From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 07:12:24 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Legality question Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:12:05 -0500 > I wouldn't advise doing it even though I've been annoyed at > cagers enough to hit the flat of my hand on the hood of one > car and to kick at another car. It was stupid and I hope to > get into and past my more aggressive '50s like Carl in > Brrrrthesda did so I can enter into my calmer '60s. I used to carry a long handled ball pein hammer in Saigon... But that was another world. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 08:43:37 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:42:53 -0800 Subject: cutting the cord Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: mgCL@XXXXXX From: Bob McKeithen I've done it. Turned in the plate and cancelled the insurance on the commuter POS. It will be going to the bone yard soon. I am now cageless. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 09:10:42 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:10:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Daytona party at Jay and Lisa's Hey all! Jay and Lisa Goddard are having a Daytona party this Saturday March 6th 10:00 till 5:00. 10402 Heathside Way, Potomac, MD. My invitation said to invite others, so that's what I'm doing. The racing starts at 10:30AM, the Main Race (The Daytona 200) starts 1:30PM. TVs and motorcycle gear everywhere! This will be a great chance to try on some new gear or bring us a trade-in. Our entire inventory will be on hand and available for sale. There will be plenty of beverages (soda and beer), snacks and lunch (from the BBQ) throughout the afternoon. Please call us toll free at 1-866-817-RIDE (7433) or email us at Jay@XXXXXX for directions. Please feel free to pass this invite on to all your friends, the more the merrier. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 10:51:37 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:51:42 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike day At 04:01 PM 2/29/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >Man, today was definately bike day. Tons and tons out there. A couple of >guys were riding up the shoulder on Dale Blvd on the wrong side of the >road (heading back towards Forestdale). Yeah it was great! Made time for another 40-50 mile ride around various back roads. Didn't need long johns or leather pants, or special socks, the jacket vents were all open and I was still too warm (just a little), and the helmet didn't even think of fogging up. Was even wearing my summer gloves with no problems. Nice and sunny most of the day too. Perfect! >Packs of sportbikes. Three at a light on very similar looking bikes (nice >blue) one obviously female. They were at the front and when the light >changed they were off. I saw more bikes than on Saturday, but not huge numbers. Must be from being farther north... ;^) >Tomorrow will be even nicer, I'm on mids _and_ I'm turning in my papers. Colorado for sure, huh? Got a schedule yet? It's supposed to be nice today, but there's a chance of rain, or so I heard on the radio last night. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 10:51:51 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:45:38 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Grips (was: Re: Assuming) At 03:52 PM 2/29/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >I had a similar problem but simply adjusted the bars up about an inch >changing the angle. No problems since I did it 18 months ago. Remember >these things are created for the average guy. Those of us a little larger >than average :-) need to make slight adjustments. Yeah, I've thought about moving the bars, but swapping grips seemed easier for some reason (though it probably wasn't)...and I do like the larger diameter. The throttle side seems to be right where it should be too. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 10:57:29 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:57:48 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Grips (was: Re: Assuming) At 10:45 AM 3/1/04 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote: >diameter. The throttle side seems to be right where it should be too. Oh, that reminds me...the Velcro version of the Throttle Rocker works just fine on the larger, cushier, grips. I checked both versions, and there aren't any "teeth" on either of them. There are some molded-in lines on the "inside", but they are running around the grip, not along it, so they wouldn't impede spinning the original around the grip. The Velcro one won't spin on my cushy grips of course, but neither would the original (which did spin just fine in one direction on the hard rubber original grips). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 11:09:25 2004 Subject: Weekend biking Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:12:59 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Put about 400 miles on the recently repaired bike this weekend. Saw lots of bikes Saturday in G-towne, an army of them at the Anacostia gas station on my way up to Annapolis. Annapolis was a "Harley big bike" convention. Saw a custom gold wing with two rear wheels some custom choppers with outrageous rake angles. No problems on the road from cars, the problems I had were from fellow bikers. While most are uniformly polite I had two incidences with bikers. 66 E before Key Bridge- Am in left lane and see silver Harley v-rod approaching at speed. Signal, pull-over and wave. The guy buzzes past me, cuts into my lane without signaling, brakes hard and then takes off. Two sport bikers on route 50 blew past me at mach 9 ( at least 120 mph) and were on either side of me within touching distance. I love Annapolis but do not like that section of the 295, 201 where everyone feels the need to race you. Some lessons learned and a question. The R6's temperature rockets to 220 very quickly in G-towne traffic. I have also realized after taking two passengers- it is not really a good bike for pillion riding...you get mashed up against the gas tank and the ride is very hard on the suspension...so despite the cuties clamoring for a ride I only took two and after last night where I had to argue with the girl to put a helmet on, I think I am going to ask girls that want to ride to get their own bikes first. It's not fun in DC with all the pot holes, traffic, untimed lights etc.. Now for my biker behavior question. If you are coming up on traffic at a red and the traffic is backed up, is it acceptable to get into the "third lane right where cars are parked and make your way up to the front? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 11:34:03 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:34:20 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Weekend biking At 11:12 AM 3/1/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >Now for my biker behavior question. If you are coming up on traffic at >a red and the traffic is backed up, is it acceptable to get into the >"third lane right where cars are parked and make your way up to the >front? I don't think that's legal in any local jurisdiction. Being in the same lane beside another vehicle, even one that's parked, isn't allowed as far as I know. In Virginia I've had a friend get ticketed for doing that (Virginia Beach, but I doubt it's a local thing). It will almost *surely* piss off the folks you are passing...and do we really need more reasons for folks to hate bikers? What's your hurry? Isn't being out on the bike enough? If you don't like traffic, go out where there isn't any. It's far prettier anyway. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 11:43:52 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Weekend biking Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:43:42 -0500 > ...I have also > realized after taking two passengers- it is not really a good > bike for pillion riding...you get mashed up against the gas > tank and the ride is very hard on the suspension...so despite > the cuties clamoring for a ride I only took two... Crank the pre-load up prior to taking on a passenger. Helps a lot Michael J. Remembering - faintly... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 11:54:18 2004 Subject: RE: Weekend biking Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:54:06 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Julian Halton" , X-imss-version: 2.4 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com Wow! *Two* passengers on a R6?! I didn't think you could even carry one, obviously I was mistaken! ;-) I echo the sentiment about fellow sport-bikers; heading down 66 to Manassas on Saturday I was passed by a loonie doing a standup wheelie at supra-legal speeds, right by the intersection of 66 and 29 (I got a ticket at that very spot last year, so I was hugging the right lane and being Mr. Legal). I realize the weather was wonderful, but I cringe at the negative public image this gives to the rest of us. Also got the rude behaviour from a cruiser on Sunday, fellow riding a BMW cruiser on Rt. 7 towards Leesburg was doing his best to split lanes and weave in and out of traffic, all without benefit of signals or any idea of stopping distance... Robert PS: Allowed? Dunno. Do I do it? Depends. Certainly in DC... -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend biking Put about 400 miles on the recently repaired bike this weekend. Saw lots of bikes Saturday in G-towne, an army of them at the Anacostia gas station on my way up to Annapolis. Annapolis was a "Harley big bike" convention. Saw a custom gold wing with two rear wheels some custom choppers with outrageous rake angles. No problems on the road from cars, the problems I had were from fellow bikers. While most are uniformly polite I had two incidences with bikers. 66 E before Key Bridge- Am in left lane and see silver Harley v-rod approaching at speed. Signal, pull-over and wave. The guy buzzes past me, cuts into my lane without signaling, brakes hard and then takes off. Two sport bikers on route 50 blew past me at mach 9 ( at least 120 mph) and were on either side of me within touching distance. I love Annapolis but do not like that section of the 295, 201 where everyone feels the need to race you. Some lessons learned and a question. The R6's temperature rockets to 220 very quickly in G-towne traffic. I have also realized after taking two passengers- it is not really a good bike for pillion riding...you get mashed up against the gas tank and the ride is very hard on the suspension...so despite the cuties clamoring for a ride I only took two and after last night where I had to argue with the girl to put a helmet on, I think I am going to ask girls that want to ride to get their own bikes first. It's not fun in DC with all the pot holes, traffic, untimed lights etc.. Now for my biker behavior question. If you are coming up on traffic at a red and the traffic is backed up, is it acceptable to get into the "third lane right where cars are parked and make your way up to the front? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 12:33:50 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: grips Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:39:04 -0500 Remove old grips ennyway you can. Lube the inside of the new grips and bars with alcohol: isopropanol/rubbing alcohol; ethanol/shellac thinner/everclear) Slip the new grips on. Let 'em set overnight. The alcohol will dissolve bits of the grips and cee-ment them to your bike parts. The best part is when you're ready to slip on new grips, you can spritz some alcohol under the old grips, wriggle them, and wah-la, the old grips come off easily, complete, and ready to insulate the ^%$#@ snow shovel handle. Carl in Balmy Bethesda (Honey-dos on Saturday but did a lot of waving on Sunday) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 14:05:40 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:04:40 -0500 Subject: Stripped allen head bolt X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information I stripped an allen head bolt that's holding my broken brake lever in place. Any suggestions on how best to extract a damaged allen head bolt? It's the recessed kind -- simply won't budge. Some ideas I found on the Web: - cut slot in end with Dremel tool and use a flat blade screwdriver; - use dab of thick Hot Stuff on the end of the allen wrench, wait for it to cure, then unscrew the damaged allen screw; - pick a couple of strands of wire from a wire brush, stick them in the socket, force the wrench in with the strands and turn carefully; - tap a torx bit into the bad allen screw, then screw it out; - if heat can be safely applied, try heating the area where the threads are before you use any of these methods to remove the bolt. It seems like the corrosion can be 'melted' with heat and the bolt will come out easier. The heat may also reduce the tension on overtightened bolts when applied directly to the bolt as heat expands (lengthens) the bolt slightly. Thanks, -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 14:55:36 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: sean@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stripped allen head bolt Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:44:08 -0500 You also might try those stripped head removal tips that Craftsman sells. I have a small set of them and have had very good success on stripped screws, but can probably work with allen's, too. Maybe some penetrating oil, too, wouldn't hurt. I'm in Germantown if you'd like to try 'em. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Stripped allen head bolt Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:04:40 -0500 I stripped an allen head bolt that's holding my broken brake lever in place. Any suggestions on how best to extract a damaged allen head bolt? It's the recessed kind -- simply won't budge. Some ideas I found on the Web: - cut slot in end with Dremel tool and use a flat blade screwdriver; - use dab of thick Hot Stuff on the end of the allen wrench, wait for it to cure, then unscrew the damaged allen screw; - pick a couple of strands of wire from a wire brush, stick them in the socket, force the wrench in with the strands and turn carefully; - tap a torx bit into the bad allen screw, then screw it out; - if heat can be safely applied, try heating the area where the threads are before you use any of these methods to remove the bolt. It seems like the corrosion can be 'melted' with heat and the bolt will come out easier. The heat may also reduce the tension on overtightened bolts when applied directly to the bolt as heat expands (lengthens) the bolt slightly. Thanks, -Sean _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:12:14 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:12:11 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes "Two men died Sunday in separate motorcycle accidents in eastern Montgomery County, according to county police. After midnight, two motorcycles were traveling together east on Forest Glen Road in Silver Spring when one, a 1994 Harley Davidson, went off the road at a curve, police said. The rider, John Thomas Oakley, 54, of the 10300 block of Ridgemoor Drive in Silver Spring, was ejected from the motorcycle and was pronounced dead at the scene. The second cyclist did not crash and remained at the scene, police said. At 4:30 p.m. Sunday, a man riding a 1996 Honda motorcycle on Route 29 near Dustin Road in Burtonsville died when his motorcycle veered off the roadway and struck an embankment. The man was identified as Greg Campbell Speak, 35, of the unit block of Robindale Drive in Emmitsburg, police said. " ------- Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early morning ice. It may get to 68 today, but at 3am I have ice on my deck. ------- Ordered my tires, new grips, sprockets and chain today. AZ Motorsports was $40 more than Chaparral on the tires (D220s) with shipping. $179 for the pair. I'll have an extra new 90-97 VFR 16T front sprocket if anyone wants to offer me $10 for it. I ordered the sprocket and chain kit with a substitute 15T front. Also - if anyone wants to mount new tires in a couple of weeks, you are welcome to come over and mount yours and mine at the same time on the Harbor Freight tire changer. It will be a learning experience. I'll be using the Fred Harmon guide : http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/tirechange ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:13:52 2004 Subject: Summer gear Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:17:26 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:21:20 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Summer gear Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:21:12 -0500 > Any comments on those Joe Rocket > perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? Very happy with mine. Stops bugs and sunburn. Haven't tried out the armor yet. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:22:44 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summer gear Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:22:37 -0500 Been a lot of debate on the JR Phoenix line. Was a thread over a yr ago w/ some links to examples of how it held up. Most view it as a 1 time use piece. The jackets can be had on Ebay for $50. I don't have one for myself, but have one for passengers. I have the Phoenix pants for myself, they let a decent amount of air in, I wear them w/ just shorts in the summer. For jackets I have a full perforated leather one from Protect, I got it the yr before JR introduced the Phoenix or I would have probably opted for the Phoenix. I also have perforated leather gloves. You can't tell you hav the perf leather on over 25mph, I had a denim jacket my first summer, the perf leather lets a ton more air through. Camelbacks are nice on longer rides. Check out motorcyclegearreview.com for some opinions. Check out dcsportbikes.com for a recent thread on the Phoenix jackets. It's probably under gear review or something like that. >From: "Julian Halton" >To: >Subject: Summer gear >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:17:26 -0500 > > >Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to >jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat >shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any >comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? > > > _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:24:01 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:23:53 -0500 After midnight, can't help but wonder if booze was involved. >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes >Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:12:11 -0500 > >"Two men died Sunday in separate motorcycle accidents in eastern Montgomery >County, according to county police. > >After midnight, two motorcycles were traveling together east on Forest Glen >Road in Silver Spring when one, a 1994 Harley Davidson, went off the road >at a curve, police said. The rider, John Thomas Oakley, 54, of the 10300 >block of Ridgemoor Drive in Silver Spring, was ejected from the motorcycle >and was pronounced dead at the scene. The second cyclist did not crash and >remained at the scene, police said. > >At 4:30 p.m. Sunday, a man riding a 1996 Honda motorcycle on Route 29 near >Dustin Road in Burtonsville died when his motorcycle veered off the roadway >and struck an embankment. The man was identified as Greg Campbell Speak, >35, of the unit block of Robindale Drive in Emmitsburg, police said. " > >------- > >Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early morning ice. It may get to >68 today, but at 3am I have ice on my deck. > >------- > >Ordered my tires, new grips, sprockets and chain today. AZ Motorsports was >$40 more than Chaparral on the tires (D220s) with shipping. $179 for the >pair. I'll have an extra new 90-97 VFR 16T front sprocket if anyone wants >to offer me $10 for it. I ordered the sprocket and chain kit with a >substitute 15T front. Also - if anyone wants to mount new tires in a >couple of weeks, you are welcome to come over and mount yours and mine at >the same time on the Harbor Freight tire changer. It will be a learning >experience. I'll be using the Fred Harmon guide : >http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/tirechange > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > _________________________________________________________________ Say )B“good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:50:07 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:49:52 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Summer gear I have a Brosh (Israeli made_ lightweight summer jacket available if you are interested. http://www.brosh.com/store.asp It is like their Ultra Cool K model, $40, Red, Large. I have found that my First Gear Kenya manages the summer heat up to the mid-90s as long as I'm not deadlocked in traffic forever. Better than a sweatshirt or t-shirt, not as good as leather. I love their Kevlar riding jeans, but don't wear them much anymore, unless they are under my Joe Rocket Phoenix pants in the summer. At 03:17 PM 3/1/2004, Julian Halton wrote: > >Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to >jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat >shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any >comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 15:52:32 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:52:29 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Sanjour Subject: RE: Summer gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I love mine. One thing about it though, at 60 MPH rain hurts! :) Joe --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > Any comments on those Joe Rocket > > perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? > > Very happy with mine. Stops bugs and sunburn. > > Haven't tried out the armor yet. > > Michael J. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 16:05:23 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summer gear Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:05:15 -0500 I've got Draggin Jeans too, wear them under the Phoenix pants when it's not that hot. Draggin Jeans was making a kevlar shirt. Might be closer to the sweatshirt you had in mind. >From: Troutman >To: >Subject: Re: Summer gear >Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:49:52 -0500 > >I have a Brosh (Israeli made_ lightweight summer jacket available if you >are interested. http://www.brosh.com/store.asp It is like their Ultra >Cool K model, $40, Red, Large. I have found that my First Gear Kenya >manages the summer heat up to the mid-90s as long as I'm not deadlocked in >traffic forever. Better than a sweatshirt or t-shirt, not as good as >leather. I love their Kevlar riding jeans, but don't wear them much >anymore, unless they are under my Joe Rocket Phoenix pants in the summer. > >At 03:17 PM 3/1/2004, Julian Halton wrote: >> >>Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to >>jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat >>shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any >>comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 16:49:58 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Summer gear Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:49:49 -0500 I got the Draggin Jeans kevlar shirt. It's yellow and perforated. No padding. More made for under a shirt to prevent road rash not broken bones. It's a size large. Make me an offer and it's yours. -aki > > From: "rich hall" > Date: 2004/03/01 Mon PM 04:05:15 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Summer gear > > I've got Draggin Jeans too, wear them under the Phoenix pants when it's not > that hot. Draggin Jeans was making a kevlar shirt. Might be closer to the > sweatshirt you had in mind. > > >From: Troutman > >To: > >Subject: Re: Summer gear > >Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:49:52 -0500 > > > >I have a Brosh (Israeli made_ lightweight summer jacket available if you > >are interested. http://www.brosh.com/store.asp It is like their Ultra > >Cool K model, $40, Red, Large. I have found that my First Gear Kenya > >manages the summer heat up to the mid-90s as long as I'm not deadlocked in > >traffic forever. Better than a sweatshirt or t-shirt, not as good as > >leather. I love their Kevlar riding jeans, but don't wear them much > >anymore, unless they are under my Joe Rocket Phoenix pants in the summer. > > > >At 03:17 PM 3/1/2004, Julian Halton wrote: > >> > >>Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to > >>jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat > >>shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any > >>comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? > > > > > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 20:05:49 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:05:30 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Legality question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > I wouldn't advise doing it even though I've been annoyed at > > cagers enough to hit the flat of my hand on the hood of one > > car and to kick at another car. It was stupid and I hope to > > get into and past my more aggressive '50s like Carl in > > Brrrrthesda did so I can enter into my calmer '60s. > > I used to carry a long handled ball pein hammer in Saigon... > On the way in this morning, some guy in a taxi looked like he was going to pass me on the left while we were on the 14th St HOV split (single lane if you haven't been on it). I turned and pointed at him and waved him back and probably scared him a touch. > But that was another world. > > Michael J. > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 20:08:49 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:08:46 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Grips (was: Re: Assuming) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 03:52 PM 2/29/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >I had a similar problem but simply adjusted the bars up about an inch > >changing the angle. No problems since I did it 18 months ago. Remember > >these things are created for the average guy. Those of us a little > larger > >than average :-) need to make slight adjustments. > > Yeah, I've thought about moving the bars, but swapping grips seemed > easier > for some reason (though it probably wasn't)...and I do like the larger > diameter. The throttle side seems to be right where it should be too. The only issue is that, for some reason, the front brake line is a tube down to the top of the tree. When I loosened the handlebars, they dropped down a bit before I caught it and moved it up into position. I tightened them down and then realized I had an odd bend in the tube. No kinks but still a bit... weird. > > -- Mike B. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 20:18:18 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Bike day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:01 PM 2/29/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Man, today was definately bike day. Tons and tons out there. A couple > of > >guys were riding up the shoulder on Dale Blvd on the wrong side of the > >road (heading back towards Forestdale). > > Yeah it was great! Made time for another 40-50 mile ride around various > back roads. Didn't need long johns or leather pants, or special socks, > the > jacket vents were all open and I was still too warm (just a little), and > the helmet didn't even think of fogging up. Was even wearing my summer > gloves with no problems. Nice and sunny most of the day too. Perfect! > I wore my 5/8's helmet today with my goggles. A bit on the nippy side on the way in but after a few minutes my face got the hint and warmed right up. > >Tomorrow will be even nicer, I'm on mids _and_ I'm turning in my > papers. > > Colorado for sure, huh? Got a schedule yet? > Yep. Turned in with no problem and invitations to extend my departure date if necessary and open arms to return if the need arises. I put the tentative last day at Apr 16th. I also offered a suggestion of part-time telecommuting from Colorado. They're discussing it with the program manger. My manager is paranoid and not for it. His manager is somewhat for it. I suspect I may become a consultant for information purposes but not for day-to-day administration. > It's supposed to be nice today, but there's a chance of rain, or so I > heard > on the radio last night. > 50% chance with a high of 70 according to 'wunderground'. I'll grab my blue 'chief and wear it if necessary. > -- Mike B. > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 1 20:20:23 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:20:20 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Weekend biking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > Now for my biker behavior question. If you are coming up on traffic at > a red and the traffic is backed up, is it acceptable to get into the > "third lane right where cars are parked and make your way up to the > front? > I'd be more worried about someone opening a door, either by accident or on purpose. But that's just me. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 06:47:38 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 06:47:32 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Julian Halton cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summer gear On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > > Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to > jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat > shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any > comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? Picked up a first gear mesh jacket mid-season last year and have been very happy with it so far. I'm normally riding with a aerostitch, but found on the hotter summer days its just not able to flow enough air to keep me happy. The mesh jacket is almost like not having a jacket on at all. However, if you get a cool summer night, it works against you equally well... However the new version 2 of the jacket comes with a removable wind proof liner to address this issue. I ride just about every day for commuting, so long term durability was important. So far so good. I used the jacket every day last summer for about 2 months of riding, which I'd guess is more days than the average rider does in a year. The only thing it doesn't do that I would like, is zip together with my 'stitch. However, I'll be getting a small panel sewn in this spring so that it will mate with the stitch pants. I did look at the mesh pants, but I'd like to avoid carrying 2 complete suits during the spring/fall when temps are such that I need non-perf in the 5am commute, but want perf in the 3pm ride home. Carrying 2 jackets is a compromise I'm willing to make... after all the beemer has enough luggage space to accommodate 1 extra jacket. see a short review of the jacket here: http://www.newenough.com/firstgear_meshtex2_jacket_page.htm also available for purchase at $126. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 10:21:37 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 10:21:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: tire pressure solved Combination of problems resulted in the pressure fluctuations. First off, the rear tire patch from last year ... which held all winter ... is now leaking about 2lbs each day. The co-worker's pressure gauge I borrowed was a piece of crap. I put one of my gauges back in my tankbag (it had wandered into a toolbox). New tires will be here by the weekend. The ride in today was a little wet, but the weather was incredible. I'll take it like this _any_ day. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 10:47:23 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:47:21 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! No, not the short, white Michael Jordan we all know and love - the tall, black Michael Jordan that used to play basketball. Evidently, he's gotten into roadracing motorcycles, and is an expert with CCS. Here's a shot of his race hauler at Daytona. http://webcrush.com/photo_booth.asp?name=2.jpg Be interested to see what he's riding...also, what kind of laptimes he's running. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 10:51:47 2004 Subject: Re: tire pressure solved From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Mar 2004 10:48:18 -0500 On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 10:21, Troutman wrote: > The ride in today was a little wet, but the weather was incredible. I'll > take it like this _any_ day. > Damn straight! I took it easier than the usual hectic pace, especially since I'm on the middle shift this week and did a lot of smiling. Much nicer since you don't eat bugs this early. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 10:52:33 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:52:32 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction D'oh, bad info - he's sponsoring a team, and has a rider running at Daytona. (Who is the actual expert with CCS.) But, MJ has been doing some track days out west. http://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=162016 - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:08:08 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:07:56 EST Subject: Re: Stripped allen head bolt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/2004 2:06:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, sean@XXXXXX writes: > I stripped an allen head bolt that's holding my broken brake lever in > place. At the risk of insulting you if you already know. Does your bike have a lock nut under the lever perch? And if so did you remove the lock nut ? That bolt should not be anywhere near tight enough to be stripped by simple removal. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:10:29 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:12:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Sean Jordan wrote: > > the tall, black Michael Jordan that used to play basketball. Not familiar with that guy. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:17:12 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:17:03 EST Subject: Brakes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Had to put new rear brake pads in the ST yesterday. The third or fourth set (fourth I think) I have had to put on this bike. OH if there was just something I could do to make them last longer...... Here fishy fishy. Here fishy.......... #:-) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:19:21 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:19:08 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/2004 3:15:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early morning ice. And for those who park their bikes in bad weather, _remember_ your skills are _RUSTY,_ take it easy. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:23:31 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:22:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Stripped allen head bolt X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information #$%@%#%!%!! That's it, unfortunately. Mental note: read Clymer manual more carefully. Durn it all (but thanks). -Sean PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/1/2004 2:06:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > sean@XXXXXX writes: > > >>I stripped an allen head bolt that's holding my broken brake lever in >> place. > > > At the risk of insulting you if you already know. Does your bike have a lock > nut under the lever perch? And if so did you remove the lock nut ? That bolt > should not be anywhere near tight enough to be stripped by simple removal. > > > New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. > > "Eat right, stay fit, > DIE ANYWAY!" > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 11:31:26 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:31:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes In a message dated 3/1/2004 3:15:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early morning ice. And for those who park their bikes in bad weather, _remember_ your skills are _RUSTY,_ take it easy. ----------------- Rustiness is not just those who park 'em for a long lay off. I had to put my cornering thinking cap back on for a shortish ride out to Harper's Ferry/W. Maryland on Saturday. That's after about a two-month hiatus of "real" riding. Riding the open road is a lot different than grinding out the miles 'twixt home and office and other short hops around town. A fair amount of sand'n'gravel out that way too. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 12:16:52 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:16:25 -0500 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brakes Well, John, it's cheaper to use and replace the rears than to pay for all the damage and hospital bills you'll have from using the fronts and getting tossed over the handlebars! --skip, chumming PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > Had to put new rear brake pads in the ST yesterday. > The third or fourth set (fourth I think) I have had to put on this bike. > OH if there was just something I could do to make them last longer...... > > Here fishy fishy. Here fishy.......... #:-) > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 12:38:55 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:38:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Skip Subject: Re: Brakes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, stay off those widow-makers (aka front brakes). On the other hand, the rear brake assembly is just dead unsprung weight on a sportbike. And Lord knows sportbikes are the gold standard of all motorcycling is and ever will be. Besides the mere act of touching the pedal will send you into an instant rear tire slide; moreover the rear does nothing to initiate stoppies. For the humor impaired the above is a short synopsis of every front/rear brake flamefest on DC-Cycles. Whatever happened to Danny "daniel_ex250" anyway? Here's an oldie, but goodie. http://www.dccycles.com/arch/02/03/mar00386 Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F -----Original Message----- From: Skip Sent: Mar 2, 2004 12:16 PM To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brakes Well, John, it's cheaper to use and replace the rears than to pay for all the damage and hospital bills you'll have from using the fronts and getting tossed over the handlebars! --skip, chumming PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > Had to put new rear brake pads in the ST yesterday. > The third or fourth set (fourth I think) I have had to put on this bike. > OH if there was just something I could do to make them last longer...... > > Here fishy fishy. Here fishy.......... #:-) > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 12:41:09 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:40:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes -- Circles? On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > In a message dated 3/1/2004 3:15:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early morning ice. > > And for those who park their bikes in bad weather, _remember_ your skills are > _RUSTY,_ take it easy. > > > ----------------- > > Rustiness is not just those who park 'em for a long lay off.... > > A fair amount of sand'n'gravel out that way too. > Speaking of all that, is there going to be a "circles" day this year? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 13:09:43 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:09:32 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Which one? Can't tell from the pic. Scooter In a message dated 3/2/2004 10:52:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > > > D'oh, bad info - he's sponsoring a team, and has a rider running at > Daytona. (Who is the actual expert with CCS.) > > But, MJ has been doing some track days out west. > > http://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com/forums/attachment.php?s > =&postid=162016 > > - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 13:11:53 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:11:23 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes -- Circles? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yes, there will be at least one 'circles' day in March. I'm going to Daytona this weekend, but when I get back, I'll plan a weekend for circles. I haven't decided yet whether it will be on the 14th or 21st. Leon. --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > > In a message dated 3/1/2004 3:15:50 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > > mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Watch out for winter sand and salt, and early > morning ice. > > > > And for those who park their bikes in bad weather, > _remember_ your skills are > > _RUSTY,_ take it easy. > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > Rustiness is not just those who park 'em for a > long lay off.... > > > > A fair amount of sand'n'gravel out that way too. > > > > > Speaking of all that, is there going to be a > "circles" day this year? > > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 13:21:18 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:21:11 -0500 When I saw the picture on another list I was told it was the guy w/ the really long leg in the brand new Joe Rocket suit. >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:09:32 -0500 > >Which one? Can't tell from the pic. > >Scooter > >In a message dated 3/2/2004 10:52:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, >eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > D'oh, bad info - he's sponsoring a team, and has a rider running at > > Daytona. (Who is the actual expert with CCS.) > > > > But, MJ has been doing some track days out west. > > > > http://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com/forums/attachment.php?s > > =&postid=162016 > > > > - Sean Jordan > _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage )B– 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 13:38:38 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Bike Week Fun To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For those who are going or who may already be there: http://www.wftv.com/news/2888490/detail.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 13:51:09 2004 From: To: Paul Wilson , Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Brakes Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:50:56 -0500 bah. I ride a Harley. The bike doesn't even have to move for proper posing. > > From: Paul Wilson > Date: 2004/03/02 Tue PM 12:38:44 EST > To: Skip > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Brakes > > Yeah, stay off those widow-makers (aka front brakes). On the other hand, the rear brake assembly is just dead unsprung weight on a sportbike. And Lord knows sportbikes are the gold standard of all motorcycling is and ever will be. Besides the mere act of touching the pedal will send you into an instant rear tire slide; moreover the rear does nothing to initiate stoppies. > > For the humor impaired the above is a short synopsis of every front/rear brake flamefest on DC-Cycles. > > Whatever happened to Danny "daniel_ex250" anyway? > > Here's an oldie, but goodie. > > http://www.dccycles.com/arch/02/03/mar00386 > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip > Sent: Mar 2, 2004 12:16 PM > To: > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Brakes > > Well, John, it's cheaper to use and replace the rears than to pay for all the > damage and hospital bills you'll have from using the fronts and getting tossed > over the handlebars! > > --skip, chumming > > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Had to put new rear brake pads in the ST yesterday. > > The third or fourth set (fourth I think) I have had to put on this bike. > > OH if there was just something I could do to make them last longer...... > > > > Here fishy fishy. Here fishy.......... #:-) > > > > John. > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 14:28:39 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:28:38 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction http://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=162016 He's #3. - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 15:15:35 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:14:47 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Weekend biking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX re: silver Harley v-rod approaching at speed. Signal, pull-over and wave. The guy buzzes past me, cuts into my lane without signaling, brakes hard and then takes off. So, you're saying that this was not intended behavior you were signaling for? re: Two sport bikers on route 50 blew past me at mach 9( at least 120 mph)....do not like that section of the 295,201 where everyone feels the need to race you. Unfortuanetly, you've stumbled into a local "urban sport bike" playground, the gas station at Pennsylvania and 295 is a staging area, as well as the Checkers coming in Route 50 from Baltimore to DC. If you want mindless entertainment try riding into DC from Baltimore on route 50 on a warm Friday or Saturday Summer night and watch packs of 5 to 20 sport bikes filter up between cars to the stoplight and wheelie in unison through the next 5 traffic signals as the lights turn green. Hard not to shake your head in disapproval while simultaneously wearing a big dumb grin of amusement. re: ride is very hard on the suspension... Gotta ask...Just how big ARE these women? The suspension is more resilient than you think, if it really concerns you, tweak your suspension (as MJ said) or haul lighter women. The R6 is a capable passenger hauler for sprinting around town, but you're bound to have severe passenger squirm at distances over 50 miles (perhaps more depending on the passenger's masochistic qualities.) re: If you are coming up on traffic at a red and the traffic is backed up, is it acceptable to get into the "third lane right where cars are parked and make your way up to the front? We call it "filtering" it's probably not legal anywhere lane splitting is not legal. Of course, finding people that exhibit driving etiquette or observing all traffic laws in DC is pretty rare. Filtering is a practice taken at your own risk knowing that if you are involved in an accident, you will most likely be at fault. -Corbett ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 15:52:50 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:52:47 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Yesterday's riding (used to be: Re: Yeeehhhhhhaaaaaaaa!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Always carry a shovel. -Corbett --- rich hall wrote: > You shoulda followed her home. > > >From: Wayne Edelen > >To: > >Subject: Re: Yesterday's riding (used to be: Re: > Yeeehhhhhhaaaaaaaa!) > >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:42:14 -0500 (EST) > > > >Again coming home from the gym this evening - the > off ramp is 2 left turn > >lanes. I'm in the far left in my truck, there is a > woman driving an > >Expedition (smaller vehicle in this case) on my > right. As we make the > >left, she just drives into my lane. like the 2 > lanes are just one. ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 16:00:22 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:00:02 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: salvage/junk yards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Can someone tell me where auto salvage/junk yards are in the D.C. area? I'm actually looking for car stuff. Just so this post is on topic I did ride my DR yesterday and I'll be riding it again later today. thanks, Hugh ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 16:07:17 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:25:06 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: salvage/junk yards On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Can someone tell me where auto salvage/junk yards are > in the D.C. area? I'm actually looking for car stuff. Brandywine Auto Parts in Maryland (301) 372-8811 -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 16:27:28 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:27:20 -0500 From: Skip To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: salvage/junk yards Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Can someone tell me where auto salvage/junk yards are > in the D.C. area? I'm actually looking for car stuff. Leesburg Auto Recyclers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 17:11:19 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:11:50 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Grips (was: Re: Assuming) At 05:08 PM 3/1/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >The only issue is that, for some reason, the front brake line is a tube >down to the top of the tree. When I loosened the handlebars, they dropped >down a bit before I caught it and moved it up into position. I tightened >them down and then realized I had an odd bend in the tube. No kinks but >still a bit... weird. Thanks, I'll watch out for that if I ever move the bars. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 17:14:12 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:14:23 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike day At 05:18 PM 3/1/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> Colorado for sure, huh? Got a schedule yet? > >Yep. Turned in with no problem and invitations to extend my departure date >if necessary and open arms to return if the need arises. I put the >tentative last day at Apr 16th. Sounds like an actual plan then! Any reason why you picked the day after tax returns are due to "get out of town"? :^) Good luck with the packing! (I hate that part...though actually moving the packed stuff is worse). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 18:01:05 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:02:40 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Michael Jordan racing at Daytona! Correction Sean Jordan wrote: > > http://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=162016 > > He's #3. Doesn't look like your Dad at all... :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 20:08:19 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:07:32 -0800 Subject: Sunday rusty etc. From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX One of the reasons I ride year round is that I am not a good enough rider to be able to lay off for several months and then feel comfortable on the bike. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 21:45:25 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:45:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: salvage/junk yards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX M&M Auto in Stafford - Recycler. They pull the stuff and you buy off the shelf. On 234 next to the PWC dump are two junk yards, one behind the other. The front one lets you trudge through the vehicles and salvage what you want. Don't know about the rear one. I think there was an M&M Auto up 50 towards Annapolis close by "Schelin Guns" but it's been years since I installed the POS we wrote there (and at the VW place near by). You can also go to http://www.junkyarddog.com and find 8 ones with DC phone numbers. Carl --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Can someone tell me where auto salvage/junk yards are > in the D.C. area? I'm actually looking for car stuff. > > Just so this post is on topic I did ride my DR > yesterday and I'll be riding it again later today. > > thanks, > Hugh > > > ===== > Hugh Caldwell > http://www.twowheelsgood.net > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 21:52:19 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:52:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Bike day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:18 PM 3/1/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> Colorado for sure, huh? Got a schedule yet? > > > >Yep. Turned in with no problem and invitations to extend my departure > date > >if necessary and open arms to return if the need arises. I put the > >tentative last day at Apr 16th. > > Sounds like an actual plan then! > Oh yea. I'm getting two reactions; "you're kidding" and "oh my god, what will we do without you". It's a little weird since I write as much documentation about what I'm doing as I can. I work by the 'hit by a bus' rule. If I'm hit by a bus, will they be able to understand what I was doing. I'm sure you know what I mean. > Any reason why you picked the day after tax returns are due to "get out > of > town"? :^) > Nah, just giving 6 weeks notice. Plenty of time to locate a couple of replacements, attend the parties (both for and against ;-) turn over my current projects and, if they're willing, get the telecommuting documentation and approvals. One of the other managers piped up saying she'll speak to the Program Manager in my favor. > Good luck with the packing! (I hate that part...though actually moving > the > packed stuff is worse). > Actually I think getting rid of the unnecessary stuff is pretty difficult. There's so much crud that just accumulates. I took 3 pick-up truck loads of stuff to the dump last year (mainly pc tech joural and pc magazine with software manuals and outdated tech manuals coming in second). > -- Mike B. > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 2 22:22:59 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:22:56 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Extreme Biking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 00:35:47 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:36:17 -0500 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes At 03:23 PM 3/1/04 -0500, rich hall wrote: >After midnight, can't help but wonder if booze was involved. Could be...but... >>After midnight, two motorcycles were traveling together east on Forest Glen >>Road in Silver Spring when one, a 1994 Harley Davidson, went off the road I haven't been on Forest Glen recently (last couple of years), but the last time I was, it was a fairly narrow two lane with lots of trees (at least the section west of Georgia). It's not all that well lit either. I wonder if winter road damage, sand, or just lousy visibility (oncoming headlights blinding the rider maybe), had something to do with it? >>At 4:30 p.m. Sunday, a man riding a 1996 Honda motorcycle on Route 29 near >>Dustin Road in Burtonsville died when his motorcycle veered off the roadway >>and struck an embankment. The man was identified as Greg Campbell Speak, >>35, of the unit block of Robindale Drive in Emmitsburg, police said. " Unless it was mechanical failure, that one sure sounds like rider impairment...or suicide. Rt. 29 in that area is like an interstate...wide, open and mostly straight, with a fairly high speed limit. Veering off the road isn't likely for a functioning rider on a functioning bike. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 00:51:02 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:47:10 -0500 To: Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sunday rusty etc. At 08:07 PM 3/2/04 -0800, Bob McKeithen wrote: >One of the reasons I ride year round is that I am not a good enough >rider to be able to lay off for several months and then feel >comfortable on the bike. I did because it was easier than "winterizing" it. :^) That, and it was impossible to pick it up in late September, and NOT ride it until spring! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 00:51:02 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:45:08 -0500 To: Corbett B , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Weekend biking At 12:14 PM 3/2/04 -0800, Corbett B wrote: >Filtering is a practice taken at your own risk knowing >that if you are involved in an accident, you will most >likely be at fault. And, if you are seen by a cop, could involve an expensive day in court...as a lister recently discovered. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 06:40:23 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 06:40:13 -0500 From: Bob Rapp Reply-To: rrapp@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: pattonj@XXXXXX, yenchas@XXXXXX Subject: '97 vfr and givi stuff Hi, I have 3 (4) '97 VFR parts and a Givi hardcase set needing a new home. The VFR parts I have: 1 sidestand (new) 1 upper right fairing, used, some scratches. 1 lower right fairing/engine shroud, used, minor scratches. The Givi set: 1 Wingrack set (top and side plates + mount kit for '97 VFR) 1 E360 Black hardcase 2 E21? Black hard-sidecases If anyone is interested, please let me know. I'll send photos upon request. Thanks, Bob Rapp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 08:16:19 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Extreme Biking Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:16:02 -0500 I don't know if I'd go there but that was a cool story. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:dm_gsxr@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Extreme Biking http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 08:21:03 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:20:52 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/3/2004 12:36:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > I wonder > if winter road damage, sand, or just lousy visibility (oncoming headlights > blinding the rider maybe), had something to do with it? One of "Johns rules," perhaps number one. If it is big enough to knock you down it is big enough to see. Roads do not cause accidents. If you cannot see far enough ahead to avoid obstacles, you need to slow down. Short of massive mechanical failure (extremely rare) single vehicle accidents are the fault of the operator not some (usually imagined) condition "beyond the control of the operator." I hate that these things happen, I hate that people get hurt or die on bikes but the accident is their fault and more important if it happens to you OR me it will be your/my fault. The responsibility is ours. Stay safe. Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 09:41:40 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:41:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes At 08:20 AM 3/3/2004, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >Roads do not cause accidents. If you cannot see far enough ahead to avoid >obstacles, you need to slow down. >Short of massive mechanical failure (extremely rare) single vehicle accidents >are the fault of the operator not some (usually imagined) condition "beyond >the control of the operator." > >I hate that these things happen, I hate that people get hurt or die on bikes >but the accident is their fault and more important if it happens to you OR me >it will be your/my fault. >The responsibility is ours. Are you including true accidents, like hitting diesel or an oil slick on an exit ramp at normal speed? Its our responsibility, but it may not always be our fault. Plenty of situations can be beyond the control of the operator. Nothing fits into neat little boxes. /hypothetical since I am accident free (knock on wood) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 09:46:49 2004 Subject: RE: Extreme Biking Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:46:38 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Carl Schelin" , X-imss-version: 2.0 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com Wow! Kind of puts a lot of things in perspective, and makes me appreciate the easy commuting I have in the DC/NoVA area. All I have to worry about are single/multi-vehicle accidents, imagine carrying a radiation detector as basic riding kit! Nice bike, too! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:dm_gsxr@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Extreme Biking http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 12:53:58 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Summer gear Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:57:37 -0500 A hearty two thumbs up for the Phoenix. I wore my 'Stich through four DC summers before springing for a Phoenix. The Phoenix is great for that stop-and-slow traffic. There have been several reports of the Phoenix doing a good job of protecting the wearer during get-offs. For on-the-road, the 'Stich is still great. When you begin to heat up, stop and soak your tee-shirt for a chill thrill, especially if the road-side stop is air-conditioned. (Women, we support your right to wear wet tee shirts). I also hooked up some Home-Depot bilge-tubing to direct air up my 'Stich sleeves (screen catches the stinging critters). They do a great job of keeping me cool when I have a full windshield on the bike. Took the 'Ceptor in today. It flicks through traffic wa-ay too easily. That bike is gonna kill me one day and earn its 666 sobriquet. Brakes bait John Trolled: "Had to put new rear brake pads in the ST yesterday. The third or fourth set (fourth I think) I have had to put on this bike. OH if there was just something I could do to make them last longer...... Here fishy fishy. Here fishy.......... #:-)" Sheese it's barely March and there's already been a summer gear thread. Yer timing's off. Carl in Bethesda '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 13:06:40 2004 Subject: Re: Summer gear From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 03 Mar 2004 13:03:12 -0500 On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 12:57, Custer, Carl wrote: > I also hooked up some Home-Depot bilge-tubing to direct air up my 'Stich > sleeves (screen catches the stinging critters). They do a great job of > keeping me cool when I have a full windshield on the bike. > > Jeeze louise what do you have there, four horns? Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 13:10:44 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:10:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Summer gear -----Original Message----- From: "Custer, Carl" A hearty two thumbs up for the Phoenix. I wore my 'Stich through four DC summers before springing for a Phoenix. The Phoenix is great for that stop-and-slow traffic. There have been several reports of the Phoenix doing a good job of protecting the wearer during get-offs..... ------------- I've got the Phoenix jacket'n'pants combo, to use mostly for commuting on those sweltering days when the Motoport gets a little toasty. It's a compromise in protection, to be sure, but the armor appears substantial. Jury's still out on the durability of the mesh fabric and it's abrasion resistance. Like Carl sez, I opt for the more substantial all-weather gear on longer trips. I bought them last summer, as part of a good deal through New Enough. Wore 'em on dry days (hint: not Isabel) until it got too chilly in the mornings. Looks like I may be digging 'em out of the closet before too long if the balmy weather continues. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 13:34:29 2004 From: Richard Westbrook To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summer gear Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:32:06 -0500 Julian, I have to second (or third) the good review on the Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket. I bought one last year and I love it. I used to commute into Georgetown which is basically all lights and traffic and it really made the ride bearable. There were days that I wouldn't ride because of the heat, but with the Phoenix I never had that problem. As for crash protection... I haven't tested it out, but it is very thin except for where there's padding. It really makes you feel like you are not wearing a jacket at all. -Rich > ---------- > From: Julian Halton > Sent: Monday, March 1, 2004 3:17 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Summer gear > > > Any recommendations for good summer gear? Is rider protection limited to > jackets? I was wondering if there is such a thing as a padded sweat > shirt or lightweight top that includes shoulder\back\elbow padding. Any > comments on those Joe Rocket perforated mesh jackets? Comfortable? > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 13:55:59 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summer gear Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:55:49 -0500 The Phoenix seems to be the original mesh jacket, but there are others out there from AGV, Fieldsheer, Alpinestars, ect. Just letting you know. _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage )B– 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 13:59:35 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:59:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Speed camera on Florida Ave Cc: nma@XXXXXX http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=175513&nid=25 "The highest speed recorded was 88 miles per hour," Ramsey said. "The speeding on Florida Avenue is ridiculous." Unless otherwise marked, the speed limit is only 25 in DC. Warning letters this month, $200 fines next month. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 15:14:33 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:15:07 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes At 08:20 AM 3/3/04 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >I hate that these things happen, I hate that people get hurt or die on bikes >but the accident is their fault and more important if it happens to you OR me >it will be your/my fault. >The responsibility is ours. >Stay safe. >Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions. I agree with you for the most part, but there are "contributing factors" that it's useful to be aware of. The sort of things I mentioned for instance. The "root cause" is going to be the rider's lack of judgement in not allowing enough "leeway", or perhaps suicidal intentions in some cases, but sand, potholes, headlight glare, the setting sun (some roads in Montgomery County point right into it this time of year...ran into that last night on Rt. 28 west about 5:30pm), wet leaves, or a combination of factors (driveway mirror points glare directly into eyes, blinding and distracting rider for the split second needed to see the wet leaves or whatever) can turn a small judgement error or missed clue that you'd get away with 99 times out of 100 into an accident. Some you assign to the rider, some to others (like whoever put up the mirror) and some are just "shit happens" things. The NTSB/FAA does things this way in accident investigations for aircraft. More often than not the final decision about cause is "pilot error", but they very often will add things like "weather was a contributing factor", or "the loss of the radio was a contributing factor" (where the pilot might have been distracted trying to deal with that and didn't pay enough attention to flying the plane). Sort of a "it's the pilot's fault, but he'd have been ok anyway except for..." so that other pilots will know to watch out for those factors themselves, and perhaps avoid a future accident repeat. I agree that rider impairment is likely in the midnight crash, and probably in the other (unless it was suicide), in which case it's all the rider's fault. I'm just not dismissing other factors being involved without knowing more details...like the results of blood tests for instance. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 15:17:50 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:18:29 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Summer gear At 01:03 PM 3/3/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 12:57, Custer, Carl wrote: > >> I also hooked up some Home-Depot bilge-tubing to direct air up my 'Stich >> sleeves (screen catches the stinging critters). They do a great job of >> keeping me cool when I have a full windshield on the bike. >> >> > >Jeeze louise what do you have there, four horns? Or are the two big ones just air scoops for the ram-air rider cooling system? :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 15:21:04 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:21:40 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Speed camera on Florida Ave Cc: nma@XXXXXX At 01:59 PM 3/3/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=175513&nid=25 >Unless otherwise marked, the speed limit is only 25 in DC. Warning letters >this month, $200 fines next month. I wonder how long it will last there? Between speeders and scrap merchants, I can only hope they've got it *well* protected if they want it to pay for itself... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 18:15:01 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:14:58 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Speed camera on Florida Ave To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: nma@XXXXXX Only 88? Amateurs... Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > "The highest speed recorded was 88 miles per hour," __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 20:21:02 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:20:44 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Speed camera on Florida Ave To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, by then they'd disappeared. Carl --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Only 88? Amateurs... > > Glenn > > --- Troutman wrote: > > "The highest speed recorded was 88 miles per hour," > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 21:48:59 2004 From: "David Thompson" To: Subject: More about: Ride with Routemeister Mar 6 & 7 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:48:55 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine The weather still looks OK, if not great, so the ST1100 is loaded on the trailer. I've prepared two routes, one ~190 miles of back roads through VA via Lovettsville, Blue Ridge Mt rd, Leeds Manor rd, Carter's Run rd, Lunch in Plains, Half Way rd to Middleburg, miscellaneous back roads to Waterford; Stumptown rd, Taylorstown rd to Point of Rocks, and finally a run down Thurston Rd before returning to Gaithersburg. Everything is paved, but they may be a bit sandy after the winter. The 2nd route, ~160 miles, runs north west to Camp Ritchie, then loops back to Gaithersburg. it's back roads of course, but one of the best sections, David Mill rd, is only 6 miles from the Fairgrounds. We'll probably lunch in Thurmont on the return leg. My web site is down for renovations, but if you would like a map w/route instructions, I have PDF files available by e-mail. I'll have a few hard copies with me too. Regards, David "Routemeister" Thompson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 23:37:58 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 23:38:36 -0500 To: "David Thompson" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More about: Ride with Routemeister Mar 6 & 7 At 09:48 PM 3/3/04 -0500, David Thompson wrote: >My web site is down for renovations, but if you would like a map w/route >instructions, I have PDF files available by e-mail. I'll have a few hard >copies with me too. I'd be interested in seeing your info. Those routes sound like fun ones to try now, or in the future. PDF is fine, or if you just have road name lists in ASCII, posting here would work. ADVthanksANCE! I don't know if I can afford the time to make the whole ride (you wouldn't believe my "to-do" list...), and I suspect that the preferred riding style of most wouldn't match up with mine anyway, but I'll try to come by the departure point at least. Be interesting to meet a few of the others here. Not all of them, but a few... :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 23:41:37 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:41:26 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/3/2004 9:41:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Are you including true accidents, like hitting diesel or an oil slick on an > exit ramp at normal speed? Yes I am, absolutely. Oil can be seen and avoided. (Generally if the color of the road surface changes the traction changes, maybe better maybe worse, guess which way I assume.) A little bit of oil, assuming we are traveling at anything near a reasonable speed, will not knock us down. Like I said if it is big enough to knock us down we can see it in plenty of time to take action to prevent an accident. > Its our responsibility, but it may not always be our fault. It depends on your definition of fault. If you mean legally you are of course right. _But_ we are talking about single vehicle accidents and there is just no excuse for hitting something big enough to knock us down. > Plenty of > situations can be beyond the > control of the operator. Just not true. You may not be responsible for the oil on the road but you are responsible for avoiding it and more to the point you can. > Nothing fits into neat little boxes. Nope. Ugly rough boxes yes. And I did allow for exceptions, "Short of massive mechanical failure (extremely rare)" and I stand by that. I have watched countless riders ride through sand, oil, and all sorts of crap that they could have avoided if they had just been paying enough attention to see it. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 3 23:58:22 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:58:13 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/3/2004 3:17:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Sort of a "it's the pilot's fault, but > he'd have been ok anyway except for.. Essentially what I am saying, it is the riders fault, except for _s/he hit something. The problem is that if you allow yourself to be distracted it is _still_ your fault, not the distraction. It is still the riders responsibility not to override their vision, if weather is bad, or it is dark, or, or, or, you can slow down until your speed is such that you will have time to react to unexpected surprises. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 07:57:42 2004 From: To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/03/04 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:54:27 -0500 That's what dirt bikes are for. you get to practice in the colder months and you aren't afraid of sliding in the spring. I did 150 miles on the DRZ yesterday and the sand in the turns was the best part. -- Thanks!! Jay Goddard 2000 DRZ400E street legal! Don't forget our Daytona Party, contact us for details 301-340-0886 Jay@XXXXXX http://www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:07:32 -0800 Subject: Sunday rusty etc. From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX One of the reasons I ride year round is that I am not a good enough rider to be able to lay off for several months and then feel comfortable on the bike. Bob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 08:36:47 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 8:36:39 -0500 > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: 2004/03/03 Wed PM 11:41:26 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes fits into neat little boxes. > > Nope. > Ugly rough boxes yes. > And I did allow for exceptions, "Short of massive mechanical failure > (extremely rare)" and I stand by that. > > I have watched countless riders ride through sand, oil, and all sorts of crap > that they could have avoided if they had just been paying enough attention to > see it. > ...last summer while riding out in the back country of Va., I came around a blind curve, traveling well below the posted speed limit, I came upon a massive oil spill that ran completely across both lanes of the road and was at least 6 or 7 feet down the road. Guard rails on both sides, and even at my (slow) speed there was no way to avoid going through it. The only other alternative was to try and slam on the brakes, which in retrospect, would of slid me right into the middle of the oil slick most likely making me loose control and dump the bike. Instead, I just let off the throttle, pulled in the clutch, ratcheted up my spincter to "maximum" and rode as straight as I could through it. Needless to say, my tires were soaked with oil and I took it VERY easy for about a quarter mile until I found a nice even gravel shoulder and very carefully rode through it to get some of oil off the tires. The rest of the ride was totally ruined because I was so paranoid to even lean the bike over a tiny bit until I found a drugstore and bought some rubbing alcohol and some papertowels and wiped the tires down as best I could. Then I found an old farm road and rode it up and down until I was confident that most of the oil had been worn off. I *also* had big fun cleaning my bike when I got home but that's another story. Obtw..the oil patch was caused by some red neck doofus that had a 55 gal drum of used motor oil that fell off the back end of his pickup and the top burst off and it splashed 55 gal of nasty, smelly used motor oil all over the road. The Fire dept hadn't arrived yet and this dork was just standing on the side of the road scratching his head. I told him to run up the road and warn drivers (and especially) bikes and to call the fire department (he had a cell phone. Took two weeks for my seat to reform back to it's normal self. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 09:21:24 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:21:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes At 11:41 PM 3/3/2004, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >Oil can be seen and avoided. (Generally if the color of the road surface >changes the traction changes, maybe better maybe worse, guess which way I >assume.) >A little bit of oil, assuming we are traveling at anything near a reasonable >speed, will not knock us down. Like I said if it is big enough to knock us >down we can see it in plenty of time to take action to prevent an accident. My examples were just that - examples of possible situations where you may lack control. It is a fallacy to assume you will be able to control every situation. Doing so sets you up for an even bigger potential letdown some day. Whether it is a mechanical failure, deer strike, or left turning motorist, sometimes things happen that really are outside of your control. To not believe that is to admit to having either a massive ego or a major delusion. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:08:58 2004 Subject: Summer Riding and Gear Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:12:43 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Thanks to everyone that replied with suggestions about gear. I think I will go with the Joe Rocket mesh jacket based on what I heard here. Thanks for all the offers of jackets as well guys I may still take one of you up on it. Spent a couple of hours riding around town last night and was wondering how exactly I would handle a deer coming at me on Canal Road. Has anyone on this list had a "when deer attack" moment? Little tired yesterday and I discovered for myself what happens when you take a turn too hot. I was coming off the 110 onto 395 South. The first turns were really smooth so I amped up the speed. I was looking left planning to come out in the left of the first "yield" lane. Well I cranked the throttle and was looking left so left is where I went. As I shot out of the curve I crossed the white line and drifted into another lane. I was not proud of myself as I thought about what would have happened if there was a car in that lane, or what would have happened if I had run out of road. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:28:44 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:28:31 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summer Riding and Gear X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 3/4/2004 10:12:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > > Spent a couple of hours riding around town last night and was wondering > how exactly I would handle a deer coming at me on Canal Road. Has > anyone on this list had a "when deer attack" moment? > Deerslayer Chuck, you wanna take this one? ;-) > Little tired yesterday and I discovered for myself what happens when you > take a turn too hot. I was coming off the 110 onto 395 South. The first > turns were really smooth so I amped up the speed. I was looking left > planning to come out in the left of the first "yield" lane. Well I > cranked the throttle and was looking left so left is where I went. As I > shot out of the curve I crossed the white line and drifted into another > lane. I was not proud of myself as I thought about what would have > happened if there was a car in that lane, or what would > have happened if > I had run out of road. You should be ashamed of yourself you hooligan you. ;-) Don't let it get to ya too much. It happens to the best of us. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:29:48 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summer Riding and Gear Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:29:36 -0500 Might have been more target fixation than taking the turn too hot. You go where you look, you said you looked left. Chuck Pena has a write up on his web site (address?) about hitting a deer. >From: "Julian Halton" >To: >Subject: Summer Riding and Gear >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:12:43 -0500 > >Little tired yesterday and I discovered for myself what happens when you >take a turn too hot. I was coming off the 110 onto 395 South. The first >turns were really smooth so I amped up the speed. I was looking left >planning to come out in the left of the first "yield" lane. Well I >cranked the throttle and was looking left so left is where I went. As I >shot out of the curve I crossed the white line and drifted into another >lane. I was not proud of myself as I thought about what would have >happened if there was a car in that lane, or what would have happened if >I had run out of road. > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:48:49 2004 Subject: Sort of OT: Toolboxes From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Mar 2004 10:45:23 -0500 Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. I was going to hit Home Depot or Lowe's this weekend and perhaps even Sears and see what I like. Thanks. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:52:35 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Personal Responsibility: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:58:07 -0500 "After midnight, two motorcycles were traveling together east on Forest Glen Road in Silver Spring when one, a 1994 Harley Davidson, went off the road . ." [Carl]: In addition to the previous posts, "Forest Rats" A.K.A. "Bambi's bastards" can be damn upsetting, especially when a line of 'em hop out in front of you. Fatigue, alcohol, and lack of expertise can lead you to do the wrong thing. "Slow down" was the best advise I saw. Look, if you're on Forest Glen Road, you likely have no more than 5 miles to travel. At 30 mph, it'll take you 10 minutes. At 40 mph, it'll take you 7.5 minutes. Sigh, but often, it isn't the time saved but the thrill of speed that prompts a twist of the fun lever. But there is a time for thrills, and a time to take it easy, minimize the risks, and arrive safely home to hug your honey. Sunday rusty etc. Bob Moaned: One of the reasons I ride year round is that I am not a good enough rider to be able to lay off for several months and then feel comfortable on the bike." [Carl]: And you teach MSF courses to remind yourself which bar to push when you want to turn left eh? 8^D The Evil One Commented Sardonically" Jeeze louise what do you have there, four horns? [Carl]: Yup, the stock horns and the tooters. A DTDP switch on the handlebar allows me to select betwixt a bland "beep" or a hearty "honk". Sometime you need a Bold Blast and sometimes you don't. (FWIW, the DTDP switch is encased in a film canister. Simple, cheap, and otherwise unavailable for bar mounts.) 'N while we're on the subject of Carls Here's some shots from Tall Carl in China: "Go to the bottom of the page and you'll see a baby ceptor that, despite its FireBlade stickers, is actually a babyceptor in quite good condition with offroad tires. Hheheheh...motorcycling over here is completely different. I found this beaut in a town called Chishui which was rather unpleasant to be in but the surrounding are was full of spectacular forests of bamboo and loaded with waterfalls. There are also some pictures of Chishui and Yunnan province on the page as well - this is where I spent my winter break." Someone remarked: "The Phoenix seems to be the original mesh jacket, but there are others out there from AGV, Fieldsheer, Alpinestars, act. Just letting you know." IIRC, BroshTec was the first mesh jacket. Before that Vanson had their perforated leather and a few had zipped vents. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:53:08 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Paper To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the > garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a > cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a > professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to > spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. > > I was going to hit Home Depot or Lowe's this weekend and perhaps even > Sears and see what I like. I had the same problem not too long ago. Sears sells the 3 piece (big bottom on wheels, 3/4 drawer center, and 4-5 drawer top w/ varying types of top drawer/roof shelf) in black/red and w/ or w/o ball bearing sliders on it. If you join the Craftsman club (free) you get an extra 10% off (big sale starts 3/7 - 3/14 for Craftsman club members) whatever sale they are already running. I picked up the 3-stack (as described) for something like $279 (before tax) on one of their big sales. Center piece ended up being free plus some good discounts on the top/bottom pieces. The wheels may seem like overkill, but if you ever have to move it (like slide it an inch left or right), you'll *have* to empty it before you can move it. Damn tools are heavy. -dave -- cerberus@XXXXXX "The only contributions France has given to popular culture in the last 50 years is Gerard Depardieu and that horny skunk." --SNL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:55:27 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:13:34 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes On 4 Mar 2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the > garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a > cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a > professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to > spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. The Sears in Bethesda had some closeout boxes near the front door yesterday when I was in there. Be sure to get a box that's bigger than you need. I have 2 large rolling cabinets and a smaller stacked set and they're all full. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 10:58:03 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:57:55 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: #(($man-PoserRide's newsletter survey To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX seems the dealership that dare not be named is thinking about opening an offroad riding area somewhere reasonably close by (1-1.5hrs from N.VA) and wants to guage the interest. Is the new management actually trying to turn that ship around? Mar 20 is also supposedly 50% off on helmets but I don't know if that means the whole selection or just the odd-ball sizes. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:00:19 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:59:20 -0500 Subject: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information OK team, how hard is it for a motivated newbie to replace his sprockets and chain with naught more than a rear stand and a stool for his rear end, a flat place in the alley behind his house, and a Clymer manual? I've been told that: 0) I need a dremel tool to get the OEM chain off, by grinding away one of the pin and forcing the link apart with a screw driver (I bet my drill with a grinding head would work just as well...); 1) I might need a 28mm or 30 mm socket to remove the front sprocket, and that my harware store will rent me one (need to check manual about this); 2) getting the masterlink press fit on the chain is an exercise in frustration; 3) that the ~$120 in parts makes it worth it to do myself: RK 520XSO RX-Ring Chain 110 Links - $53.95 (from http://www.mawonline.com/rk.htm) Front sprocket - $24.95 Rear sprocket - $25.88 Nut - $8.56 Lock washer - $1.10 (all from Bike Bandit) Thoughts? -Sean '92 Seca "Gummy cruddy tire... my precious!" II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:12:26 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:12:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Sean Steele , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele Subject: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions OK team, how hard is it for a motivated newbie to replace his sprockets and chain with naught more than a rear stand and a stool for his rear end, a flat place in the alley behind his house, and a Clymer manual? -------- Not very hard. -------- I've been told that: 0) I need a dremel tool to get the OEM chain off, by grinding away one of the pin and forcing the link apart with a screw driver (I bet my drill with a grinding head would work just as well...); -------- Yup. That's what I do. -------- 1) I might need a 28mm or 30 mm socket to remove the front sprocket, and that my harware store will rent me one (need to check manual about this); -------- You sure it's that big? I don't think mine's bigger than 14 mm. Those bigger sockets can prolly be borrowed from a friend. :) -------- 2) getting the masterlink press fit on the chain is an exercise in frustration; -------- Nah. Just takes a little practice. Some people, i.e., not me, have been known to use a pair of Vise-grips and a ball peen hammer to accomplish this task. Me, I've got the Motion Pro chain press and riveter kit. -------- 3) that the ~$120 in parts makes it worth it to do myself: -------- Is that an o-ring chain? At that price, it may be a standard chain. I've found Chapparal has better prices and service than MAW. RK 520XSO RX-Ring Chain 110 Links - $53.95 ................ Bottom line: an easily doable DIY project with a minimum of tools and fuss. Paul in DC - 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:14:08 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'matthew patton'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: (0|3man-PoserRide's newsletter survey Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:16:29 -0500 Feh. I saw that too. The way I see it, is that they want to keep sales up. They can't do that if people can't ride their junk anywhere around here. They open a pay to ride joint ($300 or some such!) and it's win-win for them. It's all about making mo money. Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [SMTP:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: #(($man-PoserRide's newsletter survey > > seems the dealership that dare not be named is thinking about opening > an offroad riding area somewhere reasonably close by (1-1.5hrs from > N.VA) and wants to guage the interest. Is the new management actually > trying to turn that ship around? Mar 20 is also supposedly 50% off on > helmets but I don't know if that means the whole selection or just the > odd-ball sizes. > > ===== > * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being > the right person. > > * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the > prisoner was you. > > * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. > - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:17:42 2004 Subject: RE: #(($man-PoserRide's newsletter survey Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:16:35 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "matthew patton" , X-imss-version: 2.0 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com I was in there last weekend, to sit on bikes, and although I'd seen a guy ride out a new V-Strom 1000, the salesperson I spoke to could not show me a single dual-sport bike. Okay, he did show me a Honda (something) 400 with street-legal signals and mirrors. No Aprilia Caponord (anyone seen one of those anywhere in the greater DC area?), no other V-Stroms, and had no clue about other potential models. As soon as he determined I was not there to buy one of the models actually on the showroom floor, he wandered off... He also stated that they had had problems getting Aprilias imported, except for some of the smaller scooter models (no Scarabeo 500s either, another nifty Aprilia model). There was a whole table of helmets for sale cheap, but most were the aformentioned oddball sizes, ugly-as-sin color schemes, or stuff found in the back of the warehouse dating back to the late eighties. Very small selection of riding gear for women, amusingly located under large sign reading "Leathers," so my riding partner was unable to even try on samples of some jackets. If I didn't live a whole mile from their showroom, I wouldn't even bother visiting to try on gear or sit on bikes. YMMV, of course. Robert -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: #(($man-PoserRide's newsletter survey seems the dealership that dare not be named is thinking about opening an offroad riding area somewhere reasonably close by (1-1.5hrs from N.VA) and wants to guage the interest. Is the new management actually trying to turn that ship around? Mar 20 is also supposedly 50% off on helmets but I don't know if that means the whole selection or just the odd-ball sizes. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:21:47 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "Paul Wilson" CC: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:20:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information > Is that an o-ring chain? At that price, it may be a standard chain. > > RK 520XSO RX-Ring Chain 110 Links - $53.95 Hmm, that's a good (and cost saving) point you raise. I think I found a much cheaper chain here: http://tinyurl.com/yvy6r -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:21:48 2004 Subject: RE: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:21:40 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" X-imss-version: 2.0 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@nextel.com I replaced chain and sprockets for both bikes (Yamaha FZR400 and Honda VF750F) last year. Piece of cake. I would recommend the Motion-Pro chain tool, though, it made the pressing out of the old link pin and the setting of the new one a breeze. Less mess than grinding, and far less danger of slipping and gouging the swing-arm or other bits. I was also appalled at the amount of grunge that had accumulated under the front sprocket cover, though. Looked like flung-off chain lube mixed with a couple of years of road grit, disgusting. ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele Subject: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions OK team, how hard is it for a motivated newbie to replace his sprockets and chain with naught more than a rear stand and a stool for his rear end, a flat place in the alley behind his house, and a Clymer manual? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:23:10 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I got a 4 drawer base with wheels from Sears for $99 or less. It was marketed as a "work center" and had a black plastic top with bins and junk. I tore the top off and viola, my base unit for $100 less than the exact same thing was going for beside it but labeled a "tool chest". My 5+3 top unit was again a Sears item pitched to be a chest for placing ontop of a workbench. I plopped it on top of my 'base' and I had a nice chest for <$200. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:29:58 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:29:49 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Personal Responsibility: To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Someone remarked: > "The Phoenix seems to be the original mesh jacket, but there are others out > there from AGV, Fieldsheer, Alpinestars, act. Just letting you know." > IIRC, BroshTec was the first mesh jacket. Before that Vanson had their > perforated leather and a few had zipped vents. First one I ever saw was the Kushitani, in California, over a year before the Joe Rocket appeared. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you)B’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:30:03 2004 Subject: RE: #(($man-PoserRide's newsletter survey From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Mar 2004 11:26:37 -0500 On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 11:16, Verde, Robert wrote: > I was in there last weekend, to sit on bikes, and although I'd seen a guy > ride out a new V-Strom 1000, the salesperson I spoke to could not show > me a single dual-sport bike. Okay, he did show me a Honda (something) > 400 with street-legal signals and mirrors. No Aprilia Caponord (anyone > seen one of those anywhere in the greater DC area?), no other V-Stroms, > and had no clue about other potential models. As soon as he determined > I was not there to buy one of the models actually on the showroom floor, > he wandered off... He also stated that they had had problems getting > Aprilias imported, except for some of the smaller scooter models (no > Scarabeo 500s either, another nifty Aprilia model). > Dunno about the different models however the coleman's in woodbridge has a couple in the showroom. > YMMV, of course. > IVBUOTT, of coursea > Robert > Carl [0] It Varies By Use Of The Throttle From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:42:13 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'pltrgyst@XXXXXX'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Summer Gear Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:47:44 -0500 > IIRC, BroshTec was the first mesh jacket. Before that Vanson had their > perforated leather and a few had zipped vents. First one I ever saw was the Kushitani, in California, over a year before the Joe Rocket appeared. -- Larry [Carl]: Aye, but IIRC, the Brosh Tec or BroshTex came out in 1998 or 99. Kewl, look at those pants. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:44:22 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:45:07 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes At 08:36 AM 3/4/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >...last summer while riding out in the back country of Va., I came around a blind curve, traveling well below the posted speed limit, I came upon a massive oil spill that ran completely across both lanes of the road and was at least 6 or 7 feet down the road. Guard rails on both sides, and even at my (slow) speed there was no way to avoid going through it. What if it had been a jackknifed semi or other solid obstruction? You'd have been a sorry mess! "Posted speed limit" != "safe speed" in all cases. It's just the fairly safe speed for most vehicles under average conditions for most of the roadway. They sometimes put up yellow advisory signs at particularly tight corners, but not always, especially on the uncrowded back roads we like. "Safe speed" is, among other things, a speed at which you can stop within the distance you can see clearly. "Blind corners" require a much slower speed than what is posted in most cases (as you found). So does fog, heavy rain, setting or rising sun, low traction road conditions (ice, rain, sand, etc.), and fatigue or other factors that affect your reaction time. If it limits your visible range or increases your stopping distance, it warrants a speed reduction, sometimes to well below the posted limit. >Instead, I just let off the throttle, pulled in the clutch, ratcheted up my spincter to "maximum" and rode as straight as I could through it. Sounds like you handled it OK, but as they say in flying, "Exemplary pilots use their exemplary judgement to avoid situations that call for their exemplary skills." >The rest of the ride was totally ruined because I was so paranoid to even lean the bike over a tiny bit until I found a drugstore and bought some rubbing alcohol and some papertowels and wiped the tires down as best I could. Does alcohol work for removing oil? I'd have guessed that a detergent (like dish soap) and some water would work better...it binds to grease and oil and makes it water soluble enough to float it away. I don't know what the chemistry of alcohol would do. Have to try it sometime. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 11:59:00 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Personal Responsibility: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:58:53 -0500 "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > > Someone remarked: > > "The Phoenix seems to be the original mesh jacket, but there are others out > > there from AGV, Fieldsheer, Alpinestars, act. Just letting you know." > > IIRC, BroshTec was the first mesh jacket. Before that Vanson had their > > perforated leather and a few had zipped vents. > > First one I ever saw was the Kushitani, in California, over a year before the Joe > Rocket appeared. You're likely to find significantly higher quality in the Kushitani stuff than Joe Rocket. Actually, I figure just about any other brand is going to have better workmanship. Joe Rocket uses the same materials as everyone else but doesn't seem careful about how they put it together (e.g., sewing too close to the edge of the fabric such that the fabric pulls away at the seam when any kind of stress is applied). I currently have their hard drive jacket, revolution pants, reactor jacket (like pheonix but with leather sleeves/shoulders), and pheonix pants. All of them have some kind of defect. The hard drive and reactor jackets have both been replaced under warranty due to issues like this (and the new ones aren't really better). I bought all this stuff at the same time (about 2.5 years ago). When I have the money I'll be replacing the hard drive/revolution stuff with another aerostich suit. I'll probably hang onto the mesh stuff until it falls apart... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:02:19 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:53:42 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Summer Riding and Gear At 10:12 AM 3/4/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >Spent a couple of hours riding around town last night and was wondering >how exactly I would handle a deer coming at me on Canal Road. Has >anyone on this list had a "when deer attack" moment? Not on a road, but I did on a runway once. It was my first supervised solo, just before sunset, at GAI (Montgomery County Airpark). I was on long final (just turned from the base leg) for my second landing and my instructor, who was down on the field watching me, called on the radio to tell me that there were deer on the field and to be prepared for a go-around (I always was anyway...landing is optional on any approach where the plane is still working :^). As I came over the fence I saw them crossing the runway about halfway down the 4096 foot strip. They looked like they'd be clear by the time I got there, but I hit the power and went around anyway. Why take a chance? Besides, it meant I got to fly some more! :^) I've seen them on roadways, but I've never had one try to commit suicide on my hood or front wheel. I hope it stays that way. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:02:22 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:01:59 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes At 10:45 AM 3/4/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation >for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the >garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a >cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a >professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to >spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. > >I was going to hit Home Depot or Lowe's this weekend and perhaps even >Sears and see what I like. Costco has some fairly nice ones for a decent price (I've seen Husky there before). Sears at Montgomery Mall has a very good selection, but you are going to be up around $500 for most of the full height cabinet styles no matter where you go if you buy new. Check out e-bay maybe? I have a roll-around one from Costco for my woodworking stuff, and it works pretty well. I think it was around $300 5 years or so ago. Chop saw is on the top of it, but you can also get another smaller drawer unit to go there too for another $150 or so. For mecahnics tools I picked up a "Rally Box" at Sears. Four drawers and a top tray in a portable metal unit (about twice the height of an average tool box, but the same size, and with handles on the ends). It was something like $70 I think. I'm thinking of building it a little roll-around caster unit as a way to practice welding angle iron. Doesn't really need it, but what the heck, any excuse! and being able to shove it around the garage without closing it up to lift it would be handy sometimes. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:21:56 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:21:49 -0500 Costo and Sams Club have some nice rollaround tool chests for much less than the local stores. Might want to check them out. -aki > > From: Carl Schelin > Date: 2004/03/04 Thu AM 10:45:23 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Sort of OT: Toolboxes > > Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the > garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a > cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a > professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to > spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. > > I was going to hit Home Depot or Lowe's this weekend and perhaps even > Sears and see what I like. > > Thanks. > > Carl > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:22:58 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:22:46 EST Subject: Re: Sunday brings out riding, wrecks, tire changes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/4/2004 8:37:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > ...last summer while riding out in the back country of Va., I came around a > blind curve, traveling well below the posted speed limit, I came upon a > massive oil spill that ran completely across both lanes of the road and was > at least 6 or 7 feet down the road. Crap! That one compressed my sphincter. BUT, it was big enough to see, you saw it on time to take action, you did not crash. BTW I would have put that in the "extremely rare" category if you had gone down. You did not, skill, preparation, and a cool head let you pull it out. And then you helped those who came after you! A great big GOOD ON YOU! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:24:54 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:24:35 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: Sean Steele CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mo' shade tree maintenance questions Sean, Yes, I work for a bike shop. Yes, I sell this stuff. I'm not trying to persuade you to buy anything from me. Just wanted to get that out of the way ( :D ) before I mention ... The first chain you link to on MAW says in the description "for 250cc - 350cc application". I would not put that chain on your bike. (Unless the description is a misprint, but at that price point, I doubt it is). The second chain you link to is a cheap roller chain. It is not an O-ring chain. It will stretch (yes, I know they claim it's "pre-stretched"), and you will need to lubricate it on a regular basis, unlike an O-Ring chain. It will also have to be replaced much sooner than a good O-Ring chain. Considering the fact that your chain is fairly important, and its failure could have rather nasty consequences ... I really recommend buying a quality O-Ring chain that's right for your bike :) Aside from that, it's not hard to change out your chain and sprockets. If you don't have a rivet link tool, or don't know someone who will let you use theirs, you're going to need a clip type master link unless you want to creatively install the rivet type. I wouldn't recommend either, but if you have to, use the clip type link. A dremmel or drill w/cutting tool is all you need to get the old one off and to size the new one. - Roach Sean Steele wrote: > Hmm, that's a good (and cost saving) point you raise. I think I found a > much cheaper chain here: http://tinyurl.com/yvy6r > > -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:27:14 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:27:09 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Carl Schelin cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes On 4 Mar 2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the > garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a > cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a > professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to > spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. get alot more space than you think you need.... I'm into 2 4-5' tall 26" wide cabinets and they are both full, and I'm thinking I may need to get another as I'm growing out of them. I'm hesitant to get one of the monster 48" wide units, even tho I'd love it, if I ever have to move it it would be a major bear, even empty. the 3-stack 26" wide units are not too bad even loaded for 2 people to move... the 48" wide units get into the 300-500lb empty range. Ball bearing slides are NIICE but for as much use as a home box will get the friction slides will be adequate and you can save upward of 50% on the box cost by getting the friction slides. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:33:46 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:33:36 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: Mike Bartman CC: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes Mike Bartman wrote: > Costco has some fairly nice ones for a decent price (I've seen Husky there > before). Sears at Montgomery Mall has a very good selection, but you are > going to be up around $500 for most of the full height cabinet styles no > matter where you go if you buy new. Check out e-bay maybe? Not at all ... 8 drawer roller at sears is $229. The more expensive ones have ball-bearing drawers and hold more weight, but if you don't need that ... the $229 is a good buy. They have others in that price range as well. http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00965807000 - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 4 12:33:49 2004 Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Toolboxes From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Mar 2004 12:30:23 -0500 On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 12:01, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:45 AM 3/4/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Since I'm sure we all wrench a bit, I'm interested in a recommendation > >for a tool chest. My tools are pretty much hanging on a pegboard in the > >garage. I do have a lot of tools and was thinking of a multi-drawer on a > >cabinet on wheels, much like the mechanics have. But I'm not a > >professional taking my cabinet from shop to shop so I don't need to > >spend $700 on a super duper cabinet either. > > > >I was going to hit Home Depot or Lowe's this weekend and perhaps even > >Sears and see what I like. > > Costco has some fairly nice ones for a decent price (I've seen Husky there > before). Sears at Montgomery Mall has a very good selection, but you are > going to be up around $500 for most of the full height cabinet styles no > matter where you go if you buy new. Check out e-bay maybe? > That or the paper was to be final check after looking at the different chests and getting a good idea on what to look out for. Ball bearing vs friction for example. > I have a roll-around one from Costco for my woodworking stuff, and it works > pretty well. I think it was around $300 5 years or so ago. Chop saw is on > the top of it, but you can also get another smaller drawer unit to go there > too for another $150 or so. > I'll add BJ's to my list of places to stop and shop. > For mecahnics tools I picked up a "Rally Box" at Sears. Four drawers and a > top tray in a portable metal unit (about twice the height of an average > tool box, but the same size, and with handles on the ends). It was > something like $70 I think. I'm thinking of building it a little > roll-around caster unit as a way to practice welding angle iron. Doesn't > really need it, but what the heck, any excuse! and being able to shove it > around the garage without closing it up to lift it would be handy sometimes. > Yea, that's the idea with the chest on wheels. Being able to move it to a better location or e