AARON YATES SUSPENDED BY AMA PRO RACING To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX AMA responds. As usual, they prove that they're interested more in protecting their stars than levying punishments that really hurt. At least Suzuki fined him $25k. Chris Weaver --- AMA Pro Information wrote: > Subject: AARON YATES SUSPENDED BY AMA PRO RACING > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:49:00 -0500 > From: "AMA Pro Information" > > > AMA Pro Racing thanks you for your comments. > Following is a statement > released by AMA Pro Racing: > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > Contact: Connie Fleming at 614-856-1900 (Ohio) > > Contact: Kerry Graeber at 818-245-1201 (Calif.) > > R04028 > > AARON YATES SUSPENDED BY AMA PRO RACING > > PICKERINGTON, Ohio (March 9, 2004) -- Yoshimura > Suzuki rider Aaron Yates > has been suspended for one race meet and fined > $5,000 by AMA Pro Racing > for his actions following an on-track incident with > KWS Racing's Anthony > Fania during the Daytona 200 by Arai on Saturday, > March 6. > > In announcing the penalty, AMA Pro Racing Road Race > Manager, Ron Barrick > stated that Yates' behavior after the two collided > was completely > unacceptable. "After carefully reviewing the tapes > and interviewing the > corner workers and both Mr. Yates and Mr. Fania, we > have concluded that > the contact that resulted in both riders crashing > was an unfortunate > racing incident with neither rider specifically at > fault," said Barrick. > "However, Yates' actions after the crash are the > reason we are issuing > the fine and suspension." > > TV video tape, interviews with the riders and > interviews with corner > workers confirmed that Yates kicked and head-butted > Fania immediately > after the crash. While it was impossible to discern > what each rider said > during the exchange, it was apparent that Fania was > attempting to walk > away from the altercation. > > Barrick confirmed that Yates' AMA license is > suspended for a period of > one AMA Superbike race meet; specifically the > California Speedway event > scheduled for April 2-4, 2004 in Fontana, > California. Yates will not be > permitted to compete in any of the races that make > up that race meet. > Barrick also stated that the $5,000 fine could be > reduced by 50% if > Yates enters an anger management treatment program, > approved by AMA Pro > Racing, prior to returning to competition. > > "Physically assaulting a fellow competitor cannot be > tolerated under any > circumstance," said Barrick. "This penalty should > indicate how seriously > we are taking this matter." > > Barrick also noted that AMA Pro Racing continues to > investigate the > circumstances surrounding the actions of each > rider's crew members > following the incident. > > For immediate post-race results, points, live > transponder scoring, > in-depth series and rider information, regular > columnists and much more, > log onto www.USSuperbike.com, the official website > of the AMA Chevrolet > Superbike Championship. > > About AMA Pro Racing > > AMA Pro Racing is the leading sanctioning body for > motorcycle sport in > the United States. Its properties include the AMA > Supercross Series, the > AMA Chevrolet Motocross Championship, the AMA > Chevrolet Superbike > Championship, the AMA Progressive Insurance Flat > Track Championship and > the AMA Red Bull Supermoto Championship. For more > information about AMA > Pro Racing, visit www.amaproracing.com. > > -30- > > AMA Pro Racing > 13515 Yarmouth Drive > Pickerington OH 43147 > www.amaproracing.com > proinfo@XXXXXX __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 09:47:18 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:47:07 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Snow? Typical. Add it to my litany of woes today. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 10:03:06 2004 Subject: RE: Snow? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:02:26 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com The weather forecaster on Channel 8 said that there would be no accumulation because the ground was too warm. However, I found out that it sticks to visors just fine, as well as being just the right consistency to zip right though my helmet vents, and stick to my glasses inside... ;-/ -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:47 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Snow? Typical. Add it to my litany of woes today. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 10:06:35 2004 Subject: Re: Snow? From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 10 Mar 2004 10:03:10 -0500 On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 09:47, Fish Flowers wrote: > Typical. > It was actually a bit cool. There were a couple of other riders including a young lady on an old Honda behind me just before Independance and the guy on the Ninja that parks next to me at the lot. I'm sure they were surprised and I know the guy on the Ninja was since he said so as we chatted. > Add it to my litany of woes today. > Tell us your woes. It's gotta be better than dead air ;-) > Fish. > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 10:16:23 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:16:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snow? Oh, so that's what that white flaky stuff is? I was merely ornamental for my ride this morning. I actually broke out the electrics for the ride today. I fear we're regressing a bit back into winter. I'm ratbikeless at the moment, since we're out of the winter salt slop season, or so I thought. I sold the VF last night. I'll be in the hunt for another commuter bike soon. Thinking of something along the lines of a mid-size dual sport that would also be fun to take to the mountains. Paul in DC 95 VFR -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 09:47, Fish Flowers wrote: > Typical. > It was actually a bit cool. There were a couple of other riders including a young lady on an old Honda behind me just before Independance and the guy on the Ninja that parks next to me at the lot. I'm sure they were surprised and I know the guy on the Ninja was since he said so as we chatted. > Add it to my litany of woes today. > Tell us your woes. It's gotta be better than dead air ;-) > Fish. > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 10:26:57 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:26:48 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Snow? On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > It was actually a bit cool. There were a couple of other riders > including a young lady on an old Honda behind me just before > Independance and the guy on the Ninja that parks next to me at the lot. I actually spent a bit of time playing lane-tag with a guy on an ST1100 on MD-210, then saw a whole slew of riders coming up the 395 HOV lanes. This was before the snow, though. > Tell us your woes. It's gotta be better than dead air ;-) Eh; they go on and on, but I'm sure they're only really interesting to me. Short version: Smashed clutch hand with hammer yesterday, two hours of traffic jam today with hurting hand and hangover, got to work only to realize my license is AWOL. Not looking forward to quality time in MVA. Fish. *hearts* the mva From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 10:37:28 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:36:52 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: AARON YATES SUSPENDED BY AMA PRO RACING Chris Weaver wrote: >AMA responds. As usual, they prove that they're >interested more in protecting their stars than levying >punishments that really hurt. At least Suzuki fined >him $25k. > >Chris Weaver > > > > His behavior was unacceptable, but a DNF and DNR probably puts him out of the championship race doesn't it? Is $25k enough? I know AMA "stars" don't make lots of cash, but still... Hopefully he'll learn from this. Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 11:26:20 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:26:39 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Fwd: AARON YATES SUSPENDED BY AMA PRO RACING At 09:36 AM 3/10/2004, you wrote: >His behavior was unacceptable, but a DNF and DNR probably puts him out of >the championship race doesn't it? Probably - which is fine with me. He took Eric Bostrom out of the championship last year - still pissed about that. > Is $25k enough? I know AMA "stars" don't make lots of cash, but still... > Hopefully he'll learn from this. Yates is prolly good for $500k a year - $25,000 is no small change, but I'm sure he'll be all right. - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 13:28:46 2004 From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: AARON YATES SUSPENDED BY AMA PRO RACING Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:28:57 -0500 > His behavior was unacceptable, but a DNF and DNR probably puts him out I don't think so. Mat Mladin DNF 1 or 2 races last year didn't he? I know he DNF at Road Atlanta when his rear tire exploded. Didn't he also have tire issues at Daytona and didn't finish? I can see why Yates is pissed, but that doesn't justify his actions. han From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 13:34:34 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:33:58 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: AARON YATES SUSPENDED BY AMA PRO RACING Han Park wrote: >>His behavior was unacceptable, but a DNF and DNR probably puts him out >> >> > >I don't think so. Mat Mladin DNF 1 or 2 races last year didn't he? > Yeah, but thats Mladin... Yates is good but... he's no Mladin :) Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 15:10:05 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:06:26 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Han Park CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: AARON YATES SUSPENDED BY AMA PRO RACING Han Park wrote: >>His behavior was unacceptable, but a DNF and DNR probably puts him out >>I don't think so. Mat Mladin DNF 1 or 2 races last year didn't he? I know >>he DNF at Road Atlanta when his rear tire exploded. Didn't he also have >>tire issues at Daytona and didn't finish? I can see why Yates is pissed, >>but that doesn't justify his actions. >> >>han >> >> Actually, it pretty much does. He got no points for the Daytona round, and then he's suspended for a weekend, which is a double weekend, so he'll have three sets of zero points...pretty much screws him for the year. :) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 15:34:20 2004 Subject: Robot motorcycle Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:26:02 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/TechTV/robobike_darpa_techtv_040310.html I'm sure you've all been following this, but some info on the robot motorcycle being prepped for the desert race this weekend. By the way, the lead biologist watching for desert tortoises wandering onto the course is my little brother. He rides a Road King, FWIW... Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 15:49:14 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:48:52 -0500 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: how to convince a newbie so I've got this friend that was drooling over my V65 magna, and really wanted to get his first bike. I tlked to him quite a lot about what a good first bike would be. he ended up getting a katana, not sure of the cc's, but I'm relatively confident that it's too many for a first bike. He got no formal training on riding. We were talking today about a ride he had taken this past weekend, out 211 to WVa and back, and how much fun it had been. i mentioned that there's a guy on another list that does a "circles day", and he might want to come out. he took umbrage with me, saying that he already knew how to ride. i tried to convince his that being a newbie on a sprotbike put him in a very high fatality group. He felt that I was "stereotyping" him. i explained that I knew he wasn't out trying to drag a kneww, pulling wheelies and doing stoppies, but that I was concerned for him, as his lack of experience could easily get him into a situation that he might not have the skills to get out of, and that soem practice certainly couldn't hurt. I'm worried about this guy. yes, he's riding conservatively now, but I've got the feeling that he is going to get cocky, and cocky kills. he's still resistant to the idea of being taught, so i left off with "Ride your own ride ... after all, it's your ass. i'm just trying to give you the benefit of my experience." does anyone have any advice on how they've been able to convince an unscared newbie that they may not know all they really need to know? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 16:15:53 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:15:32 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: how to convince a newbie (Circles announcement) To: Skip , DC Cycles We'll do circles on Sunday March 21 at the commuter parking lot at Exit 158 off I-95 in Woodbridge, VA from 2PM to 5PM. Circles is a different way to spend an afternoon riding. It isn't just for newbies, it isn't just for the experienced riders. In fact, the newbies are unlikely to be able to ride the circles. He can take that as a challenge. If he already knows how to ride, then riding circles in a parking lot should be easy. I suspect his answer is that riding tight circles isn't a 'real' motorcycling skill. If that's the case, then Colin Fagan wouldn't still hold the record for doing the circles the fastest at 25 seconds and change. Dale Horstman can ride the circles on his Concours (and at a rather respectable time) I've ridden them on a moped, Ninja 250, ZX6 and Honda Goldwing 1500. If your buddy really is able to ride, then he ought to be able to beat either Dale on the Concours or my 11 yr old daughter on her new bicycle. If he can't ride that course faster than either of those two (they cover pretty much the entire spectrum of rider and bike sizes) Then I submit that perhaps there is still room for riding improvement. I sure hope Dale can show up, now that I've volunteered him for a riding challenge. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 rider. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 16:18:53 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Skip'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: how to convince a newbie Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:18:44 -0500 I agree he needs practice when I got my first bike (katana 750) it scared me a couple of times. My father-n-law took me to a big empty parking lot and we went over the basics until I was comfortable enough to ride out in traffic. I still go to that same parking lot and "practice" especially in the beginning of the season. I hope he realizes that it is a gradual thing and yes even if he knows how to ride he might be alittle rusty and need to sharpen his skills. -----Original Message----- From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:49 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: how to convince a newbie so I've got this friend that was drooling over my V65 magna, and really wanted to get his first bike. I tlked to him quite a lot about what a good first bike would be. he ended up getting a katana, not sure of the cc's, but I'm relatively confident that it's too many for a first bike. He got no formal training on riding. We were talking today about a ride he had taken this past weekend, out 211 to WVa and back, and how much fun it had been. i mentioned that there's a guy on another list that does a "circles day", and he might want to come out. he took umbrage with me, saying that he already knew how to ride. i tried to convince his that being a newbie on a sprotbike put him in a very high fatality group. He felt that I was "stereotyping" him. i explained that I knew he wasn't out trying to drag a kneww, pulling wheelies and doing stoppies, but that I was concerned for him, as his lack of experience could easily get him into a situation that he might not have the skills to get out of, and that soem practice certainly couldn't hurt. I'm worried about this guy. yes, he's riding conservatively now, but I've got the feeling that he is going to get cocky, and cocky kills. he's still resistant to the idea of being taught, so i left off with "Ride your own ride ... after all, it's your ass. i'm just trying to give you the benefit of my experience." does anyone have any advice on how they've been able to convince an unscared newbie that they may not know all they really need to know? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 16:20:39 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:20:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: how to convince a newbie At 03:48 PM 3/10/2004, you wrote: >so I've got this friend that was drooling over my V65 >magna, and really wanted >to get his first bike. I tlked to him quite a lot about >what a good first bike >would be. he ended up getting a katana, not sure of the >cc's, but I'm >relatively confident that it's too many for a first bike. >He got no formal training on riding. > We were talking today about a ride he had taken this > past weekend, out 211 to >WVa and back, and how much fun it had been. i mentioned >that there's a guy on >another list that does a "circles day", and he might want >to come out. he took >umbrage with me, saying that he already knew how to >ride. i tried to convince >his that being a newbie on a sprotbike put him in a very >high fatality group. >He felt that I was "stereotyping" him. i explained that I >knew he wasn't out >trying to drag a kneww, pulling wheelies and doing >stoppies, but that I was >concerned for him, as his lack of experience could easily >get him into a >situation that he might not have the skills to get out of, >and that soem >practice certainly couldn't hurt. > >I'm worried about this guy. yes, he's riding >conservatively now, but I've got >the feeling that he is going to get cocky, and cocky >kills. he's still >resistant to the idea of being taught, so i left off with >"Ride your own ride >... after all, it's your ass. i'm just trying to give >you the benefit of my >experience." > >does anyone have any advice on how they've been able to >convince an unscared >newbie that they may not know all they really need to >know? > >--skip Skip, Tell him to take the MSF class, not to "learn" how to ride a bike but to hone his skills in accident avoidance. Liken it to learning how to fight. The MSF class teaches him how to take a punch and come out on top. The end result, (of course), is that he'll find out just how little he actually knows. He'll thank you later for it. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 16:24:25 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: how to convince a newbie Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:07:38 -0500 > I mentioned that there's a guy on another list that > does a "circles day", and he might want to come out. he took > umbrage with me, saying that he already knew how to ride. I thought that I did too, after 40 or so years of riding. Leon's Circles are HARD. This isn't about going slow - it's about going as fast as you can, but on a VERY tight course. Nasty Embarassing Michael J. ...(Fun, too) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 16:28:09 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:26:10 -0500 To: Skip , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: how to convince a newbie At 03:48 PM 3/10/04 -0500, Skip wrote: >I'm worried about this guy. yes, he's riding conservatively now, but I've got >the feeling that he is going to get cocky, and cocky kills. Since he's refusing training and won't agree that he could use it (who couldn't?) I'd say he's already cocky. >does anyone have any advice on how they've been able to convince an unscared >newbie that they may not know all they really need to know? Short of taking him out someplace *relatively* safe and getting him to push hard enough to crash? No, not really. Maybe something like a ride that goes to a big empty lot, then you play "follow the leader" as you do circles, U-turns in small spaces, panic stops, etc.. The space markings work well for this sort of thing. A U-turn in three adjacent spaces, without going outside of them. Assume cones along the "backbone" where two rows come together, with a cone every other "+". Run up to X MPH, then, when you hit a given space, stop as quickly as possible, and see who travels the fewest number of spaces. Do the same, but try to end up with your front tire contact point exactly on a given line. Use manholes, or whatever other thigns are handy to lay out a figure-8 and ride it both ways. Maybe time it for N number of laps and see who's quicker. Besides being good practice, maybe the competition will get him to exceed his ability and he'll drop it...at relatively low speed where there's no traffic and there is a friend to help him pick it up. The above stuff, minus the competition (and dropping it), is how I initially learned to ride well enough to pass the MVA test, and it's how I got used to my new bike's handling at low speeds. It's also kinda fun. ;^) Or perhaps you could convince him that he's ready for a track day? Maybe getting him on a track, and letting him see how others are riding, will show him that maybe there're still things he could be taught? Even better if he tries to match them without the training? :^) Since I've never done track riding, the above suggestion is based on hearsay and logic, not experience. If someone with experience disagrees, listen to them, not me! :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 16:49:39 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:46:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Skip , DC Cycles Subject: Re: how to convince a newbie Some good advice already, but I'll try to add a bit more. Too often it seems that experienced riders tell newbies to "get some training" or "do some parking lot drills" but it comes off a bit schoolmarmy and bruises the ego easily. Kind of like eating your vegetables as a kid. You know you should, you know they're good for you, but a part of you rebels, because of the way they're presented by the higher-ups. Try this instead. Rider training is not "penitential" or "remedial" and merely for people who don't know how to ride. Think of how much more *enjoyable* riding will be with some training. Not getting those sweaty palms every time a curve comes up. Not worrying about dropping the bike in front your buddies at low speed in a parking lot. Gain some *real* confidence, the kind of confidence that allows you to become *smooth* through the curves because you quit trying to be *fast* through the curves. Stuff like that. Second the recommendation that Leon's Circles is a fun event. We all need feedback on our riding from time to time, whether you've been riding 4 months or 40 years. And self-assessment is a part of it. The safer, responsible rider is made, not born. I hope this guy doesn't ride alone. That's how really bad habits can become engrained. Paul in DC 95 VFR -----Original Message----- From: Skip ... We were talking today about a ride he had taken this past weekend, out 211 to WVa and back, and how much fun it had been. i mentioned that there's a guy on another list that does a "circles day", and he might want to come out. he took umbrage with me, saying that he already knew how to ride. ... I'm worried about this guy. yes, he's riding conservatively now, but I've got the feeling that he is going to get cocky, and cocky kills. he's still resistant to the idea of being taught, so i left off with "Ride your own ride ... after all, it's your ass. i'm just trying to give you the benefit of my experience." does anyone have any advice on how they've been able to convince an unscared newbie that they may not know all they really need to know? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 16:59:00 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:51:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Leon Begeman CC: Skip , DC Cycles Subject: Re: how to convince a newbie (Circles announcement) Leon Begeman wrote: > I sure hope Dale can show up, now that I've > volunteered him for a riding challenge. Oh yah, sure, buy your daughter a NEW bicycle, and *THEN* draw me out for a challenge.... I'll bet she's even faster than last time. :) Hopefully I can make it. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 17:14:52 2004 From: Richard Westbrook To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: how to convince a newbie Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:12:20 -0500 Does this guy have a MC license? Years ago, I found out the hard way I didn't know how to ride a bike when I went to take my test. I did the "ride around a parking lot" thing and thought I knew it all. When I dropped my bike during the test, I found out I didn't know much. Not that the Virginia driving test is a replacement for the MSF course, but it can be a great wake-up call. -Rich > ---------- > From: Skip > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:48 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: how to convince a newbie > > so I've got this friend that was drooling over my V65 magna, and really > wanted > to get his first bike. I tlked to him quite a lot about what a good first > bike > would be. he ended up getting a katana, not sure of the cc's, but I'm > relatively confident that it's too many for a first bike. > He got no formal training on riding. > We were talking today about a ride he had taken this past weekend, out > 211 to > WVa and back, and how much fun it had been. i mentioned that there's a > guy on > another list that does a "circles day", and he might want to come out. he > took > umbrage with me, saying that he already knew how to ride. i tried to > convince > his that being a newbie on a sprotbike put him in a very high fatality > group. > He felt that I was "stereotyping" him. i explained that I knew he wasn't > out > trying to drag a kneww, pulling wheelies and doing stoppies, but that I > was > concerned for him, as his lack of experience could easily get him into a > situation that he might not have the skills to get out of, and that soem > practice certainly couldn't hurt. > > I'm worried about this guy. yes, he's riding conservatively now, but I've > got > the feeling that he is going to get cocky, and cocky kills. he's still > resistant to the idea of being taught, so i left off with "Ride your own > ride > ... after all, it's your ass. i'm just trying to give you the benefit of > my > experience." > > does anyone have any advice on how they've been able to convince an > unscared > newbie that they may not know all they really need to know? > > --skip > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 17:15:34 2004 Subject: RE: how to convince a newbie Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:15:31 -0500 From: "John Yang" To: "dc-cycles" Another tact may be to urge him to take the MSF for the discount that most insurers give for that little completion card. If this ego won't let him go, maybe his wallet will. And remind him that the discount is only good for two years. Taking the MSF or the advanced rider training every two years would be a great way to maintain training, and a nice insurance discount. And you won't come off as preachy, but more like someone in the know letting him in on a great 'secret' deal that few may know exists. John. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 17:16:57 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: how to convince a newbie (Circles announcement) To: Dale Horstman Cc: Skip , DC Cycles --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Oh yah, sure, buy your daughter a NEW > bicycle, and *THEN* draw me out for a > challenge.... I'll bet she's even faster > than last time. :) Dale, You don't have to beat her, you just have to beat Skip's buddy. Although if she can pick up a second or two, she just might beat you. Leon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 17:18:11 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: how to convince a newbie Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:44 -0500 Try to get him to read Sport Riding Techniques by Nick Ienstich, haven't gotten around to it myself, but it's supposed to be great. >From: Skip >To: DC Cycles >Subject: how to convince a newbie >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:48:52 -0500 > >so I've got this friend _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 17:31:07 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: insurance discount (was: how to convince a newbie) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:30:59 -0500 3 yrs for Allstate >From: "John Yang" >To: "dc-cycles" >Subject: RE: how to convince a newbie >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:15:31 -0500 > >Another tact may be to urge him to take the MSF for the discount that >most insurers give for that little completion card. If this ego won't >let him go, maybe his wallet will. And remind him that the discount is >only good for two years. Taking the MSF or the advanced rider training >every two years would be a great way to maintain training, and a nice >insurance discount. And you won't come off as preachy, but more like >someone in the know letting him in on a great 'secret' deal that few may >know exists. _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar )B– includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 17:36:20 2004 Subject: RE: insurance discount (was: how to convince a newbie) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:36:18 -0500 From: "John Yang" To: Yeah, but nothing wrong with getting somebody to take a refresher course every other year. Good way to start off the season for part time, fair weather riders like me. If only the courses didn't fill up so damn fast. -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: insurance discount (was: how to convince a newbie) 3 yrs for Allstate >From: "John Yang" >To: "dc-cycles" >Subject: RE: how to convince a newbie >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:15:31 -0500 > >Another tact may be to urge him to take the MSF for the discount that >most insurers give for that little completion card. If this ego won't >let him go, maybe his wallet will. And remind him that the discount is >only good for two years. Taking the MSF or the advanced rider training >every two years would be a great way to maintain training, and a nice >insurance discount. And you won't come off as preachy, but more like >someone in the know letting him in on a great 'secret' deal that few may >know exists. _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar - includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 17:46:09 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: insurance discount (was: how to convince a newbie) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:46:01 -0500 Had no problem getting into ERC two falls ago when my 3 yrs was up. It's only 60 and only 1 day too. I get $20 a yr, so it was a wash. Let the beginners have their class, it's hard enough for them to get into as it is. >From: "John Yang" >To: >Subject: RE: insurance discount (was: how to convince a newbie) >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:36:18 -0500 > >Yeah, but nothing wrong with getting somebody to take a refresher course >every other year. Good way to start off the season for part time, fair >weather riders like me. If only the courses didn't fill up so damn >fast. > >-----Original Message----- >From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:31 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: insurance discount (was: how to convince a newbie) > > >3 yrs for Allstate > > >From: "John Yang" > >To: "dc-cycles" > >Subject: RE: how to convince a newbie > >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:15:31 -0500 > > > >Another tact may be to urge him to take the MSF for the discount that > >most insurers give for that little completion card. If this ego won't > >let him go, maybe his wallet will. And remind him that the discount is > >only good for two years. Taking the MSF or the advanced rider training > >every two years would be a great way to maintain training, and a nice > >insurance discount. And you won't come off as preachy, but more like > >someone in the know letting him in on a great 'secret' deal that few >may > >know exists. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar - includes FREE pop-up >blocking! >http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage )B– 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 20:02:09 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:01:54 EST Subject: Re: Snow? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/10/2004 10:27:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > I actually spent a bit of time playing lane-tag with a guy on an ST1100 on > MD-210, Black? Givi trunk? Me? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 20:08:23 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:08:10 EST Subject: Re: how to convince a newbie To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/10/2004 3:49:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > does anyone have any advice on how they've been able to convince an unscared > newbie that they may not know all they really need to know? Tell him that _you_ do not know as much as you would like. (OR _I_, or any of us, we all need to continue learning.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 10 20:21:22 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:21:12 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Story to go with pics X-AOL-IP: 64.12.97.6 Thanks to Skip for donating a portion of space on his website, the cross-country journal to go along with the pics I posted is up for viewing. It is a WordPerfect document but, Word should be able to open it also. Enjoy. And yes, the typos were intentionally left in. I drove SpellCheck NUTS while typing this up. LOL http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/dccycles/ Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 10:32:13 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:34:42 -0500 I think you are the last person on earth to use Word Perfect. How about a text file or something. Rob On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:21:12 -0500, ScooterFZR wrote > Thanks to Skip for donating a portion of space on his website, the > cross-country journal to go along with the pics I posted is up for > viewing. It is a WordPerfect document but, Word should be able to > open it also. Enjoy. And yes, the typos were intentionally left > in. I drove SpellCheck NUTS while typing this up. LOL > > http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/dccycles/ > > Scooter -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 10:48:42 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Rob Sharp'" , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Story to go with pics Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:51:10 -0500 Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to .doc, .txt, etc. Scooter, That was awesome. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Can you imagine riding through some of the conditions he described on those "machines" for that many miles? Cool. Mike 98 XR400 98 VTR1000 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Sharp [SMTP:rob@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:35 AM > To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Story to go with pics > > I think you are the last person on earth to use Word Perfect. How about a > text file or something. > > Rob > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:21:12 -0500, ScooterFZR wrote > > Thanks to Skip for donating a portion of space on his website, the > > cross-country journal to go along with the pics I posted is up for > > viewing. It is a WordPerfect document but, Word should be able to > > open it also. Enjoy. And yes, the typos were intentionally left > > in. I drove SpellCheck NUTS while typing this up. LOL > > > > http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/dccycles/ > > > > Scooter > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 10:53:36 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:53:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Story to go with pics At 10:51 AM 3/11/2004, Michael Lynch wrote: >Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to .doc, >.txt, etc. Actually, you can't just rename the extension, but my version of Word opens it fine. I thought Open Office would open it, but I guess not. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 10:58:53 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Story to go with pics Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:01:19 -0500 Really? On the computer I used to look at it, I went to the site, right clicked, saved target as, and plopped it on the desktop. It had a .wpd extension and no association. I renamed the extension to .doc and Word stuck it's icon on it. Double clicked the file and it opened in Word. So what was that? Mike 98 XR400 98 VTR1000 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:54 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Story to go with pics > > At 10:51 AM 3/11/2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > >Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to > .doc, > >.txt, etc. > > Actually, you can't just rename the extension, but my version of Word > opens > it fine. I thought Open Office would open it, but I guess not. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 11:34:32 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:34:19 -0500 From: Skip To: Rob Sharp , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Story to go with pics done. http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/dccycles --skip Rob Sharp wrote: > > I think you are the last person on earth to use Word Perfect. How about a > text file or something. > > Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 11:36:54 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:36:51 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Story to go with pics At 10:53 AM 3/11/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >At 10:51 AM 3/11/2004, Michael Lynch wrote: >>Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to .doc, >>.txt, etc. > >Actually, you can't just rename the extension, but my version of Word opens >it fine. I thought Open Office would open it, but I guess not. Well, as a last resort you can always bring up a command line prompt and open it with DEBUG. Not real pretty to look at that way, and awkward to move around in, but DEBUG will open anything... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 11:42:02 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:41:45 -0500 To: Michael Lynch , "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Story to go with pics At 11:01 AM 3/11/04 -0500, Michael Lynch wrote: >Really? On the computer I used to look at it, I went to the site, right >clicked, saved target as, and plopped it on the desktop. It had a .wpd >extension and no association. I renamed the extension to .doc and Word >stuck it's icon on it. Double clicked the file and it opened in Word. So >what was that? There's a lot more difference between a WordPerfect document and a MicroSoft Word document than the extension on the file name. I suspect your version of Word was able to read WP documents, and if so, renaming the file wasn't necessary. Just click it, and when it asks what app to use to open it, tell it to use Word. Try that same trick with a Lotus Ami Pro document sometime...you'll get some ugly results. You can still find the text, but it won't look the way it is supposed to look and there will be several pages of junk at the beginning that Ami Pro uses (and hides from you) to set up styles, fonts, colors, etc.. WP and Word do the same thing...but not in the same way as any of the others. Ditto for Electric Pencil, Write, and all the other word processors that have been used over the years. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 11:44:40 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:44:17 -0500 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 10:53 AM 3/11/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > >At 10:51 AM 3/11/2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > >>Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to .doc, > >>.txt, etc. > > > >Actually, you can't just rename the extension, but my version of Word opens > >it fine. I thought Open Office would open it, but I guess not. > > Well, as a last resort you can always bring up a command line prompt and > open it with DEBUG. Not real pretty to look at that way, and awkward to > move around in, but DEBUG will open anything... > > -- Mike B. or, right click it and rename it something simple, like "hart". then go to the command prompt and use rename to rename it from hart.wpd to hart.doc that's what I did... --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 12:00:15 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:00:08 -0500 Depending on your version of Word and how it is configured, it will do an automatic conversion of WP to Word. Changing the extension wouldn't of mattered since it's looking internally within the file to determine the type of file it is and doing the conversion for you. Some special characters and functions may not translate though. -aki > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/03/11 Thu AM 11:36:51 EST > To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Story to go with pics > > At 10:53 AM 3/11/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > >At 10:51 AM 3/11/2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > >>Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to .doc, > >>.txt, etc. > > > >Actually, you can't just rename the extension, but my version of Word opens > >it fine. I thought Open Office would open it, but I guess not. > > Well, as a last resort you can always bring up a command line prompt and > open it with DEBUG. Not real pretty to look at that way, and awkward to > move around in, but DEBUG will open anything... > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 12:02:52 2004 Subject: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:59:25 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com My daily ride, the 1983 Honda Interceptor, has developed a worrisome problem the past couple of weeks. Upon hard accelleration, usually in first or second gear, the bike will hesitate and then lurch forward, almost as if it had slipped a tooth or two on the chain. I had thought it was the clutch starting to show wear, however my only experience with slipping clutches has been in autos, where it usually results in the engine over-revving, and then a catch when the engine slows and the clutch re-engages. In a possibly related finding, when I took off the drive sprocket cover last weekend to check for the source of a persistant oil drip, I found the retaining bolt for the drive sprocket only finger-tight. I tightened it to torque specs, and there didn't seem to be any evidence of metal shavings or other damage flags, but the lurching persists. The clutch was replaced only about four thousand miles ago, with a full set of Barnett discs, and I'm not a hooligan rider, so I would be surprised if the clutch pack is that worn already. Any ideas from fellow listers before I take off the clutch cover and check the clutch plates? All replies appreciated, and I have cross-posted this on the VF list. Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 12:09:55 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:09:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Verde,Robert" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? Worn cush drive dampers? Just a thought. Paul in DC 95 VFR -----Original Message----- From: "Verde, Robert" My daily ride, the 1983 Honda Interceptor, has developed a worrisome problem the past couple of weeks. Upon hard accelleration, usually in first or second gear, the bike will hesitate and then lurch forward, almost as if it had slipped a tooth or two on the chain.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 12:51:26 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:53:55 -0500 My version of Office 2003 would open it but I had to dig through my CD's and get the install CD so it could load some software.... Last time I used Wordperfect 6.x was in like 1995. I am suprised someone is using it still. Rob On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:00:08 -0500, adamme1 wrote > Depending on your version of Word and how it is configured, > it will do an automatic conversion of WP to Word. Changing > the extension wouldn't of mattered since it's looking internally > within the file to determine the type of file it is and doing the > conversion for you. Some special characters and functions may not > translate though. > > -aki > > > > > From: Mike Bartman > > Date: 2004/03/11 Thu AM 11:36:51 EST > > To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Story to go with pics > > > > At 10:53 AM 3/11/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > > >At 10:51 AM 3/11/2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > > >>Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to .doc, > > >>.txt, etc. > > > > > >Actually, you can't just rename the extension, but my version of Word opens > > >it fine. I thought Open Office would open it, but I guess not. > > > > Well, as a last resort you can always bring up a command line prompt and > > open it with DEBUG. Not real pretty to look at that way, and awkward to > > move around in, but DEBUG will open anything... > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > > is better. > > > > -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 12:59:01 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:58:53 -0500 Actually WP is popular in the legal profession. I have no idea why..maybe that's what they use in "legal skool". > > From: "Rob Sharp" > Date: 2004/03/11 Thu PM 12:53:55 EST > To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics > > My version of Office 2003 would open it but I had to dig through my CD's and > get the install CD so it could load some software.... Last time I used > Wordperfect 6.x was in like 1995. I am suprised someone is using it still. > > Rob > > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:00:08 -0500, adamme1 wrote > > Depending on your version of Word and how it is configured, > > it will do an automatic conversion of WP to Word. Changing > > the extension wouldn't of mattered since it's looking internally > > within the file to determine the type of file it is and doing the > > conversion for you. Some special characters and functions may not > > translate though. > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > From: Mike Bartman > > > Date: 2004/03/11 Thu AM 11:36:51 EST > > > To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: Story to go with pics > > > > > > At 10:53 AM 3/11/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > > > >At 10:51 AM 3/11/2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > >>Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to .doc, > > > >>.txt, etc. > > > > > > > >Actually, you can't just rename the extension, but my version of Word opens > > > >it fine. I thought Open Office would open it, but I guess not. > > > > > > Well, as a last resort you can always bring up a command line prompt and > > > open it with DEBUG. Not real pretty to look at that way, and awkward to > > > move around in, but DEBUG will open anything... > > > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > > > is better. > > > > > > > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 13:18:25 2004 Subject: Ride in yesterday From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 11 Mar 2004 13:14:57 -0500 On my way in yesterday (and this morning) there was a sign on the on/off ramp in Dale City that the Shoulder was Closed ahead. Just as I started to go into the right lane to pass the SUV in front of me, I saw one of the VDOT folks standing in the right _lane_ surrounded by branches and other stuff. A quick slide to the left avoided the hazard. They were out there again this morning but staying closer to the shoulder. OT: I resigned (not quit) last Monday and we just put the house on the market about an hour ago. Moving forward. Later, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 13:25:01 2004 From: "Jeff Wisecarver" To: viffermaniac@XXXXXX, Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:23:53 -0500 A really lean fuel mixture? Are your sparq plugs nipple dealeis white? ----------- Jeffrey C. Wisecarver jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX Home (703)780-5421 Cell (703)786-4723 '89 RED ----Original Message Follows---- From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Verde,Robert" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:09:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Worn cush drive dampers? Just a thought. Paul in DC 95 VFR -----Original Message----- From: "Verde, Robert" My daily ride, the 1983 Honda Interceptor, has developed a worrisome problem the past couple of weeks. Upon hard accelleration, usually in first or second gear, the bike will hesitate and then lurch forward, almost as if it had slipped a tooth or two on the chain.... _________________________________________________________________ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 13:25:05 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:24:48 -0500 From: Skip To: Rob Sharp CC: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics my Dell came loaded with it, and i havent' come across anyone who has a current Office disk to loan (hint, hint) --skip Rob Sharp wrote: > > My version of Office 2003 would open it but I had to dig through my CD's and > get the install CD so it could load some software.... Last time I used > Wordperfect 6.x was in like 1995. I am suprised someone is using it still. > > Rob > > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:00:08 -0500, adamme1 wrote > > Depending on your version of Word and how it is configured, > > it will do an automatic conversion of WP to Word. Changing > > the extension wouldn't of mattered since it's looking internally > > within the file to determine the type of file it is and doing the > > conversion for you. Some special characters and functions may not > > translate though. > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > From: Mike Bartman > > > Date: 2004/03/11 Thu AM 11:36:51 EST > > > To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: Story to go with pics > > > > > > At 10:53 AM 3/11/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > > > >At 10:51 AM 3/11/2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > >>Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to .doc, > > > >>.txt, etc. > > > > > > > >Actually, you can't just rename the extension, but my version of Word opens > > > >it fine. I thought Open Office would open it, but I guess not. > > > > > > Well, as a last resort you can always bring up a command line prompt and > > > open it with DEBUG. Not real pretty to look at that way, and awkward to > > > move around in, but DEBUG will open anything... > > > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > > > is better. > > > > > > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 13:39:55 2004 Subject: RE: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:38:18 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Brian Roach" Cc: X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com The engine seems to build speed just fine, it almost feels like I'm skidding the rear wheel. Not so much hesitation, I guess, but certainly a strong jerk/lurch somewhere in the drivetrain. I now can induce the symptom at will; shift into second, whack open the throttle, smooth acceleration and then a harsh feeling of something not engaging/re-engaging almost immediately. Engine idles fine and otherwise seems to be ticking over nicely. If I accelerate slowly (my normal mode) everything seems normal. Hitting the gas hard = erratic behavior from bike. Frankly, I'm getting a bit paranoid... Robert -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:02 PM To: Verde, Robert Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? Verde, Robert wrote: > My daily ride, the 1983 Honda Interceptor, has developed a worrisome problem > the past couple of weeks. Upon hard accelleration, > usually in first or second gear, the bike will hesitate and then lurch forward, > almost as if it had slipped a tooth or two on the chain. Define "hesitate and then lurch forward". Does the engine hesitate, or does it build RPM as it should while something else further along in the drive train is going awry? - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 13:43:15 2004 Subject: RE: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:42:02 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Jeff Wisecarver" , , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com I had the carbs synched after I switched to an aftermarket pipe and installed a jet kit, but again that was probably five thousand miles ago, with no issues. I had been running synthetic oil until three thousand ago, when I switched to Kendall dino fluid, but that doesn't seem to have had any ill effects until a couple of weeks ago. Just to be on the safe side I changed the oil last week, now it's a semi-synthetic, Racelube or whatever it's called now. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Wisecarver [mailto:jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:24 PM To: viffermaniac@XXXXXX; Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? A really lean fuel mixture? Are your sparq plugs nipple dealeis white? ----------- Jeffrey C. Wisecarver jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX Home (703)780-5421 Cell (703)786-4723 '89 RED From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 13:50:57 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:50:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Free Office (end of topic) At 01:24 PM 3/11/2004, Skip wrote: >my Dell came loaded with it, and i havent' come across anyone who has a >current >Office disk to loan (hint, hint) Anyone that doesn't already have MS Office should check out Open Office. It is an open source office suite 99.9% compatible with MS Office XP. It has an Excel, Power Point and Word clone. No Access or Outlook. It is a free 63Mb download and runs on Windows and Linux in many languages. http://download.openoffice.org/1.1.0/index.html Now, as this is a moto list, you can chat with me off list about it if you want. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 14:09:46 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:09:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics Very interesting and thanks for putting that together. I like the part about riding on bricks. That's old US 40 (the National Rd.) in Eastern Ohio. You can still see some of the brick pavement where the road's been realigned and the old hwy veers off into the weeds. Brick pavement is common in towns, but they did attempt to pave rural highways in brick once upon a time. In the 1920s federal aid for highways was just getting started, as well as numbered US highway routes. It's hard to imagine taking all day to get from Bridgeport, on the Ohio River, to Columbus. You can do it in two hours these days,and that's without raising the ire of the Highway Patrol. As for the typos, I think that's creative spelling and a lot of it is phonetic. Example: I got to the part about Oregon and the town of "Ugine." Huh, scratch head. Oh, that would be Eugene! My great uncle did a similar trip, in the 1920s, but sadly there was no journal to go with it. Those guys didn't seem to be early risers. And much carousing in the evenings, apparently. This was during Prohibition. :) I seem to have lost the link to the pics. Paul in DC Old Hwy. and Hwy. Architecture buff, and frequent Blue Hwy. traveller -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Thanks to Skip for donating a portion of space on his website, the cross-country journal to go along with the pics I posted is up for viewing. It is a WordPerfect document but, Word should be able to open it also. Enjoy. And yes, the typos were intentionally left in. I drove SpellCheck NUTS while typing this up. LOL http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/dccycles/ Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 14:11:32 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:11:27 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics At 12:58 PM 3/11/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >Actually WP is popular in the legal profession. I have no idea why..maybe that's what they use in "legal skool". They change slowly, but my ex-wife is a legal secretary at a major D.C. law firm, and even they've abaondoned it. They use MS Word now. Of course they still print things out and then scan/fax them, rather than sending directly in digital form the whole way... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 14:14:07 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:14:04 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday At 01:14 PM 3/11/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >OT: I resigned (not quit) last Monday and we just put the house on the >market about an hour ago. Moving forward. Good job avoiding the tree cutter. I guess the resignation means they didn't go for the remote work idea? Too bad. Maybe they'll reconsider it once you aren't there to answer questions. ;^) Gotta get some work done so I can get out of hear a bit early and go for a ride...what a nice looking day! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 14:21:47 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:21:43 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? Cc: At 01:38 PM 3/11/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >Engine idles fine and otherwise seems to be ticking over nicely. If I accelerate slowly (my normal mode) everything seems normal. Hitting the gas hard = erratic behavior from bike. Can you make it do it while stopped if you rev the engine? Just wondering if it's something like a clogged fuel filter, failing fuel pump, kink in a line, or something else that's interfering with gas delivery when there's a sudden increase in demand that lasts until increasing engine speed increases "pull" enough to overcome it. Sticky float in the carb? Or maybe it's electrical? Does it "miss" at all when you do that? Or is is just a power problem? If it happens when you rev it while stopped, at least you'll have eliminated the drive train. If it won't happen while stopped, then it could be the drive train or it could be engine load related. Are you running the same gas you've always used? Was the bike sitting over the winter? Just wildly guessing here, based on a general understanding of internal combustion, not your bike in particular, or any detailed experience diagnosing such problems... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 14:32:23 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:32:14 -0500 The Office of Corporate Council for the DC govenment, which consists of about 200+ lawyers insist on using WP. In fact the summer interns they get all use WP as well and don't have a clue on how to use Word. Odd. Everyone else in the District/planet uses Word. > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/03/11 Thu PM 02:11:27 EST > To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics > > At 12:58 PM 3/11/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >Actually WP is popular in the legal profession. I have no idea why..maybe > that's what they use in "legal skool". > > They change slowly, but my ex-wife is a legal secretary at a major D.C. law > firm, and even they've abaondoned it. They use MS Word now. > > Of course they still print things out and then scan/fax them, rather than > sending directly in digital form the whole way... > > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 14:37:12 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:36:58 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Actually WP is popular in the legal profession. I have no idea > why..maybe that's what they > use in "legal skool". yes and because WP had a nice and powerful set of macro's people (consultants and WP itself) wrote to do various tasks. Word sucks IMO but it really sucked until M$ got around to releasing it's 3rd attempt, like pretty much all it's products. Law offices are normally *really* slow about adopting new technologies and methods. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 15:31:23 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:31:01 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Nope. Sorry. Just can't do it. ;-) Scooter (WordPerfect til the end) In a message dated 3/11/2004 10:34:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > I think you are the last person on earth to use Word Perfect. How about a > text file or something. > > Rob > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:21:12 -0500, ScooterFZR wrote > > Thanks to Skip for donating a portion of space on his website, the > > cross-country journal to go along with the pics I posted is up for > > viewing. It is a WordPerfect document but, Word should be able to > > open it also. Enjoy. And yes, the typos were > intentionally left > > in. I drove SpellCheck NUTS while typing this up. LOL > > > > http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/dccycles/ > > > > Scooter > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 15:34:05 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:33:44 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: MLynch@XXXXXX, rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 My mother told me, AFTER I had done my cross-country motorcycle trip, that I should have kept a journal to compare the two. D'oh. :-) Scooter In a message dated 3/11/2004 10:51:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, MLynch@XXXXXX writes: > > > Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to .doc, > .txt, etc. > > Scooter, > That was awesome. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Can you imagine > riding through some of the conditions he described on those "machines" for > that many miles? Cool. > > Mike > 98 XR400 > 98 VTR1000 > 96 VFR > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Sharp [SMTP:rob@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:35 AM > > To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Story to go with pics > > > > I think you are the last person on earth to use Word Perfect. How about a > > text file or something. > > > > Rob > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:21:12 -0500, ScooterFZR wrote > > > Thanks to Skip for donating a portion of space on his website, the > > > cross-country journal to go along with the pics I posted is up for > > > viewing. It is a WordPerfect document but, Word should be able to > > > open it also. Enjoy. And yes, the typos were > intentionally left > > > in. I drove SpellCheck NUTS while typing this up. LOL > > > > > > http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/dccycles/ > > > > > > Scooter > > > > > > -- > > Rob Sharp > > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 15:34:57 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:34:46 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Thank you Skip. :-) Scooter In a message dated 3/11/2004 11:34:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > > done. > > http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/dccycles > > --skip > > Rob Sharp wrote: > > > > I think you are the last person on earth to use Word > Perfect. How about a > > text file or something. > > > > Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 15:39:57 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:39:48 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 It's actually WordPerfect 8. I think it just saves in a version that 6, 7 & 8 can still open. I'll update to version 10 one of these days. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/11/2004 12:53:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > My version of Office 2003 would open it but I had to dig through my CD's and > get the install CD so it could load some software.... Last time I used > Wordperfect 6.x was in like 1995. I am suprised someone is using it still. > > Rob > > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:00:08 -0500, adamme1 wrote > > Depending on your version of Word and how it is configured, > > it will do an automatic conversion of WP to Word. Changing > > the extension wouldn't of mattered since it's looking internally > > within the file to determine the type of file it is and doing the > > conversion for you. Some special characters and functions may not > > translate though. > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > From: Mike Bartman > > > Date: 2004/03/11 Thu AM 11:36:51 EST > > > To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: Story to go with pics > > > > > > At 10:53 AM 3/11/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > > > >At 10:51 AM 3/11/2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > >>Dude, you can just save the file locally and rename the extension to .doc, > > > >>.txt, etc. > > > > > > > >Actually, you can't just rename the extension, but my version of Word opens > > > >it fine. I thought Open Office would open it, but I guess not. > > > > > > Well, as a last resort you can always bring up a command line prompt and > > > open it with DEBUG. Not real pretty to look at that way, and awkward to > > > move around in, but DEBUG will open anything... > > > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's mistakes > > > is better. > > > > > > > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 15:43:08 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:42:59 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Pics are on www.webshots.com. Do a member lookup for scooterfzr and you should be able to access them. As well as all my other pics. :-) Scooter In a message dated 3/11/2004 2:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: > > > Very interesting and thanks for putting that together. I like the part about riding on bricks. That's old US 40 (the National Rd.) in Eastern Ohio. You can still see some of the brick pavement where the road's been realigned and the old hwy veers off into the weeds. Brick pavement is common in towns, but they did attempt to pave rural highways in brick once upon a time. In the 1920s federal aid for highways was just getting started, as well as numbered US highway routes. It's hard to imagine taking all day to get from Bridgeport, on the Ohio River, to Columbus. You can do it in two hours these days,and that's without raising the ire of the Highway Patrol. > > As for the typos, I think that's creative spelling and a lot of it is phonetic. Example: I got to the part about Oregon and the town of "Ugine." Huh, scratch head. Oh, that would be Eugene! > > My great uncle did a similar trip, in the 1920s, but sadly there was no journal to go with it. > > Those guys didn't seem to be early risers. And much carousing in the evenings, apparently. This was during Prohibition. :) > > I seem to have lost the link to the pics. > > Paul in DC > Old Hwy. and Hwy. Architecture buff, and frequent Blue Hwy. traveller > > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > Thanks to Skip for donating a portion of space on his website, the cross-country journal to go along with the pics I posted is up for viewing. It is a WordPerfect document but, Word should be able to open it also. Enjoy. And yes, the typos were intentionally left in. I drove SpellCheck NUTS while > typing this up. LOL > > http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/dccycles/ > > Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 15:46:21 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:46:09 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Sorry bout that. From the main Webshots page, you want to go to Community and THEN do a Member lookup near the bottom of the page. :-) Scooter In a message dated 3/11/2004 3:42:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > > > Pics are on www.webshots.com. Do a member lookup for scooterfzr and you should be able to access them. As well as all my other pics. :-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated 3/11/2004 2:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Very interesting and thanks for putting that together. I like the part about riding on bricks. That's old US 40 (the National Rd.) in Eastern Ohio. You can still see some of the brick pavement where the road's been realigned and the old hwy veers off into the weeds. Brick pavement is common in towns, but they did attempt to pave rural highways in brick once upon a time. In the 1920s federal aid for highways was just getting started, as well as numbered US highway routes. It's hard to imagine taking all day to get from Bridgeport, on the Ohio River, to Columbus. You can do it in two hours these days,and that's without raising the ire of the Highway Patrol. > > > > As for the typos, I think that's creative spelling and a lot of it is phonetic. Example: I got to the part about Oregon and the town of "Ugine." Huh, scratch head. Oh, that would be Eugene! > > > > My great uncle did a similar trip, in the 1920s, but sadly there was no journal to go with it. > > > > Those guys didn't seem to be early risers. And much carousing in the evenings, apparently. This was during Prohibition. :) > > > > I seem to have lost the link to the pics. > > > > Paul in DC > > Old Hwy. and Hwy. Architecture buff, and frequent Blue Hwy. traveller > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > > Thanks to Skip for donating a portion of space on his website, the cross-country journal to go along with the pics I posted is up for viewing. It is a WordPerfect document but, Word should be able to open it also. Enjoy. And yes, the typos were intentionally left in. I drove SpellCheck NUTS > while > > typing this up. LOL > > > > http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/dccycles/ > > > > Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 16:14:59 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" , "'SabMag'" Subject: Lane Split at 130 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:20:31 -0500 Then he goes faster! < http://www.loveit-or-leaveit.com/videos/motorcycle.html > Fairly large video From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 16:21:28 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:21:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Lane Split at 130 At 04:20 PM 3/11/2004, Custer, Carl wrote: >http://www.loveit-or-leaveit.com/videos/motorcycle.html Was that a cop he passed before flying off the exit? For those of you with nothing to do : http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle/videos/ My favorite is the large Pascals ride (loop around Paris at high speed, like the beltway at 150). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 16:26:50 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Custer, Carl'" , "'DCCycles'" , "'SabMag'" Subject: RE: Lane Split at 130 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:25:55 -0500 Passed a cop a buck 70... Did a loop and lost him. Guys got some balls... not a lot of brains though. -----Original Message----- From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:21 PM To: 'DCCycles'; 'SabMag' Subject: Lane Split at 130 Then he goes faster! < http://www.loveit-or-leaveit.com/videos/motorcycle.html > Fairly large video From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 18:32:52 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:27:43 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics At 02:32 PM 3/11/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >The Office of Corporate Council for the DC govenment, which consists of about 200+ lawyers insist on using WP. The firm my ex works for has well over 250 lawyers, and used to use WP, but switched about 4 or 5 years ago. > Everyone else in the District/planet uses Word. Only those who run Windows. Since neither runs on a Harley, I'm going to quit this thread now... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 19:55:42 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:58:12 -0500 And Macintosh. And all the other word processing apps are compatible with MS word's format (or try to be). The only more popular format is probably PDF. Rob On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:27:43 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > > > Everyone else in the District/planet uses Word. > > Only those who run Windows. > > Since neither runs on a Harley, I'm going to quit this thread now... > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 11 22:03:38 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:06:48 -0500 From: Shigeru Honda To: Jim McGonigle , "'DCCycles'" CC: "'Custer, Carl'" Subject: Re: Lane Split at 130 this guy gets away with it?? now that's not fair!! Jim McGonigle wrote: > Passed a cop a buck 70... Did a loop and lost him. Guys got some balls... > not a lot of brains though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:21 PM > To: 'DCCycles'; 'SabMag' > Subject: Lane Split at 130 > > Then he goes faster! > < http://www.loveit-or-leaveit.com/videos/motorcycle.html > > > > Fairly large video -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 07:56:09 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:56:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics To: Mike Bartman , adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX imo, wordperfect is a much better program because of the "reveal codes" function. we use word simply to view other firms' work. i'm surprised this "major dc law firm" doesn't just publish to .pdf and transmit electronically. all courts will be requiring electronic submission in .pdf format before long (most federal jurisdictions do already). --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:58 PM 3/11/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >Actually WP is popular in the legal profession. I have > no idea why..maybe > that's what they use in "legal skool". > > They change slowly, but my ex-wife is a legal secretary > at a major D.C. law > firm, and even they've abaondoned it. They use MS Word > now. > > Of course they still print things out and then scan/fax > them, rather than > sending directly in digital form the whole way... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 07:58:00 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday To: Mike Bartman , Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 01:14 PM 3/11/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > >OT: I resigned (not quit) last Monday and we just put > the house on the > >market about an hour ago. Moving forward. > > Good job avoiding the tree cutter. yeah. big sign says be wary of something ahead on the right, so carl gets in the right lane. great job avoiding trouble! -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 07:58:28 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:58:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? To: Mike Bartman , "Verde, Robert" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX sounds more like a drivetrain issue to me.... --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 01:38 PM 3/11/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: > > >Engine idles fine and otherwise seems to be ticking over > nicely. If I > accelerate slowly (my normal mode) everything seems > normal. Hitting the > gas hard = erratic behavior from bike. > > Can you make it do it while stopped if you rev the > engine? > > Just wondering if it's something like a clogged fuel > filter, failing fuel > pump, kink in a line, or something else that's > interfering with gas > delivery when there's a sudden increase in demand that > lasts until > increasing engine speed increases "pull" enough to > overcome it. Sticky > float in the carb? > > Or maybe it's electrical? Does it "miss" at all when you > do that? Or is > is just a power problem? > > If it happens when you rev it while stopped, at least > you'll have > eliminated the drive train. If it won't happen while > stopped, then it > could be the drive train or it could be engine load > related. > > Are you running the same gas you've always used? > > Was the bike sitting over the winter? > > Just wildly guessing here, based on a general > understanding of internal > combustion, not your bike in particular, or any detailed > experience > diagnosing such problems... > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for > the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's mistakes > is better. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 07:59:04 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:58:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX wrong. --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > The Office of Corporate Council for the DC govenment, > which consists of about 200+ lawyers insist on using WP. > In fact the summer interns they get all use WP as well > and don't have a clue on how to use Word. Odd. Everyone > else in the District/planet uses Word. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 08:05:16 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:04:38 -0500 From: Tom To: Carl Schelin Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday Carl Schelin wrote: >OT: I resigned (not quit) last Monday and we just put the house on the >market about an hour ago. Moving forward. > >Later, > >Carl > > > I for one will miss your postings. They have been informative, funny, and sometimes adventurous. Good luck on you new adventure, Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 08:50:20 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 8:50:13 -0500 Since my department is responsible for supporting their desktop applications and our SLA with them specifically states WP support as their primary word processing application, I'd say that my statement is true. Get your facts straight before you go spouting off someone is wrong. > > From: Tom Gimer > Date: 2004/03/12 Fri AM 07:58:57 EST > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics > > wrong. > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > The Office of Corporate Council for the DC govenment, > > which consists of about 200+ lawyers insist on using WP. > > In fact the summer interns they get all use WP as well > > and don't have a clue on how to use Word. Odd. Everyone > > else in the District/planet uses Word. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 08:56:49 2004 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Story to go with pics Content-ID: <4260.1079099806.1@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:56:46 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos Unless someone can enlighten us on how a lawyer's choice of word processing software is a DC area motorcycling issue, then please take this discussion off-list. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:21:59 2004 Subject: Bike symptoms - Update Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:21:31 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" Cc: X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com Well; the prognosis is not good. I was experimenting on the ride home last night, trying to figure out where the slippage was occurring, and I think I've narrowed it down. At this point I don't have much second gear at all, which seems to indicate transmission woes. Still works to downshift through the gears, and if I baby it, I can get a little bit of use out of second. Any real accelleration and evil things happen. :-( So, I guess I may have to consider getting a cage again... I do have a lead on a VF700 engine being offered for $200, so I may see if that's still available, swap that into the bike, and rebuild the 750 engine. Or, buy another bike altogether, maybe that dual-sport I've been looking at! Thanks for all the replies and tips on diagnosis, Brian Roach especially. Robert (Practising riding like a squid; and shifting smoothly between first and third...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:26:10 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 06:26:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX i don't give a shit where you work or who you support. the statement that "everyone else in the district/planet uses word" is simply wrong. --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Since my department is responsible for supporting their > desktop applications and our SLA with them specifically > states WP support as their primary word processing > application, I'd say that my statement is true. > > Get your facts straight before you go spouting off > someone is wrong. > > > > > > From: Tom Gimer > > Date: 2004/03/12 Fri AM 07:58:57 EST > > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics > > > > wrong. > > > > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > The Office of Corporate Council for the DC govenment, > > > which consists of about 200+ lawyers insist on using > WP. > > > In fact the summer interns they get all use WP as > well > > > and don't have a clue on how to use Word. Odd. > Everyone > > > else in the District/planet uses Word. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:31:10 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:31:02 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The rest of the list doesn't give a shit about this either way. so... who sailed in today? >i don't give a shit where you work or who you support. the >statement that "everyone else in the district/planet uses >word" is simply wrong. > > >--- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> Since my department is responsible for supporting their >> desktop applications and our SLA with them specifically >> states WP support as their primary word processing >> application, I'd say that my statement is true. >> >> Get your facts straight before you go spouting off >> someone is wrong. >> >> >> > >> > From: Tom Gimer >> > Date: 2004/03/12 Fri AM 07:58:57 EST >> > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> > Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics >> > >> > wrong. >> > >> > >> > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> > > >> > > The Office of Corporate Council for the DC govenment, >> > > which consists of about 200+ lawyers insist on using >> WP. >> > > In fact the summer interns they get all use WP as >> well >> > > and don't have a clue on how to use Word. Odd. >> Everyone >> > > else in the District/planet uses Word. > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster >http://search.yahoo.com > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:34:28 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 06:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Story to go with pics On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > so... who sailed in today? I tried, but I ran aground somewhere along the line, so I had to ride my motorcycle the rest of the way. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:34:37 2004 Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Mar 2004 09:31:12 -0500 On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 08:04, Tom wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > >OT: I resigned (not quit) last Monday and we just put the house on the > >market about an hour ago. Moving forward. > > > >Later, > > > >Carl > > > I for one will miss your postings. They have been informative, funny, > and sometimes adventurous. > Thank you. It's fun to have someone to share these things with. Being with a group, even if virtual, gives me the opportunity to better my riding skills, especially since I'm pretty much a lone rider. If it wasn't for being able to share experiences, I might still be just riding. And hey, thanks to all for not razzing me too much about having a sport bike, although Bill seems to have disappeared. > Good luck on you new adventure, > I'll probably hang out here until the amount of traffic on a new list overwhelms this one. I've lived in this area for almost 30 years. I'm not going to just forget about it. And since Rita's daughter lives here, we may wander by from time to time. > Tom de '98 VTR And we put the house on the market at 11:30 or so yesterday. By 3:30 we had three calls. Two had visited the house and there was one more call last night for an appointment today. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:42:09 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:41:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding the Big Red Sail, was Re: RE: Story to go with pics Yee haw....love the whitecaps on the Potomac by the 14th St Bridge, and on the pond at Roaches Run. Riding the big red sail, aka the VFR, some mild buffeting, but nothing worrisome. Paul in DC, who still remembers using WordStar -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates The rest of the list doesn't give a shit about this either way. so... who sailed in today? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:46:24 2004 Subject: Sailing... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:45:47 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com I thought the wind effect on the bike was just another symptom of something going wrong... ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:34 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Story to go with pics On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > so... who sailed in today? I tried, but I ran aground somewhere along the line, so I had to ride my motorcycle the rest of the way. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:48:42 2004 Subject: Who rode in (was: ... something unimportant to biking) From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Mar 2004 09:45:15 -0500 On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 09:31, Dave Yates wrote: > > so... who sailed in today? > > I picked the GSXR to ride. Lots of fun and little traffic. In HOV just around a corner (around Lorton) there was a firetruck with cones blocking the right lane and a red car on the shoulder. I grabbed the front brakes and slowed right down with no problems. I picked up Proficient Motorcycling and More Proficient Motorcycling while on vacation in Colorado. I noticed that while in slower situations (like stop and go traffic or riding around town), I'd use my rear brake. After reading the braking section, I vowed to use only the front brake so that it becomes the habit rather than the rear brake. I've noticed lately that it _is_ becoming the habit and I have my foot cover the rear brake in case it's necessary. On the sport bike it's lots easier, due to rider position I guess. On the Harley though, I notice that the front end tends to wiggle a bit. Perhaps because on the sport bike I'm mainly laying on the bike but on the Harley I'm pulling the handlebars. A slight release of the right hand forces the left hand to maintain control of the front end. That's one of the other reasons I've been focusing on the front brake. I need to have it smooth with no loss of control. Practice, practice, practice. Last night on the way home (7:15pm or so) there was some big accident just before Duke Street blocking all travel lanes. Of course the idiots in HOV had to slow and look at all the nothing (could of fender benders but strewn across the road). On the way in yesterday, I was behind one of the big moving company semis when I saw glass hitting the road. It looked like a light globe. I slowed down a bit to see what to do and he shifted into the left lane and speeded up. I was trying to keep back, look for position so I could pass, see where the glass was coming from so I'd know where to pass and when, and be wary of flying glass when a spray of ice flew off of the top of the truck. Ice! I ducked down to avoid most of it but a hefty chunk hit my right shoulder. Watch the skies! Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:50:45 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:50:07 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday Carl Schelin wrote: > >And hey, thanks to all for not razzing me too much about having a sport >bike, although Bill seems to have disappeared. > > > Hey, it's ok to have fun once in a while ;P. > >And we put the house on the market at 11:30 or so yesterday. By 3:30 we >had three calls. Two had visited the house and there was one more call >last night for an appointment today. > > yeah, one good thing about this area. You home should go pretty fast. > >Carl > > > Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:54:03 2004 From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Erratic engine Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:41:23 -0500 At 01:38 PM 3/11/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >Engine idles fine and otherwise seems to be ticking over nicely. If I >accelerate slowly (my normal mode) everything seems normal. Hitting the >gas hard = erratic behavior from bike. How does the gas tank relieve built-up pressure caused when fuel drains out? If the tank is not venting, it will create a vacuum and starve the carbs of fuel. But, since a tiny bit of fuel dribbles out, you can cruise and increase speed very slowly, but hitting the gas hard will cause sputtering. Another thing is your battery cables are loose. Check the battery cables, wiggle/clean them up, and reattach. -Ward _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:55:33 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:55:20 -0500 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? 2nd gear is shot. if you're really attached to it, you can pull the engine and trans and send them to Dave Dodge in NC. he can ?undercut? the gears and save your bike. or you can get a new engine/trans. this is a known issue in these bikes. however, it really only happens with 2nd, so you can just avoid that gear and continue to ride for a loooong time with no real issues. Good luck! --skip "Verde, Robert" wrote: > > My daily ride, the 1983 Honda Interceptor, has developed a worrisome problem the past couple of weeks. Upon hard accelleration, usually in first or second gear, the bike will hesitate and then lurch forward, almost as if it had slipped a tooth or two on the chain. I had thought it was the clutch starting to show wear, however my only experience with slipping clutches has been in autos, where it usually results in the engine over-revving, and then a catch when the engine slows and the clutch re-engages. > > In a possibly related finding, when I took off the drive sprocket cover last weekend to check for the source of a persistant oil drip, I found the retaining bolt for the drive sprocket only finger-tight. I tightened it to torque specs, and there didn't seem to be any evidence of metal shavings or other damage flags, but the lurching persists. > > The clutch was replaced only about four thousand miles ago, with a full set of Barnett discs, and I'm not a hooligan rider, so I would be surprised if the clutch pack is that worn already. Any ideas from fellow listers before I take off the clutch cover and check the clutch plates? > > All replies appreciated, and I have cross-posted this on the VF list. > > Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 09:57:56 2004 Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Mar 2004 09:54:26 -0500 On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 14:14, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 01:14 PM 3/11/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > >OT: I resigned (not quit) last Monday and we just put the house on the > >market about an hour ago. Moving forward. > > Good job avoiding the tree cutter. Hey, I missed a comment here. Actually I had _begun_ to change lanes when I saw the debris and the VDOT person. I basically just hitched a little to the left to stay in the lane until I got by. Then I finished the lane change. Not much to it, but still something worth mentioning. > -- Mike B. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:09:08 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:08:42 -0500 I missed why it's worth mentioning? >From: Carl Schelin >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday >Date: 12 Mar 2004 09:54:26 -0500 > >On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 14:14, Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 01:14 PM 3/11/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > > > > > Good job avoiding the tree cutter. > >Hey, I missed a comment here. Actually I had _begun_ to change lanes >when I saw the debris and the VDOT person. I basically just hitched a >little to the left to stay in the lane until I got by. Then I finished >the lane change. Not much to it, but still something worth mentioning. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:09:34 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding the Big Red Sail, was Re: RE: Story to go with pics Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:09:26 -0500 Why are you not on the "rat bike" today? >From: Paul Wilson >Reply-To: Paul Wilson >To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Riding the Big Red Sail, was Re: RE: Story to go with pics >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:41:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > >Yee haw....love the whitecaps on the Potomac by the 14th St Bridge, and on >the pond at Roaches Run. > >Riding the big red sail, aka the VFR, some mild buffeting, but nothing >worrisome. > >Paul in DC, who still remembers using WordStar > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Yates > >The rest of the list doesn't give a shit about this either >way. > >so... who sailed in today? > > > _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage )B– 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:22:44 2004 Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Mar 2004 10:19:19 -0500 On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 10:08, rich hall wrote: > I missed why it's worth mentioning? > Perhaps the next time you're out riding and you see a "Shoulder Closed" sign ahead, you'll remember my (or others for different situations) notes on what happened and you'll hesitate before making that lane change, or be careful about what may be in rather than on the side of the road. _You_ may be experienced in seeing ahead, but others who don't have as much experience, may be able to learn something from someone else's mistake or close call. After all, it didn't say anything about _why_ the shoulder was closed. It could just as well have been a Jersey Barrier protecting construction workers, it could have been a trash crew who certainly wouldn't have been in the road, or it could have been some crew that was trimming trees and accidentally dropped a large branch into the road creating a hazard. Just trying to help. Feel free to ignore my little notes :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:31:30 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:30:24 -0500 So basically I should look where I'm going? BTW I rode in today. >From: Carl Schelin >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday >Date: 12 Mar 2004 10:19:19 -0500 > >On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 10:08, rich hall wrote: > > I missed why it's worth mentioning? > > > >Perhaps the next time you're out riding and you see a "Shoulder Closed" >sign ahead, you'll remember my (or others for different situations) >notes on what happened and you'll hesitate before making that lane >change, or be careful about what may be in rather than on the side of >the road. > >_You_ may be experienced in seeing ahead, but others who don't have as >much experience, may be able to learn something from someone else's >mistake or close call. > >After all, it didn't say anything about _why_ the shoulder was closed. >It could just as well have been a Jersey Barrier protecting construction >workers, it could have been a trash crew who certainly wouldn't have >been in the road, or it could have been some crew that was trimming >trees and accidentally dropped a large branch into the road creating a >hazard. > >Just trying to help. Feel free to ignore my little notes :-) _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:34:20 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Shoppin'! Well, I've finally decided that it's probably time to retire the GS500s and step up/across to something else. Something new. (Not borrowed, but maybe blue.) Currently in contention are the usual crop of midsized naked standards (Speed Four, 599, SV650, whatever the Yamaha offering is called), or maaaybe if I can swing the dough a sport-tourer. The FJR1300 looks most pretty, and by all accounts is a sweet, sweet machine, but the wait time is daunting. Anyone have any comments or suggestions? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:36:39 2004 Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Mar 2004 10:33:14 -0500 On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 10:30, rich hall wrote: > So basically I should look where I'm going? Works for me. If I wasn't looking where I was going, I may have had a little run through the brush :-) "Looking where you're going" is a nice general thought, "Shoulder Closed Ahead" may bring up a specific situation that you read about/experienced which may make you pay even more attention. > BTW I rode in today. > Cool, how was 66 this morning? I heard about an accident yesterday but don't normally pay attention to 66 traffic reports since I'm on 95/395. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:42:42 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:42:36 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Shoppin'! To: DC-Cycles Fish chums the waters with: >Well, I've finally decided that it's probably time to retire >the GS500s and step up/across to something else. Something >new. (Not borrowed, but maybe blue.) > >Currently in contention are the usual crop of midsized naked >standards (Speed Four, 599, SV650, whatever the Yamaha >offering is called), or maaaybe if I can swing the dough a >sport-tourer. The FJR1300 looks most >pretty, and by all accounts is a sweet, sweet machine, but >the wait time is daunting. > >Anyone have any comments or suggestions? [Dave] That will largely depend on your two wheel modus operandi. How do you intend to use the new scoot? which word processor will you use to make up the list ;-) Are track days a possibility? Commuting? weekend riding? Canyon carving? all of the above ? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:43:10 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Shoppin'! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:45:42 -0500 How 'bout splitting the middle of those 2 choices with a couple-of-years-old mid-weight sport tourer? VFR Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [SMTP:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:34 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Shoppin'! > > Well, I've finally decided that it's probably time to retire the GS500s > and step up/across to something else. Something new. (Not borrowed, but > maybe blue.) > > Currently in contention are the usual crop of midsized naked standards > (Speed Four, 599, SV650, whatever the Yamaha offering is called), or > maaaybe if I can swing the dough a sport-tourer. The FJR1300 looks most > pretty, and by all accounts is a sweet, sweet machine, but the wait time > is daunting. > > Anyone have any comments or suggestions? > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:43:30 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Shoppin'! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:42:34 -0500 Think motorcyclist just did a shoot out on the 600 naked guys. SV came out on top. Think they liked the 599 better, but w/ the cost difference dumped into suspension on the SV said it would be a superior bike as the motor it self was better. Think they didn't like the way Yamaha tuned down the R6 engine. Read this on the SV list, don't know if they included the Triumph. That Seca II I sold a yr ago was blue BTW. Rich '02 SVS Saw a FJ this morn, damn nice. >From: Fish Flowers >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Shoppin'! >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:34:06 -0800 (PST) > >Well, I've finally decided that it's probably time to retire the GS500s >and step up/across to something else. Something new. (Not borrowed, but >maybe blue.) > >Currently in contention are the usual crop of midsized naked standards >(Speed Four, 599, SV650, whatever the Yamaha offering is called), or >maaaybe if I can swing the dough a sport-tourer. The FJR1300 looks most >pretty, and by all accounts is a sweet, sweet machine, but the wait time >is daunting. > >Anyone have any comments or suggestions? > >Fish. > _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:43:59 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:43:51 -0500 I only get maybe 4 miles of 66, they were nice and open, Fridays are always the best traffic days going in. >From: Carl Schelin >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday >Date: 12 Mar 2004 10:33:14 -0500 > >On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 10:30, rich hall wrote: > > So basically I should look where I'm going? > >Works for me. If I wasn't looking where I was going, I may have had a >little run through the brush :-) "Looking where you're going" is a nice >general thought, "Shoulder Closed Ahead" may bring up a specific >situation that you read about/experienced which may make you pay even >more attention. > > > BTW I rode in today. > > > >Cool, how was 66 this morning? I heard about an accident yesterday but >don't normally pay attention to 66 traffic reports since I'm on 95/395. > >Carl > > _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar )B– includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:49:28 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:49:27 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Shoppin'! On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > That will largely depend on your two wheel modus operandi. How do you > intend to use the new scoot? Primarily commuting -- 30 miles, give or take, almost exclusively highway. Track days are not likely, but I wouldn't mind getting into more weekend riding or touring. (Touring sounds interesting -- I'd like to try a Saddle Sore at some point, but a not-entirely-reliable unfaired GS is possibly not the proper ride for that.) > which word processor will you use to make up the list ;-) vi, if you must know. But then, I'm not a lawyer. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:55:40 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:55:33 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Shoppin'! On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, rich hall wrote: > Think motorcyclist just did a shoot out on the 600 naked guys. Yeah; I got that issue, even though my sub has theoretically expired. *shrug* They did put the SV on top of the three-bike shootout, but they basically said "We're reviewing the Speed Four separately because it's in an entirely different class -- less user friendly, but if ye're willing to put up with that, far superior to the others." Which is why I'm considering it. Plus, it's a Triumph, which for reasons I can't quite explain, is just _cool_. Fish. all about the cool From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:56:28 2004 Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Mar 2004 10:53:03 -0500 On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 10:43, rich hall wrote: > I only get maybe 4 miles of 66, they were nice and open, Fridays are always > the best traffic days going in. > I'm guessing you live too close to work ;-) I think I'm getting 30 or so miles on 95/395. Most mornings it's a very nice ride. Occasionally there's some issue on the Rooseveldt bridge/Washington Blvd exit which backs up traffic for a couple of miles. Nothing like that this week though. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:57:44 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:55:47 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-BMW" , "List-dc cycles" , "list-potomacvintageriders@XXXXXX" CC: "list-mc-trials" , "list-nvtr" , "List-Safety" Subject: GhostRider robot motorcycle GhostRider robot motorcycle http://www.ghostriderrobot.com Check out the video of how it balances itself. All autonomous. It's part of the DARPA Grand Challenge http://www.grandchallenge.com Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 10:58:31 2004 Subject: Re: Shoppin'! From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Mar 2004 10:55:06 -0500 On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 10:49, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > > > That will largely depend on your two wheel modus operandi. How do you > > intend to use the new scoot? > > Primarily commuting -- 30 miles, give or take, almost exclusively highway. > Track days are not likely, but I wouldn't mind getting into more weekend > riding or touring. (Touring sounds interesting -- I'd like to try a Saddle > Sore at some point, but a not-entirely-reliable unfaired GS is possibly > not the proper ride for that.) Fairings/Windshields aren't all that necessary, IMO. I agree on reliability, though they make for some of the best stories ;-) > > > which word processor will you use to make up the list ;-) > > vi, if you must know. But then, I'm not a lawyer. > You da man. > Fish. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 11:02:34 2004 Cc: DC-Cycles From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:02:28 -0500 To: Fish Flowers You may be interested in the following comparison, then: http://www.riderreport.com//output.cfm?id=775099 - Steve On Mar 12, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Fish Flowers wrote: > Well, I've finally decided that it's probably time to retire the GS500s > and step up/across to something else. Something new. (Not borrowed, but > maybe blue.) > > Currently in contention are the usual crop of midsized naked standards > (Speed Four, 599, SV650, whatever the Yamaha offering is called), or > maaaybe if I can swing the dough a sport-tourer. The FJR1300 looks most > pretty, and by all accounts is a sweet, sweet machine, but the wait > time > is daunting. > > Anyone have any comments or suggestions? > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 11:20:15 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:20:11 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Shoppin'! To: DC-Cycles Fish confessed to: >Primarily commuting -- 30 miles, give or take, almost >exclusively highway. Track days are not likely, but I >wouldn't mind getting into more weekend riding or touring. (Touring sounds interesting -- I'd like to try a Saddle >Sore at some point, but a not-entirely-reliable unfaired GS >is possibly not the proper ride for that.) [Dave] Well then... You'd be well advised to consider something that has a good reliability record, is comfy or can be made so relatively cheap. For the commuting, I like the fairing even on a sport bike... Every little bit makes a difference... Don't neglect the 1-3 year old scoots too, you can save on insurance... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 11:38:22 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:38:14 -0500 If buying new, good time of the year for leftovers from last yr. Course that rules out the Honda & Yamaha. Could also look at the Bandit 600. >From: Dave Yates >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Shoppin'! >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:20:11 -0500 > >Fish confessed to: > > >Primarily commuting -- 30 miles, give or take, almost > >exclusively highway. Track days are not likely, but I > >wouldn't mind getting into more weekend riding or touring. >(Touring sounds interesting -- I'd like to try a Saddle > >Sore at some point, but a not-entirely-reliable unfaired GS > >is possibly not the proper ride for that.) > >[Dave] Well then... You'd be well advised to consider >something that has a good reliability record, is comfy or can >be made so relatively cheap. > >For the commuting, I like the fairing even on a sport >bike... Every little bit makes a difference... > >Don't neglect the 1-3 year old scoots too, you can save on >insurance... >Dave Yates > _________________________________________________________________ One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page )B– download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:09:27 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:11:58 -0500 I like the SV1000S. On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:34:06 -0800 (PST), Fish Flowers wrote > Well, I've finally decided that it's probably time to retire the GS500s > and step up/across to something else. Something new. (Not borrowed, but > maybe blue.) > > Currently in contention are the usual crop of midsized naked standards > (Speed Four, 599, SV650, whatever the Yamaha offering is called), or > maaaybe if I can swing the dough a sport-tourer. The FJR1300 looks most > pretty, and by all accounts is a sweet, sweet machine, but the wait time > is daunting. > > Anyone have any comments or suggestions? > > Fish. -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:09:35 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:12:06 -0500 I like the SV1000S. On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:34:06 -0800 (PST), Fish Flowers wrote > Well, I've finally decided that it's probably time to retire the GS500s > and step up/across to something else. Something new. (Not borrowed, but > maybe blue.) > > Currently in contention are the usual crop of midsized naked standards > (Speed Four, 599, SV650, whatever the Yamaha offering is called), or > maaaybe if I can swing the dough a sport-tourer. The FJR1300 looks most > pretty, and by all accounts is a sweet, sweet machine, but the wait time > is daunting. > > Anyone have any comments or suggestions? > > Fish. -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:16:11 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:16:15 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday At 09:31 AM 3/12/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 08:04, Tom wrote: >> I for one will miss your postings. They have been informative, funny, >> and sometimes adventurous. > >Thank you. It's fun to have someone to share these things with. Being >with a group, even if virtual, gives me the opportunity to better my >riding skills, especially since I'm pretty much a lone rider. If it >wasn't for being able to share experiences, I might still be just >riding. Well, you can always post from Colorado. If it sounds nice enough, maybe we can all relocate out there too, and just say the list stands for "Denver City Cycles" instead? :^) >And we put the house on the market at 11:30 or so yesterday. By 3:30 we >had three calls. Two had visited the house and there was one more call >last night for an appointment today. Maybe you should raise the price... :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:20:22 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Shoppin'! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 10:49, Fish Flowers wrote: > > which word processor will you use to make up the list ;-) > > vi, if you must know. But then, I'm not a lawyer. But then vi isn't a word processor, either. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:24:00 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:22:12 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday At 09:54 AM 3/12/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 14:14, Mike Bartman wrote: >> Good job avoiding the tree cutter. > >Hey, I missed a comment here. Actually I had _begun_ to change lanes >when I saw the debris and the VDOT person. I basically just hitched a >little to the left to stay in the lane until I got by. Then I finished >the lane change. Not much to it, but still something worth mentioning. Well, I don't think I missed anything. The sign you reported said the shoulder was closed. The guy wasn't on the shoulder, he was in the lane. Yes, the sign should alert you to something odd ahead, but it wasn't accurate, hence the "good job". Tom apparently didn't note that detail in your report, hut then, you plonked him, so you didn't note his rude comments. ;^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:26:03 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:25:56 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Shoppin'! To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Currently in contention are the usual crop of midsized naked standards > (Speed Four, 599, SV650, whatever the Yamaha offering is called.... The 599 has carbs, rather than FI, which rules it out for me -- especially since the 919 lists for only $900 more. The Spped 4 looks great, but has a cramped near-sportbike riding position. The Speed Triple's ergos are much, much better. The FZ6 looks sweet, and possibly the best all-rounder in the category might be the V-Strom 650, if you want to consider such a configuration. Re-tuned SV engine, great ergos, great commuter machine. If you want to test ride the 919, let me know. Happy hunting, Fish! -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:27:29 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Shoppin'! To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Oops, forgot to mention the BMW 650s, if you like thumpers. Great, nimble commuter bikes. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:28:11 2004 From: To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:28:05 -0500 hey dumbass. That was a generalized statement. It's too bad you're so stupid someone has to spell it for to you. Christ almighty. > > From: Tom Gimer > Date: 2004/03/12 Fri AM 09:26:03 EST > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics > > i don't give a shit where you work or who you support. the > statement that "everyone else in the district/planet uses > word" is simply wrong. > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > Since my department is responsible for supporting their > > desktop applications and our SLA with them specifically > > states WP support as their primary word processing > > application, I'd say that my statement is true. > > > > Get your facts straight before you go spouting off > > someone is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > From: Tom Gimer > > > Date: 2004/03/12 Fri AM 07:58:57 EST > > > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics > > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > The Office of Corporate Council for the DC govenment, > > > > which consists of about 200+ lawyers insist on using > > WP. > > > > In fact the summer interns they get all use WP as > > well > > > > and don't have a clue on how to use Word. Odd. > > Everyone > > > > else in the District/planet uses Word. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:29:16 2004 Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Mar 2004 12:25:52 -0500 On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 12:16, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 09:31 AM 3/12/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > >On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 08:04, Tom wrote: > > >> I for one will miss your postings. They have been informative, funny, > >> and sometimes adventurous. > > > >Thank you. It's fun to have someone to share these things with. Being > >with a group, even if virtual, gives me the opportunity to better my > >riding skills, especially since I'm pretty much a lone rider. If it > >wasn't for being able to share experiences, I might still be just > >riding. > > Well, you can always post from Colorado. If it sounds nice enough, maybe > we can all relocate out there too, and just say the list stands for "Denver > City Cycles" instead? :^) > I'll certainly keep the touring page up to date so new adventures will be available. > >And we put the house on the market at 11:30 or so yesterday. By 3:30 we > >had three calls. Two had visited the house and there was one more call > >last night for an appointment today. > > Maybe you should raise the price... :^) > Today's appointment is faxing an offer over in an hour or so. I suspect we're a little low on the price as well :-) I dunno though, $245k for a 33 year old house sold as is does seem a tad high for Dale City. > -- Mike B. > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:31:34 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:31:31 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Shoppin'! On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > But then vi isn't a word processor, either. Hmm. True enough, I suppose, although it does everything I need a word processor to do. Who needs a spell checker when your spellign is awlays prefect? It could be worse; I could be using ed. ObMoto: Holy mother of Cthulhu, a six-plus month wait for an FJR? Fine, I guess, if you've a ride you're happy with until November, but I was sorta thinking within the next month or so. Crikey! Too bad. They really are beautiful bikes. Fish. command-line junkie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:39:50 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Shoppin'! On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > The 599 has carbs, rather than FI, which rules it out for me -- > especially since the 919 lists for only $900 more. And, actually, Crofton Powersports up on MD-3 had an '03 919 for marginally cheaper than the 599 a week or two ago. Hmm. > The Spped 4 looks great, but has a cramped near-sportbike riding > position. The Speed Triple's ergos are much, much better. ... but more expensive. I'm not fooling myself -- I'm po', and price is an issue. > The FZ6 looks sweet, and possibly the best all-rounder in the category > might be the V-Strom 650, if you want to consider such a configuration. Oh, hey, I'd forgotten about the V-Strom. Stupid name, but it looks like a really interesting bike... Anyone know of a good, reliable, friendly Suzuki dealer anywhere in the area? My local one (on Central Ave / MD-214) blows chunks, and I've heard enough horror stories about Coleman's that I'm not even going there. I avoid BMWs. I don't know why. Oh yeah, because I'm poor. Oh -- and thanks for the offer of a test ride on the 919! I may well take you up on that at some point. They look like a lot of fun. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 12:50:47 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suzuki Shop (was Shoppin'!) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:50:16 -0500 Champion in Herndon, is pretty good. >From: Fish Flowers >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Shoppin'! >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:39:43 -0800 (PST) > >Anyone know of a good, reliable, friendly Suzuki dealer anywhere in the >area? _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar )B– includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 13:07:23 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Suzuki Shop (was Shoppin'!) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:07:16 -0500 > > From: "rich hall" > Date: 2004/03/12 Fri PM 12:50:16 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Suzuki Shop (was Shoppin'!) > > Champion in Herndon, is pretty good. > > >From: Fish Flowers > >To: DC-Cycles > >Subject: Re: Shoppin'! > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:39:43 -0800 (PST) > > > >Anyone know of a good, reliable, friendly Suzuki dealer anywhere in the > >area? > > Where's Champion located? I'm only aware of Herndon Cyclesport and the Kawasaki dealer down from the police station. Did they change their name by chance? I'm all for more bike shops in the Herndon area. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 13:16:57 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:16:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride in yesterday To: Mike Bartman , Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 09:54 AM 3/12/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > >On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 14:14, Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> Good job avoiding the tree cutter. > > > >Hey, I missed a comment here. Actually I had _begun_ to > change lanes > >when I saw the debris and the VDOT person. I basically > just hitched a > >little to the left to stay in the lane until I got by. > Then I finished > >the lane change. Not much to it, but still something > worth mentioning. > > Well, I don't think I missed anything. The sign you > reported said the > shoulder was closed. The guy wasn't on the shoulder, he > was in the lane. > Yes, the sign should alert you to something odd ahead, > but it wasn't > accurate, hence the "good job". Tom apparently didn't > note that detail in > your report, hut then, you plonked him, so you didn't > note his rude > comments. ;^) trust me, i noticed the detail. and i stand by my remarks from down here in the trashbin. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 13:25:54 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Re: Suzuki Shop (was Shoppin'!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Champion is where Herndon Cycle Sport used to be. It's also owned by the former owner of Rhoads Cycles, so it's sort of a mix of everybody. Louis --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > Champion in Herndon, is pretty good. > > >Anyone know of a good, reliable, friendly Suzuki dealer anywhere in the > > >area? > Where's Champion located? I'm only aware of Herndon Cyclesport and the > Kawasaki dealer down from the police station. Did they change their name by > chance? > > I'm all for more bike shops in the Herndon area. > > -aki > > ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 13:30:35 2004 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: For Sale: '02 FZ1 and 6 x 12 x 6'-8" enclosed trailer Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:30:03 -0500 Hello DC-Cyclers, I have to sell my FZ1 and my racing trailer. Here are the basics: '02 FZ1 (Silver), 4000 miles, properly maintained, Akropovic CF slip-on, GYRT bar risers (makes the position not quite so sit-up and beg) - Asking $6000 '94(?) Timberwolfe (?) enclosed single axle trailer that has the side door and a fold up rear ramp door. It is 6' x 12' and has the extra high top (6' 8") so you can stand up in it. It is in good shape. I had the wheel bearings checked and repacked last spring. It is black and comes with 2 chocks, but 3 bikes can fit. I used it for 2 seasons racing - Asking $2500. Located near Fredericksburg, e-mail if interested I will get some pictures made and e-mail them upon request. Thanks, Dan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 13:33:21 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Suzuki Shop (was Shoppin'!) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:33:14 -0500 I don't get out there as much, used to work in Sterling, is the Kawaski place owned by Rhoads still there? >From: "Louis F. Caplan" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: Suzuki Shop (was Shoppin'!) >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:25:46 -0800 (PST) > >Champion is where Herndon Cycle Sport used to be. It's also owned by the >former owner of Rhoads Cycles, so it's sort of a mix of everybody. > >Louis > >--- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Champion in Herndon, is pretty good. > > > > >Anyone know of a good, reliable, friendly Suzuki dealer anywhere in >the > > > >area? > > > Where's Champion located? I'm only aware of Herndon Cyclesport and the > > Kawasaki dealer down from the police station. Did they change their >name by > > chance? > > > > I'm all for more bike shops in the Herndon area. > > > > -aki > > > > > > >===== >"Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA >Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation >http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster >http://search.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar )B– includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 13:46:45 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:46:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Re: Suzuki Shop (was Shoppin'!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- rich hall wrote: > I don't get out there as much, used to work in Sterling, is the Kawaski > place owned by Rhoads still there? I'm not sure. But when I called the number for Rhoads, I got Champion, and they told me to bring my bike in there. So my assumption is Rhoads in Sterling isn't there anymore. Champions sells Kawasakis, so maybe they didn't need two shops? Louis > >From: "Louis F. Caplan" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Re: Suzuki Shop (was Shoppin'!) > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:25:46 -0800 (PST) > > > >Champion is where Herndon Cycle Sport used to be. It's also owned by the > >former owner of Rhoads Cycles, so it's sort of a mix of everybody. > > > >Louis > > > >--- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Champion in Herndon, is pretty good. > > > > > > >Anyone know of a good, reliable, friendly Suzuki dealer anywhere in > >the > > > > >area? > > > > > Where's Champion located? I'm only aware of Herndon Cyclesport and the > > > Kawasaki dealer down from the police station. Did they change their > >name by > > > chance? > > > > > > I'm all for more bike shops in the Herndon area. > > > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > >"Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA > >Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation > >http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster > >http://search.yahoo.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar )B– includes FREE pop-up blocking! > http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ > ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 15:37:44 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:37:35 -0500 From: Skip To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suzuki Shop (was Shoppin'!) the kawa dealer on 606 is gone. rich hall wrote: > > I don't get out there as much, used to work in Sterling, is the Kawaski > place owned by Rhoads still there? > > >From: "Louis F. Caplan" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Re: Suzuki Shop (was Shoppin'!) > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:25:46 -0800 (PST) > > > >Champion is where Herndon Cycle Sport used to be. It's also owned by the > >former owner of Rhoads Cycles, so it's sort of a mix of everybody. > > > >Louis > > > >--- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Champion in Herndon, is pretty good. > > > > > > >Anyone know of a good, reliable, friendly Suzuki dealer anywhere in > >the > > > > >area? > > > > > Where's Champion located? I'm only aware of Herndon Cyclesport and the > > > Kawasaki dealer down from the police station. Did they change their > >name by > > > chance? > > > > > > I'm all for more bike shops in the Herndon area. > > > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > >"Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA > >Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation > >http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster > >http://search.yahoo.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar )B– includes FREE pop-up blocking! > http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 15:48:28 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Robert.Verde@XXXXXX'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:54:04 -0500 Robert, vexed, verily reported, "My daily ride, the 1983 Honda Interceptor, has developed a worrisome problem the past couple of weeks. Upon hard accelleration, usually in first or second gear, the bike will hesitate and then lurch forward, almost as if it had slipped a tooth or two on the chain. I had thought it was the clutch starting to show wear, however my only experience with slipping clutches has been in autos, where it usually results in the engine over-revving, and then a catch when the engine slows and the clutch re-engages." [Carl]: My first guess is fuel starvation. Pop the air box check to see if the new jet kit components still are all connected. While you're in there looking, start it up and see if all the sliders are lifting well and simultaneously. My second guess is electrical. Spark plugs under load sometimes don't fire as well. While you have the tank off, check and clean all of the connections: Coil to plugs, coil to ground, coil to igniters, igniters to the rest of the bike, blah, blah. Heck it's Spring. Time for all of us to clean the winter boogers out of the nether regions of our bikes and buff up all the electrical connectors. FWIW, I checked that $#%@ stuck relay & it's working just fine. Also checked to see if it could have been a short twixt the hot wire and the lights. Nope, all of the shrink wraps around the insulators were intact.) [RV]: The engine seems to build speed just fine, it almost feels like I'm skidding the rear wheel. Not so much hesitation, I guess, but certainly a strong jerk/lurch somewhere in the drive train. I now can induce the symptom at will; shift into second, whack open the throttle, smooth acceleration and then a harsh feeling of something not engaging/re-engaging almost immediately. [Carl]: Woo, that does sound like something in the drive train slipping. Ah well, you shoulda cleaned those connectors any way. [RV]: Engine idles fine and otherwise seems to be ticking over nicely. If I accelerate slowly (my normal mode) everything seems normal. Hitting the gas hard = erratic behavior from bike. Frankly, I'm getting a bit paranoid... Robert [Carl]: FWIW, I had bits peal off of my Barnett Kevlar clutch plates but didn't know it until I removed them for another reason. [RV]: I had the carbs synched after I switched to an aftermarket pipe and installed a jet kit, but again that was probably five thousand miles ago, with no issues. I had been running synthetic oil until three thousand ago, when I switched to Kendall dino fluid, but that doesn't seem to have had any ill effects until a couple of weeks ago. Just to be on the safe side I changed the oil last week, now it's a semi-synthetic, Racelube or whatever it's called now. Robert [Carl]: If I was you, I'd bug Curtis Hintze in Olney. He knows almost as much as Dave Dodge about V-4's. He's in town for ~ 2 weeks (pilots tugs 3weeks on, & 3 off) and does a little wrenching (Cheaper and more way fun than shops) to fund his drag racing addiction. Call him at (301) 529-9223. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 15:55:35 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:55:26 -0500 > > Robert, vexed, verily reported, > "My daily ride, the 1983 Honda Interceptor, has developed a worrisome > problem the past couple of weeks. Upon hard accelleration, usually in first > or second gear, the bike will hesitate and then lurch forward, almost as if > it had slipped a tooth or two on the chain. I had thought it was the clutch > starting to show wear, however my only experience with slipping clutches has > been in autos, where it usually results in the engine over-revving, and then > a catch when the engine slows and the clutch re-engages." > > [Carl]: My first guess is fuel starvation. > Pop the air box check to see if the new jet kit components still are all > connected. > While you're in there looking, start it up and see if all the sliders are > lifting well and simultaneously. heck..also try it without the airbox on. My V65 had a problem with air starvation because of the way the airbox was constructed. I had to drill some more holes through it so that it could suck in enough air under hard accelleration. If this has just recently started, you may just have something clogged up in there or even a clogged filter. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 16:51:57 2004 Subject: FW: Bike symptoms - Update Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:53:44 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com I've seen a number of posts today in reply to my earlier message about the Interceptor issues, but my update sent this morning doesn't seem to have made it to the list distro. Sorry for the overlap, as I suspect both will now show up! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Verde, Robert Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:22 AM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike symptoms - Update Well; the prognosis is not good. I was experimenting on the ride home last night, trying to figure out where the slippage was occurring, and I think I've narrowed it down. At this point I don't have much second gear at all, which seems to indicate transmission woes. Still works to downshift through the gears, and if I baby it, I can get a little bit of use out of second. Any real accelleration and evil things happen. :-( So, I guess I may have to consider getting a cage again... I do have a lead on a VF700 engine being offered for $200, so I may see if that's still available, swap that into the bike, and rebuild the 750 engine. Or, buy another bike altogether, maybe that dual-sport I've been looking at! Thanks for all the replies and tips on diagnosis, Brian Roach especially. Robert (Practising riding like a squid; and shifting smoothly between first and third...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 16:52:12 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:52:01 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding the Big Red Sail, was Re: RE: Story to go with pics X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 In a message dated 3/12/2004 9:41:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: > Paul in DC, who still remembers using WordStar WordStar!!! AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Scooter (won't sleep tonight dur to horrible flashbacks ;-)) PS. Sorry Harry, couldn't resist. LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 16:52:20 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:56:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Keep your eyes on the prize: If this *only* happens in 1st/2nd gears the problem is almost certainly in the drive train. If it's *usually* those gears (as stated below) there are many more possibilities. Then, check the simple stuff first (fouling plugs, sparks). --garcia "Bush didn't make up the intelligence reports of Iraqi wmd. He merely picked the version that justified his pre-existing intention to invade that country." writes: > >> Robert, vexed, verily reported, >> "My daily ride, the 1983 Honda Interceptor, has developed a worrisome >> problem the past couple of weeks. Upon hard accelleration, usually in >first >> or second gear, the bike will hesitate and then lurch forward, almost >as if >> it had slipped a tooth or two on the chain. I had thought it was the >clutch >> starting to show wear, however my only experience with slipping >clutches has >> been in autos, where it usually results in the engine over-revving, and >then >> a catch when the engine slows and the clutch re-engages." >> >> [Carl]: My first guess is fuel starvation. >> Pop the air box check to see if the new jet kit components still are all >> connected. >> While you're in there looking, start it up and see if all the sliders >are >> lifting well and simultaneously. > > >heck..also try it without the airbox on. My V65 had a problem with air >starvation because of the way the airbox was constructed. I had to drill >some more holes through it >so that it could suck in enough air under hard accelleration. If this >has just recently started, you may just have something clogged up in >there or even a clogged filter. > >-aki > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 18:46:53 2004 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: For sale: '02 FZ1 and enclosed trailer Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:46:20 -0500 Hello DC-Cyclers, I have to sell my FZ1 and my racing trailer. Here are the basics: '02 FZ1 (Silver), 4000 miles, properly maintained, Akropovic CF slip-on, GYRT bar risers (makes the position not quite so sit-up and beg) - Asking $6000 '94(?) Timberwolfe (?) enclosed single axle trailer that has the side door and a fold up rear ramp door. It is 6' x 12' and has the extra high top (6' 8") so you can stand up in it. It is in good shape. I had the wheel bearings checked and repacked last spring. It is black and comes with 2 chocks, but 3 bikes can fit. I used it for 2 seasons racing - Asking $2500. Located near Fredericksburg, e-mail if interested I will get some pictures made and e-mail them upon request. Thanks, Dan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 18:47:22 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:47:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > hey dumbass. That was a generalized statement. It's too > bad you're so stupid someone has to spell it for to you. > > Christ almighty. re-read your sentence and identify the dumb fuck in our presence. i simply point out that many people still rely upon (in fact love) WP, and look at all the panties getting bunched up. christ almighty is right. > > From: Tom Gimer > > Date: 2004/03/12 Fri AM 09:26:03 EST > > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics > > > > i don't give a shit where you work or who you support. > the > > statement that "everyone else in the district/planet > uses > > word" is simply wrong. > > > > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Since my department is responsible for supporting > their > > > desktop applications and our SLA with them > specifically > > > states WP support as their primary word processing > > > application, I'd say that my statement is true. > > > > > > Get your facts straight before you go spouting off > > > someone is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Tom Gimer > > > > Date: 2004/03/12 Fri AM 07:58:57 EST > > > > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics > > > > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Office of Corporate Council for the DC > govenment, > > > > > which consists of about 200+ lawyers insist on > using > > > WP. > > > > > In fact the summer interns they get all use WP as > > > well > > > > > and don't have a clue on how to use Word. Odd. > > > Everyone > > > > > else in the District/planet uses Word. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 19:38:53 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'Fish Flowers'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Shoppin'! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:38:39 -0500 > I avoid BMWs. I don't know why. Oh yeah, because I'm poor. I would maintain, sir, that unless the motorcycle is your sole source of transportation, that you are far from poor. The simple fact of expending discretionary income on a motorcycle (the mere fact that you have discretionary income is enough) raises you far above the "poor" level. This is not to say that you aren't busted on your ass and living paycheck to paycheck, but you aren't poor. Michael J. And yes, BMWs are expensive - just about as bad as Hardleys - but you do get an actual motorcycle for your cash. I was going to make a wise-assed comment about Harleys and their 1936 engine design, but BMW's boxer twin is just about as old (if not older). Never mind... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 19:42:04 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Shoppin'! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:41:55 -0500 > > I'd like to try a Saddle Sore at some point, but a > > not-entirely-reliable unfaired GS is possibly not the proper ride for that.) > > Fairings/Windshields aren't all that necessary, IMO. I agree > on reliability, though they make for some of the best stories ;-) Did my Saddlesore on an unfaired unwindshielded GSX1100G. Reliability is a nice feature, though... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 20:17:07 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:17:14 -0500 To: "Michael Jordan" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Shoppin'! At 07:38 PM 3/12/04 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >And yes, BMWs are expensive - just about as bad as Hardleys - but you do get >an actual motorcycle for your cash. You get an actual motorcycle either way...unlike a rice rocket that may be fast and flashy, but dies after a few years of riding, won't carry two adults in comfort more than a few miles (if that), and sounds like a pissed off bee in a can. >I was going to make a wise-assed comment about Harleys and their 1936 engine >design, but BMW's boxer twin is just about as old (if not older). My Harley's engine was first used in, I think, the 2000 or 2001 bikes (TC88B). The one before that was from the early 90s (Evo). Before that it was the crappy ones while the company was owned by the people who almost drove it out of business (and provided the rep you guys like to rag on about leaking oil and whatnot), and before that it was things like Panheads, Knuckleheads and whatever...many of which are still running decades later. Harleys have been using V-twin engines since the 30s (or maybe before, have to go look it up), but they haven't been the *same* V-twin engines, any more than today's Ford V8 is the same as the one in the 60s muscle cars. Ok, bad analogy...Harley's engines are getting better... :-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 20:26:38 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:26:29 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Michael Jordan wrote: > And yes, BMWs are expensive - just about as bad as Hardleys - but you do get > an actual motorcycle for your cash. Coolest thing ... we had a 20 year old K bike in the shop this week. The kickstand was linked to the clutch lever. As in ... get on bike, pull upright, pull clutch, kickstand retracts. I'm amazed no one else ever picked up on this ... Ducati in particular. Of course ... they would have sold a lot fewer left side replacement fairings :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 20:59:42 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:59:29 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: RE: Story to go with pics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX TG wrote: > i simply point out that many people still rely upon (in > fact love) WP... I am constantly amazed by the number of law offices (in IP, particularly) which still rely not merely on WP, but on WP 4.2! -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 21:28:33 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:28:32 -0500 To: Brian Roach From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:47 PM 3/12/04 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: > >Whie I hate stepping into a hoy war ... Wipe your feet before you go in the house... :^) >engineering. Same goes for a sportbike. You get state of the art >performance and handling - the cutting edge technology available for >motorcycles today. No, the cutting edge of technology for *sport* motorcycles today. One man's pinnacle is another man's PITA. >> My Harley's engine was first used in, I think, the 2000 or 2001 bikes >> (TC88B). The one before that was from the early 90s (Evo). Before that it >> was the crappy ones while the company was owned by the people who almost >> drove it out of business (and provided the rep you guys like to rag on >> about leaking oil and whatnot), and before that it was things like >> Panheads, Knuckleheads and whatever...many of which are still running >> decades later. > >And they are all evolutionary rather than revolutionary. You and I are the same way. What's wrong with that? Seems to have worked fine for the last few billion years. If you want revolutionary for Harley, go look at a V-Rod. The engine is a Porche/Harley mod of the VR-1000 race engine. >rubber-mounts on dynas) is that they added a second cam. The TC88B >(yours) added a couterbalancer so it didn't act like a paint shaker when >put in the softtail's rigid mount frame. This is not exacty ground >breaking technology as everyone else adopted it two decades ago. The Who said it was ground breaking? I said it wasn't the same engine, and it isn't. >only thing that comes close to being with the times is the available >fuel injection, which is actually quite good (and quite Japanese, like >the suspension). Mine has EFI, but that's not Japanese at all. Fuel injection has been around for many decades...just not on motorcycles until Honda tried it first in the early 80s (outside of racing teams anyway). Chevy had mechanical fuel injection in cars as far back as 1957, and VW had electronic fuel injection in the late 60s. It's been around in diesel engines for almost 100 years. >Revolutionary for Harley is the V-Rod. It actually is a fairly modern >design using water cooling and dual overhead cam, 4 valve heads. Of >course, Porsche designed the motor for them :D Actually, Porsche helped them turn a design they already had for a race motor (VR-1000) into one that would work for a street bike (lower cost, longer lasting between maintenance, etc.). >Either way, you're paying a premium for image, not technology. Actually, they can be cheaper in the long run. They hold value *very* well. Bikes from the 90s are selling for only a grand or two less than they did originally, and not too much less than the new ones today. I could have bought a Harley in, say, '95, ridden it until today, and sold it for a few thousand less than I paid for it (if well maintained). Ads I looked at when I was waiting for mine to arrive last summer showed similar bikes in that age range with asking prices in the $13K to $15 range...new ones are about $18K. Even if you add in taxes, delivery charges, and whatever it's still not a bad cost for 9 years of riding, and less than the cost of a $8K bike that only lasts 9 years and has almost no residual value. >(Who has owned, and likes Harleys ... but sees them as they are) Me too. For the kind of riding I like to do, a Harley is pretty much ideal. I've owned a Yamaha enduro (other than the vibration of the thumper engine, pretty comfy actually, though I never tried it 2-up), and a Honda street bike (not all that comfy really, especially 2-up). My Heritage carries me and my tall (5'10") GF without a complaint and without crowding. Is it suitable for a track day? Highly unlikely, but then, neither am I. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 21:51:20 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:51:45 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Bartman wrote: >If you want revolutionary for Harley, go look at a V-Rod. The engine is a >Porche/Harley mod of the VR-1000 race engine. > >Actually, Porsche helped them turn a design they already had for a race >motor (VR-1000) into one that would work for a street bike (lower cost, >longer lasting between maintenance, etc.). Eh...the V-Rod's engine was merely "inspired" by the VR-1000 engine...they are both V-Twins - all real similarities end there... - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 22:13:14 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:13:03 EST Subject: Re: Bike symptom diagnosis assistance? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/12/2004 9:55:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > 2nd gear is shot. if you're really attached to it, you can pull the engine > and > trans and send them to Dave Dodge in NC. he can ?undercut? the gears and > save > your bike. Or you could just put in a new second gear and its mate (Not the gear mate, the locking mate next to it.) New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 22:19:27 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:19:05 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shoppin'! (I sent this from the wrong address, so the list rejected it ... Mike got it directly and replied to it thinking it had made it ... sorry for the confusion) Whie I hate stepping into a hoy war ... Mike Bartman wrote: > You get an actual motorcycle either way...unlike a rice rocket that may be > fast and flashy, but dies after a few years of riding, won't carry two > adults in comfort more than a few miles (if that), and sounds like a pissed > off bee in a can. A real sports car (say, a Porsche 911GT2) isn't very comfortable to drive for a long distance, and two people are fairly close quartered in it. Doesn't make it any less the pinnacle of automotive performance and engineering. Same goes for a sportbike. You get state of the art performance and handling - the cutting edge technology available for motorcycles today. > My Harley's engine was first used in, I think, the 2000 or 2001 bikes > (TC88B). The one before that was from the early 90s (Evo). Before that it > was the crappy ones while the company was owned by the people who almost > drove it out of business (and provided the rep you guys like to rag on > about leaking oil and whatnot), and before that it was things like > Panheads, Knuckleheads and whatever...many of which are still running > decades later. And they are all evolutionary rather than revolutionary. They are all push-rod, two-valve motors which were derived from the previous design (much like your Ford analogy). The "Evolution" big-twin which was their first motor after buying the company back from AMF points this out - they fixed the problems with the previous big V-twin. The "big innovation" in the TC88 (the motor prior to yours used with rubber-mounts on dynas) is that they added a second cam. The TC88B (yours) added a couterbalancer so it didn't act like a paint shaker when put in the softtail's rigid mount frame. This is not exacty ground breaking technology as everyone else adopted it two decades ago. The only thing that comes close to being with the times is the available fuel injection, which is actually quite good (and quite Japanese, like the suspension). Revolutionary for Harley is the V-Rod. It actually is a fairly modern design using water cooling and dual overhead cam, 4 valve heads. Of course, Porsche designed the motor for them :D Either way, you're paying a premium for image, not technology. - Roach (Who has owned, and likes Harleys ... but sees them as they are) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 22:33:40 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:33:23 EST Subject: Re: Riding the Big Red Sail, was Re: RE: Story to go with pics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/12/2004 4:52:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: > > Paul in DC, who still remembers using WordStar Oh lord so do I. Wordstar III, and then Wordstar IV (As I recall the serial # on my copy of IV is 7 (I still have it)) Of course I remember typewriters and (moto content) points also. Lord help my old ass. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 12 22:35:28 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:35:17 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: Mike Bartman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Mike Bartman wrote: >>engineering. Same goes for a sportbike. You get state of the art >>performance and handling - the cutting edge technology available for >>motorcycles today. > No, the cutting edge of technology for *sport* motorcycles today. > > One man's pinnacle is another man's PITA What do you think convinced Harley to go to EFI? Profit margin? The development of these systems on high-performance sport bikes (and racing/GP) is directly responsible. Same deal with disc brakes three decades ago. >>And they are all evolutionary rather than revolutionary. > > You and I are the same way. What's wrong with that? Seems to have worked > fine for the last few billion years. See: Dinosaur. :D > Actually, they can be cheaper in the long run. They hold value *very* > well. Again ... completely due to a price artificially bolstered by image coupled with an artificially created short supply and little in the way of new features on subsequent models, and nothing else. Other bikes don't hold their value as well for the same reason every other vehicle on the planet other than a harley doesn't hold value - they are mass-produced, and the next model generally offers something the old one doesn't, making it more desirable and the previous one less so. If the economy hadn't been booming for the last decade or so prior to the recent falling off a cliff, I'd be curious as to how well Harley's comeback would have been. The Suburban CEO wasn't always their target audience. > For the kind of riding I like to do, a Harley is pretty much > ideal. I've owned a Yamaha enduro (other than the vibration of the thumper > engine, pretty comfy actually, though I never tried it 2-up), and a Honda > street bike (not all that comfy really, especially 2-up). My Heritage > carries me and my tall (5'10") GF without a complaint and without crowding. > Is it suitable for a track day? Highly unlikely, but then, neither am I. No, a cruiser is ideal. Not a Brand of cruiser. Take a Yamaha V-Star, for example. Lower price than a Harley, modern technology, better performance, etc. It isn't a Harley, though ... which makes it a "Jap Cruiser" to the faithful. Image is everything and H-D knows that. They have *brilliantly* marketed that image for the last 15 years and been very successfully. They make equal amounts of profit these days from their *clothing lines* as they do their motorcycles. I loved my Dyna ... it was a good Cruiser. I always wanted a Harley ... because it was a Harley. I felt silly when I paid $14k for it, then I got it out of my system and sold it :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 10:34:16 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:33:53 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Michael Jordan wrote: > Did my Saddlesore on an unfaired unwindshielded GSX1100G. That was still a very cool bike. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 10:38:41 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:38:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Mike Bartman CC: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Mike Bartman wrote: > > Before that it > was the crappy ones while the company was owned by the people who almost > drove it out of business (and provided the rep you guys like to rag on > about leaking oil and whatnot) I dunno, Mike. I know a couple of people who still try to ride serious miles on modern Harleys and they have plenty of stories to tell about leaks, losing fasteners, motors going belly-up, etc. H-D's lousy rep is alive and well. They still make some of the most beautiful almost-functional bikes on the planet. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 10:56:27 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: Subject: RE: Shoppin'! Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:56:16 -0500 > That was still a very cool bike. Whaddaya mean "was"? It's still going strong. While the new Vstrom is presently taking center stage, the GSX will still flatten your eyeballs when you hit the throttle. Not sure where all of the "V-Twin Torque" that everyone talks about is - sure can't find it on the 'Strom. It would absolutely suck on Leon's circles, though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 11:04:17 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:04:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Michael Jordan wrote about the V-Strom: > It would absolutely suck on Leon's circles, though. Why, exactly? You've got tons of ground clearance, right? Oh wait, I get it. New-bike-itis. Dont' want to toss it down in front of friends, I'll bet. I've BTDT. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 12:29:24 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:29:33 -0500 To: Brian Roach From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 10:35 PM 3/12/04 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >Mike Bartman wrote: > >>>engineering. Same goes for a sportbike. You get state of the art >>>performance and handling - the cutting edge technology available for >>>motorcycles today. > >> No, the cutting edge of technology for *sport* motorcycles today. >> >> One man's pinnacle is another man's PITA > >What do you think convinced Harley to go to EFI? Profit margin? Nah, probably the looming threat of the EPA and a rapidly increasing "non-wrenching" clientele that don't want to mess with chokes and petcocks and whatever. >>>And they are all evolutionary rather than revolutionary. >> >> You and I are the same way. What's wrong with that? Seems to have worked >> fine for the last few billion years. > >See: Dinosaur. :D That's called "evolution". They didn't pass muster. Sure, they were around for 300 million years, but in all that time did they set up a space program that could turn away the inevitable incoming asteroid? Nope. They just sat around, ate, slept, fought, and generally enjoyed themselves. They didn't put their efforts into the *really* important things, like growing larger brains and inventing space travel, and they got wiped out as a result. We seem to be related to them from what I've seen over the last 30 years... >> Actually, they can be cheaper in the long run. They hold value *very* >> well. > >Again ... completely due to a price artificially bolstered by image >coupled with an artificially created short supply and little in the way >of new features on subsequent models, and nothing else. You mean they did it by providing what enough people wanted? What's wrong with that? It's called "capitalism", and it's the reason that we aren't starving in cold houses in the winter, like most of the world is. As for short supply, Harley is selling over 40% of the bikes sold in the USA all by itself. They are making more this year than ever before...and they are all selling. There is a guy in the local HOGs club who is a salesman at Battley. He said with the large increase in their allotment this year he was expecting there to be a glut of bikes to sell...but there isn't. They've sold almost all of them. He's got only two Road King Classics to last the rest of the '04 model year for instance. They sold out the '03s in most cases before the '04s came out...why I have an '04 rather than an '03. They made more '03s than any model year ever too. The short supply isn't due to Harley holding back, it's due to high demand and their inability to meet it. You may not understand why this demand exists, or agree with the reasons if you do understand, but it does exist and those providing it are very happy with it the way it is. If you are lamenting the fact that things could be much better, technically, if only those in the know got to determine what was for sale, you'll understand how I feel about personal computers and the whole desktop part of the market...the saddest excuse for a PC got adopted as the standard, and a crappy, bug-ridden, unsecure, OS came with it. There were, and are, much better choices, but for various economic, cultural, and psychological reasons they didn't get chosen to be the standard in that market segment. Happens all the time when you let people other than engineers determine what "wins" in the marketplace. >Other bikes >don't hold their value as well for the same reason every other vehicle >on the planet other than a harley doesn't hold value - they are >mass-produced, and the next model generally offers something the old one >doesn't, making it more desirable and the previous one less so. Harleys are mass produced too, and each year they add some change that enhances things for the new buyers. Mine has a TC88B motor, with EFI, and decent brakes. 5 years ago it wasn't available in that form...though the same model name existed. Kind of like the Ford Mustang...the current model isn't like the one 5 years ago either, and neither is much like the original pony car. New models crop up from time to time, and old ones disappear (the Heritage Springer isn't made as of '04 for instance, but there's a new Road King (the Custom)). The new Sportsters are very different from the old ones as well. I suspect a lot of it is just familiarity with the market segment you like best. All Harleys may look alike to you, just as most Jap sport bikes look alike to me. >Image is everything and H-D knows that. They have *brilliantly* marketed >that image for the last 15 years and been very successfully. They make >equal amounts of profit these days from their *clothing lines* as they >do their motorcycles. Yep. I own several examples of it, and it's all well made stuff. Some folks buy it because it has "H-D" on it. I actually bought it despite that. :-) >I loved my Dyna ... it was a good Cruiser. I always wanted a Harley ... >because it was a Harley. I felt silly when I paid $14k for it, then I >got it out of my system and sold it :) Time will tell, but I like riding my Heritage a lot more than I did riding my Honda. The Yamaha was a whole different experience, so it doesn't count (dirt and street aren't at all the same thing ;^) If I ever end up with a lot of land, or living out west where there are lots of places to ride off road, I'd probably get another enduro, perhaps even a Yamaha. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 14:13:45 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: Subject: Circles Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:13:33 -0500 > Michael Jordan wrote about the V-Strom: > > > It would absolutely suck on Leon's circles, though. > > Why, exactly? You've got tons of ground clearance, right? > Oh wait, I get it. New-bike-itis. Dont' want to toss it > down in front of friends, I'll bet. I've BTDT. :) > > Hork Actually, the 'Strom does pretty well in the circles. Good low speed handling and a tight turning radius. The GSX, however, is an absolute pig at low speeds and tight radii. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 14:20:03 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:20:26 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Circles Mike J. wrote: >Actually, the 'Strom does pretty well in the circles. Good low speed >handling and a tight turning radius. I found this out when I rode the bike back in December - the bike was so well balanced at ultra-slow speeds (0-1mph), it almost felt like you could turn it around without having any forward momentum! - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 15:11:25 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:11:17 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: CBR Battery question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What is the best way to test and see if a battery is holding a charge. My CBR battery doesn't seem to be working very well. While I can charge it on my charger, the gauge isn't working and I can't tell how much it's actually charged. When I pull it off the charger, the bike turns over and fires up. After 5 min of riding though, the revs start to lag and the bike begins to stumble and die. After a couple more minutes the bike will stall out and die completely. Does this seem typical of a weak battery, perhaps too worn to be recharged? Or is there some other potential electrical problem at hand here? Thanks Adam Several GS500s, Honda CBR F1, Yamaha YZ465 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 15:13:37 2004 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bumper car Beijing Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:07:30 -0500 Traffic? Qwitcherbellyaking. "Chinese Take Recklessly to Cars (Just Count the Wrecks)" http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/12/international/asia/12BEIJ.html (may require registration) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I dunno. Pretty familiar conditions. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 16:15:17 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: CBR Battery question Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:15:06 -0500 > What is the best way to test and see if a battery is holding > a charge. My CBR battery doesn't seem to be working very > well. While I can charge it on my charger, the gauge isn't > working and I can't tell how much it's actually charged. > When I pull it off the charger, the bike turns over and fires > up. After 5 min of riding though, the revs start to lag and > the bike begins to stumble and die. After a couple more > minutes the bike will stall out and die completely. > Does this seem typical of a weak battery, perhaps too worn to > be recharged? Or is there some other potential electrical > problem at hand here? Sounds like a regulator problem - the battery charges offline, but not on the bike. You shouldn't need a battery once the engine is up and running - it should make all of the electricity (and then some) that it needs. Sean - you wanna chime in on this?? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 17:30:47 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:30:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Circles Michael Jordan wrote: > Actually, the 'Strom does pretty well in the circles. Good low speed > handling and a tight turning radius. > > The GSX, however, is an absolute pig at low speeds and tight radii. > > Michael J. Ahh, my bad. However, the same has been said about the Concours at low speeds and tight turns. ;) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 18:16:29 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:16:26 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Shoppin'! On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Michael Jordan wrote: > I would maintain, sir, that unless the motorcycle is your sole source of > transportation, that you are far from poor. As it happens, sir, the motorcycle is my sole source of transportation. Okay, fine, I may not be below-the-poverty-line poor, but that said I still cannot justify the expense of a BMW (or Harley, for that matter). Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 19:51:32 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:51:32 -0500 To: DC-Cycles Unless the difference of a few grand is insignificant to you, buying the F650GS/CS makes no sense. There's nothing about it that makes me think it would be more comfortable or last longer than an FZ6 or SV650 (nevermind the ways in which those bikes are better). And if you're in the market for a Beemer, then the base R1150R is just $1500 or so more, and it's a "real" BMW. On Mar 13, 2004, at 6:16 PM, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Michael Jordan wrote: > >> I would maintain, sir, that unless the motorcycle is your sole source >> of >> transportation, that you are far from poor. > > As it happens, sir, the motorcycle is my sole source of transportation. > > Okay, fine, I may not be below-the-poverty-line poor, but that said I > still cannot justify the expense of a BMW (or Harley, for that matter). > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 20:53:12 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:50:59 -0500 Subject: H-D, Bartman, etc From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well lets see now--another round of bashing Harley Davidson and Bartman. Check the facts folks. H-D is, overall, the least expensive bike on this list to own. Figure purchase price, upkeep, resale. Also you might want to check the Ironbutt website for the number of HD riders who have completed the various levels(they don't all travel on trailers) Hard to do a saddlesore, or a bunburner on an unreliable motorcycle ridden by a poser. I have in my garage a Honda Gold Wing and a HD Soft Tail. They have been there since last October when two guys from Germany who are on a round the world trip left them here for me to store until they resume the trip in May. The HD will start--the Honda won't. You may not appreciate the viability of proven technology as opposed to cutting edge stuff, but the point is--it is proven. Bartman has never used personal attacks, vulgar language, or insults to further his cause. He is, I gather, a retread rider who joined this group because he is a rider, rather than than joining any number of HD lists who spend hours congratulating themselves on the most recent purchase of safety chrome, or loud pipes. He has shared his enthusiasm for his new bike, as have many of you. I celebrate his return to two wheels--you should too. Nobody asks any of you to justify your choice of bikes day after day. Why should Bartman have to? He has made his choice and is enjoying it--why is this a problem for some of you? This dc-cycles, not dc sportbikes, or dc-cruisers, or dc-sqiuds, or dc-dual sports. Chill out and go for a ride. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 21:29:13 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:29:10 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: mc escorts needed - limousine MJ Marketing needs 2 to 4 motorcycle escorts starting Sunday & Monday for a promotional limousine for Ted Airlines (United discount air carrier). call Robin at 301-365-9631 don't know anything about this, just passing it along. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 23:42:49 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Shoppin'! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Michael Jordan wrote: > > > I would maintain, sir, that unless the motorcycle is your sole source > of > > transportation, that you are far from poor. > > As it happens, sir, the motorcycle is my sole source of transportation. > I would actually modify the question a touch. If you are forced to ride a motorcycle due to financial situations, then you are poor. Sell your computer ;-) However, if you solely ride a motorcycle by choice having given up your 4+ wheeled non-public transportation, then you are not poor. Choosy perhaps. But not poor. > Okay, fine, I may not be below-the-poverty-line poor, but that said I > still cannot justify the expense of a BMW (or Harley, for that matter). > Of course this is all in jest. You are the best judge of your finances. If you don't _want_ a Harley, BMW or Hayabusa; that's your choice. I know _I_ won't look down on you ;-) > Fish. > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 13 23:47:32 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:47:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Bob McKeithen breathed a little springtime fresh air into the dusty, musty dc-sportbikes^Wcycles list and uttered: > This dc-cycles, not dc sportbikes, or dc-cruisers, or dc-sqiuds, or > dc-dual sports. Chill out and go for a ride. > Now you've done it. The list'll be quiet for a couple of days again :-) Nice day for a short ride while making the house presentable. > Bob > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 00:10:30 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:10:13 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In case anyone was in doubt I would like to point out that my motorcycles kick ass any yours suck! Thank you, Hugh ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 00:48:39 2004 From: David Cross Subject: MotoGP Movie Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:48:31 -0500 To: dccycles Forgive me if this has been posted already . . . Big Screen MotoGP Movie: Details here: http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=8697 or skip straight to the trailer: http://www.fastermovie.com/trailer.html Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 01:30:38 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:31:05 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: CBR Battery question Definitely sounds like a problem with the charging system - and, as has been noted quite recently, certain models of Honda's from the late 80's/early 90's are notorious for regulator/rectifier failures. What year/model CBR are we talking about? Do you have a shop manual? - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 01:44:23 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:44:51 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: MV Agusta siting Well...not quite. This summer's Will Smith blockbuster, "I, Robot" is based on the Asimov short story collection of the same name. Just watched the trailer, and it has Mr. Smith riding what appears to be an MV Agusta. Bike = cool Will Smith action flick based on Asimov = Eh.....Well, the only thing the movie probably has in common with the original book is the 3 Laws of Robotics, and even then, the trailer has paraphrased them as "They cannot hurt us. They must do as we say. They can defend themselves." Hm...... http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/i_robot/ - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 01:44:54 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:45:22 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Er.... Make that "MV Agusta SIGHTING". D'oh. - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 03:19:25 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:19:17 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: CBR Battery question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks for the responses. This is a 1989 Honda CBR 600F. I do have a Clymers shop manual but it's in DC and the bike and I are in Los Angeles for the semester. I'll likely be able to get it sent out here though. Adam --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Definitely sounds like a problem with the charging > system - and, as has > been noted quite recently, certain models of Honda's > from the late > 80's/early 90's are notorious for > regulator/rectifier failures. What > year/model CBR are we talking about? Do you have a > shop manual? > > - Sean Jordan > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 06:54:37 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: H-D, Bartman, etc Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:54:24 -0500 > In case anyone was in doubt I would like to point out that my > motorcycles kick ass and yours suck! > > Thank you, > Hugh What a coincidence! I was going to say the same thing. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 06:54:49 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:54:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc To: Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Bob McKeithen wrote: > Well lets see now--another round of bashing Harley > Davidson and > Bartman. Check the facts folks. i just re-read the threads and saw no such bashing. > H-D is, overall, the least expensive bike on this list to > own. Figure > purchase price, upkeep, resale. which h-d will beat out a suzuki sv650 in this regard? or a cbr600? or any number of other reasonably priced, incredibly low-maintenance, japanese machines? have you factored in initial purchase price? finance charges? insurance? service intervals? if you had, i think you'd have concluded otherwise. > Also you might want to > check the > Ironbutt website for the number of HD riders who have > completed the > various levels(they don't all travel on trailers) Hard to > do a > saddlesore, or a bunburner on an unreliable motorcycle > ridden by a > poser. I have in my garage a Honda Gold Wing and a HD > Soft Tail. They > have been there since last October when two guys from > Germany who are > on a round the world trip left them here for me to store > until they > resume the trip in May. The HD will start--the Honda > won't. You may not > appreciate the viability of proven technology as opposed > to cutting > edge stuff, but the point is--it is proven. > > Bartman has never used personal attacks, vulgar language, > or insults to > further his cause. i recall more than one personal, insulting attack from mr. bartman. as for a lack of vulgarity, you are correct. he offends by quantity, not quality. > He is, I gather, a retread rider who > joined this > group because he is a rider, rather than than joining any > number of HD > lists who spend hours congratulating themselves on the > most recent > purchase of safety chrome, or loud pipes. i've got $500 that says he is a member of other such lists. > He has shared his enthusiasm > for his new bike, as have many of you. I celebrate his > return to two > wheels--you should too. Nobody asks any of you to justify > your choice > of bikes day after day. Why should Bartman have to? He > has made his > choice and is enjoying it--why is this a problem for some > of you? no problem here.... > This dc-cycles, not dc sportbikes, or dc-cruisers, or > dc-sqiuds, or > dc-dual sports. Chill out and go for a ride. heading out to the va/wva mountains..... -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 07:00:43 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Shoppin'! Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:00:29 -0500 > > Okay, fine, I may not be below-the-poverty-line poor, but that said I > > still cannot justify the expense of a BMW (or Harley, for that matter). I'm doing OK money wise and I can't even RATIONALIZE the cost of a BMW or Harley, much less justify it. That's probably why there are so many kinds of motorcycles available. All we need now is for Ford and Chevy to introduce motorcycles into their lineups and we'll get a whole new crop of "my bike is better than your bike" types. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 07:02:48 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'List-dc cycles'" Subject: RE: mc escorts needed - limousine Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:02:36 -0500 > MJ Marketing needs 2 to 4 motorcycle escorts starting Sunday > & Monday for a promotional limousine for Ted Airlines (United > discount air carrier). call Robin at 301-365-9631 > > don't know anything about this, just passing it along. Wow! An escort service! Michael J. (no affiliation with MJ Marketing) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 10:00:14 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:59:54 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX See below --- Bob McKeithen wrote: > Well lets see now--another round of bashing Harley > Davidson and > Bartman. Check the facts folks. > > H-D is, overall, the least expensive bike on this > list to own. Figure > purchase price, upkeep, resale. You've got numbers to back up this claim? I'd be willing to bet the average Harley owner has spent more money on their Harley then I have on my 98 VFR. Hell, I'm still on the original battery and its been sitting there a good two months. I know I can go out and it will start on first try, and easy too. I can't think of even one thing I've had to fix in six years of ownership. I'd also be willing to bet I pay less insurance then the average Harley owner and my record ain't clean either. >Also you might want to check the > Ironbutt website for the number of HD riders who > have completed the > various levels(they don't all travel on trailers) they don't? ;-) > Hard to do a > saddlesore, or a bunburner on an unreliable > motorcycle ridden by a > poser. I have in my garage a Honda Gold Wing and a > HD Soft Tail. They > have been there since last October when two guys > from Germany who are > on a round the world trip left them here for me to > store until they > resume the trip in May. The HD will start--the Honda > won't. You may not > appreciate the viability of proven technology as > opposed to cutting > edge stuff, but the point is--it is proven. > So you've got "a bike" of one manufacturer that won't start and this is your extensive scientific proof of reliability??? > Bartman has never used personal attacks, vulgar > language, or insults to > further his cause. He is, I gather, a retread rider > who joined this > group because he is a rider, rather than than > joining any number of HD > lists who spend hours congratulating themselves on > the most recent > purchase of safety chrome, or loud pipes. He has > shared his enthusiasm > for his new bike, as have many of you. I celebrate > his return to two > wheels--you should too. Nobody asks any of you to > justify your choice > of bikes day after day. Why should Bartman have to? > He has made his > choice and is enjoying it--why is this a problem for > some of you? > > This dc-cycles, not dc sportbikes, or dc-cruisers, > or dc-sqiuds, or > dc-dual sports. Chill out and go for a ride. > Good idea, see ya. Glenn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 12:42:08 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:41:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shoppin'! Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > Okay, fine, I may not be below-the-poverty-line poor, but that said I > > > still cannot justify the expense of a BMW (or Harley, for that matter). > > I'm doing OK money wise and I can't even RATIONALIZE the cost of a BMW or > Harley, much less justify it. MJ, Have you seen the article in MCN about the new Beemer R1200GS? They completely re-worked it. Sounds like they addressed all the reliability issues, driveshaft, tranny, surging, etc. etc. Of course, it could all be hype at this point, but if those changes make it to the other bikes in the lineup, a Beemer might actually be worth it's asking price... I figure I'll wait a few years, let the LD guys pound the snot out of 'em, and see. Kind of like what I'm doing with the FJR1300 now. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 13:08:52 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:12:34 -0500 Subject: Re: CBR Battery question To: From: "garcia oliver" Sounds like bad charging (probably but not necessarily the r/r) system AND bad battery (if it was fully charged off the bike)---bike should run a lot longer on a good battery. --garcia Another topic that, somehow, didn't make it into the Washington Post or NY ("All the News That's Fit to Print") Times: http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0309/p01s03-uspo.html "Michael Jordan" writes: >> What is the best way to test and see if a battery is holding >> a charge. My CBR battery doesn't seem to be working very >> well. While I can charge it on my charger, the gauge isn't >> working and I can't tell how much it's actually charged. >> When I pull it off the charger, the bike turns over and fires >> up. After 5 min of riding though, the revs start to lag and >> the bike begins to stumble and die. After a couple more >> minutes the bike will stall out and die completely. >> Does this seem typical of a weak battery, perhaps too worn to >> be recharged? Or is there some other potential electrical >> problem at hand here? > >Sounds like a regulator problem - the battery charges offline, but not on >the bike. > >You shouldn't need a battery once the engine is up and running - it should >make all of the electricity (and then some) that it needs. > >Sean - you wanna chime in on this?? > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 13:32:10 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Michael Jordan" , "'List-dc cycles'" Subject: RE: mc escorts needed - limousine Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:34:43 -0500 Wow an NBA superstar! Rob On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:02:36 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote > > MJ Marketing needs 2 to 4 motorcycle escorts starting Sunday > > & Monday for a promotional limousine for Ted Airlines (United > > discount air carrier). call Robin at 301-365-9631 > > > > don't know anything about this, just passing it along. > > Wow! An escort service! > > Michael J. > (no affiliation with MJ Marketing) -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 19:37:33 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:35:14 -0500 Subject: Never met him/don't own one From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX BTW--I have never met Bartman and don't own a Harley Davidson. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 22:39:51 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:39:31 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: garcia oliver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CBR Battery question garcia oliver wrote: > Sounds like bad charging (probably but not necessarily the r/r) system AND > bad battery (if it was fully charged off the bike)---bike should run a lot > longer on a good battery. Ding ding ding ding ding! We have a winner! You don't need a battery once the bike is started, nor do you need a charging system for a good number of miles if you have a good, fully charged battery. Before recent competition rules changes, it was quite common to run a "total loss" electrical system on a Superbike, where you remove the charging system to save weight (and plug the battery into a tender in the pits). The combination of a bad batery and a charging system problem will produce exactly what Adam is describing. Adam - the CBRs are renowned for chewing up regulator/rectifiers. More than likely that's the culprit in the charging system. You can test this by measuring the output side of the regulator with a volt meter. I don't have a manual for your bike in front of me so I can't tell you which wires are which, but usually you want to see 12+ volts DC at 6k RPM on most sportbikes on the output side. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 14 22:49:25 2004 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:49:16 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one Bob McKeithen wrote: > BTW--I have never met Bartman and don't own a Harley Davidson. I've never met Mike either, but I have owned a Harley Davidson (along with about a dozen other bikes) ... I also work on them for a living occasionally (we do those now ... lots of money in it). And I don't think I was attacking Mike at all. Just disagreeing with him over the technical merits of a 1450cc, two-valve, push-rod motor that produces 65hp being anything near modern technology :) Oh ... and since we upped the anty in the Holy war with re-sale value somehow coming into play... If I took the money I didn't spend on Image (HD Price - Yamaha cruiser price = $5k), and invested it during the same time period ... my profit (including the depreciation on the Yamaha) trumps no loss on resale of the Harley :D :D :D As far as reliability goes ... HD makes a fairly reliable product these days. But considering the technology being employed - it *should* be reliable. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 00:06:51 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:06:41 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Shoppin'! At 08:42 PM 3/13/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >If you don't _want_ a Harley, BMW or Hayabusa; that's your choice. I know _I_ >won't look down on you ;-) I don't know Carl, you're pretty tall... :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 00:32:33 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:32:59 -0500 To: Tom Gimer , Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc At 03:54 AM 3/14/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Bob McKeithen wrote: >> H-D is, overall, the least expensive bike on this list to >> own. Figure purchase price, upkeep, resale. > >which h-d will beat out a suzuki sv650 in this regard? or >a cbr600? or any number of other reasonably priced, >incredibly low-maintenance, japanese machines? > >have you factored in initial purchase price? finance >charges? insurance? service intervals? if you had, i >think you'd have concluded otherwise. I suspect you are forgetting to factor in the resale figure... Also, finance charges are dependent on there being financing, insurance costs vary with number of tickets gotten, not just with engine displacement, and most service on a H-D can be done at home (Harleys aren't that hard to work on...for one thing, most aren't covered in fairings that have to be removed to find the engine. Manual shows service every 5000 miles...but it's generally an oil change (all three kinds: engine, transmission and primary) and a bunch of inspections and control lubrications. Ok, the primary chain gets adjusted every 5000 miles too. Spark plugs are new every 10,000 miles. Fork oil is every 20,000 miles. Fuel filter every 25,000 miles. Steering head gets adjusted and lubed every 10,000 miles, with a teardown for lube and inspect every 30,000 miles. Battley's recommends a service every 2500 miles ($110), but it's a bunch of inspections and an engine oil change...they ran a free class back in October for HOG members to show them how to do this at home if they wanted to. Service intervals seem to be about the same as with my Jeep...where it's oil every 3000, minor service every 7500, semi-major every 15,000 and a major every 30,000. I suspect that most bikes have service requirements on about the same schedule as my H-D does...but I'm happy to read if someone wants to post theirs and it shows you can just ride 50,000 miles or whatever without going near a shop or a lift... >> Bartman has never used personal attacks, vulgar language, >> or insults to further his cause. > >i recall more than one personal, insulting attack from mr. >bartman. Correction: "counter-attacks". I've never "attacked" anyone here. I have, eventually, and after much provocation, said slightly rude things to you on occasion. That was before I started just deleting most of what you write without bothering to respond of course. >> He is, I gather, a retread rider who joined this >> group because he is a rider, rather than than joining any >> number of HD >> lists who spend hours congratulating themselves on the >> most recent purchase of safety chrome, or loud pipes. > >i've got $500 that says he is a member of other such lists. You lose. Pay the man. This is the only moto list I'm on. Don't you feel special? >> This dc-cycles, not dc sportbikes, or dc-cruisers, or >> dc-sqiuds, or >> dc-dual sports. Chill out and go for a ride. > >heading out to the va/wva mountains..... Is it a one way trip??? We can only hope... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 00:35:36 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:36:06 -0500 To: "Michael Jordan" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Shoppin'! At 07:00 AM 3/14/04 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >That's probably why there are so many kinds of motorcycles available. All we >need now is for Ford and Chevy to introduce motorcycles into their lineups >and we'll get a whole new crop of "my bike is better than your bike" types. I wonder if they'd use the same mottos as the cars do for those? Chevy's "Like a Rock" wouldn't really give the right impression for a bike. Ford's "Making you think quality is job one, is job one" doesn't even work well for the cars... What would a Ford or Chevy bike be like? Cup holders? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 00:40:05 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:40:35 -0500 To: Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one At 07:35 PM 3/14/04 -0500, Bob McKeithen wrote: >BTW--I have never met Bartman and don't own a Harley Davidson. Maybe we can fix one or both of those someday? :^) I've met a few of the listers now, either at the D.C. show or that recent ride. Seem like decent sorts for the most part. Of course, Gimmer wasn't there... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 01:12:53 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:13:16 -0500 To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one At 10:49 PM 3/14/04 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >Bob McKeithen wrote: >And I don't think I was attacking Mike at all. Just disagreeing with him >over the technical merits of a 1450cc, two-valve, push-rod motor that >produces 65hp being anything near modern technology :) Then you weren't disagreeing with me, because I never said it was. I said Harley wasn't using the same motor as they were decades ago...and they aren't. It's the same type of motor, and it has many of the same characteristics, but it's a new design, not the same old thing, which is what someone else was claiming. The 65 HP thing is just "as shipped". It doesn't take much to bump that up a fair bit (10% or more). A new air cleaner and rejetting or remapping will get you 70 hp and 80 ft/lbs at the rear wheel. Less restrictive pipes get you a bit more. If you want to start doing major changes, the parts are readily available. A guy in the local club just did the 103 stroker kit on his mid-90s Heritage...120 HP and 110 ft/lbs at the rear wheel. Custom mods by those who know what they are doing (nitrous, superchargers, etc.) can more than double that from reports I've seen on TV and in magazines. >Oh ... and since we upped the anty in the Holy war with re-sale value >somehow coming into play... If I took the money I didn't spend on Image >(HD Price - Yamaha cruiser price = $5k), and invested it during the same >time period ... my profit (including the depreciation on the Yamaha) >trumps no loss on resale of the Harley :D :D :D Depends what you invested it in. Harley stock was doing pretty well I hear... :-) Resale value comes into it when you start talking "cost of ownership". If it costs me $20,000 to buy A, and I can sell if for $18,000 when I'm done with it, but B costs me $10,000 and I can only get $1000 when I'm done with it, then A is cheaper...only cost me $2000, while B cost me $9000. Opportunity cost of A might be higher, depending on what else I might have used the money for in the mean time, but that gets into lots of "what if" scenarios, especially if one or both were financed, even if the terms were the same. >As far as reliability goes ... HD makes a fairly reliable product these >days. But considering the technology being employed - it *should* be >reliable. Exactly. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 06:14:50 2004 Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 15 Mar 2004 06:11:20 -0500 On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 00:32, Mike Bartman wrote: > This is the only moto list I'm on. Don't you feel special? > I'm on the British Suzuki GSXR list and the Colorado Honda Sport-Touring Association list. The interesting thing about the HSTA list is the number of rides that occur, even in the winter. They also have Maintenance days. Bring the bikes by and backyard mechanics who know how to do something show you how to do it on your own bike. > -- Mike B. > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 07:40:39 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 04:40:30 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 03:54 AM 3/14/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Bob McKeithen wrote: > > >> H-D is, overall, the least expensive bike on this list > to > >> own. Figure purchase price, upkeep, resale. > > > >which h-d will beat out a suzuki sv650 in this regard? > or > >a cbr600? or any number of other reasonably priced, > >incredibly low-maintenance, japanese machines? > > > >have you factored in initial purchase price? finance > >charges? insurance? service intervals? if you had, i > >think you'd have concluded otherwise. > > I suspect you are forgetting to factor in the resale > figure... nope. start with a low price and the resale price means diddly. take the sv. start at ~6K and rarely depreciate below 3k. you've completely dodged the initial purchase price issue. > Also, finance charges are dependent on there being > financing, insurance > costs vary with number of tickets gotten, not just with > engine > displacement, and most service on a H-D can be done at > home (Harleys aren't > that hard to work on...for one thing, most aren't covered > in fairings that > have to be removed to find the engine. are you suggesting that the h-d buyer should pay 100% cash? insurance costs should be evaluated from a baseline with no moving violations. i said service intervals. and those stated intervals notwithstanding, japanese bikes rarely even require service. in fact, both a kawasaki (sold) and a honda (stolen) got to ~30k without ever having had to have the valves adjusted. chains, sprockets, tires and oil. others' experiences tell me it wasn't luck. is your position really that removing fairings is difficult and time consuming and therefore harleys are cheaper to own? > Manual shows service every 5000 miles...but it's > generally an oil change > (all three kinds: engine, transmission and primary) and a > bunch of > inspections and control lubrications. Ok, the primary > chain gets adjusted > every 5000 miles too. Spark plugs are new every 10,000 > miles. Fork oil is > every 20,000 miles. Fuel filter every 25,000 miles. > Steering head gets > adjusted and lubed every 10,000 miles, with a teardown > for lube and inspect > every 30,000 miles. > > Battley's recommends a service every 2500 miles ($110), > but it's a bunch of > inspections and an engine oil change...they ran a free > class back in > October for HOG members to show them how to do this at > home if they wanted to. battley's blah blah blah battley's blah blah blah. let's hear some stats from harley owners who actually put mileage on their machines. what are the real costs of long term ownership? > Service intervals seem to be about the same as with my > Jeep...where it's > oil every 3000, minor service every 7500, semi-major > every 15,000 and a > major every 30,000. for your wallet's sake, i hope you don't reach those minor, semi-major and major intervals. battley's could be a law firm with those hourly rates. > I suspect that most bikes have service requirements on > about the same schedule as my H-D does...but I'm happy to > read if someone > wants to post theirs and it shows you can just ride > 50,000 miles or > whatever without going near a shop or a lift... see above > >> Bartman has never used personal attacks, vulgar > language, > >> or insults to further his cause. > > > >i recall more than one personal, insulting attack from > mr. > >bartman. > > Correction: "counter-attacks". I've never "attacked" > anyone here. I have, > eventually, and after much provocation, said slightly > rude things to you on > occasion. That was before I started just deleting most > of what you write > without bothering to respond of course. i think your first post to me was "kill all the lawyers" or some other shitheaded comment. > >> He is, I gather, a retread rider who joined this > >> group because he is a rider, rather than than joining > any > >> number of HD > >> lists who spend hours congratulating themselves on the > >> most recent purchase of safety chrome, or loud pipes. > > > >i've got $500 that says he is a member of other such > lists. > > You lose. Pay the man. well, well, well.... i figured as much as you like to see yourself speak that was an easy bet. no newsgroups either? your cash is at my office. perhaps it will cover a payment on your h-d? > This is the only moto list I'm on. Don't you feel > special? special? hmm... special like getting struck by lightning or catching a stray bullet? well, yes! how special. > >> This dc-cycles, not dc sportbikes, or dc-cruisers, or > >> dc-sqiuds, or > >> dc-dual sports. Chill out and go for a ride. > > > >heading out to the va/wva mountains..... > > Is it a one way trip??? We can only hope... nope, sorry. thank you, gerbings! -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 09:31:23 2004 Subject: RE: Shoppin'! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:31:12 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com I bit the bullet over the weekend, and bought a used dual-sport for 1,800.00. A 1988 Jeep Wrangler, actually... I'm now a cage-owner again. Not my ideal choice, but I rationalized by figuring the value for a vehicle to fetch and carry motorcycle parts when I undertake rebuilding the VF750's transmission. On the moto topic, I had been looking (read: drooling) at the new BMW 1200GS, but saw a Suzuki V-Strom 1000 at Loudon Motorsports; 8600.00 and they'll throw in the factory top-box and side-cases. They had even had a used one in until about a week ago, and said they only sell three or four of them a year. I think I'd be prepared to take somewhat less techno-magic than the BMW offers for the cost savings; the 1200GS MSRP is 15,200.00, and that's not even the "Adventure" model! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 6:16 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Shoppin'! On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Michael Jordan wrote: > I would maintain, sir, that unless the motorcycle is your sole source of > transportation, that you are far from poor. As it happens, sir, the motorcycle is my sole source of transportation. Okay, fine, I may not be below-the-poverty-line poor, but that said I still cannot justify the expense of a BMW (or Harley, for that matter). Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 09:44:18 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:43:52 -0500 From: Skip To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding the Big Red Sail, was Re: RE: Story to go with pics PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 3/12/2004 4:52:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Paul in DC, who still remembers using WordStar > > Oh lord so do I. Wordstar III, and then Wordstar IV (As I recall the serial > # on my copy of IV is 7 (I still have it)) > Of course I remember typewriters and (moto content) points also. > Lord help my old ass. heh. I still have both an IBM selectric and a manual typewriter -- just incase this whole internet thing doesn't work out. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 09:51:21 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , "Michael Jordan" , Subject: RE: Shoppin'! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:51:19 -0500 Chevy's would be better than any ford bike. See my father has worked for Chevy dealer for over 20 years. I probably know every "fall on the road dead, ect" saying their is. Then he got moved over to a Ford Dealer and bought a Mustang GT. So confused... I hate the dealers that own ever francise in the world. Automalls are evil. Rob "Fetal Postion, whimpiering, confused" Sharp On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:36:06 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > At 07:00 AM 3/14/04 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: > > >That's probably why there are so many kinds of motorcycles available. All we > >need now is for Ford and Chevy to introduce motorcycles into their lineups > >and we'll get a whole new crop of "my bike is better than your bike" types. > > I wonder if they'd use the same mottos as the cars do for those? Chevy's > "Like a Rock" wouldn't really give the right impression for a bike. > Ford's "Making you think quality is job one, is job one" doesn't > even work well for the cars... > > What would a Ford or Chevy bike be like? Cup holders? > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 09:51:35 2004 Subject: Rider down Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:56:05 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" I was invited to go out to 211 yesterday with a group of riders. I did not attend. According to what I heard, a young man, age 22, hit a guardrail and died instantly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 10:14:15 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:13:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles Subject: Fwd: MD2020 Registration Reminder DCC'ers, From the Long Distance Riders list. The MD2020 is an endurance rally based out of York, PA. Fellow DCC poster Louis Caplan and myself are part of the rally staff again this year. Hope to see some of you there! Horkster > I hate to interrupt these fascinating threads, but... > > There is one month left to register for the 2004 Mason > Dixon 20-20: the Games People Play. > We have selected some of the choicest locations from > the bounty of the eastern seaboard (steamed, flavored > with sesame seeds, whipped into a fondue, and > garnished with larks' vomit), as well as some real > lame-o ones up in the Appalachians [cue "dueling > banjos"]. > > What will it bring this year: phone calls from the > Angola Prison? Jim Owen looking for another > handbasket? Someone actually going to Key West and > making it? Or will the real key be in some long > forgotten childhood game from Jack Tollett's youth? > > Now in our 5th year, we are again collecting goodies > for the kids at the Johns Hopkins Childrens Center- > they do some amazing work there- ask any rider who > went to St Jude's Hospital in Memphis last year. > > This is one of your very few opportunities to ride a > multi-day rally this entire season and the only > american one east of the Rockies. More details are on > the website: http://www.md2020.org > > You may return to your regularly scheduled > discussions. > > Rick > > ===== > MSL(CM )B™) PDL Minister > "Enjoy every sandwich."- Warren Zevon 1947-2003 > > "The reason bad things happen to you is because you're a dumbass."- Red Foreman > Join Us http://www.md2020.org - The Games People Play > 01 ZG- Mr Freeze; 03 GL- Hmmbee. > -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 10:48:14 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:48:06 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Got your Harley(TM), chrome skullcap, leather vest and bad-boy sneer, but still feel just a little lacking when riding your brand new Fat Boy(TM) with the other guys from accounting? Make sure all the other CPAs and MBAs in your crew know who's the baddest mofo around! Sleeves Clothing: machine washable, wrinkle free hardcore street cred. http://www.sleevesclothing.com Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 10:56:59 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Chris Weaver'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:56:51 -0500 LOL the ultimate in posser attire. Hey then you can take the ol file to your knee pucks if you go out to the local starbucks. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:48 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. Got your Harley(TM), chrome skullcap, leather vest and bad-boy sneer, but still feel just a little lacking when riding your brand new Fat Boy(TM) with the other guys from accounting? Make sure all the other CPAs and MBAs in your crew know who's the baddest mofo around! Sleeves Clothing: machine washable, wrinkle free hardcore street cred. http://www.sleevesclothing.com Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:06:24 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:06:09 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 OMG. What will they think of next? Thanks for the link but, I'll just use my real tats instead. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/15/2004 10:48:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > > Got your Harley(TM), chrome skullcap, leather vest and > bad-boy sneer, but still feel just a little lacking > when riding your brand new Fat Boy(TM) with the other > guys from accounting? Make sure all the other CPAs and > MBAs in your crew know who's the baddest mofo around! > > Sleeves Clothing: machine washable, wrinkle free > hardcore street cred. > > http://www.sleevesclothing.com > > > Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:07:59 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:07:49 -0500 I think I will too. ;) -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:06 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. OMG. What will they think of next? Thanks for the link but, I'll just use my real tats instead. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/15/2004 10:48:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > > Got your Harley(TM), chrome skullcap, leather vest and > bad-boy sneer, but still feel just a little lacking > when riding your brand new Fat Boy(TM) with the other > guys from accounting? Make sure all the other CPAs and > MBAs in your crew know who's the baddest mofo around! > > Sleeves Clothing: machine washable, wrinkle free > hardcore street cred. > > http://www.sleevesclothing.com > > > Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:10:00 2004 From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New Tire Comparisons? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:09:42 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cHVyZHlqZXJlbXlAYXR0Lm5ldA== I am going to need to buy new tires sometime this spring. So, in order to do some research, does anyone know of a good web site that rates different brands based on treadwear, wet/dry traction, etc. Failing that, I would appreciate it if some of you could give some reccomendations of some good tires. I am looking for a touring tire more than a performance tire. I am a laid back rider and I do a bit of traveling, although most of my miles are commuting. Regardless, I will never exceed 85mph, so I don't need tires rated for 150. Any thoughts? BTW: The stock tires will be at about 19K when they get replaced. Is that good or bad for stock tires? -- Jeremy Purdy - Yamaha V-Star purdyjeremy@XXXXXX "No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place." - Zen saying From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:11:32 2004 Subject: RE: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:08:48 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , "Chris Weaver" , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com That is too funny! Nice model in the, er, "full-body" version... LOL Robert -----Original Message----- From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [mailto:Silvera@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:57 AM To: 'Chris Weaver'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. LOL the ultimate in posser attire. Hey then you can take the ol file to your knee pucks if you go out to the local starbucks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:19:29 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: RE: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:19:22 -0500 Oh CRAP! After I've already spent all that money on the lick and stick tats too. -aki > > From: "Verde, Robert" > Date: 2004/03/15 Mon AM 11:08:48 EST > To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , > "Chris Weaver" , > Subject: RE: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. > > That is too funny! > > Nice model in the, er, "full-body" version... LOL > > Robert > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [mailto:Silvera@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:57 AM > To: 'Chris Weaver'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. > > > LOL the ultimate in posser attire. Hey then you can take the ol file to your > knee pucks if you go out to the local starbucks. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:31:39 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:31:33 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one Bartman wrote: >The 65 HP thing is just "as shipped". It doesn't take much to bump that up >a fair bit (10% or more). A new air cleaner and rejetting or remapping >will get you 70 hp and 80 ft/lbs at the rear wheel. Less restrictive pipes >get you a bit more. > >If you want to start doing major changes, the parts are readily available. >A guy in the local club just did the 103 stroker kit on his mid-90s >Heritage...120 HP and 110 ft/lbs at the rear wheel. Custom mods by those >who know what they are doing (nitrous, superchargers, etc.) can more than >double that from reports I've seen on TV and in magazines. A 2001 SV650 with flastslide carbs, yosh cams, a full radius valve job, and race fuel makes 90 hp - dead reliable, and stock bore/stroke. Without the cams, it made 80.2 hp. With only the valve job, it made 74.1 hp. (2003 SV's, with FI and a newer motor, make 72-74hp bone stock.) And, the SV will easily out-handle and out-brake the Harley with stock chassis/suspension bits. I bet you can purchase the SV and make all the aforementioned modifications with the same amount of money it would take to buy the aforementioned Harley. - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:49:09 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:48:55 -0500 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc At 04:40 AM 3/15/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> Service intervals seem to be about the same as with my >> Jeep...where it's >> oil every 3000, minor service every 7500, semi-major >> every 15,000 and a >> major every 30,000. > >for your wallet's sake, i hope you don't reach those minor, >semi-major and major intervals. battley's could be a law >firm with those hourly rates. They aren't much different from what car dealers charge for service. Jeep is $75/hour last I looked, and Battley's is $80. Trained technicians don't make minimum wage, lawyers have driven up the cost of liability and health insurance, the EPA won't let you pour used fluids down the drain anymore, and inflation has tripled the cost of most things over the last few decades. If you don't like the price, do the work yourself. Nobody is stopping you...yet. If you don't have a place to work, any tools or know WTF you are doing, you can rent space at MDO Cycles and get all of that taken care of for less than it would cost to have someone else do the work. Lawyers make the price of vehicle maintenance look cheap though...the firm my ex-wife works for is more like $350/hour, and I've heard of higher. >> >> Bartman has never used personal attacks, vulgar >> language, or insults to further his cause. >> > >> >i recall more than one personal, insulting attack from >> mr. bartman. >> >> Correction: "counter-attacks". I've never "attacked" >> anyone here. I have, >> eventually, and after much provocation, said slightly >> rude things to you on >> occasion. That was before I started just deleting most >> of what you write >> without bothering to respond of course. > >i think your first post to me was "kill all the lawyers" or >some other shitheaded comment. You think wrong. I think lawyers are doing a lot to ruin an otherwise great country, but I don't pin that on *all* lawyers. As I've said more than once, I know some very nice lawyers who are great people. Then there's the other sort, such as you portray yourself to be here. If "kill all the lawyers" is a "shitheaded comment" then I'm in good company. That's from Shakespeare (Henry VI), and the context reverses the meaning generally ascribed to it. I'm sure other lawyers have pointed that out to you before. >> >> He is, I gather, a retread rider who joined this >> >> group because he is a rider, rather than than joining >> any >> >> number of HD >> >> lists who spend hours congratulating themselves on the >> >> most recent purchase of safety chrome, or loud pipes. >> > >> >i've got $500 that says he is a member of other such >> lists. >> >> You lose. Pay the man. > >well, well, well.... i figured as much as you like to see >yourself speak that was an easy bet. no newsgroups either? I occasionally read, and have even posted to, rec.motorcycles.harley (been a couple of weeks since the last time I looked in there though), but the bet said I was a member of *lists* that were full of people "who spend hours congratulating themselves on the most recent purchase of safety chrome, or loud pipes", so newsgroups are out, and that description doesn't fit rec.motorcycles.harley anyway. Quit trying to weasel out of your bet and just pay the man. >your cash is at my office. perhaps it will cover a payment >on your h-d? It would cover a couple of them, but I'm planning on just paying it off this month. In any case, the bet wasn't with me. You were replying to Bill I believe. >> This is the only moto list I'm on. Don't you feel >> special? > >special? hmm... special like getting struck by lightning >or catching a stray bullet? well, yes! how special. You know the difference between a lawyer and a tick? A tick will quit sucking on you when you die. See, that's a counter-attack. Had you pretended to be a decent human being, I'd have been polite to you, the way I am with most people here. You seem to love vitriol, so that's what you get back. That Golden Rule thing's most obvious corollary. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:49:55 2004 From: Jason Picton To: "'Julian Halton'" , DCCycles Subject: RE: Rider down Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:49:45 -0500 Yeah - Sean from www.dcsportbikes.com - low sided and hit a guardrail and died (I was not there).. He was a good rider from what I saw on a previous ride, (only talked to him once- but he was funny, smart, upbeat, and seemed to be the defintion of a "nice guy")... It's a tragic loss.... http://www.dcsportbikes.com/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=3&TopicID=5551 &PagePosition=1 Jason -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:56 AM To: DCCycles Subject: Rider down I was invited to go out to 211 yesterday with a group of riders. I did not attend. According to what I heard, a young man, age 22, hit a guardrail and died instantly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:52:59 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:53:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: AZ Moto lame I used to really like Arizona Motorsports, but this is my last order with them. Their tire prices were a lot higher than anyone else, so I just ordered my chain, sprockets and grips from them on March 1st. They still haven't shipped yet - holding the entire order for a set of grips! My Chaparral Dunlop 220s arrived 4 days after I ordered them. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:57:48 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:57:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: New Tire Comparisons? At 11:09 AM 3/15/2004, purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: >Any thoughts? > >BTW: The stock tires will be at about 19K when they get replaced. Is that >good or bad for stock tires? 20,000 is pretty high for moto tires. I replace mine by 10,000 or so running Dunlop 220 S/T tires. I love them. All the grip of the 207s, but harder rubber in the flats for excellent tourability. They don't square off as easily as some other brands, but they do tend to cup on the front after a lot of miles. In the Dunlop line, I have S/T on the 205, 207 and now 220s. The old 205s were dogs. The 207s were excellent cornering tires; practically falling into the corner compared to the 205s. Unfortunately, they were toast by 4,500 miles. The 220s have lasted about 10,000 (same as the D205s) and are still excellent tires with another month or two of riding left in them, but a tiny leak is irritating me to no end. Anyway, the 220s run about $180 for the set mail order. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 11:59:23 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i think your first post to me was "kill all the lawyers" or > some other shitheaded comment. Quoting Shakespeare is a "shitheaded comment"? -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 12:09:24 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:59:25 -0500 To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. At 07:48 AM 3/15/04 -0800, Chris Weaver wrote: >Sleeves Clothing: machine washable, wrinkle free >hardcore street cred. > >http://www.sleevesclothing.com That's goofy. Sure it's not a joke site? :-) I hate tattoos. Not only are they generally not that good looking, I keep picturing them in 40 years...people change, tattoos don't (much). They are marginally better than that "fell face first into the tackle box" look that seems popular with today's rebellious youth though. At least we were smart enough to go for long hair and bell bottoms...those are easy to get rid of when you wise up. Today's folks will have the tats forever, and the scars are likely to last a while too. Much harder to convince your kids that you were never that dumb later. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 12:09:39 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:09:34 -0500 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one At 10:31 AM 3/15/04 -0600, Sean Jordan wrote: >And, the SV will easily out-handle and out-brake the Harley with stock >chassis/suspension bits. I bet you can purchase the SV and make all the >aforementioned modifications with the same amount of money it would take to >buy the aforementioned Harley. Very likely, but with the Harley I'll end up with a bike I can actually ride. I've owned a Honda street bike. It got sold with about three times the mileage on it that I've already put on the Harley, and I owned it for 5 years. I've had the Harley for 5 months...most of that winter. The Honda was just not that comfortable, and it didn't have that "extreme racer position" that sport bikes have these days. Riding in a crouch may be fun for 20-somethings who are very short, but it's no fun for us older folks who are very tall. There's no way I'd fit on most of the bikes people here ride. I've seen an R6, and I'd look like most of you would on one of those little 50cc things if I tried to ride it. Even the Harley was too cramped stock. Once the foot supports and controls were changed for more extended versions (Bubba's Brakes) it became very comfortable, wether alone or two-up with my taller than average GF. Oh, and I checked out a Yamaha metric cruiser over the weekend...smaller than a Harley, so it wouldn't do. Looked nice though. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 12:10:26 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:10:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Rider down DC Sportbike rides seem to have a large number of crashes. http://www.dcsportbikes.com/display_forum_topics.asp?ForumID=6 At 11:49 AM 3/15/2004, you wrote: >Yeah - Sean from www.dcsportbikes.com - low sided and hit a guardrail and >died (I was not there).. He was a good rider from what I saw on a previous >ride, (only talked to him once- but he was funny, smart, upbeat, and seemed >to be the defintion of a "nice guy")... It's a tragic loss.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 12:18:22 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:16:14 -0500 To: Jason Picton , "'Julian Halton'" , DCCycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Rider down At 11:49 AM 3/15/04 -0500, Jason Picton wrote: >Yeah - Sean from www.dcsportbikes.com - low sided and hit a guardrail and >died (I was not there).. He was a good rider from what I saw on a previous >ride, (only talked to him once- but he was funny, smart, upbeat, and seemed >to be the defintion of a "nice guy")... It's a tragic loss.... That sucks. Any idea why he went down? Road conditions? Equipment failure? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 12:26:34 2004 Subject: Robot race update Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:26:23 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com Apparently the race went off as scheduled Saturday morning, but it was over by noon... ;-) The lead vehicle was "Sandstorm," the robot built on the Hummer platform, and the favorite to win, but it made a total of 7.4 miles distance travelled. The course total distance was around 140 miles. According to my brother, the Hummer was ascending a hill when it began to smoke, and by the time the support team got to it, it was on fire. According to Darpa news, looks like it was a minor fire: http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/media/final_data.pdf No word on the motorcycle robot, my brother was at the front of the pack and the motorcycle was not visible from there. He did mention that it was an odd sight to see the robot standing on two wheels, balanced with the gyroscope. From the Darpa news, it looks like they withdrew prior to start. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 12:29:00 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:30:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. >Got your Harley(TM), chrome skullcap, leather vest and >bad-boy sneer, but still feel just a little lacking >when riding your brand new Fat Boy(TM) with the other >guys from accounting? Make sure all the other CPAs and >MBAs in your crew know who's the baddest mofo around! > >Sleeves Clothing: machine washable, wrinkle free >hardcore street cred. > >http://www.sleevesclothing.com > >Chris Weaver Neat. Not in quite in the same ball park, but also amusing, is this Italian company (http://www.luminex.it/) that wove fibreoptics in normal fabric to make it glow. http://store.luminex.it/ check out the 'minitop' another US distributor is http://www.zuzka.com/enter.html - click on the Luminix button http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invluminex.html - time magazine had an article on them From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 12:31:41 2004 Subject: RE: Robot race update Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:31:32 -0600 From: To: I watched the motorcycle on the news last night, At the start, it went about 2 feet and fell over . So much for the robots taking over the planet. George M Cole -----Original Message----- From: Verde, Robert [mailto:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] >No word on the motorcycle robot From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 12:47:34 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider down Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:27:37 -0500 Sean was a great guy. Smart, funny, level headed. We both have SVs, so talked about that a lot. He had done suspension work and was going to sell me what he had done and help me install it as he wanted to upgrade again. We were to swap bikes so he could ride the stock suspension again and I could see how the upgrades felt. I had put that work on hold due to buying a new jacket & helmet and running short on cash. He wasn't bumping the HP of the SV. He was trying to make it a better bike. He had done a track day. Just got a 1 piece full leather. He had been riding for around a yr or less. He was a student at U MD. He will be missed. Someone pointed out the accidents on DCSB.com rides. Yes there are a lot, most seem to be newbies that shouldn't be on group rides hitting 211 way too hard. Sean & me talked about this, he wasn't one of the guys pushing it like that. >From: Jason Picton >To: "'Julian Halton'" , DCCycles > >Subject: RE: Rider down >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:49:45 -0500 > >Yeah - Sean from www.dcsportbikes.com - low sided and hit a guardrail and >died (I was not there).. He was a good rider from what I saw on a previous >ride, (only talked to him once- but he was funny, smart, upbeat, and seemed >to be the defintion of a "nice guy")... It's a tragic loss.... > >http://www.dcsportbikes.com/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=3&TopicID=5551 >&PagePosition=1 > >Jason > >-----Original Message----- >From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:56 AM >To: DCCycles >Subject: Rider down > > > > >I was invited to go out to 211 yesterday with a group of riders. I did >not attend. >According to what I heard, a young man, age 22, hit a guardrail and died >instantly. > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 12:50:49 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AZ Moto lame Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:50:48 -0500 They alway shipped piecemeal with me. 2 weeks is a long delay for them, usually a week or less is my experience. Rob On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:53:02 -0500, Troutman wrote > I used to really like Arizona Motorsports, but this is my last order > with them. Their tire prices were a lot higher than anyone else, so > I just ordered my chain, sprockets and grips from them on March 1st. > They still haven't shipped yet - holding the entire order for a set > of grips! > > My Chaparral Dunlop 220s arrived 4 days after I ordered them. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 12:52:33 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:52:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Rider down At 12:27 PM 3/15/2004, rich hall wrote: >Someone pointed out the accidents on DCSB.com rides. Yes there are a lot, >most seem to be newbies that shouldn't be on group rides hitting 211 way >too hard. Sean & me talked about this, he wasn't one of the guys pushing >it like that. I've never met a rider that has been on a bike less than a year that should be in a group ride hitting 211. Thats the reason I quit doing big dc-cycles rides. A few years ago some asshat on an SV650 went in the fast group on 211. He had full leathers, talked the talk, seemed competent. Third turn in he freaked out and lost it, almost taking out the back of the fast group and the front of the middle group (me). Rich and Jason - if you do these DCSB rides, please be careful. Seems a lot of people don't know when they are over their head. Ride safe. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 13:07:01 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:06:52 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider down Troutman wrote: > I've never met a rider that has been on a bike less than a year that > should be in a group ride hitting 211. Thats the reason I quit doing > big dc-cycles rides. A few years ago some asshat on an SV650 went in > the fast group on 211. He had full leathers, talked the talk, seemed > competent. Third turn in he freaked out and lost it, almost taking out > the back of the fast group and the front of the middle group (me). The incident from this weekend brought that exact memory to my mind. The SV guy crashed right in front of us. He was riding WAY over his head, nothing to do with the bike or conditions ... to be honest, we weren't even riding that fast, maybe 5mph - 10mph over the posted limit. He was VERY lucky as he stopped maybe 4 feet short of the armco. 211 doesn't suffer fools very well. IMO, the guy in our incident was out trying to "prove" something which is the most dangerous type of rider. I think group rides often bring out this type of behavior in some people, which is a problem. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 13:25:36 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:24:25 -0500 From: "David Wakefield" To: GeorgeCole@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Robot race update I saw that on the news as well. The motorcycle bot fell over on its side right after leaving the gate. Talk about a short trip. . . GeorgeCole@XXXXXX wrote: > > I watched the motorcycle on the news last night, At the start, it went about 2 feet and fell over . > > So much for the robots taking over the planet. > > George M Cole > > -----Original Message----- > From: Verde, Robert [mailto:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] > > >No word on the motorcycle robot From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 13:39:22 2004 Subject: RE: Rider down Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:39:13 -0600 From: To: , I was on that ride also, I remember a certain (nameless) rider on a 900SS, that made a few (Safe) passes though the pack, right before the indecent..There was some speculation as to whether the SV dude was spooked. George M Cole -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] >The incident from this weekend brought that exact memory to my mind. The SV guy crashed right in front of us. He was riding WAY over his head, nothing to do with the bike or conditions ... to be honest, we weren't even riding that fast, maybe 5mph - 10mph over the posted limit. He was VERY lucky as he stopped maybe 4 feet short of the armco. 211 doesn't suffer fools very well. IMO, the guy in our incident was out trying to "prove" something which is the most dangerous type of rider. I think group rides often bring out this type of behavior in some people, which is a problem. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 13:39:24 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:39:20 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one Bartman opined: >Very likely, but with the Harley I'll end up with a bike I can actually ride. > >I've owned a Honda street bike. It got sold with about three times the >mileage on it that I've already put on the Harley, and I owned it for 5 >years. I've had the Harley for 5 months...most of that winter. Have you seen on an SV650, or sat on one? - it's a standard - nothing ergonomically challenging about that bike.... - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 13:54:02 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:53:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > i think your first post to me was "kill all the > lawyers" or > > some other shitheaded comment. > > Quoting Shakespeare is a "shitheaded comment"? actually, _I_ quoted shakespeare. bartman's shitheaded comment concerned some other hatred/violent conduct towards lawyers. search the archives and report back.... i don't have time right now to discuss the propriety of hatred, without justification, towards a complete section (rather than identifiable wrongdoers) of the population. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 13:56:04 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:55:49 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: GeorgeCole@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider down GeorgeCole@XXXXXX wrote: > I was on that ride also, I remember a certain (nameless) rider on a > 900SS, that made a few (Safe) passes though the pack, right before the > indecent..There was some speculation as to whether the SV dude was > spooked. How the SV dude could get spooked by a (nameless) 900SS rider 30 feet behind him in a different lane still escapes me ;) - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 14:08:42 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycles Forum Board? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:08:40 -0500 Any reason why DC-Cycles doesn't have a forums board? I know it costs computing resources but I shouldn't have trouble scaring that up. Any interest? Regards, Rob On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:10:22 -0500, Troutman wrote > DC Sportbike rides seem to have a large number of crashes. > http://www.dcsportbikes.com/display_forum_topics.asp?ForumID=6 > > At 11:49 AM 3/15/2004, you wrote: > >Yeah - Sean from www.dcsportbikes.com - low sided and hit a guardrail and > >died (I was not there).. He was a good rider from what I saw on a previous > >ride, (only talked to him once- but he was funny, smart, upbeat, and seemed > >to be the defintion of a "nice guy")... It's a tragic loss.... > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 14:28:29 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:28:17 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Forum Board? To: DC Cycles Because we like it this way? Because the list seems to be made of rugged individualists and crotchety folks who distrust them newfangled technologies and popular stuff in general? At least I like it this way. I much prefer seeing all the emails as they come, even the pissing matches that come up from time to time. I don't get as much of a sense of community from forums in general. Besides, there's lots of forum-based boards out there - why be one of the crowd? Brian Ray '03 GSF1200S --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Any reason why DC-Cycles doesn't have a forums > board? I know it costs > computing resources but I shouldn't have trouble > scaring that up. Any interest? > > Regards, > > Rob > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 14:34:00 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:33:53 -0500 > > From: Erick Singley > Date: 2004/03/15 Mon AM 11:30:07 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. > > >Got your Harley(TM), chrome skullcap, leather vest and > >bad-boy sneer, but still feel just a little lacking > >when riding your brand new Fat Boy(TM) with the other > >guys from accounting? Make sure all the other CPAs and > >MBAs in your crew know who's the baddest mofo around! > > > >Sleeves Clothing: machine washable, wrinkle free > >hardcore street cred. > > > >http://www.sleevesclothing.com > > > >Chris Weaver > > Neat. Not in quite in the same ball park, but also amusing, is this > Italian company (http://www.luminex.it/) that wove fibreoptics in > normal fabric to make it glow. > > > http://store.luminex.it/ check out the 'minitop' > > another US distributor is > http://www.zuzka.com/enter.html - click on the Luminix button > > http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invluminex.html - time > magazine had an article on them > ..actually that has some practical applications to it. Maybe not a full "glow in the dark outfit" but some pin striping on clothing would be a safety plus not only for motorcycles but joggers/pedestrians at night as well. Definately something that would be good for trick or treaters. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 14:35:56 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:36:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Forum Board? At 02:08 PM 3/15/2004, Rob Sharp wrote: >Any reason why DC-Cycles doesn't have a forums board? I know it costs >computing resources but I shouldn't have trouble scaring that up. Any >interest? I could add one to dccycles.com, but there wasn't much interest in the Yahoo!Groups forum page. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dc-cycles/ Of course, that is a bit different from, say, the DCSB forum. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 14:45:01 2004 Subject: RE: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:44:49 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com I'm sure some BMW rider somewhere is already penciling out the business plan to make a illuminated all-weather jacket with integrated auxiliary brake lights and fore and aft turn signals... "Excuse me, your suit is glowing." "Why, yes it is..." Robert -----Original Message----- From: adamme1@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:34 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. ..actually that has some practical applications to it. Maybe not a full "glow in the dark outfit" but some pin striping on clothing would be a safety plus not only for motorcycles but joggers/pedestrians at night as well. Definately something that would be good for trick or treaters. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 14:48:11 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:05:48 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Forum Board? On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Troutman wrote: > At 02:08 PM 3/15/2004, Rob Sharp wrote: > >Any reason why DC-Cycles doesn't have a forums board? I know it costs > >computing resources but I shouldn't have trouble scaring that up. Any > >interest? > > I could add one to dccycles.com, but there wasn't much interest in the > Yahoo!Groups forum page. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dc-cycles/ > > Of course, that is a bit different from, say, the DCSB forum. I prefer mailing lists, although I do subscribe to and post to several online message boards. I think that a mailing list requires more active participation, which weeds out most of the chuckleheads :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 15:16:55 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:16:50 -0500 To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Forum Board? At 11:28 AM 3/15/04 -0800, Brian Ray wrote: >Because we like it this way? Because the list seems >to be made of rugged individualists and crotchety >folks who distrust them newfangled technologies and >popular stuff in general? I agree. My main problem with BBS-style messaging is that you have to use their interface to post and read, and they generally suck rocks. With e-mail everyone can use whatever program they like and get the interface they want. >At least I like it this way. I much prefer seeing all >the emails as they come, even the pissing matches that >come up from time to time. I don't get as much of a >sense of community from forums in general. You also have to remember to go look at forums, and you waste a lot of time looking when there's nothing new. With e-mail it comes to you as it becomes available. It's also much easier to save the posts that contain something you might want to reference again in the future. Set up whatever you like, and those who want it can use it, the rest won't. Cyberspace is still pretty roomy. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 15:16:55 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:55:12 -0500 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Robot race update At 11:31 AM 3/15/04 -0600, GeorgeCole@XXXXXX wrote: >I watched the motorcycle on the news last night, At the start, it went about 2 feet and fell over . > >So much for the robots taking over the planet. They weren't expecting to be competitive yet. Their longest "ride" to date is about 500 feet I hear. They figure it could be 4-5 years before they have the bugs worked out enough to have a chance to run the course. Considering the challenge involved, that's not bad at all if they can pull it off. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 15:16:55 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:12:18 -0500 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one At 12:39 PM 3/15/04 -0600, Sean Jordan wrote: >Bartman opined: > >>Very likely, but with the Harley I'll end up with a bike I can actually ride. >> >>I've owned a Honda street bike. It got sold with about three times the >>mileage on it that I've already put on the Harley, and I owned it for 5 >>years. I've had the Harley for 5 months...most of that winter. > >Have you seen on an SV650, or sat on one? - it's a standard - nothing >ergonomically challenging about that bike.... No, not yet. How tall are you and what's your inseam length? Knowing those two numbers would help me judge whether what you find a good fit would have any chance of fitting me. I'm 5'18" and my inseam is 34". I'm not into Yoga. Even an inch or two can make the difference if it's in the wrong place. I've been told many times in the past that various cars and bikes would fit me "just fine", then found when I actually tried them that there was no way in hell I could drive/ride them. I still remember the expression on the face of a lady with a Volvo who was driving a bunch of us out for dinner. I asked what she drove, she told me, and I suggested that maybe I should drive instead (had the Jeep). She said, "Oh, it's very roomy...you'll fit fine. Never had a problem with anyone before." Her face was priceless once I finally managed to wedge myself into her passenger seat...which was back against the knees of the person in the back seat (a very small person)...with my knees up on her dash, my head tilted 45 degrees to one side to fit under the roof, and my shoulders turned slightly to allow the door to close. Felt like I was a clown in one of those circus cars... The only exception to the rule about short people not having a clue what 'big and roomy" means was a large BMW suggested by someone here when I first got on the list (and I'm not exactly sure how much smaller that person is :), where I think with a slight change in brake and shifter positioning I could ride fairly comfortably. Price was about the same as the Harley though, and I wanted a bike I might someday be able to work on myself without going to a training academy. I also like sitting up on a bike, not leaning over, with my legs no tighter than 90 degrees at the knee (bad knees). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 15:18:48 2004 From: To: Subject: RE: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:18:41 -0500 LOL! Them BWW riders are a hoot. Not as serious as us Harley riders. ;-) -aki > > From: "Verde, Robert" > Date: 2004/03/15 Mon PM 02:44:49 EST > To: , > Subject: RE: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. > > I'm sure some BMW rider somewhere is already penciling out the business plan to make a illuminated all-weather jacket with integrated auxiliary brake lights and fore and aft turn signals... "Excuse me, your suit is glowing." "Why, yes it is..." > > Robert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: adamme1@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:34 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. > > > > ..actually that has some practical applications to it. Maybe not a full "glow in the dark outfit" but some pin striping on clothing would be a safety plus not only for motorcycles but joggers/pedestrians at night as well. Definately something that would be good for trick or treaters. > > -aki > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 15:37:45 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Forum Board? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:36:05 -0500 DCSB.com has a link you can click to just show you topics that are new or added to since your last visit. >From: Mike Bartman >To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles >Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Forum Board? >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:16:50 -0500 > >You also have to remember to go look at forums, and you waste a lot of time >looking when there's nothing new. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 16:09:23 2004 From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider down Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:09:16 -0500 Mike, Thanks for the heads up.... I went on my first dcsb.COM ride 3 weeks ago, and it was a blast. However, since I had never been out with these guys, I opted for the slow group, and hung back. Sean was on this ride (in the fast group) and he looked like he knew what he was doing when we past each other on 211 going the other way (he had neon leathers).. I got a chance to hang with him socially with some others dcsb.COM folks about two weeks ago - he was a trully nice kid.. It's a damn shame this happened. The only thing I can say that might be a cause for some concern about dcsb.COM rides - is there are a few riders who haven't been riding very long who have picked it damn quickly and ride hard. Maybe when some folks hear this - they think they can ride at the same pace - I dunno... I can tell you that the leader of the slow group on the opening ride (jron) did a hell of job leading the slow group - keeping an even pace, etc (we didn't get bored - but nobody got in over their heads).... He was beating himself up that one of his "slow" riders when down on 211, he thought it might have been him as far as the pace went. It turned out later that this rider switched groups as a gas station before 211 and went out with the fast group. From what I have heard - he had less than a year or two's exp and rode into 211 at a pretty brisk pace... In any type of sport - if you have a large group of folks doing something - there are always those who can get in over their head.. The folks I know from DCSB.COM are great folks. Sheesh, I even let one of em borrow a bike of mine for this ride, I was that confident he was a good guy. As, I have said many times (more so, after my accident), ya got to check the ego at the door when you go for a ride, and do it at your own pace. For I would always rather go home with my toys and myself intact, than try and be the fastest guy out there.. but that's just me.... Jason -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:53 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider down At 12:27 PM 3/15/2004, rich hall wrote: >Someone pointed out the accidents on DCSB.com rides. Yes there are a lot, >most seem to be newbies that shouldn't be on group rides hitting 211 way >too hard. Sean & me talked about this, he wasn't one of the guys pushing >it like that. I've never met a rider that has been on a bike less than a year that should be in a group ride hitting 211. Thats the reason I quit doing big dc-cycles rides. A few years ago some asshat on an SV650 went in the fast group on 211. He had full leathers, talked the talk, seemed competent. Third turn in he freaked out and lost it, almost taking out the back of the fast group and the front of the middle group (me). Rich and Jason - if you do these DCSB rides, please be careful. Seems a lot of people don't know when they are over their head. Ride safe. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 16:18:20 2004 From: "customtankbags" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:18:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.14.155.168] at Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:18:16 -0600 Actually, I've seen plans for this (and it wasn't a BMW rider). A fellow has designed the wires/lights/etc. for have brake lights and turn signals on the back of a jacket. Then there's always the wireless brake light you can stick on your helmet. Hmmmm LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Verde, Robert [mailto:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:45 PM To: adamme1@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. I'm sure some BMW rider somewhere is already penciling out the business plan to make a illuminated all-weather jacket with integrated auxiliary brake lights and fore and aft turn signals... "Excuse me, your suit is glowing." "Why, yes it is..." Robert -----Original Message----- From: adamme1@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:34 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. ..actually that has some practical applications to it. Maybe not a full "glow in the dark outfit" but some pin striping on clothing would be a safety plus not only for motorcycles but joggers/pedestrians at night as well. Definately something that would be good for trick or treaters. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 16:48:04 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:47:57 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Re: Hardcore, man. Hardcore. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > I'm sure some BMW rider somewhere is already penciling out the business plan to > make a illuminated all-weather jacket with integrated auxiliary brake lights > and fore and aft turn signals... Yes, but the switches will all be in the wrong place. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 16:55:37 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:55:13 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bdaleray@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Forum Board? X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Yeah, what he said. :-) Scooter In a message dated 3/15/2004 2:28:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, bdaleray@XXXXXX writes: > > > Because we like it this way? Because the list seems > to be made of rugged individualists and crotchety > folks who distrust them newfangled technologies and > popular stuff in general? > > At least I like it this way. I much prefer seeing all > the emails as they come, even the pissing matches that > come up from time to time. I don't get as much of a > sense of community from forums in general. > > Besides, there's lots of forum-based boards out there > - why be one of the crowd? > > Brian Ray > '03 GSF1200S > > --- Rob Sharp wrote: > > Any reason why DC-Cycles doesn't have a forums > > board? I know it costs > > computing resources but I shouldn't have trouble > > scaring that up. Any interest? > > > > Regards, > > > > Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 17:02:58 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Rider down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jason Picton wrote: >.... he was a trully nice kid.. It's a damn shame this happened. Sure, it's a damned shame to those who knew him, but to the rest of us -- to be totally heartless about it -- he's just another statistic in the natural selection category. I was driving a BMW cage in the foothills above Santa Cruz CA yesterday (Bonny Doon Road, for the winos in the group), when a group of about 30 riders came by. Mostly Ducs, all sport bikes except for one semi-cruiser/standard who was trailing the field by about a quarter mile. All passing over the double-yellows on a twisty canyon road much like 211, knees down in the corners, etc. If you ride like that, some of you are going down. If some go down, some of you will die. It seems reasonable to assume that those who ride on the street at speeds and lean angles that really belong on the track are aware of the increased risk they voluntarily incur. Maybe there's a place for something like the MCF but more mentally oriented, that more directly addresses the increased risks of sport bike riding on the street. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 17:09:42 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:09:39 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one Bartman wrote: >I'm 5'18" and my inseam is 34". >I'm not into Yoga. Most people would say they are 6' 6", but if you want to say 5ft, 18 in, fine by me. :) I'm assuming you meant 5ft. 8in. I'm 5' 10" with a 32" inseam. Drop in a Suzuki dealer and sit on one sometime. If you like the fit, try an SV1000 - still cheaper than a Harley, and you get 100+ ponies right out of the box (and even better suspension and brakes). - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 17:27:30 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:45:17 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Sean Jordan wrote: > Bartman wrote: > >I'm 5'18" and my inseam is 34". > >I'm not into Yoga. > > Most people would say they are 6' 6", but if you want to say 5ft, 18 in, > fine by me. :) > > I'm assuming you meant 5ft. 8in. I'm 5' 10" with a 32" inseam. Bart-man is 6'6", Sean. :-) FWIW, I've seen a guy who's not a youngster and 6'8" riding a GSXR1k. My buddy, who is 6'6" and in his 30s, is on his 2nd Hayabusa (first one was stolen in Myrtle Beach). So it's not so much Bartman's size and inseam, but bad knees and riding preference, that keep him off the sportbikes. Nothing wrong with that, life would be boring if we all wanted to ride the same bikes. :-) BTW, who was running those list stats? Can we see a new file? With the prolific posting by some members, it would be amusing. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 17:44:34 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: DL 650? Any thoughts on the Baby Strom? I'm starting to think it's looking fairly attractive for what I need... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 17:51:03 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:50:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider down -----Original Message----- From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Sent: Mar 15, 2004 5:02 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider down --- Jason Picton wrote: >.... he was a trully nice kid.. It's a damn shame this happened. Sure, it's a damned shame to those who knew him, but to the rest of us -- to be totally heartless about it -- he's just another statistic in the natural selection category. .... It seems reasonable to assume that those who ride on the street at speeds and lean angles that really belong on the track are aware of the increased risk they voluntarily incur. Maybe there's a place for something like the MCF but more mentally oriented, that more directly addresses the increased risks of sport bike riding on the street. -- Larry =================== Larry's characterization may be harsh, but that's the stark unvarnished reality of the situation. Certain behaviors (like getting swept up in a group dynamic) tend to produce negative outcomes. Not saying that was the case here; I wasn't there. It's a general statement borne out by experience. I'll tell you from personal experience, I'd been riding for about a year when I went on a DC-Cycles ride, out to 211 and beyond. Two riders went down on the mountain on that ride. I didn't witness either get-off, but that was enough to temper my already limited enthusiasm for aggressive street riding. I politely excused myself from that ride and headed for home, solo. As a result of that and my generally risk-averse temperament, I've pretty much sworn off "open" group rides as a blanket policy, unless I know the organizers and participants. I'm also wondering how many more Thornton Gap fatalities it's going to take on 211 before the authorities lower the speed limit and enforce it aggressively? It's gotten to the point where I avoid going up there weekends when the weather's nice. My sincere condolences to anyone who knew the downed rider. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 17:55:08 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Mailing list statistics... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:55:05 -0500 As requested by the prolific busa rider. I made the top 10!!! You are going to want to view them in a fixed font to get the full effect. 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Date : Wed, 28 May 2003 09:30:27 -0400 Quote ratio: 99.93% / 1393 bytes ***** Longest message: Author : vandtdimarco@XXXXXX Subject : dc-cycles digest for 05/12/03 Date : Mon, 12 May 2003 21:46:55 -0400 Size : 140753 bytes ***** Most successful subject: Subject : Just graduated from MSF new rider's course No. of msgs: 67 Total size : 108660 bytes ***** Final summary: Total number of messages: 10649 Total number of different authors: 267 Total number of different subjects: 2361 Total size of messages (w/o headers): 11875011 bytes Average size of a message: 1115 bytes -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 17:59:15 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:59:14 -0500 On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:09:39 -0600, Sean Jordan wrote > Bartman wrote: > >I'm 5'18" and my inseam is 34". > >I'm not into Yoga. > > Most people would say they are 6' 6", but if you want to say 5ft, 18 > in, fine by me. :) > > I'm assuming you meant 5ft. 8in. I'm 5' 10" with a 32" inseam. Drop > in a Suzuki dealer and sit on one sometime. If you like the fit, try > an SV1000 - still cheaper than a Harley, and you get 100+ ponies > right out of the box > (and even better suspension and brakes). > > - Sean Jordan The SV series of bikes is a pretty price point suspension setup. Nice bikes bit don't get em for the suspension. They are a bang for the buck kinda bike. I didn't like the older version with the tube frame, but the boxy ones are growing on me. Plus that Suzuki 996 engine is supposed to be very nice. Rob -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 18:29:13 2004 From: Jason Picton To: "'pltrgyst@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider down Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:29:06 -0500 gee whiz, Larry you are all heart, unfortunately it's small and black... I am so glad you can so easily right off someone's life like that - cause you are a man of such experience and all.... I only really talked to Sean once, but with some people you just get a feeling.. He was trully a gentle soul, and he just liked to ride. The evening I met him, he took time out from his studies to swap a stand with someone else, and had to go back to school. I trully believe he was the type of guy who would do anything to help out someone in need. He just seemed like a nice guy.. Lord knows he was not as self-absorbed as I was at 22 - he was a just a kid.. I don't know exactly what happend out there - maybe I will never know. I only saw him ride once, but from what I saw he knew what he was doing, and this has been backed up by others as well... Maybe it was rider error, maybe it was fluke accident - I don't know... However, making a blank statement like you did .... "If you ride like that, some of you are going down. If some go down, some of you will die" after something like this happens is just crass and out of line... Larry, out of curosity when you go a weddings, do you tell the bride and groom that 50% of marriages end in divorce too.... We know the risks, and we take them willingly knowing it might happen, it doesn't mean it's NOT sad or tragic when it happens - nor do we need anyone reminding us of the danger after the fact. Jason -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 5:03 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider down --- Jason Picton wrote: >.... he was a trully nice kid.. It's a damn shame this happened. Sure, it's a damned shame to those who knew him, but to the rest of us -- to be totally heartless about it -- he's just another statistic in the natural selection category. I was driving a BMW cage in the foothills above Santa Cruz CA yesterday (Bonny Doon Road, for the winos in the group), when a group of about 30 riders came by. Mostly Ducs, all sport bikes except for one semi-cruiser/standard who was trailing the field by about a quarter mile. All passing over the double-yellows on a twisty canyon road much like 211, knees down in the corners, etc. If you ride like that, some of you are going down. If some go down, some of you will die. It seems reasonable to assume that those who ride on the street at speeds and lean angles that really belong on the track are aware of the increased risk they voluntarily incur. Maybe there's a place for something like the MCF but more mentally oriented, that more directly addresses the increased risks of sport bike riding on the street. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 18:55:24 2004 Subject: RE: Mailing list statistics... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:55:15 -0600 From: To: Wow, I take a few months off from the list and look what I missed?? Nice Job there Rob. George M Cole -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Statistics from 14.1.1999 to 15.3.2004 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ***** People who have written most messages: +----+-----Author-----------------------------------+--Msg-+-Percent-+ | 1 | omni@XXXXXX | 887 | 8.33 % | | 2 | cschelin@XXXXXX | 602 | 5.65 % | | 3 | bhuson@XXXXXX | 462 | 4.34 % | | 4 | Dave@XXXXXX | 383 | 3.60 % | | 5 | PenguinBiker@XXXXXX | 382 | 3.59 % | | 6 | wayne@XXXXXX | 360 | 3.38 % | | 7 | t_gimer@XXXXXX | 300 | 2.82 % | | 8 | mike@XXXXXX | 280 | 2.63 % | | 9 | dm_gsxr@XXXXXX | 269 | 2.53 % | | 10 | rob@XXXXXX | 264 | 2.48 % | +----+----------------------------------------------+------+---------+ | | other | 6460 | 60.66 % | +----+----------------------------------------------+------+---------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 19:53:50 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:53:45 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Mailing list statistics... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Rob Sharp wrote: > As requested by the prolific busa rider. > > I made the top 10!!! > > You are going to want to view them in a fixed font to get the full > effect. > > Regards, > > Rob Actually, since I created a special address (dm_gsxr@XXXXXX) so I could post at night and on the weekend and to start unsubscribing from my work account, you could combine my two accounts into a single stat. I was going to do a search and replace for my yahoo account before running the stats. > > Statistics from 14.1.1999 to 15.3.2004 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ***** People who have written most messages: > +----+-----Author-----------------------------------+--Msg-+-Percent-+ > | 1 | omni@XXXXXX | 887 | 8.33 % | > | 2 | cschelin@XXXXXX | 602 | 5.65 % | > | 9 | dm_gsxr@XXXXXX | 269 | 2.53 % | still second, but not by much 871 > > ***** Best authors, by total size of their messages (w/o quoting): > +----+-----Author-------------------------------------------+-KBytes-+ > | 1 | omni@XXXXXX | 1120.6 | > | 2 | cschelin@XXXXXX | 343.9 | > | 6 | dm_gsxr@XXXXXX | 188.2 | got me there 532.1 > +----+------------------------------------------------------+--------+ > > ***** Most used email clients: > +----+----Mailer------------------------------------+--Msg-+-Percent-+ > | 5 | Ximian Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk | 457 | 4.29 % | At least part of this is my work client. Perhaps all. > +----+----------------------------------------------+------+---------+ What you really need is a Bayesian filter to determine the on-topic quotient. That'd be an interesting stat ;-) Good job Rob. And just to keep it mostly relative: One of the sales guys here wanted me to give him the GSXR as his commission for having his clients buy the house. The guy across the street has also expressed interest (he has a Ninja I think). Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 20:23:20 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:21:08 -0500 Subject: H-D, Bartman summary From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Lets see if I've got this right: 1.The SV 650 is the best motorcycle ever made. 2.It is OK to call people names and threaten bodily harm as long as you use quotes from classical literature to do so. 3. tgimerowesmefivehundreddollars 4. Harley Davidson (any model) is the worst motorcycle ever made . 5. Push rods are bad 6. Some people on the list are more verbose than others Oh God, it will be so good when spring arrives. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 20:42:04 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: DL 650? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:41:53 -0500 > Any thoughts on the Baby Strom? I'm starting to think it's > looking fairly attractive for what I need... Lotsa thoughts. Check out the chatter at the Vstrom board on Yahoo (vstrom2) General concensus is that it's a nice scooter - depends on what you're looking at. It's down 40 lbs and some HP over the 1000, doesn't have as good a suspension and a single muffler vs. the 1000's duals. But is about $2,400 cheaper. I've been very happy with my 1000 on short local rides (2-300 miles or so), and was very surprised (pleasantly so) of the first long day on it (about 800 miles). It just doesn't seem to do anything badly. Might be why about half the bikes in Europe are big trailies. Maybe they'll catch on this side of the pond this time. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 20:50:06 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:49:46 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: Rider down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Larry's characterization may be harsh, but that's the stark > unvarnished reality of the situation. Certain behaviors (like > getting swept up in a group dynamic) tend to produce negative > outcomes. I don't think Larry or anyone should shrink from the cold, harsh truth. Larry, lest we forget, was describing what he directly observed at a different place and time and was commenting accordingly. When I was a novice rider, I went on a dc-cycles group ride and not knowing any better was on the tail end of the chain. Let me tell you that I could have crashed and heavily on several occassions if providence had not intervened. Not because I was trying to be dangerous but because I was chasing the tail and pushing way harder than I had any right to be doing to keep up. And I've been out tooling with another gent when we were passed on a narrow 2-lane by a cadre of dc-cycles "fast group" hauling ass thru blind corner after another. We both figured somebody was going to die that day. FWIW I probably wouldn't have to look too hard to find a dozen people who would say something like, "matt seemed like a really nice guy" and so forth. Doesn't change the fact that I'd be dead because of my inexperience, mistake, or action of some third party. > I'm also wondering how many more Thornton Gap fatalities it's going > to take on 211 before the authorities lower the speed limit and > enforce it aggressively? I agree the 55mph is really a touch high but even if they left that perfectly alone and everybody bothered to keep it at the double-nickle it would still provide plenty of 'fun'. But that's the basic problem, isn't. Using (abusing?) public roads for one's amusement? I wonder if instead of traffic tickets we instead forced them to buy track-day passes at Summit (at a premium). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 21:03:53 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'Verde, Robert'" , "'Fish Flowers'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Shoppin'! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:03:41 -0500 > I think I'd be prepared to take somewhat less > techno-magic than the BMW offers for the cost savings; the > 1200GS MSRP is 15,200.00, and that's not even the > "Adventure" model! Sounds like my reasoning - LOVED the GSs that I've rented. Bought a used Vstrom 1000 at Champion last August. $6,000 or so covers a LOT of sins (and the 'Strom is one VERY nice scooter). I'm really puzzled why they're not selling better than they are. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 21:15:10 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Product naming - was: RE: Never met him/don't own one Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:14:58 -0500 > As far as reliability goes ... HD makes a fairly reliable > product these days. But considering the technology being > employed - it *should* be reliable. They've had 68 years since the introduction of the OHV engine (the EL "Knucklehaed") to get the bugs out. In a completely new direction, I just realized that Intel has taken a page from the Harley book on product naming. When the EL was replaced by the FL (Pan Head) series, the designation changed. Were they consistent, the Shovelhead whould have been the GL (beating Honda to the punch), HL for the EVO and IL for the present twin cam. Sorta like Intel with the Pentium 2, 3, & 4 - we should be on the Octium now. Maybe they had a problem with putting out a "Sexium" chip. On that note... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 21:29:42 2004 Cc: DC-Cycles From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: DL 650? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:29:53 -0500 To: Fish Flowers Why would you want that Jap crap disposable bike? Buy a Sportster instead. Seriously, when I first read about it, I liked a lot of things: larger fuel tank, more suspension travel, more wind protection. But after reading a couple of reports I'm irked. Why on earth did Suzuki detune the thing? It's not like the SV engine is lacking in midrange in its original state of tune. But then I read that the engine is still pretty snappy: http://www.motorcycledaily.com/19january04_2004suzuki_vstrom650.htm So hey, I say buy it. It seems perfect for your needs. A bit pricey compared to the SV, though. On Mar 15, 2004, at 5:44 PM, Fish Flowers wrote: > Any thoughts on the Baby Strom? I'm starting to think it's looking > fairly > attractive for what I need... > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 21:33:13 2004 Cc: DC-Cycles From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: DL 650? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:33:24 -0500 To: Stephen Miller One gripe: Why on earth doesn't the DL650 have a centerstand? Maybe the one made for the SV (the Motech one) will fit, but my guess is that it won't. On Mar 15, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Stephen Miller wrote: > Why would you want that Jap crap disposable bike? Buy a Sportster > instead. > > Seriously, when I first read about it, I liked a lot of things: larger > fuel tank, more suspension travel, more wind protection. But after > reading a couple of reports I'm irked. Why on earth did Suzuki detune > the thing? It's not like the SV engine is lacking in midrange in its > original state of tune. > > But then I read that the engine is still pretty snappy: > > http://www.motorcycledaily.com/19january04_2004suzuki_vstrom650.htm > > So hey, I say buy it. It seems perfect for your needs. A bit pricey > compared to the SV, though. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 21:34:09 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: DL 650? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:33:58 -0500 > Why on earth did Suzuki detune the thing? It's not like the > SV engine is lacking in midrange in its original state of tune. Perhaps they were looking for a flatter torque curve. I find myself taking exception to the term "detune". It infers that the only thing that any engine should do is to make the highest peak horsepower that it possibly can, and any other state of tune is somehow lacking. Considering the time that I spend at the horsepower peak of ANY of the bikes that I ride, I find that a fat midrange is much more useful over the life of any given ride. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 21:36:23 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: DL 650? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:36:11 -0500 > One gripe: Why on earth doesn't the DL650 have a > centerstand? Maybe the one made for the SV (the Motech one) > will fit, but my guess is that it won't. Agree - the first thing that I installed on my 1000 was the centerstand. Wouldn't be without one. FWIW, I haven't looked, but is the 650 fitted for swingarm spools? It's not as handy as a centerstand, but for those at-home chores it's O.K. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 21:57:15 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:56:16 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Never met him/don't own one At 05:45 PM 3/15/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >So it's not so much Bartman's size and inseam, but bad knees and riding >preference, that keep him off the sportbikes. Nothing wrong with that, >life would be boring if we all wanted to ride the same bikes. :-) Agreed. I did once ride that Honda 700, and I was the same height I am now. The knees were a bit better then, but it was very uncomfortable for me anyway. I rode it, but I never rode it all that far. 60 miles was a long ride, with a fair bit of pain by the time I got home much of the time (shorter rides and more pain if 2-up). I wonder if your friends are just putting up with discomfort and poor fit because it's the kind of bike they want to ride, and they don't come any bigger? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 21:57:17 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:51:44 -0500 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Size Does Matter! (was: Re: Never met him/don't own one) At 04:09 PM 3/15/04 -0600, Sean Jordan wrote: >Bartman wrote: >>I'm 5'18" and my inseam is 34". >>I'm not into Yoga. > >Most people would say they are 6' 6", but if you want to say 5ft, 18 in, >fine by me. :) I usually do say 6'6", when I'm not saying "198 cm", but 5'18" sometimes gets the point across better. In elevators it's also useful to keep them busy until the doors open and I can try to get off before the inevitable, "Do you play basketball?" question. >I'm assuming you meant 5ft. 8in. Nope. 5'8" is slightly short for a guy, though a couple of inches over average for a woman. I've said I'm tall... > I'm 5' 10" with a 32" inseam. Drop in a >Suzuki dealer and sit on one sometime. If you like the fit, try an SV1000 - >still cheaper than a Harley, and you get 100+ ponies right out of the box >(and even better suspension and brakes). I'll try anything I come across at least once. I tested the fit on some Buels at the D.C. show...all *way* too small for me...though the one used for the Rider's Edge program that Harley runs (BRC for more money) would be marginally ridable if I sat way back on the passenger pillion. That gets the leg to foot control angle right, and also raises me up a couple of inches. Unfortunately, it also shifts most of my weight (300 lbs in full gear) back over, or even behind, the rear axle, and I wonder what that's going to do to controllability? Nothing good, I'm sure. Most Harleys are too small as well. Sportsters are pretty much out. The V-Rod would require control changes, and my GF says it looks silly with me on it anyway. Road Kings with lower fairings are out, as there's no way to move the foot controls forward enough to work for me like I did on my bike. Some of the Dynas, like the Wide Glide, would work, with only minor control changes and I could probably manage if I had to with them stock...just takes more ankle stretch than is comfortable to stay over the brake, but not on it (if that makes sense). Once I get myself moved, and free up some time I want to look into building a bike. Probably start with either a basket case restoration or a kit, but eventually it would be fun to build one from some purchased parts and some fabricated pieces. In the mean time, I watch the shows I can that are doing that stuff, and try to focus on the work, rather than the drama the producers *think* people are interested in, read books about it and related subjects (welding, sheet metal work, painting, etc.), and am gradually working my way into working on the bike I have, starting simply at first (bolt on parts, oil changes, adjustments, etc.). If I ever get to the point of building a bike frame up, I'll build a frame that actually fits me well...by then I should have a really solid idea of what that will look like. I don't think it will need to be quite as big as the one Jessie built for Shaq, but it will be bigger than normal by 10-15% percent, same as me. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 22:36:28 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:36:07 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: DL 650? To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Any thoughts on the Baby Strom? I'm starting to think it's looking fairly > attractive for what I need... From all the reviews, it looks like a great bike. I'm considering one myself, for a second bike. If it offered ABS, I'd have my order in already. It's a damn shame that motorcycle marketing is evolving like cage marketing in the US , with high-tech features offered only on the biggest displacement top-of-the-line models. In Europes, for example, ABS is being offered on several mid-size bikes at the same time it's made available on the big boys. American marketers don't seem to understand that you might want an agile lightweight machine, and still want the high-tech features. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 15 22:55:12 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Rider down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jason Picton wrote: > gee whiz, Larry you are all heart, unfortunately it's small and black... I > am so glad you can so easily right off someone's life like that - cause you > are a man of such experience and all.... I didn't know him, Jason. I said that. Yes, I've seen more than my share of body bags, and filled a goodly number of them. We all die, in case this hadn't occured to you yet. > .... He just seemed like a nice guy.. Lord knows he was not as > self-absorbed as I was at 22 - he was a just a kid. >... However, making a blank statement > like you did .... "If you ride like that, some of you are going down. If > some go down, some of you will die" after something like this happens is > just crass and out of line... It's a simple fact of life, Jason. Sometimes you have to face up to such things. If one extreme sport bike rider does so, and doesn't die as a result, so much the better. If enough riders change their practices on roads like 211 and take it to the tracks, that's better yet -- and it might help preserve our right to ride motos on public roads. I will admit my attitude may be colored by my experience -- but then at age 22 I was an Army captain in command of a 325-man company outside Pleiku. I didn't have time to cry about those who voluntarily lowered their own odds of survival. > We know the risks, and we take them willingly knowing it might happen, it > doesn't mean it's NOT sad or tragic when it happens... Sad maybe, for those who know the person, but not tragic. If someone calculates the risks and undertakes an activity, and then loses at the odds, it's not tragic. Please look up the word. > - nor do we need anyone reminding us of the danger after the fact. What's the oft-repeated Jack Nicholson line -- "You can't handle the truth"? Sorry you lost a friend, but he gambled and lost. The truth is that any one of us could lose tomorrow so long as we're on two wheels; we don't have to ride in ways that increase the odds against us. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 00:16:18 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:16:03 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rider down pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > What's the oft-repeated Jack Nicholson line -- "You can't handle the truth"? > > Sorry you lost a friend, but he gambled and lost. The truth is that any one of us > could lose tomorrow so long as we're on two wheels; we don't have to ride in ways > that increase the odds against us. > > -- Larry I'm going to take the unpopular position here and agree with Larry. I used to be a squid. I did stupid things, and probably am lucky not to have wound up in the armco along 211 or some other road. People don't seem to really, honestly grasp the ramifications of their actions sometimes. Zooming up 211 at a high rate of speed (legal or illegal) seems like a lot of fun, until something goes wrong. If you look along the side of that road, you will see two things: Armco and long falls. Neither are soft and fluffy. If you don't respect that, and bet against those odds long enough, you will lose. There is little chance of any other outcome. I think that's the point Larry is trying to make, and I agree. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 02:30:53 2004 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:30:40 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: Shoppin'! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX for the DL650 list is $6499 cost is $5549 (INCLUDES! shipping to dealership) assembly is $50 (1hr) dealer holdback is 3% of list ($195) The dealership in Toledo OH (for example - cribbed from CycleTrader) is basically selling them for cost + holdback so they realize boldback * 2 ($400) as their profit / bike. I don't know what Romney's numbers are. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 06:51:27 2004 Subject: Slicker From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Mar 2004 06:48:00 -0500 I thought I was going to be the only rider coming in this morning but just as I'm getting to the Springfield offramp (95N HOV), off comes someone on a bike. It's loud but *pop* *pop* loud not *blat* *blat* loud. I hung back about half way and then cruised up and rode offset. We got to the first light on 14th St and I see that it's a Triumph. We both made the right turn on Independance, wait at the light and then boogie on. Oh, and watch the manhole covers. I did a little dance as I accelerated from that light on Independance (let's see, release the throttle, hands _off_ the brakes, straightens out, accelerate; evaluation _after_ the incident). Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 07:24:23 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:24:01 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mailing list statistics... X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Damn! I made it on the list TWICE!! :-) I'll have to work on those numbers. ;-) I thought I was laying low enough not to become a statistic. LOL Scooter (statistically speaking, that is.) In a message dated 3/15/2004 5:55:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > As requested by the prolific busa rider. > > I made the top 10!!! > > You are going to want to view them in a fixed font to get the full effect. > > Regards, > > Rob > > Statistics from 14.1.1999 to 15.3.2004 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ***** Best authors, by average size of their message (w/o quoting): > +----+-----Author--------------------------------------------+-bytes-+ > | 1 | shanesr74@XXXXXX | 74047 | > | 2 | dhallis@XXXXXX | 8525 | > | 3 | scooterfzr@XXXXXX | 3567 | > > ***** Table of maximal quoting: > +----+-----Author------------------------------------------+-Percent-+ > | 1 | crawford879123@XXXXXX | 96.76 % | > | 2 | vandtdimarco@XXXXXX | 94.99 % | > | 3 | mayor_canterbury@XXXXXX | 88.63 % | > | 4 | rtkarcher@XXXXXX | 86.90 % | > | 5 | ericwinslow@XXXXXX | 86.88 % | > | 6 | tgpollard@XXXXXX | 84.67 % | > | 7 | Skip@XXXXXX | 78.40 % | > | 8 | ScooterFZR@XXXXXX | 72.13 % | > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 09:19:41 2004 Subject: RE: Slicker Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:19:29 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Carl Schelin" , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com It was a little chillier than it's been the past couple of weeks, but the advertised rain was really more of a drizzle. No issues on the ride out on the toll-way, although the toll plaza grease spots were nicely coated with a film of water, way too much fun. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:48 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Slicker I thought I was going to be the only rider coming in this morning but just as I'm getting to the Springfield offramp (95N HOV), off comes someone on a bike. It's loud but *pop* *pop* loud not *blat* *blat* loud. I hung back about half way and then cruised up and rode offset. We got to the first light on 14th St and I see that it's a Triumph. We both made the right turn on Independance, wait at the light and then boogie on. Oh, and watch the manhole covers. I did a little dance as I accelerated from that light on Independance (let's see, release the throttle, hands _off_ the brakes, straightens out, accelerate; evaluation _after_ the incident). Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 09:30:44 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Rider down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 9:30:37 -0500 > > From: Brian Roach > Date: 2004/03/16 Tue AM 12:16:03 EST > To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" > CC: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Rider down > > pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > What's the oft-repeated Jack Nicholson line -- "You can't handle the truth"? > > > > Sorry you lost a friend, but he gambled and lost. The truth is that any one of us > > could lose tomorrow so long as we're on two wheels; we don't have to ride in ways > > that increase the odds against us. > > > > -- Larry > > I'm going to take the unpopular position here and agree with Larry. I > used to be a squid. I did stupid things, and probably am lucky not to > have wound up in the armco along 211 or some other road. > > People don't seem to really, honestly grasp the ramifications of their > actions sometimes. Zooming up 211 at a high rate of speed (legal or > illegal) seems like a lot of fun, until something goes wrong. If you > look along the side of that road, you will see two things: Armco and > long falls. Neither are soft and fluffy. If you don't respect that, and > bet against those odds long enough, you will lose. There is little > chance of any other outcome. > > I think that's the point Larry is trying to make, and I agree. > > - Roach I guess the thing that concerns me the most, (and this doesn't dimish the death of a rider ), is the innocent drivers that come around a blind curve just to see someone in their lane, leaning over at a high rate of speed. Not only is the rider in immediate danger, but he/she just put the driver in danger as well. Public roads are NOT meant to be raced on. This has taken on HUGE significance to me since my daughter has just received her drivers license and we were driving down the road and two guys on sport bikes went past us doing *AT LEAST* 100mph, (in a 55mph zone) leaving about 2 inches between our front bumper and the riders rear tire when he passed us. I saw the headlights coming up FAST behind us and I warned her and told her to just continue driving at the same speed we were and no matter what, don't swerve or change speed or lanes. They passing her scared the hell out of her and she was forewarned. Had it not been for me being there to warn her, I doubt she would of acted properly. Add a blind curve with deadly drop offs and it could be really ugly. I don't see how anyone would willingly get on a bike, race like the own the road and care so little for those around them that they would risk the lives of innocent people to just get a thrill. I have no idea if that's what happened here but it certainly was the case with the two idiots that passed us. Tragic if those two idiots died? Hardly. I just don't want them taking my baby girl with them. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 09:54:20 2004 Subject: RE: Slicker From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Mar 2004 09:50:55 -0500 On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 09:19, Verde, Robert wrote: > It was a little chillier than it's been the past couple of weeks, but > the advertised rain was really more of a drizzle. No issues on the ride > out on the toll-way, although the toll plaza grease spots were nicely > coated with a film of water, way too much fun. Since it was a hair less than 50 degress, I didn't have my electrics on and just had rain pants and Wal*Mart bags on my boots. I could feel cold at my back near the waist and at the top of the zipper on the jacket. I expected that I'd be walking damp when I got here but in reality it was just cold. The tailbag must have shielded a majority of the rain from crawling up my back and the scarf blocked the rain from going down my front. It's supposed to be worse this afternoon "up to an inch of accumulation". > > Robert > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 10:15:46 2004 From: "Copeland, James" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For Sale Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:15:26 -0500 For sale: Staintune high-mount carbonfibre exhaust for 2000 VFR; looks incredible, sounds even better. Bought for $600 sell for $300. Send inquiries to jimcopeland3@XXXXXX Thanks, Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 10:24:15 2004 Subject: RE: Slicker - rain gear Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:21:42 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Carl Schelin" , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com My First Gear Kilimanjaro jacket stays dry as a bone, but the overpants have started to leak, even with the thermal lining. I wear thermal pants inside the overpants, made by Prana (on sale at Hudson Trail Outfitters) similar to the ones made by Mountain Hardwear. These wick any moisture away and shed water to boot (not in them...), really a comfy combo. Even though I've lost weight and the First Gear outfit is really too big for me, I have a hard time leaving it in the closet, it's just so comfortable. Tried on some Belstaff jackets at Loudon Motorports last Saturday, and although they had great armor in the arms and shoulders, they lacked a back protector (could be added) and only came in a tri-color pattern that was a little too Eighties for me. Just that bit too small (the L) and too large (the XL) to convince me to buy. On close-out, though, offered for $150.00. Weather.Com has downgraded my local forecast (Herndon) to just rain, then overcast later today/tonight. Doesn't appear to be dropping below zero C. until the wee hours, so should be okay to ride to class (I get out at 10PM). Robert -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:51 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Slicker Since it was a hair less than 50 degress, I didn't have my electrics on and just had rain pants and Wal*Mart bags on my boots. I could feel cold at my back near the waist and at the top of the zipper on the jacket. I expected that I'd be walking damp when I got here but in reality it was just cold. The tailbag must have shielded a majority of the rain from crawling up my back and the scarf blocked the rain from going down my front. It's supposed to be worse this afternoon "up to an inch of accumulation". Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 10:26:12 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:25:56 EST Subject: Re: Robot race update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/15/2004 3:17:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > >I watched the motorcycle on the news last night, At the start, it went > about 2 feet and fell over . > They weren't expecting to be competitive yet. Their longest "ride" to date > is about 500 feet I hear. Wonder if they have talked to the "Segway" folks. same sort of problems, different axis. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 11:22:52 2004 Subject: Shifting on the R6 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:27:26 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: It happens once in awhile that I shift from 1st to 2nd or from 2nd to 1st at the r6's midrange of say 8-1k rpms and the gear does not change or I get thrown into neutral. With the clutch firmly pressed down, I try and shift again and I get a clacking sound that makes me feel like the clutch is not engaged and I am grinding a gear somehow. To remedy this I have to slow down, let go of the clutch, re-engage the clutch and shift - am I doing damage to my bike - is this something I need to be concerned about Thanks all From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 11:39:43 2004 From: "Zombie B." To: Subject: Honda SHadow Tank Size Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:39:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [192.168.1.7] at Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:39:41 -0600 I have a 92 Honda Shadow VLX (600cc). I was wondering if anyone knows if it is possible to upgrade the gas tank size without modifications to anything else? As is, I get exactly 90 miles per tank before switching to reserve. It's one of the only things that I am unhappy with on my bike. Thanks, Becca b.zombie@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 11:42:39 2004 Subject: Rider Down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:47:14 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: I spent a fair amount of time thinking about someone I did not know. I had been invited on that ride, and had I woken up early enough I would have been at Sheetz off the 66 Haymarket exit at 11:00AM. Whether it was road condition, bike malfunction, lack of tire grip\pressure or rider error, or all of these things, the fact that someone lost their life on Sunday is sad and troubling. It could have been me or anyone else. That day, next week, or three years from now. We are all dying. When someone close to me dies, I try and honor them by thinking of who they were, and what they stood for. Even though I did not know him, I have thought about Sean and the people he leaves behind. All I can do is try to lessen the odds by following the old rules - proper preparation - check your ego before starting your engine - a correct state of mind - know your limitations and those of your ride - ride your own ride I went out solo last night on a little jaunt up to Cleveland park. I took a twisty too fast and with a silver X5 in the left lane that wanted to play games with me, I had to lean, really lean into that apex and risk a low side because the X5 came partway into my lane trying to blow past me. Outside of the whole moto realm, Sunday makes me think about something I don't enjoy thinking about. The idea that everything happens for a reason and the idea that all our lives are a random series of events with little connection and perhaps little purpose. Whether in a truck, on a bike, on foot or lying down it will happen. Goodbye Sean X. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 11:46:36 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Shifting on the R6 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:34:21 -0500 Witold? R6's have some 2nd gear transmission problems. Talk to a R6 group to get a better idea on that one. Good luck with it. >From: "Julian Halton" >To: >Subject: Shifting on the R6 >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:27:26 -0500 > > >It happens once in awhile that I shift from 1st to 2nd or from 2nd to >1st at the r6's midrange of say 8-1k rpms and the gear does not change >or I get thrown into neutral. With the clutch firmly pressed down, I try >and shift again and I get a clacking sound that makes me feel like the >clutch is not engaged and I am grinding a gear somehow. > >To remedy this I have to slow down, let go of the clutch, re-engage the >clutch and shift > >- am I doing damage to my bike >- is this something I need to be concerned about > >Thanks all > _________________________________________________________________ Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win $1000! http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=CBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=JS_JASweep_MSNHotm2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 11:50:24 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:50:23 -0500 To: Brian Roach , "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Rider down Cc: DC Cycles At 12:16 AM 3/16/04 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > >> What's the oft-repeated Jack Nicholson line -- "You can't handle the truth"? >> >> Sorry you lost a friend, but he gambled and lost. The truth is that any one of us >> could lose tomorrow so long as we're on two wheels; we don't have to ride in ways >> that increase the odds against us. >> >> -- Larry > >I'm going to take the unpopular position here and agree with Larry. Me too. Most activities have some risk. Most that are commonly done also have some margin of safety. When things go unexpectedly wrong, that margin of safety is what makes the difference between a "learning experience" and a bad outcome...perhaps even a fatal one. Getting "close to the edge" usually means acting in such a way as to use up that margin of safety. If nothing goes wrong, you are ok. If it does, you don't have any margin left, and you don't get a "learning experience" you get a bad outcome...perhaps your last. Some folks think that riding well within the limits of safety...preserving as much margin of safety as they can...is "boring". If all you are interested in is adrenaline rush, that's true. Consider though why that "rush" happens...it's your body's way of telling you that you are near death. It's the body's alarm bell, telling you to *do something* to reduce the danger you are in. Back before motos, when we were all wandering around northern Africa in our skins, adrenaline was what let us climb a tree in a flash when we heard or saw some predator. It added to muscle strength, reduced pain perception, and heightened alertness...basically turbo-charged all systems so that we could get the hell out of there in a hurry, and perhaps live to pass on our genes. It didn't kick in when things were calm and fairly safe. If your riding gives you an adrenaline rush, that should be telling you something. That's your brain trying to tell you that you are in danger...that you are pushing it to the edge of safety. That you are using up your margin of safety. If you are aware of this, and choose to do it anyway because you like the feeling, that's your business. Just be aware that in such a situation if *anything* goes wrong, you probably will end up hurt or dead. "Anything" can be a mistake by you (too much throttle, wrong brake application, bad lean angle, improper tire inflation, etc), a bike problem (mechanical failure, bad gas causing a blip in power, tire blowout, etc.), or a road problem (sand, water, oil, gravel, pothole on the only line that will work at your speed, large truck around a blind curve, etc.), or even another person's failure (motorist that cuts across the double-yellow on a blind turn, fellow rider who fucks up and goes down in front of you, larger vehicle that pulls out in front of you from a side road, driveway or even the shoulder, etc.). There are all sorts of things that can go wrong. If you've given up your margin of safety you've given up options for coping with them, and being out of options is a BAD thing at such times. Perhaps the worst. >I think that's the point Larry is trying to make, and I agree. I agree with both of you. I also think Larry is just a bit disgusted that people who don't *have* to die are choosing to risk their lives for a thrill, or to impress their buddies, or other frivolous reasons. Not everyone he knew was lucky enough to have a choice about staying safe. By riding at all we are taking on some risks that we could avoid by driving H2s or M-1s. We are gaining something too, and we feel it's a good trade or we wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps it's the same with the "performance riders", just a bit farther up the danger scale...but it seems to me that they could go to the track and get all the bennies without as much risk to themselves...or others who haven't had a say in it (or who have, and said 'no' though their lawmakers...). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 11:50:26 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Julian Halton'" , Subject: RE: Rider Down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:49:57 -0500 Add playing games with cars... -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:47 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rider Down I spent a fair amount of time thinking about someone I did not know. I had been invited on that ride, and had I woken up early enough I would have been at Sheetz off the 66 Haymarket exit at 11:00AM. Whether it was road condition, bike malfunction, lack of tire grip\pressure or rider error, or all of these things, the fact that someone lost their life on Sunday is sad and troubling. It could have been me or anyone else. That day, next week, or three years from now. We are all dying. When someone close to me dies, I try and honor them by thinking of who they were, and what they stood for. Even though I did not know him, I have thought about Sean and the people he leaves behind. All I can do is try to lessen the odds by following the old rules - proper preparation - check your ego before starting your engine - a correct state of mind - know your limitations and those of your ride - ride your own ride I went out solo last night on a little jaunt up to Cleveland park. I took a twisty too fast and with a silver X5 in the left lane that wanted to play games with me, I had to lean, really lean into that apex and risk a low side because the X5 came partway into my lane trying to blow past me. Outside of the whole moto realm, Sunday makes me think about something I don't enjoy thinking about. The idea that everything happens for a reason and the idea that all our lives are a random series of events with little connection and perhaps little purpose. Whether in a truck, on a bike, on foot or lying down it will happen. Goodbye Sean X. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 11:53:58 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:54:03 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Slicker At 06:48 AM 3/16/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >Oh, and watch the manhole covers. I did a little dance as I accelerated >from that light on Independance (let's see, release the throttle, hands >_off_ the brakes, straightens out, accelerate; evaluation _after_ the >incident). Yeah, I've done that before. Wet manhole covers are like ice sometimes. The one I hit was on a gentle curve, with the Honda,...I was real glad I started out on the enduro! A little rear side-slip was a wakeup, but not a disaster. ;^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 11:55:03 2004 Subject: RE: Rider Down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:59:38 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Jim McGonigle" , FYI- I was not (then or ever) interested in playing but did not want to attempt to slow down in the middle of a curve on a damp road. I chose the lean harder option and it gave me and my bike a tighter turn angle so that x5 could blow right on by in both lanes. -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:50 AM To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider Down Add playing games with cars... -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:47 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rider Down I spent a fair amount of time thinking about someone I did not know. I had been invited on that ride, and had I woken up early enough I would have been at Sheetz off the 66 Haymarket exit at 11:00AM. Whether it was road condition, bike malfunction, lack of tire grip\pressure or rider error, or all of these things, the fact that someone lost their life on Sunday is sad and troubling. It could have been me or anyone else. That day, next week, or three years from now. We are all dying. When someone close to me dies, I try and honor them by thinking of who they were, and what they stood for. Even though I did not know him, I have thought about Sean and the people he leaves behind. All I can do is try to lessen the odds by following the old rules - proper preparation - check your ego before starting your engine - a correct state of mind - know your limitations and those of your ride - ride your own ride I went out solo last night on a little jaunt up to Cleveland park. I took a twisty too fast and with a silver X5 in the left lane that wanted to play games with me, I had to lean, really lean into that apex and risk a low side because the X5 came partway into my lane trying to blow past me. Outside of the whole moto realm, Sunday makes me think about something I don't enjoy thinking about. The idea that everything happens for a reason and the idea that all our lives are a random series of events with little connection and perhaps little purpose. Whether in a truck, on a bike, on foot or lying down it will happen. Goodbye Sean X. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 11:55:20 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:55:24 -0500 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Mailing list statistics... At 07:24 AM 3/16/04 -0500, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Damn! I made it on the list TWICE!! :-) I'll have to work on those numbers. ;-) I thought I was laying low enough not to become a statistic. LOL > >Scooter (statistically speaking, that is.) You kept a bit more of that one than you really needed to. Going for a higher score on "maximal quoting" next time? :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 11:58:08 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Rider Down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > All I can do is try to lessen the odds by following the old rules > > - proper preparation > - check your ego before starting your engine > - a correct state of mind > - know your limitations and those of your ride > - ride your own ride So you thought about those factors.... > took a twisty too fast and with a silver X5 in the left lane that > wanted to play games with me, I had to lean, really lean into that apex > and risk a low side because the X5 came partway into my lane trying to > blow past me. ...and then threw them out the window and risked your life because an *SUV* challenged you. What color flowers would you prefer DC-Cycles to send to your wake? We might as well get that out of the way now, while we still can. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 12:08:17 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:01:02 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Slicker - rain gear At 10:21 AM 3/16/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >My First Gear Kilimanjaro jacket stays dry as a bone, but the overpants have started to leak, even with the thermal lining. Are they leaking at the seams? Or through the cloth? I've used seam sealer on my tent's seams in the past...worked pretty well. Might be worth a shot if you are leaking through seams on your pants. I'd expect any camping supply place to have it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 12:20:02 2004 From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Biker sighting at Crystal City USPTO... a lister? Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:08:13 -0500 It's just after 12:00 pm Tuesday March 16. I just saw someone get into the USPTO elevator in Crystal Park 2 wearing black protective gear and holding a white Shoei helmet. Are you on the DC Cycles list? Does anyone on this list work at the USPTO? If so, where do you park, and how much does it cost? -Aaron Ward (examiner) _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage )B– 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 12:23:35 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Slicker Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:23:28 -0500 > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/03/16 Tue AM 11:54:03 EST > To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Slicker > > At 06:48 AM 3/16/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Oh, and watch the manhole covers. I did a little dance as I accelerated > >from that light on Independance (let's see, release the throttle, hands > >_off_ the brakes, straightens out, accelerate; evaluation _after_ the > >incident). > > Yeah, I've done that before. Wet manhole covers are like ice sometimes. > The one I hit was on a gentle curve, with the Honda,...I was real glad I > started out on the enduro! A little rear side-slip was a wakeup, but not a > disaster. ;^) > > -- Mike B. ..and don't forget about the painted lines. Especially at cross walks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 12:24:27 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Rider Down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:22:01 -0500 From "Time Enough For Love" by Robert Heinlein: "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." A bit blunt, perhaps, but none the less true. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 12:40:13 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:39:34 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Slicker At 12:23 PM 3/16/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> From: Mike Bartman >> At 06:48 AM 3/16/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >> >Oh, and watch the manhole covers. I did a little dance as I accelerated >> Yeah, I've done that before. Wet manhole covers are like ice sometimes. > >..and don't forget about the painted lines. Especially at cross walks. The worst ones aren't painted...they are put down with a torch. They are slightly raised, and sort of a rubbery material. They heat the pavement and the lines with a propane torch, then put them down. Sometimes they shift before they firm up, or maybe later on a really hot day...I've seen some crazy lines in places. The "stop lines" (the wide ones that mark the place you aren't supposed to cross when the light is red) are often done this way. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 12:42:34 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Slicker Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:42:27 -0500 Yup..that's exactly the ones I'm referring to. thanks. > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/03/16 Tue PM 12:39:34 EST > To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Slicker > > At 12:23 PM 3/16/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >> From: Mike Bartman > >> At 06:48 AM 3/16/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > >> >Oh, and watch the manhole covers. I did a little dance as I accelerated > > >> Yeah, I've done that before. Wet manhole covers are like ice sometimes. > > > >..and don't forget about the painted lines. Especially at cross walks. > > The worst ones aren't painted...they are put down with a torch. They are > slightly raised, and sort of a rubbery material. They heat the pavement > and the lines with a propane torch, then put them down. Sometimes they > shift before they firm up, or maybe later on a really hot day...I've seen > some crazy lines in places. The "stop lines" (the wide ones that mark the > place you aren't supposed to cross when the light is red) are often done > this way. > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 12:56:46 2004 Subject: RE: Rider Down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:47:15 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com True enough, if a bit preachy. However, in this matter I have to agree with Julian. The fact that a fellow rider died should not just be an excuse to issue admonitions, some might think it more decorous to observe his passing and wish his family well. Sure, lessons can be learned, but I don't think it would hurt anyone to give one last (metaphoriacl) wave to a fellow enthusiast. I didn't know the young man, but I hope his family hears only the condolences, not the criticisms. Robert -----Original Message----- From: mjordan812@XXXXXX [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider Down From "Time Enough For Love" by Robert Heinlein: "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." A bit blunt, perhaps, but none the less true. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 13:01:51 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: DL 650? Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:01:58 -0500 To: DC-Cycles On Mar 15, 2004, at 9:33 PM, Michael Jordan wrote: > > I find myself taking exception to the term "detune". It infers that > the only > thing that any engine should do is to make the highest peak horsepower > that > it possibly can, and any other state of tune is somehow lacking. > > Considering the time that I spend at the horsepower peak of ANY of the > bikes > that I ride, I find that a fat midrange is much more useful over the > life of > any given ride. My gripe is that in its stock state of tune, the SV650 engine already has a wonderfully flat torque curve, with high hp available well before redline. I'm criticizing the tradeoffs made from that starting point, that they amount to a net "detune." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 13:10:59 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:06:22 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Biker sighting at Crystal City USPTO... a lister? To: Aaron Ward , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Aaron Ward wrote: > It's just after 12:00 pm Tuesday March 16. I just saw someone get into the > USPTO elevator in Crystal Park 2 wearing black protective gear and holding a > white Shoei helmet. Are you on the DC Cycles list? > > Does anyone on this list work at the USPTO? If so, where do you park, and > how much does it cost? It wasn't me, but I work in Park 3. In decent weather, you can find anywhere from one to three dozen bikes under the Crystal Park buildings. Most of the rest of the year, it's just my 919 and my buddy Chris's 600RR (which he recently wadded) or KTM Duke II under Park 3. I'll give you a call at work this afternoon about parking. -- Larry (larson at uspto.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 13:14:42 2004 Subject: RE: Slicker - rain gear From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Mar 2004 13:11:17 -0500 On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 10:21, Verde, Robert wrote: > My First Gear Kilimanjaro jacket stays dry as a bone, but the overpants > have started to leak, even with the thermal lining. I wear thermal pants > inside the overpants, made by Prana (on sale at Hudson Trail Outfitters) > similar to the ones made by Mountain Hardwear. These wick any moisture > away and shed water to boot (not in them...), really a comfy combo. > The problem with the JR jacket is the neck and wrist closures. They're just snaps which leaves a gap if you're not exactly that size. If I had thought about it, I'd have put on my Tourmaster Rain Jacket under the JR jacket instead of the JR rain liner. Then I'd have had protection, warmth, and no perceived or actual leaks. > Weather.Com has downgraded my local forecast (Herndon) to just rain, then > overcast later today/tonight. Doesn't appear to be dropping below zero C. > until the wee hours, so should be okay to ride to class (I get out at 10PM). > Good. It seemed a little chillier this morning but not too cold. > Robert Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 13:15:56 2004 Subject: Re: Re: Slicker From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Mar 2004 13:12:32 -0500 On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 12:23, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > ...and don't forget about the painted lines. Especially at cross walks. > > I watch for the painted lines/crosswalks all the time. I applied my don't crash techniques to the situation and amazingly enough, didn't crash. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 13:30:39 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:30:28 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shifting on the R6 X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 I've never really had a problem with mine shifting from 1st to 2nd and back. Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:34:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > > > Witold? > R6's have some 2nd gear transmission problems. Talk to a R6 group to get a > better idea on that one. > Good luck with it. > > >From: "Julian Halton" > >To: > >Subject: Shifting on the R6 > >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:27:26 -0500 > > > > > >It happens once in awhile that I shift from 1st to 2nd or from 2nd to > >1st at the r6's midrange of say 8-1k rpms and the gear does not change > >or I get thrown into neutral. With the clutch firmly pressed down, I try > >and shift again and I get a clacking sound that makes me feel like the > >clutch is not engaged and I am grinding a gear somehow. > > > >To remedy this I have to slow down, let go of the clutch, re-engage the > >clutch and shift > > > >- am I doing damage to my bike > >- is this something I need to be concerned about > > > >Thanks all From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 13:31:29 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:31:15 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rider Down I didn't meant to sound harsh, and it is sad for the family and friends. I guess the point I was trying to make is that year after year, we see this. How many bad crashes and fatalities has 211 racked up in the last 5 years alone? But no one seems to learn from it. We all hear "He was such a great guy", "He died doing what he loved", and "He was a good rider, he wasn't like those other guys" ... then two weeks later his friends will all be up on 211 doing the same thing that got him killed. I don't want to sound preachy, but it seems no one ever comes out and says the things that need to be said, like "Hey, if you keep doing that, you're going to wind up just like him. It's not smart". - Roach Verde, Robert wrote: > True enough, if a bit preachy. > > However, in this matter I have to agree with Julian. The fact that a fellow rider died should not just be an excuse to issue admonitions, some might think it more decorous to observe his passing and wish his family well. Sure, lessons can be learned, but I don't think it would hurt anyone to give one last (metaphoriacl) wave to a fellow enthusiast. > > I didn't know the young man, but I hope his family hears only the condolences, not the criticisms. > > Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 13:32:15 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:31:56 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mailing list statistics... X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 I just wanted to show who was above me on the list. LOL Scooter In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:55:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > > > At 07:24 AM 3/16/04 -0500, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >Damn! I made it on the list TWICE!! :-) I'll have to work on those > numbers. ;-) I thought I was laying low enough not to become a statistic. > LOL > > > >Scooter (statistically speaking, that is.) > > You kept a bit more of that one than you really needed to. Going for a > higher score on "maximal quoting" next time? :^) > > -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 13:41:37 2004 Subject: Re: Rider Down From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Mar 2004 13:38:12 -0500 On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 13:31, Brian Roach wrote: > I don't want to sound preachy, but it seems no one ever comes out and > says the things that need to be said, like "Hey, if you keep doing that, > you're going to wind up just like him. It's not smart". > Perhaps they should put up one of the construction type signs. ==== There have been nnn accidents on 211 in the past 6 months. Of them, there have been nn serious injuries resulting in the inability to ride again and n deaths. [ Map of rider-down spots ] Please ride safe. ==== I guess there's a problem with tacit approval of squidly behavour. Maybe if the fines are more expensive than track day? > - Roach > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 14:17:28 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider Down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:05:29 -0500 One of my favorite Heinlein quotes! Perry >From: >To: >Subject: Re: Rider Down >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:22:01 -0500 > >From "Time Enough For Love" by Robert Heinlein: > >"Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by >legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. >But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, >there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without >pity." > >A bit blunt, perhaps, but none the less true. > >Michael J. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 14:18:23 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Shifting on the R6 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:18:22 -0500 Didn't someone get a large repair bill on the list because of the R6 2nd gear troubles. They said Yamaha is writing of the problem as squids pulling to many wheelies... Rob On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:34:21 -0500, rich hall wrote > Witold? > R6's have some 2nd gear transmission problems. Talk to a R6 group > to get a better idea on that one. Good luck with it. > > >From: "Julian Halton" > >To: > >Subject: Shifting on the R6 > >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:27:26 -0500 > > > > > >It happens once in awhile that I shift from 1st to 2nd or from 2nd to > >1st at the r6's midrange of say 8-1k rpms and the gear does not change > >or I get thrown into neutral. With the clutch firmly pressed down, I try > >and shift again and I get a clacking sound that makes me feel like the > >clutch is not engaged and I am grinding a gear somehow. > > > >To remedy this I have to slow down, let go of the clutch, re-engage the > >clutch and shift > > > >- am I doing damage to my bike > >- is this something I need to be concerned about > > > >Thanks all > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win > $1000! http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=CBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=JS_JASweep_MSNHotm2 -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 14:26:10 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:43:47 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Rider Down On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Verde, Robert wrote: > I didn't know the young man, but I hope his family hears only the condolences, not the criticisms. > > Robert Very well said, Robert. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 14:48:44 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:06:24 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rider Down On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Brian Roach wrote: > I didn't meant to sound harsh, and it is sad for the family and friends. [...] > I don't want to sound preachy, but it seems no one ever comes out and > says the things that need to be said, like "Hey, if you keep doing that, > you're going to wind up just like him. It's not smart". Why don't we preach to the fat people on the list about losing weight? What about the smokers on the list? Obviously those are rhetorical questions, but you get my point :-) Everyone knows this stuff is dangerous. There is not one person who rides a motorcycle that does not know the risks involved with riding. Those kids screaming up and down 211 (and other roads) know that people die doing it, but everyone thinks it won't happen to them. My .02 :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 14:52:31 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:46:02 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Rider Down At 12:47 PM 3/16/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >I didn't know the young man, but I hope his family hears only the condolences, not the criticisms. I didn't know him either, and I agree with your sentiment above, however, I didn't see the various comments as criticisms of Sean (mine certainly weren't), but as comments to consider seriously for people who ride like I'm sure most of us have seen others riding at times, and as some people here have talked about riding themselves on occasion. We don't know why Sean went down. We don't know how he was riding at the time. He may, or may not, have been riding in a way that the comments triggered by his accident are referring to. We weren't there. Given the location, the kind of weather that existed, the group he was riding with and their history as related by some here, the comment about his riding with the "fast group", our knowledge of other folks who fit his general description, our having been 22 ourselves at one time, and the sort of accident involved, it's not unreasonable to think that he might have been pushing things a bit more than was legal or smart...but that's an assumption in his case. It's *certainly* true of others who haven't yet managed to kill themselves doing it, and it's those folks the words have been directed at. Perhaps if they listen, and Heinlein is wrong, someone else won't die too on some future nice day. That's the motivation I think. If folks weren't affected by Sean's death, nobody would have bothered to try to avoid a repeat. Call it a wake-up call, with Sean ringing the bell. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 14:52:33 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:52:27 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Rider Down At 01:38 PM 3/16/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >Perhaps they should put up one of the construction type signs. > >==== >There have been nnn accidents on 211 in the past 6 months. > >Of them, there have been nn serious injuries resulting in the inability >to ride again and n deaths. > >[ Map of rider-down spots ] > >Please ride safe. >==== That's not a bad idea...wonder what it would cost? Should it have separate totals for cars and bikes? How would you update the figure? Re-paint? Use one of those lighted number things like they use on the radar speed signs that can just roll up the total as the crashes occur? What other roads should get such signs? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 14:53:38 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:53:19 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size To: "Zombie B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've done that on a couple of my bikes. If you're not in a hurry and want to see several different method for increasing your fuel supply, you should go to the start or ending of the MD2020 rally. www.masondixon20-20.org There are several methods for doing this. The Ninja 250 that I rode in the Iron Butt Rally had it's stock tank changed from 5 gallons to 10.5. My ZX6 tank was changed from 5 to about 10. I've also got a 5 gallon JAZ fuel cell that I'd be willing to sell if you would like to go that route. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 14:57:48 2004 From: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Rider Down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:57:42 -0500 > > From: Wayne Edelen > Date: 2004/03/16 Tue PM 03:06:24 EST > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Rider Down > > On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Brian Roach wrote: > > > I didn't meant to sound harsh, and it is sad for the family and friends. > [...] > > I don't want to sound preachy, but it seems no one ever comes out and > > says the things that need to be said, like "Hey, if you keep doing that, > > you're going to wind up just like him. It's not smart". > > Why don't we preach to the fat people on the list about losing weight? > What about the smokers on the list? Obviously those are rhetorical > questions, but you get my point :-) > > Everyone knows this stuff is dangerous. There is not one person who rides > a motorcycle that does not know the risks involved with riding. Those > kids screaming up and down 211 (and other roads) know that people die > doing it, but everyone thinks it won't happen to them. > > My .02 :-) > ..hey no problem. Just close the road first to all other traffic. Then they can race away to their hearts content. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 15:02:04 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "Zombie B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:04:44 -0500 How do they do this on the stock tanks? Cut around the top and weld an extension on? Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:53 PM > To: Zombie B.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size > > I've done that on a couple of my bikes. If you're not > in a hurry and want to see several different method > for increasing your fuel supply, you should go to the > start or ending of the MD2020 rally. > www.masondixon20-20.org There are several methods for > doing this. > > The Ninja 250 that I rode in the Iron Butt Rally had > it's stock tank changed from 5 gallons to 10.5. My > ZX6 tank was changed from 5 to about 10. I've also > got a 5 gallon JAZ fuel cell that I'd be willing to > sell if you would like to go that route. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 15:28:47 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:28:07 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size To: Michael Lynch , "Zombie B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yes, that's essentially the method. I try to stay about an inch away from the handlebars, sometimes the front has to be a bit lower so that vision to the gauges isn't blocked. On the sides, I try to cut the tank at the widest part so the extensions come straight up with the largest surface area (therefore it doesn't have to be raised as far.) In the back, there is sometimes a concern about whether it will interfere with the riders stomach, if that's a problem, then the tank will be slanted forward as it goes up. Leon. --- Michael Lynch wrote: > How do they do this on the stock tanks? Cut around > the top and weld an > extension on? > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:53 PM > > To: Zombie B.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size > > > > I've done that on a couple of my bikes. If you're > not > > in a hurry and want to see several different > method > > for increasing your fuel supply, you should go to > the > > start or ending of the MD2020 rally. > > www.masondixon20-20.org There are several methods > for > > doing this. > > > > The Ninja 250 that I rode in the Iron Butt Rally > had > > it's stock tank changed from 5 gallons to 10.5. > My > > ZX6 tank was changed from 5 to about 10. I've > also > > got a 5 gallon JAZ fuel cell that I'd be willing > to > > sell if you would like to go that route. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less > spam > > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 15:48:07 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "Zombie B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:50:49 -0500 Very interesting. These tanks have a lot of different curves to them. How do you fit the new sheet metal to conform to the curves and not make the tank look all disjointed? There's either a WAY complex sheet that goes all the way around, or a bunch of patches fit in, right? With a bunch of smaller sheets, you may retain some of the tank rigidity with overlapping pieces. One big piece that's a thick enough gauge would be a bear to mold, although relief cuts may help. This is concept is very interesting to me, as I was thinking of modifying a stock VTR1000 (famous for passing everything but a gas station) tank for increased capacity. Any details you could supply would be greatly appreciated. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 3:28 PM > To: Michael Lynch; Zombie B.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size > > Yes, that's essentially the method. I try to stay > about an inch away from the handlebars, sometimes the > front has to be a bit lower so that vision to the > gauges isn't blocked. On the sides, I try to cut the > tank at the widest part so the extensions come > straight up with the largest surface area (therefore > it doesn't have to be raised as far.) In the back, > there is sometimes a concern about whether it will > interfere with the riders stomach, if that's a > problem, then the tank will be slanted forward as it > goes up. > > Leon. > --- Michael Lynch wrote: > > How do they do this on the stock tanks? Cut around > > the top and weld an > > extension on? > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:53 PM > > > To: Zombie B.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size > > > > > > I've done that on a couple of my bikes. If you're > > not > > > in a hurry and want to see several different > > method > > > for increasing your fuel supply, you should go to > > the > > > start or ending of the MD2020 rally. > > > www.masondixon20-20.org There are several methods > > for > > > doing this. > > > > > > The Ninja 250 that I rode in the Iron Butt Rally > > had > > > it's stock tank changed from 5 gallons to 10.5. > > My > > > ZX6 tank was changed from 5 to about 10. I've > > also > > > got a 5 gallon JAZ fuel cell that I'd be willing > > to > > > sell if you would like to go that route. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less > > spam > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 16:12:44 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:12:34 EST Subject: Re: Slicker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/16/2004 12:23:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > ..and don't forget about the painted lines. Especially at cross walks. I used to ask MSF students "What do big white arrows at intersections mean?" They would say something like "Turn coming up." And I would add "It means there is a big arrow shaped slippery spot coming up." New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 16:29:15 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom De Subject: Fwd: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There are three methods of fixin' up the tank range on the VTR: 1) pay the $12-15k for a CF or AL custom tank (~5-6> US gals) 2) pay www.dynamohumm.com $430 for a euro spec 19 liter (like i'm about to do ). !!! NOTE!!! I've emailed dynamohumm.com and the reply was "... it bolts right on, I've got one on my '98 VTR..." !!! 3) or fab your own... I know of only one guy to do this. It worked but cost him about $750. He used an ebay'ed VTR tank and added to it. I asked for details but he sold his VTR and disappeared before I got a reply for build details/pics. Good luck, Tom de '98 VTR > --- Michael Lynch wrote: > > Very interesting. These tanks have a lot of > > different curves to them. How > > do you fit the new sheet metal to conform to the > > curves and not make the > > tank look all disjointed? There's either a WAY > > complex sheet that goes all > > the way around, or a bunch of patches fit in, > right? > > With a bunch of > > smaller sheets, you may retain some of the tank > > rigidity with overlapping > > pieces. One big piece that's a thick enough gauge > > would be a bear to mold, > > although relief cuts may help. > > > > This is concept is very interesting to me, as I > was > > thinking of modifying a > > stock VTR1000 (famous for passing everything but a > > gas station) tank for > > increased capacity. Any details you could supply > > would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 3:28 PM > > > To: Michael Lynch; Zombie B.; > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size > > > > > > Yes, that's essentially the method. I try to > stay > > > about an inch away from the handlebars, > sometimes > > the > > > front has to be a bit lower so that vision to > the > > > gauges isn't blocked. On the sides, I try to > cut > > the > > > tank at the widest part so the extensions come > > > straight up with the largest surface area > > (therefore > > > it doesn't have to be raised as far.) In the > > back, > > > there is sometimes a concern about whether it > will > > > interfere with the riders stomach, if that's a > > > problem, then the tank will be slanted forward > as > > it > > > goes up. > > > > > > Leon. > > > --- Michael Lynch wrote: > > > > How do they do this on the stock tanks? Cut > > around > > > > the top and weld an > > > > extension on? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Leon Begeman > [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:53 PM > > > > > To: Zombie B.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size > > > > > > > > > > I've done that on a couple of my bikes. If > > you're > > > > not > > > > > in a hurry and want to see several different > > > > method > > > > > for increasing your fuel supply, you should > go > > to > > > > the > > > > > start or ending of the MD2020 rally. > > > > > www.masondixon20-20.org There are several > > methods > > > > for > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > The Ninja 250 that I rode in the Iron Butt > > Rally > > > > had > > > > > it's stock tank changed from 5 gallons to > > 10.5. > > > > My > > > > > ZX6 tank was changed from 5 to about 10. > I've > > > > also > > > > > got a 5 gallon JAZ fuel cell that I'd be > > willing > > > > to > > > > > sell if you would like to go that route. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, > > less > > > > spam > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less > > spam > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 16:31:36 2004 From: "Zombie B." To: Michael Lynch , "'Leon Begeman'" , Subject: Re: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:31:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [192.168.1.5] at Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:31:33 -0600 Would a tank from a larger Shadow possibly fit with slight modification? Like one from a Shadow ACE, Spirit, etc. Tell me more about the fuel cell. I haven't a clue about them, but it may be the product I was thinking had to be out there. Becca > > From: Michael Lynch > Date: 2004/03/16 Tue PM 03:50:49 EST > To: 'Leon Begeman' , "Zombie B." > , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size > > Very interesting. These tanks have a lot of different curves to them. How > do you fit the new sheet metal to conform to the curves and not make the > tank look all disjointed? There's either a WAY complex sheet that goes all > the way around, or a bunch of patches fit in, right? With a bunch of > smaller sheets, you may retain some of the tank rigidity with overlapping > pieces. One big piece that's a thick enough gauge would be a bear to mold, > although relief cuts may help. > > This is concept is very interesting to me, as I was thinking of modifying a > stock VTR1000 (famous for passing everything but a gas station) tank for > increased capacity. Any details you could supply would be greatly > appreciated. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 3:28 PM > > To: Michael Lynch; Zombie B.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size > > > > Yes, that's essentially the method. I try to stay > > about an inch away from the handlebars, sometimes the > > front has to be a bit lower so that vision to the > > gauges isn't blocked. On the sides, I try to cut the > > tank at the widest part so the extensions come > > straight up with the largest surface area (therefore > > it doesn't have to be raised as far.) In the back, > > there is sometimes a concern about whether it will > > interfere with the riders stomach, if that's a > > problem, then the tank will be slanted forward as it > > goes up. > > > > Leon. > > --- Michael Lynch wrote: > > > How do they do this on the stock tanks? Cut around > > > the top and weld an > > > extension on? > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:53 PM > > > > To: Zombie B.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size > > > > > > > > I've done that on a couple of my bikes. If you're > > > not > > > > in a hurry and want to see several different > > > method > > > > for increasing your fuel supply, you should go to > > > the > > > > start or ending of the MD2020 rally. > > > > www.masondixon20-20.org There are several methods > > > for > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > The Ninja 250 that I rode in the Iron Butt Rally > > > had > > > > it's stock tank changed from 5 gallons to 10.5. > > > My > > > > ZX6 tank was changed from 5 to about 10. I've > > > also > > > > got a 5 gallon JAZ fuel cell that I'd be willing > > > to > > > > sell if you would like to go that route. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less > > > spam > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > > http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 16:54:23 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Verde, Robert'" , mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider Down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:53:43 -0500 My thoughts exactly! Reading all this made me think that somewhere everyone lost sight of why someone would post that a fellow rider passed (as I did in November). People see lists and online forums as an avenue of expression of thoughts and sometimes emotions too. It is really sad to see someone post a notice of a friend, loved one and fellow rider getting killed, only to have people make really hurtful statements about the rider without the facts. This kids friends and loved ones don't need to hear that he was a careless sportbike rider. I don't mean to sound preachy just have an ounce of heart and respect for grieving friends and family members that might be reading this. -----Original Message----- From: Verde, Robert [mailto:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:47 PM To: mjordan812@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider Down True enough, if a bit preachy. However, in this matter I have to agree with Julian. The fact that a fellow rider died should not just be an excuse to issue admonitions, some might think it more decorous to observe his passing and wish his family well. Sure, lessons can be learned, but I don't think it would hurt anyone to give one last (metaphoriacl) wave to a fellow enthusiast. I didn't know the young man, but I hope his family hears only the condolences, not the criticisms. Robert -----Original Message----- From: mjordan812@XXXXXX [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider Down From "Time Enough For Love" by Robert Heinlein: "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." A bit blunt, perhaps, but none the less true. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 17:24:04 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider Down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:24:04 -0500 Usually the local gov't in the area keeps stats on traffic accidents and common places they occur. Like if a certain intersection has a lot of accidents they usually get revamped (add a light or change the grade of the land to allow better visibility). If 211 is as bad as it seems (I have only riden on it once) then maybe something could be done. I was a newbie when I rode on it so I was going slow but I definetly passed some people going the other way who though they were AMA track stars... Rob On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:52:27 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > At 01:38 PM 3/16/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Perhaps they should put up one of the construction type signs. > > > >==== > >There have been nnn accidents on 211 in the past 6 months. > > > >Of them, there have been nn serious injuries resulting in the inability > >to ride again and n deaths. > > > >[ Map of rider-down spots ] > > > >Please ride safe. > >==== > > That's not a bad idea...wonder what it would cost? Should it have separate > totals for cars and bikes? How would you update the figure? Re-paint? > Use one of those lighted number things like they use on the radar speed > signs that can just roll up the total as the crashes occur? > > What other roads should get such signs? > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 17:38:12 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:36:24 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider Down Rob Sharp wrote: > I definetly passed some people going the > other way who though they were AMA track stars... I've seen guys in full leathers dragging knees down that road at full tilt boogie. ::shaking head:: Perhaps they were practicing for the Isle of Man TT? :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 17:48:54 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Tom De'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Was: Shadow tank, Now: VTR tank options Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:51:36 -0500 Isn't stock 17 liters? So $430 for 2 liters? I'll take option 3 for less than $100, Alex. In amongst the *pile* in the back of the garage is another tank (our unsuspecting victim) and lots o' scrap sheet. I've got a welder, and I'm not afraid to use it. Cost would be por-15 tank liner, bondo, and finally an excuse to use bedliner. What, $50 in chemicals? Mike 98 VTR1000 "Dark"? > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom De [SMTP:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] > > There are three methods of fixin' up the tank range on > the VTR: > 1) pay the $12-15k for a CF or AL custom tank (~5-6> > US gals) > 2) pay www.dynamohumm.com $430 for a euro spec 19 > liter (like i'm about to do ). > !!! > NOTE!!! I've emailed dynamohumm.com and the reply > was > "... it bolts right on, I've got one on my '98 > VTR..." > !!! > 3) or fab your own... I know of only one guy to do > this. It worked but cost him about $750. He used an > ebay'ed VTR tank and added to it. I asked for > details but he sold his VTR and disappeared before I > got a reply for build details/pics. > > > Good luck, > > Tom de '98 VTR > > > > > > --- Michael Lynch wrote: > How > > > do you fit the new sheet metal to conform to the > > > curves and not make the > > > tank look all disjointed? > > was > > > thinking of modifying a > > > stock VTR1000 (famous for passing everything but a > > > gas station) tank for > > > increased capacity. > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 3:28 PM > > > > To: Michael Lynch; Zombie B.; > > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size > I try to > > cut > > > the > > > > tank at the widest part so the extensions come > > > > straight up with the largest surface area > > > > Leon. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 20:57:58 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Rider Down Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:57:54 -0500 About a year or so ago, I helped a friend buy his first bike. After he had a little time in the saddle, he started asking about a road his friends talked about. 211. I suggested that he stay away from 211 for a while. As it turns out, he was a part of the group with Sean that went out the other day. He told me today that it will be a very long time, if ever, before he goes back towards Sperryville. -Thomas Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 16 23:21:11 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:15:50 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Rider Down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Perhaps they should put up one of the construction type signs. > ==== > There have been nnn accidents on 211 in the past 6 months. > Of them, there have been nn serious injuries resulting in the inability > to ride again and n deaths. > [ Map of rider-down spots ] > > Please ride safe. > ==== I like what we saw all over the country in France this past January. Wherever a fatal accident has occured, the put up a life-sized human silhouette (like a range target, but 6 feet high) at the side of the road. It's black, with a white "X" on the chest. If the person who died was young, they add the age in years and months below the "X". (Picture at http://65.202.253.37/image/marker.jpg) They get your attention. When there's a cluster of three or more of them, they must make just about anyone think, if just for a moment. Maybe markers like that on 211 would have an impact. Maybe not. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 00:34:01 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:33:47 -0500 To: Michael Lynch , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size At 03:50 PM 3/16/04 -0500, Michael Lynch wrote: >This is concept is very interesting to me, as I was thinking of modifying a >stock VTR1000 (famous for passing everything but a gas station) tank for >increased capacity. What sort of mileage do these high tech modern super-improved bikes get anyway? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 00:44:07 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:42:52 -0500 To: Michael Lynch , "'Tom De'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Was: Shadow tank, Now: VTR tank options At 05:51 PM 3/16/04 -0500, Michael Lynch wrote: >Isn't stock 17 liters? So $430 for 2 liters? > >I'll take option 3 for less than $100, Alex. In amongst the *pile* in the >back of the garage is another tank (our unsuspecting victim) and lots o' >scrap sheet. I've got a welder, and I'm not afraid to use it. Cost would >be por-15 tank liner, bondo, and finally an excuse to use bedliner. What, >$50 in chemicals? If the tank isn't brand new (i.e., never used), then please be a *little* afraid to use the welder, huh? Don't need any riders getting blown out of their workspaces.... If you aren't an experienced welder, talk to someone who is, or read some books, about how to weld on a used gas tank. Most will say, "Don't." Then some will say, "But if you do, do it like this..." and give you some good advice. Washing the tank out first ain't enough to be safe...though you might get away with that sometimes. I'm not an experienced welder, but I've read some books and talked to some who are...so I can't tell you how to do it with any authority but I do advise being really, really careful...and NEVER weld on the tank with it closed up. That *will* make it go boom, no matter how clean it is, and even if you are flooding it with inert gases (welding heat expands trapped air...). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 07:00:44 2004 Subject: Re: Rider Down From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 17 Mar 2004 06:57:13 -0500 On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 23:15, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Perhaps they should put up one of the construction type signs. > > ==== > > There have been nnn accidents on 211 in the past 6 months. > > Of them, there have been nn serious injuries resulting in the inability > > to ride again and n deaths. > > [ Map of rider-down spots ] > > > > Please ride safe. > > ==== > > I like what we saw all over the country in France this past January. Wherever a > fatal accident has occured, the put up a life-sized human silhouette (like a > range target, but 6 feet high) at the side of the road. It's black, with a white > "X" on the chest. If the person who died was young, they add the age in years and > months below the "X". (Picture at http://65.202.253.37/image/marker.jpg) > They have the same thing out in Montana. Usually at a curve I noticed. Mostly one or two but there were a couple where there were 4 or 5, perhaps for a family. > They get your attention. When there's a cluster of three or more of them, they > must make just about anyone think, if just for a moment. > I think a silhouette, especially at the spot might be distracting, perhaps at the time when distractions would be dangerous. A sign at the "start" of a run might be more eye catching. > Maybe markers like that on 211 would have an impact. Maybe not. > Perhaps not the impact you'd like. > -- Larry > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 07:06:12 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:05:31 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was: Shadow tank, Now: VTR tank options Michael Lynch wrote: >Isn't stock 17 liters? So $430 for 2 liters? > > Yep. Brand new and it bolts right on. >I'll take option 3 for less than $100, Alex. In amongst the *pile* in the >back of the garage is another tank (our unsuspecting victim) and lots o' >scrap sheet. I've got a welder, and I'm not afraid to use it. Cost would >be por-15 tank liner, bondo, and finally an excuse to use bedliner. What, >$50 in chemicals? > > Like I said, I know of only one guy to do this. Cost him $750 in total. If you can do it for $150 - more power to you. >Mike >98 VTR1000 "Dark"? > > Good luck, Lazy Tom de '98 VTR > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tom De [SMTP:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] >> >>There are three methods of fixin' up the tank range on >>the VTR: >>1) pay the $12-15k for a CF or AL custom tank (~5-6> >>US gals) >>2) pay www.dynamohumm.com $430 for a euro spec 19 >>liter (like i'm about to do ). >> !!! >> NOTE!!! I've emailed dynamohumm.com and the reply >>was >> "... it bolts right on, I've got one on my '98 >>VTR..." >> !!! >>3) or fab your own... I know of only one guy to do >>this. It worked but cost him about $750. He used an >> ebay'ed VTR tank and added to it. I asked for >> details but he sold his VTR and disappeared before I >>got a reply for build details/pics. >> >> >> Good luck, >> >> Tom de '98 VTR >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>--- Michael Lynch wrote: >>> >>> >> How >> >> >>>>do you fit the new sheet metal to conform to the >>>>curves and not make the >>>>tank look all disjointed? >>>> >>>> >>>was >>> >>> >>>>thinking of modifying a >>>>stock VTR1000 (famous for passing everything but a >>>>gas station) tank for >>>>increased capacity. >>>>Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 3:28 PM >>>>>To: Michael Lynch; Zombie B.; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>>> >>>> >>>>>Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size >>>>> >>>>> >> I try to >> >> >>>cut >>> >>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>>>tank at the widest part so the extensions come >>>>>straight up with the largest surface area >>>>>Leon. >>>>> >>>>> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 07:14:54 2004 Subject: Speaking of welding From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 17 Mar 2004 07:11:30 -0500 Leon sent me an e-mail yesterday regarding the welder he uses and that he suggested I use (Kevin). Basically, he suggested I should go over and work if I didn't want to ship the parts of my chop to Colorado. So last night after speaking to the realtor[0], I zipped over to Kevin's and had a grand old time. I met three other guys who where there (can't recall their names; after a couple more times I'll have them down). I looked over Leon's chop (hey, BTW Leon, it's not a rolling chassis if you cut off the rear end :-) Anyway, we pulled out the frame, covered in dust and the seat and proceeded to figure out how to mount it. Leon grabbed a hunk of scrap metal and after we figured out where it was supposed to go, bent it to the proper size. I drilled the hole for the front of the seat and cut the sides down to the right angle and length and then Kevin welded it to the frame. It came out pretty well if I do say so myself. Pictures tonight and hopefully the rear mount for the seat and oil tank. Gotta stop by Home Depot tonight for some scrap metal . Thanks again Leon. Learning new things is always exciting and fun. See you tonight. Carl [0] Bidding War! We were presented with four more contracts for a total of eight in 6 days. Three of them have Escalation Clauses. One guy called our realtor as she was getting up from our table and offered another 5k and then after she left, he called her again and upped it 2k more. With no decorator clauses or help with closing costs and he's refusing to do a home inspection/radon/etc, no appliance warranty _and_ he'll pay for, and be responsible for the termite inspection. With all that, we're up about $20k I don't think we properly understood the market right now :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 07:26:00 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:25:19 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size Mike Bartman wrote: >At 03:50 PM 3/16/04 -0500, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > >>This is concept is very interesting to me, as I was thinking of modifying a >>stock VTR1000 (famous for passing everything but a gas station) tank for >>increased capacity. >> >> > >What sort of mileage do these high tech modern super-improved bikes get >anyway? > > Depends on how much fun you wanta have. Commuting I can get ~42mpg - on the weekends I get ~35mpg ( a little harder on the throttle ). You forget Mike, "high tech modern super-improved" doesn't mean 80mpg, but it does mean 100+k miles of sport twin grins, with minor maintenance ( oil, chain, air filer, fork oil - one guy 100ker has yet to change fork oil. All can be DIY). Grins = good handling, comfortable position, nice acceleration, good top end. IIRC - Carl S's posts about Harley service are very scary - they sound like BMW/Mercedes oil change costs... BTW - I don't hate Harleys, but it did take me a long time to understand why they don't use more modern motor/suspension/etc tech. And I'm not saying a Harley != Grins, but I will say I get more Grins for less cash and better reliability than most on a Harley. Don't be such a sportbike hater Mike. Tom 'de 98 VTR > >-- Mike B. > >'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > >Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes >is better. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 07:38:50 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:56:24 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 03:50 PM 3/16/04 -0500, Michael Lynch wrote: > > >This is concept is very interesting to me, as I was thinking of modifying a > >stock VTR1000 (famous for passing everything but a gas station) tank for > >increased capacity. > > What sort of mileage do these high tech modern super-improved bikes get > anyway? I've seen claims of 50mpg from other 'Busa owners when humping along the highway doing close to the speed limit, but I've never seen anything that high. I average 40mpg in mixed riding, going as low as 30 when really hammering it and as high as 45 when attempting to obey the speed limits :-) My bike has a full exhaust, cut up airbox, BMC air filter, PC3R, custom map and 16 tooth front sprocket. It makes 166rwhp/102rwtq. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 07:46:11 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 04:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman, etc To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:40 AM 3/15/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> Service intervals seem to be about the same as with my > >> Jeep...where it's > >> oil every 3000, minor service every 7500, semi-major > >> every 15,000 and a > >> major every 30,000. > > > >for your wallet's sake, i hope you don't reach those > minor, > >semi-major and major intervals. battley's could be a > law > >firm with those hourly rates. > > They aren't much different from what car dealers charge > for service. Jeep > is $75/hour last I looked, and Battley's is $80. Trained > technicians don't > make minimum wage, lawyers have driven up the cost of > liability and health > insurance what is your source for this? seems lawyers are to blame for everything in your jaded mind. the insurance industry would have the public believe that it is the lawyers to blame rather than recent large-scale accidents (hurricanes, etc.), their own shitty investment practices, or greed. > >> >> Bartman has never used personal attacks, vulgar > >> language, or insults to further his cause. > >> > > >> >i recall more than one personal, insulting attack > from > >> mr. bartman. > >> > >> Correction: "counter-attacks". I've never "attacked" > >> anyone here. I have, > >> eventually, and after much provocation, said slightly > >> rude things to you on > >> occasion. That was before I started just deleting > most > >> of what you write > >> without bothering to respond of course. > > > >i think your first post to me was "kill all the lawyers" > or > >some other shitheaded comment. > > You think wrong. I think lawyers are doing a lot to ruin > an otherwise > great country, but I don't pin that on *all* lawyers. As > I've said more > than once, I know some very nice lawyers who are great > people. Then > there's the other sort, such as you portray yourself to > be here. how do any comments that i make on a moto-list portray myself as any particular type of attorney? > >> This is the only moto list I'm on. Don't you feel > >> special? > > > >special? hmm... special like getting struck by > lightning > >or catching a stray bullet? well, yes! how special. > > You know the difference between a lawyer and a tick? A > tick will quit > sucking on you when you die. > > See, that's a counter-attack. Had you pretended to be a > decent human > being, I'd have been polite to you, the way I am with > most people here. > You seem to love vitriol, so that's what you get back. i can handle vitriol. bring it. and, again, i don't practice in the bloodsucking practice areas in which you like to place me, so such comments don't affect me the slightest bit. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 07:47:26 2004 Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 17 Mar 2004 07:44:02 -0500 On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 07:25, Tom wrote: > IIRC - Carl S's posts about Harley service are very scary - they sound > like BMW/Mercedes oil change costs... > That's if you go in and have them do it. The times I've taken the bike in for the expensive charges are for things I can't do myself and then have them do the scheduled service at the same time. The missized spacer for the timing chain and the hole in the fuel system were the two main things. Most things I can do my self and the experience I'm getting working on the GSXR and the chopper is making me much more comfortable in working on the Harley. > Don't be such a sportbike hater Mike. Heh, since we've had two realtors make noises about buying the GSXR, Rita asked if I wanted to put it in the paper for sale. Nope. I like riding it. If someone comes up and offers me the right amount, I'd probably sell it, but I'm not going to expend the time and energy to get it sellable. > > Tom 'de 98 VTR > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 07:48:19 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Rider Down Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 7:48:12 -0500 > > From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" > Date: 2004/03/16 Tue PM 11:15:50 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rider Down > > I like what we saw all over the country in France this past January. Wherever a > fatal accident has occured, the put up a life-sized human silhouette (like a > range target, but 6 feet high) at the side of the road. It's black, with a white > "X" on the chest. If the person who died was young, they add the age in years and > months below the "X". (Picture at http://65.202.253.37/image/marker.jpg) > > They get your attention. When there's a cluster of three or more of them, they > must make just about anyone think, if just for a moment. > > Maybe markers like that on 211 would have an impact. Maybe not. > Probably not. Most of them would be stolen or used for target practice. This *is* the good ole US of A don't cha ya know. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 07:54:33 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:54:27 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Rider Down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Larry pointed out: >I like what we saw all over the country in France this past >January. Wherever a fatal accident has occured, the put up a >life-sized human silhouette (like a range target, but 6 feet high) at the side of the road. It's black, with a white >"X" on the chest. If the person who died was young, they add the age in years and months below the "X". (Picture at http://65.202.253.37/image/marker.jpg ) > >They get your attention. When there's a cluster of three or >more of them, they must make just about anyone think, if >just for a moment. [Dave] No way on God's green earth that would fly here because they look too much like targets. Way too tempting for the duck hunter types ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 09:05:51 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:05:47 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Vitriol, Gimer, etc... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >i can handle vitriol. bring it. > >and, again, i don't practice in the bloodsucking practice >areas in which you like to place me, so such comments don't >affect me the slightest bit. [Dave] Tom's posts usually bring a smile to my face... This thread got me wondering. Can anyone here list the Gimer flame fests in chronological order ? The ones I remember: Gimer vs. Pena Gimer vs. Jordan (and Anker) Gimer vs. Kitchell Gimer vs. Bartman Those are only within the last couple of years. Missing any? Fond DCC memories indeed.... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 09:32:48 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'b.zombie@XXXXXX'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Honda SHadow Tank Size Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:38:22 -0500 Zombie Baited us with: "I have a 92 Honda Shadow VLX (600cc). I was wondering if anyone knows if it is possible to upgrade the gas tank size without modifications to anything else? As is, I get exactly 90 miles per tank before switching to reserve. It's one of the only things that I am unhappy with on my bike." In addition to the good ideas you've received, it wouldn't hurt to bug the aficionados. Alas, there won't be the valuable discussions of ^$%@ POS. Wurd versus the superior WordPerfect or the perfectly adequate WordStar. Or what does a guy look like with a 34 inch seam length but is only 4" 24" tall. :^) But, there will be lots of experience (& some damn good recipes) Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 09:37:24 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Rider Down: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:43:00 -0500 Yeah, we survivors like to pass on our advice to others. I think that is a sign of the general altruism motorcyclists have (We're all in this together -- us against the BDCs.) But, we should avoid jumping to conclusions, especially that it was an avoidable accident. We were not there. It could have been a myriad of unavoidable things such as a bit of crap in the road (A street-colored bit of window blind bit me years ago -- and another argument for not riding, above 70% on public roads), a split second of inattention (bright lights or a well-shaped whatever), an engine burp, or who-know-what.. Morn the loss of your friend as we will morn the loss of our brother on two wheels. But it doesn't hurt to go over that check list of things that improve our odds of surviving the avoidable. Share that list without being judgmental and you'll be a sage. Rubber side down. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 09:50:47 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider Down Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:50:49 -0500 I am 100% against the stupid person silhouette along the road. It's stupid and distracting. Just a sign "High Accident area" or something or increased fines for speeded and reckless driving. Rob On 17 Mar 2004 06:57:13 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote > On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 23:15, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Perhaps they should put up one of the construction type signs. > > > ==== > > > There have been nnn accidents on 211 in the past 6 months. > > > Of them, there have been nn serious injuries resulting in the inability > > > to ride again and n deaths. > > > [ Map of rider-down spots ] > > > > > > Please ride safe. > > > ==== > > > > I like what we saw all over the country in France this past January. Wherever a > > fatal accident has occured, the put up a life-sized human silhouette (like a > > range target, but 6 feet high) at the side of the road. It's black, with a white > > "X" on the chest. If the person who died was young, they add the age in years and > > months below the "X". (Picture at http://65.202.253.37/image/marker.jpg) > > > > They have the same thing out in Montana. Usually at a curve I > noticed. Mostly one or two but there were a couple where there were > 4 or 5, perhaps for a family. > > > They get your attention. When there's a cluster of three or more of them, they > > must make just about anyone think, if just for a moment. > > > > I think a silhouette, especially at the spot might be distracting, > perhaps at the time when distractions would be dangerous. A sign at the > "start" of a run might be more eye catching. > > > Maybe markers like that on 211 would have an impact. Maybe not. > > > > Perhaps not the impact you'd like. > > > -- Larry > > > > Carl -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 10:04:22 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:04:07 EST Subject: Re: Rider Down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX We are talking about youth. NOTHING will convince them that they are not going to live forever. If you ask anyone of them "can you die riding?" they will say yes. But they do not believe it. Not really. As for the Family hearing this discussion.... They are not hearing it, this is between us. I do not think any one of us would be so heartless as to walk up to one of them and say it. NOR do I believe for one moment that they are not thinking it themselves. And the posts pointing out that it was likely the riders fault (I have stated my opinion on single vehicle accidents before) are in reaction to the _original_ post that included statements like "it may have been sand on the road or mechanical failure" but made no allowances for rider error. I truly HATE that this sort of thing happens, but making excuses prevents us from learning from the mistakes of others. I used to say "Motorcycles are really smart, the moment you look down at one and say "I have you mastered" it will look back up at you and say "The hell you do" and throw you on the ground." I stand by that. I have also stated that I have more respect for the last place rider on a track then the fastest rider playing racer on the street. I stand by that also. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 10:13:34 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:13:11 -0500 From: Skip To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider Down I agree that on that road it could be distracting, but I've seen something similar. In great Falls, on Seneca road there is a turn that has claimed a lot of people. the folks that live on that turn have a berm to keep the crashing cars out of their front yard, and they have a small sign with silhouettes of cars, one for every crash. the ones with fatalities have a red line through them. when I rode my bicycle by there about 20 years ago, there were like 30 crashes and about 10 fatalities. can't imagine what they're up to now. --skip "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Perhaps they should put up one of the construction type signs. > > ==== > > There have been nnn accidents on 211 in the past 6 months. > > Of them, there have been nn serious injuries resulting in the inability > > to ride again and n deaths. > > [ Map of rider-down spots ] > > > > Please ride safe. > > ==== > > I like what we saw all over the country in France this past January. Wherever a > fatal accident has occured, the put up a life-sized human silhouette (like a > range target, but 6 feet high) at the side of the road. It's black, with a white > "X" on the chest. If the person who died was young, they add the age in years and > months below the "X". (Picture at http://65.202.253.37/image/marker.jpg) > > They get your attention. When there's a cluster of three or more of them, they > must make just about anyone think, if just for a moment. > > Maybe markers like that on 211 would have an impact. Maybe not. > > -- Larry > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 10:23:55 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:23:37 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Vitriol, Gimer, etc... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX All good flame fests but none of them top some of the ones Sqeekers had going on. Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > Gimer > flame fests in chronological order ? > > The ones I remember: > > Gimer vs. Pena > Gimer vs. Jordan (and Anker) > Gimer vs. Kitchell > Gimer vs. Bartman __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 10:25:37 2004 Subject: Tool sources in greater DC area? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:23:25 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "DC-Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:15 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:6 C:4 M:4 S:4 R:4 (2.0000 2.0000) Although I certainly understand the value proposition offered by manufacturers such as Proto and Snapon, are there good local places to shop for hand/power tools that don't involve taking out a bank loan? I'm looking for the sort of hardware source that carries a better line than Craftsmen, and possibly even a few top-end manufacturers, and has a decent assortment to choose from. My specific need is a torque wrench, the indicator beam one I have is not that good, and my "positive-click" style (not sure what exact term is...) was thefted some months ago, just haven't gotten around to replacing yet. Also interesteed in the small size torque wrenches, 1/4" drive, as I have a lot of socket-head screws that would be nice to torque correctly and not worry about over-cranking with the big wrench. Also looking for some power tools, and prefer places that carry Milwaukee and the upper-end German brands. I'm familiar with several online sources, but there's a higher comfort level to being able to handle the tools prior to purchase... ;-) Thanks for all replies! Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 10:41:33 2004 Subject: rider down - funeral today Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:41:29 -0500 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: I completely agree with a lot of what people have said about the way we ride on the streets - especially regarding 211. I don't think this guy was a bad rider - but bad things do happen to good people. Even under ideal circumstances bad things can happen. At any rate two of my co-workers are headed out to the funeral today for Sean. Sean had recently played some poker at my co-worker's house. They report he was a great guy. Brian 99VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 11:33:14 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:36:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Vitriol, Gimer, etc... To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" My fantasy match: Gimer vs. Squeakers Dave Yates writes: >[Dave] Tom's posts usually bring a smile to my face... This >thread got me wondering. Can anyone here list the Gimer >flame fests in chronological order ? > >The ones I remember: > >Gimer vs. Pena >Gimer vs. Jordan (and Anker) >Gimer vs. Kitchell >Gimer vs. Bartman > >Those are only within the last couple of years. Missing >any? Fond DCC memories indeed.... > > >Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 11:42:57 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Vitriol, Gimer, etc... Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:42:49 -0500 "garcia oliver" wrote: > Dave Yates writes: > >[Dave] Tom's posts usually bring a smile to my face... This > >thread got me wondering. Can anyone here list the Gimer > >flame fests in chronological order ? > > > >The ones I remember: > > > >Gimer vs. Pena > >Gimer vs. Jordan (and Anker) > >Gimer vs. Kitchell > >Gimer vs. Bartman > > > >Those are only within the last couple of years. Missing > >any? Fond DCC memories indeed.... > > My fantasy match: Gimer vs. Squeakers That wouldn't be fair at all. As soon as Tom started sizing her up Squeekers would have her man ripping Tom a new one. Her man can find Tom, there's no point in hiding. I miss the old days... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 11:47:55 2004 Subject: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:52:34 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find bikes for sale with remarkably low mileage. This leads me to a ask a question...anyone care to pontificate about what the average life expectancy (mileage) in terms of a sportbike is? I see bikes for sale all the time with 2k to 6k miles on them. Is there a rough point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly decreases resale value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no longer give you enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a mileage red flag? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 11:55:32 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:59:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Vitriol, Gimer, etc... To: Kirk Roy Cc: From: "garcia oliver" Kirk Roy writes: >"garcia oliver" wrote: >> >> My fantasy match: Gimer vs. Squeakers > >That wouldn't be fair at all. As soon as Tom started sizing her up >Squeekers would have her man ripping Tom a new one. Her man can find Tom, >there's no point in hiding. She didn't seem to need any help. I think he butted in on his own. Anyhow, I miss her. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 12:21:49 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:22:00 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size At 07:56 AM 3/17/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >> What sort of mileage do these high tech modern super-improved bikes get >> anyway? > >I've seen claims of 50mpg from other 'Busa owners when humping along the >highway doing close to the speed limit, but I've never seen anything that >high. I average 40mpg in mixed riding, going as low as 30 when really >hammering it and as high as 45 when attempting to obey the speed limits >:-) Sounds pretty good...why the need for larger tanks than 5 gal then? 40 mpg is 200 miles between fillups with that. Don't know about you, but I'd like a rest stop every 4 hours or so...to get a drink and stretch my legs if nothing else. Or are some of these bikes not getting the mileage that you and I are? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 12:21:52 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:18:02 -0500 To: Tom , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size At 07:25 AM 3/17/04 -0500, Tom wrote: >Mike Bartman wrote: >>What sort of mileage do these high tech modern super-improved bikes get >>anyway? >> >Depends on how much fun you wanta have. Commuting I can get ~42mpg - on >the weekends I get ~35mpg ( a little harder on the throttle ). I suppose that's not too bad. My Heritage is getting about 38 mpg with the sort of riding I'm doing (30-50mph with frequent stops, very little highway). Just wondering why 5 gal wasn't enough. >Grins = good handling, comfortable position, >nice acceleration, good top end. My Harley has great handling as far as what I need, it's extremely comfortable and the top end is well over the max legal limit (not sure what the top end *is*, but it's somewhere north of 80 for sure, and that's plenty). Acceleration? That could be better...and will be eventually. ;-) The stock Harley has better acceleration than I got from my old Honda 700, despite weighing half again as much (me too...almost :^), but it's not going to get close to a race bike. My Jeep won't beat a Corvette either, but that doesn't bother me any...the Corvette couldn't have hauled my table saw home either, and its plywood-hauling capability truly sucks. The Harley is also *far* more comfortable than the Honda was. Other than the BMW I test-sat once, I have yet to find a sport bike that I could ride at all, let alone find comfortable. Smaller folks will have different experience with this, as they are closer to the size the bikes were designed to fit than I am. Just the way it is. They design race bikes to race, and you don't win many races with 300lb rider+gear weights. Small rider means less weight, less drag, and a smaller, lighter bike and therefore more wins, all else being equal. It's not much different for sports cars either BTW. >IIRC - Carl S's posts about Harley service are very scary - they sound >like BMW/Mercedes oil change costs... Battley's charges $80/hour for service. The Jeep dealer charged $75 last time I was there. Both seem to be doing excellent work, so they get business at that rate. If you don't like those rates you can do the work yourself or take it someplace cheaper. If you can find the same level of service for less, go for it. What does it cost at Yamaha, Kawasaki or Honda? I seem to remember it was about $45/hour at Heyser Honda back in the mid 80s...I'm sure they'd be up in the $70-$80 range by now. >Don't be such a sportbike hater Mike. I don't hate sportbikes. I don't find them very attractive personally, can't ride most of them, and *some* of those who ride them are real assholes (same is true of Harleys and other bikes I guess, but it's less noticeable when your bike isn't screaming like a banshee and you aren't whipping down the highway at 120 mph :). I do tend to respond in kind when the Harley-haters come out of the closet though, as they have done here recently. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 12:38:50 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:39:05 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Tool sources in greater DC area? At 10:23 AM 3/17/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: tools that don't involve taking out a bank loan? I'm looking for the sort of hardware source that carries a better line than Craftsmen, and possibly even a few top-end manufacturers, and has a decent assortment to choose from. Snap-On and Mac only sell from the trucks, and maybe the web, so far as I know. Never seen them in any stores. Craftsman has always been good enough for my needs, but I'm not a pro. Not sure what brands might fall between them and the top end guys. >Also looking for some power tools, and prefer places that carry Milwaukee and the upper-end German brands. Sears has them. Got a Milwaukee angle grinder at the Lakeforest store a couple of weeks ago (seems to have a pretty good tool section compared to most). They have Delta, Bosch and some other brands too. The days of "Craftsman only" are gone...they saw the light. ;) >I'm familiar with several online sources, but there's a higher comfort level to being able to handle the tools prior to purchase... ;-) I agree. Fit and finish are hard to pick up from a picture on a screen, and you don't know anything about balance and how it will fit your hand either. You can go by reputation sometimes, but actually touching the tool is the way to go. BTW - there's a woodworking show at the Dulles Expo Center in Chantilly this weekend. Bosch, Makita, Delta, DeWalt, and Porter-Cable are always well represented at these things, with manufacterer folks on hand in many cases. You can find some good deals if you know what you are looking for. Don't expect metal-working tools, but some are good for both wood and metal (drills, compressors, saber saws, reciprocating saws, carbide drill bits, clamps, layout tools, etc.). If you are into woodworking, either leave the checkbook and credit card at home, or bring a vehicle that can carry a fair bit... ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 12:39:18 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Vitriol, Gimer, etc... Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:38:45 -0500 *Coming Soon* Gimer vs. Yates :-D Rob On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:05:47 -0500, Dave Yates wrote > >i can handle vitriol. bring it. > > > >and, again, i don't practice in the bloodsucking practice > >areas in which you like to place me, so such comments don't > >affect me the slightest bit. > > [Dave] Tom's posts usually bring a smile to my face... This > thread got me wondering. Can anyone here list the Gimer > flame fests in chronological order ? > > The ones I remember: > > Gimer vs. Pena > Gimer vs. Jordan (and Anker) > Gimer vs. Kitchell > Gimer vs. Bartman > > Those are only within the last couple of years. Missing > any? Fond DCC memories indeed.... > > Dave Yates -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 12:45:41 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Julian Halton" , Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:45:42 -0500 It usually goes by CC size of the engine. 750cc and up bikes are supposed to be riden 5.3k/years 450-749 cc are supposed to be riden 3.7k/year. Thats how KBB averages the miles / model year calculation. http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/ke.kb.sp?kbb.MD;;MD031&20850&85&zmcmiles Also I think a lot of it comes down to people buy the bike and don't ride it and just sell it. Rob On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:52:34 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find bikes for sale > with remarkably low mileage. This leads me to a ask a > question...anyone care to pontificate about what the average life > expectancy (mileage) in terms of a sportbike is? I see bikes for > sale all the time with 2k to 6k miles on them. Is there a rough > point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly decreases resale > value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no longer give > you enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a mileage red flag? -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 12:51:12 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:49:55 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general At 11:52 AM 3/17/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >I see bikes for sale all the time with 2k to 6k miles on them. I I don't think that's as much an indication of bike life as it is rider expectancy. A lot of people buy bikes with a particular image in their mind about what riding is like. They see others doing it, they watch the TV commercials...then they find that it was a fantasy and that things are very different in reality. You can get wet and cold, you can't really get good tunes, you can't easily hold a conversation with your buddies, if you pick up a pizza it will be cold by the time you get it home, and you have to put on a lot of special clothes to ride, and what do you do with them when you get where you are going anyway? Perhaps they find that the bike doesn't fit them as well as they thought it would from a short test ride, or sitting on it in a showroom, and they just can't stand it anymore. Or maybe they have a near-death experience with a BDC and get scared. That's when the fairly new bike goes on the market. Then someone who does know what riding is like buys it because you can feel the world, you can listen to what's going on around you, you can get a break from dealing with your buddies, you can't haul a lot of shit with you everywhere you go, you can use some good gear rather than a ton of metal to protect you, and they know how the bike will fit them because it's a lot like the last one they owned and rode into the ground. They've learned to avoid most BDC events, and accept the rest as a necessary risk in having a life rather than an existence. That's the way it looks from here at this time anyway. YMMV. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 12:56:34 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:55:53 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size Mike Bartman wrote: >At 07:25 AM 3/17/04 -0500, Tom wrote: > > >>Mike Bartman wrote: >> >> > > > >> > >I suppose that's not too bad. My Heritage is getting about 38 mpg with the >sort of riding I'm doing (30-50mph with frequent stops, very little highway). > >Just wondering why 5 gal wasn't enough. > > US spec VTR's have 4.2 gal tanks - no reserve. So the extra gal helps a lot. > > >>Grins = good handling, comfortable position, >>nice acceleration, good top end. >> >> > >It's not much different for sports cars either BTW. > > The few sports cars my dad owned ( i can't afford any ), were a lot more comfortable than any SUV I've been in. > >Battley's charges $80/hour for service. The Jeep dealer charged $75 last >time I was there. Both seem to be doing excellent work, so they get >business at that rate. If you don't like those rates you can do the work >yourself or take it someplace cheaper. If you can find the same level of >service for less, go for it. What does it cost at Yamaha, Kawasaki or >Honda? I seem to remember it was about $45/hour at Heyser Honda back in >the mid 80s...I'm sure they'd be up in the $70-$80 range by now. > > > You missed two points I was trying to make ( I don't write well either ...), it seems Harley owners don't do as much "shade tree" work as they used to. I've heard of HD dealers actually discouraging such work. And the "modern" sportbike doesn't need more than DIY'ers maintenance to keep the bike goin' for 50k-100k. >>Don't be such a sportbike hater Mike. >> >> > >I don't hate sportbikes. I don't find them very attractive personally, >can't ride most of them, and *some* of those who ride them are real >assholes (same is true of Harleys and other bikes I guess, but it's less >noticeable when your bike isn't screaming like a banshee and you aren't >whipping down the highway at 120 mph :). > Yeah, more of them with un-baffled pipes, and more 'tude than needed. Maybe they're unhappy with 85mph :). BTW, I'm not defending "squids", just a person's bike doesn't make you superior to someone else. > I do tend to respond in kind when >the Harley-haters come out of the closet though, as they have done here >recently. > > Try to see their side of it. I was once a big HD hater, but it took age/time to "see" what an HD is. You have to admit at first glance, why would someone pay lots for old tech, of which doesn't produce good numbers on paper? I'd bet you'd like Moto-Guzzi's ... ( NOTE to Mike B. haters - I'm not saying Moto-Guzzis are bad bikes, but I can see him on one ) > >-- Mike B. > > >'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Tom de '98 VTR - 996 V-twin sportbike ( a duc knock-off ) for the HD folks.... >Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes >is better. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 12:58:57 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'bmckeithen@XXXXXX'" Subject: H-D, Bartman summary Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:04:36 -0500 Bob McKeithen, A.K.A. The Geezer Goose-Guide Guessed: "Lets see if I've got this right:" 1.The SV 650 is the best motorcycle ever made. [Carl]: No, it's my 85 VF 700 Sabre but I've heard the SV is a distant second. 2.It is OK to call people names and threaten bodily harm as long as you use quotes from classical literature to do so. [Carl]: Yup, or even use folk sayings, "Sticks and stones will break your bones -- if -- I evah catch yer bony ass in a dark alley." =8^O Or as Tom G might say, "Sticks and stones may break your bones but words can be an excellent basis for filing assault charges or at least a restraining order." 3. tgimerowesmefivehundreddollars [Carl]: Sooo, where should we meet you for dinner? 8^q 4. Harley Davidson (any model) is the worst motorcycle ever made . [Carl]: Definitely . . . and . . . the source of much base and vulgar entertainment amongst we superior beings who made better, wiser, and more erudite choices. * 5. Push rods are bad [Carl]: Oh heavens no. They were a wonderful intermediate innovation until overhead cams became standard on (ahem) "modern engines". And, cams are merely an intermediate innovation between having leprechauns** open and close valves until the forthcoming computer-controlled valve actuators become standard. 6. Some people on the list are more verbose than others. [Carl]: Yes sir-ee. Just as some are more prolix, periphrastic, long-winded and wordy than the more reserved, closed-mouth, taciturn, reticent, and just-plain-shy. While others simply enjoy bombast and the symphony of multisyllable, Brobdingnagian, sesquipedalian modifiers. Alas, too many don't snip dammit. Oh God, it will be so good when spring arrives. [Carl]: Sigh, perhaps too many are looking at the calendar and not outside. Another great week end coming up. You slackers charge those batteries, change your over-winter oil, clean your connectors, burn the Stabil and do a carb cleaning with a slug of Techron, Berryman B-12, or Yamaha SeaFoam. Carl in Bethesda * For the humor-impaired . . . Aww, nevermind "You Wouldn't Understand" ** Happy St. Patty's Day This just in: President Bush and Republican Party responsible for motorcyclist's death: " . . . One ruling came from the U.S. attorney in Minnesota, who decided that Janklow was on official duty as a congressman at the time of the accident. That means federal taxpayers, not Janklow himself, would pay any civil damages awarded from a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of Randy Scott of Hardwick, Minn. . . . Janklow spoke earlier that day in Aberdeen and was returning to his home near Brandon when the accident happened. . . " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 13:01:12 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Rob Sharp'" , Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in g eneral Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:03:55 -0500 The life expectancy of a Japanese bike, mostly ridden on 2 wheels, and serviced at the suggested intervals should be somewhere like 75K-100K miles. By that point, you would expect that something somewhere inside the engine that requires pulling apart of big components to be worn. Regardless of how kbb values the bike, it should hold true across all size engines. Remember, in America, bikes are largely a toy that gets ridden on a weekend or when the feeling is just right. In every other country in the world, these same exact bikes are primary forms of transportation. Something that crapped out at 30K miles would be laughed off the market. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Sharp [SMTP:rob@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:46 PM > To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike > in general > > It usually goes by CC size of the engine. > > 750cc and up bikes are supposed to be riden 5.3k/years > 450-749 cc are supposed to be riden 3.7k/year. > > Thats how KBB averages the miles / model year calculation. > > http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/ke.kb.sp?kbb.MD;;MD031&20850&85&zmcmiles > > Also I think a lot of it comes down to people buy the bike and don't ride > it > and just sell it. > > Rob > > > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:52:34 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > > Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find bikes for sale > > with remarkably low mileage. This leads me to a ask a > > question...anyone care to pontificate about what the average life > > expectancy (mileage) in terms of a sportbike is? I see bikes for > > sale all the time with 2k to 6k miles on them. Is there a rough > > point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly decreases resale > > value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no longer give > > you enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a mileage red flag? > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 13:03:10 2004 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:03:25 -0500 To: Julian Halton More miles might be better. It suggests non-squid ownership. The bikes themselves should run a very long time, when taken care of. Dare I say it, as long as a Harley. On Mar 17, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Julian Halton wrote: > > Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find bikes for sale with > remarkably low mileage. This leads me to a ask a question...anyone > care > to pontificate about what the average life expectancy (mileage) in > terms > of a sportbike is? > I see bikes for sale all the time with 2k to 6k miles on them. Is there > a rough point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly decreases resale > value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no longer give you > enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a mileage red flag? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 13:05:34 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:05:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Rob Sharp , Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general Lot of low-mileage sportbikes around? Can you say Garage Queens? And, the dearth of higher-mileage bikes? When you look at the whole fleet, how many of them get wadded before they get to a chance to be higher-mileage sportbikes? I suspect, in certain quarters, that attrition takes a heavy toll. As Rob points out the value ratings (Kelly, NADA) are based on a "normal" mileage calculations. I don't put too much stock in mileage when looking at bikes. It is one small factor in the overall condition of a bike. I'll gladly buy an immaculate 30,000-miler that's been well cared for, over a 10,000-mile bike that some idiot rode WFO, an idiot who didn't change the oil, stripped a bunch of fasteners and never cracked open the owner's manual, much less a factory service manual. The couple of times I've bought bikes, I spend as much time sizing up the owner as I do the machine. YMMV.... Paul in DC, 95 VFR -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp It usually goes by CC size of the engine. 750cc and up bikes are supposed to be riden 5.3k/years 450-749 cc are supposed to be riden 3.7k/year. Thats how KBB averages the miles / model year calculation. http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/ke.kb.sp?kbb.MD;;MD031&20850&85&zmcmiles Also I think a lot of it comes down to people buy the bike and don't ride it and just sell it. Rob On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:52:34 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find bikes for sale > with remarkably low mileage. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 13:12:01 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Stephen Miller'" , "'Julian Halton'" Cc: Subject: RE: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:11:32 -0500 Nah, nothing to do swith squid. Some of us just don't like riding unless its warm and dry. You just can't put that many miles on a bike when you only drive in those conditions in MD IMHO. My 2 year old bike has 5500 miles on it. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Miller [mailto:freecat@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:03 PM To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general More miles might be better. It suggests non-squid ownership. The bikes themselves should run a very long time, when taken care of. Dare I say it, as long as a Harley. On Mar 17, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Julian Halton wrote: > > Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find bikes for sale with > remarkably low mileage. This leads me to a ask a question...anyone > care to pontificate about what the average life expectancy (mileage) > in terms > of a sportbike is? > I see bikes for sale all the time with 2k to 6k miles on them. Is there > a rough point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly decreases resale > value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no longer give you > enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a mileage red flag? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 13:15:32 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:15:29 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Vitriol, Gimer, etc... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rob speculates: >*Coming Soon* > >Gimer vs. Yates >:-D [Dave] Nah. I have no quibble with Gimer. I was merely bringing up some of his more humorous exchanges on the list. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 13:28:22 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Stephen Miller , Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:28:23 -0500 Most Harley's are air cooled engines (VROD isn't) and as such I was under the impression that a water cooler engine/block (like most metric bike) last longer because the block isn't subjected to the tempature varients that an air cooled engine is. Of course air cooled mean less complexity on the machine and as my dear old dad says "Less stuff to break" Rob On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:03:25 -0500, Stephen Miller wrote > More miles might be better. It suggests non-squid ownership. The > bikes themselves should run a very long time, when taken care of. > Dare I say it, as long as a Harley. > > On Mar 17, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find bikes for sale with > > remarkably low mileage. This leads me to a ask a question...anyone > > care > > to pontificate about what the average life expectancy (mileage) in > > terms > > of a sportbike is? > > I see bikes for sale all the time with 2k to 6k miles on them. Is there > > a rough point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly decreases resale > > value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no longer give you > > enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a mileage red flag? > > -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 13:38:48 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Paul Wilson , Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:38:48 -0500 My comment on the milage calculations that KBB uses was because I would hope KBB would have some sort of statitics/hard data on how much the average bike is riden a year. It kinda of makes sense because most touring oriented bikes (cruiser or sport) are usually about 1000CC+. So if you find a litre bike thats 4 years old and has 2k miles on it; it would seem to me more than likely it has not been cared for as well because it was barely even riden, so I would assume the owner had little interest in riding or caring for it. If the owner has records well it's a different story. Rob On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:05:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Paul Wilson wrote > Lot of low-mileage sportbikes around? Can you say Garage Queens? > And, the dearth of higher-mileage bikes? When you look at the whole > fleet, how many of them get wadded before they get to a chance to be > higher-mileage sportbikes? I suspect, in certain quarters, that > attrition takes a heavy toll. > > As Rob points out the value ratings (Kelly, NADA) are based on a > "normal" mileage calculations. > > I don't put too much stock in mileage when looking at bikes. It is > one small factor in the overall condition of a bike. I'll gladly > buy an immaculate 30,000-miler that's been well cared for, over a 10, > 000-mile bike that some idiot rode WFO, an idiot who didn't change > the oil, stripped a bunch of fasteners and never cracked open the > owner's manual, much less a factory service manual. The couple of > times I've bought bikes, I spend as much time sizing up the owner as > I do the machine. > > YMMV.... > > Paul in DC, 95 VFR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Sharp > > It usually goes by CC size of the engine. > > 750cc and up bikes are supposed to be riden 5.3k/years > 450-749 cc are supposed to be riden 3.7k/year. > > Thats how KBB averages the miles / model year calculation. > > http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/ke.kb.sp?kbb.MD;;MD031&20850&85&zmcmiles > > Also I think a lot of it comes down to people buy the bike and don't > ride it and just sell it. > > Rob > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:52:34 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > > Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find bikes for sale > > with remarkably low mileage. ... -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 13:41:32 2004 Subject: RE: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 17 Mar 2004 13:38:08 -0500 On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 13:11, Jim McGonigle wrote: > Nah, nothing to do swith squid. Some of us just don't like riding unless > its warm and dry. You just can't put that many miles on a bike when you > only drive in those conditions in MD IMHO. My 2 year old bike has 5500 > miles on it. > But I am warm and dry, mostly. And I can put up with a touch of discomfort over riding in an overcrowded, virus infected, snoring/cell phoning/computing/movie watching/music listening commuter train. My 18 month old old Harley is at about 29k miles and I estimate the GSXR to be at 20k. > -Jim > Carl [Trimming quotes and recipients for your reading pleasure ;-] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 14:15:06 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:14:58 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > I do tend to respond in kind when the Harley-haters come out > of the closet though, as they have done here recently. Mike, I don't think there's any closet involved, but since you do, I'll contribute my opinion: I don't know about "hate" -- despise might be a better word -- but I feel deeply ashamed that my country, the most technologically-advanced society the world has ever seen, overwhelmingly produces both cars and bikes that are grossly overweight and technologically retarded. I wouldn't accept a Ford, Chevy (including Corvette), Chrysler, or H-D (including Buell) as a gift, let alone buy one. It's nothing personal, and shouldn't reflect on you as an H-D owner in any way -- we each buy according to our own values and needs. Now if Harley would steal Dan Gurney away fropm Ford and build the Alligator... -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 14:22:36 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:40:05 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Sounds pretty good...why the need for larger tanks than 5 gal then? 40 mpg > is 200 miles between fillups with that. Don't know about you, but I'd like > a rest stop every 4 hours or so...to get a drink and stretch my legs if > nothing else. > > Or are some of these bikes not getting the mileage that you and I are? It's all those little bikes with no tq and higher gearing :-) My 'Busa is a big, comfy couch with a bladder punishing range. Seriously though, even dropping a tooth on the front sprocket, my bike is still loafing along in 6th gear compared to many Japanese sportbikes. I think that is one of the major contributors to it's excellent fuel economy. From the factory, first gear is good for 90mph, so it's definately geared for top end :-) It has so much low end tq that unless you're under 1500 rpm and want to really leave someone, there is never a need to downshift. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 14:24:34 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman summary To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'bmckeithen@XXXXXX'" --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > [Carl]: Yes sir-ee. Just as some are more prolix, periphrastic.... I don't think people can be described as "periphrastic" -- "given to periphrasis", perhaps. Nice word, though. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 14:52:43 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:10:15 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't know about "hate" -- despise might be a better > word -- but I feel deeply ashamed that my country, the > most technologically-advanced society the world has > ever seen, overwhelmingly produces both cars and bikes > that are grossly overweight and technologically > retarded. I wouldn't accept a Ford, Chevy (including > Corvette), Chrysler, or H-D (including Buell) as a gift, > let alone buy one. Ouch. Being a Corvette owner, I will say this... at 3115lbs and a stock HP rating of 405 (mine has over 600, dyno tested :-)), the list of cars produced today that can keep up on a road course can be counted on 1 hand :-) That list will no doubt get shorter with the introduction of the C6. That includes all those lightweight, high tech cars out there (including your Miata) ;-) For a road car, weight improves ride (to a certain degree), NVH and allows the manufacturer to add all the little creature comforts that people like. Obviously a race car is completely different, but AFAIK, only 2-3 major manufacturers sell street legal racers and only 1 comes to mind that actually sells a turnkey non-street legal race car (Dodge Viper Competition Coupe). Ferrari used to produce the Challenge cars, but I thought those were replaced by the Challenge Stradale, which is a street legal car. And I'm not sure what high tech is to you for the engine...SOHC? DOHC? Variable valve timing? The variable intake manifold from BMW? Displacement on demand from GM? DOHC are nothing new and definately have their place, but valve actuation does not make or break an engine :-) > It's nothing personal, and shouldn't reflect on you as an > H-D owner in any way -- we each buy according to our own > values and needs. I think that people read too much into a choice of transportation, be it SUV, motorcycle, car or whatever :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 15:26:33 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:25:48 -0500 To: Tom , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size At 12:55 PM 3/17/04 -0500, Tom wrote: >Mike Bartman wrote: >>At 07:25 AM 3/17/04 -0500, Tom wrote: >>>Mike Bartman wrote: >>I suppose that's not too bad. My Heritage is getting about 38 mpg with the >>sort of riding I'm doing (30-50mph with frequent stops, very little highway). >> >>Just wondering why 5 gal wasn't enough. >> >> >US spec VTR's have 4.2 gal tanks - no reserve. So the extra gal helps >a lot. Ok, but 160 miles between fillups still isn't *too* bad. Better than a Sportster. :-) >>It's not much different for sports cars either BTW. >> >The few sports cars my dad owned ( i can't afford any ), were a lot more >comfortable than any SUV I've been in. We never owned any sports cars while I was growing up. My dad tried to drive an E6 Hag once...but he couldn't press just one pedal at a time...they were too close together for size 12 EEE feet. I had a roommate with an Austin Healy Sprite...I could fit, but it was a lot like cramming into a go-kart...and my entire head was above the windsheild. My brother got a 280-Z, and eventually sold it to my Dad. I drove it once...very heavy on the front end, but I did fit in it. I think it was an '83, but I'm not certain. Like with the Harley I've always been more into utility than sportiness, so I've gone with hatchbacks, SUVs and the like when pure price wasn't the deciding factor. I did have a '73 Capri once that was a little bit sporty (V6 and 4-speed floor shift) and the source of my one and only speeding ticket. :-) Before I got that I test-drove an early 70s Barracuda once...but that was a muscle car, not a sports car (had better acceleration from a standing start in 3rd than my VW bug had in first!). Kinda wish I'd bought it now...they are worth some money these days! :-) >You missed two points I was trying to make ( I don't write well either >...), it seems Harley owners don't do as much "shade tree" work as they >used to. I've heard of HD dealers actually discouraging such work. Battley's doesn't seem to be one of them. They actually ran a free class for the local HOGs to tell how to do some service yourself...the 2500 mile maintenance for instance. Even gave out copies of the checklist they use. Had a couple of mechanics and a service manager who stayed late to present it, and were happy to answer questions from all and sundry about any aspect of maintaining a Harley. They did suggest that if you got in over your head to bail out early rather than later, as they really didn't want to have to remove a broken off Easy-Out from an engine again... ;-) >And the "modern" sportbike doesn't need more than DIY'ers maintenance to >keep the bike goin' for 50k-100k. What is it about a Harley's maintenance that can't be done by a DIY'er with some basic tools and a little time? According to the manual, it's mostly fluid changes, inspections and adjustments. The only part replacements in the schedule seem to be spark plugs and oil filters. Harleys regularly exceed 100K miles from what I've heard. I'll find out eventually I guess...or I won't care. :-) > >>>Don't be such a sportbike hater Mike. >>> >>> >> >>I don't hate sportbikes. I don't find them very attractive personally, >>can't ride most of them, and *some* of those who ride them are real >>assholes (same is true of Harleys and other bikes I guess, but it's less >>noticeable when your bike isn't screaming like a banshee and you aren't >>whipping down the highway at 120 mph :). >> >Yeah, more of them with un-baffled pipes, and more 'tude than needed. >Maybe they're unhappy with 85mph :). BTW, I'm not defending "squids", >just a person's bike doesn't make you superior to someone else. > >> I do tend to respond in kind when >>the Harley-haters come out of the closet though, as they have done here >>recently. >> >> >Try to see their side of it. I was once a big HD hater, but it took >age/time to "see" what an HD is. You have to admit at first glance, why >would someone pay lots for old tech, of which doesn't produce good >numbers on paper? >I'd bet you'd like Moto-Guzzi's ... ( NOTE to Mike B. haters - I'm not >saying Moto-Guzzis are bad bikes, but I can see him on one ) > >> >>-- Mike B. >> >> >>'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) >> >> >Tom de '98 VTR - 996 V-twin sportbike ( a duc knock-off ) for the HD >folks.... > >>Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes >>is better. >> >> >> > -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 15:28:13 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: rider down - funeral today Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:47:42 -0500 Was a very nice funeral. >From: "ROBERSON, Brian" >To: >Subject: rider down - funeral today >Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:41:29 -0500 > >I completely agree with a lot of what people have said about the way we >ride on the streets - especially regarding 211. I don't think this guy >was a bad rider - but bad things do happen to good people. Even under >ideal circumstances bad things can happen. >At any rate two of my co-workers are headed out to the funeral today for >Sean. Sean had recently played some poker at my co-worker's house. >They report he was a great guy. _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms )B– all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 15:34:21 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:34:38 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman summary At 01:04 PM 3/17/04 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >Bob McKeithen, A.K.A. The Geezer Goose-Guide Guessed: >5. Push rods are bad >[Carl]: Oh heavens no. They were a wonderful intermediate innovation until >overhead cams became standard on (ahem) "modern engines". And, cams are >merely an intermediate innovation between having leprechauns** open and >close valves until the forthcoming computer-controlled valve actuators >become standard. Valves? Valves?!? We don't neeed no steeeenkeeeng valves!! Get yourself a *real* modern engine! A JP-6! (Isn't that what's in Leno's bike?) So, when *does* the Wankel-powered bike hit the streets again? >6. Some people on the list are more verbose than others. >[Carl]: Yes sir-ee. Just as some are more prolix, periphrastic, long-winded >and wordy than the more reserved, closed-mouth, taciturn, reticent, and >just-plain-shy. While others simply enjoy bombast and the symphony of >multisyllable, Brobdingnagian, sesquipedalian modifiers. Alas, too >many don't snip dammit. At least I didn't even make the top ten for quoting. Maybe this post will help... :) >Oh God, it will be so good when spring arrives. >[Carl]: Sigh, perhaps too many are looking at the calendar and not outside. What's with the need for spring anyway? Just go ride! All spring means is that it takes less time to get dressed for it. >Another great week end coming up. >You slackers charge those batteries, change your over-winter oil, clean your >connectors, burn the Stabil and do a carb >cleaning with a slug of Techron, Berryman B-12, or Yamaha SeaFoam. Carbs? CARBS?!? We don't neeeed no steeeenkeeeeng CARBS!! Modern bikes all have EFI, like mine! :^) >* For the humor-impaired . . . Aww, nevermind "You Wouldn't Understand" Ain't that the truth! >** Happy St. Patty's Day I've got a green bike, is that good enough? No? Well, I'm not Irish, so fuck me. (but only if you're female and cute! :) >One ruling came from the U.S. attorney in Minnesota, who decided that >Janklow was on official duty as a congressman at the time of the accident. >That means federal taxpayers, not Janklow himself, would pay any civil >damages awarded from a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of Randy >Scott of Hardwick, Minn. > . . . >Janklow spoke earlier that day in Aberdeen and was returning to his home >near Brandon when the accident happened. . . " Sounds more like he had finished his official duties and was "off the clock" at the time of the accident... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 15:43:55 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:40:23 -0500 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size At 11:14 AM 3/17/04 -0800, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >I don't know about "hate" -- despise might be a better >word -- but I feel deeply ashamed that my country, the >most technologically-advanced society the world has >ever seen, overwhelmingly produces both cars and bikes >that are grossly overweight and technologically >retarded. We produced the PeeCee and WinDoze too. Talk about "technologically retarded"!! What are you basing this "most technologically-advanced" claim on anyway? ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 15:43:59 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:44:11 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size At 02:40 PM 3/17/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Sounds pretty good...why the need for larger tanks than 5 gal then? 40 mpg >> is 200 miles between fillups with that. Don't know about you, but I'd like >> a rest stop every 4 hours or so...to get a drink and stretch my legs if >> nothing else. >> >> Or are some of these bikes not getting the mileage that you and I are? > >It's all those little bikes with no tq and higher gearing :-) My 'Busa >is a big, comfy couch with a bladder punishing range. Hmmm...maybe I should "test fit" one someday. Sounds nice. :-) Or maybe I should save up for that new Ford Shelby Cobra? Talk about a sweet sound and power (V10)! Almost like a bike in that there's no roof and very few "creature comforts". Wonder if I'd fit? :) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 15:52:37 2004 Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:52:28 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" , "Wayne Edelen" , I was told by the sales person at Bob's BMW that I should steer clear of the 1150GS Adventure model, as I was "only" six feet tall. One of the popular mods seems to be a lower seat, so the comment was probably deserved. Might be an option for taller riders, and seems to have decent ergonomics, i.e., an upright riding position. Also meant to chime in on the tank thread (on-topic, whoo-hoo!) that the enduro models seem to have a tank that stretches low and forward, and scalloped for the steering stem. I would suspect that a stock tank could be modified to match by cutting two "wings" out of the side panels, broadening the tank, and then patching the gaps with flat sheet stock. Watched part of a hot-rod Harley show on Discovery channel (OCC? Dunno...) and they built up a custom tank using only sheet material, no bends, I think it was one of the retro coffin tanks. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 3:44 PM To: Wayne Edelen; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Honda SHadow Tank Size At 02:40 PM 3/17/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Sounds pretty good...why the need for larger tanks than 5 gal then? 40 mpg >> is 200 miles between fillups with that. Don't know about you, but I'd like >> a rest stop every 4 hours or so...to get a drink and stretch my legs if >> nothing else. >> >> Or are some of these bikes not getting the mileage that you and I are? > >It's all those little bikes with no tq and higher gearing :-) My 'Busa >is a big, comfy couch with a bladder punishing range. Hmmm...maybe I should "test fit" one someday. Sounds nice. :-) Or maybe I should save up for that new Ford Shelby Cobra? Talk about a sweet sound and power (V10)! Almost like a bike in that there's no roof and very few "creature comforts". Wonder if I'd fit? :) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 16:14:46 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'ROBERSON, Brian'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:14:20 -0500 I just read on the dc cycles.com web site that DOT is putting down a gravel like surface to keep bikes off. "just went by 211, and they are starting to put down crushed gravel on the east side of the mountain. I spoke with the construction foreman, he told me they are doing the 211 twisty section because of all the accident.. There is also 2 signs cautioning people about the gravel before you get on that straight away before the road becomes 3 lanes going up. Its the type of crushed gravel that is very small, and it definately will put a stop to motorcycles. Definatly would not want to lean on that stuff." That's is what I read thought I'd pass it on. -----Original Message----- From: ROBERSON, Brian [mailto:broberso@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:41 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: rider down - funeral today I completely agree with a lot of what people have said about the way we ride on the streets - especially regarding 211. I don't think this guy was a bad rider - but bad things do happen to good people. Even under ideal circumstances bad things can happen. At any rate two of my co-workers are headed out to the funeral today for Sean. Sean had recently played some poker at my co-worker's house. They report he was a great guy. Brian 99VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 16:25:00 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: H-D, Bartman summary Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:30:40 -0500 Bartman muttered, "Valves? Valves?!? We don't neeed no steeeenkeeeng valves!! Get yourself a *real* modern engine! A JP-6! (Isn't that what's in Leno's bike?) So, when *does* the Wankel-powered bike hit the streets again? [Carl]: When I scribbled that "I just knew" someone was going to mention turbines. Well, turbines still ain't got that torque thingie worked out. Turbines rule the air and sea. But pistons still rule the land . . . and . . . thumpers still rule the dirt. Maybe the Wankel will work this time. [GGGG] Oh God, it will be so good when spring arrives. [Carl]: Sigh, perhaps too many are looking at the calendar and not outside. [MB]: What's with the need for spring anyway? Just go ride! All spring means is that it takes less time to get dressed for it. [Carl] There you go. Ergo, more riding and less grousing. Sheese, I found clay and grime from the Saturday ride with the Routemeister in surprising places. Even after washing the Sabre Thank Soichiro San for good engine and drive train seals. >burn the Stabil and do a carb >cleaning with a slug of Techron, Berryman B-12, or Yamaha SeaFoam. [MB]: Carbs? CARBS?!? We don't neeeed no steeeenkeeeeng CARBS!! Modern bikes all have EFI, like mine! :^) [Carl] O.K. "do a injector-cleaning with a slug of Techron or Berryman B-12. Those of us with more venerable vehicles will do an Irish carb cleaning for St. Paddy's Day. >** Happy St. Patty's Day I've got a green bike, is that good enough? [Carl]: I usually tell 'em I'm wearing last week's skivvies. That usually stops further inquiry regarding my Irishness. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 16:27:36 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:27:17 -0500 Subject: Re: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 Cc: "'ROBERSON, Brian'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" From: Randy Moran A lot of car drivers on 211 participate in the same kind of shenanigans as the bikes. The gravel they're talking about will send a car spinning across a couple lanes of oncoming traffic just as easily as it will a bike with similar, perhaps even more catastrophic, results. If this is true, it has to rank as one of the more shockingly stupid "traffic calming" schemes I've heard of. RPM On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 04:14 PM, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > I just read on the dc cycles.com web site that DOT is putting down a > gravel > like surface to keep bikes off. > "just went by 211, and they are starting to put down crushed gravel on > the > east side of the mountain. I spoke with the construction foreman, he > told me > they are doing the 211 twisty section because of all the accident.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:11:21 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:02:33 -0500 Merging the board/list further, also rumor of rumble strips in the corners. >From: Randy Moran >To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" >CC: "'ROBERSON, Brian'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 >16:27:17 -0500 > >A lot of car drivers on 211 participate in the same kind of shenanigans as >the bikes. The gravel they're talking about will send a car spinning across >a couple lanes of oncoming traffic just as easily as it will a bike with >similar, perhaps even more catastrophic, results. If this is true, it has >to rank as one of the more shockingly stupid "traffic calming" schemes I've >heard of. > >RPM > > >On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 04:14 PM, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) >wrote: > >>I just read on the dc cycles.com web site that DOT is putting down a >>gravel >>like surface to keep bikes off. >>"just went by 211, and they are starting to put down crushed gravel on the >>east side of the mountain. I spoke with the construction foreman, he told >>me >>they are doing the 211 twisty section because of all the accident.. > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:18:08 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:17:50 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > Ouch. Being a Corvette owner, I will say this... at 3115lbs and a stock > HP rating of 405 (mine has over 600, dyno tested :-)), the list of cars > produced today that can keep up on a road course can be counted on 1 hand > :-) That list will no doubt get shorter with the introduction of the C6. > > That includes all those lightweight, high tech cars out there (including > your Miata) ;-) Of course that list gets longer as the course gets tighter. There are certainly autocross course where that little Miata can smoke your 'vette. 8;) Well, Wayne, you know I'm weight-centric on vehicles. However, I have blown up one Corvette engine at Summit Point -- the flag people told me the entire bottom of the car was on fire all the way through turns 1 and 2, though I never did get a colorful picture. 8;) I think the Corvette (and yours would be a much more extreme case) is kinda like the GSX-R 1000 and the like, in that it's hard to enjoy those bad boys on the street, with their extremely high performance capability. I can get a lot more jollies with fewer tickets cornering the little Miata than I ever could in a 'vette. If I drove a really high-performance car on the street, I'd have lost my license forever decades ago. > Obviously a race car is completely different, but AFAIK, only 2-3 major > manufacturers sell street legal racers and only 1 comes to mind that > actually sells a turnkey non-street legal race car (Dodge Viper > Competition Coupe). Ferrari used to produce the Challenge cars, but I > thought those were replaced by the Challenge Stradale, which is a street > legal car. Porsche has in the past -- not sure if they still do. > And I'm not sure what high tech is to you for the engine...SOHC? DOHC? > Variable valve timing? The variable intake manifold from BMW? > Displacement on demand from GM? For me, it's not so much high-tech; as you say, many design elements which we think of as components of a "modern" engine are really quite old. But I'd like OHC, EFI, lighter weight engines, certainly disk brakes with braided lines and ABS, electronic ignition, and digital instrumentation where appropriate, etc. as a minimum on any vehicle. Dry sumps and slipper clutches in bikes are nice too. > I think that people read too much into a choice of transportation, be it > SUV, motorcycle, car or whatever :-) Agreed, but it's always fun to razz each other about our preferences. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:20:02 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:19:55 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Honda SHadow Tank Size To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > What are you basing this "most technologically-advanced" claim on anyway? ;-) Oh, I dunno - rumor and innuendo? -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:28:39 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:28:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 >On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 04:14 PM, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > >I just read on the dc cycles.com web site that DOT is putting down a gravel >like surface to keep bikes off. I assume you meant http://www.dcsportbikes.net/ _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:29:27 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:29:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 >On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 04:14 PM, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > >I just read on the dc cycles.com web site that DOT is putting down a gravel >like surface to keep bikes off. I assume you meant http://www.dcsportbikes.net/ or http://www.dcsportbikes.com _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:39:13 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX well, now.... doesn't that suck balls. --- rich hall wrote: > Merging the board/list further, also rumor of rumble > strips in the corners. > > >From: Randy Moran > >To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" > >CC: "'ROBERSON, Brian'" , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 Date: > Wed, 17 Mar 2004 > >16:27:17 -0500 > > > >A lot of car drivers on 211 participate in the same kind > of shenanigans as > >the bikes. The gravel they're talking about will send a > car spinning across > >a couple lanes of oncoming traffic just as easily as it > will a bike with > >similar, perhaps even more catastrophic, results. If > this is true, it has > >to rank as one of the more shockingly stupid "traffic > calming" schemes I've > >heard of. > > > >RPM > > > > > >On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 04:14 PM, Silver, > Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) > >wrote: > > > >>I just read on the dc cycles.com web site that DOT is > putting down a > >>gravel > >>like surface to keep bikes off. > >>"just went by 211, and they are starting to put down > crushed gravel on the > >>east side of the mountain. I spoke with the > construction foreman, he told > >>me > >>they are doing the 211 twisty section because of all > the accident.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:40:37 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:40:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Vitriol, Gimer, etc... To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > All good flame fests but none of them top some of the > ones Sqeekers had going on. so says one obsessive-compulsive-bike-cleaning, chicken-striped bitch. ;) > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Gimer > > flame fests in chronological order ? > > > > The ones I remember: > > > > Gimer vs. Pena > > Gimer vs. Jordan (and Anker) > > Gimer vs. Kitchell > > Gimer vs. Bartman __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:42:58 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:42:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Vitriol, Gimer, etc... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Kirk Roy wrote: > "garcia oliver" wrote: > > Dave Yates writes: > > >[Dave] Tom's posts usually bring a smile to my > face... This > > >thread got me wondering. Can anyone here list the > Gimer > > >flame fests in chronological order ? > > > > > >The ones I remember: > > > > > >Gimer vs. Pena > > >Gimer vs. Jordan (and Anker) > > >Gimer vs. Kitchell > > >Gimer vs. Bartman > > > > > >Those are only within the last couple of years. > Missing > > >any? Fond DCC memories indeed.... > > > > My fantasy match: Gimer vs. Squeakers > > That wouldn't be fair at all. As soon as Tom started > sizing her up Squeekers would have her man ripping Tom a > new one. Her man can find Tom, there's no point in > hiding. > > I miss the old days... :) i joined just as squeakers was leaving, so i only enjoyed her briefly. no, i was not to blame for her departure. , -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:53:26 2004 From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 211 now chip and stone - gravel (was Rider Down) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:53:18 -0500 Apparently construction is going on 211 right now - do to the high volume of accidents/fatalities - contstruction crews are laying - chip and stone gravel overtop of tar on 211 in an attempt to prevent bike accients..... jason -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Perhaps they should put up one of the construction type signs. ==== There have been nnn accidents on 211 in the past 6 months. Of them, there have been nn serious injuries resulting in the inability to ride again and n deaths. [ Map of rider-down spots ] Please ride safe. ==== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:56:38 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:56:23 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Vitriol, Gimer, etc... Tom Gimer wrote: > i joined just as squeakers was leaving, so i only enjoyed > her briefly. What a piece of work she was... her old man, too. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 17:59:03 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Jason Picton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211 now chip and stone - gravel (was Rider Down) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:59:01 -0500 HAHA making the road surface more unstable to make it safer. I got an idea lets pore a skating rink in place of 211 and have ice on it 365 days a year. Or wait maybe we could put our heads up our asses even farther and then we wouldn't hear about the accidents? Thank God that gov't is out there to come up with ways of forcing us to live more safely. Rob "Upset" Sharp On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:53:18 -0500, Jason Picton wrote > Apparently construction is going on 211 right now - do to the high > volume of accidents/fatalities - contstruction crews are laying - > chip and stone gravel overtop of tar on 211 in an attempt to > prevent bike accients..... > > jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > > > Perhaps they should put up one of the construction type signs. > > ==== > There have been nnn accidents on 211 in the past 6 months. > > Of them, there have been nn serious injuries resulting in the inability > to ride again and n deaths. > > [ Map of rider-down spots ] > > Please ride safe. > ==== -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 18:34:21 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: 211 now chip and stone - gravel (was Rider Down) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:33:01 -0500 > Apparently construction is going on 211 right now - do to the > high volume of accidents/fatalities - contstruction crews are > laying - chip and stone gravel overtop of tar on 211 in an > attempt to prevent bike accients..... What's your source? If they're spreading loose gravel, this would precipitate accidents for all vehicles. I would imagine that there could be significant liability issues for the agency specifying the paving. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 18:49:23 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:36:23 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: H-D, Bartman summary At 04:30 PM 3/17/04 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >[Carl]: When I scribbled that "I just knew" someone was going to mention >turbines. >Well, turbines still ain't got that torque thingie worked out. >Turbines rule the air and sea. >But pistons still rule the land . . . and . . . >thumpers still rule the dirt. >Maybe the Wankel will work this time. There are a bunch of other engine options out there in the archives. Popular Science used to run a couple a year. Some had pistons, some didn't. If you want torque, go for hydraulics or steam...both have pretty much full torque at anything over 0 RPM. There are some impressive electric motors too...if we can just come up with some smaller and lighter batteries. Or maybe an MHD electric plant powered by a jet turbine, feeding a couple of high tech electric motors in the wheel hubs? That way you get torque, flames and high tech all in one very noisy package! :-) >Sheese, I found clay and grime from the Saturday ride with the Routemeister >in surprising places. >Even after washing the Sabre >Thank Soichiro San for good engine and drive train seals. I haven't had a chance to wash mine yet...though Sunday and the rides since haven't been as dirty as that rainy one probably was for you. Maybe tomorrow I'll get a chance for that. >>** Happy St. Patty's Day >I've got a green bike, is that good enough? >[Carl]: I usually tell 'em I'm wearing last week's skivvies. That usually >stops further inquiry regarding my Irishness. :) St. Patrick was a gentleman Who through strategy and stealth Drove all the snakes from Ireland. Here)B’s toasting to his health! But not too many toastings Lest you lose yourself and then Forget the good St. Patrick And see all those snakes again... Have a happy! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 18:49:26 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:49:37 -0500 To: Jason Picton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: 211 now chip and stone - gravel (was Rider Down) At 05:53 PM 3/17/04 -0500, Jason Picton wrote: >Apparently construction is going on 211 right now - do to the high volume of >accidents/fatalities - contstruction crews are laying - chip and stone >gravel overtop of tar on 211 in an attempt to prevent bike accients..... Ouch. That's the method used on the neighborhood streets when I was a kid...and was the cause of a concussion I got once on my bike. They'd just put it down a couple of days earlier and I tried to corner too fast and the bike went out from under me (this was long before helmets existed for kids on bikes ;^). They spray tar, then they spread gravel. For the first few days or weeks, the gravel is loose, and cars spin wheels, skid and generally have fun spraying gravel everywhere. Once the summer temps get up though, the tar softens again, and the gravel gets embedded in it. After a couple of years it looks a lot like very rough asphalt...or maybe 1-grit sandpaper. At that point it's easy to drive or ride on, but if you fall on it, you will lose chunks...the scars on my knees are mostly gone these days, but it took like 20 years for them to wear away. It's also fun when the temps top about 95 degrees and the tar bubbles up and you are walking barefoot and step in it accidentally...lots of fun for the S&M prone folks. Maybe they're hoping that people will slow down to the speed limit, the knee draggers will go elsewhere, and by the time the road is more or less ridable again, everyone will have forgotten about it. Probably doesn't hurt that this is a pretty quick and cheap method of paving... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 18:52:56 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:52:49 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >I just read on the dc cycles.com web site that DOT is putting down a > gravel > >like surface to keep bikes off. true or not, it'll simply banish the sportbikes. Those who ride "real" motorcycles (ie. supermotards) will clean up as they scoot around the apexes with legs pointing out, leaving darkies from the soles of their Alpinestars. Who knows, maybe you'll be able to buy steel shoes at one of the stores along the strip! *duck and running* ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 19:28:21 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:28:13 -0500 I remember seeing some gravel in a corner last summer in Europe, and I remember that I was amazed - it was the first gravel that I had seen on a paved road surface in almost two weeks. The random gravel that we cope with here in almost every corner is bad enough. Now they appear to be f*%@&%g up a perfectly good road surface in the name of safety (heaven forbid we should actually insist that people learn to drive). Once again, I will spend 'way too much money to spend two weeks riding in an area where the average motorist/motorcyclist knows what s/he's doing. Then I will return to the USofA and be greeted by the brain-dead antics of My Fellow Motorists. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 19:42:32 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:42:19 -0500 Subject: DC Cycles > "Moto Book Club" > Pick for April I'm game for reading this. Looks pretty good. Any interest on the list? Mi Moto Fidel: Motorcycling Through Castro's Cuba by Christopher P. Baker Powell's: http://tinyurl.com/yw8dg Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/299d5 ... and for those dedicated to buying from the lil' guys: http://www.ABEBooks.com --> Search > Title > 'Mi Moto Fidel' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 20:19:59 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 211 now chip and stone - gravel (was Rider Down) To: Mike Bartman , Jason Picton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:53 PM 3/17/04 -0500, Jason Picton wrote: > >Apparently construction is going on 211 right now - do > to the high volume of > >accidents/fatalities - contstruction crews are laying - > chip and stone > >gravel overtop of tar on 211 in an attempt to prevent > bike accients..... > > Ouch. That's the method used on the neighborhood streets > when I was a > kid...and was the cause of a concussion I got once on my > bike. They'd just > put it down a couple of days earlier and I tried to > corner too fast and the > bike went out from under me (this was long before helmets > existed for kids > on bikes ;^). > > They spray tar, then they spread gravel. For the first > few days or weeks, > the gravel is loose, and cars spin wheels, skid and > generally have fun > spraying gravel everywhere. Once the summer temps get up > though, the tar > softens again, and the gravel gets embedded in it. After > a couple of years > it looks a lot like very rough asphalt...or maybe 1-grit > sandpaper. At > that point it's easy to drive or ride on, but if you fall > on it, you will > lose chunks...the scars on my knees are mostly gone these > days, but it took > like 20 years for them to wear away. It's also fun when > the temps top > about 95 degrees and the tar bubbles up and you are > walking barefoot and > step in it accidentally...lots of fun for the S&M prone > folks. > > Maybe they're hoping that people will slow down to the > speed limit, the > knee draggers will go elsewhere, and by the time the road > is more or less > ridable again, everyone will have forgotten about it. > > Probably doesn't hurt that this is a pretty quick and > cheap method of > paving... i don't get it. they gave the east side of thornton gap a full-blown paving last summer. how current is this "news"? squids rarely voyage very far from the city. 211, the closest, best-known twisty road, will not be forgotten. oh, i almost forgot. thanks for the lesson in road construction! -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 20:20:02 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:17:49 -0500 Subject: 6th sense From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This morning on my regular commute route I approached a "T" intersection as usual. Coming from my direction there is a stop sign with the additional sign "right turn no stop". I have to turn right. On the left leg there is a stop sign. On the right leg there is no stop sign. As I approached I slowed and covered the brake as usual. I noticed a white SUV on my left slowing for the stop. Suddenly, even though the driver was slowing, I absolutely knew beyond any doubt that he/she was not going to stop. It had nothing to do with closure rate or the rate at which the driver was slowing. I simply KNEW he/she was not going to stop. I did, and avoided an almost certain collision. I have read about such things happening to other riders. I wish there was a way to cultivate/ re-enforce and teach that feeling. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 20:23:02 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:20:50 -0500 Subject: High tech engines From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm sure I will corrected if I am wrong, but think most the "high tech" modern stuff that has been mentioned here dates from the early part of the last century. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 22:47:16 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:47:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Rider Down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX does anybody have any real 211 numbers? i don't hear about 211 deaths nearly as often, as metro area (mostly highway) deaths. i say let the poor fellow rest without judging his actions..... --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Perhaps they should put up one of the construction type > signs. > > ==== > > There have been nnn accidents on 211 in the past 6 > months. > > Of them, there have been nn serious injuries resulting > in the inability > > to ride again and n deaths. > > [ Map of rider-down spots ] > > > > Please ride safe. > > ==== > > I like what we saw all over the country in France this > past January. Wherever a > fatal accident has occured, the put up a life-sized human > silhouette (like a > range target, but 6 feet high) at the side of the road. > It's black, with a white > "X" on the chest. If the person who died was young, they > add the age in years and > months below the "X". (Picture at > http://65.202.253.37/image/marker.jpg) > > They get your attention. When there's a cluster of three > or more of them, they > must make just about anyone think, if just for a moment. > > Maybe markers like that on 211 would have an impact. > Maybe not. > > -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 17 23:04:56 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:04:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general To: Jim McGonigle , "'Stephen Miller'" , "'Julian Halton'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX warm and dry weather required, eh? sounds like your rules are stricter -- say 69-71 degrees and 0-6% humidity. you're right though, low mileage doesn't signify squid. the neglect red flag goes up for me. --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > Nah, nothing to do swith squid. Some of us just don't > like riding unless > its warm and dry. You just can't put that many miles on > a bike when you > only drive in those conditions in MD IMHO. My 2 year old > bike has 5500 > miles on it. > > -Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Miller [mailto:freecat@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:03 PM > To: Julian Halton > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc > Japanese sportbike in > general > > > More miles might be better. It suggests non-squid > ownership. The > bikes themselves should run a very long time, when taken > care of. Dare > I say it, as long as a Harley. > > On Mar 17, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find > bikes for sale with > > remarkably low mileage. This leads me to a ask a > question...anyone > > care to pontificate about what the average life > expectancy (mileage) > > in terms > > of a sportbike is? > > I see bikes for sale all the time with 2k to 6k miles > on them. Is there > > a rough point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly > decreases resale > > value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no > longer give you > > enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a > mileage red flag? > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 02:12:00 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:11:42 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Speaking of wankel motors ... >>[Carl]: When I scribbled that "I just knew" someone was going to mention >>turbines. >>Well, turbines still ain't got that torque thingie worked out. >>Turbines rule the air and sea. >>But pistons still rule the land . . . and . . . >>thumpers still rule the dirt. >>Maybe the Wankel will work this time. Does anyone here have any experience with the Wankel rotary motor Suzuki used in the 1975 RE5? We do these bizarre projects at the shop from time to time, and we're looking at putting (basically) that wankel motor in a RGV250 rolling chasis I have sitting around collecting dust. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 07:37:53 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:37:43 EST Subject: Re: 6th sense To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/17/2004 8:20:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, bmckeithen@XXXXXX writes: > It had nothing to do with closure rate or > the rate at which the driver was slowing. I simply KNEW he/she was not > going to stop. > I have read about such things happening to other riders. I wish there > was a way to cultivate/ re-enforce and teach that feeling. It is called experience. We have to make decisions far too fast to "think" about each one so we develop what is called a sixth sense based on subtle input, its kinda like a reflex really, no brain involved at all but it works. As for cultivation, there is only one way to cultivate experience..... New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 07:38:04 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'Stephen Miller'" , "'Julian Halton'" Cc: Subject: RE: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:37:12 -0500 Nah, I'm a 65+ degrees person. I'd take 95 over 60 any day of the week and I still wear my leather jacket doing it. Humidity doesn't bother me either, its just when it actually falls from the sky. :) -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:05 PM To: Jim McGonigle; 'Stephen Miller'; 'Julian Halton' Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general warm and dry weather required, eh? sounds like your rules are stricter -- say 69-71 degrees and 0-6% humidity. you're right though, low mileage doesn't signify squid. the neglect red flag goes up for me. --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > Nah, nothing to do swith squid. Some of us just don't > like riding unless > its warm and dry. You just can't put that many miles on > a bike when you > only drive in those conditions in MD IMHO. My 2 year old bike has > 5500 miles on it. > > -Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Miller [mailto:freecat@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:03 PM > To: Julian Halton > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc > Japanese sportbike in > general > > > More miles might be better. It suggests non-squid > ownership. The > bikes themselves should run a very long time, when taken > care of. Dare > I say it, as long as a Harley. > > On Mar 17, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find > bikes for sale with > > remarkably low mileage. This leads me to a ask a > question...anyone > > care to pontificate about what the average life > expectancy (mileage) > > in terms > > of a sportbike is? > > I see bikes for sale all the time with 2k to 6k miles > on them. Is there > > a rough point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly > decreases resale > > value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no > longer give you > > enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a > mileage red flag? > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 07:39:29 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:38:37 -0500 (EST) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211 now chip and stone - gravel (was Rider Down) On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > i don't get it. they gave the east side of thornton gap a > full-blown paving last summer. how current is this "news"? > > squids rarely voyage very far from the city. 211, the > closest, best-known twisty road, will not be forgotten. > Scorch (he used to post here every once in a while) posted up on one of the web boards that he was out there yesterday and was talking to the construction supervisor. Now he has somewhat of a funny sense of humor, so it may not be true, my suspicions were aroused with the "talk to the supervisor." So take it with a grain of salt until some else reports its true. Besides, there is always the second mountain behind it with its great sweepers, and a few miles down the road is the incredible section of 33 that makes 211 look like a sissy road. Non moto content: I'm looking for a Projection TV on the cheap. I just want it for video gaming, doesn't have to be the greatest, price is more of a concern, anyone know a place that sells used TVs? Anywhere else to look? Regards, Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 07:41:32 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:41:21 EST Subject: Re: Speaking of wankel motors ... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/18/2004 2:12:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > Does anyone here have any experience with the Wankel rotary motor Suzuki > used in the 1975 RE5? Yes. And I have a shop manual. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 07:51:45 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:51:38 -0500 Nope I ment DCsportbikes.com . That's were I got the information from. Some folks go from .com to .net so this could've been on both. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:29 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: was rider down - now Gravel on 211 >On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 04:14 PM, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > >I just read on the dc cycles.com web site that DOT is putting down a gravel >like surface to keep bikes off. I assume you meant http://www.dcsportbikes.net/ _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 08:30:05 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 05:29:57 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: MC Trailer To: DC Cycles There was some discussion a couple weeks back regarding the trailer I built. For those who are interested, I've posted some pictures. See http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b34cca842510 As a recap, here's the details. I was give the center rail & ramp (not shown), but bought the rest. Used a 2,000 lb torsion axle. It all bolts together, and breaks down for storage. The individ. parts include the axle, rail, ramp, outriggers (2), tongue, and tire block. One of these days I'll add fenders. If needed, it can all fit into the back of my grand cherokee. It does a great job holding my Bandit 1200S. It could probably carry just about any bike that would fit on the rail. All told, I probably have $600 in materials in it. 3 days of time for 2 people, plus paint time. No intention of building another one, or putting out plans. Just too damn much work. Would I do it again? Probably. I could have gotten a basic utility trailer for less, with almost no work. Still, it has a nice low rail height which makes loading easier, and is exactly what I wanted. And I have the satisfaction of knowing I built it. Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 11:10:41 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:10:09 -0500 (EST) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211 now chip and stone - gravel (was Rider Down) Another report: I went over 211 yesterday and looked like hell to find gravel but none was there. Are you guys sure it's the 211 from Sperryville to Luray? Now this morning at 4:10 a.m. there was an overkill of sand because of the weather but still no gravel. There are a few gravel in the "S" turn near the Hearthstone School but other than that I didn't see any. So I'd say Scorch was up to his usual bag of tricks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 11:19:19 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:19:05 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: DC Cycles , Brian Ray Subject: Re: MC Trailer Where can one buy just the center rail ? Non-motorcycle source preferable; it seems that basic steel C-channel shouldn't be too expensive. thanks, Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Brian Ray Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 05:29:57 -0800 (PST) >There was some discussion a couple weeks back >regarding the trailer I built. For those who are >interested, I've posted some pictures. See >http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b34cca842510 > > >As a recap, here's the details. I was give the center >rail & ramp (not shown), but bought the rest. Used a >2,000 lb torsion axle. It all bolts together, and >breaks down for storage. The individ. parts include >the axle, rail, ramp, outriggers (2), tongue, and tire >block. One of these days I'll add fenders. If >needed, it can all fit into the back of my grand >cherokee. > >It does a great job holding my Bandit 1200S. It could >probably carry just about any bike that would fit on >the rail. > >All told, I probably have $600 in materials in it. 3 >days of time for 2 people, plus paint time. No >intention of building another one, or putting out >plans. Just too damn much work. > >Would I do it again? Probably. I could have gotten a >basic utility trailer for less, with almost no work. >Still, it has a nice low rail height which makes >loading easier, and is exactly what I wanted. And I >have the satisfaction of knowing I built it. > >Brian > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam >http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 11:31:51 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:31:37 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: MC Trailer To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Chris - Harborfreight. $46.99 See http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=5003 Get the utility trailer there, too. Trailer plus rail delivered for less than $400. You can also get the steel locally. I think mine is 1/8". I've had good luck buying steel from Arlington Iron Works in Manassas. Brian --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Where can one buy just the center rail ? > Non-motorcycle source preferable; it seems that > basic steel C-channel shouldn't be too expensive. > > thanks, > Chris > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 11:33:29 2004 From: "John White" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New guy here Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:21:34 -0500 Hi, my name is John. I live in Manassas. I'm new to the motocycling world and as you would expect I have all kinds of questions, comments, etc. I joined your sight a little while back and I have subscribed to the mailing list. The sight was reffered to me by a friend and I've enjoyed reading the information posted there. I've been reading the posts made by the members, however, color me stupid, but I have no idea how to respond to everyone or make a post myself? Do I just email it or is there another format? Thanks for you help. _________________________________________________________________ All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 11:43:03 2004 From: "customtankbags" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: New guy here Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:43:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.14.155.168] at Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:42:59 -0600 HI John, Welcome. You just made a post. You can reply to anyone's post by hitting the reply button on your email program. DC-Cycles is a reply to poster setup, so if you want to reply to the list, you need to change the to address. So, what kind of bike do you have? Did you take the MSF class? See we have questions too. Oh, and I'm a fan of Kokopelli as well. LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing John White said: Hi, my name is John. I live in Manassas. I'm new to the motocycling world and as you would expect I have all kinds of questions, comments, etc. I joined your sight a little while back and I have subscribed to the mailing list. The sight was reffered to me by a friend and I've enjoyed reading the information posted there. I've been reading the posts made by the members, however, color me stupid, but I have no idea how to respond to everyone or make a post myself? Do I just email it or is there another format? Thanks for you help. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 12:19:30 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Any Recommendations for Seat Work? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:19:23 -0500 On a totally different subject, anyone have any recommendations/idea of pricing to have a Corbin seat modified? I have a Corbin Gunfighter and Lady seat that is just a *tad* too wide. I want to find someone that can trim down the pan and foam and put it back together so that it looks original. I *could* try this but I've never had good luck messing around with seats. The seat as it is, chafes the top part of my thigh because the back part of the seat is wider than my butt (I know, too much information), so that the front seat (not pillion) is about an inch or two narrower than it is now. I've heard pricing in other parts of the US for mods like this run in the $40-$50 range. So, this being the DC area, I suspect somewhere in the neighborhood of $600-$700. 8-P -aki 01 FXDWG AMA Lifemember Lacrosse Dad (who absolutely hates lacrosse) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 12:21:55 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:21:00 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-dc cycles" , "List-PC800" , "List-ST1100" CC: "List-Safety" Subject: Janklow off the hook in civil case Janklow off the hook in civil case http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/03/16/news/state/state02a.txt Looks like he's being considered as "on duty" as a Senator when he ran that stop sign ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 12:29:56 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:29:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case At 12:21 PM 3/18/2004, Chris Norloff wrote: >Janklow off the hook in civil case > >http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/03/16/news/state/state02a.txt Not off the hook entirely, but US taxpayers will pay any award - not Janklow himself. If they consider him on duty, how did they ever charge him with the death in the first place? Last I heard, congressmen are immune to traffic infractions, just like diplomats. Also - I hate when articles describe MC accidents like this : "The federal government would be substituted as the defendant in the case brought by the family of Scott, who was killed Aug. 16 near Trent when his motorcycle collided with the back of a car Janklow was driving." By stating that the MC collided with Janklow's car, it tends to shift the blame in the reader's mind. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 12:35:21 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:34:43 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case Chris Norloff wrote: > Janklow off the hook in civil case > > http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/03/16/news/state/state02a.txt > > Looks like he's being considered as "on duty" as a Senator when he ran that stop sign ... Hopefully their lawyer will will his challenge and keep it in the State court. I personally love his quote ... "I'm not sure what duty he was doing for the taxpayers of the United States or the state of South Dakota by driving 80 miles an hour through a stop sign," Meshbesher said. "And quite frankly, if he was politicking before it happened, I'm not sure that's considered to be on duty." On a related note, I personally think the US attorney that moved the case to federal court should be shot. Good 'ol boys network, anyone? Let's make the taxpayers financially liable instead of Janklow ... - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 12:51:34 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case To: Brian Roach , cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: List-dc cycles don't you people want to see the family compensated? good luck finding the cash to do so in jerkoff's bank account. --- Brian Roach wrote: > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > Janklow off the hook in civil case > > > > > http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/03/16/news/state/state02a.txt > > > > Looks like he's being considered as "on duty" as a > Senator when he ran that stop sign ... > > Hopefully their lawyer will will his challenge and keep > it in the State > court. I personally love his quote ... "I'm not sure what > duty he was > doing for the taxpayers of the United States or the state > of South > Dakota by driving 80 miles an hour through a stop sign," > Meshbesher > said. "And quite frankly, if he was politicking before it > happened, I'm > not sure that's considered to be on duty." > > On a related note, I personally think the US attorney > that moved the > case to federal court should be shot. Good 'ol boys > network, anyone? > Let's make the taxpayers financially liable instead of > Janklow ... > > - Roach > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:00:26 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:56:22 -0800 (PST) From: superbeard69 Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > well aint THAT a crock o' shit! > > "......One ruling came from the U.S. attorney in > Minnesota, who decided that Janklow was on official > duty as a congressman at the time of the accident. > That means federal taxpayers, not Janklow himself, > would pay any civil damages awarded from a wrongful > death lawsuit filed by the family of Randy Scott of > Hardwick, Minn....." > > --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > Janklow off the hook in civil case > > > > > http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/03/16/news/state/state02a.txt > > > > Looks like he's being considered as "on duty" as a > > Senator when he ran that stop sign ... > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:02:28 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'DCJulian Halton'" Subject: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:08:07 -0500 Julian Halton noted, "Anytime I am on ebay or cycletrader, I always find bikes for sale with remarkably low mileage. This leads me to a ask a question...anyone care to pontificate about what the average life expectancy (mileage) in terms of a sportbike is? I see bikes for sale all the time with 2k to 6k miles on them. [Carl]: In my experience, the 3 - 6 k miles point is where the owners either gets a fright (as MB noted), realizes that this isn't the bike for them, or finds something else more interesting. [JH]: Is there a rough point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly decreases resale value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no longer give you enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a mileage red flag? [Carl]: Dunno, Would be an interesting exercise with a spread sheet and a list of market values (Blue Book, MCN, AMA). I suspect some bike types hold their value longer than others. A within-brand comparison of cruiser/sport-bike/touring types might be edifying - or - not. Then there's the tails of the distribution such as this from another list today: "Two days into motorcycle shop employment, tons of fun and excitement. Despite the rain and cold weather, already watched two squids go pavement sliding while leaving the parking lot (one on a gorgeous new dark red R1, the other with new shoes on his Goof and cold wet pavement). Can't wait to see the show when the weathers warms up." Carl in Bethesda (~72 K of commuting, cruising and sport touring on my '85 Vf700 Sabre) Yeah I rode in today and luckily missed the Red line fire. Whatta gaggle of folks on Wisconsin waiting on busses and vying for taxis. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:16:47 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:16:16 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al One thing I've noticed in my personal experience, is that modern sportbikes ('90+) of any manufacturer seem to have a hard market bottom - $3k. It is very hard to find anything cheaper than that in running condition. You can find 1992 CBRs for $3k with 20k+ miles ... and 1995 CBRs for $3k with 5k miles. In looking for a sportbike for my friend Rob last year, we came across a lot of this. We ended up getting him a '00 YZF with 8k miles for ... $4k. I think like anything (other than a harley ;) ), sportbikes take that big initial hit when you roll out of the dealership parking lot. After that ... there's really just not that much difference in pricing, unless the thing is crashed or just obviously neglected. The other thing is ... ever actually ride a sportbike for a long distance? It's not exactly comfy, especially with the latest crop. My Ducati was absolutely horrid for anything over 100 miles in a stretch. I think the average sport bike rider is a lot like the guy who has a 'vette in the garage as a second car - it's not primary transportation. - Roach Custer, Carl wrote: > [JH]: Is there a rough point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly > decreases resale value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no > longer give you enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a mileage > red flag? > > [Carl]: Dunno, Would be an interesting exercise with a spread sheet and a > list of market values (Blue Book, MCN, AMA). I suspect some bike types hold > their value longer than others. > A within-brand comparison of cruiser/sport-bike/touring types might be > edifying - or - not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:22:54 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:22:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case To: superbeard69 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX i'm no gov't contracts expert, but this is oversimplified. we need to see janklow's employment agreement to determine any duty of janklow to indemnify the government. --- superbeard69 wrote: > > > well aint THAT a crock o' shit! > > > > "......One ruling came from the U.S. attorney in > > Minnesota, who decided that Janklow was on official > > duty as a congressman at the time of the accident. > > That means federal taxpayers, not Janklow himself, > > would pay any civil damages awarded from a wrongful > > death lawsuit filed by the family of Randy Scott of > > Hardwick, Minn....." > > > > --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > > Janklow off the hook in civil case > > > > > > > > > http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/03/16/news/state/state02a.txt > > > > > > Looks like he's being considered as "on duty" as a > > > Senator when he ran that stop sign ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:29:34 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:30:00 -0500 To: Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: 6th sense At 08:17 PM 3/17/04 -0500, Bob McKeithen wrote: >I have read about such things happening to other riders. I wish there >was a way to cultivate/ re-enforce and teach that feeling. I've had that happen (the sensing thing, not the specific intersection arrangement). It happens all the time with lane changers, especially on the interstates. Driving along, no signal, and suddenly you *know* the person is going to cut in in front of you. I think the only way to cultivate it is to drive for a lot of years. After a while you start picking up really subtle cues about the situation without noticing it, and then that part of your subconscious that's monitoring that stuff sounds an alarm and you "just know". -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:35:01 2004 Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 18 Mar 2004 13:31:36 -0500 On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 13:16, Brian Roach wrote: > The other thing is ... ever actually ride a sportbike for a long > distance? It's not exactly comfy, especially with the latest crop. I've ridden the GSXR up to Long Island and back. Mostly ok but when going home I started getting some pains, mostly in the lower belly where it is basically supporting my (not inconsiderate) weight. Perhaps a 'doughnut', or just less weight ;-) > My > Ducati was absolutely horrid for anything over 100 miles in a stretch. I > think the average sport bike rider is a lot like the guy who has a > 'vette in the garage as a second car - it's not primary transportation. > We do have a car, but I use it mainly for cargo and short, inclement weather things. > - Roach > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:37:59 2004 Subject: Bike Comfort: : Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:42:42 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Brian Roach" , "DCCycles" Funny thing is from herniated disks, in a long car ride I get all stiff and achy. My bum knee- tendonitis from that stupid exercise known as running. they both get on my case at about an hour or so. All the folks told me. sport bikes are uncomfortable. A few minutes at highway speed and my forearms would be numb, neck stiff and knee screaming. I have found the r6 to be more comfortable than my 02 Celica and I am 6'1, 195ish depending on the day. Just a thought -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:16 PM To: 'DCCycles' Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al One thing I've noticed in my personal experience, is that modern sportbikes ('90+) of any manufacturer seem to have a hard market bottom - $3k. It is very hard to find anything cheaper than that in running condition. You can find 1992 CBRs for $3k with 20k+ miles ... and 1995 CBRs for $3k with 5k miles. In looking for a sportbike for my friend Rob last year, we came across a lot of this. We ended up getting him a '00 YZF with 8k miles for ... $4k. I think like anything (other than a harley ;) ), sportbikes take that big initial hit when you roll out of the dealership parking lot. After that ... there's really just not that much difference in pricing, unless the thing is crashed or just obviously neglected. The other thing is ... ever actually ride a sportbike for a long distance? It's not exactly comfy, especially with the latest crop. My Ducati was absolutely horrid for anything over 100 miles in a stretch. I think the average sport bike rider is a lot like the guy who has a 'vette in the garage as a second car - it's not primary transportation. - Roach Custer, Carl wrote: > [JH]: Is there a rough point at which mileage on a sportbike greatly > decreases resale value. Specifically at what mileage would a dealer no > longer give you enough value on a bike as a trade-in. Is there a > mileage red flag? > > [Carl]: Dunno, Would be an interesting exercise with a spread sheet > and a list of market values (Blue Book, MCN, AMA). I suspect some > bike types hold their value longer than others. > A within-brand comparison of cruiser/sport-bike/touring types might be > edifying - or - not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:40:15 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:36:43 -0500 To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: MC Trailer At 05:29 AM 3/18/04 -0800, Brian Ray wrote: >There was some discussion a couple weeks back >regarding the trailer I built. For those who are >interested, I've posted some pictures. See >http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b34cca842510 Very nice job! It looks a lot like a commercial one I used to own...but that one didn't break down for storage. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:40:20 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:40:37 -0500 To: Brian Ray , cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: MC Trailer At 08:31 AM 3/18/04 -0800, Brian Ray wrote: >Chris - > >Harborfreight. $46.99 See > >http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=5003 > >Get the utility trailer there, too. Trailer plus rail >delivered for less than $400. Note the sizes carefully and check against your bike...5" wide won't fit a lot of tires, and 5' long won't fit a lot of bikes. The commercial trailer I used to own was fine for my XT-550, but it wouldn't take the Honda 700 unless I deflated the tires. Inflated they were just a touch too wide for it. No way would it have handled the Harley. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:46:43 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:46:19 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case At 12:29 PM 3/18/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >Not off the hook entirely, but US taxpayers will pay any award - not >Janklow himself. If they consider him on duty, how did they ever charge >him with the death in the first place? Last I heard, congressmen are >immune to traffic infractions, just like diplomats. You can't detain a member of Congress while Congress is in session and they are in pursuit of their duty...for misdemeanors. What they charged him with was, I believe, a felony, and he doesn't get immunity for that. >Also - I hate when articles describe MC accidents like this : "The federal >government would be substituted as the defendant in the case brought by the >family of Scott, who was killed Aug. 16 near Trent when his motorcycle >collided with the back of a car Janklow was driving." > >By stating that the MC collided with Janklow's car, it tends to shift the >blame in the reader's mind. Yes, it does...though the way it is described is, technically, correct. It's the truth, but not the whole truth. Journalists are *supposed* be know about things like that...so it must have been done on purpose. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:46:48 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:42:31 -0500 To: "John White" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: New guy here At 11:21 AM 3/18/04 -0500, John White wrote: >Hi, my name is John. Ho John! >I joined your sight Site. See? :^) >information posted there. I've been reading the posts made by the members, >however, color me stupid, but I have no idea how to respond to everyone or >make a post myself? Do I just email it or is there another format? Thanks >for you help. Looks like you figured it out...your post made it to the list. Just do whatever you did when you want to post again. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:48:15 2004 Subject: RE: MC Trailer Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:48:04 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" , "Brian Ray" , "DC Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:17 M:4 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:6 C:4 M:4 S:4 R:4 (2.0000 8.0000) Extremely clean design! Is that a torsion axle? Nice to have a bit of spring action, take some of the stress off the bike. You ought to form a company, sell these, or at least detailed design drawings. I'd buy one. How much? Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:37 PM To: Brian Ray; DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC Trailer At 05:29 AM 3/18/04 -0800, Brian Ray wrote: >There was some discussion a couple weeks back >regarding the trailer I built. For those who are >interested, I've posted some pictures. See >http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b34cca842510 Very nice job! It looks a lot like a commercial one I used to own...but that one didn't break down for storage. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:50:57 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:50:17 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: Julian Halton CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Comfort: : Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al Julian Halton wrote: > I have found the r6 to be more comfortable than my 02 Celica and I am > 6'1, 195ish depending on the day. Just a thought In your case, this actually makes sense. If you're doing it right, most of your weight is supported by your abdomen on a sportbike vs. your back when sitting in a car. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:52:14 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:49:37 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in general Cc: "'DCJulian Halton'" At 01:08 PM 3/18/04 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >Carl in Bethesda (~72 K of commuting, cruising and sport touring on my '85 >Vf700 Sabre) I *thought* that bike looked familiar! (allowing for the "easy maintenance mods" you've added! :) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:54:05 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:54:27 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , "Brian Ray" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: MC Trailer At 01:48 PM 3/18/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >Extremely clean design! Is that a torsion axle? Nice to have a bit of spring action, take some of the stress off the bike. > >You ought to form a company, sell these, or at least detailed design drawings. I'd buy one. How much? I suggested that a couple of weeks ago when he described it...I'd buy a set of plans too. He says he's not interested in our money though. :^) Maybe we should sneak over with a camera and a tape and commit some industrial espionage and sell them ourselves? :) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 13:58:07 2004 Subject: RE: MC Trailer Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:57:59 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" , "Brian Ray" , "DC Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:17 M:5 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:6 C:4 M:4 S:4 R:4 (2.0000 8.0000) Add an aluminum snout for tire cover/wind screen/fairing protection, and I know these would sell to the cognoscenti. Park one alongside the road at Daytona Beach, take orders... Quite serious about buying one,though. If not this fine example, then one of the Harbor Freight Models. The rectangular bed on the HF models might have more general utility, for loading that spare engine block or what-have-you, but I appreciate the look of "stripped to the bare essentials" that Brian's design exemplifies. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:54 PM To: Verde, Robert; Brian Ray; DC Cycles Subject: RE: MC Trailer At 01:48 PM 3/18/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >Extremely clean design! Is that a torsion axle? Nice to have a bit of spring action, take some of the stress off the bike. > >You ought to form a company, sell these, or at least detailed design drawings. I'd buy one. How much? I suggested that a couple of weeks ago when he described it...I'd buy a set of plans too. He says he's not interested in our money though. :^) Maybe we should sneak over with a camera and a tape and commit some industrial espionage and sell them ourselves? :) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 14:08:19 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:08:16 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think this is a bit of blanket statement and not true for all models. Even though my VFR may not be considered a "true sportbike", its damn comfortable well up to 500 miles in a day, much more so then the Honda Magna I used to own. One thing to consider when riding a cruiser is the "straight up" position offers no support for your lower back and unless you have a back rest, you are gonna get back aches. As far as the sport bike arena, I've also ridden other bikes such as the Honda 929 which is super comfy, also the ZX-9 for the long haul. Glenn --- Brian Roach wrote: > The other thing is ... ever actually ride a > sportbike for a long > distance? It's not exactly comfy, especially with > the latest crop. My > Ducati was absolutely horrid for anything over 100 > miles in a stretch. I > think the average sport bike rider is a lot like the > guy who has a > 'vette in the garage as a second car - it's not > primary transportation. > > - Roach > > Custer, Carl wrote: > > > [JH]: Is there a rough point at which mileage on a > sportbike greatly > > decreases resale value. Specifically at what > mileage would a dealer no > > longer give you enough value on a bike as a > trade-in. Is there a mileage > > red flag? > > > > [Carl]: Dunno, Would be an interesting exercise > with a spread sheet and a > > list of market values (Blue Book, MCN, AMA). I > suspect some bike types hold > > their value longer than others. > > A within-brand comparison of > cruiser/sport-bike/touring types might be > > edifying - or - not. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 14:12:45 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:16:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case To: Tom Gimer Cc: Brian Roach , cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles From: "garcia oliver" Tom Gimer writes: >don't you people want to see the family compensated? good >luck finding the cash to do so in jerkoff's bank account. Do you know anything about Janklow's assets? --garcia > > >--- Brian Roach wrote: >> Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> > Janklow off the hook in civil case >> > >> > >> >http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/03/16/news/state/state02a.txt >> > >> > Looks like he's being considered as "on duty" as a >> Senator when he ran that stop sign ... >> >> Hopefully their lawyer will will his challenge and keep >> it in the State >> court. I personally love his quote ... "I'm not sure what >> duty he was >> doing for the taxpayers of the United States or the state >> of South >> Dakota by driving 80 miles an hour through a stop sign," >> Meshbesher >> said. "And quite frankly, if he was politicking before it >> happened, I'm >> not sure that's considered to be on duty." >> >> On a related note, I personally think the US attorney >> that moved the >> case to federal court should be shot. Good 'ol boys >> network, anyone? >> Let's make the taxpayers financially liable instead of >> Janklow ... >> >> - Roach >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 14:24:28 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:24:20 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: RE: MC Trailer To: "Verde, Robert" , Mike Bartman , DC Cycles Mike & Robert - Thanks for the compliments. Yes, it is a fairly clean design. That's what I was going for. Probably a bit heavier in some places than need be, and the overall weight is more than I like, but I'm really satisfied with how it turns out. Yes, it is a torsion axle. 2000 lb version. I could have gone with a 1000 lb version, but bigger is better, right! (Perhaps that theory is why the whole thing weighs more than it should...) I went that way to get the suspension and still keep the rail low for easier loading. Besides, if I ever want to modify it for 2 bikes, it will hold the weight. It would be nice to have either a place for the sidestand, or something that grips the front tire better. Right now it's a bit hard to load single-handed. The sidestand falls smack in the middle of the void though, so that's not likely. I need to think about how to capture the front tire better, when I drive the bike up onto the trailer. No, as I said earlier, making more copies isn't in the works. The liability issues alone are prohibitive, let alone the process of getting it made, publicized, and sold. No thanks, I'll keep to practicing landscape architecture & planning to kep me fed & in toys. Besides, there's plenty of other folks making good trailers out there. If you'd like a better look, or to take measurements, no need to sneek over. Just let me know and I'd be happy to show you. --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > Add an aluminum snout for tire cover/wind > screen/fairing protection, and I know these would > sell to the cognoscenti. Park one alongside the > road at Daytona Beach, take orders... > > Quite serious about buying one,though. If not this > fine example, then one of the Harbor Freight Models. > The rectangular bed on the HF models might have > more general utility, for loading that spare engine > block or what-have-you, but I appreciate the look of > "stripped to the bare essentials" that Brian's > design exemplifies. > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:54 PM > To: Verde, Robert; Brian Ray; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: MC Trailer > > > At 01:48 PM 3/18/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: > >Extremely clean design! Is that a torsion axle? > Nice to have a bit of > spring action, take some of the stress off the bike. > > > >You ought to form a company, sell these, or at > least detailed design > drawings. I'd buy one. How much? > > I suggested that a couple of weeks ago when he > described it...I'd buy a set > of plans too. He says he's not interested in our > money though. :^) > > Maybe we should sneak over with a camera and a tape > and commit some > industrial espionage and sell them ourselves? :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 14:26:53 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case To: garcia oliver Cc: Brian Roach , cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles --- garcia oliver wrote: > Tom Gimer writes: > >don't you people want to see the family compensated? > good > >luck finding the cash to do so in jerkoff's bank > account. > > Do you know anything about Janklow's assets? i don't. but i do know this: if he HAS significant assets, they may be slowly finding their way into hiding. one more comment: would you guys rather a local, likely pro-janklow court tried the civil suit or a [supposedly] unbiased federal one? > >--- Brian Roach wrote: > >> Chris Norloff wrote: > >> > >> > Janklow off the hook in civil case > >> > > >> > > >> > >http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/03/16/news/state/state02a.txt > >> > > >> > Looks like he's being considered as "on duty" as a > >> Senator when he ran that stop sign ... > >> > >> Hopefully their lawyer will will his challenge and > keep > >> it in the State > >> court. I personally love his quote ... "I'm not sure > what > >> duty he was > >> doing for the taxpayers of the United States or the > state > >> of South > >> Dakota by driving 80 miles an hour through a stop > sign," > >> Meshbesher > >> said. "And quite frankly, if he was politicking before > it > >> happened, I'm > >> not sure that's considered to be on duty." > >> > >> On a related note, I personally think the US attorney > >> that moved the > >> case to federal court should be shot. Good 'ol boys > >> network, anyone? > >> Let's make the taxpayers financially liable instead of > >> Janklow ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 14:41:39 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:16:29 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'DCJulian Halton'" > This leads me to a ask a > question...anyone care to pontificate about what the average life expectancy > (mileage) in terms of a sportbike is? From what I've seen, supporting the general life expectancies quoted here of 50-100K miles for Japanese bikes, 40K seems to be the point where many users start encountering engine problems. Taking my buddy Chris's '98 Superhawk ( fairly bulletproof bike, AFAIK) as an example, in adddition to tires and normal maintenance, he went through five sets of wheel bearings (which sounds high to me) in getting to that 40k point; then the engine niggles set in. By 52k, he was seeing enough engine intermittents and other problems -- despite diagnostic attempts by MFI and others -- that the bike was no longer viable as a commuter. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 14:57:19 2004 Subject: RE: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike ingener al Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:52:39 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: , "DCCycles" Cc: "DCJulian Halton" X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:16 M:2 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:6 C:4 M:4 S:4 R:4 (2.0000 8.0000) For another reference data point, my '83 Honda Interceptor encountered second-gear transmission problems at 42.5K. Engine may have other issues, but there were some problems with the first-generation Interceptors that the factory fixed in later releases. Robert -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:16 PM To: 'DCCycles' Cc: 'DCJulian Halton' Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike ingener al From what I've seen, supporting the general life expectancies quoted here of 50-100K miles for Japanese bikes, 40K seems to be the point where many users start encountering engine problems. Taking my buddy Chris's '98 Superhawk ( fairly bulletproof bike, AFAIK) as an example, in adddition to tires and normal maintenance, he went through five sets of wheel bearings (which sounds high to me) in getting to that 40k point; then the engine niggles set in. By 52k, he was seeing enough engine intermittents and other problems -- despite diagnostic attempts by MFI and others -- that the bike was no longer viable as a commuter. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 15:07:43 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:07:20 -0500 From: Skip To: "Verde, Robert" CC: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, DCCycles , DCJulian Halton Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbikeingener al "Verde, Robert" wrote: > > For another reference data point, my '83 Honda Interceptor encountered second-gear transmission problems at 42.5K. Engine may have other issues, but there were some problems with the first-generation Interceptors that the factory fixed in later releases. > > Robert yeah, second gear on the 80's V4's is a known weak spot. but they've got enough torque that you don't -have- to use it ;-) --skip, finishing up payments on an 85 V65 Sabre. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 15:13:33 2004 From: "John White" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New guy here Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:13:25 -0500 Okay, I'm in cool! Well, like I was saying, my name is John. I started riding back in October, I know, late bloomer. I have my learner's permit and as of now a friend is teaching me how to ride. It's so damn hard to get the MSF course in this area! I am signed up for the March session though and I can hardly wait! Anyway, the first thing I did was buy all my gear before I even got a bike. Helmet, heavy leather jacket, gloves, boots and I even bought an armored textile suit (got a great deal on it). I started out on a GS500E, fun lil' bike and it was GREAT for a starter but, I just sold that one about a month ago. Now I'm riding a 2002 YZF600R. And am I having fun! I'm not into all that stunting stuff or road racing, I'm just enjoying learning to control the bike and just riding. Recently I read Proficient Motorcycling by Hough and I'll definitely be keeping that like it's the Bible. Can anyone recommend another good book? Do the people that frequent these forums ever get together for meets or rides? _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar )B– FREE! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 15:18:34 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:18:01 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al Glenn Dysart wrote: > I think this is a bit of blanket statement and not > true for all models. Even though my VFR may not be > considered a "true sportbike", its damn comfortable > well up to 500 miles in a day, much more so then the > Honda Magna I used to own. Which is why the VFR wins "best sport-touring bike" awards year after year. I'm talking about 600/750/1000 class racebikes-with-turn-signals. The VFR, while a very competent machine, is not anything close to an R6 (nor is it intended to be) It's not that you *can't* ride them long distances ... it's that there are more suitable bikes for doing so (The VFR is a prime example). Basically what I'm saying is that I've never seen Yamaha market the R6 as a long-distance sport-touring machine :) When looking at used bike listings, the evidence seems to bear this out - you will routinely see bikes like VFRs with high mileage, while 10 year old, 600cc race replicas have less than 10k on them. From the "average" 600/750/1000 sport riders we have come through the shop all the time, I can also add that this list doesn't reflect what I consider to be "average" riders. DC Sportbike is much closer. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 15:25:39 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:25:36 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'DCJulian Halton'" > > This leads me to a ask a > > question...anyone care to pontificate about what > the average life expectancy > > (mileage) in terms of a sportbike is? I'll chime in as well. For myself, I consider 100K to be a relatively solid ending point. I can replace the engine, bearings, some of the fittings, fuel tank and other things that quit before 100K, but when the wiring harness stops being reliable, I give up on it. I'm currently working on my ZX6, it's got 80K miles. This is it's 3rd major makeover. I go through the bike replace fluids, brake pads, repair bodywork cracks and whatever else needs to be fixed. This is probably the last time I'll do this for the ZX, among other things, the temp sensor that turns the fan on needs to be replaced, both front rotors needed to be replaced, one motor mount bolt was missing, and the horn stopped working. I'll fix it well enough to go another 20K miles or so, but by then I expect even stranger things to go wrong with it. Other bikes I've owned: '83 Honda CX650 - 127K miles '83 Honda GL650 - 105K miles '89 Ninja 250 (John Deere) - 101K miles Current bikes '91 Kawasaki ZX6 - '80K miles '90 Kawasaki EX250 - 47K miles '90/'01 Kawasaki EX250 (IBR bike)- 49K miles Leon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 15:53:14 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:50:56 -0500 To: Brian Ray , "Verde, Robert" , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: MC Trailer At 11:24 AM 3/18/04 -0800, Brian Ray wrote: >Mike & Robert - > >Thanks for the compliments. Yes, it is a fairly clean You're welcome, but it does look like a first-rate job. >If you'd like a better look, or to take measurements, >no need to sneek over. Just let me know and I'd be >happy to show you. I may take you up on that offer some day, but I think I need to learn to weld first...going to go work on that later today. :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 15:54:49 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: New guy here Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:54:41 -0500 > Do the people that frequent these forums ever get > together for meets or rides? We used to in the old days when we had coal-fueled motorcycles. We mostly sit at keyboards and kvetch at each other these days. Actually riding a motorcycle is declasse. That being said - welcome aboard. I don't know if you missed it earlier, but Leon Begeman is hosting another one of his infamous "Circles" on Sunday, March 21st in the commuter lot on the east side of I-95 exit 158 from 2 to about 5. Wander on down, meet some of the folks and see just how hard it is to ride in a circle. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 16:16:07 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leon's circles (was New guy here) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:09:49 -0500 This happening in the rain at any temp? _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 16:20:05 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:19:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leon's circles (was New guy here) On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, rich hall wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:09:49 -0500 > From: rich hall > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Leon's circles (was New guy here) > > This happening in the rain at any temp? No one ever said it was going to be easy. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 16:22:53 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:22:38 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Leon's circles To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- rich hall wrote: > This happening in the rain at any temp? Thanks for the intro. No, the chalk doesn't stay on the parking lot if it's wet. If it's raining enough to make the pavement wet, this event will be cancelled and rescheduled. On Sunday afternoon, from 2 to 5 PM I'll be hosting another "Circles" day. Who: I'm posting this on DCCycles, Ninja 250 riders club and to a few friends and neighbors. What: Riding around in a parking lot. I use sidewalk chalk to set up a couple of exercises similar to MSF or DMV courses. I've got a relatively large figure 8 where there will be a few guys scraping foot pegs. The small circles event is done for time, it's a fun event where my 11yo daughter on her bicycle and Dale Horstman on his Concours can ride faster than several of the sport bike guys. When: Sunday March 21, 2 PM until 5 PM Where: The commuter parking lot at Exit 158 of I-95 near Woodbridge, VA. We'll be in the new back lot, if you don't see us, ride around a while, it's a big parking lot. Why: It's spring, time to get in a bit of practice to sharpen up those rusty riding skills. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 16:22:54 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:22:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Leon Begeman CC: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , "'DCCycles'" , "'DCJulian Halton'" Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al Leon Begeman wrote: >>>This leads me to a ask a >>>question...anyone care to pontificate about what >> >>the average life expectancy >> >>>(mileage) in terms of a sportbike is? > > > I'll chime in as well. For myself, I consider 100K to > be a relatively solid ending point. Kawasaki must think so, as well, since the odometer rolls over to all zeros once you hit 100,000. My bike only has 18,000 miles on it at first glance now. Looks like crap for only 18k on the odometer, too. :) I can see why people think Japanese bikes don't last... Horkster '98 Concours, 118,000 miles. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 16:25:05 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:24:57 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: mjordan812@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New guy here mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: >>Do the people that frequent these forums ever get >>together for meets or rides? > > > We used to in the old days when we had coal-fueled motorcycles. We mostly sit at keyboards and kvetch at each other these days. Actually riding a motorcycle is declasse. > > That being said - welcome aboard. I don't know if you missed it earlier, but Leon Begeman is hosting another one of his infamous "Circles" on Sunday, March 21st in the commuter lot on the east side of I-95 exit 158 from 2 to about 5. > > Wander on down, meet some of the folks and see just how hard it is to ride in a circle. > > Michael J. Can't wait, it's been a while since I've seen some of you clowns. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 16:30:16 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:30:07 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: "Daniel H. Brown" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leon's circles (was New guy here) Daniel H. Brown wrote: > On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, rich hall wrote: > > >>Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:09:49 -0500 >>From: rich hall >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: Leon's circles (was New guy here) >> >>This happening in the rain at any temp? > > > > No one ever said it was going to be easy. Leon might have to keep re-applying the chalk if it's raining hard enough. Oh well. The pains of being a host. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 16:58:00 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:01:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case To: Tom Gimer Cc: Brian Roach , cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles From: "garcia oliver" Tom Gimer writes: >--- garcia oliver wrote: >> Tom Gimer writes: >> >don't you people want to see the family compensated? >> good >> >luck finding the cash to do so in jerkoff's bank >> account. >> >> Do you know anything about Janklow's assets? > >i don't. but i do know this: if he HAS significant assets, I didn't know either. But congress-creatures are not generally known for taking vows of poverty. Or, more accurately, keeping them. So I looked it up: "On his most recent personal financial disclosure report, Rep. Janklow listed between $2.25 million and $7.7 million in assets, not including a retirement annuity from the state of South Dakota valued at $530,000." plus over a million dollars in unspent campaign contributions. [source: www.hillnews.com/news/031004/janklow.aspx](Plus, possibly, insurance coverage?) > >they may be slowly finding their way into hiding. Interesting. I'm sure this comes up frequently. How is it handled? Given the existence of his public financial records I would imagine this would be difficult to do. > > >one more comment: would you guys rather a local, likely >pro-janklow court tried the civil suit or a [supposedly] >unbiased federal one? > I'd say local if it's a civil jury trial: he was convicted by a local (in his home state, S. Dakota) jury. Too bad they couldn't set the sentence. The civil suit was filed in Minnesota (the victim's home state), so there's even less reason to think that local court would be "pro-janklow". --garcia "The Law, in its majestic Equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor from stealing bread, begging in the streets, and sleeping under bridges."--Anatole France From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 17:10:47 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:10:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case To: garcia oliver Cc: Brian Roach , cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles --- garcia oliver wrote: > Tom Gimer writes: > >--- garcia oliver wrote: > >> Tom Gimer writes: > >> >don't you people want to see the family compensated? > >> good > >> >luck finding the cash to do so in jerkoff's bank > >> account. > >> > >> Do you know anything about Janklow's assets? > > > >i don't. but i do know this: if he HAS significant > assets, > > I didn't know either. But congress-creatures are not > generally known for > taking vows of poverty. Or, more accurately, keeping > them. So I looked it > up: > > "On his most recent personal financial disclosure report, > Rep. Janklow > listed between $2.25 million and $7.7 million in assets, > not including a > retirement annuity from the state of South Dakota valued > at $530,000." > plus over a million dollars in unspent campaign > contributions. [source: > www.hillnews.com/news/031004/janklow.aspx](Plus, > possibly, insurance > coverage?) prolly so.... but doubtful it is enough to satisfy the family's demand. there may also be an opportunity for the insurer to disclaim or exclude coverage. and how are the assets titled? in trust? jointly? it matters.... a lot. > >they may be slowly finding their way into hiding. > > Interesting. I'm sure this comes up frequently. How is > it handled? > Given the existence of his public financial records I > would imagine this > would be difficult to do. i can tell you where the first $x million may go (depending upon whether his insurance includes defense costs within limits)... what more deserving party than a high-profile defense team? [yes, i'm being critical of the system] one can only guess that some of the assets will also find their way to family members, trusts, etc. how quickly is the matter scheduled to go to trial? > >one more comment: would you guys rather a local, likely > >pro-janklow court tried the civil suit or a [supposedly] > >unbiased federal one? > > > I'd say local if it's a civil jury trial: he was > convicted by a local (in > his home state, S. Dakota) jury. Too bad they couldn't > set the sentence. > The civil suit was filed in Minnesota (the victim's home > state), so > there's even less reason to think that local court would > be "pro-janklow". ah.... i didn't even read the links. actually didn't realize the victim was not a south dakotan (sp). good point, garcia. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 17:24:41 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:24:27 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case Tom ... I'm obviously not the lawyer here , but .. What insurance would he have that would cover a civil wrongful death suit? I don't believe my auto policy would. And in a civil suit, couldn't they also get their legal costs added on to any judgement? - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 17:28:12 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:28:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al Cc: "'DCJulian Halton'" The VTRs have a reputation for dodgy cam chain tensioners. One of Honda's most bulletproof engines, the VFR, uses gear-driven cams and it's one of the big reasons I have one. Honda over-engineer the bejesus out of these engines after their troubles with the V4s in the 80s. I should be able to keep this critter on the road, easily, for 100,000 miles. The only "major" problem I've had with the bike was a regulator/rectifier that went toes up at 38,000 miles. It's got 60k on it now. Paul, DC, 95 VFR -----Original Message----- From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" > This leads me to a ask a > question...anyone care to pontificate about what the average life expectancy > (mileage) in terms of a sportbike is? From what I've seen, supporting the general life expectancies quoted here of 50-100K miles for Japanese bikes, 40K seems to be the point where many users start encountering engine problems. Taking my buddy Chris's '98 Superhawk..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 18:02:25 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:48:07 -0500 I'm confused as to what the avg is? I think this list is older than the DCSportbikes.com crowd. They do a lot of riding over there. Think the avg guy over there rides more than the avg guy over here. I personally don't have the time to give up to go riding all day Sat, there's other stuff I need/rather do. Those guys seem to be able to do it every weekend. Don't get a lot of reports of that here. I'm sure it happens though. >From: Brian Roach >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in >gener al >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:18:01 -0500 > I can also add that this list doesn't reflect what I consider to be "average" riders. DC Sportbike is much closer. _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 18:04:58 2004 From: Jason Picton To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in g ener al Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:04:50 -0500 Superhawks are like that esp if you don't do something about the camchain tensioners... They were an issue with on VTR's with higher mileage - lots of folks had issues with them, if I remember correctly...... However - engine probs with high mileage and abnormal number of wheel bearings replacements together to me say wheelies!! Jason -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:16 PM To: 'DCCycles' Cc: 'DCJulian Halton' Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al > This leads me to a ask a > question...anyone care to pontificate about what the average life expectancy > (mileage) in terms of a sportbike is? From what I've seen, supporting the general life expectancies quoted here of 50-100K miles for Japanese bikes, 40K seems to be the point where many users start encountering engine problems. Taking my buddy Chris's '98 Superhawk ( fairly bulletproof bike, AFAIK) as an example, in adddition to tires and normal maintenance, he went through five sets of wheel bearings (which sounds high to me) in getting to that 40k point; then the engine niggles set in. By 52k, he was seeing enough engine intermittents and other problems -- despite diagnostic attempts by MFI and others -- that the bike was no longer viable as a commuter. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 18:08:30 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:08:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Janklow off the hook in civil case To: Brian Roach , List-dc cycles --- Brian Roach wrote: > Tom ... I'm obviously not the lawyer here , but .. > > What insurance would he have that would cover a civil > wrongful death > suit? i'll give you a short, off-the-cuff answer because i'm no insurance expert and have not followed the case except for on list. perhaps the civil suit includes a negligence claim. if he's found to be negligent he will almost certainly covered by auto insurance because, well, that's why we buy it. of course, the insurer might argue that j's actions were intentional and disclaim coverage on that or some other basis. if successful, janklow (apparently a wealthy dude) might have an umbrella or other policy which could conceivably cover him even if (or perhaps even simply because) the underlying coverage didn't "cover" him. there is also the possibility that the loss could be partly covered by insurance and partly not. > I don't believe my auto policy would. And in a > civil suit, > couldn't they also get their legal costs added on to any > judgement? hmmm. i guess that depends upon whether a statute applies that works that way. i may not understand your question.... but absent some agreement to the contrary, the general rule is that parties pay for their own attorneys. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 18:47:49 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > of riding over there. Think the avg guy over there rides more than > the avg guy over here. I doubt that. There are easily a dozen here who ride 20K+ miles a year. when you do so much of it, you don't care to blab about the 200mi you did on a Sat as if it were a novel concept. Plus I'd hazard that most of us don't ride for thrills near as much as they do so there is further disincentive to post. Not to mention, those readers post to ego-stroke to some extent I should think. Here most of us are solidly middle-age'ish (ie's 30's +) and beyond caring much for what others think of ourselves. I do enjoy Paul Wilson's accounts and others who like Carl can write about their trips with disturbing clarity of mind despite having no notes. Me, I haven't been on any exciting trips in a long while and 150mi every day sorta makes anything less than a multi-day excursion to places exotic rather passe. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 19:53:06 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:53:02 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- matthew patton wrote: > > of riding over there. Think the avg guy over there rides more than > > the avg guy over here. > > I do enjoy Paul Wilson's accounts and others who like Carl can write > about their trips with disturbing clarity of mind despite having no > notes. Actually (assuming you mean me), I take notes and pictures along the way. From the timestamps on the pictures (ditigal) and the receipts, I have a pretty accurate idea where I was at a particular time and day. I also use maps (either paper or digital) to show where I was. It sometimes helps when I can't recall a lake I passed or other landmark. If I were to actually end the day by filling a couple of pages with information, I might actually have more descriptive notes. For single or double day rides, as long as I write it down within a day or two I'm good. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 20:45:28 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:31:30 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in g ener al To: Jason Picton , "'DCCycles'" Nope, not Chris. Not that type of rider. Maybe 3-6" up off a traffic light once in a rare while, but that's it. Pretty much all his miles were commuting from Burke to Crystal City, all year round -- very easy miles. -- Larry . --- Jason Picton wrote: > Superhawks are like that esp if you don't do something about the camchain > tensioners... They were an issue with on VTR's with higher mileage - lots of > folks had issues with them, if I remember correctly...... > > However - engine probs with high mileage and abnormal number of wheel > bearings replacements together to me say wheelies!! > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:16 PM > To: 'DCCycles' > Cc: 'DCJulian Halton' > Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in > gener al > > > > This leads me to a ask a > > question...anyone care to pontificate about what the average life > expectancy > > (mileage) in terms of a sportbike is? > > From what I've seen, supporting the general life expectancies quoted here of > 50-100K miles for Japanese bikes, 40K seems to be the point where many users > start encountering engine problems. > > Taking my buddy Chris's '98 Superhawk ( fairly bulletproof bike, AFAIK) as > an > example, in adddition to tires and normal maintenance, he went through five > sets > of wheel bearings (which sounds high to me) in getting to that 40k point; > then > the engine niggles set in. By 52k, he was seeing enough engine intermittents > and > other problems -- despite diagnostic attempts by MFI and others -- that the > bike > was no longer viable as a commuter. > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 20:54:37 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:33:30 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- matthew patton wrote: >.... Here most of us are solidly middle-age'ish (ie's 30's +)... Jesus, Matt, you really know how to hurt some of us. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 20:58:21 2004 From: "Jeff Hughes" To: Subject: RE: Rider Down Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:58:09 -0500 Tom asked: << does anybody have any real 211 numbers? i don't hear about 211 deaths nearly as often, as metro area (mostly highway) deaths. >> In terms of crashes, it is very rare to go a weekend during the riding season without at least one crash at Thornton Gap. Most weekends, there is more than one. Fatalities, on the other hand, are (or were) relatively rare - one every several years. The two we've seen in the last seven months is quite unusual. That said, with the substantially higher number of sport riders up there now - a great many who are riding in groups and over their heads - maybe we're seeing a new "norm" developing. Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 21:10:19 2004 From: "David Thompson" To: Subject: Re: Japanese sportbike in general Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:10:14 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine From: Brian Roach wrote: < big snip> The other thing is ... ever actually ride a sportbike for a long distance? It's not exactly comfy, especially with the latest crop. My Ducati was absolutely horrid for anything over 100 miles in a stretch. I think the average sport bike rider is a lot like the guy who has a 'vette in the garage as a second car - it's not primary transportation. ----------------------------- Well, a VFR is a sportbike, maybe less extreme than a Ducati or the current crop of 600s, but I do ride mine all day, on the twisting back roads, at a "sporting" pace and I can "slab it" all day, although it's boring as Hell. So maybe I'm not the the "average" sportbike rider. I'm pretty sure I'm an "average" VFR pilot, at least compared to the participants in COTU, WDGAH and other group rides that I've attended. There's more than a few riders on this list who do consider their sportbike to be primary transportation. Regards, David "Routemeister" Thompson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 21:52:05 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:51:57 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: where to find run-out guage stand? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a run-out guage. Got it from Sears. But for the life of me I can't find a stand. Drawing a blank even at Sears. Any ideas? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 22:18:35 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Leon's circles Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:18:30 -0500 Leon wrote: > Who: I'm posting this on DCCycles, Ninja 250 riders > club and to a few friends and neighbors. > What: Riding around in a parking lot. I use sidewalk > chalk to set up a couple of exercises similar to MSF > or DMV courses. I've got a relatively large figure 8 > where there will be a few guys scraping foot pegs. > The small circles event is done for time, it's a fun > event where my 11yo daughter on her bicycle and Dale > Horstman on his Concours can ride faster than several > of the sport bike guys. Here's an old pic of the circles event in springfield from 6 years ago or so: http://users.adelphia.net/~abcwkroy/kirkcircles1.jpg You can only see 2 of the 3 circles but it does give you some idea. > When: Sunday March 21, 2 PM until 5 PM Dang, can't do it. I don't think the current bike would be what I'd want on that course anyway... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 18 23:23:00 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: "'matthew patton'" , Subject: RE: where to find run-out guage stand? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:23:00 -0500 Snap-on, Mac, Matco... But I don't want to start that war again! Check www.toolking.com Or http://www.madhousemanagement.com/tavia/cat9.html ^^^ They also sell motorcycle lifts, dynos, etc. www.littlemachineshop.com http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1593 Those are good starting points. Many more exist. I'd even check Hharbor Freight or Northern tool. -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:52 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: where to find run-out guage stand? I have a run-out guage. Got it from Sears. But for the life of me I can't find a stand. Drawing a blank even at Sears. Any ideas? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 01:29:36 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:30:04 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: where to find run-out guage stand? At 06:51 PM 3/18/04 -0800, matthew patton wrote: >I have a run-out guage. Got it from Sears. But for the life of me I >can't find a stand. Drawing a blank even at Sears. Any ideas? I'm not sure I know what you mean...is this basically a dial indicator that you use to tell if something is bent, wobbling or otherwise not on straight as it rotates? If so, does the stand have to have some particular configuration, or just hold the gauge at some given height and position? If that's all, those stands they use in chemistry class might work, and you could make something similar with a bit of steel rod (Home Despot or Lowe's) and something to hold it (weld it to a steel plate, drill a hole in a 4x4 and stick it in, duct-tape it to a brick, etc.). If you need to mount it on the bike to use it, how about one of those magnetic bases they have for work lights on stationary power tools? Skary in Baltimore has them, the Wood Show at the Dulles Expo Center this weekend will have someone selling them (they have the last 3 or 4 I've been to anyway), and you might be able to find them at Home Despot or Lowe's too. Is making a bracket out of scrap and bolting it on somewhere an option? I'm assuming you want this for something on the bike...rather than to tell if your table-saw arbor is bent, or your router bearings are shot...you don't really want a "stand" for those uses, just a "holder". I'll quit flinging out ideas now...since I don't really know what you are looking for... :-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 06:40:20 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:40:12 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: where to find run-out guage stand? On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, matthew patton wrote: > I have a run-out guage. Got it from Sears. But for the life of me I > can't find a stand. Drawing a blank even at Sears. Any ideas? grizzly tool (www.grizzly.com) has a .001 gage, and a magnetic base/stand for about $25. I've got one I use a lot with my lathe/mill and it works fine. If you want more accurate measurements you can get test indicators that read down into the .0001 range, I've not yet had a need for such in my machining and find 1-thousandth to be accurate enough for me. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 06:58:54 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Leon's circles Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 6:58:47 -0500 > Dang, can't do it. I don't think the current bike would > be what I'd want on that course anyway... :) All the more reason... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 07:16:38 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:15:55 -0500 From: Tom To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in g ener al Jason Picton wrote: >Superhawks are like that esp if you don't do something about the camchain >tensioners... They were an issue with on VTR's with higher mileage - lots of >folks had issues with them, if I remember correctly...... > > I have to disagree with this. Yes Camchain tensioners were an issue in early modules ( and they still aren't great - but they fail in many brands/modules ), but on three VTR lists ( one in UK ), there a quite a few with 50-60k (us miles). Sure there are some with 4-6k that have had major issues - but most modules have their share of problems. There are at least a coupla owners with 100k+, yes one needed to replace steering bearings - but that was the biggest problem. Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 07:38:53 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 04:38:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- rich hall wrote: > I'm confused as to what the avg is? > I think this list is older than the DCSportbikes.com > crowd. They do a lot > of riding over there. Think the avg guy over there rides > more than the avg > guy over here. I personally don't have the time to give > up to go riding all > day Sat, there's other stuff I need/rather do. Those > guys seem to be able > to do it every weekend. Don't get a lot of reports of > that here. I'm sure > it happens though. give us some numbers. there are plenty of enthusiasts on this list. i would add that, imo, the members here have over time decided that there may be no need for ride reports when nobody crashes or is arrested. > >From: Brian Roach > >To: DC Cycles > >Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc > Japanese sportbike in > >gener al > >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:18:01 -0500 > > > I can also add that this list doesn't reflect what I > consider to be > "average" riders. DC Sportbike is much closer. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 09:08:12 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:07:25 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Japanese sportbike in general To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Brian Roach wrote: > The other thing > is ... ever actually ride a sportbike for a long > distance? It's not exactly > comfy, especially with the latest crop. It doesn't have to be that way. My last 2 touring bikes have been a Ninja 250 and a ZX6. TOURING bikes, not sport bikes. I never put more than $5000 total into either of them. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 09:23:33 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:23:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 211 obsession, was RE: Rider Down -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Hughes Tom asked: << does anybody have any real 211 numbers? i don't hear about 211 deaths nearly as often, as metro area (mostly highway) deaths. >> In terms of crashes, it is very rare to go a weekend during the riding season without at least one crash at Thornton Gap. Most weekends, there is more than one. Fatalities, on the other hand, are (or were) relatively rare - one every several years. The two we've seen in the last seven months is quite unusual. That said, with the substantially higher number of sport riders up there now - a great many who are riding in groups and over their heads - maybe we're seeing a new "norm" developing. Jeff ---------------- One thing I don't understand is the ongoing obsession with US 211/Thornton Gap among a certain segment of local sportbike owners. There are other roads within 2-3 hours of DC that are just as fun, if not more fun, which much less traffic (bikes and cages) and much less police scrutiny. It's gotten so I actively avoid that road on the weekends, due to all the antics up there. Paul in DC, 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 09:31:33 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:31:29 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: 211 obsession, was RE: Rider Down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree 100%. That roads does nothing for me. Quite honestly I like the more western 211 pass near New Market. But roads like US 33 and US 250 put US 211 to shame and no LEO. Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > ---------------- > > One thing I don't understand is the ongoing > obsession with US 211/Thornton Gap among a certain > segment of local sportbike owners. There are other > roads within 2-3 hours of DC that are just as fun, > if not more fun, which much less traffic (bikes and > cages) and much less police scrutiny. It's gotten > so I actively avoid that road on the weekends, due > to all the antics up there. > > Paul in DC, 95 VFR > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 09:37:46 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:37:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 211 obsession, was RE: Rider Down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > One thing I don't understand is the ongoing obsession > with US 211/Thornton Gap among a certain segment of local > sportbike owners. There are other roads within 2-3 hours > of DC that are just as fun, if not more fun, which much > less traffic (bikes and cages) and much less police > scrutiny. It's gotten so I actively avoid that road on > the weekends, due to all the antics up there. uh, paul, your own post provides the answer. 2-3 hours is approximately twice as long as it takes to get to thornton gap -- which to me is the gateway to the western roads to which you're likely referring. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 09:50:39 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:50:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leon's circles Drawing of the circles here - http://www.wilsonline.org/leonscircles.pdf Start at the start line, then do the numbered circles in sequence. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy Leon wrote: > Who: I'm posting this on DCCycles, Ninja 250 riders > club and to a few friends and neighbors. > What: Riding around in a parking lot. Here's an old pic of the circles event in springfield from 6 years ago or so: http://users.adelphia.net/~abcwkroy/kirkcircles1.jpg You can only see 2 of the 3 circles but it does give you some idea. > When: Sunday March 21, 2 PM until 5 PM Dang, can't do it. I don't think the current bike would be what I'd want on that course anyway... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 09:55:33 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:55:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211 obsession, was RE: Rider Down Yeah, it's close. But, it also has the Mother of All Mountain Grades reputation that escapes me. Besides, I thought those DCSportbikes folks rode *way more* on average than most of us. Going to 33, 250, VA 6, VA 56, etc., should be a walk in the park and back in time for lunch jaunt to them. ;) P -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > One thing I don't understand is the ongoing obsession > with US 211/Thornton Gap among a certain segment of local > sportbike owners. There are other roads within 2-3 hours > of DC that are just as fun, if not more fun, which much > less traffic (bikes and cages) and much less police > scrutiny. It's gotten so I actively avoid that road on > the weekends, due to all the antics up there. uh, paul, your own post provides the answer. 2-3 hours is approximately twice as long as it takes to get to thornton gap -- which to me is the gateway to the western roads to which you're likely referring. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 10:00:59 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Leon's circles Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:00:45 -0500 Awesome thanks for the drawing. I'll have to set it up sometime when it gets warmer. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:51 AM To: Kirk Roy; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leon's circles Drawing of the circles here - http://www.wilsonline.org/leonscircles.pdf Start at the start line, then do the numbered circles in sequence. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy Leon wrote: > Who: I'm posting this on DCCycles, Ninja 250 riders > club and to a few friends and neighbors. > What: Riding around in a parking lot. Here's an old pic of the circles event in springfield from 6 years ago or so: http://users.adelphia.net/~abcwkroy/kirkcircles1.jpg You can only see 2 of the 3 circles but it does give you some idea. > When: Sunday March 21, 2 PM until 5 PM Dang, can't do it. I don't think the current bike would be what I'd want on that course anyway... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 10:16:54 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:16:40 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Yeah, I'm not expecting to hit middle age until I turn 75. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/18/2004 8:33:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > > > --- matthew patton wrote: > >.... Here most of us are solidly middle-age'ish (ie's 30's > +)... > > Jesus, Matt, you really know how to hurt some of us. 8;) > > -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 10:20:29 2004 Subject: RE: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike ingener al Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:19:15 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:15 M:2 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:6 C:4 M:4 S:4 R:4 (2.0000 2.0000) Yeah, I thought middle age began at fifty. I fully intend to see my century mark, although I may have to get a side-car rig by then... ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:17 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike ingener al Yeah, I'm not expecting to hit middle age until I turn 75. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/18/2004 8:33:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > > > --- matthew patton wrote: > >.... Here most of us are solidly middle-age'ish (ie's 30's > +)... > > Jesus, Matt, you really know how to hurt some of us. 8;) > > -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 10:29:12 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211 obsession Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:15:35 -0500 I avoid 211 durring the weekends. I was asking Roach his op of avg was. Both groups have a few hardcore riders that put down some serious milage and both have some that won't ride below 65 w/ any precip. Maybe it's just this group has been around longer and went through the group ride/crash thing already and out grew it. _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 10:35:58 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:35:51 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Silver,Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , "'Paul Wilson'" , Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Leon's circles What's missing in the drawing is the other drill: a figure-8 comprising two 50' (?) diameter circles. P -----Original Message----- From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Awesome thanks for the drawing. I'll have to set it up sometime when it gets warmer. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Drawing of the circles here - http://www.wilsonline.org/leonscircles.pdf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 10:52:00 2004 Subject: RE: MC Trailer Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:51:48 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Brian Ray" , "Mike Bartman" , "DC Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:8 M:1 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:6 C:4 M:4 S:4 R:4 (2.0000 2.0000) I might take you up on the offer to photo/measure the trailer. I've been thinking of one with a little greater ground clearance, to match the new tow vehicle. Where did you source the axle? It almost looks like a VW item, but very sanitary. Brakes? None/electric? What's the procedure for getting trailers like this registered? (Apologies for all the questions!) Robert Trailer links: http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira/SiteTops/travel/trailers.htm http://www.tentrax.com/allTerrainTrailer.html http://4wheeldrive.about.com/cs/offroadtrailers/ -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ray [mailto:bdaleray@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:24 PM To: Verde, Robert; Mike Bartman; DC Cycles Subject: RE: MC Trailer Mike & Robert - Thanks for the compliments. Yes, it is a fairly clean design. That's what I was going for. Probably a bit heavier in some places than need be, and the overall weight is more than I like, but I'm really satisfied with how it turns out. Yes, it is a torsion axle. 2000 lb version. I could have gone with a 1000 lb version, but bigger is better, right! (Perhaps that theory is why the whole thing weighs more than it should...) I went that way to get the suspension and still keep the rail low for easier loading. Besides, if I ever want to modify it for 2 bikes, it will hold the weight. It would be nice to have either a place for the sidestand, or something that grips the front tire better. Right now it's a bit hard to load single-handed. The sidestand falls smack in the middle of the void though, so that's not likely. I need to think about how to capture the front tire better, when I drive the bike up onto the trailer. No, as I said earlier, making more copies isn't in the works. The liability issues alone are prohibitive, let alone the process of getting it made, publicized, and sold. No thanks, I'll keep to practicing landscape architecture & planning to kep me fed & in toys. Besides, there's plenty of other folks making good trailers out there. If you'd like a better look, or to take measurements, no need to sneek over. Just let me know and I'd be happy to show you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 10:59:05 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Verde, Robert'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: MC Trailer Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:01:41 -0500 In VA, you make the trailer, knowing its dimensions, weight, capacity, materials cost, etc. and go to DMV and fill out some paperwork. They give you back more paperwork and a metal VIN tag with rivets. You put the VIN tag where they tell you, then get your friendly neighborhood LEO to look at the trailer and sign the paper. Take paper back to DMV and get the trailer registered (might as well get permanent plates), and you're done. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Verde, Robert [SMTP:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:52 AM > To: Brian Ray; Mike Bartman; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: MC Trailer > > I might take you up on the offer to photo/measure the trailer. I've been > thinking of one with a little greater ground clearance, to match the new > tow vehicle. > > Where did you source the axle? It almost looks like a VW item, but very > sanitary. Brakes? None/electric? What's the procedure for getting > trailers like this registered? > > (Apologies for all the questions!) > > Robert > > Trailer links: > http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira/SiteTops/travel/trailers.htm > > http://www.tentrax.com/allTerrainTrailer.html > > http://4wheeldrive.about.com/cs/offroadtrailers/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Ray [mailto:bdaleray@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:24 PM > To: Verde, Robert; Mike Bartman; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: MC Trailer > > > Mike & Robert - > > Thanks for the compliments. Yes, it is a fairly clean > design. That's what I was going for. Probably a bit > heavier in some places than need be, and the overall > weight is more than I like, but I'm really satisfied > with how it turns out. > > Yes, it is a torsion axle. 2000 lb version. I could > have gone with a 1000 lb version, but bigger is > better, right! (Perhaps that theory is why the whole > thing weighs more than it should...) I went that way > to get the suspension and still keep the rail low for > easier loading. Besides, if I ever want to modify it > for 2 bikes, it will hold the weight. > > It would be nice to have either a place for the > sidestand, or something that grips the front tire > better. Right now it's a bit hard to load > single-handed. The sidestand falls smack in the > middle of the void though, so that's not likely. I > need to think about how to capture the front tire > better, when I drive the bike up onto the trailer. > > No, as I said earlier, making more copies isn't in the > works. The liability issues alone are prohibitive, > let alone the process of getting it made, publicized, > and sold. No thanks, I'll keep to practicing > landscape architecture & planning to kep me fed & in > toys. Besides, there's plenty of other folks making > good trailers out there. > > If you'd like a better look, or to take measurements, > no need to sneek over. Just let me know and I'd be > happy to show you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 11:33:55 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:33:46 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: RE: MC Trailer To: "Verde, Robert" , DC Cycles Robert - The axle (and most other trailer bits) was ordered from Northern Tool (www.northerntool.com). That axle is fairly low, which is specifically what I wanted. The height is directly related to the size of tire, with the low point about the center of the tire. I used 10" 4 on 4 trailer tires, having about a 16" total diameter. You can order different hub spindles, and use larger tires, to get much more clearance with the same axle. The trailer has no brakes - I wasn't worried about it, given the weight of the trailer bike combo. So far it's probably only 800 lbs. If I was going to do a 2-bike trailer, or tow with a smaller car, I would think more about using electric brakes. I can only speak to the process of getting a home-built trailer registered in VA. What I did was get a DMV issued VIN plate, apply it in the specified manner, had a law enforcement officer verify that it was applied correctly, then went back to the DMV for the permanent plate. Fairly painless, about $100 all told. In VA, neither brakes or inspection is required for trailer with a weight of less than 2,000 lbs. If you'd like to look at it, I'm in Fraconia, near Beulah & Franconia roads. I'd be happy to show it off. BTW, if you're interested in greater clearance, are you a member of a local off-road club, by any chance? I'm a member of the Off-Camber Crawlers, and there's lots of folks there who have more experience with off-road trailers. Brian --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > I might take you up on the offer to photo/measure > the trailer. I've been thinking of one with a > little greater ground clearance, to match the new > tow vehicle. > > Where did you source the axle? It almost looks like > a VW item, but very sanitary. Brakes? > None/electric? What's the procedure for getting > trailers like this registered? > > (Apologies for all the questions!) > > Robert > > Trailer links: > http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira/SiteTops/travel/trailers.htm > > http://www.tentrax.com/allTerrainTrailer.html > > http://4wheeldrive.about.com/cs/offroadtrailers/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 11:48:30 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "Paul Wilson" , Subject: Re: 211 obsession, was RE: Rider Down Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:36:59 -0500 I for one am glad they are 'obsessed' with US 211/Thornton Gap - less attention for myself and friends who are on the 'other roads.' I don't want to see the kind of traffic that's up on there on the weekends. I get more 'cringes per mile' on 211 than the local 'stunnaz' spots these days... -Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: 211 obsession, was RE: Rider Down snip > One thing I don't understand is the ongoing obsession with US 211/Thornton Gap among a certain segment of local sportbike owners. There are other roads within 2-3 hours of DC that are just as fun, if not more fun, which much less traffic (bikes and cages) and much less police scrutiny. It's gotten so I actively avoid that road on the weekends, due to all the antics up there. > > Paul in DC, 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 12:11:11 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:10:57 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211 obsession rich hall wrote: > I was asking Roach his op of avg > was. Most of our local sportbike customers ride their bike on the weekends only, and usualy only with friends/groups. Very few use them as a primary mode of transportation (commuting to work, for example), and we only see about 1% of them between Oct and March. By contrast, the BMW guys come in in the middle of Jan and want new tires :D (Just generalizing a bit here, but we did see a lot of BMWs over the winter). When I was talking about milage, I was talking about yearly, not on any given day. The "average" sportbike rider isn't like a lot of people here who ride every day, use them to commute, etc (again, IMHO). - Bri From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 12:54:15 2004 From: To: Paul Wilson , Subject: Re: 211 obsession, was RE: Rider Down Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:43:41 -0500 > One thing I don't understand is the ongoing obsession > with US 211/Thornton Gap... It's wiiiide, has a smooth paved surface (usually in good condition) and has two lanes up. The road is an absolute joy to ride - some of the best linked tight sweepers that I have ever seen anywhere. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 17:02:57 2004 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: How long do motobikes last? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:51:37 -0500 Depends. I think regularly ridden and maintained bikes go more miles. I bought my '96 Honda Pacific Coat at 2,200 miles in 1998. Its now got 56,000 miles. I use it 5-7 days a week. I follow the maintenance schedule, which is easy on this bike. In 52,000 miles I've done two things not mentioned by normal maintenance -- replaced one drive shaft seal and replaced the stearing head bearings. Contrast this to my previous Honda, an '85 CB-650, bought used with less than 10,000 miles in 1997. What a headhache. One year and lots of problems: a carbarator rebuild; replaced front fork seals; brakes dragging; gremlins in the electrical system; and finally, broken internal engine starter chain that cost nearly as much as the bike was worth to get fixed. The bike looked like nobody had ridden it when I bought it. _________________________________________________________________ All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 21:03:30 2004 From: "Jeff Hughes" To: Subject: RE: 211 obsession, was RE: Rider Down Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:03:18 -0500 What Mike said... The two lanes going up in either direction on 211 mean there is no need for any double-yellow passing - and it IS an absolute joy to ride. The nature of the road (sweepers as opposed to tight, technical turns) allows one get into a flow, a groove that is, for some of us, the elixer of the sport. I've long considered it to be among the top five (personal) stretches in Virginia. The fact that it's close to me is a bonus - but my opinion of the road would be the same were it many hours away. That all said - and notwithstanding the crash history there - it's not a particularly technical or demanding stretch. Rt 33 is harder to ride well - and almost always requires double-yellow passing to have a good run to the top - but it's biggest problem (as well as it's saving grace) is its distance from the D.C. area. Other frequently-named roads such as 50 and 55 have some good stretches, but carry LOTS of traffic. I personally find few things as frustrating as being on a really good stretch of road - stuck behind some slow-moving cage. In any event, at the risk of over-sterotyping folks, I wouldn't expect _most_ the folks on this list to obsess over 211 - the profile here is more commuter, long-mileage kind of riding than pure sport riding. Jeff > One thing I don't understand is the ongoing obsession > with US 211/Thornton Gap... It's wiiiide, has a smooth paved surface (usually in good condition) and has two lanes up. The road is an absolute joy to ride - some of the best linked tight sweepers that I have ever seen anywhere. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 19 21:50:17 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:50:02 -0500 (EST) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 211 obsession, was RE: Rider Down On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Jeff Hughes wrote: > What Mike said... > > The two lanes going up in either direction on 211 mean there is no need > for any double-yellow passing - and it IS an absolute joy to ride. The > nature of the road (sweepers as opposed to tight, technical turns) > allows one get into a flow, a groove that is, for some of us, the elixer > of the sport. I've long considered it to be among the top five That hit the nail on the head. It is the groove. The turns that lead up, getting tighter and tighter until that first left hander. Just switching back and forth. I really enjoy the rhythm 211 provides. 33 is more challenging, and MUCH less forgiving. The dragon is nice, but there is just something about 211. Its also the gateway to other great roads in VA. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 07:55:09 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: 211 obsession, was RE: Rider Down Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 07:50:11 -0500 > In any event, at the risk of over-sterotyping folks, I > wouldn't expect _most_ the folks on this list to obsess over > 211 - the profile here is more commuter, long-mileage kind of > riding than pure sport riding. I'd smack you with my cane for saying that, if I could move quick enough... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 11:51:48 2004 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:53:32 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Jeff Hughes CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211 obsession > > >In any event, at the risk of over-sterotyping folks, I wouldn't expect >_most_ the folks on this list to obsess over 211 - the profile here is >more commuter, long-mileage kind of riding than pure sport riding. > >Jeff > > > I'd beg to differ on that one. I organized a ride a couple of years ago that included 211 and we had at least 40 bikes show up...it was a blast. I think there are probably more people on the list that are pure sport riding types than commuter types...just always seems that we get on topics that involve commuting stuff. :) 211 is a great road if you respect it AND your riding abilities. Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 11:53:26 2004 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:53:22 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Romney Cycles? Anyone have a phone number or address for the dealership in Romney, WV? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 12:01:44 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Laura Roach , Jeff Hughes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Commuting (Re: 211 obsession) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:01:50 -0500 While I have riden to work a couple times, I would have to say I would rather sit in my truck and "stop and go" than on my bike. I take 270 to 495 to Tysons/Veinnea so for me the commute is just no fun on a bike (at least the truck has Sirus Radio). I can take HOV but really I am just scared to death someone is gonna cut in front of me on HOV and kill me. People love to pull into fast moving traffic from a stopped/slow lane in DC. I might try going through Point of Rocks and RT15 to VA7 to Viennab but I have a feeling that VA7 is gonna be a pain in da butt in the morning. Anyone here commute over whites ferry? Rob On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:53:32 -0500, Laura Roach wrote > > > > > >In any event, at the risk of over-sterotyping folks, I wouldn't expect > >_most_ the folks on this list to obsess over 211 - the profile here is > >more commuter, long-mileage kind of riding than pure sport riding. > > > >Jeff > > > > > > > I'd beg to differ on that one. I organized a ride a couple of years > ago that included 211 and we had at least 40 bikes show up...it was > a blast. I think there are probably more people on the list that > are pure sport riding types than commuter types...just always seems > that we get on topics that involve commuting stuff. :) > > 211 is a great road if you respect it AND your riding abilities. > > Laura -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 12:12:39 2004 Subject: RE: Romney Cycles? Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:12:31 -0500 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" This one: ? Romney Cycle Ctr Address: Route 50 E, Romney, WV 26757 Phone: (304) 822-3933 Brian -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:53 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Romney Cycles? Anyone have a phone number or address for the dealership in Romney, WV? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 12:16:06 2004 Subject: Commuting to NVA from MD Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:15:49 -0500 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "DC-Cycles" Rob, I commute from Germantown via i270 - 495 to Tyson's. I love riding the bike because the HOV normally pays off - coming and going. I keep a very keen eye to cagers. They love to dart in and out of the HOV lane. I tried the ferry a few times but found the commute added an hour or so to an already long commute! Brian R. 99 VFR -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 12:02 PM To: Laura Roach; Jeff Hughes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Commuting (Re: 211 obsession) While I have riden to work a couple times, I would have to say I would rather sit in my truck and "stop and go" than on my bike. I take 270 to 495 to Tysons/Veinnea so for me the commute is just no fun on a bike (at least the truck has Sirus Radio). I can take HOV but really I am just scared to death someone is gonna cut in front of me on HOV and kill me. People love to pull into fast moving traffic from a stopped/slow lane in DC. I might try going through Point of Rocks and RT15 to VA7 to Viennab but I have a feeling that VA7 is gonna be a pain in da butt in the morning. Anyone here commute over whites ferry? Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 12:16:13 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC Commuting Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:03:57 -0500 Up in Conn there was a lane between the HOV lane and the rest of traffic. I can't remember if the HOV lane was the "shoulder". Having a lane to speed up/slow down in is a great idea though. >From: "Rob Sharp" >To: Laura Roach , Jeff Hughes > >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: DC Commuting (Re: 211 obsession) >Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:01:50 -0500 > I can take HOV but really I am just scared to death >someone is gonna cut in front of me on HOV and kill me. People love to >pull >into fast moving traffic from a stopped/slow lane in DC. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 18:35:29 2004 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: 211 (Revisited) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, I wanna thank whoever started that rumor earlier this week about gravel on 211, and also to others chiming in on how there's too many squids etc. Due to the subsequent (coincidental?) absence of moto-traffic, 211 rocked today! Climbing west, we encountered maybe three cagers and one ST1300 - all of them safely passed. Heading down, there was no one in front at all so maximum safe speeds were attainable :) After a jaunt down 675-678-619 to F.R., I parted company to do the same route back and then I noticed on the west side of the mountains as you climb, there were indeed some repair patches along the right lane, but nothing to alter one's line. (I _think_ these were pretty new.. but I could be wrong :) As luck would have it, there was no one in front of me this time either, climbing or descending (east). So, please everyone... stay away from 211! It's a terrible road :) JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 23:24:53 2004 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:24:42 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: 211/Motorcycle Accident Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I just heard that a classmate of mine from elementary school was killed in a motorcycle accident in Fauquier County last Sunday, March 14. http://www.legacy.com/WashingtonPost/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=2030135 I'm wondering if this could have been on 211. Does anyone have any more information about this? Although I haven't seen Chandran in several years, I knew him at such a young age that his death is difficult for me to comprehend. He is the first person from my elementary school class to have died. I've met a couple people over the years on LA area sportbike rides who eventually were killed on their bikes, but this incident really hits home in a way that the others didn't. Godspeed, Chandran. Adam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 23:51:00 2004 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:49:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: 211/Motorcycle Accident Question At 11:24 PM 3/20/2004, Adam Reinhardt wrote: >I'm wondering if this could have been on 211. Does >anyone have any more information about this? http://www.dcsportbikes.net/ has an article on the front page and some discussion. His father worked with my wife at George Mason Univerisity, and his funeral was Thursday or Friday of last week. There has been a great deal of discussion about the accident on this list, which you can find in the archives on dccycles.com. See you all at circles tomorrow. I'm bringing Rhonda to watch :-) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 20 23:56:22 2004 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:54:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: More on 211 From the dcsportbikes.net article posting : As soon as favorable weather arrives, Rappahannock County is a target for pleasure-riding motorcyclists, Sheriff Larry Sherertz said in an interview. The beautiful scenery, smooth roads and twisting turns challenge motorcycle riders, he said."These are no motorcycle gangs, by and large" he said, but recreation riders. Nevertheless o)B­n several stretches, the Route 211 and Fodderstack Road twists and turns can be dangerous mixed with speed.Settle said that often when the motorcyclists are not seriously injured by the accident, they simply get o)B­n the bike and ride off, before the police come. Others, he said, have a truck with them that picks up the damaged bike and possibly an injured rider.Sherertz said that motorcycle groups advertise Rappahannock o)B­n the internet and Shenandoah National Park and the Thornton Gap are popular destinations. He said he'd heard of o)B­ne web page o)B­n which the riders listed the speed which they could go up the mountain to Thornton Gap.Local residents have complained about the groups of motorcycles roaring down the road and the danger of the speed, but Sherertz said o)B­n some roads it is hard to control.Police must clock a specific motorcycle, pull the rider over and issue a ticket. o)B­n the narrow roads, Sherertz said it is hard to place a police car to clock speeders. If they use o)B­ne car to spot the speeder and another car to catch him and issue a ticket, the arresting officer has to pick a particular motorcyclist out of a group by description.Last year, Sherertz said he attended a meeting with the State Police, Shenandoah Park authorities, the Virginia Department of Transportation and the Page County Sheriff's Office o)B­n how to deal with motorcycle speeding. Proposals ranged from building speed bumps before dangerous curves o)B­n the 211 West approaches to the park to hiding radar teams in the woods and calling ahead to police cars to pull over and ticket the speeders.Sherertz said that he hoped some of the plans would go forward this year, but budget restraints and manpower shortages are significant. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 21 00:16:56 2004 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:16:47 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: More on 211 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > to deal with motorcycle speeding. Proposals ranged from building > speed > bumps before dangerous curves o)B­n the 211 West approaches to the par I don't see how speed bumps would do a whole lot. Squids can't ride a curve anyway. They tiptoe around it and then achieve ballistic speeds on the straight-aways before dropping anchor again. I'd put officers in unmarked cars (and not the readily spotted variety) simply driving up and down the mountain and running a video camera of the bikers blasting by them at over 55mph and have officers at the top of the mountain pulling over every sportbike. You could enlist the park police for bodies, too. 5 or 6 men should do it. Keep it up for 4 or 5 weeks and issue citations in the hundreds and you'd quickly take the attraction out of the road. For a while. Me, I ride 619, 610, 620 and a variety of 2-lane roads with no shoulder, surface surprises (nasty pot-holes in particular) and unpleasant get-off consequences at a steady but unhurried pace. Somehow my trip to get $4 worth of carb-ralated screws turned into a 150mi jaunt thru Spotsylvania, Faquaire, and PrinceWilliam counties. Saw maybe 5 bikes (all non-sportbike) and light traffic except when in Woodbridge. The people who think 211 is so great haven't bothered to explore their own backyards. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 21 01:43:05 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 211/Motorcycle Accident Question Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:42:49 -0500 Chandran was also known as Sean. His funeral was last Wed. >From: Adam Reinhardt >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: 211/Motorcycle Accident Question >Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:24:42 -0800 (PST) > > >I just heard that a classmate of mine from elementary >school was killed in a motorcycle accident in Fauquier >County last Sunday, March 14. >http://www.legacy.com/WashingtonPost/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=2030135 > >I'm wondering if this could have been on 211. Does >anyone have any more information about this? > >Although I haven't seen Chandran in several years, I >knew him at such a young age that his death is >difficult for me to comprehend. He is the first >person from my elementary school class to have died. > >I've met a couple people over the years on LA area >sportbike rides who eventually were killed on their >bikes, but this incident really hits home in a way >that the others didn't. > >Godspeed, Chandran. > >Adam > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 21 09:18:31 2004 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:18:18 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: 211 (Revisited) To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I know who started it, so I will pass along your gratitude. Unfortunately you just let the cat out of the bag and next weekend will be shot. --- John Kozyn wrote: > Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, > > I wanna thank whoever started that rumor earlier > this week about gravel > on 211, and also to others chiming in on how there's > too many squids > etc. Due to the subsequent (coincidental?) absence > of moto-traffic, 211 > rocked today! > > Climbing west, we encountered maybe three cagers and > one ST1300 - all > of them safely passed. Heading down, there was no > one in front at all > so maximum safe speeds were attainable :) > > After a jaunt down 675-678-619 to F.R., I parted > company to do the same > route back and then I noticed on the west side of > the mountains as you > climb, there were indeed some repair patches along > the right lane, but > nothing to alter one's line. (I _think_ these were > pretty new.. but I > could be wrong :) > > As luck would have it, there was no one in front of > me this time > either, climbing or descending (east). > > So, please everyone... stay away from 211! It's a > terrible road :) > > JK (D-mode) > 1999 900SS > 1995 VFR750F > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on > time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 21 09:21:49 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: More on 211 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:21:39 -0500 > running a video camera of the bikers blasting by them at over > 55mph and have officers at the top of the mountain pulling 55 isn't bad for that road. I'm surprised that it isn't posted at 45 or even 35. I like to run the road so I maintain a constant speed/rhythym - a little light throttle on the exits and a little light braking on the entrances (just enough to set the suspension) and it's the next best thing to carving linked turns down the fall line in some fresh powder. Of course, when I used to ski, I maintained that carving linked turns was the next best thing to a twisty road on a motorcycle. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 21 13:12:03 2004 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:10:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Circle winds I had planned on going to circles this afternoon, but the winds are discouraging. I just got back from a ride, and the gusts were really throwing me off of any line. Even worse at a standstill. Weatherbug says it is gusting to 30 and getting worse (to 45). Have fun at circles, I'm staying in. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 21 19:24:27 2004 Subject: RE: Circle winds Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:24:16 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Troutman" , I just got back from Dupont Circle area, and the ride out on Rt. 50 was pretty tense. Weird to lean against the wind, and extremely disconcerting when the wind shifts... Stay safe out there. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 1:10 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Circle winds I had planned on going to circles this afternoon, but the winds are discouraging. I just got back from a ride, and the gusts were really throwing me off of any line. Even worse at a standstill. Weatherbug says it is gusting to 30 and getting worse (to 45). Have fun at circles, I'm staying in. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 21 20:05:25 2004 From: "W.S." To: Subject: 6th Sense Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:05:04 -0500 From: Bob McKeithen .snip Suddenly, even though the driver was slowing, I absolutely knew beyond any doubt that he/she was not going to stop. It had nothing to do with closure rate or the rate at which the driver was slowing. I simply KNEW he/she was not going to stop. .snip Vehicle Body Language. Like knowing that when the lady smiles one way, her next motion will be a slight dip of the head. When the car approaches, if the front end doesn't dip (or one doesn't see a driver -- !!! ) danger bells go off. My father, rest his soul, told me early on to watch front wheels as giveways to a turn/lane shift and it's surely saved my life a few times. Driver's head/eye movements also. These subtle signals become second nature to us. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Earth language: If the road moves, I sense an earthquake. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 21 21:12:10 2004 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:11:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Circle winds Troutman wrote: > I had planned on going to circles this afternoon, but the winds are > discouraging. I just got back from a ride, and the gusts were really > throwing me off of any line. Even worse at a standstill. > > Weatherbug says it is gusting to 30 and getting worse (to 45). Have fun > at circles, I'm staying in. Yeah, it was a bit breezy out there. That didn't stop a few of us more intrepid (or was it stoopid?) riders from showing up. Always a good time, even if the weather doesn't fully cooperate. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 08:53:38 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:53:31 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "list-potomacvintageriders@XXXXXX" CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Bikes for a good home... I don't know anything about these bike, just passing it along ... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: McRdrcr@XXXXXX Reply-To: dcoffroad@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:19:42 EST ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- Well, It's finally spring and I want to get a jump on some spring cleaning and need to make some space in the garage so somewhat reluctantly I'm putting up for sale some of my units that are just collecting dust.... Pre Ebay offerings.... 1982 Yamaha RX50, This is a street legal 50cc two stroke custom style bike. I has exactly the same engine as the YSR50. This has really low mileage and is ready to ride. It is from the Yamaha era of the black and gold midnight specials. This has a clear Delaware title and is perfect for around town cruising, especially for someone who not very tall as it has a low seat height and very lightweight. A great pit bike or a bike to put on the back of your camper. This bike is turn key and in very good shape, not perfect, but very solid and fun to ride. Perfect for a new rider to learn on. I can email photos to anyone interested. Asking price prior to ebay for this classic...$595 1974 SL100 Honda This is in good condition and runs good. There's enough of the original bike that it would be a relatively easy restoration, if that's your goal, or just ride it as is and enjoy it. I bought it for my wife to learn to ride on and she was less than amused telling me I thought that was what the TW200 was for. A great starter for a young trail rider...Pre ebay...$400 1988 Kawasaki EX500 (Ninja 500). I bought this from the secretary at work to commute on two years ago when I wrote books for Chilton's Auto repair manuals. Well, Chilton's sold the consumer line to Haynes and the bike has been sitting in the garage. It's been fully serviced, valve adjustment, carb sync, mild carb rejetting and ready to go and has new tires. It's a surprisingly fast sport bike for a 500 and handles great, but I find myself aboard my BMW R100 most of the time. This bike is really clean, all original pearl white with black stripes, has 12,000 miles and is a blast to ride. It's a reluctant sale, but I just don't ride it...it's ready to go...pre ebay...$1,600. Will consider trades toward a Moto Guzzi 850 T3. I'm looking for one of those if anyone knows of one...any condition considered. Feel free to email (MCRDRCR@XXXXXX) with any questions...thanks....Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 09:08:50 2004 Subject: RE: DC Commuting From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 22 Mar 2004 09:05:22 -0500 On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 12:03, rich hall wrote: > Up in Conn there was a lane between the HOV lane and the rest of traffic. I > can't remember if the HOV lane was the "shoulder". Having a lane to speed > up/slow down in is a great idea though. > Yea, and on Long Island they have painted islands with entrance and exit lanes. It's marked that crossing the "islands" is a hefty fine. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 09:27:46 2004 Subject: Re: Circle winds From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 22 Mar 2004 09:24:17 -0500 On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 21:11, Dale Horstman wrote: > Troutman wrote: > > > I had planned on going to circles this afternoon, but the winds are > > discouraging. I just got back from a ride, and the gusts were really > > throwing me off of any line. Even worse at a standstill. > > > > Weatherbug says it is gusting to 30 and getting worse (to 45). Have fun > > at circles, I'm staying in. > > Yeah, it was a bit breezy out there. That didn't stop > a few of us more intrepid (or was it stoopid?) riders > from showing up. Always a good time, even if the weather > doesn't fully cooperate. And it was good to meet some of you that I hadn't met IRL. Andrew and Dale for the first time, Leon (of course), Michael and Jon were there. There were a couple of other folks there the two times I came by (working on the house all weekend[0]). My first run through the circles on the Harley was timed at 42 seconds. Each subsequent one was a second better until I reached 39 seconds. Leon hopped on and, with just a little warm up, ran a better time (35 or 36 seconds). I can usually drag the right side through turns and did it with no problem yesterday, but I haven't been able to get the left side to touch down. Leon got on and touched down several times (it doesn't take much). On my way out, I was able to touch the left side down. > > Horkster Carl [0] The 'buyer' who put a contract on the house, and we ratified, decided he didn't want the house after all. Unfortunately for him, I have a contract. The other contracts are gone and traffic this weekend was half of last weekend. He's a realtor too which makes it even weirder. He says there's no central AC in the house (true; never said otherwise) and his child needs central air. You'd think that if you have environmental concerns, you'd have your full attention on whether the house had central air or not. We're calling a lawyer today for advise. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 09:55:42 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Circle winds Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:58:26 -0500 You missed out on a good time. Thanks Leon! --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 1:10 PM Subject: Circle winds > I had planned on going to circles this afternoon, but the winds are > discouraging. I just got back from a ride, and the gusts were really > throwing me off of any line. Even worse at a standstill. > > Weatherbug says it is gusting to 30 and getting worse (to 45). Have fun at > circles, I'm staying in. > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ > NMA - http://www.motorists.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 10:06:56 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Circle winds To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Leon - Thanks for putting this on. I had a good time as well. I can tell I need to spend a lot more time practicing low-speed exercises. The wind *did* make the exercises a bit more interesting, and the same for the ride both to & from Woodbridge. It was also nice to put some faces to the names on the list. Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 10:52:24 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:53:02 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Circle winds At 09:24 AM 3/22/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >My first run through the circles on the Harley was timed at 42 seconds. >Each subsequent one was a second better until I reached 39 seconds. Leon >hopped on and, with just a little warm up, ran a better time (35 or 36 >seconds). Leon wasn't as worried about scratching the bike as you were. :^) I was going to try to make it, but after a 236 mile ride Saturday I had to get some things done at home. Can't go riding *both* days of a weekend if you own a house... :^) >[0] The 'buyer' who put a contract on the house, and we ratified, >decided he didn't want the house after all. Unfortunately for him, I >have a contract. >house had central air or not. We're calling a lawyer today for advise. Check the contract for escape clauses. A lot of them have various contingencies and ways to get out of them for various costs. I had a buyer back out of a contract once because the house was in a flood zone (100 year flood). That was something I'd told them when they were first viewing the house and noted the woods and stream out front. They lost their deposit (several thousand), and I had to find another buyer (which happened a few weeks later). Good luck! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 11:53:44 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:53:07 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: DC Commuting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Yea, and on Long Island they have painted islands with entrance and > exit > lanes. It's marked that crossing the "islands" is a hefty fine. I would have settled for a cruiser this morning. Dip tag TL0219 decided he was just so much better than the citizens or the laws in which he's a guest and went from main-395 to HOV thru a gap in the ARMCO. Since his mommy-van couldn't make the turn without poking his snout well into 70+mph HOV traffic, naturally a panic stop ensued. And then later on he had the nerve to try to fly past me and try to make an impossible end-run whereupon I gave him a solid blast on the horn (I wish I had an air-horn on these occassions). Thing is, regardless of whether or not he's allowed on HOV or not if he would have bothered to switch lanes to the right while in the main lanes he could have gotten on HOV at the Edsal road entrance just 100 yards ahead of where he was. Got enough of a look at him to peg him as Middle-eastern or possibly African. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 12:35:35 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:35:33 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Huzzah! DL 650. Just put a $200 deposit down for a black Suzuki DL 650 at Romney Cycles in WV. They had a blue one in stock, but hopefully they can get a black one in by this weekend. Out the door cost comes to $5525, including dock fee and temp tag. Oh, be still my beating heart. *bounce* *bounce* Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 12:38:12 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:55:03 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Huzzah! DL 650. On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Fish Flowers wrote: > Just put a $200 deposit down for a black Suzuki DL 650 at Romney Cycles in > WV. They had a blue one in stock, but hopefully they can get a black one > in by this weekend. > > Out the door cost comes to $5525, including dock fee and temp tag. Oh, be > still my beating heart. Congrats! Enjoy the new ride! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 12:40:42 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:40:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Undiplomatic driving, was RE: DC Commuting -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Yea, and on Long Island they have painted islands with entrance and > exit > lanes. It's marked that crossing the "islands" is a hefty fine. I would have settled for a cruiser this morning. Dip tag TL0219 decided he was just so much better than the citizens or the laws in which he's a guest and went from main-395 to HOV thru a gap in the ARMCO. .... --------------- For those in the know, does writing up a formal complaint to the State Dept result in a nasty-gram, er, polite letter, going out to the embassy involved? Perhaps the embassies involved would counsel their staff to keep a lower profile and not antagonize the locals. Matt is correct that these folks are "guests" here in this country, at the sufferance of the Dept. of State. I don't expect the guests in my house to behave obnoxiously, or they won't be guests for very long. :) I think it would take a pretty heinous traffic offense, like killing someone (as it was in the case of the drunk from Georgia, the former Soviet republic, not Jaw-juh the state) to result in being given the boot. Paul, DC, 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 12:46:25 2004 Subject: RE: Huzzah! DL 650. Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:46:15 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Congratulations! Personally, I like the black bodywork the best, and you sure can't beat the price! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:36 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Huzzah! DL 650. Just put a $200 deposit down for a black Suzuki DL 650 at Romney Cycles in WV. They had a blue one in stock, but hopefully they can get a black one in by this weekend. Out the door cost comes to $5525, including dock fee and temp tag. Oh, be still my beating heart. *bounce* *bounce* Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 13:00:04 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:59:52 -0500 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al X-AOL-IP: 128.164.159.60 i use my r6 for the track and to tour... on a nice weekend i'll rack up 400+ miles. on my longest ride last year i did 750 miles in one day. but an average all day ride we rack 350 miles in one day. -mark In a message dated 3/19/2004 7:38:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > --- rich hall wrote: > > I'm confused as to what the avg is? > > I think this list is older than the DCSportbikes.com > > crowd. They do a lot > > of riding over there. Think the avg guy over there rides > > more than the avg > > guy over here. I personally don't have the time to give > > up to go riding all > > day Sat, there's other stuff I need/rather do. Those > > guys seem to be able > > to do it every weekend. Don't get a lot of reports of > > that here. I'm sure > > it happens though. > > give us some numbers. there are plenty of enthusiasts on > this list. > > i would add that, imo, the members here have over time > decided that there may be no need for ride reports when > nobody crashes or is arrested. > > > > > > > >From: Brian Roach > > >To: DC Cycles > > >Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc > > Japanese sportbike in > > >gener al > > >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:18:01 -0500 > > > > > I can also add that this list doesn't reflect what I > > consider to be > > "average" riders. DC Sportbike is much closer. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 13:20:11 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:19:52 -0500 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: julian@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shifting on the R6 X-AOL-IP: 128.164.159.60 why in the world would you want to shift at 800-1k? shift that bad boy at 15,500 rpms!!! :) j/k don't short shift the bike. i would shift at 6k or higher when riding on the streets. when moving from 1 to second gear give it a bit of force up wards. -mark In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:27:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > > > > It happens once in awhile that I shift from 1st to 2nd or from 2nd to > 1st at the r6's midrange of say 8-1k rpms and the gear does not change > or I get thrown into neutral. With the clutch firmly pressed down, I try > and shift again and I get a clacking sound that makes me feel like the > clutch is not engaged and I am grinding a gear somehow. > > To remedy this I have to slow down, let go of the clutch, > re-engage the > clutch and shift > > - am I doing damage to my bike > - is this something I need to be concerned about > > Thanks all -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 13:23:30 2004 Subject: RE: Shifting on the R6 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:23:22 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: , , Could have meant "8-10k rpms"... Easy to drop the zero, and makes more sense that way. ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: STmaven@XXXXXX [mailto:STmaven@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:20 PM To: julian@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shifting on the R6 why in the world would you want to shift at 800-1k? shift that bad boy at 15,500 rpms!!! :) j/k don't short shift the bike. i would shift at 6k or higher when riding on the streets. when moving from 1 to second gear give it a bit of force up wards. -mark In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:27:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > > > > It happens once in awhile that I shift from 1st to 2nd or from 2nd to > 1st at the r6's midrange of say 8-1k rpms and the gear does not change > or I get thrown into neutral. With the clutch firmly pressed down, I try > and shift again and I get a clacking sound that makes me feel like the > clutch is not engaged and I am grinding a gear somehow. > > To remedy this I have to slow down, let go of the clutch, > re-engage the > clutch and shift > > - am I doing damage to my bike > - is this something I need to be concerned about > > Thanks all -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 13:46:33 2004 Subject: RE: Shifting on the R6 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:51:32 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Verde, Robert" , , I did mean 8-10k, my bad. ST- met you briefly yesterday -----Original Message----- From: Verde, Robert [mailto:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:23 PM To: STmaven@XXXXXX; Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Shifting on the R6 Could have meant "8-10k rpms"... Easy to drop the zero, and makes more sense that way. ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: STmaven@XXXXXX [mailto:STmaven@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:20 PM To: julian@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shifting on the R6 why in the world would you want to shift at 800-1k? shift that bad boy at 15,500 rpms!!! :) j/k don't short shift the bike. i would shift at 6k or higher when riding on the streets. when moving from 1 to second gear give it a bit of force up wards. -mark In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:27:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > > > > It happens once in awhile that I shift from 1st to 2nd or from 2nd to > 1st at the r6's midrange of say 8-1k rpms and the gear does not change > or I get thrown into neutral. With the clutch firmly pressed down, I > try and shift again and I get a clacking sound that makes me feel like > the clutch is not engaged and I am grinding a gear somehow. > > To remedy this I have to slow down, let go of the clutch, re-engage > the clutch and shift > > - am I doing damage to my bike > - is this something I need to be concerned about > > Thanks all -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 13:56:38 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:56:19 -0500 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shifting on the R6 X-AOL-IP: 128.164.159.60 i'm glad you made out on such a cold day. :) now back to the topic at hand... for years now the R6's have had clunky trannies. just make sure to change your oil often, i change my oil every 2,500 miles. every now and then when i'm too lazy to give the shifter a good yank from 1 to second, it sounds like i'm breaking glass or something. for more info check www.r6messagenet.com In a message dated 3/22/2004 1:51:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > > > I did mean 8-10k, my bad. > ST- met you briefly yesterday > > -----Original Message----- > From: Verde, Robert [mailto:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:23 PM > To: STmaven@XXXXXX; Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Shifting on the R6 > > Could have meant "8-10k rpms"... Easy to drop the zero, and makes more > sense that way. > > ;-) > > Robert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: STmaven@XXXXXX [mailto:STmaven@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:20 PM > To: julian@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Shifting on the R6 > > > why in the world would you want to shift at 800-1k? shift that bad boy > at 15,500 rpms!!! :) j/k don't short shift the bike. i would shift at > 6k or higher when riding on the streets. when moving from 1 to second > gear give it a bit of force up wards. > > -mark > > > In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:27:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, > julian@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > It happens once in awhile that I shift from 1st to 2nd or from 2nd to > > 1st at the r6's midrange of say 8-1k rpms and the gear does not change > > > or I get thrown into neutral. With the clutch firmly pressed down, I > > try and shift again and I get a clacking sound that makes me feel like > > > the clutch is not engaged and I am grinding a gear somehow. > > > > To remedy this I have to slow down, let go of the clutch, > re-engage > > the clutch and shift > > > > - am I doing damage to my bike > > - is this something I need to be concerned about > > > > Thanks all > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 14:01:11 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Huzzah! DL 650. Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:59:07 -0500 > Just put a $200 deposit down for a black Suzuki DL 650 at Romney Cycles in Congrats - black is my second favorite color for the 'Stroms (yellow leads). Welcome to the club and check out vstrom2 on Yahoo Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 14:12:12 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Huzzah! DL 650. Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:12:19 -0500 To: DC-Cycles Good job, good deal, congrats! On Mar 22, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Fish Flowers wrote: > Just put a $200 deposit down for a black Suzuki DL 650 at Romney > Cycles in > WV. They had a blue one in stock, but hopefully they can get a black > one > in by this weekend. > > Out the door cost comes to $5525, including dock fee and temp tag. Oh, > be > still my beating heart. > > *bounce* *bounce* > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 16:00:58 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:04:41 -0500 Subject: FS--1982 Magna 750, fair condition To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" For Sale: 1982 VF750C Magna. (V-45), 30,000 miles. Has: good dual-disk front brakes, hydraulic clutch, smooth water-cooled V-4 motor, low-maintenance shaft drive. All lights, switches, and instruments work. Adjustable (slides on rails) passenger backrest. Oil, clutch and brake fluids were changed last fall (antifreeze not changed). I rebuilt the carbs and front brakes, replaced the front master cylinder, all four turn signals, the radiator fan (used), and the sealed beam with a better H4 unit. The bike now starts easily and runs pretty well once it warms up, but I have not yet put on enough miles (about 150) to assess long-term reliability. Known problems: Needs new rear tire and I can't get the brake backing plate bolt off (necessary to change tire and lube drum brake cam), seat cover is in fair/poor condition, and one fork seal seeps a bit of oil, choke cable (non adjustable, of course) doesn't fully pull enrichener circuit, so I added a manual pull. Exhaust has developed a crack near or at the collector and will need to be replaced or repaired. Also, a while back, the starter motor would occasionally spin without engaging the engine (you just have to hit the starter button again), but that problem seems to have gone away by itself. Possible problems: the replacement fan motor works fine but does not move as freely as I think it should. It draws 5 amps. Anyhow, Kelley Blue Book (retail) as of 3/33/04 is $1475. Yours for $775/b.o. Pix available. NW DC. --garcia Note: this is NOT a good choice for a first bike: for most new riders there are too many things wrong with it, it's too hard to work on, and it)B’s too big. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 17:18:24 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:19:27 -0500 To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Huzzah! DL 650. At 09:35 AM 3/22/04 -0800, Fish Flowers wrote: >*bounce* *bounce* > >Fish. Wow, bouncing fish...what will they think of next? :-) Congratulations! 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No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 21:07:30 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Circle winds To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 09:24 AM 3/22/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >My first run through the circles on the Harley was timed at 42 seconds. > >Each subsequent one was a second better until I reached 39 seconds. > Leon > >hopped on and, with just a little warm up, ran a better time (35 or 36 > >seconds). > > Leon wasn't as worried about scratching the bike as you were. :^) Perhaps. I did tell him a couple of times that I'd be upset if he dropped it. He dragged a couple of times in the circles run. The last two times I ran through, I was going slow enough that I felt I had to put a foot down. > > I was going to try to make it, but after a 236 mile ride Saturday I had > to > get some things done at home. Can't go riding *both* days of a weekend > if > you own a house... :^) Can't go riding either day if you're selling one ;-) > > >[0] The 'buyer' who put a contract on the house, and we ratified, > >decided he didn't want the house after all. Unfortunately for him, I > >have a contract. > > >house had central air or not. We're calling a lawyer today for advise. > > Check the contract for escape clauses. A lot of them have various > contingencies and ways to get out of them for various costs. I had a > buyer > back out of a contract once because the house was in a flood zone (100 > year > flood). That was something I'd told them when they were first viewing > the > house and noted the woods and stream out front. They lost their deposit > (several thousand), and I had to find another buyer (which happened a > few > weeks later). > I don't expect a problem getting a contract. We apparently have one or two waiting now, but I don't think it'll be up to $260k or even above the asking price of $245k. It's just annoying that we had a couple 245's, a 247.5, two 250's, a 255 and his 260. We naturally picked his and he had even declined the home & radon inspection, appliance warranty and even took full responsibility for termites if found. And he's an agent. He should know better. And how can I maintain my Evil Overlord status if I don't impale him on a short blunt stake in my front yard as a warning to other realtors ;-) > Good luck! > Yea well. It'll work out. Everything does. And once it's a done deal, I'll continue on with no regrets. But man that was a new Mac 17" Powerbook! :-) > -- Mike B. > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 22 23:11:37 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:12:42 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Circle winds At 06:07 PM 3/22/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> Leon wasn't as worried about scratching the bike as you were. :^) > >Perhaps. I did tell him a couple of times that I'd be upset if he dropped >it. He dragged a couple of times in the circles run. The last two times I >ran through, I was going slow enough that I felt I had to put a foot down. I've dragged mine a couple of times, but not in a normal turn. Turn with dip in the road did it, with a passenger, and another time it was a turn onto a road with a deep gutter and a high crown...both in the first few hundred miles. I've got a better feel for how far I can lean it now. Heritage has the least leanability of any of the current Harleys...only 28 degrees. Leaning is not its strong suit. :-) On the other hand, the ride on Saturday was pretty gusty. Lots of folks in the group (about 30 bikes to start with...we lost one part way there...a custom chopper, not a Harley...something about the rear wheel) were getting blown all over the place, but the biggest problem I had was with the turbulence coming over the windshield...felt like someone slapping me on the sides of the helmet continuously for about 80 miles. Once we were headed across the wind, rather than directly into it, it wasn't so bad, and the ride back, with the wind behind us, was positively calm. Waugh H-D is a very nice place...very friendly, great selection of bikes and other stuff. Prices for maintenance are a lot lower than up here in the high rent district too (2500 mile service was just over $80, rather than $110 for instance). >took full responsibility for termites if found. And he's an agent. He >should know better. And how can I maintain my Evil Overlord status if I >don't impale him on a short blunt stake in my front yard as a warning to >other realtors ;-) I agree with you...impale the bastard if you can. Sounds like he just found himself a better deal, so he's screwing you. I'd make it as painful for him as possible, within reason. Is there some sort of realty board you can file a complaint with or something? Ethics violation if nothing else? I guess your lawyer will know that sort of thing. >Yea well. It'll work out. Everything does. And once it's a done deal, I'll >continue on with no regrets. But man that was a >new Mac 17" Powerbook! :-) Don't give up hope...you may get it yet. Did you get a deposit when he signed the contract? If not, why not??? If you did, keep it for your troubles and your lost opportunities with the buyers who were turned away. Speaking of which, why didn't your realtor get contingency contracts from them? Sounds like it was a hot deal day...they might have gone for it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 03:24:06 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:23:50 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Question on CLASS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm signed up for a session with CLASS this Friday at the Streets of Willow. Supposedly CLASS requires "brand new tires." I have fairly new Pirelli Supercorsas on my GS500 with less than 100 miles of street riding and half a track day on them. The tires are not very visibly worn. Anyone familiar with CLASS know how flexible (or anal) they are in tech? Heck if I bought new tires and mounted them, then rode to the track I'd have near 100miles on them. As it is, I'm trailering it up. Adam DC native living in LA 3.5 GS500s 1 Honda CBR600F 0.5 Honda Pacific Coast (anyone need parts?) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 07:16:39 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:16:30 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Life expectancy of an R6.....or 600cc Japanese sportbike in gener al To: STmaven@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > i use my r6 for the track and to tour... on a nice > weekend i'll rack up 400+ miles. on my longest ride last > year i did 750 miles in one day. but an average all day > ride we rack 350 miles in one day. sounds like your riding habits are similar to mine and the group i ride with (with the addition of a couple iba types). > In a message dated 3/19/2004 7:38:38 AM Eastern Standard > Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > --- rich hall wrote: > > > I'm confused as to what the avg is? > > > I think this list is older than the DCSportbikes.com > > > crowd. They do a lot > > > of riding over there. Think the avg guy over there > > > rides more than the avg > > > guy over here. I personally don't have the time to > > > give up to go riding all > > > day Sat, there's other stuff I need/rather do. Those > > > guys seem to be able > > > to do it every weekend. Don't get a lot of reports > > > of that here. I'm sure > > > it happens though. > > > > give us some numbers. there are plenty of enthusiasts > > on this list. > > > > i would add that, imo, the members here have over time > > decided that there may be no need for ride reports when > > nobody crashes or is arrested. ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com **This material is being sent by a law firm and is intended only for the addressee. Various legal protections including the attorney-client privilege can apply to this material and no consent is given to its being read or used by anyone other than the intended recipient. Any other use is unlawful. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 07:37:58 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:37:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Circle winds To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX did you complete a disclosure or disclaimer form? was there an inspection clause or other contingency in the contract? did he provide a deposit, i.e., is there an escrow agent holding some funds? are any of the other potential buyers still interested? just wondering. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > [0] The 'buyer' who put a contract on the house, and we > ratified, > decided he didn't want the house after all. Unfortunately > for him, I > have a contract. The other contracts are gone and traffic > this weekend > was half of last weekend. He's a realtor too which makes > it even > weirder. He says there's no central AC in the house > (true; never said > otherwise) and his child needs central air. You'd think > that if you have > environmental concerns, you'd have your full attention on > whether the > house had central air or not. We're calling a lawyer > today for advise. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 07:42:28 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:41:45 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Circle winds Carl Schelin wrote: > > And how can I maintain my Evil Overlord status if I >don't impale him on a short blunt stake in my front yard as a warning to >other realtors ;-) > > I'm gonna miss Carl. > Carl Tom de From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 08:35:29 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'garicao@XXXXXX'" Subject: FS--1982 Magna 750, fair condition Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:41:12 -0500 Garcia Offered: For Sale: 1982 VF750C Magna. (V-45), 30,000 miles. Has: good dual-disk front brakes, hydraulic clutch, smooth water-cooled V-4 motor, low-maintenance shaft drive. All lights, switches, and instruments work. Adjustable (slides on rails) passenger backrest. [Carl]: That back rest is a rare item. [GO]: Oil, clutch and brake fluids were changed last fall (antifreeze not changed). I rebuilt the carbs and front brakes, replaced the front master cylinder, all four turn signals, the radiator fan (used), and the sealed beam with a better H4 unit. The bike now starts easily and runs pretty well once it warms up, but I have not yet put on enough miles (about 150) to assess long-term reliability. [Carl]: The engine's weak spot is the cam oiling. And that's fixable with one of several oiling modifications - or - simply keep the rpms up. See [GO]: Known problems: Needs new rear tire [Carl]: The Bridgestone's are a favorite bias ply tire among the baby Magna owners. Or Dunlop 205s front and rear for radials. [GO]: and I can't get the brake backing plate bolt off (necessary to change tire and lube drum brake cam), [Carl]: Uh oh. another frozen bolt thread. If soaking, banging, and cussing haven't worked, it's time for the blue wrench. [GO]: seat cover is in fair/poor condition, [Carl]: Sergeant makes some nice covers for ~$60 or you can go cheap with a Whitney for ~$40. [GO]: and one fork seal seeps a bit of oil, [Carl]: IIRC $17 per fork kit at Dave Dodges (drp123@XXXXXX). If you think seized bolts are a problem wait until you have to dig out that internal snap ring. Otherwise new fork seals are pretty easy. Alternatively, some have simply tied a rag around the seal to catch the oil until they get "a round tuit". [GO]: choke cable (non adjustable, of course) doesn't fully pull enrichener circuit, so I added a manual pull. Exhaust has developed a crack near or at the collector and will need to be replaced or repaired. [Carl]: Something about the right outlet on the collector that causes it to rust faster than the left. It's fixable with an hour of grinding and press-fitting a piece of exhaust pipe with red copper Permatex. Used collectors go for ~$50. [GO]: Also, a while back, the starter motor would occasionally spin without engaging the engine (you just have to hit the starter button again), but that problem seems to have gone away by itself. Possible problems: the replacement fan motor works fine but does not move as freely as I think it should. It draws 5 amps. Anyhow, Kelley Blue Book (retail) as of 3/33/04 is $1475. Yours for $775/b.o. Pix available. NW DC. --garcia Note: this is NOT a good choice for a first bike: for most new riders there are too many things wrong with it, it's too hard to work on, and it's too big. [Carl]: Ah but it'd be a great excuse to join SabMag: There's several local members including a damn good wrench up in Olney and one in Centerville. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 08:54:14 2004 Subject: Re: Circle winds From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 23 Mar 2004 08:50:49 -0500 On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 07:41, Tom wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > > And how can I maintain my Evil Overlord status if I > >don't impale him on a short blunt stake in my front yard as a warning to > >other realtors ;-) > > > > > I'm gonna miss Carl. > Why? I'm not going anywhere. The internet is world wide (not WWW). I'll hang around here for a while I'm sure. Oh, and the reference is from the Horseclans books. > > Carl > > > Tom de > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 09:14:39 2004 Subject: Mostly off-topic house related (was: Re: Circle winds) From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 23 Mar 2004 09:11:15 -0500 On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 23:12, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 06:07 PM 3/22/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> Leon wasn't as worried about scratching the bike as you were. :^) > > > >Perhaps. I did tell him a couple of times that I'd be upset if he dropped > >it. He dragged a couple of times in the circles run. The last two times I > >ran through, I was going slow enough that I felt I had to put a foot down. > > I've dragged mine a couple of times, but not in a normal turn. Turn with > dip in the road did it, with a passenger, and another time it was a turn > onto a road with a deep gutter and a high crown...both in the first few > hundred miles. I've got a better feel for how far I can lean it now. > Heritage has the least leanability of any of the current Harleys...only 28 > degrees. Leaning is not its strong suit. :-) Mine's probably close to there. I have the heel rests which make the leanability much worse but the comfort level for long rides much better :-) > >took full responsibility for termites if found. And he's an agent. He > >should know better. And how can I maintain my Evil Overlord status if I > >don't impale him on a short blunt stake in my front yard as a warning to > >other realtors ;-) > > I agree with you...impale the bastard if you can. Sounds like he just > found himself a better deal, so he's screwing you. I'd make it as painful > for him as possible, within reason. Is there some sort of realty board you > can file a complaint with or something? Ethics violation if nothing else? > I guess your lawyer will know that sort of thing. > We're talking to our realtor tonight. I suspect she'll try to get us to release and go with another contract. > >Yea well. It'll work out. Everything does. And once it's a done deal, I'll > >continue on with no regrets. But man that was a > >new Mac 17" Powerbook! :-) > > Don't give up hope...you may get it yet. Did you get a deposit when he > signed the contract? If not, why not??? As I understand it, the check is held by the buyer's realtor. All the contracts were faxed to our realtors. Unfortunately the buyer is also a realtor which makes it a little harder. Plus he decided not to buy the next day, probably not enough time for the check to be delivered to our guys. I'll find out tonight whether our realtor got the check. > If you did, keep it for your > troubles and your lost opportunities with the buyers who were turned away. > Speaking of which, why didn't your realtor get contingency contracts from > them? Sounds like it was a hot deal day...they might have gone for it. > Frankly, she hasn't impressed us with her knowledge. She didn't know how to properly use the escalation clauses (she was trying to use his previous escalation clause for justification to use his highest clause; an ethics violation if not illegal). I'm not sure she would have thought of it since we had no clue that this guy was going to bail. He called twice the morning after he submitted his contract, escalated 4 times on paper and 2 times verbally. We were looking at his on Tuesday night and as our realtor was getting up, he called again and offered another 5k and then called her later that night offering another 2k. The next morning he submitted his next clause and then another one just before she came over which put it at 260k. The next person down at 255k had a contingency for selling their house. I think they had us paying the warranty fee (around $350). Another one had the realtor related to the person verifying their client's loan status. This guy had no contingencies and was taking the house as-is. Basically this guy made the pot so sweet that it was impossible not to pick his. We signed all the papers and our realtor submitted them to our title company for processing. My step-daughter works at the title company and the folks she's talked to have suggested having our realtor's license pulled as well as his and have provided a reference to their lawyer for advice. One realtor she spoke to has offered to take over our sale for free. Life's always interesting :-) > -- Mike B. > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 10:03:32 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:03:18 EST Subject: Re: Mostly off-topic house related (was: Re: Circle winds) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/23/2004 9:14:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > My step-daughter works at the title company and the folks she's talked > to have suggested having our realtor's license pulled as well as his My wife and I decided years ago that to get a realtors license candidates had to undergo an IQ test. If they passed they were not allowed to get a realtors license.... I would want to know what this guy was up to. Was he trying to sell something of his own and wanted yours off the market? It seems to me either he is a complete moron OR he is up to something. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 10:23:30 2004 Subject: Re: Mostly off-topic house related (was: Re: Circle winds) From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 23 Mar 2004 10:20:06 -0500 On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 10:03, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/2004 9:14:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > My step-daughter works at the title company and the folks she's talked > > to have suggested having our realtor's license pulled as well as his > > > My wife and I decided years ago that to get a realtors license candidates had > to undergo an IQ test. > If they passed they were not allowed to get a realtors license.... > > I would want to know what this guy was up to. Was he trying to sell something > of his own and wanted yours off the market? It seems to me either he is a > complete moron OR he is up to something. > Yea, we're there too. Later that day he contacted our realtor and asked that if we put in CAC (he said $18k), he'd buy at $260. He even said that we could pay part of the installation and he'd pay the rest. Of course, since we're paying him 7.8k because he's a realtor, he's really getting the house for $252.2. If we pay 9k (_his_ estimated half), that's down to $243.2k that he's paying for the house which is less than the price we're asking overall. We'd consider $250 but only if he doesn't get a commission. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 10:51:24 2004 Subject: Colorado crossover link From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 23 Mar 2004 10:47:56 -0500 Just passing on a dual-sport link that popped up on the Colorado list: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37261 Enjoy. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 10:54:33 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:54:25 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: anybody know LTLRKT? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Picked him up at Woodbridge I think it was on HOV northbound this morning. Riding a '03? GSXR1000. Shadowed him all the way to the Pentagon watching his suspension do a lousy job of handling the bumps. My speedo cable is dead so I don't know how fast we were going but I reckon it was clearly into the "I'll need a lawyer" territory. And he wasn't even trying. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 11:03:11 2004 Subject: Re: anybody know LTLRKT? From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 23 Mar 2004 10:59:47 -0500 On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 10:54, matthew patton wrote: > Picked him up at Woodbridge I think it was on HOV northbound this > morning. Riding a '03? GSXR1000. Shadowed him all the way to the > Pentagon watching his suspension do a lousy job of handling the bumps. > My speedo cable is dead so I don't know how fast we were going but I > reckon it was clearly into the "I'll need a lawyer" territory. And he > wasn't even trying. > Nah, but I did shadow someone on a silver scooter. He had a red jacket but black trousers, loafers, and possibly no socks or at least white socks. I never did get close enough. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 16:45:26 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: da waiting game Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:34:45 -0500 so quiet... or is my email account messed up? anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your bike to move out from a parking spot? as I walk to the bike, the cager would be like "woo hoo! are you leaving?" but I'll be like... 1. tie/load whatever I have with me on to the bike. 2. zip up the jacket 3. put on the helmet 4. put the gloves on 5. start the engine 6. sit on the bike 7. worm up the engine a little more... in my head I'm screaming "go park somewhere else, damn it!" does this happen to anybody else? --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 16:57:24 2004 Cc: dc-cycles From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: da waiting game Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:57:16 -0500 To: Shigeru Honda All the time. Also happens in my cage when I'm letting it warm up and setting up the FM transmitter on my iPod. Yes, I let the car's engine warm up a bit before I take off. On Mar 23, 2004, at 4:34 PM, Shigeru Honda wrote: > so quiet... or is my email account messed up? > > anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your bike to move out > from a > parking spot? > as I walk to the bike, the cager would be like "woo hoo! are you > leaving?" > but I'll be like... > 1. tie/load whatever I have with me on to the bike. > 2. zip up the jacket > 3. put on the helmet > 4. put the gloves on > 5. start the engine > 6. sit on the bike > 7. worm up the engine a little more... > in my head I'm screaming "go park somewhere else, damn it!" > > does this happen to anybody else? > > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 98 SuperHawk (Street) > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 17:31:55 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:31:47 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: da waiting game To: DCCycles > On Mar 23, 2004, at 4:34 PM, Shigeru Honda wrote: > anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your > bike to move out from a parking spot? Is there a reason not to just push the bike out of the spot and do all that loading up and dressing while standing behind the cage that was parked next to your bike? It lets the cage get the spot he is patiently waiting for and maybe (just maybe) he won't mind letting a motorcycle take up a whole damn parking spot next time. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 17:55:11 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: da waiting game Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:24:04 -0500 Gas station, they figure smaller tank, don't realize about the gear. >From: "Shigeru Honda" >To: "dc-cycles" >Subject: da waiting game >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:34:45 -0500 > >so quiet... or is my email account messed up? > >anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your bike to move out from a >parking spot? >as I walk to the bike, the cager would be like "woo hoo! are you leaving?" >but I'll be like... >1. tie/load whatever I have with me on to the bike. >2. zip up the jacket >3. put on the helmet >4. put the gloves on >5. start the engine >6. sit on the bike >7. worm up the engine a little more... >in my head I'm screaming "go park somewhere else, damn it!" > >does this happen to anybody else? > > >--------------------- >Shigeru Honda >98 SuperHawk (Street) >99 750 SS (Track #881) >02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) > _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms )B– all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 18:15:44 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: da waiting game Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:15:37 -0500 To: DCCycles I'd be happy to trade taking up a whole parking spot for the ability to legally park more creatively where there's room. On Mar 23, 2004, at 5:31 PM, Leon Begeman wrote: >> On Mar 23, 2004, at 4:34 PM, Shigeru Honda wrote: >> anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your >> bike to move out from a parking spot? > > Is there a reason not to just push the bike out of the > spot and do all that loading up and dressing while > standing behind the cage that was parked next to your > bike? It lets the cage get the spot he is patiently > waiting for and maybe (just maybe) he won't mind > letting a motorcycle take up a whole damn parking spot > next time. > > Leon. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 20:00:16 2004 From: "Jeff Hughes" To: Subject: RE: Question on CLASS Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:00:16 -0500 Adam asked: << I'm signed up for a session with CLASS this Friday at the Streets of Willow. Supposedly CLASS requires "brand new tires." I have fairly new Pirelli Supercorsas on my GS500 with less than 100 miles of street riding and half a track day on them. The tires are not very visibly worn. Anyone familiar with CLASS know how flexible (or anal) they are in tech? >> You're fine, Adam. They expect good tires without much mileage, but certainly realize that people - especially those who ride to the track - will have some. I've done many of Reg's schools with 500-odd miles on my tires. Enjoy the day! Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 20:25:25 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:25:06 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Leon Begeman CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: da waiting game Leon Begeman wrote: > It lets the cage get the spot he is patiently > waiting for and maybe (just maybe) he won't mind > letting a motorcycle take up a whole damn parking spot > next time. I still can't believe the one time I got bitched at for parking in one corner of a parking spot with my bike. I was still well within the spot, just clearly off to one side. This woman came out to her car parked next to me, and complained about how I had parked. After my initial confusion turned to amusement, I got a kick out of explaining to her that I was waiting for another rider, MY WIFE in fact (should have seen her when she realized women could actually ride their own machines all by themselves...) and was leaving room so we could share a spot, instead of taking up two of them. I think I mentally rocked her world that day. She had a whole new appreciation for us motorcyclists when I was done conversing with her. :) Hork, motorcycle ambassador to the stupid -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 20:26:19 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:26:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Stephen Miller CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: da waiting game Stephen Miller wrote: > I'd be happy to trade taking up a whole parking > spot for the ability to legally park more > creatively where there's room. Wurd. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 20:53:32 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: da waiting game To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- rich hall wrote: > Gas station, they figure smaller tank, don't realize about the gear. I stay geared up except for gloves. Then it's just 20 seconds or so to plug in the gloves and then the suit. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 21:00:16 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:00:11 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: da waiting game To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > On Mar 23, 2004, at 4:34 PM, Shigeru Honda wrote: > > anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your > > bike to move out from a parking spot? > > Is there a reason not to just push the bike out of the > spot and do all that loading up and dressing while > standing behind the cage that was parked next to your > bike? It lets the cage get the spot he is patiently > waiting for and maybe (just maybe) he won't mind > letting a motorcycle take up a whole damn parking spot > next time. > For me this usually occurs in the morning at 7/11. Moving it out would have it behind someone else who may be also be moving out 20 seconds later causing me to move again. It's just as easy to step it up and move on as it would be to move it a couple of times. At a store or something, I'm normally parked far away anyway, be it bike or car. I just can't justify driving around the lot looking for a close space and passing up all those perfectly good spaces, free from neighboring cars and taller vehicles (trucks, suv's, and minivans). I find myself walking all the way inside while the person who was behind me is still waiting on the spot close to the front I'm for making the entire front 10 or 20 percent of spaces for the handicapped or disabled or people with kids or the mentally diminished anyway. Make the rest of us lard-asses walk :-) > Leon. Not you, Leon :-) Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 23 22:10:19 2004 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:06:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Chain rivet tool needed My chain and sprockets finally arrived, and I need to borrow a rivet tool if anyone has one available. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 06:51:07 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:51:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Shigeru Honda , dc-cycles Subject: Re: da waiting game -----Original Message----- From: Shigeru Honda so quiet... or is my email account messed up? anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your bike to move out from a parking spot? as I walk to the bike, the cager would be like "woo hoo! are you leaving?" but I'll be like... 1. tie/load whatever I have with me on to the bike. 2. zip up the jacket 3. put on the helmet 4. put the gloves on 5. start the engine 6. sit on the bike 7. worm up the engine a little more... in my head I'm screaming "go park somewhere else, damn it!" does this happen to anybody else? ---------------------------- LOL. This happens all the time to me, since I park on the street. Gear on, cargo stowed, walkaround inspection, remove disk lock, get situated on the bike, fire it up. tic-toc-tic-toc. Then they realize the spot's too small. :) Paul, DC, 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 07:41:35 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Shigeru Honda'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: da waiting game Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:41:22 -0500 Or my favorite is to walk way past the bike to another isle then cut through to the bike. Oops sorry forgot were I parked. LOL... The whole time they're stuck on the other side and somebody else got the spot. -----Original Message----- From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:35 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: da waiting game so quiet... or is my email account messed up? anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your bike to move out from a parking spot? as I walk to the bike, the cager would be like "woo hoo! are you leaving?" but I'll be like... 1. tie/load whatever I have with me on to the bike. 2. zip up the jacket 3. put on the helmet 4. put the gloves on 5. start the engine 6. sit on the bike 7. worm up the engine a little more... in my head I'm screaming "go park somewhere else, damn it!" does this happen to anybody else? --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 07:54:43 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "dc-cycles" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:54:23 -0500 Subject: Re: da waiting game Yeesh, Art, you're the milk of human kindness -Sean Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > Or my favorite is to walk way past the bike to another isle then cut through > to the bike. Oops sorry forgot were I parked. LOL... The whole time they're > stuck on the other side and somebody else got the spot. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:35 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: da waiting game > > so quiet... or is my email account messed up? > > anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your bike to move out from a > parking spot? > as I walk to the bike, the cager would be like "woo hoo! are you leaving?" > but I'll be like... > 1. tie/load whatever I have with me on to the bike. > 2. zip up the jacket > 3. put on the helmet > 4. put the gloves on > 5. start the engine > 6. sit on the bike > 7. worm up the engine a little more... > in my head I'm screaming "go park somewhere else, damn it!" > > does this happen to anybody else? > > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 98 SuperHawk (Street) > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 08:18:14 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Sean Steele'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: da waiting game Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:18:06 -0500 LOL Only when there are tons of other spots open. Other wise I just park on the sidewalk.... j/k -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele [mailto:sean@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:54 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: da waiting game Yeesh, Art, you're the milk of human kindness -Sean Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > Or my favorite is to walk way past the bike to another isle then cut through > to the bike. Oops sorry forgot were I parked. LOL... The whole time they're > stuck on the other side and somebody else got the spot. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:35 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: da waiting game > > so quiet... or is my email account messed up? > > anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your bike to move out from a > parking spot? > as I walk to the bike, the cager would be like "woo hoo! are you leaving?" > but I'll be like... > 1. tie/load whatever I have with me on to the bike. > 2. zip up the jacket > 3. put on the helmet > 4. put the gloves on > 5. start the engine > 6. sit on the bike > 7. worm up the engine a little more... > in my head I'm screaming "go park somewhere else, damn it!" > > does this happen to anybody else? > > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 98 SuperHawk (Street) > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 08:33:58 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:33:13 -0500 From: Tom To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Large VTR tank on ebay... For those with a VTR, the need for long rides, and you have lots o' $$$ : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2469075206&category=35586 Happy bidding, Tom de '98 VTR... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 09:48:28 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:48:13 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: da waiting game X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Yep. All the time. I just let'em wait and take my time. I'm not about to just take off and then realize I forgot to do something or tie something down properly. If they want the spot so bad, they can wait. :-) Scooter In a message dated 3/23/2004 4:34:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, shonda3@XXXXXX writes: > > > so quiet... or is my email account messed up? > > anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your bike to move out from a > parking spot? > as I walk to the bike, the cager would be like "woo hoo! > are you leaving?" > but I'll be like... > 1. tie/load whatever I have with me on to the bike. > 2. zip up the jacket > 3. put on the helmet > 4. put the gloves on > 5. start the engine > 6. sit on the bike > 7. worm up the engine a little more... > in my head I'm screaming "go park somewhere else, damn it!" > > does this happen to anybody else? > > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 98 SuperHawk (Street) > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 14:38:13 2004 Subject: Off Topic: House From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 24 Mar 2004 14:34:47 -0500 Got a contract last night for $262k. Still not quite as good as the other guy but he's kicking back 2,500 from the 5,000 (we don't want to fight forever if we have a good contract). We'll be filing complaints with the appropriate agencies over this guy and the company he works for. Thanks to the guys who offered advice off-line and on. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 16:38:45 2004 Subject: Figures and a Heads Up Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:43:52 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Shigeru Honda" , "dc-cycles" Typical DC....sunshine while you work...and p*ss the moment it is quittin time. For all of you that head out to Coleman's or take the Falls Church metro entrance to the 66 be advised that there is a big ass pile of sand on the turnoff from Sycamore Street. So if you take the corner too fast and don't keep your line, you should end up right smack dab in the middle and it is not a place I would want to be. Got my summer jacket out of the way Mach 1 Field Sheer Mesh....129. Hoping for good weather and sunshine. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 17:08:18 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Figures and a Heads Up Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:58:07 -0500 Can't recall if this was on this list or the SV list, but it's about 1/2 the price. I'm not familiar w/ the jacket you bought, but wanted to point this out. Course you'd have to add a few dollars for shipping. http://www.newenough.com/gericke_venom_jacket_page.htm Gericke Venom Mesh Jacket * Maximum air flow ballistic poly mesh construction for warm weather * Fully lined with perforated nylon for comfort * Perforated EVA foam armor protection for elbows, back and shoulders * Safe-Stitch)B™ seams * 3M)B™ Scotchlite™ reflective piping for night safety * Zippered hand warmer pockets and one inside chest pocket * Adjustable arms, cuffs and side waist belts for a comfortable fit * 1-year limited warranty Shopper Help )B• Shipping Help • Terms Price: $139.95, Now $69 >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Shigeru Honda" , "dc-cycles" > >Subject: Figures and a Heads Up >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:43:52 -0500 > >Got my summer jacket out of the way Mach 1 Field Sheer Mesh....129. >Hoping for good weather and sunshine. _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 17:15:36 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Figures and a Heads Up Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:01:44 -0500 New Enough also has the JR Phoenix 2.0 in red or yellow for $65. >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Shigeru Honda" , "dc-cycles" > >Subject: Figures and a Heads Up >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:43:52 -0500 > > >Typical DC....sunshine while you work...and p*ss the moment it is >quittin time. For all of you that head out to Coleman's or take the >Falls Church metro entrance to the 66 be advised that there is a big ass >pile of sand on the turnoff from Sycamore Street. So if you take the >corner too fast and don't keep your line, you should end up right smack >dab in the middle and it is not a place I would want to be. > >Got my summer jacket out of the way Mach 1 Field Sheer Mesh....129. >Hoping for good weather and sunshine. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 18:27:07 2004 From: "lisagoddard" To: , "dccycles" Subject: cager waiting game Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:32:33 -0500 They can very well wait for me to suit up, then move the bike. I have little desire to sit there like a sitting duck in the middle of a busy parking aisle while finishing putting on my gear. Being somewhat vertically challenged I prefer to be fully suited up before I start trying to paddly my bike around a parking lot. Also, if I am waiting for a spot, either in my cage or on my bike, it is reasonable for me to wait for the cager to fasten their seat belt, I equate putting on a seat belt with putting on all of my gear. Also, if the stupid cagers would hang up and drive I wouldn't have nearly as much of a need to wear a mountain of gear. I would still wear it, but I would be wearing it to protect against my stupidity, not a cagers' profligacy. Lisa Goddard From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: da waiting game Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:15:37 -0500 To: DCCycles I'd be happy to trade taking up a whole parking spot for the ability to legally park more creatively where there's room. On Mar 23, 2004, at 5:31 PM, Leon Begeman wrote: >> On Mar 23, 2004, at 4:34 PM, Shigeru Honda wrote: >> anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your >> bike to move out from a parking spot? > > Is there a reason not to just push the bike out of the > spot and do all that loading up and dressing while > standing behind the cage that was parked next to your > bike? It lets the cage get the spot he is patiently > waiting for and maybe (just maybe) he won't mind > letting a motorcycle take up a whole damn parking spot > next time. > > Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 20:12:23 2004 From: "lisagoddard" To: , , "dccycles" Subject: waiting for another rider, was da waiting game Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:17:29 -0500 [snip] This woman came out to her car parked next to me, and complained about how I had parked. After my initial confusion turned to amusement, I got a kick out of explaining to her that I was waiting for another rider, MY WIFE in fact (should have seen her when she realized women could actually ride their own machines all by themselves...) and was leaving room so we could share a spot, instead of taking up two of them. I think I mentally rocked her world that day. She had a whole new appreciation for us motorcyclists when I was done conversing with her. :) Hork, motorcycle ambassador to the stupid I can identify with that one: Man sees me locking up my gear after parking and comments on the bike, my old ZX6. I replied that I liked it and it was serving me well. Man comments/assumes "so, you bought this bike for your husband so you can ride around on the back?" I pointed to the tag that read "kawgrl" and asked him what he thought. A different time, in front of Home Depot: Man sees me dismount my bike and remove the helmet. Man says "Wow, you rode that here?" I replied with something like "No, my husband sets me up at the top of the parking lot on this and lets me coast it down in to a parking space all by myself!!!!" remember Mad magazine's column Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions...... I admit to being on the other end of it: I pulled over to help a woman sitting next to an 883 on the side of the road, obviously in need of assistance. I offered to go and get our trailer or to at least help her push it out of the road. After a conversation exploring options to get her and her bike back on the road or at least to a shop she says to me "Oh, it's my father's bike, I just ride around on the back, he hitched a ride to go and get his truck" I had assumed it was her bike...... Lisa Goddard '95 VFR, recently dusted off for the new commute. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 21:01:08 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:01:09 -0500 To: "lisagoddard" , , , "dccycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: waiting for another rider, was da waiting game At 08:17 PM 3/24/04 -0500, lisagoddard wrote: >Man sees me locking up my gear after parking and comments on the bike, my >old ZX6. I replied that I liked it and it was serving me well. Man >comments/assumes "so, you bought this bike for your husband so you can ride >around on the back?" >I pointed to the tag that read "kawgrl" and asked him what he thought. I wonder if his remark translates as "Hi! I'm a MCP, but I like your bike!" or "Gee, you're cute! Are you married?" Things are not always as they seem. But sometimes they are. :-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 24 21:26:58 2004 From: "W.S." To: Subject: Re: da waiting game Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:26:38 -0500 Dale Horstman authored: Leon Begeman wrote: > It lets the cage get the spot he is patiently waiting for and maybe > (just maybe) he won't mind letting a motorcycle take up a whole damn > parking spot next time. I still can't believe the one time I got bitched at for parking in one corner of a parking spot with my bike. I was still well within the spot, just clearly off to one side. This woman came out to her car parked next to me, and complained about how I had parked. After my initial confusion turned to amusement, I got a kick out of explaining to her that I was waiting for another rider, MY WIFE in fact (should have seen her when she realized women could actually ride their own machines all by themselves...) and was leaving room so we could share a spot, instead of taking up two of them. .snip And the opposite happened to me yesterday. Near Union Station (no spaces around), I pulled behind a l'lol'lady parking in a space of about 1-3/4 car lengths, my bike very able to slip in fore or aft. As she was finishing, I pulled up and asked if I could share and pay the meter. She gave a big smile, said fine and no thanks to the meter help. Done, and seemed to light her day. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Space rover Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 25 07:59:01 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'lisagoddard'" , freecat@XXXXXX, dccycles Subject: RE: cager waiting game Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:58:51 -0500 Very well said lisa. I have two kids and I always get funny looks cause it takes a while to buckle them in to their car seats, find a favorite toy that they dropped on the floor of the truck etc. etc. That's why I always just walk then I don't have to worry about some knuckle head dinging my truck or car. -----Original Message----- From: lisagoddard [mailto:lisagoddard@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:33 PM To: freecat@XXXXXX; dccycles Subject: cager waiting game They can very well wait for me to suit up, then move the bike. I have little desire to sit there like a sitting duck in the middle of a busy parking aisle while finishing putting on my gear. Being somewhat vertically challenged I prefer to be fully suited up before I start trying to paddly my bike around a parking lot. Also, if I am waiting for a spot, either in my cage or on my bike, it is reasonable for me to wait for the cager to fasten their seat belt, I equate putting on a seat belt with putting on all of my gear. Also, if the stupid cagers would hang up and drive I wouldn't have nearly as much of a need to wear a mountain of gear. I would still wear it, but I would be wearing it to protect against my stupidity, not a cagers' profligacy. Lisa Goddard From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: da waiting game Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:15:37 -0500 To: DCCycles I'd be happy to trade taking up a whole parking spot for the ability to legally park more creatively where there's room. On Mar 23, 2004, at 5:31 PM, Leon Begeman wrote: >> On Mar 23, 2004, at 4:34 PM, Shigeru Honda wrote: >> anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your >> bike to move out from a parking spot? > > Is there a reason not to just push the bike out of the > spot and do all that loading up and dressing while > standing behind the cage that was parked next to your > bike? It lets the cage get the spot he is patiently > waiting for and maybe (just maybe) he won't mind > letting a motorcycle take up a whole damn parking spot > next time. > > Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 25 10:43:37 2004 From: "customtankbags" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: FREE Pizza, BEER, SODAS, Give-aways Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:43:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.14.155.168] at Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:43:27 -0600 Yes, all that and more!!! My moving date fast approaches and Saturday is the day to load up the trailer with all my worldly possessions. Anyone who would like to help is kindly invited to my house at: 8290 Crestmont Circle Springfield, VA 22153 703-690-4763 no earlier than 10am. Come one! Come all! See me get 20 years worth of possessions into one trailer. Including, of course, three motorcycles (OB moto) and 2 cats. Worth the admission in entertainment value alone! Thanks, LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 25 13:51:34 2004 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:51:21 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FREE Pizza, BEER, SODAS, Give-aways X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Any other weekend and I would be happy to help. I have tons of moving experience. Moved two sisters (twice each) and at least a dozen friends. This weekend however, my oldest sister has requested my presence at her house with the old, "Whatcha doin this weekend?" Me, "What do you have PLANNED for me to do this weekend?" Needless to say, I'm booked. ;-) Good luck with the move though. Scooter In a message dated 3/25/2004 10:43:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, customtankbags@XXXXXX writes: > > > Yes, all that and more!!! > > My moving date fast approaches and Saturday is the day to load up the > trailer with all my worldly possessions. > > Anyone who would like to help is kindly invited to my house at: > > 8290 Crestmont Circle > Springfield, VA 22153 > 703-690-4763 > > no earlier than 10am. > > Come one! Come all! See me get 20 years worth of possessions into one > trailer. Including, of course, three motorcycles (OB moto) > and 2 cats. > Worth the admission in entertainment value alone! > > Thanks, > LindaT. > http://www.customtankbags.com > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 25 14:00:03 2004 Subject: Re: FREE Pizza, BEER, SODAS, Give-aways From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 25 Mar 2004 13:56:35 -0500 If you want to go that way, I have 42 moves and am working on 43 in my life (had to get a secret clearance once and just kept maintaining address lists). I might be able to come over, especially since it's going to be a nice day. We're packing and my SO will be going out of town for a week beginning next week (saying goodbye to her friends and family again while they're still relatively close) so I can't be definate. Don't be surprised if I show up though. Carl On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 13:51, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/25/2004 10:43:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, customtankbags@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Yes, all that and more!!! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 25 17:10:38 2004 Reply-To: "Patrick Carter" From: "Patrick Carter" To: Subject: Anyone have F4i parts??? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:10:10 -0500 I am looking for the whole tail section. Subframe, passenger rearsets, rear fairing, seats and what not. Thanks Pat From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 25 20:55:51 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Leon Begeman , DCCycles Subject: Re: da waiting game Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:56:04 -0500 Uh I am not going to try to push my bike while holding gear. All I can think of is: Dropped bike Dropped helmet Rob On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:31:47 -0800 (PST), Leon Begeman wrote > > On Mar 23, 2004, at 4:34 PM, Shigeru Honda wrote: > > anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your > > bike to move out from a parking spot? > > Is there a reason not to just push the bike out of the > spot and do all that loading up and dressing while > standing behind the cage that was parked next to your > bike? It lets the cage get the spot he is patiently > waiting for and maybe (just maybe) he won't mind > letting a motorcycle take up a whole damn parking spot > next time. > > Leon. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 25 21:17:30 2004 From: "W.S." To: Subject: Antiques Roadshow. And, regrets for Leon's Circles Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:17:09 -0500 Musings stirred by 60's temps and a pause in my action: Antiques Roadshow -- Item One In Coleman's noon Sat'y (just thought I'd drop in, having finished business at Bedo's leathers, with no idea it was "auction day" until I arrived -- God please heal DC snailmail.) Wearing the trusty red sun-bleached 'Stich, and just perusing gear, popcorn, in the midst of the crowds in line for this and that. Of course, it's the cruel season, and my garb is grimy from the winter's slop riding. Wanted to exit unnoticed unless by friends. So I'm on my way out (no. one) and a Coleman-patched fellow comes up and asks what I'm wearing, and I tell him it's an Aerostich. Lots of protection and easy entry/exit. And he says it looks like I've been riding for a while and I say a few years. (Right now I'm yearning for an on-the-spot walk-through dry cleaner, what with lots of spring-clean leathers walking around.) I pull a polite "excuse me" and head out the door. But I don't drive off, tires and the auction grabbing my interest. Look at the bikes, and decide to ask about bidder rules (no immediate intentions). Go back in to desk and chat a minute about legal stuff. Up comes Coleman-patch again, with Another, both with eyes wide open. Another asks "How many miles on that suit?" I say, assuming not under oath, "About 40,000." He says, "Wow." I say, "Yeah, it's a little faded and needs a wash and maybe a dye, but it gets the job done." He says, "What do you mean? It's more like a badge of honor. Bet there's a market for that." I say "Might be," starting to feel a possible hustle. I look for graceful exit no. two and make it. But in a quandary. Does a faded, grimy 'Stich score points over: a) a clean faded one, b) a (possibly) re-dyed, clean one, or c) a new one (with its newbie implications -- I have some pride)? (Note: Grime not a personally preferred option and just scrubbed away.) Item Two Guinness needs to know -- "Oldest Resurrected Battery Charger?" From storage, on a whim, a discovered Sears 6v/12v charger purchased in 1968 and dead from abt 1973-2004 gets new life from surgery and solder. Then -- more life to a winter-tired MC battery (watched carefully). And re: Leon's Circles. "Damn Those Winds" (hard for a windsurfer to say) on Sunday: Had to join the rebuffed ones. More this spring? Appreciative of LB's attentions. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Not faded, slightly grimy, newly charged, can run rings around whatever. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 25 22:56:52 2004 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:56:36 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: "W.S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Antiques Roadshow. And, regrets for Leon's Circles W.S. wrote: > But in a quandary. Does a faded, grimy 'Stich score points over: > a) a clean faded one, b) a (possibly) re-dyed, clean one, or c) a new one > (with its newbie implications -- I have some pride)? Bill, Wear it with pride. Clean it if you have to. Know that there are a handful of riders who probably spotted you the moment you rode in, and know that a well-worn 'Stich is one of the Signs of a Real Serious Motorcyclist. Of course, the other 98% of the people there are thinking "who's the guy in the funny pink suit?" :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 25 23:27:24 2004 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:27:15 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: "W.S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Antiques Roadshow. And, regrets for Leon's Circles W.S. wrote: > But in a quandary. Does a faded, grimy 'Stich score points over: > a) a clean faded one, b) a (possibly) re-dyed, clean one, or c) a new one Went down to Bikeweek in Daytona one year. We used to camp in the sands of Bulow, but that place had been (thankfully?) closed down, so we COG guys found another campsite nearby with a bunch of Beemerphiles. Nice folks. But not your normal biker crowd. I'm usually never without my dorky-looking green Gerbing's two-piece riding suit. It sort of looks like a poor-man's early prototype AeroStich, but it's functional and I've grown used to it by now. That ugly, oily, muddy, old suit garnered quite a lot of attention from those BMW riders, I had several come on up and ask me about it, usually "Is that a 'Stich?", then "who makes it?", then "never seen one of those" followed by "looks like you've gotten quite a bit of use out of it". I took that as high praise, coming from those people. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 05:58:04 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 02:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Antiques Roadshow. And, regrets for Leon's Circles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX man! how am I going to get any "street cred" with my 2-piece JR stuff? I guess I need to put it out into the sun more so it can do a better job of fading. Hasn'be been washed in over 2 years except by rain and splashing trucks...I was appalled when I found shiny metal under all the grime and gunk last night after giving the faithful steed it's bath in who knows how long. Not that it matters. People look at me really wierd because of the road-safety vest worn day or night. *grin* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 08:27:22 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:27:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Couldn't happen to a better dealer.... Potomac News sez... "Someone burglarized Coleman Power Sports on Telegraph Road in Woodbridge at 2:55 a.m. Thursday. Officials are conducting an inventory to determine what was stolen. A suspicious mini van was seen in the area shortly before the burglary, police said." ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 08:51:09 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:50:56 EST Subject: Re: Couldn't happen to a better dealer.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/26/2004 8:30:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Officials are conducting an inventory to determine > what was stolen. If they are as "honest" as most postings here would indicate they are they will profit handsomely by the time they are through with their insurance claim. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 08:53:58 2004 From: Richard Westbrook To: "DC-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FS: Hein Gericke V-pilot Jacket and Pants Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:51:09 -0500 I am selling my V-pilot jacket and pants. The jacket is a size 42 Regular. The pants are a 34 waist. I'm not sure about the inseam, but I have a 30 in. inseam and they fit fine. They would probably fit someone a couple inches taller too. The jacket is in good condition. I wore it for about 3 years. There is some wear at the cuffs and a small abrasion on the left sleeve due to a minor "get-off". The pants are in great condition since they weren't worn as much. Also included is the thermoliner vest which I never used. I am asking $150.00 for the pants and the jacket. I can send photos if desired. We can arrange some pickup, but if you are out of the DC area you will have to pay shipping. Below is a description of the jacket * High-performance form and function in a 100% top-grain leather riding jacket * Snap-out Thermoliner for adapting to changing weather conditions * Two front and two back zippered vents, backed by perforated leather, allow excellent ventilation without compromising safety * Built-in adjustable kidney belt * Flex-Panels at back of shoulders and torso * Double leather patches at shoulders and elbows * Special perforated taffeta lining * External storage pockets hidden in vent recesses, zippered key pocket on left sleeve and internal wallet pocket for convenience * Zips to V-Pilot pants for a premium riding suit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 09:59:52 2004 From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paging Tom Gimer, RE:Distillery Tour Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:59:44 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cHVyZHlqZXJlbXlAYXR0Lm5ldA== Tom- I recalled in the past seeing mention of you doing a TN / KY distillery tour on a possibly semi-annual basis. A search of the archives confirmed this recollection but did not turn up the routes you like to take. I was thinking of doing a similar tour myself this spring and was hoping you could reccomend some good roads? -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star "No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place." - Zen saying From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 10:23:56 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:23:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Antiques Roadshow. And, regrets for Leon's Circles matthew patton wrote: > man! how am I going to get any "street cred" with my 2-piece JR stuff? Don't underestimate the power of oil & bug stains. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 10:40:59 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:40:49 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Couldn't happen to a better dealer.... Troutman wrote: > A suspicious mini van was seen in the area > shortly before the burglary, police said." What the heck can be suspicious about a mommyvan? :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 13:01:14 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:01:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Couldn't happen to a better dealer.... At 10:40 AM 3/26/04 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Troutman wrote: > >> A suspicious mini van was seen in the area >> shortly before the burglary, police said." > >What the heck can be suspicious about a mommyvan? :) It was loaded with motorcycle gear? :) BTW - if the sport biker who was at the intersection of Falls and River last night about 10:30pm and pulled forward so I could make a right-turn-on-red is on the list and missed my thank-you wave at the time: THANK YOU!! Very decent of you. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 13:01:14 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:57:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: BDC pulls a MAJOR stupidity in Conn... Seems some idiot cager woman in Connecticut has managed to shut down I-95 up there for at least a couple of weeks: http://www.wfsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=1740205 From the article: ----- Governor Rowland says Connecticut motorists can expect major problems for several days that could stretch into weeks because of the shutdown. The tanker truck exploded into a fireball, melting a bridge. Rowland says that work to reopen the highway will begin immediately. He's estimated it will take at least 12 to 14 days and cost somewhere between three and $4 million. ----- I bet her insurance rates go up like a sounding rocket after this one... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 13:37:43 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:37:35 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: BDC pulls a MAJOR stupidity in Conn... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The driver's insurance probably won't go up at all. But guess who's will. Hazmat trucking insurance. And sooner or later I can see the DOT making all Hazmat operations use dead-of-night as their transit times like they do for Glicerin (which doesn't melt bridges, it eliminates them). There was an overturned garbage truck on I'95 yesturday which had traffic completely hozed here locally. Anybody want to guess what set that one off? We need another "public safety" campaign: "Use your eyeballs for something. Trucks are everywhere!" (bad take-off of the motorcyclists matter campaign) Or in the VISA tradition: * airtime charges yakking on cell phone while driving: $.4/min (not sure if applicable) * failure to swivel your head and look around and see the big-ass 18-wheeler with all his lights on, causing an accident and melting a bridge: $14million and change economic impact of disrupting 125,000 motorists per day, untold number of businesses, shutting down commercial trucking etc: priceless From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 13:59:24 2004 Subject: Hitting an approx 2 inch rock or brick. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:04:39 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: So I have found a fellow rider in my building. We decide to do a lunch time ride that plans to go like this - North Glebe to 66 E - 66 E to Key Bridge - Canal Rd. to Arizona to McArthur - McArthur to Clara Barton - Circle around Carderock NavSurWarfare bldgs - McArhtur to Canal Road. My new friend is riding to my right and rear. As we head down the initial stretch of McArthur I warn about the automated punishment stop at ease off at a light and look back at him. Crrrraaaaaaaaaaack! Gunshot! I halfways duck and then realize I hit something. I pulled over and checked the tire for evidence of damage. My mental feeling that everything is warm fuzzies is gone. I can swear I now feel more vibration and wheel slippage. A second examination of the bike shows nothing. Is this something I need checked out?? Thanks for putting up with a fledgling rider's question. My pal claims I hit the middle of the bike and then my rear tire with a 2 inch rock or brick. cheers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 14:43:42 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:43:36 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Hitting an approx 2 inch rock or brick. At 02:04 PM 3/26/2004, Julian Halton wrote: >A second examination of the bike shows nothing. Is this something I >need checked out?? > >Thanks for putting up with a fledgling rider's question. My pal claims >I hit the middle of the bike and then my rear tire with a 2 inch rock or >brick. Probably bounced up and hit the fairing behind the tire. Check for leaks in the tire (bent rim?) and hidden cosmetic plastics damage. >___________________________________________ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 14:46:21 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:45:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: [Fwd: [Scs-all-list] Re: Foundadtion Account in honor of Chandran J. Shukla] My wife works with Chandran's father at GMU. Thought you might be interested in this. For the short of memory, Chandran was the motorcyclist killed a little over a week ago. >Dear Faculty: > >The Dean's office takes the initiative to set up a fellowship in the GMU >Foundation in honor of Chandran J. Shukla. As you know, Chandran passed >away at the young age of 23. The fellowship honors Chandran and his light >that his name represents. The fellowship will support graduate students in >the area of Climate Dynamics, and will be administered by the Climate >Dynamics Program. More information will be forthcoming on the process and >the awardees when such are selected. > >The abbreviated title is Shukla Fellowship as it can only be a few >words. The full title is "The Chandran J. Shukla Memorial Fellowship in >Climate Dynamics" and will be designated as such in SCS materials, which >will promote this worthy cause to all friends of SCS. The tax-exempt >private donations can be made in the form of checks made out to "GMU >Foundation - Shukla Fellowship" or through payroll deductions. Please >contact Maria Walters, mwalter1@XXXXXX, if you so desire. Thank you for >your consideration which honors Chandran and and through this fellowship >promotes the educational ideals and mission of SCS and Climate Dynamics. > >Menas Kafatos, >Dean ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 26 15:07:40 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:07:28 EST Subject: Re: BDC pulls a MAJOR stupidity in Conn... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/26/2004 1:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > There was an overturned garbage truck on I'95 yesturday which > had traffic completely hozed here locally. Ever been in a tunnel with one that was on fire? No fun. None at all....... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 27 08:05:13 2004 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 05:05:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: BDC pulls a MAJOR stupidity in Conn... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > Seems some idiot cager woman in Connecticut has managed to shut down I-95 > up there for at least a couple of weeks: I've been planning on taking the wife and daughter up to see my folks in CT next weekend. I've been plotting alternate routes because of this, but whatever happens, it's going to be a major headache! Did they identify this woman so those of us who are incovienced can let her know our true feelings, or has she already entered a protection program? ;-) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 27 08:23:32 2004 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 05:23:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Paging Tom Gimer, RE:Distillery Tour To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: > Tom- > > I recalled in the past seeing mention of you doing a TN / > KY distillery tour on a possibly semi-annual basis. A > search of the archives confirmed this recollection but > did not turn up the routes you like to take. > > I was thinking of doing a similar tour myself this spring > and was hoping you could reccomend some good roads? jeremy: on that trip had some mechanical troubles and ended up carrying the duc home in a uhaul truck from knoxville, leaving my traveling companion to enjoy the tour without me. i will drop him a note to see if he kept records worth sharing. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 27 08:28:16 2004 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 05:28:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: da waiting game To: Leon Begeman , DCCycles --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > On Mar 23, 2004, at 4:34 PM, Shigeru Honda wrote: > > anyway, don't you hate when a cager waits for your > > bike to move out from a parking spot? > > Is there a reason not to just push the bike out of the > spot and do all that loading up and dressing while > standing behind the cage that was parked next to your > bike? It lets the cage get the spot he is patiently > waiting for and maybe (just maybe) he won't mind > letting a motorcycle take up a whole damn parking spot > next time. sounds like i'm the only one here who agrees with leon. good karma. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 27 08:48:48 2004 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:48:29 -0500 Subject: Re: da waiting game From: Randy Moran To: DCCycles Actually. I'm with Leon (and Tom) on this as well. I hate to wait, so I try not to make others wait. If there's something reasonable I can do to move the process along, I do it. Moving the bike aside is easy and quick (depending on the size of the bike, of course). RPM On Saturday, March 27, 2004, at 08:28 AM, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Leon Begeman wrote: >> >> Is there a reason not to just push the bike out of the >> spot and do all that loading up and dressing while >> standing behind the cage that was parked next to your >> bike? It lets the cage get the spot he is patiently >> waiting for and maybe (just maybe) he won't mind >> letting a motorcycle take up a whole damn parking spot >> next time. > > sounds like i'm the only one here who agrees with leon. > good karma. > > > -- > tg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 27 09:20:54 2004 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 06:20:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: More on 211 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- matthew patton wrote: > > Me, I ride 619, 610, 620 and a variety of 2-lane roads > with no > shoulder, surface surprises (nasty pot-holes in > particular) and > unpleasant get-off consequences at a steady but unhurried > pace. Somehow > my trip to get $4 worth of carb-ralated screws turned > into a 150mi > jaunt thru Spotsylvania, Faquaire, and PrinceWilliam > counties. Saw > maybe 5 bikes (all non-sportbike) and light traffic > except when in > Woodbridge. The people who think 211 is so great haven't > bothered to > explore their own backyards. i beg to differ. when compared to the mountain areas, our "backyards" are often congested and crawling with coppers. and what was your point in highlighting the poor condition of these wonderful backyard roads? -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 27 10:41:31 2004 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:42:01 -0500 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: BDC pulls a MAJOR stupidity in Conn... At 05:05 AM 3/27/04 -0800, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >--- Mik