From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 12:25:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h21HP6Xo019429; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:25:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h21HP3t2019419; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:25:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030301172445.51572.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:24:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: two things.... To: Tom Gimer Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030301004440.7555.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Say that to my face pussy. I mean it. And leave you lawyer badge at home --- Tom Gimer wrote: > just checking in. been a while since i last posted, > but i > have been keeping loose track of some of the > threads. i > have two observations to make as a result of the > recent > list activity: > 1. i couldn't possibly care less who rode today, > yesterday, or the day before. there appear to be 3 > people > that actually give a shit. > 2. fuck kitchell. > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 14:08:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h21J87Xo021150; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:08:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h21J8272021134; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:08:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000d01c2e025$d1194060$6501a8c0@lap1> From: "Bruce" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <20030301172445.51572.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: two things.... Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:07:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Ooooooooo. Everyone meet behind the school after class! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Say that to my face pussy. > > I mean it. And leave you lawyer badge at home > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > just checking in. been a while since i last posted, > > but i > > have been keeping loose track of some of the > > threads. i > > have two observations to make as a result of the > > recent > > list activity: > > 1. i couldn't possibly care less who rode today, > > yesterday, or the day before. there appear to be 3 > > people > > that actually give a shit. > > 2. fuck kitchell. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 14:56:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h21JuLXo022626; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:56:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h21JuLPw022616; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:56:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002501c2e02e$82b23630$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <20030301172445.51572.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c2e025$d1194060$6501a8c0@lap1> Subject: Cabin Fever Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:09:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 And cabin fever sets in for the long haul... =8^) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" Cc: "DC Cycles" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: Re: two things.... > Ooooooooo. Everyone meet behind the school after class! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > > Say that to my face pussy. > > > > I mean it. And leave you lawyer badge at home > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > just checking in. been a while since i last posted, > > > but i > > > have been keeping loose track of some of the > > > threads. i > > > have two observations to make as a result of the > > > recent > > > list activity: > > > 1. i couldn't possibly care less who rode today, > > > yesterday, or the day before. there appear to be 3 > > > people > > > that actually give a shit. > > > 2. fuck kitchell. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 15:07:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h21K77Xo025165; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:07:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h21K7730025153; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:07:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030301140521.033508f8@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:07:11 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: two things.... In-Reply-To: <20030301172445.51572.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030301004440.7555.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ok, I want a clean fight! Nothing below the belt.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 15:56:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h21KuMXo026562; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:56:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h21KuLAr026552; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:56:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030301141205.00b77f00@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:56:25 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, erin Harper From: Sean Jordan Subject: How my Saturday ride turned into a Safari In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030301140521.033508f8@mail.mac.com> References: <20030301172445.51572.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <20030301004440.7555.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed So after not riding for the last 6 weeks, there finally came a convergence of right time, money, and weather to fix my bike (electrical gremlins) and go out for a ride. Since moving out to wonderful, wide, Murfreesboro Tennessee, (ok, it's neither wide nor wonderful), I haven't had the opportunity to go exploring. We've had nothing but solid rain and cold out here for the past two weeks, and today dawned with an overcast sky, with NO precipitation and temperatures in the mid to high 50's. I had heard of a road that leads out of town into a scenic, pastoral area, and decided I'd take a look. First major observation: There are no curved roads in this part of Tennessee. I don't think I've seen a obtusely angled turn or corner since I moved here. This road had some nice elevation changes, and some occasional deviations from its arrow-straight path, but nothing I would consider a corner. However, I was getting to ride, and it was a rather nice day, so it wasn't too disappointing. The CBR surged up and over a small ridge, and I was greeted by a short stretch of farms with a few small, brick ranch-style homes. Reaching the end of the row, I saw some sort of lawn-ornament animal off the right shoulder, about 25 yards ahead. Slowing down for a closer look, (in retrospect, very glad that I did!), the lawn-creature began to move, then suddenly sprung into my path. Long, tawny pen-feathers spread out into a wingspan of four feet or better...this was a large bird! The wings were followed by a long train of brightly colored tail feathers greater than the length of the rest of the bird. The strange animal continued its frenzied flight to the other side of the road while I continued to haul the Honda to a stop. Craning my neck around to my left, a now calm, fully grown Peacock pecked at the grass at the side of the road. I continued to stare in total amazement. The bird appeared to be quite healthy, and was probably the most stunning specimen of peacockdom I had ever seen. Assuming that this was someone's escaped pet or breeding animal, I went back to the nearest house where a farmer was walking his grounds with one of his dogs. "How's it going? Would you or any of your neighbors happen to raise peacocks? There's one walking around in the road right now." The farmer shrugged and said "Nope. It's just wild." "Wild?!" While my knowledge of American flora and fauna is not the greatest, I had never heard of the Wild Tennessee Peacock. "Did they get loose? Did someone abandon them out here?" "I don't rightly know", returned the farmer, "they've been here longer than I have." "How do they survive?" "They're a bird. They survive the same way other birds do." "Ah....ok." I told the farmer to take it easy, and put my gloves and helmet back on. Rolling to the end of his driveway, I looked to the left, then the right, and began to pull out back onto the road when I stopped dead in my tracks. Glaring at me from across the street was a pair or Bison. Actually, there was a small head of Buffalo, but only two were glaring at me. These must have been the two most influential of the Buffalo, because shortly after, the Zebras came over to take a look at me too. Thankfully, these beasts were confined behind a rather sturdy fence, and seemed to have no desire to run about in traffic like the flighty peacock. At this point, I decided I had better go back home while my luck held out. Who knows what I was going to see next. At that point I fully expected The Crocodile Hunter to come charging out of the brush before pausing, swaying on his crouched legs, and sweating slightly while pointing at my bike and exclaiming "CRIKEY! That's the most poisonous Honda in the Northern Hemisphere! Look at the size of her! Boy, ain't she a beaut!" I'm staying closer to town next time. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 16:46:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h21Lk3Xo029507; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:46:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h21Lk2Zg029493; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:46:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030301214600.18636.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:46:00 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Adam Wah" wrote: To: MLynch@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >You didn't even have to hit a CVS, ABC or local ol' >likker locker would have been just fine... maybe >better! (For the single malt drinkers in the crowd:) Finally -- a good use for that bottle of Loch Dhu you've been "saving"! -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 16:49:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h21LnKXo029572; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:49:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h21LnJwA029557; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:49:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030301214917.26770.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Who rode? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wayne Edelen wrote: >Screw that. I fired up my snowblower and did my >driveway and walk in about 10 minutes. Hmmm -- I never thought of using a Hayabusa as a snowblower, but it kinda makes sense if you think about it... All those years of listening to Blackbird owners saying "Busas blow" and I never understood what they meant. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 16:51:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h21LpOXo030774; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:51:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h21LpN7s030759; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:51:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004201c2e03e$953e7dd0$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Right-of-Way Violation Penalties Bill (HB 1114/SB 719) Filed Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:04:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FYI: ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: ABATE: Right-of-Way Violation Penalties Bill (HB 1114/SB 719) Filed > Right-of-Way Violation Penalties Bill (HB 1114/SB 719) > > > > This bill provides for increased penalties for right-of-way violations when > the violation contributes to an accident that results in bodily injury or > death of an another person. > > > > Under current law, the penalty for violating the right-of-way of another > vehicle is $60 and one point against the offenders' license. Even when a > right-of-way violation is combined with another charge like negligent > driving, the maximum fines and penalties for both charges would be $630 and > seven points. > > > > In many accidents of this nature, law enforcement and the courts cannot > justify a higher charge that would include more severe penalties and the > violators are given only minimal fines and penalties. This bill seeks to > give the courts the tools they need to penalize violators appropriately when > serious injury or death occurs. > > > > The bill was filed, but a hearing date has not yet been scheduled. > > > > Additional information about the bill can be located at > > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/sb0719.htm > > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/hb1114.htm > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 19:30:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h220U9Xo009759; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:30:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h220U88N009749; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:30:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030302003002.67598.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:30:02 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: two things.... To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <20030301004440.7555.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is it with all the flame bait lately? Is this the best you guys can come up with? Sheesh. Chris Weaver --- Tom Gimer wrote: > just checking in. been a while since i last posted, > but i > have been keeping loose track of some of the > threads. i > have two observations to make as a result of the > recent > list activity: > 1. i couldn't possibly care less who rode today, > yesterday, or the day before. there appear to be 3 > people > that actually give a shit. > 2. fuck kitchell. > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 20:11:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h221BnXo012321; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:11:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h221BmFq012306; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:11:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Gulf War II: Hitting the Road. Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:11:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c2e058$b576c980$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030108094158.0205d428@mail.troutman.org> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.156.189.53] at Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:11:38 -0600 Okay- Signing off for a while. I am heading to the Gulf for an extended stay with the 173rd Airborne Brigade... Have a great riding season everyone! Robby C. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 1 20:56:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h221u3Xo017323; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:56:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h221u2s2017313; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:56:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: rmcurtis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gulf War II: Hitting the Road. Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 20:55:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2003 01:55:54.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC1A1640:01C2E05E] Same words......Thank you and God speed! Rob From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Gulf War II: Hitting the Road. Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:11:52 -0500 Okay- Signing off for a while. I am heading to the Gulf for an extended stay with the 173rd Airborne Brigade... Have a great riding season everyone! Robby C. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 08:07:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22D7iXo002866; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 08:07:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22D7hAk002853; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 08:07:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003b01c2e0bc$b402efc0$6600a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: , "erin Harper" References: <20030301172445.51572.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <20030301004440.7555.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030301141205.00b77f00@mail.mac.com> Subject: Re: How my Saturday ride turned into a Safari Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 08:07:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609c0606bed5352be0edcceaba09c74322b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > We've had nothing but solid rain and cold out here for the past two weeks At least you don't have to shovel rain > There are no curved roads in this part of Tennessee. We'll take care of that in June > This road had some nice elevation changes... We'll have those, too :-) And I'm glad to see that you're expanding your horizons beyone plebian deer - anyone can hit one of those... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 08:45:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22Dj9Xo005368; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 08:45:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22Dj8Fh005357; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 08:45:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 08:44:49 -0500 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Gulf War II: Hitting the Road. In-reply-to: <001401c2e058$b576c980$6401a8c0@cypher> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030302084407.040bf700@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030108094158.0205d428@mail.troutman.org> At 08:11 PM 3/1/2003 -0500, Rob Curtis wrote: >Okay- Signing off for a while. I am heading to the Gulf for an extended stay >with the 173rd Airborne Brigade... Have a great riding season everyone! Keep your wits about you and come home safe. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 10:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22FQoXo008663; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:26:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22FQnA7008653; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:26:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:44:22 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Who rode? In-Reply-To: <20030301214917.26770.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Larry Larson wrote: > Hmmm -- I never thought of using a Hayabusa as a > snowblower, but it kinda makes sense if you think > about it... All those years of listening to Blackbird > owners saying "Busas blow" and I never understood what they > meant. > > -- Larry Is this what's become of dc-cycles? Mark hurling insults at all MD/VA residents, Tom hurling insults at Mark, Mark using his best Internet muscles to challenge Tom? And now we insult each other's rides? :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 10:49:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22FnTXo011146; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:49:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22FnSl9011136; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:49:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ab01c2e0d3$3a53ffe0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: Subject: Re: Who rode? Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:48:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c885ef508c86586a3c4bba64c567b7aa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Wayne wondered: > > Is this what's become of dc-cycles? Mark hurling insults at all MD/VA > residents, Tom hurling insults at Mark, Mark using his best Internet > muscles to challenge Tom? And now we insult each other's rides? :-\ [Dave] c'mon Wayne. How many times have you heard the term "eyeabuser" ? ;-) Brings to mind, what with all the Parked Motorcycle Syndrome going on... Who's had the most entertaining flame fest ? One has to at least honorably mention Squeakers when researching DCC lore. OTOH, the famous Gimer / Anker exchange was fairly entertaining... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 10:57:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22Fv4Xo013564; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:57:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22Fv4nR013549; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:57:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030302155641.36693.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:56:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: two things.... To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030301172445.51572.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii that would be pretty damn satisfying -- for me and for the kitchell fan club members flooding my inbox with encouragement. oh, the peer pressure mounts. while i consider pissing away my career over such an honorable cause, please continue your practice of alternating posts between (i) ultrahypersensitive and (ii) thoughtless, offensive drivel. without your social guidance and insight -- the kitchell teachings -- we are really no more than suburban scum. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Say that to my face pussy. > > I mean it. And leave you lawyer badge at home > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > just checking in. been a while since i last posted, > > but i > > have been keeping loose track of some of the > > threads. i > > have two observations to make as a result of the > > recent > > list activity: > > 1. i couldn't possibly care less who rode today, > > yesterday, or the day before. there appear to be 3 > > people > > that actually give a shit. > > 2. fuck kitchell. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 11:00:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22G0sXo015963; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:00:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22G0sq1015952; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:00:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:18:26 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Who rode? In-Reply-To: <00ab01c2e0d3$3a53ffe0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > > Is this what's become of dc-cycles? Mark hurling insults at all MD/VA > > residents, Tom hurling insults at Mark, Mark using his best Internet > > muscles to challenge Tom? And now we insult each other's rides? :-\ > > [Dave] c'mon Wayne. How many times have you heard the term "eyeabuser" ? > ;-) Sure, but it's generally good natured ribbing or something along those lines. I truly could not care less what Larry thinks of my choices in vehicles, but the tone of the list is what prompted my response. > Brings to mind, what with all the Parked Motorcycle Syndrome going on... I suppose that may be the cause of all the anger on the list lately. I've been using this down time to make mods on my race car and my motorcycle. I should be ready to race/ride both when the warm/dry weather comes :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 13:38:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22IcOXo020331; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:38:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22IcHFf020316; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:38:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030302183816.83998.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: two things.... To: Tom Gimer Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030302155641.36693.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii any week day 1646 wisconsin ave you won't though. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > that would be pretty damn satisfying -- for me and > for the > kitchell fan club members flooding my inbox with > encouragement. oh, the peer pressure mounts. > > while i consider pissing away my career over such an > honorable cause, please continue your practice of > alternating posts between (i) ultrahypersensitive > and (ii) > thoughtless, offensive drivel. without your social > guidance and insight -- the kitchell teachings -- we > are > really no more than suburban scum. > > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Say that to my face pussy. > > > > I mean it. And leave you lawyer badge at home > > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > just checking in. been a while since i last > posted, > > > but i > > > have been keeping loose track of some of the > > > threads. i > > > have two observations to make as a result of the > > > recent > > > list activity: > > > 1. i couldn't possibly care less who rode > today, > > > yesterday, or the day before. there appear to > be 3 > > > people > > > that actually give a shit. > > > 2. fuck kitchell. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 14:44:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22Ji8Xo023030; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:44:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22Ji5iW023015; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:44:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 14:43:50 -0500 From: Dan Brown Subject: mmm... X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030302144242.03cd4c28@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT New battery charged and installed, engine started, cobwebs knocked out of the pipes. :-) -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 14:53:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22JroXo027897; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:53:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22Jrn10027882; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:53:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030302144216.028f6910@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 14:43:51 -0500 To: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: mmm... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030302144242.03cd4c28@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Man, I don't even want to fscking hear it. Some problem here at work requires my presence for some length of time. I'm not pleased and since I'm exempt, I don't even get overtime :-/ Someone hit the road for me. Carl At 02:43 PM 3/2/03 -0500, Dan Brown wrote: >New battery charged and installed, engine started, cobwebs knocked >out of the pipes. > >:-) > > >-- >Resist or Serve > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 17:02:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22M2PXo031998; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:02:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22M2Mak031983; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:02:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030302220220.11244.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:02:20 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Gulf War II: Hitting the Road. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Those who don't know Rob may not know what he does for a living - he's a civilian photographer for the Army Times (IIRC). I think it's especially admirable that he's going into harm's way when he has a choice in the matter. Get some good photos, Rob, and don't forget to sit on your helmet when you're in the Huey! Chris Weaver --- Rob Keiser wrote: > Same words......Thank you and God speed! > > Rob (Keiser) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 18:28:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22NSAXo003775; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:28:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22NS9h2003765; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:28:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030302232806.5665.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:28:06 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Gulf War II: Hitting the Road. To: Rob Curtis , "'DCCycles'" In-Reply-To: <001401c2e058$b576c980$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rob Curtis wrote: > Okay- Signing off for a while. I am heading to the Gulf > for an extended stay > with the 173rd Airborne Brigade... Have a great riding > season everyone! Sky Soldiers -- one of my old units from 'Nam. Stay safe. Regards, Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 18:30:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22NURXo007329; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:30:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22NUQBO007314; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:30:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030302233022.6032.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Who rode? To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ummm, joke alert, Wayne. I have neither a Blackbird nor a Busa, and have no amicus either way. -- Larry --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Larry Larson wrote: > > > Hmmm -- I never thought of using a Hayabusa as a > > snowblower, but it kinda makes sense if you think > > about it... All those years of listening to Blackbird > > owners saying "Busas blow" and I never understood what > they > > meant. > > > > -- Larry > > Is this what's become of dc-cycles? Mark hurling insults > at all MD/VA > residents, Tom hurling insults at Mark, Mark using his > best Internet > muscles to challenge Tom? And now we insult each other's > rides? :-\ > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 18:34:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22NYvXo010887; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:34:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22NYuB0010872; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:34:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030302233454.46572.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Who rode? To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wayne Edelen wrote: >.... I truly could not care less what Larry thinks of > my choices in > vehicles,... Ummm, Wayne, I from the vehicle counts in the insurance thread, I wasn't aware that you *made* any vehicle choices -- I assumed you just bought one of everything. -- Larry v v v v v (smiley alert for the dc-cycles attempted-humor impaired) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 18:38:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22NcPXo014469; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:38:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h22NcOfX014454; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:38:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030302233822.4839.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:38:22 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: two things.... To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030302183816.83998.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow, a guy who wants to fight anybody who says "Fuck Kitchell"! How did you ever live to the ripe old age of 18 (assuming you're there yet)? Maybe Rob could wheedle you a press pass to accompany him with the 173d so you could get a taste of what really matters... -- Larry --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > any week day > > 1646 wisconsin ave > > you won't though. > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > that would be pretty damn satisfying -- for me and > > for the > > kitchell fan club members flooding my inbox with > > encouragement. oh, the peer pressure mounts. > > > > while i consider pissing away my career over such an > > honorable cause, please continue your practice of > > alternating posts between (i) ultrahypersensitive > > and (ii) > > thoughtless, offensive drivel. without your social > > guidance and insight -- the kitchell teachings -- we > > are > > really no more than suburban scum. > > > > > > > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Say that to my face pussy. > > > > > > I mean it. And leave you lawyer badge at home > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > just checking in. been a while since i last > > posted, > > > > but i > > > > have been keeping loose track of some of the > > > > threads. i > > > > have two observations to make as a result of the > > > > recent > > > > list activity: > > > > 1. i couldn't possibly care less who rode > > today, > > > > yesterday, or the day before. there appear to > > be 3 > > > > people > > > > that actually give a shit. > > > > 2. fuck kitchell. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 2 19:25:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h230PZXo024488; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:25:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h230PYmh024476; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:25:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030302191819.056bc030@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:39:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Who rode? In-Reply-To: <20030302233454.46572.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:34 PM 3/2/03 -0800, Larry Larson wrote: >Wayne Edelen wrote: > >.... I truly could not care less what Larry thinks of > > my choices in > > vehicles,... > >Ummm, Wayne, I from the vehicle counts in the insurance >thread, I wasn't aware that you *made* any vehicle choices >-- I assumed you just bought one of everything. > >-- Larry > >v > >(smiley alert for the dc-cycles attempted-humor impaired) http://www.blueblackbusa.org/wayne.wav It's disappointing to see so many people turn into keyboard warriors on the list, though. :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 07:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23CkLXo031755; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:46:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23CkHo3031740; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:46:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , Tom Gimer Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: two things.... Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:46:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Leave the drama off the list. Just my .02 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:25 PM To: Tom Gimer Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: two things.... Say that to my face pussy. I mean it. And leave you lawyer badge at home --- Tom Gimer wrote: > just checking in. been a while since i last posted, > but i > have been keeping loose track of some of the > threads. i > have two observations to make as a result of the > recent > list activity: > 1. i couldn't possibly care less who rode today, > yesterday, or the day before. there appear to be 3 > people > that actually give a shit. > 2. fuck kitchell. > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 07:47:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23ClFXo031811; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:47:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23ClF2S031796; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:47:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Bruce'" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: two things.... Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:47:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain That's about the size of it. People tend to talk big stuff over e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:08 PM Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: two things.... Ooooooooo. Everyone meet behind the school after class! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Say that to my face pussy. > > I mean it. And leave you lawyer badge at home > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > just checking in. been a while since i last posted, > > but i > > have been keeping loose track of some of the > > threads. i > > have two observations to make as a result of the > > recent > > list activity: > > 1. i couldn't possibly care less who rode today, > > yesterday, or the day before. there appear to be 3 > > people > > that actually give a shit. > > 2. fuck kitchell. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 10:09:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23F9PXo007262; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:09:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23F9OS1007247; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:09:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 10:08:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Who rode? To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E636FEC.72D6FA94@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Wayne Edelen wrote: > Is this what's become of dc-cycles? Mark hurling insults at all MD/VA > residents, Tom hurling insults at Mark, Mark using his best Internet > muscles to challenge Tom? And now we insult each other's rides? :-\ Sounds healthy and normal to me. Oh yeah, and chain drive bikes suck. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 10:21:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23FLGXo010882; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:21:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23FLF0A010867; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:21:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E637254.F922831F@tasam.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 10:18:44 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who rode? References: <3E636FEC.72D6FA94@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > Is this what's become of dc-cycles? Mark hurling insults at all MD/VA > > residents, Tom hurling insults at Mark, Mark using his best Internet > > muscles to challenge Tom? And now we insult each other's rides? :-\ > > Sounds healthy and normal to me. > > Oh yeah, and chain drive bikes suck. :) > > Horkster and you CAN'T wheelie *or countersteer* a shaftie. :~) Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 10:23:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23FNgXo014478; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:23:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23FNgTW014463; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:23:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030303152340.80293.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:23:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Who rode? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3E637254.F922831F@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I like Hyabusas! Any one fall on the black ice?? --- Skip wrote: > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > > > Is this what's become of dc-cycles? Mark > hurling insults at all MD/VA > > > residents, Tom hurling insults at Mark, Mark > using his best Internet > > > muscles to challenge Tom? And now we insult > each other's rides? :-\ > > > > Sounds healthy and normal to me. > > > > Oh yeah, and chain drive bikes suck. :) > > > > Horkster > > and you CAN'T wheelie *or countersteer* a shaftie. > > :~) > > Skip > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 10:42:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23FgTXo018148; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:42:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23FgTZg018138; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:42:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6377AF.2CC3F3D3@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 10:41:35 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Who rode? References: <20030303152340.80293.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > I like Hyabusas! > > Any one fall on the black ice?? Not me. You have to go outside to fall on black ice. I'm hibernating until the hopefully warmer climes tommorrow. Laugh, but wait a few decades when y`all realize arthritus has reared it's ugly head and your old joints lose lubrication and an hour in the cold has you walking like The Mummy (Re: 50s vintage B&W Creature Feature that also featured an overly endowed starlet attempting to escape the Creature while wearing a see-thru nightie - *snort - drool*) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:09:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23G96Xo021971; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:09:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23G95Yr021961; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:09:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 11:08:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Who rode? To: Skip Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E637E16.F6EC3D93@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3E636FEC.72D6FA94@XXXXXX> <3E637254.F922831F@XXXXXX> Skip wrote: > and you CAN'T wheelie *or countersteer* a shaftie. > > :~) just keep on thinking that... :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:20:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23GKnXo024453; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:20:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23GKkSA024438; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:20:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Who rode? Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:20:38 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640930F@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Who rode? Thread-Index: AcLhmjkbFcyA5sLoThW6TVoOTvcQ5AABUpOg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "DC Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h23GKjXo024426 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Any one fall on the black ice?? Almost. I was going through a turn at about 40 when I noticed lots of water (and probably ice) in my lane. I had cars just behind me in both left and right lanes (3 lane road), so I decided to go through the water/ice. (It was too late to stop) For some reason I decided to pull in the clutch trying to coast through it, but I lost traction in the back tire anyway. The back tire did a little "S" slide and - amazingly - corrected itself. This was my first slide ever, and it wasn't as scary as I thought it would be. And yes, I do feel very lucky today. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:26:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23GQjXo028093; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:26:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23GQjDZ028066; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:26:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030303162642.63789.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:26:42 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Who rode? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640930F@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii More the reason its just not worth it to ride when the temps are (way) under freezing... Glenn --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services > Almost. I was going through a turn at about 40 when > I noticed lots of water (and probably ice) in my > lane. I had cars just behind me in both left and > right lanes (3 lane road), so I decided to go > through the water/ice. (It was too late to stop) > For some reason I decided to pull in the clutch > trying to coast through it, but I lost traction in > the back tire anyway. The back tire did a little > "S" slide and - amazingly - corrected itself. This > was my first slide ever, and it wasn't as scary as I > thought it would be. > > And yes, I do feel very lucky today. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:27:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23GR3Xo028143; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:27:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23GR2Dj028132; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:27:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030303162655.941.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:26:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: two things.... To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030302183816.83998.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii having considered the risks/rewards, i must respectlessly decline the invitation. you're obviously a bad-ass. and, accordingly, you have my permission to tell the rest of the sixth grade class that you beat my ass unmercifully. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > any week day > > 1646 wisconsin ave > > you won't though. > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > that would be pretty damn satisfying -- for me and > > for the > > kitchell fan club members flooding my inbox with > > encouragement. oh, the peer pressure mounts. > > > > while i consider pissing away my career over such an > > honorable cause, please continue your practice of > > alternating posts between (i) ultrahypersensitive > > and (ii) > > thoughtless, offensive drivel. without your social > > guidance and insight -- the kitchell teachings -- we > > are > > really no more than suburban scum. > > > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Say that to my face pussy. > > > > > > I mean it. And leave you lawyer badge at home > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > 2. fuck kitchell. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:29:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23GTaXo031768; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:29:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23GTZ9a031753; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:29:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030303162933.66627.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:29:33 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: two things.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030303162655.941.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii More like a Jackass. Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > you're obviously a bad-ass. and, accordingly, you > have my > permission to tell the rest of the sixth grade class > that > you beat my ass unmercifully. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:34:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23GYFXo006603; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:34:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23GYFqE006588; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:34:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Who rode? Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:34:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030303152340.80293.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030303152340.80293.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303031134262R.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 03 March 2003 10:23, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I like Hyabusas! > > Any one fall on the black ice?? > Didn't someone slide a few weeks back in an intersection and lay it down? Maybe it was just an e-mail of a previous event. The roads looked pretty clear this morning. There were a couple of wet spots up near the Pentagon. Down by Springfield I hit a bike eater pothole square on. Fortunately I was sitting up straight rather than slouched but I'm still feeling the jar in my back. The bike looks ok. No dented rim or anything. Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:36:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23GacXo010259; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:36:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23Gacc1010244; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:36:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030303163635.66785.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:36:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Who rode? To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640930F@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You were lucky lucky lucky. Same thing happened to me two weeks ago, but the correction never happened. My old VFR is no worse for the wear, would not want to see your new R6 do the same.... --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Any one fall on the black ice?? > > Almost. I was going through a turn at about 40 when > I noticed lots of water (and probably ice) in my > lane. I had cars just behind me in both left and > right lanes (3 lane road), so I decided to go > through the water/ice. (It was too late to stop) > For some reason I decided to pull in the clutch > trying to coast through it, but I lost traction in > the back tire anyway. The back tire did a little > "S" slide and - amazingly - corrected itself. This > was my first slide ever, and it wasn't as scary as I > thought it would be. > > And yes, I do feel very lucky today. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:36:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23GakXo010288; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:36:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23Gaks4010276; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:36:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who rode? Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:36:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030303162642.63789.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030303162642.63789.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303031136582S.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 03 March 2003 11:26, Glenn Dysart wrote: > More the reason its just not worth it to ride when the > temps are (way) under freezing... > Jeeze, it was only 29 this morning. It's not _that_ far under freezing. You know what they say... A bad day on a bike is better than a good day in a cage. :-) :-) :-) > Glenn > Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:38:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23GcsXo014004; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:38:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23GcrZI013989; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:38:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030303163846.51569.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:38:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Who rode? To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0303031136582S.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes but is a bad crash in a car better than a good spill on a bike? --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Monday 03 March 2003 11:26, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > More the reason its just not worth it to ride when > the > > temps are (way) under freezing... > > > > Jeeze, it was only 29 this morning. It's not _that_ > far under freezing. > > You know what they say... > > A bad day on a bike is better than a good day in a > cage. > > :-) :-) :-) > > > Glenn > > > > Carl > -- > There is no patch for > stupidity. > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, > Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for > phone and address > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:47:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23GlaXo022529; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:47:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23GlZ5d022519; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:47:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Who rode? Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:47:29 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409310@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Who rode? Thread-Index: AcLhoxBv/J1+BO/BQtSO+CISXsIruAAAEWrA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h23GlYXo022507 When I got up this morning, it *seemed* like a great day to ride. (like yesterday!) The sun was beaming down and my apartment was getting unusually hot. Things looked pretty nice when I looked outside. Then I checked the weather and saw that the temps are in low teens in No VA, but by that point, I really wanted to ride. I figured that the roads would be clear, and that my biggest obstacles would be in the form of newly created gigantic potholes - you know, the ones that even cars slow down for. What happed to you 2 weeks ago? I missed it. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:37 AM > To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Who rode? > > > You were lucky lucky lucky. > > Same thing happened to me two weeks ago, but the > correction never happened. My old VFR is no worse for > the wear, would not want to see your new R6 do the > same.... > > > --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services > wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mark Kitchell > > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > Any one fall on the black ice?? > > > > Almost. I was going through a turn at about 40 when > > I noticed lots of water (and probably ice) in my > > lane. I had cars just behind me in both left and > > right lanes (3 lane road), so I decided to go > > through the water/ice. (It was too late to stop) > > For some reason I decided to pull in the clutch > > trying to coast through it, but I lost traction in > > the back tire anyway. The back tire did a little > > "S" slide and - amazingly - corrected itself. This > > was my first slide ever, and it wasn't as scary as I > > thought it would be. > > > > And yes, I do feel very lucky today. > > > > Witold > > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 11:49:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23GnoXo023855; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:49:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23GnoQH023839; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:49:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030303164948.69348.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Who rode? To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409310@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just hit some black ice on Fla ave. Rear slipped out and I fell down. Scared the cars behind me more than me, to be honest. I guess I have one more scratch on the fairing thats all. --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > When I got up this morning, it *seemed* like a great > day to ride. (like yesterday!) The sun was beaming > down and my apartment was getting unusually hot. > Things looked pretty nice when I looked outside. > Then I checked the weather and saw that the temps > are in low teens in No VA, but by that point, I > really wanted to ride. I figured that the roads > would be clear, and that my biggest obstacles would > be in the form of newly created gigantic potholes - > you know, the ones that even cars slow down for. > > What happed to you 2 weeks ago? I missed it. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:37 AM > > To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services; > DC Cycles > > Subject: RE: Who rode? > > > > > > You were lucky lucky lucky. > > > > Same thing happened to me two weeks ago, but the > > correction never happened. My old VFR is no worse > for > > the wear, would not want to see your new R6 do the > > same.... > > > > > > --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services > > wrote: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mark Kitchell > > > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > > Any one fall on the black ice?? > > > > > > Almost. I was going through a turn at about 40 > when > > > I noticed lots of water (and probably ice) in my > > > lane. I had cars just behind me in both left > and > > > right lanes (3 lane road), so I decided to go > > > through the water/ice. (It was too late to > stop) > > > For some reason I decided to pull in the clutch > > > trying to coast through it, but I lost traction > in > > > the back tire anyway. The back tire did a > little > > > "S" slide and - amazingly - corrected itself. > This > > > was my first slide ever, and it wasn't as scary > as I > > > thought it would be. > > > > > > And yes, I do feel very lucky today. > > > > > > Witold > > > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 12:08:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23H8lXo030120; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:08:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23H8lNk030110; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:08:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:07:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Who rode? To: Mark Kitchell Cc: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E638BCD.5479F537@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030303163846.51569.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Yes but is a bad crash in a car better than a good > spill on a bike? If it means one less car on the road, then hell yes. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 12:09:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23H9rXo031401; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:09:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23H9rRJ031386; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:09:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030303170951.63947.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:09:51 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Who rode? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0303031136582S.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Jeeze, it was only 29 this morning. It's not _that_ > far under freezing. > I don't where you were but the weather bug on my computer still shows it at 22 in Annandale and Fox News right now shows it at 25. > You know what they say... > > A bad day on a bike is better than a good day in a > cage. > True but I would rather hit a patch of ice in a cage then on a bike! Glenn __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 12:12:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23HCHXo032707; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:12:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23HCGs9032692; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:12:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49205@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Who rode? Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:21:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain NO. BTDT in both cases. Good spill on a bike and you dust yourself off and put another layer of duct tape on the turn signal stalk. Bad crash in a car and you land on the hood and the paramedics take pictures of the scene and when your male friends see you they cry. You must have meant some other scenario. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:39 AM > To: Carl Schelin; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Who rode? > > Yes but is a bad crash in a car better than a good > spill on a bike? > > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > You know what they say... > > > > A bad day on a bike is better than a good day in a > > cage. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 12:28:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23HSNXo008946; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:28:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23HSMBE008936; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:28:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: pot holes Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:16:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2003 17:16:36.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5A89780:01C2E1A8] I lost a cage tire to a pot hole last night. Anyone know if shopping centers can be held resposible for damage caused by a pothole on their property? >From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" >To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" > >Subject: RE: Who rode? >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:47:29 -0500 > figured that the roads would be clear, and that my biggest obstacles would be in the form of newly created gigantic potholes - you know, the ones that even cars slow down for. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 12:40:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23HeLXo014138; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:40:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23HeLkA014130; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:40:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who rode? Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:40:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030303170951.63947.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030303170951.63947.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303031240262V.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 03 March 2003 12:09, Glenn Dysart wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Jeeze, it was only 29 this morning. It's not _that_ > > far under freezing. > > I don't where you were but the weather bug on my > computer still shows it at 22 in Annandale and Fox > News right now shows it at 25. > I'm in DC right now but this morning at around 4:30am it was 29 degrees. It sure felt colder with that wind blowing me sideways. I can agree with it being colder now though. > > You know what they say... > > > > A bad day on a bike is better than a good day in a > > cage. > > True but I would rather hit a patch of ice in a cage > then on a bike! > Depends on who's around and other circumstances. Most of the time I can pick up the bike and, after checking for fenders rubbing the tires, continue on. A car would likely be ok but an SUV will probably turtle :-) > Glenn > Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 12:57:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23HvLXo018002; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:57:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23HvLvW017992; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:57:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D56@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: carbs Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:57:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I hate to interrupt with a motorcycle question, but I was curious about my carbs. I parked my CBR600F4 at the beginning of December and haven't touched it since. It's been kept in an unheated garage under cover and I pulled the battery which I left hooked up to my Battery Tender. The tank is half full but I neglected to add any fuel stabilizer. What are the chances that the carbs will be gummed up with varnish a this point? Are commercial carb cleaners safe, or useful? Should I just ride go ahead and ride it? Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 13:02:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23I28Xo020696; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:02:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23I27Fg020689; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:02:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030303180158.96222.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:01:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: carbs To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D56@NCEAEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If its been since the beginning of Dec, there is a good chance you are ok. Buy some stabil and use it (do it today). Also, ride the bike around before you add the stabil. To see if you need to clean the carbs. I do not think there is anything you can pour into the tank to safely clean moto-carbs? And I thought you meant the Atkins diet.... --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > I hate to interrupt with a motorcycle question, but > I was curious about my > carbs. I parked my CBR600F4 at the beginning of > December and haven't > touched it since. It's been kept in an unheated > garage under cover and I > pulled the battery which I left hooked up to my > Battery Tender. The tank is > half full but I neglected to add any fuel > stabilizer. What are the chances > that the carbs will be gummed up with varnish a this > point? Are commercial > carb cleaners safe, or useful? Should I just ride > go ahead and ride it? > > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Washington, DC > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 13:18:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23IIRXo024527; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:18:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23IIRJG024517; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:18:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E639C3E.48CB8218@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:17:34 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: pot holes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rich hall wrote: > I lost a cage tire to a pot hole last night. > Anyone know if shopping centers can be held resposible for damage caused by > a pothole on their property? Hardy har har! As a former tenent (15 years) in a shopping center, I firmly believe all shopping centers are owned and managed by mega-pricks who's fav expression is "Not our problem". This included roofs that functioned like window screens under a rainfall, parking lot lighting failures, and customers who suffered muggings, rapes, and accidents. Hey, those greedy bastards aren't about to give up their bottom line $$$. Shopping centers take at least 5% off the tenents gross sales income, more than those financial criminals known as credit card companys take off a sale. Yes, in addition to charging the card holder interest, the CC companys exact a fee from the merchent, percentage based on gross monthly CC sales. I am so happy to be a semi-retired self-employed bum. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 13:25:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23IP4Xo027066; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:25:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23IP4Mi027051; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:25:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D58@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: pot holes Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:24:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey, those greedy bastards aren't about to give up their bottom line $$$. Shopping centers take at least 5% off the tenents gross sales income, more than those financial criminals known as credit card companys take off a sale. Yes, in addition to charging the card holder interest, the CC companys exact a fee from the merchent, percentage based on gross monthly CC sales. I am so happy to be a semi-retired self-employed bum. Bill Sounds like you had Combined Properties as a landlord. It was pretty funny watching the Haft family implode after years of crap from their company. Cedric From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 13:30:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23IUjXo028353; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:30:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23IUd7a028338; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:30:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E639F1A.EE89D88E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:29:46 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: carbs References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D56@NCEAEXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could do the gas sniff test. If it smells really funny you're in deep defecant. But I'd just start the bugger up and hope it's okay. It'll probably run fine. I have used gas additive cleaners but some of the older japanese bikes and outboards didn't like them, something to do with the synthetic needle seats going bonkers and disintegrating or swelling shut. Bill bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > I hate to interrupt with a motorcycle question, but I was curious about my > carbs. I parked my CBR600F4 at the beginning of December and haven't > touched it since. It's been kept in an unheated garage under cover and I > pulled the battery which I left hooked up to my Battery Tender. The tank is > half full but I neglected to add any fuel stabilizer. What are the chances > that the carbs will be gummed up with varnish a this point? Are commercial > carb cleaners safe, or useful? Should I just ride go ahead and ride it? > > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 13:33:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23IXwXo032114; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:33:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23IXwBR032102; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:33:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E639FE1.7E3EEC74@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:33:05 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: pot holes References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D58@NCEAEXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey, those greedy bastards aren't about to give up their bottom line $$$. > Shopping centers take at least 5% off the tenents gross sales income, more > than > those financial criminals known as credit card companys take off a sale. > Yes, > in addition to charging the card holder interest, the CC companys exact a > fee > from the merchent, percentage based on gross monthly CC sales. > > I am so happy to be a semi-retired self-employed bum. > > Bill > > Sounds like you had Combined Properties as a landlord. It was pretty funny > watching the Haft family implode after years of crap from their company. > Cedric Bingo! You da man! Yeppers, Haft and company. I had the thrill of contributing to the derailment of their attempt to buy out another drug chain. And lemme tell you, every time another disastor kneecapped that cadre of dickheads I'd crack open the jugga scotch and toast their demise. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 13:59:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23IxOXo002436; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:59:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23IxKUA002421; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:59:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [65.216.176.5] From: "Jim Sharifi" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: carbs Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:47:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2003 18:47:19.0107 (UTC) FILETIME=[516AA930:01C2E1B5] Mine had been parked outside since the end of december as well. I didn't put in any stabilizer, and I was worried about my carbs as well (normally I ride through the winter, but this one was a little cold and snowy for me). Anyway, after charging the battery, it started up fine yesterday. I'm pretty sure you'll be okay, considering mine was stuck in a snow drift for two months. >From: bernescut@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: carbs >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:57:11 -0500 > >I hate to interrupt with a motorcycle question, but I was curious about my >carbs. I parked my CBR600F4 at the beginning of December and haven't >touched it since. It's been kept in an unheated garage under cover and I >pulled the battery which I left hooked up to my Battery Tender. The tank >is >half full but I neglected to add any fuel stabilizer. What are the chances >that the carbs will be gummed up with varnish a this point? Are commercial >carb cleaners safe, or useful? Should I just ride go ahead and ride it? > >Cedric >2000 CBR600F4 >Washington, DC _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 14:04:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23J3xXo003819; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:03:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23J3xH5003813; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:03:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E63A6EA.EAF67D25@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:03:06 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: pot holes References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D58@NCEAEXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > Sounds like you had Combined Properties as a landlord. It was pretty funny > watching the Haft family implode after years of crap from their company. > Cedric And sort of on topic - At one point CP hired a security firm to prevent illegal offloads in our dumpsters and keep the kids from riding bicycles on the sidewalks. A) I made my dumpster available to my nieghbors. B) I ran a hobby shop, and minutes after school let out the sidewalk in front of my store looked like mating season for Red Line & Mongoose BMX bikes. Fisrt shot, the rent-a-cop bitched about me parking my scoot on the sidewalk. It was a 90cc Kawi, one step above a moped. We had words. I was a bit testy `cause this rent-a-cop idiot had bandelaros (X of bullet loaded belts across his chest) and carried a genuine Clint Eastwood Magnum .44! Like whada ya gonna do, I ask, shoot the kids for pedeling down the sidewalk? Did I mention the pistol grip 12 gauge pump shotgun he also carried? He called the cops and my scoot was evicted from the sidewalk, but the kids bikes stayed. He tried to move them but lemme tell ya, that bunch of 12 year old boys made the Hells Angels look like wussys. Future bikers fer sure! Of course I was victorious. Took me a couple weeks but I had noticed the two security guards were driving vehicles with Ohio and West Virginny tags. I called a cop who was the father of one of those bad-ass BMX riders and he busted them for failing to properly register their vehicles. Yes! A week later they were gone - history. I moved nmy scoot back on the sidewalk and we had a party. The BMXers got soda and a free model kit, I had a shot of Glenlivit. A couple of those lads became employees when they became old enough for work permits. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 16:47:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23LlAXo008500; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:47:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23Ll96P008488; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:47:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005001c2e1ce$6e316a40$6600a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <3E636FEC.72D6FA94@comcast.net> <3E637254.F922831F@tasam.com> Subject: Re: Who rode? Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:46:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609af07902fc6370552a777207c5f80da9a666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > and you CAN'T wheelie *or countersteer* a shaftie. > > :~) > > Skip > Perhaps YOU can't... To REALLY have fun - wheelie a BMW twin or Guzzi. It's interesting what the torque reaction does to the bike when the front wheel is waving in the air :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 17:16:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23MGCXo011227; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:16:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23MGCba011217; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:16:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030303161538.00b641b8@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:16:16 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Who rode? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Wayne wrote: >>It's disappointing to see so many people turn into keyboard warriors on >>the list, though. :-\ > >You haven't been on the list for very long, have you? This is NOTHING. >It's barely enough to make me nostalgic about the good 'ol days when flame >wars were FLAME WARS, and people on DC-Cyclers rode their motorcycles more >than they talked about them. > >Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 18:27:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23NRvXo014171; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:27:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23NRv5v014161; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:27:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:45:13 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Who rode? In-Reply-To: <20030303170951.63947.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Glenn Dysart wrote: > I don't where you were but the weather bug on my > computer still shows it at 22 in Annandale and Fox > News right now shows it at 25. It was a brisk 14 this AM when I left the house. > True but I would rather hit a patch of ice in a cage > then on a bike! No kidding. Not to mention the horrendous potholes. I haven't been driving anything but my truck for the past several weeks. I don't want to bend wheels/suspensions on my cars while MDOT figures out how to fix all the craters out there. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 18:29:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23NTVXo014224; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:29:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23NTV5U014217; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:29:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:46:43 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: pot holes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, rich hall wrote: > I lost a cage tire to a pot hole last night. > Anyone know if shopping centers can be held resposible for damage caused by > a pothole on their property? Yes. Same thing happened to me about 10yrs ago. I was in a Hechinger parking lot and a crater ate my tire. The store paid the local tire shop to replace my tire/check my alignment. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 18:38:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23NcbXo018027; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:38:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23Ncb4U018016; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:38:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030303185131.04bf1ec0@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:53:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Who rode? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030303161538.00b641b8@mail.mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:16 PM 3/3/03 -0600, Sean Jordan wrote: >>Wayne wrote: >>>It's disappointing to see so many people turn into keyboard warriors on >>>the list, though. :-\ >> >>You haven't been on the list for very long, have you? This is NOTHING. >>It's barely enough to make me nostalgic about the good 'ol days when >>flame wars were FLAME WARS, and people on DC-Cyclers rode their >>motorcycles more than they talked about them. >> >>Sean Jordan I'm proficient enough with procmail to make the idiots disappear, it's just that this list seems to have more of the 'message board'-type idiots than the other mailing lists I read. I've only been on this list for about 13months. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 18:46:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23NkPXo021783; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:46:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23NkO85021770; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:46:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <015601c2e1de$fcf2b8f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: Subject: Re: pot holes Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:45:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79dbac05da665f89345ad39474224c9b8e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Wayne added: > > Anyone know if shopping centers can be held resposible for damage caused by > > a pothole on their property? > > Yes. Same thing happened to me about 10yrs ago. I was in a Hechinger > parking lot and a crater ate my tire. The store paid the local tire shop > to replace my tire/check my alignment. [Dave] Good on you! Was it that you vocally asserted yourself, an act of store management good faith or what have you? I thought there was always some sort of "policy not covered" '... covered by other insurance...' riders... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 18:52:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h23NqiXo021882; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:52:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h23NqiKj021872; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:52:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <015e01c2e1df$df5dac90$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030303185131.04bf1ec0@fbody.com> Subject: Re: Who rode? Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:51:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a118e6776ee7ec27dca0b590a543ff62350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sean J reminded us: > > >This is NOTHING. > >>It's barely enough to make me nostalgic about the good 'ol days when > >>flame wars were FLAME WARS Wayne confessed: > I'm proficient enough with procmail to make the idiots disappear, it's just > that this list seems to have more of the 'message board'-type idiots than > the other mailing lists I read. > > I've only been on this list for about 13months. [Dave] The early days seem to me to have been a little more... combative. I think of late we've taken to more OT political bashing than before... Whatever happened to the "other" list, DCC2 ? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 19:11:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h240BuXo032589; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:11:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h240BuTM032579; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:11:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000e01c2e1e2$a6bf7960$6600a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <20030301172445.51572.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <20030301004440.7555.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030301141205.00b77f00@mail.mac.com> Subject: Bike for sale (moto-spam) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:11:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609483cecab34728e2ed30fd5e1b1807ca8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Just in time for Spring A '93 Yamaha Seca II in dark green. Problems: A bit of corrosion on the headers, a broken right mirror mount (JB Weld?) It wants a new clutch, too. It has reasonably fresh rubber and the engine runs well. I'd like to get $2k out of it (Kelly has it at $2,300 retail and $1,500 trade in). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 19:16:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h240GKXo002894; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:16:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h240GKXP002886; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:16:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030303192907.05a89220@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:30:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: pot holes In-Reply-To: <015601c2e1de$fcf2b8f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:45 PM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote: >Wayne added: > > > Anyone know if shopping centers can be held resposible for damage caused >by > > > a pothole on their property? > > > > Yes. Same thing happened to me about 10yrs ago. I was in a Hechinger > > parking lot and a crater ate my tire. The store paid the local tire shop > > to replace my tire/check my alignment. > >[Dave] Good on you! Was it that you vocally asserted yourself, an act of >store management good faith or what have you? I thought there was always >some sort of "policy not covered" '... covered by other insurance...' >riders... > >Dave I spoke to the manager about it and demanded a replacement. The manager handled it right on the spot. They offered to put my spare on and follow me to the tire store to purchase a replacement to be mounted. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 19:50:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h240oYXo007517; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:50:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h240oXJd007507; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:50:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030304005031.30417.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:50:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Miscellaniae To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, That salutation includes you rednecks in MD and VA ;) I still can't believe some of y'all wasted an entire Saturday last week to spat the way you did - about 75K worth. Mr Gimer (our prophet from the MD wilderness) is right perhaps... Coupla things from tonight's digest, which, mercifully actually had some moto-content! but first a little spam: 1) I have a lower tapered steering head bearing for sale suitable for VFRs and (I believe) CBRs too. Price: $20 (no dust seal) and you pick up in Arlington. Ping me off list if interested. 2) Someone whined: "I lost a cage tire to a pot hole last night. Anyone know if shopping centers can be held resposible for damage caused by a pothole on their property? [JK] Dude, take some responsibility for your actions and watch where you're driving. It honestly amazes me to to see "motorcyclists" act like typical cagers simply because they are in one. No wonder this is the most litigious society on the planet.. jeez. 3) Someone else actually posited a moto-question: "Are commercial carb cleaners safe, or useful? Should I just ride go ahead and ride it?" [JK] What I have tried upon recommendation from others more knowledgeable than me is to use that Chevron Techron Fuel System Cleaner. It can't hurt and can only help, even in carburetted machines. If bike is apart w/ carbs exposed, you can always spray carb-cleaner in there to clean things out a bit too. And yes, I did ride yesterday (so there Gimer! hehehe ;) JK 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 20:33:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h241X2Xo011630; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:33:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h241X2dr011620; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:33:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030303202912.04ce8d30@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:47:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Miscellaniae In-Reply-To: <20030304005031.30417.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:50 PM 3/3/03 -0800, you wrote: >2) Someone whined: "I lost a cage tire to a pot hole last night. >Anyone know if shopping centers can be held resposible for damage >caused by a pothole on their property? > >[JK] Dude, take some responsibility for your actions and watch where >you're driving. It honestly amazes me to to see "motorcyclists" act >like typical cagers simply because they are in one. No wonder this is >the most litigious society on the planet.. jeez. In my case, the crater was at the end of a row of parked cars, such that my tire dropped into it was soon as you were turning right. Easy to spot while on 2 wheels, impossible on 4 wheels. It's reasonable to expect a certain level of maintenance in private parking lots. Don't confuse frivalous suits with sticking up for yourself. Nobody mentioned litigation, except you :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 22:00:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2430QXo014573; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:00:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h2430PqS014563; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:00:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.83.223.127] From: "rich hall" To: mr_vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Miscellaniae Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 22:00:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2003 03:00:18.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[302B1A80:01C2E1FA] It was full of water and it was dark, should I continue whinning? >From: John Kozyn >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Miscellaniae >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:50:31 -0800 (PST) >2) Someone whined: "I lost a cage tire to a pot hole last night. >Anyone know if shopping centers can be held resposible for damage >caused by a pothole on their property? > >[JK] Dude, take some responsibility for your actions and watch where >you're driving. It honestly amazes me to to see "motorcyclists" act >like typical cagers simply because they are in one. No wonder this is >the most litigious society on the planet.. jeez. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 3 22:09:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2439sXo017100; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:09:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h2439rMb017091; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:09:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6418CC.6530B929@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 22:09:00 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rich hall CC: mr_vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Miscellaniae References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rich hall wrote: > It was full of water and it was dark, should I continue whinning? > Go ahead and whine. I was cussing. On the way back from Delaware yesterday I must have hit 2000 potholes on our not-so-well maintained interstates. I figure the ol' van shocks were frothing the oil. After a bridge deck that looked like the US Army used it for an artillery target and forgot to clean up the mess, I saw two cars off on the shoulder with suspensions that didn't look normal. Solution: Half track or a military version HumVee, not the consumer wimp version. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 06:09:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h24B9ZXo022074; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:09:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h24B9Yj1022063; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:09:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Miscellaniae Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:09:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E6418CC.6530B929@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E6418CC.6530B929@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03030406095035.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 03 March 2003 22:09, William J. Huson wrote: > rich hall wrote: > > It was full of water and it was dark, should I continue whinning? > > Go ahead and whine. I was cussing. On the way back from Delaware > yesterday I must have hit 2000 potholes on our not-so-well maintained > interstates. I figure the ol' van shocks were frothing the oil. After a > bridge deck that looked like the US Army used it for an artillery target > and forgot to clean up the mess, I saw two cars off on the shoulder with > suspensions that didn't look normal. > > Solution: Half track or a military version HumVee, not the consumer wimp > version. > > Bill It looks like they've filled the potholes on 395 either yesterday (I don't remember seeing them on the way home) or last night. On the way home in the slaw lanes there was car with its radiator spewing a large white ball of steam. Of course everyone had to slow down to look. Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 06:16:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h24BG7Xo024651; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:16:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h24BG7NF024635; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:16:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <125.1f108e0e.2b95e4e7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:15:51 EST Subject: Re: Who rode? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:21:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, Witold@XXXXXX writes: > For some reason I decided to pull in the clutch trying to coast through it, Proper technique. > but I lost traction in the back tire anyway. The back tire did a little "S" > slide and - amazingly - corrected itself. See above, with any extra load on traction (push or drag of the engine) if may well not have corrected itself. > This was my first slide ever, and > it wasn't as scary as I thought it would be. Not panicking is half the battle. (Once had to ride over a bridge that 2 cages (one 4 wheel drive) had just slid off of.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 07:02:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h24C2YXo028599; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:02:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h24C2YHY028589; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:02:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E64959F.D1F5483A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 07:01:35 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Miscellaniae References: <3E6418CC.6530B929@patriot.net> <03030406095035.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > It looks like they've filled the potholes on 395 either yesterday (I don't > remember seeing them on the way home) or last night. I hope. There was a few nasty holes on the bridge betwixt Seminary and Duke, right lane which is where you'd find me putting along seeing as how I dive off the slab at Duke. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 10:07:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h24F7kXo032262; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:07:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h24F7jNI032252; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:07:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E64C0AF.2F3F3069@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 10:05:19 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Miscellaniae References: <3E6418CC.6530B929@patriot.net> <03030406095035.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: [snip] > On the way home in the slaw lanes there was car with its radiator spewing a > large white ball of steam. Of course everyone had to slow down to look. hey... it *could've* been on fire, which would make it worth watching... :~) Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 10:24:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h24FO7Xo001187; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:24:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h24FO6Ij001174; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:24:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Miscellaniae Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:24:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <03030406095035.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E64C0AF.2F3F3069@tasam.com> In-Reply-To: <3E64C0AF.2F3F3069@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303041024143K.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 04 March 2003 10:05, Skip wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > [snip] > > > On the way home in the slaw lanes there was car with its radiator spewing > > a large white ball of steam. Of course everyone had to slow down to look. > > hey... it *could've* been on fire, which would make it worth > watching... > Yea, but that doesn't explain the 2 mile backup when the nearsighted drivers have to read the electronic signs. Buncha idiots. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 10:35:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h24FZTXo005042; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:35:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h24FZT8i005030; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:35:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYRYJlu6GHrDLpUoyUJC9gARZjZbB2bAJ6yUqwuPSCm7xBz0Vb1nBwBLaX7el6AiAo= From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Who rode? Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:35:24 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E21CC@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830C1559@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Ahhh, so that's why I can no longer see my own reflection in the mirror... ----- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I'm proficient enough with procmail to make the idiots disappear From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 12:45:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h24Hjlie012786; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:45:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h24HjkB2012776; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:45:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) [MilleniumSportRiders] Bikes Needed Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 12:44:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h24Hjjie012764 On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:51:56 -0000, "Rudy " wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >You cannot reply to this message via email because you have chosen not >to disclose your email address to the group. > >To reply: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MilleniumSportRiders/post?act=reply&messageNum=1766 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >This Thursday and or Friday the TV show America's Most >Wanted is in need of 2 motorcycles for a reenactment. >A 250cc Honda Nighthawk or similar and a 750cc Yamaha >??? They'll probably need your bike all day and they >will be using Professional riders. I don't believe >any stunts are involved. They're paying $200.00 per >day for use of your bike. If you know of anyone with >these kind of bikes that would be interested shoot me >back an e-mail by noon today. > > Thanks,RUDE www.oneshotracing.com > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >milleniumsportriders-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 13:09:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h24I9fie015625; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:09:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h24I9eca015615; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:09:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: good old colemans Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:09:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2003 18:09:33.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[3573FFF0:01C2E279] With the cabin fever this weekend, I went over to Coleman's (they're big & close). As you might recall I'm thinking about buying a bike. I was looking used, but they had the bike I wanted '02 for 1k off plus dealer incentives. Making it 1k more than the used ones I'm looking at. So now I'm thinking about getting that one. I called Champion Motorsports in Herndon today at lunch to see if they had any '02's left and they said they did they'd knock $500 off. I said Coleman's had it on the floor $1k off. Say I'd rather buy there. They know me from getting my last bike there and getting it serviced there occasionally. They switch me to a manager, says they can do it for $1k off. They even have 2 colors for me to choose from. Plus means they have 2 left to move. I call Colemans because I didn't remember their exact price. Guy tells me the list price. I had mentioned I was in there this weekend, saw it at $1k off. He offers to take $500 off. I say there are other stores. He says yes, I hang up. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 13:30:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h24IU9ie020880; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:30:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h24IU85H020870; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:30:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: the "Snip" tool Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:35:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal http://www.ih8mud.com/tech/snip.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 13:32:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h24IWgie022339; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:32:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h24IWgAh022334; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:32:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: good old colemans Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:33:00 -0600 Message-ID: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA15146903740A9D@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: good old colemans Thread-Index: AcLifGkHHG6pPEUXQYmdEGr0CCLLiw== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h24IWfie022317 What brand type of bike? FYI MFI quoted me (and Sold me) 1200 off of MSRP on a new VFR in June...last year. Straight up deal, no BS. George >>> rich hall 03/04/03 01:09PM >>> With the cabin fever this weekend, I went over to Coleman's (they're big & close). As you might recall I'm thinking about buying a bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 14:47:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h24JlHie027889; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:47:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h24JlFQU027882; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:47:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaja+8FVMFo3IWdW2Lz78mSq9Sm2ZKOvzOc8zcLQ2ZUuPrKvcKP6WBrI6v1LBP+GV8= From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: good old colemans Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:47:13 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E21D6@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830C15EB@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 What model? ----- rich hall wrote: As you might recall I'm thinking about buying a bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 14:53:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h24JrEie029239; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:53:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h24JrE8g029229; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:53:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the "Snip" tool Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:53:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303041453263U.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 04 March 2003 13:35, Dan Thompson wrote: > http://www.ih8mud.com/tech/snip.html > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Cool, black text on a black shaded background. Must be an awesome snipping tool :-) Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 15:38:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h24KcZie000874; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:38:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h24KcYpb000864; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:38:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:38:16 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the "Snip" tool MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <54CDFB9A.177FE67C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Must be you Carl. :-) I saw white text on a black background. Scooter In a message dated 3/4/2003 2:53:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Tuesday 04 March 2003 13:35, Dan Thompson wrote: > > http://www.ih8mud.com/tech/snip.html > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 > > Cool, black text on a black shaded background. Must be an awesome snipping > tool :-) > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 19:26:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h250Qqie010370; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:26:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h250QpWV010360; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:26:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.83.223.127] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: breaking in a bike Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:26:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2003 00:26:44.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6605E10:01C2E2AD] Any opinions on this theory: http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 19:28:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h250Svie013095; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:28:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h250SvbZ013087; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:28:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.83.223.127] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: good old colemans Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:28:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2003 00:28:50.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[318BD630:01C2E2AE] Any negotiating tips? >From: >To: , >Subject: Re: good old colemans >Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:33:00 -0600 > >FYI MFI quoted me (and Sold me) 1200 off of MSRP on a new VFR in >June...last >year. Straight up deal, no BS. > >George > > >>> rich hall 03/04/03 01:09PM >>> >With the cabin fever this weekend, I went over to Coleman's (they're big >& >close). As you might recall I'm thinking about buying a bike. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 19:38:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h250crie014469; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:38:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h250cqrY014459; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:38:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030304193720.027474d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:38:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: breaking in a bike In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:26 PM 3/4/2003, rich hall wrote: >Any opinions on this theory: > >http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm do this: Email the author and ask him to sign and mail a statement to you that if you follow his suggestions and any damage occurs, *he* will pay to get the engine repaired or replaced. *Then* come back and ask us. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 20:16:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h251GBie020301; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:16:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h251GBa7020291; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:16:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030305011603.23315.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:03 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: good old colemans To: rich hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you already have a couple of data points. namely $1k off of MSRP the absolutel value thereof you should already know. Also there is a pricing service on the 'net - respond.com might work but I was thinking of another service. It came up just a couple weeks ago on this forum but I'm not having any luck with google. It cost like $25 for the report and gave the dealer cost of the motorcycle. oh wait, here it is: www.cyclecost.com aka www.cyclebuy.com Anyhow you're looking at a 2002 left over. The dealership would be a complete twit not to want to get it off his floor. MC's have dealer holdbacks too and financing for the dealer but the break-even point is typically around 6 to 9 months and with snow outside I wouldn't expect sales to be very hot right about now. So armed with the actual cost to the dealer (see report) and a few more competitive bids from say Winchester Motorsports, Valley Cycle (for some reason sticks in my mind), various outfits in Baltimore, Cyclesport Alex/Woodbridge, the outfit in Herndon, or better yet that place in WV etc. see if you can keep going round and round seeing who is really interested in selling you a bike. You can get some good deals from TN or NY of all places, too even factoring in the shipping. www.cycletrader.com has listings by dealerships too. I personally wouldn't give coleman's a single red cent and anyways you can have ANY dealership do service work. Or do it yourself. I will have to admit that I have not as yet bought a new bike - the newest I got was 4 months and 4000 miles on the clock from a private party. But I wouldn't even *think* of paying setup and prep costs. That is a cost the dealership should have to eat by virtue of his wishing to engage in the business of motorcycle sales. Trying to foist that on the consumer is IMO bastardly conduct. (in the car world I don't mind paying freight because there is an undeniable cost in transporting the vehicle from the distribution location to the dealership) Knowledge is your hammer to beat the salesdroid over the head. Get your first round of calls down so you know what each dealership wants to gouge you for (and make sure you have *all* of the line items down including store cash and accessory discounts) and then start saying things like "you're offering X and you're close but proximity/reputation doesn't offset your price premium. dealer Y will sell me a bike for Z (and be sure you know the other charges). Can you meet or beat it?" Get the sales guy's name and make sure you maintain the dialog with the same bloke if possible. Sometimes the salesdroid will say "if I say this price, will you buy it from us?" I would answer, "it sure puts you at the top of my list" or something suggestive but non-committal. Afterall he is trying to use guilt or some notion of contract obligation when none exists. Just play him like a cheap suit. After a round or two you should be able to determine a realistic floor to the prices and any further messing around will only piss off the sales person. If say the local guy is still $100 higher than a dealer 35 miles away, you can try to get him to give you another 10% off on accessories/parts if you're literally a baby step from committing. Set a personal threshhold of what kind of deal you will accept. If the salesman is not willing to budge and he's way off the mark, just make it emphatically clear to him that his deal sucks and that you will go see somebody else. and WALK OUT THE DOOR! If they care, they'll call you on your phone begging you to come back. if not, then don't even consider pursing the matter with them and go with somebody who is hugrier. So a 2002 SVS, eh? MCN says $5275 used. Ebay has several and a dealership in OH (ridextreme) looks to have a supply at ~$4000 as well. You could get it shipped for probably $400 or I might be able to xport for you since I have to come back to DC from Chicago in the next couple of weeks to pick up my bike. And I go thru Ohio anyway. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 20:27:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h251ROie021671; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:27:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h251RN2S021660; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:27:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:27:15 EST Subject: Re: carbs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/3/2003 1:31:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > You could do the gas sniff test. If it smells really funny you're in deep > defecant. Man we used to throw away anything that smelled like the stuff comes from the pumps these days, it all smells bad. (If you want to know what it used to smell like find some aviation gas and smell it, veddy nice. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 20:32:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h251WFie025465; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:32:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h251WFnO025459; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:32:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E655368.EFC5D97E@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:31:20 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: breaking in a bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rich hall wrote: > Any opinions on this theory: Old as dirt. Back in the 60s the E-Z break in method was being trashed by a variety of tech mechs. Detroit fell in line with the "whip" break in, which is basically what this dude is saying. You used 1/2 throttle hard acel, cruise, another 1/2 throttle punch, cruise, and then you stepped it up to 3/4 punches and then WOT, all *burst* of power. Purpose, seat the rings. I've used it on every new car, truck, and M/C I've owned. Only engine I've had tank is the Genuine P.O.S. GM mill in my Z-28 Camaro. Right now 2 out of 3 car/trucks I own are over 100K and going strong. All my motorcycles went to the next owner with nice tight engines The best break in time was my Yamoto racing outboards. New rings were ready to kick ass after less than two minutes while milling for the start. But those clever japs cheated, the rings were coated with cerium oxide, an abrasive substance. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 20:33:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h251XOie025527; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:33:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h251XORo025518; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:33:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <91.2b47176e.2b96add8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:33:12 EST Subject: Re: Who rode? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/3/2003 4:47:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > > and you CAN'T wheelie *or countersteer* a shaftie. The _only_ way to make a bike, shaft or otherwise, lean is to countersteer. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 20:44:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h251idie029374; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:44:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h251idvP029363; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:44:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030305014431.24059.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:44:31 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: breaking in a bike To: rich hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii got me. I personally find his presentation offensive. If he was more than a charletan then IMO he would present the matter in a far more professional manner. Not being a mech or an engine builder I would hesitate to countermand the LONG tradition and engineering knowledge the manufacturers have on tap as far as break-in is considered. We also don't know what dynamic tests the factories do upon completion. Just because the ODO doesn't have any miles doesn't mean they didn't spin the motor to redline a couple of times. Indeed the MCN report on Triumph and it's new factory made it clear the engines were cycled and exercised a few times before being shipped off. So the 'break in tips' if you will may already have been accomplished. The guy doesn't provide ANY concrete facts or dates or nothing, just anonymous (and for all we know self-serving) write-ups by satisfied accolytes. Indeed if I pieced the bits together, his favorite Mexican just placed 9th at Daytona this past weekend in the CCS races. While granted that's a commendable finish, we don't have any more information as to what the bike was running. I didn't see any mention of that rider's sponsors and to whether the engine he ran had any of these mods done to them. Not being an R6 person I can't refute his opinions and he may indeed be correct that the factory boys sacrifice(d) port velocity in an arguably naive attempt to increase flow to the point they compromised charge velocity, charge mixture, and so forth. With the incredible power outputs any of the 600's of 2001 and onward have, I doubt the matter is really worth worrying about. Then again I race a pathetic, stock GS500e so what do I know of high performance... If you have the copious amount of time, the tools, and the skill and the greenbacks to test his assertions on your bike with a dyno then all the power to you. But I've been on forums run by guys who've been doing racing engines for 30 years and his material sure hasn't gotten much mention. I would personally put FAR more credence to what Rick @ FAstlane or Brian Roach and buddies at Speedwerks have to say, or since we're talking SV's also try CAD Cycles in Gaithersburg (David Yakov) or the engine builder for CyclePros (Lorton, VA), or our own Randy Moran or (sorry names escapes me) expert #3 all-black leather with a proclivity to lose gas cap at T3 Summit Point (*grin*) if you want thoughts on the bike. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 21:17:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h252H4ie000831; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:17:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h252H4fV000821; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:17:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ee.37f7448.2b96b815@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:16:53 EST Subject: Re: good old colemans To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/4/2003 8:16:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > Get the sales guy's name and make sure you maintain the dialog with the > same bloke if possible. IF, _if_ he can show you his/her motorcycle endorsement on his/her drivers license. Most of these morons cannot legally ride a bike at all, no sense in talking to someone who does not know their ass from an opening in the ground. John Walters (Long John) Who has worked in motorcycle sales PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 4 21:55:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h252teie003587; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:55:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h252td5R003577; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:55:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Heads up - Trailer stolen Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 My single rail moto trailer was stolen on our about the 15th of February. It was a very nice trailer with expanded metal side floor and the rail was split and re-welded with angle-iron every 12 inches or so. VA tags of UT174508 which expired in 12/02 - I have the new sticker right here. VIN = 4L2K5RG1352000014 and it's a Load Rite. FFX police have been notified. If you have any info, please let me know. LindaT. 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Doors open at 10 a.m. Make sure and thank your hosting bartenders, Jorge (RC51) and Alex (GSX-R750)for the courtesy. Races are: MBNA 250 Grand Prix @ 10:00 a.m. BMW Boxer Cup @ 11:30 a.m. Pre-race coverage of Suberbike @ 12:30 p.m. Chevy Trucks U.S. Superbike @ 1 p.m. CarPool 4000 N. Fairfax Drive (corner of N. Fairfax Dr. & N. Quincy) Arlington, VA (703) 532-7665 directions: http://www.gocarpool.com/dirpark.htm Thanks all, see you there! -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 00:04:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25548ie014778; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:04:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25548sQ014772; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:04:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030305050406.59301.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:04:06 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Daytona races live at Carpool this Sunday To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI - To all the two-wheeled racing fans that couldn't BE in Daytona for this Sunday's races, the bike-friendly folks at Carpool have agreed to open their doors two hours early on Sunday so that we can all catch Speed Channel's live broadcast this Sunday, March 9, of the 62nd annual running of the Daytona 200 by Arai, the opening round of the 2003 AMA Chevy Trucks U.S. Superbike Championship. Doors open at 10 a.m. Make sure and thank your hosting bartenders, Jorge (RC51) and Alex (GSX-R750)for the courtesy. Races are: MBNA 250 Grand Prix @ 10:00 a.m. BMW Boxer Cup @ 11:30 a.m. Pre-race coverage of Suberbike @ 12:30 p.m. Chevy Trucks U.S. Superbike @ 1 p.m. CarPool 4000 N. Fairfax Drive (corner of N. Fairfax Dr. & N. Quincy) Arlington, VA (703) 532-7665 directions: http://www.gocarpool.com/dirpark.htm Thanks all, see you there! -Corbett ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 06:28:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25BSSie023385; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 06:28:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25BSRI0023374; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 06:28:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the "Snip" tool Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 06:28:42 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <54CDFB9A.177FE67C.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <54CDFB9A.177FE67C.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303050628423W.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 04 March 2003 15:38, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Must be you Carl. :-) I saw white text on a black background. > > Scooter > Hmm, http://validator.w3.org kicked back this initial error: "I was not able to extract a character encoding labeling from any of the valid sources for such information. Without encoding information it is impossible to validate the document. The sources I tried are: o The HTTP Content-Type field. o The XML Declaration. o The HTML "META" element." And when I told it it was us-ascii (basic English) it kicked back this error: This page is not Valid! and generated 97 errors. It looks like most of the errors are related to using a tag in the wrong place so maybe there's a color tag somewhere that's not in the right place. Hmm, visually interpreting the doctype in the first line says this is supposed to be HTML 3.2. Let me force that entry too. Ahh, less errors this time but the following error was kicked back: This page is not Valid HTML 3.2! and generated 20 errors. You must be using a browser that interprets and assumes rather than just rendering the page as presented. i.e. a non-standard browser [ohh ohh 'i.e.' ;-) ] OBJDCC: With the temp supposed to be at 65 today I said the heck with traffic and the rain and rode in anyway. A little dampness (not wet) in my boots and the left screw on the helmet shield disappeared somewhere on 95 but I still enjoyed the ride and expect to _really_ enjoy the ride home. Later, Evil Overlord Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 07:41:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25Cfrie026298; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:41:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25Cfqoo026288; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:41:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:59:00 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: good old colemans In-Reply-To: <1ee.37f7448.2b96b815@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/4/2003 8:16:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > > > Get the sales guy's name and make sure you maintain the dialog with the > > same bloke if possible. > > IF, _if_ he can show you his/her motorcycle endorsement on his/her drivers > license. Most of these morons cannot legally ride a bike at all, no sense in > talking to someone who does not know their ass from an opening in the ground. Why does that matter, John? I bought my last bike from someone who doesn't ride. It didn't matter to me, he was just there to give me the lowest price (which he did) :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 07:46:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25Ck4ie027640; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:46:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25Ck4qi027633; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:46:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:03:13 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Heads up - Trailer stolen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, LindaT. wrote: > My single rail moto trailer was stolen on our about the 15th of February. > It was a very nice trailer with expanded metal side floor and the rail was > split and re-welded with angle-iron every 12 inches or so. VA tags of > UT174508 which expired in 12/02 - I have the new sticker right here. VIN = > 4L2K5RG1352000014 and it's a Load Rite. FFX police have been notified. > > If you have any info, please let me know. > > LindaT. That sucks, Linda. I fwd'd your message to my Mid-Atlantic F-body mailing list, as we have a lot of members in VA and all along the East Coast. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 08:18:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25DItie030329; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:18:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25DIt2X030318; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:18:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E65F906.9870F39B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 08:17:58 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LindaT." CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Heads up - Trailer stolen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "LindaT." wrote: > My single rail moto trailer was stolen on our about the 15th of February. > It was a very nice trailer with expanded metal side floor and the rail was > split and re-welded with angle-iron every 12 inches or so. VA tags of > UT174508 which expired in 12/02 - I have the new sticker right here. VIN = > 4L2K5RG1352000014 and it's a Load Rite. FFX police have been notified. > > If you have any info, please let me know. > That blows! My guess it's on it's way to Daytona. With any luck a sleepy truck driver will smack the thief's vehicle into a pancake. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 09:19:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25EJaie000678; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:19:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25EJZS3000668; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:19:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004901c2e322$3d9f04a0$6600a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: Subject: Re: breaking in a bike Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:19:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c26098d3c14fee21db1caa2c5b84104cdf55e2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Depends - what are the manufacturing tolerances used by your favorite maker? If they use fairly loose tolerances, this method will work without many problems. OTOH - if they use tight tolerances, you will completely trash the engine. I had a 350 Ducati Desmo single in Italy back in the mid '70s that wouldn't let me run it hard - it would actually start to sieze up (Tazio, the shop owner told me this, but I didn't believe him). I only did it once on the drive back to the base - I followed Tazio's recommendations after that. After a few hundred kms it started to loosen up and by about 5Kkm, it would spend the day at redline with no complaints. Compression was enough that I could stand on the start lever - although I was lighter in those days, I was still rather (ahem) hefty. Bottom line - you pays your nickle and you take your chances. A gradual break-in will NEVER hurt. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 09:42:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25EgJie003486; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:42:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25EgJnm003474; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:42:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <109.21020904.2b9766be@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:42:06 EST Subject: Flight anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Got this on another list http://www.ssaerospace.com/sycle1.php Looks like fun to me, but overly complex. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 09:44:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25EiBie004958; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:44:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25EiBoL004952; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:44:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030305144408.25007.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 06:44:08 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: the "Snip" tool To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0303050628423W.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I saw the page fine too. Carl, perhaps you've set up your browser to override text colors with black? Chris Weaver --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Tuesday 04 March 2003 15:38, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > wrote: > > Must be you Carl. :-) I saw white text on a > black background. > > > > Scooter > > > > Hmm, http://validator.w3.org kicked back this > initial error [snip! that was fun!] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 09:47:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25ElTie007533; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:47:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25ElSqK007520; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:47:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7a.3a4b23a3.2b9767f4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:47:16 EST Subject: Re: good old colemans To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/5/2003 7:42:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > I bought my last bike from someone who > doesn't ride. It didn't matter to me, he was just there to give me the > lowest price (which he did) :-) Yea, But look what you wound up with... DUCK! Sorry, I just cannot help myself sometimes. It may be alright for us to buy from someone who does not get it, but for a newbie it can and does create problems. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 10:42:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25Fg1ie013045; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:42:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25Fg0WQ013033; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:42:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030305154122.83523.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:41:22 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Daytona races live at Carpool this Sunday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030305050406.59301.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cool! I don't have cable in my new digs (let alone a TV as yet) but could I persuade somebody to pop in a tape and record the whole shooting match for me? I'll happily pay for the tape. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 11:31:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25GVFie017283; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:31:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25GVFnu017273; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:31:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 11:29:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: DCC does Daytona To: DC Cycles Message-id: <3E662606.CCBC128C@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Are we gonna have enough DC-Cyclers down in Daytona to warrant a get-together? Between the IBA dinner Friday night, the COG breakfast Saturday Morning, and the COG BBQ Saturday evening, I've suddenly realized I've got lunch time Saturday still available. :) Horkster, well fed -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 11:50:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25GoGie022641; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:50:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25GoFa7022630; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:50:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000e01c2e337$38140de0$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "DC Cycles" References: <3E662606.CCBC128C@comcast.net> Subject: Logo Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:49:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 With Daytona and other weekends I had a question, has anyone thought of a picture logo or getting t-shirts made for this group? It would be interesting to go to places like Daytona or Myrtle Beach and find people in the group by the t-shirt. Comments? any ideas? Who would be interested? I wouldn't mind taking on the project if people were interested, I am already doing it for another group. That is not t-shirts, but it is clothing related. On another note, think I am going to move up to a 2000 Kawasaki ZRX1200 with a little over 10k mileage. I might give the CB700SC to my father, so we can both enjoy it. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 11:58:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25Gw0ie026759; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:58:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25Gw0mX026752; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:58:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030305115614.022cd218@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 11:57:56 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Logo In-Reply-To: <000e01c2e337$38140de0$0200000a@Godzilla> References: <3E662606.CCBC128C@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed BTDT. Used to be a list of logos on the mailing list site : http://www.dc-cycles.org/ but not anymore. Had black Ts made with a yellow DCCyclces and rider. At 11:49 AM 3/5/2003, S. Russell wrote: >Comments? any ideas? Who would be interested? > >I wouldn't mind taking on the project if people were interested, I am >already doing it for another group. That is not t-shirts, but it is >clothing related. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 12:01:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25H1Sie028166; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:01:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25H1PkR028151; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:01:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303051701.h25H1OYv028133@dirty.meretrix.com> To: Troutman cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Logo In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 2003 11:57:56 EST." <5.2.0.9.0.20030305115614.022cd218@XXXXXX> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <28131.1046883683.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:01:23 -0500 From: harry@XXXXXX >BTDT. Used to be a list of logos on the mailing list site : >http://www.dc-cycles.org/ but not anymore. Had black Ts made with a yellow >DCCyclces and rider. The contributed logos from way back when are still there, with a link on the top-level page. This will take you to it directly: http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 12:03:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25H3pie030715; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:03:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25H3oWa030709; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:03:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030305170348.2682.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:03:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DCC does Daytona To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3E662606.CCBC128C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dale, I put out a "feeler" post a few weeks ago about this and we had tentatively set up a lunch. There wasn't a whole lot of response though, so I think it's probably not going to happen after all. Chris Weaver --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Are we gonna have enough DC-Cyclers down > in Daytona to warrant a get-together? Between > the IBA dinner Friday night, the COG breakfast > Saturday Morning, and the COG BBQ Saturday > evening, I've suddenly realized I've got lunch > time Saturday still available. :) > > Horkster, well fed > > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 12:09:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25H9Wie002176; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:09:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25H9WBZ002168; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:09:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: breaking in a bike From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004901c2e322$3d9f04a0$6600a8c0@michael> References: <004901c2e322$3d9f04a0$6600a8c0@michael> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 05 Mar 2003 12:09:29 -0500 Message-Id: <1046884170.20717.450.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 I don't like how the guy presented his material, but he's got the right idea. Breaking in a motor is to seal the rings. Getting that done perfectly is a balancing act between two things: heat and pressure. If you don't generate enough pressure in the motor, the ring will not seat properly because it's not being pressed hard enough against the cross-hatching on the cylinder wall. If the motor is not at the proper temp and you gereate too much pressure, there is also a possibility of sticking a ring which could cause catastrophic failure. If you generate too much heat, the oil will break down and glaze the cylinder wall which will prevent the ring from wearing and seating properly. The manufacturers choose the lengthy break-in method as the lesser of two evils approach. It's better that someone have a motor that makes slightly less power and burns a little oil due to blow-by than having lunched motors coming back to the dealership. They also bet that most people simply can't resist "breaking the rules" just a little, which pretty much solves the problem. If you want a motor that will make the best power, break it in hard... but you need to pay attention. When you get the bike, take it out for a ride ... a couple miles at a nice leisurely pace . Make sure the engine is up to operating temp (usually somewhere in the middle of the temp range), then strike it. Run it hard, up to 80% of the redline. Then back off and let the motor cool back down. Repeat. 50 miles of this and you'll have a motor that will run very strong for a long time. You want to generate high pressures in the motor but NOT allow the motor to get hot enough to break down the oil. The results are very apparent on the dyno. Any time a street rider brings in a new bike to see "what it's got", the ones broken in easy almost always make less HP. - Roach > Bottom line - you pays your nickle and you take your chances. A gradual > break-in will NEVER hurt. > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 12:15:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25HFNie004809; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:15:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25HFMG6004794; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:15:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030305121440.02199a30@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:15:03 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Logo In-Reply-To: <200303051701.h25H1OYv028133@dirty.meretrix.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Must be blind. Didn't see that link. 1b was the winner. At 12:01 PM 3/5/2003, harry@XXXXXX wrote: >The contributed logos from way back when are still there, with a link >on the top-level page. This will take you to it directly: > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 12:24:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25HO5ie012603; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:24:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25HO4Tq012588; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:24:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: DCC does Daytona Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:24:20 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030305170348.2682.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030305170348.2682.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03030512242048.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What we need is a "we didn't go to Daytona" ride/lunch here in the area. I propose today, in 30 minutes in front of the Washington Monument. Be there. Evil Overlord Carl On Wednesday 05 March 2003 12:03, Chris Weaver wrote: > Dale, > > I put out a "feeler" post a few weeks ago about this > and we had tentatively set up a lunch. There wasn't a > whole lot of response though, so I think it's probably > not going to happen after all. > > Chris Weaver > -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 12:26:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25HQpie013928; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:26:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25HQnFq013918; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:26:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Logo Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:27:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200303051701.h25H1OYv028133@dirty.meretrix.com> In-Reply-To: <200303051701.h25H1OYv028133@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03030512270449.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 05 March 2003 12:01, harry@XXXXXX wrote: > >BTDT. Used to be a list of logos on the mailing list site : > >http://www.dc-cycles.org/ but not anymore. Had black Ts made with a > > yellow DCCyclces and rider. > > The contributed logos from way back when are still there, with a link > on the top-level page. This will take you to it directly: > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > -harry The page is black on black. Oh wait... Sorry, the monitor was off :-) Of those choices and with a patch in mind, rather than a t-shirt, I like 8 but in the non-glitter letters. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 12:31:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25HV1ie017849; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:31:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25HV0FP017841; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:31:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002701c2e33c$e9a17250$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Troutman" , Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <200303051701.h25H1OYv028133@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: Logo Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:30:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Kind of like Entry 8 for the front, with Entry 1b or 11 for the back. Would be nice to have them for Mrytle Beach or Rolling Thunder. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Troutman" Cc: "DC Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Logo > >BTDT. Used to be a list of logos on the mailing list site : > >http://www.dc-cycles.org/ but not anymore. Had black Ts made with a yellow > >DCCyclces and rider. > > The contributed logos from way back when are still there, with a link > on the top-level page. This will take you to it directly: > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > -harry > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 12:32:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25HWZie017911; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:32:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25HWZAa017907; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:32:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002d01c2e33d$215257f0$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Carl Schelin" , "DC Cycles" References: <20030305170348.2682.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> <03030512242048.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: DCC does Daytona Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:31:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I would second that, but I am taking mine to Rockville. It is so nice out there (sorry shut ins or cubby hole people). After a long sit (and a couple of fall overs due to wind) it is running again. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: Re: DCC does Daytona > What we need is a "we didn't go to Daytona" ride/lunch here in the area. I > propose today, in 30 minutes in front of the Washington Monument. > > Be there. > > Evil Overlord Carl > > On Wednesday 05 March 2003 12:03, Chris Weaver wrote: > > Dale, > > > > I put out a "feeler" post a few weeks ago about this > > and we had tentatively set up a lunch. There wasn't a > > whole lot of response though, so I think it's probably > > not going to happen after all. > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if > Windows Source Code is made public. > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 12:37:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25Hb6ie025680; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:37:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25Hb5wE025670; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:37:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" , "VFR Mailing List (E-mail)" , VtecVFROwners@XXXXXX Subject: Kids Come First Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:36:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's making me sick to do this, but looming private school payments are forcing me to sell my toys. Soooo... offering to the list before putting it in the paper: my barely broken-in '02 VFR. Pretty much bone-stock, the only mod is a Signal Dynamics taillight modulator. I also have the headlight modulator, but it's not installed. Also available are a FastBag (not installed), a Service Manual, and a Parts Catalog. I won't spam the list with details, but am also selling a '99 Bayliner Capri 1950 bowrider. If interested in either vehicle, please hit me off-list. Thanks, John '02 VFR (on the endangered list) Waldorf, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 12:42:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25HgVie002460; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:42:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25HgV1r002450; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:42:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003c01c2e33e$d267f120$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: I rode today! :) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:43:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 And yesterday, and the day b'fore, and the day before that.... And rode lots too. To Daytona and back. Yeah, I know I have a lousy sense of timing, but my friend with the moderately priced flop only had room for me early in the week. Amazing that total fleabag motel rooms go for more than $120 a night, with hefty upcharges for additional persons. I witnessed at least one trailer jam on I-95 near Jacksonville. I'm not making this up. 1900 miles in all and I returned to five days worth of largely content-free DC-Cycles digests. ;-) I did enjoy reading about young Jordan's encounters with the exotic fauna of the Volunteer State. Black ice - glad I missed it. One of the merits of being in the near-tropics is the schadenfreude one experiences when the home folks have to endure lousy weather. Of course, it rained in Daytoner on Monday, but after the crap weather we've had, rain and 70 degrees felt just fine. The highlight was exploring some of the sea islands of Georgia and cruising down A1A from St. Augustine to Daytona on Sunday. 80 degrees and sunny. Perfect. I did the 820-mile blast up 95 at a Bun Burner Gold pace, as a partial test run to added that ride to my dance card sometime this year. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 13:00:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25I0nie009178; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:00:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25I0mGS009168; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:00:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:00:36 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: I rode today! :) To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3E663B44.87D1FA0@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <003c01c2e33e$d267f120$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > The > highlight was exploring some of the sea islands of Georgia and cruising down > A1A from St. Augustine to Daytona on Sunday. 80 degrees and sunny. > Perfect. I think you might have had better weather than what we'll have. Oh well. Hope my tent stays dry. :) > I did the 820-mile blast up 95 at a Bun Burner Gold pace, as a partial test > run to added that ride to my dance card sometime this year. Just remember, the first 1250 miles are easy. It's that last tankful that kicks your butt. :) Good luck on the BBG attempt. Don't underestimate how hard it'll be, and you'll probably do ok. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 14:34:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25JYbie013806; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:34:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25JYamx013796; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:34:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:51:39 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: good old colemans In-Reply-To: <7a.3a4b23a3.2b9767f4@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > It may be alright for us to buy from someone who does not get it, but for a > newbie it can and does create problems. As a newbie, I relied on friends, not salespeople looking to make a buck off my purchase, for information/help/recommendations. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 14:41:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25JfFie017770; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:41:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25JfFm9017763; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:41:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:58:17 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Kids Come First In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Stevens John R DLVA wrote: > It's making me sick to do this, but looming private school payments are > forcing me to sell my toys. Soooo... offering to the list before putting it > in the paper: my barely broken-in '02 VFR. > > Pretty much bone-stock, the only mod is a Signal Dynamics taillight > modulator. I also have the headlight modulator, but it's not installed. > Also available are a FastBag (not installed), a Service Manual, and a Parts > Catalog. Uhm, how much? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 15:49:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25Knfie022301; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:49:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25KndJu022286; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:49:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030305204937.40936.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:49:37 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Kids Come First To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Poor planning. Glenn --- Stevens John R DLVA wrote: > It's making me sick to do this, but looming private > school payments are > forcing me to sell my toys. Soooo... offering to > the list before putting it > in the paper: my barely broken-in '02 VFR. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 16:55:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25Lt8ie026650; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:55:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25Lt8XJ026640; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:55:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:12:09 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Kids Come First In-Reply-To: <20030305204937.40936.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Poor planning. > > Glenn Geez, talk about kicking a guy while he's down. :-\ It must be tough being perfect, Glenn. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 16:58:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h25Lw3ie028025; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:58:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h25Lw3ld028018; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:58:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030305215801.77904.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Kids Come First To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Na, I'm just trying to make him feel guilty enough to keep it! ;-) Glenn --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Poor planning. > > > > Glenn > > Geez, talk about kicking a guy while he's down. :-\ > It must be tough > being perfect, Glenn. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 19:26:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h260QNie011612; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:26:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h260QNFa011602; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:26:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003101c2e377$02643450$6600a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030305170348.2682.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DCC does Daytona Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:26:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609a41c30c57d56dab9ffc025b30827ffb7a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I would have chimed in, Chris, but I have to be in Philly on business Sunday afternoon - amazing how many things can schedule themselves to happen at once :-( Michael J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 20:40:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h261edie016578; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:40:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h261eclZ016568; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:40:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011201c2e379$a94ae140$6a8a5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Little screws Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:45:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: Carl Schelin cschelin@XXXXXX ...snip and the left screw on the helmet shield disappeared somewhere on 95 ...snip I found it! I found it! Kidding of course but have to share this headsup. One of my January MC chores was locktiting the earpiece screws on my driving eyeglasses. Twice -- not once but twice -- in the last six months a screw came loose and the lens dropped out -- each time in a benign situation with both lens and screw recovered. Double Whew! Miles from home is a frown (though do carry (an ugly) backup). Incidentally have in the past lost a Shoei screw which dealer replaced with a smile. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > tightly screwed. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 22:46:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h263kgie022690; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:46:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h263kfV8022680; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:46:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E66C5FA.3FDEC645@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:52:26 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Shaft drive can't wheelie?!?!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's absurd. I've seen 85' Magna V65's wheelie...it ain't pretty but it can happen. What I'd like to see is a V65 stoppie. Maybe Custer can demonstrate on his Sabre. :) ...Not a "shaft-ist", Carl who is also Carl mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > > and you CAN'T wheelie *or countersteer* a shaftie. ------------------------- 82' Mag v45 - "Mystery Ship" 82' Mag v45 - "Parts Biaatch" 98' Bandit12S - ------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 5 22:50:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h263oIie025562; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:50:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h263oIJn025557; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:50:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030305214905.00b60ea0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:50:14 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Shaft drive can't wheelie?!?!? In-Reply-To: <3E66C5FA.3FDEC645@carlparker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Carl wrote: >That's absurd. I've seen 85' Magna V65's wheelie... You must have a stuffed-up nose....otherwise you would have been able to smell the sarcasm! :) Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 06:09:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26B94ie031929; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:09:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26B93mE031919; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:09:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Little screws Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:09:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" References: <011201c2e379$a94ae140$6a8a5b0c@micron> In-Reply-To: <011201c2e379$a94ae140$6a8a5b0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303060609144D.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:45, mobacc@XXXXXX wrote: > From: Carl Schelin cschelin@XXXXXX > ....snip > > and > the left screw on the helmet shield disappeared somewhere on 95 > ....snip > > I found it! I found it! > Awesome! I must have spent 4 hours driving up and down HOV looking for it! Where can we meet? > Kidding of course but have to share this headsup. Tease. :-) > One of my January MC > chores was locktiting the earpiece screws on my driving eyeglasses. > Twice -- not once but twice -- in the last six months a screw came loose > and the lens dropped out -- each time in a benign situation with both lens > and screw recovered. Double Whew! Miles from home is a frown (though do > carry (an ugly) backup). > Yea, I'm going to do that too, once I have it in the right position. > Incidentally have in the past lost a Shoei screw which dealer replaced with > a smile. > Yep, I took it back to Coleman's in Woodbridge. The guy who sold it to me and another salesperson rummaged around in their behind-the-desk bins and found a replacement package. He screwed it in and tightened the others. I could see the price was $3.95 (which I had no problem paying) but he said he couldn't find it in the system so it was on the house. > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > tightly screwed. Carl Not Tightly Wrapped Though > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 09:18:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26EISie002087; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:18:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26EIRHN002077; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:18:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E675814.745319EA@tasam.com> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:15:48 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shaft drive can't wheelie?!?!? References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030305214905.00b60ea0@mail.mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean Jordan wrote: > > Carl wrote: > >That's absurd. I've seen 85' Magna V65's wheelie... > > You must have a stuffed-up nose....otherwise you would have been able to > smell the sarcasm! > > :) > > Sean Jordan and I'm pretty sure that when I wrote that, I put a smiley on it. I did power wheelies on my 84 V65 magna until the day I sold it... and all bikes, aside from sidecar equipped, countersteer. Most people do it intuitively. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 09:24:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26EOnie003500; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:24:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26EOmuW003485; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:24:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17f.1786c462.2b98b42d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:24:45 EST Subject: Re: Flight anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/5/2003 10:17:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > somehow bodylean of a 200lb person is > supposed influence a vehicle weighing probably 1000+ lbs? Of course. In flight this would be a frictionless (not dragless) free hanging object. Think of balancing it carefully on a tightrope, now walk out on the wing, it _will_ tip. Or better yet think of it as a hang glider where the operators weight controls it totally. Also if I remember correctly the 2 forward thrusting rockets are on gimbals they could pivot to control lean. Not that this thing is not silly, it is. Thinking about how to "make" fanciful things like this work is good mental exercise and helpful in creative thinking, I see no other value in it beyond that. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 09:36:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26EaLie007603; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:36:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26EaLoW007593; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:36:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030306143614.62013.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Spring To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I smelled it yesterday. Did anyone else? ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 10:01:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26F12ie011935; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:01:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26F12xh011925; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:01:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E676275.FF5EE06E@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:00:05 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Spring References: <20030306143614.62013.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > I smelled it yesterday. Did anyone else? > What I smelled was the damp, moldy scent of winter rotted vegitation, a scent that keeps allergists in business. Of course, when I was on my Harley I smelled hot oil. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 10:04:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26F4Hie013357; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:04:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26F4Hpb013350; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:04:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Spring Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:04:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030306143614.62013.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030306143614.62013.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303061004314J.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 06 March 2003 09:36, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I smelled it yesterday. Did anyone else? > Oh yea. I came in with full gear including wet weather so that I could ride home in the warmth. Even the bonehead in the van who tried to take me out on the 14th street bridge couldn't kill the enjoyment of the ride home. When I left the gym last night, I considered making it a long ride home :-) Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 10:14:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26FE7ie017444; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:14:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26FE7Bg017433; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:14:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030306151329.75191.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:13:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Article in the Washington Jewish Week To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those who may be interested, there is an article about a possible Jewish motorcycle club in the Washington Jewish Week. I'm not thrilled with how deeply the reporter wrote about the negatives of riding, but what the heck, hopefully it will be good exposure overall. http://washingtonjewishweek.com/localstory.html?/wjw/277174724245672.bsp Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 10:14:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26FEFie017902; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:14:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26FEFKt017896; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:14:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Spring Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:14:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030306143614.62013.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> <3E676275.FF5EE06E@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E676275.FF5EE06E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303061014304K.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 06 March 2003 10:00, William J. Huson wrote: > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I smelled it yesterday. Did anyone else? > > What I smelled was the damp, moldy scent of winter rotted vegitation, a > scent that keeps allergists in business. Maybe it was the intoxicating smell of rotting plants but I still had the special "it's a great day for a ride" feeling. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 10:20:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26FK1ie024341; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:20:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26FK0fx024326; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:20:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c601c2e3f4$143f18c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , "DC Cycles" References: <20030306143614.62013.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> <3E676275.FF5EE06E@patriot.net> <0303061014304K.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Spring Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:20:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It could've been Blue Plains too. I didn't check the wind direction. But it was a refreshing change yesterday to carry, rather than wear, the riding gear from the office to the bike. Plenty of signs of spring in Georgia and the Carolinas. Hang in there people; it's coming...... Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Spring > On Thursday 06 March 2003 10:00, William J. Huson wrote: > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I smelled it yesterday. Did anyone else? > > > > What I smelled was the damp, moldy scent of winter rotted vegitation, a > > scent that keeps allergists in business. > > Maybe it was the intoxicating smell of rotting plants but I still had the > special "it's a great day for a ride" feeling. > > Carl > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if > Windows Source Code is made public. > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 11:20:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26GKRie027464; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:20:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26GKQRh027448; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:20:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:24:12 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: used tires Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since I got a tireqwik I've run into a little bit of a problem. How do you guys dispose of your used tires? Yard ornaments/swings/misc don't count. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 11:22:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26GMEie030309; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:22:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26GME4G030304; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:22:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E4921D@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: used tires Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:31:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain The FFX County garbage men take them. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: dan [SMTP:dan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:24 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: used tires > > Since I got a tireqwik I've run into a little bit of a problem. How do you > guys dispose of your used tires? Yard ornaments/swings/misc don't count. > > Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 11:53:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26Groie002177; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:53:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26GroSm002169; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:53:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017a01c2e400$df6a3e10$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "dan" , References: Subject: Re: used tires Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:53:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Special pickup by your neighborhood garbage man, call a local cycle shop and pay about $2.00 to get rid of it (they pay $1.00 to dispose of it), or find a big midnight dumpster that is open and can drop it in. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: used tires > Since I got a tireqwik I've run into a little bit of a problem. How do you > guys dispose of your used tires? Yard ornaments/swings/misc don't count. > > Dan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 12:33:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26HXNie005187; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:33:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26HXMmx005177; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:33:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.207] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "dan" , References: Subject: Re: used tires Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:32:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2003 17:33:00.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F0524E0:01C2E406] I live in MoCo, MD. We can take used tires to the "dump" on Shady Grove Rd. The recycling center takes tires, oil, antifreeze, etc... I don't see why you couldn't do the same (even if you don't live in MoCo)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: used tires > Since I got a tireqwik I've run into a little bit of a problem. How do you > guys dispose of your used tires? Yard ornaments/swings/misc don't count. > > Dan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 13:20:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26IKKie008183; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:20:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26IKKMq008175; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:20:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 13:21:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <20030306151329.75191.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030306151329.75191.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There was a mediocre NYT article last week about similar Harley clubs in NY. Great club names, though: "Star of Davidson" and "Hillel's Angels". --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: >For those who may be interested, there is an article about a possible >Jewish >motorcycle club in the Washington Jewish Week. I'm not thrilled with how >deeply the reporter wrote about the negatives of riding, but what the >heck, >hopefully it will be good exposure overall. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 15:39:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26Kdaie011839; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:39:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26KdZrv011829; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:39:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:39:10 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Spring MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2992FC99.3B5A6D0F.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is that what that was? I thought someone just had a bad case of gas. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/6/2003 9:36:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > I smelled it yesterday. Did anyone else? > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 15:44:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26Kiiie014570; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:44:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26KiiOq014557; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:44:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:44:30 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7DA300B9.7760EEAF.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not a bad read. You also wouldn't have happened to forward it because you were quoted in it, would you? ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/6/2003 10:13:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: > > > For those who may be interested, there is an article about a possible Jewish > motorcycle club in the Washington Jewish Week. I'm not thrilled with how > deeply the reporter wrote about the negatives of riding, but what the heck, > hopefully it will be good exposure overall. > > http://washingtonjewishweek.com/localstory.html?/wjw/2771747 > 24245672.bsp > > Louis > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Fairfax, VA > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 15:59:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h26KxCie017383; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:59:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h26KxA3T017371; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:59:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030306205903.89621.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:59:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Spring To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030306143614.62013.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii mark: sorry, that wasn't spring. it was the turd in your diapers. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I smelled it yesterday. 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 6 20:13:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h271Dbie028066; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:13:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h271Da7R028056; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:13:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 7 Mar 2003 01:13:27 GMT Message-ID: <03dc01c2e449$267a73e0$6401a8c0@nv.cox.net> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Corbett B" , "DC Cycles" References: <20030305050406.59301.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Daytona races live at Carpool this Sunday Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:30:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > > Doors open at 10 a.m. Make sure and thank your > hosting bartenders, Jorge (RC51) and Alex > (GSX-R750)for the courtesy. > We'll see you there! :) Laura (& Brian) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 07:36:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27CaWie003286; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:36:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27CaVf8003276; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:36:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030307123553.66694.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 04:35:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7DA300B9.7760EEAF.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Not a bad read. You also wouldn't have happened to forward it because you > were quoted in it, would you? ;-) Well, not just for that. Heck, maybe there are others out there who would be interested if a group does form. Although I learned from trying to help out with a deaf motorcycle group; it's easy to say "Hey, let's form a group!" but to actually do it is a real pain in the butt, with a lot of political infighting and "personal agendas" to overcome. Louis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 08:12:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27DCqie006187; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:12:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27DCpNQ006177; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:12:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:13:02 -0500 Subject: FW: NSVC: Walkin' the Dog, GSXR Style... From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030307035235.57855.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This makes American motorcycle commercials seem so... boring. ---------- From: Bill Metz Reply-To: SV650 Discussion List Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:52:35 -0800 To: SV650-L@XXXXXX Subject: NSVC: Walkin' the Dog, GSXR Style... http://www.sportbikerider.us/Sportbike_Rider/Videos/run_dog_run.mpg?CFID=547 482&CFTOKEN=95679941 PETA keeps us from having humorous ads like this... Bill ===== "Beer is God's way of telling us He loves us and wants us to be happy"- Benjamin Franklin http://www.geocities.com/bmetz99 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 08:18:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27DIfie010388; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:18:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27DIf67010377; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:18:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E689BF3.E5139E81@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:17:39 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week References: <20030307123553.66694.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > Well, not just for that. Heck, maybe there are others out there who would be > interested if a group does form. Although I learned from trying to help out > with a deaf motorcycle group; it's easy to say "Hey, let's form a group!" but > to actually do it is a real pain in the butt, with a lot of political > infighting and "personal agendas" to overcome. > Yep. I'm not a joiner but have been involved in clubs and organizations where membership is required, like racing outboards or flying model airplanes. Hobby sports, and the amount of political infighting and axe grinding that went on was appalling. Older (than dirt) and wiser (?) I shall remain patch free. Well, almost. If dc cycles decides to do patches I'd wear one. But the second someone whips out Robert's Rules of Order I'm outta there. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 08:36:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27DaLie014515; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:36:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27DaLKG014505; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:36:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303071336.QEI07487@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:36:32 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: FW: NSVC: Walkin' the Dog, GSXR Style... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Dave] Nicely done ! We've got more (un)reality shows that are far worse in taste than this... >This makes American motorcycle commercials seem so... boring. >http://www.sportbikerider.us/Sportbike_Rider/Videos/run_dog_r un.mpg?CFID=547 >482&CFTOKEN=95679941 [Dave] I'd rather have them target cats. At least my dogs will get the paper for me ;-)... All my mother in law's cat does is hiss at me... The very cat I rescued from it's feral home in the woods, and would still be eating acorns were it not for my generosity... It may have something to do with me being the feline Satan, but that's another matter. On top of all this, the damn thing won't even mouse for us ! ! ! ! maybe I'll put her back on the acorn diet ! Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 08:50:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27DoKie018618; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:50:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27DoKfR018608; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:50:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 07:51:20 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Track day bike wanted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h27DoIie018591 If anyone has a lead on a (local) race prepped track bike please pass it on. A Race prepped SV is ideal, but I will consider most anything. Needs to be well maintained and in good shape. Thanks, George Cole 301-523-4161 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 08:54:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Dslie024161; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:54:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27Dslt4024154; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:54:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbQCR4f0jIEnnkEjOFt8KU1sPEegpMdHpSCKzcH/XCi9Jwh6HsQCm4Jeyq6DtAwPS8= From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Article in the Washington Jewish Week Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:54:44 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010F20@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F3C9B@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I finally got the story to load. What struck me was the twice- (or thrice?) repeated "some motorcyclists wear Nazi emblems." WTF? Some car drivers do too. As a matter of fact, some people who eat kosher dill pickles have worn Nazi emblems. And I once saw a skinhead wearing Levis. And then there was the guy with the Nazi emblem who was *breathing air*. So you have to give up motorcycles, cars, dill pickles, Levis, and breathing to be a good Jew? --jon -------------Louis F. Caplan wrote: For those who may be interested, there is an article about a possible Jewish motorcycle club in the Washington Jewish Week. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 08:56:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Dudie026885; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:56:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27Dudbm026875; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:56:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:56:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week In-reply-to: <3E689BF3.E5139E81@patriot.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > Older (than dirt) and wiser (?) I shall remain patch free. Well, almost. If dc > cycles decides to do patches I'd wear one. But the second someone whips out > Robert's Rules of Order I'm outta there. > I'd go with Stickers, fwiw.. say 2 inches in diameter, reflective, suitable for sticking on the back fender or something. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:00:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27E0Zie029617; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:00:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27E0Zrb029612; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:00:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: Bike wanted: around $2500?? Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:59:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: dc-cycles@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h27E0Yie029600 Friend is looking for a bike for around $2500, in good condition, no later than 1990 model. Preferrably some type of 600cc sptbk. Open to any other sizes/suggestions though! You can email me off-list if you'd like. :) Thanks! Laurie '99 F4 email: lholland@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:24:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27EOpie005621; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:24:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27EOonA005611; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:24:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E68AB76.D76E884D@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:23:50 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel H. Brown" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > Older (than dirt) and wiser (?) I shall remain patch free. Well, almost. If dc > > cycles decides to do patches I'd wear one. But the second someone whips out > > Robert's Rules of Order I'm outta there. > > > > I'd go with Stickers, fwiw.. say 2 inches in diameter, reflective, suitable > for sticking on the back fender or something. ACK! A sticker onna Harley!!! Blasphemy! Besides, my OBX sticker takes up the bare spot on my back fender. But there's space on the fuel tank... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:30:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27EUdie008383; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:30:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27EUcQ2008371; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:30:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030307092830.0219efa0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:29:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week In-Reply-To: <3E68AB76.D76E884D@patriot.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:23 AM 3/7/2003, William J. Huson wrote: >ACK! A sticker onna Harley!!! Blasphemy! Besides, my OBX sticker takes >up the bare >spot on my back fender. But there's space on the fuel tank... Lemming. What is with all the OBX sticker mania in the DC area? Seems like a yuppie right of passage to paste the biggest OBX tribute possible on the back of your car - or somehow work it into your personalized license plate and frame. Ugh. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:36:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Ealie012464; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:36:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27EaknK012454; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:36:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: show in Chantilly Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:25:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2003 14:25:25.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[64F97A00:01C2E4B5] When is the motorcycle show in Chantilly? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:37:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27EbAie014034; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:37:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27EbAVd014028; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:37:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16d.19a11560.2b9a0887@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:36:55 EST Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/7/2003 8:56:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > I'd go with Stickers, fwiw.. say 2 inches in diameter, reflective, suitable > for sticking on the back fender or something. I second that emotion. It would be nice to know a "fellow" DC lister when passing or parking. At least I think it would. Maybe not. Nevermind. Damn. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:40:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Eeaie018158; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:40:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27Eeafp018153; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:40:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030307093929.021b63d8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:40:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: show in Chantilly 3-21 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed CW International Motorcycle Show, official schedule on the web The final schedule for the CW International Motorcycle Show is now on-line. Full schedule, info at http://www.motorcycleshows.com At 09:25 AM 3/7/2003, rich hall wrote: >When is the motorcycle show in Chantilly? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:41:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Effie018237; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:41:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27Effdv018230; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:41:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303071441.h27Efeie018217@dirty.meretrix.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 209.124.21.254 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: "'rich hall'" , Subject: RE: show in Chantilly Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:41:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.4523 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 March 21-23. For more info: http://wdc.motorcycleshows.com/imswdc/V33/index.cvn > -----Original Message----- > From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:25 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > When is the motorcycle show in Chantilly? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:42:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27EgPie020969; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:42:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27EgPC8020957; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:42:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: RE: show in Chantilly Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:41:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: dc-cycles@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h27EgOie020940 http://wdc.motorcycleshows.com/imswdc/V33/index.cvn Dates: March 21 - 23, 2003 Times: Friday, March 21st 4:00pm - 9:00pm Saturday, March 22nd 10:00am - 9:00pm Sunday, March 23rd 10:00am - 5:00pm -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:25 AM When is the motorcycle show in Chantilly? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:45:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Ejeie023756; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:45:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27Eje9C023749; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:45:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001101c2e4b8$324f7a20$6801a8c0@STEVEN> From: "Bruce N" To: References: Subject: Re: show in Chantilly Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:45:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 March 21-23 www.motorcycleshows.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" > When is the motorcycle show in Chantilly? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:46:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27EkPie023814; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:46:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27EkPnc023809; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:46:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:46:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week In-reply-to: <3E68AB76.D76E884D@patriot.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > I'd go with Stickers, fwiw.. say 2 inches in diameter, reflective, suitable > > for sticking on the back fender or something. > > ACK! A sticker onna Harley!!! Blasphemy! Besides, my OBX sticker takes up the bare > spot on my back fender. But there's space on the fuel tank... > Ehhh--- you have those bags don't you? Another layer and some sticky stuff couldn't hurt, could it? Besides, if its traffic sign yellow and reflective, that counts as a safety device. Loud colors save lives. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:46:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Ekoie023866; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:46:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27EkoHa023861; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:46:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:47:00 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E68AB76.D76E884D@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E68AB76.D76E884D@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303070947004R.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 07 March 2003 09:23, William J. Huson wrote: > "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > Older (than dirt) and wiser (?) I shall remain patch free. Well, > > > almost. If dc cycles decides to do patches I'd wear one. But the > > > second someone whips out Robert's Rules of Order I'm outta there. > > > > I'd go with Stickers, fwiw.. say 2 inches in diameter, reflective, > > suitable for sticking on the back fender or something. > > ACK! A sticker onna Harley!!! Blasphemy! Besides, my OBX sticker takes > up the bare spot on my back fender. But there's space on the fuel tank... > You have one of those OBnoXious stickers on your _bike_? Now I wouldn't be surprised to see a Hog sticker on it somewhere too *shakes head* Now on the helmet, I can see it. I have a lovely scratch on my other helmet. When I was in Patriot, I snagged one of their store stickets and covered the scratch with that. I'm about ready to reflective sticker my new helmet. Maybe this weekend after dancing with my baby at Polyester's. I may even be able to talk her into riding the bike up to DC. (Maybe not.) > Bill Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:47:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27ElCie023932; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:47:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27ElCCS023922; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:47:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006901c2e4b8$ab955080$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "rich hall" , References: Subject: Re: show in Chantilly Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:48:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 March 21-23. http://wdc.motorcycleshows.com/imswdc/V33/index.cvn Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:25 AM Subject: show in Chantilly > When is the motorcycle show in Chantilly? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:49:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Enxie002352; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:49:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27EnxkX002343; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:49:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:50:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <16d.19a11560.2b9a0887@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <16d.19a11560.2b9a0887@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303070950134S.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 07 March 2003 09:36, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/7/2003 8:56:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > brown@XXXXXX writes: > > I'd go with Stickers, fwiw.. say 2 inches in diameter, reflective, > > suitable for sticking on the back fender or something. > > I second that emotion. It would be nice to know a "fellow" DC lister when > passing or parking. I don't know. I'm pretty loud, color wise and no one has seen me yet (apparently). > At least I think it would. > Maybe not. > Nevermind. > Damn. Maybe we can have two or three color schemes for the sticker/patch. Then we could have a rumble between DC Cyclists and VA Cyclists and maybe MD Cyclists (any DE Cyclists here? PA Cyclists? Non- DC/VA/MD? (now I'm just wondering)). > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 09:58:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27EwRie007854; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:58:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27EwQ1l007844; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:58:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E68B35D.F4B54466@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:57:33 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week References: <3E68AB76.D76E884D@patriot.net> <0303070947004R.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > > ACK! A sticker onna Harley!!! Blasphemy! Besides, my OBX sticker takes > > up the bare spot on my back fender. But there's space on the fuel tank... > > You have one of those OBnoXious stickers on your _bike_? Now I wouldn't be > surprised to see a Hog sticker on it somewhere too *shakes head* Nope, not even a member of HOG. The sticker came in handy as a coverup. SWMBOed was bitching about my "Will F--k For Food:" sticker :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 10:03:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27F37ie012582; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:03:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27F370S012571; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:03:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 10:03:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: FWIW... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT NEDOD, another mailing list, has these as patches and reflective stickers: http://www.myplanet.net/lcjhnsn/Images/Geeky.JPG -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 10:04:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27F4xie014890; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:04:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27F4wBn014879; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:04:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb0tnII0QuX43Kmt07LZUBxyTSYR5SzbROxd7+PLZT1DnLLHaQ9zxx5dMXCAkcTQz4= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Article in the Washington Jewish Week Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:04:56 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E222C@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-reply-to: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F3D66@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal OBX? Old Brotherhood of Xavier? Is that a Catholic riding group? ----- Troutman wrote: > What is with all the OBX sticker mania in the DC area? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 10:06:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27F69ie016311; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:06:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27F69HB016303; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:06:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030307100530.022c6508@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 10:06:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: FWIW... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:03 AM 3/7/2003, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >NEDOD, another mailing list, has these as patches and reflective stickers: > > http://www.myplanet.net/lcjhnsn/Images/Geeky.JPG Oh yeah? Well what is your DOD number? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 10:06:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27F6Vie016367; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:06:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27F6VTV016360; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:06:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaQrBKL45XM1WxOm1IAZzgkFq41f+wavarM70PmerQlHkfB32FDhE9EiqsthPSwe9c= From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Article in the Washington Jewish Week Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:06:29 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E222E@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-reply-to: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F3D69@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal What, and get rid of all of the "saw a motorcycle this morning, fellow lister?" posts? -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:37 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week In a message dated 3/7/2003 8:56:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > I'd go with Stickers, fwiw.. say 2 inches in diameter, reflective, suitable > for sticking on the back fender or something. I second that emotion. It would be nice to know a "fellow" DC lister when passing or parking. At least I think it would. Maybe not. Nevermind. Damn. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 10:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27F7Eie017788; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:07:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27F7Eek017780; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:07:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E68B56C.35359E20@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 10:06:20 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel H. Brown" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > I'd go with Stickers, fwiw.. say 2 inches in diameter, reflective, suitable > > > for sticking on the back fender or something. > > > > ACK! A sticker onna Harley!!! Blasphemy! Besides, my OBX sticker takes up the bare > > spot on my back fender. But there's space on the fuel tank... > > > > Ehhh--- you have those bags don't you? Another layer and some sticky > stuff couldn't hurt, could it? Besides, if its traffic sign yellow > and reflective, that counts as a safety device. Loud colors save lives. Good point. Okay, the bags. I'm fixing to wrap the formally chromed bag guards with reflective tape anyway seeing as how Rust Never Sleeps. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 10:19:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27FJMie028685; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:19:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27FJM8u028675; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:19:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:19:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <0303070947004R.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E68B35D.F4B54466@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E68B35D.F4B54466@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303071019364T.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 07 March 2003 09:57, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > ACK! A sticker onna Harley!!! Blasphemy! Besides, my OBX sticker > > > takes up the bare spot on my back fender. But there's space on the > > > fuel tank... > > > > You have one of those OBnoXious stickers on your _bike_? Now I wouldn't > > be surprised to see a Hog sticker on it somewhere too *shakes head* > > Nope, not even a member of HOG. I think I'm a member but because it comes with the bike. So far the only thing I like is the map book. The sticker, patches and pins are on my desk somewhere (or under or in a box next to). > The sticker came in handy as a coverup. > SWMBOed was bitching about my "Will F--k For Food:" sticker :-) > You should have picked up the "15 thousand dollars and 15 miles doesn't make you a biker" sticker. Better attitude :-) > Bill Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 10:29:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27FTaie030206; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:29:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27FTZf5030194; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:29:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 10:29:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: FWIW... In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.0.20030307100530.022c6508@mail.troutman.org> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Troutman wrote: > Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 10:06:04 -0500 > From: Troutman > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: FWIW... > At 10:03 AM 3/7/2003, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > >NEDOD, another mailing list, has these as patches and reflective stickers: > > > > http://www.myplanet.net/lcjhnsn/Images/Geeky.JPG > > Oh yeah? Well what is your DOD number? > > I'd tell you, but then I'd have to... :-) 50 deg + forecast for tomorrow. Bike reg updated, new stickers in hand and headed for the plate, time to ride! -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 10:34:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27FYtie031684; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:34:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27FYtxY031674; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:34:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Article in the Washington Jewish Week In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030307092830.0219efa0@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Troutman wrote: > Lemming. What is with all the OBX sticker mania in the DC area? Seems > like a yuppie right of passage to paste the biggest OBX tribute possible on > the back of your car - or somehow work it into your personalized license > plate and frame. Ugh. Unless being paid to endorse something, my cars/trucks/motorcycles are not stickercharged. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 10:41:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27FfHie000680; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:41:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27FfHcd000674; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:41:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030307154110.12033.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:41:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Article in the Washington Jewish Week To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010F20@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > What struck me was the twice- (or thrice?) repeated "some motorcyclists > wear Nazi emblems." WTF? Some car drivers do too. I agree with ya there, that part of the article (as well as the talk about all the danger invloved) went a little too far I thought. When the reporter interviewed me, he asked a few questions about the dangers of riding, but I guess my answers didn't sound horrible enough for him to use it. Then he started asking about how my family and Rabbi viewed my riding. Again, pretty tame answers (heck, my Rabbi said his son is interested in motorcycles, and when he gets a little older, maybe I'd take him for a ride... gee, I wonder why that didn't make it in?) > So you have to give up motorcycles, cars, dill pickles, Levis, and > breathing to be a good Jew? Hmmm, I'd give up cars and Levis, but that's as far as I go! ;-) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 11:04:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27G4Oie006283; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:04:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27G4LfP006273; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:04:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030307160418.78556.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:04:18 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Spring To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030306205903.89621.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How'd you get a lawyer in your diapers, Mark? --- Tom Gimer wrote: > mark: > sorry, that wasn't spring. it was the turd in your > diapers. > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I smelled it yesterday. Did anyone else? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 11:59:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Gx2ie010694; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:59:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27Gx247010684; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:59:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303071658.QEI22919@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:59:13 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Spring To: DC Cycles X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C'mon Larry... That's not necessary. What did Turds ever do to you to deserve comparing them to lawyers? Dave > >How'd you get a lawyer in your diapers, Mark? > >--- Tom Gimer wrote: >> mark: >> sorry, that wasn't spring. it was the turd in your >> diapers. >> >> >> >> --- Mark Kitchell wrote: >> > I smelled it yesterday. Did anyone else? > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 12:17:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27HHmie013563; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:17:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27HHlLs013553; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:17:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030307171740.49495.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Spring To: Larry Larson , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030307160418.78556.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii mr. bobbysocks scores an ace! --- Larry Larson wrote: > How'd you get a lawyer in your diapers, Mark? > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > mark: > > sorry, that wasn't spring. it was the turd in your > > diapers. > > > > > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I smelled it yesterday. Did anyone else? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 13:33:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27IXXie016724; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:33:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27IXVEG016709; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:33:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E68E44E.F08EBABA@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 13:26:22 -0500 From: Carl Parker Reply-To: carl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Sat. March 8th ride... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case anyone is interested I'm planning on going fur' a ride morrow'. I'll be at the Manassass rest stop heading out of town at 10am. I'll wait aroundfor about 15 minz. I've got a black Bandit 1200S. All riders and bikes welcome. Gonna be taking it easy -most of the time :) - cuz I'm sure the heat will be out trying to financially capitalize on a sunny day. Yahoo? Voc. if you prefer 703.587.4135 VROOM! VROOM! Carl who is also Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 14:13:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27JD4ie021241; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:13:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27JD35M021231; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:13:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: carl@XXXXXX, Carl Parker , DCCycles Subject: Re: Sat. March 8th ride... Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:13:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E68E44E.F08EBABA@carlparker.com> In-Reply-To: <3E68E44E.F08EBABA@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303071413054U.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 07 March 2003 13:26, Carl Parker wrote: > In case anyone is interested I'm planning on going fur' a ride > morrow'. I'll be at the Manassass rest stop heading out of town at > 10am. I'll wait aroundfor about 15 minz. I've got a black Bandit > 1200S. All riders and bikes welcome. Gonna be taking it easy -most > of the time :) - cuz I'm sure the heat will be out trying to > financially capitalize on a sunny day. Yahoo? > You would have to pick tomorrow. I'm bringing down two servers for maintenance starting at 9am to 1pm. But I'll be thinking about everyone :-( Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 14:23:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27JNpie024045; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:23:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27JNoLA024035; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:23:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 14:23:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Sat. March 8th ride... In-reply-to: <0303071413054U.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> To: DCCycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > You would have to pick tomorrow. I'm bringing down two servers for > maintenance starting at 9am to 1pm. > > But I'll be thinking about everyone :-( Didn't you work last weekend? You really need to start living up to the BOFH moniker. Anyone who wants something done to a server better have their poop in a pile no later than Friday AM. :-) We'll be thinking of you too Carl. Caller: I need more disk space... BOFH: Hmm. There you go ;-) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 14:46:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Jk2ie026940; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:46:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27Jjx0H026923; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:45:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Sat. March 8th ride... Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:46:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303071446144V.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 07 March 2003 14:23, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > You would have to pick tomorrow. I'm bringing down two servers for > > maintenance starting at 9am to 1pm. > > > > But I'll be thinking about everyone :-( > > Didn't you work last weekend? You really need to start living up to the > BOFH moniker. Anyone who wants something done to a server better have > their poop in a pile no later than Friday AM. > Man, don't get me started. Secretive (that sounds disgusting) phone calls; "what version of sendmail are we running?", "which systems have it?". Spending the weekend preparing for upgrading even though we didn't have the patch or even who was affected. Finally have the patch and made the decision to upgrade the systems to most current rather than patch existing versions. Mainly because a couple were below minimum version. Have security scan the infrastructure; who's running sendmail in server mode? Clear the ones that have it running for no good reason. Plan upgrades for the ones we need. "By the way, the mail server has exceeded tape the last two nights; we don't have a good backup." WTF! Ok, we save the last server until tomorrow. The admins are all junior level. The last two nights the upgrades have failed. Last night because of a typo in the configuration and the junior admin didn't think to tell me what the error was so it could have been corrected last night. The backout failed so the server was unavailable for mail for 4 hours. The other admin logged in and spent two hours searching for the problem. Finally, at 10 last night they called me. After 10 minutes; "flip on the suid bit on the sendmail binary" and the problem is fixed. > :-) > > We'll be thinking of you too Carl. > Thanks. I appreciate it. > > Caller: I need more disk space... > BOFH: Hmm. There you go > Customer: You can't use the tape drive off of that server. We paid for 130 gig backup to do a full backup of 3 gigs each night. BOFH: I'm changing the 130 gig backup to the mail server tomorrow, it doesn't matter what you paid for. If the mail server crashes, your mail is gone. Customer: ! I actually had the customer cursing. I don't think I've ever heard him curse. > ;-) Yea, I guess. > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 14:53:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Jr7ie028388; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:53:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27Jr72A028379; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:53:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E68F85A.7120157B@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 14:51:54 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel H. Brown" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FWIW... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > 50 deg + forecast for tomorrow. Bike reg updated, new stickers in hand and > headed for the plate, time to ride! Don't forget your county tax sticker & inspection sticker! The fine for failing to display a county tax sticker is a wallet vacuum. Not that *I* would know these things from personal experiance. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 15:14:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27KEOie032613; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:14:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27KENgI032603; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:14:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030307201418.61516.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:14:18 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: Sat. March 8th ride... To: Carl Schelin , carl@XXXXXX, Carl Parker , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <0303071413054U.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>You would have to pick tomorrow. I'm bringing down >>two servers for maintenance starting at 9am to 1pm. I've got a much better excuse for not going. We are giving my "new" Triumph a motorectomy tomorrow. Anyone who is really bored and thinks that several hours of manual labor is "fun" is more than welcome to stop by... especially when we get to the really old, rusty stripped bolts! :) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 16:00:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27L0pie003398; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:00:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27L0mkk003383; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:00:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. March 8th ride... Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 16:00:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2003 21:00:41.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CAEEE80:01C2E4EC] I've got ya beat, I'm not picking up the brand new '02 SVS til 11:30am and they said to expect to be there an hour. >From: patti rodgers >To: Carl Schelin , carl@XXXXXX, Carl Parker >, DCCycles >Subject: Re: Sat. March 8th ride... >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:14:18 -0800 (PST) > > >>You would have to pick tomorrow. I'm bringing down > >>two servers for maintenance starting at 9am to 1pm. > >I've got a much better excuse for not going. We are >giving my "new" Triumph a motorectomy tomorrow. Anyone >who is really bored and thinks that several hours of >manual labor is "fun" is more than welcome to stop >by... especially when we get to the really old, rusty >stripped bolts! :) > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 16:29:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27LTcie006528; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:29:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27LTc7H006518; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:29:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E690F0C.BA667019@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 16:28:44 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. March 8th ride... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rich hall wrote: > I've got ya beat, I'm not picking up the brand new '02 SVS til 11:30am and > they said to expect to be there an hour. Piff! I must take Milady car shopping tommorrow. This could involve more'n a dozen dealers and up to forty seven "change up my mind" reversals. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 17:08:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27M8Wie009622; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:08:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27M8Vvl009612; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:08:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. March 8th ride... Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:08:45 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E690F0C.BA667019@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E690F0C.BA667019@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03030717084550.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 07 March 2003 16:28, William J. Huson wrote: > rich hall wrote: > > I've got ya beat, I'm not picking up the brand new '02 SVS til 11:30am > > and they said to expect to be there an hour. > > Piff! I must take Milady car shopping tommorrow. This could involve > more'n a dozen dealers and up to forty seven "change up my mind" reversals. > Hah, did that *last* Saturday. She gave her Subaru that she'd owned for 12 years to her daughter who promptly drove it into the ground. She bought a new Neon just before we met. She's been pissing and moaning about having a Subaru again. I kept telling her to just go get the damn thing. Saturday we did. She (we. we) got a 1999 Suburu Legacy Wagon (Outback) for just a couple of bucks per month more than her Neon. She disappeared on Sunday for 5 hours driving that thing around. The amusing part was that when we bought the Ranger two years ago, I needed her credit history to buy it (the mortgage company sold my mortgage to another company but failed to remove itself from my report; I got it cleaned up last summer). This time she had to use my credit to get her car. She cosigned for her daughter's overpriced Jeep SUV thing. > Bill Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 17:27:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27MRpie012553; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:27:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27MRpY5012545; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:27:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E691CB1.878D24E@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:26:57 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dang kids! References: <3E690F0C.BA667019@patriot.net> <03030717084550.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Hah, did that *last* Saturday. She gave her Subaru that she'd owned for 12 > years to her daughter who promptly drove it into the ground. She bought a new > Neon just before we met. She's been pissing and moaning about having a Subaru > again. I kept telling her to just go get the damn thing. > > Saturday we did. She (we. we) got a 1999 Suburu Legacy Wagon (Outback) for > just a couple of bucks per month more than her Neon. She disappeared on > Sunday for 5 hours driving that thing around. > > The amusing part was that when we bought the Ranger two years ago, I needed > her credit history to buy it (the mortgage company sold my mortgage to > another company but failed to remove itself from my report; I got it cleaned > up last summer). > > This time she had to use my credit to get her car. She cosigned for her > daughter's overpriced Jeep SUV thing. Me'n the boy redid a `69 Cuda for his first ride, not counting the Dodge Ram he wass piling miles on out of the traner driver box. Then he took my Z-28 to college. Hey, waht a dang minute! So I bought him a program Sundance - cash, then got Milady her currant ride, the Lebaron ragtop. Meanwhile, Granny gave my daughter her old Omni which lastest six weeks before total job #1. I rebuilt it, another year and total job #2, not her fault. So I cosign and kick in $$$ for a Daytona. Then she spies a *cute* PWC (personal watecraft) "Got your checkbook with you, dad?" Yeesh! Few years go by, Daytona pukes a tranny at 115K - le junk. She buys a Neon with Milady cosigning and me paying the tab! Meanwhile, son has a fairly new car but is buying a house and needs to dump the debt. Daddy coughs up 5K to pay off the loan and becomes the *official* owner. Did I mention the additional $$$ to grease the house deal? Under the right lighting you can see SUCKER tattooed on my forehead. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 17:55:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27Mtaie017023; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:55:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27MtZcS017013; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:55:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01bc01c2e4f1$5f15a320$6a8a5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Stolen Bike Nest Raided Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:34:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 On Ch4 about 5:15p -- A stolen bike nest discovered and raided by PG Police in Capitol Heights. Clips showed several upright sportsbikes in driveway and other parts closeby. An officer talked of continuing action. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > not yet Lojack'ed Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 18:12:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27NCjie020082; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:12:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h27NCiPA020072; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:12:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:29:32 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Stolen Bike Nest Raided In-Reply-To: <01bc01c2e4f1$5f15a320$6a8a5b0c@micron> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Mobacc (now @ATT) wrote: > On Ch4 about 5:15p -- A stolen bike nest discovered and raided by PG Police > in Capitol Heights. Clips showed several upright sportsbikes in driveway > and other parts closeby. An officer talked of continuing action. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > not yet Lojack'ed 6:11pm ->> I'm watching, they're replaying the story in the next break. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 21:11:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h282Bvie031036; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 21:11:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h282Bu5W031026; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 21:11:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030308021154.89387.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:11:54 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Spring To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030307171740.49495.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn, he got me. And I just got back from the courts, with my little white socks still on and a cute little black sweatband too. Unfortunately, not many aces tonight, but got lucky and won four out of five sets. Went on the 919, too -- cold as hell tonight with short pants on, even for only eight miles. Made me wish it had a fairing. I should stay up Thursdays until 3 am playing poker and drinking single malts more often. Even had two pigeons in the game who *liked* Loch Dhu. Bottle is now below half-full. Any very low-stakes poker players in dc-cycles? Any single malts at Car Pool? Don't think I've ever noticed... F1 second qualies tonight, race tomorrow night, for those of younot fatally allergic to four-wheelers. -- Larry --- Tom Gimer wrote: > mr. bobbysocks scores an ace! > > > > --- Larry Larson wrote: > > How'd you get a lawyer in your diapers, Mark? > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > mark: > > > sorry, that wasn't spring. it was the turd in your > > > diapers. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > I smelled it yesterday. Did anyone else? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 22:23:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h283NBie003069; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:23:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h283NA8G003059; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:23:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 22:22:24 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX, cschelin@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dang kids! MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6AEBDB06.78830F78.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Dad, I need a few thousand to pay off my car/bike/student loan/credit cards/etc. so that I can dump my debt. Where shall we meet for the exchange? :-) Your Long Lost Son, Scooter In a message dated 3/7/2003 5:26:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Hah, did that *last* Saturday. She gave her Subaru that she'd owned for 12 > > years to her daughter who promptly drove it into the ground. She bought a new > > Neon just before we met. She's been pissing and moaning about having a Subaru > > again. I kept telling her to just go get the damn thing. > > > > Saturday we did. She (we. we) got a 1999 Suburu Legacy Wagon (Outback) for > > just a couple of bucks per month more than her Neon. She disappeared on > > Sunday for 5 hours driving that thing around. > > > > The amusing part was that when we bought the Ranger two years ago, I needed > > her credit history to buy it (the mortgage company sold my mortgage to > > another company but failed to remove itself from my report; I got it cleaned > > up last summer). > > > > This time she had to use my credit to get her car. She cosigned for her > > daughter's overpriced Jeep SUV thing. > > Me'n the boy redid a `69 Cuda for his first ride, not counting the Dodge Ram he > wass piling miles on out of the traner driver box. Then he took my Z-28 to > college. Hey, waht a dang minute! So I bought him a program Sundance - cash, > then got Milady her currant ride, the Lebaron ragtop. Meanwhile, Granny gave my > daughter her old Omni which lastest six weeks before total job #1. I rebuilt it, > another year and total job #2, not her fault. So I cosign and kick in $$$ for a > Daytona. Then she spies a *cute* PWC (personal watecraft) "Got your checkbook > with you, dad?" Yeesh! Few years go by, Daytona pukes a tranny at 115K - le > junk. She buys a Neon with Milady cosigning and me paying the tab! Meanwhile, > son has a fairly new car but is buying a house and needs to dump the debt. Daddy > coughs up 5K to pay off the loan and becomes the *official* owner. Did I mention > the additional $$$ to grease the house deal? > > Under the right lighting you can see SUCKER tattooed on my > forehead. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 7 22:53:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h283rHie007281; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:53:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h283rH0K007273; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:53:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6968F8.93CBB49B@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 22:52:24 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dang kids! References: <6AEBDB06.78830F78.0C9D3659@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey Dad, > > I need a few thousand to pay off my car/bike/student loan/credit cards/etc. so that I can dump my debt. Where shall we meet for the exchange? :-) > > Your Long Lost Son, Scooter HA! After two kids you think I have any money left? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 8 12:43:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h28HhRie015413; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:43:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h28HhPIv015403; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:43:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6A2BF6.1AE9892F@tasam.com> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 12:44:22 -0500 From: Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: [Fwd: Flip-up helmets... a "funny" story] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got this from another list, and though I'd share... Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip fastener as well, among other features. Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!! Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch. Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid -- I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars ....squeeze the release buttons ... bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite! Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be interesting...can't quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone even if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has great engine braking and when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me in it!! Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeeeeeez, I'm going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head. Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket. When I had recovered, I realised there were two observations here:- No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move. and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 8 20:46:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h291kvie030398; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:46:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h291ktN5030391; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:46:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 20:42:46 -0500 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: races at Carpool? To: "dccycles (E-mail)" Message-id: <000001c2e5dd$3061bcc0$0b913044@fred> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal What time are they airing the races tomorrow on Cable and is anyone planning on watching them at Carpool? Can you let me know the time, please reply directly as I am digest challenged. Thanks, Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 8 22:54:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h293sdie004197; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:54:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h293sdA8004187; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:54:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030308215405.00b72280@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 21:54:38 -0600 To: Lisa Goddard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: races at Carpool? In-Reply-To: <000001c2e5dd$3061bcc0$0b913044@fred> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For Lisa and the list-at-large: 8:30 am Motorsport Mundial 9:00 am Daytona Bike Week 2003 on Speed 9:30 am AMA 250 GRAND PRIX MOTORCYCLE RACING Daytona 10:30 am AMA 600 SUPERSPORT Daytona 11:30 am BMW BOXER CUP Daytona 12:30 pm AMA SUPERBIKE PRE-RACE Daytona 1:00 pm AMA SUPERBIKE Daytona 200 3:30 pm AMA SUPERSTOCK MOTORCYCLES Daytona Coverage is live on Speedvision. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 9 09:09:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h29E9tie023499; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:09:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h29E9sAS023489; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:09:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Key West Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 13:58:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2003 13:58:44.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF659580:01C2E643] Hoy Hoy everyone, Just got back from Key West (I was working) but I did note a few things while there. 1. Spring Break was cranking up and the crowds were starting to pick up. 2. A lot of residual HD riders were coming down and probably heading North to Daytona once that scene fired up. 3. Not a lot of Sport Bikes out. 4. A few Wings 5. A few BMW's 6. A buttload of Harleys 7. 1 Indian 8. A few rice cruisers 9. Harley riders are for the most part geezers/posers 10. The diving was superb 11. The roads were flat, straight and why a biker would travel there to ride, I have absolutely no idea (hence the absence of sport bikes). 12. It's a tourist trap (Key West), Marathon, Islamorada and Largo offer better venues (camping, diving, fishing). 13. The beaches (what few exist) are coral based and suck for anything except just laying down. 14. It's a boaters paradise. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 9 16:10:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h29LA2ie031215; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:10:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h29L9xQ9031192; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:09:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030309210957.12266.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:09:57 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Marhefsky Subject: Spring Cleaning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hope this isn't inappropriate, but I'm cleaning out the closet and am hopeful that someone can use this stuff. Prices are somewhat negotiable. Joe Rocket Revolution boots size 12 (worn 1x, you wouldn't know if I didn't tell you). $75 Brosh Ultra Cool K with armor and backprotector XLT - as new $100 Bohn Airtex BodyGuard armor and backprotector Exc++ size 5 - $50 Thanks, Brian __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 11:00:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AG0Aie021333; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:00:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AG08Gl021325; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:00:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6CB647.821BD736@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:59:03 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Sure is quiet... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I reckon the dc-cycles crowd is in Floridumb at the annual Trailer Queen and Flash-Your-Rack show. Or maybe that was last week and y`all are recovering. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 11:09:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AG9uie027115; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:09:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AG9ut9027105; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:09:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:07:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Sure is quiet... In-reply-to: <3E6CB647.821BD736@patriot.net> To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > I reckon the dc-cycles crowd is in Floridumb at the annual Trailer Queen > and Flash-Your-Rack show. Or maybe that was last week and y`all are > recovering. Too tired from being out riding and fighting the wind maybe? Took the VFR out yesterday, on the pretense of going up to the grocery store. Headed out by the Pentagon and was going to run up the parkway and back, but was getting blown all over the road. Decided to just go do the shopping and head home. Saturday found me in Spotsylvania, talking to the guys at Morton's. (gulp) ;-) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 11:27:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AGRXie029980; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:27:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AGRW3r029970; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:27:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6CBCBF.FA648251@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:26:39 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel H. Brown" CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Sure is quiet... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > > I reckon the dc-cycles crowd is in Floridumb at the annual Trailer Queen > > and Flash-Your-Rack show. Or maybe that was last week and y`all are > > recovering. > > Too tired from being out riding and fighting the wind maybe? > > Took the VFR out yesterday, on the pretense of going up to the grocery > store. Headed out by the Pentagon and was going to run up the parkway and > back, but was getting blown all over the road. Decided to just go do the > shopping and head home. > > Saturday found me in Spotsylvania, talking to the guys at Morton's. > (gulp) Saturday found me at the Chrysler dealer. Milady was panting over her dream car, a dark blue loaded 2003 PT Cruiser. Of course I had my checkbook with me - WHAT WAS I THINKING! Oh well, she's a happy girl. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do - if he ever wants to play with *fuzzy* again :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 12:35:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AHZoie003540; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:35:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AHZlZu003525; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:35:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Sure is quiet... Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:35:33 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E6CB647.821BD736@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E6CB647.821BD736@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303101235335I.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 10 March 2003 10:59, William J. Huson wrote: > I reckon the dc-cycles crowd is in Floridumb at the annual Trailer Queen > and Flash-Your-Rack show. Or maybe that was last week and y`all are > recovering. > Saturday I worked until 1pm then went home and washed and waxed the bike. She was quite dirty of course and I found three rock dings in the tank and two on the front fender under the tree. Sunday my wife was going stir crazy and wanted to go for a walk. I told her that I cleaned the bike and wanted to go for a ride. We were at an impass and it looked like we were going in different directions until I told her that I'd replace my solo seat with the original one and we could ride to the walk, take a walk and ride back. She agreed. As I got the bike ready, I discovered that the left turn signal bulb had gone out. I went over to AdvanceAuto (or whatever they're called) but there were lots of people in and they only had Sylvania bulbs with no conversion chart. I had no way of telling what Sylvania bulb I'd need for a GE198 marked bulb. So we headed up to GW Parkway, stopped at Mt. Vernon, packed up our chaps and my boots in the backpack and we headed off. No room for the leather jackets so I wore mine and Rita tied hers around her waist. Lots and lots of bikes on the parkway yesterday. I saw a V-Rod among all the others. When we hit about 2 miles, I asked about how far we were going to walk, reminding her that eventually she was going to have to carry this 30 or 40 pound backpack and that I needed to hit the bathroom (or dense brush). We walked a bit farther and then turned around. At the parking lot there was a group of bikers chatting and we saw a couple of BMW sport bikes (something 700 was on the tail). After the hike, we headed out to look at some of the houses and then off to get something to eat. Alexandria looked inviting but it was packed. We headed on down Rt 1 and hit a mexican place. The food was about the same as every other mexican fast food place. Same items on the menu, same seats, Rita even commented that the scroll work on the seats looked like the ones at El Paso in Woodbridge. Anyway, we stopped at Pep Boys in Woodbridge to chase down a bulb. They have Sylvania bulbs too so I went back to ask. I told the guy that I had a GE198 bulb and couldn't find a conversion chart back by the Sylvania bulbs. Clerk: We don't have GE bulbs. Me: I know, do you have a conversion chart? Clerk: There's a computer thing back there. What's it for? Me: It shouldn't matter but it's a Harley-Davidson. Clerk: Oh, we don't carry motorcycle light bulbs. Me: It's just a light bulb (this was on the way to the light bulbs). Clerk: See, this chart is just for cars. Me: I can see that, if there's no conversion chart for light bulbs, how do I find out which Sylvania bulbs I can use? Clerk: The model numbers match. The Sylvania bulb numbers are the same as the GE ones. See, we have 195s but not 198s. Me: Ahh, ok, thanks. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 12:42:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AHgsie006398; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:42:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AHgrU5006387; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:42:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030310174221.92618.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:42:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Daytona Lunch To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030131152843.40771.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yawn, rode back up from Daytona yesterday. Hard rain through Jacksonville really slowed me down. Looked like everybody was getting through it safely though. Hey, Chris, did I miss an e-mail while on the road or was this carrabbas lunch thing a joke? I went by there Saturday and found they don't open till 4PM. Oh well, ;-) --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Okay, looks like there's enough people interested to > make a go of it. > > When: Saturday, March 8th, Noon > Where: Carrabba's Italian Grill, Daytona Beach > http://carrabbas.know-where.com/carrabbas/cgi/site?site=6005&address= > > Tell the seating person that you're in the dc-cycles > group. RSVP to me with a definite "yes" if you're > going to make it so we will have an approximate > headcount for the table. > > I look forward to seeing you guys/gals there! > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 12:48:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AHmLie010615; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:48:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AHmLgm010607; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:48:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:48:08 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: skip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Flip-up helmets... a "funny" story] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <36F5F8EA.35DCA18C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Funny read every time I see it. Nice little Urban Legend also. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/8/2003 12:44:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > > I got this from another list, and though I'd share... > > > > Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the > type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing > two thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with > electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the > throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably > constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear > gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro > flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip > fastener > as well, among other features. > > Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and > a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the > Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the > electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate > vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!! Junction of highway > with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow down > yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch. > > Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small > gap > I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet > visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be > stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now > behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't > want to be stung on the eyelid -- I'll just open the chin piece on my > BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars > ....squeeze the release buttons ... bike is nicely balanced and holding > line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got > the > helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam > shut helmet ... hands back to bars > > ---- oh, sheeite! > Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though > I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be interesting...can't quite > press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km > away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... > no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone even if > you > fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was absolutely right, > they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off first. Well, next > brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot brake --- nooo, dumb > idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has great engine braking and > when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the > dreaded > BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have > major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick > and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me in > it!! Won't do the bike much good either!!! > > Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one and half k's away and I > am > really starting to get the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are > beginning to pucker ... if the lights change to red and that huge > B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the > lights is in the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeeeeeez, > I'm > going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! > Must try and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... > 800 metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are > slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, > yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... > > I am going to have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... > can't hit that @#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco > ... > yes! yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel > cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the > shoulder > > ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall bike > ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand still > glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got toothache ... > fall off > into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till the shaking stops and the > adrenalin rush dissipates... now release helmet with left hand and > remove > sweat > soaked head. Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a > Tatts ticket. > > When I had recovered, I realised there were two observations here:- > No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet > when on the > move. > and > No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 15:36:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AKaMie017092; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:36:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AKaLTN017082; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:36:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030310203618.26034.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:36:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Redskins Season Tickets for SALE To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had a buyer but he feel through. I have two season tickets to the redskins you can have at cost. Upper Level Section: 401 Row: 20 Seats: 25-26 These are good seats--look up the seats at the Redskins website. Around mid-field with great view of the field. 10 Home games, 2 preseason, 8 regular Green parking passes NOT included, but can be purchased at cost if you want them. As with anyone selling their season tickets, I need payment now, for delivery in August (when the Redskins send them out). We can of course sign a contract to that effect. But the money is due to the Skins this week. Thanks and hit me offline if interested. ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 15:45:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AKjtie022920; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:45:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AKjtgn022909; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:45:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA inspection question Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:45:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My bike's been parked so long the inspection expired in February. I plan to ride it to the nearest inspection station and need a recommendation for one in Rosslyn or Arlington. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 15:51:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AKpvie028725; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:51:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AKpuno028715; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:51:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030310205149.95785.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:51:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: VA inspection question To: bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Crossroads Cycles --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > My bike's been parked so long the inspection expired > in February. I plan to > ride it to the nearest inspection station and need a > recommendation for one > in Rosslyn or Arlington. > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Annandale, VA > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 15:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AKq1ie028757; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:52:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AKq1Ba028753; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:52:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:51:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: VA inspection question In-reply-to: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:45:41 -0500 > From: bernescut@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: VA inspection question > > My bike's been parked so long the inspection expired in February. I plan to > ride it to the nearest inspection station and need a recommendation for one > in Rosslyn or Arlington. For my car, I've used the citgo station on Columbia pike, next to Bob and Edith's. Among other things, they're open on Sunday. For my bike, I have prefered Crossroads cycles, which is near Bailey's Crossroads. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 15:52:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AKqmie028835; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:52:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AKqlmR028831; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:52:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: VA inspection question X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:52:40 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E9004@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: VA inspection question Thread-Index: AcLnRi2v0y3vdtnfRGahxKz5cUbFlQAAIRNw From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2AKqkie028819 Colman's in Falls Church will do a VA inspection for free. Go to wherethepoweris.com for details. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > -----Original Message----- > From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:46 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: VA inspection question > > > My bike's been parked so long the inspection expired in > February. I plan to > ride it to the nearest inspection station and need a > recommendation for one > in Rosslyn or Arlington. > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Annandale, VA > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 15:55:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AKtuie004830; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:55:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AKttqL004817; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:55:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030310145448.00b6a148@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:56:02 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Cheapest tires Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ok, let's fire up a nice, traditional DC-Cycles topic: Where's the cheapest place to order tires from? Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 16:06:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AL6Gie014956; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:06:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AL6G3v014944; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:06:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030310210608.82258.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:06:08 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: VA inspection question To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E9004@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh that just sounds FRAUGHT with danger. Inspection from Coleman: Free Repairs to pass inspection: Pricey --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > Colman's in Falls Church will do a VA inspection for > free. Go to wherethepoweris.com for details. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bernescut@XXXXXX > [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:46 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: VA inspection question > > > > > > My bike's been parked so long the inspection > expired in > > February. I plan to > > ride it to the nearest inspection station and need > a > > recommendation for one > > in Rosslyn or Arlington. > > Cedric > > 2000 CBR600F4 > > Annandale, VA > > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 16:13:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ALDuie019281; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:13:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ALDt2M019266; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:13:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZyvlR62eSR10Eb0TdOKeq6Zq15jDUA+V37ICot/pBAbrmzcZ8ztzSuYelb5cvb2Tc= From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Barry Sheene RIP Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:13:51 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2267@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F3DE1@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal http://abc.net.au/news/justin/nat/newsnat-10mar2003-66.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 16:17:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ALHAie022358; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:17:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ALHACQ022348; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:17:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYZTGEInUm0xCDE2H5mEBSIIvpcTRv3b/XjBDW/ZoJ/+kTblHx/vQW6/ojslDDd5P8= From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Ride this weekend Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:17:06 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2269@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F3DE1@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Many others get out this weekend? I had a good Saturday ride. Some of the roads were a bit messy (salt, sand, and snow-melt water), but many were superb. The new pavement on 211 (this side) was superb. I even managed to drag a peg around Kitchell Korner. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 16:18:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ALIQie024009; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:18:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ALIPit024003; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:18:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbJ4lYk5uwAkfSbUDyr2HuOinyYUXLUMH1MFDC+bGap3OMSQMtksxthN6FunqfvenM= From: "Jon Strang" To: , Subject: RE: VA inspection question Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:18:21 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E226A@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F3F68@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal The Texaco on Columbia Pike (next to Bob and Edith's...b/w Glebe and the Pentagon) is usually pretty quick. -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:46 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA inspection question My bike's been parked so long the inspection expired in February. I plan to ride it to the nearest inspection station and need a recommendation for one in Rosslyn or Arlington. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 16:34:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ALY9ie001509; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:34:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ALY8GQ001497; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:34:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cheapest tires Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:22:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2003 21:22:55.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[3771E610:01C2E74B] Woo Hoo, an actual bike topic! Call Dennis Kirk after you get a shipped price from Chaparral. They'll beat it by a buck a tire with shipping and all. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cheapest tires Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:56:02 -0600 Ok, let's fire up a nice, traditional DC-Cycles topic: Where's the cheapest place to order tires from? Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 16:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ALa3ie004382; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:36:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ALa2Lv004367; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:36:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030310213600.16902.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:36:00 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ride this weekend To: Jon Strang , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2269@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > Many others get out this weekend?--- Jon Strang wrote: > Many others get out this weekend? I made a new personal best time getting back from my brother-in-law's house in Orlando, FL on Sunday. 850 miles in 12:40, I got the record back from my daughter, she did it in 12:45 a couple of years ago. As was mentioned in another post, there was a bit of rain in FL and South Georgia. In Jacksonville, one of the streams of water running across the road knocked both of my feet off the pegs. Other than that, the trip was uneventful. I made a total of 5 stops, none of them were very long. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 16:54:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ALsNie010183; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:54:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ALsNOr010173; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:54:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6D08DC.55120D4F@tasam.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:51:24 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: [Fwd: Email from the Office of the Governor] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit heh. they got my position wrong. I was opposed to both bills. Skip -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Email from the Office of the Governor Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:17:31 -0500 From: To: Mr. Arthur C. Smith, IV, 733 South Sugarland Run Drive Sterling, VA 20164 Dear Mr. Smith, Thank you for contacting my office regarding Senate Bill 1325 and House Bill 2711, making failure to wear your safety belts in motor vehicles a )B“primary offense” and allowing a police officer to stop a vehicle for not wearing a safety belt. Unfortunately, both bills were defeated in the House. For additional information on other legislation or on the 2003 General Assembly session please visit the General Assembly website, http://legis.state.va.us or call 1-877-391-FACT. Again, thank you for your interest and please continue to provide me with the benefit of your thinking on matters affecting the Commonwealth. Sincerely, Mark R. Warner From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 16:57:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ALv7ie016071; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:57:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ALv7VT016065; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:57:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Ride this weekend X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:57:01 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640931E@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ride this weekend Thread-Index: AcLnTZpZin85toikQmCoa87rV2LFJAAADlhA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Jon Strang" , "DC Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2ALv6ie016048 > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > Many others get out this weekend?--- Jon Strang > wrote: > > Many others get out this weekend? Friday morning, I found my bike in less than ideal shape. The engine cover on the right side is apparently leaking oil and the lower plastic is broken. Not scratched or dinged, but completely cracked. Also, 2 screws connecting this fairing to the upper fairing were gone. I don't know how or when this happened. Maybe someone hit my bike pulling out of their parking space on the Hill sometime Thursday, and I just didn't notice riding back home after dark. Or maybe it happened at my apartment complex sometime overnight. I don't know. Since the leak was very minor - a few drops gather on the fairing after a ride or two - I rode the bike to Leesburg Motorsports for my previously scheduled 4000 mile service. (paid $180) The guys at the shop said I will be ok riding the bike untill I get it replaced in ~1 week. So despite great weather this weekend, I was trying to limit my riding. I did <100 miles :( Oh well, that's how things go if you don't have a garage. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 17:02:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AM2qie020404; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:02:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AM2pNI020393; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:02:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a801c2e752$a53edc50$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Parking Bill Hearings Completed Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:16:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FYI: ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: ABATE: Parking Bill Hearings Completed > Bill Details: > > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/sb0650.htm > > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/hb0923.htm > > > > The parking bills, both the House of Delegates version and the Senate > version have been heard in committee. SB 650 was heard on March 6 and HB > 923 was heard today, March 10. > > > > The parking bill will prohibit local governments from restricting the number > of motorcycles that can legally be parked in a metered parking space. > Current law allows local governments to restrict the number of motorcycles > to two. Only some local governments limit motorcycle parking in this > manner, but it can cause confusion and hardship for motorcycle riders who > are unaware of the restrictions. This bill would eliminate confusing and > sporadic enforcement practices and make parking regulations for motorcycles > uniform throughout the state. > > > > Please contact members of both the House and Senate committees and ask them > to VOTE FOR HB 923 / SB 650. > > > > Contact information for members of the House of Delegates Environmental > Matters committee can be found at the following link: > > > > http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/com/04env.html > > > > Contact information for members of the Senate Judicial Proceedings committee > can be found at the following link: > > > > http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/05sen/html/com/05judp.html > > > > In addition to the numbers listed above, you may call the toll-free number > > 1-800-492-7122 and provide the last four digits of the phone number to reach > > a Senator or Delegate or you may ask for the Senator or Delegate by name. > > > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 17:03:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AM31ie022065; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:03:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AM31rL022059; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:03:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ac01c2e752$ab218370$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Equal Access Bill - HB 574 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:16:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FYI: ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: ABATE: Equal Access Bill - HB 574 > Bill Details: > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/hb0574.htm > > This bill was defeated in committe and received an unfavorable report from > the Health and Government Operations committee. > > The equal access bill will prohibit the owners or operators of specified > facilities that are open to the public and serve or accommodate the public > from refusing to serve an individual on the basis of the individual's mode > of personal transportation, facial hair or hairstyle, or manner or style of > dress; providing that the Act does not prohibit specified owners or > operators from refusing to serve an individual on the basis of the > individual's clothing under specified circumstances. > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 17:03:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AM3Gie023727; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:03:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AM3Gx3023718; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:03:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00b201c2e752$b4543ff0$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Right-of-Way Violation Penalties - Hearings Scheduled Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:16:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FYI: ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: ABATE: Right-of-Way Violation Penalties - Hearings Scheduled > Right-of-Way Violation Penalties Bill (HB 1114/SB 719) > > Hearings have been scheduled for both the House of Delegates and Senate > versions of the bill. The House of Delegates hearing for HB 1114 will occur > on March 18 at 1 pm in the Judiciary committee. The Senate hearing for SB > 791 will occur on March 19 at 1 pm in the Judicial Proceedings committee. > > These bills provide for increased penalties for right-of-way violations when > the violation contributes to an accident that results in bodily injury or > death of an another person. > > Under current law, the penalty for violating the right-of-way of another > vehicle is $60 and one point against the offenders' license. Even when a > right-of-way violation is combined with another charge like negligent > driving, the maximum fines and penalties for both charges would be $630 and > seven points. > > In many accidents of this nature, law enforcement and the courts cannot > justify a higher charge that would include more severe penalties and the > violators are given only minimal fines and penalties. This bill seeks to > give the courts the tools they need to penalize violators appropriately when > serious injury or death occurs. > > The bill was filed, but a hearing date has not yet been scheduled. > > Additional information about the bill can be located at > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/sb0719.htm > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/hb1114.htm > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 17:05:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AM5Lie029709; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:05:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AM5Kpi029703; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:05:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:21:40 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Ride this weekend In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640931E@rnc1.rnchq.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > Oh well, that's how things go if you don't have a garage. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 That sucks, Witold. If you need a warm place to do some maintenance on a weekend or evening, drop me a line and let me know. I'm east of Frederick in Ijamsville, but would be more than happy to lend a garage, propane heater and some tools to a fellow biker in need. I logged several hours of riding on Saturday and worked on my race car all day on Sunday. It was nice being able to work in the garage without the heat on and with the doors open :-) Although I enjoy the snow, I'm ready for spring :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 17:17:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2AMHOie010181; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:17:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2AMHKcL010155; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:17:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030310221718.48647.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:17:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Ride this weekend To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , Leon Begeman , Jon Strang , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640931E@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hear you. I have secured a fairly safe space in the former garbage can area in my condo building. Not covered and I have to pull my mirrors in to get into the space, but it is off the street at least. > Oh well, that's how things go if you don't have a > garage. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 18:42:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ANg6ie015100; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:42:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ANg5w0015090; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:42:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:43:09 -0500 Subject: Re: VA inspection question To: bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit bernescut@XXXXXX writes: >My bike's been parked so long the inspection expired in February. In general, I recommend taking it to someplace that has no financial incentive to find things wrong. The advantage of going to a bike shop is that they might be able to fix a minor problem on the spot. However, unless you KNOW the bike shop is honest, I would take it to a gas station or car repair place that inspects bikes. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 18:45:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ANjbie018026; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:45:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ANjb6r018020; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:45:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030310184427.00b8f6b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:45:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: VA inspection question In-Reply-To: References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:43 PM 3/10/2003, you wrote: >bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > >My bike's been parked so long the inspection expired in February. > >In general, I recommend taking it to someplace that has no financial >incentive to find things wrong. The advantage of going to a bike >shop is >that they might be able to fix a minor problem on the spot. However, >unless you KNOW the bike shop is honest, I would take it to a gas >station >or car repair place that inspects bikes. > >--garcia I have to agree. I took my bike to Coleman many years ago and they tried to FAIL me unless I got some non-essential parts replaced that they *just* happen to have in stock. None of the items were life threatening or were part of the safety checklist From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 18:58:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ANw3ie021019; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:58:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ANw3sP021009; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:58:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:57:50 -0500 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: VA inspection question In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.2.20030310184427.00b8f6b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030310185510.043761b0@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> At 06:45 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, Aki Damme wrote: >At 06:43 PM 3/10/2003, you wrote: >>bernescut@XXXXXX writes: >> >My bike's been parked so long the inspection expired in February. >> >>In general, I recommend taking it to someplace that has no financial >>incentive to find things wrong. The advantage of going to a bike shop is >>that they might be able to fix a minor problem on the spot. However, >>unless you KNOW the bike shop is honest, I would take it to a gas station >>or car repair place that inspects bikes. >> >>--garcia > > >I have to agree. I took my bike to Coleman many years ago and they tried >to FAIL >me unless I got some non-essential parts replaced that they *just* happen >to have >in stock. None of the items were life threatening or were part of the >safety checklist > FWIW, even though Crossroad's Cycles could pull this same trick, they, in my experience, would rather have happy customers. Ride up, bring cash, you'll be out of there in 10 minutes. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 19:03:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2B03Iie027704; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:03:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2B03IC2027694; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:03:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <04a401c2e761$748a9b80$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> <5.2.0.9.2.20030310184427.00b8f6b0@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: VA inspection question Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:02:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797d27586c4a9b95b722e5b7dc53e8ea4e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > >In general, I recommend taking it to someplace that has no financial > >incentive to find things wrong. ...--garcia > Aki comments: > I have to agree. I took my bike to Coleman many years ago and they > tried to FAIL > me unless I got some non-essential parts replaced that they *just* > happen to have > in stock. None of the items were life threatening or were part of > the safety checklist [Dave] As bad as it is, MD is a little tougher ( inspections are the life of the registration or until a violation there ). I took my 1st bike to Atlantic Cycle, and they pulled the same $hit - failed me for 2 items, one of which was 'not enough air in front or rear tires!' - no kidding ! One was 29, the other was 28 by their guage, 32 & 33 by mine... and they were actually going to fail it... I complained, they put air in my tires & ( I think they adjusted the headlight too) and that was that... MD stations do similar gyrations with cars - windshield wipers, headlight adjustment. 2 cages I had inspected were failed with NEW PARTS on them. I called them both on it, and one of them - exhaust, which was ALL new - would not budge. I got the owner and told him to pass it, or I'd call the state police, I had receipts & the parts were obviously new. I did, a heart to heart conversation between about 6 people ensued, and we ended up with the inspector being told to shove it. Another place failed my wiper blades - brand new, packages, receipt & old take offs still in the car. Yes, they had the blades I "needed" too for $~8.00... I take the bike to gas stations in VA - no financial incentive to fail me, quick visuals of stuff I've either already looked at, and checked and I'm out in 10 minutes. 4 of those minutes are paperwork. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 19:26:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2B0QDie000405; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:26:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2B0QCll000395; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:26:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Michael H. Moore" To: "DCCycles" Subject: MD inspection question Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <04a401c2e761$748a9b80$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Does anyone know a good place in the Potomac/Rockville area I can get my car and Motorcycle inspected at? I've heard that one of the stations in Potomac Village is good for bikes. Are they fair on your car too? Thanks, mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 19:33:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2B0X3ie005017; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:33:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2B0X2ex005008; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:33:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02d201c2e765$ab783450$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Dave Yates" , "DCCycles" References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D9C@NCEAEXCHANGE> <5.2.0.9.2.20030310184427.00b8f6b0@pop.east.cox.net> <04a401c2e761$748a9b80$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Subject: Re: VA inspection question Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:31:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I had a cage inspection in MD, the first time through he missed the leak in the fuel line. I had the line at home to fix it, but they fixed it without my authorization on the reinspection. They attempted to charge me for it and wouldn't give me the cage back without payment. I called the police and the police threatened the garage with theft if they didn't give me the car. He stated you fixed his car without asking him first! I actually got it back without payment. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re: VA inspection question > > >In general, I recommend taking it to someplace that has no financial > > >incentive to find things wrong. ...--garcia > > > Aki comments: > > I have to agree. I took my bike to Coleman many years ago and they > > tried to FAIL > > me unless I got some non-essential parts replaced that they *just* > > happen to have > > in stock. None of the items were life threatening or were part of > > the safety checklist > > [Dave] As bad as it is, MD is a little tougher ( inspections are the life > of the registration or until a violation there ). I took my 1st bike to > Atlantic Cycle, and they pulled the same $hit - failed me for 2 items, one > of which was 'not enough air in front or rear tires!' - no kidding ! One > was 29, the other was 28 by their guage, 32 & 33 by mine... and they were > actually going to fail it... I complained, they put air in my tires & ( I > think they adjusted the headlight too) and that was that... > > MD stations do similar gyrations with cars - windshield wipers, headlight > adjustment. 2 cages I had inspected were failed with NEW PARTS on them. I > called them both on it, and one of them - exhaust, which was ALL new - would > not budge. I got the owner and told him to pass it, or I'd call the state > police, I had receipts & the parts were obviously new. I did, a heart to > heart conversation between about 6 people ensued, and we ended up with the > inspector being told to shove it. Another place failed my wiper blades - > brand new, packages, receipt & old take offs still in the car. Yes, they > had the blades I "needed" too for $~8.00... > > > I take the bike to gas stations in VA - no financial incentive to fail me, > quick visuals of stuff I've either already looked at, and checked and I'm > out in 10 minutes. 4 of those minutes are paperwork. > > Dave > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 19:42:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2B0glie008001; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:42:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2B0gkaH007989; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:42:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030311004234.85650.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:42:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MD inspection question To: mhmoore@XXXXXX, DCCycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii go to potomac amoco (or call: 301 299-8400). ask for rick hart -- tell him i recommended him, please -- and be sure to mention the motorcycle. just had a car inspected there on thursday. no problems. --- "Michael H. Moore" wrote: > Does anyone know a good place in the Potomac/Rockville > area I can get my car > and Motorcycle inspected at? I've heard that one of the > stations in Potomac > Village is good for bikes. Are they fair on your car > too? > > Thanks, > mike > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 20:22:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2B1MXie014028; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:22:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2B1MXR7014018; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:22:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6D3BB6.82E50691@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:28:22 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA inspection... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Coleman's in Falls Church will do a Va inspection for free. SPTOOOEY! Say what? Just bout' made me spit my coffee out there. If it's in great shape I'd do that otherwise I'm thinking you'd risk having em tell you...whelp looks like you need new front pads...midas well get that done while you're here. It'll only cost you 500 bucks and you can come back in two weeks to get your bike. If you're going to trek anywhere go to Crossroads. The guys there are chillin' and it only takes 5-10 minutes. Plus they got all kindza crazy sheit out front sometimes to look at while the dude kick your tires. Carl that is also Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 20:30:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2B1Udie020021; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:30:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2B1UdXp020008; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:30:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6D3D9B.15E62B00@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:36:27 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re:Ride this weekend. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah I was out for about 250 milez on Saturday. It's was beautiful weather and ended up in the craziest little places like Washington, VA. Interesting little town. GPS's are great. Saw some BMW and Harley riders out but not a sportbike to be seen until I got up to Leesburg from Winchester later in the afternoon. Got lotsa Harley waves too...more Harley than BMW as a matter of fact. Soon'z I hit Leesburg I hit the rediculous traffic. The best thing about riding out in the country is lack of traffic and crazy cool sceenery/people. The worst thing about riding out in the country is coming back to the city to suck fookin' SUV fumez at half-the-life-of-my-clutch speeds. Like drinking and driving, Music and money, Religon and politics, Bikes and traffic Just don't mix. Hope others got out as well. Carl who is also Carl. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 20:41:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2B1f4ie024407; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:41:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2B1f4S7024397; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:41:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6D400D.BBD477E0@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:46:53 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cheapest tire prices... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - good straight shooting company with great prices and a deal on shipping right now me-thinks - a little more expensive but worth checking out - have great deals on tires including the new AV45/46s by Avon - good selection and fair prices also have Avons Last but definitely not least as I've heard some good reports about them... - Good selection and good prices Price shop away... Carl who is also Carl. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 10 22:11:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2B3Bcie030847; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:11:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2B3Bam4030832; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:11:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030310211004.00b6d698@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:11:42 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Cheapest tire prices... In-Reply-To: <3E6D400D.BBD477E0@carlparker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for the responses everyone! It looks like one of Carl's suggestions is going to get the nod: > - Good selection and good prices I should be able to get the tires of my choice for under $200. Sweet. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 09:38:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BEciie007767; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:38:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BEch7f007757; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:38:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030311143836.90655.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Daytona Lunch To: Tom Knapik , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030310174221.92618.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom et al, Yeah you missed an email last week saying that it didn't seem like we had enough people to bother with the lunch. That rain sure sucked, didn't it? Did you stay for the race yesterday? Great finish. Chris --- Tom Knapik wrote: > Yawn, rode back up from Daytona yesterday. Hard > rain > through Jacksonville really slowed me down. Looked > like everybody was getting through it safely though. > Hey, Chris, did I miss an e-mail while on the road > or > was this carrabbas lunch thing a joke? I went by > there Saturday and found they don't open till 4PM. > Oh well, ;-) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 10:11:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BFBHie012274; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:11:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BFBHpN012264; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:11:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030311151115.68839.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:11:14 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Soggy Daytona (long, no spoilers) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sally and I just got back from Daytona last night after a soggy but fun time. We flew down on Thursday evening and arrived at about 11pm. We spent the long weekend staying with Sally's parents, who live in Daytona Beach. Friday morning we went to the track and as soon as we got there, the skies opened up and poured down on the track. We bailed (almost literally) and met up with Jay Goddard and friends at a Ducati event across the street. After the rain let up, we all went back over to the track and looked through the manufacturer and vendor displays. Kwak Z1000 looks great in black, ugLEE in orange. Honda CBR6RR looks fantastic. New SV650 and 1000 look better in person than in photos, but still don't float my boat like my '01 650. Kwak ZX6R and Yam R6 look pretty much like the photos I've seen. New bug-eyed BMW 1200 Road-King-competitor cruiser looks even more hideous in person than in pics. That pretty much was the end of the bike-related stuff for Friday. The 750 and 600 races were rained out and rescheduled for Sunday. Saturday, Sally and I ignored the dirt bike action at the track and spent the day in scenic St. Augustine. Pretty town, but very touristy. Sunday dawned overcast but promising. We went to the track and first watched the new BMW Boxer Cup races. Very close racing with six or seven bikes jockeying for front spot at every turn. Red flag due to a bad wreck in the turn onto the banking from the infield, then restarted for five more laps. 600 Supersport race followed. Lots of tight racing. I won't ruin the suprise for those wanting to watch the race on TV tonight(?). Then, the rain came. And it came. And it came. The infield lawns turned into mud holes with spinning tires and ponds where they shouldn't be. Sally and I took refuge in our borrowed car and left when it became obvious the rain wasn't going to let up. The Daytona 200 was going to be postponed until Monday. Monday morning we awoke to bright sunshine and a cloudless sky. YES! Sally and I patted ourselves on the back for taking Monday off and joined a highly depleted crowd to watch the 200 at the track. Lots of close racing ended with a great finish. Watch this race if you can! We flew back last night and got back into Dulles at around 11:30. We're wiped out this morning, but glad to get a taste of the warmth of Daytona Beach (70s mostly) and the great racing (between deluges). I felt sorry for the bikers getting drenched just about every other hour, glad that we had a car and happy to just get out of the DC area and relax. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 11:12:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BGCJie018640; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:12:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BGCGKZ018630; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:12:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.17.21.61] From: "Charlie Ozark" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC inspection Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:00:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2003 16:00:14.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D5B83E0:01C2E7E7] As a newbie and list-lurker, these threads have me worried. I'll be taking my new-to-me bike in for its first DC inspection, do the elders here have any advice on what they might try to fail me on? My bike is a slightly squid-like SV650 personal worries are: -mirror only on left side -aftermarket exhaust (do they really check the db level?) - mine say "competition use only" but aren't that loud. -lack of passenger pegs/grab rail (can be put back on, I removed to insue that I would never carry a passenger) Also, how long are temporary tags (just to get to inspection) good for? I've heard ranges from 5 days to a month. Thanks for the tips. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 11:19:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BGJMie023267; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:19:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BGJL6j023256; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:19:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030311161919.25111.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:19:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC inspection To: Charlie Ozark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK. Inspection for me was easy. The young guy was a rider. I do think you need two mirrors but I am not sure. They do not check the pipe at all. You do not need grab rails. Why not have 2 mirrors? --- Charlie Ozark wrote: > As a newbie and list-lurker, these threads have me > worried. I'll be taking > my new-to-me bike in for its first DC inspection, do > the elders here have > any advice on what they might try to fail me on? My > bike is a slightly > squid-like SV650 personal worries are: > > -mirror only on left side > -aftermarket exhaust (do they really check the db > level?) - mine say > "competition use only" but aren't that loud. > -lack of passenger pegs/grab rail (can be put back > on, I removed to insue > that I would never carry a passenger) > > Also, how long are temporary tags (just to get to > inspection) good for? I've > heard ranges from 5 days to a month. Thanks for the > tips. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 11:47:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BGlJie027825; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:47:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BGlI9j027815; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:47:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001701c2e7ee$2266f280$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Charlie Ozark" , References: Subject: Re: DC inspection Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:48:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 My inspection experiences have consisted of lights and horn, that's it. You these things we must be inspected twice as often as cages. The bigger issue is where to put the sticker these days. The fork seems to be a popular choice. I wouldn't worry about the pipe or the lack of pegs. I went to the inspection place today on the way to work, but kept on going, as the line stretched around the block. Your tag should be good for 30 days from the date of issue. It should have come with the expiration date stamped on it. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Ozark" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: DC inspection > As a newbie and list-lurker, these threads have me worried. I'll be taking > my new-to-me bike in for its first DC inspection, do the elders here have > any advice on what they might try to fail me on? My bike is a slightly > squid-like SV650 personal worries are: > > -mirror only on left side > -aftermarket exhaust (do they really check the db level?) - mine say > "competition use only" but aren't that loud. > -lack of passenger pegs/grab rail (can be put back on, I removed to insue > that I would never carry a passenger) > > Also, how long are temporary tags (just to get to inspection) good for? I've > heard ranges from 5 days to a month. Thanks for the tips. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 11:50:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BGoRie032221; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:50:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BGoQkC032212; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:50:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030311164949.54158.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:49:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Daytona Lunch To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030311143836.90655.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I assumed there was another e-mail that I missed, but with no access down there I wasn't sure. No, I didn't stay for Sunday's race. Probably should have stayed one more day but after riding in rain all week, I decided I'd try to head back up north. I never should have listened to the weather man down there though. He said the rain would be out of the Jacksonville area by 9am. I hit it closer to 10am and it was pouring. I had rain all the way into Ga. At least it was a little lighter than on the way down through that stretch. Coming south was like riding through a typhoon!!! I figure two more days and my clothes may finally dry out. Hmmmm, our weatherman says we'll get into the 60's by this weekend...... guess I'll have to clean up the bike then and see if I can find out what riding with no rain feels like............ Did you get to the antique bike auction at Stetson U? There were some really nice pieces of old iron there both being ridden (not for sale) as well as in the auction. I guess I counted 8 - 10 Vincents alone in the parking lot!!!! --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Tom et al, > > Yeah you missed an email last week saying that it > didn't seem like we had enough people to bother with > the lunch. That rain sure sucked, didn't it? Did you > stay for the race yesterday? Great finish. > > Chris __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 12:32:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BHWRie004416; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:32:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BHWRDM004406; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:32:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145156BD@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Cheapest tires Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:34:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Rob Keiser raved, "Woo Hoo, an actual bike topic! Call Dennis Kirk after you get a shipped price from Chaparral. They'll beat it by a buck a tire with shipping and all." Aye but you have to cite the magazine issue and ad page number. . and DK doesn't beat internet prices. Oh, and Chaparral's magazine ads are always cheaper than their catalog or web page. Here're the recent (Feb) price comparisons from a Yankee Maggot (they don't come any more parsimonious) Bob P: Subject: On_line tire sources _ a good report I just received a new D205 rear for my VFR from http://www.tireexpress.com. They're affiliated with Competition Accessories http://www.compacc.com (according to their Network Solutions whois info). Ordered a 170/60zr17 at 3:00 PM on Tuesday. It arrived today. Total price $110.95 ($101.95 plus $9.00 shipping/handling). This is a pretty good price, better than all 4 of these places Jack H posted: http://www.discountmotorcycletire.com $109 plus $14 shipping http://www.chaparral_racing.com $133.99 plus shipping ??? http://www.cycledepot.net $106.74 plus actual shipping ??? http://www.parts411.com $128.38 plus actual shipping ??? And everybody's favorite (not) MAW (Motorcycle Accessory Whorehouse) http://www.accwhse.com $106.95 plus shipping (and they won't have it in stock, but tell you it is. Expect 3 days to 3 weeks for delivery. And from tire express's sister company http://www.compacc.com $107.05 plus shipping. Guess who I'm using for tires from now on... 3 days from receipt of order, no hassles about billing/shipping addresses being different, lowest prices... That's right. My personal favorite is now http://www.tireexpress.com Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:59:22 EST From: Wallace S Subject: Re: Tires etc. z writes: > Just go to swmototires. I have had nothing but good deals, service, and fast shipping from them. I ordered more then a dozen tires last season alone from them. Another good place is Kim Leong at http://www.Casporttouring.com. Not much of a web page but if you call him, his prices are a couple bucks cheaper then SW and he carries disco's on stuff like Givi. >Just go to swmototires. Ron Ayers is killing them on price, in fact he's the best I've found. __ Jack S Just to chime in here....the $8.00 shipping per tire still doesn't overwhelm the large difference in price...with the shipping ron ayers is still almost $23 cheaper for a set of tires. I don't know about other people but $23 is significant enough to make me choose Ron Ayers. YMMV Scott I'm not exactly sure what size you're looking for (Sabre or Magna) but I have found this place quite reasonable. http://www.ronayers.com/tires/tires.cfm?man=mez Pete S Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 12:53:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BHrIie009107; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:53:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BHrH3K009097; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:53:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.17.21.61] From: "Charlie Ozark" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC inspection Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:53:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2003 17:53:10.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[144C7A90:01C2E7F7] Thanks all for the info. The bike came this way (used) - it's an adjustable bar-end type. apparently the stockers on the SV were pretty useless. Left side only is legal in NY (where it came from), and I thought I read that about DC too. DMV doesn't answer the phone anymore so I haven't been able to verify. >From: Mark Kitchell >To: Charlie Ozark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: DC inspection >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:19:19 -0800 (PST) > >OK. > >Inspection for me was easy. The young guy was a >rider. > >I do think you need two mirrors but I am not sure. > >They do not check the pipe at all. > >You do not need grab rails. > >Why not have 2 mirrors? > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 13:07:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BI7Cie013564; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:07:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BI7C2j013554; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:07:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030311180709.51294.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:07:09 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: anyone got a sandblaster to loan? To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi List, I'm wondering if anyone has a sandblaster to loan out for a day or two. I have the compressor and can get the blasting sand. I also have a place to sand and can build the sanding box (unless the kindly sandblaster donor wants to loan that out too). I would just go buy one but I am feeding all my extra money to my Triumph (and it is very hungry). After spending over 8 hours sanding a swingarm with a power sander and Dremel, I'm just looking at this rust pile, sadly shaking my head, and imagining the 900 years it will take to sand the rest of the bike. I tried to rent one from 2 different Home Depot's and they both said they stopped renting them out, since they never got them back. So how's about it? Anyone able to help me out? It's for a good cause! Thanks! -patti PS- I am slowly but surely documenting the restoration project with how-to's and pictures. Anyone who wants to see it, let me know. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 14:15:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BJFLie020137; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:15:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BJFKeC020127; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:15:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:14:22 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Ride this weekend To: Jon Strang Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3E6E358E.2AB8611@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2269@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Jon Strang wrote: > > Many others get out this weekend? I managed to get rained on in Virginia, N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Georgia, Florida for 2 days straight, and Georgia again, before heading home. Got in late last night. Yesterday was the only day that I didn't get rained on, it was just below freezing most of the day instead. Damp gloves and boots and freezing weather are not a fun combination. Every now and then you need a trip like this one so that the really good motorcycle trips seem all that much better. Hork, still thawing out -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 14:31:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BJVwie024735; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:31:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BJVwUf024725; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:31:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6E3978.1AB9C19B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:31:04 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: patti rodgers CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: anyone got a sandblaster to loan? References: <20030311180709.51294.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a sandbalster. Even more amazing I strolled out to my garage - ACK! - and found it in less than one minute! It's a small gravity feed one with a jug on top, but I've used it before, shortly after rust was invented, and it works pretty good. I recall laying down a blue tarp to catch the sand. I was doing steel car wheels. Yep, they used to make them out of steel. Location Annandale. ho (703) 256-3115 or cell (703) 624-9648. Be home tonight, out at Loudoun NOVA capus tommorrow painting cone marks on the BRC lot so I don't get lost while teaching the newbies how to ride (?) this weekend., then home again. Bill patti rodgers wrote: > Hi List, > I'm wondering if anyone has a sandblaster to loan out > for a day or two. I have the compressor and can get > the blasting sand. I also have a place to sand and > can build the sanding box (unless the kindly > sandblaster donor wants to loan that out too). I > would just go buy one but I am feeding all my extra > money to my Triumph (and it is very hungry). After > spending over 8 hours sanding a swingarm with a power > sander and Dremel, I'm just looking at this rust pile, > sadly shaking my head, and imagining the 900 years it > will take to sand the rest of the bike. > > I tried to rent one from 2 different Home Depot's and > they both said they stopped renting them out, since > they never got them back. > > So how's about it? Anyone able to help me out? It's > for a good cause! > > Thanks! > > -patti > > PS- I am slowly but surely documenting the restoration > project with how-to's and pictures. Anyone who wants > to see it, let me know. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 15:10:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BKARie029449; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:10:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BKARsj029439; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:10:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030311201021.95229.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:10:21 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: DC inspection To: Charlie Ozark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and if they did, the odds that you'd get the right answer are .... --- Charlie Ozark wrote: > Thanks all for the info. The bike came this way > (used) - it's an adjustable > bar-end type. apparently the stockers on the SV were > pretty useless. Left > side only is legal in NY (where it came from), and I > thought I read that > about DC too. DMV doesn't answer the phone anymore > so I haven't been able > to verify. > > > > >From: Mark Kitchell > >To: Charlie Ozark , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: DC inspection > >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:19:19 -0800 (PST) > > > >OK. > > > >Inspection for me was easy. The young guy was a > >rider. > > > >I do think you need two mirrors but I am not sure. > > > >They do not check the pipe at all. > > > >You do not need grab rails. > > > >Why not have 2 mirrors? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 15:51:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BKpIie001721; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:51:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BKpHwI001710; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:51:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145156CC@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'bhuson@XXXXXX'" Subject: AARP discount Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:52:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Last week Bill bragged, "Har har har. But I haven't joined the AARP! I thought about it but Milady screamed "You're not *that* old!" Well, yes I am, but admitting I am would mean that she's ... nonono, I ain't gonna say it." Goferit. Yer eligible at only 50 (less in some cases) In the majority of cases when I chant, "Whacha discounts? I'm a member of AAA, AARP, AMA, ASM, IAFP, SAM, Costco, Sam's Club, and a Federale." The desk clerk sez AARP is the best rate. Carl in Bethesda (Parsimony practitioner) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 16:45:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BLjYie007863; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:45:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BLjXEw007853; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:45:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6E58C7.CA85E5AC@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:44:39 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: AARP discount References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145156CC@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Last week Bill bragged, "Har har har. But I haven't joined the AARP! I > thought about it but Milady screamed "You're not *that* old!" Well, yes I > am, but admitting I am would mean that she's ... nonono, I ain't gonna say > it." > > Goferit. Yer eligible at only 50 (less in some cases) > In the majority of cases when I chant, "Whacha discounts? I'm a member of > AAA, AARP, AMA, ASM, IAFP, SAM, Costco, Sam's Club, and a Federale." The > desk clerk sez AARP is the best rate. > > Carl in Bethesda (Parsimony practitioner) Just today I wuz thinking about the AARP for one reason - health insurance. I may be older than dirt, but I've got many years before Federal Geezer insurance kicks in and the way the Moron is trashing the federal budget I figure by then I'll be SOL. Bill *caff - wheeze* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 17:48:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BMmxie012720; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:48:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BMmw88012710; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:48:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:48:02 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: AARP discount To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Message-id: <3E6E67A2.2A4AE9CB@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145156CC@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> <3E6E58C7.CA85E5AC@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Just today I wuz thinking about the AARP for one reason - health insurance. I > may be older than dirt, but I've got many years before Federal Geezer insurance > kicks in and the way the Moron is trashing the federal budget I figure by then > I'll be SOL. > > Bill *caff - wheeze* watch that capital M there, Bill. The prez might be a moron, but he's no Moron. Hork, a Moron, a Chatty Moron, to be precise. :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 18:38:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BNcxie015971; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:38:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BNcwuf015963; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:38:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6E735D.53094FEC@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:38:05 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: AARP discount References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145156CC@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> <3E6E58C7.CA85E5AC@XXXXXX> <3E6E67A2.2A4AE9CB@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > > Just today I wuz thinking about the AARP for one reason - health insurance. I > > may be older than dirt, but I've got many years before Federal Geezer insurance > > kicks in and the way the Moron is trashing the federal budget I figure by then > > I'll be SOL. > > > > Bill *caff - wheeze* > > watch that capital M there, Bill. The prez might be a moron, but he's > no Moron. > > Hork, a Moron, a Chatty Moron, to be precise. :) Pardon, degree in math, not English. I made it thru English by writing papers on subects that were so obscure the prof would give me a decent grade to avoid getting in a discussion about the content. heyeh heyeh Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 18:49:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BNnxie017593; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:49:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BNnwR7017581; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:49:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030311234956.74972.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:49:56 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: AARP discount To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E6E67A2.2A4AE9CB@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Hork, a Moron, a Chatty Moron, to be precise", wrote:> > watch that capital M there, Bill. The prez might be a > moron, but he's > no Moron. We've got a Congressman Moron over here in Alexandria. He even got splashed all over the Post today for proving (again) he deserves the name. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 19:13:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2C0Dhie028809; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:13:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2C0DhrG028799; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:13:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E6E7B81.52AB57FE@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:12:50 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AARP discount References: <20030311234956.74972.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > "Hork, a Moron, a Chatty Moron, to be precise", wrote:> > > watch that capital M there, Bill. The prez might be a > > moron, but he's > > no Moron. > > We've got a Congressman Moron over here in Alexandria. He > even got splashed all over the Post today for proving > (again) he deserves the name. > > -- Larry SPELLING! MorAn! But he does have a habit of sticking his foot in mouth. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 19:25:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2C0PWie000873; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:25:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2C0PWLa000863; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:25:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007e01c2e82a$66289000$1d7d5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC DMV service feedback Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:00:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 For DC'ers: The below stumbled over at the DMV site. Maybe next year (note the past date). Pointed to at http://dmv.washingtondc.gov/main.shtm Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I'd volunteer but they'd balk at my steely demeanor Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ******** Wednesday, January 22, 2003 Become A DC DMV Customer Service Tester The DC DMV Tester Program is scheduled to begin in February 2003. Volunteers will be asked to evaluate both the telephone and information desk employees by visiting one of our information desks at any customer service center and/or calling the Customer Service Call Center. The goals of the program are to assist with quality control for the department's operations, to provide information and to share customer experiences when interacting with DC DMV. The first phase of testing will begin early February. The kick-off meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, January 29, 2003 at 301 C Street, NW. The meeting will start at 6:30 pm. The DC DMV will distribute forms and explain the program. For more information contact Rhonda Cheatham Woods at 202-724-4819 or by email at rhonda.cheatham@XXXXXX. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 22:06:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2C36Oie008096; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:06:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2C36NNX008086; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:06:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030312030620.58376.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:06:20 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: AARP discount To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E6E7B81.52AB57FE@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Larry Larson wrote: > > > "Hork, a Moron, a Chatty Moron, to be precise", wrote:> > > > watch that capital M there, Bill. The prez might be > a > > > moron, but he's > > > no Moron. > > > > We've got a Congressman Moron over here in Alexandria. > He > > even got splashed all over the Post today for proving > > (again) he deserves the name. > > > > -- Larry > > SPELLING! MorAn! But he does have a habit of sticking > his foot in > mouth. Bill, I am *extremely* well aware of how *he* says it's spelled. But in Alexandria, we've had a saying for the entire fifteen or so years I've lived here: "He's a Moron, but he's *our* Moron." Unfortunately, it's still true. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 22:14:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2C3EIie009672; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:14:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2C3EI4I009661; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:14:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <057401c2e845$68eee7b0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <20030312030620.58376.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: AARP discount Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:13:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790b0102a19602baba1269276d29103192350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Larry Lamented: > I am *extremely* well aware of how *he* says it's spelled. > But in Alexandria, we've had a saying for the entire > fifteen or so years I've lived here: "He's a Moron, but > he's *our* Moron." [Dave] C'mon... What would Rep Moro(a)n do if he weren't acting anti semetic, bullying someone like a small deviant child or woman, or taking political payoffs? Nothing - he'd be a burden on society and unemployed, so you have to "kick him upstairs" ... Someone that uncool would never be a biker. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 22:53:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2C3roie017254; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:53:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2C3ro1w017244; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:53:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Daytona Weather Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:42:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2003 03:42:26.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[6603B1D0:01C2E849] I was checking out the Weather Channel from Key West (88 to 90 degrees with sunny skies). It must have rained all week in Daytona. Key West was definately happening... but I was working not riding. It was still fun checking out the rides (and there were plenty). Not many sport bikes though, mostly HD's with a smattering of BMW's and Wingers, probably some Rice Cruisers... but they look like HD's from a distance... was it raining in Earnest Virginia? aw _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 11 23:33:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2C4Xmie022143; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:33:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2C4XlCT022133; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:33:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:33:36 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Funny trip story To: DC Cycles , Concours Owners Group Message-id: <3E6EB8A0.F26829CC@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Last night I found myself about 50 miles from home, cold, tired, wandering around inside a truck stop trying to warm up a little bit before the final leg home. I ended up over by the truckers entrance (the big rigs parked on the other side from the cars and such) still walking around in my big green Gerbing suit with the black ballistics patches, holding my helmet, etc., when this trucker comes in. He looks me up and down, glances at my helmet and all the safety gear, then cracks a one-liner that still makes me chuckle: "Wow, you sure don't take any chances driving truck, do ya?" Then he broke into a big grin. It made my evening. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 08:40:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CDeQie001762; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:40:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CDeNpK001747; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:40:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004e01c2e89c$ed5f8e80$2802a8c0@D22WR021> From: "Anita Lauro" To: References: <20030309210957.12266.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Safety Inspections - Sterling/Herndon Area? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:40:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Hi all! I'm hoping to get my bike legal before the weekend (i.e. today while the weather is relatively warm and dry).. does anyone know of a gas station in the Sterling/Reston/Herndon etc. area that does bike inspections? I'm going to try Cycle Sport (or whatever they are now) but want to have a backup plan in case they laugh in my face. :-) Anita '02 BMW R1150R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 08:49:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CDnFie008013; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:49:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CDnFws007999; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:49:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: RE: Safety Inspections - Sterling/Herndon Area? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:48:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: dc-cycles@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <132fb3c403b54507d3@[172.30.1.4]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2CDnEie007987 I actually took mine to Progressive Automotive last year and they did my inspection. Just a thought if you have one close by you -- mine is just down the street from where I live so it was convenient. Laurie -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro [mailto:alauro@XXXXXX] Hi all! I'm hoping to get my bike legal before the weekend (i.e. today while the weather is relatively warm and dry).. does anyone know of a gas station in the Sterling/Reston/Herndon etc. area that does bike inspections? I'm going to try Cycle Sport (or whatever they are now) but want to have a backup plan in case they laugh in my face. :-) Anita '02 BMW R1150R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 09:11:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CEB0ie012711; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:11:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CEAwZF012695; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:10:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030312081008.00b7c448@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:11:09 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Safety Inspections - Sterling/Herndon Area? In-Reply-To: <004e01c2e89c$ed5f8e80$2802a8c0@D22WR021> References: <20030309210957.12266.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The Mobil station on Elden st. does them. (Right across the street from what used to be the Black Eye Pea.) They do your good old "Honk-flash-stop-there-ya-go" inspection. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 10:31:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CFVtie017824; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:31:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CFVs6g017814; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:31:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: "Anita Lauro" , Subject: Re: Safety Inspections - Sterling/Herndon Area? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:31:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030312153148.YTIS22825.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Anita, Go to the Reston Mobil at North Point shopping center just north of Home Depot on Reston Parkway. Chris, a friend of mine is the inspector there and rides himself. He'll do the standard inspection without giving you a hassle. Tell him Aki said hi. cheers, -aki > > From: "Anita Lauro" > Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 08:40:20 EST > To: > Subject: Safety Inspections - Sterling/Herndon Area? > > Hi all! > > I'm hoping to get my bike legal before the weekend (i.e. today while the > weather is relatively warm and dry).. does anyone know of a gas station in > the Sterling/Reston/Herndon etc. area that does bike inspections? I'm going > to try Cycle Sport (or whatever they are now) but want to have a backup plan > in case they laugh in my face. :-) > > Anita > '02 BMW R1150R > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 10:41:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CFfmie020991; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:41:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CFfld5020981; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:41:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <015101c2e8ae$26806f20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Charlie Ozark" , References: Subject: Re: DC inspection Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:42:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Ozark" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: DC inspection > Thanks all for the info. The bike came this way (used) - it's an adjustable > bar-end type. apparently the stockers on the SV were pretty useless. Left > side only is legal in NY (where it came from), and I thought I read that > about DC too. DMV doesn't answer the phone anymore so I haven't been able > to verify. > And if they did answer the phone, five calls would probably yield five different answers to your query. You could put this to rest by heading to your nearest branch of the DC Public Library and look it up in the DC Municipal Regulations. I doubt the mirror thing will be a showstopper, given the very cursory nature of the inspection. I did the "lights work, horn works, here's your sticker" drill this morning after a half-hour wait. The sticker affixer was a bit bumfuzzled by another biker who had a KLR650 with inverted forks. They finally just gave him the sticker to put wherever he wanted. So, the moral of the story is, with respect to the DMV, they often make it up as they go along. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 11:05:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CG5Rie024250; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:05:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CG5QZS024240; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:05:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:05:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Morning commute fun. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT So, Ya, I rode today. Opted for Old Georgetown Pike over the toll road. Bad choice. I ended up behind not only a moving van, but a tour bus too. Worse yet, I was in front of, as in "in the cross hairs of" an ovloV with dip tags. I'm thinking the toll road will get my 75 cents, or whatever it is, on the way home. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 11:13:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CGDsie030590; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:13:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CGDo6P030577; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:13:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030312111137.023bfeb0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:13:43 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Morning commute fun. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:05 AM 3/12/2003, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >So, Ya, I rode today. Opted for Old Georgetown Pike over the toll road. >Bad choice. I ended up behind not only a moving van, but a tour bus too. >Worse yet, I was in front of, as in "in the cross hairs of" an ovloV >with dip tags. I heard 60 degrees and had to ride. Hope the fortune tellers know what they are talking about. Right now it looks overcast and rainy in Reston. Commute was great - sandy roads throughout Clifton, but no major sliding. Still ice and snow on the ground around all of my roads. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 13:07:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CI7uie003399; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:07:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CI7ttd003389; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:07:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030312180753.83713.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Safety Inspections - Sterling/Herndon Area? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004e01c2e89c$ed5f8e80$2802a8c0@D22WR021> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you want a real inspection, take it to the mobile station in Reston at the Northpoint shopping center. The person who does the inspections is a rider, and does a full check out of the bike. Keith --- Anita Lauro wrote: > Hi all! > > I'm hoping to get my bike legal before the weekend > (i.e. today while the > weather is relatively warm and dry).. does anyone > know of a gas station in > the Sterling/Reston/Herndon etc. area that does bike > inspections? I'm going > to try Cycle Sport (or whatever they are now) but > want to have a backup plan > in case they laugh in my face. :-) > > Anita > '02 BMW R1150R > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 14:25:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CJPWie008475; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:25:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CJPVmS008465; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:25:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008d01c2e8cd$247fa500$2802a8c0@D22WR021> From: "Anita Lauro" To: "Anita Lauro" , References: <20030309210957.12266.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> <004e01c2e89c$ed5f8e80$2802a8c0@D22WR021> Subject: Re: Safety Inspections - Sterling/Herndon Area? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:25:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thanks for all the great info.. I wound up going to Cycle Sport in Herndon (whatever it's called now).. there was a line at the Mobil, and the service mgr at Cycle Sport took care of me right away. He was a little surprised to see me on a BMW, though. :-) I wasn't worried about a "real inspection" as the bike has only a few hundred miles on it since it was last serviced.. just that all the local BMW dealers are in MD, and I live in VA. See you on the road! Anita '02 BMWR1150R (all legal) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 14:31:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CJVxie010046; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:31:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CJVxbg010036; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:31:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:31:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: [Fwd: Hopeless, so hopeless] To: DC Cycles Message-id: <3E6F8B14.57962BA3@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Forwarded chiefly because it brags on DC-Cycles' own Leon Begeman a little bit. Horkster Bob Ray wrote: > > I've been asked by several people why I didn't announce the Hopeless > Rally in Palm Coast. > > On the way down, I planned a speech where I had everyone who had > ridden a BBG to stand up. Then only those who had ridden a BBG > on a bike 1000cc or smaller. Then 750cc. Then 500cc. This would > leave only Leon Begeman standing (winner of the first Hopeless > Rally with 1538 miles in 24 hours on his 250cc Kawasaki). > > After Mike had everyone standing and sitting for 20-30 minutes > with all the various new awards (Trans-Canada Gold, Great Lakes > Gold, BBG 3000, 50cc, 100cc, 50cc the Hard Way, etc., etc.), I > felt that I would be pushing matters to have everyone stand and > sit again. As I didn't have a different speech prepared, I said > nothing. Sigh. > > In any case, the 2003 Hopeless Rally is still a go -- we have > 6 entrants already (though only one 30+ year old bike). Details > are at http://www.warpages.com/hopeless. May 16-18, Madison, > Alabama. > > Regards, > Bob Ray -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 15:00:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CK0vie019448; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:00:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CK0u2O019438; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:00:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004d01c2e8d1$c70e3080$6d312318@cj649586a> From: "Brad Kragness" To: Subject: Free VA State Inspection Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:58:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I live in MD, but thought someone might be able to use this from Coleman: --------------------------------------------------------- FREE VIRGINIA STATE INSPECTION BRING YOUR MOTORCYCLE INTO COLEMAN POWERSPORTS TODAY FOR A FREE VIRGINIA STATE INSPECTION. CONTACT THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT WITH ANY QUESTIONS AND TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT. Disclaimer: Only one coupon per person. Please present to Service Advisor prior to purchase. Expires 3/15/2003 --------------------------------------------------------- This coupon comes up when you go to their website (wherethepoweris.com). I don't endorse or have any knowledge of their service. I think what could happen is that they will give a "free" inspection, but then find many things to fix before it passes. Brad Kragness Odenton, MD '94 Concours From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 15:06:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CK6rie027258; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:06:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CK6qht027251; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:06:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:06:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Safety Inspections - Sterling/Herndon Area? In-reply-to: <008d01c2e8cd$247fa500$2802a8c0@D22WR021> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Anita Lauro wrote: > I wasn't worried about a "real inspection" as the bike has only a few > hundred miles on it since it was last serviced.. just that all the local BMW > dealers are in MD, and I live in VA. Morton's is in Spotsylvania. Guess that isn't entirely "local" but, it isn't that much farther than Columbia. > See you on the road! > Anita > '02 BMWR1150R (all legal) Nice bike! Dan Soon to be 02 BMWR1150RT and a 1992 VFR. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 15:37:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CKb4ie032011; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:37:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CKb3YD032001; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:37:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030312203700.99981.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:37:00 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Free VA State Inspection To: Brad Kragness , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004d01c2e8d1$c70e3080$6d312318@cj649586a> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DO NOT DO THIS! The reason Coleman's offers a free inspection (and I know this from past experience) is so that they can push unnecessary "repairs" and "service" onto customers. Anything they tell you during or after this inspection should be taken with the Bonneville Salt Flats. Chris Weaver --- Brad Kragness wrote: > I live in MD, but thought someone might be able to > use this from Coleman: > > --------------------------------------------------------- > FREE VIRGINIA STATE INSPECTION > BRING YOUR MOTORCYCLE INTO COLEMAN POWERSPORTS TODAY > FOR A FREE VIRGINIA > STATE INSPECTION. CONTACT THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT > WITH ANY QUESTIONS AND TO > MAKE AN APPOINTMENT. > Disclaimer: Only one coupon per person. Please > present to Service Advisor > prior to purchase. Expires 3/15/2003 > --------------------------------------------------------- > > This coupon comes up when you go to their website > (wherethepoweris.com). I > don't endorse or have any knowledge of their > service. I think what could > happen is that they will give a "free" inspection, > but then find many things > to fix before it passes. > > Brad Kragness > Odenton, MD > '94 Concours > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 15:55:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CKtlie004335; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:55:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CKtlY6004325; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:55:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6DBD@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Free VA State Inspection Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:55:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I favorite memory was their refusal to pass the bike they had sold me a short time earlier because of a missing reflector. Strange, it didn't prevent them from selling me the bike. You can imagine what Honda wanted for an original reflector, which they'd be happy to order for me. A trip to PepBoys and a dollar fixed the problem. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "If your named Will and you are in the army do you get worried when people say fire at will?" DO NOT DO THIS! The reason Coleman's offers a free inspection (and I know this from past experience) is so that they can push unnecessary "repairs" and "service" onto customers. Anything they tell you during or after this inspection should be taken with the Bonneville Salt Flats. Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 16:16:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CLGCie009090; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:16:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CLGB0C009080; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:16:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49243@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'bernescut@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Free VA State Inspection Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:25:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain My favorite one is when I went in for an inspection and they failed me for a cracked signal lens. Handed me an estimate to fix it for some huge amount. Said I'll fix it, took it, fixed it, brought it back. This time they failed me for steering head bearings!?! Handed me a way bigger estimate. Good try, but I can do that too, so I took it, fixed it, brought it back. This time they failed me for... Honestly, I have no idea what for because I became a raging lunatic as soon as the guy said I failed again. "Why the fuk can't you tell me EVERYTHING that is wrong at once? Just give me back the gaddamn thing so I can get the fuk outta here and away from you azzholes." Was just about the exact thing I screamed, among other things. When he came back and told me the bike was outside, there was a huge lugie on the seat. Coleman's is good for one thing. Wasting their time as long as possible to your maximum benefit, then leaving and purchasing/getting service elsewhere. You know how online places (and brick and mortars, too) have some certain percentage off list price on the parts like 10%, 15%, 30% whatever? Coleman's marks a percentage UP from list. Nice. Twats. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: bernescut@XXXXXX [SMTP:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:56 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Free VA State Inspection > > I favorite memory was their refusal to pass the bike they had sold me a > short time earlier because of a missing reflector. Strange, it didn't > prevent them from selling me the bike. You can imagine what Honda wanted > for an original reflector, which they'd be happy to order for me. A trip > to > PepBoys and a dollar fixed the problem. > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Annandale, VA > > "If your named Will and you are in the army do you get worried when people > say fire at will?" > > > > DO NOT DO THIS! > > The reason Coleman's offers a free inspection (and I > know this from past experience) is so that they can > push unnecessary "repairs" and "service" onto > customers. Anything they tell you during or after this > inspection should be taken with the Bonneville Salt > Flats. > > Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 16:34:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CLYMie013833; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:34:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CLYLwI013823; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:34:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001b01c2e8df$68173e60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6DBD@NCEAEXCHANGE> Subject: Re: Free VA State Inspection Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:35:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I was a little mystified when one lister said he/she wanted a "real" inspection. As if to suggest the state's inspection processes have a lot to so with certifying a vehicle as "safe" or roadworthy. The state-mandated inspection is merely an exercise in sticker procurement. Nothing more; nothing less. If you have doubts about the roadworthiness of your bike, I'd take that up through separate channels and not get it entangled with the state's inspection procedure. I remember from living in VA, I'd "save up" routine maintenance on the cage and have my favorite shop do the inspection "while they were at it." Never had a vehicle fail for BS "make work" reasons. One thing the DC system has going for it (other than that cage inspection** is good for two years in DC) is that the inspection and repair doesn't happen in the same place. There's no profit motive for the inspectors to fail vehicles arbitrarily. **For reasons that mystify me, bikes must be inspected annually. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:55 PM Subject: RE: Free VA State Inspection > I favorite memory was their refusal to pass the bike they had sold me a > short time earlier because of a missing reflector. Strange, it didn't > prevent them from selling me the bike. You can imagine what Honda wanted > for an original reflector, which they'd be happy to order for me. A trip to > PepBoys and a dollar fixed the problem. > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Annandale, VA > > "If your named Will and you are in the army do you get worried when people > say fire at will?" > > > > DO NOT DO THIS! > > The reason Coleman's offers a free inspection (and I > know this from past experience) is so that they can > push unnecessary "repairs" and "service" onto > customers. Anything they tell you during or after this > inspection should be taken with the Bonneville Salt > Flats. > > Chris Weaver > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 16:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CLfVie015539; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:41:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CLfTxa015524; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:41:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:41:19 -0500 From: Randy Moran Subject: Weekly Coleman's Pile on, was Free VA State Inspection In-reply-to: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49243@SERVER2> To: DC Cycles Message-id: <5C725C4E-54D3-11D7-A666-000393ADC3E6@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT When I was a salesman at Coleman's (Jan-Apr '95), it was procedure, when asked by a customer what a specific bike cost, to quote $200 above MSRP. We were taught to assume ignorance on the part of the potential customer, and I'm sad to say that most of the time that assumption payed off. I felt pretty crappy about doing this most of the time (unless a particular customer rubbed me the wrong way immediately), and I didn't always. Anyway, the point is that Coleman's as an enterprise exists to extract the maximum profit from every transaction; Dale Coleman, the founder, used to quote his motto to us salesmen quite frequently. It was "Every deal for every dollar." Forewarned is forearmed. Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 17:04:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CM4iie025047; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:04:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CM4huU025037; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:04:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030312155715.00a20370@pop3.covad.net> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:56:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: My sick day today (cough).... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I woke up this morning, a bit late as usual. Shaved, showered, checked email, looked at the Yahoo home page -- news, sports, weather, weather, weather, etc., and noticed that I felt a bit logie -- sort of tired, and used up. Not surprising, since Nancy's been home the last two days with some kind of coughing bug. Slurped the usual humongous cup of coffee, read the papers, did an hour of work on my Web database, and never did perk up. So I thought I'd better take the old temp. Damn! Double-damn! 98.7 and rising! Better get to the doctor fast, grab some antibiotics and stop this thing in its tracks. Sent an email to work saying I'd be out today, called the HMO to tell them I'd be in. Bundled up -- gotta stay warm when you're not well, ya know, but today the Joe Rocket Atomic seemed to be all I needed, and no winter gloves. Must be the fever, I thought -- put the winter gloves in the tank bag of the 919, just in case. Got the bike out of the garage, and headed for the doc's. I was feeling well enough to notice that it seemed awfully pleasant; nice and warm even though the sun wasn't out. The fever must have been doing its dirty work, though, because I drifted off into some sort of reverie for a while... ...from which I was yanked impolitely by some imbecile in a smaller SUV in front of me, leaning way over into the passenger seat and retrieving what looked like tabloid newspaper pages from the floor. Yow! (Yo?) -- gotta get away from this one, so I nailed it to pass, and then noticed that it didn't look like my doc's neighborhood at all. So I started looking around for signs, and about a half mile further on I spotted a left turn sign that read "Solomons....3". Well, nothing to do now but have a little lunch in Solomons, since my clock says almost one o'clock (can't be, eh? Nah...flick, flick... still 1 pm. Oh, well.) And a beer. Draft Bass always works against a fever, my not-quite-sainted mother used to say. Family being stronger than water (or fruit juice), who am I to argue? And it goes really well with rockfish. (Urp. 'Scuse me.) Getting on to 2:15, though, so I'd better be moseying along to the doc's. Hope they're still expecting me. Back on up the road -- a number of different back roads, actually, 'cause when you're fighting delirium, you don't want to repeat scenery and induce some sort of mental feedback loop, do you? And just then, when I'm thinking "uh-oh, lost again," I spotted a sign on the left side of the road. It subtly announced, in large red letters, "Aprilia - Triumph - Ducati." Kismet! The perfect place to ask for directions -- bikers must know the local roads. Sure enough, after about an hour of boringly staring at bike after bike after bike, and even politely buying some stuff in the accessories shop, I was able to attract the attention of one of the sales 'droids long enough to get myself pointed back toward Alexandria and, by now, semi-emergency medical attention. Somewhat fortuitously, I started to feel a whole lot better as I crossed the drawbridge (probably some sort of interstate healing effect - [ed.]), so I elected to try instead to make it home and try the fruit juice and ibuprofen route. Sure enough, I pulled the bike into the garage, headed upstairs, fixed a glass of pear-flavored Assam iced tea, and felt fine without having to resort to over-the-counter drugs. So, you see, dramatic proof that holistic medicine works! By 4 pm, I was well enough to climb the stairs to the bedroom/study and begin typing this long testimonial into Eudora. I didn't even need the ibuprofen, and I expect to be well enough to make it into work tomorrow. Unless the Yahoo weather page upsets my delicate equilibrium again. ========================================= BTW, while making polite small talk with the sales person who was giving me directions, I mentioned that the Clinton showroom was full of motorscooters where the Ducati sportbikes used to be, and used rice-fueled cruisers where the Monsters and Aprilias used to be. As a matter of fact, the only new bikes in the place were some Triumphs along the back wall, and the *only* Ducati in the place was a 750 Monster wearing Maryland plates. Having a sense of foreboding since they told me they were dropping Aprilia last year, I asked if they were still a Ducati dealer. The salesperson said yes, but they didn't have any new bikes in stock, and he thought they weren't going to be a Ducati dealer much longer. When I said that well, then, there wouldn't be any reason for me to come back there any more, he quickly said that he could order me any Ducati I wanted. Of course, he knew *nothing at all* about the newly-announced S4R or the Multistrada, for which I had a deposit check heating up in my wallet. I mean *nothing at all* -- he didn't even know they were Ducatis! (No lie!) And he couldn't understand why I'd prefer to spend my $15K with a dealer who's going to be around for a while (Him, repeatedly: "I'm sorry I offended you." Me: "You didn't offend me, I'm just not interested in buying a bike from a dealer who's dropping that brand." Duh.) It looks like the Branch Ave. Clinton is fast becoming just a used Japanese bike outlet for machines they take in trade at the Harley dealership (my guess). It's certainly a shell of what it was two years ago. (They do have a *ton* of used bikes with less than 1K on the clock, though -- a 2002 RC51 with 800 miles and Yosh exhaust for $7995, a 2002 F4i with 101 miles, etc.) All this rambling leaves me with questions: which dealership do I want to deal with on a Multistrada? I want a place I can rely on for service and parts. It looks like the only relatively local options are Powerslime Woodbridge, whose kiddie sales staff annoys me to much to consider, and Battley. (Coleman Falls Church is not listed as a Duc dealer any more on the Duc USA Web site.) There's Winchester Motorsports, Ducati Richmond, and Speed's Cycle in Elkridge, MD. Has anyone bought a Duc from one of these people or Battley? Any relevant advice to offer? Should I actually consider buying from a California dealer and shipping one out here, which would probably be cheaper overall anyway? Thanks -- Larry (Healthy in mind(?) and body, finally, after today; but how long will it last?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 17:17:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CMHQie031493; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:17:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CMHQ4l031482; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:17:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303122217.QEL39204@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:17:18 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: My sick day today (cough).... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry cautioned us: >I woke up this morning, a bit late as usual. Shaved, showered, checked >email, looked at the Yahoo home page -- news, sports, weather, weather, >weather, etc., and noticed that I felt a bit logie -- sort of tired, and >used up. [Dave] Thanks for the reminder on keeping healthy... Good thing the doctor's not right next door, huh? A little two wheeled therapy would do all of us some good... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 17:17:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CMHSie031519; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:17:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CMHSTp031513; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:17:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030312221701.75195.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:17:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: DC inspection To: Paul Wilson , Charlie Ozark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <015101c2e8ae$26806f20$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CHAPTER 7. MOTOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT CDCR 18-731 (2003) 18-731. WINDSHIELDS AND MIRRORS *** 731.6 Each motor vehicle shall be equipped with a mirror or mirrors so located as to reflect to the driver, under all conditions of loading, a view of the highway for a distance of at least two hundred feet (200 ft.) to the rear of the vehicle [thg] however, it appears there may be more requirements which are not available through the dc code of municipal regulations:[/thg] CDCR 18-700 (2003) 18-700. GENERAL PROVISIONS 700.6 The Motor Vehicle Inspection Manual of the District of Columbia (also referred to as "District Inspection Manual" or "Manual"), which describes in detail certain standards, types, and various requirements regarding mechanical and other equipment relating to the safe operation of motor vehicles, is incorporated by reference in this chapter. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie Ozark" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: DC inspection > > > > Thanks all for the info. The bike came this way (used) > - it's an > adjustable > > bar-end type. apparently the stockers on the SV were > pretty useless. Left > > side only is legal in NY (where it came from), and I > thought I read that > > about DC too. DMV doesn't answer the phone anymore so > I haven't been able > > to verify. > > > And if they did answer the phone, five calls would > probably yield five > different answers to your query. You could put this to > rest by heading to > your nearest branch of the DC Public Library and look it > up in the DC > Municipal Regulations. I doubt the mirror thing will be > a showstopper, > given the very cursory nature of the inspection. I did > the "lights work, > horn works, here's your sticker" drill this morning after > a half-hour wait. > The sticker affixer was a bit bumfuzzled by another biker > who had a KLR650 > with inverted forks. They finally just gave him the > sticker to put wherever > he wanted. So, the moral of the story is, with respect > to the DMV, they > often make it up as they go along. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 19:05:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2D05aie013096; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:05:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2D05ZHi013086; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:05:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Sharp" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Maryland: Bike Registration and inspection. Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:05:13 -0500 Message-Id: <20030312235913.M29220@sharpie.org> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.90 20030212 X-OriginatingIP: 205.226.130.6 (rob@XXXXXX) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I just moved to Rockville, MD. I am trying to register my bike in Maryland I am want to make it as painless as possible. I have a 1988 Honda NT650 - Registered in NY state, clean title and no leans. In NY the title is milage exempt cause it's over 10 years old. Here is my thinking on the steps to get this done. 1)Move the insurance policy to Maryland. 2)Take the title and bill of sale (which I don't have cause I paid 800 cash in NY, so I am working on that) to MVA and get it registered and plated. 3)Get it inspected. Is there anything I am missing, how much does an inspection cost? Or registration for that matter. And finally an other sugesstions. Rob -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 19:08:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2D08gie014681; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:08:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2D08gDo014673; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:08:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Sharp" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Maryland: Bike Registration and Inspection. Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:08:31 -0500 Message-Id: <20030313000728.M28164@sharpie.org> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.90 20030212 X-OriginatingIP: 205.226.130.6 (rob@XXXXXX) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I just moved to Rockville, MD. I am trying to register my bike in Maryland I am want to make it as painless as possible. I have a 1988 Honda NT650 - Registered in NY state, clean title and no leans. In NY the title is milage exempt cause it's over 10 years old. Here is my thinking on the steps to get this done. 1)Move the insurance policy to Maryland. 2)Take the title and bill of sale (which I don't have cause I paid 800 cash in NY, so I am working on that) to MVA and get it registered and plated. 3)Get it inspected. Is there anything I am missing, how much does an inspection cost? Or registration for that matter. And finally an other sugesstions. Rob -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 19:54:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2D0sLie026796; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:54:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2D0sLm8026788; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:54:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030312194310.00a235d0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:46:34 -0500 To: matthew patton From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My sick day today (cough).... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030312225029.27130.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030312155715.00a20370@pop3.covad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:50 PM 3/12/03, you wrote: >Winchester would be my first recommendation but Speed's is I believe of >excellent repute as well. Minding what owning a Ducati entails, mind >you. Jim (shoe@XXXXXX) might be able to fill in a bit. Pity about >that dealership. they were the one place many of us local Triumph >people would happily take our bikes to as the service dept was top >notch. Richmond is also a good, quality outfit and won't be going >anywhere. Bit of a haul too. Yeah, I'd been using Clinton for my Aprilia and Suzuki work, since the head mechanic was so good. All those you mention above are quite a haul from Alexandria, though, for warranty work, even assuming they'd set firm appointment times so I could wait around. Maybe there'll be a moto trailer in my future...and a hitch on the 325. Thanks -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 19:56:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2D0uOie028401; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:56:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2D0uOui028393; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:56:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:50:02 -0500 Subject: re: Duc purchase From: Bob McKeithen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200303130000.h2D001UP009260@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have not purchased a Ducati there, but did purchase my Moto Guzzi at Winchester Motorsports. They are good folks and will not hose you. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 20:54:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2D1suie004067; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:54:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2D1stee004057; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:54:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:54:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: My sick day today (cough).... To: llarson@XXXXXX Cc: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E6FE4E2.A8EC4396@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030312155715.00a20370@pop3.covad.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030312194310.00a235d0@XXXXXX> llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > Yeah, I'd been using Clinton for my Aprilia and Suzuki work, since the head > mechanic was so good. There's a joke in there somewhere, but I don't know where to start. Was the mechanic's name Monica, maybe? Nah... Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 21:12:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2D2Csie005788; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:12:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2D2CsOT005772; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:12:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030313021252.9823.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:12:52 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: My sick day today (cough).... To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E6FE4E2.A8EC4396@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Monica as the "head" mechanic? I like it! Next thing you know you'll be commenting on the "Oral Office".... -- Larry --- Dale Horstman wrote: > llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Yeah, I'd been using Clinton for my Aprilia and Suzuki > work, since the head > > mechanic was so good. > > There's a joke in there somewhere, but I don't know where > to start. > Was the mechanic's name Monica, maybe? Nah... > > Horkster > > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 21:30:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2D2UGie010579; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:30:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2D2UFgl010571; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:30:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <06b501c2e908$5d280830$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Larry Larson" , "Dale Horstman" , Cc: "matthew patton" , References: <20030313021252.9823.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: My sick day today (cough).... Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:29:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Helping you get better by doing "Deep Knee Bends" Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Larson" To: "Dale Horstman" ; Cc: "matthew patton" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: Re: My sick day today (cough).... > Monica as the "head" mechanic? I like it! Next thing you > know you'll be commenting on the "Oral Office".... > > -- Larry > > > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Yeah, I'd been using Clinton for my Aprilia and Suzuki > > work, since the head > > > mechanic was so good. > > > > There's a joke in there somewhere, but I don't know where > > to start. > > Was the mechanic's name Monica, maybe? Nah... > > > > Horkster > > > > -- > > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > > '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 12 22:06:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2D369ie015427; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:06:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2D369iO015420; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:06:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <06c701c2e90d$58d1db30$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Rob Sharp" , References: <20030312235913.M29220@sharpie.org> Subject: Re: Maryland: Bike Registration and inspection. Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:05:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 You can download a bill of sale on the MVA web page, it has to be notorized. If you already had it tagged in NY, you shouldn't need it, but you will need your insurance information. You can get a 15 day tag if you want to ride it to the inpection, but more money to get that. You need the inspection certificate to get the regular tags. Go early to the MVA, it will take a while unless you get there first thing in the morning. Inspections can cost you different rates depending on where you bring it. Sounds like River Road is good from the way people talk on here. I had mine done at Cycles USA on Georgia Ave. and it was about $45, and pete is good there, but he is by the book. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Sharp" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:05 PM Subject: Maryland: Bike Registration and inspection. > I just moved to Rockville, MD. I am trying to register my bike in Maryland I > am want to make it as painless as possible. > > I have a 1988 Honda NT650 - Registered in NY state, clean title and no leans. > In NY the title is milage exempt cause it's over 10 years old. > > Here is my thinking on the steps to get this done. > > 1)Move the insurance policy to Maryland. > > 2)Take the title and bill of sale (which I don't have cause I paid 800 cash in > NY, so I am working on that) to MVA and get it registered and plated. > > 3)Get it inspected. > > Is there anything I am missing, how much does an inspection cost? Or > registration for that matter. And finally an other sugesstions. > > Rob > -- > Rob Sharp > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 08:03:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DD3pie022299; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:03:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DD3oJB022289; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:03:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: rob@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maryland: Bike Registration and inspection. Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:52:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 12:52:21.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[63067E10:01C2E95F] CAD Cycles in Gaithersburg also does inspections. Give Dave or Ryan a call 301-977-7188. Rob '98 VFR800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Sharp" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:05 PM Subject: Maryland: Bike Registration and inspection. > I just moved to Rockville, MD. I am trying to register my bike in Maryland I > am want to make it as painless as possible. > > I have a 1988 Honda NT650 - Registered in NY state, clean title and no leans. > In NY the title is milage exempt cause it's over 10 years old. > > Here is my thinking on the steps to get this done. > > 1)Move the insurance policy to Maryland. > > 2)Take the title and bill of sale (which I don't have cause I paid 800 cash in > NY, so I am working on that) to MVA and get it registered and plated. > > 3)Get it inspected. > > Is there anything I am missing, how much does an inspection cost? Or > registration for that matter. And finally an other sugesstions. > > Rob > -- > Rob Sharp > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer > > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 08:15:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DDFRie027044; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:15:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DDFRaE027033; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:15:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:31:25 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Maryland: Bike Registration and inspection. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Rob Keiser wrote: > CAD Cycles in Gaithersburg also does inspections. Give Dave or Ryan a call > 301-977-7188. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 And my friends over at Montgomery Village Auto Clinic also do bike inspections. I think Rob even had his car inspected there :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 08:26:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DDQFie028722; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:26:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DDQEOY028712; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:26:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maryland: Bike Registration and inspection. Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:26:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 13:26:07.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[1ABD9A30:01C2E964] All true! Slipped my mind. Nice guys there, as well. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Maryland: Bike Registration and inspection. Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:31:25 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Rob Keiser wrote: > CAD Cycles in Gaithersburg also does inspections. Give Dave or Ryan a call > 301-977-7188. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 And my friends over at Montgomery Village Auto Clinic also do bike inspections. I think Rob even had his car inspected there :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 09:03:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DE3sie002762; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:03:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DE3rkB002752; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:03:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030313140315.37205.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:03:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Directory for Motorcycle Show is up To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was checking out the Cycle World Motorcycle Show web page today, and saw they finally put up the directory of venders. 146 listed venders, not bad at all. Not as many as the biggies, like New York and Chicago, but more than some of the others, such as Dallas and Atlanta. There is also a list available of dealers that offer a $1.00 coupon for the show: http://dealerlist.motorcycleshows.com/ShownameListDisplay.asp?shwn=Washington,DC I'll be helping out for a few hours at the "Ride for Kids" booth (located with the Cycle World booth). We'll be selling raffle tickets for 3 off-road motorcycles and a trailer (a Honda XR400R, CRF230F and XR50R, and a Kendon stand-up trailer). Also, if anyone is a HRCA member, if you stop by the booth and sign an attendance sheet, Advanstar Communications, the company that manages the Cycle World shows, will donate $1 to the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the US for each of you. Louis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 09:09:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DE95ie006149; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:09:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DE953o006143; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:09:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: COTU IV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4a July 24, 2000 Message-ID: From: "Steven T Meredith" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:07:32 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on VA-FCH32/SRV/CSC(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 03/13/2003 09:06:08 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fellow VFR riders in the DC/MD/VA area. Time to plan for the annual trek to Marietta, OH on 2-4 May. Who's interested? Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 12:21:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DHL8ie016755; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:21:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DHL7Rl016745; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:21:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030313172059.18310.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:20:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Maryland: Bike Registration and inspection. To: "S. Russell" , Rob Sharp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <06c701c2e90d$58d1db30$0200000a@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii rob: i believe the inspection will cost you $37 at potomac amoco. remember to ask for rick hart (he's the only one who does bike inspections). as scott mentioned, don't go to mva without having an inspection certificate.... you don't want to go to mva more than once. trust me. registration will be for two years and, if i recall correctly, it was $70 or less. --- "S. Russell" wrote: > You can download a bill of sale on the MVA web page, it > has to be notorized. > If you already had it tagged in NY, you shouldn't need > it, but you will need > your insurance information. You can get a 15 day tag if > you want to ride it > to the inpection, but more money to get that. You need > the inspection > certificate to get the regular tags. Go early to the > MVA, it will take a > while unless you get there first thing in the morning. > > Inspections can cost you different rates depending on > where you bring it. > Sounds like River Road is good from the way people talk > on here. I had mine > done at Cycles USA on Georgia Ave. and it was about $45, > and pete is good > there, but he is by the book. > > Scott __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 13:12:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DICLie020198; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:12:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DICLbg020190; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:12:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MCN value guide Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:00:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 18:00:16.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[676EABA0:01C2E98A] Does anyone have the latest Motorcycle Consumer News value guide? I need to figure out what to sell my '94 Yamaha Seca II for. If someone could email or fax (202) 872-4265 it would be much appreciatted. Also if the guy that was selling his Seca II recently could email me, I have some questions for him. Thanks, Rich '02 SVS '94 Seca II (FS) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 15:37:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DKbGie027734; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:37:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DKbFrZ027724; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:37:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:37:14 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Dead Battery? Message-ID: <20030313120229.D27792-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oops. Looks like I left my battery connected over the last three months or so (when I haven't been riding), and now the bike ignition won't catch. Where can I get a battery charger/tender? How much do they cost? Is it possible to jump a bike from a car battery? Is it advisable? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 15:43:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DKhqie001838; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:43:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DKhqhd001829; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:43:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYArFSSLi+jKGfttjsGieE5j6FjLM9Xb7ndZmQO2urXv5PQBcdVZx7+D/tGT0b2jl4= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Fish Flowers'" Cc: Subject: RE: Dead Battery? Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010F37@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F4301@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal I've got a battery charger you can use. I'm in Arlington, close to the Pentagon....contact me off line. I got it at Trak Auto or Autozone or whatever...I think it was around $40-50; but some are like $20. The descriptions on the box tell you which ones are suitable for smaller (m/c) batteries. If your battery isn't that bad off (e.g. not completely dead, just not enough to turn it over), I'd consider just bump starting it and going for a long ride. But that is the redneck (VA, not MD) in me speaking. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:37 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Dead Battery? Oops. Looks like I left my battery connected over the last three months or so (when I haven't been riding), and now the bike ignition won't catch. Where can I get a battery charger/tender? How much do they cost? Is it possible to jump a bike from a car battery? Is it advisable? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 15:45:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DKjiie003464; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:45:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DKji9n003455; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:45:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:45:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Dead Battery? In-reply-to: <20030313120229.D27792-100000@yes.devclue.com> To: DC-Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Fish Flowers wrote: > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:37:14 -0800 (PST) > From: Fish Flowers > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Dead Battery? > > Oops. Looks like I left my battery connected over the last three months or > so (when I haven't been riding), and now the bike ignition won't catch. > Where can I get a battery charger/tender? How much do they cost? Target, Walmart, any auto-parts place, Sears, Colemans (they have the "smart" ones even) etc. If you're in Arlington, and are desparate, I can help out, send me an email. They're not very expensive -- probably less than $50 for something middle of the road. Just make sure you set the correct charging rate and voltage for your battery > Is it possible to jump a bike from a car battery? Is it advisable? Yes, I've done it, but, from my experience, it can be risky. Cars have enough amps to cook things on bikes. The charger route is much less risk, imo. There's a moto battery and electrics faq out on the net, IIRC. Dan. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 15:48:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DKm2ie003524; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:48:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DKm1Cw003516; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:48:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030313154453.022cb540@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:47:56 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Dead Battery? In-Reply-To: <20030313120229.D27792-100000@yes.devclue.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sure - you can jump from a car. I think bike batteries used to be primarily 6 volt, but most I have seen are now 12 like a car. I could be wrong - I often am. I have had to jump the VFR from a car multiple times. If you don't count the 2 fried RRs - my electrics are fine :-/ Pick up a cheap 3 position charger at sears. New ones have auto-cutoffs for long term trickle charging. My old boy has 6volt, 12 volt 4 amp and 12 volt .5 amp settings. There are also plenty of MC specific chargers out there for nightly trickle charging. Not really necessary IMHO. At 03:37 PM 3/13/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: >Oops. Looks like I left my battery connected over the last three months or >so (when I haven't been riding), and now the bike ignition won't catch. >Where can I get a battery charger/tender? How much do they cost? > >Is it possible to jump a bike from a car battery? Is it advisable? > >Fish. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 15:55:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DKtDie012978; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:55:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DKtD6N012968; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:55:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:55:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: RE: Traffic Signal Problem. (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Cool. I wasn't expecting a reply so fast... -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:47:34 -0500 >From: "Bonds, Elaine O" To: "'Daniel H. Brown'" Subject: RE: Traffic Signal Problem. Mr. Brown, Thank you for utilizing our Customer Service Center. I forwarded your e-mail to Mr. Robert Sheehan, Traffic Signal Engineer for review and response. Should you need further assistance or wish to speak with Mr. Sheehan please call 1-888-383-VDOT 98368). Elaine, TCC -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:03 PM To: NOVAinfo@XXXXXX Subject: Traffic Signal Problem. Virginia Department of Transportation Northern Virginia District Avion Lakeside I 14685 Avion Parkway Chantilly, Virginia 20151-1104 March 13, 2003 To Whom It May Concern: I'm writing to request you investigate and repair the traffic signal sensing devices installed at the corner of Sunset Hills Blvd and Temporary Road/Oracle Way, in Reston. I ride a motorcycle and work at Oracle. Nearly every time I use the intersection in question, I find I am unable to get the signal to change, unless a car or other larger vehicle happens to be in the same lane, going the same direction as I am. Thank you. Sincerely, Daniel H. Brown. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 16:00:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DL0wie017770; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:00:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DL0wX8017759; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:00:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030313155754.021852f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:00:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Storm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Weatherbug Sez : ====== District Of Columbia Portions Of Maryland North And West Virginia Extreme Southeast West Virginia Effective This Thursday Afternoon And Evening From 220 PM Until 800 PM EST. Hail To 1 Inch In Diameter... Thunderstorm Wind Gusts To 70 Mph... And Dangerous Lightning Are Possible In These Areas. ====== I hope it hails all over my 'new' house so I can get fresh siding. I also hope it doesn't hail anywhere else - especially on those that rode today. I can stand strong rain, but I hate strong wind and obviously no one likes hail. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 16:23:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DLNEie027561; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:23:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DLNDAn027551; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:23:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.17.21.61] From: "Charlie Ozark" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC DMV Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:11:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 21:11:21.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[18A38340:01C2E9A5] RE customer service tester, don't they have to have somone actually answer phones at the call center? they used to. the options on the phone are exactly what they have on the web, which is to say, nothing for motorcycles. but i digress. while getting my temp tags yesterday a brawl broke out in the middle of the main DMV lobby... what drama! i was already at a counter, and once it started i just put my head down and tried to concentrate on my forms (and keep my service rep's attention). it was a big catfight between some female security guards and small gang of wronged customers - with incessant screaming, hair pulling, punches, the works. U-G-L-Y. who knew the DMV could be so exciting? To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC DMV service feedback Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:00:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 For DC'ers: The below stumbled over at the DMV site. Maybe next year (note the past date). Pointed to at http://dmv.washingtondc.gov/main.shtm Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I'd volunteer but they'd balk at my steely demeanor Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ******** Wednesday, January 22, 2003 Become A DC DMV Customer Service Tester The DC DMV Tester Program is scheduled to begin in February 2003. Volunteers will be asked to evaluate both the telephone and information desk employees by visiting one of our information desks at any customer service center and/or calling the Customer Service Call Center. The goals of the program are to assist with quality control for the department's operations, to provide information and to share customer experiences when interacting with DC DMV. The first phase of testing will begin early February. The kick-off meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, January 29, 2003 at 301 C Street, NW. The meeting will start at 6:30 pm. The DC DMV will distribute forms and explain the program. For more information contact Rhonda Cheatham Woods at 202-724-4819 or by email at rhonda.cheatham@XXXXXX. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 16:38:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DLcOie001841; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:38:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DLcKR1001826; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:38:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030313213818.7959.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Dead Battery? To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030313154453.022cb540@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The tip for jump-starting from a car is TURN THE CAR IGNITION OFF. Don't have the car running and you'll be fine. I've done this numerous times and have never had any kind of electrical problems as a result on any of my bikes. You DO need to go for a LONG ride (an hour maybe) to really charge up the battery. Fifteen minutes around the neighborhood ain't gonna do it. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 16:49:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DLnJie006676; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:49:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DLnIwi006661; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:49:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E70FCA6.C18E93DB@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:48:22 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Dead Battery? References: <20030313213818.7959.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver wrote: > The tip for jump-starting from a car is TURN THE CAR > IGNITION OFF. Don't have the car running and you'll be > fine. I've done this numerous times and have never had > any kind of electrical problems as a result on any of > my bikes. Yep. My method is hook up the jumpers and let weak battery soak up the juice without the mother vehicle running. for about 10 minutesor a ciggie, or a cuppa coffee, whichever comes first, and then start the down machine. Soon as it fires I disconnect the jumper. > You DO need to go for a LONG ride (an hour maybe) to > really charge up the battery. Fifteen minutes around > the neighborhood ain't gonna do it. YEAH! A long ride. Nawlins LA or Key West FL oughta do it! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 16:51:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DLpbie008313; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:51:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DLpaIc008304; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:51:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E70FD34.DDAE96F4@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:50:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie Ozark CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC DMV References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charlie Ozark wrote: > while getting my temp tags yesterday a brawl broke out in the middle of the > main DMV lobby... what drama! i was already at a counter, and once it > started i just put my head down and tried to concentrate on my forms (and > keep my service rep's attention). it was a big catfight between some female > security guards and small gang of wronged customers - with incessant > screaming, hair pulling, punches, the works. U-G-L-Y. > > who knew the DMV could be so exciting? Yahoo! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 18:30:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DNUFie016870; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:30:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2DNUEbv016863; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:30:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030313233007.4821.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:30:07 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: re: dmv brawl To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You mean the guard didn't whip out his side-arm and pop somebody? Even if it was dept policy to have the first 3 rounds as blanks, I'm sure just one shot would have gotten everybody's attention. ===== "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 20:24:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2E1OSie025953; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:24:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2E1OOX3025943; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:24:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:40:14 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Storm In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030313155754.021852f0@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Troutman wrote: > I hope it hails all over my 'new' house so I can get fresh siding. I also Read this, then make your insurance claim for the new siding you want (and should just pay for yourself) - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2576-2003Mar9.html :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 13 20:40:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2E1egie029227; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:40:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2E1egGk029217; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:40:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030314014034.16089.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:40:34 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Storm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Come on now! Getting fat and happy off of somebody's else's money is written into the Constitution as an inalienable right. Or hadn't you noticed? USA culture has been going this way for the last 30 years at least. So shall we talk about those people who scratch up their bodywork and go demand the insurance company restore it with brand new? Hmmm? ===== "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 09:17:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2EEHiie003809; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:17:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2EEHgpZ003799; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:17:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030314090855.021b4e48@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:14:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Storm In-Reply-To: <20030314014034.16089.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:40 PM 3/13/2003, matthew patton wrote: >Come on now! Getting fat and happy off of somebody's else's money is >written into the Constitution as an inalienable right. Or hadn't you >noticed? USA culture has been going this way for the last 30 years at >least. An act of God ruining my siding, being replaced with my home insurance plus interest, isn't exactly somebody else's money. But otherwise - I agree with you. Personal responsibility has been destroyed in most other areas of our lives. Insurance and PR are kind of a gray area though. ...as for this http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2576-2003Mar9.html - USAA didn't cancel me in '99 - and that hail ripped apart my CB750 and my siding. Insurance companies got SCREWED in that storm. Fortunately - all of the claimants now have vinyl instead of aluminum siding! MC Content - My fingers and toes are still iced over. Gauntlet gloves are not cutting it with wind resistance. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 09:25:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2EEPxie005493; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:25:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2EEPw3G005483; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:25:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030314142551.68738.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:25:51 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Carb Sync Tool Advice To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Any advice on carb sync tools? What model & where to buy? I'd prefer to avoid the merc sticks if possible. This will be used for both 2-carb (kz440) and 4-carb (gl1000) bikes, plus anything else that might come along later. Thanks for any advice. Brian Ray __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 09:33:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2EEXfie012095; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:33:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2EEXeP0012085; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:33:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001a01c2ea36$a586e590$6801a8c0@STEVEN> From: "Bruce N" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030314142551.68738.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Carb Sync Tool Advice Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:33:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 www.carbtune.com 'nuff said. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ray" > Any advice on carb sync tools? What model & where to > buy? I'd prefer to avoid the merc sticks if possible. > > This will be used for both 2-carb (kz440) and 4-carb > (gl1000) bikes, plus anything else that might come > along later. > > Thanks for any advice. > > Brian Ray From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 10:05:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2EF5Cie015508; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:05:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2EF5BCh015493; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:05:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303141504.ACJ57675@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:04:57 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Storm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman preached: >An act of God ruining my siding, being replaced with my home insurance plus >interest, isn't exactly somebody else's money... [Dave] It's one thing to drop unprofitable policies for abuse, it's another thing entirely to agree in writing by legal contract that your company will cover financial losses under a given set of circumstances, then, when those circumstances occur, not cover them, force the policy holder to obtain a lawyer to sue, short change customers and otherwise attempt to discourage the customer from filing a claim under the policy... AND ... > >...as for this >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2576- 2003Mar9.html - USAA >didn't cancel me in '99 - and that hail ripped apart my CB750 and my >siding. Insurance companies got SCREWED in that storm [Dave] No insurance company was harmed as a result of that storm, period. Insurance companies wouldn't be in business were it not profitable . Having just gotten done insurance shopping, I can verify, 1st hand, that they maintain a list of every time you even call them, much less file a claim, AND, if you have filed a claim, most companies won't accept you as a customer. The period they look back varies, 3-5 years is typical. You hear about catastrophic events (claims) like 9/11, or hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, etc... But what's the net profit every other year? Obviously it's not too shabby because most of the companies that we would use to insure our cages, bikes & homes have been around and in the black for decades... If you defraud the insurance company by 'scratching your paint' or, as a high school classmate, slash your near bald tires, you are a felon. But when the company refuses to abide by their terms of the contract, they are just "maintaining profitability"... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 11:54:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2EGsbie019283; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:54:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2EGsaNW019276; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:54:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Local VFR Pilots....COTU4 is Soon! Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:54:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2003 16:54:29.0111 (UTC) FILETIME=[60BA8070:01C2EA4A] High VFR content. If you don't have a VF/VFR and/or don't care about the Center of the Universe ride....delete now. Otherwise.... In case I missed anyone on my previous Local VFR Pilots Distro: Greetings all Local VFR Pilots! I know it's been a long time and an even longer winter, but Spring is just around the corner and you know what that means! That's right, the annual COTU (Center Of The Universe) Ride is coming up. This is year number 4 and all of the details can be found here: http://www.wdgah.org/events/eventDetail.asp?eventID=19 I'll also copy the web text below. The three of us from MotorcycleGroupTours.com (Justin, Herb, & myself) in addition to Paul Wilson (an honorary MGT'er ;) are already committed to going and will ride a very scenic way out together on Friday, May 2nd and will return Sunday, May 4. We hope the rest of this distro can join us as we represent the DC/MD/VA area. (There is no charge for this ride, in case you were thinking it. Save your money for beers at Damon's!) Remember, the more VFR's the BETTER! :) Let me know if you can make it, and we'll put you on the distro going forward for updates and meeting information, but book your rooms now They are going fast! Also, put your name on the sign up list at the link above. If your email address has changed, or if you would like to be removed from my friendly, local VFR pilot distro, please let me know and I won't bother you again. Thanks for the time. Hope to see you all soon! Rob '98 VFR800 www.MotorcycleGroupTours.com (Updated site will be live soon!) COTU INFO IS NEXT: Event Name: COTU IV Description: Center of the Universe IV (2003) Event Start Date: 5/2/2003 Event End Date: 5/4/2003 Primary Locale: Marietta OH Location/Hotel or Meeting Place: Damons (motel reserved is Comfort Inn) Location Phone: (740) 374-8190 (Comfort Inn) Location URL: www.comfortinn.com Event Contact: Alan Wilson Contact Phone: Contact E-mail: adwvfr@XXXXXX Event Details: Everything is now set up for the 4th occasion of the 'Center of the Universe' (COTU) get-together. Here are the details.... Date: Weekend of May 2-4, 2003 (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) Where: Marietta, OH Motel: Comfort Inn, Marietta OH (740) 374-8190 Dinner: Damon's (attached to the Comfort Inn) at 7:30PM on Saturday Once again we have the banquet room in the back of the restaurant. BTW, they like us, say we're 'big tippers'. ;) A block of rooms has been reserved under 'VFR Group'. Be sure to mention that when making a reservation. The rooms are all non-smoking, doubles. We got a decent rate of about $63 / night but if you can swing a better deal with the desk person, go for it. It is suggested that you book early as unreserved rooms will be released two weeks prior the event. With luck, the snow will have melted in this part of the universe by then. :p If you are planning on attending, be sure to SIGN UP BELOW. You still have to make your reservations at the Comfort Inn -- this list is just so everybody can see who is planning on being there. This event info was submitted by: Alan Wilson _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 16:03:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2EL3fie025696; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:03:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2EL3ddZ025686; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:03:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515708@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Dead Battery? Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:05:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Fish Flowers ' fessed "Oops. Looks like I left my battery connected over the last three months or so (when I haven't been riding), and now the bike ignition won't catch. Where can I get a battery charger/tender? Almost everywhere; WM, AutoZone, Sears . . . "How much do they cost?" Depends. You can get a Battery Tender for anywhere from ~$60 local stealer or ~$40 from mail order See bike mag ad for Chaparral Or Hmmm, Froogle.com lists: http://www.motoemporium.com/btender/batterytender.html " Is it possible to jump a bike from a car battery? Is it advisable?" yup and you can jump cage from a motorcycle. Like others cautioned, a cage's charging system can overwhelm yer bike. And if charging doesn't work, Sam's, Wally Mart, National Tire & Battery have been recommended in the past. Carl in Bethesda (gummimint hepper) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 16:17:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ELHLie028901; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:17:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ELHKHg028891; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:17:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515709@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'rob@XXXXXX'" Subject: Maryland: Bike Registration and inspection. Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:19:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Rob Sharp recently said, " I just moved to Rockville, MD. I am trying to register my bike in Maryland I am want to make it as painless as possible. I have a 1988 Honda NT650 - Registered in NY state, clean title and no leans. In NY the title is mileage exempt cause it's over 10 years old. I registered a bike last Fall at the Gaithersburg MVA. I had replaced the Speedo so mileage was different from the title's but, they only noted the deviation (i.e., no sweat) Tom's correct, the inspection at Potomac Amoco will cost you $37. (Rick Hart is the only one who does bike inspections). Call and make an appointment He's very busy on Saturday. Batch of fees; IIRC ~$50 for filing; 5% of value for title (not a sales tax they emphasize), and ~$70 for the 2 year tags. Take something to read. "Here is my thinking on the steps to get this done. 1) Move the insurance policy to Maryland." [Shop around. Shopping's cheap and can save you a lotta bucks.] Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 20:14:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2F1EMie007896; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:14:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2F1EKtt007886; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:14:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:14:14 -0500 From: Randy Moran Subject: My First Commute on my New bike To: DC Cycles Message-id: <6F715AAE-5683-11D7-B646-000393ADC3E6@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I commuted on the RC51 for the first time today. It was in the upper 20's when I left the house, but I just couldn't stand the car anymore. Anyway, I came off 66 and onto the Beltway headng south. I'd been feeling a little jammed since Vienna, so I did a quick head check, saw lots of open space behind, and fired over to the left lane like I used to on my SV. Hoooo-ly Crap! This thing pulls! Worse, it's so smooth I don't yet have a good sense of the speed. I looked down long enough to notice I was doing 90, moved over and got off the gas, then sweated the cops for the next mile or so. I cannot afford a ticket, but I'm expecting one in the near future. I was hoping to go for a long ride this weekend. Does anyone have anything planned? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 20:18:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2F1I6ie012916; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:18:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2F1I6gG012911; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:18:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:17:52 -0500 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: My First Commute on my New bike In-reply-to: <6F715AAE-5683-11D7-B646-000393ADC3E6@comcast.net> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030314201630.04382bf8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 08:14 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I was hoping to go for a long ride this weekend. Does anyone have anything >planned? I'll be out on the new toy, but I have to keep things under 4000 RPM's for another 138 miles or so, not that I'm counting. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 20:50:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2F1osie016295; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:50:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2F1osUj016285; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:50:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <144.cedb85b.2ba3e0ef@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:50:39 EST Subject: Re: Carb Sync Tool Advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/14/2003 9:26:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, bdaleray@XXXXXX writes: > Any advice on carb sync tools? What model & where to > buy? I'd prefer to avoid the merc sticks if possible. I make no claims for the following. Just got a catalogue from Shade Tree Powersports, they have a dial set for $52.99 (4cyl.) Figures, its the set I have been looking for and gave up on to buy a mercury set last month, damn. www.shadetreepowersports.com (Their part # is 07-404) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 22:38:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2F3cIie020018; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:38:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2F3cFRf020003; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:38:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <03f701c2eaa4$7c9682d0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Wayne Edelen" Cc: References: <3E636FEC.72D6FA94@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Who rode? Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:39:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.140.218] at Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:38:00 -0600 I know this is old news.............but I've been outta town. (Daytona). Horster..............you rule. Mike *********************************************************** >From: "Dale Horstman" > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > Is this what's become of dc-cycles? Mark hurling insults at all MD/VA > > residents, Tom hurling insults at Mark, Mark using his best Internet > > muscles to challenge Tom? And now we insult each other's rides? :-\ > > Sounds healthy and normal to me. > > Oh yeah, and chain drive bikes suck. :) > > Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 22:39:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2F3d5ie021658; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:39:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2F3d50b021654; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:39:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <03ff01c2eaa4$9c31ca00$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <3E636FEC.72D6FA94@comcast.net> <3E637254.F922831F@tasam.com> <3E637E16.F6EC3D93@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Who rode? Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:40:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.140.218] at Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:38:58 -0600 Tell 'em Horkster !!! Mike *********************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" To: "Skip" Cc: "Wayne Edelen" ; Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Who rode? > Skip wrote: > > > and you CAN'T wheelie *or countersteer* a shaftie. > > > > :~) > > just keep on thinking that... :) > > Hork From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 14 22:49:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2F3nBie026493; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:49:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2F3nBBU026483; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:49:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <044a01c2eaa6$05601990$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: carbs Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:46:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.140.218] at Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:49:04 -0600 Really depends on the size and location of the smallest holes in your carbs. I have bikes that sit for 6-8 months at a time without problems. Then again I have 3 bikes (CBX) that I won't let sit for more than 3 months without startup. After that..........it's a real problem. Mc ************************************************ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sharifi" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: carbs > Mine had been parked outside since the end of december as well. I didn't > put in any stabilizer, and I was worried about my carbs as well (normally I > ride through the winter, but this one was a little cold and snowy for me). > Anyway, after charging the battery, it started up fine yesterday. > I'm pretty sure you'll be okay, considering mine was stuck in a snow drift > for two months. > > >From: bernescut@XXXXXX > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: carbs > >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:57:11 -0500 > > > >I hate to interrupt with a motorcycle question, but I was curious about my > >carbs. I parked my CBR600F4 at the beginning of December and haven't > >touched it since. It's been kept in an unheated garage under cover and I > >pulled the battery which I left hooked up to my Battery Tender. The tank > >is > >half full but I neglected to add any fuel stabilizer. What are the chances > >that the carbs will be gummed up with varnish a this point? Are commercial > >carb cleaners safe, or useful? Should I just ride go ahead and ride it? > > > >Cedric > >2000 CBR600F4 > >Washington, DC > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 15 07:11:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2FCBLie032245; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:11:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2FCBIsq032230; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:11:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001c01c2eaeb$f9baac90$6600a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles" References: <6F715AAE-5683-11D7-B646-000393ADC3E6@comcast.net> Subject: Re: My First Commute on my New bike Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:10:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609541118144351114faf17fd3a40132301667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > ...and fired over to the left lane like I used to on my SV. > > Hoooo-ly Crap! This thing pulls! Worse, it's so smooth I don't yet have > a good sense of the speed. One advantage of a smaller bike is that one can play with the throttle with less of a chance of getting in trouble ;-) Enjoy!! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 15 20:15:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2G1FUie011723; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:15:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2G1FTlb011716; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:15:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:15:21 -0500 From: Randy Moran Subject: Road Report - 15 MAR 03 To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I took a leisurely spin with a few buddies today on some of the back roads in and around Middleburg and points west. The weather was brilliant, the bikes ran well, and I've no incident to report. For those of you heading out tomorrow, I thought I'd give a heads up. The Plains Road or "Halfway Road" between Middleburg and The Plains is in lovely shape with no potholes or gravel to report. We did see some police activity near the The Plains' firehouse; looked like in-town speed enforcement. Zulla Road is peachy, no sand, some wet spots. Rt 601 to Mount Weather EAC is an absolute disaster, with a treacherous, barely visible strip of fine gravel down the middle of each lane, mud and water at the entrance to every curve. This road is definitely not ready for primetime for the sport bike riding public. I'd avoid it 'til the first good spring toadstrangler. Cruiser guys should be able to enjoy it fine, though it gets cold quickly as you climb the mountain. Anyway, that's it. There were a lot of bikes out today, mostly cruiser types. They all waved. Life is good. Randy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 03:34:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2G8YFie018628; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 03:34:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2G8YA93018613; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 03:34:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030316023305.00b706e0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:34:12 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Road Report - 15 MAR 03 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Rt 601 to Mount Weather EAC is an absolute disaster, with a treacherous, >barely visible strip of fine gravel down the middle of each lane, mud and >water at the entrance to every curve. Yup. That's the good 'ol bike-eating Mt. Weather I remember. Sounds like it has prepared itself well for the '03 season! Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 16:03:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2GL3Bie006762; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:03:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2GL39Eg006747; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:03:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9607EAD45E@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Cc: Lisa Brown Subject: Fatality on Rt100 in Maryland Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:02:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Running some errands out by my house this afternoon, I ran across a rider fatality on Rt 100 West near the rt108 Exit in MD... I was a mess... Rider under a sheet in the left lane and the remains of what appeared to be a gixxer in the left shoulder.. Hopefully it wasn't anyone on the list... I have no idea what happened, I just saw the aftermath... My thoughts go out to the rider and his family. I hate to see stuff like this whatever the reason... Everyone, just be careful out there..... Jason From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 16:20:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2GLKtie015020; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:20:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2GLKtY3015010; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:20:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030316162016.01f2bd98@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:20:47 -0500 To: Jason Picton , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Fatality on Rt100 in Maryland Cc: Lisa Brown In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9607EAD45E@wash58.acs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Damn..I hate to hear shit like this too. The weather turns nice and this happens... -aki At 04:02 PM 3/16/2003, Jason Picton wrote: >Running some errands out by my house this afternoon, I ran across a >rider >fatality on Rt 100 West near the rt108 Exit in MD... I was a mess... >Rider >under a sheet in the left lane and the remains of what appeared to >be a >gixxer in the left shoulder.. > >Hopefully it wasn't anyone on the list... I have no idea what >happened, I >just saw the aftermath... My thoughts go out to the rider and his >family. I >hate to see stuff like this whatever the reason... Everyone, just be >careful >out there..... > >Jason From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 16:28:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2GLSfie021454; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:28:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2GLSfgb021441; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:28:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030316212828.51218.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:28:28 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Fatality on Rt100 in Maryland To: Aki Damme , Jason Picton , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Cc: Lisa Brown In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030316162016.01f2bd98@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Unfortunately, it is that time of year. Spring brings everyone out on their bikes. Many don't "warm up" to riding again. Just hop on and go. Many new riders decided over the winter that this would be the year to get a bike, or a bigger bike. A local board I read had a newbie ride yesterday. A nice slow paced ride for beginners to get out and get a feel for things. One rider went wide in a curve, rode off the road into the ditch hitting the culvert. >From what I hear, he is ok, bike is GSXR600 is totalled. RIP to the rider. Todd --- Aki Damme wrote: > > Damn..I hate to hear shit like this too. The > weather turns nice and > this happens... > > -aki > > > At 04:02 PM 3/16/2003, Jason Picton wrote: > >Running some errands out by my house this > afternoon, I ran across a > >rider > >fatality on Rt 100 West near the rt108 Exit in > MD... I was a mess... > >Rider > >under a sheet in the left lane and the remains of > what appeared to > >be a > >gixxer in the left shoulder.. > > > >Hopefully it wasn't anyone on the list... I have no > idea what > >happened, I > >just saw the aftermath... My thoughts go out to the > rider and his > >family. I > >hate to see stuff like this whatever the reason... > Everyone, just be > >careful > >out there..... > > > >Jason > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 17:23:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2GMNDie028150; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:23:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2GMNCT1028140; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:23:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030316172026.01fafec0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:23:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: North Beach Blessing of the Bikes - Angels vs Pagans..bah Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27818-2003Mar14.html ridiculous...I went last year and it was very peaceful. The only issue was finding a spot to park! I do like this part though: Members of the Hells Angels and Pagans have remained quiet in the debate. They declined to comment for this article. But people who know them said their outlaw reputation is undeserved. "They're all employed, upper-middle-class, real-life people like you and me. They're not scourges," said Doug Barber, a North Beach photographer who runs a local biker Web site. yup...just as I suspected, most of the HA are really just dentists, doctors and lawyers...gone really bad. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 19:11:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H0Bcie010584; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:11:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H0BcDw010573; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:11:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Anyone use an LA Wheel Chock Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:11:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c2ec19$c3ee5830$0e00a8c0@training.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <03f701c2eaa4$7c9682d0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal I'm looking at these to easily ride both my bikes in the garage and chock it vertical. Actually the TL1000R sportbike isn't such an issue, but the Shadow Sabre has no way of using a rear stand. Anyone every use one of Baxley's free-standing chocks? I really don't want to bolt anything to the garage floor either. Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 19:49:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H0nRie018963; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:49:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H0nQi0018955; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:49:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007c01c2ec20$1c3c07c0$4021bc3f@k1100rs> From: "Jeff Hughes" To: References: <000901c2ec19$c3ee5830$0e00a8c0@training.local> Subject: Re: Anyone use an LA Wheel Chock Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:56:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > I'm looking at these to easily ride both my bikes in the garage and > chock it vertical. Actually the TL1000R sportbike isn't such an issue, > but the Shadow Sabre has no way of using a rear stand. Anyone every use > one of Baxley's free-standing chocks? I really don't want to bolt > anything to the garage floor either. > > Gary > Yeah, I use an LA Chuck for transporting my bike in the back of my pickup. Works like a champ (allows you to safely transport your bike without having to compress the suspension). It would work fine in a garage. The unit is a bit pricey, but is very well made and does exactly what it is intended to do. Recommended. Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 19:53:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H0r7ie022237; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:53:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H0r76x022233; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:53:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Anyone use an LA Wheel Chock Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:53:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c2ec1f$900a4a50$0e00a8c0@training.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <007c01c2ec20$1c3c07c0$4021bc3f@k1100rs> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Did you get it direct from Baxley or are there discounts to be had? -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Hughes [mailto:jeffreyhughes@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:57 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone use an LA Wheel Chock > I'm looking at these to easily ride both my bikes in the garage and > chock it vertical. Actually the TL1000R sportbike isn't such an > issue, but the Shadow Sabre has no way of using a rear stand. Anyone > every use one of Baxley's free-standing chocks? I really don't want > to bolt anything to the garage floor either. > > Gary > Yeah, I use an LA Chuck for transporting my bike in the back of my pickup. Works like a champ (allows you to safely transport your bike without having to compress the suspension). It would work fine in a garage. The unit is a bit pricey, but is very well made and does exactly what it is intended to do. Recommended. Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 20:03:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H13Zie031912; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:03:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H13ZO2031902; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:03:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.83.223.127] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: leather softener Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:52:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2003 00:52:17.0819 (UTC) FILETIME=[756FAEB0:01C2EC1F] I just got new gloves and they're stiff. I've used leather softener on baseball mits before. Would it weaken or lessen the protection of the gloves at all? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 20:25:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H1PFie007884; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:25:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H1PEJT007877; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:25:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:18:44 -0500 Subject: Spring skills tune up From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Today I used our training range in Martinsburg to do a little skills tune up for members of my little local riding group. We concentrated on refreshing turning, swerving, and stopping exercises. Several members had purchased new bikes late last Fall. One example-- a guy coming off an Intruder had bought a Gold Wing. He really had a chance to get comfortable with the bike and discovered that it would way more than he had thought. ( It's not the bike--it's the rider) Another rider even older than I am had not ever taken the MSF course and he was able to do the figure eight in the box by the end of the day. He said it was a revelation. The point is, folks this MSF s--t works. Do whatever you have to do to get ready for this riding season. Find an empty parking lot, take an ERC--whatever. Although I ride all year,I find that after riding in the Winter I need to work on getting my eyes up-- too much watching for ice patches, gravel, sand, etc. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 20:39:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H1d0ie016245; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:39:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H1cvGW016230; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:38:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003b01c2ec25$f37a5160$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Bob McKeithen" , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Spring skills tune up Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:38:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I was down in DC today (sorry, had to work) and went by RFK Stadium. They still have the Grand Pre Raceway still set up, but they have blocked it up to not make a complete circle. I was thinking that it could be used for motorcycle training area or even race training. Except for one weekend, it is never used, maybe DC could put it to good use. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob McKeithen" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: Spring skills tune up > Today I used our training range in Martinsburg to do a little skills tune up > for members of my little local riding group. We concentrated on refreshing > turning, swerving, and stopping exercises. Several members had purchased new > bikes late last Fall. One example-- a guy coming off an Intruder had bought > a Gold Wing. He really had a chance to get comfortable with the bike and > discovered that it would way more than he had thought. ( It's not the > bike--it's the rider) Another rider even older than I am had not ever taken > the MSF course and he was able to do the figure eight in the box by the end > of the day. He said it was a revelation. > > The point is, folks this MSF s--t works. Do whatever you have to do to get > ready for this riding season. Find an empty parking lot, take an > ERC--whatever. > > Although I ride all year,I find that after riding in the Winter I need to > work on getting my eyes up-- too much watching for ice patches, gravel, > sand, etc. > > Bob > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 20:47:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H1lcie022746; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:47:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H1lcNW022736; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:47:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008e01c2ec28$3d09e1e0$4021bc3f@k1100rs> From: "Jeff Hughes" To: References: <000e01c2ec1f$900a4a50$0e00a8c0@training.local> Subject: Re: Anyone use an LA Wheel Chock Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:55:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I got mine directly from Baxley (quick service, nice folks). I'm not aware of any other resellers or discounts. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Foreman To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: RE: Anyone use an LA Wheel Chock > Did you get it direct from Baxley or are there discounts to be had? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Hughes [mailto:jeffreyhughes@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:57 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Anyone use an LA Wheel Chock > > > > > > I'm looking at these to easily ride both my bikes in the garage and > > chock it vertical. Actually the TL1000R sportbike isn't such an > > issue, but the Shadow Sabre has no way of using a rear stand. Anyone > > every use one of Baxley's free-standing chocks? I really don't want > > to bolt anything to the garage floor either. > > > > Gary > > > > Yeah, I use an LA Chuck for transporting my bike in the back of my > pickup. Works like a champ (allows you to safely transport your bike > without having to compress the suspension). It would work fine in a > garage. The unit is a bit pricey, but is very well made and does > exactly what it is intended to do. Recommended. > > Jeff > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 21:09:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H29tie029335; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:09:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H29tQ6029327; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:09:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:04:35 -0500 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: new dirt bike! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000001c2ec29$8f68cea0$0b913044@fred> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Jay picked up a new (to us) dirt bike. Yeah, I say new to "us", not new to him because I am enjoying it too! I would never take a dirt bike and ride around illegally in the woods across the street, no, such activity is highly illegal!! And that stretch of road near my house that they closed for a few months to repair. No, I would never go ride around there! The joys of being an old woman, the Man shows up and doesn't do anything anymore. they just yell at me for a bit and tell me to go home! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 21:14:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H2Efie002067; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:14:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H2EfFN002062; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:14:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009e01c2ec2b$0268d9d0$44292c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "S. Russell" , "Bob McKeithen" , "DC Cycles" References: <003b01c2ec25$f37a5160$0200000a@Godzilla> Subject: Re: Spring skills tune up Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:14:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Russell" To: "Bob McKeithen" ; "DC Cycles" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Spring skills tune up > I was down in DC today (sorry, had to work) and went by RFK Stadium. They > still have the Grand Pre Raceway still set up, but they have blocked it up > to not make a complete circle. I was thinking that it could be used for > motorcycle training area or even race training. Except for one weekend, it > is never used, maybe DC could put it to good use. > > Scott > > And it prolly won't be used again. The DC Grand Prix is dead for this year. I suspect the track will be ripped out, if a better use for the site comes along. I don't know how secure it is. You could probably get in a couple of laps before being shooed away by DC's finest. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 21:19:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H2Jeie008595; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:19:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H2Jdso008586; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:19:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7530BA.580E7879@carlparker.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:19:38 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fatality on Rt100 in Maryland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Riding back to VA form PA I noticed that as soon as I got to to the Baltimore beltway the squidleys were out in full force. A virtual tennis shoe wearing, half buttoned shit armored, GSXR/R1/Busa'/Blade extravaganza. I can't blame them for wanting to get out though...it was beautiful weather. Ya just gotta keep your vibe chill until you can shake off the winter funk. I found that making it a point to do some nice long solo riding helps cuz' then there's no pressure to be competetive and you can get yourself back into form. Always sucks to hear someone go down. Ya'll take care now... YYEEEEEEEHAW, The Carl that is also Carl P.S. Rt.147 on the northern side of Baltimore is pretty nice soon'z you get a couple miles north of the beltway west of Rt1. Check it out sometime if it's not already on your list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 21:26:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H2Qnie011930; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:26:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H2QmFq011919; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:26:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E75322A.48C5B122@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:25:46 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob McKeithen CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Spring skills tune up References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got my tune up at NOVA-Loudoun. First BRC class of the season. The update didn't include riding since the weather has been crappy so I had to grind the rust off my demo skills while doing them. I've also discovered a few dozen muscles that my 3/week gym workouts haven't covered and am in the process of ingesting single malt scotch painkiller. Bill Bob McKeithen wrote: > Today I used our training range in Martinsburg to do a little skills tune up > for members of my little local riding group. We concentrated on refreshing > turning, swerving, and stopping exercises. Several members had purchased new > bikes late last Fall. One example-- a guy coming off an Intruder had bought > a Gold Wing. He really had a chance to get comfortable with the bike and > discovered that it would way more than he had thought. ( It's not the > bike--it's the rider) Another rider even older than I am had not ever taken > the MSF course and he was able to do the figure eight in the box by the end > of the day. He said it was a revelation. > > The point is, folks this MSF s--t works. Do whatever you have to do to get > ready for this riding season. Find an empty parking lot, take an > ERC--whatever. > > Although I ride all year,I find that after riding in the Winter I need to > work on getting my eyes up-- too much watching for ice patches, gravel, > sand, etc. > > Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 16 23:11:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2H4BSie025498; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:11:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2H4BSfe025488; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:11:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E754ADB.D06FBE9B@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:11:07 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: North Beach Blessing of the Bikes - Angels vs Pagans..bah References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030316172026.01fafec0@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.157.42.162] at Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:11:17 -0600 Aki Damme wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27818-2003Mar14.html > > ridiculous...I went last year and it was very peaceful. The only > issue was finding > a spot to park! > Aki, I was there too. I was helping to direct traffic to parking spaces for ABATE. I guess I didn't see you. :-) Did you happen to see the SWAT team on top of the building in front of the stage? I thought that was going a little overboard for a Blessing of the Bikes event. Steven. C. Di Pietro Interim National Director Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 06:58:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HBwpie002090; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:58:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HBwmVc002075; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:58:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Washington Post 3/17 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:59:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303170659046Q.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The article was mixed with another article about a traffic death. I've done a little editing. The name isn't familiar as far as the list is concerned but you never know what with aliases. Carl ------------------ [Shortly before noon], Denny Franklin Jones[, 46] died after he was thrown from his motorcycle in a crash in Sunderland, [] along Route 4, sheriff's office said. According to deputies, Jones's Harley-Davidson Road King pulled up behind an Audi drivin by Nathan Joel Shaffer of Huntingtown. Witnesses said Jones was following too closely, weaving back and forth and flashing his cycle's lights. When Shaffer tapped his car's brakes, the motorcycle struck the Audi from behind. Jones was thrown from the motorcycle and died at the scene, deputies said. -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 07:13:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HCDBie007293; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:13:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HCDBBD007278; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:13:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:28:34 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Washington Post 3/17 In-Reply-To: <0303170659046Q.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > ------------------ > [Shortly before noon], Denny Franklin Jones[, 46] died after he was thrown > from his motorcycle in a crash in Sunderland, [] along Route 4, sheriff's > office said. > > According to deputies, Jones's Harley-Davidson Road King pulled up behind an > Audi drivin by Nathan Joel Shaffer of Huntingtown. Witnesses said Jones was > following too closely, weaving back and forth and flashing his cycle's lights. > > When Shaffer tapped his car's brakes, the motorcycle struck the Audi from > behind. Jones was thrown from the motorcycle and died at the scene, deputies > said. Does it sound like an impatient biker and an annoyed cager and the biker lost when the cager decided to 'brake check'? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 07:51:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HCp6ie017227; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:51:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HCp6r5017217; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:51:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Re: North Beach Blessing of the Bikes - Angels vs Pagans..bah Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 7:50:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030317125059.SOGH18293.lakemtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> > > From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" > Date: 2003/03/16 Sun PM 11:11:07 EST > To: Aki Damme > CC: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: North Beach Blessing of the Bikes - Angels vs Pagans..bah > > > > Aki Damme wrote: > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27818-2003Mar14.html > > > > ridiculous...I went last year and it was very peaceful. The only > > issue was finding > > a spot to park! > > > > Aki, > I was there too. I was helping to direct traffic to parking spaces > for ABATE. I guess I didn't see you. :-) Did you happen to see the SWAT > team on top of the building in front of the stage? I thought that was > going a little overboard for a Blessing of the Bikes event. > I have NO IDEA how you missed me. I was the guy on the Harley in black leather. ;-) yeah I did see the SWAT team on the roofs. And the bands of them every 50 feet along the beach line. I've been to other bike events where the local constabulary seemed to have a heavy presence. I think a large visable police presence only makes those of us who wouldn't cause any trouble *feel* safer but in reality, those that want to cause serious trouble will do it with or without the police being there anyway. Just MHO. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 08:12:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HDCTie023873; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:12:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HDCTcY023861; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:12:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZNoNr3UCLa4+Qb5wSrrwPYvbuhKx2g91/9/6cuddIRdXH1vHSJx4IMJKp95JFNijg= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Washington Post 3/17 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E22CD@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-reply-to: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F448E@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal I was going to post that, glad you got to it. "Bike was following too close, so I killed him" Nathan Joel Shaffer is an asshole. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Washington Post 3/17 The article was mixed with another article about a traffic death. I've done a little editing. The name isn't familiar as far as the list is concerned but you never know what with aliases. Carl ------------------ [Shortly before noon], Denny Franklin Jones[, 46] died after he was thrown from his motorcycle in a crash in Sunderland, [] along Route 4, sheriff's office said. According to deputies, Jones's Harley-Davidson Road King pulled up behind an Audi drivin by Nathan Joel Shaffer of Huntingtown. Witnesses said Jones was following too closely, weaving back and forth and flashing his cycle's lights. When Shaffer tapped his car's brakes, the motorcycle struck the Audi from behind. Jones was thrown from the motorcycle and died at the scene, deputies said. -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 08:25:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HDPSie027241; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:25:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HDPR6U027231; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:25:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Washington Post 3/17 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:23:58 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <002d01c2ec88$77d8f5d0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E22CD@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sounds like a brake test for sure and the guy should be in jail. But to be weaving, following too closely and flashing lights behind someone is being a pretty big a**hole too. 2 assholes, 1 lived. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:12 AM > To: 'Carl Schelin'; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Washington Post 3/17 > > > I was going to post that, glad you got to it. > > "Bike was following too close, so I killed him" > > Nathan Joel Shaffer is an asshole. > > --jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:59 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Washington Post 3/17 > > The article was mixed with another article about a traffic death. I've > done a > little editing. > > The name isn't familiar as far as the list is concerned but you never > know > what with aliases. > > Carl > > ------------------ > [Shortly before noon], Denny Franklin Jones[, 46] died after he was > thrown > from his motorcycle in a crash in Sunderland, [] along Route 4, > sheriff's > office said. > > According to deputies, Jones's Harley-Davidson Road King pulled up > behind an > Audi drivin by Nathan Joel Shaffer of Huntingtown. Witnesses > said Jones > was > following too closely, weaving back and forth and flashing his cycle's > lights. > > When Shaffer tapped his car's brakes, the motorcycle struck the Audi > from > behind. Jones was thrown from the motorcycle and died at the scene, > deputies > said. > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National > Security risk if > Windows Source Code is made public. > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 08:33:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HDXmie030617; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:33:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HDXm2i030607; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:33:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYjyeolYVWXtmIbpk+YCTr1gqy1Mr2yirnczLRgsr6zQPgyGGYmEi4CRTDgF5rfEIU= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Washington Post 3/17 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:33:46 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83102D26@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-reply-to: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F4498@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Who were the witnesses? Passengers in the car with Sir Nathan the Righteous? And besides, you don't just go and kill someone for being an asshole. Kitchell would've been dead years ago. --jon ----- Jim McGonigle wrote: Sounds like a brake test for sure and the guy should be in jail. But to be weaving, following too closely and flashing lights behind someone is being a pretty big a**hole too. 2 assholes, 1 lived. > ----- Jon Strang wrote: > > I was going to post that, glad you got to it. > > "Bike was following too close, so I killed him" > > Nathan Joel Shaffer is an asshole. > > --jon > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 08:42:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HDgoie011350; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:42:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HDgnQm011338; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:42:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:13:04 -0500 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Fatality on Rt100 in Maryland / Weekend Riding. In-reply-to: <3E7530BA.580E7879@carlparker.com> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030317074747.036d4038@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 09:19 PM 3/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: > I can't blame them for wanting to get out though...it was > >beautiful weather. > My thoughts to out to the downed riders - we saw lots of bikes, but, thankfully, no bike accidents. Did see the remains of a car fire on 28 on Sunday though. This weekend was great. Had the new toy out this weekend, with the wife in the back seat. Had good rides, both days -- enough to be done with the break in, and needing to go back for the first service. I had a head start -- the new toy was a "demo" bike, but the dealer did provide the first service as part of the deal. Saturday's ride was mostly out through the Great Falls area. Between being in "break in" mode (both for the bike and for me, post winter) and finding sand in almost every corner, I took things pretty easy. Think I've seen enough of Old Georgetown pike. Sunday, I got the intercom installed on the new toy and then we headed south west out of Arlington -- Columbia Pike to Braddock, Braddock to Burke Lake Road out through Clifton. At some point, we started just picking directions when we came to an intersection. We eventually ended up in Centerville, and after getting gas, ate lunch at a particularly scary McDonalds. After lunch we headed north on 28, up to 7 west, that to 15 north. 15 took us to White's Ferry Road. We crossed at the Ferry. The toll is $2, which we had to dig out of the top bag -- should stick some cash in a pocket someplace for next time. After crossing, we wound through a few back roads until we found MD 190 and took that back through Potomac MD to Clara Barton Pkw, back across the river at Chain Bridge and home through Arlington. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 09:00:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HE0Lie019674; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:00:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HE0JV9019659; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:00:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Jon Strang'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Washington Post 3/17 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:58:51 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <003801c2ec8d$5816ac60$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83102D26@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal > > Who were the witnesses? Passengers in the car with Sir Nathan the > Righteous? > Who knows, but I'm assuming that if the police wrote it down it was from a 3rd party not in the car. I could be wrong, but we won't know that. > And besides, you don't just go and kill someone for being an asshole. > Kitchell would've been dead years ago. > I agree, he should go to jail for a long time. > --jon > > ----- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > Sounds like a brake test for sure and the guy should be in > jail. But to > be weaving, following too closely and flashing lights behind > someone is > being a pretty big a**hole too. 2 assholes, 1 lived. > > > > ----- Jon Strang wrote: > > > > I was going to post that, glad you got to it. > > > > "Bike was following too close, so I killed him" > > > > Nathan Joel Shaffer is an asshole. > > > > --jon > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 09:43:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HEhKie026526; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:43:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HEhKvJ026516; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:43:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E75DE89.956717D1@tasam.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:41:13 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Washington Post 3/17 References: <002d01c2ec88$77d8f5d0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder if he had a headlight modulator, and that's the explanation of the flashing lights. Jim McGonigle wrote: > > Sounds like a brake test for sure and the guy should be in jail. But to > be weaving, following too closely and flashing lights behind someone is > being a pretty big a**hole too. 2 assholes, 1 lived. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:12 AM > > To: 'Carl Schelin'; DC Cycles > > Subject: RE: Washington Post 3/17 > > > > > > I was going to post that, glad you got to it. > > > > "Bike was following too close, so I killed him" > > > > Nathan Joel Shaffer is an asshole. > > > > --jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:59 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Washington Post 3/17 > > > > The article was mixed with another article about a traffic death. I've > > done a > > little editing. > > > > The name isn't familiar as far as the list is concerned but you never > > know > > what with aliases. > > > > Carl > > > > ------------------ > > [Shortly before noon], Denny Franklin Jones[, 46] died after he was > > thrown > > from his motorcycle in a crash in Sunderland, [] along Route 4, > > sheriff's > > office said. > > > > According to deputies, Jones's Harley-Davidson Road King pulled up > > behind an > > Audi drivin by Nathan Joel Shaffer of Huntingtown. Witnesses > > said Jones > > was > > following too closely, weaving back and forth and flashing his cycle's > > lights. > > > > When Shaffer tapped his car's brakes, the motorcycle struck the Audi > > from > > behind. Jones was thrown from the motorcycle and died at the scene, > > deputies > > said. > > -- > > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National > > Security risk if > > Windows Source Code is made public. > > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > > FXSTI) > > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 10:07:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HF7Qie031621; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:07:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HF7Qtr031611; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:07:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:22:50 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Washington Post 3/17 In-Reply-To: <3E75DE89.956717D1@tasam.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Skip wrote: > I wonder if he had a headlight modulator, and that's the explanation of > the flashing lights. It's a tragedy that someone lost their life in this avoidable accident. We can look at the story 2 ways, from the view of the cager or from the view of the biker. Either way, it falls on us, as bikers, to remain vigilant when riding and avoid these situations. Regardless of the intent of the cager, the fact remains that the biker was traveling behind the car and struck the car from behind in the accident. If I'm on my bike and a cager is blocking my travel, I either go around him or just hang back until the cager turns off or an opportunity presents itself for me to pass. As a matter of fact, I drive the same way in my cars/truck :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 11:20:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HGKLie004673; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:20:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HGKKS9004663; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:20:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9607EAD467@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Washington Post 3/17 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:19:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree that It's a tragedy that someone lost their life in this avoidable accident. However, the biker STRUCK the car.. For all I know the cager, could of slammed on his brakes to cause the accident (especially if the biker was acting like an ass). Whatever the reason, the biker should have been able to A. Brake as well and not run into the back of the car - If he couldn't then he was following too damn close. B. Been able to avoid the car in front. I am not advocating the so called brake test as it cost someone their life. But what if a something or someone ran out into the road in front of the audi. The guy on the bike, should have been further back in anticipation of a number of possibilities. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:23 AM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: Re: Washington Post 3/17 On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Skip wrote: > I wonder if he had a headlight modulator, and that's the explanation of > the flashing lights. It's a tragedy that someone lost their life in this avoidable accident. We can look at the story 2 ways, from the view of the cager or from the view of the biker. Either way, it falls on us, as bikers, to remain vigilant when riding and avoid these situations. Regardless of the intent of the cager, the fact remains that the biker was traveling behind the car and struck the car from behind in the accident. If I'm on my bike and a cager is blocking my travel, I either go around him or just hang back until the cager turns off or an opportunity presents itself for me to pass. As a matter of fact, I drive the same way in my cars/truck :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 11:31:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HGVxie009753; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:31:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HGVxiR009738; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:31:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030317163152.92732.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Fatality on Rt100 in Maryland To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E7530BA.580E7879@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder what the carnage statistics would have been with an optional helmet-law in place... In Chicago-land we had 60's and 70's and not a single helmet anywhere. Oops, correction. Father and son on a Yammi Star were both wearing helmets and imagine that, some gear!! ===== "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 11:33:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HGXmie011470; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:33:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HGXmkb011466; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:33:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030317103039.00b72ef8@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:33:53 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: RE: Washington Post 3/17 In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9607EAD467@wash58.acs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:19 3/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I agree that It's a tragedy that someone lost their life in this avoidable >accident. Yup, sure is. But here's the rub - It's the biker's fault. He willfully placed himself in a position of immediate danger. Is the guy in the Audi partly to blame? Of course. But the lion's share lies with the deceased. Following too closely is following too closely. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 14:59:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HJxPie021098; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:59:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HJxOtT021088; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:59:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7628E6.7302A3DB@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:58:30 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fatality on Rt100 in Maryland References: <20030317163152.92732.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Optional helmet law might work well - should weed out the logically challanged from the gene pool. Or maybe not. Tex-ASS comes to mind, and then there's Oh-Hell-It's-Ohio, both with mucky gene pools. matthew patton wrote: > I wonder what the carnage statistics would have been with an optional > helmet-law in place... In Chicago-land we had 60's and 70's and not a > single helmet anywhere. Oops, correction. Father and son on a Yammi > Star were both wearing helmets and imagine that, some gear!! > > ===== > "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 15:24:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HKOcie026257; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:24:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HKObrF026242; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:24:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030317151934.023ac9f8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:24:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Fatality on Rt100 in Maryland In-Reply-To: <3E7628E6.7302A3DB@patriot.net> References: <20030317163152.92732.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:58 PM 3/17/2003, William J. Huson wrote: >Optional helmet law might work well - should weed out the logically >challanged from >the gene pool. Or maybe not. Tex-ASS comes to mind, and then there's >Oh-Hell-It's-Ohio, both with mucky gene pools. Today at lunch - had it not been law in Virginia - I would not have worn my helmet to ride the few blocks to lunch. No sidewalks - so don't say 'walk'. When I lived in my townhouse, I would squid to the pool 4 blocks away in trunks and towel ... and helmet. Going 25 in a contained residential - it should be legal for me to go lidless if I choose. And beach cruising (aka Myrtle) - what is the point of a helmet in the heat going 5 mph? What is the point of cruising anyway - except girls :-) Now personally, I wouldn't go any further than a couple blocks and 30 mph without a lid regardless of the law. But it is that threshold that I should be able to choose for myself. Hey - its 61F and this is the first helmet thread of '03. Woo Hoo! Everyone go get drunk on St. Pattys tonight and ride home helmet-less to celebrate. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 15:25:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HKPKie026313; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:25:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HKPKpq026308; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:25:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030317152455.022e16a8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:25:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Fatality on Rt100 in Maryland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:58 PM 3/17/2003, William J. Huson wrote: >Optional helmet law might work well - should weed out the logically >challanged from >the gene pool. Or maybe not. Tex-ASS comes to mind, and then there's >Oh-Hell-It's-Ohio, both with mucky gene pools. Today at lunch - had it not been law in Virginia - I would not have worn my helmet to ride the few blocks to lunch. No sidewalks - so don't say 'walk'. When I lived in my townhouse, I would squid to the pool 4 blocks away in trunks and towel ... and helmet. Going 25 in a contained residential - it should be legal for me to go lidless if I choose. And beach cruising (aka Myrtle) - what is the point of a helmet in the heat going 5 mph? What is the point of cruising anyway - except girls :-) Now personally, I wouldn't go any further than a couple blocks and 30 mph without a lid regardless of the law. But it is that threshold that I should be able to choose for myself. Hey - its 61F and this is the first helmet thread of '03. Woo Hoo! Everyone go get drunk on St. Pattys tonight and ride home helmet-less to celebrate. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 17:54:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HMsWie004839; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HMsV6I004827; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030317225429.85713.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:54:29 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Fatality on Rt100 in Maryland To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030317163152.92732.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > I wonder what the carnage statistics would have been with > an optional > helmet-law in place... In Chicago-land we had 60's and > 70's and not a > single helmet anywhere. Oops, correction. Father and son > on a Yammi > Star were both wearing helmets and imagine that, some > gear!! Yep -- We're out in Chicago right now. Bikes all over the loop this weekend, and I haven't seen a helmet yet, on any type of bike. Lots of green plastic Irish top hats, though. Hey, Matt, this friggin heat wave is no way to treat tourists! I walked a couple of miles to a pool hall today and damn near expired... -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 18:51:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HNpIie010200; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:51:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HNpIhO010190; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:51:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016601c2ece1$fd8fed60$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: HB 923 - Motorcycle Parking Bill Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:04:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FYI ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: ABATE: HB 923 - Motorcycle Parking Bill > Bill Details: > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/hb0923.htm > > The parking bill will prohibit local governments from restricting the number > of motorcycles that can legally be parked in a metered parking space. > Current law allows local governments to restrict the number of motorcycles > to two. Only some local governments limit motorcycle parking in this > manner, but it can cause confusion and hardship for motorcycle riders who > are unaware of the restrictions. This bill would eliminate confusing and > sporadic enforcement practices and make parking regulations for motorcycles > uniform throughout the state. > > The House of Delegates Environmental Matters Committee voted on HB 923 on > March 14, 2003. The vote tally sheet shows that the vote was 21 Yeas and 0 > Nays. The next step for this bill is a full floor vote in the House of > Delegates. > > There is also a 'companion bill' in the Senate with bill number SB 650. > There is no committee vote available for the Senate version of the bill at > this time. > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 20:38:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2I1cmie026404; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:38:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2I1cQAq024490; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:38:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:35:38 -0500 Subject: Baxley Wheel/Tire Holders Message-ID: <20030317.203538.-89806199.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,7-8,12-14,16,18,20 From: Tom Fitzpatrick There are two. I have the larger, heavier, fully adjustable one, since I have vintage bikes with skinny tires as well as modern bikes. The newer, cheaper one is only for the current standard in sport bike tires, and only for the front. With mine, I can back my SV in and have a clean and clear front end, or put my GB500 in. I got mine, at discount, from Rick at Fast Lane Cycles. I am sure he could do the same for you. As a matter of fact, the National Cycle show is around the corner from his shop next weekend - everyone ought to plan on stopping by and saying hi. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 20:44:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2I1icie030039; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:44:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2I1iII9028121; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:44:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:42:06 -0500 Subject: Murder is Murder Message-ID: <20030317.204206.-89806199.1.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,8-9,13-14,19-23,25,27,29 From: Tom Fitzpatrick I hear and agree with all of the arguments about defensive driving, etc. However, the winner's (and murderers) write the history books, so I am highly skeptical of the story of someone flashing the lights and weaving on a Road King. I would like the bike inspected to see if it had a headlight modulator, as someone suggested. Also, not to cast a stereotype, but Road King riders generally aren't tailgaters or weavers, although it is certainly possible. As far as allowing a safe distance, I would think that most of us, if caught by surprise by a car with good brakes, like an Audi, would easily find ourselves in its back seat. Around here, safe distances under extreme circumstances are just not practical. At the very least, the car driver should have been charged, and the crime investigated to determine the degree of the crime. The way the article is communicated (edited), it sounds like the car driver should be consoled as if he had "accidentally" ran over a dog who was out chasing cars. Hang him. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 21:01:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2I214ie006092; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:01:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2I213P3006081; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:01:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318020056.33128.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:00:56 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Murder is Murder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030317.204206.-89806199.1.CelticRacing@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > As far as allowing a safe distance, I would think that most of us, if > caught by surprise by a car with good brakes, like an Audi, would > easily > find ourselves in its back seat. Likely very true. I'm very sensitive to interval and almost without fail cringe everytime I see a bike (no matter the style) as the rider is almost always positioned very poorly (lane position) as well as too closely to take any evasive or sufficient braking action. Situational awareness will save your life. Why people don't realize that I don't know. It applies to cagers too, just that they have an escape clause in the form of a ton of sheetmetal to cover up their stupidity. > Around here, safe distances under > extreme circumstances are just not practical. I beg to differ, actually. Oh there will be times where some jack*** will take away your space cusion but it's simple enough to get it back within a short moment of time. Had our Audi done his brake test and the bike was lined up on either side of the vehicle where he would have had a prayer of actually seeing what was going on up ahead, the collision, if it happened at all would have been a glancing one. Most people ride/drive like 3 second (or less) visibility is all they need. You're supposed to keep 12 seconds out. I agree with Tom that the driver's conduct needs to be scrutinized very carefully. Alas this will probably end up going under the column of "impatient/beligerant biker gets nailed for failure to maintain following distance" with all the sterotyping to go with it. For all we know, modulating headlight or not, the guy could have been weaving in slow traffic just to keep his feet on the pegs instead of dragging his boots. You know, like we do on bicycles with clipless peddals. Maybe the biker's family can sue for wrongful death or something. Take a hint: back off, improve your sight-distance, and always give yourself an out whether you're at 0 mph or 65 mph. ===== "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 21:56:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2I2uTie011441; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:56:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2I2uSId011431; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:56:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6DDC@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pena on O'Reilly Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:56:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone catch Chuck going toe to toe with Bill on the UN diplomacy? Held his own IMHO. Motocontent: I rode the CBR for the first time in 3 months, woohoo! Damn, better than s**! [only slightly more often, though :( ] Cedric Bernescut From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 17 22:59:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2I3xiie018771; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:59:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2I3xguW018761; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:59:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003401c2ed02$b810a010$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6DDC@NCEAEXCHANGE> Subject: Re: Pena on O'Reilly Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:59:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797593e970afabe772a1e8d56a472271ce350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Cedric pointed out: > Anyone catch Chuck going toe to toe with Bill on the UN diplomacy? Held his > own IMHO. [Dave] We have to get Bill to host Chuck & Gimer debating the finer points of diplomacy... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 08:05:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ID5Yie026727; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:05:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ID5Xsr026717; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:05:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 18 Mar 2003 13:05:24 GMT Message-ID: <001601c2ed4e$7ce50110$5302a8c0@jcaldwell> From: "Jim Caldwell" To: Cc: References: <200303180000.h2I001Ku017141@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: LA Chock Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:01:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I have an LA Chock and use it on my Valkyrie from time to time. It does not need to be bolted down and the jaws are adjustable for three different wheel widths to accommodate any bike. It's a very nice piece of equipment. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 10:03:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IF3Mie032319; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:03:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IF3JSB032304; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:03:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c701c2ed5f$cb7ae4a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Downtown snarled Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:05:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I pity anyone driving into downtown DC this morning. Unless you can deploy your creative lane use skills on a motorcycle. What a mess. All because of some tractor-driving nutter from NC. And so much for the Park Police and their vaunted security deployments around the Mall. And another thing: do drivers even listen to, much less heed, traffic reports? Do they change routes? Take Metro? My anecdotal evidence is that people don't alter their routes. Every day I take the outbound 14th St. Bridge every morning. On days where there's a crash on the bridge and 395 is horribly backed up, I take alternate routes (Wilson or Mem'l Bridges) and notice little additional load on the alternate routes. Lemming-like** they just persist on their ordinary routings, it would seem, and just sit in traffic. That doesn't bode well for any evacuation plans. Paul in DC **Lemmings flinging themselves mindlessly off cliffs appears to be a myth. 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 10:31:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IFVbie005418; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:31:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IFVaiT005408; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:31:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318153134.87676.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:31:34 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Downtown snarled To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <00c701c2ed5f$cb7ae4a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I didn't alter my route, but I was counting on filtering, which I did and which saved me an immense amount of time. It was crazy. jib --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I pity anyone driving into downtown DC this morning. > Unless you can deploy > your creative lane use skills on a motorcycle. What > a mess. All because of > some tractor-driving nutter from NC. And so much > for the Park Police and > their vaunted security deployments around the Mall. > > And another thing: do drivers even listen to, much > less heed, traffic > reports? Do they change routes? Take Metro? My > anecdotal evidence is that > people don't alter their routes. Every day I take > the outbound 14th St. > Bridge every morning. On days where there's a crash > on the bridge and 395 > is horribly backed up, I take alternate routes > (Wilson or Mem'l Bridges) and > notice little additional load on the alternate > routes. Lemming-like** > they just persist on their ordinary routings, it > would seem, and just sit in > traffic. That doesn't bode well for any evacuation > plans. > > Paul in DC **Lemmings flinging themselves > mindlessly off cliffs appears to > be a myth. > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 10:33:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IFXCie007168; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:33:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IFXBvl007164; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:33:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Downtown snarled Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:33:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 15:33:04.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAEE14B0:01C2ED63] I was already planning on riding the Metro today, due to some after work activities and wasn't looking forward to the extra people. But unlike most mornings I got a seat. So no, people don't listen. >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: "dc-cycles list" >Subject: Downtown snarled >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:05:16 -0500 > >I pity anyone driving into downtown DC this morning. Unless you can deploy >your creative lane use skills on a motorcycle. What a mess. All because >of >some tractor-driving nutter from NC. And so much for the Park Police and >their vaunted security deployments around the Mall. > >And another thing: do drivers even listen to, much less heed, traffic >reports? Do they change routes? Take Metro? My anecdotal evidence is >that >people don't alter their routes. Every day I take the outbound 14th St. >Bridge every morning. On days where there's a crash on the bridge and 395 >is horribly backed up, I take alternate routes (Wilson or Mem'l Bridges) >and >notice little additional load on the alternate routes. Lemming-like** >they just persist on their ordinary routings, it would seem, and just sit >in >traffic. That doesn't bode well for any evacuation plans. > >Paul in DC **Lemmings flinging themselves mindlessly off cliffs appears >to >be a myth. >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org _________________________________________________________________ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 10:33:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IFXcie007220; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:33:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IFXcIO007216; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:33:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318153334.30911.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:33:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Downtown snarled To: Isaac Blanck , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <20030318153134.87676.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why is he still there? It makes no sense. --- Isaac Blanck wrote: > Well, I didn't alter my route, but I was counting on > filtering, which I did and which saved me an immense > amount of time. It was crazy. jib > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > I pity anyone driving into downtown DC this > morning. > > Unless you can deploy > > your creative lane use skills on a motorcycle. > What > > a mess. All because of > > some tractor-driving nutter from NC. And so much > > for the Park Police and > > their vaunted security deployments around the > Mall. > > > > And another thing: do drivers even listen to, much > > less heed, traffic > > reports? Do they change routes? Take Metro? My > > anecdotal evidence is that > > people don't alter their routes. Every day I take > > the outbound 14th St. > > Bridge every morning. On days where there's a > crash > > on the bridge and 395 > > is horribly backed up, I take alternate routes > > (Wilson or Mem'l Bridges) and > > notice little additional load on the alternate > > routes. Lemming-like** > > they just persist on their ordinary routings, it > > would seem, and just sit in > > traffic. That doesn't bode well for any > evacuation > > plans. > > > > Paul in DC **Lemmings flinging themselves > > mindlessly off cliffs appears to > > be a myth. > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 10:38:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IFc6ie010684; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:38:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IFc6wi010674; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:38:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303181538.ACO25766@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:38:00 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Downtown snarled To: dc-cycles list X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul noticed: >I pity anyone driving into downtown DC this morning [Dave] As opposed to... ???? > What a mess. [Dave] And this is different, how? > All because of >some tractor-driving nutter from NC. [Dave] Sure... blame it on the tarheel ! > And so much for the Park Police and >their vaunted security deployments around the Mall. [Dave] well, unless you start fencing stuff off with only checkpoint access, how would they realistically prevent something like this? > >And another thing: do drivers even listen to, much less heed, traffic >reports? Do they change routes? Take Metro? [Dave] Paul, these are rhetorical questions, right ? Don't forget, *some* of us subbed here are mere unwashed suburb dwellers ;-) > My anecdotal evidence is that >people don't alter their routes [Dave] Baaaaaaah. If you listen closely whilst stuck in traffic one day, you'll hear that sound... It does sound like a bit of a problem downtown, remember the 1st Wilson (not Paul) bridge jumper ? What year was that? Anyway, the (over)reaction does seem similar. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 10:52:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IFqUie017662; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:52:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IFqUHn017652; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:52:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Downtown snarled Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:52:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <00c701c2ed5f$cb7ae4a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <00c701c2ed5f$cb7ae4a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03031810524478.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nah, most of them stopped on the freeway to read the overhead signs and then continued on. Fortunately I'm in early (~5:45am) and leave at 2:30. Carl On Tuesday 18 March 2003 10:05, Paul Wilson wrote: > I pity anyone driving into downtown DC this morning. Unless you can deploy > your creative lane use skills on a motorcycle. What a mess. All because > of some tractor-driving nutter from NC. And so much for the Park Police > and their vaunted security deployments around the Mall. > > And another thing: do drivers even listen to, much less heed, traffic > reports? Do they change routes? Take Metro? My anecdotal evidence is > that people don't alter their routes. Every day I take the outbound 14th > St. Bridge every morning. On days where there's a crash on the bridge and > 395 is horribly backed up, I take alternate routes (Wilson or Mem'l > Bridges) and notice little additional load on the alternate routes. > Lemming-like** they just persist on their ordinary routings, it would seem, > and just sit in traffic. That doesn't bode well for any evacuation plans. > > Paul in DC **Lemmings flinging themselves mindlessly off cliffs appears > to be a myth. > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 11:28:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IGSsie023011; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:28:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IGSrBX023000; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:28:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006a01c2ed67$bcad8ce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , "dc-cycles list" References: <200303181538.ACO25766@ms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Re: Downtown snarled Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:01:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > > And so much for the Park Police and > >their vaunted security deployments around the Mall. > > [Dave] well, unless you start fencing stuff off with only > checkpoint access, how would they realistically prevent > something like this? > How about Jersey barriers that seem to ring everything these days? And what is it with this these oppressed farmer types who seem to have nothing better to do but take their tractors for a swim in the Mall? Next time, try the Potomac, at high tide. > > It does sound like a bit of a problem downtown, remember the > 1st Wilson (not Paul) bridge jumper ? What year was that? > Anyway, the (over)reaction does seem similar. > Agree on the over-reaction thing. WashPost on-line says that while the streets are closed, pedestrians and gawkers can get pretty close. WTF. At least you can't blame this Charlie Foxtrot on the MPD. This is a Park Police show. Paul in DC < Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IGpwie026594; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:51:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IGpwY9026584; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:51:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318165149.53014.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:51:49 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Downtown snarled To: DCCycles In-Reply-To: <006a01c2ed67$bcad8ce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul asked rhetorically: > And what > is it with this these oppressed farmer types who > seem to have nothing better > to > do but take their tractors for a swim in the Mall? That one's easy, the government isn't going to pay them to (not) grow tobacco anymore, so now they won't get the money needed to make payments on the tractor. Since it's the government that's defaulting on the tractor payments, they can just have the damned tractor. If you've been to the Smithsonian, you'll see there's a large Farmall on display that was driven up from Texas back in the 70s that was also part of a protest of some kind. Perhaps now there will be a John Deere sitting next to it. Leon. As a government contractor, does taking my John Deere on a business trip count as a government subsidy? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 11:54:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IGshie028359; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:54:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IGsgnx028354; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:54:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318165439.78517.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:54:39 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Several of the guys near here want to get their licenses this spring, others want to practice riding, and my boss wants to learn how to get his knee down on the pavement. We're getting together at the commuter parking lot at Exit 158 of I-95 in Virginia on both Saturday and Sunday this weekend (March 22 and 23) I'm also inviting the members of the Ninja 250 list, so it's possible that there will be a few of them there as well. I plan to do circles (three interlocking 22 foot circles for tight turn practice) figure 8's (a 50 foot figure eight for higher speed turning) and will go over both the Virginia and Maryland motorcycle riding test. If you just want to hear about and see some of the practice for the riding test, feel free to come in a cage. I'm pretty sure we can find a bike for you to practice with. Email me for additional information. Times are still to be determined, but won't be earlier than 10 AM or later than 6 PM. Disclaimer: This is not an official event of any kind, no money will change hands, this is just a bunch of friends getting together to discuss and practice street riding. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 11:54:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IGstie028430; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:54:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IGssSK028401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:54:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303181654.ACO42182@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:54:52 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Downtown snarled To: dc-cycles list X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a Wilson-esque fit of rhetoric, I asked: >> [Dave] well, unless you start fencing stuff off with only >> checkpoint access, how would they realistically prevent >> something like this? >> and Paul reminded us - >How about Jersey barriers that seem to ring everything these >days? And what is it with this these oppressed farmer types >who seem to have nothing better to do but take their >tractors for a swim in the Mall? Next time, try the >Potomac, at high tide. [Dave] Apparently, the jersey barriers negatively affect tourism for 2 reasons 1: they're not aesthetically pleasing. and 2: the name Jersey, which is associated with New Jersey has it's own, negative connotation... Instead, you could do as the Capitol, Mondo flower pots with small trees in them - still tourist friendly, and enough to stop vehicles - probably more than the jersey walls. >Agree on the over-reaction thing. WashPost on-line says that while the >streets are closed, pedestrians and gawkers can get pretty close. WTF? [Dave] You have to shut the streets down to cut down on the rubber necking while driving... Else, instead of really inconvenient traffic, you'll have a parking lot... where if you listen closely, again you'll hear 'baaaaaaaaah'... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 12:33:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IHXJie006775; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:33:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IHXIqV006765; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:33:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0e8e01c2ed74$bff3a440$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , "dc-cycles list" References: <200303181654.ACO42182@ms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Re: Downtown snarled Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:34:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > and Paul reminded us - > > >How about Jersey barriers that seem to ring everything these > >days? > > [Dave] Apparently, the jersey barriers negatively affect > tourism for 2 reasons 1: they're not aesthetically pleasing. > and 2: the name Jersey, which is associated with New Jersey > has it's own, negative connotation... Instead, you could do > as the Capitol, Mondo flower pots with small trees in them - > still tourist friendly, and enough to stop vehicles - > probably more than the jersey walls. > OK, so henceforth, on your way to load up on "Freedom Fries" and "Freedom Onion Soup" or whatever at the House cafeterias, you will pass checkpoints lined with "Florida barriers." Or mebbe we can get schoolkids to paint them with colorful scenes. I agree that right now, it's hardly worth visiting the Capitol as a touristic experience, which is depressing. FWIW, there are new kinder gentler security barriers in the works, with seemingly innocuous and ordinary-looking things like newspaper boxes, lamp-posts, bus shelters and other curbside flotsam acting as hardened barriers. Of course, this is 180-degree opposite of current practice, which is to make things like lamp-posts "soft" so the cager dopes that run into them with surprising frequency won't suffer severe injuries. Lamp-posts are generally designed to snap off under impact. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 13:07:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2II7Qie010454; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:07:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2II7QVn010444; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:07:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:07:08 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: pawilson@XXXXXX, Dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Downtown snarled MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5991D59C.4A998556.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It may not seem worth visiting the Crapitol as a "touristic experience" but, the tourons are still coming. I wish someone would tell them that it wasn't worth it. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/18/2003 12:34:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Yates" > > > and Paul reminded us - > > > > >How about Jersey barriers that seem to ring everything these > > >days? > > > > [Dave] Apparently, the jersey barriers negatively affect > > tourism for 2 reasons 1: they're not aesthetically pleasing. > > and 2: the name Jersey, which is associated with New Jersey > > has it's own, negative connotation... Instead, you could do > > as the Capitol, Mondo flower pots with small trees in them - > > still tourist friendly, and enough to stop vehicles - > > probably more than the jersey walls. > > > OK, so henceforth, on your way to load up on "Freedom Fries" and "Freedom > Onion Soup" or whatever at the House cafeterias, you will pass checkpoints > lined with "Florida barriers." Or mebbe we can get schoolkids to paint them > with colorful scenes. I agree that right now, it's hardly worth visiting > the Capitol as a touristic experience, which is depressing. > > FWIW, there are new kinder gentler security barriers in the works, with > seemingly innocuous and ordinary-looking things like newspaper boxes, > lamp-posts, bus shelters and other curbside flotsam acting as hardened > barriers. Of course, this is 180-degree opposite of current practice, which > is to make things like lamp-posts "soft" so the cager dopes that run into > them with surprising frequency won't suffer severe > injuries. Lamp-posts are > generally designed to snap off under impact. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 13:25:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IIPaie014047; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:25:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IIPZ8G014037; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:25:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0f3601c2ed7c$0dec1ae0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , , References: <5991D59C.4A998556.0C9D3659@aol.com> Subject: Re: Downtown snarled Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:27:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I sorta have a policy of not complaining about the tourists, although I admit they can be a bit annoying. They're the ones that pay for all this stuff around here that we get to enjoy 365 days a year. :) Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Downtown snarled > It may not seem worth visiting the Crapitol as a "touristic experience" but, the tourons are still coming. I wish someone would tell them that it wasn't worth it. ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 14:51:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IJpRie019902; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:51:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IJpP2u019892; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:51:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318195048.82795.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:50:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: LA Chock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: gforeman@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001601c2ed4e$7ce50110$5302a8c0@jcaldwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii la chock makes a great product. if you can find a discount, jump on it.... their products are worth the retail price, imo. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:11:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKBjie026775; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:11:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKBiMF026765; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:11:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.60.40] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SV 650SA Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:59:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 19:59:46.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECD2FA60:01C2ED88] Does anyone have one of these or has anyone heard anything about them? I saw a beauty the other day & really want it. Not to mention I could flat-foot it! :-) Any input of likes, dislikes would be helpful. Thanks. URL here: http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_03/sportstreet/images/sv650sa.jpg - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:18:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKIHie032121; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:18:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKIGAW032109; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:18:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030318151436.021918c8@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:18:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Virginia Drunk Drivers and Speeders Beware Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Warner Signs Tougher DUI Laws for Virginia Tue Mar 18, 8:43 AM ET "(Richmond, Va.) - A new Virginia law is cracking down on drunk drivers. Gov. Mark R. Warner signed a series of bills Monday designed to get tough on drunk drivers by increasing fines, mandating jail terms and providing for the revocation of drivers' licenses. Two of the bills impose minimum mandatory fines starting at $250 for a first time offender and ranging to $1,000 for a third or subsequent conviction. Another bill requires a minimum jail term of five days for the conviction of a drunk driver who has a passenger 17 years old or younger. "Taken together, this package will give Virginia some of the toughest drunk driving laws in the nation," Warner said in a statement. Warner also signed a bill that would allow the suspension of licenses for drivers younger than 21 who are found to have a blood alcohol level of .02 or higher. He also authorized the use of laser detection for local law enforcement in catching speeders. State police have used the technology since 1997. " Sounds just fine to me. As long as none of those lasers catch me. I was happy to see Warner lose the primary seatbelt enforcement action. I wrote to him against it and his filter database replied back after the loss with a "I'm sorry, but we lost this one" message. I don't mind the email filters for issue response calculation - but at least figure out which side of the issue I am on. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:19:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKJCie001672; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:19:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKJCoF001667; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:19:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:19:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200303181519.AA24838570@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 X-Mailer: Sounds good! I probably won't make Saturday - going to be helping set up an Observed Trials in Pennsylvania. Riders, visitors and curious folk welcome! Trials date is 13 April http://mavt.homestead.com/files/Tough03.jpg http://mavt.homestead.com/mavt.html I'll try to make it out Sunday! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:54:39 -0800 (PST) >Several of the guys near here want to get their >licenses this spring, others want to practice riding, >and my boss wants to learn how to get his knee down on >the pavement. > >We're getting together at the commuter parking lot at >Exit 158 of I-95 in Virginia on both Saturday and >Sunday this weekend (March 22 and 23) I'm also >inviting the members of the Ninja 250 list, so it's >possible that there will be a few of them there as >well. > >I plan to do circles (three interlocking 22 foot >circles for tight turn practice) figure 8's (a 50 foot >figure eight for higher speed turning) and will go >over both the Virginia and Maryland motorcycle riding >test. If you just want to hear about and see some of >the practice for the riding test, feel free to come in >a cage. I'm pretty sure we can find a bike for you to >practice with. > >Email me for additional information. Times are still >to be determined, but won't be earlier than 10 AM or >later than 6 PM. > >Disclaimer: This is not an official event of any kind, >no money will change hands, this is just a bunch of >friends getting together to discuss and practice >street riding. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:22:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKMYie008470; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:22:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKMXAR008456; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:22:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:22:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200303181522.AA61407648@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Downtown snarled X-Mailer: So all the terrorists have to do to tie up DC is to park tractors in ponds. Okay. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:05:16 -0500 >I pity anyone driving into downtown DC this morning. Unless you can deploy >your creative lane use skills on a motorcycle. What a mess. All because of >some tractor-driving nutter from NC. And so much for the Park Police and >their vaunted security deployments around the Mall. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:26:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKQWie013681; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:26:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKQV7E013666; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:26:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002d01c2ed8c$f24c82a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , "dc-cycles list" References: <200303181538.ACO25766@ms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Re: Downtown snarled Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hate to keep beating this, but... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > > > > And so much for the Park Police and > >their vaunted security deployments around the Mall. > > [Dave] well, unless you start fencing stuff off with only > checkpoint access, how would they realistically prevent > something like this? > >From an AP story on washingtonpost.com >>The incident began around noon Monday, when a man police identified as Dwight Watson, 50, of Whitakers, N.C., drove his Jeep into the pond pulling a trailer carrying the green John Deere and a motorcycle. He mounted the tractor and drove it off the trailer and into the shallow water.<< So he had time to park, unload this tractor, drive into the pool, before anyone stopped him. Note also the moto content angle. Paul in "the city where the cops will shut down part of town on account of one whack job" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:28:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKS1ie013732; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:28:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKS03r013723; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:28:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318202757.3130.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: SV 650SA To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeannette, The new SV650 (2003 model) has not yet arrived at the dealers as far as I know. They are supposed to arrive soon, I believe. Did you see one at a local dealer? The previous model SV650 (one of which I own along with several other listers) was built between 1999 and 2002 and has a huge cult following. I'm suprised you haven't heard of it. The new model is based on the older model, with the significant changes being fuel injection (vs. the old carbs), new bodywork & guages, and a new injection-molded frame. The engine and suspension are brought over from the previous model. Go to www.svrider.com for more resources or email me. Chris Weaver --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > Does anyone have one of these or has anyone heard > anything about them? > I saw a beauty the other day & really want it. > Not to mention I could flat-foot it! :-) > Any input of likes, dislikes would be helpful. > Thanks. > URL here: > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_03/sportstreet/images/sv650sa.jpg > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:29:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKT8ie017157; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:29:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKT8sG017148; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:29:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: SV 650SA Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:28:00 -0600 Message-ID: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA151469054B8B3E@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: SV 650SA Thread-Index: AcLtjQA2/rz5FmAwSdSYI8YMkamcew== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2IKT7ie017136 SV's are a great motorcycles, fun to ride, cheap to own, and very popular. Check out svrider.com George >>> Jeannette Zell 03/18/03 02:59PM >>> Does anyone have one of these or has anyone heard anything about them? I saw a beauty the other day & really want it. Not to mention I could flat-foot it! :-) Any input of likes, dislikes would be helpful. Thanks. URL here: http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_03/sportstreet/images/sv650sa.jpg - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:29:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKTGie017205; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:29:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKTGO7017200; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:29:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9607EAD476@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles list Subject: Downtown snarled Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:28:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Having driven in the mess this am...All I can think is that a sniper would solve this problem! Jason From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:31:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKVnie020922; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:31:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKVlsZ020907; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:31:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:31:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200303181531.AA14746036@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: "no fault" cable kills biker X-Mailer: Apparently this rider has now died, of a broken neck and severed brain stem. According to the article the investigating trooper said there was "no fault" to this "accident". I don't think he's a motor officer. Woman in ICU after cable knocks her off bike http://www.gosanangelo.com/sast/news_local/article/0,1897,SAST_4956_1811395,00.html By ERIN QUINN, Staff Writer March 14, 2003 A 49-year-old retired nurse is in intensive care after she was clothes-lined from her motorcycle by a telephone cable Thursday morning, Ozona Highway Patrol Trooper Bruce James said. Helen Paladini, 49, of Sierra Vista, Ariz., turned left to head south on Avenue E in Ozona on her 1999 BMW motorcycle. Her husband was on a separate bike in front of her, James said. A fiber-optic cable stretched across the roadway hit Paladini underneath her chin, pulling her off her bike and onto the street. Shannon Medical Center's AirMed1 transported Paladini to Shannon where she remained in intensive care at press time Thursday night. JS Cable Service of San Angelo was stretching the cable across the road. James said the workers were watching the red light in front of them and didn't expect Paladini and her husband to turn left onto Avenue E. The workers also had cones in the roadway, but they ''could've done a little more,'' James said. The trooper did not issue the workers any tickets for the wire and said there really was no fault to the accident. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:35:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKZSie002149; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:35:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKZQsR001251; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:35:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004401c2ed8e$31fd0680$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "dc-cycles list" References: <200303181522.AA61407648@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: Downtown snarled Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:37:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" > So all the terrorists have to do to tie up DC is to park tractors in ponds. > > Okay. > > Chris Norloff > All those anti-IMF protestors couldn't accomplish, with thousands, their vow to "shut down the city" but one nutter on a tractor can. The guy's got to be getting sleepy. Can anyone say "bean bag"? Here's an excerpt from a Marc Fisher column-- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46910-2003Mar18.html "Police say they want to wait out the tractor man because he may have explosives that he could trigger in an instant. But this guy has already been given more than half the time that President Bush granted Saddam Hussein to get out of town. About 100 officers from the Park Police, D.C. police and the FBI have committed untold overtime hours to watching over this fellow and dealing with the traffic mess he created. I, for one, am greatly relieved to know that even during Orange Alert, we can spare 100 law enforcement officers to baby-sit a nut on a tractor." Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:39:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKdIie010620; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:39:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKdE97009290; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:39:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303182038.ACO88812@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:38:47 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Downtown snarled To: dc-cycles list X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris chimed in: >So all the terrorists have to do to tie up DC is to park tractors in ponds. > >Okay. [Dave] not_quite. Terrorists need only call and threaten a jihad... Whack jobs have to go the extra mile to tie up the city with a single tractor in a pond... Just think if said whack job was in a ryder truck... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:42:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKgRie014489; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:42:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKgP9s014474; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:42:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303182042.ACO89660@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:42:18 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Downtown snarled To: dc-cycles list X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ol' Marc's forgettin' that there's quite literally thousands of sworn LE staff in DC at any given moment. What else are they going to do? >Here's an excerpt from a Marc Fisher column-- > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46910- 2003Mar18.html > >"Police say they want to wait out the tractor man because he may have >explosives that he could trigger in an instant. But this guy has already >been given more than half the time that President Bush granted Saddam >Hussein to get out of town. About 100 officers from the Park Police, D.C. >police and the FBI have committed untold overtime hours to watching over >this fellow and dealing with the traffic mess he created. I, for one, am >greatly relieved to know that even during Orange Alert, we can spare 100 law >enforcement officers to baby-sit a nut on a tractor." > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:43:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKhLie014537; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:43:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKhLcV014533; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:43:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9607EAD477@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'Dave Yates'" , dc-cycles list Subject: RE: Downtown snarled Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:42:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" shoot em!!!! of course. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:42 PM To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Downtown snarled Ol' Marc's forgettin' that there's quite literally thousands of sworn LE staff in DC at any given moment. What else are they going to do? >Here's an excerpt from a Marc Fisher column-- > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46910- 2003Mar18.html > >"Police say they want to wait out the tractor man because he may have >explosives that he could trigger in an instant. But this guy has already >been given more than half the time that President Bush granted Saddam >Hussein to get out of town. About 100 officers from the Park Police, D.C. >police and the FBI have committed untold overtime hours to watching over >this fellow and dealing with the traffic mess he created. I, for one, am >greatly relieved to know that even during Orange Alert, we can spare 100 law >enforcement officers to baby-sit a nut on a tractor." > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:49:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKn6ie019753; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:49:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKn2Ae019718; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:49:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318204850.85628.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Virginia Drunk Drivers and Speeders Beware To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030318151436.021918c8@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Warner Signs Tougher DUI Laws for Virginia ... > "Taken together, this package will give Virginia some of the toughest > drunk > driving laws in the nation," Warner said in a statement. if that claim is true then no wonder drunk driving is such an issue. This is a bloody slap on the wrist with a wet noodle. I want to see drunk drivers serve hard time when they commit bodily injury and more to innocent parties. Aren't there minimum prison terms for manslaughter and aggravated/reckless endangerment? ===== "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 15:57:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IKvDie004583; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:57:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IKv587004545; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:57:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.60.40] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV 650SA Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:56:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 20:56:58.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAC88AC0:01C2ED90] Actually, it was a 2002. Tom brought it to my attention after I showed him a pic of a Ducati I was lusting over. I refuse to spend that much on a bike, so he said, "Check this out," thinking that it looked somewhat like the Ducati I was looking at. It did, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper! The one I saw was at [*ducking for cover*] Coleman's, marked down since the 2003s are coming in, I assume... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Chris Weaver >To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: SV 650SA >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) > >Jeannette, > >The new SV650 (2003 model) has not yet arrived at the >dealers as far as I know. They are supposed to arrive >soon, I believe. Did you see one at a local dealer? > >The previous model SV650 (one of which I own along >with several other listers) was built between 1999 and >2002 and has a huge cult following. I'm suprised you >haven't heard of it. > >The new model is based on the older model, with the >significant changes being fuel injection (vs. the old >carbs), new bodywork & guages, and a new >injection-molded frame. The engine and suspension are >brought over from the previous model. > >Go to www.svrider.com for more resources or email me. > >Chris Weaver > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:00:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IL0qie009791; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:00:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IL0oE3009765; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:00:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303182100.ACO94338@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:00:41 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Downtown snarled To: dc-cycles list X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason suggests that they - > >shoot em!!!! of course. > [Dave] When they're done with tractor man, they're return to heavy handed traffic enforcement "FOR THE CHILDREN!" so more power to tractor man ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:04:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IL4nie011594; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:04:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IL4iGY011579; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:04:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7789B6.314D9889@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:03:50 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: "no fault" cable kills biker References: <200303181531.AA14746036@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yehaw! A cable crew in litigious DC would have the whole dang street blocked off, but I've noticed out in the sticks (AZ qualifies) road workers are not as concerned about public safety. In North Cakalaki I had a paving crew shoot a fleet of empty asphalt trucks down a narrow one-lane while me'n a passel of pedal bikers were still coming! The pedel bikers sucked it in and squeezed past, ducking the side mirrors. I took a senic voyage onto the sandy shoulder and bug infested jungle. No fault my skinny a**. The crew had a dangerous situation and wasn't watching out or flagging traffic. I say sue the cable company, rape their behinds! Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > Apparently this rider has now died, of a broken neck and severed brain stem. > > According to the article the investigating trooper said there was "no fault" to this "accident". > > I don't think he's a motor officer. > > Woman in ICU after cable knocks her off bike > By ERIN QUINN, Staff Writer > March 14, 2003 > > A 49-year-old retired nurse is in intensive care after she was clothes-lined from her motorcycle by a telephone cable Thursday morning, Ozona Highway Patrol Trooper Bruce James said. > > Helen Paladini, 49, of Sierra Vista, Ariz., turned left to head south on Avenue E in Ozona on her 1999 BMW motorcycle. Her husband was on a separate bike in front of her, James said. > > A fiber-optic cable stretched across the roadway hit Paladini underneath her chin, pulling her off her bike and onto the street. > > Shannon Medical Center's AirMed1 transported Paladini to Shannon where she remained in intensive care at press time Thursday night. > > JS Cable Service of San Angelo was stretching the cable across the road. James said the workers were watching the red light in front of them and didn't expect Paladini and her husband to turn left onto Avenue E. > > The workers also had cones in the roadway, but they ''could've done a little more,'' James said. > > The trooper did not issue the workers any tickets for the wire and said there really was no fault to the accident. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:06:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IL6aie015118; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:06:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IL6X60015103; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:06:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318210626.90840.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Downtown snarled To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200303182038.ACO88812@ms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Just think if said whack job was in a ryder truck... and protesting higher diesel prices which is a very ligitimate concern of the trucking industry for several years now. The guy would probably be riddled with bullets before he had a chance to open the roll-up door more than a few inches. Frankly I don't get the "explosives" non-sense. Where the heck are you going to stuff bombs on a tractor. And one apparently small enough that a Jeep could tow it on a flat-bed? So what if it goes boom. All you'll see is a lot of water go flying. DC = HYPE. The more outlandish and farfetched, the more the locals will believe it. baaaaaahh indeed. ===== "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:21:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ILLjie030720; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:21:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ILLjoX030710; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:21:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E778DB3.4F50388F@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:20:51 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Drunk Drivers and Speeders Beware References: <20030318204850.85628.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: > > Warner Signs Tougher DUI Laws for Virginia > ... > > "Taken together, this package will give Virginia some of the toughest > > drunk > > driving laws in the nation," Warner said in a statement. > > if that claim is true then no wonder drunk driving is such an issue. > This is a bloody slap on the wrist with a wet noodle. I want to see > drunk drivers serve hard time when they commit bodily injury and more > to innocent parties. Aren't there minimum prison terms for manslaughter > and aggravated/reckless endangerment? Yeah, jail time. A few years ago a lady lawyer who was drunk on her butt left the road and squished a 15 year old girl and then left the scene. Much whimpering about her drinking problem and I'm so so sorry. The judge tosses her in the slammer for a year, but wait! Miss Lawyer Lady got herself knocked up while awaiting trial! Early release to squirt out her bastard child. And the old geeze who squashed my Hawg and beat me to a bloody pulp got a $25 fine for failure to yield. Is that fair? I think the fine should be equal to the total repair estimate, vehicle and medical. His insurance paid that but he'd have to cough up the damage matching fine - like 25K. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:23:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ILNKie032521; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:23:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ILNKn0032511; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:23:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: gingerdc9@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV 650SA Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:11:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 21:11:34.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4846280:01C2ED92] Coleman's has a '02. I just bought one that looks just like it from Champion. The photo you linked is a '03. >From: "Jeannette Zell" >To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: SV 650SA >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:56:58 -0500 > >Actually, it was a 2002. >Tom brought it to my attention after I showed him a pic of a Ducati I was >lusting over. I refuse to spend that much on a bike, so he said, "Check >this out," thinking that it looked somewhat like the Ducati I was looking >at. It did, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper! >The one I saw was at [*ducking for cover*] Coleman's, marked down since the >2003s are coming in, I assume... > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > >>From: Chris Weaver >>To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: SV 650SA >>Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) >> >>Jeannette, >> >>The new SV650 (2003 model) has not yet arrived at the >>dealers as far as I know. They are supposed to arrive >>soon, I believe. Did you see one at a local dealer? >> >>The previous model SV650 (one of which I own along >>with several other listers) was built between 1999 and >>2002 and has a huge cult following. I'm suprised you >>haven't heard of it. >> >>The new model is based on the older model, with the >>significant changes being fuel injection (vs. the old >>carbs), new bodywork & guages, and a new >>injection-molded frame. The engine and suspension are >>brought over from the previous model. >> >>Go to www.svrider.com for more resources or email me. >> >>Chris Weaver >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:31:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ILVCie008832; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:31:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ILVCCa008824; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:31:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303182130.ACP01109@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:30:44 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Virginia Drunk Drivers and Speeders Beware To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While at times I get some negative vibes from the MADD types, I just don't understand why it is socially acceptable to pilot ANY motor vehicle on ANY public roadway, while intoxicated, or as my retired cop friend says - "with a buzz" It's just not f*cking funny ( and yes, he proudly confessed ot driving home with a buzz, and his miscreant wife proudly proclaimed "he'd get a ride home & pat on the back by showing his [retired cop] badge"... ) His profession is irrelevant, and upon thinking about it, a lot of my friends have done this, ribbed me for being a stick in the mud by refusing to drink and drive... It's all no big deal until someone you know gets whacked by a drunk driver... Dave >matthew patton wrote: > >> > Warner Signs Tougher DUI Laws for Virginia >> ... >> > "Taken together, this package will give Virginia some of the toughest >> > drunk >> > driving laws in the nation," Warner said in a statement. >> >> if that claim is true then no wonder drunk driving is such an issue. >> This is a bloody slap on the wrist with a wet noodle. I want to see >> drunk drivers serve hard time when they commit bodily injury and more >> to innocent parties. Aren't there minimum prison terms for manslaughter >> and aggravated/reckless endangerment? > >Yeah, jail time. A few years ago a lady lawyer who was drunk on her butt left the >road and squished a 15 year old girl and then left the scene. Much whimpering about >her drinking problem and I'm so so sorry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:39:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ILd7ie014113; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:39:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ILd6u8014103; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:39:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318213904.59311.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Riding to Cincinati To: "William J. Huson" , matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E778DB3.4F50388F@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, if I take the route Yahoo recommends, it'll be about 530 miles and take 8 hours and 10 minutes (in a car). However, that route has me going 270 to 70 to the PA Turnpike etc. Major highways the whole way. This does not strike me as being the most exciting route. Alternatively, I could take 50 the whole way from DC (or from some point in NVa). Does anyone know if this would be a good ride and/or how much time this would add to the trip? Any reason I should or shouldn't take 50? thx jib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:39:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ILdZie016121; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:39:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ILdYiK016115; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:39:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.60.40] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: richallmc@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV 650SA Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:27:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 21:27:47.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[38CA5790:01C2ED95] Yeah, the '02 is the one, the silver one that I saw. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "rich hall" >To: gingerdc9@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: SV 650SA >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:11:34 -0500 > >Coleman's has a '02. I just bought one that looks just like it from >Champion. The photo you linked is a '03. > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:46:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ILkPie023160; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:46:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ILkOe2023151; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:46:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318214620.8228.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:46:20 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: SV 650SA To: Jeannette Zell , dccyles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeannette, I have a 2001 SV (the naked one), and love it. It has more zip than a comparable ducati, and is certainly more affordable to buy and maintain. If you want, I could let you check mine out at some point. Also, I got a great deal on mine from Romney Cycles in West Virginia. They undercut the lowest price I received in the NOVA area by $800.00. This was without haggling, it was the price advertised on their website. Keith --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > Actually, it was a 2002. > Tom brought it to my attention after I showed him a > pic of a Ducati I was > lusting over. I refuse to spend that much on a bike, > so he said, "Check this > out," thinking that it looked somewhat like the > Ducati I was looking at. It > did, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper! > The one I saw was at [*ducking for cover*] > Coleman's, marked down since the > 2003s are coming in, I assume... > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > >From: Chris Weaver > >To: Jeannette Zell , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: SV 650SA > >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) > > > >Jeannette, > > > >The new SV650 (2003 model) has not yet arrived at > the > >dealers as far as I know. They are supposed to > arrive > >soon, I believe. Did you see one at a local dealer? > > > >The previous model SV650 (one of which I own along > >with several other listers) was built between 1999 > and > >2002 and has a huge cult following. I'm suprised > you > >haven't heard of it. > > > >The new model is based on the older model, with the > >significant changes being fuel injection (vs. the > old > >carbs), new bodywork & guages, and a new > >injection-molded frame. The engine and suspension > are > >brought over from the previous model. > > > >Go to www.svrider.com for more resources or email > me. > > > >Chris Weaver > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:47:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ILluie024965; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:47:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ILlu3d024961; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:47:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: gingerdc9@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV 650SA Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:47:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 21:47:48.0924 (UTC) FILETIME=[04AFD7C0:01C2ED98] I'm not sure where you got the "A" from? It's just a SV650S as far as I know. >From: "Jeannette Zell" >To: richallmc@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: SV 650SA >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:27:47 -0500 > >Yeah, the '02 is the one, the silver one that I saw. >MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > >>From: "rich hall" >>To: gingerdc9@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: SV 650SA >>Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:11:34 -0500 >> >>Coleman's has a '02. I just bought one that looks just like it from >>Champion. The photo you linked is a '03. >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:54:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ILs4ie029464; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:54:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ILs4LW029437; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:54:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: keithlva@XXXXXX, gingerdc9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV650S Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:53:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 21:53:56.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFEF0270:01C2ED98] I bought the last silver one from Champion. Someone else picked up their last blue one same weekend. Romney had none left. Coleman's has the silver one, saw it when picking up my $1 off of the show last weekend. Loudon had a blue one 2 weeks ago when I was calling around. They were willing to beat Coleman's price, but at first told me to buy it whereever I could get that price. >From: Keith Lamond >To: Jeannette Zell , dccyles > >Subject: Re: SV 650SA >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:46:20 -0800 (PST) > >Jeannette, > >I have a 2001 SV (the naked one), and love it. It has >more zip than a comparable ducati, and is certainly >more affordable to buy and maintain. > >If you want, I could let you check mine out at some >point. > >Also, I got a great deal on mine from Romney Cycles in >West Virginia. They undercut the lowest price I >received in the NOVA area by $800.00. This was >without haggling, it was the price advertised on their >website. > >Keith >--- Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Actually, it was a 2002. > > Tom brought it to my attention after I showed him a > > pic of a Ducati I was > > lusting over. I refuse to spend that much on a bike, > > so he said, "Check this > > out," thinking that it looked somewhat like the > > Ducati I was looking at. It > > did, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper! > > The one I saw was at [*ducking for cover*] > > Coleman's, marked down since the > > 2003s are coming in, I assume... > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > >From: Chris Weaver > > >To: Jeannette Zell , > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Re: SV 650SA > > >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Jeannette, > > > > > >The new SV650 (2003 model) has not yet arrived at > > the > > >dealers as far as I know. They are supposed to > > arrive > > >soon, I believe. Did you see one at a local dealer? > > > > > >The previous model SV650 (one of which I own along > > >with several other listers) was built between 1999 > > and > > >2002 and has a huge cult following. I'm suprised > > you > > >haven't heard of it. > > > > > >The new model is based on the older model, with the > > >significant changes being fuel injection (vs. the > > old > > >carbs), new bodywork & guages, and a new > > >injection-molded frame. The engine and suspension > > are > > >brought over from the previous model. > > > > > >Go to www.svrider.com for more resources or email > > me. > > > > > >Chris Weaver > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months > > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 16:58:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ILwIie006641; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:58:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ILwIaU006631; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:58:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <27.3c3cd6b7.2ba8f074@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:58:12 EST Subject: Re: Virginia Drunk Drivers and Speeders Beware To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/18/2003 4:31:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > a > lot of my friends have done this, ribbed me for being a stick > in the mud by refusing to drink and drive... I guess that make me a muddy stick also. If I "need" a beer to drink with my pizza, I just order whatever NA is available and if they do not carry one I bitch. There is no excuse for a restaurant/bar not keeping a six pack of NA available, if it doesnt sell so what? they are out a buck or two and if it does they have the profit. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 17:33:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IMX4ie015633; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:33:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2IMX4nP015625; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:33:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017e01c2ed9e$a0b61b60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Isaac Blanck" Cc: References: <20030318213904.59311.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Riding to Cincinati Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:35:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I think you'll be happy with Rt. 50. It's a pretty good motorcycle route. Fast enough to get you there, but not as boring (or choked with 18-wheelers) as the I-slab. There are four-lane stretches in WV and OH that move along, and enough two-lane mountain "twisties" to keep things interesting. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Blanck" To: "William J. Huson" ; "matthew patton" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: Riding to Cincinati > OK, if I take the route Yahoo recommends, it'll be > about 530 miles and take 8 hours and 10 minutes (in a > car). However, that route has me going 270 to 70 to > the PA Turnpike etc. Major highways the whole way. > This does not strike me as being the most exciting > route. Alternatively, I could take 50 the whole way > from DC (or from some point in NVa). Does anyone know > if this would be a good ride and/or how much time this > would add to the trip? Any reason I should or > shouldn't take 50? thx jib From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 18:34:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2INYAie021223; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:34:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2INY9OG021213; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:34:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318233402.7312.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:34:02 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Virginia Drunk Drivers and Speeders Beware To: "William J. Huson" , matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E778DB3.4F50388F@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: >> Yeah, jail time. A few years ago a lady lawyer who > was drunk on her butt left the > road and squished a 15 year old girl and then left > the scene. Much whimpering about > her drinking problem and I'm so so sorry. The > judge tosses her in the slammer for a > year, but wait! Miss Lawyer Lady got herself > knocked up while awaiting trial! Early > release to squirt out her bastard child. Even worse than that. Her year in jail was weekends only, in junior jail. More like day camp. Wear your own clothes. Eat decent food, cokes and candy machines, get to walk around pretty much where you want, etc. etc. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 18:38:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2INcBie023048; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:38:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2INcAF8023038; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:38:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030318233803.6586.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:38:03 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Virginia Drunk Drivers and Speeders Beware To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200303182130.ACP01109@ms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > and his miscreant wife > proudly > proclaimed "he'd get a ride home & pat on the back > by showing > his [retired cop] badge"... ) > As a former cop he should know better than anyone else. Dunno where your buddy lives, but around here there is a real good chance he would get locked up anyway. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 20:07:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2J17aie006103; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:07:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2J17Z62006093; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:07:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:05:58 -0500 From: Randy Moran Subject: Re: SV 650SA In-reply-to: To: Jeannette Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Jeanette, I have a 2000 SV that you can ride if you'd like. I looks like the blue one pictured: http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/bp_sv650.htm I had been thinking about selling it, but I'm leaning toward keeping it for the commute. I'm learning quickly that the RC51 is less than optimal for the daily grind. Anyway, you're welcome to take it for a spin. I've owned two SV's thus far, and I don't have anything bad to say about them. They truly must be one of the greatest motorcycling bargains of all time, a brilliant do-it-all machine that manages to be fun for both novice and experienced rider alike. They also make a hellacious racer or trackday machine, if one is so-inclined. Randy Moran On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 02:59 PM, Jeannette Zell wrote: > Does anyone have one of these or has anyone heard anything about them? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 18 20:25:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2J1PMie008007; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:25:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2J1PLUo007997; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:25:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <027e01c2edb6$5b680650$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Jeannette Zell" , , , References: Subject: Re: SV 650SA Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:24:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 If you go to http://www.cadcycles.com they have a used one for sale, or at least they did. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannette Zell" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:27 PM Subject: Re: SV 650SA > Yeah, the '02 is the one, the silver one that I saw. > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > >From: "rich hall" > >To: gingerdc9@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: SV 650SA > >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:11:34 -0500 > > > >Coleman's has a '02. I just bought one that looks just like it from > >Champion. The photo you linked is a '03. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 08:24:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JDOfie021924; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:24:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JDObRs021912; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:24:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030319132429.64444.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:24:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Shameless Plug - MD2020 Registration Reminder To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't remember if I mentioned this before, so wanted to send out a note about this year's Mason Dixon Rally. We've had several DC-Cycles members participate in the rally over the past few years. In addition, defending MD2020 Champion, Don Arthur has graciously volunteered to coach a small group of riders who are true long distance rally rookies and would like to learn how to balance scoring, distance, and above all, time. These riders will be entered in the 24+ event. I've heard that Lori Kobayashi may be helping out with this group as well. And there will be several other familiar faces (or at least names, if you don't know the faces) this year. We added two new rallybubbas this year, both have been active in DC-Cycles events at one time or another. Registration for the 2003 Mason Dixon 20-20, "Seeking Higher Ground", closes on April 15. That's about four weeks. Benefits the Johns Hopkins Children's Center. Here are some details: Where: York, PA When: May 23-25 How: 2 classes this year- 24+class- open to all riders, no photo boni, $80 solo, $155 2-ups. 48 class- open to "experienced" riders, photo bonus rally, $100 solo, $190 2-ups. Consider this an excellent refresher for the IBR later in the summer, or a different type of rally for those who haven't done photo bonus rallies yet. Trophies for the top 5 finishers in each class as well as those coveted special awards. More information, including a full schedule at http://www.MasonDixon20-20.org Any questions, feel free to drop me a line. Hope to see you in May if not sooner, Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 09:18:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JEIYie027760; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:18:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JEIWHl027750; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:18:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.60.40] X-Originating-Email: [gingerdc9@XXXXXX] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: rjmoran@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV 650SA Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:18:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 14:18:25.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[67D9F030:01C2EE22] Wow, thanks, that's very sweet of you! ...and with that great reference I think I'll definitely have to get the bike. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Randy Moran >To: Jeannette Zell >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: SV 650SA >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:05:58 -0500 > >Jeanette, I have a 2000 SV that you can ride if you'd like. I looks like >the blue one pictured: > >http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/bp_sv650.htm > >I had been thinking about selling it, but I'm leaning toward keeping it for >the commute. I'm learning quickly that the RC51 is less than optimal for >the daily grind. Anyway, you're welcome to take it for a spin. I've owned >two SV's thus far, and I don't have anything bad to say about them. They >truly must be one of the greatest motorcycling bargains of all time, a >brilliant do-it-all machine that manages to be fun for both novice and >experienced rider alike. They also make a hellacious racer or trackday >machine, if one is so-inclined. > >Randy Moran > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 09:44:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JEi8ie031457; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:44:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JEi7PB031444; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:44:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: M St Parking Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:32:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 14:32:19.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[59068CB0:01C2EE24] The web site parking list says there are 24 spots on the 1800 block of M St NW. As the 31 spots on the 1700 block are under construction, I was hoping to park on the 1800 block this morning. I didn't see any MC parking on that block, do they exist? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 09:45:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JEjmie002823; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:45:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JEjlX2002811; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:45:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:45:34 -0500 From: Jpr2586@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SV STUFF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <449F46A9.70E055DF.00183101@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit jeanette my name is shane, we have met. i am robs buddy. i have a 2001 svs and absolutely love it. actually thomas took it around the block before i did any mods to it. i would reccomend this bike to anybody! its great, comfortable, quick, agile, and so easy to build up it amazing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 09:50:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JEo4ie008436; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:50:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JEo3IJ008428; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:50:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E78830E.3C794625@tasam.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:47:42 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: ZRX question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm thinking of getting a ZRX1200. how comfortable are they for longer rides? Much wind buffeting? Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 09:56:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JEuWie014068; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:56:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JEuWte014057; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:56:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.60.40] X-Originating-Email: [gingerdc9@XXXXXX] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: Jpr2586@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV STUFF Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:56:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 14:56:25.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[B69134E0:01C2EE27] Yeah, Tom mentioned your bike, actually. :-) How are you? Long time no see... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Jpr2586@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: SV STUFF >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:45:34 -0500 > >jeanette >my name is shane, we have met. i am robs buddy. i have a 2001 svs and >absolutely love it. actually thomas took it around the block before i did >any mods to it. i would reccomend this bike to anybody! its great, >comfortable, quick, agile, and so easy to build up it amazing. > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 10:03:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JF3Vie017738; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:03:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JF3Vld017726; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:03:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319100137.021a1518@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:03:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: M St Parking In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:32 AM 3/19/2003, rich hall wrote: >The web site parking list says there are 24 spots on the 1800 block of M >St NW. As the 31 spots on the 1700 block are under construction, I was >hoping to park on the 1800 block this morning. I didn't see any MC >parking on that block, do they exist? Sounds like a 1 block typo. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 10:06:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JF6Cie021364; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:06:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JF6CuL021349; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:06:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M St Parking Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:06:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 15:06:06.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[10A60220:01C2EE29] Saying it's on 1900 or 1600 block? 1700 block is listed. >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: M St Parking >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:03:27 -0500 > >At 09:32 AM 3/19/2003, rich hall wrote: >>The web site parking list says there are 24 spots on the 1800 block of M >>St NW. As the 31 spots on the 1700 block are under construction, I was >>hoping to park on the 1800 block this morning. I didn't see any MC >>parking on that block, do they exist? > >Sounds like a 1 block typo. > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 10:20:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JFKpie028624; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:20:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JFKpeW028614; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:20:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319102021.0219e240@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:20:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: M St Parking In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Saying the 31 on 1800 are probably the 24 on 1700. At 10:06 AM 3/19/2003, you wrote: >Saying it's on 1900 or 1600 block? 1700 block is listed. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 10:55:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JFtKie032483; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JFtJxj032473; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030319155345.48826.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:53:45 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Virginia Drunk Drivers and Speeders Beware To: Todd Withrow , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030318233803.6586.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Todd, you forgot the smilie. Leon. --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > As a former cop he should know better than anyone > else. Dunno where your buddy lives, but around here > there is a real good chance he would get locked up > anyway. > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > and his miscreant wife > > proudly > > proclaimed "he'd get a ride home & pat on the back > > by showing > > his [retired cop] badge"... ) > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 11:02:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JG2Lie001959; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:02:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JG2LBP001944; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:02:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Shots fired Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:02:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303191102280A.06541@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.drudgereport.com Click on the top link. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 11:13:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JGDPie009391; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:13:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JGDOZB009381; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:13:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319111048.021968f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:13:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Shots fired / Saturday Expo In-Reply-To: <0303191102280A.06541@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:02 AM 3/19/2003, Carl Schelin wrote: >http://www.drudgereport.com Link was up last night :-o If you want speedy info, check out TotalFark (www.fark.com). The only thing faster is a raw AP feed. I will be bringing a fairly large contingent of bikers and biker used-to-bes to the MC show in Chantilly Saturday. Everyone is riding of course. Hope to see some familiar faces in the crowd. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 11:26:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JGQjie014881; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:26:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JGQiFQ014874; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:26:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030319162641.22780.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:26:41 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Riding to Cincinati To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <017e01c2ed9e$a0b61b60$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks to everyone for their Cincy responses. I think I will try 50 the whole way out, and perhaps come back on the 68/70/270 route. Should be fun. jib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 11:52:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JGqnie018576; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:52:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JGqnFe018566; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:52:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319115147.02195fd0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:52:47 -0500 To: Carl Schelin From: Troutman Subject: Re: Shots fired / Saturday Expo Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0303191120290D.06541@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319111048.021968f0@mail.troutman.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030319111048.021968f0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That is a pretty good idea. We should plan something in the area - like Anitas near Fast Lanes at 1:30pm. Or Bob Evans across the street (Rt.50/28). At 11:20 AM 3/19/2003, you wrote: >I intend on being there. Are you planning a meeting place? Maybe a dc-cycles >lunch on Saturday? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 12:07:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JH7Oie022294; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:07:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JH7OrN022284; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:07:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shots fired / Saturday Expo Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:03:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319111048.021968f0@mail.troutman.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030319115147.02195fd0@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319115147.02195fd0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03031912035800.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 19 March 2003 11:52, Troutman wrote: > That is a pretty good idea. We should plan something in the area - like > Anitas near Fast Lanes at 1:30pm. Or Bob Evans across the street > (Rt.50/28). > > At 11:20 AM 3/19/2003, you wrote: > >I intend on being there. Are you planning a meeting place? Maybe a > > dc-cycles lunch on Saturday? > That would work. My wife hasn't been to a real Anita's yet. We went to the one in Falls Church or Fairfax and we were disappointed. Count me in. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 13:26:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JIQDie026401; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:26:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JIQCpk026391; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:26:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Expo Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:26:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 18:26:04.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[0097FCF0:01C2EE45] How long would you guys that have been to the show before allow for it? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 13:52:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JIqoie032206; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:52:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JIqnoO032196; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:52:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Expo Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:49:23 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03031913492308.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 19 March 2003 13:26, rich hall wrote: > How long would you guys that have been to the show before allow for it? > All day. And Sunday too. (No, I don't normally go to shows; even computer shows, which is my business so I'm just being a smart-ass. Pay no attention to me :-) > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* And get SPAM you can't filter out (well, it's difficult from what I've heard but I use Yahoo so again, I'm just being a smart-ass.) OBJMoto: Approaching 14th street bridge while going home last night, I almost got taken out by someone who squirted into the small space in front of me going under the L'Enfant overpass. Then going over the bridge, some Volvo dickhead flipped out his breath-mint (cig-butt) for which I flipped him off. I'm sure he's still trying to figure that one out. _Then_ as I pass the Pentagon on-ramp just before the last 395 offramp before HOV, two cars and a truck were fighting over who would get into the left lane first. Unfortunately I had just slid into the left lane and felt my heart leap as I slowed down quickly. The two cars fell over themselves staying in the right lane. The truck (an old beat-up chevy with New Mexico plates) just calmly changed lanes either ignoring me or just expecting me to handle it. __Then__ this morning, all the nearsighted geezers decided to inflict a 1 mile backup at Woodbridge to read the overhead sign. Fortunately it didn't affect my ride down HOV. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 13:57:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JIvBie001717; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:57:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JIvBgE001709; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:57:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] X-Originating-Email: [robkeiser@XXXXXX] From: "Rob Keiser" To: richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Expo Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:45:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 18:45:30.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[B75ADFF0:01C2EE47] Maybe two hours....all depends on how many bikes you climb on and take pictures of. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Expo Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:26:04 -0500 How long would you guys that have been to the show before allow for it? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 13:57:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JIvZie001767; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:57:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JIvZPp001761; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:57:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: test rides Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:57:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 18:57:28.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[62FB39D0:01C2EE49] Speaking of climbing on bikes, I learned while I was picking up the SVS that Champion will let you test ride their used bikes. Sales guy said you have to sign a waiver that discourages most. >From: "Rob Keiser" >To: richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Saturday Expo >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:45:29 -0500 > >Maybe two hours....all depends on how many bikes you climb on and take >pictures of. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 14:00:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JJ0Oie007412; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:00:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JJ0Nh1007401; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:00:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030319190006.84529.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:00:06 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: test rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- rich hall wrote: > Speaking of climbing on bikes, I learned while I was picking up the > SVS that > Champion will let you test ride their used bikes. as does Manassas Honda. MFI should as well. It's only the dealers-that-we-dare-not-mention that are idiots about it. ===== "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 14:23:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JJN2ie014817; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:23:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JJN2ro014807; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:23:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7d.3685cf6d.2baa1d7f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:22:39 EST Subject: Re: Saturday Expo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/19/2003 1:53:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Then... > _Then_... > _Then_... So.... A normal ride home eh? The big advantage to wearing a full face helmet around here is the morons cannot see my lips move, they *might* be offended #:-} > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 14:30:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JJUjie016705; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:30:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JJUgga016690; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:30:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: test rides In-reply-to: <20030319190006.84529.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, matthew patton wrote: > --- rich hall wrote: > > Speaking of climbing on bikes, I learned while I was picking up the > > SVS that > > Champion will let you test ride their used bikes. > > as does Manassas Honda. MFI should as well. It's only the > dealers-that-we-dare-not-mention that are idiots about it. What about new bikes? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 14:32:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JJWlie020336; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:32:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JJWlA6020331; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:32:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Expo Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:29:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <7d.3685cf6d.2baa1d7f@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <7d.3685cf6d.2baa1d7f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303191429180C.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 19 March 2003 14:22, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/19/2003 1:53:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > Then... > > _Then_... > > _Then_... > > So.... A normal ride home eh? > Actually, since I get in and leave early, the typical traffic is fairly light and easy. Mainly keeping out of the left lane (if I'm camping, I'll keep an eye behind me and slide if someone approaches) and watching my speed. > The big advantage to wearing a full face helmet around here is the morons > cannot see my lips move, they *might* be offended #:-} > > Last night I wore my half-helm to the park in Quantico. I'd forgotten how fricking loud it is. Fortunately I had my plugs for the ride back up the freeway. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 14:52:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JJq0ie025861; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:52:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JJq0Ve025849; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:52:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030319195122.48211.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:51:22 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: test rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > What about new bikes? heh, you had to ask... Bob's and Morton BMW's will as will Whit's HD/Buell in Manassas no strings attached. As will Winchester Motorsports for Duc/Tri/Guzzi etc. Having not bought a new bike in the local capital region I can't say for sure but my talk with local sales staff says Cyclesport Alexandria, Champion, the Kawi dealer in Herndon, Loudoun Motorsports (big maybe), Manassas Honda, and MFI will likely let you do so if you're really, really, serious about buying and not just kicking tires. I'm sure having a class M and riding into the dealership on a cared-for bike could grease the skids. Being an MSF instructor also helps the conversation, too. It all depends on your conversation with the salesdroid. Oh and Shanandoah Honda likely as well. If you walk in and you're prepared to buy and you have it down to 2 or 3 models at most (helps if the same dealer happens to have all three) and need to make a determination before plunking down the plastic, you won't have too much of a fight on your hands. Dealer mood may also be affected by the phase of the moon, his sales targets, his opinion of you, the bike in question, etc. I seriously doubt he'd let a CBR out the door but a Concourse or a ZR-7 or a W650 or bandit 600, probably not much problem. So in other words, unlike the car biz where you can drive whatever you want however much you want, the bike biz doesn't work like that for the most part. Find a used bike of the model you want or beg/plead somebody you know who has one to let you ride theirs. ===== "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 14:59:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JJxJie031310; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:59:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JJxJku031302; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:59:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: test rides Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:59:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 19:59:12.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[02E5D1A0:01C2EE52] The dealer gave a guy 10 minutes on a bike, he came back well after a 1/2 hour. Asked to ride something else, dealer told him no. Dealer wasn't thrilled when the guy rode up on a dirt bike either. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 15:05:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JK54ie000782; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:05:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JK54AL000772; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:05:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:03:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: test rides In-reply-to: <20030319195122.48211.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, matthew patton wrote: > > > What about new bikes? > > heh, you had to ask... Bob's and Morton BMW's will as will Whit's I have it on good word that you can get a loaner when you take your bike in for service too... ;-) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 15:13:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JKDmie006306; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:13:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JKDjgl006291; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:13:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: I have a positive thing to say about Coleman's in Falls Church (!) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:13:38 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409328@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: test rides Thread-Index: AcLuUR7HjKKTbJcFTby+lvqIQx8n7QAAYFqA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2JKDiie006274 > heh, you had to ask... Bob's and Morton BMW's will as will Whit's > HD/Buell in Manassas no strings attached. As will Winchester > Motorsports for Duc/Tri/Guzzi etc. Having not bought a new bike in the > local capital region I can't say for sure but my talk with local sales > staff says Cyclesport Alexandria, Champion, the Kawi dealer > in Herndon, > Loudoun Motorsports (big maybe), Manassas Honda, and MFI will likely > let you do so if you're really, really, serious about buying and not > just kicking tires. At Laudon Motorsports, they actually have big "DO NOT SIT, ASK FOR SALESMAN" signs on most bikes I am interested in. I find this both amusing and a little ridiculous. At least at Coleman's, I never have a problem sitting on any bike I want, for as long as I want, rocking it back and fourth, leaning left and right, etc. Usually, the salesmen don't bother me one bit, although sometimes they are trying to make their pitch. Witold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 15:20:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JKKCie010183; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:20:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JKKB7N010173; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:20:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:20:00 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M St Parking MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0711FC86.18D852F8.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry but, that list is slightly out of date and no one has gone around riding to update it. Scooter In a message dated 3/19/2003 9:32:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > > > The web site parking list says there are 24 spots on the 1800 block of M St > NW. As the 31 spots on the 1700 block are under construction, I was hoping > to park on the 1800 block this morning. I didn't see any MC parking on that > block, do they exist? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 15:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JKMUie012054; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:22:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JKMUqG012041; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:22:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319151838.02361da8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:22:21 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: I have a positive thing to say about Coleman's in Falls Church (!) In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409328@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:13 PM 3/19/2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >At Laudon Motorsports, they actually have big "DO NOT SIT, ASK FOR >SALESMAN" signs on most bikes I am interested in. I find this both >amusing and a little ridiculous. So - when you sit on the bike and scratch up the tank, should the dealer pay to fix it before the next guy buys it? Or if you are rocking it back and forth and drop it scratching the plastics - who is going to pay? I can understand them not wanting you to sit on the bikes unsupervised. Of course, I wish they had test rides for every model, but they don't. I can understand the liability there too. >__________________________________________ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 15:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JKT5ie019308; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:29:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JKT5pG019296; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:29:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: I have a positive thing to say about Coleman's in Falls Church (!) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E903B@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I have a positive thing to say about Coleman's in Falls Church (!) Thread-Index: AcLuVWtdHk2mprN0TTWv1rvFLF+7dQAADeeg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2JKT3ie019284 > So - when you sit on the bike and scratch up the tank, should > the dealer > pay to fix it before the next guy buys it? Or if you are > rocking it back > and forth and drop it scratching the plastics - who is going > to pay? I can > understand them not wanting you to sit on the bikes unsupervised. Of > course, I wish they had test rides for every model, but they > don't. I can > understand the liability there too. I just wanted to let everyone know that if you just want to sit on different bikes, Coleman's is very lenient. As for liability issues, I don't know who should be - or is - liable. I thought that dealers had insurance against showroom blunders. -Witold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 15:49:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JKnLie023039; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:49:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JKnJmf023024; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:49:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F1451575C@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'thelostshark@XXXXXX'" Subject: Riding to Cincinnati Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:51:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Isaac Blanck believed, " Alternatively, I could take 50 the whole way from DC (or from some point in NVa). Does anyone know f this would be a good ride and/or how much time this would add to the trip? Any reason I should or shouldn't take 50?" Rt. 50 through VA is good. The switch back at Macomber is cute -- but -- not when it's sleeting. If you're in a hurry I-68 ain't bad. Rt. 50 Clarksburg to Parkersburg has nice sweepers but beware, W(BG)V's finest have a barracks along that route. Rt. 32 to Cincci is pretty. If you're adventurous, Rt 7 out of Morgantown to Duffy OH, is nice (mostly in twisty valleys but some ridges). Across the river, pop up 255, to 800, then left on rt 26 into Marietta, OH. >From Marietta Oh, Oh Oh, Either 550 to 555. Drive up 555 to where it hits 37 and reverse to 78. (You'll either thank me or curse me) OR: Out Rt 60 to 78. Right on 555 to where it hits 37 and reverse to 78. Then: Right on 78 Left on 33 Left on 278 and continue until it hits 50. Enjoy. Carl in Bethesda Downtown snarled: I belive he was just trying to celebrate Saint Patty's by driving a green tractor into a green pond. When caught, the farm story was the best story he could concoct at the moment. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 15:52:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JKq8ie026597; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:52:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JKq8Dv026588; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:52:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E78D7F8.9D02A4A2@tasam.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:50:00 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: OT: Good shirt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/tshirt.php?sku=a137 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 17:08:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JM82ie002050; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:08:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JM823n002040; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:08:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:23:04 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Sitting on bike (was re: blah...) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319151838.02361da8@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Troutman wrote: > At 03:13 PM 3/19/2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > >At Laudon Motorsports, they actually have big "DO NOT SIT, ASK FOR > >SALESMAN" signs on most bikes I am interested in. I find this both > >amusing and a little ridiculous. > > So - when you sit on the bike and scratch up the tank, should the dealer > pay to fix it before the next guy buys it? Or if you are rocking it back > and forth and drop it scratching the plastics - who is going to pay? I can > understand them not wanting you to sit on the bikes unsupervised. Of > course, I wish they had test rides for every model, but they don't. I can > understand the liability there too. Twigg's in Hagerstown puts tank protectors on, as well as protectors on the tail where most of the non riding idiots scuff their shoes on the bodywork of the sportbikes :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 17:33:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JMX1ie005905; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:33:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JMX0rF005895; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:33:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] X-Originating-Email: [robkeiser@XXXXXX] From: "Rob Keiser" To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sitting on bike (was re: blah...) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:21:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 22:21:30.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[E41FC4B0:01C2EE65] Nice store up there. They did the valves on my VFR two years ago. New, clean, and friendly. (and a Cracker Barrel not too far away!) Rob aka Tape '98 VFR800 From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Sitting on bike (was re: blah...) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:23:04 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Troutman wrote: > At 03:13 PM 3/19/2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > >At Laudon Motorsports, they actually have big "DO NOT SIT, ASK FOR > >SALESMAN" signs on most bikes I am interested in. I find this both > >amusing and a little ridiculous. > > So - when you sit on the bike and scratch up the tank, should the dealer > pay to fix it before the next guy buys it? Or if you are rocking it back > and forth and drop it scratching the plastics - who is going to pay? I can > understand them not wanting you to sit on the bikes unsupervised. Of > course, I wish they had test rides for every model, but they don't. I can > understand the liability there too. Twigg's in Hagerstown puts tank protectors on, as well as protectors on the tail where most of the non riding idiots scuff their shoes on the bodywork of the sportbikes :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 18:11:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JNBUie009741; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:11:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JNBSaC009731; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:11:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I have a positive thing to say about Coleman's in Falls Church (!) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:11:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 23:11:21.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAF96010:01C2EE6C] When I was looking at the '02 SVS at Coleman's the sales guy (Brad) never once tried any pressure. I expected to here how it was last years model and was marked down so much it wouldn't be there next weekend, that I should buy it then. I think someone recently said Coleman's was pressuring someone on a used bike. Brad's manager is the dick that wouldn't quote me the price on the phone. I don't think the people that work there suck, I think it's the people that run the show. I've talked w/ guys in parts and a mechanic that was walking the showroom floor and both were great guys, very knowledgable. I've also had a friend that worked there one summer, he needed extra money, there's only so many bike shops around here. The guy I was working w/ at Champion on the SVS, when I finally decided between the silver & blue, told me there was someone in the shop looking at the silver but he told them it was being sold, that he'd have to get the blue one. I was like sure, someone is there right now, while we're talking. When I picked up my bike the blue one wasn't there though. >From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" >To: >Subject: I have a positive thing to say about Coleman's in Falls Church (!) >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:13:38 -0500 >At least at Coleman's, I never have a problem sitting on any bike I want, >for as long as I want, rocking it back and fourth, leaning left and right, >etc. Usually, the salesmen don't bother me one bit, although sometimes they >are trying to make their pitch. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 18:32:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JNWuie013462; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:32:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JNWuQG013454; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:32:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:32:48 -0500 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Need Help. Accident Sunday 3/16/03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3F882B3E.72C38750.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2JNWtie013442 I got into an accident on Sunday during our group ride. The person behind me was following to close and rear ended me. My bike sustained some damage. The other guys bike had damage to the right side of his bike and a bent front rim. I was able to keep the bike up right but the other guy went down. Thank goodness he was only shaken up and only had minor boo-boos. I have a huge problem on my hands... I've been trying to contact him by email and tried to call him with the number he gave me but the number given was incorrect. The guy didn't have his registration or insurance card with him at the time. So, I didn't call the cops and add insult to injury. So, we decided to exchange phone numbers and call it a day. I didn't have a pen and paper handy to take his license plate number. Now I'm dead in the water trying to find this guy. I've tried the DC MVA but they need a tag number to give me his insurance information. I'm in the process of filing the police report. Does any one know what else I should do? I have also created a topic on the dcsportbikes.com forum which he is a part of. Please visit the site to see if you know this guy. Thanks... Here is the link: http://www.dcsportbikes.com/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=3&TopicID=440&PagePosition=1 -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 19:44:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2K0iOie024937; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:44:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2K0iNii024927; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:44:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:38:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 To: Leon Begeman Cc: DCCycles Message-id: <3E790D8F.1E1F2028@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030318165439.78517.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > > Email me for additional information. Times are still > to be determined, but won't be earlier than 10 AM or > later than 6 PM. Hmm, was planning on doing the moto show breakfast on Saturday, but Sunday might be do-able. Time to see if BugSlayer's new tipover guards can be touched down without laying it down... :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 19:51:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2K0pnie026816; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:51:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2K0pna2026806; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:51:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:51:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3E790D8F.1E1F2028@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal I wish I could come, but I'll be working the bike show. Anyone who's there should stop by our booths - Adventure Motorcycle Gear and Lady Riders Wear. We'll also have a large Givi display as the Givi USA guys won't be there, so we'll be showing off their stuff. See ya there, LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 20:14:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2K1Epie032377; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:14:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2K1Eowj032368; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:14:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001a01c2ee7e$16288740$3f89bc3f@COMPAQ> From: "Ivan S. Keefer" To: "rich hall" , References: Subject: Re: test rides Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:14:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > Speaking of climbing on bikes, I learned while I was picking up the SVS that > Champion will let you test ride their used bikes. Sales guy said you have > to sign a waiver that discourages most. > > FWIW, Loudoun Motorsports had a 91 Honda ST1100 on consignment last July. I told salesman Joe Sullivan I'd been looking for a good used one for several years. When I inquired about a test ride, without hesitation, he pulled out a liability release form and handed me the keys. "Take your time," he said. I did the test ride, dealed the price down $500 and bought it for $250 under book with over $400 worth of accessories installed by the previous owner. I wouldn't hesitate doing business with him again. Also, last October, Manassas Honda had a used 01 Gl1800 on trade-in. I'd seen the Honda ads about GL1800 demo rides and was very interested in trying out the 1800 engine. I mentioned the demo ads to the salesman (don't remember his name) and he pulled out a liability release form and handed me the keys. "Bring it back in an hour," he said. BTW, the 1800's torque and power is UNBELIEVABLE for a bike of this size! You literally have to FEEL it to know what I'm saying. I'm 41 years old and have been riding over 30 years. Not sure if this had anything to do with it, but both salesmen asked me how long I'd been riding and if I had a bike now. Maybe they were checking me out for riding experience? YMMV. All disclaimers apply. Ivan "I'd rather be riding my motorcycle thinking about God than sitting in church thinking about my motorcycle..." Anon. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ivan S. Keefer STOC#3596 Bunker Hill, WV (motorcycles, Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., *sigh*) 1991 Honda ST1100 SSMST "STar Cruiser" AMA # 487634: http://www.ama-cycle.org/ HRCA: http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/ridersclub/index.html Teamsters: http://www.teamster.org/ Work: http://www.usfreightways.com/contents/redstar/rsel.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 21:08:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2K28sie003915; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:08:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2K28s9J003905; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:08:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <03cc01c2ee85$9c39f420$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "rich hall" , References: Subject: Re: test rides Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:07:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 For those that are going to the Dulles show this weekend, they are demoing BMW cycles there. Just bring your riding gear to demo. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: test rides > The dealer gave a guy 10 minutes on a bike, he came back well after a 1/2 > hour. Asked to ride something else, dealer told him no. Dealer wasn't > thrilled when the guy rode up on a dirt bike either. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 21:21:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2K2LGie005824; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:21:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2K2LGW5005814; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:21:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005001c2ee87$59645b20$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. 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Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 21:30:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2K2UOie011525; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:30:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2K2UNj8011517; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:30:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.83.223.127] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS '94 Seca II Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:30:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 02:30:16.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4C51EA0:01C2EE88] FOR SALE: 1994 YAMAHA SECA II / XJ600 $2450 19k miles, bought with 5k miles in fall of 1999, all records/receipts since then great starter bike, very reliable, comfortable, easy to work on selling because got new bike stainless steel brake lines Targa "dark smoke" wind screen flush mount turn signals custom fender eliminator owner's manual Haynes repair manual stock windscreen, turn signals, chain guard original tool kit wasn't on bike when bought blown over twice by the wind while I've owned, down at least once before that, small dent in muffler, small scratches on right side, see photos below located in Arlington, VA contact Rich at richallmc@XXXXXX or 703-526-0328 photos at: http://www.geocities.com/richallvt/YamahaSecaIIXJ600.html _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 21:40:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2K2emie017249; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:40:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2K2emZ7017241; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:40:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E792A2E.847EC746@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:40:46 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Expo meeting... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I could spare a few hours to sit on some new/used bikes. Anyone going on Sunday or is Sat. the only day people are congealing? Friend of mine just passed the MSF course. Hell, 3 friends of mine just passed...WOOHOO! Gonna see if I can wrastle em in there. 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Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 19 22:03:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2K33aie028724; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:03:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2K33amv028714; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:03:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030319220256.00b53e68@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:03:28 -0500 To: "Dc-Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 In-Reply-To: References: <3E790D8F.1E1F2028@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hey Linda! Any news on the missing trailer? -aki At 07:51 PM 3/19/2003, LindaT. wrote: >I wish I could come, but I'll be working the bike show. Anyone >who's there >should stop by our booths - Adventure Motorcycle Gear and Lady >Riders Wear. >We'll also have a large Givi display as the Givi USA guys won't be >there, so >we'll be showing off their stuff. > >See ya there, >LindaT. >Custom TankBags >Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings >Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) >AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) >00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing >http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 08:27:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KDRiie004953; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:27:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KDReD9004938; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:27:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:27:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030319220256.00b53e68@pop.east.cox.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal It is well and truly gone. No word from the police. Thanks for asking. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:03 PM To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 Hey Linda! Any news on the missing trailer? -aki At 07:51 PM 3/19/2003, LindaT. wrote: >I wish I could come, but I'll be working the bike show. Anyone >who's there >should stop by our booths - Adventure Motorcycle Gear and Lady >Riders Wear. >We'll also have a large Givi display as the Givi USA guys won't be >there, so >we'll be showing off their stuff. > >See ya there, >LindaT. >Custom TankBags >Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings >Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) >AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) >00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing >http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 08:30:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KDU2ie006817; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:30:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KDU25N006813; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:30:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Last Sunday's Ride Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:29:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal This is what happened last Sunday... Irv (R11S) and I (R11RT) went for a ride today. Not far as Irv had some other things he needed to do. We rode out to Leesburg the long way and had lunch at a greek fast food place. Very nice (high 60's ) weather. On the way back, I was leading with two cars ahead of me. The front car signaled for a right turn and I was watching him. The car in front of me slowed for the lead car. All was as it should be, when I looked at the road surface as my front wheel disappeared into a pothole - no, make that a crater. Boom, the gps jumps off the accessory shelf. Fortunately, I always have a back up tether on it. The tankbag comes undone on one of the three points that hold it down. AND my front wheel feels decidedly funny. Doesn't want to steer and starts making me plenty nervous. I, of course, can't actually see the tire while riding, so I start desperately looking for somewhere to pull over. It's takes nearly a half mile before there is any shoulder at all. I keep telling myself not to use the front brake. I'm not sure why, but I know it must be a bad thing. Finally get stopped on a gravel shoulder, get the side stand down with difficulty, and, lo and behold, I have a flat tire. Not just flat, but with an inch long slit in the sidewall. AND a dent in the wheel. Did I mention we were out in the middle of nowhere? Next step, get out tire repair kit and pump some air into the tire just for grins. Yep, that hole really goes all the way through. No fixee, no ridee. Oh yeah, when did that roadside assistance run out? Just two weeks ago. So, I called the president of our local BMW club who has a coupla very nice trailers and he graciously came out to rescue us. Well, me, Irv waited with me because he's such a gentleman. Now, picture this: Billy (owner of trailer) drives out 40 miles in his Suburban (?) and 3 rail trailer, bringing his wife who's recovering from foot surgery and can't walk. Did I mention that Billy hurt his back last week? Irv (not the weight lifter type) with various aches and pains and me (the delicate flower?). All 4 of us (Joyce did some supervising)trying to wrestle a 620+ pound bike up a ramp when none of us were really 100% (or maybe even 50%). The bike got hung up on the centerstand on the first try. Got hung up a little higher on the side stand. Third time was the charm. It must have looked rather amusing to see a bunch of old farts struggling with a big, black shiny motorcycle. Funny thing, it was much easier to unload than to load ;-). Thanking Billy and Joyce profusely. Good thing - I ordered tires last week. Bad thing - I need to get my wheel straightened. More bad things - I now have three bikes that are out of commission. RT with bad tire and bent wheel, CBR with leaky master cylinder and KLR with indeterminate starter problem. And I own no 4 wheeled vehicles. Irv loaned me a spare. Life - it's always an adventure. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 08:40:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KDeTie016176; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:40:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KDeTaw016165; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:40:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: "LindaT." , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 8:40:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030320134023.LHAN2793.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> What? You mean "CSI Fairfax" hasn't cracked the case yet? Must be because they didn't get their own tv show. ;-) -aki > > From: "LindaT." > Date: 2003/03/20 Thu AM 08:27:15 EST > To: "Dc-Cycles" > Subject: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 > > It is well and truly gone. No word from the police. > > Thanks for asking. > LindaT. > Custom TankBags > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > http://www.customtankbags.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:03 PM > To: Dc-Cycles > Subject: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 > > > Hey Linda! > > Any news on the missing trailer? > > -aki > > > > At 07:51 PM 3/19/2003, LindaT. wrote: > >I wish I could come, but I'll be working the bike show. Anyone > >who's there > >should stop by our booths - Adventure Motorcycle Gear and Lady > >Riders Wear. > >We'll also have a large Givi display as the Givi USA guys won't be > >there, so > >we'll be showing off their stuff. > > > >See ya there, > >LindaT. > >Custom TankBags > >Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > >Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > >AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > >95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) > >00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > >http://www.customtankbags.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 09:13:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KEDwie020108; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:13:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KEDvYT020098; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:13:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303201413.ACR91525@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:13:54 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 To: Dc-Cycles X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They're too busy Stamping out public intoxication in drinking establishments throughout the county. Where's your priorities, man ? Dave > >What? You mean "CSI Fairfax" hasn't cracked the case yet? Must be because they didn't get their own tv show. ;-) > >-aki > >> >> From: "LindaT." >> Date: 2003/03/20 Thu AM 08:27:15 EST >> To: "Dc-Cycles" >> Subject: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 >> >> It is well and truly gone. No word from the police. >> >> Thanks for asking. >> LindaT. >> Custom TankBags >> Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings >> Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) >> AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW >> 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >> 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) >> 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing >> http://www.customtankbags.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:03 PM >> To: Dc-Cycles >> Subject: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 >> >> >> Hey Linda! >> >> Any news on the missing trailer? >> >> -aki >> >> >> >> At 07:51 PM 3/19/2003, LindaT. wrote: >> >I wish I could come, but I'll be working the bike show. Anyone >> >who's there >> >should stop by our booths - Adventure Motorcycle Gear and Lady >> >Riders Wear. >> >We'll also have a large Givi display as the Givi USA guys won't be >> >there, so >> >we'll be showing off their stuff. >> > >> >See ya there, >> >LindaT. >> >Custom TankBags >> >Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings >> >Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) >> >AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW >> >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >> >95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) >> >00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing >> >http://www.customtankbags.com >> >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 12:21:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KHLMie024879; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:21:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KHLJmr024869; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:21:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c2ef02$513695a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , "Dc-Cycles" References: <200303201413.ACR91525@ms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Re: RE: Leon's Circles. March 22 and 23 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:00:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 All based on the startling revelation that people tend to get a little "happy" in establishments serving alcohol. As long as they don't get behind the wheel, or hop on a bike (ob moto content) why is this a problem? I'm surprised the likker agents (aka revenooers) didn't bring along Carrie Nation wannabes to lecture the patrons on the evils of demon rum. Get the revenooers down in the hollers of SW Virginny, where they belong, to bust up some illegal stills. Paul in DC, where the ABC board hands out likker licenses the way parking enforcement hands out tickets. 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > They're too busy Stamping out public intoxication in drinking > establishments throughout the county. > > Where's your priorities, man ? > > Dave > > > > >What? You mean "CSI Fairfax" hasn't cracked the case yet? > Must be because they didn't get their own tv show. ;-) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 13:48:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KImwie029059; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:48:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KImvG1029049; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:48:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: sporty saddle bags Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:48:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 18:48:49.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[5894BB60:01C2EF11] Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they like? Thanks. Rich '02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 14:11:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KJBDie002485; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:11:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KJBDG0002475; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:11:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:10:00 -0600 Message-ID: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA1514690589519B@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: sporty saddle bags Thread-Index: AcLvFGkCwdQhAuARSsaDjOeAmZF9Sw== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2KJBCie002463 Tourmaster cortech. >>> rich hall 03/20/03 01:48PM >>> Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they like? Thanks. Rich '02 SVS From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 14:33:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KJXZie006300; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:33:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KJXZj6006289; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:33:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] X-Originating-Email: [robkeiser@XXXXXX] From: "Rob Keiser" To: richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:33:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 19:33:27.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[94AA4BF0:01C2EF17] Before Givi threw up on my VFR, I used the Eclipse P-38 Saddle Packs for a little while and they did the job. Prices are good and with the Tailpack, could carry a decent amount. My bro's got first dibs (with his SV), but if he passes, I'll be selling them to clean up the garage some more. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: sporty saddle bags Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:48:49 -0500 Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they like? Thanks. Rich '02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 15:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KK43ie010184; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:04:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KK42rA010177; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:04:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030320200343.36304.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:03:43 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA1514690589519B@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I second that motion. I have a set of the TourMaster Cortech bags and they are the proverbial bomb. Might not work with a highmount exhaust though. For that, the Eclipse bags that someone mentioned might be the best solution (I own these also). The TourMaster bags are better constructed than anything I've seen from Eclipse though. Chris Weaver --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > Tourmaster cortech. > > >>> rich hall 03/20/03 01:48PM >>> > Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they > like? > Thanks. > Rich > '02 SVS > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 15:33:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KKXhie014059; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:33:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KKXgdA014044; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:33:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: sporty saddle bags Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:33:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030320203336.OQSD2793.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> > > From: Chris Weaver > Date: 2003/03/20 Thu PM 03:03:43 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags > > I second that motion. I have a set of the TourMaster > Cortech bags and they are the proverbial bomb. Might > not work with a highmount exhaust though. For that, > the Eclipse bags that someone mentioned might be the > best solution (I own these also). The TourMaster bags > are better constructed than anything I've seen from > Eclipse though. > > Chris Weaver > sorry Chris...even though some day I'd like to get a set of bags, I'd lose serious poser points with those. Then again, dyna bags from HD are ~$800. Milk carton crates are cheap though. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 15:38:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KKcGie015948; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:38:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KKcF0M015942; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:38:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, rich hall wrote: > Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they like? > Thanks. > Rich > '02 SVS http://www.blueblackbusa.org/busa-bag.jpg Tourmaster Cortech bags, saddlebag and tailbag. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 15:44:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KKidie019673; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:44:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KKict5019658; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:44:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:59:37 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, rich hall wrote: > > > Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they like? > > Thanks. > > Rich > > '02 SVS > > http://www.blueblackbusa.org/busa-bag.jpg > > Tourmaster Cortech bags, saddlebag and tailbag. s/saddlebag/tankbag :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 15:54:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KKsqie025241; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:54:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KKsquu025231; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:54:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:54:50 -0500 From: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags To: rich hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Rich, I'll second Rob K's recommendation. I had the Eclipse P38s on my VFR before I got Givi'ed. The Eclipses went to eBay heaven about a year ago, otherwise I'd offer them to you. The P38s are good, for the price. Fairly roomy and secure. The tapered shape looks good on sportier bikes. A lot of folks like RKA Luggage as well. I have one of their tank bags. HTH, Paul in DC - 95 VFR - 86 VF500F ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:48:49 -0500 >From: "rich hall" >Subject: sporty saddle bags >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they like? >Thanks. >Rich >'02 SVS > > >_____________________________________________________________ ____ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 16:24:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KLOPie029126; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:24:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KLOPEH029116; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:24:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:24:01 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <102CFAFC.1233226D.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I bought a set from www.rka-luggage.com last year that I like. They fit perfect on the R6. I bought the Hi-pipe version for more clearance. They actually hold a lot. My only problem was/is, they come with rain covers that leak where the bag touches the bike and the covers don't cover. Solution, industrial strength zip-lock plastic bags from work. I put my stuff in those and then into the saddle bags. Don't ever have to deal with the rain covers with that setup. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 3/20/2003 1:48:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > > > Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they like? > Thanks. > Rich > '02 SVS > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 16:37:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KLbwie029241; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:37:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KLbvn5029231; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:37:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.230.29] X-Originating-Email: [phutchins2@XXXXXX] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "rich hall" , References: Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:37:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 21:37:33.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA6A71D0:01C2EF28] I have the TourMaster Cortech series (Tribag Tail Bag System) and love them... ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: sporty saddle bags > Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they like? > Thanks. > Rich > '02 SVS > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 17:17:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KMHBie002546; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:17:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KMHBDr002539; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:17:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:17:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 22:17:04.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FCB6550:01C2EF2E] What's the advantage of a tailbag vs bungee-ing a duffle bag? >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:53:11 -0500 (EST) > >On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, rich hall wrote: > > > Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they like? > > Thanks. > > Rich > > '02 SVS > >http://www.blueblackbusa.org/busa-bag.jpg > >Tourmaster Cortech bags, saddlebag and tailbag. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 17:40:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KMeuie008149; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:40:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KMetgP008138; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:40:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:55:53 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, rich hall wrote: > What's the advantage of a tailbag vs bungee-ing a duffle bag? Stability? The tailbag snaps into the top of the saddlebags. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 17:55:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KMtlie013659; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:55:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KMtkqL013649; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:55:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.230.29] X-Originating-Email: [phutchins2@XXXXXX] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "rich hall" , References: Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:55:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 22:55:38.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3725050:01C2EF33] The bungees are built in to the bag bottom of the bag. It comes with a raincover as well. I use the tailbag every day riding to and from work. There are side pockets that are large enough to hold the two pieces of my rainsuit or a windblocker fleece. I don't have to undo bungees to get to things. The pockets on the Cortech tailbag are pretty cool. You can get to the middle compartment from the side (the compartment dividers can be unzipped). When you use it with the saddlebags, the bungees are tucked away and the tailbag is secured to the saddlebags using an integrated flap and clips. The whole setup has been at sustained triple digits (or so I hear :-P) with no concerns about things flying off. It's the best soft bag setup I've seen. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags > What's the advantage of a tailbag vs bungee-ing a duffle bag? > > >From: Wayne Edelen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 18:02:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KN2nie015583; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:02:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KN2mpr015572; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:02:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:17:46 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Paul Hutchins wrote: > The whole setup has been at sustained triple digits (or so I hear :-P) with > no concerns about things flying off. Some guy with a Hayabusa ;-) tested these on a trip at an indicated 150mph and the only issue is that I^hhe lost the rain covers. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 18:34:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KNYCie021269; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:34:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KNYCfw021262; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:34:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 20 Mar 2003 23:34:02 GMT Message-ID: <006c01c2eed4$a50c0120$c1319d40@oemcomputer> From: "Alex & Kris Morse" To: References: <200303200000.h2K0006k019246@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Rust never sleeps Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:28:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hi All, Does anybody have any suggestions for halting the rusting of my six-month-old elbow pipe (from the 4-into-1 point up to the new can)? My stock header pipes are stainless steele and doing fine, although the discoloration is an annoyance I've learned to live with, but that elbow pipe is really starting to rust up and even flake off. It's a Holeshot pipe/can. Is there a sealant or paint that could stop the rust but survive the heat of the pipe? Thanks for any help, Alex 01 Bandito (nekkid) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 18:39:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KNdFie021377; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:39:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2KNdFjE021365; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:39:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:54:09 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Rust never sleeps In-Reply-To: <006c01c2eed4$a50c0120$c1319d40@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Alex & Kris Morse wrote: > Is there a sealant or paint that could stop the rust but survive the heat of > the pipe? > Thanks for any help, > Alex > 01 Bandito (nekkid) If you don't want to pony up the cabbage to remove it and have it Jet-Hot coated, check out http://www.por15.com/hightempcoatings.html for some decent coatings for the DIY'er. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 21:56:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2L2ujie007277; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:56:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2L2uiWO007267; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:56:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <410-22003352125642427@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2003.2.92.0 (Windows) From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sitting on bike (was re: blah...) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:56:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c260968e575c8378ea5c88374228b37b4da4793caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > So - when you sit on the bike and scratch up the tank, should the dealer > pay to fix it before the next guy buys it? Be considerate - pull your shirt over your belt buckle ;-) > I wish they had test rides for every model, but they don't. I can > understand the liability there too. Automobile dealers do, why not bike dealers? Liability can be addressed Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 20 22:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2L3fVie011157; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:41:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2L3fUq1011147; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:41:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7A89B4.891FEB6F@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:40:36 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjordan812@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sitting on bike (was re: blah...) References: <410-22003352125642427@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Jordan wrote: > > So - when you sit on the bike and scratch up the tank, should the dealer > > pay to fix it before the next guy buys it? > > Be considerate - pull your shirt over your belt buckle ;-) > > > I wish they had test rides for every model, but they don't. I can > > understand the liability there too. > > Automobile dealers do, why not bike dealers? Liability can be addressed > > Michael J. Heh heh. Cruise any car lot and you will find *specials*. Cars with like 20 miles on the OD at special prices, and a disclosure report on a bumper replacement or the like. The sales person will spout the mantra "shipping damage" but I'm betting many are test drive damage. Deals can be had! My inspection includes a careful examnintion of the paint. I can tell when a panel has been repainted and never, ever buy a almost new vehicle with a repaint, unless the dealer is giving it away. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 08:17:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LDHsie017582; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:17:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LDHrTW017572; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:17:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030321131715.4631.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 05:17:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: sporty saddle bags To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if you don't need to carry too much stuff in the saddlebags, you'll be very happy (like me) with rka. very easy to install/remove and won't damage the finish like some others that have been named. high-pipe compatible. i've owned marsee, eclipse and others, but they don't look nearly as good as these bags. the best bags as far as practicality is concerned are the oxfords. tough, expandable, versatile.... they are, however, not too forgiving on the finish. carry some tape with you on your trips to protect. perfect longer trip bags. --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, rich hall wrote: > > > Anyone have a pair of soft sport saddle bags they like? > > Thanks. > > Rich > > '02 SVS > > http://www.blueblackbusa.org/busa-bag.jpg > > Tourmaster Cortech bags, saddlebag and tailbag. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 11:41:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LGf8ie022314; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:41:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LGf4QK022302; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:41:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] X-Originating-Email: [dhallis@XXXXXX] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:29:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2003 16:29:25.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[097702C0:01C2EFC7] I'd like to know if everyone is getting the same "service" that I got from DMV in Virginia. I recently purchased a trailer and had to go to DMV in Virgina to get it titled and registered. What a disaster. Monday I go to the DMV in Springfield Mall. I arrive at 5:00, assuming I'd get in by closing time at 6:30. The line is across the mall, blocking the entrance to several stores. At 6:15 a guy comes out and says that we "may not" get in. Since I've been waiting for over an hour I stick it out, but don't get in. There are a total of three clerks in the place. Yesterday I go to the DMV in Franconia. I get there at 3:45. The place closes at 6:00. There is a small line outside, in cold pouring down rain. The wait to get inside, to get a number, is about a half hour. I get inside at about 4:15. I get number e578. About 10 minutes go by and e545 is called. My number is called around 6:20 -- two hours later. My trailer costs me $98 for the 3% sales tax, title and permanent registration. Dirt cheap. The sales tax is less than what I pay on food. But they don't have any trailer tags left, but I'm out of there at 6:45. I have to use temp tags good for two months and Virgina will mail me the permanent tags (at VA expense). I feel lucky... while I was waiting I sat next to a kid and his Dad. They were waiting to be called so he can get his picture taken for his license. He's taken the written and road tests and been there almost all day. This is insane!!! At any given time there were at most 3 clerks, but windows for 15. The building is a beautiful brand new facility. Each of the windows is outfited with what seem to be brand new computers, printers, and other hardware, The place has new carpets you name it... but the not enough people!!! Across the parking lot is the old facility, which I'd been to before. Its empty. Nobody is using it. I'd been in the old facility at least 10 times in the last 15 years; car and motorcycle written and road tests, title work on used and new cars and bikes, registering to vote etc. It was always crowded, but I could always get in and out in under two hours! I know that VA is in a budget crisis, but what the hell is our government thinking? They've over invested in hardware and buildings and slashed the people budget. This place, if run right, should be a money maker! And if its not, its only because the sales tax on vehicles is less than what we pay on food (3% vs 5.5%)! People can't get into the place to pay their fees and taxes! Half the folks who left "unserved" were recent immigrants to the state, saying things like "looks like I'll have to drive with an expired license!" I think that Virginia has lost its collective mind. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 11:50:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LGoxie028037; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:50:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LGoxOm028027; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:50:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030321114812.022cb898@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:50:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:29 AM 3/21/2003, Doug Allis wrote: >I know that VA is in a budget crisis, but what the hell is our government >thinking? They got fat in the .com boom years, overspent in VDOT and generally grew too big. Now instead of cutting back on pork-barrel they killed the DMV to drive home to everyone how bad the budget situation is. DMV has always been poorly run - now it has been gutted and barely gets the job done. Remind the politicians in November. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 11:58:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LGwpie000964; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:58:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LGwpKw000952; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:58:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49268@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Doug Allis'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:08:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You are absolutely right. VA DMV is a complete CF. You are lucky to have gotten your temp trailer tags (maybe Franconia is better). I went in the Eisenhower DMV, waited my 3 hours, only to have the teller say that "oh, we're out of permanent tags, you'll have to go to Franconia." WHAT??? You can't just mail them to me? Indeed, the manager said that I had to go over to Franconia and waste another 3 hours just so they could hand me the plates. So there I was the next day, wasting away in DMV for 3 hours just waiting for them to hand over the stupid plates. It's REALLY bad. I thought NY DMV was bad, but now they look like angels. Not to mention the half-hour (no lie) it took for the manager to call over to Franconia to see if they had the plates on hand. :-/ Don't worry buddy, wouldn't want you to work or anything. I could have ridden over there and back by then for chrissakes. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [SMTP:dhallis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:29 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks > > I'd like to know if everyone is getting the same "service" that I got from > > DMV in Virginia. I recently purchased a trailer and had to go to DMV in > Virgina to get it titled and registered. What a disaster. Monday I go to > > the DMV in Springfield Mall. I arrive at 5:00, assuming I'd get in by > closing time at 6:30. The line is across the mall, blocking the entrance > to > several stores. At 6:15 a guy comes out and says that we "may not" get in. > > Since I've been waiting for over an hour I stick it out, but don't get in. > > There are a total of three clerks in the place. > > Yesterday I go to the DMV in Franconia. I get there at 3:45. The place > closes at 6:00. There is a small line outside, in cold pouring down rain. > The wait to get inside, to get a number, is about a half hour. I get > inside > at about 4:15. I get number e578. About 10 minutes go by and e545 is > called. My number is called around 6:20 -- two hours later. My trailer > costs me $98 for the 3% sales tax, title and permanent registration. Dirt > cheap. The sales tax is less than what I pay on food. But they don't have > any trailer tags left, but I'm out of there at 6:45. I have to use temp > tags good for two months and Virgina will mail me the permanent tags (at > VA > expense). I feel lucky... while I was waiting I sat next to a kid and his > Dad. They were waiting to be called so he can get his picture taken for > his > license. He's taken the written and road tests and been there almost all > day. > > This is insane!!! At any given time there were at most 3 clerks, but > windows > for 15. The building is a beautiful brand new facility. Each of the > windows > is outfited with what seem to be brand new computers, printers, and other > hardware, The place has new carpets you name it... but the not enough > people!!! Across the parking lot is the old facility, which I'd been to > before. Its empty. Nobody is using it. I'd been in the old facility at > least > 10 times in the last 15 years; car and motorcycle written and road tests, > title work on used and new cars and bikes, registering to vote etc. It > was > always crowded, but I could always get in and out in under two hours! > > I know that VA is in a budget crisis, but what the hell is our government > thinking? They've over invested in hardware and buildings and slashed the > people budget. This place, if run right, should be a money maker! And if > its not, its only because the sales tax on vehicles is less than what we > pay > on food (3% vs 5.5%)! People can't get into the place to pay their fees > and > taxes! Half the folks who left "unserved" were recent immigrants to the > state, saying things like "looks like I'll have to drive with an expired > license!" I think that Virginia has lost its collective mind. > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 12:05:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LH5fie002960; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:05:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LH5f6C002945; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:05:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:02:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303211202101B.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Isn't Linda missing a trailer? Hmmm :-) Evil Overlord Carl On Friday 21 March 2003 11:29, Doug Allis wrote: > I'd like to know if everyone is getting the same "service" that I got from > DMV in Virginia. I recently purchased a trailer and had to go to DMV in > Virgina to get it titled and registered. *snipped* -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 12:22:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LHMwie010118; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:22:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LHMvK9010108; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:22:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303211722.ACU13697@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:22:42 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >You are absolutely right. VA DMV is a complete CF. [Dave] Perhaps it is so now, but, DMV on it's WORST day, is superior to the MD MVA on it's BEST Day. > You are lucky to have >gotten your temp trailer tags (maybe Franconia is better). I went in the >Eisenhower DMV, waited my 3 hours, only to have the teller say that "oh, >we're out of permanent tags, you'll have to go to Franconia." WHAT??? You >can't just mail them to me? Indeed, the manager said that I had to go over >to Franconia and waste another 3 hours just so they could hand me the >plates. > >So there I was the next day, wasting away in DMV for 3 hours just waiting >for them to hand over the stupid plates. It's REALLY bad. I thought NY DMV >was bad, but now they look like angels. > >Not to mention the half-hour (no lie) it took for the manager to call over >to Franconia to see if they had the plates on hand. :-/ Don't worry buddy, >wouldn't want you to work or anything. I could have ridden over there and >back by then for chrissakes. [Dave] 1st, hopefully, you took the time to complain to Gubner Mark 'Bubba' Warner, the DMV commish your delegate & senator. While I only once had to file a complaint, to their credit, DMV commisioner's office made it right, and did it quick. Pre 'crisis' DMV ran well, not superior, but better than MVA, and you have fewer 'mandatory' trips to the DMV than MVA. Remember, this DMV "crisis" is 100% made up by Gubner Bubba Warner - DMV is allegedly, and has been self sufficient. This little gambit was designed to make us "feel the pain" of the need for the sales tax rise. Fortunately, the GA & Gubner Bubba have seen fit to give us some more DMV support - allegedly -sure seems awful slow to come about. And let's not forget Jimbo Gilmore for enacting that ponzi (sp?) scheme misnamed the personal property tax repeal. The state needs t follow that up by "phasing out" the state reimbursement. What counties can't make it without PP tax? Bovine Fecal Matter. Fairfax's Taj Mahal Gov't Center and court house(s) spared no expense. There's plenty of room in all the government agencies to cut programs that really shouldn't be taxpayer funded in the 1st place. We get the service we vote - or not - for... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 12:27:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LHRsie013768; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:27:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LHRrb7013759; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:27:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Skyline Drive Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:27:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2003 17:27:46.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[302EFE10:01C2EFCF] I'm going to be out in Bealeton, lil south of Warrenton this weekend, was thinking I'd try to break in the SVS more on Skyline Drive on Sunday. Looks like I can take 211 from Warrenton to Skyline Drive then take that north to 55 back to Arlington. Anyone have a better way? How much time should I allow for Skyline Drive? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 12:49:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LHnuie021317; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:49:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LHntQY021307; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:49:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030321174952.7766.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:49:52 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Leon's Circles Saturday and Sunday Schedule To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you want to practice slower speed turns, I'll have some lines drawn on the commuter parking lot at Exit 158 on I-95. This isn't a formal function, the chalk marks will be on the parking lot no matter who's there. Looking over the lot, it looks like the place behind the bus stop in the new part of the lot is where I'll be. Saturday I've got a couple of other things that came up, so I'll be there sometime between noon and 2PM, then I have to pick up my daughter, but will return and stay until about 5PM. On Sunday, I'll be there before noon and plan to stay until about 5PM. Leon __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 12:54:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LHsKie027029; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:54:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LHsKiZ027025; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:54:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030321125210.02191da0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:54:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Skyline Drive In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:27 PM 3/21/2003, rich hall wrote: >I'm going to be out in Bealeton, lil south of Warrenton this weekend, was >thinking I'd try to break in the SVS more on Skyline Drive on Sunday. >Looks like I can take 211 from Warrenton to Skyline Drive then take that >north to 55 back to Arlington. >Anyone have a better way? 211 to Warrenton then the VA byway to 211 again just ahead of tThornton's Gap. Then up the gap to Skyline and back up to 55 in Front Royal. Many roads in the area are free and just as nice as Skyline, although when there is no traffic - Skyline is sweet. >How much time should I allow for Skyline Drive? From 211 to 55 is around 90 minutes. 3 hours end to end. That is at the speed limit though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 13:01:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LI1Fie001822; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:01:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LI1Fxr001812; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:01:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chantilly Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:57:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303211257481C.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll be there tomorrow at about 10am (or whatever opening time is, whichever is later). The wife'll be there with me assuming I get a backrest for the bike tonight :-) I'll have to call East Coast. See you tomorrow. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 13:25:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LIPZie009387; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:25:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LIPYTN009377; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:25:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Chantilly Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:25:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I'll be there some friends of mine are meeting up in Rockville and riding down. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 12:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chantilly I'll be there tomorrow at about 10am (or whatever opening time is, whichever is later). The wife'll be there with me assuming I get a backrest for the bike tonight :-) I'll have to call East Coast. See you tomorrow. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 13:28:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LIS3ie011282; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:28:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LIS32D011276; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:28:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:42:49 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks In-Reply-To: <200303211722.ACU13697@ms2.verisignmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > > > >You are absolutely right. VA DMV is a complete CF. > > [Dave] Perhaps it is so now, but, DMV on it's WORST day, is > superior to the MD MVA on it's BEST Day. I disagree, Dave. I generally go to the Frederick office and it's great. In and out very quickly (it took me ~45 minutes recently to get my trailer tags), the staff is friendly and helpful and the facility is clean and new. Maybe your should specify that some offices are better than others, rather than an incorrect blanket statement. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 14:10:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LJALie020476; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:10:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LJAKiZ020466; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:10:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303211910.ACU32536@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:10:17 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> [Dave] Perhaps it is so now, but, DMV on it's WORST day, is >> superior to the MD MVA on it's BEST Day. > >I disagree, Dave. I generally go to the Frederick office and it's great. >In and out very quickly (it took me ~45 minutes recently to get my trailer >tags), the staff is friendly and helpful and the facility is clean and >new. [Dave] I once traversed the help desk, window 1 & window 2 to get tags in the Waldorf MD MVA in 18 minutes, which was downright efficient (tag renewal). Of course, that was once, and having had 9 cars & 2 trucks & 2 bikes titled & registered there that time was certainly an isolated incident. > >Maybe your should specify that some offices are better than others, rather >than an incorrect blanket statement. [Dave] Nope, I'll stick with the correct blanket statement, as a whole, DMV wins hands down. Of course, it's only 3 cars, 2 trucks & 1 bike so far at DMV, but even DMV's 'rush hour time' beat Waldorf and Largo's 'morning, non rush time' 45 minutes is pretty good, but I was in an out of DMV when I moved here in 30 minutes with 2 clear titles, one e-title, registrations, tags and voter registration. This was also a "rush hour" visit - ~4:00 . It's not merely the response time that made MVA such a pain, it was navigating the arcane rules, forms and more often than not unfriendly and belligerent attitude the employess show to people that come there. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 14:10:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LJAtie020864; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:10:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LJAts1020858; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:10:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030321191048.62946.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:10:48 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200303211722.ACU13697@ms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Bovine Fecal Matter. Fairfax's Taj Mahal Gov't > Center and > court house(s) spared no expense. Did ya know they have plans to double the size of the current courthouse? Granted, the courts are backed up and they need more judges. However the court rooms and offices are currently only used for 8 hours a day. Instead of doubling the court rooms, they should start having a night court. Not all night, but at least until 10 or 11pm. Then the officers who work nights don't have to get off work at 6am, go to General District court at 9am, Circuit Court at 2pm and then report back to work at 6pm for the next shift. I think your court time should coincide with your arrest time, that way the officers are going to court during their normal shift time. Leave civil matters and jury trials for the normal business day. Traffic and minor criminal can be done in the evenings. But what do I know? It would never happen. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 14:52:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LJqFie029901; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:52:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LJqDRX029885; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:52:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:50:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Skyline Drive To: rich hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E7B6CF4.A93454E3@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: rich hall wrote: > > I'm going to be out in Bealeton, lil south of Warrenton this weekend, was > thinking I'd try to break in the SVS more on Skyline Drive on Sunday. > Looks like I can take 211 from Warrenton to Skyline Drive then take that > north to 55 back to Arlington. > Anyone have a better way? > How much time should I allow for Skyline Drive? Last time I rode thru SD I counted 257 deer in the 109 miles. Yeah, it was a bit early, and they were still out feeding, but be careful, that place is loaded with fearless, hand-fed, antlered, cloven-hooved rats. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 15:10:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LKAEie001182; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:10:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LKAE4N001172; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:10:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F1451578C@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'zetland@XXXXXX'" Subject: Rust never sleeps Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:12:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Alex asked, "Is there a sealant or paint that could stop the rust but survive the heat of the pipe?" Wayne Edelen's advice is excellent: "If you don't want to pony up the cabbage to remove it and have it Jet-Hot coated, check out http://www.por15.com/hightempcoatings.html for some decent coatings for the DIY'er." POR 15 Phoks make some awesome stuff. But, If yer a cheep bar-steward. PJ1 has a gloss black hi-temperature spray paint that appears to work. Home De-poe used to have a high temp gloss black but they only seem to have the flat and satin stuff for BBQ grills. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 15:55:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LKtRie007190; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:55:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LKtPsW007180; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:55:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303212055.ACU49880@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:55:05 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Withrow showed his dissenting tendencies: > >Did ya know they have plans to double the size of the >current courthouse? Granted, the courts are backed up >and they need more judges. [Dave] YEEE ow. > However the court rooms and >offices are currently only used for 8 hours a day. >Instead of doubling the court rooms, they should start >having a night court. Not all night, but at least >until 10 or 11pm. [Dave] why not? because then the judges & lawyers would also have to be available for court too ;-) Not a terrible idea though... You'll never be management by making common sense ! > Then the officers who work nights >don't have to get off work at 6am, go to General >District court at 9am, Circuit Court at 2pm and then >report back to work at 6pm for the next shift. [Dave] Yeah, because after all, it's not really important for someone that has to drive for 8-10 hour shifts to be well rested... Nurses, doctors too... >I think >your court time should coincide with your arrest time, >that way the officers are going to court during their >normal shift time. [Dave] That's good for the defense too, you don't have to miss as much work preparing your case. I think traffic cases should be "loser pays". State wins, I get conviction. Defense wins, the state's chief witness pays :-) >Leave civil matters and jury trials for the normal >business day. Traffic and minor criminal can be done >in the evenings. > >But what do I know? It would never happen. [Dave] Nor will my idea. Someday, we'll have to share a beer or other beverage and lament our ideas which have no chance of succeeding... But let's make sure we don't have that beverage in a Fairfax establishment ! ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 16:19:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LLJIie010964; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:19:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LLJGJX010952; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:19:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] X-Originating-Email: [dhallis@XXXXXX] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: drgridlock@XXXXXX Subject: Write to VA Legislature: re DMV is a Disaster Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:19:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2003 21:19:09.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[831A0D20:01C2EFEF] If you are as annoyed with VA's DMV as I. I suggest you do what I did and write your VA state senator and delegate. Find out who they are at: http://conview.state.va.us/whosmy/constinput.asp To get their e-mail addresses you will have to follow a couple of links to office e-mails. I also cc'd DR Gridlock in the Washington Post. He's at: drgridlock@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 16:25:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LLPoie016732; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:25:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LLPlMA016721; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:25:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] X-Originating-Email: [dhallis@XXXXXX] From: "Doug Allis" To: MLynch@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:25:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2003 21:25:40.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C14FEE0:01C2EFF0] Seriously you need to write your local state reps. Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX w: 202-482-5985 h: 703-912-9576 _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 16:26:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LLQ9ie017417; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:26:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2LLQ9FB017410; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:26:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200303212126.ACU54606@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:26:04 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Write to VA Legislature: re DMV is a Disaster To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >If you are as annoyed with VA's DMV as I. I suggest you do what I did and >write your VA state senator and delegate. Find out who they are at: >http://conview.state.va.us/whosmy/constinput.asp [Dave] Don't forget the DMV commisioner's office. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 21 21:48:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2M2m2ie032162; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 21:48:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2M2m0Ci032150; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 21:48:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030321214631.01146ab8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 21:48:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Meeting Point tomorrow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For anyone interested, I will be in the Wendy's parking lot next to the Chantilly Expo at 10am tomorrow waiting on a group of friends. We plan on heading over to Anita's at 1:30 for lunch. Then maybe a ride :-) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 22 00:47:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2M5l0ie006354; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 00:47:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2M5kxtA006344; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 00:46:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002301c2f037$85999e60$9d29bc3f@k1100rs> From: "Jeff Hughes" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030321125210.02191da0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Skyline Drive Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 00:54:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Actually, the distance from 211 to 55 is 30-odd miles. Speed limit is 35mph. Figure they'll give you to 45. So something less than an hour for that stretch. Jeff > At 12:27 PM 3/21/2003, rich hall wrote: > >I'm going to be out in Bealeton, lil south of Warrenton this weekend, was > >thinking I'd try to break in the SVS more on Skyline Drive on Sunday. > >Looks like I can take 211 from Warrenton to Skyline Drive then take that > >north to 55 back to Arlington. > >Anyone have a better way? > > 211 to Warrenton then the VA byway to 211 again just ahead of tThornton's > Gap. Then up the gap to Skyline and back up to 55 in Front Royal. Many > roads in the area are free and just as nice as Skyline, although when there > is no traffic - Skyline is sweet. > > >How much time should I allow for Skyline Drive? > > From 211 to 55 is around 90 minutes. 3 hours end to end. That is at the > speed limit though. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 22 07:12:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2MCCWie012097; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:12:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2MCCVMQ012089; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:12:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02cb01c2f06e$3c9e47b0$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Parking Bill (HB923 / SB650) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:26:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FYI: ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:11 AM Subject: ABATE: Parking Bill (HB923 / SB650) > Parking Bill (HB923 / SB650) > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/hb0923.htm > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/sb0650.htm > > The parking bill will prohibit local governments from restricting the number > of motorcycles that can legally be parked in a metered parking space. > Current law allows local governments to restrict the number of motorcycles > to two. Only some local governments limit motorcycle parking in this > manner, but it can cause confusion and hardship for motorcycle riders who > are unaware of the restrictions. This bill would eliminate confusing and > sporadic enforcement practices and make parking regulations for motorcycles > uniform throughout the state. > > The House of Delegates Environmental Matters Committee voted on HB 923 on > March 14, 2003. The vote tally sheet shows that the vote was 21 Yeas and 0 > Nays. It also received a favorable full floor vote with 132 Yeas and 2 > Nays. It has moved to the Senate for a vote. > > There is also a 'companion bill' in the Senate with bill number SB 650. > There is no committee vote available for the Senate version of the bill at > this time. > > Conatact members of the Senate and ask them to vote for HB 923 and SB 650. > Information about Maryland State Senators is listed by County via this link: > http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/07leg/html/gaco.html > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 22 07:12:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2MCClie013936; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:12:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2MCCkW3013927; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:12:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02d101c2f06e$45eaf4d0$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Right-of-Way Violations Penalties Bill (HB1114 / SB719) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:26:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FYI: ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:19 AM Subject: ABATE: Right-of-Way Violations Penalties Bill (HB1114 / SB719) > Right-of-Way Violations Penalties Bill (HB1114 / SB719) > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/hb1114.htm > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/sb0719.htm > > Hearings were held for both the House of Delegates and Senate versions of > the bill. The House of Delegates hearing for HB 1114 was on March 18 at 1 > pm in the Judiciary committee. The Senate hearing for SB 791 was on March > 19 at 1 pm in the Judicial Proceedings committee. > > Contact members of the House of Delegates Judiciary committee and ask them > to vote for HB 1114. > Judiciary committee members listing: > http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/com/05jud.html > > Contact members of the Senate Judicial Proceedings committee and ask them to > vote for SB 719. > Judicial Proceeding committee members listing: > http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/05sen/html/com/05judp.html > > These bills provide for increased penalties for right-of-way violations when > the violation contributes to an accident that results in bodily injury or > death of an another person. > > Under current law, the penalty for violating the right-of-way of another > vehicle is $60 and one point against the offenders' license. Even when a > right-of-way violation is combined with another charge like negligent > driving, the maximum fines and penalties for both charges would be $630 and > seven points. > > In many accidents of this nature, law enforcement and the courts cannot > justify a higher charge that would include more severe penalties and the > violators are given only minimal fines and penalties. This bill seeks to > give the courts the tools they need to penalize violators appropriately when > serious injury or death occurs. > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 22 07:12:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2MCCwie014263; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:12:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2MCCwFF014256; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:12:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02d901c2f06e$4cba9400$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Helmet Bill (SB371) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:26:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FYI: ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:23 AM Subject: ABATE: Helmet Bill (SB371) > Helmet Bill (SB371) > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/sb0371.htm > > The hearing for this bill was conducted several weeks ago. We are waiting > for a vote from the Judicial Proceedings committee. > > Members of the Judicial Proceedings Committee are listed below. > > * Indicates a sponsor of SB371. > > Brian E. Frosh, District 16, Montgomery > Chair (410) 841-3124, (301) 858-3124 > e-mail: brian_frosh@XXXXXX > > Leo E. Green, District 23, Prince George's > Vice-Chair (410) 841-3631, (301) 858-3631 > e-mail: leo_green@XXXXXX > > James Brochin, District 42, Baltimore County > (410) 841-3648, (301) 858-3648 > e-mail: jim_brochin@XXXXXX > > Jennie M. Forehand, District 17, Montgomery > (301) 858-3134, (410) 841-3134 > e-mail: jennie_forehand@XXXXXX > > Robert J. Garagiola, District 15, Montgomery > (301) 858-3169, (410) 841-3169 > e-mail: rob_garagiola@XXXXXX > > * John A. Giannetti, Jr., District 21, Anne Arundel & Prince George's > (301) 858-3141, (410) 841-3141 > e-mail: john_giannetti@XXXXXX > > * Larry E. Haines, District 5, Baltimore County, Carroll > (410) 841-3683, (301) 858-3683 > e-mail: larry_haines@XXXXXX > > Ralph M. Hughes, District 40, Baltimore City > (410) 841-3656, (301) 858-3656 > e-mail: ralph_hughes@XXXXXX > > * Nancy Jacobs, District 34, Cecil & Harford > (410) 841-3158, (301) 858-3158 > e-mail: nancy_jacobs@XXXXXX > > Philip C. Jimeno, District 31, Anne Arundel > (410) 841-3658, (301) 858-3658 > e-mail: philip_jimeno@XXXXXX > > * Alex X. Mooney, District 3, Frederick & Washington > (301) 858-3575, (410) 841-3575 > e-mail: alex_mooney@XXXXXX > > * Indicates a sponsor of SB371. > > In addition to the numbers listed above, you may call the toll-free number > 1-800-492-7122 and provide the last four digits of the phone number to reach > a Senator. > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 22 08:10:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2MDAjie029680; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:10:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2MDAjUZ029670; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:10:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030322131038.11070.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 05:10:38 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: Virginia Riders DMV Sucks To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200303212055.ACU49880@ms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > [Dave] Nor will my idea. Someday, we'll have to > share a > beer or other beverage and lament our ideas which > have no > chance of succeeding... But let's make sure we > don't have > that beverage in a Fairfax establishment ! ;-) > Dave Yates > That is why I always have parties at my place, no worries about the man interfering with my alcoholic tendencies. ;-) ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 22 22:05:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2N35Aie010949; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:05:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2N354ni010938; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:05:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030322220037.0114d478@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:04:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Show results Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For anyone that didn't make it out to the Chantilly show today - GO SUNDAY! BMW and Buell have demo rides if you get in early enough to sign up. I rode two Beemers for about an hour . Went out 234 to Gum SPring Road and looped back up 50. Very fun. The show was much better than the Baltimore show I have been to in the past. Pretty much every manufacturer had a full assortment of bikes there in both buildings. Thousands of motorcycles in the parking lot. A number of good vendors. And a trial bike show that was pretty cool. $11. To Carl and others who went to Anitas only to be stood up - I signed up for a 2:30 demo ride, but a friend had to cancel his 1:00 so I stole his spot. I wish more vendors had demos set up. At the Hoot everyone had them from Aprillia to Triumph. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 23 09:24:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2NEOBie000890; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:24:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2NEO88d000875; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:24:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030323142330.73138.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 06:23:30 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Show results To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030322220037.0114d478@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll second that. I could not get any demo rides since I was on a tight schedule, limited babysitting. It was a good show with plenty of vendors and manufacturer reps. Decent deals on gear too, except the Coleman booth. From what I was told anyway, I did not step foot in it. It definately got crowded in the afternoon. So if you are reading this before 10am, hurry your butt up there. Todd --- Troutman wrote: > For anyone that didn't make it out to the Chantilly > show today - GO > SUNDAY! BMW and Buell have demo rides if you get in > early enough to sign > up. I rode two Beemers for about an hour . Went > out 234 to Gum SPring > Road and looped back up 50. Very fun. > > The show was much better than the Baltimore show I > have been to in the > past. Pretty much every manufacturer had a full > assortment of bikes there > in both buildings. Thousands of motorcycles in the > parking lot. A number > of good vendors. And a trial bike show that was > pretty cool. $11. > > To Carl and others who went to Anitas only to be > stood up - I signed up for > a 2:30 demo ride, but a friend had to cancel his > 1:00 so I stole his > spot. I wish more vendors had demos set up. At the > Hoot everyone had them > from Aprillia to Triumph. > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 23 09:38:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2NEcLie004714; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:38:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2NEcKFf004699; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:38:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030323093510.00b68bc8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:38:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Show results In-Reply-To: <20030323142330.73138.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030322220037.0114d478@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:23 AM 3/23/2003, you wrote: >I'll second that. I could not get any demo rides since >I was on a tight schedule, limited babysitting. It was >a good show with plenty of vendors and manufacturer >reps. Decent deals on gear too, except the Coleman >booth. From what I was told anyway, I did not step >foot in it. It definately got crowded in the >afternoon. So if you are reading this before 10am, >hurry your butt up there. > >Todd what did they have in the North hall? We only went into the South hall before we had to take off. They had a *real* cute honey in the South hall hawking exhaust cans for crotch rockets. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm. Anyway, anyone else notice the abundance of our local constabulary on Rt28? Tons of sport bikes, great weather, demo rides, bike show, lots of traffic enforcement. Coincidence? I don't think so. ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 23 13:26:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2NIQ4ie009363; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:26:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2NIQ3Z3009353; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:26:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7DFC3D.854BB717@carlparker.com> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:26:05 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: VRTP requirements??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Ya'llz Was trying to find the requirements for VA MSF instructors in some of the back posts but no luck. Anyone have any info on this? Thanks, The Carl who is also Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 23 14:49:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2NJn6ie015640; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:49:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2NJn5RW015630; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:49:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030323144655.0114d4b8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:49:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Show results In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030323093510.00b68bc8@pop.east.cox.net> References: <20030323142330.73138.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030322220037.0114d478@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:38 AM 3/23/2003, Aki Damme wrote: >what did they have in the North hall? We only went into the South hall >before we had to take off. They had a *real* cute honey in the South hall >hawking exhaust cans for crotch rockets. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm. Anyway, anyone >else notice the abundance of our local constabulary on Rt28? Tons of >sport bikes, great weather, demo rides, bike show, lots of traffic >enforcement. Coincidence? I don't think so. ;-) One had Yamaha, Aprillia, Moto Guzi, Triumph, BMW and a ton of vendors. The other had Honda, Harley, Suzuki and a bunch of vendors. I actually only saw a couple of cops Saturday. 28 was PACKED with traffic. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 23 19:02:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2O02aie023737; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:02:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2O02Yfe023726; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:02:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004801c2f198$b2c6ef20$ef2b2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Leon's circles Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:01:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I attended Leon's circles today, and managed to shave a few seconds off my time through Leon's demonic circle drill by the time the afternoon ended. I was in the hunt to get close to the bicycle times. :) Met a couple of listers as well and scrubbed off the chicken strips and explore the edges of the Bridgestones a little on the 50' figure eights. Enjoyable time and a nice spring "tune-up." Thanks Leon! Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 23 20:50:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2O1obie032362; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:50:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2O1oa9l032352; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:50:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.83.223.127] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tank bag conversion Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:39:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 01:39:06.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[285BB880:01C2F1A6] How hard would it be to make a strapped tank bag into a magnetic one? One of the fasteners on mine broke this weekend. I like the bag itself, but now think I'd rather have a magnetic one. Anyone tried this? Where would one get large magnets? Thanks. Rich '02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 23 22:49:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2O3ndie006372; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:49:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2O3naNh006362; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:49:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030323224632.011554b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:47:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: tank bag conversion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A company on eBay sells rare earth magnetics fairly cheaply. I bought several varieties a few months ago for some home projects. They have amazing strength and compact size. I'm sure you could sew them into a tankbag pretty easily. The tiny (half a dime) size holds 15lbs. My large one is about the size of your fist and can hold an engine block according to the example pics they have. Impossible to pull directly off of a big hunk of metal - have to slide it off! At 08:39 PM 3/23/2003, you wrote: >How hard would it be to make a strapped tank bag into a magnetic one? One >of the fasteners on mine broke this weekend. I like the bag itself, but >now think I'd rather have a magnetic one. Anyone tried this? Where would >one get large magnets? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 23 23:23:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2O4NDie010251; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:23:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2O4NBOP010236; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:23:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49279@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'rich hall '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: tank bag conversion Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:33:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hard drives. Find some old drives that are no good or too small that people are willing to give away. The magnets that drive the arms are incredibly powerful, and there's 2 in each drive. I guarantee 4 would hold the tankbag with anything in it without a problem. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: rich hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 3/23/03 8:39 PM Subject: tank bag conversion How hard would it be to make a strapped tank bag into a magnetic one? One of the fasteners on mine broke this weekend. I like the bag itself, but now think I'd rather have a magnetic one. Anyone tried this? Where would one get large magnets? Thanks. Rich '02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 01:15:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2O6FOie014595; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 01:15:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2O6FNcm014585; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 01:15:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 01:16:32 -0500 Subject: carb problem solved To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: suzuki-l@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A while back I asked for help with a persistent carb overflow problem: "Carb problem. Bike is a 1981 CB650. Problem: all four carbs overflow and quickly flood engine. Found one bad (weak spring) float needle, but replacing that had no effect. Carbs are clean and bike is low mileage and otherwise in good condition. No obvious float needle/seat problem (no corrosion or damage in seat, no visible defect or ridge on needle), and everything moves smoothly. Plastic floats are ok. Seats are press-fit. Normal fuel flow is unusual (fuel from on/off/reserve petcock goes to remote vacuum-operated valve on # 4 carb) but seems to work properly. In any case float shut off should prevent overflow---but doesn)B’t. Can it be something OTHER than a sticking float or bad needle/seat? I can't think of anything else." Turns out there were two simultaneous and different carb problems. One was the weak-spring float needle mentioned previously. The other was a second float needle that was leaking past its seat. This one looked good even under a magnifying lens, was clean, was the same height as the other needles, and the float moved freely. Finally figured it out by taking the carbs out (again), draining and inverting them, and sucking through the gas inlet spigot via a hose, discovering that one float needle didn)B’t seal. It moved fine by hand, but snagged open when the float alone tried to close it. I)B’m guessing that this second problem occurred as a result of draining the floatbowls, allowing the float needle to drop and become slightly cocked (tapping the carb did not free it). Thanks for the numerous suggestions. --garcia )B“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)B” Edward Abbey "Regime change begins at home." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 06:04:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OB45ie022048; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:04:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OB44wa022038; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:04:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Show results Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:00:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030322220037.0114d478@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030322220037.0114d478@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303240600161E.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Saturday 22 March 2003 22:04, Troutman wrote: > For anyone that didn't make it out to the Chantilly show today - GO > SUNDAY! BMW and Buell have demo rides if you get in early enough to sign > up. I rode two Beemers for about an hour . Went out 234 to Gum SPring > Road and looped back up 50. Very fun. > > The show was much better than the Baltimore show I have been to in the > past. Pretty much every manufacturer had a full assortment of bikes there > in both buildings. Thousands of motorcycles in the parking lot. A number > of good vendors. And a trial bike show that was pretty cool. $11. > Oh yea. We found the V-Star (650) and Rita sat on it. She also sat on the Silverado and the Classic. She liked the straight 650 without the dressing. It sat very low to the ground (she's 5'2" and could put both feet down flat). I suggested that we could get the Silverado and lower it. We'll have to see how that works. I hit all of the folks who make goggles and was able to try them on. I found a pair of aviator replicas that worked really well. I wore them this morning and the peripheral vision was much improved over the goggles I bought last summer. > To Carl and others who went to Anitas only to be stood up - I signed up for > a 2:30 demo ride, but a friend had to cancel his 1:00 so I stole his > spot. I wish more vendors had demos set up. At the Hoot everyone had them > from Aprillia to Triumph. > Rita's back muscles were spasming so she drove over while I rode the bike. We got there at around 11:30 or so and made Anita's at about 2:30. We were a bit disappointed. I went to Anita's back when I worked at GTSI lo these many years ago (geeze, about 13). The food quality has gone way down. But we were there. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 06:06:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OB6Nie023906; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:06:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OB6N2P023898; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:06:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7E1E48.21708B6D@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:51:20 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Parker CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: VRTP requirements??? References: <3E7DFC3D.854BB717@carlparker.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Parker wrote: > Hey Ya'llz > > Was trying to find the requirements for VA MSF instructors in some of > the back posts but no luck. Anyone have any info on this? > > Thanks, > The Carl who is also Carl Successful completion of the MSF Instructors Program, a 4 weekend course. The final weekend is practice teaching with a class of novices. The RiderCoach card is a national certification. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 06:14:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OBEiie025797; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:14:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OBEi7L025786; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:14:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7EE867.8F824114@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:13:43 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: garcia oliver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: carb problem solved References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit garcia oliver wrote: > A while back I asked for help with a persistent carb overflow problem: > > "Carb problem. Bike is a 1981 CB650. Problem: all four carbs overflow > and quickly flood engine. Found one bad (weak spring) float needle, but > replacing that had no effect. Carbs are clean and bike is low mileage and > otherwise in good condition. No obvious float needle/seat problem (no > corrosion or damage in seat, no visible defect or ridge on needle), and > everything moves smoothly. Plastic floats are ok. Seats are press-fit. > > Normal fuel flow is unusual (fuel from on/off/reserve petcock goes to > remote vacuum-operated valve on # 4 carb) but seems to work properly. In > any case float shut off should prevent overflow---but doesn)B’t. > > Can it be something OTHER than a sticking float or bad needle/seat? I > can't think of anything else." > > Turns out there were two simultaneous and different carb problems. One > was the weak-spring float needle mentioned previously. The other was a > second float needle that was leaking past its seat. This one looked good > even under a magnifying lens, was clean, was the same height as the other > needles, and the float moved freely. Finally figured it out by taking the > carbs out (again), draining and inverting them, and sucking through the > gas inlet spigot via a hose, discovering that one float needle didn)B’t > seal. It moved fine by hand, but snagged open when the float alone tried > to close it. I)B’m guessing that this second problem occurred as a result > of draining the floatbowls, allowing the float needle to drop and become > slightly cocked (tapping the carb did not free it). ??? A needle should not be able to fall far enough to get cocked. Are you sure you have the correct needles installed? Free motion of the floats/needles is good, but proper adjustment of float hieght is required. Check that and adjust. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 06:18:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OBIrie029537; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:18:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OBIrnT029531; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:18:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7EE95F.E266C32@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:17:51 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Show results References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030322220037.0114d478@mail.troutman.org> <0303240600161E.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Oh yea. We found the V-Star (650) and Rita sat on it. She also sat on the > Silverado and the Classic. She liked the straight 650 without the dressing. > It sat very low to the ground (she's 5'2" and could put both feet down flat). > I suggested that we could get the Silverado and lower it. We'll have to see > how that works. > > I hit all of the folks who make goggles and was able to try them on. I found > a pair of aviator replicas that worked really well. I wore them this morning > and the peripheral vision was much improved over the goggles I bought last > summer. Gargoyles? Or some such spelling mix of gargoyle and google. A fellow RiderCoach told me about them, said they were like bullitproof (lexan?). Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 06:30:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OBU3ie000842; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:30:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OBU3fG000832; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:30:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7E5AE3.F11189B3@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:09:55 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Parker CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: VRTP requirements??? References: <3E7DFC3D.854BB717@carlparker.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Parker wrote: > Hey Ya'llz > > Was trying to find the requirements for VA MSF instructors in some of > the back posts but no luck. Anyone have any info on this? > > Thanks, > The Carl who is also Carl Successful completion of the MSF Instructors Program, a 4 weekend course. The final weekend is practice teaching with a class of novices. The RiderCoach card is a national certification. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 06:38:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OBcYie004648; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:38:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OBcYbj004642; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:38:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Show results Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:35:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030322220037.0114d478@mail.troutman.org> <0303240600161E.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E7EE95F.E266C32@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E7EE95F.E266C32@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303240635031H.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 24 March 2003 06:17, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > Oh yea. We found the V-Star (650) and Rita sat on it. She also sat on the > > Silverado and the Classic. She liked the straight 650 without the > > dressing. It sat very low to the ground (she's 5'2" and could put both > > feet down flat). I suggested that we could get the Silverado and lower > > it. We'll have to see how that works. > > > > I hit all of the folks who make goggles and was able to try them on. I > > found a pair of aviator replicas that worked really well. I wore them > > this morning and the peripheral vision was much improved over the goggles > > I bought last summer. > > Gargoyles? Or some such spelling mix of gargoyle and google. A fellow > RiderCoach told me about them, said they were like bullitproof (lexan?). > Nope. Go to http://www.classicgoggles.com and click on "Halcyon". I bought the Mark 49. I've looked at quite a few in the past year and havn't found any that fit like I liked. I didn't want to just buy a set for 100 bucks and find they didn't fit either. My facial features don't lend themselves well to the glasses with the foam around them. I have a nice eye ridge, long skinny nose and probably normal cheekbones but which are set back. With the ones I bought last year, the nose piece pinched the bridge of the nose pretty badly. The lack of good peripheral vision scared me and I found myself turning lots more than I did before. Others I've look at leave an unacceptable air gap on the bottom. These things are lenses sewn into leather. The nose piece is leather so there's no pinching. There is some pressure though but at passing speed this morning, it felt very comfortable. The ride this morning was very good. I'll have to remember to blow my nose better before leaving though. The nose piece presses down and any blockage is very noticable (sorry for those having breakfast and reading this :-) > Bill Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 06:56:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OButie008458; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:56:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OBut1q008448; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:56:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7EF250.A2E23E58@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:56:01 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Show results References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030322220037.0114d478@mail.troutman.org> <0303240600161E.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E7EE95F.E266C32@patriot.net> <0303240635031H.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > I've looked at quite a few in the past year and havn't found any that fit > like I liked. I didn't want to just buy a set for 100 bucks and find they > didn't fit either. > > My facial features don't lend themselves well to the glasses with the foam > around them. I have a nice eye ridge, long skinny nose and probably normal > cheekbones but which are set back. > > With the ones I bought last year, the nose piece pinched the bridge of the > nose pretty badly. The lack of good peripheral vision scared me and I found > myself turning lots more than I did before. Others I've look at leave an > unacceptable air gap on the bottom. > > These things are lenses sewn into leather. The nose piece is leather so > there's no pinching. There is some pressure though but at passing speed this > morning, it felt very comfortable. > > The ride this morning was very good. I'll have to remember to blow my nose > better before leaving though. The nose piece presses down and any blockage is > very noticable (sorry for those having breakfast and reading this :-) Is that as bad as a allergy season primed, leaky sinuses, full bore cleanout sneeze inside a full face helmet? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 07:07:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OC7Uie012240; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:07:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OC7T9N012230; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:07:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Show results Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:03:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030322220037.0114d478@mail.troutman.org> <0303240635031H.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E7EF250.A2E23E58@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E7EF250.A2E23E58@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0303240703581I.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 24 March 2003 06:56, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > The ride this morning was very good. I'll have to remember to blow my > > nose better before leaving though. The nose piece presses down and any > > blockage is very noticable (sorry for those having breakfast and reading > > this :-) > > Is that as bad as a allergy season primed, leaky sinuses, full bore > cleanout sneeze inside a full face helmet? > LOL. Been there. I think this is better since I can freely sneeze. Doing yardwork is just as bad. We raked leaves yesterday which drove Rita nuts. She was sneezing and blowing her nose all day. My allergies are mainly oriented around Red Oak > Bill Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 07:46:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OCkAie016130; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:46:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OCkAhC016120; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:46:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Aki Damme'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Show results Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:45:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I had a blast. I did see that girl at the micron exhaust booth. WOW! I rode down with about 15 sport bikes. That trials demo was cool. Got a couple free shirts and got to hang out and talk to a lot of fellow bikers. Did any one see the boss hoss in the parking lot? -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:38 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Show results At 09:23 AM 3/23/2003, you wrote: >I'll second that. I could not get any demo rides since >I was on a tight schedule, limited babysitting. It was >a good show with plenty of vendors and manufacturer >reps. Decent deals on gear too, except the Coleman >booth. From what I was told anyway, I did not step >foot in it. It definately got crowded in the >afternoon. So if you are reading this before 10am, >hurry your butt up there. > >Todd what did they have in the North hall? We only went into the South hall before we had to take off. They had a *real* cute honey in the South hall hawking exhaust cans for crotch rockets. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm. Anyway, anyone else notice the abundance of our local constabulary on Rt28? Tons of sport bikes, great weather, demo rides, bike show, lots of traffic enforcement. Coincidence? I don't think so. ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 09:24:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OEO6ie020529; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:24:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OEO5iT020519; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:24:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7F14CF.8CA9CC28@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:23:11 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Oops, there goes my poser points! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh the horror! A non-Harley attachment to my Hawg! I'll be banished from poser alley fer sure. Problem, a desire for a tail trunk. Bigger problem, even the scuffed, used Harley tail trunks (Tour-Pak-tm) on Ebay were going for mega-bucks. So I rummaged thru my garage from hell and - YES! The old Rack Factory trunk I had on my `81 Suzuki! Lock is missing, stress cracks in the corner of the lid, and front hinges won't work. I get busy, fix cracks, install new lock, drill out hinge rivits and install them for a side opening. It works! Kewl. I used a piece of 5 mil, 5 ply marine plywood stiffened with fiberglass for the base plate. Hmm... Gonna be tough to get the seat off without removing the trunk, it's held on with a single rear bolt. Trunk is some kinda ABS, heat moldable. So I find a pipe and a propane torch and light her off! Yep, heat formed a U shaped notch on the lower front of the trunk to clear the seat attachment. Kewl! I've trashed the last few poser points I had, but the trunk will be perfect for carting neatly folded dress up clothes to Floridumb this weekend. I'm attending an event that SWMBO sez requires a coat and tie - eek! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 09:27:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OERrie026387; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:27:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OERr0Q026380; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:27:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Oops, there goes my poser points! Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 9:27:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030324142746.XBLP24258.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> > > From: "William J. Huson" > Date: 2003/03/24 Mon AM 09:23:11 EST > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Oops, there goes my poser points! > > Oh the horror! A non-Harley attachment to my Hawg! I'll be banished > from poser alley fer sure. No problem! Just swing by Patriot and buy a stick on HD metal eagle emblem that goes on the back of the back rests, center that puppy on the back of the trunk and violia! Custom Harley trunk! People will think it's a new accessory from the '03 line. ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 09:35:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OEZqie030265; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:35:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OEZpHM030250; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:35:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <196.17bb3a5d.2bb071ba@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:35:38 EST Subject: Re: Oops, there goes my poser points! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/24/2003 9:24:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Floridumb this > weekend. I'm attending an event that SWMBO sez requires a coat and tie Floridiotville _and_ a coat and tie? Your poser points were shot to hell anyhow! Living in NC near the BRP I developed a severe allergy to having a Floridiot (Common NC term) in front of me. (Makes it damn hard to ride in FL) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 09:50:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OEo4ie001670; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:50:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OEo32o001644; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:50:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7F1AE5.A823AD@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:49:09 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adamme1@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Oops, there goes my poser points! References: <20030324142746.XBLP24258.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > From: "William J. Huson" > > Date: 2003/03/24 Mon AM 09:23:11 EST > > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > > Subject: Oops, there goes my poser points! > > > > Oh the horror! A non-Harley attachment to my Hawg! I'll be banished > > from poser alley fer sure. > > No problem! Just swing by Patriot and buy a stick on HD metal eagle emblem that goes on the back of the back rests, center that puppy on the back of the trunk and violia! Custom Harley trunk! People will think it's a new accessory from the '03 line. ;-) > > cheers, > -aki I'd never get away wiht that - no lights - gotta have lights! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 09:58:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OEwtie005446; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:58:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OEwt5e005437; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:58:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7F1CF8.E2B7D9B0@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:58:01 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oops, there goes my poser points! References: <196.17bb3a5d.2bb071ba@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/24/2003 9:24:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Floridumb this > > weekend. I'm attending an event that SWMBO sez requires a coat and tie > > Floridiotville _and_ a coat and tie? > Your poser points were shot to hell anyhow! > Living in NC near the BRP I developed a severe allergy to having a Floridiot > (Common NC term) in front of me. (Makes it damn hard to ride in FL) > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Oh yeah, those huge geezermobiles driven by blue hairs. Danger - danger! And I'll be in Sarasota = geezerville. The occasion is my aunt & uncles 60th anniversary and my aunt's 80th b-day. With all those portable oxygen containers it will be a no smoking event for sure. Hey, it's a good excuse for a long putt! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 10:03:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OF3vie009210; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:03:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OF3vY1009200; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:03:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: "William J. Huson" CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: Oops, there goes my poser points! Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:03:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030324150350.WWEJ2793.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> > > From: "William J. Huson" > Date: 2003/03/24 Mon AM 09:49:09 EST > To: adamme1@XXXXXX > CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: Oops, there goes my poser points! > > adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > From: "William J. Huson" > > > Date: 2003/03/24 Mon AM 09:23:11 EST > > > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > > > Subject: Oops, there goes my poser points! > > > > > > Oh the horror! A non-Harley attachment to my Hawg! I'll be banished > > > from poser alley fer sure. > > > > No problem! Just swing by Patriot and buy a stick on HD metal eagle emblem that goes on the back of the back rests, center that puppy on the back of the trunk and violia! Custom Harley trunk! People will think it's a new accessory from the '03 line. ;-) > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > I'd never get away wiht that - no lights - gotta have lights! > > Bill nah...just duct tape some tassles on the corners..that'll impress those that don't know any better, which is about 99%of the poser population anyway. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 10:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OFJxie013062; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:19:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OFJw1O013052; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:19:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:18:21 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tank bag conversion MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0034472A.7227E603.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I converted a velcro to your leg map pocket to a magnetic one. Does that count? ;-) Actually, I probably did a little overkill on it. I went to the Home Depot and bought four 50lb rated flat magnets with metal backs for the job. They have a hole in the center for screwing them to things. I used it to stitch them inside the map pocket. That suckers not going anywhere. They sell stronger rated magnets that I'm sure would work for what you want. Just make sure they have the metal back housing on them so that the magnetism doesn't come the wrong way and f#$k up anything you have in the bag. =8-0 Scooter In a message dated 3/23/2003 8:39:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > > > How hard would it be to make a strapped tank bag into a magnetic one? One > of the fasteners on mine broke this weekend. I like the bag itself, but now > think I'd rather have a magnetic one. Anyone tried this? Where would one > get large magnets? > Thanks. > Rich > '02 SVS > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 10:37:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OFbWie015061; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:37:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OFbV1Z015051; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:37:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7F2603.27C52C5E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:36:36 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adamme1@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Oops, there goes my poser points! References: <20030324150350.WWEJ2793.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > nah...just duct tape some tassles on the corners..that'll impress those that don't know any better, which is about 99%of the poser population anyway. ;-) > > -aki Speaking of tassels... I'm working on a Road Glide fairing for the scoot and it has these empty holes. I figure the sterio on is a good storage place = glove box, and the the left seaker bay would be a good bottle of water holder. But four 2" instrument bays? Okay, I have tow instruments in mind, and I'm thinking the remaining 2" holes, one on each side would be perfect for *drum roll* pasties with tassels! As in tittie bar dancer pasties! Anyone know where I can buy those? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 10:46:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OFkYie016964; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:46:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OFkY8V016954; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:46:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <24.3aa69760.2bb08251@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:46:25 EST Subject: Re: Oops, there goes my poser points! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/24/2003 9:59:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Hey, it's a good excuse for a long > putt! Leaving FL is a better one! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 10:49:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OFneie020713; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:49:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OFnd1W020707; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:49:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:49:28 EST Subject: Re: Oops, there goes my poser points! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/24/2003 10:38:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > As in tittie bar dancer pasties! Anyone know where I can buy those? >From an exotic dancer? Dated one many years ago, a strange experience.... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 11:30:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OGU9ie024708; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:30:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OGU8xZ024698; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:30:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa9pMeHLtOWrnk4K6Nb1OPkOYM+bX3/6QV5gt7xML3eHQEWM3GDEixXXmRnxt6dhU4= From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Oops, there goes my poser points! Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:30:07 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2300@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F45F8@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Buy? Sorry, you have to *earn* those. They're kinda like warfare pins in the military. --jon ----- William J. Huson asked: > As in tittie bar dancer pasties! Anyone know where I can buy those? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 11:50:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OGoBie028550; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:50:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OGoAgi028540; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:50:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Show results - with pictures X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:49:58 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640932F@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Show results Thread-Index: AcLw6SHQGYuAEjN6Qbusl/WKxZmGZgBOyOFA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2OGo9ie028528 I went to the show on Saturday. I used it as a pitstop during a day of riding. (I had no idea how completely straight I66 is in those parts :( ) It was fun to sit on different bikes, but I hoped to find more sportbike aftermarket parts vendors. There were very few. Here are the photos: http://witold.org/photos/motorcycle/wdc_show/motorcycle_show.html Witold > The show was much better than the Baltimore show I have been > to in the > past. Pretty much every manufacturer had a full assortment > of bikes there > in both buildings. Thousands of motorcycles in the parking > lot. A number > of good vendors. And a trial bike show that was pretty cool. $11. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 11:52:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OGq7ie032297; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:52:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OGq727032293; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:52:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030324165204.74597.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:52:04 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Cycle Sport's New Name? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm sure someone here can tell me the new(ish) name of Cycle Sport in Herndon. If someone has their phone number, that would be great too. Thanks! Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 12:46:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OHkcie005998; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:46:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OHkZ1o005983; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:46:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle Sport's New Name? Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:34:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 17:34:46.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9BDD0E0:01C2F22B] Champion 703-471-6990 >From: Chris Weaver >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Cycle Sport's New Name? >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:52:04 -0800 (PST) > >I'm sure someone here can tell me the new(ish) name of >Cycle Sport in Herndon. If someone has their phone >number, that would be great too. > >Thanks! >Chris Weaver > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 12:59:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OHxxie007938; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:59:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OHxwPL007928; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:59:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E7F4767.A2627DE2@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:59:03 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Strang CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Oops, there goes my poser points! References: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2300@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yipes! SWMBOed: Where'd ya get those? Me: From Bambi. She made me pluck them off with my teeth! Residents of Northern Virginia: WHOA! Wazzat an earthquake or did DC just get nuked? Jon Strang wrote: > Buy? Sorry, you have to *earn* those. They're kinda like warfare pins > in the military. > > --jon > > ----- William J. Huson asked: > > As in tittie bar dancer pasties! Anyone know where I can buy those? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 13:25:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OIPbie013677; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:25:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OIPaTJ013667; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:25:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , Subject: Re: RE: Show results - with pictures Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:25:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030324182529.YTZE2793.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> what? No pictures of the Rune? That thing was a *monster*... -aki > > From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" > Date: 2003/03/24 Mon AM 11:49:58 EST > To: > Subject: RE: Show results - with pictures > > > I went to the show on Saturday. I used it as a pitstop during a day of riding. (I had no idea how completely straight I66 is in those parts :( ) It was fun to sit on different bikes, but I hoped to find more sportbike aftermarket parts vendors. There were very few. > > Here are the photos: http://witold.org/photos/motorcycle/wdc_show/motorcycle_show.html > > Witold > > > The show was much better than the Baltimore show I have been > > to in the > > past. Pretty much every manufacturer had a full assortment > > of bikes there > > in both buildings. Thousands of motorcycles in the parking > > lot. A number > > of good vendors. And a trial bike show that was pretty cool. $11. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 18:38:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2ONcrie022964; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:38:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ONcqO7022954; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:38:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030324233844.47391.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Circles - debrief. To: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <004801c2f198$b2c6ef20$ef2b2c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Attendees - from the neighborhood, Leon - two Ninja 250s. Horkster - Concours Leon's daughter Samanthe - bicycle Samanthe's friend Alexa - bicycle Samanthe's friend Taylor - bicycle. >From DC Cycles Paul - VFR 750 Judy - Ducati Han - CBR600 >From O'Grince Body shop Kevin - Ninja 250 (red '97) Greg - Ninja 250 (black '89) Jason - Harley Sportster Sebastian Danny Paul's right, the little girls on bicycles had amazing times on the circles. They improved from 40 seconds down to 30 second times and by the end of the day had to hang off the bicycles to keep the inside pedal from touching down. The DC cycles folks did a fair amount of riding, Paul made a lot of improvement both on lean angles on the large figure 8 and by the end of the day was very smooth around the small circles. Judy wasn't able to get around the small circles, the Duc didn't have the turning radius to make it to the right, the bars hit the windscreen limiting the turn in that direction. Han spent a lot of time on the 50' large circles and got the 600 leaned over pretty good by the end. Horkster scraped both footpegs on the Connie, grinding the buttons completely off and started working on the peg itself. He's also the only motorcycle to scrape pegs on the tight circles, he had that Connie leaned way over. He got down to 28 second times in the tight circles (Colin Fagan holds the record with around 26 seconds or so.) Horkster also got the only front wheel slide of the day on the large figure 8 and he recovered from it! Greg learned to hang off of his Ninja 250, he spend most of his time on the large figure 8. Once he got both footpegs down, he started hanging off the bike and was able to get around it faster without scraping parts. It was a lot of fun. I think I'll try to do this again on Sunday the 4th of May. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 19:31:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2P0Vkie002429; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:31:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2P0VjwO002422; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:31:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000401c2f265$ef2da580$0902a8c0@dell4100> From: "Anita Lauro" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030321214631.01146ab8@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Steve Broadstreet? Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:31:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Do you still read this list? :-) If so.. please email me at alauro@XXXXXX! Anita Lauro '02 BMW R1150R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 20:00:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2P10Hie008472; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:00:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2P10G86008462; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:00:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002701c2f266$9ff4c600$82815b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Show and Circles Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:36:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Leon said: It was a lot of fun. I think I'll try to do this again on Sunday the 4th of May. ------- For it. Sorry missed 'cause past times fine. Heavy scheduling last weekend, had to do the Show on Friday eve (sans demos but also crowd). Notables were much face time with eyeapple tourer dealers, complementary Zooke eyeglass treatment which lasted almost back to DC in later night drizzle/fog. Talk about propitious product test timing. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Careful. Know you were eyeing those other bods. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 21:40:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2P2eTie014915; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:40:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2P2eS65014905; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:40:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030325024021.65382.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:40:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Show and Circles To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <002701c2f266$9ff4c600$82815b0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Notables were much face time with eyeapple tourer dealers, > complementary Zooke eyeglass treatment which lasted almost back to DC in > later night drizzle/fog. Talk about propitious product test timing. Those guys were annoying! Every time I was within 10 yards of their booth they'd try to take my glasses. When I had to kill 10 minutes I finally let them go through their sell routine. Then decided I didn't want to get it. I know a good salesman is supposed to try to press to get a sale, but the guy who was trying to sell to me practially started begging. "Please, please buy it. Come on. Come on..." I stayed well clear of their booths after that. My glasses are already dirty again. Louis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 24 21:59:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2P2x0ie016855; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:59:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2P2x0TE016845; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:59:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030325025853.17371.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:58:53 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Looking for some GS500 parts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Specifically I'd like a V&H or Yoshimura exhaust, pre-96 GSXR rear shock and/or 37mm clip-ons. Thanks, Adam __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 08:04:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PD4Die031330; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:04:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PD47Po031320; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:04:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <011d01c2f2cf$00914e30$4300a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Weekend Bike Show Photos Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:03:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 For those of you who could not make it: http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/030323/index.htm Gary Foreman mailto:gforeman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 09:25:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PEPtie003517; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:25:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PEPqo4003507; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:25:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E806683.8070908@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:24:03 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Show results - with pictures (Rune fans) References: <20030324182529.YTZE2793.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20030324182529.YTZE2793.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary did a better job taking and indexing photos, but I got a nice one of the Rune. Check http://www.geocities.com/tdeboeser/sm-rside-rune.jpg and http://www.geocities.com/tdeboeser/r-side-rune.jpg NOTE: They are both BIG. sm-rside-rune.jpg is ~ 200k and r-side-rune.jpg is ~ 1.2megs I'll have others, indexed nicely soon. Tom de '98 VTR adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >what? No pictures of the Rune? That thing was a >*monster*... > >-aki > > > >>From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" >>Date: 2003/03/24 Mon AM 11:49:58 EST >>To: >>Subject: RE: Show results - with pictures >> >> >>I went to the show on Saturday. I used it as a pitstop during a day of riding. (I had no idea how completely straight I66 is in those parts :( ) It was fun to sit on different bikes, but I hoped to find more sportbike aftermarket parts vendors. There were very few. >> >>Here are the photos: http://witold.org/photos/motorcycle/wdc_show/motorcycle_show.html >> >>Witold >> >> >> >>>The show was much better than the Baltimore show I have been >>>to in the >>>past. Pretty much every manufacturer had a full assortment >>>of bikes there >>>in both buildings. Thousands of motorcycles in the parking >>>lot. A number >>>of good vendors. And a trial bike show that was pretty cool. $11. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 09:41:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PEfbie007437; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:41:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PEfaOf007422; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:41:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:55:51 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Show results - with pictures (Rune fans) In-Reply-To: <3E806683.8070908@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Tom de wrote: > Gary did a better job taking and indexing photos, but I got a nice one > of the Rune. > > Check > http://www.geocities.com/tdeboeser/sm-rside-rune.jpg > and > http://www.geocities.com/tdeboeser/r-side-rune.jpg "Sorry, this site is temporarily unavailable! The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information. Access to this site will be restored within an hour. Please try again later." If you guys need someone to host pics, let me know. If you send me fullsize pics, I can thumbnail/index them for you. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 09:51:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PEp4ie009354; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:51:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PEp4TI009343; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:51:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E806C64.2010703@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:49:08 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Show results - with pictures (Rune fans) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Strange. Two browsers both work for me... Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Tom de wrote: > > > >"Sorry, this site is temporarily unavailable! >The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data >transfer. Visit our help area for more information. >Access to this site will be restored within an hour. Please try again >later." > >If you guys need someone to host pics, let me know. If you send me >fullsize pics, I can thumbnail/index them for you. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 10:00:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PF0oie013175; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:00:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PF0ox2013165; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:00:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030325100006.02370e68@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:00:43 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Show results - with pictures (Rune fans) In-Reply-To: References: <3E806683.8070908@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed As a matter of fact, this stuff should go on the dc-cycles site! Get me a zip package and it can be posted immediately. At 09:55 AM 3/25/2003, you wrote: >On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Tom de wrote: > > > Gary did a better job taking and indexing photos, but I got a nice one > > of the Rune. > > > > Check > > http://www.geocities.com/tdeboeser/sm-rside-rune.jpg > > and > > http://www.geocities.com/tdeboeser/r-side-rune.jpg > >"Sorry, this site is temporarily unavailable! >The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data >transfer. Visit our help area for more information. >Access to this site will be restored within an hour. Please try again >later." > >If you guys need someone to host pics, let me know. If you send me >fullsize pics, I can thumbnail/index them for you. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 10:27:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PFRsie017099; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:27:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PFRrpB017089; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:27:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030325152725.27879.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:27:25 -0800 (PST) From: David Subject: Bike Security To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone have opinions on the Kryptonite chains/locks that are essentially large, heavy link chains? A friend bought one, but it doesn't look too strong - exposed links look like they could easily be cut. I bought a Kryptonite lock from Patriot Harley - it appears to be woven steel wire, covered in a heavy duty vinyl or some type of cover. Also - anyone know where to buy a ground anchor that would look like the one in this link (without ordering it from the UK)? Seems like it would be great to place this anchor in cement for added strength. http://www.rcms.freeuk.com/item98.htm Thanks for any help/opinions. One last thing - did anyone ride to Middleburg on Sat? I took my first ride there and saw a TON of cycles - didn't know if anyone was from Arlington to say hello to or ride with. Had a girl on the back this time, but would love folks to ride out there and to Skyline Drive on cruisers with! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 10:45:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PFj9ie023162; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:45:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PFj9Z2023152; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:45:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: David , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Security Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:45:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030325154502.IKPB2793.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Not the cheapest one in the basket but you can go to the Harley Website (www.harleydavidson.com) and search for part # 46123-99 and see if that fits the bill. Of course it's chrome, but I mean really...should there be any other color for a Harley part? ;-) -aki > > From: David > Date: 2003/03/25 Tue AM 10:27:25 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike Security > > Does anyone have opinions on the Kryptonite > chains/locks that are essentially large, heavy link > chains? A friend bought one, but it doesn't look too > strong - exposed links look like they could easily be > cut. I bought a Kryptonite lock from Patriot Harley - > it appears to be woven steel wire, covered in a heavy > duty vinyl or some type of cover. > > Also - anyone know where to buy a ground anchor that > would look like the one in this link (without ordering > it from the UK)? Seems like it would be great to > place this anchor in cement for added strength. > > http://www.rcms.freeuk.com/item98.htm > > Thanks for any help/opinions. > > One last thing - did anyone ride to Middleburg on Sat? > I took my first ride there and saw a TON of cycles - > didn't know if anyone was from Arlington to say hello > to or ride with. Had a girl on the back this time, > but would love folks to ride out there and to Skyline > Drive on cruisers with! > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 10:56:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PFuuie027001; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:56:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PFutQP026991; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:56:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E807BEB.60608@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:55:23 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Show results - with pictures (Rune fans) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >"Sorry, this site is temporarily unavailable! >The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data >transfer. > I shoulda looked closer... looks like a load issue... Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 11:10:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PGA3ie030934; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:10:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PGA3Mi030924; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:10:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'David'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Security Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:09:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I like my Kryptonite disk lock. I also have cable lock and u-lock haven't had any problem they also are pretty weather proof. -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:javelin_thrwr@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:27 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Security Does anyone have opinions on the Kryptonite chains/locks that are essentially large, heavy link chains? A friend bought one, but it doesn't look too strong - exposed links look like they could easily be cut. I bought a Kryptonite lock from Patriot Harley - it appears to be woven steel wire, covered in a heavy duty vinyl or some type of cover. Also - anyone know where to buy a ground anchor that would look like the one in this link (without ordering it from the UK)? Seems like it would be great to place this anchor in cement for added strength. http://www.rcms.freeuk.com/item98.htm Thanks for any help/opinions. One last thing - did anyone ride to Middleburg on Sat? I took my first ride there and saw a TON of cycles - didn't know if anyone was from Arlington to say hello to or ride with. Had a girl on the back this time, but would love folks to ride out there and to Skyline Drive on cruisers with! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 11:18:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PGI7ie002342; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:18:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PGI7ve002331; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:18:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E807F65.13DFB878@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:10:14 -0500 From: Carl Parker Reply-To: carl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DCCycles , Paul Wilson , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, Tim Morrow , "William J. Huson" Subject: Re: VRTP requirements and my biatchin'... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the responses ya'll. Unfortunately I've got a few performance awards recently so that may rule me out. Of course I got them because I'm an inconsiderate dangerous driver and not because the fookin' oinkers wanna fill their month end quotas. Oh well...fooked by da' man again cuz' I'd really love to be an instructor or at least take the training course. I got pulled over last week on Annandale Rd. cuz' my year sticker fell off my back plate. I give the cop my liscense and registration and he says, "Ok hold on Mr. Parker." 10 minutes later he comes back and says, "Are you aware that you're driving with expired tags." "No." I said. I've got both the tags updated on the front and rear plates as I'm sure to pay my dues. "Well the back plate still says 03 on it." "Well I've paid my registration fees and I know the 04 sticker is still on the front." Cop goes to look at the front tag, inspects around my car, checks my VIN, and goes back to his car. 5 minutes later.... "You know it's illegal to operate a vehicle with improperly displayed tags Mr. Parker." "Well I know I put it on, maybe I didn't clean the surface well enough and it fell off in the rain." "You need to get that taken care of as soon as possible." Then he points his flashlight around in my car..."What's this here?" pointing at my GPS that's mounted to the windshield...there's no way it's a radar detector. "Oh, that's just my GPS." "You get lost often." "Only on purpose." "What is that supposed to mean?" "I like to ride motorcycles." I said trying to make a joke...he didn't seem to amused. Pokin' his head in the window he says, "That GPS doesn't obstruct your view?" "Nope. Not at all." I'm getting pretty sick of this by now... "You sure?" "Yup." Cop goes back to his car and 1 minute later he hands me a warning. That's alright, only 20 minutes of wasting my time, causing a rubbernecking traffic jam, and fishing for a fine to give me a warning. At least in 3rd world countries you can bribe your way out of stupid tickets. It'd still prolly cost less in the long run. :) That's why I'ma gonna leave this place before they stick a fookin' radio tag on my ass like a bear. Oh wait I already pay to carry one around...it's called my cell phone...go figgur'. Thanks guys but I guess no instructor-ship for me. :( Carl Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 11:20:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PGKvie006149; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:20:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PGKuE1006143; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:20:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6E0E@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Security Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:20:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a Kryptonite U lock (their New York model) which I use to attach the wheel/frame to a length of chain. This site is full of nice anchors and locks you might want to check out: http://www.lockitt.com/lockdown.htm My apartment complex prohibits any type of permanent anchor so I went to Fisher's hardware in Springfield, bought a medium sized metal trashcan, four bags of concrete, a plastic mixing tub and a small shovel. I stopped at a contractor supply house in Newington, bought an 8 foot length of the biggest chain they carried and sank the last couple of feet into the trash can, filled it with concrete and voila, instant CBR paperweight. They may still steal my ride but they'll have to cut through a massive chain or get a hernia lifting the 320 pound anchor. Either way I should be able to at least wake up and get a round chambered by then anyway :) Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Tech Support: "Just call us back if there's a problem. We're open 24 hours." Customer: "Is that Eastern time?" Does anyone have opinions on the Kryptonite chains/locks that are essentially large, heavy link chains? Also - anyone know where to buy a ground anchor that would look like the one in this link (without ordering it from the UK)? Seems like it would be great to place this anchor in cement for added strength. http://www.rcms.freeuk.com/item98.htm Thanks for any help/opinions. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 11:36:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PGa2ie010051; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:36:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PGa18Y010041; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:36:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030325113520.02199968@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:35:56 -0500 To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Rune photos Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E807D30.8040305@us.didata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.dccycles.com/cbs2003/ cbs = chantilly baike show At 11:00 AM 3/25/2003, De Boeser, Thomas wrote: >Hi, > attached - a small photo and larger one. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 11:38:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PGcUie013854; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:38:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PGcUPs013847; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:38:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Bike Security Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:38:20 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409330@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bike Security Thread-Index: AcLy6qAXlDDAk85oTQa/oJJ4JB5j4AAAIMbw From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2PGcTie013830 I bought a Kryptonite Foggetaboutit chain+lock about 8 months ago. The lock that came with the chain is junk. It started to deteriorate and rust inside very quickly. I had to replace it a long time ago. The chain itself appears sturdy. I don't know how easy it would be to cut it. Lastly, the cloth cover over the chain has started to tear apart and it will be completely gone soon. I use the chain + Kryptonite U lock every day, and every night. I live in an apt complex and the bike stays outside (covered) and locked to an immovable object 98% of the time. During the day, the bike is locked and chained but it is not chained to an immovable object. There's lots of Capitol Hill cops around the area where I park, so I'm betting that prospective thieves will find an easier target. Witold > Does anyone have opinions on the Kryptonite > chains/locks that are essentially large, heavy link > chains? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 11:43:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PGhdie015863; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:43:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PGhdX9015853; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:43:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49280@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rune photos Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:53:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, standing next to it, you really get the sense of how huge that thing is. What I want to know is, who in the world besides Shaq can sit in the seat and actually reach the handlebars? It's like a 4' reach. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:36 AM > To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rune photos > > http://www.dccycles.com/cbs2003/ > > cbs = chantilly baike show > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 12:04:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PH4qie021687; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:04:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PH4ppK021677; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:04:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <020d01c2f2f0$fa35d520$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Leon Begeman" , "DC-CYCLES" References: <20030324233844.47391.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Circles - debrief. Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:06:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In case anyone is wondering what the "circles" are, here's a .pdf of an AutoCAD drawing done by yours truly. www.wilsonline.org/leonscircles.pdf Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" To: "DC-CYCLES" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 6:38 PM Subject: Circles - debrief. > Attendees - From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 12:13:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PHDHie025536; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:13:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PHDH1B025524; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:13:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030325171314.33490.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:13:14 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: ISO Race Take-offs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Do any of the racers/trackdayers on the list have a set of race takeoff tires for an SV650 for sale? I'd need a 160/60 17 rear tire and 120/60 17 front. I'll check the WERA board too to see if any of those folks have any available. Cheers, Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 12:16:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PHGGie031500; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:16:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PHGGET031494; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:16:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: Michael Lynch , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Rune photos Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:16:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030325171609.JEUT2793.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> got me..but you're right. That thing is *huge*. Not to mention that you're pretty much married to the exhaust system since it looks like it's integrated into the frame/side. I can't imagine accidently pointing it downhill into a curb and without reverse, you're doomed unless you get a gaggle of your friends to help you back it out. > > From: Michael Lynch > Date: 2003/03/25 Tue AM 11:53:24 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Rune photos > > Yeah, standing next to it, you really get the sense of how huge that thing > is. What I want to know is, who in the world besides Shaq can sit in the > seat and actually reach the handlebars? It's like a 4' reach. > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:36 AM > > To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Rune photos > > > > http://www.dccycles.com/cbs2003/ > > > > cbs = chantilly baike show > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 12:23:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PHNNie002972; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:23:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PHNNba002961; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:23:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Security Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:23:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2003 17:23:16.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[38B1DB30:01C2F2F3] Anyone regularly chain a bike to a street sign? I was wondering if the county wouldn't mind this? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 12:40:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PHesie006864; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:40:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PHeraC006854; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:40:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79f1d6f3301b448299e1d0b56390799e.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 1, 0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Circles - debrief. Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:40:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2PHeqie006837 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Wilson Sent: 3/25/2003 12:06:59 PM To: mriderleon@XXXXXX;DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Circles - debrief. > In case anyone is wondering what the "circles" are, here's a .pdf of an > AutoCAD drawing done by yours truly. > > www.wilsonline.org/leonscircles.pdf For another perspective, here's a pic from the circles event 3 or 4 years ago: http://users.vei.net/kirk/mc/kirkcircles1.jpg Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 12:42:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PHgrie006922; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:42:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PHgrvB006910; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:42:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Bike Security Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:42:45 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409331@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bike Security Thread-Index: AcLy82DfR95enra9R8ajMmD5BtUEigAAcIdg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "rich hall" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2PHgqie006898 At my local Giant, I usually ride my bike up on the sidewalk, and chain it to the barriers that prevent people from stealing shopping carts. In Foggy Bottom, I ride my bike up the sidewalk and chain it to the bicycle rack. (I also cover it) Never had a problem, even though I'm sure cops and security saw me. YMMV. -Witold > -----Original Message----- > From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:23 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Bike Security > > > Anyone regularly chain a bike to a street sign? > I was wondering if the county wouldn't mind this? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 16:41:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PLfdie016055; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:41:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PLfco2016045; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:41:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030325214135.73592.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Circles - debrief. To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <79f1d6f3301b448299e1d0b56390799e.kirk@vei.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kirk Roy wrote: > For another perspective, here's a pic from the > circles event 3 or 4 years ago: > http://users.vei.net/kirk/mc/kirkcircles1.jpg Didn't that yellow bike get leaned over about 45 degrees farther than that a couple of times that day? I seem to remember it was a Honda Hawk that did that on the large figure 8 a couple of times. That's the problem with getting old, I can remember a lot of stuff, I just can't get many of the details right. Leon. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 19:27:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2Q0RFie026661; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:27:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2Q0RER2026651; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:27:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030326002701.41090.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:27:01 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: My first ride of the season (long) To: compost@XXXXXX, CAMA@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As we all know, one is supposed to have properly winterized their bikes, put the battery on the charger, drained the carbs, change out the oil and put special winter air in the tires for the long cold sleep. Well I did none of that (except drain the carbs and gas tank) and left my '01 Kawasaki ZR-7s sit under a cover outside at a friend's (thanks Rob!) house for over 3 months. And we're supposed to start off the season with non-challenging, easy rides to get our skills back up to speed. Bah!!! Saturday I flew back to DC with my riding gear to fetch the bike. It was probably 65deg Sunday morning when I walked up to it, yanked the cover and turned the key on. Should have waited a few more seconds than I did for the fuel to fill the carbs on prime but cranked away and within 3 tries she fired and stayed running. I guess sealed batteries are great things! Air pressure was 36psi front (high) but the rear was spot on at 36. Wow, no leakage! Purring happily I shut her down after about 7 minutes, don the gear and head for the gas station 2+ miles away. I get 1/2 mile from the house and she's has run flat out of gas. Call my buddy back and we get a jerry can and fetch the fuel via cage. After church head down to Spotsylvania where I'm spending the night with my best friends and it's a 60 mile blast down the Interstate. Ug, I hate interstates but time is of the essense in this case. Monday morning dawns bright and blue and decently warm. But I'm packing (and wearing the vest) my Gerbings just in case. I follow a route more or less due westerly via US-33 and US-250 among other such greats as WV 15, 20, and 16 all the way across the great states of the Virginias. 500 miles of sheer bliss, curve after curve. Hairpin after Hairpin. Ridge after ridge, like 6 or 7 of them. Up, down, loop around, thru gravel over coal dust, mudslide and mid-corner stream, this is what riding a bike is about. one cheek hanging off, boot heels trying to find something to jam into. It all comes to an abrupt end in Ohio. Or I should say after crossing the bridge into Ohio. Unfortunately it's now 18:15 and I have an appointment to keep with a most generous couple of the HSTA's (Honda Sport Touring Association - the "honda" is historical artifact and no bearing on the actual makeup) Ohio Coordinator for a place to crash. I've never met them, and they don't have a clue who I am except that I'm a HSTA member. Yet they offer me dinner and a bed to sleep in. So regrettibly I have to use 4-lane divided highways and a jaunt on I-71 to get to Lebanon OH before the hour becomes inconsiderate. Otherwise my host assures there were some most excellent roads I could have taken. Still, twisty or not the terrain is no longer much more than mildly inclined. A couple of bratworsts and chips and some good conversation it's off to bed for a much needed sleep since I'd been up since 5am. Milage: somewhere north of 550 miles in 12 hours Rest: one 45min lunch stop and 5 gas / pee stops just long enough to do the business Thoughts: oh why do I have to live in Chicago??? 2nd day (Tuesday - today): Woke up at 6:20 which I hope wasn't too late for my hosts. Glass of orange juice and a slice of danish as morning start and off to hit the road. My host suggests I-75 and over to I-65 to Indy and angle toward Chicago. Filling up the tank I look at my GPS and wonder, why go S to go N and why am I even thinking about the Interstates? Local roads can't be that bad can they? Indeed they're not 1/2 bad! Out here in Oh/IN everything is either North/South or East/West which doesn't allow for much in the way of shortest path between two points but it's not too slow. Actually, I'm clocking an easy 65+mph in 55 zones on 2 lane roads and traffic is about nil. The scenery is constantly changing (well it's all pretty much farms), the gravel side-roads are interesting and ever so often there is a neat little town to change up the pace. Can I say it again? Interstates blow! County highways are great! All kinds of pavement changes can be noticed as I cross from county to county. The townsfolk probably don't see much in the way of brightly colored cycles and 'reflecto-man' riding thru town much. The kids love it. I smile and wave. Try that on an Interstate dogging 18-wheeler turbulence. Blech! It's getting onto 11:30, I gotta visit the can (curtesy of a 50oz Hydrapak) and the town of Delphi, IN is one of my way points, so let's give it a look. I throttle down to the 35mph limit and scan for that homey sort of place where the locals hang out and enjoy some good grub. Barely inside the limits I whistle by a makeshift sign "Stone House Restaurant and Bakery". U-turn! Into the church parking lot over to the alley. Well now, a homestylin' place run by some right friendly folk. Quaker I suspect from the bonnets. Could be mistaken for Amish but this ain't Amish country as I've been reading Quaker signs for the last hour. The food is classic home-cookin'. chicken noodles with mashed potatoes and carrots. Not 5-star quisine but it's HOT which is something I sorely need. I've been dodging and fighting my way thru the cold front sweeping across the mid-west and true to it's name it's COLD! Even though the radar showed rain, mercifully I didn't catch any. Wasn't chicken enough to plug in the vest but I was sure planning to at this next stop. Some home-made Rhubarb pie (as good as my mom used to make) which I haven't had in years to top it off and the world is looking right rosy. I chat up the patrons and turns out they have quite the rep with the locals and have for some time. Something must be right if they're open from 5:30 to 20:00 6 days a week! Even folk from the 'city' (Lafeyette) come out to walk along the trails and cap their physical exertion with carefull analyses of each morsel of fruit pie... I buy an assortment of cookies as a take-along and rejoin the march northward. At this point the terrain and the curves have pretty much run out. Even so I chose country-bumpin' roads to travel till I get to IL rt 1. Quite the trucker road that one and I decide that's enough and head onto I-55 and then 294 for the final dash back to Wheaton. Milage: 400 or so Time: 8 hours Thoughts: With all this open space to play in, how come none of the surveyers thought to get a little creative with paths of travel? I hate doding 18 wheelers and their turbulence. I still don't like Interstates. ===== "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 25 22:44:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2Q3ivie001235; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:44:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2Q3is18001224; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:44:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:40:40 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Busted! re: Gerlach Routing question To: DC Cycles Cc: Begeman Leon Message-id: <3E812138.319F9162@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5363E6266D206F49BE6BEBCD7408EA880EE0BD@XXXXXX> Leon Begeman asked the LD list: > > I know this has come up quite a bit in the past, but I never had a reason to > pay attention earlier. > > Suppose I wanted to ride from Lolo pass through Gerlach to the Golden Gate > Bridge. Map n Go seems to think that Jungo Road should be included on this > route. I recall that would make it a very memorable trip. What is the safe > and boring route through there? Behold! Proof that Leon is asking for routing advice to actually AVOID dirt roads??? First time for everything, I guess... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 26 07:57:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QCveie028734; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:57:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QCvcUh028720; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:57:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E81A387.5959E149@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:56:39 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Florida of bust! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And considering I'm on a Harley, bust is a possibility :-) Destination Sarasota, route plans kind of *whatever*. 2 1/2 days to wander down, 4 to get back, so I may get lost a few times. Who knows, I may be abducted by a buncha bikini babes! Har har, in my dreams. Gotta tie off a few loose ends today. I'm thinking throttle rocker, might go shopping, and I peeked at the oil this AM and went - EEEYewww! Forgot when I changed it last [head slap] so I'll pick up oil & filter and do that today. Y'all play nice while I'm gone, and stay safe... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 26 08:08:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QD89ie002396; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:08:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QD85Uj002381; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:08:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Florida of bust! Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:04:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E81A387.5959E149@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E81A387.5959E149@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03032608043824.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 26 March 2003 07:56, William J. Huson wrote: > And considering I'm on a Harley, bust is a possibility :-) > > Destination Sarasota, route plans kind of *whatever*. 2 1/2 days to > wander down, 4 to get back, so I may get lost a few times. Who knows, I > may be abducted by a buncha bikini babes! Har har, in my dreams. > Have fun. I'm trying to talk the wife into a week long ride to wherever (I'm thinking Canada). > Gotta tie off a few loose ends today. I'm thinking throttle rocker, > might go shopping, and I peeked at the oil this AM and went - EEEYewww! > Forgot when I changed it last [head slap] so I'll pick up oil & filter > and do that today. > I may be a Hawg newb but in putting 20k on mine for the past two years, I haven't seen the need of a throttle rocker yet. The little lock screw has worked great. Now maybe when I get to be as ...experienced... (yea, that's a good word) as you are, maybe it'll be a better idea. > Y'all play nice while I'm gone, and stay safe... > Watch out for the April bugs and keep the squeegie handy. > Bill Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 26 08:26:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QDQTie004348; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:26:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QDQTl5004338; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:26:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Florida or bust! In-reply-to: <3E81A387.5959E149@patriot.net> To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > Gotta tie off a few loose ends today. I'm thinking throttle rocker, I kinda think these are a mixed blessing. Good when you get it adjusted right, but, I found that adjustment is different for highway than it is for not. They seem to adjust only in one direction too... which kinda makes messing with them at speed, not so easy. OTOH, for the $10 or so they cost, they're worth every dime. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 26 08:32:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QDWqie006276; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:32:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QDWp36006266; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:32:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E81ABCD.FBE1940E@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:31:57 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Florida of bust! References: <3E81A387.5959E149@patriot.net> <03032608043824.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Have fun. I'm trying to talk the wife into a week long ride to wherever (I'm > thinking Canada). Canada is good in the summer. Don't do what I did, visit the Great White North at the end of September. Brrrr... > I may be a Hawg newb but in putting 20k on mine for the past two years, I > haven't seen the need of a throttle rocker yet. The little lock screw has > worked great. HA! The lock screw is in a very inconvenient location, I've never used it. Had a cruise device on my old Suzuki that had a thumb-flick lever to kick it off, that was cool. > Watch out for the April bugs and keep the squeegie handy. No need for a squeegie. My windscreen is low so I don't have to look thru it. Any bug that dies on my faceshied is a good source of emergency protien *lick*. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 26 09:47:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QElkie008526; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:47:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QEljxS008519; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:47:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Florida of bust! Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:44:19 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E81A387.5959E149@patriot.net> <03032608043824.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E81ABCD.FBE1940E@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E81ABCD.FBE1940E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03032609441927.01842@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 26 March 2003 08:31, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > Have fun. I'm trying to talk the wife into a week long ride to wherever > > (I'm thinking Canada). > > Canada is good in the summer. Don't do what I did, visit the Great White > North at the end of September. Brrrr... > I was going to visit in December but got sidetracked and never made it. Weather wise it looked ok and I have my electric gear which has worked to 8 degrees/[whatever] windchill (what is the windchill for 8 degrees at 75 mph?). > > I may be a Hawg newb but in putting 20k on mine for the past two years, I > > haven't seen the need of a throttle rocker yet. The little lock screw has > > worked great. > > HA! The lock screw is in a very inconvenient location, I've never used it. > Had a cruise device on my old Suzuki that had a thumb-flick lever to kick > it off, that was cool. > Missing a thumb? The problems I've had with the screw is backing it off. The push it foward part works great but hooking my thumb to spin it off is inconvenient. I've gotten better with use and a quick drag of the side of my hand against the screw releases it along with some deceleration. > > Watch out for the April bugs and keep the squeegie handy. > > No need for a squeegie. My windscreen is low so I don't have to look thru > it. Any bug that dies on my faceshied is a good source of emergency protien > *lick*. > Been there. GW Parkway in the summer. The black fly population is quite large. I walked in to the 7/11 on Rt 1 with lots of black specks on my face :-) > Bill Have fun! Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 26 10:51:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QFpYie012733; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:51:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QFpWTA012723; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:51:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 1, 0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Circles - debrief. Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:51:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h2QFpVie012706 Leon Begeman wrote: > --- Kirk Roy wrote: > > For another perspective, here's a pic from the > > circles event 3 or 4 years ago: > > http://users.vei.net/kirk/mc/kirkcircles1.jpg > > Didn't that yellow bike get leaned over about 45 > degrees farther than that a couple of times that day? > I seem to remember it was a Honda Hawk that did that > on the large figure 8 a couple of times. > > That's the problem with getting old, I can remember a > lot of stuff, I just can't get many of the details > right. I'm afraid you are correct, sir! I had just put on a freebie tire (actually, I got a whole front wheel with this tire on it) which was one size too big (going from a 110 to a 120). At the farthest lean angles the tire was simply pinched too much such that it would suddenly go to a very minimal contact patch when leaned over a bunch. I spent much of the day scrubbing the tire in and getting comfortable with it. It seemed to be fine so I kept pushing it more and more a little bit at a time. Well, I found out just how bad an idea it is to run a tire that way when it simply went out from under me. Later in the day Collin wanted to try the bike out and ended up doing the same thing (not that I didn't warn him of the tire issue but, being a VERY comfortable and confident rider, he found the limit of the improperly sized tire pretty quickly). Thankfully, this was in a parking lot and the Hawk "crashes well". I learned the tire lesson that day and have not repeated (and have also managed to avoid falling down on the street in over 100K miles, knock on wood). Strange thing is that I know of people who've raced Hawks using 120 tires on stock front wheels without having this problem... That was the only thing that made me somewhat comfortable with using it. Oh well, lesson learned. I did wear that tire out but avoided leaning it over quite so much again. Thanks for bringing this up! :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 26 10:54:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QFsMie014723; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:54:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QFsMHp014715; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:54:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030326155415.43178.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:54:15 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Florida or bust! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I kinda think these are a mixed blessing. Good when you get it > adjusted > right, but, I found that adjustment is different for highway than it > is for > not. They seem to adjust only in one direction too.. Mine slips slowly. I've mastered the technique of sliding my hand a bit right, moving it back up a little higher than I want and waiting for it to slowly rotate around. wash, rinse, repeat. The rocker never moved at all on the nighthawk and Trident so must be a slightly defective unit or a smaller diameter grip on the zr-7. Likely the latter. To reposition at speed just roll away from you. ===== "Communism has killed 100 million people. So yeah, let's give it another chance!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 26 11:23:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QGNJie018767; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:23:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QGNJGQ018757; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:23:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:37:24 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Florida or bust! In-Reply-To: <20030326155415.43178.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, matthew patton wrote: > Mine slips slowly. I've mastered the technique of sliding my hand a bit > right, moving it back up a little higher than I want and waiting for it > to slowly rotate around. wash, rinse, repeat. The rocker never moved at > all on the nighthawk and Trident so must be a slightly defective unit > or a smaller diameter grip on the zr-7. Likely the latter. To > reposition at speed just roll away from you. I use a Throttlemeister. I love the way it works and you can't even tell it's there when looking at the bike. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 26 12:38:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QHcYie024930; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:38:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QHcX68024919; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:38:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030326173830.80089.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Florida or bust! To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I use a Throttlemeister. I love the way it works > and you can't even tell > it's there when looking at the bike. Throttlemeister isn't an option for me. It just isn't right to have a throttle lock that's worth more than the bike it's mounted on. I use JCWhitney grips. Part 01ZX0920Y $8.49 if you don't wait for them to show up on sale. The really nice expensive way to go is to buy the Audiovox electronic cruise control that's also available from JCWhitney. I've got one of those on my big comfy touring bike (ZX6) Part 81ZX0344U for $109.95 It also shows up on sale once in a while. If you use it on a bike, you'll need a vacuum reservoir, talk to the Concours guys if you don't want to send JCWhitney additional money for that. Leon. Leon. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 26 15:41:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QKfoie030001; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:41:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QKfoOt029991; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:41:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030326204147.31216.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:41:47 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Busted! re: Gerlach Routing question To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles Cc: Begeman Leon In-Reply-To: <3E812138.319F9162@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Behold! Proo